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Oct. 20, 2017 - Knowledge Fight
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#94: October 19, 2017

Knowledge Fight dissects Alex Jones’ October 19, 2017, broadcast, where he falsely claimed Mueller delivered uranium to Russia in 2015 (actually 2009) and peddled debunked conspiracy theories about Democrats, including Hillary Clinton’s alleged arms deals and Joe Biden’s State of the Union distortions. Jones also misrepresented Roger Stone’s ties to Russian intelligence and exploited fear-mongering tropes—like Hollywood "devil worshipers"—while conflating communism and fascism with 220M vs. 60M death claims, ahistorical and manipulative framing. His rhetoric, blending unverified sources (e.g., Tosh Plumley) and personal grievances, reveals a pattern of lies to deflect from his own inconsistencies, ultimately undermining credibility by weaponizing tribalism and dehumanizing opponents. [Automatically generated summary]

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alex jones
infowars 22:46
d
dan friesen
36:44
j
jordan holmes
26:13
Appearances
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joe biden
d 01:00
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millie weaver
02:18
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Speaker Time Text
alex jones
Andy in Kansas, you're on the air.
Thanks for holding.
unidentified
Hello, Alex.
I'm a first-time caller.
I'm a huge fan.
I love your work.
alex jones
I love you.
dan friesen
Hey, everybody.
Welcome back to Knowledge Fight.
I'm Dan.
alex jones
I'm Jordan.
dan friesen
We are two dudes.
I like to sit around, drink novelty beverages, and talk a little bit about Alex Jones.
jordan holmes
What are we drinking today, Dan?
dan friesen
Well, I am drinking RIPIT energy.
It's very American.
American flags all over this thing.
Actually, the silhouette of a soldier there, if you can see.
I believe these are 99 cents at most gas stations.
jordan holmes
You betcha.
That's the twist today.
We stand against Colin Kaepernick somehow.
dan friesen
Oh, boy.
jordan holmes
Yeah, no, never.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Never going to happen.
dan friesen
No.
But what do you got?
jordan holmes
I have Arizona's very sugary grape aid.
dan friesen
Super sugary.
jordan holmes
Super sugary.
dan friesen
Three servings with my dude.
Oh, yeah.
That's a lot.
jordan holmes
Let me tell you something.
dan friesen
What?
jordan holmes
Tastes delicious.
dan friesen
I know a lot about Alex Jones.
jordan holmes
I don't know anything about Alex Jones.
dan friesen
There we go.
jordan holmes
That's it.
dan friesen
So, Jordan, it's good to be back together.
That's why I played Wu-Tang's Reunited right before the show.
jordan holmes
No, I heard it.
I heard it.
I was there.
dan friesen
We got some big business to go over today.
We got some interesting breaks in the world.
Alex has some real stupid things he says.
But also, he made what I'm going to call a critical error.
He made a very big fuck-up, and I am going to lay out exactly what he did wrong.
jordan holmes
All righty, sounds good.
dan friesen
Actually, he made two really big fuck-ups.
unidentified
Oh, shit.
dan friesen
And one is much more important than the other.
jordan holmes
Like Schwarber when he dropped that ball in left field and then kicked it into the – wait, what?
dan friesen
Come on with your cubs shit.
unidentified
Sorry.
Sorry.
dan friesen
I would like to get your mind off the Cubs and how they're losing right now.
jordan holmes
They are losing right now.
dan friesen
And I will do that with an out-of-context drop from Alex Jones.
alex jones
Fine!
jordan holmes
That'd be great.
dan friesen
Come on, you gotta.
jordan holmes
I'm sorry.
I just can't deal with fine.
And then a long-ass pause without being like, yeah, that's an excellent out-of-context drop.
dan friesen
From the top.
jordan holmes
Okay.
alex jones
Fine.
I renounce Jesus Christ.
dan friesen
Oh, boy.
jordan holmes
There we go.
dan friesen
There we go.
So that one's just for me.
That one's very out of context.
But so, Alex, today, we're going over on this episode, we're going to be going over the October 19th episode of the Alex Jones program with a couple of pieces of evidence from other days to use as a comparison.
Today's show, I want to say one thing.
He's really pushing really hard about his show for tomorrow, for Friday.
unidentified
All right.
jordan holmes
Well, that's not great.
dan friesen
He has some guests who are exposing pedophiles in Hollywood, and they may or may not have made a documentary that has nothing to do with Sawman Sawyer.
jordan holmes
Disappointing.
dan friesen
The way Alex is ramping it up, I'm pretty sure he is about to get sued.
He is working himself into a PR stunt lawsuit.
Like, he's going to say something he shouldn't in this interview.
It's like, oh, man, Jerry Bruckheimer is going to sue the shit out of me.
jordan holmes
Oh, of course.
dan friesen
Something like that is going to happen.
I smell it.
jordan holmes
Either that or the entire religion of Scientology is going to come down on him hard.
dan friesen
Yeah, yeah.
Wouldn't that be a wild turn of events?
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
I don't know who I'm rooting for in that situation.
dan friesen
I hate you both.
I hope you destroy each other.
jordan holmes
Yeah, exactly.
dan friesen
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
I hope the courtroom accidentally lights on fire.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So a lot of this episode is him pimping tomorrow's show.
There's a good bit of that, and we don't really have any of that retained in here.
But we do have a return appearance from Rainbow Snatch herself.
Oh, Millie Weaver.
jordan holmes
Now I'm excited.
dan friesen
Millie.
jordan holmes
As Rainbow Snatch or just as Millie Weaver.
Do you think they're ever going to do Rainbow Snatch again?
I don't think so.
I think they got enough feedback on that where they're like, ooh, this is bad.
Neither of us have improv training.
dan friesen
The reviews in the trade papers were scathing.
It's not good.
jordan holmes
Not good.
Hollywood reporter did not give it two thumbs up.
dan friesen
The opposite of Hamilton was Nebro Snatch.
So let's start off the show how Alex starts off.
This is some nonsense.
alex jones
Fine!
It's the broadcasts that I know are particularly historical and important where I really attempt before we go live to just calm down and slow down before I turn into the Tasmanian devil from Texas.
jordan holmes
The Tasmanian devil.
alex jones
Anybody that's been listening for even a decade or 20 years knows I can be very negative.
But people also know that I'm not going to tell you that we're winning if we're not winning.
I'm not going to tell you that we're having spectacular victories by the day against the globalist unless it's really happening.
Now, that's shit.
I got a really good feeling and I got a really bad feeling.
Best of times, worst of times.
The world's a paradox.
Because the globalists are going to strike back and they're going to strike back hard.
And they've been striking back.
dan friesen
They have.
alex jones
But nevertheless, they are being routed.
And I'm going to tell you who is the main icebreaker going through their lies.
His name is Donald John Trump.
Oh, he's from New York City.
jordan holmes
He seems like a good icebreaker at the party.
dan friesen
Oh, he'd be the best.
alex jones
Yeah.
And I just love the fact that the globalists took over one of the most American cities, pure Americana, and turned it into a globalist command base.
But that's the way God works.
That city of corrupt globalism is now being retaken out of Babylon comes a great man of change and courage who is the catalyst for devastating victories right now.
I mean, Trump is leveling the playing field.
He is doing two-way streets with China.
He's taking care of American workers, our veterans.
It's incredible.
Everything Trump's strong on, they try to make his weakness.
That's why he tries to get charities to give $25,000 to $50,000 to every veteran that's killed in combat, every active duty soldier, sailor, Marines.
Member of the Air Force.
And that's why he tries to personally visit them or give them multiple phone calls.
And because that's one of his big strengths, he personally gives money or gets a charity to give money.
They make it his weakness.
That's what this whole scandal is.
With a few dead soldiers that happen to have Democrat Party mothers.
dan friesen
See, that's the problem.
jordan holmes
Fuck, fuck, fucking.
dan friesen
That's the problem.
You're listening to these soldiers that have Democrat Party mothers.
jordan holmes
Fucking fuck.
Fuck this shit.
Fuck this shit.
I can't believe.
How does he go?
One, multiple is wildly off.
dan friesen
You are not ready for the rest of this shit.
jordan holmes
I'm not ready for this shit.
This is clearly.
That's directly.
The stories that he's referencing are the fact that he called one soldier and was a complete dick to them by all reports.
Yeah, and sees how multiple people were there, promised $25,000 to them, never paid it.
All of this shit, he's like, no, those are his strikes.
What the fuck are you talking about?
dan friesen
Well, he makes great deals, and that's why people make fun of all the bad deals he's made.
Right.
jordan holmes
Because he's made zero great deals, and he's tried to destroy every.
dan friesen
What you don't understand is you got to get into the headspace of an Alex Jones right about now.
And that is, you may not be aware of this.
Sean Hannity has been pimping real hard how he's got documents and he's got a big scoop about Hillary.
And it's mostly this uranium stuff.
Of course.
It's mostly that.
There's a new twist in it that it turns out that the FBI was doing an investigation concurrently, but not about Hillary.
It was about a trucking firm that had no, like, was getting no bid contracts and had been basically compromised by Russians.
Yeah.
So they were investigating that, and Alex is turning it into a thing where they're connected and it's all of it leads to Hillary.
unidentified
Of course.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
But these guys are really pathetic.
dan friesen
Alex is super bitter and petty about the fact that Sean Hannity is getting a lot of attention about it.
And so he is like, he's in this place where he's like, no one's paying attention to me.
He's struggling with it.
And at the same time, because of all this, like all of this stuff amounts to a hill of beans.
But he's got to use it as an excuse for why there are questions about Trump and Russia.
He has to use this as a way to deflect from the Russia investigation about Trump that has much more real things involved in it.
jordan holmes
Once again, so this our president committed treason.
Well, anyways.
dan friesen
But see, the thing is, what he's doing is using this weak shit in order to deflect from the other shit that's coming at him in the same way that he flips a lie to deflect from the truth of these attacks that you were screaming about Trump.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
So he's in that mode hard right now.
jordan holmes
So it's more like he is straight up lying about this.
It's like a sleight of hand thing.
dan friesen
Yes.
jordan holmes
Where he straight up lies about this to the point where you have to be like, you're lying so that you don't look over at all the shit that he's not talking about.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
So rather than, no, that's smart.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
I mean, it's evil and stupid.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
But it is tactically a smart idea.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
I mean, I will accept that.
dan friesen
A lot of that is what we come down to over and over again: is just that what he is is running distraction.
He's the red flag.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
But so which is as if we needed distraction.
Everything is fucking bananas.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So let's jump into this.
He gets into the Hannity-related Russia stuff pretty early.
And so let's jump into it.
This first clip is about Mueller.
And at the end, he ends up basically accusing all Democrats of working for Russia.
jordan holmes
That sounds right.
alex jones
I knew that Robert Mueller had delivered uranium in 2015 to the Russians, illegally for Hillary.
I knew that they had gotten hundreds of millions of dollars into companies that Robert Mueller is on the board of.
dan friesen
Real quick, just about that, because some people may not know what the details of that situation were.
Robert Mueller delivered a sample of highly enriched uranium confiscated from smugglers in the country of Georgia to Russian authorities for forensic examination back in 2009.
He did so at the request of the Russian government and with the blessing of American law enforcement.
Okay.
So he did do it, but there's nothing specific.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right, right.
So Alex is saying, see, what confused me was Alex said, I knew about it in 2015.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
And I was like, he did it in 2015?
Yeah, because he wasn't the fucking FBI director in 2015.
dan friesen
No.
But yeah, so he did that in 2009.
It's nothing spooky, nothing nefarious at all.
It's all just, like you said, weak shit, weak tea nonsense.
alex jones
Right.
And that Mueller has worked for via his law firm.
I knew that Comey was his minion.
I knew that Mueller basically is still the head of the FBI to a great extent and put major stay-behind networks in management positions who were basically part of the Clinton Foundation crime machine.
And we had guest after guest Covering all of that information.
dan friesen
Liars.
alex jones
But now to see it in that Senate judiciary committees.
To now see the Attorney General say Hillary's being criminally investigated.
To now see the lawyer for FBI operatives and FBI informants who were in Russia and in Europe and in D.C. and in New York witnessing the Democrats with photos and documents and videos of them sitting around.
You know, like all the famous FBI videos you've seen where it's in the briefcase and they're sitting around doing arms deals.
Same thing.
High-level Democrats on video.
That's the big breaking news on Infowars.com right now from Dr. Coursey.
dan friesen
I tried to find this article.
I can't find it.
I don't know what he's talking about.
I tried to look for it.
It's nowhere.
jordan holmes
Well, probably because it's not just untrue for their standards, but also legally actionable.
If it was written, that is almost certainly something that you can sue for libel.
dan friesen
I would assume so, especially if you somehow doctor briefcase footage.
Yeah, exactly.
I don't know.
I have to reserve judgment until I can find this mysterious article.
I did go to Infowars, though, and I want to give you a little bit of a glimpse into what's hot news over there today.
They have the top stories bar over on the side.
Number one top story, saber-toothed cats mingled with modern humans.
Big news.
jordan holmes
So, okay.
dan friesen
Now you think because it's InfoWars, you think that that means that their genes were spliced.
jordan holmes
That's exactly what I think is going on.
No, no.
So what they're saying is about 30,000 years ago, saber-toothed tigers were just hanging out with people?
dan friesen
Yeah, it's a link to a National Geographic article.
Okay.
And then in the top stories bar, we have a total of seven stories, and two of them are about things that Putin has said, public statements that he's made, just reinforcing Putin's narratives about the world.
unidentified
Of course.
dan friesen
If the U.S. develops new nuclear weapons, Russia will too.
And the other one is Putin says Hillary is behind Russian collusion hysteria, and elites disrespect Trump voters.
jordan holmes
Ah, that sounds right.
dan friesen
Interesting.
jordan holmes
That sounds right.
Maybe it's not that Trump voters have zero respect, and we should not respect them.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
They are deserving of no respect.
dan friesen
Well, especially the ones who are into InfoWars.
Like, if there is a subsection of Trump voters who don't like Alex, I'd be interested in meeting them.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Because I'd give them a chance.
Right.
But so I told you before the show that I think I stumbled into something big.
Yeah.
Also, that hand gesture tells me you had something.
jordan holmes
I was just thinking about his angle on this, and apparently the new angle that the GOP is going to go for is instead of ignoring the Russia thing and saying that there's no story, so we're not going to comment on it, they realize now that's not going to stop happening.
dan friesen
No.
jordan holmes
So what they're going to do then is deflect towards name-calling.
Like, oh, you say we're Russian operatives?
You're the Russian operative.
Right.
So that is.
So to me, what's going on right now is clearly everybody knows Trump committed treason.
Nobody wants to deal with it because that would be fucking a big mess to clean up.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
We would have to, first of all, hang Trump by the neck until dead on the national square from the Washington Monument.
dan friesen
I think that's on the right.
jordan holmes
That's my advice.
That's my advice.
I think that's the law.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
Then we'd have to go after Sessions.
Sessions was there.
We have to go after Flynn.
Well, those guys are already going down for sure.
dan friesen
Most likely.
jordan holmes
There's no repercussions for taking those guys down.
dan friesen
And then, quite frankly, Alex.
jordan holmes
And then Mike Pence, for sure.
dan friesen
Mike Pence.
jordan holmes
He's got to die.
Hopefully, he'll be one outed as being secretly gay first.
dan friesen
Come on now.
Don't disparage the gays like that.
That's a good point.
That game.
I don't like that game.
That, like, hey, this monstrous person is secretly gay.
Just because he probably is.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I know.
Well, that's the, you know, a lot of the most virulent anti-gay people eventually are like, yeah, well, it's because I'm gay.
dan friesen
I get that, but I think that that's thrown around as like a negative sometimes.
And I know you weren't doing that, but I was just, maybe I'm being oversensitive.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Be that as it may.
jordan holmes
I mean, if you're a virulent homophobe that wants to have sex with men while at the same time taking away your own rights to do so, hypothetical, right?
I feel like you lose a lot of negative aspects too.
dan friesen
Sure, sure, sure.
So.
jordan holmes
Yes, now we can get back to that.
dan friesen
This is important.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
I believe that on our episode that we put out today, on Thursday, we discussed how by looking back at December of 2015, we were able to fairly accurately depict and determine that Steve Pieczenik and Roger Stone were working together to manipulate Alex to join Team Trump.
Absolutely.
And there was a concerted effort going on at that point.
jordan holmes
They colluded to do so.
dan friesen
Now, I want to build on that a little bit in these next two clips because I think Alex accidentally said something over the last three days that he might regret.
He might regret because I think he fucked up the timeline because he's getting really jealous about Sean Hannity's attention.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
And he's speaking a little bit too extemporaneously.
He's being a little bit too loose.
jordan holmes
As is his wont.
dan friesen
Yes.
So here is the first clip.
This is from the Wednesday show.
I'm sorry, the Tuesday show from the 17th of this week in 2017.
And this is him expressing a bit of pettiness about the fact that he's not getting enough credit for the Russia stories and what have you.
But keep in mind, pay attention closely to some of the details about timeline in here because they are very important.
unidentified
Okay.
alex jones
Now let's get to the rest of the story on Russia Gay.
And the reason I'm going to be clear about who really broke this first and where it's not about credit.
It's about understanding the media cover-up and why Hillary and others went after Trump for what they themselves had done.
Here's the article up on Infowars.com, TikTok, huge story on Hillary, Russia, set to drop tonight.
Hannity teases bombshell expose.
I want to be clear: Hannity is a lot of great investigative journalism, has the ear of the president like no one else in media.
jordan holmes
That's probably true.
alex jones
Does a great job, has a lot of courage.
I don't want to sit here and say this is not new news to put Hannity down.
Everybody should watch tonight.
And I hope 300 million people tune in.
Instead of his customary 4 or 5 million, that's the record show.
We broke this with Roger Stone early 2016.
We hammered it.
We did hundreds of shows, hundreds of articles to where I was asking Roger to stop writing articles about it.
I said, I know the Russia thing's bull, but why are we obsessing on it?
dan friesen
So in that clip, there's a lot of nonsense trying to cuck out the audience size of it.
But Alex fucked up.
He's saying that Hillary Clinton and all of these people started accusing Trump of colluding with Russia because secretly they knew they were guilty of it, so they were trying to get ahead of it.
He fucked up because he said in January, or in the next clip he says January, but at the beginning of 2016, me and Roger Stone started pushing this really hard, the idea of Hillary colluding with Russia.
What was happening in the world at the beginning of 2016?
Do you remember?
jordan holmes
Dude, at this point, I can't fucking handle the barrage of bullshit, so I don't remember much.
dan friesen
In October of 2015, Trump, in October 28th of 2015, Trump signed that letter of intent to build the Moscow Trump Tower.
unidentified
Yes.
dan friesen
So that was at the end of 2015.
At that point, also, Flynn, in December of 2015, gave that speech in Moscow at the RT convention where he sat with Putin and Jill Stein and some other folks.
Also, at that point, he was working for Erdogan.
So we get to January of 2016.
Flynn isn't even an advisor formally for Trump at this point.
Manafort isn't even his campaign manager yet in January of 2016.
unidentified
The hacks hadn't even happened.
dan friesen
No one.
jordan holmes
Yeah, the DNC hacks didn't happen until what?
August?
dan friesen
At least.
Yeah.
Paul Manafort became the campaign manager in March.
On March 29th, he was announced as the campaign convention manager.
April 27th was when he gave that meeting at the Mayflower Hotel, that speech that Kiseliak was at when he met with all the people that didn't come out until much later.
June 3rd is when Donald Trump Jr. had that meeting with the Russian lawyer that got set up.
Or I'm sorry, that was a little bit later in June or what have you.
jordan holmes
Yeah, how is he not in jail yet?
dan friesen
June 14th is when the Washington Post reported that hackers had gained access to the DNC servers.
So that had not even happened at that point.
jordan holmes
So what you're saying is they were trying to get out in front of the Russia story because they knew it was already happening.
dan friesen
And Alex, in complaining about what he's accusing Hillary of, has given away his own tactics.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
He has revealed that, like, oh, of course you would accuse the other person of doing the thing you're doing in order to defend the story.
That implies to me heavily that he knows, and Roger Stone knows, that that's what they were doing because of the.
jordan holmes
And when did he say that he was debriefed by Russian intelligence?
dan friesen
That was earlier.
jordan holmes
That was December 2015.
dan friesen
I think it was November.
jordan holmes
Well, whatever.
dan friesen
November, December.
jordan holmes
The point being, though.
dan friesen
But he doesn't have a date on when it happened, though.
He just admitted it.
unidentified
Yeah, that's true.
dan friesen
It could have been years before.
jordan holmes
That's possible.
dan friesen
June 22nd of 2016 is when WikiLeaks released the DNC emails.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
When people started to get like, oh boy.
July 25th, later that week, is when the FBI confirmed that they were having an investigation into it.
And at that point, Trump tweeted that the joke in town is that Russia did it.
That's when people started to be like, oh, boy.
He gives a press conference and claims he's never spoken to Putin, even though in 2013.
jordan holmes
Yeah, of course.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So, I mean, it just goes on from there.
August 8th of 2016 is when Roger Stone publicly admitted that he had communicated, whether it was through a back channel or whatever, with Julian Assange.
A little bit later, August 21st is when Stone said, trust me, Podesta's time will soon be in the barrel.
It will come soon.
In October, Stone is tweeting that he has on Wednesday, Hillary is done.
Hashtag WikiLeaks.
So all this stuff that made people concerned and when the Russia talk was really bubbling up was not the beginning of 2016.
jordan holmes
No, it was right near the actual fucking vote.
dan friesen
Or at least towards the middle.
You know, it was towards the late summer at best is when a lot of those concerns started to come to the forefront.
And the fact that Alex Jones is saying we were writing copious articles about them in January at the beginning of 2016 to the point where he's like, Roger, why are we talking about this so much?
It implies to me that Roger had a game plan and Alex was not entirely clear what it is.
But now he knows and he subconsciously let it slip.
jordan holmes
I don't necessarily think that he didn't know.
I don't think he at all said to Roger, why are we writing about this?
I think that was just him being like, look at how many articles we wrote that I have to pretend.
dan friesen
You're right.
That's more the pettiness.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
That's more him being like, you know, hey, we wrote about this all the time.
Fuck you, Hannity.
jordan holmes
Yeah, exactly.
dan friesen
3 million people.
50 million.
Yeah, yeah.
So here's the next clip.
And this one's a little bit long, but it's worth it for what happens at the end.
And it confirms that what he's talking about is straight up January, not just the beginning of the year.
Because if you say the beginning of the year, you could say March.
But even in March, there wasn't.
jordan holmes
Yeah, no.
alex jones
And now you know why.
Starting last January, Roger Stone was doing no exaggeration because he was coming and visiting us here.
He would do 15, 20 interviews a day.
You couldn't go to dinner with him.
He'd duck out, do 10 minute interviews out in the parking lot of a steakhouse.
Then you take a call from the president candidate at the time.
And it was pretty amazing.
here, talk to, talk to Trump.
But what's incredible is.
dan friesen
So there, he even makes it clear.
I mean, he already clarified that he's talking about 2016.
But in the context of this clip, you could be saying January of 2017, but he said candidate.
He wasn't a candidate in 2017.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
dan friesen
So he's obviously talking about January of 2016.
This timeline doesn't make sense.
jordan holmes
And if Stone has a very if Stone is talking to Trump all the time in January of 2016 while on this whole Russian narrative, Stone obviously knows something.
And he's still obviously part of that whole thing.
He's working directly for Putin at this point in time.
So we're fucked.
alex jones
Is that that's when they went.
Roger Stone's a Russian agent.
Even though in the 80s Russians tried to contact him about secrets, and he helped the FBI round up a bunch of Russians and U.S. citizens who were indicted and convicted.
Roger Stone came up under Nixon, the famous anti-communist, and the Red Scare and Senator McCarthy.
unidentified
Roger Stone was around way back then.
jordan holmes
Stone was on his bullshit from the beginning.
dan friesen
One of the other important things to pull out of that piece is that this is not back then.
Vladimir Putin is a different sort of leader.
They are not entirely a communist country anyway.
jordan holmes
Same thing.
Same thing.
No, it's in the 60s.
Russia has stayed exactly the same since the 60s.
Everybody knows this.
It's been the exact same thing the whole time.
It's absolutely not that Russia has turned into a giant billionaire kleptocracy.
That Stone, being on the outs of American politics after all of his time being so close to power, has finally decided, like, well, fuck it.
If you guys aren't going to give me money and power, I'm going to get it from this dude over here.
dan friesen
You make a compelling argument.
I was just going to say that maybe he was against the people who came before Putin, and now he kind of likes this strong guy.
jordan holmes
No, I think it's absolutely he felt neglected, and they gave him the chance to feel powerful again.
And he's really addicted to power, influence, and attention.
dan friesen
I wouldn't be surprised.
jordan holmes
That's what Stone is.
He's a fucking bullshitter.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Anyway.
alex jones
He's been doing this since he was 18 years old.
The opposite of the communist.
So what do you do when an old red hunter is on your Democratic Party butt?
What do you do?
What do you do when a red hunter is on your tail?
The bane of the Democratic Party since 1917, the Republicans have been on them for working with communists and working with the Russians.
What are you going to do?
When people like Vice President Richard Nixon are on your tail.
And don't forget, he was the vice president for Eisenhower and came back, became president.
What are you going to do when Nixon's later best friend, Roger Stone, the Red Hunter, is on your butt?
Roger Stone's a red.
Rogers, everybody's a red.
Remember what they started saying on television to Tucker Carlson when he doubted the official fake story about Russia Gay?
unidentified
No.
alex jones
They said to Tucker Carlson, you better watch it.
You're working for the Kremlin.
You're on his payroll.
And of course, if you know anything about Tucker Carlson's blue-blood East Coast family, the Patriots, his dad was the head of Voice of America.
You don't just think he was in the CIA, do you?
And the rest of his family.
And Tucker Carlson said, you better watch it right there.
And that's why they started saying, I'm a Russian agent.
And members of the ⁇ remember Rand Paul?
We ought to get all these clips together.
Rand Paul!
McCain said on the floor of the Senate is a Russian agent being paid by Vladimir Putin.
Total defamation.
Total slander of Rand Paul.
dan friesen
Yeah, he did vibrate a little bit.
He was trying to summon him to studio.
But, I mean, if anyone has forgotten, the reason that John McCain made that comment is because Rand Paul voted, I think he was the only person who voted against Montenegro being accepted into the EU.
jordan holmes
Really?
dan friesen
Is that right?
Yeah, I believe so.
jordan holmes
Did not know that.
dan friesen
Yeah, he was blocking the vote for Montenegro to be allowed in.
And that was something that Putin was very strongly in favor of, and the rest of the world was they wanted them to sign him.
That's why he didn't say that he's working for Putin.
He said he's effectively an agent of Putin at this point.
alex jones
Yeah.
dan friesen
And Alex is misrepresenting that, too, as he's doing all the way.
jordan holmes
As opposed to being literally an agent of Putin at this point, which is what Alex Jones has been for the past two years.
dan friesen
It appears.
alex jones
Total desperate libel.
And if you wonder why they're so desperate, ladies and gentlemen, it's because John McCain, it turned out, was involved with banks on the Russian payroll.
And it turns out Hillary and both Podesta brothers and a bunch of the Democratic Party and Dr. Jerome Corson's article on Infowars.com were in banks and in brokerage firms and in energy companies and in military companies.
And Hillary was the head of the State Department for most of those eight years.
And she was transferring everything out of the country because she could sign waivers and claim it was legal, but she kept it secret.
jordan holmes
Like what Trump said.
alex jones
And that's why they are in total and complete panic mode in D.C. right now.
And that's why they have the whole media brand Trump and the Republicans and all of the rest of the resistance as Russian agents.
Because it's just like in an old spy movie, when you catch one spy, they go, no, they're the spies.
It's them.
It's them.
dan friesen
Sounds familiar.
alex jones
With no proof.
But then when Roger started exposing it, he was going to testify, he got shot in the back with a polonium dart, little gelatin darts that dissolve.
But it deflected it, cut his back real bad in his backyard.
It hit him in his backyard.
He got real sick two days later, and they tested it was polonium.
And then a few weeks later, he's going to testify.
jordan holmes
Which he was going to do if he had been putting it.
alex jones
They almost kill him.
And then some armored vehicle races off because they wanted to say it was all Roger Stone so that a dead man couldn't resist them and a dead man couldn't speak out.
So let me tell you something.
They've been failing on every front.
We come back, we're going to play these clips.
jordan holmes
I mean, that's true.
alex jones
Lawyers for the informants and the rest of it are getting ready to testify to Congress, and they are in full panic mode.
Please remember to support the broadcast.
We have a bunch of specials that are about to end brain force.
dan friesen
Love it.
jordan holmes
God damn it.
dan friesen
That's a great story.
I mean, it's a good story.
It doesn't match up.
jordan holmes
If anybody was going to kill Roger Stone to keep him silent, it would be the Russians.
And if they were going to kill him, they would probably use something like polonium.
dan friesen
Which Putin has used in the past.
unidentified
Exactly.
dan friesen
But the thing is.
jordan holmes
Although I would say that would actually, they wouldn't use polonium because then it would be too obvious.
dan friesen
Calling card.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
It's dumb.
jordan holmes
It's very dumb.
dan friesen
And quite.
jordan holmes
And also, he didn't get poisoned by polonium.
dan friesen
It would be a public crisis if he did.
jordan holmes
Just like Larry Nichols did not run guns in Nicaragua.
dan friesen
No.
jordan holmes
You can make up that story, but it's not true.
dan friesen
The only person who's going to believe you is Alex.
And then when Alex starts screaming about it, his listeners are going to believe it.
And then you get into like you've crafted just a false reality for them to live in.
And it's fun.
It's fucking fun.
jordan holmes
That's where they live.
dan friesen
It's really fun, I imagine.
Like, I would love it if I could believe this shit.
jordan holmes
Yeah, no, it's one of the things that they, so it's really just, I have to believe that it is all of them having a subconscious or unconscious realization that they voted for the dumbest worst president in the history of the United States.
dan friesen
It's possible.
jordan holmes
And so were they to accept that, then they would have to realize because the dumbest worst president in history embodies a lot of Republican values, if not all of them.
So if you admit that you voted for the guy who embodies all of your values and he's the dumbest worst president, maybe you're the dumbest worst person.
dan friesen
And they're not even president.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
And you are fucking yourself over and they just can't do that.
Like that destroys your entire worldview.
If all of a sudden you realize that finally the type of Republican that I want is in the White House and it turns out that is very, very, very bad.
So then you'd have to reevaluate yourself.
And most people, if not all people, have such a hard time doing that that they'll retreat into a fantasy world.
dan friesen
It's very difficult to just be like, oh man, we were wrong.
Yeah.
But you should.
jordan holmes
Especially if you've lived your whole life by that.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
You know, finally, you get the chance to figure out what it would be like if you were in power.
And the answer is everyone's going to die.
dan friesen
It's not a great outcome.
jordan holmes
It's not a great outcome.
I don't think that would be something that warms your heart in the middle of the night.
So instead, you make up a narrative of, you know, everything that I, it's very simple.
Like, what they're doing is they're just projecting all of their hatred for Trump onto Hillary or whomever.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
All of the things that they hate that Trump is doing, just like what Alex is, which what Alex is doing right now, everything he hates about Trump, he is just moving over.
You know, just like a game of fucking guess who.
dan friesen
Oh, boy.
jordan holmes
Move it on over.
dan friesen
Right.
Yeah, but I mean, you kind of have to.
jordan holmes
Yeah, of course.
dan friesen
That's how you retain the idea that you're the good guy when you're not.
So, anyway, let's get to this next clip because in that last one, he had some clear lies that Roger Stone told him about Roger himself.
alex jones
Right.
dan friesen
Right.
Like, and Alex just believes it because it's like, oh, yeah, my hero guy.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
That's great.
And in this next clip, we learn a little bit about a guy named Tosh Plumley, who's another whistleblower that Alex has on.
jordan holmes
He's actually Tosh 2.1.
dan friesen
2.
Plumley.
Yeah.
He has some details here that I think aren't true.
Okay.
Let's just see what your sense of it is.
alex jones
Hillary, as Secretary of State, had the power to sign secret orders circumventing federal law because of the previous law that you could ship prohibited weapons or materials to states where it was prohibited or to groups where it was prohibited if she signed the letters.
So you would give money as a terrorist group or a foreign government or a corporation to the Clinton Foundation.
We have the emails.
Then they would then use it a few days.
Usually it was about a million dollars or more.
Just to meet with Hillary was a couple hundred thousand.
dan friesen
She doesn't get out of it.
alex jones
Or to have her be given your email or request.
That's actually so first you give a couple hundred thousand just to have her agree to talk to you.
Then you give a million asking for what you want, and almost always you got it.
Didn't matter if it was anti-tank missiles, anti-aircraft missiles.
Didn't matter what it was.
And if you paid enough, they would have it then the orders of the State Department, which controls the Pentagon to a great extent, and the CIA, they would then deliver that to you on a C-130.
And Tosh Plumley took parts in those flights.
And he risked his life to tell you.
Now, he only knew part of it.
Very, very famous, by the way.
He was in the Bay of Pigs.
But before that, he was flying arms to Fidel Castro.
This is in congressional hearings.
He was in the Frank Church committee.
He was in the Iran Conference Committee.
You say, well, how is he still in the CIA?
Well, there's dark hats and white hats.
And because he's a whistleblower, he was protected in his black hat and white hats.
Three years ago, he was flying flights.
I mean, he used to come on the show, leading groups of C-130s as the head, you know, as Commodore of the skies.
15 C-130s lined up behind him, about to fly to wherever.
He'd say, hold on, Alex, I got to tell him to wait 10 minutes.
I'm turning the engines off.
I got my time zones.
And then, I got 15 minutes for you.
I mean, there's interviews where he's on the tarmac, flying whatever it is.
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Then he's going to be a little bit more expensive.
alex jones
And then on the air station, we're flying high-impact kinetic weapons to the jihadis, and nobody likes it.
I'm not going to say I'm doing it, but I've done it.
I'm on board an aircraft right now.
We're really pissed about this, Alex.
I don't care if they kill me, I'm going to tell you.
We need him on now, I only say that because that busy producers are great, but I've kind of lately been running around saying Tosh Plumley, Tosh Plumley, because let me tell you, he is the one that broke it all.
We stuck our necks out.
And now everything you're hearing about Hillary and exporting things to the State Department and those waivers, that is directly from the CIA and the Patriots and the CIA to Tosh Plumley.
They said, you're willing to get killed, you go ahead and you do it.
dan friesen
Right.
alex jones
But that is, I'm so proud of the fact he's a Texan.
So there you go.
Now, briefly, we're ending specials in the next few days.
dan friesen
Oh, boy.
jordan holmes
God damn it, Dan.
dan friesen
He's on a sales episode.
unidentified
You love it.
dan friesen
It's so great.
jordan holmes
That's so fancy.
dan friesen
So that story.
jordan holmes
God damn it, am I proud he's a Texan.
We're going to be ending specials here pretty soon, guys.
Jesus, dude.
dan friesen
That can't.
I mean, it can't be true.
A guy who's running guns, it takes a little bit of time.
He's running heavy munitions, high-kinetic weapons to jihadis.
Takes a little time out to call Alex Jones, ring-a-ling.
Oh, hey, I'm selling terrorist weapons.
jordan holmes
While he's on the tarmac, the engines running, he's about to fly.
dan friesen
Look, let me power this baby down.
jordan holmes
I can't text and drive.
You should not be allowed to call Alex Jones and fly.
I think that's just a fact.
dan friesen
It just, it makes me think of all the, like, if you ever listen to Coast to Coast AM, they have a lot of callers who are like, there's a ghost in my house or stuff like that.
Or, like, there was a famous call with Art Bell where this guy was like, I'm going to fly into Area 51.
And he faked the call going out.
Right, right, right.
There's those hoaxes and stuff that happened like that.
And Tosh Plumley is clearly doing some of that shit to Alex.
Yeah.
Or just embellishment.
jordan holmes
Or he's just a fucking lunatic.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Like, like his Alex's description of him saying is like, we run guns to the jihadis.
I'm not going to say I'm doing it.
I've done it.
And I'm right now doing it.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
Yeah, exactly.
dan friesen
Did you hear that?
jordan holmes
What are you fucking doing?
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Tosh, that sounds like your mouth.
Nope.
Specialized engine.
Specialized white hat CIA engine.
jordan holmes
It's a C-130 where white hats or dark hats.
dan friesen
So in this next clip, I think he was just hungry.
Probably.
jordan holmes
He's like, I don't know if I want a breast or a leg.
I don't know what I'm going to do.
dan friesen
Give me a mixed bag.
jordan holmes
Give me a hat first.
dan friesen
So in this next clip, Alex reveals that he believes that Donald Trump believes that Russia, our military, and Assad made that deal.
jordan holmes
Yes, of course.
dan friesen
He believes that Trump believes that.
jordan holmes
Frankly, I buy that.
dan friesen
It's possible.
jordan holmes
It's entirely possible that Trump believes all kinds of fanciful things.
dan friesen
True.
If that is true.
jordan holmes
I mean, if he believes that he actually had a, if he believes that he was good at calling the widows or the parents of dead fallen soldiers, if he believes that he had a great phone call, he can believe fucking anything.
He's a lunatic, malignant narcissist, psychopath, and he will not, he believes everything he says.
dan friesen
Fair.
But listen to this.
jordan holmes
Because he's fucking lunatic.
dan friesen
Listen to this.
jordan holmes
We're all going to die.
alex jones
And our military and good people in the deep state said no to that plan.
And four and a half years ago, General Dempsey went and met with Obama and said, we are not going to have a military strike from the air on Syria.
We're going to work with the Russians to contain the civil war and end it.
And then Assad will step down after elections in the future when the war is over.
jordan holmes
And bomb hotspots.
alex jones
Now you see Trump putting pressure on Iran saying, we made a deal with you and the Russians.
Four and a half years ago, our military did, bypassing Obama.
You're now going to pull out of there, and we're going to have elections, and Assad's going to step down.
We're going to put sanctions on you.
And if you want to attack our troops in Syria, that's what all this really is, we're going to go to war with you.
We made a deal with you.
The American people and the folks that put Trump in from the good side of the deep state, you're going to follow that agreement.
No more backstabbing.
dan friesen
No more weasels.
So.
unidentified
Did he just say that the good people from the deep state put Trump in?
dan friesen
That's what he likes to believe.
jordan holmes
I feel like he's okay.
dan friesen
But do you know why?
jordan holmes
I don't think that's a good thing.
dan friesen
Do you know why he believes all this shit?
Lies that Steve Pieczenik told him.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's true.
dan friesen
And now he can't talk to Steve Pieczenik anymore because he said the Las Vegas attack was fake.
He's like, oh, yeah, Steve Pieczenik, he's saying that Las Vegas.
jordan holmes
Pachenek went one too far with his bullshit lies.
dan friesen
Alex straight up on his show, in response to a caller, said it's a very good likelihood that Steve Pieczenik is still working for the CIA and is pulling a psyop on Infowars, which we called a long time ago.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, of course he did.
dan friesen
He finally gets it because of the Las Vegas's fake thing.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
And he doesn't sit down to question, like, oh, what else has Steve Pieczenik told me?
jordan holmes
Well, if you're talking about it.
dan friesen
Wait, wait, Robert David Steele told me about Mars bases.
What else has he lied to me about?
He doesn't do that second step.
It's crazy.
jordan holmes
Why would he?
dan friesen
Because it's very important.
jordan holmes
But with Las Vegas, he can see that Steve Pieczenik is lying.
With Syria, it's a magic lie.
It's a magical thing.
Like, hey, our deep state made an extrajudicial deal with Russia's deep state to make sure that Assad steps down.
dan friesen
And one of the generals came to Obama and said, we did this behind Japan.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
Yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
That's called treason.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
That's very clearly like, say whatever you want about our foreign policy.
There's a lot of problems.
But I do not support generals getting out of the chain of command and making deals with hostile actors.
jordan holmes
Probably not good.
For the survival of the union, I feel like treason at the highest level of the military is not a great way to go.
dan friesen
That's so bad.
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
dan friesen
I mean, thankfully, it's not real, but that's so bad.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
The weirdest part is that currently Brazil is about to have, like, their military generals actually are talking about a military coup because Tamer is the most corrupt leader in the world right now.
dan friesen
He's pretty bad.
jordan holmes
Which is a true accomplishment.
dan friesen
There's a lot.
It's a deep bench.
jordan holmes
Oh, yeah, man.
dan friesen
There's a lot of incredible.
There's a lot of people with warning track power.
jordan holmes
Right.
The Cubs are down by a lot.
dan friesen
Sorry about that.
jordan holmes
Insane number.
No, it is one of those things, though, where you could see that being a flashpoint there.
If there is a military coup in Brazil, because the president is the single most corrupt president on the planet, and we have, I would say, number three.
Because I would go with Tamer, Putin, and then Trump.
dan friesen
I'd put Trump behind Duterte.
jordan holmes
Oh, yeah, that's it.
No, Duterte isn't corrupt.
He's a murder.
Yeah, that's not corruption.
dan friesen
It implies.
jordan holmes
No, I'm sure there is some, but I think he's just bloodthirsty.
dan friesen
It implies rank corruption.
jordan holmes
Right.
But the military's on his team there.
dan friesen
All right.
jordan holmes
So I would go, let's see.
Rank your favorite corrupt world league.
dan friesen
I don't have time.
jordan holmes
I just want to like.
dan friesen
I'll sign off on whatever you're ranking.
jordan holmes
All right, fine.
I just missed some.
I just want some good old bunga-bunga parties back.
dan friesen
All right, fine.
I don't know what you're getting at.
jordan holmes
Oh, you don't remember Berlusconi?
dan friesen
I don't remember.
Oh, the horror parties.
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah.
That was the kind of corruption that I can get behind.
dan friesen
That's tasty.
jordan holmes
That's corruption.
That's just an ultra-rich plutocrat having fun.
dan friesen
Right, right.
I mean, it's quaint at this point.
jordan holmes
Those were the days.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
So I have a long clip here we can listen to or we can skip.
I'm going to give you the option.
alex jones
Well, we got to do it.
dan friesen
Okay.
It's about Alex getting mad at Joe Biden and then losing it in a really gross impression.
jordan holmes
Okay, now I'm in.
dan friesen
Here we go.
joe biden
When someone would yell at a state of the union liar.
dan friesen
Real quick, Alex has set up this clip by saying that Joe Biden, in a speech, has indicated that he has a stay-behind network of treasonous actors within the government.
unidentified
Of course.
dan friesen
And in this quote, in this clip he's playing, it's Joe Biden telling them, stay, hang tight, guys.
alex jones
Hang tight.
dan friesen
We've got to kill Trump.
That sort of thing.
jordan holmes
That's going to be fun at our next State of the Union, which hopefully we'll make it to.
dan friesen
Maybe.
jordan holmes
But that Obama did not lie and yet was called a liar by a fucking idiot.
unidentified
You lie.
jordan holmes
Right?
Our president now lies quite a bit.
Constantly.
dan friesen
Quite a bit.
jordan holmes
I don't think he's told the truth on anything ever.
Like, name one thing he said that's accurate other than my name is President Trump.
dan friesen
He has great words.
jordan holmes
Even then, his name isn't president.
dan friesen
No, that's true.
It's a title.
Anyway, let's get to the clip.
joe biden
When someone would yell at a state of the union liar.
unidentified
Liar.
joe biden
These are basic norms.
There's a reason why we have certain basic social norms.
alex jones
Shit, boss.
They've got people shooting congressmen.
And they've got Democratic strategists on TV.
dan friesen
So real quick, we have people shooting congressmen?
alex jones
Right.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
Is that what we do?
dan friesen
He's implying that like Joe Biden and those people, like the Democrats.
jordan holmes
They aspire to have Scalif shot.
unidentified
Yes.
dan friesen
Well, I mean, you know, his narrative with that.
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
His belief is that the gunman was trying to kill everyone on that field because if he killed all of them, it would force.
jordan holmes
He would become a duke.
dan friesen
Well, yeah, also.
It would force a special election and Democrats could take over the House.
But mathematically, it doesn't work because even if all of them were killed and replaced with Democrats, the Republicans would still have a majority.
So it's real dumb.
jordan holmes
There we go.
alex jones
Saying hunt Republicans.
They've got Hollywood saying kill Trump.
They've got Phil Mudd, former deputy director of the CIA and deputy director of the FBI, put in by Comey.
jordan holmes
He just likes that.
alex jones
And Mueller is a Mueller man.
unidentified
Yeah.
alex jones
Because Mueller comie than Mudd saying we're going to kill the president soon.
And then you say someone's saying Obamacare doesn't cover illegal aliens when it was in the bill.
And the congressman says you lie.
unidentified
And you sit up there about basic norms.
alex jones
We have basic norms.
We're going to sexualize your three-year-olds and teach him how to be sexually screwed up.
And we're going to ship HIV blood all over the country and give that to you and hepatitis.
And we're going to tell you two plus two equals five.
And we're going to get rid of our sovereignty and treat our veterans like crap and have the VA cut their funding off and have the Thomas computer and IBM decide who gets health care and who doesn't.
dan friesen
He means to say Watson.
jordan holmes
He's Thomas Watson.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Dr. Thomas Watson.
dan friesen
Yeah, but he's done this rant before, but he's called it the Watson computer.
He's screwing up, calling it the Thomas computer.
jordan holmes
I like his retroactive hatred of illegal immigrants now.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
Even back then, it's like, wait, it was the death panels he was screaming about, not illegal immigrants.
People weren't even talking about illegal immigrants until the presidential candidate decided that that's the only thing that matters.
dan friesen
Right.
To be fair, Alex, as always, I went back.
I've listened to some old episodes, and he's always had a healthy, unhealthy distrust of immigrants, but be that as it may.
alex jones
There's a death panel.
They're now using Thomas computers, the National Health Service in England.
And if you were ever a smoker, you don't get any surgery or health care now.
Could have been 20 years ago.
jordan holmes
I'm fine with that.
alex jones
If you're a drinker, you don't get any surgery.
But Thomas, the little Nazi IBM computer named after a Nazi, can't make that up.
Literally.
With all this run by a former Nazi collaborator who the ADL gives awards to, you can't make the, you can't make this up.
He's going to tell us, back it up.
Let's start from the beginning again.
He's going to tell us folks about norms.
Here, I'm going to try to shut up during this.
jordan holmes
Everything he says is good fucking luck.
dan friesen
So let's pause here.
How long do you think it's going to take for him to interrupt again?
jordan holmes
Well, he sure as fuck doesn't make it all the way to social norms.
dan friesen
Like starting from the jump?
jordan holmes
Yeah, starting from the jungle.
dan friesen
I think it's going to be that quick.
jordan holmes
I think it's going to be that quick.
dan friesen
Let's see.
alex jones
Let's hear from this lying sack of anti-American parasitic garbage about how we need decorum and lay down all these people bankrupt the country.
Here it is.
joe biden
When someone would yell at a state of the union liar.
alex jones
Oh my gosh.
joe biden
These are basic norms.
unidentified
There's a reason why these are basic norms.
alex jones
It took me three and a half hours to get into the inauguration because they were Democrats.
It's all on video beating up men, women, and children outside and assaulting everyone.
The next day they had their George Soros women's march led by Linda Saurceur.
dan friesen
Cool organization.
alex jones
Admitted jihadi Islamicist, Palestinian activist with half a family in prison in the Middle East for their activity.
jordan holmes
Okay, well, Palestinian activists with half their family in prison generally they're on the right side.
I'm not saying that I'm anti-Israel, but they are an apartheid state and they're oppressing Palestinians to an insane degree.
dan friesen
And where I paused it, I'm not sure if he'd already said it or not.
He's like, they're in prison for their activities.
jordan holmes
Yeah, exactly.
dan friesen
What are you saying?
jordan holmes
What are you saying?
alex jones
Yeah.
You could all go have your demonstration, couldn't you?
But we couldn't go see our president inaugurated because you're a bunch of thugs.
You were about decorum.
Here it is.
joe biden
Norms.
They're the arbiter of how we work together.
So the thing that I find the most debilitating about what's going on now is the destruction of these norms and it's generating chaos.
It's generating chaos internally.
alex jones
You're trying to justify.
joe biden
I don't want to see the chief of staff quit.
I don't want to see the Secretary of Defense or the Secretary of State quit.
alex jones
You're a man.
joe biden
I don't want all the people who are in our administration who are still there.
They call me all the time.
I say, please stay.
Please stay.
alex jones
Please, parasites.
joe biden
There has to be some competence.
alex jones
We're going to win.
joe biden
Again, it's not even about the issues.
It's about the norms.
unidentified
I'll conclude by saying that basic ability.
alex jones
That's enough of that piece of garbage.
He's all nice.
We're being so friendly when we hit people in the head with bike locks and we call for violence and we have our surrogates say all whites are inherently evil and have no white day at major colleges.
jordan holmes
And while we push all this stuff and while we push war and say we're the resistance and say we're going to kill the president and have all of our minions say blaming other people for pushing war after our last episode when it was like, oh, the president is pushing for war.
dan friesen
If we're going to go to a big war with Iran, fine.
I'm not scared.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
I'm not scared.
What a dick.
alex jones
And then, see, they want us to get calm again.
Just like Ted Bundy, the serial killer, would just say, it's going to be okay.
Just put the handcuffs on.
I'm not going to kill you.
Just put the gag on.
jordan holmes
Were you there?
alex jones
As soon as they did that, he'd say, you're so stupid.
I'm going to torture you to death for weeks or I'm going to bite chunks out of your body.
You're such a dumb idiot.
And then he's just saying, settle down, just get in the basement.
Just put the handcuffs on.
He's standing there in a room without a weapon.
He says, put the handcuffs on.
You're like, yes, master, let me put the handcuffs on.
And Biden's going to come down here.
I'm going to strap you onto this bloody gurney.
Never mind the dirty clothes and, you know, that woman hanging on the meat hook right there.
And it's just be normal, talk like I talk, be politically correct, submit, be passive, because I'm going to hurt you politically bad.
I'm going to do the opportunity to get away from you.
That was actually just for six months and rip your teeth out with pliers.
And I'm going to tell you how great it is while I do it.
These are the monstrous pig demons we're dealing with.
And we see them.
We're awake.
unidentified
We're not going back to the side.
alex jones
Now, remember, folks, when you spread the articles, the videos, the links to newswars.com.
Dad!
jordan holmes
Come on!
Jesus!
Isn't that great?
You fucking piece of shit.
dan friesen
It's my favorite thing in the world.
Oh, yeah.
Get in the basement.
jordan holmes
He has a weird twisted torture sex fantasy.
dan friesen
He's growling.
And it's grunting.
alex jones
He's so gross.
dan friesen
Oh, put on the handcuffs.
jordan holmes
So gross.
dan friesen
Very innocent.
jordan holmes
That's a dream of his.
dan friesen
Very in.
jordan holmes
That is a dream of his.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
Oh, and remember, please share our article.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I know.
Like, fucking Christ is that gross.
dan friesen
Yeah, very gross.
jordan holmes
Play it again.
dan friesen
Don't worry.
There's more.
Jesus.
So, I mean, I don't need to really unpack that machine gun of misrepresentations and lies on his part.
And I think what Biden is saying is reasonable.
jordan holmes
It's weird.
It's weird to hear.
Like, of course, he has to interrupt him so much because if you just let Biden's words play, even Alex Jones' listeners are going to be like, fuck, he sounds reasonable.
dan friesen
Yeah, it seems like everybody that Trump keeps appointing keeps getting fired.
And, you know, it seems like a lot of them don't know how to do their jobs.
Maybe Biden's onto something.
Yeah, they would never have that thought because they think that everyone's getting fired because they're getting jammed up for fake Russia tie.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I'm not saying that they would think that Biden is like I'm not saying that they want Biden, that they want Obama administration officials to stay there.
I am saying that if you listen to what he's saying, there is a certain amount of one, his tone of voice is perfect.
He's a consummate politician.
He knows exactly how.
Yeah, exactly.
unidentified
This is how we're supposed to do things.
jordan holmes
You got to know to just not be a dick.
Like all Biden was saying was, don't be a dick and be good at your job.
dan friesen
Basically.
jordan holmes
How can you be angry at that?
dan friesen
I don't know.
Alex launched into a fucking perv fantasy.
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Oh, that's how.
dan friesen
I told you earlier that there were two instances where Alex fucked up that we're going to talk about.
jordan holmes
Yeah, we got to the one where he admitted that he had been taking orders directly from Putin and the Kremlin.
dan friesen
And sort of sold out Roger Stone a little bit.
jordan holmes
Absolutely.
dan friesen
Now, one of our friends has assigned us, one of our wonks has assigned us a tour through history, gave me a date in the past, and I started listening to the wrong year.
I found the date, but I listened to the wrong year.
And it's a good thing I did so, because on May 3rd of 2011, I found this clip.
You might be asking yourself, what happened on May 3rd, 2011?
jordan holmes
Well, that was five days before my birthday.
dan friesen
Don't worry about it.
It was the day after Obama announced that they'd killed Osama bin Laden.
jordan holmes
Oh, okay.
dan friesen
So in this clip, Alex is...
jordan holmes
I was about to say 9-11. 9-11.
dan friesen
After Obama killed 9-11.
In this clip, Alex talks about the response that he's seeing in some neoconservative thinkers and some people who were previously against Obama.
Here's this clip.
And let's see how different Alex Jones was just an eye on six years ago.
alex jones
I heard neocons on the radio going, I kind of like Obama.
I saw that photo of him launching the attack in there.
This is looking a little better to me.
I'm kind of liking government health care now.
Boy.
Because it's that tribalism when your leader, the chief, says the other tribe is coming.
We've got to get together or they're going to kill us men.
This is what every culture does.
Take our women and children to make their tribe bigger and stronger and use them as lower-class slaves in their system.
We're ingrained that when we're told an enemy's coming, we're told we're under attack to get together to fight.
That's what humans do.
dan friesen
So Alex Jones just explained the tendency in humans that he exploits on a daily basis.
In 2011, it's very clear that he knows that when you paint someone out to be the enemy and say that they're going to kill the men and take the women as slaves and attack the children, that it's a natural human response.
jordan holmes
You mean like take the children and just be all pedophile on them.
dan friesen
And snatch them from the backyards because that's what the globalists want to do.
jordan holmes
Of course.
dan friesen
I even have a clip of it from the 19th from October 19th, 2017.
Here's a clip of him talking exactly like what he's accusing people of feeling about Obama.
alex jones
They are your sworn enemy.
They are the diseased brain of the globalists.
Hell-bent on destroying culture for absolute, complete domination.
They are so mentally ill and so incredibly competitive that they see your prosperity as evil.
They don't see overall prosperity as their collective prosperity.
jordan holmes
Describe prosperity as a culture.
alex jones
They see it as a horrible affront to them.
That's why they push collectivism that we've seen ravage every country that ever tried it.
And here we are, 100 years into the great experiment of Marxist and Leninist ideology.
unidentified
Oh, okay.
alex jones
And 220-plus million dead we know of at the hands of communism.
Fascism and all other governmental exterminations we know of are only another 60 million.
jordan holmes
Wait, wait, wait.
unidentified
Hold on.
jordan holmes
already paused that before you were like Jordan's not gonna like Jordan's not gonna like that no I Jordan's not going to like him saying, wait a second, fascism is way less bad than communism.
And then lump socialism in there with him because they don't fucking know what words mean.
Doesn't explain what prosperity is because he doesn't know what it fucking actually means.
Doesn't know that fascism isn't that bad.
dan friesen
No.
jordan holmes
No, he's right.
He's right.
dan friesen
Only in human history has killed 60 million people, which I at least think that means he's just talking about the Holocaust.
jordan holmes
He wants some light fascism.
dan friesen
Right.
At least that's it's not Holocaust denial at this point.
It's just every other denial.
It's like it's all that's all fascism has ever done.
jordan holmes
Hey, think about it this way: Holocaust, lesser of two evils.
dan friesen
He actually does think that.
jordan holmes
I agree.
dan friesen
Compared to like Stalin and Mao.
jordan holmes
Yeah, of course.
Now, admittedly, Stalin and Mao did have a higher body count.
It's true.
Now, the idea of calling that a communist government is fucking stupid.
Communism is an economic system.
The government that they had was authoritarian.
That was another way.
There you go.
dan friesen
Yeah.
It's dumb.
Alex is dumb.
jordan holmes
Fucking stupid.
I hate these people.
dan friesen
But anyway, they're your sworn enemies.
jordan holmes
You can't compare communism and fascism.
Those are not inconsistent with each other.
And they are not the same fucking thing.
dan friesen
No.
jordan holmes
Like, that's one of the brilliant things that they did in the Cold War is they portrayed it as communism that was the issue, not their horrifying fascist government.
Like even Orwell, the idea that he's, you know, he's describing how communism has the flaw of eventual some are more equal than others.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
What else does that turn into as a government, though, is fascism.
All of Animal Farm was a fascist dictatorship growing out of people fucking over other people.
Very frustrating.
dan friesen
Right.
Which people are stupid.
Which can spring out of capitalism just as easily.
jordan holmes
Well, clearly.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
So anyway, it can spring out of anywhere where income inequality is the not just the driving force of everything.
dan friesen
I had to pause there.
jordan holmes
Like some are more equal than others, and it doesn't get more obvious than that than now.
alex jones
Right.
jordan holmes
Whenever we have fucking billionaires who are unafraid of nuclear war because they're making tax cuts.
dan friesen
They have armored redoubts.
jordan holmes
Unbelievable.
dan friesen
So anyway, the context of this, again, in case you forgot, was that Alex, he knows.
jordan holmes
I love it when you pre-remind me what's going on after I go on to a weird rant.
dan friesen
It's just him exploiting that trick that he described in 2011.
jordan holmes
Absolutely.
alex jones
Communism accounts for over 80 percent of deaths by government in the last 100 years since the volus in the eyes of the globalist.
jordan holmes
Can you get some numbers to set that up for me?
alex jones
Anti-Christian, anti-family, anti-God bloodbath, orgy of carnage and death.
That is the great vampiric red terror suckling on the blood of your children.
That's who they are.
dan friesen
So there we go.
unidentified
40% off on no, no, no, not this time.
alex jones
Yeah.
dan friesen
But like that, that's it.
That's that.
I mean, that's what he's doing.
He described the trick six years ago on air, and he's been doing it with great effect since.
unidentified
Absolutely.
dan friesen
He's exploiting that natural fear and natural desire to fight back and band together.
He's created a community out of it.
And it's a community based on fear and hate.
jordan holmes
Yeah, in 2011, he does wind up making a very, whether or not he means to, but a very great point about our government, which is that nothing brings everybody together like dropping a bomb or murdering somebody.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
Everybody in D.C. gets a huge heart on when they murder somebody.
dan friesen
This goes back to like the thing that I talk about a bit about how he's a different person than he was years ago.
Like you can see these glimmers of like much, much closer to rational human.
Absolutely.
And I know that the chat room loves to fucking come down on me anytime I say someone's reasonable.
But like past Alex Jones is much closer to that.
In the sense that even what you're describing, he's making a fair point.
No, I mean, to some degree.
jordan holmes
Immediately after Trump dropped the mother of all bombs, everybody was like, now he's presidential.
And you're like, fucking kill us all.
There's no point.
If you guys are going to suck his dick after he drops every bomb, fuck you.
dan friesen
It's going to be a bad.
jordan holmes
It's going to be a bad run.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So at this point in the episode here on the 19th, Alex pivots and gets into talking a ton about Hollywood.
And in this clip, he starts by describing the sort of tiered layers of depravity that are in Hollywood and then gets weird.
alex jones
So it goes from the heterosexual to the homosexual to the pedophilia and then it's human sacrifice, torture, death, murder.
And they prime people with things like 50 Shades of Gray and all this to get people into it thinking it's avant-garde.
Finally, the 10 or 15th time you're in that dungeon and didn't tell anybody where you were going.
Once you've been running around with a bunch of folks and they think they've got you where they want you, they're not going to let you out of those ropes.
You're going to be down there for a couple weeks if you're lucky, maybe a few months.
So they might keep you for a couple years in a dungeon.
jordan holmes
I feel like you have somebody.
alex jones
They're going to come in and laugh at you with the bones sticking out of your side, begging for your mommy.
And just finally, when you become a gibbering, wailing person, finally when they hear you making happy noises, totally mentally ill, totally broken, they're going to say, get that slab of crap out of here and throw it in the river.
They're going to open an acid bath up and dunk you in there.
Hollywood doesn't like it when I tell you this.
Hollywood is a spider hole for devil worshipers to get your young daughters and sons out there so they can rape them and torture them to death.
jordan holmes
So again, protecting the women and children.
dan friesen
He's exploiting the trick again.
jordan holmes
They are your enemies.
dan friesen
That's all he does.
When you really break it down, when you start to see, like, the problem that he has is that all of these things that he said over the years are on record.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
So when we take that clip from 2011, we're aware that he knows that this is a trick people can employ.
He's cognizant of it.
It's not like he's forgotten in the last six years this awareness that like, oh, you can really, really get to people.
You can fuck with them and get them to change a lot of their beliefs if they think that their loved ones are threatened.
Yeah.
jordan holmes
There you go.
dan friesen
Yeah, it really makes all this very disingenuous.
jordan holmes
It's almost like in 2011, he pointed that out and like a light bulb went off in his head.
He was like, oh, no wonder people aren't listening enough to me.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
I'm not exploiting their fears, duh.
dan friesen
Buckley, write it down.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Write this down, Buckley.
Scare people.
jordan holmes
No one's ever written that down before, Buckley.
That's a completely original idea.
dan friesen
I'm the greatest.
unidentified
Ah!
dan friesen
Now spin the wheels of steel.
jordan holmes
And get that lady out of my basement.
dan friesen
Periodic.
Throw her in an acid bath.
jordan holmes
Come on, throw her in an acid bath already.
dan friesen
Periodic reminder that Buckley is also a DJ, apparently.
So, anyway, in this next clip, Alex uses the trick some more.
alex jones
There's some type of demon energy in the universe that enters into people and always manifests this from a sociological, archaeological point.
It's a known fact.
We're facing hordes.
jordan holmes
Ourologists have discovered demon energy.
And we're, he's like, that's famously an issue with archaeologists all the time.
I saw Indiana Jones.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
Demon energy is all over the place.
dan friesen
The enemies, Alex Jones' enemies, are demon beings, and there's a horde of Satan worshipers that he's up against.
It's dehumanizing of your opposition.
jordan holmes
Yeah, definitely don't definitely don't speak to them.
Definitely don't learn from them.
dan friesen
Kill them on site.
jordan holmes
Make sure that they are dead.
dan friesen
Yeah, kill them on site.
jordan holmes
The only way we're going to get back to prosperity is if we kill all the devil worshipers.
dan friesen
And you know the devil worshipers because they disagree with Alex.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
And they are not heterosexuals.
dan friesen
No, which is at the top.
jordan holmes
Which is at the top.
dan friesen
Then homosexual, then pedophile, then death cult, I guess.
Yeah, very weird.
So in this next clip, Alex reveals.
So on a recent episode, he revealed that in a meeting with a Hollywood executive, he was sexually assaulted.
unidentified
Yes.
dan friesen
Which, again, we're not making fun of.
But I will make fun of this.
He has another discussion about a meeting with a Hollywood executive that is less believable and dumb.
jordan holmes
Where he sexually assaults him?
dan friesen
No.
Okay.
But Mark Dice does get involved.
alex jones
Oh, boy.
The devil can take a big old jump in the lake, as they say.
Yeah, Katy Perry says she sold her soul the devil.
They don't just do that to act.
Cool.
I've been in Hollywood and I've had people ask me, hey, the devil isn't that bad.
Lucifer isn't that bad.
All you got to do is renounce Christ.
And you're going to be a very, very rich man.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
Sure.
alex jones
I never told that story until Mark Dice told it.
dan friesen
So we'll get back to Mark Dice.
jordan holmes
I haven't told that lie until Mark Dice lied about it.
dan friesen
We'll get back to Mark Dice's story here in a second, but like Alex has told this a couple times on air.
He'll go to a party in Hollywood and he'll be like, you know, I was at this party and then someone would come up to me and be like, hey, we're about to worship Satan, so you should get out of here if you don't want to be involved.
jordan holmes
I like the idea that in the meeting with a Hollywood executive, he's like, listen, I love your pitch.
We're going to green light it.
dan friesen
Your money.
jordan holmes
Devil ain't that bad.
Devil ain't that bad.
You ever worship Lucifer?
dan friesen
Lucifer was pretty cool.
unidentified
Not a bad guy.
dan friesen
Yeah, he's got a, you know, he's very generous.
He's a good golfer.
jordan holmes
Loves you, so long as you don't tell him to go jump in a lake.
dan friesen
Just got to renounce God.
jordan holmes
Doesn't like water.
alex jones
No.
dan friesen
The idea, the very idea that you would be at a party and someone's like, look, dude, we're about to worship Satan.
You got to get out of here.
My first instinct would be like, first of all, I'm staying.
Yeah, of course.
Yeah.
I don't have to worship Satan.
I still could be around.
My second thought is they want me out of here.
Like, I'm a buzzkill.
Yeah.
This party, it would be better without me.
They're just fucking with me to get me to leave.
jordan holmes
I am now, anytime I, one, I have not been to a party in such a long time.
Two, the next party I go to, I'm going to be like, hey, dude, we're about to worship the devil.
So if you make your decision now, but let me tell you something.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Gonna get hot.
dan friesen
Yeah.
He also has some stories about, like, we're about to bring some kids out or something like that.
It's like, you're just making this up.
jordan holmes
We're about to bring some kids.
dan friesen
He's just making shit up about weird Hollywood parties he's been to or misrepresenting someone trying to get rid of him.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
I think the latter is probably more likely.
Anyway, let's hear what happened to Mark Dice.
alex jones
Mark Dice is there at one of the biggest reality TV show companies in the world.
They're offering him his show for the lead members of Motley Crew.
dan friesen
Probably Tommy Lee, I guess.
Vince Neal?
Hmm.
Nikki Sick.
alex jones
And he's in there alone with the head producer, the head of the company.
And the guy looks at him and he says, you know what?
I like the devil, and I worship the devil.
And Lucifer's God.
And if you'll just tell me that you worship Lucifer, I'm going to give you this shop.
Mark Dice wouldn't worship Lucifer.
dan friesen
Good for him.
alex jones
Two stupid reality show.
Who wants it?
I've been on the shows and that to worship the devil.
Who cares?
jordan holmes
Good for you, Mark.
alex jones
Having no reality.
In-depth discussion with you, being able to really long form break things down, really talking about what's happening is so much better than being in some decadent, dirty mega city with a bunch of soulless people.
dan friesen
I got bad news for you, Alex.
You do not break things down long form.
unidentified
No.
dan friesen
That is.
You have a very warped view of what your show is.
jordan holmes
You can't even listen to Joe Biden talk for 30 seconds.
dan friesen
Not even two seconds.
jordan holmes
No, that's true.
dan friesen
You're just a distracted ball of bullshit.
Yeah.
Good on you.
Good on you.
You're making money.
Anyway, I just kept this next clip in because it's not true.
jordan holmes
I know, but let's just workshop this.
unidentified
Okay.
jordan holmes
All right.
dan friesen
So let me, should I be the executive?
jordan holmes
I don't know if we even need to do that.
I just need to figure out what is your lead-in to we're going to worship the devil.
dan friesen
So in this show, Tommy Lee is going to pretend to go back to college.
Okay.
And you want to say?
jordan holmes
I am Mark Dice.
dan friesen
That's actually true.
jordan holmes
I am actually into Satan.
dan friesen
That's too dynamic of a voice.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's a good point.
dan friesen
The thing is, this is nitpicking a little bit, but the owner of the company, the biggest reality show company in the world, also is the producer of this show.
It seems unlikely that that would be the same person.
jordan holmes
You got to get your hands dirty.
I didn't start the largest reality TV show production company in the world to not get involved.
dan friesen
Right.
And I did it just two years later.
Fuck with Mark Dice.
jordan holmes
That'd be funny.
dan friesen
Let's start a reality show.
That's where this has got to go.
jordan holmes
We got to have a reality show called Fucking With Mark Dice.
dan friesen
Oh, let's move to LA.
jordan holmes
Absolutely.
I'm up for worshiping some devil.
dan friesen
It'd be great if Alex had a story like this for all of his employees.
One time Owen Shroyer was tempted.
alex jones
Oh, man.
jordan holmes
Jerome Corsi, he's working in D.C., who wrote this long article about how Joe Biden came up to him one night and he was like, listen, I think it's important that we honor social norms.
And I think basic competency at your job is only really achievable if you worship the devil.
dan friesen
Oh, my God.
Also, a little fun fact about Jerome Corsi, if there are any.
In trying to find that article that Alex keeps referencing, or it was referencing, I searched Infowars.com for Jerome Corsi.
And one of the things that came up was an article from September.
I don't remember what month, actually.
It was 2011.
And in it, Jerome Corsi was making the argument that Donald Trump was working with Obama.
The entire birther thing was a setup.
And Donald Trump was making a big deal out of it just so Obama could come out with and destroy the entire narrative when the truth is, actually, I mean, it is all fake.
There's a fake birth certificate.
So Donald Trump was in on it as a setup.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
They need to take that stuff off the website.
alex jones
Okay.
jordan holmes
If I understand this correctly.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
Trump knew.
Or Obama has a fake birth certificate.
Right.
Not from here.
unidentified
Yes.
jordan holmes
He and Trump get to talking.
unidentified
Right.
jordan holmes
And Obama's like, here's the only way that I'm going to get away with this.
dan friesen
I need cover.
jordan holmes
I need you, noted lunatic Donald Trump to pretend that you're a racist, which we both know can't be true.
dan friesen
No evidence of that.
jordan holmes
And claim that my birth certificate isn't real.
That way, I can go on TV and say that it is real.
dan friesen
Yep.
jordan holmes
And no one will believe you, Donald Trump.
dan friesen
That's basically what Jerome Coursey is arguing.
Gotcha.
So he has a good history.
jordan holmes
Speaking of which.
dan friesen
And also, he claims to be friends with Trump for like the last 40 years, which seems to fly in the face of him making that kind of an accusation just six years ago.
jordan holmes
Just from a purely objective standpoint, how's Corsi's writing?
Is he any good?
unidentified
No.
dan friesen
I mean, it's fine.
He's competent.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Do you mean he can spell?
dan friesen
No bells and whistles, I'll say that.
Speaking of bells and whistles, though.
jordan holmes
God damn it.
What a great transition.
dan friesen
I kept this clip in just because he does my favorite voice.
It's a short clip, but it's my favorite voice.
alex jones
You're going to enjoy it, Fisher.
Come on, here, Smart.
You're going to like it.
Because you're going to float, too.
It's so lovely.
jordan holmes
Although maybe it's real because he does love.
alex jones
All the big feminist leaders said we shouldn't have families.
That hurts women.
We should have the trannies teach the three-year-olds it's liberal.
jordan holmes
Liberal.
alex jones
Families are bad.
unidentified
Stick your arm in this drainage ditch.
dan friesen
The voice is just.
jordan holmes
Families are bad.
dan friesen
The voice that I like is.
jordan holmes
Stick your arm in this drainage ditch.
dan friesen
It's more it the clown stuff, as he would say.
jordan holmes
You ever hear about the devil?
dan friesen
Pennywise asked him, you want to do the devil?
jordan holmes
Oh, I was walking by a sewer grade the other day.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
There's an executive down there.
jordan holmes
Pennywise, who is the executive of the largest reality TV show production company.
dan friesen
Yeah, the only voice that I like that I was referencing is the liberal.
I just like that.
Liberal.
alex jones
Liberal.
jordan holmes
Oh, man.
dan friesen
So now we get into something that is a little bit maybe slightly uncomfortable.
Maybe not.
I don't know.
Millie Weaver comes on.
And one of the reasons she comes on is that she was the way she phrases it is exploited and sexually assaulted when she Alex Jones.
When she was an actress in Hollywood.
jordan holmes
Oh, okay.
dan friesen
Before she came to InfoWars.
unidentified
Right.
jordan holmes
Well, then I believe her.
unidentified
Sure.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And they talk about it a little bit, and I, you know, I don't want to get into it because I generally don't like her work, and I don't want to say anything negative about that.
I support her, and I feel empathic.
But be that as it may, she has an interesting take on the abuse in Hollywood.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
If Ann Coulter came out and said that she was sexually assaulted, which she worked at Fox News, so.
dan friesen
She wouldn't work there.
She was a contributor.
jordan holmes
She went to the office.
I imagine the moment you walk in.
dan friesen
Fair enough.
jordan holmes
But yeah, if she comes out and says so, I believe her, and I think that's awful.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
But you can still be a fucking horrific person.
dan friesen
Agreed.
So here I have three clips where she lays out a very clunky solution to the abuse in Hollywood.
And I don't like it.
I don't like it at all.
jordan holmes
Oh, no.
millie weaver
The media is trying to do in hijacking these celebrity women's abuses by telling all women that, see, this is all a problem of masculinity.
It's all men's fault.
Men are the bad guys in general.
When in reality, you have a handful of predatory-type men out there.
And what needs to happen with the real men out there, the good-hearted men out there, they need to, instead of saying, oh, well, you know, okay, and try to disinvalidate it by saying, you know, these women, maybe they're asking for it, maybe they're trading for their career or whatever.
No, the real men need to say, you know what?
We're going to take on these women's plight.
We're going to fight these predatory disgusting.
alex jones
And then that way the leftist can't be the gatekeepers.
She's going to control the environmental movement, but want to tax carbon dioxide.
jordan holmes
No, of course.
So the problem is that men aren't fighting for women and forcing them to, again, stay silent in the background.
dan friesen
Well, there's an element of that in there.
And the only thing I really want to pull out of there really specifically is that Alex, one of his immediate reactions was, you know, what you're getting into in Hollywood.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
So whenever she's talking about the real men, she shouldn't blame the women or anything like that.
jordan holmes
She is not talking about Alex Jones.
dan friesen
Alex is sitting right there.
He has said all that stuff, except for he stopped just short of what are they wearing?
That sort of thing.
So that's that's it.
Let me let me play the next clips before you react because she sort of is it going to get much worse?
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Because that right there, she's not doing a good job of speaking English.
dan friesen
There is a point in there that is reasonable.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
There are.
It falls by the wayside.
jordan holmes
You know what she did?
She combined hashtag not all men with a good point, which is that it is by a lot of silent complicity that powerful men get away with this bullshit.
dan friesen
Yeah, it's a system.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
But she then is falling back on it's just a couple of bad eggs kind of thing.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
But hashtag not all men.
dan friesen
Her take on it is, like I said, as she reiterates it, it gets worse.
millie weaver
Exactly.
If you want to take down feminism because feminism is vile, it's repulsive.
It's all about man-hating, and I will not stand up.
alex jones
And it's all about weird technocrat women controlling women.
millie weaver
Exactly.
alex jones
And if you don't have a husband that's there to defend you and help you and you help him, the state's your husband.
millie weaver
Exactly.
The women are forced to go to these feminist women that hate men for help rather than going to the real men in society, the men that can actually stand up and say, We're going to come after the Harvey Weinsteins.
We're going to come after these sick predators that want to do this to women.
jordan holmes
So what you're saying is it's not men who are the problem.
It's men who are the problem.
dan friesen
Right, right.
And it's women for not relying on men.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
It's almost as though women have been burned so many times in the past they find it difficult to rely on men, seeing as how men in their lives have so often proved themselves to be unreliable.
dan friesen
Interesting.
Interesting take.
So now let's get to this last enumeration of her sort of perspective.
jordan holmes
This one's actually dumb and inconsistent and doesn't make any fucking sense.
dan friesen
And I think what she's espousing here in this last one is actually really, really dangerous advice.
But we'll see.
millie weaver
You know, and it kind of reminds me of this story that Gavin told me about his grandpa and how times used to be versus how they are now.
You know, they're putting all these chemicals in the water to try and lower sperm counts.
But, you know, I want to talk about his grandpa.
Apparently, one of their neighbors kept beating his wife.
Okay.
And the men kept finding out, and Gavin's grandpa kept finding out through the wives.
The wives would keep complaining, you know, this guy, he keeps beating our friend so-and-so.
He's beating his wife.
And you know what they did?
They went over there with guns and they beat him up and said, If you ever put your hand on this woman again, we will mess you up bad.
And you know what?
He stopped, and the women stopped complaining.
Their wives stopped complaining, and they didn't need feminism because men acted like men.
Men acted like men.
And nowadays, it's like the guy's beating up the women.
The women are all hearing the other women complain, and the men aren't doing anything.
So what do they do?
They go to the feminists who are going to try to demonize all men.
alex jones
They are actually more like madams.
unidentified
So.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
You know, in the real world.
jordan holmes
So they do understand that both men are acting violent.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
And that is an issue.
dan friesen
Well, two negatives make a positive.
I don't.
jordan holmes
I think if you multiply them, but that's not how.
dan friesen
Well, and also the you know, situations like this generally end in the battered wife getting killed.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
That's usually how this escalates.
It doesn't usually work that like a physically violent, abusive man gets beat up by other men, and then he's like, oh, I've realized the error of my way.
jordan holmes
Yeah, no kidding.
dan friesen
That doesn't work.
It doesn't happen like that.
jordan holmes
Violence is the answer.
If violence worked the first time and then I got violenced on, violence doesn't wait.
dan friesen
Quite frankly, like what she's espousing could get someone killed.
jordan holmes
How many mass shooters have history of domestic violence?
dan friesen
Fucking all of them.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
unidentified
That is so bad take.
jordan holmes
And it reveals exactly the issue again, which is she even said it.
The women kept complaining.
dan friesen
And then once they beat the guy up, the women stopped complaining.
jordan holmes
Kept complaining.
Which means they had to complain a lot, which means that the men once again did not believe them.
And she got beaten up even more.
And then once they beat the fuck out of that guy, they stopped complaining, which I'm sure had nothing to do with the fact that maybe they got retaliated on.
dan friesen
You know what she's basically saying?
Like the best system for dealing with this stuff is?
It's a nickelback song.
They have a song called Never Again that is just that.
Like the Chad Kroger is singing about living downstairs from a lady that's getting beat.
unidentified
I don't know.
dan friesen
So he goes up and he kicks the guy's ass.
jordan holmes
I don't need another reason to hate Nickelback.
dan friesen
Right.
But you know what I'm saying?
It's like this is nickelback song lyric level of analysis of a real world problem.
jordan holmes
That's the most scathing criticism I have ever heard.
dan friesen
You're welcome.
jordan holmes
This is nickelback level stupidity.
dan friesen
Yeah, yeah.
And they're not even trying to like do a political show.
unidentified
No.
dan friesen
They're singing.
jordan holmes
They're just trying to be good old Canadian white men.
dan friesen
They're just trying to play state fairs.
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Who Among Us is not?
dan friesen
I'm sorry, province fairs.
jordan holmes
Speaking of which, speaking of which, Illinois, we will do a live knowledge fight at the state fair.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
I will take a deep fried butter.
dan friesen
So we have one more clip here.
And this one, Alex reveals that one of the hosts of The View wanted to fuck him.
jordan holmes
Which knows?
dan friesen
I'm not sure if I believe him.
jordan holmes
It's got to be whooping.
dan friesen
It's not Elizabeth Hasselback.
jordan holmes
I'll tell you that.
alex jones
Famous feminists.
And they, even though they're old women, they actually hit on you.
I mean, I'll just say it because they put Joy Behar image on Twitter grabbing a man's genitals without asking.
I mean, she didn't do that, but I was on CNN with her too, not just The View.
And she's like, you're a good-looking young man.
How long are you in New York?
And she didn't go all the way, but it was like the famous madam in the movie, like, hey, baby, why don't you come up here and see me sometime?
And for an older woman, I mean, she was definitely putting it on.
And what joking?
Well, I'm not going to say arrest her because she grabbed a guy's genitals.
You know, the point is, the next time he said stop, though, then it would be ripe if she continued.
But it just shows what a bunch of hypocrites they are.
millie weaver
Exactly.
I have actually met and been told about and was in circles with people who are like, oh, yeah, that's so-and-so.
She's a Madam.
And the Madams have tried to come and talk about it.
alex jones
And again, you got a lot of women that just have that Madam spirit as well for the powerful men.
We're going to go to break, come back with more.
Just briefly, folks.
jordan holmes
Gotcha.
alex jones
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They're obsessed with demonizing our products all over national television because they're so good.
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dan friesen
That's why.
jordan holmes
That's why.
dan friesen
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jordan holmes
That's not good.
dan friesen
No.
jordan holmes
That's not good.
I like how awful they're, like, she was an older woman interested in sex.
dan friesen
Yeah.
alex jones
Whoa!
dan friesen
She's a madam.
jordan holmes
Oh, Jesus.
dan friesen
Joy Behar did not want to fuck you, Alex.
jordan holmes
Could anybody be it's hard to imagine more misogynist people than those at Infowar.
dan friesen
And just all around gross.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Just gross.
Exactly.
That weird sex dungeon fantasy, I don't, I really don't know.
dan friesen
It comes from a real place.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Yeah.
And even beyond that, it is just that 2011 trick that he described.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Even no matter what, it's just a manifestation of this.
I'm trying to scare you about your supposed enemies.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
And so, like, what we come away from this with is Alex blew it in terms of the timeline of his narrative about Hillary Clinton trying to deflect from their Russia shit by accusing these folks of Russia.
jordan holmes
Seeing how he did that.
dan friesen
He started it.
Yeah.
Long before Trump.
jordan holmes
You started it.
dan friesen
Right.
Unfortunately, history bears out that our side of this is correct.
jordan holmes
And that has not helped us yet.
dan friesen
And it won't.
jordan holmes
Being correct is only damaging us, really.
dan friesen
Quite frankly, it turns people off.
Anyway, if you'd like to find out more about the show, we have a website, knowledgefight.com.
jordan holmes
Yeah, posted a new blog today.
Then you can follow us on Twitter.
It's at knowledge underscore fights.
dan friesen
That's correct.
We're also on Facebook.
jordan holmes
You can go to iTunes, leave a review, give us nice words.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
I like nice words.
dan friesen
Rip it.
I give it a B. That's not nice.
B minus.
jordan holmes
You know who else gets a B minus.
dan friesen
Hold on, Richelieu.
jordan holmes
We got another plug?
dan friesen
Yeah, we're on.
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We would appreciate it because I'm not going to have a job in a week.
Nope.
I need your help to find nuggets like that.
To find nuggets like Alex Jones talk to Russian intelligence.
To find nuggets like Larry Nichols straight up blackmailing Congress.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
To find this instance of their timeline being completely fucked up.
jordan holmes
And to discover that archaeologists have always known about demon energy.
dan friesen
Demons.
jordan holmes
Demons.
Right.
dan friesen
I'm sure you got that from Steve Quayle.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
The guy who studies.
jordan holmes
Or in the Simpsons episode where they found an angel.
dan friesen
Yeah, it's possible.
But you know who's not an angel.
jordan holmes
Ah, damn it.
You did so much better than me.
dan friesen
It was this old asshole.
jordan holmes
He fucking quit.
dan friesen
He's this asshole, dude.
He's old.
unidentified
Oh, yeah?
Yeah.
dan friesen
And you know what?
jordan holmes
Let me ask you a question.
dan friesen
He's going to die soon.
jordan holmes
How does he feel about the devil?
dan friesen
You know what he thinks about the devil?
unidentified
What?
dan friesen
He thinks that he knows that the devil is a coming for him.
unidentified
Okay.
dan friesen
He knows that.
jordan holmes
But he's still trying to say, go jump in the lake, devil.
dan friesen
But he knows that before the devil gets his hands on him, he's going to have to die.
And when he dies, may the wolf choke on his flesh.
alex jones
Ah, yes!
dan friesen
But still, go fuck yourself, John Rabbaport.
alex jones
Andy in Kansas, you're on the air.
Thanks for holding.
jordan holmes
Hello, Alex.
unidentified
I'm a first-time caller.
I'm a huge fan.
alex jones
I love your work.
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