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Oct. 17, 2017 - Knowledge Fight
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#92: October 13 & 16, 2017

Today, Dan tells Jordan all about what happened on last Friday and this Monday's episodes of The Alex Jones Show. The episode begins with a discussion of why it appears that Alex is in league with Nazis, then spirals out of control as Alex makes a surprising confession, Owen Shroyer shows his incompetence, and Alex gets very introspective and starts speaking in riddles.

Participants
Main voices
a
alex jones
17:08
d
dan friesen
33:13
j
jordan holmes
23:36
Appearances
o
owen shroyer
01:31
Clips
m
mark dice
00:34
r
roger stone
00:29
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Speaker Time Text
alex jones
Andy in Kansas, you're on the air.
Thanks for holding.
unidentified
Alex, I'm a first-time caller.
I'm a huge fan.
I love your work.
alex jones
I love you.
dan friesen
Hey, everybody.
Welcome back to Knowledge Fight.
I'm Dan.
jordan holmes
I'm Jordan.
dan friesen
We are a couple dudes who like to sit around, drink novelty beverages, and talk a little bit about Alex Jones.
jordan holmes
That is correct.
Is there a twist to that?
Some sort of hook that would get people to listen?
dan friesen
There is a twist.
I am drinking a cappuccino beverage, and you are drinking an alcoholic beverage.
jordan holmes
I'm drinking Golden Road Wolf Pup Session IPA, which is terrible.
dan friesen
Oh, great.
jordan holmes
I wish I were drinking Revolution Beer.
dan friesen
There we go.
jordan holmes
Revolution Brewery.
Please sponsor us.
dan friesen
I was just thinking, how is this insulting the beer going to help us get a sponsor?
Oh, it's all about cooking.
jordan holmes
All about Revolution.
That's what it's about.
That's what I'm doing.
dan friesen
Smart.
I appreciate it.
jordan holmes
Absolutely.
dan friesen
I respect the game.
jordan holmes
Thank you.
dan friesen
Something wrong with my headphones.
Doesn't sound great.
Gotta be honest.
jordan holmes
No, that's you.
dan friesen
It probably is.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
Let's see.
Maybe I fiddle with this.
Eh, who cares?
Anyway, guys, welcome back.
This is a podcast where we talk about Alex Jones.
We are going to be going over a lot of stuff today.
We're going to have a number of days.
That we're going to be covering today because we were off for a little bit at the end of last week.
unidentified
Yes, sir.
dan friesen
And I want to deal with some issues, but first here is an out-of-context drop from Alex Jones.
alex jones
When I plug, we're in the black.
When I don't, we're in the red.
unidentified
Oh, boy.
dan friesen
Oh, boy.
jordan holmes
He's doing it wrong!
unidentified
Right.
jordan holmes
Wait, but he's always plugging, so then they must be the most profitable company in the history of the world.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
They have never had a bad day.
dan friesen
I think he meant it in reverse.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
But at the same time, no matter whether you were being accurate or not, it doesn't work.
jordan holmes
You are always plugging.
dan friesen
Yeah.
unidentified
ABP.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Always be plugging.
jordan holmes
I got it.
dan friesen
Yep.
Cappuccino beverages are for closers.
jordan holmes
All right.
dan friesen
So just to give a little bit of...
We just dropped on Monday.
We dropped our episode where Larry Nichols and us had a conversation for about 40 minutes.
And I want to just do a little bit of a post-mortem on that now that we're back together here sitting down and all the peeps have been able to listen to it.
And just say that that was not super pleasant for a number of reasons.
Well, I mean, we addressed that in the meantime.
We could do an entire episode breaking down why the FEMA provisional government isn't real.
jordan holmes
It's not real.
dan friesen
But that's all we'd do.
We'd just say that.
jordan holmes
Have we done that before?
I feel like we've covered the FEMA provisional government.
dan friesen
I've done a bunch of looking into it, and all it is is just these same continuity of government fears that Alex has.
unidentified
Right, right, right.
dan friesen
And most of it is based on the fact that FEMA was created by executive orders over a long span of presidents and never actually formalized into an actual government organization.
is executive control and and but it it doesn't it's not real and it's only popping up now because of larry nichols it's all larry nichols bringing it back up if you google it it's all it all goes back to him wow this is all just him all right He was peddling shit like this in the 90s, too.
Everything that's old is new again.
jordan holmes
So are we actually being run by a secret FEMA provisional government?
Even from Larry Nichols, there's a FEMA provisional government behind that.
dan friesen
But think about it in terms of what we've gone through.
jordan holmes
I can't do it.
It's mind-bogglingly stupid.
dan friesen
9-11 happened and the...
unidentified
FEMA?
dan friesen
Well, the plans had to be kicked in.
jordan holmes
But did FEMA do 9-11?
dan friesen
No.
But members of the government had to go to safe locations and stuff like that to assure the continuity of government.
Bush did set that into motion on 9-11, and it happens whenever there are disasters.
That's just a piece of, you know, it happens.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
It's all a nonsense, paranoid fear, and it mostly comes out of weird militia type.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
And it turns out, I think Larry is in that cadre.
jordan holmes
Either that or he's exploiting that cadre of idiots.
dan friesen
Yeah, and also his timeline about when he would have been involved in Iran-Contra just does not make sense.
jordan holmes
He's delivering that hard rice to Nicaragua!
dan friesen
None of it makes sense.
jordan holmes
None of it.
dan friesen
But I don't want to dwell on it too much.
I want to get it out of there.
Shake it off, as they say.
Get dust off our shoulders and what have you and move on to greener pastures.
jordan holmes
I love it when you do a camera take now.
dan friesen
Especially the wrong shoulder.
Yeah.
My distant shoulder from the camera.
jordan holmes
All of our podcast listeners love your camera takes.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So I want to tell everybody...
Who's listening live, we appreciate it, and then everyone who's listening later.
I want to make this appeal abundantly clear.
I have quit my job, and at the end of the month, I will not have a job.
And I want to do this in a much more serious way and a much more in-depth way.
And in order to do that, I need your help.
And generally, we put some sort of a lackadaisical plug at the end of the show or mention it when someone has become a policy wonk.
We say, you can too.
I want to be much more clear.
If you are in any way inclined to donate to our show, if you like what we do, please help.
We need the help.
I don't think...
Soros is gonna come through.
jordan holmes
I'm starting to think Soros ain't coming.
dan friesen
No, I'm starting to think that all of Alex's imagined enemies aren't real.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
If they were, man, they would love us.
dan friesen
They'd love us.
jordan holmes
We would be fucking millionaires.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
I would totally do some witch shit if it got us money for this.
dan friesen
Yeah, go hang out with Linda Bloodworth Thomas.
jordan holmes
Oh, fuck yeah!
I'll sacrifice your baby, Dan.
dan friesen
You can go to patreon.com slash knowledgefight or knowledgefight.com.
There's a button that says support the show.
And we really could use your help in order to make this real and make this work in the way that I want it to as a radio show, as a much more in-depth and thorough investigation.
I will set up a phone line so people can call in in episodes where Cthulhu's co-hosting with me.
We can have weirdo callers that sound a lot better than Larry Nichols' dumbass.
And I will track down other people.
I will hunt down other InfoWars-adjacent people and ask them the difficult questions.
jordan holmes
Dan.
dan friesen
What?
jordan holmes
Dan.
dan friesen
Yeah.
I will do this if I can make this my job.
jordan holmes
Carrie Cassidy.
dan friesen
I will talk to Carrie Cassidy.
jordan holmes
We gotta get Carrie.
dan friesen
I will get you in touch with her.
jordan holmes
I will...
One?
Is her dad still alive so I can get on one knee and ask him for permission to marry his daughter?
dan friesen
That's very old school.
jordan holmes
Two, she can't really be that anti-Semitic, right?
dan friesen
She is.
jordan holmes
Damn it!
dan friesen
Anyway, that's a protracted plug way more than I wanted it to be, but please, if you would like to help, we could use the help in order to survive.
And so I don't have to get another job.
I mean, quite frankly, I'll get a job if I need to, but if I get a job...
It's going to cut into this.
jordan holmes
It's weird.
dan friesen
Especially if I have to get a job where I work at night.
It's going to be a mess.
Or a job where I can't listen to Alex Jones and take notes all day.
It's going to be very difficult.
jordan holmes
It's a weird gig economy.
I quit my day job as well and I got a new shittier one.
And now I'm combining that with stand-up and this.
And it's like, I am working three times as much as I was before making half the money.
But goddammit if I'm not so much happier doing all of this shit, you know?
Like, if you can avoid the gig economy and actually just do something like...
I don't know.
How do we avoid calling this valuable?
Because I feel like that's...
dan friesen
I will validate...
jordan holmes
Because that's what I feel like it is.
dan friesen
I will validate that in a moment, but before I do, a game of Fuck, Marry, Kill has broken out in the chat room.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
And it's Fuck, Marry, Kill, me, you, and my cat.
This isn't good.
I'm going to tell you this.
I'm getting killed a lot.
jordan holmes
I assume so.
I imagine I'm getting fucked and the cat is the winner all across the board.
dan friesen
Yeah, the cat's getting married.
jordan holmes
Oh, yeah.
dan friesen
So, you don't want to call this important, but I'm going to make the argument that what we're doing is important.
And I'm going to do that by playing you two clips.
That I think are demonstrative of a very difficult problem that we have a thread on that I don't think most people are paying attention to.
This first clip comes from Sunday, September, nope, October 8th.
And I heard this clip, and I forgot to cut it, and I'm glad I did, because it comes in much more relevant now.
This is from a conversation that Alex has with Roger Stone on the Sunday show, and it's clear that Alex is drunk.
But be that as it may, there's a revelation here that's troubling.
alex jones
Roger somebody, Matt drudges somebody, because we built our own thing, like America.
And it's just like, good God, good God, do you not see the traitorous garbage we're dealing with?
roger stone
Well, and just the torrent of hate that is tossed our way when we simply try to express our own first amendment.
alex jones
It only encourages me, Roger.
unidentified
Well, I'm undaunted.
roger stone
Look, right now, Alex, I am rolling down that island south to have dinner with our fellow revolutionary Milo so we can begin plotting the next move against a globalist.
alex jones
So should we name you as a ship the Americana Dauntless?
dan friesen
So...
jordan holmes
That's a drunk man.
dan friesen
Right.
There's a couple things.
jordan holmes
Now, is that ship...
A Nazi boat?
dan friesen
No.
jordan holmes
Like his Halloween costume?
dan friesen
No, but it is a very specific boat from Star Trek Voyager, or a spaceship from Star Trek Voyager.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
It was a Borg ship.
jordan holmes
Right.
Wait, what?
dan friesen
That was designed to look like a Voyager ship in order to assimilate people who came aboard what looked like a human ship.
jordan holmes
And that's the type of shit that you're not going to get from any other show!
That type of insight!
dan friesen
It's also a generic name for a pleasure.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I know.
dan friesen
But be that as it may.
That's not the important point.
The important thing is Roger Stone is straight up saying in that clip that he is going south to meet up with our compatriot, our fellow revolutionary Milo.
Now why that's important is this interview happened.
Long after that BuzzFeed article came out, wherein we learned that one of Milo's primary objectives was to whitewash and make more palatable white supremacist and neo-Nazi talking points into mainstream discourse.
We found out that one of his email passwords was Kristallnacht, and another one was Night of the Long Knives.
It's undeniable that he has leanings towards neo-Nazism.
jordan holmes
He is a Nazi.
unidentified
Absolutely.
jordan holmes
And end of leanings, end of alt-right.
Alt-right means Nazi.
We're done.
We're done with alt-right, none of that bullshit.
Nazi.
dan friesen
And the fact that all of this has come out and Roger Stone is still calling him a fellow revolutionary and they're working together means he doesn't give a shit.
jordan holmes
Well, I mean, come on.
What is Roger Stone but Milo, you know, 40 years later?
dan friesen
They're both dapper.
jordan holmes
Roger Stone in his time was the...
He was a Nazi.
If you work with Nixon, you clearly had white supremacist leanings.
Are you shitting me?
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
All Nixon was was a palatable white supremacist, and he wasn't even that palatable!
dan friesen
The argument that I'm trying to make and that I'm trying to come to here is that we have a group of dudes here...
Who are clearly working on an operation.
They're working on an operation that is white supremacist, neo-Nazi in nature.
I don't think people are paying enough attention.
jordan holmes
Do you think, is that like a pride of lions?
Is that what we're going to call a group of dudes?
A group of dudes and Nazis?
dan friesen
Yeah, yeah.
But here's the other clip that is from the October 16th show.
That really brings home why they're doing this.
And it's the way they present it.
And it's not good.
alex jones
But right now, let's get back to the big story here.
You've got the Republican and Democratic Party leadership hanging on by their fingernails as a global populist movement explodes against unelected corporate world government that has bought and sold our politicians for at least 50 years.
dan friesen
They present this as a global populist uprising that's happening, when in reality, that is not what's happening.
That is not what's happening in the world.
They are on the side that's fighting against the UN and shit like that.
That would be, if you said those things 50 years ago, they'd be taken in their proper context.
jordan holmes
I mean, they are...
There is a global populist uprising.
It's just being co-opted by the very people that they are supposed to be uprising against.
Like, all they're really doing is using the Nazi white supremacy ideology as a way to shoehorn in people towards giving billionaires tax cuts.
Like, it's all perfectly manipulated.
Milo is owned by the Mercers.
Stone is indebted to all of these billionaires.
dan friesen
League with Bannon.
jordan holmes
Yeah, exactly.
All of these people who bitch and moan about how the billionaires have bought our politicians.
Are the very people who have been bought by the same billionaires who bought their politicians.
Right.
I hate to say controlled opposition because it's not even that.
It's just mind control.
dan friesen
And now take another step back.
So we have this Roger Stone is clearly still in league with Milo, still in league with this world that's only this far away from Daily Stormer.
Only this far away from that outright Nazi shit.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
Then we have Larry Nichols, who was so gracious enough to have a long conversation with us.
He brought up Troopergate in the conversation that we had.
And if you think about Troopergate, what was going on there was Larry was convincing these troopers and paying them to tell fake stories about, let's say, Vince Foster shit.
All sorts of salacious stuff against the Clintons.
And you know who was funding that?
It came out that it was a guy named Peter W. Smith, who was a Chicago banker who was funding it, who killed himself last year at the age of 81, one week after talking to the Wall Street Journal about how he was working with Russian hackers to try and find Hillary Clinton's emails on the request of Mike Flynn.
jordan holmes
I don't understand.
dan friesen
This fucking stuff.
jordan holmes
I don't see any problem with that.
It's such a mess.
There's nothing suspicious about that at all.
dan friesen
Such a mess.
jordan holmes
Well, do you know what's crazy?
He had a note pinned to his chest saying, call Larry Nichols.
dan friesen
These people are so...
I don't want to jump whole hog into this is a conspiracy.
jordan holmes
A massive conspiracy?
Do you mean a massive global conspiracy?
dan friesen
But you look at Larry Nichols' life and it seems like he's been conspiring pretty much the whole time.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And you look at all these other dudes, they're fucking conspiring.
On Alex Jones' show, they're doing it in public.
Like, it's very clear what they're doing.
unidentified
Alex has said, we caught him, he said that he talked to Russian intelligence.
dan friesen
All of it's so up front.
jordan holmes
The only question is always, who is conspiring with who, with whom, for what goals, and do they even know what it is that they're actually working towards?
Like, Milo has to have some awareness that he is acting well within the Mercer's interest.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
You would have to be fucking stupid not to know that.
Now, he, of course, probably has the idea that they're bankrolling his ideas.
dan friesen
Yes.
jordan holmes
As opposed to utilizing him as a propaganda tool to get their game.
dan friesen
Right.
Your ego probably doesn't let you think otherwise.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
So all of these guys are conspiring, imagining, or at least, I don't know, convincing themselves that it's towards their own gains, and they have no idea that they are not even players in the game.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
Like, that's what it seems like to me.
dan friesen
So, I agree.
And the point that that folds into is that all of this is going on, and we have a thread on all these fucking assholes.
And the picture starts to come into focus a little bit.
And I think that the easiest attackable point and the easiest exposable point, because we can do it very easily, is Alex Jones.
jordan holmes
Find the assholes.
dan friesen
And it's Alex.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
He's number one asshole.
He can't keep his mouth shut.
jordan holmes
No, absolutely not.
dan friesen
He fucking rambles all over the place, and we could pin him to the wall incredibly easily, as we have over and over again, if people would just pay attention.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
So now here's the other part of my thing.
If Alex Jones were to go down, if he were to disappear, I'm 100% convinced it would leave a massive hole.
And here's how I know that.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
David Knight is boring as shit.
jordan holmes
Agreed.
dan friesen
And he gave him three hours on his network.
jordan holmes
Wonderful.
dan friesen
The other person he gave three hours on his network is Owen Troyer.
jordan holmes
Hilariously awesome.
dan friesen
Who hosts the War Room after Alex Jones' show.
jordan holmes
I'm still going to call him Owen Troyer from now on.
dan friesen
That's fine.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
On the 16th, on October 16th, Alex leaves the show early.
And Owen Schroyer takes over.
And I have some clips that demonstrate that Owen Schroyer can't hang.
He can't do it.
If we're able to expose Alex in the way that I know we're capable of, what are you left with?
Boring-ass David Knight?
He's never going to inflame the neo-Nazis to action.
jordan holmes
Roger Stone can't fucking take over.
unidentified
No.
jordan holmes
Absolutely not.
dan friesen
He's too old and boring.
jordan holmes
No, you take down Alex, you take down all of him.
dan friesen
This operation's a disaster without him.
jordan holmes
Yeah, absolutely.
dan friesen
So here, listen to this.
I have three very specific clips from the 16th of Owen Schroer just not doing the job.
So here in this first clip, we see that one of Alex Jones' big tricks is he gets people really excited, screaming out to break.
Owen Schroer can't do it right.
owen shroyer
So Daniel DeJesus Rangel Scherer, 19, accused of murder, kidnapping, and possession of a weapon during a violent crime in connection with the death of an 18-year-old Diana Martinez Gonzalez.
So he takes Diana Martinez Gonzalez out to the woods, murders her.
There was one other victim that he probably would have also tried to murder, but she was able to get away.
And yes, this individual was protected from deportation because of the DACA program.
So there's one murderer, at least one that we know of, there's multiple, but here's one, a murderer, kept here because of Barack Obama.
jordan holmes
Do you hear that?
unidentified
Then the Democrats, a murderer, kept here because of the Democrats.
We'll be right back.
jordan holmes
Oh, man, is that bad.
dan friesen
That's not, like, I get it.
jordan holmes
Murder kept here by the Democrats.
dan friesen
I don't know if the sound mixing was bad or whatever, but he just, he can't do it.
He doesn't have that, like, Alex would be going every second until the fucking feed cut off.
jordan holmes
Absolutely.
dan friesen
He just, he can't.
He can't do it.
jordan holmes
Even his rage sounds pathetic.
alex jones
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Do you get it?
There's a murderer!
unidentified
Right.
jordan holmes
Like, he's terrible at this.
dan friesen
Then, one of Alex Jones' other big tricks is to scream about and complain about PC culture run amok.
Fucking Owen Schroer can't do that either.
Listen to how he fucks this up.
alex jones
This is from the College Fix.
owen shroyer
Ahead of Halloween, universities nationwide tell students what not to wear.
alex jones
So Alex has been telling you about this for a while.
owen shroyer
It's just gotten more extreme now.
unidentified
We are a culture, not a costume.
alex jones
Who are these people?
owen shroyer
Who are these people that are so indoctrinated into identity politics?
unidentified
That they can't even enjoy Halloween.
jordan holmes
It's insane!
unidentified
So then they go off and they tell you what you can't wear on Halloween.
jordan holmes
Blackface.
dan friesen
That is in the list.
jordan holmes
Oh, is it?
dan friesen
Yeah, we'll get to that in a second.
jordan holmes
What kind of people are obsessed with identity politics that they don't even love Al Jolson, Dan?
dan friesen
I don't know.
Most blackface, as we know, from Gavin McGinnis.
Or Nigel McGinnis?
I can't remember.
jordan holmes
Who cares?
dan friesen
One of those fucking idiots.
Most blackface was reverent.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Oh, very much.
dan friesen
But, you know, I get it.
You're not supposed to say the part, I'm a culture, not a costume, because that makes too much sense.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
When you're attacking this article, you're not supposed to say the things that most people thinking will be like, oh, that makes sense.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
And then you're definitely not supposed to do this.
unidentified
It's all because of cultural appropriation.
owen shroyer
Unacceptable costumes are wearing Native American headdresses, dressing up as Mexican by wearing a sombrero, dressing as a Gaisha, or any form of blackface.
I don't know about blackface, but Native Americans, you know, Indians or whatever, and Mexicans, they're always some of the most popular costumes.
unidentified
You know, you walk around as Mexican, you're handing out tequila, you're having a good time, everybody loves you.
I remember I was...
They're going to use this against me.
owen shroyer
I dressed up as an Indian one year, and it was one of the most popular costumes I ever did.
jordan holmes
I went full character.
The character was Bearclaw.
Everybody loved it.
unidentified
Nobody got offended.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
I imagine.
Now, I don't know what kind of people Owen Troyer hangs around with.
dan friesen
You might self-select.
jordan holmes
I'm guessing none of them are First Nation.
dan friesen
I'm going to guess not.
jordan holmes
I'm going to guess none.
I'm going to guess zero.
I'm going to guess all white.
dan friesen
I would assume so.
And if Alex was telling this story, someone else would be doing it and he would be defending their behavior.
jordan holmes
Of course.
dan friesen
As opposed to putting himself in the hopper where I'm the guy who dressed up like Bearclaw.
jordan holmes
And not just that, but there would be a whole story around it.
There would be a whole group of...
Two people came up to me and they said, you know, I don't even understand.
I don't know why it is that people aren't allowed to wear this costume.
All of a sudden, there are imaginary people on his team.
dan friesen
And one of them might have been an Arab.
jordan holmes
Oh, of course!
A Jew came up to me.
Wait, don't say Jew like that, Alex.
But, okay.
dan friesen
It'll be Halloween story all over again.
jordan holmes
Not least of which, even when he was trying to be ridiculing in his tone of voice when he's reading the list, he can't pull it off.
So just like, you can't dress like a Native American.
He sounds like a professor reading it going like, yeah, no, you can't do this.
dan friesen
He's terrible.
jordan holmes
I don't like how we're critiquing him on how to be a better shitty propagandist.
dan friesen
Well, I'm just saying that he can't cut it.
jordan holmes
He's not.
dan friesen
He's not good at this.
And then the other thing, too, is if you're going to be like, I had a Native American concert.
Whoa.
jordan holmes
Costume?
Alright, alright!
dan friesen
I had a Native American costume.
I was a huge hit.
Everyone called me Bearclaw.
jordan holmes
Didn't say Native American.
dan friesen
Right.
I'm like, what are you doing?
Are you being a Tim McGraw song?
What are you doing?
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
All my friends call me Bearclaw.
Just my papa!
Takes an order for my mama.
unidentified
All right, get out of here.
dan friesen
I'm an Indian outlaw.
jordan holmes
Okay, here's a new pitch.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
All right, we abandon this show.
dan friesen
No.
jordan holmes
Instead, we get hired by InfoWars to train his shitty guys to get into shape.
dan friesen
Seriously.
jordan holmes
Nobody could coach Alex Jones-like people better than us.
dan friesen
This is not a bad plan.
Dude, we could be great consultants.
jordan holmes
Oh my God, we'd crush consulting for InfoWars.
dan friesen
We'd have to leave Alex alone because you don't make sense what you do.
We would tell you to do something different, but apparently it works.
But all these other guys, jeez.
jordan holmes
Dude, you gotta work on that.
dan friesen
So in this last clip of Owen Schroyer, he was...
jordan holmes
Yeah, we're now officially free agent mercenaries.
We'll train anybody to become a propagandist.
dan friesen
At the end of the month, I need the money.
jordan holmes
Somehow we've become the best acting coaches for propagandists that you could ever have.
dan friesen
We at least know what sucks, and it's Owen Schroyer.
jordan holmes
Right, absolutely.
dan friesen
In this next clip, and I didn't take these from the war room.
This is him in the big leagues.
This is him stepping into daddy's chair.
And he's fucking up like this.
Listen to this.
He's trying to talk about the situation with Colin Kaepernick.
This is not going to go well.
It's not what you think, but it's terrible.
owen shroyer
Colin Kaepernick's support is dwindling.
mark dice
NFL ratings are dwindling.
jordan holmes
NFL attendance is dwindling.
owen shroyer
And it all started because Kaepernick wanted to protest the national anthem.
Yeah, okay, you can say it was against police, you can say it was against that, but optics become the story.
mark dice
You're kneeling during the national anthem.
unidentified
That's never going to win.
dan friesen
Alex would never say optics become the story, because you know what that means?
We lie.
unidentified
Oh!
jordan holmes
I don't understand!
dan friesen
That means we know what the real story is, but we exploit the appearance in order to make racists angry.
jordan holmes
I don't understand.
That's fucking terrible!
Clearly, he's just telling the truth, man.
Unfortunately, he doesn't even know, does he?
He has no idea that he's giving up the game so obviously.
dan friesen
No, of course not, because you look at his face and he's like, well, you know, it's probably about police brutality.
unidentified
Yeah, I know!
dan friesen
He's accidentally too reasonable.
jordan holmes
He's accidentally making our point for us.
dan friesen
Yeah, absolutely.
jordan holmes
The opening to that was like...
Oh, yeah.
No, you're right.
He started all of this and now he doesn't have a job.
So, one, that proves collusion.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
Obviously.
dan friesen
It seems like it's indicative of it.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Two, you just clearly made the point that, yes, it was about cops killing black people.
dan friesen
Right.
And you know it.
jordan holmes
That's not important.
dan friesen
And you know it.
jordan holmes
He knows it.
dan friesen
You know it damn well.
unidentified
Absolutely.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
But he's giving Kaepernick advice!
We're trying to get him into shape for Alex Jones, and he's giving Kaepernick advice on how to do it right!
dan friesen
It's like Colin, Colin, baby.
jordan holmes
Hey.
dan friesen
Optics.
jordan holmes
You gotta make sure that people view it in the right light.
dan friesen
Right.
And that whole argument, optics become the story, is kind of like, well, you're kind of...
Who cares?
Anyway, the...
jordan holmes
Optics become the story.
Which means we can lie about whatever it is you're looking at.
dan friesen
Yeah, who cares?
I think we've made our point.
Owen Troyer sucks.
There's no one competent to take over.
Once Daddy's gone, the kids can't hang.
There's no adults there other than him.
Is Buckley going to come out from behind the camera and host?
Who's going to do it?
jordan holmes
It seems as though Alex is the only one who...
Like, they all are probably believers.
dan friesen
Cernovich can't even do it.
jordan holmes
Oh, no.
Cernovich sucks.
dan friesen
No, he's a disaster.
jordan holmes
No, so what I gather from these people is that they're all actual believers.
dan friesen
No.
jordan holmes
You don't think so?
dan friesen
I don't fucking think so at all.
jordan holmes
You don't think Owen Troyer believes his bullshit?
unidentified
No, because if Owen Troyer believed it, he wouldn't have said any of that stuff.
dan friesen
He wouldn't have said, well, it's actually about police brutality.
jordan holmes
See, this is why I'm going to go the opposite direction.
dan friesen
You think that means he's even more in?
jordan holmes
Exactly.
Because he thinks this is a news show.
dan friesen
I don't think so.
jordan holmes
I think he does.
unidentified
I don't think so.
jordan holmes
I think that's what all of those people think, like David Knight.
I think he thinks this is a news show.
Alex Jones is the only one.
Who gets that it's a fucking entertainment program.
They don't understand that.
He's the least, and listen to his fucking voice.
dan friesen
Well, I mean, think about how seldom people stick around, too.
Like, of all the people who, like, they're not around.
Like, in terms of Ashley Beckford, she's gone.
jordan holmes
Never meet your hero, Stan.
dan friesen
Jakari Jackson's gone.
The only people who stuck around are Rob Dew, David Knight, Owen Schroer hasn't even been there that long.
He's hired him because he had a bunch of YouTube videos where he would bully liberals.
jordan holmes
Maybe Alex is the real problem here.
Maybe his hiring practices just aren't great.
dan friesen
I don't think that this is very attractive to a lot of people, this sort of gig, whether it's news or not.
But be that as it may, let's get to the bulk of what we're going to be talking about today.
We're going to be taking a look at Friday.
The Friday the 13th of October episode.
unidentified
Because...
dan friesen
Let me say this.
There's a lot of people who have a lot of different favorite Alexes.
Like, what's your favorite Alex?
What's your favorite version of Alex?
Like, what mood that he gets into is your favorite?
jordan holmes
Um, I think...
Probably the least innocuous of all, which is the fake, angry, while selling things, Alex?
dan friesen
Okay, so the very obvious screaming, but also, hey, buy this wrench.
jordan holmes
Exactly, yeah.
dan friesen
The new InfoWars wrench.
jordan holmes
Look, that is the least harmful, because at least most of his products can't actually do anything unless you use them beyond all reasons.
dan friesen
Unless you take them every day.
jordan holmes
Yeah, exactly.
dan friesen
Getting a lot of drunk Alex from the chat room.
jordan holmes
Well, four ways to learn Alex's, of course.
Of course, a favorite of everyone's.
dan friesen
Getting a dead Alex from friend Brian.
jordan holmes
You got it, buddy.
I'm right there with you.
dan friesen
I beg to differ.
I like Alex when it's, like, there is a version of Alex that is kind of rare, that is Alex surprises himself on air, and then something happens that, like, he punches himself.
Right into another punch that comes from another direction, and then he is lost without a map on air, and has to fill time, and he is, like, dazed.
And that always leads to esoteric Alex.
jordan holmes
That might be, you're right, whenever he just randomly starts getting existential, for no reason.
dan friesen
The valley is the stars.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly.
Now, you're right.
You got the right Alex, baby.
dan friesen
Riddle Teller Alex is my favorite Alex.
And on Friday the 13th, October 13th, Alex gets stupid esoteric.
But there's a narrative to why it happens that I think is a really interesting path.
And in this first clip...
jordan holmes
So you're going to take us on a journey here.
unidentified
Yes.
dan friesen
Because at the beginning of the episode, he's not super introspective or super...
He's not that weird.
He's just sort of like...
unidentified
Meh.
jordan holmes
Let's just be an ex.
dan friesen
But then he accidentally talks about Weinstein.
jordan holmes
Ooh, no!
dan friesen
And he accidentally brings this up.
alex jones
We are back live.
So, I've been on a lot of TV shows and been in some movies.
Reality television, you name it.
Discovery Channel, History Channel, True TV.
You name it.
And I've been on the late-night comedy shows years ago.
dan friesen
No, you haven't.
alex jones
Some of the late-night comedy shows.
dan friesen
I can't imagine that.
jordan holmes
Carson Daly?
alex jones
Because back then I was criticizing Bush a lot, and Hollywood was so one-dimensional, they thought, oh, that must mean you're a liberal.
Until they find out your real political views.
It's just crazy.
unidentified
easier.
laughter Ha ha ha!
alex jones
And then still they like you because you're criticizing Bush.
They don't get, you don't like Bush, and you don't like the Democrats either.
They just, it's so one-dimensional.
But that was 20 years ago, 15 years ago, 10 years ago.
I mean, I've barely gone out there in the last six, seven years.
dan friesen
So he's 24 at this point, because he's 44 now.
If he's saying 20 years ago, he's 24. It's a very different Alex at that point.
So now keep that in mind.
And I want to also say, whatever he ends up saying, I don't think anyone's ready to hear.
But at the same time, I'm not judging him.
I'm going to enter the end of this clip with a lot of empathy in my heart and...
unidentified
Ever.
alex jones
I wanted to be on Joe Rogan's podcast, and I was in and out day and a half.
Love Northern California, love central areas, love the coast, but just Los Angeles is...
If Satan lives on the planet, that's where he lives.
It's just an emptiness, a hellishness, the energy.
And so people say, oh, you're so brave to talk about going into meetings with Hollywood producers, people that all want to put your film out or make a film with you.
These are big, big names.
Not as big as Weinstein, because he's just ubiquitous, that name.
Grossing-wise, as big.
You know, the lawyers for some of the top people.
The people that actually run it.
The owners of the companies.
Not the little actors and people running around under the mafia.
All totally scared.
And then Hollywood checks out everything that's up and coming.
It sees popularity before other people see it.
It's real talent.
So they basically steal ideas.
And so they will have a lot of meetings with me.
And, you know, pat on the butt, okay, I played football.
But no.
Grab you by the genitals.
And I never took it as if it was done in a homosexual way.
It was done as domination.
And I'd be like, whoa, whoa, what the hell's going on?
Just like you heard Weinstein, oh baby, I'm sorry, oh, come on, oh, hey, hey, come on, whoa, whoa.
And then later, completely scared of you.
If you just said, you know, knock you upside the head.
I mean, I would be in these meetings with these guys and not grovel and just say what I wanted, and they would be completely scared of me by the end of the meeting.
unidentified
So...
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
He goes on a bit about this.
jordan holmes
He jumps back into bravado, but I think he just revealed that he's been sexually assaulted.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
And he gets exactly what that is.
It's not sexual, it's domination.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
And where I'm sitting, I have nothing but empathy for Alex in that situation.
That is not something that I would ever come down on him for, but I do not think he meant to bring this out on the air, necessarily.
I definitely don't think that.
I don't think he realizes how big that sort of thing is.
Like, how, you know, that's...
That's a massive thing to bring out into the public, Alex.
You've joined Terry Crews in the, you know, hey, it happens to us guys as well kind of thing.
jordan holmes
That blindsided me.
dan friesen
Quite a bit.
But the other thing is, he can't handle the fact that I think that there's a little bit of vulnerability that comes out in that moment.
jordan holmes
Of course, that's why he has to...
dan friesen
And so he gets to machismo.
jordan holmes
By the end of it, they were afraid of me.
But that really did...
That was honest.
And he was telling the truth.
dan friesen
And he talks about it a whole bunch more.
jordan holmes
That's scary.
dan friesen
I didn't leave in anymore because it's not like he gets into more details.
He just sort of reiterates stuff.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
But he ended up having a little bit of a...
He gets in a weird mood and he goes to a special report.
So he throws it to a special report from Mark Dice.
unidentified
That makes it so much more...
jordan holmes
I don't know.
Okay.
dan friesen
We're getting to why I played that song before the show.
jordan holmes
Okay.
This is bananas.
unidentified
Because that suggests that he knows.
jordan holmes
That suggests that he knows exactly what sexual assault really is and what it's really about.
dan friesen
Yes.
jordan holmes
And he still...
Or I guess he has to divorce that part of himself.
He's tried to kill that part of himself so much that he's gone so far the opposite direction where he condones that behavior from so many other people.
And in fact, encourages it.
Exactly.
dan friesen
And that's why I don't feel bad about us covering this and I still hate him.
But at the same time, this isn't why I hate him.
And I'm not going to judge him for being the recipient of being groped.
Absolutely not.
So he goes to a special report to fill some time, and it's from Mark Dice.
And I've not left the entire thing in, but here is Mark Dice.
With a very iffy take on the Weinstein situation.
unidentified
Oh boy.
mark dice
As more women continue to come forward with stories of harassment and other abuse at the hands of Harvey Weinstein, this still is just the tip of the iceberg of what goes on behind the scenes in Hollywood.
An even darker secret that's just beginning to be uncovered is the fact that gay Hollywood executives also harass and also sexually assault male actors as well.
As difficult as it is for women to come forward after they've been sexually harassed or assaulted by high-level Hollywood producers, imagine how much more difficult it must be for men who face homosexual harassment.
dan friesen
So, that is an issue, certainly.
And it's fair to discuss it.
It's certainly something, but it's not great to be like, it's so much harder for men.
It's not great.
It is in line with Infowars' sort of brand, certainly, but...
jordan holmes
No, I...
I mean...
There's so...
There's so much in those very few sentences.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
Like, there's an entire culture.
There's human history in those three sentences right there.
dan friesen
There's the homophobia that you and your ilk sort of reinforce.
jordan holmes
Absolutely.
Then, of course, there is that fear of, or not just that, but the gender roles that you're reinforcing in that you think that the worst possible thing that could happen is a man being sexually assaulted.
Because how much worse is it that the man who is supposed to be dominant is being dominated?
dan friesen
And how much does that play?
It doesn't play into Alex's worldview.
jordan holmes
Of course.
dan friesen
It kind of has to.
jordan holmes
I mean, it does get back to that idea of, like, abusers have been abused.
unidentified
Generally, yes.
jordan holmes
And they become abusers because of that abuse.
And, you know, there's no, like, short psychological through line to any of this.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
But you can certainly see a certain amount of, like, oh, Alex was dominated and he never wants to feel like that again.
And so he does that to everybody that he can.
dan friesen
And he sees victimizers everywhere.
jordan holmes
Absolutely.
dan friesen
He sees the UN as someone who wants to kill all of us.
jordan holmes
Who's trying to take him down.
Everybody is trying to take him down.
dan friesen
I don't think that this is necessary.
jordan holmes
I'm not saying that is...
But when you start to see that abusers have been abused through line, hit through so many different areas, and then you see a guy like Mark Dice Clay...
Who is fucking...
dan friesen
The worst.
jordan holmes
The worst.
Like, that...
Like, he has no idea what he's talking about.
dan friesen
No, he's just trying to get clicks.
jordan holmes
Yeah, he has no clue what it is he's accidentally revealing about himself, Infowars, and everybody that they're talking about.
dan friesen
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
Like, because even worse is the tacit admission that this is a horrifying thing that can happen to you, while at the same time minimizing it happening to women, maximizing it happening to men, But you're still discussing that this is the thing.
dan friesen
Right, right, right, right.
jordan holmes
This is the thing.
dan friesen
I think we all agree.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
I think we all agree.
jordan holmes
Fucking insane!
dan friesen
It's nuts.
And part of this is, like, you know, I don't think it's productive for us not to treat Alex Jones like a human.
You know, like, I don't think that's necessarily, like, I don't think...
I don't think to look at someone that you, even someone you hate and think is a huge problem in the world, to look at them outside of the context of, like, things happen, you live your life, you maybe are in pain a lot.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
That doesn't take away from our desire to take him down.
jordan holmes
I mean, you read enough true crime serial killer books and you see very similar...
Types of stories emerge over and over and over again.
Like, there's this book called The Road Out of Hell, where it's like, this was a true monster.
This was a psychopath who had murdered so many people, who had committed all of these horrible acts.
But if you go back to before he had done all that stuff and you look at his childhood, there's no way that you can't feel some empathy for that child.
Sure.
unidentified
Well, at the same time, thinking that that.
jordan holmes
Right.
murdered in the street.
Right.
unidentified
You know?
dan friesen
This has been a very weird chunk of the show, and now let's skip out of it.
unidentified
Super weird.
jordan holmes
Yes, please.
dan friesen
But that is what keeps...
jordan holmes
I don't think our takes are really what anybody needs to hear on this right now, right?
dan friesen
No, certainly not.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
But it is what sets off Alex into the strangest mood possible on this Friday the 13th episode.
Yeah.
unidentified
He spins into talking about...
dan friesen
Trump and how he knows about how Trump dates in this next clip, which is just trying to kill time.
alex jones
But you look at Trump, he's delivered.
And I happen to know women that when he's been in between marriages have dated Trump.
And I happen to know the whole backstory, folks, not just from Roger Stone and people, but from a lot of other folks.
And a lot of it's actually been even in the New York Times back before he was such a political figure.
jordan holmes
That he was a rapist?
alex jones
He courts women and takes them out many times.
jordan holmes
Commits sexual assault.
alex jones
He just won't jump in bed with anybody, and he's a clean freak.
That's what no one knows, that Trump is a clean freak when it comes to relationships and everything, and he is a one-woman man when he's with that woman.
Gifts, money, everything, super nice to him, until the minute they're not, and then he's gone.
That's Donald Trump.
And he's in that bus and the guy's talking to him about women.
He goes, yeah, it's incredible when you're a TV star.
Now the women just throw themselves at you.
dan friesen
Here's the section where he misinterprets the Billy Bush tape.
But it gets to something weird.
alex jones
And he's like an old schooler.
He's like, yeah, you can just grab them however you want.
Well, yeah, a woman's climbing up on you.
You know, the sign is they jump on you.
And then it's a mammal mating ritual in primates, but especially in Homo sapien, that you then caress their buttocks, their hips, up the stomach to the chest.
Kissing, this is a mating ritual.
You know, certain types of birds hop certain ways, do certain dances, and whippoorwills have their songs, and creatures mate.
Different whale species have their stuff.
It's not bad.
So when a woman jumps on you...
Or you're Elvis Presley and they're throwing their panties at you.
What do you think that means?
It means we want to mate with you.
unidentified
That's not bad, that's wholesome, that's good.
alex jones
Is it a little uncouth for him to have locker room talk?
Yeah, 12 years ago.
But you know, most men are hypocrites if you haven't been in a locker room or lifting weights or something.
And made comments about your girlfriend or your wife.
And not bad ones.
I mean, I made a comment about my wife.
She's not street legal.
And by that, it's like a 10,000 horsepower car.
You're not supposed to put that on the street.
Sean, if you want to race, get on a racetrack.
That's got too much horsepower.
What are you doing with that out here on the street?
Now, that's a compliment to my wife.
dan friesen
Okay.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
If it's the 60s in a boardroom, I suppose.
dan friesen
He's spiraling and talking about, like, should Trump have had locker room talk?
Maybe not.
Maybe it was 12 years ago.
Allow me to have some locker room talk on air.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Let me talk about how my wife has too much horsepower.
jordan holmes
That's gross!
It's ownership.
dan friesen
A little.
jordan holmes
That's what both of them are doing.
dan friesen
Yeah, a little.
jordan holmes
His entire story about Trump is like, give you gifts and all this stuff, and then the moment you push back, he's gone.
Right.
My wife isn't street legal like a car you own.
dan friesen
There's something to that.
jordan holmes
It's ownership.
Now, I don't disagree with him when he says that most men are hypocrites.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
I agree with that.
I don't agree with anything else after that point, but the moment he said most men are hypocrites, I'm like, you...
Are correct in one regard, sir.
dan friesen
I will take his word that his wife is not street legal.
jordan holmes
I don't want to know any further information.
dan friesen
I can't confirm nor deny.
jordan holmes
Troubling if true.
dan friesen
So that is just sort of like a little interstitial thing we had here.
We had this weird revelation about meeting with executives at the top.
And then here, I think, that was the punch that Alex gave himself that knocked him in this direction.
And here is the punch that I think comes to him from the other direction.
He wasn't expecting.
Trump had a press conference on Friday.
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
And I think Alex thought it was going to talk tough about North Korea.
jordan holmes
Not how that went down.
dan friesen
Alex has been building that up as sort of like, this is the necessary thing.
Now Ron Paul thinks I'm a neocon because I support Trump, but this is important.
And he starts just saying all these things about how evil Iran is.
And Alex has this moment.
alex jones
Boy, this sounds like the build-up to war.
I don't like this.
I don't like what Iran does either, but I tell you, this is serious.
This is live.
We can pause it, come back in a minute, and get to the rest of it for you.
We've got some guests coming up today as well.
jordan holmes
We need to be able to control the narrative of how this is going to go.
Can't react to this in real time.
dan friesen
We've got to go to break.
jordan holmes
Yeah, we can't do this.
He's saying some stuff that I don't agree with, and I need to edit this so I can agree with it.
dan friesen
Because it definitely sounded like he was making a justification for attacking Iran.
jordan holmes
Absolutely.
dan friesen
And so Alex is like, oh shit.
I think what he has in that moment that you hear, this sounds like the build-up to war, when he goes to break, I'm guessing he sat there and was like...
Am I the propagandist for a neocon?
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Is that what's going on?
He wants to attack Iran, clearly.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
What is going on?
jordan holmes
Because he's lying about the Iran deal.
unidentified
They've done nothing but follow the rules.
dan friesen
Right, according to all the investigators who have gone in.
And so Alex realizes that he has only a couple options on the table.
And that is...
jordan holmes
Pretend it didn't happen.
dan friesen
Whatever he does, he's got to kill another hour and a half of the show.
jordan holmes
He definitely can't go into this with open eyes.
dan friesen
He can't have Owen Troyer fill in because we see what he does.
jordan holmes
Owen Troyer would give it up and just be like...
Trump is definitely lying about the Iran agreement.
Clearly, they have been following the rules.
dan friesen
But optics dictate that.
jordan holmes
Trump is lying in order to manipulate the story.
Oh, no.
dan friesen
No!
jordan holmes
Are we the bad guys?
dan friesen
In this clip, we get to where Alex is trying to get any kind of a toehold.
And it's not really working out.
It starts with him sort of making peace with war.
jordan holmes
That's not great.
dan friesen
That's a compromising of a lot of the things he stands for.
jordan holmes
That's not what I wanted to hear.
dan friesen
And then it goes...
This is seven minutes long.
You can tell me whenever you want me to pause it.
alex jones
Oh, boy.
And listen, if folks want big wars and people like Iran want one, I'm not afraid of it.
I'm not looking for it, but I'm not really worried about it.
It's a miracle we've been here this long.
unidentified
What?
jordan holmes
Long pause.
dan friesen
There's a lot of long pauses.
alex jones
I just look at...
I know what Trump's doing.
Where we've been maneuvered by the whole Hollywood globalist elite and the big mega bankers that just want to be Hollywood stars who took control of the global economy and then made themselves Richard and God, basically, but then cut off the economy to make people poor so they could dictate the terms of their surrender.
So they can then cuck Christians and people that are the strength of the nation?
jordan holmes
No, you were doing so good.
alex jones
I mean, this is just a bunch of really degenerate, neurotic, weird stuff.
Where Hollywood and the globalists want to force us into a bathroom with them so they can bathe naked in front of us and then come out and rape us.
And that's basically what it is.
They say, your kids belong to us, you belong to us, behave, follow this societal comportment, or we're going to destroy your life.
jordan holmes
So this is about Iran, right?
alex jones
Because they knew our weakness.
As decent Christian people, we have a moral compass.
We have a conscience.
And so they remove the conscience of being good and hardworking and taking care of your children and not lying.
dan friesen
You lie all the time.
alex jones
And they replaced it.
With you.
Oh, you've got to teach five-year-olds that they might not be a boy or a girl, and you've got to let other third parties come and sexualize them.
That's your new religion.
And that's all they've done.
They've taken all the uptight extremes of Christianity and cults using the Christian faith to control people.
That's what most of these churches and movements are.
And they've just flipped it around, and boy!
Did we get down in the muck with it and follow it and get into all this self-loathing and all this guilt and just buy into it all?
jordan holmes
Okay, you can pause it right there.
dan friesen
Luckily, we have a lot of long pauses in order to...
jordan holmes
Yeah, I'm worried.
I think I agree with 80% of what he's saying right now.
dan friesen
You might.
jordan holmes
And that concerns me.
dan friesen
You might be.
jordan holmes
That's why I wanted you to pause it there, because I need to understand exactly how I'm feeling about this.
dan friesen
Well, it might be because he's speaking so vaguely.
jordan holmes
I know.
dan friesen
You can interpret it as like, oh, I'm into this.
jordan holmes
No, but I mean, he's at that, like, he's...
He's at a turning point, really.
Like, the way he's talking, there's that moment where you can see him crescendoing up to, like, this could be it, this could be it, and then they teach your kids and you're like, no, damn it!
And then he gets right back up there and he's like, oh, the banks are doing it, no, damn it, the five-year-olds, goddammit!
dan friesen
It's like one step away from Purple Penguin shit.
jordan holmes
So close!
So close to getting over that hump, and then all of a sudden there'd be that sea change and we'd have...
Liberal Alex who would scream about...
That's never happening.
We'd have me, essentially.
dan friesen
That's never going to happen.
Well, maybe you, but Liberal Alex is never going to happen.
jordan holmes
Imagine if I went the opposite direction instead.
dan friesen
Holy shit.
jordan holmes
Man, if he pulled me...
dan friesen
Conservative Jordan.
jordan holmes
If he pulled...
unidentified
Oh, that would be...
dan friesen
Libertarian, anarcho-capitalist Jordan?
jordan holmes
That could happen.
dan friesen
All right.
Let's get back to this clip before you fucking actually...
unidentified
Convince myself.
jordan holmes
Look, it's a miracle I've been a liberal this long.
That's all I'm saying.
alex jones
And then those of us that have consciences become the slaves of people that don't, and they sit there with their little whip, keeping us right in line.
jordan holmes
You're describing you.
alex jones
Well, not me.
I love God because I know God's real, and I've had spiritual experiences, and I know God's plan.
At least I've seen some of it, and it's beautiful, and I want to be part of it.
But I don't find God in these churches.
Spirit finds the devil.
jordan holmes
That's concerning.
alex jones
They told Christ, why are you hanging around with these prostitutes and tax collectors, the most hated people at that time?
And he said, because they don't claim they're good.
They don't claim they've already got it all figured out.
They don't pray up on the hilltop in front of everybody else about how good they are.
And then go around and arrest people and shake people down and have the tax collector do it.
The tax collector actually goes out and does it.
He has to be hated.
jordan holmes
A little muddy.
alex jones
What about the people behind that that tell him to go out and do it?
dan friesen
See, are you getting lost in the details?
unidentified
Yeah, I know!
jordan holmes
You were going somewhere, you were going somewhere, and they're like, now see, the tax collectors back then, they didn't actually go around.
Like, what are you talking about?
Move on!
Move on!
unidentified
I don't think Jesus' argument is, hey, there's worse people.
dan friesen
That's not, like, I don't think...
I don't know, but hold on.
jordan holmes
Pretty sure Jesus wasn't about like the Robert's Rules of Order on that front.
dan friesen
Or just like the what about.
Like Jesus was like, what about this guy?
alex jones
Used to attack the TSA all day long.
So I realized we let Congress do that.
Congress did that.
They shut all that up.
They bring the Islamics in.
They let them attack.
And then they turn around and then, oh, I'm just going to blame the TSA people.
I stopped being a hypocrite.
I grew up.
And look, I mean, I was always somewhat on target for 20-something years on air.
jordan holmes
Wait, you say you're on target all the time!
alex jones
You really have cop-outs in the world.
Like, I let Congress do that.
You let Congress do that.
I'm not going to sit there at some schlub working at the TSA who really thinks he's trying to look for terrorists and shows a few perverts and criminals in there as well.
It's a bureaucracy and it's bad and I don't like it and I say get rid of it.
But you know what?
jordan holmes
What?
alex jones
Wait, wait, wait, what?
dan friesen
He's going to say...
jordan holmes
Is he saying get rid of the TSA?
dan friesen
He is, but he's saying that...
jordan holmes
I'm on board with it!
dan friesen
He's saying that after, like, a long rant where it's like, I'm not a hypocrite, I grew up, I don't blame the TSA, but it is a terrible organization, we should get rid of it.
Alright, buddy.
jordan holmes
Thanks, buddy.
dan friesen
Okay.
So here's his other suggestion.
alex jones
To really let people sit there and try to grope my children?
Is the public of this country!
The NFL watching wannabe tough guys that run their mouths all day but wouldn't do anything.
When it came down to the line, they'd turn and they'd run as fast as they could from any type of real challenge.
unidentified
Okay.
alex jones
Here's the difference.
I'm not running.
You know what I'm scared of?
I'm scared of running.
dan friesen
My leg hurts.
alex jones
I'm scared of being a coward.
I think it feels good just going straight up against this thing.
jordan holmes
I've got a weak ankle.
alex jones
And that's why the globalists hate us so much, because they know they can't scare us.
Because I'm already scared of separation from God.
I've already tied into that energy.
I've already dialed into it.
And it's so good that I'm actually ashamed.
jordan holmes
You're right, this is my favorite, Alex.
dan friesen
This rambly, introspective, esoteric Alex?
jordan holmes
I'm so...
Every time he does that, you're like, oh, you know you're bad.
dan friesen
You know you're evil.
You're projecting.
There's that glimmer of soul that's left.
That's why in his list of what morality is, he includes not lying.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
It's fascinating.
It's like every time he says, I'm not saying this to brag, it's like, I'm so good.
And you're like, you're...
You're doing the opposite of both of those things.
dan friesen
Absolutely.
Let's finish this, because he's going to take this all the way to a break.
Okay.
He's going coast to coast.
jordan holmes
You could say we're going for a touchdown.
Yeah.
alex jones
Because I should worry about myself and my family.
It's not some wanton thing or some negligent thing where I threw the fear aside.
dan friesen
Also, I just want to be clear.
You're not ready for...
jordan holmes
I'm not ready for this.
dan friesen
You're not ready for the going to break music that kicks in?
Because it could not be worse, Matt.
jordan holmes
I was going to say, if he goes into a sales pitch from here, that's a pivot for the ages, my friend.
dan friesen
He doesn't, but the going to break music...
unidentified
We're so good, and I love God, and it's about protecting my family, and I use...
jordan holmes
Filters for that.
Air filters.
I use beautiful air filters that Jesus would have wanted you to use.
dan friesen
I have great B12.
alex jones
But still, there's shadows and echoes of that.
But I'm all in.
Everything.
My family, my name, my treasure, my blood.
I'm ready.
It's all in.
Let me tell you, making that decision at a spiritual level is like coming out of Egypt.
It's like coming out of Babylon.
The minute you decide to be all in, Is the minute you start living.
jordan holmes
That's why Chris Moneymaker won.
alex jones
And then you start knowing that this is all just a test.
You don't want to commit suicide.
You don't want to die.
unidentified
But you're not afraid anymore.
You want to commit suicide.
dan friesen
Or at least...
jordan holmes
Boy, he wants to kill himself.
dan friesen
He at least has had some dark moments before Trump, maybe.
jordan holmes
Oh, yeah.
dan friesen
Maybe he felt like so stagnant in his...
Maybe that's what drove him to Trump after all.
Maybe he was being lied to, but he also was like...
jordan holmes
Just like a depression.
dan friesen
Maybe he's our Bullworth.
Maybe Trump never was Bullworth.
Maybe Alex was Bullworth.
Oh boy.
Anyway.
jordan holmes
What a tangled web we weave.
Will Shakespeare.
alex jones
You realize God's holding your hand.
So you want to stay here for your family.
dan friesen
Wait for this fucking music to kick in.
unidentified
And stay here to take on the enemy.
alex jones
But you want to be with God.
unidentified
Do ya?
alex jones
The only thing that matters in this universe is that when you get buried six feet under, you're with God.
unidentified
Is it?
alex jones
Because God is all about free will.
jordan holmes
No.
alex jones
God isn't going to be there if you don't want him to be.
unidentified
And that, my friends, is what separates us, is that choice.
alex jones
People that are so insecure, that are so weak, that they would, out of fear, give in to this spirit, believing it would deal with them easier if they rolled over to him.
Rolling over only presents your belly to the wolf.
jordan holmes
The Matrix!
alex jones
The Matrix music!
jordan holmes
Holy fucking shit!
alex jones
Even if he's successful, he's going to choke on my foot.
dan friesen
I have to pull it back.
Oh my god, Jock Jams!
jordan holmes
Jock Jams from the 90s shows up.
dan friesen
I have to pull it back a tiny bit because what he says here at the end is also like...
The way he goes up to break, you would expect him to throw it to some sort of an ad, or at least a sad support the show.
jordan holmes
The Chemical Brothers, however, is not what I was expecting.
dan friesen
Block Rock and Pete!
jordan holmes
I was not expecting the Chemical Brothers.
dan friesen
Listen to this really sad throw to break.
jordan holmes
Okay.
alex jones
Out of fear, give in to this spirit, believing it would deal with them easier if they rolled over to him.
Rolling over only presents your belly to the wolf.
If the wolf's gonna come, even if he's successful defeating me, he's gonna choke on my flesh.
May the wolf choke on my flesh.
We'll be right back on the other side.
I'll finish up with Trump.
Get into the big news I haven't hit yet.
Infowars.com.
jordan holmes
That's fucking Norse.
That's not God.
That's fucking the Eddas.
Like, what are you talking about?
unidentified
When the wolf comes for me, may he choke on my flesh.
jordan holmes
When Ragnarok arrives.
dan friesen
That's weird.
jordan holmes
Now I...
Okay.
Chat room, get on this.
I want all of Alex Jones' introspective speeches to be set to different Chemical Brothers songs from now on.
dan friesen
Come on.
jordan holmes
Oh, man.
dan friesen
But at the same time, you gotta get off air, man.
You're in no...
You're in no shape to be on air.
jordan holmes
Oh, my God.
I haven't listened to the Chemical Brothers in forever.
dan friesen
So he goes to break.
And then he comes back from break.
And as we know, we have uncovered that Alex Jones stole the Hillary for Prison t-shirt from a bumper sticker.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
And it turns out he stole another one of his catchphrases, and he admits to it as he comes back from this break.
unidentified
Which album from the Chemical Brothers should he be playing right now?
dan friesen
I'm not sure.
I don't think it's Chemical Brothers.
It's a little more mellow.
jordan holmes
Is he going to have one of the Michel Gondry directed music videos behind him?
That would be an amazing show.
dan friesen
It's the Mortal Kombat film.
alex jones
I was up in Canada, covering Bilderberg.
unidentified
It's a good, bad, ugly.
dan friesen
It is a movie.
alex jones
A distinguished gentleman with a British accent walked over and he said, I'm a mathematician, Mr. Jones, and have you ever thought of the equation, politically but also mathematically, that the answer to 1984 is 1776?
And I said, no, but I'm going to go say that, and I bullhorned it.
jordan holmes
Wait, wait, wait.
So he stole that?
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
He's saying that he stole that from a fake British dude.
dan friesen
He said that a British guy came up to him and said that, and he's like, have you ever thought about that?
He's like, I haven't, but now I'm going to go bullhorn it.
jordan holmes
The answer to 1984 is 1776.
And Alex wasn't like...
Where the fuck are you from?
dan friesen
Yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
What accent is that?
dan friesen
Strange.
jordan holmes
Is that like a weird bastardized French accent?
What's going on here, man?
dan friesen
Very strange.
jordan holmes
Figure it out.
Figure out where you're from.
dan friesen
He's like, I love your style.
I'm going to go bullhorn it.
I bullhorned it, and now it's my catchphrase.
jordan holmes
I love your style, so I'm going to steal it.
dan friesen
So I'm going to scream it at Piers Morgan.
unidentified
Yeah.
alex jones
He died like a year later.
And then when I looked the guy up, he was like the former top economist.
In the British government for multiple prime ministers.
And like later he's with me and Tucker at dinner and we're like drinking beer and he's a bigger drunk than I was.
The point was is that it's just...
unidentified
There's no need to put that in there!
dan friesen
No.
jordan holmes
There's no need for that!
dan friesen
So eulogizing him.
jordan holmes
He has to do it!
dan friesen
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
So he's a bigger drunk than him and...
alex jones
He's a bigger drunk than I was.
The point was is that it's just these cool people, man.
And they're just gone like that.
dan friesen
Whoa.
alex jones
But that's not just an animal.
That's not just a machine.
That's a spirit.
That's a person.
And everything these people that don't have spirit do is try to steal ours.
jordan holmes
So by stealing what he said...
Do you not then prove that you are one of those people without a spirit?
dan friesen
So he had that long ramble where he got like, you don't want to kill yourself.
God's holding your hand.
When the wolf comes, may he choke on my flesh.
I thought he got his shit together during the commercial because he comes back and he's like...
You know, hey, I was hanging out with this British guy.
He was a drunk.
What a good guy.
But then he gets into the, no one's ever dead.
Like, oh no, you're still in there.
jordan holmes
Well, I mean, he might as well have been like, what is dead may never die.
Oh, oh boy.
When the wolf Fenrir comes to eat you.
Oh, Jesus.
Alex, I don't think you know what it is you believe.
dan friesen
He's still in that mode coming out of the commercial.
I was like, oh no, oh no, Alex.
jordan holmes
Not even the Chemical Brothers could free him.
dan friesen
No.
alex jones
Because people want what they don't have.
And that's all you need to know about Hollywood and all these people.
If you want to know why they fear InfoWars.
dan friesen
They don't.
alex jones
Because knowing that, I'll play this clip from yesterday here in a moment, and finish up with President Trump.
If you want to know why, let's look at what we're doing.
If you want to know how to defeat them, what is it?
Just being genuine.
Being real.
jordan holmes
That's why InfoWars is the only thing InfoWars fears.
alex jones
And not being affected.
By what other people think about you.
Because you have an inner compass.
It's transcendent.
dan friesen
So, real quick, hold on to those thoughts.
jordan holmes
About genuine?
dan friesen
The being genuine and then having an inner compass.
Those sorts of things.
Keep those well in your mind because they're going to come back in a second.
alex jones
So, when I see Google and Facebook and Twitter, Really curtailing us, really blocking us, really putting the screws to everything.
I knew that was coming a long time ago.
It's why we built NewsWars.com and PrisonPlanet.com and Infowars.com.
It's why we watched radio syndication and TV syndication and why we've tried all the things we've done and had some success because of you spreading the word.
I mean, you are the oxygen in the room, listeners.
And I know you know that, but don't think it's like Alex Jones is up here.
Alex Jones is right here.
We're in the room together.
No.
dan friesen
You're at your mansion.
unidentified
Yeah.
alex jones
I'm with you right now.
You're with me.
jordan holmes
We're in multiple boats.
alex jones
We don't like pedophiles.
We don't like devil worshippers.
We don't like folks trip, you know, handicapped kids when they're walking down the hall.
dan friesen
I don't like people that trip handicapped kids.
unidentified
Eh.
alex jones
Oh, we like to hurt bad people.
Let's just be honest about that.
And that's something we've got to control so we don't become them.
jordan holmes
Okay.
alex jones
Does that come around the other way?
But, you know, I just say that because I know your heart.
I know who you are.
And you've already got so much strength that you don't need to go out and dominate to prove you've got it.
jordan holmes
You're smart.
Here's the problem.
alex jones
The globalists know you have that strength.
And they don't like it.
Even if you don't have the office.
Even if you aren't in the power structure.
jordan holmes
Alex, you're talking to yourself.
alex jones
They know you have the birthright.
jordan holmes
You're talking to yourself!
alex jones
No matter what color your skin is, if your heart's pointed towards God, you have the birthright.
The enemy knows it.
The enemy ever feels it.
The enemy's fallen and the enemy says, if I could just have control, if I could just bring them down, then I would be the most high.
unidentified
Oh boy.
alex jones
When if you had discernment, wicked ones, you'd know you are not the most high.
You're built to be a receiver.
And then a sub-creator in God's system.
You're a spark from God's mind.
You are not God.
You are the space-time continuum fount.
The product of the progeneration.
And in that you are timeless and complete and great and with God.
But the attempt to claim that that which comes out...
Of the mouth of the river is the river is a lie.
You're like a tree that grew by the side of the river, grew old and fell over into the river.
But you are not the river.
jordan holmes
Sure.
I agree.
alex jones
And those that choose to be cut off from God achieve oblivion.
jordan holmes
I don't know what that has to do with the river.
dan friesen
I just kept in the last ten seconds of silence.
jordan holmes
That is such...
God, so that's our biggest number one for why none of those fuckfaces could ever cover for Alex.
Because that is pure evangelical pastor right there.
dan friesen
Oh, yeah.
jordan holmes
That has all of that cadence, that rhythm, to the point where if you're not paying attention...
It sounds really comforting.
dan friesen
And if you're not paying enough attention, it sounds like you missed something.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
And you didn't.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it sounds like, man, he's really saying this in such a way that you're like, I guess he knows what he's talking about.
dan friesen
It's a parable.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
It's not.
jordan holmes
You know, he's just making up words.
dan friesen
You're a tree that fell in a river and you thought there were the river.
unidentified
But you are not the river.
dan friesen
Like, oh boy.
jordan holmes
Oh, okay.
But also, oblivion?
dan friesen
If you don't go with God, you're in oblivion.
jordan holmes
I've been to so many churches that have that guy, and it's so much fun until you actually listen, and then you're like, oh no, this is all dumb, isn't it?
dan friesen
Oh, you're crazy.
jordan holmes
Oh no!
Oh, I was having some...
You guys sang the songs, you did the thing, and then that guy's nuts.
dan friesen
And then he jumps into a clip from the day before his show about...
jordan holmes
When he was happier?
dan friesen
Well, it was Project Veritas came to town.
jordan holmes
Oh, great.
dan friesen
Yeah, and they proved that Google is trying to destroy...
Destroy Info Wars.
jordan holmes
Oh, well that makes sense.
dan friesen
They did a great job of not proving that.
But that's how he kicks out of this downward esoteric spiral.
jordan holmes
By playing somebody else.
dan friesen
Yeah.
And then the rest of the show is whatever it is.
Someone takes over the fourth hour.
But Jesus.
jordan holmes
Man, I wanted him to really go on with that.
dan friesen
No, he needed to get off the air.
jordan holmes
He probably had a conversation.
dan friesen
If I were Buckley, when he says, let the wolf die choking on my flesh.
jordan holmes
I'm not going to lie to you.
I'm a big fan of that.
I'm a big fan of that saying.
I like it.
dan friesen
If I were Buckley, I would have a button.
I'd hit the button and someone would tackle him.
Someone would just come in out of nowhere and spear him off air.
Alex, we talked about this.
jordan holmes
You can't do this.
Do you think Buckley has the balls to come up to Alex and be like, hey, Alex.
Maybe not so much with the wolf thing.
dan friesen
I think Alex knows where his Buckley is buttered.
Or his bread is Buckley.
unidentified
I gotcha.
jordan holmes
You got it.
Whichever way you want to do it.
dan friesen
I like that journey through Alex Jones' mind.
Wherein he makes an accidental confession of something that we all should feel sympathetic about.
And then learns that the guy he's been stumping for is probably more militaristic than he's been pretending.
jordan holmes
Or is an insane psychopath who doesn't believe anything.
And Alex Jones, despite the fact...
Yeah.
Out-psychopathed him.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
And that is not something that he can handle.
dan friesen
Well, and the fact that, like, if we think about it, like, Steve Pachenik has just fallen out of grace.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
He also lost Robert David Steele as a source for something within the last couple months.
He's losing a lot of these dudes.
jordan holmes
And the British guy who said 1776 is the answer to 84. Oh, he died right after that.
That's not important.
He's...
Finally coming to grips with the loss now.
dan friesen
Right, right.
It could be.
jordan holmes
In the context of all the other things.
dan friesen
Tragedy plus time equals that.
jordan holmes
I think it's pretty funny.
dan friesen
I do too.
These black rocking beats.
I just think that there's probably a bit of Alex...
I mean, it's never going to get more than this, I don't think.
But he's struggling.
In this episode, at least.
On Friday the 13th, I don't know, maybe it's a full moon.
He's struggling super hard with the disillusion of...
And then he gets into that mode.
It's probably cathartic for him to just ramble and say nonsense on air.
At the same time, you wonder why you could never really be on television, Alex?
That.
You wonder why people used...
jordan holmes
Well, the moment he did get there, if he was on television, someone would stop him.
unidentified
Right.
jordan holmes
And that would be unacceptable.
dan friesen
No, because that would turn into a fight.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
dan friesen
So anyway.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's why Buckley can't have that button.
Because then InfoWars would just be Alex Jones fighting whoever Buckley sends at him.
dan friesen
I'm not against it.
jordan holmes
Which would be a fantastic show.
dan friesen
I'm for it.
jordan holmes
That would be the Chris Gethard show, but for a weird libertarian right-wing asshole.
dan friesen
I'm into it.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I know, right?
I would watch that.
Oh my god, we should have a button!
And Alex Jones just has to fight somebody.
Alex, hire us to fix your fucking show.
dan friesen
We will whip Owen Schroer into shape and get you a fight button.
jordan holmes
Oh, that would denigrate our...
Nah.
You'd love it.
dan friesen
You'd be lousy with millennials.
jordan holmes
You'd love it, Alex.
We would get you so many viewers.
dan friesen
So I told you to keep track of genuineness and having a moral center.
These ideas that he has about not lying and having, like, this is your center.
I want to play you two clips.
One is from the Sunday, October 8th show.
And here is Alex Jones and Roger Stone having a little conversation about Rex Tillerson.
This is right around the time that Rex Tillerson said that Trump is a fucking moron.
jordan holmes
Because he is.
alex jones
So you're saying from your intel...
dan friesen
Also, Alex is drunk on this Sunday show.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
For sure.
alex jones
I mean, Trump's already said it, calm before the storm, that we are getting ready to hit North Korea.
unidentified
That's my very best intelligence coming out of both my military industrial sources, some of my White House sources.
roger stone
That's why I think the president was brusque in putting down Rex Tillerson in a tweet.
unidentified
Now everybody's talking about the coming Brexit that's coming, because I think he's gone by December.
The president's lost confidence in him.
roger stone
It started with Charlottesville when he wouldn't back up the commander-in-chief.
jordan holmes
It started when he wasn't a white supremacist.
That's exactly what he just said.
dan friesen
This is what Roger Stone wants to pitch, which goes further.
jordan holmes
Even though Rex Tillerson is a white supremacist.
dan friesen
Well, but not enough for Roger Stone.
And again, he is later this day going to meet with Milo.
unidentified
In an effort to kowtow and round-nose the mainstream media.
alex jones
And that's why they're saying now, Because Rex is addled and senile and thinks CNN still has viewers.
But it's just where these old people, not these old folks in general, but old folks that still think mainstream media is king when it's so uncool.
He has really bad mouthed the president.
He's done a lot.
So now they're telling Rex Tillerson to resign.
Shouldn't Trump fire him before that?
unidentified
Well, you know, the problem is that when the president exercises that authority, the mainstream media then uses it to show a lack of stability.
jordan holmes
Okay, so the mainstream media is going to use it to show a lack of stability in a very tumultuous or unstable court.
dan friesen
They will use it as evidence of the thing that it is.
jordan holmes
Alex!
You realize Roger Stone is lying to you, to your face, and just making up words.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
Nothing means what it means with Roger Stone.
dan friesen
Now, that was on the 8th.
Let's flash forward to the 16th.
A little something else about Rex Tillerson.
alex jones
It's time to panic about Trump.
This is in the Wall Street Journal.
This is in the Washington Post.
This is being pushed everywhere, saying he's going to start World War III because of North Korea.
When it was the system of appeasement and of, quote, strategic patience under the Clintons that gave the reactors and the missiles to North Korea.
So now, oh, he's insane because he's listening to his military advisors on the policies there.
Tillerson plays good cop.
Trump plays bad cop.
And again, CNN and others try to deceive the public, acting like there isn't congruent strategy and stratagems going on inside the Trump White House.
The truth is, internationally, we've seen win after win against the EU.
jordan holmes
I find it fascinating that...
dan friesen
What's the point?
jordan holmes
Every profile on Tillerson fascinates me because it's always like, he didn't want the job.
His wife told him to take it.
He doesn't want the job.
But now...
Literally, the only reason that he is still Secretary of State is because he's worried if he's not, Trump will nuke the world.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
That's fascinating to me.
unidentified
I mean, we're all going to die, but that's fucking hilarious.
dan friesen
I imagine there's some truth to that narrative, but at the same time, it's probably not.
jordan holmes
I think it's absolutely true.
dan friesen
There's probably some embellishment.
jordan holmes
I don't think he wants the job.
dan friesen
There's probably some Tillerson trying to save face.
That's good PR for Tillerson.
jordan holmes
No, I think Tillerson is one horrific monster who should be dead.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
I want him dead.
Immediately.
dan friesen
Fine.
jordan holmes
But I do think that he's the Exxon executive who has turned his big fortune into an insanely big fortune.
dan friesen
Fair.
jordan holmes
So he has some sort of cunning to him there.
He has to know that he doesn't need this shit.
unidentified
No.
jordan holmes
He doesn't need this shit.
dan friesen
No, probably not.
jordan holmes
He didn't want the job.
And now...
dan friesen
And he's not getting what he wanted out of it.
jordan holmes
None of what he wanted out of it.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
And he wants to quit, because why would he want to do this?
dan friesen
Because this is a pain.
jordan holmes
It is a constant shit-in-your-mouth situation.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Nothing he does is ever good.
dan friesen
Nope.
jordan holmes
Ever.
unidentified
Nope.
jordan holmes
So the only reason he's there is because he's worried that if he's not...
Trump will murder everyone.
dan friesen
That's all good.
jordan holmes
That's hilarious.
dan friesen
That's all good.
jordan holmes
I mean, it's pathetic and sad and horrifying, but goddammit, that's funny.
dan friesen
What's more important is the difference between those eight days.
The narrative that he's pitching, the first one, is that Tillerson is senile and he's on his way out and Trump should fire him.
And then eight days later, he's like, hey, the mainstream media tries to trick you and act like they're not coordinated.
Tillerson's the good cop, Trump's the bad cop.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right.
There's strategies going on simultaneously.
It's just good work.
dan friesen
All that means is that, hey, Roger smoothed me out.
Roger gave me a talking to.
He updated my programming.
He threatened me about something.
Maybe he said I was getting too esoteric on the air on Friday.
Come back on Monday and do better.
It's just so stupid.
jordan holmes
I don't think that's true.
I don't think Stone cares what...
Alex says.
dan friesen
I don't know.
That's too much speculation.
I do know that it's like something had to have happened to make him completely change his narrative about what's going on with Tillerson.
jordan holmes
I think Alex just has different mood swings.
dan friesen
Probably.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I think that's more likely than Roger gives him a talking to.
dan friesen
When he's drunk, he hates Tillerson.
When he sobers up, he's like, oh, it's all a plan.
jordan holmes
That's far more likely to be.
I doubt Stone gives him a talk.
I think Stone just loves watching chaos happen.
dan friesen
Probably.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
So Stone is loving it whenever he's like, ah, Tellerson's senile.
Stone's just smiling in the back of his head.
Like, look at this monkey I can make dance.
dan friesen
Yeah.
It would probably be an amazingly powerful feeling.
jordan holmes
Oh, God, right?
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Alex, hire us.
I want to feel that way.
dan friesen
Let's make Owen Troyer dance.
jordan holmes
That's Bush League.
dan friesen
That's Pop Warner.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
I want to get up into the big leagues.
dan friesen
That's Pop Warner propaganda.
You've got to go through it in order to get to the...
If you want to make the show, you've got to succeed.
Make a star out of Rob Dude.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Can't do that.
jordan holmes
Make a star out of...
Ooh, man.
dan friesen
Alex, you've been trying for a decade.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that ain't happening.
dan friesen
So, anyway, if you'd, you know...
Go to our website if you want to make a star out of yourself.
jordan holmes
Oh, no!
Dan!
dan friesen
We have a website.
It's called knowledgefight.com.
We're also on Twitter.
jordan holmes
At knowledge underscore fight.
I'm no longer on Twitter.
I'm done.
I'm out.
dan friesen
I'm barely there, except for on our account.
jordan holmes
But knowledge fight is going to go strong.
dan friesen
Yep, knowledge underscore fight.
We're also on Facebook.
jordan holmes
Absolutely.
You can follow us on iTunes.
Look us up in the review section and then be like...
I like you guys.
And write that.
And then give like five stars.
dan friesen
And mention George Soros at any opportunity.
jordan holmes
Eh, why not?
dan friesen
See if buzz marketing gets to him.
jordan holmes
That'd be hilarious.
dan friesen
If you'd like to support the show, we would really, really appreciate it.
You can do that at knowledgefight.com.
There's a button that says support the show.
Like we said earlier, let's not belabor it.
Also, we're on Twitch every Monday through Thursday.
I believe you will not be here tomorrow.
jordan holmes
I will not be here tomorrow or Wednesday.
dan friesen
But you'll be back eventually.
jordan holmes
I will be back on Thursday.
unidentified
Absolutely.
dan friesen
But we will still be here 8 p.m. Central to break down all of this bullshit.
jordan holmes
Absolutely.
dan friesen
It's been fun.
Jordan, good times.
jordan holmes
Love you, Dan.
dan friesen
Love you, too.
But there's one guy I don't love.
jordan holmes
That was a great transition right there.
dan friesen
He's an old guy.
jordan holmes
You worked into the bits so well.
dan friesen
He's an old guy.
jordan holmes
I thought the secret of 2017 was no more bits.
dan friesen
Let me tell you about this guy.
jordan holmes
Okay.
Is there a bit?
dan friesen
This fucking guy.
jordan holmes
This fucking guy.
What guy is it?
dan friesen
You know what?
You know what?
I have one thing I'd like to say about this guy.
I hope that when the wolves come, they choke to death on Joan Rappaport's flesh.
alex jones
Andy in Kansas, you're on the air.
Thanks for holding.
unidentified
Hello, Alex.
I'm a first-time caller.
I'm a huge fan.
I love your work.
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