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Nov. 14, 2017 - Knowledge Fight
01:48:35
#102: Alex On Russian Media

Knowledge Fight dissects Alex Jones’ cozy ties with Russian state media like RT, where guests—Paul Craig Roberts, Max Keiser, and others—echo anti-American claims while Jones amplifies Kremlin narratives, from falsely blaming Georgia’s 2008 conflict on NATO to praising Putin’s "greetings" as validation. His embrace of Eurasianist propaganda, including Dugan’s Foundation of Geopolitics, mirrors Russian disinformation tactics: racial division, Holocaust denial, and attacks on the UN. Though Jones brands himself a libertarian patriot, his alignment with authoritarian fringe groups reveals a hollow ideology—one that fuels domestic instability while ignoring systemic solutions like democratic socialism. [Automatically generated summary]

Participants
Main
a
alex jones
infowars 08:21
d
dan friesen
52:16
j
jordan holmes
34:40
t
translator russian
08:07
Appearances
m
max keiser
01:15
Clips
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paul craig roberts
00:21
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Speaker Time Text
alex jones
Andy in Kansas, you're on the air.
Thanks for holding.
unidentified
Hello, Alex.
dan friesen
I'm a first time caller.
unidentified
I'm a huge fan.
alex jones
I love your work.
I love you.
dan friesen
Hey, everybody.
Welcome back to Knowledge Fight.
I'm Dan.
unidentified
I'm Jordan.
dan friesen
We're wearing the same thing in this episode as the last one.
jordan holmes
I can't understand why that would happen.
dan friesen
There were five minutes between episodes.
jordan holmes
I think it might be because we're disgusting human beings.
That's also a very relevant possibility.
dan friesen
We are discussing human beings who like to sit around, drink novelty beverages, and talk a little bit about Alex Jones.
jordan holmes
That is what we do.
Is there a reason why you would, or perhaps is there a reason why we would record two episodes back to back?
dan friesen
Getting work done.
jordan holmes
Some sort of interesting work in.
Some sort of like a hook.
Some sort of twists.
Like a blues traveler style/slash Stephen King-style twist.
dan friesen
The reason is, like, look, the world is what it is.
It's a terrifying place.
I happen to know a lot about Alex Jones, and I see it as my duty to teach you, who knows nothing about Alex Jones, about this before it's too late.
jordan holmes
That makes me sound like a buffoonish child.
dan friesen
No, you know a lot about a lot of other things, but just not Alex Jones.
jordan holmes
Not Alex Jones.
dan friesen
I happen to believe it's one of the most important areas of study in our times.
And we can debate whether that's true.
I'm leaning towards it's not.
jordan holmes
You know what?
Here's the other thing.
I'm actually leaning towards you, but even harder.
We shouldn't be looking for any kind of media grants or anything like that.
dan friesen
No.
jordan holmes
Let me tell you something, Dan.
You and me, adjunct professors.
dan friesen
I like this.
jordan holmes
That's what we're doing now.
dan friesen
You know what, though?
jordan holmes
History of modern propaganda/slash Alex Jones is a dick bag.
dan friesen
I think we could teach that at a junior college.
I think so, too.
I bet we could.
jordan holmes
I bet we could get at least 20 grand for it.
dan friesen
Let's do it.
Do a little bit of research between us.
I'd still take it.
jordan holmes
I was going to say, that's 20 grand more than we currently have.
dan friesen
Yeah, that's certainly right.
But we could have 20 grand if George Soros goes to our website, knowledgefight.com.
unidentified
There we go.
dan friesen
Support the show.
And if you would like to do that, you could become a policy wonk.
Or if you already donated and you want to bump that number up, you could become a foreign policy wonk, like one of our new foreign policy wonks.
We got a new one.
jordan holmes
Oh, shit.
dan friesen
And actually, this gentleman came to Chicago, and we had a great time hanging out with him over the weekend.
jordan holmes
We did.
dan friesen
It was a blast.
jordan holmes
It was very fun.
dan friesen
Although I was very hungover the next day.
Very.
But I'd like to give a shout out to our new foreign policy wonk.
What's going on out there, John?
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
unidentified
Four stars.
Go home to your mother and tell her you're brilliant.
Yeah.
jordan holmes
John, you're a super cool dude.
And you are, I think, one of the very, very few policy wonks who have ever seen me do stand-up.
dan friesen
Yeah, we went out and watched you do a set.
Yeah.
jordan holmes
I apologize.
dan friesen
Presidential.
jordan holmes
I apologize heartily, John.
dan friesen
And that's the other thing.
jordan holmes
If you would like to...
dan friesen
We are too accessible.
jordan holmes
If you would like to see me do stand-up, follow me on I don't have any social media and I do not post any of my gigs anywhere.
dan friesen
I will find a video and send it to you, though.
Please don't.
jordan holmes
Please don't.
dan friesen
But no, for real, it was super fun to hang out and meet someone who likes the show and is an extra very interesting guy, very nice guy.
And if you're ever in town policy wonks out there, feel free to hit us up.
We'll probably have a drink with you.
jordan holmes
And to be honest, even if you are a serial killer, we'd be like, well, this isn't a bad way to go.
dan friesen
And we'd be in public.
jordan holmes
We would be in public.
dan friesen
I don't think we'd meet a serial killer in private somewhere.
Anything like that.
But yeah, it's great.
It's really cool to me that we have cool fans.
Everybody that I've interacted with online in our chat room for the live shows are all super cool and not dicks.
Even to people, like sometimes we get Alex Jones fans in the chat room and they don't attack them.
I like that.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
I like that they're not assholes to people and I think we've done a good job of cultivating a reasonable fan base.
jordan holmes
I think we have an incredibly reasonable, intelligent fan base.
dan friesen
Everyone makes fun of me for using the word reasonable.
jordan holmes
That is why we are all not so much larger.
We are not so popular.
dan friesen
It's the price we pay.
jordan holmes
Turns out reasonable and intelligent people were running low.
dan friesen
If we pick fights, we would be much better off.
jordan holmes
Oh, yeah.
dan friesen
So today, Jordan, what we're going to be going over is I wanted to do a little bit of a look at Alex Jones and his relationship with Russian media.
jordan holmes
So you got a telescope.
All right.
All right.
There we go.
unidentified
What?
jordan holmes
Dropping bits.
dan friesen
I might not understand the bit.
jordan holmes
I wanted to get a look at.
All right.
Screw you, Dan.
Screw you, Dan.
Don't you dare take a sip while I haphazardly explain the moderately terrible bit I just gave.
dan friesen
So what I did, Jordan, is I went back and I watched a number of instances of Alex Jones' appearances on RT.
And then also I have put together a montage of Alex Jones when he was a guest on Alexander Dugan's show right after Donald Trump was elected president.
Great.
I'm not sure what a lot of this proves, but it's an interesting glimpse.
And I want to add this glimpse into the picture even before we get started.
Yeah.
One of the things that I learned from this exploration is that there's a high incidence of Alex Jones regulars who are also regulars on RT.
People like Paul Craig Roberts is on all the time.
Gerald Salenti, Peter Schiff.
These people often go on RT and make fairly anti-American arguments.
Like, listen to this.
I'm going to start with a clip of Paul Craig Roberts, who's a guy who is on Alex's show very regularly.
Here he is on RT, and I would say this is just talking shit on America.
paul craig roberts
So the American economy is descending into a third world economy, in which the only jobs available are domestic services, such as barbers, waitresses, and bartenders.
jordan holmes
There's slightly more than that.
paul craig roberts
This is not the picture of a superpower.
alex jones
Agreed?
dan friesen
To some extent.
jordan holmes
Well, I mean, that's a dumb argument to make.
Using his particular examples in proof, I do think he's correct, though.
dan friesen
I do not agree.
jordan holmes
I think we're descending into a third world country.
When you look at our infant mortality rate going up, you've got to be like, well, there's maybe some argument to be had there.
dan friesen
No, that's because of the vaccines they're giving to the white babies.
jordan holmes
That makes sense now.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
You got me back on board.
Pro-America all the way.
dan friesen
Well, here's the thing.
Our economy isn't descending into a third world economy.
Our economy has been getting steadily better since 2008.
That argument is silly.
A lot of the jobs that are available are in service industries and in that sector.
jordan holmes
But that's mainly because manufacturing has become roboticized.
dan friesen
That's not all of the jobs.
That is one snapshot, but there's a lot of other jobs.
There are tons of other ones.
That's an overly simplistic view.
I don't think we're descending into a third world economy, but we're not what we were 70 years ago or whatever.
But that's because modernization happens.
That's a silly argument to be making.
And at the end, him saying this is not a superpower is not justifiable based on the numbers.
jordan holmes
Based on what he gave as examples, I think you're correct.
Based on the overall reality, I think you might be wrong.
I think we are watching a former superpower decline.
That may be.
In the same way that you say that.
dan friesen
That may be, but you need to look.
If that is true, you're predicting the future in a way that's a little irresponsible.
jordan holmes
I'm using history to predict the future, which I think is a relatively reasonable idea to do.
dan friesen
Everybody understands history.
There's a way you can cut things off at the past, which we're not doing.
jordan holmes
Which we're definitely not doing.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
But I mean, if you look at the way that Rome ended, this is fairly similar.
dan friesen
There are some similarities.
jordan holmes
There are a lot of similarities.
Not least to mention so many different states within Rome and its outlying territories starting to break away from each other ideologically and really by geography.
dan friesen
I would posit that you having these thoughts and you having these positions is pretty reasonable, and we're doing a podcast here, and that's fine.
We can spout these things.
If you were to go on Russian television, Russian state-owned television, and say that America is not a superpower and descending into a third world country, it has a different flair to it, to me, a little bit.
jordan holmes
Well, see, but the way that I would do that is then put, like you guys, Russia.
dan friesen
Interesting.
Interesting strategy.
I support it.
The thing, and I realize that this is a little bit of a small example, but it is the trend among all of his guests that end up going on.
The Robert David Steele's, the Gerald Salentis, the Peter Schiffs, they go on and they say negative things about America.
Right.
And that's not a coincidence.
jordan holmes
No, of course not.
dan friesen
So let's start off here.
jordan holmes
I mean, if you are a state-owned propaganda outlet, you are not going to give both sides equal view.
Like if you were, say, some sort of massive media company that has a hard-right bent, you would definitely not give equal view to climate change.
No.
You would absolutely insist that the weakest and most idiotic people represent the more reasonable position.
Therein making it look like you guys are the smartest.
dan friesen
Let's go have scientists on Fox News as opposed to let's have weirdo like, let's say, Tammy Lorraine.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
dan friesen
Tommy Loran go on and talk shit on the scientists as opposed to having the scientists.
jordan holmes
Makes more sense.
dan friesen
Right.
It's a better game.
Yeah.
So here is a clip from 2008 of Alex Jones going on RT to discuss the Georgian conflict.
If you'll recall, Georgia and Russia got into a war over South Ossetia and another area that I can't remember the name.
jordan holmes
Well, they were not selling as many colorful suits.
dan friesen
Yeah, that was the problem.
jordan holmes
That's an Atlanta.
That was a church in Atlanta joke.
dan friesen
Okay.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much.
That might have been a little subtle.
dan friesen
A little bit.
jordan holmes
A little bit subtle.
dan friesen
It was South Ossetia and Abkhazia.
They were the two regions where there were separatist rebels that Russia gave support to, and they flared up and started a bit of fighting.
And Russia annexed them and declared them to be sovereign areas.
jordan holmes
Isn't that interesting?
dan friesen
Very similar to what happened in Crimea, and very similar to without the armed conflict aspect of it, something that Russia's been doing to their neighbors in small degrees for the whole time Putin's been around.
So here is Alex in the wake of the Russia-Georgia conflict on Russian television.
unidentified
While the shooting may be over, the war of words continues.
Russia has criticized the Western media for what it's called its bias field on the conflict.
But not all journalists blame Russia for the conflict.
Alex Jones from the Infowars.com website blames, or claims rather, that American viewers have been deceived by the coverage.
alex jones
First off, let me say I am ashamed as an American.
I'm a loyal American who loves my country, but my country has been taken over by a private international military-industrial complex, and they launched the sneak attack on the Russian enclaves of Abkhazia and other areas, as you know, on 888 using the cover of the Olympic Games and a dastardly sneak attack on the order of Pearl Harbor in World War II.
jordan holmes
You know it's real.
alex jones
I was watching foreign news, and I knew that the U.S.-backed Georgians, the Israeli and NATO-backed Georgians had snuck attack viciously and were hunting down and killing civilians, attacking the peacekeepers, just unprecedented crimes.
dan friesen
Who do you think he's talking about when he says foreign media?
jordan holmes
Who boy?
dan friesen
I was watching you.
alex jones
Yeah.
In our modern age, the 21st century.
jordan holmes
It definitely wasn't getting that friendly.
alex jones
I was talking about CNN and Fox and even BBC.
And they were reporting that Russia, it was headlines, Russia invades Georgia, Russia sneak attacks.
And our leaders went on television and said that we would have to have a new Cold War.
It was such an insult to the American people's intelligence that the United States-backed Georgia.
And I apologize as an American that we've let our government been taking over like this.
And this is not the United States that I grew up in.
The neocons in NATO, in the U.S., and Israel want to have a new Cold War.
I just hope Russia keeps troops in Georgia so no more sneak attacks can be launched because the dictator, and we know he was elected under fraud, there in Georgia, has said that he plans, he said it last week, to attack again as soon as he can.
So please, Russia does not need to leave these areas that have been part of Russia for years, Abkhazia and Ossetia, because we don't want violence.
The American people don't want this.
We want to be friends with Russia.
The Anglo-American Western New World Order System based in, of course, London and New York and D.C., they have hijacked the U.S.
They have implemented continuity of government.
They have geared up for martial law camps here.
They're destroying our republic.
They're destroying our freedoms.
They're coming after the free press.
And so they're using NATO expansion as a way to widen a war throughout Central Asia and then to the West through Eastern Europe and Central Europe.
And I really appreciate the fact that Russia has been restrained in all of this.
jordan holmes
Jesus Christ.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Wow.
dan friesen
There's a lot of problems with that, like, narratively.
And there's a lot of problems with that historically.
jordan holmes
Oh, yeah?
dan friesen
Yeah.
The leader in Georgia that he's referring to was a sort of Western sympathetic ruler that came to power.
And he's not a dictator.
unidentified
Nope.
dan friesen
He was leaning towards trying to join the UN.
jordan holmes
He wanted protection from that guy to his east.
Didn't want to have that guy anywhere near him.
dan friesen
And, of course, like any of these geopolitical struggles, it had to do with a fucking pipeline.
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
That Russia didn't want to be there because it took away from their funds.
jordan holmes
They didn't make as much money.
dan friesen
Yeah, exactly.
jordan holmes
If they're producing oil, that's competition and they don't want competition because then they don't make as much money.
dan friesen
It's the same thing with Crimea.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
It's strange.
dan friesen
It's all exactly like it's all a very, very simple calculus.
jordan holmes
And why would Georgia never have been allowed in the UN?
Because Russia can negotiate on the Security Council with the rest of the UN and be like, hey, we're going to take Georgia.
And you guys don't have the balls to stop us.
dan friesen
And other members of the Security Council, when that was being discussed, the idea of putting forward a map of them joining.
Right.
Their position was that would be seen as an undue insult or an attack on Russia.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
And so that didn't move forward.
But what did move forward...
jordan holmes
China definitely isn't going to sign off on a, quote, undue attack on Russia.
unidentified
No.
dan friesen
And so we have this.
We have this situation where there are areas where, sure, you can make the argument that they used to be part of the Soviet Union.
And some of the people there identify with Russia as its bordering.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
But it's not a part of Russia.
That's not their country.
alex jones
No.
dan friesen
The lines are very clear about national sovereignty and stuff like that.
It goes to Alex's, like, his belief that secession is okay and that sort of thing.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
You know, there is some of that.
jordan holmes
No, actually, I have a pretty significant question that is such a huge blind spot because I never really even thought about it.
How were the borders drawn up immediately after the fall of the Soviet Union?
Were they pre-Soviet Union borders or did they have to redistrict everything?
I think they would have had to rewrite everything, right?
And how would you do so?
dan friesen
Well, in the 10th century A.D., Georgia for the first time emerged as an ethnic concept in the territories where the Georgian language was used to perform Christian rituals.
unidentified
All right, fast.
dan friesen
After the Mongol invasion of the region.
jordan holmes
Nope.
dan friesen
Okay, so there's that.
jordan holmes
Move ahead.
dan friesen
The independent Democratic Republic of Georgia was invaded by the Red Army in 1921, and Soviet government was installed.
The government of Soviet Georgia created an autonomous administrative unit for the Transcaucasian Ossetans in April 1922 called the South Ossetian Autonomous Oblast.
Historians such as Stephen F. Jones and some other folks believe that the Bolsheviks granted this autonomy to the Ossetians in exchange for their help in fighting the Democratic Republic of Georgia, since the area had never been a separate entity prior to the Russian invasion.
South Ossetia had not been a separate region.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So the Democratic Republic of Georgia predated the Soviet Union coming and invading.
So I don't know how it worked with all of the Soviet territories that split up after that, but they predated, so there's that.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
I don't know all the boundaries of all these other countries, but there's that.
jordan holmes
And of course, you're going to have people who identify in the Soviet Union because they've never lived with anything else.
Sure.
Like from when they were born, they've always been.
dan friesen
We have people who still believe in the Confederacy.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
Of course.
dan friesen
There's that.
I mean, if you had, let's say, a situation where Canada was a sneaky power and they were trying to bolster the credibility of the remnants of the Confederacy in our country, it would be fairly similar.
It could be like, you know, Alabama was really more importantly part of the Confederacy.
It wasn't really part of the United States.
Or it kind of got forced into it.
jordan holmes
If the Civil War had just ended with us becoming two separate countries, plenty of people in the South would still identify as North American.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
So it's incredibly complicated.
And Alex went on Russian television and just supported the exact Russian line on it.
And that's kind of common.
It's kind of common, you're going to see.
Because one of the other things that is a big thorn in the side of Russia regaining a lot of the territory that it lost when the Soviet Union broke up, a lot of the power, a lot of the money that they could be making through oil reserves and stuff like that is UN sanctions.
It is a complete disaster for them because they keep encroaching on their neighbors and the UN's not thrilled with that.
jordan holmes
They're not happy with it.
dan friesen
No, so here's another clip of Alex on RT talking about the UN.
unidentified
What would you do to fix it?
Is it possible to fix it?
You know, is there any solution here?
alex jones
Well, that's a great question.
The United Nations inherently was designed for fraud and corruption.
dan friesen
No, it wasn't.
alex jones
And taking over sovereign nations.
jordan holmes
Did they write that down?
alex jones
It's also being used at the international level to pass laws to take U.S. sovereignty.
That's the globalist model.
And so you can't do anything good with the UN overall because its mission is to set up a covert world government that's now come out of the open.
dan friesen
Not really.
jordan holmes
Wait, I thought that its mission was to set up an overt world government.
dan friesen
Well, not over.
jordan holmes
Isn't that kind of a cooperative expression of, hey, let's not all kill each other.
dan friesen
Yeah, that's really the mission that it set out for was let's not have another world war.
jordan holmes
Right.
Hey, you guys want to fight.
Guess what?
We're all hanging out.
Come on over.
We'll talk it out.
Maybe you guys won't fight.
dan friesen
Right.
And even with whatever extreme nationalist version of the world Alex wants to create, and these other people want to create these United Nations.
There has to be.
jordan holmes
It's the only way that you can coordinate your dumb nationalism.
dan friesen
Because even if you have these nationalist entities that go all and everybody's got weird unilateral treaties with each other or what have you, eventually you're going to butt up against each other.
Eventually, there's going to be some need for collective bargaining with each other because otherwise nothing will ever get done.
And just like guess what?
Once that happens and you have this national collection of nations that are getting together under some slightly different name for the exact same goal, there will be corruption within it and there will be inadequacies.
There will be times when atrocities take place and they're supposed to stop it and they fuck it up.
That's going to happen no matter what.
jordan holmes
That's the score.
dan friesen
Yes.
jordan holmes
But the situation with the, I suppose we'll call it upside down UN?
Yeah.
The situation there is the dark universe, UN.
The situation there is if you've got a bunch of nationalist countries, eventually you're going to get into disputes of, just like we talked about with the Soviet Union, your American nationalists are going to start saying, well, Mexico was part of the United States.
We own that territory.
Why don't we have it?
dan friesen
Mexico will rebut part of the United States was Mexico.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
And like, ooh, we have reached a stalemate.
jordan holmes
But is Mexico in the dark United Nations?
dan friesen
Nope.
jordan holmes
I'm afraid not.
dan friesen
No.
jordan holmes
So the dark United Nations is not going to stand up and say, hey, we can't let you do that.
dan friesen
Right, because Mexico is too chaotic due to all the cartels and what have you to get their shit together and be admitted into the dark side UN.
jordan holmes
Frankly, I think in this dark UN universe, they would say it is actually a police action.
It is an act of benevolence for the nationalist United States to annex Mexico.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
In the same way that it is a national benevolence for Russia to reabsorb the Ukraine or Germany to invade neighbors.
Well, frankly, they already are getting Poland back pretty quick if the Nazis.
dan friesen
Through subversion.
jordan holmes
Yeah, the only people that don't want more Nazis in Poland are the Nazis in Germany.
dan friesen
So, yeah, I mean, like, that's the thing that you really butt up into when you get into Alex's views about the UN.
Because his ideas about what they were created for, obviously, not stupid.
But his ideas of what the world will end up being in his fantasy scenario don't even work necessarily.
So him coming on to RT and saying that the UN is beyond fixing and its only function is corruption, that's manna from heaven to the people, the propagandists at RT.
They're like, yes, absolutely.
This is exactly what we think.
jordan holmes
What he's really describing is FIFA.
You don't get that, do you?
dan friesen
I didn't have time to take a sip.
jordan holmes
I'm sorry, would the International Olympic Committee be a far more apt comparison for you?
Yeah, that's what they're really describing, not the United Nations.
As much corruption as I'm sure there is in the United Nations of which there is a shit ton.
dan friesen
Tons.
jordan holmes
You know, they hung out with Silvio Berlusconi, who, happily to report, is making a comeback, is making his sixth comeback.
dan friesen
Any of these fucking bodies that you have end up lending themselves to corruption.
And legitimately, the only way that you work against that is regulation and oversight.
Those are the only things that are going.
jordan holmes
And applying the rule of law equally across boundaries.
dan friesen
Well, and you can look at it.
You can say, like, we have a federal government and it's full of corruption.
That's why states are important.
Like, look at the state governments.
There's tons of corruption in state government.
Okay, well, let's get down to city government.
jordan holmes
There's tons of corruption in city government.
dan friesen
Anytime any kind of organized power body is going to have those elements within it.
So you get watchdog groups.
So you get strict regulations.
So when people are caught doing things, they are punished appropriately.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
And you do that.
Internationally, that works too.
jordan holmes
How do you stop the financial crash of 2008 or the one in 1929 or the one in 1987?
dan friesen
The one in 2019.
jordan holmes
The one in 2018.
I'm going to go with it.
dan friesen
I'm being generous.
jordan holmes
Is you put the people who caused it in jail forever, forever and ever.
Because it's cruel and unusual to use a guillotine on them on live TV.
dan friesen
I mean, Alex even uses the example of it's Iceland, right, that jailed all the bankers that.
jordan holmes
Yeah, oh, they got fucked.
dan friesen
Yeah, and he even uses that example.
And I think he takes the wrong lesson from it necessarily.
The right lesson is those were crimes that were committed and people were punished appropriately.
jordan holmes
And Iceland's economy has recovered and has acted more fairly in the absence of those fucking corrupt assholes.
dan friesen
And with appropriate oversight and, like you say, a reasonable application of the law across the board, those things are possible on a national level, on an international level.
And that's what we should be working towards, not the dismantling of the UN that only really serves the purposes of hostile actors.
That's not what we want.
jordan holmes
And it's such a, it's even more than that.
It's such a simple psychological concept that everybody feels infinitely more safe when the law is applied equally.
It is so, it's such a small thing.
But think about how much more comfortable you are if the law is, oh, I'm not treated any less fairly than the richest guy or the poorest guy.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
We're all treated the same.
Every day you wake up far more safe.
Every day, every black person that wakes up never worries about the cops because they know they're going to be treated the same way that a billionaire would be treated.
dan friesen
It really seems like that would be a good way to get legitimate prosperity.
jordan holmes
And every billionaire goes to sleep wondering if the next day is the day that they die.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Because the children come back.
jordan holmes
Also, in my fantasy, the law is applied equally, and I am the leader of roving bands of coyotes.
dan friesen
Oh, boy.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Wait, people getting people over the border?
jordan holmes
Nope.
Literal coyotes.
Literal coyotes.
dan friesen
I think you have to pronounce it coyotes, though.
jordan holmes
I have them pull a sled, and I just go from Fortune 500 company to the next.
Like reverse Santa Claus.
dan friesen
In a hypothetical sense, I support your mission.
So this next clip.
I told you that Alex Jones, a lot of his guests appear frequently as guests on RT.
And he has one guest in particular who has his own show on RT and has for years.
That is a gentleman by the name of Max Kaiser.
We know him from his cryptocurrency Max Bucks and from that one time he tried to get Alex to be reasonable about the idea of gun insurance and Alex freaked out at him.
Right, right, right.
So we know him from that.
Here is a clip of Max Kaiser and Alex Jones having a conversation.
This is on Alex's show.
And let me tell you this: Alex is smiling the biggest smile I've ever heard, ever seen, right at the beginning of this clip when Max gives him a little bit of news.
jordan holmes
Disgusting.
alex jones
The economy, because like you said, it's a mixed bag.
max keiser
Vladimir Putin says to say hello, by the way.
alex jones
Did that really happen?
max keiser
Oh, yeah.
He said, when you see Alex Thomas, I said hello.
alex jones
That's crazy.
max keiser
Yeah.
alex jones
I'm going to not go over there, though, though.
max keiser
I'm going to interview Putin this year.
alex jones
Really?
max keiser
Yeah.
Going over there.
alex jones
Now, I am interested in this because I was told by the head of RT America who even launched this shit.
Like eight, nine years ago.
Putin's a big lister.
And by the way, he likes how you're on my show.
max keiser
He's in the show.
It's our fucking 10-year anniversary to this shit.
alex jones
I know you're a big star all over the world, but Putin knows you.
max keiser
Yeah, he's imitated me.
I did this thing where David Cameron ripped his shirt off at the governor's dinner, and he looked at this clip and he said, your journalists are very interesting.
The one, the Max, who ripped his shirt off is very interesting.
alex jones
Let's get back to the Putin thing.
Oh, this will be newsworthy.
Let me hear this.
What did he say?
max keiser
Well, I'm just telling what he said.
You know, he's imitating me.
And Jesse Ventura was there at the dinner.
alex jones
All he came to say, Adam Interventura, told me that.
Please bite him out of this asshole.
max keiser
Say hello to Alex Jones.
He's going to come on my show this year.
Moscow is beautiful in the springtime.
alex jones
We actually got reached out two years ago by some people, and I checked.
It was like, it was like, yes, Putin wants to come on, but he wants to talk about hunting because you're from Texas.
max keiser
And I was just like, well, you know, I noticed you like to go bearchested now.
I mean, I think Putin started that.
alex jones
I did that as a joke.
max keiser
That whole bear chesting thing.
dan friesen
I did it to troll the media.
He made a picture of himself on a horse with his shirt off like Putin.
I trolled the media.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
Much like calling Obama a sperm bank or whatever the fuck.
Sure.
max keiser
Liberal is crazy because Putin dares to be a heterosexual.
So therefore, can we Google Alex Jones on a horse?
alex jones
Alex Jones on a horse.
max keiser
You know, Putin's heterosexual.
And so therefore.
alex jones
I'm not bragging, but aren't those some big pecs?
People are saying...
max keiser
They're some awesome pecs.
This is live.
jordan holmes
This is on air.
max keiser
You've gotten Putin pecks.
Alex Putin peck.
That's right.
He on the horse, all naked.
So this is what drives the liberals crazy.
You know, especially in Britain, where not a single person in government would be classified as, you know.
alex jones
I shouldn't have been laughing.
jordan holmes
Are you guys going to fuck him?
alex jones
I did it to troll him.
And then the media was like in a whole bunch of newspapers.
I go, he's a role model.
max keiser
He's bringing peace around the world.
He's a statesman.
alex jones
See, I am a Russian agent.
max keiser
And Trump figures that, you know what, the greatest.
alex jones
Hey, scroll down to the one from me and Planet of the Apes.
jordan holmes
Alex One has completely stopped listening.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
He stopped listening the moment he heard Putin says hi.
He's like, I am just going to be the happiest schoolgirl in the world.
dan friesen
Let me put up the picture where I imitated him.
Isn't it cute?
Maybe he'll see this.
jordan holmes
Are you saying he got my note?
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
The one that said, do you like Alex Jones?
Yes or no.
dan friesen
And then the really funny thing is at the end there, he's like, scroll down the one we did about Planet of the Apes.
And I guess they did another parody picture of something with Planet of the Apes.
But the person scrolls down and then immediately has to get off the Google image search because there's a bunch of ones that crosses through stars.
jordan holmes
Of course.
dan friesen
It's just like, oh, shit.
unidentified
Oh, no.
alex jones
Abort.
jordan holmes
Abort.
dan friesen
Oh, no.
jordan holmes
Don't make the subtext text.
dan friesen
We don't want to air that we're aware of how hateful our audience is.
Yeah.
It's like, oh, shit.
So, yeah, I mean, like, when we really get down to it, he's beaming when he hears that Putin likes him and wants to say hi.
Wants to come on and talk about hunting.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Whatever the fuck.
jordan holmes
He wants to come on it.
dan friesen
That's just indicative to me of how.
jordan holmes
You hunted the most dangerous game.
unidentified
Oh, boy.
Yes.
dan friesen
Is it South Ossetians?
jordan holmes
No, it is actually.
dan friesen
Apartment buildings?
jordan holmes
No, it's Johnny Leguizamo.
It's Johnny Legs.
dan friesen
Oh.
jordan holmes
From the past.
dan friesen
Okay.
jordan holmes
Do you not remember that one?
dan friesen
Did he do a one-man show?
No, that was.
jordan holmes
No, it's the movie where he gets hunted.
It's like a send-up of the most dangerous game.
dan friesen
I remember that.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
Yeah.
I just got conflated because the only thing I can think of when I hear John Leguizamo is that he did that one-man show where he played all the characters in it.
There was like a bunch of characters.
jordan holmes
I assume it was.
dan friesen
Someone explained it to me.
jordan holmes
I assume it was the most well-received one-man show in the history of the world.
In the same way that Super Mario Brothers is the best video game adaptation movie that I've ever seen.
unidentified
It's great.
jordan holmes
It's amazing.
unidentified
And Spawn was the best comic book movie.
dan friesen
Can't think of any other John Leguizamo movies.
Anyway.
jordan holmes
He's great in John Wick.
He turned himself into a good character after later in life.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
I still have not seen that.
jordan holmes
It's such a great movie.
Do you know what happens in it?
And you'll never believe this.
All right.
dan friesen
A lot of people get killed.
It's a Keanu Reeves movie.
Right.
jordan holmes
He is an invincible assassin.
dan friesen
Do they do gun katte with the Matrix?
jordan holmes
Pretty much.
dan friesen
Okay.
Cool.
jordan holmes
Pretty close to it.
dan friesen
So, someone else who believed in the Matrix is Alex.
Not a great transition.
jordan holmes
That wasn't the good one.
dan friesen
So, after the election, and we've talked about this a bit.
We've made reference to this a bit.
unidentified
Yes.
dan friesen
After the election, Alex Jones almost immediately gets an invitation over Skype to be on Alexander Dugan's show on Russian television.
Yeah, yeah.
And as we know, Alexander Dugan is a philosopher of note.
unidentified
He is a dispenser.
dan friesen
Yeah, and I mean, the only way really to put it is he had a lot of foundational ideas with anti-liberalism.
And when we say liberalism, we're not talking about liberals.
We're talking about freedom, the American system.
jordan holmes
He's a fascist.
dan friesen
He is against anything that takes people into the collective or what have you.
jordan holmes
There's a lot of bizarre ideas about 2017 instead of 1884.
dan friesen
Indeed.
We can re-delve back into a little bit of his philosophies as we go through this because we're going to play a bit of Alex's appearance on this show.
And I think it's fairly telling.
I know that we've, in the past, made reference to how much he's getting his balls sucked on this show.
But you haven't listened to it, and you haven't heard just how much.
jordan holmes
He's going to get his balls sucked.
dan friesen
And the entire time this is going on, because most of this is going to be these Russian people talking, Alex looks like he's going to cry.
He looks so thrilled to be getting these sort of accolades that, like, you did a good job.
jordan holmes
Well, actually, Alexander Dugan hired somebody to sound him underneath the chair.
dan friesen
Okay, that's possible.
Anything's possible.
jordan holmes
You know what sounding is?
dan friesen
Yes, I do.
jordan holmes
It's fun stuff.
translator russian
We have a special program today because in a few moments we are joined by a legendary American journalist, Alex Jones.
But before that, he should be about today's special guest, Alex Jones.
Mainstream media, the fourth estate, is molding us today.
We form our worldview, our perception of reality, depending on how the mainstream media presents the information to you.
dan friesen
So just a quick assessment of what's going on, because this isn't visual.
They're playing a video package about how great Alex is.
And it's all in Russian.
And so the voice you hear is Alex's Russian employee, Daria, doing the translation.
jordan holmes
That's fun.
unidentified
Yeah.
translator russian
To us.
In the Western world, the dictatorship of the liberal paradigm is all too obvious when it comes to the media.
But it's become especially brazen during the U.S. presidential race.
All the big media moguls openly supported the war criminal Hillary Clinton.
Round the clock from lies to distortions and fake polls.
They praised her political platform and assured of her inevitable win.
Meanwhile, all the front pages of every other publication portray Trump as a loser, intentionally exaggerating his supposed dark past.
His words taken out of context and repeated over and over on all media outlets.
On November 8th, the main Western media operations had already prepared their November 9 issue with Hillary's portrait on the cover and headline, Madam President.
dan friesen
I would like just to rebut against that.
They also had a version prepared where Trump won.
jordan holmes
That's kind of how it works.
It's like the Super Bowl t-shirt.
dan friesen
Exactly.
They have to do that.
There's no way, especially with an election that ends up going into, like, before someone conceded, it was like 3 in the morning.
The idea of getting that to press, the idea of getting the copies out, of course, they had pre-made graphics for everybody and something leaked.
Of course.
It's embarrassing in the same way as the Dewey defeats Truman kind of shit, but that's what people do.
Every single presidential election that has ever happened, I guarantee there is some facsimile of the loser-winning that exists somewhere.
It's not worth punching about.
jordan holmes
But Instead of underprivileged kids in Africa wearing New England Patriots 2004 Super Bowl shirts, they're wiping their ass with pictures of Hillary.
dan friesen
And underprivileged propagandists get to make hay out of it.
translator russian
And television programs have prepared reports praising the lady kingpin of the world financial elites.
Something went wrong.
And all the pre-scripted news packages turned a complete fiasco.
They've put everything on the line and failed miserably.
The predetermined Clinton win has suffered a death blow.
The numbers spoke for themselves.
Trump won.
No one in the U.S. mainstream media believed or wanted to believe in Trump.
No one, except for those in the scientific times, and one dynamic, highly passionate, energetic, and unrelenting journalist and documentary producer, Alex Jones, the director and editor-in-chief of InfoWars News.
It is this journalist who had the courage to show the truth of what is really going on in the United States.
Full disclosure, I working the false narratives of the mainstream media information.
He has exposed the globalist liberal ideology prevailing in a totalitarian style on the modern Western media front.
He reported on the financial elites, their stakes, and strategies during the election.
Alex Jones believes that behind all the world's media outlets, there's an ideological liberal agenda.
dan friesen
You know who else believes that?
unidentified
Can't think of anybody.
dan friesen
Nazis.
jordan holmes
Can't think of anybody.
dan friesen
The Jew media.
jordan holmes
Can't think of anything.
translator russian
Which aims at building a unipolar empire.
This world government manipulates all the prominent media systems for the sake of their own personal interests.
He was all but continually exposing the war crimes of Hillary Clinton and minimizing those of his name and his website suffered repeated denial of service attacks.
But they couldn't stop him.
His videos continue to gather hundreds of thousands of views.
Infowars.com was practically the only resource where the elections were covered thoroughly and objectively.
He didn't cut all live feeds when someone voiced criticism towards the FBI and they discussed the WikiLeaks stumps.
InfoWars has built itself to standard interests of the American people.
This media organization showed its independence from the world financial elites.
It showed its sovereignty from the globalists.
jordan holmes
Still going, huh?
translator russian
Today, when all the mainstream liberal media have utterly been discredited, revealing themselves as politics, InfoWars, along with the new independent media outlets, are becoming powerful forces in the new era and new paradigm which ushers Trump.
dan friesen
So that is a long fucking intro.
Yeah.
But it's essential for like buttering up Alex.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Like he's already on board, but this is like the payoff for him.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
This is, you did a good job, son.
unidentified
Right, right, right.
jordan holmes
All the pat on the head.
dan friesen
All of the things.
jordan holmes
Four stars.
Go home and tell your mother.
dan friesen
Yeah, tell her you're brilliant.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
All of these things are basically just like, you know this, Alex.
You believe this to be true.
And now you're hearing us repeat it.
You're on the right side, bro.
Yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
Stick with us.
dan friesen
We get it.
You get it.
jordan holmes
Done.
Everybody's happy now.
dan friesen
It's nuts.
And I really do truly believe that there is.
It's kind of fun to say something is lost in translation because they're Russians.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
But I do think that something is lost on Alex in terms of when Alexander Dugan and the Russians say liberalism and when he says liberalism.
jordan holmes
Why do you say that?
dan friesen
Because Alex Jones's libertarian beliefs still rely on liberalism.
They still rely on our systems of freedom, our Western ideals.
jordan holmes
I disagree.
dan friesen
You disagree?
jordan holmes
Yeah, I don't think Alex has any idea what Western ideas are about.
He can espouse them all he wants, but as we've seen now, he's a fascist propaganda outlet.
He doesn't believe in America.
He doesn't even like America.
dan friesen
No, he's clear.
He's clear whenever he goes on RT.
He's an American patriot.
jordan holmes
Yeah, no, but he's not.
dan friesen
Right, but he is.
He says he is.
jordan holmes
I know, but he hates America.
He says he is.
Like, he doesn't like the Constitution because it disagrees with him.
dan friesen
He likes one part of it.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right.
The part that allows him to have justice.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
He doesn't like any of our systems.
He doesn't think that there should be checks on power.
dan friesen
No.
Well, he does when liberals are in charge.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right, right.
dan friesen
But not now.
jordan holmes
But generally speaking, whenever there's an ideological service that he wants to make law for everyone, regardless of reality or fact, he's on board.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
So I don't think he likes America.
I don't think most of these people actually like America.
dan friesen
I don't think they do either.
But I still think that in his head, the future he conceives of for America does still rely on liberalism.
jordan holmes
How so?
Imagine what's the future in his head?
Before we go any further, what's the future?
dan friesen
There's a disconnect between what his rhetoric leads to and what he thinks it leads to.
There's certainly that.
Because I don't think we can very clearly see that, you know, were he to reach the logical extension of most of the things that he espouses, you would end up pretty quickly descending into a white ethno-state where everyone's armed and everyone's afraid of each other.
Yeah.
And everyone is disenfranchised.
There's no social nets, safety nets.
jordan holmes
Nope.
dan friesen
There is no income inequality.
It's serfdom.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
All business is unregulated.
Children are back in the caves.
jordan holmes
Smog is our only source of oxygen.
dan friesen
Yeah.
I know that we can take an external view and look at it like that, but I don't think that he thinks that's the end result.
Okay.
That's the delusion that he dwells in.
I think that he believes that you're still going to end up with an equitable system where people have freedom, they have liberty, they can still vote, all that stuff.
You're just going to have businesses that are unshackled.
Like, he doesn't understand what historically has been the end result of that sort of thing.
jordan holmes
Oh, do you mean kids dying in coal mining accidents?
dan friesen
Right, right, right, right.
But even then, even back then, in the nightmare that we lived in in the teens, 20s, we still had a lot of one-armed women because they didn't bother having any safety equipment in any kind of textile mills.
We still lived in a liberalist system.
We still lived in a Western democracy.
Right.
And that is what Alexander Dugan and his ilk are opposed to.
They are opposed to Western democracies.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Alex doesn't realize when he's talking to Alexander Dugan and he's like, liberalism is a cancer and all this stuff.
He doesn't realize that that's the underpinning of even these vestigial images of America that Alex jacks off to.
He doesn't realize that.
He hears liberal in there.
jordan holmes
Right, right.
dan friesen
And that's enough for him.
jordan holmes
Right.
Yeah, no, I can see that definitely being true.
dan friesen
That's the point I'm trying to get to clunkily.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I can absolutely see that.
dan friesen
Yeah.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
And there's another disconnect.
jordan holmes
Because if there's one fundamental truth of this podcast, it is Alex Jones is fucking stupid.
dan friesen
And he doesn't realize what he's up to.
He's not doing it.
And he doesn't do it over his head.
jordan holmes
And he's a fucking moron.
dan friesen
He's in so far over his head.
Yeah.
But the other thing that gets lost in translation is the idea of anti-Americanism.
And that's going to come up, I believe, in this next clip.
And I'll explain on the other end of it what I think the disconnect is.
translator russian
I'm very happy that Alex Jones is live with us right now.
We have been following you, Alex, for many years, including myself personally.
And when you became truly celebrated in this new era of Donald Trump, I marveled at you.
The fact that such people as yourself who embody such free and independent points of view, which are shared in reality by millions of people, Americans and worldwide, and millions of Russian people.
jordan holmes
And you have a giant dick.
translator russian
And you became a hero of this campaign.
How you told the truth while everyone else lied.
How you held your ground fearlessly against the attacks and all the dirt that they were throwing your way.
jordan holmes
He really doesn't want to actually let Alexander.
translator russian
You are an example of a true American man, the true American spirit.
You, Alex, our view of who a real American is.
If the American people are anything like you, then the attitude toward your country toward your people will be radically changed.
And when Donald Trump won, whom you supported, and whom we were all also in solidarity with, not a good thing to say in hindsight.
unidentified
When you and him and all of us won, I said this is a very important Americanism is over.
translator russian
Anti-Americanism is over.
Now the people of the free United States, free Russia, and all the anti-globalist powers worldwide have to build a new world, new architecture.
We are exceedingly glad to see you on our program broadcasting live right now.
And from the bottom of our hearts, we thank you for being the genuine face of real America.
jordan holmes
Hi, Alex.
Hey, Alex.
unidentified
All right.
jordan holmes
It was great having you on our show.
We're going to say some more nice things about you.
You go home.
Please don't speak.
We're going to ruin this for everybody.
dan friesen
We'll talk for half an hour about how great you are.
But if you start talking, our audience is going to because we have just had curated clips of you.
And if you notice, whenever he's on Russian television, he doesn't act like he acted on that BBC interview.
He acts very sensible.
He acts like someone actually who respects the person he's talking to.
jordan holmes
Odd.
dan friesen
Yeah, it's very strange.
jordan holmes
I can't think of any reason why.
dan friesen
No.
And the anti-Americanism is over thing.
I think that how Alex hears that, I know this because he's talked about it.
He hears that and he's like, I have solved the Russia-America problem.
They don't hate us anymore.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
What he doesn't realize is the subtext of what Alexander Dugan is saying there is, we won.
Anti-Americanism is over because we won.
unidentified
We don't need to be anti-American anymore.
jordan holmes
You guys are pro-Russia.
dan friesen
Yeah, you guys are serving our interests.
We have flipped it entirely to a point where our problem is that the UN keeps telling us we can't do this shit that we want to do.
We can't retake the Soviet Union.
Because, I mean, we've talked about this.
Alexander Dugan, what he foresees is Eurasianism and the Eurasian Union.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
That sort of thing, where the Soviet Union becomes whole again.
Like, that's been his fantasy for years.
That's an underpinning of his philosophy.
jordan holmes
And maybe that Eurasian Union starts to have a lot more Soviet Union aspects to it, but it's still the Eurasian.
dan friesen
Even if it doesn't need to have that, you can still do the same game that Nazis do with, or Alex does with Nazi ideology, just change Jew to globalist.
You can do all the things you want to do with just changing one word.
It's that simple.
jordan holmes
People are dumb.
dan friesen
Eurasian Union.
jordan holmes
Is Enron still around?
I feel like they might have just changed their name and we're still doing that.
dan friesen
They probably did.
jordan holmes
They probably did.
dan friesen
I mean, Blackwater did.
jordan holmes
That's true.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Hey, man, there's some guillotine folk right there.
dan friesen
Yeah, no doubt.
jordan holmes
There's some folk with the guillotine on their names.
dan friesen
Nah, you're wrong.
Alex Jones thinks that Eric Prince is a patriot, and that's enough for me.
Oh, boy.
So, what you're getting here is you're getting a full dose of just it.
This is the sort of stuff that you imagine Alex was hearing behind the scenes probably the entire time.
jordan holmes
Oh, of course.
dan friesen
This sort of like through intermediaries, the like you are the only voice that's really telling the truth.
The rest of the world knows it.
jordan holmes
All this sort of a thousand times more effective than just Louis Farrakhan having a couple of people with an InfoWars thing on.
dan friesen
But we've seen how easy it is to destroy him with flattery.
jordan holmes
Frankly, they're going overboard.
It's totally doing overkill.
Guys, you could have just said, man, check out this guy.
He was really good.
And he would have been exactly as in as you are if you give him a 25-minute long-term introduction.
dan friesen
To be fair, it's the culmination of so much.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
And I think Alex would probably feel slighted if they didn't do this for him.
Right.
Because when you are someone like Alex, it's easy to imagine your influence is greater than it is.
Right.
And so sometimes you need those things that make your internal perceptions appear to match the external reality.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Like having Donald Trump on the show.
His show probably didn't merit that, but because his involvement with Roger Stone and working it out behind the scenes, Donald Trump comes on his show and says, I won't let you down.
You're going to be very happy.
We're going to talk a lot in the future.
What have you?
And so now the external world matches Alex Jones' sense of himself.
After the election, Alex, we heard him on election night, drunk at three in the morning, saying, I have served my purpose.
Then he goes on Russian television a couple days later, and they basically mirror that back to him.
And he can imagine that that's how the rest of the world feels.
I have saved the world from globalism.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
I have done such an amazing thing.
And that's why he looks like he's going to cry the whole time.
jordan holmes
Which I'm also assuming why he's even more insane right now is because he's realizing they said nice things about me and now they want me to go back in the corner.
dan friesen
Oh no.
jordan holmes
I'm supposed to be in a closet, a very small closet.
Why are you guys being mean to me?
Oh no, you said I was so important.
You said I was so important.
dan friesen
And maybe Alex has done a little like, I don't think he has because he doesn't do any research, but if he looks into what the people that are flattering him actually believe, it would be incredibly troubling for him.
jordan holmes
Or if he found out what they actually say about him.
dan friesen
Or if he ever looked at the chat room while he's doing a show and saw all of the 1488s, all of the Alex talk about why the Jews Are evil.
All of the N-words flying around.
I know that we maybe are.
I don't know.
It's grandiose on some level, even for us to be like, yeah, our audience is great, but they are.
Everyone is cool.
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
And it would destroy me if our audience were neo-Nazis.
jordan holmes
Oh, man.
If we went into the chat room one night and we saw an N-word, I think we might cancel the show.
dan friesen
I couldn't continue.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I think we would just stop.
dan friesen
Now, granted, Alex Jones doesn't read the chat room and what have you.
jordan holmes
Right, right.
dan friesen
There has to be a part of him that is either in complete denial about that large chunk of his audience or just he has to shy away from it entirely and only listen to voices like this that are like you are the true version of America.
You have saved the international scene and now we will rebuild an international order.
jordan holmes
You know, I would say I think that's probably the most reasonable or relatable and human thing, though, is that, of course, you make compromises if you want to make a shit ton of money.
Like, that's part of the game.
unidentified
True.
jordan holmes
That's not something that's specific to Alex Jones.
It's unfortunate, or not unfortunate.
It's indicative of what a piece of shit he is willing to become.
dan friesen
The consequences are unfortunate.
jordan holmes
Yeah, the types of compromises he's willing to make.
But the simple idea of making compromises to your ethical or moral ideology in order to become a very wealthy man.
Well, that seems a very common theme with everybody who becomes wealthy.
dan friesen
I think that's the trajectory of his entire career, though, because the compromises that he clearly made when he infiltrated Bohemian Grove in heavy quotes.
Right, right.
The willingness to lie and misrepresent what he saw there in order to, in his mind, take down the banking elite or what have you.
That probably, on a certain level, is a noble goal.
You know what I mean?
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Our financial system is fucked.
There is an element of it that the end goal is reordering that to some extent and making sure that people are punished for financial crimes in the same way that someone with a joint is punished.
jordan holmes
Oh, I can't imagine.
dan friesen
That sort of thing is a noble goal, but once you go down the path of completely lying about them and saying they're all Satanists and amping up that rhetoric and adopting so much of this washed over anti-Semitism, what you do is you ruin the good pursuit that you have and all of the offshoots become so much more important to your audience.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And I think that's the story of his career, probably.
jordan holmes
But that's a brilliant move and a classic move on the part of the people who wrecked the economy that we're all pretty much aware now that the economy is fucked and it's unsustainable in its current, you know, as the stock market continues to rise, the only thing that every reasonable person should be thinking is, boy, how bad is the crash going to be?
dan friesen
Especially as the growth rate increases.
jordan holmes
And it has nothing to do with real wage increases as well.
dan friesen
No.
jordan holmes
That's when you know, because every time it's ever happened, there has been a spectacular crash.
The Dust Bowl was a thing.
unidentified
Right.
jordan holmes
You know, Hoovervilles were a thing.
dan friesen
And to a great degree, I don't know.
This is maybe like, because what ended up saving the world, and maybe the world, at least America, from the depression that we had was the New Deal and FDR, and that was Democratic Socialism.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
It may be.
jordan holmes
Of which you have become a card carrying member.
dan friesen
I don't have a card yet.
That might be the most important thing.
jordan holmes
That's the problem with the Democratic Socialists.
unidentified
They can't figure out the USPS.
dan friesen
It's a federal system.
jordan holmes
They got great ideas, but I'm telling you, the actual nuts and bolts of it, it's difficult to do.
dan friesen
Alex Jones wants to go back to the Pony Express.
It worked better.
But it might be the most important thing now to build that voice in America for the coming disaster.
Yeah.
Because those are the ideas that can save us from the inevitable future crash.
I don't know.
I don't know.
That's just some thoughts I've been kicking around in my head.
jordan holmes
But it's not going to happen until the crash happens.
That's the reality of Democratic Socialism.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
It's a prescriptive measure.
But it's never going to be a preventative measure.
dan friesen
It's better now to build up that voice than to start when the crash happens.
jordan holmes
No, I know.
And it'd be great if we had a national party who was like, this is the way to go.
This absolutely is what we need to do and align ourselves with, instead of a national party that's like, you guys are right, but what if we don't do what you say and instead keep getting a shit ton of money from billionaires?
dan friesen
You know what my theory is?
I worked this out a little bit.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
I believe that the Democrats and Republicans need each other because they are sort of warring versions of the same sort of thing.
They're both beholden to massive corporate interests.
They have slightly different hats they wear.
But in large part, and granted, the GOP has gone way off the track now.
jordan holmes
They're bananas.
unidentified
But I mean, to they're literal Nazis now.
dan friesen
Well, to look at it two years ago, they were sides of the same coin, and the GOP itself is still a largely corporate beholden special interest party, and so are the Democrats.
Yes.
The GOP is already crumbling to the libertarian patriot wing or whatever of it.
jordan holmes
The loony Nazis.
dan friesen
Which speaks to the defense of Roy Moore that we're seeing is bananas.
And the fact that they're fine with it.
Is it?
Yes, it is.
Because the part that supports him are the libertarian patriot wingdings.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And that is why he has the support he has.
If he was a mainline conservative GOP member like Paul Ryan or something like that.
jordan holmes
Or the fucker who got voted out in Virginia.
dan friesen
He would be fucked.
Yeah.
And that to me spells what we will see in the coming years.
I think in the next few years, you're going to see the corporate Republican establishment completely destroyed and replaced with this hyper-nativist pro-libertarian party.
jordan holmes
It's like if the Know-Nothing Party took over and became the national powerhouse.
dan friesen
The dangerous part about that is that libertarian party, the proto-libertarian, proto-is not the right word, but Nazis.
Right.
That party doesn't need the Democrats.
So they can fight much harder in a way that the Republican establishment would seek to maintain the Democrats as their foil.
Right.
That party wouldn't.
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
And that's scary because those corporate Democrats aren't going to fight back.
jordan holmes
And they don't understand.
They can't understand that because their only ideology is ultimately we think that it's fine so long as when you're fighting against people like Alex Jones who are like, okay, everybody who doesn't agree with us fucks kids.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
You're not going to be like, you're not going to be like, okay, well, we will give you a harder border.
dan friesen
Chuck School is vampire.
jordan holmes
Yeah, exactly.
So long as you stop calling us vampires.
That's your compromise.
Like, they're stupid.
dan friesen
Well, and there is no, like, it's not like there's no compromise.
It's that in the minds of the Alex Jonesian libertarian patriot right, there's no interest in compromise.
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
There's only interest in what he always talks about.
Crushing, growling.
jordan holmes
Yes.
It has nothing to do with governance.
It has nothing to do with policy.
No.
If you're ostensibly an originalist constitutional geo-peer, you can't vote for somebody who's violated the Constitution.
That's something that you can't justify.
If the guy you're voting for has been kicked out of his judgeship position twice for violating your Constitution that you fucking love so much, and then you're like, okay, yes, he's done that.
We're still going to vote.
Vote for him.
And then you're like, well, we hate pedophiles.
And it comes out that he is a pedophile.
dan friesen
He loves guns.
jordan holmes
You can't be like, oh, well, we're still going to vote for him.
dan friesen
He loves guns and he's into the Trump agenda in quotes.
And what that means is that the Democrats were setting him up.
jordan holmes
He makes liberals look bad.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
That's all they agree.
That's all they agree.
Yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
So I guess the bottom line.
jordan holmes
He's against political correctness, you know, like the political correctness of age of consent laws.
dan friesen
The point that I'm trying to get to, I believe, is that the left needs to get on board with that knowledge immediately.
And the time will come, and I think it'll come within the next few years, the dance of back and forth aspiring to reach across the aisle kind of stuff is not, it's not going to have any stock in trade.
jordan holmes
Yeah, but that was gone the moment we had a black president.
dan friesen
Fine, but fine.
There is a denial period, and Obama wasn't the best, even with aspirations of compromise and what have you.
He still fucked up a whole lot of shit.
jordan holmes
But due mainly to his obsession with compromise.
dan friesen
With Republicans and with financial interests and everything.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
dan friesen
But the point is, that game is over.
And it's not over because I'm saying you can't compromise with a patriot or with anything like that.
I'm saying it's over because that will not be on the table.
unidentified
Dan, do you know how happy I am to hear you say that?
dan friesen
I don't know.
I still don't think I'm as extreme as you.
jordan holmes
Do you know why I'm so happy about that?
dan friesen
Why is that?
jordan holmes
Is because you have disagreed with me on that very point for months now, and finally you have come to the realization that there is no further compromise available with these people.
dan friesen
I still believe that there are people who identify as conservatives out there in the world, citizens, who are not the problem that we're diagnosing.
jordan holmes
And I respect that, and I get, and I think that ultimately has been kind of a miscommunication between the two of us is matter of scale.
Right, right, right.
But we're both in agreement that there is a certain group that is not just unwilling to compromise, ideologically opposed to compromise.
unidentified
Yes.
jordan holmes
And in that situation, there's no possibility of compromise.
dan friesen
I'm agreeing with you in so much as there is a part of it now, but what I'm talking about more— And that's why white genocide is fine.
jordan holmes
Wait, what?
Oh, you weren't going to go there?
dan friesen
That wasn't.
jordan holmes
I'm sorry.
dan friesen
I apologize.
What I'm talking about is there will be within a matter of years, I believe, probably, and it gets exacerbated by election cycles too.
So 2018 is going to be a mess.
2020 is going to be a mess.
But I believe as we get closer to those, you're going to see a harsh swing in that direction with the people who are on the right in terms of the power base shifting.
And if people on the left don't prepare for that in some ways, they're going to get steamrolled.
It's going to be a complete disaster.
jordan holmes
Here's maybe the simplest explanation of why the Democratic Party itself is something that you should not trust in or appreciate.
And that is that imagine in 2018 that we wind up, that the Democrats wind up taking both the House and the Senate and wind up actually getting a supermajority.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Which is very possible at this point.
If you start to look at the election results that we've seen, it's entirely possible that the anti-Trump fervor will absolutely propel the Democrats to majorities in both.
Now, why is the Democratic Party the worst party that you want to have that?
Because they have fought for still won't impeach Trump.
dan friesen
Well, and they haven't fought for voting rights nearly as strongly enough.
Like, even with the results that we're seeing, even with the clear sentiment of a large portion of the population that shit's not going the way it should, if you have people who are disenfranchised, if you have people who are kicked off voter rolls, if you have these extreme gerrymandering situations, you're not going to be able to have the people's voice accurately displayed in the vote.
Of course not.
And the Democrats are complicit in that, too.
I mean, it's very easy to blame gerrymandering on the opposite party, but it's both parties.
Right.
Shit negotiation tactics.
jordan holmes
No, ultimately, whenever they so you can always find this shit somewhere where it's like, and people say there's no difference between Democrats and Republicans when you go into certain social issues, which is absolutely true.
The problem is that the underlying factors which have contributed to those social issues, those are the things that Democrats and Republicans have ideologically agreed on in the past.
When you talk about African American rights in regards to just police shootings and the way that they're incarcerated at a higher rate, yeah, Democrats don't want that to occur.
But Democrats are part of the reason it did.
Like, that's the reason that people say there's no difference between Democrats and Republicans, is because, sure, you can reactively say that we don't want all of this shit to happen.
But if you are part of the reason it happened, then you got a lot of shit that you should be fighting for much harder.
dan friesen
Yeah, I agree.
I agree wholeheartedly.
And we'll see what happens.
I hope everyone gets on board with something.
jordan holmes
It's going to be reactive.
That's how Americans always work.
dan friesen
That's why we have to be proactive.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Oh, well, we'll see.
Anyway, let's get to this next clip.
In this clip, Alexander Dugan.
jordan holmes
Anyways, Alexander Dugan is a monster.
translator russian
Good evening, Alex.
My name is Andrey Afanasiev, and I'm the host of The Russian Answer.
My show is about geopolitics, strategy, and diplomacy.
And we regularly follow you and your colleagues at Infowars, including your presence on social media.
jordan holmes
There should be another translator with subtitles underneath.
I've never listened to your show, actually.
translator russian
Coming from the swamps.
unidentified
Subliminal land, Kevin Nealon.
But after Clinton lost, they weren't able to accept it.
translator russian
It seems they don't have the strength of mind to recognize their defeat.
jordan holmes
Or they're suspicious about somebody else's.
dan friesen
They have such an important role in you guys.
translator russian
Which is you and your colleagues in the independent American patriot media.
jordan holmes
What they're really saying is that Americans underestimated Russia's ability.
That's what they're proud of.
translator russian
Civil war that is happening in America.
The same civil war is happening in Europe.
And in the same civil war, which was started 16 years ago in our country, the forces of good power have also been victorious.
But that's why we understand that today we are all in the same situation, whether it be Russians, Americans, or Europeans.
The globalists do not represent America.
They are the enemy of the American people.
And when you tell people Addressing your supporters, it sounds like a call to all the people worldwide to shake off the dominance of the globalist elites and establish in each of our countries our own American order in America, Russian order in Russia, Turkish order in Turkey, and this war and struggle is what unites us.
dan friesen
Interesting.
The Turkey was your very first straight list.
jordan holmes
That's a very strange list.
dan friesen
Turkey was the other.
Was the other one you wanted to bring up there?
jordan holmes
Comedy comes in threes.
It is kind of funny that Turkey is number three.
dan friesen
Right.
That might be a subconscious, like, eh, come on.
Come on.
You realize that we're all going to dictate.
jordan holmes
All right, come on, come on, guys.
dan friesen
The way of the world is.
jordan holmes
Putin gets to say whatever he wants.
unidentified
Come on.
translator russian
Prior to a certain point, the global corporations, transnational corporations, the globalist elites, were presented to us as the voice of the United States.
But thanks to Trump's victory, we now know that there is a difference difference between the American people, that's you, that's those who are the resistance to the globalist dictatorship, the political elites, which organize color revolutions against us.
jordan holmes
Still not regular people.
translator russian
And they, the Soroses, the Clintons, the Obama administration, the so-called deep state organized color revolutions against Trump, refusing to recognize the democratic victory of the American people.
jordan holmes
He lost by 3 million votes.
dan friesen
Well, but also, I mean, the idea that this argument of we fomented color revolutions in other countries is not accurate.
jordan holmes
It's not entirely inaccurate.
dan friesen
Well, there's a difference between fomenting them and supported people or perpetrating them outright.
There's a thin line.
But when you're trying to say that there has been an attempt to make a color revolution in America against Trump, at this point in history, after the election, there was only the women's march and the immediate anti-Trump march, which were not color revolutions.
jordan holmes
No, they were peaceful protests.
dan friesen
Which is pretty well covered under that old amendment.
jordan holmes
Yeah, but we're against it.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
We only like the Second Amendment.
dan friesen
you understand what i'm saying this underlies course well this underlies that there is a c there is a there's a perception that this peaceful protesting is a color revolution yeah And if you believe that, then you have to believe that what they're complaining about in these other countries, Georgia, for example, that Alex is certainly a scholar on, Ukraine, that these color revolutions that happened probably were just peaceful protests.
jordan holmes
Well, it's amazing how in Saudi Arabia you don't see any of those protests, right?
That's because everybody's happy.
dan friesen
Wilbur Ross said that.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
It's because everybody's happy.
dan friesen
Yeah, absolutely.
jordan holmes
It definitely has nothing to do with a horrible dictator regime that will crack down and murder you if you do.
Oh, man, I can't wait to have one of those.
translator russian
And all of us united have to think about how we can resist this elite.
unidentified
We, the people, defending it with the nationalist system.
translator russian
We have to engage in dialogue in terms of what do we want to build instead of globalism, another global volunteer.
This time, to build us not in opposition to NASA, not in opposition to Russia, not in opposition to Turkey, not so that we fight each other to protect our narrow national interests, which is what the globalists impose on us to fight with each other.
A civil war, we have to avoid this.
Still not allowing Alexander.
The communication and dialogue between us, exchange of ideas and differences.
jordan holmes
Is it on screen?
Oh, man, he must be pissed.
dan friesen
No, he looks like he's going to cry.
He never lets people talk, and he's let them talk for a good 15 minutes.
jordan holmes
Infinite amount of time in Alex Jones' world.
dan friesen
But he lets anybody talk if they're like saying you're the best.
And he's probably confused.
jordan holmes
You think so?
dan friesen
The ideas that are being espoused.
jordan holmes
Even Alex doesn't go that far.
dan friesen
Well, he triggered, like, there's a lot of words that trigger him, like globalists and those sorts of things.
And I've also realized, I should just call myself out for this.
I love how Alexander Dugan says globalists.
And so I kind of say globalists.
Whatever I say.
jordan holmes
Globalists.
dan friesen
I kind of do that.
I kind of do a little Dugan impression.
jordan holmes
Would you like to do a little Dugan?
dan friesen
Globalists.
But yeah, he's triggered by those words and whatever.
But he's just sitting there.
unidentified
He's like, what a snowflake.
dan friesen
You're so right.
You guys are so right.
I am awesome.
I am awesome.
jordan holmes
It's like he's getting a lifetime achievement award.
dan friesen
100%.
jordan holmes
That's exactly what it's happening.
dan friesen
Absolutely.
And he sees it as a culmination of his career, most likely.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Not realizing that.
jordan holmes
Furthermore, not realizing that that's a bad thing.
He does not want to reach the culmination of his career.
dan friesen
This way.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
dan friesen
Well, but also.
jordan holmes
Because that means it's the end of his career as well.
dan friesen
But he doesn't want to wrestle with the fact that he would be ashamed of himself five years in the past looking at what he's become.
Yeah.
I do believe that.
jordan holmes
You think so?
dan friesen
Because we go back and we look at the 2012 version of him before he was hawking these weird supplements.
He just had these fun big berkey water filters to hideyourguns.com.
jordan holmes
Hold on.
Movie pitch.
Right.
Movie pitch.
All right.
This is all a dream that he had when he was underneath that house in those toxic gases.
dan friesen
It's possible.
jordan holmes
We write the whole thing exactly as it is.
dan friesen
That's the Jacob's Ladder thing.
jordan holmes
And we do, yeah, exactly.
dan friesen
He's dying under that helmet.
jordan holmes
Oh, exactly.
No.
Or we do a Christmas carol thing.
Oh, shit.
The ghost of Buckley, which, by the way, Buckley has been dead since Alex was nine.
dan friesen
Okay, okay.
jordan holmes
So that's why Buckley is coming to visit him in a dream, right?
Then we got the other three ghosts.
dan friesen
Larry Nichols.
jordan holmes
Ghost of Christmas Past.
dan friesen
That's Larry Nichols.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
dan friesen
Ghost of Christmas in Arkansas Past.
jordan holmes
Ghost of Christmas Present?
That's Roger Stone.
dan friesen
Totally.
jordan holmes
Ghost of Christmas Future.
dan friesen
What about Pachenek?
jordan holmes
That's you.
unidentified
No.
jordan holmes
Yeah, you come back and you show him the Knowledge Fight grave where we've both been buried alongside each other.
Right.
dan friesen
I think Stone and Pachenek should be present.
Like, they should do it together.
I know that's kind of off script for a Christmas carol.
jordan holmes
Yeah, do they have to read their lines simultaneously?
dan friesen
And they should be bickering a little bit.
jordan holmes
You read like the old guys, like Statler and Waldorf.
That's what you got.
dan friesen
Bingo.
I'm Sam the Eagle.
Yep, yep.
There it is.
So it's a Muppet Christmas Carol.
A Muppet Nationalism Christmas Carol.
jordan holmes
Starring Captain Picard.
dan friesen
So at this point, Alexander Dugan has really just tongued the balls.
jordan holmes
Who also played a Nazi in the green room?
dan friesen
Wait, Dugan did?
jordan holmes
No, no, no.
unidentified
What?
jordan holmes
No, Captain Picard.
What's his name again?
dan friesen
Jean-Luc.
Patrick Stewart.
jordan holmes
Patrick Stewart.
No, he played a Nazi in the green room.
I highly recommend Green Room.
It's amazing.
Great film.
dan friesen
Sounds good.
jordan holmes
Great film.
Ali Ashall Shawkat is great.
From Arrested Development.
Fantastic.
dan friesen
So eventually, Alex Jones does get to speak.
And here's what he says.
alex jones
And they're so arrogant.
They write books.
You know, David Rockefeller, they've all written books.
Zbignibzinski admitting this.
I mean, people ask how I knew what was going to happen 20 years ago and how it all came true.
I don't have a crystal ball.
They write books admitting their plan, even admitting that it's maniacal, but they laugh at the public like they're too stupid to read it.
jordan holmes
Well, that's actually how they end the books with a maniacal laugh.
dan friesen
Dugan has got to be laughing in the middle of this interview.
Because I'm going to read this from this big think article.
To see what Dugan might advocate specifically, we can look to his best-selling book, The Foundation of Geopolitics from 1997, which had particular success among Russian military and, according to foreign policy and Dugan's own words, is assigned as a textbook at Russian military universities.
The book outlines a vision for Russia in the 21st century that would lead to Eurasia's formation, but also includes specific strategies for defeating or neutralizing the United States.
These include destabilization and disinformation campaigns, using Russian special forces and asymmetrical warfare, alliances between U.S. and countries like Germany and France.
jordan holmes
Never happened.
dan friesen
As well as fomenting division within the country itself, specifically singling out race relations.
jordan holmes
I can't see that happening.
dan friesen
On page 367 of the first edition of the book, Dugan explains, quote, it is essentially important to introduce geopolitical disorder into internal American activity.
They've never succeeded.
All kinds of separatism and ethnic, social, and radical conflicts, actively supporting all dissident movements, extremist, racist, and sectarian groups, thus destabilizing internal political processes in the United States.
It would also make sense simultaneously to support isolationist tendencies in American politics.
jordan holmes
Like who?
dan friesen
Like a guy named Trump.
So he wrote a book about this.
Alex Jones is a very good idea.
jordan holmes
Are you saying that he outlined his plan 20 years ago?
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
And that perhaps we could have known what was going to happen to us if we had read this book.
Well, and perhaps he's literally maniacally laughing right now.
dan friesen
As he has Alex.
jordan holmes
As he has Alex on the show, he is going, ha Idiot.
dan friesen
I mean, there are Russian companies that paid for troll accounts that specifically fomented race division on both sides as white nationalists and as black nationalists.
jordan holmes
No, there were so many Facebook setups and all of that stuff.
They've all come out, not all of them, but many of them have come out where you're like, wait a second, we got money from Russian sources.
We didn't even know.
How did they do that?
And it's like, well, because Facebook is evil and so on.
dan friesen
And they used cutouts and whatever.
And it all traces back.
And a lot of this fits suspiciously the philosophies and the plan laid out by Alexander Dugan in a book that he wrote in 1997 as a vision for Russia in the 21st century.
Also, I mean, if you want to talk about asymmetrical warfare, you can't get better than InfoWars.
No.
In terms of what we've been talking about already, the idea of branding your enemies as demons.
jordan holmes
Or not just that, but when you start talking about literal asymmetrical warfare, what else could you describe Syria as?
Russia doesn't really have anything to gain from fighting in Syria or even negotiating.
dan friesen
No, they have to.
unidentified
No, they have money that they've given to Assad.
jordan holmes
But that's exactly the point.
dan friesen
They can't do that.
jordan holmes
All that they're free doing.
Yeah, if they just said, nah, we're not going to do this, I don't think anybody would really notice except for the Syrians who are dying.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
And Assad.
dan friesen
It would be wild.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
It would be like, why are you guys doing that?
And they'd be like, well, because we really don't have anything to gain from it.
Not just that, but were you to depose Assad and put in somebody else, guess what?
We would still be able to negotiate a contract with them.
Because guess what?
You guys don't fucking live near here.
What are you doing here?
That's the larger question that we should be asking.
What is the United States doing there?
dan friesen
I don't know.
Well, I mean, I kind of know.
I think I.
jordan holmes
No, humanitarian efforts, but at the same time, we fucking bombed hospitals.
So what do you say about America?
dan friesen
Humanitarian efforts is the idealistic version of it.
But then beyond that, there are geopolitical reasons why, as a hinge, Syria is incredibly important.
jordan holmes
One of which is to counter the Russian asymmetrical warfare.
More or less.
dan friesen
It's kind of comical on a certain point.
jordan holmes
It is a silly Ouroboros.
dan friesen
And a lot of it is laid out in Alexander's book that he put out, and Alex getting on the show and talking about David Rockefeller's books.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Or Zbignou Brzezinski's books.
Or that John P. Holdren textbook that he always goes back to.
jordan holmes
Oh, it's all in there.
dan friesen
I've read these things and they don't say what he acts like they say.
So the fact that he is talking about how these globalists put out these things about how they're going to poison the water supply and they think you're too stupid to read them.
It's like, Alex, you're misrepresenting those.
Meanwhile, the guy that you're talking to did put out a book that very clearly, unfortunately, we couldn't have known until now has laid out what happened to us last year.
Perfect plan.
And you were a part of it.
You were a fucking part of it, Alex.
jordan holmes
That'll be interesting to see in the history books written by, of course, the fish people who survive in our post-climate change world.
dan friesen
Who then have happy faces?
jordan holmes
They will be so happy.
dan friesen
No more human terror on their face.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
They don't even have to deal with humans at all.
dan friesen
Because global warming will have lifted up the sea level to the point where they can live anywhere.
jordan holmes
They will actually rule the.
Like, look, Planet of the Apes, unbelievable.
Planet of the Fishmen?
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
Totally true.
dan friesen
There will be a forbidden zone, but it'll be different.
It'll be underwater.
jordan holmes
In the forbidden zone.
Made uninhabitable by man.
No, the history books, it seems like Dugan should play such a huge part in this in the retelling of this circumstance.
dan friesen
Let me give a slight caveat, just in case we're trying to paint him as a mastermind or anything like that.
jordan holmes
No, no, no, no.
dan friesen
There may be more important figures that I'm unaware of who have espoused similar things to him.
That's entirely possible.
I would say the only reason that he comes up so much in terms of our investigation is he is a very legitimate philosopher in terms of putting out philosophy books and geopolitical strategy books.
And he exists in InfoWars.
He exists as someone who Alex Jones clearly has interacted with.
He's on Alex's show.
Alex has been on his show.
And the fact that he's on Alexander Dugan's show fairly close after the election means to me that they were in contact before.
Of course.
And not only that, I have to assume that other people that Alex Jones is in, or in his periphery, were in touch with him.
People like the Paul Craig Robertses, people who are the guests on RT that Alex also has on his show.
robert david steels those types of people were probably there's a i can't see a world where there isn't some communication between these folks And that doesn't mean that there's some sort of crazy conspiracy.
That just means they were in contact before the reveal the prestige, as it were, which is Alex going on Dugan Show.
jordan holmes
No, I'm not saying he's going to go down in history as the big guy, but he should be in the Heinrich Himmler role.
There's a certain part of all of this that can be traced directly back to his ideas.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
And if his textbooks, again, his ideas might have been building on other people's ideas too.
No, of course.
It's fairly possible.
dan friesen
Of course.
jordan holmes
But he fucking nailed it.
dan friesen
It's tough to get away from that.
It's tough to get away from these things that he has espoused since 1990.
jordan holmes
I suppose your other argument against that, though, is it's a pretty tried and true plan.
Sure.
I mean, it's a solid plan.
It's worked in the past.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
On a smaller scale, this is the first time it's been pulled off on a global scale.
I would not think that's how we took down Venezuela and that kind of shit.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Like, it's essentially the same plan.
dan friesen
I mean, I imagine.
Or Guatemala.
jordan holmes
Or Guatemala.
dan friesen
With bananas.
jordan holmes
Yeah, exactly.
dan friesen
But, yeah.
I don't know.
jordan holmes
Or Hawaii.
That's how we got them.
dan friesen
Listen, I live there.
I'm very sensitive about King Kamehameha.
jordan holmes
I know.
We fucking murdered everybody.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So we got one last clip of Alex's appearance on Alexander Dugan's show.
Yeah.
It's just a long chunk because Alex.
jordan holmes
Is he allowed to talk?
dan friesen
Yeah, and he switches into Alex on InfoWars mode.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
Super interesting because we get to see some of the narratives that he spouts on InfoWars.
jordan holmes
And how Dugan responds to them?
dan friesen
Not really, because you can just sort of hear him.
You can hear stuff in the background, but that's because they have a translator.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Because Dugan doesn't speak English.
He speaks Russian and some English.
So there's muttering in the background from a translator.
And here we go.
jordan holmes
That translator must be having a great day.
dan friesen
Oof.
alex jones
I was able to take it, put it into pop culture, make it interesting, and now people understand the score.
More and more people see it, and that's why the political elites tamporting right now.
And that's why it's so exciting to see humanity coming out of the dark ages into the true information age and seeing the internet that the globalists hijacked from DARPA that they thought would be a tool of surveillance and control and seeing it all blow up in their face.
It's a very magic time to be alive.
We have the initiative, but we just can't let these globalist nihilists start a nuclear war in some type of fit because Hitler in his bunker in 1945, as the Russians were closing in from the East and the Allies from the Americas from the West, if he would have had nukes, he would have launched him and blown up the world.
So the problem is we have Hitlers today, Hitler-type psyches that'll overturn the whole world in their power.
unidentified
Like a child tweeting, calling fat over there.
jordan holmes
Another child tweeting back at him or responding to him or a dictator who is clearly cleverer than most of the other world leaders that we're dealing with, despite his rampant James Bond villain aspect.
dan friesen
That's weird.
But also, this underlies something that Alex has talked about a whole bunch, and that is that he believes that Hitler didn't die in that bunker.
So he's making a metaphor that unfortunately presupposes Trump isn't going to behave like that, which he has.
But also presupposes that he doesn't really give a shit if Hitler died in that bunker.
He's just going to use it for political points whenever he wants.
jordan holmes
Okay, but if Hitler did, so I'm ambiguous on whether or not I care about whether or not Hitler died in that bunker.
dan friesen
I'm inclined to believe he didn't.
jordan holmes
I like to think that he died in a knife fight in Brazil.
dan friesen
Okay.
jordan holmes
That'd be fun.
dan friesen
Sure.
I'm inclined to believe he didn't, but if he did, cool.
And if he didn't, also, I mean, we have much bigger issues.
Project Paperclips does exist.
Like, that was real.
jordan holmes
Unless Hitler is still alive.
In which case, I don't know if we have any life extension technology.
unidentified
Exactly.
dan friesen
He found the holographic story.
jordan holmes
Now there we go.
dan friesen
Oh, no.
jordan holmes
Now we figured it all out.
It's actually Hitler this whole time.
dan friesen
And you know what?
The best way to disguise yourself is to become Russian and get a huge beard.
Maybe Dugan is holographic medbed survived.
Who cares?
This is stupid.
jordan holmes
Actually, you know what?
I'm going to go with Rex Tillerson, voice from Brazil.
dan friesen
Interesting.
jordan holmes
He is a clone of Hitler.
dan friesen
Well, but like the...
jordan holmes
You heard it here.
dan friesen
The idea that Hitler did survive and lived.
jordan holmes
The alternate universe news from next year today.
dan friesen
We have so many people who should have been punished because they had scientific expertise and we didn't want Russia to absorb them.
We just like, get over here.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
We did a ton of that.
And the idea that Hitler would have escaped punishment is tragic in historical hindsight.
But if it did happen, it just sort of falls in line with we clearly weren't really interested in punishing anybody if they had something to offer us.
So that part of it, whatever.
jordan holmes
The Nuremberg trials didn't hit everybody.
dan friesen
And the idea, like, the CIA would have lied about that, I don't really think is that big a deal.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
Like, if the CIA did know that Hitler escaped to South America and lived out his years as some sort of like fake monk or whatever, I believe that's what some people believe.
I haven't done too deep a dive into it.
But if they did lie about it and say that he died, I don't really think that's the biggest lie in the world.
I think history should correct it, but at the same time, I don't think that's nefarious.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
Because for national morale, it is a good thing to believe that he died.
jordan holmes
So you're saying that Osama bin Laden is still alive.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
And he's in South America getting into knife fights with Hitler.
Tiller's.
jordan holmes
And hey, why not?
Pol Pot is in there too.
unidentified
Sure.
jordan holmes
Throw them all in there.
Now, see, that's a TV show right there.
dan friesen
That's like the real world.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
What happens when seven should be dead terrorists end up?
Let's finish this clip.
alex jones
Our quest to stay in control and to keep on willing to ensure that better minds in the intelligence agencies, the military, and other airs, who really I've been critical of previously, but who've been the unsung heroes behind the scenes, not just here, but also in Russia, blocking the globalists from their megalomaniacal activities.
And that's really the most important point I could make.
unidentified
Alex, I have one question for you.
And my question is, you crazy, bro.
How you ever get over the stereotype, the wrong stern type, that Russia is still the Soviet Union?
Great question.
alex jones
Well, I just study history, and I mean, if you know that Russia was exploited by multinationals, just like China was a couple of years ago.
dan friesen
So, real quick, before we get back into that, because there is some truth to the idea that the oligarchs did wield very corrupt power in Russia for a time, but the idea has had perhaps the longest-running stretch of the worst governments for man, they are amazing at it.
But I want to point out the true comedy of Alex Jones being on Russian television, and some guy asks him, how do you disabuse yourself of the wrong notion that Russia is still the Soviet Union on the show of a guy who has espoused the creation of the Eurasian Union, which is essentially the recreation of the Soviet Union?
That's bizarre.
And then Alex should be like, I study history.
jordan holmes
You know what's even more amazing about that?
That's almost an incredulous question from them.
Like, how do you lie to yourself about what we're doing?
dan friesen
That's how I heard it.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
That's how I heard it phrased.
jordan holmes
Let's go.
They're shocked by it.
Like, how are you so stupid that you convince yourself what we're doing is not the most obvious thing?
dan friesen
I've scrolled back impossibly too far, but let's listen to the tone of that again because I do think that that's kind of he has to correct himself.
The wrong notion.
You know, like, how do you free yourself from the notion?
The wrong notion.
unidentified
Alex, I have one question for you.
And my question is, how do you ever get over the stereotype, the wrong stereotype, that Russia is still the Soviet Union?
alex jones
Well, I just study history, and I mean, if you know what you're supported by multinationals, just like China was a couple hundred years ago when it was under colonial control, and it was basically manipulated.
And from my research, I mean, you guys know more than I do, obviously being in Russia, but some of those corrupt kingpins and people, some were worse than others, just made deals to exploit the resources and the people.
And then Russia started coming out of that with the collapse of the Soviet Union, and then basically was then able to kick the oligarchs out who thought they'd just privatize Russia and exploit it.
You've still got problems, obviously, with corruption, like everybody does, but you're coming out of it, coming up from the bottom like a swimmer coming towards the surface.
And the United States is still kind of hitting the bottom.
And hopefully we can follow Russia's lead and come back up to the surface as well.
unidentified
You know how you get up from the bottom of the infrastructure.
dan friesen
You suppress the press.
jordan holmes
No, everybody gets guns.
unidentified
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
Because you're going to go down and then you fly up.
Black in space.
dan friesen
Yeah, that's really smart.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
That's very smart.
jordan holmes
That's why the Second Amendment is important.
Getting up from the bottom of a pool.
alex jones
Stabilize families, stabilize the Russian culture, resuscitate it from the long communist nightmare, and bring a true free market, more Renaissance innovation back, which I welcome and think is a wonderful thing.
And I think Americans fundamentally look at what we always learned about Russia, some of it true, some of it not, and it's corruption and it's authoritarianism.
And we see those very authoritarianisms being set up here.
jordan holmes
Oh, you're so close.
alex jones
We laugh.
We know that we're going to be the globalist and the big corporations screwing us over.
And to say the Russian boogeyman that's trying to get on its feet, I mean, it just doesn't work.
Russia has a GDP, as you know, of Italy, and it's certainly not manipulating this country.
We know who's manipulating us, and it's the Fortune 100.
And so we want those oligarchs, those outside modernists.
jordan holmes
So close.
alex jones
We want our country back.
We want Americanism, not globalism.
We want a Russian national system of pride and success and wealth and not globalism.
We want to all compete with each other and add to each other with good sportsmanlike conduct of the human species.
jordan holmes
And openly kill gay people.
Isn't that rich?
alex jones
Instead of having a lot of government where Obama tells Africa you can't have cars and air conditioning when I'm fasting on a jumbo jet.
We fundamentally reject the new world order of the globalist, of the eugenicist, of the vestigial British Empire, not the British people, but the British Empire itself.
Look at how the EU and this whole global system is being rejected from the very place it sprouted, England.
I mean, the Brits aren't bad people.
They've been exploiting for this global empire, and they're understanding it now as well.
So there's a huge awakening, and I think it started with people like Barry Goldwater, Ron Paul, Alexander Schultz and Eitson understood it.
And we're different people from different perspectives seeing the same thing because it's not comedy comes in threes.
We're seeing the real world and the globalists can't stand it.
dan friesen
So Barry Goldwater, crazy.
jordan holmes
Super crazy.
dan friesen
Ron Paul, deeply racist past.
Super crazy.
And then also some good ideas about non-interventionism and what have you.
jordan holmes
Yep, yep.
They always get you.
dan friesen
Doesn't make up for a deeply racist past.
jordan holmes
That's how they get you.
dan friesen
And then Alexander Soltzenitsen, great man.
Lived through the gulags.
jordan holmes
Winner of six Edwards Awards for committing racist acts.
dan friesen
Very, very strange trio.
So that's the end of the clips that we have.
But as a little bit of a punchline, I'm going to go through some of these RT videos that I didn't pull clips from because, you know, I can't get everything taken.
You can find all these on YouTube.
The UN is a Nazi movement.
These are clips put out by RT with Alex Jones, and these are the headlines that they've given them, as if they're using him as propaganda.
unidentified
No idea.
dan friesen
The UN is a Nazi movement.
The UN needs to be abolished.
Alex Jones talks Texas secession.
Where's the one?
Al-Qaeda was created by the CIA.
jordan holmes
That's true.
dan friesen
They just posted a clip of him getting in a fight with anti-Trump protesters.
No story there, just them calling.
jordan holmes
Check this shit out.
dan friesen
Alex Jones and gay rituals at Bohemian Grove.
The media put a spin on WikiLeaks.
Total Control Grid designed to predict the future.
There's one in here.
jordan holmes
I like that one.
That one, not related to the others in the same way.
dan friesen
No, I can't.
It's not scrolling down here.
Oh, here you are.
Anders Breivik was a Mason's Patsy.
jordan holmes
Oh, that's true.
dan friesen
Are you fucking kidding me?
jordan holmes
No, that's 100% true.
unidentified
Holy shit.
jordan holmes
Anders Breivik?
dan friesen
He's not a Mason's Patsy.
jordan holmes
Haven't you seen Anders Breivik's first movie?
I'm a Mason's Patsy?
dan friesen
Do you know who that is?
jordan holmes
It's a wonderful Brevik.
He's from that movie, right?
dan friesen
No.
He's a banker.
He set off a bomb in Norway.
jordan holmes
No, I know the guy.
I know.
He shot up a bunch of sugars.
I know the guy.
I know.
He's a fucking monster that other people have hailed as a hero for his fucking white supremacist bullshit.
Yes, I'm aware.
And there was another copycat.
Yeah, there was another copycat that's followed after him.
Like, he's been a huge influence on the white supremacist movement.
dan friesen
And Paul Joseph Watson, to go back to our last episode, would probably call him a libertarian blogger.
jordan holmes
Loves him.
Loves him, libertarian blogger.
dan friesen
So, I mean, look, I don't think that we've proved anything necessarily in this exploration of Alex Jones' time on Russian television.
jordan holmes
But according to a certain level burden of proof, I agree.
According to.
dan friesen
Because you hadn't heard any of this.
jordan holmes
Do you remember in old Do you remember that old duck season, Wabbit season?
dan friesen
Looney tunes?
jordan holmes
Bugs Bunny and Daffy Duck?
You remember how eventually they get to the point where Elmer Fudd?
Daffy Duck has put up a million different signs, all shaped like arrows, pointing directly towards Bugs Bunny's hole.
Yeah.
Saying rabbit.
dan friesen
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
That's where I'm at.
dan friesen
That's how you feel?
jordan holmes
It's not 100% proof.
You haven't gone inside of the rabbit hole and pulled Bugs Bunny out.
dan friesen
Yes.
jordan holmes
But I'll be goddamned if there aren't a million signs pointing to that hole where one particular rabbit may be sitting smugly chewing on a carrot.
dan friesen
And that rabbit, I mean, it's not Alex.
jordan holmes
No, absolutely not.
dan friesen
The rabbit is Dugan.
jordan holmes
Alex is the dumb idiot who's confused by whoever's saying rabbit season.
dan friesen
I think our Looney Tune metaphor is going to fall apart.
jordan holmes
I think I'm crushing it.
Okay, let's just call him Porky Pig.
Let's call him Porky Pig because at the end of the episode, when we're all dead, he'll be like, I'm still here, motherfuckers.
dan friesen
That's all, folks.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
As the nukes go off in the background.
I don't know, man.
I mean, it's a bummer, but it doesn't.
jordan holmes
To me, Dr. InfoWars are how I learned to stop worrying and love the, wait, what?
dan friesen
The, uh.
jordan holmes
I'm a racist, huh?
dan friesen
To me, quite frankly, all of this just mirrors all the stuff we've already seen on his own show.
But it's interesting to look at what he is willing to say and where he's at on foreign media.
And not just foreign media.
It's foreign media run, in this case, by state-owned propaganda outlets.
And a philosopher who has espoused plans to crush America or neutralize America.
jordan holmes
Striking resemblance to plans that were affected correctly.
dan friesen
And when you look at the fact that he is willing to push the Russian version of history on Russian television, and RT has now been forced to sign up as a foreign agent.
Right.
It's bad.
It's a bad look.
jordan holmes
Well, when you talk about collusion, so what exactly practically is the difference between collusion and cooperation, right?
Now, collusion would suggest that prior to pulling off all of these narratives, they discussed it and reacted accordingly and put out the same things, similar timing.
At the same time, cooperation just suggests, I see this person with similar motives.
I am going to amplify them.
He sees me with similar motives.
I am going to amplify him.
dan friesen
And that's not a crime.
jordan holmes
No, it's not a crime.
But in effect, it's the same result.
So who fucking cares whether or not it is collusion or cooperation?
They need to be fought and destroyed in the same regard.
So whether or not you want to say that whether or not you want to say that Alex is on the payroll is immaterial to actually solving the issue, which is that Alex is beholden at least and ultimately is on the payroll.
Like whenever you get an inflated viewership number, you're going to get better ads shit.
You're going to get better exposure in the same way that Trump got $2 billion worth of free advertisement from our shitty.
Yeah, exactly.
In the same way, it doesn't fucking matter where or whether or not it's a direct payout.
It is still a payout.
dan friesen
Well, Alex even talks about that.
Like if you go and watch MSNBC or NBC, you'll see ads for Northrop Grumman.
And it's like, what are they going to sell a tank to a consumer?
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Whatever.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
That's a payoff.
They have the ad there as a way so they can give them money.
And you're like, okay, Alex.
Sure.
jordan holmes
Now think about that.
dan friesen
Let's take a step back.
jordan holmes
Slight little bit.
dan friesen
So, yeah, I mean, there are different ways of looking at it.
I agree that the nuts and bolts of it are not super important.
What is super important is the effect it has.
Yeah.
And the effect is, unfortunately, where we are now.
jordan holmes
Which, again, gets us back to why the Democratic Party is such an ineffectual group of people, at least at the top.
dan friesen
And a lot of the media.
jordan holmes
Yeah, exactly.
dan friesen
Because this story is right in front of everyone's faces.
jordan holmes
And it always comes back to billionaires.
It always comes back to the oligarchs.
They need to be destroyed.
That's ultimately what democratic socialism, that's the goal at the end of it, is.
We can't have this level of inequality because that leads to an inequality in power.
That's the whole point.
dan friesen
Well, it's one of the main points.
jordan holmes
It's one of the main points.
It's from which you find so many other social justice platforms.
Once you expand power to a far more equivalent extent, you wind up finding many of those other issues are solved along the way.
And it's unfortunate that we can still kind of diagnose it.
Like, we can all aware that that's the problem.
dan friesen
Alex even is.
jordan holmes
Alex is aware that it's the problem.
So many people are aware that the issue is, like with the opioid crisis, regardless of whether or not you are on the right or the left, everybody is aware people are overdosing.
Everybody is kind of aware that there was a massive advertisement campaign based on these companies that wanted to sell extremely addictive heroin to many people.
dan friesen
And they handled laws written by people who are in the pocket of big farms.
jordan holmes
Because they were in their pocket.
We all know that.
They're just so smart, or at least they're clever enough.
They have a low-level cunning to convince a massive section of the population that it is, in fact, the people who are trying to help them who are the cause of their problem.
And that is the sleight of hand that will destroy the human race.
dan friesen
Well, the sleight of hand to Alex's portion of it, too, is this he has these ads that are all like conservatism is the counterculture.
And these sort of ideas that he puts out, when in reality, even with Trump, really, it's just the maintenance of a gross status quo.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
It's not really – Trump isn't counterculture.
He's not.
He's not really fighting globalists.
He's on board with a lot of the things that Alex is saying.
I'm certain of that.
jordan holmes
He'll never put Goldman Sachs people.
Hillary's in the Goldman Sachs campaign.
Five out of his eight cabinet members were Goldman Sachs people within the first week.
dan friesen
Yeah, it's nonsensical to some extent.
But the other piece of it that is more dangerous, I think he does agree with Alex on, and that is some of the geopolitical ideas that he has in terms of rejiggering power dynamics and getting away from the UN and those sorts of things, which, again, I mean, we've gone over this already even in this episode.
The UN is problematic in many ways, but it is necessary and would come up no matter what alignment you have in terms of nationalism, globalism, all this stuff.
You would have that body in some form or another.
jordan holmes
Well, what we're finding out with Trump, I think, is that we can either fight domestic policy or foreign policy.
We can't successfully fight both.
Like on domestic policy, we're fighting really hard.
We're trying to keep health care.
We're trying to keep them from destroying the tax code.
dan friesen
It's under attack.
jordan holmes
At the same time, they are dismantling the EPA.
They are dismantling their appointing judges who are literally people who have never tried a case before, which is spectacular.
And that's something that is in the news that we won't even remember next week.
We'll have no idea.
Because then we're going to be off on why is he in fucking China ruining everything?
dan friesen
Why did Roy Morris still win?
jordan holmes
Yeah, exactly.
And we keep going back and forth.
We can fight one or the other, but when we're fighting both, we're going to wind up losing on both fronts.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So it's the question of like – But that is the neutralization of America that is sought by these quote-unquote anti-globalist powers that really aren't against globalists so much as they are against the encroachment of the U.N. which is holding up international sanctions against encroaching on your fucking neighbors like you did in Georgia and Ukraine.
jordan holmes
Which is even crazier, or not crazier.
It is kind of interesting because many of the UN nation states often espouse that very similar center-right policy that they like so much.
It's just they don't get their countries back.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
That's the only real disagreement at the end of the day between the klepto-fascist UN and the klepto-fascist Russians.
dan friesen
Congratulations.
We're all going to die.
Anyway, let's wrap this up.
jordan holmes
Oh, do you mean by solving foreign policy issues?
dan friesen
No, because in recognition that we won't, let's just not try.
jordan holmes
Okay, fair enough.
dan friesen
But we can solve that.
jordan holmes
That's not a very democratic socialist attitude.
dan friesen
I can solve one problem.
If you need to go to a website, I have a suggestion.
It's knowledgefight.com.
Go to our website.
Yep, check it out.
jordan holmes
Some asshole writes a blog every Thursday.
That's true.
It's garbage.
Don't worry.
dan friesen
Oh, it's trash.
jordan holmes
Fucking all I do is rewrite Pez.
dan friesen
You can go to our Twitter.
We're at knowledge underscore fight.
We're also on Facebook.
jordan holmes
You can go to iTunes.
You can subscribe.
You can leave a review.
You can share it on the internet with people.
dan friesen
If you'd like to support us on our website, we do have a button that says support the show.
And we would appreciate anybody becoming a policy wonk.
It really, really helps.
jordan holmes
And we've added a new level in between foreign policy wonk and globalist is a coyote.
Oh, coyote.
You're going to join my group of my roving band of coyotes.
dan friesen
Now you will have to get gene therapy and become part coyote to become a human animal chimera.
jordan holmes
It's a strange thing.
I wrote a paper about it in the 80s.
I've been telling people about this for years.
dan friesen
Yeah, only Alex Jones has ever paid attention.
It's weird.
jordan holmes
He's the only one who reads my blog.
I'll tell you that right now.
dan friesen
Beyond that, we appreciate you listening.
jordan holmes
Absolutely.
dan friesen
Now, here's one thing that didn't come up in my research that I think is weird.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
I could not.
jordan holmes
CIA dentists?
dan friesen
I could not find an instance of Larry Nichols being on RT, which seems weird.
jordan holmes
That does seem weird.
dan friesen
Because they're very anti-Hillary.
Like, a lot of the times that these people who are InfoWars characters are on there, there's anti-Hillary shit in it.
You'd think they'd call Larry.
jordan holmes
Absolutely.
dan friesen
His phone number is public.
You'd think they'd just give him a ring.
jordan holmes
Fuck, if we can call Larry, Russian intelligence can probably call him.
dan friesen
Yeah, you'd think it'd get, and that's weird.
Another person, John Rappaport.
jordan holmes
What about him?
dan friesen
Can't find him on RT.
That one makes more sense.
jordan holmes
That one makes a lot more sense.
Even RT is like, what the fuck do we do with this guy?
dan friesen
This guy's boring.
jordan holmes
Can you hang up that goddamn picture?
dan friesen
That's got to be like the Russians, one thing.
They're tidy people.
They prefer if you hang up pictures.
jordan holmes
Is that a Russian thing?
dan friesen
I don't know.
jordan holmes
At the breadline?
dan friesen
I don't know.
jordan holmes
Pictures were always hung up at the breadline.
dan friesen
I really wish I would have prepared in any way and learned how to say, go fuck yourself in Russia.
That would be amazing.
jordan holmes
That would be amazing.
dan friesen
Anyway, go fuck yourself, John Rappaport.
alex jones
Andy in Kansas, you're on the air.
Thanks for holding.
jordan holmes
Hello, Alex.
dan friesen
I'm a first-time caller.
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I'm a huge fan.
alex jones
I love your work.
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