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#84: December 21, 2012

Today, Dan tells Jordan all about what happened on the 12/21/12 episode of The Alex Jones Show, way back when we nearly avoided a Mayan Apocalypse. Topics covered include: Alex Jones faking a visit from the Secret Service Did Alex learn anything from his disgraceful Y2K show? Does Alex's guest, renowned weirdo David Icke, believe in voodoo? Does David Icke think Sandy Hook was fake?

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alex jones
16:34
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dan friesen
48:49
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david icke
10:12
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jordan holmes
30:12
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alex jones
Andy in Kansas, you're on the air.
Thanks for holding.
andy in kansas
Alex, I'm a first-time caller.
unidentified
I'm a huge fan.
I love your work.
alex jones
I love you.
dan friesen
Hey, everybody.
Hello.
Welcome back to Knowledge Fight.
I'm Dan.
jordan holmes
I'm Jordan.
dan friesen
We are a couple dudes who like to sit around, drink novelty beverages, and talk a little bit about Alex Jones.
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
jordan holmes
Is there a catch to it?
Is there a twist?
dan friesen
There is a twist.
I got a new camera.
jordan holmes
All right, moving on.
dan friesen
After everybody complaining about how dark my camera is, which fair, it's reasonable.
jordan holmes
You know, I kind of liked it.
It gave you a sense of mystery.
dan friesen
Certainly, certainly.
jordan holmes
Unlike Alex Jones, you don't crave the spotlight.
dan friesen
In fact, you crave the darkness.
unidentified
I do.
dan friesen
I want to hide in a hole and make fun of his dumbass.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
But now that the camera's on, you can see my luxuriant curls.
Everybody can...
Okay, who cares?
jordan holmes
All right, Dan.
dan friesen
The twist is I know a lot about Alex Jones, and you, sir, do not.
jordan holmes
I don't know anything about Alex Jones.
dan friesen
Right, there's where we find our fun.
Today we're going to be doing an interesting, in-depth exploration of a past event.
Alright.
Well, we were going to do this at our live show that we had to cancel.
jordan holmes
Oh, okay.
dan friesen
And so I had it prepared.
jordan holmes
Here we go.
dan friesen
And so today we will be going over what Alex Jones did.
On December 21st, 2012.
jordan holmes
Oh boy.
dan friesen
The day of the Mayan apocalypse.
Alex Jones got on air and had some fun.
jordan holmes
Did it happen?
dan friesen
It didn't.
jordan holmes
It didn't happen?
dan friesen
It did not.
We can confirm that the world is still here.
jordan holmes
We will be drinking Faygo today in honor of the great ICP.
unidentified
Whoop whoop.
jordan holmes
Descending upon D.C. to fight the fascists.
dan friesen
That's not what they're doing.
jordan holmes
That's not fair.
Dan, that's what they're doing.
dan friesen
That's not a fair narrative.
jordan holmes
Everybody's calling it that.
I'm clear that they're...
They, I'm sure, did not put out a statement elucidating exactly what they were doing.
dan friesen
They did.
jordan holmes
Oh, did they?
dan friesen
It's very clear what they're doing.
They've been labeled a gang by the Justice Department.
The Juggalos are labeled a gang, and that is fucking incredibly inappropriate.
jordan holmes
Not just that, but because of that...
They have had their kids taken away.
Like, all of this shit.
They've lost jobs because it's like, you're in a...
dan friesen
Or lost parole if they went to jail for something.
Any offenses.
It's probable cause to be searched if you get pulled over and you have a hatchet man tattoo.
unidentified
Man.
dan friesen
Stuff like that.
It's incredibly ridiculous.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's fucked up.
dan friesen
We stand in solidarity with our Juggalo brothers and sisters.
Juggalos and Juggalettes.
Big whoop whoop going out to you.
I love everything about you except your music and the face paint.
jordan holmes
I wish you would stop saying whoop whoop.
That's what I would wish.
dan friesen
Would you rather me talk about net-ins?
jordan holmes
I would rather you say Facebook!
dan friesen
That'll come at the end of the show.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I know.
dan friesen
But before we get to any of our business, I'd like to give a shout-out to our new donator.
jordan holmes
Oh, shit!
dan friesen
What's going on out there, Jesse?
Oops.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
dan friesen
Thank you so much for joining up with the team.
We really appreciate it.
If you out there would like to become a policy wonk, you may do so by going to our website, which is knowledgefight.com, clicking the support the show button, and we will take all your money.
jordan holmes
That's naked capitalism right there, Dan.
dan friesen
Not happy with how that came out of my mouth.
jordan holmes
Naked capitalism.
Awful.
dan friesen
You know what the issue is?
jordan holmes
What's the issue, Dan?
dan friesen
I've recorded with a couple other people in the last week.
jordan holmes
Oh yeah, by the way, just to let everybody know, all the other co-hosts suck, and I'm so happy that I have perfect job security.
dan friesen
Bitter.
jordan holmes
No, I'm just kidding.
They were great.
They were great.
dan friesen
But it's thrilling to be back here with you, and then also just like...
The work of doing it every day, I started to get used to it.
And then taking a couple days off, I'm like, I'm eager.
I'm eager for the fray.
jordan holmes
You also didn't know what to do with yourself for those couple of days.
You're just sitting here staring at the computer like, should I just live stream me?
Is that what I need to do?
dan friesen
I did think about it.
jordan holmes
Of course you did.
dan friesen
This may quickly become an addiction.
But instead, I just sort of thought about cleaning my room and did not, and that was about the story.
jordan holmes
I believe you.
dan friesen
Thanks.
So, let's get into it.
Before we get into the actual episode, here is a fun out-of-context drop from Alex Jones.
alex jones
Top French weatherman.
See, that was even politically incorrect.
He should have been a weather person, even though he is a man.
See, this is how far this goes.
Back to the Dark Ages, top French weatherman, weatherman, weatherman, weatherman, weatherman, weatherman, weatherman, weatherman.
dan friesen
Yeah.
He just screams weatherman.
jordan holmes
Weatherman.
dan friesen
He's furious about...
jordan holmes
I like the smallest...
Dumbest thing he can think of.
No one is complaining about Weatherman, especially now.
dan friesen
He's a man.
jordan holmes
We have the Mayan apocalypse to deal with.
Who cares if it's Weatherman or not?
dan friesen
Fair point that that clip is actually from a 2015 episode.
jordan holmes
You fucking liar.
dan friesen
I didn't say it was from this episode.
It's an out-of-context drop of Alex.
jordan holmes
You implied it.
I didn't imply shit.
Absolutely.
dan friesen
Up to this point, they have always been from the relevant episodes, but I couldn't find a good snippet from this, because there's just...
Wholesale insanity throughout.
So, Jordan, let's talk a little bit about the Mayan apocalypse.
jordan holmes
I want to talk more about this top weatherman.
How do you get to be the top weatherman?
Was there a competition?
dan friesen
You've got to pay the cost to be the boss.
jordan holmes
I don't know what that means.
dan friesen
You've got to go through all the ranks.
It's sort of like a Mortal Kombat tournament.
jordan holmes
You've got the challenge thing where there's the obelisk.
dan friesen
Don't step to Tom Skilling.
He's murdered many a man.
To get to the top of Chicago's weatherman game.
The context of that drop was that this French weatherman was saying that climate change isn't real.
jordan holmes
So we have to go to France's top weatherman to get some good climate change denial from Alex.
dan friesen
If I had taken out more of that drop, it gets really funny because he's like, look, I don't want to say bad things about the French.
jordan holmes
Who does?
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Who does want to say bad things about the French?
I'm sure it's never happened before.
dan friesen
Ah, look, they did that Freedom Fries thing.
That was fun.
jordan holmes
Nobody has ever called them cheese-eating surrender monkeys, I'm sure.
dan friesen
Never.
So, uh-oh, I think the stream might have dropped a tiny bit.
If it does, I apologize.
It'll be up in a second.
So, let's jump into this.
We are in 2012.
Okay, we are back online as best I can tell.
Sorry about that.
We are here in 2012.
And we will begin the episode with Alex Jones giving his take on what's going to happen and what is happening that day.
jordan holmes
Naturally.
unidentified
It is the vaunted and dreaded day.
alex jones
The day of the pole shift.
The day of the planet's...
Aligning with the sun in a magnetic field is such a trigger.
dan friesen
I want to say something really quick.
jordan holmes
Planets aligning with the sun.
Now, I am not...
A spaceologist.
dan friesen
No?
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
Is that a thing?
jordan holmes
But I would guarantee that the planets did not line up with the sun.
dan friesen
I don't believe they did.
But beyond that, the reason I paused is...
jordan holmes
They did in the movie Hercules.
dan friesen
I want to point out that I'm triggered by Alex Jones doing that voice.
Like, it's one of the only things that really makes me mad is when he does that fake voice.
And when he says hubris.
unidentified
Those two things really fucking make me...
dan friesen
Angry as hell.
jordan holmes
You can't add that many syllables.
That's just too many syllables.
dan friesen
I shouldn't reveal this on air lest Alex Jones start doing those things all the time just to try and make me mad.
jordan holmes
That would be fun.
dan friesen
But, like, it's an uncontrollable rage.
jordan holmes
That'd be fun if...
Hubris!
In no way does he...
Like, that's such a perfect way to attack us because it's like...
Only we know that he's coming at us.
So he's not giving us any publicity or anything like that.
It's just like a subtle fuck you.
dan friesen
Hubris.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Just saying that all the time.
Anyway, let's see what his take on 2012 is.
alex jones
Ultra-massive coronal ejections from the sun.
Fable to vaporize the earth.
Nibiru, Planet X, death comets.
Thundar the Barbarian type destruction.
Well, my friends, so far we're halfway or more globally into 2012.
And soon we can leave this hoax behind.
And I hope there aren't any mass suicides.
I hope there aren't any mass killings in association with it.
Because when you have the mainstream media, and that's who's pushed this.
dan friesen
No.
alex jones
Running around for decades saying that we probably have the end of the world.
I mean, mainstream media saying that.
Giving it credence.
I am surprised that we have not seen more Donald Skilling.
But I do have a report here.
Some thought massive power outage in Annapolis marked the end of the world.
Well, if you were on a respirator and the hospital didn't have backup power, it would be.
And about three to four weeks until the power went off, the nuclear reactors would all melt down.
There's 400 plus of those.
There's a lot of real threats we face.
But no one ever seems to want to get focused and concerned about those.
They're concerned about whatever the media hypes.
jordan holmes
Like Weatherman.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
What a...
So now he's taking the high ground on disaster predictions.
So his bullshit, it's going to be the summer of rage, is fine.
But the mainstream media laughingly talking about how it might be the apocalypse.
dan friesen
To be fair, we only know the summer of rage narratives from 2015.
We don't know if in 2012 he was doing all that stuff.
jordan holmes
I assume every year is the summer of rage.
dan friesen
do know that in 1999 he was saying that there are secret concentration camps in Austin airports.
jordan holmes
Well, yeah.
dan friesen
About Y2K.
jordan holmes
Yeah, but that was just responsible reporting.
dan friesen
He's learned an important lesson.
Is what I'm getting at.
Sure!
I can't join in with this.
I know Ted Anderson wants me to sell this fucking gold, but I can't do it.
I've got to do it a different way.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
I've got to try and...
jordan holmes
Well, if he's going to be an outsider, he can't peddle the same narratives as CNN or whatever.
dan friesen
I don't think CNN was saying that it's going to be the end of the world.
jordan holmes
CNN was saying it was going to be the end of the world.
unidentified
No, they weren't.
jordan holmes
No, I remember it clearly.
dan friesen
It was not the media that was saying this.
The media was covering weirdos on the internet who were talking about this.
jordan holmes
No, Barack Obama had just been...
And CNN was like, well, that's the end then.
dan friesen
I'm gonna take your guns.
Good luck in December.
I don't do a good Obama impression.
jordan holmes
No, that was not great.
dan friesen
But the thing that I really love about that clip is that he's like, this is stupid.
2012 isn't going to be anything, but also...
If power goes out, nuclear meltdowns within a week, everyone's going to be cannibals.
We know he believes that.
jordan holmes
Ten days, and that's when we start eating people.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So he's still trying to get some fear in there, even with his rejection of the fear ideas.
Of course.
jordan holmes
It's not that the prophecy is going to take us down.
It's just the end of the calendar.
But if there's a power outage, we all die.
dan friesen
I think that most of the sane weirdos on the internet were even pointing that stuff out.
That it's like, it's not the end of the world as much as it is like, what is it, the baktoon?
The end of the baktoon?
jordan holmes
I don't know what that is.
dan friesen
It's one of the lengths of time in the Mayan calendar.
jordan holmes
Oh, yeah.
They just didn't make an extra calendar.
Right.
unidentified
They ran out of time.
dan friesen
It's like this wall calendar ends in December.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
It's not like, okay, who cares?
Alex has a different sort of explanation of what's really going on, though.
Okay.
unidentified
Which you might find a little interesting, or you might find exactly what you would expect out there.
alex jones
The globalists and many of their Illuminati writers...
We did a special report on this last week that's online titled 2012 Doomsday Secrets Revealed that Terrence McKenna and many others in the last 30-40 years put out this idea and they actually say it's the beginning of the Luciferian age.
As New Agers would call it, the age of Aquarius.
So this is a very important date to the Illuminist.
And they believe this is the kickoff of their big takeover.
And you can notice they're moving very, very quickly on a lot of different fronts.
Yeah, there it is.
2012 Doomsday Secrets Revealed Special Report.
Just type that into your NSA two-way spy system.
And it will come up for you there on Google.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Wait, two-way spy system?
dan friesen
That's what Google is.
jordan holmes
The NSA is spying on you, and then you Google the NSA.
dan friesen
You're spying on the NSA.
jordan holmes
I can see you.
dan friesen
Yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
I got you guys.
dan friesen
All right.
jordan holmes
All right.
That's a bad system if you're the NSA.
dan friesen
So he's already invalidated kind of his argument.
It's not the end of the world.
It's just the beginning of Satan's reign.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it's not the end of the world.
dan friesen
Many of these globalist Illuminati writers have pointed out that it's the beginning of Satan.
david icke
Taking over.
jordan holmes
Or as New Age people would call it, the Age of Aquarius, which as we all know from Greek mythology, Aquarius is Satan.
dan friesen
Alex has heard a song, I think.
unidentified
The dawning of the Age of Aquarius.
dan friesen
I just wanted to get some singing in on the pod.
jordan holmes
I could see.
dan friesen
So that's sort of where he starts out in terms of the entirety of the narrative of 2012.
jordan holmes
Right.
It's not a disaster, but it is a disaster.
dan friesen
And it might be Satan.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Uh...
But not because of the Mayans.
That's the globalists.
Just in case something really bad happens, it's the globalists.
jordan holmes
Are we sure the globalists haven't been around for 7,000 years?
dan friesen
I don't know.
I mean, they are big into child sacrifice, so we know a lot of those Mesoamerican societies involved some measure of child sacrifice.
jordan holmes
Cutting heads off at the top of a pyramid?
That whole thing?
dan friesen
Unfortunately, Alex doesn't have a lot of time to ruminate on this.
jordan holmes
Of course.
dan friesen
Because he has to do what I would describe as a set piece.
I think this is a sketch that ends up happening.
jordan holmes
Somebody's going to jump the gorge?
dan friesen
He jumps something.
It might be reminiscent of a shark.
I'll let this play out for you.
alex jones
First off, let me show you some Second Amendment news here that is just, again, absolutely off the charts.
The Secret Service is here.
Well, bring them in here.
Bring them in here or I need a live mic.
Okay?
I mean, if they want me, they can come in here.
Anyways, ladies and gentlemen, this is not the first time the Secret Service has been here.
Just nobody talk to them.
They've got to come in here if they want to talk.
Or they can go get a warrant or whatever they want.
Anyways, getting back to what I was saying.
jordan holmes
What?
alex jones
The globalists are scared right now because they know that you're aware of their program.
dan friesen
So that wasn't what he was saying before, but also...
I don't believe the Secret Service is there.
jordan holmes
Why would the Secret Service be there?
Unless they were acting in their capacity as protectors of the Department of Treasury and he's been counterfeiting shit?
dan friesen
It's the beginning of the age of Lucifer.
They've come to neutralize me before it kicks off.
alex jones
The Secret Service.
dan friesen
Yeah, they're in on it.
jordan holmes
All right.
dan friesen
Come on.
jordan holmes
All right.
dan friesen
Secret Service!
So secret, that service.
One of Alex's big things that he says is that the Secret Service and FBI have come by his studio before.
jordan holmes
Oh, they just hang out.
dan friesen
Because he's had commenters on his message boards that have threatened to kill the president.
jordan holmes
Naturally.
dan friesen
And stuff like that.
He's like, ah, they're just stupid trolls, and the fucking FBI's gotta come down here and shake me up about it.
unidentified
That doesn't make any sense at all.
alex jones
No.
jordan holmes
Period.
Why would the FBI go to Alex?
dan friesen
Give up the IP addresses of your commenters.
It's like, I don't have that.
jordan holmes
They have the IP addresses.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
It's not hard.
dan friesen
Right.
It's sort of nonsensical, but I do believe there's a chance that they may have come at some point in the past over something like that.
Because if you go to Infowars, the comments are not to be believed.
There's a lot of vitriol and anger and threats.
Well, I guess that is to be believed.
Right.
So I could see...
jordan holmes
The only people who would come if the FBI showed up.
It was Alex Jones.
unidentified
Mm-hmm.
jordan holmes
You see what I'm saying?
Because he'd be like, this confirms everything I've ever said.
dan friesen
I'm a victim.
jordan holmes
He would be orgasmic on air.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
It would be unbelievable.
dan friesen
So one of the reasons I don't believe that it is real is because at no point is there- Because everything he says is a lie?
Well, there's that.
So it plays out, and here's the next clip of him talking about the Secret Service being in Infowars Studios in occupied Texas.
jordan holmes
Naturally.
alex jones
Also, we've now put out a petition at the White House, InfoWars.com has, to sign a petition to deport Piers Morgan for his attack on the Constitution.
jordan holmes
I support that.
alex jones
The Secret Service here?
We'll bring them in here.
Get them some chairs right here.
Usually when they show up, we don't show video of us.
Everybody's like, oh yeah, I bet the Secret Service showed up.
Until later, it's in the news or whatever, the FBI.
Anyways, we're broadcasting live here.
It's probably over some idiot on a message board or something.
What do you guys need?
Come on in.
What do you need?
I'm broadcasting live if you're here.
What's going on?
Do you have questions for us?
jordan holmes
This is sad.
alex jones
I'm on the air.
I'm on like a hundred and...
40 stations and XM and everything.
dan friesen
That's a plug.
jordan holmes
Wow.
alex jones
The Secret Service is here, and I don't know what I'm supposed to do.
Talk about radio cliffhangers here.
Well, at least come in here and show the cameras here at Secret Service.
Can I have the guy's card?
Do that.
Can I have the card, Rob?
It's always nice to have a visit by the federal government.
jordan holmes
This is brutal.
alex jones
Oh, boy.
Secret Service guys that come over here are always pretty nice.
The FBI people, though, one time were asking me, what's that poster of Obama on the wall?
And I'm like, what's it say?
It's a film.
Anyways, I got a lot of news to cover, obviously, here today.
We're going to break in about three minutes.
Then I can go out and talk to the Secret Service.
Can I have his card?
See, that's why I'm saying, guys, we need to be able to wire in.
Oh, wait, you have a camera out there.
You guys have a camera.
Rotate it over there.
You've got a camera out there.
jordan holmes
This is an interminable beginning.
alex jones
I'm not going to have time.
Here's the deal.
This is our longest break of the hour.
It's four minutes long.
unidentified
By the time I go find him in the building, I'm going to have to get back on air.
alex jones
Whatever the Secret Service is here for.
unidentified
This is just him listening to logistical reasons why he can't prove they were there.
alex jones
I forgot.
We do have a camera mounted out there.
Yeah, what we'll do is when we come back, we'll play the piece Rob Doe and Darren McBrain put together.
dan friesen
Thank God.
Yeah, so he's going to go try and find the Secret Service people while playing this special report.
And what it is is a Christmas message from the Federal Reserve.
And it's just like jingle bells kind of music playing in the background.
jordan holmes
Oh, boy.
dan friesen
And Rob Dew doing a terrible voiceover where he's like, we're going to take your money.
Merry Christmas.
It's like, all right.
All right.
jordan holmes
All right, dude.
dan friesen
It's one of those like, ah, try.
Just try a little bit.
jordan holmes
I do love...
dan friesen
He says, Mary Quantitative Easing, I believe.
jordan holmes
What?
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
All right, that's actually pretty solid.
I appreciate Mary Quantitative Easing.
dan friesen
What were you going to say?
jordan holmes
I just love the idea of he's clearly got a sketch, and he's trying to improvise within it.
He's trying to do what?
Like, waiting for Guffman.
But he is not at all funny in any possible way, and he has no idea.
dan friesen
No, and the sketch at its core is the Secret Service is here, but there's no other beats.
No, the Secret Service is there.
He doesn't have any plan for, like, all right.
jordan holmes
Like, he's just listing shit.
dan friesen
Where do we go?
jordan holmes
The Secret Service took this car to get here.
They took a Nissan Sentra.
The Sentra, it broke down along the way.
So you don't even know where the Secret Service is.
They walked all the way outside the studio.
They were asking for help.
Of course.
And we're InfoWars, and we're like, even though you're the Secret Service, we're going to change your tire.
Yeah, we're the best.
We're going to change your tire, Secret Service.
dan friesen
But the other thing, too, is that with all those details of, we have a camera out there, we can swivel it around, all those details are the indications of Alex Jones' classic lies.
Whenever he's telling a story, it's like, I said to them, blah, blah, blah, they said to me, blah, blah, and then I told them to fuck off.
jordan holmes
So, I remember it.
An FBI guy coming up and talk to me at a restaurant.
dan friesen
Why are they opposed to Obama?
jordan holmes
Oh, you're Alex Jones, aren't you?
dan friesen
Indeed.
jordan holmes
Loser.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
I am the FBI.
dan friesen
So here's where the scene plays itself out, and no more talk of the Secret Service after this.
alex jones
I don't have any personal beef with the individual Secret Service people, but...
dan friesen
Kind of do.
alex jones
They left, saying, we'll just come back with a subpoena.
And wouldn't tell us basically what it was about.
Totally ridiculous.
You guys just come back at 2 o 'clock or you can waste your time and get a subpoena.
We've had those before.
I'm sure it's going to be, let me just guess, an idiot commenter.
I bet money on planetinfowars.com or on infowars.com.
And I've tried to tell you trolls this.
If you go on there and threaten somebody, I don't know what it's about yet.
I mean, I'm going to love it if they're here asking me about what I think about Obama as some intimidation.
dan friesen
What's with this silent D?
alex jones
Let's me know I'm really starting to get to them.
That could be it, too.
dan friesen
Right.
alex jones
But, you know, four years ago they were here asking, well, what's this about the Obama deception?
dan friesen
Plug.
alex jones
And that was in March, three days before it was supposed to come out.
And I'm like, aren't you here about something else?
Well, that was FBI.
So, I'm sure it was routine because...
I just saw the whole bearing guy with the clipboard, the rest of it.
So I'll try to find out what it is.
Not a radio stunt, folks.
I assure you the Secret Service was just standing right there at that door.
I said, come on in.
The guy just literally smiled at me, turned red, and left.
He didn't really look mad.
But some of the crew said he was a little mad.
You guys ambushed me.
No, I want to talk to Alex Jones.
And they said, okay, he's in here on air.
dan friesen
He's even sort of rewriting what happened in the last clip.
alex jones
And then he was all kind of grumpy at Dew.
He was like, will you ambush me?
dan friesen
Rob Dew.
alex jones
And Dew's sitting there, barely got any sleep last night from the Christmas party, hair sticking up.
jordan holmes
Wait, so the FBI guy is standing outside.
alex jones
You asked for Ellis Jones.
You didn't know he was on the radio.
No, I don't know that.
unidentified
I gotcha.
alex jones
So, again, you can come over here at 2 o 'clock for whatever it's about.
jordan holmes
Oh, do you think they don't know?
dan friesen
Your on-air schedule?
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Yeah, I don't know.
jordan holmes
If the FBI is monitoring you, or the Secret Service, I think they could figure out what time the show starts.
dan friesen
I would assume that's...
jordan holmes
Or did they get the time zone wrong?
That must be it.
dan friesen
They might think it's, like, Eastern or something like that.
jordan holmes
Yeah, Langley is Eastern time, Austin is Mountain time, so there you go.
dan friesen
Very confusing.
Very confusing for the FBI.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
They don't plan for this shit.
jordan holmes
Also, I like the idea that they would just come with a subpoena.
That's how subpoenas work.
It's serving papers.
If he doesn't grab them, then we still can't do anything.
dan friesen
Yeah, that's just dumb.
I left it all in because it's really fun to see him struggle with trying to make something off-air be real.
jordan holmes
Is he trying to be funny?
dan friesen
I think he's trying to be manly.
I don't give a fuck if the Secret Service is here.
It doesn't scare me.
I'm great.
I think that's more of what he's getting at.
jordan holmes
What does he think the Secret Service does?
dan friesen
Secretive stuff.
jordan holmes
Oh, okay.
dan friesen
They serve people in secret.
jordan holmes
They're the secret police.
dan friesen
Indeed, the SS.
jordan holmes
Which is why we know everything about them.
dan friesen
Right.
Well documented.
So, after this, Alex Jones gets a little bit freaked out and discusses...
jordan holmes
Oh, did two Muslim women show up in his coffee shop?
dan friesen
Did not.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
Not yet.
He's not as Islamophobic at this point in history, because it was not the hot counter-cultural narrative in 2012.
I guess...
jordan holmes
They did still hate immigrants, but they were just switching it around.
dan friesen
Yeah, they had more important things to deal with at this point, which is Alex Jones fearing about his own mortality.
alex jones
This is how it'll go, folks.
If they ever pick me up and set me up, send me off to a FEMA camp or whatever, it'll be out on the highway.
Because I'm as predictable as a Swiss watch, and they know that.
Following you with your little GPS tracked phones and all the rest of it.
They just pull you over, say you resist, blow your head off.
I mean, in Houston, they've got so many CIA on their police force.
When they want to kill the CIA in Houston, they've done this on the news.
You've seen it.
They just get the guy out of the car, pull the gun out, shoot him right in the head.
unidentified
Remember that Carney guy?
alex jones
And Wayne Madsen went down there and confirmed it was a hit.
And they just, on the news, get the guy out of his car, stands there, put the gun to his head, kill him right in front of everybody.
So, you know, that's how they'll take me out.
Or plant drugs on me or something like that.
You know, some of the stuff they ship in.
jordan holmes
That's so fucking...
Especially fucking today.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
Especially today, the idea that he's fucking pulling this high horse bullshit about how police brutality is an issue.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
And today, a motherfucker got off.
Or it was...
Yeah, it was yesterday or whatever.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
And it's fucking unreal.
dan friesen
Yeah, but I mean...
jordan holmes
And of course, the cops are beating the shit out of people.
dan friesen
The protesters.
jordan holmes
For no reason.
Making up bullshit narratives.
dan friesen
So, but...
Sure, sure.
That's terrible.
jordan holmes
And I'm assuming that Alex is going to keep his ideological consistency and say police are overreaching and they are murdering people.
And it doesn't matter what skin color they are.
dan friesen
No, these Black Lives Matter people are working for Soros.
It's just cultural agitation and everybody who's white has a real grievance and the people who are black are just trying to create racial division.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
That makes sense.
dan friesen
I was interested in what he was talking about in that clip at the end, talking about the carny killing in Houston.
And so I looked into it.
I tried to Google...
jordan holmes
The carny killing?
dan friesen
Well, that carny guy is what he said.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
And so I tried to Google it, and I tried so many different spellings of carny, and all I could find...
Actually, I found a load of weird...
jordan holmes
I feel like there's only one spelling of carny, though.
dan friesen
C-A-R-N-E-Y?
jordan holmes
I was going to go I-E.
dan friesen
Oh.
No.
So, I found this story, and this is from a city outside of San Antonio.
A man is dead after police say he attempted to break into a northeast side home Friday afternoon.
It happened on the 6300 block of Aspen Farm just before 2pm.
Police say a man tried to get into a home through a window, but a woman inside met the alleged intruder and shot him.
The alleged intruder, later identified as 39-year-old James Carney of New Braunfels, died at a hospital.
Police say Carney left a seven-year-old kid in the car during the attempted break-in.
jordan holmes
Oh, well, that's his real crime.
dan friesen
So there's one Carney killing.
jordan holmes
Did he leave the windows down a little bit?
dan friesen
Crack a window.
jordan holmes
That's a big issue for me.
dan friesen
So the other one is a really...
I think this has to be what he's talking about, but I don't think it works for what he's saying.
jordan holmes
Do you mean it doesn't make any goddamn sense?
dan friesen
Well, in 1991, there was a massacre that happened.
Interestingly, at a Luby's, which we know is Alex Jones' favorite diner.
jordan holmes
Oh, that's right!
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
Where old ladies are always in trouble, and he always helps them.
dan friesen
They want money, or they don't have money to pay their food.
jordan holmes
Everybody's poor, and Alex Jones is the greatest human being on the planet.
dan friesen
Yeah, so what happened was...
jordan holmes
For old white ladies.
dan friesen
There was a guy named George Hanard.
He drove his pickup truck through...
jordan holmes
That's a tough name.
dan friesen
He drove his pickup truck through the front window of the Luby's and immediately shot and killed 23 people and wounded 27 others before fatally shooting himself.
It's the fourth deadliest massacre by a single shooter in U.S. history.
jordan holmes
Wow.
dan friesen
So the reason that this came up when I was looking into Carney killings is one of the people who he killed was named Patricia Carney.
So that is a connection to a Carney killing near Houston in...
Whatever.
I don't think that Alex wants this to be the one, though, because it was very clearly a violent massacre against women.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
He intentionally...
jordan holmes
Oh, those are very unusual.
You never see those.
dan friesen
Numerous reports included accounts of Hennard's hatred of women.
An ex-roommate of his said he hated blacks, Hispanics, gays.
He said women were snakes and always had derogatory remarks about them, especially after fights with his mother.
jordan holmes
It always comes back to the relationship with the mother.
dan friesen
Yep.
He passed over men to shoot women.
14 of the 23 people killed were women, as were many of the wounded.
He called two of them a bitch before shooting them.
So that could have been the carny...
I can't find a news story that matches up with what he's actually describing, but those are a couple of carny-related murders that have happened in...
jordan holmes
I'm very disappointed.
I was hoping it was a...
dan friesen
Like a clown?
jordan holmes
It was a clown.
Yeah, that's what I was hoping for.
A guy who runs the Tilt-A-Whirl just fucking got sick of it.
dan friesen
Yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
And then did it in like a creative Scooby-Doo kind of way.
dan friesen
You never really hear.
jordan holmes
Where the Tilt-A-Whirl just spins so fast everybody turns to jelly.
dan friesen
You never really hear about those guys who operate the rides going postal.
You never really hear about that.
jordan holmes
Well, they ran away and joined the carnival.
dan friesen
You would think, though, that that's got to be a pretty miserable life.
Out there, just fucking...
jordan holmes
I don't know, homemade smack?
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Oh, that's a good point.
jordan holmes
Seems like a good way to go.
dan friesen
I forgot about the organic...
unidentified
What's the artisan smack?
dan friesen
Artisan smack.
unidentified
All right.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So in this next clip, Alex Jones sort of exposes on air that they have no editorial process at Infowars.
jordan holmes
Of course.
dan friesen
And that he doesn't know what certain things are.
alex jones
Let me document cam some of these articles.
Here for you.
New York gun confiscation and forced buyback an option.
New York Governor Andrew Cuomo, and they're just putting out the trial balloon, remember his daddy, we got him on videotape today, Rockefeller at Bilderberg in 06, says that the state of New York is serious about gun confiscation.
The Democrat and former Secretary of Housing and Urban Development told the Albany radio station he plans to propose a package of draconian legislation during his...
jordan holmes
Is that what he said?
alex jones
State of the state address next month.
Hey, guys, will you tell Kurt there's a typo right there in the So, uh...
dan friesen
The thing that he thinks is a typo...
jordan holmes
I'm glad that he found...
I'm glad that he has some copy editing skills.
dan friesen
He doesn't.
jordan holmes
It was not a typo.
dan friesen
No, because a state of the state address is a real thing for governors to do.
jordan holmes
Oh, okay.
dan friesen
He thinks it should be a state of the union or something like that.
Right, except it's a state.
So he thinks he's finding a mistake in the...
And that would be okay if he just on air flubbed, didn't realize that it was a real thing.
But listen to this.
alex jones
Just that right there.
I meant to tell him about...
6 a.m. when this went up this morning and I never forgot to tell him.
I just got caught doing other things.
jordan holmes
I was still drunk.
alex jones
It goes on.
And these are quotes out of the New York Times article.
I don't...
We'll just proofread this on air.
dan friesen
There's better ways to do things, you know?
You can just proofread things at any point.
jordan holmes
I love the ramshackle bullshit that he has.
Like, supposedly he has millions upon millions of viewers, but it's still like, eh, we'll do some...
Look, you misspelled subpoena.
There is no being there.
dan friesen
Doing it live!
Yeah.
I mean, it's a bad process, certainly, but at the same time, he's finding an error that isn't an error and being like, I saw this at 6 this morning.
I meant to tell him about it.
Let's get it fixed.
It's linked on Drudge.
This is for real.
This is one of our pissant articles that everyone will ignore, like the shit Jerome Corsi writes.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Why don't anybody read your reports?
It's because you're too accurate.
jordan holmes
Spelling.
dan friesen
You're too on the ball.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
This is on Drudge, baby!
So, we're about to get to the lion's share, the bulk of the episode, what goes on on December 21st, 2012.
jordan holmes
December 12th.
December 21st?
dan friesen
December 21st.
It's not 12-12-12.
12-21-12.
Oh, okay.
jordan holmes
Those Mayans are really bad at calendars.
dan friesen
Yeah, they're not great.
jordan holmes
They should have gone with 12-12-12.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
That's what makes perfect sense.
dan friesen
Get on our level with our white people calendar.
jordan holmes
Yeah, come on.
dan friesen
I guess it's an Arabic calendar, isn't it?
jordan holmes
What?
dan friesen
Isn't our calendar based on an Arabic calendar?
jordan holmes
No.
It's a Gregorian calendar.
dan friesen
Gregorian.
They stole it from the Arabs.
I don't know.
jordan holmes
We stole everything from the Arabs.
dan friesen
Just trying to save face at this point.
Up to this point, most of the episode has not really had all that much to do with 2012.
We've had Alex say that it's really just the globalists.
jordan holmes
It's mainly Secret Service.
It's a very Secret Service-heavy episode right now.
dan friesen
There's a lot of just stuff that could have been on any episode at all.
But now we get to what Alex is going to spend at least an hour and a half of this show on, and that is an interview...
jordan holmes
9-11.
dan friesen
No, no, no, no.
An interview with David Icke.
jordan holmes
Oh, no.
dan friesen
Reptilian overlord David Icke.
jordan holmes
Wow.
dan friesen
Oh, boy.
So just for fun, I want to read you a couple quotes from David Icke before we get into his interview, just so you can have a good sense of the man.
If you don't know who he is, he is a guy who believes that there are lizard people that have inundated the elite levels of society, and they're trying to...
All the globalist stuff that Alex believes, just make them lizards, and it's David Icke, basically.
jordan holmes
And as Louis C.K. revealed, Dick Cheney is a lizard person.
Or was it Don Rumsfeld?
dan friesen
Rumsfeld.
jordan holmes
Rumsfeld, yeah.
dan friesen
But at the same time, that comes from David Icke shit.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
And Louis C.K. wasn't serious.
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
And apparently he's a monster.
jordan holmes
Was he?
Oh, he's super a monster.
dan friesen
So here are a couple quotes that should give you some pause about David Icke.
In the very late 1800s, a controversial document came to light called the Protocols of the Elders of Zion.
I call them the Illuminati Protocols, and I quote many extracts from them in the Robots Rebellion.
jordan holmes
The Robots?
dan friesen
That's a book that he wrote.
jordan holmes
The Robots.
Oh, okay.
unidentified
All right.
jordan holmes
So he's a Pez dispenser.
dan friesen
Yes.
jordan holmes
Gotcha.
dan friesen
Big time.
I mean, you can take from that and other quotes that he's made.
He totally believes the protocols are real.
jordan holmes
Of course.
dan friesen
And just like...
jordan holmes
He hates Jews.
dan friesen
It's not about Jews.
They're lizards.
jordan holmes
Everybody who hates Jews insists it's not about Jews.
dan friesen
Right.
I mean, Alex does it and says they're globalists.
David Icke does it and says they're lizard people.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
It's all just the same thing.
It's just like, we gotta just change the word.
jordan holmes
Mark Richards is raptors.
dan friesen
Right.
Well, no, he's...
He loves the raptors.
jordan holmes
Right.
But again, he's evil, which means the raptors are evil.
dan friesen
This is too complicated.
jordan holmes
This is how it works.
dan friesen
This is going to dovetail slightly into...
Basically, Project Camelot territory as we get through this.
jordan holmes
Excellent.
dan friesen
It'll be a little less painful as that, but here's another quote.
The whole scenario was planned centuries ago because the reptilians, operating from the lower fourth dimension, and indeed, whatever force controls them...
jordan holmes
As opposed to the upper fourth dimension?
dan friesen
Yep.
jordan holmes
The fourth dimension has tears.
dan friesen
Oh yes, absolutely.
jordan holmes
Does he not know the fourth dimension is just time?
dan friesen
You're dumb.
You're very dumb.
jordan holmes
I'm dumb.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
All right.
dan friesen
So the reptilians have a very different version of time than we have.
Okay.
Hence, they can see and plan down the three-dimensional timeline in a way that those in three-dimensional form cannot.
jordan holmes
Oh, like the movie Arrival.
dan friesen
Right.
unidentified
Yeah, there we go.
dan friesen
So he has a lot of...
That's kind of fun.
He is actually going to end up quoting a lot of movies.
Oh, yeah?
Who would have guessed?
So here we go.
Here's the introduction.
Alex Jones bringing David Icke into the program.
And explaining what David Icke's take on 2012 is.
alex jones
When systems disarm you, they can then accelerate your enslavement.
So government is arming to the teeth against us while saying we should be disarmed.
There's only a few countries they haven't taken the guns from.
And yes, the United States has always been a violent culture.
And now, because of guns proliferating even more, crime rates have gone down.
We still have a high one globally, but not compared to some countries.
dan friesen
So, there we can just pause for a second.
jordan holmes
Absolutely not true.
Every study, of which Congress does not allow, because the NRA has lobbied them to make it illegal to study the results of gun control laws.
Every study...
Proves that crime has gone down.
dan friesen
But even so, that's a...
No, but he's saying crime has gone down, too.
jordan holmes
Right.
But only when you take the guns away, as opposed to...
When the guns go up.
dan friesen
He's making a classical fallacy of confusing correlation and causation.
Because he's saying that people have more guns now, which is true, and crime has gone down.
He's saying that the guns have caused the crime to go down.
And of course there was that, as we referenced, that study out of Stanford that came out a couple months ago that showed that places that have right to carry laws show a 13-15% increase in violent crime.
Who would have guessed?
Studies that actually look at the real thing say that is not true.
But Alex being able to be like, A, B, that must mean C. That doesn't always.
So anyway, let's get to David Icke, baby.
jordan holmes
Okay.
alex jones
England's more than doubled after they completely banned guns.
That was a pretty peaceful country before that.
Somebody could speak to that as David Icke.
I really wanted to get him on, and I twisted his arm to come on because he's busy writing another book.
unidentified
2012.
alex jones
December 21st.
This is the vaunted day.
We are in the middle of it.
And he had said over a decade ago that it wasn't going to be the end of the world event like they had said.
He's gone and even met with the Mayans and others.
None of their prophecies ever said this.
So why have the globalists pushed this date?
Well, they are saying it is the launch of their Luciferian era, which is a counterfeit to the true awakening that we do see happening.
So everything they do is a counterfeit.
David believes the real awakening flashpoint, or jump point, is 2015-2016 from what he's seeing.
dan friesen
That's unfortunately maybe true.
jordan holmes
That was when shit started to go south.
dan friesen
As our investigation has shown.
jordan holmes
Yeah, and the Russians started to infiltrate us in 2015, so if they are the globalists then...
dan friesen
Or whatever the prophecy might be, if David Icke thinks like, oh, 2015-2016, that's when shit's gonna go down.
Like, well...
You might have nailed that one.
jordan holmes
That'd be fun if he was also like, it's the Russians, Putin is going to compromise you, Alex.
What you need to do is get out now.
Get out now.
Join the Luciferian age!
dan friesen
We'll get to a clip here in a little bit that actually indicates to me that Alex was already compromised in 2012.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
I'm not sure, but I think he might already have very pro-Russia sentiments in 2012.
Our investigation into that stuff is going to be...
Impossibly long.
alex jones
Right.
dan friesen
I don't know how we'll ever pull that off.
So here we go.
Alex has introduced that David Icke doesn't believe 2012 is legit.
2015 is legit.
jordan holmes
I like how he says, over a decade ago, as if everybody a decade ago believed it but him.
dan friesen
Right, in 2002?
jordan holmes
Yeah.
In 2002, everybody's like, dude, we've only got 10 years left.
Mayan calendar, that makes perfect sense.
I believe everything.
dan friesen
Yep.
jordan holmes
And David Icke is like, no!
I am the truth teller!
You're all lizard people!
dan friesen
Yeah, exactly.
So here's David Icke's introduction into the fray.
alex jones
After we get into my questions, what are some of the things that are front and center with you today?
david icke
Well, I just think we're heading, Alex, to a point in the new year in 2013 when so many things are going to come together.
dan friesen
Fan of his voice.
david icke
We have a president now in a second term.
He has no other election to win.
We have this...
Fiscal cliff, as they're talking about, and this obvious agenda to push on down the road of the Hunger Games.
If people saw that movie, there was a few people absolutely staggeringly rich in a high-tech, top-of-the-range luxury capital.
dan friesen
Certainly that's the only movie that's ever had that sort of theme.
Certainly that isn't something that exists in lots of science fiction throughout time.
jordan holmes
And it's really strange that he would choose an allegorical movie in order to illustrate his point.
dan friesen
Well, actually, there's another reason he chose it.
jordan holmes
Oh, because he loves Jennifer Lawrence?
dan friesen
It's not good.
jordan holmes
She's pretty great.
dan friesen
It's not a good reason.
jordan holmes
It's not a good movie.
dan friesen
Here you go.
david icke
And the rest of the people...
Who were feeding that wealth were actually in abject poverty and beyond Orwellian levels of control.
jordan holmes
Okay, support socialism then.
david icke
It was interesting to me because I follow symbolism a lot and so-called coincidence that Suzanne Collins, who wrote the Hunger Games book, should be in...
Living in that area of Sandy Hook.
Same with the connections from that into the Dark Knight Rising movie.
alex jones
And by the way, it's not just that they renamed it in the new Dark Knight to Sandy Hook.
They mailed out to the media attack papers.
For those that don't know, we'll talk about this when we come back.
Attack papers, orders from Bain of strike points.
And the last one, that area named Sandy Hook, was named Hinkley, the shooter of Reagan.
david icke
Well, you see, if we get really deeper into this, really deep into this, Alex, it's all about the manipulation of the human subconscious mind.
dan friesen
So, what do you think about this?
jordan holmes
Not only is Sandy Hook a hoax, but it is actually ground zero for...
Every plan that the globalists have ever had because it was named Hinkley before?
dan friesen
Well, it's big, yeah.
It's them wagging their dick around, basically.
unidentified
The globalists are like, we're going to put it all in this one place.
dan friesen
So that is a very popular narrative with Sandy Hook truthers.
The idea that if you do watch Batman, there is Sandy Hook written on a map in the movie.
jordan holmes
Really?
dan friesen
Yeah, and people are like, huh, that's weird.
But it's not that weird.
Because the prop master of the movie is from Newtown, Connecticut.
jordan holmes
Oh, okay.
dan friesen
So there's a decent chance that you just wrote Sandy Hook on it because it's his hometown.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Much like if I were a prop master, I might write Hickman or something like that.
jordan holmes
You wouldn't do that.
dan friesen
That's where I dropped out of high school, baby.
jordan holmes
You wouldn't do that.
dan friesen
No, I wouldn't.
I hated that place.
Anyway, it's not that crazy.
It is crazy that there ended up being a shooting in the prop master's hometown, but that is what we call coincident.
A coincidence, yeah.
Now, unfortunately...
jordan holmes
Or predictive programming.
dan friesen
Unfortunately, a little bit down the road...
jordan holmes
What they're trying to do is manipulate the human subconscious.
dan friesen
Well, hear me out on this.
unidentified
Okay.
dan friesen
A little bit after the movie came out, the prop master, whose name is like Scott Grabowski or something like that, Grotowski, he died.
Oh, shit.
He had a...
jordan holmes
He killed Seth Rich!
dan friesen
He must have.
Timeline doesn't match up.
jordan holmes
No, it does.
dan friesen
He got killed.
jordan holmes
He's in the fourth dimension.
Come on, man.
dan friesen
He was in a car accident where an 18-year-old driver jumped the median and hit him head on.
jordan holmes
Holy shit.
dan friesen
And he died.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
And that's very sad, but it also, to my eyes, seems like a tragic coincidence.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
However, our friend John Rappaport...
jordan holmes
Fucking no.
dan friesen
On nomorefakenews.com.
unidentified
No.
dan friesen
Wrote an article about how this prop master put Sandy Hook into the movie to tell the public about globalist plans that he had uncovered and then he was murdered in this car accident to silence him from telling anything else.
Which is reasonable.
jordan holmes
Okay.
So his plan to warn us of the globalists was to put...
The smallest thing on a newspaper that you are not paying attention to in order to warn everybody.
dan friesen
It's on a map in the movie.
What do you mean a newspaper?
jordan holmes
Oh, sorry, on a map.
Whatever.
The point being, that is a bad plan.
dan friesen
It's not great.
It's not a great plan.
I just would like to point out that John Rappaport's website is called nomorefakenews.com.
That's not fake news.
It's not called nomorebadtheories.com.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
dan friesen
So that's fair, I guess.
But a preemptive go-fuck-yourself John Rappaport coming in this episode.
jordan holmes
Yeah, you would have to have news in order for it to be fake.
Whereas he is just making shit up whole cloth.
dan friesen
Well, the news is that the prop master died.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And he's faking the news of why he died.
unidentified
Right.
jordan holmes
He just has a conjecture of why he died.
He's still reporting that he died.
dan friesen
Young people are generally more irresponsible drivers.
They are more prone to accidents.
And these things happen.
It's sad, but it's not...
jordan holmes
Possibly alcohol involved as well.
dan friesen
Maybe.
It's not a globalist murder, though, from everything I can tell.
And David Icke is fucking stupid bringing that stuff up, as is Alex Jones.
All this stuff is a crock of bullshit.
And it's disappointing to me.
jordan holmes
Oh, are you disappointed?
dan friesen
Well, whenever you get into one of these guys...
I don't hate David Icke as much as I hate Alex Jones.
Because at least David Icke talks about some stuff that I'm like, I'm into it.
Like, talking about the hypnotic effects of television and stuff like that.
There are good messages that can come from some of his stuff, even if he's saying that these...
Definitely not Jewish reptilian lizards are trying to hypnotize you through television.
I don't buy that, but I do buy the negative effects of watching too much TV, playing too many video games, that sort of thing.
It can be a negative influence.
It's not always, but it can be.
And him bringing up that sort of stuff, he's good.
I'm into it.
And when I hear someone like him that I'm like, I don't hate you.
And then they're like, Sandy Hook's totally fake.
jordan holmes
I'm like, no!
It just drives me insane how these guys are so close to figuring out why we need socialism.
They're so close to it.
Too much inequality.
There's a small group of people who have all the money.
There's a large group of people who have no money who are essentially serfs at this point.
So maybe do a little bit of reading into when that happened before and how people fucking got out of it.
But instead, it's just like the word socialism is bad so they don't even bother.
dan friesen
Well, because it's a globalist plot.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Socialism is globalism.
jordan holmes
God, it drives me fucking insane.
You guys are almost there.
And instead, your prescriptions will make it worse.
dan friesen
Totally.
Totally.
It's because of the idea of the problem-reaction solution, the Hegelian dialect narrative that they have in their head, which is they believe that the inequality and the have-nots, they're suffering so much in society, is the problem.
Then the globalists come in with socialism, which is the solution that they have pre-made for people to take, and then they're like, oh, we love it, we'll take this solution, and then it's tyranny.
Socialism leads to the tyranny.
jordan holmes
That just doesn't make any sense.
If they're globalists, they already own everything.
So they're going to cause that issue, bring in socialism, wherein they won't own everything, then institute tyranny where they will own everything.
dan friesen
It's sort of like...
jordan holmes
It seems like they're more just bored.
Like, can we pull this off?
We're trillionaires.
Who gives a shit?
Let's give it a shot.
dan friesen
They're trying to get fancy.
jordan holmes
Yeah, exactly.
dan friesen
Style points are important for globalists.
jordan holmes
That's true.
dan friesen
It's part of lesser magic.
jordan holmes
It's like an Olympic dive.
dan friesen
Right, right.
So in this next clip, Alex Jones talks a bit about some scripture.
And then on the other side of it, I have some iffy news.
alex jones
It's important that those of us that are trying to get people to expand their horizons, to expand their awareness of what's going on in this universe outside the globalist artificial box or matrix, that's why it's important that we work together and not be divided.
And that's why it's so important that we support the work that David Icke is doing because the fruits of his work are only good.
Christ was quoted as saying, you judge a tree by its fruits, and David joins us.
unidentified
So could you describe to me the fruits of David Icke's work?
dan friesen
Sort of veiled anti-Semitism, certainly.
I don't like the phrasing of, like, Christ was quoted.
Somehow I just don't like that.
jordan holmes
In a New York Times interview, Christ was quoted as saying...
We're going to take your guns away.
dan friesen
So the other problem with this is I'm going to go to the doc cam here.
David Icke in the past has said this.
unidentified
Let me get the story right.
The press claim that you claim to be the son of God.
Is that true?
david icke
Yes, you see, the thing is that...
dan friesen
So there we go.
In interviews.
David Icke has literally said that he is Christ.
david icke
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Alright.
And then whenever he gets asked a direct question, he starts dissembling, like, well, the thing is...
dan friesen
Right.
He talks about the Godhead, and also in that interview, if you want to watch that, it's pretty wild stuff.
He goes into talking about, like, the color turquoise resonates with wisdom, so if you wear it, it attracts wisdom to you.
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
And if you wear black, it gets you hate.
And then the guy who was doing the interview was like...
That's bad news for monks and nuns.
And then everyone laughs.
And he's like, you know, the great thing is laughter.
Laughter is so great.
It's a great way to break through conditioning.
And the guy interviewing him was like, you understand they're laughing at you.
It's a brutal interview.
jordan holmes
Solid burn.
dan friesen
It's a brutal fucking interview.
But David Icke has said he is the son of God.
Which I would imagine Alex Jones would not be...
jordan holmes
Well, I mean, the fruits of his work prove that he is the Son of God.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
So you judge the Son of God by the fruits of his work.
dan friesen
His fruits are a peach!
jordan holmes
But seriously, has he done anything?
Like, period.
dan friesen
He's given a lot of speeches.
What do you want?
jordan holmes
What are you asking me?
If you're gonna come with the fruits of his work bullshit, then there has to be work and then...
Fruits.
dan friesen
Well, I guess the fruits are...
jordan holmes
So, if he's just done work and it's been speeches where he's gotten paid, there's not really any fruit there.
dan friesen
I'm guessing the way it would be conceptualized is that he's woken up a lot of people.
jordan holmes
Oh, he's bringing awareness.
dan friesen
Right.
He's turned people on to the globalists, even if he thinks that they're reptilian lizards.
jordan holmes
Some people are heroes for bringing awareness to breast cancer.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
And other people...
Lizardmen.
dan friesen
Lizardmen.
jordan holmes
Gotcha.
dan friesen
And that's where he's on.
So Alex asks David Icke...
jordan holmes
It's just a regular spectrum, you know?
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
Good, evil...
dan friesen
Lizards.
unidentified
Lizards.
dan friesen
So he asks him, how's it going for these elites?
How are things for the globalists?
And here's David Icke's answer.
alex jones
How is it going for them?
david icke
Well, I think that, you know...
If people read my books in real depth, they'll see a lot of background to the fact that this force, which is manifest in our reality through these bloodlines and, you know, these interbreeding so-called elite bloodlines and families, we do not depend upon them.
They depend upon us.
It's the relationship between humans and this force and their representatives in human form of the parasite to what it's parasiting of, the parasite to the host.
Humanity is the host.
These are the parasites.
So how is it going for them again?
Is the parasite's life force, if you like, is low vibrational human emotion.
All the emotions around fear and hatred and conflict and frustration and worry and terror.
And thus, they have a manipulated and constructed global society to create situations that constantly generate those energies.
So, you can look at Sandy Hook.
dan friesen
Uh-oh.
So that ended poorly.
jordan holmes
So how is it going for them?
dan friesen
It's going great.
jordan holmes
He spent a lot of words saying nothing.
dan friesen
Nothing.
jordan holmes
And then answered no question.
dan friesen
Well, but at the same time, I think there's a version of what he's saying that if you want to look at it artfully and metaphorically, he's saying something good.
jordan holmes
If you want to look at his books.
dan friesen
Well, if you take the Sandy Hook part out of the end of that clip, just leave that alone.
Just ignore that he said that at all.
jordan holmes
Leave out the same...
Leave out the Sandy Hook part.
dan friesen
If you just take that he's saying...
The way he's saying it is that there are these lizard reptilian elites who feed off negative energy.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
And that could be construed as a metaphorical way of expressing that these oppressive government forces and people who wish to do ill know that in negative circumstances they can get away with a lot more.
If you are attacked, it's easier to get your military-industrial complex going and make...
Take money off war.
jordan holmes
That's true.
dan friesen
So if that is what he's saying, he's doing a terrible job of saying it.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
But at the same time, it's like...
jordan holmes
He is right.
dan friesen
Well...
jordan holmes
It is the globalist.
dan friesen
But I don't think he's saying that.
jordan holmes
I think that's what he's saying.
I think he is clear.
dan friesen
No, no.
jordan holmes
With all of the words he just said, he spelled it out clearly.
dan friesen
He's saying they literally feed off negative energy.
jordan holmes
Well, yeah.
dan friesen
Like we eat food.
jordan holmes
Yeah, but he means literally in the way that everybody uses it, which is to say figuratively.
dan friesen
Right.
No, he's not.
So, you might have noticed.
jordan holmes
Like, he is literally always telling the truth.
dan friesen
Literally.
At the end of that clip, he mentions Sandy Hook, you may recall.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I wish he had not done that.
dan friesen
And he does some more in this next clip.
david icke
You can look at Sandy Hook.
dan friesen
You can.
david icke
But we're missing the point if we look at it only on one level.
On one level, yes, it's about an excuse to take guns away because of the same reason that they stopped guns and ammunition being owned by Jewish people before this diet ran.
alex jones
Yeah, that's another one.
david icke
Another one is to create what?
Emotional trauma collectively in the population.
Not just in America over Sandy Hook, although obviously much greater there.
unidentified
We're talking about psychic vampires with David Icke.
jordan holmes
Icke!
dan friesen
What?
Wait.
Am I supposed to be David Icke in this scene?
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Oh, no, I can't.
I can't do this.
unidentified
All right, fine.
dan friesen
I can't do a British accent.
jordan holmes
Sounds like a psychic vampire trait.
dan friesen
So, this is also a really...
jordan holmes
Try a British accent.
dan friesen
Oh, boy.
jordan holmes
Good call.
Good call.
We're going to scratch that.
We're going to scratch that bit.
dan friesen
Crikey.
jordan holmes
Never going to do that again.
dan friesen
So, I again think that he's trying to express something else, but doing it through this paradigm of...
Of lizards and globalists and what have you.
And that is that it's really painful, the idea that these events happen.
And if we contextualize it in terms of an evil force, faking it or making these things happen in order to get their evil food, it's easier to wrestle with that than it is to wrestle with the fact that other humans might bring guns to school and kill children because they're that...
Disconnected.
They're that abused.
They're that in pain themselves.
It's...
It's much harder to look at humanity and see it for what it is than it is to make up narratives about, oh no, it's space lizards.
It's space lizards, and they have to do these things in order to get their food, and they can only eat if we all feel terrible things.
So they create mass trauma in events like this so that they can feed off it.
jordan holmes
Right.
Well, it's a lot like climate denial, wherein if you create this false reality of...
as a false flag in the same way that he thinks that, you know, Sandy Hook is a false flag in order to get a carbon tax.
Right.
unidentified
You don't have to wrestle with the fact that humanity has killed itself.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
unidentified
And that's something that, you know, if you actively participated in, your denial only has to get stronger.
jordan holmes
Otherwise, you're going to have a day where you just sit down and all of a sudden it hits you and you're like, everything I have done has...
Wound up hurting humanity as a whole.
dan friesen
Well, and as you pointed out, as that clip was playing, it wasn't the first school shooting.
jordan holmes
No shit.
dan friesen
And the other thing about when you talk about climate change that relates to this is when Sandy Hook happened, we didn't not know that could happen.
It had happened before, and one of the things that's extra painful about it is on some level we had warning.
jordan holmes
Oh, absolutely.
dan friesen
School shootings had happened, and they happen a bunch.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
And we should know that these things are going to happen unless we behave differently.
And with climate change, it's the same thing.
We know.
We have warnings.
And when things go as bad as they probably will, we will have to wrestle with the fact that we knew we were doing this to ourselves.
jordan holmes
Oh, of course.
Especially the oil executives who are just sucking as much money out as they could before...
dan friesen
They gotta flee to their armored redoubts.
jordan holmes
No, I think it's more like they have to have had this idea from the research that it's like, well, the worst effects won't be till 2040.
So they're like, well, I'll be fucking dead.
What do I give a shit?
That's one of the big issues that I have with all of these people is they're not killing themselves.
They're killing us.
It's so fucking frustrating.
Or, I mean, if you just want to engage with that dumbass's narrative of they're using trauma to gain psychic fear or vampire bullshit or whatever, don't they know how fucking numb we've become to school shootings?
Like, I remember Sandy Hook happening, and I remember being so angry, but at the same time just resigned.
Like, we didn't do anything after the last shooting.
We're not going to do anything after this shooting.
So there will be another one.
How can I process trauma now when it is only foreshadowing for more trauma later?
dan friesen
Perfect.
That's exactly what the globe is for.
jordan holmes
The numbness?
dan friesen
Yeah, they can feed off that.
It's a negative, low emotion.
jordan holmes
Right.
God, it's fucking insane.
dan friesen
You know what else is insane?
jordan holmes
I want to take your guns away.
dan friesen
I don't have any.
jordan holmes
Dan?
dan friesen
I don't have any.
jordan holmes
Give me your guns.
dan friesen
Okay, you can have them.
I don't have any.
jordan holmes
Says the guy who can't do a British accent.
alex jones
Oi!
dan friesen
So, in this next clip, Alex Jones reveals, I think, I think, Alex Jones believes in voodoo.
unidentified
All right.
alex jones
Anton LaVey.
I studied the globalist.
I studied some of what Aleister Crowley wrote, but I went back to stuff for 1,000 years old, 500 years old, Jewish mysticism, Babylonian mysticism, and looked, and it's all the same thing.
And they believe, they call it lesser magic.
That's what David Icke's talking about.
It's what voodoo is, a model of somebody, and then you stab it, and then it makes them actually get hurt.
And whether it's real or not, I don't believe in stuff like that, that it's actually the doll doing it.
Something spiritual is happening.
Something in a plane we don't understand to put it in layman's terms.
They know six senses there.
It's been scientifically proven.
They know birds and things.
They know days before a hurricane even forms or an earthquake.
They have these cells in their brains that pick up magnetic information.
They've proven humans have these.
They know birds follow these magnetic lines.
Well, then you find out...
All these cultures built temples on these lines.
So the ancients know what we've now been hidden.
jordan holmes
Jesus Christ.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So Alex believes in voodoo.
It's not the doll.
jordan holmes
One, I love the way that you start clips with just this random non-sequitur.
Of all the things that I was expecting to hear, the first words being, Anton LaVey was not one of them.
dan friesen
Yeah, he likes the dark arts.
unidentified
And then the other thing is just...
jordan holmes
Of course it's not the doll doing it.
It's spiritual energy.
dan friesen
Don't paint me with that brush.
How dare you?
jordan holmes
The doll's not alive, but the spirits that inhabit it are.
dan friesen
Right, it's the Sixth Sense thing.
So, leaving all that other stuff aside, the ley lines and what have you, that's something we could discuss on a paranormal cast at some point.
jordan holmes
Fucking ley line bullshit.
dan friesen
But, Alex Jones, kind of wishy-washy on voodoo.
Let's see what David Icke thinks.
unidentified
Okay.
alex jones
Now, David, I'm going to shut up.
You've got the floor on the subject.
Then I want to get to some calls and some other issues.
david icke
Well, voodoo is very straightforward.
And all this stuff is very straightforward.
When you create a hologram in a studio, the information that creates the apparently three-dimensional form is in a waveform.
And when you look at it, it looks like a fingerprint.
It's just wavy lines.
But you fire a laser at the wavy lines and suddenly, and apparently, the best of them anyway, an apparently solid three-dimensional form appears miraculously in front of you.
And, you know, we've seen holographics is being used more and more in stage shows and conferences and all this stuff.
And on television.
And so, if you can get...
To the waveform level of everything, let's keep it simple and say, keep it simple, the electromagnetic field of everything, then you get through to the holographic projection.
Therefore, voodoo is focusing the mind.
The doll doesn't do anything.
dan friesen
So they agree.
david icke
The doll is simply...
A focus of attention that represents the target.
jordan holmes
Like a wand.
david icke
And by focusing attention on the doll, and what you're doing is you're focusing attention on the electrical magnetic field of the doll, you can connect that frequency-wise, vibrational-wise, to your target.
They become, in effect, one field.
So what you do to the doll then gets transferred to the target through the electromagnetic field.
This is how it's done.
This is the level of awareness of reality that those behind those that we see as obvious orchestrators of this stuff, they're still artisans and oil rags if you can actually see them.
That's what they are doing.
dan friesen
So, he does believe in voodoo 100%.
And he thinks the elites practice it.
jordan holmes
These super-duper elites.
There's always now a pseudoscientific justification for magic.
Like, that's the fun thing about science fiction.
Especially with Arthur C. Clarke's quote, you know, any sufficient technology is compared to magic.
That kind of thing.
But these guys just make up such bullshit.
Like, a magnetic field?
Do they...
Could they sit down and explain what a magnetic field is outside of any kind of magic?
Just like, what is a magnetic field?
dan friesen
You're asking me if David Icke could?
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
He could talk for a long time.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Frankly, I'm asking now if you can.
dan friesen
No.
Certainly not.
Not without a little bit of prep.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
But what I can tell you is a little bit about David Icke's past.
He used to be a soccer player, I believe.
jordan holmes
He was a magician.
dan friesen
No, he was pretty...
He was like a famous...
He played soccer for a bit in England, then he became an announcer, and then went nuts a little bit.
I listened to a long interview with him on Project Camelot.
He does a two-hour interview with Carrie Cassidy, where he explains that he went to a jungle or something like that, and he was on a mountaintop, and all of a sudden he went into Christ pose.
He had his arms extended.
And he couldn't move his arms.
And he heard a voice that told him, you will stay like this until the rain comes.
And he could see way off in the distance rain clouds.
And he's like, that's really far away.
And he was there for like hours in a Christ pose.
jordan holmes
So he has some obsessive compulsive disorder.
dan friesen
He was downloading information.
Like some entity was talking to him and explaining everything to him.
jordan holmes
Gotcha.
dan friesen
And then as soon as the rain came and washed over him, he came back to his senses and his arms came down and he was in a lot of pain because doing this for a long time hurts.
Right.
And so that's when people started talking to him.
Other voices started creeping into his head after this transformative experience.
jordan holmes
The more characters that we wind up meeting on this show, the more it's become a game for me to be like, okay.
Is this pure mental illness?
Is this conning?
Is this a mixture of the two?
Like, who's where?
And with David Icke, you're like, oh, you just have a mental illness.
He's not trying to screw anybody.
dan friesen
He is trying to make money, though.
jordan holmes
Yeah, but I mean...
dan friesen
He's a multi-multi-millionaire.
jordan holmes
For real?
dan friesen
Yeah, oh yeah.
He's incredibly rich.
Yeah, he's very big.
He might be...
jordan holmes
Was he a good soccer player?
dan friesen
I don't know anything about it.
jordan holmes
Say football in a British accent.
dan friesen
Football.
jordan holmes
That's, wow.
dan friesen
I told you, I'm not good at accents.
jordan holmes
That's horrific.
dan friesen
But he's one of the biggest people in this fringe world.
He is the Michael Jordan of absurd conspiracy.
jordan holmes
Instead of the Michael Jordan of gambling.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
Who is Michael Jordan?
dan friesen
Right.
I don't know about that.
I don't like this.
You can't downplay David Icke's actual importance to the...
The fringe conspiracy world.
He's up there, baby.
unidentified
Really?
dan friesen
Way up top.
Why?
Because he was talking about this stuff in like the 90s.
jordan holmes
But he's not saying anything.
dan friesen
He went on that program.
jordan holmes
His words don't mean anything.
dan friesen
Well, he went on that TV show that we just dropped a tiny clip of and got mocked roundly when he said that he was Christ's son or God's son and said that turquoise is a magical color you should all wear.
jordan holmes
I do believe turquoise is a magical color, but for very different reasons.
dan friesen
But he says all that stuff on TV.
It's mocked, and then he takes his lumps.
Like, he keeps going.
And I think a lot of the people in the conspiracy community were really impressed with that.
Like, he became a hero in that he didn't back down.
When everyone was making fun of him, he was like, nah, fuck y 'all.
I'm gonna keep going.
And to some extent, I admire that.
jordan holmes
There's a certain amount of it.
dan friesen
And because he stuck with it, he was on the early floors of it publicly.
And there's a song by George Clinton and P-Funk where they just scream, David Icke!
unidentified
David Icke!
dan friesen
So that got the word out.
jordan holmes
Alright, that'll do it.
When the P-Funk is back in you, you're good.
dan friesen
I also had a friend growing up in Columbia named David Icke who was just a buddy of mine that I'd drink with and get high with.
And I thought that the P-Funk song was referencing him because I didn't know about the...
jordan holmes
You didn't know about the famous David Icke.
dan friesen
The conspiracy David Icke.
I was like...
jordan holmes
You just assumed that your buddy was...
dan friesen
I smoked a lot of weed back then.
jordan holmes
Gotcha.
dan friesen
A lot of unbelievable things became believable.
jordan holmes
Right.
Like lizard people.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Here's another unbelievable thing.
Alex Jones talking about ways you can treat cops.
jordan holmes
Oh, no.
david icke
If we don't stand down and we keep putting this information out, the information is so powerful in its effect in the end.
Why?
Because it's true.
alex jones
Well, I've seen this.
I agree.
I've seen this a million times when you're dealing with bad police, not all police.
They're trying to twist them, though.
A lot of police are resisting it.
When you're scared of government people, they feed and get more wound up and more crazy.
When you laugh at them genuinely from a place of no fear or talk to them like they're children, they absolutely run.
dan friesen
Ah, that must be because you're white.
jordan holmes
No, no, no, no, uh-uh, uh-uh, nope.
dan friesen
Can you imagine this scenario?
jordan holmes
Nothing to do with race, Dan.
Blue lives matter.
dan friesen
His argument that he's making is that if you're scared of cops, they'll run all over you, but if you talk to them like children, they run away.
Or if you laugh at them.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Oh, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
That does not work for everybody, Alex.
jordan holmes
They definitely don't say they're going to murder you and then 45 seconds later fucking murder you.
dan friesen
El Cabong, basically.
Jesus fucking Christ.
jordan holmes
Have you read about the people in Chicago who are leading the Abolish the Police movement?
dan friesen
No.
jordan holmes
It's a very interesting idea.
Their point being that the police were really just established.
dan friesen
Protect the rich people?
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Protect the property of rich people.
jordan holmes
And definitely murder black people.
That's kind of where they came from.
So the idea is that...
dan friesen
Those were their first two albums.
jordan holmes
Pretty much.
And then they released one that only Martin Shkreli has.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Or does he?
Anyway, go ahead.
jordan holmes
No, they just want to replace it with something that is...
Not inherently racist.
Which, I don't know what that would be.
Would it be just a simple peacekeeping force?
Would we allow the UN?
dan friesen
No, that's Alex's greatest fear.
Yeah, right?
I don't know, maybe some sort of community organization that has oversight boards and stuff like that.
jordan holmes
Absolutely.
dan friesen
I don't know.
jordan holmes
We do need to...
Whenever...
Cops have a black site in Chicago, like the fucking CIA in goddamn Afghanistan.
It's gone too fucking far.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
And they're immunized from any kind of consequences for their action, which is mind-boggling.
dan friesen
Because of the supremacy clauses and stuff like that?
jordan holmes
Oh, absolutely.
Well, and then you have...
dan friesen
Federal crimes.
jordan holmes
Ruling on that fuckface who just murdered a black dude and got off.
dan friesen
In St. Louis.
jordan holmes
Yeah, in St. Louis.
The last line of the judge's ruling was, it is an easy assumption to make that a heroin dealer would have a gun in his car.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
And there's no evidence he was a heroin dealer.
dan friesen
Oh.
jordan holmes
None at all.
So this judge, guess what?
Is a fucking racist!
dan friesen
Let me deconstruct this a tiny bit, because I agree with that premise as you phrased it.
Is it in any way racist?
If you are just talking about the general group heroin dealers, is it weird to assume that a heroin dealer would have a gun?
jordan holmes
It is not!
It is weird to assume that...
Every black man driving alone in a car is a heroin dealer.
dan friesen
Right, that's a bad assumption.
jordan holmes
That's a bad assumption.
That's a racist motherfucking judge who just...
God damn it!
Just the cops during the protests now, you can see the inherent racism within the police force.
They're just fucking ripped up with all of this anti-riot gear, lying about what other people are doing so they can justify their...
Unabashed violence against the poor.
dan friesen
And a lot of that comes into the intersection of the militarization of police and racism and the classism.
All of it is bundled together, what you're seeing there.
jordan holmes
Yeah, we're fucked.
dan friesen
Quite.
But David Icke does not believe necessarily that it's bad humans that are doing things like the stuff we're talking about.
jordan holmes
So easy to disbelieve that human beings can be that much of monsters.
dan friesen
Right.
He has a completely different take on it.
Check this out.
david icke
Well, Alex, I mean, how long we've got here, but I mean, I could talk about this.
You've talked twice here about counterfeiting, and you've talked about deceit, right?
Well, you know, there is an area of research that I've been pulling together for some time, and that is common themes.
I always find it very compelling when I see very different peoples and very different sources coming to the same conclusions and talking about the same things.
And there is a force which is described in precisely the same way by ancient Gnostics, they call them the Archons, by the pre-Islamic Arabians.
Islam picked it up, the djinn.
They call them in Central America the flyers.
The Christians call them the demons, and so on and so forth.
And when you look at what he said about these, let's look at what the Gnostic writings from 2,000 years ago say about these archons, that they are energetic beings, but with a mentality that's robot-like and what we would call computer-like.
They do not have the ability for what the Gnostics called intentionality, what I will translate as creative imagination.
It's like, try to get a computer to create something.
You can't.
You have to put in the information to create through it.
You can't do it from scratch.
We humans have creative imagination.
Thus, to create the world that they want, which is this Orwellian nightmare, and then some, they have to get us to use our creative imagination to create it.
And that's why they're programming constantly.
alex jones
Stay there, this is important.
dan friesen
It's not important.
unidentified
No.
dan friesen
So it's the archons or the djinns or the demons.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
They are possessing people to act all bad because they need to create this world, but they don't have any creativity.
They have to possess us to use our creativity or something.
Also, if you want to look into it, there's some really interesting stuff.
Computers can compose music.
Computers can create art, essentially, of their own volition.
Now, granted, you do have to have...
The computer has to have access to examples of stuff, but it can create entirely new things.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Out of...
unidentified
It's stupid.
jordan holmes
And then your question becomes, what is it worth?
You know, that kind of a thing.
Is there any artistic ability within an algorithm?
dan friesen
Oh, I thought you meant his argument.
jordan holmes
Oh, his argument makes no sense.
Although there is one thing that does make sense, is that whenever you see so many different types of people coming to the same conclusion, or at least you just assume it's the same conclusion because you didn't fucking read anything about it, you goddamn idiot.
But the point being, 2,000 years ago...
It's the same fucking idiots who are trying to justify human behavior by attributing it to something elsewise.
The reason that my dad constantly goes on about how human beings are fallen is because it's impossible to just take...
Responsibility for being an asshole.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Like, that's just what they can't deal with.
And so it's always been a human tradition to be like, nah, it's demons.
dan friesen
Demons.
jordan holmes
Nah, no, no.
It was witches.
dan friesen
Witches.
jordan holmes
It's not that people get sick.
It's demons.
It's djinn.
It's whatever the fuck you want to call it.
dan friesen
Right.
Well, and if you want to take a...
I mean...
Just because you brought in witches.
I mean, if you want to look at the history of witches.
jordan holmes
Oh, is it traditionally misogynist?
dan friesen
Well, there's that.
And then also, like, the Salem Witch Trials was about land, basically.
It wasn't even about the...
It was using demonic language in order to facilitate whatever...
Right.
And that's what David Icke is doing, too.
jordan holmes
It's strange that a lot of the women who were accused of being witches were widows or single women who owned things.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
And if you got killed as a witch, guess where all of that stuff went?
dan friesen
Yeah, and they had land disputes with the Putnam family.
It's all such crazy bullshit.
jordan holmes
Or there was a...
dan friesen
I don't know if that's the same one, but there was one guy who wanted to inherit stuff, but she was widowed, and she married a black guy.
Oh, well, that's...
jordan holmes
That one could not have been more open and shut for those guys.
dan friesen
Because then that black guy would inherit property.
jordan holmes
Yeah, and that's just not gonna happen.
dan friesen
Yeah, so all of this stuff about demonic stuff, there's a lot of different branches that it covers in terms of...
It's one part that stuff, bigotry, misogyny, and shit like that throughout history.
And then the other is not trying to wrestle with the downside of being human, which is sometimes you do fucked up stuff.
And sometimes people do terrible stuff.
jordan holmes
And they do it for their own gain.
Like, they once again convince...
Dumb people to just believe in this kind of nonsense so they can get what they want.
dan friesen
It would be fun if it was archons.
jordan holmes
It's the entire Republican Party.
That's what it is.
dan friesen
Hey, we brought it back.
Brought it back to politics.
All right, so here's some more about these archons David Icke wants to tell you about.
david icke
Yeah.
They can be described, the Gnostic said, in one word, deceivers.
dan friesen
Yeah.
david icke
Their method of manipulation is deception.
They are mind parasites.
And they parasite off human energy and they parasite off the human mind and manipulate the human mind.
This is the Christian perception of possession, which is true.
These things exist.
These energetic fields, energetic entities, they lock into people at the electromagnetic field level and then start dictating through that the perceptions and the behavior of the possessed person.
They talk about...
The Gnostics, the Archons are able to create something that they call HAL, which translates as, wait for it, virtual realities.
They have the ability to make people see things that aren't actually there.
How do they do that?
By manipulating the way that people construct reality in the few cubic centimeters at the back of the brain.
That's how.
jordan holmes
I don't think so, Dan.
david icke
This is the other thing.
That has been mentioned already today.
Another thing on the real top list of what the archons do and how they do it is they invert everything.
They turn everything on its head.
So when Obama talks about love, he's talking about hate.
You've got to turn everything they say upside down to see what they're saying.
This is why Satanists, who in their rituals are worshipping and interacting with these archontic entities.
Invert everything.
They invert the cross.
They invert the Pentecost.
alex jones
They're turning women into men and men into non-entities.
Everything is turned upside down.
david icke
This is why.
This is the force.
jordan holmes
If it was opposite, wouldn't you just say men into women?
david icke
Which is why these families and elite families and bloodlines are so obsessed with bloodline, have a hybrid genetics, i.e.
a hybrid energetic field which is much closer to the energetic field And by the way, whether that was true or not, all over their writings, as you know, David, even BBC articles, the elite believe they are a separate species.
alex jones
They say this.
david icke
A separate species, because they have been specifically created on the body level to be energetically, vibrationally, frequency-wise, closely connected to these archontic entities that operate outside of human sight, so that the possession of these bloodlines is able to be far more powerful and total than it is of the general population, although it happens with the general population as well, as we know.
jordan holmes
Yeah, the Targaryens.
david icke
When you're looking at the Rockefellers and the Rothschilds and the British royal family and all these people, you are looking at these archontic entities incarnated in you.
alex jones
It'd be like if I had a remote control robot or when they send the Mars rover to Mars, it's being run from Houston.
david icke
No empathy, they have no conscience, and that they are running this whole society to bring about an end of total human control.
dan friesen
So...
jordan holmes
Why?
dan friesen
What do you mean?
jordan holmes
And if they've been around for thousands of years, how have they not already done it?
dan friesen
Because they're waiting for the end game, which is, I guess, Trump?
I don't know.
jordan holmes
Why?
dan friesen
I don't know.
jordan holmes
Why would you do this?
dan friesen
I don't know.
jordan holmes
And if you do want to get rid of total human control...
To do what?
dan friesen
To be in control.
When they're already in control.
jordan holmes
But they're already in control!
dan friesen
I know, it's stupid.
jordan holmes
But what would they...
Okay, again, war games.
dan friesen
War games.
We need to have a graphic.
War games.
jordan holmes
Yeah, now that we're a video, we gotta have some more interesting graphics.
dan friesen
Looking at us drinking Faygo, not very visually satisfying.
jordan holmes
Okay, so...
You're an energetic being.
unidentified
Okay.
jordan holmes
First of all, what does that look like to you?
dan friesen
It looks like this.
I am an energetic being, my man.
I'm a seventh density light being.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
Now go ahead.
jordan holmes
All right.
So if I shot a laser at you, it would turn into a hologram?
dan friesen
Something like that, yeah.
unidentified
Okay.
jordan holmes
That makes sense.
dan friesen
No one's ever tried.
unidentified
All right.
jordan holmes
So you are interbreeding with British people and the Rockefellers, of course.
And then the goal is to get rid of total human control.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
Okay?
And then what?
dan friesen
I don't like playing this war game because I don't know.
jordan holmes
Do they get something?
dan friesen
Yeah, they get total control, which theoretically they already have.
Look, I want to tell you this.
This is another instance of him trying to artistically say something that makes some sense, but because of the way he's doing it and because he literally believes the things he's saying, he's crazy.
What he's talking about in terms of these bloodlines is his explanation for it is...
jordan holmes
The estate tax.
dan friesen
They intermarry and do that because their bloodlines are easier for the archons to manipulate and possess their bodies.
So the archons are sort of demanding that these bloodlines stay pure in order that they be the vessels for their evil plans on Earth.
The reality is that this is just a practice that goes back to the beginnings of human history wherein...
Rich people don't marry outside of property classes because you will lose what you have.
That's why in a lot of cultures you'd marry your cousin.
Things like that.
Keep the property within the family.
And so you have these people who are like the Rothschilds, who everybody likes to point their little waggy finger at, and they marry within higher stratum because the same reason.
You don't want to lose billions of dollars to somebody in a divorce or whatever, so you marry another child of a billionaire, and then there's no real issue.
You all have your shit already, and you can consolidate.
You also make alliances between super-rich families that bring more.
Into both of your families.
So that is why they do it.
It's not because of Archon possession.
jordan holmes
It's a pathological need to keep stuff.
dan friesen
Now we get back to where he's accidentally kind of advocating for socialism, because he wants to stop this Archon possession and all that shit in the bloodlines, which would involve disruption of the bloodlines or whatever, and we would too.
jordan holmes
Which is why he wants to raise the estate tax to a much higher percentage, and it should be after two million.
dan friesen
I don't disagree with that, but I think that...
jordan holmes
That would be great if he has this whole magical worldview, but very sensible solutions to it.
Like, listen, all these fucking energetic beings are taking all of our money, they're pulling all of this bullshit, and that's why I think we need a return to the New Deal, and we need to establish a 95% tax on the wealthy.
And you're like...
dan friesen
I like you.
You're crazy.
jordan holmes
But you're crazy.
dan friesen
I like you.
You know what I've been thinking about?
I've been thinking a lot about the idea that people like Alex Jones and people of the libertarian bent like to get into, which is the idea that if you make it, like, if you tax super rich people, then there'll be no incentive to be super rich.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that makes perfect sense.
dan friesen
But my response to that is good.
I don't think that there should be an incentive to have $20 billion or whatever.
I think that, as I've seen, our friend Katie McVeigh has posted this a couple times.
I think it's a really good way of putting it.
The choice of being super wealthy is a morally suspicious choice.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And I kind of agree with that.
jordan holmes
That's very brilliant.
dan friesen
If you have over $10 million and you're charged 100% tax, over $10 million that you make in a year, that does not de-incentivize people to make businesses.
That doesn't de-incentivize people to be reasonably, wildly successful.
jordan holmes
What it does...
dan friesen
If you make over $10 million in a year, you're probably fucking something up.
You're probably doing something illegal.
Or at least, why do you need to do that?
And if you make over $10 million a year and don't want to pay that in taxes, everything over $10 million, give it to charity.
Problem solves itself.
jordan holmes
Well, and not just that, but if you are de-incentivized to get a billion dollars instead of $10 million, that opens up more space in the market for somebody else to try and get some of that.
$10 million.
Right.
unidentified
Or...
jordan holmes
If Apple or if Google is like a $70 billion company or whatever and they only got to keep $10 million, all of a sudden we have so many...
The company doesn't get to keep $10 million.
unidentified
I know.
jordan holmes
I mean the people.
Right.
But they don't want to grow as big.
Or they do, and they would want to pay their fucking employees!
dan friesen
Exactly.
It would incentivize taking care of everybody a little bit more, because then if you're so against paying taxes, you can get around that in operating costs by paying people a reasonable amount of money.
jordan holmes
Absolutely.
dan friesen
So anyway, I fully support aggressive taxes.
jordan holmes
You're a lizard man.
dan friesen
I've been possessed by the Archons, or the Dark Carnival.
One of the two.
Whoop whoop to my homies.
unidentified
Alright.
dan friesen
Anyway.
jordan holmes
This is why we should never have given you a webcam.
dan friesen
So, in our estimation, David Icke is maybe trying to express some reasonable things, but in a crazy way.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And we're not the only people who think David Icke is crazy.
Here's what Alex says to him.
This is bizarre for him to be saying that I like it.
alex jones
I remember...
First reading one of your books, like, 18 years ago, I think it was your first book, and my cousin, Buckley Hammond, said, you've got to read this.
This guy knows what's going on.
My cousin is just really, really intelligent.
And I read it, and I said, well, some of this is true, but this guy's a lunatic.
And, you know, I said a few things like that 17 years ago on the air, and I've apologized.
It doesn't mean I totally, none of us are out about everything, but I know that you're really on to something.
Because I'm hearing about all this occultism and all this stuff.
I mean, when I snuck into Bohemian Grove 12 years ago, I was still so naive.
I thought when Channel 4 paid me to sneak in, because they were too scared to do it, because I'd snuck into some military bases, so they thought, well, you'll sneak into this.
And I thought it was all made up.
I didn't think elites were really devil-worshipping.
Really, 12 years ago, David, I didn't even know that.
dan friesen
So that flies in the face of how he presented everything back then and the entire documentary.
He goes in expecting to find proof that they're worshipping the devil, so that's a lie.
But he accidentally let slip...
jordan holmes
Perhaps even planning to find proof.
dan friesen
Right, and as John Ronson has said, that is basically what he did.
He was thrilled to misrepresent the things that he found in order to prove his thesis of devil worshipping.
But the other thing, he let slip that some TV station paid him to sneak in.
I don't think I've ever heard him mention that.
jordan holmes
No, are you sure that...
Man, that sounds like a lie, though, right?
dan friesen
It's hard to say.
With him, it's always either a lie or an accident.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
I think it's true.
Because the lie wouldn't be someone else paid me to do it.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's true.
dan friesen
That takes away from the credibility of the documentary.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's true.
dan friesen
He now, at this point, has a financial incentive to make it more bullshit.
jordan holmes
But was it broadcast by any TV station?
dan friesen
No, I don't think...
No, but the people who were along with him were from Channel...
There were a couple people from Channel 4, I believe.
jordan holmes
That's true, that's true.
dan friesen
So they broadcast their own thing.
unidentified
Uh-huh.
dan friesen
And maybe use some of his footage.
But his documentary wasn't broadcast on TV or anything.
jordan holmes
Gotcha.
dan friesen
So, I don't know.
That's weird.
It's suspicious.
Right?
Pretty suspicious?
unidentified
Nah.
dan friesen
Not at all.
This next clip is even more suspicious.
So we've documented in 2015 and 2017 some incredibly pro-Russia positions on Alex's part.
He may or may not have had interaction with Russian intelligence.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
He consistently thinks Putin is the last thing standing between us and the Antichrist.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
And here is one of his comments on Russian propaganda back in 2012.
jordan holmes
Love it.
alex jones
I linked to Dr. Paul Craig Roberts' article about how he went on RT.
And RT was funded by hundreds of millions of dollars of Russian government money.
And, you know, I've gone on Iranian TV, British TV, French TV, Japanese TV many times, Brazilian TV.
I mean, if it's Skype and easy or satellite and quick, I'll do it.
I'm so busy nowadays, I don't even really go on U.S. television when they call me.
dan friesen
Or they stop calling.
alex jones
Just because half the time they cancel you by the time you get there and you get to talk for two minutes, I mean, it's pretty much pointless.
jordan holmes
I'm going to take my ball and go home.
alex jones
But RT, you know, has interviewed me many times.
You do little five, ten minute interviews, but I could actually just say whatever I wanted to because I was told by multiple people that worked there that the director of RT America, I haven't checked if they've changed who it is, I would suspect they had, was anti-New World Order.
I was a listener, and you saw the libertarians and constitutionalists on there.
It was wild.
dan friesen
Yep.
So, in the beginning of that clip, he admits that RT was founded with millions of dollars of Russian money, and is a Russian state media outlet.
jordan holmes
Now, that's not necessarily...
You know, like, the BBC takes public funds as well.
dan friesen
So does, like, uh...
Some of our Voice of America and what have you.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it is definitely okay for a government to invest in a media outlet.
Like, that's fine.
dan friesen
Now, the way they do it is important.
jordan holmes
Nah, I don't think so.
dan friesen
Or how they, yeah.
jordan holmes
I definitely think that there's no financial incentive or...
Violent incentive to support everything the Russian government says.
That sounds crazy.
dan friesen
And so Alex, even admitting that he understands that it's state media, still is like...
jordan holmes
They let me say whatever I want to say.
dan friesen
And they told me that the head is a listener.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And that I'm right on.
jordan holmes
I feel like you could go on the show and if you started with, Alex, I love your show.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
You could then say, everything that you say is a lie.
And he'd be like, you know what?
You might have a point there.
If you love me, I love you.
dan friesen
I think I could tweet at him and be like, we're big fans, can we get a retweet?
And he might retweet it.
jordan holmes
That'd be hilarious.
dan friesen
I'm not sure, because I don't know how active he is on Twitter.
So he gets into...
jordan holmes
That's why you gotta tweet at Buckley.
He's so lonely.
dan friesen
Buckley gets it, though.
He was early on the David Icke train.
So in this next clip, Alex Jones...
jordan holmes
If even Alex says...
Oh, this guy's a lunatic.
Maybe take your own advice, Alex.
dan friesen
Alex was a little smarter back then, apparently.
So, in this next clip, Alex Jones has some thoughts about the NRA, which are kind of interesting.
jordan holmes
He's against them.
alex jones
The NRA, to a great extent, is a loyal opposition.
It was created by the federal government, as I know you know.
You know that, right?
Post-Civil War.
So, yes, we're in deep trouble.
unidentified
So...
jordan holmes
Not true.
dan friesen
That is what Alex Jones says on December 21st, 2012.
jordan holmes
Not true.
It's not true.
dan friesen
But let's go to what he said on June 19th, 2015.
alex jones
Stuff's getting weird.
Thanks for joining us on this Friday edition.
Alex Jones here live.
I'll be live this Sunday, 4 to 6 p.m. Central.
You're watching us on TV.
I have two HD firearms.
Two head-down firearms.
Both 5.56 in front of me.
dan friesen
This is a plug.
alex jones
To just illustrate, these guns aren't going to shoot anybody.
These rifles, these weapons, aren't going to attack anybody by themselves.
And I know that's an idiotically obvious thing to say, but look at the logic of the people demonizing gun owners.
They're now saying gun ownership is racist.
unidentified
Yep.
alex jones
No, disarming black people in the South at the end of the Civil War.
That was racist.
The first gun laws were racist.
Saying the NRA was a racist organization is, again, upside down.
It's a total fraud.
I'm not even going to get into the NRA's history.
But everybody who's informed knows it was founded to arm blacks to fight the Ku Klux Klan.
Again.
And the party of the Ku Klux Klan, the Democrats, won our guns.
dan friesen
So, Alex Jones just makes shit up whenever he wants in order to...
Those are contradictory.
Unless, I guess you could say, that the NRA was created by the federal government in order to arm black people to fight the KKK.
All of it's not true.
jordan holmes
Even though the federal government at the same time was passing racist gun laws to keep guns away from black people.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
So the government is founding the NRA and keeping black people from getting guns.
dan friesen
The magical part about it is it's all lies.
Like, all of it isn't true.
The history of the NRA is none of those things.
jordan holmes
And we've covered the history of the NRA.
unidentified
Yeah, we did.
dan friesen
We can find that in a past episode.
But I just wanted to play that clip again to illustrate, like, he's just, he's never not making stuff up.
It's just...
Anyway.
jordan holmes
Whatever fits within his narrative at any given point in time.
dan friesen
The narrative du jour.
jordan holmes
Yeah, he will just, like, he does, though, make it so his points are so malleable.
That he can turn it into whatever he wants at any given point in time.
dan friesen
Well, that's just called plausible deniability.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
That's not impressive.
jordan holmes
And once again, every time somebody or a Republican goes, you know, Democrats are the party of the KKK, go fuck yourself.
Read an actual fucking history book.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
Please.
Just do it.
dan friesen
Learn about how parties have changed over time.
jordan holmes
Immediately follow...
Well, the Whigs are actually...
Fuck you!
dan friesen
Come on.
jordan holmes
Lincoln wasn't a Republican.
Fuck yourself.
dan friesen
Or, if anybody nowadays tells you that they're a classical liberal, run.
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
dan friesen
Run.
Fuck off.
Because they are a liar and a libertarian.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
And that means you've got to get out of there.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
So we've got one more clip.
jordan holmes
I mean, even Trump isn't a Republican.
He's a member of the Know-Nothing Party.
dan friesen
He's a classical liberal.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Classical liberal.
Fucking...
Piece of shit.
dan friesen
Also, I should point this out.
Over last week, or whenever this airs, it will have been last week, Alex Jones...
jordan holmes
Oh, another school was shot up, too.
dan friesen
Oh, yeah, that too.
Alex Jones has come out and said that he might support The Rock against Trump.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I'm a big fan of that.
dan friesen
That's trolling.
jordan holmes
I think we can get together on that one.
dan friesen
That's trolling.
Don't believe him.
jordan holmes
No, it's not trolling.
dan friesen
Yeah, he's fucking around.
unidentified
What?
jordan holmes
Alex?
No.
dan friesen
Don't take that seriously.
He's trying to get headlines.
So, in our last clip...
jordan holmes
See what I'm saying about school shootings?
We just toss it off now.
dan friesen
We just did.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I know.
dan friesen
Terrible.
jordan holmes
It's horrific, but it's like you barely even saw it on the news.
It's just like, oh, it's another school shooting.
Nobody's going to do anything about it.
We're just going to watch more kids die every fucking time.
dan friesen
Alex's argument would be that that means it was a real shooting and not a false flag because it didn't get a lot of press.
Because the real ones you don't talk about.
You don't want to give attention to.
Right, right.
I don't want to go down that line because I think it's stupid.
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
And I want to play this last clip.
It's a delight and it's one of those every now and again we get to do an episode where the parting shot, like the last clip, is perfect and this is perfect.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
This is great.
This is Alex being a dumb, dumb Alex man.
He's finished his interview with David Icke.
He's gone.
They've talked a lot about Archons and all that shit.
Naturally.
unidentified
And here's...
jordan holmes
We're all Arconic at this point.
dan friesen
Here is how he tries to end the broadcast.
alex jones
We live in a world of wonderment and just incredible opportunity.
And the only reason evil is in charge is because good men and women do nothing.
dan friesen
Fair.
alex jones
And I know you know that, but I would encourage everybody to take this opportunity.
This Christmas that we have right now, time with our families, even if it is a globalist holiday now, we can make it into something good to give the gift of truth, whether it's a copy of one of my films or an InfoWars magazine subscription that also supports our broadcast.
unidentified
We're at InfoWarsNews.com.
alex jones
Membership.
You can get 10 of them for $5.95 a month and then give them as gifts with one username and passcode.
All your Christmas shopping done right there.
You're not battling the crazy crowds and all the car wrecks at PrisonPlanet.tv.
Put a card and give it to somebody and say, hey, check out this documentary nightly news alternative media system and wake them up.
dan friesen
Wake them up.
jordan holmes
Do it.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So, that's great, though.
jordan holmes
This Christmas, even though it's been taken over by the globalists, make sure you celebrate it in a capitalist way by buying and giving my products away.
dan friesen
Granted, it's capitalism, but it'll wake them up.
It's the truth.
alex jones
It's the truth.
dan friesen
Alternative media system.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Ugh.
But isn't that...
jordan holmes
That, to me, is perfect.
That's such an encapsulation of what Alex Jones is.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Like, it has everything in there.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
Like, it has the fear...
Like, car wrecks.
You know car wrecks.
dan friesen
Every time I go to the store, car wrecks.
jordan holmes
Cars are just littering our streets.
dan friesen
My streets are lousy with cars.
jordan holmes
Oh, ridiculous.
Then we've got the Christmas, and it's been taken over.
It's a Christian holiday.
It's been taken over by the developers.
dan friesen
There's a war on Christmas.
jordan holmes
Oh, absolutely.
And then at the same time, he very much...
In the complete opposite direction just goes, and we should celebrate it the way the globalists have told us to.
dan friesen
By buying shit.
jordan holmes
By buying shit.
dan friesen
But from me.
jordan holmes
Yeah, exactly.
dan friesen
From me, because eventually I will take down the globalists.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
And then Christmas will be happy forever.
dan friesen
Right.
And then all the who's in Whoville.
jordan holmes
And again, there's no way he would want to take down the globalists because then nobody would buy his shit.
dan friesen
Right.
I don't think he has a place in the world after the globalists.
unidentified
No!
dan friesen
But that's why he does the things that he does.
jordan holmes
We create our own enemies.
That's really what it is.
dan friesen
Yeah, exactly.
We haven't.
jordan holmes
We picked a real one, unfortunately.
dan friesen
Right, right.
We're just trying to get through what is real and what is fake about him.
Yeah.
The real person.
But yeah, that's what he did on December 21st, 2012.
I do respect and admire that at least he wasn't getting into the Nabooru is right behind the sun, and that's why you can't see it.
It's about to come and fuck our shit up.
unidentified
That's how it works.
dan friesen
I respect that he...
jordan holmes
It's right behind the sun is a great...
dan friesen
That's what a lot of people said.
jordan holmes
It's right behind it.
dan friesen
It's like, why...
jordan holmes
The earth isn't moving at all.
It's not going around.
It's right behind the sun.
dan friesen
That's what a lot of arguments were for, like, why you couldn't see it.
It's like, oh, it's being hidden by the sun.
So if you stare up, if you have a telescope, and you look up, the sun will be too bright for you to see the bright Nabooru.
Right there, coming for us.
jordan holmes
Sounds about right.
dan friesen
So at least Alex wasn't on that tip.
But, I mean, first of all, David Icke is wacky.
And allowing him to just, like, throw all this shit around about Archons on and just be like, yep, you're great.
I used to think you're crazy, but now you're great.
That's irresponsible.
jordan holmes
How many of these people do you think...
dan friesen
Secret Service wasn't there.
jordan holmes
They're outside.
dan friesen
But I want to bring this to current day.
Because last week, on the Wednesday episode, I believe, he had a guy on who was pitching September 23rd, 2017 Doomsday Conspiracies.
jordan holmes
Good.
dan friesen
So, he's learned his lesson about Y2K.
jordan holmes
Is he just going to replay the December 21st, 2012 episode on that day?
unidentified
Maybe.
jordan holmes
Just like, well, we already got this one covered.
Let's just redo that.
dan friesen
Guys, I'm taking the day off.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
I don't know.
I mean, he's learned the lesson of Y2K, which is I can never do that again.
People made fun of me hard.
He can't do that, but what he can do is give it, you know, like, hey, everyone wants to be scared, so let's give them, like, a little bit of a different fear.
Let's talk about demonic entities possessing the elites or something like that.
jordan holmes
Makes sense.
dan friesen
And then now in 2017, the version that he's doing is, all right.
I do want to do the Y2K stuff again, but I can't do it.
jordan holmes
It was so good.
dan friesen
I have to let my guests do it and then make clear that I don't know if I believe them or not.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
I have to play the fence and let my guests be crazy.
And that's kind of what he's doing now.
jordan holmes
Even though he's still going to at some point be like, no, you're absolutely right.
dan friesen
Well, I mean, this September 23rd, 2017 thing is...
jordan holmes
What is the doomsday theory on that?
dan friesen
It's too complicated.
I've been over it on the show a bunch.
I'll tell you after the show.
unidentified
Okay.
dan friesen
But it's a replay also of September 23rd, 2015.
They did this back then.
And we've heard Alex talking about that in our investigation.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
It's the Blood Moon stuff.
unidentified
Oh, God.
dan friesen
It's the Jewish calendar in Blood Moon.
jordan holmes
Oh, for fuck's sake.
dan friesen
But now it's two years delayed because I guess...
King Herod needed to kill all the two-year-olds, everybody under two years old in the Bible.
jordan holmes
Oh, so we got some wiggle room.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
Gotcha, gotcha.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Or maybe we didn't get the date perfect.
There's always a loophole there.
dan friesen
Or we're making shit up.
jordan holmes
The calendar wasn't built until like 400 AD or whatever the fuck you want to call it.
dan friesen
Or we're making shit up to get YouTube hits, which is more likely what's going on.
So something that doesn't get many YouTube hits is us.
jordan holmes
How many...
No, I'm not going to let you do this bit.
dan friesen
It was a good transition.
jordan holmes
Until you do it in a British accent, this show goes on.
This show goes on.
dan friesen
Hey, Goughnut, we got a website now.
jordan holmes
How many of these people do you think if we just had a psychiatrist in time?
dan friesen
A time-traveling psychiatrist?
jordan holmes
Well, alright.
Again, next movie.
dan friesen
This is going to be great.
The Avalanches could do the theme song.
jordan holmes
That would be fantastic.
dan friesen
Frontier psychiatrist.
jordan holmes
Absolutely.
That boy needs therapy.
Psychosomatic.
No, it's like with David Icke.
That moment that he describes is very clearly like...
dan friesen
You're talking about on the mountain with the arms.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah.
You have obsessive-compulsive disorder.
dan friesen
Or a break.
You have a psychotic break.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
Or with Alex Jones.
If you had gotten to him immediately after all of his many brain damage situations...
dan friesen
After he was under that house.
jordan holmes
Or after he...
Once he started getting those...
Schizophrenic images in his head.
Imagine if you had an antipsychotic in him.
Like, how normal would he be?
Like, all of these people...
dan friesen
My man, I don't think he'd ever be normal.
jordan holmes
No, I'm just...
And God bless him for it.
dan friesen
We don't want normal.
jordan holmes
This is a postulation.
Okay.
But all of these people...
Or fucking go back in time, and how many of those religious figures...
Is it just like, oh, well, if you had some epileptic medication...
We wouldn't have Christianity.
Like, that kind of shit.
dan friesen
Well, I mean, sure.
But if shamans didn't take substances, they wouldn't have cool religious traditions in native cultures and shit.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's true.
But those are more fun because they're getting high.
Right.
Instead of just being crazy.
dan friesen
Alex is getting high.
jordan holmes
That's true.
Just once a year during a blood moon.
dan friesen
Well, and during every show with Brain Force and Super Male Vitality.
That's true.
jordan holmes
Yeah, transition out of that asshole.
dan friesen
I don't know.
I don't know if having a psychiatrist would help, because I think in a lot of the instances you described, the damage is already done.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And they would be incredibly resistant to any kind of help.
jordan holmes
But that's the point of it, is that all of these people also hate psychiatrists.
That's true.
Like the Scientologists and all of that shit.
dan friesen
If you got David Icke, after he came down from that mountain doing the Christ pose, and you tried to tell him he was crazy, he would be like, you're another person telling me I'm crazy, and I know...
That I'm not, because that voice talking to me on the mountain told me I'm not.
jordan holmes
Well, that's why you just hide in the bushes.
dan friesen
No.
jordan holmes
And you're acting as a different voice, like, David, don't listen to that guy.
He's a dick.
Just try and pull it off.
dan friesen
That mountain voice is trolling you.
I don't think it would work.
jordan holmes
You'd start a flame war with God?
dan friesen
I don't think it would work.
Something that does work is our website.
jordan holmes
Oh, goddamn, a great transition, you son of a bitch.
dan friesen
Check us out over at knowledgefight.com.
jordan holmes
You can follow us on Twitter, at knowledge underscore fight.
dan friesen
Correct.
We're also on Facebook.
jordan holmes
Absolutely.
And if you're watching this, you can tell that we are on twitch.tv slash knowledgefight.
dan friesen
Yep, we are there most weekdays at 8 p.m., and we'll do some weekend broadcasts as is available with our schedules.
But we definitely appreciate everyone getting on board with it.
This is super fun.
We're going to figure out exactly...
What we're going to do with releasing these as podcasts and as the broadcast.
But, I mean, it's only been a week.
We haven't quite figured out what would be too much, what is appropriate.
So thanks for bearing with us while we figure that out.
But a number of our episodes are available on iTunes.
You can check us out there.
jordan holmes
Dan just knocked over Febreze.
dan friesen
I did.
It was wrapped up in my mic cord.
jordan holmes
I am very easily startled.
dan friesen
You were scared.
jordan holmes
It didn't even make a noise.
I just saw it go down and I'm like, fuck!
dan friesen
Febreze fell and Jordan got shook.
jordan holmes
Every time.
Every time a Febreze falls, my room gets smellier.
dan friesen
You can check us out on iTunes.
Just Knowledge Fight over there.
jordan holmes
Yeah, absolutely.
dan friesen
And that's about it.
Thank you all for listening.
Thanks to everyone who donates.
It helps a lot.
jordan holmes
Let's see.
dan friesen
John Rappaport thinks that the guy from Batman got murdered.
Did you hear that earlier in the show?
jordan holmes
Yeah.
That's the laziest version of this bit we've ever done.
Go fuck yourself, John Rappaport!
alex jones
Andy in Kansas, you're on the air.
Thanks for holding.
unidentified
Hello, Alex.
jordan holmes
I'm a first-time caller.
unidentified
I'm a huge fan.
I love your work.
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