Pastor Steve Anderson of Faithful Word Baptist Church—listed as a hate group by the Southern Poverty Law Center—joins Alex Jones to peddle pre-tribulation rapture claims, twisting Carol Quigley’s Tragedy and Hope into a gun-control conspiracy while dismissing women’s intelligence, demonizing LGBTQ+ individuals ("filthy sodomites"), and blaming the Orlando shooting victims as "pedophiles." His rigid gender roles ("men must wear the pants") and Facebook rules (banning short skirts) mirror Jones’ fringe rhetoric but lack his performative flexibility. Anderson’s past support for Jones, now rejected as "pro-homosexual," exposes his selective outrage, while his trauma-driven homophobia and manipulative evangelism tactics highlight how extremist theology fuels both conspiracy culture and bigotry. [Automatically generated summary]
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And they explained that that's not even how it works.
And so Alex was just lying.
And I realized that the reason why is that because he didn't make enough money at the marathon and he needs to really get people excited and try and get the fear back in them.
Right.
So I checked in and I looked at the show here on Monday as we were recording on Monday.
And, God, Owen Schroyer was hosting because Alex Jones had to go talk to a lawyer.
I think the British press refers to him often as a champagne socialist, where it's like the people who live in Beverly Hills and are worth $15 million talking about revolution.
But that's the thing I want to say is that, like, for all of that stuff that is valid criticism of him, certainly, that he's very annoying.
Yeah.
He's not somebody, if you look at his actual life and his actual career, he's not somebody who's just been all lip service.
He's really active in like union fundraising and stuff like that.
He's active in trying to help people through action and stuff like that.
And you can't take that away from him, and I won't.
Right.
And the fact that he grew up and was a horrible drug addict and then has been trying to lobby people to deal with drug addiction as a disease and trying to take that more seriously.
I think there's a lot to respect there, even if you have.
It was a really boring interview because Jonathan Davis kept saying, I don't really know much about politics, and I don't want to sound stupid, but Obama's trying to be a dictator.
I have done this strategically in terms of the clips that I have.
We don't have a whole lot from that episode because it's really boring.
But you'll see where we're going.
Here is a clip of Alex giving a little bit of an introduction to Steve Anderson and then talking about a book that is a part of his foundational, like the foundation of his philosophies.
I'll explain on the other side of this why Alex is stupid.
I want to go back to Pastor who's here in studio with us today, and he's got the new, well, he's part of the new film, Pastor Anderson, Let No Man Deceive You After the Tribulation film.
What is your take on this Carol Quigley passage and what the caller was raising?
In order to totally enslave people, you're going to have to take away their guns.
You're going to have to take away their weapons.
The Bible clearly says that the Antichrist is going to make war with the saints and overcome them.
Well, how's he going to do that?
Obviously, he's going to put us in a society where we have no freedom, where we're completely controlled, completely surveilled.
We're not going to have any weapons.
We're not going to be able to defend ourselves.
And that's why the Bible tells us that Christians are going to be beheaded en masse because the fact that the government's going to have the control to carry out the government.
I want to go back to the caller, but if you just joined us, I'm going to read the passage from page 1,200 that the caller was raising.
When weapons are of the amateur type of the 1880s, as they were in Greece in the 5th century BC, they are widely possessed by citizens' power is similarly dispersed.
So dispersed power is everybody.
Does that sound good?
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Like a UN century schedule read-out loud situation.
Alex there at the end was saying that the U.N., the 2001 small arms treaty that they made in the U.N. It was about shrinking arms.
It was about disarming all the world.
I just want to read to you here from something that was put out by the UN about myths about the UN.
Myth.
This conference is being convened to draft a global treaty to ban ownership of firearms.
Facts.
The review conference is not about banning small arms or prohibiting people from owning legal weapons.
The review conference will not be negotiating any treaty to prohibit citizens of any country from possessing firearms or to interfere with the legal trade in small arms or light weapons.
The United Nations Program of Action on Small Arms does not prescribe or suggest any action against the legal trade, manufacture, possession, or ownership of weapons.
Each sovereign state determines its own laws and regulations for the manufacture, sale, and possession of firearms by its citizens.
The United Nations has no jurisdiction over such matters.
The program was agreed to in 2001 by the 191 member states of the General Assembly, including the Parliament members of the Security Council.
They committed to collecting and destroying illegal weapons, adopting and or improving national legislation that would help criminalize the illicit trade in small arms, regulating the activities of brokers, and setting strict import and export controls.
It's not about saying people can't have guns or trying to outlaw guns in any way.
It is just a matter of illegal international gun running.
And again, let's show people from the actual book.
If you guys can document Cam in on here, I want to show people this right here.
Right here.
When the weapon, thank you.
When the weapons are of an amateur type as the 1880s, as they were in Greece in the 5th century B.C., they're widely possessed by citizens' power is similarly dispersed.
And no minority can compel the majority to yield to its will, globalist foreign bankers.
With such an amateur weapon system, that's what he calls it, in other conditions that are not totally unfavorable.
See, that's saying it's a problem for the elite if people are armed.
We are likely to find majority rule.
Ah, this is a big problem.
And a relatively democratic political system.
But on the contrary, when a period can be dominated by complex and expensive weapons that only a few persons can afford to possess, robot armies, drones, or can learn to use, we have a situation where the minority who controls such specialist weapons can dominate the majority who lack them.
And the minority is a eugenicist, Luciferian, meritorious.
Sooner or later, an authoritarian political system that reflects the inequity and control of weapons will be established.
At the present time, there seems to be little reason to doubt that the specialist weapons of the day will continue to dominate the military picture in the foreseeable future.
And I'm going to do a whole piece on this because I would love that.
He goes on to say how terrible it is that in the United States we have guns.
That's right over here because they're not going to be able to have their social engineer system because of the United States and the guns and England.
So he's using a little passage from page 12,000, 1,200 in this Carol Quigley text.
When weapons are of the amateur type of 1880, as they were in Greece in the 5th century B.C., they're widely possessed by citizens.
Power is similarly dispersed, and no minority can compel the majority to yield to its will.
With such an amateur weapon system, we are likely to find majority rule in a relatively democratic political system.
But on the contrary, when a period can be dominated by complex and expensive weapons that only a few persons can afford to possess or can learn to use, we have a situation where the minority who control such specialist weapons can dominate the majority who lack them.
So what this is actually talking about has nothing to do with taking people's guns or anything like that.
Carol Quigley wrote this book in the mid-60s, and it has to do with Cold War status quo systems between the United States and the Soviet Union.
Just on the page before this, on page 1199, he says, forecasting can be attempted only by extrapolating recent changes into the future.
But this is risky business since there is never any certainty that present directions will be maintained.
And he goes on to really lay out that what he's talking about in terms of this stuff is back in early times, you had really rudimentary weapons.
Absolutely.
You had rudimentary weapons that anybody could use.
And in those times, you had armies that were made up of just citizens.
And so you would have people who would be driven to war mostly by overarching reasons to go to war, like encroachment from, you know, like someone's going to wipe us out.
High-end philosophical reasons to go to war, like self-sustaining reasons to go to war.
Whereas in the future, the weapons are going to become more complex and more expensive, and that requires professionalization of the army.
And in those cases, what you would see is likely a reduction of all-out war, because in those circumstances, you would have professional armies who aren't going to go to war necessarily for the same reasons that you could when everyone had swords and shit like that.
On page 1201, when the continued professionalization of the armed services caused by an increasing complexity of weapons, we may look forward with some assurances to less and less demand for total wars using total weapons of mass destruction to achieve unconditional surrender and unlimited goals.
So he goes on to talk about the situation between the United States and the Soviet Union and how the idea that we're getting worse and worse nuclear weapons makes everything much scarier, but also makes the likelihood of any of those things happening less likely.
Because they're so scary, and because there are...
And it's a text that is, again, we keep coming back to this.
It's a text that's descriptive, not prescriptive.
He is a historian who's talking about the trends that have existed throughout history in civilizations and talking about what is likely to come from these trends.
Not saying we should do X, Y, or Z, just talking about the potential outcomes that could come from this path, this path, this path.
Now, I found a quote on page 1208 that I thought was actually very interesting.
Quote, there is still another element of this complex picture.
This is also related to weapons.
The large part of history over thousands of years shows that the reason political units have grown larger in certain periods has been because of the increased power of the offensive in the dominant weapons systems.
And the periods in which defensive weapons become dominant have been those in which political units remained small in area or even became smaller.
The growing power of castles in the period of about 1100 BC to about AD 900 made political power so decentralized and made power units so small that all power became private power and the state disappeared as a common form of political organization.
Thus arose the so-called Dark Ages.
So the thing that I'm bringing up here is that Alex would probably really like the decentralization of power and making power units smaller.
He doesn't like the federal government.
He likes the state government.
So if you really wanted to say, why don't you fucking tell everyone to get a castle?
Then in a certain way, it's even more fascinating that Alex loves guns so much because guns themselves, according to that kind of thought process, are one of the main reasons that we have a federal government.
So in this next clip, this is the last thing we're going to hear from the episode with Alex and Steve Anderson.
But I wanted to play this especially just to illustrate that Alex is agreeing with him, and the two of them are sort of tag teaming this conspiracy talk, and they're in agreement.
You know, it talks about the distribution of power amongst a lot of people versus being ruled by a small minority.
Well, when we look at the book of Revelation, we see the end of this is that all the power is going to be concentrated in ten kings or ten leaders, and then all of those who give power unto the beast.
No, what I want to stress is the caliber of guests Alex has on his show.
Like a lot of times, people who come on try and present themselves as like he's trying to present himself as like a biblical expert or something like that.
The beginning of understanding is the fear of the Lord.
And he's going to walk out the door of these institutions of so-called higher learning because they're learning from fools and they become a fool themselves.
You know, you talk to some of the smartest people that you know.
There are people who know this book really well.
Why?
Because the Bible says of the Word of God, making wise the simple.
The Bible makes wise the simple.
I've noticed people, when they get saved and start reading the Bible, they get smarter.
The Faithful Word Baptist Church in Tempe, Arizona.
The church is currently listed as a hate group by the Southern Poverty Law Center because of Anderson's racial stances, including the belief, or radical stances, excuse me.
Anderson established his church on Christmas of 2005 at his home address.
He established it as a totally independent organization.
The church's website states Faithful Word Baptist Church is a totally independent Baptist church, and Pastor Anderson was sent out by a totally independent Baptist church to start it in the old-fashioned way by knocking on doors and winning souls to Christ.
About a year and a half later, the church was moved to a strip mall that was also used by Anderson's fire alarm installation business.
When questioned about the relationship between the for-profit business and the not-for-profit church in 2009, Anderson responded angrily.
And now you have all the Judaizers out there who are telling us that Christmas is pagan and how we need to Rosh Hashanah and Hanukkah and all that kind of stuff.
Because you could make the same, like, his argument that God destroyed the temple and all that could be flipped back that the miracle of the oil staying for as long as it did is God's way of saying to be cool.
Now, here's the next clip: as for ye, brethren, verse 14, became followers of the churches of God, which in Judea are in Christ Jesus.
For ye also have suffered like things of your own countrymen, even as they have of the Jews, who both killed the Lord Jesus and their own prophets, not the next thing.
And have persecuted us, and they please not God, and are contrary to all men.
I mean, is he making a point here or what?
This is a list.
They killed Jesus.
They killed their own prophets.
They persecuted us.
Oh, but they please God, right?
Nope, they don't please God.
They please not God.
Well, certainly there's maybe they just don't get along with you.
Certainly there's somebody that they get along with.
A lot of people have come to me and said, you know, oh, I'm going to struggle with temptation and struggling with, you know, the temptation to fornicate or temptations with pornography or temptations with lust.
You know, what do I do?
And they have all these solutions, but they don't talk about the biblical solution, which is to get married.
That's the biblical solution to the problem.
Now, a lot of people will attack me for saying that and say, that's just so wicked and ungodly to say that, you know, that the purpose of getting married is to avoid fornication.
But isn't that exactly what the Bible says?
That's what it teaches.
Okay, this is just realistic.
This is just biblical teaching from the Bible.
Whether people like it or not, it's God's word.
So God demands purity, and it's better to marry than to burn.
And somebody explaining, yeah, that's what this movie's about.
It's some demonic film of some child, you know, who's communicating with the dead and just glorifying and promoting this wicked, perverted holiday of Via de los Muertos.
And what's interesting is that Brother Bruce Mejia, who's preaching down at Faithful Ward Baptist LA on a weekly basis, he actually just made an awesome documentary about this because I didn't really know much about this holiday, the so-called Day of the Dead.
I knew it was kind of like a Mexican Halloween, and obviously I could tell that it was ungodly.
Or it could be a great country song, like a Wayland Jennings song about a guy who gets his teeth punched out, eating breakfast, and then he kills the man later, and he says, like, they don't serve breakfast in hell.
You know, and sometimes it can have a great impact when your friend comes to you and lovingly tells you, you're going down a dark path.
I'm worried about you.
You're going down a dark path.
What you're doing is wrong.
Here's what the Bible says.
You know, let's get this right.
Let's come back to the Lord.
You know, that's something that we need to do and not just watch our friends go off the cliff and we're just clicking like on every bastard baby picture.
Opposed to viewing, you know, like a partnership where you guys collaborate on, like, what's the best rules for whatever, you know, how we want to live our lives together.
Maybe I'm a guy and I want to start up a small business, and my wife is a doctor, and she makes all the money for a while while she's supporting me as I nurture this small business.
Fuck who's saying this is also partnerships could lead to better outcomes for both people, possibly, as opposed to ratcheting yourself into chains made of the rules that you don't understand you shouldn't want, even though you're told that you have to make them.
Yeah, I've been watching a lot of your YouTubes lately, and I saw some of your sermons where you were saying the gays have a reprobate mind, and you actually had to cast one out of your church.
And I was just wondering, is it possible for somebody that was gay to actually be saved and come to Christ?
No, I don't believe so because of the fact that, you know, if you look at John chapter 12, where Jesus talks about people whose hearts had been hardened and their eyes had been blinded.
In fact, I'll read it for you.
It says in verse number 39 of John 12, therefore they could not believe because the Isaiah said, Before he hath blinded their eyes and hardened their heart, that they should not see with their eyes nor understand with their heart and be converted.
So he talks about people whose eyes are blinded, their heart is hardened where they could not believe.
And I think that in Romans 1, it's pretty clear that the reason why a man would lust after another man, which is pretty hard to explain, you know, when you think about the fact that 90-some people think it's disgusting and revolting, you know, what would get a person to actually desire that?
God gave them over to a reprobate mind to do those things which are not convenient.
And he explains in the process how their foolish heart was darkened and how they are people who don't attain God and their knowledge, the Bible says, and they are haters of God.
I get this vibe of like, yeah, I found this person in a foreign country.
We barely could speak to each other.
I indoctrinated her to my very bizarre version of Christianity, took her away from her family in Germany and brought her back stateside, and now she's stuck.
He did the exact, like, that little answer to the question was exactly what I have heard from so many former Christian crowd people of, like, now, it can't be fine for God because some people think it's gross.
Well, he said 90-something percent of people think it's disgusting.
And if you take the homosexual population, who definitely doesn't think it's disgusting, and then you just take the people who are like, yeah, I get it.
You could like having sex with someone of your same gender.
I don't think that's weird or gross at all.
That's not just 10% of the population.
Unless you're including all of the world.
And there's a lot of like the third world countries where I'm sure that would bump the average up.
And then finally, the official reason that they gave for not letting me in the country is they said that the preaching that I did in Botswana on the radio program where Botswana deported me for what I preached on the radio about the homos, they said, Well, then, you know, because they kicked you out, we're not going to let you in.
And just the fact that there's people who go to this church and they're sitting there in the sermon watching the pastor go, banging a nut and a bolt together.
Man, I can't imagine sitting there and being like, this guy gets it.
After he's like, I've been kicked out of Botswana.
You know, I didn't like going to seventh grade at that messed up school, but in some ways I'm glad I did because it made me so mad that I'm still mad and I still hate their guts.
I still hate these reprobates.
I still hate these sodomites.
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I still hate these haters of God and these vile perverters of the flesh.
It's very difficult without all the context to know, but whatever it is, is something incredibly emotionally charged and a trauma that he's very specifically saying happened in seventh grade that has led him to hate gay people with a violent passion.
Pastor Steven Anderson here from Faithful Ward Baptist Church in Tempe, Arizona.
And I just wanted to record a quick video about the news this morning about the shooting in Orlando.
I guess a Muslim terrorist went into a gay bar and shot him up.
And there's 50 sodomites, homosexuals that have been killed, and another 50 some odd injured.
And then the Muslim guy himself was shot by the police, it sounds like.
And here's the good news and the bad news about this.
You know, the good news is that there's 50 less pedophiles in this world because these homosexuals are a bunch of disgusting perverts and pedophiles.
That's who was a victim here, or a bunch of just disgusting homosexuals at a gay bar.
But the bad news is that this is now going to be used, I'm sure, to push for gun control where law-abiding normal Americans are not going to be allowed to have guns for self-defense.
And then I'm sure it's also going to be used to push an agenda against so-called hate speech.
I just said I'm glad people died because they are gay.
Specifically, I'm glad.
And people are going to come after me for hate speech.
I don't even understand.
I don't even understand why you consider that hate speech.
Hey, I'm just going to go out on a limb here and say that if I said immediately following his church being shot the fuck up and I said, well, at least 50 Christians are dead, maybe.
Just going to go out on a limb.
Maybe some Christians would call that hate speech.
Here's an interview that he gave in a BBC documentary.
It starts with him, and then I will indicate when it goes to the interviewer.
To normal people, homosexuality and pedophilia are disgusting.
To a normal person.
And the interviewer says, why do you put pedophilia and homosexuality in the same group?
He responds, they are in the same group.
Because any man who would have sex with another man would have sex with anything, period.
Like, I'll put it this way: any man who had sex with another man would have sex with an animal.
The interviewer, that's blatantly not true, though.
He responds, it is true.
That's reality, even if you don't think it's reality.
So the interviewer says, What do you think homosexuals should do then?
He responds, kill themselves.
As far as I'm concerned, because they're horrible, wicked people.
They're just going to keep molesting and destroying people.
So I don't have any advice for homosexuals except to put a bullet in your own head so you don't molest my kids or anyone else's kids.
And at this point, it becomes very clear, since this is such a consistent thread, I think he was probably the victim of some sort of assault when he was younger, and he has conflated in his mind that all homosexuals are the same as the person who assaulted me.
I mean, at the same time, it's kind of a trite armchair psychology to be like, well, clearly, based on what you've said, you were molested as a child, and so you're carrying this deep hatred with you.
Well, and that seems really likely right now, but it's not.
So, anyway, without psychoanalyzing him from a distance or whatever, I agree with you.
It seems very likely.
This explains all of his cosmology and the pain that he's causing to a bunch of people and the misleading of 150 or however many people he has in his flock.
And he's the type of person who Alex Jones willingly has on his show as an expert on religion.
Now, I told you it was going to be terrible, and then it was going to be hilarious.
He used to go on the show in like 2009 or so, back in ways in the past.
And in my looking around, I found this video from pretty currently that's pretty funny.
And a little bit later on in 2012, when we came out with our film After the Tribulation, you know, Alex Jones ended up picking it up and selling it on his InfoWars website starting in early 2013, and he sold it until just recently.
Paul Joseph Watson, okay, which is like the second in command to Alex Jones.
You know, I had been following him on Twitter and on Facebook, and I had to delete him from everything because the guy is like a broken record.
He's so boring.
Everything is just about Islam and pro-Trump and pro-homosexual.
I mean, literally, like, everything that this Paul Joseph Watson is saying is just now it's just pro-homosexual and just, you know, pro-Trump and anti-Islam.
Now it's just pro-Republican, just, you know, anti-Islam.
And look, I'm against Islam as a wicked religion, but I'm talking about that's all they talk about now is just being against Islam because that's what their Republican neocon warmonger audience now wants to hear, apparently.
It's an unbelievable story of, you know, we got this guest on Alex Jones' show who's just on the surface appears to be someone who's into post-tribulation rapture.
And then it turns out he is a really weird Christian guy who seems to have some very strong feelings in the negative about Jews.
And then also also goes on violent, angry rants about homosexuals to the effect, even going so far as to say that they're all pedophiles and he's glad that they got killed in the pulse shooting.
And we can use context clues to figure out why that's the case.
And then even he fucking gets that Alex is an idiot.
He's pissed off that they've stopped inviting him on and they aren't selling his shit anymore because even Alex is smart enough to know when someone is bad for business.
You know, when you can't get involved with somebody and it's them.
Also, so far in our Facebook group, the Go Home and Tell Your Mother You're Brilliant, it does look like the people are enjoying the idea of doing a bracket of sound bites instead of a super long one.
So I think I will do that.
So that looks like that is the way we're going to go.
I apologize because there's like two people last time I checked that were anti that option.