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Oct. 11, 2017 - Knowledge Fight
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#90: October 10, 2017

Knowledge Fight dissects Alex Jones’ October 10, 2017 episode, where he falsely ties the Las Vegas shooter to ISIS via debunked "codes" and John Wesley Rawls’ fringe theories, then pivots to mocking Harvey Weinstein’s allegations as media distractions while predicting Trump’s fabricated future smear campaigns. Jones claims polls are rigged by 15%—ignoring data showing Trump’s approval plummeting nationwide—and abruptly shifts to unrelated cookie advice. The hosts expose his Saul Alinsky-style manipulation, from vaccine lies to racial violence distortions, like the baseless horse-stabbing Antifa allegation, revealing a pattern of exploiting fear over evidence while promoting InfoWars merchandise. Ultimately, Jones’ episode underscores how conspiracy-driven rhetoric prioritizes spectacle over substance, eroding trust in facts and institutions alike. [Automatically generated summary]

Participants
Main
a
alex jones
infowars 15:21
d
dan friesen
46:04
j
jordan holmes
31:03
Appearances
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jon bowne
infowars 01:49
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larry nichols
00:36
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Speaker Time Text
alex jones
Andy in Kansas, you're on the air.
Thanks for holding.
unidentified
Hello, Alex.
I'm a first-time caller.
I'm a huge fan.
jordan holmes
I love your work.
alex jones
I love you.
dan friesen
Hey, everybody.
Welcome back to Knowledge Fight.
I'm Dan.
jordan holmes
I'm Jordan.
dan friesen
We're a couple dudes.
You like to sit around and drink novelty beverages and talk a little bit about Alex.
jordan holmes
Is there a twist to that?
dan friesen
I didn't say his last name today.
That's the twist.
jordan holmes
Is that what we're doing now?
dan friesen
I guess so.
That's a little bit of a twist.
jordan holmes
Today we're drinking some Revolution Fist City because hopefully I'm going to convince Revolution to sponsor us.
dan friesen
Come on, Revolution.
jordan holmes
Come on, Revolution.
dan friesen
You're a great brewer, and we're on the cusp of a revolution.
jordan holmes
It's Chicago.
dan friesen
And we're trying to cause a revolution against dumbass Republican and libertarian conservative propaganda.
So please join up with us, Revolution Brewery.
jordan holmes
Raise the fists.
dan friesen
This is desperate off of the gate.
jordan holmes
Hey.
I have no rebuttal to that.
dan friesen
Fair enough.
So before we get to today's show, I'd like to give a shout out to one of our donators.
It's not Revolution Brewery.
But I'd like to give a shout-out to our new donor.
What's going on out there, Kieran?
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
dan friesen
I'd like to also say it's possible that his name is Chiron.
I'm not entirely sure.
It's spelled like it could be either.
jordan holmes
Is he scrolling along the bottom of our screen right now?
dan friesen
He's scrolling along the bottom of my heart.
And thank you for the donation.
We really appreciate it.
If you'd like to become a policy wonk, you can do so by going to our website, knowledgefight.com, and clicking the support the show button.
We do appreciate it.
Keeps the lights on, as they say.
All right, Jordan.
jordan holmes
We're off to a great start.
dan friesen
It's nice.
jordan holmes
Thanks, Kieran, by the way.
Thank you very much.
dan friesen
Nice to have you back in studio with me.
I'm excited about it.
alex jones
Oh, thank God.
dan friesen
But today, we're going to get into the episode 10-10.
10 out of 10, October 10th.
We're going to get into it.
have a very interesting exploration for us to do that i don't think you want to do um but i have found a great well Let me just point this out.
jordan holmes
Before we started, Dan was like, could you go get some more beer?
You might need it.
So that might be a bad sign for us.
dan friesen
You're angry, and I know this investigation of an obscure member.
Yes.
So the chat room is going to go crazy and say, call Larry Nichols.
And we should say we called Larry right before the show.
jordan holmes
I called and texted him and left a message.
Hopefully he will call back or at least respond in some way.
dan friesen
We called because we knew if we just called and he didn't answer on the show, that's anticlimactic.
And on top of that.
jordan holmes
It's bad podcasting.
dan friesen
There's an ethical thing where you need to warn him, that sort of stuff.
So if he calls back, he could call back at any point during the show.
jordan holmes
We will cancel the show and immediately talk to you.
dan friesen
My investigation about this obscure member of Team Infowars is gone if Larry Nichols calls back in.
But we'll see.
We'll see.
I hope he calls.
And if not, then we'll try and call him tomorrow.
jordan holmes
And we'll rename the show Knowledge Nichols.
dan friesen
Indeed.
jordan holmes
Order in honor of him.
So we'll get that motherfucking piece of shit.
dan friesen
We're going to get to this episode, but until then, or before then, I'd like to play an out-of-context drop of Alex Jones.
alex jones
Dr. Corsi is somewhat popular on air.
And he does our political stuff in DC a lot.
Done a lot of great stuff in the past.
He has a lot of great connections.
But it's not really sexy, you know?
dan friesen
Yeah, I do know.
jordan holmes
He is somewhat popular.
Way to fucking cuck out your own guy.
Jesus, Alex.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
He's somewhat popular.
dan friesen
And not sexy.
jordan holmes
No, definitely not sexy.
dan friesen
He goes on to immediately start talking about Paul Joseph Watson.
And as the chat room knows, Paul Joseph Watson, sexy.
jordan holmes
But I hope he gets hit by a truck.
dan friesen
A sexy truck, politically.
jordan holmes
No, I don't think I want either of those things to happen.
I think I mean it very literally, and I want it to be a truck that says, go fuck yourself, Paul Joseph Watson on the side.
dan friesen
Crikey or something like that.
Give it some English flair.
Okay.
He's in London.
Jolly old Lori hitting him.
jordan holmes
Hey, all I want him to know is that he's in Barney Rubble.
dan friesen
Oh, I get it.
All right.
So, shall we start the show?
Do you need me to fill you in on what's been going on?
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
Okay, so Alex is spinning his wheels about the Las Vegas narrative.
And because he was kind of getting bored and not being creative, coming up with new elements of it, yesterday.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it's hard to come up with new elements when your narrative is it may have happened.
dan friesen
It's Antifa and ISIS and everyone I don't like.
Yeah.
He switched yesterday onto a narrative he was misleading people about about a measure that passed in LA in California where they made it a misdemeanor instead of a felony to knowingly transmit HIV.
jordan holmes
Yeah, what the fuck was that?
dan friesen
Well, the situation is, I mean, we talked about it on yesterday's show, but the motivation behind it was to destigmatize things because part of the law previously was you had to know you had it for it to be illegal to transmit it, which would discourage people from getting tested.
So that was the thinking behind the law.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
It makes sense.
And all the advocacy groups are behind it.
jordan holmes
Everybody who is came to know I don't know anything about it, so maybe I shouldn't have a fucking take on it yet.
unidentified
Right.
Yeah.
dan friesen
And Alex.
jordan holmes
That's a good idea.
dan friesen
Alex jumped onto it.
jordan holmes
Maybe I could just keep my fucking mouth shut for once.
dan friesen
Alex jumped onto that and explained that it's just a way for them to get HIV blood all over the country and kill millions of people.
jordan holmes
Oh, well, that also makes sense.
dan friesen
Right.
It's very convoluted.
He also is dipping his foot into the sort of defending Harvey Weinstein game, which is contrarian as hell.
I don't know why he's doing that, but there's no defending him.
There's not.
But we'll dip our toe into that a tiny bit on today's show.
Okay.
But that's sort of where we're at.
And now he starts the show off by getting back to the Las Vegas situation.
And let's see where.
jordan holmes
Still, huh?
You know, other stuff is going on, Alex.
dan friesen
Not as important.
Here's where he's at today on October 10th.
alex jones
Why am I opening the broadcast up with this today, nine days after one of the worst terror attacks in our country's history?
It's because they're doing two big things.
They're having Newsweek take the lead on this information while at the same time quietly letting the truth out so that as more comes out, they don't get burned too bad.
jordan holmes
That makes sense.
alex jones
They're running big headline articles in Newsweek and a bunch of other places saying Alex Jones claims there was a second shooter, and here's his proof.
From Monday, where you can hear the gun going off, it looks like a muzzle flash.
But by the end of the day, we found other videos.
It was a strobe light.
And we said, okay, we were speculating there.
We're trying to find out what really happened like everybody else is doing.
dan friesen
That's not what they were doing.
alex jones
That's totally normal.
They ran it today in a bunch of publications like I just said it this week.
dan friesen
He's talking about an article that was in Newsweek.
And if you actually go read the article, it says, on Monday, Alex said this.
jordan holmes
Yeah, but they're talking about it like he did say it this week.
dan friesen
No, they specifically say when he said it.
jordan holmes
I know they said when he said it.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
But they're saying it like they're not saying when he said it.
dan friesen
He gets tone from writing like nobody else.
jordan holmes
That's a good point.
unidentified
Yeah.
alex jones
When I said it last week, this is just amazing how deceptive these people are.
No wonder it's hard for folks to figure out what's going on because I can't even keep track of their lives anymore.
dan friesen
You're not paying attention.
alex jones
Here's the big takeaway.
They now come out and completely contradict their official story and basically admit, okay, ISIS may be involved.
Newsweek has an article now looking at it, and maybe they are.
Remember, we said that day one from our sources.
dan friesen
Didn't say maybe.
jordan holmes
Maybe it was the IRA as well.
dan friesen
He didn't say maybe from his sources on day one, and also that.
alex jones
But even bigger, Newsweek, L.A. Times, usual suspects, Las Vegas gunman shot security guard a full six minutes before opening fire on concert goers, police reveal, what have we been telling you?
What have witnesses said?
dan friesen
Those are not specific things that Alex has ever said, and the shooting of the security guard was in the narrative from the beginning, like in the news.
I read about that the day of, yeah, but what have?
jordan holmes
What has he been telling you?
dan friesen
Uh, he has been telling me subtly that he doesn't read anything.
jordan holmes
I like it.
I like that.
He does still have that phrase.
He phrases that as a question.
He still has the upward inflection at the end of it.
So you could take it as like, wait, what have we been telling you?
I don't even remember.
dan friesen
I am lost.
jordan holmes
I have said a lot of shit.
dan friesen
I am lost in my own spider web.
jordan holmes
Maybe I got it right.
I think that's what Alex is really thinking.
He's like, maybe I did, I don't know guys, new theory, I don't exist great, so he's Jim Carrey.
dan friesen
Now it could be.
Yeah, could be.
He's a liar liar, I'll tell you that much, almost a spit take.
So I checked.
unidentified
I wish I could fire you after that.
dan friesen
I checked out that story in Newsweek and the title of the story if Alex is just reading headlines is, If ISIS is behind Las Vegas shooting, there could be a potentially terrifying reason that they refuse to prove it.
jordan holmes
If I did it.
dan friesen
Exactly.
jordan holmes
Here's how I would have done it.
Well, in that case, if ISIS had done it.
dan friesen
Well, that's a bad analogy because he did it.
jordan holmes
That's true.
dan friesen
This article in Newsweek.
I don't know about LJ could have been anybody.
In this article, they very specifically say that every law enforcement source, everybody says that there is no discernible connection between ISIS or any other terrorist group and Paddock, the shooter in Las Vegas.
jordan holmes
I haven't seen ISIS hire a lot of white dudes, a lot of old Arizonan white dudes.
unidentified
No, they're Nevadan white dudes.
dan friesen
Yeah, they make abundantly clear that that's not the point of the article, but they dive into the possibility since they keep taking responsibility for it.
What could their motivation possibly be?
And the article is about the desire to get good gun control, of course.
Well, of course.
No, it's the desire to create distrust with the media and distrust with authority figures, right?
So the I, the idea is, if they did it guys, you are way behind.
jordan holmes
Right, that ship sailed, my friend the, the.
dan friesen
The premise of the article is, if they did it, they would have some proof that it was, they were involved right, they would wait for the media to say that uh, you know, there was no involvement.
And then they'd be like, ha ha, your media lies to you.
Look at this right, when the media isn't saying that there isn't like he wasn't in Isis or anything like that.
It's just there is no evidence that he is no one, is.
jordan holmes
He wasn't in Isis.
dan friesen
I'm pretty comfortable with that even.
jordan holmes
Look, I don't even need any evidence.
If ISis showed up any, they were like here, here's how you know he was part of ISIS.
He left the jack of hearts behind.
I'd still be like he wasn't fucking part of ISIS, right?
He was an old white dude from Nevada who, Who fucking shot a bunch of people because he was a fucking lunatic.
dan friesen
Right.
Alex has a slightly scarier version about what's going on, and we'll get to that here in a little bit.
jordan holmes
Slightly scarier?
dan friesen
Slightly, yes.
jordan holmes
I don't know.
To me, that's even scarier, right?
It's like an embolism because it can happen at any time, anywhere, to anyone.
dan friesen
What does that mean?
Oh, the idea that he's not involved with ISIS?
jordan holmes
He's just a random-ass fucking dude.
And that's why gun control is so important is because this is just a random dude who got a shit ton of guns and could actually murder 58 people, 59 people, and injure hundreds more.
And nobody really knows why other than he's insane and he can get guns.
Like, that's terrifying.
That's legitimately terrifying.
I prefer it if it was an organized military organization because then at least we could, you know, war games it.
You know, we could be like, here's where they might strike next.
Here's where this could happen.
And instead, it's just, hey, someday you might be walking out of a concert and then you're dead.
Bummer.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Thanks, America.
You know?
dan friesen
Yeah.
And look, like, I want to double down on this point really quick.
That, like, if it does come out that he is involved with ISIS, I'll be like, that's a humdinger.
But if he's not, then I'll continue to be like, there's no proof.
So that's the position I'm taking.
And I think that's what most of the world is taking.
alex jones
Yeah.
dan friesen
We'll believe that once there is proof of it.
And Alex does not have proof.
jordan holmes
Because to believe otherwise is dumb.
Right.
dan friesen
It's to believe rogue fantasy sources.
But hey, these sources, they're real.
alex jones
We have real sources.
Now, could the sources be lying to us?
Absolutely.
But they've been good sources so far.
These are real sources.
unidentified
They are real.
alex jones
The media is like, Jones claims he has ballistics experts, too, but doesn't name them.
Oh, like Craig Sawyer that led major teams in SEAL Team 6 and is a top ballistics expert with national TV shows.
dan friesen
Just real quick, every time that Sawman, Craig Sawman Sawyer is on, he's like, you cannot say what SEAL team I'm a part of.
And every time he's not there, Alex is like, guys, it's SEAL Team of 6.
He doesn't want me to say it.
What the fuck is wrong with you?
jordan holmes
He's the dude who murdered Bin Laden.
unidentified
I don't know.
dan friesen
And at the same time, he's like, all our sources are real, which he says like 20 times on this episode.
unidentified
Well, all of his music.
dan friesen
Just to reinforce they're fucking real.
jordan holmes
If you have to say it, you know it's true.
dan friesen
But then he outs Sawman as one of his sources.
And if Sawman is really just the source of the stuff that he says on air, that's one thing.
But Alex is kind of implying that he's telling him other things behind the scenes.
unidentified
Of course.
dan friesen
And that is a problem for everyone.
jordan holmes
As if SEAL Team 6 members are the ones with all the intelligence?
dan friesen
I prefer SEAL Team 3.
unidentified
Oh, yeah?
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Why is that?
dan friesen
I'm a snob.
jordan holmes
I prefer Avengers 2, but that's fine.
dan friesen
All right, fine.
jordan holmes
Age of Ultron.
dan friesen
So you might be questioning at this point if Alex has real sources.
jordan holmes
I was not questioning that.
dan friesen
And he knows.
jordan holmes
I know for a fact he does not.
dan friesen
Well, but let's pretend he does.
unidentified
Okay.
dan friesen
And so you pretend he does, and he knows that ISIS is involved in this Las Vegas shooting.
You might wonder, why is Donald Trump not saying that?
jordan holmes
That's a really good question.
dan friesen
Why is he resistant to say that it's ISIS?
Alex has an answer.
alex jones
So 10, 11 days ago, on October 1st, we told you.
jordan holmes
Can you play more evil music?
alex jones
Sources revealed to us that there were major ISIS connections to the Las Vegas shooter.
Now, by Monday, it became clear from our White House sources that the national security apparatus has asked the president not to release this information because ISIS was planning this attack with codes built into it to trigger massive sleeper cell attacks across the United States that we'd even been predicting would coincide with the Antifa uprisings that are now beginning.
dan friesen
They're not beginning.
And also.
jordan holmes
No, haven't you seen them?
dan friesen
That seems complicated.
jordan holmes
I don't understand.
It's a very straightforward plan.
dan friesen
There are codes built in.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
What are the codes?
unidentified
6244 SEAL Team 6.
So why?
dan friesen
Trump wouldn't have to say those numbers.
So if Trump says it was ISIS publicly, that launches the ISIS attack?
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
That's what's going on?
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Okay.
Well, we could just say that about everything.
Well, you could just say that about everything.
unidentified
Well, yeah.
jordan holmes
That's because it's always true.
dan friesen
Trump has been threatened not to resign.
As we said.
I resign, then ISIS, that's the launch code.
jordan holmes
As we all know, Trump is very careful with what he says because what if it was a code?
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
Well, I mean, at this fucking point, Trump might actually just say, like, hey, guys, that's what the launch codes to the nukes are.
They told me.
I don't fucking know.
unidentified
Wow.
dan friesen
Isn't it crazy?
jordan holmes
Yeah, look at what the shit they gave me here.
This is fucking nuts.
dan friesen
The code is Humdinger.
Is it Hamdinger that's the code on Mystery Science Theater?
Who cares?
jordan holmes
I don't know.
dan friesen
The box where Joel finds the escape pod marked Humdingers.
Hamdinger?
Who cares?
Anyway, I think that Alex's narrative here is stupid.
And I will leave it there so we can move along.
jordan holmes
All right.
dan friesen
In this next clip, Alex talks about how the Las Vegas attack is a cover-up.
There is a cover-up going on.
And then he.
jordan holmes
Wait, they're covering up the attack or the attack itself is a cover-up.
dan friesen
They're covering up the details of the attack that Alex has been trying to get his InfoWarriors to know.
unidentified
Okay.
dan friesen
And then at the end, he lets slip where he gets a lot of his information.
unidentified
Okay.
alex jones
But the truth is, they're trying to cover this up.
And the sheriff has come out and done as much as he can saying clearly there's no way this guy acted alone.
He said that last Thursday.
dan friesen
He said it's on.
He didn't say that he didn't act alone.
He's like, it's unimaginable that he acted alone, inasmuch as saying it's crazy to think he acted alone.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Which isn't saying that they have evidence that he didn't, but be that as it may.
alex jones
And they've said we're looking at radicalization.
But we can't talk about the evidence yet.
But looks like some people may have helped him.
dan friesen
He did say that they were considering radicalization in response to a question from someone who was in the audience, one of the press people at that press conference.
Right.
But he didn't say that it looks like some people helped him.
alex jones
That's from what they found in the room.
Okay.
dan friesen
It's not from what they found in the room.
jordan holmes
So found a lot of points.
alex jones
He could have been a Patsy.
Because the media acts like I'm changing stories.
We don't know exactly what happened.
We know so much.
We know the official stories collapse.
We know so far it's collapsed.
unidentified
Oh, absolutely.
dan friesen
Let's take a second to enjoy that he just said, we don't know.
We don't know anything.
We don't know what happened.
We know so much.
jordan holmes
We know that their stories collapsed because we know so much about the very little that we do know.
dan friesen
Yeah.
alex jones
Highlights everywhere we were right.
But then, yeah, he could have been a gun runner.
Oh, we told you he went to the Middle East first.
We told you the girlfriend went there first to live in.
We told you that there were hotel receipts first.
dan friesen
These are all in.
jordan holmes
There were hotel receipts?
dan friesen
He got room service.
jordan holmes
He got room service.
Ah, that's fucking ISIS all the way.
dan friesen
These are all so inconsequential.
It was like a receipt for room service for two days before.
That doesn't mean anything.
You could have had someone over.
Like, I made this point, I think, on an episode I did alone.
It could have been a prostitute for all anybody knows.
jordan holmes
It should have been a prostitute.
If you're going to go crazy and murder everybody, you might as well fuck first.
dan friesen
You got to get one molast nut off, as we always say.
jordan holmes
Do we always say that?
dan friesen
I do.
So all of this stuff is like Alex is like, I reported all these things, but they don't amount to anything.
It's like saying, like, oh, hey, I told you, I told you that there would be an empty bag of chips laying next to the dead body at a murder.
It's like, yes.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
That just happened to be there.
That was trash.
jordan holmes
But here's what is stealth-brilliant about this, even though he's doing it in a stupid way.
Hey, what are we talking about?
We're talking about all of his dumb narratives.
We are not talking about the fact that one dude can get a billion guns, take them into a fucking hotel, and just start sniping people.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
And no one can stop him, and no one cares before he does it.
And no one knows what's going on.
He didn't get stopped from getting all of these guns.
Explain to me why anybody needs 15 guns.
If you want your argument to be like self-defense or protecting the home, you're not fucking protecting it from a cadre of invaders unless you think it is ISIS.
dan friesen
Or Home Alone.
jordan holmes
It could be Home Alone.
dan friesen
It could be a Home Alone situation.
Home Alone 2, Boston, New York.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right.
dan friesen
Which features are Trump there.
Oh my God, it's there.
jordan holmes
We figured it out.
We figured it out.
And Trump is in ISIS.
Done.
dan friesen
Okay.
jordan holmes
Done.
dan friesen
And CNN and Alex Jones.
There we go.
So the thing is, I don't know, I can't answer that question, but I will say that these aren't Alex Jones' narratives.
alex jones
And 4chan found them, but we published some checked them linked to it.
That was very good.
We told you there was a woman in there days before.
We told you that she was there earlier and that he was there three days earlier.
All of that's been confirmed.
dan friesen
Who cares?
Okay.
All of it's a hill of nothing, and you got it from fucking 4chan.
You know what else is on 4chan?
A lot of illegal pornography.
jordan holmes
I don't understand.
dan friesen
A lot of people bullying folks into trying to kill themselves.
jordan holmes
Oh, and Nazis, of course.
dan friesen
Sure, a lot of Nazis.
jordan holmes
And Nazis.
Yeah.
dan friesen
Especially on the poll board that is where he's pulling all his information.
jordan holmes
Yeah, of course.
dan friesen
He makes it clear on this episode that he gets a lot of his information from 4chan and Reddit/slash the Donald.
So it's like, okay, you don't have sources.
jordan holmes
Isn't it bananas how important 4chan is now?
Like we had, like, 4chan turned into anonymous, and we're all at a certain point kind of behind anonymous for a while.
And then Anonymous went batshit.
And then 4chan was like, hey, what if we were Nazis?
And then they were like, okay, cool.
And now they're Nazis.
What if we just stopped jerking off to Hentai and started oppressing other peoples?
dan friesen
I think some of Anonymous is still okay, right?
I think there's still.
jordan holmes
Oh, yeah, but they're just not doing as much anymore.
dan friesen
Yeah.
unidentified
So in this next clip, what they should be doing is murdering Harvey Wenstein.
dan friesen
But anyway, in this next clip, Alex turns on a friend.
It's grim.
alex jones
Now, I've seen certain characters out there floating the idea that nobody got shot.
jordan holmes
I've watched Steve Pacheney.
alex jones
45 minutes or more of different cell phone and rescuer footage and EMT footage.
It's real.
It's real.
There's plenty of splattered heads and splattered legs.
And people are saying, well, some of them aren't splattered.
I've shot wild hogs, deer, elk, nonk, you name it, with high-powered rifles in the head many times, and it just goes in and a little bitty hole comes out.
Sometimes it blows the whole side of the head off.
So these arguments that all these people aren't completely splattered is pure malarkey.
I shot one of those giant African antelopes.
I forget the names of them.
jordan holmes
I don't want to hear this story.
alex jones
In the head, and it just went in and went out, and the thing kept going.
And then my son was with me and pulled the trigger and hit it through one eye and out the other.
No eyes.
And it kept going.
That's how tough they are.
And there was like no holes when we went over there.
I don't mean to get into graphic hunting stuff.
The whole point is that anybody that shot big pieces of meat knows that ballistics do different things.
dan friesen
I think he's a little off track there.
But be that as it may, the most important thing is Alex has gone hunting.
And he's just completely.
I mean, that started about Steve Pieczenik.
jordan holmes
Might as well have ended with him being so like, so how about you get a gold star and you go tell your mom, huh?
dan friesen
Right, right.
jordan holmes
How about that, sources?
How about that?
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Jesus.
dan friesen
It's crazy.
I mean, he's not wrestling at all with the fact that, like, if this is a lie he told, or he's trying to tell on my show, what other lies has he told on my show?
I wish he would.
I wish he'd take that step, but he can't.
jordan holmes
I would also like to know what else his son has killed.
Oh, that doesn't make me feel good at all.
dan friesen
Nonk Jr.
jordan holmes
So, so my son saw a bullet explode through a fucking head.
I'm sure he's fine.
dan friesen
And then he went in for another shot.
jordan holmes
Yeah, exactly.
dan friesen
Shot it in the eyes.
jordan holmes
And he was like, there are no holes.
So it's like, how am I going to teach him to fuck too?
dan friesen
Right.
That's fair.
jordan holmes
God.
dan friesen
So, Alex, in this next clip, he finds a way to make the aftermath of the Las Vegas shooting kind of about himself, which we know that's his specialty.
Right.
alex jones
They don't even know what to do in MSM.
And so their hope is to say nobody died.
So the media can then pick up on that and then get the families to come out and get really upset on television.
That's the plan.
And I'm not going along with it.
So that's the way it is.
I will not watch the footage again.
unidentified
Good.
alex jones
I will not show it.
If you want to go find it online, it's there.
dan friesen
That's a classy move, Alex.
But a couple days ago, you did just show on your show for over a minute a picture of the shooter allegedly who'd been shot in the head.
A very graphic picture.
So you're not really taking the high ground there.
The other thing is, the only person in the world who's saying that it was fake is Steve Pieczenik.
jordan holmes
So far, he's the only one that I've seen.
dan friesen
And so the idea that someone's trying to set him up, it's Steve Pieczenik who's trying to set you up, not the media.
Do you think it's possible?
jordan holmes
Noted Psych Warfare, Steve Pieczenik.
dan friesen
Do you think it's possible that Steve Pieczenik this entire time has been trying to fuck with you?
jordan holmes
That would be fun.
But even more if he just was like, I'm bored.
I'm an old man.
Alex Jones is dumb.
Let's see how far I can take this.
dan friesen
It's for glory.
Yeah.
It's just to see if you can.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
I mean, I'm just doing this to see if we can take him.
jordan holmes
Why do you want to go to the moon?
Because it's there, Dan.
Right.
dan friesen
It's not like you actually want to do anything on it.
jordan holmes
Nah.
dan friesen
Fuck that.
jordan holmes
I mean, I want to fuck on the moon once before I die.
dan friesen
Oh, that lack of gravity.
jordan holmes
Oh, come on.
Think of the positions.
dan friesen
Oh, man.
jordan holmes
You could go up.
You could go down.
Those are the two I know.
dan friesen
I just got a great idea.
unidentified
What's that?
dan friesen
If we get a hold of... The wheelbarrow?
If we get a hold of Larry, we got to ask him for Pieczenik's number.
unidentified
Ooh.
dan friesen
I don't know if they know each other.
jordan holmes
I don't think we can turn this into a phone tree thing.
I don't think InfoWars is like, well, if you're sick, you have to call this guy.
And then the guy calls that guy.
dan friesen
I feel like there's an outside chance.
We're like, hey, Larry, just let us talk to Steve.
We'll stop calling you.
We'll leave you alone.
Just give us Pachenek's number.
jordan holmes
All right.
dan friesen
So in this next clip, it becomes clear that Alex does not know what direction is up in terms of the Las Vegas shooting.
His narrative is all over the place.
He has no control of what's going on.
He's just spiraling to the point where later he has a guy named John Wesley Rawls on who has a blog called survivalblog.com.
jordan holmes
I bet he's a hero.
dan friesen
And they can't get him on Skype because he lives in the woods.
jordan holmes
Yeah, well, who taught him how to hide his guns?
unidentified
That's what I want to know.
Did he buy that book?
dan friesen
Yeah, he might have written it.
But his whole thing when he's on it is like.
jordan holmes
He just lives in the woods.
dan friesen
He's like, this shooting is suspicious to me because the guy is a pilot.
He should have just flown into the crowd.
Like, okay, great.
jordan holmes
I mean, that is.
unidentified
Good point.
jordan holmes
Let me explain a few bumps in the road along that way.
Generally, you have to file a flight plan.
dan friesen
And if you deviate from it.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Especially post-9-11.
People are watching.
Especially when you're in crowded urban centers.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Also, it's very suspicious.
jordan holmes
He probably wouldn't have hurt as many people.
dan friesen
It's possible.
I don't know.
unidentified
I mean, it depends on the plane.
jordan holmes
That's how shitty the world we live in is.
dan friesen
I don't know, man, because there were those gas tanks apparently nearby.
If you were flown into those or something like that.
I don't know.
But the point is.
jordan holmes
Are you giving advice to terrorists now, Dan?
Is that what you're doing?
dan friesen
No, but.
jordan holmes
Listen, let me just say.
dan friesen
So, John Wesley Rawls is.
jordan holmes
You did a great job.
Not as efficient as it could have been.
dan friesen
But that's literally what this dude's doing.
This survivalist dude.
That's what he's doing.
jordan holmes
But he lives in the woods.
Of course he is.
dan friesen
Yeah, who cares?
No one's going to fly into his house.
jordan holmes
Yeah, we're talking to the Unibomber.
dan friesen
Who cares?
I think a phone tree is breaking out in the chat room.
Everyone's calling Larry.
jordan holmes
Oh, shit.
No!
Guys, come on.
Keep doing it.
But seriously, publicly, you shouldn't be.
unidentified
Keep going.
dan friesen
All right.
So here's the Alex spiraling out of control with the narrative.
alex jones
They've been told to lie, and now they're saying, okay, it looks like it may be ISIS in Newsweek, and that's because they know they're not going to be able to cover it up because law enforcement isn't going along with it.
And when it comes out, it's one of my main criticisms of Trump now.
That and saying he's against WikiLeaks, and WikiLeaks probably got him elected more than anybody.
More than InfoWars from our audience, really.
He's 50-50, but no drudge.
It's all in there.
A constellation that brought Trump the win of the populist resistance.
But I get you don't want them that they tell you, Mr. President, there's a code.
dan friesen
So before we get into this part, I just don't like the idea that he's saying that there's a worldwide populist uprising that they're a part of.
Because that.
jordan holmes
Well, yeah, there's a group of just people across the globe who are trying to influence things in the United States.
dan friesen
Just cool guys.
jordan holmes
They just, all of these people are just connected.
They all have their own secret agendas and lives that they are trying to live.
dan friesen
It's a nationalist populist uprising.
jordan holmes
Oh, that's right.
It's not globalism.
dan friesen
No, like an international nationalist populist uprising.
jordan holmes
That makes perfect sense.
dan friesen
Totally.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Ugh.
alex jones
You don't want them that they tell you, Mr. President, there's a code and they're going to launch ISIS attacks everywhere you air this.
I don't buy that.
That's the left and the globalists inside the FBI.
dan friesen
He was saying that earlier as if it was what he believed, and now he's saying, I don't believe that.
He has no idea what's going on.
jordan holmes
Why is he still talking about this?
dan friesen
He has no control over his own, like, the way he phrases things.
Because it makes it seem like, like, I'm willing to believe that at the beginning of the show, he didn't mean to say that there is a code, like an ISIS code.
But he presented it as if, like, this is what sources are telling us.
This is what we're putting out as news.
Now he's saying, I don't believe that.
That's the FBI.
That's the globalist FBI.
jordan holmes
Right, right.
dan friesen
It's convoluted.
alex jones
Trying to keep the truth from coming out so they can score political points just like they did for weeks and weeks in Puerto Rico.
Blocking.
jordan holmes
Holy fuck.
alex jones
The aid.
Getting there and the Teamsters sitting on it.
So they can have the biggest disaster possible to blame America.
jordan holmes
No, they blame Trump because it's Trump's fault.
dan friesen
No, but Alex's narrative is completely made up.
The idea that Trump Teamsters went on strike in order to stop getting the goods out.
jordan holmes
That is so unbelievably offensive.
dan friesen
Very much so.
Especially because the interviews that he takes quotes from include the people in the unions, Teamsters, and the local Puerto Rico drivers' union saying we are not going on strike.
So the idea that he is taking these quotes and making this argument means he has to know that he's saying the absolute opposite of the truth.
jordan holmes
I can't.
So many people in Puerto Rico and outside of Puerto Rico are doing everything they fucking can because so many people still don't have water, still don't have power, can't are starving, are starving.
Families are starving.
And people who are there who are all really, really trying to help.
And there's only one small group of people who are fucking tearing this all apart.
And that's Trump and his fucking monsters.
dan friesen
That's it.
jordan holmes
That's the whole thing.
So how I hate, I hate saying how dare you, but how fucking dare you?
dan friesen
Totally.
jordan holmes
You fucking monster.
dan friesen
It's awful.
Let's finish this clip.
alex jones
It's the same crud.
I'm not going along with it.
It's October, ladies and gentlemen.
November 5th, they claim they're launching their communist uprising.
This is the final countdown.
How many days are we out now?
How many days?
How many days?
25 days until they launched.
Bullshit revolution number two.
But this time it's America.
And we're ready.
jordan holmes
Jung in.
We will defeat.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Yeah.
Smash cut to November 5th.
No communist uprising.
jordan holmes
Remember, remember the 7th of November, which is when we've actually planned it.
alex jones
Okay.
jordan holmes
I'm part of it.
I don't deal.
I don't truck with rhymes, my friend.
If I'm going to start an uprising, it's going to be arrhythmic.
dan friesen
Well, Alex believes that everything is based on movies.
And I know that Guy Fox was a real, like, he was a real human and everything like that.
But he thinks that Viva Vendetta is the like is the true story as opposed to the Antifa is just planning through Viva Vendetta.
That came out years ago.
Predictive programming.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
It's them putting the plan out there for 2017.
I don't fucking know.
jordan holmes
That's a strange, that's a strange year to choose.
dan friesen
I will say this: knowing nothing about these supposed Bolsheviks here in America that are planning a revolution, if it's Bolsheviks that I know nothing about versus Alex Jones, I'm going to go ahead and be cool with their revolution.
I'm just going to be fine with it.
I'll just be like, all right, you guys do you.
unidentified
I mean, if they're that what's going on?
dan friesen
Chat room.
Chat room, I need you to be very serious right now.
Are you guys fucking around about Larry asking for a callback?
They are saying that he called them back and said for you to call him back.
But I think they're fucking with us.
I'm not entirely sure.
I'm getting a 100% true message from that.
Which leads me to believe that what actually happened is they called and he said, never call me again.
And now you're calling into a trap.
Again, remember to tell him that you're recording.
unidentified
I will.
jordan holmes
Hi, Larry.
How are you today?
larry nichols
Pretty damn right now.
jordan holmes
I'm sorry, what?
larry nichols
Pretty sick right now.
jordan holmes
I'm sorry to hear that.
Just so you know, we are live streaming on Twitch right now.
I just want to let you know we've got a couple of questions for you if you're willing to answer them.
All righty.
First off, of course, do you actually have information that you are willing to use to take down the GOP?
larry nichols
Yes.
Not yet.
jordan holmes
Not yet.
Would you mind sharing just a little bit with us?
unidentified
No.
larry nichols
No, I can't.
Look, if I did, think of it this way.
If I did, we don't have it to use to force it.
dan friesen
That's called blackmail.
jordan holmes
Okay.
Sorry.
Well, My co-host pointed out that that could be described as blackmail in a court of law.
It could be.
I think you're the one who has the information.
dan friesen
I don't have standing in court.
jordan holmes
So are you actually threatening blackmail to...
larry nichols
No.
He's going to tell the truth about them.
dan friesen
Okay, but you won't tell the truth if they do what you want them to do.
larry nichols
Just said, I'll tell the truth about him, guys.
Listen, I'm kind of feeling sick right now going, I'll do this another time.
I'm sorry.
jordan holmes
No, that's no problem.
If you'd like, would you like to.
larry nichols
I mean, I'll be glad to come home again on him.
I'm just letting out and she's not a good time.
jordan holmes
No, I understand.
Would you like to text me or have me give you a call later?
larry nichols
Give me a call.
Come on.
jordan holmes
Okay.
Sounds like a plan.
dan friesen
Hope you feel better.
jordan holmes
All righty.
Have a good night.
dan friesen
Oh, boy.
So what we can take from that.
jordan holmes
What the fuck was that?
What are we doing with our lives?
dan friesen
What we can take away from that is, first of all, he did give us, he was aware that we were recording.
We're in the clear.
Yeah.
jordan holmes
But I think he just threatened blackmail and then was like, nah, I mean, it's not blackmail.
I'm just saying that I have information that I will use if they don't do what I want them to do.
That's not blackmail.
That's just me saying that I will tell the truth, but I won't tell the truth if they do what I want them to do.
dan friesen
So I think that's more proof that he's threatening to blackmail Congress, although his answer would be, we are not threatening to blackmail Congress.
I would love to take him to court for that, but I'm not Congress.
I don't have standing to take him to court.
jordan holmes
So what we need to do is get you elected.
unidentified
We need to represent Chicago.
dan friesen
We need to call our representatives.
Not about a vote, but about.
And now I feel terrible.
Like, he really, I mean, he's sick.
jordan holmes
I don't care.
He's a fucking monster.
dan friesen
I do.
jordan holmes
I hope he dies tonight.
I mean, I want to get an interview with him tomorrow.
And we should really, we should actually.
So here is the only problem with that.
For some reason, even though I knew we were going to call him tonight, I at no point planned any questions.
dan friesen
Well, that's the big question.
jordan holmes
That's the big question.
But what I should have done is buttered him up with some softballs first, and then maybe he would have been trusting and he would have just jumped in.
dan friesen
No, no, because you knew he was going to get off the phone sooner than later.
unidentified
Oh, of course.
dan friesen
He sounds terrible.
And I don't mean that judgmentally, but it just sounds like shit.
jordan holmes
I mean, even when he's not sick, he sounds terrible.
dan friesen
And it's all, I mean, it's 8:30.
I think he's in Central Time, right?
Arkansas.
I think that's it.
jordan holmes
The phone says Ohio.
dan friesen
Oh, well, even that would be Central Time, probably.
So, I mean, you know, 8:30 for a 70-something-year-old dude is late.
jordan holmes
Especially if you have cancer.
dan friesen
Yeah, if you're sick.
Wow, that's exciting.
I feel real good about that.
We got him basically to admit that he is blackmailing Congress, but not blackmailing.
jordan holmes
I need a post-coil cigarette after that.
dan friesen
Jesus.
Let's get into this next clip, and I'm going to chug this beer along with the.
I'm a little bit late.
I think the chat room already chugged theirs.
But in this next clip, Alex is really convoluted about the Harvey Weinstein situation.
And our position is Harvey Weinstein can go fuck himself.
He's terrible.
Right, right, right.
And Alex's take is really super convoluted and touches on victim blaming in a way that I'm not surprised by, but I'm still uncomfortable with.
alex jones
But as I and Cernovich said here last week, why is all this breaking so big now?
We said our gut is the very media outlets that covered it up, like the New York Times, are now breaking it to minimize it and make it about simply hitting on women and cheating on his wife.
This impediment Central Hollywood.
jordan holmes
We are angry about rape.
alex jones
And the Clintons are still silent.
dan friesen
Not anymore.
alex jones
Who fucking cares?
It's women saying he raped them.
dan friesen
That's pretty clear.
alex jones
That's what it's all about when you make women come in and see you showering and make it all about you.
It's serious pervert behavior.
dan friesen
Sure.
alex jones
It's trying to creep women out and then forcing yourself on them.
It's cucking the women.
dan friesen
Not really.
alex jones
From aggressive overtures to sexual assault, Harry Weinstein's accusers tell their stories.
And here's the deal: whether it's true or not, and I tend to believe it with the Hollywood slime types.
dan friesen
That's good.
alex jones
It's all part of the same slime bucket.
And it's what everybody walled into, so it's a bunch of vampires eating each other.
I mean, there's some truth to, hey, you know what you're getting into when you go to Hollywood.
dan friesen
What?
alex jones
It's like walking down the alley in the worst part of town at midnight and then getting freaked out when you get mugged.
But still, the muggers are more to blame.
They actually carried out the criminal act.
Now, some of the young 16-year-old girls that watch TV all day and that they're going to be movie stars.
Oh, yeah.
Come to California.
You're going to be movie stars.
No, what you're going to be is a crack whore.
When they're done using you up, they're going to put you in a snuff film for European consumption.
dan friesen
Jesus.
alex jones
They're going to torture you to death.
jordan holmes
That's intense.
alex jones
The truth is, the child porn stuff's just mid-level.
The torture porn.
The murder porn.
Well, that's king.
dan friesen
You probably read that on 4chan.
jordan holmes
What the fuck is that?
dan friesen
On Reddit/slash the Donald.
jordan holmes
Also, here's another big reason that I don't care what the Clintons think.
Bill is a rapist.
dan friesen
Hey, if our show were bigger, you'd get $2,500 for saying that.
Alex Jones would pay you.
jordan holmes
Well, do you know what?
This is something that I've really, really thought about after this Harvey Weinstein thing is that everybody's like, oh, why are you talking about how Trump is a racist?
You know, we're only condemning racists whenever, or rapists whenever they're on the wrong side.
And you know what?
There is some truth to that.
Clinton was a fucking, is a fucking rapist.
dan friesen
I think a lot of people have, even on the left, a lot of people are on board with that.
But you're right.
There is more that needs to be addressed.
jordan holmes
And so is Louis C.K. Right.
Like all of these people, like this is, and this is the, this is the thing.
Like, and like now I remember how small a deal, like, relatively speaking, people made of that when Clinton was president.
Sure.
dan friesen
A lot of that information wasn't out.
And a lot of things ended up being thrown out.
jordan holmes
Well, it was out.
dan friesen
Well, some of the stuff ended up not being true.
Stuff that Larry Nichols brought to the forefront.
jordan holmes
That's true.
dan friesen
Lies that Larry Nichols brought up muddied the issue of what Clinton actually did.
He did a lot of terrible things, but by embellishing it, it made a lot of people tune out.
So there is a part that our old friend on the phone, Larry Nichols, is responsible for some of that too.
One of the things that I think is super interesting is on yesterday's show, Mike Cernovich was on, and he was trying to make the point that he's like, oh, this is like, I want to say that it's really cool that there are Democrats who are just like denouncing Harvey Weinstein and sending back money that he donated and donating it and stuff like that.
And he's like, you know, I always expect hypocrisy, and I just want to make a point of saying it's, you know, I expected them to defend him, and it's really cool to see that they're, you know, they denounce, you know, they get really mad about Republicans, but they're getting really mad about this.
And Alex is like, wow.
And he just moves on to another topic.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, of course.
dan friesen
But it's interesting to see like Mike Cernovich try and introduce that talking point into InfoWars and it just be like, there's a super weird thing where he's not, like, he's saying all this stuff that Harvey Weinstein did that was bad, but then he's framing it as, you know, hitting on ladies and cheating on your wife as opposed to the reality of what it is.
jordan holmes
He's a rapist.
dan friesen
Yeah, and he's defending him accidentally or intentionally.
I'm not entirely sure.
jordan holmes
Well, he has to defend rapists because I'm not saying that he's a rapist, but I'm saying if anybody is a rapist that I don't know is a rapist, Alex Jones is a rapist.
dan friesen
I don't know about that.
jordan holmes
I guarantee that.
Look, here's the thing that I've really can't say that.
No, I know.
Here's the thing that I've really thought about a lot with this Harvey Weinstein thing: it is something that because I don't have to personally deal with it, I have absolutely not given enough attention to in my life.
Absolutely.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
And it's mind-boggling to me that I haven't.
Like, for all of my, you know, bullshit liberal progressive righteousness.
But then at the other side, like, all I can do is scream about how this shit is awful.
We know comedians in Chicago who have absolutely committed very similar things.
I don't, I can't, I want to speak out about this, right?
But the people that we've talked to, the victims of this bullshit, have universally said, don't say anything.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
And I don't know what to do about that.
Do we just name these fuckers?
dan friesen
No, no, certainly not on the show.
Certainly not.
I mean, calling Larry Nichols is dicey enough, Territory.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's true.
dan friesen
I don't know.
I don't know what the right answer is.
It's incredibly complicated.
Right.
And I don't know.
No, but it's, but it's something to wrestle with, and it's something to listen to people and try and figure out what the right answer is.
I'm not sure.
jordan holmes
Well, you read all of this shit, and a lot of it comes down to like, hey, this shouldn't just be women who have to speak out about this.
This should be men speaking out about it too.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
And I absolutely want to.
I really do.
But I don't know how to name names without the victim's approval.
Other than to say, other than to say, this guy is a fucking sexual harasser.
He's a serial sexual assaulter.
And I have no proof because nobody wants to come and admit to anything.
I don't know what the fuck to do because I want to do something.
Something needs to be done.
dan friesen
Well, with respecting the wishes of the person in question, you really can't.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
And that's not.
I'm worried on a certain level there is a piece that you're complaining about your position in this when you're a tertiary character.
jordan holmes
No, I also know that.
I don't know what to do, Dan.
dan friesen
I want to be calm down.
unidentified
Okay.
jordan holmes
I'm not good at calming down.
dan friesen
Listen to people and be empathic.
That's the best thing that we can do.
unidentified
Okay.
dan friesen
And listen to this next clip where Alex pretends that the Weinstein situation is really actually about Trump.
alex jones
If you think hitting on women at restaurants or having a different girlfriend every day is what this is all about, think again.
Of course, they're going after him twofold to cover up the really big stuff and to make it about a men's war on women and sell that the West has a rape culture when Islam doesn't and create a bigger war between the sexes before they level their guns on Trump.
dan friesen
So, real quick, before we get into that, here is what he's talking about.
alex jones
They're going to destroy Weinstein, and then they're going to roll women out that say Trump raped them.
And there'll be such a fury and such a fury that this will be the scandal they believe will bring down Trump.
It all crystallized this morning.
I was reading all the news and looking at it.
And watch, it's going to happen.
dan friesen
Alex is a genius.
jordan holmes
It happened.
dan friesen
I believe the counter is like 20 at this point.
People have come out and said they've been assaulted.
jordan holmes
It happened a long time ago.
And the people who cared about it, maybe didn't care about it for the right reasons.
And the people who supposedly care about it now that Weinstein is caught doing it, voted for Trump.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
So it's like that should be.
I mean, the other problem is, what, 85% of our presidents have committed sexual assault in some form or another?
dan friesen
I mean, it's a problem of white.
jordan holmes
Like, America is filled with white, old, rapist, racist presidents.
dan friesen
It's a problem.
It's an intrinsic problem of how our culture has treated male power.
And it is unfortunate.
jordan holmes
It's accepted and it's protected.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Which is fucked up.
dan friesen
Yeah, and that's why it's everywhere.
Yeah.
But let's move along and get to this next clip where Alex Jones talks about how 40% of men need to die today.
jordan holmes
That's just a true fact.
dan friesen
Seems like a reasonable number.
Here is Alex talking about something else that is the ⁇ if you take 100% and you minus that 40%, you get 60.
And that number is relevant to this clip.
Bad transition.
Bad transition.
jordan holmes
Terrible transition.
alex jones
Trump's approval rating isn't just up six points the last two weeks.
They have a 15% manipulation in how they do the polls.
9 to 15, sometimes higher.
And so Trump is 9 to 15 points higher than what they're saying.
Trump's closer to 60% or higher, as I keep explaining to everybody.
dan friesen
Poorly.
alex jones
Just like I said during the campaign.
And it came out indeed.
Google knew.
Facebook knew.
They've got algorithms.
Let me explain something.
dan friesen
So hold on to the let's explain something because it actually goes to a really fucking funny place.
But I'm going to go to the research cam here because I have pulled up Trump's approval ratings currently, an aggregate of all of the polls.
He is currently at a 56.7 disapproval rating and a 37.5 approval rating.
If you were to even add Alex's very generous 15 points to the 37.5, you'd have 52.5, still a bit south of his 60 prediction.
But there's just absolutely no way that works.
He's misinterpreting how statistics work in terms of not understanding how statistics work.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
The idea of poll offsetting and stuff like that.
jordan holmes
But here's the larger issue with those.
dan friesen
There's an even larger issue.
jordan holmes
Well, let me make my point, and then I will shut the fuck up and allow you to move on.
I'm sorry for interrupting you again.
Fair enough.
I don't care about the approval ratings polls because those people would vote for him again.
If we did the election tomorrow, it doesn't matter what his approval ratings are.
They would still vote.
dan friesen
337.5%.
No.
No.
jordan holmes
Every single ⁇ maybe not everyone, but most of those GOP-identified voters would do it over again.
They would.
I don't give a fuck what they think about their shitty president that they elected if they would vote for the GOP again.
Because Trump is not an outlier in the GOP.
Trump is doing everything that the GOP has always wanted to do.
dan friesen
Right, right.
jordan holmes
Everything.
dan friesen
But he's brash.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
dan friesen
Get away with it.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
If Mike Pennsylvania.
dan friesen
He let you get away with it when you're a star.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Turns out.
jordan holmes
Fuck me.
dan friesen
So let's go back to the research camp here.
There's an article in Business Insider that came out this afternoon that tracked the change in Trump's net approval rating.
And if you look at this, it's down in literally every state.
Every state since the election, Trump has gone down at least 11 net points in terms of his approval rating.
That would be the approval minus disapproval.
Right, right, right.
And so like, even Texas, Alex Jones' strong bed of whatever he's at, 14 points down in terms of the net approval ratings.
Illinois, thrilled with this.
Chicago, baby, down 30.6 in terms of net approval.
jordan holmes
It should be fucking higher.
dan friesen
I mean, what's the.
jordan holmes
Should be at 0%.
dan friesen
What's the most conservative state you can think of, like Wyoming?
14.1 points down.
jordan holmes
I think, isn't it like West or North Dakota?
Isn't it North Dakota?
dan friesen
North Dakota down 15.7% or points down.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
So, I don't know.
I mean, it's just the idea that he's up at all in the polls or that there's any good news in terms of that is just he's completely misinterpreting things and lying to his audience.
jordan holmes
But again, I don't.
dan friesen
I don't care that you care.
jordan holmes
No, I know.
I know.
I think maybe the better question, rather than his approval or disapproval ratings, are: would you, knowing what you know now, would you have voted for Hillary?
Because the answer would be no.
dan friesen
Oh, yeah, that would be an interesting thing to try.
jordan holmes
That's a better question because who gives a fuck about his approval, disapproval ratings?
He's the president.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
And until our bullshit, shitty oligarchs have the balls to pressure their bought congressmen to actually do something about it.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
He's going to be the president.
So approve or disapprove, it's too late.
dan friesen
Probably.
So here was the end of that clip again.
unidentified
Go for it.
alex jones
Dude, they've got algorithms.
Let me explain something.
unidentified
So I got it.
jordan holmes
He's going to explain something.
dan friesen
What do you explain?
Thanks for redoing that.
What he explains is that whenever you're trying to buy a trip somewhere, when you're trying to buy a vacation, you got to reset your cookies.
Because if you don't reset your cookies, they're going to charge you a higher price.
jordan holmes
Makes perfect sense.
dan friesen
He's up on that shit.
And so that leads into this.
This is maybe a minute and a half later.
jordan holmes
Weird.
That's good advice.
dan friesen
It's reasonable advice.
This is a minute and a half later.
alex jones
I'll tell my wife if she's shopping on a big shopping cart.
I go, honey, did you back out of your cookies?
Did you delete them?
Did you go in a fresh browser?
She'll go, no, no, no, no, go watch this.
And every time the products are lower prices.
dan friesen
Like magic.
alex jones
And I was just talking about that this morning with some of the crew.
The only reason I bring it up.
It's just it shows you how digitally gamed things are and how people need to be aware of that.
jordan holmes
Which is what we're discovering about Facebook and the market.
alex jones
I know a plug right now since I brought it up.
dan friesen
Drink.
alex jones
When you go to InfoWarStore.com, the price is the price we announce on air.
It's the same price you see on the site.
We don't do stuff like that.
jordan holmes
Wow.
So good.
dan friesen
Smooth.
jordan holmes
So good.
dan friesen
Silky smooth.
jordan holmes
So good.
dan friesen
I would also like to say.
jordan holmes
One, take travel advice from Alex Jones.
Two, do not buy any of Alex Jones' products.
dan friesen
I'd also like to say that that ad goes on six minutes.
alex jones
Jesus.
unidentified
It's so long.
alex jones
Oh, boy.
dan friesen
It's painfully long.
Right.
jordan holmes
Well, he can't keep talking about Las Vegas for that much longer.
dan friesen
No, he's got to talk about air filters and shit.
So he does a six-minute ad, goes to commercial, and then comes back and gets into something else that's stuck in his craw.
alex jones
Escape from the New World Order, and we're doing a pretty good job, folks.
dan friesen
Also, if anybody knows what that music that's playing behind him is, I need to know.
alex jones
The spell they had over us begins to break.
Well, here it is from CNBC.
NFL owners to consider rule change that would require players to stand for the national anthem.
Oh, there's already a rule.
But they want to act like they're doing something.
Total deception in that headline.
But you know what that is?
A big old, fat, juicy white flag.
unidentified
That's code.
dan friesen
I think that's code.
jordan holmes
Isn't that the opposite, though?
dan friesen
It's the NFL giving in to Trump, waving the white flag.
jordan holmes
Oh, okay.
Well, yeah, then it's absolutely right.
unidentified
Okay.
jordan holmes
It's absolutely what they're doing.
dan friesen
I also still think it's a little bit of a little bit of a whistle, a little doggy whistle.
jordan holmes
What, the white flag?
dan friesen
Yeah, because he hits white really hard.
jordan holmes
Did he hit white?
But he didn't hit C.
He didn't hit white.
dan friesen
No, he didn't do the Huai.
jordan holmes
He did white.
He just said white.
He didn't say white.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
I don't know.
It just struck my ears.
And then he's like, they're down.
He says they're down like 50% in viewership, but he says that's 50 juicies.
Gross.
jordan holmes
That's disgusting.
dan friesen
Gross.
jordan holmes
Why is it he can make describing numbers gross?
dan friesen
I don't know.
I don't like them calling anything juicies.
So anyway, we have one more clip, and then I'm going to dive into my investigation.
I hope we have more than those four beers left.
jordan holmes
I was going to say, we're already about an hour in, and you are just now getting to the meat of the episode.
dan friesen
It's not so much the meat, it's a special report.
jordan holmes
Actually, let me rephrase that.
And I have kept you from diving into the meat of the episode for this long.
dan friesen
You started screaming a whole bunch.
jordan holmes
I did.
dan friesen
To be fair, we're making good time.
alex jones
Okay.
unidentified
We're like on a road trip and we're like, all right, we'll get there.
dan friesen
We'll get there.
We're not going to miss the show.
unidentified
All right.
jordan holmes
At a certain point, I'm going to be the one who's screaming at you.
We'll get there when we get there.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Here's the last little clip of Alex just saying weird stuff that I think is coded language.
alex jones
The ghost of the old republic is rising again.
The Renaissance, the electricity of human freedom, burning in the hearts and minds of men and women everywhere.
Here's Bannon.
dan friesen
I would love that to be my intro coming up on stage.
The ghost of the old republic is rising.
The Renaissance.
Here's Dan.
jordan holmes
Here to do it.
Tight 10.
Give it up for Dan Friesen.
dan friesen
Yeah, he introduces Bannon talking about how they're going to primary all these Republicans who don't go along with the Trump agenda and how they're going to take down establishment Republicanism.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
Oh, boy.
All right.
You guys.
You guys fucking, okay, have a war within your ranks.
The only thing that's actually negative about that is what's going to come out of that war, obviously, is like Alex Jones' team's going to win.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
The other people are.
jordan holmes
Well, what they don't realize is that they created the dumb people that are going to destroy them.
Much like how America.
dan friesen
Establishment Republicans.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Much like how America creates its own enemies, so did the GOP.
Imagine that they were capable of controlling this monster, and then it comes back to defeat them.
dan friesen
No, no, no.
But my issue that I'm talking about is the idea that for us, it's a negative that they're going to destroy the GOP establishment because what comes out of it is so much worse.
Like these Alex Jones school of liberty movement people, that's worse.
unidentified
Right, right, right.
dan friesen
Because at least, I mean, look, establishment politicians aren't great, but they're not as close to sovereign citizens.
That's my position.
You want to be as far away from sovereign citizens in general as possible.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I do think that there is a legitimate parallel now between the progressive wing of the left and the loonies on the right.
And there's only one connection that they have, which is that a growing number of people are realizing that the system we have is fucking up and it's killing everybody.
And the Republican lunatics who are trying to destroy the GOP establishment.
dan friesen
They want to kill more.
jordan holmes
They're doing it.
They understand the reality that shit actually has to change and it has to change really fast.
We can't allow it to do this.
So that is something that I do have in common with them in that I do also realize that neoliberalism and neoconservatism, which are essentially the same thing with slightly different cultural values, are both leading to the end of the world.
dan friesen
Agreed.
So fuck you.
Let's move along.
I don't disagree with you.
The only point I was trying to make is that the idea of wrestling against a more robust, bigger liberty movement is a scarier prospect than trying to win against dumbass.
jordan holmes
I think I disagree.
I think I disagree entirely.
dan friesen
Well, there's about a couple million people with 5 million guns that are going to take that up with you.
jordan holmes
Yes, but they are when you reveal how white supremacist the GOP actually is, the people who are theoretically in the center are going to realize, are going to lean back towards, oh, Nazis are bad.
Like, all this is doing, again, is revealing how utterly fucked up and racist the GOP has been always.
It is not a new movement.
This is what people believe.
unidentified
Look, lynchings didn't stop.
jordan holmes
They didn't.
You know, maybe, maybe.
How many cops are murdering black people still?
They just changed form.
It's the same shit.
And 20 years ago, even though we theoretically had a more reasonable GOP, it was still going on.
We just didn't talk about it.
And so now they're just revealing that they're monsters.
dan friesen
I'm not disagreeing with you at all.
I'm just trying to figure out how to pivot into this investigation.
jordan holmes
I like how I like how, I don't know if you've ever listened to anything I've ever said.
You're just always thinking of like, what's the best transition?
dan friesen
Yeah, what's the word I'm going to use?
jordan holmes
I think maybe the only time you've listened to me was after that 40 to 60 transition.
You were like, ooh, I don't have enough time to think of something good.
dan friesen
Speaking of something that's good.
jordan holmes
I love you, Dan.
dan friesen
I love you too.
So today on the October 10th show, we have an appearance from one of the lamest obscure members of the InfoWars team.
Would you like to make a guess of who it is?
jordan holmes
Lamest obscure.
dan friesen
Yes.
jordan holmes
I mean, it's definitely not Rainbow Snatch.
dan friesen
No, Rainbow Snatch.
jordan holmes
Oh, she's a star.
dan friesen
Rainbow Snatch has been taken out to pasture.
She is not around anymore.
jordan holmes
And whatever happened to your girl?
dan friesen
Millie?
jordan holmes
That's not the same person.
No, no, no.
dan friesen
Leanne McAdoo.
jordan holmes
Leanne McAdoo.
dan friesen
Leanne McAdoo would never be described as lame or obscure.
How dare you?
How dare you?
jordan holmes
She's gone into obscurity, though.
I haven't heard from her.
dan friesen
Yeah, she's, I don't know.
She was in Florida for a bit with her grandma.
Like a hurricane hit.
I don't know.
I hope she's all right.
We're getting a guest from the chat room.
Mark Dice Clay, that is incorrect.
Jakari Jackson, that is not correct.
jordan holmes
Oh, Jakari's never coming back.
dan friesen
No, he's not going back.
jordan holmes
Jakari is never coming back.
dan friesen
He's doing much better.
It is John Bown.
jordan holmes
Oh, that's right.
I remember that name.
dan friesen
John Bown makes probably the worst, most poorly thought-out special report that I've ever seen on InfoWars.
And I'm going to critically critically deconstruct it piece by fucking piece until there is no bone, no feet left on these bones.
jordan holmes
Do you want me to put Cthulhu here while you do that, and then I'll just come back whenever you...
dan friesen
No, I could use her feedback.
Okay.
unidentified
Okay.
dan friesen
So here's how the report starts out.
And it has to do with this supposed Bolshevik revolution that's coming up.
jordan holmes
All right.
dan friesen
And Antifa.
jon bowne
Gotcha.
As we face the coming tide of the violence that Antifa, the Democratic Socialists, and other treasonist groups are fomenting, it's important to see their Selenskyite tactics for what they are.
And Saul Alinsky's handbook for the coming uprising of the left titled Rules for Radicals, we can clearly see how Selinsky's rules are being applied.
dan friesen
So, have you got the premise?
The Bolshevik Revolution and these traitors, such as the Democratic Socialists and Antifa, they're going to be making their move in November, as Alex has pitched to everyone.
jordan holmes
The 5th of November.
dan friesen
Yeah, remember.
unidentified
Right.
It was the fifth night of November.
jordan holmes
I bet you remember.
And you get mad at me for derailing things.
unidentified
I derail them more fun.
dan friesen
You scream.
I sing fun songs.
So John Bowen.
jordan holmes
So hold on, real quick.
Is it Saul Alinsky?
dan friesen
Yes.
jordan holmes
And then he shortened it to Selinsky.
dan friesen
Yes.
jordan holmes
I am not a fan of that.
dan friesen
Saul Alinsky is one of these guys who's like George Soros in terms of they're these universal boogeymen of the liberty movement.
And he did write a book called Rules for Radicals.
And this John Bowne fella, he thinks that he's cracked the code about what's going to be happening and the tactics.
jordan holmes
Is it ISIS 6969?
It's not.
dan friesen
He goes through the rules for radicals in Saul Alinsky's book.
And in the report, he provides examples of a bunch of them that the liberals are doing.
And I would like to propose versions that InfoWars is actually doing in a more real way.
So here's the first rule.
jon bowne
Rule number one: power is not what you have, but what the enemy thinks you have.
unidentified
Well, let's be clear that Antifa are not calling on the government to censor anyone.
In fact, that they resist the notion of turning to the government or turning to the police, who we've seen have been infiltrated by white supremacists who have been sympathetic to the court sort of return to law and order notion of fascism.
And so the idea is the real enemies of free speech are fascists.
We've seen that historically.
dan friesen
So that is a guy who's a teacher at Dartmouth.
I can't remember his name, but he goes and gives media appearances about Antifa a lot.
I am not entirely sure how that clip demonstrates power is in perception, basically.
jordan holmes
In fact, I don't believe he's in no point during that clip did he claim to have more power than he did.
dan friesen
No, or present it at all.
Right.
jordan holmes
Which is kind of what Alex does all the time.
dan friesen
Here's a clip from last week.
alex jones
I have gotten this.
And no cameras, police, guys.
No cameras.
This is from a law enforcement source.
And the information is the news is lying.
FBI HRT did the hit on the guy.
jordan holmes
Naturally.
alex jones
And they found anti-fu information in the room and photos of the woman in the Middle East.
So he did not kill himself.
The FBI hostage rescue team killed him because he was firing on them.
So he did not want to be taken alive.
And reportedly he did it.
And it was anti-for-crap everywhere.
And other things I'm not supposed to mention.
dan friesen
Oh, sure.
alex jones
That is directly from the hostage rescue team, by the way, Paul.
And I'm going to delete this information now.
Keep going.
unidentified
Obviously, that's huge.
That's huge if it turns out to be true.
alex jones
Yeah, hey, Paul.
dan friesen
Paul, Paul.
alex jones
This is from High Level CIA.
Right here.
Let's do it directly from.
And this is from the hostage rescue team.
You know, I don't make sources up.
Go ahead.
unidentified
No, all I'm saying is that I'm going on the information I have, and I don't know.
alex jones
No, no.
jordan holmes
Even Paul is like, yes, you do.
dan friesen
Yeah, and like I mentioned when we played that clip last week, Paul basically rolls his eyes.
He gives like a uh kind of look.
So perception is what Alex Jones is playing with.
You don't have that information, Alex.
You just want your enemies to think that you have that information.
So you are using Rule One of Rules for Radicals.
jordan holmes
Like, hey, Larry Nichols, can you really blackmail the GOP?
unidentified
No.
dan friesen
Exactly.
Here's Rule Two.
jon bowne
Number two, never go outside the expertise of your people.
unidentified
What about when an Antifa member stabbed a police horse in the neck with a knife?
Was the horse a racist Trump supporter?
Yes.
So the horse.
I didn't know horses could vote.
You see, the horse is a tool of the police, and the police, under the Drump administration, have been increasingly intolerant.
dan friesen
So I don't understand how that works either, for his example.
jordan holmes
Yeah, also, I don't think that's a very cogent argument from our R. Antifa fella.
dan friesen
So if the idea in Rule 2, I know, they were just, I mean, the guy who's going on Fox is going to be a buffoon.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
That sounds about right.
dan friesen
But the idea of the Rule 2 is stay within your expertise.
I don't understand how that demonstrates staying in Antifa's expertise.
jordan holmes
Well, he doesn't know anything about horses.
Fair.
dan friesen
I would posit that the way that Alex just constantly talks about the globalists and things that no one else really knows is real or belief.
jordan holmes
I'm pretty sure, doesn't he insist that he is more knowledgeable than many experts in their field?
dan friesen
Absolutely.
jordan holmes
How about climate change?
Oh, vaccines.
He knows more about vaccines than people who make vaccines, right?
Who else?
Can't he speak like three languages?
dan friesen
Well, no, but he also, like, he just has his own.
He has his own world that he lives in, and he stays inside that, all of the narratives.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
Whenever there are guests are on who are, like, who don't get along with him, he doesn't drift too far outside of whatever his thing is.
We've seen it when interviews haven't gone well.
He doesn't engage with things that are necessarily outside of it.
So let's go to rule number three.
jon bowne
Number three, whenever possible, go outside the expertise of the enemy.
dan friesen
We have real source.
jordan holmes
So were you about to play a clip wherein he says, we have real sources?
dan friesen
No, that's just that was accidentally the next clip.
But he's like, when possible, go outside enemy expertise.
Here is a clip of him from when he was on Rogan.
alex jones
Hell, in 2005, the Department of Energy program for aerosol testing was $5 million a year.
So under U.S. Code, Title Fitney, Chapter 32, Subsection 1528, Paragraph B. Is that true?
unidentified
You nailed that, right?
alex jones
Yes.
Yes.
unidentified
Wait, from Mars?
alex jones
Under U.S. Code, Title.
jordan holmes
Do you live on that obelisk?
unidentified
That was fucking insane.
alex jones
Let me just check.
dan friesen
So, I mean, Eddie.
jordan holmes
All right, Eddie Bravo.
dan friesen
He knows that people aren't going to know what that is.
And so he throws it out.
He goes outside of other people.
jordan holmes
He goes outside other people's expertise.
dan friesen
He takes them off guard.
Or when he brings up like the Hellfire Club and stuff like that.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's classic what about is right.
dan friesen
If you don't know what he's talking about, you're not going to be able to engage with it.
Most of his globalist narratives are exactly expressing rule number three.
Rule number four.
jon bowne
Number four, make the enemy live up to its own book of rules.
dan friesen
He does that all the time.
Oh, yeah.
Absolutely.
Even when it's not – here's where I ran out of time before the show, and I don't have clips to demonstrate all of these.
jordan holmes
But I think – If you are watching this show, you have seen them all demonstrated.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So here's Rule 5.
jon bowne
Number five, ridicule is man's most potent weapon.
unidentified
As someone who has cops in my family, I'm offended by that because the people I know who are cops, they have kids.
Are they immortal?
So I don't.
dan friesen
That was Kennedy.
jordan holmes
Are they immortal?
dan friesen
Former MTV VJ Kennedy interviewing a guy who's on the left, I guess.
I don't understand exactly.
Like, just him saying, are they immortal?
I mean, like, I don't know if that's ridicule.
jordan holmes
Are they immortal?
dan friesen
that might just be a snippy comment isn't wait is is she the no the guy is the uh the liberal He's the Selinskyite.
Gotcha.
So Alex.
jordan holmes
I really don't want you to indulge in Selinsky either.
dan friesen
Alex ridicules everybody.
He calls people, he called Adam Schiff archetypial cocksucker.
He does voices to be all the time.
He does nothing but ridicule people because he has no argument that he can really stand behind.
Here's Rule 6.
jon bowne
Number six, a good tactic is one your people enjoy.
They'll keep doing it without urging and come back to do more.
unidentified
Dear friends, UFA!
jordan holmes
No trumps!
unidentified
No KKK!
jordan holmes
No fascist USA!
dan friesen
So the example that he uses is people chanting that at Jeff – hearing that Jeff Sessions was before.
jordan holmes
And I would pause – I would like him to be in front of the same truck that Paul Jeffs was.
dan friesen
You got to get him to London.
jordan holmes
We got to get him to London.
Like in the movie Snatch.
dan friesen
I would argue that the tactic of paying your audience to yell Bill Clinton is a rapist on TV, that might be indicative of making your tactics appealing to your audience.
jordan holmes
You'd think he would be better at picking out people who break these rules, seeing as how he has a lot of experience breaking the or doing them.
Yeah, exactly.
dan friesen
He's an Alinsky.
jordan holmes
Yeah, exactly.
dan friesen
Yeah, I mean, he just, you know, he's made his tactics essentially just bullying anybody with progressive leanings.
And that's very appealing to his audience.
What are you doing?
jordan holmes
How does he – does he think – okay, so when he chose those clips, does he – did he not have any better clips?
Like, because, look, I'm sure you could find some.
I could Google some clips of people saying dumb shit like that.
dan friesen
Totally.
jordan holmes
Right?
Like, it wouldn't even be that much research.
dan friesen
There are much better versions of liberals ridiculing people.
jordan holmes
Yeah, exactly.
I mean, fuck, just pick our show.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
Just do anything that I do.
dan friesen
Here's Rule 7.
jon bowne
Number 7, a tactic that drags on too long becomes a drag.
Don't become old news.
dan friesen
In the last week, Alex Jones has been pitching conspiracy theories about the Las Vegas stuff, but when it started to get boring, he switched up into the LA, the HIV thing that we discussed earlier.
He switched over into all sorts of other things.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's definitely a rule that we do not follow.
dan friesen
He constantly moves along.
He just absolutely, like, you know, we talk about this all the fucking time.
jordan holmes
Exactly, we don't follow that rule at all.
dan friesen
Right, but we do follow the next rule, Rule 8.
jon bowne
Number 8, keep the pressure on.
Never let up.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that one's us.
dan friesen
I would also like to suggest that that's him because he's still complaining about Hillary Clinton all the fucking time.
Yeah, that's true.
So he's working with this rule.
So here's Rule 9.
jordan holmes
New part of the drinking game.
jon bowne
Number 9.
jordan holmes
Every time they do one of Saul Olinski's rules, everybody has to drink.
dan friesen
All right, I'm fine with that.
Here's Rule Number 9.
jon bowne
Number 9, the threat is usually more terrifying than the thing itself.
dan friesen
I would argue that Larry Nichols threatening to blackmail Congress is 100% that.
Alex Jones also threatens to reveal all sorts of secret information, all this stuff.
So here is rule number 10.
jon bowne
Number 10, the major premise for tactics is the development of operations that will maintain a constant pressure upon the opposition.
dan friesen
I don't think John Bound knows what that means.
jordan holmes
He does not have a clip for that.
dan friesen
I would not give an example of that one.
He does nothing.
So in the next one, here's Rule 11.
jon bowne
Number 11, if you push a negative hard enough, it will push through and become a positive.
Violence from the other side can win the public to your side because the public sympathizes with the underdog.
dan friesen
I would argue that you would say that it's Antifa getting sympathy, but you could make easily the same argument of your alt-right fascist weirdos.
jordan holmes
Do you mean Nazis?
dan friesen
Yeah, getting sympathy by getting beat up all the time.
Or you presenting it that way.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that BuzzFeed article really put us into that place where it's like, okay, now you're a Nazi until proven otherwise if you're on the alt-right.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
That's end of game.
dan friesen
I was already there.
jordan holmes
Well, obviously, I was already there.
dan friesen
Totally.
But be that as it may, like, the idea that whatever argument he's making, it's a two-way street.
It goes both ways, my friend.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
And you're fucking up with this special report, John Bound.
So here's Rule 12.
jon bowne
Number 12: The price of a successful attack is a constructive alternative.
Never let the enemy score points because you're caught without a solution to the problem.
dan friesen
I would argue that they're not great at that.
jordan holmes
They are the worst at that.
I don't know if they have solutions to literally any of their problems.
dan friesen
No, but they have fake solutions.
jordan holmes
That's true.
dan friesen
The idea that all coal is clean, that sort of stuff.
They have fake versions of it.
Absolutely.
If you got into an argument with him about anything, he would have a solution for it.
It just wouldn't be true.
Right, right, right.
So here's the last rule.
Here's Rule 13.
jon bowne
Number 13: pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it.
unidentified
White people.
White people, not me.
Because you know what?
Out there in this, in the premises of the university, I deal with microaggressions on the dating, as do other people cut it.
dan friesen
I would argue that most of the time Alex Jones is saying that globalists want to kill your family and their pedophiles.
And they want to rape your kids and take them out of your backyard.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
I think that's personalizing it quite a bit.
Could be.
So of these 13 rules, because this is where it goes to commercial.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
Of these 13 rules.
jordan holmes
We're at 12 out of 13.
jon bowne
At least.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Because John Bound didn't understand that one, and I'm not sure I do either.
unidentified
Right, right.
jordan holmes
At a certain point, maybe we should just go through the psychopath test and just be like, oh, that one's Alex.
dan friesen
I think it's all of them.
jordan holmes
Oh, that one's Alex.
Oh, that one's Alex.
dan friesen
But you know what I'm saying?
Like, guys, get it together.
You have millions of dollars.
Make a better special report.
Anyone who's thinking would just see right through that.
jordan holmes
But isn't that one of the rules?
Like, isn't that one of the rules is ridiculing your enemy's strength?
So pulling up that.
dan friesen
Well, it's not ridiculing your enemy's strength.
It's just ridiculing them.
It's a powerful weapon.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right.
But isn't that exactly what that is?
Like, leaning directly into it, because that's the same bullshit that we've been dealing with all along.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
Where Alex is like, whatever it is they say we're doing is what they're doing.
And so, of course, you go right into the shit that you're.
Like, all they really need to do is go through a list of the shit that they do and just claim that the other side is doing it.
dan friesen
Someone asked what they were saying.
jordan holmes
Oh, somebody asked what you were smoking?
dan friesen
The thing I would like to say is that the argument that I intended to weave this is.
unidentified
Yeah, kids should not watch this show.
jordan holmes
Don't glorify smoking.
dan friesen
The argument that I had hoped to sort of transition this to is sort of just ask you the question: what do you think the enemy is that Alex is using these tricks on?
Because I would posit it's his audience.
It's not the globalists.
jordan holmes
Look at the rules.
Well, the globalists don't exist.
dan friesen
Right.
But look at the rules.
Power is not what you have.
It's what you appear to have.
He only appears to have this sort of fake secretive information to his audience who has bought into all this.
Globalists or the people in power don't actually believe Alex Jones has shit.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
They don't believe any of this stuff.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
No one cares.
unidentified
Right.
jordan holmes
The only time he shows up in the news is when he's making a fantastical claim or saying some dumb bullshit or all of that stuff.
dan friesen
Stay inside your expertise.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
dan friesen
That's what he does with his audience.
Of course.
jordan holmes
And if they call him on it, like with the Sandy Hook bullshit, you just go outside of their expertise and say, well, look, there's ballistic evidence.
Or why did the school go down?
That whole thing.
dan friesen
Make the enemy live up to its own rules.
Consider that.
If you believe in liberty, you have to give us money.
We're the only ones who are fighting for your money.
Ridiculing, I think, it's a little more subtle.
I think they're making fun of their audience just by doing it.
jordan holmes
Just by existing, yeah.
dan friesen
Make your tactics appeal to your audience.
I think tactics frequently never let up.
Threats work without follow-through.
He always teases stuff that never comes up in this entire episode.
jordan holmes
We're going to get through.
Listen, I'm going to get through all of these articles.
I've got a hundred sheets of paper on my desk.
We're going to get through every single one of them too.
dan friesen
Create constant pressure.
He does that all the time.
A negative, you know, like getting beat up is actually a positive.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
He constantly pretends that he's under massive censorship and oppression when the Secret Service is outside his door.
Right.
He is there on air, unaffected all the time.
He is not being censored in any way.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Though he says abhorrent things and allows Larry Nichols to commit a felony on the air.
Always have a solution.
jordan holmes
So do we.
dan friesen
I mean, we pushed back on it.
jordan holmes
Well, we kind of made him commit a felony.
unidentified
We were asking him if that's what he was actually doing.
dan friesen
You know, all of these things.
jordan holmes
Larry, are you committing a felony right now?
Absolutely.
dan friesen
And then he makes it personal.
He does all of these things to his audience.
His audience is his enemy.
He's using whatever these Sololinsky tactics are against his audience.
unidentified
Thank you.
dan friesen
Right.
Solinskyites.
alex jones
Stop it!
jordan holmes
God damn it, Dad.
dan friesen
So here we go.
We're done with John Bown.
And I apologize for making people listen to his terrible voiceover.
jordan holmes
It's garbage.
dan friesen
But in this next clip, he gets into some Trump news, and it's incredibly scary.
This is not a clip I'd heard outside of InfoWars, and boy, it's fucking scary.
alex jones
Wow.
And so North Korea is out of control.
I'm not calling for strikes on them, but what if they strike?
We've got to be in a strong posture here so that we can back them down and get some detente going.
A lot of folks criticizing Trump on being strong on North Korea, I think, are encouraging our enemies, quite frankly.
Because this is not the same old neocon government, in my view.
But right now, let's go ahead and go to this clip.
This is the calm before the storm, in case you missed it.
unidentified
Well, I don't think it's been gone because Western Spartan could be, but the economy was still on.
What storm is.
We have the world's great military people for this really cool country last year.
Thank you all for coming together.
Thank you.
What storm, Mr. President?
We'll find out.
jordan holmes
But give us a hint on your end.
unidentified
Thank you, Austin.
dan friesen
And as he walked off, he gave thumbs ups.
The idea that days ago he is saying this is the calm before the storm indicates that he's going to do something.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I think we're going to see a nuclear weapon dropped.
dan friesen
I only think that's possible if we do it.
jordan holmes
No, exactly.
That's what I'm saying.
dan friesen
I don't think there's anything.
jordan holmes
I think that's very possible that Trump is going to detonate a nuclear warhead.
dan friesen
I think it's more likely than I want it to be.
jordan holmes
It's super likely.
dan friesen
But the idea that the reporters are asking, and he's like, you'll find out, is fucking.
jordan holmes
That's very terrifying, right?
dan friesen
That's a threat.
That's not a cockettish answer to a question.
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
That's, oh, you'll see.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
That's fucked up.
That really terrifies me in ways I'm incredibly uncomfortable with.
So remember earlier, at the beginning of the episode, we found out Jerome Corsi, not sexy.
jordan holmes
He's really boring.
dan friesen
Not sexy.
Alex gets deeper into that about how his articles are boring and they don't go viral.
But then Alex makes a startling omission.
I'm pretty sure it makes him not a journalist.
But we already knew that.
alex jones
So the articles don't go viral on Infowars.
A lot of folks read them, but they're just not viral.
Like a Paul Watson article.
But when you talk about delivering, and we're not getting paid any lobbying money for the American people, because that's who we lobby for, myself, you.
Remember Rand Paul wanted to come on six months ago?
His plan got pitched through Dr. Coursey and others.
Quite frankly, Coursey first put out the plan and got the documents about defunding it and not letting him raid Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac.
dan friesen
He's talking about Obamacare.
We went over this in detail in an episode like six months ago or so.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
The idea that they were raiding Fannie and Freddie is absolutely not true.
There's money that came from settlements and stuff like that, and money in the government is fungible to be moved around all over the place.
They're making this up.
But Jerome Courcy apparently is lobbying in Washington.
That's not good.
jordan holmes
No, yeah.
Don't you want your news outlets also lobbying for you?
dan friesen
No.
jordan holmes
Dan.
dan friesen
No.
jordan holmes
Don't you need your news outlets to lobby for you?
dan friesen
No.
jordan holmes
Because they have your best interests at heart.
dan friesen
I don't believe they do.
jordan holmes
They definitely don't have their own best interests at heart.
That doesn't sound like human nature at all.
dan friesen
I don't believe that.
jordan holmes
We're all altruistic, especially whenever it's a corporation or perhaps somebody with a serious agenda.
dan friesen
If Alex Jones was trying to lobby, like if he was successfully lobbying the government and he got his way, they would have, like, the school lunch program would be gone and it would be replaced with super male vitality.
Or Caveman.
They just have Caveman for all the kids.
Oh, by the way, I can't get audio of this commercial because it only plays during the live thing.
The commercials are cut out from what I end up taking the clips from.
But there is a straight-up commercial for Caveman where he blames Caveman or he gives credit to Caveman for his son going through puberty.
jordan holmes
Well, don't you want that in our elementary schools?
dan friesen
I guess.
jordan holmes
Apes go through puberty much earlier than humans do.
Isn't that what we are?
Isn't that what we want to be again?
dan friesen
I guess so.
jordan holmes
It's just classic male behavior.
dan friesen
Anyway, here's the rest of the clip.
alex jones
So it's not about credit.
It's showing how that's why they want to keep Infowars off the president's desk.
Because the president, when he gets back on it, this is huge.
We should get Coursey on tomorrow.
I'm not poo-pooing Coursey.
It's like some guests aren't super viral, but with targeted audiences, they're super effective.
Look at this article by Kit Daniels.
As we predicted, Trump to sign Rand Paul healthcare plan.
Trump joins forces with Senator Rand Paul.
And it's got the whole plan to basically defund it.
Even if they don't get rid of the whole bill itself, they just defund it.
unidentified
Fake laugh.
alex jones
And then that helps the American people not get ripped off.
It forces states to bring in competition.
It'll lower prices, give you higher quality care.
dan friesen
It's not going to do any of that.
Boy, this is sad.
jordan holmes
We're back again.
Does he really believe that?
dan friesen
I don't know.
jordan holmes
I feel like that one is one that he really believes, mainly because I don't think he understands how that works.
Like, first off, he doesn't understand that the insurance industry is ultimately socialized care.
Like, he doesn't get that the entirety of it is you pay even though you're not sick because people who are sick will use that money.
And if you get sick, the people who aren't sick are going to give that money to you in order for you.
But there's just a corporation skimming off the top.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Right?
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
So he has to believe that if you get rid of those protections, then the corporation won't skim the money off the top.
But what he doesn't understand is that it's the reverse.
dan friesen
We're going to skim a lot more.
alex jones
Yeah.
jordan holmes
So I think he does believe that one.
dan friesen
He's dumb.
jordan holmes
I think that one is dumb.
On our stupid versus evil continuum.
dan friesen
It's possible.
jordan holmes
I think we're in the dumb.
dan friesen
But the way your fake laughed like that in the middle of it makes me think evil.
jordan holmes
But also, I think he's a sociopath, so he doesn't know how to laugh in reality.
dan friesen
I think the most likely thing is that he is dumb, and his alignment is naturally evil.
Okay.
And so he just has a baseline of evil even when he's being dumb.
I think that's possible.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
Anyway, in this next clip.
jordan holmes
Yeah, in your Dungeons and Dragons, like nine things right there.
You have to create a 10 where it's like, it's not lawful evil or chaotic evil or neutral evil.
It's just stupid evil.
dan friesen
In this next clip, Jerome Coursey, not sexy.
This next clip, super sexy.
alex jones
Young people are more interested in threesomes than ever.
That's a big article out university.
New Brunswick found Canadian students thinking more freely about threesomes.
But are held back by experiencing because of fear of being stigmatized?
No.
What's happening is they're less sexually active now on average.
Older people are more active.
And so they see all this online and think that's what a relationship is until they actually experience it.
And it's not all it's cracked up to be.
Just ask anybody.
I've read about that myself.
Never actually did it.
I've been all those psychological studies is that it's not very fun.
Let's continue.
I'm unhappily married.
dan friesen
Oh, boy.
I think this is a new addition to the drinking game in the chat room: Alex Jones says he hasn't done something sexual when he totally has.
I've read about it.
unidentified
Fuck off, man.
dan friesen
What are you talking about?
jordan holmes
Come on.
dan friesen
Yeah, get the fuck out of here with that.
jordan holmes
I mean, that can go bad.
dan friesen
But that's also like, that's a lot of fun.
I enjoy that clip.
But that's a good example of when he's sitting down and trying to get through the news.
That's how he does it.
He reads a headline and it's like, no.
jordan holmes
That is a good terrible coverage.
His news analysis style is just, but actually, like, I would never want to be in an improv scene with him.
dan friesen
Shit, improv.
That would be terrible.
We have one more clip left, and we get into finally some racial shit.
jordan holmes
Why do you say it like that?
We're not going to talk about the NFL, are we?
dan friesen
No, the NFL is done for now.
But what it was is some statistics came out today about crime, and I haven't had a chance to read all of them.
But the way Alex is presenting them is like, aha, it proves all this crime is black people.
jordan holmes
Transparently false.
dan friesen
I haven't looked at it, but my gut tells me he's not being accurate.
That's just my feeling.
jordan holmes
Percentage-wise, if I was a betting man, I'd bet on you.
dan friesen
I'm fine not knowing entirely at this point because this is going to come back up on a future show.
And I'll get some research by then.
So for now, tentatively, strongly disagree with Alex.
But this clip was worth keeping in just because even without knowing anything about what the statistics he's talking about, we can still say he's a piece of shit.
unidentified
Right.
alex jones
Who's really being targeted racially is white people.
Does that mean I hate black people?
No.
Does that mean the most black people are like this?
No.
But it means the new Black Panther Party and other groups, including CNN, promote killing white people as if they deserve it because they hype up the few questionable black deaths as if it's the end of the world to create the racial division.
Totally cold-blooded and completely and totally sickening.
I'm going to go back to a few of your phone calls here in a moment, but just again, briefly, it's about to end.
Caveman with the bone broth, with the turmeric, with the chocolate mushroom, with the other concentrated things like Pete Pollen.
It is about to sell out.
dan friesen
What a piece of shit.
What a piece of garbage.
jordan holmes
Have you even heard from the new Black Panther Party in years?
dan friesen
No.
jordan holmes
Right?
dan friesen
No.
jordan holmes
Like, that's just another boogeyman.
And also, look, neither of those two are advocating for killing white people because they deserve it.
I am.
larry nichols
Right.
dan friesen
But I think that Alex would like he that goes along with his narrative because he says it's freaked out white people who are doing it.
Whacked out white people.
jordan holmes
Yeah, well, I mean, yeah, that's me.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
I mean, look, if you're going to like, I would be fine if he picked me as a boogeyman.
dan friesen
Oh, that'd be great.
jordan holmes
Mainly because I'm.
dan friesen
I think Larry Nichols is going to now.
He could be able to sleep tonight.
alex jones
Oh, my God.
jordan holmes
I can't wait.
dan friesen
Can you imagine?
Like, you called him, left a message, then multiple people called him and told him to call you.
jordan holmes
How freaked out was he going to do?
That's fun.
That's weird.
dan friesen
And it's a house phone, so he didn't keep your number from before.
jordan holmes
No, of course not.
dan friesen
He doesn't remember.
unidentified
Oh, Jordan was the guy who called me and asked about Alex that one time months ago.
dan friesen
Oh, boy.
jordan holmes
Yeah, we're going to have to seriously write down some questions.
Because if he wants to talk again tomorrow, then I want to make sure that we actually do have.
dan friesen
I can wing it.
I had a lot to ask him.
unidentified
Okay.
dan friesen
Tell me more about Linda Bloodworth Thomas.
jordan holmes
You know, he can't hear you.
dan friesen
No.
jordan holmes
No.
You'd have to talk.
dan friesen
I'd need to go buy a new cord for a new board.
jordan holmes
Well, he did hear you on that one question.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
And I do have it on speaker.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Well, you're going to have to yell it.
dan friesen
All right.
We'll figure it out.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
But anyway, so today we got through.
Alex is stupid.
He's convoluting this Las Vegas narrative to the point where he can't even keep track of what's going on.
He has totally real sources.
John Bown sucks at doing his job.
I mean, you know what?
I was sitting there at work today.
jordan holmes
Or John Bown is amazing at doing his job.
dan friesen
And his job is he's a sleeper cell.
jordan holmes
Well, unless his job is voiceover, in which we can both agree.
But if your job is to insist that the other side is doing what your side is doing, crushed it.
dan friesen
Well, but he did it so poorly that it makes it obvious.
jordan holmes
That's true.
dan friesen
Yeah.
I mean, look, the thing that I came to when I was listening today was just like, this show is bad.
And I know that that's like.
unidentified
I'm 10 months into intense studying of Alex Jones.
dan friesen
Today, for one of the first times, I was like, man, I would like to get them in shape.
They need a manager.
jordan holmes
Yeah, you know.
dan friesen
They need someone who's not Alex telling them, like, this is not going to fly.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
John Bown, do you think this report is good enough?
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Alex, come on.
You've got to make these less transparent moves to ads.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
What are you doing?
jordan holmes
This is clunky as shit.
dan friesen
What are you doing?
This is embarrassing.
jordan holmes
This is a professional operation.
So your main problem with the show today is it wasn't slick enough to be really effectively evil.
dan friesen
No, I had many other problems.
But it was one of the first times that it really got in my head that it's like they need a program director.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
They definitely do.
jordan holmes
Because at the beginning of this entire podcast, your entire thought process was like, look, this dude is good at what he does.
I think he's bad.
I think he's evil.
dan friesen
I stand behind a lot of that.
jordan holmes
Not today.
dan friesen
No.
jordan holmes
Not today, man.
dan friesen
No, but I think he still is good at.
jordan holmes
Bring back Rainbow Snatch.
That's all I'm saying.
dan friesen
I still think he's good at what he does in terms of being slippery and yelling on a mic.
But I don't think that he's good at what he does in terms of running the entire operation.
Right.
I think he definitely.
I don't know how much Buckley is doing, but maybe he should do more behind the scenes.
He needs more people better behind the scenes because this shit is bad.
But this is a bad show.
jordan holmes
But that is the inevitable issue with that, right?
And it's the same thing with Trump.
He is except like what Trump is a horrible, evil psychopath who's going to get us all killed.
But as far as that guy getting elected, he has to be good at fucking something.
Right.
He's very.
But if you're not an idiot, you know you don't want to work with him because that's a dumb shit idea.
So the only people that will work with him are fucking stupid.
dan friesen
But that's why he's bad.
That's why he needs a bright-eyed, young, competent program director named Dan.
jordan holmes
Is that the secret idea behind this whole podcast?
The secret project.
Dan, by the end of 2017, shall whip InfoWars into shape.
The problem there is that they're a bad propaganda outlet.
dan friesen
I mean, if I were Trump, I would be kind of ashamed of the sloppiness of it.
jordan holmes
But he can't be ashamed of anything.
He's unashamable.
dan friesen
That's why I said, if I were him.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's true.
dan friesen
But the thing I was thinking about was like, I accidentally have watched a little bit of the real news with David Knight, and he's boring as shit.
He doesn't have the skills that Alex has, but the show is much better produced.
David Knight doesn't freak out and lose his place in things.
Whenever he does the ads, they're very concise.
They're a little more classy in terms of how he gets into them.
He always knows when commercials are coming up.
He's never caught off guard.
He's never in the middle of screaming before a commercial.
jordan holmes
He's a boring but competent broadcaster.
dan friesen
At least in terms of what is acceptable broadcasts.
jordan holmes
In NFL terms, he's a game manager as a quarterback.
dan friesen
Or a ring general for pro-wrestling clients out there.
But like, I, at the same time, understand that Alex Jones.
jordan holmes
He's Steve Nash.
dan friesen
Alex Jones would not be what he is if he wasn't bad at his job.
jordan holmes
Yeah, of course.
Of course.
dan friesen
So it is this, it's this classic paradox.
But that's the paradox that makes him interesting.
jordan holmes
Well, that's the crazy man theory of foreign policy, though, is that an unhinged actor is somebody that is far more threatening.
So if you have a Nixon in there, it's like, I'm more afraid of America because I have no fucking clue what that guy is going to do.
That kind of thing.
Or Trump.
dan friesen
The prediction in the chat room is by next year, I will be working at Infowars and you will have a gun.
And then the further prediction is you wouldn't pass a background check.
jordan holmes
No, listen, I would pass a background check, but I can't have a gun because I have a history of mental illness and my medication is working perfectly right now, but I can't have one because.
dan friesen
History has shown that you could still get one.
jordan holmes
Well, I know.
No, no, no.
I won't get one on my terms.
dan friesen
I support that.
jordan holmes
Because it's too terrifying to me.
Because it's a button.
It's a button.
dan friesen
It's like that Staples commercial.
jordan holmes
Right.
The big thing that has kept me from killing myself in the past has always been that it would be a lot of work.
dan friesen
Lack of access.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Hassle.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
I mean, great way to put it for national mental health.
jordan holmes
I mean, a lot of the time, one of the big, like, you would have to take apart my razor to get the razor blades out, and that would just be a lot of work.
And you can't.
dan friesen
It's insane.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Can't get a good grip on them if they come out of the Mach 4.
jordan holmes
Right.
And when I, so I did, if we're going to do, you know, Mental Health Awareness Day, I did attempt to jump, and that did not go well.
dan friesen
Guys, is that on the drinking game?
jordan holmes
Has Jordan attempted suicide?
unidentified
Yeah.
Yeah.
dan friesen
Got a drink.
jordan holmes
But no.
dan friesen
Did you try to jump off?
jordan holmes
My railing.
dan friesen
Okay.
unidentified
Oh, that's right.
dan friesen
We've talked about that.
Yeah, I forgot about that.
Yep.
For some reason, I like jump to, you know, it has the context of in front of a car or on a building.
jordan holmes
No, it was off a third floor balcony.
unidentified
Hell yeah.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Which, in retrospect, is like, come on, man.
That's not going to work.
You'd have to dive and your neck would have to.
dan friesen
It would be terrible.
At the time, it makes perfect sense.
jordan holmes
Well, of course.
Yeah.
dan friesen
Yeah.
I've always been more of a taking a bunch of pills guy, but be that as it may, everyone out there, our message on National Mental Health Day is having these sorts of things in your past is okay.
It doesn't mean you're broken and you can get better.
There is help.
jordan holmes
Absolutely.
And I suppose the, I don't know why we give me one of those beers.
I don't know why we jumped onto this, but you did.
What are you talking about?
I'm going to say we.
No, I just think that the big thing is to keep trying.
Just because I've gone through a bunch of different psychiatrists.
dan friesen
Keep on keeping on.
jordan holmes
And if I had stopped at any point in time, I would never have actually got onto the meds that I'm on now, and they work perfectly.
And that's my advice to everybody.
Keep trying.
dan friesen
If you take any failure or setback in terms of progress as evidence that progress isn't going to happen or is impossible, you're setting yourself up for massive failure.
Absolutely.
And, you know, it's very attractive to do that, but be that as it may.
jordan holmes
Weird way to end.
Weird way to end.
dan friesen
You know, someone who I wish would stop trying.
jordan holmes
You know, someone I wish would jump off a third floor balcony.
This one guy.
unidentified
They can land right on his fake feet.
jordan holmes
And they can go right up into his head.
dan friesen
That guy can go fuck himself.
Who's that guy?
jordan holmes
Oh, man.
Is it Larry Nichols?
dan friesen
No.
jordan holmes
No, we want to talk to him tomorrow.
dan friesen
Also, let's see if he has Rappaport's number.
jordan holmes
Oh, shit.
If he has Rappaport's number, I'm going to jerk off.
dan friesen
That would be amazing.
jordan holmes
Then we could call him and at the end of the show, tell him, Oh, go fuck yourself, John Rappaport.
alex jones
Andy in Kansas, you're on the air.
Thanks for holding.
jordan holmes
Hello, Alex.
unidentified
I'm a first-time caller.
I'm a huge fan.
I love your work.
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