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March 16, 2018 - Knowledge Fight
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#138: March 13-15, 2018

Today, Dan and Jordan get into the Week That Was on the Alex Jones Show. Most of it is terrible (code for Gavin McGinness), a little bit of it is hilarious (code for Alex's persecution complex). It's too much to listen to, but enjoy.

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alex jones
17:15
d
dan friesen
01:22:37
j
jordan holmes
44:49
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gavin mcinnes
03:35
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steve pieczenik
00:10
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Speaker Time Text
alex jones
Andy in Kansas, you're on the air.
Thanks for holding.
unidentified
Hello, Alex.
jordan holmes
I'm a first-time caller.
unidentified
I'm a huge fan.
jordan holmes
I love your work.
alex jones
I love you.
dan friesen
Hey, everybody.
Welcome back to Knowledge Fight.
I'm Dan.
jordan holmes
I'm Jordan.
dan friesen
We're a couple dudes who like to sit around, drink novelty beverages, and talk a little bit about Alex Jones.
jordan holmes
That is indeed what we do.
Dan.
dan friesen
Yes, sir.
jordan holmes
Dan.
dan friesen
Yes, sir.
jordan holmes
Dan.
dan friesen
Yes, sir.
Sir.
jordan holmes
Dan.
dan friesen
Sir.
jordan holmes
Do we have a hook?
dan friesen
We do.
It's that I know a lot about Alex Jones.
You don't know anything about him.
jordan holmes
I don't know anything about Alex Jones.
dan friesen
Today's novelty beverage is brought to us by the good people at Schlafly Brewery, a nice northeast IPA.
Love it.
St. Louis.
jordan holmes
This isn't associated with Phyllis Schlafly, is it?
unidentified
No.
dan friesen
St. Louis, Missouri's own Schlafly Brewery.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
I love St. Louis.
jordan holmes
Because I would immediately throw this out the window if it was associated with her.
And I bought it.
dan friesen
It is not.
You know how St. Louis I am?
jordan holmes
No!
dan friesen
You gotta ask my tattooist.
jordan holmes
I don't know how St. Louis you are.
dan friesen
Classic bitch.
Shout out Murphy Lee!
So, anyway, Jordan?
jordan holmes
Could you turn me up a little bit?
dan friesen
I can.
Turn up your cans.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much.
dan friesen
This is a podcast where we talk about Alex Jones.
We've got a really exciting show for you today.
Before we get into it, though, what I want to do is I want to say I realize that I've been a little bit lacking in some ways.
jordan holmes
You're supposed to talk to our donors first.
dan friesen
We don't have anybody to give a shout out to.
jordan holmes
You goddamn...
No, I'm just kidding.
dan friesen
We're caught up.
jordan holmes
That would be very funny if I was mad.
dan friesen
It would be very shitty.
jordan holmes
What an asshole!
dan friesen
We're caught up on the policy wonks at the moment, I believe.
jordan holmes
Fantastic!
dan friesen
If you'd like to become one, however, you can go to knowledgefight.com, click support the show.
We would appreciate it if you become a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
See, there you go.
dan friesen
But what I wanted to say is I have been really terrible about getting back to people who have emailed.
I apologize.
jordan holmes
Yes, that's something that everybody has said.
You know, Dan, you don't work hard enough.
That's what all of our fans think.
dan friesen
I'm feeling very bad and self-conscious about it in terms of keeping up with communiques, and I'm going to get back to everybody as quickly as I can.
But one of the reasons that I had not...
jordan holmes
You can forward some of these emails on to me.
I can probably...
dan friesen
Well, see, I've got to get to what's going on here.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
One of the reasons that I had not gotten back to a lot of these people is because it was Avengers Initiative-related emails.
jordan holmes
Ah, there you go.
dan friesen
And we got caught up doing the endgame coverage at the same time.
I was waiting to be done with that, and then I forgot to get back to people, and I feel really shitty, but I want to make this clear.
Next episode, March Madness begins.
jordan holmes
The bracket begins.
dan friesen
The bracket of Alex Jones' sound effects begins next episode.
jordan holmes
I gotcha.
dan friesen
Coming out on Monday.
So everyone get excited for that, and I will do my best to respond to people's emails.
jordan holmes
Have we already recorded it that it's coming out on Monday?
dan friesen
No.
What?
jordan holmes
No, I'm just...
dan friesen
Are you going out of the country?
jordan holmes
I'm leaving you.
dan friesen
Are you fleeing?
jordan holmes
Forever.
dan friesen
Everybody.
Involved in all this stuff.
jordan holmes
I am going to be gone in two weeks, though.
I'm going to be gone for a week.
unidentified
Whole week.
dan friesen
This is going to be an off-air conversation.
We've got to figure this out.
Have you do another field report like you did from England?
jordan holmes
I think that's...
Yeah, that one was weird.
dan friesen
Before we had our sea layers.
jordan holmes
Oh, God.
dan friesen
So, Jordan, you might have to flee for a little bit.
I think Alex Jones might also be...
jordan holmes
Transition!
dan friesen
Everyone involved in Infowars is probably on the cusp of fleeing.
jordan holmes
It'd be a smart idea.
dan friesen
But their words would not indicate that.
Here's an out-of-context drop from today's show.
alex jones
I personally feel very, very strong.
dan friesen
That came out of nowhere.
jordan holmes
He personally feels very strong?
unidentified
I personally feel very strong.
Yes.
dan friesen
Long exhale.
jordan holmes
I personally...
unidentified
Oh, God.
jordan holmes
Oh, God.
Feel very strong.
dan friesen
So one of the things I want to do is when we do these episodes at the end of the week, I want to give you a fill-in of the week.
I want to do the week that was.
jordan holmes
Ooh, there you go.
We're doing some John Oliver shit right now.
dan friesen
Is that one of their segments?
jordan holmes
I don't know.
dan friesen
Okay.
Well, anyway, today we're going to be going over the last week.
The Alex Jones Show.
Okay.
Earlier this week, we covered Monday, so we don't need to talk about that, but we'll be going over the 13th, 14th, and 15th.
unidentified
Oh, shit.
jordan holmes
This is a really smart idea.
It only took us like a year and a half to do a weekend wrap-up.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Some would say it's obvious.
jordan holmes
Let me give it to you this way.
My ability to plan with you is non-existent.
dan friesen
Yeah, and my getting caught up with all sorts of other side ideas that I have that don't quite work out.
jordan holmes
2008!
dan friesen
Pretty much everything except for the endgame coverage has been ideas that I've had that are like, hmm, that didn't work.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
But today, this is going to be really fun.
Alex has been on some real bullshit this week.
Okay.
We all know he's getting sued.
Another lawsuit comes around.
unidentified
Of course.
dan friesen
And the way he escalates it is classic UCB-style improv.
jordan holmes
Okay.
unidentified
All right.
dan friesen
It's insane how quickly...
jordan holmes
He's yes-ending the lawsuit.
All right.
I'm in.
dan friesen
He takes the stakes from reality.
Well, he never starts with reality.
jordan holmes
No, that would be lame.
dan friesen
He starts with an elevated version of the stakes and then gets to a preposterous...
Which is going to be really fun.
And then along the way, there's a lot of really stupid things he says.
But we're going to start...
jordan holmes
I'm being sued by the demon Beelzebub.
dan friesen
You're shockingly close.
jordan holmes
That shouldn't be real.
dan friesen
Well, in this first clip, we're starting on Tuesday, the 13th.
And Alex has some thoughts about this lawsuit.
This most recent lawsuit.
And this one is being brought against him.
jordan holmes
Which is the most recent lawsuit?
I can't keep up.
dan friesen
This one is a defamation lawsuit that's being brought against him by a guy named Brennan Gilmore.
jordan holmes
Oh, is that the guy who, yeah, no, no, I know what's going on now.
dan friesen
From a Politico article here, the protester who filmed the violent clashes at a white supremacist rally last year in Virginia at Charlottesville sued far-right news site Infowars and its leader Alex Jones on Tuesday saying the site stoked conspiracy theories that he was working on.
jordan holmes
Not wrong.
That is exactly what they did.
dan friesen
So that's the basics about this lawsuit.
But Alex Jones starts off on Tuesday.
jordan holmes
Is that defamation of character, though, right?
dan friesen
It's debatable.
jordan holmes
See, that's almost...
That's kind of a compliment.
That's the weirdest part about this.
It's kind of like you're way more than what you actually are.
dan friesen
I don't agree with that assessment.
I think Alex Jones spiritually deserves to lose this lawsuit.
jordan holmes
Absolutely.
dan friesen
But I think he can probably win or settle.
jordan holmes
It's really tough.
It's really tough to do defamation.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Not a lot of people win those.
dan friesen
Yeah, but you know...
The way that it does always seem malicious.
jordan holmes
Right.
No, no, no.
Absolutely.
dan friesen
It seems like you'd be able to...
Anyway, let's hear Alex's version of it here in this first clip from Tuesday.
alex jones
He's a spokesperson to the Democrats.
He loves Hillary.
He's a leftist.
He went all over TV.
He was a public figure before.
He's a public figure after.
dan friesen
So there, just already, he's trying to make the argument that he is a public figure.
unidentified
Yeah, of course.
dan friesen
It's Brennan Gilmore.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
dan friesen
And in being a public figure, he's much harder to slander.
jordan holmes
That was the first time he listened to the advice of his lawyers.
Yes.
Guaranteed.
alex jones
He's going to be all over the news channels as a cause celeb.
Democratic fundraising.
He writes articles for Politico.
How I Became Fake News, Brennan Gilmore.
jordan holmes
He wrote an article for Politico.
alex jones
And Alexander Jones, Infowars is the top of the bill.
I like that.
It's like John Hancock.
jordan holmes
He was the top of the bill.
alex jones
Big and bold, baby.
That's the New Declaration of Independence right there.
jordan holmes
Wait, what?
alex jones
You got Lee Stranahan.
We need to get him on today.
Let's go back.
I'll read it.
Lee Ann McAdoo, and then they've got some other news organizations they're suing.
jordan holmes
Ellie Max, bringing her in here.
dan friesen
I do love that, though.
This is the new Declaration of Independence.
jordan holmes
That might be grandiose.
dan friesen
A little bit.
jordan holmes
A little bit grandiose.
dan friesen
So Leanne McAdoo is also being sued in this case because she did some of the interviews in question.
And one of the people she interviewed is also being sued, Lee Stranahan, who comes on the show later.
We're not going to hear anything from him.
What you need to know about Lee Stranahan is he's a guy who worked for Breitbart and then quit in protest over an unspecified issue and then immediately started working for Sputnik.
jordan holmes
Sounds right.
That's a lateral move.
dan friesen
And when asked about it, he said, quote, I'm on the Russian payroll now.
unidentified
Also, in the interviews that he did on Infowars, I wasn't doing crime.
jordan holmes
Maybe I am now.
Don't worry about it.
dan friesen
In the interviews that he did on Infowars about the Charlottesville rally, he compared what was going on there with the Russian version of events in the Ukraine.
And so he was pushing a Russian narrative of the Ukrainian crisis.
jordan holmes
So if I understand correctly, his blank was annexed?
dan friesen
Yeah, well, no, because they think...
jordan holmes
His free speech?
dan friesen
His argument is that Soros was the agitating force in Charlottesville and that Soros was also the agitating force in Crimea.
Soros does a lot.
jordan holmes
He's a busy man.
dan friesen
We're going to get back to that in a little bit.
jordan holmes
I thought I was busy with the day job and with this show and with comedy, but no, Soros is everywhere.
dan friesen
Hands in so many pies.
jordan holmes
Yeah, does he ever delegate?
alex jones
No.
dan friesen
No, he's...
jordan holmes
Does anybody actually work for Soros?
dan friesen
No, it's all him.
jordan holmes
It's all him?
dan friesen
Yeah, and his son.
Does he have a...
jordan holmes
What does he do?
dan friesen
Soros and sons.
It's a mom-and-pop globalism operative.
jordan holmes
Also, they have a special on Hammers.
He has a brick-and-mortar hardware store.
dan friesen
And a raw honey business.
That's Soros and Pham.
So in that last clip, at least Alex was recognizing that it's Brennan Gilmore who is suing him.
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
That does not last long.
jordan holmes
That doesn't last long.
How can it not last long?
Are the Gilmore girls also suing him?
dan friesen
You son of a bitch.
I'm sorry.
jordan holmes
I'm sorry.
I'm going to start.
I'm going to listen.
dan friesen
All right.
alex jones
When I grow up, I want the deep state to sue me so I can draw them out in the open.
So I can get them in those deposition rooms and hammer those white shoe boys with the return of the republic.
We now take you live to the rebirth of America and the second revolution.
Ah, yeah!
I can feel the spirit!
unidentified
We'll take you live to the Central Texas Command Center in the heart of the resistance.
You're listening to Alex Jones.
alex jones
My name, my children, my treasure, my soul is on the line to defeat these parasite globalists.
And I'm feeling good.
You want to know their number.
If you want to know their kryptonite.
If you want to know what they fear.
It's Infowars.
It's you.
It's Americana.
It's God-fearing people of every race, color, and creed who bleed red blood.
Now, I'll get more into the deepest of the deep state, Clinton command base, CIA leftist faction, Jesuit globalist Vatican, El Supremo.
unidentified
Operation.
jordan holmes
Oh, shit.
unidentified
Wait.
dan friesen
That's a lot of words.
jordan holmes
Wait, hold on one second.
alex jones
That's a lot of words.
jordan holmes
Okay, one.
He does not realize that Hillary is currently unemployed.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Two.
dan friesen
He's mad because she was in India talking shit.
jordan holmes
Hillary is in the deepest.
Yeah, whatever.
She was in the deepest of the deep state.
dan friesen
No, no, no, no, no, no.
jordan holmes
Then.
unidentified
No, no, no, no, no.
jordan holmes
Then her operation.
The liberal operation.
Then the Jesuit.
dan friesen
Jesuits.
jordan holmes
Are the Jesuits in obvious?
dan friesen
You're getting a little...
jordan holmes
The nuns?
dan friesen
You're getting a little bit ahead of yourself, and I promise you I'll explain everything in due time.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
But that's how Alex starts describing the lawsuit against him.
It's the deepest of the deep state Hillary Operation CIA Jesuits.
So now...
jordan holmes
So wait, CIA Jesuits?
dan friesen
Hold on.
There's a little more in this next clip.
jordan holmes
I would watch that movie, by the way.
alex jones
I mean, this is the Jesuits.
With taxpayer money trying to end free speech in America.
Wow.
You think there are going to be some amicus briefs to this?
You think some folks are going to wait in?
This is going to be a titan battle.
And I guess they think they got everything worked out there in Virginia with things, huh?
So we can't red pill a jury.
Yeah, this is a very sophisticated operation.
But the best laid plans of mice and men.
unidentified
Often go astray.
dan friesen
It's hard to tell...
jordan holmes
Isn't it awry?
dan friesen
I think so.
It's hard to tell if he couldn't come up with the end of the quote or he was doing that for dramatic effect.
I'm gonna...
unidentified
Often go AWOL.
No, they often go out of this world.
jordan holmes
They often are Martian bases.
I don't...
Know what literature is.
dan friesen
He could have also been quoting that poem that Of Mice and Men's name is taken from, but be that as a mate.
jordan holmes
No, that's exactly what he's quoting.
The book doesn't...
Never mind.
dan friesen
Let's not dwell in this too much, because again...
jordan holmes
I'm a literature major.
I have to.
dan friesen
Okay.
jordan holmes
Furious.
dan friesen
This is so tertiary to the matter at hand.
jordan holmes
No!
Let's get into it!
dan friesen
So we've got...
jordan holmes
Of mice and men!
Go!
How do you feel about Lenny?
dan friesen
Love him.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
Problematic character, but I love him.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
So we start with Brennan Gilmore is suing me.
unidentified
Deep state.
dan friesen
Because I said a bunch of shit.
Deepest of the deep state.
Then we bring in the Jesuits.
Now we've established that Alex believes the Jesuits are suing him.
jordan holmes
With taxpayer money?
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
Is that because they don't pay taxes?
dan friesen
I promise you I'll explain everything.
jordan holmes
Are taxpayers financing the Jesuits?
dan friesen
I promise you I'll explain everything.
jordan holmes
I have so many questions.
dan friesen
There's one more escalation that needs to happen before we reveal the truth.
alex jones
I am so honored to be sued by Pope Francis using U.S. taxpayer money.
No, I'm not kidding.
Pull up the Washington Post.
Georgetown was founded as a private university in the 1790s.
There, where Washington, D.C. basically is today.
And it was shut up by the Vatican.
But since about 100 years ago, it's been mainly funded by taxpayer money.
dan friesen
So now the Pope is suing him.
That's exciting.
jordan holmes
So Pope Francis, personally, is suing him.
Does the Pope ever delegate anything?
dan friesen
No.
unidentified
Do any of these people have lawyers?
jordan holmes
Is it just the Pope who literally writes his own briefs?
dan friesen
Yeah, yeah.
The Pope is going to be defending himself in court against Alex.
So all of this is just...
Comes back to a couple of stray facts.
And it's basically all because...
Brendan Gilmore, the suit that he is bringing was filed in court by the Georgetown Civil Rights Clinic.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
The Georgetown University Civil Rights Clinic.
jordan holmes
That's where they go to heal civil rights.
dan friesen
Yes.
jordan holmes
If civil rights had herpes...
unidentified
No, no, no.
dan friesen
Wrong kind of clinic.
unidentified
Oh, okay.
dan friesen
Like a basketball clinic.
jordan holmes
Okay, all right.
dan friesen
It's for students.
jordan holmes
That's how Markel Fultz is getting his shot back.
dan friesen
Yes.
All right.
jordan holmes
NBA reference.
dan friesen
Here are the only facts you really need to know.
Carol Quigley.
jordan holmes
When the Pope sues somebody, does the white smoke come out of the chimney?
dan friesen
The Pope isn't suing him.
This is nonsense.
Georgetown University is a Jesuit university, or historically has been.
jordan holmes
Okay.
I did not know that!
dan friesen
Carol Quigley, who Alex Jones hates and pretends he's read his entire book, Tragedy and Hope, was a professor at Georgetown.
Ergo, Alex is connecting those things.
This brief was filed by the Georgetown Civil Rights Clinic.
And I'm going to read to you here from their website what the Civil Rights Clinic is.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
The Civil Rights Clinic...
Yeah, it's the Pope.
I don't need to read this paragraph.
jordan holmes
No, I want to hear the paragraph.
dan friesen
The Civil Rights Clinic operates as a public interest law firm representing individual clients and other public interest organizations.
unidentified
The Pope.
dan friesen
Primarily in the areas of discrimination and constitutional rights, workplace fairness, and open government.
jordan holmes
Sounds like the Pope.
dan friesen
Students interview clients, develop case theories, draft and file complaints in federal and state courts, conduct discovery, engage in motions, practice, and prepare appeals.
All it is...
It's what you can do, get therapy through psychology students.
jordan holmes
No, this is essentially, he is suing them through...
dan friesen
He probably doesn't have money.
jordan holmes
Third year residence.
That kind of a thing.
dan friesen
He probably doesn't have the resources and you use law school students at the number one law school in America.
They're probably better than a lot of lawyers even though they don't have their bar license.
Why is it Georgetown?
Is it because it's the Pope and the Jesuits?
jordan holmes
Could be.
dan friesen
No, it's because it's the best university in a two mile drive from Charlottesville, Virginia.
unidentified
It's really close to Charlottesville, Virginia.
dan friesen
And it's consistently the number one law school in America.
jordan holmes
Alright, so he Google Mapsed it and then pressed search here and Georgetown came up and he's like, oh, that works.
dan friesen
No, I'm sure because of the area that the offense took place, I'm sure that...
He has to bring it into a court in that area.
And what's the best?
Or maybe he even lives there.
I don't know.
I don't know what Brandon Gilmore's address is.
jordan holmes
It's Georgetown University.
Who knows?
dan friesen
He might have connections, like friends who go to Georgetown or something like that.
jordan holmes
Georgetown is a place.
You can go to law school there.
There are lawyers for cheap.
dan friesen
I got it.
If you're connecting, if you just think logically about it, The tragedy happened in Charlottesville, Virginia, and 120 miles away is Georgetown University.
That's incredibly close.
unidentified
Right, right, right.
dan friesen
That would be like when I grew up in Columbia, Missouri.
jordan holmes
How close was the Vatican to Columbia University?
dan friesen
The University of Missouri is pretty good, but I guess if I needed...
I don't know what Webster does.
I don't know what Webster University in St. Louis does.
jordan holmes
Here's a quick question.
Alright, so we know the NCAA is an evil organization.
dan friesen
I've heard that.
jordan holmes
If the students are paid for the lawsuit for being his lawyer, does that make them ineligible for the law tournament?
dan friesen
Yes.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
Yes, absolutely.
jordan holmes
Just wanted to make sure.
dan friesen
But it gives them a valuable experience.
jordan holmes
Absolutely.
dan friesen
You get course credit, all that sort of thing.
It's actually a really cool thing.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
And Alex is misaligning everything, but it's super fun!
The way he's escalating his own oppression.
jordan holmes
It's the Pope.
dan friesen
Everybody is against me.
jordan holmes
He went all the way to the Pope.
dan friesen
And let me tell you this.
It's not done.
He's going to escalate it even further.
jordan holmes
How can you escalate it?
Ask the Pope!
dan friesen
We have to wait and see.
It's a little bit later.
jordan holmes
He owns his own country!
dan friesen
It's a little bit later down the road.
We'll get there in a bit.
But first, Alex Jones has to ruminate on his victimhood status.
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
And do the only thing he knows how to do.
jordan holmes
Does he say the Pope is almost as bad as the Jews?
dan friesen
No.
He does say something really fucked up in the next clip, though.
Oh, boy.
But here's his sadness.
alex jones
Lawsuits.
Taxpayer funded.
It's all here.
It's happening.
And I am so honored.
To be in the middle of this, and to see Trump moving to get rid of the globalists, to get rid of the neocons, and really bringing this country back.
It's a very, very magic time to be alive.
Before we go any further, because I hardly ever plug, we need to plug more.
I barely plugged for 30 seconds last time.
jordan holmes
Barely plugged!
alex jones
Ladies and gentlemen, we need your financial support, but more importantly, we sell products that we...
dan friesen
Anyway, that just goes on.
Anyway, like I said, he says something really terrible, and this clip starts with Alex...
He's encouraging people who went to Georgetown and their alums to stop giving them money.
jordan holmes
Really?
dan friesen
And I don't have the clip of it, but on one of these shows he says that they've been going through the alumni rolodexes of Georgetown and contacting alums and stuff, which I don't know how I feel about that, but do what you gotta do.
jordan holmes
I feel like if you went to Georgetown...
You're not susceptible to Infowars.
dan friesen
I would imagine not.
So that's sort of his plan, is I'm going to crush Georgetown University.
jordan holmes
That works.
dan friesen
But unfortunately, he says something at the end of this clip that should make any Georgetown alum be like, I don't want to help this guy.
alex jones
All of you, if you're alumni at Georgetown and you're not a snot-nosed globalist, you've got to pull your money.
Other people, I think there should be lawsuits against them.
There's all sorts of issues using taxpayer money trying to get rid of the free speech.
I mean, I'm having my rights violated like Jim Crow.
unidentified
Yeesh.
jordan holmes
I don't think that's true because they're suing you.
dan friesen
Yeesh.
jordan holmes
They're not discounting you as a human being.
dan friesen
Right, right.
jordan holmes
Right?
unidentified
Mm-hmm.
jordan holmes
Like, they're like, hey, we're literally going to treat you as an equal by going into court with you.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
As opposed to being like, you're not allowed.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Period.
dan friesen
And conceivably, I mean, I hate to, I hate, this is something that's just going to keep coming up in my firm position on Alex and all of these lawsuits.
Go to court.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
If you don't have, if your rights are being violated.
Go to court.
jordan holmes
You have to.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Show up.
jordan holmes
Well, I mean, he's not going to be treated fairly.
If there's anything I know about the justice system, it's that rich people are never treated fairly.
dan friesen
Rich white males especially.
jordan holmes
Oh, absolutely not.
They're always fucking railroaded by our justice system.
Our justice system hits.
He hates rich white male.
dan friesen
Yeah, yeah.
There's no way that he's going to have his fair day.
jordan holmes
Oh, absolutely.
dan friesen
But I just think all of these concerns that he's screaming about and making up, like, okay, you believe that the Jesuits and the Pope are trying to sue you through this.
jordan holmes
Right.
Taxpayer-funded Jesuits.
dan friesen
Go to court and make that argument.
See how it flies anywhere but on your stupid show.
See how...
jordan holmes
Anybody.
Oh, man.
dan friesen
Because, you know...
jordan holmes
I don't recognize this lawsuit.
Admiralty law against the Pope.
dan friesen
Fine.
Fine.
I would love that.
You know, because, like, we go back to this over and over again.
The concept of proving something to Alex versus the real world are very different things.
And the idea of him trying to be like Carol Quigley and the Jesuits behind this, it all goes all the way up to the Pope, are trying to railroad me.
Sir?
Sir?
This is about your comments that you made about this guy.
jordan holmes
Well, if you...
dan friesen
Who is not the Pope?
jordan holmes
If you recall, I think in the justice system...
dan friesen
I gotta scare you those hiccups out of you.
jordan holmes
I know, it's weird.
It happened fast.
dan friesen
That's scary.
jordan holmes
I'm tired.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
In the justice system, Alex is a very different man.
dan friesen
No, I mean, he was screaming at his custody hearing.
jordan holmes
Well, yeah, but that was a whole different thing.
He wasn't going to lose too much money.
dan friesen
No, just his kids.
jordan holmes
Or some of the money.
Yeah.
Just his kids.
Who are not as important as his money.
dan friesen
Do you want to take a break to gargle some water?
jordan holmes
No, I think I'll be fine.
None of those cures actually work.
dan friesen
I don't know about that.
Hold your breath.
jordan holmes
I think I'll have a cigarette.
unidentified
There you go.
dan friesen
That's the cure-all for everything.
In this next clip, Alex Jones rocks out to a little bit of music and then makes a revelation that I think is an exaggeration.
alex jones
Crashing of the lies and disinformation.
unidentified
Woo!
alex jones
I love it!
Crank it up for a minute.
Little ladies music, the Red Rocker.
He's a great guy, by the way.
dan friesen
Great guy.
unidentified
So I signed by the name of Mother 24. Judge said, son, just one more.
alex jones
All right.
Here's the deal.
I can't drive 55, and I sure as hell can't live under globalism and Islamic Sharia law.
Ally with a bunch of weird soy boy leftists.
It isn't happening.
Now, I was just talking to some of the crew in there.
Imagine what Trump's going through.
If Democrats and Hillary lawyers have filed, I guess if you count the two EOCs, it's two things.
It's 12 lawsuits in the last year, and most of them in the last couple months.
dan friesen
I think that number's high because he goes on to say that he's had six of them thrown out of court.
I think he's creating fake lawsuits to pretend that he's won some, whereas he has shamefully settled the lawsuits that we're aware of publicly.
jordan holmes
Pretty much.
dan friesen
And the other ones are still pending.
Yeah.
I think he's just exaggerating to get a little bit of wind back in his face.
Right, right, right.
But at this point, Alex, you know, if he has 12 lawsuits pending, Jesus.
Because I can't imagine what those other ones are for.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I know.
Wouldn't we know about those lawsuits?
dan friesen
Now, granted, I think that there is a fair chance he can win this one.
jordan holmes
I have six separate lawsuits for child support.
dan friesen
That could be.
jordan holmes
That's entirely possible.
dan friesen
If he's including that, that's pathetic.
But, like, if he...
I don't know enough about law.
I'm not a lawyer.
But I don't think it's totally out of...
Like, the realm of believability that he could win this one against Brennan Gilmore.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
I think it's possible.
And I think the one against the Pepe copyright infringement lawsuit, I think it's very possible he'll win that as well.
jordan holmes
That could be fair use, yeah.
dan friesen
The EEOC complaints, I think, are much more of a toss-up.
I think he probably is going to have to settle those.
But...
jordan holmes
He's not going to win against Ashley Beckford.
dan friesen
It doesn't seem like it, but I think he's going to settle those.
I don't know.
The oppression that he's presenting doesn't make sense based on the pretty decent position he's in, considering all he's going to do is lose a bit of money.
jordan holmes
Well, I mean, not against the Pope.
He's going to lose his treasure.
dan friesen
The Pope is not in play.
jordan holmes
He's going to lose his bust of...
dan friesen
Andrew Jackson?
jordan holmes
No, no, no, no.
I was going to go with...
Who's the pilot who was lost?
dan friesen
Lindbergh?
jordan holmes
Yes.
His bust of Lindbergh.
dan friesen
Okay.
jordan holmes
And his baby.
He actually has Charles Lindbergh's baby.
dan friesen
Charles Lindbergh didn't go missing.
Yeah.
That was the baby.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Anyway, in this next clip, we've always heard Alex very frequently talking about how the globalists keep children tied up in their basements and what have you.
jordan holmes
Where else are you going to keep them?
dan friesen
We hear that sick fantasy all the time.
jordan holmes
Come on.
What, do you got a locker?
dan friesen
In an interesting twist, on this episode, Alex Jones presents himself and America.
As being the ones trapped in the basement.
jordan holmes
That's interesting.
That's a new angle.
dan friesen
And because of that, it's not quite as gross to listen to.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
So I'm going to go ahead and play it.
jordan holmes
Who's keeping him in the basement?
dan friesen
It's sick globalists, and maybe one of them is a worm being.
jordan holmes
A worm being?
dan friesen
We'll get to that as this clip.
jordan holmes
Like a dune worm?
dan friesen
I don't know.
Let's see.
jordan holmes
Okay.
alex jones
And everybody knows what a pack of liars these people are, but they're so used to creeping around and being in control.
Knowing that America's chained up in their basement.
They're sitting up there watching TV, big old slobs.
We're chained up down there.
There's famous cases of this.
They're getting their Social Security checks, basically.
They're sitting like big slobs eating Twinkies watching television.
You know, they got like little CIA pocket protectors feeling powerful.
We're chained up downstairs.
They walk by, make us beg for maybe a piece of bread.
They walk down the dungeon.
They kind of strut around.
I'm feeling really powerful right now, America.
Let me just kick you in the face a little bit.
Oh, but...
jordan holmes
Oh, but?
alex jones
We've got both our arms out of the shackles.
And then we got our legs out.
And when you open the trap door to come down and rape us...
Globalist?
Metaphysically?
dan friesen
Metaphysically.
alex jones
Even though we've been emaciated and been in the dark so long we could hardly see, we punched you, knocked you to the ground, bit a chunk out of you, and now we're stumbling around with the lights on trying to see, and you're streaming for mama.
unidentified
Mama.
Hold on.
alex jones
And here comes a big, fat, giant, 400-pound maggot down the stairs, just slithering in.
Pus dripping out of it.
Smell of rotting dead children in its belly.
There's the big, giant pus worm.
Come to save its baby.
Baby's bleeding.
Baby broke its leg when baby fell down in the dark.
And so, we're getting our bearings.
The light's coming back in our eyes.
We weigh about 85 pounds, but you know what?
We're fighting for our lives, and here comes that big worm.
And what are we going to do to that big, giant, stinking worm that smells like dead flesh?
It's squealing like a big rat.
What are we going to do to that worm?
dan friesen
I mean, the only answer is murder, right?
alex jones
Kill the worm.
jordan holmes
I mean, if you only weigh 85 pounds, you have no chance against the big worm.
dan friesen
Well, but, okay, so it's either we're going to get fucked up by the worm.
jordan holmes
Have we ever seen a 400-pound worm?
dan friesen
I haven't.
jordan holmes
Even in, like, the Cretaceous period.
dan friesen
In literature, in fiction.
jordan holmes
Right.
Well, of course, there's the doom giant worms.
Yes.
There is a...
Who did...
The Tremors worms?
dan friesen
Sure, sure.
jordan holmes
They were there?
The Teenage Mutant Ninja worms?
dan friesen
I'm trying to unpack all this.
jordan holmes
I don't know who he thinks is winning in this situation.
dan friesen
Well, he's winning because he's got his arms free and bit a piece off the baby.
jordan holmes
How did he get his arms free?
dan friesen
I don't know.
jordan holmes
Does America have opposable...
The thumbs that can...
dan friesen
Probably Trump getting in is his arms getting free or something like that, if you want to use that metaphor.
jordan holmes
So Tillerson getting fired is the legs?
dan friesen
Maybe.
We don't have any clips of it because it was really inconsequential, but he's thrilled with Tillerson being out.
jordan holmes
Oh, of course.
dan friesen
Because he's a globalist double dealer.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
I don't know what that means.
Naturally.
jordan holmes
Counter-coup.
Or we're on our third counter-coup.
dan friesen
He plays a little bit of Tillerson's farewell.
Press conference.
And Alex is clearly confused by the language.
And so he's like, this is all code.
jordan holmes
Okay.
unidentified
All right.
dan friesen
He's like, Tillerson's clearly talking to a globalist stay-behind network.
jordan holmes
Stay-behind network.
Yeah.
Okay.
dan friesen
Great.
jordan holmes
All right.
Tillerson famously getting rid of most of the State Department.
Has a stay-behind network as well?
dan friesen
His deputy got fired to, there is no one in the state department.
jordan holmes
Yeah, no, there's nobody there.
dan friesen
There's no stay-behind network.
jordan holmes
And the guy who's now running the state department is just a torture master?
Like, what are we doing?
dan friesen
Former head of the CIA, Pompeo.
jordan holmes
Yeah, Pompeo's a piece of shit.
dan friesen
Later on the Wednesday episode, Steve Pochenik comes on, and I think...
jordan holmes
Is anybody qualified to do anything in this fucking administration?
dan friesen
Nope.
jordan holmes
Is anybody?
dan friesen
Nope.
jordan holmes
Why would the CIA director be a good Secretary of State?
dan friesen
I don't know, man.
Alex makes the argument that the CIA is run by the State Department.
And so...
Of course.
jordan holmes
Well, that's, I mean...
dan friesen
That's his explanation for why it's cool to have the CIA director be our chief diplomatic officer.
jordan holmes
Done.
Solved.
dan friesen
I don't know.
jordan holmes
Solved.
dan friesen
Like, everything is so through the looking glass.
jordan holmes
This is insane.
dan friesen
In terms of politics, I don't even really fucking care anymore.
jordan holmes
How do we do the day-to-day?
What is happening?
dan friesen
I don't even...
jordan holmes
What's going on in the world, Dan?
dan friesen
Nothing.
jordan holmes
Nothing?
Everything.
dan friesen
Everything and nothing at the same time.
No, it's a huge mess, man.
I don't know.
I don't know what to tell you.
I have no take on it.
jordan holmes
Do you know, one of the things that I find interesting about Trump being elected is a lot of people are calling themselves dictator for life now.
Like the Saudi prince?
He's kinging it up now.
dan friesen
Well, you seem to notice a trend between the who who's doing it.
Yeah, that's a good point.
People who would have been checked.
By our State Department in the past.
jordan holmes
That's a good point.
John Kerry's not allowing any dictators for life, I'll tell you that right now.
Swift-boating!
He's gonna swift-boat the shit out of them!
dan friesen
People who would have probably used some of our soft power in order to be like, hey, hold on now.
I don't know if that sort of thing is appropriate, China and Saudi Arabia.
jordan holmes
This is one of the weird things.
Watching our foreign policy get dismantled, you're kind of like, ooh, our foreign policy was evil before, but damn.
Maybe we weren't garbage.
dan friesen
It's kind of the difference between...
I actually don't believe the...
First part of the sentence, but I think that the perception is there of this.
Necessary evil.
I think that's what you kind of come away from Obama's term with in terms of foreign policy.
A lot of things that are really fucking unacceptable, but the realities of the world we live in necessitate some of it.
And now we're just in anarchy.
We're just basically in a foreign policy of...
unidentified
I mean, yeah.
jordan holmes
Look, Russia.
You are probing to destroy our power grid.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
We get it.
But our response is, come on, guys.
Come on, guys.
dan friesen
Well, I mean, today, we're recording this on Thursday.
jordan holmes
They did set those new sanctions.
That's true.
dan friesen
Right, but they're not really targeted in the right places.
jordan holmes
No, they're against like 18 guys.
dan friesen
They're wildly inappropriate sanctions.
jordan holmes
And they're absolutely not targeted towards the Russian oligarchs themselves.
dan friesen
No, no.
jordan holmes
Because maybe, just maybe, Donald Trump owes them a shit ton of money.
dan friesen
Yeah.
I think that what you look at...
I read a really interesting article written by someone we're going to talk about a little bit later on the podcast in preparation for this.
jordan holmes
Pagenic?
dan friesen
No.
A new cat.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
It's coming into the fold.
And only very on the periphery.
He was making the argument a long while back.
I think it was an article from 2009 about the United States hegemony and the unipolar power in the world.
And how it's gone.
Well, a lot of people are against that.
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
And the reason that they're against that is that they believe that if that power were destroyed, you'd end up in a multipolar world or a place where there was much more universal respect and power between countries.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
And the reality that he argued for is that what would happen in the absence of US power unipolarity is chaos and international anarchy.
Yes.
jordan holmes
Sure seems similar to the current times.
dan friesen
I'm not sure if I believe all of his premises, but it does look, based on the things that you were talking about, people saying, I'm just going to be empowered.
I'm just going to do whatever I want.
It seems like we're at the beginnings of what could be an era of international anarchy.
And the only end result of that is someone at some point down the road deciding...
Yeah, I'm going to be the unipolar power now, being able to do that.
The only country other than us that would do that is China.
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
Russia wouldn't do that.
jordan holmes
They don't have the economy for it.
dan friesen
They don't have the capability either, because they're not...
jordan holmes
I mean, technically speaking, neither does China.
I mean, once again, well, they can only exercise their economic power over everything.
At the end of the day, America has all of the guns.
Like, essentially, our military...
What?
Our military is...
All of the other major countries plus a million combined?
Right.
It's intense how much military strength we have.
The good news is...
dan friesen
I honestly don't think that there's any way that we would use most of it, though.
jordan holmes
Well, the good news is, right, is that now that we do have all of this military power and we see people challenging America's hegemony, and there's no possible way with our stable and wonderful government that we will...
Use that in a negative possibility way.
There's no way.
dan friesen
I still have some faith that it'll not come to that.
jordan holmes
I don't know.
dan friesen
Anyway.
jordan holmes
I never know.
dan friesen
On to this next clip where Alex makes his claim.
So this lawsuit is about the defamation of character that he put towards...
jordan holmes
The Pope.
dan friesen
Nope.
Brendan Gilmore.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
And if you'll recall in the day...
jordan holmes
Who might be the Shadow Pope.
dan friesen
No, he's not.
jordan holmes
Have we considered dark pope situations?
dan friesen
There's the black pope, not the shadow pope.
There is the black pope.
In the day of and after the Charlottesville rally, Alex had Jason Kessler, the guy who organized the Unite the Right rally, on his show to say a bunch of stupid bullshit.
jordan holmes
Great.
dan friesen
Could fly in his face.
jordan holmes
Great.
dan friesen
But Alex's defense about why he's not guilty of the thing that he's being charged with is that the lawsuit left off one word.
And they misquoted him.
jordan holmes
Oh, no.
dan friesen
And I don't think this is going to fly.
alex jones
I forget the name of the headline.
It's in the suit, but they distorted it.
I've got it over here somewhere.
Here's Reuters when they were sending me fake headlines.
I went and checked.
It wasn't even our headlines.
Let me find it right here.
It was bombshell connection between Charlottesville, Soros, and they cut chaos off.
And again, they edited this bombshell connection.
George Soros needs to be charged and arrested for sedition and causing Charlottesville chaos.
And I have all the documents here where he funds Antifa.
So again, they've edited all this.
It's amazing.
unidentified
Again, the guy who writes for Sputnik.
jordan holmes
So, one, he doesn't have any documents, aside from the unenforceable bullshit contract that he's described in the past.
Yes.
Which, now?
I am also not a lawyer.
I'm not even a law student at Georgetown University.
dan friesen
Civil rights clinic.
jordan holmes
But I don't think a judge is going to be like, well, yeah, of course.
You got that contract, so you're right.
dan friesen
No, no, no.
He's talking about the fucking contracts that he found on 4chan that were fake.
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
Yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
dan friesen
Those would not...
jordan holmes
Judge isn't going to let those fly.
dan friesen
No.
Those are fake.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
Those are absolutely not real.
jordan holmes
So who's going to trial?
4chan is going to trial.
dan friesen
Right, why would they mislead me and make me say things?
jordan holmes
Of course!
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
He's talking a lot of lawsuits.
dan friesen
Let's chill their free speech.
unidentified
Ah.
dan friesen
Oh, now Alex is going to turn the buck.
He won't do that.
He's going to pretend that these things are real.
But also, the defense of, like, they're suing me saying that I said George Soros should be charged for sedition for causing Charlottesville.
jordan holmes
But what he meant...
dan friesen
What I said is he caused Charlottesville chaos.
That's weak.
jordan holmes
I don't know the difference there.
dan friesen
I think in the modern parlance, the vernacular...
If you say you caused Charlottesville, what you're saying is...
jordan holmes
Soros is the reason that that...
dan friesen
Well, yeah, but Alex would say that, yeah, I believe that, because Soros paid Antifa to agitate, and that's what led to her dying in the first place.
jordan holmes
Yeah, but isn't that the distinction in using the word chaos as opposed to just Charlottesville?
Describing it as Charlottesville, chaos says that Soros is the reason crazy shit happened, not Soros is responsible for the murder.
dan friesen
No, because I think if you look at, like, when we say Charlottesville, we're talking about the mess.
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
The chaos.
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
So Charlottesville and Charlottesville chaos, I think, are synonymous.
jordan holmes
You would think so.
dan friesen
To a certain extent.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
This is not a glaring omission if this is what the lawsuit says.
It is by Reuters, though.
It would be very easy to not stand up in court.
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
So in this next clip, Alex Jones talks dirty about his wife.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
And then throws it.
unidentified
What?
dan friesen
And then throws it.
jordan holmes
Wait, what?
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
He loves to talk dirty about his wife.
And then he throws it to commercial with Ted Nugent.
alex jones
I mean, me personally, see, I'm not like these globalists that are into little kids and stuff.
That's what I like.
Big, you know, full-on, the whole nine yards, Marilyn Monroe type woman.
I'm married happily.
The point is, and I tell you, if I make the joke, my wife's not.
If she was her car, she wouldn't be street legal.
People say, what does that mean?
You know, it means she's got so much horsepower.
jordan holmes
It means we fuck.
alex jones
Speaking of horsepower.
He drives a black Hellcat like I do.
Let's crank this up.
This is the Motor City Madman.
We got the full interview coming later in the week.
I did it with him last week or week and a half ago.
Ted Nugent.
He got you in a stranglehold, you globalist.
All right, stay with us.
We got one of the other reporters sued by the Vatican on the other side.
dan friesen
He should just be a DJ.
jordan holmes
Yeah, he would be so much happier.
dan friesen
That was seamless.
jordan holmes
He would be so much happier.
dan friesen
First of all, I mean, I think it's gross the way he talks about his wife.
But then...
jordan holmes
A little bit.
dan friesen
It's between them.
It's their business.
If she's fine with that, then whatever.
I'm not going to be offended.
jordan holmes
I guess.
dan friesen
I think it's poor taste.
jordan holmes
Probably.
dan friesen
But then, like, him being like, she's not...
unidentified
Hey, one thing I say about my wife, we fuck good.
jordan holmes
Maybe she has other qualities?
dan friesen
Nope.
She's not street legal because she's got too much horsepower.
Speaking of horsepower, this guy drives the same car as me.
jordan holmes
I thought he got rid of the Hellcat, though.
dan friesen
I think he said he was going to sell it, but then he didn't.
But then he's like, this guy's got the same car as me.
Let's go to Ted Nugent.
And then he weaves in the name of the song.
Being like, we got you globalists in a stranglehold.
jordan holmes
Right, that's true.
dan friesen
In terms of DJing, that's pretty smooth.
jordan holmes
Yeah, if you gave him like five minutes in between like an hour of solid music, he'd be amazing.
dan friesen
Yeah, he'd probably be.
jordan holmes
He'd be amazing.
dan friesen
He'd be competent.
jordan holmes
Well, fair enough.
dan friesen
So that's about his new wife.
In his next clip, he talks about his old wife.
jordan holmes
She is definitely street legal.
alex jones
When they run their mouths, which they're already doing, outside of that court with the stuff they're saying...
jordan holmes
You do that!
alex jones
And like I said, I got Tom Brokaw saying that I'm an unalloyed racist, which means a committed, 100% racist.
unidentified
You are.
dan friesen
Literally every time he says the quote, unalloyed racist, he has to define it because he knows his audience has no idea what that means.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Also, I don't have any clips of this in here, but he's like, statute of limitations is coming up on Brokaw.
Gotta sue him.
jordan holmes
No, that doesn't make sense.
dan friesen
He's now going to sue Tom Brokaw.
jordan holmes
Oh, man!
Now, if we got called to testify in the, is Alex Jones a racist case?
God, we would crush it.
dan friesen
I have a little bit of an archive of...
jordan holmes
Yeah, we might have a case there.
dan friesen
Circumstantial evidence certainly indicating...
Anyway, he's not going to do that, though.
It's all just shit talk to trying to distract from the fact that he's being sued by literally everybody.
jordan holmes
It's probably bad that he talks about being sued a lot on his show.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
That's not a good sign.
dan friesen
Let's see where this goes.
alex jones
We got me protesting the KKK.
dan friesen
Sure.
See, they're all feds.
alex jones
You know, my sister's Korean adopted, you know, my wife's part Jewish, and so that makes my kids...
I mean, I guess the Nazis are right.
My kids, I guess, might be able to go to Israel or whatever.
I mean, I never thought of that, but yeah.
jordan holmes
Again, not the...
Well, I mean, they would be able to.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
That's true.
Yeah.
But also, go fuck yourself.
That doesn't make any goddamn sense.
dan friesen
That's not a fake laugh.
That's an uncomfortable laugh.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Because the entirety of his career...
jordan holmes
My children are Jewish.
dan friesen
No, that's not why.
That's not why.
Because for the entirety of his career up till this point, he's been denying that Kelly was part Jewish, or that her mother was Jewish.
jordan holmes
That's true.
dan friesen
And thereby denying that his children were Jewish, because the complaint that his anti-Semitic critics made against him, which, again, they're wrong, but they said that Alex Jones was working for Israel, and that Kelly was Jewish, and that made their kids Jewish, and that meant that they could have right of return to go to Israel when they had committed all of these crimes.
jordan holmes
Which, technically speaking...
Yes, they could, right?
dan friesen
Right, but that doesn't give them protection from committing a bunch of crimes and stuff and then running to Israel for asylum or whatever.
jordan holmes
That's how it works.
dan friesen
That nonsense is crazy.
But the reason that that clip to me is like, that's damning, is that fake, uncomfortable laugh is covering him saying, I'd never thought about that.
You fucking thought about that.
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
dan friesen
All the years you've been fucking denying that your family has Jewish roots?
jordan holmes
I mean, we talked about his conspiracy theory about exactly that.
The right of return.
He was crazy about it.
It just occurred to him that that would also apply to his children?
That doesn't make sense at all.
dan friesen
And for almost his, I would say at least the last decade of his career, there have been people who have been harassing him.
There was an episode, I couldn't find the clip of it because I forgot what episode it was from, but we've covered it on the show.
There's a guy who called in who was like, I've been inside your house.
jordan holmes
Yes, I recall that.
dan friesen
And he was saying that his family was Jewish.
And Alex specifically said, My ex-wife isn't Jewish.
jordan holmes
Really?
dan friesen
Yeah, he says it over and over again.
jordan holmes
That's probably bad.
dan friesen
He has known this forever.
People have thrown it in his face.
And again, I need to keep repeating, they're wrong.
Their argument is wrong and stupid.
But the fact that Alex has made a change now and is using Kelly's heritage in order to protect himself from accusations that he's racist means...
jordan holmes
Crazy how much the way you feel about things changes when they become valuable to you.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Really crazy how that happens.
dan friesen
Yeah, it's real.
jordan holmes
Principles are really, really important until they get in your way and you have to abandon them.
dan friesen
Yeah, it's pretty fucked up.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's crazy.
dan friesen
I always get very interested when there's anomalies in behavior, and this is a big one.
This is a really big one.
unidentified
You know what?
jordan holmes
That's a really interesting question to me.
Did he know his wife's Jewish heritage?
dan friesen
1,000%.
jordan holmes
Before they got married?
dan friesen
1,000%.
jordan holmes
You think so?
dan friesen
They ended up getting married because of common law marriage.
They were together for a really long time before they ended up getting married.
There's no way that he hadn't met her mom and known that she's Jewish.
Well, he could just be such an asshole that he never cared.
jordan holmes
There you go.
I do not put that past him.
dan friesen
It seems...
Difficult.
jordan holmes
The idea of Alex Jones not being that much of an asshole seems far more unlikely to me than him being on good terms with any Jewish person.
dan friesen
You're forgetting that...
This is years and years ago, Alex Jones.
It's not 2018, 2017.
jordan holmes
That's true.
dan friesen
Alex Jones.
jordan holmes
That's a good point.
dan friesen
He was still an asshole, but he could sit down and listen to somebody.
jordan holmes
That's possible.
dan friesen
I think he'd do a nice job talking to the in-laws.
jordan holmes
Fair enough.
dan friesen
Like that sort of thing.
But anyway, that brings us to the end of Tuesday.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
Tuesday's show has come and gone.
There were a couple interviews, but they're not really important.
A lady named Brittany Pettibone was on the show.
jordan holmes
Oh yeah, the Pettibone?
dan friesen
She was just on because Tommy Robinson mentioned her the day before because she was trying to interview him.
jordan holmes
So her name is fake too?
dan friesen
What's up?
jordan holmes
Probably.
dan friesen
It's not really a good interview at all.
jordan holmes
I assume Tommy Robinson only knows people.
By their fake name.
dan friesen
The interview is mostly about how Alex is getting sued by the Pope.
He just tries to be like, my oppression is pretty intense, right?
He's trying to impress her with his plight.
unidentified
Gotcha.
dan friesen
And it's kind of lame.
And then Lee Stranahan, who again is a writer for Sputnik, and is getting sued along with Alex.
And they just talk about how this goes real deep.
jordan holmes
Yes, of course.
Hey, follow the money.
Follow the money, eventually you get back to the Pope.
That's what I knew about the Watergate scandal, right?
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's why Nixon actually resigned.
dan friesen
Totally.
jordan holmes
Is because the Pope made him.
unidentified
Mm-hmm.
jordan holmes
Okay.
unidentified
All right.
jordan holmes
There we go.
dan friesen
You get it.
jordan holmes
I get it now.
It's the Jesuits.
dan friesen
Jesuits.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah.
The five Jesuit bankers.
That's who is suing him.
dan friesen
Exactly.
So we move on to Wednesday, and on Wednesday, Alex has gotten some insider information.
jordan holmes
Uh-huh.
dan friesen
He's still complaining a lot about the lawsuit.
But there were those bombings in Austin, you know?
jordan holmes
Yes, that's true.
dan friesen
Alex has heard from very reliable inside sources some information about these bombings that he wants to convey to his audience.
jordan holmes
Well, the Pope was just there.
dan friesen
Absolutely.
alex jones
When I was giving the info, I said, well...
Am I able to put this out?
I don't want to hurt the investigation.
They said, yeah, we've determined we're going to let you break it.
Because I think the police just want you to see when it comes down how credible we are.
In fact, get me a Don Salazar in here, please.
I know Kit's overwhelming.
Everybody's doing a great job.
Just get a Don in here.
And I meant to have our security folks.
We didn't want to search it on our own phones.
Start the type of bombs.
dan friesen
Don't look up bomb shit on your bombs.
jordan holmes
Put them in the refrigerator.
alex jones
And I'm going to break when we come back the exclusive of the bomb.
And see, we're given this by the FBI and by other people at Vegas, so when it comes out, we're right.
People can understand that there are good people in the government and InfoWars has real sources.
See, the patriots know how to save InfoWars.
They continue to give us the best information.
Two explosions in Austin.
One dead, two injured.
That was on Monday.
It was another one on March 2nd.
And Don, I'm going to give you the exclusive during the break.
And do me a favor.
Go get one of the security guys.
You know the one I'm talking about.
Because I want to be able to have him help you with this.
Because I meant to come in early and get with you and give you the details of the weapons.
The security guys?
These are bombs cooked on the front porch of the house.
It takes about 20 minutes.
They're a pressure-relieved bomb, and that's why it's so bizarre.
This person is, in broad daylight, mixing and cooking the bomb and then putting it on the porch, and when the person moves the weight off the top, it detonates.
And that's the main reason law enforcement wants us to go ahead and do this, because higher-ups are saying, don't release it.
They're like, no, people need to know if there's more of these bombs.
If there's something on your front porch, do not touch it.
We'll be right back.
dan friesen
That last thing is fine.
jordan holmes
Did you order anything from Amazon?
Don't touch it.
It's a home-cooked bomb.
dan friesen
That last piece of advice, don't touch it.
jordan holmes
Somebody just double-double-toiled and troubled you, my friend.
dan friesen
Well, so Alex is saying that his law enforcement sources have given this information so he can report it, and when the truth comes out...
jordan holmes
The police go to Infowars first to make him look good.
dan friesen
Right, so in the end, once all the facts are out...
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
We'll be like, oh shit, Alex does have real sources.
jordan holmes
Also, if you are cooking a bomb, take more than 20 minutes.
Be thorough.
dan friesen
I would assume...
jordan holmes
That's all I'm going to say.
dan friesen
Slow cook your bombs.
jordan holmes
Yeah, absolutely.
unidentified
Get a Dutch oven.
dan friesen
Do?
Yeah.
So, Alex's assertion here, and it doesn't change over the course of the show, the only things that he says about this secret information is that they are amateurish bombs, which I think anyone could assume.
jordan holmes
I would hope so.
dan friesen
Also, that someone is making them on porches.
jordan holmes
In front of their neighbors.
dan friesen
Which is crazy.
jordan holmes
It's a great idea.
dan friesen
That seems...
Unlikely.
Because it kind of undoes all of the advantages that bombing has.
One of the reasons that you bomb things are so you don't have to be there.
jordan holmes
That's a smart idea.
dan friesen
For very long.
You generally throw them.
Or...
Drop them somewhere and then run away.
jordan holmes
I see, like, one of those suburban cul-de-sacs where he's just out on the front porch, a nice little McMansion house, and he's just stirring up some bomb shit and waving it.
Hey, you're mowing your lawn?
It's a great day today.
I'm making a bomb!
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
You ever make a bomb?
dan friesen
It seems like that would put the would-be bomber in an incredibly vulnerable position.
jordan holmes
It's not a good idea.
dan friesen
It seems like...
And look, I don't know the reality of the situation.
I don't have fake sources.
But I do think that if you're going to bomb something, that is not the plan.
Like, that's not...
You would...
jordan holmes
If you...
dan friesen
If you Googled how to make a bomb and you found this result, sit on someone's porch for 20 minutes putting pieces together, you'd be like, I'm going to go to the next result.
jordan holmes
For the first time, I'm going to go to the second page of Google results.
dan friesen
That seems like a bad way to make a bomb.
jordan holmes
Not a good way to make a bomb.
dan friesen
But I don't know.
We'll see how this plays out.
Also, on Tuesday.
jordan holmes
How would you make a bomb?
dan friesen
I wouldn't.
Also on Wednesday.
jordan holmes
That's a less fun.
dan friesen
What?
I wouldn't make a bomb.
jordan holmes
I would make a bomb.
dan friesen
I'd make a bong of an apple.
jordan holmes
Nice.
Nice.
dan friesen
Or a mechanical pencil bong back in junior high.
jordan holmes
I think if I were capable of making a bomb, I might make a bomb.
unidentified
Not to use or abuse in any way.
dan friesen
You're physically capable.
jordan holmes
Yeah, but I'm not really capable.
dan friesen
Emotionally?
jordan holmes
I have a lot of fears built up inside about bombs.
dan friesen
Are you politically capable?
jordan holmes
Oh yeah, absolutely.
You've heard my political speak.
dan friesen
Yeah, that's fair.
So, on Wednesday, it also came out, not only is Alex Jones getting sued.
Fox News is getting sued.
jordan holmes
Yeah, by the Seth Rich family, right?
dan friesen
Seth Rich's parents.
jordan holmes
Thank God.
dan friesen
I'm going to read here from this Mother Jones article about it.
This is a lawsuit that's against Fox News, one of their reporters and a guest on Fox News.
The suit accuses Fox News reporter Malia Zimmerman and occasional guest Ed Butowski of having intentionally exploited Seth Rich's death by promoting the theory that Rich was killed after he leaked thousands of Democratic Party emails to WikiLeaks.
The nation's intelligence agencies have concluded that the Russian government directed the hack of Democratic emails.
The suit also claims that the defendants acted in such a way that it made it appear as if Joel and Mary Rich, Seth's parents, were involved in and confirmed the substance of the smear campaign.
unidentified
Yes.
jordan holmes
A failed robbery.
dan friesen
He died soon after at a nearby hospital.
He was conscious.
If it was some sort of assassination, he could have told the EMT.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
Any of those sorts of things.
But again, that is crazy for me to even say.
That is even like...
I think inappropriate.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And I want to walk that back.
unidentified
Absolutely.
dan friesen
But his killers were never caught.
D.C. police have said they believe Rich's killing was the result of a botched robbery.
In the absence of definitive answers, conspiracy theories have proliferated online claiming without evidence that Rich was murdered under more suspicious circumstances.
On May 16th, 2017, almost a year after Rich's death, Zimmerman, who's being sued, published a story that seemed to bolster these theories, titled, Slain DNC Staffer Had Contact With WikiLeaks Say Multiple Sources.
The report quoted an unnamed federal investigator who claimed to have Host Sean Hannity peddled Zimmerman's findings on multiple occasions.
Yet a week later, Fox retracted the story after the Rich family filed a complaint and the sources for Zimmerman's report refuted what she had written.
One of Zimmerman's supposed sources, a private investigator named Rod Wheeler, later filed his own suit against Fox News, Zimmerman, and Butowski for allegedly fabricating quotes attributed to him that connected Rich with WikiLeaks.
Also, there have been a number of emails from Botowski that have come out that are a part of this lawsuit.
One of them is going to read you here.
This is an email that Botowski wrote to a bunch of Fox News producers, including Steve Doocy, Gavin Haddon, Ainsley Earnhardt, and...
I would bomb Steve Doocy.
If you have any questions about the story or more information needed, call me at blank phone number.
I am actually the one who's putting this together, but as you know, I keep my name out of things because I have no credibility.
One of the big conclusions we need to draw from this is that the Russians did not hack our computer systems and steal emails, and there was no collusion with Trump and the Russians.
So there's a bunch of, like...
jordan holmes
That's a pretty incriminating email.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
People gotta not incriminate themselves with email.
dan friesen
And there are more.
Yeah, of course.
It's very clear.
And so this...
jordan holmes
These are the worst criminals.
They're so bad at it.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
They should learn how to make a bomb.
dan friesen
So, at this point...
jordan holmes
They are the porch bomb makers of news.
dan friesen
At this point, this lawsuit is going to be successful.
jordan holmes
Absolutely!
dan friesen
This is going to be a disastrous lawsuit, and it's going to be very difficult for the people on the right to have to deal with.
Roger Stone is also in play with this, because he pushed a lot of it on Alex's show.
But, here's the good news about this.
That lawsuit is not about saying that Seth Rich was killed because of the DNC hacks or anything like that.
It's about specifically This conspiracy that Ed Butowski, Malia Zimmerman, and executives at Fox conspired in.
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
That's what it's about.
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
So Alex knows that he can insinuate himself in it and try and flex and be like, come sue me because I talk about the Seth Rich shit too.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
And he knows he's safe because that's not what the lawsuit is about.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right, right.
dan friesen
So he postures a little bit here on this and then makes a weird admission.
jordan holmes
Is Fox News...
So with this lawsuit...
All right.
dan friesen
One of these days, I'm going to keep track of...
jordan holmes
How many times I interview...
Well, look, look, you say things, and then you're like, and now this next clip, and I don't have time to respond before you're mad at me for interrupting.
dan friesen
Interruption?
Totally fine.
jordan holmes
I disagree.
dan friesen
But when I say, in this next clip...
jordan holmes
But you always say something huge, and then you're like, and in this next clip, and it's like, I want to respond to this.
dan friesen
To be fair, all of that was set up for this clip.
jordan holmes
All right.
dan friesen
But anyway, sorry, go ahead.
jordan holmes
No, no, no.
dan friesen
I insist.
jordan holmes
After you.
dan friesen
You can have this dance.
unidentified
Okay.
jordan holmes
All right.
With this lawsuit, because it is not about what Fox News personality said, can they force an on-air apology?
Because I don't think that they're capable of doing that, right?
dan friesen
No.
jordan holmes
So what they can do is get a shit ton of money out of this, as well as censorship and all that kind of stuff, but...
They can't censorship, not censorship.
dan friesen
I think they could make, like, Ed Butowski or Malia Zimmerman make an apology.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Or something like that.
jordan holmes
But that's not who you want making an apology.
You want Hannity.
dan friesen
You want the Hannity and the Deuce.
jordan holmes
You want fucking Hannity and Deucey going on TV saying, we literally lied to you.
dan friesen
But I think you could introduce into the court record and all that that this story is a product of a conspiracy to commit fraud and propaganda.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
I don't know how helpful that is.
You're right.
jordan holmes
Yeah, because that's what you need out of this lawsuit, is you need these guys to go on Fox News and say, I lied, based on this conspiracy.
dan friesen
You know what, though?
I think that this case could be a building block, because if they're successful in this lawsuit, then you can establish that the story is based...
In this conspiracy between Ed Butowski, Malia Zimmerman, and Fox News executives.
jordan holmes
That's a good point.
dan friesen
And then at that point, you could probably bring smaller suits against people who pushed the narratives, especially the people who worked at Fox News.
jordan holmes
But they have plausible...
Well, they don't have plausible deniability, but they do have deniability.
dan friesen
But you couldn't sue them.
For damages or anything like that, but you could sue them to retract.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Or something like that.
unidentified
Right.
jordan holmes
But they already retracted the story.
dan friesen
Fox News did, but Sean Hannity said, I don't.
jordan holmes
Oh, really?
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
That fucking monster!
God, I hate Steve.
dan friesen
And Roger Stone hasn't.
jordan holmes
God, I hate him.
dan friesen
Roger Stone hasn't.
He was talking about it on the show the other day.
jordan holmes
Yeah, but Roger Stone is untouchable.
Somehow he is a miracle worker.
dan friesen
Fancy little Teflon.
jordan holmes
That dances around like a fucking...
Leprechaun and a goddamn fairy ring.
dan friesen
So anyway, in this next clip, Alex talks about that lawsuit.
I think he wants in, but only in as much as he knows he can't be in because of what the suit is actually about.
He wants in on the fake version of it that he's presenting.
jordan holmes
Yeah, which is a smart move for him.
dan friesen
But it doesn't exist.
Of course not.
jordan holmes
Which has never bothered him in the past.
dan friesen
He makes a startling admission at the end of this clip.
alex jones
And it's the same thing.
Fox News, the next day's suit.
Democratic Party funded, that's admitted, for questioning Seth Rich's murder and saying he might be the source.
dan friesen
That's not why.
Nope, it's not the suit.
alex jones
Of the WikiLeaks.
And then Hassan says, we don't give up sources, but it should be investigated because he's a source.
dan friesen
Not quite what he said.
alex jones
But see, it's this whole emotion thing.
Well, it's the parents, and they're suing.
She says she can't work anymore after her son was killed because of the murder and coverage.
Lady, I'm sorry Seth got killed.
We're trying to find out who did it.
There still haven't been found.
And if we investigate that, are you going to sue me?
dan friesen
You're not investigating.
alex jones
Well, I've got to keep speaking.
See, I'm not here to get my own bacon out of things.
I'm here to try to get all our bacon out of the fire.
So, people that are self-centered out there think, oh, Jones, man, he's got all these lawsuits against him.
Oh, my God.
Did you know that actually we're budgeting all this out?
It's always the same.
It's crazy.
As each suit comes in, More money comes in, and it's always what's budgeted for what we need.
It's biblical.
dan friesen
Oh, what a coincidence.
unidentified
No!
dan friesen
What a coincidence.
unidentified
No!
dan friesen
The more I get sued, and the more I scream about how, if you don't give me money, we'll be destroyed, more money comes in.
jordan holmes
We budget it.
dan friesen
Almost like it's biblical.
jordan holmes
Boy, boy.
dan friesen
That's fucked up.
jordan holmes
That's fucked up.
dan friesen
Yeah.
He shouldn't say stuff like that on the air.
jordan holmes
That is fucked up!
dan friesen
Yeah, but again, you see what he's doing there.
He's creating a fake version of the lawsuit in order to, you know, like, flex for his audience and be like...
jordan holmes
Right, right, right.
dan friesen
Look, we care more about solving your son's murder than you do, lady.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
So are you going to get mad when we investigate it?
And by investigate, I mean use him as a prop.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
I would be mad.
jordan holmes
Give me any sign of an investigation that they've done.
dan friesen
I don't have one.
jordan holmes
Any.
Any.
Like, anything.
dan friesen
Well, I don't have one.
jordan holmes
Like, did they even do interviews?
dan friesen
Well, hold on.
Does hearsay count as investigation?
jordan holmes
That's a good point.
dan friesen
Because if so, they've done a lot.
jordan holmes
In court, sure doesn't.
dan friesen
So, at this point, we're in Wednesday.
unidentified
Yes.
dan friesen
And on Tuesday evening, there was a special election in the Pennsylvania 18th District.
jordan holmes
Right.
It didn't go well for anybody.
dan friesen
I think it went great for Democrats.
Technically speaking.
jordan holmes
For Democrats, not for the humans.
dan friesen
Well, yeah.
Conor Lamb isn't the greatest candidate ever.
jordan holmes
No.
No, he's not.
dan friesen
But what you take away from that district going plus 20 for Trump before, and then a dead heat.
Now, you look at numbers like that, and you're like, oh boy.
That matches up with a lot of other things we've seen.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
This sort of normalization coming to the middle.
jordan holmes
I mean, it's just the Republican light is the reason we got Republican hard.
That's the issue.
unidentified
That's it.
jordan holmes
That's the situation that gave us Trump in the fucking first place.
This idea of neoliberalism being a fucking thing.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
It's not.
It's just republicanism 30 years ago.
That's all neoliberalism is.
Republicanism isn't a word.
dan friesen
I don't necessarily want to engage with that because it's irrelevant to the matter at hand.
jordan holmes
Fair enough.
dan friesen
I don't care.
I don't live in Pennsylvania.
unidentified
Good point.
dan friesen
I'm not a Conor Lamb supporter necessarily.
Also, Scott Adams ends up coming on the show today.
jordan holmes
God damn it!
dan friesen
We're not going to listen to him.
But it is funny because Alex keeps calling him Dilbert accidentally.
jordan holmes
That's hilarious.
dan friesen
He's like, we got Scott Dilbert.
I mean, Scott Adams is on the show.
He does it like four times.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And Scott Adams' argument is that Conor Lamb won because he's the person who reminded voters most of Trump.
jordan holmes
That doesn't track...
dan friesen
Solid spin, though.
jordan holmes
It is solid spin.
dan friesen
So anyway, here's Alex...
jordan holmes
It could be that the other candidate was the dumbest possible fucking candidate they could ever have run.
dan friesen
Hey!
I don't know.
Seems to be a trend.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
That's a good point.
dan friesen
Roy Moore.
jordan holmes
That's a good point.
dan friesen
Anyway, here's Alex's take on the Pennsylvania election.
Spoiler alert.
The Democrats stole it.
alex jones
And I haven't even gotten into the special congressional election.
You know, the big question is, did the Democrats cheat?
The Democrats only winning by that congressional special election, 641 votes.
They said he was 10 points ahead the whole time.
That's how they manipulate the population.
People have a bandwagon effect.
jordan holmes
Nope.
alex jones
And...
dan friesen
That's an argument that he keeps making is that like the Democrats say that their guy is going to win by a bunch.
They said that Doug Jones is going to win by a ton.
And that makes the right disenfranchised and not want to come out.
That's a dumb argument.
jordan holmes
The more the right would feel threatened, the more likely they are to come out.
Like, every report on all of that shit was like...
Holy shit, he's only down by three!
That's bananas!
dan friesen
Yeah, yeah.
And when he says he's up ten or whatever, it's up, like, the predictions were up ten versus...
jordan holmes
Compared to, yes.
dan friesen
...the 2016 race.
unidentified
Exactly.
dan friesen
It wasn't that he was, he'd made a 30-point swing.
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
So anyway, Democrats stole it.
unidentified
Obviously.
alex jones
He's already declared victory.
Pope.
Look at that.
Another smiley-faced establishment henchman of the globalists.
jordan holmes
Yay!
Attack his appearance.
alex jones
And all of that's unfolding.
The Democrats organized people all over the place to get folks to vote in the names of dead people.
It's on record.
So if somebody loses in a big state by 600, you better believe they got it stolen.
The polls said Roy Moore was 15 points behind.
Do you mean like George fucking Bush?
Some precincts had more people vote than were on the voter rolls for the Democrat.
dan friesen
This is interesting.
What he's saying, essentially, is that if you ever have a close race, that shit was stolen.
jordan holmes
Has he ever seen the...
I feel like he saw the movie Black Sheep starring what?
Chris Farley?
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
And he was like, well, that's obviously how elections work.
This old white lady goes crazy.
dan friesen
So, I mean, you really want to get...
I don't fucking care.
unidentified
You know what my problem with black sheep?
jordan holmes
Didn't get enough into policy.
Really, at this point, I don't know who to be rooting for.
dan friesen
That's a fair point.
I didn't mean that I don't want to get into what you're talking about.
I don't want to get into what Alex is talking about because it's fucking stupid and it's just like...
If the Republican had won by 640 votes, he would have been like, congratulations on defeating the Democratic onslaught.
jordan holmes
Against all odds.
Yeah, exactly.
Against the polling saying that you would never win.
This is Trump 2.0 is what this is.
dan friesen
But he says something unfortunate at the end there, where he says that more votes were cast than registered voters.
jordan holmes
Right.
Like in Black Sheep.
dan friesen
And they all went to Democrats.
jordan holmes
Like in Black Sheep.
dan friesen
You can trace this back to an article on a website called Daily World Update.
jordan holmes
That's gotta be a bad website.
dan friesen
It's a political trolling and satire website.
jordan holmes
Of course!
dan friesen
It's a completely fake website.
jordan holmes
Also, if people were voting in the names of dead people, they could have just voted in their own names.
dan friesen
Well, they could have done that, yeah.
jordan holmes
They're not voting.
What he's saying is not that they're voting twice.
unidentified
No, no, no, he is.
jordan holmes
It's that they're just, like, voting in the names of dead people.
unidentified
No, no, he is.
dan friesen
He's saying they're voting ten times in the names of dead people.
jordan holmes
Oh, yeah?
dan friesen
And shit like that.
There's actually a really interesting rant he goes on where he's talking about how, like, everybody says it's the illegals.
It's not.
It's winos.
jordan holmes
That is an interesting argument.
So he's saying that the homeless are voting?
dan friesen
Well, he's had to move on because of the toxicity of these hearings about Chris Kobosh's voter inquiry shit that he's done.
jordan holmes
Do you mean the fact that it was the fucking worst?
dan friesen
Where they were analyzing people's names to see if they were Anglo?
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
That sort of stuff is nuts.
That is unscientific and racist.
Alex realizes enough that he's like, I gotta twist this narrative a little bit.
Hobos.
It was hobos.
jordan holmes
I mean, but hobos have the legal right to vote.
dan friesen
They get them a bunch of whiskey and they stumble in drunk to voting places and are like, yeah, I'm him.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Why haven't we seen that in presidential election coverage?
Like, okay, we break down the white vote, the black vote, and the drunk vote.
Have we considered adding the drunk vote?
How much does the drunk vote swing an election?
dan friesen
It's not real.
This is all nonsense.
jordan holmes
I want that put into demographics.
dan friesen
You want the hobo vote?
I want the hobo vote.
jordan holmes
If I ever get elected for anything, it's going to be because of the hobo.
dan friesen
I think one of the unfortunate things that you're going to run into for your political career and aspirations...
jordan holmes
Threatening to bomb Steve Ducey?
dan friesen
Well, that's going to be a part of it.
jordan holmes
That might be a popular thing, though.
dan friesen
Another part of it, too, is that a lot of the times you're going to run into a lot of felonies in the homeless community, in the hobo community.
jordan holmes
They don't tend to have the right to vote as much.
dan friesen
Yeah, you're going to run into a lot of...
People enthusiastically on your side.
jordan holmes
It is true!
dan friesen
But without rights.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Hey, great.
Our justice system is awesome.
dan friesen
Well, I mean, you can only...
Really be on drugs and loiter for so long before you get a trumped-up charge of some sort.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Or just have a severe mental illness and have been kicked out because Reagan destroyed the...
Anyways.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Anyways, if you think Reagan was a good president, fuck off.
dan friesen
So speaking of people with mental illness...
unidentified
Yes.
dan friesen
At this point on the show...
jordan holmes
Andy and Kendrick.
dan friesen
At this point in the show, on Wednesday, Alex Jones has his...
Boy, it's tough to figure out who's the worst.
It's either first or second worst guest of the day.
Because Dilbert doesn't rank.
He's just boring.
No, he's just nonsense.
jordan holmes
He's just the guy who made Dilbert.
Who gives a shit what he has to think?
dan friesen
Yeah, and you know what?
The stuff he's saying is not good.
But he's so boring.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
He's like Dilbert.
dan friesen
He's a David Knight-ish kind of boring, where he sounds analytical, but what he's saying is just nonsense.
He's like, we don't have to worry about these kids walking out of their schools to protest gun laws, because the kids are the stupidest people in the society.
Like, eh.
jordan holmes
Sure doesn't seem like it.
Scott Adams, creator of Dilbert?
dan friesen
Hey, Dilbert.
jordan holmes
Maybe.
dan friesen
Hey, Dilbert.
The reason they're protesting is they don't want to get shot at school.
unidentified
It seems like that's a smart move.
dan friesen
But he still doesn't rank.
jordan holmes
Not creating Catbert.
dan friesen
Catbert was actually my favorite character.
Because I like cats.
jordan holmes
Oh, okay.
dan friesen
And I like that song, Cool for Cats.
By Squeeze.
Is it by Squeeze?
jordan holmes
I don't think he made that song, though.
dan friesen
So the two top...
Awful guests on the show are Steve Pachenik and one...
jordan holmes
Steve Pachenik keeping his streak alive.
dan friesen
One Gavin McGinnis.
jordan holmes
Oh, no!
How is he still around?
dan friesen
Boy, he hasn't been around.
jordan holmes
Who hasn't bombed him?
dan friesen
He hasn't been around for a while.
It's been a long time since I've seen him on Alex's show.
So, when we last met Gavin McGinnis, he was saying that most blackface was reverent.
jordan holmes
Right.
Yep.
dan friesen
I believe.
jordan holmes
Sounds right.
dan friesen
He's created the definitely not racist, not misogynistic fraternity.
The Proud Boys and the Fraternal Knights of the Proud Boys go around and try and beat people up at liberal rallies and what have you.
jordan holmes
You know, like Gallagher, too, he bought Al Jolson's material, and he's been going around as Al Jolson, too.
You know that, right?
dan friesen
I've heard that.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
I've heard that.
jordan holmes
That's a very famous truth.
dan friesen
Back then, he was working for Rebel Media.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
He had a show on Rebel Media, did the Gavin McGinnis show.
And then I believe he left that and started working for Opie.
Not Opie.
unidentified
I was going to say, Opie ain't there no more, neither.
dan friesen
Anthony Cumia.
He started working for Anthony Cumia at Compound Media, I believe, because that's his business.
And he had a Gavin McGinnis show there, but I believe that has since ended.
And now he has another show that I believe is just on YouTube.
jordan holmes
Is it also called The Gavin McGinnis Show?
dan friesen
No, get this.
It's called...
Get off my lawn.
jordan holmes
These are the least imagine- How do we lose?
These are the least imaginative people in the world!
dan friesen
We're not losing to Gavin McGinnis.
jordan holmes
No, that's true.
dan friesen
Gavin McGinnis sucks so much.
jordan holmes
He probably has more viewers than us.
dan friesen
Yeah, he probably.
Oh, absolutely.
Absolutely.
jordan holmes
In a certain sense, we are losing to the get-off-my-lawn show.
dan friesen
Like, if we one time just decided to do, like, with our abilities and our intelligence, just decided to do an episode where we were intentionally antagonistic and racist...
I bet we'd get a lot of new followers.
jordan holmes
I agree.
I agree.
I think you're right.
dan friesen
They would quickly learn, like, oh, we got fucked!
And some of our fans would be like, that was not worth it.
jordan holmes
Yeah, of course not.
dan friesen
So we will never do something like that.
unidentified
But yeah, it's very, very easy to attract followers when you're hateful.
jordan holmes
Here's what we should do.
When you're hateful, it resonates.
We should do the opposite of that.
We should call our show Get On My Lawn.
And then the next recommendation...
So if we get popular enough with Get On My Lawn...
dan friesen
That's not even the opposite.
jordan holmes
After watching Get Off My Lawn, the next recommended video will be Get On My Lawn.
dan friesen
That's not the opposite.
jordan holmes
What's the opposite?
dan friesen
Get On My Yard.
Get On My...
jordan holmes
Yard on my lawn.
dan friesen
There we go.
jordan holmes
Get on the yard of my lawn.
dan friesen
Go yard on my lawn.
We're playing baseball now.
jordan holmes
Okay, there we go.
Hit a couple dingers on my lawn.
dan friesen
So, Gavin McGinnis sucks.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
He's the worst, and I'd like to apologize to our listeners for making you listen to him, but it's worth it on some level.
jordan holmes
How did he...
How did these guys become successful?
dan friesen
Well, he started Vice.
jordan holmes
Right.
No, exactly.
dan friesen
That's how he got successful.
How did he...
jordan holmes
How is it that this monster...
dan friesen
He started Vice and then quickly got kicked out.
jordan holmes
Right.
Because of...
Of course.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Because he hired people who were like, ooh, we work for Gavin McGinnis.
alex jones
Shit.
dan friesen
And this really weird, fairly hostile, abusive, male-dominated workplace would be much more fun without that guy.
So they kicked him out.
He made some money.
Far out is telling me in the chat room that he was on Kenny vs.
Spenny, which I don't care about.
That is interesting trivia, but certainly does not explain his celebrity.
jordan holmes
Yeah, Gavin.
You were too toxic male to work at a toxically masculine place.
dan friesen
Yeah, early.
Yeah.
unidentified
So...
dan friesen
Ooh, that's a good one.
Prop Adu said a good version of it would be redo my lawn.
unidentified
Oh, there you go.
dan friesen
Which turns into a home improvement show.
unidentified
Oh, boy.
jordan holmes
Like home improvement.
dan friesen
I gotcha.
jordan holmes
All right.
dan friesen
So here's the first clip.
jordan holmes
I'm terrible at the Tim Allen grunt.
unidentified
So...
dan friesen
Alex introduces Gavin McGinnis, and he says he's the host of the show Get Off My Lawn, and I almost did a spit take.
jordan holmes
Because that's a crazy name for a show!
unidentified
It's so hacky, it's so on the nose, we're like, I'm a fucking pissed off white guy!
dan friesen
It's so stupid.
So I was like, that's crazy.
And then he's like, hey Gavin, what's on your mind?
And then there's a long pause.
It's like, oh, your mic wasn't on.
So Gavin's in the middle of a rant.
unidentified
Right?
dan friesen
So he's talking and you see his mouth moving but no audio.
jordan holmes
Was he very animated as well?
Just doing the whole arm?
dan friesen
Gavin's never animated.
So he's talking.
jordan holmes
So it was directed by Clint Eastwood then?
dan friesen
Yes.
Who also wants people off his mind.
jordan holmes
Exactly!
That's what I'm saying!
dan friesen
So Gavin's talking with no audio.
jordan holmes
When he made that movie?
dan friesen
Gran Torino?
jordan holmes
No, no, no.
Gran Turismo.
dan friesen
Boy, it's close.
jordan holmes
It's a great movie.
dan friesen
One's a video game, I think.
jordan holmes
A lot of racing.
dan friesen
What's Gran Torino?
jordan holmes
A lot of racist racing.
dan friesen
That was a Cardigans album.
Big fan of the Cardigans.
Love food.
My favorite game.
Strong songs.
jordan holmes
There you go.
dan friesen
Anyway, Jordan, I'm only engaging with all this because I also don't want to listen to Gavin McGinnis.
I know we have to.
jordan holmes
Yes, let's delay.
dan friesen
I know we have to.
jordan holmes
If you were going to bob, how would you bob?
dan friesen
I feel like that's the worst possible way for you to try and make more time.
Hey, let's go back to another thing Dan didn't want to talk about.
jordan holmes
All right, fair enough.
Fair enough!
No, you're not wrong.
It is a bad callback for the particular situation.
dan friesen
So get off my lawn is introduced.
Alex says, what's on your mind?
Big silence.
Gavin's in the middle of a rant.
jordan holmes
Technical difficulties.
dan friesen
And then Alex tells him, hey man.
We didn't have the mic on.
Start it over.
jordan holmes
Because nothing is more genuine than restarting a rant.
dan friesen
Start it over.
jordan holmes
Restart that rant.
dan friesen
Gavin McGinnis, take two.
And this is what comes.
gavin mcinnes
Here's what I can't stop thinking about today.
So George Soros, according to AJ Plus, according to some washed-up comedian named Matt Lieb that I just saw, did a video about this.
George Soros, according to the left, is not a Nazi.
I know that he led the Nazis.
Two Jewish homes where they were then exterminated.
I know in 60 Minutes he said that was the happiest time of his life.
We know that he doesn't identify with Judaism.
He's an atheist and his dad hated Jews.
But he's not a Nazi.
However, anti-globalists such as Alan Dershowitz, Dennis Prager, Ben Shapiro, Levant, all of these Jewish anti-globalists, well, they are Nazis, you see.
And it's amazing the pretzel that they can twist their own logic into.
When it comes to this ridiculous Nazi allegation.
dan friesen
So, we have a very interesting start to the interview.
jordan holmes
There's one thing that anti-Semitic people always say, and that is that the Jews are the Nazis.
dan friesen
Right.
That's a part of Holocaust denial, especially.
jordan holmes
Then they insist that they are not anti-Semitic.
dan friesen
Well, I mean, a very large part of the Holocaust denial community isn't necessarily saying that the Holocaust didn't happen.
jordan holmes
No, they're just saying that the Jews are the reason it happened.
dan friesen
Yeah, because they demanded ransoms for people and forced their brethren into...
jordan holmes
No, absolutely.
dan friesen
But, I mean, what Gavin is really manifesting there is he's triggered.
He's a triggered little butthurt baby.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Because his friends are being called Nazis, and it turns out that George Soros, no one wants to call him a Nazi except my friends who keep getting called Nazis.
unidentified
Right, right, right.
dan friesen
And why won't anyone else call him a Nazi based on these things that aren't true that I keep saying about him?
And Alex says, it's nuts.
jordan holmes
That is coincidental.
dan friesen
It's very nuts.
jordan holmes
I think it's obviously the Pope.
dan friesen
Oh, it's certainly the Jesuits.
unidentified
Yep.
jordan holmes
Because if there's one thing I know about Catholics, historically, they love the Jews.
There has never been a huge issue with the Catholics and the Jews.
dan friesen
So the reality of where we've gone over and over again with George Soros...
jordan holmes
Not a Nazi.
He was a Nazi.
Kind of a Nazi.
Not sure.
Anyways, he wasn't actively killing Jews.
dan friesen
No, he was going after people who had been taken to camps along with his godparent who he was in hiding with when he was 14. Wasn't a hero.
jordan holmes
Wasn't a martyr.
unidentified
No.
jordan holmes
But still not the Nazi they describe him as.
dan friesen
Certainly not.
Nazi collaborator is Alex Jones being able to get away with linguistic games.
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
Because he knows that Soros is never going to sue him for that.
jordan holmes
Like Gran Turismo.
dan friesen
Anything like that.
It's just a shit game that he's playing, and all it is is he's trying to...
Here's what we have to deal with.
Here's what we fucking have to deal with right up top.
Gavin McGinnis thinks he's a comedian.
They all do.
jordan holmes
Not all of them.
dan friesen
Especially Gavin.
jordan holmes
Not all of them, but so many of these guys, whenever he says washed-up comedian, it's like...
So many of these right-wing guys, you can find them at an open mic.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
And it's like, you're the least funny person, and you didn't get why.
dan friesen
And he said that the reason that he never succeeded as a comedian is because he's on the right, and people kept him down.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, of course.
dan friesen
As opposed to, like, when I was listening to this...
jordan holmes
Yeah, comedy is famous for people...
Who are not at all explosive and provocative.
unidentified
Edgy.
Yeah.
dan friesen
When I was listening to this, all I wanted to...
I kept writing drafts of tweets I never sent out.
But they were just like, Gavin McGinnis is straight up on Infowars right now doing bits that wouldn't pass muster at an open mic.
unidentified
Right.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
dan friesen
He's just...
He's doing comedy.
But he's doing it...
I have a new theory that I've been working out.
Specifically, I've been thinking a lot about Gavin McGinnis in the last couple days because of this appearance.
jordan holmes
Right.
Also because you've been drinking a lot of Guinness recently, right?
dan friesen
I haven't.
No, I don't like that dessert beer.
I don't like a stout.
I don't like a stout.
It's too thick.
I believe that...
jordan holmes
You offended my people.
dan friesen
Your people?
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
Okay.
jordan holmes
The Jews.
dan friesen
Jewish stouts.
I believe that people like Gavin McGinnis, they present themselves as doing comedy and being political commentators with the awareness that they're bad at both.
They know that.
And so anytime their political opinions are shitty, they can be like, I was joking.
unidentified
I'm a comedian.
dan friesen
Why are you taking me so seriously?
And then when they're not funny, they can be like, I'm a political commentator.
I'm trying to make you think.
That wasn't supposed to be funny.
jordan holmes
They're trying to play the line.
dan friesen
Yeah.
And it's really sad.
And it's fun on this episode a little bit because you got Alex Jones and him doing a two-man act.
And Alex...
jordan holmes
The worst two-man act.
dan friesen
But Alex doesn't...
He has no improv training.
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
So he can't go along with things.
And so he kind of ruins bits a little bit along the way.
jordan holmes
It's not even like you need improv training for what he's doing.
You just need a basic knowledge of...
Don't negate the premise.
And he does not have that at all.
dan friesen
No, but Alex doesn't even really understand what the premise is generally.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
He doesn't realize...
Anything.
So, at this point, when Gavin is saying, like, all this shit about George Soros and how, like, my friends aren't Nazis.
Everyone calls them Nazis.
Why won't more people call George Soros Nazis?
Alex is like...
jordan holmes
Because your friends are Nazis.
dan friesen
Alex is like, hey, I actually have video...
I have a video clip prepared that shows that George Soros is a Nazi.
unidentified
Ooh!
dan friesen
And so this...
jordan holmes
Oh, this is gonna prove it, then!
unidentified
This is...
jordan holmes
Just like Endgame, this is gonna prove everything that he knows.
dan friesen
This is Alex Jones saying that, like, here's my demonstration.
That George Soros is guilty of the things I say that he's guilty of.
But, when we get to the end of this, it will make clear he is actually proving that he is committing slander.
jordan holmes
So, did he say first, does anybody like impressions?
dan friesen
No, he doesn't do that.
jordan holmes
And then did he say, here's what I think Soros would sound like if he were a Nazi.
dan friesen
No, no, no.
He just plays, I mean, this is just a, like...
One of the things he plays coming back from break sometimes, when he has to fill commercials and he doesn't have any, because he doesn't have any sponsors, he just plays this, that sort of thing.
alex jones
Here's some of the clips that Gavin McGinnis was talking about, where Soros said it was the best time of his life.
He's not ashamed at all.
You know, he'd do it again.
He helped round up Jews.
Here it is.
dan friesen
Real quick, before this video starts, it's very clear that Alex says he rounded up Jews.
jordan holmes
He rounded them up.
dan friesen
So that's what this video clip is going to prove.
jordan holmes
In Texas parlance, that means he laced him.
dan friesen
He roped him up.
jordan holmes
And then put him in the thing.
dan friesen
Yep.
unidentified
It's the claim that the August protest was some sort of left-wing plot.
Who, you might ask, would say something so offensive?
An elected representative who's serving right now in the U.S. Congress.
dan friesen
And look at the background.
unidentified
George Soros is one of those people that actually helps back these individuals.
jordan holmes
Who is he?
unidentified
My understanding is that you went out with this protector of yours who swore that you were his adopted godson.
Yes.
Went out, in fact, and helped in the confiscation of property from the Jews.
that side.
It's...
Was it difficult?
Not at all.
dan friesen
Right there already, I have to pause it because Alex has selectively edited this.
Of course.
The interview wasn't asking if it was difficult for him to do it.
He's asking if it was difficult to...
jordan holmes
If you are one of our many new listeners, first off, thank you.
Second, refer back to...
All of our episodes.
Right.
Where when we discuss how Soros is not a Nazi.
dan friesen
It bears mentioning, though, just the specifically manipulative way he has edited this down.
Yeah.
Talking about what he's asking, the interviewer is asking him from 60 Minutes, he's asking him if the awareness was difficult for him as he got older.
jordan holmes
He was a child.
dan friesen
No, it is not difficult, and he says the reason is because...
I knew that if I didn't do it, someone else would have done it.
And what he's saying by that is...
jordan holmes
I like to live!
dan friesen
They were already gone to the camps.
If I didn't do it, someone else would have done it.
And he even says in the interview pretty clearly, I didn't go along with him all that often.
It was a very occasional thing.
So anyway, he's just manipulatively editing this, but let's get to the end of it.
unidentified
Do you think George Soros funded the neo-Nazis who marched in Charlottesville?
Wouldn't it be interesting to find out?
jordan holmes
It would be interesting to find out if that were true.
dan friesen
That's from that Vice special about the Charlottesville rally.
jordan holmes
It would be so interesting to find out.
dan friesen
Yeah.
unidentified
These conspiracy theories were first spread by radio talk show host Alex Jones.
alex jones
Is this lost on anyone?
George Soros is a famous Nazi collaborator.
unidentified
From the front lines of the information war, it's Alex Jones.
dan friesen
So that last part in there just makes it...
jordan holmes
That's not a good clip.
dan friesen
No, it's just a bumper package.
That's what he's like, hey, Kevin, this will prove it.
It doesn't prove any of the stuff he says.
It has nothing to do with him rounding up Jews.
The stuff about the best time of my life, that even isn't in there.
He did say that in the...
jordan holmes
You should put that in there.
If I was putting...
Why are we always giving advice to them?
If I was creating a scare clip, I would definitely put just that.
And then maybe like a little bumper of like...
So you worked with the Nazis and then cut it and then it'd be like, it was the best time of my life.
And then you'd call it.
dan friesen
When he was talking about it being the best time of his life, he was referring to being that age and being somewhat free given the sacrifices his father had made.
jordan holmes
And, of course, he was a huge Green Day fan.
dan friesen
Yes, absolutely.
It's something unpredictable, being in the Holocaust.
jordan holmes
That would be a very interesting song.
unidentified
But in the end, still not right.
jordan holmes
Where's Weird Al when you need him?
dan friesen
Thank God Soros had the time of his life.
So anyway, in this next clip, Gavin and Alex do a little bit of two-man comedy about how liberals just mad at their daddies.
alex jones
And then it's just that they're going, why do they hate Christians?
Why do they?
But then they always want to get into the countries that have the Christian ethos.
gavin mcinnes
Yeah, it's a bizarre thing.
I'm convinced it's daddy issues.
You know, these children are all the children of divorce.
They're mad at dad.
I mean, they're mad at anti-Semitism when it's a white male because a white male reminds them of their dad.
They're not mad when it's Reverend Wright or Louis Farrakhan or Linda Sarsour or basically all of Islam.
They don't mind it then.
So they're not about ideas.
They're about who's saying the idea.
And the common thread seems to be guys who look like you and me.
And who else looks like that?
Their dad.
So we're dealing with petulant children who are still butthurt about a divorce that 50% of the country goes through.
Grow up, baby.
dan friesen
Real quick, we'll get back to it again.
jordan holmes
And why don't they make the black box out of juice?
dan friesen
Right, exactly.
I mean, we'll get back to it later, like the rest of this clip, but that's just, that's a bad bit.
unidentified
Yeah, that's pathetic.
dan friesen
That's just a bad bit.
Like, it's not, that's not analysis, that's not interesting, that's not political, that's not even socially relevant.
It's just something he's trying to workshop.
jordan holmes
So if I understand his premise correctly, it is that...
We're mad that he's an anti-Semite because he looks like our dads.
dan friesen
Well, the anti-Semitism isn't even actually what makes us mad.
It's that he looks like Daddy.
unidentified
Daddy!
jordan holmes
Oh, just that, period.
dan friesen
Daddy, I'm mad at you, Daddy!
jordan holmes
He does not look like my dad.
Is it just because he's white?
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Is it just because we're mad that we have white fathers?
dan friesen
Yeah, I think that's what he's talking about.
jordan holmes
That's a bad bit.
dan friesen
Alex also doesn't look like my dad.
Also, I want to...
jordan holmes
Gavin, I'm just going to give you a little bit of advice.
Comedy's in specificity.
dan friesen
Well, there's that.
Also in creativity.
Also in making your premise make sense.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
There's a lot of things that are important with comedy.
jordan holmes
Following through with it.
Creating your own logic.
Absolutely.
dan friesen
I would say...
Personally, I find anti-Semitism, wherever it exists, offensive.
jordan holmes
I'm a pretty bad...
I'm not a huge fan.
dan friesen
Those people are not targets of mine, necessarily, specifically because we do an Alex Jones podcast.
But that doesn't mean that they're off the hook.
I believe whenever Alex Jones went over to Farrakhan, we made it very clear that the reason they got along is because they're both anti-Semites.
jordan holmes
I can be against Israel's apartheid state, and at the same time, against anti-Semitism.
dan friesen
Yeah.
And also, my parents are super liberal.
jordan holmes
Also, my parents aren't, and I'm still not mad at you because you look at my dad.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Because you look like my dad.
dan friesen
Do you look at my dad?
We come from very different backgrounds.
Neither are mad at Alex because of our daddy.
jordan holmes
Speaking of which, my parents saw me do stand-up for the very first time.
I did not have the courage to do my cult bit.
I wanted to do it, and then I was advised by the rest of my family, my girlfriend, everybody who has ever seen me do stand-up was like, don't do the cult bit in front of your parents.
dan friesen
You know who would have done that bit?
Gavin McGinnis.
jordan holmes
Gavin McGinnis would have done that.
dan friesen
He wouldn't have written the bit because it's funny.
jordan holmes
No, it's very funny.
dan friesen
Anyway, here's the rest of this.
jordan holmes
That's not true.
dan friesen
Here's the rest of this stupid analysis about Daddy!
alex jones
I used to think you were wrong about this theory two years ago, but now when leftists walk up to me and say, F you, they go, F you, why do you have so many kids?
F your family in front of me.
jordan holmes
Or they say, oh, where's your family?
alex jones
I'm by myself.
My kids are with me 75% of the time, and I'm glad they're with their mom, son, whatever, fine.
The point is, is that they're pissed I have a family, and they are pissed, and it's usually weird white males.
jordan holmes
Weird white males!
alex jones
And again, I'm not against gay people, but it's like half the time it's an old white woman or it's gay guys screaming, F you Nazi and F your family, why do you have kids?
And I guess, I don't understand it.
I don't know what happened to these people.
dan friesen
I can explain it.
jordan holmes
That's the most I'm not racist butt you can get about gay people.
dan friesen
Kind of, but I can explain it.
Everyone hates you.
jordan holmes
It's very direct.
dan friesen
No one's mad that you have a family.
People yelling, hey, didn't you lose your kids?
They're trying to hurt you.
jordan holmes
Personally.
dan friesen
Because you hurt everyone.
jordan holmes
Because you're a piece of shit.
dan friesen
Yeah.
You hurt the public discourse.
You hurt everyone.
You're, I mean, the enemy of...
But Gavin gets into that, too, and he talks about how everyone keeps sending me messages on Twitter and all over the place about they want to attack my marriage and be like, you're going to get divorced soon.
It's not about...
jordan holmes
I love that it's not...
Oh, sorry.
Keep going.
dan friesen
The point I was going to make is that it's not about attacking the family or attacking your family.
It's using your family to attack you.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Because we hate...
alex jones
You.
dan friesen
Now, I think that the people's approach is flawed, but I get it.
jordan holmes
I just love that it's not Twitter people first.
It's people...
It's always people just walking by them on the street.
dan friesen
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
It's always just...
Oh, I'm trying...
dan friesen
You mean you make the part where he's lying?
jordan holmes
I am trying to go to Aldi, where I shop, because I support small businesses or something.
unidentified
I really just like three liters of soda instead of two.
jordan holmes
And people are coming up to me on the street.
Always.
Always people coming up down the street.
Especially gay people.
gavin mcinnes
Which does not hate.
dan friesen
Always seems to be gay people.
jordan holmes
Doesn't hate.
It's just always old white women and gay people.
unidentified
Right.
jordan holmes
All he's saying, he doesn't hate white women and gay people, but old white women and gay people hate him.
dan friesen
Because he has a family.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that might be because.
dan friesen
He goes on to say that the left, their religion is destroying the family.
jordan holmes
Oh, it's the religion.
dan friesen
It's all a lot of nonsense.
jordan holmes
Destroying the family.
You know how gay people who are in stable marriages are adopting people?
Do you know why?
Destroying the family.
dan friesen
Obvious.
Obviously.
Boy, there's a weird...
Far out's getting fancy in the chat room.
Left some weird image.
jordan holmes
Is he using words like cause celeb?
dan friesen
No, there's a weird image and I thought we had an infiltrator I don't know.
unidentified
All right.
dan friesen
Anyway.
jordan holmes
Calm it down.
dan friesen
I got worried.
jordan holmes
Calm it down.
dan friesen
So, in this next clip, look, my dude.
jordan holmes
Okay.
Is this how we're starting this next clip?
dan friesen
We got a chat.
We got a vibe about something.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
Here's how Gavin McGinnis would like to present the difference between himself and the left.
jordan holmes
Marty against this.
dan friesen
The left.
unidentified
Is into identity politics.
jordan holmes
Always.
Always.
dan friesen
Gavin is an idea man.
jordan holmes
Oh, of course.
dan friesen
He's an idea guy.
jordan holmes
Of course.
These guys are not at all interested in white identity politics.
unidentified
Never.
dan friesen
Now they have some ideas.
jordan holmes
I mean, yeah, sure.
dan friesen
They have some ideas about how whites are great.
jordan holmes
Might be.
Might be.
But it's not identity politics because...
dan friesen
They have some ideas about, like, how the whites are the best.
jordan holmes
I was really struggling to find a reason.
dan friesen
Yeah, sorry.
I had to jump in there.
Like, Western chauvinist supremacy.
jordan holmes
Oh, it's the West!
dan friesen
Right?
jordan holmes
It's the West.
It's always the West.
dan friesen
But that's how he couches his ideas.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right.
dan friesen
Patrick McInnes has an idea, man.
unidentified
Oh, yeah!
dan friesen
So in this next clip, he talks about some of his ideas.
And I will say ahead of time, he is fucking stupid.
And then at the end of this, he says, Fucking craziest things I've ever heard in my life.
This is legitimately crazier than blackface was reverent.
jordan holmes
Alright, I'm in.
gavin mcinnes
Well, those people came up to you at the mall, the grocery store, and they said you have too many kids.
Oh, okay.
Alright, let's talk about ideas.
So your concern is overpopulation.
Okay, let me look it up.
Oh, it turns out that the American citizens, they tend to have a population that's stationary or going down.
The American population is going up.
But it's almost all immigrants, mostly Mexican going up.
So you must hate them then.
dan friesen
Well, here's why your idea is flawed there.
Those people already exist.
jordan holmes
Don't know what you're talking about.
dan friesen
Also, it turns out...
jordan holmes
That's a great idea.
dan friesen
When people talk about overpopulation, generally what they're talking about is the big picture as opposed to, hey, 20 people over here, 50 people over here.
jordan holmes
Nope.
dan friesen
So your ideas are already a little...
jordan holmes
Dan?
Dan, do you know what he was talking about?
White people need to fuck more.
Create more kids.
dan friesen
Shockingly, that's about to come up.
jordan holmes
Oh!
gavin mcinnes
If you're against overpopulation, no, no, we love them.
And you look at Time Magazine, and it'll have one month, it'll say, don't have babies, we have too many babies, and I have all white babies in the picture.
And then the next week, it will say, the new face of America, or the new face of Europe.
dan friesen
You know what's fucking weird to me?
Like, there is an actual organization called the Voluntary Human Extinction Movement.
It's called Vehement.
Like, it's an actual group that exists.
You can find their website.
jordan holmes
I joined.
dan friesen
A buddy of mine was a friend.
jordan holmes
Immediately.
dan friesen
Yeah, a buddy of mine in college was a friend.
jordan holmes
Why genocide?
Hard yes.
dan friesen
Well, yeah, like this voluntary, like, pledge of I will not have kids, we don't deserve to continue to live on this planet.
Alex has never mentioned them, and they are real.
I just realized that.
jordan holmes
That's because they might have a legitimate grievance.
dan friesen
Probably be tough to argue.
jordan holmes
Look, all I'm saying is read a history book and hear the phrase, then the white man came, and not be like, some bad shit's about to happen.
dan friesen
I mean, that's even true for, like, Animal Kingdom.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
That's not even just true for humans.
jordan holmes
And then the albino lions came.
dan friesen
No, I mean, the white man came, and now there's no more squirrels.
jordan holmes
Yeah, no, that's true.
gavin mcinnes
Or the West is turning brown.
And they'll talk about how great it is to have refugees.
And you realize, oh, you're all about identity politics and the individuals involved and what race they are.
We're involved in ideas.
And what's kind of fun about that is their stupid idea is not to breed and not to have families.
Our stupid idea is to breed like rats.
And they are going to be extinct.
Our children are not going to have to deal with these annoying, childless, lesbian feminists because they're all going to be gone.
They're the dodo birds.
alex jones
And by the way, I have nothing against lesbians.
My wife doesn't, okay?
jordan holmes
Stop saying that!
unidentified
Stop saying that you don't have anything against them because clearly you fucking do!
dan friesen
Neighbors.
But that's Alex not knowing how to play the game.
Gavin McGinnis, he's doing a bit.
Now, granted, he's probably expressing things that are pretty close to his heart.
But at the same time, he's doing something that he thinks is funny.
He thinks that's funny.
jordan holmes
He's doing a variation on the...
You know what?
They say eggs are good for you.
And then the next week...
They say they got too much cholesterol.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
And then it's the whites of the eggs that are fine.
And you know I love whites.
dan friesen
And then they tell you brown eggs are good.
jordan holmes
Oh, and you know what?
There isn't even a difference.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
I don't even know.
dan friesen
The other thing I really want to take away from that is that at the end there, that is a fucking crazy sentence that he says.
If you just unpack the idea that our children won't have to deal with these lesbian feminist dodo birds.
jordan holmes
We're running out.
dan friesen
Here are the various assumptions that underlie that.
One, gay people give birth to gay kids exclusively.
That's the only way that happens.
jordan holmes
Unless they don't, which they can't, because they are gay.
dan friesen
No, no, no.
That is part of his premise.
These lesbian feminists who annoy him so much are not going to have kids, therefore...
People who have the same beliefs as them will not exist in the next generation.
jordan holmes
Oh, of course.
dan friesen
Which is crazy.
jordan holmes
That's nuts.
If there's anything we've seen from the way that high schoolers have reacted to the Parkland shooting, it's that that ideology is going to die out.
Right?
dan friesen
On some level, I hope it doesn't, because it's so spectacular.
I mean, it's so amazing.
Like, that sentence, I could write probably a ten-page paper on, alone, just because of the various pieces that need to be unpacked.
Like, what I just said, the idea that he seems to be representing the position that gay parents give birth to gay children, straight parents don't.
Or feminist...
Parents give birth to feminist children.
Otherwise, no.
jordan holmes
I think...
unidentified
Hold on.
Hold on.
jordan holmes
Before you...
Let me rebut that first one, and then we'll go through there.
I think more his ideology is that because gay people can't reproduce, which he thinks is a thing...
dan friesen
No, we're going to get to...
That's part of my third...
jordan holmes
Okay, well then continue.
I apologize for not allowing you to complete your full argument.
dan friesen
The second prong of this is this weird fucking belief I believe that he's espousing.
jordan holmes
Which is to invade Russia in winter.
dan friesen
No.
Somehow that makes more sense.
It seems to me that he's presenting that...
These lesbian feminists that he's so annoyed by haven't existed in the past.
unidentified
Never.
dan friesen
This is the first time that they have been annoyance to grumpy white males.
unidentified
It's crazy.
dan friesen
That they're not having kids, so it'll be a unique phenomenon for 2018 grumpy white dudes to have to put up with, pretending that the Isle of Lesbos wasn't the thing, and Sappho, back in Grecian history.
jordan holmes
I've read her poetry.
dan friesen
Right, but the idea that lesbianism hasn't existed throughout the entirety of our history, or the idea of women's rights hasn't existed, the idea of matrilineal societies and whatever...
jordan holmes
Never an issue in the past.
unidentified
It's so crazy.
jordan holmes
I saw Wonder Woman, that died out.
dan friesen
He's so triggered by the idea of women having autonomy and authority that he's creating the perception that it's a...
thing.
unidentified
Like, it's just now.
dan friesen
And it'll die out.
They're not having kids, so it's going to die out.
Right.
unidentified
As opposed to being like, oh, no, you could have two very right-wing parents who end up giving birth to a...
dan friesen
Right.
Because the philosophy is not genetic.
Then the third prong of it is...
What really seems to be pissing him off, and that's what you brought up, and that is he's mad that white people who could reproduce aren't.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
I think that's really what's more behind it.
Because they do keep talking about how it's all these weird gay white people, and he says, we breed like rabbits, you guys don't breed.
He actually said, we breed like rats, which is not the go-to example.
But I think in his worldview, there's a part of him that's pissed off that they don't Fucking make more white people.
jordan holmes
Well, but that is...
dan friesen
That's crazy.
jordan holmes
That is reason number one that you see those gay people aren't allowed to adopt.
dan friesen
Because they're going to adopt brown people.
jordan holmes
No, no, no.
Which is, they're going to raise them gay.
That's that concept.
That's the idea.
dan friesen
The reason my mind didn't go to that is I felt like that was such an old idea.
jordan holmes
It's exactly what they think.
No matter what they dress it up as, their concept is, oh, if we allow gay people to raise children...
That means more gay people.
dan friesen
Oh, they can also still reproduce through surrogates and what have you.
jordan holmes
Right.
And if we allow them to have children, they're going to raise more gay people.
Like, their concept of sexuality is genetic.
dan friesen
It's kind of like, we can get rid of it in one generation.
jordan holmes
Yeah, exactly.
Exactly.
dan friesen
We just ostracize hard enough.
jordan holmes
No, no, no.
It's crazy.
It's the fucking brontosaurus theory of like, well, they're going to die out, so we don't need to worry about them.
dan friesen
Absolutely insane.
jordan holmes
All of this concept work is built on the idea of genetics.
And it all goes back and back and back.
It goes back to fucking phrenology.
It goes back to why it is that it's okay to subjugate and enslave black people.
It goes all the way fucking back.
To goddamn, I mean, if you want to do it, go back to the Bible.
You can enslave these, the fucking Canaanites.
Like, you can do all of this shit because genetically you are allowed to do so.
dan friesen
I don't disagree with you at all, but I realize just at this second we are almost two hours into this.
jordan holmes
Oh, shit.
dan friesen
And we got a little ways to go.
jordan holmes
Oh, shit.
dan friesen
So we got to pick up the pace.
jordan holmes
All right, let's do it.
dan friesen
The Gavin McGinnis anger will absolutely stretch things out to some extent.
And this next clip isn't going to help, but, well, this sucks.
alex jones
Why are lesbians so uptight?
jordan holmes
All right, I'm out.
gavin mcinnes
Well, I mean, you look at, this is a separate thing, but I can't help but notice gay men are always dancing around in short shorts.
Lesbians are always grumpy in ill-fitting denim pants.
alex jones
Exactly.
gavin mcinnes
It's got to be sex.
Male gays get laid more, and getting laid apparently makes you happy.
dan friesen
I want to stop real quick.
jordan holmes
This is a bit about fucking Boys Town.
This is a bit about Boys Town.
dan friesen
We've seen this at every shit show forever.
The only thing that I think is actually interesting about that is Alex Jones saying, exactly.
jordan holmes
You nailed it.
dan friesen
Great analysis.
jordan holmes
You crushed it.
gavin mcinnes
Because there's no one grumpier than a lesbian.
alex jones
Well, I'll just say it without getting to feel the show.
In my experience, lesbians are people that have had a bad experience with men in their life.
No!
Most women grow out of it.
And that's just my experience.
And then they get real happy when they get a man.
In fact, what would you say?
I mean, you know a lot about this.
I know you've talked about it if you want to get personal.
But, I mean, how many men are married to a former lesbian?
I mean, let's just get honest about it.
Go ahead.
gavin mcinnes
Yeah, you always say, well, we used to call them lugs in college.
Lesbian until graduation.
And it's easy to be bisexual when you're young and gorgeous and female, and all you've got to do is make out with another hot chick when you're drunk.
But hanging out with an obese 40-year-old lesbian and tending to your garden, that's a little less rock and roll.
And, yeah, the numbers dwindle drastically.
But why does this tiny population, this tiny group of sexless, depressed, old chubby dykes, control so much of the political narrative?
Why are entire elections dedicated?
To something as irrelevant as gay marriage.
We're really, it's like the tyranny of the minority.
alex jones
And by the way, I'm not against Hillary because she's a lesbian.
The tyranny of the minority!
I don't like her because she's evil and corrupt and a warmonger.
dan friesen
Yikes.
That's fun.
Because you know what?
unidentified
If you were going to build a bomb, who would you send it to?
dan friesen
You're getting so mad about this, and I understand why, because this is disgusting rhetoric.
jordan holmes
This is...
Fucking horrific.
dan friesen
Yeah, but he thinks he's doing comedy.
Like, he's trying to...
jordan holmes
I don't give a shit!
He's not, and he's a pile of fucking garbage.
dan friesen
But he's trying to piss people off.
Like, that's...
jordan holmes
How rich is he?
dan friesen
Gavin McGinnis?
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
He probably has quite a bit of money.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
I think he had a pretty decent parachute when they kicked him out of Vice.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
And then he's made a decent amount of money from his stupid ventures that he's done.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right.
dan friesen
I assume he's very comfortable.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
I mean, he wears nice suits.
jordan holmes
Politically?
Gonna start building a bomb on my porch.
unidentified
Politically.
jordan holmes
Politically.
That fucking pile of shit.
dan friesen
I mean, it's just the worst analysis of anything.
It's just hack comedy presented as thoughts.
unidentified
No, no, no.
dan friesen
It's just dumb.
That might as well have legitimately been a late 80s, mid-80s Andrew Dice Clay routine.
jordan holmes
Absolutely.
Absolutely.
dan friesen
It's tragic.
It's tragic.
jordan holmes
Absolutely.
dan friesen
It's tragic being presented straight-faced.
Right.
Because if you did that at a comedy club, people would be like, no.
jordan holmes
No, this is clearly, like, I am saying dyke.
dan friesen
I'm fascinated by what I just said, that comedy clubs might be more progressive than InfoWars.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Considering how terrible most comedy clubs are.
jordan holmes
Considering how terrible most comedy clubs are, you are not wrong.
dan friesen
That's nuts.
jordan holmes
I have seen a lot of people kill with essentially this bit.
And somehow it is less offensive coming from them.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Pathetic.
dan friesen
I don't know, man.
I just think this conversation or this piece is what Media Matters covered from this section.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And I understand why.
I get it.
It's inflammatory.
You certainly responded to it most harshly of anything.
jordan holmes
I'm not happy with it.
I would scream in the back of a comedy club.
dan friesen
The reason that I'm chill about it.
It's because I get that he's a terrible comedian.
He thinks that he's edgy and he's being like, this is going to get me booked on Jim Norton's show or something.
And maybe he goes on there and I just don't know it.
I have no fucking idea.
jordan holmes
No, saying dyke now is like saying the C word five years ago is like saying however many words ten years ago is like saying all of this shit.
It's this idea of just because I said the word that people don't feel like it's okay to say, I am automatically legit.
dan friesen
Well, I've been...
jordan holmes
I am automatically the most courageous instead of, I'm just a shitty writer.
dan friesen
I've been pushing this theory that I think that...
With all of his lawsuits, Alex Jones is about to get into late-period Lenny Bruce mode, where he would go on stage and just read complaints against him in lawsuits.
And I think that Gavin McGinnis is doing...
Next-generation hacky disciples of Lenny Bruce mode, where he thinks he's being edgy just by saying the N-word on stage or something like that.
jordan holmes
I think he's doing a really, really drunk, unreliable, drugged-out Bill Hicks.
dan friesen
It's possible.
jordan holmes
The Bill Hicks that everybody fucking hated.
dan friesen
It's possible.
jordan holmes
He's not good.
dan friesen
Jordan.
I was trying to make a transition.
jordan holmes
You were doing great.
dan friesen
I did.
jordan holmes
You were doing great.
I am essentially ruining this show.
dan friesen
No, you're not.
jordan holmes
Have you considered doing this show by yourself?
dan friesen
I did a terrible job of that transition.
Because I realized that within introducing the Lenny Bruce idea, we go off on a side road.
jordan holmes
Yeah, of course.
dan friesen
But Alex Jones at this point...
jordan holmes
Unfortunately, two students of comedy history are not going to be able to...
unidentified
Yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
No, I got it.
dan friesen
At this point, Alex Jones gets back to his lawsuits.
And I told you at the beginning of the show he was going to escalate things.
jordan holmes
He did.
dan friesen
Here's where he escalated even further.
jordan holmes
Oh, no.
dan friesen
To a wildly inappropriate level.
jordan holmes
Pass to the Pope?
dan friesen
Yes.
alex jones
My lawyers, some of them are some of the best lawyers in the country on defamation.
They said this new thing filed by Georgetown Law.
Probably will be thrown out because there should be congressional hearings.
It's taxpayer funded at that law school.
It's a private school, but the law school's taxpayer mainly funded.
And they said it's defamation in the suit on purpose and as a stunt.
And it calls for the end of the First Amendment and prior constraint and inverts Supreme Court rulings.
So my lawyer said if this passed, it would repeal.
I mean, if they prevail, it will repeal the First Amendment.
dan friesen
Holy shit.
Holy shit.
unidentified
Wait.
jordan holmes
Hold on.
dan friesen
A civil trial.
unidentified
Hold on.
jordan holmes
Hold on one second.
So.
So.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
If he...
If this case even goes to trial...
dan friesen
No, no, no.
It has to succeed.
jordan holmes
It has to succeed.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
All right.
If this case succeeds...
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
We no longer have the First Amendment.
dan friesen
First Amendment.
Gone.
jordan holmes
So, as far as our legal system is concerned, the entirety of our 200 bullshit year history will be tossed away.
dan friesen
Well, I mean, the First Amendment has to do with, like, freedom of religion, freedom of assembly, those sorts of things also, which have nothing to do with Alex Jones' case.
unidentified
Journalism?
jordan holmes
Gone.
dan friesen
Do you know how to repeal an amendment?
jordan holmes
It takes two-thirds of the states?
No.
dan friesen
Nope.
jordan holmes
Nope.
dan friesen
Two-thirds of Congress, and then it goes to the states, and it takes three-quarters of the states.
It takes 38 states with the 50 states that we have now.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
All of their state legislatures have to sign off.
jordan holmes
I did not realize that it was three-quarters of the states.
I thought it was two-thirds of the states.
dan friesen
No, because you know why?
unidentified
Why?
dan friesen
The only way to repeal an amendment is to create a new amendment.
jordan holmes
Ah, that sounds true.
dan friesen
Because once you make an amendment, it's not an amendment.
It's a part of the Constitution.
jordan holmes
That does explain why the Prohibition Amendment needed to be replaced with another amendment about Prohibition going, our bad guys.
dan friesen
Yes.
So, Alex Jones is getting on his dumbass show and saying that his lawyers tell him that if he loses a civil trial, it will undo the First Amendment.
jordan holmes
Now, I...
Love that argument.
unidentified
I do, too.
jordan holmes
That is fantastic.
dan friesen
I mean, it's crazy.
jordan holmes
It's bananas!
dan friesen
Because, like, legitimately, it goes back to what I was...
jordan holmes
Also, hire better lawyers!
dan friesen
It goes back to what I was saying at the beginning of the show, too, that, like, if you believe that, go to fucking court.
jordan holmes
Yeah, of course.
dan friesen
Because you will win this trial.
jordan holmes
You're never gonna lose if the repeal of the First Amendment is at stake.
unidentified
Right.
And if you lose it, all you have to do is appeal it.
dan friesen
And then you'll fucking win!
If you end up losing this trial because the Jesuits and the Pope is against you, all this horse shit, then you can appeal it.
Based on the fact that your First Amendment rights were violated.
jordan holmes
Historically...
unidentified
It's very easy.
jordan holmes
Historically, the Supreme Court goes hard on the First Amendment.
dan friesen
It's very easy when you make millions and millions of dollars, and biblically, whenever you're getting sued, more money comes in.
jordan holmes
It's shocking.
dan friesen
Yeah, if you have all those resources, it seems like, just fucking prove it in court or shut the fuck up.
jordan holmes
As crazy as Hanukkah is, according to...
Other previous Infowars guests.
Right.
Such is the same...
When it comes to Alex Jones and lawsuits.
dan friesen
Oh, that's another thing I wanted to bring up.
We did that episode about Steve, whatever the fuck his name was, that crazy preacher who's been on InfoWars.
jordan holmes
The type of preacher I am intimately familiar with.
dan friesen
I wanted to bring a harsh parallel between their discussion of lesbians and how it's a phase, and usually if they meet a man, they get much happier.
That offensive pile of bullshit.
And that guy, his beliefs.
He believes the similar things.
Anyway, I told you...
jordan holmes
What did he say it was?
dan friesen
What's up?
jordan holmes
Lugs?
dan friesen
The Lugs.
Lesbian until graduation.
jordan holmes
No one has ever said that.
dan friesen
No, I've heard a couple people say that.
jordan holmes
That can't be real.
dan friesen
I've heard a couple people I wanted to get away from at parties say that sort of thing.
unidentified
Oh, man.
dan friesen
I wish I made more bombs.
I used to crash frat parties when I was younger.
I lived in an area of campus at Mizzou called East Campus.
I was surrounded by frat houses and stuff, and I was...
Pretty charming, so I would just bring a case of beer and then just wander into a party and crash in.
I'd steal a bunch of their beers and stuff.
It was a mess.
It was a weird period of my life.
Anyway, I told you earlier...
jordan holmes
Every detail I learned about your history is always nuts.
dan friesen
It's going to be an awful book one day.
But for now, Jordan, I told you that I was debating whether or not Gavin McGinnis...
Or Steve Pchenik was the worst guest of the day.
Most of Steve Pchenik's appearance is just...
jordan holmes
So far I'm on politically bomb one.
dan friesen
Right.
And this is a mess.
Steve Pchenik mostly is on because he wants to make sure that Alex is okay with the idea of Mike Pompeo being the Secretary of State.
unidentified
Right.
jordan holmes
Which he shouldn't be.
Alex legitimately, based on Alex's...
Technical ideology should be so against Pompeo being Secretary of State.
dan friesen
For many reasons.
jordan holmes
He should be one of the most full-throated critics.
dan friesen
Right.
He should be like, I don't know if I like the idea of the CIA being involved in the Secretary of State.
jordan holmes
This is the deep state.
dan friesen
He should be.
But so Steve Buchanek is there to sort of smooth it out because Steve Buchanek and Mike Pompeo are...
I don't know if it's a two-way street, but Steve Pachenik supports Mike Pompeo.
But all that's not really important.
It's kind of boring because Steve Pachenik says this, and this is way more important, and it sucks.
steve pieczenik
Soros is what we call a Judenrat.
unidentified
He's a Jew rat.
We've had a lot of those people.
steve pieczenik
The Hungarians overall, the Jewish-Hungarians were never really rounded up as much as the Poles, myself, my family.
dan friesen
Oh, boy.
jordan holmes
He...
He said Jew-rat.
dan friesen
He did.
He did.
jordan holmes
That's a thing he said.
dan friesen
And he said it...
jordan holmes
Out loud.
dan friesen
And he says it again.
jordan holmes
In public.
dan friesen
He said it twice.
jordan holmes
Where people can hear him.
dan friesen
To be fair, Jew-rat is like a historical term.
jordan holmes
It's something that...
dan friesen
Like, it's not...
jordan holmes
No, no, no.
dan friesen
It's not...
jordan holmes
I know.
I know the term.
I know where it comes from.
dan friesen
It's not good.
jordan holmes
Oh, it's not good?
dan friesen
It's not good to bring in, certainly, to modern rhetoric.
jordan holmes
No, it's not good.
dan friesen
I don't know what to think about that.
jordan holmes
I do.
I do very clearly.
dan friesen
Okay.
jordan holmes
Bob number one.
Politically.
dan friesen
You're going Pachanek over McGinnis now?
jordan holmes
I mean, Jewrat is...
I don't even like saying it.
Like, previously, I didn't like how I said...
How I could say...
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
That I don't appreciate.
Like, I would prefer that it was less acceptable for me to say that word.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
But, boy, Jew Rat, that's a fucking baseball bat to the face.
dan friesen
Hey, you know what's fun?
Media Matters didn't have any posts about Steve Pachette.
jordan holmes
But he said that!
dan friesen
I know.
jordan holmes
That's a really big thing!
dan friesen
Neighbors.
I know.
It's crazy.
That's the reason that I'm saying I don't know what to think about it.
It's nuts.
But at the same time, I do give Steve Pachanek in this area a little bit of leeway.
Because his parents fled the Holocaust.
jordan holmes
That's true.
dan friesen
He has that in his background.
He's not like Alex, who's...
Entirely beholden to just weird anti-Semitic philosophies.
jordan holmes
Has Steve ever considered how his parents would feel?
dan friesen
I don't know.
unidentified
About him living in an anti-Semitic worldview?
dan friesen
I don't know.
Because I actually...
I don't want to get too deep into this, but the more and more I think about Steve Buchanek, the more I think he's using Alex.
jordan holmes
Oh, he's absolutely using Alex.
dan friesen
So I think his parents, if they understood that power dynamic, that I'm just getting him to say the things I want him to say, maybe they'd be okay with...
jordan holmes
I don't like that either.
That's a train of thought I don't want to go down.
dan friesen
But also later, as he goes on, he talks about how he knew Soros at the Council on Foreign Relations and stuff like that, and doesn't like him personally.
jordan holmes
I'm good.
I'm good without any of this.
dan friesen
None of it excuses the Jew rat stuff at all.
jordan holmes
That's not okay.
It's not that it's not okay that he said Jew rat.
Because even if he didn't say that particular phrase...
dan friesen
You mean it's what he meant.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
dan friesen
Yeah, it's tough.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
dan friesen
It's tough.
jordan holmes
He's a pile of fucking garbage.
And I hope he wakes up with a...
Actually, I hope he doesn't wake up with a note attached to him that says, call Larry Nichols.
dan friesen
So, at this point, we end Wednesday the 14th.
jordan holmes
Goddamn.
dan friesen
Alex rides it out with Steve being real boring for the rest of the interview.
And then we go to the 15th.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
And on the 15th, Alex has to give himself a little bit of a pep talk because shit is not going great.
These lawsuits are still there.
And he turns into...
What's that guy's name?
What was that Al Franken character?
Stuart Smalley?
jordan holmes
Yes!
dan friesen
Yeah, he basically turns into Stuart Smalley.
jordan holmes
Okay.
alex jones
I basically have almost no stress and no fear and am completely committed other than hoping I can be a stronger man to execute this operation better.
That's where I stand.
I am not a victim.
I'm a winner.
I am not downtrodden.
I'm an overcomer.
And I bring victory.
dan friesen
You just imagine him saying that into a mirror.
jordan holmes
I bring victory?
dan friesen
I bring victory.
That makes me think of that episode of Fantasy Factory, Rob Dyrdek's Fantasy Factory.
jordan holmes
That is an esoteric reference.
dan friesen
They went to a hypnosis ceremony and his name was Battle Hardened.
jordan holmes
Yeah, no, again.
dan friesen
What is your name?
jordan holmes
I get the reference.
The issue is that no one should.
dan friesen
I'm of a certain age.
Anyway, at this point Alex is like he's got to get some news in.
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
Because he hasn't been for the last few days.
jordan holmes
No, he's talking lawsuit pretty much non-stop.
dan friesen
Oh yeah, just all victim shit.
And so he gets into some censorship news and he chooses three Instances to talk about.
unidentified
Okay.
dan friesen
Three specific examples, and they could not be worse examples.
unidentified
Right, right.
dan friesen
All three of them.
jordan holmes
Right.
Pope.
Pope.
alex jones
Leading historian.
jordan holmes
Jesuit Pope.
alex jones
Silicon Valley will decide future election winners unless conservatives do something.
jordan holmes
Starring Kamal.
alex jones
Put that headline back up for TV viewers you just had.
About the far-right group banned off Facebook.
Oh, yeah?
Steven Crowder has been banned off of Twitter.
More censorship, Facebook man's right-leaning group, Britain First.
They're arresting members of it.
They've arrested Marie Le Pen in France for saying Islam's as big a threat, radical Islam.
She said ISIS and Al-Qaeda is as big a threat to France as Hitler was in World War II.
Well, that's totally true.
dan friesen
Well, it's not possible.
But also, France doesn't have the same speech laws that we have.
They have very specific laws.
Against politically, racially, and religiously antagonistic speech.
jordan holmes
Just like Germany has like a, hey, stop apologizing for the Holocaust.
Or not, stop apologizing for the Holocaust.
dan friesen
Stop denying the Holocaust.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
dan friesen
Yes, those sorts of things.
jordan holmes
Also, the phrase right-leaning should be burned.
dan friesen
So you're talking about Britain first?
jordan holmes
Because the answer to that phrase is no.
They are right all the fucking hard way in.
dan friesen
Do you want to know about Britain first?
jordan holmes
Let's fucking...
I know about Britain First, but apparently you're going to fucking ram it down my throat.
dan friesen
You don't know anything about them.
unidentified
You son of a bitch.
dan friesen
Britain First is a hyper right-wing party in the UK who took their name as a reference to Oswald Mosley and the British Union of Fascists.
jordan holmes
Not Oswald Mosley!
He's a...
dan friesen
the British Union of Fascists.
jordan holmes
I know!
dan friesen
Starting in 2014 the group started doing Christian patrols allegedly guarding streets from Muslims.
On one occasion they posted a video of themselves holding a Banner that said, We are the British resistance and pouring beer out in front of a mosque.
White.
unidentified
Hoping to rile up angry Muslims to attack them.
dan friesen
This didn't work and was roundly condemned by Muslim and Christian After that, they started invading mosques in cities including Glasgow, East London, and Luton.
Coincidentally, the city that Tommy Robinson operates out of and always talks about.
They would go into mosques and give out Bibles and preach Christianity, telling people to, quote, Good.
We will not rest until every traitor is punished for their crimes against our country.
And by punished, I mean good old-fashioned British justice at the end of a rope.
jordan holmes
I...
unidentified
On June 16th...
jordan holmes
I don't think that threatening lynching...
dan friesen
Sadiq Khan?
unidentified
Is...
jordan holmes
Okay?
dan friesen
They claim that Sadiq Khan is some kind of Sharia law...
jordan holmes
Do you mean wildly popular London mayor Sadiq Khan?
dan friesen
And they claim that he's like...
jordan holmes
Insanely popular mayor Sadiq Khan?
dan friesen
They claim that he's some sort of Islamicist Sharia law guy.
He's in favor of gay marriage.
jordan holmes
Meaning non-white.
dan friesen
He's in favor of gay marriage.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
unidentified
It doesn't work.
jordan holmes
You know the Sharia law, how it's so in favor of gay marriage.
Yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
So on June 16th, 2016, Labor M.T. Joe Cox was murdered by Thomas Mayer, who shot her with a sawed-off rifle and stabbed her twice, yelling, Britain first.
jordan holmes
Yes, I recall.
dan friesen
Mayer chose her as his target because he believed that liberals, leftists, and mainstream media were the cause of the world's problems, and because Cox was in favor of immigration and the EU, that made her a traitor to white people.
jordan holmes
Great.
dan friesen
Race traitor.
He has ties to Britain First, the political party, as well as Tommy Robinson's European Defense League.
Although, I will say, in honor of just being completely fair, 2016 is after Tommy Robinson left the EDL.
I don't care.
He started it.
jordan holmes
I don't care.
dan friesen
He's to blame.
But he is already gone.
In court, when asked his name, Thomas Mayer said, my name is death to traitors, freedom for Britain.
jordan holmes
That's a long name.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
That's a long name.
You should shorten it.
dan friesen
On June 23rd...
jordan holmes
Try an acronym.
dan friesen
On June 23rd, 2017, the first anniversary of the Brexit vote, a drunk Britain First supporter attempted to attack a curry restaurant called Spicy Night in Harrow in West London by driving a van at it and shouting, White Power!
The restaurant's owner was injured in the attack by a Polish-born Britain Firster, Marik Zaraki.
Who pled guilty to dangerous driving and also, weirdly, beating his wife.
unidentified
Domestic violence is a thread.
jordan holmes
Always.
dan friesen
Also, weirdly, even UKIP.
jordan holmes
Even UKIP is like, no, you guys are too fucking crazy.
dan friesen
They've gone on the record saying that they want nothing to do with them.
jordan holmes
But you are!
dan friesen
They've said, on the fringes of our politics are nutters, and we don't want them anywhere near us.
jordan holmes
Have you considered that you are those guys?
dan friesen
Yeah, and they also have a lot more connections than either wants to pretend.
There's a lot of...
Of course.
They just sort of get into...
It's the same thing with Alex Jones and his interview with David Duke.
It's like, we can argue over semantics, but we kind of agree.
jordan holmes
You absolutely agree with each other.
Because your underlying philosophy with so many of these people is whiteness.
unidentified
It's always whiteness.
dan friesen
It's always, I feel, threatened by others.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
So the three things that Alex brought up were Marie and Le Pen, and again, we talked about that already.
jordan holmes
Nazi.
dan friesen
Britain first.
fascists.
unidentified
Now we have this article that Alex is referring to about, um, How we need to, like, social media will decide elections from now on unless conservatives do something.
dan friesen
Alex brings this up about five times, and he never mentions who the guy is.
He never says his name, probably so anyone listening doesn't Google the person.
jordan holmes
Oh, no.
dan friesen
I looked into it and found it.
jordan holmes
Oh, no.
dan friesen
And it's a guy named Nial, it's Neil, but it's N-I-A-L-L, Ferguson.
He's a British guy.
And his argument is essentially that from now on, social media will not allow people to use it like Trump did.
And if you want to make that argument, I fucking agree.
Because Trump used it illegally.
They'll be much more careful about the influence of Cambridge Analytica, micro-targeting, those sorts of things.
I hope so.
I don't know.
But he's saying that conservatives are going to bear the brunt of the changes that happen.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
And that's probably true.
jordan holmes
Yeah, you would hope.
dan friesen
But there's more important things to note about Neil Ferguson.
jordan holmes
I mean, the problem with Cambridge Analytica is that they are fucking brilliant.
They are one of the few examples of the right being...
Brilliant.
dan friesen
Nailing the future.
jordan holmes
And it is unfortunate and...
dan friesen
I don't want to talk about that now.
I want to talk about Neil Ferguson.
jordan holmes
No, no, no.
You're right.
You're right.
Politically, making a bomb.
dan friesen
So, do you know anything about Neil Ferguson?
jordan holmes
I don't.
I have seen his name spelled and I have been furious just at that.
dan friesen
Alex is citing him as a leading historian.
That's how he keeps citing him.
jordan holmes
No.
No.
unidentified
Out.
jordan holmes
I'm out.
dan friesen
In 2015, Neil Ferguson wrote an authorized biography of Henry Kissinger called The Idealist.
It's a flawed piece of historical revision, and most contemporaries and historians write it off as historical trash, and simply a thousand-page puff piece dedicated to rewriting Kissinger's legacy.
jordan holmes
You know, the thing about Kissinger is, like, every claim...
That they make about Soros, I could reasonably consider about Kissinger.
dan friesen
Well, you'd need to do more research, but you could probably get some of the broad strokes.
But be that as it may...
jordan holmes
Kissinger was really, really Nazi-ish.
dan friesen
But be that as it may, whatever the case in reality is...
Alex Jones fucking hates Kissinger.
And this guy wrote an authorized biography that tried to rewrite history about Kissinger's career.
jordan holmes
That sucked Kissinger's dick.
dan friesen
Exactly.
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
Then...
He was very in favor of the Iraq War.
jordan holmes
That's not good.
dan friesen
In 2003, he wrote an op-ed in the New York Times calling for American Empire, including the following passage.
jordan holmes
No.
Quote, I don't want to hear it.
dan friesen
So long as the American Empire dare not speak its own name.
unidentified
No.
dan friesen
So long as it continues its tradition of organized hypocrisy.
unidentified
Bad.
dan friesen
Today's ambitious young men and women will take one look at the prospects for post-war Iraq.
jordan holmes
You're talking about white?
dan friesen
And say with one voice, don't even go there.
jordan holmes
No!
dan friesen
Americans need to go there.
jordan holmes
This is bad.
dan friesen
If the best and brightest insist on staying home, today's unspoken imperial project may end unspeakably tomorrow.
jordan holmes
Kissinger was better than you, and he's a genocider.
dan friesen
But his entire op-ed is about, like, and this is from 2003 that he wrote this.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
It's all about, like, hey, let's keep this up.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
Let's not leave.
Let's see it through.
You understand how the British colonialized people?
unidentified
Let's fucking do it.
dan friesen
So then, in December 2016, Neil Ferguson, who also is a writer for Foreign Policy, Alex Jones' globalist publication.
jordan holmes
That's frustrating.
dan friesen
He's written for them since 2009.
jordan holmes
That's frustrating!
dan friesen
He wrote in Foreign Policy in 2016 in an article titled The Russia Problem.
jordan holmes
Nope.
dan friesen
Quote, The resulting email dumps and leaks probably reinforced voters' negative views of Hillary Clinton.
A little bit later in the article, he says, quote, In the end, it's not for the United States to solve the Russian question.
That is Russia's challenge.
But by reestablishing the Kissingerian rule that the United States should be closer to Russia and China than they are to each other, the Trump administration can take an important step towards cleaning up the geopolitical mess bequeathed it by Barack Obama.
In 2016, after the election, he's espousing a Kissingerian line about geopolitics.
unidentified
Hey, bro.
Hey, bro.
This guy's a globalist.
jordan holmes
Boy.
You know what?
Here's how despicable that guy is.
Kind of believe in globalists, right?
dan friesen
Alex sucks.
His three news stories for the day is Marine Le Pen, who's legally a fascist.
jordan holmes
Legally a fascist.
dan friesen
And also, he has no leg to stand on in terms of, like, French...
None.
None.
Government doesn't have the same free speech laws that we do.
jordan holmes
Uh-uh.
Porchbomb.
dan friesen
Second, he's defending a British fascist organization.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right.
Porchbomb.
dan friesen
Anti-Islam organization.
And then the third guy is a huge proponent of Kissinger and a fan of the Iraq war up to current day.
jordan holmes
Porchbomb.
dan friesen
Who should be exactly the type of person that Alex would be like, I hate everything he says.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
It's a bunch of nonsense.
Anyway...
jordan holmes
It doesn't...
They don't mean anything.
They don't have any ideology.
dan friesen
No, but it's fun.
jordan holmes
They don't mean anything.
dan friesen
It's so fun for me when Alex is citing all these people and then you see their history and he's like, what are you doing?
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
What are you doing?
You have no principles.
jordan holmes
They just don't...
They don't believe in anything.
dan friesen
Go to court.
jordan holmes
It's so frustrating.
dan friesen
Go to court.
Anyway, in this next clip, Alex Jones gets a little bit esoteric and we can enjoy that.
jordan holmes
Okay, good.
alex jones
I'm not gonna get into how you freeze neurons and...
dan friesen
I should say.
jordan holmes
I'm not going to get into how you freeze neurons.
That's how you started.
You didn't pause it until after that point.
How do you freeze neurons, Dan?
dan friesen
I should be clear.
I forgot to set this up right.
Alex is talking about...
There's a startup that's coming out that's like, we can put your brain into the cloud, but it's 100% fatal.
And everyone's clowning on it, being like, this is a fucking stupid idea.
And Alex is like...
This is what I've been talking about for 20 years.
jordan holmes
Alex read Transmetropolitan and he was like, this is real!
dan friesen
Yeah, exactly.
So he's getting into how, like, this isn't possible.
This is a trap.
unidentified
This is a trap.
dan friesen
They just want to kill you.
alex jones
Of course, then they break and you unfreeze them.
They shatter even more.
How they're electrochemical and die once the electrochemical data starts going through them and how you cannot resuscitate it and how they have proven that there is a interdimensional spiritual force.
at the sixth dimension that your brain can actually peer into that opens a jump gate in your mind.
That's how people have been able to predict the future, how they've been able to, you know, like aborigines in Australia are very famous for this.
Like, especially the women, they'll know when their sons died in a mine, they'll just get up and say, I've got to be flown 2,000 miles.
My son just died in the mine.
And it's always How is it always accurate?
That's how birds know to fly south for the winter.
Magnetic lines.
We've got magnetic cells in our brains.
But they all resonate with space-time, space-winds, the sun's energy, the planet's gravitational pull, its electromagnetic frequency.
And then that's only third dimension.
From there, it just...
That said...
jordan holmes
If you're talking about time, that's at the very least fourth dimension.
You understand that time is...
The fourth dimension.
dan friesen
I think what you don't understand...
jordan holmes
What don't I understand, Dan?
dan friesen
Is that your brain is a jump gate that allows Iborigine women to see the future.
jordan holmes
Who proved interdimensional thought process?
dan friesen
None of that.
None of that's real.
That's all just lore, I guess.
That's what I would say.
jordan holmes
I don't know what that is.
dan friesen
Theosophy, it's just all kinds of...
He's seen YouTube videos, basically, I'm sure.
But, like...
The thing that I think is really fascinating, because all that's a load of...
jordan holmes
Insane!
dan friesen
It's pseudoscience.
jordan holmes
Insane!
dan friesen
It's the line between pseudoscience and the ravings of a madman.
jordan holmes
I would describe it as bananas.
dan friesen
But the thing that I think is fascinating about it is how unable he is.
Like, he can't...
Track of thought.
So he's like, your brain goes through a jump gate.
That's what the Aborigines are famous for, especially the women.
jordan holmes
Everybody knows Aborigines are famous for jump gates.
dan friesen
I gotta fly 2,000 miles because my son is trapped in a mine.
jordan holmes
It's really far away.
dan friesen
Aborigine women would constantly have to fly 2,000 miles because they got a premonition that their kid was stuck in a mine.
jordan holmes
They're like Soros.
They're always busy.
dan friesen
I don't think...
jordan holmes
They can't delegate.
I...
dan friesen
Look, I don't think most...
jordan holmes
They can't use cell phones!
You could have just called!
dan friesen
Most aborigine population that exists still to this day doesn't need to travel 2,000 miles.
jordan holmes
Always.
Always.
They're very busy.
dan friesen
It's a hot load of nonsense.
Anyway, earlier, Jordan, in this episode...
I talked about how Alex Jones had inside information about the Austin bombings.
jordan holmes
He has so much inside information.
dan friesen
And so that was on the 13th.
Now we've come to the 15th.
And some news has come out that Alex thinks validates the earlier report.
jordan holmes
That's not good.
dan friesen
Let's take a listen.
jordan holmes
That's not good.
alex jones
That said, we were told by sources at the bombing site involved with it directly.
That it was a pressure bomb, all three bombs in Austin, going back Monday through last week, that killed one woman and injured three others, unfortunately.
jordan holmes
Way to add that.
alex jones
Very, very simple pressure bombs, that when you move them, they go off.
Oh, look, it's breaking.
Fox News.
Austin package bombs, probably pretty simple.
Components can lead cops to the suspect, experts say.
So you get tomorrow's news today.
And they go into that.
So, I don't know why they don't just tell people the type of bomb it is.
I know the people involved on the ground think the public should be knowing this.
jordan holmes
It's a porch bomb.
alex jones
Because the bombs are constructed on the site.
You can't move them.
jordan holmes
Wait, but you said they were constructed on the porch.
alex jones
There you go.
dan friesen
They're constructed on the porch and then you can't move them because once you move them, they explode.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
And he says that Fox in Austin is confirming that.
I'm going to read to you from an article in Fox Austin.
jordan holmes
How's that going?
dan friesen
By Wednesday afternoon, police had taken down tape and opened up Old Fort Hill Drive.
That's where 17-year-old Draylon Mason lost his life.
After bringing in a package and opening it inside his kitchen next to his mom.
jordan holmes
Can't move him.
dan friesen
Quote, I heard this loud boom.
It woke me and shook the walls of the house, said Jesse Washington, next door neighbor.
jordan holmes
Neighbors.
dan friesen
Do you understand that what he's saying is absolutely, literally contradicted by the information that has come out?
jordan holmes
Every single thing.
dan friesen
He's acting like you can't move them.
jordan holmes
And he thought this confirmed it.
dan friesen
The case is clear that it was moved.
jordan holmes
It was the most movable.
dan friesen
Such nonsense.
I don't understand.
I mean, I do understand.
He's just grasping at straws.
But anyway, we have one more clip left to play, and then I think we both have to pee.
This is real fun.
unidentified
Okay.
dan friesen
It starts fun.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
And then we get a sense...
jordan holmes
I don't like...
I wish you had just stopped it.
It starts fun.
dan friesen
It starts fun, and then we get a sense...
You know that whole right-wing complaint whenever there's a school shooting that you immediately turn it political?
You know that idea?
jordan holmes
Yes, I'm aware!
dan friesen
Well, I'm going to spoil this a little bit.
jordan holmes
I don't want you to spoil it.
dan friesen
I'm going to spoil this a little bit.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
So earlier today in Florida, there was a bridge that collapsed.
jordan holmes
Yes, I recall.
dan friesen
And some people passed away.
jordan holmes
Read about it.
dan friesen
Watch how fast Alex turns that political.
jordan holmes
No!
That's not even a thing!
dan friesen
Wait.
Wait for it.
This might be a mic down situation.
unidentified
Alright.
jordan holmes
Mic down.
alex jones
Burning inside.
From the front lines of the information war!
unidentified
From the front lines of the information war, it's Alex Jones.
What we are looking at.
alex jones
950-ton pedestrian bridge collapsed about 20 minutes ago at Florida International University.
Reports of multiple deaths and injuries.
Our prayers go out to everybody, and that's too bad.
jordan holmes
Fuck you!
alex jones
And I certainly, wow, just a prelude of a big earthquake out in California or Mount St. Helens blows up in Oregon or in Washington.
But should we ban bridges?
Because you want to ban guns.
Jihadis run over people with cars.
Do you ban the cars?
England keeps trying to ban butcher knives to make you get a license because they have a lot of knife crime.
But see, a bunch of people die from bridge collapse.
It's just out of the news in hours.
But it's some craved person on a bunch of Prozac-type drugs.
Well, it goes on forever, and all gun owners are then to blame.
So all of us that ever drove over a bridge, all of us that ever drove in a car, all of us that ever paid taxes for highways, we, Killed the people in Florida, according to that broken logic.
And of course we didn't kill them.
dan friesen
Of course we didn't.
He turned that into an anti-gun regulation message in like 12 seconds.
And also...
That logic doesn't track either, because what would help with these bridges is tighter regulations.
jordan holmes
I bet regulations!
dan friesen
I think it would probably be like, everything needs to be up to code, there needs to be inspections of the bridges, the people who are actually building it need to be licensed, those sorts of things.
So actually, even...
By his own words, he's kind of advocating accidentally for gun regulation.
Congratulations, Alex.
You're a stupid fuck and an insensitive one.
jordan holmes
That is fucking unbelievable.
unidentified
How quick was that?
Does he not understand?
jordan holmes
Does he not even come close to understanding why it is that a fucking bridge would collapse?
dan friesen
Well, this was a new one, too.
It's not even an old one.
jordan holmes
Exactly!
dan friesen
That's crazy.
jordan holmes
Exactly!
That's the point!
dan friesen
It's bad.
It's bad craftsmanship.
jordan holmes
Like, think about why a bridge would collapse.
Like, okay, let's start from the beginning, all right?
You're building a bridge, but you can't really afford to replace that bridge to the level that you need to.
dan friesen
So you need to cut some corners.
jordan holmes
So you start cutting some costs.
How do you cut costs, Dan?
dan friesen
Low bids.
jordan holmes
Now, perhaps if your government was funded better, you would be able to afford to do the job.
Fucking right.
In the same way that if your government...
Like, it's fucking unreal!
dan friesen
I honestly believe that one of the reasons that we're in the situation that we are right now with infrastructure and crumbling bridges and shit is because when the New Deal happened, there was a ton of money for infrastructure work and roads, and we made a lot of pretty strong bridges, and now it's been 70 years since then, and those have deteriorated.
You know, I'm not saying that this bridge collapse in Miami is going to be indicative of more bridge collapses that are going to happen.
jordan holmes
It will be.
dan friesen
That would be silly of me to say that it's a harbinger of things to come.
jordan holmes
Well, Trump is personally shutting down the New York to New Jersey train line that's being built.
Like, he's doing that just because they spited him, or he perceives that they spited him.
dan friesen
They fucked with Christie.
jordan holmes
And it is, like, 15% of our economy that is...
Like, there's so much of this that is exactly what the New Deal was in response to.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
That we're incapable of dealing with something preemptively.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
It has to become a disaster, and then America's like, oh, I got it.
Like...
For, what, 40 years before the Great Depression, it was a constant, never-ending, let's cut taxes, let's make income inequality as insane as possible.
And then once it is utterly and completely destroyed, America's like, oh yeah, socialism is great!
And then when everything's fine, everybody's like, oh yeah, free market is great!
And then that fucking destroys the economy, and everybody's like...
Oh, yeah, maybe Bernie Sanders is fucking right.
Like, this is an insane...
This is an untenable bullshit system that we live in.
And the fact that...
Let me get back to this.
The fact that that fucking lamb guy is the best that the Democrats can fucking do is untenable.
It is that neoliberalist bullshit concept that will never fucking end.
dan friesen
Maybe in that district he's the best he can do.
jordan holmes
Maybe if somebody would actually fucking full-throated go to bat for reality, maybe people would be far more...
I'm sorry.
I'm just saying that the concept that the Democratic Party has of...
We need to be afraid of our ideas is the reason that we've been fucked over for 40 years.
dan friesen
I agree.
jordan holmes
And maybe if the idea was, fuck yeah, let's fucking live up to what it is we believe instead of this constant mitigation of our concepts and our ideas, maybe we would fucking win.
Maybe the Overton window would be...
Closer towards the fucking center instead of closer towards as far right as you can possibly go.
Like Marie Le Pen?
She would win an election here!
dan friesen
Yeah, probably.
The problem that you have in your rhetoric is that there is no center.
Exactly.
That is nonsense.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
dan friesen
It's not a two-dimensional spectrum.
jordan holmes
It's nonsense.
There is the right and there is reality.
And that's it.
And if you are anywhere near the right, you are as far away from reality as you can be.
dan friesen
And I think at the end of all of this tragedy that we're about to befall in all our lives...
jordan holmes
Oh, it's going to be a disaster.
dan friesen
I think what's going to end up having to happen...
jordan holmes
Five years from now, there will be no America.
dan friesen
Well, probably not, but if there is, there will be another FDR-ish...
jordan holmes
We would hope.
dan friesen
In order to save everything from the disaster we find ourselves in.
What we should do is kill everybody over 55. And if we're able to pull that off, the next thing I would hope that we do is do it better this time.
Because at the end of the New Deal, I think we blew it.
I think we blew it in terms of transition.
jordan holmes
Even during the New Deal, it was watered down immensely because of this very same concept of incoming quality.
All right, all right, all right, all right, fine.
No more history lessons.
No more history lessons.
Fine.
dan friesen
The bottom line is Alex Jones is being sued by a bunch of people who are real.
He's creating fake versions of them.
I don't want to fucking dwell on this anymore.
I got to piss really bad.
jordan holmes
All right.
dan friesen
This has been fun.
jordan holmes
Dan, let me ask you a question.
If you were looking for us, where would you find us?
dan friesen
I've made a critical mistake in that I had too much content here.
unidentified
I apologize.
dan friesen
I also apologize you had to listen to Gavin McGinnis.
But if you like our show, you can go to knowledgefight.com.
jordan holmes
You can follow us on Twitter at knowledge underscore fight.
If you would like three hours of our podcast, you can go to iTunes.
dan friesen
We're on Facebook.
jordan holmes
We are on Facebook.
unidentified
If you go to knowledgefight.com, you can click support the show.
jordan holmes
You can do a whole thing.
dan friesen
I have a new calendar up there, too, so you can check out Alex Jones and history.
jordan holmes
Yeah, we have...
dan friesen
It's very exciting.
jordan holmes
We have a lot of new listeners.
Thank you all.
It's kind of incredible, and we hope you share it, because as ridiculous as this podcast is, it is...
Really important, at the very least, to the two of us.
dan friesen
Sure.
And maybe you.
Anyway, thank you all so much for listening.
I think we're all in agreement.
unidentified
Gavin McGinnis can go fuck himself!
alex jones
Andy in Kansas, you're on the air.
Thanks for holding.
unidentified
Hello, Alex.
I'm a first-time caller.
I'm a huge fan.
I love your work.
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