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#109: December 4, 2017

Today, Dan tells Jordan all about the December 4th episode of The Alex Jones Show. The episode will live in all our memories as "that time Alex Jones tried to pretend he wanted dissenters to call in, then avoided the minimal valid criticism a caller threw his way and started to fake crying talking about masculinity." Also, Jordan screams about the tax bill.

Participants
Main voices
a
alex jones
20:27
d
dan friesen
58:36
j
jordan holmes
34:33
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pastor david manning
00:02
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Speaker Time Text
alex jones
Andy in Kansas, you're on the air.
Thanks for holding.
unidentified
Hello, Alex.
jordan holmes
I'm a first-time caller.
unidentified
I'm a huge fan.
I love your work.
alex jones
I love you.
dan friesen
Hey, everybody.
Welcome back to Knowledge Fight.
I'm Dan.
jordan holmes
I'm Jordan.
dan friesen
We are a couple dudes who like to sit around, drink novelty beverages, and talk a little bit about Alex Jones.
jordan holmes
That's what we do today.
We're probably going to shout about a lot of other stuff, though.
dan friesen
Yeah, I've got a couple...
jordan holmes
I think we've got some things that need to be shouted about.
dan friesen
I got a couple issues up top.
jordan holmes
Boy, today was garbage.
Today was fucking garbage, Dan.
dan friesen
Not great.
jordan holmes
Anyways.
dan friesen
Hey, not great in all of the same ways that we've been complaining about for a year now.
jordan holmes
It seems as though maybe there's a theme about how this is officially, by scale, the single worst government in the United States in history.
I'm going to call it now.
dan friesen
I think it goes far beyond that.
But be that as it may, I know a lot about Alex Jones.
jordan holmes
I don't know anything about Alex Jones.
dan friesen
That's the theme of the show.
Today we're drinking Mountain Dew Kickstart.
unidentified
Yep.
jordan holmes
You took the black cherry and I took the midnight grape and I regret allowing you to take the black cherry.
dan friesen
You all listening missed a fervent debate about whether or not grape is a fake flavor before the show.
jordan holmes
It was not.
dan friesen
Don't need to rehash on me.
jordan holmes
It was not fervent.
dan friesen
It was fervent.
jordan holmes
It simply happened.
dan friesen
Today, Jordan, we're going to be going over the December 4th.
jordan holmes
It also got into the existentialism of all flavors and whether or not they are real.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
Continue.
dan friesen
Whether or not they depict the reality.
Or a manufactured reality the globalists have put in front of us.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
I've already interrupted you.
Drink.
dan friesen
Anyway, today we're going over the December 4th, 2017 episode, which is Monday, if you're nasty.
Today's kind of...
It's a little interesting.
Some weird stuff happens, and I'm fucking tired of giving that introduction.
Quite frankly.
jordan holmes
Seems like you're giving that introduction a lot.
dan friesen
Every single episode, something weird happens.
jordan holmes
Some weird shit happens.
dan friesen
So we'll get into that here in a second, and we'll complain about the things we need to complain about, but in order to start us off...
jordan holmes
I don't want to complain about it, I want to...
Incite people to violent action.
I should not have phrased it that way.
That's an actionable crime, isn't it?
dan friesen
See, I say complain.
jordan holmes
That's an issue, isn't it?
This may be why I'm in trouble all the time.
dan friesen
Might be.
But to start things off on a fun, decent note, I'd like to play an out-of-context drop from today's episode.
alex jones
I mean, I found out that I've known people for years...
What a shock.
dan friesen
What a shock.
jordan holmes
What?
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
What would they have to badmouth him about?
dan friesen
I'm guessing it's not friends.
I'm guessing it's acquaintances who are like, yeah, Trump's great.
I'm guessing that's what it is.
jordan holmes
Furthermore, it could just be people who say they're libertarian and are actually libertarians.
dan friesen
Oh yeah, that's possible too.
jordan holmes
As opposed to somebody who says he's a libertarian and is actually a conservative fuckface.
dan friesen
And is part of basically a messianic cult around a big old racist fuck.
jordan holmes
Hey, we believe in less government oversight and this guy over here thinks that...
Chimeras are real.
So, I mean...
dan friesen
And demons and stuff.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
Not great.
jordan holmes
No, you're a liberal.
I like your stance.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
On some things.
dan friesen
Also, to start things off on a positive note, I'd like to give a shout-out to a new foreign policy wonk.
unidentified
What?
dan friesen
Which is a real thrill.
Thank you for bumping up the donations, Mike W. I'm a policy wonk.
unidentified
Four stars.
Go home to your mother and tell her you're brilliant.
dan friesen
We appreciate it very much.
Thank you so much.
If you'd like to become a...
jordan holmes
I'm so disappointed when people aren't globalists.
Like, I want to hear the end of the...
It's so ungracious because Mike W., fuck yeah, thank you so much.
At the same time, now raise it up one more cent so we get to play globalists.
It's only one more cent.
dan friesen
I'm not sure that's exactly how it goes.
jordan holmes
I think that's how it works.
dan friesen
Be that as it may.
jordan holmes
I'm trying to get around the system.
unidentified
All right.
dan friesen
I'm actually going to give Mike W. a globalist position.
Not for a penny, but because it's merited.
Here we go.
Thank you.
You're officially a globalist.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
unidentified
Four stars.
Go home to your mother and tell her you're brilliant.
pastor david manning
Someone sodomite sent me a bucket of poop.
alex jones
Daddy Shark.
dan friesen
Thank you so much.
You're now a globalist.
jordan holmes
I think it's because it suggests that somebody sent him a bag of poop.
dan friesen
Every time.
jordan holmes
And it was Daddy Shark who did it.
dan friesen
Of course.
Daddy Shark grew legs.
unidentified
That's how Daddy Shark poops as well.
dan friesen
Daddy Land Shark.
jordan holmes
Beautiful.
dan friesen
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And if you'd like to, I mean, we're going to keep doing this no matter what, but if you'd like to support the show, please do.
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It helps a lot.
Anyway, so today.
jordan holmes
Dan.
dan friesen
Monday.
jordan holmes
Today.
dan friesen
There's a couple things that are weighing heavy on my heart.
jordan holmes
The day that Native American genocide continues further on.
dan friesen
Well, Alex Jones would have you know that actually that is just Trump undoing an unconstitutional land grab.
jordan holmes
Not how that works.
dan friesen
It has to do with the Bundy people.
jordan holmes
That's not how that works either.
dan friesen
That whole mentality.
The taking back of lands and stuff.
jordan holmes
No!
dan friesen
Right.
I know.
I get it.
jordan holmes
No!
dan friesen
I get it.
jordan holmes
I'm angry!
dan friesen
Sure.
So what else you got?
jordan holmes
God, so many things.
Today was such shit.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Like, everything is bad.
Like, Roy Moore is gonna win.
unidentified
Totally.
jordan holmes
We've been saying he's gonna win, but now he's gonna win.
dan friesen
He's gonna win.
jordan holmes
Like, and it's insane amount.
The people who are pushing this fucking tax bill on us are then turning around.
Like, fucking Orrin Hatch.
God, if somebody could shove something so far up Orrin Hatch's ass, it comes straight out through his mouth, and then he gets lit on fire afterwards.
dan friesen
Shoves something up his Orrin Hatch?
jordan holmes
Like a Dungeons and Dragons flaming sword straight up through his fucking ass.
unidentified
Politically.
dan friesen
Like Dawnbreaker.
unidentified
Politically.
dan friesen
Politically.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
He's a fucking tone-deaf piece of shit.
And the Democrats are fucking worthless.
I'm done.
I'm done.
They are fucking worthless.
Sam Seder got fucking...
Liberals are pussies, Dan.
That's why we're losing.
Liberals are pussies.
They'll cave into fucking anything.
Gigantic pussies.
We should all fucking quit.
This is caveman bullshit.
We're in caveman.
Oh, the strong fucking survive.
unidentified
Fuck!
dan friesen
I'm going to blink three times to let the room know that I'm being held hostage.
jordan holmes
All right.
dan friesen
If you want to know more of Jordan's thoughts about tech stuff, go check out...
Check out his blog on knowledgefight.com.
jordan holmes
Wherein I say we have about a month left and if we don't, I'll sack up and get our torches and fucking pitchforks ready.
And goddammit, fuck the Koch brothers.
dan friesen
We have negative time, but it won't fall apart within a month.
But we have negative time until what we need to have done is done.
jordan holmes
I think maybe the problem with the French Revolution that we can really correct, right?
Is they only chopped off the heads.
unidentified
Right.
jordan holmes
Like, what they should have done is chop them up into little sections starting at the bottom.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
And just see how long they survive through that whole thing.
dan friesen
Well, it's because they're demons.
jordan holmes
Well, exactly.
dan friesen
Literal demons.
jordan holmes
Literal demons.
dan friesen
You can't just take off the head of a demon.
You need to cut them into bisected little pieces.
jordan holmes
I think the problem is they're figurative demons and human beings are garbage.
dan friesen
And that all lives within all of us.
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
So you mentioned Sam Seder, and I want to talk about this a tiny bit.
For everyone who doesn't know, Sam Seder today was fired by MSNBC as a contributor because Mike Cernovich...
jordan holmes
Because of Mike fucking Cernovich!
dan friesen
Because Mike Cernovich and his ilk dug up a tweet that he had from 2009 wherein he says that he hopes his daughter is raped by Roman Polanski because he wants his daughter to be raped by someone...
Yeah.
And that is funny.
I mean, it's funny and it's indicative of outrage at people excusing the behavior of Roman Planski because he's an artist.
jordan holmes
It's called a joke.
dan friesen
It's very obvious.
jordan holmes
It's literal satire.
dan friesen
It's very, very obvious.
And I like the outpouring of support that I've seen on Twitter from people like Marc Maron and people who have a voice in an independent platform.
But the very idea that MSNBC would go along with this is a very, very bad sign.
jordan holmes
That Mike Cernovich...
dan friesen
I don't know if it was individually him, but I know he was involved.
jordan holmes
I don't fucking care.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
If Mike Cernovich does anything, every single media outlet should be like, okay, well, let's disregard this entirely.
dan friesen
I think the uniform response should be an eye roll and a...
unidentified
Yeah.
Yeah.
dan friesen
Oh, fuck you.
jordan holmes
This fucking guy.
A guy who's a regular contributor to Infowars got an MSNBC guy fired.
dan friesen
And someone...
jordan holmes
Fuck you.
dan friesen
Someone who Cernovich would be very scared to speak to.
Because, I mean, say whatever you want.
Say he's too liberal or whatever.
I don't know.
I don't know what anyone's complaint would be.
Sam Seder's a fucking genius.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And, uh...
He can hold his own in debates on policy and on all sorts of things.
So the very idea that Mike Cernovich would be too cowardly to discuss this with him and instead take this sort of a route is kind of exactly against the things they pretend they're under attack about all the fucking time.
Yep.
jordan holmes
Oh, are you saying that hypocrisy doesn't actually fucking mean anything?
dan friesen
No, but it's an effective tool for them.
unidentified
Exactly.
dan friesen
But the other thing, the reason that I'm bringing it up is because we need to be very, very scared.
About what this portents.
And that is, and I think we probably had examples of this in the past, but it's coming down now.
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Anything you said.
dan friesen
No, these people on the other side, these alt-right fucks and what have you, have gotten a pretty good system together for suppressing people's speech.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
And you need to be very careful about that.
jordan holmes
And getting away with murder.
dan friesen
Who's getting away with murder?
jordan holmes
Charlottesville.
dan friesen
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
I guess they're getting away with that, too.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
No, that one guy, I mean, he got arrested, right?
jordan holmes
I don't give a shit.
The whole movement is fucking responsible for that shit.
dan friesen
All right, fine.
jordan holmes
They're all fucking guilty.
dan friesen
Yeah, fair enough.
unidentified
I'm done.
jordan holmes
I'm done.
dan friesen
The other thing I wanted to bring up was a little article I ran into this morning in my goings over of the news.
And this is an article out of tablet.com, tablet magazine.
And I checked into it, and this is absolutely true.
And the headline for Alex, in case you don't want to hear anything from the article, is In Russia, an old anti-Semitic blood libel gains political traction.
jordan holmes
Hey, I've heard that before.
dan friesen
A bishop close to Putin claims Tsar Nicholas II may have been killed in a ritual slaying, a century-old canard blaming the Jews for...
I've heard of that one!
Right.
And the reason that this is very important and we should be very worried about is because this is more indicative of why Alex and the Russians are very in line philosophically and very in line.
unidentified
Anti-Semitism.
dan friesen
Right.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
And when you look at the things that Alex talks about, about how the Russians are waking up and why he's like, they're on the right side of things, he generally mentions like, they talk about how there's poison in the vaccines.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
It's a well-poisoning type narrative.
unidentified
There we go.
dan friesen
And it's really, really scary because this isn't just some crazy cleric guy or something saying this.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
He's a guy who's very closely aligned with Putin.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
He's a very high-ranking bishop in the Russian Orthodox Church.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
His name is Shevkunov.
Tikhon Shevkunov.
And so what he did is he brought this up.
He brought up this idea that the Jews ritualistically killed Tsar Nicholas in a sense, in a ritualistic ceremony that was needed in order to usher in Bolshevism, which is an idea that a lot of people have...
You know, spread in years since then.
It is a popular idea among crazies and anti-Semites.
And the thing that's really scary is this next line.
Following Shevkunov's comments, the powerful investigative committee, Russia's equivalent of the FBI, quickly announced that it would take part in such an investigation of alleged ritual killing.
So.
unidentified
Hey!
jordan holmes
Welcome to 27th fucking Teen.
Awesome!
dan friesen
When we talk about these things, these ideas that Alex Jones presents, these narratives that he has and what's behind them, what we need to realize is the reason that we're talking about Alex Jones is because he's at least slightly entertaining.
And on top of that, he's a really easy to cut through and disprove asshole.
But that doesn't mean that there aren't...
People in the world who believe the same things as him that are much more dangerous.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it'd be terrible if it was the president and people near him.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
It would be awful.
dan friesen
This is a 101-type situation in terms of what's motivating a lot of the...
And a lot of Trump supporters who don't even realize these things are what's motivating them.
They've been duped entirely.
And so, uh...
jordan holmes
Well, so many of them think that they're not fucking racist.
Like, the whole...
Ultimately, if you voted for Trump, it's because of race.
That's what it is.
It's because of race and the complete and utter failure of neoliberalism.
That's probably true.
dan friesen
I mean, it's a mix, and there are certain other little pieces that are factored in.
But yeah, generally, I don't want to argue on it.
So let's get to today's episode, December 4th.
There's going to be something that happens that I think you'll like.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
But first.
jordan holmes
That's nice.
I could use a thing I like today.
dan friesen
So, the episode starts with Alex complaining a whole bunch about that guy, Peter Ross, I believe, from ABC, who reported that he had a source that was telling him that Flynn was asked by Trump to get in touch with Russia.
jordan holmes
The guy who got suspended from ABC for being slightly wrong.
Or for being entirely wrong about this one piece of information.
Whereas if he worked at a different media outlet, he would not just have been not suspended, probably would have gotten a fucking raise.
dan friesen
Let's remember the times that Alex Jones has gotten things wrong, let's say in terms of the Hamdi Ulukaya Chobani yogurt situation.
He got sued for slander and had to make a public apology and then immediately started saying, I wasn't really wrong.
He was.
He was very much wrong.
So he's complaining about that a bit, but he gets sidetracked by someone else in pop culture, and that takes him off on a weird...
jordan holmes
David Jones?
dan friesen
Nope.
jordan holmes
Not David Bowie?
dan friesen
Nope.
I wish my dad would live forever.
alex jones
It's just crazy, but they don't care.
They're the globalists.
They're the outside power, and they're getting ready to try to remove the president.
So here's Joy Behar.
Here's Joy Behar celebrating the disinfo that they're sharing.
Three days later, still on the internet, they don't care.
Here it is.
unidentified
Welcome back to the show.
Breaking news.
Oh, my God.
Oh, breaking news.
ABC News' Brian Ross is reporting Michael Flynn promised full cooperation to the Mueller team and is prepared to testify that as a candidate, Donald Trump directed him to make contact with the Russians!
Yeah!
Yeah!
alex jones
We're going to destroy the recovery.
jordan holmes
We're going to arrest the president.
alex jones
We're going to have a civil war.
unidentified
Yeah!
We're gonna destroy America!
jordan holmes
Still going, huh?
unidentified
Yeah!
Woo!
alex jones
Yeah!
unidentified
Oh!
jordan holmes
You're really ruining this song for me.
dan friesen
Yeah, and then he goes out to commercial.
He just goes out to commercial.
First of all, fantastic analysis.
It's great.
Second, this is Monday's episode of his show.
They did that on Friday, and then people made retractions.
I don't know if The View did.
I don't really care.
Who gives a fuck about The View?
They're not a hard-hitting news outlet, first of all.
And then, second of all, she's saying that Brian Ross is reporting that.
That is true.
She didn't lie.
Now, it would be great, I don't know, because I don't watch The Fucking View, if they, on Monday's episode, said, we got it wrong, we got bad information from ABC, you know, please don't, or whatever.
But if you Google...
The Flynn, Brian Ross, whatever.
It's all people being like, ABC got it wrong.
Offington Post, ABC got it wrong.
Every single outlet has made it clear, like, yeah, we reported that he reported that, but also now we're reporting that he was wrong.
jordan holmes
I don't think the people, I don't think The View should issue a retraction.
dan friesen
I don't care.
jordan holmes
Because did you hear how happy...
dan friesen
They're thrilled.
jordan holmes
They were so happy.
dan friesen
What's great, too, is if you watch the video, a couple of people at the desk, not thrilled.
Because they have their conservative people.
I don't think Elizabeth Hasselbeck is still there.
My friend from Survivor, season two.
But they still have their conservative voices, and they're just sitting there like, harumph.
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Fucking good.
dan friesen
Yeah.
But the crowd loved it.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
I wish I could live in that moment where it's like, what?
We're finally going to get him?
Hooray!
And if they retract him, then the sad groan would be just as long.
You know how everybody was clapping for 45 fucking seconds?
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
I don't want to hear a groan that lasts that long.
dan friesen
That's half of our show.
unidentified
No.
dan friesen
Burrito in the chat, my favorite season of Survivor was season two.
That one was great.
I loved Chicken Joe.
unidentified
Liberal!
dan friesen
Liberal!
Chicken Joe was not a liberal, I don't think.
His name was Chicken Joe.
jordan holmes
Chicken Joes are, generally speaking, not progressive.
dan friesen
It was a great season, season two, and they're in Australia.
unidentified
All right.
dan friesen
Anyway, let's move along.
This next clip, Alex is complaining that no one will retract the story.
jordan holmes
The one that was retracted almost immediately?
dan friesen
And somebody actually got fired for it.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Gotcha.
He was suspended.
unidentified
He wasn't fired.
dan friesen
Fake names.
Excuse me.
I gave out fake names.
jordan holmes
You need to retract that comment.
unidentified
White!
dan friesen
Alex has been trying to troll everybody with the white Christmas and pretending that it's like, oh, it's racist.
Everyone thinks it's racist.
So he's playing that because he thinks he's going to piss people off and everyone just doesn't care.
I don't really care.
jordan holmes
Or instead of trolling, it's more like, yeah, no, you're racist, regardless of the song.
dan friesen
It has nothing to do with the song.
jordan holmes
So who fucking cares what song you're playing?
dan friesen
Right, right.
unidentified
Yeah.
Play fucking DM.
alex jones
You know, we've got a Christmas message from the president that upset a lot of Democrats over the weekend.
They're so bigoted, they're so anti-Christian, that even the Germanic traditions, the Tannenbaum and things, they want that type of stuff banned.
jordan holmes
Kill yourself.
alex jones
Obviously, and tell kids they can't hand out Christmas cards at public schools because there's a separation of church and state.
No, the...
Schools shouldn't have an official religion, but you can hand out whatever you want.
So these are authoritarian dirtbags who want to shut down free speech across the board, but they're failing.
And people like Joy Behar last week, the Huffington Post, and hundreds of other publications will not retract their reports about her.
Celebrating the fake news that Flynn was ordered to meet with the Russians before the president was elected.
Which could be some type of collusion, perhaps.
dan friesen
The only reason I left that in is Alex did admit there that it's collusion if you did it before.
So let's hope something does come out eventually that they were, because then, Alex, you just admitted that's collusion.
I don't know.
I like the idea that he's trying to present that it's all just that they're mad about Christmas and all this stuff.
He's trying to play that sort of card.
I've never heard anti-Christmas fervor.
From anybody?
Like, atheists?
jordan holmes
I can't think of any time.
dan friesen
I've heard mostly anti-Christmas stuff from Christians who are like, it's too commercial.
That's the most aggressive criticism I've ever seen.
It's about Jesus.
It's not about gift-giving.
And stuff like that.
I've never heard one of my trendy, liberal friends be like, you know what?
Fuck Christmas.
Because we should celebrate Kwanzaa.
jordan holmes
Actually, you know what?
Fuck Christmas.
We should celebrate Mithras Day.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
The actual holiday about the actual guy.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
Because Jesus is bullshit.
dan friesen
Well, but, like, the only argument that anybody makes is, like, other people have other holidays.
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
Be cool.
jordan holmes
Maybe don't be a dick about Christmas.
unidentified
Be cool.
How about that?
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Be cool.
jordan holmes
What drives me insane is this is such one of those moments.
Where you see the disparity of the liberal, the progressive bent cannot make any mistake.
Right.
The conservative bent can make all the mistakes.
dan friesen
Yeah, I mean, Sam Seder made a not even mistake.
jordan holmes
No, it wasn't a mistake.
dan friesen
Eight years ago.
It was nothing.
Yeah.
unidentified
And Mike Cernovich has fucking put out horrible tweets.
jordan holmes
Mike Cernovich got people fucking shot at!
dan friesen
Yeah, he's pretended that he didn't be involved in Pizzagate.
jordan holmes
No, there's archived...
No, it's this, and it's the trick that we fall into, right?
We are holding ourselves to the standard of...
We have to deal with reality.
dan friesen
Yeah, that's a problem.
jordan holmes
And the conservatives are holding themselves to the standard of, reality's bullshit, we don't even need to worry about that.
dan friesen
That's what I was saying when we were talking right at the beginning of this.
Hypocrisy is a tool.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
You know, it's a function, not a bug or whatever.
Right, it's a feature, yeah.
It's intentional.
I mean, I kind of, if it didn't hurt and destroy public...
Discourse and public credibility and trust, I would be like, that is an amazing trick.
jordan holmes
I mean, hey, maybe let's do that.
Have we considered that?
dan friesen
I don't know how.
jordan holmes
Like, okay, what if we just lied all the time?
dan friesen
Okay, let's try.
Give me something to lie about.
We're doing this wrong already.
jordan holmes
Okay.
If we all adopt socialism, then everybody will get healthcare.
dan friesen
And NONC will come back to life.
jordan holmes
Exactly!
Alex, what could be better than bringing NONC back to life?
dan friesen
That's right.
Socialism is known to bring dogs back.
unidentified
Socialism does that.
dan friesen
That you may have murdered.
jordan holmes
Hey, if you think globalists have med beds and you want them to be released throughout the world, we'll do it for you.
dan friesen
Absolutely.
jordan holmes
Adopt socialism.
Everyone gets med beds.
dan friesen
Absolutely.
unidentified
I know...
dan friesen
What's that other guy's name?
Kramer.
Randy Kramer.
jordan holmes
I know Randy.
Yeah.
dan friesen
I know Randy Kramer.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
He's got the med beds.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
He's got a Kickstarter for it.
jordan holmes
Fuck it.
You guys want Raptors?
We'll throw Raptors in there, too.
dan friesen
Absolutely.
jordan holmes
This is a President's Day sale of lies.
That's what's going on right here.
dan friesen
This is the Easter sale.
jordan holmes
Okay, you're right.
dan friesen
It's only December.
jordan holmes
We are extending those lies.
dan friesen
Free shipping on the med beds, too.
Who would take a bath on that?
They're heavy.
jordan holmes
You put in auto-ship on top of that, we'll give you a 5% extra discount.
dan friesen
Can't come up with why you'd need two med beds ever, but one might.
jordan holmes
Who wouldn't need two med beds?
dan friesen
Indeed.
jordan holmes
What are you saying?
Are you trying to tear apart the family?
dan friesen
Yeah, I guess.
jordan holmes
You need at least four med beds.
dan friesen
Socialism is about destroying the family.
jordan holmes
Oh, no!
Damn it!
We're shitty at lying!
dan friesen
I told you, I'm lying.
So, you might think that Alex is going to get off this topic and get back to something that matters.
jordan holmes
No, I think he's going to stay on Joey Behar till we all die.
dan friesen
Boy, what a prediction.
alex jones
So here's Joy Behar, Merry Christmas, celebrating the lie.
Oh, and the producer walks out hands with a card and says we've got breaking news.
Yeah, more fake news that now their low information voters are still sharing this.
Still sharing all the celebration clips.
dan friesen
I'd like to take just a quick second to imagine what level of nonsense Alex's audience is sharing.
That's debunked and not true.
jordan holmes
Interesting.
dan friesen
I mean, we don't have time, but just imagine.
Just imagine.
jordan holmes
I like that he thinks that...
Who cares about...
Like, you're getting...
Even in your anger, you're wrong.
Who cares if low-information voters hear that the president might be...
dan friesen
Because he wants the low-information people.
jordan holmes
No, I mean, not just that, but like...
dan friesen
It's like, low-information is my game!
jordan holmes
But that information doesn't affect votes!
dan friesen
No.
jordan holmes
That information is like, oh, we can all breathe a sigh of relief.
It's not like, well, I guess I'll vote against him.
Like, everybody who's happy is already voting against him.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
You're not going to change low-information voters by being like, yeah, you know that crime we all know the president committed?
He committed it!
unidentified
Whee!
jordan holmes
Yeah.
alex jones
When they cuss at you on the street, you go, hey, that's fake.
Oh, shut up, Russian!
You're going to prison!
Hey, actually, that's not true.
Shut up!
I'll throw hot coffee on you!
I'm going to tell you F off!
jordan holmes
The one time a liberal wasn't a pussy.
dan friesen
But also he antagonized that dude.
It's not like he was just walking around and the guy's like, hey, I want to throw some hot coffee on you.
He was like being a dick to him.
jordan holmes
If you see a rich person in a nice suit, throw coffee on him.
dan friesen
And the guy threw coffee on him after the dude who threw the coffee clearly watched him chase somebody down.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Or at least, you know, anyway.
jordan holmes
Hey, did you press charges, Alex?
No.
So shut the fuck up.
dan friesen
No.
alex jones
I'm a god.
We're gonna screw the country over.
You got it, Jones?
You got it, Trump?
You got it, America?
We don't want the facts.
Here's Joy Behar.
jordan holmes
Play it again.
unidentified
Oh, my God.
Oh, breaking news.
ABC News' Brian Ross is reporting Michael Flynn promised full cooperation to the Mueller team.
dan friesen
Well, he's been on The View.
unidentified
And is prepared to testify that as a candidate, Donald Trump directed him to make contact with the Russians.
dan friesen
T.T. has better analysis this time.
unidentified
Yes!
Yes!
jordan holmes
He goes, no.
unidentified
I'm hearing nothing.
Wow!
Thank you!
I think he's just I think he just doesn't understand genuine human happiness, so he's listening to it like a robot, trying to be like, okay, what does that sound like?
dan friesen
Well, let's see.
He's coming back with some analysis here.
alex jones
Celebrating, even if it was true, celebrating wild-eyed.
unidentified
But none of it is.
alex jones
And that's what they do.
They celebrate hoaxes.
And the low-information voters celebrate being manipulated and lied to.
And they're upset the economy's roaring back.
They're upset optimism's roaring back.
They're upset small businesses are coming back.
They're upset!
What are they going to do to fly over country if it can't be bankrupted and controlled?
And here's what they're really upset about.
Again, the president, Melania, with one of their Christmas messages on Friday, by throughout the weekend, there was just, this is bigoted.
This is hateful.
Obama only said holidays.
Trump said Christmas.
This is a cult trying to tell us what words to use and overthrow traditionalism.
dan friesen
Yep, what do you got?
jordan holmes
So what this is all really about is that Trump and Melania, which, by the way, he definitely makes sure that it's not Melania Trump, it's...
Donald Trump and then Melania.
dan friesen
He's already said that he has information that Trump fucks around.
jordan holmes
Yeah, well, of course Trump fucks.
alex jones
They have an understanding.
jordan holmes
If he still can.
Right.
So this is all about Christmas.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
That's what this...
Everyone cheering for the eventual impeachment and hopefully felony conviction and hung by the neck until dead Trump is because he said...
Merry Christmas.
dan friesen
Well, and the liberals and the globalists are scared of the power that saying Merry Christmas has, and therefore they're pissed off that he's bringing this tradition back.
And to that...
jordan holmes
That makes sense.
I buy that.
dan friesen
To that I say, when I was a young man, I didn't think it could get...
jordan holmes
You dabbled in witchcraft.
dan friesen
No.
jordan holmes
In Merry Christmas-based witchcraft.
dan friesen
I read some books.
unidentified
Yeah?
dan friesen
Read some Crowley.
jordan holmes
You did a little dabbling.
dan friesen
But be that as it may, I didn't think it could be more pathetic than Fox News' handling of the idea of a war on Christmas.
jordan holmes
Oh, yeah.
dan friesen
I really thought that that was some shameful, desperate, fear-mongering cash grab.
jordan holmes
Sad.
dan friesen
When we talked about, a second ago, we talked about the Christian complaint that I had always heard about Christmas was that, you know, it's over-commercialized, getting rid of the reason for the season, and what have you.
And when you take that to its logical extent, obviously scamming your audience is just commercially based.
jordan holmes
Seems like it.
dan friesen
So all of the War on Christmas ideas is not, it's not, like, it's.
jordan holmes
It's cannibals.
dan friesen
It's literally the worst version of getting outside of the reason for the season.
And so, I mean, Alex is probably...
Behaving in what I would describe as the least Christian way.
jordan holmes
What's amazing to me is that that segment producer who came up with that idea is not a billionaire.
dan friesen
Like back in Fox News days?
jordan holmes
Yeah, because that has resonated so much.
Like, he should have gotten at least 150% raise, right?
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
I mean, think about how that's...
dan friesen
It makes me think of that episode on The Wire where D 'Angelo is talking about the guy who invented the chicken nugget.
jordan holmes
Yeah, didn't get shit.
dan friesen
Yeah, that sort of thing.
jordan holmes
Pathetic.
dan friesen
Yeah, it's too bad.
Anyway, this is about where we leave the Joy Behar segment of the show.
unidentified
Are you sure?
dan friesen
And I should tell you, it's about the first half hour or so.
jordan holmes
I was going to say, there's no way it was just a couple of clips.
dan friesen
No, he makes hay out of it.
There's no doubt about that.
And then, towards the end of the first hour, there's a bunch of rambling, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
But towards the end of the first hour, he does something that I got...
Pretty excited about when I heard it.
I should also tell you, I'm pretty sure he's drunk.
I'm pretty sure he's drinking.
Because at one point...
jordan holmes
Because after the Flynn news came down, he was like, I better start getting ready for the eventual drunk that's going to last a month.
dan friesen
A little bit later in the episode, I did hear him, that sound that sounds like ice clinking together, like a highball or something like that.
And it happened to, again, happen exactly when they had the other image up on screen.
The, like, let's go to the caller image so there's no video on him, and it sounds like he's slurping a drink.
Could be a big gulp.
Yeah, it could be, but his behavior gets pretty weird.
unidentified
Filled with vodka?
dan friesen
His behavior is weird.
But before we get to that, let's say I had high hopes when I heard this.
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
And we'll see what your response is.
alex jones
So here's the toll-free number to join us, 877-789-ALEX, 877-789-2539, and people that disagree will go to the head of the line, 877-789-2539.
First-time callers, by the way.
Agree?
Disagree?
You're welcome.
I want to hear from you, 877-789-2539.
And please, I don't want any joke callers, okay, that call up and act like they're a liberal.
There are real ones out there.
Some of them can actually form sentences.
On the street, all they say is, F you, we're going to get you Russian agent.
Well, I'm trying to give those folks a chance to call in person to person and actually on a platform.
dan friesen
First of all, there's no one there now.
There's no one who's going to be answering the hotline.
It's 7.30.
They don't do the nightly news live.
I'm sure they don't have an answering machine.
jordan holmes
What if they do?
dan friesen
Ugh.
jordan holmes
Fine.
It's in there.
dan friesen
It's in there.
I think it's just going to keep ringing.
jordan holmes
At least it's in there.
I got it in my phone.
dan friesen
Let's finish the clip.
jordan holmes
Okay.
alex jones
Because nowhere Owen Schroer goes, nowhere Millie Weaver goes, or any of our reporters on the street, 99% of these people will not...
Talk to us.
They will not discuss anything with us.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's true.
It's crazy.
alex jones
They have no intellectual argument.
Well, here's your chance to prove me wrong.
dan friesen
So, first of all, the premise there at the end, everywhere I go, no one will talk to me.
I wonder why that is.
I have an alternative explanation other than they have no intellectual argument.
I would pause it.
jordan holmes
Let's role play.
dan friesen
Okay.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
Should I be Alex or you?
jordan holmes
No, I'll be Alex.
dan friesen
Okay.
jordan holmes
Hey, how do you feel about the...
Impending tax bill!
dan friesen
Hey, go fuck yourself.
jordan holmes
Fair.
dan friesen
That's probably how it all ends up going.
We've seen him do man-on-the-street shit.
He chases down people in Seattle.
jordan holmes
Or even more likely, just be like...
dan friesen
He screamed cupcake at that lady when he was drunk on the streets.
jordan holmes
I have to get to work, and I don't have time to get into this shit with you.
dan friesen
And like I said, I think in one of our first episodes, we were discussing what would happen if I saw Alex Jones in the wild.
My response was, I'd probably throw up.
Just from like...
Because it's like...
jordan holmes
I'm such a huge fan!
dan friesen
It's not that.
It's a realization that he's real, kind of, to some extent.
I listen to this shit every day, and like...
I still don't really believe that he's corporeal.
jordan holmes
Yeah, you think he's like a Wizard of Oz situation?
unidentified
He's like a robot or something like that, because it's just too ridiculous.
dan friesen
The idea that someone lives in this much of a deceitful headspace is terrifying.
I was walking around earlier today.
I absorbed all the news and what have you.
Just the various things.
Some of the stuff we talked about at the beginning of the show.
Other stuff, like with the Supreme Court, saying that the travel ban is possibly okay.
jordan holmes
Hey, great!
Thanks, guys, for Neil Gorsuch.
That fucking pile of shit who can go fuck out.
How many flaming swords do we have?
dan friesen
We need more.
But, like, the...
Spells out for the future.
I was walking around and I almost broke down in tears just walking down the street, which is fairly uncommon for me, but a Christian Scott song came on my random playlist and it hit a nerve.
jordan holmes
No, I don't want that part.
Should I strike that from the record?
I was like, you got me emotionally because I was very struck by the same thing.
And then you said Christian Scott and I was like, oh, am I a pussy now too?
Do I have to?
Tamp down my emotions like the good Irishman that I was?
dan friesen
The point I was trying to get at is I know what effect this is having on me.
Dwelling in the world of Alex Jones and listening to him regularly.
There are so many people who listen to him regularly and I can't imagine how it's not affecting them.
I was trying to get myself into I don't know if I'm articulating this well, but the thought that I had was like, what must it be like to think this is right?
Or think this is real?
Or think that anything that he's saying is true and not just trying to sell you shit?
Absorbing that hatred, absorbing that, again, just repackaged anti-Semitic canards.
What kind of toll does that take on you if it's taking this kind of a toll on me?
And I'm keenly aware of what I'm listening to and deconstructing it and fighting back against it.
It's horrifying.
jordan holmes
I think you are going about it the exact opposite direction.
unidentified
Erection?
jordan holmes
Did I say erection?
I think you did.
Oh, man.
I think you're going about it.
I think you have an innie erection is what you're doing.
dan friesen
I have a convex bone.
jordan holmes
The exact opposite direction.
dan friesen
Right.
It's too much empathy.
jordan holmes
Because if you are stupid and angry, which you have to be to listen to him in this regard, you can't be...
dan friesen
I think that you're wrong.
I disagree.
jordan holmes
I mean, obviously I disagree.
I just put forth the exact opposite idea of what you just said, and I hold by it.
dan friesen
Well, the reason that I think you're wrong is I think that you become stupid and angry.
And maybe you're stupid to begin with.
But I think that people get, like, I know that for me, when I first listened to Alex Jones a little bit, or our friend Marty DeRosa, when he listened to Alex, some listeners who I've talked to who used to listen to him, who aren't idiots, one of the reasons that you do is because a lot of the conspiracy stuff is pretty stupid.
Yeah.
unidentified
There's some stuff that's pretty interesting in the idea of forbidden knowledge and the idea of like an alternative explanation of so many things that seem unexplainable.
dan friesen
Right.
unidentified
The insinuation of someone who knows truth is very alluring and you start I think by degrees you could end up becoming dumber and angrier because...
dan friesen
Those narratives hook you and you don't realize it.
jordan holmes
Okay, let me go back.
I use stupid in the wrong way.
What I meant is naive in the classical sense.
Because there is no...
Because like with our friends who have listened before, naive is not something that you can gain.
Naive is something that you only move away from.
So anybody who is listening to Alex Jones and believing in that stuff is naive, and they have not grown away from it.
Just like I don't begrudge anybody who...
Like, it's not that you're stupid if you listen to Alex Jones.
You're stupid if you continue to believe Alex Jones.
dan friesen
Right, but I think that there is a piece of his marketing operation, quite frankly, and his bigotry machine, which work in tandem and they're inextricable.
But I...
jordan holmes
New...
Product for Knowledge Fight Line.
dan friesen
What's that?
jordan holmes
Bigotry Machine.
dan friesen
Okay.
jordan holmes
It's like the cow goes moo.
It's just racist versions of that one.
dan friesen
Or that's the name of our new Shredcore band.
But those things, one of the features of how it has to work is you have to instill in your audience a sense of...
acquired and reinforced naivete.
Like, you need that to sustain, because if you lose that naivete, you start to read articles.
Right.
unidentified
And you start to say, like, oh, this is stupid.
dan friesen
Right.
unidentified
Or you start to ask questions of, like, shout out to the chat room, Nick, my old Christian scotter, All right.
dan friesen
I had to undercut my own point.
I was getting too serious.
jordan holmes
I'm very angry with you.
dan friesen
Anyway, let's move on to this next clip where Alex again.
jordan holmes
Christian Scott, man.
dan friesen
I was young.
Anyway, I was naive.
I didn't ask a lot of questions.
jordan holmes
Now you've grown.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So in this next clip, we get to hear more about how Alex is going.
jordan holmes
But before we do that, sorry, real quick.
Just my point being in regards to that.
Naivete is something that you can tamp down and you can force to maintain.
dan friesen
Yes.
jordan holmes
It is not something that can be...
Like, you can't go towards it.
You can only go away from it.
Do you know what I mean?
dan friesen
I believe so, yes.
jordan holmes
Okay, that's my point.
Like, I use stupid as a catch-all, and it is kind of something that...
I don't mean in that regard.
dan friesen
It is dumb.
jordan holmes
It is dumb, but it is not that they are dumb.
It's that they're naive, and it is dumb to continue to do that.
dan friesen
Yeah, and I think what we can sum it up with is only the naive can stay.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
dan friesen
The rest will be flipped.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
dan friesen
But in this next call, we get more about how Alex is going to take calls.
alex jones
I'm giving the phone number out.
For people that disagree and really think that we're under Russian control, that I'm getting orders from the Russians, that I'm getting funding from the Russians, that Trump is, and that there's proof there.
I can't believe I'm on air even saying this.
This is so ridiculous.
It makes me angry just to say it, because it's like, you're welcome to call in and ask if I'm a violent player from China.
It's just...
Has no connection to who I am.
But that's the whole narrative by the globalists that have hijacked the country.
They're the foreign multinational force.
But I want to challenge you.
Are you proud of what Mueller's done?
Are you proud of the fact that there's nothing in any of this?
I mean, Trump's done nothing.
jordan holmes
That's not true.
dan friesen
That's far, far from the truth.
jordan holmes
Even if all they're doing is putting together an obstruction of justice case, which is what the Democrats seem to think is what...
Mueller's ultimate endgame is.
He did that shit.
dan friesen
Totally.
jordan holmes
Like, you don't need to prove it in court to be...
It's obvious that he did that.
dan friesen
I would like to do my impression of Alex Jones nigh on 100 years ago.
80 years ago, maybe.
jordan holmes
80 years ago?
dan friesen
80 years ago, probably, yeah.
jordan holmes
So, 1930s?
dan friesen
Al Capone hasn't done shit!
Look, he forgot to fill out a tax form.
jordan holmes
That's true.
dan friesen
He forgot to fill out a tax form.
Everybody's coming around saying he killed people, saying he was running booze, saying he was running numbers.
It's bullshit.
He just forgot to fill out a form.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Look, they get indict a ham sandwich these days.
unidentified
Right, right, right.
jordan holmes
Now, you can say that Jefferson Davis is an agent of the South.
But that's just like calling me an agent of the South.
What am I next?
An agent of China?
Come on!
dan friesen
What am I, a violin player from Mars?
Come on!
Let's make ridiculous straw men.
jordan holmes
Is that some Star Wars?
dan friesen
It was.
jordan holmes
In the cantina?
dan friesen
That's some jizz.
What was their name?
jordan holmes
That is what they called it.
dan friesen
Yeah, that's the genre.
jordan holmes
God, so good.
dan friesen
What's that Snice Noodles?
I remember that from when I was a kid.
jordan holmes
I can't remember.
dan friesen
The Cantina Band?
jordan holmes
If we were off air, I would remember it immediately.
dan friesen
All right, fair enough.
So, in this...
jordan holmes
No, I think their name was the Baroda Jizz.
dan friesen
No, no, no.
I think that was the genre.
jordan holmes
No, there's no such genre.
They weren't playing jizz music.
dan friesen
The band.
The band.
The chat room could chime in on this if we're wrong, but I'm pretty sure it was like Snice Noodle.
That was the name of the band leader.
jordan holmes
You're thinking of Sly Stone and the family band.
dan friesen
I might.
jordan holmes
You're thinking of Sly Stone and the cantina band.
Snice Noodle and the cantina band.
Now that's great.
I had a huge hit with In Time.
dan friesen
I'm seeing from the chatroom Figurin' Dan and the Modal Node.
Is that correct?
Is that correct?
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
I don't care anymore.
I don't give a fuck about Star Wars.
jordan holmes
Figurin' Dan.
dan friesen
I'm hearing from the mooch.
Jizz is the genre, so suck it!
jordan holmes
God, screw you!
dan friesen
All right.
jordan holmes
Playing that jizz music.
dan friesen
Alex has built up the fact that he's going to take calls, and Sly Snoodle's band was at Jabba's Palace, so I wasn't...
Totally off.
I have these nerd memories from when I was younger.
jordan holmes
Like weird nerd flashbacks?
dan friesen
Yeah, exactly.
jordan holmes
I did LSD and watched a lot of Star Wars a long time ago.
dan friesen
I was in the trenches.
So Alex has presented...
jordan holmes
The spider leadership got to me.
dan friesen
He's going to take calls, and he's going to try and get some antagonistic callers, see if people can prove that he's related to Trump.
And I want to be clear, I had way too much work to do today.
And I was not listening live.
I had to double back.
If I had heard this live, I probably would have called in.
And been like, Alex, you admitted on air that you've spoken to Russian intelligence and that you didn't alert the FBI afterwards.
That is enough to be very seriously concerned about your allegiances.
Now let's talk about blood libel.
Now let's talk about how much your position on Putin has changed over the years.
Now let's talk about these weird conversations you had with Roger Stone and Steve Pchenik.
In the December of 2015.
jordan holmes
It was a weird turn the last time we went on a double date and you were like, okay, no, this getting to know each other is fine.
Now let's talk about blood libel.
Again, it's not far off.
That was a strange turn.
dan friesen
I was hanging out with some comedian friends.
One of the best in the business, Lisa Trager, was in town over the weekend.
And I went to go see her perform with our friend Marty.
And I did explain to you.
unidentified
You did exactly that.
dan friesen
Not to them, because Marty already knows and Lisa was busy.
unidentified
Right.
jordan holmes
If I could have gotten Lisa, if I could have gotten the headliner, I would have gotten right in there.
But I had to stick with the host and that shit.
dan friesen
Look, Lisa and I, whenever we get together, we just want to talk about various deep cuts from Britney Spears' first album and what have you.
Of course.
jordan holmes
Who among us does it?
dan friesen
But that is, that does end up coming into my social life way too much.
jordan holmes
I know.
dan friesen
Way too much.
jordan holmes
I've been there.
dan friesen
Guys, it's important.
There's a fucking, there's a new holocaust coming.
jordan holmes
I know!
dan friesen
Do you understand?
jordan holmes
What am I supposed to say?
I do the same thing.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
I have to avoid it.
dan friesen
Good.
I feel bad for whatever influence you may have on our caller's social lives.
Or our callers?
jordan holmes
Our callers?
dan friesen
I got caller in the head because the rest of the show is going to deal with a lot of calls.
jordan holmes
I got an erection in the head.
Oh, no.
Oh, no.
dan friesen
So, Alex talks for 35 minutes about, and this is with commercials cut out 35 minutes.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
About whether, you know, I'm going to take these calls!
unidentified
Yes.
dan friesen
At a certain point, I'm like...
You're vamping.
You don't want to take these calls.
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
You're worried that someone will...
jordan holmes
Say something smart.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
And then you're going to have to be like, no, it wasn't in the articles of Section 2501C is where you're wrong, sir.
dan friesen
Under common law.
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Maritime law.
dan friesen
Here's the first clip.
First caller.
jordan holmes
You're not an admiral.
alex jones
And they believe they're in an existential war with Christians, and if they can just dominate...
America that they fed off of, then somehow they'd be somebody.
That's the whole existential struggle they're in.
They're just sacks of trash.
jordan holmes
And they hate us.
alex jones
They're like hordes of zombies.
They just hate the living.
unidentified
They hate those that are informed.
alex jones
All right.
Ken, Kevin, Terrence, Aaron, Chad, John.
Does any of these people disagree?
Maybe Kevin does.
jordan holmes
Yes, and Terrence probably does.
I've known a lot of Terrence's.
Not a huge fan of Alex.
dan friesen
Do you think this first caller he goes to is going to be critical?
jordan holmes
No!
I think this first caller he goes to might actually plug one of his products.
dan friesen
Let's see.
alex jones
Kevin in Canada, you're on the air.
Go ahead.
unidentified
Yeah, Alex, I've listened to you longer than the NSA has.
dan friesen
Now, I'm going to give you a chance to, do you think he's critical or do you think he's a fan?
jordan holmes
I'm going to go with he's a fan.
dan friesen
Okay, let's see.
unidentified
And watched your show.
And I have to say, you're probably the worst double-speaking liar there is.
Ooh.
dan friesen
So, this got me very excited.
jordan holmes
Alright, here we go.
dan friesen
Because I was like, oh shit.
jordan holmes
Let's jump into this.
dan friesen
Let's see what he says.
unidentified
And I can prove it.
The first thing is, when it comes to Russia, there's one thing that you could do to prove it, but you won't.
Release your finances.
dan friesen
So first of all, that's a bad attack.
jordan holmes
Not a great one.
dan friesen
Because he needs to release his finances for other reasons.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
Russia's probably not funneling him money.
jordan holmes
Like all of his boats.
dan friesen
Right.
All these other things, and quite frankly, I think the world would be much better off for knowing how much he's making on these fake pills.
Yeah.
unidentified
But there's other reasons that we...
dan friesen
It's at least a dart.
jordan holmes
You just named the top five people on my hit list.
Politically.
dan friesen
Politically.
At least it's a dart.
At least he's throwing a dart, and I appreciate it.
unidentified
Yeah.
And prove to your audience where your money actually comes from.
keep going okay the second as far as double speak goes i mean you already said on joe rogan's podcast that you were pressured by your advertisers to lie about y2k you said that russia launched intercontinental ballistic missiles against the united states now
Another reason why you're probably tied to Russia is you don't call Vladimir Putin a literal demon.
Just like you call Hillary now, you called Putin back then a literal demon.
alex jones
Okay, hold on.
That's a lot for me to remember, so let me just go through each one first.
dan friesen
First of all, take some fucking notes, Alex.
You have huge stacks of paper in front of you.
You should use it.
jordan holmes
Or fucking screen your callers.
dan friesen
In fairness to Alex against this caller...
Y2K, he didn't say that Putin was literally a demon.
He said he's resembling a demon.
He says that he is on a power trip and going crazy, and people have said he looks like a demon.
jordan holmes
This is why we lose, Dan.
Who gives a fuck about that?
We don't need to be honest.
We don't need to recognize the truth.
We need to lie.
You know what he said?
He didn't just say Putin was a literal demon.
He said Putin gave him a handjob in high school.
dan friesen
Nah, I go back to the early...
jordan holmes
Pretty sure he said that on Y2K.
dan friesen
We go back to the Chris Gethard early motto.
Lose well.
That's what I insist on doing.
We will stay true to reality and inevitably get murdered by hordes of ding-dongs.
jordan holmes
Win like a bitch is my motto.
dan friesen
I don't like that.
So, Alex is needed to take a break, because he's gotta write this down, or I can't remember all those two complaints you made.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right.
In fairness to this caller against you, he did make three complaints.
dan friesen
Really?
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
The finances.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
Putin.
Oh, and then lying about Y2K?
But those two are sort of parceled together.
The lying about Y2K is absolutely true.
And he does say that on Rogan's show.
And it's clear that...
jordan holmes
Yeah, he was pressured to lie about Y2K.
Putin's not a little demon.
dan friesen
Because his advertiser was Ted Anderson of Midas Resources.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
And he really wanted him to spread panic in order to sell gold.
jordan holmes
You got it.
dan friesen
That is why he did that.
unidentified
Nailed it.
dan friesen
Yeah.
I mean, I can't wait.
We've got to do that 9-11 episode one of these days.
Because I didn't want to do it, but then I started to think more about Ted Anderson.
jordan holmes
And how many 9-11s that we're currently living through?
dan friesen
Well, I started to think about Ted Anderson.
I remember from watching the 9-11 episode, there's a lot of gold sales on it.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
For as much as Alex screams...
I called this.
And all that stuff.
Gloating about how right he is about everything.
jordan holmes
Because he's a human being with empathy.
dan friesen
Yeah.
A lot of it...
That might be another connection between him and Trump.
unidentified
Their immediate reaction to 9-11.
dan friesen
So I think that his complaint about his finances could have been better presented, but good call.
The lying about Y2K, good one.
The Putin is a demon thing, good, but also slightly inaccurate.
jordan holmes
Also...
Inconsequential.
dan friesen
Right.
Let's see how Alex responds.
alex jones
I've told the story about not knowing how real Y2K would be.
dan friesen
It wasn't.
alex jones
And how the Navy said it was all going to crash and how the government first put out that it was going to be this real thing.
And then I didn't believe it was real for a while.
And then by the end, sponsors and listeners, like, convinced me.
dan friesen
So, that means you lied.
jordan holmes
Convinced him.
dan friesen
Sponsors convinced you.
jordan holmes
Convinced him.
dan friesen
Listeners convinced you.
jordan holmes
They convinced him.
dan friesen
If listeners convinced you, you need to reassess how you get information.
Secondarily, if sponsors convinced you, then you are lying in order to appease a sponsor.
jordan holmes
I don't understand.
dan friesen
So he has admitted that his critique is actually correct.
jordan holmes
Don't get it.
dan friesen
Alright.
alex jones
That okay, maybe something's gonna happen.
Then ABC News reported...
That an intercontinental ballistic missile was fired from Russia and may have malfunctioned on Y2K.
William Cooper and others edited the tapes together for me like on air 18 hours that day to make it like some five-minute tape to sound completely insane.
So that's fake news.
The other thing is release my finances.
Release your finances.
What does that mean?
Like, show us Russia isn't giving you money.
Russia's giving me zero money.
I'm financed by the listeners buying products.
And last time I checked, I think we have almost no orders going into Russia.
The UK orders a lot of stuff.
Canada orders a lot of stuff.
Mexico orders a lot of stuff.
Strangely enough, France orders a lot of stuff.
And Japan and Australia, they still pay.
You know, the fact that it's expensive to get stuff over there.
I'm trying to set up a European division, an Australian division.
That's coming next.
You know, so we can actually have product and warehouses there.
dan friesen
He's turning it into a plug.
He's turning it into a, we're gonna be able to get you product faster here in the future.
He's pretty smooth.
jordan holmes
That is smooth as shit.
dan friesen
But then also...
jordan holmes
Credit where credit is due.
This slimy piece of garbage can go fuck himself, but goddammit if that wasn't great salesmanship.
dan friesen
But then the other idea, too, of, like, you release your finances.
That's not an answer.
And when he says, Russia gave me zero money, again, that's entirely possible.
I don't think it's a reasonable thing to think, oh, you know what happened?
Kislyak gave him $50.
That's an absurdly low amount for whatever we're talking about.
jordan holmes
Our issue isn't that Russia did or did not give you money, although they certainly did by boosting your...
Hit counts and all of that shit.
You sold more advertisements to people, so technically they did give you money.
dan friesen
In an indirect way, yeah.
But there's another thing that's really interesting, and I'll put together some clips about this in the future, but there have been a number of times that people have called in and asked him about the Koch brothers and whether he gets money from them, and he does not answer that.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
He just answers that they're not that important.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
Yeah.
They're not really all that political.
jordan holmes
They only give me a million and they gave that fucker, Yiannopoulos, like $20 billion.
dan friesen
Yeah, I need more.
jordan holmes
Who gave him his book deal?
dan friesen
Let's get through the rest of this.
jordan holmes
Let's get to the bottom of that boat.
alex jones
I mean, to make it better for folks, but I mean, again, you literally, you literally, because see, if I say something on the biggest podcast in the world, it's not like I'm saying it in secret.
I always see the headlines.
Jones caught!
Smoking pot.
We caught him on a podcast that had 45 million viewers.
It's like saying, Jones got caught, you know, in the Super Bowl.
If I was in the Super Bowl, I got caught throwing a football.
I mean, it's just these little weird semantical games that people engage in are just bizarre.
I mean, where's the evidence of Trump and Russia?
Where's the evidence that I'm involved with Russia?
dan friesen
Well, there is you admitting that you spoke to Russian intelligence.
jordan holmes
Not a good defense that time.
dan friesen
It's not great.
jordan holmes
His slimy move into a sales pitch?
Great.
His dissembling on, like, I got caught throwing a football?
Does that one work for you?
dan friesen
Also, it's more fun to bring up the idea that, like...
On Y2K, you also said there were concentration camps set up at an Austin airport.
So, I mean, that's not Russia, but it is fun.
jordan holmes
But the Canadian guy didn't bring that up because that was true.
dan friesen
Right.
alex jones
Do you literally, actually with a straight face, Kevin, do you believe that I have some connection to Russia?
unidentified
So, Alex, I'm going to take you up on your deal.
I will release my finances, and you will have to do the same.
You just said it to your whole audience.
alex jones
Hey, hey, hey, listen, bro.
You have nothing.
I appreciate your call.
You've got your proof.
I appreciate your call.
There you go, folks.
There you go.
I said Russia fired a missile.
And then I must be paid by the Russians.
They have nothing.
They have no facts.
We're going to make America great again, whether you like it or not.
Have fun up there in Canada, bro.
We'll be back with more calls.
dan friesen
So he has that call, and he thinks he won that one.
He thinks he won that exchange, and it works reasonably well.
The break music plays, and he talks over him when he's trying to make another point.
But be that as it may, that's fine.
Deflection and non-answering of questions in terms of the critiques that the guy brought up.
Fine.
So he gets back from commercial.
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
Gets back from his commercial break and gets a little defensive.
This call might not have been the best for his headspace.
jordan holmes
He doesn't like negative reinforcement.
dan friesen
Not necessarily.
alex jones
We just took a call from somebody that was going to give me evidence of my Russia connections.
And he had none.
It's ridiculous.
The Cold War is over.
Ideologically, Russia is more like the US used to be.
We face the same globalist foes, multinational corporations that want to control our countries.
That's the only connection we have with Russia.
And I do share Russia's views on getting away from globalism.
And I don't buy all the hype about Vladimir Putin because I've investigated it myself.
It's the same mainstream media lying about me that lies about Putin.
And I'm certainly not lionizing Vladimir Putin.
The point is, most of it's a load of bull.
That's their country.
This is my country.
The communist Chinese are the ones that have bought off a lot of our media, that are starting to control Hollywood.
They're the big issue.
unidentified
Sure.
alex jones
So.
jordan holmes
Long pause.
alex jones
Before I go back to your calls, just briefly here, I do want to remind listeners that we are under globalist attack for a good reason, because we're effective, we understand what's going on, and we're promoting freedom worldwide, and we're exposing the globalist program.
So if you do support the broadcast at Infowarsstore.com, it's a big deal.
dan friesen
It's a big deal.
jordan holmes
It is a big deal.
Hey, you know how much he hates those globalist, multinational corporations who, yes, Trump did just give $2 trillion to.
Yes, that is true.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
But because prosperity.
dan friesen
Trump runs a multinational corporation.
jordan holmes
Because prosperity.
dan friesen
Right.
That's why.
All that gets into that hypocritical nonsense game that doesn't work.
jordan holmes
We can't do this anymore.
dan friesen
The thing that I want to bring out of there is that Alex is being very clear, and we already knew this to a great extent.
That what he does identify with and connect with the Russians is what he believes to be fighting against globalism and the globalists.
And as we know from a years-long investigation, the globalists aren't real.
The globalists are Alex Jones' cover for archaic anti-Semitic canards that inform his worldview.
And that's why it's really important, as we discussed at the beginning of the show, that this Russian bishop is bringing back up blood libel ideas.
It's because that is this.
When Alex says that he just said literally there, that's the connection.
jordan holmes
And what's important to make clear on that is that it is not necessarily anti-Semitism in the way that, you know, it's not specifically targeted towards Jews.
What he's done is repurpose anti-Semitic bullshit from a hundred years ago and applied it to everyone who's not him.
dan friesen
Everyone who disagrees with him.
jordan holmes
Everyone who disagrees with him is a blood libeler.
dan friesen
Everyone who fights against, you know, social oppression.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Those sorts of things.
jordan holmes
Everyone who wants a more fair and equal society is...
Guilty of blood libel.
dan friesen
Right.
And lest we forget the Protocols of the Elders of Zion were written by Russian intelligence.
jordan holmes
That's the connection they have.
dan friesen
Right.
So all of that just, I mean, it's inexorable.
It's all super connected in terms of these philosophical ideas.
It's that, like, I keep describing it as a brain virus because it is.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
It gets in and it gives a false context to everything that you look at.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
And that's like what you were saying there, too.
The idea that he's just...
He just applies it for political gain is one piece of it.
But the brain virus does not just work in benign symptoms.
unidentified
No.
dan friesen
It also is hatred.
It absolutely is.
jordan holmes
Now, I think...
dan friesen
It's probably not hatred to, like, I hate all Jews, because he doesn't...
jordan holmes
You know what's interesting as a...
Like, this is a great paper 15 years from now.
We'll be good.
Yeah, no, of course.
unidentified
But...
jordan holmes
If you consider that antisemitism and the way that it has spread throughout Europe and all of those places, that is really the fear of foreign people stealing money.
Essentially.
dan friesen
Yeah, because all those blood libel ideas and all that shit was generally rooted in usury.
The idea that Christians can't rent or give out money at interest.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
dan friesen
Can't lend money.
jordan holmes
So what is this?
All of this globalist bullshit, all of that bullshit is the same thing if you just take out Jew from it.
So your paper is, of course, the metastasation of...
Blood libel and bigotry through the use of the internet and the way that it's connected people.
One thing that people did not expect from the internet because everybody was like, oh, we're all going to be connected.
They didn't expect the same bigotry to follow along with it.
And it's the same bigotry of a small Russian village 150 years ago seeing...
You know, ten Jews come in and make money.
unidentified
Yep.
jordan holmes
Like, it's the same fear on a global scale, because now we're all connected to each other.
The racism is just bigger.
dan friesen
Yep.
jordan holmes
It's the same racism, though.
dan friesen
Yep.
jordan holmes
We're all Jews, is what I'm saying.
dan friesen
And it always looks like it's going away, and then it doesn't.
jordan holmes
No.
No, it's a brain virus.
dan friesen
So, Alex...
jordan holmes
And the only way to stop a virus is, of course, to develop a vaccine or kill all of the conservatives.
Politically.
dan friesen
I don't think Alex is going to be thrilled with the idea of a vaccine.
jordan holmes
Politically.
dan friesen
I'm guessing he's not into the vaccine idea.
jordan holmes
What type of vaccine do you think would solve this brain virus?
dan friesen
Clean vaccine!
jordan holmes
Okay.
Let's get a clean vaccine.
dan friesen
I want to go to the next call.
jordan holmes
I'm going to go with an ass jab.
dan friesen
I want to go to the next call, but I can't.
jordan holmes
Not even a needle.
dan friesen
I can't go to the next call.
jordan holmes
Do you want to go to the next call?
dan friesen
I do.
I want to go to the next clip, because there is not a next call for a bit.
jordan holmes
Okay, let's go to the next clip.
dan friesen
Alex presented this like, I'm going to take a bunch of calls, and if you disagree with me, now's your chance.
Come at me, bitch.
That sort of shit.
And instead he just rambles about how, I've looked into Putin, he's great.
Which is not real.
Not accurate.
And then...
This, which I think he's revealing a little bit about being a bad parent at the beginning of this, and then he rambles for a bit.
alex jones
I took one of my daughters to have her tooth removed this morning because it had never come out, and the tooth was coming in above it, going into the other tooth.
So I took her own.
I never met the dentist.
They've been there four or five times the last few years.
dan friesen
I would argue that that's a sign that you're being a little negligent.
If they've been going to the same dentist for a few years?
jordan holmes
He's said four or five times in the past few years.
dan friesen
It's a consistent dentist that you're going to.
jordan holmes
Yeah, but four or five times in the past few years.
dan friesen
You know how fucking super protective Alex is?
jordan holmes
He's a dad.
He's got work.
I don't know.
I don't think my dad has ever met a dentist that I went to.
unidentified
All right.
jordan holmes
Maybe you want to argue that's negligent parenting.
unidentified
I would.
jordan holmes
That's a conversation we can have.
dan friesen
All right.
I'll look.
I'll give this one a pass for now, but it strikes me as a little bit, like, my parents met my dentist.
They wouldn't let me go to a dentist, probably, if they didn't have met.
jordan holmes
Especially when I was under, like, 13. My parents didn't let me date a dentist until I ran away at 18. Alright.
dan friesen
That's very Christian of them.
alex jones
But I never met the dentist.
The dentist came out and shook my hand, was a listener.
They had the anesthesiologist.
It's under regulations and laws now.
Even if somebody gets put on laughing gas, they have an anesthesiologist there to do it because of all the lawsuits and stuff.
He was a listener, got a photo with me, and it was just very humbling that professionals all over are listening to the show.
dan friesen
Or they're being polite.
alex jones
Because I'll be honest, sometimes I think the show's good, but half the time I'm sick of hearing my voice.
That's why I have a lot of guests on and other talk show hosts and stuff, because I want to build something that's more diverse.
But we're winning.
Everywhere I go, we run into people that are big fans of the show and tell me about what was on the show just yesterday.
So there are a minority of people, mainly white yuppies who are entitled, who will lash out at myself or you or others.
for promoting freedom, but they are the dwindling minority.
So there is a lot of hope.
And as long as the economy is growing, and we have optimism, and we know what a fraud this Russia investigation is, we know it's not going anywhere.
But the question is, then what are they going to do as they get more and more angry and more and more violent?
Hashtag hunt Republicans.
Hashtag Black Lives Matter.
Hashtag kill the cops.
Hashtag go out and beat people up just because you politically disagree with them.
I mean, what's going to happen with these people?
That's a big question.
Okay, I'm going to go to your calls now.
dan friesen
Hashtag kill the cops and hashtag Black Lives Matter being compared as sort of equivalent.
jordan holmes
Can't think of any reason why those were right next to each other.
dan friesen
Yeah, so that's one piece of this.
jordan holmes
I think the other piece of this is that if I found out my dentist listened to InfoWars, I would run.
dan friesen
But he doesn't.
jordan holmes
Run!
dan friesen
He doesn't.
jordan holmes
An Infowars dentist?
Alex's dad isn't even an Infowarrier.
dan friesen
No, his dad is making a lot of money.
unidentified
He works for the CIA.
dan friesen
Nah, he can't anymore.
He's retired.
But he didn't work for the CIA.
He had one patient who was a CIA agent.
jordan holmes
Not important.
He's a CIA dentist.
dan friesen
Such bullshit.
jordan holmes
He did all the CIA's dentistry.
dan friesen
One time my dad had a guy who was in the service and he came in and he got his tooth worked on and he said some weird stuff under the gas.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
That's the extent of the story, I'm sure.
Be that as it may.
jordan holmes
Do they really...
They have to really have started to buy their own bullshit that there's nothing in the Russia investigation, right?
No, everybody.
All of the right-wing people.
They have to have...
Either that or it's another stalling tactic.
dan friesen
That's probably what it is.
jordan holmes
You know, like, that's the only reason...
Like, once the tax bill is passed, they kind of get it now.
Like, they got what they want.
The rich are going to abandon Trump.
Like, that's going to happen.
dan friesen
I think there's a lot more work left to do beyond the taxes.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
We're going to get to that at the end of the episode.
unidentified
He's too unstable.
dan friesen
Why don't you hold on to that for a second?
Well, the instability actually works in service of getting these things passed.
jordan holmes
Yeah, no, but that's what...
I mean, up to a point...
dan friesen
There's a lot more to strip mine from this country before the ritual.
jordan holmes
You can sleep on a giant pile of money if it's not irradiated.
dan friesen
Get to that.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Maybe.
I don't know.
jordan holmes
It probably will.
dan friesen
Anyway, finally, quite a bit down the road, we get to a second caller.
Okay.
And do you want to make a prediction of whether this guy is going to be critical or uncritical?
jordan holmes
I'm going to go with mildly critical.
dan friesen
Interesting theory.
Let's find out.
alex jones
Terrence in Washington.
You're on the air.
unidentified
Go ahead.
alex jones
Thanks for calling.
unidentified
Hi, Alex.
How are you doing?
alex jones
Good, brother.
unidentified
Hey, me and my girlfriend Sabrina have been listeners for a long time.
I've been listening a lot longer.
Now, this is just what I like to say to you, Alex, is that human, human to human, you know about communication contact.
dan friesen
Now, do you think that this is a critical call or not a critical call?
jordan holmes
I'm going to go with not a critical call.
unidentified
You've taught me.
Now, this is what I've got to say.
You were a lot more passionate about what you were speaking about.
When you were trying to save the world, besides the politicalness, defending Trump.
Now, are you seeing something in your tarot cards that says you need to put all your chips down on Trump or we're doomed to dead?
Or do you see any of the fact that keeping Trump right now is leading this race war and a possible civil war?
Would you give up Trump?
To keep the Civil War from happening.
jordan holmes
Terrence with a great question!
That's a great question!
dan friesen
We'll see how Alex answers this.
I'm going to go with not well.
Rambly.
jordan holmes
I'm going to go with not well.
dan friesen
So the question at its core is...
I mean, the subtext of it is...
I mean, one of the underlying assumptions is...
There will be a civil war if Trump continues to do what he's doing, which is a little bit of a weird pretext.
But he's saying, would you stop supporting Trump if you knew that continuing to support him would lead to the deaths of, let's say, millions of Americans?
Right.
jordan holmes
Now, I'm guessing his defense towards that will be, I know it's not.
dan friesen
Beyond that, your prediction will stand as it stands, and we'll see.
Beyond that, there's an important piece that Terrence is bringing up at the beginning there, and that is you used to be much more passionate.
That sort of thing.
You used to have a fire in you.
jordan holmes
Now there's a certain resignation.
dan friesen
Or you just keep beating the same fucking drum.
It's boring.
alex jones
Turn your radio down, but it's a really good question.
It's more complex than that.
It's not that I'm perfect or Trump's perfect.
It's that he really is challenging the globalists.
He's destroying their takeover plan of the U.S. and the world.
And they're trying to destroy him.
And they're trying to destroy me in the process and my family.
And so I'm committed and doubled down on an issue of loyalty through this because you know someone by their enemies.
jordan holmes
So is that a no?
alex jones
And yeah, you say to all the tarot cards show...
That Trump's the guy.
It's beyond that.
It's the fight.
I mean, you see how the globalists hate Trump and hate the liberty movement and how nationalism is spreading all over the world.
I mean, I'm supporting nationalism in Brazil and nationalism in England and nationalism in areas of Africa.
dan friesen
So, like, let's look at beyond the Brazil.
jordan holmes
I'm supporting the strip mining of the world.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
Especially Brazil.
Man.
dan friesen
That one's difficult.
jordan holmes
That one's tough.
dan friesen
But look at the world leaders that Alex Jones has been firmly in support of.
UKIP.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
Not good.
Marine Le Pen.
Not good.
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
Geert Wilders.
Not good.
Nigel Farage.
We're back to UKIP.
And then Putin.
jordan holmes
And hey.
I think he just threw Tamer in there as well.
dan friesen
Absolutely.
jordan holmes
Which is, a leader with a 5% approval rating is not good.
dan friesen
Not great.
jordan holmes
Not great.
Oh, also a leader who has literally been on tape committing crimes, who was not impeached for them.
He was on tape getting bribes.
dan friesen
Let's be fair to Alex, though.
It's unclear if he's supporting Tamer or someone else.
Could be any Brazilian.
It might be Pele.
I don't know.
I don't know who he's supporting in Brazil.
He hasn't talked about that too much, but he has referenced, I guess there's a nationalist movement.
jordan holmes
I'm going to go with the white nationalists who took over the government.
dan friesen
Or the Sweetlanders in South Africa that he's had on the show.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Thrilled.
All of these people seem to have one connection, and it's not fighting the globalists.
jordan holmes
I don't think so.
dan friesen
No, it seems to be they're scared white people.
jordan holmes
Could have something to do with it.
dan friesen
Not sure about in Brazil, but the rest of them.
jordan holmes
No, it's absolutely in Brazil.
dan friesen
Okay.
jordan holmes
Brazil had one of the most diverse governments until they illegally ramshackled the previous leader, Dilma, and installed an all-white government.
dan friesen
Ah, I see.
jordan holmes
All-white!
dan friesen
So white!
Trend continues.
jordan holmes
The whitest!
dan friesen
Anyway, we still are not sure how he's answering this question.
alex jones
And Asia?
Does it mean that UKIP's a perfect party?
Does it mean that...
You know, the parties in Eastern Europe that are breaking away from the EU, that they're perfect?
No.
But they understand they're under foreign, globalist domination.
And the globalists are the big, worldwide, organized tyranny.
They're the operatives.
dan friesen
He always sounds like he's trying to chew on something.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
It's very weird.
It's like whenever the camera goes away from him, it sounds like he's just taking a bite of a sandwich.
Anyway.
alex jones
They're the ones that are the biggest threat.
And so I admire Trump for having the courage to fight him and getting a foothold and starting to beat them.
And that the fight is so close that I'm putting all my energy in to not hedging my bets.
I mean, I could get up here and only halfway support Trump and not be such a big target.
But I want to be a big target, just like he is.
I want to give my full effort and commitment and not half measures in this historical time we're in.
I want to be counted.
I want my John Hancock on the Declaration of Independence.
Do you think all the people on that Declaration of Independence liked each other or agreed with each other?
Or they were all perfect?
No.
But they were up against an empire that had never been defeated.
And they were sick of being ruled by an outside power.
Here we go!
And they put it all on the line, and they were successful, and they were victorious.
And so I smell victory.
I smelled it three years ago.
You've seen it happen.
Now you see the economy coming back.
Now you see all the changes.
unidentified
He's getting played on so he doesn't have to answer the fucking question.
alex jones
We were already conquered.
They're threatening civil workers.
They want control again.
They're the outside power.
We kick the globalists out.
Then we can debate things politically and not be so committed one way or the other.
But right now, this is life and death for this country.
Stay there, Terrence.
I'm going to come back and get your response to that.
unidentified
Then John, Jennifer, Chad.
jordan holmes
Alex, my response is, the fuck did you just say?
dan friesen
Yeah.
I'm certain Buckley came over to him and like, dude, first of all, that was nothing.
jordan holmes
That was bananas.
dan friesen
That was three minutes of nothing.
jordan holmes
Bananas.
dan friesen
You did not give an answer at all.
unidentified
Nope.
dan friesen
And you didn't address the important piece of that fan who had a critique of you, which was who used to be much more passionate.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
You used to be, before it was all this Trump stuff, you're losing some of your edge.
unidentified
You used to be cool, man.
jordan holmes
You used to be cool.
dan friesen
And so Alex comes back from commercial, and we're going to see some false passion.
jordan holmes
All right.
dan friesen
We're going to see some fake crying.
unidentified
Ooh!
dan friesen
Yeah, it's pretty good.
alex jones
People think being a man is having a bunch of symbols of wealth or acting physically tougher on other men.
jordan holmes
Is that what people think?
dan friesen
I don't know.
I don't.
But that's, I just wanted to be clear, this is right after the commercial break.
alex jones
That's not what a man does.
A man does what's right and doesn't back down in the face of it.
dan friesen
Holding back tears.
alex jones
Has commitments.
That's what this is about.
That's why people out there always claim that I'm a fraud or I'm a phony because it's the opposite.
I'm the opposite of a fraud or phony.
I'm willing to do anything to take on these people because I know what they are, a bunch of goddamn devil-worshiping pedophiles.
dan friesen
Great.
alex jones
And I won't apologize for saying that.
Because it's not the Lord's name in vain.
I hope God damns these people to hell for eternity!
jordan holmes
Actually, I think that's the definition of the Lord's name in vain.
alex jones
I'm going to give my full energy and everything I've got, as imperfect as it is, to taking these people on, and I'm going to pour out everything I've got against them.
jordan holmes
You sound tired.
alex jones
Because I don't want to be around them or with them and their spirit.
Because my very heart...
And my guts tells me they're pure death.
They're a bunch of cowardly, backstabbing scum.
And I'm so proud they hate me.
Let me tell you, it's always scum that gets in my face.
It's always, you can always tell, oh, look at that table of scum.
They're going to come over here and say something.
Because they're always a bunch of confused, ninnying, rudderless crap.
They think if they attack somebody that mainstream media hates, somehow they might be somebody by pointing their finger at me and saying, there's the bad guy.
So there's my answer to you, Terrence.
They can put a gun to my head and say, if you don't come out and say you hate Trump, we're going to blow your brains out, I'd say pull the trigger.
jordan holmes
Not the question.
alex jones
I've already basically had the Democratic Party and the whole structure try to take my children away from me.
dan friesen
No, that wasn't them.
That was your ex-wife.
jordan holmes
You know what?
I think we should.
I'm on board with that now.
dan friesen
I don't know.
I don't want to get mixed up in that, but I will be very clear that was your ex-wife.
That was not the globalists or the Democrats.
So, that was fake as shit.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that was not good.
dan friesen
If you watch the video, it's super hilarious, just the choking back tears.
jordan holmes
People say, I'm a fraud!
And they say that because I'm fake crying right now!
Because I'm lying about being sad and doing all of those things!
dan friesen
Ah, man, people say I'm fake because I fake crying about things that are very innocuous.
jordan holmes
Yeah, okay, so, Terrence, one more time, what was your question?
dan friesen
Yeah.
He's not done faking passion.
jordan holmes
How is he not done?
He's on 12 minutes of nothing.
dan friesen
He fakes some passion, some more, and then the end of this call is really funny.
unidentified
Okay.
dan friesen
Because it's where I heard the sound effect that I...
Not sound effect.
jordan holmes
The sound effect?
dan friesen
The sound that I...
jordan holmes
There's like a slide whistle?
dan friesen
I believe the sound of Alex taking some booze to the head.
unidentified
Okay.
dan friesen
And then when he...
I'll pause when it happens, because how he comes back after taking the shot is what makes me think he was taking a shot.
alex jones
See, you have to understand, they're always saying we're Russian collaborators because they're the globalists.
They're the ones killing the nation state.
They're the ones bashing having American flags.
It's their 9th Circuit saying you can't have an American flag in school.
Not Donald Trump.
They're the ones telling you hate America.
They're the ones telling you the country's bad.
They're the ones telling you piss on your ancestors.
Have no respect.
They're the enemy!
dan friesen
So, real quick.
jordan holmes
Did he just pop open a bottle right there?
dan friesen
I think he hit the table.
jordan holmes
That sounded like a boom.
dan friesen
It might have been cork.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that sounds like a cork.
dan friesen
No, because we know that Alex doesn't like champagne.
jordan holmes
No, when you've got a whiskey bottle.
That's the sound of a good whiskey bottle popping off.
dan friesen
Too high-class whiskey for me.
The Ninth Circuit Court did not say that you can't have American flags in school.
jordan holmes
I think we might have talked about that before.
dan friesen
This is a years-old lie for him.
jordan holmes
Might have talked about that one before.
dan friesen
So, anyway.
alex jones
They're the cancer!
They're the problem!
They're what they say we are!
jordan holmes
Classic.
alex jones
Does that answer your question, Terrence?
unidentified
Yeah, I would say you did, and you know what?
Thank you for the heart and your voice again.
I need to hear that.
I'm a strong man like you.
I'm a 27-year-old male with a daughter who I do...
dan friesen
It was right there.
jordan holmes
You're only 27?
I heard the...
dan friesen
Yeah, it was right there.
If you listen very carefully, you can hear something that sounds exactly like someone drinking a highball.
jordan holmes
That dude sounds like he's 75. That's Larry Nichols pretending to be a 27-year-old.
unidentified
Now, Alex, I'm 27. You used to have more passion.
jordan holmes
Could you go ahead and give me some of that passion?
dan friesen
But in that, did I answer your question?
I think you did.
I heard that passion again because he was faking it again.
It's like a fucking dueling piano bar getting a request.
But so he takes that drink, and like I said, right before this, what the caller had said is, I'm a 27-year-old man, and I have a daughter.
Now listen to Alex's rejoinder, which I'm certain indicates he was not paying attention.
jordan holmes
Kill your children!
unidentified
I do think to myself, now Alex Jones, these globalists can kill you.
Who cares about me?
Who cares about you but my daughter?
They threatened to kill my daughter.
How do you respond to that?
alex jones
You had globalists threaten to kill your daughter?
unidentified
No, but I can only imagine.
jordan holmes
I heard, all right, globalist kill and daughter.
That's all I heard.
I'm just going to put that together in a Mad Libs.
dan friesen
It's so fucking obvious that he thought, oh, I might have a source here.
jordan holmes
I know.
He was just, he got so, the light came on in his eyes, just, you, the globalist starting to kill your daughter?
Are you saying they're actually real?
dan friesen
He's not paying attention because he was drinking a shot of whiskey or something.
Like, he's just like, fuck it.
I don't know.
jordan holmes
I can't deal with these fucking people anymore.
dan friesen
So he's like, wait, did the globalists threaten to kill your daughter?
Which, why the fuck would they?
jordan holmes
I don't know.
dan friesen
Weirdo Terrence from wherever.
jordan holmes
Terrence has got connects.
dan friesen
And so this is what they...
He says, no, but if they did...
And so Alex gets back.
alex jones
I'll tell you why they won't threaten your daughter.
If you have it in your heart to kill anybody that threatens your daughter, then the woman won't do it.
So, you understand?
You gotta be willing to kill for your family so people don't mess with you.
But you gotta have that and they gotta know it.
dan friesen
What the fuck?
unidentified
That is great advice.
dan friesen
If you don't want people to threaten to kill your daughter, you have to let them know that you will kill them if they threaten to kill your daughter.
unidentified
Listen.
jordan holmes
I don't know how you would interact with them.
Prior to them threatening to kill your daughter.
But just send out a blanket statement.
Just a press release all across the board.
Anybody fucks with my daughter, I'll kill them.
Frankly, here's what you need to do.
Go to the beach.
Get a seashell.
Scream, if you attack my daughter, I'll kill you.
They'll get it.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
They'll get the message.
dan friesen
I don't fucking understand how Alex Jones can be...
Like, these moments.
These moments that are like...
They're literally nothing, but they're the moments that I live for in terms of breaking these episodes down.
The moments where, when he said, globalists threaten to murder your daughter, there is a piece of his brain that thought for a second either.
One of two things.
One, this caller somehow is important enough that these shadowy globalists would threaten to murder his daughter, and he wouldn't lead with that.
Or, he's like...
Maybe I can convince my audience to think that's real, and maybe he'll play along with it.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
One of those two things had to be what's going through his head.
jordan holmes
Maybe this guy's the right kind of crazy for me, and we can do a little improv game, a little two-man, and then we'll get crazy.
dan friesen
Or Block Rock and Beats is already playing.
Maybe he'll answer vaguely.
We can go out to commercial, and then I can pretend that he got cut off.
Sorry, Terrence got cut off.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah.
Or whatever.
dan friesen
He could play that and be like, and then the next day on the show, he could be like, hey, the FBI heard that Terrence called in and had taken him in for questioning, and now he's had to flee the country.
jordan holmes
I got a week's worth of shit to make out of this.
dan friesen
Oh, God.
There's just...
Trying to assume his opportunistic mindset is really one of the only thrills I have left.
unidentified
In those moments where the globalist kills your daughter.
jordan holmes
Now let's talk about blood libel.
dan friesen
I mean, that's boring to me at this point.
It's just so clear.
It's just so clear.
Anyway, Alex has taken two calls.
jordan holmes
Yeah, in the past six and a half hours?
Are we still in his 37-hour special?
dan friesen
Might as well be.
jordan holmes
Has he continued to broadcast live this whole time?
dan friesen
So that last call took the better part of 15 minutes.
Yeah.
Because Alex kept screaming and faking passion and all that stuff.
So then he comes back from that commercial break, and here's what he has to say.
alex jones
Well, I love taking calls, but they're also exhausting because they challenge me and they take me to places I wasn't thinking about.
I got a ton of important clips.
Big breaking news this hour.
A bunch of stuff I've got to get to, but I am trying to go to your calls as quickly as I can.
dan friesen
Oh, sorry you're exhausted from, I don't know.
unidentified
Two calls?
jordan holmes
Two calls!
dan friesen
I don't know what is exhausting you about it.
Maybe it's your heck-kneed performance.
jordan holmes
I think he just hates talking to those people.
dan friesen
I would.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I think he just hates it.
Because he knows he's trapped in a corner of having to either...
Get all of his energy up to fight back against it and make up some bullshit.
Or he has to pretend to be interested in whatever they're saying because they're a fan.
He can't just be like, oh, come on in, Terrence.
You had a great question.
You know, I don't really like people like you.
dan friesen
Well, the first call that he had was a guy who brought up a couple of salient points about his past and how it indicates that he is willing to lie on certain occasions, has changed his position on Putin pretty much 180 degrees, and he refuses to release his financial information.
Those three things are salient points, and Alex can't really respond to any of them without opening himself up to a pretty serious attack.
And so, gotta dance.
That would be exhausting.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Trying to figure that out on the fly.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Second caller is, would you give up Trump to save people's lives?
jordan holmes
And the answer to that is...
dan friesen
Well, you can't really answer that directly, because if you say, yes, I would, then you don't get to play the, I would die for Trump, he is what's going to save us from the globalists game.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
And if you say no, then you are complicit in whatever is going on.
The escalation of tension.
I would go down with the ship.
jordan holmes
Something like that.
Like, I know why he can't answer that question.
I want to know why that question is unanswerable.
dan friesen
Well, because there's a part of his brain, and there's a part of, I mean, I don't know, maybe it's part of the deep recesses of his audience's brain, that still remembers that when Trump first started running, Alex said, I don't trust him, he's a con man involved with consortiums on the East Coast.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Like, there is a part of him that knows this is going to break bad.
This isn't going to end well.
Eventually, all of these things, these financial misdealings, I mean, the ones that aren't already fucking public, the more serious ones that Trump has been involved with, eventually it will come to light.
And Alex is going to have to stand to bear for the fact that he pretended that all that stuff wasn't true.
Right.
unidentified
And he did talk to Roger Stone and Trump all the time.
dan friesen
Right.
unidentified
They're good friends.
dan friesen
And so he's eventually going to have to face the music for that.
And I think that by...
jordan holmes
Do you think he's preparing?
dan friesen
Not in any way that he's not always preparing.
You know what I mean?
jordan holmes
He knows how to hide his guns.
He's a prepper.
That's for sure.
Like, I mean...
dan friesen
Storable food?
jordan holmes
If I were one of those guys and I caught the Flynn news, like Manafort, like they're trying to keep Manafort from, like he...
They're trying to deny his bail.
Right.
Because he's a flight risk.
Yeah.
Because, of course, he's a flight risk.
dan friesen
There's one country he's not going to.
jordan holmes
I know that much.
The United States.
dan friesen
Two countries.
jordan holmes
So it's like there should be...
You should be able to see the writing on the wall if you're one of those fuckfaces.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
That's that closely aligned.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
And so you should have a bug-out bag at least, right?
These guys have to know what's going on.
They have to know that eventually it's going to come down on them.
Although, frankly, fuck it.
At this point, nothing is real.
dan friesen
Yeah, it might not.
jordan holmes
Who knows?
dan friesen
I think that Alex probably realizes on some part of his brain that if all of it works out, he's in an even worse position.
Because then, I mean, if net neutrality goes through, he's going to lose most of his audience.
Because most people, without being cruel...
most of his audience can barely afford the internet.
Yeah.
unidentified
And a lot of them, and here's a part that I'm not judging them for at all.
dan friesen
A lot of them live in crazy rural areas that don't have good service with the internet.
Right.
unidentified
And a lot of those places are going to have no coverage.
jordan holmes
Well, that rule is already gone.
dan friesen
Right, right.
jordan holmes
That rule...
dan friesen
But he's in support of that stuff.
jordan holmes
Yeah, well, of course.
dan friesen
But it's going to be even worse.
Like, all of that is going to just pile on and pile on.
He's going to see his profits dwindle to almost nothing unless...
You know, there is a despotic situation that ends up coming up and he is the official...
jordan holmes
He becomes a duke.
dan friesen
Yeah, exactly.
But, I mean, that prospect is really dark for him, I think.
And he doesn't realize it.
He doesn't realize how much the positions he's advocating for are going to fuck him in the end.
jordan holmes
It does seem weird.
He should have been briefed on how net neutrality is going to fuck him.
dan friesen
He doesn't read articles.
jordan holmes
No, I know, but he should have somebody who does.
dan friesen
He's like Trump.
He doesn't take briefings.
jordan holmes
Shouldn't he have somebody who does?
Because everybody should have been united.
For net neutrality, except for the telecoms.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
Like, it should have been 100% of us.
dan friesen
Well, that kind of speaks to the possibility that Alex Jones is getting big, dark money.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
In which case, he could pay for the fees.
dan friesen
Or the people...
jordan holmes
Because anybody who thinks that Comcast or AT&T were telling the truth when they said they were committed to net neutrality...
unidentified
Bullshit.
jordan holmes
That's insane.
You are naive.
dan friesen
But also the people who would be dictating the positions he takes, or, you know...
Subtly influencing the positions he takes would be the ones who are interested in that.
So for him to say that it's not net neutrality, it's all just a UN takeover of the media.
unidentified
Yeah, but they're going to bail on him when they can.
dan friesen
Totally.
unidentified
I would.
jordan holmes
These people are so fucking stupid.
dan friesen
I'm looking for a way out of this podcast.
Let's bail on him.
jordan holmes
I'll be honest with you.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Anyway, so we...
jordan holmes
Everybody's stupid.
unidentified
They're all stupid.
dan friesen
There's a lot of rambling.
jordan holmes
So fucking stupid.
dan friesen
There's a lot of rambling that goes on.
And it's probably like another six minutes or so until we get to the next call.
And do you think this one's going to be critical or supportive?
jordan holmes
So far we've had two relatively critical in a row.
dan friesen
Nah, the second critical one was supportive, but just an accidentally tougher question than the guy thought he was asking.
jordan holmes
Yeah, okay.
So let's go with...
dan friesen
Let's see.
alex jones
Patrick in Idaho, thanks for holding her on the air.
unidentified
You there?
alex jones
Yes, I am.
unidentified
Good.
So, stemming off of yesterday's conversation, I'm Irish, English, German, French, Basque, Indian, whatever.
jordan holmes
Okay.
unidentified
I'm just an American.
jordan holmes
You're drunk.
alex jones
Okay, and I hear you disagree with me on Russia Connection?
unidentified
No, I don't.
I think, if I can spin a little bit, I think you're a Polish agent.
alex jones
Okay, and how do you know I'm a Polish agent?
unidentified
We're friends.
Slovik, Pacinic, Big Lebowski, all Polish scum.
alex jones
Well, you know, I actually, there are a lot of people with Polish background that send me a fight in the New World Order, it's true.
And I've got friends that are Polish.
But also, I think Pacinic, from Russia, I mean, a lot of those are just Slavic names.
But, you know, people tell Pacinic that he must be a Russian agent because he's Polish.
dan friesen
There's other reasons.
alex jones
Anybody that knows the history knows the Poles don't like the Russians too much.
There's just a lot of ignorance.
Just because somebody has a Slavic last name doesn't mean they're Russian.
unidentified
I'm just having fun with you.
alex jones
No, no, Patrick, I hear you.
It sounds like you've had a lot of fun today.
Are you smoking dope or are you drinking alcohol today?
unidentified
Neither.
alex jones
Okay, well, we've got to catch up with me.
dan friesen
I had to pause it there because you cannot talk over this.
You cannot even laugh over this.
alex jones
Okay, well, you've got to catch up with me.
I'm joking.
I've got to go.
Man, you're something else.
I've got to go.
That color sound so ridiculous.
dan friesen
From everything I know about Alex Jones, that's him being like, I'm drunk.
jordan holmes
You've got a ways to go to catch up with me.
dan friesen
Whenever Alex immediately says, I'm joking, that means he's not joking.
Whenever he talks about any number of things that we've gone over, that's his cop-out for oops.
jordan holmes
I imagine Alex probably takes a lot of pain pills, too.
dan friesen
It's possible.
I think he's a pill popper, right?
We've had some insinuations or suggestions from the chat room that he's on amphetamines.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
And that's possible, but I think that also could just be the brain force, because he has said that in one of his commercials for his new product, the red pill, he says that there's no stimulants in it, but there are in brain force.
unidentified
Gotcha.
dan friesen
But there are classical stimulants.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And so maybe.
I mean, I don't know.
jordan holmes
Like cocaine.
dan friesen
He's on fucking something.
I don't know.
I think he'd be a lot more, like, not as tired.
jordan holmes
I think I like Peter as a listener.
Peter just seems like he's high.
dan friesen
Yeah, he's gotta be.
jordan holmes
And he called, and he's like, eh, this'll be fun.
dan friesen
He's either high or he's an idiot.
Like, that's a bad prank call.
You know what I mean?
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
If you're just fucking around, you can do better than that.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
If you're drunk, maybe not.
Anyway, Alex has a critique of the calls at this point.
And it's nothing.
Not most insightful.
jordan holmes
Okay.
alex jones
The callers are, some of them have been great, some of them have been okay, some of them have been funny and goofy, like the last guy.
dan friesen
He's taken three calls.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Well, he's covered his bases then.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Comedy comes in threes.
alex jones
But what they are is long.
Just get to your point.
I'm going to try to make a quick point and move on.
They have asked some epic questions, so some of my answers have taken, you know, 20 minutes.
So it's mainly my fault.
I apologize.
We're going to your calls.
dan friesen
At least he cops to, it's my fault.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I was going to say, they're long.
Get to your point, ask your question, like literally every single one of you did, except for Peter, who was high.
And that was alright.
dan friesen
Alex, the calls would be really short if you didn't scream performatively for half an hour.
jordan holmes
Hey, if Trump was bad, would you give up Trump?
unidentified
Because he's just one part of the fight against the globalists?
jordan holmes
Yep.
All right, next caller.
dan friesen
Moving on.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Asked an answer.
jordan holmes
Super quick call.
dan friesen
So in his next clip, he's taken a call, and it's very supportive of Trump.
And it's long and boring, so we don't need to go through it.
But towards the end of it, the guy is talking about how he's a Christian and how Christianity matters to him.
And then Alex says this.
jordan holmes
Fuck Christians.
alex jones
Let me throw this in.
The Bible's replete.
God judges the heart.
Not the deeds.
King David got his best friend killed just so he could have sex with his wife.
But after he truly repented, God said, you're a man from my own heart.
Christ said, look at these Pharisees praying up on top of the hill, but behind closed doors they're super evil.
Christ was looking for real people that were good and honorable and strong.
Not that they were perfect.
God made us.
God knows us.
And you're absolutely right.
Look at the Bible.
Saul of Tarsus.
Becomes Paul on the road to Damascus.
He was a horrible person.
And Trump's not been a horrible person.
He's a for-real guy.
He's out in the open.
He's not perfect.
But he really isn't out to get people.
He doesn't want austerity.
He doesn't want to enslave people.
dan friesen
So what are the defining characteristics of King David and Saul who becomes Paul that doesn't relate to Trump?
jordan holmes
Both from Tarsus.
dan friesen
That's it.
They changed.
jordan holmes
Don't get it.
dan friesen
The point of those stories is recognizing the error of your ways and having a transformative moment.
jordan holmes
Try one more time.
Speak English.
What are you saying?
dan friesen
On the road to Damascus.
jordan holmes
I can't understand you, Dan.
dan friesen
Are you speaking French?
Right.
Those dudes, very specifically, the point of the stories is that they were bad and they had a coming-to-Jesus moment that transformed them.
In every way.
It transformed everything about them.
They weren't the same people.
They didn't hang out with the same people.
They changed their mode of being.
Donald Trump has never admitted he's wrong about anything.
jordan holmes
If you've read Trump's story, you know that he changed.
dan friesen
From?
jordan holmes
The thing.
dan friesen
The thing.
jordan holmes
He changed from, I assume, larvae into Trump.
dan friesen
Okay.
jordan holmes
He blossomed like a butterfly into the sociopathic monster he has been since the age of nine.
dan friesen
I mean, that's an interesting theory that his road to Damascus moment was at age three, are you saying?
jordan holmes
Yeah, something around there.
Maybe...
dan friesen
It's just such nonsense.
jordan holmes
Maybe he will.
dan friesen
But you know what's fucked up?
unidentified
Wouldn't that be fun?
dan friesen
You know what's fucked up in that clip, even?
Is that he's saying, you know, like, David, Saul.
Trump wasn't even bad to begin with.
He's saying that he's better than King David.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Because he has less to change.
jordan holmes
Well, he's never killed his wife, or he's never killed his friend's wife, or he's never killed his friend to fuck his wife.
dan friesen
He did beat the shit out of his wife once.
jordan holmes
He did fuck other people's wives.
dan friesen
Apparently, yes, he did do that.
jordan holmes
He didn't have killed first.
Come on, that's mean.
dan friesen
May or may not have had sex with his daughter.
jordan holmes
Vince Foster died?
dan friesen
But that's in the Bible, too.
jordan holmes
That's true.
That is in the Bible.
dan friesen
Yeah, but then the daughter was at fault.
jordan holmes
King David killed his daughter to have sex with her.
dan friesen
So at this point, Alex is like, all right, we had a great call.
Maybe we can do this call thing.
Maybe it's going to work out.
So he decides to take another call.
jordan holmes
Let's try one more.
Let's roll those cracks.
alex jones
Let's try one more time to go back to Tennessee.
Can you hear me?
Go ahead, sir.
unidentified
Hello, Alex.
alex jones
Yes, sir.
Go ahead.
unidentified
Oh, I guess Chad hung up.
I'm a different caller.
alex jones
Okay.
I'm not mad, but I don't know what's going on with the phone system, okay?
unidentified
Alex, Alex, I'm going to ask you something.
I'm having trouble.
I love your show, and I have trouble listening to it because your app doesn't work with iOS 11. I hear you, brother.
alex jones
There's a lot of stuff that doesn't work around here.
dan friesen
That's delightful.
That's so good.
jordan holmes
Alex!
Alex!
unidentified
I have some tech support questions for you.
jordan holmes
Alex, here's what I disagree with you on.
The new update for iOS.
dan friesen
All these questions should be directed to Rob Do.
alex jones
He's the nerd around here.
dan friesen
This leads to at least...
jordan holmes
So InfoWars listeners are the smartest people on the planet.
dan friesen
Absolutely.
This leads to at least seven minutes of him rambling about how, like, I have tried so hard to get that app fixed.
He claims it's a globalist plot.
jordan holmes
Of course.
dan friesen
Of course.
And that there are too many leftists in the tech world.
jordan holmes
Naturally.
dan friesen
It's just like, I try, you know, all of Humpty Dumpty's men couldn't put this thing back together.
Nonsense.
Nonsense.
jordan holmes
Get a coder.
dan friesen
I paid someone $600 to make that app a...
Years ago.
I was like, oh boy, you're weird.
You're getting weird.
And he was weird.
He was very weird.
But we only have a couple more clips left because he decides at that point, done with calls.
I have too much news to get through.
jordan holmes
I think once you get a tech support call on air, time to be done with calls.
dan friesen
I have too many clips to get through.
Too much news.
jordan holmes
Too much news!
How can you survive without all this news?
dan friesen
A lot of his news time is taken up complaining about Muslims raping people in Sweden.
jordan holmes
Of course.
dan friesen
And that narrative is tired.
jordan holmes
It's an issue.
dan friesen
And a lot of the rest of it is him playing a David Horowitz clip, maybe?
Dershowitz.
Alan Dershowitz.
unidentified
Excuse me.
jordan holmes
David Horowitz is a very different guy.
dan friesen
But he has a Dershowitz clip.
jordan holmes
He's got a good old-fashioned Dershowitz clip?
dan friesen
Well, it's making the argument that Mueller has shown that he has nothing because of this indictment.
And it's the narrative that's being pitched that all he could get him on was this lying to the FBI.
jordan holmes
Of course.
dan friesen
And now if that is true, which I don't believe it is, I believe it's leverage, but again, I can't prove that.
That's just my suspicion.
If it is true...
jordan holmes
But it is true, and it is true.
dan friesen
But if Flynn being guilty to that could get him five years in prison, so...
jordan holmes
Not enough.
dan friesen
Not terrible, but at this point in his life, you don't want to do that.
Feet.
jordan holmes
Shins.
Knees.
Thighs.
dan friesen
Balls.
jordan holmes
Balls again.
dan friesen
It seems unlikely.
But the other thing that Dershowitz is bringing up in this clip is that because Flynn has been shown to be a liar, he's not going to be a good witness later for anything that he might be proffering and that sort of thing.
Yeah, probably true.
Maybe, but that's also super interesting to me because one of the other things that belies is almost the entirety of Alex Jones' narrative that Hillary and Obama fund ISIS is based on Michael Flynn appearing on foreign TV saying things to that effect.
So, if Alex Jones wants to play the game that Mike Flynn is not going to be a credible witness, you might have to re-examine some of the bedrocks of your...
jordan holmes
You know...
dan friesen
Anyway, it's not important.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
It's not important.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
He's not going to do that and no one cares.
jordan holmes
I have something to say about that, but it doesn't matter.
unidentified
All right.
dan friesen
Let's get to this next clip because this is one of the other news stories that he's got to get to.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
alex jones
I mean, it's just...
jordan holmes
Peter from Idaho, we're going to get back to you.
dan friesen
I have another tech support issue.
alex jones
And it's like the most racist crap I've ever heard.
And they're just spewing...
And I know it's meant to make me racist.
I know they want to just divide everybody now.
They want to get away from the Christian ethos.
jordan holmes
Of King David.
alex jones
They found an article where they're saying dogs are racist.
Well, it's true that if a dog is being raised by a black family and is around a lot of white folks, it might bark at you because it's not used to your color.
It's true.
But it's not a racist thing.
It's that it doesn't recognize you.
jordan holmes
Okay.
alex jones
So, anyways, the point is that this is getting crazy.
unidentified
Cool.
jordan holmes
The point is, what was I talking about?
Dogs.
Wait, no.
The point is not dogs.
dan friesen
This is getting crazy.
jordan holmes
The point is, shit's going wild.
dan friesen
So, like, okay, let's take just the first and most obvious piece of this.
jordan holmes
Who is hosting this shit?
Is it Nick Cannon?
Because this is wild now.
dan friesen
He's making, like, even in his brain, he can't go to, like, white people made a dog racist against black people.
He's got to say it's a black family with a racist dog towards white people.
But it's not racism.
They just aren't familiar with you.
So he flashes up on screen the article, so I know exactly what it was, and I was able to hunt it down.
And it is an article from January 3rd, 2013.
jordan holmes
Right on time.
Timely stuff.
dan friesen
Why are dogs racist?
Canine experts speak.
Again, from four years ago on Gawker.
That is no longer a website.
jordan holmes
Oh, man.
dan friesen
No longer an active website.
Dogs, why are they so racist?
You know, the type prancing along as merry as can be until a human of a certain skin tone walks by and then bang!
All of the barking and snarling and biting.
It's been a source of uncomfortable comedy for years.
Some dogs are just racist.
But why?
We turn to the real live dog psychology experts to find out.
Linda Michaels, dog psychologist, and Victoria Stillwell, dog trainer.
Here's their quote.
jordan holmes
Are they a lesbian couple?
Because that would make me so happy.
dan friesen
Oh, no.
I think Victoria Stillwell is like a dog training school or something like that.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
unidentified
Oh, okay.
dan friesen
Because it's one person with a credit.
jordan holmes
Oh, okay.
dan friesen
Although a dog may appear to be racist, that's not possible.
Racism requires complex thinking and other higher cognitive functions that canines simply don't possess.
jordan holmes
Her answer is...
It's a fucking dog!
dan friesen
Right.
A dog may react in fear-based aggression to a person of color for two reasons.
One, insufficient positive association and early socialization to people of all races.
Or two, a traumatic incident with a person of color that is now generalized to all people of color.
Sounds like Alex.
Sounds like Alex is a dog.
And that's pretty much the consensus on all these things.
jordan holmes
Her answer is, it's a fucking dog.
dan friesen
Shut up.
Susie Schaefer's quote, Colorado's own dog whisperer.
That's her title.
jordan holmes
All right.
dan friesen
Dogs are not racist!
Exclamation point.
jordan holmes
It's a fucking dog!
unidentified
Mm-hmm.
dan friesen
Uh-huh.
Anthony Newman, let's refine the question.
99% of people who say their dog is racist really mean their dog doesn't seem to like some dark-skinned people.
Very few cases of dogs tending to dislike light-skinned people are reported.
Uh-oh, Alex, your example that you just brought up is nonsense.
But again, he just goes on to say, dog's not racist.
So even the article that Alex is pointing out is a four-year-old article that makes the opposite point that he's pretending the media is making.
What a fucking idiot!
jordan holmes
Quick question.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
Can dogs commit blood libel?
dan friesen
Yeah.
Oh, yeah.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
I saw an article on Gawker about it.
jordan holmes
Okay.
unidentified
Good deal.
dan friesen
I'm sorry.
It was on Deadspin.
jordan holmes
Way to update that reference.
Still timely.
dan friesen
So on this next clip, we're going to go with the last one.
I kept this in because it's going to make you furious.
jordan holmes
Boy, howdy.
dan friesen
Let's end this on an angry note.
Please mic down until the end of the clip and then feel free to scream.
alex jones
Even on Fox, they go, Democrats think tax cuts are bad for the Republicans.
Republicans think they're good.
You can debate taxes.
You can debate deficits.
You can debate the future.
But tax cuts now to bring back $4 trillion in overseas money and to bring back trillions to middle class and poor taxpayers.
Is going to cause a giant boom in the economy, bigger than we've already seen.
Most analysts say a 10% growth rate.
7 to 10%, but 10's the middle.
Some estimates are 12% because they've had us suppressed so long.
Now, is that going to be good?
Just in a Machiavellian way, for the Republicans and for Trump, yeah, it's going to be good to have four to six years of boom.
Now, if we don't cut...
Or at least freeze spending.
It'll create a big deficit like what happened with Reagan.
They got the tax cuts.
They never got the cuts.
You've got to freeze the spending.
Then you cut taxes.
More money comes in, generally, because it spurs the economy.
Then you pay down the debt with that.
That's what's got to happen.
Bare minimum freeze the spending.
But will tax cuts help the country?
Does a bear go poo-poo in the woods?
dan friesen
So, there's a lot of stuff at play there.
I think one of the things at the end that's super telling is the idea that it's like these tax cuts and we have to get rid of all of these programs and stuff.
jordan holmes
Oh, do we?
Oh!
unidentified
Right.
jordan holmes
Are you saying that maybe the entire reason behind those tax cuts is one, to give more money to the rich people, and two, to get rid of all entitlement spending?
unidentified
Well...
jordan holmes
The tax cuts are about cutting Medicare, Social Security, Medicaid, and getting rid of Obamacare entirely.
That's what all the tax cuts are about.
Yep.
Doesn't fucking matter.
That's what they've been going for the entire time.
They're going to do it in the next two to three years.
That's the only way.
And the Democrats are going to fucking roll over on it because they're giant pussies.
They're fucking pussies.
It's pathetic.
Everything about this bullshit is going to destroy the economy for the next 10 years.
As if we didn't fucking need it destroyed already.
No.
unidentified
As if the rich didn't have...
jordan holmes
These people need to fucking...
Go away.
Every last fucking one of them.
If you are a fucking...
Fucking fuck this.
dan friesen
Fuck this.
jordan holmes
He is fucking lying.
Do you know what growth is going to come from that fucking tax cut?
Maybe 1%.
Maybe.
And that's going to last for the first six fucking months.
Because all the regular people are going to wind up getting is less than $1,000 back.
Less than $1,000 extra.
And that's only going to last for the first four fucking years.
If it does at all.
This is...
He's fucking insane!
He's just lying directly to his people.
He's lying directly to them.
He's not fucking dissembling.
He's not pretending.
He's not fucking...
He's lying straight out of his fucking teeth.
Because it doesn't matter how fucking stupid you are, if you don't look at exactly what happened to Reagan and exactly what happened to the first time we tried trickle-down economics, do you know what happened?
Everybody got fucked.
dan friesen
Yep.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
And that's why it's telling.
jordan holmes
I could have gone on for so much longer.
dan friesen
I know you could have.
jordan holmes
I wanted to start in the Reagan era and then go through how the Democrats have failed us throughout the entire situation.
Then I wanted to go into the George Bush era whenever he did his giant fucking tax cut and, oh, we need to fucking cut spending and let's go to fucking Iraq.
And then I want to go into Obama and how he fucking fucked us again, the same way the Democrats have always fucking done.
This is fucking...
If we don't have an FDR...
dan friesen
We get it.
unidentified
We get it.
jordan holmes
I'm sorry.
dan friesen
You're preaching to the choir of the wonks.
jordan holmes
I know.
I'm sorry.
I'm fucking furious about this.
unidentified
I know.
dan friesen
I know.
jordan holmes
I just want to find somebody, anybody, anybody to yell at right now.
dan friesen
Well, don't take it out on our audience.
unidentified
I'm sorry it's you.
jordan holmes
I'm sorry, Policy Wonks.
I love you very much.
This is my fault.
dan friesen
You're getting rave reviews for that rant in the chat room.
jordan holmes
I can't fucking...
It's...
How can you get...
How can you actually listen to this shit?
How can you do this?
dan friesen
It's tough.
I told you earlier, it's tough.
jordan holmes
How can all of it...
unidentified
No, I mean, you can't just listen to the news and they just lie.
jordan holmes
They're lying.
And the media doesn't fucking do anything.
They don't just go, that's not fucking true.
You're a liar.
Go away.
Like, that's all you need to do.
That's all that needs to be done.
They don't need any fucking...
dan friesen
Get out of here.
unidentified
Go!
dan friesen
Jones, get out of here.
jordan holmes
Just go.
You're in time out.
We're not going to allow Mitch McConnell on fucking TV anymore until you stop fucking lying.
Paul Ryan, I hope you get fucked in the ass by anybody.
Anybody with a very long thing.
Doesn't matter how fucking long it is.
Really long.
Really fucking long.
Get in there.
I want his intestines to be straight.
No more curls.
Miles and miles of just straight up fucking broom right through his goddamn body.
This is...
unidentified
I'm sorry.
dan friesen
Just doing a take to the camera there.
jordan holmes
I'm sorry.
There's no point.
I'm going to smoke a post-coital cigarette.
dan friesen
Yeah, these are just now becoming your aggressive fantasies.
You're Alex Jones-ing.
jordan holmes
I know!
I can't help myself!
dan friesen
You're Jones-ing.
jordan holmes
This is fucking insane!
They're just...
Lying directly to us!
And everybody's so fucking stupid.
dan friesen
What I think is magical, too, about the way that Alex presents it, I mean, I agree with most of what you're saying.
Just for my own safety's sake, I'm going to say some of that violent stuff.
jordan holmes
Just the Paul Ryan part?
Everything else is not true, but just the Paul Ryan part.
dan friesen
Sure, I'm for the tax cuts.
The Paul Ryan stuff, right on.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
No, the thing...
That I would like to speak to is the idea that what Alex is saying is these tax cuts are great.
But it's not going to do anything unless we also strip back all of these programs.
And one of the things that he's accidentally showing his cards on and he's giving away is that the tax cuts aren't going to do anything.
They're going to get rich people more money.
What is going to save money is taking away things from people because you are depriving them of things that already cost a ton of money.
All that money that the rich people are going to save and corporations are going to save is taken from you.
And it's not going in.
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
It's not going in anywhere.
At very least, what it's going to do is it's going to stay outside in protected tax shelters and shit like that.
jordan holmes
Do you know what generates...
dan friesen
It is entirely about stripping away those things.
jordan holmes
What generates money for the government is the middle class and the poor having more money.
dan friesen
Yep.
jordan holmes
Because then they spend that money.
The wealthy don't spend money.
They hoard money.
Or they spend it on bullshit.
dan friesen
They invest in speculation and stuff.
jordan holmes
And even then, it's not something that's real.
It's not something that actually goes towards building things.
How is it that everybody's still so fucking...
dan friesen
No one invests in a mom-and-pop shop in the stock market.
jordan holmes
I know!
I know!
It's so fucking simple, and it's historically...
It's not like the Republicans are like, hey guys, we've never tried this shit before.
I'm going to blow your minds.
dan friesen
The company that I used to work at right before I went on this, whatever this is, is a small business.
jordan holmes
This attempt to listen to a crazy man ramble?
dan friesen
Yeah, it's a small business.
jordan holmes
In two directions.
You're listening to one there and then one here.
I got you coming and going.
dan friesen
So this business was a small business.
Was run by an individual who was hands-on.
He ended up, when times got bad, he had to become a salesman and help out.
He was very actively involved, had an office in the building.
The people who started the company with him were still there.
In terms of actual in-office employees, there were like 15 or something like that.
It is a small business.
They were bringing in, you know, in the realms of a couple million a year or something along those lines.
It is not a publicly traded company.
Nope.
unidentified
I worry now that I've put their business on the streets, but I have not said who they are.
dan friesen
Who cares?
I apologize.
They didn't give you a raise.
jordan holmes
They can go fuck themselves.
unidentified
That's a good point.
dan friesen
Yeah.
unidentified
But investment, stock market stuff, the economy doing better only helps indirectly in very infinitesimal ways.
dan friesen
Right.
unidentified
It would never buoy them.
dan friesen
It would never...
All these businesses on the same level wouldn't be helped by that.
The middle class growing, the ability for them to give me a raise...
Wouldn't be helped by these tax cuts.
That sort of thing.
All it would do is incentivize them to not cover things for my benefits.
jordan holmes
And even if the guy who ran the company was...
Because one of the big things that they do is they lower what's called the pass-through rate.
So the pass-through rate goes from 35% to 20%, which is...
Because a lot of the companies that do that pass-through rate are investment banks, are those types of things, where they classify the investment bank's income as this dude's income, as opposed to an actual business.
You lower that to 20%.
Like I was saying, even if that guy is doing that, even if that guy is running the pass-through rate, he's not going to get a ton of money back.
unidentified
Nope.
jordan holmes
It's not going to be a huge amount for him.
dan friesen
Nope.
But some people, it will be.
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
And congratulations.
That's great that we live in a world where this has to be a reality.
And we have to live in a world where Sam Seder gets fired from MSNBC.
And we have to live in a world where now we know pretty much all of our national parks and stuff probably aren't coming.
unidentified
Nope.
dan friesen
They're going away.
We have to live in a world where Roy Moore is going to win.
jordan holmes
No, this can't.
This can't continue.
dan friesen
Oh, it's going to continue.
jordan holmes
No, I mean, not in just a this can't continue, like this is so bad we can't allow this to continue.
I mean, it's an unsustainable situation.
dan friesen
Oh, totally.
jordan holmes
Every time this has been done, there has been a crash.
There will be a crash because of this.
dan friesen
And the ensuing difficulty that will come after that is that difficult economic times.
I mean, the disparaging, the difference between the haves and have-nots now, let's say, is unsustainable to a very serious degree.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
And it causes societies to fall apart.
But when they fall apart and everybody has nothing, that's when fascism takes hold.
That is when you have to really be worried about these things, such as the blood libel narratives that Alex Jones promotes.
jordan holmes
Because you want a strong man to just fix it.
dan friesen
Because the inevitable thing here with these tax cuts and with the direction everything is going is a bubble bursting.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Because there's a lot of artificial enthusiasm.
jordan holmes
Look at how high the stock market is right now.
dan friesen
Exactly.
jordan holmes
Look at how high it is right now.
dan friesen
It'll never stop.
jordan holmes
It's going to end next year.
dan friesen
Probably.
Maybe.
I don't know.
It's dumb of us to make a prediction of when.
But when it does, I will make this prediction.
Alex will blame the globalists.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
And the GOP will blame the poor.
dan friesen
And knowing how Alex Jones' audience is probably pretty clear at this point that we know who the globalists are, it will be very easy for them to scapegoat and blame.
They'll probably actually go with Muslims.
It's probably easier.
jordan holmes
The only good thing about this is that during those dark times, before fascism takes hold, we will get to kill some people.
That is going to happen.
dan friesen
There will be a purge?
jordan holmes
It always happens.
Sure, there's going to be a fascist dictator that rises.
You're Napoleon.
You're Hitler.
Whatever you like.
But in those intervening times...
We're going to get to chop some heads off.
dan friesen
I will politely decline the actually murdering.
jordan holmes
I understand, and I agree with you.
dan friesen
In principle.
jordan holmes
But, believe me, when they do come, you're going to come on over to my side.
dan friesen
I'll help you from the...
The shadows.
jordan holmes
You're going to be ready.
dan friesen
Anyway, let's not give out our plans.
jordan holmes
You're going to be my campaign murder manager.
dan friesen
I'll be your Alex Jones.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
unidentified
Hey!
dan friesen
Anyway.
jordan holmes
Nobody's in a better place to do it than you.
dan friesen
So if you enjoyed Jordan's rant there, you can check out more of his ramblings on our website, knowledgefight.com.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Check out his blog.
jordan holmes
I have one.
dan friesen
Yep, it's on there.
It's on the front page.
jordan holmes
You can also go to click support the show.
True.
Or you can follow us on Twitter.
dan friesen
Yep.
Knowledge underscore fight.
jordan holmes
You could go to the iTunes.
dan friesen
iTunes.
jordan holmes
The iTunes.
dan friesen
The Facebook we're also on.
jordan holmes
And we're doing a lot of different dynamics and octave changes.
unidentified
Sure.
jordan holmes
That's what we're going to do from now on.
unidentified
Yep.
jordan holmes
And then...
dan friesen
Next episode we'll take calls from critical listeners.
jordan holmes
Right.
That would be fun.
And then I just...
You know, there's just one guy who I think is really at fault.
For all of these tax cuts.
dan friesen
And I imagine this guy...
For all of our...
I think I know who you're talking about.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
This guy, if you tried to get him in a guillotine, he'd catch that fucking blade in his chompers.
jordan holmes
That's why we're going to start at the feet.
dan friesen
He's got robot teeth.
jordan holmes
He's got robot teeth.
dan friesen
They were made by CIA dentist David Bowie.
jordan holmes
Transmit all of the vaccine information to people all around the world.
dan friesen
Chompa-chompa.
jordan holmes
And this guy.
The ringleader behind all of this.
I just have a few words for him.
dan friesen
Oh, boy.
jordan holmes
John Rappaport, go fuck yourself.
alex jones
Andy in Kansas, you're on the air.
Thanks for holding.
jordan holmes
Hello, Alex.
I'm a first-time caller.
unidentified
I'm a huge fan.
I love your work.
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