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March 13, 2018 - Knowledge Fight
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#137: March 12, 2018

Today, Dan tells Jordan all about what happened on the March 12 episode of The Alex Jones Show. Alex has just been "on vacation" for a week, so Alex comes back to the studio feeling a need to remind the people why he's the best. This leads to yelling about Satan, the return of his Bernie Sanders impression, and a very long interview with a British career criminal.

Participants
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a
alex jones
10:26
d
dan friesen
51:44
j
jordan holmes
27:57
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donald j trump
00:31
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Speaker Time Text
alex jones
Andy in Kansas, you're on the air.
Thanks for holding.
unidentified
Hello, Alex.
I'm a first-time caller.
I'm a huge fan.
I love your work.
alex jones
I love you.
dan friesen
Hey, everybody.
Welcome back to Knowledge Fight.
I'm Dan.
jordan holmes
I'm Jordan.
dan friesen
We're a couple dudes who like to sit around, drink novelty beverages, and talk a little bit about Alex Jones.
jordan holmes
Indeed, that is what we do.
dan friesen
He is risen!
jordan holmes
Dan!
dan friesen
What?
jordan holmes
Who is risen?
dan friesen
You're supposed to say he is risen indeed.
jordan holmes
This is our Easter.
I'm not going to say he is risen indeed.
dan friesen
I'm sorry.
jordan holmes
I was never...
Is that a thing that non-Catholic people say?
Is that a thing that Catholic people say?
dan friesen
It happens in church a lot.
jordan holmes
Is that Shinto?
Are you referencing Shinto?
dan friesen
Yes, it's Shinto.
No, I remember from all sorts of churches I went to that call and response, he is risen.
He is risen indeed.
unidentified
Right, right, right.
dan friesen
Anyway, it's our Easter.
I'm overexcited.
jordan holmes
It's our Easter.
Oh, because we're covering Easter.
Or is the Easter sale still going on?
dan friesen
Probably still going on.
Alex is back from vacation.
unidentified
Oh!
Hey!
dan friesen
Yeah.
After seven days in Colorado, allegedly, he has returned.
But anyway, this is a show where I know a lot about Alex Jones.
jordan holmes
I don't know anything about Alex Jones because apparently he's Jesus, too, now.
dan friesen
You didn't know that he was back from vacation.
jordan holmes
I did not know he was back from vacation.
dan friesen
Boy, it's been a long haul of listening to a bunch of garbage.
jordan holmes
Could you turn me up?
dan friesen
Yeah, yeah, I gotcha.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
Come on.
Just a little bit.
dan friesen
There you go.
Bunch of hot garbage of listening to Owen Schroyer.
We're not listening to Owen Troyer.
jordan holmes
Right.
Why would you do that?
dan friesen
As the case may be.
But Alex Jones is back.
It's very exciting, but not quite as exciting as our new donors.
Ladies and gentlemen.
jordan holmes
Hey!
Nice transition.
dan friesen
Thank you.
I'd like to give a shout-out to a new donor.
Thank you for signing up with the show.
Oh, God.
I forgot.
I have a sound effect.
jordan holmes
What are you doing?
dan friesen
I don't know.
jordan holmes
Oh, man.
dan friesen
I'm so excited.
Alex is back.
jordan holmes
We're all thrown off.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Thank you so much, Nathan.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
dan friesen
Thank you for joining up with the show.
jordan holmes
Thank you, Nathan.
That's my oldest brother's name.
And if it's you, ooh, you do not like this podcast.
dan friesen
No, it's Nathan Fillion.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Oh, it's Nathan Fillion.
unidentified
From...
jordan holmes
Castles.
Serenity.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
Oh, boy.
jordan holmes
Firefly.
dan friesen
That movie was terrible.
It was trash.
jordan holmes
Wow.
Wow.
dan friesen
Trash.
jordan holmes
Wow, Dan.
Hot trash.
Your taste in everything is bad, inexplicably.
dan friesen
Yeah, I know.
I do this show.
Anyway...
Alex Jones is back from his quote-unquote family vacation that happened to coincide with the time right after he got sued.
jordan holmes
He sued into oblivion.
dan friesen
Which, if you'll recall, last year, right after Hamdi Ulukaya from Chobani Yogurt sued him, he went on vacation immediately right after that.
jordan holmes
Mysteriously disappeared.
dan friesen
Very, very strange.
And so he's back.
I forgot I was going to bring...
jordan holmes
Isn't that when he met those stupid reality stars, too?
dan friesen
Heidi and Spencer?
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
That was a different vacation.
jordan holmes
That was a different vacation.
dan friesen
Yeah, that was when he was in Hawaii.
A lot of vacations.
jordan holmes
I kind of imagine him just kind of showing up wherever Heidi and Spencer go on vacation.
dan friesen
He may.
Yeah, they might have been in Colorado.
I can't confirm it.
jordan holmes
Just him there.
dan friesen
I don't have a Santa tracker on Spidey.
jordan holmes
Just him like in the background, like a bear with blood coming out of its jaws in the background.
dan friesen
Everything is possible.
Alex, later in this episode, does indicate that he's stalking people now.
unidentified
Okay.
dan friesen
Heidi and Spencer.
jordan holmes
Heidi, run!
dan friesen
Yeah, there might be.
jordan holmes
Spencer!
I'm fine with you dying.
dan friesen
You're cool.
So, Alex is back.
Like I said, very excited about it.
We're going to go over this episode today.
That is the March 12th, 2018 episode.
Monday.
jordan holmes
Oh, that's today!
dan friesen
As we're recording that, yes.
And here is an out of context.
jordan holmes
Ten years to the day from March 12th, 2008.
dan friesen
That's correct.
Good trivia.
jordan holmes
Thank you.
dan friesen
Here is an out of context drop of Alex from today's show.
alex jones
By the way, I have barely plugged today or any other days.
dan friesen
What?
jordan holmes
I don't even plug.
I don't even plug anymore.
dan friesen
I have barely plugged today or any other days.
jordan holmes
Any other days.
Barely done it.
dan friesen
Yeah, that's spiritually a lie.
So, Alex, I want to say this right up top.
Right up top.
Alex...
Clearly shows in this episode why you cannot have a fill-in host.
Like, he comes in like he has something to prove.
jordan holmes
Oh, he's coming in hot.
dan friesen
He comes in like he's trying to apologize for the guest hosts.
He's screaming about Satan for a lot of the episode.
jordan holmes
Wonderful.
dan friesen
And so we'll get through all of it, but he starts by talking about a recent rally that Trump had.
And here's his take on it.
alex jones
And let's go to one more little clip here of the president at that rally, because it just gets better and better, doesn't it?
jordan holmes
No.
alex jones
That's the crowd chanting, CNN sucks.
And then we've got him calling Chuck Todd a sleeping son of a bitch.
Here it is.
dan friesen
Great.
So, Alex loves it.
unidentified
Do we not realize how...
jordan holmes
Truly bad it is for a president to have a rally wherein people chant CNN sucks.
Do we not understand the true depth?
To which we have gone.
dan friesen
It's sort of an aggressive crowd version of the Lugan Press.
It's weird!
jordan holmes
Yeah!
dan friesen
It's very, very uncomfortable.
jordan holmes
This is a bad thing!
This is a bad thing!
dan friesen
It doesn't make me comfortable, especially since I cut out the parts that Alex plays of the rally, but it's just him saying, CNN sucks, and then the audience, CNN sucks!
unidentified
CNN sucks!
No, this is not a professional wrestling match.
This is the world of the world.
dan friesen
And then the other clip that he plays is Trump saying that the media lies about him and all that stuff.
Conveniently, Alex leaves out this part from Trump's rally.
donald j trump
The only way to solve the drug problem is through toughness.
When you catch a drug dealer, you've got to put him away for a long time.
When I was in China...
unidentified
And other places, by the way.
dan friesen
The Philippines.
donald j trump
I said, Mr. President, do you have a drug problem?
jordan holmes
No, no, no.
unidentified
We do not.
jordan holmes
That's a great accent.
unidentified
Big country.
donald j trump
1.4 billion people, right?
Not much of a drug problem.
jordan holmes
I fucking...
unidentified
I said, what do you attribute that to?
Well, the death penalty.
dan friesen
Neighbors.
donald j trump
If you're a drug dealer, and you know you're going to get caught, and you know that you're going to kill people, You're killing our kids.
unidentified
They're killing our kids.
donald j trump
They're killing our families.
unidentified
They're killing our workers.
dan friesen
Okay, so...
jordan holmes
Hey, so, again, to be clear about this, I've said this before, I have studiously avoided hearing his voice ever.
Right.
dan friesen
Sometimes it's important to listen to this.
jordan holmes
No, no.
What's important is that if you voted for that, you should have lost your right to vote and you should...
There's no...
There's no defensible reason for that being a representative of the human race.
That is a truly moronic and stupid monster.
That is a pile of fucking human garbage.
The concept of the death penalty, even for murder, is a very nebulous one.
Let alone for trying to make a fucking living.
These are small business owners, you fucking piece of shit.
Oh, they're the ones...
We're ruining our children, not the children themselves who might want to fucking get high all the time.
So do you!
unidentified
Trump has coked out all the fucking time!
jordan holmes
He's a fucking idiot!
dan friesen
This is insane!
Also, the bigger issue is drug companies, quite frankly.
jordan holmes
Oh, absolutely.
dan friesen
But so this isn't real or smart.
Or reasonable at all in the sense of, like, logistics or an idea.
But at the same time, all I really want to talk about is, like, that Alex doesn't...
Like, he doesn't play this part of the rally, and of course he wouldn't.
unidentified
Right.
jordan holmes
Because half of his listeners are fucking taking meth right now.
dan friesen
Well, what he's saying is he's advocating for it being a good idea to have the death penalty or really long sentences for drug dealers.
And Alex's principles are that he's a libertarian, allegedly, and that drugs should be legal.
So what, you're going to fucking...
Put someone to death because they're selling something that should be legal.
Alex can't wrestle with that.
This is 100% counter to Alex's stated beliefs.
jordan holmes
Hey, you know the guy that...
Trump loved so much was President Duterte from the Philippines, who was famously keeping the government out of people's business.
That was a big thing that Duterte was all about.
Sure, he was personally going out and murdering people, and still probably is, because he's a fucking human rights violation.
dan friesen
Yeah, there are charges that are being investigated about that.
jordan holmes
Yeah, he's a fucking war criminal, and that's on his own.
He's not even fighting a war.
dan friesen
He thinks he is.
Yeah, that's true.
jordan holmes
That's true.
dan friesen
The thing is, too, that Trump has in the past said that Duterte is doing a good job with the drug problem.
jordan holmes
Well, yeah.
dan friesen
If you take all the context clues from all of this, the only thing you can take away is that Trump thinks that's a good idea.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And then secondarily...
The other thing he's saying in that clip from the rally is, I went over to China and I talked about how do you not have a drug problem?
We are a ruthless state that imprisons people for long times and kills them for doing drugs.
jordan holmes
With a dictator for life now.
dan friesen
Alex can't be on board with that.
He complains about the Chai comms all the time.
jordan holmes
You would hope not.
dan friesen
Well, he can't.
jordan holmes
No, he can't, of course.
dan friesen
He can, because no one pays attention.
jordan holmes
No one pays attention.
dan friesen
His audience isn't even listening to him.
jordan holmes
You voted for Trump for one reason, and that's you're a racist piece of shit.
So, end it there.
dan friesen
Yep.
jordan holmes
You're fine with all kinds of goddamn authoritarianism because you never really had any beliefs other than fear and nonsense.
And it's bananas.
dan friesen
Totally.
jordan holmes
It is bananas that a...
dan friesen
Yep.
jordan holmes
He's still...
unidentified
Cool it.
Cool it.
jordan holmes
Is he still president after saying all that shit?
dan friesen
I think he is, yeah.
jordan holmes
Didn't we get rid of him after that?
Didn't everybody collectively go, no, this isn't what is supposed to...
This isn't what's supposed to.
dan friesen
We're through the looking glass, Jordan.
jordan holmes
This isn't what's supposed to, Dan.
dan friesen
So to the chat room, we had a couple questions.
The first one, a drink of the night is a red wine, and the hoodie that I'm wearing says Betty Ray's.
It's the name of my brother's ice cream shop out in Kansas City.
If you're ever in the Kansas City, Missouri area, go check it out.
They have some of the best ice cream.
jordan holmes
I heard it's amazing.
dan friesen
This side of the Mrs. Sip.
That's what we say in Missouri.
jordan holmes
All right, no.
dan friesen
That's how we get cool.
Jordan.
jordan holmes
In what sense?
dan friesen
Jordan, Alex.
jordan holmes
That's how we get cool in like a physical.
You jump in the Mississippi.
dan friesen
That's how we sound cool.
jordan holmes
Oh boy, you guys gotta...
dan friesen
I told you earlier, right?
That Alex Jones has been on vacation.
Yeah?
You know that?
You hear me say that?
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
I think he was talking to lawyers.
jordan holmes
I...
Why?
dan friesen
Alex says he was hanging out with his family and having some good times.
But all of that is irrelevant.
Because in reality...
jordan holmes
That is what you would do before you go to jail.
dan friesen
Yeah, you want to spend as much time in your family as possible.
But in reality, all of that is secondary to the fact that he had a breakthrough while he was over there in Colorado, allegedly.
alex jones
I have had beyond an epiphany taking off the last week, partially.
And it has shook me to my very core that I've got to be even more focused and more professional.
And more serious.
dan friesen
What do you mean by more?
alex jones
And the audience has a commitment from me that I am going to give it all I've got.
And I've been giving it all I've got.
jordan holmes
No, you've been happy.
alex jones
But at a subconscious level, I kind of feel sorry for myself.
dan friesen
That's not subconscious.
alex jones
You know, sometimes don't have that.
I, the tiger, focus that I should.
But let me tell you, it has been rekindled, not by taking time off, but by experiencing the true evil growing in this country that we cannot let win.
dan friesen
I think he's talking about us.
jordan holmes
Is he talking about himself?
dan friesen
No, no, no.
Listen to this.
alex jones
Countermeasures.
And I mean covert action now.
Not just overt.
It's time for covert operations.
dan friesen
So I think he's saying...
jordan holmes
So does he...
Has he hired somebody to try and infiltrate the two of us?
dan friesen
I don't know what he's saying, but he's saying, we gotta get into spying.
I don't know.
It's really weird, and this is a thread that's gonna continue throughout this episode, that Alex is like, we gotta spy.
Alright?
jordan holmes
That's...
dan friesen
Our enemies...
It's indicative to me that he's very worried about something.
jordan holmes
Guys, what I would like you to do is follow Ashley Beckford around, find some dirt, because she has got me over hot coals.
dan friesen
That could be a piece of it.
unidentified
For real, guys.
jordan holmes
I am fucked.
dan friesen
Yeah, I think that that's possible.
jordan holmes
I wonder if...
Is Spyville still one of his...
dan friesen
Still a sponsor?
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
I don't know.
Can't confirm or deny.
I wanted to also say that that guy who invented Pepe is...
Yes.
Everybody's like, you know, they're jumping up on this being a big deal.
And I think the guy is right to protect his intellectual property.
But in the past, he's sued other people like Mike Cernovich because Cernovich used it on the cover of his book.
And to a certain extent, I think that the argument of fair use does apply in this setting.
So I just want to be on the side of I don't think that that's a compelling argument.
I don't think that's stealing.
jordan holmes
Well, at the same time, if he were a corporation, if he were Disney, and he was calling intellectual property rights, he would have won that lawsuit 25 seconds after it was filed.
You don't fuck with Mickey Mouse.
Our entire copyright law is written about Mickey Mouse.
They keep extending the date beyond which something becomes...
Public, uh, uh, what is it?
dan friesen
Domain.
jordan holmes
Fair use?
Public domain?
Uh, specifically based on the date at which Mickey Mouse would become public domain.
dan friesen
Interesting.
jordan holmes
That's a real thing.
dan friesen
That's very weird.
jordan holmes
Look up Larry Lessig!
Lawrence Lessig.
dan friesen
I want to be on record as saying I think that Ashley Beckford and Rob Jacobson's lawsuits are very serious and deserve much more attention, I think, than...
And that's not to say that the Pepe lawsuit is frivolous by any stretch of the use of the word, but I just think that I could see a decent lawyer very easily making the argument that...
It becomes fair use in terms of interpretation and that stuff.
jordan holmes
The problem therein being is that this guy created a, you know, really non-offensive frog that turned into a Nazi symbol.
Like, that's a bummer.
dan friesen
That is a bummer.
jordan holmes
That's a real bummer.
dan friesen
That is a bummer, and you'd hope there'd be recourse, but I don't know if there is.
You know what I'm saying?
jordan holmes
It'd be like if somebody just...
Randomly grabbed a clip of ours and was like, hey, guess what?
If you guys love Nazis, this clip is the one for you.
dan friesen
Don't give people ideas.
jordan holmes
Okay, fair enough.
dan friesen
They're infiltrators.
unidentified
That's true!
jordan holmes
They're spying on us now!
dan friesen
There's covert offers.
No!
jordan holmes
We've got to stop giving InfoWars advice.
dan friesen
I don't actually think that they're spying on us, but it is interesting that Alex has reached the level of paranoia that he's publicly saying, we've got to start spying on folks and infiltrating groups.
unidentified
Well, yeah.
dan friesen
That's pretty funny to me.
jordan holmes
That's just good business.
dan friesen
So, in this next clip...
jordan holmes
I heard he's recruiting white people for Al-Qaeda.
dan friesen
Exactly.
We're going to get into that later.
Alex, in this next clip, talks about...
How, you know, there's nations that are breaking away from globalism, as he always talks about.
jordan holmes
Are we going to get into Marine Le Pen?
dan friesen
We're not.
I think he's been corrected on that.
He's not running for president right now.
jordan holmes
Well, Steve Bannon is still on that board.
dan friesen
Yikes.
But towards the end of this clip, something really funny happens.
alex jones
And every other nation on Earth is beginning its pull-away because there is a group consciousness.
There is a racial...
Cultural awareness in every human that bleeds red blood and breathes oxygen on the face of this planetoid orbiting the sun.
You can fill the void in your heart, my friends, the moment you begin to realize this is a spiritual battle.
And the moment you use free will to begin to even understand that's the case, you will feel the void Emptying, once you're conscious of that and understand that.
dan friesen
The void is then empty.
alex jones
That we only see a very limited spectrum with our five senses.
We only feel and taste and see.
jordan holmes
We have more than five senses.
dan friesen
Alex forgot the other two.
alex jones
A tiny fraction, but...
jordan holmes
What about proprioception or thermoception?
dan friesen
Alex forgot about smelling.
alex jones
I can't even feel the intergalactic space wind blowing through our souls.
Like ancient beautiful wind chimes.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
Great.
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
Ancient beautiful wind chimes.
jordan holmes
Ancient beautiful wind chimes.
unidentified
That's all we are.
dan friesen
That's all we are.
unidentified
The winds of the universe.
jordan holmes
We can feel the intergalactic space winds.
dan friesen
Yeah.
He's...
jordan holmes
What are those?
40 miles an hour?
What are we talking about there?
dan friesen
I don't fucking know, man.
That is some nonsense.
That's some hot nonsense.
So in this next clip, it's really funny.
jordan holmes
I hear it'll take the skin right off you, those intergalactic space winds.
dan friesen
I would assume that they're going Mach 40. I don't know.
Is that a thing?
jordan holmes
Mach 40?
dan friesen
Anyway, it's fun.
jordan holmes
40 times the speed of sound?
dan friesen
Always fun to hear him get a little bit esoteric up in this biatch, but now we've got to get back down to Earth from the space winds.
Space winds must carry us through the jet stream.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right, right.
dan friesen
Gently place us back onto the Earth, because Alex has got to try and get to...
jordan holmes
They're very kind to those space winds, when they want to be.
dan friesen
Very humane.
But Alex has got to get to the news, so we've got to go back to Earth.
jordan holmes
All right.
alex jones
Let me try to get into the news here.
Try.
unidentified
Because...
alex jones
I get all wound up.
dan friesen
You do.
alex jones
And I get all dialed into the news, and then I just kind of run down the rabbit trail without getting into the big issues that surround it.
But here's what's coming up today.
dan friesen
Do you want to guess what the big news is?
jordan holmes
Is this like today news?
dan friesen
Yeah, sort of.
I mean, over the weekend, I suppose.
jordan holmes
Over the weekend.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Let's see.
Newtonburg.
dan friesen
Nope.
Doesn't touch it.
jordan holmes
The ongoing crisis in Puerto Rico.
dan friesen
Doesn't touch it.
unidentified
Okay.
jordan holmes
The gun control bill.
dan friesen
Doesn't touch it.
jordan holmes
What?
dan friesen
It doesn't have a word about it.
jordan holmes
Florida?
dan friesen
Nope.
You're never going to guess what the big news is.
jordan holmes
Is it Kardashian related?
dan friesen
Nope.
jordan holmes
Okay.
I got nothing then.
dan friesen
All right, let's see what happens.
unidentified
All right.
alex jones
Tommy Robinson is a patriot.
He understands that all around him, a globalist, communist, Islamic enforced tyranny.
jordan holmes
Sure.
alex jones
An Iron Curtain is descending over Europe and the UK.
jordan holmes
The Islamic one.
dan friesen
Great, great, great, great.
So we're going to talk a lot about Tommy Robinson here in a little bit.
jordan holmes
So Islam is taking over the UK is the big news.
dan friesen
Well, I mean, that's not news if you listen to Infowars.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
It's also not news if you are in the real world.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
But we're going to talk a lot about Tommy Robinson.
But the reason that Alex Jones is talking big about Tommy...
Is because over the weekend, Tommy Robinson was out agitating at some Muslim-related events.
And then some people found him at a McDonald's and beat the shit out of him.
And apparently he fought back in like...
jordan holmes
USA!
UK!
dan friesen
Apparently the...
I think it was actually in Germany.
I'm not entirely sure.
jordan holmes
Alright, fine.
Wherever.
Beat up Tommy Robinson.
Wherever you may be.
dan friesen
The people who beat up Tommy Robinson, apparently he fought back and they ran away or something along those lines.
But everyone was laughing because there's a gif of him getting clocked, and we always love to see that.
Love it.
jordan holmes
Always punch Nazis, always punch Tommy Robinson.
dan friesen
Alex talks about this for like 10 minutes, more than that, and then has an hour interview with Tommy Robinson about all of this.
jordan holmes
That shouldn't last an hour.
dan friesen
Real talk?
All of this is...
Is them trying to retain his masculinity after he got beat up.
jordan holmes
Tommy, I heard you got your ass whooped.
alex jones
Rebuttal.
dan friesen
Actually, I beat them up.
And I'm the victim.
alex jones
I believe you.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So that's basically it.
jordan holmes
That happens to me all the time, too.
dan friesen
That's basically it.
To give some sort of...
Because I don't know if at this point most people know who Tommy Robinson is.
He's a really, really aggressive Muslim agitator.
He hates Muslims.
He is a white nationalist, almost undoubtedly.
And we're going to get into a lot of fun about him once we get to his interview.
But for now, just know, he's an InfoWars guest.
That's who he is.
And he hates Muslims.
So, Jordan.
jordan holmes
So he's an InfoWars guest.
dan friesen
Every time Alex Jones goes on vacation, something happens.
And he's got to tell the story about it when he gets back.
jordan holmes
Oh, man.
Is somebody going to be in a hot tub?
dan friesen
There's no hot tub.
jordan holmes
There's no hot tub?
dan friesen
There's no hot tub, but this story does not pass the smell test.
alex jones
But first, they dehumanize him, just like they did when I was on an airplane.
And a man walks by videotaping me, and he says, Yep, of course.
Ha ha, look, you've lost your family.
And I'm there with all four of my children, flying back from Colorado, skiing.
And I get off the plane.
I've got video.
And I go to Bagus claiming he's there.
And then he...
I'm going to put the video out.
dan friesen
Bet you are.
alex jones
We have a discussion.
He says, I deserve to go to prison.
I deserve to be taken off the internet.
But he supports free speech.
But I should be banned.
And then my son goes with Bagus.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I'm fine with that.
alex jones
And I'm getting more.
And they go over and say, do you want to throw down to him two gay guys?
And they said, we're a downtrodden group.
You're impressing us.
I'm like, I don't care if you're gay, but it doesn't matter.
They say I hate them, so they get to then go.
Two grown men, big guys, try to fight my son, and then some listener came up and said, you want to fight, fight me.
I mean, that is what this country's turned into, folks, is just gangs of thugs.
dan friesen
Okay.
This doesn't seem accurate at all.
jordan holmes
So if I understand the story correctly, person A. Videotapes Alex.
Right.
Says that he should be banned and he's the worst.
dan friesen
And ha ha, you lost your family.
jordan holmes
And you lost your family despite the evidence that his family is next to him.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
And then two separate...
dan friesen
I think so, yeah.
jordan holmes
...gay guys threaten to beat up his child.
dan friesen
Well, no, they start fucking with him at the baggage claim and then later tell Rex it's time to go.
You gotta fucking throw down.
jordan holmes
It doesn't sound right to me.
dan friesen
He tells a longer version of this story later.
jordan holmes
And I'm assuming we will hear it three more times this week.
dan friesen
I'm sure, yeah.
But we're not going to listen to it again because it's too long.
And the way he tells it is so scattershot.
He's so all over the place that it would be like a six-minute clip or something like that.
You get all of the broad strokes here.
The rest of it is like...
These weren't like your normal sissy gay men.
These were muscly gay dudes.
How do you know they're gay, first of all?
Did they say, hello, we're gay?
jordan holmes
Hello!
Excuse me, Alex, we are gay and we would like to beat up your son.
dan friesen
Exactly.
That's nonsense, I think, on many levels.
Just the idea that someone would be like, I'm going to beat up your kid is fucked up.
jordan holmes
It's very strange.
dan friesen
He's a 15-year-old boy.
There's no way.
But then secondarily...
Alex is using it as a way to make an argument that, like, see, I don't care that you're gay, but I have gay people coming up to me all the time, and they're so mad that I have a family.
Right, right.
jordan holmes
I'm justified in hating all the gay people the way that I do, not because of they're gay, but because they're prejudiced against me.
dan friesen
Because I have a family.
Yeah.
jordan holmes
I'm the victim here.
dan friesen
Oh, I mean, that's just always the case.
I'm very interested to see how this story is going to play out and evolve over the next week or so and see if we get some more globalists involved.
jordan holmes
It's like he is the worst short story writer.
Like, when he is not...
When he is not at work, he's like sitting around like J.D. Salinger with his little typewriter, poking one key at a time, and he manages to make it about three paragraphs.
dan friesen
These two adults threatened to beat up my son should be the lead.
You know what I'm saying?
jordan holmes
No, no, no.
Of course not.
Even in his stories, even his made-up bullshit, he's the headliner, man.
He's who you lead with.
unidentified
No.
jordan holmes
It's all about what happens to Alex.
And then, of course, it's like, well, they threatened to beat up my kid, too.
unidentified
But first off, that guy was videotaping me, and he said that I was bad.
dan friesen
So anyway, let's move on to a very bizarre ad pivot.
I'm telling you ahead because this isn't a normal ad pivot.
This is a very weird one.
It smells of death.
jordan holmes
I will fight all the gay men!
Also, we have 30% off!
The Easter sale is extended!
Super Male Vitality will absolutely not turn you gay!
dan friesen
Pay me to fight gays!
This is a two-part ad pivot.
The first part is sort of fear-based.
alex jones
Like Godfather 1. So now that he is on his own, we are going to be working with Mr. Robinson and trying to build a studio, trying to get him a larger team of people.
dan friesen
Just real quick, he used to work for Rebel Media, but I think because he kept going and fucking with people in public, Rebel Media was like, you can't keep doing that.
Someone's going to actually beat you up for real.
And then we're going to get sued.
You could sue us for sending you on assignment or something like that.
jordan holmes
We're bad people, but we're still Canadian.
Can't be doing this shit.
dan friesen
So anyway, Alex is saying that they're going to hire Tommy Robinson, which is great.
unidentified
Well, of course.
jordan holmes
They're going to give him his own bureau.
dan friesen
Yeah.
alex jones
And yes, it'll take money.
They do plan on killing him.
You do know he's a leader.
That's fast.
He's got a lot of charisma, a lot of passion.
He's reaching out to all the minority groups.
They love him.
Yep.
jordan holmes
Reaching out to those minority groups.
alex jones
And so he needs security.
And so that's one reason we need to expand our capital here.
dan friesen
Get us more money, because Tommy Robinson's going to die and we need to hire him.
jordan holmes
That is an aggressive sales pitch.
dan friesen
It's pretty aggressive.
jordan holmes
If you don't give us more money...
Tommy Robinson will not be able to afford a security detail, and then he will die.
dan friesen
These invading Muslims will kill him if you don't give me money.
jordan holmes
For every dollar you don't give us, that's another minute of life Tommy Robinson doesn't have.
dan friesen
He's basically holding Tommy Robinson hostage philosophically to his listeners, which is...
Bananas.
jordan holmes
I love it.
I love that sales.
dan friesen
Also, I fucking hate Tommy Robinson, so that's not going to work on me.
jordan holmes
No, I'm fine with that.
I mean, think of if instead of Dodge having those country music songs in their advertisements, they just had Dave from IT with a gun to his head.
Just like, look, buy a car or don't.
dan friesen
Or even make it more realistic.
You could have Dave be there and be like, hey, buy a car or I won't have a job.
jordan holmes
Well, that's fair enough.
dan friesen
Because then it would at least not be as completely fucked up.
jordan holmes
Hey, you're killing the auto industry unless you buy a Dodge Ram.
dan friesen
Exactly.
But all I'm trying to get to is Tommy Robinson is the kind of guy who's made his bed and now he's got a lay in it.
And if that bed involves people trying to kill you...
jordan holmes
You got it coming.
dan friesen
I'm not saying they're right, and I don't think anyone should kill people, especially over political differences.
jordan holmes
I am not saying, I am not advocating for you to kill him.
However, if he were to not be here anymore, I would not exactly be...
I would have no conflicted feelings about this.
dan friesen
I'm not even saying that.
I think it would be terrible.
I think it would be terrible if someone were to...
I think it's even terrible for people to assault him, because I think that there's better ways to deal with stuff like this.
But, boy, do I get it.
jordan holmes
Yeah, right.
dan friesen
That's where I'm at.
I fucking get it entirely.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And he's brought it on himself.
So, anyway.
jordan holmes
Well, I heard that he sold drugs one time, so that means he gets the death penalty.
dan friesen
Spoiler alert, he has been arrested for drugs.
But we'll get to that later.
jordan holmes
There you go.
Kill him.
Kill him!
The president said so!
dan friesen
We'll get to that later.
Anyway, here's the second part of the ad pivot, which is...
A little sadder.
It's a little sadder, and also, much like the Colorado airport story, I don't buy it.
alex jones
Now I'm just going to say this here on air.
We have brought in less capital this year than we brought in last year.
And that's because people think, oh, well, the election's over, we're winning.
No, we're in a sudden-death overtime, ladies and gentlemen with the Globals right now.
This is maximum energy, maximum focus, or they're going to win.
We've got specials that are so big.
Fruget was showing me the numbers while I was talking to him last night, our head of operations.
And he said, yes, we're selling way more product, boss, but you said 80% off.
We're losing money on stuff 80% off.
So he said, can we end the special today?
Because it's not making but about 5%.
He goes, yes, way more money came in, but it's all cost.
So, I give you deals so good that we're making 5% right now.
dan friesen
He's a fucking used car dealer.
jordan holmes
What is happening here?
dan friesen
My sales are so good, I'm going out of business.
That's what he's doing.
He's doing one of the oldest.
unidentified
My prices, I hope, aren't too low.
dan friesen
He's doing the oldest sleazy trick.
jordan holmes
Rick and Morty has the best bet.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So, first of all, it doesn't match, too, even within that sentence.
At the end, he's saying...
jordan holmes
We're taking a bath.
We're only making 5%.
dan friesen
That's what he's saying at the end, but at the beginning, he's saying that we're making less money.
jordan holmes
We're losing money.
dan friesen
He said they're making less money because everyone thinks that the election's over and, eh, we won.
jordan holmes
Well, that's because we're selling too much product.
dan friesen
But that would indicate...
The beginning of the sentence would indicate to me that he's selling less product, and then at the end of it, he's saying, we've sold so much product.
jordan holmes
The problem is, he's sold too much product to make too little money.
dan friesen
The underlying assumption is different in the beginning and the end of the sentence.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
I don't know what reality is.
jordan holmes
Do you know what the underlying assumption is?
dan friesen
Alex needs money.
jordan holmes
Alex needs money.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Give Alex money.
Give Alex money.
dan friesen
And his listeners don't...
He doesn't particularly care if they sort through, like, what is this guy saying?
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
So in this next clip, Alex has some...
jordan holmes
We're in sudden death overtime.
dan friesen
Yeah.
There are very few sports that have sudden death.
NFL, right?
No, because you can return.
You have to match whatever points were scored by the other team, right?
Or is it sudden death now?
I haven't watched in a long time.
jordan holmes
Who cares?
dan friesen
Hockey?
jordan holmes
You've got to shoot out.
Well, you've got to shoot out.
I mean, of course.
dan friesen
But that's like second overtime, right?
jordan holmes
Soccer as well.
dan friesen
College ball.
College sports have sudden death overtimes, right?
jordan holmes
No, they have like alternating.
dan friesen
I think he's thinking about that Jean-Claude Van Damme movie.
jordan holmes
I think so.
Bloodsport?
dan friesen
Yeah, that's the one.
So in this next clip, Alex has some thoughts about his own blood being up for sport.
No.
jordan holmes
No.
alex jones
But that's the crap I'm dealing with.
jordan holmes
Negative one point, Dan.
dan friesen
The crap he's been dealing with is the lawsuits that keep being filed.
So that's what he was saying.
alex jones
Look, I expect this.
I mean, quite frankly, they might send a hit team down here next week to get me because they know none of this is working.
Oh, and by the way, that's another big thing.
I'm not being a drama queen about this.
This is such a big deal that we can all play chess here, can't we?
dan friesen
Sure.
alex jones
We can play third-dimensional, fourth-dimensional, fifth-dimensional.
dan friesen
That doesn't mean anything.
alex jones
Evil doesn't care.
It tries to play one-dimensional.
unidentified
I like regular chess.
alex jones
It wrecks everything.
It must be powerful and have all the answers.
I'm not stupid.
And this type of demonization campaign...
He's almost always in the lead-up to someone being assassinated or imprisoned.
dan friesen
Or people have just decided, time to pay attention to this dickhole.
unidentified
It's always the lead-up to an assassination?
dan friesen
I don't know, because, I mean, was there a huge demonization campaign before RFK was killed, or before Martin Luther King was killed?
jordan holmes
Oh yeah, they sued him.
dan friesen
Well, Martin Luther King possibly, but RFK not necessarily.
There wasn't a wide public...
I think the reasons for the Martin Luther King one were a little bit more obvious.
jordan holmes
Could be.
dan friesen
I don't know.
I don't think...
I don't...
I don't know from history any examples of what Alex is talking about.
jordan holmes
Oh, Gandhi.
Remember when Gandhi was assassinated?
dan friesen
Oh, there was a vicious campaign.
jordan holmes
Vicious campaign against Gandhi.
dan friesen
Vicious disinformation campaign about how he was a snake oil salesman.
jordan holmes
Oh, yeah.
unidentified
Who else?
jordan holmes
Lincoln?
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
That one actually counts.
dan friesen
To be fair, Alex's ancestors were running.
jordan holmes
There was a whole war about that.
dan friesen
I think that Alex is just recognizing that he's probably going to prison.
jordan holmes
Or at least he's going to be very broke for a good long while.
dan friesen
He's laying the track that once that happens, I can play the victim on the other side of it.
I think that's the game that he's playing now.
jordan holmes
Here's a thought.
Oh yeah, of course.
Here's a thought.
Is it possible that Alex would make more money in prison than he would...
dan friesen
Are we talking a caged wisdom situation?
jordan holmes
I think more like people are just going to donate and they're going to be like, oh, this is against, I'm going to protect you, you know, that whole thing.
dan friesen
I could see him taking on a Mark Richards kind of profile in prison, maybe becoming a complete weirdo.
unidentified
Right.
jordan holmes
Or just the fact that his overhead is so much longer.
Like once Michael Jackson died, he started to make a profit because he was spending so much money.
dan friesen
I would say that it's unlikely that he would make more money in prison.
Once he got out, I think he would make a killing.
Because then he could sort of take that time in prison to regroup.
It would clear him from his obligations to Trump.
A lot of those other things.
When he comes out, he could claim he was a political prisoner.
jordan holmes
He would have written a book named My Struggle, parentheses, in not being Hitler, who I totally want to be.
Seriously, I dressed up like him one Halloween.
For real.
I kind of want to be Hitler, end parentheses.
dan friesen
We're going to get into someone else who's dressed like Hitler in a little bit.
jordan holmes
Sandra Bullock?
dan friesen
Yep.
Hold on.
Before we...
This podcast illustrates the dangers of immediately agreeing with something.
But in this next clip, Alex is complaining about Marina Abramovich, the artist...
jordan holmes
Well, it's about time!
Right.
She's been dominating the coverage lately.
dan friesen
She is in the fucking news cycle.
jordan holmes
The zeitgeist cannot get enough Abramovich!
dan friesen
So for everyone who's forgotten, she was the artist who was sort of wrapped up in all of the Pizzagate nonsense because she has some very edgy art about...
And there would be those spirit cooking events where they would have cheese that was supposed to be people's fatty tissues and cranberry juice that was blood and what have you.
And they'd pretend that they were eating human bodies.
jordan holmes
I don't like spirit cooking being used as a negative kind of term because...
To me, you say spirit cooking, and immediately I'm like, alright, now we're cooking with spirit.
That sounds fun.
Yeah, that sounds great.
unidentified
Whatever.
dan friesen
I don't care.
It's a lot of nonsense.
But Alex is complaining about her, and then he says this about how he knows about her rituals.
jordan holmes
Okay.
alex jones
We know all about it.
I know all about it, sweetheart.
Every stinking bit.
All of it.
I've been down the rat hole, lady.
I've seen it.
dan friesen
What?
alex jones
Further down than any of you have been.
In spirit, not in the flesh.
dan friesen
What?
I think he means he had a dream.
alex jones
And they're trying to claw as many of us down with them because they already know they are spiritually dead.
Ooh, that smell!
What's that smell?
The sound of death!
The smell of death!
The feel of death!
It surrounds you!
Ooh, that smell!
Can't you smell that smell?
dan friesen
He's doing Skinner.
jordan holmes
What's happening now?
alex jones
It's unbelievable.
jordan holmes
It is!
dan friesen
I agree, it's unbelievable.
But I kept that last part in there, specifically to draw a line between the singing country jams ten years ago and singing country jams now.
That's depressing.
That is very sad.
So anyway, Alex apparently has done some satanic rituals, but in spirit, not physically.
jordan holmes
He's been there.
dan friesen
I don't know what that means.
jordan holmes
Who hasn't spiritually dived down the rat hole?
dan friesen
I legitimately think that means he's had a dream.
I think that's what he's saying.
unidentified
Yeah, of course.
dan friesen
I had a dream that was really scary about you guys.
jordan holmes
I was jerking off to her and then I had a dream.
dan friesen
So at this point, Alex gets into really fucking gross.
jordan holmes
I don't like that.
dan friesen
He's talking about children being assaulted and doing his Don DeMello voice, basically, and just like, these globalists love to do these things to kids.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
And so thankfully, I've got...
jordan holmes
He's jumping on the fear-based sales train real hard, right out the gate.
dan friesen
I think he knows that Andy Daly's pilot podcast project is back.
jordan holmes
Yes, that sounds right.
dan friesen
He's trying to get a head start on the Don DeMello episode.
He's getting out in front of the DeMello episode.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I gotcha.
dan friesen
Which is...
That podcast's so good, everyone.
Fuck our podcast.
Go listen to that one.
jordan holmes
For real.
dan friesen
So, in this next clip, I've cut out the stuff where he's talking all that gross shit, and then I've left in this part where he screams about how Hillary is going to hell.
alex jones
And that's why they don't like me.
dan friesen
The reason they don't like him is because he talks about his weird fantasies that he was just talking about.
jordan holmes
I mean, that's one reason I don't like him.
dan friesen
Right.
alex jones
Because I know who they are.
I see you witch.
Hell is waiting for you and prepared.
And I will never falter or waver in your face.
I will continue on no matter what you do.
We will break your will.
And your God, Satan, is already broken and already defeated.
unidentified
And Jesus Christ has the keys to hell and death.
You are bound.
You are defeated.
And you know it.
alex jones
Our commitment has never been stronger.
Our will has never been stronger.
Our spirit has never been stronger.
Because we contend not against flesh and blood, but principalities.
dan friesen
What?
alex jones
In high places, the power of the air.
jordan holmes
Zoning boards.
All of it.
dan friesen
Small towns.
jordan holmes
Principalities, municipalities, you name it, we're against it.
dan friesen
Regent states.
We're against territories.
So stupid.
jordan holmes
Don't even get me started on counties.
dan friesen
Psychologically, if we're just like, you know, we break the Goldwater rule, but it doesn't matter because we're not...
Fucking trained.
jordan holmes
Also, this guy's very obvious and easy to diagnose.
dan friesen
He's very much crazy.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
But when I hear that, I hear, I'm about to give up.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
That, to me, is like, I really am tired of this shit.
I think there's something to that.
jordan holmes
You know, it is kind of amazing how long he has been doing this, because I, like, anytime I've ever had a job, every two months, there's a part of me that's like...
Do I really need this shit?
Anytime any little thing happens and I'm like, maybe I should just quit.
If I had his job, I would have quit so soon.
dan friesen
Fuck that!
I'll say that generally speaking, I'm the same way.
I get really tired of jobs and I get fed up pretty quickly, but I still love this.
To be honest, today was one of the days that was really delightful in terms of doing this.
Alex is back.
It's a breath of fresh air from these stuffy dicks he's been having guest hosts.
jordan holmes
Yeah, but nobody's suing us into oblivion.
dan friesen
No.
jordan holmes
There is a constant negative press about us all the time.
dan friesen
But see, there is, like, it was easy for him to do this show because he was doing a very different show 10 years ago, 20 years ago.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
It was much easier for him back then because he wasn't...
Operating on this level.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
dan friesen
This level, you can't keep up for long.
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
jordan holmes
Ten years ago.
dan friesen
If he was doing this for ten years, it would be over.
jordan holmes
Oh, no.
Of course.
dan friesen
It would be long over.
jordan holmes
That's what I'm saying.
You don't need this, Alex.
You've got your shit ton of money.
Frankly, you should have probably quit immediately after Trump got elected.
You should have done the whole, like, Michael Jordan, I'm retiring at the top of my game kind of thing.
dan friesen
Are you...
jordan holmes
Start your...
Start your...
Okay.
Here's the dream for Alex.
dan friesen
Alex is secretly gambling on the election or something like that?
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
jordan holmes
Alex takes complete credit for winning the election.
dan friesen
Yeah, mic drop.
jordan holmes
Retires right on the top of his game.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
Leaves it all behind.
InfoWars, of course, goes bankrupt three months later.
dan friesen
Almost immediately.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
But he starts his own podcast or some dumb shit like that.
He starts doing it on his own terms.
He starts David Letterman-ing on Netflix.
dan friesen
He becomes Bill O 'Reilly but without being forced out.
He does it on his own terms.
And then hear me out on this.
What he could do is go back to his roots and play the country music and laugh over it and scream.
He could still talk about chimeras and what have you.
All of his fun stuff.
And then, once Trump does go south...
Because he's going to.
jordan holmes
Then what he does?
dan friesen
He comes out of retirement.
jordan holmes
He comes out of- Fuck yes!
Michael Jordan all the way!
dan friesen
Exactly.
This would be such a better arc for him.
And he could make millions off that.
jordan holmes
We've got to stop giving advice to InfoWars.
dan friesen
Well, to be fair, it's too late for him to take that advice.
jordan holmes
That's true.
dan friesen
But that would have been really smart for him to do.
jordan holmes
Should we just have a career consulting gig for propagandists?
Should we just be like, listen, here are the trends, here's how this is going to go.
I know you're going to think that you're going to ride it forever.
You're not.
Retire now, because do you know what's going to happen when you come back?
You've got to go away to come back, kid.
dan friesen
You've got to.
jordan holmes
You've got to go away to come back.
I'm going to make you a star.
dan friesen
Cernovich, I've got to seat you down.
This advice that we give of going away to come back to a lot of people, I'm going to give you the same advice, but without the second half.
You've got to go.
jordan holmes
Just never come back.
David Knight.
For real, are you alive?
dan friesen
This would be a good...
jordan holmes
I need you to...
dan friesen
This would be a great TV show.
Blink twice if you're alive.
Honestly, this is up there with Get Out of It.
Like, in terms of a good consultancy for propagandists show.
Almost a shark tank kind of guy.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
I'm not going to invest in this.
Anyway, in this next clip, I told you that I'd cut out all the gross stuff, and I had to leave in a little bit because of where it goes.
It goes somewhere that I think we're all going to enjoy, but you have to hear a little bit of his grossness in order to get us there, so I apologize about that, but here we go.
alex jones
It's all about how powerful they are when they come in that room and that door opens and that little kid's chained up begging for mommy.
That makes them feel real big.
That makes them feel real powerful.
Because they've already chosen destruction.
They want to claw us down into that hell with them.
And they know hell's real.
unidentified
Politically.
alex jones
They have some weird twisted idea of computers and machines that they're going to block death and that they're going to turn into this new beautiful thing.
They're going to come from being little vampire stinking rotten meat slugs and they're going to metamorphosize into a beautiful butterfly and flap off into the beautiful void of the deep blue space.
jordan holmes
Politically.
dan friesen
He's on some singularity tip here.
unidentified
But first!
If you're like Bernie Sanders, you've got to dominate things.
Because if you get rid of all those things out there that are smart and hardworking, then you can be a real boy someday.
Like Bernie with the power Sanders!
We're so close to getting these Christians right where we want them.
You think we pulled it in Russia where I honeymooned?
All these American Christians, we're going to string them up!
And I'm going to be big!
I'm going to be in charge!
Hail Satan!
I'm Bernie Sanders!
And Satan approves my little demonic message.
alex jones
You'll all drown in...
unidentified
Is that still burning?
dan friesen
So that, to me, is 100% why you cannot have a guest host.
No one else can do that.
unidentified
No.
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
That is not good.
jordan holmes
No.
No, no, absolutely not.
It's unique.
alex jones
Yes.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
unidentified
No one can do that.
jordan holmes
That's like seeing...
That's like a first-level, second-city class doing a bar show, and somebody's got a terrible impression, and they have to keep being like...
I'm Obama!
This is me doing an Obama pressure!
You know, like that kind of thing.
They have to announce it because it's so bad.
dan friesen
Also, in our consultancy show that we do, if Alex came on, we'd be like, keep doing Bernie.
Like, this is good.
jordan holmes
Listen, this is gold.
This is gold, kid.
dan friesen
My man, this is a Domian level.
You are with the greats in terms of...
unidentified
Anyway.
jordan holmes
I think it would be better if we just kept throwing out different names like...
Is that Ed Koch?
Who's that?
Is that...
Oh, it's the giant toe thing from Looney Tunes.
unidentified
Yeah, that's...
jordan holmes
No?
dan friesen
No.
jordan holmes
Is it...
Of Mice and Men?
unidentified
No.
dan friesen
Not Lenny.
jordan holmes
Bernie?
dan friesen
It can't be.
jordan holmes
It can't be Bernie.
unidentified
It is?
jordan holmes
It's Bernie.
dan friesen
Wow.
jordan holmes
Well, then in that case, do it forever.
dan friesen
It's real good.
I can't believe that all these people who work with him don't sit him down and be like, this is not...
That impression is nuts.
It's not accurate.
It's not funny.
jordan holmes
Okay, here's what they do.
dan friesen
You know what else?
I had this fantasy while I was watching it.
This is one of the reasons that I thought...
This was a delightful day for me.
There were some flights of fancy going on.
And one of them was Owen Schroyer sitting just off camera.
Because he'd hosted for the last three or four days.
And he's just sitting there as Alex launches into that Bernie impression.
Just sitting there like, how does he do it?
Like a student watching the master.
Just sitting there like...
unidentified
God damn it.
dan friesen
I never would have thought to do that.
That's amazing.
jordan holmes
Here's what I see.
I see the closest way his employees...
Because you can't be like, Alex, this is a terrible impression.
dan friesen
Of course not.
jordan holmes
So the closest way his employees get to it is Alex will walk by an office or a cubicle and they'll be doing dueling Bernie's back and forth at each other like...
This is what he sounds like!
dan friesen
No, no, no.
unidentified
Like Steve Coogan in The Trip.
jordan holmes
Doing the Michael Caine.
dan friesen
Alex would hear them doing the impressions and he'd be like...
I am going viral in the office.
You know, he would take that as a keep going, baby.
jordan holmes
That's a good point.
dan friesen
That sort of thing, because he's a nut.
Anyway, Alex is really bent out of shape about Antifa, as he always is.
jordan holmes
Oh, they just hate fascism, and that's no fun.
dan friesen
And he's pissed off.
There is an interesting thing that, like, you know who is really against anti-fascist organizations.
jordan holmes
Fascism.
dan friesen
Exactly.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
But it's interesting here, because...
Most of the show is him talking about how Tommy Robinson got beat up, but he actually beat up more people and is super cool and is also the victim.
But one of Tommy Robinson's camera people got assaulted also, apparently.
I don't know enough.
I'm not going to watch all this video.
I don't really care.
I don't have the time.
jordan holmes
I like seeing him get punched in the face.
That's all I needed to see.
dan friesen
I don't have the time to engage with the reality of fistfights because whatever the case is doesn't charm me and I'm not interested.
jordan holmes
This isn't world star hip-hop.
dan friesen
But Alex saw this assault that happened and he's got some thoughts about what's going to happen if Antifa ever touches him.
alex jones
I'll tell you what I'd do, man.
I'm not going to say this.
Anybody attacks me, I'm going to jump on top of you.
And I'm going to jump on top of you real hard.
unidentified
And I'm going to defend myself.
alex jones
I'm not going to play games with any of you guys.
Any of you ever touches me.
I'm going to jump on top of you with my knees.
I'm going to jump up on you with my knees and I'm going to grab your head and push it back.
And 250 pounds is going to be on top of you when you go into the ground.
So just get ready.
jordan holmes
Do you mean lube up?
alex jones
People don't ever get up after you do that.
And you guys are asking for it.
That's all I'm saying.
Let's go ahead and go to this report I keep talking about where they, again, say that Trump is copying everything I say.
dan friesen
Okay.
jordan holmes
Sure.
Yeah, that's a great transition into Trump says everything I say.
dan friesen
I'm going to murder Antifa if they touch me.
jordan holmes
I am going to very, very homoerotically murder anybody in Antifa.
dan friesen
And you know what?
I think that could be used in court.
Because that makes it premeditated.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that does kind of seem like he has massive fantasies about murdering other people.
dan friesen
Just because someone touched him first, he had the plan in his head, I'm going to murder this person.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
It doesn't make that justified.
jordan holmes
Yeah, no.
That's at least murder too, right?
dan friesen
And especially, like, you can go through, like, hours and hours of video of Alex Jones being out at protests and someone bumping into him and being, I got assaulted!
unidentified
I got assaulted!
dan friesen
Call the police!
jordan holmes
Yeah.
unidentified
That's what he would do if Latifa touched him.
jordan holmes
He's a tiny little bitch.
dan friesen
But also, it's so amazing that, like, I'm gonna jump up on ya.
Like, you can't, you don't have ups, Alex.
unidentified
You don't.
dan friesen
I do not trust.
I do not trust the integrity of your hammies.
Those hamstrings don't have spring in them.
jordan holmes
You know what?
That's the real thing.
That's the issue with Tom Arnold.
He challenged him to a fist fight.
What you gotta do, challenge him to a slam dunk contest.
dan friesen
Can I ask?
I think that would be fun.
I think Tom Arnold probably is in much better shape than Alex at this point.
unidentified
But...
dan friesen
What is he even describing?
unidentified
I don't know!
dan friesen
Because I've been trying to visualize...
jordan holmes
All I heard was, I'm going to fuck you.
That's all I heard.
dan friesen
I'm gonna jump up on you.
jordan holmes
I'm gonna jump up on you.
dan friesen
With my knees.
jordan holmes
With my knees.
dan friesen
And I'm gonna put your head back.
jordan holmes
And that's 250 pounds.
dan friesen
Which is probably...
jordan holmes
And people don't wake up from that.
dan friesen
Probably generous.
But also, I'm trying to visualize, because I think maybe what he's talking about is some kind of, I'm gonna jump up, and then my knees would end up around where your shoulders are and come down on you.
jordan holmes
Is that what it is?
dan friesen
Or is the person already laying prone, and he's gonna jump up?
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
How do you put their head back?
What does that mean?
Like, push their head back?
jordan holmes
Like, do you grab it and pull it back?
dan friesen
So then the top of their head hits the ground as they fall?
I don't know what he's saying.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
I mean, it's murder, but...
unidentified
Is he just describing a pile driver?
dan friesen
Interesting.
No, because he said he's going to jump with his knees.
jordan holmes
That's a good point.
What was The Undertaker's finishing move?
dan friesen
Tombstone.
jordan holmes
The Tombstone.
Was it a Tombstone Piledriver?
dan friesen
Yeah, but he...
jordan holmes
Could be a Tombstone Piledriver.
dan friesen
He would describe that probably differently.
I know he's...
jordan holmes
Okay, fine.
We'll call it the InfoWars Piledriver.
unidentified
Whatever.
dan friesen
He's not gifted with words, but I still think he would...
I still think he would describe a Tombstone different than that.
jordan holmes
A wonderful way to describe a man whose entire life is about talking.
He's not gifted with words.
dan friesen
If Antifa touches me, I'm gonna powerbomb him.
I'm going to get him in the Cribbler crossface.
So, Jordan, the other thing...
jordan holmes
Four-leaf clover!
dan friesen
The big story of the day is that Tommy Robinson got punched.
jordan holmes
Oh, that poor man.
I am so...
My heart goes out to him.
dan friesen
Absolutely.
jordan holmes
Thoughts and prayers to his family.
unidentified
Thoughts and prayers, Tommy.
jordan holmes
Thoughts and prayers, Tommy.
dan friesen
So the B story, the junior varsity narrative, is that there have been bombs going off in Austin.
Over the last couple days.
There have been three bombs, and two of them were today.
jordan holmes
Yes!
Now, if I have read that story correctly...
dan friesen
I think you might be ahead of it.
jordan holmes
It is entirely minorities and people who have no connection with anything.
dan friesen
It appears that way, but the investigation as we record this is still ongoing.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
And they don't know a motive, but it is all black people.
jordan holmes
All I'm saying...
Now, I don't know if that is the motive or not, but Alex may think that that would be the motive, and so now he needs to proactively...
Absolve white people of this terrorist act.
dan friesen
I will read the quote from the police general guy.
I don't remember his actual title.
Quote, we don't know what the motive behind these may be.
We do know that both of the homes that were the recipients of these packages belong to African Americans, so we cannot rule out that hate crime is at the core of this.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
So they're saying, you know, we don't know that that's the case, but it's possible.
But Alex doesn't know anything.
jordan holmes
Oh, okay.
dan friesen
Alex hasn't read any stories about it.
jordan holmes
Well, that's a breath of fresh air.
dan friesen
He's just aware of the fact that there have been bombs that have gone off.
And so here is how he...
jordan holmes
Still going to absolve whites of it, is my guess.
dan friesen
Well, here's his angle.
alex jones
So, is this an anti-genification bombing?
I don't know.
I'm not saying that.
That's just the violence being promoted and what we're seeing.
I mean, these Latinx groups say, if you see a white person, mug them.
dan friesen
So, you're kind of right.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
But he's saying, I'm not saying that it is, but I'm speculating.
jordan holmes
Wait, is he saying, he said it was anti-gentrification?
dan friesen
Yeah, because there was an article in the Huffington Post recently about how anti-gentrification organizations and people who are active against gentrification have stopped putting up with the bullshit and they're starting to fight back and they want to drive businesses out of neighborhoods that are coming in specifically to gentrify them, raise the rent.
make it so people can't afford to live the places where they live.
And Alex didn't read the whole article because it's pretty long.
And he thinks that it's positive.
He thinks that the Huffington Post article is saying, hooray for these people getting violent about anti-gentrification causes.
It's not.
jordan holmes
It's not pro or con.
unidentified
It's just like, hey, check this shit out.
jordan holmes
Crazy, right?
dan friesen
It's probably pro in terms of that gentrification does damage people who can't afford rising rent prices.
jordan holmes
Hey, let's move these people to slums.
dan friesen
And I also even think that from my reading of the article, it's anti, to a certain extent, the tactics because of what can come from that and how it can escalate.
So it's kind of a mixture of those things.
It's just a reportage.
But Alex thinks it's positive.
And so he has now put that bugaboo into his Rolodex.
And he's saying that...
jordan holmes
They're coming after whites!
dan friesen
Well, also because that article said Austin.
It mentioned Austin in the cities that are fighting back against gentrification.
jordan holmes
So now he's combined those.
dan friesen
And this bombing to him, he's suspecting that, oh, it must be involved with this article I didn't read.
But I saw the headline.
But it deteriorates pretty quickly.
His narrative of saying, I don't know what it is.
Is it possible that it's these anti-gentrification folks?
It evolves very fast.
alex jones
We're going to go to break.
Come right back.
We've got Owen Schroyer on the ground at the second bombing.
That's not a laughing third bombing in Austin for Southwest.
Is Antifa behind it?
I smell a little Antifa boobies.
jordan holmes
Sounds like Antifa.
You know, if there's one thing I know about Antifa, their tactics, bombs.
Old-timey cartoon bombs with the skull and crossbones on them and the giant...
alex jones
Like a Bob-om.
jordan holmes
Yeah, exactly.
dan friesen
From Mario.
jordan holmes
Yep, a Bob-om.
dan friesen
No, it's Bob-om.
Bob-om.
It's B-O-B slash O-M-B, Bob-om.
jordan holmes
Really?
I thought it was B-O-M-B dash U-M.
dan friesen
No, no, no, no.
jordan holmes
All right.
dan friesen
This is a conversation that has almost ended friendships in my past.
Sitting around really high in someone's garage.
It's a Bob-um.
No, it's a Bob-um.
It's a Bob-um.
I don't want to revisit this.
This podcast is too important.
jordan holmes
I thought it was Sex Bob-omb.
dan friesen
No.
jordan holmes
From Scott Pilgrim vs.
the Universe.
dan friesen
Sex Bob-omb!
You're a Sex Bob-omb!
Tom Jones.
unidentified
All right.
dan friesen
Anyway, Alex has decided that the narrative I'm going to go with is that...
jordan holmes
It's Antifa.
dan friesen
Confirmation here from the chair room that it's Bob-omb.
jordan holmes
All right.
dan friesen
B-O-B dash O-M-B.
jordan holmes
Okay.
All right.
All right.
dan friesen
Anyway, this is where Alex's narrative sits, but again, he hasn't read any articles.
He doesn't know anything about it.
So that's just rank speculation that he's making.
Also, Mike Adams shows up on the show to talk about how his YouTube channel got deleted and I don't give a shit.
It's boring, so who cares?
But just to note that he was on the show, congratulations, Mike Adams from naturalnews.com.
jordan holmes
Great.
dan friesen
Good work, dude.
So now, at this point, Tommy Robinson shows up.
Yes.
He's complaining about Muslims quite a bit.
And so Alex, as we know...
jordan holmes
Still pissed people confuse him for Tommy Davidson all the time.
dan friesen
At the beginning of the show, as we know, Alex is like, it's time for covert action, baby.
unidentified
Gotta.
jordan holmes
Gotta spy.
dan friesen
So Alex has a suggestion for Tommy in terms of how you can get some work done.
alex jones
Wear trench coats.
You need to recruit a Sikh or an Indian to go undercover and record the mosque and blow their entire operation.
It's time for covert action.
dan friesen
I think that's the new shirt.
It's time for covert action.
jordan holmes
It's time to pray.
dan friesen
That's the new It's Time to Pray.
jordan holmes
It's time to pray for covert action.
dan friesen
So, let's talk about Tommy Robinson.
Let's do it.
His interview has come up.
And we're not going to listen to most of it, because I hate him.
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
He's the fucking worst.
So, Tommy Robinson, his real name is probably Stephen Lennon.
unidentified
What?
dan friesen
Although, it's also possible that his name is Paul Harris.
jordan holmes
What?
dan friesen
It's unclear.
jordan holmes
What?
dan friesen
Tommy Robinson is absolutely not his real name.
unidentified
Wait, what?
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
What?
dan friesen
It's unclear.
jordan holmes
We can't find out what his real name is?
dan friesen
He was, in one of the times he was arrested, he was charged as Stephen Lennon, but the judge said, I'm not convinced this is your real name, but I'm charging you under this name, because whatever.
jordan holmes
That's what I want to hear a judge say.
dan friesen
So, Tommy Robinson is a dickhole, and he started this organization called the European Defense League, the EDL.
Which he claims is a non-racist organization, but all...
jordan holmes
Which is exactly what somebody who starts a racist organization says.
dan friesen
All of their history shows that not to be the case.
Their ranks are filled with devout racists, white nationalists, and soccer hooligans.
Because the drunks like to get involved because there's a lot of fights.
jordan holmes
Gotta have some fun.
dan friesen
They have demonstrations regularly.
Tommy Robinson isn't involved with them anymore.
He left the organization in 2013.
Ironically, because he complained they were getting too racist.
jordan holmes
Oh, well, that's nice.
dan friesen
It's nice that everyone has their limits.
It's good.
jordan holmes
That's a start.
dan friesen
From the beginning, they would have demonstrations, protests, which would almost invariably deteriorate into drunk fighting.
People would just get into scraps.
Here's a quote about them from the Bedfordshire Police Department, a gentleman by the name of Mark Turner.
Quote, We have had a series of marches where we've seen damage to property, we've seen people being assaulted, we've seen the odd racist attack, and that quite simply can't be tolerated.
In 2011, a Yorkshire concert named Rage Against Racism was attacked by EDL supporters.
Quote, A group of around 15 people, estimated to be aged between 16 and 23, barged into the premises shouting and chanting EDL, said Kevin Barry, assistant manager of the venue holding the event.
Quote, they were throwing bottles and rocks.
The police attended quickly and arrests were made.
So they have a long history of just being real drunk shitheads who go around and agitate towards liberal stuff.
And they're a mess.
jordan holmes
The people who claim to not be racist always seem to be the ones throwing rocks whenever a rally for not being racist happens.
dan friesen
It is interesting.
jordan holmes
It seems to be very consistent over time.
dan friesen
It seems like the same sort of thing you track with who's mad at anti-fascism.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Same sort of vibe.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it seems odd.
It seems odd that the people who insist they're on your side always wind up being...
Not on your side.
dan friesen
So, from at least 2015 onward, Tommy Robinson has been involved in the British chapter of an organization called Pegida.
jordan holmes
I'm already out.
That's a dumb name.
dan friesen
It's a German organization, so maybe that'll change your mind.
It won't.
jordan holmes
It doesn't.
dan friesen
Pegida was founded by a man named Lutz Bachmann, a German man who's been arrested for possession of cocaine a number of times, as well as failure to pay child support.
jordan holmes
Death penalty!
dan friesen
He's super against...
He's convinced that Europe is being Islamified, so he started PEGITA, which stands for Patriotic Europeans Against the Islamization of the Occident, to fight against...
jordan holmes
Too long.
Too long a name.
dan friesen
Well, that's why I call it PEGITA.
jordan holmes
Too long.
dan friesen
So he's created that organization to fight against Muslim immigration.
Ironically, in 1998, after he was sentenced to three years in prison for burglary and theft...
jordan holmes
Kill him!
Death penalty!
dan friesen
He fled Germany and became a criminal immigrant himself and settled in South Africa.
jordan holmes
Great.
unidentified
Great, great, great, great.
dan friesen
Yeah, baby.
jordan holmes
Love it.
dan friesen
That's not hypocritical at all.
So, his first rally with Pegida was held in Dresden, which is the city...
jordan holmes
Well, it was the only choice that he had to make.
See, he was being persecuted in his own country.
dan friesen
No, this is before that.
jordan holmes
No, that's all I'm saying.
I'm just saying that in his own home country, he was not welcome anymore.
He was being maybe unfairly discriminated against in his mind.
So he needed to leave and he needed to go somewhere else.
And thank God he was accepted somewhere else.
dan friesen
In South Africa.
jordan holmes
It's really important to...
dan friesen
Hanging out with the sweet landers.
Yeah.
jordan holmes
I'm glad his white nation fucking came in.
dan friesen
So anyway, he ended up getting extradited back and had to do some time.
jordan holmes
Kill him!
dan friesen
His first rally for Pegida was held in Dresden because he thought that that city was a great example of the Islamification.
unidentified
Islamification.
dan friesen
Yeah, whatever.
But unfortunately, that city only contained at the time 750 Muslims out of 536,308 people, which made it a population density of 0.14%.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Great.
Real scary.
jordan holmes
Islamified.
Yeah.
When you know everybody who worships Allah by name, Probably not enough people in your situation to be Islamified.
dan friesen
A picture of Bachmann dressed up as Hitler came to the surface a little while back, and his organization pretty regularly uses terms like Lügenpress, which is the Nazi word for the lying Jewish press.
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
Many accuse the organization of basically being Nazi in nature, and it appears that this may be the case, as Pegida members often go on, quote, strolls, which are basically just people getting together to protest about the presence of Muslims in their cities.
And they end up getting in fights.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
It's a bad look.
Anyway, Tommy Robinson was pretty deeply involved with the UK chapter of this organization, and the organization seems to really just be about drunk fights.
jordan holmes
What's the law that an internet conversation is over when somebody gets called a Nazi?
Is that Godwin's law?
dan friesen
Something like that.
jordan holmes
Something like that, right?
unidentified
Yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
That is an issue, because now everybody is afraid...
dan friesen
Oh, we got Nazis, though.
jordan holmes
Everybody's afraid to call something a Nazi, but when it is a Nazi...
dan friesen
You know who came up with that rule?
jordan holmes
You gotta call it a Nazi!
dan friesen
You know who came up with that rule?
A Nazi.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's a good point.
dan friesen
So anyway, Tommy Robinson, he went and gave speeches for this Pegida organization and was heavily involved in it after the point where he left his own organization, the EDL, because he said they were too racist.
So he jumps in with a literally Nazi white nationalist organization.
jordan holmes
So, EDL, get your shit together.
Apparently, you're more racist than Nazis.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Also, Tommy Robinson was arrested and jailed for assault in 2005.
jordan holmes
Kill him!
Death penalty!
dan friesen
Further, Tommy was arrested in 2011 for being involved in a brawl at a rally for the EDL.
jordan holmes
Kill him!
Death penalty!
dan friesen
And he was sentenced to 12 months of community rehabilitation.
jordan holmes
Not long enough.
Death penalty.
dan friesen
In 2012, he was sentenced to 10 months in prison for traveling internationally with a fake passport.
Tommy had been refused entry into the United States because he is a hate.
So he used his friend Andrew McMaster's passport to travel internationally.
He got caught when they took fingerprints when he arrived in New York and he ended up having to go to prison for 10 months.
jordan holmes
That's a smart thing for them to do.
Kill him!
Death penalty.
dan friesen
In 2013, Tommy was convicted of committing mortgage fraud and he was sentenced to 18 months in prison.
He conspired with others to use fraudulent information to obtain mortgages from multiple banks.
jordan holmes
How much time do you have to do before you're not welcome on Infowars?
unidentified
I don't know.
jordan holmes
There's no limit.
What, ten years?
What are we talking about?
unidentified
There's no limit.
dan friesen
They're all con men.
jordan holmes
How much time do you gotta do?
dan friesen
They're all con men and career criminals.
unidentified
It's a mess.
jordan holmes
But when is a con man ever going to be like, whoa, you're too hot for us?
dan friesen
Right, right.
jordan holmes
Come on.
dan friesen
I don't know.
But also, he's conning all these anti-Muslim people, because he is super anti-Muslim, but for all of his hatred of Muslims, he did send a message to one Muslim on Twitter saying, quote, you're pretty fit for a Muslim.
And he sent another one saying, quote, I don't want to get rid of all Muslims, least of all pretty girls like yourself.
Both of these messages, Jordan, were sent to 15-year-old girls.
jordan holmes
All right.
I was fucking terrified you were about to say Malala.
unidentified
No.
dan friesen
He's fucking underage girl creeping on Twitter and being like, look, I don't hate all Muslims, you're beautiful.
unidentified
Also, that is a bad pickup line.
jordan holmes
That is a bad...
Listen, I'm a prejudiced monster, but now when it comes to your sweet tits, like, no, that's not a pickup line.
dan friesen
You're so sexy, I get over my bigotry.
But only momentarily.
Only temporarily.
jordan holmes
I would hate your brother.
I would hate your brother.
Suspiciously like a slave owner.
That's what that sounds like.
dan friesen
Dude, it's just so stupid.
Like, you have people where it's like...
Your bigotry isn't even consistent.
I don't even respect your bigotry.
I don't even respect him as a legitimate enemy or someone to even give the time of day to.
He's a fucking career criminal who's playing out a massive scam that is now...
I mean, granted, he does have a history of being a racist and a borderline Nazi throughout his entire career, and some of that probably is genuine, but it's also obvious that on some level, throughout his life, he found that, like, I can make a lot of money...
Off of this.
Like the EDL, he was making tons of money running this organization.
I'm sure the dues and donations and stuff that he got from fellow bigots was massive.
jordan holmes
Right, just like the KKK was essentially Amway.
dan friesen
Exactly.
And so he found that hustle and now he's using it.
I mean, he got a job at Rebel Media through it.
And now he's getting...
At the end of this episode...
jordan holmes
How did he get past a background check?
dan friesen
They don't do background checks.
jordan holmes
There's so many jobs where it's like, oh, you did a year for marijuana possession so you can't work at McDonald's and this fucking guy.
dan friesen
They don't do background checks at Rebel Media.
jordan holmes
Hey, wow, man.
Guys, you really should.
dan friesen
The thing, too, is that, like...
jordan holmes
We could really turn one of these propaganda outlets around.
We could really turn it into a...
dan friesen
Get him into shape.
jordan holmes
Oh, we could turn it into a tight operation.
dan friesen
Goddamn.
At the end of this episode, Alex announces that he's sending Tommy $20,000 that he doesn't have to give.
And it's him saying, I need the audience to give me more money because I'm supporting this guy, giving him money.
Nice little gambit.
That's why he's doing this.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Is because he gets Alex Jones sending him $20,000 that he doesn't fucking need to use a fucking handycam and go antagonize Muslims on the street.
He doesn't need any money to do that.
He could do everything for free.
This is all a scam.
jordan holmes
Hey, if you're good at something, never do it for free.
dan friesen
The bigotry is all a fucking scam.
And if you look at this dumbass's career, that's what you walk away from it from.
So Tommy Robinson can preemptively go fuck himself.
We don't need to wait until the end of this episode.
jordan holmes
Yeah, this guy sucks.
dan friesen
He sucks.
I hate him.
unidentified
I always wonder who is worse.
jordan holmes
Because these kinds...
dan friesen
Who or who?
jordan holmes
Who or whom?
How dare you?
These guys are at the heart of all of these.
Like, at every racist movement.
You wind up coming back to a con man, a propagandist, a demagogue, those kinds of things.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Who doesn't really believe in any of this shit?
He's scamming dumb people.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
Like, who is worse?
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Like, to a certain extent, I almost identify with the guy who's like, dude, I'm just trying to make a living too.
This is my hustle.
You work a nine-to-five.
I can't pull that off.
So I found my own scam to run.
What is a CEO but a scam artist at the end of the day?
They're not worth 150 times your salary, so fucking do it to it.
dan friesen
I would say that I more identify with the people who find themselves under the sway because of my experience with the evangelical church.
And how much I look back on that, I'm like, I should not have gone along with all of these youth.
And what have you, but because of vulnerability, alienation as a child, any number of things that set the fuse...
There's situations you can find yourself in where you fall under the charismatic influence of someone like Tommy Robinson.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
Now, I would say that they're both terrible, but to use Alex Jones' sort of cosmology or things that he talks about, he talks about the Judas goat.
He talks about, like, Glenn Beck being a Judas goat.
And that idea is the one that leads all the rest of them to slaughter.
You know, you got the one who doesn't get killed that leads everyone else to their downfall.
unidentified
Right, right, right.
dan friesen
And I think that the leaders are worse.
Because without them...
I mean, you just find another bigot leader, probably.
jordan holmes
That's kind of the thing.
I think the issue is the system.
It's just human beings.
dan friesen
Let's say Tommy Robinson doesn't exist, or whatever.
Of the...
I don't know how to estimate his audience size, but let's just, for the sake of argument, say it's 100,000 people.
jordan holmes
Every single person named Skylar in the world.
dan friesen
Maybe.
Let's say it's 100,000 people, right?
If Tommy Robinson wasn't there...
I would say, conservatively, 90,000 would end up under the sway of some other charismatic European fascist.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
But 10,000 might find a hobby.
They might find, like...
You know what I'm saying?
jordan holmes
So, I mean...
dan friesen
10,000 people is not nothing.
jordan holmes
No, no, I agree.
But your argument kind of boils down to, like, well...
These people could be massive, horrible, racist bigots, or they could be into woodworking.
dan friesen
Well, I mean, 10% might be, obviously, a random number, and maybe it's too high.
But there is a subsection of those people that aren't really out-and-out bigots, necessarily.
They're there because they need a social group.
There are some people who are...
I know that that's...
jordan holmes
Well, so many Christians don't actually believe in any of that garbage.
They just need to, like, yeah.
It's cool to be around other people.
dan friesen
Exactly.
jordan holmes
You can go bowling with friends or you can join a church.
Like, I get it.
Yeah.
dan friesen
And to some extent, 10,000 of the 100,000 that we're hypothetically talking about, maybe, again, maybe it's too high.
But some percentage of those people could find a healthy alternative that is just as appealing to them.
Maybe a rotary club.
I don't even know what that is.
But you could find something.
You could find a bingo night if you're fucking really old.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
You know, there's something that you could...
jordan holmes
Singles meetups.
dan friesen
You can do the whole thing.
Right.
Any of those.
You could join a bowling league.
You could do...
There's a hundred different examples where you can create a social life that isn't entrenched in bigotry.
But I agree with the underlying premise that most people would end up finding another charismatic magnet.
But, anyway, all this is to say that Tommy Robinson sucks.
jordan holmes
Also, weirdly enough, do you know why people join pool leagues?
Bigotry.
All pool leagues?
Entirely run by bigots.
dan friesen
I believe that.
I don't like pool much.
My buddy Nicky Gifts...
jordan holmes
You shoot some nine ball and you hile the Hitler.
That's what you do at pool halls.
dan friesen
My buddy Nicky Gifts was in a bowling league back when we lived in Missouri.
And I used to go to his bowling games every now and again because it's an excuse to just drink.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
And they were playing against this one team called Kill Bill.
And one of the guys on the team was named Bill.
It was three women and Bill.
And we quickly realized why that was the name of the group, because he was a fucking asshole.
jordan holmes
Oh, okay.
I thought it was just a, like, that's a solid theme.
dan friesen
No, he would scream at the pins, stand up and fight!
Whenever the opponents were bowling.
jordan holmes
Kill Bill.
dan friesen
He'd get really drunk, and then he would come over to our table, because we were young dudes.
Not many young dudes in there.
And he would just try and tell us jokes.
And the only one I remember is...
I apologize for saying...
Eh, I don't apologize.
jordan holmes
This isn't going to go well.
dan friesen
It's a bad joke.
jordan holmes
This isn't going to go well.
dan friesen
He came over really drunkenly and sort of leaned on the arm bar.
And he's like, Hey, guys.
Why do women have periods?
jordan holmes
No, I'm out.
dan friesen
And we're like, Why?
And he's like, Because they fucking deserve them.
And then you look over at the girls on his team and they're just like...
Fucking shit.
alex jones
Kill him.
dan friesen
But he was really good at bowling.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
Anyway.
jordan holmes
Fair enough.
dan friesen
This is all to say that Tommy Robinson sucks.
jordan holmes
Tommy Robinson sucks.
dan friesen
At this point, Alex Jones makes a startling confession on the show.
I think that what he's saying might be...
I don't know if this is legal.
alex jones
We looked up some of these people.
We infiltrated some of their meetings.
We put some PIs on them.
They're all rich kids.
dan friesen
He's talking about Antifa.
alex jones
I thought they were just meth heads or something in their mom's basement.
No.
These are corporate people.
Their parents make a million dollars a year, half a million a year.
One of them heads up Time Warner here in town.
And then they're out there leading this crap.
I mean, these are evil people.
So yeah, we've been falling into your houses and stuff.
Start threatening our boards and stuff.
We've got at least 20 of the leadership of Antifa, where you live, what you're doing.
We're not playing games, okay?
And Tommy Robinson didn't play any games.
I'm going to make an announcement coming up in the next segment.
dan friesen
That next segment, the announcement is that he's giving Tommy Robinson $20,000.
jordan holmes
First off, meth heads don't live in their mom's basement.
They're not allowed there anymore.
That's how meth head works.
If you are still living in your parents' basement, you are not yet a meth head.
You're just somebody who enjoys meth.
The moment you are kicked out is when you become a meth head.
dan friesen
I don't know how much I trust.
Based on my experience of looking into Alex Jones' research methods and how his endgame bibliography is full of holes like Swiss cheese, I don't know if I trust him to use legitimate PIs for this undercover work that he's doing.
I think he's stalking people.
jordan holmes
I kind of skipped over that just because I was like...
No, you didn't hire a PI.
A friend you know said, this guy does PI work.
dan friesen
Harrison Smith is doing it.
One of his underlings is probably doing it.
This is stalking.
This isn't detective work.
jordan holmes
Yeah, he just said, hey, I got people committing crimes over here.
Yeah, that's right.
We followed you to your home.
dan friesen
Yeah, that makes me very uncomfortable.
jordan holmes
No, I don't like that.
dan friesen
And if he does know about us, he's stalking us too.
jordan holmes
I know, that'd be fun.
dan friesen
There's some Chicago info warrior, probably, who's, like, following us around and we don't realize it.
jordan holmes
That'd be fun.
dan friesen
Now we're getting into Alex Jones' levels of paranoia.
That is not going on.
jordan holmes
See, again, the only way that...
This is why I know that the world is going to be fine.
The only way you and I die.
dan friesen
At the hands of an info warrior?
jordan holmes
At the hands of Alex Jones fighting atop a volcano, of course.
dan friesen
Right, that's the only...
jordan holmes
That's the only real way that we can go down.
dan friesen
Yeah, I die, and then you avenge me.
Yeah, exactly.
Through a banshee-like scream that you yell at Alex and knock him.
jordan holmes
I have that power?
dan friesen
That's what I imagine.
jordan holmes
That's what I discover?
dan friesen
Also, I think that saying the son of the head of Time Warner, we've been stalking him, it borders on doxing.
Because it's easy to figure out who that is.
Right.
I don't know, man.
It makes me very uncomfortable.
It makes me very, very uncomfortable.
And Alex can't prove any of the things he's acting like Antifa is an actual centralized organization.
jordan holmes
Yeah, no kidding.
dan friesen
Which it's not.
I don't trust him to have infiltrated things.
I don't trust him to act on information that he gleans from infiltrating things appropriately.
I don't trust him to...
I don't know.
jordan holmes
Anything.
dan friesen
I don't trust anything.
jordan holmes
That's actually an interesting line of thought to follow down, which is something that's always frustrated me whenever we start talking about it, for specifically Antifa and the like.
The idea is, or Occupy Wall Street.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
Like, if a rich person is involved at any point, the opposite side will use that to invalidate everybody.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
So even if, like we were talking about with What's-His-Fuck, who was putting on the concert with David Rothschild, right?
So his heart is in the right place.
He's trying to do the right thing.
He just so happens to have all of this money.
If he is involved in anything, despite the fact that because of his money, he is far more capable of being involved in anything than most other people.
If he is involved, that invalidates Everything for everybody.
So, one of the central struggles of an Antifa or the like is the idea that from the outside, any lack of purity means you are worthless is such a huge hurdle to overcome it.
It's dangerous.
I don't think there's any way to actually overcome it, right?
dan friesen
It's dangerous.
And the thing that I wrestle with is when we, like on our last episode, we were talking about 2008 stuff.
To what extent is what you're describing relevant to the idea that all of these people who work for Koch-funded think tanks are the ones who are building these narratives for Alex and stuff like that?
And I think it's different, but I'm not entirely sure how to articulate why.
But I do think it's different than David Rothschild being involved in charitable stuff.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
I don't know.
It's really complicated, but I agree.
I agree that it's a problem for both sides, to some extent.
jordan holmes
I would say it's far more a problem for people who are correct.
Because if you are correct, if, well, for instance, Antifa, if you just boil it down to, we're against fascism, you are correct.
dan friesen
Yeah.
unidentified
Right?
jordan holmes
And if you are right, you are far more easily chipped away at, because...
There's no kind of amorphous ability to dodge and weave.
All you have is reality.
dan friesen
All you have is that you're right.
jordan holmes
Whereas with the conservative movements, like the Tea Party or whatever, because they don't actually believe anything, then you can say, oh, well, your ideology isn't pure, and they're just like, what are you talking about?
Who gives a shit?
Why are you saying ideology?
We don't believe in anything.
dan friesen
No.
jordan holmes
The only thing that we ding other people's impurity for is hating guns or not hating black people.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
Like, that's all we really believe in.
dan friesen
We're believing in climate change.
jordan holmes
Yeah, exactly.
dan friesen
Yeah, I don't know.
It's really complicated.
And I think, I hope that this is a line of thought that we can, you know, continue to keep in our hearts as we go along and look at, like, because we're going to continue doing the path down 2008, the beginning of the Tea Party.
I think it is important to have that lens to self-criticize to a certain extent.
But anyway, let's get back on task.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Because I don't think we're going to resolve this in any way.
jordan holmes
No, I think we're going to nail it.
dan friesen
Yeah, probably.
jordan holmes
That was a very polite way of saying, Jordan, please don't bring this up right now.
dan friesen
No, it's not.
I would have cut you off way earlier if that was the case.
So this next clip, Alex evolves his theory about the Austin bombings, but also says something.
Very troubling.
unidentified
Oh, boy.
alex jones
Tommy Robinson, folks, one of the greatest living patriots with his great career.
I want to get a final comment from both of them.
dan friesen
So, real quick, we'll pause there, because that's the troubling thing.
jordan holmes
Is that the most troubling thing?
dan friesen
Yeah, because...
jordan holmes
One of the greatest living patriots...
dan friesen
Tommy Robinson has done about...
jordan holmes
Eight years in jail time.
dan friesen
And Tabir Robinson is from England.
jordan holmes
Well, he's one of the...
Hey, Thomas Jefferson was from England.
dan friesen
Right, but that's different.
Again, we talked about this before.
Once you've created a new country...
jordan holmes
I know, I'm just never going to stop breaking that up.
dan friesen
It makes me laugh.
When Alex says he's a great patriot, he's not talking about patriotism as being something related to love of country.
He's talking about an ethnic...
Right.
He would call it the West, or whatever.
But the fact that Alex Jones thinks that Tommy Robinson is one of the greatest living patriots means that what he swears allegiance to is not the United States.
jordan holmes
It's white!
dan friesen
It is white.
jordan holmes
It's white.
dan friesen
That is what's more important.
And that's a dangerous fucking thing, and it's a damning tell that he keeps saying that Tommy Robinson is a great patriot.
jordan holmes
You could describe as a global collective trying to run everything with its hands in it.
Like, I think he's a globalist.
dan friesen
Oh boy.
jordan holmes
I think he's a whitelist.
dan friesen
Anyway, let's get back to this clip.
alex jones
About what's coming next.
This is amazing.
And then we've got our reports.
This is the scene of the third bombing.
We've got multiple.
We've got deaths.
We're going to talk about it all here in Austin.
Probably communist bombings.
Stay with us.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
Great.
jordan holmes
Way to wait until all the information is in, Alex.
dan friesen
Without having read any articles.
Without having any information.
jordan holmes
Probably communist.
dan friesen
He's now evolved.
He's talked himself into it.
It's probably communist.
jordan holmes
Probably communist.
dan friesen
So here he reiterates.
unidentified
Yes, they did do a sweep of other houses.
alex jones
Stay there.
Let's come back and talk about this live, exclusive coverage from the site of what's probably commie bombings.
dan friesen
So, I think he's figured out that that rolls off the tongue.
Commie bombings.
jordan holmes
Commie bombings.
dan friesen
So, unfortunately, towards the end of the show, one of his interns read an article.
jordan holmes
He is a communist who bombs him.
dan friesen
No.
Someone read an article.
And got the information to Alex that all of the victims have been African-American.
jordan holmes
Oh, no.
I wish he didn't know.
If he didn't know and all he said was commie bombing, I feel like that would be far less offensive than what he is about to say.
dan friesen
No, it's actually not offensive.
It's kind of funny.
jordan holmes
Really?
dan friesen
Because Alex is trying to integrate information, and you get to see him trying to process...
jordan holmes
You get to see his wheels spin and gears break down as smoke and steam come out of his ears.
dan friesen
Basically.
This is fascinating.
alex jones
By the way, everyone that's been bombed in the last week is black.
So, it's a white supremacist, mental patient, teenager.
Or it's some type of Mexican mafia deal, because that, all over the country, Mexican mafia does not like black folks.
jordan holmes
What?
alex jones
And tries to drive them out.
That's a well-known major friction there.
Or it's some type of weird South by Southwest related deal.
Or it's anti-fuck, because they're prime suspects, because they're always saying they're going to attack everybody.
Not generally black people.
So, I have no idea what's going on here.
dan friesen
I wish you'd say that more often.
jordan holmes
You should start there and then not instead give four wildly disparate and ridiculous examples first.
dan friesen
Exactly.
jordan holmes
Or perhaps stop giving the most likely example first, Billy.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
And then being like...
It's probably Antifa, though, because they hate black people, even though historically they don't.
They probably do.
dan friesen
I have no idea what's going on should be on his fucking family crest.
jordan holmes
Like...
dan friesen
The fact that he gets there eventually is kind of nice.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
But along the way, it is so stupid of him and so irresponsible that he pitches all of these possible ideas that he thinks might be going on with this and has done an entire show where it's been rank speculation that it's a commie bombing over the course of it.
jordan holmes
His family crest is just a hyena with a question mark over its head.
dan friesen
Yeah.
It's pathetic.
You know, I have, from the jump, been very anti the conversation about fake news.
I think that's very counterproductive.
The idea of what can be thrown back and forth.
And I don't think it's relevant to this conversation at all.
What this is, is bad work.
It's not even like this isn't about him saying something that's fake in terms of I think this is a commie bombing.
Right.
unidentified
Because if he said that, that's fine.
dan friesen
That's opinion.
That's editorializing or whatever.
But the fact that he goes off half cocked and creates narratives that he's pushing throughout the show only to get some information at the end of the show that was available before.
Right.
I don't know what's going on Thereby invalidating all of the narratives that he's built before, but I guarantee tomorrow he's going to be saying it's Antifa.
jordan holmes
Or a commie bombing.
dan friesen
It's just bad work.
It's someone who's not good at their job, unless their job is screaming weird things about hell and Satan and then launching into a Bernie Sanders impression.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right.
dan friesen
Then you're doing a great job.
jordan holmes
Well, I mean, fake news is ultimately just a euphemism for lies so that the media doesn't have to say...
They're lying to you.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
Because that's a faux pas of some sort.
So, yeah, you're right.
This isn't fake news.
This is just a guy who's like, I am not interested in this story.
dan friesen
It's a hack.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
He's a hack.
Yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
I'm just going to toss out whatever shit I feel like, and then we'll sort the damage later.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So anyway, that brings us to the end of our show.
We have had some interesting times.
I believe.
Welcome back, Alex.
I wanted to get the Welcome Back Cotter theme song queued up for you, but I fucked that up.
jordan holmes
Didn't happen.
dan friesen
Also, dreams are not your ticket out.
You're going to prison.
jordan holmes
And if you're not going to prison...
You're going to be poor.
dan friesen
Yeah.
We're glad to have you back in that hosting chair, though, because the rest of your crew sucks.
jordan holmes
And when you're poor and contrite, I would be interested in talking to you, Alex.
dan friesen
I would not.
I don't care.
I will talk to you once you're in prison, because I want a wall between us.
jordan holmes
Oh, that's a good point.
dan friesen
Because he might jump up with his knees at me.
jordan holmes
And pull your head back.
dan friesen
Exactly.
And people do not get up from that.
jordan holmes
And you will be inserted upon.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
So, I don't know, man.
This is sad.
The present is still incredibly sad.
And it's getting sadder with the idea that he's going to fucking hire Tommy Robinson, nay, Stephen Lennon, or possibly Paul Harris.
jordan holmes
That's such a...
How much time has he done?
Aggregate.
dan friesen
It's been years.
jordan holmes
It's been like four years at least, right?
dan friesen
I don't know.
That might be high.
jordan holmes
From what you've described.
I mean, I suppose the community service...
Doesn't really count.
dan friesen
Well, like, he had drug arrests, and the arrest for assault in 2005, I couldn't find, like, conviction sentences on those things.
So those could have been issues where he got off on, like, time served or something like that.
jordan holmes
On being white.
dan friesen
Sure, he could have gotten away with some sort of slap on the wrist and those.
The only ones that I found certain...
Sentences on were the 12 months of community rehabilitation, 10 months in prison for the fake passport, and 18 months in prison for the mortgage fraud.
But he did get out early.
jordan holmes
So confirmed, we're talking two years.
dan friesen
Yeah, he did get out early though too on the mortgage fraud one.
jordan holmes
God damn it.
dan friesen
Yeah, because of course.
But also, fun little tidbit, while he was in prison he had to be kept in solitary confinement for a lot of it for his own safety.
jordan holmes
Oh, that's smart.
dan friesen
Because he's a fucking antagonist.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
And probably would have got himself shanked.
jordan holmes
Oh, man!
God damn it!
Stop it!
dan friesen
Stop saving people from themselves?
jordan holmes
Stop it, prisons!
Let him get shanked!
dan friesen
I think what I want to end this episode with, I mean, first of all...
jordan holmes
The observation that the people who deserve to get shanked never get shanked.
dan friesen
No, not that, although it is interesting.
First of all is our plugs.
We have a website called knowledgefight.com.
jordan holmes
That's true!
Where you can follow us on Twitter, at knowledge underscore fight.
dan friesen
Yeah, and we're also on Facebook.
jordan holmes
You can join the Facebook group.
Go home and tell your mother.
You're brilliant.
dan friesen
Also, if you'd like to support the show and become a policy wonk, you can go to our website, knowledgefight.com.
Click support the show.
jordan holmes
Absolutely.
dan friesen
We would appreciate it.
What I want to...
We're also on iTunes.
I think the most...
jordan holmes
We're so great at plugs.
dan friesen
Yeah.
I think the most important piece of this is the fact...
That he creeped on Twitter at underage girls with Muslim-related pickup lines.
jordan holmes
Not okay.
dan friesen
No, it's not.
jordan holmes
Not even Muslim-related.
Bigoted Muslim-related pickup lines.
dan friesen
Bigotry about Islam-related pickup lines to underage girls on Twitter.
jordan holmes
That's like a parody.
That's a parody account.
dan friesen
The other stuff, like him being arrested for assault, I understand.
You're running a fucking bigot organization.
You might get into a skirmish.
unidentified
Maybe you get picked up, but it could have been anybody.
dan friesen
I don't think it's necessarily right that people have to go to prison for drugs.
So I'm going to throw that part of it out.
jordan holmes
Fair.
dan friesen
The idea that he...
jordan holmes
I think you should get the death penalty.
dan friesen
The idea that he...
jordan holmes
Trump has changed my mind, Dan.
Kill them all.
dan friesen
The idea...
jordan holmes
Odd future Wolfgang.
dan friesen
The idea that he went to prison for using his friend's passport is kind of funny in the sense that he was so stupid that he didn't realize that I'm gonna have to go through customs and stuff like that.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's too dumb.
dan friesen
That's insane to me.
jordan holmes
That's too dumb.
dan friesen
And it's not something that I can be like, eh, I hate you for that or you're the worst.
jordan holmes
Well, it is something that says...
I'm a trustworthy news source.
dan friesen
And the mortgage fraud, I mean, that is just along with his con man anyways and stuff like that, but the victims of it are banks.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
It's not...
jordan holmes
I just think that one is the most indicative of why you cannot trust him when he's saying anything.
dan friesen
I think there's a hundred reasons why that's the case.
jordan holmes
He's literally a mortgage fraudster.
dan friesen
But I think the behavior in terms of creeping on people, underage girls on Twitter, using bigoted Muslim stuff, is really the core of this.
unidentified
Yeah, that's horrific, but at the same time, it's almost wacky.
jordan holmes
It's too crazy to imagine.
dan friesen
Alex should fucking understand who he has on his show.
jordan holmes
Yeah, you would think.
dan friesen
You would think that some of that would come up.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Anyway, I think it's pretty clear that...
jordan holmes
Especially considering that Alex is so afraid of three Muslim girls walking into a pool store.
dan friesen
Exactly.
jordan holmes
You know?
dan friesen
And he spends all of his time trying to instill fears of adults trying to lure your children places.
When that is someone he just gave $20,000 to.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
So, unfortunately, on your day back...
I have to say, Alex...
Please go fuck yourself.
You're the worst at your job.
You are so terrible at this.
jordan holmes
Yeah, go fuck yourself.
alex jones
Andy in Kansas, you're on the air.
Thanks for holding.
unidentified
Hello, Alex.
jordan holmes
I'm a first time caller.
unidentified
I'm a huge fan.
I love your work.
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