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April 17, 2018 - Knowledge Fight
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#151: April 16, 2018

April 16, 2018’s Knowledge Fight dissects Alex Jones’ erratic Trump criticism—screaming "sucking on a ding-dong"—and his apocalyptic retreat fantasies, dismissed as cult-like. Guests like Paul Craig Roberts (pro-Russian economist) and Steve Pieczenik (sketchy painter) fuel bizarre claims: "globalist" cell research, Assad’s fake London asylum, and Trump’s alleged "flip." Jones’ shifting loyalties—from anti-Trump to pro—mirror Russian media narratives, while hosts mock his paranoia, like downplaying Cohen’s raid despite its relevance. His fear of suppression overpowers logic, exposing a pattern of fringe alignment over coherent analysis. [Automatically generated summary]

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alex jones
infowars 09:16
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dan friesen
43:58
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jordan holmes
25:53
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paul craig roberts
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Speaker Time Text
alex jones
Andy and Tanzos, you're on the air.
Thanks for holding.
unidentified
Hello, Alex.
I'm a first-time caller.
I'm a huge fan.
I love your work.
alex jones
I love you.
dan friesen
Hey, everybody.
Welcome back to Knowledge Fight.
I'm Dan.
alex jones
I'm Jordan.
dan friesen
We're a couple dudes like to sit around, drink novelty beverages, and talk a little bit about Alex Jones.
jordan holmes
Indeed, we are.
Dan, Dan, how do you do?
Dan.
dan friesen
Yes, sir.
I got beard hair stuck on my mic.
This is a disaster.
Anyway, sorry, go ahead.
jordan holmes
You know a lot about beard hair stuck in my mic.
dan friesen
I do.
You don't know much about it.
jordan holmes
Not anymore.
dan friesen
You smooth five o'clock shadow looking motherfucker.
jordan holmes
Not since I sheared it off.
dan friesen
Indeed.
I also know a lot about Alex Jones.
jordan holmes
I don't know anything about Alex Jones.
dan friesen
Hey, how's that?
jordan holmes
There we go.
dan friesen
Guys, today we've got an interesting show for you.
We're going to be going over Monday, April 16th in the life of Alex Jones.
But before we do that, we've got to give a shout-out to a couple of our new donors.
unidentified
Oh, shit!
dan friesen
What's going on out there, Ian?
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
dan friesen
Congratulations on becoming a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
It's amazing to me that you've only won the few Oscars that you have, Mr. McCallan.
dan friesen
Oh, okay.
I thought you were going to.
jordan holmes
Has he won an Oscar?
He has to have, right?
dan friesen
Got to feel like he has, but I bet he hasn't.
jordan holmes
He might not have.
dan friesen
Could be one of those massive lifelong snub jobs.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah.
He'll wind up getting like, what is it? Career Oscar or whatever, whatever Al Pacino got for the sense of a woman.
dan friesen
I predict in the chat room that people are just like, he's run seven.
You guys are idiots.
Someone who's not.
jordan holmes
I know Gandalf didn't win him an Oscar.
dan friesen
Certainly didn't.
But someone who does deserve an Oscar is our other donor.
What's going on out there, Elizabeth?
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
dan friesen
Thank you so much.
jordan holmes
Wonderful.
Thank you very much, Elizabeth.
If you would like to become a policy, Elizabeth Hurley, you look amazing for your age.
dan friesen
She does.
jordan holmes
You're gorgeous.
dan friesen
Wonderful woman.
jordan holmes
With a nice little British accent.
dan friesen
If you'd like to become a policy wonk, too, you can do so by going to our website, knowledgefight.com, clicking the Support the Show button.
I'd like to say there's a number of people who donated since Alex Jones turned on Trump.
And we appreciate it so much.
jordan holmes
We assume they'll be canceling their donations immediately.
dan friesen
I have no idea why that rallied the troops, but man, I appreciate it.
We are shockingly close to making this work for me, like living-wise.
jordan holmes
Really?
dan friesen
Yeah, we are getting ever closer.
And everyone, I appreciate it so much.
If you would like to donate, we would appreciate it.
It goes towards survival.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
It goes towards food.
dan friesen
Yeah, more or less.
jordan holmes
And to a lesser extent, cigarettes.
dan friesen
And rent.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's a big one.
dan friesen
So last we spoke, Jordan.
jordan holmes
Yes.
Last time.
dan friesen
We did an emergency episode that came out on Saturday.
And on that episode, we experienced Alex Jones telling Donald Trump that he is shit on his shoe.
He is not as big a man as Alex Jones.
jordan holmes
Not just that, but he's got some shit up his dirty, hairy asshole.
dan friesen
And it's ISIS.
jordan holmes
It's ISIS.
dan friesen
I believe so.
The other choice quotes were fuck Trump and fuck everybody.
jordan holmes
That's a good one.
That's a good one.
dan friesen
He was in.
jordan holmes
You fucking piece of shit.
Fucking fuck you.
dan friesen
He was in a real bad state on Friday night.
Let's check in how he's doing on Monday.
alex jones
I still, that Trump.
I just flipped out.
dan friesen
All right.
Okay.
unidentified
You're so fucking boring!
dan friesen
This is so frustrating.
jordan holmes
You had ISIS up his dirty asshole.
That's your jump.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
That's where you jump off.
How do you go back to somebody with ISIS up their dirty asshole?
dan friesen
Man, this.
We were talking before the show, and I told you that there was a reason why I've been down in the dumps.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
And I didn't want to explain it to you until we got on air.
And this is fucking why.
This is so lame.
jordan holmes
This is so lame.
dan friesen
We had this possibility laying in front of us of like a complete narrative shift.
jordan holmes
Right.
unidentified
We have like, oh my God, the world was our oyster.
dan friesen
After this year and a half of watching him just be a boot-licking jerk.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
We could finally see.
And I don't think that there.
Look, I don't know.
I've heard some people in our Facebook group who are speculating of like a return to the Alex of the past.
Let me be the first to tell you, there is no redemption.
Oh, no, there is no redemption story I'm holding out hope for, but I want something different.
jordan holmes
I mean, he's still a white nationalist at the end of the day.
dan friesen
Exactly.
And he has been.
jordan holmes
Trump is just not his white nationalist anymore, or wasn't.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
And now he is again.
dan friesen
Pathetic.
I wanted something different.
I wanted a new flavor to experience instead of this shit on a shingle he's been feeding me for all this time.
jordan holmes
He had such an opportunity.
It's so disappointing.
It's weird for me to say to a white nationalist, garbage, fucking Trump-loving pila of shit that I'm disappointed in you.
dan friesen
I'm pretty disappointed.
jordan holmes
I'm pretty disappointed in you.
dan friesen
And as much fun as...
jordan holmes
I'm not mad.
I'm disappointed in you, child.
dan friesen
As much fun as we had with him freaking out drunkenly on air, I still thought it was petulant and stupid.
jordan holmes
Of course.
dan friesen
But at the same time, you're like, come on, dude.
Ride this momentum.
jordan holmes
I know.
dan friesen
Ride it.
jordan holmes
It would have been awesome.
dan friesen
You know what, though?
I don't know.
I can't figure out exactly what the situation is because Roger Stone's not on this episode.
And I don't know if he got a call from him or something.
jordan holmes
Money.
I mean, his moneybackers were like, no.
dan friesen
I think it's not.
I think that he's still holding out some like, you saw what I could do there.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
And I can do that again.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
All it takes is a little bit of jack, and I'm going to do that to you again.
Because a lot of the coverage of it was like, how stupid is Trump?
He's lost Alex Jones.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
You know, that sort of thing.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
So Trump took a little bit of a hit.
I think.
jordan holmes
No, he didn't.
He still doesn't know who Alex Jones is.
dan friesen
I think in the online world, he took a little bit of a hit, and he probably – I think that there was a possibility – I don't know.
You're right.
What am I fucking talking about?
jordan holmes
I have no idea who Alex Jones is.
dan friesen
The only person who took a hit from that was Alex because he realized, oh, shit, no one else likes me anymore except for Trump fans.
What am I going to do?
He's the best I've got.
Rand Paul is not electable, even if you went back to him.
Ted Cruz is a disaster.
You can't go back to him.
jordan holmes
Ooh, he's the Zodiac killer.
dan friesen
There's literally nobody else on the global scene that Alex could shift and be behind.
All he could do is go solo again like he had for a long time.
unidentified
Right.
jordan holmes
When he was poorer.
dan friesen
Exactly.
jordan holmes
Money.
dan friesen
Exactly.
jordan holmes
Money.
dan friesen
All of that fan base.
jordan holmes
Money.
dan friesen
All that fan base would go away with him.
But I do think, here's what's interesting.
He is back more or less being like...
jordan holmes
In the saddle again.
dan friesen
He's going to ride.
I do think that he's cucked himself out a little bit by going back.
But he's also, I think everyone who doesn't actually listen to Alex Jones' show is missing out on the larger narrative.
And that is, I think Alex Jones is about to lose his goddamn mind and turn this into an actual cult.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Like, he's gone so close to towing the line of Infowars being a cult.
And listen to this first clip.
I think it's the introduction of, like, things are not good.
alex jones
Most children out there can't even hold conversations.
I mean, society is collapsing, ladies and gentlemen.
And it's going to get a lot worse.
We need rehabs from cell phones.
We need rehabs from internet.
We need rehabs from television.
We need rehabs from the culture.
I'm telling you, if I had the money, I'd set up resorts with no TV, no radio, no newspapers, no telephones, and with trade guns.
Frisbee, and swimming pools, and volleyball, and high sleep with underneath.
It'd be the biggest hits in the world.
That's what people need.
I know they've got some of these people, people, Forest Bay, and they bought these little places, little cabins.
It's got to happen, folks.
We are dying.
dan friesen
Well, I mean.
jordan holmes
Did he get one of the beach boys to help him out?
Is he living with one of that guys?
dan friesen
Like, legitimately, how quick would that turn dark?
Oh, Alex Jones running a series of communes where you're not allowed to watch TV.
You can't have access to the outside world.
jordan holmes
No phones.
dan friesen
Right.
All we do is go swim.
jordan holmes
He's essentially talking about Dr. Kellogg.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Like, that's what he's like, we're going to go swim.
You get two enemas a day.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
All we eat is this bullshit.
dan friesen
Yeah, he might as well be.
Like, this is like, I think, and this isn't the only time he brings up these sorts of weird fantasies.
And now, granted, in the Secret of 2017 episode that we listened to, he did start crying and talking about how we all belong on farmhouses.
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
So that sort of thing is inside his consciousness already.
But this is a different wrinkle to it because he's saying, I don't even think no matter what you do, you can make it in this world.
I think we got to go to the woods or whatever.
And it's going to get worse.
jordan holmes
And I am the Unibomber.
They got the wrong guy.
It's me.
dan friesen
That's why.
jordan holmes
Unabomber.
dan friesen
That's why Alex.
jordan holmes
Check out my manifesto.
dan friesen
That's why Alex thinks that the only thing in that Bill Joy article, Why the Future Doesn't Need Us, is the Unibomber quote.
unidentified
Right, right.
dan friesen
So proud of it.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Hey, I fucking wrote that.
No, there's no way he could be the Unabomber.
That was eloquently written.
dan friesen
Yeah, Alex is illiterate.
So at this point, you know, we've got this, like, we've got to go to the woods kind of narrative beginning, which is not great.
jordan holmes
We've got to go to the woods.
dan friesen
And I don't disagree.
I feel that way sometimes.
jordan holmes
No, I totally get it.
dan friesen
I just don't want a commune.
I want to be alone in the woods.
I don't want a cult.
jordan holmes
Could you also get a good, could you get a good massage at Alex Jones' resort?
dan friesen
Probably.
Let me tell you, I've only got one massage in my life, and I'll say I'm not for them.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I've never rated.
Never gotten one.
dan friesen
I had one time I threw out my back, and at the time I was a member of a gym.
I had a masseuse there.
unidentified
Okay.
dan friesen
And so I went and got a massage, and it was a comedy of errors.
It was just because I was coming in as like a 32-year-old dude.
I'd never gotten a massage before.
jordan holmes
So this was last year.
dan friesen
Like two years ago.
I didn't know what protocol was or anything.
Should I get naked?
unidentified
Right, right.
dan friesen
What do I do?
jordan holmes
Do I jump in?
Do we talk a little bit first?
dan friesen
How do I tip?
Well, you know, like all of that, all the formulas.
jordan holmes
With the tip.
dan friesen
All right.
It was all just so weird.
Anyway, speaking of weird things, the other thing Alex Jones needs to do is like, I got to go back to my bread and butter.
I got to go back to what made me, and that is chimeras.
alex jones
Suddenly, you can go have a new humanoid made grown in a tank.
They'll say, oh, it's proprietary.
You can't see it.
The tank is a brainless cow.
And this is classified, but I got this from classified sources.
Most of this is already public, but they have brainless cows.
All they have is a brainstem.
So they quote, don't go through any pain.
That's called the tank, and it's all in an enclosure.
And then the tanks grow the humanoids.
jordan holmes
I believe they're called the Benny Tyler.
alex jones
And they harvest the humanoids.
unidentified
In case you are a Fort Herbert fan.
alex jones
And by the way, that's in all the literature, but the part about science fiction is the best.
jordan holmes
And they call them a douche.
alex jones
They admit they're growing him in God.
The new thing is they're going to call them tanks.
So no one even tells you that there's a cow in there doing this.
dan friesen
Okay.
All right, Alex.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Yeah, that's literally, that's literally Dune.
He's just describing Dune.
He just read Dune.
dan friesen
This is one of my least favorite things about Alex Jones: this is classified, that sort of thing.
Well, now I can't look into this, but I can tell you that everything that is on the record about chimeras and you know, like growing organs inside pigs and stuff like that does not involve brainless animal tanks.
jordan holmes
Well, now that part is slightly unrealistic.
Let me ask you a question.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Is he really just kind of insulting like women?
Was it cow like a euphemism?
dan friesen
He's talking about literal cows.
jordan holmes
Literal cows?
Literal brainless cows.
How could you grow a humanoid in a brainless cow?
dan friesen
You put them in there.
unidentified
That's it?
alex jones
I don't know.
dan friesen
It's classified.
jordan holmes
Did you just cram them in?
dan friesen
I can't fucking look into it.
It's classified.
jordan holmes
Now I just have an image of a guy with a little egg and he's just like, get in there, you piece of shit.
dan friesen
Right.
The science behind growing organs in animals and stuff like that that have slight human genes in them for the purposes of growing organs that could be transplanted into other people is really fascinating, but it's not that.
It's not that.
jordan holmes
No, it ain't.
dan friesen
I will say, if that is going on, that's troubling.
jordan holmes
Troubling, if true.
dan friesen
I would like to see that classified information, Alex, because I'm going to be honest.
jordan holmes
I would like to see that.
dan friesen
So Alex is clearly also, like we played in that intro clip, he's waffling on Trump, but he speaks a little more on it in this next clip.
Like, where are his allegiances?
alex jones
I've wanted to support President Trump in that I know he's an anti-globalist.
I know the globalists hate him.
I know the power structure doesn't like him because he actually wants to be the president.
dan friesen
Trump literally said, I am a globalist.
jordan holmes
Let me ask you a question, Dan.
What also happened today in regards to Trump and quote-unquote hating the globalists hating him?
dan friesen
Is this the TPP situation?
unidentified
No.
dan friesen
Oh.
jordan holmes
It is that he paused all the sanctions on Russia.
dan friesen
Oh, yeah, there's that.
jordan holmes
Nikki Haley announced the Trump was like, nah, dude, we don't mess with Russia for any reason ever.
dan friesen
Yeah, I read an article in The Hill about that, and I'm willing to believe that Nikki Haley might have announced something prematurely.
I'm willing to believe that possibility, but at the same time, why wouldn't you do that, Trump?
jordan holmes
It's a good question.
dan friesen
I don't know.
It's weird.
Anyway, Alex, you know, Trump is anti-globalist.
Sure, though.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
Though all of these things, and him saying, I'm a globalist.
alex jones
Yeah.
I know he's done some basic things that are good for the economy and the country.
jordan holmes
Like a bitch.
alex jones
But if he starts going sideways to their agenda, it's the global awakening to what's happening and nationalism and populism that I am loyal to, not Trump.
And I'm not thinking Trump's even a bad guy.
He's surrounded.
He's being demonized.
He's being persecuted.
He's being lied about.
He's being pressured.
And there's the old trap of, sir, here's the intelligence.
Okay, bomb it.
My approval rating will go up.
dan friesen
That's not good.
If your guy is that stupid.
jordan holmes
God damn it, Alex.
You got it.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
You figured that shit out.
How are you so stupid on everything else?
It makes perfect sense.
That's exactly why he bombed shit.
dan friesen
He's too busy thinking about these brainless cows.
jordan holmes
The last time he bombed something, Brian Williams sucked his dick.
dan friesen
Yep.
Yep.
jordan holmes
That's how it works.
dan friesen
And now you can get that going again.
You can go for a second ride.
jordan holmes
Oh, absolutely.
dan friesen
As it were.
jordan holmes
And everybody in government has always been itching to kind of get some of that, get their rocks off with bombs and shit.
So even shit Democrats are going to support it, and they're going to be like, he's really tough on Syria and blah, blah, blah.
While at the same time, doing fuck all.
dan friesen
But now let's consider too, like, what he's talking about there as he says, my allegiances and my loyalty lies with the populist nationalist movements around the world.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
If we count those down on one hand, we got Putin.
We got Maureen Le Pen.
jordan holmes
She's great.
dan friesen
We got Geert Wilders in the Netherlands.
jordan holmes
Fantastic.
dan friesen
Those are the only people he seems to ever bring up as populist nationalist folk.
jordan holmes
Well, he's a big fan of Nigel Farage, too, right?
dan friesen
True, true.
Brexit.
Yep.
jordan holmes
Do we have any of the populist nationalists in Africa?
unidentified
No.
jordan holmes
Does he ever bring those up?
unidentified
No.
jordan holmes
I mean, except for the white ones in South Africa.
dan friesen
Sure, the Sweetlanders.
Yeah, he does bring them up.
jordan holmes
Does he even know where South America is?
dan friesen
Does he know what populism is code for?
Does he know what nationalism is code for?
I think he does.
jordan holmes
I think he knows what nationalism means.
I don't think he – nobody should ever use the word populism.
It's so infuriating to me because it's a non-word that people use to describe anything where it seems like, oh, yeah, people are angry about this.
It's fucking stupid.
People are stupid.
dan friesen
I don't disagree with you.
jordan holmes
So is Brian Williams.
I'm pissed off at Brian Williams.
dan friesen
Sure, Brian Williams sucks.
He's a fucking allegiances are to this nationalist movement worldwide, and it's like, well, all those people are proto-fascists.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
So if that's what you're into worldwide, boy, I'll tell you what.
jordan holmes
Proto?
dan friesen
Well, or aspiring, because most of them lost.
jordan holmes
Aspiring.
dan friesen
Most of them lost their elections.
You can be a fascist as a civilian, and it's fine.
jordan holmes
Listen, Maureen, you can be anything you want to be when you grow up.
I want to be a fascist.
unidentified
Fuck!
jordan holmes
God damn it!
dan friesen
That's not what her dad would say.
jordan holmes
No, no, no.
She was at school.
dan friesen
Oh, I was assuming it was.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
She was at a wonderful French private school where they were absolutely appalled at her behavior.
dan friesen
Right, right.
Yeah.
Something that is appalling again.
I can't do the transitions today.
jordan holmes
You're going to be okay.
dan friesen
We started earlier in the show talking about Alex wanting to go to the woods, wanting this to be like, and this is where he gets back to it, and it's more troubling than the last clip.
alex jones
But I got to tell you, I don't think you can save your family, and I don't think you can save yourself at this point being amongst people that are like this.
I think I'm discovering the same thing that the pilgrims figured out in England and in the Netherlands 450 years ago.
jordan holmes
Whatever you're about to say.
alex jones
I think I'm figuring out the same thing other people figured out when they involved themselves in an exodus.
jordan holmes
Super wrong.
alex jones
The Israelites out of Egypt, you name it.
What?
jordan holmes
Where are we going?
alex jones
I don't think you can live in this modern world and even homeschool your kids and get out of this.
jordan holmes
Don't do that.
alex jones
In fact, there's nowhere to hide, actually.
It's absolute cancer.
And it is the end of humanity.
And it's already got his tentacles all around our throats.
dan friesen
Whoa.
jordan holmes
That's pretty apocalyptic.
dan friesen
That's pretty apocalyptic cultie right there.
The world is ending.
We just can't talk anymore.
Everyone needs to get off electronics.
We've got to go to Alex Jones-branded resorts around the world.
It's impossible to make it through life with these liberals all around you.
jordan holmes
All the rest.
dan friesen
Even if you homeschool your kids, there's no way you can't do that.
jordan holmes
Which when you shouldn't homeschool your kids.
dan friesen
I, Alex Jones, am like a pilgrim, which is inaccurate reading of the pilgrim's history.
jordan holmes
Or actually, perhaps very accurate because he is a fucking asshole who is absolutely a religious supremacist as well.
So, of course, we want to kick him out and make him go to somewhere else.
dan friesen
But then you get the Israelites in Egypt, and it's like, are you enslaved, bro?
Hey, bro.
Hey, bro.
jordan holmes
The liberals did it?
dan friesen
That metaphor might be lacking a tiny bit.
jordan holmes
It might be wrong.
Wait, where the anybody, anybody who's done an Exodus, that's his, that's his reference book.
I mean, he's what's your favorite Exodus?
dan friesen
Ah, the book.
I don't know.
unidentified
The book?
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
It was the Israelites, I guess.
jordan holmes
It wasn't that great.
It was kind of boring.
They just wandered for 40 years.
dan friesen
I like that, though.
It's not about the destination, it's about the journey.
I will say that I think he's probably pretty close to pitching himself as a modern-day Socrates.
I think we might be close to that.
jordan holmes
Oh, can we make him poison himself?
dan friesen
Well, to be fair, if you go and read it, deserve that.
jordan holmes
Yeah, well, and not even that.
It was more like they were like, hey, please leave.
Please leave.
If you don't leave, we have to make you drink poison.
We don't want you to.
dan friesen
Right.
He had all his buddies come and be like, we got a boat for you.
Let's just leave.
jordan holmes
Yeah, let's just go, man.
Let's have an Exodus.
unidentified
Oh, I'm going to exodus.
jordan holmes
That would become one of Alex Jones' favorite Exodes.
Exod deceased?
dan friesen
He got found guilty, and then the Boule was just like, hey, you can choose your own punishment.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
And he's like, I think you guys should feed me for the rest of my life.
All right, we're killing you.
jordan holmes
All right, you're an asshole.
dan friesen
Yeah, you suck.
jordan holmes
You're a dick.
dan friesen
Yeah.
That's one of the things that I've always been fascinated by about Socrates is people thinking he was kind of just a questioner that was like, hey, I just like to provoke thought and whatever.
Like, no, he was an asshole.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
He was a straight-up asshole.
jordan holmes
He was more like they talk about the Socratic method as being like, you ask questions and bring people to their own understanding.
And it's more like the guy who's like, oh, yeah, well, what do you think about that?
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Oh, yeah, well, what do you think about that?
dan friesen
That tone hadn't developed yet.
jordan holmes
Yeah, exactly.
dan friesen
That sarcastic voice.
So we covered it in nauseating detail, the Friday episode where he turned on Trump.
Here's his take on it on Monday.
alex jones
Oh, no.
And I apologize to some of the audience that saw one of the live feeds.
It wasn't over the satellites, the TV stations, but I had it here in studio for being angry and being a bit vulgar.
dan friesen
He's talking about the Twitter clips that we heard of him screaming and stuff like that.
He doesn't apologize for the Trump has ISIS up his dirty ass.
jordan holmes
I was going to say, I feel like he should apologize to ISIS.
dan friesen
Or screaming obscenity to the point where Owen Schroer had to remind him we're out of delay.
alex jones
I try to control myself a lot.
And it feels good to let yourself have an outburst occasionally.
It's cathartic.
Sure.
jordan holmes
I had a teacher.
alex jones
Was it fake?
Absolutely not.
But did I let the dog out the chain?
Yes.
jordan holmes
Who?
dan friesen
Nonk.
alex jones
Because if they can start to turn Trump one degree, they can turn him 180 degrees.
dan friesen
That's also not great to say about your guy.
alex jones
Yeah.
dan friesen
That means compromise is impossible.
jordan holmes
Here's essentially what he just said.
If you turn Trump one degree, he is weak and pathetic and will go all the way easily.
There's no like Trump is going to meet you halfway.
There's either you get a little bit of a break in that armor, and then you get all of it.
dan friesen
Yeah, there is no, there is no possibility.
Like what he's saying is to a great degree is my boy can't govern.
alex jones
No.
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
Now, absolutely not.
He can strong arm.
He can be a dictator, but your boy can't govern.
jordan holmes
Well, also, he can be very weak-willed and callo.
dan friesen
Oh, yeah.
jordan holmes
He's got that.
dan friesen
Chat room's reminding me he also didn't apologize for screaming about sucking on a ding-dong.
jordan holmes
Well, there's nothing to apologize there for.
dan friesen
Oh, bad.
jordan holmes
There's no apology.
dan friesen
Insinuating that Roger Stone was a beard.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
I mean, Roger Stone, Roger Stone, fucks.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So the international community is largely of the mind that the gassing that took place in Syria was done by Assad or Assad's forces.
jordan holmes
It absolutely was.
dan friesen
I think our position, I like our position a bit in terms of there might have been oversight on it.
There might not have been.
Who knows?
Those answers are impossible to know, really.
jordan holmes
All kinds of stuff.
I feel like a lot of people discount the fact that everybody is kind of shitty at their jobs one day of the week.
dan friesen
That's one of the expression, the fog of war exists.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
And they were just probably, like, frankly, it's entirely possible that the people in the helicopter who were dropping those bombs or the plane or whatever were just like, oh, shit, we labeled these wrong fuck.
dan friesen
I think that's too easy and out.
jordan holmes
It is too.
No, no, no.
Why are they in the plane in the first place?
You know, that kind of thing.
dan friesen
But be that as it may, there's also stories.
jordan holmes
But on the other hand, the first rule of Syrian Boy Scouts is be prepared to drop chemical weapons.
dan friesen
Why not?
There's also a story that was coming out today, I believe it was today.
It might have been yesterday.
I'm not entirely sure.
But about Russia blocking investigators from looking at the sites.
jordan holmes
I can't imagine why.
dan friesen
And that's certainly very confusing.
jordan holmes
Is it because they also helped cover up the sites themselves?
dan friesen
It does look that way.
jordan holmes
I could.
dan friesen
But Alex, in the middle of the show, accidentally reads an anti-Russian headline about the Syrian situation, and here's how he deals with it.
alex jones
A new breaking article.
Let's put that on screen because I've been showing what the Russians are saying, but I want to show what.
Syria strike live updates.
Russia may have tamper with chemical attack sites.
U.S. envoy says, yeah, they wouldn't let him in the day of the bombing because the road was closed.
So now the U.S. envoy saying the British group trying to go and test for chemicals might have been blocked.
That's Harach saying that.
dan friesen
Okay.
The road was blocked.
unidentified
That's a stunning dismissal.
jordan holmes
A lot of war-torn countries, you're like, oh, man, if this two-lane road is blocked, guess we're done.
dan friesen
Seems like that would be a very different story because that's really easy to saus out.
unidentified
Road was blocked.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
Hey, that happens.
dan friesen
Very different than being stopped from.
jordan holmes
Oh, it's like when I'm on the red line and they're like, there's going to be delays because there was a chemical weapons attack at Chicago and State.
And it's like, oh, again.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
I know.
dan friesen
You can't avoid it.
It's a real pain in the ass in this Chicago commute.
unidentified
I know.
jordan holmes
It's like an extra 12 minutes.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So I mentioned to you up top that Roger Stone is nowhere to be found.
I don't know what he's doing.
He might be hiding out.
Escaping.
It's entirely possible.
So Alex has got to get some other folks in to fill out the show.
And so he has Gerald Salenti on.
It's kind of boring.
It's a continuation of the Joel Skousen appearance from Friday.
jordan holmes
Tell me I'm a good boy.
dan friesen
Yeah.
There is stuff like where Gerald Salenti is like, you didn't do anything wrong?
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
If Trump went bad, it's not your fault.
jordan holmes
Oh, no.
dan friesen
He did that, not you.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah.
unidentified
No big deal.
jordan holmes
You did good.
You did good.
And look, I like that you're supporting him again, too.
You know what?
You go back.
dan friesen
I think Gerald Salenti is actually 50-50 on it.
unidentified
Really?
dan friesen
He doesn't seem to have, like, he just wants to talk about trends and money markets and stuff like that.
jordan holmes
Of course.
dan friesen
He's more interested in that.
So I don't even think he's.
jordan holmes
I want to talk to the InfoWar staffer who watched that video and then the next day was like, oh, shit, I'm going to get to do some exciting shit now.
And then has to go into work on Monday.
dan friesen
I don't think even Monday, because he put out a video on Saturday and his Sunday show also just being like, ah.
alex jones
Meh.
dan friesen
I have no backbone.
jordan holmes
I will give into anything.
I'm so weak.
dan friesen
So weak.
Low energy.
jordan holmes
Oh, yeah.
dan friesen
Actually, he's pretty high energy.
That's not the criticism I can give him.
jordan holmes
Still sad and pathetic.
dan friesen
So the other guest that he has on here on Monday's show is a gentleman by the name of Paul Craig Roberts.
Paul Craig Roberts worked in Reagan's Treasury Department.
I believe he was an undersecretary in the Treasury Department.
Okay.
And we'll get into some other troubling pieces of his history, but here is a clip.
jordan holmes
So once again, to reiterate how bad Reagan's administration was, eventually half of them show up on the InfoWars show.
dan friesen
Exactly.
Here's a clip of him talking about how Russia is great, I think.
paul craig roberts
He's clearly under attack, or has been, from the military security complex because of his original statement that he would normalize relations with Russia.
That statement was a huge threat to the budget and the power of the military security complex, and that's where Russia gave and all the other false accusations that have been used against Trump to force him into a militarist position.
dan friesen
Okay.
That's something.
jordan holmes
You know, that's actually a really good thought.
I mean, it's dumb in the way that he's dumb.
But it is kind of an interesting thought.
Whenever you take in how many hard-right Russia hawks there are, wherein they're just like, we fucking loved the Cold War.
dan friesen
He's our national security advisor right now.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it seemed awesome when we were fighting the Cold War.
All kinds of good shit happened, right?
So let's just keep on doing that.
It's way better than fighting these Middle East wars.
See, those cost a shit ton of money.
dan friesen
This is another piece of the equation that we haven't really discussed nearly as much, and that is that Bolton is also a kind of anti-Russia hawk guy.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
So his introduction into the fold probably has to creep out Alex a little bit now.
Like I don't think he was worried before because he had Roger telling him he's an apparatchik and shit like that before.
But now I think he's got to be worried about that.
And he does say a couple of things about Bolton being like, fuck this guy.
He's been in for a week and now we're bombing.
jordan holmes
Right.
Now, the other take on that is Bolton is actually the janitor from the Looney Tunes cartoons.
dan friesen
It's possible.
If you recall.
I think that's one of his early early rules.
jordan holmes
That was back when his mustache was still a little darker gray.
dan friesen
So the other thing that we need to take into account, I think is important, is that Paul Craig Roberts has written for Sputnik and Russia Insider since at least 2014.
jordan holmes
Also, tough to find a blogging gig, man.
dan friesen
Since 2016, he's written for Alexander Dugan's think tanks website, Katehon.
jordan holmes
Is Dugan hiring?
dan friesen
I think he's got a full staff, and they all mysteriously pop up on Alex Jones' show giving narratives that all are mysteriously pro-Russia.
jordan holmes
It's a coincidence.
dan friesen
So here's some of the articles that he's written for Sputnik.
Will Putin realize that Russia holds all the cards?
Washington is destroying the world.
American government cannot be trusted to tell the truth.
Washington is defaming Vladimir Putin.
Putin calls out Washington.
Privatization is the Atlanticist strategy to attack Russia.
Just in that headline, we have the Atlantis versus Eurasian.
You have the Eurasianism narrative coming in, even just in that headline.
So he's buying into that divide.
jordan holmes
Just based on the headlines, I would give him a 500-batting average for stuff that makes sense.
dan friesen
Well, here's some more.
jordan holmes
Like, hey, Dan, you can't trust the American government to tell the truth.
dan friesen
Right, but it's different.
jordan holmes
It's just a true thing.
dan friesen
It's different when you're saying that on a podcast or like apropos of nothing, just making a statement, and when you're doing it on Sputnik, when you're writing an article on it, do it right now.
This podcast would be over if you did that.
jordan holmes
Why?
dan friesen
Because I would be very opposed to that.
I'd be very opposed if you did that on MSNBC.
NPR.
jordan holmes
NPR?
dan friesen
Well, I was trying to think of like.
jordan holmes
I feel like if I said you can't trust the American government on NPR, I would, well, one, not be allowed on NPR.
I'm too loud.
dan friesen
We'd get some ratings.
jordan holmes
Very loud.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
And two, they'd be like.
dan friesen
I think that there's a difference between places that are legit state-run media and places that aren't.
I think there is.
Although we're fastly approaching a time where it's not.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I was going to say.
Also, the only real state-run media is Fox News at this point.
dan friesen
Like in America?
jordan holmes
Or maybe the only government that's run by media is ours.
dan friesen
Because NPR, beyond listener funding, has grants and endowments from the government and stuff like that.
You know, there is like Voice of America and shit like that.
jordan holmes
Right, but the state clearly isn't using NPR as their mouthpiece.
Nope.
And it seems like there is a pretty solid Fox News control over the entire government.
When the president watches Fox and Friends and is like, those are some good policy ideas, we're not in a good place.
dan friesen
So here's some more headlines that Paul Craig Roberts has written for Russian media.
jordan holmes
Steve Doocy's great.
dan friesen
America has no unifying moral culture.
It will lose a war with Russia.
Will Russia wake up?
The West seeks its destruction.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
So it seems like he kind of is a Russia guy.
jordan holmes
A lot of apocalyptic people.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Everybody's really apocalyptic lately.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
I can't imagine why.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Also, interesting.
jordan holmes
If you believe in the pre-Trib rapture, I think now's the time to let it go.
I think Trib is kind of happening.
I think that's in play.
dan friesen
Why don't you go get a Timeshare at one of Alex's resources?
I might.
jordan holmes
You know, I've heard timeshares are great investments.
dan friesen
Indeed.
I've heard that on Timeshare commercials.
The thing that I'm taking away from this is that you've got Paul Craig Roberts coming in and telling Alex, you know, like, more or less, Russia is a good guy.
They're the good actors here, which Alex already believes anyway.
And they talk about, they talk more or less just like that's the driving point.
And then when you look into his past, he's written for Russian publications incredibly anti-American things for a very long time.
And it's weird.
It's fucking weird.
I mean, it's definitely not a trend we have not seen on InfoWars.
jordan holmes
It is one of those things where somehow it is far more effective to have a guest on that just echoes the shit that you've already said so you can echo it back to them.
Right.
It's kind of almost a peer pressure kind of situation.
dan friesen
It's no coincidence that he's here now.
jordan holmes
Right.
Oh, no, of course.
unidentified
Of course.
dan friesen
Call PCR.
We need some of that good old Russia didn't do it, Juju.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
You can do that, or you can call Shaggy.
dan friesen
Those are Russian Shaggy.
It wasn't me.
But I saw you with the cylinder.
It wasn't me.
jordan holmes
Try and do that in a Russian accent.
dan friesen
I saw you gassing your own people.
It wasn't me.
jordan holmes
In my country, people gass you.
All right.
dan friesen
I almost met him one night.
jordan holmes
Oh, yeah.
dan friesen
Yakov Smirdoff.
jordan holmes
You did?
What were you in Nashville?
dan friesen
No, we were in Springfield.
Our friend Tyler Snodgrass is friends with Yakov.
He used to write jokes for him back before he moved to Chicago.
jordan holmes
Why did I not know this about Tyler Snodger?
dan friesen
I hope that's not private information.
jordan holmes
Have we not?
Yeah.
dan friesen
He's talked about it.
I'm sure.
But we did a show at the Blue Room in Springfield, I believe.
I believe that's the name of the place.
And Yakov came out to the show because Tyler was a little bit more.
Of course he did.
And it was embarrassing just watching people want to come talk to Yakov Smirnoff.
Nothing against him.
He's a legend in the game.
jordan holmes
I guess.
dan friesen
He's a legend.
But at the same time, I was like, I don't want to fucking go get in a crowd to talk to Yakov Smirnov.
I felt very weird about just being a fanboy for Yakov.
jordan holmes
Well, are you a fanboy for Yakov?
dan friesen
I respect him.
I don't like his comedy, but I respect him.
unidentified
Right.
jordan holmes
I would like to see you in a picture with Yakov Smirnoff with his arm around your shoulder giving you the thumbs up.
dan friesen
If we could go back and do it all over again, I would like that to exist.
But I'm glad I didn't betray my principles by going over.
jordan holmes
Yeah, we could never do this show if you've got a Yakov Smirnov connection.
That's Russia.
That's pro-Russia all the way.
dan friesen
Absolutely.
jordan holmes
Where is he from?
I don't think it's Russia.
dan friesen
Yakov?
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
I think he is.
jordan holmes
You think he's Russia?
dan friesen
I don't know.
He certainly acts like it.
jordan holmes
It's interesting.
dan friesen
Interesting.
I never thought to look into it.
jordan holmes
I never thought to.
I want to say that he was from part of the former Soviet Union, but he wasn't actually from mainland Russia.
dan friesen
The timeline matches up.
That's entirely possible.
So at this point in the show, he also brings in the man, the myth, Dr. Steve Pieczenik.
unidentified
Ooh, where's Dr. Steve landing?
dan friesen
He's just like, he just wants Alex to shut up, kind of, I think.
jordan holmes
All right, I like it.
dan friesen
I think he's sort of like, I know you had to have your outburst, but like, stop it.
I think at this point, Steve is kind of sick of Alex's shit.
Yeah.
I think he wants him backing Trump because that's the easiest status quo for him to defend.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
And it gives Steve a good footing.
Because I think Steve realizes that without Alex Jones, his credibility goes away, too.
Because he's not on anyone else's show.
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
What does he have, then?
A blog?
jordan holmes
Yeah, but what else is Steve?
Like, how old is Steve?
dan friesen
I'd put him at 60-something.
jordan holmes
Yeah, so this is.
dan friesen
He's a healthy 60.
jordan holmes
This is really Steve's last game.
Like, if at any point in time, if InfoWars dries up, he's got 20 years ahead of him.
No, no, no, but he's not in any kind of media form.
No.
If he's not involved with InfoWars and he can't roll with the punches, if Alex changes the narrative, Steve isn't rolling with it.
dan friesen
I think he could.
unidentified
Oh, yeah?
dan friesen
I think he could.
Yeah, I think he could.
But he would be the one.
He would work it in such a way that he's leading the horse.
You know what I mean?
Like, he'd be able to manipulate Alex.
Okay.
Whatever Alex's next wrinkle will be probably Steve Pieczenik masterminded.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
I mean, we've seen this already.
jordan holmes
I'm not disagreeing with you.
I'm just seeing.
dan friesen
I've seen Steve manipulate him so easily.
jordan holmes
Well, I mean, it's not hard.
dan friesen
No.
The two of them kind of fight a little bit because it's just sort of a like, you know, they're neither of the no one's in a good place post-Friday.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
You know, I'm not.
unidentified
I'm not.
dan friesen
Alex isn't, and Pieczenik isn't either.
jordan holmes
It's going to take a week before everybody just lets everybody.
dan friesen
Before we get back to normal.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Pieczenik isn't thrilled because it's an embarrassing thing to be associated with.
Alex isn't in a good place because he realizes can't get that off the internet.
Nope.
And boy, I really need to go back into the Trump camp.
jordan holmes
Ooh, boy, howdy.
dan friesen
Yep, that's embarrassing.
jordan holmes
My bread just got less buttered.
dan friesen
And so they just sort of talk about that.
It's not a very interesting interview.
But one thing that I think is incredibly interesting is that Steve has opened up a new finishing school.
No, that would be fascinating.
That would be fascinating.
They're at every single one of Alex's resorts.
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
Steve Pieczenik School for Ladies.
jordan holmes
I assume you have to balance a book on your head.
I hear that.
dan friesen
There's Cotillion classes.
jordan holmes
Oh, yeah, absolutely.
dan friesen
He creates debutantes.
Right.
jordan holmes
Who call their mothers regularly?
dan friesen
No, that is not.
So what we have is that Steve Pieczenik is appearing with a painting behind him.
And the painting.
The painting has.
jordan holmes
How's our boy?
dan friesen
I don't know.
I watched him a while back, and I don't.
I don't know.
I don't know.
jordan holmes
Is he okay?
dan friesen
Yeah.
Oh, okay.
I was worrying.
I'm seeing people talking about the suffix tard being attached to words.
Now that's not cool.
I agree with it, but I was worried that we had said something.
jordan holmes
No, I don't know.
dan friesen
There's something in the chat.
I got very scared that we had been assholes.
But be that as it may.
I got to stop saying that.
Yeah.
So Steve appears with a painting behind him that is heavily breasted.
There's titties.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
It is just a slightly pornographic image of a guy coming down, some sort of figure grabbing a woman with her breasts out, and it's incredibly weird.
And they don't bring it up for the first segment that Steve is on.
jordan holmes
I'm guessing Steve had to pose for a long time for them to make that portrait.
dan friesen
Steve absolutely did this on purpose.
jordan holmes
He did this on purpose.
dan friesen
He's broadcasting in front of a fucking painting that's square behind him with huge titties on it.
He did that on purpose for sure.
Absolutely.
jordan holmes
All right.
Was he also broadcasting from an 80s car wash?
dan friesen
No.
jordan holmes
Set up to save the rec center?
dan friesen
Nope.
This is his office.
unidentified
Okay.
dan friesen
So Alex finally brings it up, and I think it's invalidating on a number of levels.
alex jones
And then they're just always going after Trump, and then there's nothing there.
So now it's his lawyer, and now it's some other Republican paid a million and six to some woman.
Who cares, man?
It's crazy.
jordan holmes
It's corruption.
alex jones
Well, this art.
Let me analyze it.
Last Friday's Pachinik was on.
He doesn't normally have this grotesque deviant art up here.
And I couldn't really analyze it.
I didn't think to analyze it.
I saw it was like military folks that looked like vampire bats out doing something or maybe showing how the evil of war has corrected the human soul.
But this one, this one, I'm going to describe it right now.
That's a Lucifer figure up there at the top that you really can't see that has wings that are satellite solar panels showing it's like the artificial god in the sky that Lucifer wants to be this technocracy.
You've got the U.S. military and people that are patriots trying to lift up the Mary Earth Goddess Christ figure image that's been struck down by Lucifer and his whole system.
And it shows the struggle between these two archetypes there.
So I would call this the fruit of Lucifer is the name of this art piece.
dan friesen
So the reason that.
jordan holmes
Oh, my God.
Alex the art critic?
Fuck, I want to go to a museum with Alex.
I want to go to a museum with Alex so bad.
dan friesen
That would be great.
He'd be very angry.
jordan holmes
Alex, you are invited to the MoMA in Chicago.
Please.
dan friesen
Oh, that'd be great.
jordan holmes
We will talk about nothing but art.
dan friesen
There's got to be a museum down in Austin.
We can invite him to all right now.
jordan holmes
Oh, of course.
dan friesen
Steve corrects him and tells him what the art is actually about.
But the thing that I think is more important is that this presentation from Alex, because you can even hear him say this satanic deviant art in a joking way.
Right.
And then he explains what he sees there, and he says the end of it, it's the fruit of Satan.
jordan holmes
You know, because women.
dan friesen
He doesn't care that Steve Pieczenik has weird art, but that's what he screams about all the time with John Podesta.
jordan holmes
That he has weird art.
dan friesen
Right.
But that means some sort of, oh, some he's sick in the head.
He's got this deviant art all around.
jordan holmes
What is DeviantArt?
dan friesen
It's anything that Alex thinks is weird.
jordan holmes
I know it when I see it.
dan friesen
Yeah, exactly.
It's like porno.
Yeah.
But like, this is key.
I think Steve Pieczenik broadcasted in front of that painting in the middle.
jordan holmes
Just to fuck with Alex's head.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Or not to fuck with his head, but to like.
That ruins his argument about John Podesta.
That whole thing goes away.
jordan holmes
Pieczenik does not care about Podesta.
dan friesen
I think he's subtly trying to undercut a bunch of, and maybe this is fantasy booking on my part.
jordan holmes
Yeah, this is you acting as Alex the art critic.
dan friesen
But his behavior, like Steve Pieczenik very clearly, intentionally broadcasted in front of that picture because he broadcasts in front of a bunch of different things.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
Like that one day he broadcasts in front of a flowchart of hip-hop artists.
You know, like he broadcasts in front of things.
jordan holmes
It's true.
dan friesen
It's not like.
jordan holmes
He does tend to have a little bit of fun.
dan friesen
It's not like a riddle, but he has a like, oh, I'm going to broadcast from here with this behind me today.
He's doing that.
I think.
Here's my theory.
And again, I have nothing to back this up.
I think the next six months, what we're going to see out of Steve Pieczenik is one by one providing evidence why everything Alex Jones has stood for has been bullshit.
unidentified
Okay.
dan friesen
But you have to pay attention every single time.
jordan holmes
Steve Pieczenik is all about Easter eggs.
unidentified
Exactly.
That's what he's doing.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Next episode, he's going to be eating Greek yogurt.
jordan holmes
That would be fantastic.
dan friesen
That's what I think is happening.
It's probably not.
And I'm just bored sitting here in the satellite of love, basically watching this shit.
Very nice.
I like to believe.
I like to believe that Steve Pieczenik is doing something interesting.
He's probably not.
jordan holmes
Now, looking at this sculpture, we can see that this woman has large breasts, but no arms.
I assume that's a God removing the arms of women for having breasts.
dan friesen
What if Steve Pieczenik, a couple episodes from now, has like Loréjean de Monde behind him?
That big painting of a world coming out of a pussy.
unidentified
Or what if he has that skull covered in semen?
Oh, man, if he was just holding it the whole time.
jordan holmes
If he had turned it into a chalice, it was just flavor-flaving it the whole time.
unidentified
Or love it.
dan friesen
Or.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
It's just behind him, and he never mentions it.
That would be pretty amazing.
jordan holmes
There's a weird sheen, so you know, there's something fresh on top of it.
dan friesen
Charlie Sheen?
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Okay.
jordan holmes
No, I was talking about the light reflecting off of it.
Oh, I think it's in a very evocative way.
dan friesen
So this next clip deals with a little bit of difference.
Like we're in this no-man's land of I love hate Trump.
You know, there's a Schrodinger's Trump going on in this clip.
Alex is sort of expressing that Trump is good.
alex jones
Trump is good.
Because the Globalists legitimately hate him.
It's not a fake.
It's not a feint.
It's not a game.
It's not a smoking mirror.
And he's not perfect, and I don't expect him to get everything done.
That's right.
But he knows all about Syria.
He knows all about the rebels being sent in by the globalists.
He knows he told McMaster, no, we're not toppling Assad.
Assad's already agreed to leave.
He wants to.
He just grew up in England.
He doesn't want to be there.
He said, stabilize and have elections.
I'm gone.
They've almost killed him.
jordan holmes
Happens all the time with dictatorships.
alex jones
I heard bombs go off within hundreds of yards of him.
Last time I read, like over 50 times.
dan friesen
That sounds like someone bragging about their dad telling a not-true story.
unidentified
Yeah.
My dad could be a little bit more.
alex jones
Is he a child growing up in London?
Once out of there?
No.
So it's just incredible.
We're being sabotaged.
And you know, when I talk about Hillary and people, here's the thing: the bottom's falling out.
I don't know exactly what's going on.
dan friesen
You could just stop there.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that would be a great, that would be a great sentence to end with the period.
dan friesen
And now is the time for Larry Nichols to come back.
He's not on the show, but now is the time.
jordan holmes
You've got to bring back Larry Nicks.
dan friesen
Because this narrative is weak.
He needs to get away from it.
All of this, he needs to do what all of the right-wing media does and be like, nah.
If things don't look good, hey, what else have we not said about Hillary?
jordan holmes
Yeah, let's pretend like that's exactly what Fox News did for Hannity, where they were like, oh, it appears that Hannity was mentioned in the Cohen.
What else is going on?
What else is in the news?
How are you guys feeling about?
Yeah.
dan friesen
But the Hillary jump is what they need to do, and who better than Mr. Blackmailing Congress himself?
jordan holmes
How's that going?
Did he win?
Boy.
dan friesen
He has not been on since we did that episode.
Really?
Yeah.
I didn't even realize that until the other day.
jordan holmes
That is fantastic.
dan friesen
He has not been on Alex Jones' show, to the best of my knowledge.
And I listen every day since he blackmailed Congress on it.
jordan holmes
I'm sure there is a coincidence of some sort.
dan friesen
Right, because he's faking me.
jordan holmes
I will be goddamned if that isn't hilarious.
dan friesen
It does feel like there might be a connection between that, like, oh, hey, you did commit a felony on air.
And no one's listening.
jordan holmes
I would prefer it.
dan friesen
No one's listening to Dan and Jordan, but they did point it out.
jordan holmes
I would prefer it if it was.
Was it our episode or was it his episode?
dan friesen
What do you mean?
jordan holmes
The last time Larry Nichols was on.
unidentified
Both.
dan friesen
Both.
We put our episode out right after he had blackmailed Congress.
jordan holmes
Did we?
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
He was that close?
Yeah, I thought we took a while.
unidentified
No.
jordan holmes
I thought it was like a few weeks.
unidentified
No.
jordan holmes
No, it was like right after.
dan friesen
That was a present day thing.
Oh, that's true.
jordan holmes
You're right.
That's fantastic.
Oh, did we torpedo Larry Nichols' InfoWars career?
That would go on my resume immediately.
dan friesen
Step to us.
We put Larry Nichols on the bench.
jordan holmes
Dude, now this is a whole new world for us.
Let's get the contact info for all of these fucks.
dan friesen
Oh, yeah.
jordan holmes
Oh, let's call Steve.
Let's call Steve Pageno.
dan friesen
Oh, no.
I do know what you're saying.
I didn't realize that you were asking the episode where we talked to Larry Nichols or the episode that we brought up that he had blackmailed Congress.
Those were about a week apart.
unidentified
Okay.
dan friesen
But yes.
unidentified
Okay.
dan friesen
I apologize.
I did not understand what you mean.
Yeah, we do need to call these fools.
jordan holmes
Oh, man.
We could destroy InfoWars.
dan friesen
Oh, shit.
jordan holmes
It turns out we have more power than we've ever imagined, Dan.
dan friesen
Yeah, yeah, for sure.
jordan holmes
If we can torpedo a guy like Larry Nichols' career, I mean, that was ascending.
He was at the height.
dan friesen
Again, not necessarily torpedoing, but we put him on the bench.
Get out of here with you.
jordan holmes
Oh, man.
The moment he comes back on, if we're going to call him the next day, right?
dan friesen
Well, I mean, the next time he's on, it's got to be about how, like, nah, the caliphate is still being built.
jordan holmes
Yeah, of course.
unidentified
I know it's been a year and a half and nothing has happened.
Now, I know that Linda Bloodworth Thomas is a witch.
jordan holmes
She is a witch.
dan friesen
All right, Larry.
Witch.
unidentified
Witches.
dan friesen
So in this next clip.
Witches.
Trump is good.
Globalists are bad.
Assad wants to go to London.
I mean, I think there's a really easy way for this to play out.
Assad could say anything like that.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Azad could just go to London.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
He could.
Actually, no, he fucking couldn't, Dan.
There's no way that London.
There's no way that the UK is letting Assad in.
Just like, oh, your passport is fine.
Stamp.
Come on in.
No.
dan friesen
No, no, no.
But if this shit is true, there's a way to negotiate all of the stuff that, like...
jordan holmes
Oh, in like a week.
dan friesen
Yeah, all of this would be very easy to work out for him.
unidentified
Absolutely.
dan friesen
If he's just like, look, I've just been fighting these bad guys this whole time.
I don't want to be a dictator.
I'm in a bad situation.
I want to get out of it.
Even if it's not London, he could get asylum in some other country.
He could just flee and just be like, look, this has gotten out of control.
I don't want to be a part of it anymore.
Or he could, I don't know.
There's a whole lot of other actions he could take.
And that's the whole thing about this stupid idea of the Russians, Assad, and our government or our military behind our government's back made this deal.
Putin has no reason not to say that happened.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Why not?
dan friesen
At this point.
jordan holmes
Fucking throw it out there.
dan friesen
At this point, if he's already saying the United States they don't follow through with their word and stuff like that, you're already halfway there.
Just come out and validate Alex's argument.
jordan holmes
That'd be fun.
dan friesen
Why not?
I mean, I wouldn't believe him, but if he.
jordan holmes
That would be hilarious.
If Putin just came out and was like, dude, we negotiated the secret deal behind the government's back with the American military to get rid of Assad, and now they're backing out, that would be the best news day ever.
dan friesen
And if it's true, you know he has evidence.
jordan holmes
Oh, yeah.
dan friesen
He's a KGB officer.
He doesn't enter into a tripartite agreement behind the president of a country's back without some sort of corroborating evidence.
jordan holmes
There's a recording of everything that Trump has ever said to Putin.
dan friesen
No, no, no, because this isn't Trump.
This is the heroes in our military.
jordan holmes
Trump is just following through with everything that Stalin has ever said to anyone.
Except for, of course, the oligarchs with whom he would prefer recordings not exist.
dan friesen
Right.
So in this next clip, we learn about one of the reasons that the globalists are really bad.
alex jones
I know the globalist pushy population, and I know they're doing all sorts of stuff behind the scenes and testing things on us, trying to find cures for diseases for themselves.
The best way to do that is hit people with stuff that's lethal, and then you find a very small percentage that are resistant.
One quick way to research just one small faction of that or one factor point is immortal cell lines, Lazarus genes, things like that, which are real.
jordan holmes
What do you think about the stand?
alex jones
The archetypes are zombies, but it's not at that level.
But it is, once you can get it at the building blocks, there are cells that are zombies.
jordan holmes
Which ones?
alex jones
They don't need oxygen.
They don't need anything.
You have to kill them with a blowtorch.
jordan holmes
Cells?
unidentified
Whoa.
alex jones
They can't kill the cells.
They're still alive today.
You put them on fresh flesh.
They start replicating.
So the globalists are all obsessed with this while we're watching football and basketball.
And I get it.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
unidentified
Yep.
jordan holmes
It's that.
dan friesen
Boy, I'll tell you what.
That's fun.
They're zombie cells, buddy.
jordan holmes
Is he referencing the one woman's genetic material that was Henrietta Lacks as well?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
She died of cancer on October 4th, 1951.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
And she had a very interesting mutation that made her cells immortal.
By that, it does not mean that there's some sort of immortality that can be granted by them.
When you talk about cellular immortality, what that means is that it will constantly split.
It will always split more.
As opposed to a lot of cells, they have this thing called senescence, which is a termination point of their splitting.
They'll just keep splitting to a point, and that's when they can no longer go through meiosis.
jordan holmes
I believe it's also an evanescence.
dan friesen
I think it's a mitosis, I believe.
Because it's not a sexual cell.
It's not like a sperm or whatever.
But so, yeah, I mean, Alex is talking about a kind of real thing, but at the same time, he's really stupid about it.
jordan holmes
Explain to me so they can't be killed except for with a blowtorch?
dan friesen
Well, that's probably just from the living dead or walking dead.
jordan holmes
I was going to say, what do you mean?
There's so many other things that replicate a blowtorch.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Why a blowtorch specifically?
dan friesen
Well, I don't know.
I think that's just his fantasy coming through.
The thing is that these cells are because they don't stop dividing or they can't consistently be divided, they're perfect for research.
Yeah, of course.
And so, hey, spoiler alert, they were why Jonas Salk was able to make the polio vaccine.
Right.
You know, there's things like that from.
jordan holmes
The fact that they took them and hid them without ever acknowledging that they were taken from her or giving her any kind of recognition or anything like that.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly.
Yeah.
That is a big issue there.
dan friesen
No, it is.
It is.
But also, they do make a decent, I don't know if it's decent.
I don't really understand the rights issues enough.
They took them after she was dead, and it was like discarded tissue.
And so there is an argument that has been made by these researchers, and I believe it's held up in court, that you don't have necessarily possession rights after your death of discarded material.
And it came from a tumor that would have been removed from her.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
That sort of thing.
So it's really murky territory that I don't know how to unpack.
I don't like it, but I also get it.
jordan holmes
All I understand from that is weird.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Weird.
dan friesen
And Jonas Salk.
jordan holmes
All of the elements to that are like, huh.
dan friesen
For Alex's stupid bullshit about like they just want to create cures for themselves, not for us.
Do you have polio asshole?
jordan holmes
He actually does.
dan friesen
No, he doesn't.
jordan holmes
Yeah, he does.
dan friesen
You think he does the show and then just immediately runs to an iron log?
jordan holmes
No, absolutely.
He's been in a wheelchair for six years.
People don't know that.
dan friesen
I've seen him stand up.
jordan holmes
Well, people saw FDR stand up too, Dan.
dan friesen
That's a fair point.
That's a fair, fair fair point.
jordan holmes
Is it a fair point?
dan friesen
Nope, that's why I said it three times.
jordan holmes
Like witches?
dan friesen
Witches.
jordan holmes
Witches.
dan friesen
The reality of these immortal cells and the Lazarus cells and stuff like that are really interesting because there are a couple of strains of them that they've been able to find, but they're literally nothing like Alex.
jordan holmes
Yeah, because the telomeres don't break down or whatever it is along those lines.
dan friesen
It's just another brainless cow tanks kind of like he relies on.
jordan holmes
God, I want brainless cow tanks now.
dan friesen
He relies on the fact that his audience is not conversant in science at all and doesn't understand.
jordan holmes
Because they are absolutely not.
dan friesen
No, and to a certain extent, I mean, maybe we're conversant, but not very smart about it.
jordan holmes
We're the type of people who are conversant in science insofar as we know just enough to get ourselves to say something stupid about it.
dan friesen
If you gave me a week, I could explain this fully, but I don't care to.
jordan holmes
We could research it and understand what we were researching to a point, but there would be no reason for us to explain it.
dan friesen
No.
So on Friday, Alex Jones lost his mind and screamed about ISIS being up Trump's dirty asshole.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
But he doesn't address that?
dan friesen
He doesn't.
We covered that, but we failed to cover one thing, I believe, I don't think we talked about it, that Art Bell passed away.
unidentified
Yes.
dan friesen
Art Bell did pass away.
The OG from Coast to Coast AM.
Right.
Complete weirdo.
Crazy dude.
But also made one of the most interesting radio shows ever to exist.
I know you don't know much about Coast to Coast AM, but it was a big part of my love of AM talk radio growing up.
Actually, it was on FM in Columbia, but I loved the format of talk radio, and one of the reasons was because of Coast to Coast AM.
Now, granted.
jordan holmes
I've always been more of a Joe Frank weirdo kind of guy.
dan friesen
What does that mean?
jordan holmes
You don't know who Joe Frank is?
dan friesen
No.
jordan holmes
He did weirdo monologues.
dan friesen
No, I'm not into it.
jordan holmes
He was very fascinating.
dan friesen
I'm not into it.
jordan holmes
Check out Joe Frank.
You would be shocked by it.
dan friesen
See, what I liked about Coast to Coast AM was it had this brilliant I don't know if it's brilliant, but it was a great structure wherein Art Bell or George Norrie would talk about something really crazy and stupid.
Often aliens, ghosts, that sort of shit.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
Sometimes conspiracy stuff.
And then they'd just take calls.
And the callers would be as crazy, but they'd just be like, yep, you bet.
You bet.
jordan holmes
You bet.
Right.
dan friesen
Kind of thing.
jordan holmes
And it was this.
They were Carrie Callahan without the anti-Semitism.
dan friesen
Yeah, not overt anyway.
I'm not sure.
I'm not sure because I hate George Norrie's politics, and he's good friends with Alex Jones.
jordan holmes
He's probably an anti-Semite.
dan friesen
But I am sad that he's dead, inasmuch as it's the passing of a radio legend.
Now, granted, when we did that episode about that Project Camelot episode about Courtney Brown, the remote viewer, Art Bell was hosting when he allowed Courtney Brown to come on and precipitate the events that would lead to the Heaven's Gate killing themselves.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
Not 9-11.
jordan holmes
Oh, not 9-11?
Never mind.
dan friesen
And so, like, he had some fucking problems.
There are problems, but he was a great broadcaster.
And rest in peace, Art Bell.
jordan holmes
Wait a second.
Courtney Brown precipitated the Heaven's Gate?
dan friesen
We did a whole episode about that.
jordan holmes
I know, but I really don't understand that.
Still.
dan friesen
Courtney Brown remote-viewed an object that was trailing the Hailbop comet, and that's where that entire narrative goes.
jordan holmes
That's right.
No, I forgot that that was whenever What's His Face's wife died, and then he got all weird about it.
The Heaven's Gate cult.
dan friesen
Marshall Applewhite?
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
It wasn't his wife.
That was his cult partner.
jordan holmes
All right, fine.
dan friesen
But that was his common law wife.
jordan holmes
But anyways, I'm sorry.
unidentified
Time is different.
jordan holmes
I apologize for derailing that.
dan friesen
So, Art Bell, rest in peace.
Also, Harry Anderson died today.
We miss him.
Glad we still got Bull.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Wait, is Bull dead?
I was really sorry that Harry and the Hendersons died, too.
dan friesen
Come on.
jordan holmes
Was that it?
dan friesen
I'm not making a joke here.
I did love Harry Anderson when I was younger.
I loved Nightcourt.
It was a great show.
jordan holmes
Wait, Harry Anderson died?
dan friesen
Yeah, he died today.
jordan holmes
From Nightcourt?
dan friesen
Yeah, very sad.
jordan holmes
He wasn't that old, though, right?
dan friesen
60-something.
I don't know.
I didn't look too deeply into it, but the article I read said no foul play was suspected, probably a heart attack or something.
jordan holmes
Oh, man.
The Nightcourt reunion on what was it, 30 Rock, or was it news radio?
dan friesen
No, it wasn't on news radio.
jordan holmes
It wasn't on news radio.
dan friesen
It was 30 Rock, right?
Must have been.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
So anyway, this has all just been a way of dancing around that Alex Jones brings up Art Bell in this next clip.
alex jones
Art Bell one of the slickest, best talk show hosts when it came to just really being so focused and so professional.
He was just a real talent, one of the greatest ever.
And I even saw the media try to time me to him in some way to just get my name in the news and attack.
jordan holmes
Oh, that media.
alex jones
I was never on Art Bell's show.
dan friesen
This is not the media.
You know who tweeted about this?
Alex's ex-wife, Kelly.
Kelly tweeted that Alex got his start or one of his early pushes was from Art Bell.
jordan holmes
Really?
dan friesen
Alex is literally responding to her tweet by pretending that she's the media.
No one in the media reported that.
I've not seen any articles about that.
I've literally only seen her tweet about that.
So Alex, whenever he wants to lash out at things that Kelly is saying publicly about him, he just says it's the media.
Look at the media saying I was on Art Bell.
unidentified
Weird.
dan friesen
I believe he actually probably wasn't on Art Bell because the timeline doesn't quite match up.
He was on Coast to Coast all the not all the time, but he was on a bunch with George Norrie.
jordan holmes
Did he call Kelly the media in open court?
dan friesen
No, but he called her the media the other day when he was true when he's like the media's reporting that I was on Sinclair station.
And that was just Kelly again.
And I mean, we see it throughout the rest of this clip.
alex jones
For whatever reason, Art Bell didn't like me.
But you know what?
I like Art Bell, mysterious narrator of the American Nightscape, is dead at 72.
And I'll cover the other guy in the next segment.
But, see, if anything's in the news, the mainstream media attaches it like Sinclair was caught in fake news.
Oh, wow, regional news does that.
Jones worked for Sinclair.
Didn't.
jordan holmes
Ha!
alex jones
Art Bell dies.
Tie me to it.
Make it somehow.
I mean, it's like.
And it's not that it hurts me.
It actually makes the show bigger for us.
dan friesen
Okay.
You're just talking about your feud with your wife, or ex-wife.
This makes me very uncomfortable that I know what he's talking about.
I can see through this.
This is not the media.
These are specifically things that she has tweeted, and he's pretending it's the media.
It's very, very fucked up what he's doing on air.
Like, he's too much of a coward to just say, my wife, my ex-wife is saying stuff, and it's not true.
Here's the truth.
Because it does seem like it is the truth that Art Bell wouldn't have him on his show.
jordan holmes
Of course not.
Because he knows, like, I for whatever reason, every time somebody doesn't like him, he's probably like, ah, for whatever reason, they think I'm a piece of shit.
I can't imagine why.
dan friesen
Well, let him have it.
That's my position on that.
In this episode, we've seen Alex have kind of a weird back and forth with Trump.
You know, like, I'm still supporting him.
He's probably corrupted or whatever.
In this next clip, Alex says something that is a little bit, I mean, it's slightly familiar to us, but at the same time, it's like, if you think he's corrupted, you shouldn't want him to do this.
alex jones
If Trump doesn't move with the military, and I never want this, but we're already under a globalist coup.
If he doesn't move to just remove all those people and have the indictments and have the tribunals, then there's no hope.
And because we are overrun by a foreign globalist power, I appreciate your call.
And I'm not calling for that at this point.
dan friesen
You sound like you are.
jordan holmes
Sound a lot.
If he doesn't do this, well, I mean, we're all going to die.
I'm not calling for him to do this, but if he doesn't, we're all going to die.
I mean, it's just, it's like, no big deal if he doesn't, except we're all going to die.
dan friesen
So that's tough.
jordan holmes
I'm not calling for it.
dan friesen
That's a tough, weird line that he would never call for it.
That's a very, very tough, weird line.
The other thing.
jordan holmes
Wait, So Trump orders a military strike.
And then Alex loses his fucking mind.
And then he's like, well, I mean, obviously, if he doesn't agree with what the military wants to do.
dan friesen
No, He wants Trump to use the military to take out Obama, Clinton.
Like, he wants him to use them, the military, to take out his perceived enemies.
jordan holmes
So it's probably not.
He's just not.
Trump just didn't utilize the military in the correct direction.
dan friesen
He didn't use it for an internal coup and power grab.
Instead, he used it in a way that might piss off my good friends in Russia.
And that's what pisses him off.
jordan holmes
Okay.
All right.
That's not good.
Do you know?
Generally speaking, when an elected leader decides that it's a good idea to use the military to remove his enemies, usually.
dan friesen
There's a word for that.
jordan holmes
I am only taking literally every example of this occurring in the entirety of human history as my reference point.
But it doesn't go well for everybody.
dan friesen
I would say that I can think of zero examples of like, hey, everything calmed down.
It's like, oh, that's what we needed.
jordan holmes
Well, Julius Caesar did it and everything worked out fine.
Sure.
Let's see.
dan friesen
Alex has called Trump modern-day Caesar.
He said he's our Caesar.
jordan holmes
Chavez did it.
Everything worked out fine.
dan friesen
Great.
jordan holmes
Brazilian government did it for a long time.
Everything worked out fine.
dan friesen
Countless African countries.
jordan holmes
Oh, yeah.
No, no, no.
They worked out great.
dan friesen
Countless times in, I mean, just even throughout Europe.
jordan holmes
I mean, let's just talk about where the word dynasty originated.
Sure.
Which is when women throw glasses of wine at each other.
dan friesen
The more important thing is all of that is just QAnon shit.
jordan holmes
Really?
dan friesen
Yeah.
The idea that Trump is going to have military tribunals.
There's sealed indictments on all of these people already.
All this stuff.
It's all.
I mean, we saw this play out with all those other weirdos on Twitter about like at the beginning of the Mueller investigation.
We saw all those bogus ass accounts coming out and saying like there is 170 sealed indictments.
It's the same game being played just by the other side.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
The other side ostensibly, but they're not really on anything.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
The QAnon people are on the side of chaos.
dan friesen
Or nonsense even.
It's not even chaos.
unidentified
It's not.
jordan holmes
It's tricksterism.
dan friesen
Yeah.
It's interesting performance art.
jordan holmes
They are on the side of Loki.
dan friesen
It's possibly really interesting performance art, but it's doing a lot of damage.
jordan holmes
Right.
It tends to happen.
From time to time.
dan friesen
So he wants the military to get involved and get some tribunals going because he's heard people talk about that online.
And Jerome Coursey keeps saying that's what's going to happen.
jordan holmes
Has a tribunal ever been a good thing?
Have you ever heard of, oh, that tribunal really worked things out for us?
dan friesen
I was thinking of Desmond Tutu, but that was a commission.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
That was a truth and reconciliation commission.
I don't know about a tribunal.
jordan holmes
I'm not saying that some sort of larger democratic body is more effective or comes to better outcomes.
dan friesen
You're totally wrong.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
The show survivor.
jordan holmes
Was there a tribunal?
dan friesen
I thought that's what they called it.
Whenever they go to tribal council, they go to that.
jordan holmes
I thought a tribunal just meant three.
dan friesen
No, no, no.
Let's try a tripartite negotiation.
jordan holmes
So just tribunal means...
dan friesen
Yeah, a whole tribe.
unidentified
Oh!
Oh.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Somehow, that is a massive blind spot in my mind.
dan friesen
It was going to be a military tribunal.
It's just three people.
jordan holmes
For real?
Massive blind spot in my entire history.
I think I've always just heard the prefix try and was like, well, I can stop there.
dan friesen
There's a B after it that is.
jordan holmes
Yeah, don't like that.
Don't like that B.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So we have one more clip left.
jordan holmes
I prefer triunals.
dan friesen
Alex expresses that Trump is probably still good, but he's been flipped, which doesn't work, just from a logic standpoint.
And then he says stuff that makes me uncomfortable.
alex jones
I'll be honest, I'm mad at the American people, but I know they were born into all the Hollywood stuff and stuff like that.
Really bad stuff's going on on the planet.
And this country's been so screwed over, and our success that we've got left is so papered.
And to see Trump now getting sucked into things that fundamentally he was against when just a week before Cohen got raided, he was against it, shows me they flipped him.
We'll see if other stuff follows, but I'm really worried because they're not going to even let him limp along.
They want to destroy a nationalist.
They want to send a message.
And there's nationalism and stuff popping up all over the world.
That's the big positive.
They want to send a message, and I think they're going to try to track the president down.
And just like Hillary and all of them said, once they get him out, they're going to really target everybody.
And there's only so much people can take.
There's only so much people can take.
I mean, I'm not afraid of the globalists.
I'm afraid of my response.
And I'm not saying that Taktough, but we built info to counter these people.
And let me tell you something.
There's only so much people are going to take.
dan friesen
So that seems like.
jordan holmes
Oh, I'm calling for open rebellion.
dan friesen
I mean, it's so close.
jordan holmes
Open rebellion against who?
Also, fucking, at this fucking time, now, now, two years into this fucking bullshit, how can you possibly believe that Trump has any beliefs whatsoever other than Trump is great?
I like Trump.
Trump does not even have thoughts anymore.
It's just, hey, that guy said the same thing that I'm thinking, which is that Trump is great.
I love Trump.
What kind of fucking mental gymnastics does it take to imagine that that fucking guy has a belief system?
Why?
Why would you believe that?
How could you believe that?
The entire history of his life would decry that concept.
dan friesen
Roger is very smooth.
jordan holmes
He is pretty smooth.
dan friesen
That's what you got to understand.
jordan holmes
He is pretty smooth.
dan friesen
Alex really wants his approval.
jordan holmes
I mean, just think about it.
Daddy issues.
dan friesen
Think about it.
Look at this whole thing.
At the beginning of his presidency, he gets rid of the TPP.
Now, already, he's like, we should probably go back on that.
So that goes away.
jordan holmes
It makes my rich friends happy, and my rich friends, I want them to think I'm cool.
dan friesen
Alex is like, hey, he's an anti-globalist.
You know, six months ago, he said, I'm a globalist and a nationalist, but I'm a globalist.
jordan holmes
Yeah, but he was doing it because he's a nationalist globalist.
dan friesen
Alex keeps pretending that he's taking out pedophile networks, but there's no evidence of it.
And the stuff that we've gone over in the past is clearly these sort of annual sting operations that happen that have existed for years around the month, the Slavery and Human Trafficking Awareness Month.
It's operational.
jordan holmes
Which is such a weird concept.
dan friesen
Maybe you should focus on that every month.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I know, right?
Like, why are we, hey, it's February, so we're going to solve human trafficking this month and then let it go for the.
unidentified
It's weird.
jordan holmes
It's a weird, weird, weird thing.
dan friesen
Right, but every single one of his arguments is dismantled just by time existing.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
And like you go on long enough, and Trump himself will invalidate those things.
jordan holmes
Of course.
dan friesen
And now we have.
jordan holmes
That's the only thing he believes in.
dan friesen
And now we have this situation where Cohen's lawyer's office has been raided.
And Alex even himself is like, fuck, they probably got a lot on him.
jordan holmes
Oh, yeah.
dan friesen
Like, he even is like, oh, shit.
jordan holmes
Well, he even said, I mean, yeah, he paid off seven or eight women.
Sure, he's mobbed up.
You can't run casinos without being mobbed up.
Probably done a shit ton of money laundering.
dan friesen
Well, no, no, no.
You're missing the point.
You're missing the point.
So when we did that September, we started in September of 2015 or August of 2015.
We did the investigation.
We found that the beginning of Alex Jones' narrative with Trump, the beginning of his ride with him, was this guy owns casinos.
He's mobbed up.
He is a front man for a consortium on the East Coast.
If your name is Genovese, you go to prison.
If it's Trump, you don't.
Those sorts of things.
Like all of that, he's never not believed that.
This whole time, he knew that.
He pretended that wasn't true because it went counter to all of his other narratives.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
But the entire time he's known that was true.
And the fact that Cohen got his office raided, and there's obviously proof that's going to come out of a lot of this stuff, and Alex is piss scared about that.
He knows, like, now I cannot pretend that I didn't know that.
I have to be like, I didn't know that, but who cares?
It's no big deal.
It is a big deal.
It is a very big deal.
jordan holmes
Well, I mean, sure, some Republican backer paid $1.6 million to somebody, but who cares?
Who cares?
Sure, $130,000.
Who cares?
That's not even that much money.
Who cares?
dan friesen
There is a moment, I think it was on Sunday's show, where he's like, look, they went after Clinton because of these sex-related things, because that was relevant, but now this.
As he's saying the sentence, he can't get it out.
He can't get it out.
He can't explain why this is somehow like shit.
unidentified
I just don't understand why he didn't take the game.
jordan holmes
Like, he had the opportunity.
And not only that, because he clearly knows that some shit is going to come out, and the writing is on the fucking wall.
dan friesen
Well, here's why.
jordan holmes
Like, imagine Alex coming out.
dan friesen
I believe you don't get this already.
jordan holmes
No, I get it.
But the point is, like, if he came out now, then he's out in front and he gets to claim even more credibility because the Fox News fucks are going to get fucked over.
Like, they've been carrying water so hard for Trump and Hannity is fucking like they're all going to fucking be.
No, nothing's going to happen.
They're all going to be fine.
Fuck.
This whole system is fucked.
I want to move to the woods.
dan friesen
Well, I always do.
jordan holmes
Who's got a bunker?
dan friesen
Here's what you don't aren't taking into account, whether it's just forgetting about it or negligence or whatever.
Russia's not done with Trump yet.
And whatever situation exists between those entities, I have no fucking idea.
And I think there are a lot of people who are probably making a much bigger deal out of the Russia-Trump connection that may or may not exist.
And we talked about this pre-show, and I think it's really important that we bring this up on the show proper.
We are very convinced.
We're very clear that Alex Jones, whether it's because of some sort of compromising material, whether it's money, who knows?
It's one of those things.
jordan holmes
Or just fanboy is.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
Or he was compromised by flattery, any of those things.
He has some sort of allegiance to Russia that pre it's more important to him than other things.
Yes.
jordan holmes
And it predates Trump.
dan friesen
Yes, it does, which we clearly discovered on our 2015 stuff, and I'm discovering from even further back.
But the reason that he can waffle in all this is the same reason that Trump can say, I'm not going to enforce these sanctions on Russia.
That is what's important to Alex.
And whether it's because he is an intellectual purist and he actually believes that they're a nationalist country and that they're the hope of ending globalism or whatever, or if he knows that's bullshit and he knows that he's selling a line, that's what's going on.
That's why he can go back on it and be like, look, we need a Trump might be Trump might be flipping to the deep state, but we got to set this out.
Because there's still blood to be taken from this stone, as it were, you know, for all the parties involved.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I don't know.
I don't know.
They have to see some sort of writing on the wall.
There's got to be, look, all of the shit that's come out.
There's got to be some sort of awareness that this is going to crash.
Now, I suppose the only thing that I would say if you're Russia and you have this investment going on, regardless of whether or not, and like you said, we talked about this pre-show, regardless of whether or not Trump is aware of any collusion.
Collusion happened.
dan friesen
But whether it's a propaganda collusion or a collusion collusion is an open question.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
It wasn't, it's not, like, I'm not necessarily saying that they all got into a room together and said, we're going to get Trump elected.
It's more just perhaps just coinciding interests happening simultaneously.
dan friesen
That's possible.
jordan holmes
But it's like the only result of this is that Trump goes down, and the only reason that Russia would still be involved is because they think Trump is going to take America down with him.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
That's the only thing that makes sense to me right now.
dan friesen
And boy, that gamble is looking good.
jordan holmes
It's looking real good.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's a good point.
dan friesen
Anyway, we should go to the woods.
But before we do, check out our website.
jordan holmes
Yeah, go to knowledgemight.com.
dan friesen
We're on Twitter.
jordan holmes
You can follow us there.
dan friesen
Yep.
jordan holmes
What's our handle?
dan friesen
Knowledge underscore fight.
jordan holmes
What if you went to Facebook?
dan friesen
You can find us there.
We have a page and also a group.
Go home and tell your mother you're brilliant.
jordan holmes
You can absolutely subscribe to us on iTunes.
dan friesen
You can.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
This has been tough for me.
It was tough to summon the energy to do this, but I'm glad that.
jordan holmes
I know.
unidentified
You did great.
dan friesen
I'm glad we made it.
jordan holmes
You're having some depression issues, which I recognize and hope.
dan friesen
It'll be fine.
I just need a good night's sleep.
I'm going to go get a slice of pizza after the show and maybe play a little Zelda and try and get my head right.
jordan holmes
That's a good idea.
All of those things are great ideas.
dan friesen
They are great.
I feel like I've named the last two people or so.
I think it's your turn to.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I'm going to have to go with the word tribunal.
Go fuck yourself.
dan friesen
That's not fair.
jordan holmes
That's petty.
I'm just mad because somehow that has existed as a blind spot for a word guy.
I love words.
I'm a literature major, and somehow the word tribunal has escaped my knowledge.
That's infuriating.
dan friesen
I recognize that.
jordan holmes
I am going to be pissed off for weeks because of this.
dan friesen
I have to honor your wishes, but I do this under protest.
unidentified
All right.
All right.
alex jones
Andy in Kansas, you're on the air.
Thanks for holding.
unidentified
Hello, Alex.
I'm a first-time caller.
I'm a huge fan.
jordan holmes
I love your work.
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