Today, Dan and Jordan discuss Alex Jones' very combative appearance with Piers Morgan from back in January of 2013. Both men are assholes, so just sit back and enjoy the last episode of 2017 as your hosts actively root against both participants in a "debate."
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| Andy in Kansas, you're on the air. | ||
| Thanks for holding. | ||
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Hello, Alex. | |
| I'm a first-time caller. | ||
| I'm a huge fan. | ||
| I love your work. | ||
| I love you. | ||
| Ah, hello. | ||
| Hey. | ||
| Welcome back to Knowledge Fight. | ||
| I'm Dan. | ||
| Oh, boy. | ||
| Tough times. | ||
| Good start. | ||
| I kind of forgot the process. | ||
| I kind of forgot what I needed to do. | ||
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You were so happy with messing around with the computer. | |
| You forgot about it. | ||
| Well, I was playing the playlist from my laptop as opposed to from my phone. | ||
| And it threw me off entirely. | ||
| I got you. | ||
| And your very harsh disapproval of the... | ||
| Becky Lynch theme song. | ||
| I'm not a huge fan. | ||
| All right, we might have to go back to the drawing board. | ||
| That might not stick around. | ||
| It just gets me pumped. | ||
| Hey, if it works for you, man, it's your playlist. | ||
| I'm fine with it. | ||
| This is Knowledge Fight. | ||
| You're Dan. | ||
| I'm Jordan. | ||
| You're Jordan. | ||
| This is a podcast where we like to sit around, drink novelty beverages, and talk a little bit about Alex Jones. | ||
| That's pretty much what we do. | ||
| Dan. | ||
| It is. | ||
| For the last time in 2017. | ||
| Yes. | ||
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What... | |
| What the fuck is this show? | ||
| I know a lot about Alex Jones. | ||
| I don't know anything about Alex Jones. | ||
| And today we were a bit hungover. | ||
| Had a real nice time last night drinking some beers and some wine. | ||
| Just hanging out until about 5 a.m. | ||
| Crashed on your couch. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| Might have argued about Big Fish. | ||
| We did argue about Big Fish. | ||
| I forgot about that. | ||
| But anyway. | ||
| Not a good movie. | ||
| But anyway, here we are. | ||
| Happy New Year to everybody. | ||
| This will be coming out on New Year's Eve. | ||
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Yes. | |
| We're going to count it down at the end of the show. | ||
| The best thing to do is play this podcast roughly, what do you think, an hour and 45 minutes before midnight? | ||
| Three and a half. | ||
| So, before we get the show started today, I want to take a minute to thank a couple of our new donors. | ||
| Oh, shit! | ||
| I'd like to thank everybody. | ||
| If you want to become a policy wonk, you can go to our website, knowledgefight.com, click the support the show button. | ||
| As these two have done, we very much appreciate it. | ||
| Thank you so much, and congratulations on becoming a policy wonk. | ||
| Lewis? | ||
| I'm a policy wonk. | ||
| Hey, Lewis, thank you very much. | ||
| Also, thank you so much to Polly. | ||
| We appreciate it. | ||
| I'm a policy wonk. | ||
| Congratulations on becoming a policy wonk. | ||
| Thank you very kindly, Polly. | ||
| So, Jordan, today we got an interesting road ahead of us. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| So, on our last episode... | ||
| Your standard entrance to when we start playing clips. | ||
| Sure, sure. | ||
| This one's very interesting. | ||
| It is, because we only have one clip. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| You did tell me that before the show, and I still kind of don't believe you. | ||
| Actually, I lied a little bit. | ||
| We have two clips. | ||
| I knew it! | ||
| But, so, on our last sort of investigation episode that we did, we went back to 2014 in February, and we, because I was trying to trace the path of Alex Jones' take on Ukraine. | ||
| Russia and Ukraine. | ||
| We found it was kind of weird. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And so, I kept looking. | ||
| I kept digging. | ||
| And on... | ||
| As you usually do. | ||
| On the day after what we covered, so it would be like February 24th, I believe, the entire show is about Piers Morgan. | ||
| Years after he went on Piers Morgan's show. | ||
| What? | ||
| Well, I think it's actually like a year after. | ||
| He just goes off on this like, fuck off, Piers Morgan, you got fired, suck it. | ||
| So this is going to be an episode where we agree with Alex Jones wholeheartedly. | ||
| To an extent, actually no, because I don't have clips of that episode. | ||
| It's so boring. | ||
| Oh, well, okay. | ||
| It's just him gloating and being like, suck it, Piers, I win. | ||
| I mean, Piers Morgan does suck. | ||
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Right. | |
| And he should suck it. | ||
| I don't disagree with that entirely at all. | ||
| But there wasn't much really to go on in this episode on the 24th. | ||
| Like I said, it's just him gloating and being like, you got fired. | ||
| You're a loser. | ||
| I have millions of fans. | ||
| But I did find this clip that I think is kind of interesting and sheds a little bit of light on Alex's self-made past and what have you. | ||
| So here's the only clip that I have from February 24th. | ||
| I never had a big-time Warner, AOL, $100 billion company to put me on air. | ||
| I never had all that type of stuff. | ||
| I had nothing. | ||
| I think my dad loaned me like $20,000 over the first year when I first did my Access show and then luckily got a local radio show. | ||
| That's the reality here. | ||
| So yeah, I had nothing. | ||
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He had nothing! | |
| Except a $20,000 loan. | ||
| That was kind of a... | ||
| You know how everybody has access to $20,000 loans from their parents? | ||
| He had nothing. | ||
| He pulled himself up by his rich dad's bootstraps. | ||
| And like we've said in the past, just to be perfectly clear, I don't really think that there's anything super negative about getting help, and I don't think that Alex is wrong to have gotten help or anything like that. | ||
| It's wrong for him not to recognize... | ||
| The position that he was lucky enough to be in. | ||
| To claim you came from nothing is such bullshit. | ||
| Yeah, because the amount of money your parents have to have if they can just drop 20 grand at a time on you is ridiculous. | ||
| And as we know, he used to broadcast out of a property that was owned by his dad. | ||
| Like an office building that his dad owned. | ||
| And his dad got him his first ad to get a radio show. | ||
| So like all of these things. | ||
| And again, not wrong. | ||
| No. | ||
| Just stupid of him. | ||
| No. | ||
| Stupid of him to pretend now. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Anyway, so like I said, it's all shooting on Piers Morgan. | ||
| Like, if he was an orphan, I would have been totally fine. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| If he says he came from nothing and he had, you know. | ||
| Sure, sure. | ||
| No parents. | ||
| I'm on board. | ||
| Then, much more reasonable. | ||
| Right. | ||
| So... | ||
| There's one part that's really funny, and I was trying to find the clip, and I can't find it, so I'll just explain it. | ||
| There's a whole thing where he's going on about how they offered me every TV show in the world. | ||
| They wanted me to do that Joe Rogan questions everything before they gave it to Joe Rogan. | ||
| They wanted me to host Jesse Ventura's show. | ||
| That would have been a very strange show if it was Joe Rogan questions everything hosted by Alex Jones. | ||
| He was saying that they tried to give him the show that Jesse Ventura ended up doing, The Conspiracy Theory. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And I know for a fact that from 2008, I watched an episode where Alex has Jesse on when they're about to start filming for that show, and he's basically just begging Jesse to be his co-host. | ||
| He's like, hey, how funny would it be if I was the co-host? | ||
| That sort of thing. | ||
| I wish I had... | ||
| I'll dig them up. | ||
| I'll find the clips, but for now, I just wanted to point out he's in a real fucking... | ||
| On top of the world headspace on that episode. | ||
| Right, right. | ||
| Well, I was listening to it. | ||
| You know, he was almost Chandler Bing, too. | ||
| He was going to be in Friends. | ||
| He was also almost Joey Tribbiani. | ||
| He was going to play both roles. | ||
| And Rachel. | ||
| Great haircut. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Can you imagine all the girls going around with the Alex cut? | ||
| That would be wild. | ||
| So, I was listening to this episode where he's just complaining about Piers Morgan the whole time, and I agree with you. | ||
| Like, yeah. | ||
| Piers Morgan sucks. | ||
| Piers Morgan go fuck himself. | ||
| But one of the other things I realized is I don't know if I've ever listened to the entire Piers Morgan interview. | ||
| Are we listening to the entire Piers Morgan interview? | ||
| Oh yeah, we are. | ||
| How long is it? | ||
| 13 minutes. | ||
| We're not going to listen to it in one chunk or anything. | ||
| I got that. | ||
| Pause at points. | ||
| I got that. | ||
| But I realized that most people... | ||
| That would be a great episode if we just played that and then Happy New Year, guys, and that was it. | ||
| We just called it. | ||
| It's one of these things where, like, it's stupid. | ||
| And you don't like Piers Morgan to begin with. | ||
| Right. | ||
| But at the same time, you get to witness Alex Jones being a complete fuckhead. | ||
| Like, whatever you think about the person who's interviewing him, he is awful. | ||
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He's an awful person. | |
| Yeah, I agree. | ||
| And so whenever people are like... | ||
| I've had people ask me if I would like to interview Alex. | ||
| And it's things like this that we're going to be going over, which is why my answer is... | ||
| Categorically, no. | ||
| No. | ||
| I would never want to do it. | ||
| Even if you have a command of facts, he's never going to let you play the game that you want to play. | ||
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No. | |
| So, this is from January 7th, 2013. | ||
| Alex Jones went on to Piers Morgan's show, and it made the rounds afterwards. | ||
| Went viral, as they say. | ||
| He was still on the BBC at the time, right? | ||
| No, I think it was CNN. | ||
| He was on CNN? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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Ugh. | |
| Alex Jones... | ||
| Wait, Piers Morgan was on CNN? | ||
| That's awful. | ||
| The next day, Alex Jones went on his show and was like... | ||
| Oh, man, we were being followed all around New York. | ||
| There were people just gang-stalking us. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| They had us sit in this dilapidated, run-down, termite-infested place. | ||
| There was shit all over the bathroom walls. | ||
| Like, I don't know about that. | ||
| Wait, on CNN? | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| Like, Alex, I don't know, man. | ||
| They're a ramshackle operation, that CNN. | ||
| They're really trying to put it together funding-wise. | ||
| He's like, it's all a facade. | ||
| There's shit on the bathroom walls. | ||
| And I'm not saying, like, it's stuff. | ||
| It's poo. | ||
| He's saying it's on the bathroom walls. | ||
| It's a load of bullshit, and he creates, like, a really interesting sort of cover story of what his trip was like. | ||
| In order to, again, it's just mythologizing himself. | ||
| Like, I'm such a threat that they had to have gang stalkers follow me around talking into their sleeves. | ||
| Like, it's some kind of cartoon. | ||
| Oh, it wasn't just, like, regular people stalking them. | ||
| It was like... | ||
| The FBI. | ||
| These guys think they're spies. | ||
| One of them saw that I was looking at him and he just walked into a wall. | ||
| He says that like three times. | ||
| I buy that. | ||
| I buy that. | ||
| It's a real important piece of his narrative. | ||
| That somebody walked into a wall because of him? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Because of his gaze. | ||
| So, I know, I feel like you're disinclined to enjoy this. | ||
| I've never seen or heard it, so I'm on board. | ||
| Have you just heard the clip? | ||
| I mean, because the big clip is Alex Jones screaming at him, 1776 will commence again if you try and take our guns. | ||
| No, I did not know that. | ||
| I've never seen this... | ||
| Like, when we started this podcast, I legitimately knew nothing about Alex Jones, and I'm not allowed to look up Alex Jones, otherwise that destroys the whole premise here. | ||
| So, it has to be something that you introduced to me, otherwise I do not know anything about Alex Jones. | ||
| Well, then I'm glad we're doing this, because this is an important piece of his mythology, it's an important piece of his story, and it's really an instance of where he broke through a lot more. | ||
| than he had before. | ||
| Okay. | ||
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Like, he gained a lot of notoriety, a lot of prominence after this because he made a fucking ass of himself. | |
| Right. | ||
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And so, here we go. | |
| We're going to jump in, and if you at any point want to pause, hit me with a high sign. | ||
| Here we go. | ||
| Piers Morgan and Alex Jones, both being dicks. | ||
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you Anyone who's watched this show over the past few weeks knows I've taken a pretty strong stand on guns in America. | |
| It's on a scape of notice of supporters of gun rights and it's led to a petition on the White House official website, no less. | ||
| It's entitled, I quote, Deport British citizen Piers Morgan for attacking Second Amendment. | ||
| Suck your own dick! | ||
| No. | ||
| Fuck you! | ||
| Alex Jones did that. | ||
| Alex Jones started a petition to try and get Piers Morgan deported. | ||
| I... | ||
| I just... | ||
| Piers Morgan is sucking his own dick. | ||
| No, I believe he is. | ||
| I think he's saying that as a means of introducing Alex. | ||
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Right. | |
| This guy went to the WhiteHouse.gov and tried to get people... | ||
| The most impossible thing to do. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| What took years of effort, years of training and preparation to get all the way to the WhiteHouse.gov website and put a petition to... | ||
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Now... | |
| I would have signed that petition, had I known about it. | ||
| I think like 100,000 people or something signed it. | ||
| It was ridiculous. | ||
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Worth it. | |
| Anyway. | ||
| More than 104,000 people have signed it so far. | ||
| And joining me now is one of the people behind the petition, Alex Jones. | ||
| He's host of the Alex Jones Show. | ||
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Welcome to you. | |
| Beers, thanks for having me. | ||
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Why do you want to... | |
| Starts off polite. | ||
| Starts off polite. | ||
| Let's see how long... | ||
| He's a fine Texan boy. | ||
| Let's see how long it stays polite. | ||
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Who wanted to deport me? | |
| Well, we did it as a way to bring attention to the fact that we have all of these foreigners and the Russian government, the official Chinese government. | ||
| Mao said political power goes out of the barrel of a gun. | ||
| He killed about 80 million people because he's the only guy that had the guns. | ||
| So we did it to point out that this is globalism and the mega banks that control the planet and brag that they've taken over. | ||
| Do they? | ||
| In Bloomberg, AP, Reuters, you name it, brag that they're going to get our guns as well. | ||
| They've taken everybody's guns but the Swiss. | ||
| And the American people. | ||
| And when they get our guns, they can have their world tyranny. | ||
| While the government buys 1.6 billion bullets, armored vehicles, tanks, helicopters, predator drones armed, now in U.S. skies. | ||
| You know what? | ||
| I don't really object to too much of what he's saying right now. | ||
| Say more about that. | ||
| Because that's troubling. | ||
| I mean, like... | ||
| Don't get me wrong. | ||
| This is dovetailing. | ||
| Nobody is going to take away his guns. | ||
| But there is a good point to be made. | ||
| Against the militarization of police? | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| Well, certainly. | ||
| Which is why we all need guns, so when the police come for your guns, you can gun them. | ||
| Now you're making Alex's argument. | ||
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You can gun them. | |
| When the police come for your guns, you can gun back at them. | ||
| Jordan, you're starting 2018 full-on militia sympathizer. | ||
| You know what? | ||
| Uh, careful. | ||
| Hey, all I'm saying is maybe... | ||
| Tread lightly, friend. | ||
| It's not the worst idea in the world. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I'm not saying that I like the militias we have now. | ||
| No. | ||
| But if we... | ||
| Look, if progressives all got together and just bought a lot of guns, I think that would be fine. | ||
| I think what you're describing at that point is a commune. | ||
| I don't understand. | ||
| It's not a militia at that point. | ||
| Look, I've never admired David Koresh. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| That's what makes you and Alex different. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| I would say that it's important to point out, though, that the things that he's describing, the things that he's bringing up, are pretty specifically Jade Helm-adjacent narratives. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| So you have the buying up of... | ||
| 1.6 billion bullets! | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| All that stuff is just all... | ||
| It's his FEMA camp stuff. | ||
| It's all that... | ||
| But the Swiss are in there, so that's nice. | ||
| I don't think... | ||
| I like that the Swiss get a shout-out. | ||
| I don't think that the Swiss and the Americans are the... | ||
| Only people allowed to have guns. | ||
| No, aren't the most per capita guns like in Sweden or something like that? | ||
| Probably. | ||
| I don't know the statistics on it. | ||
| I can't remember. | ||
| There's a Nordic country where it's like everybody has a gun. | ||
| Yeah, there are a lot of countries that allow you to have guns. | ||
| Yeah, I would say most countries allow you to have guns. | ||
| And just because a couple of them have been remarkably successful in curtailing gun ownership and gun violence, that doesn't mean that there aren't countries that are still, you know. | ||
| Do what you want to do. | ||
| Hey, get some guns. | ||
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Yeah, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop. | |
| Being used to arrest people in North Dakota. | ||
| The Second Amendment isn't there for duck hunting. | ||
| It's there to protect us from tyrannical government and street thugs. | ||
| Take the women in India. | ||
| Your piece earlier on CNN I was watching during Anderson Cooper's show. | ||
| Hold on, hold on, hold on. | ||
| I don't recall part of the Second Amendment being about street thugs. | ||
| I don't remember George Washington being like, we can't allow British people to be quartered. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And also street thugs. | ||
| Huge issue. | ||
| Little do you know that there is a provision in the Second Amendment about the knockout game. | ||
| There's a... | ||
| Too many street thugs. | ||
| I mean, to an extent, like... | ||
| Your ability to protect your property and stuff like that. | ||
| I get the application that Alex would make there, but... | ||
| No, he's describing black people. | ||
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This is fairly close to Zimmerman. | |
| I think that there is code being employed, certainly. | ||
| Well, I mean, Alex Jones thinks that, like, George Zimmerman was railroaded. | ||
| You know, there is, like, he doesn't... | ||
| I wish he had been hit on a railroad. | ||
| He doesn't think that... | ||
| He does not agree with the mainstream perception of George Zimmerman. | ||
| Do you mean he's a murderer? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So, Alex here is getting into the idea of there being a lot of rapes in India. | ||
| Yeah, I very much wanted to pause it before I had to hear that. | ||
| So, here we go. | ||
| Jumping back in. | ||
| Tell you that the women of India have signed giant petitions to get firearms because the police can't and won't protect them. | ||
| The answer is... | ||
| Hey, wait a minute. | ||
| I have FBI crime statistics that come out a year late. | ||
| 2011. | ||
| 20-plus percent crime drop in the last nine years. | ||
| Real violent crime because more guns means less crime. | ||
| Britain took the guns 15, 16 years ago. | ||
| Tripling of your overall violent crime. | ||
| Not true either. | ||
| Well, yeah, that's not accurate. | ||
| And what he's doing here is cherry-picking statistics. | ||
| As we know, a much more in-depth study was done by Stanford last year. | ||
| And every place that has a lot of guns has a lot more crime. | ||
| Yeah, there's an increase in violent crime that runs a parallel course to... | ||
| Because everybody has guns. | ||
| Right, right. | ||
| True, we have a higher gun violence level, but overall, mugging, stabbings, deaths, those men raped that woman in India to death with an iron rod four feet long. | ||
| You can't ban the iron rods. | ||
| The guns, the iron rods, Pierce, didn't do it. | ||
| The tyrants did it. | ||
| Hitler took the guns. | ||
| Stalin took the guns. | ||
| Mao took the guns. | ||
| Fidel Castro took the guns. | ||
| Hugo Chavez took the guns. | ||
| And I'm here to tell you, 1776 will commence again if you try to take our firearms. | ||
| doesn't matter how many lemmings you get out there on the street begging for them to have their guns taken we will not relinquish them. | ||
| Do you understand? | ||
| That's why you're going to fail and the establishment knows no matter how much propaganda the republic will rise again when you attempt to So, you know, that's really him working himself into a frenzy. | ||
| The Republic will rise again if you try to take our guns. | ||
| So the Republic... | ||
| Why isn't the Republic rising? | ||
| Doesn't that seem like Counterintuitive there? | ||
| It requires somebody to take the guns before the Republic rises again. | ||
| That is an interesting wrinkle. | ||
| What are we doing right now as far as the Republic goes? | ||
| Are we like, hey, as long as I got my guns, I don't care if this fucking Republic falls around my eyes. | ||
| We're cool. | ||
| I got guns. | ||
| Just stroking a fucking shotgun all day. | ||
| Well, I mean, it does speak to the idea that I think Alex and a lot of people like him have that is the guns are the only thing that matters. | ||
| It's what makes the Republic. | ||
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Right. | |
| And so, yeah, absolutely. | ||
| If they don't try and take the guns, the Republic is safe in their conception, which is not accurate. | ||
| That doesn't make sense. | ||
| No. | ||
| That's like saying the South will rise again. | ||
| It's not going to happen. | ||
| It's kind of what he is saying. | ||
| It is what he's saying. | ||
| As we know, his family did fight for the South during the Civil War. | ||
| And in Confederate circles, he is royalty. | ||
| Which actually comes into play right about now. | ||
| My family and the Texas Revolution against Santa Ana. | ||
| My family was at the core of both sides starting that. | ||
| My family was at the core of both sides starting that. | ||
| What does that mean? | ||
| What the fuck does that mean? | ||
| My family was the winner and the loser of the Santa Ana battle. | ||
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What? | |
| My family started that war. | ||
| Right. | ||
| We had people over there saying you're gonna fight those guys. | ||
| We had people over there saying you gotta fight those guys. | ||
| My family are agent provocateurs from the Texas Revolution days. | ||
| We have always been gunrunners. | ||
| Nothing makes more money on guns than war. | ||
| You know, you got, like, my family was involved in the Texas Revolution with Santa Ana. | ||
| I'm related to Nathan Bedford Forrest. | ||
| I'm related to the Tudors. | ||
| Right. | ||
| It's just fucking... | ||
| He was Cleopatra in a former life. | ||
| He's just doing role play at this point. | ||
| Nonsense. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| He's LARPing as Alex Jones. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Because Santa Ana came to take the guns at Gonzales, Texas. | ||
| Pierce, don't try what your ancestors did before. | ||
| Why don't you come to America? | ||
| I'll take you out shooting. | ||
| You can become an American and join the Republic. | ||
| I would point out that the show is taped in New York, so he's already in America. | ||
| No, he's not in America. | ||
| He can't become an... | ||
| Wait, can you only become an American after you go to a fire range? | ||
| Yep. | ||
| Is that part of the citizenship test? | ||
| Yeah, that's why... | ||
| I mean, it's such an important piece of the... | ||
| The Republic, in order to be a part of it, yeah. | ||
| I feel like that is also counterintuitive there, because he hates immigrants so much. | ||
| And doesn't want them to have guns. | ||
| Why would he want them to have guns? | ||
| Well, I mean, that goes back to what he's positing earlier that we sort of skipped over a little bit, is this idea of the women in India wanting guns. | ||
| Like, yeah, okay. | ||
| I mean, they should be able to protect themselves, absolutely. | ||
| But the bigger issue is the people who are doing the rapes. | ||
| It seems like rape is the larger issue over them having guns. | ||
| Right, right. | ||
| But he doesn't really have a lot of interest in talking about that in the same way... | ||
| Here's a thought. | ||
| We only give women guns. | ||
| Okay, fine. | ||
| I'm in. | ||
| Let's move along. | ||
| Let's do it. | ||
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You finished? | |
| Yes, I am finished. | ||
| You will not take my right. | ||
| You go through background checks to get done. | ||
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I thought you said you were finished. | |
| How about Prozac? | ||
| You know the number one. | ||
| Oh, that's a big sponsor, isn't it? | ||
| Or that whole class of drugs. | ||
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Let me ask you a question. | |
| Oh, whoa, got to cut that off, don't you? | ||
| Don't want to talk about the U.S. number one cause of death is suicide now because they give people suicide, mass murder pills. | ||
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Calm down. | |
| Your answer is give more money to the psychiatrists and psychologists who put more crazy people on drugs that make them kill people, Pierce. | ||
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Let's try and have a debate here. | |
| Why? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Why, Piers? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| What were you thinking? | ||
| You just heard his debate tactic, which is, you want to cut that off, don't you, anytime you speak? | ||
| And there's, like, constant instances of him, like, looking off camera, like, as if for approval. | ||
| Are we still, uh... | ||
| Is someone going to tackle me? | ||
| Are we on air? | ||
| Do we get cut off? | ||
| Right, right. | ||
| My throat's starting to hurt. | ||
| I don't want to waste these pipes for nothing. | ||
| So, uh, let's jump. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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Answer me this question. | |
| I'm sick of the same old script. | ||
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It's fine, bud. | |
| How many gun murders were there in America last year? | ||
| These people are both assholes. | ||
| They're such assholes. | ||
| But it's one of the most remarkable things that you come away... | ||
| I mean, I still don't like Piers Morgan. | ||
| No. | ||
| But listening to this, I'm... | ||
| And it's not because I don't like Alex. | ||
| I'm on his side because he's just trying to be like, calm down. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Calm down. | ||
| He's... | ||
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But that's the... | |
| Why would you have Alex Jones on your show if you don't know what Alex Jones is going to do on your show? | ||
| To be fair, I think that is... | ||
| I think he knew. | ||
| Yeah, that's the whole reason they booked Alex Jones is for him to give them ratings and for millions of people to watch this shit and be like... | ||
| Look at this asshole. | ||
| After Alex leaves, in the next segment, he has Alan Dershowitz on. | ||
| That's a switch in energy right there. | ||
| That's a bipolar situation. | ||
| And what they do, the two of them end up having a conversation about how Alex Jones is a... | ||
| Case in point for why people shouldn't have guns. | ||
| And so there is a little bit of, like, I think they were trying to trap him a little. | ||
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Right. | |
| But at the same time, you can see in Piers Morgan's face, he's getting pissed. | ||
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He's like, what am I doing? | |
| I'm talking to a child here. | ||
| The amount of bile in the... | ||
| Bud. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Perfect. | ||
| Right, the throwing the bud back at him. | ||
| The correct amount of bile there. | ||
| Spoiler alert, the interview does end with Piers Morgan saying, whatever. | ||
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So, we've got that to look forward to. | |
| Also, because we cut at the wrong moment, Piers Morgan has just asked him how many gun murders there are in America every year. | ||
| There were about 11,458, and about 74% of those were gang-related, gangbangers shooting each other. | ||
| You get 3.5 to 4,000. | ||
| How many people died from infections in hospitals? | ||
| 197,000. | ||
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Let me just ask a second. | |
| That's right. | ||
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How many gun murders were there in Britain? | |
| How many great white sharks? | ||
| Killed people every year, but they're scared to swim. | ||
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How many gun murders were there in Britain? | |
| A very low amount. | ||
| I already went over those statistics. | ||
| That was only a few hundred. | ||
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No, no. | |
| How many gun murders? | ||
| I actually did pull up the statistics. | ||
| Here, let me pull them out right here. | ||
| I figured you'd do that. | ||
| Alex Jones has... | ||
| That's a nice little dick move right there. | ||
| I figured you'd prepare for this. | ||
| I've never prepared for anything. | ||
| Alex has, like, maybe six pieces of loose paper that he's waving at Pierce Morgan. | ||
| Like, you see these FBI statistics? | ||
| It's just nonsense. | ||
| It's like, I almost couldn't write a funnier sketch than this. | ||
| Right. | ||
| You know, in the sense of, like, Alex being, like, so performative. | ||
| You can tell he doesn't, he's not sincere. | ||
| The only arguments he has are deflection. | ||
| Like, what about great white shark attacks? | ||
| What about staph infections at hospitals? | ||
| He's doing what about all day? | ||
| Well, but at the same time, the logic doesn't hold, because what about staph infections? | ||
| Like, yes, there are regulations about cleaning hospitals. | ||
| Like, people work really hard to limit the infections that you can be exposed to in a hospital. | ||
| Yeah, but what about them? | ||
| Well, use the logic. | ||
| What about them? | ||
| Apply it to guns. | ||
| I don't understand. | ||
| Necessitate regulations that would mitigate the damages that are caused by... | ||
| No gun regulations, Dan. | ||
| That's tyranny. | ||
| And then... | ||
| And you know what? | ||
| I don't want any hospital regulations either. | ||
| I think that's the main issue. | ||
| If you come for our hospital infections, the republic is going to rise again. | ||
| That is... | ||
| I mean, that tracks. | ||
| I agree. | ||
| I agree. | ||
| We need to foment a revolution and people try and stop us from getting sick at hospitals. | ||
| Or try and limit my access to great white sharks. | ||
| That is a good idea. | ||
| In the wild. | ||
| Where would you like the regulations to stop with great white sharks? | ||
| None! | ||
| No regulations? | ||
| I want to roll it back to the 1700s. | ||
| Like zoos are just going to be chaos. | ||
| You can swim with them if you want. | ||
| You're an adult. | ||
| You're an American, and you have a God-given right. | ||
| It's the 63rd Amendment to swim with sharks. | ||
| It's the 63rd Amendment? | ||
| We're adding a bunch. | ||
| I don't think George Washington was... | ||
| Well, here's what I would suggest. | ||
| George Washington? | ||
| In the Constitution. | ||
| No street thugs? | ||
| In the Constitution. | ||
| Don't even mention them. | ||
| Knockout game was a problem. | ||
| Great white sharks. | ||
| Swim with sharks. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| You are not legally obligated, however, to house a British great white shark. | ||
| No. | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| Crime capital of Europe, London Telegraph. | ||
| Here, let me give you more. | ||
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It's quite a simple question. | |
| Well, that's the oldest... | ||
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You're very loud, man. | |
| No, no, that's the oldest Perry Mason tactic to ask me some little factoid. | ||
| I already said earlier, England has a lot lower gun crime rate because you took all the guns. | ||
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Let me try exactly my point. | |
| But you've got... | ||
| Piers is not doing a good job with this interview. | ||
| But like I said... | ||
| He's clearly thrown off. | ||
| I think a little bit of it is intentional to use him as a prop later. | ||
| I think that there is some of that. | ||
| And God bless him for it, because, I mean, you know, when you have someone with Alex, it is probably the best tactic to just let him play himself. | ||
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Right. | |
| And then just hope that everyone who's watching can see through it and see, like, this guy is unhinged, he's crazy, and he doesn't actually know any of the statistics he's screaming. | ||
| No, does Piers do a lot of camera takes? | ||
| There are a couple. | ||
| There are some good camera takes? | ||
| There are a couple, like... | ||
| Like, does he at any point, does he at any point, Zach from Saved by the Bellet, where he's like, okay, pause. | ||
| And then they go right back to it. | ||
| Time out. | ||
| No, he doesn't do enough mugging. | ||
| I would have, if this was a sketch that I was directing, I would tell him, ham it up. | ||
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Alex, you're chewing just enough scenery. | |
| Peers get a little smugger. | ||
| Boards of people burning down cities and beating old women's brains out every day. | ||
| They arrest people in England if they defend themselves. | ||
| That's on record. | ||
| But where? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| What record? | ||
| That's on Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club! | ||
| The jolly old queen comes out with a decree. | ||
| You will be arrested if you defend yourself. | ||
| Especially if you are an old lady. | ||
| Listen, every day I want an old lady's brain speed up. | ||
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This is the cost of not having guns and we love it. | |
| People burning down buildings and beating up old women. | ||
| I will... | ||
| Trade street thugs for dead old women any day of the week. | ||
| Kind of got to assume that street thugs are responsible for beating old women to death every day. | ||
| It's other old women. | ||
| That could be. | ||
| Britain. | ||
| This is one of the least advertised things about Britain. | ||
| Constant old lady Thunderdomes. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| Constant old lady Thunderdomes. | ||
| Well, it's like the Hunger Games, but... | ||
| With old ladies? | ||
| You mix... | ||
| What's that movie? | ||
| An old 80s movie about killing old people. | ||
| It's that with Hunger Games mixed in. | ||
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Okay. | |
| All right. | ||
| Anyway, I think... | ||
| What, Scanners? | ||
| Was Scanners the movie that you were thinking about? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Blowing up old ladies' heads with your mind? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I'm hungover, man. | ||
| Fair enough. | ||
| Let's just jump back into this fucking clip. | ||
| My God, you've got a total police state. | ||
| Everybody's fleeing that country because you've had to flee here, bud. | ||
| Why don't you tell folks? | ||
| Yeah, you fled here. | ||
| Why don't you go back and face the charges for the hacking scandal? | ||
| Ooh, nicely done. | ||
| Why'd you get fired from the Daily Mirror for putting out fake stories? | ||
| You're a hatchet man of the New World Order. | ||
| You're a hatchet man. | ||
| And I want to say this right here. | ||
| You think you're a tough guy? | ||
| Have me back with a boxing ring in here, and I'll wear red, white, and blue, and you can wear your Jolly Roger. | ||
| In what world does Piers Morgan think he's a tough guy? | ||
| None. | ||
| Piers Morgan is the most aware of how much of a pussy Piers Morgan is. | ||
| Yeah, guys, it was Logan's run. | ||
| Jesus. | ||
| All right. | ||
| But the thing I love is that the way Alex presents it now is that Piers Morgan wanted to beat him up. | ||
| Whereas you can hear very clearly, he's like, hey, how about I come back and we fight? | ||
| Alex suggested that. | ||
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Why? | |
| I don't know. | ||
| Where would you even... | ||
| It proves something. | ||
| Does it? | ||
| No. | ||
| I do love the idea, though, of... | ||
| I don't know if you could hear it there, but what he ends up doing is like, hey, how about you come back and get a boxing ring. | ||
| I'll wear an American flag. | ||
| You wear a Union Jack. | ||
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And Pierce Morgan's response to that is, okay. | |
| You were right. | ||
| He's checked out in a lot of ways. | ||
| In a tremendous way. | ||
| I really like seeing this kind of misery on someone that I don't like. | ||
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Let's try again. | |
| How many gun murders were there in Britain last year? | ||
| How many chimpanzees can dance on the head of a pin? | ||
| I already went over those statistics. | ||
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Do you know the answer? | |
| No, I don't. | ||
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You said hundreds. | |
| It's very low. | ||
|
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You said hundreds? | |
| Yes. | ||
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It's actually 35. Well, the point is... | |
| Do you understand the difference between 11,000 and 35? | ||
| Yeah, England wants to ban knives now because tens of thousands are getting stabbed. | ||
| Yeah, definitely don't engage with this point. | ||
| That was a smart move on Alex Jones' part. | ||
| And no one wants to ban knives. | ||
| That's a gross misrepresentation. | ||
| Well, the chef's union actually does. | ||
| What do they want to do? | ||
| They want to use their hands. | ||
| They want to tear food apart. | ||
| I ask you this, sir. | ||
| How are you going to put cream cheese on a bagel without knives? | ||
| I think you just fucking grab some. | ||
| Well, first you have to tear apart the bagel. | ||
| The same thing has to be done with bread. | ||
| You can't slice bread. | ||
| You have to have a giant sandwich just from one side to the other. | ||
| Slather cream cheese with your hand all over it. | ||
| Press it together and then shoot it with a gun. | ||
| For Christmas, my dad got Wolverine. | ||
| Blades, basically. | ||
| Because he does a lot of grilling. | ||
| He does a lot of barbecue. | ||
| Smoking meats out in Texas. | ||
| It's cool because you can just have these Wolverine claws that you can just punch into the meat and carry it. | ||
| As opposed to having to... | ||
| I would imagine those might... | ||
| That's the first time I've ever wanted to be Wolverine right there. | ||
| Those are legal. | ||
| Pretty sure you can even have those in Britain. | ||
| Anyway, let's move back in here. | ||
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That is true. | |
| Wolverine is the only superhero I can think of who is totally street legal. | ||
| What about Rogue? | ||
| She's like a... | ||
| All of them are street legal. | ||
| What are you talking about? | ||
| She's like a Toxic Mary or whatever his name is. | ||
| Anybody she touches dies. | ||
| But that's not illegal. | ||
| What do you mean it's not illegal to touch somebody and have them die? | ||
| I don't think it's on the books. | ||
| I think that we will have a drastically redefined definition of street legal. | ||
| If you try and take our rogues away, the republic is going to rise again. | ||
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Do you understand the difference? | |
| The knife doesn't kill people. | ||
| The gun doesn't kill people. | ||
| Listen, do you understand? | ||
| You're not going to pull on America's heartstrings. | ||
| They know your script. | ||
| Okay? | ||
| You're not going to get our guns. | ||
| By the way, you guys always say, we just want to take the semi-autos. | ||
| Okay? | ||
| And all this other stuff. | ||
| When semi-autos aren't even rifles, you can pull those numbers up. | ||
| Okay? | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
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Hold on. | |
| Let me ask you one question. | ||
| Which weapon was predominantly used in the Aurora movie theater shooting? | ||
| M4 AR-15 variants. | ||
| So it was a semi-automatic assault rifle. | ||
| Yes, again. | ||
| But statistically, it's very, very low. | ||
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Do you agree on this? | |
| Okay. | ||
| All right. | ||
| This is why Piers Morgan is doing such a bad job. | ||
| I think he's trying, though. | ||
| No, no, but he's not. | ||
| He had no idea. | ||
| Or at least he has no idea what he's going up against. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Because the idea of just coming at Alex and saying, look at these two things, is silly. | ||
| Alex knows that there are two things, and he's going to make it a million things. | ||
| So any argument that Piers Morgan has is purely diluted by that bullshit. | ||
| All you can do, really, to dance with him is prepare to deal with diversion. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You can't really get a central thesis. | ||
| But at the same time, the point that he's making would be devastating if Alex engaged with it. | ||
| But he's just not going to. | ||
| Well, I mean, the issue with Piers Morgan's point is he's trying to build. | ||
| He's trying to do this whole build thing. | ||
| Here's a fact. | ||
| Here's another fact, which leads to this conclusion. | ||
| And that's never going to happen. | ||
| You can't build a house with Alex. | ||
| You can't build an argument with Alex. | ||
| What you have to do is get a boxing ring and beat the shit out of him. | ||
| Wear relative flags. | ||
| Make it a nationalistic boxing match for truth. | ||
| Actually, and I don't think he should wear the Union Jack. | ||
| The British don't really feel that much about the flag. | ||
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No. | |
| I think he should have to wear the Queen. | ||
| The actual Queen. | ||
| The actual Queen. | ||
| Also, I think, like, this is just fun because we, you know, on our last episode from 2014, we had the guy call in and be like, hey, you said you wanted to box Piers Morgan. | ||
| I'll box him. | ||
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I'll do it. | |
| Yeah. | ||
| And Alex was super confused. | ||
| Now we kind of have a little bit of a context for why that was the case. | ||
| Anyway, here we go. | ||
| It's the single biggest shooting in the history of America in terms of people hit by a shooter. | ||
| We topped that shit! | ||
| 2017! | ||
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Did you know that? | |
| No, I believe that there were others. | ||
| There's been some other shootings from about over 30. Alex is legit just denying reality at this point. | ||
| This is statistically true as of 2014 in terms of shootings. | ||
| And Alex is like, no! | ||
| Yeah, but that's not even unique anymore. | ||
| Any interview with one of those people, one of the hard right people is always going to be like, nah. | ||
| Alex was ahead of the game, my friend. | ||
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No, no. | |
| This was the single... | ||
| Do you know which weapon was used in the Oregon shopping mall mass shooting recently? | ||
| I understand that people Just answer the question. | ||
| He's not going to. | ||
| In as much as Alex sometimes makes a fair point, I agree, generally speaking, with the idea that just because there's criminals, you don't get punished for it. | ||
| Now, at the same time, your rights... | ||
| I agree with that argument. | ||
| The idea that just because there are criminals... | ||
| With semi-automatic weapons doesn't mean we shouldn't all have semi-automatic weapons. | ||
| Well, and it's stupid to blame video games, first of all. | ||
| Because, I mean, like you know, I've been playing Skyrim, and I can't tell you how many people I've cut down with a flaming sword in real life. | ||
| Like, I have just been... | ||
| And I've learned magic. | ||
| What's crazy? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Flaming swords are banned. | ||
| Oh, no. | ||
| Can't have them in the UK. | ||
| No. | ||
| Can't have them in the UK. | ||
| No! | ||
| And then... | ||
| There are flaming sword deaths. | ||
| Drastically ridiculous. | ||
| We go over this point ad nauseum, but the idea that he's blaming serotonin reuptake inhibitors and psychoactive drugs is a dangerous precedent to set, because without them, you would see much more violent crime, most likely. | ||
| People unmedicated who need medications... | ||
| Yeah, well, that's the issue. | ||
| It always winds up being the opposite of that. | ||
| If they had some sort of access to medication... | ||
| Maybe we'd have a different conversation about that. | ||
| And a lot of the times, I don't know the full statistics on it, but generally speaking, a lot of the time when you see people who are on psychoactive medication, serotonin reuptake inhibitors, and what have you... | ||
| SSRIs. | ||
| What you see, the people who commit suicide, generally have fallen off the medication. | ||
| Right. | ||
| So... | ||
| Now, that's another good question to have is... | ||
| Another good argument to have is, you know, how effective are they? | ||
| Are withdrawals worse than, you know, there's that whole conversation to be had there. | ||
| Do you know what the weapon use was? | ||
| Listen, let me ask you a question. | ||
| I've got the FBI statistics that, listen, that the so-called semi-autos that you talk about. | ||
| Let's take a break. | ||
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Let me come back. | |
| Again, you're not going to get the guns. | ||
| When we come back, try and answer my question. | ||
| Yeah, all you're going to do is sit there and play little factoid questions. | ||
| Overall crime's gone on over 20%. | ||
| So they go out to commercial with him just yelling. | ||
| And then Alex, the moment he realizes they're at commercial, he's like, Piers, we're doing a great job. | ||
| We nailed it, buddy. | ||
| We're crushing this. | ||
| Yeah, like that British show where he, ah, all right, we did good here. | ||
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So, you know, I take issue with the idea of re-saving Reality and statistics being referred to as factoids in a dismissive way. | |
| Because what Piers Morgan is doing, like you said, which is a loser's strategy in this case, he's laying out building blocks of an argument using statistics, studies, facts, and Alex is dismissing them out of hand just by, oh yeah, you have this crime statistic that's a factoid. | ||
| And I have my own crime statistic, so... | ||
| What are we doing? | ||
| We're just going back and forth with stats on each other? | ||
| Right. | ||
| Like an old married couple that's lost what they have to talk about, they just don't talk anymore, and so it's just like, did you know that 90% of horses can't sleep? | ||
| Bitch, stop with the factoids! | ||
| So they come back from commercial, and I'm shocked he didn't just kick him off during the break. | ||
| Right. | ||
| He had a line producer who was like, this is gold. | ||
| Right, right. | ||
| We're getting ratings. | ||
| Yeah, baby. | ||
| Back now with Alex Jones, a man says I should be deported for my stand on guns. | ||
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So, Alex, here's how this is going to work, and it's entirely down to you. | |
| I'm going to ask you some questions. | ||
| This is not... | ||
| Piers, Piers, you already lost. | ||
| You already lost. | ||
| This is not a good strategy for Alex, or to deal with Alex. | ||
| Like, you never... | ||
| Like, with someone who has such an oppositional, defiant stance in life, you don't approach them with, like, here's the deal. | ||
| Here's what we're gonna do. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Now granted, I mean, Piers Morgan is the host of the show. | ||
| Right. | ||
| He's supposed to be doing that. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And Alex is not really respecting the social contract to a certain extent. | ||
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Wait, what? | |
| You know what? | ||
| You just can't. | ||
| What's fascinating about this is this is exactly like whenever he plays a video on a show where he's like, no, no, no, pause this. | ||
| We're going to have to restart this. | ||
| I can't handle this piece of shit talking the whole time. | ||
| Piers, go back 30 seconds. | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| On what you just said. | ||
| If he could, he would totally do that. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| In the spirit of a proper debate, and you've had a lot to say so far on the show, a lot of it ain't just fine. | ||
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I want you to try and answer the questions. | |
| It's a proper debate, okay? | ||
| I'm not trying to trip you up. | ||
| No, it's not a debate. | ||
| You're running the show. | ||
| You bring in your victims up front. | ||
| Look, you got your little note cards. | ||
| He's mad that Piers Morgan has note cards. | ||
| You're hosting the show. | ||
| You're bringing out little prepared note cards like some sort of idiot. | ||
| Why don't you have handwritten notebook sheets? | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| What the fuck? | ||
| I mean, I know Alex is obsessed with the idea of being off teleprompters and stuff like that. | ||
| I don't know why he's so triggered by the idea that he has note cards or whatever. | ||
| It's the difference between a professional operation and what he does. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Where it's just extemporaneous nonsense off the top of the head. | ||
| It's weird. | ||
| I mean, we don't have note cards. | ||
| What just happened there is he switched from... | ||
| Piers switched from being sarcastic and biting to being condescending. | ||
| And immediately, no matter how little nationalist you are, there's something American about hating a British guy condescending to you. | ||
| There's something quintessentially built into America. | ||
| Once Piers did that, I was like... | ||
| Go get him, Alex. | ||
| Like, I don't know what happened. | ||
| I don't know what happened. | ||
| You're going to be very satisfied by what ends up happening. | ||
| Oh, I knew. | ||
| I knew. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I just gave you FBI statistics that violent crime and gun crime is down over 20%. | ||
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Alex, let me just ask you this. | |
| And you want to go to little factoids. | ||
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No. | |
| They're not little factoids. | ||
| Anybody can pull those up. | ||
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Listen. | |
| Do you have a bodyguard? | ||
| Why do you have bodyguards? | ||
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I don't have a bodyguard. | |
| Yeah, I've seen you on the news with them. | ||
| Why would you have bodyguards on the news? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Wait, are there bodyguards in the show? | ||
| Oh, there's so many of them. | ||
| Because there probably should be. | ||
| There's so many bodyguards on his set. | ||
| If I had Alex Jones anywhere near me, I'd be like, oh, I could use a bodyguard. | ||
| Well, I mean, this goes to his stupid narrative that he has about, like, yeah, if you hate guns, then why do you... | ||
| Well, you're trying to take away our guns, why do you have a bodyguard? | ||
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Right, right, right. | |
| And that stuff. | ||
| And I would suggest that, I mean, I don't know if Piers Morgan has bodyguards, but I would assume a lot of them are security guards for CNN or, you know, business. | ||
| Like, I don't know if they're his bodyguards, per se, or anything like that. | ||
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And... | |
| It's a dumb argument. | ||
| Yes, it's a very dumb argument. | ||
| It's a very, very dumb argument. | ||
| Because people who are security guards are generally licensed. | ||
| You know, that's a good point, though. | ||
| Often they're off-hours cops. | ||
| If we do get rid of guns, maybe we won't need bodyguards. | ||
| We're not creating jobs anymore. | ||
| Tell that to the old ladies in England. | ||
| They need bodyguards. | ||
| What we should have is old lady bodyguards. | ||
| Certainly. | ||
| Certainly. | ||
| Create a robust economy around old ladies' security guards. | ||
| Put them to work. | ||
| Right. | ||
| This is retirement age nonsense. | ||
| Get out there and protect us. | ||
| All right. | ||
| Don't you want to protect your wife from hoodlums or you want to call the police? | ||
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Let me ask you this question. | |
| Why does Dianne Feinstein kill 60 minutes that she plans to try to take Mr. and Mrs. America's guns? | ||
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Stop talking over me. | |
| You guys want to disarm all of America. | ||
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No, I don't. | |
| Dianne Feinstein's bill does gun confiscation. | ||
| No, let me clarify for you. | ||
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You don't seem to understand what I want. | |
| First you register, then you confiscate. | ||
| It's always done the same. | ||
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Here's what we campaign on this game. | |
| Well, here, give me your little cue cards and I'll answer your questions for you. | ||
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What is the weapon used at Sandy Hook? | |
| I've already gone over that and already answered it for you. | ||
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We haven't talked about Sandy Hooks. | |
| No. | ||
| Again, it's a.223 M4. | ||
| Again. | ||
| But statistically, they're using very low percentage of shooting, period. | ||
| But you guys, people wouldn't go swimming because the movie Jaws, even though great white sharks kill five people a year. | ||
| Great point, Alex. | ||
| You nailed it. | ||
| The rhetoric that... | ||
| Do you know what kind of shark was used in Jaws? | ||
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An M3.22 white. | |
| The rhetoric that Piers Morgan is trying to employ is beating back against Alex's argument that semi-automatic weapons aren't used frequently in shootings. | ||
| He's trying to bring up the large shootings. | ||
| Generally are automatic weapons, or semi-automatic weapons. | ||
| I mean, they have to be. | ||
| Which undercuts the argument that most shootings aren't done by those. | ||
| Of course, most people use handguns, or what have you, statistically. | ||
| But those are, you know, you end up killing one person, as opposed to 30, or whatever. | ||
| It's hard to kill people with handguns. | ||
| I think it's not that hard. | ||
| It's pretty hard. | ||
| I've never tried. | ||
| Like, you can't, like, there's, you know, they tell you to shoot center mass and all of that shit. | ||
| Isn't that how they train cops? | ||
| No idea. | ||
| They say center mass? | ||
| Probably. | ||
| I just heard center mass somewhere, and I was pretty excited to use it. | ||
| Pretty stoked about that. | ||
| Proud of you. | ||
| But, no, you can survive a lot of gunshots. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| A surprising number of gunshots you can survive. | ||
| That's definitely true. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, and then all the ideas of, like, shooting you back, that you fly backwards. | ||
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Right. | |
| Nonsense. | ||
| But, be that as it may, I think more often than not, you find, like, people get lucky. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I don't know, man. | ||
| I don't care. | ||
| That's not important. | ||
| Really? | ||
| No, it's not. | ||
| The point that Piers Morgan's trying to make, and he even says, do you understand what I'm getting at? | ||
| And that is that these large-scale tragedies are the ones that always seem to use automatic weapons, semi-automatic weapons, and that's the reason that there is an issue, and that's the reason why people... | ||
| The problem with what Piers is doing is that he needs to have realized by now... | ||
| That yes, Alex does understand what he's getting at, which is why he's doing this. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| What are you thinking, Pierce? | ||
| He understands what he's getting at, and that's why he won't engage. | ||
| Exactly! | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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So... | |
| Alex, you're trying to scare people. | ||
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Let me say something. | |
| There's no metal shark in the water. | ||
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Same type of weapon was used in the last week. | |
| Hitler used semi-autos to kill people. | ||
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Why would you? | |
| Why is the government army that tees against us? | ||
| What about Fast and Furious? | ||
| Why do our government ship guns into Mexico? | ||
| To blame the Second Amendment? | ||
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Let's have a debate. | |
| I get accused when I get you guys on of talking over you of being rude. | ||
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I'm trying to be civil. | |
| You've got to try and answer some of the questions, right? | ||
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Here's my issue for you. | |
| Why do people need, civilians need an AR-15 type? | ||
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Assault rifle. | |
| They already said statistically they're used in a very low amount of the crimes. | ||
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They've been used in the last three mass shootings. | |
| I'll tell you why. | ||
| Because they advertise it in the media. | ||
| Anybody knows that if somebody jumps off the Empire State Building, they put cops up there the next day because copycats come to do it again. | ||
| The media hypes and hypes and hypes. | ||
| Don't just commit suicide. | ||
| Don't commit suicide by killing a bunch of kids. | ||
| And here's the gun to use because it's the one the U.S. Army uses. | ||
| So that argument is a long walk, I believe, towards explaining what is at play in society. | ||
| If you don't understand it, I'll lay it out as best I can. | ||
| From what I got there, his point is that because the media sensationalizes these mass shootings and makes them such a huge story, That means that copycats are arising because of this awareness of that. | ||
| And to some extent the media is doing that intentionally in order to create these sort of incidents, which is paranoid as shit. | ||
| Yeah, but it's also a... | ||
| Fairly interesting argument there is because, yes, the media does tend to benefit from these types of things in the same way that gun manufacturers tend to benefit from these types of things. | ||
| Right, man. | ||
| I mean, this is a philosophical, cultural idea that was thoroughly explored in the Edward Burns movie 15 Minutes. | ||
| And we can move past it there. | ||
| I mean, I just don't think that there's much credence to that argument as being, like, explanatory. | ||
| There's someone in the chat room saying that we are very ignorant about guns, and that may very well be the case. | ||
| I cop to that. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Look, I grew up in central Missouri. | ||
| I had a lot of friends who have guns. | ||
| I know enough about them to have an opinion. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Beyond that, sure. | ||
| I don't know the finer points of gun laws in various states. | ||
| I don't. | ||
| And I admit that. | ||
| Whatever. | ||
| I don't know if that's important. | ||
| I don't necessarily think that a clear understanding of how guns work and that kind of thing is necessary to saying that assault rifles are probably not something that's necessary for people to have. | ||
| Yes, I agree. | ||
| Anyway. | ||
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Do people need them? | |
| They need them to protect us from the number one killer in history. | ||
| Government in the 20th century university study out of Hawaii killed 292 million people. | ||
| It's called democide. | ||
| Google it, folks. | ||
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Do you believe everyone in America? | |
| Should everyone in America, therefore, have an AR-15 if they want one? | ||
| Statistically, where there's more guns, there's lower crime. | ||
| The highest crime is in Bloomberg. | ||
| But you have the most guns of any of the 23 richest countries in the world, and you have... | ||
| Well, America was born on guns and whiskey. | ||
| And slaves. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Just to be perfectly clear, I don't have a problem with people having guns. | ||
| No. | ||
| I want to make that abundantly clear, lest anyone... | ||
| Eh, I do. | ||
| Eh, you're a little bit out there, though. | ||
| Yeah, that's true. | ||
| I mean, I don't think the military should have AR-15s. | ||
| I think it's a bad idea. | ||
| Now that is an interesting can of worms. | ||
| You should be allowed to have a musket, and that's as good as you can do. | ||
| Fair. | ||
| One shot, and then you've got to spend 15 minutes going to town. | ||
| It's true we're a violent society. | ||
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But statistically, knives kill three times more. | |
| Have you seen the FBI numbers? | ||
| Knives, bats, rocks kill many, many times more. | ||
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Alex, let's talk about the guns. | |
| It's not the rock. | ||
| It's not the knife. | ||
| Great movie, The Rock. | ||
| When a mother chops her kids up with a cleaver because she's on Serotonin. | ||
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Tell me why I'm wrong about the AR-15. | |
| Why don't you want to get rid of the drugs? | ||
| Because they're half your sponsors? | ||
| America's number one cause of unnatural death now is suicide. | ||
| Not automobile accident, not cancer. | ||
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You excuse me of attacking the Second Amendment of the Constitution. | |
| I want to get people off pills that the insert says will make you commit suicide and kill people. | ||
| All right. | ||
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All right. | |
| I think we got it. | ||
| I think we got it, Alex. | ||
| So the... | ||
| That idea goes back to a lot of his anti-vax ideas and stuff like that. | ||
| The inserts say it's going to do all that. | ||
| That's a potential side effect, dude. | ||
| That's just how medicine works. | ||
| People's biologies are all different and people have different responses to various inputs. | ||
| That's just how it goes. | ||
| I wonder what it would be like if Piers was willing to just fly with him. | ||
| You know, just, like, roll with the punches. | ||
| Don't stick in one debate area where, like, we're talking about guns. | ||
| No, whenever Alex starts coming at you with pills or an issue, you just be like, the opioid crisis is a big deal, too. | ||
| Do you think that we should legalize drugs? | ||
| And then he'd be like, yes. | ||
| And then the show would end. | ||
| Everything would be fine. | ||
| Everyone would go home happy. | ||
| I'm not sure I agree with that assessment. | ||
| And everybody in the audience would get a free AR-15. | ||
| Yeah, absolutely. | ||
| Look under your chair. | ||
| That's Oprah. | ||
| That's Oprah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| All right. | ||
| All right, thanks. | ||
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Let's get about to the second amendment. | |
| I want to blame the real culprit! | ||
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Alex! | |
| Suicide pills! | ||
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Alex! | |
| Mass murder pills! | ||
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Okay, let me ask you one question. | |
| What's your favorite Sunday? | ||
| First time anybody's ever heard this, by the way. | ||
| Your belief, unless I'm wrong, is that under the Second Amendment, your real concern is that you will be overrun by a tyrannical regime, either from... | ||
| Somewhere else? | ||
| Highlight checkpoints. | ||
| Look at Mexico. | ||
| Total gunman for the citizens. | ||
| Highest crime rate in the world. | ||
| 57,000 people dead the last five years. | ||
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Maybe we should legalize drugs. | |
| Switzerland has the lowest crime rate in Europe. | ||
| Your country has the highest. | ||
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Alex, we have 35 gun murders a year. | |
| You have 11,000. | ||
| People get their brains. | ||
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It's the higher crime rate. | |
| Violent crime is higher. | ||
| It's brains. | ||
| It's people. | ||
| He, Alex has this whole mentality that where there are, like, he's misattributing correlation and causation with the idea that there are more guns now and the crime rates are going down. | ||
| Right. | ||
| He assumes that they must be linked. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And that's just not the case. | ||
| And it doesn't make any sense. | ||
| No. | ||
| And especially you see, like, there was an article I was reading the other day about how New York has hit, like, a 50-year low in terms of crime. | ||
| And, you know, that's a liberal city. | ||
| It's because there's too many street thugs. | ||
| They all moved out. | ||
| Right. | ||
| It's like the opposite of white flight. | ||
| Mm-hmm. | ||
| The street thugs all went over to the suburbs. | ||
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Mm-hmm. | |
| That'd be fun. | ||
| All right. | ||
| Let's ship street thugs out to the suburbs. | ||
| Fine. | ||
| Anyway. | ||
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Trying to get inside your brain. | |
| If you punch to me right now, it'd be not your fist, but your brain. | ||
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Alex, let me get inside your brain. | |
| Okay. | ||
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Okay? | |
| I'm serious. | ||
| You have a very, very big platform. | ||
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You air, I think, on 63 networks. | |
| No, no. | ||
| Wikipedia is like 10 years old. | ||
| I'm on over 140 stations. | ||
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Millions of Americans hear you every day. | |
| That's the stuff. | ||
| Get a plug in there. | ||
| Talk about them pills, Alex. | ||
| Get that in there. | ||
| So now here's where we get to the dismount of the interview. | ||
| We're coming towards the end here. | ||
| This is when Piers really brings it home and he does the nice little gymnastics kind of like... | ||
| Boy, I'll tell you. | ||
| No. | ||
| We have the statistics posted right now. | ||
| Infowars.com. | ||
| Who do you believe was behind 9-11? | ||
| Oh, I absolutely know. | ||
| I have the police on CNN saying, get back, they're going to blow up seven. | ||
| I have BBC reporting. | ||
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Who do you believe is behind us? | |
| I have the proof. | ||
| I heard them on CBS radio. | ||
| They announced they blew up the towers on CBS radio. | ||
| New Yorkers all saw it and heard it. | ||
| They blew up building seven. | ||
| Who do you believe was behind it? | ||
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The American government. | |
| Criminal elements of the military-industrial complex, the same ones that staged Gulf of Tonkin, the same ones that staged Operation, the mass shootings of Operation Gladio. | ||
| I like the way he said that. | ||
| Operation Gladio? | ||
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His administration were behind 9 /11. | |
| I mean that even mainstream news reported that the hijackers were ordered to be allowed into the United States. | ||
| Michael Springman, the head of the visa department, blew the whistle on that. | ||
| So the Bush administration was part of a conspiracy to murder thousands of Americans. | ||
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I can speak in this accent as well. | |
| There it is. | ||
| There you go, Alex. | ||
| To bring in martial law in Germany April 27th. | ||
| 1933. | ||
| Governments have staged terror attacks throughout history or allowed terrorists to attack as a pretext to invade and enslave the populations. | ||
| I probably own more than 50 firearms. | ||
| Many of them have increased in value two, three, or even four times. | ||
| I sleep very comfortably outside Austin, Texas, knowing that I can defend my family. | ||
| Okay, Alex Jones, this is the man who wants to deport me from the country for wanting to get rid of assault rifles. | ||
| No, no, it's to point out you're a foreigner, a red coat, you're telling us what to do. | ||
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Whatever. | |
| Go back to where they took the guns, you don't like it. | ||
| The communists... | ||
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So, that's where it ends. | |
| They go out to commercial and this interview is done. | ||
| Whatever. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So, I don't know what we achieved here, but it's interesting. | ||
| That was pretty funny. | ||
| I enjoyed it. | ||
| It's interesting to me because there is a little bit of that Alex Jones being a complete asshole in a sort of funny way. | ||
| Did not see the British accent coming. | ||
| You didn't? | ||
| I did not see that coming. | ||
| There was a horn on that a mile away. | ||
| See, now that's, again, my fault. | ||
| Because I already made the comparison to him watching one of those clips on his own show and interrupting that. | ||
| Always does an accent. | ||
| Always does the mocking accent. | ||
| I should have seen that one coming. | ||
| Yeah, for sure. | ||
| So, I don't know. | ||
| It's interesting that the way Alex presents this in his own mythologizing of his past is that he goes in there and he slayed the beast that is Piers Morgan and destroyed his ratings and showed him to be the globalist shill that he is. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And then Piers Morgan wanted to fight him because he couldn't handle Alex Jones. | ||
| Right. | ||
| But in reality, when we look at it, he's just being a whataboutist asshole and bringing up unrelated information in order to dodge points. | ||
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Of course. | |
| And he's the one who wants to fight Piers Morgan. | ||
| So the reality does not really match up with his mythology. | ||
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No. | |
| And it's fun. | ||
| Anyway. | ||
| Ten. | ||
| Nine. | ||
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I'm not going to count down a minute here. | |
| This brings us to the end of... | ||
| The year here, 2017. | ||
| I want to thank everybody for coming along with us. | ||
| It's been interesting. | ||
| I agree. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| I would say so. | ||
| Hopefully 2018 even more interesting, and we will see. | ||
| But for now, if you want to check us out... | ||
| Do you want to make a prediction? | ||
| About what? | ||
| About 2018. | ||
| Give me one prediction. | ||
| That's what people are supposed to do in media type things. | ||
| At the end of the year, you're supposed to be like, well, we've learned this, so we can predict this. | ||
| So what do you got? | ||
| Max coins will be the preferred currency in America. | ||
| I don't think max coins are going to get there. | ||
| Max Kaiser will be an economy master or something. | ||
| That would be an interesting... | ||
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Cryptocurrency is getting really huge. | |
| Why not? | ||
| Why not throw a little MaxCoin in there? | ||
| Head your bets. | ||
| Imagine if you had gotten in on the ground floor of Bitcoin. | ||
| Right. | ||
| You'd be a billionaire right now. | ||
| Until next week or whatever. | ||
| Well, right. | ||
| And then you'd be a billionaire again a week later. | ||
| Most likely. | ||
| The stock market is great. | ||
| Quite a roller coaster. | ||
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Right. | |
| I don't know, man. | ||
| I don't have any predictions. | ||
| I can't see anything coming anymore. | ||
| Everything is off and everything is weird. | ||
| Everything's chaos. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's my prediction. | ||
| Okay. | ||
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Let's go odds. | |
| Okay. | ||
| What do you think the midterms are going to wind up looking like? | ||
| The sense that I get, I think a lot of the polling is showing that things are wildly competitive. | ||
| I think the Democrats probably take a lot of seats. | ||
| You think so? | ||
| I think at least enough to flip things. | ||
| Maybe. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| That's a lot of the things I'm seeing, but at the same time, I don't fucking know. | ||
| Is it possible for the Democrats to get a supermajority two-thirds vote in the Senate? | ||
| I'm not entirely sure on that. | ||
| I don't know, man. | ||
| We can't make any of these predictions. | ||
| No, of course not. | ||
| We don't know enough, and it's far enough away that, like, I don't know what kind of smear campaigns people like Chuck Johnson and Cernovich are going to try and float. | ||
| Anything could happen. | ||
| I didn't think it would be close with Roy Moore. | ||
| It was fucking close as shit. | ||
| I can't predict anything anymore. | ||
| I have no idea. | ||
| Well, my suspicion is, or my prediction is this. | ||
| Straight white dudes? | ||
| Still going to be awful. | ||
| I think that's probably... | ||
| I mean, if history is prelude, it looks like that is a good prediction. | ||
| Just looking at the statistics of the Roy Moore vote, especially when you factor in straight white dudes, 70% of straight white dudes, something like that, voted for... | ||
| Or not straight white dudes, just white dudes. | ||
| Although we can assume if you're a Republican, chances are you're a straight white dude. | ||
| I'm hearing from the chat room that a supermajority is not possible. | ||
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Damn it. | |
| Yeah, but be that as it may. | ||
| That would have been nice. | ||
| It would have been nice to be able to override vetoes. | ||
| So is that your only prediction? | ||
| My only prediction is white people are not going to learn. | ||
| They're not going to be like, hey, we fixed it. | ||
| White people are still going to vote Republican. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's something I think is going to... | ||
| Maintain. | ||
| Which, unfortunately, means, I think, we need to commit white genocide. | ||
| Oh, boy. | ||
| My prediction for 2018 is white genocide. | ||
| Not on board. | ||
| We're gonna rise up. | ||
| If you kill our white people, the republic will rise again. | ||
| I think that another prediction is no one's gonna take anyone's guns. | ||
| No, that's definitely not gonna happen. | ||
| That's a prediction I'm willing to make. | ||
| I think we should personally take people's guns. | ||
| Ooh, I have another prediction. | ||
| What's that? | ||
| People will start going to our website, knowledgefight.com. | ||
| Got a plug in there, Infowars.com. | ||
| Now, yeah, you can go to the website. | ||
| You can click support the show. | ||
| Sure, if you'd like to become a policy wonk. | ||
| Also, you can go follow us on Twitter, knowledge underscore fight. | ||
| That's true. | ||
| Did you just say that? | ||
| No. | ||
| Okay, we're also on Facebook. | ||
| We are. | ||
| We're on iTunes. | ||
| We're trying to... | ||
| I'm exploring a couple other podcast distribution things. | ||
| Yeah, I've gotten a couple emails from people who have, like, Androids and stuff like that. | ||
| You can't get us on Android? | ||
| I think. | ||
| I don't know, man. | ||
| You have to get a separate podcast app. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I bet that's the case. | ||
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So... | |
| I found something interesting. | ||
| Loved that. | ||
| That was a great prediction. | ||
| On... | ||
| Info Wars on the Alex Jones Show on January 7th, 2013, the day that Alex is in New York to tape what we just listened to. | ||
| Guess what? | ||
| Fucking John Rappaport was co-hosting. | ||
| What? | ||
| Along with a fill-in host. | ||
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What? | |
| Yeah, Alex had a fill-in host who was a little crazy. | ||
| I can't remember his name, but he's not around anymore. | ||
| But John Rappaport, sans beard. | ||
| In 2013. | ||
| What? | ||
| It was upsetting. | ||
| It didn't take a long time for him to grow the weird beard that he has right now? | ||
| It might be three years running at this point. | ||
| That's a very quick turnaround for beard. | ||
| The other thing, I checked it out this past Thursday. | ||
| John Rapoport was in the fourth hour. | ||
| He was doing the fourth hour. | ||
| Get this. | ||
| Picture was hung? | ||
| No. | ||
| Unclear. | ||
| However, he was not talking about HIV denialism. | ||
| He was not talking about vaccines. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| You know what he was talking about? | ||
| Tom DeLonge. | ||
| What was his take on Tom DeLonge? | ||
| He's saying that UFOs are a false flag. | ||
| I'm in. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Oh, that's right. | ||
| I forgot about UFOs. | ||
| They're real. | ||
| Apparently. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| But he's saying that all this is nonsense in order to make people scared of space diseases. | ||
| In order to sell space vaccines! | ||
| And there's one thing that I was thrilled to... | ||
| I was listening to it, and I'm like, hot take. | ||
| But then also, I got to hear John Rappaport say, Jim Semivan. | ||
| It made me pretty happy. | ||
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There you go. | |
| I was like, yeah, Semivan! | ||
| The only good thing to happen in 2017. | ||
| And it's so weird to have this, like... | ||
| You know, there are sort of spiritual connections between Project Camelot. | ||
| Hold on, I'm sorry. | ||
| Clean-shaven. | ||
| Like, no beard at all. | ||
| Upsetting. | ||
| Upsetting to look at. | ||
| Just weird. | ||
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Yeah, yeah. | |
| That's strange. | ||
| Very much so. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| You know what? | ||
| Without a beard, it's much easier for me just to look at him and say, John Rappaport, go fuck yourself. | ||
| Happy New Year, y 'all. | ||
| Andy in Kansas, you're on the air. | ||
| Thanks for holding. | ||
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Hello, Alex. | |
| I'm a first-time caller. | ||
| I'm a huge fan. | ||
| I love your work. |