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Sept. 11, 2017 - Knowledge Fight
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#82: Oct. 27-Nov. 9, 2015

Today, Dan tells Jordan about the effective end of his investigation into what happened in 2015 to convince Alex Jones to join up with the Trump presidential campaign. Topics covered include: Alex admits on air that he has been in contact with Russian intelligence Roger Stone finally shows up on the show and plays Alex like a fiddle A lot of other stuff, but those two are overwhelming

Participants
Main voices
a
alex jones
32:39
d
dan friesen
01:30:47
j
jordan holmes
49:58
Appearances
r
roger stone
03:55
Clips
g
george noory
00:47
t
ted cruz
00:35
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Speaker Time Text
alex jones
Andy in Kansas, you're on the air.
Thanks for holding.
unidentified
Hello, Alex.
I'm a first-time caller.
I'm a huge fan.
I love your work.
alex jones
I love you.
dan friesen
Hey, everybody.
Welcome back to Knowledge Fight.
I'm Dan.
unidentified
I'm Jordan.
dan friesen
We're a couple dudes.
I like to sit around, drink novelty beverages, and talk a little bit about Alex Jones.
jordan holmes
That is what we do.
dan friesen
It is.
jordan holmes
Is there a...
Let me ask you a question.
dan friesen
I love Q&A sessions.
jordan holmes
Okay.
Dan.
dan friesen
Yes.
jordan holmes
If you were a bird, what type of bird would you be?
dan friesen
I'd probably be like Nelly Furtado.
She's like a bird.
She'll only fly away.
jordan holmes
I don't think Nelly Furtado is a bird, though.
dan friesen
She's similar to one.
jordan holmes
All right.
Let's try the bit.
You would be a bird that knows a lot about Alex Jones.
dan friesen
Toucan Sam, I follow my nose.
To propaganda truths.
jordan holmes
And I would be like the extinct dodo.
That's what I would be like.
dan friesen
You don't know anything about Alex Jones.
jordan holmes
I don't know anything about Alex Jones.
dan friesen
Jordan, today we are going to be going over a thrilling No, I don't think we're done done.
Let's say.
But I think all of the questions that I started this investigation with are officially answered.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
I don't have any more questions about why Alex Jones joined Team Trump.
jordan holmes
Putin.
dan friesen
Yep.
alex jones
Yep.
dan friesen
Big part of it.
Vladimir Putin.
jordan holmes
Wow.
dan friesen
For those of you who have not been following along to the last 17 installments...
jordan holmes
Yeah, what we thought was going to be maybe two episodes.
dan friesen
I thought five.
Where we last left off, Alex Jones was in full support of Putin and Russia mode.
jordan holmes
Still not all the way in support of Russia.
dan friesen
Quite, though.
jordan holmes
I mean, no, no, no.
I meant Trump, not Russia.
dan friesen
No, he has not made any real evolution in the past...
Three or four months in 2015 in terms of saying that he likes what he says, but he doesn't trust him.
He doesn't think he can trust him because he's supported Hillary in the past, X, Y, and Z. He's supported the mob connections thing.
He's supported assault weapons bans in the past.
jordan holmes
Can't have that.
Guns.
dan friesen
There are all these things.
Alex Jones fully supports Vladimir Putin and Russia and all of their actions in the world, is clearly swayed by Russian propaganda, and has not yet supported Donald Trump.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
So, also where we last left off, David Knight was hosting for about a week.
jordan holmes
So really the question is like, when does RT start supporting Trump?
dan friesen
That is the question.
jordan holmes
That's pretty much it.
dan friesen
And I actually know the answer to that, and we have not gotten there yet.
Okay.
It's pretty clear.
jordan holmes
The moment that happens, all of a sudden Alex does?
dan friesen
No.
Spoiler alert.
Alex is a little bit ahead of Russian state media as it relates to supporting Donald Trump.
But I don't want to tip my cards too hard.
jordan holmes
All right.
dan friesen
Because our investigation today will be covering the dates of October 27th, 2015 to November 9th.
2017.
Or 2015.
It's not two years.
That would be too much.
jordan holmes
That's a long investigation.
dan friesen
And it would involve the future.
But, before we get into our investigation today in earnest, I'd like to give a shout-out to a couple new policy wonks.
unidentified
Oh, shit!
dan friesen
What's going on out there, Doug?
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
dan friesen
Thank you so much for joining up with the team.
jordan holmes
Thanks, Doug.
dan friesen
Also, I'd like to give a shout-out to Maria.
What's going on out there?
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
dan friesen
Congratulations to you both on becoming policy wonks.
jordan holmes
Very much.
dan friesen
Very exciting stuff.
If you would like to become a policy wonk, you may do so by going to our website, knowledgefight.com, clicking the support the show button, and you'll be a policy wonk.
Also.
unidentified
So.
Yeah.
*laughs*
jordan holmes
You actually don't have to donate.
You just click the button and it takes a random amount of money away from you.
Just like the pants.
You just order them and then whatever shows up, shows up.
dan friesen
And we have a Patriot anthem that we've written about our support the show button.
jordan holmes
I hate it when jobs go south.
dan friesen
I'm looking for a button.
It won't screw over my family.
jordan holmes
Knowledge fight buttons guaranteed to not screw over your family.
dan friesen
That's not going to make sense to anyone who hasn't listened to a bunch of this show.
So also I need to make this announcement.
We've been flirting and teasing around the idea of that there's something big coming.
Here's what it is.
We are now going to be broadcasting live every night at 8 p.m. Central.
Not every night.
Not the weekends.
Monday through Thursday at least.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
We will be broadcasting from 8 till question mark.
Live on the internet.
Video.
Audio, all of it.
You can find our feed at twitch.tv slash knowledgefight.
We are going to be going over current day Alex Jones, keeping up with what bullshit he's spilling every day.
We're going to try and make this knowledge fight more robust, take it into the info at war arena.
unidentified
Jordan, you're staring at me weirdly.
jordan holmes
What am I supposed to say?
You're very excited.
dan friesen
So excited.
jordan holmes
You're very excited.
It's frightening.
dan friesen
For years and years, I've wanted to do, first of all, a live thing.
I've wanted to do a radio show.
And eventually, we'll work in the ability to take calls and stuff like that.
But this possibility that we can get it into that sort of thing, as opposed to us sitting around for three hours and then releasing it the next day or whatever, it really excites me.
jordan holmes
And it's almost like we have to do it.
Because, like...
With the 2015 investigation, you know, fine.
We release it two days later, and yeah, it's still the past.
But when we do a present-day episode, you release it the next day, and you're like, well, all of that stuff means nothing anymore.
dan friesen
Alex has jumped to a whole other narrative.
jordan holmes
Yeah, exactly.
dan friesen
Or there's another hurricane coming.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it's a lot like how the New York Times and the Washington Post are like, Trump is great now.
Yeah, he's a fucking lunatic.
dan friesen
Trump is an independent.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I mean, he's still a Nazi, but he's an independent Nazi.
dan friesen
But that's also another one of the reasons why I feel very compelled to do this now, because I think we're about to enter a really interesting period that we'll test.
Alex Jones' commitment to Donald Trump because of the debt ceiling situation and people saying that Trump is a true independent, he's working with the Democrats.
jordan holmes
I fucking hate people.
I hate these people.
Our media is fucking worthless.
dan friesen
It's nonsense.
jordan holmes
They're worthless.
The mind-boggling thing is that, like, I kind of get it because it's like, dude.
We have a Nazi in the White House.
We can't just every day be like, guys, Nazi.
Guys, Nazi.
He's a Nazi.
Guys, Nazi.
Are you paying attention?
He's a Nazi!
dan friesen
Focus.
jordan holmes
So they're just trying to get a different narrative.
They're just bored.
dan friesen
And much like we end up being a lot of the time with Alex.
jordan holmes
Yeah, exactly.
dan friesen
That's why we talk about Project Camelot sometimes.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right.
dan friesen
Which I wish the media would just do.
jordan holmes
Rather than pretending that Alex is fine today.
dan friesen
Right, right.
jordan holmes
Alex supports weed legalization.
So, Alex is a true independent now.
He's definitely not a white supremacist.
He's working with the Democrats.
Fuck you, Washington Post.
New York Times, I expect this bullshit from you.
You guys are garbage.
Washington Post, you're supposed to be better than this.
Theoretically.
dan friesen
We hoped for more.
So, that's all to say that we will be live at twitch.tv.
Jordan will be joining me on tonight's show.
When you're listening to this, it'll be Monday.
We'll be live at 8 p.m. Central Time.
But because of your work schedule with the comedy...
jordan holmes
That's 9 Eastern.
dan friesen
Right.
I think people can figure that out.
jordan holmes
It is 7 Mountain Time.
It is 6 o 'clock Pacific Time.
dan friesen
You're very much underestimating our audience.
jordan holmes
It is 5 o 'clock the middle of the Pacific Ocean Time.
dan friesen
What time is it in Bucharest?
jordan holmes
It is...
unidentified
You don't know!
jordan holmes
It's 4. Okay.
4 p.m. or 4 a.m., whichever you prefer.
dan friesen
It's simultaneously both.
jordan holmes
Bucharest is a...
dan friesen
Romania is a magical place.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
dan friesen
So, if you'd like to join us there, that would be wonderful.
Because of your work schedule with the stand-up comedy of this month, there will be other folks, like Matt Riggs will be coming in this week, and other folks to be determined.
TBD!
jordan holmes
TBD!
dan friesen
So I hope you'll enjoy that and come along for the ride.
jordan holmes
And then, yeah, as my schedule changes, I will be able to drop in more.
But it still won't be...
I can't be here every night, otherwise I'll go broke and die.
dan friesen
And crazy.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And as the functionality increases, we'll be able to take phone calls, we'll be able to have you call in instead of having to come all the way over here.
jordan holmes
All the way over here from where my girlfriend lives a block away.
dan friesen
But be that as it may, Jordan, let's stop fucking around and get to the investigation.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
That's what people want to hear.
They want to hear some Alex Jones.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
I don't know if they do.
jordan holmes
That would be a fun reaction to a review on iTunes.
It's like, too much Alex Jones.
Love the guys talking.
Hate it when Alex Jones talks.
dan friesen
Yeah, why does this Alex Jones show play clips of him?
So, like I said, we're starting on the 27th.
And this is coming off a good, almost week of David Knight hosting while Alex is on a vacation or meeting with people.
It's unclear.
He claims he was investigating something.
But he never says what, and it's unimportant.
The 27th, Alex Jones shows back up, and he gets on air, and it's one of the least inspired three hours of broadcasting I've ever heard in my life.
jordan holmes
He's come off vacation!
dan friesen
If you look at my notes right here, this episode sucks.
jordan holmes
That's a great note.
dan friesen
He keeps trying to get to news, but he just is like, I was walking around the mountains, and people love me.
I was on vacation, and people just kept coming up to me and saying, Alex, you're great.
jordan holmes
I was just basking in the appreciation of the common people, i.e.
unidentified
you.
dan friesen
Yeah, and so I don't have any clips of this episode because it's terrible.
And the episode ends, or at least a big part of the body of it, is an interview with a guy who's the vitamin lawyer.
jordan holmes
The vitamin lawyer.
dan friesen
Yes, and it's all about how people are trying to make Alex's supplements illegal and how they're fighting back against that.
It's a long sales pitch couched as a legal PSA.
So we skip everything in the 27th, and we move along to the 28th, which is where we will start in earnest.
Alex Jones is hot on the PC.
jordan holmes
Oh no!
People really don't like political correctness.
dan friesen
They certainly don't.
jordan holmes
It's terrible.
dan friesen
So Alex starts off the show in that headspace and he lists off a number of political correctness grievances that he has.
I want you to keep track of how many of these are real.
alex jones
There basically is no free speech now on these campuses and the young people are competing with each other.
To see who can destroy more language, who can call people out, who can dominate and control.
It's a bunch of bullies.
Ignorant bullies of every race, color, and creed who have joined this political correctness cult.
And now it's going into overdrive.
You're not going to dress as Caitlyn Jenner.
Well, that's it.
I am.
You are not going to use brown paper bags.
Yes, I am.
You are not going to use the word mother or father.
Yes, I am.
You are not going to defend yourself.
Yes, I am.
You are not going to criticize Obamacare.
We'll call you racist.
Well, you know what?
Go ahead.
I don't care.
dan friesen
None of those are real.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
None of those are real things.
jordan holmes
When you hear people on campuses are competing to see who can destroy more of the language, what do you see?
dan friesen
I remember when I was in college, I destroyed gerunds.
No one was able to use any ing verbs.
jordan holmes
That's a good call.
dan friesen
Yeah.
I'm jumping.
alex jones
No, you're not!
jordan holmes
I'll be goddamned!
You say I jump!
dan friesen
I have jumped!
jordan holmes
Use the passive voice!
How dare you use active!
dan friesen
I am in the process of a jump.
Make it a noun, goddammit!
That's what I did in college, you know, but I mean, maybe...
I don't know.
I was pretty successful at it, I'll say.
jordan holmes
I was a big fan of...
Applying all Scrabble rules.
Like, you can't use any proper nouns whatsoever.
I don't want anybody to know what they are talking about at any given point in time.
dan friesen
No capitalizations in the middle of sentences, you sons of bitches.
jordan holmes
How dare you?
dan friesen
Yeah.
This is stupid.
But I do...
I meant Alex.
jordan holmes
Excellent summary.
dan friesen
I do love, though, how he starts out.
jordan holmes
I see a debate team, like a debate competition where you got three people on either side.
One of them walks up to a podium and is like...
Here is why we shouldn't use the word mother.
Because it's dumb.
Next.
dan friesen
Ooh, counterpoint.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
What do you got?
dan friesen
Mothers are...
He's totally right!
So I love, though...
jordan holmes
I don't think we should use the word mother, and I will raise you.
We shouldn't use the word mom, either.
dan friesen
Or boy and girl.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Oh, no.
Absolutely not.
dan friesen
But I love how it starts out.
jordan holmes
You can't still use the plural, though.
Boys and girls.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Moms?
Totally fine.
dan friesen
I am so fascinated by this idea.
It's like, you're telling me you can't dress like Caitlyn Jenner?
I'm gonna.
jordan holmes
Yeah, why?
unidentified
I don't know.
jordan holmes
Wait.
dan friesen
I don't think he does.
jordan holmes
So, like, in a dress?
dan friesen
Yeah, yeah.
I think he's like, I can't, people are saying that you can't mock trans people through costuming.
And he's like, I will.
Because we're right around Halloween at this point.
jordan holmes
Oh, okay.
dan friesen
That's why that was one of his examples.
And I cut out a ton of it, but he's on a real tear about misunderstanding why ethnic or minority group costumes are inappropriate.
He's like, I like taco parties.
Why can't I have a taco party?
I like fajitas.
jordan holmes
Al Jolson was a great entertainer.
dan friesen
It's more or less that.
He's saying I can't dress up like something.
It's like, no, just don't turn a group into a costume.
jordan holmes
Are you saying I can't criticize Obamacare, otherwise I'm racist?
No, we're not saying that.
We're saying you're racist, and also you are criticizing Obamacare.
dan friesen
Totally separate things.
jordan holmes
Very different situation.
Those are not related at all.
dan friesen
Also, no one has ever said you can't use a brown bag.
They're just saying that the, you know, it was just a guy in Seattle who made a memo about the terminology brown bag has a racially charged history, and that's true.
You can still use brown bags if you want.
unidentified
Go ahead.
dan friesen
No one gives a shit.
jordan holmes
It's not...
The brown bags themselves that are the problem, Alex.
unidentified
No, no.
jordan holmes
You can't be angry at a bag.
unidentified
No.
dan friesen
We can't spend this much time on one clip.
We got so much to get through.
jordan holmes
Okay, I'm sorry.
dan friesen
I mean, look.
jordan holmes
Are you telling me I can't defend myself?
I will.
dan friesen
I'm shutting down your language.
jordan holmes
Are you telling me?
Let me tell you something.
Now it's a competition.
dan friesen
Oh, no.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
This was the wrong approach.
Hey, Jordan, why don't you vamp more?
jordan holmes
I'll see you in hell before I vamp.
dan friesen
Next clip!
So, in this next clip, Alex Jones has found out that the Southern Poverty Law Center has put out a new article, and he has some thoughts about it.
alex jones
They have a new giant article I'm going to cover in the next segment, Al.
jordan holmes
Doubt it.
alex jones
From the Southern Poverty Law Center demonizing the conspiracy myths and bemoaning how dangerous they are and how they're taking over.
Why?
The imaginary situation of Agenda 21. It's called margins to the mainstream.
The imaginary paradigm.
That there is an Agenda 21 to restrict resources.
dan friesen
So the Southern Poverty Law Center put out a long article debunking a ton of Alex Jones' narratives, but not specifically targeted at Alex Jones.
These are these right-wing narratives that are getting pushed.
Here is the truth about them.
And Alex is furious about it.
jordan holmes
Of course.
unidentified
Of course.
dan friesen
He already hates the SPLC, and now it's just like, fucking fuck you guys.
jordan holmes
I love the conservative hate towards the SPLC, because it's always like, hey!
Fuck you!
And they're like, we support poor people and free speech, and they're like, the fuck you do, PC police?
And they're like, no, just like the ACLU, we're very much- Oh, fuck them, too!
Fuck the ACLU!
Like, no, the ACLU is great, and they do a lot of good work, and they represent a lot of people who- Creeping communism!
I'll see you in hell!
dan friesen
Yeah.
I mean, we don't need to get too much more in-depth about that.
It's just, you know, he's starting to see people pay attention to the narratives that he- Because it is nonsense, and so is he.
jordan holmes
And he's aware of it.
dan friesen
And the more people pay attention to him, I wish we were doing this show back then, because I think that we could have pointed out much closer to real time how much he is just supporting Russia.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
And I don't think people did a good job of expressing that back then.
jordan holmes
I don't think people were...
You were telling me this earlier, which is like, if it was something where it was much more prevalent on one broadcast, people would be more likely to pay attention to it.
But because it's kind of just a small part of every broadcast, it's easy to kind of...
Skip over it.
And he says so many other crazy things, you're like, what the fuck is he talking about?
dan friesen
Sure.
And because a lot of the things that he's praising Putin for are really adjacent to things that he, I mean, he does believe.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Theoretically.
dan friesen
He just thinks that he's influencing Russia.
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
That's the Marx belief.
You know, when you're getting tricked, that's how you rationalize you're being duped.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
You think like, oh, no, I'm winning this three-card Monty game.
I won the first two rounds.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
I'm fucking fleecing this guy.
And then you turn around and he disappears.
jordan holmes
It's too easy.
It's too easy.
dan friesen
That's exactly what's going on to Alex.
And it's so fucking clear.
Right.
I can't wait.
There's a couple clips that I have that I'm going to play that are fucking damning in this episode.
Okay.
unidentified
But before we get to them.
dan friesen
Yes.
unidentified
Here is a mic down clip out of the gate.
dan friesen
Okay.
unidentified
Because this clip is fucked up.
jordan holmes
All right.
dan friesen
This is Alex.
I'll explain why I think a piece of it is funny, but the rest of it is not funny at all, and it's Alex proving he's kind of a dick, and...
The story he tells might not be true, also.
That's possible.
But if the story is true, he is a fucking dick, and he needs to mind his own goddamn business.
jordan holmes
Oh, no!
alex jones
Every few days, I hear some parent...
I was at the gym yesterday, and I heard...
somebody talking, going, oh, it's terrible, oh my gosh.
And then the lady's friend said, what happened?
Oh, such and such is...
Baby just died.
It was just a year old.
It died.
Yeah, she's written a letter to everybody about it.
unidentified
It died of SIDS.
alex jones
And I couldn't help it.
I said, you know, they're not supposed to really die for a few months.
And I said, that didn't exist until the 80s.
They used to take people's kids.
They used to take people's other children when they had a sudden infant death.
They'd claim it was shaken baby.
Remember that?
They'd go, yeah.
You don't hear about that anymore.
First, I get them to admit to something that they know.
I go, yeah, you ought to ask them if they went in for their second round of shots then.
Because you know SIDS is closely associated in Australian government studies and others with the sudden death.
dan friesen
It's not true.
alex jones
And one woman goes, yeah, I think I've heard about that.
I said, yeah, I don't mean to get in your business.
You're just talking about a dead baby.
You might want to look into it for yourself and warn some people.
And all the time I hear people talking about, yeah, I talked to Bob and he hadn't been to work in about a week.
Yeah, their baby's in the hospital.
And I'll say, how old's that baby?
Is it a toddler?
Yeah.
18 months?
Well, yeah, they did say that.
Well, how do you know that?
And I said, how do I know that?
I said, you better look into it.
Most autistic children are boys.
About 80%, roughly 81%, depending on the country.
dan friesen
What does that mean?
alex jones
And they almost always go into the autistic decline at 18 months after they don't talk for a few days and lay in bed.
The hospital, if you take them right back, they'll say, oh, that's just a normal side effect.
Just keep them in bed.
They're going to be fine.
Well, that brain swells up and it bleeds in there.
Getting that lobotomy feels real good.
We've had the nurses on.
It's come out in the news as well that they get those ERs ready with those preemies.
Seven months, eight months, six months.
They're fine.
They're breathing.
They're getting better.
After they're there a couple days, two days, the doctor comes in and says, it's time to give them the inoculations.
Full regimen.
Seven shots.
And the nurses beg.
They say, doctor.
Go back to the bioethics board.
They're going to stop breathing.
Some are going to die.
And the doctor says, you know policy.
And they give them their shots.
Some die on the spot.
Others go on the respirators.
unidentified
But a lot of them can't make it because we're a loving country.
alex jones
We're a good country.
dan friesen
That's insanely fucked up.
He's relishing.
It sounds like he's jacking it, quite frankly.
jordan holmes
Why would you go up to a lady whose baby just died at the gym and we're like, hey...
I know your baby just died, but let me tell you why, and also, I don't care about your baby.
dan friesen
I just want to push my agenda.
jordan holmes
It is just a useful situation for me to lie to you.
He is a fucking psychopath.
dan friesen
He is, and I want to discuss some of these lies here in a second, but first, here's the part that I think is kind of funny.
It creates in my head the idea for a cartoon, where it's just Alex Jones wandering around his life, butting into people's business, like, You guys talking about a baby?
There is an image in my head.
jordan holmes
Oh, my baby's in the hospital.
Is it 18 months?
dan friesen
Exactly.
jordan holmes
I mean, something like that.
unidentified
Vaccines!
dan friesen
Nosy-ass anti-vaxxer cartoon Alex Jones is kind of funny to me, but in the real world, it's not so funny.
So a couple things that we need to unpack.
jordan holmes
I love the idea that any time a baby goes into the hospital, he thinks it's vaccines.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Not like well-baby physicians.
Do you not know that babies are...
Okay, fucking fine, Alex.
Let's go back to when babies were stolen by fucking coyotes.
Let's move on.
I'm done with this shit.
If you hate hospitals and medical science so much, just fucking don't go and shut the fuck up.
dan friesen
Yeah, a couple of the things that we should discuss, though, just in terms of his bullshit narratives.
The idea that there are studies that have shown that SIDS is attached or in any way related to vaccination, there are a couple studies, but they have been thoroughly debunked in terms of junk science.
They didn't follow the scientific method at all.
They drew conclusions that weren't there to be concluded.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's not even a conspiracy theory.
The vaccines cause autism is at least a thing.
The vaccines kill your kid is dumb.
And no doctor would give a premature baby seven shots.
dan friesen
That gets to another interesting issue.
A lot of people believe anti-vaccination things because of court cases that have been won by people whose children have been hurt by vaccines.
And there's this thing called the National Vaccine Injury Compensation Program.
And there's a vaccine court that was specially set up.
And this court is rigged in favor of people making complaints.
Intentionally so.
Because the government wants to pay people.
Not to silence them, but they want to make it easier for them to get compensation for being hurt by vaccines.
Negative side effects that can happen sometimes.
jordan holmes
I think that's probably good.
dan friesen
This court doesn't necessarily need you to prove scientifically that the vaccine caused your baby to be hurt or to die.
They just need to have a preponderance of the evidence, like it's a civil court.
And so there have been court cases that have come through the NVICP and people have...
Taking it to mean science has proven this thing, when in fact it's just something that was set up in order to compensate people for their loss without proving scientifically anything.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Now, this is something that's super interesting to me.
jordan holmes
Who pays?
unidentified
Does the government?
dan friesen
The government.
They set it up specifically that way.
Here, I will read this here.
So, Alex, one of his big complaints is that whenever he talks about vaccines hurting you and killing babies, he's like, read the insert.
Read the insert.
It says it can cause diabetes or whatever.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
Possible side effects.
dan friesen
There's that on an aspirin bottle.
jordan holmes
Yeah, exactly.
If you take too much aspirin, you will die.
dan friesen
But there is a no-fault situation for vaccines in terms of drug companies won't be held responsible for vaccines that hurt people.
And that's done also intentionally by the government.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
And I'll read this.
This is from an article on scienceblogs.com that I found very fascinating.
This is the history of that.
In the early 1980s, in the wake of reports, publicized by a news report and later a book by Harris Coulter and Barbara Lowe Fisher called DPT, A Shot in the Dark.
jordan holmes
Those are raptor names.
dan friesen
that the whole cell DPT vaccine was linked to encephalitis and brain damage a flood of product liability lawsuits was on the verge of bringing the u.s vaccine program to its knees later studies exonerated the DPT especially a large case control study but those studies did not come out until the 1990s even though existing evidence at the time did not clearly It did not clearly rule one out.
As a result, vaccine manufacturers had increasingly difficulty obtaining liability insurance.
More and more of them stopped making whole-cell DPT vaccines.
Congress ultimately was forced to intervene and pass the National Childhood Vaccine Injury Act of 1986, which established a federal no-fault system to compensate victims of injury caused by mandated vaccines.
So, there's a situation where people...
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's a good thing.
dan friesen
There's a situation where people could not prove nor disprove a link between a vaccine and...
Medical conditions.
jordan holmes
Right, but insurance companies just didn't want to fucking wade into that.
dan friesen
Exactly.
jordan holmes
Even though it's a medical necessity.
dan friesen
When ten years later, they proved that there wasn't a connection.
unidentified
Of course.
dan friesen
In the intervening ten years, you destroy companies.
You destroy the progress of science.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And tons of people could end up getting...
jordan holmes
Are you saying panicked dumb people might have taken down an industry?
Who would have guessed?
dan friesen
Right, or they didn't, but they almost did.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And the government had to step in to create these courts and to create this no-fault system.
jordan holmes
No regulations!
dan friesen
So intentionally, they set it up so the people who make the vaccine wouldn't be punished in the off chance of these...
Yeah.
That they might not be guilty of, and the government would pay everything.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
So it is actually a good system.
jordan holmes
It is.
dan friesen
It's a very good system that we have.
But people use things that are found in these courts that are not scientific.
They are just civil cases, basically.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And they treat them as if they are science, and it's fucked up.
jordan holmes
Like the one that Coretta Scott King won against America for murdering Martin Luther King Jr.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Anyway, I'm just saying.
dan friesen
The other big lie that Alex uses there is he says that 80-plus percent of autistic people are male.
jordan holmes
That is bananas.
dan friesen
Well, this is also super interesting.
If you look into it, the reason that there is a belief that most autistic people are male...
jordan holmes
It's sociological.
It's just the way that we classify...
Boys and girls differently.
dan friesen
There's a two-pronged thing.
That's a piece of one of them.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
One of the issues is, in the early days of autism studies, almost everybody they studied were dudes.
They were all males.
jordan holmes
That's how most scientific studies work now.
dan friesen
But especially in the case of autism.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And one of the reasons for that is because the way males express autism is incredibly obvious.
The signs and symptoms are much more clear.
There have been people who have theorized this isn't proven or anything, but one of the leading theories about that is that women have, whether it's sociologically ingrained or it's innate, have a higher ability to mimic social cues.
And they are able to know instinctively what's appropriate and not scream out and shit like that.
Beyond that, studies have started to be done that are indicating that stuff like anorexia nervosa, self-harm, social anxiety, these more feminine-related conditions...
jordan holmes
Hysteria.
unidentified
Well, no.
dan friesen
I mean, all those things males can have, but there statistically is a higher incidence in women.
People are starting to understand and look at it from the perspective of those are female autistic symptoms.
jordan holmes
Right.
They may not be neurotypical.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
There's a great book you should read called Neurotribes.
dan friesen
Okay.
jordan holmes
It's very good.
It's about the history of autism.
dan friesen
Okay.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
I would recommend that for everybody.
dan friesen
Well, beyond that, those are some of the reasons Alex is lying.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
So many reasons.
dan friesen
He's full of shit, but also, more importantly, stay out of people's fucking business.
jordan holmes
Especially if their baby just died.
dan friesen
And you're at the gym.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Just do your fucking lifts and get out of there.
So, that is Alex Jones' take on science.
jordan holmes
Which is that it's not real.
dan friesen
And he has no understanding of some of the nuances of it.
But now, let's get to him discussing his science.
jordan holmes
Oh, no.
dan friesen
In terms of the products that he sells.
jordan holmes
Oh, no.
alex jones
While we're figuring out what's going on with Leigh-Anne and some other issues...
I want to air a compendium of special reports that they did for the nightly news.
Her and her good friend, Ms. Robin.
Because it was their idea to try to check out the claims that we were making and what listeners were saying about the survival shield combined, of course, with the liver shield.
And what that would do, they did the six-day cleanse on top of juicing as well.
And the six-day clearance is up on InfoWarsLife.com.
And you take the Oxy Powder, four to six tablets a day, just high-level oxygen that releases in your intestines, upper and lower intestines.
You take the Liver Shield, a proprietary product, in water four times a day with apple cider vinegar.
And then on the sixth day, you drink seven ounces of virgin olive oil when you go to bed at night and lay on the side that your liver's on, your right side.
For at least an hour.
And then most people in the morning have spectacular results when green and black stones come out.
jordan holmes
What?
alex jones
I say most people, like 98% we talked to have results within two days.
jordan holmes
Green and black stones?
Stones come out?
dan friesen
Yep.
As long as you drink six to seven ounces of olive oil and lay on your right side for an hour.
jordan holmes
Wow!
dan friesen
And you pray to the witch god.
jordan holmes
That's no good.
And then, of course, on the seventh day you rest.
unidentified
Yeah, indeed.
dan friesen
While the balls come out of you.
jordan holmes
Also, if you are on Lamictal, you should take four to six tablets a day.
dan friesen
As do I. Also, talk to your doctor before you do this shit.
jordan holmes
Talk to your doctor any time green and black stones come out of you.
dan friesen
Now, the doctors want those to stay inside you.
That's the thing.
You don't talk to them about that.
jordan holmes
Oh, okay.
You don't want to tell them?
dan friesen
No, they're a bunch of snitches.
jordan holmes
What I would suggest you do, put them in a bag, bring them to your doctor, and just put them right on his desk and be like, that's good.
dan friesen
And then flip them off.
So, he said at the beginning there, he's like, while we're trying to figure out what's going on with Leanne, Leanne McAdoo has been sent to St. Louis.
Where there is a fire burning underground near nuclear waste, or something along those lines.
They can never get her Skype going.
jordan holmes
Is that true?
dan friesen
I don't know.
I vaguely recall this story.
I'm not sure if their angle on it is correct.
I don't care.
Because they can never get her Skype connection together.
So they just keep being like, well, we'll go to Leanne, and then they can't get her.
So Alex says over and over again, I didn't tell her to go there.
She went on her own.
As if he thinks she's going to die, and he's trying to clear himself.
jordan holmes
Yeah, wait, what?
dan friesen
It's just over and over again.
jordan holmes
Leanne's gone rogue!
She's just going to St. Louis!
dan friesen
Every single time he brings it up, he points out, this wasn't my idea.
Because he thinks shit's going to go bad.
It doesn't, and they can never get her on camera.
Of course.
jordan holmes
She's actually just in a bar across the street.
dan friesen
Might as well have been.
So they move on to another interview.
On this day, we have a visit from George Norrie of Coast to Coast AM.
jordan holmes
All right.
dan friesen
As we know, Coast to Coast AM is a show that's on overnight from, I think it's like midnight to 3 AM or something like that.
And they talk about ghosts.
They talk about aliens.
They talk about ancient aliens.
jordan holmes
Love it.
dan friesen
They talk about all that stuff.
jordan holmes
Pyramids full of grain.
dan friesen
Probably talk about tulpas.
Talk about golems.
Probably talk about gins, I imagine.
jordan holmes
You're just going through all Middle Eastern situations, huh?
dan friesen
Yeah.
Talk about the tarot, I assume.
jordan holmes
Okay.
All right.
dan friesen
So George Norrie is a guest on this episode, and the reason he's on might surprise you.
george noory
We have forgotten morality and what this country was all about, and I think it's just crazy, Alex.
We've got to get back to our grassroots again as a nation and do things that are just common sense, right?
unidentified
White people.
I mean, which we're not doing anymore.
jordan holmes
You want white people?
george noory
The presidential push to try to get me to run for office.
dan friesen
You are absolutely right.
I am nonpartisan.
unidentified
I am not a Republican.
dan friesen
I'm not a Democrat.
jordan holmes
Absolutely.
unidentified
I'm probably more a libertarian, but I'm generally independent.
george noory
However, if you're going to run for president in the United States, you really have to be a Democrat or a Republican on those parties.
Look, they're about the same, right?
But you have to do that because that's what garners the biggest votes.
unidentified
There has been a group that has asked me and wanted me to push for this, to run.
I did consider that.
jordan holmes
It's getting late.
unidentified
The clock is ticking.
george noory
I would have to take a leave from coast to coast, and I'm not sure I want to do that.
But I probably could get the nomination, the Democratic nomination, and then I'd even have to run off against Mr. Carson or Mr. Trump or maybe even Jeb Bush.
alex jones
Well, George, you've got the listeners, tens of millions of them that would actually come out and support you.
You're a smart guy.
You'd destroy him in the debates.
dan friesen
Not a chance.
jordan holmes
Tens of millions of listeners for Coast to Coast AM.
dan friesen
I mean, he does have a sizable listener base, but we went over the statistics on the Nielsen ratings of radio shows, and he doesn't have nearly that many listeners.
jordan holmes
He is going to easily win the Democratic nomination.
dan friesen
Easily.
jordan holmes
Even though he is not a Republican or a Democrat.
dan friesen
No.
jordan holmes
He's mainly a libertarian, and we all know how Democrats love them.
dan friesen
Love them.
jordan holmes
Love libertarians.
But he's mostly an independent.
unidentified
Right.
jordan holmes
He's non-partisan.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
He doesn't believe in reality, but he is non-partisan.
Reality is a partisan issue.
dan friesen
Here are a couple things that he believes that would fly super well with the Democratic Party nomination.
He's super into Blue Lives Matter.
jordan holmes
Makes perfect sense.
dan friesen
He's really into anti-vaccination stuff.
jordan holmes
Everybody loves that.
dan friesen
The left is thrilled with those positions.
jordan holmes
Oh, it's my favorite thing.
You hear me yelling all the time about how we need fewer vaccinations.
dan friesen
And less oversight of police.
jordan holmes
Listen, guys.
I'm going to announce my candidacy for president right now in 2020.
My main platform will be bring back polio.
That will be my main platform.
dan friesen
Make polio widespread again.
Can't make that an acronym that you can pronounce.
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
But, so George Norrie's on.
He expounds some of his positions.
One of them is get rid of the Fed.
Get rid of income taxes.
jordan holmes
Perfect.
dan friesen
Just make it a sales tax.
jordan holmes
No fire stations.
dan friesen
It's very libertarian.
jordan holmes
If your house burns down, you better have a tip on hand for the fire department.
Otherwise, you're fucked.
Do you remember...
Dan, that there was a time in our history where there were actually competing fire departments in the same city that would allow your house to burn down.
You had to.
And if your neighbor bought fire insurance, they would protect your neighbor's house from the fire of your house.
dan friesen
Yep.
jordan holmes
Fucking insane.
dan friesen
Competition.
jordan holmes
Oh.
Free market.
Free market prosperity, Dan.
dan friesen
I mean, that's one of the things that's so fascinating about libertarianism as a whole is, like, the elements of it we've done before.
jordan holmes
I know!
dan friesen
All of the elements.
We've done this!
jordan holmes
You're wrong!
Not because we can prove it.
Scientifically or mathematically, we can just go back 50 years and be like, see, this is what happens when the dumb shit you believe is actually practiced.
And they're like, no, no, no, we'll figure it out.
dan friesen
We've added technology and shit.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, no, we got it this time.
dan friesen
Also, a huge piece of George Norrie's campaign is about EMP defense.
jordan holmes
Alright, okay, now I'm in.
dan friesen
Okay.
jordan holmes
Now I'm in.
That is a democratic position.
dan friesen
He spends an inordinate amount of time talking about how vulnerable...
jordan holmes
He just watched Ocean...
And he's like, that's how EMPs work, right?
dan friesen
Something like that.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
So George Norrie blows hard for a bit, and then Alex gets to another interview that he has to end out the show, which is our friend Max Kaiser, who we know is the weirdo economist who has created Max Coins.
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
He has his own cryptocurrency.
jordan holmes
How's it doing?
dan friesen
Here's how it's doing.
unidentified
And to help people, Alex, I am giving away free money today at StartCoin.com.
As a matter of fact, if you go to startcoin.com, I'm giving away free money to your listeners all day as a way to introduce them to cryptocurrencies, which I think is the only way to preserve your wealth.
dan friesen
So that's how it's going.
It's not great.
jordan holmes
No, no, no.
He's giving away free...
He's giving away bucks.
That aren't even good at Disney.
He's giving away magic money.
dan friesen
To get people in.
jordan holmes
It's very easy to give away worthless things.
dan friesen
And let's be clear.
jordan holmes
I'm giving away this air.
Everybody that goes to knowledgefight.com is allowed to have as much air as they want.
I just want to get you guys into breathing.
I want to make sure you're aware of it.
dan friesen
That's big of you.
unidentified
Now, of course, after the first month, I will be charging you a stipend.
dan friesen
There will be a small vig.
jordan holmes
There will be a small vig on the air you breathe.
dan friesen
But, I mean, that's pathetic.
That's making it so obvious that this is not an appearance where we're going to be talking about anything substantial.
This is fucking get on my currency.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
Also, there's a ton of buy gold shit.
So that, like, is the only way to preserve your wealth is nonsense.
jordan holmes
Buy gold.
dan friesen
He's trying to hawk gold also.
jordan holmes
Buy gold and then...
Transfer it into Max Bucks.
dan friesen
Also, all these people who come on and say to buy gold, sell gold.
Like, Peter Schiff sells gold.
jordan holmes
That's odd.
I can't think of a reason for that.
dan friesen
GCN, Ted Anderson, the guy who syndicates Alex Jones' show, sells gold.
All of this shit.
jordan holmes
Hey, the guy from Hair Club for Men came on and sold.
unidentified
He's not just a guy.
dan friesen
He's a member.
jordan holmes
He's a member.
dan friesen
I'm not just the owner.
I'm a member.
jordan holmes
He's a member.
These guys aren't just selling gold.
They're made of gold.
dan friesen
Yeah, they're Midas.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
So that's the end of October 28th, and we move along to October 29th.
Something interesting happened on the eve of October 28th, and that is that CNBC had a presidential debate.
They had a Republican primary debate.
jordan holmes
Oh, no.
dan friesen
And if you recall, it didn't go well.
jordan holmes
It was a disaster.
dan friesen
It was a huge disaster.
jordan holmes
It was a shit show.
dan friesen
Yeah, so here's Alex Jones' take on it.
alex jones
There are moments in television, moments in media, where the full import of how big something is isn't understood for Weeks, months, even years.
But what we witnessed last night with the CNBC Republican debate moderated by CNBC is evident pretty much instantly.
This is a Polaroid moment where you don't have to wait more than just a few seconds after the debate.
I was sitting there watching it with family and children.
And even let my children stay up late to finish it and see the aftermath.
And I asked my children, my 13-year-old son, my 11-year-old daughter, my 7-year-old daughter, while we were watching the coverage that InfoWars was engaged in with David Knight, Jakari Jackson, and of course Joe Biggs and others,
and my children said, The reporters, that's what they called them, were reporters, they're really just pundits, were trying to bully and trying to attack and trying to make the Republican candidates look stupid, but they looked stupid.
That's what Rex Jones, my 13-year-old, had to say about it.
dan friesen
In-depth analysis from a 13-year-old.
jordan holmes
They made them look stupid, but they're stupid.
Good work.
Good work, Rex.
dan friesen
Go do your multiplication homework.
jordan holmes
Yeah, no kidding.
I let my seven-year-old daughter watch one of the most homophobic, racist things that I could possibly allow her to watch.
A bunch of fuckfaces fucking fighting to hate people more.
That's what that debate was.
It was a contest to see who could destroy more language.
That's what it was.
dan friesen
But if you remember, those kids have been on Infowars before.
That's true.
So it's like you're way past that.
jordan holmes
Yeah, you're making a good point.
dan friesen
In terms of bad parenting.
jordan holmes
You're right.
dan friesen
But Alex has more to say about this debate.
That's not his...
jordan holmes
Oh, is he going to get into the substance of what they talked about?
unidentified
No.
jordan holmes
He's really going to get into the issues that they communicated?
dan friesen
He's going to tell you what his three-year-old kid thought.
alex jones
Okay.
dan friesen
No, that's not what he does.
He wants to critique the media and how they behaved.
And you can really tell there's something he wants to say but can't.
alex jones
They wanted to demonize the Republican Party.
They wanted to demonize the candidates that weren't establishment.
They would give softball questions to the Republicans that they know are part of the team while viciously attacking people they don't control.
It was crystal clear that this was a rigged attempt.
To derail patriot candidates, and instead, it was a fiasco, it was a disaster, it was a train wreck, it was an implosion for the sycophantic media whores.
This weekend, I was hiking in the mountains of Southwest Texas, and it really hit me.
We've had so many debates, so many calls, so many guests talk about what should we call the Decepticon?
Mainstream, sewage stream, collaborator, prostitute, corporate media.
jordan holmes
I'm just throwing out a bunch of options.
alex jones
And it hit me.
Straight talk is the answer.
Straight labels that actually fit what something is, is what we should go with.
dan friesen
Fair.
alex jones
You don't call butter concentrated milk fat.
You call it butter.
dan friesen
How about another example?
alex jones
You don't call chocolate Recondensed sugared cocoa powder.
You call it chocolate.
dan friesen
You got a third?
alex jones
You don't call a pile of horse manure on the side of the road some scientific name for the leavings of the equine species.
You call it what it is.
jordan holmes
Way to bring it home.
alex jones
They are the enemy.
Mainstream media is the enemy.
They are the deceivers.
They are the enemy propaganda arms of the major corporations that brag they've conquered this country.
dan friesen
But they don't.
alex jones
They are collaborators.
jordan holmes
It's not entirely wrong.
dan friesen
It's spiritually wrong.
jordan holmes
It's not entirely, you know, they are just giant corporate entities and the corporations have pretty much said...
We own you.
So, it's not terrible.
But where he's coming from is wrong.
What his analysis of the debate is fucking stupid.
dan friesen
You can be right for the wrong reason.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And that might be what you're feeling.
jordan holmes
Pretty much every time we agree, it's like, Alex, you're an idiot.
I agree with what you say.
But what you mean is dumb.
dan friesen
Yeah, I don't agree with what you mean, but your literal point is correct.
In a small way.
But I think he's pissed off he can't say Judenpress.
I really think that he's like, that's where he wants to go with this.
He wants to go that far, and he can't.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
The other thing that's interesting to take away from that is that is a talking point that Donald Trump will pick up.
jordan holmes
Oh!
dan friesen
Who would have guessed?
Yeah, so that's an interesting little parallel there.
I'm going to skip this.
jordan holmes
Do you remember?
I will say the one thing that he is absolutely right about is that...
During the campaign, the media failed us on a level I don't think I've ever seen before.
dan friesen
Big time.
jordan holmes
Like, they are a big, big reason.
All the blame we want to put on the fucking Nazis, the media wanting a story, wanting an interesting campaign, wanting that horse race, is a big problem and one of the big reasons that Trump was elected.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Just asking Trump questions?
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Like, even now, if somebody just asked Trump what something means, like, Trump, what does DACA stand for?
unidentified
And he'd be like, uh, ooh.
dan friesen
Isn't that the other name for North Korea?
jordan holmes
Yeah, I don't know.
Of course he doesn't know.
He doesn't know fucking anything.
And if you would have just...
If you'd have just, like, stopped talking about how he sounded and started talking about how he knows fucking nothing, maybe we would have had a better shot.
dan friesen
Yeah, but that's not what Alex is saying.
jordan holmes
No, of course not.
Of course not.
He can't process that.
dan friesen
Well, no, just because...
jordan holmes
It has to be that they're lying about him.
dan friesen
Just because we both have critiques of the media doesn't mean we agree.
Yeah, absolutely.
That's sort of the place that...
jordan holmes
Well, we both critique corporations, but we definitely don't agree on why.
dan friesen
Certainly.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
So I'm going to skip this next clip because it's just Alex saying that he got his dad to retire because of Obamacare and now he works for him.
jordan holmes
That makes sense.
dan friesen
So now Alex Jones at Infowars has a CIA dentist working for him.
jordan holmes
Absolutely.
You can always trust a CIA dentist.
dan friesen
So in this next clip, Alex Jones contradicts himself within the span of a couple seconds.
jordan holmes
Wonderful.
dan friesen
And it's fascinating.
alex jones
Because I don't have to sit here and tell my reporters what to report, what to write, what to say.
Because I just hire people that are already informed and love freedom.
And they're just going to go out and report on what's happening.
And that's what's so exciting about not having talking points.
dan friesen
Wait for it.
alex jones
I mean, I do stuff like, hey, they're coming after the guns.
Let's really stay focused on that this week.
Or, hey, TPP, they're ramming it through.
Let's try to make that a big focus.
jordan holmes
Talking points.
alex jones
It's not in the news right now that they're continuing to put veterans on don't treat death list.
Let's go undercover and expose it.
jordan holmes
Talking points.
dan friesen
Yeah.
In that pause...
jordan holmes
All talking points.
dan friesen
In that pause that he had, he made a weird face.
He was like, oops.
jordan holmes
It's wonderful that we don't use talking points.
Admittedly, we use talking points.
dan friesen
Admittedly.
jordan holmes
But we don't do it.
dan friesen
But we don't do exactly what to cover.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
They just love...
I love that he's hiring people that love freedom.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Like, I would hate it if he was hiring people who are fucking fascists.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
It would be crazy if he was hiring people who advocated harshly against any kind of oversight of the government.
That would be terrible.
unidentified
Terrible.
jordan holmes
Oh, man.
It would be terrible if he hired those people.
dan friesen
This investigation is supposed to be about how Alex Jones ended up where he is in the presidential campaign.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And as such, we need to cover some of the stuff that I don't want to cover about this debate.
Because these clips, I don't like to listen to Ted Cruz talk.
Steal yourself, because we're going to have to listen to Ted Cruz talk a little bit in this next clip, and we can critique it on the other side, but it's interesting to hear how Alex treats Ted Cruz at this point in history.
He has a boner for him.
jordan holmes
Of course.
alex jones
I'm going to go to your calls, but let's start playing some of these clips.
This is Ted Cruz, blast corrupt mainstream media.
He kind of set the tone, and he pointed out he is a leader.
I have to admit, he's done some stuff I don't like, but...
Going after the abortions, going after the open borders, going after the gun grabbers, going after Obamacare, going after not supporting ISIS, that he still supports going after Assad.
That's the problem.
I've got to say, Ted Cruz, I know Rand Paul, so I'll say he's better, but Ted Cruz, despite problems, really has delivered.
Let's go ahead and go to this Ted Cruz clip.
Here it is.
unidentified
Senator Cruz, congressional Republicans, Democrats, and the White House are about to strike a compromise that would raise the debt limit, prevent a government shutdown, and calm financial markets that fear of another Washington-created crisis is on the way.
Does your opposition to it show that you're not the kind of problem solver American voters want?
jordan holmes
You know, let me say something at the outset.
unidentified
The questions that have been asked so far in this debate...
Illustrate why the American people don't trust the media.
jordan holmes
Kill me.
dan friesen
We'll get back into this.
jordan holmes
Fucking kill me.
dan friesen
We'll get back to this clip in a second, but let's really...
jordan holmes
Let me say something.
The question that I was asked...
I don't want to answer.
dan friesen
Because I had a big part in forcing a government shutdown.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
It was kind of one of my big things.
jordan holmes
One of the big things I did.
dan friesen
I really don't want to address that.
jordan holmes
One of the big things I did was lower the credit rating of the entire country.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
Through my petulance and hatred of a black president.
jordan holmes
You know how everybody's complaining about the national debt?
I have ensured that it will be higher.
unidentified
Now.
jordan holmes
That is me.
dan friesen
In fairness to Ted Cruz.
In ultimate fairness.
That question was phrased a little aggressively.
jordan holmes
It was a dumb question.
Don't get me wrong.
dan friesen
The point of the question is valid.
It's worded a little bit like, hey, I'm not impartial here.
jordan holmes
The government is functioning.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Are you trying...
While the government is functioning, people like it.
You don't want the government to function.
Are you an asshole?
dan friesen
You seem to want to grandstand in such a way that we'll...
Make the government not work.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Does that preclude you from being a leader?
And because he can't answer that question, he has to grandstand and flip it on the media.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
And that's clearly what he's doing.
jordan holmes
Oh, God, transparently.
dan friesen
Yeah, absolutely.
jordan holmes
And he gets a giant applause break because everybody at the Republican debate is fucking stupid.
dan friesen
Yeah, so now let's jump back.
alex jones
That's right.
Hit him back.
unidentified
This is not a cage match.
And you look at the questions.
Donald Trump, are you a comic book villain?
Ben Carson, can you do math?
ted cruz
John Kasich, will you insult two people over here?
unidentified
Marco Rubio, why don't you resign?
dan friesen
Jeb Bush, why have your numbers fallen?
unidentified
How about talking about the substantive issues people...
alex jones
Cruz is the best on the street I've ever seen.
At any stage.
He is the best.
jordan holmes
You can't fucking answer it, you fucking ass!
unidentified
I fucking hate you, Taylor.
I mean, it's it.
jordan holmes
Carl, I'm not finished yet.
ted cruz
The contrast with the Democratic debate, where every fawning question from the media was, which of you is more handsome and wise?
unidentified
So this is the question about the debt limit, which you have 30 seconds left to answer, should you choose to do so.
alex jones
Look at that arrogant little...
unidentified
Let me be clear.
alex jones
The men and women on this stage...
ted cruz
Have more ideas, more experience, more common sense than every participant in the Democratic debate.
That debate reflected a debate between the Bolsheviks and the Mensheviks.
And nobody watching at home believes that any of the moderators has any intention of voting in a Republican primer.
The questions that are being asked shouldn't be trying to get people to tear into each other.
unidentified
It should be, what are your substantive solutions to people who are hurting mentions?
I just want the record to reflect.
I asked you about the debt limit, and I got no answer.
alex jones
You didn't ask a real question, punk.
unidentified
I'm happy to answer the question.
What do you think of it?
Let me tell you how the question is.
Let me tell you how that question is.
alex jones
Senator Paul, I've got a question for you on the same subject.
jordan holmes
So you don't actually want to hear the answer, John?
unidentified
You don't want to hear the answer.
roger stone
You just want to hear the insult.
alex jones
You used your time on something else.
unidentified
So you're not interested in an answer, John?
I'm interested in an answer from Senator Paul.
Senator Paul, the budget deal crafted by Speaker...
alex jones
Oh, that's enough of that.
I skipped the break.
This is so important.
This is how they tried to control the narrative.
dan friesen
No, that's how people act like babies.
jordan holmes
That's how he tried to control the narrative.
dan friesen
Yeah, exactly.
jordan holmes
He got asked a question, and then instead, he controlled the narrative!
That's what he did!
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
The moderator asked a bad question, but it was still like...
Hey, talk about the debt ceiling.
And he was like, the media's bad!
And you're like, okay.
And then your time is up because you're a fucking idiot.
You're a child.
So you're going in time out!
dan friesen
That's what he did!
It's a situation where, sure, the question might have been framed poorly or presented poorly, but it gives an opportunity for you to rise above it and defend yourself about this issue that clearly a lot of people think you're a fucking dick about.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And so he refuses to do that, instead plays victim.
And then even to the end, when the time is up, he plays victim saying, oh, I can answer it, because he knows that they're not going to give him more time.
jordan holmes
Of course not.
dan friesen
He gets to play the victim of like, oh, look, I had a great answer about that, but you guys are being fucking dicks.
You don't want to talk about substance.
I just wasted a minute yelling about how everyone on this stage is a victim, because we're all super rich white dudes except Ben Carson.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Who's a super rich black dude.
And Carly Fiorina was there, I think.
jordan holmes
Who's even more super rich than the rest of them?
dan friesen
But she's a white lady.
jordan holmes
Yeah, well, we don't need to worry about that.
dan friesen
We got our demographics.
jordan holmes
You guys just want us to insult each other.
You don't want to ask us substantive questions.
Admittedly, the question you just asked me was great.
dan friesen
It was substantive.
jordan holmes
But I am not going to answer it.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
I am instead going to whine like a tiny...
Fuck Ted Cruz!
Ted Cruz is the nails on a chalkboard as a human being.
dan friesen
There legitimately should not be live audiences, I think.
jordan holmes
Absolutely not.
dan friesen
For these debates.
Like, that's a mess.
Because you can just pander and do shit like that.
jordan holmes
And even that, if you have time, if you're trying to answer a question, why are you stopping for applause breaks?
You're not using your time properly.
dan friesen
Yeah, but also, you missed it because you were screaming.
jordan holmes
I'm very angry.
dan friesen
But Alex in the middle of that says, Ted Cruz is the best on his feet of any statesman I've ever seen.
jordan holmes
Oh my god, kill us all.
dan friesen
Consider that within six months, he will...
Join in on the Ted Cruz's dad killed JFK.
jordan holmes
Well, that's true.
That's just a fact.
dan friesen
He will go that far that quickly.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
That's amazing to me.
jordan holmes
Eh, that doesn't amaze me at all.
When you don't believe in anything, you don't have to worry about whether or not your positions are consistent, because you don't have any positions.
dan friesen
So, we have one more clip that we gotta get through of this debate shit, and it starts with Alex screaming about Melissa Harris Perry, because...
She's like...
There's that part, but she had also, in...
As I recall, the setting was confirmation hearings for Paul Ryan to be the speaker.
And Alex is spinning a real fun yarn about that.
Because he's taking credit for Boehner stepping down.
All of us Tea Party, Liberty people, we forced him out, and we're going to get one of our guys in there because we have momentum.
Now Paul Ryan gets in and he's like, nah, this doesn't mean that we didn't put him in, but he's on a short leash.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
You idiot!
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
It's so clear that like, oh no, Boehner wanted to step down.
He wanted to get out of there.
jordan holmes
Boehner was sick of that shit.
dan friesen
And he's very smart.
jordan holmes
And he was very smart.
dan friesen
He clearly had a million dollar offer on the table.
So, um, Alex is really...
jordan holmes
I could get shit from lunatics all day and get shit from other sane people all day.
dan friesen
Uh-huh.
jordan holmes
Or I could leave and get millions of dollars.
dan friesen
And no one will care what I'm doing.
jordan holmes
And not have to worry about anything.
dan friesen
I would take that option.
jordan holmes
Of course.
dan friesen
So, uh, in the confirmation hearings, uh, they're talking about Paul Ryan and someone says that he's hardworking.
And Melissa Harris Perry stops to say, like, uh, well...
I agree with you, and I think Paul Ryan is a good choice, but whatever I think of the word hardworking, I want to be careful about language because it brings up to me an image of slaves in a field, and that is the definition of hardworking for me.
What I think she was getting at, first of all, I don't necessarily agree with how she makes this point.
I think that might be a little bit of a linguistic stretch in terms of bringing unrelated issues in and what have you, but I think the point that she's making is, hey, all of us, We're not really that hard-working.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
In the grand scheme of things, let's try and be clear about what we do.
jordan holmes
Yeah, exactly.
dan friesen
I think that's what she's saying, but I'm not going to go to bat for her 100%.
But Alex is furious about it.
unidentified
Of course.
dan friesen
So he starts ranting here, and it goes a couple minutes, and then weaves into some Ben Carson stuff in the debate.
And it's really important that we get the entire context leading up to this, because where it ends and what's making Alex really mad is fascinating.
And we'll get to it in a second.
alex jones
If they get angrier, and if they get in the scum's face, and if you get in the scum's face, and stop letting them dictate to you, like Melissa Harris Perry does, that if you say somebody's a hard worker, you're disparaging black slaves, you need to say, listen, witch, quit trying to stir up racism.
How dare you connect words to racism like you control the language?
What type of cult leader do you want to be, you freak?
You gonna tell me I gotta drink barbiturates and vodka?
Go lay in bunk beds to go join the Hale-Bopp cult, you little bug-eyed nobody!
We're sick of being dominated by trash like you, you piece of garbage!
Break their control over you!
Break their spell over you!
Break their conditioning!
jordan holmes
This is like Gary Oldman and Leon the Professional.
alex jones
The heavens are the seal of God's creation.
The sun, the moon, the stars all bear God's seal.
jordan holmes
Nice pivot from you.
alex jones
And realize these people aren't God.
God is God.
These people aren't our gods.
Melissa Harris Perry isn't some God who tells me what to do.
You have no audience, witch.
All you've got is your cult programmers and educators in the colleges and public schools that will vomit back whatever you say because they are already dead.
jordan holmes
So yeah, you do have an audience.
alex jones
You totalitarian.
I am the liberal.
jordan holmes
Sure.
alex jones
I am the pro-human.
I am the pro-freedom.
Not you.
My audience carries the light of the republic.
Not you.
You carry nightmare Soviet-style brainwashing.
You are a clear and present danger to this country with the rest of your company of enemies.
unidentified
You are the filth of the planet.
alex jones
And I'm not stupid.
I know full well you're capable of self-inflicted political wounds to then roll back clips of what I have to say here.
The difference is when you people pull off your garbage, everybody knows who the prime suspects are.
It certainly isn't us.
I will annihilate you with information.
dan friesen
Information?
alex jones
I will destroy you with your own words.
I don't need violence.
I don't want any harm upon you.
I want you to live a long, failed life.
Watching humanity succeed and our children become strong.
And living together in true human advancement.
jordan holmes
No blacks, though.
alex jones
That's what I want to see.
And that's what you don't want to see as a social engineer, eugenicist, garbage pusher.
dan friesen
Great.
alex jones
Let's go to debate audience booze CNBC moderators question to Ben Carson.
unidentified
Let's play this little luscious giblet.
There's a company called Manatech, a maker of nutritional supplements with which you had a 10-year relationship.
They offered claims that they could cure autism, cancer.
They paid $7 million to settle a deceptive marketing lawsuit in Texas.
And yet your involvement continued.
Why?
Well, that's easy to answer.
I didn't have an involvement with them.
That is total propaganda.
And this is what happens in our society.
Total propaganda.
I did a couple of speeches for them.
I did speeches for other people.
jordan holmes
Yes, I did have involvement with them.
unidentified
It is absolutely absurd to say that I had any kind of a relationship with them.
Do I take the product?
Yes.
I think it's a good product.
jordan holmes
You're advertising now?
unidentified
Oh, their website with the logo over your shoulder.
If somebody put me on their homepage, they did it without me.
Does that not speak to your vetting process or judgment in any way?
No, it speaks to the fact that I don't know those ones.
jordan holmes
Great job, audience.
unidentified
See, they know.
alex jones
People want to go buy a product when the FTC goes after it, or the FDA.
Absolutely.
I've seen the news reports.
I've talked to the company owners.
When they come after you, sales explode.
People know trash.
They know who you are.
They know you hate them.
They know you got bad will.
We hate you.
We see you, Phil.
We know you're killing babies.
We know you're aborting them.
We know you're selling their body parts.
We know, we know, we know you don't like us.
Well, we don't like you either.
Got that?
You want to fight, you little bastards?
You're gonna get one!
unidentified
The Sleeping Giant is rising!
alex jones
Yes!
unidentified
Break the change!
dan friesen
So it's good to know that he's doing that on purpose.
jordan holmes
Wow.
dan friesen
You know, all that.
jordan holmes
That was some good screaming.
dan friesen
I mean, we went over that, I think, in the last episode.
I mean, he admits that's all fake, that he's just screaming stuff and he doesn't really care.
unidentified
The sleeping giant has awoken!
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
It's not hard.
dan friesen
He gets off air during the little 70-second commercial break, gargles with a little salt water.
jordan holmes
Yeah, back on it.
dan friesen
So the thing there, I think the reason that he's really mad is because...
The context that Ben Carson is being critiqued about is a nutritional supplement company.
And he knows that that's what he does.
And he knows that he's kind of vulnerable.
One scam goes down, all the other...
jordan holmes
All the other scams start falling.
dan friesen
Ben Carson was involved with Manatech for a very long time.
jordan holmes
He did a couple of paid speeches for them.
dan friesen
$42,000 for one of the speeches he got paid, which is more than I make in a year.
jordan holmes
He wasn't involved.
Sure, it was on his website.
But whoever did that did it without his permission.
dan friesen
No, that was their website, not his website, to be fair.
But this is from an article in The Atlantic.
Carson first spoke out in favor of Manatech products over a decade ago when he claimed that the Texas-based company's glyconutritional supplements, which included larch tree bark and aloe vera extract, help him overcome prostate disease.
In one video for Manatech last year that remains online, Carson discusses his experience with nutritional supplements while seated next to the company's logo.
Quote, Basically, what the company is doing is trying to find a way to restore natural diet as a medicine, or as a mechanism for maintaining health.
That doesn't sound like an unbiased person.
jordan holmes
Now, when God made us, he also did give us cancer.
That is true.
dan friesen
Prostate cancer.
jordan holmes
The human body will break down.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
And eventually turn against itself and murder itself.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
But, if you just take some aloe vera, man, you're done.
dan friesen
You're good.
jordan holmes
That's such...
How do you get away with lying like that?
unidentified
It doesn't matter.
jordan holmes
And then lying like that on stage.
dan friesen
It doesn't matter.
jordan holmes
And then people booing somebody being like, hey, you clearly didn't say anything.
If you don't have any involvement with them, why is your picture on their website?
Maybe you should say something.
dan friesen
Maybe you should sue them.
unidentified
Boo!
jordan holmes
How dare you make a good point?
dan friesen
The reason that they booed, I don't know why I need to just be super clear about it, but the reason they booed is because the question was, doesn't that indicate bad judgment on your part?
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Which, I mean, that's dishy, but yeah.
jordan holmes
Doesn't it?
dan friesen
I guess.
But Alex Jones is pissed off because Manatech is also a direct sales operation, wherein you buy a bunch of products and sell it to your friends.
jordan holmes
They're also a multi-level marketing campaign?
dan friesen
And so is InfoWars.
jordan holmes
Holy fucking shit.
dan friesen
So is InfoWars life.
jordan holmes
It's all pyramid schemes.
dan friesen
Alex Jones has a pyramid scheme operating out of InfoWars that he runs.
And so Manatech is incredibly similar to the InfoWars supplement line.
And he knows it.
jordan holmes
It's a good thing it's an unregulated industry.
dan friesen
Right.
He knows it, and he knows how vulnerable he is.
If people start discussing it and you start looking at this stuff, realize how much of a fucking scam it is, his house of cards could unravel very quickly.
unidentified
Wow.
dan friesen
And so, of course, he's going to get mad, say that the MSM is the enemy and they're trying to attack people unjustly.
jordan holmes
Dr. Carson.
You're a surgeon.
Why is it that you don't believe in science?
dan friesen
Dr. Carson, you're a weirdo.
End of question.
So, also in this episode, Alex Jones has a lengthy discussion of cucks.
He talks about cuckolding.
jordan holmes
He fucking loves it.
dan friesen
I left it out just because it's getting repetitive and we've got a lot of ground to cover.
But if you want to go and listen to that piece of the episode...
It's not worth it.
jordan holmes
Do you want to go and get cucked?
dan friesen
So up to this point, there's been a marked lack of discussion of Russia for where we've been in terms of the last two weeks or so of Infowars coverage.
But don't worry.
That's just because he wanted to cover the debate.
He's getting back into it.
alex jones
There shouldn't be guns openly at boot camp because people don't know how to use them yet.
It should be in restricted areas, on the range, or with proper trainers.
I've studied it.
I haven't been in the military, but I've studied it.
jordan holmes
And everybody should have them all the time.
alex jones
I get not having a bunch of recruits who might flip out.
They're being tested.
There's going to be some mentally ill people.
That's why you're putting them under pressure to find out what they'll do under pressure.
That's why they do that at boot camp.
Why, frankly, boot camp isn't probably strong enough now like it used to be because of political correctness.
The Russians kill people in boot camp.
Routinely.
That's what used to happen in our boot camps.
And that's because you're there to learn what war is going to be like.
dan friesen
Great.
Russian boot camps are awesome because they kill people.
jordan holmes
You know what I love about my fighting force?
Making sure there are fewer of them.
And also making sure that you don't want to go to a boot camp because you might die.
dan friesen
Also making sure the ones that do make it out are probably psychologically wounded by the fact that their friends died in training.
unidentified
Oh, love it.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
I want PTSD before the...
dan friesen
Actual fighting stars at all.
I want PTSD among the cooks.
jordan holmes
Yeah, absolutely.
dan friesen
Among the people who aren't even in the shit.
jordan holmes
Oh, they might lose their minds.
If it weren't for political correctness, we would still be murdering our own military.
dan friesen
And Russia does it, and they're great.
jordan holmes
They're great.
dan friesen
That's his example.
jordan holmes
You can see how great they are.
They have such a wonderful military.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
Filled with people who are...
No.
unidentified
They're happy.
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
They're happy.
jordan holmes
Yeah, sure.
dan friesen
They're alive.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
So, at the end of this episode, Alex has...
He has an interview with his intrepid reporter, Wayne Madsen.
He's the guy who brought us the hot story about Hillary Clinton's chef being murdered and having a letter pinned to him that said, call Larry Nichols.
jordan holmes
That's great.
dan friesen
So there's that.
Love it.
Yeah.
Wayne Madsen has cracked the case of 9-11.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
It turns out that in Arizona, there is a hangar.
There's like an airfield.
And he's convinced that this is where they turned planes into remote control drones.
He has no evidence of it.
It is just speculation, and they treat it as gospel.
jordan holmes
I knew it was going to be Arizonans who caused the problem.
dan friesen
And he talks about this, and then like two days later on the show, they play a report of him in Arizona, and they think it proves anything, and it doesn't, except that it's clearly very easy to get onto this airfield.
jordan holmes
That's not good.
dan friesen
They play it up like it's like, no one has ever been here without getting killed.
Fucking fat Wayne Madsen's just walking around with a camera.
There's clearly a camera guy with it, but they're just walking around like, right over here, you see an airplane.
Like, what are you doing?
jordan holmes
That's not good.
dan friesen
You're invalidating your own argument.
jordan holmes
I'm very unhappy with that airbase.
If they are turning planes into drones and their security is that lax, it's like, come on, guys.
dan friesen
No, but this is like 16 years later or whatever.
15 years later, it's now transferred ownership.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
I think it's a run-down airbase at this point.
jordan holmes
Okay, all right.
dan friesen
But anyway, it's a load of bullshit, and I don't really care.
Now move on to October 30th.
And this, I believe, is where some shit gets really serious.
Some shit gets fucking super serious.
Here we go.
alex jones
But the sun is the main driver of climate.
I don't care if the UN passes resolutions saying it doesn't affect climate.
It's the main driver.
And the only thing that's constant is change.
So first it's freezing, global cooling.
Then by the late 80s, it's global warming.
Because we were in a little warming uptick in the larger cycle.
And then when it started cooling again in the last 15 years, first the increase in temperature slowed, then it stopped.
Now it's been declining for about a decade.
That's numbers across the world on average.
jordan holmes
Not true.
alex jones
But there's some record high temps, some record low temps, always in all the little micro-climates around the world.
So now they just say, you know what, we can't lose if we say climate change.
jordan holmes
Because the climate change.
alex jones
With all the huge news I've got today, I open up with that because Vladimir Putin has come out in a speech and in a Politburo statement that we have linked on Infowars.com, red-linked, because this is such a big deal.
Putin, anthropogenic climate change.
He is a geostrategic weapon.
Globalists want to undermine Russia's thriving energy sector and every other country's energy sector or private energy sector not controlled by the globalists.
And Putin 100% hits the nail on the head.
No other major political leader will do this.
Russia had been even going along with the fraud.
But now they're breaking with the globalists on every front.
dan friesen
Oh boy.
Oh boy.
jordan holmes
I just can't listen to that right now.
dan friesen
It's tough.
jordan holmes
There are three hurricanes.
Yeah.
Simultaneously.
dan friesen
And a fourth if you just go a week in the past.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Just fucking destroying everything.
And you listen to these people who have denied it for so long and you're like, look at all the damage you've done.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Look at all of the fucking damage you've done.
dan friesen
And you look at the predictions that were made like, you know, 10 years ago or so and they're pretty much matching up with what's happening in front of our eyes right now.
Yeah.
jordan holmes
How did we not know, Dan?
dan friesen
I don't know.
jordan holmes
How could we have missed this?
I mean, sure, the oil companies themselves knew and made sure that everybody denied it so they could continue murdering everybody.
dan friesen
And sure, Putin has a lot of financial interest in that world.
jordan holmes
Anthropogenic climate change is a hoax.
It's a weapon.
It's a weapon to undermine Russia.
And the private energy sect.
dan friesen
Fuck you!
jordan holmes
Is it possible for us to collectively sue?
I feel like we should be able to sue the oil companies, right?
dan friesen
Yeah, probably.
All the people in Houston should.
jordan holmes
Yeah, we can link.
We can definitely link all of this damage to climate change.
We can definitely prove that they knew that they were causing climate change and that they knew that this was a result of that.
So, I'm pretty sure that they should be shut down.
dan friesen
Jordan, that's...
jordan holmes
Sued to oblivion.
dan friesen
This is one thing, and I'm on board with you, but in terms of our investigation, it's more important that Alex is being fooled by Putin's stance on it.
jordan holmes
Yeah, well, I don't think he's being fooled by Putin's stance on it.
dan friesen
I think so.
jordan holmes
It just dovetails nicely into the climate change denial that they've always had.
unidentified
No, no, no, no, no.
dan friesen
Take that away from it.
Take the climate change part of it out of it.
Alex is being tricked into thinking Putin is smart and a good leader by Putin taking a position that Alex agrees with for the reason that...
I mean, Putin has a strategic reason to deny climate change.
jordan holmes
He's a very direct financial reason.
dan friesen
Exactly, in the same way that these oil companies do.
jordan holmes
Absolutely.
dan friesen
He has the exact same financial interest.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And so, because he doesn't want to lose these billions and trillions of dollars that he could be making if sanctions were lifted...
He is super against climate change.
Odd.
And because he takes that position, Alex already agrees with it.
He's sucked more into Putin is a genius.
He's a great leader.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
This position that he already was flirting with of being very super into Russia is now just going fucking whole hog.
jordan holmes
Full force.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Wow.
dan friesen
Listen to this next clip.
alex jones
I say just coming.
We got to have world government to save us.
Then it was global warming.
Then it's climate change period.
Vladimir Putin has come out and said anthropogenic climate change is a geostrategic weapon.
Kurt Nemo, MLForce.com is big time because Russia's breaking with the globalists on every front.
They didn't go along with carbon taxes before and said they weren't sure it was real.
Now they're saying, look, it's meant to shut down all major industrial economies, not controlled by the IMF and World Bank.
To have a major world leader who's made the world bipolar again, not unipolar in its power.
jordan holmes
That's offensive to my people.
alex jones
To have Putin come out and say exactly what it is is a devastating blow against the new world order.
This is cause for celebration.
And Putin just went up another notch in my view.
Because you know I don't trust him and know what he was part of and all the rest of it.
The point is, he's telling the truth.
He says they want to break up our families.
They want to destroy our cultures.
They want to get rid of our sovereignty.
They want to override us.
They want to sabotage the human condition.
This is a genetic takeover.
I mean, the Russians do listen to this show.
I was told by the head of RT America.
Some stuff that just sounds so unbelievable.
But who would have thought Matt Drudge would show up here?
Who would think top generals, the former head of special forces has been on?
Two different heads of special forces.
I mean, we have the big listeners.
And yes, the Russian government listens to the show.
Then I was told that by RT International, one of their main heads, I'll leave it at that, in a Skype interview, where I was told it was a Skype interview, and it wasn't a Skype interview.
Once they cut to me, they started interrogating me in a big table with a bunch of top Russians that had been asking me questions.
And then they had been threatened to never have me back on RT by the U.S. government.
They were basically asking me who I was, who I worked for, how I could do certain things.
And they were asking me if I was a U.S. government agent or who I worked for.
And I said, I work for Liberty.
But that's the level I'm at where, like a James Bond movie, it's not RT, it's a big table in a government building with a bunch of guys staring at me.
And I see them on TV sometimes, and it's like Russian, you know, leaders.
Putin listens to the show, is the point.
And I'm not giving us all the credit, but when the signal goes out that this is an anti-human shutdown program for austerity, it's game over for the New World Order.
It's game over.
So we have to tell it like it is.
It's a plan to kill us.
It's a weapon system to selectively cut off the energy.
dan friesen
Do you understand what just happened?
Do you understand what he just admitted on air?
jordan holmes
It's fucking crazy.
dan friesen
Do you realize?
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
That's fucked up.
jordan holmes
He just...
So!
I was interviewed by top Russians and they turned me into an asset.
I should not have said that on air.
dan friesen
He just admitted, like, basically, that is where the compromise is.
jordan holmes
Yeah, of course.
dan friesen
And you know what happened?
jordan holmes
They literally shut off the camera and were like, oh, we can use this guy.
Like, that was that simple.
dan friesen
You know what happened in that interview, too?
They told him that Putin listens to his show and that he's a genius.
That's how they compromise people.
jordan holmes
It's easy.
alex jones
Through flattery.
jordan holmes
It's not hard.
dan friesen
That's how you make an asset out of someone like Alex Jones.
Steve Pachenik said it on the last episode.
Paranoid, delusional people are super easy to manipulate.
That is what Alex Jones is.
He just admitted on air that top Russians tricked him into thinking he was having a Skype interview with RT and then grilled him and debriefed him.
That's insane!
jordan holmes
No, that's fine.
dan friesen
This is game over.
jordan holmes
No, it's fine.
alex jones
This is proof.
jordan holmes
It's proof that he's the worst spy in the history of the world.
I was debriefed by the German military, and it's totally fine.
I should not have said that.
I should not have said that on air.
I am a bad spy.
dan friesen
That's why that horn kicked him.
When I heard that, I was like...
I just didn't know what to do.
jordan holmes
How do you deal with a guy who can be that open about it, too?
dan friesen
Well, you keep him on the outside.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
You keep him on the, you don't tell him shit unless he, and you deal with like multiple layers of handlers.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
That's why like Steve Pchenik is clearly feeding him his narratives.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And then there's probably a third stage that gets him back to the Kremlin or whatever.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
You make it so Alex Jones doesn't think that the people who are feeding him narratives are the ones who are taking narratives from Russia.
That way he's like, no, Steve Pchenik's just a great dude.
He thinks I'm awesome because he flatters me every time he's on the show.
It's fucking nuts.
This is so fucking obvious.
And the other thing that's interesting about that is that RT was in on it.
jordan holmes
Yeah, of course.
dan friesen
The idea that they set up an interview with RT and that it's actually spies from high-end Russians, that means that RT is way more of a state outlet than Alex is willing to admit.
jordan holmes
No.
That's fucking nuts.
Anti-globalist, no.
dan friesen
This is so problematic.
jordan holmes
It is kind of weird.
He's making the subtext text.
That's a big issue.
Even the Russian government is trying to be like, no, RT is a media outlet.
It's not a state-sponsored propaganda outlet.
And he's just like, hey, it's a state-sponsored propaganda outlet.
dan friesen
And not only that, they use it to cultivate people.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I know!
unidentified
No!
jordan holmes
Like, what the fuck are you doing?
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
You don't need an investigative journalist when one of the guys is whistleblowing by accident.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
He is proudly revealing that he is now officially an asset of the Russian government.
dan friesen
Well, that's the same thing that he does with his sources.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Like, he accidentally out- It's Donald Trump Jr., actually.
dan friesen
He does that stuff all the time.
He can't help himself because he's on air for three fucking hours a day, and he's- Beaked out on his fucking supplements that maybe should be regulated.
So he's fucking high out of his mind on super male vitality and brain force, and then he's just like, I don't need to talk about this time that I got fucking recruited.
unidentified
I know!
jordan holmes
That's fucking insane!
dan friesen
The other piece of it that you need to unpack is, I don't know if he realizes it.
jordan holmes
Of course he doesn't.
dan friesen
Like, he's telling this story, I don't think he realizes how fucked up this story is.
I don't think he realizes what he revealed.
jordan holmes
Is it like, the only reason...
Because that almost certainly has happened to members of Donald Trump's campaign.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
Which, again, you are supposed to report that to the FBI.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
That way they can deal with that.
dan friesen
There's a lot of possibilities that some of the people were willingly cooperating with...
Yeah.
Yeah.
unidentified
Got tricked into a meeting or something like that.
jordan holmes
And you are, again, supposed to report that to the FBI.
dan friesen
And Alex should have fucking reported that.
Absolutely.
unidentified
Just the base description that he's giving on air, he fucking 100% should have been like, now listen, I don't know what's going on, but I got tricked and ended up talking to high-level Russian government officials.
dan friesen
They were grilling me about whether or not I work for the government.
That's like...
When he talks about being in a James Bond novel, he's kind of correct, but he's not James Bond.
unidentified
No.
dan friesen
He's some real fucking stupid patsy.
jordan holmes
He's the limo driver for James Bond.
dan friesen
No, he's not even that.
He's somebody who gets flipped by the enemy.
He's someone who gets flipped by Goldfinger or something like that.
It's so crazy.
jordan holmes
It's like Homer Simpson in Scorpio.
dan friesen
Now, I know that we could probably talk about that clip for an hour, but...
It's more fun if we just play this next clip because it's even worse.
alex jones
Let's continue here now, shifting gears.
Putin, I mentioned this last hour, it's red-linked up on Infowars.com, but it really is ultra-massive news.
Putin has come out and said man-made climate change is a geostrategic weapon.
To kill populations and destroy sovereign nations and to selectively shut down corporations, not part of the inside global cartel.
And the fact that Putin's now talking about the exact reality is a devastating shot across the bow.
Because Russia obviously already knows all this, but as more and more of this comes out, as Vladimir Putin becomes the Alex Jones of the world, in fact, the only person I guess that could get bigger than me in being a conspiracy theorist, that is reading documents, knowing reality.
And exposing exactly what's going on would be a Matt Drudge.
But who could dwarf Matt Drudge is Vladimir Putin.
So I guess it goes, Putin, Matt Drudge, Alex Jones.
unidentified
I'm like the mini-me now.
alex jones
This is really getting weird.
dan friesen
It is very weird.
jordan holmes
It's really getting weird.
dan friesen
I'm sure Matt Drudge probably doesn't want you bringing him into this.
unidentified
No, no, no.
jordan holmes
So it's Putin shits in Matt Drudge's mouth.
Matt Drudge shits in Alex Jones's mouth.
And Alex Jones works for Russia now!
dan friesen
And so does Matt Drudge, probably.
jordan holmes
Seems like it.
dan friesen
Based on every piece of evidence that we can come up with, they're clearly at least aligned in some way.
jordan holmes
Oh, of course.
dan friesen
And Alex is externalizing that.
He's externalizing the network in terms of saying that...
Matt Drudge.
jordan holmes
Again, he's making this...
dan friesen
Vladimir Putin, Matt Drudge, me.
jordan holmes
He's making the subtext text.
You're supposed to say this under your breath.
You're not supposed to full throat be like, look at all these people who work for Russia now.
Like, dude.
dan friesen
You know what I'm starting to realize is that the reason that he started to have the same guests on every day now, and I think that started somewhere in 2016 or so, the reason is because they need to keep a better eye on him and no one wants to listen to his show.
Uh, do you?
jordan holmes
I was debriefed by the intelligence service agents.
unidentified
Who then gave me compliments.
jordan holmes
That's insane.
dan friesen
And I'm sure that that quote-unquote interview that he had with these high-end Russians was not a situation where they said...
You're so right about everything.
How are you so right?
But I'm sure they did say things like that in the cultivation and flattery process.
It's fucking absurd.
jordan holmes
They had to have been all of them sitting there trying hard not to laugh.
They were like, dude, we thought this was going to be harder.
dan friesen
Yeah, we thought you would be skeptical.
jordan holmes
We thought you would at least be like...
Hey, I like America, and instead you're like, nah, fuck yeah, I'm with you guys!
dan friesen
On fucking Y2K, you said Putin was a demon.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And then since then, you've been pretty skeptical of all authority.
Boy, this is easier than we thought.
unidentified
Yeah!
dan friesen
It's nuts.
jordan holmes
We thought you would be like, oh, this is a conspiracy, and you might even hang up.
dan friesen
Obama should have just said Alex Jones was cool.
jordan holmes
That's entirely possible.
dan friesen
That might have saved America.
jordan holmes
That's entirely possible.
dan friesen
Anyway.
jordan holmes
Hey, Alex Jones, I love what you're doing.
Let me give you some things that I would also love for you to be doing.
And that would be it.
dan friesen
So, this is followed up.
All this huge, like, Russia shit is followed up with a long interview with Dr. Group about Liver Shield.
They have a long interview.
jordan holmes
Of course.
dan friesen
It's surreal.
unidentified
Of course.
dan friesen
It's so surreal.
This show is so weird, because he's admitting to having, you know...
jordan holmes
Light treason!
dan friesen
Yeah, and then, like, I gotta get my hippie non-doctor to come in here and talk about the liver stuff that makes green balls fall out of you.
jordan holmes
Hey, guys, I work for a different nation.
Also, green and black stones should come out of you all the time.
Like, wait, what?
dan friesen
And here's the chiropractor who made the formula.
jordan holmes
What?
Excuse me.
Protect your liver.
Also do whatever Russia tells you to do.
Anyways, moving on.
unidentified
This is not okay.
jordan holmes
Moving on.
dan friesen
So there's a long interview there, and then he has an interview with Jim Mars, who is an old-timey conspiracy theorist.
He's apparently written a book about JFK.
We talked about him in passing like a couple episodes back, maybe like ten episodes back.
But he's in studio, and it turns out he's a fan of Russia, too.
unidentified
Oh!
dan friesen
Yeah, get this.
unidentified
Only people like Alex and some others try to bring you the real news.
For example, the whole thing going on in the Ukraine.
A lot of people don't really understand that.
It's, oh, Russia's making a bad move, you know, because we're getting all this anti-Russian propaganda.
But if you back off and look at it, essentially what happens would be like if we sent the CIA, I mean, the Russians say, take their intelligence service and...
Come over here to Texas and get a bunch of Texans rolled up about, let's secede from the Union.
And I think we all know that's kind of actually happening anyway.
And then Texas does say, we want to secede.
And then the United States said, you know, say, look, you can't do that.
And they would come and try to stop us, right?
Well, it's the same thing over there.
We set up this separatist movement.
We armed them, we egged them on, and now when Russia says, you've always been a part of Russia, you can't do this, now all of a sudden we're turning them into the aggressors.
dan friesen
That is one of the most convoluted, stupid, false versions of what's going on in Ukraine I've ever heard.
Also, let's take this piece out of it.
The people who were trying to secede in California were working with Russia.
jordan holmes
Oh yeah?
dan friesen
And the guy who led that movement fled to Russia.
Or moved, however you want it.
The Cal exit.
jordan holmes
For a group of people so obsessed with saying that the Civil War was a war of northern aggression, for him to all of a sudden be like, no, the United States was right.
We absolutely agree that the Civil War should have ended and we should have been taken over.
Just like Russia should be.
That's fucking nuts.
That's fucking insane.
Believe in something.
dan friesen
Because the area in Ukraine, in Crimea, is not part of Russia.
jordan holmes
No, it never was.
It was part of the Soviet Union.
dan friesen
Yes.
unidentified
But!
dan friesen
That doesn't exist anymore.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
For a very good reason.
dan friesen
And the idea that Jim Mars is saying that we went over there, created an uprising, and Russia is just trying to get this area not to secede from Russia, it indicates to me...
A disrespect of truth and an acceptance...
jordan holmes
A complete non-existence of the Ukrainian people.
dan friesen
Well, and a complete acceptance of everything that is in line with Russian narratives.
jordan holmes
Absolutely.
dan friesen
And on this exact episode where Alex is admitting contact with Russian intelligence officers, that's fucked up.
The fact that he has almost every guest ends up having some weird connection with Russia, or at least espouses amazingly pro-Russia positions, like Jim Mars here.
jordan holmes
You know, that's an interesting...
unidentified
You know what?
dan friesen
I'm starting to think that Jakari Jackson didn't leave because of Trump.
jordan holmes
He got fired because of Russia?
dan friesen
No, I'm starting to think that maybe he sensed how deeply this was a Russian propaganda outlet and got out.
I'm thinking maybe that's the case.
unidentified
You think so?
jordan holmes
I think we should talk to Jakari Jackson.
dan friesen
I don't think...
If either of my suspicions are true, I don't think he'd talk to anybody.
unidentified
Oh, yeah?
dan friesen
And I would respect that, because this...
jordan holmes
Because he might wind up with a note taped to him that says, Call Larry Nichols.
dan friesen
I don't want to laugh about his death, because I like the guy.
But at the same time, the image of anyone dying with a note that says, Call Larry Nichols, is funny to me.
But, yeah, I mean...
If the suspicions that we're really starting to see are true, I think that anybody with actual information that could confirm stuff, it might be a risk to their lives to come out with this.
jordan holmes
Oh, absolutely.
I mean, how many diplomats are going to die before we're like, oh, maybe they are going to kill you, you know?
dan friesen
Thankfully, most of those aren't in American soil.
jordan holmes
Right.
Plenty of them in Britain, though, strangely enough.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Easy argument against anti-Russian sentiment, which is really high for obvious reasons, is that America does the same shit back.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
And the idea that it's like, we're judging them for overthrowing nations is dumb.
Because we've overthrown plenty.
We've fucked over plenty of people.
dan friesen
We've had this debate on the show already.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
It is hypocritical, but it's different when it's being done to us.
jordan holmes
Of course.
But my point is, the question that I'm asking is not just that.
It's that, would our intelligence services be that stupid to just grab somebody?
Is there a left-wing media in Russia?
That is, like, some anti-Alex Jones is just Skyping with the CIA?
dan friesen
I think that the remnants of the KGB probably listened to a couple episodes and were like, we can just phone this in.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's possible.
dan friesen
I don't think it's a dumbness on their part.
I think it's more like...
jordan holmes
They just didn't have to worry.
dan friesen
Who gives a shit?
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Even if it doesn't work, who cares?
jordan holmes
Yeah, exactly.
dan friesen
Even if he gets on air the next day and screams about, the Russians tried to cultivate me.
Who cares?
No one believes him.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
unidentified
It doesn't matter.
jordan holmes
And it did work, and even then, who cares?
dan friesen
Right.
No one took note of what we just played.
jordan holmes
No one said anything about that.
dan friesen
All right, we gotta stop talking about this and move along.
We got a lot to get through.
jordan holmes
Just bananas.
dan friesen
So I don't have audio of this, but I might try and post the video of it because one of the narratives that Alex is pushing on this day's episode here on October 30th is that the EPA came out with a video, like a parody satire kind of video, where they're breaking pumpkins.
They're like smashing pumpkins.
And climate change is fueled by mass farms and the creating pumpkins for a novelty per It does...
Cause a lot of CO2 emissions.
And so the way they were like, we're going to fight back and destroy these pumpkins.
It's satire.
It's stupid.
jordan holmes
It's dumb.
dan friesen
Who cares?
jordan holmes
It's a government agency trying to be funny and that's never going to be good.
dan friesen
But still better than Alex Jones making a parody of the parody.
unidentified
No!
dan friesen
He made a video with Buckley.
Where they were going around and Buckley is like his Igor and bringing him pumpkins to destroy.
And then he starts rambling about how, like, bring me baby pumpkins.
I want to kill babies.
It's terrible.
But as I was watching it, I'm like...
This is as bad as high school projects that I did.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And he's doing this and millions of people are watching.
I was like, man, I shouldn't have quit.
I shouldn't have quit doing sketch stuff.
jordan holmes
Sometimes it's just you gotta keep doing it, man.
unidentified
Yeah, I know.
jordan holmes
Sometimes you just gotta keep going.
dan friesen
It's like, this is low-quality bullshit.
jordan holmes
It doesn't even matter if you're good or bad.
Just keep on doing it.
dan friesen
So, the 31st, Halloween.
alex jones
Samhain.
dan friesen
Yes.
jordan holmes
Samhain.
dan friesen
That's on a Saturday this year, so there's no show.
November 1st.
Alex Jones is hungover, probably, so David Knight hosts.
jordan holmes
Of course.
dan friesen
And we come back on November 2nd, and here's where Alex is at.
alex jones
And then they have the nerve.
jordan holmes
The nerve!
dan friesen
The globalists do.
alex jones
To claim that Russia is there destabilizing things.
It is so criminal.
dan friesen
In Syria.
alex jones
But if you look at the current situation, the gray areas controlled by...
are being defeated.
And so that's why U.S. Special Forces are being put in.
To be basically human shields, hoping that the Russians end up killing some U.S. troops.
And then they can get on the news and say, you deserve to be now attacked, and you deserve to leave Syria, and we're now going to start bombing the Assad forces Russia, and you better pull out, hoping the American people get all stirred up and support that.
But I think they are going too far.
I think they're jumping the shark.
dan friesen
So, sorry about that.
There's a little glitch there.
When he's talking about the map, that's ISIS.
It just says ISIS controls a certain amount of area.
So, Russia's great.
jordan holmes
Russia's great.
I love what they're doing in Syria, supporting Assad murdering his own people.
I'm a huge fan.
dan friesen
And the narrative that he's pushing there is that the globalists are putting our forces in, hoping that a Russian kills one of them in order for us to attack them.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Because their evil plot is to destroy the world.
dan friesen
And Russia specifically.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
Because they're the only country that's fighting against the globalists.
dan friesen
Right, which I'm sure the intelligence agents told him in that debriefing.
jordan holmes
Oh, of course, of course.
unidentified
Are you an American agent or a globalist?
dan friesen
The other thing that's important to point out is later he goes so far as to say that if Russians bomb Americans and kill them, it's Obama's fault.
He takes agency and guilt away from Russians and puts it on Obama.
Because you put those forces there in order to bait the Russians into attacking them.
It's fucking convoluted as hell.
And he's not supporting America at all.
And now granted, I'm not for war either.
I don't want troops killing anybody.
I certainly think that we have no place in a lot of the conflicts we're in.
I don't know.
At the end of the day.
Sometimes you do have to step in and stop atrocities from happening.
It's very complicated, but...
jordan holmes
The more you read about foreign policy, the more you're like...
Nobody knows what to do.
Nobody has any idea what's the best thing to do.
Everybody who thinks they know what the best thing to do is fucking insane.
Everybody who does something winds up fucking things up more.
And nobody knows what's going on.
And everybody's fucking insane.
That's what foreign policy is.
Before, when Obama was president, his foreign policy made as much sense as it could.
Now our foreign policy is non-existent.
dan friesen
And the further thought that I have when I look at this stuff is like, thank God I didn't choose this as a career path.
Thank God I'm not in this mess.
So we're going to go into this next clip.
And it's about immigrants and stuff.
And I want to be clear that this is an instance of Alex Jones repeating very clearly Russian propaganda.
alex jones
By the way, if you put up on TV screen for radio listeners...
You can go to Infowars.com.
We have the map up on screen there at Infowars.com forward slash show.
You can see the areas controlled by Islamic State from the start of their, quote, invasion a year and a half ago until now.
That's just a rebranding of Al-Qaeda under a new flag.
jordan holmes
No, it's not.
alex jones
The same flag, different name.
jordan holmes
Al-Qaeda is fighting against ISIS.
alex jones
And you notice that that conduit goes up into the north out of Iraq.
And that's where the, quote, refugees come in from.
All over the world, radical Islamists have traveled to Iraq.
They're allowed in.
And then they just simply, the Iraqi government admits this, travel up into Syria and then travel from there as refugees into Europe.
That's why upwards of 80% of the, quote, refugees are under the age of 30 and get off the trains and form up in military formations and follow their leaders.
30-year-old, on average, military officers.
Once they get to refugee centers, they are then released and, quote, disappear by the thousands every day into the European culture.
jordan holmes
Not true.
dan friesen
Not true at all.
But also, Alex is really messing up the difference between average and median.
That's one of the things that he's messing up when it comes to these ages.
Also, if you want to say, like, the average is 30, that means...
The 12-year-olds count as under 30. You know that, right?
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Your children count as under 30. It's strange that so many children would want to flee.
From certain death.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
But the reason that I say that this is Russian propaganda is because I've been doing a little bit of looking into the exact nature of this anti-immigrant propaganda that's been going on.
jordan holmes
Uh-huh.
dan friesen
And from what I can tell and the sources that I've been able to find...
Russia is very clearly trying to make the problem of migration worse.
They're doing this to destabilize and turn people against each other in Europe in order to make populations distrust each other.
And sometimes they're like...
Sometimes their propaganda campaigns are super obvious what they're up to.
Like, there was a Russian propaganda attack to Dutch referendum to create a trade deal with Ukraine, as Putin obviously was interested in isolating the Ukraine to make it weaker and more likely to fall into Russian power.
There's an article about this.
In Amsterdam, a month before the vote, I met Dutch officials who seemed openly afraid of the far-right media.
They didn't want to be denounced or mocked in the tabloids or shouted at by thugs in the street.
The government's majority is small, I was told.
Sure, there are lies being told, they said, but we don't want to take the risk of correcting them.
So that is one instance of very clear influence that politicians know is happening, but they can't fight back against it because of the radical people who will make their lives fucking miserable if they do.
That is not so much about the immigrants, but that is about trying to destabilize and isolate Ukraine.
In terms of the immigrants, there's an interesting case study about this girl named Lisa.
Are you aware of this at all?
jordan holmes
Uh-uh.
dan friesen
Okay, so I'm going to read from this article in NATO Magazine about...
jordan holmes
NATO Magazine?
dan friesen
Yeah, it's one of the first...
jordan holmes
It's a very niche magazine.
Are you sure it's not a zine?
dan friesen
I don't know.
jordan holmes
Is it independently produced in San Francisco?
What are you talking about?
dan friesen
It's from...
It is in a factory down south.
That's where it's produced.
So they...
This case of Lisa, it's called the Lisa case, is one of the first instances where people can really directly see exactly the mechanisms that Russia was using to promote a fake story directed at demonizing immigrants, especially Muslim immigrants, which is actually kind of bullshit, because if you look at the statistics, Russia's not afraid of Muslims.
They don't hate Muslims.
If you look at the entirety of Eurasia, they have the highest percentage population of Muslims.
Like, in Europe, the highest is 7.8%, I believe.
In France, Russia has 10% of their population is Muslim.
jordan holmes
And we've only got like 2%.
dan friesen
Something like that.
jordan holmes
Maybe even less.
dan friesen
They don't care about the Muslim part about it.
They're not as bigoted as Alex, even.
They care about making the rest of the world scared of invading hordes.
jordan holmes
They're just exploiting our own current bigotry.
dan friesen
Yes.
jordan holmes
That's all you have to do.
dan friesen
So here's from this article.
The case of Lisa dominated the headlines and impacted on German public discourse for two weeks in January 2016.
The 13-year-old Russian-German girl had gone missing for 30 hours and was reported by first Russian television to have been raped by migrants.
The story turned out to be fake.
In parentheses, the German police were able to establish that she had been with a friend that night.
jordan holmes
Jesus fucking Christ!
dan friesen
But the fake story was intensively reported on Russian domestic and foreign media and ended in diplomatic tensions between Germany and Russia.
In the Lisa case, we see evidence for the first time of several of the different Russian elements that are described in this article working in the coordinated way.
So there's bullet points here.
Yeah.
unidentified
A journalist from the first Russian TV channel picked up the case of the Russian German girl and brought it to the main news in Russia.
dan friesen
Russian foreign media like RT Sputnik and RT Dutch reported on the case.
Social media as well as right wing groups distributed the information on the Internet.
Demonstrations were organized via Facebook involving representatives of the German Russian minority Dutchland Russen as well as neo-Nazi groups.
jordan holmes
Who would have guessed?
dan friesen
Russian foreign media in Germany reported from these demonstrations, which brought it to the German mainstream media.
Finally, at the top political level, Russian foreign minister Sergei Lavrov made two public statements about his concern about the inability of the Russian police, excuse me, the German police and legal system to take such cases seriously because of political correctness.
Sounds a lot like Alex.
jordan holmes
Sounds very similar.
dan friesen
As a result of the Lisa case and the different Russian activities in the context of the Ukrainian conflict, We're seeing a shift in Germany from the dominance of the economy over politics to a dominance of politics over the economy.
Russia has become a security risk.
The relations are increasingly politicized and securitized.
So then there was an interview with a guy, a Hungarian spy, named Ferenc Keterin.
This is a gentleman who...
unidentified
Raptor.
dan friesen
Probably.
That's a fake name.
jordan holmes
It's definitely not a Malaysian name, I'll tell you that.
dan friesen
It's not Hungarian.
So this is a guy who broke cover to tell The Independent about how he had closely monitored and observed how Russia attempts to aggravate the migration crisis by spreading false stories.
He was quoted as saying, When it comes to the events in Cologne or other sexual offenses, they, meaning the Russians, are active in emphasizing that the German or Western authorities and the media are attempting to cover up these crimes.
jordan holmes
I mean, yeah, sure, they don't exist.
Sure, they didn't happen.
dan friesen
No, some crimes did happen.
jordan holmes
No, no, no.
I mean, this one particularly.
dan friesen
Right.
The Lisa case.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
I mean, they are trying to cover up that it didn't happen, though.
unidentified
Right.
They want to make sure that you know it did.
dan friesen
But this is 100% in line with the narrative that Alex Jones spins about migrants.
jordan holmes
Absolutely.
dan friesen
He always talks about how these PC governments in Europe are covering up rape statistics.
He talks about Sweden all the time.
That's another Russian prong attack because they want to destabilize Lapland in order to be able to take out Sweden, Norway, and shit.
This idea that these governments are unable to take care of their own people is to get people against their governments.
Create political strife, political conflict that can either get a government unable to deal with external crises or make them ripe for the plucking.
That is something that Russia has been doing even beyond...
If you go back further, even before they were involved in trying to fuck with our election, they were doing this immigrant shit way before this.
jordan holmes
Of course they did.
dan friesen
So now here's where it gets interesting.
jordan holmes
We're the big get for them.
dan friesen
Here's where it gets interesting.
Nigel Farage...
jordan holmes
Nigel Farage should be fucking murdered.
dan friesen
He's super guilty of pushing a lot of the exact same narratives that end up being false.
Farage echoed the rhetoric of the Sweden Democrats, a political party that has risen in influence by marshalling fear of asylum seekers and advocating for strict immigration policies.
Critics like the Sweden Democrats suspect that the government is colluding with the mainstream media to hide damning statistics of a supposed rape epidemic.
Because he calls Sweden and Malmo in particular the rape capital of Europe.
Now, Sweden Democrats is a misleading name.
They are a proto-fascist.
jordan holmes
I was about to say, of course.
Of course they are.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Nice name, though.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Like how in Australia the liberals are actually the worst people on the fucking planet.
dan friesen
Yeah.
I did a bunch of research into this, and it turns out that the reason that rape statistics are kind of high, even though actually they've gone down...
jordan holmes
Just like crime all across America since the 70s.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
But one of the reasons that if you track it from 2005 to current, the numbers have gone up very high.
And one of the reasons is because in 2005...
Sweden voted to expand what they consider rape.
And so they have a very wide net of inappropriate sexual behaviors that get classified as rape.
So, from 2005 to present, the number looks like it's going up when, in reality, it's just that they consider more things in that category.
Now, further, they have a very interesting legal system.
In Sweden, it turns out...
Now, this is from a Swedish source.
jordan holmes
They believe women?
dan friesen
Well, there's that.
jordan holmes
That's a big problem.
dan friesen
So let's say that this is the example that they gave.
If a woman, like a wife, that's the example they used.
If a wife calls the police and she has a diary where she has in her diary 400 instances of spousal rape that her husband committed against her.
The police will consider that 400 crimes.
So each incident is considered a crime instead of one.
jordan holmes
Yeah, because that's what it is.
dan friesen
Right.
But if one call comes in like that, and this person who was discussing this is like, this has happened before, it makes their statistics look incredibly fucked up.
jordan holmes
Oh, okay.
dan friesen
So whenever there's one victim and a bunch of offenses or...
One perpetrator and a ton of offenses, or one victim and ten perpetrators, it can make things look like there is more actual acts than there actually are, which I think is probably good.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I think it's absolutely good.
dan friesen
I think it's positive, but it does open itself up to being incredible.
jordan holmes
Because she was raped 400 times.
dan friesen
Yes.
jordan holmes
And that is, I mean, I'm sure this is an example.
But that is the point.
That is what should be considered.
And he should be in jail for 400 lifetimes.
dan friesen
Right.
So the issue, though, is that because that is how they classify things and how they keep statistics, it's really easy for people on the outside to make really misleading claims about their statistics.
jordan holmes
So because a foreign country does something differently, you assume they do it the same.
And then you are easily manipulated by it.
dan friesen
Russia perpetuates these narratives and pins it on immigrants and these refugees and people like Nigel Farage and Alex Jones pick up on them and perpetuate them further.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
That is a clear pipeline that's going on.
jordan holmes
The dumb are so easy to manipulate.
dan friesen
Quote Steve Pechenik.
jordan holmes
It is fucking insane.
Like, all of this stuff, just like the crack epidemic in the 80s.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
And how that was used to demonize black people based on an agenda that old fucking white men had.
Like, all of that stuff.
Is done so specifically and in such a targeted manner to the people who are dumb enough to believe it.
And it's just so fucking sad.
It's just really sad that there are so many people who you would otherwise think are normal, fine people, and then they're just manipulated by this dumb shit and become monsters.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Like, all of this stuff.
Like, Nigel Farage is a fucking sociopath who knows.
Who knows that everything he says is bullshit, is a lie, and is going to hurt the people that he's telling it to.
He knows this.
He is an evil human being.
The people who buy his shit are not evil.
dan friesen
No.
jordan holmes
They're dumb.
dan friesen
That's why we always try and make the distinction between the Russians and Russia.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
No, the government is evil.
The people are generally good.
dan friesen
So we gotta...
Hit the gas.
We got a lot to get through.
jordan holmes
We got a lot to get through.
dan friesen
Here is a clip of Alex Jones defending Assad.
alex jones
And so here's the CIA trying to launch a nerve gas attack through their surrogates, but their surrogates are so out of control and so stupid, they run around screaming Allah Akbar, praising the god of death or whatever, that they're nerve gassing markets.
jordan holmes
Hades.
alex jones
And then our media goes, Assad nerve gassed the markets!
And Assad's like, I'm giving all my chemicals up.
I'll do whatever you want.
I'll even step down out of power.
Just take the Saudi Arabian troops out of the country.
jordan holmes
That was a great press conference.
alex jones
He wants to move to England and retire.
dan friesen
Yeah.
alex jones
He was trying to transition the government from his father, a dictator, out of that.
dan friesen
We all know that a lot of dictators abdicate power willingly.
jordan holmes
Oh, no, of course.
dan friesen
Tons.
jordan holmes
He just wants to retire to England.
He just wants to give up all of those billions of dollars and that...
Total control over his country that his family has had for forever.
dan friesen
And he wants to give up his ability to gas detractors.
jordan holmes
Oh, he hates that.
dan friesen
Also, I looked at...
jordan holmes
He's like Boehner.
He just wants to step down.
dan friesen
I looked into this a bunch, too, and all of the accusations that...
The gassings were a false flag, come from very dubious sources, and most have been thoroughly debunked.
jordan holmes
Assad murdered his own people.
dan friesen
This video that Alex is talking about most likely was, I couldn't track it down, I don't know specifically what he's talking about, but I'm 99% certain he's taking it out of context.
I'm guessing it's from something else.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Maybe even in a different country, and Alex has no idea.
So, here's another damning fucking clip.
alex jones
Now, I want to get into some really big news here with Russia.
That ties into all this, and I want to get into the move to arrest people that deny that climate change is man-made, and how that ties into what Putin's doing.
I don't mean to be obsessed with Putin.
He's just involved in everything now, and almost always on the right side, one of the only world leaders actually telling the truth.
I see the comments all over, even on mainstream publications, comment sections from all over the world, that Putin is hope.
That's a quote I see more and more.
Putin is hope.
And it doesn't say much about Putin, does it?
What does it say about us that we have such scum running our country and running the West?
jordan holmes
Alex, love it or leave it!
alex jones
I mean, Putin doesn't let radical Islamics into the country.
jordan holmes
Yes, he does.
alex jones
Putin pays people to have kids.
Putin doesn't teach five-year-olds how to give blowjobs.
I mean, I'm sorry.
unidentified
He pays people to kill kids, too.
alex jones
Putin's cut people's taxes.
Putin's promoting Christianity.
Putin's fighting Al-Qaeda.
They've been loosening gun laws in Russia.
That just shows how unbelievably pathetic this country is.
How overrun with complete trash we are.
dan friesen
You know who those people are who are saying Putin is hope in message boards are?
Bots.
alex jones
No.
jordan holmes
Dan.
It's regular old folk.
dan friesen
Alex is completely falling for the other prong of their influence campaign.
Seeing all these pro-Russian bots pop up and saying Putin is hope.
This is pathetic.
It's not pathetic.
It's treasonous.
jordan holmes
Why didn't...
That's probably going to be the biggest question for Obama's presidency.
dan friesen
His legacy?
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Why didn't he do anything about this?
dan friesen
I think...
I don't know.
To sort of deal with that question, we end up in wild speculation.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
But I would guess that you don't want to start a war.
That might be one piece of it.
jordan holmes
Right!
dan friesen
I think another piece of it might be...
Threats?
Like, backroom threats that have been made?
I don't know.
I don't know.
I don't think we'll know for another good ten years, probably, what the reality was.
Why more wasn't done to combat this?
Because it's very clear now, looking at it.
jordan holmes
And I wonder how...
I would really like to know how Obama feels about this.
dan friesen
I'm sure not great.
jordan holmes
I would hope not.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Otherwise, now I do believe in globalists.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
If Obama's like, yeah, of course I let him take over.
Like, wait, wait, what?
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Excuse me, Obama.
I'm sorry.
unidentified
Wait, wait, what?
dan friesen
He made me hopeful.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Hey, I just wanted to become the caliphate, all right?
I just wanted to take over the Middle East.
dan friesen
So as they're talking about this, they flash up on screen a shepherd fairy, but Putin.
They flash up on the screen a picture of Putin as that hope image of Obama.
unidentified
Oh, man.
dan friesen
Yeah, it's crazy.
So now we get into a little bit of Trump stuff.
alex jones
Here we go.
dan friesen
So our investigation is back on track, maybe?
alex jones
Donald Trump, by the way, we have video of this.
We're going to play it next hour.
Has challenged Obama saying, is Syria policy's bad news?
Putting troops on the ground in harm's way.
And the answer is, back Russia and bombing them.
Join them in targeted strikes, which the Russians have asked for.
And Carson has come out defending Obama's policy.
By the way, Carson is a super smart guy.
They attack him and say he's not really aware of politics.
And I think he's been busy being a brain surgeon all day.
He is not as informed as some of the other candidates.
jordan holmes
Or me.
alex jones
I think he's better than Hillary Clinton.
unidentified
Former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton.
alex jones
That's a big strike again against Carson, along with his forced inoculations BS.
Trump is just better in triplicate.
I mean, if Trump delivers on what he acts like he is, he'll be a great president.
Light years better than Hillary.
The problem is, I think he could be double-crossing us.
He could be working with the Bushes or Hillary.
But if he gets so big, he double-crosses them.
Can we just have somebody that doesn't want to wreck the country?
dan friesen
Apparently not.
But you see there that Trump is indicating alignment with Putin, and this makes Alex warm to Trump.
He is now, instead of saying, I don't trust him, he's adding on a second layer of...
Where before it was, I'm afraid he's going to double-cross us.
Now he's saying, but he might double-cross them, even if he is a mole.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
It's insane.
jordan holmes
I don't...
dan friesen
It's insane.
jordan holmes
I don't know how to...
There's this combination of exhaustion that I think...
And I think it's hitting just about all of us.
Or at least it's really starting to tear me apart.
Where it's like...
These people are always going to believe that Trump is a better president than Hillary would have been.
Which is objectively and truly irrational.
At this point, you're just in denial.
dan friesen
And we can say that even with some critiques of Hillary in our hearts.
jordan holmes
Plenty of critiques of Hillary in our hearts.
dan friesen
Those things are not contradictory positions.
jordan holmes
It is beyond it.
So now we're just dealing with so many people who have to spend so much energy in denial.
Either that or they just stop paying attention.
Those are the only two ways to go about it.
So my exhaustion is just like, I get it.
You're done.
You have no further...
You've got nothing more to say.
Because you are now completely and utterly irrational, I can't...
I can't talk to you.
I can't debate with you because there's nothing.
You have nothing.
The reality is too overwhelming.
It's just like now.
There are three hurricanes hitting our fucking coastlines and people are like, whoa, whoa, whoa.
Let's not talk about climate change.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
Now isn't the time.
Let's not talk about climate change.
dan friesen
No, we do that all the time.
jordan holmes
Like, you have to work so hard.
dan friesen
Don't politicize the issue.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it's not politics.
It's the world being destroyed.
This is no longer a politics situation.
It never fucking was.
You have murdered your children.
That is what you have done.
To everybody who's...
Like, my dad still denies climate change.
Still thinks that, you know, Trump is a great president.
And it's like, here's what you're really in denial about.
If you actually stop and accept the fact that by your actions and by your votes, you have essentially contributed to the deaths of millions of people, specifically your kids.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
If you do that...
The weight has to be overwhelming.
dan friesen
That's probably why you don't want to do it.
jordan holmes
Of course.
It has to all of a sudden be...
The idea of accepting responsibility, accepting a personal responsibility for what is essentially going to be a large-scale human genocide is too much.
So of course you would retreat into denial.
dan friesen
And think about the flip side of this.
For Alex to now flip on Trump is for him to recognize that he was used.
And I'm guessing the weight would be...
Not the same, but it would be very heavy for him as well.
As soon as he gets off the Trump train, he's got to look back on everything and be like, I was used by Russia.
jordan holmes
And he can't do that.
dan friesen
Can't.
Just like your dad can't.
I got to skip a bunch of stuff because we are going to fucking end up at a five-hour podcast.
jordan holmes
How many clips did you cut?
dan friesen
We got a bunch because we got a lot of fucking...
Deep shit like that.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
We have evidence that he's been debriefed by Russian intelligence.
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
And then this episode is going to end with, like, the, I think, we're done.
jordan holmes
The hammer in the coffin?
dan friesen
Yeah.
But I'm going to skip two clips because they are, Alex tells a story of his Halloween party.
jordan holmes
Why would you skip that one?
dan friesen
Because they're long.
jordan holmes
We don't need to get into the deep stuff.
dan friesen
They're long.
jordan holmes
Let's hear about Halloween parties.
dan friesen
They're long, but I'll give you the short version.
He wears a...
jordan holmes
He was debriefed by Russia.
dan friesen
He wears a captain's hat.
And two people come up to him, maybe three, it's unclear, come up to him and accuse him of having a Nazi outfit on.
It's not true at all.
I kept...
There's two of them because he tells the story twice and it's very different each time.
But in the first version, he says that some white girl came up to him and was crying because every costume she could have worn would have been accused of being racist.
jordan holmes
That makes sense.
dan friesen
Did not happen.
jordan holmes
There are so many of those.
dan friesen
This character is mysteriously absent from the second version of the story, but it becomes multiple people who say this to him.
jordan holmes
I remember when I dressed as a Disney princess.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
And people were like, oh, that's racist to imagination.
dan friesen
The other thing that we take away, the only thing I regret we're going to drop.
Is that we find out that Buckley does some DJing.
jordan holmes
Oh, now I'm in.
Now I'm in with Buckley.
dan friesen
Buckley's spinning a little bit.
So we'll skip that.
jordan holmes
Buckley's on the ones and twos.
dan friesen
This clip we can't skip.
And it's the end of the November 2nd episode that we're on here.
And it's just fun because it's what happens when Alex Jones gets prank called.
alex jones
Let's go to Steven in California.
You're on the air.
Then Gene and others.
Go ahead.
unidentified
Hey, Alex.
Welcome.
I'm calling from Communist California here, and I'm a first-time caller.
I just wanted to say how much I love your product.
alex jones
Well, thank you, brother.
unidentified
I'm on DNA4 Super Male Vitality, Deep Clems, Survival Shield, Appropriate Filter for over the past year.
I'm just so amazed by the accuracy of the information that you put out.
I've been listening for like a year and a half now, and everything that you've said has just come to fruition, like the surveillance glimpse.
alex jones
Well, sir, that was always partially declassified.
They would just say it didn't exist nationally and say they were flying saucers, but they got blimps all over the country, and yeah, it's amazing they met.
It's a secret blimp with the Army watching us.
unidentified
Yeah, and now that we have a U.S. Navy missile instructor and many other experts confirming that the Earth is a flat and motionless plane...
alex jones
Oh, you're being sarcastic.
That's a prank call.
That's an ad hominem thing where people, there's seminar calls on that where you call in.
And then you say, oh, you're so accurate.
And then they add something like the earth's flat.
It's a standard tactic.
dan friesen
So I have a couple thoughts about this.
unidentified
Yes.
dan friesen
I think it's possible that was a prank call.
It's not possible that he's being trained by the institutes or whatever to do this.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Or whatever he calls it.
He's talking about the globalists.
unidentified
Right.
jordan holmes
It's also entirely possible that was not a prank call.
dan friesen
That's what I'm saying.
jordan holmes
That is entirely possible.
That is 100% a possible thing.
dan friesen
Yeah, I don't...
jordan holmes
Because there's no smirk on that voice.
dan friesen
No, and the tone doesn't change.
jordan holmes
No!
dan friesen
It seems like he really just wants to talk about the earth being flat.
unidentified
Yeah!
dan friesen
And he loves Alex Jones.
Alex doesn't want to recognize that there's a big overlap between those communities.
The crazy people and people who like him.
There is a massive Venn diagram overlap.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I would suggest there is just one circle.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
There's a big old circle.
dan friesen
So, we skip the third and the fourth, because I don't give a shit.
They're just boring.
On the third, he actually has an interview with Michael Savage, but I don't care.
It's unsubstantial to the matter at hand.
So, we're in so deep that we're skipping an interview with Savage.
And then on the fourth, James O 'Keefe has a new video out.
We're not going to play any of it.
jordan holmes
Project Veritas, baby!
dan friesen
He had some lady who went around to a couple colleges and tried to get the people who work in the student help services offices to shred the Constitution.
jordan holmes
Why are these people so dumb?
dan friesen
If you actually watch the videos, first of all, they're crazy edited.
But at the same time, this girl goes in and she's like...
I found the Constitution that someone handed to me to be triggering.
And you see the people's faces like...
And it's like, how can I be catering to this person, but at the same time not be crazy?
jordan holmes
I want to be supportive because that's who I am.
dan friesen
That's my job.
jordan holmes
I want to support you.
Yes.
I can't just...
Even though I would be in the right, I would at least get a talking to if I said...
dan friesen
Fuck off.
unidentified
Leave.
jordan holmes
You idiot.
dan friesen
The shredding of the Constitution is always the girl who is the mark, or is the plant.
It's always her idea, and people are like, I guess.
It doesn't prove anything.
It doesn't prove that the universities want to get rid of the Constitution.
jordan holmes
It's fucking nonsense.
Also, it's not...
The Constitution.
dan friesen
It's a copy.
jordan holmes
We've got so many of those.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
But at the same time, I get the idea of this being close to book burning or whatever.
Who cares?
It's not important.
The other thing that Alex goes off on on this episode that I thought was...
jordan holmes
See, now it'd be funny if she handed her a Kindle with the Constitution on it.
dan friesen
Shred it.
jordan holmes
Could you shred this?
dan friesen
I'll just keep it.
I'll just keep this Kindle.
jordan holmes
Fine.
dan friesen
So the other thing he does is he goes on a long rant about how men are the defense mechanism for women.
And the womb, women's bodies create men in order to be protecting of them.
It's very weird.
jordan holmes
Kill me.
dan friesen
It's very weird.
jordan holmes
Kill me, Dan.
dan friesen
It's very weird, but it's also really interesting how sexist it is.
unidentified
Because it's sexist in a truly insane way.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
No, because it's the sexism of forced chivalry in some ways.
Because it's like this idea that...
Implied in what he's saying is that women who hate men are rejecting their help.
Like these bull dykes and what have you.
They are rejecting the natural way that is men on a biological level are just created in order to protect women.
That is basically...
jordan holmes
Then why are they so bad at it?
dan friesen
I don't know.
jordan holmes
Why is it that they do all the violence to the women?
dan friesen
It's interesting.
jordan holmes
Biologically, if we were made to protect women, by God, why is it his system winds up with so much domestic abuse and murder?
dan friesen
It's very confusing.
I think it's one of those peyote moments for him, because he's just getting out there.
It's super weird.
Then he has an interview with a guy about China easing its one-child policy.
And it's interesting on one level, and then it turns into a whole thing about relative racial birth rates.
jordan holmes
There it is.
There we go.
White people aren't reproducing enough.
That's a big narrative.
dan friesen
Yeah, so that goes on throughout that.
I just skipped that whole episode because it's really not worth it.
So we get on to the fifth, and Alex spends the first long period of the show.
Talking about how Robert Rodriguez and Quentin Tarantino suck because they don't like him.
And how they're globalists, I guess.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
Then he has an interview with Ron Paul.
jordan holmes
I feel like Quentin Tarantino should really transcend Alex Jones.
Right?
I think he does.
Alex Jones should still be like, look, Pulp Fiction was great.
dan friesen
He actually does say that.
unidentified
Okay.
jordan holmes
Of course.
dan friesen
But it's in the context of...
jordan holmes
He's like, Pulp Fiction was great.
I prefer Reservoir Dogs, and that's why Quentin Tarantino sucks.
dan friesen
He's like, he made one good movie.
unidentified
Come on.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
So he has an interview with Ron Paul, and this ends up being said.
alex jones
What do you make of Putin coming out and saying man-made global warming is nothing but a global government tax to wreck nation-states?
Now the Hungarian Prime Minister's come out and said the treasonous conspiracy to marginalize nation-states.
I mean, I read the Russian news every day.
It sounds like it's libertarian or something.
That's really scary when the foreign press sounds more Americana than America.
unidentified
Yeah, that is a little bit scary.
dan friesen
I bet it is.
jordan holmes
I read the Russian news every day.
dan friesen
And it's Americana.
jordan holmes
It's so American.
dan friesen
That Americana is starting to get weaved in.
jordan holmes
I love that.
Don't you remember Trump's slogan?
Make America Russia again?
dan friesen
Yeah, basically.
jordan holmes
That's fucking ridiculous.
dan friesen
Yeah, and the fact that Ron Paul isn't like, hey, fuck off, man.
jordan holmes
And there's nothing wrong with reading Russian news every day.
dan friesen
No, but be careful.
jordan holmes
But if you believe everything that Russian news tells you every day.
dan friesen
And it's a problem.
jordan holmes
Why is it that Russia...
It's such bullshit that you can have mainstream media is lying to you, but Russia's mainstream media is telling you the truth all the time.
Because it already agrees with the dumb...
Yep.
Fucking think!
dan friesen
And he pulls in Hungary's leader as, like, backup.
It's like, that dude is closely aligned with Putin.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
He's like mini-Putin.
jordan holmes
You know, that's why I always back up all of my positions with, Erdogan told me.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
Totally fine.
dan friesen
So, at the end of this episode, Alex just, I don't know, maybe he wanted to leave early or something, but he just replays the entire Matt Drudge interview.
Weeks.
Past when it happened.
I don't know why he did that.
jordan holmes
Because he's got such a hard-on for Matt Drudge.
dan friesen
Yeah, so the November 6th episode is also kind of lame.
He has a long interview with Peter Schiff, where they talk about his dad dying in prison.
And, you know, rest in peace.
I'm sorry your dad died, but he was not a political prisoner.
jordan holmes
And he was a criminal.
dan friesen
Alex also spends a whole lot of time talking about how David Cross sucks, because I think David Cross insulted him at some point.
I don't know.
Also, Ben Carson is done.
jordan holmes
But did he also do the thing where he's like, Mr. Show was great.
dan friesen
Mr. Show was great.
I think it's actually all about Run, Ronnie, Run.
I think that's what he's mad about.
jordan holmes
Look, I just had high hopes for it, and it didn't turn out to be as good as I thought it was going to be.
dan friesen
Now, Jay Johnson's still great.
Yeah, yeah.
Ben Carson is done.
jordan holmes
I wish they'd let more of Paul F. Tompkins' writing get in there, but that's fine.
A lot of jokes were cut.
dan friesen
Look, we can riff all day, but Ben Carson's officially done on this episode.
unidentified
Uh-huh.
dan friesen
Because it has come out that he lied about having a scholarship at West Point.
And so that's it.
He's done.
Alex has precluded him from being a possible candidate, which really just leaves Trump.
jordan holmes
He was like, okay, we can't let Ben Carson be president.
Let's make sure he's the Secretary of Housing and Urban Development.
dan friesen
I looked at when people dropped out.
And at this point, I think only, like, Rick Perry and Lindsey Graham had dropped out.
Like, everyone is still in the mix.
jordan holmes
Yeah, well, if Trump is the leader, everybody is still in the mix.
dan friesen
Yeah, and no one, like, no one is even close to Trump at this point.
And so the idea that Alex had made it a dichotomy of Trump or Carson, even though he loves Rand Paul and wishes Rand Paul was up there.
Yeah, but Ted Cruz is not, like, even super in the running.
jordan holmes
Because even Alex knows that Ted Cruz is a giant piece of shit.
dan friesen
Yeah, he's a shithead.
jordan holmes
Like, yeah, you can't, look, you can support Ted Cruz all you want, but you look at him and you're like, that's a slimy monster.
I don't need any of that shit.
dan friesen
But now that Ben Carson's done, it really implicitly means that...
Trump is really the only game in town that Alex can go to.
jordan holmes
Especially because Rand was never there.
dan friesen
No.
Also on this episode we found out that one of Alex Jones' ancestors created Dr. Pepper.
jordan holmes
Oh, that makes sense.
dan friesen
Not sure if that's true.
jordan holmes
I buy it.
dan friesen
But.
jordan holmes
I'll believe it.
dan friesen
The only clip I have from this episode.
jordan holmes
In the same way that I believe that Ben Carson had a scholarship to West Point.
dan friesen
Yeah.
The only clip that I took from this episode is Alex accidentally revealing sort of his workflow.
alex jones
Go against whatever the New World Order agenda is.
Just as a default, and then intellectually I can see all the reasons for it.
dan friesen
So, if you aren't understanding what he's saying there, he just instantly goes against whatever this imaginary group of globalists are for in his head, and then later rationalizes it.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
That's what he does.
That's how he creates his positions.
jordan holmes
That's the best way to do things, right?
Start with a feeling and then say or do anything to justify that feeling.
dan friesen
That is not at all insane.
jordan holmes
No, no, no.
That's rational thought.
dan friesen
So, that is on the 6th.
And then we go, the 7th is Saturday.
And we show back up on November 8th.
It's a Sunday.
And it's time for a launch of a new soft narrative.
Sundays are when he pitches stuff out there, and it's like he's workshopping stuff.
jordan holmes
It's an open mic.
dan friesen
Here's how he begins on Sunday.
alex jones
The conflagration of news, the way things are aligning, the perfect storm that's unfolding economically, culturally, politically, militarily, astrophysically, is really legendary.
And they're having a major UN conference to openly bring in world government in December.
We're now about a month and a half out from that week-long conference beginning.
The conference is so important that France, who lobbies to keep all the EU borders open, will be closing its borders coming up in about a week throughout this period because they don't want anybody to come in and cause a disruption.
During the formation of the open planetary government.
You notice they passed the TPP four and a half weeks ago in line with this.
We only Friday got the full text of it, or Thursday got the full text of it.
This is a big deal.
Vladimir Putin is going to be attending, and he will be the only major world leader.
That tells you how sewn up things are at the top of the pyramid.
Who will reportedly say it is a plan to destroy nation states, starve over a billion people, and selectively bankrupt energy companies not controlled by the globalists, which is exactly what the plan is.
Putin came out two weeks ago and said this.
He came out again last week and said it.
He said he didn't buy it completely years ago.
Of course, he knew full well what it was.
But now Russia is under such attack and so encircled.
And they're trying to destroy the energy systems of Russia, and Europe for that matter, that Putin is telling it like it is, and it is a big deal.
dan friesen
This is about the Paris climate talks.
That's the formation of world government.
Very frustrating.
Would you have predicted?
jordan holmes
I'm very angry.
I'm very angry right now, Dan.
Dan, I'm very...
You know how when you get really angry and you just start fucking...
unidentified
Just like, fucking, I want to murder everybody.
dan friesen
Uh-huh.
Stop muttering.
jordan holmes
I just can't fucking do this shit.
dan friesen
Yeah, it's crazy.
jordan holmes
I'm losing my goddamn...
We're all dying!
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
We're all dying because of dumb people!
dan friesen
Yep.
jordan holmes
Fuck!
dan friesen
So, uh...
This is about the Paris Climate Talks.
And here in this next clip, Alex...
jordan holmes
And these fucks don't even...
They still don't care!
dan friesen
Nope.
jordan holmes
They still don't fucking care.
They're going to do everything they can to avoid paying for the destruction that they've caused, and they're going to do everything possible to ensure it continues happening.
dan friesen
Totally.
jordan holmes
I don't understand how this is fucking possible unless you're a psychopathic serial killer.
dan friesen
Or if you've been lied to and you believe that it's the creation of world government that will lead to totalitarianism and the starvation of a billion people, according to the studies that have been done by Lord Moncton, one of other.
Alex Jones's other stupid guy.
jordan holmes
I can't fucking...
I can't deal with this shit.
You are murdering us!
dan friesen
I'm not.
jordan holmes
Not you.
Okay.
It's just...
I...
dan friesen
Jordan?
jordan holmes
We don't deserve continued existence, Dan.
Human beings should be gone.
We should just be gone.
dan friesen
Put a pin in it.
jordan holmes
I've always stated that I've been a soft no on white genocide.
Now I'm a full yes on humans need to go.
dan friesen
You're going to join the vehement movement?
All of us.
The voluntary human extinction movement?
jordan holmes
Absolutely.
dan friesen
Put a pin in it because in this next clip, Alex Jones, he starts by talking about globalist plots and what have you, but then it turns into a weird, aggressive, like, ape.
I know you globalists are listening.
jordan holmes
Sure, sure.
dan friesen
And it's sort of a man going crazy.
jordan holmes
I know the globalists are listening.
Putin, how you doing?
I know the globalists are listening.
Putin, I really could use a golf weekend.
Anyways, the globalists!
dan friesen
I think he thinks that everyone who's not an info warrior is an avowed globalist.
I think that's what he thinks.
Just listen to this.
It's fucked up.
alex jones
And to not let humans develop naturally.
You'll argue there is no natural development.
There's no unnatural mutation.
I've heard it all from the IBM executives and the rest of them.
Okay, I know what you're going to say before you think it.
Talking to people out there that buy into all this crap.
Because you went to some meeting at a university and got...
Pat it on the head because you think you're part of the crew now.
jordan holmes
Instead of going to a meeting with the Russians and getting patted on the head and thinking you're part of the crew now.
dan friesen
He's projecting a little bit.
jordan holmes
A little bit there.
Just a little bit.
dan friesen
Also, he refers to the group a couple times.
Yeah.
jordan holmes
That's actually the sentient beings that make up Dr. Group, right?
The flies.
The sentient group of flies.
dan friesen
We are the group.
No, because I've listened to so much of the show, I know exactly what he's talking about.
He's talking about the 45 group, which is the group that Roger Stone, Steve Pachenik are in.
And so when he talks about this idea that you went to some meeting and people patted you on the head and complimented you, made you think that you're part of the group, that's exactly what his life is.
He was flattered by Russian intelligence, and now he's been brought in.
is trying to promote Donald Trump as president for the interests of a foreign country, and they've made him feel like he's a part of it.
jordan holmes
He's a part of the group.
dan friesen
Right.
unidentified
This is all just...
jordan holmes
And the way that they do that is they made him feel like they were part of his group.
Which is so...
Fucking easy.
dan friesen
It's so easy.
jordan holmes
It should be hard.
dan friesen
You saw that prank caller do it.
jordan holmes
It should be hard.
dan friesen
Maybe prank caller.
alex jones
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
But you see, this is, psychologically speaking, Alex trying to deal with what's happening to him by saying it's what his enemies are going through.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
And his enemies are people who listen to his show that aren't on board, I guess.
jordan holmes
Pretty much.
dan friesen
Let's finish this.
alex jones
You idiots.
I'm talking to new listeners that serve the establishment.
You think you're going to prey on your fellow humans and ascend to the next level?
That's 101!
jordan holmes
Are they still listening?
alex jones
As a rule in the universe that you're going to be absolutely brought down for what you've done.
dan friesen
Who's there?
alex jones
You people are the opposite of the type of spirits.
unidentified
You people are the opposite of the type of spirits.
alex jones
Because you're not even spirits.
You're little greedy bastards.
You're not even alive.
You've lost your souls already.
And you're so dead, you think you're going to merge with a machine and become alive?
If you were alive, you'd know that that would be the end of your humanity.
Not to use a machine to augment you or help you or help you survive.
No, no.
A machine that makes you a god.
A machine that takes over your free will.
A machine.
jordan holmes
Yeah, you should take a pill for that.
alex jones
Give me a break.
A machine made by men.
And you think it's the god.
And you'll want to believe it's artificially intelligent.
You'll want to believe it has all the answers.
And all the answers were laying in front of you.
dan friesen
This is weird stuff.
jordan holmes
What is he talking about?
dan friesen
I'm not sure.
He's on a weird tear on this episode.
I wrote in my notes, this show is a whole lot of nothing.
He spends about 20 minutes talking about how he's always been right about Benghazi and plays some clips.
He spends a good amount of time defending Marine Le Pen.
He complains about trans bathrooms.
He espouses a belief that if you are actually the victim of terrorism, you never talk about it because you don't want to encourage terrorism, which by proxy means that every time someone's claimed terrorism, it's been a false flag.
He also admits that his Sunday show is the only one that is not actively co-produced by GCN because they use a different phone line.
He says that Sunday is the only show that we entirely produce ourselves.
That means he either goes through GCN or there's outside funding.
And that's something he probably shouldn't have admitted.
jordan holmes
The number of things he admits that he shouldn't is staggering.
dan friesen
Five days a week, his show involves...
Some sort of outside influence.
jordan holmes
He's such revealing that all he is is a guy who defines himself externally by what he's against.
And how manly he is.
He has no internal identity.
It's purely, I am against this stuff.
And that's who I am.
I am a person who is against.
I'm against all of these, all of the things.
The globalists.
Like, I don't...
I don't entirely understand those people.
That's a type of person.
No.
The people who define themselves externally.
That's such a weird thing to me, is that you don't have any internal identity.
You don't have any idea of who you are.
If it weren't for these imaginary people, who is he?
You know what I'm saying?
dan friesen
I mean, he likes a good scotch.
He likes beef.
jordan holmes
But does he even like that stuff?
Or is it like somebody told him that...
dan friesen
That's manly.
jordan holmes
Somebody was like, hey, scotch is bad.
And he was like, fuck you!
I'm gonna drink nothing but scotch!
Or he's like, I met a vegan one time and they were like, you shouldn't eat beef.
And he's like, I'm eating just beef from now on!
I love it!
dan friesen
Andy, this pansy vegan, I'm manly, I eat meat.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Maybe.
But here, listen to this.
This next clip is also super revealing.
And it might actually be a piece of his intrinsic personality.
It's incredibly fucked up.
alex jones
I know what I stand for, and I know history.
jordan holmes
You don't know either of those.
alex jones
So being ridiculed or attacked or demonized at a sick level is entertaining, and I repented of that five years ago.
I don't get off on it anymore.
I realize it's part of the danger zone we're in, and I shouldn't get off on being lied about and attacked.
Again, I'm so aggressive and so manly that when I get attacked and lied about, I actually like it.
I mean, it's sinful, and I repent for it.
But the enemy doesn't hurt me when they do that stuff.
It actually, in a sick way, I get off on it.
I've almost gotten to the point where I don't get off on it, and now I realize how serious it is, and I realize it means how important our work is.
But that's just what it comes down to.
Let's go to some phone calls here.
dan friesen
If on a sick level he gets off on people attacking him, it makes sense, and it follows that he would intentionally say inflammatory things.
jordan holmes
Yeah, and then he would do dumb shit in order for more people to attack him.
dan friesen
Right.
I don't know if he should be saying these things on air.
jordan holmes
It's because he's so manly.
dan friesen
He needs to see a therapist.
jordan holmes
It's because he's so manly.
dan friesen
Too manly.
jordan holmes
Too manly!
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
I mean, in a certain sense, that is 100% true.
dan friesen
Well, yeah.
Toxic male.
jordan holmes
In the idea of what a man is, you're just a fucking lunatic.
dan friesen
Yes.
So the rest of this episode is spent with him screaming about a situation at Yale.
Where some students were offended by people wearing racist Halloween costumes and what have you.
jordan holmes
Right, PC police.
dan friesen
And they had a confrontation with the head of student affairs, I believe.
And he was explaining that it is free speech for them to be able to dress in offensive ways.
And the people were like, what the fuck?
You're supposed to create a safe environment for us.
We're being racially victimized by people.
And it is a debate that, you know, I don't think either side is wrong.
Because I think that you should be able to wear racist costumes, but there should be some real consequences for it.
So it is free speech to say and do horrible things, but it's also the most reasonable response.
To be very mad about it.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
The government should not arrest you, but it also shouldn't be illegal to beat the shit out of you.
dan friesen
There's that.
And a private institution, such as a college, should obviously throw you out.
jordan holmes
Should absolutely have the ability to do that.
dan friesen
Should throw you out.
I mean, it's not punishing you for your free speech.
It's that you're creating an environment wherein it's not conducive to learning because people are being victimized for their race.
unidentified
Right.
jordan holmes
Like if you're in a library and somebody brings in a gun.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
That is not a...
dan friesen
Not great.
jordan holmes
Not a safe environment anymore.
dan friesen
Not the way I want to study.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
I definitely don't want a librarian to go, shh, and then get fucking shot.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So, Jordan, are you ready for November 9th?
No.
You ready for this?
This, my friend, is the beginning of the end.
alex jones
Ladies and gentlemen, big things are happening, obviously, here in the United States and around the world.
Thank you so much for joining us today.
We do have two guests.
Phyllis Schlafly, founder of the Eagle Forum, will break down what's happening to Western borders and how to stop the globalist takeover.
Then Roger Stone, who has written a new book dealing with the fact that the Clintons have had a war on women, will be joining us.
He is a historian.
So, that is coming up today.
dan friesen
Roger Stone has arrived.
jordan holmes
This is his appearance.
dan friesen
It is.
unidentified
We found it.
jordan holmes
This is when he shows up.
November 9th, 2016.
We found Roger Stone.
dan friesen
Yep, and Felicity, on the same episode.
What a fucking mess.
Yeah.
So...
jordan holmes
First, we have a monster.
Second, we have a bigger monster!
dan friesen
I don't know which order would be.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's a good question.
dan friesen
But, so the thing that is interesting to me is that...
Alex seems to be unwilling or unaware of the fact or unwilling to tell the fact that Roger Stone worked on Trump's campaign.
In his interview, or his introduction, he only says...
jordan holmes
He's a historian.
dan friesen
Well, he actually calls him an alternative historian.
jordan holmes
That's not great.
dan friesen
No.
jordan holmes
That's not great.
Philip K. Dick was an alternative historian.
dan friesen
So Alex, in all of his introductions for him, it's just he hates the Clintons, he's a historian, he's a writer, he's a dirty trickster, because he even brings up how Roger Stone was behind a lot of those fake conservatives that showed up to shut down the recount in Florida in the 2011...
He even talks about how, oh yeah, he got these fake people to show up and ended up getting George W. Bush the election, which Alex should be against since he hates George W. Bush, but he just doesn't see a conflict there.
jordan holmes
Hey, you gotta give a con man credit when he cons, right?
dan friesen
He doesn't actually get into the fact that Roger Stone is deeply involved with Trump until they're in the middle of their interview, which we will get to, but first...
jordan holmes
You teasing motherfucker.
dan friesen
Alex Jones has to tell you a story about the gym.
alex jones
Welcome back to the Tip of the Spear and the Fight for Human Liberty.
I'm your host, Alex Jones.
This morning I was in the local gym.
jordan holmes
And I killed an 18-month-old baby.
alex jones
There was a personal trainer there, a lady training a middle-aged fellow.
Is this the same story?
And he kept staring at me wherever I was in the gym.
And I don't really care.
I just ignore that.
jordan holmes
Or get off on it.
alex jones
And then I was over on some cable machines.
And the lady kind of comes over with him, and the gym's pretty much wide open, not a lot of people there.
And there's other machines, and I was on this one first.
I've been on there about 30 seconds, and they said, I guess you can use that, but I'm going to want it in a minute, which is not normal etiquette.
You just come over and say, hey, can I use that?
Of course, here.
And I said, sure, actually, I'm done with it.
You can have it now.
They went, oh, no, we don't want it now.
So as I walked away, they go, yeah, that right-winger Alex Jones, man, he's crazy.
And I knew when he was staring at me and she was looking at me and kind of giggling and laughing that they were totalitarians that think they're liberal.
So I turned back and I said, you know who's causing problems in this country?
It's the new left.
They're nothing but totalitarians.
I said, I'm a liberal.
You're not.
You people are bullies.
You people have serious problems.
unidentified
You people have serious problems.
alex jones
But it was like in a movie where I then snapped in my mind and realized that I didn't actually say that to him.
I was thinking that.
See, I've gotten to the point where I can control myself and not say it and just walk away.
Because you're not going to help people like that in most cases.
dan friesen
You legitimately looked worried.
There was a look of concern on your face.
unidentified
That is, like, you...
jordan holmes
If we had a psychiatrist sitting right next to us, they'd be like, oh, that's paranoid delusions of grandeur.
We need to get him away.
We need to get him away from people.
He needs to be Section 7'd and get fucking right away.
dan friesen
Maybe that's the sort of thing that Steve Pachenik recognized.
Oh, this guy will be easy.
alex jones
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
That's paranoid delusions.
jordan holmes
This man is a schizophrenic.
dan friesen
How many of his stories that he tells or he tells off people do you think are those fantasies that he has?
unidentified
Absolutely.
dan friesen
As opposed to the reality of him just like...
I question whether he was actually ever at a gym, quite frankly, at this point.
It could just be him laying around in bed like, man, if I was at a gym and someone was shitty to me, I'd be like, you're not a liberal, I'm a liberal.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that could totally be it.
dan friesen
All of this could just be some sort of weird Jacob's Ladder fantasy, except he's not really dying, but be that as it may.
jordan holmes
I mean, just the line of like, and then they walked away and said, oh, Alex Jones, he's a right-wing nut, and you're like...
They didn't say that.
dan friesen
No, of course not.
jordan holmes
We weren't there.
I can guarantee you they didn't say that.
dan friesen
Absolutely not.
jordan holmes
They were people at a gym.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
They didn't know you.
They just were like, oh yeah, I saw you just got on that machine.
We do a regular routine here.
We're going to use it in a minute.
dan friesen
The lady was a personal trainer.
She clearly works at the gym.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
It's not bad etiquette to be like, oh, you know, we're going to need that machine in a few.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
That's a heads up.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
I know that from the time I spent at a gym.
That is a polite interaction.
Now him being like, hey, you can have it now if you want.
No, no, we don't need it now.
That's not rude either.
jordan holmes
That's a polite interaction.
dan friesen
This is a lunatic.
jordan holmes
It's easy to say he's crazy, but he's really crazy.
He's mentally ill on a literal level.
This man needs a psychiatrist.
dan friesen
He's high-functioning enough.
To, like, live his life and what have you.
And he's high-functioning enough to sell weirdo pills and stuff like that.
But inside, he is cripplingly insane.
jordan holmes
Oh, absolutely.
dan friesen
He is both of those things simultaneously.
And that's why I always get kind of bothered when I see...
The videos that, like, I love Sam Seder.
I think the majority report is awesome.
But a lot of the time when they cover Alex Jones, they deal with it like a, is he crazy or is he manipulative?
As if they're mutually exclusive.
He is clearly both.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And that's why this crazy evil spectrum we always try and apply doesn't really work.
jordan holmes
Not to him.
dan friesen
No.
jordan holmes
He's crazy and evil.
He's all the way on both ends.
dan friesen
He's crevil.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
It's like you turn both knobs up.
It's the high cut and the low cut all as high as you can make it.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So I'm going to skip this next clip because it's another version of the Halloween story that didn't happen.
But you can guess from that Jim story the kind of delusional bullshit that's in his Halloween story.
This is crazy.
I'm starting to question whether Buckley is...
unidentified
There's even a DJ.
jordan holmes
I'm starting to question whether or not Buckley's even real.
dan friesen
I know he's real because I've seen him in some videos.
jordan holmes
That's a paid actor.
dan friesen
It could be.
jordan holmes
It's a hired actor.
dan friesen
It's a Roger Stone prank.
jordan holmes
There it is.
Roger Stone is playing a long game.
dan friesen
I wanted to mostly focus on Roger Stone because it's what we've been looking for forever.
Yeah.
But it turns out that we do need to listen to a little bit of Phyllis Schlafly.
jordan holmes
Oh, God.
dan friesen
They have about four minutes of the interview where they're flirting about how much she loves...
jordan holmes
I never, ever use the C word.
Ever.
It has never been more deserved.
dan friesen
Hold it until the end of this next clip, and then people will understand why it's appropriate.
unidentified
But if you teach them how to read, they'll be able to read some of the great books that are written in the English language that talk about the principle of limited government and why freedom is important and important to work for.
jordan holmes
Just not for women.
alex jones
Well, you've been fighting this fight for over 50 years.
unidentified
But my fight is a good example to the grassroots that you can win against overwhelming odds.
And, you know, I have a DVD called Doing the Impossible in which I show all the odds that were against me when I started the fight against the Equal Rights Amendment.
Everybody was against me.
The president, the Congress, the press.
Everybody you can think of.
Everybody who was important.
The organizations and so forth.
jordan holmes
Because they thought equal rights were good.
unidentified
Now, people haven't got any fight in them.
dan friesen
Oh, boy.
jordan holmes
Do you want to play a greatest hits of Phyllis Schlafly's fucking monstrous behavior?
dan friesen
I mean, that's enough.
I was against the Equal Rights Act.
jordan holmes
She is fucking insane.
That woman has done so much damage.
She is a true, literal monster.
It's one of those things where...
We can prosecute murderers on a small scale, but somebody who has killed as many people as Phyllis Schlafly is untouchable, apparently.
She is a true murderer.
For real.
That woman has led to the deaths of so many women.
dan friesen
Through distrust of medicine, through distrust of...
jordan holmes
Through her influence across the fucking conservative lunatic spectrum.
They picked her up and promoted her purely to influence women.
dan friesen
That was a trick of Barry Goldwater, probably.
jordan holmes
It's fucking evil.
She is a murderer, and there's no other way to describe it.
That is what she is, and I fucking hate her.
dan friesen
She's a mess.
jordan holmes
I can't...
I can't stand that she is allowed to walk free.
dan friesen
I think she's dead now, though, right?
jordan holmes
Not soon enough.
dan friesen
Well, okay.
So, the reason...
I wanted to play that clip just to give everyone a little flavor of, hey, so weird that everyone was against me when I was against the Equal Rights Act.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
So that's fucked up.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
But then...
jordan holmes
Women shouldn't have equal rights, quote, Phyllis Schlafly.
dan friesen
Right, because then what about all this good stuff we have, like being able to be in the home?
jordan holmes
Oh, yeah, yeah.
It's like a shitty comics, like, oh man, I wish I could just stay at home all day.
Like, fuck you.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
Your opinion is fine, but it's fucking terrible.
dan friesen
You're not recognizing the forced part of it that was really the problem that the Equal Rights Act worked against.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
But the reason I needed to keep her interview in is this.
alex jones
Shifting gears into election 2016, what's your expert view on it?
unidentified
Well, I'm kind of hoping that the one guy who could really make a change is Donald Trump.
He wants to make our country great.
A lot of these other people have no interest in making our country great.
And I think he really genuinely does want to make our country great again.
I think he's got a vision like Ronald Reagan.
And I wish him well.
alex jones
I hope he's another Ronald Reagan, but I tell you...
unidentified
He's not perfect.
Even you are not perfect.
alex jones
Absolutely.
unidentified
But anyway, the others, there's something the matter with the others.
Anyway, he's got stuff and courage, and that's helpful.
dan friesen
So, we see there, Alex refers to Phyllis Schlafly as a living legend.
He talks about how much she is an influential piece of his conservatism.
He loves Goldwater as well.
And so, when she comes in and says that she's for Trump, that is not a small thing for him.
And at the same time, she gives him his deflection.
He's not perfect, but neither is anybody.
That is something he will use for the next year of his life.
So, at this point, Alex Jones opens up the phone lines.
And he wants to have people call in who have been victims of PC culture on campus.
jordan holmes
God damn it!
dan friesen
And he goes on to say, like, hey, even if you disagree with me, now you're wrong, but you can call in if you want.
Great.
Great way to host a debate.
jordan holmes
Thanks, dude.
dan friesen
That's going to be awesome.
He goes on to also talk about how when Starbucks had their, like, let's talk about race on the cups.
He's like, they're just trying to stir up racial trouble.
Man, this country was so much better off.
We were getting along before Obama came in.
Like, oh, boy.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Yeah, boy.
jordan holmes
Great, dude.
dan friesen
That's not...
Cripplingly racist as is.
jordan holmes
They did it so much and they're still doing it now.
That idea of like, he wants to make our country great.
dan friesen
Again.
jordan holmes
As though that has any meaning.
They don't talk about how.
They don't talk about what.
They don't talk about anything other than...
I get the general feeling that he wants to make America great.
And that's such a perfect way to deny that you're a giant fucking racist.
It's such a perfect way to deny that you want to kill poor people.
It's just such a perfect way to encompass all of this right-wing bullshit.
By only saying, you know, like, I feel like he wants to make America great again.
dan friesen
And whatever great is, is what it means to you.
jordan holmes
Yeah, exactly!
There's no meaning to any of this shit.
dan friesen
For as much as Alex complains about George Orwell, you would think that he would be able to pick this piece up.
You know, you'd think he'd be able to be like, hmm, this might be some sort of doublespeak.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
But he doesn't.
He doesn't.
He doesn't give a shit.
So, the time has come.
18 episodes of investigation have been leading us to this point.
Roger Stone makes his appearance on the Alex Jones show.
And now we will find out if my prediction was correct that Alex Jones starts supporting Trump as soon as Roger Stone shows up.
jordan holmes
I know my first debate prediction was real bad.
dan friesen
It was pretty bad.
So before they get into any Trump matters, they want to shit on Hillary a bit.
Because Roger Stone has a book about Hillary having a war on women.
And so that's the...
That's ostensibly the reason he's there.
But they start shitting on Hillary a little.
And this one, this is nuts.
roger stone
This is a woman with a volcanic temper, a foul mouth, very short-tempered, very, very greedy.
This is someone who doesn't have the temperament to be president of the United States.
alex jones
Well, as you know, it's been reported, I mean, from FBI agents and others that work in the White House, that she rolls on the floor and chews carpet.
Only the person I know that does that was Hitler.
roger stone
That's pretty amazing.
unidentified
That is pretty amazing.
dan friesen
Yeah, that's great.
jordan holmes
Oh, are you saying that we shouldn't have somebody who has a foul-mouthed, short temper, and is exceptionally greedy in the White House?
Are you saying that's a bad series of qualities to have in a fucking president?
Are you saying that that's not what we fucking need?
dan friesen
What you don't understand is that this is Roger Stone hot-dogging.
This is him showing off.
jordan holmes
Yeah, he's showing off that he can just fucking say whatever he goddamn wants.
dan friesen
And it shows how stupid and gullible Alex is.
I heard she eats carpet.
That's amazing.
jordan holmes
That is amazing.
dan friesen
The FBI has reported that the only other person who's ever eaten carpet is Hitler.
jordan holmes
What are you...
What is that even...
dan friesen
It's amazing.
jordan holmes
What is that?
dan friesen
It really is amazing.
I mean, that clip is amazing.
jordan holmes
It's truly amazing.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So, these next clips are essentially Roger Stone having watched Alex Jones' show, knowing what Alex Jones' rebuttals to Trump are, and knocking them down one by one.
So, the first one that Alex Jones always goes into is...
jordan holmes
Mob connections and don't trust him and he's flip-flopped in the past.
dan friesen
Well, the biggest one is, can we trust him?
Is he for real?
Or is this some sort of a joke?
And here's the answer to that one.
alex jones
Roger Stone's going to be on the Nightly News tonight, getting into even more.
7 o 'clock central.
He was the chairman of Donald Trump's exploratory campaign previously when he thought about running for president.
He was on the campaign until his book came out, and he resigned himself.
He talked to Trump this morning.
So maybe we can pick your brain about Trump, but you were telling me off-air, Trump's for real.
roger stone
Oh, there's no question.
Look, I don't agree with Trump on everything.
We've been friends 37 years.
I very strongly support him for president for one simple reason.
You can't buy Trump.
You can't bully Trump.
He doesn't answer to Wall Street.
He doesn't answer to lobbyists.
He doesn't answer special interests, not the Koch brothers, no one.
Donald Trump is his own man.
He'd be the first president we've had who would really work.
Solely for the American people.
And it's that incorruptibility.
Plus, he's not afraid to take on unpopular politically incorrect stances.
He knows there's something hinky about 9-11.
He knows the immigration system.
alex jones
Well, I know he's suddenly been saying stuff about it, freaking the bushes out.
You were telling me that you're educating him.
roger stone
Well, he's a reader.
The nice thing about Trump is that he's open-minded and he was astounded by what he learned.
That, as you know, Alex, that we had numerous warnings that this was going to happen that went completely unheeded.
And it's just like the birther question.
Trump fearlessly brought that into the mainstream.
You and I know it, but you couldn't get it on CBS or NBC or CNN or MSNBC.
Trump is the guy who brought the whole question of Obama's birth.
And where he was really born into the political mainstream where people could consider it.
And it's why he Zoomed to the head of the polls three years ago.
He should have challenged Mitt Romney then.
I was in favor of going then.
So I remain his strongest supporter.
dan friesen
So I'm going to pause the clip there because that's a load of bullshit.
You see the things, he's deflecting Alex Jones' concerns about whether he's for real or not, and then adding on all the stuff that he knows Alex is super into, racism, 9-11, immigrant fear, birtherism, all those things.
It's just like, oh no, he's so much more than for real.
So now we get to the mob question.
jordan holmes
Okay.
You've really put together a murderer's row of things that I would hate today.
I feel like you curated this episode just to like, Can I destroy Jordan's spirit?
I've made Jordan very angry a lot.
dan friesen
Have a good show!
jordan holmes
Can I just suck his soul from him and leave him a bitter husk of a man?
Like the total perspective vortex from Douglas Adams.
dan friesen
See, you're looking at this wrong, and I'll explain it a little bit later.
But we get to the mob question here.
roger stone
My close friend.
alex jones
What do you expect the Clintons to do to try to come after him?
roger stone
Well, they're already trying to spread this rumor that, you know, Donald was always in bed with organized crime.
Let me tell you something.
You cannot get a New Jersey casino control license and hold one for 13 years if you're in bed with the mob.
It's just not possible.
They have the most stringent laws.
They put a proctoscope right up your derriere and they look at every financial transaction in your entire life.
Donald Trump is clean and they got nothing on him.
dan friesen
That's amazing.
jordan holmes
Isn't that...
The exact opposite of what is true?
dan friesen
Listen, he can't be mobbed up because he works in casinos.
jordan holmes
That is a staggering...
What?
dan friesen
Yeah, but Alex Jones buys it.
jordan holmes
You can't hold a license for 13 years.
Unless you're mobbed up, right?
dan friesen
That's the only way to do it.
Alex buys it hook, line, and sinker to the point where later in the interview, Alex brings up the mob stuff as if he never believed it.
jordan holmes
No fucking way.
dan friesen
He brings it up like, hey, can you believe that people believe Trump is in the mob?
Wow.
In the course of the interview, you see Alex Jones denying things he's said in the past and acting like, no, I never said that.
jordan holmes
Jesus.
dan friesen
In this next clip, Roger Stone gets demonstrative.
roger stone
You know, this country's headed to the toilet.
You know that.
Only Trump can save America, in my opinion, because he's independent of the Washington power structure.
dan friesen
Sure.
Alex Jones says, sure.
Donald Trump is the only one who can save America.
Sure.
Signs off on it.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
Now, here's where the interview gets weird.
jordan holmes
And they don't talk about Save America from what?
dan friesen
Well, it's from the immigrants.
Obviously.
I mean, I think that's the underlying...
Or the globalists.
The globalists and all of their rogue armies of immigrants and shit like that.
And their...
Here, this next one, this next clip?
Real weird.
And this indicates that Roger Stone 100% listens to Alex's show.
There is no doubt that he's keenly aware of where a lot of his...
Where a lot of his interests lie and maybe the parent company's monetary interests lie, this is interesting.
roger stone
Wait until Trump starts talking about monetary reform, because I know his views on monetary reform and the printing press money that we turn out.
alex jones
Can you give us any little secrets?
roger stone
Yeah, he's a hard money man.
He thinks it's time to look at gold.
I can tell you that right now.
Trump understands that the bankers have gone crazy and that the Federal Reserve is not...
Provided for in our government.
alex jones
Well, it seems like he is getting more informed all the time.
When he went after Jeb on 9-11, then I was told by another person that knows him that, no, no, he knows what's going on.
Now you're telling me, and it's on record, used to be his campaign head.
This is wild.
dan friesen
This is wild.
You're seeing Alex get flipped in real time.
jordan holmes
It is amazing.
It's hard not to look at Stone, do this, and be like...
Nicely done.
Well played.
Yeah, exactly.
There's a certain amount of respect for a guy who can just...
dan friesen
Game-recognized game.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
And right on air, too.
Just transparently be like, hey, if I just lie to Alex, he's going to believe me.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
As long as...
Because...
dan friesen
Trump's going to bring back the gold standard.
jordan holmes
Trump doesn't even know what the fucking Federal Reserve does.
dan friesen
He might.
Okay, you're right.
jordan holmes
Trump definitely doesn't know that you want to shut it down.
Trump is certainly not going to go back to the gold standard.
Because then he would be broke!
dan friesen
You know who would, though?
Rand Paul.
jordan holmes
Of course!
dan friesen
So what Roger Stone is basically doing, on a lot of levels, is taking all of Rand Paul's positions and saying Trump believes him.
Taking the things that Alex loves about Rand Paul and applying them to Trump.
But Trump has no interest in the fucking gold standard.
jordan holmes
No!
dan friesen
He has no interest in any of this shit.
jordan holmes
He would go broke!
He's not invested in gold!
dan friesen
He's not a reader.
jordan holmes
No!
Absolutely not.
dan friesen
He doesn't give a fuck about 9-11.
None of this stuff.
jordan holmes
He can't save America.
No.
It's all just grandstanding of a guy who's saying whatever it is he feels like and then repeating back what people tell him they like.
dan friesen
When you have legitimately no ethics and you're a scummy weasel, that's what you do.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
I mean, it's...
dan friesen
So now, the other thing...
That Alex has always had the bee in his bonnet is that Trump has connections with Hillary Clinton and has said positive things about Hillary Clinton in the past.
So this comes up in this next clip, but it's in the context of Glenn Beck because Alex is starting to agree with Roger Stone and doesn't want to admit that he has had concerns about that.
So he says Glenn Beck has had concerns about Donald Trump's connection with Hillary.
jordan holmes
He's too manly.
dan friesen
Too manly.
jordan holmes
He's just too manly.
dan friesen
Too manly.
jordan holmes
He loves to man up and own his position.
dan friesen
He has to pimp out Glenn Beck in order to even raise the question that he wants to talk about.
jordan holmes
What a manly man.
alex jones
Most of his work.
He doesn't like Donald Trump.
And I understand some of the reasons because of his past political activities, just being a businessman in New York when Hillary was a senator.
But, I mean, so far he is saying the right things and he's better than the other candidates.
roger stone
Yeah, look, I like Glenn, and I look forward to asking him what his beef is with Donald Trump.
People do evolve politically.
I don't think Trump was all that politically aware or interested when the country was stronger and he was building his business.
jordan holmes
He is right.
roger stone
He's played the game.
If you're a businessman, if you don't put campaign contributions into the pockets of the politicians, they don't even listen to you.
It's not that you're buying favors.
You can't even buy an audience, and you have an obligation.
When you have thousands of people working for you to get your point of view in front of government.
So sure, he has a relationship.
And frankly, his attitude was, we have a federal limit on donations.
So the first ten politicians who walk in, give them the maximum, send them on their way, they're all worthless anyway.
And now when they show up asking for money, say, oh, I'd love to help you, but I've already hit my legal maximum.
alex jones
Well, I know this.
We did have a president that wasn't actively trying to put us into world government.
and the TPP, it'd be like untying a boat from the dock when the engine's on.
We are tied up.
I mean, they're fighting to keep us politically and financially suppress to control us.
All you gotta do is cut that out And what Alex Jones did right there at the end is give Roger Stone more things to tell him Trump is going to do.
dan friesen
Or in this case, actually, Trump did do that.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
unidentified
Fucking...
jordan holmes
This is sad.
This is so sad.
dan friesen
This is remarkably sad.
Because Roger Stone's excuse doesn't involve why did he go to their wedding?
Why did they invite them to his wedding?
jordan holmes
Roger Stone is making me feel bad for Alex.
It's just watching a man explain Santa Claus to a child.
It's just all imaginary nonsense.
dan friesen
You're getting a view of how easy that Russian meeting was.
Those Russian spies interrogating Alex.
jordan holmes
It's this easy.
Wow.
I've heard that Putin does bad things.
No, Putin's fighting the globalists.
Hooray!
Everything Putin does is great now.
dan friesen
Well, you know, Alex has very frequently said, I have from secret sources, that he's secretly a Christian and is secretly defending Christendom.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
How much do you think that comes from spies that he accidentally talks to in fake interviews with RT?
jordan holmes
Man.
dan friesen
It's crazy.
It's crazy.
So we got one more clip.
And this is where I think Roger Stone pulls out the death blow.
roger stone
He's sick of the whole political correct agenda.
He understands that freedom is on the ropes.
alex jones
And he's saying that gun-free zones are places for crazy people to go kill.
roger stone
The guy, he's carrying.
Anytime you see him, trust me, brother, he's carrying.
He's had a concealed carry permit in New York, which they don't give out.
They're very hard to get.
alex jones
Oh, and the media acted like it's weird that he'd want to have a gun when he's a target.
roger stone
How many death threats do you think he gets a week?
I mean, it's extraordinary.
And they ask us not to talk about it.
alex jones
Well, that shows how warped it is.
roger stone
Yeah, exactly.
alex jones
But he gets a lot of death threats?
roger stone
Oh, well, sure, because he's speaking out on a lot of controversial subjects.
alex jones
But you do say he's tripled his security.
roger stone
He's tripled his security.
He himself carries.
Both his sons are gun enthusiasts.
Very active hunters and gun enthusiasts.
They both carry.
alex jones
I love it.
roger stone
You know, they're strong believers in the Second Amendment.
alex jones
Oh, if he was president, he'd carry.
Well, you know Obama's not carrying anything, but maybe...
roger stone
Reagan carried.
Reagan had a holster, you know, on his calf.
He was carrying about 80% of the time.
When he was running for president and when he was president.
alex jones
Well, you're crazy if you don't.
Everybody's like, hey, let the cops have guns.
Well, what about us?
roger stone
Yeah, and I'm sure he wishes he was carried when Hinkley tried to take him out.
Or Hinkley and others tried to take him out.
alex jones
Just like the Sirhan Sirhan crap.
dan friesen
Reagan may have been carrying, but he also probably had a strap-on.
It wasn't a gun.
It was a strap-on.
jordan holmes
If only RFK had been carrying when Sirhan Sirhan shot him.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
And also, Reagan has been fucked in the ass.
dan friesen
According to that guy whose name I can't remember.
But, like, you see it.
You see it there.
Like, that's the transformative moment.
I believe the moment where Roger Stone is saying he loves guns.
He's carrying all the time.
His sons are big gun supporters.
You hear Alex say, I love it.
And then he's like, then we'd have a president who carries.
unidentified
Yep.
jordan holmes
And then he...
dan friesen
That's it.
jordan holmes
Just giant boner right there.
dan friesen
That's it.
Now, that's the last clip I have.
jordan holmes
So it did eventually come back to guns.
Like, that's where we kind of started with that couple of ideas of, is it racism?
Is it guns?
dan friesen
Well, racism's in there, too.
jordan holmes
Oh, absolutely.
But the death blow is guns.
And of course Trump isn't carrying!
Are you fucking insane?
How could you possibly believe that?
dan friesen
I don't think he has the manual dexterity to hold a gun.
But be that as it may, that's the last clip.
And at the end of November 9th, Alex does not end up saying, I support Trump, or anything like that.
But you can tell in his tone that he believes everything that Roger Stone is telling him, and this is going to get integrated into his worldview.
I predict within Two days.
He is going to come out and say that he supports Trump.
I'm guessing it will be that quick.
I don't know yet.
But that, to me, this episode is the end of me being curious.
jordan holmes
Yeah, Roger Stone did it.
dan friesen
Well, it's...
jordan holmes
Roger Stone and Russia did it.
dan friesen
That's right.
Russia set it up.
And then Roger Stone was the point man who knocked it over.
jordan holmes
He knocked it down, yeah.
dan friesen
That's it.
Roger Stone picked up the spare.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
And it was a very easy spare.
That was not a 7-10 split.
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
That was just the one.
But, I mean, I think...
jordan holmes
And it's so transparent.
It's just like...
dan friesen
They did it on air.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
I know.
Like, Roger could have done 20 minutes of research listening to a couple of clips and been like, Alex, like this, this, this, and this a lot.
So I'm just going to say Trump does all that.
dan friesen
Yep.
jordan holmes
And that's it.
dan friesen
Yep.
jordan holmes
And Alex is going to believe me.
dan friesen
Yep.
jordan holmes
It's that simple.
dan friesen
Because of the groundwork that's been laid by Alex's pro-Russia positions, because of the fellow member of the 45 group, Steve Pchenik, coming in and feeding Alex the narrative that Trump knows everything, he's on the right side of things.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Alex was primed from a week ago when Pchenik was on.
You remember that Alex said that Steve was asking to come on.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
He was asking to come on as a setup.
Later, when Roger Stone shows up, mysteriously on his book tour, they don't talk about his book much.
They just talk about how great Trump is.
My investigation is over, but I'm going to keep going.
jordan holmes
Just to hear the day.
Yeah.
unidentified
You have to have the denouement.
dan friesen
Yeah, we know what happened now.
I think you and I and our policy wonks out there know...
A story that no one else knows.
There is a massive...
I don't know what the exact connection with Trump and Russia is.
I don't know.
But we know damn well that Alex has been compromised.
Alex is an asset for Russia.
And he's a gullible fuck being used by the members of the 45 group.
The Steve Pachenik's...
I don't know the rest of the people who are in it, but Roger Stone, for sure, that he's being used as a puppet on their part in order to get Trump elected, probably serving Russia's interests.
jordan holmes
Absolutely.
dan friesen
It's very, very, very clear.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Game over.
dan friesen
Congratulations, everybody.
jordan holmes
We made it to the end.
We figured out the knowledge that we needed, and now we're all back to being impotent.
It is kind of funny that there's a certain amount of silliness to the idea that all of these powerful, secretive, brilliant men are...
Have to go to a dumb, paranoid, delusional, schizophrenic and do the minimal amount of convincing for them to then get access to millions of people.
dan friesen
Well, yeah, it's because they couldn't do it themselves.
jordan holmes
Right, of course not.
dan friesen
Alex Jones has laid the groundwork of years and years of radicalizing and fringifying his audience to the point where there are millions of people who are up for grabs.
And it is a brilliant strategic move to tap into that because they're not going to leave you.
They're brainwashed to a great extent.
I don't mean that everyone who listens to InfoWars is, but a lot of people...
You can see it in the trends of the calls.
You can see back when Alex was saying that Trump was mobbed up, the callers were saying that.
When Alex started to say, I like what he's saying, but I don't trust him, every single caller mirrored that.
I guarantee within a week, everyone's going to be saying, hey, Trump is awesome.
He is our only hope.
jordan holmes
And he's already had callers trying to convince him that Trump is awesome.
dan friesen
Sure, a couple.
And then you also have callers that I haven't even, like, I haven't kept in everything just because, I mean, we don't want to make this a five-hour podcast.
But there are callers who talk about how great Putin is.
There are callers who call in and say that Russia is the good guy in Ukraine and Syria.
It's just...
You know, they talk about Rush Limbaugh fans being ditto heads and just signing off on everything Rush Limbaugh believes.
That's nothing compared to Alex Jones.
And the reason he's dangerous...
jordan holmes
He has a smaller but more fervent audience.
dan friesen
Yeah, definitely smaller but more fervent.
Yeah, you're right.
But the reason it's dangerous is part and parcel of his indoctrination of his audience is convincing them that they're free thinkers.
It's fucking insane.
So...
I was listening back to an old episode of ours, and we've come a long way.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
I was listening back to an old episode where I was making the argument that Alex is not someone who's involved with Russia.
He's just an idiot.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
And we've come...
jordan holmes
Full circle.
dan friesen
And all it takes is listening to his goddamn show.
jordan holmes
No!
It's not even like we did a shit ton of investigative journalism.
dan friesen
I mean, I did research into these specific narratives and showing, convincing myself, at least, that, oh, he's not saying a true thing.
It's not real.
What he's complaining about, it has its roots in Russian interests, whether it's destabilizing countries or demonizing immigrants.
So, I mean, it's not that hard.
It's very clear.
And the fact that on this episode Alex admits that he got grilled by fucking Russian intelligence and didn't do anything about it, I mean, that's all you need to know.
That clip alone could be our investigation.
jordan holmes
Pretty much.
dan friesen
That clip and the Roger Stone interview are all you need.
All the rest of it is just proof.
Just more proof.
jordan holmes
It has been a fun journey, though.
There's been a surprising number of twists.
I know we're not done.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
I mean, with our investigation.
dan friesen
At least the curiosity piece.
jordan holmes
Yeah, there have been a surprising number of twists and turns all along the way where we're both going back and forth on what it is he's doing, what's going on.
And then the fact that it just fucking...
Funneled in so quickly to, oh, Russians compromised him.
Roger Stone has made him part of his team.
dan friesen
Well, Roger Stone, that was my first prediction.
But the context surrounding it, I could never have predicted.
jordan holmes
Yeah, no, this is nuts.
dan friesen
So, yeah.
jordan holmes
So, what is it?
So, now that we know he's a Russian propaganda front.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Is there anything we can do?
dan friesen
No.
jordan holmes
Like, do we do something?
dan friesen
I don't know.
Tell the media, I guess.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I guess.
dan friesen
But here's the thing.
If any media wants to cover this, you've got fucking 80 hours of proof to go through.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
But, um...
I don't know.
I don't know what we can do.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it's terrible to imagine they would do their job.
The job they get paid money to do that we're doing for free.
dan friesen
Yeah, tell your friends.
Tell everybody you can.
I mean, I don't know.
Does anyone care?
If you know people who would care, let them know.
Post about this on Reddit, on subreddits.
I'm not involved in any of that Reddit world, so if you are, please.
Put this information out there.
We've demonstrated fairly clearly some really fucked up stuff no one knows.
And, hey, if you can get the word out, get the word out.
If you can't, I appreciate you listening, and that's enough for me.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Because what do we want to do, get killed?
I don't want to get killed.
jordan holmes
I don't know.
I'm still...
I'm kind of cool with being killed.
dan friesen
All right.
Well, I hope you don't get killed before...
jordan holmes
Look, everybody dies.
Not everybody gets killed because they discovered Russian propaganda.
dan friesen
Discovered Alex Jones as a front.
jordan holmes
Yeah, exactly.
There are plenty of ways to go.
That one's not too bad.
dan friesen
Ironically, he's a cutout.
The thing that he accuses Al Gore of being.
It's insane.
So...
I hope you don't die before tonight at 8 p.m. Central when we'll be broadcasting live at twitch.tv.
jordan holmes
It's not really ironic.
It is purely...
I'll let you get the plug in again.
I know, I know.
It's the entire Republican strategy of doing something, obviously, and then just saying that, no, we're not doing it, they are.
dan friesen
That's it.
And it's Alex's psychological...
Sort of blueprint.
It's his fingerprint.
It's what he does.
Honestly, if we were looking at it with that knowledge from the beginning, I bet we could have predicted this.
Possibly, yeah.
But since that sort of revelation and the trends...
jordan holmes
Well, I mean, frankly, the moment we heard him say, people accuse me of being a Russian agent, is like, oh, you're a Russian agent.
dan friesen
Like, holy shit.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
That's you.
dan friesen
Yeah.
And now that we have the information that he loves people attacking him and he gets off on it and that he has psychotic breaks where he pretends that he's standing up to people, it really brings into focus a very harrowing picture of an easily compromised man who's suffering so much.
And I want to be empathic.
My heart wants to go out to him because it's clear he's in a lot of pain.
But because the way he expresses his pain hurts millions of people, I don't know.
We'll be back.
We'll continue this investigation until we get the Americana 2.0 George Washington Reborn shit.
jordan holmes
And if you'd like to listen to us tonight on Twitch TV!
unidentified
Twitch.tv slash KnowledgeFight.
dan friesen
We will be there discussing modern day Alex Jones.
We'll be live.
There's videos.
You can see how long my hair is.
jordan holmes
It'll be our first live video podcast.
It's going to be wacky.
dan friesen
Starting hopefully at 8pm sharp.
But we will see.
And because people might be curious about that, we will not be releasing those episodes as podcasts.
So as not to overwhelm the iTunes.
I know we have a lot of listeners in foreign countries, and if you can't have access to those things, like those websites are blocked or something like that, let me know.
Send me an email at knowledgefight at gmail.com, and we'll try and figure something out to send you.
MP4s or something like that.
So we'll sort it out, and I hope you're interested in that at all.
Because I've done a lot of work preparing this, and it'd be real shitty if no one cares.
jordan holmes
It would be a bummer, that's for sure.
dan friesen
Almost as much of a bummer as finding out that Alex Jones is this dumb.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
But our website, if you want to go check it out, knowledgefight.com.
Got links, got all kinds of things on there.
jordan holmes
And you can follow us on Twitter, at knowledge underscore fights.
dan friesen
We're on iTunes, where you can subscribe, leave a review of the show so people can find us more easily, so the rest of the world can know that Alex Jones is a compromised asset of a hostile foreign power.
That would be a nice thing for people to find out.
jordan holmes
It would be good if that knowledge was spread far and wide.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Also, you can find us on Facebook!
You can check us out there, leave a review, send a message.
I always like to communicate with peeps.
jordan holmes
Yeah, you know, and what I hear from so many people who are anti-vaxxers, you know, a lot of them are Russian propagandists, but I'll tell you, there's one guy in specific who I don't know if he's a Russian propagandist.
dan friesen
He might be.
jordan holmes
He very much might be.
dan friesen
Who knows?
jordan holmes
Again, CIA dentist made him Russian teeth.
dan friesen
Yeah.
I mean, We don't know anything about this guy.
jordan holmes
No!
That's our next investigation.
dan friesen
Well, that's part of this investigation.
He just hasn't shown up yet.
jordan holmes
That's true.
dan friesen
We're talking about a man by the name of J.R. I want to know who shot him.
unidentified
That's a reference that nobody should get.
dan friesen
No one shot him because he's anti-Vex.
jordan holmes
But there's just one thing that I would want to say to him.
dan friesen
Are you related to Michael Rappaport?
jordan holmes
That's a good question.
dan friesen
He's not.
jordan holmes
Spelled differently.
Spelled differently?
Yeah.
Anyways, the point being, go fuck yourself, John Rapoport!
alex jones
Andy in Kansas, you're on the air.
Thanks for holding.
unidentified
Hello, Alex.
jordan holmes
I'm a first-time caller.
unidentified
I'm a huge fan.
I love your work.
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