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#115: January 2, 2018

Today, Dan tells Jordan all about what happens on the first episode of The Alex Jones Show of 2018. Folks may have expected Alex to turn over a new leaf in the new year and maybe stop lying so much. Those folks would be wrong. However, Alex does start 2018 with a bunch of ridiculous impressions, so we will call that a win.

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alex jones
22:24
d
dan friesen
01:09:16
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jordan holmes
30:24
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donald j trump
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Speaker Time Text
alex jones
Andy in Kansas, you're on the air.
Thanks for holding.
unidentified
Hello, Alex.
I'm a first-time caller.
I'm a huge fan.
I love your work.
alex jones
I love you.
dan friesen
Hey, everybody.
Welcome back to Knowledge Fight.
I'm Dan.
jordan holmes
I'm Jordan.
dan friesen
We're a couple dudes who like to sit around, drink novelty beverages, and talk a little bit about Alex Jones.
jordan holmes
Yes, indeed.
And after a year, I look back and think about how we started drinking...
Three bottles of wine every night.
dan friesen
We had much more antioxidants back in those days.
We were very...
We would survive longer.
jordan holmes
That was when we found out that you know a lot about Alex Jones.
dan friesen
And you...
jordan holmes
Don't know anything about Alex Jones.
dan friesen
A year ago literally knew nothing.
jordan holmes
Yes.
Now I know too much.
dan friesen
This is the show where we...
Drink novelty, but we're just going to talk about Alex Jones.
jordan holmes
Indeed.
dan friesen
But I was thinking about it, and it is our anniversary.
We've been doing this literally for a year now.
jordan holmes
One year perfectly.
dan friesen
A lot of podcasts in a year put out maybe 52 episodes.
Some podcasts put out like 20-something or whatever.
We put out like 120.
jordan holmes
140?
Something stupid.
dan friesen
Put out way too many episodes.
This is ridiculous.
I don't know what we're trying to prove here.
jordan holmes
We've got a pretty big back catalog.
dan friesen
I was thinking about it, though, and I realized that...
jordan holmes
Yeah, a lot of people celebrate their 100th episode and we're like, dude, I don't even know when that happened.
We put out too many.
dan friesen
Yeah, it happened and we didn't notice it.
But I was thinking back about it, and I realized that one of the things that is kind of interesting to reflect on is that had that first episode on January 2nd of 2017 not been...
Canary, the sun.
alex jones
Canary in the coal mine.
The globalists wouldn't move against Netanyahu, as WikiLeaks shows they're planning to do, via Soros, if they weren't planning to have people ready to imprison him or kill him if he starts trying to spill the beans on stuff.
Because Netanyahu's been involved in everything.
Good, bad, ugly, you name it.
And if they move against Netanyahu, that means they're moving against Trump.
Bet your bottom buck.
Woo!
I mean, this is in a red-able.
Just red alert, red alert, red alert.
This is getting crazy.
jordan holmes
Okay.
alex jones
This is so frickin' out of control.
It's time to pray.
Our Heavenly Father, please help us.
jordan holmes
Oh, fuck!
dan friesen
If that had not happened, there's a decent chance that we would have been like, this guy's just an angry, insane person.
And we might not have ended up going down this road as we have.
jordan holmes
Oh, man, I remember that now.
I lost my shit.
dan friesen
Nothing better than...
jordan holmes
It's time to pray.
dan friesen
Long pause.
It's time to pray.
jordan holmes
Dear Heavenly Father.
So good.
dan friesen
So, Jordan, here in 2018, I intend to make some different approaches in the show.
The show itself will probably be about the same, but there's some things I'm going to try and implement that I think will help us moving forward.
And one of them is I'm taking a much...
Closer look at a lot of Alex Jones' primary sources and villains.
jordan holmes
Our rogues gallery, so to speak?
dan friesen
Yeah, yeah, for sure.
And on the website, on knowledgefight.com, we have the first post up of these.
And it is an exploration of the Club of Rome.
It's a group that Alex thinks is some sort of evil globalist group.
I went and read a bunch of their documents and discussed why he's a liar about them.
And there will be way more of this in this year.
I'm very excited.
I hope people come along.
jordan holmes
Are you trying to make me feel even more inadequate?
I post once a week.
dan friesen
No.
jordan holmes
And you're like, okay, I'll put out 6 to 12 articles every single day.
And I'm going to do all the research myself as well.
dan friesen
It's not that.
It's more that Alex in present day is boring me, and it's more fun for me to dive back into these primary sources where I can try and actually find some little kernels of truth and figure out where he is, why he is misrepresenting various things.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right.
dan friesen
It's intellectually way more interesting than hearing him scream about nothing.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Which is what we're going to be going over today.
jordan holmes
It's time to pray.
dan friesen
It is.
It is time to pray.
Also, update.
Yeah.
I have started researching for our first breakdown of one of his documentaries.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
We'll be doing Endgame first.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
Because that's the one he brings up the most.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
And let me tell you, Jordan, I got 16 seconds into the documentary before I had to go read an entire book.
So that's the level of shit we're diving into.
jordan holmes
Sounds right.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So, anyway, the point is, we've got a lot of stuff coming down the pike, and it's very exciting.
But today...
jordan holmes
Coming down the pike?
dan friesen
Pike?
Pike?
Pipe?
Around the pike.
jordan holmes
Is that what you've always...
Have you always been saying, coming down the pike?
dan friesen
Now that you've put me on the spot, I don't know.
jordan holmes
I think you have.
dan friesen
Might have.
Anyway.
Today, we're going to be going over the January 2nd, 2018 episode.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
That would be today's, as we're recording this.
jordan holmes
Indeed.
dan friesen
Here on Tuesday.
But before we do, I'd like to give a shout-out to someone who is now a foreign policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Oh, shit!
dan friesen
Someone has upped their donation, and we very much appreciate it.
So this is a shout-out going out to you, Andrew.
Thank you so much.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
unidentified
Four stars.
Go home to your mother and tell her you're brilliant.
dan friesen
Thank you so much.
jordan holmes
Thank you so much, Andrew.
dan friesen
If you'd like to become a policy wonk or a foreign policy wonk, you can go to our website, knowledgefight.com, click the support the show button, and you will achieve some sort of wonkery status.
jordan holmes
And, Andrew, if you raise it up by five cents, we all get to hear about a bag full of poo.
dan friesen
Yeah, you do.
So, Jordan.
Today?
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
January 2nd.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
We've not encountered Alex Jones in the present for a little bit.
It's been a while.
We've been over holiday and what have you.
unidentified
And...
dan friesen
He's Alex.
You think 2018 is going to be different for him?
No.
He's doing the same show.
jordan holmes
I don't know.
Maybe he turns over a new leaf.
dan friesen
Nope.
jordan holmes
Maybe in 2018 he decides what he really wanted to do a show about was...
Relative gardening skills.
dan friesen
No, he does not do that.
jordan holmes
He's got a green thumb, from what I've heard.
dan friesen
Our novelty beverage today is Arnold Palmer, half and half zero calories.
jordan holmes
That's what we do.
dan friesen
He's going to stop grilling us about it.
Anyway, let's get to this show.
We've got an out-of-context drop to start things off, which is actually Alex Jones addressing a very hot topic.
jordan holmes
Okay.
alex jones
All that UFO news was obviously put out as a distraction from the Trump agenda.
unidentified
Okay.
dan friesen
Okay.
jordan holmes
All right.
dan friesen
Okay.
unidentified
Wait.
jordan holmes
I mean, I guess?
dan friesen
His position on it, you could sum up as, we've all known those UFOs exist.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I think that's what he kind of sounds like.
He's like, ah, we've heard about that news before.
dan friesen
No, totally.
jordan holmes
UFOs are real.
dan friesen
No, that's 100% his take on it.
jordan holmes
Trump is trying to bring aliens back to the United States after they have been offshoring all of their tax dollars.
dan friesen
Trump is trying to get these holographic med beds going.
We don't need to be hearing about this bullshit.
jordan holmes
Oh, yeah.
dan friesen
Anyway.
jordan holmes
Oh, man.
I can't wait for the New York Times to finally really get to the bottom of the spider leadership.
dan friesen
Oh, that'd be great.
jordan holmes
They have been fucking with us this whole time.
dan friesen
They say that spider leadership is not a big deal.
Fake news!
So, in this first clip we're going to be playing, this is where Alex sort of starts off the show.
And it's actually, I would say, in a very weird place.
He's in a weird place.
And it might be a little bit unexpected.
jordan holmes
A little hungover?
alex jones
Roger Stone's talked about this.
I've looked at...
How Trump's businesses are set up.
And so on the surface, he's probably only worth a couple billion dollars in liquid cash.
But when it comes to buildings and infrastructure and things he owns, it's probably 30, 40 billion.
But Trump knows that that'll make it look like he's not successful in the big grouping of other billionaires.
And that's why he doesn't release his tax returns.
They've been released in the past.
That's exactly what they show.
Last time was, what, 10 years ago?
But if you look at the type of business he has, then you understand why he wants an American first policy.
He's about actual infrastructure, actual property, actual service-based economy.
And to have that, you've got to have a good industrial-based society, a wealthy society.
So Trump does well off of Americans doing well.
He does well.
He's not a globalist that wants vertical integration and to have a post-industrial world with a mass of people poor.
But I wish he would release his tax returns now, not just federally, but at a state-by-state basis.
In fact, I would advise the president, people need to get him this message.
I know he has people that monitor the broadcast and give him a synopsis.
He needs to release, say, his New York state returns or his New Jersey returns or something like that, state returns to show The amounts.
I'll guarantee you he's paying hundreds of millions of dollars in property tax in those states that he then gets to ride off federally.
dan friesen
Yeah, that's not a good guarantee for him to make.
jordan holmes
No, I would not guarantee that.
dan friesen
I do love the idea that he's starting off the year with like...
Trump, you should release your tax returns, but just on a completely different level.
Just on the exact opposite.
jordan holmes
Again, you're right, but you're doing it wrongly.
dan friesen
Well, it's like, also, be careful what you wish for.
Because I think if those tax returns come...
I mean, look, here's the bottom line.
If Alex Jones is correct in what he's saying...
In terms of like, oh yeah, if Trump released his returns, you'd see he's losing so much money on this tax bill.
Those returns would have been released already.
He would have plastered the internet with those fucking tax returns and been like, look how much of a victim I am.
I care about you.
jordan holmes
Of course.
Of course.
dan friesen
And the fact that that hasn't happened, none of it has happened, and the fact that Alex is basing this on stuff he's talked about with Roger Stone means that it's all not true.
unidentified
No.
dan friesen
Absolutely not true.
jordan holmes
Although, maybe we find out that the tax bill really does hurt him because he actually is almost worth as much as you or I. And everything is dead.
dan friesen
These tax things don't affect me at all because I'm worth shit.
Yeah, exactly.
You can't do anything to me.
jordan holmes
The tax bill does not affect people who do not pay taxes because we're too poor.
dan friesen
Because we're exempt from less than $5,000 a year.
jordan holmes
Now, the only way it does affect us is insofar as we will not have roads very soon.
dan friesen
Sure, there will be infrastructure problems, which is interesting that Alex brings up that in his calculus of Trump's what makes him do well.
unidentified
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
He does well on a property-based service economy, which I think means he likes it when people work in his buildings.
dan friesen
I would, if I were him.
jordan holmes
Let's see how much he pays the people who work in his fucking buildings, man.
dan friesen
I think that would help us understand what he probably puts back into society.
But then, at the same time...
You know, analyses have been done of his businesses that show that he's largely just shifting debt around.
Like, that's more what his business model is.
jordan holmes
Yeah, he's broke.
dan friesen
And constantly rips off contractors, constantly abuses people who can't fight back against him, much like Alex, stealing the Hillary for prison bumper sticker from a bumper sticker he saw.
You really start to get the sense that there's so much more of a spiritual connection between...
Trump and Alex Jones in terms of the kind of scam artists they are.
unidentified
Right, right, right.
dan friesen
That I don't think we necessarily tapped into early on.
But I think there's a lot more of that than we knew.
But anyway.
jordan holmes
How much liquid cash do you think he has?
dan friesen
Alex or Trump?
jordan holmes
Trump.
Like, if you ask Trump...
unidentified
75 bucks?
jordan holmes
Yeah, I was going to say.
I was like, if you ask Trump to buy you a cup of coffee, would he be like...
Let me check my credit card to see...
I think I might have reached the limit on this one.
dan friesen
How do you think about Folgers?
Yeah.
And then the other thing in that clip...
jordan holmes
Instant coffee isn't as good, but let me tell you something.
dan friesen
It's quick.
jordan holmes
It is fast.
dan friesen
The other thing that I think is really fantastic is this...
He's like, look!
unidentified
You know...
He's not going to put out his tax returns because then they'd show...
jordan holmes
He's too rich!
dan friesen
But he's not rich enough compared to these globalist billionaires.
unidentified
Right, right, right.
dan friesen
He has his pride to consider.
He doesn't want to be seen as being lower down on the list.
jordan holmes
I don't even know what that means.
dan friesen
I don't either, but I think it's what Roger told him.
I think that's a reasonable psychopathic explanation for it.
And he's just like, huh.
Okay.
unidentified
I believe it.
jordan holmes
I think billionaires probably do know, considering they probably own most of his shit.
Like, that's the thing that makes the most sense to me.
Billionaires are looking at Trump being like...
dan friesen
What an asshole.
jordan holmes
You're never going to be a billionaire.
You say you're a billionaire.
You aren't now.
It's never going to happen for you.
alex jones
Nope.
dan friesen
So, the episode goes on, and he actually does...
We'll get back to it later.
He says that he should release his taxes a second time, which is like...
Interesting, that's not just something you...
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's weird.
dan friesen
Not something you tossed off.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
But one of the things that I was like...
It's kind of going back and forth through most of the episode while I was listening to it.
Like, are we going to cover this?
Are we going to go back to the past?
What are we going to do?
And one of the things that really encouraged me to be like, no, we've got to go over this, is that today is a day full of Alex Jones doing impressions.
jordan holmes
All right.
dan friesen
He does a lot of impressions.
jordan holmes
All right, now I'm in.
dan friesen
He is like...
He's coming in hot.
I don't know what happened over the holiday that's just like, I gotta get some voice acting work.
unidentified
I gotta come back on InfoWars.
Disney!
jordan holmes
Disney!
Remake Beauty and the Beast.
I'd be a great guest on.
dan friesen
I gotta show my range.
Maybe they'll make a secret to Moana and I can be the bad guy.
But I'm not sure.
In this next clip, he lies a bit about China and tax incentives.
That they have put into place, which we'll discuss on the other end of the clip.
But then he jumps into a prolonged...
jordan holmes
He does not do a Chinese accent, does he?
dan friesen
No, thankfully.
jordan holmes
Oh man, that would be the most racist thing.
dan friesen
You know what?
There's still ethnic problems.
jordan holmes
Well, I assumed that.
I just didn't want to hear anything that sounded very similar to Ching Chong Bing Bong.
Because that's going to happen.
dan friesen
One of these days.
alex jones
You see the economy roar back and China strikes back with zero, baby.
You come here.
You come here with your Apple and Facebook and Twitter and all your other divisions, and you will pay nothing.
You're like, wow, the communists have zero tax, and we have a 15. But don't worry, we got Bernie Sanders.
unidentified
White people don't know what it's like to be poor.
alex jones
There are no white people.
jordan holmes
Is that Bernie?
dan friesen
No, it's Bernie.
jordan holmes
That's supposed to be Bernie.
dan friesen
And guess what?
It goes on another 40 seconds.
unidentified
Hold on.
dan friesen
Anybody can do Bernie!
jordan holmes
Anybody can do Bernie!
And he's doing like a silly...
What would you call that?
Like the dumb guy?
dan friesen
It's like an 80s mentally challenged impression.
jordan holmes
Yeah, exactly.
dan friesen
It's a bad hack stand-up.
Anyway, it goes on.
jordan holmes
Okay.
alex jones
They're bad.
Except when I swindle universities and have six houses and $100,000 cars and with $3,000 suits and that capitalist Alex Jones is wearing a $300 sports jacket.
unidentified
We're getting Italian now.
We're getting Italian.
alex jones
$3,000.
And I'm a communist.
It's all right.
Alex is wearing a $300 wool jacket.
And when we looked up Bernie Sanders' coats, they're over $3,000.
dan friesen
So this goes on.
jordan holmes
Wait, so now Bernie Sanders is looking up Bernie Sanders' own coat?
dan friesen
He's speaking as Alex somehow.
But also, this goes on a while, but he slips in there accidentally.
I have looked up how much Bernie Sanders' clothes cost.
Ridiculous.
alex jones
That's alright!
unidentified
I look like Einstein!
alex jones
And he's pledging!
He's resolving to intensify the struggle against Trumpism in 2018.
And why do I raise all this?
jordan holmes
Why do you raise all that, Alex?
dan friesen
I should be clear.
He never answers his own question.
jordan holmes
He never answers that question?
dan friesen
He doesn't.
One of the things that he's lying a lot about is the situation with China.
What they did is, I'll read here from the New York Times article, China said on Thursday that it would temporarily exempt foreign companies from paying tax on their earnings, a bid to keep American businesses from taking their profits out of China following Washington's overhaul of the United States tax code.
There is, however, a catch.
To be eligible, foreign companies must invest those earnings in sectors encouraged by China's government, including railways, mining technology, and agriculture, according to a statement from the finance ministry.
jordan holmes
Bring back those coal jobs.
dan friesen
Indeed.
So despite its appeal as a manufacturing hub, one where companies from around the world have set up operations to tap into a highly skilled workforce and strong infrastructure, China charges high taxes.
On top of a standard corporate tax rate of 25%, companies are required to make Social Security contributions and other payments that push their tax burden higher than it is in other countries.
So, tax issues are not a good way to approach the China business indifference, or the difference.
That's just sort of a...
jordan holmes
They go to China because they get very skilled workers that they can pay very little.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
And that kind of is awash with the taxes.
dan friesen
The tax issue is not really necessarily one of the big boons that businesses have.
Also, Alex didn't read the rest of this article because this is what he's referencing.
Because down at the end it says here...
jordan holmes
Bernie Sanders' coats cost $3,000.
Could you read the whole article in that voice?
dan friesen
No.
jordan holmes
Because I'm about to read everything in that voice.
dan friesen
It's incredible.
jordan holmes
But to who or what?
dan friesen
I don't know.
jordan holmes
What is that?
dan friesen
It's offensive to improv people.
To sketch actors, to Saturday Night Live, to Larry David.
jordan holmes
If you read our friend Peter John Burns, there's no way to offend improv people.
dan friesen
So, I know Alex didn't read this article, because at the end it says here, Regardless, business lobbying groups here say it is unlikely that the Chinese government's latest measures would be significant enough to keep many American companies from repatriating profits.
jordan holmes
Sounds about right.
dan friesen
So, in the end, the experts who weighed in on it have said, It's not really a big deal.
People are still going to move their money back.
This isn't enough to keep people here.
Right.
Because there's other tax issues, and there's other...
China's added a bunch of new laws in the last year or two that have made getting money out of the country incredibly complicated in terms of if you want to keep your business there.
So there's all kinds of other things at play.
Alex is just dismissing all of them.
jordan holmes
That's interesting.
Why would they then make that move?
Knowing, or at least having been told, I would assume, that it won't make a difference.
Excuse me.
dan friesen
I don't know.
I think that they're hoping it will make some difference.
And you've got to think about, like, what other plays can they make?
You know?
unidentified
They could do more?
dan friesen
I don't know.
This article also lays out like, China sets tight rules on how much money flows out of the country as a way of controlling the value of its currency and keeping the financial system stable.
A significant repatriation of foreign earnings could set off a broader capital flight and weaken the country's currency.
And a sharp fall in the currency could spark a vicious cycle with even more companies to make money.
And then you get some hyperinflation going on, and we're in real trouble with China.
I mean, at the end of the day, what they're doing is just trying to mitigate whatever damage that's going to do.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right.
dan friesen
And then at the same time, the illusion that this repatriated money that's going to come back is going to in any way help any of us is absurd.
It's all just going to go back to CEOs and...
Maybe investment in the companies, but not in the...
jordan holmes
No, they're all buying back their own funds, too.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
What they're doing with all of that money is then inflating the value of their own companies.
None of it is real.
It's all imaginary.
unidentified
Right.
jordan holmes
And then the stock market can keep going up.
Yeah, everything they're doing is magical.
There's no thing.
It's not like they're building a thing.
It's just like, if we move money over here, money becomes here.
It doesn't make any sense.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So, let's move along, though, because we can't spend this entire episode talking about...
jordan holmes
Oh, I'm going to get into the tax bill.
dan friesen
There might be some more points we can bring up, whatever you like.
But there's a bigger narrative afoot on this episode.
And that is that there's an article in the Metro, the UK publication, about how adults should buy their children sex toys.
And we'll get into that as we get into that.
But that is just the launching point for another impression.
jordan holmes
How?
dan friesen
This one is not as offensive from an audio standpoint, but the words are much more offensive.
So strap it in.
alex jones
And now, that's why I'm so gaga over Trump.
He's delivering just fairness.
What happened?
jordan holmes
No, that's a real question.
What happened?
dan friesen
I apologize.
I started the wrong clip.
jordan holmes
I think he's literally asking us the question, what happened?
dan friesen
One year in, and I finally started the wrong clip.
So here's the right one.
alex jones
Columnus says parents should buy their kids sex toys.
That is the big daily newspaper in London, the Metro.
Remember Jocelyn Elders coming in as the new head of the Surgeon General back under Bill Clinton?
She had to step down.
She's like...
What you do with the kindergarten children?
We have to find that clip.
I played it years ago when I first got on air in 1995.
She said it a few years before that.
She goes, you've got to have the school reach down and grab their little wee-wees and help them.
unidentified
She actually said, reach down and grab them and help them with their little...
alex jones
At nap time, at the...
And you're like, what the...
See?
So they've been really raring to push this openly for a long time.
Oh, and so are the Muslims.
That's why the globalists love Islam so much.
jordan holmes
Notoriously, uh, notorious lovers of sex toys.
dan friesen
What the fuck, man?
jordan holmes
Wait, wait, wait.
unidentified
I...
dan friesen
So that was Bugsy Elders.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I know!
What was that?
dan friesen
Nonsense.
I don't know, man.
jordan holmes
Bugsy Elders the pedophile?
unidentified
I mean...
jordan holmes
Now, that's a great character.
dan friesen
It goes back to Jocelyn Elders just saying that maybe masturbation is something that should be taught.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And she even, like, after she got fired, she got interviewed about it, and she clarified.
She's like, I wasn't saying...
Like, people are taking this way out of context.
I was just saying that people shouldn't teach kids that it's wrong.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
That sort of thing.
jordan holmes
Maybe instead of...
dan friesen
I didn't say give them guidance on how to do it.
jordan holmes
Maybe instead of putting a lifetime of shame onto your 14-year-old who really can't even control himself.
dan friesen
Or even 10, you know?
A lot of people are going through puberty.
jordan holmes
I wasn't...
I was still afraid.
dan friesen
Or starting to have those feelings.
jordan holmes
It wasn't until the backwash of four years of shame came out that I was like, masturbating forever.
That's what I'm doing.
dan friesen
Alright.
But that impression's bad.
He's lying about Jocelyn Elders.
He's like, of course.
We have that clip.
You don't have that fucking clip.
You don't have that fucking clip.
jordan holmes
What clip is it?
What clip would she...
dan friesen
They got out of Rick Jones and touched their wee-wees.
jordan holmes
And then he gets into Jimmy Stewart at the end.
dan friesen
Oh, that's another great quote of Jocelyn Elders that I found when I was looking through all this.
jordan holmes
You touched their wee-wees.
dan friesen
No, she had a great quote about anybody who thinks that children need to be taught how to masturbate has never changed a diaper.
And I don't know, from what I understand, I've talked to parents before.
Four kids just play with themselves.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
You do it from an incredibly young age.
jordan holmes
So everybody does.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Absolutely.
jordan holmes
Doesn't matter.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Everybody's fucked a pillow is what I'm trying to say.
dan friesen
I gotta be honest.
I've never fucked a pillow.
jordan holmes
You've never fucked a pillow?
dan friesen
No, me and Marty DeRosa have talked about this at length.
jordan holmes
Marty, we had a weird show at...
dan friesen
There's a bit about it.
jordan holmes
Yeah, no, we had a weird show at...
Comedy Underground, where he and Alex Human, all on the same show, told stories about what we fucked, what non-sentient things we fucked on stage.
It was a very strange night.
dan friesen
I'm shocked the three of you didn't start a podcast.
jordan holmes
I know a lot about fucking pillows, and Dan, he doesn't know anything about fucking pillows.
dan friesen
That's our offshoot podcast.
There we go.
So, we'll get back to this article from Metro here in a little bit, because he gets much more in-depth in it, and that's the more appropriate time to dive into that.
But for now, he's lying about Jocelyn Elders.
He's pretending there's a clip he can play, and boy, that's a fun impression.
It's fun.
I won't lie.
I think he does it again later.
jordan holmes
Okay, alright.
dan friesen
But for now, let's get back to this other clip where Alex pretends that Donald Trump has raised his own taxes.
jordan holmes
2018, the year of the impression.
dan friesen
Indeed.
alex jones
And now, that's why I'm so gaga over Trump.
He's delivering just fairness.
Now, what happened?
What happened, ladies and gentlemen?
jordan holmes
I don't know.
alex jones
Bernie Sanders, the usual suspects, got up on TV and said, He's letting the rich people get their taxes cut from 40% to 15%.
unidentified
They already make hundreds of billions of dollars!
alex jones
They're the same globalist billionaires that wrote the laws to ship our jobs to China because they have investments in the factories on record!
And you know that, scumbag!
And you're playing class envy with dumbed-down constituents.
dan friesen
Pot kettle.
alex jones
And that's a lottery ticket crowd, folks, the people that just always think they're going to get the insurance money, they're going to get the lottery ticket, it's always, oh yeah, Bernie wants to give me something free.
Oh, he wants to make my school loans free.
Oh, it's all free.
It's all free.
No, it's not free.
dan friesen
I want to say that, like, I think that Sanders' positions are a little more nuanced than that, but I do think there is fair critiques to be made against him on a lot of that stuff.
But at the same time, Alex, if you want to talk about pie-in-the-sky stuff, you're talking about med beds and shit like that.
You're talking about the secrets of the universe and curing all diseases.
Trump has it all at his disposal.
jordan holmes
The secret bases on Mars that already exist and somehow are also already filled with pedophiles.
dan friesen
Alex has not said that.
He's just allowed everyone to say it on his show.
And he has said it a couple years in the past, so he's forgotten he said it.
jordan holmes
But that's the thing about that criticism that drives me insane about the Bernie Sanders.
Oh, he's just saying we're going to give it to everybody for free.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
And that's not what he's saying.
unidentified
Nope.
jordan holmes
That's not how that works.
unidentified
No.
jordan holmes
What it is is we do need to accept that there have been plenty of debt forgiveness programs over the years that have changed everything.
And every time one of those debt forgiveness programs go on, what happens to those people who get all that money back?
They reinvest it in the actual economy.
They build things.
They buy things.
I do all of this stuff.
If you are saddling my generation, like they always talk about, why don't millennials buy houses?
Because fucking college loans cost as much.
dan friesen
No, no, no.
jordan holmes
That's the situation.
dan friesen
No, it's because of the Democrats.
We're going to get to that in the next clip.
jordan holmes
Imagine if I didn't start every morning $40,000 in debt.
Because I was sold when I was, say, 17 or whatever, that if I don't get that degree, I'm never going to get a job, so I won't be able to make any money there.
And then it's like, well, I would love to buy a house if I had that $40,000 back as a down payment on the house.
Any number of those different things.
And then if you have all of these people buying houses, well, that creates more jobs and shit for the economy.
dan friesen
Well, that speaks to the...
jordan holmes
It's a good thing.
Anyways.
dan friesen
I'm not even going to make my point now.
jordan holmes
I want you to make your point.
dan friesen
I was just going to double down and reinforce what you were saying.
When you're living under undue burden, whether it be from not being in control of your own destiny because of overwhelming debt that you've been burdened with or inability to control your own reproductive choices, those sorts of things, you're not really living freedom.
You're not really free.
No.
jordan holmes
There's a reason they call it wage slavery.
dan friesen
Yeah, and almost everybody lives under that to some degree.
And a lot of people could use help.
You could use another ski-exthasia, as Solon called it.
The shaking off of burdens.
Right.
Where people could get out from under misapplied self-bondage.
Because you did it to yourself, but you did it because you were misled.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
Those sorts of...
jordan holmes
Well, and I wasn't entirely misled.
Without that college degree, I wouldn't have been able to get so many different jobs.
dan friesen
Maybe.
jordan holmes
But at the same time...
dan friesen
But the type of jobs were also a lie.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
dan friesen
You can get a job at a fucking data entry center.
jordan holmes
Right, exactly.
dan friesen
That you might not be able to get with just a high school diploma.
jordan holmes
Even though I don't really need a degree in English to be able to do it.
dan friesen
I have a lot of friends who have lied about having college degrees.
jordan holmes
Oh, yeah, I've totally lied.
unidentified
And you know what?
dan friesen
No one's ever checked.
jordan holmes
Who cares?
dan friesen
It's crazy.
You can just do that.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Anyway, that's what I encourage.
I think most of our listeners are college educated.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
But I'm just assuming that.
jordan holmes
If you're not, lie.
dan friesen
Who cares?
So anyway.
jordan holmes
Knowledge fight.
Morality is whatever you feel like.
dan friesen
Exactly.
Who cares?
So in this next clip, we get into, you were saying, the stuff about owning homes.
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
And it turns out it's the Democrats' fault.
unidentified
Oh, is it?
dan friesen
And we're going to learn a little bit about that here in this next clip.
jordan holmes
Did we do it?
alex jones
Mm-hmm.
Here comes Trump, my taxes, and I'm not a big property owner.
But that is where I've got my little backup nest egg, you know, stuff like that.
Homestead is above $10,000 a year.
I mean, ladies and gentlemen, ladies and gentlemen, if you've got a $500,000 house, your property tax is like $15,000.
Austin has the highest in Texas, and it's a blue area.
It is a rape gang.
Almost none of it goes to the schools.
It goes into all their little scams.
So Trump's going to put pressure on areas to now lower the taxes.
Now the scam's over.
They're going to lower taxes in all the blue areas.
And then property values for smaller homes are going to go down so people can not be renters but be owners again.
Trump is doing the most pragmatic, fair, loving system for people.
I mean, this is how you make economies grow.
It's how you lower deficits.
It's how you put money in people's bank accounts if they want to work.
No.
It's how you unrig the economy.
And again, Trump...
dan friesen
It's also important to...
The term unrig, in terms of Alex Jones' world, is 100% synonymous with Robert David Steele.
So him using that terminology is kind of like a little link to the guy who did say that there are Mars bases full of children sex slaves.
jordan holmes
I did not know that.
dan friesen
Anyway, let me finish the clip here.
alex jones
Pays guaranteed hundreds of millions of dollars in property taxes.
And in state income taxes in those states where he has big businesses.
And he needs to selectively release, just to show everybody, New York or New Jersey, where he's got the biggest holdings.
He needs to release it, and people are going to go, oh my God, he wrote off hundreds of millions, and he just took that away from himself.
You better believe he did, folks.
It's a fact!
dan friesen
Alright.
You've convinced me.
So, as far as that stuff goes, I'm going to let that sit as a Prediction Alex is making.
Let's see.
jordan holmes
Let's see how it goes.
dan friesen
Yeah.
I don't believe that that is at all what any economist that I've read believes is going to happen.
But you have your position.
They have theirs.
jordan holmes
Well, based on what the idea behind what he's saying is, as far as property taxes go, is in the tax bill prior to this rewriting of the worst law in history.
You could deduct your state and local property taxes from your federal taxes.
You can't do that anymore.
Now, all of a sudden, you can't afford that anymore.
And the cities are going to start seeing people...
Like, what it is, what the tax bill really is, it's essentially like stealing money from large cities and putting it in...
Rich people's pockets.
dan friesen
Robbing Peter to pay Paul.
jordan holmes
Well, more like robbing poor Peter to give rich Paul more fucking money.
I don't know if that's...
You know what?
I want the apostles to release their tax returns.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
That's what I need to know.
I need to know.
I know that one fucking guy was a tax collector and then he changed his name, which is like fucking own up to it, dick.
dan friesen
Matthias?
Matthias?
jordan holmes
No, it was Saul.
dan friesen
Oh.
Saul of Tarsus?
jordan holmes
Saul of Tarsus!
No, it was Brienne of Tarth, actually.
dan friesen
Saul Paul!
Alex loves him for the wrong reasons.
So now, in this next clip, Alex Jones gets back to the China taxes, gets back to something else we've touched on already, and then gets into a very interesting critique of a liberal media figure that...
I don't know.
We'll see how much I agree with him on it.
alex jones
It's incredible.
Yeah, there's the New York Times.
China said on Thursday it would temporarily exempt foreign companies from paying taxes on their earnings.
They bid to keep American businesses from taking their profits out of China following Washington's overhaul of the tax code.
jordan holmes
Did a great job.
alex jones
But you have to merge it with the government.
There is, however, a catch.
To be eligible, foreign companies must invest those earnings in sectors encouraged by Chinese government, things they own, of course, including railways, mining, technology, and agriculture, according to a statement from the...
Finance Ministry, the measure is retroactive from January 1st this year.
The ministry said, if you read the plan, it's zero tax.
dan friesen
No.
alex jones
So, the communists have zero because they're commies.
They always pay zero.
jordan holmes
They are not commies.
alex jones
You work in a slave mine, but Bernie Sanders?
He's got six houses and $100,000 cars and $3,000 suits.
unidentified
Hey, the white people don't know what it's like to be poor.
alex jones
But continuing.
And Sink Uyghur of the Young Turks is caught saying women are subhuman.
Well, he's an Islamicist.
Of course he says that.
Funded by Gulf state dictatorships.
He's a dirtbag.
They're all force-fed dirtbags.
Unchivalrous piles of filth.
unidentified
Cowardly scum directly out of hell.
alex jones
Excuse me.
dan friesen
All right.
Your excuse.
jordan holmes
Thanks, buddy.
dan friesen
So all the other stuff we've already sort of touched on, but we can get into this Cenk Uygur situation here.
jordan holmes
So we're talking about how the Young Turks are funded by the Islamic states.
dan friesen
Gulf states is what he says, and that's not true.
They're funded by crowd sourcing.
Yeah.
Alex claims to be and might be partially.
And then also they just had a $20 million venture capitalism run.
So three venture capitalism firms that aren't necessarily run out of Gulf states pitched in and they're going to expand greatly because of it.
They had an inflow of VC money.
Right.
jordan holmes
Which, if you guys are looking to expand, Young Turks, might.
Might need an Alex Jones wing.
dan friesen
We got programming, baby!
jordan holmes
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Come on, it's like the dawn of TV.
Just throw whatever at the wall.
See what sticks.
dan friesen
But then at the same time, I don't know if I necessarily want to be involved, because what Alex Jones is talking about is something real.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
In that Cenk Uygur used to be a big conservative.
jordan holmes
Yeah, he's a giant piece of shit.
dan friesen
Back when he was younger and in college, he was a conservative, and he wrote some stuff that were pretty bad.
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
dan friesen
Pretty bad stuff.
I'll just read here from this article in The Hill.
jordan holmes
Do it in Bernie Sanders' voice.
dan friesen
The founder of the progressive online channel The Young Turks apologized on Thursday after making sexist and derogatory remarks on his blog years ago that included commentary that argued women are genetically flawed because they don't want to have sex as often enough.
So here's a quote from that piece.
Obviously the genes of women are flawed.
They're poorly designed creatures who don't want to have sex as often as needed for the human race to get along fruitfully and peacefully.
In another post called The Rules of Dating, Uger explains what should happen physically as the dating process progresses.
jordan holmes
I don't want to hear this.
This is not going to be good.
dan friesen
Ignore these rules at your peril.
No, I'm out.
He's basically doing Tom Likas.
jordan holmes
Yeah, this is not good.
dan friesen
Rule number one, there must be some serious making out by the third date.
If I haven't felt your tits by then, things are not about to last much longer.
In fact, if you don't get back on track by the fourth date, you're done.
Rule number two.
unidentified
What?
dan friesen
There must be orgasm by the fifth date.
Unspecified.
jordan holmes
Okay, okay.
dan friesen
Could be hers?
jordan holmes
What?
Is he talking about a handy?
dan friesen
I don't know.
jordan holmes
I think the fifth date is probably too late for a handy.
dan friesen
So, I'm opposed to this, but then at the same time...
jordan holmes
I'm opposed to rules!
dan friesen
I am too.
I'm opposed to all of it.
At the same time, when addressing it, he apologized and had this to say.
The stuff I wrote back then was really insensitive and ignorant, Uger said.
If you read that today, what I wrote 18 years ago, and you're offended by it, you're 100% right.
And anyone who is subjected to that material, I apologize to.
I deeply regret having written that stuff when I was a different guy.
If someone said that today, I would heavily criticize them on the show, and rightfully so, and I have.
I've criticized myself over the years, he added.
I had not yet matured and was still a conservative who thought that stuff was politically incorrect and edgy.
When you read it now, it looks really...
Honestly, ugly.
And it's very uncomfortable to read.
So the reason that I'm not giving him a pass for writing that stuff necessarily, but I do give him a tip of the proverbial hat in the sense that he owned up for it.
And he took responsibility and apologized, which is the more adult thing to do in that situation.
I would not like to be taken to account for some of the jokes that I wrote when I was starting comedy.
There are a number of things that I...
Pray don't come to light.
And it's not like I yelled the N-word like I'm Michael Richards or some shit.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right.
dan friesen
But there are a lot of unevolved positions that I have.
I didn't have rules for dating, but I did...
You know, I mean, I'll be honest.
When I started stand-up, I didn't realize that training was a bad word to say.
I didn't have anti-trans material, but I didn't realize that that was a pejorative, horrible word to use.
jordan holmes
There's a difference between...
The reason that the word ignorant is important in this context is because you didn't know.
Nobody told you.
You didn't have access to people to tell you that kind of stuff.
There's a lot of situations...
dan friesen
In the case of me, I could have known better, and that is on me for being ignorant.
But at the same time, I didn't know anybody.
jordan holmes
I mean, that's there's there's like it's hard to hold yourself accountable for being able to know everything that might offend anybody.
Right.
unidentified
Like the purpose of that is to just be like, oh, this was offensive.
jordan holmes
OK, cool.
I'm not going to say it anymore.
unidentified
Right.
Like it's the guys who are like, that was that was my position as soon as I learned.
jordan holmes
Yeah, exactly.
It's the guys who are like, no, that's just PC talk.
You're just it's just political correctness gone wild.
And it's like, no, just...
The political correctness is just like, hey, don't be a dick.
Like, it doesn't hurt you not to say it, and it hurts them when you say it, so why are you saying it?
dan friesen
Generally speaking, and again, I don't, I'm not a Cenk Uygur fan, I don't watch The Young Turks or anything like that, but taken as a whole the situation, yes, the stuff he wrote is terrible.
Right.
He apologized.
I'll go ahead and accept his apology because it's 18 years ago and there's nothing current where he's saying stuff like that.
So I'm inclined to believe that he has...
Learned the error of his way hasn't changed.
jordan holmes
Seems like it.
dan friesen
Now at the same time...
jordan holmes
Or at the very least, he's doing everything he can...
dan friesen
To mask that.
jordan holmes
I don't know.
Exactly.
Maybe he still does believe it, but on his public platform, goddamned if he isn't against that type of shit.
dan friesen
And I don't know the man, so I don't have any idea.
But I do know...
jordan holmes
I'll tell you what, you should have put out on the third date.
dan friesen
But I do know...
jordan holmes
Otherwise he wouldn't have dropped you.
dan friesen
Couldn't make it to orgasm by the fifth.
The thing is, too, though, he grew up in a Muslim household, but he came to America when he was eight.
He's lived here since he was eight.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
And he is an atheist now.
He's a devout atheist.
He's made it very, very clear that is where his heart lies or whatever.
So to say that he thinks that women are subhuman, and of course he does because he's an Islamist, is a lie on like three points.
And I don't want to take this much time to fucking defend Cenk Uygur.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
But at the same time, it's deconstructing the little pieces of Alex Jones.
How much he can lie in one sentence is really spectacular.
It's fascinating.
jordan holmes
It seems like every noun and its descriptor adjective lies.
Every single one.
I don't think his articles are lies.
Like the ofs, I don't think that's a lie.
But everything else, pretty much, yeah.
dan friesen
The indefinite articles lies.
jordan holmes
Very definite.
dan friesen
So in this next clip, we learn that not just Cenk Uygur is evil.
All liberals are evil.
unidentified
Okay.
alex jones
They're all evil people.
I mean, you get behind the scenes with these liberals.
They're not liberals.
They're hissing con artists.
They're vicious.
unidentified
And...
alex jones
They're just soulless, greedy trash.
unidentified
Yep.
jordan holmes
Sounds right.
alex jones
And they hate everyone.
And when you get around these controllers, Democrat controllers, I remember going to, like, smart growth conferences and going, here's the documents.
It's a scam.
And it's meant to de-industrialize and only give it to a handful of people.
And they would just shove you out of the way.
The Times didn't have a camera.
dan friesen
Convenient.
alex jones
We shot a bunch of them down there.
And they'd say, of course we know that, you idiot.
They're all just in there, just how do we organize crime?
How do we push this?
How do we share the wealth?
How do we scam people?
How do we do it?
You've got to understand, these are vicious, vicious, vicious criminals that want to hurt you and your family as much as they can because they are scum.
They know they are scum.
We'll be back.
Stay with us.
dan friesen
I kept that in because I'm like that sick guitar lick.
I don't like that sort of steely Dan-esque guitar solo taking us out to break.
It'd be like, they're all trash, they hate your family, and they're demons.
That's as jarring as the block rock and beats, quite frankly, but just from the other angle.
So I don't know, man.
I think when you speak in terms...
jordan holmes
What was the last time you hissed?
dan friesen
I know the last time you did was like two seconds ago.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
Very short time.
But I'm a regular hisser.
dan friesen
I would say only when I'm antagonizing my cat.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Or my radiators.
They hiss a little bit, and sometimes I will scream at them in the middle of the night.
jordan holmes
You'll hiss back as if you're like, it's time to speak to each other.
Perhaps you can understand me now.
dan friesen
Exactly.
Being kept up all night by radiators is a thing that will drive a man crazy.
jordan holmes
No, I agree.
dan friesen
It's just below bedbugs in terms of losing your mind.
And that damn radiator will not shut up.
No, I don't hiss on a general basis.
jordan holmes
I love Alex's stories because every time he's telling a story about meeting somebody else, it feels like he's just running up to them holding loose-leaf paper.
unidentified
Right.
jordan holmes
Just like, here's the documents!
I've got them!
And then he's surprised when people push him out of the way.
dan friesen
My friend?
jordan holmes
Alex, no thank you.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
It's because you're afraid of the truth.
unidentified
No.
No.
jordan holmes
It's because you're large.
And that's loose-leaf paper that you hand-wrote and crammed.
dan friesen
Yeah.
The other thing I always think about when I hear him say those things, those sorts of like, it's like, you gotta be a little more specific when you're talking about people.
Because it's like, when I meet with Democratic controllers, what the fuck are you talking about?
jordan holmes
What is a Democratic controller?
dan friesen
First of all.
Second of all.
Like, it's the same thing with like, I got a globalist dinner party.
jordan holmes
No, you fucking don't.
Who's at these dinner parties?
It seems like if you went to a globalist dinner party and you're Alex Jones, you're coming out of there going like, globalist dinner party guest number one, globalist dinner party guest number two.
Also, it was the movie Clue.
I was actually just watching the movie Clue.
dan friesen
Or fucking sneak in a wire.
Wear a wire to one of these things.
jordan holmes
Oh, that'd be great.
dan friesen
Then you could have audio of them saying all this bullshit you claim they say, and then, oh, all of your claims are proven.
jordan holmes
The problem with that is that it would just be too much hissing.
You couldn't understand words.
It's all hisses.
dan friesen
That's a strategic tactic that they use in case someone's wearing a wire.
jordan holmes
What Alex doesn't understand is that all Democratic controllers are parcel tongues.
dan friesen
Right?
They're trying to create background noise in case they've got a snitch in their midst.
You know what?
This is one of those things that I think it's really...
jordan holmes
Could you talk to me and hiss?
dan friesen
My point has been made.
No.
There's a lot of these instances where, you know, with the Cenk Uygur thing, or with the China taxes, or with a number of these other things that we're going to be talking about, there are actually factual things that we can make to point out, like, Alex is lying about X, Y, and Z. But when he does stuff like this, and it's important to really discuss this for a second.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
When he says these things like, all liberals are evil, when you talk to Democratic controllers, they're all hissing and evil, we don't even have to, like, debunk that.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
That's just an assertion.
jordan holmes
Furthermore, I don't think we can.
dan friesen
No.
jordan holmes
We have to go to a lot more parties.
dan friesen
The intellectual discipline that we require in order to push back against that is just say, no, they don't.
That's all we have to do, and we have succeeded.
jordan holmes
I don't even think we need to go that far.
unidentified
I think we just need to go, and that's it.
dan friesen
It's a show.
jordan holmes
See, there you go.
You've also got, eh.
dan friesen
What are you going to do?
Democratic controller says something.
Tough break.
jordan holmes
You're going to get his dad.
What are you going to say?
dan friesen
So in this next clip, Alex Jones, he's...
His position at current is that the Russia investigation has completely fallen apart and everything is off the rails and everyone has already admitted that it's not real and all this.
And so in this next clip, he gets back to bashing a couple of his favorite boys, the man Comey and Mueller.
Two of them get hit with a little buckshot here in this next clip.
unidentified
Right.
alex jones
But Comey provokes social media stir after hoping...
For more ethical leadership in 2018, the articles are up on Infowars.com and Newswars.com, and he came out and said, you know, we need ethical leadership.
Former FBI Director James Comey, incredibly corrupt, illegally leaking, lying to Congress, covering up for the Clintons, telling Hillary that her investigation was really over, they were going to stage an investigation, Loretta Lynch, all of it, Uranium One.
I mean, this guy looks like a seven-foot tall...
What's the name of the famous ventriloquist doll?
dan friesen
I think it's Charlie McCarthy, but we've been over a lot.
jordan holmes
I was going to go with Chucky.
dan friesen
We've been over a lot of that stuff, so we don't need to really go over why he's lying about Uranium One.
You know, I'm not going to sit here and go to bat for literally everything Comey did.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
There's some answers that still need to be fleshed out in terms of his behavior, but at the same time, he's not some sort of evil bag man for Russia or whatever his Uranium One narrative would suggest.
jordan holmes
It's kind of amazing how that narrative, how that story is just like, everybody knows that that isn't true, except for people who only listen to conservative news.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
In which case, they just repeat it loudly with no evidence whatsoever, and then it's like a month later, and you hear that story again, and you're like, well...
They're still talking about it.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
I assume they gave evidence the first time that they talked about it.
unidentified
Nope.
jordan holmes
And they never did.
dan friesen
No, but that's the magic of the way Alex Jones works is he declares something and then it's proven for him to use later.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
That's kind of the way a lot of these operations end up working with the Hannity's.
Yeah.
So we don't need to address any of those things, and thankfully that's not all the ammunition Alex has for James Comey.
jordan holmes
Oh, that's good.
dan friesen
No, he's a tall weirdo who looks like a ventriloquist dummy.
jordan holmes
That's right.
Sometimes those personal insults just kind of wash over me where I'm just like, well, of course he's a tall idiot who looks like a ventriloquist doll, but we need to get back to Uranium One isn't real.
dan friesen
The personal insults get a little bit deeper here.
alex jones
Looks real creepy.
I mean, he just looks like a pervert to me.
I mean, I'm sorry.
He is the most disingenuous, criminal-looking slimebag.
He looks like the ultimate psychopath, where they're supposed to be sharp and nice and look just perfect and, oh, how are you doing?
But you take one look at him and you say, danger, Will Robinson.
And you look at Mueller.
Oh, what another.
But that's a power-tripping, corrupt nutball.
That's what Mueller is.
I mean, and I'm not just saying this.
Their records show it.
They're horrible jokes.
And they always walk into Congress like they're the boss.
We're the most powerful institution in America.
We trump the voters.
We trump everything.
We're God.
I'm King Mueller.
I'll do whatever I want and have fake dossiers.
And I'll break all the laws to grab the president and make a bunch of crap.
And I'll get my own waivers because I'm in debt with the Russians.
And I'll protect all the real criminals.
And I'll walk in looking real tough.
I mean, imagine if guys walked like that to a restaurant.
You'd laugh at them.
Oh, I think it's a real...
unidentified
Isn't that what you...
alex jones
A bunch of crooks?
dan friesen
Yeah, I think that is probably how Alex Jones walks into a restaurant.
jordan holmes
That's exactly how he walks into a restaurant, right?
dan friesen
Yeah, so there's some other issues that we need to address as it relates to his narrative on Mueller.
So Robert Mueller does have an ethics waiver in terms of him becoming the special counsel investigating.
Trump's campaign and their alleged collusion with Russia.
jordan holmes
That's part of the independent part.
dan friesen
Well, I'm reading this here from an article in Politico because it's interesting that they won't explain what an ethics waiver really is.
Or what it's for.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
The DOJ won't say what it's for.
And the reason most people think it is is that the waiver is believed to relate to Mueller's work in recent years as a partner at Wilmer Hale Law Firm, which also represented former Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort and White House advisor Jerry.
Essentially, it's a conflict of interest waiver.
Absolutely.
Because there's a situation that would happen that if he did not have that ethics waiver and it proceeded to court, all they would have to do, like Kushner or Manafort...
All they would have to do is get a Wilmer Hale attorney to represent them in the case, and Mueller would be out.
He would have to be out.
jordan holmes
In the same way that so many of them have ethics waivers that we don't hear about.
Like, Kushner has an ethics waiver.
Like, all of these guys that work for Trump wind up having those same waivers because they're obviously corrupt.
The only way to get around that is by saying, nah, you're not.
You're good.
dan friesen
And there is, you know, just a kernel to this that is, you know, that's the right thing to do to cover your bases.
jordan holmes
Right.
Well, furthermore...
dan friesen
There's an interesting...
jordan holmes
Furthermore, if they were acting like gods, they just would have arrested Trump.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Like the amicus brief that was filed, like that was clear, like...
Oh, he's committed shit tons of crimes, but we were just like, well, we can't just arrest him.
dan friesen
Yeah.
There's an interesting quote in this article in Politico from Richard Painter, a former White House ethics lawyer under George W. Bush.
I think it's sloppy.
The conspiratorial side of me thinks that somebody at Justice is not giving you the explanation for the waiver because they want to create the impression that Robert Mueller has a problem when Robert Mueller does not have a problem.
This is going to lead to Fox News conspiracy talk.
jordan holmes
So what he's saying is that the DOJ specifically gave him that waiver as a way to undermine his credibility.
dan friesen
Or the refusal to explain why he has it.
But he even admits that that's conspiratorial talk.
So there's the possibility that it's because Mueller worked at WilmerHale and that they have represented Manafort and Kushner.
jordan holmes
Or it's Sessions being a dick.
dan friesen
CNN reported in September that while at WilmerHale, Mueller worked very briefly for a company involved in a nuclear energy project championed by Michael Flynn, the retired Defense Intelligence Agency chief, who would go on to serve for less than a month as Trump's national security advisor.
It's unclear whether the one sentence waiver finding from schools covers, that's a terrible sentence, what was reported to be less than half an hour's work Mueller billed to the firm Iron.
So he did less than an hour's work for a company that was involved with Michael Flynn, and that too could present a conflict of interests under the wrong circumstances.
I don't know.
I'm more inclined to believe it's something like that than something along the lines of he was in bed with Russia and they gave him that kind of clearance.
That's a massive ethics waiver to be throwing around.
jordan holmes
So much of the Republican argument about the FBI investigation boils down to, I know you are, but what am I?
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
Like, just repeating that over and over and over again.
dan friesen
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
It's a mess.
It's a mess.
But I don't know.
I think that there's a lot of fun you can have with uncertainties in life.
You know, the idea that because no one knows what the waiver is for, Alex is then free to say it's for whatever he wants.
Also, there's an article, some articles that came out in Newsweek last week, or that was last month.
I'm trying to pull up this report.
I don't know.
I don't want to cite this because I can't find it.
Never mind.
All right.
Yeah, I don't want to irresponsibly throw something out.
jordan holmes
Strike it from the record, Your Honor.
dan friesen
Let's move along to this next clip where Alex Jones gets into the idea that all the people accusing Trump of wrongdoing are getting paid.
Here we go.
alex jones
Here it is.
The New York Times.
Clinton.
Supporters donated $700,000 to help Trump accusers.
Oh, now the New York Times is reporting on what we told you over a year ago, and what we broke again two weeks ago, that it was going to come out that all these women had been paid off, and that it was made up, and some women demanded $2 million to make it up, and there it is out of the hill.
Get next year's news today at Infowars.com.
Next year's news today at Infowars.com.
And the only way the site gets out is when you hand-share the links and the articles and videos.
It's blocked everywhere else.
It's only you.
dan friesen
It's not.
alex jones
Only you can stop forest fires.
dan friesen
Another impression.
alex jones
Only you can give the globalist a bloody nose every day.
So keep spreading those links, and we salute you.
jordan holmes
That would have been a very different Smokey the Bear advertisement.
dan friesen
I think it's possible that Alex Jones can't pay for advertising anymore.
I think there's a decent chance.
That's why he's doing the, it's blocked everywhere.
We need you guys to.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
But that's my conspiratorial thinking.
I don't know.
I can't prove that.
But what I can do is go to this article in The Hill.
jordan holmes
Which he said was in the New York Times.
dan friesen
Well, no, that was something.
I think that's something else.
That's about Hillary and New York Times being in cahoots or whatever.
It's too nonspecific for me to really chase down.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
But this thing about the women making accusations about Trump, I can definitely trace this down to this Hill article.
And he says the Clinton supporters gave $700,000 to these women.
And when you really get down to it, what it is is there's two people who gave a bunch of money.
There's David Brock.
Who gave $200,000.
And then fashion entrepreneur Susie Tompkins Buell, who gave $500,000.
Now, Alex Jones has not read this article, because immediately after this breakdown, it says, the efforts did not result in any women coming forward, according to the Times.
Lisa Bloom told the paper that one woman requested as much as $2 million for her story, a sum she was unwilling to offer.
So she wasn't trying to bait this woman with $2 million.
It was just someone who said, I will tell you my story for $2 million.
She said, nah.
So Democratic donors familiar with Bloom's efforts say that Bloom kept the $200,000 from the American Bridge, but refunded the $500,000 from Buell.
So $500,000 of that even went back.
jordan holmes
Gotcha.
dan friesen
So, in a statement, Bloom denied that the Hillary Clinton campaign had any knowledge of her efforts or that she had collaborated with Clinton's team on any of this.
She also denied that payments were needed before the women would come forward.
Quote, It doesn't cost anything to publicly air allegations.
Security and relocation are expensive and were sorely needed in the case of this magnitude in a country filled with so much anger, hate, and violence.
jordan holmes
Yeah, you know, there is a lot to say about Trump supporters being told that these women are liars and they're getting paid off, and that they know where they are and they know their names because it's public, and all of a sudden you have a recipe for death threats.
dan friesen
Absolutely.
jordan holmes
And ultimately, murder.
dan friesen
I mean, murder and rape threats are super common on the online milieu.
jordan holmes
You get murder and rape threats.
For writing about fucking video games.
dan friesen
So now here's the ultimate irony.
If you scroll down a little bit further in this article in The Hill, right-wing activist Mike Cernovich, the Times noted, offered $10,000 in November for details of sexual harassment settlements reached by members of Congress.
Cernovich helped surface the details last year of one such settlement involving Representative John Conyers of Michigan, who then resigned from Congress.
jordan holmes
He could have just called Larry Nichols.
dan friesen
Could have just done that.
jordan holmes
Larry Nichols is...
We've got all the blackmail on Congress.
dan friesen
We've got to give that guy a call.
Wish him a Happy New Year.
So, I mean, if you want to go down that road, what you see in the details of that article is that, first of all, the $2 million thing was some person saying that that's their price and it being rebuffed.
$500,000 of that $700,000 being returned.
The money not leading to anyone coming forward.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
And even Lisa Bloom, who we've gone on record and say we do not support.
unidentified
Uh-uh.
dan friesen
Even her saying that the money isn't needed to bring about allegations.
It's for protecting people who have made allegations.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
It's completely accurate.
And then Mike Cernovich also gives out money.
jordan holmes
Right.
So I know you are, but what am I?
dan friesen
Something like that.
Something like that.
So, at this point, we're going to get into...
We're not calling Larry Nichols, damn it.
2018 is going to start with the resurrection of Call Larry Nichols.
I'm not happy about that.
So, at this point in the show, what we end up getting into is an eight-minute chunk, which I have just split up into pieces because it's a bit of a rant and it goes all over the place.
And it has to do with...
jordan holmes
Do we get some good impressions?
dan friesen
I don't think there's any impressions, but there are some bullshit.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
But in this first one, Alex, I believe it was like a month or so ago on the show, Alex was really, he had a bee in his bonnet about how people kept saying that he was attacking the gay folks because he says that people want to have sex with cars or some shit.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
Remember that?
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah.
No, I recall.
dan friesen
He was very mad about that.
unidentified
I recall.
dan friesen
He sort of revisits that theme and tries to defend himself.
jordan holmes
That can't go well.
dan friesen
But it accidentally works the opposite way.
jordan holmes
Yeah, he's just going to wind up doubling down.
dan friesen
He might have accidentally done that.
alex jones
It's total confusion.
And there's TV shows I see where people are having sex with their cars and it's a growing phenomenon where they have sex with appliances, are in love with inanimate objects, and in love with these robot sex dolls they're buying.
They'll take it, edit it down to 10 seconds, and then say, Alex Jones says gay men want to rape your car's tailpipe.
unidentified
Thank you.
alex jones
And then literally somebody walks up in the street and goes, why have you been bashing gay people?
I saw the article where you said gay men want to rape cars.
You know, Alex, that's not true.
And it's the craziest thing.
It's the social engineers have attached all this other stuff on to the LGBT agenda or whatever you want to say, and it's now that agenda.
dan friesen
So that's the problem.
jordan holmes
So wait a second.
dan friesen
That's the problem.
jordan holmes
So he's like, no, no, no, no.
I never said gay people want to rape cars.
I just said that the LGBT wants...
To rape cars.
dan friesen
Well, no, because he's being even dicier than that.
Because you have to really pick that piece apart.
Because what he's saying is, first of all, there's a gay agenda.
alex jones
Right.
dan friesen
And secondarily, now, I guess because of these Democratic controllers that he goes and hangs out with, they have now co-opted...
The gay agenda to include fucking cars, and that's now the agenda.
jordan holmes
Okay.
Alright.
dan friesen
So he's trying to defend himself, but in the process of talking, he ends up saying that, no, that is kind of what the gay agenda is now.
jordan holmes
What are you saying?
alex jones
You're doing...
jordan holmes
I like that.
Alex tries to defend himself, and in the process of talking, does the opposite.
That's a blanket statement for just about anything Alex does.
dan friesen
Put that on his fucking headstone.
He's going to accidentally condemn himself from the grave somehow, I'm sure.
So in this next clip, we get to...
I don't want to spoil it.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
Just enjoy.
alex jones
I'm not the one, like Jocelyn Elders, the former head of the Surgeon General Operation, saying, reach down and help the kindergartners play with themselves.
jordan holmes
You said there wasn't an impression.
alex jones
That's sexualization of children.
Stay away from our children's genitals, Jocelyn Elders.
In fact, although they found the clip.
We'll play it come up in a moment.
dan friesen
They don't.
alex jones
Reach down and help them.
Remember that controversy from 1994?
dan friesen
The controversy that you are entirely misrepresenting?
Yeah, I remember that.
alex jones
But here's today.
Little transgender shop sells fake genitals for little girls.
dan friesen
Do you know why they do that?
Do you know why they offer fake genitals for transgender people?
jordan holmes
I assume so.
No, I don't.
I mean, I have a bunch of possibilities, but I don't know the actual reason.
dan friesen
From my understanding, it is so you have the feeling of having the genitals that you...
Believe should have.
jordan holmes
Yeah, so you feel like you're more comfortable in your own body.
dan friesen
Exactly.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
And I don't think that that's necessarily sexualization.
I don't think that's necessarily some sort of perverse thing.
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
But Alex sure does.
jordan holmes
I'm pretty sure they're not giving you strap-ons.
dan friesen
Nah.
jordan holmes
I would guess they're giving you...
It's like wearing a baby...
It's like a dude wearing a pregnancy thing.
dan friesen
Well, I used to have a Fleshlight back in the day.
jordan holmes
Really?
dan friesen
Yeah, I did.
It was not worth it for the amount...
I got it for free.
Marty DeRosa bought it for me.
It's a long story, but...
jordan holmes
Happy New Year!
dan friesen
Fleshlight has a line of a bunch of...
You have vaginas, mouths, and what have you, but they also have one called the Pink Limpy.
Or something like that.
jordan holmes
Don't like any of that noise.
dan friesen
It is a limp phallus.
And from my understanding, I didn't understand this, and someone explained it to me, it's something that can be worn sort of externally, that people can have the experience or have the physical sensation of weight or whatever there.
jordan holmes
That sounds fun.
dan friesen
Yeah, I don't understand it fully, but that's the explanation I've gotten from people when I've asked about it, and that satisfies all my curiosity.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
So Alex thinks it's far more perverse.
jordan holmes
And it's reasonable.
dan friesen
Alex thinks it's far more perverse.
jordan holmes
Anything with genitals to Alex is perverse.
alex jones
Patient asked for female nurse to give cervical smear.
Gets tattooed trans...
jordan holmes
She wanted a little bit of...
Never mind.
dan friesen
I got to scroll this back a little bit.
You got to hear this.
alex jones
Gets tattooed trans man with stubble.
I don't think Reitbart's headline makes sense.
Man with tattoos and stubble, muscular man comes in and demands the nurse give him a cervical smear.
He didn't have a female genitals.
He had male genitals.
And now they're saying she's bad.
I mean, if someone comes in and says they're Puff the Magic Dragon and they want you to pull a thorn out of their paw, I'm Leo the Lion or I'm Leo the Dragon.
Pull the thorn out of my paw.
And you're like, you're not a lion.
Yes, do it.
You're mentally ill.
No, you have been turned into a mental patient.
dan friesen
I don't care about this story.
jordan holmes
Nope.
dan friesen
I don't particularly care about this story.
This seems like a small issue.
There was one person in England who had male genitalia and came in and wanted a pap smear.
I think that's what he's saying?
jordan holmes
I guess.
dan friesen
I don't really.
I think that's a local issue.
I think that's something that could be taken care of in-house in this London hospital.
jordan holmes
All local issues are national issues, Dan.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
So, anyway.
jordan holmes
All politics is local.
dan friesen
Yeah, in this next clip, we get more nonsense.
jordan holmes
Also, it doesn't matter.
The real question is, do you have a thorn in your paw?
dan friesen
I am, Aslan, and I do have a thorn in my paw.
jordan holmes
See, it doesn't matter whether or not you are Aslan.
Do you got a thorn in your paw?
Somebody's got to take it out.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
I think that's reasonable.
dan friesen
Next clip.
We get some more nonsense and a couple of things that Alex is straight up wrong about.
Whereas, some of this, I get that there is...
You know, a little bit of conversation that can be had in terms of what you think is appropriate, what age it's appropriate to have conversations with children, you know, that sort of thing.
I don't know.
I don't have any kids.
I'm not super well-versed in that, and I don't think that there's a hard and fast line.
So it is a little bit more of murky territory, but this next one, not so murky.
jordan holmes
Okay.
alex jones
The UK is now an open-air mental institution, and the Tavistock Institute, run by MI6, admits they launched the whole gender confusion thing.
I don't hate you if you think you're a man or a woman.
And I know there are some men that like men or whatever.
That's not the issue.
The issue is this is being pushed on kids, and if a man comes into a nurse and pulls his pants down and says, I want a pap smear, brother, you don't have a cervix.
But in California, you get arrested for saying brother.
That's right.
They have a law that if someone identifies as a woman or a man and you call them by the wrong name, you get arrested.
Well, then arrest us.
You cult of authoritarians.
You are out of control.
jordan holmes
So, again, the crazy screaming man is pointing the finger.
dan friesen
I'm not particularly interested.
jordan holmes
About being out of control.
dan friesen
I'm not particularly interested in rehashing the Tavistock Institute versus Tavistock Clinic.
jordan holmes
Yeah, we got that one.
dan friesen
Debacle, confusion that we've gone over in the past.
So we'll just jump to this.
You can't say brother.
jordan holmes
Can't say brother.
dan friesen
This is the stupidest shit in the world.
unidentified
So once again, we get back to...
Eh.
dan friesen
No.
You're going to look into this.
It's something that's caught fire in the right-wing blogosphere.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
And what it boils down to, if you look into it, is, I'm reading here from PolitiFact, a bill to prevent discrimination of LGBT seniors at California's long-term care homes is one step from becoming law.
It passed the legislature this month and now sits on Governor Jerry Brown's desk.
The measure known as the LGBT Senior Bill of Rights or Senate Bill 219 would ban the facilities from denying admission, transferring, or evicting a resident on the basis of their sexual orientation, gender, gender identity, gender expression, or HIV status.
jordan holmes
That sounds pretty great.
dan friesen
I think it's probably important.
I think those are good reasons not to deny someone care or to arbitrarily evict them.
So the issue is, and a lot of these right-wing groups, Alex among them, say that if you just call someone by the wrong gender, then they're going to arrest you.
Because the bill, it does have, I think, a $1,000 fine that's possible or up to a year in county jail.
jordan holmes
For what?
dan friesen
What do you mean?
jordan holmes
I mean, for calling somebody the wrong gender?
dan friesen
No.
Courtney Jocelyn, a UC Davis law professor, said the bar for criminal prosecution regarding this bill would be extremely high.
Quote, the bill is very, very clear that what is prohibited is the willful engagement and repeated engagement in discriminatory conduct.
So, if someone makes a mistake or doesn't know a person's gender identity is and uses the incorrect pronoun, that is not a violation of the statute.
Willful and repeated violations alone wouldn't lead to criminal prosecution, Jocelyn added.
they would likely be punished with a fine.
Criminal charges would only follow, she said, if the violation reached a level that was shown to cause the risk of death or serious physical harm in accordance with the state's existing penalty structure for health and safety code violations at long-term care centers.
Weiner, the person who pushed through the bill who was writing it, has said purposefully using the wrong pronoun would be treated the same way as someone who violates a center's smoking ban.
It would be treated as a minor violation, but no one is going to jail for that.
jordan holmes
It would be treated as like, hey, stop it.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
Get out of here.
Right.
As opposed to somebody who would be committing a crime, like if you were to go up to somebody and say, cupcake, cupcake, for a long period of time, even after you've been told to stop.
dan friesen
Right, right.
jordan holmes
It's harassment is what it is.
dan friesen
Well, harassment or exclusion or differential care, any of those sorts of things are really what the bill is at odds with and what it seeks to address.
I think we might have had a little technical snafu.
I'm not entirely sure.
I hope this is still going out there, but anyway, let's move along.
We're still in the middle of this eight-minute clip of Alex ranting about a lot of...
Sex and gender issues, I would say.
And so we get to this next clip where Alex, like we said, we've already dressed on a recent show that Alex doesn't understand that, I believe it was in the 60s, the Tavistock Institute and the Tavistock Clinic became completely disassociated entities.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
And so he just believes that they're the same thing because he sees the name Tavistock and is like, ah, evil.
jordan holmes
Of course.
dan friesen
And I was really interested to hear this next clip.
And I cut out nothing in between these clips.
This is all just straight...
jordan holmes
This is all just one stream of consciousness rant?
dan friesen
And where it goes next was a little bit surprising.
It sort of explains where he's basing a lot of these ideas on, sort of where it came into his head.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
And it's not good.
unidentified
Hmm.
alex jones
But it's all done by top psychologists and psychiatrists.
One time I had dinner with a former psychiatrist that worked for the State Department.
He told me about the Tavistock Institute.
This was about 20 years ago with Ted Anderson.
First time I visited Minnesota, he wanted me to meet the station owner.
And I went and met the guy.
He was a very intelligent, very smart guy.
And I looked him up.
He was famous.
dan friesen
So, here's what we have.
jordan holmes
We got Ted Anderson.
dan friesen
We got Ted Anderson in the mix.
jordan holmes
We got Ted jumping in play.
unidentified
Mm-hmm.
dan friesen
Ted Anderson, old-time Ron Paul libertarian type, gold salesman, Midas Resources operative or owner, as it were.
But he, as we know, snatched...
Alex Jones, more or less out of obscurity, probably around this time.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
And so he goes, and Alex just said, this is the first time he's gone to Minnesota.
This might be one of the early meetings that he has with Ted Anderson.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
Who at this point still has a license to sell bouillon.
alex jones
Right.
dan friesen
Which is interesting that he does not anymore.
But this guy who he meets with is, I guess, an ex-psychiatrist, psychologist of some sort, who now owns a radio station of some sort, and is also famous.
jordan holmes
I think that's enough details to see who he's talking about.
dan friesen
I don't think so, because I'm not sure this person's real.
I have no idea.
jordan holmes
No, I've heard a lot of famous ex-psychiatrists go into buying radio stations.
dan friesen
So let's see where the story goes from this point.
But that's sort of the lay of the land where we're at.
The context is important, but this is probably when Alex was nobody.
unidentified
Right.
alex jones
He just said, Alex, just start researching what they're doing to the kids.
He goes, I can't tell you.
But he goes, he started cussing.
He just goes, it's the most horrible thing.
They're going to end the families, confuse everything.
They're teaching them to blah, blah, blah.
And I kind of knew about it, but I didn't really know.
This is a guy that worked with the Tavistock Institute.
There's no way he's alive now.
He was really old.
dan friesen
Convenient.
So there's a couple of things.
First, blah, blah, blah.
jordan holmes
Blah, blah, blah.
dan friesen
That's not great.
unidentified
Blah, blah, blah.
dan friesen
So Alex says at that point here that I already knew about a lot of this stuff.
jordan holmes
Which he did not.
dan friesen
He didn't.
And in about 20 seconds in this clip, he's going to say, that was way too far out for me.
unidentified
This isn't real.
dan friesen
So he's going to contradict himself here in a second.
unidentified
Of course.
dan friesen
But the other piece of this is like, why wouldn't you ever have him on your show?
This is a guy who's telling you...
I don't understand why you wouldn't have made a bigger deal.
I've never heard him mention this guy before.
jordan holmes
Well, I would say either he doesn't exist or...
dan friesen
That's a strong possibility.
jordan holmes
Strong possibility.
dan friesen
Or it's a patchwork of, like, embellishment.
unidentified
Eight different guys.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
But anyway...
jordan holmes
Or the other part of that was if he was just starting a show back then, he wasn't talking about this insane bullshit.
He's talking about...
Different insane bullshit.
dan friesen
Yeah.
But also, I could just be one of Ted Anderson's drinking buddies.
Let's finish this clip and see where you land.
alex jones
And then Ted Anderson said, hey, this station owner wants to talk to you.
And if you'll meet with him, and he'll put you on a station.
And I went and met with him.
He put us on late at night or whatever the point was.
unidentified
Is that Ted was there.
alex jones
I ought to have Ted on to tell a story.
I forget that guy's name.
But he was sitting there telling me all this.
And I'm going, uh-huh.
And I remember thinking, you know, this is a little extreme for me.
dan friesen
So there you go.
He's already been like, I already knew about this stuff.
I already had a handle on some of this.
I'm thinking, uh-huh.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Whatever.
alex jones
This is like 19 years ago.
So here it goes.
UK NHS patient asked for female nurse for cervical smear.
It's tattooed trans man with stubble.
Look at this one.
NHS clinic where children are preparing for sex changes, the Daily Mail.
They're putting young children on drugs.
Look, Tavistock Institute.
I tweeted about Tavistock and people said, oh yeah, what's this made up group you claim is behind it?
And people started looking, they're like, oh my God, they had met the whole plan in the 60s to do this.
dan friesen
It also shows that his audience is very terrible at reading.
They can't tell the difference there.
So, I don't know, man.
I don't know where to land on that, but if it's 19 years ago, then we have to assume that it's about 1999 or so, somewhere in that, which puts it fairly in the...
I don't know.
I need to work out a more specific Alex Jones timeline, but I think that's probably pretty close to where the sweet spot is in terms of him coming out of local access TV, getting fired from his radio gig.
But I don't know.
I don't know.
That's an interesting thing to place in the timeline as we move forward.
Oh, boy.
Got something in my throat.
jordan holmes
Oh, no.
dan friesen
So, this next clip.
jordan holmes
Oh, vamp.
So, what was going on here?
dan friesen
I thought you were just going to start hissing.
jordan holmes
Well, look, I've said too much to my other parcel tongues out there.
dan friesen
So earlier in the show, we had Alex bring up what I told you was going to be a big narrative for the show.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
And that was the idea that there's an article about parents buying their kids sex toys.
jordan holmes
Yes.
Oh, yeah, that's right.
I forgot about that.
dan friesen
And now, in the middle of this eight-minute clip, eight-minute rant, Alex Jones decides to pivot on his own narrative and make it far worse.
alex jones
And here's the coup de grace.
Columnist says parents should buy their kids sex toys.
Looks like someone had moved beyond debates about sex education in public schools, which is really about sexualization.
dan friesen
He's cold reading a Daily Caller article, which is covering...
jordan holmes
Great, great.
Daily Caller is great.
dan friesen
It's covering the article in the Metro UK.
Okay.
alex jones
And instead advocating something new, such as buying children's sex toys.
Ellen Scott, the lifestyle editor for the United Kingdom's Metro.co.uk, wrote in an op-ed Saturday that parents should consider purchasing masturbation tools for children.
That does not follow.
jordan holmes
No.
alex jones
That's what it's all about.
And then it shows images of children playing with themselves.
unidentified
And I don't even know.
alex jones
This is in a major newspaper that's given out for free.
And I don't think we should even show all of this.
dan friesen
At this point, Alex Jones has the document cam on, and he's flipping through the article.
So I took screenshots of all the pictures in this article.
That Alex is saying are pornographic.
jordan holmes
Right.
They're children playing with themselves.
dan friesen
We're going to show those on the document cam here in a moment, but let's finish this clip.
I'll cop to him.
Some of them are unsettling to a slight extent, but when taken in context, they're certainly not...
jordan holmes
Little kids playing with themselves.
dan friesen
Right.
alex jones
Okay.
I mean, this is sick.
It shows little girls' panties that are...
I can't even say it on air.
dan friesen
We just did.
alex jones
Good God.
And it shows children being sexualized.
This is for pervs to look at.
This is 100% pedophilia porn masquerading in public.
Newspaper publishes pedophilia porn in the UK.
The article's been taken down?
They just pulled it.
Snopes will hit us and say it in real.
Well, we got screenshots of it all.
Sorry!
dan friesen
So, at that point, I went to Infowars for about the rest of the day to find their write-up.
Right.
jordan holmes
No, this is a huge deal.
They've got to have this up there.
They've got to make sure that...
dan friesen
If they've got all the screenshots, they've got to throw this in Snopes' face before Snopes even makes an article about it.
So, I went and I, like I said, I went and I got the screenshots of Alex's, like, his paper.
That he has the article printed out on.
Because he has the original article.
It's not just the Daily Caller article that he's going from.
He flips through it.
And, you know, we'll show here the pictures.
I have texted them to you so you can see them.
jordan holmes
Follow along?
dan friesen
This first one here is of underwear.
Yes.
That is, I mean, whatever.
I don't know.
You got any thoughts?
jordan holmes
I mean, as far as what I can read on here...
Girls in particular are less likely than boys to try masturbating.
Because there's inherent shame.
Because there's so much shame connected to the act.
Whereas boys can jerk off all they want.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
So essentially what I think we're seeing here is I would say probably women, a woman who is uncertain and coming to terms with her sexuality.
unidentified
Sure.
jordan holmes
And it's like your first period, that kind of stuff, where it's like, this is gross, I don't know what's going on here, that kind of stuff.
dan friesen
Right, there might even be a take in it because, you know, you could see that as being an artistic play on that.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
The next one here is just a bunch of dildos.
It's just an art display of a bunch of dildos and what have you.
There's nothing involving children in that.
There's nothing...
Inherently.
I mean, it looks like an art show of dildos standing up.
jordan holmes
What's weird about it is all of the dildos look like...
dan friesen
They look like they have hands.
jordan holmes
If this is Britain, it looks like they're giving the twos up.
It's like the dildos being like, fuck you!
Alright.
I'm liking this.
dan friesen
So the next one is the only one that I think that Alex Jones might have a little bit of a decent argument on in the sense that it is unsettling.
So, I mean, spoiler alert, if you're watching the video, it's a little bit unsettling, but at the same time, what it is depicting is something that kids do.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
In terms of playing around with each other.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
I don't know the value of having it in a Metro article, necessarily, but it's not...
I don't think of this picture as pornographic.
No.
Necessarily.
jordan holmes
I think of it as weird.
dan friesen
That is here.
jordan holmes
I think it's weird.
dan friesen
Right.
It is weird.
It is weird.
But at the same time, if you look at...
jordan holmes
Mainly because of the InfoWars logo at the bottom right.
That makes it very strange.
dan friesen
The InfoWars logo is weird.
jordan holmes
Especially since they're the ones showing it with the InfoWars thing on the bottom right.
So it's like, InfoWars!
Check this shit out.
dan friesen
Right.
And in the article from...
What you can tell, because by the time Alex was on air and talking about it, the article had been taken down from Metro.
So I wasn't able, and I kept searching for a mirror for it, and I couldn't find anybody who had reposted it.
But what you can tell from those screencaps is that the article is talking about...
Buying sex toys for a child could be helpful to them, especially for women, in as much as...
It's a female author, and she's talking about herself and her friends, would use brushes and stuff that's unsanitary in exploring their own sexuality, and that is unsafe, ultimately, or it can be.
It can be dangerous.
jordan holmes
If you fuck a pillow, man...
You're probably not washing that pillow.
dan friesen
There is that option.
Now, I would say that that picture, that last one, is a bit unsettling.
Like I said, I don't...
jordan holmes
Nah, I'm against it.
dan friesen
It's in line with the artistic style of a lot of the...
Not in terms of kids' hands.
jordan holmes
It's like a...
What is it?
It is like one of those sex ed books where it shows very...
Somewhat, yeah.
Cartoonized versions of people like...
dan friesen
And if you look at other articles in the Metro, there is that same sort of artistic style of cartoony versions.
There was another article that I found of what things were found in vaginas in 2017, and it's a picture of a woman with hands covering her vagina, but it's a cartoon.
So I would argue, possibly, that the picture that they put on the Daily Caller article, which I'll flash up now, is more upsetting.
I would say that that's more upsetting.
unidentified
Wow.
jordan holmes
Wow.
dan friesen
I don't know why, but I'm more unsettled by that slightly.
jordan holmes
That might be sensationalizing things, just a hair.
dan friesen
A tiny bit.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
So, I don't know.
jordan holmes
What it is, so it goes from, for the audio listeners, it goes from a very simple depiction of cartoony, you know, relative teenagers.
dan friesen
And undeterminate age, people playing with each other's genitals.
jordan holmes
But clearly post-puberty people, or current puberty people.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
The Daily Caller article has a three-year-old having tea.
dan friesen
At a tea party.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
With a sundress on.
jordan holmes
Yeah, exactly.
dan friesen
I don't know.
And I want to say this, too, because I think this game can be kind of fun.
I don't know.
Alex should have gone further.
I don't understand why he didn't go ahead and just look into what else this lady has written.
Because I found Ellen Scott's entire biography on the Metro.
Here's another article she wrote.
Mom makes fun of her model brother by getting toddler to recreate his poses.
If you scroll down here, you've got a toddler pretending to be a model.
How is this not sexualizing a child?
jordan holmes
That's a good point.
dan friesen
Oh, we could have made hay out of this.
jordan holmes
Could have done it.
dan friesen
Alex Jones could have been like, oh my god, this is a toddler with his shirt off and glamour shots.
I don't know.
What I'm getting at is this is all just not...
Alex could have tried harder to make his dumb point.
jordan holmes
It's a manufactured outrage situation.
dan friesen
I believe so.
I believe a little bit.
And the tragedy of it is that the issue that the lady does bring up in the article is real.
And you can tell from the text that...
Survives in those screenshots that she's making a very valid point.
Whether it be about the shame that children experience around their sexuality and how crippling that can be moving forward, or about the fact that you aren't going to stop your children from exploring by not having any conversations or help that you can offer to them.
jordan holmes
You're just going to make it less safe.
dan friesen
And you're living in a certain denial of the idea that your children will ever have a sexual existence.
jordan holmes
No, when I was growing up, my parents...
We're like, oh, look at all this sin going on.
And your essential point there is, you're going to hell if you masturbate.
dan friesen
Absolutely.
jordan holmes
Like, that's the biggest issue.
That's what they're ruining sex with, is you're going to hell.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
So, of course you're going to fuck a pillow.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So, anyway, in this next clip, we get the end of the eight-minute rant that Alex is on, and at this point, he's sort of turned it from...
An article that he disagrees with and wants to talk about, but not really that bad, into being a massive deal.
alex jones
We couldn't find our page, but it's working on it.
And you know what pedophiles do?
They always go, I got a puppy, I got a toy bear.
dan friesen
He's talking about the 404 Not Found page.
There's a bear riding a skateboard on it.
jordan holmes
Oh.
unidentified
What?
alex jones
Get my ice cream truck.
See, it's okay, cute, because it's a polar bear 404 error.
jordan holmes
Oh, we're little cuties!
alex jones
We're nice!
We got candy!
jordan holmes
Wait.
alex jones
By the scene that's...
Satanic rituals is total...
unidentified
Kill the child.
alex jones
Corrupt them all.
The jack of a nightmare is upon us.
jordan holmes
Love it.
alex jones
So, now I will go to break with your calls.
I promise, I promise, I promise, I promise I was going to cover this in the next segment.
I just can't mention something and not cover it.
jordan holmes
Yes, you can.
dan friesen
Cover it.
Yes, you can.
jordan holmes
You do all that all the time.
dan friesen
He's referring to how he has been pretending he's going to go take calls for quite a while.
alex jones
But that is the psych warfare plan.
Ladies and gentlemen.
And it's here.
jordan holmes
It's here.
alex jones
And it's happening.
jordan holmes
It's happening.
alex jones
And they're just going to push it and push it, and they got your kids, and they got you through the TV and the media, and you've got to realize it's happening.
You've got to pull away from it, or they'll get you.
They'll get us all.
Now, again, we need, in 2018, despite all their censorships, Congress admitting they're censoring us, with the leaders of the Internet.
We need your prayers.
And I'm not whining or saying, hey, get over here and help me.
I'm saying we're in the fight.
We're winning.
We're ready to go all the way, but we need backing.
We appreciate the backing you've given us so far, but we need you to commit to get vitamins and minerals and supplements and the real red pill and all the great products at InfoWars Live.
dan friesen
It was all a lead up for an ad.
jordan holmes
Oh, fuck!
dan friesen
The entire eight minutes of scaring people about how they're going to try and sexualize your children.
All of it.
All of the trans bashing.
All of the idea that he's not against gay people because he thinks that the gay agenda has now been co-opted by people having sex with cars.
All of it.
All of it was to lead to, I need your money.
It's fucked up.
jordan holmes
It's fucked up.
dan friesen
Real fucked up.
jordan holmes
What's even worse is the way that he sells super male vitality, as we remember, is like, you're gonna fuck better.
unidentified
Right.
jordan holmes
Kids listen to his show.
dan friesen
We have heard at least, like...
A 14-year-old call-in, a 12-year-old call-in.
I mean, it would be right in that age, the wheelhouse, you know, to be like, I would like to be older.
I'd like to be more manly.
jordan holmes
I'd like to fuck.
dan friesen
That's sort of adolescent thinking.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
I don't know.
So in this next clip, he just talks more about this Metro article.
I don't really want to talk more about it.
Quite frankly.
jordan holmes
No, I think we covered it.
unidentified
I think so.
jordan holmes
The thing about all of those right-wing...
dan friesen
I want to say one more thing about it before we move on.
He says that the Metro is the biggest paper in England.
jordan holmes
Not true.
dan friesen
It's the Sun.
jordan holmes
Even a little bit.
dan friesen
Number two is the Daily Mail.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I know.
dan friesen
Metro is number three, but it's about, I don't know, let's see, in the 2017, at least their readership is at least 200,000 less than the Sun.
Yeah.
jordan holmes
I think The Guardian would probably be higher, too, if they could spell right.
You know what I'm saying?
All right.
dan friesen
Or if it was...
Is The Guardian even a printed paper, though?
Oh, yeah, it is.
jordan holmes
Yeah, The Guardian's a printed paper.
dan friesen
Their distribution or circulation in print is only 156,000 in 2017, The Guardian.
So, no.
jordan holmes
No, the thing about those right-wing things that always go viral on conservative blogs is it's always just like, One person who's just talking, who's just spitballing ideas, and they go wild on it.
And it's always just a random-ass dumb thing.
It's fucking infuriating.
Which is not to say that it doesn't happen on the left.
The outrage machine is horrifically stupid.
dan friesen
It's bipartisan.
But at the same time, I think you have a situation where...
You know, you have those people who are in the business of making those claims, and then they just sort of snowball downhill.
You'll have, like, a Cernovich come out with a narrative, and then it'll roll downhill.
Alex is usually the second stage.
He doesn't make up a whole lot of his own.
He gets them from Breitbart or Drudge.
But he amplifies them incredibly.
I don't know.
jordan holmes
And it's all just grist for the mill.
It's all just grist for clicks and all that shit.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So in this next clip, Alex explains that he knows that he's always been right about Hillary Clinton.
jordan holmes
Get next year's news from Reitbart, and then Alex will tell it to you.
dan friesen
From whenever.
alex jones
And it's real.
I mean, I talked to high-level CIA right after Trump got elected, and they said, no, you're dead on about Hillary.
They've got the info, but it's so horrible that if it's brought out...
It'll destroy the country, but we're going to go ahead and try to clean it up and end it and stop it.
They're not just pedophiles.
They control people with pedophilia and trafficking in children because it's so horrible.
They can always use it because it's so horrible.
No one even wants it to come out because it would just bring everything down.
It would destroy the country.
dan friesen
I know.
jordan holmes
I think he just porky-pigged us.
dan friesen
And you know why I think he did?
Because I think there was a part of his brain glitching.
That he realized that, like, you know what?
Anybody who's the thinking person would realize that the exact same argument I'm making could be used...
jordan holmes
On me.
dan friesen
Or for spurious accusations of pedophilia race.
Because it's so serious that you don't want to not take it seriously.
Or something like that.
Right.
The exact same argument works.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
And, I don't know.
jordan holmes
Because it's definitely one of those things where...
dan friesen
Also, Alex has clearly started to go to, like, Reddit.
alex jones
Right.
dan friesen
And those, like, Calm Before the Storm shit.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right, right.
dan friesen
The other day, Rob Dew interviewed two moderators from, like, 4chan.
jordan holmes
Now that is fucking gold.
That's gold, my friend.
dan friesen
It was less interesting than you'd think, but it was like...
jordan holmes
Oh, is it?
dan friesen
I was like, Rob Dew, what are you doing?
What are you, Rob, doing?
It was...
I don't know.
jordan holmes
The thing about that shit is the reason that it's such an effective tool...
the claims of a pedophile ring is because nobody wants to be the one who was wrong one time.
You know, like this is a boy who cried wolf situation, but it's so serious.
Nobody wants to be the guy who's like, yes, you were wrong 300 million times, but this time you were right and I didn't act on it.
And that's the hard part about that kind of claim is that it's such bullshit, except for the one time it's not.
And you're like, well, no.
We should have fucking done something.
And then you say, you know, we should have listened to you, but we can't because you're a fucking idiot.
dan friesen
So speaking of him being an idiot, in this next clip, I think he says something about Barron Trump that he maybe is making up or should not have said on the radio.
alex jones
Enough people, you know, have grandkids and kids that are autistic now.
Really woke Trump up.
Barron got better, but...
jordan holmes
What?
alex jones
Lack of vitamin D in utero, fluoride in utero, and then you give them the vaccines, it can kill you.
Trump isn't trying to carry out a eugenics operation.
dan friesen
So, first of all, Alex putting business on the street there a little bit with barrenhead autism but got over it.
jordan holmes
That's a thing.
unidentified
Sure.
jordan holmes
I've heard that from tons of autism experts.
unidentified
Sure.
jordan holmes
You just get over it.
Because you've got vitamin D deficiency.
dan friesen
I don't want to talk about that because it gets into an area where we might be clowning on a kid or something like that, and I don't like that.
I don't like that at all.
Alex's understanding of medicine and health is flawed, but his understanding of Trump is also flawed, because at the end there he said that Trump does not want to run a eugenics operation.
Here is a compilation of clips of Donald Trump talking about how he's into eugenics.
Courtesy of the Huffington Post.
jordan holmes
All right, here we go.
alex jones
All men are created equal.
unidentified
Well, it's not true.
Because some are smart, some are.
The family subscribes to a racehorse theory of human development.
When you connect two racehorses, you usually end up with a fast horse.
Secretariat doesn't produce slow horses.
They believe that there are superior people and that if you put together the genes of a superior woman and a superior man, you get...
A superior offspring.
alex jones
You have to have the right genes.
jordan holmes
I have a certain gene.
I'm a gene believer.
unidentified
Do we believe in the gene thing?
jordan holmes
I mean, I do.
donald j trump
I have great genes and all that stuff, which I'm a believer in.
unidentified
Well, I think I was born with a drive for success.
donald j trump
I was born with a certain intellect.
The fact is you have to be born and blessed with something pure.
jordan holmes
God helped me by giving me a certain brain.
alex jones
It's this.
unidentified
It's not my salesmanship.
alex jones
It's what?
unidentified
This.
You know what that is?
It's the brain power.
I have Ivy League education.
alex jones
Smart guy.
unidentified
I have like a very, very high aptitude.
I'm pretty good at English.
donald j trump
I always did very nicely in English.
jordan holmes
But you can't read.
unidentified
I'm a smart person.
You're born a fighter, and I've seen a lot of people, they want to fight, but they can't.
Some people cannot genetically handle pressure.
I always said winning is somewhat, maybe, innate.
donald j trump
Maybe it's just something you have.
alex jones
You know, you have the winning gene.
unidentified
Frankly, it'd be wonderful if you could develop it, but I'm not so sure you can.
alex jones
You know, I'm proud to have that German blood.
unidentified
There's no question about it.
jordan holmes
I really don't want to listen to this.
alex jones
Great stuff.
dan friesen
I'm glad to have that German blood.
Great stuff.
Yeah.
So, I mean, he's a gene believer.
jordan holmes
Trump's a Nazi.
dan friesen
And what that means, I mean, that's not to say, hey, guess what?
Like, genes aren't...
jordan holmes
Yeah, but maybe don't go full Gattaca.
dan friesen
Right, right, right.
And that is, I mean, he's espousing a eugenics-based viewpoint.
And it turns out, like, you know, there have been people who've gone and looked at his family history, and his family does subscribe to those beliefs, and have for generations.
More or less.
Whether or not you really want to, like...
Eliminate the Jews or anything.
You can still have pretty Nazi-ish beliefs.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
And it turns out Donald Trump does.
So Alex saying that, you know, hey, look, Barron Trump had autism.
We got over it.
That woke Trump up.
He's not trying to run a eugenics operation.
Dude.
jordan holmes
He kind of is.
dan friesen
Look at everything he's said for the past entire life.
jordan holmes
Fucking stupid.
dan friesen
It's pretty wild.
jordan holmes
It's always those guys who say, like, I have great genes.
I'm smart.
I'm smart because of my genes.
And it's always like you look back and you're like, you were born rich.
dan friesen
It does seem that there's a lot of overlap.
jordan holmes
And what they're doing is they're trying to justify being born rich as not having anything to do with it.
Like, it's not, it's always that...
dan friesen
No, because it's a self-fulfilling argument.
jordan holmes
Exactly, exactly.
dan friesen
The genes that were superior were superior to the last generation, too, and that's why I was born rich.
jordan holmes
That's why I was born rich, yeah.
dan friesen
Yeah, it all gets taken care of in that calculus.
So it doesn't matter, you're stupid.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
I'm loving the hiss.
I'm loving the hiss.
dan friesen
2018, the year of the hiss.
jordan holmes
The year of the hiss, man.
dan friesen
Well, that'll be our new sign-on instead of our convoluted nonsense.
unidentified
Just...
Welcome to the show.
dan friesen
So, in this next clip, Alex Jones...
jordan holmes
I'm Dan.
I'm Jordan.
dan friesen
In this next clip, Alex, for a long time, he's talked about the globalist plans and what they plan to do.
unidentified
Right.
jordan holmes
Very convoluted plans.
dan friesen
And it gets more convoluted in this next clip.
He describes what he would call a triple cross.
There's a triple cross.
jordan holmes
A triple cross.
dan friesen
The globalists are trying to pull off a triple cross.
jordan holmes
We've got a double secret agent?
dan friesen
Absolutely.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
And I don't know about this plan.
alex jones
The decision was made to dumb everybody down and then put chemicals in the food and water to lower fertility.
jordan holmes
Great plan.
alex jones
But it was a triple cross.
Because they weren't really doing it to the third world.
They were doing it to the west, which the globalists saw as their competition from a racist perspective, IQ and culture-wise, which I don't even really buy into.
They do.
I think a lot of it is nurture, not just the nature.
But you can't argue that the scientific developments in the IQs and things in northern Europe and all that are the highest in the world.
dan friesen
Because IQ tests are culturally biased.
We've known this for years.
alex jones
But you can argue that.
The point is that they buy into all that.
The decision was made.
They told the mid-level white racists in people were doing this worldwide government program to control and kill off the third world.
But they really triple-crossed and began killing off everybody in the West, as you can now see, and attacking that, then bringing giant third-world hordes.
Use them to devolve everything even faster, then get the remaining people in the West to accept a global exterminus program, and then finally wipe out the third world.
But that way you wipe out the West, and you wipe out the third world, and then you merge with machines and become immortal.
Now, I read enough of their writings that were thinly veiled to come up with that approximation about 18 years ago, and then to sum it up in the endgame 10 years ago, or 11 years ago now.
jordan holmes
Triple cross.
alex jones
And you can see that that's now been proven right.
They've now announced we are going to have AI gods.
dan friesen
No, they haven't.
But the last part there.
Thank you, Beth.
Really appreciate you subscribing.
The thing that he said there 10 seconds before the end of the clip was, I've read the writings thinly veiled.
And what that means is he believes that all of these things that he's reading are actually saying something entirely different, which is why I can go and read the primary sources and understand what they're saying within the context that they're saying them.
But he's going to say, no, no, no, no, no.
What they're actually saying is something entirely different because of my weird paranoid worldview of this triple cross.
jordan holmes
But that's where the triple cross is, right?
dan friesen
Absolutely.
jordan holmes
So he thinks they're double crossing you by thinly veiling their argument.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
And you think they're triple crossing him by not thinly veiling their argument.
dan friesen
I don't fucking know at this point.
jordan holmes
I just like any plan that includes a triple cross.
I don't know.
unidentified
I love it.
jordan holmes
I don't even know where the triple cross comes in that plan.
It feels like what he just described, though, was like bad planning.
What he described was...
dan friesen
Here's the cross.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
The cross is...
Okay.
jordan holmes
We're trying to dumb them down so that we can put fluoride and shit in the water.
dan friesen
That's foreplay.
jordan holmes
It's a four-cross.
dan friesen
That has to be part of the first cross.
jordan holmes
Right, it has to be part of the first cross.
dan friesen
So the double-cross is telling white people in the West that we're screwing over the third world.
jordan holmes
But I think what his...
dan friesen
That's double-cross, right?
jordan holmes
I think his thought on the double-cross, though, was they were trying to do that, but they accidentally went to just the West because that was their enemy.
dan friesen
It wasn't an accident.
jordan holmes
And then the third world...
Well, I mean an accident in the way that they didn't realize that the third world then would rise.
So then they triple crossed everybody by lowering everybody equally again.
See, that's just bad planning.
dan friesen
It's not a triple cross.
And it's bad.
It's prohibitively complicated in terms of what Alex Jones thinks.
People are doing.
But anyway, I'm going to skip this next clip because it's just a bunch of bullshit he said in the past about Islam's spread and how he believes that they acted differently than other powers in the ancient world.
He's not full of shit.
But the other thing he says is like, A, the Pope goes out and tells Christians that they should accept Muslims into their country.
Why doesn't he tell Muslims to accept Christians into their country?
Maybe because he's the head of the Catholic Church.
jordan holmes
Maybe because his pull in the Muslim countries is not as strong.
dan friesen
Yeah, maybe.
I don't know.
Just a thought.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
I don't know.
Feels like we could just check that one off the list.
jordan holmes
Actually, even then, wouldn't he...
Because that's a problem.
That he's, you know, like...
That's a big issue right now is we're not letting them into our country.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
Like, I don't think...
I don't know what the immigration policy on Muslim countries is.
I think part of the immigration issue with Muslim countries is people don't want to go there.
dan friesen
I think it's almost exclusively out.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
I don't know.
I think you're going to see not a lot of people who are like, I'm going to explore job opportunities in Syria right now.
I don't know.
jordan holmes
They're not letting a lot of Christians in.
Or Christians are like...
I don't want to live under a torturous evil regime.
I think that's probably a bad idea.
dan friesen
It's like everyone's leaving.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
I don't think this Ayatollah guy is a good dude.
At the very least, bad administrator.
dan friesen
The further point, though, is that the Pope has a role.
And telling the rest of the world that isn't part of his group what to do, I think it's outside of his purview.
Just a thought.
Just a thought.
jordan holmes
His scope of practice is what you're saying.
dan friesen
Absolutely.
So that bothered me.
So a little bit later in the show, Alex Jones has a little bit of a guest on.
He brings in Steve Pachanek to talk about Iran.
And I believe that the situation that's unfolding in Iran is incredibly complicated.
jordan holmes
Four stars!
Go home to Iran!
dan friesen
I don't have a full understanding of it.
I'll admit to it.
I've read a little bit on it, but I don't really understand what's going on.
The way that Steve Pachanek presents it is that we've got to support them.
And Alex believes that he's not into nation building, and he says that a bunch.
And I don't understand, necessarily, what the line is between the, like...
Steve and Alex both being against the Arab Spring and now Steve being like, this is good.
This one's good.
I don't know.
I don't understand it, really.
jordan holmes
Because they view Iran as a massive enemy.
And if you tie together Iran's government with the way that they signed the treaty with Obama, then you can go right back to Obama on that.
That's the idea.
As far as what I understand of what's going on in Iran, because of really, really bad mismanagement and corruption and police brutality, the people started a protest of like, hey, this is killing us all.
We need to not do this, not least of which because we're not getting paid very much because it's all corruption and shit like that.
Right.
unidentified
And then as it grew, it turned into more of like a, hey, you know what really causes that corruption?
jordan holmes
You know what's really going on there is the Islamic Revolution of 1979.
Maybe that didn't work out so well.
We've got a lot of grievances with the Ayatollah himself.
Sure.
unidentified
And so it's kind of expanded there.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
unidentified
And it's turned into a mass scale protest.
jordan holmes
And of course, when you have an authoritarian regime that is seeing protests happen, do they listen to the protesters, Dan?
dan friesen
I think it's rare.
jordan holmes
What they do...
Because they kill the protesters.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
And I think that, like I said, because I don't really understand it, my inclination is to say that Steve is kind of right, but I don't know.
Because I don't know what the more, like, I don't know enough about even where he's coming from.
From, like, his old involvement in the State Department and shit.
jordan holmes
Is he right in the wrong way again?
dan friesen
Exactly.
I don't know.
It's super complicated, and Alex doesn't really get into it too much, because he doesn't...
jordan holmes
Because he doesn't know anything about it.
dan friesen
I was talking earlier about this, that I think he's on timeout.
Steve Pchenik's on timeout.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Because of the Vegas shooting stuff.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right.
dan friesen
I think Alex isn't taking him very seriously at this point.
He needs to let that blow over.
And so it's not really a great interview.
Except for this little clip where Steve Pchenik gets a little snippy.
And that's something we always love.
jordan holmes
Love it.
alex jones
Let me raise this point to you.
Geopolitically, the different players right now, just pulling back from this, what are you expecting to see with North Korea?
What are you expecting to see with the things that are going on with Israel?
The latest on Syria, McMaster reportedly.
Trying to reconstitute some ISIS people that Trump reportedly doesn't even know about in areas of Syria to rebrand them because they want to still break up Syria.
I mean, how's all that going?
None of that's going to happen.
unidentified
Ha, ha, ha, ha!
dan friesen
You just got to love...
jordan holmes
Oh, Steve.
dan friesen
You just got to love, I don't give a fuck, Steve.
Fuck that.
It's not going to happen.
But the thing about McMaster, Alex's argument there is that McMaster, who was poisoning Trump, I believe, with Diet Coke, but then started allowing Infowars articles to get to Trump, so Alex was on board, is now a globalist again.
jordan holmes
Right, because he's funding ISIS in Syria because they still want to break up ISIS.
So he's going against the secret military treaty.
That the army secretly signed with Russia and Syria.
dan friesen
Right.
Alex's belief, I'm guessing, is that his audience doesn't remember all the McMaster narratives that he's been flipping.
jordan holmes
No, I do not think he does.
dan friesen
Back and forth.
And so he's now using him as a prop.
jordan holmes
I don't know if he remembers the McMaster bullshit that he's been tossing around.
dan friesen
That one didn't last very long.
But at the same time, what it is, is that...
He believes that Al-Qaeda just changed their name to ISIS.
alex jones
Right.
dan friesen
And so he thinks that that's what they're doing again.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
And McMaster is running it, and that's the reconstituting ISIS forces that Trump doesn't know about.
jordan holmes
What would you rename ISIS?
If you're going to rebrand ISIS, do you want to spitball some names back here?
dan friesen
NISIS.
jordan holmes
Done.
Signed.
Get that letter out!
alex jones
Get that letter out, Dan!
unidentified
Finger guns!
jordan holmes
Just name it finger guns?
dan friesen
No, it has to come along with a finger gun.
jordan holmes
Oh, no, no.
Not even a name.
unidentified
Just...
dan friesen
Oh, it would be like Prince.
jordan holmes
Yeah, exactly.
unidentified
Unpronounceable.
jordan holmes
Just finger guns.
dan friesen
Right.
You gotta run a PR firm.
So, we got one more clip here left to listen to, and it's when Alex gets around to taking some calls.
And he gets a call from a lady.
And I think that through the prism of this phone call, we can get a pretty decent sense of where a lot of the fear people have of Islam comes from.
Where a lot of the fears that Alex Jones listeners and Alex himself has.
And what do you know?
It dates back to all racism of all ages.
They're going to take our women.
jordan holmes
Oh, no.
unidentified
And I also want to talk about immigration, how we're having immigrants from the Middle East come over to America and they are getting our young girls and marrying them within like three months, promising them all sorts of wonderful things and then taking them back to the Middle East where we all know that they won't be safe.
I'm wondering...
If we could possibly back Trump some more on immigration and protecting our young women.
alex jones
In the Middle East, women are like animals.
In North Africa, they're sold as animals.
But no one ever points out it's Islam doing it.
dan friesen
There are problems, certainly.
I don't think it's necessarily appropriate to say that it's Islam doing it.
But there are definite problems that real organizations try to work on.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
alex jones
And you're absolutely right that's going on on a mass scale.
I mean, I got articles right here where Turkey is legalizing sex with nine-year-old girls.
unidentified
It makes me sick.
It absolutely makes me sick.
alex jones
But you're not being liberal.
I mean, the Metro newspaper says you should give your small children sex toys and it has images of little girls.
I can't even say it on air.
unidentified
Up here in Alaska, about three days ago, I got a call.
dan friesen
Hold on a second.
jordan holmes
Up here in Alaska, I got a call.
dan friesen
Yeah.
I want to take a second.
What she's about to get into is an apocryphal story of an individual event, and I don't know if it's true or not.
I have no idea.
What Alex is doing is just throwing back the narratives that he's built throughout the show that don't really place as things to build into this call.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
What were you scribbling down there?
jordan holmes
It's just like...
Maybe if you're so worried about women being sold into slavery in North Africa...
Maybe support the people fighting against that.
Maybe don't support the asshole who's trying to keep those people where they are.
dan friesen
That's an option.
Also, you know, it's not just Islam that's doing...
jordan holmes
It's not Islam, it's people doing that shit.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
Islam as a whole isn't like, okay, here's what we're going to do.
We're going to go to North Africa, we're going to sell women into slavery.
dan friesen
Well, there's also an issue, too, with, like, you know, you could find in almost any rural community, I would bet, people sort of snatching up.
I mean, you can find examples of people who are sort of abusive that always, you know, one of the tactics of abusive relationships is trying to get someone to relocate with you because then it cuts off ties to their support networks and stuff like that.
So this idea that what they're talking about is what Muslim immigrants do to people, a lot of people do that.
A lot of bad people do that.
jordan holmes
Posit this theory.
Maybe it's dudes.
Maybe it's not a religion.
Maybe it's dudes.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
And then about this Turkey situation, I didn't really look into it because...
jordan holmes
Oh, this apocryphal story is from Turkey?
dan friesen
No, because he said that Turkey has legalized sex with nine-year-olds.
I didn't really look into it, but I just pulled up an article here that is from August of last year.
Turkey's constitutional court has prompted anger after voting to scrap a law that automatically categorizes sexual acts with children between the ages of 12 and 15 as sexual abuse.
Judges in the country's high court voted to annul the provision by a narrow margin in response to an application from a district court which complained the law did not differentiate between age groups in cases of child sexual assault.
unidentified
Hmm.
dan friesen
This might be more complicated than Alex is making it out to be, but I'm kind of still inclined to think this is bad.
The complaint also said that the law failed to take into account the consent of victims in cases where the child victim was between the ages of 12 and 15 and able to understand the meaning of the sexual act.
The law's removal is due to take effect in January.
I'm not into this.
Fair point.
jordan holmes
What they just did was they...
dan friesen
But also, Turkey is a terrible place.
jordan holmes
They didn't automatically...
It used to be...
Statutory rape.
unidentified
Right.
jordan holmes
The same way it is here.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
And then they were like, well, what if they say yeah?
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
And then they decided that it's fine.
dan friesen
Provisionally, I think Alex is on the right side of this.
I'm going to go ahead and say that without looking at the rest of this article.
I'm going to give him credit for that point.
jordan holmes
Hey!
You got one, Alex!
unidentified
From a young girl who said that her friend had met, and I'm sure she met him online, somebody from the Middle East, who married her within three months.
never, they never stayed, he never stayed at her house, they never did anything, all of a sudden now he wants to take her down to Texas with his brother and his First of all, that's not back to the Middle East.
dan friesen
Second, I mean, we've got to look at, you know, the psychology of the individual here.
If this is a real person that she's talking about.
And I'm not saying, I mean, because I don't think that, as she tells this story, that there's even anything inherently evidentiary of wrongdoing.
jordan holmes
A girl told me that her friend said this.
dan friesen
She's very unspecific about people's ages.
She's an adult.
She has the right to choose to do this.
Whether it's wise or not is a completely different conversation.
And whether or not...
You should know better than to move to a different state with someone you barely know.
It's a completely different conversation.
jordan holmes
Or maybe she just wanted to get the fuck out of Alaska.
dan friesen
Totally.
It's totally possible.
Alaska probably sucks.
jordan holmes
It's probably not where you want to be.
dan friesen
Half the year, at least.
unidentified
And we tried everything to keep her up here in Alaska so that, you know, she would be safe.
I know she's not going to be safe.
alex jones
Well, no, that's because a lot of these women end up in slave harems.
They get them out of Europe, you name it, usually teenage girls.
Then they fly them out and they're never seen again.
And then they make them have sex with like 50 people a day and stuff.
And then once they get diseases and stuff or pregnant, they just take them out and blow their heads off.
But that's liberal.
So, I mean, why are you against liberalism?
Why are you against empowering women?
Linda Sorcerer cares about you.
unidentified
I'm against the Middle Eastern men.
alex jones
Well, it is well known that that's what they do.
I mean, that's Kosovo's main business is grabbing little Serb girls and selling them off.
But that's liberal.
I mean, they're Christian girls.
They deserve to be chipped in, you know, and gang raped for 10 years and have their heads blown off.
unidentified
Well...
They can keep their liberalism right where they have it because I don't want it coming to the United States.
I want to protect our young people.
alex jones
We're going to take care of your women now.
Like the Mahdi of Jerusalem said, we go to Europe, they are weak.
unidentified
We will take their women.
alex jones
They're going to take our women.
They will come here.
They will live in chains with hoods on hand.
We will chop their genitals off so they get no pleasure.
The pleasure is for us!
Men, not for the subhuman women who have no genes.
Remember, that's what the Young Turk said.
Women are subhuman.
Women don't have good genes.
unidentified
Young Turk, we teach you!
alex jones
We teach you good women!
We liberal!
unidentified
We funded by Gulf State!
jordan holmes
Fake laugh.
Now that's just great.
dan friesen
Isn't it crazy that that is like the perfect end to this episode?
He's rambling out to break with an impression, which he started the show doing a ton of impressions.
jordan holmes
He came out the gate strong.
dan friesen
He is calling back to a narrative that's bullshit that he was selling earlier, and then it's just a load of bullshit.
Just a load of bullshit.
Because, again, that lady, all she has to go on is someone met someone who...
Maybe Arabic or Muslim, and they might be moving to Texas.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
I don't know.
jordan holmes
They're taking our women.
dan friesen
I don't really know if that is the route to what Alex ends up describing of sexual slavery, white slavery in a third world country.
jordan holmes
It's just slavery.
dan friesen
Alex does make a really fine reference in terms of Kosovo.
Kosovo does have a massive human trafficking problem.
unidentified
Yep.
jordan holmes
Maybe support people fighting against human trafficking.
dan friesen
You could do that.
You could absolutely do that.
jordan holmes
That might help.
Instead of scaring weird women in Alaska.
dan friesen
Right.
Into thinking that somehow it's liberalism that is guilty of doing this.
or Linda Sarsour is trying to get people to go into sexual bondage.
It's all such nonsense.
I mean, it is just playing on this fear of they're taking our women.
That is the game that's being played with.
I think we agree there are just touched on poorly.
Yes.
It doesn't matter.
The feeling that you come away from it with and the feeling that that caller is going to go away from it with is that she's validated in her fear that brown people are trying to take our young white women.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
And that is a fucked up narrative that has been with us and has reinforced so much racism, so much segmenting of the population for as long as we've been a country.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
It's sad.
jordan holmes
We still make movies about mixed-race holiday dinners where it's like, he's coming home to dinner, and you're like, what?
It's a black person.
dan friesen
Right.
I mean, they did that Look Who's Coming to Dinner remake within the last eight years.
jordan holmes
Yeah, something like that.
dan friesen
I don't remember when Bernie Mac died, but God rest his soul.
jordan holmes
Yeah, no kidding.
dan friesen
I ain't scared of you motherfuckers.
That's what I say to you info warriors.
I ain't scared of you motherfuckers.
I pull my dick out of this whole room and get stuck.
unidentified
Kick it!
jordan holmes
Love Bernie Mac.
dan friesen
Alex Jones come up to me and he's like, Dan, does my rhetoric taste like pecan pie?
I'm like, bitch, I do not know pecan pie.
alex jones
Kick it!
jordan holmes
Bernie Mac is one of the greatest.
dan friesen
Well, just that sad.
No, he's a funny dude.
He was a funny dude.
Rest in peace.
jordan holmes
Original King of Comedy.
dan friesen
So, yeah.
I mean, I think that that...
I got really uncomfortable in the middle there talking about that article because those pictures, I think...
I wrestled a little bit about whether or not to put those on, put those up and discuss them because I do feel a little weird about it.
It is a little bit unsettling.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Like, there are artistic choices that you make when you're laying out a paper that...
I think that's up for debate.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
I think it is.
But I don't think it is.
I think I wholeheartedly believe that Alex is wrong about the idea that it's intentionally gearing to sexualize children for a nefarious purpose.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
But I do wonder, I do wonder, and I'm not interested in censorship, and I'm not saying they shouldn't have posted these things.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
But I do, I do, I wonder what the value of it is.
unidentified
Well, you know what?
dan friesen
I wonder if you could get away with...
Less shocking art and make the same point.
jordan holmes
I think you could.
And then at the same time, I think one of the central points of that is that we feel so uncomfortable with the knowledge that kids would be fucking.
dan friesen
I'm not uncomfortable with that knowledge.
jordan holmes
No, but that's what...
dan friesen
That's what's being played with.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
That's the feeling that you're getting right there is the question you're having to ask yourself is like, am I sexualizing these kids as opposed to just admitting like, kids are fucking.
dan friesen
Right, right.
jordan holmes
Kids are going to masturbate.
dan friesen
There is a natural element to it.
Right.
jordan holmes
It's not like, hey, fuck kids.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
Or this isn't trying to turn you on.
This is trying to be like...
We need to actually deal with this issue, and the reason we can't is because of our visceral idea of, ooh, kids shouldn't be doing that.
Even though all of us are like, well, I did it then, but kids shouldn't be doing it now.
dan friesen
That kind of thing.
I guess it is the same thing that, I mean, I guess maybe our feeling about it, or at least the feeling that I'm manifesting now, is possibly a result of the shame.
jordan holmes
Right!
That's a great point.
dan friesen
That we grew up around sexuality with.
I mean, for however many years it was, and maybe I'm still not fully out of it.
But there is such a taboo-ness and a dirtiness around sex that doesn't need to be there.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
And I don't know.
jordan holmes
Unless you're Catholic, in which case it probably makes it hotter.
You know what I'm saying?
Breaking that taboo?
dan friesen
But I also don't think that anyone has the exact right answer on what to do with it.
You know what I mean?
I don't think that necessarily...
I don't know.
I can't speak for this writer who wrote that article.
But I don't think that she necessarily would say that she has all the answers.
jordan holmes
I mean, I think there's definitely a certain tongue-in-cheek aspect of you being like, hey, buy your kids sex toys.
Like, that's clearly overtly shocking in order to maintain your attention there.
Because ultimately her point is, like, stop shaming kids about sex.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
You know, that's the big point.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
The buy sex toys for your kids is just there to be like, listen to me talk.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
I'm grabbing your attention with that.
dan friesen
Yeah.
But anyway, beyond all that, A load of bullshit.
And Alex's...
jordan holmes
Alex's Bernie impression is spot on.
dan friesen
Jesus Christ, those impressions.
jordan holmes
How can you get Bernie wrong?
Everybody can do a Bernie.
dan friesen
I hope he continues.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
I really hope he continues doing tons of impressions for the rest of the year.
And drops all the soy boy bullshit and all that nonsense.
Just all impressions all the time.
jordan holmes
That'd be good stuff.
dan friesen
Do a segment on his show where it's just, what does Jocelyn Elders think about this?
Why not do it like Comedy Bang Bang?
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Have your own characters play improv characters.
dan friesen
Get Rainbow Snatch in there to interview Jocelyn Elders.
unidentified
Why not?
dan friesen
That would be great.
jordan holmes
Again, stop giving Infowars good programming advice.
dan friesen
This is the world I want to live in.
Anyway, this has been the show.
unidentified
If you'd like to check out anything more, go to knowledgefight.com.
dan friesen
Yep, that is where...
jordan holmes
That's a great Bernie impression.
dan friesen
The Club of Rome document is up now.
There will be some more in-depth reports.
jordan holmes
See?
Go see the Club of Rome.
dan friesen
Also, if you want to support the show, please click on support the show on knowledgefight.com.
You can become a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
It's one way to do it.
dan friesen
I have a goal, and I didn't want to say it at the beginning of the episode, but I'll say it now in case anyone has continued listening through this.
If we can get the total that we're making a month in donations up $100 by the end of the month, by February 1st, we will release the beginning of the documentary breakdown of Endgame in February.
We'll commit to that.
Putting that out, that's just a goal.
If we can get there...
We're already up, I think, $7 in the month of January.
If we can get that other $93 and get us up to that point in donations and subscriptions, I will commit to you that we will put that out.
We will begin that.
I don't know how fucking long it's going to be.
jordan holmes
Yeah, if we're doing the entire documentary, what's your plan on that?
Are you going to cut clips of that?
dan friesen
I don't know.
jordan holmes
I think we should watch it and MST3K it, right?
dan friesen
That will be figured out within that month.
jordan holmes
We'll release it as a Riff Trax.
dan friesen
On the off chance that people commit and donate.
But be that as it may, I thank everyone who has donated and supported the show throughout our existence already.
I feel very uncomfortable even setting out a plan.
unidentified
I know that.
dan friesen
I feel like a fucking dick already.
jordan holmes
That made me feel so uncomfortable.
I feel like we need to set goals.
Well, right.
No, and we're broke.
Right.
But it's just like, this doesn't sound great to me in my brain.
dan friesen
No, it doesn't.
jordan holmes
We're going to walk that back.
We're just going to release it anyways.
dan friesen
Yeah, guys, sorry.
jordan holmes
Yeah, we're sorry.
dan friesen
Oh, God.
jordan holmes
I apologize.
dan friesen
If you want to unsubscribe from our Twitter, you can just go to...
jordan holmes
We're going to reach a new goal if we lose 93 more dollars by the end of January.
dan friesen
If you want to not follow us on Twitter, we're at knowledge underscore fight.
We're on Facebook, too, if you want to avoid us there.
jordan holmes
I've never heard you say that shamefully.
We're on Facebook!
dan friesen
I'm doing impressions now.
jordan holmes
Absolutely.
Go to iTunes, subscribe, leave a review, do the whole shebang.
dan friesen
Please do, if you like.
But then, beyond that, I don't know.
It's 2018 now.
We've got to get over our John Rapoport obsession.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
So we don't have an exit for the show.
jordan holmes
Yeah, who do we got?
Who do we hate most today?
dan friesen
Logan Paul.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Don't we hate him?
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Go fuck yourself, Logan Paul.
dan friesen
Sure.
And your brother, Jake.
Fuck you, too.
alex jones
Andy in Kansas, you're on the air.
Thanks for holding.
unidentified
Hello, Alex.
I'm a first-time caller.
I'm a huge fan.
I love your work.
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