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#103: January 17, 2016

Today, Dan tells Jordan all about what happened on the January 17, 2016 episode of The Alex Jones Show. They are sort of still exploring why Alex became a mouthpiece for Donald Trump, though that question's been pretty well answered. On this episode, you'll also learn (a lot) about Alex's feelings about the Rapture, and whether or not Alex's dad was a medical truther.

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alex jones
19:11
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dan friesen
51:03
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jordan holmes
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alex jones
Andy in Kansas, you're on the air.
Thanks for holding.
unidentified
Hello, Alex.
I'm a first-time caller.
I'm a huge fan.
I love your work.
alex jones
I love you.
dan friesen
Hey, everybody.
Welcome back to Knowledge Fight.
I'm Dan.
jordan holmes
I'm Jordan.
dan friesen
We hear a couple dudes like to sit around, drink novelty beverages, and talk a little bit about Alex Jones.
jordan holmes
Today we're drinking nice sparkling water.
dan friesen
That seems to be a go-to to a certain extent.
jordan holmes
They're cheap.
dan friesen
They're tasty.
jordan holmes
We did plenty of drinking last night, so maybe no drinks today.
dan friesen
A couple shit bars.
jordan holmes
We went out to, I think, three or four shit bars.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
It was not great.
unidentified
No.
jordan holmes
And I know nothing about Alex Jones.
dan friesen
That's the premise of the show.
I know a lot about him.
You don't know anything about him, and we try and work through his weirdness.
jordan holmes
Absolutely.
dan friesen
Just if anyone's keeping track, we did play a game of Scrabble last night out at the bar, but it was non-canonical.
jordan holmes
No, it did not count.
dan friesen
It was non-canonical.
jordan holmes
It was a bad Scrabble game from the jump.
dan friesen
Because we were furious that our food took maybe an hour and a half to make it this shit bar.
jordan holmes
And it's not like we got complicated food.
You put it in a fryer and then hand it to us.
dan friesen
Lots of sticks and fries.
And also, I mean, we should have known.
There was vomit, like, right outside the bar.
unidentified
That's true.
dan friesen
We should have known.
jordan holmes
It's partly on us.
dan friesen
Hard pass on this bar.
But, anyway, we are here.
We are drinking fizzy water, which is delicious.
And we are thrilled to be back on this here Alex Jones podcast.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it's been a while since we've recorded.
dan friesen
Yeah, it feels like forever.
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
dan friesen
I'd like to say a couple things really quick.
First...
I don't...
jordan holmes
Don't go to Parrot's Bar on Halstead.
dan friesen
I was hoping you would keep it big.
I mentioned this last night, and it's one of those things that I really, really hate about bars, some bars, that have, like, big open windows to the street.
I think that some people of a certain persuasion...
jordan holmes
Assholes.
dan friesen
Exactly.
They have a performative aspect to their nights out.
Where it's the people who get really dressed up and they want to be seen and look like they're having fun more than actually having fun.
And there was a large group of people that were spending most of the time there at the pool table.
You wanted to play pool.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
And we couldn't because of them.
And they were just over-hyping how much fun they were having.
jordan holmes
They were acting like they were in a Dave and Buster's commercial.
dan friesen
It was exactly that.
And I know it's because there's a huge window to the street there.
They knew that people could watch them having fun.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
It was...
jordan holmes
They might as well have been sponsored by the bar.
Like, hey, go hang out in this window, and everybody will be like, holy shit, this place is fun.
And then you go into the bar, and you're like, this is the saddest place in the world.
dan friesen
I just want mozzarella sticks.
jordan holmes
I just want...
dan friesen
And, I mean, my theory that these people were dicks was, like, very well established by when they came over and a guy lectured you about low fives.
jordan holmes
Oh, yeah, that's right.
Fuck, I forgot that.
dan friesen
We were trying to just play Scrabble, mind our own business, wait for our food, and some guy came over and you gave your girlfriend a low five and he was like...
jordan holmes
What, are you doing low fives in here?
No, you give high fives.
And it's like, why are you still alive?
dan friesen
Right, it's like, at what point do you think this is a friendship starter?
Is that what's going on?
Are you trying to be a dick, or do you think this is going to be an icebreaker?
What's going on?
Like, I don't understand that mentality in people.
I fucking, I just don't get it.
I don't connect with people.
jordan holmes
What would the ice, how would that break the ice?
Just like, oh.
Low fives are bad?
dan friesen
You are right.
jordan holmes
You sound like the most interesting man in the world.
dan friesen
You must have read that in a book.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Have you heard about the protocols of the Elders of Zion, sir?
dan friesen
We had very different approaches to dealing with this guy, too.
Because, like, you were kind of like, ah, you're an asshole.
And my approach was, ha-ha!
Like, very over-the-top fake laughing.
And neither worked.
jordan holmes
I think it's fair to say, if you've listened to our show, you understood the dynamic of how we reacted to it.
dan friesen
Yeah, exactly.
So those weren't the things I wanted to say.
I wanted to say that on our Facebook, We started at the end of last week.
Started to post a lot more blog content about Alex Jones in the immediate.
So when I'm listening to the episodes, I'm cutting clips and writing up, debunking articles about fucked up things he says in real time.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
And I appreciate everybody who's liked them and shared them.
But what I want to say is that if you are interested in the show, I would really appreciate it if you could go and share them.
makes such a big difference in terms of Facebook's algorithms.
And it's not one of these Alex Jones things where they're censoring us.
It's just how it works.
If you have a fan page or whatever, But you can organically get around that through like three or four or five people sharing things.
The ball starts rolling.
It gets shown to a wider range of people.
And that would be a massive help in terms of getting the word out about things that we think are important about Alex Jones.
So if you could do that, I appreciate it.
But at the same time, if you don't want to, don't do it.
Because I understand what it's like.
I don't want to share a bunch of stuff on my page.
I don't want my page getting cluttered up with a bunch of crazy people talking.
I'm talking about Alex Jones.
And if that's where you're at, I understand.
jordan holmes
And frankly, if that's not where you're at, who are you?
unidentified
What's going on?
jordan holmes
Are you okay?
Do you need to call us?
dan friesen
I feel like you're talking to me now.
jordan holmes
I was trying to stealthily do that.
dan friesen
That's fair.
So I appreciate that.
That would be wonderful.
Anyway, let's get on to it.
Let's get down to business.
jordan holmes
I thought you said there were a few things you wanted to talk about.
dan friesen
I think it was the...
jordan holmes
I think that was just one.
dan friesen
No, because it was a compound thing.
It was the, if you want to share the stuff, please do.
And also the second thing was, if you don't want to, I totally understand.
jordan holmes
That doesn't count as two things.
dan friesen
I think it does.
jordan holmes
I disagree.
dan friesen
In my head, it's very separate things.
jordan holmes
All right, all right.
Anyways, don't go to Parrot's Bar on Halston and Clark.
dan friesen
That's the third thing.
Oh, no, the other thing is I wanted to give a shout out to our new policy wonk.
We got a new donation.
unidentified
Oh, shit!
jordan holmes
We got a new policy wonk?
dan friesen
We did, so I'd like to give this one out to you.
What's going on?
I don't know.
jordan holmes
You know, after you find out that Kevin Durant had multiple Twitter accounts to fucking attack people who made fun of his...
Who knows?
dan friesen
Anything is possible.
jordan holmes
What if Paul Ryan is a self-hating Republican?
dan friesen
I'm certain he is.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's true.
That's true.
dan friesen
So if you want to become a policy wonk, you can do that by going to our website, knowledgefight.com, clicking the support the show button.
Now we've done all kinds of business here with the top five minutes of the show.
jordan holmes
And thank you very much, Ryan.
dan friesen
Yes, thank you.
We appreciate it.
Keeps the lights on.
Ha ha.
Low five.
jordan holmes
Not in my house, goddammit!
dan friesen
This is my house, first of all.
jordan holmes
Then, yes, sir, I will give you a low five.
dan friesen
I'd like to propose a metaphorical high five for the fact that today we are back in the past.
jordan holmes
Oh, thank God.
dan friesen
The most recent shows of Alex's have not been fun, and not really all that interesting, because he's mostly just going hard at Al Franken.
And quite frankly, I don't disagree.
jordan holmes
No, I'm fine with it.
dan friesen
Yeah, if Al Franken's assaulting people, then absolutely he should step down, and I don't think he gets a pass in any way.
Alex is presenting it as like...
These liberals won't call their own to task.
I'm like, fuck off.
Everyone hates Lena Dunham.
Everybody's mad at Al Franken.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
And they're mad at him in a much more complicated way than Republicans seem possible of achieving.
unidentified
Oh, of course not.
dan friesen
In that there's disappointment and...
Sorry, you fucked up.
You gotta go.
unidentified
Right, right, right.
dan friesen
But the disappointment of, like, you had done some good things in the Senate, you seemed like you were, you know, he's real sharp in a lot of categories in terms of grilling people about climate change and what have you.
jordan holmes
And he's been very publicly helpful towards the cause of, towards just women.
dan friesen
And it's unfortunate, but the reality is the reality, and people on the left are dealing with reality.
jordan holmes
Right.
Maybe what we should do is never give men any sort of power, because chances are they're gonna abuse it.
dan friesen
Or...
jordan holmes
Especially towards women.
dan friesen
Extreme vetting.
Perhaps.
I don't know.
It's super complicated.
The way Alex is dealing with it isn't based in reality.
And it's just trying to score points.
And the whole time, he's just talking with all these people about Roy Moore.
And his whole perspective is, it's weird.
unidentified
What?
jordan holmes
It's like...
dan friesen
No, no, no, no, no, no.
jordan holmes
Now is not the time to talk about age of consent laws, first off.
unidentified
Well, he does.
jordan holmes
And second, he absolutely raped a girl.
You know it and I know it.
That happened.
dan friesen
Well, there was that accuser who came out and said that he basically, like, grabbed her head through to his crotch after driving her to a darkened part of a parking lot.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
I mean, that's not weird.
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
That's criminal.
jordan holmes
That's a crime.
dan friesen
Yeah, and so...
jordan holmes
It's a weird crime, maybe.
I might give you that one.
dan friesen
Yeah, it's possible that you could take credit for that.
Anyway, I do have one thing I wanted to play.
This is sort of an out-of-context drop.
unidentified
Okay.
dan friesen
This is from the November 16th show, so this is from the present, and it's Alex trying to score points about his sexual tastes, I think.
jordan holmes
No, no!
dan friesen
It's interesting.
jordan holmes
No.
alex jones
Porn.
Take porn.
unidentified
I will.
alex jones
I can't even watch it anymore.
And I'm not going to sit up here with our audience and be fake and say I've never seen porn.
I literally...
unidentified
Okay.
alex jones
You know what I like?
jordan holmes
Oh, no.
alex jones
I like typing in pin-up girls from the 50s.
And I'll just sit there for like an hour on my computer looking at women as pin-up girls.
jordan holmes
Now, that's weird.
alex jones
Or like a waitress in a cute skirt and cute outfit.
Like a woman cute and happy.
That's what I like.
jordan holmes
That's really weird.
dan friesen
I mean, there's a lot of things to unpack there.
I trust someone who likes hardcore porn way more than somebody who stares at pin-ups for hours.
Because he's talking about it in a sexual context.
jordan holmes
Yeah, of course.
dan friesen
And let's be clear.
The fetishizing of pin-up girls and that sort of aesthetic often is...
Maybe a fetishization of women without power.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Like an era where women were very subservient and submissive.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
And I think there's some weird elements there.
And the idea that he'd be sitting there for an hour, just like, ah, look at that.
jordan holmes
It's very much an uncomplicated...
I like women who cannot talk back, who only smile, and who are never, ever mad at me.
dan friesen
You ever fuck a mannequin?
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Have you ever fucked a mannequin?
dan friesen
I have not.
jordan holmes
I'm fine with fucking a mannequin leg.
dan friesen
I've not.
unidentified
What?
dan friesen
I've also not had a blow-up doll, or as my...
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
My friend Sal from Columbia, Missouri would say, I'll blow up, fuck doll.
He's the guy who owned the bar I used to do my comedy show at.
One night he decided he was going to do a set.
I'm like, fuck yeah, of course you are.
No, he's great.
He's a hilarious former New Jersey pipe fitter.
He's an awesome guy.
jordan holmes
Alright, now I'm back on board.
dan friesen
So he called himself the Wolfman Sack.
jordan holmes
Now I'm super on board.
dan friesen
That was his character.
jordan holmes
I want a million of him.
dan friesen
And so he gets on stage and he's like, hey, you know why?
We're going to have one of these blow-up fuck dolls.
And his set is just maybe ten minutes of him saying blow-up fuck doll repeatedly.
I love it.
jordan holmes
See, that's always the best part.
unidentified
That's comedy.
jordan holmes
That's the best part of any kind of open mic is, look, people who are working on jokes, fine.
I'm happy for you.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Lunatics.
Now I'm excited.
dan friesen
He's the good kind of lunatic, to be fair.
In all fairness, we ran into some of the other sorts and they don't deserve to be discussed.
unidentified
Nah.
dan friesen
So let's move back into 2016, Jordan.
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
We're in January 2016.
We last left off, I believe, on like the 11th or so.
unidentified
When last we left our hero.
dan friesen
After the 11th, there's a string of boring fucking shows.
Because Alex, it comes out that Chris Carter is rebooting the X-Files.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
He's restarting the X-Files, and one of the characters...
jordan holmes
The football player?
unidentified
No.
dan friesen
Not the Vikings receiver.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
The guy who created the X-Files.
unidentified
All right, all right.
dan friesen
And one of the characters in the new X-Files was loosely based on Alex Jones.
jordan holmes
Yes.
No, I recall that.
dan friesen
He, in an interview, says that Alex Jones isn't what he would consider to be super right-wing.
He's more of a libertarian, and Alex takes that to be a big positive.
unidentified
Of course.
dan friesen
And that's fair.
That is what it is.
You know, whatever.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
But Alex...
jordan holmes
I think we would beg to differ, but okay.
dan friesen
It doesn't matter to me, really.
Yeah.
The categorization isn't the most important thing.
jordan holmes
Fair.
dan friesen
But he goes on for about two days talking about how The X-Files is the biggest show of all time, and even they know that Alex Jones is right about everything.
unidentified
Of course.
dan friesen
And that's why they're putting him in the show.
jordan holmes
Of course.
dan friesen
And he's friends with Dean Haglund, one of the guys from The Lone Gunman.
jordan holmes
I take it he hasn't seen it.
At this point in time.
Yeah, exactly.
dan friesen
It was still in promotion, or they had just maybe wrapped filming or something like that.
jordan holmes
Kumail hadn't even started on his interview.
dan friesen
It's beginning of 2016, so I think it was about to air or something like that.
He goes on and on and on for like two days straight just about how like the X-Files loves me.
Chris Carter's a patriot.
We're going to get him on the show.
Best show of all time.
And then he talks about Dean Hagelin, the guy from The Lone Gunman, the spinoff of The X-Files.
unidentified
Okay.
dan friesen
And how one of the episodes, the CIA had contacted The Lone Gunman writers and told them to write 9-11 as a plot in the show in order to prematurely inoculate the public from thinking it was fake.
Because like, it couldn't have been.
I mean, it was in this episode.
The odds of that are fucking crazy.
I'm like, I don't want to do this.
I'm just listening to the episodes.
I'm like, I don't want to do this.
unidentified
Nope.
dan friesen
Fuck this.
And then David Knight hosts a couple days.
jordan holmes
Definitely don't want to do that.
dan friesen
No.
So I jumped ahead to the next day that was...
jordan holmes
Can you imagine?
What if we did a David Knight episode?
Would that even work?
I feel like that wouldn't even work for us.
dan friesen
I think the audience would revolt.
jordan holmes
I think we would revolt.
dan friesen
We would lose our walks, man.
jordan holmes
I think we would try and record the episode and then halfway through rage quit like an online video game player.
dan friesen
It's possible.
I think we'd lose all of our donations and our will to live.
jordan holmes
Which is amazing that David Knight hasn't done the same to Infowars.
dan friesen
He knows his job.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
He knows his place.
So what we ended up having to do...
jordan holmes
He's like a well-trained dog.
dan friesen
I want to stress this.
I mean this sincerely.
Because our last episode that we covered was like on the 11th or the 12th.
And today's episode we're covering January 17th.
Don't think that that doesn't mean I still had to listen to 15 hours of Alex Jones for nothing.
15 hours that we're not going to be covering at all.
I still listen to that shit.
But it took me...
All that time to get to the 17th of January, 2016.
And boy, was it worth it.
unidentified
Okay.
dan friesen
There are a couple things that we're going to find out on this show that are huge in terms of proving some theories that we've had about Alex.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
And then beyond that, he's crazy.
jordan holmes
Yay!
dan friesen
It's a Sunday show.
jordan holmes
So we're going to start some soft narratives.
That's what's about to happen.
dan friesen
Not especially.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
It's not one of those Sunday shows.
It's one of the Sunday shows where he knows that the audience is the smaller and more engaged audience.
And so he feels free to like...
Let it rip.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
I think he thinks he's a preacher also in this episode.
jordan holmes
That sounds good.
dan friesen
So we're going to start with...
jordan holmes
That's a good Alex Jones.
We like that one.
dan friesen
It's not bad in terms of the...
I mean, he's a little bit of an esoteric preacher too.
jordan holmes
Especially when he's really, really wrong about what he's preaching about.
dan friesen
Well, we'll find out if that's the case.
jordan holmes
I imagine it is.
dan friesen
Alex is mad at sports today.
That's where he begins the broadcast, so we'll join him here.
jordan holmes
Well, we're on the 17th.
Right around Super Bowl territory.
dan friesen
February, beginning of February was the Super Bowl.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
In 2016.
jordan holmes
Yeah, so we're in the playoffs.
dan friesen
We're in the playoffs.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Yeah, yeah.
And Alex has some thoughts.
alex jones
Ladies and gentlemen, I'm going to be honest with you.
I'm not as manly as a lot of the people out there who are going to be watching the Seahawks and the Carolina Panthers coming up here in a little while.
In fact, I'm so unmanly that I don't even know who played in the earlier playoffs today.
dan friesen
Hell yeah.
jordan holmes
You did it.
alex jones
You know, the truth is, I played football in high school.
I liked football.
I went to Dallas Cowboys games with some when I was a kid.
And I can sure get into a game.
dan friesen
Cool.
alex jones
I can sure enjoy it.
But, you know, when I realize that it's used as a propaganda tool by the social engineers and that the patriotism you see during the game has been paid for with millions of dollars.
jordan holmes
Well, then I assume you support Colin Kaepernick's taking a knee.
Right?
Because the patriotism is clearly paid for, and in fact, the government pays the NFL to pull all that bullshit.
They started doing that around 2006, if I recall correctly.
dan friesen
Yeah, all the jingoism and Americana.
Right, right, right.
jordan holmes
So, since he knows that it's just a crass money-making scheme, maybe he supports people.
dan friesen
Shit branding.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
But, like, the other thing about it is, like, Alex is so stupid.
Like, the idea that he thinks that that's some sort of, like, arcane secret thing that he's presenting.
Like, the idea that the government pays, or the military pays the NFL to promote the military.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Of course they, of course that's advertisement.
jordan holmes
Haven't you seen the army commercials?
unidentified
Exactly.
dan friesen
Like, it's not, anybody could see through that.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
I don't understand why it's like, oh, they secretly do that.
It's declassified.
That sort of mentality.
It's very weird.
jordan holmes
I mean, when they've got Keith David doing voiceover for the Navy commercials, it's like, come on, guys.
You guys are screwing everybody over.
dan friesen
And you have all those commercials for the military services that have real athletic tone to them, and then on top of that, just, I don't know, video game soldier tone.
jordan holmes
Those sound fun?
dan friesen
Yeah.
I mean, it's a different issue than he's complaining about, quite frankly.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
It's propaganda.
jordan holmes
No, he's right, and again, he's super wrong for those reasons.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So, I mean, great.
I'm glad that he can enjoy games.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
I'm glad that he, I guess, has seen through the bullshit and now doesn't want...
And he doesn't get into the idea of sapping manlyhood.
jordan holmes
Manliness.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Manhood.
unidentified
Whatever.
dan friesen
From dudes.
jordan holmes
Male vitality.
dan friesen
Exactly.
He usually does that when he complains about football.
Like, it's fake warfare to try and demasculinize man or whatever.
He's not really on that tip.
jordan holmes
How does he feel about the movie Toys?
unidentified
Hates it.
jordan holmes
Which has turned out to be one of the more prescient films of our time.
dan friesen
Hates it.
jordan holmes
Really?
dan friesen
Hates it.
jordan holmes
Oh, man.
dan friesen
Doesn't like...
jordan holmes
But Robin Williams and LL Cool J, come on!
Nailing the future right!
dan friesen
He thought that the MTV segment was whack.
I don't disagree with him.
jordan holmes
I agree.
dan friesen
So he's in this weird place about sports, but then he makes this revelation that makes absolutely no sense.
It indicates something other than enjoyment of sport and sports leagues that he seems to be complaining about.
alex jones
I'm not here judging anybody who's into sports.
I get it.
I've been there.
In fact, even though I've been awake, what year was it that the Red Sox finally went back to the World Series?
Like 8, 9, 10 years ago?
jordan holmes
2003.
alex jones
And I was working on a film with a director who was into the Red Sox.
And so I started at his office working late and then going out to restaurants or bars with him to watch it up to the World Series.
But it just took like a month or whatever, but it took over my life.
I was calling my wife saying, yeah, I'm sorry, I'm going back out tonight to watch the Red Sox.
I mean, I get it, folks.
If I started watching it within days, if I started watching ESPN, I would be hooked like a 10-pound bass on the end of a line.
Right through my lip.
jordan holmes
So you have an addictive personality.
alex jones
I get it.
I've been there.
dan friesen
Exactly.
I think he was gambling.
Because that behavior is not...
I mean, when...
The, like, Cubs were in the World Series.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
That's how you were.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
But you're a lifelong Cubs fan.
jordan holmes
Yeah, exactly.
dan friesen
That makes sense.
jordan holmes
Why would you just randomly?
dan friesen
There's no reason.
I mean, I know he said he's hanging out with a Sox fan, but he's a lifelong Texan.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
There's no reason for him to like the Red Sox.
jordan holmes
Now, I mean, at the time, that was an amazing team, and it was a great narrative.
You know, Pedro Martinez was throwing fireballs.
Like, it was a good time.
dan friesen
It was St. Louis, right?
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
They beat.
jordan holmes
I don't remember.
dan friesen
I don't know.
I lost...
jordan holmes
After they came back from three down to beat the Yankees, that was pretty much the end of it.
dan friesen
I was working at a Lion's Choice roast beef shop when that happened in my life.
jordan holmes
How'd it go?
dan friesen
Well, it was great.
I loved it.
jordan holmes
Did you get some beef?
dan friesen
I made a lot of beef.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
Made a lot of beef.
Real bloody beef, too.
It was horrible.
jordan holmes
I don't like that.
dan friesen
I would go home just covered in blood from the roast beef because I was on the slicer.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
My buddy Colin was on Buns.
He had to butter the buns and put them in the toaster.
jordan holmes
You should have switched jobs.
dan friesen
No, because it was super fun because he was kind of slow on it.
He would always yell, Waiting on Buns!
That was kind of our thing.
He decided he was going to make a rap album.
Uh-huh.
And the title was going to be Waiting on Buns.
jordan holmes
That's not a good title.
dan friesen
Anyway, there was a guy who worked there who was from St. Louis.
And just because I was like, the Cardinals are up.
In the series, I like a gamble.
I was like, I'll bet you $100 that the Red Sox win this thing.
He's like, you got it.
And did not pay me.
unidentified
Oh.
dan friesen
Did not pay me.
jordan holmes
I'm sorry about that.
dan friesen
Probably would have collected from me if I had lost.
jordan holmes
Of course.
dan friesen
I did not.
I did not make him pay.
But be that as it may, what Alex is describing is not normal sports watcher behavior.
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
That's a gambler's behavior.
jordan holmes
That's a gambling problem.
dan friesen
Yeah, absolutely.
That is like, I got money on the spread, honey.
I'll be home later.
I gotta watch the game, see if my prop bets hit.
You know, if someone hits it to the warning track, I get 20 bucks.
jordan holmes
Yeah, there's definitely, there's no like, oh, I'm gonna take the run line.
Nah, nah, nah, dude.
You're going wild.
dan friesen
Or just like, because sports is such an excuse to drink.
It could be like an alcoholism thing.
jordan holmes
He's got an addictive personality.
That's really all he's revealing there.
The problem he has with sports is the problem he has with him.
Not sports.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
Sports are not the issue here, Alex.
dan friesen
And that might be why he thinks that sports takes away people's virility and their enthusiasm and energy.
It's because it does for him.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
He gets fucked up by them.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
As we have found elsewhere, he is a world-class projector.
dan friesen
Yeah, that's true.
He should get a movie theater job.
He's such a projectionist.
So in this next clip, Alex talks a little bit about science.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
Guess what?
He's wrong.
jordan holmes
I bet.
alex jones
And the system's written countless books, countless university studies, white papers.
They had the Stanford research studies.
They had others.
There was more than seven famous ones where they were able to get nine out of ten or more people to murder subjects in the graduate student and Ph.D. programs.
Look them up.
dan friesen
I did.
alex jones
There are a bunch of famous studies.
Just type in famous study where students believed they were killing subjects.
And when an authority figure stood there, their professor, by successful approximation, took a week or so of them slowly torturing people, they believed, with actors.
jordan holmes
That's not how that works.
alex jones
With electric shocks to then say, kill them.
And most people would then kill or what they believed was murder.
Under peer pressure from an authority figure.
That's the Milgram experiment.
dan friesen
Ooh, shouldn't have been specific, Alex.
jordan holmes
Not a good idea.
alex jones
Figures.
And that's what this has all been about, ladies and gentlemen.
jordan holmes
So that's the one that's about the Nuremberg trials, essentially.
Okay.
dan friesen
The foundational question was, is it possible that these people were just following orders?
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
And so what they did is they had it set up where one subject, the test subject, was in a room with an experimenter.
jordan holmes
Had the dial.
dan friesen
No.
Had a button.
jordan holmes
They had the button?
I was fairly certain that was the dial one.
Or they had it.
It was like it would turn up every...
Yes.
dan friesen
The experimenter would turn up the knob, which was a fake knob.
Right.
How it worked was you had the experimenter and you had the subject.
And in the other room, the next room, you had the plant, who was working with the experimenter, and they were supposedly another subject of the study.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
So you had the experimenter.
The role of the subject was to be a teacher.
And the other subject in the other room was supposed to be the student.
And in the setup of the experiment, the subject would be sitting there, and they would try and get the other person in the other room to...
to guess a word based on another word.
There was a word game that they were playing and whenever they got an answer wrong they were supposed to shock the I don't think we should do this.
They would rebut them four times, and if they made it past the fourth rebuttal, the experiment would end.
That was the whole idea to see how much people would push back against authority.
And they did find that most people very unhappily went along with it.
The other way the experiment ended was you get up to 450 volts.
jordan holmes
Which is enough to kill.
dan friesen
Theoretically.
jordan holmes
They were told it was enough to kill.
dan friesen
That's not an essential piece of the experiment.
That's one of the things he's misrepresenting.
I mean, 65 volts could kill you.
jordan holmes
It's electricity through your brain.
dan friesen
It's not about voltage.
It's about current when it comes down to electricity.
And it also comes down to, like, do you have a wound that it's going in?
Because then the, like, skin is a really good conductor for the most part of electricity.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
But if you have a cut or something like that, the blood is going to, it's going to be a disaster.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
So there's all, like, it's not, they weren't sitting down there being like, kill this man or something like that.
jordan holmes
Right.
No, he does present it that way.
dan friesen
It was super fucked up as an experiment and what they learned was pretty shocking.
Now.
Here's the other most important piece that Alex is not talking about.
The Milgram experiment, it is historically seen as not that great of an experiment.
And here's why.
Everyone was dudes.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
No shit.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Well, I mean, in a certain way...
dan friesen
The original experiment was all dudes.
jordan holmes
If you are going to test that as a Nuremberg trial situation, though, not a lot of Nazi female soldiers in that regard.
dan friesen
Yeah, that's probably true.
jordan holmes
And it was at the time, you know, militaries were.
All dudes.
Except for the Russian military, because they needed everybody.
dan friesen
Right, but you can't...
jordan holmes
As far as an experiment goes, I don't think he is...
I think he's misrepresenting it and getting a lot of the details wrong.
But based on what he is saying, I think he's got the spirit of what he's trying to say correct.
Which is that it's weird that people would be willing to murder because of an authority figure.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
If that's all he's trying to say.
dan friesen
In the first set of experiments, I mean, Alex said 90%, 65%.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
26 out of the 40 experiment participants, which is also too small a sample size to really externalize.
jordan holmes
Way too small.
dan friesen
And generalize based on.
It's fucked up, but it's still like.
So 65% of the participants administered the experiment's final 450-volt shock, though many were very uncomfortable doing so.
At some point, every participant paused and questioned the experiment.
Some said they would refund the money they were paid for participating in the experiment.
Throughout the experiment, subjects displayed varying degrees of tension and stress.
Subjects were sweating, trembling.
stuttering, biting their lips, groaning, digging their fingernails into their skin, and some were even having nervous laughing fits or seizures.
In passing, he does mention...
jordan holmes
The Stanford Prison Experiment?
dan friesen
And that's another super fucked up one.
jordan holmes
And it's also another one that...
In the same way that Milgram is...
They are described less as experiments and more as kind of philosophical questions.
dan friesen
And cautions.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
The Stanford Prison Experiment is a...
You know, if it were...
If the...
What am I trying to say?
If the strictures of the experiment were applied elsewhere, it would be immediately invalidated.
No biological science, no any science, any of the hard sciences would ever accept those rules as a valid experiment.
dan friesen
It's more or less anecdotal in nature.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
dan friesen
But it's still poignant.
jordan holmes
It is.
You know, the Stanford Prison Experiment, you can still draw some conclusions from that, but you can't draw wide, far-reaching conclusions.
You can just notice, hey, human beings are fucked up.
dan friesen
You know what they almost are?
They almost are good ways to inoculate people from that behavior in the future.
jordan holmes
That's possible.
dan friesen
Because you have these, quote, experiments that are done that demonstrate a point, and people can see it illustrated in real time, and they're like, oh, I hope I wouldn't do that.
Right.
unidentified
And then possibly going through their life, they're more aware of the influence of authority figures.
dan friesen
Well, and the only problem with that, though, is...
jordan holmes
It doesn't seem to matter.
You know, we have a very good experiment about how Nazism works, and apparently people are still fine with it.
dan friesen
Yeah, that's fairly true.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Oh, well.
jordan holmes
I don't know.
Those are really, really interesting studies.
Again, because they are invalid.
There's, you know, just by the very fact of it being, you being aware that it is an experiment.
dan friesen
And you're being paid.
jordan holmes
And you're being paid means that you're, you know, like if I'm in that situation with an experiment and they're saying blah blah blah blah blah, there's also the part of your brain that goes, well there's no way they would allow me to kill a guy.
dan friesen
Uh-huh.
jordan holmes
So there's an artificial construct there.
dan friesen
What if they did?
Right?
jordan holmes
What if they did?
unidentified
Dude!
jordan holmes
It was the 60s!
Who fucking knows?
dan friesen
The 70s.
jordan holmes
Whatever.
dan friesen
But yeah, you kill the guy and the experimenter's like, dude.
That's fucked up.
unidentified
Hey, I mean, you want to go back to the fucking Tuskegee experiments?
jordan holmes
They're fine with killing people.
Especially back then.
dan friesen
Yeah, that's true.
jordan holmes
That was back when science was more of like a...
Hey, you guys here's some money.
Go fucking whatever.
I don't know.
dan friesen
Just do something.
jordan holmes
Yeah!
Let's justify your budget.
That's all we need from you.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
So Alex is wrong about the...
I mean, it's sort of like these...
He's right in a small sense and wrong in a big sense.
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
About these experiments.
jordan holmes
As is so often the case when we say he is right.
unidentified
It is generally speaking in a very, very small capacity.
dan friesen
A very trivial way.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
But don't let that fucking fool you.
alex jones
Okay.
jordan holmes
I won't.
dan friesen
Alex has a history of reading brainy magazines.
jordan holmes
Please don't tell me he says that.
dan friesen
He does.
alex jones
Ugh.
I remember reading 20-something years ago.
In different publications that were a little bit more brainy that the CIA by the 50s had put out a worldwide program to put out ugly art to discredit beautiful art because they wanted to destroy the discrimination factors in the brain between what is good and what is bad.
dan friesen
You read that in brainy publications.
jordan holmes
I came on a skull too.
I don't know if you guys remember that one.
dan friesen
Well, yeah, there is that.
Go back to the March 30th episode.
For that fucking super fun time.
jordan holmes
So his idea of what...
So as he understands the CIA's plan, it is to put out bad art in order to discredit good art.
dan friesen
Yes.
jordan holmes
That.
It's a great CIA plan, and I would fund more of that.
dan friesen
And, like, the idea of, like, making it so you can't differentiate between good art and bad art, what is beautiful and what is ugly, it's complete nonsense.
jordan holmes
But, I mean, you go into the, there's tons of anecdotes of, like, oh, I actually just let a monkey paint this and it sold for a million dollars.
What are you talking about going to discredit art?
The art world is already fabricated anyways.
dan friesen
Yeah, but there's a truth to some of this.
The CIA did...
Help promote people like Jackson Pollock, Mark Rothko, and Willem de Kooning.
Like these abstract expressionists back in their time.
jordan holmes
I did not know that.
dan friesen
They did.
And it was a piece of the Cold War strategy that they had.
jordan holmes
Okay.
unidentified
The CIA was wild during the Cold War.
dan friesen
I'm reading here from an article in Open Culture about this.
The artists themselves were completely unaware that their work was being used as propaganda.
On what agents called a, quote, long leash, they participated in several exhibitions secretly organized by the CIA, such as the New American Painting, which visited major European cities in 1958 and 1959, and included such modern primitive works as surrealist William Baziot's 1947 painting, Dorf, and 1951's Tournament by Adolf Gottlieb.
jordan holmes
And 1984's Dorf on Golf.
dan friesen
Indeed.
So they're like super fucked up paintings.
They're like bizarre.
Yeah.
Completely abstract.
So was the...
jordan holmes
Okay, next question.
And this is very serious.
Was the CIA behind the Dadaist movement?
dan friesen
They were behind Rococo.
jordan holmes
Okay.
I accept that.
dan friesen
So the idea that what they were doing is...
You have this art, and it's not really seen as all that great over here.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
But you have people in Russia...
Who are used to very concrete paintings.
Because in their totalitarian state in the 50s, in the Soviet Union, you had a firmer control over art.
So you had basically the art that was approved is like realistic paintings of Stalin.
And shit like that.
That's what flies over there.
And so promotion in Europe of this...
Like, very bizarre American art is going to lead to positive American sentiments because they're going to see America as avant-garde.
They're going to see them on the cutting edge.
unidentified
I got you.
dan friesen
And it's going to be so different from what they're used to.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
So that is the strategy that the CIA was employing as a way of culturally piercing the Soviet Union citizens.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
That is what they were doing.
It has nothing to do with trying to warp the minds of good and bad.
jordan holmes
So it's like if the CIA was exporting Super Mario Brothers to North Korea right now.
dan friesen
Yes.
jordan holmes
Basically.
dan friesen
Yeah, essentially.
unidentified
You know, sometimes I wish we could go back to the Cold War.
jordan holmes
Like, when you read the stories of what the CIA did during the Cold War and how they had so little oversight...
All of their plans were Rube Goldberg machines.
It's fantastic how silly they were.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Just so much rooting through garbage and like, okay, what if we implant this thing inside a mouse?
It's a little recording device and maybe the mouse will go into the boardroom and we'll get to hear all of it.
dan friesen
Did they with cats too?
jordan holmes
Yeah, exactly.
Like, what are you guys, what is this?
Are you guys mad scientists?
What's happening is delightful.
dan friesen
They were to some extent.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
But that's the intersection.
The intersection of desperation and like Early technologies.
jordan holmes
The military-industrial complex run amok?
dan friesen
Well, that too, but rudimentary technologies.
Right.
We couldn't quite do what we needed to do yet.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
And then you add lack of oversight because of the desperate times.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Like, the real severe fear.
And we could argue all day about whether that was overblown.
unidentified
What?
dan friesen
The fears that we had about the Soviet Union back then.
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
jordan holmes
Well, I mean, who knows?
It was all imaginary.
dan friesen
So we still have not gotten to what I would call...
jordan holmes
I mean, you consider how many close calls we had with nuclear warfare destroying the Earth, though, and it's like, some of those fears are really good, but those fears should have been more towards, okay, wait, so we're giving nuclear weapons to a bunch of idiots?
And we're a bunch of idiots?
dan friesen
And they're giving nuclear weapons to a bunch of idiots.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Oh boy!
That leads to a lot of close calls.
jordan holmes
Yeah, we had, there have been what, like five documented and declassified instances of like one dude coming down to...
dan friesen
I believe so.
jordan holmes
Should I press the button or not?
dan friesen
I'm aware of like at least a couple, but I would assume that it's more than I'm aware of.
jordan holmes
Well, the most famous one was the guy who just died in May, was it?
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Something like that?
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
The Russian guy who, against all orders from his superiors, was like, it's probably a training exercise.
dan friesen
Saved the world.
jordan holmes
Yeah, saved the world!
By himself!
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
And he was then put into Siberia and never allowed to speak of it.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Well.
jordan holmes
Great.
dan friesen
That's what happens.
jordan holmes
Good work, guys!
dan friesen
So, we've not gotten to today's theme yet.
jordan holmes
Okay, we got a theme.
dan friesen
We have the whole episode on this January 17th.
jordan holmes
Is about how football sucks.
dan friesen
No.
unidentified
Okay.
dan friesen
That's just how he started.
jordan holmes
It's about how the Red Sox suck.
dan friesen
No.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
Although he did lose a lot of money.
He was betting against the spread.
Stupid.
unidentified
Bad idea.
jordan holmes
Bad idea.
dan friesen
No.
jordan holmes
Don't bet baseball.
Don't bet basketball.
dan friesen
He has a very bizarre theme, and it's going to lead us through most of the rest of this episode.
And boy, just strap it in.
jordan holmes
Oh boy, howdy.
alex jones
And I'm going to talk some about that in the second hour today.
Is the Mark of the Beast real?
jordan holmes
Yes.
100%.
alex jones
And the answer is yes, it is real.
unidentified
You win!
jordan holmes
Called it!
I knew it!
alex jones
And the answer is, we're going to end up living under it, and no one is going to be raptured out of it.
jordan holmes
Where does it say that in the Bible?
alex jones
Now, when I say that, many of my Christian listeners and viewers get extremely angry and say that I'm basically bad, they're going to stop listening to me.
That means you're in a cult.
unidentified
Yep.
alex jones
If someone disagrees with you about something in the Bible and it's not the deity of Jesus Christ or the Trinity, then you've got a problem to become a Pharisee.
dan friesen
Whoa.
alex jones
And the reason we have tens of thousands of different denominations in this world is because everyone's infighting with each other claiming they know the way and they have the answers.
If you want to believe in a rapture...
That is your business, and I'm not judging you for it.
jordan holmes
Actually, I am the way and the truth and the life.
alex jones
And I don't think you're of the devil.
unidentified
Cool.
alex jones
You have been grievously deceived.
jordan holmes
By the devil.
alex jones
And I could go to the Bible and show people this all day long.
And I'm going to talk about it the next hour.
dan friesen
Very excited for you to talk about that in the next hour.
jordan holmes
Does he not get the irony of him saying...
dan friesen
May I introduce you to my friend's pedal?
jordan holmes
It's insane!
If somebody disagrees with you...
dan friesen
About anything but the Trinity, you've got a problem.
Which implies that if you have a disagreement about the Trinity or Jesus' divinity, then that's not a problem.
unidentified
Also...
jordan holmes
No such thing as the Trinity.
At no point in the Bible do they ever talk about the Holy Spirit being a top three.
dan friesen
Ah, ghost is in there.
jordan holmes
It's ridiculous.
unidentified
Come on.
jordan holmes
Ah, come on.
dan friesen
I am a tripartite deity.
jordan holmes
The Holy Ghost.
dan friesen
I don't know.
I don't want to unpack that.
jordan holmes
Also, even Jesus is God.
It's all stupid.
dan friesen
I'm kidding.
jordan holmes
I don't know if you guys have heard this from me.
I don't think the Bible's true.
dan friesen
Interesting.
jordan holmes
I think they might have been lying.
dan friesen
I think you and Alex might have a problem.
jordan holmes
I think they...
Well, we don't disagree on the Holy Trinity.
dan friesen
One of the things that I like the most about the Bible is if you look at a number of verses, especially...
I kind of discount most of the Old Testament because it's old.
unidentified
Magic.
dan friesen
And Jesus' arrival and sacrifice invalidates the Old Covenant.
unidentified
Pretty much.
dan friesen
And creates a new covenant.
jordan holmes
And yet somehow we're still listening to people tell us about the Old Testament.
Right.
dan friesen
With all due respect to...
The Jewish folk who do have a lot of the Old Testament in their holy books.
I guess Christians do too, but it should just be historical and not because of Jesus.
jordan holmes
Nope, literal.
dan friesen
Because of Jesus.
jordan holmes
Literal.
dan friesen
Because of Jesus.
jordan holmes
Nope.
dan friesen
So the things that I really resonate with in terms of the Bible, if we want to talk about it, it is Jesus being divine.
That sort of idea.
And there are many instances where he says things to the effect of, you will do what I do and greater.
That I'm not different than you.
That sort of thing.
And if you look at it that way, the idea that Jesus is God, that sort of divinity within him is the divinity that's within all of us.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
And I can vibe on that.
If you want to vibe, I can vibe on that.
jordan holmes
You can't, though.
Because Christians do not believe that.
unidentified
No.
dan friesen
Too busy talking about the wrath of the Old Testament.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
dan friesen
But Alex, I'm very interested in this episode.
He is fucking bent out of shape about the rapture.
jordan holmes
Because it's not...
Alright, continue.
dan friesen
He's furious.
And I think what has happened...
jordan holmes
In the pro or the con, he thinks the rapture is real, right?
dan friesen
No.
jordan holmes
Oh, he thinks the rapture is not real.
dan friesen
He's against the pre-tribulation rapture.
So...
jordan holmes
Alright, alright.
dan friesen
Jordan.
jordan holmes
Let's get into this.
unidentified
Jordan.
jordan holmes
I want to dive in here.
dan friesen
I don't know if you've been paying attention, but throughout the last, like, maybe 10, 12 episodes, there's been a guy who keeps calling in.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
There's a guy who keeps calling into Alex's show and trying to explain the pre-tribulation rapture to him.
jordan holmes
It was one of the writers of Left Behind, right?
dan friesen
And Alex keeps telling him, like, I don't want to have this debate.
Like, how do you keep getting through the calls?
So he keeps getting through the screeners, and Alex hears his voice and is like, I don't want to talk to you.
That's fantastic.
So that's been sort of a narrative arc that's been going on.
And I think this guy has finally gotten to Alex.
Because he, on this show, spends almost the entire time talking about how stupid...
Pre-trib rapture is.
jordan holmes
I agree.
dan friesen
Sure.
Sign me up for that as well.
jordan holmes
Divinity with all of us and pre-tribulation rapture is dumb.
dan friesen
So Alex believes there's a post-tribulation rapture.
And that's because...
jordan holmes
That's somehow even dumber.
dan friesen
Well, it's because in the Bible, or at least in Alex's interpretation of Revelation, and I guess Daniel and maybe Ezekiel, some of the prophetic books of the Bible, he believes that they're...
jordan holmes
Which we're all right.
I nailed it, as we all know.
dan friesen
The Antichrist comes.
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
And leads us to a real bad time.
jordan holmes
Yeah, he's a bummer.
dan friesen
A real bad time.
jordan holmes
He's a bummer.
dan friesen
Right, almost as bad as Trump.
jordan holmes
Dude, he's the worst.
dan friesen
So we go through that.
A lot of the world dies out.
jordan holmes
Turns out he's a dragon.
unidentified
Uh-huh.
dan friesen
And then God comes back in...
The Battle of Armageddon.
Jesus comes back, and that's when the battle happens, and then there's a rapture.
jordan holmes
Much like the Red Sox in 2003.
dan friesen
Exactly.
Alex is going to lose a lot of money on the Armageddon.
jordan holmes
Ooh, I'm betting on Satan on this one.
dan friesen
You've got to hedge your bets.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
That's probably a sin.
alex jones
What are you getting?
jordan holmes
Minus 300 on Satan?
alex jones
What are you getting there?
dan friesen
That's a good spread.
jordan holmes
That's not bad.
dan friesen
Yeah, you've got Jesus and the field.
I'll take the field.
I'm not going to take the field.
I'm not going to gamble on Armageddon.
But be that as it may, that's Alex's conception.
And he's furious that I think a lot of his listeners are trying to convince him of the pre-tribulation rapture.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Where in the Antichrist comes the faithful go to heaven and they get to sit out this whole trouble.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
The troubles, as it were.
And he is mad.
unidentified
Because Alex believes that that is a globalist conspiracy.
Yes.
dan friesen
I wish I wasn't joking.
I wish I was joking.
I wish that was just like a good bit I came up with.
unidentified
It's not.
dan friesen
He believes.
I think he spells it out in this next clip.
I'll just play this and then we can discuss it on the other end.
alex jones
God would protect his people many times at a point and Providence was clear.
But you have to go through the fire first.
You have to be willing to be put to the sword until God acts.
And in many cases, like the Christians in the Colosseum, God doesn't take action.
Because it's part of the plan that they be martyrs to spread the faith.
But how do you get a billion Christians To lay down and to not be involved and let the devil take over the world.
How do you do that?
Well, you tell them they're not going to have to face judgment.
They're not going to have to face crises and evil on this planet, that they should just lay down to everything.
And you teach them Romans 13 out of context.
dan friesen
So, Alex believes that this interpretation of...
The pre-tribulation rapture is something that is being taught in the Glitterbug churches and what have you as a way of taking away the activism and power of the billion Christians that could be fighting the devil.
It's the devil, and he does imply that it's the globalists who are doing this.
A caller calls in and says that all of the world's religions, like Islam, Buddhism, Christianity, they all met in Seoul, Korea.
jordan holmes
They all met in Seoul, Korea?
dan friesen
They did.
They got to Seoul, South Korea, and they had a conversation where they decided to, eh, let's have a one-world religion.
All these religions came together and decided that.
And the true comedy of it is this caller is listing off the religions.
He's like, Christianity, Islam, Buddhism.
And then Alex Jones chimes in, Shintoism!
jordan holmes
No, they left Shintoism out of that one.
They were like, nah, nah, nah.
You guys keep going and worshiping the trees or whatever.
Get the fuck out of here.
Shintoism.
Come on!
dan friesen
It's a very, very small population, but I love the idea.
jordan holmes
You guys barely sacrifice anything.
dan friesen
I love the idea that Alex, he's like, gotta throw in something to make myself sound smart.
Shinto!
So yeah, man, it's a conspiracy.
jordan holmes
That's fantastic.
dan friesen
And all they have to do.
jordan holmes
I love how Christians seem to have never read the Gospels.
dan friesen
The Synoptic Gospels?
Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John?
jordan holmes
Yeah, just the four, where Jesus is like, hey, let's not fight, assholes.
Turn the other cheek.
unidentified
How do you get a billion Christians to just lay down?
jordan holmes
You have them read the Bible?
dan friesen
So Romans 13, if you go back and just a refresher course, it's really actually pretty fucked up, because it is very clearly saying, hey...
You should submit to your rulers because they're representatives of God.
jordan holmes
It's one of the reasons, it's one of the justifications that they've used for slavery over many, many years.
dan friesen
Absolutely.
jordan holmes
Especially in the United States.
dan friesen
For the one in authority is God's servant for your good.
If you do wrong, be afraid, for rulers do not bear the sword for no reason.
They are God's servants, agents of wrath to bring punishment on the wrongdoer.
Therefore, it's necessary to submit to authorities, not because of possible punishment, but also as a matter of conscience.
The next paragraph deals with give everyone what you owe them.
If you owe taxes, pay taxes.
If revenue, then revenue.
If respect, then respect.
If honor, then honor.
jordan holmes
It's almost as though it was written by somebody with like a...
You know, vested interest in maintaining power.
Seems crazy to think of that in the Bible.
dan friesen
So then it gets into, in the next paragraph, you get into all the commandments can be summed up in the one command.
Love thy neighbor is yourself.
Love does no harm to a neighbor.
Therefore, love is the fulfillment of the law.
Great.
You know, that encourages societal unity.
jordan holmes
All right.
dan friesen
And then the last part about it, the last paragraph, starting at verse 11. And do this, understanding the present time.
The hour has already come for you to wake up from your slumber, because our salvation is nearer now than when we first believed.
Which is a truism.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
If there is an end eventually, then right now, it's sooner than it was earlier.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
So there's that.
That's great.
Nailed it.
It seems almost counterintuitive that it was like the night is almost over and the day is almost here, which is like...
jordan holmes
No, I think that means I should go fuck as much as I want, because the night's about done, and I gotta go to work tomorrow.
dan friesen
The sun's coming.
jordan holmes
Yeah, so fucking let's go.
dan friesen
There's something to that.
But then the only rebuttal I would say is maybe, like, if you need practice being good, you know?
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
It's not gonna come easy the first time.
jordan holmes
Right, like the Red Sox.
dan friesen
Because we love debauchery.
So, like, we gotta practice being decent or something.
Anyway.
I don't understand exactly how that passage is weaponized outside of literally interpreting it as submit to authorities.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
Which is there.
I mean, it's in your holy book, so.
jordan holmes
Quite a bit.
dan friesen
Deal with it.
jordan holmes
A lot.
dan friesen
Deal with it.
That's not a misrepresentation of what that means.
unidentified
Nope.
jordan holmes
It's actually literally what it says.
dan friesen
So also, I mean, it's not a conspiracy.
It's not a globalist conspiracy.
jordan holmes
Don't think so.
dan friesen
So, is the Mark of the Beast real, Jordan?
It might be your headphones.
unidentified
Ah.
dan friesen
Is your headphones off?
jordan holmes
Oh, yeah.
unidentified
There we go.
dan friesen
Okay.
At this point, do you believe the Mark of the Beast is real?
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
Okay.
alex jones
What do you think about this whole rapture situation?
Is the Mark of the Beast real?
Because, obviously, it's here.
dan friesen
Oh, okay.
unidentified
You answered the question.
alex jones
I'm going to break down the type of world we're going to live in under this Antichrist system.
Everything controlled.
Everything distorted.
A false reality forced into our consciousness to deceive even the elect.
That is the modern Antichrist system.
And I tell you, if I was ever a Doubting Thomas in my life, which I never was, but you still academically doubt, boy, I tell you, it is bone-chilling how real all this is and how Scripture is being fulfilled.
jordan holmes
Very.
dan friesen
It's not.
jordan holmes
Very bone-chilling.
dan friesen
So, you know...
Alex is on this tip.
He's worked up about the revelation and biblical prophecy coming true.
Beyond that, later, he does sort of spell out what the world is going to look like.
And, of course, it's just the globalist.
It's a bummer.
It's a globalist fantasy.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it's a bummer.
dan friesen
And then, beyond that, the other thing is, he reveals that, like, I studied this and I've seen it in dreams.
Great, great.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
That's not great.
jordan holmes
That's what I like to hear.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
That's the way it's supposed to go.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So, after this point, Alex is on to some other shit.
jordan holmes
All right.
dan friesen
And now we've got to talk about chimeras.
jordan holmes
Thank you.
alex jones
And again, if you're an atheist, my point is look at the dehumanization.
Look at the genetic engineering.
Look at the elites saying they're going to merge with machines and become gods.
Look at humans being grown inside cows and sheep to harvest their organs.
dan friesen
Look at them.
alex jones
Can I look at them?
This is the real world.
And it goes on and on and on.
But if it's admitted in just an MIT magazine, nobody cares.
I just thought of something.
I have a responsibility to go to these facilities.
jordan holmes
Yes.
alex jones
And to get answers and to just show people.
It's just like Planned Parenthood infiltration.
They're now suing that group that infiltrated.
Planned Parenthood, by every yardstick, is committing crimes selling the body parts.
They lied to the public and said they weren't.
They don't tell women they're selling the body parts.
dan friesen
Because they're not.
alex jones
Other abortion facilities have been caught keeping babies alive for harvesting.
dan friesen
No.
My dad's a physician, retired, and I remember going to get my driver's license when I was 15. We'll get back to the story in a second, but I do want to just take a second before we move on, because there's another minute of this clip.
I do want Alex to go save those chimeras.
jordan holmes
Yes, I agree.
dan friesen
That would be the best true TV show ever.
jordan holmes
Bring a camera.
dan friesen
Absolutely.
Make another season of Jesse Ventura's Conspiracy Theory.
jordan holmes
No, chimera hunters.
Instead of ghost hunters, chimera hunters.
dan friesen
I'd love it.
jordan holmes
Way in.
dan friesen
Go to Bastrop.
jordan holmes
Oh, I'd watch that all day.
dan friesen
All right, so now back to Alex Jones' dad being a fucking weirdo.
jordan holmes
Okay.
alex jones
My hardship license is I had a job at a small animal vet.
I got my license a year early.
And he said, son, don't sign that organ donor card.
dan friesen
I would say, dad, stop trying to scare me.
jordan holmes
I would say, why would you say that?
dan friesen
Here's why.
alex jones
And my dad was the type of guy that said, you know, HIV is a bioweapon.
It only really affects Africans.
It's very hard for a white person to get it.
The team will be killed by heavy metals and bad processed drugs.
Only drug addicts that are Caucasian can get it with rundown immune systems.
It's a bioweapon, race specific.
And then later that all came out.
That's how smart my dad is.
dan friesen
It came out with John Rappaport.
jordan holmes
Wait, wait, wait.
dan friesen
This is pretty well debunked.
jordan holmes
No, this is when we talked about this.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
And he's saying that this is...
Oh, boy.
dan friesen
This is from his dentist father.
jordan holmes
Yeah, no wonder he's fucked up.
His dad told him that HIV has only affected black people.
dan friesen
Yeah, there's race-specific bioweapons.
jordan holmes
Oh, boy.
dan friesen
And, hey, guess what?
The reason that drug users get it more is because of the way people use drugs.
jordan holmes
Oh, is it?
dan friesen
Yes.
jordan holmes
Could it have something to do with that?
unidentified
Yes.
jordan holmes
Could it have something to do with sharing needles?
dan friesen
Yes.
jordan holmes
Oh, man.
dan friesen
All the explanations that he's trying to come up with are so much more complicated than the reality.
jordan holmes
It's a blood-borne disease, and if you share blood with somebody, you're gonna get the disease.
dan friesen
You can.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
But be that as it may.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I mean, obviously.
dan friesen
Be that as it may, that's crazy.
unidentified
Yes.
dan friesen
That's crazy.
jordan holmes
Yes, that is crazy.
dan friesen
And that being the response to Alex's like, hey, why shouldn't I sign my organ donor card, is even wilder.
jordan holmes
I think that makes perfect sense.
dan friesen
Yeah, it's like, uh, hold on.
jordan holmes
What if we look at all of this as just...
Alex Jones's dad.
Was fucking with his son.
dan friesen
I don't think he was fucking with him, but I think he's nuts.
jordan holmes
You think he's nuts?
dan friesen
Uh-huh.
unidentified
But where does he get that great toothpaste from?
Uh...
dan friesen
He makes it?
That's where he gets it from.
jordan holmes
Oh, okay.
dan friesen
So this clip's not done.
alex jones
Quote conspiracy theorists, because nobody in the house thought that, you know.
It was just he knew what he was talking about.
dan friesen
Sure.
alex jones
And, you know, he did the dental work.
I'm a deputy director of the CIA and stuff like that.
So, you know, people listen to him.
jordan holmes
Did they?
dan friesen
That's Alex Jones's, he's a CIA dentist narrative.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
He did dental work on this one guy.
jordan holmes
Yeah, he did dental work for the deputy director.
dan friesen
Great.
alex jones
But I just took it like, it was just dad sitting there at the dinner table talking.
But when he said, don't do that, a lot of times they won't give you treatment and they'll actually kill you at the hospital for your organs.
And I said, what is your proof?
And he said, I'm just, I'm not going to tell you.
dan friesen
So now we know where Alex gets that.
jordan holmes
So we figured out where Alex disbelieves proof.
dan friesen
My dad didn't think it was important to prove the claims that he's making that are wild.
I guess I could do that too.
Good to see a clear A to A path there.
jordan holmes
Dad, you just gave me a job.
dan friesen
So, I mean, people who have...
Much greater understandings of science can debunk all this for you if you want to go look into it.
Just don't go to John Rappaport's site.
jordan holmes
Yeah, definitely don't do that.
dan friesen
That'll lead you down the wrong path.
unidentified
Or really, just think for two seconds.
dan friesen
That helps.
jordan holmes
And then you'd be like, no, that's dumb.
dan friesen
Also, this chimera shit is wild.
Because it has just happened.
Like, the article just came out at the MIT.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right.
dan friesen
The human chimeras are...
Gestating on animal farms and what have you.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
Which we've gone over and discussed and it doesn't say what Alex is saying.
jordan holmes
Of course not.
dan friesen
Sensational headline to get attention and what have you.
Now he's going to ramble about it for a little bit here and it goes to some crazy places.
jordan holmes
Excellent.
alex jones
It's just something like this.
Human animal chimeras.
Are gestating on research farms.
And I've got hundreds of articles here.
I could spend all day on these.
It's not like I keep going back to this four or five times this last week because I don't have material.
dan friesen
Is it?
alex jones
This is a big whitewash article where it calls it tissue.
No, they're growing embryonic babies that they create embryos in test tubes and then they implant them in.
The cows and in the sheep and in the pigs because they can't get women to do it.
And Lord knows they've done it with women, too.
jordan holmes
That's the word.
That makes sense, too.
alex jones
But they want them in cows because they can grow them up bigger and get larger organs.
dan friesen
So now let's pause right there and discuss the science of this.
unidentified
I think Alex thinks...
jordan holmes
He thinks that the only reason our organs aren't bigger is because we don't have enough room.
dan friesen
Yes, we're like goldfish.
Okay.
jordan holmes
All right.
I can't do that.
I can't deal with that.
They want to put human organs into cows because cows have more space.
dan friesen
To make bigger organs.
jordan holmes
Hold them up bigger.
dan friesen
If your liver is failing, you want a huge fucking liver.
jordan holmes
You want a huge liver.
Maybe that was a design fall with God's plan in the first place.
If he knew we were going to drink so much, he would have given us bigger livers.
dan friesen
It's in Ezekiel.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Now that's your pre-trip rapture right there.
dan friesen
So, I mean, I think that there's some comedy and some value in that being said right after the HIV is a race-specific bio weapon.
They want to use these human animal chimeras in cow bellies because there's more room to make bigger organs.
unidentified
Bigger.
jordan holmes
That begs the question, though.
Why wouldn't you go with elephants?
dan friesen
Exactly.
jordan holmes
Doesn't that make more sense, Alex?
dan friesen
Why don't you go with a sperm whale?
jordan holmes
Yeah, exactly.
Oh, man.
And they're still mammals.
We could get a shit ton of organs out of them.
dan friesen
You could get a liver the size of your fucking whole body.
jordan holmes
And that is how you drink.
dan friesen
Exactly.
jordan holmes
I love how he does that.
He obviously reveals why he's doing something by saying he's not doing it.
Listen.
And I'm not bragging.
Okay, you're bragging.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
I'm not doing this just because I don't have any material.
Okay, you don't have any material.
dan friesen
That's why you just keep saying the exact same thing over and over again.
I have 100 articles, but I only talk about this one ever.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Yeah.
What a dick.
alex jones
30 years ago.
20 years ago, I was reporting on this out of white papers, and it was 10 years old then.
That's when they admitted it.
I know I keep belaboring, but this is the point I'm getting out of the story I've told probably 50 times.
About 14 years ago, I went in to pick up a pizza at a pizza place, and this guy goes, I used to be a listener of you until you lied and said there's sheep and goats that are part spider and that they create body armor in their milk.
I said, okay, we'll believe whatever you want, sir.
And he poked me in my back.
I said, no, you're a liar.
unidentified
Okay.
alex jones
And I turned around and I said, so you went to college, didn't you?
I was like, yeah, I did.
jordan holmes
Which is why I know that.
alex jones
I went to UT in the 70s.
And I took biology.
They don't have stuff like that.
And I just said, you better get out of my face.
jordan holmes
Yes, that's a good idea.
alex jones
And that's what I deal with, folks.
I'm covering stuff that's...
The spider goats are at least 25 years old.
They've been in tens of thousands of publications.
They've been in hundreds of publications at that time.
I have the CEO on my show running a Department of Defense program with the goats.
dan friesen
Now, first of all, spider goats are real.
But also, I do love just the way he says that sentence.
I had the CEO who's running a department with the goats.
It just makes me think of the goats at computers.
The goats are the employees running the Department of Defense or whatever.
jordan holmes
And that's where Scott Adams got his ideas from.
It's Goatbert.
dan friesen
Oh, Goatbert.
unidentified
Goatbert.
dan friesen
One of the best characters.
jordan holmes
How do the spider leadership feel about the spider goats is another question that I have.
dan friesen
I think it's just another population for their infantry.
jordan holmes
Is it a joint venture between the goat leadership and the spider leadership to kind of crossbreed?
dan friesen
I have bad news for you.
The goat leadership is non-existent.
jordan holmes
Disarray.
dan friesen
Yeah.
They are like just hordes back in the day.
Like disinterested tribal units.
unidentified
Right, right, right.
jordan holmes
I got you.
dan friesen
They can't get together.
The goats are...
jordan holmes
Yeah, but if they get a goat guscon together...
unidentified
All right.
jordan holmes
All right.
I'm going to get out of here.
I think I did all I got to do.
I think I solved my life problem.
dan friesen
Anyway.
alex jones
The month before, that guy said I was a liar.
But see, that's what I can't deal with.
The Emergency Centers Establishment Act, the Civilian Inmate Labor Camp Program, all of this is admitted.
FEMA camps are admitted.
It's all admitted in the Army Times.
They're preparing them for political dissenters.
jordan holmes
The Army Times.
alex jones
But they just sit up there and say crazy people think this is all happening, folks.
jordan holmes
Like you.
dan friesen
Well, if you would like to recall that episode where we did the...
The speed, the lightning round.
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
And discussed all of those FEMA fears.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Alex is just making stuff up.
jordan holmes
Very much so.
dan friesen
Except for the civilian labor camp thing.
jordan holmes
No, that one we did talk about.
That one's scary.
dan friesen
Yeah, that one's possibly true.
jordan holmes
Not good.
dan friesen
But again, when we deal with stuff like that, you have to deal with the fact that we have a private prison industry in our country that is enslaving people.
Right.
So, like, if you...
If you want to talk about both, I support it.
If you want to talk about one, not the other, talk about the private prisons.
Yeah.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
Seems more a big deal now.
jordan holmes
But wait, Dan.
Privatizing things always makes it better.
dan friesen
Absolutely.
Oversight.
jordan holmes
Terrible.
No regulations.
dan friesen
Jordan.
jordan holmes
What they should do is give those civilian inmates guns.
dan friesen
Totally.
jordan holmes
That way, they'd really get the job done.
dan friesen
Well, see, there's bad civilian inmates, but you've got to have good civilian inmates with the guns.
jordan holmes
Oh, of course.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
I don't know what we're talking about anymore.
jordan holmes
Me neither.
dan friesen
So, Jordan, we're going to get back to the devil in a little bit.
There's some more thoughts.
jordan holmes
Rest in peace, Malcolm Young.
dan friesen
There's some more thoughts about the devil and about the rapture.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
But this next clip, this is a Mike Down clip.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
Alex Jones, like, this next clip is basically, like, I have been looking for this clip for a year.
jordan holmes
So you've fallen in love?
dan friesen
No.
jordan holmes
You found the woman that you want to marry?
dan friesen
No, no.
I have needed something like this to come out of Alex's mouth.
And he delivered.
This clip is so fucking damning.
unidentified
Okay.
dan friesen
In hindsight, knowing what we know now.
About the Russian influence campaigns that were running from the summer of 2015.
And now we are in January of 2016, six months later.
Listen to this.
alex jones
And retail sales and everything else are in the toilet.
And Obama gets up on TV and says everything's fine, everything's wonderful.
Everything's not fine, everything's not wonderful.
Ladies and gentlemen, I've been on air 21 years.
And always in the past, when audience level went up...
Profits went up to fund the operation.
Our audience has basically doubled the last six months.
Fastest growth rate ever.
We got so many listeners, it makes my head spin, and profits are flat to be able to even fund the operation.
That's why we know this is serious.
I'm going to cover it more in the next hour.
It's not doom and gloom, it's facts.
We're going to get into the latest numbers.
Royal Bank of Scotland saying, sell everything.
But please, purchase high-quality products at Infowarsstore.com to help fund this operation during these dark times.
Our voice is needed more than ever.
dan friesen
Oh, shit.
Oh, shit.
jordan holmes
You fucking idiot.
dan friesen
First of all, nice ad pivot.
I always enjoyed that.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that was a good one.
That was a good one.
dan friesen
But, dude.
jordan holmes
He just revealed that our audience numbers have gone up so high.
dan friesen
They've doubled.
jordan holmes
But nobody has bought anything.
I guess that must mean the economy's bad.
dan friesen
That must mean that Obama is lying about all these statistics that people are putting out about the rising economy.
jordan holmes
It's definitely not that bots are listening to the show now.
dan friesen
And there's not...
Well, I mean, not even listening.
They're just getting artificial inflation of traffic numbers.
jordan holmes
Of course.
dan friesen
There's not a chance, in my mind, that on some subconscious level, by now, in 2017, Alex knows...
Goddamn well, that's what happened.
unidentified
Really?
dan friesen
He has to.
jordan holmes
It kind of sounds like he doesn't.
dan friesen
I think that's why he's fighting so hard now, trying to make the Russian stuff seem like nonsense.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
Because he knows, I have been compromised.
jordan holmes
I've been hoodwinked.
dan friesen
Right.
And that clip right there is evidence that in the beginning of 2016, he didn't know.
But it's obvious.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
It's like...
I don't know how to come up with a good analogy about this, but it's like Alex talking to his hypothetical friend who got tricked by the Nigerian scam.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
Or whatever.
And the guy's like, I'm going to make a lot of money.
I just got to go meet this Nigerian prince.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
And Alex is hearing him.
He's like, there's nothing there.
Alex is talking and saying, like, we have gotten twice the listeners in the last six months as we had before, but no one's buying anything.
We can hear that, and we're like, oh, dude.
Oh, we literally know exactly what happened.
And that, to me, I mean, that's game over.
jordan holmes
That's pretty much...
dan friesen
That's game over on his, first of all, his audience size.
And then secondarily...
That he was not being specifically targeted by these Russian troll farms and bot farms.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
So congratulations, Alex.
You've been compromised by Russia in so many ways.
And you've revealed it all on your own show.
And all we had to do to figure it out was pay attention to your dumb ass.
jordan holmes
Wow.
dan friesen
Congratulations.
unidentified
That is so fucking obvious now.
dan friesen
Let's get BuzzFeed to report on this, baby!
jordan holmes
And he had no fucking clue.
What an idiot.
dan friesen
If we saw a doubling of our numbers, that's actually kind of reasonable, considering how low our numbers are.
jordan holmes
Even then, if we saw that, we'd be like, what the fuck is going on here?
dan friesen
Something weird's happening here.
jordan holmes
There's a certain part of us that is...
hoodwink him like that because he expects that to happen.
dan friesen
He's so narcissistic and we hate ourselves.
jordan holmes
He's like, oh, of course my listeners double because I'm right.
dan friesen
And it's just robots.
jordan holmes
Wow.
What a fucking idiot.
dan friesen
I love it.
When I heard that clip, I was like...
jordan holmes
Nailed it.
dan friesen
Because every other time, it's been very nonspecific, and he's just said that the numbers have gone up in that time.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
But the fact that he's...
The numbers have gone up.
Sales are flat.
jordan holmes
Exponentially, the numbers have gone up.
Sales have stayed exactly the same.
dan friesen
He's right.
He's right to see those two numbers and think something's up.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
He just thinks the wrong thing is up.
jordan holmes
And now we know he knows it.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Now we know he knows exactly what happened.
dan friesen
He has to.
jordan holmes
He has to.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
And he hasn't revealed that.
dan friesen
I don't think so, no.
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
It's interesting.
jordan holmes
How do you think his listeners would respond if they knew exactly what was going on there?
dan friesen
I don't think they would care.
jordan holmes
If you're an Alex Jones listener and you just learn.
dan friesen
A hostile foreign power.
jordan holmes
Yeah, has artificially inflated the influence of an Alex Jones or of these different right-wing things.
Exactly how would you take that?
Would you take it as the Russians are right to do that?
dan friesen
Yes.
Because Alex has the built-in narrative that Russia are the good guys and what have you, they would probably look at it as like, they were just desperately trying to help the patriots, and that's the way they thought it was best to do it.
Raise the profile of the one guy telling the truth in this country, and they could save us through working with Russia and getting Donald Trump elected.
That's probably what they would say.
And the fact that Alex, at this point, in the beginning of 2016, is clearly...
Because I don't think...
I can kind of tell when he's...
He's such a bad liar.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
There's indications that kind of shine through, and that seems sincere.
jordan holmes
No, that seemed very sincere.
dan friesen
He seems confused.
jordan holmes
He's like, wait, why are all these people listening and not also buying stuff?
dan friesen
Right, and that might actually be why...
We start to see such a hard, desperate pivot towards sales.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
You start to see him really ramp up the commercials and stuff like that.
jordan holmes
Because he thinks more people are listening, so I just gotta sell harder to get more money out of them.
dan friesen
Yep, there's this untapped area of our listeners.
If I could just get them, then we'd be fucking rolling in it.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Not realizing those people are not buying anything from you.
jordan holmes
I've said this before, but you really have to give it up to the Russians because that was a brilliant strategy.
dan friesen
I would like to say that you don't have to give it up to them.
jordan holmes
No, I mean, you don't have to give it up to them.
One of the main reasons that it worked so effectively is because nobody saw it coming.
Nobody saw this massive flaw in our media landscape.
I think a lot of people did.
dan friesen
I think some people did.
jordan holmes
Yeah, but did we do it?
dan friesen
No.
jordan holmes
Has America done it?
I think this is one thing where America doesn't have the same kind of troll farms.
dan friesen
No, I don't know.
I have no idea.
But what I would say is, I don't think even they necessarily thought it would work.
jordan holmes
No, I don't think so.
I think it was a very, very good strategy.
If you're fighting a war on a battlefield that you can't win on, choose a different battlefield.
Like, that's all that they did.
They know they can't do any number of propaganda things the same way that we can.
They know they can't fight us physically.
They know they can't do any of this.
So they just chose the one spot where they were like, here's a flaw in this system.
dan friesen
We can dance on this court.
jordan holmes
And we're going to hammer it as hard as we can.
dan friesen
And it was brilliant.
For the most part.
It worked.
And Alex is a useful idiot.
Congratulations, Alex.
jordan holmes
Nicely done.
dan friesen
Now let's get back to the devil.
jordan holmes
Yay!
alex jones
But here's the bottom line.
There is an attack on humanity.
unidentified
Stone cold said so.
alex jones
And whether the devil's real or not, I want to end debate.
The political global system of eugenics comes to kill, steal, and destroy and behaves like the mythical devil.
The archetype is real.
Joseph Campbell, the whole nine yards, for me there's no debate.
dan friesen
He's just naming things.
alex jones
I know there's a spiritual force.
I've experienced providence.
I've experienced many things that are private.
I can tell you it's real.
I've interviewed many people I respect, like Colonel Craig Roberts, who died for 10 minutes on the operating table, came back.
dan friesen
No, he didn't.
alex jones
There are third world cultures that don't even have a Christian pantheon or cosmology.
We've also been checked out by government psychiatrists and others who became Christian, and they have found that the Christ phenomenon, the Golden Gates, McDonald's?
All of it.
The portal, the judgment, all of it is real.
dan friesen
What?
alex jones
People say, well, that's an oxymoron.
You said the dead in Christ are raised after they die.
Interdimensionally, it doesn't matter.
They're already in the future at that point.
See, it's more sophisticated once you understand quantum mechanics.
unidentified
What?
dan friesen
Hold on.
alex jones
You think 1,000 years, 500 years, 20 years, till the post-tribulation rapture?
jordan holmes
Not the pre.
alex jones
And then people are having the death experience now.
They're going in dimensionally to the future.
If you study the mathematics, it's incredible.
And by the way, no one's ever postulated that.
I just understand it.
And people can say, oh, that's crazy.
No, no, no.
Once you figure all this out, the sacred geometry, people are like, that's of the devil.
No, it's not.
The Bible says the proof of God's design, the proof that God's real, is look in the heavens.
Look at God's creation.
Look at what we can do, what we believe, what we think about, we can then later build.
jordan holmes
What?
alex jones
That's creator-level stuff.
We're made in the image of God, little g.
Think about how incredible that is.
jordan holmes
It's very incredible.
alex jones
And then think about the evidence in matter, but also living and non-living.
Again, how we experience what our ancestors experienced through instincts, through crystallized, compacted memories, race memory.
dan friesen
It's not the same thing.
alex jones
Then we live on through our children genetically as well.
And then what we build, what we teach, what we write, what we do lives on.
There's life shooting out at every angle.
By the way...
jordan holmes
That's very obtuse.
alex jones
By the way, InfoWars is doing well.
jordan holmes
God damn it!
alex jones
We're not in financial trouble like so much of other talk radio and other media, period.
Media, period, is oversaturated.
It's collapsing.
It's in trouble.
It's stuffed shirt.
It's scripted teleprompter reading.
It's dying.
jordan holmes
Fair point.
alex jones
We have been trying to expand in the face of the globalists because everything we do is so successful.
I have a responsibility, I realize.
I realized this about nine years ago, to really try to get as big as possible.
And we've been doing it.
It's having a huge effect.
jordan holmes
What were you trying to do before that?
alex jones
We're just victims of our own success because the satellites...
The fees, the regulations, the closed captioning, the 15 to 16 million people that tune in and watch our free stream every day is killing us.
And so I really want to be able to continue on.
I want to be able to expand.
But just to continue on, I need folks to go to Infowarsstore.com.
And I'm doing this because I told CJ, I said, make me plug twice an hour, not one anemic plug at the end of the hour.
I mean, it really has to be plugging every section, like others do.
Plus, these products really do sell themselves once you use them.
jordan holmes
I barely have to sell them.
dan friesen
I wanted to keep that part at the end there, because it is him drinking the Kool-Aid about these new listeners and what have you.
jordan holmes
Yeah, of course.
dan friesen
And wrestling with, like, why aren't we making $50 million?
What the fuck is going on?
But, man...
He is out there.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
He is out there.
jordan holmes
So, I've never heard...
dan friesen
Sacred geometry, my dude.
jordan holmes
I've never heard before that once you understand quantum mechanics, you'll realize that when people die for ten minutes...
dan friesen
They go to the future.
jordan holmes
They go to the future.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
They've also seen the Golden Gates and the judgment is real, but then they come back.
dan friesen
It's totally real.
jordan holmes
Is that how that works?
dan friesen
It's scientifically and mathematically proven.
jordan holmes
Scientifically and mathematically proven.
dan friesen
Proven that the post-death judgment that you go through is real.
It's kind of like that movie Defending Your Life featuring Albert Brooke.
jordan holmes
Or it's like the movie Flatliners.
dan friesen
No, Defending Your Life, it's a much better movie.
jordan holmes
Fair.
dan friesen
Yeah, that's wild.
jordan holmes
I'm talking about the original Flatliners, of course.
dan friesen
Oh, I only like the remake.
I am flabbergasted by that clip.
jordan holmes
I love it.
I fucking love it.
So anytime somebody like him says quantum mechanics, you can already tune out.
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
jordan holmes
Because you're like, you, nope, nope, you got nothing there.
dan friesen
I'm shocked you memorized the pronunciation.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
Don't even say the word quantum because you're just going to hurt yourself with it.
dan friesen
So now here's where it gets like fucking awesome for me is like, okay, he starts that clip by saying the debate about the devil is over.
jordan holmes
It's over.
dan friesen
It's over.
As far as I'm concerned, that debate is done.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Okay.
So then, all that stuff about, you know, Joseph Campbell, all these cultures.
jordan holmes
Joseph Campbell, and the whole Nine Yards.
unidentified
Right.
jordan holmes
Let's not forget his band name.
unidentified
The movie.
dan friesen
Not the whole Ten Yards.
Right, right, right.
And these cultures, they've shown that the judgment is real and all that.
And science has shown that when you die, your consciousness goes forward to the post-tribulation rapture.
Then he gets on to sacred geometry.
They say that's of the devil.
No, it's not!
jordan holmes
It's totally real.
You know it's real because when God said, what's the proof of seeing me?
He said, look around.
So sacred geometry is obviously real.
dan friesen
I only date girls who have tattoos of the Fibonacci spiral.
All right, Alex.
And then, of course, it comes back to ads.
It's just like, what is going on?
He's just losing it.
There's just this, like, I think that he's incredibly, like, at this point, he's so confused.
jordan holmes
What do you say to somebody saying stuff like that?
dan friesen
Well, I don't even mean about that.
That part is like, you shouldn't be saying this on air.
jordan holmes
You shouldn't be saying this, period.
dan friesen
No, I dig it.
I read up on stuff like that.
I read up on sacred geometry.
jordan holmes
On how quantum mechanics proves that when you die, your brain goes to the future and comes back?
dan friesen
I'm sure I've read blogs about it and stuff like that.
jordan holmes
Possible.
dan friesen
I enjoy reading pseudoscience and spiritualism and stuff like that.
I like reading that stuff.
I don't believe it necessarily, but I feel so weird about it.
That I would never tell you what I know.
unidentified
I would never sit here and be like, oh yeah, but...
dan friesen
And list off specifics.
Alex is doing that, but he also believes it.
He needs to be less specific.
In the same way that that Milgram experiment.
If he hadn't said Milgram or talked about the electric shocks or whatever, then he could be vague enough that I can't disprove that.
That I can disprove.
He's too specific here.
This is what crazy people believe.
Alex is a crazy person.
This isn't religion.
jordan holmes
Former Department of Defense psychiatrists, who have become Christians, have officially proven that the Golden Gates are real.
I did not know that.
dan friesen
Pachanek probably told him that.
jordan holmes
I did not know that.
dan friesen
Because he's a state psychiatrist.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
That's the only person I know of at that qualification.
jordan holmes
Is he a Christian?
dan friesen
Nah, maybe.
I don't know.
I always guess I assumed he's Jewish, but I don't know.
Just because of the name.
jordan holmes
Okay, so does he think that the hurricane he lived through happened because...
dan friesen
I think I might have thought he was Jewish because he lives in Florida.
There might be a bias on my part and I apologize for it.
unidentified
Could be.
I don't know.
dan friesen
I don't know anything about his life.
Except he lives in Florida and he's big on manners.
So let's get to this next clip.
In this one, Alex is talking about how the Chinese have decided that they're going to start a new program where they have...
jordan holmes
They're going to deport people to the Golden Gates.
dan friesen
No, no, not quite.
They have a Facebook kind of thing, but where you can leave reviews of people, and you'll get a social credit score.
This is an idea that they were throwing around.
I don't think they've implemented it, because it got roundly attacked by everybody.
jordan holmes
Right.
It turned into a great Black Mirror episode.
dan friesen
Basically, yeah.
alex jones
Within the next two years, we're going to implement it.
It's going to be law.
It started now, 2016, that every political statement you make, everything you buy, everything you do will be fed through our database, the equivalent of their NSA.
dan friesen
Impossible.
alex jones
And will be put into a social media score.
In fact, you can pull that up.
China announces new social credit score.
And then if you're not a good globalist, you can't buy or sell.
unidentified
If you're not a good globalist, you can't buy yourself.
dan friesen
The Mark of the Beast kind of thing.
But before he gets into talking about how everyone's going to do this and they're going to think it's cool, this is China.
They had a one-child policy for a really long time.
jordan holmes
And it worked perfectly, as everybody knows.
dan friesen
If you want to talk about oppressiveness, it's China.
This is not surprising, these ideas to be coming out of a pretty authoritarian state.
The rest of the world is not going to be into it, and turns out China wasn't.
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
Again, good episode of Black Mirror.
jordan holmes
Good episode.
alex jones
If you do, you get lower prices.
Now it's peer pressure.
Now if your friends aren't good communists, you don't get a good social score.
So now you shun them to ghettos.
There's BBC, China's social credit, Beijing sets up huge system.
And the BBC announces it like it's a good idea.
It's not total tyranny.
jordan holmes
It only upsets him because this might happen to white people.
What he's describing is the current credit system we have now, and it's only incredibly offensive to black people and minorities and the like.
Whereas this, he's like, this could even hurt white people!
Are you guys crazy?
dan friesen
There is a thread of that.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
That's exactly what's going on.
He's describing the system that we have now.
But it only hurts minorities.
dan friesen
Yeah, there's something to that.
Let's get to the end of this clip because it takes a twist that you're not going to expect.
jordan holmes
Okay.
alex jones
What's described in Revelations.
So is the Mark of the Beast real?
jordan holmes
Yes.
alex jones
Oh, it's been used as a blueprint whether or not the cosmology itself is true.
And I'm a Christian.
But I don't want to be associated with the establishment Pharisee state-run churches that are 501c3.
Now, even CNN got it right to their credit.
China's chilling plan to use social credit ratings to keep score on its citizens.
CNN's so weird, man.
They do so much bad, and then sometimes they tell the truth in amazing ways.
unidentified
Or...
alex jones
Well, I'll tell you why.
It's like RT will talk about the bad stuff America does, but not bad stuff Russia does.
CNN's run by the CIA.
jordan holmes
So now he also knows that.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
He is aware of that.
dan friesen
He knows that RT is run by the FSB.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Okay.
What an idiot!
I...
unidentified
I...
jordan holmes
Oh, boy.
alex jones
Oh, boy.
dan friesen
First of all, CNN is not run by the CIA.
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
But secondarily...
jordan holmes
And if it was run by the CIA, they should sell it.
They're not good at running it.
dan friesen
Yeah, or they'd do a much different job with the content that they put up.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
But be that as it may...
That indicates a clear awareness that Alex knows that RT is run by Russian government.
jordan holmes
And is a Russian state outlet for propaganda.
dan friesen
And he, as we covered in our last episode that we put out on the podcast feed...
jordan holmes
Loves RT.
dan friesen
...has been on a whole bunch of times saying very anti-American stuff.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
What does that say, Alex?
What does that say?
What does that say?
You dumbass.
What a dumb, dumb prick.
jordan holmes
He's like the avatar of cognitive dissonance.
Like, he's some sort of being come to us from the cognitive dissonance planet, and he's teaching us what true...
In the same way that Jon Hamm is an alien who's taught us what true handsomeness really is.
dan friesen
Uh-huh.
jordan holmes
So is Alex teaching us what true cognitive dissonance can do to a person.
dan friesen
Yeah, but it just baffles me the way that he reveals these things.
Like...
jordan holmes
Because he can't not!
He thinks it all makes sense.
dan friesen
It doesn't, though.
jordan holmes
He thinks it's all perfectly reasonable, and so why wouldn't he tell it to you?
dan friesen
That's that mild schizophrenia shit.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
That is that, like, the ordered worldview that he has is so...
Yeah.
jordan holmes
No, he thinks that everything he's saying is dead on, despite the fact that it contradicts itself at every turn.
And even then, and see, and this is the other stuff where we're talking about him being a performance artist and the like, but this shit is shit he actually believes.
dan friesen
Yes.
jordan holmes
This is real shit he believes.
dan friesen
Sacred geometry, the fact that there's a post-tribulation rapture that your brain goes to when you die, if you die before the tribulation and what have you.
Yeah, I mean, this is not like, this isn't...
I mean, in the strictest sense, this isn't propaganda.
jordan holmes
No!
This is wackadoo shit!
dan friesen
This is a lunatic, is what it is.
jordan holmes
This is the Alex Jones everybody signed up for.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
This is what we've all thought Alex Jones was for the longest time.
dan friesen
It's fucked up that he can have that half of his audience that aren't robots that listen to this and they're like, this guy seems like he gets it.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Or they're like, this is fun.
dan friesen
That's true.
Actually, I've been working on a theory, and I'll lay this out in a future thing, that I don't believe that you can find Alex Jones funny unless you subconsciously agree with him.
Okay.
Or you're just not paying attention.
That's possible, too.
Those are the only possibilities.
I've been getting some responses from people.
jordan holmes
Former AJs?
dan friesen
No, people who are like...
I listen to him because I think he's fucking hilarious, man.
And like, you just can't be paying attention then.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
Or you agree with him and you don't want to admit you agree with him because then you're going to have to deal with like, oh really?
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
You want to defend this?
Everyone knows that's too hard.
You don't want to fucking do that.
jordan holmes
I think it's hilarious when Alex Jones inflames anti-Semitism and anti-everybody-but-white-people beliefs.
I think it's hilarious.
Although, at the same time, we do laugh a shit ton about it.
So there is that.
dan friesen
But we laugh a different laugh than those people.
jordan holmes
Yeah, one filled with hate and rage.
dan friesen
Right, and revelation of what he's actually talking about.
So anyway.
We're back to the rapture being a conspiracy in this next clip.
Enjoy.
alex jones
I'm not up here judging anybody that's in the system.
I'm in it too.
But I'm in it to try to educate and try to inform people.
But it's nowhere.
You can read John the Revelator on the Isle of Patmos.
The beast will wage war against the saints and will overcome them.
There'll be this great falling away before.
It'll be the greatest coming to Christ and to God ever.
As the whole world turns against the beast more and more.
And then he starts wiping out billions of people.
A third of the world's population.
Half the Earth's surface burned.
Giant columns of flame.
Mountains.
Huge metal insects dropping bombs.
I mean, it's all in there.
unidentified
Is it?
alex jones
Huge wars.
Russia and the Middle East.
Huge confrontations.
It's all being lined up.
You can't deny it.
jordan holmes
The Soviet Union did.
That's what they called themselves.
dan friesen
In biblical times?
jordan holmes
In biblical times.
alex jones
And then Christ comes back at the Battle of Armageddon.
And then the dead in Christ are raised.
I mean, a five-year-old could read that, but you're so deceived.
Yes, that's true.
Because in the last hundred plus years, the World Council and National Council of Churches has globalized the Christian faith and come in and taught new dogmas that were not known in Christianity ever.
In the 40s, German Christians didn't resist Hitler and thought it was the end of the world.
They thought he was the Antichrist.
jordan holmes
In the 2017s, American Christians didn't resist Hitler.
Hitler.
alex jones
Listen, Christians get so mad at me.
I'm not saying your preacher's wrong if he teaches pre-tribulation rapture.
I'm not saying he's a false teacher.
unidentified
Yes, you are.
alex jones
I'm sure he knows more Bible verses than I do.
All I know is the whole Bible, Christians have to stand up, the Israelites had to stand up against evil and do the right thing on threat of death and many times get killed.
Why now do we get teleported up?
dan friesen
Fair enough.
jordan holmes
I guess.
I mean, again, if you create imaginary arguments to argue against, your argument is probably right.
dan friesen
It's too weird for us to sit here and have him be like the post versus pre-tribulation rapture.
I don't care.
jordan holmes
What are we doing to unpack this and why?
Why are we doing this?
dan friesen
I don't think we're unpacking it.
I think what we're doing is it's important that our audience knows that he spends a lot of time on stuff like this.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Because it is, like, there is way too much of a focus in the mainstream, I believe, the coverage of Alex Jones on, I mean, there are important issues, his hucksterism, his desperate salesmanship and what have you, his support of Trump, those sorts of things are important facets to him.
But his religion, which is not Christianity, is very important to the big picture of who he is as a broadcaster and as a propagandist.
jordan holmes
Right.
It's so weird that he does that on the show.
It's so weird.
dan friesen
Sunday show, man.
jordan holmes
So weird.
dan friesen
It's the Sunday show.
So weird.
It's not that we're like, Alex believes in the post-trib, let's just fucking argue for the pre-trib for fun.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
It's more just like, let's let people hear this.
jordan holmes
What?
dan friesen
Because it's fucking wild.
jordan holmes
So now I do want you to argue for the pre-trib for fun.
dan friesen
All right.
Of course it happens before.
jordan holmes
That was a lot of fun.
Moving on!
dan friesen
Why would God put the faithful through that?
That's horrifying.
That's a very dickish God.
jordan holmes
Dude, well, why would God put anybody through anything?
dan friesen
Well, to make them stronger.
jordan holmes
I don't know.
dan friesen
Anyway, we have one more clip here.
In this clip, I think we get the revelation that...
jordan holmes
I got it.
dan friesen
Okay.
jordan holmes
No, don't worry.
dan friesen
This whole day's show.
jordan holmes
You're going to give me that and not like Goat Giscard?
unidentified
Come on, man.
dan friesen
Goat Giscard was okay.
So I think that at the beginning of this clip we see where all of this comes from.
This day of just rambling about the revelation and tribulation and what have you.
I think it's because someone keeps bothering him.
And then he rambles on for a while about hypocrites or something.
unidentified
Of course.
alex jones
I'm not on some high horse, but if I get lectured one more time by a Pharisee about me getting mad sometimes and using mild French, which I try not to do, but I'm so real, I do it occasionally.
I'm going to throw up.
jordan holmes
I'm so real.
alex jones
Get the beam out of your eye before you talk about the stick in my eye.
I'm ready to die for the unborn.
I'm ready to stand up against the globalist.
I'm nothing special, but I don't like evil.
I know my heart's right.
Where's yours?
Because I don't see the manifestation of resistance against tyranny.
I see people in a coma who want to go to church and look like they're all upright and good and at night we know what you're doing.
I almost want to go do bad stuff so I'm not with you all the fakes.
I'm racked by conscience.
I'm racked by trying to be the best person I can be.
And even having to study the globalists in a war game, they're evil.
I have to get in their mindset and I feel sinful even studying the enemy.
The knowledge of good and evil permeates all.
I just know that great evil is upon us, and it's only going to intensify for the decades coming forward.
It may be 50 years, 100 years out.
My gut tells me it's more like 10 years.
I mean, stuff is moving quick, folks, and it's scary.
But like Nineveh, we could get a reprieve.
God was going to judge Nineveh.
But because Jonah didn't want to go, Jonah didn't want to be a prophet, Jonah didn't want to go out and tell the truth, Jonah didn't want to get in people's faces, but because Jonah did it, the people listened, they got a hundred year reprieve.
jordan holmes
Seems very arbitrary.
alex jones
For the volcanoes and earthquakes that destroy that civilization, and archaeology shows it happened.
unidentified
Okay.
jordan holmes
Archaeology shows it happened.
dan friesen
Archaeology does not prove that Jonah was in a whale.
jordan holmes
Archaeology proved that God gave them a hundred year rest.
dan friesen
What's this in the fossil record?
jordan holmes
There's a note here.
Call Larry Nichols?
unidentified
What the fuck?
dan friesen
The reason that this is important, I left this in because it's kind of rambly and nonsensical, but this is the beginning of a narrative that will become very important in his support of Trump.
So you could argue that this is a soft launch in some ways.
This idea of a reprieve, like Nineveh, he uses those specific languages about Trump, that Trump is that reprieve.
That is God giving us a chance to get out from under these globalists.
He further makes it more robust in his metaphor that what Trump is allowing us to do is get our head above water and take a breath before we have to go and fight this...
Shark, I guess.
I'm not entirely sure where it works in the metaphor.
But this is the first time that he has used that metaphor in the context of the globalists and what we're doing moving forward.
And he will co-opt it from this religious perspective on to Trump.
jordan holmes
Turn it into a Trump thing.
Wow.
People's gods sure are weird.
They've got a lot of weird shit to do.
dan friesen
If they appreciate this, that is...
That's a God who's not paying attention.
Yeah.
That's a God who's checked out.
jordan holmes
That's a God who should become a policy wonk.
I'll tell you that right now.
dan friesen
That's a God who is not buying caveman.
That's where the traffic's coming from.
God doesn't have any dollars.
jordan holmes
Ah, I got you.
He wants to listen.
God's got his own holy bot farm.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Anyway, let's wrap this up, because that's the end of this.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
But it's thrilling that we can get that admission from Alex that his traffic has gone up and no extra money.
He knows that RT is a propaganda outlet, and he spends an entire day on his show bickering about the revelation and various forms of the rapture.
And doing that whole game where he's like, hey, if you believe in a pre-tribulation, your preacher's not full of shit.
But also it's a globalist plot trying to pacify Christians.
jordan holmes
What are you talking about?
dan friesen
UNESCO was involved.
jordan holmes
I'm not saying he's a bad guy.
He's just part of the globalist conspiracy to destroy all life on this planet.
dan friesen
At one point he says, they sound a lot like collaborators.
What are you doing?
Pick a side.
Pick a side of your bizarre nonsense.
jordan holmes
God, I want to...
See, now I want him to quit.
Just quit broadcasting, Alex.
Write your own holy book.
unidentified
You'll get a...
jordan holmes
Look, if fucking Joseph Smith can get a worldwide religion, fuck yeah, Alex Jonesianism?
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
Shit tons of people would do that shit.
dan friesen
Yeah, I just don't think he could write a coherent thread.
I think he'd need a ghostwriter.
jordan holmes
He needs a ghostwriter.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Alex, we are available.
And if you'd like to get us, you can reach us at our...
The website, knowledgefight.com.
jordan holmes
Send us an email, knowledgefight at gmail.com.
dan friesen
We will write your holy book, Alex.
jordan holmes
You could reach out to us on Twitter.
It's at knowledge underscore fight, Alex.
We'll write that holy book for you.
dan friesen
Or we're on Facebook.
And like I said, there's a lot of writing content.
Also, your blog.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Every Thursday.
And every day, there will be little pieces of what the fuck Alex Jones is talking about that day.
If you can help boost them out there, it would help a great deal, and I appreciate it.
jordan holmes
And then you can also go to iTunes.
It's true.
dan friesen
That's where our podcast is.
jordan holmes
You could subscribe to it.
You could leave a review.
You could give us some stars.
Preferably five.
dan friesen
Uh-huh.
Oh, shit.
unidentified
What?
dan friesen
I just had a thought.
jordan holmes
What thought?
dan friesen
So we know about one thing that Alex Jones believes in.
Or Alex Jones' dad believes in.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
HIV denialism.
jordan holmes
HIV denialism.
dan friesen
One other guy believes in that stuff.
jordan holmes
Oh, shit.
dan friesen
He's a guy who doesn't hang up pictures.
unidentified
No.
dan friesen
He's an old guy.
jordan holmes
What fucking person would believe and do both of those things?
dan friesen
I see no reason to not believe that John Rappaport is Alex Jones' dad.
jordan holmes
Oh, shit.
dan friesen
Now think about this.
jordan holmes
Oh, shit.
dan friesen
The teeth come into play.
jordan holmes
No!
dan friesen
He's a dentist.
jordan holmes
All right.
dan friesen
He's a dentist.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
But he's bits of depression.
He's knocked out all of his teeth, and that's why he needs dentures.
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
Okay.
jordan holmes
I'm going to go even further than that.
dan friesen
Okay.
jordan holmes
All right?
Alex's dad died.
dan friesen
Oh, no.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
He needed a replacement daddy.
jordan holmes
No, no, no, no.
Alex's dad wants to live forever.
unidentified
Oh.
jordan holmes
How do you live forever?
You download your consciousness into some false teeth.
dan friesen
Race memory.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
And then implant those teeth into John Rappaport.
dan friesen
Incisor memory.
That's probably what happened.
I think we've solved this mystery.
jordan holmes
I think we've solved it.
dan friesen
So, Alex Jones's dad and John Rappaport, I invite you to go fuck yourself.
alex jones
Andy in Kansas, you're on the air.
Thanks for holding.
andy in kansas
Hello Alex, I'm a first time caller.
unidentified
I'm a huge fan.
I love your work.
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