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#128: March 3, 2015

Today, Dan and Jordan go on a time-traveling adventure as directed by Policy Wonk Jessie, who wanted to know what Alex Jones was up to on their birthday. As luck would have it, that date coincided with the day that Benjamin Netanyahu came to America and spoke to Congress. This sends Alex into a tailspin of uncomfortable Israel-related weirdness.

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alex jones
19:02
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dan friesen
01:14:07
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jordan holmes
30:11
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joel gilbert
00:51
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andy in kansas
00:00
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Speaker Time Text
alex jones
Andy in Kansas, you're on the air.
Thanks for holding.
unidentified
I'm Alex.
andy in kansas
I'm a first-time caller.
unidentified
I'm a huge fan.
I love your work.
alex jones
I love you.
dan friesen
Hey, everybody.
Welcome back to Knowledge Fight.
I'm Dan.
jordan holmes
I'm Jordan.
dan friesen
We're a couple dudes who like to sit around, drink novelty beverages, and talk a little bit about Alex Jones.
jordan holmes
Indeed, that is what we do.
Dan?
dan friesen
Yes.
jordan holmes
Dan, is there a hook to this podcast?
dan friesen
There is.
And it said, I know a lot about Alex Jones.
jordan holmes
And I don't know anything about Alex Jones.
dan friesen
There we find our fun.
Hello.
Welcome back.
I bid you hello.
jordan holmes
Our intro is set.
And then it's the getting out of the pre-bit.
dan friesen
Yeah, it's impossible.
jordan holmes
Oh, hi.
How have you been?
dan friesen
So, I don't know.
I'm just trying to vamp a little bit while I looked up the names of the people I need to give a shout-out to.
Because I forgot to do that pre-show.
jordan holmes
You've got to signal me whenever I need to vamp.
I have shit to say.
dan friesen
What kind of signal could I give you?
The high sign?
jordan holmes
Point at me.
Give me like an old-timey, like five, four.
dan friesen
Something I'd like to stretch out a little bit is giving a shout out to our new donors.
This gentleman was a donor and he bumped it up and I really appreciate it.
So congratulations on becoming a foreign policy wonk, Miles.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
unidentified
Thank you so much.
dan friesen
We appreciate it very much, Miles.
jordan holmes
Oh yeah.
Always reminds me of the Zach Galifianakis joke that is way older than that, which is, do you think in Canada Miles Davis is called Kilometers Davis?
dan friesen
It's not a bad joke.
jordan holmes
Such an old, lame joke, and I love it.
dan friesen
It's good.
It's fun.
Something else that's fun is another new donor.
This is a new one, and I feel very self-conscious off the top because I think the name is Shannon, but the spelling makes me think it might be Shanine.
It's S-H-A-N-I-N, but either way, Shannon, Shanine, whatever, however we pronounce it, I apologize that I don't know for sure, but we do appreciate you joining up with the show.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you so much.
dan friesen
And congratulations.
jordan holmes
To be determined.
dan friesen
On becoming a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
From now on, not from now on, and this isn't something that I think is a rule that we should have, but instead of signing your name or writing your name down, send in an audio clip of you pronouncing your name correctly.
dan friesen
To be fair, if it's Shannon, that's completely phonetic.
jordan holmes
Oh, absolutely.
dan friesen
You know, I'm the one who's wrong here.
jordan holmes
Well, I mean, who knows?
dan friesen
So if you'd like to become a policy wonk and support the show, you can do so by going to knowledgefight.com, clicking the support the show button, and we would really appreciate it.
Everyone who has donated has created a situation wherein we must now do a full-length documentary commentary track of Alex Jones'terrible documentary Endgame, which we will be doing and releasing shortly.
You were working this weekend at a club, and so we were not able to get together and make it happen this weekend.
But next weekend we will be recording it, and I believe releasing it over the course of the next week.
So if we look at a calendar, that'll be the 19th.
It looks like the 19th will be when the documentary starts dropping.
jordan holmes
Oh, okay.
So that means that we'll be spending all of daylight.
One day doing this entire thing.
unidentified
How long is the sun?
dan friesen
These days, not that long.
unidentified
Not that long?
dan friesen
No, not in the winter of Chicago.
jordan holmes
Sometimes I feel so stupid because I'm like, wait.
Are the days getting shorter or longer right now?
Is the summer solstice when it gets shorter or longer?
Equinox.
dan friesen
Equinox.
jordan holmes
What is the summer solstice, Dan?
dan friesen
It's a very fun time for us to go and gallivant around and celebrate the trees and the wonderful thorns.
unidentified
Right, right, right.
jordan holmes
Is it Stonehenge?
I don't know.
Let's call it Stonehenge.
dan friesen
Something else we celebrate around summer solstice is the passage of time.
This is a much better transition than you think.
jordan holmes
This is a great transition.
dan friesen
It's even better than you know.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
So one of the things we, from time to time, get people who donate on the time traveler level.
Oh shit, are we time traveling?
We are.
We are time traveling.
jordan holmes
Fuck yes.
dan friesen
We got a new one recently.
jordan holmes
Behind Project Camelot time travel, my favorite thing.
dan friesen
It's pretty good.
This one's very weird.
We got a request for a time travel episode just the other day, and it jogged my memory that we had one from October that we forgot to do.
jordan holmes
That sounds right.
dan friesen
So this one is a time travel episode.
jordan holmes
I like how you say we, as though I had any input on it.
dan friesen
Well, we had a conversation about it, because I went back and I told you I needed to do a little bit more research into some stuff.
unidentified
Oh, okay.
dan friesen
And then I kind of just forgot, because Alex got drunk and we had to do that episode.
You know, the present is such a hot mess that it's like, what are we going to do?
jordan holmes
That's such a perfect...
The issue with our show is like, we were going to do something, but then Alex got drunk, so there we go.
dan friesen
Our show is basically Afro-Man.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
But with, I was going to do this, then Alex got drunk.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
I was going to do this time travel episode, but Alex got drunk.
unidentified
All right.
dan friesen
That song was huge!
jordan holmes
That's...
I cannot believe you.
dan friesen
That song was so big, man.
It's hard to imagine.
Terrible, but it was so big.
jordan holmes
Hard to imagine.
dan friesen
So, this time travel episode is going out to PolicyWonk.
We really appreciate you supporting the show.
And what Jesse requested is that we go back to their birthday, which is March 3rd of any year.
And so I went back...
jordan holmes
Alex Jones' birthday.
dan friesen
No, Jesse's birthday.
jordan holmes
Oh, Jesse's birthday.
Oh, that's very sweet.
I'm excited about that.
dan friesen
And so I went back to a couple March 3rds, and I found almost nothing to be excited about.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
And then I listened to March 3rd, 2015, and I...
I found some high weirdness.
Not high strangeness, because that's aliens and shit.
alex jones
Right, right, right.
dan friesen
But I found some very high-level weirdness on Alex's part.
And I'm excited to break down some of it.
And here is a clip out of context drop for you to enjoy from this episode.
alex jones
The Bible's really wild.
And if it's science fiction, how come so much of it keeps coming true?
dan friesen
I don't know.
I can't answer that question.
I also slightly take issue with the idea that it's science fiction.
jordan holmes
I think every part of that sentence is wrong.
I think every single part of that sentence is wrong.
dan friesen
Really?
Okay, break it down.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
You don't think the Bible's wild?
jordan holmes
The Bible is not wild.
It's very wild.
I mean, I would describe it as tragic.
I think the Bible is more tragic than wild.
dan friesen
It's tragically wild.
jordan holmes
Yeah, okay, fine.
dan friesen
Wildly tragic.
jordan holmes
Not science fiction.
dan friesen
No, because we know...
jordan holmes
Because it's against science.
dan friesen
And science fiction is just the dreams of men.
unidentified
We know that.
jordan holmes
That's true.
dan friesen
And it's not coming true.
jordan holmes
It's not coming true at all.
dan friesen
Well, I mean, very bizarre interpretations of it, possibly.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
So, Jordan, to fill you in, just to give you a little breakdown on what's going to happen on this here show.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
March 3rd, 2015 was the day that Benjamin Netanyahu came and spoke to Congress.
jordan holmes
Oh!
Whoa, that's right!
He did that!
Why?
Why aren't we still angry about that?
dan friesen
Well, to be fair, Alex actually hits it on the nail right on the head in the middle of this episode.
We'll hear him say this, and he's totally correct, that it's a power play because Benjamin Netanyahu was running for re-election.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
And it was just sort of a flexing of power coming over here in consolidation with Varys.
jordan holmes
And not talking to Obama.
dan friesen
Well, Obama was not into that.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
He didn't want to get involved.
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
Which Alex also has some weird feelings about.
jordan holmes
Yeah, we all have weird feelings about apartheid.
However, I think Alex is probably on the wrong side.
dan friesen
You know what?
I don't know what side he's on, quite frankly.
jordan holmes
That's right.
That's right.
He hates Jewish people, and at the same time, he loves right-wing people.
Very difficult for him to deal with.
dan friesen
We're going to get into something that's really interesting that is, like, different versions of anti-Semitism are going to come up, because there is, like, ethnic anti-Semitism and political anti-Semitism that are kind of not always related.
There is the version of, like, I hate the Jewish people, and that comes out through, like, blood libel stuff.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Right.
You know, trying to exterminate the Jews a la the Nazis.
And then you have political anti-Semitism, which comes in the form of, like, being opposed to Zionism and that sort of stuff.
And there's a very weird division between those two.
And I'm not sure I can fully explain all of it to you, but turns out Alex is kind of guilty of both.
jordan holmes
If there is a way to be anti-Semitic, Alex will find it.
It is, in some ways, his most admirable quality.
dan friesen
He is the dinosaurs of Jurassic Park in terms of anti-Semitism.
jordan holmes
Yeah, life finds a way.
dan friesen
Alex will find a way.
But here's the thing.
I've listened to this episode twice and a half now, probably, cutting the clips and everything, and I don't fully understand where Alex is coming from.
I don't think he understands what he's saying, because he's been put into a really uncomfortable position.
Because he doesn't, like you said, he supports right-wing type stuff, and they seem to be really involved in Israel.
The APAC lobby is very strong.
But at the same time, he doesn't know where to land on this, and we're going to see a bunch of ambivalence.
unidentified
Right.
jordan holmes
If you hate Jewish people, you can't love Israel.
If you hate Muslims, you kind of have to like Israel.
If you love the right-wing, for some reason, they hate Muslim people and...
Palestinians?
Like, I don't know what anybody is doing there.
dan friesen
And if you're super into sovereignty, you can't really be thrilled with the prime minister of a foreign country coming in and speaking to Congress against the wishes of the president.
Right, right.
So he's a man without a country, and you see it sort of coming up already here in the first clip.
alex jones
We're broadcasting worldwide on 3-3, the third day of March 2015.
Benjamin Netanyahu.
He has just basically completed a lengthy speech before the Congress.
We're going to be breaking down some of the powerful things that he basically said.
dan friesen
Spoiler alert, he doesn't break down the speech at all, really.
Right.
He has one quote from it, and it's just that Israel will not be the, like, we won't be the victims of genocidal aggression ever again.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
And if that's the only quote, I don't take issue with that.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
I mean, I don't know about the application of how you're doing that.
jordan holmes
Not great.
dan friesen
But the sentiment I agree with.
Anyway.
jordan holmes
Because the problem with that quote is really, it kind of is a...
It's almost, in Netanyahu's words, the opposite of what he's intending it to mean, which is, we won't be the victims of a genocide, and the only way to ensure that is to genocide everybody else.
dan friesen
Right, right.
There's a feeling of, like, you're not saying everything here.
alex jones
Yeah.
dan friesen
But anyway, I paused it just to say that Alex does not break down the speech really at all.
So don't look forward to that.
jordan holmes
He doesn't understand any of the words.
alex jones
Because regardless of which side of this debate you're on, there were some major statements.
The days when the Jewish people remain passive in the face of genocidal aggression are over.
Broadcast networks refuse to carry it.
Enraged Pelosi freaks out on the floor.
We've got video of all of this we're going to be queuing up.
I mean, I really am in a paradox here because I have a lot of problems with some of the things Israel does.
But at the same time, I'm not an enemy of Israel.
And I know Israel's a diverse country that has been attacked at least seven times by major armies and by itself defeated them.
jordan holmes
Not by itself.
alex jones
But then I also understand a lot of the Israel lobby is over here lobbying to secure a police state in the U.S. to secure their economic foothold and to secure the U.S. as a backstop for Israel.
I have a lot of resentment over the Israel lobby, but...
dan friesen
So we're already seeing there's a conspiracy in his mind that Israel is using us as a backstop to create a police state here in order to reinforce our support of them.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that didn't make sense.
dan friesen
No.
jordan holmes
Strictly speaking, using the words...
dan friesen
Going by text here.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that doesn't make any goddamn sense.
alex jones
No, no, no.
dan friesen
But that's because he can't.
He doesn't have anywhere to go.
He can't be against this and he can't be for it.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
He's got to play the middle.
And in order to play the middle, he's got to be really weird about it.
jordan holmes
How complicated is the Israel situation?
Even Alex doesn't have an opinion.
dan friesen
Yeah, that's...
jordan holmes
That's how complicated it is.
dan friesen
It's pretty complicated.
jordan holmes
Like, I have many thoughts and opinions, and I have zero solutions.
All of them are like...
I mean...
But...
I mean, don't...
Don't...
Don't genocide?
I think that's the start.
I think that's where we should start.
dan friesen
That's a damn good solution.
jordan holmes
That's a first start.
Don't create an apartheid state.
dan friesen
I mean, that's not a solution.
That's like an ideal end goal.
Or at least a transitional goal, I would say.
jordan holmes
It seems like it should be a lot easier to achieve than you would imagine.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Apparently not.
dan friesen
So, you know, this is going to play out.
It's going to keep going.
But here in this next clip is where Alex sort of gets on a reasonable ground in terms of saying it's just political grandstanding.
And then he loses it real quick.
alex jones
And so Obama said he wasn't going to watch it.
Pelosi freaked out and tried to keep him from speaking.
And I understand at a certain level this is about political grandstanding.
For Netanyahu's facing re-election.
I'm just being cold-blooded here and laying out the facts.
And by the Democrats and liberals worldwide with the socialists that are anti-Israel to the core.
unidentified
Sure.
alex jones
But then there's the paradox of the Democratic leadership getting massive money from different arms of the Israel lobby.
And so the whole thing's very incestuous, very hard to figure out.
But at the bottom of the barrel...
And at the bottom of the whole situation, if you go to a leftist event, they are promoting Karl Marx, they are promoting the end of the family.
dan friesen
Real quick, the only reason that he's saying this, they're promoting Karl Marx, is because he, at the beginning of this episode, he played a Mark Dice report, where he went out on the street and asked people if they supported it.
jordan holmes
Do you mean a Mark Dice report?
dan friesen
Yes.
He was going out and asking people if they supported Obama christening Karl Marx as his successor as president.
And people were just like, I don't know.
Most of the people are like, yeah, sure.
I mean, I don't know who that is.
jordan holmes
Their man-on-the-street interviews are the worst.
dan friesen
They're pretty bad.
jordan holmes
It's so amazing how the basic competence it requires to do a man-on-the-street interview is still beyond them.
dan friesen
Yeah, but at the same time, let's not forget that, I believe, wasn't it Trump who thought Frederick Douglass was still alive?
So, I mean, if you want to play that game.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
These people not knowing who Karl Marx is, whatever.
jordan holmes
I mean, who gives a shit?
dan friesen
Right.
unidentified
Right.
alex jones
They're promoting world government.
They're promoting violent revolution.
They're promoting attack the police.
And they're promoting Israel as the source of all evil and handing out and shelling anti-Semitic pamphlets.
dan friesen
Now, who's doing that?
The right now.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
They're Nazis.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
They're literal Nazis.
dan friesen
You should read some of these stories that are coming out about the anti-Semitic neo-Nazi pamphleting that's going on on college campuses now.
I think it's something like it increased 300% in the last six months.
jordan holmes
Oh, man.
dan friesen
I can't remember the exact statistic, but it's a dramatic increase.
jordan holmes
Have you heard the story yet from the one college where they had a right-wing rally all set to go?
dan friesen
Free speech.
jordan holmes
Yeah, and then because they were concerned, there was also at the same time a movement or an event to support black people, and they were worried that there would be a conflict, right?
So they were like, okay.
Well, we gotta let these Nazis talk, so we're gonna cancel this support for black people movement.
dan friesen
Cool, cool, cool.
jordan holmes
Which could not be more American.
unidentified
Right.
jordan holmes
Nothing is more American than, well, we gotta let the Nazis talk.
dan friesen
Well, I mean...
jordan holmes
That's just politeness.
dan friesen
It's baked into that idea of free speech being to protect unappealing speech.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
I think people, sometimes people, like, maybe fetishize that a little bit.
unidentified
Meh.
Or maybe they're racist.
alex jones
Then the very same group will run around claiming brown bags are racist and having a fiesta party at your fraternity is racist.
No, people like to wear sombreros and get drunk and have a food truck come with enchiladas.
The Mexican fraternities have those too.
The Hispanic fraternities.
The very same group in the left will hype racism that is non-existent.
Or exaggerate stuff that's there in vestigial to create infighting and balkanization while obsessing 24-7 on Jews.
dan friesen
Oh boy.
jordan holmes
I don't know how he got to any of those thoughts.
dan friesen
He's going to have to talk about Jews a lot in this episode.
And he has to dance.
And he has to, like, talk about all of his other narratives and then sort of combine them, but not too much.
This is one of the most, like, ambivalent Alex I've ever heard.
Do you know what I'm saying?
Like, he just doesn't want to go too far in any directions because he knows he's going to piss off somebody.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
But at the same time, I mean, we talk about this all the time.
The idea of, like, the sombrero parties that he's talking about.
That's using someone else's culture as a costume, and that's offensive.
jordan holmes
It's bad.
dan friesen
I would like to also point out, this is a really fun thing, you know the documentarian Louis Thoreau?
He's a great British documentarian.
He did a series called Weird Weekends, where he would go and hang out with just fringe people.
Sure.
And so he went and lived with the Westboro Baptist Church for a weekend.
It was pretty horrifying.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that doesn't sound like a good weekend.
dan friesen
And he did a documentary about white supremacists.
And he ended up hanging out with, I can't remember the guy's name, it's Metzger.
It's something Metzger.
jordan holmes
I hope it's not Kurt Metzger.
dan friesen
It's not.
But he's a big leader in the white supremacist movement.
And he'd printed out zines and what have you and go give speeches at neo-Nazi rallies.
Great.
And one of the things that ends up happening is it turns out that he likes to go to Mexico and get really fucking wasted.
And so Louis goes along with this fucking white supremacist Nazi to Mexico because his weird...
Like this coked out lawyer guy who represents him is like banging around with a Mexican prostitute.
So they go down to Mexico.
And of course, it's just this Metzger going around with a sombrero, drinking tequila all over Mexico.
And it's one of the weirdest fucking things I've ever seen.
jordan holmes
I don't understand white supremacists, and somehow I don't understand them more after you told me that.
dan friesen
Totally.
I recommend the documentary so highly.
You get just a pathetic look into a sad shell of a hateful man.
jordan holmes
It's so weird.
dan friesen
They're so weird.
Those are all on YouTube.
You can find them.
I recommend them.
jordan holmes
You can hang your hat on anything.
Why has it got to be whiteness?
Yeah, that's true.
That's a good point.
dan friesen
Anyway, I recommend Louis Thoreau's work very highly.
jordan holmes
We don't have enough?
All right.
dan friesen
He has this great style where he's really unassuming, kind of, and he gets people to open up in ways that they probably shouldn't.
Right, right, right.
He's very compelling.
jordan holmes
He just seems like everybody likes to hear themselves talk, as evidenced by me.
dan friesen
In that documentary, he goes and hangs out with a couple skinheads at their house, and they keep asking him if he's Jewish, and he's like, I'd really rather not answer that question.
And they're like, well, get the fuck out of my garage.
If that camera wasn't here, I would beat your ass.
Like, I'd really not, I'd prefer not to discuss this.
jordan holmes
Hey, um...
No?
dan friesen
Yeah.
So, in this next clip, Alex talks about the idea that the left is fine with some...
Jewish-based conspiracies, but somehow it's not okay for other ones.
That's very weird.
jordan holmes
That's right.
There's another thing going on here.
dan friesen
What's that?
jordan holmes
He loves it whenever anybody pisses off.
Pelosi and Obama, right?
It's true.
So that adds another layer of he doesn't know what it is he's supposed to say.
dan friesen
Yep.
jordan holmes
God!
dan friesen
Totally.
jordan holmes
He is fucked!
dan friesen
That's gonna come into play a little bit later, too.
That specific feeling that he has about, like, fuck these Democrats.
They're angry.
Ah, shit, I should like that.
unidentified
Oh, fuck!
jordan holmes
I don't...
It's like an Old West movie where some asshole is, like, firing a gun at his feet.
Like, dance!
Dance, motherfucker!
dan friesen
So here, this is just a clip.
I mean, the only way I can describe this is, like, Alex starting talking about something and then getting fucking super off track and just losing.
Like, he has no idea where he's going.
jordan holmes
Okay.
alex jones
And it's acceptable in leftist ideology to kind of go along with the idea that there is a...
Jewish conspiracy of colonialism.
dan friesen
No, there's not.
That's not acceptable.
alex jones
That's the spin.
The Klan says it's a Jewish conspiracy of banking.
dan friesen
Do you understand what he's getting at there?
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
I don't 100% either, but I believe that what he's saying is that there is...
Let's let the clip play.
Let's see if he gives us more context clues, because I think I know what he's saying, and it's not good.
alex jones
And then the left says, no, it's a Jewish conspiracy of basically fascist capitalism.
And then when you look at it, you know, most legends like this have some kernel of truth.
There are a bunch of big financiers and people like the Rothschilds that are Jewish.
dan friesen
Pull up.
Pull up, Alex.
alex jones
Fed chairman of those guys that have been Jewish.
And certainly that's something that Jews...
A lot of Jews work to be in the top of finance because it's a very prestigious position.
jordan holmes
Oh, boy.
alex jones
Just like you go in to find the top heart surgeon and maybe out of ten of them in your city, you know, half of them are Jewish.
So, I mean, nobody can deny the fact that Jews are, on average, overachievers, high educations.
All I know is this statement that Jews are evil inherently when Jews are such a diverse group of people and constantly fighting with each other like every other group.
And runs the gamut from right-wing to communist to libertarian.
jordan holmes
That's not the whole gamut.
alex jones
Like Aaron Russo.
Or Matt Drudge or so many others.
I'm just sick of the stereotyping.
And then the globalists above that, the very same globalists that use socialism as their control system.
jordan holmes
Who are definitely not Jews.
alex jones
They are using Jews as, again, the bygone boogeyman.
Like you.
To basically scapegoat the whole debate and just say, well, if it wasn't for Jews, there wouldn't be any problems in this world.
dan friesen
I am very uncomfortable.
unidentified
I'm deeply troubled by what he's saying.
jordan holmes
It's so weird for him to be like, well, the left says that they have conspiracies and the right isn't allowed to?
Now, admittedly, the Jews do run the banking industry.
And you're like...
dan friesen
But that's just because they are very educated, and it's a high-profile position to be in, and they're very much overachievers.
jordan holmes
And I'm against stereotypes, by the way.
Now, the stereotype that they are overachieving, all Jews are the same thing.
But I'm against stereotyping the Jews.
dan friesen
It's almost like he's saying, like, I mean, to a great extent what he's saying is, like, now, the left has their conspiracies, the right has theirs.
Most of them are true.
Yeah, isn't it?
jordan holmes
Isn't it pretty much exactly what he said?
dan friesen
Behind it, there's something that's true.
jordan holmes
And then he's like, and then above them are the globalists who are using the Jews.
unidentified
Right.
jordan holmes
Which is like, what?
dan friesen
That's just how he gets off the hook of like, no, no, no.
Globalist, Jew, different.
It's different.
I'm not being anti-Semitic when I use all of these anti-Semitic canards to describe the globalists, and I can't really prove they exist.
jordan holmes
And admittedly, most of the globalists that I do talk about.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
Wind up being Jewish, like the Rothschilds and all of those people.
dan friesen
And I completely lie about their history, which we're going to get into in a little bit here.
jordan holmes
Of course.
If anybody knows nothing about Jewish history, it is Alex Jones.
dan friesen
And especially, like, Alex has a dangerous set of beliefs that he has about the Rothschilds that, like...
I mean, we could do two hours on it, quite frankly.
It's a disaster.
But in this next clip, you know, what we just listened to was a little bit...
Daisy.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
It's like, Alex, tread lightly.
You're heading towards something kind of anti-Semitic.
Yeah.
And this next up, Alex complains that people...
He's just tired of being attacked for being anti-Semitic.
And then he launches into something directly anti-Semitic.
jordan holmes
Of course he does.
alex jones
And I've just seen losers throughout my life.
Who will blame a racial or religious group for all of their problems because they themselves don't want to get up and work hard and take action and work with other people and have a good attitude.
That's what it comes down to.
And this comes from somebody who's been savaged by the leftist arm of the Jewish lobby.
Not so much the Israel lobby because, again, there's subgroups within all these groups.
It's too simple just to use one name.
They've lied about me.
They've come after me.
They've demonized me.
They've said I'm anti-Semitic.
They've said I'm racist.
They've said I want to get cops killed.
I mean, George Soros is a Jew.
And he's a Nazi collaborator who helped round up and ferret out and rob Jews.
He admits it.
He's proud of it.
He said he's not ashamed of it.
He, quote, survived.
The guy runs organizations dedicated to shutting down talk radio, internet freedom, and this show.
He gave $196 million.
With the U.S. government matching him and the Ford Foundation, the Ford Foundation is basically governmental.
That came out in Congress in the 70s and the church committees.
Anthony Sutton got the documents.
dan friesen
I can find no evidence of that.
jordan holmes
The Ford Foundation.
Right.
Notoriously developed by...
An anti-Semite!
dan friesen
Someone largely responsible for the dissemination of the Protocols of the Elders of Zion.
jordan holmes
Right!
dan friesen
Personally responsible for distributing hundreds of thousands of copies of an anti-Semitic fraud.
The Ford Foundation, Alex is saying that it came out in the church committee that it was like a government run and Anthony Sutton got these documents.
Anthony Sutton's written a number of books.
Right, right, right.
to him and the church committee and the Ford Foundation, and I came up with nothing.
jordan holmes
So he just made that one up whole cloth.
dan friesen
The church committee was about investigating the CIA and the FBI and the intelligence operations and spying and stuff in the aftermath of...
This was in the 60s.
jordan holmes
And, of course, whether or not to buy a new pulpit.
dan friesen
Absolutely.
I don't know.
I'm going to withhold judgment on this one, but my gut tells me he's just pulling at straws.
jordan holmes
Because...
If, like, all you needed, frankly, kind of at the end of this episode, all I need to know how I feel about Alex and his stance is just...
Play the little clip of him saying the word Jew.
dan friesen
George Soros is a Jew.
jordan holmes
And you're like, nope, you're, nope.
dan friesen
Well, it's really fascinating to me to hear him go from like, I'm so fucking sick and tired of everybody saying that I'm anti-Semitic.
Everybody just lies about me.
All these leftist Jewish organizations lie about me and call me racist.
George Soros is a Jew.
jordan holmes
And a Nazi.
dan friesen
And he's a Nazi.
And he's just completely lying about George Soros in a very directed way.
And again, this comes back to, I don't want to be defending a billionaire.
But I must, when there are these sorts of accusations.
Spurious and fraudulent accusations being leveled against him specifically, I think because he's Jewish.
But be that as it may.
George Soros is just one target of Alex Jones' bizarre financial anti-Semitism.
The other group we mentioned earlier, the Rothschilds.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
Let's get into this, and Alex is going to lie, and then I'll tell you the truth.
alex jones
You cannot just sit there and point at one group and say they're the problem.
It's more complex than that.
dan friesen
Fair.
alex jones
The Rothschilds are on record, at least one of the five arms of the family, financing Hitler.
You can look that up.
dan friesen
I did.
alex jones
But then some Rothschilds didn't get out of France and were killed by the Nazis.
There's been books written on it.
jordan holmes
Well, good for you.
dan friesen
This is deeply, deeply troubling to me.
For one reason, and that's not true.
jordan holmes
Also, George Soros killed the Rothschilds.
Isn't that where he's going for here?
dan friesen
I guess.
I don't know.
So there's no evidence of this, that the Rothschilds funded Hitler.
At all.
In fact, if you look into the actual history of it, in March 1938, within days of the Anschluss, squads of Nazi and Austrian museum personnel emptied the Rothschild brothers' Viennese palaces.
From Alphonse's residence, the plunderers took 3,444 items, and from Louis' mansion, Louis, Louis, who cares, an additional 919 pieces, plus 189 coins and medals.
Everything was meticulously inventoried with the most important works earmarked for Hitler's planned Führer Museum in Linz, Austria, the town of his birth.
Lesser pieces were directed to the Viennese museums, and others, mainly porcelains, were fenced at a state-owned auction house at Dorothium.
As the war proceeded, the collection was transferred from several locations outside Vienna, and by 1944 had been hidden in the Alt-Ausay salt mines near Salzburg, safe from Allied bombs.
The American 42nd Division captured the trove, blah, blah, blah.
Mix it around.
The Rothschild's business empire was passed down to ensuing generations until March 13, 1938, when Nazi Germans came in, and the family was pressured to sell its banking operation at a fraction of its real worth.
While other Rothschilds escaped the Nazis, Baron Louis was imprisoned for a year and only released after substantial ransom was paid by his family.
After Louis was allowed to leave the country, in March 1939, the Nazis placed the firm of S.M. von Rothschild Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
So one of the great myths about the Rothschilds is that they have, like, endless amounts of money.
We can't imagine how much money they have.
Because they had millions of dollars a hundred years ago or whatever.
And the reality is a lot of it got liquidated during the fucking Holocaust.
So they're not nearly the, like...
Sure, the family probably still has in the billions of dollars.
But the family is spread, like, through...
All sorts of marriages and kids and generations.
The power that the family wields is almost infinitesimal now.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Now, in researching this claim...
jordan holmes
This is, before you go any further, this is such an awful thing for Alex to do because every example he's giving...
Are Jews participating in the Jewish genocide?
dan friesen
Exactly.
jordan holmes
That is his whole point.
unidentified
Totally.
jordan holmes
It's just like if it's so close to him saying, like, well, they had it coming.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
Like, they were the cause of their own genocide.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
Even the most powerful Jews were the ones who were really perpetrating the genocide.
That way, I don't have to feel bad because a white person did it.
dan friesen
Well, it's the same thing with, like, trans people are to blame for their own suicide.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Or black families don't stick together, so that's why they're poor.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right.
dan friesen
Stuff like that.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
dan friesen
Blaming disenfranchised populations for things.
That society has hoisted upon them.
Yeah.
jordan holmes
And that way you assuage your own guilt.
dan friesen
White male-dominated society has hoisted upon them for the crime of being other.
Now, while I was researching this claim about the Rothschilds, I came upon something very interesting, and that is a 1995 article from the New York Times.
Let me read you the headline.
Dutchabank admits it helped Hitler confronting a dark past.
Dutch Bank actively aided the expropriation of Jewish businesses and helped Hitler consolidate control over Germany's neighbors between 1933 and 1945, according to a history of the bank to be published in March.
So, the Dutch Bank came out and said, yeah, we kind of...
So, this guy...
jordan holmes
Well, I mean, like, go back to...
Siemens made the ovens.
dan friesen
Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.
jordan holmes
Oh, are you going to get there?
dan friesen
So one of the prominent Jewish members of the board, Oscar Wasserman, was forced to resign in 1933.
The start of a long string of such resignations.
But George Salmson, successor to Mr. Wasserman, in a prophetic letter to the chairman of the Bank Supervisory Board, wrote, I fear we are embarking on an explicit, well-planned path towards the annihilation of all Jews in Germany.
Mr. Solmsson lambasted the passivity and complete lack of solidarity of the country's elite, most of whom had not yet become members of the Nazi Party.
While few of the bank's personnel joined the Nazi Party, In the end, Mr. James wrote, the guy who's writing the history of this stuff, Bankers, unlike generals, were largely powerless to decisively influence the course of history, but through their passivity, they also contributed to the horrors of the Holocaust.
Now, why is this important?
jordan holmes
Boy, it is so nice of them to say that bankers have no influence.
Isn't that interesting?
dan friesen
The bank histories?
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Who would have guessed that they had no influence?
They couldn't have changed anything.
You know, just...
Having all of the money that they need.
dan friesen
But as you see with the Rothschild situation, if you didn't play ball, the Nazis were just going to take over your bank.
I'm not saying that gets anyone off the hook, but in terms of being able to stop what was going on, I don't think the bankers really had that much control.
Now, their passivity, as it's very clearly said in there, their passivity added to the horrors, and they should be deeply ashamed that they didn't do anything.
jordan holmes
I find it hard to believe that the banks at that time would not have been able to wield enough financial power to curb a lot of that shit.
dan friesen
Maybe.
I don't know.
I don't know that either of us knows entirely.
jordan holmes
Well, I mean, imagine now banks divesting themselves from oil companies.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Climate change is immediately curbed.
dan friesen
Yeah, but that's totally different than the idea of climate change being an army that has authoritarian grasp on power in the country.
jordan holmes
Armies gotta have money, man.
dan friesen
No, I...
jordan holmes
Armies...
dan friesen
I understand that, but climate...
jordan holmes
Like, they are actively complicit.
dan friesen
Climate change and gas companies are not...
They don't have foot soldiers that will actively take over your bank.
In the same way that the Nazis did.
I understand what you're saying, and I agree with the point.
jordan holmes
It's not like they kept all their money in...
I mean, maybe they just had a big-ass vault.
dan friesen
Full of gold?
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
A bunch of Krugerrands?
jordan holmes
Yeah, like, what?
Are the Nazis going to go to branches?
Each individual branch and be like, hey, we're going to take 50 bucks from all of these.
Like, I don't know what the...
dan friesen
They have more than 50 bucks.
jordan holmes
I know.
dan friesen
But possibly...
Possibly they would.
unidentified
That's...
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's true.
I don't know.
dan friesen
It's a fascist takeover of the state and everything.
So, again, I want to be totally clear that I'm not letting any bank off the hook.
jordan holmes
I don't know.
I just hate banks.
dan friesen
That's fair.
jordan holmes
I think every bank executive is probably guilty of a lot of crimes.
dan friesen
So, little spoiler alert, that 1995 article made it very clear that even Dutch Bank is admitting that they actively helped Hitler in the Holocaust.
And this Business Insider article here is very interesting.
The headline, Donald Trump holds roughly $300 million in debt to Dutch Bank.
alex jones
Hmm.
dan friesen
I'm going to just leave that without comment.
unidentified
Well.
dan friesen
Anyway, in this next clip, Alex complains about how he's been wronged by Israel.
jordan holmes
How?
alex jones
And this is the experience I've had.
I know Israel's diverse, different political parties, different ideas.
I have a love-hate relationship with some of the people that are in Israel, some of the things that have been done to me for no reason.
There's a lot of bullying because Israel feels like Israel's right, so you better get 100% behind Israel or you're the enemy.
That's wrong.
And that's why Israel's lost a lot of support in the world.
That said, Israel is not the end-all, be-all, only thing on the planet.
And I don't mean by the Israelis having that view of themselves.
Everybody thinks they're the center of the universe wherever they live at.
That's what Texans think.
That's what Americans think.
That's what Germans think.
It's what Chinese think.
It's what Mexicans think.
That's just normal.
I'm talking about people outside of Israel and the Arabs.
dan friesen
I don't know.
I think he was just the only other country he could think of.
jordan holmes
Give three more examples.
dan friesen
But I don't think that that's how people think.
jordan holmes
No.
I don't think anybody thinks that.
dan friesen
I think that's how people who are indoctrinated into ways of thinking that are rampantly nationalistic.
jordan holmes
Generally anti-Semitic?
dan friesen
No, not even that, but just like nationalists think.
I don't have anything against America as a thing.
I like America.
I think we could do better about a lot of stuff, but I don't want to destroy America.
But at the same time, I don't think we're the most important thing in the world.
I think the world is the most important thing in the world.
jordan holmes
Probably.
dan friesen
And I think a lot of people in other countries think that way, too.
jordan holmes
I'm going to go with whales.
unidentified
I'm going to go with the animal or the part of Britain?
jordan holmes
Orcas.
No, not whales.
dan friesen
Oh, okay.
I thought you were maybe a Welsh extreme nationalist.
unidentified
I don't even know if there are any Welsh extreme nationalists.
dan friesen
Probably Alex.
jordan holmes
There would have to be, right?
dan friesen
Technically Alex.
He talks about how he's Welsh.
jordan holmes
That's true.
dan friesen
But look, I don't know.
We'll get back to this idea about nationalism here in a minute because Alex goes off on some stuff later.
But just to suffice for now, I don't think that's all.
jordan holmes
I think the rule is you can't be a nationalist if your words don't have vowels.
Isn't that how that works?
dan friesen
Welsh.
Oh, okay.
Sorry.
unidentified
All right.
Come on.
dan friesen
Quom.
That's a grassy hill.
unidentified
Quom.
dan friesen
Great Scrabble word for you people out there.
Q-W-M.
unidentified
Quom.
dan friesen
That shouldn't be a word, but it is.
Anyway, in this next clip, Alex Jones talks about how bad Palestinians are.
And then he complains a little bit about his own personal plight.
jordan holmes
That is exactly what he says.
I've seen more black people beat up white people than I've ever seen more white people.
Look, I've been beaten up by Israel more than Israel has been beaten up by me.
That's just true.
dan friesen
That's just a true thing.
This is not great.
alex jones
All these Arab countries won't let the Palestinians in, won't give them aid.
The Palestinians constantly try to overthrow whatever country they're in.
I'm not demonizing the Palestinians.
jordan holmes
What?
alex jones
I'm just saying they're used as a political football to manipulate everyone, and Israel is held to a higher standard.
No.
And it is a religion to hate Israel.
So I've got a lot of problems with Israel.
Some of the people in Israel, some of the political parties, some of the groups.
But at the same time, it's a paradox because I've never experienced more vitriolic hatred as I have from the anti-Israel crowd.
They will make stuff up.
They will exaggerate.
They will lie.
Everyone is a Jew.
I don't care if your last name's Jones, Richardson, Green, Johnson, Sanchez, Chin.
jordan holmes
Really thinking about Mexico.
alex jones
Everyone is a Jew.
The Jews are all powerful.
They're running everything.
I never had success.
I wasn't a good talk radio host.
I never borrowed a dime.
dan friesen
You have said multiple occasions you borrowed tens of thousands of dollars from your dad.
alex jones
But they claim I'm financed by secret Jewish cabals.
It's very frustrating to be included on all the Nazi websites out there and white supremacist websites.
dan friesen
I wonder why.
alex jones
Photoshopped in at Jewish events, literally.
Fake videos, you name it.
That I'm some Israeli agent.
Never been to Israel.
I do want to travel there.
It's amazing, I'm told, to see all that history.
I want to go to Syria.
That's got even more ruins and Roman stuff.
So I'm just sick of all the ignorance, basically.
And I'm tired of sitting here watching the anti-Israel crowd degenerate by the minute, and then Israel feeling like it's totally encircled, getting more and more out of control and all these nuclear weapons.
This is a dangerous situation.
I want prosperity.
dan friesen
Great.
I would say that if anyone...
It is like, if we had a high school yearbook and we're giving out superlatives, most likely to come down with Jerusalem Syndrome, Alex Jones.
He goes to Jerusalem, he's going to be, I am the Messiah.
jordan holmes
Oh man, that would not be good.
I just like, look, look.
Palestinians try to overthrow every country they're in.
I'm not trying to demonize Palestinians.
I'm just saying that all Palestinians try and destroy every country that they're in.
dan friesen
Now, they're by nature treasonous, but I'm not trying to disparage the Palestinians.
I'm not shitting on the Palestinians.
They are definitely against every country.
unidentified
Right.
No.
jordan holmes
Palestinians are, of course, evil and chaotic and monstrous by nature.
But, come on.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Also, aren't they just trying to...
Be Palestine?
dan friesen
We will get back to that in a minute, too.
A lot of this is going to come full circle.
jordan holmes
I don't think they're trying to overthrow Israel so much as live.
dan friesen
Yeah, we're going to get to this.
There's a very important point that Alex brings up in a little bit, and we'll get to it.
jordan holmes
I think the biggest problem I have right now is he's getting close to the territory of, like, who's a Jew?
Are you a Jew?
Is that guy a Jew?
As though that's a really important distinction to make.
dan friesen
Hold on to that until the next clip, because the next clip is fucking weird as shit.
jordan holmes
We're going to get into every anti-Semitic canard that we can today, aren't we?
dan friesen
But before we do that, I want to talk a little bit more about this complaint that Alex has about these anti-Semitic sites, these anti-Israel sites, saying that he's an Israeli agent.
jordan holmes
All of the people that he wants to be in government now?
dan friesen
Well, he sort of, I mean, he nurtures these sort of attacks.
I don't know exactly how to put it, but I think he relishes the idea that people make these attacks on him, because then criticism of him is seen as crazy.
You know what I'm saying?
Whenever half of the websites in the world say he works for Mossad and the other half say he works for the CIA, anything like that, anybody who has a legitimate criticism of him is like, hey, you know his rhetoric is really reminiscent of old anti-Semitic canards, and he lies all the time, and he keeps saying that he's in contact with intelligence agencies, and it's kind of weird.
I think everybody should pay attention to this.
Oh, also, one of the businesses he's running appears to be illegal.
You don't get any traction.
That's why memes about him are really successful.
Everyone wants to make fun of it.
Any, like, actual criticism of him is just lumped in with, like, oh, you're one of those crazies who thinks he works for Space Command.
jordan holmes
Well, not least of which, it's a, like, he has to love it because ideologically he agrees with everything else with those anti-Semitic, like, if you're talking about an anti-Israel website, wrapped up in all of that is...
All the other racism.
dan friesen
Well, it gives him anti-Semitic cover to a certain extent because the anti-Semites are attacking him.
unidentified
Right.
jordan holmes
But that allows him to distance himself from agreeing with everything that they have to say.
So he gets to be like, well, of course I'm not like Stormfront.
I don't hate Israel.
And it's like, no, but even if you don't hate Israel, you agree with everything else Stormfront says.
dan friesen
I don't agree with Stormfront because they attack me all the time.
Can't you see that?
We're different.
I don't agree with David Duke.
I had him on the show and we agreed about everything, but I pretended I disagreed with him.
So, like I said, in this next clip, we get into some weird...
Ethnic talk.
This is really weird.
It starts with him talking about how Israelis did testing, did like inethical testing on some Jewish populations that they had.
And it's a troubling history.
I think a lot of countries have that troubling history in their past.
No one gets a pass on it.
But where Alex goes from there makes me deeply uncomfortable.
jordan holmes
Okay.
alex jones
And by the way, Israel didn't get caught doing testing on Arabs.
They got caught testing on Jews.
jordan holmes
Again, Jews are responsible for everything that happens to Jews.
dan friesen
But also, in there, he's almost saying that if they had tested on Arabs, it would be no big deal.
Which is also, I don't like that at all.
alex jones
Sephardic Jews, which genetically are true, undisputed Jews.
jordan holmes
Why is that important?
alex jones
Proto-genetic group, pre-Arab, before African invasions of much of the Middle East.
Because that's what an Arab is, is part Anglo, part Asian, and part African.
That's just a fact.
That's what Arabs are, is a hybrid.
jordan holmes
What are you talking about?
dan friesen
I do not like any conversations that involve Jews and ethnic purity.
I don't like any of that.
That's not a good line to go down.
jordan holmes
Anytime he's getting into genetic makeup and I'm like...
Stop.
Stop.
dan friesen
Stop right there.
jordan holmes
Please.
Please don't do it.
dan friesen
These are true Jews.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I don't know.
dan friesen
Before the Africans.
unidentified
No.
jordan holmes
Africans invaded?
I don't like any of this.
dan friesen
Alex, calm down, calm down, calm down.
Then he ends that beginning.
There's more.
But he ends there with, like, that's what Arabs are.
They're a hybrid.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I don't like that either.
dan friesen
Stop.
Stop it.
He's not going to stop.
jordan holmes
Arabs.
Now, Arabs, they don't count because they're not ethnically pure.
No, I didn't mean to say...
Oh, boy.
dan friesen
Now, what I meant to say is they're a hybrid.
unidentified
Oh, shit.
Damn it.
jordan holmes
Oh, god damn.
What I meant to say is that they're lesser than Jews.
Fuck!
Jesus.
Okay.
alex jones
And if you look at Sephardic Jews, they have a genetic template that predates from bones they've dug up to about 6,000, 7,000 years ago in that region.
jordan holmes
When the world was created.
alex jones
Of groups pretty much out of Europe.
What is Europe today?
So you have this whole argument about Ashkenazi Jews and the anthropology, and they're not really Jews, because they're from what's Georgia today, or north of Georgia.
It's just, it's Europeans, ladies and gentlemen.
unidentified
What?
alex jones
And then you've got later permutations of Jews in Babylonian captivity, in Egyptian captivity, and other captivities.
And so you do have an Arab line of genetics in the Jews.
But that's who they are.
So when you get into this more ancient text claiming there's these lost tribes in Europe, that's because that's what's so ridiculous about.
dan friesen
First of all, he never finishes that thought.
I'm very curious what that thought was going to be.
jordan holmes
The lost tribes in Europe?
dan friesen
Yeah, but he doesn't explain that.
But hold on.
Let's finish the clip and then get back to this.
alex jones
About all this.
Is that Jews, original Jews, are just Europeans in the Middle East.
And then you've got...
unidentified
What?
alex jones
Just all of this idiocy.
jordan holmes
Wait, what?
alex jones
It is just pure, absolute idiocy.
And then the modern Jews are part Arab, so being anti-Semitic means being anti-Arab, too.
It's just all, the public is so ignorant about this, and the governments play us off against each other.
I'm going to give the number out, 800-259-9231.
jordan holmes
Wait, wait, wait.
Okay, so if I understand what he said correctly, all Jews are white people, but not now Jews.
Now Jews are both...
Arabs and white people?
Is that what he's trying to say?
What is he trying to say?
dan friesen
I don't know what he's trying to say, but what he should have said was nothing.
jordan holmes
Thanks, Mike Birbiglia.
dan friesen
The only thing that I can really take away from that clip is that whoever kicked in that music was late.
That going to break music should have come in much earlier.
I don't know.
I don't know enough about genetic fossil records and stuff like that because it doesn't really interest me.
unidentified
I don't want to know.
dan friesen
I think it's irrelevant.
jordan holmes
It's very irrelevant.
dan friesen
But I think once you're getting into this sort of discourse and you're acting like it means anything, I think you're already in...
Bad territory.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
And I don't know what point he's trying to make.
I think it is what you're saying, that these original Jews were from Europe, and then they got...
jordan holmes
They're white people, and then they got ruined by the Arabs.
I think that's what he's kind of saying right there.
dan friesen
He does talk about that a lot, about the idea that Greeks are only hairy and dark-haired because of Muslim invasions and stuff like that, which is like, hey, buddy...
Cut that out.
It's like, that kind of rhetoric is unnecessary.
jordan holmes
You know what's great?
Diversity in all things.
And then when you start getting to who's a real Jew and who's not a real Jew, then we get into real trouble.
dan friesen
Well, I mean, that's a conversation that I think Israel has, and I'm not thrilled with it.
jordan holmes
Not a big fan.
dan friesen
But it's also their conversation to have.
You know what I mean?
In the same way that, like...
I guess...
I don't know.
It makes me uncomfortable no matter what.
I guess...
I don't know.
You have to look at it from an ethnicity and a religion standpoint.
If you want to go with the religion, it's totally cool.
Because then you're like, if you want to be a part of the religion, here are the steps you take to get into it, or whatever.
But if you want to go with the ethnic version...
Nothing's good there.
Nothing is good there.
I'm trying to think of a way that it's like, yeah, I guess it makes sense to exclude people from your group.
jordan holmes
Oh, boy.
dan friesen
I don't know.
jordan holmes
I mean, I suppose...
Here's the weirdest part about this, is that as he is dancing, so now are we, in a certain sense, is because there's...
dan friesen
Because we're trying to make sense of what the fuck he's saying.
jordan holmes
Yeah, exactly.
And at the same time, it's like, I don't...
I don't want to be mistook, you know?
And it's very easy to say something about the Israel situation.
dan friesen
That's one of the reasons that this has been put off since October.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
It's difficult.
It's so hard to just wade into this and be like, ah!
I am right!
There's no easy win on this one.
dan friesen
No.
jordan holmes
Because if you want to talk about the religion and the ethnicity, to a certain extent, the ethnicity is built into the religion simply because they've always been fucked with.
Right.
Part of your religion, eventually, if everybody's trying to kill you, has to be like, well, if everybody's trying to kill us, we've got to stick together.
dan friesen
And Jews aren't the only population that has faced that sort of population pressure.
Anabaptists were slaughtered and driven out of many places in Europe.
And so there is ethnic...
It's not a perfect overlap, but Amish communities are generally of...
Similar ancestry and heritage.
And that's why they end up with conditions like maple syrup urea that don't exist in other communities.
That's just a fun example because I grew up Mennonite and I know a bunch of fucking Amish people and stuff.
And my buddies always used to bully me about whether my pee smelled like maple syrup.
So that's coming from my own pain as a child.
jordan holmes
Is that a curse, Dan?
Or is it a gift?
dan friesen
I mean, compared to other things your pee can smell like, it's a gift.
I don't know.
I think it has something to do with a breakdown in your kidneys or something.
But be that as it may, there are a bunch of populations that have gone through that sort of bottlenecking and what have you.
It's just that...
I don't know.
Anabaptists don't really have a state.
jordan holmes
Nope.
dan friesen
And I don't know.
That makes it much more complicated.
I don't know.
jordan holmes
Well, I mean, then you get into, you know, Sufi Muslims.
You go through, goddammit, all the names.
dan friesen
Any population that's been a victim of genocide.
Yeah, pretty much.
That's something that you're going to come to.
jordan holmes
The Sikhs, like, go all the way across the board, man.
It's just one of those things where, and it's also probably part of why it is purposefully hard to become a practicing Jew if you are not Jewish, if you are not born into that kind of religion.
You can't just start going to the synagogue and be like, I'm Jewish.
Like, that's not quite how that works.
dan friesen
We're going back to what I was talking about.
But I think there's a process of conversion for any religion.
If you want to go ahead and join a Christian church...
jordan holmes
Nah, you just kind of walk in.
dan friesen
You can.
You can play the wall a little bit.
But if you want to get more involved, you end up taking the sacrament.
You end up...
There's rituals that you can do on your own.
That you're supposed to do.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
Outside of, necessarily, the formal...
But if you want to become a member of the church, there's things you have to, like...
You have to say prayers and stuff, probably, with the minister.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I think what we've just come to is that religions are stupid.
dan friesen
I kind of agree, for the most part, but they give a lot of people a lot of great benefits, and so bless them for it.
I don't want to destroy religion, but a lot of it's kind of silly.
Yeah.
unidentified
Anyway...
jordan holmes
Annie whoozle.
dan friesen
I just realized that whenever I take a shower, I kind of end up with a little bit of a curly Q. I kind of, I have a Hasidic look.
jordan holmes
That's such a Jewish thing to do.
dan friesen
So anyway, in this next clip, Alex, boy, he just, he's all over the place.
alex jones
You know what, the anti-Semites worship Jews.
Boy, I think that's what it comes down to.
unidentified
That's a great start.
alex jones
I don't dislike the NFL, but I'm sick of that's all you hear about for four or five months out of the year.
And most men don't have a life.
They're just obsessed on the NFL all day and play fantasy football.
It's mentally ill.
And the same thing, I don't hate Israel, but man, I'm sick of it.
dan friesen
First of all...
jordan holmes
What?
dan friesen
I think Alex saw, like, two episodes of The League and thought that's how real people act.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
I think that's probably what he's basing that off of.
jordan holmes
Well, real people don't actually interact with Alex, so he has to kind of view the world through his little glass window.
dan friesen
I know a lot of people who are super into football, and they have a lot of other interests.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Anyway, and relating that to anti-Semitism is very bizarre.
But be that as it may, let's get back.
jordan holmes
And even that example is like...
dan friesen
He's trivializing me.
jordan holmes
Just stop talking about Israel.
I'm sick of you talking about it.
Go ahead and love the NFL or Israel or hate it, whatever.
Just never, ever speak about it.
dan friesen
Which is not dealing with the issue.
jordan holmes
No.
Certainly.
It's the exact opposite of it.
alex jones
I'm sick of hearing about it.
I'm sick of all the people on both sides all vitriolically feeling like they're on the right side when it's all a big manipulation.
dan friesen
By the globalists.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Who definitely aren't.
alex jones
That's what it comes down to.
You got Saudi Arabia financing anti-free speech initiatives in the U.S. You got Israel financing anti-free speech initiatives.
You got George Soros doing it.
You got left-wing, right-wing.
You got every special interest group out there trying to shut down free speech and trying to take our guns.
dan friesen
Show your work.
jordan holmes
Wait, wait, wait, wait.
dan friesen
Show your work.
jordan holmes
So Israel's trying to take our guns.
dan friesen
Right.
And Saudi Arabia and George Soros.
jordan holmes
And George Soros.
dan friesen
And everybody on the left.
Yes, they're trying to shut down free speech and take your guns.
unidentified
All right.
dan friesen
Now here's where this goes.
jordan holmes
So wait, but then wouldn't that, by definition, make all of his listeners go, well, then I hate Israel.
They're trying to take our guns.
dan friesen
It's just these globalist portions of Israel.
There's several great people there in Israel.
jordan holmes
Well, yeah, but they're trying to take our guns away, so I have to hate Israel.
dan friesen
It's so diverse, though.
It's a paradox.
jordan holmes
But yeah, but you just said they're trying to take our guns away.
dan friesen
Well, meh.
alex jones
So America, the big empire, can be their toy to go out and be a bully and take over the world for whoever, fill in the blank.
And here's the deal.
jordan holmes
We've been doing a great job by ourselves.
alex jones
I'm sick of paying for it, like Rand Paul says.
I don't want to give aid to China.
We give billions to them.
I don't want to give aid to Israel.
I don't want to give aid to Egypt.
I don't want to give aid to anybody, not Mexico, no one.
jordan holmes
I'm sick of it.
alex jones
I don't want to pay for Chinese and Mexican and German women to come here and have their babies paid for and be put on welfare and see it advertised on CNN how great it is to do it.
Yeah, I don't like illegals getting free in-state tuition and free scholarships, and then I've got to pay for it.
dan friesen
You don't.
alex jones
Yeah, you're right.
Not because I hate Latin Americans.
If I came down there and got everything free from them, they'd really be upset with me.
I'm sick of unfairness.
I'm sick of garbage.
dan friesen
So by his own sentence, he is saying that he is fucking sick of these others.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
That's what he's saying.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
I'm sick of everybody but white people.
dan friesen
Right, the whites are cool.
But all these other people coming in, I'm fucking sick of them.
jordan holmes
So if he's sick of unfairness, I assume he's for reparations, right?
Come on, I mean, it's really unfair that people have had all of their wealth destroyed and then have been systematically oppressed for hundreds of years.
It is unfair every day for them to live like they've been forced to.
I assume that we have to make, you know, reparations for that.
dan friesen
This is foolish.
jordan holmes
It's unfair.
dan friesen
So I want to talk a little bit about what Alex has to pay for.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
So undocumented immigrants do not qualify for welfare, food stamps, Medicaid, and most other public benefits.
Also, most of those programs require proof of legal immigration status, and under the 1996 welfare law, even legal immigrants cannot receive these benefits until they've been in the United States for more than five years.
But there are narrow exceptions.
According to PolitiFact, pregnant women and nursing mothers could be eligible for certain benefits under the Women Infants Children Program, WIC, which provides food and nutrition vouchers to low-income families if they have a child that was born in the United States.
Their child could also enroll in Medicaid, although the undocumented parents could not.
The parents can't get Medicaid.
They can't get any of those programs if they're illegally here.
But the child can, because we don't want children dying all over the place.
jordan holmes
Are they American?
dan friesen
I mean, technically, yeah.
They have birthright citizenship.
So be that as it may, I looked into it a little bit, and I found the statistics of WIC.
Which is the primary thing that these women who are coming over here in order to scam the government, that's the basic thing that they can get.
jordan holmes
Well, if there's one thing I know about government programs designed to help underprivileged people, it's that they are exceedingly well-funded and do everything that they can to...
Help everybody, right?
There's no...
dan friesen
Well, WIC started in 1974.
It was a program that started in 1974, and at that point, the average monthly food cost per person that was on the program was $15.68.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
That's not something that people are scamming as much as they are trying to not die.
jordan holmes
Monthly.
dan friesen
Monthly, $15.
So I looked at it a little bit deeper, and I found that for 2017, we have the statistics, the program has grown since 1974, but the amount that people get monthly under WIC...
jordan holmes
$16.78.
dan friesen
$41.24.
Now, if you adjust that for inflation going back to 1974, it's $8.76 compared to what it was in 1974.
Now, the interesting thing is that over the years, a number of enrollment has gone up quite a bit.
In 1974, when the program started, there was 88,000 people who were on the program.
As of 2017, it's 7,286,000.
Seems like a lot.
Seems like a whole ton.
But if you look at the numbers again, you have to look at the totality of the big picture.
The number was trending upwards for years, and then it hit its peak in 2009.
When the economy crashed.
When the stock market crashed, it reached its high of 9,122,000 enrollees in the program.
And since then, with the exception of the next year, the next year it went up like 50,000 people.
But since then...
It has trended downwards, and now there are approximately 2 million less people getting it than there were in 2009.
So Alex's idea that tons of people are coming over here and scamming the government in order to get $9 a month to get food, the equivalent of 1974, $9.
$40 even, who cares?
It's a pittance in terms of the things that we spend money on.
It's an embarrassing, disgusting use of him just lying about statistics, lying about the reality of the situation in order to punch downward on disenfranchised So they're coming to America.
in order to save the life of their child, and you're not going to be able to find a job immediately.
Now you've got a fucking baby.
Give the fucking person $35 a month to get food and formula for their kid.
It's nonsense.
The idea of...
This making him so mad.
It's also not a program that you can be on, I believe, more than five years.
jordan holmes
For fuck's sakes, how much have we paid for Trump to stay in his own fucking hotels?
Right, right, totally.
What is wrong with us?
We're monstrous.
dan friesen
I imagine...
jordan holmes
I'm against America.
dan friesen
I imagine within a couple of years we will eclipse the total amount we spend on WIC on Donald Trump's travel.
I imagine that will be the case.
jordan holmes
100%.
dan friesen
So you can't be on this program forever.
That's definitely the case.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Even if you do come over as a pregnant woman and give birth in the United States in order to have your kid get citizenship and you get on this sweet, sweet scam of WIC money, you can't get Medicare.
You can't get food stamps unless you come over legally.
And even then, you can't get it for five fucking years.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
There are safeguards in place about this.
It's just such a boogeyman.
jordan holmes
It's almost like people come over here because they want their children to have a better life.
Like just about every fucking immigrant that America has ever fucking had.
dan friesen
Yeah, more or less.
jordan holmes
That's the way the country fucking started.
dan friesen
Or let's even take it a step further.
They want their kid to have a life.
jordan holmes
Yeah!
dan friesen
Because if you're running away from some terrible situation in a war-torn country or something like that, or some place where, like, I mean, if you even look...
jordan holmes
Nah, refugees are terrorists, Dan.
dan friesen
But even if you look at some of these...
The child mortality rate in places like, let's say, Iraq is drastic.
It's something to the effect.
It's like 10%.
It's probably even higher than that.
jordan holmes
It's almost as high as ours.
Alright.
dan friesen
Ours is not great, but it's fine.
But like, it's not fine.
jordan holmes
Highest in the developed world.
dan friesen
But if you're coming from a place like that, it's not because you want to scam something.
It's because you're desperate.
And I don't feel like it's a great look for us.
jordan holmes
To demonize them?
dan friesen
With the rates of consumption we have and the wastes that we have as a country to be like, eh, we can't throw you a dime.
Sorry.
Sorry.
Get the fuck out of here.
Go die where you came from.
jordan holmes
Not least of which, chances are they're escaping where they live.
Probably because of something that we did to where they live.
dan friesen
There's a decent chance that there's a connection.
And then if you want to go even a step further, a 2006 report by the Institute on Taxation and Economic Policy, a left-leaning research organization, found that undocumented immigrants paid roughly $11 billion in state and local taxes in 2013.
Social Security Administration report also cited a $12 billion payroll tax amount tied to undocumented workers.
The Institute on Taxation and Economic Policy report also estimated the average income of an undocumented family at little more than $30,000, well below the country's median household income of around $54,000.
The report also said that the average tax rate for immigrants in the country So there's a massive tax base that we're getting from illegal undocumented immigrants who can't file for tax returns and shit like that.
They get screwed over with a much higher tax rate.
jordan holmes
Eat the rich.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
Eat the rich now.
dan friesen
But you understand?
There's a massive amount of money that's coming in.
If you look at this, the amount of money that's coming in.
jordan holmes
Trickle down works, Dan.
dan friesen
The amount of money that's coming in.
From undocumented immigrants here, let's say between $11 and $12 billion in payroll taxes and state and federal taxes.
If you look at WIC, which again is not only undocumented immigrants, it's also citizens.
jordan holmes
What is it?
$40?
So $280 million?
dan friesen
No, it's...
jordan holmes
Along those lines?
dan friesen
Because it's...
jordan holmes
Oh, no, monthly.
Okay.
dan friesen
It's $5.6 billion.
So that's under half of the amount of money that comes in from taxation of undocumented immigrants.
Like, this is...
We're playing with numbers a tiny bit here just to give an example, but this is pathetic.
jordan holmes
The point is, this is an embarrassment, and Alex Jones is the worst.
dan friesen
It's abject cruelty masquerading as a financial principle or something like that, and it makes me very sad.
unidentified
Anyway...
dan friesen
Now we come to the show where Alex takes some calls.
jordan holmes
Oh, no.
He's taking calls on Israel?
dan friesen
This first caller is...
jordan holmes
This is not going to go well.
dan friesen
This first caller is not great.
jordan holmes
Oh, boy.
alex jones
Let's go to your phone calls.
Jim in West Virginia, you're on the air.
Thanks for calling.
unidentified
Yeah, hi, Alex.
I watched the Excellency being introduced.
To me, it just seemed like a total dictatorship trying to preach to the U.S. Congress, and it really upsets me.
I think if it wasn't vice versa, that wouldn't happen.
To me, it is just a scam, but he never did mention what is the good deal.
What is he so upset about?
What seems to be aggravating him?
It was all poor Israel, Israel history, background.
And the things we know, we know the Holocaust.
Every year we're constantly reminded of it.
We never will be allowed to forget it.
jordan holmes
Oh boy.
Well, yeah.
dan friesen
I think the catchphrase is never forget.
jordan holmes
We should not forget genocides.
dan friesen
Yeah, to quote Elie Wiesel, I guess that was never again was Elie Wiesel's quote.
But you can't really have something never happen again if you don't remember it.
jordan holmes
Listen, A, the towers went down.
That was awful.
Never forget that.
The Holocaust?
unidentified
Eh.
dan friesen
Forget about it.
jordan holmes
It was like 70 years ago, Dan.
Move on.
dan friesen
Exactly.
jordan holmes
Move on.
Come on.
Come on.
unidentified
What is the deal that he was talking about?
Why is he so upset?
jordan holmes
What is the deal?
alex jones
Well, the deal is to let Iran have supposedly peaceful reactors that get inspected.
And not be able to build up enough reactors to actually produce a bomb for 10 years, and Iran's already said that it's not acceptable.
dan friesen
That's not true.
Iran said the deal was acceptable, and the deal was made.
jordan holmes
And hey, it'll be dismantled now.
dan friesen
Yeah, but everybody who doesn't have some sort of very weird vested interest in it, everybody who's looked at that deal said this is a really good deal.
What we did was give Iran back their own money.
jordan holmes
Right!
dan friesen
And they agreed to have oversight of their nuclear power-generating capabilities, which is something that we couldn't have had before.
The IAEE?
Yeah, that's really hard to say.
International Atomic Oversight, whatever, they would be able to go in and check if they were up to no good.
Left to their own devices.
jordan holmes
They would start making trouble in the neighborhood.
dan friesen
It's entirely possible.
I mean, not to say that they 100% would, but we would have no way of knowing.
And that deal allowed the international community to have oversight.
And if we do get rid of it, we don't get our money back.
And Iran just gets to do whatever they want.
So that's really stupid.
The deal was a very good deal.
jordan holmes
Which, to a certain extent, you know what?
I think it might be a smart idea to have nuclear weapons if you're Iran.
dan friesen
At this point, it's like a smoke them if you got them situation.
jordan holmes
Yeah, right?
dan friesen
Get to the point where no one can attack you quick.
jordan holmes
Exactly!
dan friesen
Because shit's about to pop off.
jordan holmes
I mean, for real, we're the ones who...
Gave them the authoritarian theocracy that they have now.
Of course they should have nuclear weapons.
We're going to fuck with them again.
dan friesen
Yeah, there's real trouble.
I don't know, man.
jordan holmes
Hey, foreign policy is easy to solve, Dan.
I think we fixed it.
dan friesen
Very much so.
unidentified
Yeah.
alex jones
And so I think Israel's issue is they're not going to let Iran become a nuclear power or Iraq and that they will attack like they did Iraq in 1980.
I forget which year it was.
And that they have a right to self-determination to do it.
And I think the issue is that Israel is kind of like the 51st state, but it's also, people don't like the fact that Israel has diplomatic immunity of a type, where Jews can commit crimes here in the U.S., then run back to Israel, and then Israel will protect them.
There's a lot of things about Israel that upset me, that I criticize, that are unfair, and that's why we talk about it.
The whole right of return thing.
dan friesen
Uh oh.
So...
jordan holmes
Oh boy!
dan friesen
This is where we get into a very bizarre idea that is a...
Deeply.
jordan holmes
What?
dan friesen
This is the cornerstone of very deeply anti-Semitic political thinking.
A lot of people believe that if you're a citizen of Israel, you get to run away to Israel if you commit a crime, and I'm over here, I'm on home base, you can't get me.
jordan holmes
People believe that shit?
dan friesen
Yeah, absolutely.
That's one of the reasons why...
jordan holmes
People believe that Die Hard 2 is a real thing.
dan friesen
Well, I mean, to some extent, diplomatic immunity is real, but it's not for every citizen of a country.
jordan holmes
Right, exactly.
dan friesen
It's for diplomats.
It's for, like, high-ranking political officials.
So here's the thing.
This is the reason why, when Alex Jones was complaining earlier about, like, all these anti-Semitic, anti-Israel sites accuse everybody of being Jewish, is because these people believe that all of these nefarious actors in the world are stirring up trouble, and they're secretly Jewish, and they're going to run away to Israel when the shit goes down, basically.
And this is based on the idea of the right of return.
Are you aware of the right of return?
jordan holmes
Yeah, within 30 to 45 days.
unidentified
No.
dan friesen
So, the Knesset in 1950, they decided that everybody who was of Jewish ethnicity was able to go to Israel and become an Israeli citizen.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
That was the right of return of the people who were sent out in the diaspora or whatever.
jordan holmes
Yeah, exactly.
Kibbutz and whatnot.
dan friesen
It created an incredibly problematic thing in that, like, oh, don't the Palestinians have a right to return as well?
Nah, not so much.
Not so much.
So they're denying the Palestinians their right to return while at the same time, if you were, let's say, Jewish, you could, if your mother was Jewish, you could, right now, go to Israel and become a citizen.
They would allow that.
unidentified
I could go to Palestine and become a Jewish citizen.
dan friesen
From what I understand, Israel has opened it up a little bit even to, like, if you have a maternal grandmother who was Jewish, you can now go.
Or if you convert to, like, Orthodox Judaism, you can go and become a citizen.
They're really expanding the right of return because they want to swell the population and have all the settlements.
unidentified
Of course.
But this idea...
dan friesen
It's crazy.
jordan holmes
Yes, this is fucking nuts.
dan friesen
The reality of the Right of Return stuff is pretty crazy, but I...
If you take the part of it where you're not respecting the Palestinians' right to return to their homelands, if you ignore that part, it makes total sense that a disrupted community after, like, the UN has given out this dictate to tons and tons of groups after, you know, like in Serbia, after the Serbian war in the 90s, people had the right of return to come back to their lands and stuff like that.
It happens over and over again after wars or terrible things like that.
So that isn't an affair.
But the way it's being applied is nefarious.
And then Alex's understanding of it as being like Jews have diplomatic immunity and they can commit crimes and run away to Israel is like that's the cornerstone of...
Political antisemitism.
So now Alex is coming in...
jordan holmes
That is bonkers.
dan friesen
So now Alex is coming in with some hot-cooked, old-timey, archaic antisemitism in terms of his beliefs about the Rothschilds and all the blood libel and poisoning the well narratives that we've documented over and over again in the past.
Now he's throwing in a fresh new antisemitism that he doesn't really discuss all that much, but he clearly believes is real.
jordan holmes
That is bananas.
dan friesen
Yeah, it's pretty crazy.
jordan holmes
People believe that dumb shit?
dan friesen
Yeah, it's in all kinds of weird anti-Semitic blogs you can find.
It's not true, though.
jordan holmes
Of course not!
Of course not!
dan friesen
Can you imagine the very idea of, like, you just commit some crimes, and then, like...
Israel's going to take the heat for you if you have murderers.
You just run away to Israel.
jordan holmes
America's going to be like, ooh, foiled again!
dan friesen
Curses!
Israel!
Yeah, that's real nonsense.
It's a dangerous thing that Alex Jones is allowing.
That sort of talk to go on on his show.
Because it does reinforce a lot of the...
Again, it's the cover that he gets from these neo-Nazi anti-Semitic sites attacking him.
He's allowed to perpetuate these sorts of ideas.
Anyway, let's get to another caller.
Because this one hits very close to home for me.
This is very interesting.
alex jones
What do you think of Netanyahu's speech and what is it distracting us from?
Alan in Washington, D.C. Go ahead.
unidentified
Hi, good morning.
Welcome.
I want to note that Chris Matthews on MSNBC right after the speech said, quote, too many people were smiling during the Netanyahu speech.
Just another example of a partisan division that they turned this into.
But the bigger picture, I think, is who is Barack Obama who's negotiating with Iran?
And I want to alert you of research I've done.
I've connected the Obama birth certificate cover-up in Hawaii.
To a eugenics think tank at the East-West Center.
I've connected the mother of the twins who founded Planned Parenthood to Alvin Onaka, who I've connected to the Population Association of America and the American Eugenics Society, both organizations that go back to Margaret Sanger.
And if you just type in in Google, Hawaii official who certified White House certificate of live birth and mother of twins who claim to remember.
President Obama's birth, both tied to U.S. government eugenics, they think.
alex jones
Send us a link to that.
We'd like to research that.
dan friesen
He's going to look into it.
He's going to look into it and report it if it's true.
jordan holmes
Do you think Google has that on autofill?
Can you just type in the first part of that and it'll fill in the rest for you?
dan friesen
Did you mean?
Yeah, probably.
jordan holmes
Showing results for you're a fucking lunatic.
dan friesen
So at the end there, the caller even got back to what he was talking about, this eugenics think tank in Honolulu called the East-West Center.
You know what's fun?
My dad had a three-year fellowship at the East-West Center.
I spent a lot of time at the East-West Center when I was a kid.
jordan holmes
Well, obviously, Obama's a Jew then, right?
dan friesen
So my dad...
jordan holmes
Now that's a fun new conspiracy there.
Obama is not a secret Muslim, Dan.
That's crazy.
He's a secret Jew!
dan friesen
So, my dad got his doctorate at Harvard in religious studies and...
His emphasis is like revelation and biblical Hebrew and stuff like that.
But after that, he got a three-year fellowship at the East-West Center in Honolulu.
And that's why we lived in Hawaii when I was growing up.
And it's interesting because you look into the East-West Center, first of all, not a eugenics operation.
It's mostly about the connections between the Eastern and Western worlds and trying to find solutions in terms of matching cultures up.
jordan holmes
Sounds like eugenics to me.
dan friesen
Helping people understand each other.
I'm going to read the abstract of one of my dad's publications from the time that he was at the East-West Center.
It's called Ancestors in Post-Contact Religion, Roots, Ruptures, and Modernity's Memory.
jordan holmes
Sounds like he stole that from Margaret Sanger.
dan friesen
Actually, this was published later, but it's from research that he was conducting at his time at the East-West Center.
An outgrowth of Dialogue of Civilizations 1992 conference on ancestors and spirituality.
This volume addresses two facets common to our human experience.
We are all descendants.
We all have ancestors who make powerful claims on our lives.
And we live in the aftermath of contact between European-based cultures and other civilizations.
It's now clear that native religions are alive and adapting in the contemporary world, just as all religions have done in all eras.
The phenomenon of ancestors is common to all humans, but while prominent in most indigenous traditions, it's been suppressed in Western cultures.
This volume articulates crucial issues in the study of post-contact religion through the themes of ancestral ordering of the world, intense personal attachments to the world, and the world.
Now, you know what's interesting about that?
jordan holmes
You just did some buzz marketing?
dan friesen
No.
Alex would love that.
It's talking about ancestral memory!
Connection to your ancestors.
unidentified
It's talking about how the West has been disrupted from connection to our ancestors in a way that indigenous cultures haven't.
dan friesen
Alex should love that.
I'm going to send him a copy.
unidentified
All right.
dan friesen
I just think that's really funny.
Admittedly, I was, you know, around the age of 10 at the time.
I couldn't have smelled out a CIA operation if my life depended on it.
Hey, Dad!
jordan holmes
Hey!
dan friesen
Dad?
jordan holmes
You eugenicist?
dan friesen
Ah, busted.
So anyway, we're going to take a quick break with this next clip where Alex just talks about how the globalists hate people with weapons.
alex jones
Over the weekend.
The Statesman, USA Today, New York Times, the Austin Chronicle, I turn on television, bad cops, bad cops, cops are bad, cops are bad, cops are gonna rob you, cops are gonna kill you, cops are gonna, cops are gonna...
dan friesen
Alex talks about how cops are gonna rob you all the time.
He's very against eminent domain, he's very against, uh...
The seizures that you can make, police can make if they suspect you of a crime, stuff like that.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that shit's bananas.
dan friesen
Civil asset forfeiture.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that should be super illegal.
dan friesen
So Alex complains about cops robbing you quite a bit.
I don't know what he's complaining about.
alex jones
And as much as I don't like some thug Yosemite Sam cop in a power trip telling me I can't videotape a demonstration.
dan friesen
Real quick, was there somebody Sam a cop?
I don't know if he was.
I don't think he had a badge.
jordan holmes
No, Yosemite Sam was not a cop.
dan friesen
Wasn't he like a minor?
jordan holmes
I think he was just fucking...
Yeah, I think he was a minor.
dan friesen
Was he a prospector of some sort?
jordan holmes
Yeah, something along those lines.
dan friesen
I don't think he was a cop.
alex jones
...threatening me.
I get in their face and tell them I'm going to sue them.
Don't violate my First Amendment.
But I'm against that person violating my rights and their rights.
I am not going to just sit here and get manipulated into a civil war that's focused at the police.
The globalists hate veterans.
They hate people trying to use weapons.
They hate local government.
They hate the police.
Everything they do shows it.
And George Soros, just like he funded the Internet takeover, funded the anti-cop movement.
And I will not go along with that piece of trash.
And I see through everything these people are doing.
And I'm telling you, I just got chills.
I really did.
We are in so much peril right now.
I mean, the enemy is moving on every front.
And you can see their battle plan all over the place.
We need to reform our legislatures.
We need to reform our police.
Everything bad.
I'm talking 95% of the bad stuff the cops are doing is federal grants.
Checkpoints, federal grants.
Black uniforms, tasers, instant shooting, no hesitation training, demonization of the patriots.
It's all the globalists that have occupied the federal government trying to get the police to be basically their henchmen.
dan friesen
So, a couple things.
No.
Checkpoints, generally speaking, are because they don't have any money and they're trying to boost quotas and trying to write piss-ant tickets and shit like that.
That's not the feds coming down and being like, hey, make more checkpoints.
We need to pay our budgets and the feds are not giving us enough money.
Beyond that, I think everyone has tasers.
I don't know exactly what he's talking about.
And generally speaking, it's not the federal police or the federal authorities who are coming in and teaching people, hey, go ahead and shoot people.
It's the local cops end up shooting people, and then the feds come in and be like, no.
jordan holmes
Don't shoot people!
dan friesen
We gotta deal with this.
jordan holmes
Right.
There's a reason that the DOJ investigates these cops.
Well, and not least of which, the federal government doesn't give these cops all of this militarized bullshit.
The cops buy it from them.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
Which should be illegal.
dan friesen
And then the other piece, he's talking about demonizing the patriots.
You need to be very careful, because what they're talking about, the feds, are sovereign citizens.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
If you want to lump your shit in with them, then you're going to have to take on what they do.
And what they do is kill cops.
For all his talk about, like...
You know, Black Lives Matter being all about cop killing and what have you.
Break down some stats on the number of attacks on police that are done by sovereign citizens.
The number is much higher.
And so when the feds are like, hey, you've got to be careful about these sovereign citizens.
They are very wild and they don't think that the government exists.
They don't think you have any authority and they also don't carry ID.
jordan holmes
Also, they don't think well.
dan friesen
They have guns.
And they use them.
So if the federal authorities want to come in and teach people how to de-escalate those situations, I think that's probably a good idea.
Also, I'm thrilled to report that Yosemite Sam is generally depicted as a prospector, outlaw, pirate, or cowboy.
He's not a cop.
jordan holmes
He was a pirate one time?
dan friesen
Apparently he did some time as a pirate.
jordan holmes
I want that.
dan friesen
So, Jordan.
In this next clip, Alex Jones is having a conversation with one climate expert, Lord Monckton.
He comes in to talk for a little bit.
They do talk about the climate change stuff, but I've cut that out because it's stupid.
And here's just a really dumb clip where they talk about Muslims.
jordan holmes
No.
alex jones
In closing on the subject, why won't the feminists that say a man wearing pants hurts women or that all sex between a man and a woman is rape, literally...
Who says that?
Why aren't they upset when radical Islamists sexually mutilate women or cut their heads off or kill Christians or put little girls into sex slavery?
Why would the left, is radical Islam so sexy and chic?
If you go to a leftist meeting, there are folks there just fawning after it.
It's so sexy to be in a jihad slave pit.
unidentified
This has always been the way that the media and the left are by instinct not democratic but totalitarian.
And totalitarians will always tend to stand together and think as one.
dan friesen
Great.
jordan holmes
That voice...
dan friesen
Tricks Alex Jones.
jordan holmes
...saying anything infuriates me.
dan friesen
Yeah, yeah, it's bad.
jordan holmes
The problem is, they're all totalitarians.
Just by talking, Lord Moncton makes me angry.
dan friesen
One of the things that Alex really...
jordan holmes
That posh fucking bitch.
dan friesen
One of the things that Alex really never takes into consideration is that, like...
Or he knows this, but he never announces it.
It's like, Lord Moncton was a huge player in UKIP.
Like, he's a really big part of the UK Independence Party.
jordan holmes
Really?
dan friesen
Yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
I could never have guessed that.
dan friesen
Yeah, I think he was deputy in charge of it to, like, Farage for a time.
But I want to tell you a little bit more about Lord Moncton, because let's ignore that...
Dumb bullshit.
I think we can dismiss it by saying that there are feminist organizations and people on the left who are actually working against the things you're complaining about while you just score points pretending no one is working against them.
But just some fun things I learned about Lord Monkton recently.
Lord Moncton erroneously claims to be a co-recipient of the Nobel Peace Prize with Al Gore and the IPCC because he claims he sent them a letter pointing out something that needed to be fixed in a draft of their submission for the Nobel Peace Prize.
jordan holmes
So he earned the Nobel Peace Prize along with them.
dan friesen
Yes, absolutely.
jordan holmes
Gotcha.
dan friesen
This is not true.
He has said it's a joke when asked about it, but it is still in his bio.
One time, back in 2012, at the UN Climate Talks in Qatar, he impersonated a Burmese delegate to crash the event and say that climate change isn't happening.
He was thrown out and banned for life.
unidentified
Good.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So he also claimed that Margaret Thatcher spiked...
jordan holmes
How did he try and...
Do you think he tried to do an accent?
dan friesen
Oh, yeah.
jordan holmes
Do you think he tried to do...
dan friesen
I actually watched the video of it.
He says, like, As-salamu alaykum.
jordan holmes
Oh, no!
Did he try and call it Mayanmari still?
dan friesen
I don't know.
jordan holmes
It sounds like something that an Oxbridge fuck like he would.
dan friesen
He might have.
He also advocated that Margaret Thatcher spike the Argentines water with mild bacillus so that the UK would have an easy win in the Falklands War.
This would be a huge violation of the 1972 Biological Weapons Convention.
He's also advocated for outlawing portions of the Quran.
And he's claimed that he has a miracle cure that can handle pretty much everything.
AIDS, HIV, the common cold, herpes, viruses, everything.
jordan holmes
In his defense, that does sound like something Thatcher would do.
dan friesen
He has created this miracle cure, and he's applied for a patent for it every year from 2008 to 2013, at least.
Probably since then, too.
But he lets the patent lapse every year and then reapplies, so he never has to prove that it's an actual thing.
And then he scams people with it.
Also, Moncton, Lord Moncton, was a chief policy advisor of the Science and Public Policy Institute, a think tank operated by the Frontiers of Freedom Foundation.
For years, where the data is available between 2002 and 2007, ExxonMobil gave Frontiers of Freedom Foundation over $1 million.
unidentified
Huh.
dan friesen
Interesting that he is against climate change.
Also, where is this?
This is really funny.
He claims that he's a member of the House of Lords.
jordan holmes
Is that why he calls himself Lord Monctom?
dan friesen
Yeah, but he technically did inherit the title from somebody, but he claims that he's a member of the House of Lords, but the House of Lords sent him a cease and desist letter telling him to stop telling people that he was a member of the House.
They went to the extent that they posted the cease and desist letter on the Parliament's website.
jordan holmes
That's fucking awesome.
dan friesen
Just so everybody can see it and be like, he is not with us.
Lord Moncton is a consistent scam artist.
I learned all this stuff.
unidentified
If the House of Lords doesn't want you, you've got to be really bad.
jordan holmes
Because they're all piles of shit.
dan friesen
Well, like in the last episode, we were learning about Roger Ver's history of scamming people.
And again, now Lord Moncton has come up and we learn about his history of scamming people.
Everybody Alex Jones has on is a con artist.
They're all just people who can't go anywhere else.
No one will have them because they've burned all their bridges.
Now, in this next clip, you asked earlier, how's Alex going to deal with the fact that he can't side with Obama?
Here's how he does it.
alex jones
A lot of these calls are about Iran, Israel.
I mean, if Israel hits Iran, it is going to be a big deal.
I agree.
I'm just having trouble here because I'm not going to side with Obama.
Everything Obama does is bad.
And then to see Obama on the surface snubbing Israel, there's just major stuff afoot.
Major stuff's going on.
You can see that on every front.
The power grabs.
It's all over the top.
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dan friesen
Great.
You were unfazed by that.
jordan holmes
No, that one I saw coming to my way.
My hackles have been raised, because we haven't heard an ad pivot yet, and I was like, when's it fucking coming?
dan friesen
Because he's too confused by where to land, and then also he's going on these weird diatribes about ethnic origins and shit.
So he's like, I don't have time to plug.
jordan holmes
Isn't that such a perfect summation of how the right views Obama as everything he does is bad?
Doesn't matter.
dan friesen
Doesn't matter.
jordan holmes
There is no possible way to compromise, to respect, to anything.
Everything he does is bad.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Which is insane.
dan friesen
And it does feel like, and I don't think I can prove this.
But it feels like they're working backwards.
You know what I'm saying?
Like, they started with this, we can't agree on anything.
jordan holmes
Right.
And so then they have positions.
dan friesen
Well, then they filled in the blanks, and Alex is really great at this.
Like, he's justified not agreeing with him by being like, well, of course it's because he has a fake dad who's a socialist spy for the Soviets who's, you know, indoctrinated him in cultural Marxism.
jordan holmes
And he's a Jew.
dan friesen
He's a Jew, but also trying to...
You create a caliphate here so he can take over Islamic rule, reign in the United States.
So he's worked backwards to try and justify the never agreeing as opposed to being like, maybe a lot of these con men I keep talking to are wrong.
All of my guests are con men and psych warfare guys.
jordan holmes
Yeah, but Obama's evil.
dan friesen
Or just straight up crazy.
Some of them, oh God, some of these dicks.
Anyway, we get to another caller now.
And this caller is interesting.
Not very interesting, but they have a twang.
unidentified
And looking at the Six Days War after they established their state, I mean, to my eyes, that was just a godsend.
I mean, God-induced.
alex jones
You're talking about providence.
jordan holmes
Like the Jewish God?
unidentified
Most definitely.
I mean, they were surrounded then, and look what they accomplished by themselves.
jordan holmes
Did not do it by themselves.
unidentified
That's what I think.
alex jones
Well, that's right, and that's why people say...
You know, go in and take over Israel, hand over to people.
It's not gonna happen.
They have nuclear weapons.
And they've got providence.
We'll be right back.
Stay with us.
jordan holmes
Yes.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
No, no, no.
It's important to have both of those things.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
Sure, nuclear weapons are great.
But if you don't have the providence of the Christian God, not Yahweh, because we're against that shit.
dan friesen
The Tetragrammaton.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Don't even say Yahweh.
jordan holmes
God.
dan friesen
So now we get back.
jordan holmes
So fucking stupid.
dan friesen
This is where I wanted to get back to the nationalism.
jordan holmes
They won the six-day war without any help?
dan friesen
No one helped.
jordan holmes
Without any help?
unidentified
No one helped.
jordan holmes
Are you kidding?
dan friesen
No one helped.
jordan holmes
They didn't have the most advanced military technology that we gave them.
dan friesen
No idea what we're talking about.
jordan holmes
Couldn't possibly have had any help.
Are you shitting me?
dan friesen
No idea.
jordan holmes
They were fighting people on horseback.
Providence.
dan friesen
Providence.
jordan holmes
Oh, it was Providence.
unidentified
You're right.
dan friesen
So, I want to get back to this, because Alex earlier was talking about how everybody views the world as, like, we're the center of it, which is this weird nationalism.
And now he's going in and saying that Israel has Providence, which is divine right.
Right.
jordan holmes
But from the Christian God.
dan friesen
And so I wanted to read a little bit here from something that Howard Zinn wrote in 2005 in an essay called The Scourge of Nationalism.
I think it's very pointed, and I think it's important.
Our citizenry has been brought up to see our nation as different from others, an exception in the world, uniquely moral, expanding into other lands in order to bring civilization, liberty, democracy.
That self-deception started early.
When the first English settlers moved into Indian land in Massachusetts Bay and were resisted, the violence escalated into war with the Peacote Indians.
The killing of Indians was seen as approved by God, the taking of land as commandment.
The Puritans cited one of the Psalms which says, The heathen for thine inheritance, and the uttermost parts of earth for thy possession.
When the English set fire to a Peacote village and massacred men, women, and children, the Puritan theologian Cotton Mather said, it was supposed that no less than 600 Peacote souls were brought down to hell that day.
It was our manifest destiny to overspread the continent allotted by Providence, an American journalist declared on the eve of the Mexican War.
After the invasion of Mexico began, the New York Herald announced, quote, we believe it's part of our destiny to civilize that beautiful country.
It was always supposedly for benign purposes that our country went to war.
We invaded Cuba in 1898 to liberate the Cubans and went to war in the Philippines shortly after, as President McKinley put it, to civilize and Christianize the Filipino people.
As our armies were committing massacres in the Philippines, at least 600,000 Filipinos died in a few years of conflict.
Elihu Root, our Secretary of War, was saying, the American soldier is different from the other soldiers of all other countries since the war began.
He is the advance guard of liberty and justice, of law and order, of peace and happiness.
jordan holmes
Nothing says liberty like massacre.
dan friesen
Nationalism is given a special virulence when it's blessed by providence.
That's the point I wanted to really drive home.
jordan holmes
Hey, God says we're the best.
dan friesen
Whenever you mix those two things together, which Alex Jones does all the time, you get into a really murky territory where you're not only like, I'm the best, it's God says I'm the best.
And that's a fucked up position to put yourself in because there's other countries in the world.
jordan holmes
Hey, nah.
Nah.
Nope.
There aren't even other people.
And if there are...
And they don't believe in God?
Well, they're not protected by providence.
dan friesen
Well, Israel has providence, but he also is saying that they're the 51st state.
jordan holmes
God loves nothing.
If there's one thing I know about Jesus, it's that one, he was a secret Muslim, and two, he loved massacres.
dan friesen
Totally.
jordan holmes
Huge thing.
Can they just not call themselves Christians?
Like, I think it'd be fine if they called themselves weird, biblical literalists.
Or maybe Old Testament motherfuckers.
Or, oh, no, no, no.
Fucking assholes.
That's what they should call themselves.
dan friesen
Seems most fitting.
So it's kind of ironic that Alex goes to break with that and then comes back from break a little bit later with this.
alex jones
It's really a different type of talk radio.
We pioneered simulcasting television, not just a webcam.
We neurotically show video clips, news articles, legislation, documents to back up our claims.
unidentified
Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha.
Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha.
alex jones
We have a wide spectrum of guests on who don't even ideologically agree with each other 90%.
unidentified
Or 80%.
alex jones
But who genuinely want freedom and have shown their experts in their field.
dan friesen
Like David Duke.
And all seem to be angry white men.
With a couple exceptions.
jordan holmes
Sent me a buttercup of poop.
dan friesen
Charlotte Isserbeat.
There's a couple of women.
alex jones
We have a real discussion, a real debate.
jordan holmes
$25 to your postcard, by the way.
alex jones
And if you look at how the Democratic Party especially attacks families, attacks anybody who's good, tries to de-industrialize the country, they really want us on our knees so they can then dictate the terms of our surrender.
They just hate this country because we were a Christian nation.
We were a free market nation.
If they bring us down, they have the whole world.
dan friesen
Alex can't prove that.
He says he documents everything.
He has, like, we've got this broadcast like this so we can compulsively put up documents and all this.
jordan holmes
Neurotically.
dan friesen
Neurotically.
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
He can't even prove any of his claims.
And I watch this shit.
Like, we're...
Primarily an audio medium, but I watch the fucking things.
Whenever they flash stuff up on screen, it's just a Wikipedia page.
And if you want to talk about...
jordan holmes
Do they zoom in so you can read it?
dan friesen
I can't wait till we do this endgame thing, because I can't wait to explain to you and our listeners just how bad Alex Jones' bibliography is.
In terms of citing sources for the claims that he makes, holy shit.
It wouldn't fly in a junior high class.
Quite frankly, if it were an essay.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
So the idea that he's like, oh, we neurotically document everything with all this court...
Total bullshit.
Total bullshit.
So at this point, he has a guy named Joel Gilbert.
He's a documentarian.
And I believe he's the guy who made Dreams of My Real Father, which is the documentary in heavy quotes.
jordan holmes
Oh, that one's about Obama.
dan friesen
Yeah, his real dad is Frank Marshall Davis, a Soviet propagandist pornographer.
jordan holmes
Also Jewish.
dan friesen
And secretly a Muslim.
Yep.
I mean, look, I've watched part of the documentary.
I just turned it off because I was very bored.
But, like, I find it to be troubling.
jordan holmes
Why, Dan?
dan friesen
I just think...
When you hear these people talk about why they think Frank Marshall Davis is his dad, it really makes me uncomfortable.
Because they talk about, like, Obama's dad doesn't look like him, but he looks a lot like Frank Marshall Davis.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
And you're like, this feels real weird.
Because I don't really...
I think Obama does...
Have resemblance to his dad.
jordan holmes
I don't...
I don't care!
unidentified
Right, but I mean, even that argument seems racially...
jordan holmes
Exactly!
dan friesen
And I just...
I don't even want to engage with that.
And then the only other evidence...
jordan holmes
Nicolas Cage kind of looks like a pineapple now.
I don't think his dad was a pineapple.
dan friesen
One of the Coppolas was a pineapple?
jordan holmes
Yeah, exactly!
dan friesen
One of the other things is, like, all of the evidence that they bring forth is just, like, all this circumstantial bullshit about, like, his mom was friends with Frank Marshall Davis.
Who cares?
Nothing is concrete.
It makes me very uncomfortable.
And so this guy, this Joel Gilbert, has made a new documentary that he's pimping, and it's called There's No Place Like Utopia, and about how all of Obama's promises and all of the left's promises are they want to tell you that there's a utopia that they're going to provide, and it ain't coming.
jordan holmes
I thought it was about how Frank Marshall Davis was Judy Garland's dad as well.
dan friesen
That's the next documentary.
That's forthcoming.
Anyway, here we go.
jordan holmes
No place like the dreams of my father.
alex jones
What I've found whenever I've been around socialist and communist at events over the decades, I've been around a lot of them at all sorts of behind-the-scenes democratic conventions.
They're really like criminal bank robber types, like felon types I've been around before that are really creepy and have bad will towards people.
And behind the scenes, they'll go, listen.
When we take over, we're going to kill everybody.
We want blood.
They really are demonic villains.
unidentified
But then in the service, it's like, I'm liberal.
alex jones
I mean, they are just so sick.
joel gilbert
The entire program of progressivism is based on disinformation.
unidentified
And that's what the Democrat Party and the White House engages in today.
dan friesen
It said the unemployment is 5%.
There's voter suppression.
A completely made-up story.
Bullshit.
That is a real, that's a fun thing to say when, you know, I mean, all the studies have been done, shown ridiculous gerrymandering.
jordan holmes
I know you are, but what am I?
dan friesen
People being stricken from voter rolls.
jordan holmes
I know you are, but what am I?
dan friesen
Just because their name is the same as someone who's committed a felony, that sort of thing.
There's a really interesting thing that you can do, and that is you can look into the...
jordan holmes
Also, felons should have the right to vote.
dan friesen
I think you get into a different argument about non-violent felons, especially.
I think violent felons, maybe.
Murderers, maybe.
You don't get a vote.
I don't know.
jordan holmes
I think you can murder somebody and still have a relevant opinion on the minimum alternative income tax.
dan friesen
I agree that there are crazier people who have not murdered than some people who have murdered.
But I don't know.
I don't know.
jordan holmes
I would rather O.J. Simpson vote than Alex Jones.
dan friesen
So Gilbert here is talking about disinformation on a disinformation broadcast, which is fun.
But if you want to get into real information, you can look at the entirety of Obama's presidency.
Because it's over.
It's over now.
jordan holmes
Oh, you can look at all of it, can't you?
dan friesen
And you can look at what happened under his...
Presidency.
jordan holmes
They took our guns.
dan friesen
Well, so if President Obama had been able to better address Americans' widespread persistent economic anxiety, Donald Trump might not be celebrating his inauguration today.
jordan holmes
Almost certainly.
dan friesen
But anyone with enough money to invest in the stock market had plenty to celebrate under the outgoing president.
U.S. stocks rose an average of 12% a year during Obama's two terms, according to S&P Global.
This is an article out of Fortune magazine.
That ranks Obama third among the 12 men who have served as president since World War II based on the performance of the S&P 500.
Only Bill Clinton...
Under whom stocks rose 14.9% a year over eight years.
And the late Gerald Ford, 18.6% annualized during his 29 months, because he's only in office 29 months, presided over better markets.
jordan holmes
Ford doesn't count.
dan friesen
No, but so...
jordan holmes
Ford doesn't count.
dan friesen
Bill Clinton, Obama.
Right.
The two best in terms of the stock market.
Now, we don't need to talk about all the, you know, that's not really a reflection of the actual economy.
unidentified
I know.
jordan holmes
I was restrained.
I didn't say anything.
dan friesen
I know.
But you want to look at even more numbers.
This is out of Fact Check.
The economy gained a net 11.5 million jobs in Obama's eight years.
The unemployment rate dropped to below historical norms.
Average weekly earnings for all workers were up 4.1% after inflation.
The gain was 3.7% for just production and non-supervisory employees.
After-tax, corporate profits also set records, as did stock prices.
The S&P 500 index rose 166%.
The number of people lacking health care insurance dropped by 15 million.
Premiums rose, but more slowly than they were before.
When Alex wants to play this cheap fucking game about how premiums rose during Obama's administration, I believe it was something to the tune of like 46%.
They rose 90% during George W. Bush's term.
The only thing that you really end up with that's kind of like negative stuff for Alex is that home prices rose and home ownership rate dropped, which is...
Kind of because in 2009 that was a big part of why the economy tanked.
And we're still in a recovery in terms of that, which may be coming, maybe not.
jordan holmes
Almost certainly won't happen.
dan friesen
Also, illegal immigration declined during Obama's eight years.
35% fewer people were caught trying to enter the U.S. from Mexico during that time.
Also, Alex Jones should be thrilled.
Production of handguns rose 192% to a record level.
jordan holmes
Well, a black man was president.
You've got to buy as many guns as you can.
dan friesen
The murder rate dropped to the lowest on record in 2014, then rose slightly and finished around the same rate as when Obama took office.
jordan holmes
Well, a black man was president.
You've got to conserve those bullets.
dan friesen
I guess.
jordan holmes
You might need them.
dan friesen
So like all of the stuff that he's talking about, all of this misinformation he's saying is misinformation.
The cold hard facts are the standards by which they measure things, which I don't necessarily agree are all the real things we should be basing all of our measurements on, were so much better thanks to the policies that Obama put forth.
unidentified
Right.
But billionaires didn't get as big of a tax break.
dan friesen
Yeah, that's...
jordan holmes
So you gotta get a billionaire back in office, man.
dan friesen
Yeah, I guess so.
So anyway...
jordan holmes
It's so...
It's so disappointing.
Like, I don't even...
dan friesen
I'm just glad Alex Jones documents all his claims.
I'm just glad that he has guys on saying all this bullshit that's not true.
jordan holmes
It's just such a...
If you repeat it loud enough, dumb people think it's true.
dan friesen
Totally.
jordan holmes
It's so frustrating.
dan friesen
I think Hitler had a quote about that.
Huh.
Anyway, another clip from Joel Gilbert here.
It's a whole lot of hot bullshit.
joel gilbert
So the Obama agenda, unfortunately, according to, from Obama's point of view, is unfolding very, very successfully.
He's divided the country along economic lines.
alex jones
I agree.
Obama has been a devastatingly successful globalist socialist.
And then you've got the big money banks funding him, thinking that once there's a tyranny, everybody's fighting for the Ring of Mordor.
All these different special interest groups.
They're all supporting tyranny because they think they're going to get greater power out of it, when instead it's destroying stability and destroying a future for humanity.
I mean, it's so sick.
joel gilbert
Unfortunately, people don't realize that the utopia on Earth is America, before Barack Obama, America as a constitutional government with free markets, free speech, limited government.
This is as close to utopia as we can get on Earth.
alex jones
Look what our country produced!
Most of the patents, most of the devices, highest standard of living, highest rates of savings, and as soon as we left free market, we become a hell pit.
Most unhealthy, highest debt, all sorts of problems.
dan friesen
Exactly, but Obama has to lie about it.
joel gilbert
Michelle Obama, Barack Obama, now the entire Democrat Party, they cannot justify radical change if everything is going great.
If we have free markets and independence and a great economy, they have to tell us that...
unidentified
Everything is broken.
Immigration is broken.
Everything is unequal.
joel gilbert
And their solution is give us the power and we'll make it right for you.
dan friesen
Do you realize what they're doing?
They're just externalizing their own psyche.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
That's entirely what that is.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
The idea that, like, Obama has to lie about all this stuff to justify the things he's doing.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
That's what you're doing in order to justify your bigotry.
jordan holmes
Yeah, but if you're doing it, like, that's why they have to believe this stuff, is because they cannot accept that other people don't do what they do.
dan friesen
They don't think that way.
jordan holmes
Yeah, exactly.
dan friesen
Now, granted, Obama...
jordan holmes
They cannot accept that.
dan friesen
Obama did suck in a lot of ways, in many, many ways.
jordan holmes
Many ways.
dan friesen
But you know what?
He was not a secret socialist...
jordan holmes
He was the exact opposite, which is why we're in the situation we are now.
dan friesen
Well, I mean, if he was less competent, we wouldn't be in the situation we're in now.
The crisis of 2009 would have extended and probably gotten way worse.
We're in the position we're in because of the competence and great leadership.
But we'd be in a much better position were he some sort of a bizarre secret socialist.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's true.
dan friesen
There would have been so many more public works programs.
There would have been...
You know how many fucking bridges need to be restored?
jordan holmes
There would have been...
Massive debt forgiveness.
dan friesen
Absolutely.
jordan holmes
That would have been the biggest thing.
You want more people to buy homes?
Forgive college loan debt.
dan friesen
Now, to this stupid idea of, like, it wouldn't paint a utopia, even if he was some sort of a socialist firebrand or whatever, but this idea that there's a utopia that we had before Obama.
jordan holmes
Yeah, which one?
dan friesen
What the fuck is he talking about?
jordan holmes
Which one?
Name a utopia before Barack Obama.
dan friesen
So late 2008?
jordan holmes
Is that the one?
dan friesen
Well, I mean, isn't that what he's saying?
Like, Obama came in and destroyed everything?
jordan holmes
I guess.
dan friesen
That must be what he's talking about.
jordan holmes
I mean, I'm sure it didn't have anything to do with George Bush's massive tax cuts.
I'm sure there's no way that the fucking deregulation of everything under his fucking reign...
I'm sure there's no fucking way that any of this shit wasn't utopian until Obama took it over.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
Fucking insane.
It's absolute nonsense.
Do you know when the country consistently had growth?
Whenever a secret socialist was the president.
dan friesen
Or not as secret.
jordan holmes
He wasn't as secret.
He was almost assassinated by billionaires.
dan friesen
But, like, I think that...
jordan holmes
And do you know why we had a secret socialist?
Because whenever we had a complete free market, there was a massive stock market crash!
Because of all of this shit, because of the deregulation of the stock market, the same shit that is happening now that's going to lead to the next fucking crisis, which we obviously didn't learn anything from in 2007, whenever we had the last financial crisis, which we obviously didn't learn anything about when we had the last financial crisis in fucking 1987.
It's fucking insane.
These people are so goddamn stupid.
They're killing themselves in the process.
The whole fucking time they're doing it, they're saying that we're the ones at fault.
I can't process this information!
dan friesen
You should be able to process it.
jordan holmes
I want to strangle people!
Not everybody.
dan friesen
You should be able to process it very simply because it is just in this milieu of blaming the victim.
It's all of this stuff.
These Chinese women who are coming over here to have their babies.
Blame them!
Blame them!
jordan holmes
Blame the poor for not...
Picking themselves up by their bootstraps.
dan friesen
They don't work hard enough.
jordan holmes
They're lazy.
Sure, they have three jobs and work 60 hours a week.
But listen, that's laziness.
If they were really working, they would be rich by now.
Everybody knows that.
dan friesen
Blame Obama for things that...
You don't really need to criticize him for it.
And don't talk about the things you do need to criticize him for.
jordan holmes
There is nothing more polarizing than the way Obama treated people.
It definitely wasn't the fucking Tea Party losing their goddamn minds to the point where there's a guy screaming, you lie, at the president.
And then Trump comes in and he's like, oh, people didn't clap for me so they're treasonous.
This is fucking insane.
I hate them so much.
That's the one thing.
The one, the biggest problem that I had with Obama is the same problem that I have with the Democratic Party since fucking Bill Clinton, which is this idea of like, well, let's compromise with them.
They're so far gone.
They should be ignored.
There should be no conversations.
We can't communicate with people who say things like, everything Obama does is wrong.
There's no communication.
That's not a conversation.
You cannot compromise with somebody who is absolutely abjectly refusing to even acknowledge that it's possible for you to do something good.
dan friesen
It's an impossible starting point to engage with because once you join in on that conversation, you have to exert so much force to get any reasonable thing out of it.
You can't come to the table in a negotiation with...
I refuse to believe anything you say.
Well, alright, this is not going to go well.
jordan holmes
Anytime there's a profile or a piece that's like, we need to understand these people.
It's like, no, we understand them.
We need to...
Ignore these people.
dan friesen
Well, I think one of the problems was that I don't think enough people...
I think there were a lot of people who were sounding the alarm on this, and it's too bad that most people, and perhaps myself included, even, I wasn't really paying attention as closely as I should have, but people didn't understand what was happening in terms of the Overton window being moved while the people on the right were complaining about the Overton window moving to the left.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
So they were moving it hard left.
jordan holmes
As hard to the right as they can.
dan friesen
To the point now where we're in the situation that you were just screaming about, and that's acceptable on the right.
All that's very acceptable.
There's think pieces about whether Sargon of Asgard is just some sort of merry YouTuber as opposed to an out-and-out racist white nationalist.
You have these conversations about whether these commentators are mainstream.
Is Jack Posobiec a journalist?
These sorts of conversations shouldn't fucking be happening.
The idea that anybody...
When Alex Jones had that charade of him getting press credentials, no one should have taken that seriously.
No one should have been like, are we going to think that Alex Jones is a journalist?
jordan holmes
Oh, so you've been documented lying for your entire career?
Well, definitely now is a good time to see if you're trustworthy.
dan friesen
It's important to pay attention to these people, but you have to treat them like what they are.
You can't ever give any respect.
And now I sound like what you were just describing.
But I would say that in our year-long treatment of Alex, we've given him credit where credit's due.
You know, the standard examples.
jordan holmes
Yeah, we had two.
dan friesen
I think there have been a couple more.
jordan holmes
In roughly...
dan friesen
No, because he's against drones, too.
I'm against that.
jordan holmes
Right, that's true.
dan friesen
He's generally pro-peace.
Non-interventionist.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
But that goes out the window when Trump comes along.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
But back in the day, I agreed with him a bit more in terms of war stuff.
So, I mean, there are things that, like, I could come to the table with that in terms of, like, we agree on this and hope for some sort of a conversation.
But you cannot.
You cannot.
jordan holmes
But you can't.
Do you know why you can't, Dan?
Because you're a liberal.
You're a liberal.
So you come to the table and you say, hey, I agree with you.
We shouldn't be fucking fighting these wars in Iraq.
And he's going to be like, Matt, you're wrong.
You're wrong.
dan friesen
We should be fighting these wars.
jordan holmes
Yeah, he's a fucking moron.
dan friesen
Just flip it on him.
jordan holmes
These people are so goddamn stupid.
dan friesen
Yeah, speaking of which, here's Alex Jones seeing something, seeing a stimulus in the wild and completely misrepresenting it.
alex jones
If you go to Whole Foods and places, a lot of nice folks work at Whole Foods, I'm not bashing Whole Foods, but you see the magazines and things, it's all about learning how to be poor, learning how to have less.
dan friesen
I would suggest that probably those magazines are a response to people having less.
Could be.
How do you be thrifty?
How do you live on a budget?
As opposed to making that an attractive way to live.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Anyway.
That's catering to a market as opposed to creating.
It's cool to be poor!
jordan holmes
It's a trite thing to say at this point, but...
dan friesen
He's just stupid.
jordan holmes
You should not celebrate GoFundMe campaigns finally making enough money to get somebody to pay for their cancer treatment.
That's not a celebration.
That's the saddest thing in the world.
dan friesen
Quite sad.
Anyway, this is the last clip.
It continues from there, and then Alex gets into a call that he accidentally reveals something very fucking weird at the end of.
alex jones
While they charge so much, you know, whole foods, whole paycheck.
jordan holmes
Nice.
alex jones
This is the mentality.
You can't have air conditioning.
You can't have a car landing in Air Force One.
Let's go to a phone call.
Stephen, Virginia, thank you for holding.
You're on the air.
unidentified
Yes, thank you.
We're longtime Prison Planet subscribers.
We really love the show.
I wanted to say something about Netanyahu.
You know, it's a sad day in America when, to me, these useless people in Congress stand up and applaud someone who...
In, I think, 2002, I have a quote.
As far as I know, this is accurate.
He said, Netanyahu said, America can dry up and blow away with the wind when we have finished with it.
America can dry up and blow away with the wind when we have finished with it.
Now, that's not, to me, the quote from a friend.
Let me ask you this.
alex jones
Do you have video of that?
I mean, what's the source of that?
Because I see these quotes.
I see these quotes about myself that I didn't say.
I mean, what's the source of that?
unidentified
We got it on the internet here.
It says Veterans Today.
It says Netanyahu for President of America Veterans Today.
alex jones
Yeah, you know, that's a great named website, but I'm just going to leave it at that.
I mean, yeah, that's considered the source of that.
dan friesen
Real quick.
jordan holmes
What is fucking happening?
dan friesen
Clip isn't done, but just for fun, just a spoiler alert for the Endgame documentary, Alex Jones highlights at least four quotes that are fake.
jordan holmes
From that?
dan friesen
No, that are straight up fake.
And if you look at the bibliography, he has no citing for them because they weren't said by anybody.
So the idea that he's getting petty here about like, where's this Netanyahu quote coming from?
Oh, veterans today?
Yeah, fuck them.
That's ridiculous.
He is all over the place.
We have not yet gotten to the very weird admission.
alex jones
But I'd like to...
What's their source of it?
Where'd it come from?
unidentified
Their source...
Do you have their source on it?
I'm not sure.
I don't have it in hand.
It was...
Oh, oh, okay.
Yeah, the story is that it was an ex-CIA person who overheard him in a conversation.
alex jones
You know that site criticizes me, too, right?
unidentified
You know, I did not know that.
alex jones
I mean, I don't care.
It's just...
I don't mind.
Please, more of it.
unidentified
You do.
alex jones
It's just that a lot of these sites claim I'm an Israeli agent.
I've never been to Israel.
I've never...
I was basically approached by a famous member of Israeli intelligence who came to my office and was a little bit threatening.
But other than that, I've been...
I have no connections to Israel.
dan friesen
That is relevant.
jordan holmes
What is happening?
unidentified
Why did you say other than that?
jordan holmes
Sure, I was threatened by an Israeli intelligence officer.
dan friesen
Sure, a famous agent of Mossad came to my office and got slightly threatening.
jordan holmes
But I don't have any other connection to Israel other than that.
dan friesen
Did you report that to the FBI, Alex?
Now we have two instances.
He's talked to Russian intelligence and Israeli intelligence and admitted it on air.
jordan holmes
That makes both less believable, though.
Yeah, I think that makes both.
Because he's talking about 2002.
What is Israeli intelligence doing going to fucking...
dan friesen
Did he say 2002?
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Oh, I didn't hear that, but I believe it.
I believe him.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
I believe him.
jordan holmes
Wait, or was that when...
No, that's when Netanyahu supposedly said...
dan friesen
Yeah, I don't think he put a time frame on when Mossad came to visit.
jordan holmes
Yeah, you're right.
dan friesen
I believe him.
The way he said that is incredibly in line with Alex Jones just throwing something out.
He would have festooned it with so many more adjectives.
jordan holmes
So there were three guys in the hot tub and one of them was an Israeli intelligence officer.
dan friesen
He would have told the story six different ways for a week if this was real.
Or if this was not real.
So the way he described the interaction on RT that he thought was an interview, I believe that.
And I believe what he's saying here.
It's not in his lie patterns.
jordan holmes
That's true.
dan friesen
I've listened to him every day for over a year now.
I think I can get a sense of when it looks like he's...
It's almost like I have an EKG on him.
You know what I'm saying?
I can see in his face when he's grasping for something and when it's like, ah!
This happened.
jordan holmes
It's kind of interesting that you have never been interviewed by any of these people because you're literally, at this point, the world's foremost Alex Jones expert.
dan friesen
It's also interesting that no one responds to my fucking emails when I send them to various publications saying, hey, Alex is probably committing a crime here.
unidentified
Boring!
jordan holmes
Give me a meme!
Meme me!
dan friesen
We need to make a meme out of it somehow.
Anyway, that's the next thing I'd like people to pay attention to.
Alex Jones has been in contact with Israeli intelligence.
I feel like, I just, I don't know what, is that the Hatch Act?
What's the act where you gotta report that shit?
jordan holmes
I have no idea.
dan friesen
I don't either, but there's some law where it's like, you gotta tell somebody about that.
jordan holmes
Yeah, probably a good idea.
dan friesen
Can't be in touch with spies.
jordan holmes
Or at the very least, report that you're a foreign agent.
dan friesen
Anyway, that brings us to the end of this very weird episode where Alex is all over the place as it relates to Israel.
I don't know if we figured out exactly where he landed on it.
jordan holmes
I don't know if he figured out exactly where he landed on.
dan friesen
He's on the wrong side of stuff.
I know that.
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
But I don't know.
jordan holmes
In a nebulous way.
dan friesen
Yeah, yeah.
In a sort of holistic way.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
He's wrong.
jordan holmes
Where you can pin him down, you know he's wrong.
dan friesen
Yeah, and the places where you can't really pin him down, you're like, why are you even talking about this?
Why are you getting into ethnic origins?
jordan holmes
If you are walking the tightrope of talking about Israel, he fell down real hard.
dan friesen
If you are in a conversation like this, When you say true Jew, you have lost.
unidentified
That's a good point.
dan friesen
You are not going to come out of this unscathed.
jordan holmes
By which I mean European Jew who moved to the Middle East and then got ruined by all of these African people.
Oh, wait.
dan friesen
Arabs are a hybrid.
jordan holmes
Oh, God.
dan friesen
Anyway, Jesse, thank you so much for contributing to the show and making us go through this slightly uncomfortable.
Happy birthday!
unidentified
Happy birthday!
That's what Alex forgot to say.
jordan holmes
Yes, your birthday will be coming up.
Happy birthday to you on March 3rd.
Got a month or so.
If there's one thing that we've learned about Israel, don't.
Don't.
Just don't.
dan friesen
Anyway, if you'd like to find out more about the show, we have a website, knowledgefight.com.
jordan holmes
You can follow us on Twitter.
It's at knowledge underscore fight.
dan friesen
Correct.
Also on Facebook.
jordan holmes
And go to iTunes.
Tell your friends.
dan friesen
For all of you who are still listening now, I assume you're interested in the show.
So we've weeded out all the people who are Johnny-come-lately.
jordan holmes
Who give up after the plugs.
dan friesen
So at this point, if you're still listening, I have a special initiative.
This is the Avengers initiative I'd like to propose.
We've come to a position where I believe that we are not going to make forward progress in the project that we are engaged in without expansion.
And it's very difficult to expand without resources in terms of like buying ads and stuff like that.
But what we can do is encourage our listeners to post about us on message boards.
If you are on other...
Podcast message boards or on Reddit or anything like that.
Please help get the word out.
Post something about us.
And if you do, I'm going to say this.
I'm creating a very long, very special drop of Alex Jones saying ridiculous shit that will be exclusive.
Only for the people who send me at knowledgefight at gmail.com a snapshot of you posting about us on someone else's message board.
Trying to get the word out, because we need...
I love the listeners that we have, and it's great that people are listening, but we've got to find a way to widen this tent.
We've got to get the word out.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And we're shit at it.
We are so bad.
jordan holmes
Yeah, so for the first time at this weekend doing shows, I sold buttons and told people about the podcast.
dan friesen
I like to imagine you did a five-minute thing on stage.
jordan holmes
No.
We got buttons.
dan friesen
I'm going to weave it into an old joke.
jordan holmes
My merch bit was terrible.
It was, I have a podcast.
I'm sorry.
I have buttons.
I'm sorry.
dan friesen
It's a good bit.
jordan holmes
Closing bit.
unidentified
Okay.
dan friesen
That's standard road stuff.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I'm not good at it.
dan friesen
Yeah, but that's really cool, though, that people were interested, and that's awesome.
I hope they tune in and what have you, but...
jordan holmes
It was...
Soul-crushing to stand at a merch table.
dan friesen
I can only imagine.
jordan holmes
It was awful.
dan friesen
I did it when I was out on the road with Bill Squire.
I hung out at the booth with him, and it was...
jordan holmes
Not good.
dan friesen
You gotta do it.
You gotta do it if you want to make that road money.
jordan holmes
Oh, yeah.
dan friesen
But, be that as it may, please, if you like the show, how much better would it be if there were ten times as many of us?
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's true.
dan friesen
So if you can help get the word out, we would appreciate it.
jordan holmes
Have you seen the My Favorite Murder community?
Those guys are crazy together.
They all meet.
There have been marriages that have happened because they liked My Favorite Murder.
dan friesen
Oh, yeah, we'll have meetups.
jordan holmes
Here's the thing.
dan friesen
We've met a couple listeners.
jordan holmes
Yeah, if you want to get married.
Share our...
Wait, is that how that works?
dan friesen
That's what Alex Jones actually says.
It makes me very uncomfortable.
unidentified
That's true.
dan friesen
He says, but wear our shirts.
unidentified
Sometimes people go out in public, they wear an InfoWars shirt and they meet their future wife.
jordan holmes
Also, listen.
Listen.
If you need a gift for this Valentine's Day that's going to make you fuck better, buy a button.
dan friesen
Buttons.
jordan holmes
Put it right on your dick.
It vibrates.
I don't know.
I'm done.
I'm bad at the merch bit.
dan friesen
I do not think the button works as a cock ring.
Don't sell it that way.
But anyway, if you do that, you'll get a ridiculously long, weird drop of Alex saying fucked up stuff.
jordan holmes
Do not use it as your ringtone if you are at work.
dan friesen
If you don't want to do that, I also understand and just appreciate you listening.
jordan holmes
We love all of you so much.
dan friesen
Anyway, Jordan.
Who's on your mind today to call out as a pile of garbage?
jordan holmes
You know, that's an interesting thing.
dan friesen
Today, I want to give a sub one.
jordan holmes
I haven't really paid too much attention to anybody other than the fucking guy who was...
dan friesen
Yeah.
We'll use him.
But I also want to give a sub, fuck you, to John Rappaport, because he called in sick on Thursday.
jordan holmes
Fuck you, John Rappaport!
dan friesen
For old times' sake.
But also, hey, Porter, go fuck yourself, you piece of shit.
alex jones
Andy in Kansas, you're on the air.
Thanks for holding.
unidentified
Hello, Alex.
I'm a first-time caller.
I'm a huge fan.
I love your work.
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