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#121: April 1-2, 2013

Today, Dan tells Jordan all about an episode of The Alex Jones Show where Alex Jones keeps retelling a story about running into an "authoritarian" in a hot tub while on vacation. The story cannot be true, but it's fun to watch Alex give it more and more layers of lies as time goes on. Also, Alex lies a bunch about the UN to scare his listeners and pulls off one of the harshest ad pivots in history.

Participants
Main voices
a
alex jones
15:05
d
dan friesen
29:11
j
jordan holmes
13:47
Appearances
Clips
p
pastor david manning
00:02
s
steve pieczenik
00:28
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Speaker Time Text
alex jones
Andy in Kansas, you're on the air.
Thanks for holding.
Hello, Alex.
unidentified
I'm a first-time caller.
I'm a huge fan.
I love your work.
alex jones
I love you.
dan friesen
Hey, everybody.
Welcome back to Knowledge Fight.
I'm Dan.
jordan holmes
I'm Jordan.
dan friesen
We're a couple dudes who like to sit around, drink novelty beverages, and talk a little bit about Alex Jones.
jordan holmes
That is what we do.
Dan, is there some sort of reason, some sort of compelling force?
dan friesen
Nope.
jordan holmes
That would make you listen to this show.
dan friesen
I know a lot about Alec Jones.
I don't know anything about Alec Jones.
Guys, today we are going to be talking about an episode...
As we usually do.
jordan holmes
Way to thank all the people who came out to our live show, Dan.
dan friesen
I was going to transition to that.
alex jones
Come on, man.
dan friesen
That was going to be my next thing.
But you have beat me to it.
jordan holmes
I'll jump to it, yes.
dan friesen
Thank you to everybody who came out to the live show.
It was super awesome to meet some folks.
jordan holmes
It was a shit ton of fun.
dan friesen
It was great.
jordan holmes
It was a wonderful time.
I don't know if you guys liked it, but I'll be goddamned if I didn't have a great time.
dan friesen
You had a blast.
The recording of that will be out tomorrow.
I had a lot of editing that had to be done to make it sound nice.
But also thanks to the theater playground letting us do that.
jordan holmes
I like the way they let us run the show, which it seemed like...
When we started the show, everybody just left.
There was the sound guy, and then there was nobody else there.
dan friesen
Yeah, absolutely.
It was wild stuff.
But I have no idea if there were more employees.
It was weird.
jordan holmes
I don't think so.
dan friesen
I felt lost.
jordan holmes
Oh, yeah, no.
There was no rules.
dan friesen
And in that lostness, I kind of forgot to make one of the big points that I wanted to make.
unidentified
Yes.
dan friesen
And let this relate to the episode that will air tomorrow.
unidentified
And that point is we could have stolen fucking everything.
dan friesen
Probably.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
But also that...
The point that I wanted to make about Alex Jones in that episode especially, and I think it relates to almost everything else, is that he never takes the time to get stories right.
You know what I'm saying?
And that's one of the most dangerous things that people in media, and especially people in persuasive media, can do.
jordan holmes
Yeah, he shoots from the hip.
dan friesen
Right, and he just, like, he knows, in this case, he knows he has, like, two days or so to get a story out before the facts refuted.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right.
dan friesen
Anyway, this isn't going to make sense, because the live show isn't out yet, and no one is listening to this.
Has listened to it, but keep that in mind, that that is a really dangerous thing.
jordan holmes
To everybody who's listened thus far...
Pause it.
Wait for tomorrow's show.
And then listen to us on Thursday.
dan friesen
Don't do that.
But anyway, I would also like to say thank you, first of all, I mean, again, to the people who came to the show.
And then also to a new technocrat.
jordan holmes
Oh, shit!
dan friesen
We've got a new donor.
Really appreciate it.
Thank you so much, John C. I'm a policy wonk.
steve pieczenik
Four stars.
Go home to your mother and tell her you're brilliant.
pastor david manning
Someone sodomite sent me a bucket of poop.
alex jones
Daddy Shark.
Jar Jar Binks has a Caribbean black accent.
unidentified
He's a loser little titty baby.
alex jones
I don't want to hate black people.
I renounce Jesus Christ.
dan friesen
Fine.
Thank you, John C. We appreciate it so much.
Thank you very much, John C. So, Jordan, today what we're going to be doing is a little bit of reclamation on my part.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
So, in the preparation...
jordan holmes
Giving back lands to the Native Americans.
dan friesen
No, I'm reclaiming some of my time.
jordan holmes
Oh, okay.
dan friesen
I spent a large amount of time trying to find an episode to do for the live show.
And in doing so, I ended up listening to, I think I said it was like 12 or 13 episodes of the show.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
It was some ridiculous...
It was like 40 hours.
dan friesen
Yeah, it was a lot.
jordan holmes
You put a full-time jobs into it.
dan friesen
And so what I wanted to do here is I wanted to take some time to go over some of the stuff that didn't end up in the live show.
unidentified
Okay.
dan friesen
Because there was some stuff that was still worth it, but I thought, like, this isn't for the live show.
unidentified
Right, right, right.
dan friesen
And so today what we'll be doing is we'll be going over April 1st and 2nd of 2013.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
This is something that I found that was, because I searched every April Fool's Day.
unidentified
Of course.
dan friesen
Because I thought that might be some fun.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
And it wasn't the kind of fun I was looking for.
jordan holmes
Like most April Fool's Days.
dan friesen
Exactly.
And so on this April 1st of 2013, Alex Jones tells a story through most of the show, and it's one of the best things I've ever experienced.
This story is nuts.
And it's about a vacation that he had taken recently.
jordan holmes
This is an autobiographical story.
dan friesen
This is the Halloween story all over.
jordan holmes
He's dressing like a Nazi again.
dan friesen
Not quite, but we're going to get a number of versions of this story.
And it's exciting.
I love it.
Here's the first one.
alex jones
And when we come back, I'll briefly tell the story.
Start the next hour and take your calls and get into all this news.
Again, I had family in town this weekend at kind of a small family reunion out at a little...
You know, a resort outside Austin.
And I went to that, and I was there about half the time because I had company at my house.
And I just was in the hot tub, and all three of these guys were listeners.
One guy was from Portland, Oregon, an engineer.
The other two were businessmen.
One was in construction.
The other was in other kind of business.
I forget.
We just had a discussion about how do we fix America?
How do we wake folks up to the bankrupting, you know, the banks stealing the money in Cyprus?
unidentified
Cyprus?
jordan holmes
Yes, how do you do that?
alex jones
This guy gets out of the pool and looks at us and says, we're going to get you, and you can't stop us.
It was just so creepy.
jordan holmes
Wait, what?
alex jones
It was a pirate right there.
Now, the natural thing to do is, man, these people are dangerous.
They're dangerous, man.
jordan holmes
They know.
alex jones
They know what they're doing.
dan friesen
All right.
jordan holmes
Okay, so if I understand this story correctly.
dan friesen
Yes.
jordan holmes
He's in a hot tub.
Three guys.
dan friesen
Yes.
jordan holmes
All three of them were listeners.
dan friesen
Listeners.
They love the show.
jordan holmes
They're all talking.
They're all figuring out how to solve America's problems.
unidentified
Right.
jordan holmes
Also, Cyprus's problems.
dan friesen
Sure, sure.
jordan holmes
It's about time somebody did that.
dan friesen
Well, because they're all listeners, they know that Cyprus's problems are our problems because of the globalists.
jordan holmes
Yes, exactly.
dan friesen
Right, right.
jordan holmes
And then one of them.
dan friesen
No, no, no.
A different guy.
jordan holmes
No, see, I didn't hear him introduce a different guy.
dan friesen
I know too much.
It's a different guy.
jordan holmes
Okay, see, now I heard him just say, and then one of them stood up and said, we're gonna get you.
dan friesen
Different guy.
jordan holmes
Different guy, alright.
dan friesen
Different guy.
jordan holmes
Because I'm hoping for a secret globalist in this situation.
dan friesen
Well, you might be thrilled with where this goes, but it's not a secret globalist in so much as it's one of the people he's hanging out with in the hot tub.
jordan holmes
One of the three fictional listeners that I'm sure exist entirely in his head.
dan friesen
So there's another guy.
unidentified
Of course.
dan friesen
And he's like, aha, I'm going to get you.
jordan holmes
How long was he there for?
dan friesen
What do you mean?
The other guy?
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
The whole time.
jordan holmes
He was there the whole time?
dan friesen
Look, we'll get more details as this goes along.
jordan holmes
I need to, but...
Okay.
Never mind.
That's fine.
That's fine.
This story...
There's some red flags.
dan friesen
Right, but he was going out to break at this point, so he didn't have time to fully flesh out the story.
So now he comes back from break, and he has a chance to give this story a couple more layers.
jordan holmes
So wait, he's gonna retell the story immediately after break.
dan friesen
Oh yeah.
A couple more layers of detail.
alex jones
And, you know, I told the guys in the hot tub after this establishment authoritarian collaborator left, when I was in that hot tub, I gave him Rob Dew's email because he's good at reading his email, and I said, later in the week we'll get a couple of you guys on if you want to tell the story of what you saw because it's so unbelievable.
unidentified
We're all calmly sitting there in a hot tub.
dan friesen
I like that Alex admits that this is unbelievable.
To the best of my knowledge, he does not have them on to corroborate his story.
And even if they did, I still don't believe it.
alex jones
A hot tub going, I don't know how we bring together the country.
I don't know how we unify people around the Bill of Rights and Constitution.
The Cyprus situation, they're going to suck our accounts dry here.
It's the Federal Reserve, it's the crony capitalist.
How do we get our industry back?
And one guy worked in utility contracting.
He was talking about how they were shutting the power plants down.
And it was all about saving America and unity.
These guys were all successful.
One was an electrical engineer.
The other guys were successful in business.
One guy has a payroll of a quarter million dollars a month.
The other guy paid $300,000.
He was saying in taxes to the feds last year.
And we're sitting there in the hot tub.
I'm watching my kids off running around and stuff at the pool.
My wife's over there in the pool.
dan friesen
Unnecessary details.
jordan holmes
Wait, so this is midday?
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
I'm imagining a later night like everybody's drinking.
Everybody's got a cocktail.
No, this is midday.
Sun shining.
Beautiful, gorgeous day.
Wife and kids in the pool over there.
Alex, as far away from them as he can possibly get.
dan friesen
Hanging out with fake listeners.
jordan holmes
Imaginary globalist.
unidentified
Mm-hmm.
Okay.
alex jones
And this guy gets in the tub, and I said, man, that guy's an authoritarian.
He was about 67 years old.
He said he was later when we talked to him.
He had a baseball cap on, and he was sitting there very elitist.
And I was talking about China and the suicide nets and the mass extermination.
And he goes, hey, China's doing a great job.
It's not a problem.
And he read this professor's book.
And, you know, we're bringing in globalism to end the violence.
Of course, there'll be some problems on the road to it.
And I was like, whoa, you mean Fabian socialism?
Not Fabian socialism.
But after it will all be fixed.
And he didn't know who I was.
Or he said he didn't.
And he gets out of the hot tub and he leans over and he goes, the age of the white man is over.
White man.
We're taking over.
The demographics have changed and we're going to get everything.
jordan holmes
Wait, wasn't he an old white man?
alex jones
Your guns, everything.
And he said, you've lost.
And we're like, we've lost?
We're talking about megabanks draining everybody's accounts.
We want to build productivity.
Because it was four white guys in the hot tub.
And I'm like, you're here at a resort enjoying the free market.
This stuff doesn't exist in socialist countries and places that have become corrupt.
It falls apart.
jordan holmes
You are the worst conversation.
alex jones
Like I said, what you say doesn't matter.
We control things now.
We control the narrative.
And I went, what do you do?
And he goes, I'm a government scientist in viruses.
And he smiles and I go, oh my god, you think there's too many people.
And he's like, you bet there is.
And I went, oh my gosh.
He goes, I don't know who you are and you don't count.
And the other guy said, obviously he meant he knew who I was.
He just wanted to say, you don't exist to me.
It's where they speak down to us.
This was an actual authoritarian enemy operative.
jordan holmes
Alright.
dan friesen
So now the story is it's all about white genocide, basically.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right.
dan friesen
Or all of Alex Jones' narratives are being confirmed by this weirdo stranger who overhears him talking to a couple people in a hot tub and is like, China's doing great.
unidentified
This is the fakest shit I've ever heard.
jordan holmes
This is a...
Wonderful story.
I think it would have been written well by Kate Chopin.
I mean, I think there's a great author there that can really knock this story out of the park.
dan friesen
Or whoever wrote The Child Roll On to the Dark Tower.
jordan holmes
I want to know exactly what the internal monologue of this government scientist globalist is.
dan friesen
He sees him coming over and he's like, oh, that's an authoritarian.
jordan holmes
Yeah, well, of course.
I mean, if you see a man wearing...
What would he be wearing that makes him look like an authoritarian?
dan friesen
Is that a cap?
I don't know.
jordan holmes
He's got a baseball cap?
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
Was it backwards?
dan friesen
Could have been.
jordan holmes
That's an authoritarian move right there.
dan friesen
Sideways means he likes to party.
Well.
So, you're in luck.
Because you're asking about some details for what happened?
unidentified
Yes.
jordan holmes
Am I going to get some details?
dan friesen
About ten minutes later, he tells the story again.
jordan holmes
He tells the same story ten minutes later!
dan friesen
Yep.
jordan holmes
He is workshopping this story.
dan friesen
Totally.
jordan holmes
For a party later.
dan friesen
Totally, because he adds dialogue in this one.
jordan holmes
He adds dialogue?
Okay.
unidentified
The story shifts a little bit in this third telling of it.
jordan holmes
Who's the hero in this story?
dan friesen
There are no heroes.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
alex jones
But if you just joined us, I was telling a story about my mom had an idea to go out to one of these, you know, what was the Hyatt Hotel outside Austin, Texas.
dan friesen
Blame your mom.
alex jones
The river's out there and there's, you know, a big swimming pool and stuff for the kids.
So we thought we'd have some family into town.
Let's have a small little family reunion for Easter and go out there.
Could everybody fit in the pool?
And it's an upper end, you know, nice hotel.
And there's five white guys.
There were other, quote, groups of people out there, but five white guys in this hot tub over at 10 because there were two hot tubs.
jordan holmes
Five white guys walking to a hot tub.
alex jones
We're sitting there talking about how the globalists are shutting down America, how both parties are corrupt, about how crony capitalists are able to use government to shut down their competition, how they're trying to bankrupt us by design.
So it was really a serious...
Heartfelt discussion.
One guy's like, man, let's talk about the Rangers.
Because I hadn't brought it up.
These guys were listeners.
A couple of them heard of me, but a couple were hardcore listeners.
Another guy gets in the hot tub and is listening.
And this wasn't like that evil Obama, you know, these bad minorities.
It was not even a discussion about that, but a white guy gets in there.
unidentified
White guy.
alex jones
You know, it looked like about retirement age.
He said he was 67 later.
He said, the age of white men is over.
You'll all, you know, won't be here soon.
One guy said, well, how old are you?
And he goes, 67. He goes, we got nine years on me.
But the whole point was, we were having a heartfelt, you know, the globalists are going to bankrupt us.
And, you know, they're working with China to leverage things out.
And the poor Chinese people, yeah, did you hear about this?
jordan holmes
Why are you having this conversation?
alex jones
I'm sitting there talking to the engineer.
And the guy's sitting there.
He starts defending communist China.
And I went, so you're a collectivist.
He goes, yes, I am.
unidentified
Yes, I am.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
alex jones
He goes, I work for the government.
jordan holmes
Using viruses.
alex jones
I work in pure research and viruses.
And we go, so we pay your salary.
He goes, it doesn't matter.
And he goes, you know, we're taking over.
He gets out of the hot tub.
We're being real nice to him.
We thought he was joking.
And he stands there for like 20 minutes, pointing his finger at us with the most ridiculous...
It'd be like a five-year-old kid going to WWF or WWE wrestling and standing by one of the, you know, fake...
You know, muscle guys.
jordan holmes
They have real muscles.
alex jones
Or, you know, fake tough guys or whatever.
I'm sure they are tough guys, but, you know, it's like ballet.
One of the actors.
And actually, you know, little kids feel powerful, reflective glory, standing at the knee of a big man.
When I've seen my son, you know, I guess he's healthy, so he admires his father.
dan friesen
Wait, what?
There's a little more to this clip.
jordan holmes
I guess he's healthy.
So he admires his father.
dan friesen
I think there's a little more to this clip.
Oh, I know there is.
But I think what he's getting at there is, like, this authoritarian old man was, like, he stood there for 20 minutes pointing at Alex.
unidentified
Why?
jordan holmes
20 minutes?
dan friesen
Because...
jordan holmes
Does he say anything?
Or is he just...
dan friesen
No, he's just pointing at him, apparently.
jordan holmes
Is he just, like, the ghost of Christmas future?
I accuse you!
J 'accuse!
dan friesen
What he's doing, too, is just, like...
I think he's insinuating that the guy, the authoritarian, felt tough because he was around Alex.
Like, there's something about Alex's toughness that rubs off on other people.
unidentified
Mm-hmm.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
Anyway, there's a little more to the clip here.
unidentified
All right.
dan friesen
Let's see what the rest of the story holds.
jordan holmes
I can't understand those words.
alex jones
So we don't let him watch mainstream television.
He disdained me.
That's the message.
You know, he feels strong when he's around me.
jordan holmes
Okay.
alex jones
But it was just watching, like, yes, I'm an authoritarian.
A collectivist, and yes, the state's taking over, and you individualists will be defeated.
And he was laughing with really evil pleasure.
This was like a movie.
All these serious guys that have all these employees and are smart, and they're going, I employ a lot of people.
Obamacare raised taxes on people's payroll.
One guy, he's like, ah, whatever.
That's all part of the takeover.
It'll be different once you've been dealt with.
And one guy starts going, why don't you just get out of here then?
And the guy's like, you bet I will enjoy your time.
And it was like, sometimes he was like an anti-white racist who was a white guy.
dan friesen
All this doesn't make sense.
Like, no one behaves like this.
jordan holmes
Where's your first...
dan friesen
All of it.
jordan holmes
Where's your first hole in this?
dan friesen
All of it.
jordan holmes
Where's your plot hole here?
dan friesen
This shit's Swiss cheese, my friend.
jordan holmes
Let's workshop this.
How can we punch up this story?
dan friesen
I would have a page...
jordan holmes
Cut out a lot of details.
dan friesen
Page one rewrite.
Just from scratch.
Start over again.
jordan holmes
Alright, alright.
dan friesen
I would say...
jordan holmes
Condense the three guys.
dan friesen
Well, here's what I would do.
Get rid of the antagonist.
Because that's bullshit.
jordan holmes
Yeah, of course.
dan friesen
It's unbelievable.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
If you wanted to say that you're just hanging out in a hot tub with a couple people who turned out to be fans of yours, by all means, go for it.
I don't know.
jordan holmes
You gotta have a driving force in the story.
dan friesen
No, because it's too similar to all the times that he says he goes to grocery stores and people turn into demons when they look at him and stuff like that.
jordan holmes
Well, yeah, but that's because there's a theme developing.
No, it's because he's crazy.
It's like Stephen King writing all of his stories in Maine.
It's like there's always going to be the guy.
dan friesen
Right, right.
There is an unreliable narrator situation in any time Alex Jones tells that.
A story about his own life.
And we know...
jordan holmes
Alex Jones lives Fight Club.
I think that's what's really going on here.
dan friesen
Yeah, to a certain extent.
Or at least he thinks everyone else wants to fight with him.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
That's definitely part of his psychosis.
But, Jordan?
unidentified
Yes?
dan friesen
We're having a lot of fun.
We're laughing at this obviously not true story from Alex's vacation.
jordan holmes
It's bananas.
dan friesen
But we should be...
jordan holmes
Is he going to tell it again?
dan friesen
No.
We should be serious, though.
unidentified
Are you lying to me?
dan friesen
No.
We should be serious.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
This event in Alex Jones' life...
Had some serious consequences.
jordan holmes
How?
dan friesen
Listen to this.
alex jones
This is what it looks like to be a fallen joke of a people.
And I don't say that to put us down.
I'm really sad.
In fact, I had nightmares after I talked to that guy Saturday night.
I woke up.
I don't really usually have nightmares.
jordan holmes
Oh, no.
alex jones
Or if I have a scary dream, it's more like entertainment.
I woke up just in a sweat, so sad for how evil that guy is and how pathetic he was.
Like, I had sorrow in the dream for how pathetic these people are.
That they're so horrible and so weak and so evil and so dangerous and so pathetic and that they're going to have their way.
They're going to bring America down.
They're going to wreck everything because they hate goodness.
They hate success.
They hate wealth because they're nobodies.
dan friesen
That doesn't track.
jordan holmes
I mean, that guy was a government...
Viral scientist.
dan friesen
Also not true.
jordan holmes
I mean, yeah, but that's kind of a big deal.
dan friesen
Yeah, I mean, he wouldn't be a nobody if that is true.
jordan holmes
Yeah, no, he's definitely not a nobody.
He's the one devising the genocide virus, right?
That's a big deal.
dan friesen
It doesn't track logically to be like, these people are so evil and they want to destroy you because they're nobodies.
Being a nobody doesn't necessarily mean you want to destroy the world.
jordan holmes
Well, it's also because they hate good.
dan friesen
Well, sure.
But that's just a pathetic...
I mean, he's using George W. Bush rhetoric.
Like, they hate our freedoms and stuff like that.
jordan holmes
Yeah, well, they do hate our freedoms.
dan friesen
Right, but Alex plays this game where he's like, I hate George W. Bush.
I think he's a monster trying to pitch this war on us.
Then he uses the same rhetoric against his imaginary enemy, the globalists.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
It's bizarre.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Very bizarre.
jordan holmes
Strangely enough, though, both enemies...
Ultimately the same thing, and that's brown people.
dan friesen
Yep.
jordan holmes
That's Muslims.
dan friesen
Yep.
jordan holmes
That's what's really going on here.
dan friesen
Well, because there's a tool of the globalists.
jordan holmes
Even his disagreements with the globalists are like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.
We both hate Muslims.
That's the disagreement.
That's it.
That's the whole thing.
dan friesen
So, Jordan, we're done with that story for now.
unidentified
Yes.
dan friesen
But on April 1st, we do find a big piece.
It's a bad show.
It's not good.
It's mostly this story.
But at the end of it, we get a visit from one Steve Pchenik.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
And at this point, Steve Pchenik is pushing the Sandy Hook was fake narrative.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
And Alex has him explain.
jordan holmes
I was there in the hot tub.
I can tell you all of it's true.
dan friesen
He looks like he's about 67. Yeah!
Maybe it was Pechenik.
jordan holmes
Maybe it was Pechenik.
dan friesen
It was Pechenik.
jordan holmes
Wearing a mask.
dan friesen
Fake mustache.
Pechenik.
unidentified
Okay.
jordan holmes
New theory.
dan friesen
All right.
jordan holmes
New theory.
dan friesen
All right.
jordan holmes
Everybody in Alex's life.
Is living a constant make-a-wish for Alex.
Where it's like everybody always...
Every single person in all of his stories who's the antagonist, that's one of his friends wearing a mask to give him something to talk about.
dan friesen
So it's like when they turned the city into Gotham.
alex jones
Turned it into Batman!
unidentified
Yeah!
jordan holmes
Same thing.
dan friesen
For the baby kid who was dying.
jordan holmes
They're all being told every single day that Alex is going to die, and it needs to be the best day of his life.
dan friesen
I mean, it's possible.
I don't know.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
But I think there's another theory that if you use the logic of people like Steve Pachanek, you could say that everyone Alex runs into is crisis actors.
jordan holmes
Ooh, that's true.
dan friesen
You could say that.
But that's just gang-stalking shit.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right.
dan friesen
That's a classic kind of schizophrenia.
jordan holmes
See, now that's an Improv Anywhere video I would actually watch.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So in this next clip...
jordan holmes
The boyhood-length...
12-year-long film of everybody fucking with Alex Jones.
dan friesen
I couldn't handle watching it because I know the consequences are this.
They would bum me out.
Good prank, guys.
jordan holmes
Good prank.
dan friesen
But unfortunately...
jordan holmes
You at least got to give them respect.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So this is Steve Pachanek explaining pretty early on why he believes that Sandy Hook was a false flag.
jordan holmes
Okay.
alex jones
So, Doc, what is your take on...
On Sandy Hook, is it just all the clear scripting and how they were ready minute one, and now it's come out that Bloomberg was ready months before?
dan friesen
Not true.
alex jones
And then all the people that look and act like actors.
What's your take as an expert on this?
steve pieczenik
Well, this is a total script.
jordan holmes
As an expert on this.
steve pieczenik
A woman who lives in Sandy Hook who's worth $600 million, and you can call her up, you can interview her named Susan Collins.
She's written all the Hunger Game movies and the Hunger Game books, and literally it comes out of her script, the assassination of children in schools, the assassination of children in a dystopic society, the fact that she had no comments, the fact that this almost came out of her own books on children in war.
dan friesen
So yeah, that's his theory.
That's where it comes from.
jordan holmes
Sandy Hook.
dan friesen
That's a big part of their Sandy Hook theory.
jordan holmes
Is the Hunger Games.
dan friesen
Right.
And because Susan Collins is from near Sandy Hook, or maybe even Sandy Hook, I don't know.
jordan holmes
You can call her up!
dan friesen
Right, you could.
And it's suspicious that she says no comment.
jordan holmes
Yeah!
She doesn't have anything to say?
dan friesen
Why would she comment on, other than to an official outlet possibly...
unidentified
Other than to hide!
jordan holmes
Other than to hide!
dan friesen
You make a great point.
You make a great point.
jordan holmes
Why wouldn't she comment?
dan friesen
How fucking soft is this shit?
jordan holmes
What else does Susan Collins have to do?
dan friesen
You could make the argument then that, like, hey, you know, I don't know, Devin Sawa was in on it because he was in that movie The Faculty.
Was he in that?
No.
Usher.
Usher Raymond was in it.
Usher did it.
Usher was involved.
jordan holmes
Usher the musician.
dan friesen
Sure.
But, yeah, I mean, that had to do with students being killed at school.
Right.
It's nonsense, man.
unidentified
Dude.
dan friesen
This is a disaster.
unidentified
Nobody show him the Japanese version.
dan friesen
Oh, sure.
Battle Royale?
jordan holmes
Nobody show him Battle Royale.
dan friesen
That's a better conspiracy theory, that she owes that person millions of dollars.
But it bums me out, because Alex is wrong about so much.
And I never knew that the sort of genesis of this...
Obviously, it's coming from Steve.
Steve is one of his big resources on this.
And one of the biggest things he has going for him is, look, Susan Collins is from there.
She wrote a book.
She won't say any comment.
That's not anything.
jordan holmes
So is the implication, then, that the government hired her to write the Sandy Hook massacre?
dan friesen
Probably.
Or predictive programming through the Younger Games book.
jordan holmes
I like the conspiracy better if the government goes to Susan Collins and they're like, we don't even know how to false flag anymore.
dan friesen
Oh, so you're talking like a wag the dog scenario.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, exactly.
They're like, we need a script writer because we can't write...
The Sandy Hook Massacre.
Right.
dan friesen
We need...
jordan holmes
How would you...
dan friesen
We need Woody Harrelson to come in and write a song about a shoe.
jordan holmes
How would you even begin to write The Sandy Hook Massacre?
Would you just look back at all of the other school shootings that we've had?
dan friesen
That are very similar?
unidentified
No.
jordan holmes
You hire Susan Collins of The Hunger Games.
dan friesen
And let me be clear, too.
The Hunger Games is nothing like Sandy Hook.
jordan holmes
I feel like we...
I feel like we shouldn't have to say that, and yet at the same time, I think we do have to say that.
dan friesen
There's a lot of differences in terms of the setting, the plot, all those sorts of things.
jordan holmes
No, no, no.
Don't you remember the similarities?
dan friesen
Yeah.
Tons of them.
So that bums me out, man.
jordan holmes
Are there any similarities?
dan friesen
Kids died.
I guess that's the big one.
jordan holmes
Is that his point?
dan friesen
Yeah.
Yeah, I think so.
jordan holmes
And it was a school?
dan friesen
Yep.
That's about it.
jordan holmes
All right.
dan friesen
And then he goes on to talk about crisis actors, and that's a load of bullshit.
jordan holmes
Susan Collins is great, then.
dan friesen
Yeah.
After that, he goes into, like, eh, there's crisis actors, all this shit, and, like, eh, that's not compelling either.
You look into all those arguments, and they're...
Those are...
That's macaroni.
Not macaroni.
Swiss.
unidentified
That's...
dan friesen
It's cheese.
jordan holmes
It's macaroni.
dan friesen
It's cheese with holes in it, my friend.
So, I wish they had something better, but they don't.
They're just casting.
It's the same thing that we talk about over and over again.
It's telling stories before there is a story in order to get ahead of it.
jordan holmes
Like Susan Collins.
dan friesen
Right, right.
And just making stuff up, making implications, insinuations that are irresponsible.
And that's all he's doing about Sandy Hook.
And unfortunately, it caught on like crazy.
And granted, Alex Jones...
jordan holmes
Well, so did The Hunger Games.
dan friesen
It's true.
Maybe that's the connection.
jordan holmes
That's what it is.
dan friesen
I mean, Alex Jones...
jordan holmes
The only person who could write a conspiracy theory this great, a conspiracy theory this great, is Susan Collins.
dan friesen
Indeed.
Alex Jones didn't start Sandy Hook denialism or anything like that.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
But, I mean, he played a big part in publicizing it.
And so, I mean, he should be ashamed that one of his big pieces of logic is The Hunger Games.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
It's ridiculous.
Anyway.
We go from here on to April 2nd.
jordan holmes
Well, you know who wrote Las Vegas?
dan friesen
Who's that?
jordan holmes
J.K. Rowling.
dan friesen
J.K. Rowling?
jordan holmes
J.K. Rowling.
dan friesen
What are you talking about?
jordan holmes
Of course she did.
dan friesen
What are the connections?
jordan holmes
It's the highest grossing shooting.
unidentified
Oh, come on.
Come on.
dan friesen
Come on.
jordan holmes
All right.
All right.
dan friesen
We move on to April 2nd.
And Alex Jones is in a different headspace on April 2nd.
And he starts things off with a little bit of complaining about the U.N., which is interesting.
I mean, he hates the U.N. And let's see where he goes with it.
alex jones
And then when the U.N. finally takes over under State Department Plan and U.N. International Treaty and Public Law 7277, that's an executive order that becomes law by bureaucratic fiat.
Under 7277, go read it and go look at the graphics.
It shows our military being phased down to nothing as the U.N.-NATO military is built up.
Our helmets get little in the graph.
Their helmets get big.
In the graph.
And then, when they're finally done making you hate the police and the revolution and the takeover, the globalists are in the revolution, they're then going to disarm all the police as well.
dan friesen
I think there's a fake laugh there.
jordan holmes
Fake laugh, yeah.
dan friesen
So what do you think about that?
What do you think about Law 7277?
jordan holmes
It sounds great.
dan friesen
It sure does.
jordan holmes
I want to know what law preceded it.
Like, what was 7276?
And then what was 7278?
Because if 7277 is get rid of the entire military, I feel like one or the other on either side has to be similarly good.
dan friesen
You're asking stupid questions, my friend.
jordan holmes
And then the other one is like, what?
alex jones
Everybody...
jordan holmes
Uses a toilet!
dan friesen
Everybody dance!
That's the next thing.
So we've actually mentioned this a tiny bit before.
I didn't realize that this was such a huge part of Alex Jones' dumb beliefs about the UN.
But what this is is a document that was put out by the State Department.
And it is called Freedom from War, the United States Program for General and Complete Disarmament in a Peaceful World.
It was written and released in September of 1961.
And basically what it lays out is a plan they'd like to see for weapons being taken away.
Not weapons taken away from everybody, but de-escalation of arms.
And one of the reasons for that is they were in the middle of the fucking Cold War.
jordan holmes
I don't understand.
dan friesen
Primarily what it is about is reducing the risk of nuclear war.
It doesn't really have to do with disarming populations as it does with the United States and the fucking Soviet Union getting together and negotiating to not use nukes and to make sure that other countries don't pursue operations and nuclear weapons.
So this is just something that was written by the State Department.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
And it's submitted to the UN.
jordan holmes
It was a wish list to Santa.
dan friesen
It's conceivably submitted to the UN, but one of the things that you can do is you can go to the UN's website.
And you know what they have?
They have minutes of every assembly that they have.
So I went back to the 16th General Assembly.
From 1961.
And look through it.
Is there anything here?
jordan holmes
You can read every single UN general session.
dan friesen
Every one.
jordan holmes
Every single one of them.
dan friesen
Every single one.
Even some of the stuff that seems petty as hell.
Like, they're just making proclamations of stuff.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
That's largely what they do when they have General Assemblies.
unidentified
Right, right, right.
jordan holmes
It's a useless organization.
dan friesen
They generally don't end up saying, like, all right, we're going to disarm everybody.
What they end up doing is that they say, it is our feeling.
That what we should pursue, the people should pursue, is the United States and Soviet Union not using nuclear weapons and shit like that.
jordan holmes
Hey, dear Santa, can we not kill everybody?
dan friesen
Right.
unidentified
Thanks.
dan friesen
So much like the Cloward and Piven nonsense, which is just something that was written up and discussed by professors as just an idea, this was just an idea that was given and made, and the UN didn't even hear it.
It is truly a testament.
jordan holmes
To the laziness of humankind that literally every single UN general session you can go and read and there are still conspiracy theories about it.
dan friesen
Yeah, totally.
jordan holmes
That's fantastic.
dan friesen
I mean, I had the 16th assembly pulled up and the 17th and...
jordan holmes
Oh, the 17th was a good one.
dan friesen
17th was great.
jordan holmes
If I was going to rank all of the UN general assemblies, I would start with 76. That one was amazing.
Now, of course, in the top five is number one, but that's really just a legacy thing.
Like, it's the legend, you know?
It's just that it started the whole thing.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
So, in the General Assembly documents, they have the entire minutes, and it's just stuff like this.
Like, admission of the Republic of Rwanda to membership in the United Nations.
There are things that are proposed, and then they discuss them, and they're all listed in here.
And most of them are really mundane shit.
Some of it is about money.
A lot of it is about dispensation of money, the trusteeship status.
There's stuff about needing to fill positions and stuff like that.
It's the minutes of a boring meeting.
jordan holmes
Oh, that was Order 7276.
dan friesen
But there's also stuff on there about nuclear disarmament and shit.
What Alex talks about, this Rule 7277, is not something that's even passed as a United States law, and it's not something that was even put to the floor in the UN General Assembly.
So it's nothing.
It's just something that someone wrote and was like, eh, don't fuck it.
That's pie-in-the-sky shit.
Don't do this.
jordan holmes
I'm kind of inspired.
I'm kind of inspired by this level of stupidity.
dan friesen
This is what Alex does all the time, though, too.
He doesn't take the context of documents he's citing into account.
The fact that he still cites that one dumbass thing about chemtrails, that long Article 50 that he did on Rogan, it means like...
jordan holmes
Well, that was also something that the virus scientists admitted to him in the hot tub.
dan friesen
Yeah, yeah, of course.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Nefariously.
While he was pointing at him for 20 minutes.
jordan holmes
Now, this is a whole new wrinkle on Alex that I want.
I want actually his show to be in a hot tub.
And just have people say random shit to him.
dan friesen
Well, he's done a couple episodes without his shirt on.
unidentified
It's close.
jordan holmes
That is pretty close.
dan friesen
It's close enough for jazz.
jordan holmes
Now I just imagine every story of his is him in a hot tub.
Do you think he wears a chain?
I feel like he wears a chain when he gets into the hot tub.
dan friesen
Probably.
A huge chain.
jordan holmes
Never wears a chain any other time.
But when you get into a hot tub...
dan friesen
You gotta dress to impress.
jordan holmes
You gotta DJ Khaled that shit.
dan friesen
So, Alex Jones, if you wanted to make some other critiques of the UN, I would be game for them.
Because the UN does have a lot of impotent enforcement of human rights stuff.
And a lot of the employees of the UN have been caught doing some pretty bad shit.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
There are definitely issues, and if you wanted to talk about those in a more realistic way, I'd be all for it.
jordan holmes
I'd say they're like number seven on the international, like number one is FIFA, as far as international corruptness.
Then you go down to...
The IOC, the Olympic Committee.
dan friesen
Uh-huh.
jordan holmes
Then you take one step down and then we're at the NCAA.
dan friesen
Okay.
jordan holmes
And they're so evil, even though they're not international, they're still top three on international corruption lists.
dan friesen
Right.
And number 10, 11, somewhere down there is globalists.
alex jones
Right, right, right.
dan friesen
Fake globalists.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right.
Number 12, AT&T.
Weird.
Weird thing.
dan friesen
I'd like to propose Sprint.
Not a fan.
Anyway, in this next clip, Alex Jones talks about some of the other stuff that he thinks that the UN does.
alex jones
He doesn't look like a gang banger.
dan friesen
All right.
I apologize.
jordan holmes
There we go.
dan friesen
That does sound bad, that voice.
But this isn't about the UN.
This is about someone had made a facetious argument about...
Killing kids up till three years of age or something like that.
It was more of a thought experiment than anything else.
It wasn't a serious proposal in any sense.
jordan holmes
I think it should be.
dan friesen
Well, you're alone in that opinion.
Fair enough.
Well, I got at least one more.
Yeah.
Whoever made this facetious argument, end you.
unidentified
Yeah.
alex jones
He doesn't look like a gang banger.
jordan holmes
The way he says it, it means the other thing.
alex jones
I mean, everybody knows.
jordan holmes
Not the thing he thinks.
alex jones
But if you're wearing a sports jacket and a nice shirt and calling for dead babies, I mean, that's liberal.
And I could just imagine that I'm with him.
I wonder what a slide used to imagine I'm with the New World Order.
dan friesen
Right there is a problem for his future.
jordan holmes
Sometimes I just like to imagine I'm with the New World Order.
Does he list all the things that he did for Trump?
dan friesen
Well, that's exactly what I'm thinking.
He's showing some signs like, I want to be on a fucking team.
I'm sick of this.
Everyone thinks I'm a dick.
jordan holmes
I have a dream.
I want to sell pills.
I'm sick of this gold shit.
Gold isn't going anywhere.
dan friesen
At this point, I think it's still Yongevity.
Your favorite Yongevity.
But here we go.
jordan holmes
Love Yongevity.
dan friesen
Let's see where he goes with these thoughts of wanting to be part of a team.
alex jones
As they poison, as they destroy my future, as they do all this.
I just imagine I'm part of it, and I watch the State of the Union and look at Obama, and oh, he's for me.
Oh, he likes me.
Oh, I've got a newborn baby coming.
I'm going to go give it a bunch of shots.
And then the baby's 18 months old, walking around, getting a laugh, and it gets the next round, and then has convulsions and never talks again.
But that's not the shots.
The government loves me.
The government is a loving group.
unidentified
Okay.
alex jones
Okay, let me just stop.
The new magazine is out, and it's selling very, very quickly, and of eight issues, we've sold out on five of them.
God damn it, Dan!
dan friesen
Smooth stuff.
unidentified
You son of a bitch!
dan friesen
Smooth stuff.
So he's selling a magazine back at this point.
At this point, he's selling a magazine.
He has an InfoWars magazine.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
Full glossy spreads of, I don't know what.
jordan holmes
So you mean he was right on time and getting into the print industry?
dan friesen
Absolutely.
So here's where he gets back to the UN troops.
jordan holmes
What's in this magazine?
dan friesen
I don't fucking know.
I should get all of them.
jordan holmes
Yeah, absolutely.
dan friesen
Yeah, for my collection, I should have every InfoWars magazine.
alex jones
I know you see Miss America up there saying, I love the UN, and shirts of little starving kids, and oh, the UN's helping.
The UN's there cutting their food off, and then once they've already killed most of them, they'll have a photo op giving some kids some food.
The UN in Rwanda helped kill a million people, on record.
No.
You can type in UN troops killing children, and if you've got the nerve to look at it, it's barbecuing them, raping them.
Roasting them over fires, beating their brains out.
They were there with machine guns set up when they had what was the Hutus killing the Tutsis, the Christian minority.
And then they tried to get out of the camps.
They would run them to refugee camps.
The U.N. would then pull out and wait with heavy machine guns because they didn't want to spend too many bullets.
A human's not worth a bullet.
And then they would send in the one tribe to hack them up.
Yeah, there's the Guardian.
UN troops stand by and watch carnage.
They didn't stand by and watch.
They run the operations.
dan friesen
So, Alex thinks Rwanda was a false flag.
Right.
That's rough.
jordan holmes
No, that sounds right.
dan friesen
I'd like to read to you from this article about...
jordan holmes
If you Google, if you type in the exact words he says...
dan friesen
Nothing comes up.
jordan holmes
Do not...
Even if something did come up, don't trust the first link on that, because that's somebody who is saying exactly those words, and you can't trust somebody who says those words.
dan friesen
So this is a conversation that the Guardian had with a lady named Helena Nuitzina.
She was in Rwanda when the UN peacekeeping soldiers were there, and here is a quote from her that really indicates what one of the bigger issues was with the UN response.
We could not believe that the United Nations was just going to let us die.
We were always hearing on the radio how they were there to help us.
But when the killers were looking us in the eye and saying we were going to die, what did the UN do?
It saved white people.
That's really the issue.
jordan holmes
Oh, man.
dan friesen
That's really more the issue of the response that they had.
There was not enough resources.
There wasn't enough troops.
Or even the motivation necessarily to resolve the issue.
They bungled it.
If you go back and listen to interviews with Romeo Dallaire, the guy who was the head of the troops there, it's some of the most heartbreaking stuff to hear him talk about what he wanted to do and what he wasn't able to do.
That sort of stuff is terrifying to hear.
And if Alex wants to make the argument metaphorically that the UN had a part in killing of, I think it was 800,000 people, not a million, but if he wants to make that argument, yes, it is true in the sense that they didn't do what they could have done.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
But it's not true in the sense that they were barbecuing children.
Right.
jordan holmes
Now, can Alex get me in touch with that viral scientist?
Question number one.
dan friesen
I don't know.
jordan holmes
Question number two.
Is there a way to devise a virus that only kills white people?
Question number three.
All of them?
dan friesen
He did say that he gave the other guys Rob Dew's email address, but probably not the authoritarian, I would imagine.
jordan holmes
See, now I feel like they should.
dan friesen
So Alex Jones is stupid.
And in this next clip, he goes on to teach you how to not be a patsy.
alex jones
Don't take part in drills where you play the part of a radical Islamic terrorist.
Or a radical right-wing terrorist because one day you're going to drive a real truck of explosives onto a military base.
Or if they pick a federal building that's got a daycare.
There's not many of them.
There's a good chance you better check in the back of that truck.
That's going to be real explosive.
And you're going to go down in history as the right-winger who secretly worked for Al-Qaeda.
And again, new listeners are going, well, that makes no sense.
I mean, if they told people to throw their kids off cliffs to prove they didn't like al-Qaeda, right-wingers would do it.
I mean, it's a total phobia.
They love hating Muslims.
It's a religion.
That's why it's so funny.
jordan holmes
Fake laugh.
alex jones
It's so sick.
jordan holmes
Fake laugh.
dan friesen
I think that might be a real laugh.
And he also admitted that right-wingers hate Muslims.
jordan holmes
Yeah, they hate Al-Qaeda.
dan friesen
No, he said Muslims.
jordan holmes
Well, yeah, they hate Muslims too, but that's because all Muslims are in Al-Qaeda.
I remember this time period.
dan friesen
According to right-wingers.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
So this is also a part of a bigger thing that he's talking about that he's like, it's so silly, they're going to try and say that right-wingers are working with Al-Qaeda, which is ironic because now his entire argument is that the left is working with Al-Qaeda.
jordan holmes
Right, well, we were.
And are.
dan friesen
Right.
unidentified
What?
jordan holmes
What fantasy camp are you going to where you're like, oh, okay, well, what we're going to do is we're going to get into drills and pretend to be terrorists?
dan friesen
Well, that's what he thinks happened with Oklahoma City.
He thinks that...
jordan holmes
That was a drill that...
dan friesen
Timothy McVeigh thought it was a fake thing.
He was sheep-dipped, as Alex likes to say.
He was just a good guy.
He was a good guy.
Just a normal...
Good guy who they had go be a part of white supremacist violent anti-tax organizations to sheep dip him and make him look bad so when they ran the drill that he didn't know was real, he thought it was a drill.
jordan holmes
But why would he do the drill?
dan friesen
Who's putting together this drill?
jordan holmes
What purpose could this drill serve?
dan friesen
I think the purpose of the drill would be, in theory, to catch other people who want to bomb something.
I think that's what he thinks.
He never really spells it out.
Alex doesn't really get...
This is a bad drill.
It's bad.
It's dumb.
unidentified
I don't like this.
dan friesen
But it's the only way that Alex Jones can wiggle his way out of white crime.
unidentified
Right, right, right.
dan friesen
And white terrorism.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
And so that's what he does.
He makes it that far.
He's like, no, no, no.
Timothy McVeigh was set up.
It was a setup.
And he wasn't even a white supremacist, man.
I know he was at those weird militia meetings and stuff.
I know that people have testified that they saw him there.
But that's just because he was getting sheep dipped.
Because the military had to make him look.
They look like the bad guy.
unidentified
Right.
jordan holmes
It's so stupid.
But then in the next sentence, he talks about how right-wingers will do anything.
dan friesen
They'll throw their baby off the roof.
unidentified
They'll throw the baby off the roof to prove that they hate Al-Qaeda.
dan friesen
Right.
It doesn't make sense.
jordan holmes
So yeah, I mean, well then in that case, you could totally, you wouldn't even need to sell them on the drill.
You could have just been like, hey, Al-Qaeda lives in there.
unidentified
Go!
Yeah!
jordan holmes
Yeah!
alex jones
Get in there!
dan friesen
So, in this next clip, Alex tells us what dangers await us in the future.
Spoiler alert.
They're very dumb.
alex jones
We must be totally divided into racial and religious and ethnic sub-districts to then be ruled right out of Hunger Games by floating fortresses.
jordan holmes
Susan is getting a lot of work.
alex jones
Everyone is now ready for that because it's what they've been taught.
And the way they're going to kill us is with blimps at 120,000 feet with microwaves on them.
And they just flood your city and microwave your city by grids.
Everybody wonders why they die a year later of cancer.
And that's all official.
Alexander Haig wrote about it 20 years ago.
I saw him bragging about it 16, 7, no, I saw him 20 years ago.
He wrote about it 25 years ago.
dan friesen
So Alexander Haig is the former Secretary of State during Nixon.
jordan holmes
And inventor of the blimp.
dan friesen
He didn't.
Well, I didn't invent a blimp, but if you look into what the truth is here, it's actually super interesting.
So after Alexander Haig was involved in government, got into private life, he decided to get a bunch of people together and start a business called Sky Station.
And so what they were doing is that they were creating these giant balloons for telecommunications that would have advantages over giant...
Satellites out in space.
They would fly lower, and they would provide internet coverage for entire cities.
jordan holmes
That's a great idea.
dan friesen
And they would provide...
jordan holmes
Probably unworkable, though.
dan friesen
And they would provide a relay point for phones and stuff like that that would be much more effective.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
And so him and some scientists got together, and they tried to get this done, and it just didn't work out.
jordan holmes
And very quickly they were like, ooh!
dan friesen
Yeah, it didn't work out.
Not a good idea.
What, would you tether it?
jordan holmes
You would have to tether it, but then it's gonna move.
dan friesen
No, because they're giant.
jordan holmes
I mean...
dan friesen
I don't know.
Look, the reason that it hasn't been done...
jordan holmes
No, I want to verify this blimp story.
dan friesen
No, the blimp story, part of it is real in the sense that, like, they...
We're trying to make a fucking huge blimp.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
But it was for internet stuff.
It was way ahead of its time.
jordan holmes
I prefer this, Alex.
The Alex who's afraid of blimps.
Those were the good old days.
This was back when it was golden, man.
dan friesen
So here's from a 2014 article in Newsweek.
The system they developed had promise.
One blimp at 65,000 feet above a city could have served all of the 1990s level internet traffic from the city.
Yeah.
Nothing's come of it.
unidentified
Oh.
dan friesen
So, they aren't trying to microwave...
jordan holmes
Let's revive the blimp idea.
dan friesen
They weren't trying to microwave fry people.
They were trying to find ways to service populations with...
jordan holmes
All right.
New investment opportunity.
Knowledge Fight Blimp Internet Service.
dan friesen
Okay.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Well, I think we're going to run into the same problem Sky Station did.
jordan holmes
No, this podcast, not the way to make money.
Blimp Startup.
That's what we got to do.
We'll brand it with Knowledge Fight.
dan friesen
All right.
unidentified
It'll be gold.
dan friesen
All right.
Let's not talk any more of it, lest someone steal our ideas.
Our brilliant ideas.
jordan holmes
Our blimpient ideas.
dan friesen
Speaking of brilliant ideas, this next clip, Alex gets a call from a guy.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
And they talk about how the water's being poisoned.
But then, this caller has a really interesting idea for a new segment on Alex's show.
jordan holmes
Blimp Talk!
alex jones
Well, that's a mental illness, and they're the authorities.
Hey, look, they put hormones in the water.
To feminize men.
jordan holmes
Of course.
alex jones
And so if you gave those hormones to bulls, they would act docile.
We're under chemical warfare.
I mean, the White House science czar admits they put stuff in the water.
Nope.
Ecoscience, he's written a couple other books.
This is all a fact.
dan friesen
Nope.
alex jones
And even now as it comes out, they drug the water.
They go, yeah, we're going to drug it more now.
We're going to put lithium in to make you behave.
I mean, these people are flaming authoritarian monsters.
And that's where the men went, brother.
unidentified
I agree with you, but I do think there are still a lot of men in the country, and I know they're out there listening right now, and I want to speak to them for just a moment.
And my idea for the show is for these people to call in.
Just a short segment of your show, when you do have callers, call in, and we want to hear from the men in this country, because I know they're out there.
I'm calling right now, man.
I'm one of them.
I'm making videos on YouTube.
I'm speaking to people.
I'm telling you, like, I'm fighting hard, man.
I'm fighting up here.
I'm fighting with you guys.
And you guys down there need to know you got brothers in the trench up here in Canada.
Big time.
We're together and I'm here to fight with you, man.
jordan holmes
Is there going to be an armed resurrection or revolution in insurrection?
dan friesen
Possibly.
Of the men.
I love that.
The idea that he'd have a segment on his show.
Alright, we're taking calls only from real men.
This segment, only real men call in.
unidentified
So ridiculous.
jordan holmes
I think emotional vulnerability is one of the things that makes me...
dan friesen
Oh, you're out.
jordan holmes
I think the strength to open up and ask for help.
I think maybe the biggest test of manhood is the ability to accept...
dan friesen
Click, it's push-ups.
Speaking of real men, though, in his next clip.
Alex Jones talks about a couple of...
jordan holmes
Tim Allen.
dan friesen
In this clip, Alex talks about a couple of real men, right?
Real men.
alex jones
But, I mean, you read the whole life of Andrew Jackson and Davy Crockett.
Davy Crockett was trying to basically imitate Andrew Jackson.
He was the big icon.
Of all the battles and wars and stabbings and shootings and, you know, shot three times, stabbed, bleeding for a week straight, refusing to die.
jordan holmes
Could you stop jerking off?
alex jones
I mean, just tough as nails.
Andrew Jackson.
dan friesen
So I know you hate Andrew Jackson.
jordan holmes
I hate Andrew Jackson.
dan friesen
And you'll be thrilled to learn that so did Davy Crockett.
unidentified
laughter laughter Ha, ha, ha, ha.
Ha, ha, ha, ha.
dan friesen
Of course you did.
Davy Crockett, he's known as the man of the wild frontier and all that.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
He's known for all that shit.
But in addition to that, he served in the House.
He was a politician for a bit.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
And in this time there, he fucking hated Andrew Jackson.
jordan holmes
Well, yeah, but he modeled his life after.
dan friesen
Absolutely not.
In particular, he was so mad at Andrew Jackson for his treatment of Native Americans.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Because Davy Crockett, he loved Native Americans.
unidentified
No, and he spoke multiple languages and traded with them all the time.
jordan holmes
That was kind of one of the big things that he did.
dan friesen
Absolutely.
jordan holmes
But is there anything more Andrew Jacksonian than hating Andrew Jackson?
dan friesen
You might have a decent point there.
jordan holmes
There we go.
dan friesen
But he was super passionately against the Indian Removal Act of 1830 that Andrew Jackson was trying to pass, and that led them to be like, Pretty serious enemies.
And beyond that, he had a lot of ideas about how Andrew Jackson was dealing with finances and the banks and stuff like that.
jordan holmes
Do you mean poorly?
dan friesen
Yeah, and so he butted heads with him about that.
He is a politician who very seriously got into rows with Andrew Jackson.
So the idea that he was emulating him and trying to be him...
Also, they're only like eight years apart or something like that.
They're like...
They were born pretty close to each other, and the only time that they really come together is in the Tennessee militia in 1802.
The two of them served there together.
But then Alex is just jacking off more because he loves Andrew Jackson for whatever reason.
jordan holmes
And he loves graphic descriptions of violence.
dan friesen
And Davy Crockett apparently also died at the Alamo, like our friend Colonel Travis.
And so he just becomes a default hero.
For Alex.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
When, you know, if you look into the reality...
jordan holmes
He's a wonderful name to throw into whatever argument that he wants to have.
unidentified
You know, David Crockett, he loved Trump.
jordan holmes
Like, sure, fine, whatever, you're making this shit up.
dan friesen
Yeah, yeah, you're playing an imaginary game.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
So, at this point in the show, on April 2nd, Alex Jones starts talking about people lugging guns across mountains.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
He's talking about how men used to be men.
jordan holmes
Like Hannibal and Carthage?
dan friesen
More recently, American dudes.
jordan holmes
Oh, okay.
dan friesen
Like lugging cannons at, I don't know, I can't remember any of the names of the battles.
But he's saying that stuff, and then he gets to this.
alex jones
That compared to fat little blobs, and I mean spiritually fat, but they were fat, pointing, and they would walk up and go, ah-ha, ah-ha-ha, into a fake laugh, like, oh, whoa, like the collectivist that came up to me when I was at a resort for Easter at a family reunion this weekend.
And I was in the hot tub, and I'm talking about, yeah, the tyranny and their listeners.
Will they take our bank accounts here?
And oh my God, how bad will it get?
And the Republican leadership's controlled.
There's a guy sitting there for 20 minutes.
He gets up and goes, you're all going to fail.
We're taking over.
Nothing can stop us.
He heard us talking about authoritarianism and how dangerous it was.
And he wanted to get up and celebrate and point his finger and go, you're right, we're taking over.
And I go, who are you?
I'm a government professor scientist in viruses.
And he smiled and I went, oh my God, you're a population reductionist eugenicist.
And I said, you know, you got taken down in the basement of the facility when you were, you know, getting good grades in college and brought into it, and he was like...
unidentified
Getting good grades?
dan friesen
No, no, no, no.
Don't interrupt this at all.
You must hear this nonsense.
alex jones
When you were, you know, getting good grades in college and brought into it, and he was like, who, what, where did you...
That got thrown out, though, by the time I got older.
I hit him one time.
He was like, oh, wait, wait, you know about the club I'm in?
I'm like, of course I know who you are.
Folks, they're going to kill hundreds of millions of us.
They got re-education camps, official FEMA documents.
This is real history happening.
Of course I know the enemy.
I make it my business to know the enemy.
dan friesen
You make it your business to lie about people who, at least in this case, probably don't exist.
jordan holmes
By the way...
The moment that he said, stood up pointing, I started pointing myself.
It is really hard to hold it for this long.
dan friesen
20 minutes.
jordan holmes
20 minutes is a long time.
dan friesen
It's a ridiculous amount of time.
jordan holmes
That's a good workout.
dan friesen
Yeah, absolutely.
It's like doing a plank.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I'm starting to go numb.
dan friesen
So, the story's changed now.
Alex tells him...
jordan holmes
You know about what club I'm in?
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
I play bridge on Fridays!
dan friesen
You know why he throws that in, though?
It's to combine it with his narratives about his dad.
How, like, the globalists tried to recruit his dad when he was younger.
unidentified
Right, right, right, right.
dan friesen
And now he can weave that into this narrative and be like, I confirmed it by confronting this authoritarian virus scientist.
unidentified
I hit him with one thing and he was like, Oh, no!
jordan holmes
Oh, no!
They got us!
They're on to us!
I shouldn't have stood up, pointed, and revealed who I am.
dan friesen
Right.
I don't think that there's, first of all, I mean, none of this is real, but there's no way that if that happened, Alex wouldn't, he told the story three fucking times in the first day.
Why isn't this piece in it?
unidentified
Why isn't that?
dan friesen
It's because you give it another day and you tell it a little bit different.
jordan holmes
He starts adding little embellishments.
I like it.
dan friesen
What a load of shit.
jordan holmes
He's fleshing it out like Susan Collins in The Hunger Games.
dan friesen
Right.
Took her a long time to rip off that book.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
So we have one more clip, Jordan, here in April 2nd.
A little tight episode here.
A little hour longer for the people.
But in this next clip, Alex Jones wants you to know...
He's basically...
Sort of doing his own version of that song, That Don't Impress Me Much.
That Shania Twain song.
jordan holmes
Yes.
unidentified
So you got a hot car that don't impress me much.
dan friesen
That's kind of how he starts.
jordan holmes
I like your lead-in to the chorus there.
Hey, you got a good car.
That don't impress me much.
dan friesen
That's kind of how the song goes.
jordan holmes
You gave a little stink to that don't impress me much.
unidentified
Yeah, of course.
dan friesen
Look, Shania Twain's great.
Also, I didn't pull the clip of it because I was running out of time, but at one point in this episode, Alex does recite the lyrics to Hurt.
jordan holmes
The whole thing?
dan friesen
No, just maybe a verse.
jordan holmes
Oh, okay.
Is this after...
dan friesen
I don't know the time frame.
Anyway, Alex Jones is not impressed by worldly things.
alex jones
I mean, you know what I want?
I mean, I see somebody with a giant diamond ring, doesn't excite me.
I see somebody with a big mansion, doesn't excite me.
I see somebody defeating tyrants.
I get butterflies, I get tears in my eyes, and I want to meet them.
dan friesen
He's fake and crying at this point, too.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
alex jones
I really do.
Because I take all this personal, ladies and gentlemen, and you should, too.
My freedom is personal.
My children's future, such darling little good people, is up to me.
It's up to you.
It's up to us together.
And I take it real personal.
So take it personal with me.
Get a prisonplanet.tv membership.
God damn it!
unidentified
God damn it!
jordan holmes
How can you do that?
dan friesen
That's amazing.
unidentified
For fuck's sakes!
jordan holmes
God, what the fuck?
That one hurt.
That one literally hurt me.
I am physically pained.
dan friesen
That one's next level because it involves fake crying.
jordan holmes
The future of my children won't be secure unless you buy Prison Planet t-shirts.
dan friesen
Well, it's even worse than that because he's like, I take it real personally because of my children.
Sweet, sweet darlings.
So take it personally with me.
jordan holmes
And buy a t-shirt.
I'm sick of taking it personally.
Now I would like to take it professionally, please.
dan friesen
On the level of how I find words to be like, speaking of blank, that style of transitioning.
He did do that, and I appreciate it on that level.
jordan holmes
Technically, yes.
dan friesen
The fact that he's playing my game, I love it.
That's fine.
Speaking of taking things personally.
Holy shit, that's disgraceful.
That's next level stuff.
jordan holmes
That one was good.
dan friesen
Damn.
jordan holmes
That one made me feel all good.
dan friesen
So that brings us to the end of April 1st and 2nd.
Alex Jones has...
Met an authoritarian in a hot tub.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
Lied about it a bunch.
jordan holmes
Multiple times.
dan friesen
We found out that Steve Pachanek, one of the big pieces of his Sandy Hook narrative, is the Hunger Games.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
We've learned that Alex Jones lies a lot about the UN in very specific ways.
jordan holmes
Don't participate in any right-wing terrorism drills.
dan friesen
I don't think our audience needed to know that.
jordan holmes
If anybody offers you, like, hey, you want to be a right-wing terrorist for a day?
Do not say yes.
dan friesen
You want a fake bomb?
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah.
Don't say yes.
dan friesen
No, no.
Also, I guess we learned that we're all going to die because of blimps.
jordan holmes
Well, yeah, but we all knew that.
If anybody's ever watched a steampunk anime, they knew we were all going to die from blimps.
dan friesen
And Alex Jones knows nothing about Davia Crockett.
So, that brings us to the end of the show!
It's been fun.
So, what's going to happen is tomorrow, as this comes out, this will come out on Tuesday, and then on Wednesday, we will put out the live episode.
And, get this, there's more to the story.
of the live episode than just what we covered on the live episode.
jordan holmes
We could only go over by a half hour of our already...
dan friesen
The narrative goes on.
There's a fuller picture that we'll explore on Thursday night.
We'll do it live and it'll come out on Friday.
So there'll be part two of whatever it is we covered at the live show.
Nice tease.
Thanks.
That's the schedule for the week.
Really appreciate everybody listening.
If you want to check us out, you can go to our website, knowledgefight.com.
jordan holmes
Yeah, you can follow us on Twitter.
It's at knowledge underscore fight.
unidentified
Correct.
dan friesen
We're on Facebook.
jordan holmes
We are on Facebook.
You could go to iTunes.
You could say nice things.
Leave a review.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Do the thing.
dan friesen
Yeah.
You can do all those things.
jordan holmes
Yeah, you can do all those things.
dan friesen
If you'd like to support the show, you can click on knowledgefight.com.
jordan holmes
Oh yeah, do we have an update on...
dan friesen
We're still hovering around 70% of the way to our monthly goal, which, I mean, we got another eight days?
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Eight days or so?
So if you want to donate and make us cover Endgame, we will do that if we get there.
jordan holmes
We would have thrown the take-in from what we made at the playground.
dan friesen
But we got nothing.
jordan holmes
But we did not get paid.
unidentified
We did not get paid.
dan friesen
Fair, quite frankly.
I'm not mad at them.
jordan holmes
At the same time, that might be their financing strategy is just nobody's here to pay you.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
It's just an empty building.
dan friesen
Yeah, yeah.
Also, no one's there at the box office.
Yeah, that's true.
unidentified
Nobody was there.
dan friesen
But anyway, yeah, so that's where we're at.
If you want to support, you can go to knowledgefight.com, click support the show, become a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
For sure.
dan friesen
We would appreciate it.
But, Jordan.
jordan holmes
I will tell you.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
I will tell you today.
You inspired me.
dan friesen
Okay.
jordan holmes
Because Andrew Jackson can go fuck himself.
dan friesen
I agree.
alex jones
Andy in Kansas, you're on the air.
Thanks for holding.
unidentified
Hello, Alex.
jordan holmes
I'm a first-time caller.
unidentified
I'm a huge fan.
I love your work.
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