Knowledge Fight - #116: January 5, 2018

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#116: January 5, 2018

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Dan Friesen and Jordan Holmes dissect Alex Jones’ January 5, 2018 rant, where he pivots from Michael Wolf’s Fire and Fury controversy to a 10-minute demonization of Brian Stelter’s smile, invoking anti-Semitic tropes like blood-drinking rituals. They expose Jones’ refusal to engage with creative nonfiction critiques or Bannon’s documented feuds, instead framing globalists as psychopaths poisoning vaccines while comparing Trump to mythologized William Wallace—despite his brutal execution. Contradictions abound: Jones mocks Logan Paul’s Suicide Forest video as a psyop yet exploits similar themes, revealing a pattern of manufactured outrage and selective moral indignation that fuels his audience without substance. [Automatically generated summary]
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alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Andy in Kansas, you're on the air.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Thanks for holding.
unidentified		Hello, Alex.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I'm a first-time caller.
unidentified		I'm a huge fan.
unidentified		I love your work.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		I love you.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Hey, everybody.
		Welcome back to Knowledge Fight.
		I'm Dan.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I'm Jordan.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		We're a couple dudes who like to sit around, drink novelty beverages, and talk a little bit about Alex Jones.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		That is indeed what we do, Dan.
		Dan, is there a hook to this podcast?
		I'm all business today, Dan.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		There's a hook.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And it is that I know a lot about Alex Jones.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I don't know anything about Alex Jones.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Let's get down to business because I'm all business today, Dan.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Nitty, gritty, scrappy.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Let's get into the details of stuff.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		In that case, I would like to welcome a couple new policy wonks.
		Oh, shit.
		To be fair, these are foreign policy wonks.
		So that is people who have donated in the past and bumped up their donations.
unidentified		All right.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And now have a new foreign policy wonk status.
		Excellent.
		First of all, I'd like to welcome to the foreign policy ranks Ian.
		Thank you so much.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		I'm a policy wonk.
unidentified		Four stars.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Go home to your mother and tell her you're brilliant.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Thanks, Ian.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Also, thank you going out to Jesse.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Thank you so much.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		I'm a policy wonk.
unidentified		Four stars.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Go home to your mother and tell her you're brilliant.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		We really appreciate it.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I have heard that clip so many fucking times.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So good.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		It shouldn't be funny anymore.
		I should be inured against it and just be like, ah, that's, hey, congratulations on becoming a foreign policy wonk.
		But part of me is like, dude, just donate another cent.
		I want to hear this clip more.
		Dan won't play it for me anymore.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		The just brutal funniness of Steve Pieczenik's cattiness is it'll never grow old.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Hey, great.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Good for you, you fucking dick.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Because that's what he's saying.
unidentified		I know.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It's perfect.
		Because Alex, if people don't remember, that's in response to Alex saying, like, I was always like 9-11.
		I was right about that.
		Four stars.
		Go tell your horse.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, yeah.
unidentified		And it's a piss out of Alex's entire personality.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		It's even better because Alex never gets that shit from his guests.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		No.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Never.
		No guest is ever like, hey, Alex, how about you tone it down and go fuck yourself?
		You ever consider that?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		You're not so great, you dick.
		Love it.
		And I love the people who donate to the show.
		Thank you very much.
		Absolutely.
		If you'd like to become policy wonk, you can go to knowledgefight.com, click support the show.
		As I mentioned at the end of the last episode, we are trying to bump up the donations.
		$100 this month.
		And I am thrilled to report within one episode, we are up $28 in donations.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Holy shit.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So we really thank everybody.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And if you'd like to join in on that, if we can get to that mark, if we can reach our goal by the end of January, we will start releasing a documentary coverage, I guess, of Alex Jones' film Endgame that will be devastating and exhaustive for everybody involved.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I know.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		That's true.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It's a two and a half hour documentary.
		Why?
		Our coverage will probably take six, seven hours.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I'm the biggest Star Wars fan, and the last Jedi could have lost like 10 minutes, and I would have still been very, very happy with it.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		This will be six Last Jedi back-to-back-to-back topic.
		Ouch.
		So, Jordan, today, what we're going to be going over is the January 5th, 2018 episode of the Alex Jones Show.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		You know, we're going to have to get into that.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		We're going to do that thing that everybody does every January where it's like, I'm not used to this 2018 thing yet.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I've been fine in writing and all that stuff.
		No one writes checks anymore.
		You can get that hack joke out of here.
		Absolutely.
		But I've been fine with it just verbally there, I almost said.
		But I do that all the time.
		Right.
		Because we jump back and forth in history.
		It's always.
		But yeah, it's 2018, January 5th.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		All right.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Friday.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		One year older, one year wiser.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Indeed.
		And Alex is no different.
		So in the days previous to this, Alex has been sort of trying to wrestle with the Bannon revelation.
		Yes.
		And we haven't talked since that broke, since that news broke.
unidentified		Right.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And I think there's a lot of angles that are being played.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And I'm really not clear what's going on.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Now, here is my issue with all the angles being played, is that none of the angles that I have seen so far are similar to my own, which is so.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Everyone's stupid?
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I've seen actually a lot of that on Twitter.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I've seen a lot of people being very much like, what?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Who cares?
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Good.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And there is some truth to that, I think.
		But for everyone who is unaware of what we're talking about, Michael Wolf, a noted lying liar.
		Well, he's basically a creative nonfiction writer out of New York who covered the socialite scene and the media elites in New York in a very caddy, David Sederis-ish way, but probably less funny.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		He's a yellow journalist tabloid guy.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		No, see, I'm uncomfortable with that because it's not yellow journalism.
		It's straight-up essaying.
		It's creative nonfiction, and everybody who is aware of his writing is aware of that.
		It's not yellow journalism because he's not trying to, it's not propaganda.
		It's a style of writing that has its place in magazines.
unidentified		Right.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		No, I mean like the original yellow journalist, like William Randolph Hearst kind of yellow journalism.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		But those people, they operated for specific aims.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Not always.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		For the most part.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I mean, many of their aims were just so chaos amongst the world.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I guess if you you it's a stretch to me.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		But if you want to go with that, I'm going to allow it.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
unidentified		I'll let you know.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		You're so gracious.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		She's so gracious, Dan.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		In the aftermath of this piece coming out that Michael Wolf wrote, he wrote this book, Fire and Fury, that has now been pushed out to print.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It was supposed to come out much later.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Oh, of course.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Now it's out.
		There was an excerpt that came out that included a quote from Steve Bannon saying that the meeting between Kushner and Manafort and Vessel Nitskaya, the Russian lawyer, was treasonous.
		And so in the aftermath of that, Bannon didn't do shit.
		Right.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Bannon's response was, nah, we're good with Trump.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Everyone freaked out.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Right.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Like all the liberals, all the people on Twitter, all the commentators freaked out about this.
unidentified		Right.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And no one really took into account that this guy is a creative nonfiction writer.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Right.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Secondary after that, Alex freaked out.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I've seen many people, like the people from Splinter, like the Gawker shoot offs and those types of situations are always like the intercept.
		All of those guys were like, hold on now.
		This guy's a liar.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Well, people who are aware of him.
		Right.
		And this is going into my argument that there's no way Trump is not aware of him.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Right.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely.
		Because he's been covering Trump world essentially for decades.
		Yes.
		So Alex got duped by this to some extent.
unidentified		Okay.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And he got really furious and was like, this guy is a liar, but he doesn't understand why he's a liar.
		So he did an entire show about this guy making up quotes and stuff.
		He just looked at his Wikipedia page and didn't understand the nature of the guy's actual writing.
		Okay.
		So he did a really terrible job of it and was just like, yeah, Bannon, you know, look, hey, I don't want to go against Bannon.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		I don't want to infight that.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Look, this guy's a known liar.
		Also, Bannon has gone crazy.
		But this guy's a liar.
		Also, the quote's probably 80% true.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		He's trying to fit the whole circle in the same page.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yes, gotcha.
		And it's clunky as shit.
		The only person who's doing this right is Roger Stone.
		He is just like, I don't want to do it.
unidentified		I don't want to.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I hate to agree with Roger Stone, but he's nailing the nah, I'm out.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		On Thursday the 4th, Roger Stone was on, or maybe it was Wednesday, I can't remember which day it was, but he was like, I've been dealing with Michael Wolf for a long time.
		I know what he does.
		And Alex just couldn't understand, couldn't roll with the...
		If he had, he would have saved himself a lot of trouble.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Because Alex now has to figure out how to walk back the whole Bannon thing while at the same time he can't walk it.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I don't think he's definitive.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I don't think so.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Do you think he really does think Bannon's lost his mind or he's fallen in with Trump?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Well, he has no choice now.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Right.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Because Trump put out that press release the day that this excerpt leaked or this excerpt was released.
unidentified		Right.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Trump put out that statement that was scathing.
		Yes.
		Steve Bannon is a staffer.
unidentified		He's a man.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		He had nothing to do with my win.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yes, he was my campaign manager, but he was nowhere near me.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I put him on the National Security Council.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yep, yep.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Fuck.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		These people are so fucking stupid.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		But because of Trump coming out and saying that he's lost his mind, Alex now can't walk back that piece of the narrative.
unidentified		Of course.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And had he had a more full understanding of who Michael Wolf is, he could have built it up ahead of time with like, hey, guys, let's ignore this.
unidentified		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		That should have been his play.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Oh.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Easy.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It's not an opportunity for him to be like the media are a bunch of liars because this is different.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		And this guy isn't really a media.
unidentified		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		And so Alex finds himself in a very strange place where he's like, I've got to do something else.
		I've got to figure out a different way to handle this.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I am so excited to hear Alex Jones' solution to this problem.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Well, it's kind of going back to the well a little bit.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Oh, no.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And doing what he does best.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I was hoping for a creative nonfiction response.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		In some ways, it is.
		Okay.
		I think you could argue that it is in some ways.
		This has gone viral.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		He hired David Sederis to write his response.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		God, that would be so great.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		That would be so good.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		talk angry someday so alex um on the fifth he got into studio and he decided he was going to open his show with a fucked up rant And this has gone viral.
		This has made the rounds.
		You see it posted on all the sites.
		And generally, we like to ignore the things that everyone else talks about because there's not a whole lot of value in it.
		But in this case.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		No, I have no idea what you're fucking talking about.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		In this case, I think it is worthwhile because he does touch on a number of things that are relevant to our examinations of Alex.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		But he starts his show with a 10-minute rant about Brian Stelter.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		That is right on.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		So let's get into it.
		I've not cut anything out of the first commercial break, which is wall-to-wall this rant.
		Okay.
		But I've just put it into segments for our digestibility.
		And here is the first one.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		You know, Donald Trump over the weekend said something that really started to sink in for me right before we went live.
		Because it's so true.
		The truth is powerful.
		And Trump operates unlike any statesman I've seen in modern history in the truth.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		He's not a statesman.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		And that's what's so refreshing about it.
		But he said, you know, the mainstream media really needs me to win in 2020.
		You guys had almost no ratings and it completely imploded until I came along and you're still a shadow of your former selves because you're fake news.
		But he said, you need me.
		And look at the economy.
		Look at all of it.
		It's all roaring back and optimism and so many other good things.
		And Trump is delivering on what he said.
		Very sensible policies across the board.
		And they are just flipping out, completely inverting all of this.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So now let's talk about a few things.
		First of all, I think it's a mistake to ever look at the news as needing ratings.
		And that is maybe a systematic problem that we need to address in the future.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		That is a huge problem.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		But the idea that Trump's like, you need me, you need the bad guy.
		I mean, that's out of movies.
		That sort of mentality.
		Yeah.
		But look, I think.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Also, arguably correct.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It's debatable.
		I mean, you see that MSNBC's ratings are higher now than they were during the election.
		And who's to say how much of an effect Trump directly has on that?
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I mean, we're getting back to the Dark Knight territory.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		You know, without Batman, there wouldn't be a Joker.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Right, right.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Without Joker, there wouldn't be a Batman.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Right.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Whole thing.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Well, now you're in Alex Jones territory and looking at movies as allegorical for reality.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Well, but the whole point behind the Dark Knight was it was allegorical.
		Like, that was the idea.
		Right, right.
		Like, it was, like, that's choosing to ignore any art that is allegorical.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So now, further, Alex's sort of contention that Trump, like no other politician before, operates based on the truth is an ironic thing for him to be talking about.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So soon after Trump got rid of that election integrity commission that he had started to find all that, all that voter fraud, those millions of illegals that voted.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		So weird that they didn't find any of those voter fraud.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So weird that he did an executive order getting rid of that committee late at night, hoping that no one would notice.
		And in the executive order that came out, he's like he just blames the states.
		Yeah, like they wouldn't give us the information.
		Yeah, it's there, it's obvious.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		It's obvious.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Such bullshit, everybody nailed it.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So now we get to sensible policies.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Is I think you scoffed there?
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		All of his policies are very sensible.
		You know he wants 18 billion dollars to build a wall that no rational human being would see as a effective b, reasonable or c.
		Enough money to build a silly wall like it's a ridiculous proposition on all possible sides.
		It might be enough money to build a silly wall, that's true, if they painted the wall uh with, like Bozo the Clown Perfect, i'm way on board with that wall.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Right, you could get some advertising bucks too there.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Oh man, Nascar could sponsor the wall.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		That is just fucking gold, make no mistake.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		That would probably, of course, of course.
		So this is the beginning of the ran.
		So far we haven't really taken a turn towards the uh, you know what, why people are interested.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		So far it's just a setup of like yeah, Trump is right, he's bringing back the economy, all of this stuff.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And again we can sort of dismiss a lot of that because a lot of the gains in terms of the, the stock market, are the trends continuing that have been continuing right and a lot of this.
		Like these business optimism indexes are really just.
		I mean, they're speculative by business owners yes, and at the same time, they are based on an idea that they will have to pay less yeah, and be able to not treat their employees better.
		Well, the big thing, there will be less regulation governing how hard they screw us.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		The big thing that drives me insane whenever anybody talks about the economy going up is that the economy is going up so Long as we're still in the realm of imagination.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Like all of the economy going up is completely imaginary.
		Like the stock market rising.
		Once again, these are not tied to real things.
		Like Uber has a valuation of like $80 billion, whatever, and it's losing money constantly.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Really?
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		The floor on that is going to drop and they're going to explode.
		Bitcoin, why did it go up so high?
		Because all the trading is done by algorithms.
		Like all of this is imaginary money and none of it is going to people who work for a living.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Right, right.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		So that means that sooner or later reality is going to hit and it's going to hit people who work for a living.
		We didn't actually gain anything in the economy.
		Even whenever everybody said the economy was growing under Obama's years, normal people who work for a living did not actually gain anything during those times.
		No.
		Now, admittedly, we got more jobs during that time because at the 2007 financial crash, everybody fucking exploded.
		But hey, do you remember the 2007 financial crash?
		Dan, do you know why that financial crash happened?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Why is that?
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Because all the money was imaginary.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Right.
unidentified		So also, my point being, it's going to happen again.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
		I don't think anyone denies that.
		But also, I think at least the last time I checked on these small business optimism numbers, most of the like it's a composite of a bunch of different factors.
		And some of the factors are things like, do you think things are going to improve?
		And then there's other ones that are like, are you planning on raising inventory?
		Are you planning on hiring more?
		And those ones that directly affect people needing jobs or needing raises, those are stagnant.
		Those have not been growing, but the other factors have been growing high enough to make the optimism index go way up.
unidentified		Right.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And that, to me, is sort of artificial in terms of even that statistic meaning anything.
		Because the things that you would look for would be: are you raising inventory?
		Are you hiring more people?
		Do you have plans to expand?
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Do you think people are going to buy more shit?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Right.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I don't remember if that one's actually.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Who cares?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		But you know what I'm saying?
		Like, the things that would affect you and I, were we employees of these small businesses that are being indexed, those things aren't necessarily really changing.
		Right.
		But, you know, statistically, Alex isn't totally lying.
		He's just not really dealing with what the reality of those stats mean.
unidentified		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So anyway, that's not what people are not why this went viral.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Furthermore, generally speaking, no president in the changeover period of the first two years really has any actual effect on the economy.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		As I understand, it's more really the first year.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Exactly.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So two years is too much, I think.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		No, it's really two years.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		And even then, the only president who has really had a huge effect on it was Obama simply bypassing that massive almost trillion dollar stimulus bill.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Right.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Otherwise, it's just the previous administration and its policies overrunning.
		And then after two years, it's like, oh, we're all fucked.
		Like, it's the same shit that happens every time.
		Reagan had nothing to do with it.
		Anyways, continue.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Let's get to Greener Pastures so we can figure out why did this rant go viral.
unidentified		Okay.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		And now Michael Wolf, known for yellow journalism.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		I mean, he's famous for festooning his news reports with outright fabrications.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		That's not what that was.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Like you hang ornaments on a Christmas tree.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		You festoon ornaments on a Christmas tree?
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		He's now come out and said he has no way to know if any of it's true.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So let's talk about that really quick.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		There's no way to know if any of it's true.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Alex is reading a headline, and it's from AOL.com.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Great.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		The headline is: Michael Wolf says he can't be sure if parts of his explosive Trump book are true.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Now, Alex didn't read this article because in the second paragraph, just real close to the top, it says, Michael Wolfe, the author of Fire and Fury inside the Trump White House, included a note at the start which casts significant doubt on the reliability of specifics contained in the rest of its pages.
		A number of his sources, he says, were definitely lying to him.
		While some offered accounts that flatly contradict those of others.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Right.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		They were nonetheless included in the vivid account of the West Wing's workings in a process Wolfe describes as allowing the reader to judge whether they are true.
		So I think that that's as long as there is that caveat, I don't think that it's necessarily wrong to write that way.
		But it's stupid that Alex doesn't realize what the headline means.
		The headline means Michael Wolf came out and said, these fuckers were lying to me.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Right.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Which is obvious.
		That's obviously true.
		He's not saying, I don't know if I made stuff up, which is what Alex wants the audience to think.
		It's absolutely a complete misrepresentation and a lie.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		And furthermore, if you are quoting people, you should absolutely quote the ones who are directly contradicting other people.
		That's an important thing to put in the book.
		I don't know the context of how he reported it or anything along those lines, but if I were doing a story along those, like what he's doing right there, I would definitely make sure you heard, look at what this guy said, look at what that guy said.
		How do they compare to each other?
		And you decide who might be telling the truth, who might be lying, what their agendas are, all of those different types of things.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I haven't read the book at all, but I read that long excerpt in New York Mag, I believe, the one about Trump not wanting to win, sort of the thrust of it.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Do you mean what I have been saying the entire time?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I think a lot of people have.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		But I thought that the writing was a bit flowery.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, you're right.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		That wasn't supposed to jerk myself off.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		No, no, no.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I didn't take it that way either, but I took it to be, like, pretty, like, I hate to keep going back to Sedaris, but, like, he is the sort of archetype of creative nonfiction guy.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		He's lying a lot in his writing, but it's in order to create this ambiance and a spiritual truth or whatever.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And that is the sense that I got from that piece in New York Magazine, that there was a lot of truths in it hidden with assumptions on the level of Alex Jones when he says Megan Kelly thinks she's ugly and wants to go to NBC.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		The difference is that Alex Jones isn't doing creative nonfiction.
		He's pretending that he's a truth-teller and like, I literally never lie to you and that stuff.
		Whereas Wolf owns up to his style and what he does.
		I'm not trying to defend Wolf at all.
		He could be the biggest piece of shit in the world.
		I have no idea.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I texted you earlier.
		I was like, give me a reason to read this book.
		And I can't think of any reason.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I believe my response was, I can't.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, exactly.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I don't know.
		I don't know if there's any value in it.
		I think it could just reinforce a lot of ideas that people already have.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		That's my main issue with it is every story that's come out has completely corroborated what people want to be true.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And there's nothing to say that that's not true.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		No, absolutely not.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I worry about the mentality of getting your beliefs affirmed when the source of that affirmation is not necessarily strictly credible.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		And is somebody who has a history of saying things that you want to be true.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Right, right.
		And I've looked at, because he has been accused of fabricating quotes a number of times throughout his career.
		And I've looked at some of them, and some of them are like, yeah, he's probably lying about this.
		And then some of them are like, oh, they don't want this out.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Like, there are probably, there are at least a few examples, because he wrote a book called Burn Rate.
		And it was about his time water boils.
		Nope.
unidentified		Okay.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Tech startup type stuff.
		And he was talking about these CEOs who were all doing Coke and were assholes and shit like that.
		And some of their quotes were challenged.
		And obviously.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Obviously, they do Coke and say dumb shit.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I don't find that hard to believe.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Exactly.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Exactly.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		You know, there's a lot of quotes that a lot of people say that they don't want out necessarily.
		And Bannon has a history of that.
		Bannon and Mooch both ended up just say random ass shit whenever they feel like, probably drunkenly, calling reporters and not telling them it's off the record, which is a delight.
		So you have these guys who are like fucking, talk shit with you.
		Yeah asshole, yeah.
		And then uh, and then I don't know, I it says a lot that Bannon hasn't, at least at the point where we're recording this, come out and been like I didn't say those things, yeah no, or or the.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		The fact that Trump put out that statement right, his denial is the best proof.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		That was what I was trying to get to, uh right, when we were starting the beginning of uh this, when I was talking about everyone sort of treating it as if it's real.
		When it's, you don't need to respond.
		Alex played himself a little bit in terms of like not getting it together and figuring out how to approach this narrative, but Trump really played himself yeah, and I think that with that, who could have guessed that?
		And what that has to mean to me, I think, is that Wolf was around the White House and I think that he Trump, is worried that those quotes and a lot of the stuff that's going to be in that are true.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		But I don't know.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It's tough to war games this.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Some are true, some aren't true.
		That's kind of the situation.
		By denying it, you verify that at the very least, some are true.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Or, at the very least, you indicate that you're shook.
		You at least show your cards that you're worried.
		Yes.
		When, in all reality, all you have to do is say nothing.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		That's all you have to do.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Even better if you were just like, this guy is beneath me.
unidentified		Yeah.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I don't need to respond to this.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Are you guys aware of this guy's career?
		Like, please, I'm not going to dignify this with a response.
		Anybody who wasn't like, uh-oh, probably would behave that way.
unidentified		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And what I think is that that statement was advised to him by lawyers or something like that, or maybe not even lawyers, people around him being like, get ahead of the story, get ahead of this.
		And I think that that's telling.
		Anyway, back to the clip.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		And he's gone to say, quote, I'll do whatever is necessary to get the story.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Again, this is about Michael Wolf.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Any journalist would say that.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Right.
		Wolf in journalist clothing.
		By the way, this guy looks so disingenuous.
		I saw a photo of him last night smiling, and it reminded me of a piece I've been wanting to do for months.
		Guys, go to Google Images and get Brian Stelter smiling.
		It is the most disingenuous, wolf-like, demon face I've ever seen.
		And then you look at Wolf, it looks like Wolf is Brian Stelter's real daddy.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Oh, boy.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		That makes perfect sense.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So there's a couple things I want to bring into real sharp focus here.
		First, Alex Jones hates Brian Stelter.
		We've covered this in the past.
unidentified		Yes.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		He called him Mr., not Mr. Creepy.
		That was the guy with the mustache.
		But he went on that long jag talking about how Brian Stelter wants to get you in a van and shit like that.
		Right.
		He has a long documented history of hating Brian Stelter.
		And so that's not surprising.
		What is surprising to me is that for months, he's been planning on doing a special report about Brian Stelter's smile.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I am amazed that it has.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I'm amazed he didn't say for years I've been planning on doing that.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I don't know if Stelter's been on the scene for years as a thing.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I think he's, I mean, he's come to my awareness pretty recently.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I'm going to be honest.
		I'm going back and forth between pictures of Michael Wolf and Brian Stelter.
		He's got an argument.
unidentified		Alex has a.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		No, no, no, no.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Their smile is oddly similar.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		All right, fine.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Anyway, let's get deeper into this and enjoy where the rant kicks off in earnest.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		I'll come find it during the break because there's no way for you guys to know which ones I want.
		It's Brian Stelter.
		There it is.
		Oh my God.
		I mean, that is a horror movie cover.
		Seriously, he is scarier looking than it the clown.
		I mean, would you let your children anywhere near that psychopath?
		I mean, that is a psychopath right there.
		I mean, look at him.
		God.
		Oh, I mean, it just cries out.
		Danger, danger, alert, alert.
		I am a scumbag.
		I am filth.
		I am your enemy.
		And then you look at the photos of Wolf smiling, and it's the only person I've ever seen that looks that creepy, man.
		Oh, I can show you.
		It's a still image photo of him smiling the same way with that power trip look in his eyes.
		It's in Google Images.
		Just type in Michael Wolf journalist.
		That's his cover.
		And you'll see the Brian Stelter look.
		I believe he is related to Stelter.
		He's got to be.
		I mean, folks, I would literally not be able to finish my dinner if somebody walked over and talked to me that looked like these two guys.
		And I'm sorry.
		They're not just lying, anti-American scumbags that want to run us all on the ground because they're little men.
		They're pieces of crap.
		They think they're better than everybody.
		That's what it's about.
unidentified		It's the spirit of evil, and we must break them.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So, I mean, this is boring to us.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Everyone really loves this, but this is boring to us because it's so standard.
unidentified		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It's so much what Alex does, and even he can't get past, like, I am going to keep reminding you about this.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		This is about two men's smile.
unidentified		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		But he never can really even address things differently than they think they're better than us.
		They think they're better than me.
		They think they're so smart.
unidentified		Blah, It's all so standard.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		It's insecure.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		That's all he's got.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		It is fun.
		It's fun to see what goes viral.
		And imagine how much we would ruin it.
		Like, even currently, we're just like, yeah, that's him.
		Have you guys not?
		Oh, no, you haven't.
		Okay, well, fine.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		We do this so much.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		Enjoy this viral clip.
		Or you could listen to our show five years for five months ago.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		You could do that.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I would say that there is still some things that are worth it and pretty fun within this viral rant.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I'm in.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		But it bears mentioning.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Like, this is not like, this is par for the course for Alex.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I know.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		You guys could have just watched this show at any point.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I'm petty.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I'm worried that I'm not that smart.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I'm insecure.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Those guys are thinner than me.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I lie all the time, and therefore I'm worried that this other guy is lying.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It's just, it's very, his psychology bores me.
unidentified		Yeah.
unidentified		Yes, exactly.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So here we get into some evil talk.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Who is somebody a pedophile?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		No, we don't get there.
		I don't think yet.
		But don't get me wrong.
		We'll get there.
unidentified		We'll get there.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		No, no, no, no.
		Don't worry.
		I knew we were going to bring pedophile into this.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So far, we're just at evil.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And then Alex makes a claim that I strongly disagree with.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Anytime I need energy now, I'm hanging Wolf and Stelter and Hillary.
		She's the other person that's got the same demon look.
		I'm better than you.
		I'm smarter than you.
		I'm a ravenous piece of garbage.
		And I'm going to hang all three of them on my office wall.
		In fact, I'm putting their faces up all over the office because I want people to know who the enemy is.
		Unbelievable.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Is that his ringtone?
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		You guys still haven't found the one.
		It's a body shot of Wolf, and he's looking down with that disingenuous predator look of I'm not even hiding the fact that I hate everybody and that I'm a piece of crap and that I want to abuse you and I want to lie to you and I want to hurt you.
		But then there's a disingenuousness where he thinks you don't know.
		And it's like a joke that we're not in on.
		No, that's not it.
		It's a body shot.
		It's him kind of looking down.
unidentified		It actually looks like he's got that same smile as Shelter.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		And these aren't photos that they themselves put out as publicity photos.
		I've tried to do joke photos like this to look disingenuous and I can make any face I want to.
		I can't pull it off because the eyes are always in the eyes.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So I invite anybody to just Google pictures of Alex Jones and look at his creepy ass eyes.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		You can hear how creepy his eyes are when he fake laughs.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, you can hear it.
		I don't even need to see the video.
		I'm just like, ooh, his eyes probably look creepy while he's fake laughing.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		This premise of like, I can't even get myself to look evil like these fucks is so flawed.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		It's a that is a good flawed premise right there.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Any Google image search you have of Alex Jones, you're going to see a real disastrous face.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Now, hold on.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		A devastating face.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Let's try and figure out, let's parse first off that sentence and second off what that look would be.
		So the first part of that sentence is they know.
		You can see it in their eyes when they're looking at you.
		I'm lying to you.
		I'm telling you falsehoods.
		I'm trying to eat you.
		But then also, there's a disingenuous look of you don't know.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Right.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Reindeer game thing.
unidentified		Yeah.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		What does that face look like?
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		What even is he describing?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		He's just fucking letting off steam.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I know, but the face that he's describing is somebody who's eating you while at the same time lying to you about thinking that you don't know.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		He's mad that he got launched off on a narrative about Steve Bannon losing his mind and shit like that.
		That's going to make his job so much more difficult now.
		Right.
		Because I think he's bitter about Michael Wolf.
unidentified		Right.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I think he's bitter that he didn't do his research on him before he committed to, hey, Bannon's lost his mind and has armed security around him at all times.
		He has paramilitary troops guarding him and shit like that.
		Yep.
		I think he's mad about that.
		I think he's probably a little bit mad at Trump for that statement because it boxes him into a corner.
		Now, I don't think that he can credibly cite Breitbart.
		He loses one of his allies, one of his major allies.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		He already thinks that Bannon has lost his mind, so that means the entirety of Breitbart is pretty much gone.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And it calls into question so many of the narratives that Breitbart pushed that Alex jumped on before.
		It calls into question Alex's credibility, and he knows that if anyone's paying attention, that is a thought that they have to have.
		It's like, hey, if Bannon is this manipulative and this fucking crazy, he didn't just get there overnight.
		Like, he's always been that guy.
		And therefore, look at the narratives that were coming out of Breitbart and think about whether they're true or not.
		Think about whether or not you, Alex Jones, got sued by Hamdi Ulakaya of Chibani Yogurt because of stories that you doubled down on that were published in Breitbart.
		Now, does that give you any pause?
		Do you now look at that slightly different Alex Emmerich Jones?
		Do you realize how played you've been?
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		You are taking the second step, which, as we both know, is not a possible thing for the world of Alex Jones.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It's fascinating.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		He's going to do another Breitbart story tomorrow.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Probably does on this show.
unidentified		Yeah.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		That's true.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		That's probably true.
unidentified		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I mean, so far, we've just had a wow.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		And in Breitbart, we're reporting that.
unidentified		Oh, he's not their editor right now.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I've got some steam coming out of my collared shirt.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I just, I don't understand this level of stupid.
		Like, legitimately, if we had a source that we really liked and then it came out, like, oh, this person's nuts.
		probably be like, hey, sorry we covered that stuff.
		And at the same time, call into question all the, you know, the things that were laid, the track that was laid because of stories from this source.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Do we have a source that we really like?
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I feel like we kind of hate everybody.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I like primary sources.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		No, I mean, like.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		That's the show.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Oh, no, it's credible sources.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, credible sources.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Credible sources.
unidentified		There we go.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		No, I take everything with a grain of salt.
unidentified		Yeah, I think we're like, even you like Greenwald a little bit, but even you admit that he's a salary.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		No, I think Greenwald is a complete asshole.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		You've cited him a number of times.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I have cited him a number of times, but at the same time, I think he's a complete asshole.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		And I think he's wrong at least as much as he's right.
		Like, anything he says, I take with a grain of salt.
		Yeah, early on.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Early on on the show, I think I, in particular, probably gave too much credibility to some stuff that had been on Twitter, but we addressed that at the time.
unidentified		Right.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And, you know, apologized.
unidentified		Yeah.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		No, I adjusted.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		That's what Alex is not doing.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Even people that we've talked about before, like Sarah Kensior, that kind of thing.
		Like, I like her.
		I think she's doing good work.
		But at the same time, I'm going to take everything she says with a grain of salt.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, absolutely.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Anybody who is predictive frustrates and angers me.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Well, predictive punditry, I guess, if you want to call it that.
		It seems unfair, but maybe.
		If you want to call it that, there's the problem of the future.
		You can always have things be right or wrong if you're predicting stuff.
		That's why I bucked when at the end of last year, you asked me for years' predictions.
		Like, nah.
unidentified		Right.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Not going to do it.
		I think I still nailed it, though.
		White people are going to be an issue.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Probably.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Speaking of a white guy, that's an issue.
unidentified		Hey!
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Alex Jones.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Nice transition.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		This rant's not nearly done.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		And again, I am always following my gut from now on with people.
		Just like Trump said, and they got big studies out.
		You can tell if somebody's lying.
		You can tell if somebody's been sick even a few hours, even though the virus or bacteria hasn't really replicated.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		What he's talking about.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I know that.
		I saw that.
		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		What he's talking about is that there are indications you can have.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It doesn't mean that everyone can pick up on those indications.
unidentified		No, it's.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So it's not like, hey, everyone has a superpower where they can tell if you're sick or lying.
		Right.
		It's just that, you know, there are little cues.
		Right.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Or like a genuine smile.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Like, there's something about the eyebrows or some shit like that that go up in whatever way.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I'm certain there is.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I'm sure there is.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I don't give a shit.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that sort of, that area of study has always been interesting, but at the same time, I don't want to use it.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, the sort of body language specialists they have on TV.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Right, right, right.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I don't want to boil down interaction to that level.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Very Malcolm Gladwellian, so to speak.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Hey, you love him.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I do not.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Your brain is such a supercomputer that your first shallow approximation is not shallow.
		It's the deepest thing.
		To paraphrase the president.
		But just look at Stelter again.
		Put him on screen.
		I think this all the broadcast should be is just a photo of Stelter smiling.
		Oh, oh my gosh.
		Oh, hell on earth.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		He's struggling now to try and figure out what to talk about other than stelter is weird.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It's almost orgasmic.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		It's Bernie Sanders, isn't it?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It's close.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So he pivots from near-orgasmic moaning into this.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		He wants to run your life.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		He wants to control every aspect of your life because he knows he is a cowardly, degenerate sack of anti-human trash.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Not like a man with ambition.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		I pledge before my heavenly father.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		Yes.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		He's going to pledge.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Time to pray.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		He's going to pledge to.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Time to pray, Dan.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		But like Brian Stelter wants to control everything.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		He's an ambitious man, even though he knows he's a coward.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		He's very ambitious.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		He's on CNN.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, he's a coward, though.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		That's crazy.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		You can tell he's a coward.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It's crazy to think that a high schooler would be like, I'm going to be on CNN.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		That's very ambitious.
unidentified		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I don't think he wants to be able to do that.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Well, it's crazy that somebody like Paul Ryan is like, we have been dreaming about disabling and destroying the welfare state since college.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		That's a weird thing to dream about.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		That's also ambitious.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it's ambitious.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		In the wrong direction.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		That I will resist them every way I can.
		These people are the literal demon spawn of the pit of hell.
		Look at him.
		And you know what?
		He is better than you if you keep letting him run your life.
		He runs your kids.
		He runs the schools.
		He runs the banks.
		This guy.
		The spirit.
		This smiling, leering devil that thinks you can't see what he is.
		He is your enemy.
		Period.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Very musical tone to it.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		All the narcissistic, devil-worshipping filth.
		I see you, enemy.
		I see you, enemy.
		Enemy!
		Enemy!
unidentified		You are my enemy!
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		And I swear total resistance to you with everything I've got.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		You don't really have a choice at this point.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I know.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		You're kind of in there.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		You've made your bed.
		This is not like an impressive moral stand against Brian Stelter.
		But at the same time, what he's saying is these smiles reveal the demonic force that's behind them.
		So when he says that Brian Stelter runs the schools and runs the banks, he's talking about the demon that possesses him.
		And now here's where we have to get into a really...
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Are we sure he's talking about that, Dan?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, he did say that.
unidentified		Oh, okay.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I think you were laughing while you said that.
		But what we really have to get into is this schizophrenia because it's really close to David Icke in terms of David Icke saying that people are shapeshifting lizards and what have you.
		David Icke, when he got a divorce, one of the grounds for divorce was that his wife was a lizard.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I mean, was he in a no-fault state?
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Because I feel like grounds for like if she is a lizard, that is kind of deceptive.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I don't know how England's laws work, so I can't comment on that.
		But that is the sort of mentality that Alex is manifesting.
		It's like anybody who's against us, I see a demon inside them.
		And that is really fucked up.
		That's really no way for us to operate as a society.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Like as much as we clown on Alex and like he's stupid and all this, we're not saying he's a demon.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		No.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Who never go to that extent.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		No.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Because there's very easy psychological explanations.
		He is damaged from his childhood.
		He's probably brain damaged.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Depending on which way you want to go, he has borderline personality disorder or oppositional defiance disorder or he's a psychopath.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Don't break the Goldwater rule.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I think we're past that.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I think the Gold Rodder rule is out the window.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And we're not professionals.
		No.
		But I just, I really, I really resent that.
		I really don't like that sort of approach because it's a dangerous thing.
		It's a dangerous game to play because you can just apply it to anybody.
unidentified		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And almost anybody has an unflattering picture of them that you could dig up somewhere where they look evil.
		Especially with Facebook now.
		If you can just get on someone's Facebook, you could find some crazy pictures and just be like, look at this guy, he's evil.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I feel like I don't have any pictures where I look evil so much more as like, if you get me from the right angle and the way my hair is parted, I look kind of like a penis.
		Like, that's evil.
		Fair.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Evil penis.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I do look like an evil penis.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		All right, so Alex at this point decides he's going to just jump into freaking out about demons.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Of course.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Disingenuous, fake, false, broke back.
		Pushed in.
		A defiler.
		A betrayer.
		A backstabber.
		A devil.
		You will pay.
		Yeah, you think I don't see your face, gum.
		You don't think I don't see you.
		Stelter.
		I see you.
		You understand me?
		I know what you think of me and my family.
		I see you right back.
		You understand that.
		You understand that, Delta?
		You will fall.
		You will not bring humanity down.
		God is going to destroy you.
		Get him off the screen.
		Oh, God, they're so evil.
		Just please, God, free us from them.
		They're drunk on our children's blood, for God's sake.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So, that is something that could be tossed aside as an aside, but as we know from listening to him, he genuinely believes that the globalists drink children's blood to harvest a drink chrome and get high off of it, which, of course, is silly.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And also an archaic anti-Semitic canard.
unidentified		Right.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		This is the blood libel coming back into effect.
unidentified		Yeah.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		They're coming for our women.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yep.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And now is probably a good time for me to bring up that Michael Wolf is Jewish.
		And now is another good time for me to bring up that Alex thinks that Brian Stelter is Jewish.
		But he was raised a Christian.
		He's now an atheist.
		But his wife is Jewish.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Ah, well, that's all I need to know.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		He was married in a Jewish ceremony.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Ah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And I don't think that that's a coincidence.
unidentified		Ah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I think that Alex, when he's talking about these people looking evil, I think he's responding to very Semitic archetypial facial features and the like.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		Yeah.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		That sounds right.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I think that's what this is all about.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Really?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Well, I think it's...
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I don't know.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I...
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I feel like Alex doesn't have the time to be conscious.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		At this level, though, this level of 10 minutes at the top of his show screaming about them being demons and then slipping in that they're drunk on our children's blood kind of thing.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Why is it stelter again?
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Is there a reason that it's stelter?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Because he has a smile that's like Michael Wolfe's.
		That's it.
		No, no, I know, but he also just hates Brian Stelter because he said a few things that are judgmental of Trump in the past.
unidentified		Oh.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And because he works for CNN, who, as we know, is ISIS.
unidentified		ISIS.
unidentified		Yeah.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Right.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		But I don't think it's a coincidence that the rant that he's going on isn't substantive about Wolf at all.
		It's about how he looks evil, and that links him to Brian Stelter, who also looks evil.
		And you even said they could be related.
		You looked at pictures of them.
		And what you're responding to is also fairly Jewish facial traits.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Am I anti-Semitic?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		You might have been a little bit.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I did not know that.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Well, I don't think your version is harmful in saying that they could be related.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		But again, Brian Stelter isn't Jewish.
		They have similar facial features.
		That's not my fault.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Brian Stelter isn't Jewish, but I think Alex is obviously a person.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I mean, that does have.
		Like, I don't know.
		Now I'm concerned.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		You shouldn't be concerned.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Now I'm concerned.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		You should be more concerned about the fact that that's probably what's motivating this demonic vitriol that Alex has, and the fact that he's not addressing any of the real issues about Wolf.
		If he was really just mad about Wolf being a liar and trying to take out his president, there's a lot more valuable approaches to take.
		Now, like, quite frankly, if he were just to go over his career and he were to address the idea that this guy is a creative nonfiction writer, basically, and that he spent his life manufacturing stories that are spiritually accurate, but not literally accurate.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Right, right, right.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		He could get a lot of sale out of that.
		He could get a lot of narratives about, like, we should just not believe this guy.
		He has an agenda.
		He could do any of those things.
		The fact that he's focusing almost exclusively on appearance and relating it to demons and then relating demons to, they're drunk on our children's blood, means that those things are connected in his brain.
		This appearance is a sign of a demon within you that wants to drink our children's blood.
		That is inexorable in my mind.
		Now connected.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Not to come to Alex's defense because, as we know, that's not a thing I like to do.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		But generally speaking, Alex goes after everybody's appearance.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		True, but often it's like they're ugly.
		Like with Megan Kelly, he's like, she's ugly.
		It's not that she's a demon and wants to drink your children's blood.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Right.
		No, but he's done that.
		He's done that plenty of times before.
		Right.
		And disregard.
		Like, I think that's just more of his go-to move.
		Anytime he feels challenged by anybody intellectually is he tries to cut them down appearance-wise.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		You're not wrong.
		You're not wrong.
		I think that I might be drawing too sharp a connection.
unidentified		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And I'm not making the, I would never make the argument that Alex is aware that this is what he's doing.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I just think that it is such a piece of his sort of worldview that he can't get away from it.
unidentified		Right, right.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		But like I was saying, I don't think that Alex literally believes.
		I think he believes this, but I don't think he knows he believes it.
		And I'm certain that he doesn't understand where these narratives come from.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I would say that this particular kind of thing may be subconscious because I don't think he has time amidst all of his hate to specifically single out Jews.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		No, but what I would posit is that he doesn't have the time because if he did, it would deconstruct so much of what he believes.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Right.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Like if he had the time to look into like, why the fuck do I think that these elites drink children's blood and scare them first?
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		And he's like, little Google.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Little Google.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		A lot of blood drinking traces back to something.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		William of Norwich.
		Well, like, if you, if he were to do that, he would only have two possible outcomes.
		One would be, oh, shit, so much of this is based on this blood libel shit.
		I got to deal with this more realistically.
		Right.
		Or he would have to be like, shit, since the 1400s, Jews have been doing this.
		Oh, my God.
		And then he'd have to turn into David Duke.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Now, that would be funny.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Right.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I mean, that would be negative, but if all of a sudden on his show he has a revelation moment where he's just like, it's Jews' fault.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		You'd be like, all right, dude, let's find out where this shit goes.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It would be like watching someone come out of the closet.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Oh, for sure.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		You'd be like, we know, Alex, just say it.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		We've known you were anti-Semitic forever.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It would be a problem, but it'd be a relief.
unidentified		Right.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Just embrace it.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Not like embrace it, but at least if it's out in the open, we can all deal with it.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And now's the time to make clear that anti-Semitism and being gay are not related at all.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		No, I don't.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Lest anyone take that out of context.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		If this is your first time listening to this show, let's make it very clear.
		I think everybody else knows that we're kind of against anti-Semitism.
		I shouldn't have said kind of.
unidentified		I'm going to go 100% against anti-Semitism.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So let's get back to this rant.
		I forgot.
		I mean, let's talk about this because in that last clip, I forgot.
		I was so caught up in the children's blood and what have you that I forgot the true comedy of Stelter!
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Shelter!
		My mortal enemy!
		It also has the feel of it.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It's so funny.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		It also has the feel of like Bueller's Day Off.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Bueller!
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		You've done it again, Shelter.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Join it again.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Anyway.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Okay, I'm going to stop right now.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		You're not.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		I'm going to find the photo of Wolf.
		The author of the.
		I'm just giving you a little bit of how they feel about you, see?
		But not the same spirit.
		From a spirit of will and strength against evil and recognizing evil and letting it know you understand what it's up to and that you see it.
		You understand?
		Because they don't want to be identified, but they want to hang it out right there in front of you and not be identified, like the Joker.
		I see it.
		I know what your real face is.
		Oh, they just absolutely love to hurt innocents.
		They just rub their hands together to break down civilization, to destroy families, to defile everything they can, and to deceive and to mislead.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So, again, so much of that, even right there, goes back to the protocols of the Elders of Zion in terms of its conception of the globalists.
		So, I mean, we could do this every day whenever we cover anything that goes back to anti-Semitism.
		Right, right.
		But it is valuable to bring up that the destruction of the family, lying to everybody, controlling the media, that stuff is all the globalists' new world order conception that is crafted from the fraudulent text, the protocols of the elders of Zion.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I know, but like, to me, it seems kind of odd for him to pull that language out specifically because even at my worst enemy, like, the only people I can think of who do delight in that kind of torture are serial killers.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		He thinks that the globalists are serial killers.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I know, but I mean, even like, I think bankers are, in general, psychopaths who are murdering us all.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		But at the same time, I know they go home and they actually care about their families or whatever.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Most of them shit.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		You know, like that kind of a thing.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		At the same rate as anyone does.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, exactly.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Like, there are people who are psychopaths through and through.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Right.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		But that doesn't mean that you can be, like, you can't do a sort of exploitative job and then have a normal life.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I would say there's a, like, whatever, like in John Ronson's The Psychopath Test, I would say that there's probably a higher percentage in banking and politics and that type of thing of psychopaths, but I still don't think they delight in torture in the same way that certain serial killers do.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		You know what I mean?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Like, there are a lot of psychopaths in the general population who just like don't give a shit.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		You know, like, that's just kind of their deal.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yep.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I agree.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I don't know what I was going to say.
		I had a rebuttal.
		Not a rebuttal, but sort of another thing, but I don't know what it was.
		Anyway.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Built their own universe of fraud.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		This is the compendium of their abomination desolation.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		That's a good rhyme.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Not really.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Let me continue here for a second.
		The author of the explosive new Trump book says he can't be sure if parts of it are true and just does whatever it takes to get in the news.
		Oh, there you go.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Again, read the articles, Alex.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Not what he said.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Read the articles.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Anyway, here's the end.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Also, in Michael Wolfe's book, from what I have heard about it, Trump, at a certain point, they're like, you know, all he does is read the headlines.
unidentified		And I'm like, that's why they get along.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, you guys are kindred spirits.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Well, there is that thing that was from that excerpt where Trump was quoted as saying he didn't know who John Boehner was.
		And that's not realistic.
		I didn't know that.
		There's one point where I believe Roger Ailes suggested Boehner as a chief of staff, as I remember the excerpt, and Trump's response was, Who is that?
		And I don't think that that can possibly be true.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Well, even if that is, like, I could see that being true in more of like a sarcastic, kind of biting sense of like, who even is that?
		You know, that kind of a thing.
		I would say that's probably, if you're taking that out of context, you could see that as like him being a doddering old sunlight.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I think it's impossible to sort of look at that as literally true.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Like, he doesn't know who this person who he's tweeted about him a bunch.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, for forever.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		But, but, yeah, I don't know, man.
		I just Alex has got to read.
		He's got to start reading.
		Oh, that's the other thing I wanted to bring up.
		When we were talking about this idea of his conception of the globalists as psychopaths and shit like that, like this year, especially, and a couple months before 2018 hit, I'd been reading a lot of primary globalist texts that Alex Jones puts out as like, these are evil.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		And you have come to the conclusion that Alex is correct.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Totally.
unidentified		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I've read multiple reports from the Club of Rome.
		Yes.
		I've read most of EcoScience, the 1600-page book by John P. Holdren.
		I've read countless other things, some Brigunu Brzezinski books.
		I've read some writings by Singer.
		And one of the things that I'm coming away with.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Not Brian Singer.
unidentified		No, no, no.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		No, fuck him.
		One of the things that I'm coming away from it with is actually a growing respect for the globalists.
		Well, not the globalists, but people in charge.
		I'm coming away from it with a very expanded respect for how difficult choices are.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And how big the world is.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Right.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And how, like, especially, like, we talked about this, I think, a little bit before, but the Club of Rome, one of their big things is that they look at the world's problems as being interconnected.
		And how if you work on one problem, often you can hurt another problem.
		And when you look at the world from that sort of holistic view, it becomes really difficult to make a choice.
		It becomes really difficult to advocate for a certain position.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		It's the paralysis of the serial aisle.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Right.
		And they don't.
		They generally don't advocate for a certain position.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Right.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		They discuss these are the things that could happen when X, Y, or Z happens.
		And it's fascinating to me.
		It makes me feel much more like we're in good hands.
unidentified		Well.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Because there are people who are going through that level of analysis.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And I couldn't do that.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		No, I mean, that's kind of the ultimate failure.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It turns out the opposite effect on me that he would want to have.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		No, of course.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I mean, that's kind of the failure of what Trump really is: he thinks it's just a guy who can do a thing.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Right.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		And that's just not how it works.
		Like, even to me, I think I can tell you a lot of solutions to problems.
		But if I were to apply a solution to a problem, that would almost certainly fuck up another issue.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Like, which is G variable, A, B, C, D, down to G variable that you hadn't considered would be completely fucked up.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Which is what, which is what Obama did do very well.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		He just didn't do certain solutions the way that would have been perhaps best.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And we'll get deeper into this as time goes on.
		But one of the things that I've also found pretty fascinating is I've read some conservative publications too that Alex complains about.
		And I'm finding pretty similar things there.
		Like, I disagree with their positions, but they're certainly not nearly as evil as Alex paints them out to be.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Right.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Like, even the Project for a New American Century document, like, there's a lot of problems in that, and I disagree with a lot of the worldview.
		But if you actually go read it, I'm not convinced that most of their intention wasn't to create a better situation where the United States could help the world.
		I don't know if I don't, I don't think it's proof that they did 9-11.
		Right.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Or?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		There are a lot of really fucked up things that you can find therein, but I think that generally, I don't know.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It's weird that I'm starting to have a trust of government.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		That is very strange.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		But again, these aren't really necessarily the government.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		They're sort of non-confidential.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Strangely enough, do you know what one thing that I have actually been coming not around on, but have been starting to respect?
		What's that?
		Trump's position on North Korea.
		Like, in all honesty, I know it's very wild, but I'm starting to think, like, just like Nixon's position of going to China.
		Yeah.
unidentified		No.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Like, you want crazy?
		I'll show you fucking crazy.
		You know, like that kind of a thing.
		In some ways, that is effective.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		You think you're logo?
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, exactly.
		Like, there is a certain extent of maybe you just call their fucking bluff.
		Like, that could be a thing.
		Like, I don't know.
		Like, the issue with that is that it's so high risk.
		It seems insane.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		There's zero room for if he has pocket aces or whatever, then the game is over.
		Yeah.
		You're all in and you have a loser hand.
		And I think.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		It's a fascinating idea that – I disagree with you coming around on it.
		No, no, no, no.
		I'm not.
		Okay.
		Maybe coming around on it should be a very qualified position.
		I think I am starting to see even by accident, because it's clearly by accident.
		There's no thoughtful position behind I've got a bigger dick than you.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Right.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		But at the same time, like.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Also, that really pissed Alex off.
		Yeah.
		Everyone talking about how those tweets were really about Trump's dick really pissed Alex off.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Really?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		He spent a good five, ten minutes talking about how like, come on, man.
		That's nonsense.
		Why are you trying to make this about sex?
		This is about buttons.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		No.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		This is about nukes.
		And everyone talks about how Trump's hands are so small.
		His hands are fine.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		No, but that's about his dick.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And also, everybody knows that it's more about your feet.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		That is a paraphrased quote from his show.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Do you mean Alex was talking about his dick?
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		In the defense of Trump not talking about his dick, Alex is like, I'm talking about my dick.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Everyone knows its feet.
		Crazy.
		I don't know, man.
		Like, I agree.
		I agree that there may be some validity to calling bluffs and what have you, but at the same time, where do you get after you call that bluff?
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		No, of course.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		No, no, no.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		The situation doesn't become stabilized.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		The only way you can call the bluff really is to attack.
unidentified		Right.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And if you attack, then there is no bluff.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Again, South Korea still gets destroyed.
		I'm not saying it's a good idea.
		I'm saying that I am starting to see, again, like you said, certain merits to the concept.
		They're not thoughtful.
		They're not thought out.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Let me push back against this.
		Because I think that actually what's going on is partially what you're talking about, but also partially a maintenance of the status quo.
		Because I think with this war of words that he's having over Twitter and this antagonizing of Kim Jong-un, what you have is a maintenance of the sort of strategic tension that we have in the world with this rogue state wants to attack its neighbors and their weird despotic regime.
		And ooh, we can't really do anything about it because they're going to attack everybody.
		That sort of status quo has lived with us since the Cold War.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		That's a really good point.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And what he's doing is not attacking them.
		He's not addressing the situation.
		He's just escalating that status quo.
		So now the status quo is going to be all of us scared all the time that he's going to say the wrong thing.
unidentified		Yes.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And then Kim Jong-un is going to.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		So what you're saying is that this is simply a more public version of mutually assured destruction that you would have seen in late 60s with the quote Russian menaces.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Somewhat, yeah.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		But I also think you just didn't hear fucking Eisenhower be like, hey, I got a bigger dick than Russia on Twitter.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I still don't think anyone's going to pop off.
		Like, I still don't think either Trump or Un is going to nuke anybody.
		Well.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		But the fear to me has nothing to do with those two lunatics and everything to do with what happened in Russia multiple times of just like, we're going to prepare for this eventuality.
		Then there's some kind of glitch or whatever.
		And some low-level guy is just like, I was told to push this button, and that's that.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And when you're in a regime like North Korea, there's much less chance that they are going to be as restrained as the Russians who saved the world.
unidentified		Right.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Well, the singular Russian dude who saved the world.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		We know of one, but there's nothing to say that that incident didn't happen more than once.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		No, I would say probably.
		No, of course.
		I would say probably if you know of one, it probably happened between four and six times, like that kind of a thing.
		So that's kind of.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		The potential for accidents is very high.
unidentified		Right.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		That's not.
		My fear isn't these two idiots.
		It's that trickle-down effect of everybody is constantly on red alert and always afraid.
		And when human beings are constantly on red alert, eventually you get an adrenaline situation.
		And you get a whoops.
		Exactly.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I still look at it.
		I think that that is something that is very valid and should be discussed more big picture.
		But at the same time, I still think when I look at Trump and his behavior, I think it's abhorrent.
		But at the same time, the function of it really doesn't change the status quo with North Korea.
		It just makes everyone more scared.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		That is a really good point, and I think it's valid, and I retract my position.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
		First retraction of 2018.
		I'm going to start keeping track.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		You've extracted many from me over the years, and I've only got a few from you.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I think if we're going to keep the running tally.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's because I'm more reasonable than you.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		That's true.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Your positions are often half-cocked.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I love the passion.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I am very much the guy that I am afraid of who might accidentally press the button.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Well, it's tough.
		I mean, I think it's probably tough for us to sit here and have the, like, you stake a position, and I'm like, well, hold on.
		When I spend literally almost all of my time reading these, like, I hate to keep going back to the Club of Rome, but these documents of like what you see when you read these documents are issues.
		There's an issue.
		There's a problem.
		And then it's 100 pages of what could happen, and then let's analyze that.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And so it's all like sort of, it's this gamesmanship in rhetoric through the text of like if this, then what.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And it gets me in that brain space.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I don't know why I need to say this, but I feel like I do, which is that if I were in a position of actually making a decision with real world effects, I would be far more likely to do what you do.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Let's run for president.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		You're just more willing to think about these things reasonably in a low-stakes environment.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Let's run for all.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Whereas in my situation with such low stakes, I'm like, fuck it, let's say random ass bullshit.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I got a little wine in me.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Let's run for office.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Let's do it.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		You can be president.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I'll be chief of staff.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I feel like, yeah, I feel like I would probably be a much better front man, and I would just let you make all the decisions.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I'll be your creepy chief of staff.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		You're the bannon of this situation.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Dare you.
		I'm trying to be less sloppy.
		All right.
		So we have one more clip of this rant, and then we'll get to what happens throughout the rest of right after it.
		But this rant takes us out to a commercial break, and it's mostly about demons.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Naturally.
		So he just runs around.
		And, you know, and I knew he was such a charlatan, according to his own words, basically, Mr. Wolfie, that Mr. Wolf in journalist clothing, as they're saying.
		But I said, oh, Bannon certainly is going to say he's been misquoted, and this was hyperbole, or he was juxtapositioning, or he was devil's advocating.
		Because, you know, I wore game things here on air, and the media takes it out of context, even though 20 seconds before, I said, I don't really believe this, but this is how they basically see it.
		And that's how they deceive.
		That's what they do.
		They're of their father.
		The devil.
		A spirit they worship.
		But they don't want you to know that it's all real.
		They are literal on their belly snakes.
		Now, I see the snakes in the grass.
		We will stand against them.
		I'm going to compose myself.
		And we'll be right back on the other side as we expose these wolves, these beasts that go about roaring, seeing who they may devour.
		Stay with me.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So that's a triumphant exit to break.
		Yes.
		Where are you at?
		Where are you at on that rant?
		That's what went viral.
		That's sort of what everyone's talking about.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I'm going to go with that's lame for us.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It's interesting that I think our conversation of the ramifications of a lot of this stuff is much different than with the rest of the world is going to be a little bit different.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I think we spiraled off on about 13 different tangents because to us, this is kind of run-of-the-mill shit, right?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Well, him freaking out and stuff like that.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		No, it's fun.
		I can see why people would see this as like a fun kind of thing to glom on to.
		Yeah.
		Mainly because now I have the question: if they are literal on their belly snakes.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Right.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Stelter.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Do they have fake arms and legs?
unidentified		Yes.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Who makes them?
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Because that's the guy we need to talk to.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Bezos.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		That's the all goes back to Amazon.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		It all goes back to Amazon.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I actually find that to be the most reasonable thing that has been said so far tonight.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Amazon will one day make us all fake arms as we are.
		Literal belly-dwelling snakes.
		What a bunch of horseshit.
		Yeah, I know.
		It's weird to me.
		I always get kind of surprised by what captures people's attention in terms of Alex because, like, I mean, we go back to this over and over again, but like last year on the March 30th episode where he told Adam Schiff he was going to kick his ass.
		Yeah.
		And then the rest of the episode is complete drunk nonsense.
unidentified		Right.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It's interesting to me that people glom on to that.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I'm going to kick your ass, you pussy.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Right.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		As opposed to, Alex Jones was drunk for three hours on air.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I'm not racist.
		I love Mexican food.
		Right.
		And Mexican women are very hot.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		There are four ways to learn.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Right.
		I mean, it's interesting to me.
		And I get on one level why people shared this like crazy.
		It's like, isn't it funny that he calls Brian Stelter a demon?
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Pretty standard.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Pretty run of the mill.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, we've seen him call a lot of folks demons in the past.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And also, I mean, it's important, I think.
		I genuinely believe that it's important to point out these things about the anti-Semitic rhetoric that he's spouting and how all his complaints on this rant that went viral were about appearance or they were triggered by appearance.
		That to me is not necessarily something I'm seeing being covered.
		And that kind of bothers me.
		Because I think anybody with a grasp of Alex, his history, what's important to him.
		And what you're saying, what you said earlier about him criticizing everyone's appearance is totally valid.
		But it's not, he's saying that they're ugly.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I'm not, I want to clarify that in specific.
		I don't see an issue with your analysis, and I am not trying to defend him as a he's an equal opportunity kind of hater.
		My point just being kind of is though.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I mean, that's fair.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I don't know.
		I definitely think that there is absolutely some anti-Semitic leanings behind it.
		I just wouldn't jump that far this particular time.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		It's simply my point.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I don't know.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I mean, I think as we look at stuff like this, although maybe that's a preemptive defense, because whenever I looked at their pictures, they're both bald, which I think is Jewish.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I don't know, man.
		I wish I hadn't said that.
		Oh, boy.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So, in this next clip, Alex comes back from commercial break, and he has a very, very weird take on sort of the Iran protests.
unidentified		Yes.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		This has a lot to do with liberals hating you, but then he gets into that.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		And I think that there's him immediately very self-conscious.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I really wish I hadn't said that.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I think it's a joke.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		He was not a God.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		You're fine.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		People like Hillary Clinton like to hurt people.
		Fake journalist, this wolf in the hen house.
		Michael Wolf.
unidentified		A lot of puns.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		People like him enjoy the climate of fake news media, corporate media, and the open season on the truth, open season on the president, open season on loyal, decent, hardworking, honorable folks.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Old season.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Duck season.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Open season because the trash knows it's being taken out.
		And so the trash is fighting for its political, cultural, and spiritual life.
		And its life is culturally ruling us.
		Leftist globalism allied with Islam.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it's about time.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		As Paul Watson's report on Infowars.com breaks it down is allied with radical Islam and is saying it isn't feminist to take your hijab off and the women standing up getting shot and killed in Iran and places like Tehran, they're not good.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		People aren't saying that.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		And Iran and the Mullahs are good.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		People aren't saying that.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Paul Watson lays it out news articles, videos, progressive left.
		There's the title.
		Progressive left embraces the hijab while actual feminists in Iran remove it to fight oppression and in some cases get tortured and killed and shot.
		Puts hundreds dead now.
		But that's okay because making a woman wear a hood over her head or cutting her genitals off is liberal.
		Because that's what liberals want.
		If they can't cut your womb out, and they can't butcher your baby in the womb, they're going to try to brain damage it with all their vaccines, their fluoride, and all the garbage.
		They admit that's their plan.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		That sounds right.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		That's poisoning the well narratives.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		That sounds right.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		That's all anti-Semitic shit, too.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		If we can't cut out wombs, what are we doing?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		That's just anti-Semitic shit there, too, man.
		That's like the poisoning the food, poisoning the water.
		The vaccines are tainted.
		That's all poisoning the well shit.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Coming for your women.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It becomes so boring.
		But also, this is such a massive misunderstanding of people's positions.
		And that is that if you want, like the liberals, people on the left, what he's talking about is like Linda Sarsour and those type of folks.
		Their argument is: if you want to wear a hijab, hijab, you can.
		I almost slipped into Alex's dumb pronunciation.
		No kidding.
		It's not anti-feminist to wear a hijab.
		It's not.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		It's anti-feminist to be forced to wear a hijab.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Or to be forced not to.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Hey!
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Those two things are the, they're the polar sides of the problem.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I think our issue is.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Being able to choose is.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Our issue isn't with the hijab, and it's more with the force.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I grew up with a Muslim family in my neighborhood, and I went to school with a number of Muslim children, and my dad is a religious studies professor, and so we were well plugged into communities.
		I knew tons of Muslim people growing up, and largely with girls that I knew who were Muslims.
		It was a choice for them.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And that most of them chose to.
		Now, whether or not that's social pressure or not, I'm not entirely sure.
		But it's in no way my place to say you're making the wrong choice.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Exactly.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Which is the issue I have with Quebec because they just passed the hijab ban in public spaces.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		That's crazy.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Just, but recently.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		That's crazy.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		It's crazy, right?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Right.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		And I think it is as awful as a majority Muslim country passing a, if you don't wear a hijab, you're blah, And to that whole thing.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And to play this game, too, like, if Alex really wants to be consistent on all this stuff, he would really have to take issue with the Amish, the Mennonites.
		Right.
		All the Anabaptists.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Well, they're allowed to wear colors now, so that's fine.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Well, women wear like hoods, essentially.
		They wear bonnets.
		Right.
		And stuff like that.
		Or Jewish people wearing yarmukas.
		Stuff like that.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I can't, I have to recuse myself.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I have a whole bit about this.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Well, but you know what I'm saying?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Like, all that stuff sort of, there's a trickle down to it that he's not taking into account.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		When my family was in a cult, all of the women were forced to dress the same.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		They aren't allowed to stay It's always hidden behind modesty But at the same time It's control of the feminine Or whatever Well, if you want to go into the masculine, even.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		If you want to go into that type of narrative that we talked about with the one dumb lady from Alaska who's like, he's taking women all the way away from her culture.
		That is such a consistent thing whenever you talk about other types of women controlling narratives is we have to protect them.
		And by doing so, we remove any and all of their freedoms.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		We're afraid of their sexuality.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Exactly.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And I mean, as much as we talk about how much of his stupid shit goes back to anti-Semitic canards, this goes back to the first book of the Bible.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		That's a good point.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		You know, it just goes back to that.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		You let a woman make a decision for herself and the whole world is fucked.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		That's that whole fundamentalist tradition of Eve's fall.
		You know, like that sort of thing.
		Adam would have been fine if it wasn't for Eve.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Right.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		That's where this controlling of women in religions historically roots from.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It's fucking nonsense.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Which is even more fascinating because if you do go back to that type of roots of religion thing, it did not become so male-dominated until it became popular.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Totally.
unidentified		Like the early churches were all women.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Like women were the gatekeepers.
		Like if you talk about Greek culture, women were the most spiritual leaders.
		And then we get into monotheism and who would have guessed men use it to control everybody.
		Like that's kind of the situation there.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It's almost as if religion isn't bad, but the centralization and control of it as a political and social force is something about that rings true.
		Anyway, what I was trying to get to, and I don't know, you know more about the Iran protest than I do, but I've not seen anybody on Twitter or writing op-eds being like, these fucking women taking off their hijabs are way out of line.
		Love the mullahs.
		I've not seen that perspective at all.
		All he's trying to do is score points off his already established Linda Sarsour wants you to put on a hijab for feminism, and then being like, look, they don't support these people in Iran.
		I think most people's perspective on the protests in Iran is pretty complicated stuff.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		It is, I don't know.
		It's one of those things that is very similar.
		I would liken the protests in Iran to voting for Roy Moore.
		So as far as that goes.
		Yeah.
		So when you talk about that type of situation, once again, in Alabama, because of its fundamentalist, racist, and religious roots, you wind up having 60% of white women voting for a guy who is clearly against any and all rights for white women.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And like the same sort of statistical track for evangelicals.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Right.
		And then you look at Iran and you see the counter-protests that were run by very pro-government sources who, you know, supported and put that together.
		And you have that same kind of older women kind of situation where it's like, you have to do this because that is the tradition, even though they are the ones who have been most subjugated by it.
		And you find out anytime there is a protest of the poor and the young, everybody gets fucked.
		Like, that's the situation that is going on in Iran right now.
		It is the poor and it is the young, and they are fighting back and they are going to get destroyed because they simply aren't allowed to associate in the way that they should be.
		Right now, in so many universities in Iran, in Tehran, and in many of the different cities, you find preemptive arrests going on, which are bananas.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Well, it's much like what we've seen in Turkey already.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Right.
		You destroy, or the cultural revolution in China.
		You destroy any kind of ability for educated, youthful people who are also the most unemployed in Iran.
		You destroy any ability for them to gather, and then you can centralize power between people who use tradition and just overwhelming force to defeat them.
		And that's the situation in Iran.
		It is the protest.
		As I wrote, it is the protest that all of us should be having that we are all incapable of having.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It has less to do with liberals wanting to cut women.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		No, it has nothing to do with women having their wombs removed.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		No.
		Or liberals being in favor of that.
		I think that most liberal folk that I know do support, in as much as they can, the protests that are going on.
		I don't think that there's any real legitimate way for us to support it.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		It's inexplicable that Nikki Haley would try and draw a UN conference to support protests that would abjectly destroy her life if they were to happen here.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Right.
		But because they're in a state that we are opposed to, it's profitable.
		It's almost like the inverse of the Arab Spring to some extent.
		And it's really interesting to see Alex be very pro this time and very anti-about other states where similar things like this have happened.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Well, Egypt and Saudi Arabia are our, quote, allies.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		And Iran is our, quote, enemy.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		And that's where you get into trouble.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's where this worldview is stupid.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		It is so stupid.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		There are people.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		It is stupid.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		They're people who have grievances.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		But that's the ultimate failure of nationalism.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Totally.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Nationalism suggests that the leaders of a country are the country.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		When in reality, most Americans are not Trump-like.
		And yet, by Trump, I know one guy who is.
		I do know one guy who is.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		We talk about him a lot.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I know, like, 37% of the population who is.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Like, it's that kind of situation.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I think we're going to start to understand that dynamic a lot more as time goes on.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Nations are a failure of humanity.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Anyways, let's keep going.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		That's an interesting idea, and I kind of agree.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		But be that as it may, I think the best case scenario and the best look for the world is collectivism, quite frankly.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		You're a globalist!
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I am.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I think.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I think we are too.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I think so.
		I don't want to poison the water, but it is the idea.
		So I was reading H.G. Wells.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I mean, put it this way.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		We specifically describe people who support this show as policy wonks, foreign policy wonks, and globalists.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		That's a little tongue-in-cheek.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		That is tongue-in-cheek, and yet at the same time.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So Alex has got a lot of ideas on this episode.
		He's got a lot of bullshit.
		Like I told you, he had sort of vaguely turned against Bannon, but also was couching it before about this idea that this guy is a liar.
unidentified		Yes.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		In this next clip, we find on this Friday, he's turned.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Gotcha.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		He just sits there and goes, oh, I love Trump, and then sits back and watches his attempt to blow up the White House politically.
		He lights the fuse, walks off the safe distance.
		He goes, Is it snowing outside?
		No, it's dandruff.
		Ketchup stains down the front of him.
		I'm the liberty movement.
		I came with money and took over Bret Bart after he died.
		I'm the kingpin.
		I'm the god.
		I'm the liberty movement.
		Meanwhile, he's behind the scenes leaking everything.
		The New York Times, Washington Post, by the way, leaking B-esque.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		A couple of quick things.
		Alex Jones, here's a direct quote from him: Infowars powers the Trump movement.
		So that's a little fun.
		Secondarily, Alex, don't fucking pretend that Bannon wasn't leaking to you.
		Yeah.
		Don't fucking pretend he wasn't leaking to Roger Stone.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, exactly.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		If he wasn't leaking directly to you, he was leaking to you through Roger Stone.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		All of the narratives that Alex was pitching about how Kushner is a globalist and all this stuff, that's directly stuff that obviously had its genesis with Bannon.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Their feud in the White House, of course, was the driving force behind that.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And the whole time that Alex was pitching this narrative that Reince Priebus was the global, was the leaker, was almost certainly Steve Bannon saying that.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Like, because those two also had a bit of a feud.
		A lot of feuds in this White House.
		A lot of Palace intrigue.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Not very well coordinated.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Right, so he should not be playing.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I mean, his audience doesn't fucking take the time to think about these things, but obviously most of his narratives came from Bannon.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I mean, what's interesting to me is I don't think his audience actually gives a shit about the Palace Intrigue either.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		No, I think they do.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Do you think so?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I think so.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		From when you keep doing this other thing.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I don't know.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I think that they're fooled into thinking that there is some credibility to it.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Because I think the way that Alex sells it is that the Palace intrigue isn't just dicks being dicks.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Right.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Which is what it is.
unidentified		Okay.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I think that the way he sells it to his audience and the way that they ingest it is there is a team of globalists and then there's a team of Trump people.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And they're doing war.
		And so this Palace intrigue isn't just the idea of your elites having petty squabbles.
		It's actually one team who is trying to save the world.
		It's the deep state versus the so he's been able to recontextualize and rebrand Palace Intrigue into a way that his audience does like.
		I think that's probably most accurate.
unidentified		Is winners versus losers.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		They're all losers, but I think in his way that you make an Alex Jones audience interested in this dumb palace intrigue stuff is these are the good guys who are winning, just like we are all winning.
		Right.
		There's a counter-counter-revolution.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I think it's less winners and losers and more a misappropriation of stakes.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		But isn't that isn't that ultimately his idea of what his audience is interested in?
		They want to see people win.
		They want to see the winners.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		White people win.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Oh, that's a good point.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, possibly.
		But I think at the same time, he's already spent so much time couching, like, they might take him out.
		They might, we might lose.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Right.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Like that sort of thing.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		But it's always, it's always.
		We're winning.
		We're the winners.
		We're winning all the time.
		They're still coming after us.
		And we're losing on all fronts.
		But we're winning.
		We're the winners.
		We're always winning.
		But we're on the edge of losing at all times.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And what does that tell you?
		I think that tells you that the fight is really more important to the narrative than the winning or losing.
		The presentation of winning and losing, he can sell either to move product and to keep people engaged.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		True.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		But without squabble, without fight, there is no way he can keep his machine moving.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		It's perpetual war on a political scale.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		But like tomorrow, he could come out and he could do a show where he's like, we are fucking losing.
		And he could use that.
		Right.
		He could use that to his advantage.
		He couldn't use all is well.
		Everybody is, everything's operating well.
		Like, Trump is doing all the right things and people seem to be enjoying it.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		That's true.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		There's no way he could use that.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Right.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		He needs the false boogeyman, the antagonist that is imagined in order to fuel his rhetoric.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Which then we go back to his comment about the media needs Trump.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Right.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Like, there isn't, I do think there's an arguable position to support him in that analysis.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Well, only about himself.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		If he's in the media, fair enough.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Fair enough.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Because I don't think that the media needs somebody to fight against.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I mean, I remember when I was younger watching McNeil Lehrer hour, and it was boring as hell, but at the same time, it was informative and it was the news.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		But that's where your position goes back to the very beginning, which is the news shouldn't care about ratings.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Right.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Just like Alex needs to move product, so does the news need to move advertising dollars.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Well, and that's another, I mean, that's a much bigger conversation, but I think we probably.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		And let's get into it now and solve it.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I mean, let's not, but I'll make my position totally clear.
		Let's get rid of these fucking networks.
		There's no point in them.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Fuck you, Ruper Moderak.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, Murdock.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Anyway, anyway, he has worst things to say about Bannon.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Right.
		And running around, we now know the FBI fawning and agreeing with the Russia investigation in a hope to, I guess, sabotage the White House and have his cake and eat it too.
		Because see the sociopaths and psychopaths or weak people that have been abused themselves and they go out and do it to others.
		They feel like they're owed something.
		I find a lot of times that's really what it is.
		I think Bannon's kind of one of those.
		He wants to show everybody he's the big man.
		He's the tough guy.
		He's the leader.
		He's in control.
		And he's got to overthrow everybody around him so he can feel like he's big.
		He's number one.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I agree with that.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		That's not the case with Wolfie and Stelter and Clinton.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		They know exactly what they're doing and they hate everybody around them.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Great.
		Man, she's a good person.
		Are we going to do it, Jocelyn Elders?
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I'm all in on that impression.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So, like, dude, that, like, your yelling projection is totally the case there.
		Like, he's projecting his psychology into another person, even to the point of, like, I don't want to fucking break the Goldwater rule.
		I don't want to come down on Alex because I think he probably has some abuse in his history.
		Like, I don't feel like that's good to mock or anything like that.
		But even by his own words, like, the idea that whether or not she actually did, he felt like his mom said he couldn't get love after the age of five or six.
		Like, that's a good idea.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Although we may have information that says she did not do that.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		No, probably not.
		But that doesn't change that that's how he felt.
		And that doesn't change that it's emotionally real to him.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Right.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And, like, so.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		True, true.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		You're right about that.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		The fact that 35 years later he's on the radio crying, talking about that, that means that it's something real to him in some form or another.
		Yes.
		And to me, that indicates that there, I mean, he did not have a great childhood.
		Something went wrong.
		But I'm not making fun of him for that.
		But I am saying that look at what he's saying about Steve Bannon.
		He's like, you know, maybe he's just one of these guys who was abused and all that.
		Pushing that off is weird.
		And then after that, describing himself.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		That's troubling.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Immediately describing himself.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Like, want to take down everyone around them to feel like the big man.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It's like, you've created a fake worldview to fight against.
unidentified		Yeah.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Well, not just that, but look at the people that he has surrounded himself with.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		All of the people.
		Everyone's gone.
		All the people that, well, I mean.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Not currently, but everyone goes.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Everyone leaves.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		All the people that he has around himself currently are clearly people he can bully.
		He can prove himself to be superior than.
		Imagine if he's a bad person.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Rob Dude's an alpha.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		Well, imagine if he hired somebody as competent as him.
		They would be fired immediately.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It would be impossible, man.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		There's no one as competent as him.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		All right.
		All right, Dan.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		No, I get what you mean.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I don't mean competent because competent is too strong a word.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Right.
		I don't know.
		It bums me out.
		It bums me out because the perspective that we have on him and the way he presents himself are so like he's so inconsistent with himself.
		It just makes me sad.
unidentified		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Makes me bummed out.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		It's an interesting thing to have.
		I don't know.
		If you're capable of empathy, you often wind up being capable of empathy with, not to use his language, but with the devil or that kind of a thing.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Sympathy for the devil.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		That kind of, how many times have you read the childhood of a serial killer and been like, oh man, that must have been horrific.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Totally.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		You have empathy for them.
		At the same time, they need to be taken down.
		Right.
		You know?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Right.
		Your behavior exceeds the empathy we have for you based on your circumstances.
		And I think Alex is way past that.
		Granted, he hasn't killed anybody or anything, but has he?
		Nonk.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Nonk.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Not a person.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Horn.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Anyway, in this next clip, Alex.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		The only hero in Alex Jones' story is that.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		We miss him.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		In this next clip.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Hashtag RAP Nock.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Alex Jones makes an assertion about the Globalists.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I wish I hadn't said that either.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		And so they want to ruin and wreck civilization, and they are committed to doing it.
		And they are committed to hurting you and your family, poisoning your food and water, watching your children be brain damaged while they strut around and watch and gloat and laugh.
		None of these top leftists take vaccines.
		None of them.
		None of them eat GMO.
		None of them are into aspartame.
		It's for the president to drink and die.
		And it's for us to drink and die or your mother to drink and die.
		While they all just sit back and laugh as they literally have that.
		They always go, we're falling and we're scum.
		But when they walk around the shopping mall, they go, at least I'm hurting these people.
		And how can I hurt somebody right now?
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		So, so, so hold on, hold on.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		They still go to malls.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Sometimes Hillary will just go around to a shopping mall and just be like, well, at least I'm hurting these people.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I didn't win the presidency, but at least I'm hurting these people.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Interior shopping mall.
		November 9th.
		Bill and Hillary enter.
		Walk past a Wetzel's pretzel.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Very depressed.
		Very depressed.
		Very sad.
		Many people coming up to them, giving them accolades, wishing them well, and their next thought is, Bill.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Bill, dialogue.
unidentified		Nah, Hillary, do you want a pretzel with cheese dip?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It'll make you feel better.
		Hillary, dialogue.
		Nah, I don't feel worthy of a pretzel right now.
		I lost an election to Donald Trump.
		Bill, now hold on.
		Look around you.
		Look to the left.
		Look to the right.
		You just saw two people that you hurt.
		Keep your chin up, Hillary.
		You're hurting these people, and that's what matters.
		I lost the impression.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Improv?
		Rough.
		Dan, when you are writing scripts, you are gold, my friend.
		You are gold.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So ridiculous.
		Fucking idea is just crazy.
		That, like, I'll take solace in the fact that I'm hurting these people.
		All right.
unidentified		Well, keep your chin up.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Also, like, statistically, that's not the case about people on the left taking vaccines.
		No.
		The largest percentage of people who don't take vaccines are on the right.
		That is, you know, you find that within people who have, especially Tea Party-ish beliefs, much stronger distrust of vaccines.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yep.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		The more you know about vaccines, the less likely you are to not take them.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		On the same.
		I don't know if that's necessarily true.
		I find a lot of people on the left are also the people who are very distrustful of vaccines, of GMOs, like that type of situation.
unidentified		I think that's a different thing than vaccines.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Those are two completely different conversations.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		But do you know what is the same as vaccines?
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		What's that?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Totally dietary.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Same thing.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Well, you know, it is the same through all of them, though.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		They're all poisoning the well narratives.
unidentified		Yes.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It's all boring anti-Semitism repackaged.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I really thought you were almost at fuck Larry Nichols.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		No, no.
		But also, fuck Larry Nichols.
		Yes.
		So at this point, Alex, in that last clip, went off to commercial and he comes back and he's back on the stelter shit a little bit.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Helter Stelter?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Hell, just stay all time.
		He makes this claim that is crazy.
		This is so unsupported by anything.
		I just love it.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I'm excited for this clip.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		This guy is a known charlatan.
		It's simply insane.
		Just like his son, Ryan Stelter.
		I'm saying his spiritual son, because if you find the two smiling in photos, they're trying to keep all those photos off the internet.
		Seriously.
		Like photos of Hillary smiling.
		They remove him because he looks like a great white shark once about to attack and breach the surface.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		So if I understand correctly, both Wolf and Stelter are attempting individually, because we do not have proof that they are related to each other.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Spiritually, they are.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		You completely miss the point.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		No, I think my point is: why are they trying to keep pictures of themselves off the internet?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		You are missing pronoun reference.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It is about the two of them, pictures of them being kept off the internet, but it's they who are doing it.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It's the globalists that are trying to keep.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I thought it was both Stelter and Wolf who are like constantly on Google, like, get that off there!
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Get that off there!
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Also, do a Google English church.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		You'll find plenty of pictures of Stewand.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		So many pictures.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So many pictures.
		It's complete horseshit.
		But I love that idea because he can say stuff and it'd just be like a toss aside or whatever.
		But even in that case, he's like, seriously.
		Seriously.
		I know that they're trying to keep pictures of them smiling off the internet because it shows how evil they are.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Seems like a lot more work than is necessary.
		Why?
		How would you try and keep pictures of yourself off the internet?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		You wouldn't, Alex.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Don't they both have Facebook pages where they constantly update themselves with pictures?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		And Alex in the past has said that he's tried to get a picture of himself off the internet.
		There's a picture of him that he took for a magazine where he's like screaming at the camera.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Right.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And I wish I had a clip of this just to have receipts and everything, but it seemed so unimportant to me when I was listening to episodes from like 2014 that I didn't capture a clip of it.
		But he's just like, I wish I could get rid of that picture.
		They told me it was going to be in the front.
		It was on the back page.
		They're like, okay, that's your problem?
		Weird.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Also, stelter is your problem?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that's crazy.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		That's very strange.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		But I think it's just because he has to deflect somehow, because he can't substantively talk about the wolf issue.
		Right.
		Like I said in that last couple clips back.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Also, great name for our new show, The Wolf Issue.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		The Wolf Issue?
		Yeah.
		He shot on Bannon a couple clips back or whatever, but he's still not fully committed to being able to talk about why.
		He's not ready to get into the meat of have we been betrayed by one of the biggest influences of the last.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		By the fucking campaign manager and what?
		Trump whisperer for the first year or for the first eight months of Trump's campaign?
		Or Trump's office or Trump's presidency?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Well, but then also, I mean, who were the campaign managers?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		There was Manafort indicted.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Going to jail.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Roger Stone, Alex Jones' buddy.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Probably going to jail.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And then Bannon.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Theory.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Was Lewandowski a manager of the campaign or was he just like a weird dude?
		Okay.
		I thought he might have risen to that height.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		He was in there.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		He also apparently sexually assaulted Joy Via, the woman who wore a Make America Great Again dress to the Grammys.
		He made a big scene out of it, and then she was a frequent guest on Alex Jones' show talking about how bringing Trump into the musical world is going to be huge.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		And Lewandowski sexually assaulted her?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, recently.
		Like at a party.
		I don't think it was a New Year's Eve party.
		I can't remember what it was, but she was at some big Trump party, and Lewandowski slapped her ass, and then was like, she was like, what?
		And then he slapped her ass again, and apparently she's suing him.
unidentified		Great for her.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, great for her.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		Alex isn't talking about it.
		I mean, not good for her that she was sexually assaulted, but good for her that she felt.
		I mean, because fuck it.
		As we just saw recently, one of the Roy Moore accusers, her house was burned down, and it is too early to speculate and say that it was by a Roy Moore supporter.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		But it was by a Roy Moore.
		Otherwise, it's a wild coincidence.
		Anyway, just so I have some validation here, this is from Politico.
		Joy Via, who drew headlines for wearing a Make America Great Again dressed at the Grammys earlier this year, was celebrating the president's first year in office at a holiday party at the Trump International Hotel in Washington in late November when Lewandowski slapped her behind.
		After she objected, he dismissed her concerns and slapped her behind again, Via said in an interview Friday.
		Via 31 said she was circulating in the ballroom of the invite-only party with a friend who brought her over to introduce her to Lewandowski, whom she had never met.
		Her first impression, she said, was that he seemed dismissive of her, and he rolled his eyes when he thought she wanted to pose for a photo with him.
		I said, if you're busy, don't worry about it.
		We don't have to take a photo, Via, recalling Lewandow telling Lewandowski, who remains close with the president and attended a contentious Oval Office meeting on political strategy earlier this week.
		But Via said another reveler pushed her toward him, and she ended up standing next to him posing for a photo, despite his seeming lack of interest.
		I'm wearing a silver suit and stretchy pants, and after the photo, he smacks my ass really hard, Via said.
		It was completely demeaning and shocking.
		In the moment, Via said she confronted him.
		I said, watch it.
		Half joking.
		I said, I can report you for sexual harassment.
		Lewandowski's response, she said, was almost as shocking as the original slap.
		He said, go ahead.
		I work in the private sector, Via recalled.
		Then he smacks my ass again.
		Via's recollection of the incident was corroborated by a friend who witnessed the exchange.
		The friend said he wished to remain anonymous in part because of Lewandowski's continued influence in Trump circles.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Of course.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So Alex won't talk about that.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		He's willing to have her on when she's a propaganda tool, wearing a MAGA dress, but he's not willing to treat her like a human.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Hey, maybe MAGA people take that to heart.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And also, this one.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		You are valuable right up until the point where you are not, and you will be whatever it is they feel like.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And this also calls into memory of Lewandowski's assault on that reporter lady back, I think it was during the campaign, if I recall correctly.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I can't remember the timeline of that exactly, but if you watch the video of that, he absolutely grabs her, and it's pretty bad.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		It's hard to imagine anybody in the Trump circle not being a monster.
		I mean, in many different ways.
		Like, even look.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		That's why none of this is humanizing for Bannon.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I get Pence probably hasn't sexually harassed outside of his marriage, but he's a monster.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Unless you use Alex Jones' own logic about Jim Comey.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Oh, that's a good point.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		You know, these guys who are uptight, they're the ones who are going to be aware of the money.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		They're the ones you've got to worry about.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And if that's the case, then Mike Pence is the American psycho.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Mike Pence does seem to have all of the Dennis Hastert signals.
		You know what I'm saying?
		Like, he's got all of those characteristics.
		I'm not saying he's ever done anything.
		I'm definitely not accusing him of anything.
		I'm just saying that the parallels between the way his positions have been laid forth very Hesterdian.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I feel like he's more like that Foley.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I remember that.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Mick Foley?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
		Dave Foley.
		He's thrown off the hell in a cell.
		No, who is that congressman, Foley?
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Dave Foley?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		No, the guy with the wide stance at the, he was trying to surf for sex at a public bathroom.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Oh, oh, yeah, yeah, I know what you're talking about.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I can't remember his first name.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I can't remember his first name at all.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It's more like that.
		That's the vibe I get more from him.
		Not abusing people, but like just impressed with a secret.
unidentified		Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And I'm not saying he's gay necessarily, but a secret.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Some sort of secret.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		He's got something there.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I don't know.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Not fully human in experience.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Full-on full-on conspiracy theory.
		I like it.
		I'm going to go out on a full-on limb here.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Great.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Stone is working with the FBI.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I mean, I don't think that's that crazy to think at this point.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I don't think it's that crazy.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I mean, Stone is a good person.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Two months ago, we had that clip of him telling Alex straight up, Trump is fucking with you.
unidentified		Yeah.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Like, Stone seems like the guy who, if I was the FBI, I would lean on Stone and Stone would be like, oh, shit, yeah, I'm going to toss everybody over.
		I'm Stone.
		I don't give a fuck.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		He's had a life of self-preservation.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		To an extent that he's been able to navigate being intimately involved with any number of scandalous impeached president.
		Yeah.
		Disgraced president, a lot of campaigns that did not work out, and he's still able to survive and have some sort of stock.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And I don't think you do that necessarily by playing clean.
unidentified		Right.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And great.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Stone is much like Survivor in that, or Stone is much like Beyonce in that he is a survivor.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		He ain't going to give up.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		And he has a tattoo of Richard Nixon on his back.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
		Beyonce got that X and Tat.
		Look, obviously, I don't think that I'm going to co-sign your conspiracy theory, but if it does come out that he snitched or something like that, it would not surprise me at all.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Right in line, yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It wouldn't surprise me at all, especially because of like he's the only person who in the Infowars milieu who gets it.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Like in terms of with this Bannon stuff, with this Wolf stuff, he's the only person who's been on the show who's been like, guys.
		Like you could almost see him being on video being like, please stop.
		Please don't do this.
		Don't do this.
		This is unraveling.
		This is how you unravel is by giving credibility to this kind of a story.
		You don't have to attack this.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		He knows because he has decades of whole thing.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Is there.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		He's smarter than everyone else.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Is there a genuine possibility that Stone is the smartest person that has been around Trump so far?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		He's the smartest person who's on InfoWars, I think, for sure.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Well, yeah, but that's not a high bar to cross.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Now, the only problem, though, too, is that he has such a hair-trigger rage.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		He has such an anger about him, which is not what a smart person would have.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		That's true, that's true.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		But at the same time, freaking out and calling women cunts on Twitter and stuff like that doesn't have the political ramifications of believing a creative nonfiction writer inexplicably.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		It doesn't have the same connotations.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Well, like historically, I mean, think about this.
		Think about this.
		Historically, over the last year or so, it's been pretty clear that Bannon and Roger Stone aren't working in parallel.
		Right.
		There have been a number of times where Roger Stone has attacked Bannon for various things, and the two of them don't see eye to eye on stuff.
		Yes.
		Immediately after this story came out, when Roger was being interviewed on InfoWars, his take on it was, I know Michael Wolf.
		This is nonsense.
		And then beyond that, like, look, I mean, you know, Bannon goes around wearing too many button-up shirts at the same time, and that's fucking stupid.
		But look, we are co-workers.
		We're colleagues.
		We're not like, I'm going to attack the enemies.
		I'm not going to attack our allies.
		And that is telling to me.
		Right.
		Because he knows that this could uncover something.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And the only way it's going to uncover anything is if the people break ranks.
		Exactly.
		The people in the Alex Jones propaganda world, the people in Trump's save yourself kind of mentality working.
		The only way things are going to get bad is if they all start freaking out, and he's trying to keep it together.
		And Alex can't, I don't think he can get it.
		I think that he's going to lose it.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I don't think Stone is a mastermind by any stretch.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I think Stone has.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		This isn't mastermind strategy.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		No, no, no.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I think Stone just knows how to hitch his wagon and when to unhitch his wagon.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And when like he knows how to turn a wagon.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Like it's just very basic stuff.
unidentified		Right.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Very basic.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Right, right.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Anyway, in this next clip.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Weird tangent, but let's get on.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Alex Jones compares Donald Trump to a historical figure in a very interesting way.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		And Trump will be known as a titan of liberty.
		Someone that delivered.
		Someone that was honorable.
		And you all try to write the annals that he wasn't.
		But just like the British history books said William Wallace was this and that and a thief and a piece of garbage and a coward, everybody knows in history now he wasn't a coward.
		He was an armor man.
		Because everybody intrinsically knows everything you say is a pile of garbage.
		You are the lie.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		You want to talk about William Wallace a little bit?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		But before I do, I'd like to say that pretty much nothing historically is known about William Wallace except for around 1297 to 1298.
		That's pretty much the only period that's known about him.
		Everything else comes from an epic poem called The Acts and Deeds of Sir William Wallace, Knights of Airdese, Araldesee, written around 1470 by Blind Harry the Minstrel.
		Harry wrote from oral tradition to.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Blind Harry the Minstrel, amazing information about him, could see perfectly, could not play the liar.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Interesting.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Interesting.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Really, it was like a fake news.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Fake news name.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		It was like a really tall guy being named Tidy.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Anyway, he came up with this Acts and Deeds of Sir William Wallace 170 years after William Wallace lived.
		And, you know, historians think that it's a very unauthoritative take on William Wallace.
		But everybody knows that Beowulf was lying and most of the poem is clearly at variance with known historical facts and records of the period and is either fabricated using traditional chivalric motifs or borrowed from exploits of others and attributed to William Wallace.
		Right.
		The only things that we know about William Wallace are a couple of battles.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		He was a British noble.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		He's a Scottish dude who was a fucking, he was angry.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		He was angry.
		There was unrest at the time.
		The British were imposing a bunch of taxes that he didn't like on Scotland.
		And so he assassinated a dude.
		And in the telling of Blind Harry and then the movie with the great, great, not anti-Semitic motives.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Hold on.
		Hold on.
		Reign it in.
unidentified		Okay.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		In that movie, the story is told as this guy was trying to kill his wife and he saved his wife, or it was in response to that in some way.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And there's no historical record that backs that up.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		None at all.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It was probably just about taxation.
		Right.
		Which actually triggers Alex even more than a wife, certainly.
		And then the other thing is the Battle of Falkirk.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		As far as I understand, the only thing that William Wallace is actually known to have done is fight on a bridge while everybody's running away.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		He lost a battle, the Battle of Falkirk, where he was very overly confident, and the British fucking destroyed him.
		And granted, he escaped and was brutally murdered.
		Brutally.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		He wasn't good.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		The execution that they gave him, but there is historical record of that, and that is like that's nuts.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And the idea.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		He was drawn and quartered, if I remember correctly.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Even more than that.
		I mean, that's not even the extent of it.
		They hung him, but not to kill him.
		They hung him and then cut him down when he was about to go unconscious and then disemboweled him.
		Right.
		And they put his head on a spike.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, but that was standard for the time.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		No, it's excessive.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		The levels to, like, they kept almost killing him and then being like, no, we're going to kill you again.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		It's weird to know that how.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It was massive torture.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		It's weird to know how good people used to be at that.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		They were great.
unidentified		Yeah.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		They were really good at that.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Not good at doctors, diseases, but goddamn it if they couldn't kill a guy.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Well, by the way, you could assume that they could have fucked it up and accidentally killed him early in the torture that they were trying to kill.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		And they kind of.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And they got lucky and he didn't die before they had finished torturing him.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Well, now that said, it's entirely possible that he died after they hung him and they just kept doing it.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Like, at the time, they would often dig people up and put them on trial again.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It's my understanding that he was alive afterwards, as he was being disemboweled.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		But be that as it may, that sort of time machine.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		No, we need to disembowel a guy and see if he can survive that.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Got to hang him first.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		This, like, to me.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I nominate stone.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		This is the important piece.
		That sort of capital punishment was excessive, even for the time.
		And the fact that they would give that to someone means that this was not just a normal person who had failed in a battle or something like that.
		It was someone who the British fucking hated.
		And they hated him for some reason.
		But unfortunately, the historical records that we have don't tell exactly what that was.
		And there's no real reason to think he was a super honorable person.
unidentified		No.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Most of the accounts that come from that time are he's a brutal fucking dude.
		Like he would behave in ways like the British that killed him.
		And that might actually explain why they did that to him.
		I'm not entirely sure.
		But Alex saying that history has borne out that he was an honorable person or blah, blah, blah.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Not true.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		There's literally no way for him to know that.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Right.
		Ah, movie.
		Right.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It's a movie, or if you want to give Alex a little more credibility, which you shouldn't, oral tradition from this guy who is the Jonathan Wolf, or I'm sorry, Michael Wolf of his time.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Nice parallel.
		Nicely done.
		Way to slam dunk that.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Blind Harry is the fake news of his time.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		That's right, because he could see.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And Alex Jones.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		How else could he write it down?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Alex, I got news for you, baby.
		We don't need history to determine how bad a dude Trump is.
		That's happening concurrently.
unidentified		Yes.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And everyone has already known that for a while.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Anyway, this next clip, Alex Jones tries to make a metaphor and fails.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Losers!
		Trash!
		Filth!
		I mean, I just cannot express to you enough that we have to really not hate these people, but you don't hate a rotting dead literal demons.
		Carcass of a hog or a horse or a deer over on the side of the highway, but you don't want to run up to it and wallow in it and kiss it and marry it or take it home and put it in the bed with you.
		You don't take a dead, rotting horse with thousands of maggots on it and go stick it in your bed and curl up to it at night and love it and celebrate it.
		You just stay away from it.
		Okay.
		But see, we can't stay away because these people run our lives because they crave it.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So that's where the metaphor falls apart.
		I mean, it was bad from the drum.
		The metaphor is that the globalists are a dead carcass by the side of the road.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		And they crave you grabbing them and taking them.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		And bringing them to bed with you?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I guess.
		So his advice, I guess, is that you shouldn't take a carcass to bed.
		It's fine.
		I don't think anyone kisses carcasses.
		I know that's metaphorical, but I guess what he's saying is I guess what he's saying is don't fuck a globalist.
		But if that's the case.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I think what he's saying is he fucked a dead deer one time.
unidentified		It's simple enough not to fuck a globalist, I guess.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I don't know.
		It's these sorts of metaphors that leave way more questions than answers.
		Because it's like, okay, okay, I get you.
		You see a dead animal on the side of the road, leave it alone.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Right.
unidentified		Great.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Bad.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Great.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Dead animal, bad.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Great.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I'm with you on that metaphor.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, leave it alone.
unidentified		Yes.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		There's a State Department that's paid for through taxes and regulations that will clean that up eventually.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		You leave it alone.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Well, not if Trump has his way.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Well, Alex is going to have to take that carcass home then.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		But be that as it may.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		There's nothing going to be left for him to fuck.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		The issue to me comes to where is the bridge.
		Like with a metaphor.
		A metaphor is only as good as the connection to reality.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I-90 West?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
		Like, where is it?
		Where is the connection to the point that he's trying to make?
		The point he's trying to make is that globalists.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Wait, was he trying to make a point?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Well, it starts with him saying that these globalists, you shouldn't hate them, you should pity them.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Much like you pity an animal dead by the side of the road.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I suppose.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		But then it pivots to the animal by the side of the road is dangerous in some way because it wants to take over your life.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		So the animal is vaccines?
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I don't know.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It's all still globalists, but I don't know.
unidentified		I don't know.
unidentified		I don't get it.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I don't get it.
		It's troubling.
		Anyway.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Troubling, if true.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		We can leave that aside.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		We got one more clip, Jordan.
unidentified		Okay.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And in this next clip, Alex decides to get into hot topics.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Pop.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		The pop, hot topics.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Like the mall that Hillary goes to to say that she hurt somebody.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		No, this is about a YouTube celebrity.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Oh, it's the guy who did the thing with the suicide guy.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Logan.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Why are we doing this?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Well, actually, this is interesting because my prediction was that Alex would be solely defending Logan Paul.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I thought for sure.
		Well, here's a couple things.
		He's white.
		He's a male.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		That's a good start.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I thought for sure.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Full stop.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		That's why he would defend him.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Also, strictly speaking, I support Logan Paul making that video.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Interesting take.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		But just based on free speech.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I think he should suffer all the consequences of doing it.
unidentified		Good point.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		But I don't think you should say don't do it.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Fair.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It's incredibly disgraceful.
		It indicates a lack of humanity on your part.
		But the idea of saying don't do it, or like we should stop you from making this video or we should censor you.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Right.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		That to me is like, I mean, that falls right in line with Alex Jones' principles of defending free speech.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And I thought for sure this is not someone he would think is evil or a target because he's a white male.
unidentified		Right.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I thought for sure Alex would be like, everyone's trying to come down on Logan Paul.
unidentified		We got to defend him.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Right.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		He has a very different take.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I'm interested to hear what his take is.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Well, it's.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Is it standard?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		No, it's chaos.
		And then at the end, he gets to globalists?
		More or less.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		He gets back to dead carcasses on the side of the road.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		He betrays his own positions for a bit out of pettiness.
		And then at the end of this clip that I'm about to play, he slammed dunks it.
		No, he turns it into something really fucking weird.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Logan Paul video, YouTube users act fast who re-upload suicide force video despite it being taken down.
		And then YouTube doesn't take it down.
		After it had tens of millions of views, he took it down and then does a sorry video.
		And it's all a big joke.
		And because it's nasty and it's not masculine and it's done in a little demonic, gremlin-like way.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		They leave it up.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		But then.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		All right.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		We show army troops saving children from a burning van, and they take it down because they don't want you to see army troops saving kids out of a van.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		No idea what this is.
unidentified		That's YouTube.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I don't know either.
		And I don't know the specifics of this, but if I had to guess, I would say that Alex Jones' video also had other pieces in it.
		I would assume it wasn't just straight video of Army troops saving kids.
		I would say that there was probably something that broke terms of service or something like that, because it takes a lot for YouTube to take something down.
unidentified		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It takes a great deal.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Or it takes you using a song that Disney doesn't want you to use.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Right, but you can do that if you don't have an audience.
		But once you have enough people watching, then they'll start to be like, shut that down.
		Cla like copyright claims.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Right, right.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		DMCA.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		There's a decent bill.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Like, I mean, there's a decent chance that someone who was in that video that Alex shot made a complaint or something like that didn't want it up or something like that because they know the context of Alex Jones and InfoWars.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Of course.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I don't know if that's the case, but that's a possible explanation for it.
		So, like, but you see why he's kind of pissed off about it is that we have videos taken down.
		They don't take this down.
		What the fuck?
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Right.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Which is not a free speech position.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It's not principled.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		No.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		I mean, it's a true culture of little, weak, twisted people sitting there.
		We've got them on video going, our main mission is to stop Alex Jones and people like him.
		And all we do is delist it so nobody can see it.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I mean, ours is.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		And then we have it in Congress and everywhere saying, shut us down.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Why?
unidentified		Because you can see what they are.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		They go hang out in Japan, it turns out, for weeks, waiting for somebody to go to this famous forest where it's kind of like a Romeo Juliet story where a young girl killed herself for love, and then hundreds have gone there and hung themselves, killed themselves, and so he goes and makes a big joke and makes fun of the dead body, disgracing some poor soul who took their own life.
		And because it's so dishonorable, so twisted, so weak, so pathetic, so poisonous.
		Give three more things so heartless, so soulless that if they can get young people to get off on somebody's misery and their rotting dead body and make fun of it and then make money off of it and do it while you're wearing a Yoda hat, all of it perfectly done.
		This is a psyop, folks.
		This is all staged.
unidentified		Okay.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		To turn wisdom on its head.
		It's all archetype.
		Do you think Yoda would go make fun of some dead body?
		Again, that archetype, this is what it's all about.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		That's what it's all about.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Do you think, Dan?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yoda?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Do you think he would do this?
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		No, no.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Dan, I need to ask you this question.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Deadly serious.
unidentified		All right.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Do you think Yoda would do something like that?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I have a bracelet, WWYD.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And I say, no.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		You don't think so?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I don't think so.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I don't know.
		Yoda seems like a very charismatic figure.
		He might do a lot of different things.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I know that Yoda spent a lot of time in Dagobah, just hanging out, right?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		That's the swamp, right?
unidentified		He did.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I'm not enough a nerd to know this, but I remember.
		I don't think he.
		Okay.
		But he hung out in that swamp for a long time, just like sort of honing his skills and being in hiding, waiting for Luke to show up.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Uh-uh.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Was not honing his skills.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I'm sure he practiced a little bit.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		No, he was in hiding.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		But he was practicing along the side.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		No, no, no.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		After his defeat at the hands of the emperor, Emperor Palpatine, Darth Sidious, he then had to retreat and escape from that.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		But do you think there's a fucking chance he was sitting around in that swamp and not practicing?
unidentified		I'm assuming there was a shit ton of dead bodies in that swamp.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I bet he practiced a whole bunch with his lightsaber.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		No, he did not.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		He didn't have a lightsaber.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		He did in the fucking prequels.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		He did in the prequels, but he didn't have it in the Empire Strikes Back.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		He just didn't need to show it.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		What do you mean?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Real power doesn't need to be flexed.
unidentified		All right?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		That's what I'm getting at.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		No, but no.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		All right, you've sold me.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		What I'm saying is.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		If he had a lightsaber at Dagobah, he would have actually fucking sparred with Luke, and he did not do that.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		No, he just hung out on Luke's back.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		He didn't think that Luke was worthy.
		Look, here's the issue.
		The issue is he had a lot of time on his hand.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		That is the issue.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		He could have started.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Just like Logan Paul.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		He could have started a YouTube series if he wanted to.
		True.
		And he didn't.
		And that's how we know canonically he wouldn't do that.
		So based on the Star Wars canon, Alex is correct.
		Yoda would not do that.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		That's true.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It is not a psyop.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Here's not a psyop.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Here's my take.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Logan Paul's video is not a psyop, but that's the perfect Alex Jones thing to say.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		That is the perfect Alex Jones.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		What is that a PSYOP on?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		This is the longest pause in the show's history.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I have no idea.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		What would the PSYOP be?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Hold on, let me scroll it back.
		I think he explains it a little bit.
		Okay.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		And then make money off of it.
		And do it while you're wearing a Yoda hat.
		All of it perfectly done.
		This is a psyop, folks.
		This is all staged.
		To turn wisdom on its head, it's all archetypal.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		You think Yoda would go make fun of some dead body?
		Again, that archetype?
		This is what it's all about.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Okay, I know 100% what he's talking about.
		Okay.
		But go ahead.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		No, no, no.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		You go first.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Alex is pretending that Logan Paul wearing a Yoda cartoony hat is some sort of a symbol that is to be like a cue to the initiated of what's going on here.
		Have you read that blog?
		There's a blog called Vigilant Citizen.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		The answer before you even ask that question is no.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		There's a blog called Vigilant Citizen, and it's one of the biggest examples of this.
		They believe that symbology runs the world.
		Right.
		And so all the celebrities are.
unidentified		Like, I know the name of the rose.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Ah?
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		The name of the Yoda.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Would the Rose do this?
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		No.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		But like celebrities putting one hand over their eyes.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Actually, that's a mystery.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Anyways, keep going.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Well, like that, for one example, the eye of Horace or the blocking one of your eyes is a symbol of initiation into the Illuminati and that sort of thing.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Everybody knows that.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And whenever you see checkerboard floors in a movie, that's a cue to the initiated that this is a scene.
		Yeah, all that stuff.
		And so I think that what Alex is trying to get at without having to spell it out, because he knows his audience goes to those blogs and they're into that conspiracy shit too.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Right.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		He's trying to say that the fact that he wore his hat, that hat, is an indication to you that all this is a fuck fucking failure.
		All of this is fake.
		It is just trying to scar you.
		It's trying to fuck with you and turn wisdom on its head.
		That's the part I don't understand.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Well, no, if I understand correctly, as opposed, like in regards to the turn wisdom on its head, you've got Yoda as a hat.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Symbol of wisdom, hats.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Next to dead body being worn by an asshole.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		And so you're turning wisdom on its head.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I don't know what to say.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Because Yoda.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I've got to be honest, I already don't follow what you're saying.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		No, okay.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		All right.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So you got this.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		You were just saying elements of things.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
		So you got an asshole.
		He's wearing a Yoda hat.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		And then he goes and mocks a dead body.
		I don't know.
		This is one story, like so many other stories, where I went, nah, fuck this.
		I don't give a shit.
		Everybody can die.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, as soon as I saw it, I was like, hard pass.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, exactly.
		Yeah.
		Yeah.
unidentified		But also at the same time, this is a story, and I was like, everybody should die.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I saw this and I was like, I don't know why anyone's surprised by this.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Like, the escalation of people who need attention on YouTube is, I mean, there's a finite way that you can shock people.
		PewDiePie has already come out and done Nazi shit.
		Here is what are you going to do?
		Show a dead body.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Here's a bad idea.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And then at the same time, Rob Hubel has that YouTube Red show, Do You Want to See a Dead Body?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Which is where it's just fake.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		It's very funny.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Right.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And there's no reason to think that people wouldn't, like people who are exploitative wouldn't take that to the next level.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Of course.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		The Suicide Forest in Japan, I can't remember the name of it because I don't remember Japanese words.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		But like, that's a real place where you can be definitely, you guarantee you'll see a dead body if you go in there.
unidentified		Weird.
unidentified		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I mean, I've read a bunch of stuff about it since, and it's like, yeah.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Suicide culture in Japan is a whole different thing.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It's wild.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		But like, there's no situation wherein he could have embarked on this without thinking he would see a dead body.
unidentified		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So the idea of like, oh, it's an accident or it's unplanned is nonsense.
		But we don't need to unpack that.
		It's about what Alex is saying.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Here's my point.
		My point is this.
		If we are to follow along with what Alex said, Yoda, the Yoda hat, is the symbol of wisdom.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		They're turning on its head by going into a clearly exploitative place and having an asshole see a dead body and do whatever he did.
unidentified		Yeah.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		So Yoda, our symbol of wisdom, is then associated with the asshole doing whatever he did.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Well, in that case.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		And thus, you see that symbol of wisdom and go, well, wisdom would do this, and so it destroys wisdom for you.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		In that case, go with an owl.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Like, I mean, go with a more classical symbol.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Why would you go with a classical symbol?
		You're trying to reach the millennials, man.
		You're trying to reach the kids.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Because they fucking use the eye of Horace.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I don't know.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		That's not something millennials are going to vibe with.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I didn't see the video.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Egyptology?
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I didn't see the video because the headline I saw was YouTube star, and then I lit my phone on fire.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Right, right.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Like, I was done.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I think it's fascinating that Alex, I mean, it's clear that his complaints come from pettiness.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		But, like, they censored one video why.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		You can get more views.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Why does he get away with it and I don't?
		Yeah.
		That certainly is in play.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		And then I think the issue for Alex was: why isn't the symbol of wisdom an Alex Jones hat?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		God damn, we've got to make some Alex Jones hats.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I would wear an Alex Jones hat.
		Just a hat of Alex Jones with his mouth right here and then his.
		Okay.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And you pull on a little cord and it screams at people.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yep.
		Like one of those cards where you open it and it goes, I love you.
		Like that kind of, yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		The globalts are coming.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Now I want an Alex Jones doll.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		If we had endless resources, the things we could make.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		But be that as it may.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		The bad ideas we could make reality.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Be that as it may, I'm fucking flummoxed by everything that Alex Jones is doing because he should be supporting Logan Paul based on his philosophies.
		There's nothing that he did that breaches free speech.
		He was in Japan.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Right.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Which is already, you're on board.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		He doesn't give a shit.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		He doesn't give a shit about that person who died in that forest.
unidentified		Of course.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		He doesn't care at all.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		He exploits people who have died for rhetorical points all the time.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Huge fan.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		He did it earlier with Breitbart.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		He's a huge fan of people who die.
unidentified		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		He said that Steve Bannon came in with a bunch of money and disgraced Breitbart's reputation.
		Right.
		I mean, he's using Breitbart as a tool.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Which makes perfect sense.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		He's using Andrew Breitbart as a prop in his attack of Bannon.
		So he doesn't care about people who died and all that shit.
		Right.
		I don't think necessarily that there's any law against videotaping a dead body.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I mean, I don't know.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I don't know.
unidentified		I don't know.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I don't.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Obviously, there's not.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I don't.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		The basis of death exists.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, exactly.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Obviously, that's not the case.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I mean, there's always going to be a fascination with dead bodies.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		With really fucked up people.
unidentified		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I'm just.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Not necessarily even fucked up people.
unidentified		Like, there's a weird, I don't know, I've never felt that way.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Human incident.
		Dude, somebody when I was in high school was like, let's watch Faces of Death.
		And I was like, let's turn you into one of those faces of death.
		I don't want to see this.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		This is gross and wrong.
		Which is not to take some sort of high ground.
		It's just like, fuck you.
		I don't need that shit in my life.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		No, I had friends who would watch stuff like that, and I'd go to the other room.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Like, I'd just be like, nope, no, no, no, no.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that's a big no.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Hard pass.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		But your argument that there is a fascination with some, I would argue they're fucked up, but yeah, sure.
		There are people who watch these beheading videos.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I mean, when you're in the middle of the moment, if you get into one of the most popular podcasts now is My Favorite Murder, and all they do is talk about serial killers.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		But that's the minutiae of it and the psychology.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		That's different than actually watching dead bodies.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, or actually watching people die.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Wallowing in the actual death of it is different than the circumstances that surround it, the clues, the psychology.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I think that's very different.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I just don't think it's a pathology.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I don't think it's some sort of.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		If Logan Paul, instead of wandering into a dead body and then sort of laughing and clowning a little bit, had off-camera found a dead body and then staged the whole thing.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Or, no, no, respectfully sort of discussed the experience of it and then also was like, there was a note by it because a lot of people who kill themselves in that forest leave notes.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Call Larry Nichols.
unidentified		Right.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		But like, there is a way that he could have done it in a my favorite murder style or a serial style that would have been much more tasteful.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It still would be disrespectful to the person who died because they didn't consent to be a part of his stunt or whatever.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		But it wouldn't be as to clarify that position, I think it wouldn't be respectful to the people who cared about the person who died.
		The moment you die, you don't give, you don't exist.
		So go fuck yourself.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I'm not clear I agree with you on that, but it's not worth arguing.
unidentified		Yes.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		It's absolutely not worth arguing.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I think that your rights do extend after death to an extent.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Disagree.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Not worth arguing.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I'm going to desecrate your fucking corpse.
		Please do.
		Well, see, there, that already is consent.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		See, now that's the issue.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		See, that's different.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Now I don't care.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		No, you don't care.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		No, you won't desecrate my corpse because the issue.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I mean, there's a lot of issues, and a lot of them are really, really salient about the idea of going and doing this indicates so much more about who you are.
		And that's a problem.
		But I don't think it's necessarily YouTube's place or anyone in charge's place to say, I will censor this.
		And I'm 90% on that side.
		I'm also 100% certain that's Alex's side.
		Right, right, right.
		I'd actually want to take myself down to about 70% because I do think that grace comes into it.
		I think that I don't think that governing bodies should be able to tell you what you can and can't say, but I think we need to be much more active punishing people for stuff that is distasteful.
unidentified		Not distasteful, but wrong.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Like, there's a difference.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I think I would circle back.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It's the difference between conservatism and Nazism.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Both are distasteful.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		One is wrong.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Which one?
		Fuck you.
		I think we always wind up going back to, like in this particular circumstance, I think I start from the place of, as we've discussed before with our friend, being rich is a morally questionable decision.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		And societies that allow strict wealth are doing all the way back there and say being a YouTube star is a morally questionable decision.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely.
		Well, but it's not a decision.
		I mean, it's a decision that he made as a child, and his parents sort of reinforced in it.
		It went, and actually.
unidentified		See, but then I get back to why the fuck do we care?
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		You don't need to.
		I hope he dies.
		I don't give a fuck about this Logan Paul motherfucker.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Interestingly, we can stop here.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		But our friend, who I mean, we all agree with this sentiment, but she just summed it up so perfectly with the being wealthy is a morally suspicious choice.
unidentified		Right.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Great tweet for Katie McVeigh.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		All of the words are perfect, too.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Katie nailed it.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Look her up on Twitter because she wrote a very, very salient and concise essay about Logan Paul and about what he embodies.
		And there is a lot of that white privilege, that white male privilege that wouldn't think for a second that this is wrong to do.
		She unpacks a lot of those ideas much more saliently than we can do.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Very talented and great person.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Let's jump off this and just say it's fucked up that Alex Jones doesn't support him because it's right in his support base.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yes, it's out of character.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And I think that's just, I don't know why that is.
		I can't figure out.
		But then even beyond that.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I think pettiness.
		Again, we get back to why is it that Logan Paul seems to get more views than he does?
		That's where we get back to.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		We're getting trapped in a cycle, and let's kick out of it just to say that Alex Jones' rant about Brian Stelter, of course, is stupid, but at the same time, it's wild.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Makes no sense.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Insane, but boring.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		A lot of these other things, Trump being like William Wallace.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I mean, that's, I don't know.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		What else we got?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I don't know, Wolf.
		I don't know.
		I think we've ended in the same place we started.
unidentified		I don't think we learned anything.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Oh, man.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		May the wolf eat your flesh.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I don't think we learned anything.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I think that's where we got back to.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Anyway, it's time for us to wrap this up.
		So please go to knowledgefight.com.
		That is our website.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely.
		If you would like to, there's a banner that says click support the show.
		You can do that.
		If we get to, what is it, $72 more dollars for this month?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I believe so, yeah.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		We will do a thing that will hurt both of us mostly.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		You can follow us on Twitter at knowledge underscore fight.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		You can go to Facebook.
		Now I'm back in.
		2018, I'm in.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		We're on iTunes, and then shortly, once I get around to it, we'll be on some other platforms.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Right, right, right.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		From what we've heard, not everybody can find us through iTunes and so on.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I feel bad about that, but at the same time, I'm busy.
		It's hard.
		Life's hard.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Are you?
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		And then, oh, since we can't do that, fuckface, who are we mad at today?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I don't know.
		It's tough to figure out who today's pile of garbage is.
		Pile of shit.
		I'm scrolling through Twitter to see who people are angry at.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Oh, no, we can't allow other people to be angry.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, let's not allow that input to be angry.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I feel like.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		You know what?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I want to say Michael Wolf.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		You want to say Michael Wolf?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		He's unleashed so much shit.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		You know what?
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I don't disagree with you.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		All right.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Michael Wolf, you're a pile of shit.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Andy in Kansas, you're on the air.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Thanks for holding.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Hello, Alex.
unidentified		I'm a first-time caller.
unidentified		I'm a huge fan.

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