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#117: January 8, 2018

Today, Dan tells Jordan all about what happened on the Jan. 8, 2018 episode of The Alex Jones Show. The gents deal with some of the world's worst analysis of an Oprah speech, Alex pretending that his rant about Brian Stelter was "satire," and much more.

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alex jones
19:59
d
dan friesen
57:29
j
jordan holmes
28:20
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oprah winfrey
02:25
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pastor david manning
00:02
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Speaker Time Text
alex jones
Andy in Kansas, you're on the air.
Thanks for holding.
unidentified
Hello, Alex.
jordan holmes
I'm a first-time caller.
unidentified
I'm a huge fan.
I love your work.
alex jones
I love you.
dan friesen
Hey, everybody.
Welcome back to Knowledge Fight.
I'm Dan.
jordan holmes
I'm Jordan.
dan friesen
We're a couple dudes like to sit around, drink novelty beverages, and talk a little bit about Alex Jones.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's pretty much what we do.
Tonight we're drinking Mystic.
dan friesen
You have some complaints right off the bat.
jordan holmes
Which I discovered has 64 goddamn grams of sugar in it, and it's like 5 ounces.
It's concentrated sugar water.
dan friesen
It's pretty ridiculous right out of the gate.
jordan holmes
Right, so I have cut it with regular water.
dan friesen
You have, you've made a little bit of a mixed beverage for yourself.
jordan holmes
Made a little cocktail of sugar water for myself.
dan friesen
Indeed.
So this is a show where I know a lot about Alice Jones.
jordan holmes
It's gonna attract beef.
dan friesen
This is a show where we talk about things that will attract bees and Alex Jones and novelty beverages.
I know a lot about him.
I don't know anything about him.
So today I'd like to start the show off by telling you that we're going to be going over the January 8th, 2018 episode today.
The Monday episode.
A lot of weird stuff going on.
A lot of craziness on today's episode.
A lot of lies.
jordan holmes
Well that was to be expected.
dan friesen
A lot of, like, sort of my feelings about shit being borne out into real life.
unidentified
All right.
dan friesen
But before we get going, I'd like to make a public apology to the Mooch, our listener, the Mooch.
Oh, buddy?
jordan holmes
Not Scaramucci.
I feel like we're never going to apologize to him.
dan friesen
I was a guest on his podcast, Creepy Critters, about cryptids.
We talked about the New Jersey devil, and I have not done a good job of promoting that in any way.
I completely forgot, and I'm a shithead.
I'm sorry.
But everyone should go check it out.
It's a great time.
A lot of fun, even though I hate cryptids, generally speaking.
It's a running bit.
jordan holmes
Not a cryptozoologist?
dan friesen
It's a running bit of me.
That I hate cryptids.
I refuse to talk about it on my conspiracy theory podcast that I used to have, but just check it out.
It's super fun.
jordan holmes
I did a show with Bobcat Goldthwait.
dan friesen
Bobcat?
That's a cryptid.
jordan holmes
Well, no, it's not.
That's a regular old animal.
But no, he's super into Bigfoot.
dan friesen
He should have had Jason Earl Folks open for him.
jordan holmes
He did a History Channel reality TV show where he...
Search for Bigfoot.
And he was still talking about Bigfoot.
dan friesen
Awesome.
jordan holmes
Many years later.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
He's a fun guy.
dan friesen
Speaking of fun guys, listen, here's some other fun guys.
I'd like to give a shout out to some new policy wonks.
jordan holmes
Are we doing some policy wonks?
dan friesen
Indeed.
I'd like to give a shout out to our new donor, Blake.
What's going on out there?
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
dan friesen
Thank you so much for joining up.
jordan holmes
Hey, Blake.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
If you are the Blake I knew in high school, I'm afraid I can't allow you to donate.
I need you to stop listening to the podcast.
dan friesen
I don't think it's your Blake friend or not friend.
I'm not sure.
But also, we have to give another shout-out to someone who's super awesome.
jordan holmes
If this one is the Blake I knew from high school, then we're even worse.
dan friesen
Already a globalist.
unidentified
Okay.
jordan holmes
Oh, shit!
dan friesen
Already a globalist?
And so now, I have to create a completely new designation for someone who's so supportive and we really appreciate it.
jordan holmes
Well, I mean, obviously, it's pedophile globalist.
unidentified
Nope.
jordan holmes
No, no, no, no.
We're not doing that one.
dan friesen
We're not going that direction.
unidentified
Oh, okay.
All right.
dan friesen
We're going with technocrat.
jordan holmes
Oh, shit!
Love it.
dan friesen
So, Maria, thank you so much.
You are officially a technocrat.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Four stars.
unidentified
Go home to your mother and tell her you're brilliant.
pastor david manning
Someone sodomite sent me a bucket of poop.
alex jones
Daddy Shark.
Jar Jar Binks has a Caribbean black accent.
unidentified
He's a loser little titty baby.
alex jones
I don't want to hate black people.
I renounce Jesus Christ.
dan friesen
So thank you so much, Maria.
I very...
jordan holmes
I want that to play at my funeral.
I need you to know that.
dan friesen
It might.
jordan holmes
That's going on my tombstone.
All of that.
dan friesen
I almost lost my mind just adding other things to that.
I could have done that for an hour.
Just adding in nonsense.
But thank you so much.
We really appreciate it.
And everybody out there who supports the show, we appreciate you.
If you would like to support the show, you can go to knowledgefight.com, click the support the show button, and become a policy wonk of various levels.
jordan holmes
Please do.
Frankly, I've never been happier.
Thank you so much, Technocrat.
dan friesen
Indeed.
jordan holmes
I want...
A million technocrats now.
dan friesen
So, Jordan, on yesterday's show, when we went over the 5th, we talked a little bit about Alex Jones' weird rant about Brian Stelter and Michael Wolff.
unidentified
Delightful.
dan friesen
Talked about him being a literal demon and what have you.
And we'll get back to that today because there's a little bit of a blowback from Alex.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
About Brian Stelter?
dan friesen
A little bit.
And we'll get to that over the course of the show.
unidentified
Quick question.
dan friesen
Yes.
jordan holmes
Has Stelter made a comment?
dan friesen
Yeah.
He said, thanks for using a good picture of me.
unidentified
Oh!
jordan holmes
Solid.
Solid.
Solid neg.
dan friesen
He gets what's going on and isn't engaging with it in any meaningful way, which I appreciate.
unidentified
I get it.
dan friesen
I'm a little disappointed.
jordan holmes
I would have loved to get into a stelter Jones fight.
dan friesen
Oh, a beef?
alex jones
A wrap beef?
jordan holmes
Oh, yes.
unidentified
That'd be great.
dan friesen
Dropping hot bars at each other.
jordan holmes
That'd be amazing.
dan friesen
But we'll get to that as we get to it, but we have to take Alex as the show goes.
And so here we open up the show, and the bee that's in Alex Jones' bonnet.
The bee that would be very much attracted to this mystic.
That bee is known by the name of Oprah Winfrey.
alex jones
Oprah Winfrey gave a speech last night.
jordan holmes
Yep.
alex jones
And she pledged to empower women to stand against the great evil of Trump.
When everything she does worldwide is about getting women to sign on to the UN to be disempowered and to be sterilized.
She is the heart of the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation.
It's even linked on Infowars.com to mainstream news articles, but that are in the Wayback Machine and the Archive Machine because they've tried to expunge them, where she goes to elite meetings with Bill Gates, David Rockefeller before he died, Ted Turner, all of them, to discuss how she's the front for women to get rid of husbands and to become wards of the state and become sterilized.
And she's running a worldwide church with a tax-free foundation she's got to brainwash children in the third world.
She's got a new movie coming out as a vehicle.
But don't worry, just like Google says, don't be evil.
And when they're pure evil, they're called the good club.
And population's their goal.
Billionaires try to shrink world population, report says.
And it leaked out of the Rockefeller meeting at the Einstein University.
And it's all how...
And it's just totally sick.
Oprah Winfrey is an absolute anti-human Nazi troll.
dan friesen
So, do you want to try and guess what the truth behind that is?
unidentified
Uh...
jordan holmes
First off...
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
What's her new movie coming out?
dan friesen
I don't know.
I don't care.
I don't care at all.
I'm sure it'll be something interesting, but I don't particularly keep up too much with movies.
jordan holmes
So, Oprah.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
If I'm going to understand this correctly.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
Oprah.
dan friesen
The one Oprah, yes.
jordan holmes
Is the front for the women's sterilization movement.
dan friesen
Yes.
And she's creating a church of one world government or something along those lines.
This all just goes back to...
jordan holmes
Has Oprah ever even said anything about the UN?
Ever.
dan friesen
Yeah, I bet she has.
But what he's talking about, what he's responding to...
jordan holmes
You get a UN!
Alright, I'm done with that bit.
dan friesen
What he's responding to is that she's been a part of contraception efforts around the world and stuff like that.
unidentified
Right, right, right.
dan friesen
Talking about limiting the population, but not in terms of killing people.
jordan holmes
More in terms of being able to control your own life.
dan friesen
Right, right.
Those sorts of things.
jordan holmes
Because she's Oprah.
dan friesen
Right, and that's the stuff that he talks about with Ted Turner's evil.
Ted Turner probably is evil, but in a different way.
jordan holmes
Yeah, almost certainly.
He's crazy, at the very least.
dan friesen
Yeah, absolutely.
jordan holmes
As we've proven.
dan friesen
But the times that Alex brings up that he is into this depopulation stuff, if you really go and look at his actual quotes, what he's talking about is...
It would be good for the population to be lower than it is, especially in resource-deprived environments.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
But I would never advocate for killing people.
jordan holmes
He did say it in a very fun way, though.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
A way that could very easily be misinterpreted as an insane, weird old man who owned the Atlanta Braves for a while.
dan friesen
He carved the quote into a buffalo.
Yeah, exactly.
And then had Sting, the wrestler Sting, come out with it because he owned WCW for a bit.
jordan holmes
So, Oprah.
dan friesen
Right.
Oh, we're going to talk Oprah a lot.
jordan holmes
We're going to talk Oprah a lot.
dan friesen
Oh, yeah.
Oh, yeah.
Alex believes that the Bill and Melinda Gates organization is super evil and that she's involved with them trying to kill off the third world.
jordan holmes
Right, but she's Oprah.
dan friesen
Doesn't really mesh with his narrative of the globalists that he said that we listened to the other day where he was talking about the triple cross narrative that he had.
jordan holmes
Yeah, which was a delight.
dan friesen
Because this just seems to straight up be targeting the third world in his concern.
I don't really understand.
jordan holmes
But it's Oprah.
I don't think there's any negative thing about Oprah that I've...
Whatever it is you want to say about Oprah.
I don't think anybody's ever been like...
dan friesen
Kind of sanctimonious.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
A little bit of a blowhard, maybe?
unidentified
I don't know.
jordan holmes
I don't even know if that's true.
That's as far as you can go, right?
I don't know.
dan friesen
I thought her magazine sucked.
jordan holmes
She's never been shitting on The View, at least.
There's a lot of...
I don't know what to tell you.
She's Oprah.
dan friesen
There's no video of her screaming at Piers Morgan.
jordan holmes
Yeah, although that would be a delight.
dan friesen
That would be fun.
jordan holmes
Is she still married to that one dude?
Or did he die?
unidentified
I don't know.
jordan holmes
Is she married to Gail now?
dan friesen
I don't know.
jordan holmes
Is Gail a thing?
dan friesen
I don't know.
jordan holmes
I think I remember that reference from the 90s from SNL.
dan friesen
Yeah.
I don't know.
I don't care about her personal life, quite frankly.
It's not my business.
jordan holmes
I don't know.
I think that's a very important thing.
We're vetting her to become president now, so I think that's good.
dan friesen
See, now that's the thing.
jordan holmes
That's where we're going, right?
dan friesen
That's the thing.
jordan holmes
I assume that's where we're going.
dan friesen
Alex thinks that she's legitimately running for president.
And he thinks that everyone is like, she's gotta run.
And it's the same thing.
That's the thing that people do a lot.
I mean, they did this with The Rock.
And to be fair, The Rock fucking...
He fed into it a lot more than Oprah is.
But it's just...
I think it was...
Wasn't it Meryl Streep last night said something like, she's just drafted herself to run for president?
unidentified
Like, fuck off!
Who cares?
jordan holmes
Don't care about the Golden Globes.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
I saw the news about Oprah.
They were like...
Could Oprah run for president?
And I was like, you guys are bored.
You guys are sick of calling Trump a monster.
So you're just like, maybe Oprah.
I've got nothing else to write about today.
dan friesen
Right.
And let me be clear.
I don't have a negative opinion of Oprah.
Because you can't.
I don't dislike her at all.
But I don't think that she is some sort of evil...
I think she's evil in as much as she seems to make a lot of money.
jordan holmes
Morally questionable decision?
dan friesen
Well, yeah.
I mean, there's that.
I don't know what I feel about that.
But she also does seem to give back a lot.
She seems to be very full of positive messages.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right.
dan friesen
So, I don't know.
Anyway.
jordan holmes
Call me when she's done time for insider trading.
unidentified
Get him.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Anyway, Alex Jones does think that she's running for office, and he thinks that there's something nefarious behind it, and it's the aforementioned Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation.
alex jones
Good God!
Oprah Winfrey will never be president!
She sticks her tongue in Weinstein's ear!
jordan holmes
Disagree.
alex jones
In public, and then tells us that she stands for women.
She is a globalist toolbag of Bill and Melinda Gates.
Oh, by the way, I really started peeking on Bill and Melinda Gates about six years ago, and I got real clear messages from them.
And then Melinda even gave a speech and said, if you don't stop, people saying that we're trying to hurt people, if you don't stop, a lot of people are going to die.
And then I got absolutely clear messages that you will shut up about us.
Well, I didn't shut up, did I?
And I can't shut up, because now you've deployed Oprah against us.
dan friesen
Okay.
All right.
jordan holmes
Alright.
dan friesen
That's nonsense.
jordan holmes
Now I just have a...
An image of an army of Oprahs.
unidentified
Right.
jordan holmes
Like, it's time to deploy the Oprahs.
dan friesen
And he says, Ofra.
Ofra Winfrey.
jordan holmes
Ofra Winfrey.
Deploy Ofra Winfrey.
dan friesen
So, I mean, that thing about Melinda Gates, she was talking about if people don't stop lying about vaccines, there's going to be a human toll from it.
jordan holmes
Right.
But Alex took that personally.
dan friesen
He thinks that she's speaking to him through a television set.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Which is a classic hallmark of a crazy person.
And he's like, I got clear messages that I needed to share.
I didn't shut up about them, and I didn't shut up.
jordan holmes
He didn't.
Nobody stopped him.
dan friesen
He never shuts up.
jordan holmes
Maybe what he should have said, when he said, I can't shut up about them, he should have qualified that with, like...
No, seriously.
I can't.
Somebody please help me.
dan friesen
Please.
Somebody.
jordan holmes
This is a cry for help.
dan friesen
I need a shut up pill or something.
jordan holmes
I can't stop talking about them.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So that's a load of hot garbage.
And in this next clip, Alex Jones has some advice for The Rock.
jordan holmes
All right.
If we see a Rock Oprah primary, I'm going to be...
Very happy.
dan friesen
And also, I'm going to kill myself.
That is possible based on something that Alex brings up in this clip.
alex jones
Great.
But let me tell you something right now.
jordan holmes
Do it.
alex jones
If Dwayne Johnson wants to get elected president, I like the fact that he's supposedly a Republican, more of a conservative, doesn't have a chip on his shoulder, very charming guy.
I like him.
I don't like anybody in Hollywood, but I can get fooled by his charm.
Maybe I'm being fooled, maybe I'm not.
But man, stop hanging around with that mausoleum of scum.
Do you understand?
America, Dwayne, is sick of Hollywood.
We are tired of it like poison.
We're vomiting up out of us.
dan friesen
Great.
jordan holmes
I mean, he is the number one movie this weekend.
dan friesen
He's the number one actor in Hollywood.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I don't know what you...
dan friesen
America's sick of Hollywood, but you, you're great.
jordan holmes
Hold on.
I wonder if there's a substantive difference between The Rock and Oprah.
dan friesen
Hold on.
We'll get to it in a second.
jordan holmes
Can you think of a difference between the two?
dan friesen
Well, he is a Republican.
But hold on.
jordan holmes
Okay.
alex jones
And I still haven't even gotten to some of the Golden Gloves garbage, and we're going to play some of it when we come back.
It's just being lectured when you know that this woman is a monster by every yardstick.
Let me just stop right there.
We have not come up with new specials yet.
God damn it!
jordan holmes
The Rock takes super male vitality.
dan friesen
Right.
So The Rock, that whole thing, I'm giving advice.
jordan holmes
The Rock has auto-ship.
dan friesen
Absolutely.
So I like the ad pivot, of course, and we've got to always have fun with that.
jordan holmes
Always got to have that.
dan friesen
I didn't know that The Rock was a Republican.
jordan holmes
Is he a Republican?
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
dan friesen
And get this.
He spoke at the Republican convention in 2000.
jordan holmes
That's bananas.
dan friesen
Here's a clip of it.
unidentified
Ladies and gentlemen, please welcome...
The people's superstar of the World Wrestling Federation, The Rock!
And this is why we got GW.
jordan holmes
It's The Rock's fault!
Nobody vote for The Rock!
unidentified
He's coming out, he's got his coat on, his sunglasses.
jordan holmes
Oh, he's doing the whole thing?
dan friesen
Oh, yeah.
He's giving weird looks.
jordan holmes
Drop the people's elbow on Dennis Haster.
unidentified
Now let The Rock get this straight.
You invited The Rock, the World Wrestling Federation champion, to speak at the Republican National Convention?
Well, The Rock says this.
What's the matter with you people?
jordan holmes
Good call!
dan friesen
It's kind of a hacky speech for The Rock, what his talents are.
But I mean, again, it is 18 years ago.
He wasn't the smooth, charismatic man that he is now.
But what's super fucking fascinating to me about that is he does some of his catchphrases, he does a couple of people's eyebrows, and then turns into Dwayne.
jordan holmes
Oh, he turns it off.
dan friesen
Yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
He breaks a fucking...
dan friesen
He's like, maybe you guys were just trying to get in touch with the 14 million fans of The Rock.
And then he's like, I've got two words for you.
Does the eyebrow.
Thank you.
jordan holmes
I don't like him breaking kayfabe.
It's absolutely crazy.
I don't like it.
dan friesen
He did not protect the business.
jordan holmes
Very frustrating.
unidentified
Although Vince McMahon is almost certainly a huge Republican.
dan friesen
And given what we know about that, and given the fact that Linda McMahon is in the Trump administration, it kind of makes total sense.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
But anyway.
jordan holmes
So, okay.
dan friesen
This doesn't diminish my feelings about The Rock.
jordan holmes
This, once again, proves.
That the world of politics has turned into professional wrestling because The Rock is going to turn heel on America and completely support this tax bill.
That's what's going to happen.
dan friesen
You know what else it proves, too, though?
It disproves Alex's whole notion about, like, you can't be a conservative in Hollywood.
They'll blacklist you.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Because The Rock spoke at the 2000 convention and is the biggest star in Hollywood.
jordan holmes
As did Clint Eastwood.
And, uh...
dan friesen
Hey, get this.
When he spoke at that convention, he wasn't the biggest star in Hollywood.
He was nobody in Hollywood.
jordan holmes
He was just The Rock.
dan friesen
Exactly.
So his whole career has come after he outed himself as a Republican.
That whole narrative is bogus.
jordan holmes
Hold on one second.
Did anybody know that?
dan friesen
Yeah, I think people knew that.
jordan holmes
Did people know that?
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
I feel like nobody knew that.
dan friesen
I just didn't know that.
jordan holmes
Or at the very least...
Nobody knew he was serious.
dan friesen
Yeah, that's possible.
jordan holmes
Like, he was just a professional wrestler at the time.
Who would have guessed that he's a Republican?
dan friesen
It's weird.
jordan holmes
I mean, economically he should be a Republican.
I respect that.
dan friesen
Sure, he was the corporate champ for a while.
unidentified
Absolutely.
dan friesen
That's absolutely some indication.
jordan holmes
Let's circle back.
What's a tool bag?
dan friesen
What's up?
jordan holmes
He said the word tool bag, and I've never heard that before.
dan friesen
It doesn't matter.
jordan holmes
No, this is very important to me.
dan friesen
Hold on.
What do you think a tool bag is?
jordan holmes
I've heard shit bag.
dan friesen
It doesn't matter what you think a tool bag is!
The Rock.
Thank you.
So, in this next clip, the next number of clips, we get into Alex trying to deconstruct Oprah's speech from the Golden Globes.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
And it's not substantive.
jordan holmes
Now, before we go any further, I have studiously avoided any Golden Globes talk.
I have one opinion, and that's they were doing something good, and...
Do it.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
I have nothing to say.
dan friesen
I don't care about award shows.
Making the victims of stuff more visible is great.
Good.
I got no take.
jordan holmes
Takes are bad in this regard.
dan friesen
I listened to a bit of Oprah's speech and found nothing in it to be troubling, let's say.
Alex, on the other hand...
jordan holmes
She called Alex a tool bag.
Right.
unidentified
Hey, didn't Melinda Gates say she was going to get you?
dan friesen
So in this first clip, Alex...
jordan holmes
And then The Rock gave her the people's elbow.
I think that's exactly how that...
I'm assuming that's how the Golden Globes worked out.
dan friesen
That's what the camps that they're going to send all of these conservatives to are.
It's just Oprah yelling at them and then The Rock giving them the people's elbow.
So here's the first clip.
Alex doesn't seem to really have much of a concern other than he...
It seems like he just doesn't like actors.
Which, I mean, great.
It's not that interesting of a complaint, but...
alex jones
Oprah Winfrey is literally one of the number one enemies of black people in the world, in my view.
Let's go ahead and play this clip of her grandstanding and looking at Meryl Streep.
Oh, we love the women, Meryl.
Men are the problem.
Oh, the media is so wonderful.
Trump's so evil.
Here is her sickening garbage on the listing, sinking ship that is the filth that is Hollywood.
oprah winfrey
I'd like to thank the Hollywood Foreign Press Association, because we all know that the press is under siege these days.
But we also know that it is the insatiable dedication to uncovering the absolute truth.
alex jones
We give you the absolute truth.
We're fighting.
We're the underdog.
And then it cuts to all the old mummies, the old being fake, a bunch of actors.
Oh, yeah.
jordan holmes
So you're speaking about older women.
alex jones
We're so good.
We're so anti-elite.
That's why we hang out at the secret Cold Springs Harbor meetings.
Here, let's go back to her.
dan friesen
So, I mean, not a lot here thus far.
It just seems like anti-elitism on his part.
jordan holmes
Well, it seems more like a regular Alex Jones trying to play a clip where the moment she's about to say something that he disagrees with, he cuts her off and says...
She's ugly, essentially.
dan friesen
And everyone else is old and ugly and Meryl Streep.
jordan holmes
And they hang out with the demons and the songs and the things and the dogs.
dan friesen
Sure.
He always comes down on Meryl Streep for not attacking Roman Polanski.
jordan holmes
Really doesn't like Meryl Streep.
dan friesen
And fine.
Fine.
That's a legitimate complaint to have about somebody, I suppose.
But he could also attack Justin Timberlake, you know, being in Woody Allen's new movie.
jordan holmes
Fuck Woody Allen.
Fuck Roman Polanski.
dan friesen
He could just attack Woody Allen himself.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I mean, well...
dan friesen
He doesn't seem to do that much.
jordan holmes
He actually challenged him to a...
dan friesen
A boxing match?
jordan holmes
A boxing match in the ring.
dan friesen
Wearing different flags?
jordan holmes
While Brian Stelter is on top of him.
dan friesen
Oh, that'd be great.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
Wearing one giant trench coat.
dan friesen
So let's see how long it takes him to interrupt now that he's restarted the clip.
jordan holmes
He's restarting it?
Of course he's restarting it.
dan friesen
Not from the top.
jordan holmes
Oh, okay.
dan friesen
He's getting back into it.
oprah winfrey
That keeps us from turning a blind eye to corruption and to injustice.
alex jones
Oh, the Clintons, the globalists, Weinstein, all of it.
Oh, but oh, thank God the media is here to keep us from the corruption.
Thank God.
Thank God that...
Oh man, what would we do without the mainstream media?
Let's continue.
dan friesen
So, the point that I'd like to make is the globalists aren't real, and the things that he's complaining about the Clintons aren't real either.
Things like the Uranium One shit.
jordan holmes
Furthermore.
dan friesen
Furthermore, the Weinstein stuff was broken by the mainstream media.
jordan holmes
Even further, isn't he media who says he's fighting against corruption and he's the only voice?
Well, there is that too, yeah.
That's a silly thing for him to say.
dan friesen
Right, right, right, but he's right.
He's not lying.
All the other people, they're lying.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
I don't know.
It's stupid.
And all of his examples are things that either aren't real or are completely unrelated to what Oprah said.
Right.
oprah winfrey
To tyrants and victims and secrets and lies.
I want to say that I value the press more than ever before as we try to navigate these complicated times.
Which brings me to this.
What I know for sure is that speaking your truth is the most powerful tool.
alex jones
Speaking your truth.
Your magic kingdom.
Imagine you're going to be a princess.
Imagine you get a car.
You get a car.
None of it's true.
Your truth.
Take what they put out.
Regurgitate it.
Stay in the cult.
Keep trying to kill prosperity.
Let's just get rid of the family.
Men are the problem.
Because she gets to that.
Here it goes.
jordan holmes
It was weird when she said keep trying to kill prosperity.
unidentified
Right, right.
jordan holmes
She was like, hey, by the way, no, look, we need to support women.
You need to speak the truth that you know because you have been abused and you have been absolutely set aside and you're not paid the same and also we need to kill prosperity.
But let's get back to the Hollywood Foreign Press Association.
Kill prosperity.
dan friesen
Right.
I mean, you see, this is entirely all he does.
And it actually, this, I hate this is the second episode in a row where it's like, some of this is kind of boring to me.
And as much as, like, you can see it literally in that clip.
He only heard the words, tell your truth.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Speak your truth.
And he just decided, oh, I can hinge on that.
unidentified
They're making it up.
dan friesen
I can use that as a door to swing.
Right, right, right.
Your truth.
It's almost like free association of a lunatic to some extent.
jordan holmes
What do you mean, almost?
dan friesen
Fair point.
Anyway, he gets back into it.
oprah winfrey
We all have.
And I'm especially proud and inspired by all the women who have felt strong enough.
alex jones
Oh, the women.
Not a word about the Islamists that Obama and the globalists set loose that have murdered hundreds of thousands of men, women, and children and put women into sex slavery.
I mean, even Linda Sorcerer criticized the women in Iran and the news giving them any attention taking their hijabs off.
jordan holmes
I mean, that is technically true.
alex jones
She did not say a word about those things.
He says, let's continue.
dan friesen
I think he's in libel territory here.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
I believe.
First of all, What he's talking about is he has a headline that he's been using in this episode, and he will continue to use.
And its actress says, Harvey Weinstein used Oprah and Naomi to seduce me.
jordan holmes
I mean, that's a good...
Plan, I guess, if he can pull that off?
dan friesen
It's a good headline if you don't read the article.
unidentified
Right.
jordan holmes
I wonder what the article says.
dan friesen
The article says, an aspiring actress says Harvey Weinstein used Oprah Winfrey and Naomi Campbell to dupe her into thinking he would help her with her career, only to use her for sex.
jordan holmes
So, he was not calling Oprah and saying, okay, anyways, continue.
dan friesen
British actress Katie Ann Noble said Tuesday she was head over heels impressed when she first met Weinstein at an event in London because he was hanging out with model Naomi Campbell and had megastar Oprah swinging off his arm.
I thought, obviously, this man is something amazing in store for me, she said during a teary-eyed press conference in Manhattan to discuss the sex trafficking lawsuit she filed a day earlier against Weinstein in Manhattan Federalist.
So now, I don't think that...
jordan holmes
That's an irresponsible headline.
dan friesen
I think that Oprah's association with Weinstein is something that should be looked at.
And it should be something that's taken seriously.
But that is...
It implies a level of agency that is very irresponsible.
jordan holmes
That headline is wrong and should be taken down immediately.
dan friesen
Well, but to be fair, the headline is stated in as much as it is an assertion that this lady is making.
But her words don't actually save that.
But Alex is misrepresenting it a second stage in saying that she actually was recruiting women for him and stuff like that.
jordan holmes
Which is a legitimate reading of that headline.
dan friesen
The headline?
jordan holmes
Yeah.
No, no, no.
That's my issue.
That headline is clearly meant to be...
It's ambiguous enough for you to go, wait, what the fuck?
And then click on it and then read the rest of the article.
dan friesen
It's a very, very irresponsible clickbait.
Alex has fallen head first for it.
unidentified
Yeah, of course.
dan friesen
Now, the issue with Linda Sarsour, it seems to me to trace back to a tweet that she put out that says, is it just me or is Trump praising Iranian protesters and at the same time also banning Iranians from entering the USA?
And then there's two hmm emoticons.
Two scratching the chin emoticons.
She might have said some other stuff, but I don't think she's impugned these protesters.
That's what I can find in terms of the backlash that the alt-right world is having online.
And I don't think that's very extreme.
I think that's a pretty decent point to make.
unidentified
Not bad.
dan friesen
But be that as it may, it's just like...
Everything is not true.
jordan holmes
No, nothing here is true.
dan friesen
Everything is fake.
jordan holmes
Furthermore, everything is...
It's a facade of lies.
...frustratingly uninteresting to me.
It's all shit that we are going to forget about tomorrow.
dan friesen
I promise you we'll get eventually to something that'll make you furious.
unidentified
Wow.
dan friesen
So you got that to look forward to.
jordan holmes
I assume, but right now I'm just like...
dan friesen
And everyone in the chat room, you got that to look forward.
Jordan is gonna scream.
jordan holmes
I'm just listening to this being like, I don't care.
I don't care what Oprah said.
I don't care.
I don't care.
Like, I get that you have to say something.
It's a daily thing.
And I respect that.
You gotta hit your deadline.
That's fine.
But fuck off.
Don't make me try and have a take on this shit.
Who gives a shit?
dan friesen
Also, don't pretend to be a news person and then report that Oprah is procuring women for Harvey Weinstein.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Or helping him seduce them when it's just...
By association with her, this woman was tricked into thinking he would help her career.
That is...
I mean, I don't know.
I don't know what libel and slander, like, what constitutes it, especially when you're a public figure.
You gotta make a really pretty serious case.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
But I think that that is damning in terms of what Alex does.
Like, he should be deeply ashamed of that.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
In terms of, even for him, like, he should probably apologize for that.
He should probably put out a retraction.
You would think.
jordan holmes
Although, I mean, by association, he's saying that Oprah drinks adrenochrome.
dan friesen
Right, but that's just association.
The other thing, though, is that this really invalidates how much he actually knows about his flagship issue, which seems to be his take on pedophiles and sex traffickers.
So if he thinks that Oprah is proven to be mixed up with this because of this headline that he's peddling, I got bad news.
You know nothing.
You're making it all up.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Which we already knew.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Anyway, he goes on.
jordan holmes
A lot of lies.
dan friesen
He gets back to the Oprah speech.
jordan holmes
His lies per minute right now?
Staggering.
dan friesen
Absolutely.
jordan holmes
This is fantastic.
dan friesen
Yeah.
oprah winfrey
Powered enough to speak up and share their personal stories.
Each of us in this room...
alex jones
Oh, they're all victims, yes.
oprah winfrey
...are celebrated because of the stories that we tell.
Oh, wait, pause.
alex jones
The stories you tell, all the propaganda, the garbage, the lies, like the new story you're telling.
dan friesen
Alex doesn't seem to understand that mediums like film are...
I don't think he understands that at all.
That's what she's talking about.
Us in this room, we're celebrating the stories we tell.
The medium of film.
What an idiot.
jordan holmes
Also, here's the thing that I really hate about what Alex Jones is turning this into.
There's a massive difference between feeling guilty, or making people feel guilty, and pointing out people's guilt.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
You know, it's not that she's trying to make...
Make men feel guilty.
It's that these men are guilty of crimes.
Right.
You shouldn't feel guilty about what all men do.
You should point out that most men are guilty of crimes.
dan friesen
Yeah, I agree.
Anyway, let's get back to this.
oprah winfrey
We became the story.
But it's not just a story.
alex jones
We became the story about men saying I want to take you out is now the same as Weinstein raping a woman.
I see.
Thank you for telling us the story.
Go ahead.
jordan holmes
I don't think he sees.
dan friesen
No, I don't think he does at all.
And that's just his way of trying to deflect because he's trying to pretend that that's all Trump did was ask a lady out.
jordan holmes
Yeah, hey, you can't even ask a lady out anymore.
dan friesen
So now he's just trying to weave, using a word in her speech as a hinge, again, just trying to flip something to defend Trump.
jordan holmes
Well, and if you cut it up the way that he's doing, which is going by one random-ass word in every sentence, you completely inoculate your viewers from understanding the entirety of her speech.
dan friesen
You can't understand the point at all, and that's something we've talked about before.
Whenever he's actually afraid of the content of something, but he feels he has to cover it, he usually does it in this way.
Chop, chop, chop.
Right.
jordan holmes
Now you can hate all of what Oprah said without ever actually engaging with her speech.
unidentified
Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm.
jordan holmes
You're engaging with random-ass words.
You're not engaging with a speech.
dan friesen
And Alex teaches you really, really bad and poorly thought-out things you can say to your friends on Facebook.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Who post the speech.
jordan holmes
For sure.
dan friesen
And you can create all sorts of anger and blah, blah, blah.
jordan holmes
I love any time somebody posts the Oprah speech and then the comment is, Yep.
But what about Linda Sarsour?
unidentified
Right.
oprah winfrey
Entertainment industry.
It's one that transcends any culture, geography, race, religion.
alex jones
Because you're trying to destroy all that and bring in one world government.
We get it.
Continue.
dan friesen
Okay.
I don't think that's what she meant.
I think that there's tons of Japanese movies, for instance, or Chinese movies.
unidentified
Where are they trying to destroy and create one world government?
dan friesen
No, we've seen movies from other cultures that are emotionally moving and still resonate deeply, and it's something that can bring people together in a very meaningful way, and that's what she's talking about.
jordan holmes
Like the Raid Redemption.
dan friesen
It's not that you want to destroy cultures and make them into a monoculture.
jordan holmes
I just want to talk about the Raid Redemption.
dan friesen
I know you do.
Go ahead.
jordan holmes
No, I got nothing.
I just want to talk about it.
I just love it so much.
oprah winfrey
It's a great movie.
dan friesen
It's great!
jordan holmes
It's a great movie.
dan friesen
I haven't seen it.
jordan holmes
It's great.
You need to see it.
dan friesen
I'm sure it's great.
jordan holmes
We'll watch it together.
dan friesen
All right.
oprah winfrey
Politics or workplace.
So I want tonight to express gratitude to all the women who have endured years of abuse and assault because they like my mother.
Had children to feed and bills to pay.
alex jones
See, she's the victim with a cry voice like her mother and you, Hollywood, are good.
Hollywood is now an abused woman.
Hollywood is not pedophile or devil worship.
No, no.
It's the abused one.
It's the good one.
"No, we're not poisonous, we're good." Yes, Roman Polanski.
Yes, yes, yes, yes.
Let's continue.
dan friesen
I mean, look, yeah, there's a lot of problems in Hollywood in terms of systematic power imbalances and people who exploit and abuse those power imbalances.
jordan holmes
There's a lot of problems anywhere there's power imbalances like that.
dan friesen
Right, right.
But Hollywood...
jordan holmes
Hollywood is just public.
dan friesen
Right.
And it's glamorized and glitz.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
And we've had years and years of...
jordan holmes
Go to any office building where there's that kind of power imbalance and you see the same fucking shit.
dan friesen
No doubt!
And I think what Alex Jones is really pissed off about here, though, at least in this last clip, is that Oprah, he thinks that she's trying to claim a victim status.
jordan holmes
Which is the opposite of what she's doing.
dan friesen
He can't handle that because that's what he does.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
That's what I do about whites.
Don't you understand?
jordan holmes
You're stepping in on my territory, Oprah!
dan friesen
We can't be in the same space.
With this.
Because...
jordan holmes
You're Oprah, and I'm just Alex Jones.
If you occupy my space, dude, I got no shot.
dan friesen
I just...
It's not mutually exclusive, but in Alex Jones' worldview it is.
For her to have a legitimate claim to some sort of victim standard and himself.
So it's a load of hot bullshit.
And this is one of those things that's sort of a little bit like why I...
I buck about people who's like, hey, why are you taking him seriously?
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
You know, it's little things like that that are like, okay, you've got to remember the white victimhood that's behind everything.
unidentified
Right, right.
dan friesen
And how dangerous that mentality is.
So even when people laugh at him for that Brian Stelter rant, you've got to understand what's behind it and how this is not an isolated incident.
It's par for the course.
jordan holmes
Well, but, I mean, what he's really trying to do...
Is turn any kind of...
Women being victimized has victimized me.
Anybody else who is legitimately attacked, who is legitimately harassed and discriminated against, by mentioning that, you make me a victim of your...
Mentioning that.
dan friesen
Well, it goes back to that thing he says very frequently.
I don't want to feel guilty.
I don't want you to make me feel bad.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
All right.
I mean, good luck living in a civilization, then, when you do bad things.
Anyway, he goes on.
oprah winfrey
And dreams to pursue.
alex jones
Oh, they're such good people.
Look at them all.
These are all the puppets.
These are all.
oprah winfrey
They're the women.
Whose names we'll never know.
They are domestic workers.
And farm workers.
alex jones
But not women in Chinese slave factories.
Or not women getting sterilized in Africa by your operation.
No.
Because I'm the champion of women.
I will lead you women.
Here I stand at the big center of the evil globalist operation telling you I will save you.
She continues.
Go on.
dan friesen
So, I mean...
jordan holmes
Oprah has come far in the world.
dan friesen
Uh-huh.
jordan holmes
If she started out as nothing and got all the way to the center of the globalist operation.
dan friesen
The center of it.
jordan holmes
Look, even if globalists were real, you gotta respect that story.
dan friesen
It's pretty amazing.
jordan holmes
You gotta respect that story.
dan friesen
Rags to riches.
jordan holmes
Oh.
dan friesen
I don't like the...
I mean, you just play any kind of game like that, though.
Like, hey, you don't talk about everybody.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Why don't you talk about every group that has trouble?
jordan holmes
What I'm doing is I'm making general examples of women, and even though the ones that I don't include are not mentioned, they are included by association.
They're included by inference.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
But, you're right, I did not specifically mention...
Any number of the ways that women have been victimized, maybe that's an issue.
Alex, you should fucking confront.
dan friesen
Hey, Jordan.
The next two clips are wild.
jordan holmes
No, no.
dan friesen
They're wild.
jordan holmes
No, I'm going to get out of here.
I think I had a good time.
dan friesen
So this next clip is the conclusion of his coverage of the speech.
jordan holmes
His hero's journey.
dan friesen
That's not literally true, because he does get back to it later.
jordan holmes
Well, I assume.
dan friesen
But this is where he gets forced to stop covering it by a commercial break, and he says some really weird stuff towards the end of this.
So mic down on this.
oprah winfrey
They are...
Working in factories and they work in restaurants and they're in academia and engineering and medicine and science.
They're part of the world of tech and politics.
alex jones
And their identity is having a chip on their shoulder that only people like you can control.
As we sit here and analyze this filthy BS coming out.
Can we put her up there sticking her tongue in the ear of Harvey Weinstein one more time?
And then the articles about how she would shuttle young women into him.
dan friesen
So real quick, before we get to the really weird stuff.
He's saying that she would shuttle young women in.
That's not what that article says at all.
That is absolutely not what it says.
jordan holmes
Like, was she driving?
dan friesen
Yeah, she was chauffeuring.
jordan holmes
I mean, what are we talking about here?
Is it like a hotel shuttle?
Like, where are we going?
dan friesen
There is a picture of her, like, kissing his ear.
Harvey Weinstein's ear.
But you could find compromising pictures of just about every celebrity because of, you know, how big a mogul he was.
jordan holmes
Again, power imbalance.
dan friesen
Exactly.
unidentified
Yeah.
Reportedly.
alex jones
I mean, come on, baby.
dan friesen
He does throw the reportedly in.
alex jones
Tell us about the Clinton.
Tell us about women.
That'd be courageous if you got up there and excoriated Weinstein or Bill Clinton.
But, you know, Oprah, we heard you are quite the party animal and you like guys quite a bit.
You got all these women out there being better to tell them don't have a man.
You know, you don't need a man.
But, you know, at least you've got some humanity.
You like men, reportedly.
So, I mean, what's wrong?
Oh, you want them all for yourself.
And there's nothing better than bringing a little honey into your sweetheart, Harvey, because he's just as twisted as you.
dan friesen
So he gets cut off by the break there as he's trying to sort of weirdly ramble about having threesomes with Harvey Weinstein.
And, like, I don't like that you have some humanity in you because you like men.
jordan holmes
Well, everybody knows that if you don't, that's...
dan friesen
The implication there, and you have to make the implication because it's how his mind works.
You don't have humanity in you if you are attracted to the same sex.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
That's not good.
jordan holmes
Well, if you're attracted to women?
unidentified
Well...
jordan holmes
I think he's actually reverse asking insofar as anybody who is not attracted to men...
dan friesen
So you're suggesting that he is attracted to men.
jordan holmes
I am suggesting that Alex Jones just said, I am gay.
dan friesen
It's possible.
I mean, there's a lot of ways you could...
jordan holmes
Or he just said he wasn't a human being.
dan friesen
If you want to misrepresent his words the way he misrepresents...
That victim of Weinstein's or the way he misrepresents Melinda Gates, you could say Alex Jones just came out.
jordan holmes
Alex Jones just came out.
You heard it here on Knowledge Fight.
Alex Jones revealed he is gay.
dan friesen
But at the same time...
jordan holmes
Or an alien.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
Could be an alien.
That's entirely possible.
jordan holmes
I will walk that back.
dan friesen
Right.
The UFO disclosure, really, just trying to pave the way for Alex to admit that he's an alien.
So he goes to commercial break, and that stuff is really fucked up.
Again, I don't know the lines of slander and libel, but he seems like he's very close to it.
jordan holmes
Seems like that's really...
dan friesen
If Oprah gave a shit, I think there might be a case.
There might be.
So he goes to break, and he comes back, and he's like, shit, I got nothing but time.
I gotta cover this Oprah stuff some more.
jordan holmes
Oh, no!
dan friesen
And so he gets back to the speech.
And instead of being sort of heteronormative and chauvinistic, he now decides, it's time for me to get racist.
jordan holmes
That's not great.
dan friesen
So...
jordan holmes
Quick question.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Is Oprah rich enough to kill Alex Jones?
dan friesen
Not kill him, but destroy his empire.
jordan holmes
No, I mean, like, kill him.
dan friesen
No, I don't doubt it.
jordan holmes
I feel like if you're rich enough, you get like one or two.
alex jones
I don't know.
jordan holmes
You get one or two freebies.
dan friesen
I think it would be dangerous.
I think it would be too dangerous to, in terms of, first of all, it's wrong.
jordan holmes
Second, moral gray area killing Alex Jones.
dan friesen
The blowback, the hyper blowback from listeners of his and stuff like that would be tremendous.
It would be problematic.
Anyway, he gets back to Oprah, and like I said, a little racist.
jordan holmes
Okay.
alex jones
Just take one look at Harvey Weinstein.
I mean, that is a perv par excellence.
Let's hear some more from Oprah Winfrey.
Here it is.
At the Golden Globes, up there pontificating about the women and how she is.
Oprah Winfrey.
I just care about you all.
Here it is.
oprah winfrey
Military.
And there's someone else.
Recy Taylor.
A name I know and I think you should know too.
In 1944, Recy Taylor was a young wife and a mother.
She was just walking home from a church service she'd attended in Abbeville, Alabama, when she was abducted by six armed white men.
alex jones
You notice every day, buried in the news, there are white people being abducted, killed, murdered, tortured by racist black people, and the media tries to cover it up.
So she gets in a time machine to go back to something that's terrible as well, to come out and inflict and say, white men killed the black lady.
jordan holmes
They did.
alex jones
Just stick a knife in the wound, put some salt in, and that's all she does.
It's so easy.
But she's the angel.
She's the good person.
Let's continue.
oprah winfrey
Blindfolded by the side of the road, coming home from church.
alex jones
Pause again.
Blindfolded by the side of the road, coming home from church.
Would you talk about all the whites blindfolded, killed, murdered?
But see, they're not human.
They don't deserve it unless they're one of these peacocks.
But you're not even a black racist lady.
This is your cover.
You're a race controller.
You are a Nazi.
You are part of an admitted cult.
You are part of the Rockefeller group to carry out eugenics.
It's mainstream news.
I covered it earlier.
dan friesen
You didn't.
You just made weird references to articles you're misrepresenting.
So the reason that she brought up Recy Taylor is because she died like a week ago.
She was 97 years old.
In, what was it, 1944, she was kidnapped and gang-raped by six white men.
Despite the men's confessions to authorities, two grand juries subsequently denied to indict the men.
No charges were ever brought against them.
So I don't want to get into the details because it's fucking horrifying.
But the reality is this was a racially based miscarriage of justice and a violent attack.
And the reason that she brought her up is because she died a week ago.
And there's some, you know, there is some positive things you can take away in terms of like...
The Alabama House of Representatives in 2001 officially apologized to her on behalf of the state.
So there are some things that make bright spots in the...
jordan holmes
Every day you're not murdered by a black person, you should be grateful.
Because you have it coming.
Right.
White people totally have everything coming.
dan friesen
So, I looked...
jordan holmes
Un-fucking-real.
dan friesen
I looked into things a little bit, because I was...
jordan holmes
I mean, even if you want to follow along with this fucking point, the issue is rape!
The issue is dudes!
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
I don't even fucking...
Like, the race is a fucking horrifying issue.
But if you're gonna go with that, if you're gonna go with, well, white women are abducted too, then fucking deal with the women issue!
unidentified
That's what she's fucking talking about in the goddamn first place!
dan friesen
Nope, that's a big piece of it.
jordan holmes
Fucking Christ!
dan friesen
Nope, that's pretty terrible.
It's pretty, pretty bad.
But, um...
unidentified
Fuck!
dan friesen
I wanted to check out this idea that white men are being killed by black people every day and the media isn't publishing it.
jordan holmes
We can only hope.
dan friesen
So I looked into, like, murders with white victims in the last, like, couple days, you know, in the new year here.
Kansas City North man accused of killing another man by shooting him in the chest.
That was a white guy who killed him.
Okay, that's not...
That one's not going to work.
Wisconsin man feels girlfriend used him to kill her mother.
That's another white dude.
jordan holmes
Well, then you have the white supremacist who killed his girlfriend's parents.
dan friesen
We're going to get to that in a little bit.
Eventually.
jordan holmes
He is going to be tried as a minor, Dan.
dan friesen
Is that right?
jordan holmes
Yeah, he's going to be tried as a minor.
And if he were black, he would definitely be tried as a minor, too.
dan friesen
I assume so.
jordan holmes
No, I don't think that's the case, Dan.
dan friesen
Santa Clarita's father shot his two children and his wife in a suspected murder-suicide.
That's white people.
Husband told police he snapped before killing Krista Lee Steele Nudesleen, founder of Miss Transamerica.
This guy just beat his wife with a hammer.
And then stabbed her to death, and then went to the store to get alcohol afterwards.
jordan holmes
Well, but that's reasonable.
dan friesen
And rolled up her body in the basement.
He said he snapped because she kept being mean to him.
jordan holmes
Well, you gotta get a drink after that.
dan friesen
All white people.
jordan holmes
But that's just statistically true, is that 90% of crime is not interracial.
Or 90% of violent crime.
dan friesen
Redden scheduled for possible plea in double murder case.
This is another white person who killed white people.
unidentified
Hmm.
dan friesen
No, it's all like all the murders you find, really, they are related, you know?
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
It's people you know.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
It's always been the case.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
That's how math works.
dan friesen
No, I know, but this idea that he's spitting is a very dangerous one.
This idea that there are crimes against white people being done by racist minorities all the time.
jordan holmes
All the time.
dan friesen
And the media is just not looking into them.
jordan holmes
Hiding it.
dan friesen
Because if you look into the reality of what crime is going on...
It's usually husbands murdering wives.
And that goes back to the other things you were just screaming about.
So the reality of the world is that Alex is wrong on two counts.
jordan holmes
Again, lies per minute.
Really high.
Like, his lies per minute are now 300 lies per second squared.
No matter how many lies you're telling, his lies are accelerating at the same rate of speed against you.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So at the end of that last clip there, Alex said that Oprah, or Ofra...
jordan holmes
Because of him, the truth is curved.
dan friesen
In this next clip, we get to hear how...
The last one, Alex said that Oprah's trying to run...
Well, of course.
And here's something that Alex says about Trump a little bit later in the show.
alex jones
Genetically, you look at somebody who's successful.
He's, what, four or five kids?
So he runs for president the first time and wins against all the odds, and they call the president a loser and mentally ill.
dan friesen
That wasn't the first time he ran for president.
Also, I just don't know how you can complain about someone talking about eugenics and then him being like, he's genetically successful.
jordan holmes
Well, genetically he's superior.
Genetically he's superior.
I mean, I'm just saying that he has four kids, right?
And they're also genetically superior.
It's great to have them breed.
Oh, that might be eugenics.
dan friesen
Well, but like, when you have...
If it existed in a vacuum, it would be one thing and still not great, but it exists in the context of everything that Trump has said over the years about being a gene believer and all that stuff.
Yeah, so what we've got there from Alex is one of them nice times when he's like, you know, his big enemy...
jordan holmes
Directly contradicts himself immediately.
dan friesen
His big enemies are eugenicists, and he...
Oh, whoops, accidentally said some eugenics-y stuff, guys.
Whoops.
unidentified
So...
jordan holmes
I fucking hate these people.
dan friesen
Not great.
So in this next clip, we're going to listen to a little bit...
jordan holmes
Hard yes on white genocide.
dan friesen
Alex in this next clip is going to get into a little bit of an ad.
This is from one of his commercials, and I think it is problematic.
And I'll explain.
jordan holmes
In a commercial?
alex jones
Yeah.
unidentified
Oh, boy.
alex jones
A few months ago, I saw media demonizing folks that put up signs at universities that said, all lives matter.
Then they demonized people that said it's okay to be white.
These are universities where they're saying it's inherently evil and an abomination and satanic to be white.
Right outside Austin, Texas.
Texas State University says that.
Most major universities are directing this to create racial division in this country and it's sickening.
That's why I have designed with our crew several new limited edition T-shirts that expose this evil and fight true institutional leftist-based racial division.
Yeah, if you're just talking about how you're white or how you're black, it's okay.
That's fine to be proud of yourself.
But isn't it really great to realize we all got red blood?
dan friesen
So that's his sort of standard rationalization for any time there's some racist shit going on.
jordan holmes
Look, Alex.
These are reasonable people.
I'm the one saying it's inherently evil to be white.
Come after me, man.
Universities are fine.
If you want to come after somebody who genuinely hates white people for their whiteness...
Dude, right on here.
dan friesen
So this is something that I discussed on a live stream, but I didn't have the clip of Alex talking and having that commercial.
So it bears repeating.
He's been a real big proponent of people handing out flyers on the streets that say it's okay to be white.
And there's this article here from December 30th of last year, the 2017.
Neo-Nazi posters were plastered throughout Portland Community College over Christmas weekend.
Just two weeks ago, similar flyers were found near Portland State University.
Now, you might be asking what happened, what this was, and what it turns out is printed at the bottom of some of the posters is the website of a group called Patriot Front, a white supremacist organization that founded after the Charlottesville, Virginia Unite the Right rally.
The website offers an American fascist manifesto, which, as the name suggests, is a declaration of white nationalism.
The other plastered messages included swastikas and printouts that read, I'm a big fan of things that prove they're not correct simultaneously.
jordan holmes
Like, it's okay to be white next to a swastika is like, oh no, it's not okay to be white.
dan friesen
It's not okay to be that white.
jordan holmes
No.
Too white.
dan friesen
Too white.
Reel it in.
So, like, the point that I made when I went over this the last time.
jordan holmes
Like, the people who prove best that it's not okay to be white are the ones saying it's okay to be white.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Well, but, like, Alex Jones can't be oblivious of this sort of stuff.
He has to know the connotations and the associations of the rhetoric that he uses and the catchphrases that he uses.
He made a shirt that the top line of it is, it's okay to be white, which happens to be a major recruitment slogan for neo-Nazi groups.
jordan holmes
Well, yeah, but he's a Nazi.
dan friesen
Well, that's fair.
Anyway, in this next clip, Alex Jones laughs a little bit about Caddyshack.
unidentified
I...
dan friesen
And then makes a...
He makes a comparison with the globalists.
jordan holmes
Is this going to be the thing that offends me the most in this episode?
dan friesen
I don't think so, but it will confuse you for sure.
jordan holmes
Okay.
alex jones
It's kind of like Caddyshack where he's dropping plastic explosives out of the holes and it's shaped like Mr. Squirrel, Mr. Rabbit.
unidentified
Hey, Mr. Gov, we're not going to worry about plastic explosives or anything.
alex jones
Because that's what this is like.
We're just going to sexualize your kids.
Okay, the UN openly says NAMBL is right and sex with five-year-olds should be legal.
dan friesen
Not true.
alex jones
You know, when you actually pull back from these globalists, it's unbelievable that we got to this point.
And I get why I sound completely crazy.
jordan holmes
Do you?
alex jones
Because it is completely crazy.
dan friesen
And you're making shit up.
Like, even just in that clip, even just in that clip, he's saying that the UN recognizes NAMBLA and they want you to be able to fuck five-year-olds.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
And that's not true at all.
We've been over this repeatedly.
That's just a lie.
jordan holmes
He's not even right about Caddyshack.
It was Caddyshack 2, damn it.
dan friesen
I know, I know.
jordan holmes
That was Dan Aykroyd.
dan friesen
It's insane to me.
You know what I mean?
Like, it's insane that, like...
You know, I've had this experience before doing stand-up where someone does a joke and you're like, eh, that's someone else's joke.
And they're like, oh shit, I'm sorry, I didn't realize that.
And then a month later you see them doing the joke still.
I don't understand how anyone around Alex can be like, hey man, look, I know what you're trying to do here.
Nambla doesn't work with the UN.
I know you want them to.
I know that would make your worldview look more real.
But it's just not true.
You can't keep saying it.
Your narrative is wrong.
jordan holmes
See, but that's when we get back to the...
dan friesen
He has to know.
jordan holmes
That's when we get back to, do people buy his bullshit?
Like, whether or not he buys his own bullshit, now we're into, like, does anybody at Infowars...
Do they all buy his bullshit?
dan friesen
I would...
jordan holmes
Are they believers?
dan friesen
I would imagine no.
What I'm gonna guess is that people...
Have that like, oh, we're going to get rich.
We're going to make a lot of money here.
Something along those lines.
jordan holmes
Well, now I want to know what their salaries are.
dan friesen
You mean all the employees?
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Probably not great.
jordan holmes
I know, right?
dan friesen
They're going to make a living wage, though.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I mean, look, if you're making $40,000 a year, you can't be handling this Nambla bullshit.
dan friesen
Alex Jones makes way more than that.
jordan holmes
Right, exactly.
dan friesen
His walk away is way more than that.
jordan holmes
But his employees?
dan friesen
It's hard to say.
jordan holmes
Probably not great.
dan friesen
We need a better look at them finances, but I bet they do.
jordan holmes
What do you think Rob Doe makes?
dan friesen
Rob Doe's been there forever.
jordan holmes
Right.
So if we're going by Alex's stingy bullshit...
dan friesen
He's also sort of exec level, too, because he runs the nightly news.
unidentified
Oh, that's true.
dan friesen
So he's not a standard...
He's not a rainbow snitch.
jordan holmes
Right, right.
So let's give him 60 grand?
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
He started at 30, and then he's worked his way up over the years to 60. That's a pretty good pay raise.
Like, he's been there for 12 years or whatever.
dan friesen
Well, you know, I don't know if we'll ever be able to figure out exactly what his employees make.
jordan holmes
Let's give him a call.
dan friesen
But I will tell you that I know how they get paid, and it's this right here.
jordan holmes
Direct deposit?
alex jones
We want a world based on free market, being honest, being good, being straight dealers, straight shooters.
And guess what?
That's why they're scared.
And that's why it makes me so mad to know Oprah Winfrey is part of the most elitist evil organization on Earth.
And she wants to run her mouth about racism.
She makes me literally boil.
Disgusting.
Now, I need to be funded.
This operation needs to be funded.
unidentified
Fuck you!
jordan holmes
That one I saw coming.
dan friesen
That's how they make the money.
jordan holmes
She makes me disgusted.
dan friesen
Give me money.
jordan holmes
All right.
We're going to need some money.
dan friesen
And I love that he's like, at the beginning of that clip, he's like, we have an operation that's based off straight shooting.
Yeah.
jordan holmes
And now we're going to sell you bullshit products.
dan friesen
Now I'm going to use manipulative tricks wherein I create a feeling of fear in you that I'm going to use that fear in order to sell you products you don't need that imply by their very existence that you have lost your vitality and only I can make you whole again.
jordan holmes
Which I can't.
These products do nothing.
dan friesen
Mostly lead.
jordan holmes
Do nothing.
Nothing.
dan friesen
But it's an operation based on straight shooting.
jordan holmes
Straight shooters.
dan friesen
Straight shooting.
jordan holmes
Listen.
You don't get more shooting straight than Deep Earth Iodine, baby.
dan friesen
No, no, no.
jordan holmes
You don't get more shooting straight.
dan friesen
So that's all fun.
I love whenever we get multiple disgraceful ad pivots in a show.
But in this next clip, Alex has something that he might have learned.
He might have learned something recently.
jordan holmes
Like a moral lesson?
dan friesen
He thinks that this whole time he's been bonding with Trump and that the two of them have been vibing.
Right?
That's what he's thought.
But it turns out he recently saw someone on television going up against Jake Tapper.
jordan holmes
Oh, he's talking about Stephen Miller!
dan friesen
He realizes they are kindred spirits.
jordan holmes
Well, yeah.
dan friesen
Hold on.
Wait for it.
This is fucked up as shit.
alex jones
It was Miller that could keep up with Trump when Trump was 70, now 71. It was Miller, 30-something years old.
Then I researched Miller, and I remembered Miller.
It's not about Miller or even Trump.
It's about their past.
dan friesen
You really shouldn't say, I researched Miller, and then say the things you're about to say, Alex.
jordan holmes
And who they are.
alex jones
And this is a guy in high school that was anti-communist, and it was against the left creating anti-white racism.
He's a Jewish guy, but he recognizes race-based stuff.
And he comes from a liberal family.
jordan holmes
White nationalist.
alex jones
From what I read.
But he was like, oh my god, this is like Nazi, but it's against white people.
So they call him a white nationalist because he's a guy that's anti-racist.
He sounds like Martin Luther King.
If you actually listen to Martin Luther King, but that's how far they've come.
He destroyed him and Tapper went to break early and didn't know what to do.
Because a 31-, 32-year-old person who's actually immersed in things and researches everything.
unidentified
Now, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on.
Now, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on.
dan friesen
He gets cut off by the break.
He would have just kept rambling, but this is sad.
alex jones
...had every angle of what they were about to try and what they were about to do, and then I began to see it was Miller would transcribe what the president said and say, what about this, sir, and add a point or two.
And it was Miller.
And what's crazy is, that's what's crazy, is I know Trump isn't word-for-word copying my talking points.
They're just truth.
I'm so synced up.
It's Miller I've been synced up with because I can say stuff at the same time I found Miller getting good.
dan friesen
And it just goes out to break.
In the middle of a word.
You wanted to break.
jordan holmes
I thought I could not be surprised by what white people would compare to Martin Luther King Jr., but I will be goddamned if Stephen Miller being compared to Martin Luther King fucking Jr.
Doesn't take the goddamn cake, Dan!
dan friesen
I would say that he's my least favorite Steve Miller, and that takes a lot.
jordan holmes
That takes a lot of work.
dan friesen
Because I do not like abracadabra.
No.
jordan holmes
Fucking Christ!
dan friesen
So, Univision did a really interesting exploration into Steve Miller's life.
jordan holmes
Do you mean his white nationalist life?
dan friesen
Yes.
They found some interesting things.
One of the things that they found was his buddy, Jason Islas, in high school.
He got a call.
I'll just read this.
People who knew Miller in high school said he was a bigot back then and expressly ended childhood friendships with Latino students over their ethnicity.
Quote, I can't be your friend anymore because you're Latino, Jason Islas said he was told by Miller the summer before they began high school.
In fact, an amazing piece of investigative journalism from Univision, they covered instances of bigotry, blah, blah, blah, all over the place.
Another student, Natalie Flores, said Miller had, quote, an intense hatred for people of color, especially towards Latinos.
Quote, I think his big problem was with Latinos.
He thought they lived off welfare, said Flores, now a grad student at Columbia University.
Yet another student, Charles Gould, who attended elementary through high school with Stephen Miller, called him, quote, an unabashed racist.
Gould continued, he was constantly making disparaging remarks about the African American, Latino, and Asian students at our schools.
Multiple former classmates, including a professional baseball player, Cody Decker, have all spoken out about how Miller was booed offstage by 4,000 students when he was running for class president.
Some of Miller's fellow high school students now say they are alarmed by the power he seems to wield.
He's very dangerous, said Islas.
One thing is a kid who makes inappropriate comments in the high school newspaper, and another is letting him write presidential orders.
And they say they recognize Miller's voice when they listen to Trump's speeches.
Rose Marin said that reading Miller's writings in high school gave him an eerie feeling.
Quote, it's like you're reading Trump's words written by a 16-year-old kid in California.
So there's just constant people from his past who've been like, oh yeah, that guy was a fucking bigot.
Also, this one's just for fun.
Quote, he's the most sanctimonious student I think I ever encountered, said John Bernis, Duke's former senior vice president of public affairs and government relations.
Quote, he seems to be absolutely sure of his own views and the correctness of them and seemed to assume that if you were in disagreement with him, there was something malevolent or stupid about your thinking.
Incredibly intolerant.
jordan holmes
I mean, Alex was vibing with him.
dan friesen
No, totally.
jordan holmes
White nationalists do recognize each other.
dan friesen
Game recognize game, my dude.
jordan holmes
Wow.
dan friesen
There's a really fascinating thing there, though, that Alex got it.
jordan holmes
Of course he did.
dan friesen
But he should be, I don't know.
jordan holmes
I think we've proved beyond a reasonable doubt Alex Jones is a white nationalist.
dan friesen
No, no doubt, no doubt.
jordan holmes
There's no doubt in my mind about that.
He's a white nationalist.
And Stephen Miller, how, boy, Dan, you know what's great about America?
You can really, look, if you're willing to work hard.
And you are white and racist.
God damn it if you can't be the president.
dan friesen
It's so weird because Alex is like, I thought it was Trump all this time.
It turns out it's this squirrely young bigot.
It turns out it's this creep.
unidentified
Who?
jordan holmes
Who?
If you're going to say anybody looks like a fucking rapist.
If you're going to start talking about Stelter's appearance or Michael Wolff.
Fucking look at Jake Tapper's bullshit ass.
You can see him from a mile away and be like, that dude's a white supremacist.
dan friesen
It's interesting to me whenever Alex has these breakthroughs that we think are breakthroughs but are also completely different directions.
His is like, this guy's been an anti-communist his whole life.
Of course I would have bonded with him.
And we're like, oh my god, he's a white nationalist.
Alex, congratulations on that breakthrough.
You should take it to the next step.
You should realize.
jordan holmes
They say he's a white nationalist just because.
He wants white people to have privilege over everybody else, and he thinks all other races are inferior.
It's like, come on, man!
That's just what Martin Luther King Jr. was saying?
alex jones
Mm-hmm.
dan friesen
So anyway, in this next clip, Alex Jones sort of expresses a feeling that he has that he might...
This is a little bit historically grandiose, but interesting nonetheless.
alex jones
Everybody kind of wants to hedge their bets.
And I get that and I understand that.
But Trump isn't hedging his bets for us.
And so because he is so attacked, he is so viciously lied about, I want to really stand with the president.
I want my John Hancock.
jordan holmes
Because you're gay.
alex jones
I walk up and I see George Washington's signature on that, putting his life on the line.
I want to sign big Alex Jones.
Big.
And I'm not doing it to be the big man on the paper.
I'm doing it because everybody else is putting a risk on themselves.
So I'm not going to hide.
We're going to do this.
We're going to put ourselves right in the enemy's way.
And so that's what I want, is I'm looking for the enemy.
dan friesen
He seems to think that he's going to be a new founding father.
jordan holmes
Either that or the first against the wall when the revolution comes.
dan friesen
It's interesting to me because even in, like, I get it's a little grandiose and he has a little bit of a pie-in-the-sky kind of thing going on there, but you can see that his conception of shit is like Trump...
jordan holmes
1776 2.0, baby!
dan friesen
Trump drudge...
Alex Jones, not Breitbart anymore.
jordan holmes
Stephen Miller.
dan friesen
Stephen Miller, apparently, now.
They're the ones who are going to be on money.
You get it?
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
They're the ones who are going to be credited with creating a new republic.
And I got bad news.
You get your plan, and it will be a hellscape.
jordan holmes
At what point do we actually need to...
dan friesen
Even if he was just a libertarian.
Even if he was just a libertarian, that would be...
unidentified
Bananas.
dan friesen
That would be tragic for America.
But the fact that he is a white nationalist, authoritarian dick sucker, you know, he...
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
I don't mean that in any gay connotation, but just he would fillet an authoritarian with glee.
jordan holmes
Right.
And he's gay.
dan friesen
I'm not jumping in on your bandwagon.
jordan holmes
Gay or an alien.
dan friesen
Because we talk about Alex so negatively, I don't want to say he's gay because it sounds like that's a negative then.
jordan holmes
No, I'm not saying that he's negatively gay.
dan friesen
I'm assuming how people might hear it, and I'm getting self-conscious.
jordan holmes
I mean, for him, I'm sure that's a negative thing.
dan friesen
Oh, he would hear it as a negative for sure.
jordan holmes
I'm more...
I'm more unhappy that he's not living the life that he should be living.
dan friesen
Are you saying he should live his truth?
jordan holmes
I think he should live his truth.
He should tell his story.
dan friesen
Nah, Oprah.
jordan holmes
At the very least.
unidentified
Oprah.
jordan holmes
At what point do we actually have to start being like, okay, overthrowing the government makes sense.
dan friesen
I don't know.
jordan holmes
Like a month ago?
dan friesen
I don't know.
jordan holmes
Like a year and a half ago?
dan friesen
Just fucking call it a counter coup and it's not so negative.
jordan holmes
And then it's not so bad.
Yeah, we'll just have a counter coup.
dan friesen
I don't know.
I think that our processes that are in place might still work out.
I don't fucking know.
jordan holmes
I don't know.
dan friesen
Let's just try and live our lives the best they can.
jordan holmes
These fucking white nationalists, man, they're everywhere.
dan friesen
And Alex.
Seems to see anti-white nationalist boogeymen wherever he goes.
jordan holmes
I wish there were lizard people.
I do, because then you could just explain, oh, they're lizard people, it's reasonable for them.
But no, these are just evil white nationalists.
And I'm not talking about misguided or anything like that.
I think we actually have to say these are bad human beings.
They're human beings who are malevolent.
In their white supremacy.
They're actively trying to subjugate other human beings.
And not in a globalist way, but in a race way.
I don't know how...
The problem with talking about Alex Jones is that you get back into his I know you are, but what am I?
Like, in talking to him, because what he's doing is he's just saying all of the things that are true about him about other people.
So you can't even push it back at him without being like, well, you're just like Alex Jones.
dan friesen
Well, of course.
I mean, the...
The best defense you can use in the world is whatever someone would use against you or describing what people would use against you.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
Because then it just becomes a, like, ha-ha, no.
Right.
jordan holmes
Like, how do you even listen to Alex Jones say things like, the globalists are trying to divide you based upon race, and then he supports Stephen Miller, who wants to divide people based upon race.
Like, how do you even combat that whenever it's like, but no!
Like, what do you say?
dan friesen
Not just support Stephen Miller.
jordan holmes
Vives with him.
dan friesen
Like, the two are on the same wavelength.
That means much more than support.
Anyway, I don't know.
But, you know what?
What we do know is that Alex Jones goes to diners a lot.
jordan holmes
He does.
dan friesen
We know that he goes to Luby's.
jordan holmes
How is Luby's these days?
dan friesen
This is not about Luby's.
jordan holmes
Are those old women still there?
dan friesen
They're there.
They're not doing great.
Actually, apparently they are doing great now.
jordan holmes
Well, now that he's been feeding them.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So in this next clip, Alex talks about going to a different diner.
jordan holmes
Does Alex go to Luby's and then just start sprinkling breadcrumbs on the little desk like an old man for ducks, but it's for old women?
dan friesen
With their handbags and sad faces?
jordan holmes
They just kind of...
Just peck at the bottom of it.
dan friesen
Like that chicken in Moana.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
So, you know, in this next clip, he talks about going to a different diner.
It's a little bit of a nostalgia throwback diner.
And he saw something there that he wants to talk about a little bit.
alex jones
I saw a mural on the wall at a place called Waterloo Ice House.
It's a pretty good little diner.
And I'd been going in there for years, but I never really noticed it just because it was just nostalgic Americana.
I guess an ad for Red X Beer, Red Cross.
They'll pull it in a minute.
And it's a man who's been playing golf.
And a woman with his golf card, his tea card, is handing him a beer.
And he's handing in his card.
And then his wife is kissing him.
So it's the image of a woman bringing you a glass of beer.
You just played golf.
And your beautiful wife or girlfriend's kissing you.
And it's sexist.
It's racist.
It's everything.
And then I knew when I tweeted it.
Of course, it isn't sexist or racist.
It says it's lucky when you live in America.
It's also nationalistic.
And because they're white, it's white nationalist.
And now, I noticed in the comments, leftists said, oh yeah, you're crazy.
Lucky Logger's not even around anymore, as if that even mattered.
jordan holmes
Does any of this matter, Alex?
alex jones
No one's trying to take stuff down like this.
And you can pull up a thousand articles where they're saying, we don't want ads with only white people in it, or there's too many white people in Hollywood, or, and it's the white saying that's creating racial division.
Yeah.
dan friesen
I don't even know what he's talking about.
I don't know what...
jordan holmes
I heard him talk about that ad, and I was like...
Hard pass.
unidentified
Nah.
jordan holmes
You have this one.
I don't even give a shit.
Whatever it is you want this to be, fucking fine.
unidentified
I'm out.
dan friesen
There's like cartoon stuff.
Alex is talking shit.
jordan holmes
I'm like the weird drunk dude and I take a swig and he starts talking and I'm like...
dan friesen
But what he's trying to do is deflect about ideas, I think, that people have about representation.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
And just trying to create a straw man of, like, everyone's attacking this ad that I antagonistically posted on...
jordan holmes
That'll show him!
dan friesen
Right.
Whatever.
Who cares?
In Columbia, there used to be a place called the 63 Diner.
And it was like that.
It was like that kind of diner, that throwback Americana nostalgia.
And it's a little creepy, but not because it's all white people, though mostly it is.
It's just a little creepy because it's like, this is...
I don't like people who recreate the past.
It feels weird.
I wouldn't like a 70s diner either, quite frankly.
jordan holmes
But I wouldn't like a 90s diner.
dan friesen
But also, the other thing is...
jordan holmes
Although, now that I think about it, the Saved by the Bell Diner wasn't bad.
dan friesen
That pop-up?
jordan holmes
Yeah, I would be fine with that one.
A lot of white people in that one, too, though.
dan friesen
He's misrepresenting, too, that people talk about minorities and ads or gay families and ads.
It's people complaining about those ads.
People who are like, why is there a gay couple in my Cheerios commercial?
Or something like that.
unidentified
That's...
dan friesen
The people who are complaining about stuff, there's not...
jordan holmes
Well, it's the war on Christmas all over.
dan friesen
There's generally...
I don't see a whole lot of people who are like, why is Everall on white?
jordan holmes
Nah.
Well, I mean...
But that's a real grievance.
unidentified
Sure.
jordan holmes
Like...
When it becomes consistent.
How many women directors have won Best Director?
Like, of course.
Of course that's an issue.
dan friesen
Absolutely.
jordan holmes
Nobody's...
Like, it's just...
The problem is so large.
dan friesen
But in terms of aggressive complaints, I would argue that the people who are mad about black families or gay families in commercials, they're the ones who complain a bit more.
jordan holmes
They saw Janet Jackson's tit and it all went downhill from there.
It was all over after that.
dan friesen
Well, you could make that argument because wasn't that like the beginning of YouTube?
jordan holmes
That's true.
dan friesen
So you could make the argument that Janet Jackson's tit at the Super Bowl destroyed the world.
jordan holmes
God damn it, Janet!
dan friesen
That's the time ripple.
Justin Timberlake is responsible for the destruction of the world and the rise of white nationalism.
jordan holmes
That sounds right.
I don't have the correlation causation there yet, but that sounds true.
dan friesen
That feels spiritually correct.
jordan holmes
That sounds true, yeah.
I always knew it would be that fucker.
dan friesen
So, Jordan, now we're going to jump into a little bit of business.
jordan holmes
Wait, was he NSYNC or Backstreet Boys?
dan friesen
NSYNC.
jordan holmes
He was NSYNC?
dan friesen
Him, J.C. Chasse, Lance Bass.
jordan holmes
Knew it.
dan friesen
Chris Kirkpatrick.
unidentified
Called it.
dan friesen
And Joey Fatone.
jordan holmes
Called it.
dan friesen
NSYNC.
That's right.
I know all the members of NSYNC.
jordan holmes
NSYNC was the problem from the beginning.
dan friesen
No, Backstreet Boys was way worse.
jordan holmes
I'm just going to point this out.
Did the Temptations cause any race wars?
dan friesen
They didn't.
Lead to a temporal rift.
jordan holmes
See, there we go.
dan friesen
So, fair enough.
jordan holmes
Black boy bands all the time.
dan friesen
So, Jordan.
jordan holmes
I don't want to say that ever again.
dan friesen
Jordan.
jordan holmes
It's a weird thing to say.
dan friesen
Jordan.
jordan holmes
I regret saying that.
dan friesen
Jordan.
jordan holmes
I'm going to take it back.
dan friesen
Jordan.
On our last episode, we talked about...
jordan holmes
They're a doo-wop group is what I'm saying.
dan friesen
You want to get you done?
On our last episode, we talked about Alex ranting about Brian Stelter.
unidentified
Yes.
dan friesen
And one of the things that we know...
that there was a lot of anti-Semitism in there.
Right.
unidentified
We know that.
dan friesen
We also know that he just doesn't like Brian Stelter, period.
jordan holmes
He doesn't like, yeah.
dan friesen
And we also know that some of it was fairly fake in terms of his performative aspects and shit like that.
At the same time, the level of anger that he was expressing felt fairly visceral.
Yeah.
unidentified
And whether or not he's the best actor in the world or...
dan friesen
Or he was really feeling anger.
jordan holmes
It felt like he was actually angry at Brian Seltzer.
dan friesen
The growls, certainly.
Here's the argument that I want to make.
There's two possibilities.
jordan holmes
It's actually Brian Seltzer's fault?
dan friesen
No.
One is that that is his real response.
unidentified
Yes.
dan friesen
And that he is like...
Seltzer!
That.
And if that's the case, then he's not very eloquent, certainly.
He's kind of...
Kind of a gross creep.
And then the other alternative...
jordan holmes
Regardless of your conclusion, that one's true.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
The other alternative is what he's selling now on his show, and he's going to get to in these next few clips, and that is that he was trolling people.
It was satire.
That was all satire.
jordan holmes
It was satire.
dan friesen
Satire is the literal word he uses.
jordan holmes
It was satire.
dan friesen
Satire.
Satire!
jordan holmes
Are you sure he wasn't saying he was playing the sitar?
unidentified
No.
dan friesen
He says it's satire and that he was trolling people.
What's satirical about it?
Nothing.
The argument that he makes is that he was having fun and he was letting himself off the loose.
He was just letting himself loose off the chain.
And if that's the case...
jordan holmes
But that's still not satire.
dan friesen
No, certainly not.
He doesn't know what satire is.
But it gets to my second possibility, and that is that is what happens when he lets himself off the chain.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
dan friesen
And if that's the case, that's even worse.
Because then, when you get off the chain, you spout...
Anti-Semitism.
So, if you're saying that I just let myself go and sort of, yeah, I just feel stuff, then what you feel is anti-Semitic bigotry.
And that's a problem.
jordan holmes
Also, still not satire.
dan friesen
Also, I mean, this isn't going to be fun, but it'll be what it is.
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
Because here's what happens.
Alex Jones covers the Young Turks covering him.
So at the third hour of the show, Alex Jones breaks down them breaking down his rant.
unidentified
Which that could be satire!
jordan holmes
So wait, but then are we going to then break down him breaking down the Young Turks breaking him down?
dan friesen
No, never.
jordan holmes
We're not going to do that.
We're not going to talk about the Young Turks and him breaking down.
dan friesen
Wait, no.
We're going to talk about him breaking down the Young Turks breaking him down.
jordan holmes
So we're breaking down him breaking down the Young Turks breaking him down.
dan friesen
It's important, though.
I thought you meant, are we going to break down the Young Turks inevitably breaking down his breakdown of their breakdown?
jordan holmes
Well, I just want to know when somebody's going to cover our breakdowns.
I want somebody to break down our breakdown of the Young Turks breakdown, of Alex's breakdown, about the Young Turks breakdown, of Alex's literal breakdown wherein he lets himself off the chain.
dan friesen
Cenk, hook us up.
unidentified
So...
jordan holmes
At what point does Alex Jones become a cryptid?
Now, this is a good question.
dan friesen
It's a great question.
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
In this first clip...
jordan holmes
See, I got another plug-in for you.
dan friesen
In this first clip of the rant is where he says that it's satire.
And again, we can very much disagree with that, because no matter what it is, it's not satire.
jordan holmes
It's not satire.
alex jones
They don't understand satire when I go, stelter is literally the face of evil.
He runs your life.
He runs your culture.
He wants to control you.
I'm saying the media.
Skelter is the archetype.
dan friesen
I think he thinks that a metaphor is satire.
That's the only thing I've got to go on so far.
jordan holmes
I mean, either that or hyperbole.
dan friesen
Possibly.
jordan holmes
Or, I mean, what else would you call it?
I suppose synecdoche, if you want to try and use that literary trope wherein he stands for the entirety of the media empire.
dan friesen
Possibly.
Anyway.
alex jones
He looks like the Subway guy.
And I just said, why does the Subway guy look so evil?
dan friesen
Alex did not bring up Jared from Subway at all during that rant.
He's now claiming...
jordan holmes
We got the receipts.
dan friesen
He's claiming that, like, it was satire.
I was just talking about how he looks weird, and it's like the whole media.
Also, I was bringing up Jared looking fucking weird.
Nope.
It was only about Michael Wolfe and Brian Stelter.
alex jones
Why does Stelter look so evil?
Why does Michael Wolfe look so evil?
Okay?
And then they turn this into this whole thing to deceive their viewers to not know what having some fun is, ladies and gentlemen.
Yes, I believe Stelzer's evil.
Yes, I said culturally their bleeding is dry, so they're drunk on the blood of our children's future.
And they go, oh, you're being an actor!
No, I have fun.
When I'm being 100% clear, I'm 100% clear.
When I let myself off the chain, I'm having fun.
dan friesen
So that makes it even less clear.
Because, like, I really do believe these things, and I was having fun.
unidentified
Like, hmm.
jordan holmes
No, yes.
Well, it was satire.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
I mean, I mean what I said.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
And also, I was yelling about it.
And so some people think that I don't mean what I say, that I'm acting.
No, I believe what I said, and I let myself off the chain to say it louder.
dan friesen
Well, that's like...
jordan holmes
That's satire.
dan friesen
Jonathan Swift, a modest proposal, is probably the chief example of satire throughout history.
jordan holmes
No, well, he wrote in all caps, though.
dan friesen
Right, right.
But he didn't just say what he meant aggressively.
unidentified
He didn't say, like, you shouldn't eat children!
dan friesen
He didn't do that.
jordan holmes
Or even if it was still satire, he didn't say, You should eat children!
dan friesen
Right.
I don't understand.
I get what I think he thinks, and that is that, like, hey, I was goofing around, I was hoping to get more attention to myself, and hey, that succeeded.
And I'm going to call it satire.
Right.
Because it sounds smart, and I don't really know what...
jordan holmes
Well, when these dumb dudes say they were being satirical, what they really mean to say is, I thought I was joking.
Or at least...
I'm going to tell you that I was joking, even though I was telling the truth, but if I say I was joking, that sounds like I'm kind of an idiot.
dan friesen
Well, it also implies that any time I show passion or these like, and fake crying and stuff like that, I'm faking it.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
And that kind of invalidates a lot of my passion to the audience.
jordan holmes
But he still believes it.
dan friesen
He totally believes it.
jordan holmes
And he's still doing it.
unidentified
Right.
jordan holmes
He's just letting his real feelings off the chain.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
Satirically.
dan friesen
I don't understand what he means.
It's so frustrating.
jordan holmes
If we...
Okay.
Here's the new thing.
dan friesen
Okay.
jordan holmes
If we ever do interview Alex Jones...
dan friesen
We won't.
jordan holmes
No questions.
Just the definition of satire and slide it over to him.
dan friesen
I mean, just like...
jordan holmes
And just be like, here you go.
End of interview.
dan friesen
I mean, just like...
A good interview with Trump should be fact-based questions and see, like, do you know?
jordan holmes
Yeah, not even a question about anything.
Just be like, what's the electoral college?
dan friesen
What is the UN?
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Those sorts of things would be much more illuminating.
In the same way, if I interviewed Alex, I would just be like, prove the globalists exist.
jordan holmes
No, no, no.
dan friesen
That's too open-ended.
jordan holmes
No, no, absolutely not.
That gets you in trouble.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Anyway, I don't know.
I have to come up with a better strategy.
jordan holmes
I think I would just do with, like, a basic...
dan friesen
Where's NONC?
jordan holmes
That's way too open-ended, because the answer is, small chunks, a lot of different places.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
That way, nobody can prove nothing.
dan friesen
So, in this next clip, Alex admits that, at the beginning, that he was triggered.
That Stelter triggers him.
Which implies that it wasn't so much satire.
It implies that it was a passionate reaction of, I'm good.
So, I mean, I don't know.
Let's see.
And then after this, he gets to starting his coverage of the Young Turks talking about him.
And he, boy, he is not happy about jank.
alex jones
That could be the cover of American Psycho 2. I mean, it's creepy!
And it really triggers me!
But these folks can't even tell the difference.
So if I'm crazy and Trump's crazy, thank God we built our own operations.
We didn't get money from Qatar or from Gulf state dictatorships, bro.
jordan holmes
Actually, your dad's both built your own.
alex jones
So remember that.
Al Gore gave you money.
So in between writing stuff about how women are genetically inferior, I understand.
Derka Derka Muhammad Jihad.
Let's go ahead and play them freaking out.
Here it is.
unidentified
I used to kind of laugh at Alex Jones and his lunacy because I thought, you know, it's partly an act.
The next video, like, really concerned me the most.
It made me super uncomfortable because I feel like there's something...
dan friesen
A good point was made in the chat room that there already was an American Psycho 2. I know!
jordan holmes
I was about to say that.
unidentified
There's something wrong.
jordan holmes
Is he thinking he's going to make a new cover for it?
dan friesen
That's a good point.
unidentified
Anyway, take a look at the video.
Disingenuous fake fools.
jordan holmes
Fake laughing over his fake laugh?
alex jones
Throwback!
unidentified
Question!
alex jones
A defiler!
A betrayer!
A backstabber!
A devil!
You will pay.
Yeah, you think I don't see your face, Tom?
You don't think I don't see you, Skelter?
I see you, you understand me?
I know what you think of me and my family.
I see you right back.
You understand that?
You understand that, Skelter?
jordan holmes
I feel like we've gone too far down the rabbit hole.
This is like a mirror.
dan friesen
The only reason I kept that in there is because you can hear him laughing in the background.
jordan holmes
I know.
dan friesen
He's watching it and laughing and sort of enjoying his work.
But there's also...
I mean this.
I study Alex Jones' body language.
Not his body language.
But I can sort of...
I don't know.
He's such a gifted liar that it's very difficult to tell what's sincere.
But there was a look of like...
Like, there was a discomfort on his face.
jordan holmes
Well, a lot of people don't like to watch themselves.
dan friesen
I think he loves to watch himself.
I think there was a discomfort, and I think it's because he understands that this satire argument is just thin.
jordan holmes
Not good.
dan friesen
The idea that he was trolling, I will give him credit for that.
I think he was aware that, oh man, people are going to share the shit out of this.
unidentified
Oh, absolutely.
dan friesen
People are going to, oh yeah, that's, but the idea that it's satire is not true.
He went on an unhinged anti-Semitic rant.
jordan holmes
Man, I wish she had listened to our show before this.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
She would have...
Really been afraid of Alex Jones a long time ago.
dan friesen
Anna Kasparian?
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
She makes some decent points, and also Cenk gets it a little bit.
He brings up the anti-Semitism.
He brings up blood libel.
jordan holmes
Good!
dan friesen
But he doesn't bring up blood libel in its proper context.
He brings it up as a Nazi rhetorical tool.
But he doesn't bring that...
Alex doesn't play that part on his show.
jordan holmes
No, he doesn't?
dan friesen
No.
jordan holmes
Odd.
dan friesen
He doesn't play that.
unidentified
Strange.
dan friesen
He just screams about Cenk.
But first, he says this, and again.
Think about satire.
unidentified
Just please, God, free us from them!
alex jones
I hate that.
I meant everything I said, but...
unidentified
Yeah.
Don't...
jordan holmes
Why am I surprised?
Words don't mean anything anymore.
dan friesen
Nah, words are bullshit.
jordan holmes
Why would I be surprised at this?
dan friesen
Words are nonsense.
So, Alex, in this next clip, this is still in the stelter reaction shit, he claims that his goal...
He explains what his goal was with the 10-minute unhinged rant that, again, hits on many.
jordan holmes
He had a goal.
dan friesen
Yes, he had a goal.
And here's what his goal was.
alex jones
I had one goal, and that was to get that particular mug in, looking like the Joker everywhere.
unidentified
From the front lines of the information war, it's Alex Jones.
alex jones
And it got picked up all over the news.
And we just watched our audience swell, even though they try to censor us on Facebook, YouTube, Twitter.
Our actual streams, our podcast, our radio stations, the ratings are just...
Because what we do is we go out and punch the globalists in the nose and say stuff like...
Wow, Brian Stelter looks like the former Subway guy.
Just saying.
jordan holmes
He did not say that.
dan friesen
He didn't say that.
It wasn't what he was saying at all.
unidentified
If it was, I don't know.
dan friesen
I don't think it would be different.
I think our point would be the same.
Yeah.
jordan holmes
It wouldn't have gotten as many views, that's for goddamn sure.
dan friesen
Possibly.
I don't think that that's necessarily his goal.
And I would make this argument that...
If his audience swelled, it might be because of people who resonate with one of the more negative pieces of it.
I don't think it's very difficult to grow your audience when you dog whistle really hard.
I don't think that that is that difficult.
jordan holmes
Fox News was number one in the ratings for a long time, baby.
dan friesen
I don't think...
I think if we started...
jordan holmes
Are you saying we should dog whistle?
dan friesen
I'm not.
jordan holmes
How would we dog whistle?
dan friesen
I'm presenting a hypothetical where our audience would grow much faster if we did unhinged rants that were vaguely, I guess, technically not racist, but bigoted.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
If we just did, like, real vaguely bigoted rants, I think we could probably grow this a lot quicker.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's probably true.
dan friesen
And look, I gotta pay rent.
jordan holmes
Minor progressive.
I don't have any bigoted rants for you.
dan friesen
Be fair, you have some bigoted rants against whites.
jordan holmes
Well, yeah, but they have a coming.
dan friesen
And it's just balancing out, Alex, quite frankly.
jordan holmes
No, I don't genuinely believe that.
dan friesen
Of course not.
jordan holmes
That white people have anything to do with it.
I just think that white people are the cause of all of our problems.
dan friesen
So in this next clip, Alex Jones.
He did this during the actual episode that the rant was in from the 5th.
He claims that he can't do that evil smile.
And now for fun, he does it again.
alex jones
Did I say Stelter should be taken off the air?
No, I said Stelter has the look in criminology known as the Joker when a psychopath doesn't know how they look and they're trying to smile.
They always have that smile.
And I'm not a psychopath, so I can't do it.
I am a maniac.
I'm a berserker.
I love liberty.
I'm ready to fight.
Intellectually.
But let me just try it.
dan friesen
So now he's trying to do the smile.
jordan holmes
Yeah, and he's nailing it.
alex jones
He can't even do it.
unidentified
It's like a...
dan friesen
And while he's doing it, there are long pauses here, but while he's doing it, on the screen they're flashing up pictures of Stelter, then Jared from Subway.
Stelter, Jared from Subway.
In a subconscious attempt to combine the two in your head.
Because now he's moved on from, he looks like Michael Wolff.
Now it's...
jordan holmes
Now it's Jared from Subway.
dan friesen
Right, and he's trying to create that association, and it's very clear that it's intentional by how this clip ends.
unidentified
Listen to this.
jordan holmes
Did they put up, like, a disclaimer on the bottom, like, may cause seizures?
dan friesen
No, but it wasn't that fast.
But also, it's intentional.
Listen to how this clip ends.
This is him still trying to do the face.
unidentified
Is he gonna?
alex jones
I can't even do it.
I mean, I just can't do it.
I mean, can you imagine if that guy came to your door wanting to date your daughter?
dan friesen
That's ridiculous.
That's absurd.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I don't have a daughter.
dan friesen
First of all.
Second of all, he's trying to create and couple the association of Jared Fogle, who is a pedophile and belongs in prison where he is, and Brian Stelter, who Alex just disagrees with?
jordan holmes
Well, yeah.
dan friesen
I don't know.
I don't know.
Again, the thing about Oprah at the beginning of this, I think it's close to legally actionable.
This is repugnant, but totally allowable.
alex jones
Yeah.
dan friesen
You can totally get away with this, but it's repugnant behavior in terms of someone who claims to be running a straight shooting operation.
jordan holmes
Straight shooting.
dan friesen
Straight shooting.
I'm going to try and associate this guy who I don't like with a pedophile.
Great.
So, in this next clip.
So throughout this, he's been yelling about Cenk quite a bit.
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
And it's hard to get away from the idea that Cenk is someone of Arabic descent.
It's tough to get away from the fact that Alex thinks he's a Muslim.
Because he does.
And he's not.
unidentified
No.
dan friesen
Cenk is an atheist.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
But Alex thinks he's an Islamist.
And that might be...
jordan holmes
Yeah, but all atheists are Islamists in his mind.
dan friesen
Right, but that might be informing why he's...
Kind of mad about it and why he's covering their coverage of him.
Because it could have chosen a bunch of people's coverage.
jordan holmes
What color is the skin?
dan friesen
Brown.
jordan holmes
He's angry.
dan friesen
Right.
And so in this next clip, he reveals something very fucked up because he's responding defensively about the West.
And he says this.
alex jones
I mean, I get the Islamists just want to burn down the West and take it over and put the women back with hoods on their heads and sell them on slave blocks because they're...
Genetically inferior, according to you and your master male race theory.
And that's why Linda Saussure and the Islamicists are force-fed by your network and by the left, because they're going to bring women into total bondage.
And out of the West, out of freedom, where the West is all about the goddess, you want to get really occultic.
I mean, what you have is a satanic, monotheistic, anti-female system coming into the West that's Christian and Judeo.
But also in its base ethos, goddess worship.
That's what our country's named after.
It's what Europe's named after.
It's what's on top of all the buildings.
It's what it's all really about is chivalry and women.
And you come in, a big bloated jihadi.
And you tell us how you're going to take care of the women, you spiritually ugly creature.
jordan holmes
You're telling us how you're going to take care of the women.
alex jones
Because you're a stunted demonic blob.
You know you're fallen.
dan friesen
Now, is that satire?
jordan holmes
I think that's projection.
dan friesen
Oh, it's definitely projection.
You're a disgusting fallen blob.
You're fallen.
You're evil.
Is that satire?
I have to ask that now.
But also, that whole thing is fucking stupid.
jordan holmes
That's weird.
dan friesen
That is so...
It's such an infantile version of...
jordan holmes
Dan, hand raise.
dan friesen
Hold on.
Let me look around the class.
jordan holmes
Jordan.
Yeah, okay.
Judeo-Christianity never had any issues with women?
unidentified
No.
jordan holmes
Oh, okay, well then, question retracted, sir.
dan friesen
And, of course, Islam is based on hating women, which it's not.
jordan holmes
But, as everybody knows, what America and the West is really about is the goddess?
unidentified
Uh-huh.
jordan holmes
Which one?
Just a regular one?
dan friesen
Well, Europe's named after Europa, right?
Right.
I'm gonna guess.
I don't know the full lineage.
I always thought that America was named after Amerigo Vespucci.
jordan holmes
No, it's not.
dan friesen
No?
unidentified
Nope.
dan friesen
I always thought that because I...
I heard it sometime, and I just agreed.
jordan holmes
No, like most people, I don't think historians still don't agree why America is called America.
Like, it could be this dude named Americ.
It could be all kinds of shit.
unidentified
I'm going Vespucci.
jordan holmes
You're going with Vespucci?
unidentified
Yeah, hell yeah.
jordan holmes
I gotta apologize to the Vespucci as well today.
dan friesen
I like the name, and so I'm keeping it.
unidentified
Okay.
jordan holmes
Fair.
That's a good call.
dan friesen
I think that it's infantilizing to a certain degree, this idea of, first of all, the idea that our civilization is based on goddess worship, which he's trying to apply to old-time versions of chivalry, which are...
jordan holmes
Middle Ages.
dan friesen
Which is controlling.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
It's a controlling worldview as much as whatever he complains about in the East.
jordan holmes
By putting a woman on a pedestal, you are making it impossible for her to be your equal.
dan friesen
And for her to live up to the standards you have set for her, and then you get to punish her when she doesn't.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
dan friesen
There's a very fun game you get to play with aggressive chivalry.
jordan holmes
Hey, it's great.
dan friesen
Yeah, it's super fun.
Love it.
jordan holmes
Which is a weird thing for him to say when he's like, you're telling us how to control women.
He's like, no!
unidentified
No!
jordan holmes
That's you!
dan friesen
Right.
It's very messed up.
It's very messed up.
So, in this next clip, Alex...
You know, he's big on personal responsibility.
We know that.
That's a big part of his worldview.
jordan holmes
For everybody else.
dan friesen
Right.
Because in this clip, he blames literally everybody for his custody battle other than himself.
alex jones
The left all came, hundreds of reporters, trying to move the jury to take my children away from me.
They failed.
And they said I shouldn't have kids, and these very shows said it.
So they all play dumb when his wife is a CPS operative.
So they all set up their plan, they know exactly they hate our families, they hate bitter clingers, they hate flyover country, and they personally tried to destroy my life.
And these scumbags talked about it themselves, but now they're going to play dumb.
dan friesen
He's talking about the Young Turks.
Yes.
That they had talked about it back then, and now they're going to play dumb.
When, I mean, come on, Alex.
You can't possibly think that's reality.
You and your behavior have got you where you are.
You and your ex-wife, you got divorced.
alex jones
Right.
jordan holmes
And that's just a regular thing.
dan friesen
It is.
jordan holmes
Like, that's a thing.
dan friesen
It is.
And a custody hearing is kind of a part of it.
And I don't know the truth of it, because, again, I don't particularly care about people's personal lives, because there's so many variables.
You don't really know what's going on.
It's impossible to make a comment on stuff like that.
jordan holmes
And both of us openly were like...
Maybe he is a good father.
dan friesen
I don't fucking give a shit.
It seems hard to believe, but it's possible.
jordan holmes
Who knows?
If this all is an act, maybe he's not a piece of shit.
I don't know.
dan friesen
The thing that it comes down to for me is that, again, there's only two possibilities.
It's either the assertions that his ex-wife has made are true or they're not.
And he was still married to her for eight years or whatever, ten years.
And this is, unfortunately, a piece that comes along with that.
jordan holmes
None of my business.
dan friesen
Right, none of my business, but it's not the liberal media that came down to try and take your kids away.
Own up to your life.
jordan holmes
I don't want his kids taken away from him.
I want his livelihood, his home, everything he's ever known and loved.
Oh, no, I think I'm on the side of kids taking away from him.
dan friesen
Take out his eyes.
jordan holmes
He's going to travel back in time.
alex jones
Back to the guy whose ancestors took down...
Constantinople and turn it into an Islamic hellhole.
Let's go back to him.
jordan holmes
The guy whose ancestors took down Constantinople.
Does he understand any part of the history of Constantinople?
dan friesen
He doesn't, because it was taken over by people consistently throughout history.
It's a very strategically important...
jordan holmes
It's kind of a regular thing.
It just went back and forth.
dan friesen
All the fucking time.
alex jones
Let's go back to the guy that...
You know what?
I'll give Sink this.
You have conquered the heart of Christendom, the Eastern Empire.
You actually almost took down Christianity.
So I'll say that.
You're a dangerous foe, you young Turk.
Let's go back to him.
dan friesen
So then, you know, great.
jordan holmes
Wait, is he talking about the actual Turks and not Muslims then?
dan friesen
He's talking about...
He goes on a lot of stuff about how they're named after people who were involved in the Armenian genocide.
And stuff like that.
I don't want to unpack that.
Look, I'm not sitting here defending Cenk.
Not necessarily.
I don't know.
We even talked about that thing about his writing from when he was younger.
I accept his apology.
I wasn't wronged by it.
But his apology seems credible.
But at the same time, I'm not off the hook for that.
It seems very weird that he named his organization the Young Turks.
jordan holmes
Very weird.
dan friesen
But you know what?
Rod Stewart had a song called Young Turks.
unidentified
Young hearts be free tonight.
jordan holmes
Now.
unidentified
Time is on your side.
jordan holmes
Theory.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
Rod Stewart took over Constantinople.
dan friesen
Possible.
Also, another theory, Cenk Uygur named his channel after a Rod Stewart song.
jordan holmes
That's also possible.
dan friesen
I don't know.
jordan holmes
That's a larger question that we need to get to the bottom of.
dan friesen
I have no idea.
jordan holmes
We need to get to the bottom of this.
dan friesen
Yeah, so he's mad about that stuff.
Anyway, it's only important because it feeds into this next clip.
unidentified
There's a very scary and concerning level of paranoia there.
alex jones
No, hit pause.
I hate you.
I know you hate me.
No more games.
You are the enemy.
Got that, scum?
You got that?
You acted real tough when there was about 15 of your crew threatening to kick my ass.
I was so scared, too.
At that point, I was laughing at you all to punk you.
I was in control.
Not you.
Not you.
Now go back!
To Istanbul!
What you've already captured!
You will not capture this area!
dan friesen
Is that satire?
jordan holmes
That's...
I mean, he was exhibiting the exact paranoia and fear that she was pointing out.
dan friesen
Is that satire?
jordan holmes
You know what?
dan friesen
Go back to Istanbul.
jordan holmes
Let's see.
dan friesen
No, that's racism.
jordan holmes
No, you know what?
I could actually, you could make a case for that being satire.
Because he exhibited the very paranoia and fear that she accused him of.
So if he was doing that satirically, then yes.
I'm going to go with, you've got, I'm going to go with a maybe.
dan friesen
Now hold on.
jordan holmes
Not the Istanbul part, but she goes, there's a level of fear and paranoia and he goes.
No, I hate you!
You think I'm scared of you!
alex jones
I've always been in control!
jordan holmes
I hate everybody!
I am in control of everything!
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Oh, yeah, that's pretty paranoid.
dan friesen
But at the same time, so if he is being satirical, then the point that he's trying to make...
jordan holmes
Oh, no, no, no.
I'm not saying he's being satirical.
I'm saying that in a vacuum...
dan friesen
No, no, no, no.
I get that.
But I'm saying that if we apply his belief about himself that he's using satire...
Then the only conclusion you can come away from, that being satire, is, hey, these young Turks are...
They're totally right.
jordan holmes
That's true.
unidentified
That's a good point.
dan friesen
He can't claim satire on this one.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
But also what he's talking about there is when Jimmy Dore spit on him during a Young Turks thing during the, I believe it was...
jordan holmes
Wait, was he literally spat on him?
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
That's pretty funny.
dan friesen
It was during the campaign and there was maybe during one of the conventions or something like that.
And hey, fuck Jimmy Dore.
All right?
So there.
Well, I don't care.
I think it was horrible that he spit on Alex Jones, but also understandable.
jordan holmes
I'd spit on him.
dan friesen
I wouldn't.
I think...
That does border into assault territory.
Anyway, I don't support Jimmy Dore, necessarily, so I'm not going to say anything other than, Alex, you gotta do better with your screaming than, I was in control.
Because that makes me think you're not now, nor were you.
jordan holmes
That's what somebody who's not in control says.
dan friesen
I'm not freaking out!
That sort of thing.
jordan holmes
Who's yelling now?
Oh, no.
Shit.
dan friesen
Shit.
unidentified
Whoops.
jordan holmes
Whoops-a-doodle.
dan friesen
So, in this next clip, Alex is talking about...
He kind of admits to being theatrical.
jordan holmes
Uh-huh.
dan friesen
Which, great.
But he also...
I'll just tell you ahead of time.
He keeps calling Cenk Uygur son, which is a weird twist for his verbiage.
I don't...
jordan holmes
I don't like that.
dan friesen
I don't think it's necessarily, like...
jordan holmes
Racist?
dan friesen
Maybe not intentionally, but again, it goes back to, like, that's pretty dog-whistling.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
Because he doesn't usually call people son.
Doesn't usually do that kind of naming.
jordan holmes
No, he's a step away from boy.
dan friesen
Right.
Very much so.
alex jones
Was I a bit theatrical about my spazzing out about it?
You bet.
That's what I do, son.
It's how Trump controls the news cycle, son.
You were just given your stuff by Gulf states and propped up.
Force-fed by Google, everybody.
You weren't successful in the world of talk radio with high ratings, the highest, number one in Austin.
dan friesen
Also, just for fun, I found...
jordan holmes
You looked up who the number one radio station in Austin is?
dan friesen
I looked at archived page of Infowars.com back from like 1999 or 98, and he and someone else tied for Best in Austin.
So I don't even know who that show was, but even that is kind of dubious, that he had the best ratings.
Very difficult to dig that up at this point.
alex jones
To get launched and syndicated when I was 22. You don't understand running your own company.
You understand how to be a minion of the Nazi collaborator George Soros.
dan friesen
Uh-oh.
He does run his own company.
That's weird.
I don't know.
I don't know.
I don't really care anymore.
He's not self-made.
This is all such nonsense.
We've got two more clips.
This next one, Alex uses a pretty serious straw man.
Like I said, on the actual clip, if Alex watched the whole thing, he knows that eventually Cenk brings up blood libel.
And he brings up how all of the things that Alex is using, all of these deceitful, betrayer, backstabber, these are all sort of historical characterizations of Jews.
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
And it's not coincidental that most of the rant was appearance-based.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
And so on that...
I think Cenk did a pretty decent job of sussing out what was going on.
Now, they fucked up a little bit in terms of they got off track on some of their assessment.
Alex calls them broke back, and they're like, he's calling them gay.
They get sidetracked on some of that stuff and not really taking things in the proper context.
But they do do a decent job of that.
Like I said, he brings up the blood libel, which at least is a nice start.
Alex has to know that that's coming up eventually.
So he cuts off the clip and strawmans the hell out of it in this next clip.
unidentified
Okay, my guess is he thought those guys, right?
And so we're going to get more here in a second, and there's going to be more stereotypes, more of these tropes that you've seen in history.
So this is some pretty dark stuff.
alex jones
Oh, my gosh.
Hey, free shipping store-wide, last day to get it, biggest sales we've ever had.
dan friesen
I tricked you.
He didn't straw man anything.
jordan holmes
Free shipping is coming up now.
God damn it!
That one I did not see coming.
That one I did not.
dan friesen
That was out of nowhere.
What's fascinating about it, though, too, is that what he's doing is he's allowing Cenk to say that, but not to explain what he means by that, which is bringing up blood libel, which is bringing up these historical characterizations of Jews.
And in doing so, he's allowed this soundbite to be a mischaracterization of what Cenk is saying, and then he just laughs.
And so to his audience's ears...
They think, oh, this is all nonsense.
Alex is laughing this off.
It's nothing.
jordan holmes
Well, he can't let him explain what Alex is doing.
dan friesen
Right.
And that leads me to believe that Alex is more aware of this than actually we think.
I think he might be pretty well aware that most of his rhetoric has a very much anti-Semitic basis.
And I think that for a long time we've been...
Giving a pass to it being...
He's oblivious to the history of the narratives he's spitting.
But I'm not sure we can give him that pass.
jordan holmes
Well, regardless of that, at the very least, he's aware of how damaging it would be to have those things played on his own show.
dan friesen
Certainly.
jordan holmes
And he couldn't really come up with a rebuttal to that.
Like, if he played it on his own show...
dan friesen
It would be tough.
jordan holmes
What is he going to say?
Like, no, it's not blood libel.
You're blood libel.
dan friesen
It's difficult to be, like...
He can't really wrestle with the idea that...
Why do you think these people drink blood?
Like, why do you think that?
Can you prove that?
What do you have that proves that?
And the only thing he could point to is conspiracy sites that all are informed by the archaic anti-Semitism.
So that's the only thing he could go on.
He can't wrestle with that past saying it.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's not a good defense.
No, I know they drink blood!
Listen to these anti-Semites over here tell you.
unidentified
Now look, just because they're anti-Semitic, don't throw the baby out with the backwater.
jordan holmes
Anti-Semites can be right.
Look, broken anti-Semites can be right twice a day.
dan friesen
I'm sure there would be some sort of rationalization like that.
But anyway, here's the last clip, and I think it's a decent wraparound of all of this horse shit.
jordan holmes
Free shipping.
alex jones
The future is ours.
The future is solved.
If we simply embrace God's plan and be good, decent, honorable people, it doesn't mean going to church and telling people how good you are and listening to some little glitter bug preacher up there.
But it really does mean not being a scumbag and not being jealous of people for no reason and not trying to scam people and treating people like you want to be treated.
That's what it really comes down to.
But it just shows the delusion of the sinking young turds.
And mainstream media and their whole broke-back system.
We're rising despite all the censorship.
They're falling.
No one's reporting on them.
They're reporting on us.
They're not having congressional hearings about them.
They're having them about us.
Because we carry the light in the dark of the night and we're willing to execute and not give up.
And not give in and not falter and not waver and not cower.
dan friesen
So he's presenting Infowars as a victim there, but the other thing is...
Yeah, most news organizations aren't being investigated and put under the microscope because most aren't committing crimes.
Well, even crimes aside, they aren't just spouting consistent hate speech.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Like, there's no other way to take so much of the stuff he says.
It's all white identity, all white victimhood, all male fragility.
That's all that is underneath any of this.
And anti-Semitism.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
And those things...
Like, that is why people care what you say, Alex.
It's not because anyone thinks you're right.
The only people who think you're right are bigots.
jordan holmes
I love the...
I mean, I think he is telling the truth when he says he tries to treat people the way he wants to be treated.
dan friesen
He wants to be screamed at?
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Oh, okay.
jordan holmes
I think he does.
Like, I think he genuinely feels like this is how he deserves to be treated.
unidentified
Oh, yeah, that's possible.
jordan holmes
Like, if you want to get into...
dan friesen
One of those BDSM type things?
jordan holmes
Yeah, if you want to get into a psych profile there, I think...
He's definitely got like a, no, this is how you communicate love!
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
It's possible.
That kind of thing.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Anyway, I have one more clip.
I lied because I forgot to play the Out of Context drop from earlier.
And I want to play it because I think it really sums up why people shouldn't casually address Alex Jones.
Like, I think you need to know what he's talking about in order to have a conversation about him or else you're going to fall into his traps.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
This is from a commercial he plays on the show where he and Roger Stone go shooting guns.
And so they're shooting a bunch of guns.
And he says this.
unidentified
I think this video is going to trigger leptards.
jordan holmes
Great.
dan friesen
That sums it up.
jordan holmes
Great.
dan friesen
He's really excited about the idea that him and Roger Stone are going to trigger libtards with guns.
jordan holmes
Which is great, but when he gets triggered...
dan friesen
Then it turns into a whole ordeal where he spouts anti-Semitic ideas and then gets mad at a guy who he thinks is Muslim for criticizing him about it.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
Yeah, great.
Anyway, you can go to our website, knowledgefight.com.
jordan holmes
You can!
We have free shipping on all of our...
dan friesen
Free shipping on policy wonk statuses.
If you click support the show.
jordan holmes
Anyway.
Follow us on Twitter, at knowledge underscore fight.
dan friesen
Correct.
We're on Facebook.
jordan holmes
And what's that other place?
We're on the iTunes.
dan friesen
Yeah, that's right.
jordan holmes
That's where you can find us.
dan friesen
Download, subscribe, leave reviews, all that good stuff.
jordan holmes
And then, Dan, I mean, who is it today?
Like, just today.
dan friesen
I think it's Steve Miller.
Steve Miller can go fuck himself.
You piece of shit.
alex jones
Andy in Kansas, you're on the air.
Thanks for holding.
unidentified
Hello, Alex.
I'm a first-time caller.
I'm a huge fan.
I love your work.
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