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#121: April 1-2, 2013

April 1-2, 2013 Alex Jones episode dissects his unverified hot tub "authoritarian operative" encounter, misinterpreted Cold War-era Public Law 7277, and absurd claims like microwave-equipped blimps targeting cities. Dan Friesen and Jordan Holmes expose his Davy Crockett/Alamo hero-worshipping, Sandy Hook false flag lies, and FEMA conspiracy embellishments, while mocking his performative anti-globalist rants. Jones’s narrative collapses under scrutiny, revealing a pattern of manufactured fear and financial appeals to his Prisonplanet.tv audience—ultimately exposing his media tactics as more about spectacle than substance. [Automatically generated summary]

Participants
Main
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alex jones
infowars 15:22
d
dan friesen
29:03
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jordan holmes
13:55
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steve pieczenik
00:27
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Speaker Time Text
alex jones
Andy in Kansas, you're on the air.
Thanks for holding.
unidentified
Hello, Alex.
I'm a first-time caller.
I'm a huge fan.
alex jones
I love your work.
I love you.
dan friesen
Hey, everybody.
Welcome back to Knowledge Fight.
I'm Dan.
unidentified
I'm Jordan.
dan friesen
We're a couple of dudes who like to sit around, drink novelty beverages, and talk a little bit about Alex Jones.
jordan holmes
That is what we do.
Dan, is there some sort of reason, some sort of a compelling force that would make you listen to this show?
dan friesen
No, it's that I know a lot about Alex Jones.
jordan holmes
I don't know anything about Alex Jones.
dan friesen
Right, there's our dynamic.
That's the fun.
Guys, today we are going to be talking about an episode as we go to the next one.
jordan holmes
Hey, way to thank all the people who came out to our live show, Dan.
dan friesen
I was going to transition to that.
alex jones
Come on.
dan friesen
That was going to be my next thing.
I hope that you have beat me to it.
jordan holmes
Jump to it.
Yes.
dan friesen
Thank you to everybody who came out to the live show.
It was super awesome to meet some folks.
jordan holmes
It was a shit ton of fun.
dan friesen
Yeah, it was great.
jordan holmes
It was a wonderful time.
dan friesen
And the episode that we had.
jordan holmes
I don't know if you guys liked it, but I'll be goddamned if I didn't have a great time.
dan friesen
You had a blast.
The recording of that will be out tomorrow.
We had a lot of editing that had to be done to make it sound nice.
But also thanks to the theater playground letting us do that.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I liked the way they let us run the show, which it seemed like when we started the show, everybody just left.
There was the sound guy, and then there was nobody else there.
dan friesen
Yeah, absolutely.
It was wild stuff.
But anyway, I have no idea if there were more employees.
It was weird.
I don't think so.
I felt lost.
jordan holmes
Oh, yeah, no.
There was no rules.
dan friesen
And in that lostness, I kind of forgot to make one of the big points that I wanted to make.
Yes.
And let this relate to the episode that will air tomorrow.
jordan holmes
And that point is we could have stolen fucking everything.
dan friesen
Probably.
But also that the point that I wanted to make about Alex Jones in that episode, especially, and I think it relates to almost everything else, is that he never takes the time to get stories right.
You know what I'm saying?
And that's one of the most dangerous things that people in media and especially people in persuasive media.
jordan holmes
Yeah, he shoots from the hip.
dan friesen
Right.
And he just, like, he knows, in this case, he knows he has like two days or so to get a story out before the facts refute it.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Anyway, this isn't going to make sense because the live show isn't out yet.
No one is listening to this.
Has listened to it, but keep that in mind.
That is a really good thing.
jordan holmes
To everybody who's listened thus far, pause it.
Wait for tomorrow's show and then listen to us on Thursday.
dan friesen
Don't do that.
unidentified
Okay.
dan friesen
But anyway, I would also like to say a thank you, first of all, I mean, again, to the people who came to the show, and then also to a new technocrat.
jordan holmes
Oh, shit!
dan friesen
We got a new donor.
I really appreciate it.
Thank you so much, John C. I'm a policy wonk.
unidentified
Four stars.
alex jones
Go home to your mother and tell her you're brilliant.
Someone, sodomite, sent me a bucket of poop.
Daddy Sharp.
Bomb, Jarjar Binks has a Caribbean black accent.
unidentified
He's a loser, little, little kitty baby.
alex jones
I don't want to hate black people.
I renounce Jesus Christ.
dan friesen
Fine.
Thank you, John C.
We appreciate it so much.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much, John C.
dan friesen
So, Jordan, today what we're going to be doing is a little bit of reclamation on my part.
Right.
So in the preparation.
jordan holmes
I'm giving back lands to the Native American.
dan friesen
No, I'm reclaiming some of my time.
Oh, okay.
I spent a large amount of time trying to find an episode to do for the live show.
And in doing so, I ended up listening to, I think I said it was like 12 or 13 episodes of the show.
jordan holmes
It was some ridiculous.
It was like 40 hours.
dan friesen
Yeah, it was a long time.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
You put a full-time jobs into it.
dan friesen
And so what I wanted to do here is I wanted to take some time to go over some of the stuff that didn't end up in the live show.
There was some stuff that was still worth it, but I thought, like, this isn't for the live show.
jordan holmes
Right, right.
dan friesen
And so today what we'll be doing is we'll be going over April 1st and 2nd of 2013.
unidentified
Okay.
dan friesen
This is something that I found that was, because I searched every April Fool's Day.
unidentified
Of course.
dan friesen
Because I thought that might be some fun.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
And it wasn't really, it wasn't the kind of fun I was looking for.
jordan holmes
Like most April Fool's Days.
dan friesen
Exactly.
And so on this first, this April 1st of 2013, Alex Jones tells a story through most of the show.
And it's one of the best things I've ever experienced.
This story is nuts.
And it's about a vacation that he had taken recently.
jordan holmes
This is an autobiographical story.
dan friesen
This is the Halloween story all over.
jordan holmes
He's dressing like a Nazi again.
dan friesen
Not quite, but we're going to get a number of versions of this story.
And it's exciting.
I love it.
Here's the first one.
alex jones
And then when we come back, I'll briefly tell the story, start the next hour, and take your calls and get into all this news.
Again, I had family in town this weekend at kind of a small family reunion out at a little resort outside Austin.
And I went to that and I was there about half the time because I had company at my house.
And I just was in the hot tub and all three of these guys were listeners.
One guy was from Portland, Oregon, an engineer.
The other two were businessmen because one was in construction.
The other was another kind of business.
dan friesen
I forget.
alex jones
We just had a discussion about how do we fix America?
How do we wake folks up to the bankrupting, you know, the bank stealing the money in Cyprus?
Cyprus.
jordan holmes
Yes, how dare you do that?
alex jones
This guy gets out of the pool and looks at us and says, we're going to get you, and you can't stop us.
It was just so creepy.
jordan holmes
Wait, what?
alex jones
It was a pirate right there.
Now, the natural thing to do is, man, these people are dangerous.
dan friesen
They're dangerous.
jordan holmes
They know.
alex jones
They know what they're doing.
dan friesen
All right.
jordan holmes
Okay, so if I understand this story correctly.
dan friesen
Yes.
jordan holmes
He's in a hot tub.
Three guys.
unidentified
Yes.
jordan holmes
All three of them were listeners.
dan friesen
Listeners.
They love the show.
jordan holmes
They're all talking.
They're all figuring out how to solve America's problems.
Also, Cyprus' problems.
dan friesen
Sure, sure.
jordan holmes
It's about time somebody did that.
dan friesen
Well, because they're all listeners, they know that Cyprus's problems are our problems because of the globalists.
jordan holmes
Yes, exactly.
dan friesen
Right, right.
jordan holmes
Right.
And then one of them.
dan friesen
No, no, no.
A different guy.
jordan holmes
No, see, I didn't hear him introduce a different guy.
dan friesen
I know too much.
It's a different guy.
unidentified
Okay.
jordan holmes
See, now I heard him just say, and then one of them stood up and said, we're going to get you.
dan friesen
Different guy.
jordan holmes
Different guy.
dan friesen
All right.
Different guy.
jordan holmes
Because I'm hoping for a secret globalist in this situation.
dan friesen
Well, you might be thrilled with where this goes, but it's not a secret globalist inso much as it's one of the people he's hanging out with in the hot tub.
jordan holmes
One of the three fictional listeners that I'm sure exist entirely in his head.
dan friesen
So there's another guy.
Of course.
And he's like, aha, I'm going to get you.
jordan holmes
How long was he there for?
dan friesen
What do you mean?
The other guy?
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Full time.
jordan holmes
Though he was there the whole time?
dan friesen
Look, we'll get more details as this goes on.
jordan holmes
Okay.
Never mind.
That's fine.
That's fine.
This story, there's some red flags.
dan friesen
Right, but he was going out to break at this point, so he didn't have time to fully flesh out the story.
So now he comes back from break, and he has a chance to give this story a couple more layers of detail.
jordan holmes
He's going to retell the story immediately after break.
dan friesen
Oh, yeah.
A couple more layers of detail.
alex jones
And, you know, I told the guys in the hot tub after this establishment authoritarian collaborator left, and I was in that hot tub.
I gave him Rob Dew's email because he's good at reading his email.
And I said, later in the week, we'll get Robinson if you want to tell the story of what you saw because it's so unbelievable.
unidentified
We're all calmly sitting there in a hot tub.
dan friesen
I like that Alex admits that this is unbelievable.
To the best of my knowledge, he does not have them on top of that.
jordan holmes
To corroborate a story.
dan friesen
And even if they did, I still don't believe it.
alex jones
A hot tub going, I don't know how we bring together the country.
I don't know how we unify people around the Bill of Rights and Constitution and the cyber situation.
They're going to suck our accounts dry here.
You know, it's the Federal Reserve.
It's the crony capitalist.
How do we get our industry back?
And, you know, one guy worked in utility contracting.
He was talking about how they were shutting the power plants down.
And it's all about saving America and unity.
These guys were all successful.
One was an electrical engineer.
The other guys were successful in business.
You know, one guy, you know, has a payroll of a quarter million dollars a month.
The other guy, you know, paid $300,000.
He was saying in taxes to the feds last year.
And we're sitting there in the hot tub.
I'm watching my kids off running around and stuff at the pool.
My wife's over there in the pool.
dan friesen
Unnecessary details.
jordan holmes
Wait, so this is midday.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
I'm imagining a later night like everybody's drinking.
Everybody's got a cocktail.
No, this is midday.
Sun shining.
Beautiful, gorgeous day.
Wife and kids in the pool over there.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
Alex as far away from them as he can possibly get.
dan friesen
He'll still be listening.
jordan holmes
And imaginary globalist.
unidentified
Okay.
alex jones
And this guy gets in the tub, and I said, man, that guy's an authoritarian.
The way he was about 67 years old, he said he was later when we talked to him.
He had a baseball cap on.
And he was sitting there very elitist.
And I was talking about China and the suicide nets and the mass extermination.
And he goes, hey, China's doing a great job.
It's not a problem.
Have you read this professor's book?
And we're bringing in globalism to end the violence.
Of course, there'll be some problems on the road to it.
And I was like, whoa, you mean Fabian socialism?
Bringing the whole government to some violence, but after it'll all be fixed.
And he didn't know who I was, or he said he didn't.
And he gets out of the hot tub and he leans over and he goes, The age of the white man is over.
White man.
We're taking over.
The demographics have changed, and we're going to get everything.
jordan holmes
Wait, wasn't he an old white man?
alex jones
Your guns, everything.
And he said, you've lost.
And we're like, we've lost.
We're talking about mega banks draining everybody's accounts.
We want to build productivity.
Because it was four white guys in the hot tub.
And I'm like, you're here at a resort enjoying the free market.
This stuff doesn't exist in socialist countries and places that have become corrupt.
It falls apart.
jordan holmes
You are the worst comment.
alex jones
And he said, like I said, what you say doesn't matter.
We control things now.
We control the narrative.
And I went, what do you do?
And he goes, I'm a government scientist in viruses.
And he smiles and I go, oh, my God, you think there's too many people.
And he's like, you bet there is.
And I went, oh, my gosh.
He goes, I don't know who you are, and you don't count.
And the other guy said, obviously, he meant he knew who I was.
He just wanted to say, you don't exist to me.
Like, it's where they speak down to us.
This was an actual authoritarian enemy operative.
dan friesen
So.
jordan holmes
All right.
dan friesen
So now the story is it's all about white genocide, basically.
Or all of Alex Jones' narratives are being confirmed by this weirdo stranger who overhears him talking to a couple people at a hot tub and is like, China's doing great.
This is the fakest shit I want.
jordan holmes
This is a wonderful story.
I think it would have been written well by Kate Chopin.
I mean, I think there's a great author there that can really knock this story out of the park.
dan friesen
Or whoever wrote a child rolled on to the Dark Tower theory.
jordan holmes
I want to know exactly what the internal monologue of this government scientist globalists are.
dan friesen
He sees him coming over and he's like, oh, that's an authoritarian.
jordan holmes
Yeah, well, of course.
I mean, if you see a man wearing, what would he be wearing that makes him look like an authoritarian?
dan friesen
He's got a cap.
I don't know.
jordan holmes
He's got a baseball cap.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
Was it backwards?
dan friesen
Could have been.
jordan holmes
That's an authoritarian move, right?
dan friesen
Sideways means he likes to party.
So you're in luck because you're asking about some details for what happened.
unidentified
Yes.
jordan holmes
Am I going to get some details?
dan friesen
About 10 minutes later, he tells the story.
unidentified
He tells the same story 10 minutes later.
jordan holmes
He is workshopping this story.
dan friesen
Totally.
jordan holmes
For a party later.
dan friesen
Totally, because he adds dialogue in this one.
jordan holmes
He adds dialogue.
unidentified
The story shifts a little bit in this third television.
jordan holmes
Who's the hero in this story?
dan friesen
There are no heroes.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
alex jones
But if you just joined us, I was telling a story about my mom had an idea to go out to one of these, you know, as a Hyatt hotel outside Austin, Texas.
jordan holmes
Lame Miraba.
alex jones
And the rivers out there, and there's a big swimming pool and stuff for the kids.
So we thought we'd have some family into town.
I was kind of a small little family reunion for Easter and go out there.
So I'm sitting there in the hot tub.
And it's an upper end, nice hotel.
And there's five white guys.
There were other quote, you know, quote, you know, groups of people out there, but actually five white guys in this hot tub over at 10 because there were two hot tubs.
jordan holmes
Five white guys walk into the hot tub.
alex jones
We're sitting there talking about how the globalists are shutting down America, how both parties are corrupt, about how crony capitalists are able to use government to shut down their competition, how they're trying to bankrupt us by design.
So it was really a serious, heartfelt discussion.
One guy's like, man, let's talk about the Rangers.
Because I hadn't brought it up.
These guys were listeners.
A couple were hardcore listeners.
Another guy gets in the hot tub and is listening.
This wasn't like that evil Obama, these bad minorities.
It was not even a discussion about that, but a white guy gets in there.
White.
And look about retirement age.
He said he was 67 later.
He said the age of white men is over.
You'll all won't be here soon.
One guy said, well, how old are you?
And he goes, 67.
He goes, we got nine years on me.
But the whole point was we were having a heartfelt, yeah, the globalists are going to bankrupt us.
And they're working with China to leverage things out and the poor Chinese people.
Yeah, did you hear about this?
jordan holmes
Why are you having this conversation?
alex jones
I'm sitting there talking to the engineer, and the guy's sitting there.
He starts defending communist China.
And I went, so you're a collectivist.
He goes, yes, I am.
Yes, I am.
He goes, I work for the government.
jordan holmes
Using viruses.
alex jones
I work in pure research and viruses.
And we go, so we pay your salary.
He goes, it doesn't matter.
And he goes, you know, we're taking over.
And he gets out of the hot tub.
We're being real nice to him.
We thought he was joking.
And he stands there for like 20 minutes pointing his finger at us with the most ridiculous.
It'd be like a five-year-old kid going to WWF or WWE wrestling and standing by one of the fake muscle guys.
They have real fake tough guys or whatever.
I'm sure they are tough guys, but it's like ballet, one of the actors.
And actually, little kids feel powerful, reflected glory standing at the knee of a big man.
When I've seen my son, I guess he's healthy, so he admires his father.
jordan holmes
Wait, what?
dan friesen
There's a little more to this.
jordan holmes
I guess he's healthy, so he admires his father.
dan friesen
I think there's a little more to this clip.
Oh, I know there is, but I think what he's getting at there is like this authoritarian old man was like, he stood there for 20 minutes pointing at you.
Why?
jordan holmes
20 minutes?
Does he say anything?
dan friesen
No, he's just pointing at you.
jordan holmes
Is he just like the ghost of Christmas Future?
I accuse you.
Jacuzzi.
dan friesen
What he's doing to it.
I think he's insinuating that the guy, the authoritarian, felt tough because he was around Alex.
Like, there's something about Alex's toughness that rubs off on other people.
alex jones
Okay.
dan friesen
Anyway, there's a little more to the clip here.
Let's see what the rest of the story is.
jordan holmes
I can't understand those words.
alex jones
Because we don't let him watch mainstream television.
He disdained me because that's the message.
You know, he feels strong when he's around me.
unidentified
Okay.
alex jones
But it was just watching, like, yes, I'm an authoritarian, a collectivist, and yes, the state's taking over, and you individuals will be defeated.
And he was laughing with, like, really evil pleasures.
This is like a movie.
And all these serious guys that have all these employees and are smart.
And they're going, I employ a lot of people.
Obamacare raised taxes on people's payroll.
And one guy, he's like, ah, whatever.
He goes, yeah, that's all part of the takeover.
It'll be different once you've been dealt with.
And like, you know, one guy's just going, why about you just get out of here then?
And the guy's like, you bet I will.
Enjoy your time.
And it was like sometimes.
He was like an anti-white racist who was a white guy.
dan friesen
All this doesn't make sense.
Like, no one behaves like this.
unidentified
Where's your first hole in this?
dan friesen
All of it.
jordan holmes
Where's your plot hole?
dan friesen
This shit Swiss cheese.
jordan holmes
Let's workshop this.
How can we punch up this story?
dan friesen
I would have cut out a lot of details.
Page one rewrite.
jordan holmes
Just from scratch.
dan friesen
Start over again.
unidentified
All right, all right.
dan friesen
I would say.
jordan holmes
Condense the three guys.
dan friesen
Well, here's what I would do.
Get rid of the antagonist.
That's bullshit.
alex jones
Yeah, of course.
dan friesen
It's unbelievable.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
If you wanted to say that you're just hanging out in a hot tub with a couple people who turned out to be fans of yours, by all means, go for it.
That's an.
jordan holmes
I don't know.
You got to have a driving force in the story.
dan friesen
No, because it's too similar to all the times that he says he goes to grocery stores and people turn into demons when they look at him.
jordan holmes
Well, yeah, but that's because there's a theme developing.
It's like a crazy story.
It's like Stephen King writing all of his stories in Maine.
It's like there's always going to be the guy.
dan friesen
Right, right.
There is an unreliable narrator situation in anytime Alex Jones tells a story about his own life.
And we know.
jordan holmes
Alex Jones lives fight club.
I think that's what's really going on here.
dan friesen
Yeah, to a certain extent.
Or at least he thinks everyone else wants to fight with him.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
That's definitely part of his psychosis.
But, Jordan, we're having a lot of fun.
We're laughing at this obviously not true story from Alex's vacation.
jordan holmes
Bananas.
dan friesen
But we should be serious.
jordan holmes
Is he going to tell it again?
dan friesen
No.
We should be serious.
Are you listening?
No.
We should be serious.
unidentified
Okay.
dan friesen
This event in Alex Jones' life had some serious consequences.
jordan holmes
How?
dan friesen
Listen to this.
alex jones
This is what it looks like to be a fallen joke of a people.
And I don't say that to put us down.
I'm really sad.
I had nightmares after I talked to that guy Saturday night.
I woke up.
I don't really usually have nightmares.
jordan holmes
Oh, no.
alex jones
Or if I have a scary dream, it's more like entertainment.
I woke up just in a sweat, so sad for how evil that guy is and how pathetic he was.
Like, I had sorrow in the dream for how pathetic these people are.
That they're so horrible and so weak and so evil and so dangerous and so pathetic and that they're going to have their way.
They're going to bring America down.
They're going to wreck everything because they hate goodness.
They hate success.
They hate wealth because they're nobodies.
dan friesen
That doesn't count.
jordan holmes
I mean, that guy was a government viral scientist.
dan friesen
Also not true.
jordan holmes
I mean, yeah, but that's kind of a big deal.
dan friesen
Yeah.
I mean, he wouldn't be a nobody if that is true.
jordan holmes
Yeah, no, he's definitely not a nobody.
dan friesen
But also it doesn't.
jordan holmes
He's the one devising the genocide virus, right?
That's a big deal.
dan friesen
It doesn't track logically to be like these people are so evil and they want to destroy you because they're nobodies.
Being a nobody doesn't necessarily mean you want to destroy the world.
jordan holmes
Well, it's also because they hate good.
dan friesen
Well, sure.
But that's just a pathetic.
I mean, he's using George W. Bush rhetoric.
Like, they hate our freedom.
jordan holmes
Yeah, well, they do hate our freedom.
dan friesen
Right, but Alex plays this game where he's like, I hate George W. Bush.
I think he's a monster trying to pitch this war on us.
Then he uses the same rhetoric against his imaginary enemy, the globalists.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
It's bizarre.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
Very bizarre.
jordan holmes
Strangely enough, though, both enemies, ultimately the same thing.
And that's brown people.
That's Muslims.
dan friesen
Yep.
jordan holmes
That's what's really going on here.
dan friesen
Well, because they're the tool of the globalists.
jordan holmes
Even his disagreements with the globalists are like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.
We both hate Muslims.
That's the disagreement.
That's it.
That's the whole thing.
dan friesen
So, Jordan, we're done with that story for now.
Yes.
But on April 1st, we do find a big piece.
It's a bad show.
It's not good.
It's mostly this story.
But at the end of it, we get a visit from one Steve Pieczenik.
steve pieczenik
Okay.
dan friesen
And at this point, Steve Pieczenik is pushing the Sandy Hook was fake narrative.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
And Alex has him explaining.
jordan holmes
I was there in the hot tub.
I can tell you all of it's true.
dan friesen
He looks like he's about 67.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Maybe it was Pachenek.
jordan holmes
Maybe it was Pieczenik.
dan friesen
It was Pieczenik.
jordan holmes
Wearing a mask.
dan friesen
Fake mustache.
Pachenek.
unidentified
Okay.
jordan holmes
New theory.
dan friesen
All right.
jordan holmes
New theory.
dan friesen
All right.
jordan holmes
Everybody in Alex's life is living a constant make-a-wish for Alex.
Where it's like everybody always, every single person in all of his stories who's the antagonist, that's one of his friends wearing a mask to give him something to talk about.
dan friesen
So it's like when they turned the city, yeah, same thing.
jordan holmes
Same thing.
The kid who's dying.
They're all being told every single day that Alex is going to die, and it needs to be the best day of his life.
dan friesen
I mean, it's possible.
I don't know.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
But I think there's another theory that if you use the logic of people like Steve Pieczenik, you could say that everyone Alex runs into is crisis actors.
Ooh, you could say that.
But that's just gangstalking shit.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right.
dan friesen
That's a classic kind of.
jordan holmes
See, now that's an improv anywhere video I would actually watch.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
So in this next quote.
jordan holmes
The boyhood-length 12-year-long film of everybody fucking with Alex Jones.
dan friesen
I couldn't handle watching it because I know the consequences are this.
They would bump me up.
Good prank, guys.
alex jones
Good prank.
dan friesen
But unfortunately.
jordan holmes
You at least got to give them respect.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So this is Steve Pieczenik explaining pretty early on why he believes that Sandy Hook was a false flag.
alex jones
Okay.
So, Doc, what is your take on Sandy Hook?
Is it just all the clear scripting and how they were ready minute one and now it's come out that Bloomberg was ready months before?
dan friesen
Not true.
alex jones
And then all the people that look and act like actors.
What's your take as an expert on this?
steve pieczenik
Well, this is a total script.
jordan holmes
He's an expert.
steve pieczenik
I'm expert of a woman who lives in Sandy Hook who's worth $600 million and you can call her up.
You can interview her named Susan Collins.
She's written all the Hunger Game movies, the Hunger Game Good, the books.
And literally, it comes out of her script.
The assassination of children in schools, assassination of children in a dystopic society, the fact that she had no comments, the fact that this almost came out of her own books on children and war.
dan friesen
So yeah, that's his theory.
That's where it comes from.
jordan holmes
Sandy Hook.
dan friesen
That's a big part of their Sandy Hook theory.
jordan holmes
Is the Hunger Games.
dan friesen
Right.
And because Susan Collins is from near Sandy Hook, maybe even Sandy Hook, I don't know.
jordan holmes
You can call her up.
dan friesen
Right, you could.
And it's suspicious that she says no comment.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
She doesn't have anything to say?
dan friesen
Why would she comment on other than to an official comment?
jordan holmes
Other than to hide.
Other than to hide.
dan friesen
You make a great point.
You make a great point.
jordan holmes
Why wouldn't she comment?
dan friesen
How fucking soft is this shit?
jordan holmes
What else does Susan Collins have to do?
dan friesen
You could make the argument then that, like, hey, you know, I don't know, Devin Sawa was in on it because he was in that movie, The Faculty.
Was he in that?
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
Usher.
Usher Raymond was in it.
Usher did it.
unidentified
Usher was an Usher the musician.
dan friesen
Sure.
But yeah, I mean, that had to do with students being killed at school.
Right.
It's nonsense, man.
Dude, this is a disaster.
jordan holmes
Nobody show him the Japanese version.
dan friesen
Oh, sure.
Battle Royale?
jordan holmes
Nobody show him Battle Royale.
dan friesen
That's a better conspiracy theory that she owes that person millions of dollars.
But it bums me out because Alex is wrong about so much.
And I never knew that the sort of genesis of this theory, obviously it's coming from Steve.
Steve is one of his big resources on this.
And one of the biggest things he has going for him is: look, Susan Collins is from there.
She wrote a book.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
unidentified
She won't say any comment.
dan friesen
That's not anything.
jordan holmes
So is the implication then that the government hired her to write the Sandy Hook Massacre?
dan friesen
Probably.
Or predictive programming through the Gunger Games book.
jordan holmes
I like the conspiracy better if the government goes to Susan Collins and they're like, we don't even know how to false flag it.
dan friesen
Oh, so you're talking like a wag the dog scenario.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, exactly.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
They're like, we need a script writer because we can't write the Sandy Hook Massacre.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
How would you.
dan friesen
We need Woody Harrelson to come in and write a song about a shoe.
jordan holmes
How would you even begin to write the Sandy Hook Massacre?
Would you just look back at all of the other school shootings that we've had?
That are you hire Susan Collins of the Hunger Games.
dan friesen
And let me be clear, too.
The Hunger Games is nothing like Sandy Hook.
jordan holmes
I feel like we shouldn't have to say that, and yet at the same time, I think we do have to say that.
dan friesen
There are quite a lot of differences in terms of the setting, the plot, all those sorts of things.
jordan holmes
No, no, no.
Don't you remember?
The similarities?
dan friesen
Yeah.
Tons of them.
So that bums me out, man.
jordan holmes
Were there any similarities?
dan friesen
Kids died?
I guess that's the biggest thing.
jordan holmes
Is that his point?
dan friesen
Yeah.
Yeah, I think so.
jordan holmes
And it was a school?
dan friesen
Yep.
That's about it.
jordan holmes
All right.
dan friesen
And then he goes on to talk about crisis actors, and that's a little bit of a dude.
jordan holmes
Susan Collins is great, though.
dan friesen
Yeah.
After that, he goes into like, hey, there's crisis actors, all this shit.
And like, that's not compelling either.
You look into all those arguments, and that's macaroni, not macaroni, Swiss.
jordan holmes
That's cheese.
Macaroni.
dan friesen
Cheese with holes in it, my friend.
So I wish they had something better, but they don't.
They're just casting.
It's the same thing that we talk about over and over again.
It's telling stories before there is a story in order to get ahead of it.
jordan holmes
Like Susan Collins.
dan friesen
Right, right.
And just making stuff up, making implications, insinuations that are irresponsible.
And that's all he's doing about Sandy Hook.
And unfortunately, it caught on like crazy.
And granted, Alex Jones.
jordan holmes
Well, so did The Hunger Games.
dan friesen
It's true.
Maybe that's the connection.
jordan holmes
That's what it is.
dan friesen
I mean, Alex Jones did.
jordan holmes
The only person who could write a conspiracy theory this great, a conspiracy theory this great is Susan Collins.
dan friesen
Indeed.
Alex Jones didn't start Sandy Hook denialism or anything like that.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
But, I mean, he played a big part in publicizing it.
And so, I mean, he should be ashamed that one of his big pieces of logic is the Hunger Games.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
It's ridiculous.
Anyway, we go from here on to April 2nd.
jordan holmes
Well, you know who wrote Las Vegas?
dan friesen
Who's that?
J.K. Rowling.
What are you talking about?
jordan holmes
Of course she did.
dan friesen
What are the cases?
jordan holmes
That's the highest-grossing shooting of all.
Come on, God.
dan friesen
We move on to April 2nd.
And Alex Jones is in a different headspace on April 2nd.
And he starts things off with a little bit of complaining about the UN, which is interesting.
I mean, he hates the UN.
And let's see where he goes with it.
alex jones
And then when the UN finally takes over under State Department plan and UN international treaty and public law 7277, that's an executive order that becomes law by bureaucratic fiat.
Under 7277, go read it.
And go look at the graphics.
It shows our military being phased down to nothing as the UN-NATO military is built up.
Our helmets get little in the graph.
Their helmets get big in the graph.
And then, when they're finally done making you hate the police and the revolution and the takeover, the globalists are in the revolution, they're then going to disarm all the police as well.
dan friesen
And then it was a fake laugh.
jordan holmes
Fake laugh.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So what do you think about that?
What do you think about law 7277?
jordan holmes
It sounds great.
dan friesen
Sure does.
jordan holmes
I want to know what law preceded it.
Like, what was 7276?
And then what was 7278.
Because if 7277 is get rid of the entire military, I feel like one or the other on either side has to be similarly good.
dan friesen
You're asking stupid questions, man.
jordan holmes
And then the other one is like, what?
Everybody uses a toilet.
dan friesen
Everybody dance.
Yeah.
jordan holmes
That's the one?
dan friesen
That's the next thing.
So we've actually mentioned this a tiny bit before.
I didn't realize that this was such a huge part of Alex Jones' dumb beliefs about the UN.
But what this is, is a document that was put out by the State Department, and it is called Freedom from War, the United States Program for General and Complete Disarmament in a Peaceful World.
It was written and released in September of 1961.
And basically what it lays out is a plan that they'd like to see for weapons being taken away.
Not weapons taken away from everybody, but de-escalation of arms.
And one of the reasons for that is they were in the middle of the fucking Cold War.
jordan holmes
I don't understand.
dan friesen
Primarily what it is about is reducing the risk of nuclear war.
It doesn't really have to do with disarming populations as it does with the United States and the fucking Soviet Union getting together and negotiating to not use nukes and to make sure that other countries don't pursue operations in nuclear weapons.
So this is just something that was written by the State Department.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
And it's submitted to the UN?
jordan holmes
It was a wish list to Santa.
dan friesen
It's conceivably submitted to the UN, but one of the things that you can do is you can go to the UN's website and you know what they have?
They have minutes of every assembly that they have.
So I went back to the 16th General Assembly from 1961 and looked through it.
Is there anything here?
jordan holmes
You can read every single UN general session.
dan friesen
Everyone.
jordan holmes
Every single one.
dan friesen
Every single one.
Even some of the stuff that seems petty as hell.
Like they're just making proclamations of stuff.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
That's largely what they do when they have General Assembly.
jordan holmes
It's a useless organization.
dan friesen
They generally don't end up saying like, all right, we're going to disarm everybody.
What they end up doing is that they say it is our feeling that what we should pursue, that people should pursue, is the United States.
jordan holmes
Let's don't kill everybody.
dan friesen
So not using nuclear weapons.
jordan holmes
Dear Santa, can we not kill everybody?
dan friesen
Right.
unidentified
Thanks.
dan friesen
So much like the Cloward and Piven nonsense, which is just something that was written up and discussed by professors as just an idea.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
This was just an idea that was given and made, and the UN didn't even hear it.
unidentified
It is.
dan friesen
Didn't even hear it in their General Assembly.
jordan holmes
It's truly a testament to the laziness of humankind that literally every single UN general session you can go and read and there are still conspiracy theories about it.
dan friesen
Yeah, totally.
jordan holmes
That's fantastic.
dan friesen
I mean, I had the 16th Assembly pulled up and the 17th, and I Was a good one.
17th was great.
jordan holmes
If I was going to rank all of the UN General Assemblies, I would start with 76.
That one was amazing.
Now, of course, in the top five is number one, but that's really just a legacy thing.
Like, it's the legend, you know?
It's just that it started the whole thing.
dan friesen
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
So in the General Assembly documents, they have the entire minutes, and it's just stuff like this: like admission of the Republic of Rwanda to membership in the United Nations.
There are things that are proposed, and then they discuss them, and they're all listed in here.
And most of them are really mundane shit.
Some of it is about money.
A lot of it is about dispensation of money, the trusteeship status.
There's stuff about needing to fill positions and stuff like that.
It's the minutes of a boring meeting.
jordan holmes
Oh, that was Order 7276.
dan friesen
But there's also stuff on there about nuclear disarmament and shit.
And so, I mean, what Alex talks about, this Rule 7277, is not something that's even passed as a United States law, and it's not something that was even put to the floor in the UN General Assembly.
So it's nothing.
It's just something that someone wrote and was like, eh, don't fuck it.
That's pie-in-the-sky shit.
jordan holmes
Don't do this.
I'm kind of inspired.
dan friesen
But this is what Alex says.
jordan holmes
I'm kind of inspired by this level of stupidity.
dan friesen
This is what Alex does all the time, though, too.
He doesn't take the context of documents he's citing into account.
The fact that he still cites that one dumbass thing about chemtrails, that long Article 50 that he did on Rogan, it means like...
jordan holmes
Well, that was also something that the virus scientists admitted to him in the hot tub.
dan friesen
Yeah, yeah, of course.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Nefariously.
While he was pointing at him for 20 minutes.
jordan holmes
Now, this is a whole new wrinkle on Alex that I want.
I want actually his show to be in a hot tub and just have people say random shit to him.
dan friesen
Well, he's done a couple episodes without his shirt on.
jordan holmes
It's close.
That is pretty cool.
dan friesen
It's close enough for jazz.
jordan holmes
Now I just imagine every story of his is him in a hot tub.
Do you think he wears a chain?
I feel like he wears a chain when he gets into the hot tub.
dan friesen
Probably.
jordan holmes
A huge chain.
Never wears a chain at any other time.
But when you get into a hot tub, you got to DJ Khaled that shit.
dan friesen
So, Alex Jones, if you wanted to make some other critiques of the UN, I would be game for them because the UN does have a lot of impotent enforcement of human rights stuff.
And a lot of the employees of the UN have been caught doing some pretty bad shit.
There are definitely issues.
And if you wanted to talk about those in a more realistic way, I'd be all for it.
jordan holmes
I'd say they're like number seven on the international like number one is FIFA as far as international corruptness.
Then you go down to the IOC, the Olympic Committee.
Then you take one step down, and then we're at the NCAA.
And they're so evil, even though they're not international, they're still top three on international corruption lists.
dan friesen
Right.
And number 10, 11, somewhere down there is globalists.
jordan holmes
Right, right.
dan friesen
Fake globalists.
jordan holmes
Right, right.
Number 12, ATT.
Weird.
dan friesen
Weird thing.
I'd like to propose Sprint.
Not a fan.
Anyway, in this next clip, Alex Jones talks about some of the other stuff that he thinks that the UN does.
alex jones
He doesn't look like a gang banger.
dan friesen
I apologize.
There we go.
That does sound bad, that voice.
But this isn't about the UN.
This is about someone had made a facetious argument about killing kids up till three years of age or something like that.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
It was more of a thought experiment than anything else.
It wasn't a serious proposal in any sense.
alex jones
I think it should be.
dan friesen
Well, you're alone in that opinion.
jordan holmes
Fair enough.
dan friesen
But so, Alex.
jordan holmes
Well, I got at least one more.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Whoever made this facetious argument and you.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
alex jones
He doesn't look like a gang banger.
jordan holmes
The way he says it, it means the other thing.
alex jones
I mean, everybody knows.
jordan holmes
Not the thing he thinks.
alex jones
But if you're wearing a sports jacket and a nice shirt and calling dead babies, I mean, that's liberal.
And I could just imagine that I'm with them.
I want to imagine I'm with the New World Order.
dan friesen
Right there is a problem for his future.
jordan holmes
Sometimes I just like to imagine I'm with the New World Order.
Does he list all the things that he did for Trump?
dan friesen
Well, that's exactly what I'm thinking.
He's showing some signs of like, I want to be on a fucking team.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
I'm sick of this.
Everyone thinks I'm a dick.
jordan holmes
I have a dream.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
I want to sell pills.
I'm sick of this gold shit.
Gold isn't going out.
dan friesen
At this point, I think it's still longevity, your favorite longevity.
But here we go.
jordan holmes
I love youongevity.
dan friesen
Let's see where he goes with these thoughts of wanting to be part of a team.
alex jones
As they poison, as they destroy my future, as they do all this, I just imagine I'm part of it.
And I turn on the, I watch the State of the Union and look at Obama.
And oh, he's for me.
Oh, he likes me.
unidentified
Oh.
alex jones
Oh, I've got a newborn baby coming.
I'm going to go give it a bunch of shots.
And then, you know, the baby's 18 months old walking around giggling and laughing and gets the next round and then has convulsions and never talks again.
But that's not the shot.
So the government loves me.
The government is a loving group.
unidentified
Okay.
alex jones
Okay.
Let me just stop.
The new magazine is out and it's selling very, very quickly.
And of eight issues, we've sold out on it.
Damn it, Dad!
dan friesen
Smooth.
jordan holmes
You son of a bitch!
dan friesen
Smooth stuff.
So he's selling a magazine back at this point.
At this point, he's selling a magazine.
He has an InfoWars magazine.
unidentified
Okay.
dan friesen
Full glossy spreads of, I don't know what.
jordan holmes
So you mean he was right on time and getting into the print industry?
dan friesen
Absolutely.
unidentified
Okay.
dan friesen
Yeah, yeah.
So here's where he gets back to the UN troops.
jordan holmes
What's in this magazine?
dan friesen
I don't fucking know.
I've never got.
I should get all these.
alex jones
Yeah, we need to get.
jordan holmes
Yeah, absolutely.
dan friesen
Yeah, for my collection, I should have every InfoWars magazine.
alex jones
I know you've seen Miss America up there saying, I love the UN and shirts of little starving kids.
And oh, the UN's helping.
The UN's there cutting their food off.
And then once they've already killed most of them, they'll have a photo op giving some kids some food.
The UN in Rwanda helped kill a million people on record.
No.
You can type in UN troops killing children.
And if you've got the nerve to look at it, it's barbecuing them, raping them, roasting them over fires, beating their brains out.
They were there with machine guns set up when they had the Hutus killing the Tootsies, the Christian minority.
And then they tried to get out of the camps.
They would run them to refugee camps, the UN, would then pull out and wait with heavy machine guns because they didn't want to spend too many bullets.
A human's not worth a bullet.
And then they would send in the one tribe to hack them up.
There's the Guardian.
UN troops stand by and watch carnage.
They didn't stand by and watch.
They run the operations.
dan friesen
So Alex thinks Rwanda was a false flag.
Right.
That's rough.
jordan holmes
No, that sounds right.
dan friesen
I'd like to read to you from this article about the.
jordan holmes
If you Google, if you type in the exact words he says, nothing comes up.
Do not.
Even if something did come up, don't trust the first link on that because that's somebody who is saying exactly those words.
And you can't trust somebody who says those words.
dan friesen
So this is a conversation that the Guardian had with a lady named Helena Newit Zina.
Zina Carter.
Newit Zina.
She was in Rwanda when the UN peacekeeping soldiers were there.
And here is a quote from her that really indicates what one of the bigger issues was with the UN response.
We could not believe that the United Nations was just going to let us die.
We were always hearing on the radio how they were there to help us.
But when the killers were looking us in the eye and saying we were going to die, what did the UN do?
It saved white people.
That's really the issue.
jordan holmes
Oh, man.
dan friesen
That's really more the issue of the response that they had.
There was not enough resources.
There wasn't enough troops or even the motivation necessarily to resolve the issue.
They bungled it.
If you go back and listen to interviews with Romeo Delaire, the guy who was the head of the troops there, it's some of the most heartbreaking stuff to hear him talk about what he wanted to do and what he wasn't able to do.
That sort of stuff is terrifying to hear.
And if Alex wants to make the argument metaphorically that the UN had a part in killing of, I think it was 800,000 people, not a million, but if he wants to make that argument, yes, it is true in the sense that they didn't do what they could have done.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
But it's not true in the sense that they were barbecuing children.
jordan holmes
Right.
Now, can Alex get me in touch with that viral scientist?
Question number one.
dan friesen
I don't know.
jordan holmes
Question number two.
dan friesen
He says.
jordan holmes
Is there a way to devise a virus that only kills white people?
Question number three.
All of them?
dan friesen
He did say that he gave the other guys Rob Dew's email address, but probably not the authoritarian, I would imagine.
jordan holmes
No, I feel like they should.
dan friesen
So Alex Jones is stupid.
And in this next clip, he goes on to teach you how to not be a Patsy.
alex jones
Don't take part in drills where you play the part of a radical Islamic terrorist or a radical right-wing terrorist because one day you're going to drive a real truck of explosives onto a military base.
Or if they pick a federal building that's got a daycare, there's not many of it.
There's a good chance you better check in the back of that truck.
That's going to be real explosive.
And you're going to go down in history as the right-winger who secretly worked for Al-Qaeda.
And again, new listeners are going, that makes no sense.
I mean, if they told people to throw their kids off cliffs to prove they didn't like Al-Qaeda, right-wingers would do it.
I mean, it's a total phobia.
They love hating Muslims.
It's a religion.
That's why it's so funny.
jordan holmes
Fake laugh.
alex jones
It's so sick.
jordan holmes
Fake laugh.
dan friesen
I think that might be a real laugh.
And he also admitted that right-wingers hate Muslims.
jordan holmes
Yeah, they hate Al-Qaeda.
dan friesen
No, he said Muslims.
jordan holmes
Well, yeah, they hate Muslims too.
That's because all Muslims are in Al-Qaeda.
I remember this time.
dan friesen
Yeah, according to Ray Winger.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
So this is also a part of a bigger thing that he's talking about that he's like, it's so silly.
They're going to try and say that right-wingers are working with Al-Qaeda, which is ironic because now his entire argument is that the left is working with Al-Qaeda.
jordan holmes
Right, well, we were.
And are.
Right.
What fantasy camp are you going to where you're like, oh, okay, well, what we're going to do is we're going to get into drills and pretend to be terrorists?
dan friesen
Well, that's what he thinks happened with Oklahoma City.
He thinks that Timothy McVeigh thought it was a fake thing.
He was sheep-dipped, as Alex likes to say.
He was just a good guy.
He was a good guy.
Just a normal, good guy.
But who they had go be a part of white supremacist, violent, anti-text organizations to sheep-dip him and make him look bad.
So when they ran the drill that he didn't know was real, he thought it was a drill.
unidentified
But why would he do the drill?
jordan holmes
Alex.
dan friesen
Alex doesn't explain that.
jordan holmes
Who's putting together this drill?
What purpose could this drill serve?
dan friesen
I think the purpose of the drill would be, in theory, to catch other people who want to bomb something.
I think that's what he thinks.
He never really spells it out.
Alex doesn't really get that part of the narrative down.
jordan holmes
It's a bad drill.
dan friesen
It's bad.
It's dumb.
But it's the only way that Alex Jones can wiggle his way out of white crime or white terrorism.
And so that's what he does.
He makes it that far.
He's like, no, no, no.
Timothy McVeigh was set up.
It was a setup, and he wasn't even a white supremacist man.
I know he was at those weird militia meetings and stuff.
I know that people have testified that they saw him there, but that's just because he was getting sheep-dipped because the military had to make him look like the bad guy.
jordan holmes
But then in the next sentence, he talks about how right-wingers will do anything, they'll throw their baby off.
unidentified
They'll throw the baby off the roof to prove that they hate Al-Qaeda.
dan friesen
Right.
It doesn't make sense.
jordan holmes
So, yeah, I mean, well, then in that case, you could totally, you wouldn't even need to sell him on the drill.
You could have just been like, hey, Al-Qaeda lives in there.
unidentified
Go.
dan friesen
Yeah.
alex jones
Yeah.
Get in there.
dan friesen
So, in this next clip, Alex tells us what dangers await us in the future.
Spoiler alert.
They're very dumb.
alex jones
We must be totally divided into racial and religious and ethnic sub-districts to then be ruled right out of hunger games by floating fortresses.
jordan holmes
Susan is getting a lot of work.
alex jones
Everyone is now ready for that because it's what they've been taught.
And the way they're going to kill us is with blimps at 120,000 feet with microwaves on them.
jordan holmes
No, no.
alex jones
They just float your city and microwave your city by grids.
Everybody wonders why they die a year later of cancer.
And that's all official.
Alexander Haig wrote about it 20 years ago.
I saw him bragging about it 16, 7, 9.
I saw him 20 years ago.
He wrote about it 25 years ago.
dan friesen
So Alexander Haig is the former Secretary of State during Nixon.
jordan holmes
And inventor of the blimp.
dan friesen
He didn't.
Well, he didn't invent a blimp, but it is actually, you know, if you look into what the truth is here, it's actually super interesting.
So after Alexander Haig was involved in government, got into private life, he decided to get a bunch of people together and start a business called SkyStation, right?
And so what they were doing is that they were creating these giant balloons for telecommunications that would have advantages over giant satellites out in space.
They would fly lower and they would provide internet coverage for entire cities.
jordan holmes
That's a great idea.
dan friesen
And they would provide.
jordan holmes
Probably unworkable, though.
dan friesen
And they would provide a relay point for phones and stuff like that that would be much more effective.
Right.
And so him and some scientists got together and they tried to get this done and it just didn't work.
jordan holmes
And very quickly they were like, ooh.
dan friesen
Yeah, it didn't work.
jordan holmes
Not a good idea.
dan friesen
So there's.
jordan holmes
Would you tether it?
You would have to tether it, but then it's going to move.
dan friesen
No, because they're giant.
I mean, I don't know.
Look, the reason that it hasn't been done.
jordan holmes
No, I want to verify this blimp story.
dan friesen
No, the blimp story, part of it is real in the sense that they were trying to make a fucking huge blimp.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
But it was for internet stuff.
It was way ahead of its time.
jordan holmes
I prefer this, Alex.
The Alex who's afraid of blimps.
Those were the good old days.
This was back when it was golden, man.
dan friesen
So here's from a 2014 article in Newsweek.
The system they developed had promise.
One blimp at 65,000 feet above a city could have served all of the 1990s level internet traffic from the citizens below.
A blimp could stay up for five years.
But as with other schemes, time killed SkyStation.
Quote, we ended up licensing the technology to someone else and walked away, Alex Haig says.
That's his son.
Nothing's come of it.
jordan holmes
Oh.
dan friesen
So they aren't trying to microwave.
jordan holmes
They were trying to survive the blimp idea.
dan friesen
They weren't trying to microwave fry people.
They were trying to find ways to service populations.
unidentified
All right.
jordan holmes
New investment opportunity.
Knowledge fight blimp internet service.
dan friesen
Okay.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Well, I think we're going to run into the same problem, SkyStation.
unidentified
No, this podcast, not the way to make money.
jordan holmes
Blimp startup.
That's what we got to do.
We'll brand it with Knowledge Fight.
dan friesen
All right.
unidentified
It'll be gold.
dan friesen
All right.
Let's not talk any more of it or lest someone steal our ideas.
Our brilliant ideas.
jordan holmes
Our blimpiant ideas.
dan friesen
Speaking of brilliant ideas.
alex jones
Yes.
dan friesen
This next clip, Alex gets a call from a guy.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
And they talk about how the water is being poisoned.
But then this caller has a really interesting idea for a new segment on Alex's show.
jordan holmes
Blimp Talk.
alex jones
Well, that's mental illness, according to the authorities.
Hey, look, they put hormones in the water to feminize men.
jordan holmes
Of course.
alex jones
And so if you gave those hormones to bulls, they would act docile.
We're under chemical warfare.
I mean, the White House Science Czar admits they put stuff in the water.
Nope.
Eco-science, he's written a couple other books.
This is all a fact.
dan friesen
Nope.
alex jones
And even now, as it comes out, they drug the water, they go, yeah, we're going to drug it more now.
We're going to put lithium in to make you behave.
I mean, these people are flaming authoritarian monsters.
And that's where the men went, brother.
unidentified
I agree with you, but I do think there are still a lot of men in the country, and I know they're out there listening right now, and I want to speak to them for just a moment.
And my idea for the show is for these people to call in just a short segment of your show when you do have callers to call in, and we want to hear from the men in this country because I know they're out there.
I'm calling right now, man.
I'm one of them.
I'm making videos on YouTube.
I'm speaking to people.
alex jones
Keep going.
unidentified
Telling you, like, I'm fighting hard, man.
I'm fighting up here.
I'm fighting with you guys.
And you guys down there need to know you got brothers in the trench up here in Canada.
Big time.
We're together and I'm here to fight with you, man.
dan friesen
He wants to have.
jordan holmes
Is there going to be an armed resurrection or revolution in insurrection?
dan friesen
Possibly.
Of the men.
I love that.
The idea that he'd have a segment on his show.
All right.
unidentified
We're taking calls only from real men.
dan friesen
This segment, only real men call in.
So real.
jordan holmes
I think emotional vulnerability is one of the things that needs to be.
alex jones
Oh.
dan friesen
You're out.
jordan holmes
I think the strength to open up and ask for help.
Oh.
I think maybe the biggest test of manhood is the ability to accept.
dan friesen
It's push-ups.
Speaking of real men, though, in his next clip, Alex Jones talks about a couple of... Tim Allen.
Arr, arr, arr, arr.
In this clip, Alex talks about a couple of real men, right?
Real men.
alex jones
But I mean, you read the whole life of Andrew Jackson and Davey Crockett.
Davy Crockett was trying to basically imitate Andrew Jackson.
He was the big icon of all the battles and wars and stabbings and shootings and, you know, shot three times, stabbed, bleeding for a week straight, refusing to die.
jordan holmes
Stop jerking.
alex jones
I mean, just tough as nails.
Andrew Jackson.
dan friesen
So I know you hate Andrew Jackson.
jordan holmes
I hate Andrew Jackson.
dan friesen
And you'll be thrilled to learn that so did Davy Crockett.
jordan holmes
Of course he did.
dan friesen
Davy Crockett, he's known as the man of the wild frontier and all that.
He's known for all that shit.
But in addition to that, he served in the house.
He was a politician for a bit.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
And in this time there, he fucking hated Andrew Jackson.
jordan holmes
Well, yeah, because he modeled his life after.
dan friesen
Absolutely not.
But in particular, he was so mad at Andrew Jackson for his treatment of Native Americans.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Because Davy Crockett had a, he loved him.
jordan holmes
No, he spoke multiple languages and traded with them all the time.
That was kind of one of the big things that he did.
dan friesen
Absolutely.
jordan holmes
He got into the middle.
Is there anything more Andrew Jacksonian than hating Andrew Jackson?
dan friesen
You might have a decent point there.
jordan holmes
There we go.
dan friesen
But he was super passionately against the Indian Removal Act of 1830 that Andrew Jackson was trying to pass, and that led them to be pretty serious enemies.
And beyond that, he had a lot of ideas about how Andrew Jackson was dealing with finances and the banks and stuff like that.
jordan holmes
Poorly?
dan friesen
Yeah, and so he butted heads with them about that.
Like he is a politician who very seriously got into rows with Andrew Jackson.
So the idea that he was emulating him and trying to be him.
Also, they're only like eight years apart or something like that.
They were born pretty close to each other.
And the only time that they really come together is in the Tennessee militia in 1802.
The two of them served there together.
But then Alex is just jacking off more because he loves Andrew Jackson for whatever reason.
jordan holmes
He loves graphic descriptions of violence.
dan friesen
And Davy Crockett apparently also died at the Alamo, like our friend Colonel Travis.
Yeah, yeah.
And so, you know, he just becomes a default hero for Alex.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
When, you know, if you look into the reality.
jordan holmes
He's a wonderful name to throw into whatever argument that he wants to have.
You know, David Crockett, he loved Trump.
Like, sure, fine, whatever.
You're making this shit up.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
You're playing an imaginary game.
Yeah.
So at this point in the show, on April 2nd, Alex Jones starts talking about people lugging guns across mountains.
Right.
He's talking about how men used to be men.
jordan holmes
Like Hannibal and Carthage?
dan friesen
More recently, American dudes.
jordan holmes
Oh, okay.
dan friesen
Like lugging cannons at, I don't know, I can't remember any of the names of the battles, but he's saying that stuff.
And he gets to this.
alex jones
That compared to fat little blobs, and I mean spiritually fat, but they were fat, pointing, and they would walk up and go, ah, ah, into a fake laugh, like, oh, whoa.
Like the collectivist that came up to me when I was at a resort for Easter at a family reunion this weekend.
And I was in the hot tub, and I'm talking about, yeah, the tyranny and their listeners.
Will they take our bank accounts here?
And oh, my God, how bad will it get?
And the Republican leadership's control.
And there's a guy sitting there for 20 minutes.
He gets up and goes, you're all going to fail.
We're taking over.
Nothing can stop us.
He heard us talking about authoritarianism and how dangerous it was.
And he wanted to get up and celebrate and point his finger and go, you're right.
We're taking over.
And I go, who are you?
I'm a government professor scientist in viruses.
And he smiled and I went, oh, my God, you're a population reductionist eugenicist.
And I said, you know, what you got taken down in the basement of the facility when you were, you know, getting good grades in college and brought into it.
jordan holmes
And he was like, getting good grades.
dan friesen
No, Don't interrupt this at all.
You must hear this nonsense.
alex jones
See, when you were, you know, getting good grades in college and brought into it.
And he was like, who, who, what?
Where did you?
That got thrown out, though, by the time I got older.
I hit him one time.
He was like, oh, wait, wait, you know about the club I'm in.
unidentified
I'm like, of course I know who you are.
alex jones
Folks, they're going to kill hundreds of millions of us.
They got re-education camps, official FEMA documents.
This is real history happening.
Of course I know the enemy.
I make it my business to know the enemy.
dan friesen
You make it your business to lie about people, who at least in this case probably don't exist.
jordan holmes
By the way, the moment that he said stood up pointing, I started pointing myself.
It is really hard to hold it for this long.
dan friesen
20 minutes.
jordan holmes
20 minutes is a long time.
dan friesen
It's a ridiculous amount of time.
jordan holmes
That's a good workout.
dan friesen
Yeah, absolutely.
It's like doing a plank.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I'm starting to go numb.
dan friesen
So the story has changed now.
Alex tells him.
jordan holmes
You know about what club I'm in?
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
I play Bridge on Fridays.
dan friesen
You know why he throws that in, though?
It's to combine it with his narratives about his dad, how the globalists tried to recruit his dad.
Right, right.
And now he can weave that into this narrative and be like, I confirmed it by confronting this authoritarian virus scientist.
jordan holmes
I hit him with one thing and he was like, oh, no.
No.
They got us.
They're onto us.
I shouldn't have stood up, pointed, and revealed who I am.
dan friesen
Right.
I don't think that there's, first of all, I mean, none of this is real, but there's no way that if that happened, Alex wouldn't.
He told the story three fucking times in the first day.
Why isn't this piece in it?
Why isn't that?
Wow, it's because you give it another day and you tell it a little bit differently.
jordan holmes
He starts adding little embellishments.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
I like it.
dan friesen
What a lotus shit.
jordan holmes
He's fleshing it out like Susan Collins in the Hunger Games.
dan friesen
Right.
Took her a long time to rip off that book.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
So we have one more clip, Jordan, here in April 2nd.
Little tight episode here.
A little hour longer for the people.
But in this next clip, Alex Jones wants you to know.
He's basically sort of doing his own version of that song, That Don't Impress Me Much.
That Shania Twain song.
unidentified
Yes.
dan friesen
So you got a hot car.
That don't impress me much.
That's kind of how he starts.
jordan holmes
I like your lead-in to the chorus there.
Hey, you got a good car.
That don't impress me.
dan friesen
That's kind of how it gave me.
You gave a little stank to the Look, Shania Twain's great.
Also, I didn't pull the clip of it because I was running out of time, but at one point in this episode, Alex does recite the lyrics to hurt the whole thing.
No, no, just maybe a verse.
jordan holmes
Oh, okay.
unidentified
But is this after I don't know the time frame?
dan friesen
Anyway, Alex Jones is not impressed by worldly things.
alex jones
I mean, you know what I want?
I mean, I see somebody with a giant diamond ring, doesn't excite me.
I see somebody with a big mansion, doesn't excite me.
I see somebody defeating tyrants.
I get butterflies.
I get tears in my eyes.
And I want to meet them.
dan friesen
He's faking crying at this point, too.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
alex jones
Really, dude?
Because I take all this personal, ladies and gentlemen, and you should too.
My freedom is personal.
My children's future, such darling little good people, is up to me.
unidentified
It's up to you.
alex jones
It's up to us together.
And I take it real personal.
So take it personal with me.
Get a prisonplanet.tv membership.
Be part of my page.
God damn it.
jordan holmes
How can you do that?
dan friesen
That's amazing.
jordan holmes
For fuck's sake.
alex jones
Oh, God.
What the fuck?
dan friesen
That one hurt.
jordan holmes
That one literally hurt me.
I am physically pain.
dan friesen
That one's next level because it involves fake crying.
jordan holmes
Oh, the future of my children won't be secure unless you buy Prison Planet t-shirts.
dan friesen
Well, it's even worse than that because he's like, I take it real personally because of my children.
Sweet, sweet darlings.
So take it personally with me.
jordan holmes
And buy a t-shirt.
dan friesen
On the level of.
jordan holmes
I'm sick of taking it personally.
Now I would like to take it professionally, please.
dan friesen
On the level of, like, you know how I find words to be like, speaking of blank, you know, like that style of transitioning.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
He did do that.
And I appreciate it on that level.
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
The fact that he's playing my game.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
I love it.
That's fine.
Speaking of taking things personally.
Holy shit.
That's disgraceful.
That's next level stuff.
jordan holmes
That one was good.
dan friesen
Damn.
jordan holmes
That one made me feel all good.
dan friesen
So that brings us to the end of April 1st and 2nd.
Alex Jones has met an authoritarian in a hot tub.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Lied about it.
We found out that Steve Pieczenik, one of the big pieces of his Sandy Hook narrative, is the Hunger Games.
We've learned that Alex Jones lies a lot about the UN in very specific ways.
jordan holmes
Don't participate in any right-wing terrorism drills.
dan friesen
I don't think our audience needs a chance to get it.
jordan holmes
If anybody offers you, like, hey, you want to be a right-wing terrorist for a day?
Do not say yes.
dan friesen
You want a fake bomb?
jordan holmes
Yeah, don't say yes.
dan friesen
Also, I guess we learned they were all going to die because of blimps.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Well, yeah, but we all knew that.
dan friesen
And Alex Jones.
jordan holmes
If anybody's ever watched a steampunk anime, they knew we were all going to die from blimps.
dan friesen
And Alex Jones knows nothing about David Crocker.
So that brings us to the end of the show.
This has been fun.
So what's going to happen is tomorrow, as this comes out, this will come out on Tuesday.
And then on Wednesday, we will put out the live episode.
And get this, there's more to the story of the live episode than just what we covered on the live episode.
jordan holmes
We could only go over by a half hour of our already.
dan friesen
The narrative goes on.
There's a fuller picture that we'll explore on Thursday night.
We'll do it live and it'll come out on Friday.
So there will be part two of whatever it is we covered at the live show.
jordan holmes
Nice tease.
dan friesen
Thanks.
So that's the schedule for the week.
Really appreciate everybody listening.
If you want to check us out, you can go to our website, knowledgefight.com.
jordan holmes
Yeah, you can follow us on Twitter.
It's at knowledge underscore fight.
dan friesen
Correct, we're on Facebook.
jordan holmes
We are on Facebook.
You could go to iTunes.
You could say nice things.
Leave a review.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Do the thing.
dan friesen
Yeah.
You can do all those things.
jordan holmes
Yeah, you can do all those things.
dan friesen
If you'd like to support the show, you can click on knowledgefight.com.
jordan holmes
Oh, yeah, do we have an update on...
dan friesen
We're still hovering around 70% of the way to our monthly goal, which, I mean, we got another eight days, eight days or so.
So if you want to donate and make us cover Endgame, we will do that if we get there.
jordan holmes
We would have thrown the take in from what we made at the playground.
dan friesen
But we got nothing.
jordan holmes
But we did not get paid.
We did not get paid.
dan friesen
It's only fair.
unidentified
Quite fair.
jordan holmes
Yeah, at the same time, that might be their financing strategy is just nobody's here to pay you.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
It's just an empty building.
dan friesen
Yeah, yeah.
Also, no one's there at the box office.
alex jones
Yeah.
dan friesen
So that might sound like that.
That's true.
Nobody was there.
But anyway, yeah, so that's where we're at.
If you want to support, you can go to knowledgefight.com, click support the show, become PolicyWonk.
unidentified
For sure.
dan friesen
We would appreciate it.
But, Jordan.
jordan holmes
I will tell you.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
I will tell you today you inspired me.
dan friesen
Okay.
jordan holmes
Because Andrew Jackson can go fuck himself.
dan friesen
I agree.
alex jones
Andy in Kansas.
You're on the air.
Thanks for holding.
unidentified
Hello, Alex.
I'm a first-time caller.
I'm a huge fan.
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