Knowledge Fight - #136: March 30-31, 2008

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#136: March 30-31, 2008

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In Knowledge Fight’s #136 (March 30–31, 2008), Dan Friesen and Jordan Holmes dissect Alex Jones’ early conspiracy theories—like CERN’s antimatter doomsday claims and RFK’s assassination—while exposing his selective use of fringe sources, including Koch-funded figures like Twyla Brace. They reveal Jones’ monetized pro-Israel commercials despite anti-Israel rhetoric and mock his baseless claims, such as government blood theft or white males being framed as al-Qaeda operatives to justify surveillance. His "biggest announcement" later proved hollow, mirroring past unverified assertions like 9/11 orchestration. The episode traces how Jones’ paranoia and Koch ties laid groundwork for his later extremism, underscoring the financial and ideological roots of modern conspiracy culture. [Automatically generated summary]
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Speaker	Time	Text
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Andy and Tanzos, you're on the air.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Thanks for holding.
unidentified		Hello, Alex.
		I'm a first time caller.
		I'm a huge fan.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		I love your work.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		I love you.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Hey, everybody.
		Welcome back to Knowledge Fight.
		I'm Dan.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I'm Jordan.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		We're a couple dudes.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Like to sit around, drink novelty beverages, and talk a little bit about Alex Jones.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Indeed, that is what we do, Dan.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Jordan.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Jordan.
unidentified		Dan.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Jordan.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Why in God's name would you listen to this podcast?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Maybe you're disenchanted with meaningless talk.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I couldn't keep that up.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		You have come to the wrong place.
unidentified		Yeah, this is all a hotload of bullshit.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I don't know.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I think.
unidentified		You know what?
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Are we going to?
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Because I don't know anything about Alex Jones.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I know a lot about him.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		We've got to change that from why would anyone listen to this show to like, what is the, like, I don't know how to fix this.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		You're giving me notes?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		No, because I didn't finish this.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I thought we got a good bit out of it.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I thought we got a good joke.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Next bit is going to be us having a meeting about our introduction.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Jordan, today we have an.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I hate it when my boss comes down on me.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Oh, it's going to be a horrible meeting for you.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		You don't need to sit down.
unidentified		Okay.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I've had a lot of those meetings in my life.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Pack up your things and leave my room.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		The studio.
		Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
		So, Jordan, today we've got an interesting show.
		But before we get to it, I would like to give a shout-out to a couple of new donors.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Hey!
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Thrilled about it.
		Thank you so much.
		First of all, going out to Dan G. I'm a policy wonk.
		Thank you so much, Dan.
		Great name.
		Love it.
unidentified		Strong name.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Congratulations on becoming a policy wonk.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yes, and you will be joining Dan for his next podcast.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		How great is Dan?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Dan's.
		Dan's a Dan of the people.
		A Dan for all seasons.
		Any of these could be the name of my Dan-they podcast.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I'm a big fan of Dan on Fire, starring the first episode of the podcast.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Dan Cortez.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah, there you go.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Second episode?
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Wilford Brimley?
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
		Also, like to give a shout-out to another new donor.
		What's going on out there, Fred?
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		I'm a policy wonk.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Thank you so much, Fred.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Thank you very much, Fred.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Jesus.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		My iTunes is real glitchy.
		But thank you.
		We appreciate it.
		Congratulations on becoming a policy wonk.
		If you would like to become a policy wonk, all of you folks out there listening, you can go to our website, knowledgefight.com, click the support the show button, and it will be a done deal.
		You'll be a policy watch.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Is that how you become a policy wonk?
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Dan, it sounds too easy.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It sounds too good to be true.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		How could you?
		Have you ever tried to donate to a podcast and you're like, I don't know what's going on?
		Well, try the click the support the show button.
unidentified		Yep.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		That's the best way.
		So, Jordan, I've teased this, and today we are beginning the next investigation into Alex Jones' past.
		Famously, over the course of most of last year, we dug deep into what happened to get Alex Jones to join up with Team Trump.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Right.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And we came away with a pretty solid consensus that it was artificial inflation of his traffic via dummies and bots because he admitted on air that his traffic had tripled and his sales were flat.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Yep.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Mysteriously, no one buying anything but three times the traffic.
		It's very suspicious.
		Also, the insidious influences of Roger Stone and Steve Pieczenik showing up with their 45 group right around the same time.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Right, right.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So we've got a pretty good handle on that.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		There's other intricacies that you can go back and listen to hundreds of hours of recording.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		perhaps laboriously covered it is maybe the most exhaustive exhaustive coverage of the oh yeah you knew why yeah Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It's one of the most in-depth and long investigations that no one asked for.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		No.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And it turns out I'm doing another.
		I am interested to figure out.
		Alex Jones presents himself as the person who's most responsible for the Tea Party.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Right.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		He believes himself to be a leader of the Tea Party from the jump.
		And I want to explore the realities or lies therein.
		Also, along the way, because of the timeline, we'll be covering Barack Obama's first election.
		He'll be covering the primary where Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton were going for the Democratic nomination.
		We'll see where his head is at along that road.
		There's going to be a lot of interesting stuff because the Tea Party in earnest came to the forefront of the national consciousness in the beginning of 2009.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, immediately after a black man was elected.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Mysteriously quick after that.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		However, it's odd how quick it happened.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		However, if you actually look into the history of it, it had been something that had been sort of roiling under the surface thanks to the Koch brothers for a while before that.
		But we will get into a lot of that and try and figure out what is what exactly along the way.
		And in doing so, I hope we'll be able to learn more about Alex Jones's true center.
		Like exactly what is bullshit and what is actually important to him.
		Like we know guns are super important to him.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Absurdly so.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And we know that chimeras are strangely important to him.
		But beyond that, there's so much of these trappings that we see in his day-to-day, especially currently, that it doesn't seem sincere.
		It just seems like he's a Trump apologist.
		Right.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		And it's more interesting, I think, to go back to 2008 just because he is still relatively under the radar back then.
		It's true.
		Compared to now, where he's showing up in all kinds of places that he wishes he weren't.
		Back then in 2008, it was like, oh, yeah, there's that crazy guy.
		I've heard some crazy shit about him.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		There weren't tons of blogs covering him.
		He wasn't getting sued by everybody.
		People he could just slander, and everyone would be like, who?
unidentified		Right.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		He was happily married to his first wife.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Didn't make as much money.
		Yeah.
		And therein lies perhaps where he sold his soul.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And also, as we covered in another episode from 2008 previously, he seemed much happier.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Much happier.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Just singing the highwayman for half of an episode.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So Jordan.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		He never woke up in the morning and said, oh, God, why did I fucking hitch my wagon to this fucking insane lunatic?
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I thought I was supposed to be crazy.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		He just had Ron Paul that he's hitched his wagon to, because that seems to be consistent through all of his history.
		But we will get into all of the intricacies and nonsense along the way.
		And I'm just going to admit it up front.
		I started this investigation too early.
		I didn't know.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		So we're going to have an even more exhaustive investigation.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I didn't know when the primary season started in earnest.
		And so I started on March 30th of 2008.
		So today we're covering March 30th and 31st, 2008.
		And at this point, nothing about the primary.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Really?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		At one point, never mind.
		That's a spoiler for another episode.
		He's not anti-Obama at this point.
unidentified		No.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		He's not at all.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		In fact, he has an interview with someone that we'll talk about on a future episode where he's.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		He's too anti-Hillary to.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And he's saying stuff like Obama is going to get killed because he's an outsider.
		That sort of stuff.
		That's where his mind is at at this point.
		But still, no talk about the primaries, no real talk about the election at all.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		So strange because if you like, this election that we just had lasted eight years.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It twisted my mind into thinking, of course they'll be talking about this.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, right?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, exactly.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it makes you think that that's a reasonable thing for an election to take three years.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		No.
		Turns out it was not a hot topic back then.
		But what was?
		Let's start on March 30th and see what Alex is obsessed about.
unidentified		Okay.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Spoiler alert.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		He's freaked out about CERN.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		And they shoot different particles of lead and uranium and plutonium and gold and other heavy elements at the speed of light into other elements, or they accelerate them towards each other.
		And these things cost hundreds of billions of dollars to build.
		The European Union built the biggest one.
		They've got a whole bunch of them here in the U.S.
		And I'm going to get a bunch of top scientists and physicists on about this.
		Every time I mention this, people email me and say, man, you're not like a bushel.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		You have out there.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Back of them.
unidentified		Yeah.
unidentified		Yep.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Stuff that isn't documented.
		And all I know is the head of the British Royal Society, the most prestigious in the world, who's a physicist, wrote a book 20 years ago saying this could easily destroy the planet or the solar system.
		There's a bunch of physicists that are now suing to block this new collider that the equations show that there is a possibility of basically antimatter explosions is the simplest way to put it.
		That is the simplest way to put it.
		I mean, sometime this week, someday on the weekday show or maybe even tomorrow.
		In fact, Trey, my producer's in there yesterday, I dug up one of these physicists who's suing.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		That's where Trey Guy came from.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		I sent that to you.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I'm going to get him on the trenches.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		We have a bunch of them on.
		And these are not quacks.
		These are Howard Prospective Citizens.
		And they're saying emailing all sorts of things.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that's a tell.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		That's what we call a tell.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		You have to say, hey, and listen, you can trust these guys.
		They're not quacks.
		Why did you say that?
		I wouldn't have thought they were quacks because I'm used to non-quacks being on shows.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		He must have had General Stubblebein on recently, and everyone's like, hold on, Alex, we don't know about this.
unidentified		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		We don't know about your quackery.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Perhaps to the point of detriment, you kind of think, well, if they're on CNN, they're not a quack.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		You can assume they're not a quack, so you get kind of comfortable with assuming that they're not quacks.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Well, it's a thing.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Now, then you start looking at it now, and you see the guests that some of these people have on, or the New Yorker or the New York Times who they're hiring, and you're kind of like, oh, shit, maybe all of these people are quacks.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		There's a matter of vetting that Alex doesn't do, and we're starting to realize that other places don't do as good a job of it either.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		No kidding.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		We had made a lot of assumptions, and it turns out some of these people, oh boy, they belong on Infowars.
		Right.
		So it's trouble.
		It's trouble.
		Alex is pretty obsessed about this, and he says that he's going to get these physicists on who aren't quacks.
		Right.
		And we will be dealing with that a little bit later.
		Suffice it to say, I mean, not today.
		We'll be dealing with it on the next episode.
		I'm doing too much.
		I have some knowledge of the next couple episodes.
		So this is a difficult place for me to begin.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		So they're getting a physicist who graduated from the homeopathy university?
		No.
		What kind of physicists are we getting?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		From what I can tell, this guy's actually pretty legit in terms of his credentials.
		But at the same time, he's a guy who in 1999 said that colliding particles against each other will create huge black holes and destroy the universe.
		And it didn't.
		And then here in 2008, he's trying to sue to stop CERN from being opened, and it doesn't work out because the judge says that he's failed to prove in any way that there's the potential threat that would merit it.
		And also, U.S. courts don't have jurisdiction over European scientific experiments.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Odd.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Odd.
unidentified		Wait, so why did the judge even bother?
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		He was just having it.
		He was like, well, this is better than some of my other cases I've taken recently.
		Might not might as well rule on this.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I'm bored.
unidentified		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I don't know.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I don't know exactly the process wherein you decide what gets on the docket and what doesn't.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Because you would just toss it out.
unidentified		You don't have like you don't have standing?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I mean, unless you really believe it, in which case, of course you do.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		The entire world is going to be turned into a black hole.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		See, in that sense, I think you do have standing.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Well, exactly.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		But in terms of jurisdiction, you do not.
unidentified		The sheriff is the highest law in the land.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Speaking of someone whose name sounds like a sheriff.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		All right, that was a perfect transition.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Especially since I did a finger gun.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		You did do a finger gun.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		On this episode, pretty early on, Alex Jones has a visit from one Jim Mars.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I don't know if you know who Jim Mars is.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		No.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		He's a gentleman who is notoriously, notoriously, isn't the right word.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		He's pretty roundly looked at as one of the world's premier conspiracy theorists.
unidentified		Okay.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Like he's a big guy.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		How do you become a premier conspiracy theorist?
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Are your conspiracies better than everybody else's?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		He wrote a bunch of books about JFK and sort of he's seen as on the forefront of the JFK conspiracy.
unidentified		I don't know what that means.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		He also taught like an accredited college class on conspiracies.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And I think that elevates him out of the muck into academia to some extent.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		So he's a professor of the conspiracy theories that he makes up.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		But also it's important to know that he also wrote two books about ancient aliens.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
unidentified		All right.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I don't like.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		The more we learn about ancient aliens, Dan, the more they are still from there and not here.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		The stuff, like the conversations that you want to have about JFK, I'm all ears for.
		You know, like I am open to hearing arguments about the anti-Castro Cubans, the CIA, the mafia.
		I'm open to hearing any of these because that is a really fucked up thing that happened.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Right.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And I'm willing to believe that there was some sort of conspiracy involved there.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		And you know what, frankly, it's just a more fun world.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		It wasn't just one lunatic who killed him.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I don't know if it's fun.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		It's a more fun world.
		Perhaps.
		It's a more fantastical world.
		It's a more movie-like world.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Well, whatever the case may be, I might or might not agree with you.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I think it was actually Sirhan Sirhan who did it.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		He did both.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		He did both.
unidentified		Oh, both.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It was a double tap.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I don't know if it's more fun, but I don't think you're crazy if you believe in JFK conspiracies.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		I think we can have certain JFK conspiracies.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I'll listen to all of them, but yeah, you're right.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		There is a lot.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, there's a lot.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		There's a lot.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		You like the Sirhan Sirhan.
		Right.
		Yes.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I do think you're crazy if you believe in ancient aliens conspiracy.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		That's the line I want to make.
unidentified		And Jim Mars is on both sides of that.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So I consider him to be someone who has credibility problems, but also researches.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		If you say he's one of the foremost conspiracy theorists, that's the end of credibility to me.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So he's on the show to talk about RFK.
		He's here to talk about the RFK assassination.
		And so here's a little clip of that.
jim marrs ▲ ● ▼		Well, of course, this is actually nothing new.
jim marrs ▲ ● ▼		Me and many other people, almost since the time of the Robert Kennedy assassination, have loudly tried to shout out that he was not killed by Sir Han Sirhan, who cannot remember anything that happened.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So says Sirhan Sirhan.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Who might have invested it?
jim marrs ▲ ● ▼		What makes these stories significant is that after all these years and after all the further evidence, including scientific evidence, comes out, more and more people are waking up and beginning to realize that the so-called conspiracy theorists were actually right all along.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		The conspiracy theorists are right all along, and people are realizing.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Every conspiracy theorist says that, though.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it is sort of like white noise at this point to have conspiracy theorists tell you they're right.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		And that you need to wake up.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So a couple of things.
		I mean, the Sirhan Sirhan and the assassination of RFK, there are some interesting elements of it that I think are not being told.
		In terms of there is pretty compelling circumstantial evidence that there were other people involved.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It looks like there was at least one woman who was involved.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And they may or may not have been stalking RFK previous to the assassination.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		To me, RFK is the one thing that I like, this is the one thing where I do not need any evidence.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I am just going to come out and say that I swear to God I think the FBI killed RFK.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Really?
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I really do.
		I really do.
		Mainly because RFK was perhaps becoming the most compassionate and progressive candidate in the history of the United States.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Right.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		The speech that he gave on the day that Martin Luther King Jr. died, who, by the way, was also murdered by the FBI.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		On the day that Martin Luther King Jr. died, he came out and gave an off-the-cuff speech that was one of the more, I mean, a lot of people credit it with the fact that the city he was in didn't riot because they heard that speech.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Right, right.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Like, that's how serious he was.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		He spent so much time going overseas and seeing all of this starvation firsthand.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		And he had really made this change, and he was going to win.
		Like, he was crushing the other candidate at the time, who was what?
		Walter Mondale or whatever?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Humphrey.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Humphrey.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		God.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		In the primary.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And Humphrey lost to Nixon.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, exactly.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
unidentified		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Look, this is, again, a conversation that I'm fine having.
		I don't think you're super crazy if you believe this.
		But also, the idea that Sirhan Sirhan did it also isn't crazy.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah, no, no, no, absolutely.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I'm going to read to you from the court transcript of Sirhan Sirhan's trial.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Sirhan Sirhan, quote, oh, I totally did that shit.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And quote.
		He's asked, so then there was a time the love to the love turned to hate because he had previously to this said that he liked RFK.
		Yes.
		Was that at a time when Senator Kennedy was a candidate for the President of the United States, right?
		His answer.
		Yes, it was during the time he was, but not exactly specifically when it turned into hate.
		Not only that, hate really, because I still loved him, but when he came out with his support for the state of Israel and when he said he would give them 50 phantom jet bombers to Israel, and then the questioning resumes.
		At that time, he was the candidate for president of the United States.
		Answer, yes.
		Question.
		You say it wasn't until all of that that you hate him.
		Hate then, and then he's cut off.
		No, but it was enough for me, sir, that anything that has to do with Israel or the Zionists or support of Israel, that is enough cause for me, sir, to hate him.
		Question.
		But not all of that.
		Answer.
		Well, enough, sir, to have an impression only.
		Question.
		Enough to kill him?
		Answer.
		I don't know about that, sir.
		Question.
		Well, didn't you just tell us here a few days ago that if you had him right there, you would have blasted him?
		The answer.
		At the time he came out and said he would send those 50 jet bombers, I would have done that.
		Question.
		You would have done that?
		Answer.
		Yes, I'm a very impulsive person.
		Whatever my objective would be.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		This is a great conversation.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Whatever my objective would be, it's just good for that time only.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		That's like an interrogation in the drunk tech.
unidentified		Just like, yeah, I mean, I might have.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I mean, I could have.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I certainly would have at that point.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I mean, it's possible.
unidentified		Like, when it happened, maybe I would have.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		But I don't know if I did a.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I don't remember, but I was there and I was shooting.
		I don't know.
		All the stuff about all the stuff about brain control and stuff like that is also murky because he wrote in a like they found his diary.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And there was an entry that said, My determination to eliminate RFK is becoming more and more of an unshakable obsession.
		RFK must die.
		RFK must be killed.
		Robert F. Kennedy must be assassinated.
		So these guys always keep a diary, don't they?
		That's because they're fucking mentally ill.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I know.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		That's what I'm saying.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		They always bullshit that.
unidentified		Well, yeah.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I mean, if you write RFK must die twice, like a teenage girl writing that she loves somebody, you're going to kill that person.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Most likely.
		And, you know, psychiatrists and psychologists have gone on record and say that he's like a manipulative person and also of dual natures and fairly schizophrenic.
		And that falls in line with someone who would probably want to tell you that I don't remember that murder.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Never heard of it.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Right.
		And if you believe a murderer who says, I don't remember that murder, that's on you.
		Because as we went over on that Project Camelot episode about Mark Richards, he says he was off-planet during the murder he was involved with.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Well, he was.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So are you going to take him at his word?
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I would assume so.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I don't know.
		I'm going to look at a preponderance of the evidence, and I'm going to say the FBI did it.
		Fine.
		You can have that.
		I'm not as convinced of that.
		And Jim Mars would have more credibility if he hadn't written two books about engineering.
		And if he didn't say this, they get into talking about Americans who supported the Nazis.
jim marrs ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, the names of prominent Americans who supported Hitler is pretty amazing.
		You've got Watson of IBM, you've got Henry Ford of Ford Motor Company, you've got Chase Bank and John Zay McCloy.
		Chase Bank is a dullest brothers.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Nope.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Alex brings up the bushes, but conspicuous in their absence from that list is Fred Koch.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Never heard of him.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		The Koch brothers' father, Fred Koch, in World War II.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		No idea.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		In World War II, he partnered with an American Nazi sympathizer named William Rhodes Davis to help build the third largest oil refinery in the Third Reich.
		He also made a ton of money selling cracking stills to Stalin.
		And then after that, he would go on to create the anti-communist and anti-Semitic John Birch Society.
unidentified		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Mysterious in his absence, though, in that list, there's a lot of people that they list.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And Fred Koch is a big one among those names.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I mean, sure, he may have had an outsize impact.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Sure, he may be perhaps personally responsible for at least 40% of a lot of the war crimes.
unidentified		But you know, he doesn't remember it.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		He said that he didn't know what was going on.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		He was like, he felt like he might have done it at the time, but he wasn't sure.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Oh, you're going with a Sirhan.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Exactly.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Sirhan defense.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		The Sirhan defense is my favorite chess opening gambit.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		What's super interesting if you look at the history of Fred Koch, too, is that when he went over and worked with Stalin, he came back as an anti-communist.
		He was really anti-what he saw over there.
		Right.
		This was not the case with fascism.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Oh, no.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		He did not become like an anti-fascist dude, and still him and his sons have trafficked with Nazi sympathizers and Holocaust deniers for a large part of their careers and lives.
		So that's interesting to me.
		I don't know.
		I don't know if it's like intentional leaving them off the list because you do have those people.
		I mean, we talked about Watson.
		He definitely had some inclination towards Ford.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		He also was responsible for disseminating the protocols of the Elders of Zion at one point.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		You know, there is a lot of troubling history of U.S. business interests and the Nazis.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I mean, if you run your business like a fascist dictator, you have to assume that you're going to be a big fan of fascist dictators.
		I mean, like, Ford had a morality code, and you had to do all of this shit, and there was a whole lifestyle that you had to live by just to work for him.
		Like, he controlled every aspect of your life.
		That guy is going to be like, dictators are pretty cool.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I'd do it.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Well, I get the mentality that you're describing, but I'm just talking about why isn't this on the list?
		Why aren't you?
		And to be fair, this isn't the strongest sentiment that I have, but it's curious.
		Because Alex does talk about these Americans who worked with Nazis all the time.
		And Fred Koch never comes up.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Well, of course not.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And so that might be a little reason to be suspicious.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Also, it turns out I don't think that they think Hitler was that bad.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Well, they put Hitler in power and then shut him up.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I mean, they set him up.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		I know, but that's all mainstream history.
		I can't wait.
		I'm going to carry the book.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I'm like, now history is also mainstream history.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Mainstream history.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Can't we just have can't we just have history?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Wouldn't that be nice?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		That would be nice.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Because history is, you think it's predicated on facts.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		You would think.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Not.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		No.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So it doesn't.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		You know why?
		It all changed whenever the FBI murdered RFK.
		I'll tell you that right now.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So at this point, we have a very weird Hitler was set up declaration by Alex.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And now.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		In what way was he set up?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Who knows?
unidentified		But did they set him up for one crime or all of them?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Probably all of them.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		That's what Alex is.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Probably all of them.
		probably all of them hitler was just a dude who was trying to have a like he was just a a dumb and dumber situation where he's just bumbling throughout the holocaust like Yeah.
		Well, I'll sign off on this paper.
		Like, yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Was he Mr. Magoo?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, he married a coat rat.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Everyone thought it was Eva Braun.
unidentified		No.
unidentified		Nope.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Blonde wig on a coat rack.
unidentified		Right.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		That's why she survived in that bucker.
unidentified		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So it's now as good a time as any to go to two very weird commercials that Alex plays on this episode that I don't know what to make of.
unidentified		And with a word about Israel, here's best-selling author and Bible teacher, Kay Arthur.
		If you could only visit one country, one nation on the face of this earth, it should be Israel.
		Because then you'll never be the same.
		To start planning your trip to Israel today, call 1-888-77-ISRAL or visit www.goisrael.com.
		You'll never be the same.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So that's weird.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		That's weird.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		This is even weirder.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Listen to this.
unidentified		Here's a word about Israel from Dr. Jack Hayford, president of the International Church of the Foursquare Gospel.
		To go to Israel is to change the way you will ever approach the Bible.
		The Bible becomes based in an entirely deeper and richer way because you have been where it happened.
		You'll never be the same when you visit Israel.
		To start planning your trip to Israel today, visit www.goisrael.com.
		You'll never be the same.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		That's crazy.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		He plays two commercials about going to Israel.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I want to know who wrote that jingle.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I can tell you what business wrote it.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		No!
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I can tell you that business.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		It was Larry Nichols?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it was.
		He was a jingle writer.
		Those are ads for Go Israel.
		And I looked into it.
		You go to their website, goisrael.com, and you scroll down the list.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		G-O-I-S-R-A-E-L.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Go to Israel.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		If you scroll down all the way down the page, you will see that the site is owned and operated by the Ministry of Tourism of the Israeli government.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Well, yeah, it had to be.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Right.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		It's not like those two people were travel agents.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		No, this is from the Israeli government tourism board.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		And he was the head of the Foursquare Church?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I don't care.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I do.
		I want to know exactly what kind of Foursquare they're playing.
		No cherry bombs.
		Well, you've got to have cherry box.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		No cherry bombs.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		You can't not have cherry bobs.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Look, you're glossing over something that I find incredibly weird.
		Because I want to make it totally clear off the top.
		I don't think this in any way proves that Alex Jones is an agent of Israel, like so many of his critics claim.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		No, of course not.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		But it is proof, like indisputable proof, that Genesis Communications Network was making ad revenue off the Israeli government in 2008.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Well, yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And that's wild.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Because I don't hear any other commercials for go to Guatemala, go to other countries.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I don't know why.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I don't know why the Israeli government was like, InfoWars is where we're going to get some great tourists.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Right.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		That's bananas to me.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		There's that.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Like, they must have just been blanket, you know, let's put ads out on everything and not really paying attention to what they're doing.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		See, I don't think it was InfoWars.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I think it was Genesis Communications Network.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Right.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I think it's a network thing.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		So it's just, this is before Alex had his own 24-hour.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Well, I mean, most of the commercials that play are for Endgame, the documentary, and other documentaries.
		Most of it is in-house commercials for his documentaries and books and stuff.
		And then every now and again, something like this.
		And I got to be honest, it threw me for a crazy loop.
		I don't know what to make of it.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		So after going to go toisrael.com, you were never the same?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I'm still the same.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		But I'm confused.
unidentified		You'll never be the same.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		That's almost as good as Diamond Gussett.
		But it's crazy, man.
		It is nuts.
		I don't, like, again, I don't.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Why is that so nuts to you?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Because, look, I don't agree with their conclusion, but one of the pieces of argument that Alex's anti-Semitic critics make against him is absolutely true.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Genesis Communications was making money directly from the government of Israel.
unidentified		Yeah, but that's just like it was the tourism board.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Right.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Like the tourism board.
		You know, there's so many governments.
		So many, you see billboards and shit for like, go to Mexico.
		Like, this is a Royal Caribbean cruise ad.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I understand that you see like go to Wyoming on the CTA buses.
unidentified		Right.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It's a lot of people paid for by the Wyoming Tourism Board.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Which is actually where you'll see where the Bible happened.
		But it would be different.
		You're trying to get through that.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It would be different if all CTA bus drivers were anti-Wyomingites.
unidentified		Their worldview was based on lies about Wyoming.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And everyone.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		How do you know that's not true?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And everybody who criticized Ventra said that they secretly worked for Wyoming.
		That's what would make it.
		That's what makes it very difficult for me.
		Like, if I were Alex Jones and I were Ted Anderson, I would say thank you, Tourism Board of Israel.
		We appreciate the offer, but we don't want to accept this because we are afraid it would give the appearance of the thing that we are inaccurately criticized about all the time.
		It seems like bad optics for us.
		Thank you very much, but we have to pass.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Right.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		That's what I.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		But again, like this goes back to my argument about his anti-Semitic critics in that they give him cover.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		So he can be as anti-Semitic as he wants, and they are like, you're not an anti-Semite.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So he's running this commercial to bait them?
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Exactly.
		That way he can play the victim if you call him anti-Semitic.
		He's like, look, these guys are anti-Semitic, and they hate me.
		So I clearly am not.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it's possible.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		That's probably like, if you want.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Like, to me, that's a smart move.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		If he was doing it on purpose, which he probably wasn't.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		There's so many layers of intention there.
		It's very confusing to me.
		I don't know what it means.
		I have zero idea.
		I don't think that it's proof that he works for Israel or anything like that.
		I'm not changing my position on that.
		I think your position is the most sensible because it at least accounts for the psychology of the individuals.
		Right.
		But I don't.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Well, and then there's the other psychology, which is Ted Anderson really likes money.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		And they were offering to give it to him.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		But also, at the time, Ted Anderson was running a show called What Really Happened with.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Don't GoToISREAL.com.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		He was running a show called What Really Happened with Mike Rivero at the time.
		And he was fucking super anti-Israel.
		He was an aggressively anti-Israel guy.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Right, but business is business, man.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I don't know.
		It's very confusing to me.
		I don't know the ins and outs.
		Anyway, in this next clip, I don't think we have a conclusion there.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		No, I don't think there's anything concrete to draw from that.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It's just weird.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		In this next clip, Alex Jones lists a bunch of people who have spoken out about 9-11 and then comes in with a little bit of scare tactic at the end.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		But now we have just everybody, all these physicists, all these scientists, Italian presidents, CIA section chiefs, Willie Nelson.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		All these top actors, best actress this year.
jim marrs ▲ ● ▼		Bruce Willis.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Bruce Willis, no longer being a neocon saying, they killed Kennedy and the same group that did that, basically did 9-11.
		I mean, they're losing all their own people.
		What are they going to do?
jim marrs ▲ ● ▼		Well, unfortunately, they'll probably go to the tactic of desperation, which is to launch another war or to set off a nuke or some terrible terrorists.
jim marrs ▲ ● ▼		Territory is a good weapon in this country, and then, of course, blame it on foreign terrorists and take more power.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Meanwhile, the very same elite with the admitted super kinetic super colliders and other similar facilities are doing things their own equations say good chance of blowing the entire planet up.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Good chance is strong.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Good chance.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Good chance is strong.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		What is a good chance?
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Would you put that at like 35% or are we going with a really good chance of like 65%?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Neither.
		Much lower.
		Sue, Willie Nelson is on par with scientists and the Italian presidents.
unidentified		Multiple?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I guess.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Because this is back when Silvio Berlusconi was running wild.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Did Berlusconi run 9-11 as an inside job?
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		He probably did.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		He was drunk.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		He was crazy.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		He was in the middle of fucking eight prostitutes at the time.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Right.
		9-11 was an inside job.
		That's what I was doing.
		So, yeah.
		I mean, I kept that clip in because that transition between Italian presidents and Willie Nelson is really funny.
		But then also, just to illustrate that 10 years ago, Alex was still doing the exact same scare tactics.
		Like, the next thing they're going to do is nuke.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Right.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		That same.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Because he did that around the election, too.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		There are other moves to make before nuke.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		It seems like you've got to.
unidentified		But he's not going to be able to do that.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		You've got a protocol of like, okay, if they do this, we do this.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Like, nuke is at the very bottom.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		He's not concerned with that.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		He just wants to scare people because then he can make those ducats.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Which it seems crazy.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		And this is probably my own prejudice, but anytime I hear somebody who is supposed to be an expert with a southern accent, I'm always going to be like, are you?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that is a bias you need to get over.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I'm sorry.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		The southern accent really kind of invalidates a lot for me.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		There's a lot of dumb people who speak like that, and it hurts.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Logically, no.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Logically, it doesn't track, right?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		No.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		If A, then B. If B, then C.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		It doesn't mean anything.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Well, it's just the media perception that's been given to people with Southern twangs.
		Right.
		The gentleman's twang.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Well, I mean, they haven't really done a great job of representing.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I think you're.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I would say there's a good chance that all southern people have never graduated.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I don't know where I was going with that.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I'm trying to think of famously smart people who speak with a southern accent.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		How's it going?
		It's tough.
		Did Stephen Hawking before he got the ALS, we can't prove he doesn't have a Southern accent?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		No, that's possible.
		It's not good that the only person I can come up with is Jim Ross.
		WWE announcer Jim Ross.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that's not great.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		He's pretty smart, though.
		So this is a Sunday show, so it's a shorter affair.
		And Alex has one more interview on the show, and it is an interview with a what's this guy's name?
		I don't remember his first name, but he's a Japanese politician by the name of Fujita.
		And I just threw it out with the bathwater because it's nonsense.
		They just talk 9-11 truth, but if you look into it, like this guy, this Japanese guy, only is into 9-11 truth because he watched Loose Change, which was produced by Alex Jones.
		So Alex Jones' film gave this guy questions about 9-11.
		They made them public, and now he's a guest on Alex Jones repeating the same shit back to him.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		They're creating the feedback loop that they thrive on so much.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It's not even a feedback loop.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It's an elevation loop because now you have a foreign politician who's regurgitating your narratives back to you, which elevates them from your standard rabble.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Now I just want a Japanese translated version of Loose Change.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I bet you could find one.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I bet it'd be great.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It'd probably be riveting.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		It'd be so good.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So it was kind of a boring.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Like whenever Jimmy James's book was translated into Japanese and kill, kill.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		War.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		War.
		So I threw that out.
		We don't need to listen to it.
		Who cares?
		But at the end of the show, there's a couple callers that I think are worth listening to.
		And here's the first one.
		It's a guy named Nick, spelled N-I-K, which is a good sign.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Let's go ahead and take another ring-a-dinging.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Ring-a-dinging.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Let's go ahead and talk to.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		He's so much happy.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		N-I-K.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		In Arizona, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hey, how are you going to help?
		Good.
		I just want to thank you.
		You're an inspiration, absolutely.
		Me and my brother, I started this website called lookupandwakeup.org here in the Phoenix Valley, and we're starting to cover the chemtrails and the surveillance.
		I just want to give you a quick example of what happened to me the other night.
		Oh.
		About 12.30 in the morning here in a tropical house.
		About 20 minutes later, I go outside to have a cigarette, and I see the chopper in a distance, and as soon as I step outside, he goes towards me.
		And then all of a sudden, he's got his light shining down different houses or so.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Good, you're Al-Qaeda.
		You can't have that chopper on the board.
		It's got to be on you.
unidentified		Yeah.
unidentified		And then he starts coming towards me, and then he was fucking fucking looking out a quick flash, and then he turned around my house, and it was a full moon that night.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Well, drink fluoride.
		Everything's okay.
		Calm down.
unidentified		Drink Fluoride.
unidentified		Drink Fluoride.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		It's going to be all right.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Submit to him.
unidentified		He's good.
		So I was outside, and all of a sudden, I'm looking around.
		I'm hearing this chopper.
		And then all of a sudden, this guy's flying over my house like stop mode.
		Didn't have his light on.
		I turn around and bam!
		The freaking light is shining down on me like, for no reason at all.
		I'm just standing there.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Well, you're out, sir.
		You're evil, okay?
		You need to be tracked and trashed, and there's no more warrants, no more free speech.
		You're bad, okay?
		Submit to it.
		It doesn't exist.
		Trans Texas Corridor doesn't exist.
		The billboard doesn't exist, CNN says.
		There's no toll roads on the roads.
		Centra isn't Spanish-owned.
		The Austin Chronicle says.
		Everything's fine.
		Go to sleep.
		Shut up.
		Submit to government.
unidentified		Love them.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Drink your fluoride.
		Take your mercury-filled injections.
		Love them.
unidentified		Love them.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Just please learn to submit to them.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Oh, it's so simple.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It is.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So the only thing I want to say there is.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		That's kind of a bummer at the end.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Well, his sarcasm is bad.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I don't think that's sarcasm.
		I think he's phoning it in.
		But I think it's irresponsible if someone calls you and is like, there is a helicopter following me because I write a chemtrail blog.
		That's essentially what that guy was getting to.
unidentified		Well, yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I'm a target of helicopter surveillance.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		The moment I started writing about chemtrails, now helicopters are coming over my house without their lights on.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Exactly.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		One-to-one.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I think if someone calls you and says that, it's your responsibility as an adult to say, this is paranoia.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		You need to look into this.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Not stop living with your brother.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Not scream at them, drink fluoride, submit to this, and further their paranoia.
unidentified		Right.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		But Alex Jones makes money off paranoia, so he's fine inflicting these poor people and indulging their bizarre paranoid fantasies.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Because look, the other day there was a fucking helicopter flying over my house for like almost the entire day.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Well, yeah, but that didn't happen until we started doing this podcast.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Right, a year and a half after.
		But there's like there's helicopters all the fucking time.
		And you know why?
		I'm not too far from the like Lakeshore Drive.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Right.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		There's traffic helicopters over it.
		Or, hey, there's crime around.
		And sometimes there are helicopters that are looking for crime.
		Exactly.
		And so it's easy to interpret those things correctly.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I just got the image of the police helicopter pilots just being like, oh, it's 4 o'clock, boys.
		Let's go looking for some crime.
		And then everybody just.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Let's go find Dan.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, let's go.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		When you see a helicopter closely over your house, for example, it's easy to think, oh, this is suspicious, because you don't have all the information.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		In the same way, I get a lot of calls when I answer them, no one's there.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Right.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And if I wanted to, I could play the game of people are fucking stalking me over the phone.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And if I were to express those things to you, you would very likely say, that is an unhealthy way to look at it.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Right.
		If you did that, you'd be being a bad person.
		I would definitely be being a bad friend.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Although maybe it would be better for the show, Dan.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Maybe.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Have you considered that?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		But it's the same level of paranoia or the same style of paranoia, which is taking an innocuous thing that has an explanation and giving it the explanation that you want.
		The reality is that whoever used to have my phone number has bounty hunters looking for you.
		Well, of course.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		There's no other explanation.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Well, it's definitely the explanation that I have to deal with.
		It's a bummer.
		You know what?
		It turns out with bounty hunters, you can't get on the don't call list like telemarketers.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		No.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Turns out they can just keep calling.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Right.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		You can request, hey, take me off your list.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		They don't respect that.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Hey, take me off your bounty hunting list, please.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Also, it turns out they don't believe you when you say, I've never met that person.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		That's kind of their job, though.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it's annoying for me.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Anyway, Alex gets another caller, and this one I think is actually illustrates Alex Jones' lack of commitment to the cause.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Let's go ahead now and take another call.
		Steve in Denver, Colorado.
		You're on the air.
unidentified		Hey, Alex, good show again today.
unidentified		I was going to suggest, what if we had something like a Woodstock 9-11 big concert where we had one day where we had all these musicians and all these actors and famous people come together and we just spent one day?
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Did he just say Woodstock 9-11 concert?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, like a 9-11 Woodstock.
		Like a Woodstock all about 9-11.
		What's your problem?
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Sorry.
		I heard that, and then my brain was like, no.
		And that was very strange for me.
		I let the clip keep going, and then in my head, all of a sudden, I was just like, wait.
		Woodstock 9-11 concert?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		You're mixing like a...
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Is that a 9-11-themed concert?
unidentified		Yeah.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Should we have a 9-11-themed party?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		No.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Is that in poor taste?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yes, it is.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		like a pool party and then we'd all jump into they we would have like you know how you have towers you we would have we would have two people standing on top of each other in the water and then we'd throw you at them When I was in college.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		And then the third plane would actually hit the house.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		When I was in college and I had much worse taste, let's say, and I had less decorum, I was full of piss and vinegar.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I had an idea for a 9-11 party where I had twin bongs and the lighters would be dressed up as planes.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Very nice.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And I would make a 9- and 11-layer dip, two different dips.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		There were some.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		These are some great party ideas.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Also, this one I did do.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Dressed as a Nazi.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		No, we had a thing we did Freedom 40s, which was you have to drink a 40 in 9 minutes and 11 seconds or else the terrorists win.
		That was a part of my 9-11 party idea that we actually did a couple times.
		And man, it's really hard.
		I do not recommend anyone do it.
		The terrorists usually win.
unidentified		And so to answer your question, no, so that's a great metaphor, really.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		That's a great metaphor for foreign policy.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Terrorists usually win, usually because you can't drink a 40 fast enough.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, you end up throwing up.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It's too much liquid.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Because they hate our freedoms.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It's too much liquid.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		To drink 40s.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Anyway, let's finish this clip.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And to answer your question, no, we shouldn't have a 9-11 Woodstock.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
unidentified		Kind of helping the people with architects and engineers for 9-11 Truth right now.
unidentified		We've suggested that as a media event, and we could just have one major big event that we could videotape, sell, and try to show everybody how many people there are from the show.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Sure, here's the problem.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		You know, and it's like that.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		It's not the right problem.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		It would take a lot of groups getting involved, and the groups would never agree.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that's true.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		And also, no one group, I'm probably the only person that could actually pull it off, could go out and get the celebrities.
		Because the celebrities don't know or don't trust because they don't know these other groups.
		They haven't been around as long as I am.
		You know, the celebrities just call me up.
		The phone rings and they're on.
		And that's because they know I've been around a long time.
		They're aware of what I've been doing a long time.
		That's been followed around by people, but I haven't really actively gone out and pushed it just because I couldn't imagine the headache of it all.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		So the issue with a 9-11 Woodstock is infrastructure.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Booking.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		First of all.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		These are all big problems.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Sponsors.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I agree with his premise that no one would agree on stuff.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I definitely agree with that premise.
		But then, yeah, it's like, the only person who could pull it off is me, and I don't need that aggravation.
		Like, dude, you're not really contesting the claim that that would be huge for 9-11 Truth movement.
		You're just saying I wouldn't want to put that kind of work into something that I am tacitly saying would be effective.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Well, yeah, it would be huge for the 9-11 Truther movement if there was a real legitimate 9-11 Woodstock.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I would watch that.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I probably would.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Who do you think they would get to play?
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Well, you would have Willie Nelson, of course.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		The Italian president.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		He's going to MC.
		Yep.
		And they have a cover group of the four tenors.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Oh, do they?
unidentified		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Burlusconi.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Can't think of any other Italian presidents off the top of my head.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Are there other Italians?
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		There's a part of me that's like hologram Mussolini.
unidentified		So Kid Rock, Kid Rock would play.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		As one of the four tenors.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		The Nuge.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		The Nuge would definitely be.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		The Nuge is in.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Sarah Palin would probably show up.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Danzig might show up.
		That'd be fun.
		He would just throw his own punch.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Obviously, as we've learned recently, Jonathan Davis from Corn.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Corn would play.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I bet you get a lot of new metal guys.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		They would call it Corn 11.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It would be very similar to the Woodstock.
		So this brings us to the end of March 30th, 2008.
		Right.
		The Sunday show has ended.
		And now we go to March 31st.
		And Alex has a whole new set of fears.
		He is no longer obsessed with CERN, although that will come back up in the very near future.
		Today, he's pissed off because the media is reporting that there are white people who might be in al-Qaeda.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's clearly not possible.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		He's taking that news tough, let's say.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Because he feels a little bit of personal responsibility for the white race.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		You know what?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		You're not far off.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I kind of think that might be true.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Let's play a couple clips and we'll get into what his feelings are that are very weird.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		There is no al-Qaeda.
unidentified		Oh, boy.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		There is no real.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Wow, that's a good start.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		And so right out of it now.
		And by the way, here it is in the Associated Press.
		McCasey, Attorney General, terrorist behind copyright violations.
		Copyright violations.
		Terrorism.
		See, all white-collar civil stuff is now terrorist.
		Forget misdemeanor, civil.
		Just terrorists everywhere.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So this, I believe, if I were to, you know, if I were to analyze what's going on here, this is a perfect case of Alex Jones twisting a narrative.
		He has a story about Attorney General Michael McCasey, who is saying things about copyright violations and terrorism.
		And Alex has changed the story into being McCasey saying that copyright violations are terrorism, which is absolutely not the case.
		If you read the story here, what he is saying is that the continuing worldwide escalation of counterfeiting and piracy poses a threat to both our economy and public safety.
		He said that the mission of the Department of Justice is clear.
		Whether it's a complex international narcotics ring, a corrupt public official abusing his office, or some scam artist selling counterfeit software, our job is to enforce the law and bring to justice those who perpetrate these crimes.
		He said, quote, the counterfeiting of products like pharmaceuticals and medical devices, auto and airplane parts, or electronics that go into our nation's critical infrastructure can present a real and direct danger to the public.
		This is in a speech that he gave.
		And the point that he was trying to drive at is that one of the larger points was that the theft of inventions poses a threat to the nation's health and safety and can foster terrorism.
		And that a lot of intellectual property theft is being done by criminal networks and the money that is made off of them can be funneled into those things.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Right.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Which doesn't mean that all counterfeiting or copyright infringement is terrorism, just that this is a source of some funding.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I would say that's a little bit scaremongering on his part.
		There is a certain kind of like Alex conflates them far too much, but he is also being a little bit irresponsible with the way that he is combining the two.
		I don't particularly enjoy that kind of like if you're going to bring in terrorism, it better be terrorism and not copyright infringement.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It would be nice if we lived in that world.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		That would be nice, yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Unfortunately, we're looking at 2008, and Bush is still president.
		So everything is consider that just for a second.
		Right.
		Yeah.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		That is one of the problems, though, with this show in 2008 is that whenever that guy was like, oh, well, they're going to call it terrorism and they're going to use it to take more power.
		It's like, God damn it, you are correct about that.
		You're just fucking wrong.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Why aren't you doing this?
		You're on the right, like, that's what they're doing, but they're not doing it that way.
		And you're not helping us fight what they're doing because you're like, well, the problem isn't what they're doing.
		The problem is this magical thinking over here.
		And it's like, no, no, no, they are.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Join us.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Get on the right team.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And also, the end result of all this stuff is just rationalizing the surveillance.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, exactly.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And so it doesn't charm me.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		In terms of what McCasey was doing and what Bush was up to, I agree spiritually with being against it, but it doesn't help to lie about it.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, exactly.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Which I think is what you're saying.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Anyway, in this next clip, we'll get back into the idea that white people are joining al-Qaeda.
		And this is based on a report that came out that Al-Qaeda was trying to enlist white people.
		And that's a reasonable thing to think because, I mean, most famously, we had John Walker Lind back in the early 2000s, who was a white guy who had signed up with the Taliban.
		You have Adam Yehehe Gaden.
		You have a number of people over the years who have been white Westerners who have joined Al-Qaeda.
		And in a clip that we're going to hear in just a minute, we will get the obvious rationalization for this.
		And then we'll get Alex's taking it kind of personal.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Weird.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Weird.
		Just as I told you they would do.
		They're building this giant mechanism to track everything you do, trace everything you do.
		Micromanage you, turn your national ID card off.
		Your pharmacist, your doctor, your lawyer, school teachers, everyone spying publicly, truck drivers.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		What?
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Neighbors.
		Neighborhood tattletale squads recruiting the high schoolers.
		I mean, it's massive.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Truck manufacturing.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Hiring the former head of the Stasi to train the feds how to do this.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Fire trucks.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I want to just pause that just for a second.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Dumps like a truck.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Alex is saying that the former head of the Stasi is being involved in teaching people how to do this.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Right.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		A couple years later, he would make the exact same claim about social media.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		He would say that the head of the Stasi is involved in Facebook and stuff like that.
unidentified		This is just something.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		He's busy.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		In the same way.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		He's got a lot of irons in the fire.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		The head of the Stasi isn't just going to focus on one thing.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		In the same way that a couple clips back, we heard him do the like the globalists are desperate.
		They're going to probably nuke or false flag shit that he does all the fucking time.
		It turns out another one that he's done for at least 10 years now has been say the head of the Stasi is involved in some shit.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		He'll get in there.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Unspecifically enough that it's almost impossible to.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I mean, it's not like he's personally involved.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		He delegates responsibility, but he's the one who comes up with the projects.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Perhaps.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		No.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Hiring the former head of the KGB.
		I mean, they're really doing it.
		Going for broke.
		And always Afghanistan.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Great Foley work.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		It's to kill them Middle Easterners.
		Don't tell them that they're not Middle Easterners.
		That gives it into the Middle East, boys.
unidentified		No, I don't think he's saying that.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		It's all for you.
		So when they take your ranch and you say no, they can bring the SWAT team up and burn your house down with you in it.
		And you know what they're going to say?
		You know what they're going to do?
		You know what they're going to push?
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		You're trying to make up something now.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		They're just going to come right in there and burn your house down, burn your farm down.
		And they're going to announce on the news that they were fighting al-Qaeda.
		That's what it's all about.
		You are al-Qaeda.
		You are the terrorist.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So that's his takeaway from this idea that Al-Qaeda may be trying to recruit Westerners, particularly white people.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Is that it's actually the globalists trying to make it so everybody suspects everybody else.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Thus we are all terrorists.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Right.
		And specifically so they can get the Patriots and when they waco them, if we want to use that as a verb, burn down their farms.
		Exactly.
		Then they can just say they were al-Qaeda.
		We already established it with a news story about how Al-Qaeda's trying to recruit white people.
		Exactly.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Right.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		This is so desperate.
		This is so sad.
		This is him.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		It sounded like he just made it up on the spot.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		With those long gaps to indicate that his little gray cell is.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		They're going to burn something down.
		Burn something down.
		What do people burn down?
		Farms.
unidentified		Farms.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		That's all I got.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I mean, the farms should just be an indication that he's trying to speak to a specific community because he says your homes, your farms.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, exactly.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Who are your listeners, Alex?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		In this next clip, we get a little bit from Fox News about this story.
		And then Alex, again, I think he thinks they're talking about him.
		And that's very weird to me.
		Because when I...
		We'll get to it on the other end of this clip.
unidentified		Stop!
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Stop saying I'm in Al-Qaeda!
unidentified		Most agency officers, most officers from other liaison services don't blend into Al-Qaeda.
		So we're looking for people who we can fit into there as penetrations.
		Al-Qaeda on the other side of the fence, they're doing the same thing.
		I mean, obviously, if they could recruit a Scandinavian, that's the holy grail for them.
		They need people who can move around freely and do their bidding.
		And converted, people who convert to Islam sometimes are more militant than those who were born that way, correct?
		And Alberts go to prisons, too, to get their recruits.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Right.
unidentified		You can argue the converts are always a little bit more zealous in terms of their religious fervor, but the problem with Al-Qaeda has been garbage the whole time.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Right.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		We can map the changes in Alex.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		But Fox News has been a pile of shit since it started.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Pretty much consistently sucked.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		We need to listen to this because you need the context to see what Alex is freaking out about.
		She didn't read those reports now, have you?
		But what they're doing is just trying to extend the fear.
		They're trying to make the fear bigger of Muslims in general.
		But Alex has a completely different take on it.
unidentified		Is that to go into a prison and try to recruit individuals, that person's already tainted.
		What they really need, they need people who haven't run afoul of law enforcement in the past.
		So in a sense.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		And then it goes on and on that it is, just like the FBI training manuals say, white male who locks his desk.
		A lot of times it says we're in management positions.
		It says we're quiet.
		We keep to ourselves.
		They're evil white males, and they're al-Qaeda.
		They're everywhere, ladies and gentlemen.
		The guy pumping your gas, Al-Qaeda.
		That school teacher, Al-Qaeda.
		In fact, the FBI manual says that priest, Al-Qaeda.
		It says the Caucasian woman pushing the baby carriage, Al-Qaeda.
		That's a quote.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		You don't know what that is.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Al-Qaeda.
		Everywhere.
		They're just.
		They're everywhere.
		Take all my rights away, government.
		Take all my freedoms.
		Put a bracelet around me with a taser.
unidentified		Give me safe and heavy land.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I'm guessing what he's talking about is FBI manuals that talk about the ascendancy of white terrorism.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		The ones that white people do.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		What we've seen the results of terror.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		To me, I think what he's trying to do there is invalidate any possibility of you calling white male domestic terrorism terrorism.
unidentified		Yes.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		So he's trying to preemptively excuse.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		So whenever your Timothy McVay does all of that stuff, he's going to conflate the idea of them being terrorists with the government calling them al-Qaeda.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Right.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		So it's like, no, these guys aren't terrorists.
		They're mentally ill or it's a false flag.
		Yeah.
		Because if they were terrorists, they would have joined al-Qaeda.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Well, in the same way that the globalists are preparing the ground for you to have your farm burned down and then they say that they were fighting Al-Qaeda in Rex's conception.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Right.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		They're doing this so someone like Timothy McVeigh could blow up the Murray building and then Alex can say, they just, you know, it's all a setup.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Oh, they're going to call him.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, And again, like what we're finding, I believe, is pretty decent evidence that the excusing of white terrorism and things that encroach upon Alex's white identity, that's a very consistent thing.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		This is 10 years ago that he recorded this.
		Right.
		And it's a very essential piece of his world philosophy.
		There may be nothing more.
		I mean, the guns might even be secondary to white maleness.
		Yeah, absolutely.
		It's very weird.
		It's not that weird.
		Makes total sense.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
unidentified		But it's a lot of those guys have it really.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Like, I mean, I would say probably as a terrorist force, white people are historically strong.
		They're the frontrunners, I would say.
		Competent.
		I would say white people have really been doing some terrorism for a long time.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Well, when I hear a report that says that Al-Qaeda is looking for people who can blend in, I hear that and I don't take it personally.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I think, that makes sense.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, exactly.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		That's probably what I would do if I were.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's a smart idea.
		You're not going to get past customs looking like you're in Al-Qaeda.
		That's kind of the thing.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		If you're a cartoon of a terrorist, you're not going to be able to.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Not that everyone is, but of course you would look for people who can blend in.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		That's just good.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Seems like a good strategy.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that's spycraft.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Alex hears it and takes it very personally as a white person.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		And that to me means he is somebody who has said in private, because I don't know if he said it on the show, but he has said race traitor a lot.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I would imagine, if not literally, yes, that idea in not so many words.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		And I don't know if he's taking it personally so much as More on the lines of, like, to me, what I can hear there is him being like, they're saying that all white people aren't on the same side.
unidentified		Yeah.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Which boggles, which boggles his mind.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		To him, it's every white person is in it together.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		There's some of that in there.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		But he would call it the West, probably, or something like that.
unidentified		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Some code.
		Anyway, in this next clip, we get to deal with the fact that recently, when this episode aired, George W. Bush threw out the first pitch at the christening of the Washington Nationals Stadium.
		Yeah.
		And apparently, they were playing the Braves, and the Braves tried to get him to wear a Braves jersey, and he said he didn't want to be booed.
		And then Alex's contention is that he was mercilessly booed anyway.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		He plays the audio later.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It's amazing.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		It seems like he had that coming.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I feel like he should have been mercilessly booed.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		He plays the audio of it, and Alex claims that he's getting booed, and they just piped in some applause.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Oh, they sweetened it.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		You can tell that it's just a mixed reaction.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it's a strongly mixed reaction.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Mitch Hedberged the sound.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Right.
		There are booze, for sure, but there are also people who are clearly applauding.
		It's just a mixed reaction, which is what you would expect at a fucking baseball stadium.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Especially in D.C.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		With the president there.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So that's a different thing.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		This is him.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		With the shitty, shitty, shitty president there.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		And this is right before the massive collapse of 2008.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		So people weren't even really on the boo the fuck out of G-Dubs yet.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Not quite yet.
		But he talks a little bit about that, and then he says something that's really ironic in hindsight, considering what he says about how Trump is going to save America.
		Trump is basically America's last stand.
		He's a bulwark against these globalists and what have you.
		It's just very ironic 10 years later.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		I was reading the AP headline here, and it says that the Washington Braves tried to get him to wear a Braves jacket, and he said, oh, no, they like booze.
		That's the quote.
		And then he went out wearing a nationals jacket and they boo him.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		It'd be hilarious if he wore an X-Men's jacket.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Announcer just kisses up and just says, oh, that's the best throw by any president ever.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		He's God.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Didn't say that.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		We ought to dig up that Fox News one where you hear the booing and they just fade it down and then fade up cheering and they go, they love him.
		It's like in martial law, I have that clip from his second inauguration where they're saying, cheer for him.
		Let him know that you love America.
		Do you see the propaganda in that?
		It's saying Bush is America.
		You love America, don't you?
		Cheer for him as hundreds of thousands booed and screamed and spit.
		But the national news cut back to wide shot and said, they love him.
		I have that martial law.
unidentified		Cool.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		It's like something out of a dystopic science fiction movie made 50 years ago where the emperor is driving through and everyone's booing and then the announcement is going, they love him.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Now.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Pretty sure they made a lot of those in 2000 and well, every time from the 1950s.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Now consider on the inauguration parade where you have all those shots of empty bleachers with the cavalcade going down the road and Alex Jones screaming, the people love him.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		You get a complete mirror.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Consider the upcoming military parade.
		In which case, Alex will, of course, say, look, look at how everybody loves the president.
		Who is America?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Our glorious leader.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Our glorious leader.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It's fascinating.
		You know what I'm convinced of, actually?
		I'm going to make a prediction here as we're in the past.
		I think that Alex.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Are you going to make a prediction about the past?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		No, about the future.
		Okay.
		I think that what's going to happen is because we keep having these things happen where Trump says he's a globalist and Alex is like, he didn't mean it.
		Trump says, I like taking the guns first and then due process later.
		Alex is like, I think it's a Machiavellian move.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Whatever.
		And he keeps saying, like, I'll turn on him.
		I'll turn on him harder than anybody.
		All this stuff.
unidentified		Right.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I think eventually it's going to become clear that everyone but Alex has been right the whole time.
		And eventually Alex will catch up and something will happen that will be too much for him to handle.
		And he'll be like, I want to go against him.
		And it'll be like the child who thinks that they know what to do and they make a huge mess.
		And then the adults have to be like, don't help.
		Don't help.
		You're making it worse.
		When the kid's trying to clean up and it's making more of a mess.
		Alex Jones is the embodiment of that child who made the mess, thinks they can help clean up but can't.
		And we just have to be like, shut the fuck up.
		Stay on your stake.
		Go over there.
unidentified		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		You're in timeout.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		That's a great analysis.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And he won't listen to that, and it'll just be probably go to prison.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		We can only hope.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		I don't know.
		That's so confusing to me.
		I don't know how that.
		I mean, prison or the destitute getting sued out of.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Ooh, Homeless Alex would be a fun Alex to listen to.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that'd be fun.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Who starts up a podcast?
		I mean, clearly we're living evidence that it doesn't cost much.
		He could do it even if he was broke.
unidentified		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		That'd be great.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Hey, he'd have to get some studio equipment.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Go back to your roots, Alex.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So speaking of Alex's roots, in this next clip, he rips off someone's intellectual property.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		You're these little chandeliers.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Take all the guns.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I love government.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Maybe I'm Bill Clinton.
		I'm bedwedding right now.
		I love you.
		Just red diaper doper babies.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Red diaper doper babies.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		That is specifically a Michael Savage catchphrase.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Michael Savage screams that all these leftists are red diaper doper babies.
unidentified		I don't like that.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		The children of communists.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I don't like that.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I don't think that makes sense.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Eh, it makes sense.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		It's got a good little rhythm to it.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		The children of communists who smoke a lot of weed.
		Red diaper doper babies.
		It's fun.
		Anyway, it's very much a savage.
		I'm a hard out.
		That term may exist previous to him, but in terms of radio personalities and media folk, savages, that's a fucking savage-ism.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Right.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And a caller called in and asked about Michael Savage, and Alex was very wishy-washy on whether he supports him at this point.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		But he clearly listens to him, so he's ripping off his phrases.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I would watch a show called Red Diaper Dopper Babies.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		That wasn't the name of the show.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It's the Savage Nation.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		No, I'm just saying if there was a show named Red Diaper Doper Babies.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Like a cartoon?
unidentified		Yeah.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Ooh, I would watch that.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Like shorties watching shorties.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		More like Muppet Babies.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I would watch Muppet Babies.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Rupert Dopper Babies.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Your dreams can't come true.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Or Rugrats.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		If Rugrats was actually communist propaganda, that would be fantastic.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		In fact, Muppet Babies.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		The two legs that you always see.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yes, Stalin.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		He's actually very short.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		You would see most of his mustache in the frame.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Not compared to the Muppet Babies.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		They're tiny.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		How do you know?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		They're babies.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Stalin was a short man.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So at this point, Alex Jones has a guest on by the name of Twyla Brace.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And they talk, Alex wants to talk all about how the government's stealing your blood.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Twyla Brace?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Where do these people come from?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I will tell you exactly where she comes from in a minute.
		But Alex, their interview is all about how the government's stealing your blood.
		And this is something we covered on a show in the past, so I don't want to belabor it too much.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yes, I recall that narrative.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		But the reason is that there are diseases that need to be screened for.
		And also, It comes down to another one of these, like, eh, you're not that crazy kind of arguments about privacy.
		But in almost every state, they take any identifiers off the blood.
		So it's not like they're coding all of your genomes into the world.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		They're not trying to create a database out of it.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Not a personal human database out of it so much as a database of DNA and the like.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Wherein you can find trends, correlations between genetic markers for things.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Exactly.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		And the more data you have, the more accurate you can be about.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		You're able to save people from lifetimes of pain and suffering, generally speaking.
		There are countless success stories from this.
		And anyway, the thing that I find interesting about it is that throughout this interview, they're very reluctant to say the name of the organization that Twilight Brace works for.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Miss Brace, why don't you, in a nutshell, tell us about yourself and your credentials and how you got into this and what your organization does, and then we'll get into the blood.
unidentified		Sure.
		Thanks so much.
		Our organization has been around for about 12 years, and we both refer to it as your organization.
		That privacy really allows you to give control.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So anyway, she just says some boring shit.
		Like I said, we've gone over this entire narrative and nothing that she says when I was listening is like, oh, that's new.
		It's all the same shit.
		This is actually almost undoubtedly where he gets this narrative from, this interview.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		What organization?
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Well, I don't know.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Let's see if they say.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		I mean, overall, your organization deals with a lot of privacy issues, but give us the skinny on what they're doing with the blood.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Alex wants to talk about the blood.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		They don't say the name of the organization until a ways down the road when it's time to make plugs and what have you.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Is that because they assume everybody knows who she works for?
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		No.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I don't know.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		You think it's purposeful that they're avoiding the...
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		No, I don't necessarily think that.
		That would be paranoid of me to think.
		I think Alex might have skimmed her bio or something like that or has forgotten the name or something like that.
		Occam's Razor tells me it's bad broadcasting.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that sounds reasonable.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		But it's weird that she doesn't say upfront until much later in the interview.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And the organization that she works for is called the Citizens Council for Healthcare.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Okay, good.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Because if it was the NAACP, I would have been very shocked.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		No, no, no, no.
		That is not what she works for.
		She is a tea partier from Minnesota, which is interesting to note.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Already all I need to know to say no.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		No, thank you.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Interesting to note that another tea partier from Minnesota goes by the name of Ted Anderson and runs the Genesis Communications Network.
		Probably a coincidence.
		I have nothing to tie the two of them together, but it's interesting.
		But the Citizens Council for Healthcare, I should tell you, is a member of the State Policy Network.
		They are a member organization of the SPN, which has received significant money from the Koch brothers, as well as from the Claude R. Lamb Foundation and the Charles G. Koch Foundation, which are both Koch family foundations.
unidentified		God, they're so evil and they're everywhere.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Hold on.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		They're just fucking everywhere.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		There's more to this story.
		The donations that the Kokes have made through these foundations are generally not disclosed.
		But in 2007, it was accidentally revealed that David Koch gave $125,000 to Pioneer Institute for Public Policy Research, a Massachusetts-based SPN think tank.
		Further, it was accidentally revealed in 2010 that Koch Industries gave $159,834 directly to the Texas Public Policy Foundation and an additional $69,788.61 from the Claude R. Lamb Foundation, again, another family foundation of the Cokes.
		Extrapolating this.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Weirdly specific amount.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I don't know how to explain that.
		Extrapolating this out, it's probably.
		It's pretty safe to assume that they've funneled a ton more money into these SPN outlets directly.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Insane amounts of money.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		In secret.
unidentified		Yes.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Also, the SPN, the State Policy Network, received $10 million between 2007 and 2010 from an organization called Fund.
		These are what are called donor-advised funds, which means that the fund creates separate accounts for individual donors, and the donors then recommend disbursements from the accounts to different nonprofits.
		It cloaks the identity of the original mystery donors because the funds are then distributed in the name of donors trust or donors' capital fund.
		A Koch family foundation called Knowledge and Progress Fund gave $4.5 million to Donors Trust between 2007 and 2010, but because of the setup, it's impossible to know where those funds went.
		Cloaked money from these two funds were funneled to at least 51 SPN member organizations between 2007 and 2011, according to the Center for Public Integrity.
		Twila is also a member of the Heartland Foundation, which is an organization specifically created to spread doubt about causes that would involve government regulations, such as climate change, health care, tobacco, those sorts of things.
		The Heartland Institute is basically an organization that's just there to sow doubts.
		Heartland also has received significant donations from the Cokes and their foundations.
		For instance, the Donors Trust and Donors Capital Fund gave $13.5 million to Heartland between 2007 and 2011.
		The Lamb Foundation, who mentioned earlier, contributed at least $4.8 million to Heritage between 1998 and 2012.
		Further, Twyla Brace is a writer for CNS News, mostly writing anti-Obamacare articles.
		This is a conservative news site that is owned by the Media Research Center.
		One of the Media Research Center's main funders is ExxonMobil.
		Also, the Richard and Helen DeVos Foundation, the parents of Betsy DeVos and Eric Prince, founder of Blackwater.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		May they be burnt in hell.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And the Lind and Harry Bradley Foundation, another major conservative.
		It's up there with like the Mellon Scafe Foundation.
		They're way up there in terms of these weirdo dark money things.
		Also, Twila Brace was a Tea Party activist.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Where do they fucking get these people?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Real early.
		She was a Tea Party activist and campaigned aggressively against Obamacare, going so far as to distribute flyers telling people not to enroll, and that if you don't enroll, then it'll never happen.
		We can all fight this by just not doing it.
		The Koch brothers, Americans for Prosperity, spent millions of dollars fighting Obamacare.
		The Tea Party was almost entirely bankrolled by the Kokes through the Americans for Prosperity and Freedom Works Foundation, which used to be the same organization that was called the Citizens for a Sound Economy, which was started by the Koch brothers in 1984.
		So all roads lead back to the Cokes.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		These fucking monsters.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		This is something that we're going to experience very frequently with Alex Jones' guests back in 2008.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Everywhere.
		I don't know.
		Like, I want to meet these guys, and I want to just find out what it is they actually believe.
		Because I don't know if they believe in any of this bullshit or if they're just like such sociopathic monsters that they're like, we will give any amount of money to completely dismantle anything that isn't us.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Well, it seems like they're just into deregulation super heavily.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Right.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Because their main business as they were coming to prominence was in oil.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And it seems like continuing that involves government deregulation or making higher profits.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		What I see from all of their stuff, though, is like secondarily, I think it's business decisions.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		They just want any possibility of them being paid.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		They're jokers.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		No.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Just sowing chaos.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		No, no, no, no.
		I think it's much more insidious than that in that they are less interested in the business and more interested in just like this vague concept of impunity.
		Like, I want to be able to do control and whatever I want whenever.
		Like, it is a complete desire for autonomy in all things.
		No one can say I can't do this.
		That is their only ideology to me.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I think that's an interesting thought.
		And I think as we go along, we'll learn more.
		And as we go along, there'll be more opportunities for us to get into what indications we can find here and there.
		But at this point, we can say it's suspicious that when listing Americans who were deeply involved with the Nazis, somehow Fred Koch is not involved in that list and habitually isn't for Alex Jones.
		It's interesting that Alex Jones, and this isn't the only example of it.
		This is going to come up multiple times.
		Alex Jones has a guest on who's essentially just works for a Coke front group think tank.
		So I think we're going to see a ton of that.
		I think we're going to see a lot of these people that are people who are on Alex's show who are just funneled from Coke think tanks to spread misinformation.
unidentified		So that's exciting.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		We're never going to win.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		But at this point, they're too big and too evil.
		At this point, I don't think that there is a strong parallel or anything like that.
		There's just like little kernels of stuff.
		Just like there's a seems to be a lot of Coke connections, a lot of so I don't know.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		But see, that's another thing that to me bolsters my argument is the most common idea behind this dark money is they know that they're doing something evil.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Right.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		And they are hiding it because that's how you get away with doing evil shit.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Exactly.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		But to me, for them, it's, again, this idea of, like, because I'm anonymous, I can do whatever I want.
		Because we're hiding behind eight million different things.
		I'm doing whatever the fuck it is I want.
		And these people are carrying it out for me.
		And I don't have to put my name on it.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I agree with you.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Because I'm a giant fucking coward.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I agree with you that that does seem to be the modus operandi.
		But I want to be clear just because we're being pretty speculative.
		And in the same way that I don't think that that commercial about Israeli tourism proves that Alex Jones works for Israel, it's just weird.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Right.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Right, right, right.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		In the same vein, the fact that Alex is on some Coke tips here, I don't think that that necessarily means he works for them.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It's just weird.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Right.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And again, that's not even a one-to-one comparison between those two examples I'm making.
		I'm just saying this doesn't prove anything.
		It's just it's it got my ears up.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Right, right, right.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Anyway, in this next clip, we learn that Twila is a very paranoid person and probably belongs on InfoWars.
unidentified		Well, this whole program is not just about the screening of the child.
		It's not just about the infant and the parent.
		It's about cost containment and prevention.
		And I think, you know, it's good for your listeners to let that roll around in their brains a little bit because cost containment and prevention likely means that we don't want any child that's not perfect.
		And we worry about the day where the genes of a child are fished into to find the imperfections, and it will be part of whether or not you can be married, whether or not you should have children.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		So Gattaca.
		They're just describing Gattaca.
		They all saw Gattaca and they were like, well, this is obviously what they're trying to do.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		That's what I'm saying.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Despite the absurdity of that plan.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		But that's one way to look at it.
		Another way I might look at it is the cost prevention is indicative of, hey, if we catch this disease pre-birth or very early, we're able to treat it.
		There are therapies that we can use.
		But if we don't, you will have a handicapped person for the rest of their life that will require extensive medical bills.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Or like with the homeless population, if they have homes, they're far more likely to wind up in a hospital emergency room bringing up shit tons of bills that you eventually wind up having to pay for.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		There are there are there are ways to preventative measures are more effective.
		Yes, always.
		There are ways to interpret cost prevention or something like that in a really evil, eugenics-y way.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Right.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And there's a way to look at it in the way that people mean it.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Right.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And they're not the same.
		So anyway, it just seems to me like she's perfect.
		She's a good fit for this show.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		But also boring.
		But that's on par for Alex Jones in 2008.
		This show's pretty boring at this point.
		Yeah.
		I'm not enjoying listening to it.
		He doesn't scream that much.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Oh, well.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		He was just more nonchalantly sarcastic in most of the calls.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, so far.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Anyway, we got one more clip from Twyla here, and Alex Jones pulls out his favorite subsection to try and impress her.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Have you looked at U.S. Code Title 50, Chapter 32, Subsection 152A, Paragraph B?
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		I can tell that I have missed something in all my research.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Sure have.
		So is Alex.
		He's missed paragraph C. Again, we've discussed this over and over again.
		That's the subsection that he uses to justify his belief in chemtrails.
		But paragraph C, which is right after paragraph B that he cites, says that informed consent is required for all of those things.
unidentified		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And so it doesn't make a justification for this blood stuff.
		It's not a justification for chemtrails stuff.
		It's nothing.
		He's just talking shit because he memorized something that he can say fast and confuse people.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		It's very much the balance between the two.
		I see two big things of two buckets of how much water you're putting into each one is how much more important you think one is than the other.
		And to him, the paragraph B has all of the water in it.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		And the, you know, the requires informed consent.
		To him, that's just like, oh, they have to put that in there.
		And then they'll manufacture your informed consent later on.
		Like, that's always his idea.
		So if they have any kind of, if you have any kind of thing and then you have a regulation on it, the regulation is a lie.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Right.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Even if it's there.
unidentified		Like, just as such a not fun game.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Just as the regulations on oil companies for climate change and all that stuff are manufactured to destroy the very thing that they're supposed to protect.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		So is the regulation on the evil shit that they say really something that's there for them to destroy whatever it is that they're it's stupid.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it's nonsense.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		It's stupid.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Any qualifying clause is too complicated for Alex.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Ignore it.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It's probably there.
		It's bullshit.
		Exactly.
		So anyway, earlier we heard that Alex Jones is advertising for tourism to Israel, which is fun.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		What else is he advertising?
unidentified		Spyville.com is your choice for everything spy-related.
		Stealth cameras cleverly disguised as items commonly found around the home.
		Night vision cameras, covert phone and voice recorders, powerful binoculars, security systems, and more.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Interesting.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Spyville.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Interesting.
unidentified		Spyville.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		For someone who's very concerned about the surveillance state.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		The surveillance state is everywhere.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Join the surveillance state at Spyville.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Get your own cottage industry of spying.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Very weird for him.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Who's watching the watchman?
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Spyville.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Very, very weird.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I heard that commercial.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I'm like, this is off and on brand simultaneously.
		I don't know what to think about this.
		But then he came back from commercial, Jordan, and listened to this shit.
unidentified		Yeah.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		And then before I forget, I keep forgetting to do this.
		There is going to be the biggest announcement this radio show has ever made.
		The biggest announcement in the history of this particular manifestation of my radio show.
		It's been here.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		It's going to be big.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		I don't know.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		I've been doing this show since 98, so 10 years, the syndicated show.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Oh, it's got to be huge.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		The biggest announcement in the history of this radio show coming up next Monday.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		God damn it!
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		You people.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Really seven days from now.
		You will see a huge announcement here.
		Very, very important announcement.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So important.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Coming up next Monday.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		This is the Julian Assange of interviews right now.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So now consider.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Or teases.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		At this point, Alex Jones had announced on his show that the government did 9-11.
unidentified		Yes.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		He has announced on his show that he predicted that the government would do 9-11.
unidentified		Right.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		He has announced that both of those proven true.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Earlier, around, let's say, New Year's Eve 2000, he announced that missiles were being launched.
unidentified		Of course.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And that there's a concentration camp at the Austin airport.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Both of which happened.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Huge announcements.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		What the fuck is this announcement?
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		It's got to be the biggest announcement in the history of InfoWars.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Would you care to speculate on what it might be?
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Boy.
		Because the comments raise it up from 9-11.
		That's a big one.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		The government did Pearl Harbor.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		They never dropped atomic bombs on Nagasaki.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Interesting.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		That was a false flag.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		That was a false flag.
		Japan did it to themselves.
		I knew it.
		Stalin actually was just a cool bro.
		And you know what?
		There was a famine.
		No big deal.
unidentified		So.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		What else we got?
		What else we got?
		Burlusconi?
		Virgin.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Oh, boy.
unidentified		Yeah.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		That's the biggest announcement in the history of InfoWars.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		He's actually a eunuch.
unidentified		Yep.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		He's overcompensating.
		Yep.
		So I listened to this and I was like, there's no fucking way we can do this episode and I can allow that teaser to go on our show.
		Alex can play that game.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, no, we can't do that.
		So I skipped a week into the future to find out what the moment you heard that teaser, you're like, well, fuck the rest of this.
		I got to hear this shit.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So the big announcement is that Alex is adding the fourth hour.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		God damn it!
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So, in 2008, he adds the fourth hour, which at some point fails, and then we've heard the reintroduction of it in 2015.
unidentified		Yeah.
unidentified		So now we've heard him announce the fourth hour twice.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		But we'll get to that once we get to April 7th, because that's coming up in the future.
		But spoiler alert, he's bringing back the fourth hour with authority.
		So that's great.
		This next clip is a Mike Down moment because we get another endearing Alex Jones loves country music moment.
		Wonderful.
unidentified		Country boy can survive.
unidentified		Country folks can survive.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah.
unidentified		Because you can't come about and you can't make a fun.
unidentified		The wizard mold boys raise.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Don't gotta go.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		We say grace.
unidentified		We say grace.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		We say man.
unidentified		If you ain't in the bath, we just give a damn.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		We're back live, ladies and gentlemen.
unidentified		Yep.
unidentified		We came from the West Virginia coal mines and the Rocky Mountains.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Still going to cut off Junior, isn't it?
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		And we can skin a buck.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		We can run a trot line.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Also, right there, that's where Alex Jones gets his skin a buck run a trot line.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Oh, okay.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And he always talks about what it means to be country.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		You just steal it from this song.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I did not know that.
unidentified		And a country boy can survive.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Country folks can survive.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Country folks can't survive a black hole chain reaction and superconducting super collider.
unidentified		Is that what they can survive?
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Is that what that song is about?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		No, he said they can't.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Oh, okay.
unidentified		He can't.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		He's trying to weave his narratives in here to this song.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I thought he was throwing that in there.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Country boys can survive a black hole.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		They can survive a lot, but not.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		One thing the country boys, look, old, old stereotype of country boys always survive black holes.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		This isn't done.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Neither can the friend in New York City called Junior Hillbilly.
		I'd like to spit some beach nut in that dude's eye and shoot him with my old 45.
		All right, that's enough torture.
		Torture of the audience.
		I'd rather just have fun and play music here on the show.
		You'd have your hard rock music with your country and your classical all mixed in with your music.
unidentified		What is happening right now?
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Ah, here's Gary Hart.
unidentified		Okay.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Now here's this asshole.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Here's Gary Hart.
		This fucking.
		That's it right there.
		I mean, that's 100%.
		That's beautiful.
		He even says what we keep saying.
		I wish I could just play music.
		You'd have a great selection of music here.
		Play some jams.
		I think the world would be better if you would have just gotten on a different format.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Imagine if he was like a morning, like an evening DJ.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Right.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		And he was just playing the old country hits.
		And on the side, he just threw in some batshit stuff.
		You know, with like it's 45 minutes of non-stop hits with some stuff in.
		And then his inner cut is just like, oh, that was a great song from Wayland Jennings.
		The Government Dead 9-11.
		Next up, we've got some wonderful, wonderful Willie Nelson.
		You guys are going to love this after the break.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I think you're not.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		And Government 9-11.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		You're not going to get 45 minutes uninterrupted, and you shouldn't.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		No, I think a great radio format would be him listening to music and screaming over it, getting real into it.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Like a Joe Franklin situation.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		He's having a great time.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Or Joe Frank.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I think it would be amazing.
		I would really enjoy that.
		And then, yeah, he can throw.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I met a woman at a bar.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		He could have revolutionized DJing, quite frankly.
		Like, at a time when you needed DJs.
		Like, in the 90s, when he was coming to prominence as a talk radio guy, is right when Clear Channel was taking over all these, like, consolidating.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		What you're saying is that Alex Jones, for a short moment there, could have been the next cool Herc.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Well, he's never going to play urban music, but he could have been a Wolfman.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		He could have revolutionized DJ.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		He could have been a Wolfman Alex.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Like, he could have done, like, with the, like, obviously, we can't take away from him his creativity, the bullshit that he spins.
unidentified		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		If he could direct that creativity towards a more benign format, you could get something fascinating.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, if he was just an anti-Semite in private, like an anti-Semite in private, where he doesn't really have a reason.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Do you think Jack probably hated Jews?
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Of course.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		We have no idea.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Who didn't?
unidentified		Yeah.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		It was like 70s.
unidentified		They're Corky.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		Oh, man.
		All the game show hosts.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Rob Barker?
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Come on.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yep.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Hated him.
		Who was the center square?
		Do you remember?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Shadow Stevenson?
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		No, no.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Shadow.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		The center square in the.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Whoopi Goldberg was the new one.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Oh, not the new one.
		The effeminate confirmed bachelor.
		No!
		God damn it.
		What's his name?
		Now I'm fucked.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Richard Dalton.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Dover.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Now he wasn't ever in the center square.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I'm just thinking of people from the match game now.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		God damn it.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Are you sure it wasn't Charles Nelson Riley?
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		No, it wasn't Charles Nelson Riley.
unidentified		Okay.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		God damn it.
		That's going to kill me.
		I'm going to look it up.
		Anyway, I have to look it up.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Alex Jones had a better life in front of him and he blew it by not just becoming a DJ.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		He had a beautiful beautiful possibility.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Alex Jones is done with sort of content on this episode, but this next clip is really interesting considering that Alex in present day has said that he had sex with 200 women by the time he was 16 or something.
unidentified		Yep, yep.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Doesn't matter.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		All of them.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Hear this clip in context with that.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		I mean, I remember being like 18 years old and looking at women and lusting after them and like unhappily wishing I could have them all.
		You know, that feeling, that anxiousness.
		Man, she's gorgeous.
		Man, I just want her to now I've developed to the point where I don't even desire women.
		I mean, I do, but that's a smaller part of my psyche.
		I just admire their beauty.
		I share in it, and it's not even sexual.
		I don't even know how to explain it.
		It's like pull up out.
		And I realize that very few people, I don't even think, ever even get to this level.
		And it's so much fun.
		It's so great to be able to appreciate beauty all around you and see it everywhere.
		But I'm already digressing, and I said I'd get into things the elite are doing that endanger the whole planet, but I need to get into this news first here.
		What the fuck?
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I appreciate women on a different level than any of you can ever understand.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I was going to get into what the elites are doing.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		To destroy the world.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Of course, but nice.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I share women's beauty.
unidentified		I don't experience it or just appreciate it.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I share in it and delight in it.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I think what he's trying to say is I have low T. Don't know what he's trying to say.
		I think that was him putting up the bat signal for someone to create Supermale Vitality.
		Because what he's expressing there, I mean, I think, I think.
unidentified		I don't fuck as much anymore, and I think it's just not as interested.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Maybe there's not enough variety.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Married life is difficult.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Diff?
		Now he could be cool hurting.
		Now he could be holding.
		I think that there is.
		I think there's a way that a smart person could express similar things to what he's saying.
		And that there is when you're younger, you have just all-encompassing lust for women.
		And as you get older, you start to settle into an understanding of people's humanity a little bit more than you had when puberty was going on.
		I think that there's possibly something in there, but this is completely contradictory to his story of having sex with 250 women before he was 16.
unidentified		Well, I mean, that was before he could share in their beauty.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Well, no, it just doesn't work.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		No, of course it doesn't fucking work.
		None of what he's saying works.
		No.
		What he just said was the ravings of a fucking serial killer.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Totally.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		That's what somebody writes in their diary before they strangle and rape women.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		He's a fucking, that's an insane person thing.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		No, I don't think it's as crazy.
		I mean, it is coming from Alex.
		Yeah.
		But it's not like the actual content of it, I don't think is that crazy.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		No, that's Edward.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Being able to appreciate women's beauty in a non-lustful way is, I think, what he's trying to express.
unidentified		Is it, though?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Again, I'm reading context clues, and I think that's what he's trying to say.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Look, look, nobody, nobody on this planet right now, I feel, is more in tune with the way Alex's brain works.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Probably.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		So I'm going to lean on you for this.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Although, in 2008, Alex is a different Alex, and I'm still getting accustomed to it.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I still have to get my C-legs as it were about this crazy ding-dong.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Because what I hear is there's somebody in his trunk right now.
		No, Also, by the way, this is a great time to cut in and say the person I was thinking of was Paul Lind.
		Oh, Paul Lind, Center Square.
		Come on, man.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I thought Shadow Stevens was center square for longer.
		Anyway, it doesn't matter.
		I'm most interested in the fact that this is funny in conflict with Alex's claims of, first of all, being way too attractive when he was younger and having sex with 250 women by the time he was 16.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		All of them.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Because he wouldn't express things that way if it was also like he would be like, when I was 18, I felt this unrequited lust towards women thinking I'm wishing I could be with them, but I couldn't.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		He would be like.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's because he had already been with them.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		No, it's not.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		See, no, none of this fucking makes sense.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I'm confused.
unidentified		Yes.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I don't know what he's trying to do.
		Like, that is, though, like, I see psychopath behavior in that, insofar as it is always a manipulation of his past to support his present narrative.
		Right.
		So whenever he wants to be like, I'm the manly man, you can respect me because I fuck.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Right.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Then he's like, I already had sex with everybody.
		So much.
		Everybody that you've ever wanted to have sex with, I already did.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Don't bother.
unidentified		I got it already.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		But when the narrative is, you know, I am, I actually don't even know why he's saying that.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Is there a reason?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		No.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		There's no reason for that, right?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		There's no prior context.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		He had a fight with his wife or something, and he just needed to get that off his chest.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Like, what was fucking going on in his mind?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		The intro to that, what came right before it was his talking, he was talking about having money isn't bad, but having money be all you care about is bad.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And so he equates that then towards the lust for women.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Right.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		But it still doesn't help.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It doesn't, like, me telling you that doesn't give this proper context.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		No, like, what did he talk to the vicar recently?
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Like, what happened here?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And between that talking about money and him getting into the clip that we just played, long pause, where he's clearly thinking.
		But yeah, so I don't know, man.
		Again, I like that.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		He does have sometimes that feel of like all of a sudden all of his previous lies and bullshit just like catch up to him for a moment.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		And he's just this very open and honest person telling way more than he wants to.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Well, I imagine once it all collapses, he'll be one of the most interesting people in the world to talk to because I think he has a perspective that no one can possibly imagine.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Right.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Like the idea of lying for 20 years, like even if he actually believes that the globalists exist, he has to know that he's lying about a lot of other stuff in order to reinforce that narrative.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		He probably has convinced himself and has the cognitive dissonance involved to be like, well, I'm lying about this tiny detail, but it's only because it reinforces the bigger thing that I believe is true.
unidentified		Right, right, right.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And so that's fine.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Anything in service to the larger truth.
		Small truth.
		A lie to solve the larger problem is fine.
		And I think once it's just good tactics.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And I think once it all collapses, I think he probably will have an incredibly interesting perspective that I will go to prison and interview him for my forthcoming novel wherein I try.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		The two dans.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Exactly.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Or I try and make peace with my evil twin.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Anyway, in this next clip, this is our last clip.
		Alex Jones.
		Like you said earlier, this is before the banks entirely collapse.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And what have you.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Before we have the full-on financial crisis that comes in the end of 2008.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Which, hey, guys, you thought you were excited for Avengers 3.
		Let me tell you something.
		The sequel to the 2008 financial crash is going to be huge.
		And hearing Alex. Black Panther just made over a billion dollars.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		We're going to lose over $2 trillion.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		It's going to be incredible.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And I'm super excited to hear Alex's rhetoric as that's happening because it's going to coincide with the rise of the.
unidentified		No, this is actually Obama's fault.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		He's running for president.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		That's why it all fell apart.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		But he, in this last clip, is talking about the banks and what have you, but then he gets weird.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		And they're getting total Nazi-like power over all the other banking and lending and brokerage and stock institutions.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Those fucking globalists.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Now you're just going to have a few people with it all.
		And then there'll be another crisis.
		And then they'll offer the next solution as the tourniquet.
		It's kind of like one of those traps.
		The more you struggle, the tighter it gets.
		And they're just always there going, I'm your friend.
		Never mind my hands around your neck.
		There you go.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		There you go.
unidentified		Yes.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		I love you so much.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Don't struggle.
unidentified		I'm just helping your neck, just wiping some sand off.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Don't you mind that?
		No, you're passing out now.
		I'm your friend.
unidentified		I'm the government.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So that.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Like, he's not like this, Alex, I feel like I could go out to a bar with and have a conversation with, and we would kind of like, like with the Koch brothers.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Have the Center for Freedom Progress, which is like Americans for Progress.
unidentified		Whatever.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Prosperity.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Who gives it?
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		It's all this shit that's built under this name of like, we're helping you, and what they're doing is fucking you.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Right.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		You know, like, there's a point there that he gets it, but if I could just like twist the reason for it, just like, no, no, no, no.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		It's not globalists.
unidentified		It's these guys.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		And they are doing.
		No, no, you're right.
		That's what they're doing.
		You're just wrong about how and who and why they're doing it.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		But he's too dumb and entrenched to listen to you.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		But that's why I would go back in time to 2008.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I feel like we would have more common ground.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		No, because again, this is an example of the broken clock being right twice a day.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Right.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		You have, like, we know because of history that the financial crash is coming.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Right.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And Alex Jones is doing what he does all the time because he works for a guy who sells gold, which is warning people and saying everything is going to fucking collapse.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Right.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So it's not like this is the only time he said it and he's fucking right that this is what's coming.
unidentified		Right.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It's just, it's just what he does all the time.
		And it just so happened a bit after this, it did happen.
		And if you're playing the like, everything is going to crash eventually, if you just say it over and over and over again, it's coming.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		When it does crash, you're going to seem like a gene.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		That's what's so weird about now, where he's saying that everything is going to turn around and it's going to crash.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Well, no, he is saying it's going to crash.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		He's saying it's going to crash, but it's going to be because of the globalists fighting the Trump prosperity movement.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Right.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		He does have us coming and going on that one.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		He has it both ways.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		The only reason that I wanted to keep that clip in is not because I think he said sooth about the banks or anything like that, but because it's a good demonstration that even 10 years ago, Alex was still really creepy.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		He's still really gross.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		He is still in the game.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And he's still getting deep into those weird fantasies where he's playing it out like, I'm going to kill you and that stuff.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		But you can even note that.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Because he has somebody in his trunk.
unidentified		Hold on.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		But even back in 2008, though, he's not as severe about it.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Like, the current version of it is much more animated and much scarier.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		This is just sort of like he's not even committing.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, he would have gone, like, if he had done that speech now, he would go into like details of how they're taking you through the back door and going through the, and now you're being torn down to the basement and they have a gurney down there.
		Why wouldn't they have a gurney down there?
		They're the globalists.
		They keep gurneys in their basements.
		And in the basement, gurney, they're going to have a gurney on top of that gurney.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And they got your kids' blood.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Oh, well, yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Because it's a good idea.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		And they're going to pour it on you in order to gain your blood's adrenochrome.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		They're going to make you get high on your children's blood.
unidentified		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Because that'll make you have even more adrenochrome in your blood.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Exactly.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that's that sort of shit.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So, I mean, look, we've come to the end of the first episode of the 2008 investigation.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		And we've learned a lot.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Look, I don't think we have.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I'll be perfectly honest with you.
		Like, I have mentioned this along the way a little bit, and I think it bears repeating.
		2008, Alex, is much more boring than current day.
unidentified		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Mostly because he wasn't constantly in a state of being pressed against a wall and being a caged animal.
unidentified		Right.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Like, he is a Wolverine who has the back to the wall.
		At this point, he is fucking screaming about anything and everything in 2018.
		And in 2008, he had a much easier road to hoe.
		He has, you know, he's got money coming in from the Israeli Tourism Board.
		People are donating because of his dumb documentaries that we've thoroughly debunked.
		And he has a comfortable existence.
		Like I said, he's still married to Kelly at this point.
		InfoWars is a small operation with only a few employees.
		He doesn't have a ton of overhead.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		But it's an independent business that he runs.
		Yeah.
		He doesn't have to worry about a boss.
		He doesn't have to worry about.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		There's so much going on about his life that he gets to sit around and listen to Country Boys Can't Survive and have a great time with it and then get into whatever he wants to get into, whatever narratives he wants to spin, and he's living it.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Right.
		But you do hear some of that.
		I'm sure he feels like he's getting complacent.
		He's not fulfilling his ambition in the same way.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		He's going to be meant for bigger things.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		Like the way that he feels, the way that he takes those calls of just like, yeah, sure, there's a fucking helicopter.
		He does that to stuff to submit.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		No, he does.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		That's not fair.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Fair enough.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		He's dismissive of his fucking callers all the time.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Okay, fair.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		They're boring and clearly lying to him.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Well, yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Even he knows that.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that's a good point.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		But the only thing that's important about that fucking caller is not his snide dismissal.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It's that he is irresponsible and not helping them.
		That guy needs help.
		That's what's going on with that.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Or he needs friends.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So I think that in time, the there's no helicopter.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Find a singles group.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Right.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		You need a meetup.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Go bowling.
unidentified		Listen, Tinder doesn't exist yet, but one day it will.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Okay, Cupid.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Chemtrail is.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I think E-Harmony was around back then.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		He was a Chemtrail blogger.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Why didn't he bring up the subsection with him?
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		That's a good question.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Interesting.
		Anyway, I don't know.
		I think in time we're going to discover things that are much more concrete.
		But at this point, we have the beginnings of some indications of I don't know what.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		This is going to get weird.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Well, you know, you know what?
		Here's the thing.
		With the 2015 investigation, we had a concrete thing in mind, and that was Trump.
		What about Trump?
		We started on the day that Trump announced his candidacy and saw what happened from there.
		Here, this is so much more open-ended because the Tea Party doesn't quite exist yet.
		The primaries aren't hot yet.
		We're laying a lot of context.
		We're getting indications of who he was back then and what the lay of the land is.
		And as that's the case, I think this investigation is going to be what we're going to find.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		We're going to indict a lot of people who might not be the main targets here.
		Like with Alex, back in this time, what I'm hearing is we're going to get all of these kind of different waypoints starting to generate.
		Yeah.
		And so what we're going to find.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		But we've already found on this episode that the government is trying to take your children's blood clearly comes from Twilight Brace, who works for a Coke-funded.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		But that's what I'm saying.
		That's what we're going to find here: all of these sources and how it is that they are affecting his worldview now.
		That's what I'm really interested in this investigation: is like, how is it that this guy who is just like, again, right in the wrong way a few times, how does this guy turn into the weird fucking monster that is just an unhinged, as you said, rabid Wolverine?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Like, where does this guy come from?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Where do we go from singing fucking the highwaymen to the country boys and wishing he was doing fucking radio?
		Yeah, it's weird.
		I think those are the two things that we're going to find.
		My intention in starting this is figuring out stuff about the Tea Party and the rise of the Tea Party through the lens of Alex.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		And ultimately, it's going to lead back to the Koch brothers.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Probably.
		But I think the accidental thing that we're going to find is the beginnings of all of his narratives, like you mentioned.
		And that's probably much more valuable.
		Yeah.
		So this is going to be probably the worst time of my life.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
unidentified		Yeah.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		It's going to be long.
		It's going to be boring for you.
		And everybody else is going to have a good time.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		You know, try and make the best out of it and make a show out of it.
		But thank you all so much for supporting us and all.
		If you want to find us, you can find us at our website, knowledgefight.com, just renewed for another year.
		Hey, we got it.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		That's another year.
		That's very confident of you.
		It's cheaper that way.
		And what?
		You can follow us on Twitter at Knowledge Underscore Fight.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Correct.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		We're also on Facebook.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		You can go to iTunes.
		You can go to The Libsyn.
		You can find our podcast on places.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		You can.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Basically, those two.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Those two places.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Beyond that, I don't know, man.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		That's all.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I mean, I think the obvious way to start as far as the evil that we're going to deal with that's going to keep popping up again, so we might as well get it out now.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Go fuck yourself, the Koch brothers.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		What about Daddy?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Fred.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah, he can go fuck himself too.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Amen.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Andy in Kansas, you're on the air.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Thanks for holding.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Hello, Alex.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I'm a first-time caller.
unidentified		I'm a huge fan.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I love your work.

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