Today, Dan and Jordan discuss some issues that came up in the Jan. 5, 2018 episode of The Alex Jones Show. The internet is up in arms about how Alex spent about 10 min of this episode screaming about Brian Stelter and demons, but did commentators miss an important element of the story? Probably.
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| Andy in Kansas, you're on the air. | ||
| Thanks for holding. | ||
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Hello, Alex. | |
| I'm a first-time caller. | ||
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I'm a huge fan. | |
| I love your work. | ||
| I love you. | ||
| Hey, everybody. | ||
| Welcome back to Knowledge Fight. | ||
| I'm Dan. | ||
| I'm Jordan. | ||
| We're a couple dudes like to sit around, drink novelty beverages, and talk a little bit about Alex Jones. | ||
| That is indeed what we do, Dan. | ||
| Dan, is there a hook to this podcast? | ||
| I'm all business today, Dan. | ||
| There's a hook, and it is that I know a lot about Alex Jones. | ||
| I don't know anything about Alex Jones. | ||
| Let's get down to business, because I'm all business today, Dan. | ||
| Nitty-gritty, scrappy show. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| Let's get into the... | ||
| Details. | ||
| Stuff. | ||
| All right. | ||
| In that case, I would like to welcome a couple new policy wonks. | ||
| Oh, shit! | ||
| To be fair, these are foreign policy wonks. | ||
| So that is people who have donated in the past and bumped up their donation. | ||
| All right. | ||
| And now have a new foreign policy wonk status. | ||
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Excellent. | |
| First of all, I'd like to welcome to the foreign policy ranks. | ||
| Ian, thank you so much. | ||
| I'm a policy wonk. | ||
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Four stars. | |
| Go home to your mother and tell her you're brilliant. | ||
| Thanks, Ian. | ||
| Also, thank you going out to Jesse. | ||
| Thank you so much. | ||
| I'm a policy wonk. | ||
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We really appreciate it. | |
| I have heard that clip so many fucking times. | ||
| So good. | ||
| It shouldn't be funny anymore. | ||
| I should be inured against it and just be like, hey, congratulations on becoming a foreign policy wonk. | ||
| But part of me is like... | ||
| Dude, just donate another cent. | ||
| I want to hear this clip more. | ||
| Dan won't play it for me anymore. | ||
| The, uh, the, the, just... | ||
| Brutal funniness of Steve Pachanek's cattiness is it'll never grow old. | ||
| Hey, great. | ||
| Good for you, you fucking dick. | ||
| Because that's what he's saying. | ||
| I know! | ||
| He's saying it's perfect. | ||
| Because Alex, if people don't remember, that's in response to Alex saying, like, I was always, like, 9-11. | ||
| I was right about that. | ||
| Four stars. | ||
| Go tell you. | ||
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| He's taking the piss out of Alex's entire personality. | ||
| It's even better because Alex never gets that shit from his guests. | ||
| No. | ||
| Never. | ||
| No guest is ever like, hey Alex, how about you tone it down and go fuck yourself? | ||
| You ever consider that? | ||
| You're not so great, you dick. | ||
| Love it. | ||
| And I love the people who donate to the show. | ||
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Yes, we do. | |
| Thank you very much. | ||
| If you'd like to become a policy walk, you can go to knowledgefight.com, click support the show. | ||
| As I mentioned at the end of the last episode, we are trying to bump up the donations. | ||
| $100 this month, and I am thrilled to report within... | ||
| One episode, we are up $28 in donations. | ||
| Holy shit! | ||
| So we really thank everybody, and if you'd like to join in on that, if we can get to that mark, if we can reach our goal by the end of January, we will start releasing a documentary coverage, I guess, of Alex Jones' film Endgame that will be devastating and exhausting. | ||
| For everybody involved. | ||
| Yeah, I know. | ||
| That's true. | ||
| It's a two-and-a-half-hour documentary. | ||
| Why? | ||
| Our coverage will probably take six, seven hours. | ||
| I'm the biggest Star Wars fan, and The Last Jedi could have lost like ten minutes, and I would have still been very, very happy with it. | ||
| This will be six Last Jedi's. | ||
| Back to back to back to back. | ||
| Ouch. | ||
| So, Jordan, today what we're going to be going over is the January 5th, 2018 episode of The Alex Jones. | ||
| You know, we're going to have to get into that. | ||
| We're going to do that thing that everybody does every January where it's like, I'm not used to this 2018 thing yet. | ||
| I've been fine in writing and all that stuff. | ||
| No one writes checks anymore. | ||
| You can get that hack joke out of here. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| But I've been fine with it just verbally there, I almost said. | ||
| But I do that all the time. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Because we jump back and forth in history. | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| But yeah, it's 2018. | ||
| January 5th. | ||
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All right. | |
| Friday. | ||
| One year older, one year wiser. | ||
| Indeed. | ||
| And Alex is no different. | ||
| So in the days previous to this, Alex has been sort of trying to wrestle with the Bannon revelation. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| And we haven't talked since that broke, since that news broke. | ||
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Right. | |
| And I think there's a lot of angles that are being played, and I'm really not clear what's going on. | ||
| Now... | ||
| I'm so confused. | ||
| Here's my issue with all the angles being played, is that none of the angles that I have seen so far are similar to my own, which is... | ||
| So? | ||
| Everyone's stupid? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I've seen actually a lot of that on Twitter. | ||
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Oh, yeah? | |
| I've seen a lot of people being very much like, what? | ||
| Who cares? | ||
| Good. | ||
| And there is some truth to that, I think. | ||
| But for everyone who is unaware of what we're talking about, Michael Wolfe, a noted... | ||
| Lying liar. | ||
| Well, he's basically a creative nonfiction writer out of New York who covered the socialite scene and the media elites in New York in a very catty, David Sedaris-ish way, but probably less funny. | ||
| He's a yellow journalist tabloid guy. | ||
| No, see, I'm uncomfortable with that, because it's not yellow journalism. | ||
| It's straight-up essaying. | ||
| It's... | ||
| Creative nonfiction. | ||
| And everybody who is aware of his writing is aware of that. | ||
| Right. | ||
| It's not yellow journalism because he's not trying to... | ||
| It's not propaganda. | ||
| It's a style of writing that has its place in magazines. | ||
| Right. | ||
| No, I mean like the original yellow journalists, like William Randolph Hearst kind of yellow journalism. | ||
| But those people, they operated for specific aims. | ||
| Not always. | ||
| For the most part. | ||
| I mean, many of their aims were just so chaos amongst the world. | ||
| I guess it's a stretch to me, but if you want to go with that, I'm going to allow it. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Thank you. | ||
| I'll let you do it. | ||
| You're so gracious. | ||
| You're so gracious, Dan. | ||
| In the aftermath of this piece coming out that Michael Wolff wrote, he wrote this book, Fire and Fury, that has now been pushed out to print. | ||
| It was supposed to come out much later, and now it's out. | ||
| There was an excerpt that came out that included a quote from Steve Bannon saying that the meeting between Kushner and Manafort... | ||
| And Veselnitskaya, the Russian lawyer, was treasonous. | ||
| And so in the aftermath of that, Bannon didn't do shit. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Bannon's response was, nah, we're good with Trump. | ||
| Everyone freaked out. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Like, all the liberals, all the people on Twitter, all the commentators freaked out about this. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And no one really took into account that this guy is a creative nonfiction writer. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Secondary after that, Alex Jones. | ||
| Alex freaked out. | ||
| I've seen many people, like the people from Splinter, like the Gawker shoot-offs, and those types of situations are always... | ||
| Like, The Intercept, all of those guys were like... | ||
| Hold on now. | ||
| Right. | ||
| This guy's a liar. | ||
| Well, people who are aware of him. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And this is going into my argument that there's no way Trump is not aware of him. | ||
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Right. | |
| Absolutely. | ||
| Because he's been covering Trump world, essentially, for decades. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| So, Alex got duped by this to some extent. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| And he got really furious. | ||
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Naturally. | |
| And was like, this guy is a liar. | ||
| But he doesn't understand why he's a liar. | ||
| So he did an entire show about this guy, like, making up quotes and stuff. | ||
| He just looked at his Wikipedia page and didn't understand the nature of the guy's actual writing. | ||
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Okay. | |
| So he did a really terrible job of it and was just like, yeah, Bannon, you know, look, hey, I don't want to go against Bannon. | ||
| I don't want to fight. | ||
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But look... | |
| This guy's a known liar. | ||
| Also, Bannon has gone crazy. | ||
| But this guy's a liar. | ||
| Also, the quote's probably 80% true. | ||
| He's trying to fit the whole circle in the same page. | ||
| And it's clunky as shit. | ||
| The only person who's doing this right is Roger Stone. | ||
| He is just like, I don't want to do it. | ||
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Nope. | |
| I hate to agree with Roger Stone, but he's nailing the, nah, I'm out. | ||
| On Thursday the 4th, Roger Stone was on, or maybe it was Wednesday, I can't remember which day it was, but he was like, I've been dealing with Michael Wolff for a long time. | ||
| I know what he does. | ||
| And Alex just couldn't understand, couldn't roll with the... | ||
| If he had, he would have saved himself a lot of trouble, because Alex now has to figure out... | ||
| How to walk back the whole Bannon thing while at the same time he can't walk it back because he's definitive? | ||
| I don't think so. | ||
| Do you think he really does think Bannon's lost his mind? | ||
| He's fallen in with the Trump quote? | ||
| Well, he has no choice now. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Because Trump put out that press release the day that this excerpt leaked, or this excerpt was released, Trump put out that statement that was scathing. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Steve Bannon is a staffer. | ||
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He's lost his mind. | |
| He had nothing to do with my win. | ||
| Yes, he was my campaign manager, but he was nowhere near me. | ||
| I put him on the National Security Council. | ||
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Yep, yep. | |
| Fuck. | ||
| These people are so fucking stupid. | ||
| But because of Trump coming out and saying that he's lost his mind, Alex now can't walk back that piece of the narrative. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| And had he had a more full understanding of who Michael Wolff is, he could have built it up ahead of time with like, hey guys, let's ignore this. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That should have been his play. | ||
| Oh. | ||
| Easy! | ||
| It's not an opportunity for him to be like, the media are a bunch of liars, because this is different than the media. | ||
| And this guy isn't really a media. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And so Alex finds himself in a very strange place where he's like, I've got to do something else. | ||
| I've got to figure out a different way to handle this. | ||
| I am so excited to hear Alex Jones' solution to this problem. | ||
| Well, it's kind of going back to the well a little bit. | ||
| Oh, no. | ||
| And doing what he does best. | ||
| I was hoping for a creative nonfiction response. | ||
| In some ways it is. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| I think you could argue that it is in some ways. | ||
| This has gone viral. | ||
| He hired David Sedaris to write his response. | ||
| Oh, God, that would be so great. | ||
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That would be so good. | |
| Let me talk angry someday. | ||
| So Alex, on the 5th, he got into studio and he decided he was going to open his show with a fucked up rant. | ||
| And this has gone viral. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| This has made the rounds. | ||
| You see it posted on all the sites. | ||
| And generally we like to ignore the things that everyone else talks about because there's not a whole lot of value in it. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| But in this case... | ||
| No, I have no idea what you're fucking talking about. | ||
| In this case, I think it is worthwhile because he does touch on a number of things that are relevant to our examinations of Alex. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| But he starts his show with a 10-minute rant about Brian Stelter. | ||
| That is right on. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So let's get into it. | ||
| I've not cut anything out of the first commercial break, which is wall-to-wall this rant. | ||
| Okay. | ||
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But I've just put it into segments for our digestibility. | |
| And here is the first one. | ||
| You know, Donald Trump over the weekend said something that really started to sink in for me right before we went live. | ||
| Is it so true? | ||
| The truth is powerful. | ||
| And Trump operates, unlike any statesman I've seen in modern history, in the truth. | ||
| He's not a statesman. | ||
| And that's what's so refreshing about it. | ||
| But he said, you know, the mainstream media really needs me to win in 2020. | ||
| You guys had almost no ratings and it completely imploded until I came along. | ||
| And you're still a shadow of your former selves because you're fake news. | ||
| But he said, you need me. | ||
| And look at the economy. | ||
| Look at all of it. | ||
| It's all roaring back and optimism and so many other good things, and Trump is delivering on what he said. | ||
| Very sensible policies across the board. | ||
| And they are just flipping out, completely inverting all of this. | ||
| So now let's talk about a few things. | ||
| First of all... | ||
| I think it's a mistake to ever look at the news as needing ratings. | ||
| And that is maybe a systematic problem that we need to address in the future. | ||
| That is a huge problem. | ||
| But the idea that Trump's like, you need me, you need the bad guy. | ||
| I mean, that's out of movies. | ||
| That sort of mentality. | ||
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Also, arguably correct. | |
| It's debatable. | ||
| I mean, you see that MSNBC's ratings are higher now than they were during the election. | ||
| And who's to say how much of an effect Trump... | ||
| Directly has on that. | ||
| I mean, we're getting back to the Dark Knight territory. | ||
| Without Batman, there wouldn't be a Joker. | ||
| Right, right. | ||
| Without Joker, there wouldn't be a Batman. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Whole thing. | ||
| Well, now you're in Alex Jones territory and looking at movies as allegorical for reality. | ||
| Well, but the whole point behind the Dark Knight was it was allegorical. | ||
| Like, that was the idea. | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| Like, that's choosing to ignore any art that is allegorical. | ||
| So now further, Alex is... | ||
| Sort of contention that Trump, like no other politician before, operates based on the truth. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Is an ironic thing for him to be talking about so soon after Trump got rid of that election integrity commission that he had started to find all that voter fraud. | ||
| Those millions of illegals that voted. | ||
| It's so weird that they didn't find any of those voter frauds. | ||
| It's so weird that he did an executive order getting rid of that committee late at night, hoping that no one would notice. | ||
| And in the executive order that came out. | ||
| He's like, he just blames the states. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Like, they wouldn't give us the information. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's there. | ||
| It's there. | ||
| It's obvious. | ||
| It's obvious. | ||
| Such bullshit. | ||
| Everybody nailed it. | ||
| So, now we get to sensible policies. | ||
| I think you scoffed there. | ||
| All of his policies are very sensible. | ||
| You know, he wants $18 billion to build a wall that no rational human being would see as A, effective, B, reasonable, or C, enough money to build a silly wall. | ||
| Like, it's a ridiculous proposition on all possible sides. | ||
| It might be enough money to build a silly wall. | ||
| That's true. | ||
| If they painted the wall with, like, Bozo the Clown... | ||
| Perfect. | ||
| I'm way on board with that wall. | ||
| Right. | ||
| You could get some advertising bucks, too, there. | ||
| Oh, man! | ||
| From Big Clown. | ||
| NASCAR could sponsor the wall? | ||
| That is just fucking gold. | ||
| Make no mistake, that would probably happen. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| So, this is the beginning of the rant. | ||
| So far, we haven't really taken a turn towards the, you know, why people are interested. | ||
| So far, it's just a setup of, like... | ||
| Yeah, Trump is right. | ||
| He's bringing back the economy, all of this stuff. | ||
| And again, we can sort of dismiss a lot of that because a lot of the gains in terms of the stock market are the trends continuing that have been continuing. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And a lot of these business optimism indexes are really just... | ||
| I mean, they're speculative by business owners. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| And at the same time, they are based on an idea that they will have to pay less. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And be able to not treat their employees better. | ||
| Well, the big thing... | ||
| There will be less regulation governing how hard they screw us. | ||
| The big thing that drives me insane whenever anybody talks about the economy going up is that the economy is going up so long as we're still in the realm of imagination. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Like, all of the economy going up is completely imaginary. | ||
| Like, the stock market rising. | ||
| Once again... | ||
| These are not tied to real things. | ||
| Like, Uber has a valuation of, like, $80 billion, whatever, and it's losing money constantly. | ||
| Totally. | ||
| The floor on that is going to drop and they're going to explode. | ||
| Bitcoin, why did it go up so high? | ||
| Because all the trading is done by algorithms. | ||
| Like, all of this is imaginary money, and none of it is going to people who work for a living. | ||
| Right, right. | ||
| So that means that sooner or later, reality is going to... | ||
| And it's going to hit people who work for a living. | ||
| We didn't actually gain anything in the economy. | ||
| Even whenever everybody said the economy was growing under Obama's years, normal people who work for a living did not actually gain anything during those times. | ||
| No. | ||
| Now, admittedly, we got more jobs during that time because at the 2007 financial crash, everybody fucking exploded. | ||
| But hey, do you remember the 2007 financial crash? | ||
| Dan, do you know why that financial crash happened? | ||
| Why is that? | ||
| Because all the money was imaginary! | ||
| Right. | ||
| So, also, um... | ||
| My point being, it's going to happen again. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| I don't think anyone denies that. | ||
| But also, I think, at least the last time I checked on these small business optimism numbers, it's a composite of a bunch of different factors. | ||
| And some of the factors are things like, do you think things are going to improve? | ||
| And then there's other ones that are like, are you planning on raising inventory? | ||
| Are you planning on hiring more? | ||
| And those ones that directly affect people needing jobs or needing raises, those are stagnant. | ||
| Those have not been growing, but the other factors have been growing high enough to make the optimism index go way up. | ||
| And that, to me, is sort of artificial. | ||
| In terms of even that statistic meaning anything. | ||
| Because the things that you would look for would be, are you raising inventory? | ||
| Right. | ||
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Are you hiring more people? | |
| Do you have plans to expand? | ||
| Do you think people are going to buy more shit? | ||
| Right. | ||
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I don't remember if that one's actually... | |
| Who cares? | ||
| But you know what I'm saying? | ||
| Like the things that would affect you and I, were we employees of these small businesses... | ||
| Yes. | ||
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...that are being indexed, those things aren't necessarily really changing. | |
| Right. | ||
| You know, statistically, Alex isn't totally lying. | ||
| He's just not really dealing with what the reality of those stats mean. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So anyway, that's not what people are... | ||
| That's not why this went viral. | ||
| Furthermore, generally speaking, no president in the changeover period of the first two years... | ||
| Really has any actual effect on the economy. | ||
| As I understand, it's more really the first year. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| Two years is too much, I think. | ||
| No, it's really two years. | ||
| And even then, the only president who has really had a huge effect on it was Obama, simply bypassing that massive, almost trillion dollar stimulus bill. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Otherwise, it's just the previous administration and its policies overrunning. | ||
| And then after two years, it's like, oh, we're all fucked. | ||
| Like, it's the same shit that happens every time. | ||
| Reagan had nothing to do with it. | ||
| Anyways, continue. | ||
| Let's get to greener pastures so we can figure out why did this rant go viral. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| And now Michael Wolff, known for yellow journalism. | ||
| I mean, he's famous for festooning his news reports with outright fabrications. | ||
| That's not what that was. | ||
| Like you hang ornaments on a Christmas tree. | ||
| You festoon ornaments on a Christmas tree? | ||
| He's now come out and said he has no way to know if any of it's true. | ||
| So let's talk about that really quick. | ||
| There's no way to know if any of it's true? | ||
| Alex is reading a headline, and it's from AOL.com. | ||
| Great. | ||
| The headline is, Michael Wolff says he can't be sure if parts of his explosive Trump book are true. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Now, Alex didn't read this article because... | ||
| Who would have guessed? | ||
| In the second paragraph, just real close to the top, it says, Michael Wolfe, the author of Fire and Fury inside the Trump White House, included a note at the start which cast significant doubt on the reliability of specifics contained in the rest of its pages. | ||
| A number of his sources, he says, were definitely lying to him, while some offered accounts that flatly contradict those of others. | ||
| They were nonetheless included in the vivid account of the West Wing's workings in a process Wolf describes as allowing the reader to judge whether they are true. | ||
| So I think that as long as there is that caveat, I don't think that it's necessarily wrong to write that way. | ||
| But it's stupid that Alex doesn't realize what the headline means. | ||
| The headline means Michael Wolf came out and said, these fuckers were lying to me. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Which is obvious. | ||
| That's obviously true. | ||
| He's not saying... | ||
| I don't know if I made stuff up, which is what Alex wants the audience to think. | ||
| It's absolutely a complete misrepresentation and a lie. | ||
| And furthermore, if you are quoting people, you should absolutely quote the ones who are directly contradicting other people. | ||
| That's an important thing to put in the book. | ||
| I don't know the context of how he reported it or anything along those lines, but if I were doing a story along those... | ||
| Like what he's doing right there, I would definitely make sure you heard, look at what this guy said, look at what that guy said, how do they compare to each other, and you decide who might be telling the truth, who might be lying, what their agendas are, all of those different types of things. | ||
| I haven't read the book at all, but I read that long excerpt in New York Mag, I believe, the one about Trump not wanting to win. | ||
| It was sort of the thrust of it. | ||
| Do you mean what I have been saying the entire time? | ||
| I think a lot of people have. | ||
| But I thought that the writing was a bit flowery. | ||
| Yeah, you're right. | ||
| That wasn't supposed to jerk myself off. | ||
| No, no. | ||
| I didn't take it that way either. | ||
| But I took it to be pretty... | ||
| I hate to keep going back to Sedaris, but he is the sort of archetype of creative nonfiction guy. | ||
| He's lying a lot in his writing, but it's in order to create this ambiance and a spiritual truth or whatever. | ||
| And that is the sense that I got from that piece in New York Magazine, that there was a lot of truths in it, hidden with assumptions on the level of Alex Jones when he was... | ||
| says, Megyn Kelly thinks she's ugly and wants to go to NBC. | ||
| The difference is that Alex Jones isn't doing creative nonfiction. | ||
| He's pretending that he's a truth teller. | ||
| And like, I literally never lie to you and that I'm not trying to defend Wolf at all. | ||
| He could be the biggest piece of shit in the world. | ||
| I have no idea. | ||
| I texted you earlier. | ||
| I was like, give me a reason to read this book. | ||
| And I can't think of any reason. | ||
| I believe my response was, I can't. | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I don't know if there's any value in it. | ||
| I think it could just reinforce a lot of ideas that people already have. | ||
| That's my main issue with it, is every story that's come out has completely corroborated what people want to be true. | ||
| And there's nothing to say that that's not true, but I don't know. | ||
| No, absolutely not. | ||
| I worry about the mentality of getting... | ||
| Your beliefs affirmed. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| When the source of that affirmation is not necessarily strictly credible. | ||
| And is somebody who has a history of saying things that you want to be true. | ||
| Right, right. | ||
| And I've looked at, because he has been accused of fabricating quotes a number of times throughout his career, and I've looked at some of them and some of them are like, yeah, he's probably lying about this. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And then some of them are like, oh, they don't want it. | ||
| That's out. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Like, there are probably, there are at least a few examples, like, because he wrote a book called Burn Rate, and it was about, like, his time at tech startups. | ||
| How quickly water boils? | ||
| No. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Tech startup type stuff, and he was talking about these, like, CEOs who were all doing coke and, like, were assholes and shit like that, and some of their quotes were challenged, and obviously... | ||
| Obviously they do coke and say dumb shit. | ||
| Yeah, I don't find that hard to believe. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| But, you know, there's a lot of quotes that a lot of people say that they don't want out, necessarily. | ||
| And Bannon has a history of that. | ||
| Bannon and Mooch both ended up... | ||
| Just say random-ass shit whenever they feel like it. | ||
| ...probably drunkenly calling reporters and not telling them it's off the record. | ||
| Which is a delay. | ||
| So you have these guys who are like, I fucking talk shit with you, you asshole. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| And then, I don't know, it says a lot that Bannon hasn't... | ||
| At least at the point where we're recording this, come out and been like, I didn't say those things. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| No, or the fact that Trump put out that statement. | ||
| Right. | ||
| His denial is the best proof. | ||
| That was what I was trying to get to right when we were starting. | ||
| The beginning of this one I was talking about, everyone sort of treating it as if it's real when you don't need to respond. | ||
| Alex played himself a little bit in terms of like... | ||
| Not getting it together and figuring out how to approach this narrative. | ||
| But Trump really played himself. | ||
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Who could have guessed that? | |
| And what that has to mean to me, I think, is that Wolf was around the White House. | ||
| And I think that Trump is worried that those quotes and a lot of the stuff that's going to be in that are true. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| But I don't know. | ||
| It's tough to war games this. | ||
| Some are true, some aren't true. | ||
| That's kind of the situation. | ||
| By denying it, you verify that at the very least, some are true. | ||
| Or, at the very least, you indicate that you're shook. | ||
| You at least show your cards that you're worried. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| When, in all reality, all you have to do is say nothing. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| That's all you have to do. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| Even better if you were just like... | ||
| This guy is beneath me. | ||
| I don't need to respond to this. | ||
| Are you guys aware of this guy's career? | ||
| Please, I'm not going to dignify this with a response. | ||
| Anybody who wasn't like, uh-oh, probably would behave that way. | ||
| And what I think is that that statement was advised to him by lawyers or something like that. | ||
| Or maybe not even lawyers. | ||
| People around him being like, get ahead of the story. | ||
| Get ahead of this. | ||
| And I think that that's telling. | ||
| Anyway, back to the clip. | ||
| And he's gone to say, quote... | ||
| I'll do whatever is necessary to get the story. | ||
| Again, this is about Michael Wolfe. | ||
| Any journalist would say that. | ||
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Right. | |
| Wolfe in journalist clothing. | ||
| By the way, this guy looks so disingenuous. | ||
| I saw a photo of him last night smiling, and it reminded me of a piece I've been wanting to do for months. | ||
| Guys, go to Google Images and get Brian Stelter smiling. | ||
| It is the most disingenuous, wolf-like, demon face. | ||
| I've ever seen. | ||
| And then you look at Wolf, it looks like Wolf is Brian Stelter's real daddy. | ||
| Oh boy. | ||
| That makes perfect sense. | ||
| So there's a couple things I want to bring into real sharp focus here. | ||
| First, Alex Jones hates Brian Stelter. | ||
| We've covered this in the past. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| He called him Mr. Creepy. | ||
| That was the guy with the mustache. | ||
| But he went on that long jag talking about how Brian Stelter wants to get you in a van and shit like that. | ||
| Right. | ||
| He has a long documented history of hating Brian Stelter. | ||
| And so that's not surprising. | ||
| What is surprising to me is that for months, he's been planning on doing a special report about Brian Stelter's smile. | ||
| I am amazed that it has... | ||
| I'm amazed he didn't say for years I've been planning on doing that. | ||
| I don't know if Stelter's been on the scene for years is the thing. | ||
| I think he's... | ||
| I mean, he's come to my awareness pretty recently. | ||
| I'm going to be honest. | ||
| I'm going back and forth between pictures of Michael Wolff and Brian Stelter. | ||
| He's got an argument. | ||
| Because they're bald? | ||
| No, no, no, no. | ||
| Their smile is... | ||
| Is oddly similar. | ||
| All right, fine. | ||
| Anyway, let's get deeper into this and enjoy where the rant kicks off in earnest. | ||
| I'll come find it during the break because there's no way for you guys to know which ones I want. | ||
| It's Brian Stelter. | ||
| There it is. | ||
| Oh, my God. | ||
| I mean, that is a horror movie cover. | ||
| Seriously, he is scarier looking than Hit the Clown. | ||
| I mean, would you let your children anywhere near that psychopath? | ||
| I mean, that is a psychopath right there. | ||
| I mean, look at him. | ||
| God! | ||
| Oh, I mean, it just, it cries out. | ||
| Danger! | ||
| Danger! | ||
| Alert! | ||
| Alert! | ||
| I am a scumbag! | ||
| I am filth! | ||
| I am your enemy! | ||
| And then you look at the photos of Wolf smiling, and it's the only person I've ever seen that looks that creepy, man! | ||
| It's a still image photo of him smiling the same way with that power trip look in his eyes. | ||
| It's in Google Images. | ||
| Just type in Michael Wolfe journalist. | ||
| That's his cover. | ||
| And you'll see the Brian Stelter look. | ||
| I believe he is related to Stelter. | ||
| He's got to be. | ||
| I mean, folks, I would literally not be able to finish my dinner if somebody walked over and talked to me that looked like these two guys. | ||
| And I'm sorry. | ||
| They're not just lying anti-American scumbags that want to run us all on the ground because they're little men. | ||
| They're pieces of crap. | ||
| They think they're better than everybody. | ||
| That's what it's about! | ||
| It's the spirit of evil! | ||
| And we must break them! | ||
| So, I mean, this is boring to us. | ||
| Everyone really loves this, but this is boring to us because it's so standard. | ||
| It's so much what Alex does, and even he can't get past... | ||
| I am going to keep reminding you about this. | ||
| This is about two men's smile. | ||
| But he never can really even address things differently than they think they're better than us. | ||
| They think they're better than me. | ||
| They think they're so smart. | ||
| Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. | ||
| It's all so standard. | ||
| It's insecure. | ||
| Yeah, that's all he's got. | ||
| It is fun. | ||
| It's fun to see what goes viral and imagine how much we would ruin it. | ||
| Like, even currently, we're just like, uh, yeah, that's him. | ||
| Have you guys not? | ||
| Oh, no, you haven't. | ||
| Okay, well, fine. | ||
| We do this so much. | ||
| Yeah, enjoy this viral clip. | ||
| Or you could listen to our show five months ago. | ||
| You could do that. | ||
| I would say that there is still some things that are worth it and pretty fun within this viral rant. | ||
| I'm in. | ||
| But it bears mentioning, like, this is par for the course for Alex. | ||
| Yeah, I know. | ||
| You guys could have just watched the show at any point. | ||
| I'm petty. | ||
| I'm worried that I'm not that smart. | ||
| I'm insecure. | ||
| Those guys are thinner than me. | ||
| I lie all the time, and therefore I'm worried that this other guy is lying. | ||
| Right. | ||
| It's just, it's very, his psychology bores me. | ||
| Yes, exactly! | ||
| So here we get into some evil talk. | ||
| Ooh! | ||
| Is somebody a pedophile? | ||
| No, we don't get there. | ||
| I don't think yet. | ||
| But don't get me wrong. | ||
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We'll get there. | |
| We'll get there. | ||
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No, no, no. | |
| Don't worry. | ||
| I knew we were going to bring pedophile into this. | ||
| So far, we're just at evil. | ||
| And then Alex makes a claim that I strongly disagree with. | ||
| Anytime I need energy now, I'm hanging Wolf and Stelter and Hillary. | ||
| She's the other person that's got the same demon look. | ||
| I'm better than you. | ||
| I'm smarter than you. | ||
| I'm a ravenous piece of garbage. | ||
| And I'm going to hang all three of them on my office wall. | ||
| In fact, I'm putting their faces up all over the office because I want people to know who the enemy is. | ||
| Is that his ringtone? | ||
| You guys still haven't found the one. | ||
| It's a body shot of Wolf. | ||
| And he's looking down with that disingenuous predator look of I'm not even hiding the fact that I hate everybody and that I'm a piece of crap and that I want to abuse you and I want to lie to you and I want to hurt you. | ||
| But then there's a disingenuousness where he thinks you don't know. | ||
| And it's like a joke that we're not in on. | ||
| No, that's not it. | ||
| It's a body shot. | ||
| It's him kind of looking down, and he's got that same smile as Stelter. | ||
| And these are photos that they themselves put out as publicity photos. | ||
| I've tried to do joke photos like this to look disingenuous, and I can make any face I want to. | ||
| I can't pull it off. | ||
| Because the eyes, Chico. | ||
| Do your Bernie accent again. | ||
| It's always in the eyes. | ||
| So I invite anybody to just Google pictures of Alex Jones and look at his creepy ass eyes. | ||
| You can hear how creepy his eyes are when he fake laughs. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| Yeah, you can hear it. | ||
| I don't even need to see the video. | ||
| I'm just like, his eyes probably look creepy while he's fake laughing. | ||
| This premise of like, I can't even get myself to look evil like these fucks. | ||
| Is so flawed. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's a... | ||
| That is a good flawed premise right there. | ||
| Any Google image search you have of Alex Jones, you're going to see a real disastrous face. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Now, hold on. | ||
| A devastating face. | ||
| Let's try and figure out... | ||
| Let's parse, first off, that sentence. | ||
| I love it. | ||
| And second off, what that look would be. | ||
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All right? | |
| So the first part of that sentence is, they know. | ||
| You can see it in their eyes when they're looking at you. | ||
| I'm lying to you. | ||
| I'm telling you falsehoods. | ||
| I'm trying to eat you. | ||
| But then also, there's a disingenuous look of you don't know. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Reindeer game thing. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| What does that face look like? | ||
| What even is he describing? | ||
| He's just fucking letting off steam. | ||
| I know, but the face that he's describing is somebody who's eating you while at the same time... | ||
| Lying to you about thinking that you don't know? | ||
| He's mad that he got launched off on a narrative about Steve Bannon losing his mind and shit like that. | ||
| That's going to make his job so much more difficult now. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Because I think he's better. | ||
| I think he's bitter that he didn't do his research on him before he committed to, hey, Bannon's lost his mind and has armed security around him at all times. | ||
| He has paramilitary troops guarding him and shit like that. | ||
| I think he's mad about that. | ||
| I think he's probably a little bit mad at Trump for that statement because it boxes him into a corner. | ||
| Now, I don't think that he can credibly... | ||
| Sight Breitbart. | ||
| He loses one of his allies, one of his major allies. | ||
| He already thinks that Bannon has lost his mind, so that means the entirety of Breitbart is pretty much gone. | ||
| And it calls into question so many of the narratives that Breitbart pushed that Alex jumped on before. | ||
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Of course. | |
| It calls into question Alex's credibility, and he knows that. | ||
| If anyone's paying attention, that is a thought that they have to have. | ||
| It's like, hey, if Bannon is this manipulative and this fucking crazy, he didn't just get there overnight. | ||
| Like, he's always been that guy. | ||
| And therefore, look at the narratives that were coming out of Breitbart and think about whether they're true or not. | ||
| Think about whether or not you, Alex Jones, got sued by Hamdi Ulukaya of Chobani Yogurt because of stories that you doubled down on that were published in Breitbart. | ||
| Now, does that give you any pause? | ||
| Do you now look at that slightly different Alex Emmerich Jones? | ||
| Do you realize how played you've been? | ||
| You are taking the second step, which, as we both know, is not a possible thing for the world of Alex Jones. | ||
| It's fascinating to me, though. | ||
| He's going to do another Breitbart story tomorrow. | ||
| Probably does on this show. | ||
| Yeah, that's true. | ||
| That's probably true, yeah. | ||
| I mean, so far we've just had AOL. | ||
| And in Breitbart we're reporting that... | ||
| He's not their editor right now. | ||
| I've got some steam coming out of my collared shirt. | ||
| I just, I don't understand this level of stupid. | ||
| Like, legitimately, if we had a source that we really liked, and then it came out like, oh, this person's nuts, probably be like, hey, sorry we covered that stuff, and at the same time call into question all the, you know... | ||
| The things that were laid, the track that was laid because of stories from this source. | ||
| Do we have a source that we really like? | ||
| I feel like we kind of hate everybody. | ||
| I like primary sources. | ||
| No, I mean like... | ||
| That's the show. | ||
| Oh, no, it's Credible Sources. | ||
| Yeah, Credible Sources. | ||
| Credible Sources. | ||
| There we go. | ||
| No, I take everything with a grain of salt. | ||
| You like Greenwald a little bit, but even you admit that he's kind of an asshole. | ||
| No, I think Greenwald is a complete asshole. | ||
| You've cited him a number of times. | ||
| I have cited him a number of times, but at the same time, I think he's a complete asshole. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| And I think he's wrong at least as much as he's right. | ||
| Like, anything he says, I take with a grain of salt. | ||
| Early on on the show, I think I, in particular, probably gave too much credibility to some stuff that had been on Twitter, but we addressed that at the time. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And, you know, apologized. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| No, I mean... | ||
| Adjust it. | ||
| That's what Alex is not doing. | ||
| Even people that we've talked about before, like Sarah Kensior. | ||
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Sure. | |
| That kind of thing. | ||
| Like, I like her. | ||
| I think she's doing good work. | ||
| But at the same time, I'm going to take everything she says with a grain of salt. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| Anybody who is predictive frustrates and angers me. | ||
| Well, predictive punditry, I guess, if you want to call it that. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It seems unfair, but maybe. | ||
| If you want to call it that, there's the problem of the future. | ||
| Like, you can always have things be right or wrong if you're predicting stuff. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| That's why I bucked at the end of last year. | ||
| You asked me for your predictions. | ||
| Like, nah. | ||
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Right. | |
| Not going to do it. | ||
| I think I still nailed it, though. | ||
| White people are going to be an issue. | ||
| Probably. | ||
| Speaking of a white guy that's an issue. | ||
| Hey! | ||
| Alex Jones. | ||
| Nice transition. | ||
| This rant's not nearly done. | ||
| And, again, I am always following my gut from now on with people. | ||
| And how, just like Trump said, and they got big studies out, you can tell if somebody's lying, you can tell if somebody's been sick even a few hours, even though the virus or bacteria hasn't really replicated. | ||
| What he's talking about... | ||
| I know that. | ||
| I saw that, yeah. | ||
| What he's talking about is that there are indications you can have. | ||
| It doesn't mean that everyone can pick up on those indications. | ||
| No, it's... | ||
| So it's not like, A, everyone has a superpower where they can tell if you're sick or lying. | ||
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Right. | |
| It's just that... | ||
| You know, there are little cues that you can get. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Or, like, a genuine smile. | ||
| Like, there's something about the eyebrows or some shit like that that go up in whatever way. | ||
| I'm certain there is. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I'm sure there is. | ||
| I don't give a shit. | ||
| Yeah, that sort of... | ||
| That area of study has always been, like, interesting, but at the same time, I don't want to use it. | ||
| Yeah, no good. | ||
| Like, the sort of body language specialists they have on TV. | ||
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Right, right, right. | |
| I don't want to... | ||
| Boiled down interaction to that level. | ||
| Very Malcolm Gladwellian, so to speak. | ||
| Hey, you love him. | ||
| I do not. | ||
| Your brain is such a supercomputer that your first shallow approximation is not shallow. | ||
| It's the deepest thing, to paraphrase the president. | ||
| But just look at Skelter again. | ||
| Put him on screen. | ||
| I think all the broadcast should be is just a photo of Skelter smiling. | ||
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Oh! | |
| Oh! | ||
| Oh my gosh! | ||
| Oh! | ||
| Hell on earth! | ||
| He's struggling now to try and figure out what to talk about other than Stelter is weird. | ||
| It's almost orgasmic. | ||
| That's Bernie Sanders, isn't it? | ||
| That's close. | ||
| So he pivots from near-orgasmic moaning into this. | ||
| He wants to run your life. | ||
| He wants to control every aspect of your life because he knows he is a cowardly, degenerate sack. | ||
| Of anti-human trash. | ||
| I like a man with ambition. | ||
| I pledge before my Heavenly Father. | ||
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So... | |
| Yes! | ||
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Yes! | |
| He's going to pledge... | ||
| It's time to pray. | ||
| He's going to pledge to Jesus. | ||
| Time to pray, Dan. | ||
| But, like, Brian Stelter wants to control everything. | ||
| He's an ambitious man. | ||
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Yeah, he is. | |
| Even though he knows he's a coward. | ||
| No, he's very ambitious. | ||
| He's on CNN. | ||
| Yeah, he's a coward, though. | ||
| That's crazy. | ||
| You can tell he's a coward. | ||
| It's crazy to think that a high schooler would be like, I'm going to be on CNN. | ||
| That's very ambitious. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I don't think he wants to rule the world. | ||
| Well, it's crazy that somebody like Paul Ryan is like, we have been dreaming about disabling and destroying the welfare state since college. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's a weird thing to dream about. | ||
| That's also ambitious. | ||
| Yeah, it's ambitious. | ||
| In the wrong direction. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That I will resist them every way I can. | ||
| These people are the literal demon spawn. | ||
| Of the pit of hell. | ||
| Look at him. | ||
| And you know what? | ||
| He is better than you if you keep letting him run your life. | ||
| He runs your kids. | ||
| He runs the schools. | ||
| He runs the banks. | ||
| This guy. | ||
| This spirit. | ||
| This smiling, leering devil that thinks you can't see what he is. | ||
| He is your enemy. | ||
| Period. | ||
| All the narcissistic, devil-worshipping filth. | ||
| I see you, enemy! | ||
| I see you, enemy! | ||
| Enemy! | ||
| Enemy! | ||
| You are my enemy! | ||
| And I swear total resistance to you with everything I've got! | ||
| You don't really have a choice at this point, Alex. | ||
| Yeah, I know. | ||
| You're kind of in there. | ||
| You've made your bed. | ||
| This is not like an impressive moral stand against Brian Stelter. | ||
| But at the same time, like... | ||
| What he's saying is, like, these smiles reveal the demonic force that's behind them. | ||
| So when he says that Brian Stelter runs the schools and runs the banks, he's talking about the demon that possesses him. | ||
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Right. | |
| And now here's where we have to get into, like, a really... | ||
| Are we sure he's talking about that, Dan? | ||
| Yeah, he did say that. | ||
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Oh, okay. | |
| I think you were laughing while he said that. | ||
| But, like, what we really have to get into is this schizophrenia. | ||
| Because it's really close to David Icke. | ||
| In terms of David Icke saying that people are shape-shifting lizards and what have you. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| Like, David Icke, when he got a divorce, one of the grounds for divorce was that his wife was a lizard. | ||
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That... | |
| I mean, is that... | ||
| Was he in a no-fault state? | ||
| Because I feel like... | ||
| I feel like grounds for, like... | ||
| If she is a lizard, that is kind of deceptive. | ||
| I don't know how England's laws work, so I can't comment on that. | ||
| But, like, that is the sort of mentality that Alex is manifesting. | ||
| It's like, anybody who's against us, I see a demon inside them. | ||
| And that is really fucked up. | ||
| That's really no way for us to operate as a society. | ||
| He is... | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Like, as much as we clown on Alex and be like, he's stupid and all this... | ||
| We're not saying he's a demon. | ||
| No. | ||
| Never go to that extent. | ||
| No. | ||
| Because there's very easy psychological explanations. | ||
| He's damaged. | ||
| He's... | ||
| From his childhood, he's probably brain damaged. | ||
| Depending on which way you want to go, he has borderline personality disorder or oppositional defiance disorder, or he's a psychopath. | ||
| Don't break the Goldwater rule. | ||
| Yeah, I think we're past that. | ||
| I think the Goldwater rule is out the window. | ||
| And we're not professionals. | ||
| No. | ||
| But I really resent that. | ||
| I really don't like that sort of approach. | ||
| Because it's a dangerous thing. | ||
| It's a dangerous game to play because you can just apply it to anybody. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And almost anybody has an unflattering picture of them that you could dig up somewhere where they look evil, you know? | ||
| Especially with Facebook now. | ||
| If you could just get on someone's Facebook, you could find some crazy pictures and just be like, look at this guy, he's evil. | ||
| I feel like I don't have any pictures where I look evil so much more as, like, if you get me from the right angle and the way my hair is parted, I look kind of like a penis. | ||
| Like, that's... | ||
| Evil. | ||
| Fair. | ||
| Evil penis. | ||
| I do look like an evil penis. | ||
| Alright, so Alex at this point decides he's gonna just jump into freaking out about demons. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| Disingenuous, fake, false, broke back, twisted, a defiler, a betrayer, a backstabber, a devil! | ||
| You will pay. | ||
| Yeah, you think I don't see your face, scum? | ||
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You don't think I don't see you? | |
| Stelter, I see you. | ||
| You understand me? | ||
| I know what you think of me and my family. | ||
| I see you right back. | ||
| You understand that? | ||
| You understand that, Delta? | ||
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Delta? | |
| Stelter. | ||
| You will fall! | ||
| You will not bring humanity down! | ||
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God is going to destroy you! | |
| Get him off the screen. | ||
| They're so evil. | ||
| Just please, God, free us from them! | ||
| They're drunk on our children's blood, for God's sake. | ||
| So, that... | ||
| Is something that could be tossed aside as an aside, but as we know from listening to him, he genuinely believes that the globalists drink children's blood to harvest adrenochrome and get high off of it, which of course is... | ||
| Silly. | ||
| And also an archaic anti-Semitic canard. | ||
| Right. | ||
| This is the blood libel coming back into effect. | ||
| Yeah, they're coming for our women. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| And now is probably a good time for me to bring up that Michael Wolff is Jewish. | ||
| And now is another good time for me to bring up that Alex thinks that Brian Stelter is Jewish. | ||
| But? | ||
| He was raised Christian. | ||
| He's now an atheist. | ||
| But his wife is Jewish. | ||
| Ah, well, that's all I need to know. | ||
| He was married in a Jewish ceremony. | ||
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Ah. | |
| And I don't think that that's a coincidence. | ||
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Ah. | |
| I think that Alex, when he's talking about these people looking evil, I think he's responding to very Semitic archetypal Facial features and the like. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That sounds right. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I think that's what this is all about. | ||
| Really? | ||
| Well, I think it's... | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I feel like Alex doesn't have the time to be consciously... | ||
| This level, though? | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| This level of ten minutes at the top of his show screaming about them being demons? | ||
| Also, once again... | ||
| And then slipping in that they're drunk on our children's blood kind of shit? | ||
| Why is it stelter again? | ||
| Is there a reason that it's stelter? | ||
| Because he has a smile that's like Michael Wolff's. | ||
| That's it. | ||
| No, no, I know, but... | ||
| He also just hates Brian Stelter, because he's said a few things that are judgmental of Trump in the past. | ||
| Oh. | ||
| And because he works for CNN, who, as we know, is ISIS. | ||
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ISIS. | |
| Yeah. | ||
| Right. | ||
| But I don't think it's a coincidence that the rant that he's going on isn't substantive about Wolf at all. | ||
| It's about how he looks evil, and that links him to Brian Stelter, who also looks evil. | ||
| And you even said they could be related. | ||
| You looked at pictures of them. | ||
| And what you're responding to is also fairly Jewish facial traits. | ||
| Am I anti-Semitic? | ||
| You might have been a little bit. | ||
| I did not know that. | ||
| Well, I don't think your version is harmful in saying that they could be related. | ||
| But again, Brian Stelter isn't Jewish. | ||
| They have similar facial features. | ||
| That's not my fault. | ||
| Brian Stelter isn't Jewish, but I think Alex is operating on an assumption that he is. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Now I'm concerned. | ||
| You shouldn't be concerned. | ||
| Now I'm concerned. | ||
| You should be more concerned about the fact that that's probably what's motivating this demonic vitriol that Alex has, and the fact that he's not addressing any of the real issues about Wolf. | ||
| If he was really just mad about Wolf being a liar and trying to take out his president, there's a lot more valuable approaches to take. | ||
| Like, quite frankly, if he were just to go over his career... | ||
| And he were to address the idea that this guy is a creative non-fiction writer, basically. | ||
| And that he spent his life manufacturing stories that are spiritually accurate, but not literally accurate. | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| He could get a lot of sale out of that. | ||
| He could get a lot of narratives about, like, we should just not believe this guy. | ||
| He has an agenda. | ||
| He could do any of those things. | ||
| The fact that he's focusing almost exclusively on appearance and relating it to demons, and then relating demons to... | ||
| They're drunk on our children's blood. | ||
| Means that those things are connected in his brain. | ||
| This appearance is a sign of a demon within you that wants to drink our children's blood. | ||
| That is inexorable in my mind. | ||
| They are connected. | ||
| Not to come to Alex's defense, because as we know, that's not a thing I like to do. | ||
| But, generally speaking, Alex goes after everybody's appearance. | ||
| True, but often it's like they're ugly. | ||
| Like with Megyn Kelly, he's like, she's ugly. | ||
| It's not that she's a demon and wants to drink your children's blood. | ||
| Right. | ||
| No, but he's done that plenty of times before. | ||
| Right, but... | ||
| And disregard, like, I think that's just more of his go-to move anytime he feels challenged by anybody intellectually is he tries to cut them down appearance-wise. | ||
| You're not wrong. | ||
| You're not wrong. | ||
| I think that I might be... | ||
| Drawing too sharp a connection. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And I'm not making the... | ||
| I would never make the argument that Alex is aware that this is what he's doing. | ||
| I just think that it is such a piece of his sort of worldview that he can't get away from it. | ||
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Right, right. | |
| But like I was saying, I don't think that Alex literally believes... | ||
| I think he believes this, but I don't think he knows he believes it. | ||
| And I'm certain that he doesn't understand where these narratives come from. | ||
| I would say that this particular kind of thing may be subconscious because I don't think he has time amidst all of his hate to specifically single out Jews. | ||
| No, but what I would posit is that he doesn't have the time because if he did, it would deconstruct so much of what he believes. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Like, if he had the time to look into, like, why the fuck do I think that these elites drink children's blood and scare them first? | ||
| It sounds familiar. | ||
| Little Google. | ||
| A lot of blood drinking traces back to something. | ||
| William of Norwich. | ||
| Well, like, if he were to do that, he would only have two possible outcomes. | ||
| One would be, oh shit. | ||
| So much of this is based on this blood libel shit. | ||
| I gotta deal with this more realistically. | ||
| Or he would have to be like, shit, since the 1400s, Jews have been doing this. | ||
| Oh my god! | ||
| And then he'd have to turn into David Duke. | ||
| Now that would be funny. | ||
| Right. | ||
| I mean, that would be negative, but if all of a sudden on his show he has a revelation moment where he's just like, it's Jews' fault! | ||
| You'd be like, alright dude. | ||
| Let's find out where this shit goes. | ||
| It would be like watching someone come out of the closet. | ||
| Oh, for sure! | ||
| It would be like, we know, Alex, just say it. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| We've known you were anti-Semitic forever. | ||
| It would be a problem, but it would be a relief. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Just embrace it. | ||
| Not like embrace it, but at least if it's out in the open, we can all deal with it. | ||
| And now's the time to make clear that anti-Semitism and being gay are not related at all. | ||
| No, I don't... | ||
| Lest anyone take that out of context. | ||
| Look, if this is your first time listening to this show, let's make it very clear. | ||
| I think everybody else knows that we're kind of against anti... | ||
| I shouldn't have said kind of. | ||
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I'm going to go 100% against anti-Semitism. | |
| So let's get back to this rant. | ||
| I forgot. | ||
| I mean, let's talk about this, because in that last clip, I forgot. | ||
| I was so caught up in the children's blood and what have you that I forgot the true comedy of... | ||
| Stelter! | ||
| Stelter! | ||
| My mortal enemy! | ||
| It also has the feel of Bueller's Day Off. | ||
| Bueller! | ||
| You've done it again, Stelter. | ||
| You've done it again. | ||
| Anyway. | ||
| Okay, I'm going to stop right now. | ||
| You're not. | ||
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I'm going to find the photo of a wolf. | |
| The author of the... | ||
| I'm just giving you a little bit of how they feel about you, see? | ||
| But not the same spirit. | ||
| From a spirit of will and strength against evil and recognizing evil and letting it know that you understand what it's up to and that you see it. | ||
| You understand? | ||
| Because they don't want to be identified, but they want to hang it out right there in front of you and not be identified, like the Joker. | ||
| I see it. | ||
| I know what your real face is. | ||
| Oh, they just absolutely love to hurt innocents. | ||
| They just rub their hands together to break down civilization, to destroy families, to defile everything they can, and to deceive and to mislead. | ||
| So again, so much of that, even right there, goes back to the protocols of the elders of Zion in terms of its conception of the globalists. | ||
| So, I mean... | ||
| We could do this every day whenever we cover anything. | ||
| Right. | ||
| This goes back to anti-Semitism. | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| But it is valuable to bring up that the destruction of the family, lying to everybody, controlling the media, that stuff is all the globalist New World Order conception that is crafted from the fraudulent text, the Protocols of the Elders of Zion. | ||
| To me, it seems kind of odd for him to pull that language out specifically because... | ||
| Even at my worst enemy, the only people I can think of who do delight in that kind of torture are serial killers. | ||
| But he thinks that the globalists are serial killers. | ||
| I know, but I think bankers are, in general, psychopaths who are murdering us all. | ||
| But at the same time, I know they go home and they actually... | ||
| Most of them. | ||
| You know, like, that kind of a thing. | ||
| Well, at the same rate as anyone does. | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| You know, like, there are people who are psychopaths through and through. | ||
| Right. | ||
| But that doesn't mean that you can be, like, you can't... | ||
| Do a sort of exploitative job and then have a normal life. | ||
| I would say there's a, like, whatever, like in John Ronson's The Psychopath Test, I would say that there's probably a higher percentage in banking and politics and that type of thing of psychopaths, but I still don't think they delight in torture in the same way that certain serial killers do. | ||
| Do you know what I mean? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Like, there are a lot of psychopaths in the general population who just, like... | ||
| Don't give a shit, you know? | ||
| That's just kind of their deal. | ||
| Yeah, I agree. | ||
| I don't know what I was going to say. | ||
| I had a rebuttal. | ||
| Not a rebuttal, but sort of another thing. | ||
| But I don't know what it was. | ||
| Anyway. | ||
| Build their own universe of fraud. | ||
| This is the compendium of their abomination desolation. | ||
| That's a good rhyme. | ||
| Not really. | ||
| Let me continue here for a second. | ||
| The author of the explosive new Trump book says he can't be sure parts of it are true and just does whatever it takes to get in the news. | ||
| Oh, there you go. | ||
| Again, read the articles, Alex. | ||
| Not what he said. | ||
| Read the articles. | ||
| Also, in Michael Wolff's book, from what I have heard about it, Trump, at a certain point, they're like, you know, all he does is read the headlines. | ||
| And I'm like, ah, ah. | ||
| That's why they get along. | ||
| Yeah, you guys are kindred spirits. | ||
| Well, there is that thing that was from that excerpt where... | ||
| Trump was quoted as saying he didn't know who John Boehner was. | ||
| And that's not realistic. | ||
| I didn't know that. | ||
| There's one point where I believe Roger Ailes suggested Boehner as a chief of staff. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| As I remember the excerpt, and Trump's response is, who is that? | ||
| And I don't think that that can possibly be true. | ||
| Well, even if that is, like, I could see that being true in more of, like, a sarcastic kind of biting sense of, like, who even is that? | ||
| You know, that kind of a thing. | ||
| I would say that's probably, if you're taking that out of context, you could see that as, like, him being a doddering old sunlight. | ||
| I think it's impossible to sort of look at that. | ||
| As literally true. | ||
| He doesn't know this person who he is. | ||
| He's tweeted about him a bunch. | ||
| Forever. | ||
| But yeah, I don't know. | ||
| Alex has got to read. | ||
| He's got to start reading. | ||
| That's the other thing I wanted to bring up. | ||
| When we were talking about this idea of his conception of the globalists as psychopaths and shit like that, this year especially, and a couple months before 2018 hit, I'd been reading a lot of... | ||
| Primary globalist texts. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| That Alex Jones puts out as, like, these are evil. | ||
| And you have come to the conclusion that Alex is correct. | ||
| Totally. | ||
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| I've read multiple reports from the Club of Rome. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| I've read most of Ecoscience, the 1600-page book by John P. Holdren. | ||
| Right. | ||
| I've read countless other things. | ||
| Some Zbigniew Brzezinski books. | ||
| Right. | ||
| I've read some writings by Singer. | ||
| And one of the things that I'm coming away... | ||
| Not Bryan Singer. | ||
| No. | ||
| No, no. | ||
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No. | |
| Fuck him. | ||
| One of the things that I'm coming away from it with is actually a growing respect for... | ||
| The globalists. | ||
| Well, not the globalists, but people in charge. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Like, I'm coming away from it with a very... | ||
| Expanded respect for how difficult choices are. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| And how big the world is. | ||
| Right. | ||
| We talked about this, I think, a little bit before, but the Club of Rome, one of their big things is that... | ||
| They look at the world's problems as being interconnected and how if you work on one problem, often you can hurt another problem. | ||
| And when you look at the world from that sort of holistic view, it becomes really difficult to make a choice. | ||
| It becomes really difficult to advocate for a certain position. | ||
| It's the paralysis of the cereal aisle. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And they don't. | ||
| They generally don't advocate for a certain position. | ||
| Right. | ||
| They discuss, like, these are the things that could happen when X, Y, or Z happens. | ||
| And it's fascinating to me. | ||
| It makes me feel much more like we're in good hands. | ||
| Because there are people who are going through that level of analysis. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And I couldn't do that. | ||
| No, I mean, that's kind of the ultimate failure of... | ||
| Alex Jones is having the opposite effect on me that he would want to have. | ||
| No, of course. | ||
| I mean, that's... | ||
| Kind of the failure of what Trump really is, is he thinks it's just a guy who can do a thing. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And that's just not how it works. | ||
| To me, I think I can tell you a lot of solutions to problems. | ||
| But if I were to apply a solution to a problem, that would almost certainly fuck up another issue. | ||
| Which is... | ||
| G variable, A, B, C, D, down to G variable that you hadn't considered would get completely fucked up. | ||
| Which is what Obama did do very well. | ||
| He just didn't do certain solutions the way that would have been perhaps best. | ||
| And we'll get deeper into this as time goes on, but one of the things that I've also found pretty fascinating is I've read some conservative... | ||
| that Alex complains about, and I'm finding pretty similar things there. | ||
| Like, I disagree with their positions, but they're certainly not nearly as evil as Alex paints them out to be. | ||
| Right. | ||
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Like, even the Project for a New American Century document, like, there's a lot of problems in that, and I disagree with a lot of the worldview. | |
| But if you actually go read it, I'm not convinced that most of their intention wasn't to create a better situation where... | ||
| The United States could help the world. | ||
| I don't know if... | ||
| I don't think it's proof that they did 9-11. | ||
| Right, right. | ||
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Or... | |
| There are a lot of really fucked up things that you can find therein, but I think that generally... | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| It's weird that I'm starting to have a trust of government. | ||
| Yeah, that is very strange. | ||
| But again, these aren't really necessarily the government. | ||
| They're sort of non-governmental organizations. | ||
| Strangely enough, do you know what one thing that I have... | ||
| Actually been coming, not around on, but have been starting to respect Trump's position on North Korea. | ||
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Oh boy. | |
| Like, in all honesty, I'm starting to... | ||
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That's wild. | |
| I know, it's very wild, but I'm starting to think, like, just like Nixon's position of... | ||
| Going to China? | ||
| Yeah, no, no, no, like... | ||
| You want crazy? | ||
| I'll show you fucking crazy. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| You know, like, that kind of a thing. | ||
| In some ways, that is effective. | ||
| You think you're loco? | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| Like, there is a certain extent of maybe just call their fucking bluff. | ||
| Like, that could be a thing. | ||
| Like, I don't know. | ||
| Like, the issue with that is that it's so high risk, it seems insane. | ||
| There's zero room for, like, if he has pocket aces or whatever, then the game is over. | ||
| You're all in, and you have a loser hand. | ||
| Right. | ||
| It's a fascinating idea that... | ||
| I disagree with you coming around on it. | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| Okay, maybe coming around on it should be a very qualified position. | ||
| I think I am starting to see, even by accident, because it's clearly by accident. | ||
| There's no thoughtful position behind, I've got a bigger dick than you. | ||
| Right. | ||
| But at the same time, like... | ||
| Also, that really pissed Alex off. | ||
| Yeah? | ||
| Everyone talking about how those tweets were really about Trump's dick really pissed Alex off. | ||
| Really? | ||
| He spent a good, like, five, ten minutes talking about how, like, come on, man. | ||
| That's nonsense. | ||
| Why are you trying to make this about sex? | ||
| This is about buttons. | ||
| No. | ||
| This is about nukes. | ||
| And everyone talks about how Trump's hands are so small. | ||
| His hands are fine. | ||
| But that's about his dick! | ||
| And also, everybody knows that it's more about your feet. | ||
| That is a paraphrased quote from his show. | ||
| Do you mean Alex was talking about his dick? | ||
| In the defense of Trump not talking about his dick, Alex is like, I'm talking about my dick. | ||
| Everyone knows its feet. | ||
| Crazy. | ||
| I don't know, man. | ||
| Like, I agree. | ||
| I agree that there may be some validity to calling bluffs and what have you, but at the same time, where do you get after you call that bluff? | ||
| No, of course. | ||
| The situation doesn't become stabilized. | ||
| The only way you can call the bluff, really, is to attack. | ||
| And if you attack, then there is no bluff. | ||
| South Korea still gets destroyed. | ||
| I'm not saying it's a good idea. | ||
| I'm saying that I am starting to see... | ||
| Again, like you said, certain merits to the concept. | ||
| They're not thoughtful. | ||
| They're not thought out. | ||
| Let me push back against that. | ||
| Because I think that actually what's going on is partially what you're talking about, but also partially a maintenance of the status quo. | ||
| Because I think with this, like, war of words that he's having over Twitter and this antagonizing of Kim Jong-un, what you have is a maintenance of the sort of strategic tension that we have in the world with, like, this rogue state wants to attack its neighbors, their weird despotic regime, and, you know, ooh, we can't really do anything about it because they're going to attack everybody. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| That sort of status quo has lived with us since. | ||
| The Cold War. | ||
| That's a really good point. | ||
| And what he's doing is not attacking them. | ||
| He's not addressing the situation. | ||
| He's just escalating that status quo. | ||
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| So now the status quo is going to be all of us scared all the time that he's going to say the wrong thing. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| And then Kim Jong-un is going to... | ||
| So what you're saying is that this is simply a more public version of mutually assured destruction that you would have seen in late 60s with the... | ||
| Somewhat, yeah. | ||
| You just didn't hear fucking Eisenhower be like, hey, I got a bigger dick than Russia on Twitter. | ||
| Yeah, I still don't think anyone's going to pop off. | ||
| I still don't think either Trump or Un is going to nuke anybody. | ||
| But the fear to me has nothing to do with those two lunatics and everything to do with what happened in Russia multiple times of just like, We're going to prepare for this eventuality. | ||
| Then there's some kind of glitch or whatever, and some low-level guy is just like, I was told to push this button, and that's that. | ||
| And when you're in a regime like North Korea, there's much less chance that they are going to be as restrained as the Russians who saved the world. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Well, the singular Russian dude who saved the world. | ||
| We know of one, but there's nothing to say that that incident didn't happen more than once. | ||
| Or even here. | ||
| No, of course. | ||
| I would say probably, if you know of one, it probably happened between four and six times, like that kind of a thing. | ||
| So that's kind of... | ||
| The potential for accidents is very high. | ||
| Right. | ||
| That's not... | ||
| My fear isn't these two idiots. | ||
| It's, you know, that trickle-down effect of everybody is constantly on red alert and always afraid. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And when human beings are constantly on red alert, eventually you get an adrenaline situation. | ||
| And you get a whoops. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| I still look at... | ||
| I think that that is something that is very valid and should be discussed more big picture. | ||
| But at the same time, I still think... | ||
| When I look at Trump and his behavior, I think it's abhorrent. | ||
| But at the same time, the function of it really doesn't change the status quo with North Korea. | ||
| It just makes everyone more scared. | ||
| That is a really good point, and I think it's valid, and I retract my position. | ||
| Yes! | ||
| First retraction of 2018. | ||
| I'm going to start keeping track. | ||
| You've extracted many from me over the years, and I've only got a few from you. | ||
| I think if we're going to keep the running tally... | ||
| Well, that's because I'm more reasonable than you. | ||
| That's true. | ||
| Your positions are often half-cocked. | ||
| I love the passion, but at the same time... | ||
| I am very much the guy that I am afraid of who might accidentally press the button. | ||
| Well, it's tough. | ||
| I mean, I think it's probably tough for us to sit here and have the... | ||
| You stake a position, and I'm like, well, hold on. | ||
| When I spend... | ||
| Literally almost all of my time reading these... | ||
| I hate to keep going back to the Club of Rome, but these documents of what you see when you read these documents are issues. | ||
| There's an issue. | ||
| There's a problem. | ||
| And then it's a hundred pages of what could happen, and then let's analyze that. | ||
| And so it's all this gamesmanship in rhetoric through the text of if this, then what? | ||
| And it gets me in that brain space. | ||
| I don't know why I need to say this, but I feel like I do, which is that if I were in a position of actually making a decision with real-world effects, I would be far more likely to do what you do. | ||
| Let's run for president. | ||
| You're just more willing to think about these things reasonably in a low-stakes environment. | ||
| Let's run for office. | ||
| Whereas in my situation with such low stakes, I'm like, fuck it, let's say random-ass bullshit, you know? | ||
| I got a little wine in me. | ||
| Let's run for office. | ||
| Let's do it. | ||
| You can be president. | ||
| I'll be chief of staff. | ||
| I feel like, yeah, I feel like I would probably be a much better front man, and I would just let you make all the decisions. | ||
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| I'll be your creepy chief of staff. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| You're the banon of this situation. | ||
| How dare you? | ||
| I'm trying to be less sloppy. | ||
| All right, so we got one more clip of this rant, and then we'll get to what happens throughout the rest of Right After It. | ||
| But this rant takes us out to a commercial break, and it's mostly about demons. | ||
| So he just runs around. | ||
| And, you know, when I knew he was such a charlatan, according to his own words, basically, Mr. Wolfie, that Mr. Wolf in journalist clothing, as they're saying. | ||
| But I said, oh, Bannon certainly is going to say he's been misquoted. | ||
| And this was. | ||
| Hyperbole, or he was juxtapositioning, or he was devil's advocating. | ||
| I work on things here on air, and the media takes it out of context, even though 20 seconds before, I said, I don't really believe this, but this is how they basically see it. | ||
| And that's how they deceive. | ||
| It's what they do. | ||
| They're of their father, the devil, a spirit they worship. | ||
| But they don't want you to know that it's all real, and that they are literal, on-their-belly snakes. | ||
| I see the snakes in the grass. | ||
| We will stand against them. | ||
| I'm going to compose myself. | ||
| We'll be right back on the other side as we expose these wolves, these beasts that go about roaring, seeing who they may devour. | ||
| Stay with me. | ||
| So that's a triumphant exit to break. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Where you at? | ||
| Where you at on that rant? | ||
| That's what went viral. | ||
| That's sort of what everyone's talking about. | ||
| I'm going to go with that's lame for us. | ||
| It's interesting that I think our conversation of the ramifications of a lot of this stuff is much different than what the rest of the world is dealing with. | ||
| I think we spiraled off on about 13 different tangents because to us this is kind of run-of-the-mill shit, right? | ||
| Well, him freaking out and stuff like that. | ||
| No, it's fun. | ||
| I can see why people would see this as like a fun kind of thing to glom onto. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Mainly because now I have the question, if they are literal on their belly snakes. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Stelter. | ||
| Do they have fake arms and legs? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Who makes them? | ||
| Because that's the guy we need to talk to. | ||
| Bezos. | ||
| It all goes back to Amazon. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| I actually find that to be the most reasonable thing that has been said so far tonight! | ||
| Amazon will one day make us all fake arms, as we are literal belly-dwelling snakes. | ||
| What a bunch of horse shit. | ||
| Yeah, I know. | ||
| It's weird to me. | ||
| I always get kind of surprised by what captures people's attention in terms of Alex, because, like... | ||
| I mean, we go back to this over and over again, but last year on the March 30th episode where he told Adam Schiff he was going to kick his ass, and then the rest of the episode is complete drunk nonsense. | ||
| Right. | ||
| It's interesting to me that people glom on to that, I'm going to kick your ass, you pussy. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Which is fun. | ||
| As opposed to, Alex Jones was drunk for three hours on air. | ||
| I'm not racist. | ||
| I love Mexican food. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And Mexican women are very hot. | ||
| There are four ways. | ||
| To learn. | ||
| Right. | ||
| I mean, it's interesting to me, and I get on one level why people shared this like crazy. | ||
| It's like, isn't it funny that he calls Brian Stelter a demon? | ||
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| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| Pretty standard. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Pretty run-of-the-mill. | ||
| Yeah, we've seen him call a lot of folks demons in the past. | ||
| And also, I mean, it's important, I think. | ||
| I genuinely believe that it's important to point out these things about the anti-Semitic... | ||
| Right. | ||
| And how all his complaints on this rant that went viral were about appearance, or they were triggered by appearance. | ||
| That, to me, is not necessarily something I'm seeing being covered. | ||
| And that kind of bothers me. | ||
| Because I think anybody with a grasp of Alex, his history, what's important to him, and what you're saying, what you said earlier about him criticizing everyone's appearance is totally valid. | ||
| But it's not he's saying that they're ugly. | ||
| I'm not... | ||
| I want to clarify that in specific. | ||
| I don't see an issue with your analysis, and I am not trying to defend him as a, he's an equal opportunity kind of hater. | ||
| My point just being like... | ||
| He kind of is, though. | ||
| I mean, that's fair. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I definitely think that there is absolutely some anti-Semitic leanings behind it. | ||
| I just wouldn't jump that far this particular time. | ||
| It's simply my point. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I mean, I think as we look at stuff like this... | ||
| Although maybe that's a preemptive defense because whenever I looked at their pictures, they're both bald, which I think is Jewish. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I don't know, man. | ||
| I wish I hadn't said that. | ||
| Oh, boy. | ||
| Whoa! | ||
| So, in this next clip, Alex comes back from commercial break, and he has a very, very weird take on sort of the Iran protests. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| This has a lot to do with liberals hating you, but then he gets into that, and I think that there's... | ||
| I am immediately very self-conscious. | ||
| I really wish I hadn't said that. | ||
| I think you're fine. | ||
| It was a joke. | ||
| You're fine. | ||
| It was not a... | ||
| God, I... | ||
| You're fine. | ||
| People like Hillary Clinton like to hurt people. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Fake. | ||
| Journalist, this wolf in the hen house, Michael Wolfe, people like him enjoy the climate of fake news media, corporate media, and the open season on the truth, open season on the president, open season on loyal, decent, hard-working, honorable folks. | ||
| Open season because the trash knows it's being taken out. | ||
| And so the trash is fighting for its political. | ||
| Cultural and spiritual life. | ||
| And its life is culturally ruling us. | ||
| Leftist globalism allied with Islam. | ||
| Yeah, it's about time we got there. | ||
| As Paul Watson's report on Infowars.com breaks it down, is allied with radical Islam and is saying it isn't feminist to take your hijab off and the women standing up getting shot and killed in... | ||
| Iran and places like Tehran, they're not good. | ||
| People aren't saying that. | ||
| And Iran and the mullahs are good. | ||
| People aren't saying that. | ||
| Paul Watson lays it out. | ||
| News articles, videos, progressive left. | ||
| There's the title. | ||
| Progressive left embraces the hijab while actual feminists in Iran remove it to fight oppression and in some cases get tortured and killed and shot. | ||
| But it's hundreds dead now. | ||
| But that's okay because she making a woman wear a hood over her head or cutting her genitals off is liberal. | ||
| Because that's what liberals want. | ||
| If they can't cut your womb out and they can't butcher your baby in the womb, they're going to try to brain damage it with all their vaccines and their fluoride and all the garbage. | ||
| They admit that's their plan. | ||
| That sounds right. | ||
| That's poisoning the well narratives. | ||
| That sounds right. | ||
| That's all anti-Semitic shit too. | ||
| If we can't cut out wombs... | ||
| What are we doing? | ||
| That's just anti-Semitic shit there too, man. | ||
| That's like the poisoning the food, poisoning the water, the vaccines are tainted. | ||
| That's all poisoning the well shit. | ||
| Coming for your women. | ||
| Becomes so boring. | ||
| But also, this is such a massive misunderstanding of people's positions. | ||
| And that is that if you want, like the liberals, people on the left, what he's talking about is like Linda Sarsour and those type of folks. | ||
| Their argument is, if you want to wear a hijab, you can. | ||
| I almost slipped into Alex's. | ||
| Dumb pronunciation. | ||
| No kidding. | ||
| It's not anti-feminist to wear a hijab. | ||
| It's not. | ||
| It's anti-feminist to be forced to wear a hijab. | ||
| Or to be forced not to. | ||
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Hey! | |
| Those two things are the polar sides of the problem. | ||
| I think our issue... | ||
| Being able to choose is... | ||
| Our issue isn't with the hijab, and it's more with the force. | ||
| I grew up with a Muslim family in my neighborhood, and I went to school with a number of Muslim children. | ||
| And my dad is a religious studies professor, and so we were well plugged into communities. | ||
| I knew tons of Muslim people growing up, and largely with girls that I knew who were Muslims. | ||
| It was a choice for them. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And that most of them chose, too. | ||
| Now, whether or not that's social pressure or not, I'm not entirely sure. | ||
| But it's in no way my place to say you're making the wrong choice. | ||
| Which is the issue I have with Quebec, because they just passed the hijab ban in public spaces. | ||
| That's crazy. | ||
| Not just, but recently. | ||
| That's crazy. | ||
| It's crazy, right? | ||
| Right. | ||
| And I think it is as awful as a majority Muslim country. | ||
| Passing a, if you don't wear a hijab, you're blah, blah, blah, blah. | ||
| You know, that whole thing. | ||
| And to play this game, too, like, if Alex really wants to be consistent on all this stuff, he would really have to take issue with the Amish, the Mennonites. | ||
| Right. | ||
| All the Anabaptists. | ||
| Well, they're allowed to wear colors now, so that's fine. | ||
| Well, women wear hoods, essentially. | ||
| They wear bonnets. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Or Jewish people wearing yarmulkes. | ||
| Stuff like that. | ||
| I have to recuse myself. | ||
| I have a whole bit about this. | ||
| You know what I'm saying? | ||
| All that stuff, there's a trickle-down to it that he's not taking into account. | ||
| When my family was in a cult... | ||
| All of the women were forced to dress the same. | ||
| They weren't allowed to... | ||
| It's always hidden behind modesty, but at the same time, it's control of the feminine or whatever. | ||
| Well, if you want to go into that type of narrative that we talked about with the one dumb lady from Alaska who's like, he's taking women all the way away from her family. | ||
| That caller from the last episode. | ||
| That is such a consistent thing whenever you talk about other types of women controlling narratives, is we have to protect them, and by doing so, We're afraid of their sexuality. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| As much as we talk about how much of his stupid shit goes back to anti-somatic canards, this goes back to the first book of the Bible. | ||
| That's a good point. | ||
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You let a woman make a decision for herself and the whole world is fucked! | |
| That's that whole fundamentalist tradition of Eve's fall. | ||
| That sort of thing. | ||
| Adam would have been fine if it wasn't for Eve. | ||
| That's where this controlling of women in religions historically roots from. | ||
| It's fucking nonsense. | ||
| Which is even more fascinating because if you do go back to that type of roots of religion thing, it did not become so male-dominated until it became popular. | ||
| Totally. | ||
| Like, the religious roots were all women. | ||
| Like, women were the gatekeepers. | ||
| Like, if you talk about Greek culture, women were the most spiritual leaders. | ||
| And then we get into monotheism and... | ||
| Who would have guessed men use it to control everybody? | ||
| That's kind of the situation there. | ||
| It's almost as if religion isn't bad, but the centralization and control of it as a political and social force is. | ||
| Something about that rings true. | ||
| Anyway, what I was trying to get to, and I don't know, you know more about the Iran protests than I do, but I've not seen anybody on Twitter or... | ||
| Writing op-eds, being like, these fucking women taking off their hijabs are way out of line, and we love the mullahs. | ||
|
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Right, right, right. | |
| I've not seen that perspective at all. | ||
| All he's trying to do is score points off his already established, Linda Sarsour wants you to put on a hijab for feminism, and then being like, look, they don't support these people in Iran. | ||
| I think most people's perspective on protests in Iran is pretty complicated stuff. | ||
| It is... | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| It's one of those things that is very similar. | ||
| I would liken the protests in Iran to voting for Roy Moore. | ||
| I'm interested to see where this... | ||
| When you talk about that type of situation, once again, in Alabama... | ||
| Because of its fundamentalist, racist, and religious roots, you wind up having 60% of white women voting for a guy who is... | ||
| Clearly against any and all rights for white women. | ||
| And the same sort of statistical track for evangelicals. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And then you look at Iran and you see the counter-protests that were run by very pro-government sources who supported and put that together. | ||
| And you have that same kind of older women kind of situation where it's like, you have to do this because that is the tradition. | ||
| Even though they are the ones who have been most subjugated by it. | ||
| And you find out anytime there is a protest of the poor and the young, everybody gets fucked. | ||
| Like, that's the situation that is going on in Iran right now. | ||
| It is the poor... | ||
| And it is the young, and they are fighting back, and they are going to get destroyed because they simply aren't allowed to associate in the way that they should be. | ||
| Right now, in so many universities in Iran, in Tehran, and in many of the different cities, you find preemptive arrests going on, which are bananas. | ||
| Well, it's much like what we've seen in Turkey already. | ||
| Right. | ||
| You destroy, or the Cultural Revolution in China, you destroy any kind of ability for educated, youthful people who are also the most unemployed in Iran. | ||
| You destroy any ability for them to gather, and then you can centralize power between people. | ||
| Mm-hmm. | ||
| just overwhelming force to defeat them. | ||
| And that's the situation in Iran. | ||
| It is the protest. | ||
| As I wrote, it is the protest that all of us should be having that we are all incapable of having. | ||
| It has less to do with liberals wanting to cut women's clits off. | ||
| No, it has nothing to do with women having their wombs removed. | ||
| No. | ||
| Or liberals being in favor of that. | ||
| I think that most liberal folk that I know do support, in as much as they can, the protests that are going on. | ||
| I don't think that there's any real legitimate way for us to support it. | ||
| It's inexplicable that Nikki Haley would try and draw a UN conference to support protests that would abjectly destroy her life if they were to happen here. | ||
| Right, but because they're in a state that we are opposed to, it's profitable. | ||
| It's almost like the inverse of the Arab Spring to some extent. | ||
| And it's really interesting to see Alex be very pro this time and very anti about other states where similar things like this have happened. | ||
| Well, Egypt and Saudi Arabia are our, quote, allies. | ||
| And Iran is our, quote, enemy. | ||
| And that's where you get into trouble. | ||
| Well, that's where this whole worldview is stupid. | ||
| It is so stupid. | ||
| It is stupid. | ||
| There are people who have grievances. | ||
| But that's the ultimate failure of nationalism. | ||
| Totally. | ||
| Nationalism suggests that the leaders of a country are the country. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| When in reality, most Americans are not Trump-like. | ||
| And yet, by Trump being our... | ||
| I know one guy who is. | ||
| I do know one guy who is. | ||
| We talk about him a lot. | ||
| I know, like... | ||
| Well, 37% of the population who is. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Like, it's that kind of situation. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I think we're going to start to understand that dynamic a lot more as time goes on. | ||
| Nations are a failure of humanity. | ||
| Anyways, let's keep going. | ||
| That's an interesting idea, and I kind of agree. | ||
| But, be that as it may, I think the best case scenario and the best, like, look for the world is collectivism, quite frankly. | ||
| You're a globalist! | ||
| I am. | ||
| I think. | ||
| I think we are, too. | ||
| I think so. | ||
| I don't want to poison the water, but... | ||
| It is. | ||
| The idea... | ||
| So I was reading H.G. Wells. | ||
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I mean, put it this way. | |
| We specifically describe people who support this show as policy wonks, foreign policy wonks, and globalists. | ||
| That is tongue-in-cheek, and yet at the same time... | ||
| So, Alex has got a lot of ideas on this episode. | ||
| He's got a lot of bullshit. | ||
| Like I told you, he had sort of vaguely turned against Bannon, but also was couching it before about this idea that this guy is a liar. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| In this next clip, we find on this Friday, he's turned. | ||
| Gotcha. | ||
| He just sits there and goes, oh, I love Trump! | ||
| And then sits back and watches his attempt to blow up the White House politically. | ||
| He lights the fuse. | ||
| Walks off the same distance. | ||
| He goes, is it snowing outside? | ||
| No, it's dandruff. | ||
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Catch-up stains down the front of him. | |
| I'm the Liberty Movement. | ||
| I came with money and took over Breitbart after he died. | ||
| I'm the kingpin. | ||
| I'm the god. | ||
| I'm the Liberty Movement. | ||
| Meanwhile, he's behind the scenes leaking everything for the New York Times, the Washington Post. | ||
| By the way, leaking BS. | ||
| A couple quick things. | ||
| Alex Jones, here's a direct quote from him. | ||
| Infowars powers the Trump movement. | ||
| So that's a little fun. | ||
| Secondarily, Alex, don't fucking pretend that Bannon wasn't leaking to you. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Don't fucking pretend he wasn't leaking to Roger Stone. | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| If he wasn't leaking directly to you, he was leaking to you through Roger Stone. | ||
| All of the narratives that Alex was pitching about how Kushner is a globalist and all this stuff, that's directly stuff that obviously had its genesis with Bannon. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Their feud in the White House, of course, was the driving force behind that. | ||
| And the whole time that Alex was pitching this narrative that Reince Priebus was the leaker was almost certainly Steve Bannon saying that. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Because those two also had a bit of a feud. | ||
| A lot of feuds in this White House. | ||
| A lot of palace intrigue. | ||
| Not very well coordinated. | ||
| Right, so he should not be playing... | ||
| I mean, his audience doesn't fucking... | ||
| No. | ||
| Take the time to think about these things, but obviously most of his narratives came from Bannon. | ||
| I mean, what's interesting to me is I don't think his audience actually gives a shit about the palace intrigue either. | ||
| No, I think they do. | ||
| Do you think so? | ||
| I think so. | ||
| He wouldn't keep doing this otherwise. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I think that they're fooled into thinking that there is some credibility to it. | ||
| Because I think the way that Alex sells it is that the palace intrigue isn't just dicks being dicks, which is what it is. | ||
| I think that the way he sells it to his audience and the way that they ingest it is there's a team of globalists and then there's a team of Trump people and they're doing war. | ||
| And so this palace intrigue isn't just... | ||
| You know, like the idea of your elites having petty squabbles. | ||
| It's actually one team who is trying to save the world. | ||
| It's the deep state versus the blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. | ||
| So he's been able to recontextualize and rebrand Palace Intrigue into a way that his audience does like. | ||
| Which is... | ||
| I think that's probably most accurate. | ||
| Which is winners versus losers. | ||
| They're all losers, but... | ||
| I think the way that you make an Alex Jones audience interested in this dumb palace intrigue stuff is these are the good guys who are winning, just like we are all winning. | ||
| There's a counter-revolution. | ||
| I think it's less winners and losers and more a misappropriation of stakes. | ||
| But isn't that ultimately his idea of what his audience is interested in? | ||
| They want to see people win. | ||
| They want to see the winners. | ||
| White people win. | ||
| That's a good point. | ||
| Yeah, possibly. | ||
| But I think at the same time, he's already spent so much time couching, like, they might take him out. | ||
| We might lose. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Like that sort of thing. | ||
| But it's always, we're winning. | ||
| We're the winners. | ||
| We're winning all the time. | ||
| They're still coming after us. | ||
| And we're losing on all fronts. | ||
| But we're winning. | ||
| We're the winners. | ||
| We're always winning. | ||
| But... | ||
| We're on the edge of losing at all times. | ||
| And what does that tell you? | ||
| I think that tells you that the fight is really more important to the narrative than the winning or losing. | ||
| Right. | ||
| The presentation of winning and losing, he can sell either to move product. | ||
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Yes. | |
| And to keep people engaged. | ||
| True. | ||
| But without squabble, without fight, there is no way he can keep his machine moving. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's perpetual war on a political scale. | ||
| But like tomorrow, he could come out and he could do a show where he's like, we are fucking losing. | ||
| And he could use that. | ||
| Right. | ||
| He could use that to his advantage. | ||
| He couldn't use all is well. | ||
| Everybody is, everything's operating well. | ||
| Like, Trump is doing all the right things and people seem to be enjoying it. | ||
| That's true. | ||
| There's no way he could use that. | ||
| Right. | ||
| He needs the false boogeyman, the antagonist that is imagined in order to fuel his rhetoric. | ||
| Which then we go back to his comment about the media needs Trump. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Like, there is an... | ||
| I do think there's an arguable position to support him in that analysis. | ||
| Well, only about himself. | ||
| If he's the media... | ||
| Fair enough. | ||
| Fair enough. | ||
| Because I don't think that the media needs somebody to fight against. | ||
| I mean, I remember when I was younger watching, like, McNeil-Layer Hour, and it was boring as hell, but at the same time it was informative, and it was the news. | ||
| But that's where your position goes back to the very beginning, which is the news shouldn't care about ratings. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Just like Alex needs to move product, so does the news need to move advertising dollars. | ||
| Well, and that's another, I mean, that's a much bigger conversation. | ||
| That's a much bigger conversation. | ||
| And let's get into it now and solve it. | ||
| I mean, let's not, but I'll make my position totally clear. | ||
| Let's get rid of these fucking networks. | ||
| There's no point in them. | ||
| Fuck you, Rupert Modrock! | ||
| Yeah, absolutely. | ||
|
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Murdoch. | |
| Anyway, he has worse things to say about Bannon. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And running around, we now know, the FBI fawning and agreeing with the Russia investigation in a hope to, I guess, sabotage the White House and have his cake and eat it, too. | ||
| You see, sociopaths and psychopaths or weak people that have been abused themselves and they go out and do it to others, they usually feel like they're owed something. | ||
| I find a lot of times that's really what it is. | ||
| I think Bannon's kind of one of those. | ||
| He wants to show everybody he's the big man. | ||
| He's the tough guy. | ||
| He's the leader. | ||
| He's in control. | ||
| And he's got to overthrow everybody around him so he can feel like he's big. | ||
| He's number one. | ||
| I agree with that. | ||
| That's not the case with Wolfie and Skelter and Clinton. | ||
| They know exactly what they're doing and they hate everybody around them. | ||
| Great. | ||
| Meh, see? | ||
| Meh. | ||
| Are we going to do a Jocelyn Elders impression? | ||
| I'm all in on that impression. | ||
| So, like, dude, that, like, your yelling projection is totally the case there. | ||
| Like, he's projecting his psychology into another person, even to the point of, like, I don't want to fucking... | ||
| Break the Goldwater rule? | ||
| I don't want to come down on Alex because I think he probably has some abuse in his history. | ||
| I don't feel like that's good to mock or anything like that. | ||
| But even by his own words, the idea that whether or not she actually did, he felt like his mom said he couldn't get love after the age of five or six. | ||
| Although we may have information that says she did not do that. | ||
| No, probably not. | ||
| But that doesn't change that that's how he felt. | ||
| And that doesn't change that it's emotionally real to him. | ||
| Right. | ||
| True. | ||
| True. | ||
| You're right about that. | ||
| The fact that 35 years later he's on the radio crying talking about that, that means that it's something real to him in some form or another. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| And to me that indicates that he did not have a great childhood. | ||
| Something went wrong. | ||
| But I'm not making fun of him for that. | ||
| But I am saying that look at what he's saying about Steve Bannon. | ||
| He's like... | ||
| You know, maybe he's just one of these guys who was abused and all this. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Pushing that off is weird. | ||
| And then after that, describing himself. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| That's troubling. | ||
| Immediately describing himself. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
|
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Yeah. | |
| Like, want to take down everyone around them to feel like the big man? | ||
| It's like, you've created a fake worldview to fight against. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Well, not just that, but look at the people that he has surrounded himself. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Everyone's gone. | ||
| Not currently, but everyone goes. | ||
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Everyone leaves. | |
| All the people that he has around himself currently are clearly people he can bully. | ||
| He can prove himself to be superior then. | ||
| Imagine if he hired... | ||
| Well, imagine if he hired somebody as competent as him. | ||
| They would be fired immediately. | ||
| It would be impossible, man. | ||
| There's no one as competent as him. | ||
| Alright, alright. | ||
| No, I get what you mean. | ||
| I don't mean competent, because competent is too strong a word. | ||
| Right. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| It bums me out. | ||
| It bums me out because the perspective that we have on him and the way he presents himself are so... | ||
| He's so inconsistent with himself. | ||
| It just makes me sad. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| It makes me bummed out. | ||
| It's an interesting thing to have... | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| If you're capable of empathy, you often wind up being capable of empathy with, not to use his language, but with the devil or that kind of a thing. | ||
| Sympathy for the devil? | ||
| That kind of... | ||
| How many times have you read the childhood of a serial killer and been like... | ||
| Oh, man, that must have been horrific. | ||
| Totally. | ||
| You have empathy for them. | ||
| At the same time, they need to be taken down. | ||
| Right. | ||
| You know? | ||
| Right. | ||
| Your behavior exceeds the empathy we have for you based on your circumstances. | ||
| And I think Alex is way past that. | ||
| Granted, he hasn't killed anybody or anything, but... | ||
| Has he? | ||
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Knock. | |
| Knock. | ||
| Not a person. | ||
| Poor knock. | ||
| Anyway, in this next clip, Alex Jones... | ||
| The only hero in Alex Jones' story is knock. | ||
| We miss him. | ||
| Hashtag RIP knock. | ||
| Alex Jones makes an assertion about the globalists. | ||
| Wish I hadn't said that either. | ||
| And so they want to ruin and wreck civilization and they are committed to doing it. | ||
| And they are committed to hurting you and your family. | ||
| Poisoning your food and water, watching your children be brain damaged while they strut around and watch and gloat and laugh. | ||
| None of these top leftists take vaccines. | ||
| None of them, none of them eat GMO. | ||
| None of them are into aspartame. | ||
| It's for the president to drink and die. | ||
| And it's for us to drink and die or your mother to drink and die. | ||
| While they all just sit back and laugh as they literally have that. | ||
| They always go, we're fallen and we're scum. | ||
| But when they walk around the shopping mall, they go, at least I'm hurting these people. | ||
| And how can I hurt somebody right now? | ||
| So, so, so hold on, hold on. | ||
| They still go to malls. | ||
| Sometimes Hillary will just go around to a shopping mall and just be like, well, at least I'm hurting these people. | ||
| I didn't. | ||
| I didn't win the presidency, but at least I'm hurting these people. | ||
| Interior. | ||
| Shopping mall. | ||
| November 9th. | ||
| Bill and Hillary enter. | ||
| Walk past a Wetzel's Pretzels. | ||
| Very depressed. | ||
| Very depressed. | ||
| Very sad. | ||
| Many people coming up to them, giving them accolades, wishing them well, and their next thought is, Bill. | ||
| Bill. | ||
| Dialogue. | ||
| No, Hillary. | ||
| Do you want a pretzel with cheese dip? | ||
| It'll make you feel better. | ||
| Hillary. | ||
| Dialogue. | ||
| Nah, I don't feel worthy of a pretzel right now. | ||
| I lost an election to Donald Trump. | ||
| Bill. | ||
| Now hold on. | ||
| Look around you. | ||
| Look to the left. | ||
| Look to the right. | ||
| You just saw two people that you hurt. | ||
| Keep your chin up, Hillary. | ||
| You're hurting these people and that's what matters. | ||
| I lost the impression. | ||
| Improv? | ||
| Improv? | ||
| Rough. | ||
| Dan, when you are writing scripts, you are gold, my friend. | ||
| You are gold. | ||
| So ridiculous. | ||
| Fucking idea is just crazy. | ||
| Like, I'll take solace in the fact that I'm hurting these people. | ||
| Alright. | ||
| Well, keep a chin up. | ||
| Also, statistically, that's not the case about people on the left taking vaccines. | ||
| No. | ||
| The largest percentage of people who don't take vaccines are on the right. | ||
| You find that within... | ||
| People who have, especially Tea Party-ish beliefs, much stronger distrust of vaccines. | ||
| The more you know about vaccines, the less likely you are to not take them. | ||
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I don't know if that's necessarily true. | |
| I find a lot of people on the left are also the people who... | ||
| Are very distrustful of vaccines, of GMOs, like that type of situation. | ||
| I think that's... | ||
| Well, GMOs are a different thing than vaccines. | ||
| Those are two completely different conversations. | ||
| But do you know what is the same as vaccines? | ||
| What's that? | ||
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Aspartame. | |
| Totally. | ||
| Diet Coke. | ||
| Same thing. | ||
| Well, you know what is the same through all of them, though? | ||
| They're all poisoning the well narratives. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| It's all boring anti-Semitism repackaged. | ||
| I really thought you were almost at fuck Larry Nichols. | ||
| No, no. | ||
| But also fuck Larry Nichols. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| So at this point, Alex, in that last clip, went off to commercial and he comes back and he's back on the stelter shit a little bit. | ||
| Helter stelter? | ||
| Helter stelter! | ||
| He makes this claim that is crazy. | ||
| This is so unsupported by anything. | ||
| I love it. | ||
| I'm excited for this clip. | ||
| This guy is a known charlatan. | ||
| It's simply insane. | ||
| Just like his son, Brian Stelter. | ||
| I'm saying a spiritual son, because if you find the two smiling in photos, they're trying to keep all those photos off the internet, seriously. | ||
| Like photos of Hillary smiling, they remove them. | ||
| Because she looks like a great white shark once about to attack and breach the surface. | ||
| So if I understand correctly, both Wolf and Stelter are attempting individually, because we do not have proof that they are related to each other. | ||
| Spiritually, they are. | ||
| You completely missed the point. | ||
| No, I think my point is... | ||
| Why are they trying to keep pictures of themselves off the internet? | ||
| You're missing pronoun reference. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| It is about the two of them, pictures of them being kept off the internet, but it's they who are doing it. | ||
| It's the globalists that are trying to keep the... | ||
| I thought it was both Stelter and Wolf who are constantly on Google, like, get that off there! | ||
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Get that off there! | |
| Also, do a Google image shirt. | ||
| You'll find plenty of pictures of him smiling. | ||
| So many pictures. | ||
| So many pictures. | ||
| It's complete horse shit. | ||
| But I love that idea. | ||
| Because he can say stuff and it just be like a toss aside or whatever. | ||
| But even in that case, he's like, seriously? | ||
| Seriously, I know that they're trying to keep pictures of them smiling off the internet. | ||
| Because it shows how evil they are. | ||
| It seems like a lot more work than is necessary. | ||
| Why? | ||
| How? | ||
| Would you try and keep pictures of yourself off the internet? | ||
| You wouldn't. | ||
| Don't they both have Facebook pages where they constantly update themselves with pictures? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And Alex in the past has said that he's tried to get a picture of himself off the internet. | ||
| There's a picture of him that he took for a magazine where he's like screaming at the camera. | ||
| Right. | ||
| I wish I had a clip of this just to have receipts and everything, but it seemed so unimportant to me when I was listening to episodes from like 2014 that I didn't capture a clip of it, but he's just like... | ||
| Nah, I wish I could get rid of that picture. | ||
| They told me it was going to be in the front. | ||
| It was on the back page. | ||
| Okay, that's your problem? | ||
| Weird. | ||
| Also, Stelter's your problem? | ||
| Yeah, that's crazy. | ||
| That's very strange. | ||
| But I think it's just because he has to deflect somehow. | ||
| Because he can't substantively talk about the wolf issue. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Like I said in that last couple clips back. | ||
| Also, great name for our new show, The Wolf Issue. | ||
| The Wolf Issue? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He shot on Bannon a couple clips back or whatever, but he's still not fully committed to being able to talk about why. | ||
| He's not ready to get into the meat of have we been betrayed by one of the biggest influences of the last... | ||
| By the fucking campaign manager and what? | ||
| Trump whisperer for the first year or for the first eight months of Trump's campaign? | ||
| Or Trump's office or Trump's presidency? | ||
| Well, but then also, I mean, who were the campaign managers? | ||
| There was Manafort, indicted. | ||
| Going to jail. | ||
| Roger Stone, Alex Jones' buddy. | ||
| Probably going to jail. | ||
| And then Bannon. | ||
| Theory. | ||
| Was Lewandowski a manager of the campaign or was he just like a... | ||
| He's just a weird dude. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| I thought he might have risen to that height. | ||
| He was in there. | ||
| He also apparently sexually assaulted Joy Via. | ||
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Did he? | |
| The woman who wore a Make America Great Again dress to the Grammys. | ||
| Really? | ||
| Who made a big scene out of it, and then she was a frequent guest on Alex Jones' show, talking about how bringing Trump into the musical world is going to be huge. | ||
| And Lewandowski sexually assaulted her? | ||
| Yeah, recently. | ||
| Like, at a party. | ||
| I don't think it was a New Year's Eve party. | ||
| I can't remember what it was, but she was at some big Trump party, and Lewandowski slapped her ass, and then was like, she was like, what? | ||
| And then he slapped her ass again, and apparently she's suing him. | ||
| Good for her. | ||
| Yeah, great for her. | ||
| Alex isn't talking about this. | ||
| I mean, not good for her that she was sexually assaulted, but good for her that she felt... | ||
| I mean, because fuck it. | ||
| As we just saw recently, one of the Roy Moore accusers, her house was burned down, and it is too early to speculate and say that it was by a Roy Moore supporter, but... | ||
| I mean, otherwise it's a wild coincidence. | ||
| Anyway, just so I have some validation here, this is from Politico. | ||
| Joy Villa, who drew headlines for wearing a Make America Great Again dress to the Grammys earlier this year, was celebrating the president's first year in office at a holiday party at the Trump International Hotel in Washington in late November when Lewandowski slapped her behind. | ||
| After she objected, he dismissed her concerns and slapped her behind again, Villa said in an interview Friday. | ||
| Via 31 said she was circulating in the ballroom of the invite-only party with a friend who brought her over to introduce her to Lewandowski, whom she had never met. | ||
| Her first impression, she said, was that he seemed dismissive of her, and he rolled his eyes when he thought she wanted to pose for a photo with him. | ||
| I said, if you're busy, don't worry about it. | ||
| We don't have to take a photo, telling Lewandowski, who remains close with the president and attended a contentious Oval Office meeting on political strategy earlier this week. | ||
| But via said another reveler pushed her toward him, and she ended up standing next to him posing for a photo. | ||
| Despite his seeming lack of interest. | ||
| I'm wearing a silver suit and stretchy pants. | ||
| And after the photo, he smacks my ass really hard, Via said. | ||
| It was completely demeaning and shocking. | ||
| In the moment, Via said, she confronted him. | ||
| I said, watch it. | ||
| Half joking. | ||
| I said, I can report you for sexual harassment. | ||
| Lewandowski's response, she said, was almost as shocking as the original slap. | ||
| He said, go ahead, I work in the private sector, Via recalled. | ||
| Then he smacks my ass again. | ||
| Via's recollection of the incident was corroborated by a friend who witnessed the exchange. | ||
| The friend said he wished to remain anonymous, in part because of Lewandowski's continued influence in Trump circles. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| So Alex won't talk about that. | ||
| He's willing to have her on when she's a propaganda tool wearing a MAGA dress, but he's not willing to treat her like a human. | ||
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Hey, maybe MAGA people take that to heart. | |
| You are valuable right up until the point where you are not, and you will be... | ||
| Whatever it is they feel like. | ||
| And this also calls into, like, memory of Lewandowski's assault on that reporter lady. | ||
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Yep. | |
| Back, I think it was during the campaign, if I recall correctly. | ||
| I can't remember the timeline of that exactly. | ||
| But if you watch the video of that, he absolutely grabs her, and it's pretty bad. | ||
| It's hard to imagine anybody in the Trump circle not being a monster. | ||
| I mean, in many different ways. | ||
| Like, even, look. | ||
| That's why none of this is humanizing for Bannon. | ||
| I get Pence probably hasn't sexually harassed outside of his marriage. | ||
| But he's a monster. | ||
| Unless you use Alex Jones' own logic about Jim Comey. | ||
| Oh, that's a good point. | ||
| You know, these guys who are uptight, they're the ones who are the most. | ||
| They're the ones you gotta worry about, yeah. | ||
| And if that's the case, then Mike Pence is the... | ||
| Fair enough. | ||
| He's an American psycho. | ||
| Mike Pence does seem to have all of the Dennis Hastert signals. | ||
| You know what I'm saying? | ||
| Like, he's got all of those characteristics. | ||
| I'm not saying he's ever done anything. | ||
| I'm definitely not accusing him of anything. | ||
| I'm just saying that the parallels between the way his positions have been laid forth, very Hesterdian. | ||
| I feel like he's more like that Foley. | ||
| Mick Foley? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| David Foley? | ||
| He got thrown off the hell in a cell. | ||
| No, who is that congressman, Foley? | ||
| Dave Foley? | ||
| No, the guy with the wide stance. | ||
| He was trying to surf for sex at a public bathroom. | ||
| Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| I know what you're talking about. | ||
| I can't remember his first name. | ||
| Yeah, I can't remember his first name at all. | ||
| It's more like that. | ||
| That's the vibe I get more from him. | ||
| Not abusing people, but just repressed with a secret. | ||
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| I'm not saying he's gay, necessarily, but a secret. | ||
| Some sort of secret. | ||
| He's got something there. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Not fully human and experienced. | ||
| Full-on conspiracy theory. | ||
| I like it. | ||
| I'm going to go out on a full-on limb here. | ||
| Great. | ||
| Stone is working with the FBI. | ||
| I mean, I don't think that's that crazy to think at this point. | ||
| I don't think it's that crazy. | ||
| I mean, two months ago we had that clip of him telling Alex straight up. | ||
| Trump is fucking with you. | ||
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Yeah! | |
| Like, Stone seems like the guy who, if I was the FBI, I would lean on Stone and Stone would be like, oh shit, yeah, I'm gonna toss everybody over. | ||
| I'm Stone, I don't give a fuck! | ||
| He's had a life of self-preservation. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| To an extent that he's been able to navigate being intimately involved with any number of scandalous impeached president, disgraced A lot of campaigns that did not work out, and he's still able to survive and have some sort of stock. | ||
| And I don't think you do that necessarily by playing clean. | ||
| Stone is much like Beyoncé in that he is a survivor, and he has a tattoo of Richard Nixon on his back. | ||
| Beyonce got that mix and tat. | ||
| Look, obviously I don't think that I'm going to co-sign your conspiracy theory, but if it does come out that he snitched or something like that, it would not surprise me at all. | ||
| It wouldn't surprise me at all, especially because he's the only person in the InfoWars milieu who gets it. | ||
| With this Bannon stuff, with this Wolf stuff, he's the only person who's been on the show who's been like, You could almost see him being on video being like, please stop. | ||
| Please don't do this. | ||
| Don't do this. | ||
| This is unraveling. | ||
| This is how you unravel is by giving credibility to this kind of a story. | ||
| You don't have to attack this. | ||
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He knows because he has decades of dirty trick experience. | |
| He's been doing the whole thing. | ||
| He's smarter than everyone else. | ||
| Is there a genuine possibility that Stone is the smartest person that has been around Trump so far? | ||
| He's the smartest person who's on Infowars, I think, for sure. | ||
| Well, yeah, but that's not a high bar to cross. | ||
| Now, the only problem, though, too, is that he has such a hair-trigger... | ||
| He has such an anger about him, which is not what a smart person would have. | ||
| That's true. | ||
| But at the same time, freaking out and calling women cunts on Twitter and stuff like that doesn't have the political ramifications of believing a creative nonfiction writer. | ||
| Inexplicably, it doesn't have the same connotations. | ||
| Well, historically, I mean, think about this. | ||
| Think about this. | ||
| Historically, over the last year or so, it's been pretty clear that Bannon and Roger Stone aren't working in parallel. | ||
| Right. | ||
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There have been a number of times where Roger Stone has attacked Bannon for various things, and the two of them don't see eye to eye on stuff. | |
| Yes. | ||
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Immediately after this story came out, when Roger was being interviewed on Infowars, his take on it was, "I know Michael Wolfe. | |
| This is nonsense." I mean... | ||
| You know, Bannon goes around wearing too many button-up shirts at the same time, and that's fucking stupid. | ||
| But look, we are co-workers. | ||
| We're colleagues. | ||
| I'm going to attack the enemies. | ||
| I'm not going to attack our allies. | ||
| And that is... | ||
| That's telling to me. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Because he knows that this could uncover something. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| And the only way it's gonna uncover anything is if the people... | ||
| We break ranks. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
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Yep. | |
| The people in the Alex Jones propaganda world, the people in Trump's... | ||
| Inner circle. | ||
| Save yourself kind of mentality world. | ||
| The bright parts, yes. | ||
| The only way things are gonna get bad is if they all start freaking out, and he's trying to keep it together, I think. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And Alex can't. | ||
| I don't think he can get it. | ||
| I think that he's going to lose it. | ||
| I don't think Stone is a mastermind by any stretch. | ||
| I think Stone has... | ||
| This isn't mastermind strategy. | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| I think Stone just knows how to hitch his wagon and when to unhitch his wagon. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And when, like, he knows how to turn a wagon. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Like, it's just very basic stuff. | ||
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Right. | |
| Very basic. | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| Anyway, in this next clip... | ||
| Weird tangent, but let's get on! | ||
| Alex Jones compares Donald Trump to a historical figure in a very interesting way. | ||
| And Trump will be known as a titan of liberty. | ||
| Someone that delivered. | ||
| Someone that was honorable. | ||
| And you all try to write the annals that he wasn't. | ||
| But just like the British history books said William Wallace was this and that and a thief and a piece of garbage and a coward. | ||
| Everybody knows in history now he wasn't a coward. | ||
| He was an honorable man. | ||
| Because everybody intrinsically knows everything you say is a pile of garbage. | ||
| You are the lie. | ||
| You want to talk about William Wallace a little bit? | ||
| Before I do, I'd like to say that pretty much nothing historically is known about William Wallace except for around 1297 to 1298. | ||
| That's pretty much the only period that's known about him. | ||
| Everything else comes from an epic poem called The Acts and Deeds of Sir William Wallace, Knights of Airdese, written around 1470 by Blind Harry the Minstrel. | ||
| Harry wrote from oral tradition. | ||
| Blind Harry the Minstrel? | ||
| Amazing information about him. | ||
| Could see perfectly. | ||
| Could not play the liar. | ||
| Interesting. | ||
| Interesting. | ||
| Really? | ||
| It was like a... | ||
| Blind Harry, fake news. | ||
| Fake news name. | ||
| It was like a really tall guy being named Tiny. | ||
| Anyway, he came up with this Acts and Deeds of Sir William Wallace 170 years after William Wallace lived. | ||
| And historians think that it's a very unauthoritative take on William Wallace. | ||
| But everybody knows that Beowulf was... | ||
| Most of the poem is clearly at variance with known historical facts and records of the period and is either fabricated using traditional chivalric motifs or borrowed from exploits of others and attributed to William Wallace. | ||
| The only things that we know about William Wallace are a couple of battles. | ||
| He was a British noble. | ||
| He's a Scottish dude who was a fucking... | ||
| He was angry. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He was angry. | ||
| There was unrest at the time, and the British were imposing a bunch of taxes that he didn't like on Scotland, and so he assassinated a dude. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And in the telling of Blind Harry, and then the movie with the great, great, not-anti-Semitic Mel Gibson... | ||
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Hold on. | |
| Hold on. | ||
| Reign it in. | ||
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Okay. | |
| In that movie, the story is told as this guy was trying to kill his wife and he saved his wife. | ||
| It was in response to that in some way. | ||
| There's no historical record that backs that up. | ||
| It was probably just about taxation, which actually triggers Alex even more than a wife. | ||
| And then the other thing is the Battle of Falkirk. | ||
| As far as I understand, the only thing that William Wallace is actually known to have done... | ||
| Is fight on a bridge. | ||
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Lose a battle. | |
| Is fight on a bridge while everybody's running away. | ||
| He lost a battle, the Battle of Falkirk, where he was very overly confident, and the British fucking destroyed him. | ||
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Yep. | |
| And granted, he escaped and was brutally murdered. | ||
| Brutally. | ||
| He wasn't good. | ||
| The execution that they gave him, there is historical record of that, and that is like... | ||
| That's nuts. | ||
| He was drawn and quartered, if I remember correctly. | ||
| Even more than that. | ||
| That's not even the extent of it. | ||
| They hung him, but not to kill him. | ||
| They hung him and then cut him down when he was about to go unconscious. | ||
| And then disemboweled him. | ||
| And they put his head on a spike. | ||
| Yeah, but that was standard. | ||
| For the time. | ||
| No, it's excessive. | ||
| The levels to, like, they kept almost killing him and then being like, no, we're going to kill you again. | ||
| It's weird to know how good people used to be at that. | ||
| They were great. | ||
| Yeah, they were really good at that. | ||
| Not good at doctors, diseases, but goddammit if they couldn't kill a guy. | ||
| Well, by like, I mean, you could assume that they could have fucked it up. | ||
| And accidentally killed him early in the torture that they were trying to do. | ||
| And they kind of... | ||
| And they got lucky and he didn't die before they had finished torturing him. | ||
| Well, now that said, it's entirely possible that he died after they hung him and they just kept doing it. | ||
| Like, at the time, they would often dig people up and put them on trial again. | ||
| It's my understanding that he was alive afterwards. | ||
| Like, as he was being disemboweled. | ||
| But be that as it may, that sort of... | ||
| I think there's only one way to know for sure. | ||
| Time machine? | ||
| No, we need to disembowel the guy and see if he can survive that long. | ||
| Gotta hang him first. | ||
| This, like, to me... | ||
| I nominate Stone! | ||
| This is the important piece. | ||
| That sort of capital punishment was excessive, even for the time. | ||
| And the fact that they would give that to someone means that this was not just a normal person who had failed in a battle or something like that. | ||
| It was someone who the British fucking hated. | ||
| And they hated him for some reason. | ||
| But unfortunately, the historical records that we have don't tell exactly what that was. | ||
| And there's no real reason to think he was a super honorable person. | ||
| Most of the accounts that come from that time are like, he's a brutal fucking dude. | ||
| Like, he would... | ||
| He would behave in ways like the British that killed him. | ||
| And that might actually explain why they did that to him. | ||
| I'm not entirely sure. | ||
| But Alex saying that history is borne out that he was an honorable person or blah, blah, blah. | ||
| Not true. | ||
| There's literally no way for him to know that. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Movie. | ||
| Right. | ||
| It's a movie. | ||
| Or if you want to give Alex a little more credibility. | ||
| Which you shouldn't. | ||
| Oral tradition from this guy who is the Michael Wolfe of his time. | ||
| Nice parallel. | ||
| Nicely done. | ||
| Way to slam dunk that. | ||
| Blind Harry is the fake news of his time. | ||
| That's right, because he could see. | ||
| And Alex Jones... | ||
| How else could he write it down? | ||
| Alex, I got news for you, baby. | ||
| We don't need history to determine how bad a dude Trump is. | ||
| That's happening concurrently. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| And everyone has already known that for a while. | ||
| Anyway, at this next clip, Alex Jones tries to make a metaphor and fails. | ||
| Losers! | ||
| Trash! | ||
| Filth! | ||
| I mean, I just cannot express to you enough that we have to really not hate these people, but you don't hate a rotting dead carcash of a hog or a horse or a deer over on the side of the highway, but you don't want to run up to it and wallow in it and kiss it and marry it or take it home and put it in the bed with you. | ||
| You don't take a dead, rotting horse with thousands of maggots on it and go stick it in your bed, you know, and curl up to it at night and love it and celebrate it. | ||
| You just stay away from it. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| But see, we can't stay away because these people run our lives because they crave it. | ||
| So, that's where the metaphor falls apart. | ||
| I mean, it was bad from the jump, but the metaphor is that the globalists are a dead carcass by the side of the road, and it's gross. | ||
| And they crave you grabbing them. | ||
| And bringing them to bed with you? | ||
| I guess. | ||
| So his advice, I guess, is that you shouldn't take a carcass to bed. | ||
| Don't sleep with a globalist. | ||
| Fine. | ||
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I don't think anyone kisses carcasses. | |
| I know that's metaphorical, but I guess what he's saying is don't... | ||
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Is it? | |
| I guess what he's saying is don't fuck a globalist. | ||
| I think what he's saying is he fucked a dead deer one time. | ||
| Simple enough not to fuck a globalist, I guess. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| It's these sorts of metaphors that leave way more questions than answers. | ||
| Because it's like, okay, okay, I get you. | ||
| You see a dead animal on the side of the road, leave it alone. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Bad. | ||
| Dead animal, bad. | ||
| I'm with you on that metaphor. | ||
| Yeah, leave it alone. | ||
| There's a State Department that's paid for through taxes and regulations that will clean that up eventually. | ||
| You leave it alone. | ||
| Well, not if Trump has his way. | ||
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Well... | |
| Alex is going to have to take that carcass home then. | ||
| But be that as it may... | ||
| There's nothing going to be left for him to fuck! | ||
| The issue to me comes to, like, where is the bridge? | ||
| Like, with a metaphor, a metaphor is only as good as the connection to reality. | ||
| I-90 West? | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Like, where is it? | ||
| Where is the connection to, like, the point that he's trying to make? | ||
| The point he's trying to make is that, like, globalists... | ||
| Wait, was he trying to make a point? | ||
| Well, it starts with him saying that... | ||
| These globalists, you shouldn't hate them, you should pity them. | ||
| Much like you pity an animal dead by the side of the road. | ||
| I suppose. | ||
| But then it pivots to the animal by the side of the road is dangerous in some way because it wants to take over your life. | ||
| So the animal is vaccines? | ||
| No, I don't know. | ||
| It's all still globalists, but I don't know. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
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I don't get it. | |
| I don't get it. | ||
| It's troubling. | ||
| Anyway. | ||
| Troubling? | ||
| If true. | ||
| We can leave that aside. | ||
| We got one more clip, Jordan. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| And in this next clip, Alex decides to get into hot topics. | ||
| Pop. | ||
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The... | |
| Pop hot topics. | ||
| Like the mall that Hillary goes to to say that she hurt somebody. | ||
| No, this is about a YouTube celebrity. | ||
| Oh, it's the guy who did the thing with the suicide guy. | ||
| Logan Paul. | ||
| Why are we doing this? | ||
| Well, actually, this is interesting, because my prediction was that Alex would be solely defending Logan Paul. | ||
| Oh, yeah? | ||
| I thought for sure. | ||
| Well, here's a couple things. | ||
| He's white. | ||
| He's a male. | ||
| That's a good start. | ||
| I thought for sure. | ||
| Full stop, that's why he would defend him. | ||
| Also, strictly speaking, I support Logan Paul making that video. | ||
| Interesting take. | ||
| But just based on free speech. | ||
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Okay. | |
| I think you should suffer all the consequences of doing it. | ||
| Good point. | ||
| But I don't think you should say, don't do it. | ||
| Fair. | ||
| It's incredibly disgraceful. | ||
| It indicates a lack of humanity on your part, but the idea of saying, don't do it, or like, we should stop you from making this video, or... | ||
| We should censor you. | ||
| Right. | ||
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Et cetera. | |
| That, to me, is like... | ||
| I mean, that falls right in line with Alex Jones' principles of defending free speech, and I thought for sure this is not someone he would think is evil or a target because he's a white male. | ||
| I thought for sure Alex would be like, everyone's trying to come down on Logan Paul, we gotta defend him. | ||
| Right. | ||
| He has a very different take. | ||
| I'm interested to hear what his take is. | ||
| Well, it's... | ||
| Is it standard? | ||
| No, it's... | ||
| It's chaos. | ||
| And then at the end, he gets to... | ||
| He gets back to globalists? | ||
| More or less. | ||
| He gets back... | ||
| He gets back to dead carcasses on the side of the road. | ||
| He betrays his own positions for a bit out of pettiness. | ||
| And then at the end of this clip that I'm about to play... | ||
| He slam dunks it. | ||
| No, he turns it into something really fucking weird. | ||
| Alright. | ||
| Logan Paul video. | ||
| YouTube users act fast to re-upload suicide farce video despite it being taken down. | ||
| And then YouTube doesn't take it down. | ||
| After it had tens of millions of views, he took it down and then does a sorry video. | ||
| And it's all a big joke. | ||
| And because it's nasty and it's not masculine and it's done in a little demonic, gremlin-like way. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| They leave it up. | ||
| But then... | ||
| All right. | ||
| We show... | ||
| Army troops saving children from a burning van, and they take it down because they don't want you to see army troops saving kids out of a van. | ||
| No idea what this is. | ||
| That's YouTube. | ||
| I don't know either, and I don't know the specifics of this, but if I had to guess, I would say that Alex Jones' video also had other pieces in it. | ||
| I would assume it wasn't just straight video of army troops saving kids. | ||
| I would say that there was probably... | ||
| Something that broke terms of service or something like that. | ||
| Because it takes a lot for YouTube to take something down. | ||
| It takes a great deal. | ||
| Or it takes you using a song that Disney doesn't want you to use. | ||
| Right, but you can do that if you don't have an audience. | ||
| But once you have enough people watching, then they'll start to be like, shut that down. | ||
| Like copyright claims. | ||
| Right, right. | ||
| DMCA! | ||
| Great bill. | ||
| Like, I mean, there's a... | ||
| There's a decent chance that someone who was in that video that Alex shot made a complaint or something like that and didn't want it up or something like that because they know the context of Alex Jones and Infowars. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| I don't know if that's the case, but that's a possible explanation for it. | ||
| But you see why he's kind of pissed off about it is that we have videos taken down. | ||
| They don't take this down. | ||
| What the fuck? | ||
| Right. | ||
| Which is not a free speech position. | ||
| It's not principled. | ||
| No. | ||
| I think it's a true... | ||
| Culture of little, weak, twisted people sitting there. | ||
| We've got them on video going, our main mission is to stop Alex Jones and people like him, and all we do is delist it so nobody can see it. | ||
| I mean, ours is. | ||
| And then we have it in Congress and everywhere saying, shut us down. | ||
| Why? | ||
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Because you can see what they are! | |
| They go hang out in Japan, it turns out, for weeks, waiting for somebody to go to this famous forest where a, it's kind of like a Romeo and Juliet story, where a young girl killed herself for love. | ||
| And then hundreds have gone there and hung themselves, killed themselves. | ||
| And so he goes and makes a big joke and makes fun of the dead body, disgracing some poor soul who took their own life. | ||
| And because it's so dishonorable, so twisted, so weak, so pathetic, so poisonous. | ||
| Give three more things. | ||
| So heartless, so soulless that if they can get young people to get off on somebody's misery and their rotting dead body and make fun of it. | ||
| And then make money off of it. | ||
| And do it while you're wearing a Yoda hat. | ||
| All of it perfectly done. | ||
| This is a sigh out, folks. | ||
| This is all staged. | ||
| To turn wisdom on its head, it's all archetype. | ||
| You think Yoda would go make fun of some dead body? | ||
| Again, that archetype? | ||
| This is what it's all about. | ||
| That's what it's all about. | ||
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Do you think, Dan, Yoda, do you think he would do this? | |
| No. | ||
| Dan, I need to ask you this question. | ||
| Deadly serious. | ||
| All right. | ||
| Do you think Yoda would do something like that? | ||
| I have a bracelet, WWYD, and I say no. | ||
| You don't think so? | ||
| I don't think so. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Yoda seems like a very charismatic figure. | ||
| He might do a lot of different things. | ||
| I know that Yoda spent a lot of time in Dagobah, just hanging out, right? | ||
| That's the swamp, right? | ||
| He did. | ||
| I'm not enough a nerd to know this, but I remember that. | ||
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Fuck you. | |
| Okay. | ||
| But he hung out in that swamp for a long time, just like sort of honing his skills and being in hiding, waiting for Luke to show up. | ||
| Uh-uh. | ||
| Was not honing his skills. | ||
| I'm sure he practiced a little. | ||
| No, he was in hiding. | ||
| But he was practicing along the way. | ||
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No, no. | |
| Fuck you. | ||
| After his defeat at the hands of the Emperor, Emperor Palpatine, Darth Sidious. | ||
| He then had to retreat and escape from that. | ||
| But do you think there's a fucking chance he was sitting around in that swamp and not practicing? | ||
| I'm assuming there was a shit ton of dead bodies in that swamp. | ||
| I bet he practiced a whole bunch with his lightsaber. | ||
| No, he did not. | ||
| He didn't have a lightsaber. | ||
| He did in the fucking prequels. | ||
| He did in the prequels, but he didn't have it in the Empire Strikes Back. | ||
| He just didn't need to show it. | ||
| What do you mean? | ||
| Real power doesn't need to be flexed. | ||
| Alright? | ||
| That's what I'm getting at. | ||
| Alright, you've sold me. | ||
| If he had a lightsaber at Dagobah, he would have actually fucking sparred with Luke, and he did not do that. | ||
| He just hung out on Luke's back. | ||
| He didn't think that Luke was worthy. | ||
| Look, here's the issue. | ||
| The issue is he had a lot of time on his hands. | ||
| That is the issue. | ||
| Just like Logan Paul! | ||
| He could have started a YouTube series if he wanted to. | ||
| True. | ||
| And he didn't, and that's how we know canonically he wouldn't do that. | ||
| So, based on the Star Wars canon... | ||
| Alex is correct. | ||
| Yoda would not do that. | ||
| That's true. | ||
| It is not a PSYOP. | ||
| This is not a PSYOP. | ||
| Here's my take. | ||
| Logan Paul's video is not a PSYOP, but that's the perfect Alex Jones thing to say. | ||
| That is the perfect Alex Jones thing to say. | ||
| What is that a PSYOP on? | ||
| This is the longest pause in the show's history. | ||
| I have no idea. | ||
| What would the PSYOP be? | ||
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Hold on. | |
| Let me scroll it back. | ||
| I think he explains it a little bit. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| And then make money off of it. | ||
| And do it while you're wearing a Yoda hat. | ||
| All of it perfectly done. | ||
| This is a sigh out, folks. | ||
| This is all staged. | ||
| To turn wisdom on its head, it's all archetypal. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| You think Yoda would go make fun of some dead body? | ||
| Again, that archetype? | ||
| This is what it's all about. | ||
| Okay, I know 100% what he's talking about now, but go ahead. | ||
| No, no, no, you go first. | ||
| Alex is pretending that Logan Paul wearing a Yoda cartoony hat is some sort of a symbol that is to be a cue to the initiated of what's going on here. | ||
| Have you read that blog? | ||
| There's a blog called Vigilant Citizen. | ||
| The answer before you even ask that question is no. | ||
| There's a blog called Vigilant Citizen, and it's one of the biggest examples of this. | ||
| There's like... | ||
| They believe that symbology runs the world. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And so, like, everyone, all the celebrities are covered in one eye. | ||
| I know the name of the rose. | ||
| Ah! | ||
| The name of the Yoda. | ||
| Would the rose do this? | ||
| No. | ||
| But, like, celebrities putting one hand over their eyes. | ||
| Actually, that's a mystery. | ||
| Anyways, keep going. | ||
| Well, like that, for one example, the Eye of Horus or the blocking one of your eyes is a symbol of initiation into the Illuminati and that sort of thing. | ||
| Everybody knows that. | ||
| And whenever you see checkerboard floors in a movie, that's a cue to the initiated that, like, this is a meaningful scene. | ||
| Yeah, all that stuff. | ||
| And so I think that what Alex is trying to get at without having to spell it out, because he knows his audience goes, That's the part I don't understand. | ||
| Well, no, if I understand correctly, in regards to the turn wisdom on its head... | ||
| You've got Yoda as a hat. | ||
| Symbol of wisdom, hats. | ||
| Next to dead body being worn by an asshole. | ||
| And so you're turning wisdom on its head because Yoda... | ||
| I gotta be honest, I already don't follow what you're saying. | ||
| No, okay, alright. | ||
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You were just saying elements of things. | |
| I don't get it. | ||
| Okay, so you got an asshole. | ||
| Logan. | ||
| He's wearing a Yoda hat. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| And then he goes and mocks a dead body. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| This is one story, like so many other stories, where I went, nah, fuck this. | ||
| I don't give a shit. | ||
| Everybody can die. | ||
| Yeah, as soon as I saw it, I was like, hard pass. | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| But also, at the same time, I saw this as a story, and I was like, everybody should die. | ||
| I saw this, and I was like... | ||
| I don't know why anyone's surprised by this. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Like, the escalation of people who need attention on YouTube is... | ||
| I mean, there's a finite way that you can shock people. | ||
| PewDiePie has already come out and done Nazi shit. | ||
| What are you going to do? | ||
| Show a dead body. | ||
| And then at the same time, Rob Hubel has that YouTube red show, Do You Want to See a Dead Body? | ||
| Which is great. | ||
| Where it's just fake. | ||
| It's very funny. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And there's no reason to think that people wouldn't, like... | ||
| People who are exploitative wouldn't take that to the next level. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| The suicide forest in Japan, I can't remember the name of it because I don't remember Japanese words, but, like, that's a real place where you can be definitely, you guarantee you'll see a dead body if you go in there. | ||
| Weird. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, I've read a bunch of stuff about it since, and it's like, yeah, there's no... | ||
| Suicide culture in Japan is a whole different thing. | ||
| It's wild. | ||
| But, like, there's no situation wherein he could have embarked on this without thinking he would find a dead body. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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So, like, the idea of, like, oh, it's an accident or it's unplanned is nonsense. | |
| But we don't need to unpack that. | ||
| It's about what Alex is saying. | ||
| Here's my point. | ||
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My point is this. | |
| The Yoda hat is the symbol of wisdom. | ||
| They're turning on its head. | ||
| By going into a clearly exploitative place and having an asshole see a dead body and do whatever he did. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So Yoda, our symbol of wisdom, is then associated with the asshole doing whatever he did. | ||
| And thus, you see that symbol of wisdom and go, well, wisdom would do this, and so it destroys wisdom for you. | ||
| In that case, go with an owl. | ||
| Like, I mean, go with a more classical symbol. | ||
| Why would you go with a classical symbol? | ||
| You're trying to reach the millennials, man! | ||
| You're trying to reach the kids! | ||
| Because they fucking use the eye of Horus! | ||
| I don't know! | ||
| That's not something millennials are going to vibe with? | ||
| I didn't see the video because... | ||
| Egyptology? | ||
| I didn't see the video because the headline I saw was YouTube star and then I lit my phone on fire. | ||
| Right, right. | ||
| Like, I was done. | ||
| I think it's fascinating that Alex... | ||
| I mean... | ||
| It's clear that his complaints come from pettiness. | ||
| They censored my video. | ||
| Why does he get more views? | ||
| Why does he get away with it and I don't? | ||
| That certainly is in play. | ||
| I think the issue for Alex was, why isn't the symbol of wisdom an Alex Jones hat? | ||
| God damn, we've got to make some Alex Jones hats. | ||
| Oh, I would wear an Alex Jones hat. | ||
| Just a hat. | ||
| Of Alex Jones with his mouth right here and then his... | ||
| Okay. | ||
| And you pull on a little cord and it screams at people? | ||
| Yep. | ||
| Like one of those cards where you open it and it goes, I love you! | ||
| Like that kind of... | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| The glow bloods are coming! | ||
| Now I want an Alex Jones doll! | ||
| If we had endless resources, the things we could make. | ||
| The bad ideas we could make reality. | ||
| Be that as it may, I'm... | ||
| Fucking flummoxed by everything that Alex Jones is doing. | ||
| Because he should be supporting Logan Paul based on his philosophies. | ||
| There's nothing that he did that breaches free speech. | ||
| He was in Japan. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Which is already, you're on board. | ||
| He doesn't give a shit. | ||
| He doesn't give a shit about that person who died in that forest. | ||
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Of course. | |
| He doesn't care at all. | ||
| He exploits people who have died for rhetorical points all the time. | ||
| Huge fan. | ||
| He did it earlier with Breitbart. | ||
| He's a huge fan of people who died. | ||
| Yeah, he said that Steve Bannon came in with a bunch of money and disgraced Breitbart's reputation. | ||
| Right. | ||
| I mean, he's using Breitbart as a tool. | ||
| Which makes perfect sense. | ||
| He's using Andrew Breitbart as a prop in his attack of Bannon. | ||
| So he doesn't care about people who have died and all that shit. | ||
| Right. | ||
| I don't think necessarily that there's any law against videotaping a dead body. | ||
| I mean, I don't know. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Obviously there's not. | ||
| Basis of death exists. | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| So obviously that's not the case. | ||
| I mean, there's always going to be a fascination with dead bodies. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| With really fucked up people. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Not necessarily even fucked up people. | ||
| Just like... | ||
| There's a weird... | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I've never felt that way. | ||
| Dude, somebody when I was in high school was like, let's watch Faces of Death. | ||
| And I was like, let's turn you into one of those Faces of Death. | ||
| I don't want to see this. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| This is gross and wrong. | ||
| Which is not to take some sort of high ground. | ||
| It's just like, fuck you. | ||
| I don't need that shit in my life. | ||
| No, I had friends who would watch stuff like that and I'd go to the other room. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Like, I'd just be like, nope. | ||
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No, no, no, no. | |
| Yeah, that's a big no. | ||
| Hard pass. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But your argument that there is a fascination with some, I would argue they're fucked up. | ||
| But yeah, sure. | ||
| There are people who watch this beheading videos and stuff. | ||
| I mean, when you... | ||
| But look, that's irrelevant. | ||
| If you get into one of the most popular podcasts now is My Favorite Murder and all they do is talk about serial killers. | ||
| But that's the minutia of it and the psychology. | ||
| That's different than... | ||
| Actually watching dead bodies. | ||
| Or actually watching people die. | ||
| Wallowing in the actual death of it is different than the circumstances that surround it, the clues, the psychology. | ||
| I think that's very different. | ||
| I just don't think it's a pathology. | ||
| I don't think it's some sort of... | ||
| If Logan Paul, instead of wandering into a dead body and then sort of laughing and clowning a little bit, had off-camera found a dead body... | ||
| And then staged the whole thing. | ||
| Or, no, no, respectfully sort of discussed the experience of it, and then also was like, there was a note by it, because a lot of people who kill themselves in that forest leave notes. | ||
| Call Larry Nichols. | ||
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Right. | |
| But, like, there is a way that he could have done it in a My Favorite Murder style or a serial style that would have been much more tasteful. | ||
| It still would be disrespectful to the person who died because they didn't consent to be a part of his stunt or whatever. | ||
| But it wouldn't be as ugly. | ||
| To clarify that position, I think it wouldn't be respectful to the people who cared about the person who died. | ||
| The moment you die... | ||
| You don't give a... | ||
| You don't exist, so go fuck yourself. | ||
| I'm not clear I agree with you on that, but it's not worth arguing. | ||
| Yes, it's absolutely not worth arguing. | ||
| I think that your rights do extend after death to an extent. | ||
| Disagree. | ||
| Not worth arguing. | ||
| I'm going to desecrate your fucking corpse. | ||
| Please do! | ||
| All right. | ||
| Well, see, there, that already is consent. | ||
| See, now that's... | ||
| See, that's different. | ||
| Now I don't care. | ||
| Now you don't care? | ||
| Now you won't desecrate my corpse. | ||
| I still might. | ||
| No, but like... | ||
| The issue... | ||
| I mean, there's a lot of issues. | ||
| And a lot of them are really salient about the idea of going and doing this indicates so much more about who you are. | ||
| And that's a problem. | ||
| But I don't think... | ||
| I don't think it's necessarily YouTube's place or anyone in charge's place to say, I will censor this. | ||
| And I'm 90% on that side. | ||
| I'm also 100% certain that's Alex's side. | ||
| I'd actually want to take myself down to about 70%. | ||
| Because I do think that grace comes into it. | ||
| I think that... | ||
| I don't think that governing bodies should be able to tell you what you can and can't say, but I think we need to be much more active punishing people for stuff that is distasteful. | ||
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Not distasteful, but wrong. | |
| Like, there's a difference. | ||
| I think I would circle back to... | ||
| It's the difference between conservatism and Nazism. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Both are distasteful. | ||
| One is wrong. | ||
| Which one? | ||
| Fuck you. | ||
| I think we always wind up going back to... | ||
| In this particular circumstance, I think I start from the place of, as we've discussed before with our friend, being rich is a morally questionable decision. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| And societies that allow strict wealth are doing... | ||
| I think I would start all the way back there and say being a YouTube star is a morally questionable decision. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| Well, but it's not a decision. | ||
| I mean, it's a decision that he made as a child and his parents sort of reinforced in it. | ||
| It went to... | ||
| And actually... | ||
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See, but then I get back to why the fuck do we care? | |
| Like, I hope he dies. | ||
| I don't give a fuck about this Logan Paul motherfucker. | ||
| Interestingly, we can stop here, but... | ||
| Our friend, who, I mean, we all agree with this sentiment, but she just summed it up so perfectly. | ||
| Perfectly. | ||
| Being wealthy is a morally suspicious choice. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Great tweet from Katie McVeigh. | ||
| All of the words are perfect, too. | ||
| Katie nailed it. | ||
| Look her up on Twitter, because she wrote a very, very salient and concise essay about Logan Paul and about what he embodies. | ||
| And there is a lot of that white... | ||
| That white male privilege that wouldn't think for a second that this is wrong to do. | ||
| She impacts a lot of those ideas much more saliently than we can do. | ||
| Very talented and great person. | ||
| Let's jump off this and just say it's fucked up that Alex Jones doesn't support him because it's right in his support base. | ||
| Yes, it's out of character. | ||
| And I think that's just... | ||
| I don't know why that is. | ||
| I can't figure out. | ||
| But then even beyond that... | ||
| I think pettiness. | ||
| Once again, we get back to why is it that Logan Paul seems to get more views than he does? | ||
| That's where we get back to. | ||
| We're entrapped in a cycle, and let's kick out of it. | ||
| Just to say that Alex Jones' rant about Brian Stalter, of course, is stupid, but at the same time, wild. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Makes no sense. | ||
| Insane, but boring. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| A lot of these other things... | ||
| Trump being like William Wallace. | ||
| I mean, that's... | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| What else we got? | ||
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I don't know. | |
| Wolf. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I think we've ended in the same place we started. | ||
| Oh, man! | ||
| May the wolf eat your flesh. | ||
| I don't think we learned anything. | ||
| I think that's where we got back to. | ||
| Anyway, it's time for us to wrap this up, so please go to knowledgefight.com. | ||
| That is our website. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| If you would like to, there's a banner that says click support the show. | ||
| You can do that. | ||
| If we get to, what is it, $72 more for this month? | ||
| I believe so, yeah. | ||
| We will do a thing that will hurt both of us immensely. | ||
| Mostly me. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| You can follow us on Twitter at knowledge underscore fight. | ||
| You can go to Facebook. | ||
| Oh, you did it this time. | ||
| Now I'm back in. | ||
| 2018, I'm in! | ||
| We're on iTunes, and then shortly, once I get around to it, we'll be on some other platforms. | ||
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Right, right, right. | |
| From what we've heard, not everybody can find us through iTunes and so on. | ||
| Yeah, I feel bad about that, but at the same time, I'm busy. | ||
| It's hard. | ||
| Life's hard. | ||
| Are you? | ||
| And then, oh, since we can't... | ||
| Since we can't do that fuckface, who are we mad at today? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| It's tough to figure out who today's pile of garbage is. | ||
| Pile of shit. | ||
| I'm scrolling through Twitter to see who people are angry at. | ||
| Oh, no. | ||
| We can't allow other people to be angry at us. | ||
| Yeah, let's not allow that input to come in. | ||
| I feel like... | ||
| You know what? | ||
| I want to say Michael Wolff. | ||
| You want to say Michael Wolff? | ||
| He's unleashed so much shit. | ||
| You know what? | ||
| I don't disagree with you. | ||
| All right. | ||
| Michael Wolff, you're a pile of shit. | ||
| Andy in Kansas, you're on the air. | ||
| Thanks for holding. | ||
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Hello, Alex. | |
| I'm a first-time caller. | ||
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I'm a huge fan. | |
| I love your work. |