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#80: October 16-26, 2015

In Knowledge Fight’s October 16-26, 2015 episode, Dan Friesen and Jordan Holmes dismantle Alex Jones’ baseless claims—from framing George Soros as a Nazi to falsely accusing Peter Sutherland of Ireland’s EU-driven decline. Jones repeats debunked theories like the "gay bombs" in tap water and Hitler’s alleged British setup via Rudolf Hess, ignoring Nuremberg trials and Soviet-era propaganda. His promotion of sovereign citizen myths and pro-Putin narratives (via Steve Pieczenik) exposes a pattern of adopting extremist, racially charged, or historically misleading rhetoric to stoke fear, often aligning with Russian disinformation. Ultimately, the episode reveals Jones’ role as an amplifier of fringe conspiracy theories, normalizing absurdity while failing to hold figures like Rand Paul accountable for similar pro-Russia stances. [Automatically generated summary]

Participants
Main
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alex jones
infowars 25:18
d
dan friesen
01:40:02
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jordan holmes
01:01:26
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steve pieczenik
06:48
Appearances
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joel skousen
00:49
r
ron paul
rep/r 01:15
Clips
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hillary clinton
d 00:16
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Speaker Time Text
alex jones
Andy in Kansas, you're on the air.
Thanks for holding.
unidentified
Hello, Alex.
jordan holmes
I'm a first-time caller.
unidentified
I'm a huge fan.
alex jones
I love your work.
I love you.
dan friesen
Hey, everybody.
Welcome back to Knowledge Fight.
I'm Dan.
jordan holmes
I'm Jordan.
dan friesen
We are a couple of dudes who like to sit around, have novelty beverages in our mouths, and talk about Alex Jones.
unidentified
Jesus, wow, that's a weird start right there.
jordan holmes
I love having novelty beverages in my mouth.
dan friesen
That's not a bad definition of what we do.
jordan holmes
No, I understand that.
It just doesn't have a great.
Anyways, Dan, how much do you know about Alex Jones?
dan friesen
Tons.
jordan holmes
I put zero Alex Jones in my mouth.
dan friesen
I put them mostly in my ears, if I can be perfectly honest.
That is a good thing.
jordan holmes
And you shove them down my throat.
That's what you do.
dan friesen
Indeed.
And our listeners' throats.
That is the theme of the show, and we're thrilled to be back with another episode.
Hope you all had a wonderful Labor Day.
Shout out.
jordan holmes
Absolutely.
We're recording this on Labor Day, which to me is a more important day than 9-11 or Memorial Day or Veterans Day, because this is a day that commemorates all of the thousands of people who were murdered mercilessly at the hand of our oligarchs.
Yep.
So everybody enjoy, celebrate, and let's start a revolution.
Fuck it.
Why not?
Wait, is that actionable?
Is that a crime?
dan friesen
I don't think so.
Revolution's vague enough.
jordan holmes
Revolution is vague enough.
dan friesen
Let's start a revolution of everybody coming to our show.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
At North Bar this Saturday.
jordan holmes
Where we will be announcing our candidacy for Supreme Rulers.
That would be fun.
dan friesen
This Saturday, the 9th of September at 9 p.m. at North Bar.
jordan holmes
That is this Saturday.
dan friesen
Yeah, holy shit.
It's creeping up.
jordan holmes
That's crazy.
dan friesen
We have very little prep.
jordan holmes
We've prepared almost nothing.
dan friesen
A lot.
Tons.
Don't tell them that.
That's true.
jordan holmes
Okay, good point.
Good point.
dan friesen
Don't snitch to the audience that we don't know what we're doing.
jordan holmes
Don't snitch.
dan friesen
To be fair, what kind of preparation do you do at all for this show?
jordan holmes
Shut up, Dad.
dan friesen
Okay, fine.
jordan holmes
I'm putting up flyers.
dan friesen
All right.
unidentified
No, that's not.
jordan holmes
And you know what?
That's prep.
That's prep.
You know what?
I contributed my girlfriend making us a poster.
dan friesen
Thank you to your girlfriend.
jordan holmes
It's almost like, yes, she made an incredible post.
dan friesen
Wonderful.
It's up on the website at this point.
jordan holmes
Yeah, we'll definitely tweet out.
unidentified
For sure.
jordan holmes
Absolutely.
dan friesen
But anyway, we'd love it if you'd come out at 9 o'clock.
If you'd like any more details, please feel free to email us at knowledgefight at gmail.com.
jordan holmes
It's also at North Bar.
dan friesen
Correct.
jordan holmes
Right around North.
North and Western.
dan friesen
Right around there.
You have to walk a couple doors down.
jordan holmes
I apologize.
dan friesen
Don't fucking send people over to that hot dog.
unidentified
You have to walk exactly four doors down.
dan friesen
Give or take.
So let's get into it.
Today is going to be an investigation episode.
unidentified
You forgot.
jordan holmes
What are we drinking, Dan?
dan friesen
Sparkling ice.
jordan holmes
All right, move on.
dan friesen
Jerry Lymade.
We did it.
So today we're going to be going back to 2015.
We're going to be covering the stretch from, let me get the start date here, October 16th to October 20, I don't know, 26th, I think.
I think that's where we end.
jordan holmes
All right.
dan friesen
The last five episodes that we're going to cover.
jordan holmes
Get ready for this level of preparation.
September 9th at night.
dan friesen
The last five episodes that we're covering are just David Knight hosts for a week.
So we're just going to dismiss them out of hand at the end.
So the actual stuff we're going to be covering is the 16th to the 22nd of October in 2015.
But before we do that, here is an out-of-context drop from Alex Jones.
alex jones
Jar Jar Binks has a Caribbean black accent.
He has gray skin in episode one and was a giant flop.
It wasn't because he had an African slash Caribbean accent.
Okay.
Me, like he.
jordan holmes
Oh, boy.
alex jones
Oh, boy.
It was because it was ridiculous.
It was a stupid character.
And you aren't going to have Caribbean islanders a long time ago in a galaxy far, far away.
dan friesen
Fair point.
What's up?
jordan holmes
I don't understand.
Well, I think I just don't understand my own feelings.
I hate Jar Jar Binks.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
And somehow he made me hate Jar Jar Binks less.
Yeah, because what just happened there?
Yeah.
dan friesen
Empathize with the guy.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Anyone who's happening.
So in one of these episodes, we're not going to get.
jordan holmes
Is that even a Caribbean accent?
dan friesen
I don't think so.
I don't think so either.
jordan holmes
I think he's wrong on every count other than that Jar Jar Binks sucks.
dan friesen
I think he's being a little racist.
jordan holmes
He has to be being racist.
dan friesen
But be that as it may, at one point in this stretch of episodes, we're not going to be going over it, but Alex gets into the hot debate at the time about whether the new Star Wars was anti-white because there was a black character.
Wait, the black character.
jordan holmes
In episode 7?
dan friesen
Yes.
jordan holmes
And he was arguing whether or not it's anti-white.
dan friesen
The trailer had come out, and in very ugly circles online, it had been decided that the movie was anti-white because there was a black stormtrooper character.
jordan holmes
I hope he never watched Rogue One because that is Antifa to Akeem.
dan friesen
I hope we one day get to that movie review.
But his statement on it was.
jordan holmes
As is Star Wars.
Literally every part of Star Wars is Antifa.
Somehow, our dumbass political system, even the fucking bullshit centrist Democrats, and Trevor Noah can go fuck himself.
He can go right fuck himself off.
dan friesen
Don't disagree.
jordan holmes
It is that it's always the guys who are fighting against fascism are the ones we're fans of.
But when people actually fight against fascism, people are like, hold the fucking phone.
dan friesen
Right.
You'd be like, hey, why are those guys shooting that thing?
That's violent.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
They're spaceships and shooting at that big orb up there.
jordan holmes
You know what my issue is?
The Death Star?
That caused a lot of property damage.
So that's a big issue for me.
dan friesen
There's no doubt.
Yeah, yeah.
So Alex's take on it is that it's not anti-white.
It might be anti-male, however.
jordan holmes
Oh, of course.
dan friesen
Because why does that matter?
jordan holmes
Because there's a female male character.
White women.
No, of course.
We're back in Ghostbusters territory.
dan friesen
He's sick of it.
He's sick of seeing strong female leads forced down his throat.
jordan holmes
I can't think of any reason why.
dan friesen
He's furious.
But then he finally lands on, it's not anti-white.
We just hate this black guy because he's a bad actor.
You've watched.
jordan holmes
What are you talking about?
Have you even seen Attack the Block?
He was amazing in that movie.
dan friesen
He just watched this trailer.
That's it.
jordan holmes
I fucking hate it.
dan friesen
Yeah, it's very weird.
So anyway, that was the out-of-context drama.
jordan holmes
Now, Jar Jar Binks.
Let me get into this.
alex jones
If he is.
jordan holmes
If Gungins live underwater.
All right.
What are they doing fighting on land?
They're not prepared for that shit.
Their armies clearly have trained underneath the water.
How did they have so much effect?
dan friesen
I don't know.
jordan holmes
This is an issue.
dan friesen
So Alex mad at Star Wars.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
There's no doubt about that.
But on October 16th, he starts out the show.
And throughout a whole lot of the show, angry at something else that you might deem a piece of nerd culture that might surprise you quite a bit.
alex jones
I mentioned the new Captain America, who's black, who texts out racist white people who want to have a border because the racist white people are down at the border murdering Hispanic families.
Yep.
How dare you, cowards, kill the innocent Hispanic women?
I, Captain America, will now kill you.
We support the Constitution in America.
We are the death serpent.
Remember Red Skull?
He was Hydra with the Nazis?
Here he is Marvel Avengers.
Here's the issue for everybody.
This is 004 from, what, two years ago?
Look who Red Skull has working for him.
Alex Jones.
That's right.
I work for Red Skull.
You didn't know I worked for Red Skull against the white Captain America who's now been killed by the colour.
jordan holmes
White Captain America?
alex jones
And we have the captain's white Captain America.
It wouldn't be bad if they got a black Captain America.
I don't care.
jordan holmes
Yes, you do.
alex jones
Black Green Lantern, whatever.
jordan holmes
Yes, you do.
alex jones
But see, it has to be a black Captain America.
We'll put the new article up because the black Captain America takes on the all-white, evil serpent group.
jordan holmes
Yeah, think about it.
alex jones
And the Mexican families beg, please don't kill us, but don't worry.
jordan holmes
Which side would you be on?
alex jones
Don Johnson killed that pregnant Hispanic woman.
It didn't really happen, but it doesn't matter.
dan friesen
So I just want to pause there for a second.
jordan holmes
He does not understand fiction at all.
dan friesen
No, because he's talking about Don Johnson killing that pregnant lady.
That's from Machete.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I know.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
What is happening?
dan friesen
He's furious at fiction stuff because he thinks that other people will think it's real because his mind can't integrate reality and fiction.
He thinks everybody's brain works like his, or they're just so stupid that they'll think anything that they see in fiction is a depiction of reality.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I don't understand why he doesn't get that it doesn't matter.
Like, if you're going to go for pathos, generally, the guy murdering innocent Hispanic women is the bad guy.
Generally, regardless of I mean, of course, if you go back through American history, most people think that the Americans are the heroes whenever they murdered innocent Hispanic women.
dan friesen
Yeah, there is a rich history of that in our country.
unidentified
Also, how did he say that sarcastically?
dan friesen
What part?
jordan holmes
How dare you kill innocent Hispanic women?
Like, wait, if you're saying that sarcastically, don't you kind of think that that's okay?
dan friesen
I think that that's just him losing control of his tone.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Because I think that what he's trying to get at is like, it's not real.
I think it's more of that.
Okay.
I think it's the how dare you depict white people murdering Hispanic pregnant women at the border in a fictional novelization or movie.
How dare you do that?
That's more what he's saying, I think.
jordan holmes
That seems obvious, though.
dan friesen
Yeah, I don't know.
This is a weird fucking thing, and I don't have a whole lot of it, but throughout this entire episode on the 16th, he spends a combined 35 minutes screaming about Red Skull and how Marvel has put him in the comic books and how it's like, they're just trying to trick everybody.
They're all dumb.
They're going to see Alex Jones here working for Red Skull.
They're going to think, of course, he works for Red Skull.
jordan holmes
At the same time as he's working for Putin, the most literal parallel to Red Skull that there is right now.
dan friesen
He's at very least bolstering Putin.
jordan holmes
Of course he would work for Red Skull.
dan friesen
Speaking of which, let's get to this next clip where he discusses modern-day Red Skull.
In this clip, he discusses accusations that people are throwing around willy-nilly that Russia has any culpability in Ukraine and Syria.
alex jones
Well, Russia didn't start the fight.
Russia has two international military bases, not 400.
Russia doesn't put fluoride in their water.
Russia doesn't force inoculate.
Russia isn't trying to take my guns.
Russia isn't saying the founding fathers are bad in Marvel comics because they can't get copyright lawsuits.
Compared to the absolute traitorous.
Russia's trying to stop the massive radical Islamic flow into Europe.
Russia's openly saying George Soros wants to destroy America and Europe.
Russia has openly banned more than seven groups, George Soros funds, in Russia, who he admits is there to overthrow the government.
dan friesen
I don't think he did that.
alex jones
I mean, how bizarre is that that a weirdo Nazi collaborator who's almost 90 years old runs MSNBC, The Huffington Post, Media Matters, and scores of other organizations, and all they do all day is attack Alex Jones, Matt Drudge, WorldNet Daily, Free Speech, Talk Radio, and the Russian government.
dan friesen
Oh, boy.
That last part there.
jordan holmes
If he doesn't like old white men running networks, wait till he hears about Roger Ailes.
dan friesen
He's going to be pissed.
I think he has mixed feelings about Roger Ailes.
That at the end there is really troubling for me.
That list that he puts together of supposed allies, I guess, the people who George Soros and his team are against.
Matt Drudge, Alex Jones, WorldNet Daily, the Russian government.
jordan holmes
So would you say that he's aligning himself with all three of those other things?
dan friesen
I think it's very clear.
jordan holmes
It's very obvious.
dan friesen
He's already said.
I love Matt Drudge.
I think he's the coolest guy in the world.
He pimps WorldNet Daily a bunch.
Loves it.
Jerome Corsi at this point still writes for WorldNet Daily.
jordan holmes
Wonderful.
dan friesen
He's deeply involved with them before he makes the jump over to InfoWars.
Great.
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Lateral move on Corsi's part.
dan friesen
I think it might be a downgrade because I think InfoWars is eventually going to go down hard.
Whereas WorldNet Daily will fly under the radar, probably.
jordan holmes
That's possible.
dan friesen
But at the same time, this is really troubling.
This is really fucking awful.
This whole time, we've been, you know, I think we've been wrestling ourselves with the idea of whether or not we can be comfortable saying that Alex Jones really loves Russia, probably more than America.
jordan holmes
He loves Russia more than America.
dan friesen
It's becoming very clear to us.
jordan holmes
It's obvious.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
That's like, look, all Soros does is take down Alex Jones, Matt Drudge, the German government, the Italian fascists, and the Japanese bombers.
And it's like, what did we do wrong?
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
Like during World War II, that's him.
dan friesen
Yeah, for sure.
And even if you want to take a step back and be a little bit more cautious, I would say, at this point, because we don't have anything definitive, but you can definitely say without any exaggeration is that he is clearly seeing his narratives in Russia.
He's clearly presenting Russia as this embodiment of his ideas.
jordan holmes
Oh, yeah.
dan friesen
They don't fluoride the water.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
dan friesen
They love Christianity.
They start wars.
jordan holmes
Keeping the radical Islamists out of Europe.
dan friesen
Everything he hopes for and screams about is embodied by Russia.
How could he not be aligned with them?
jordan holmes
Of course.
dan friesen
It's fucked up.
jordan holmes
What's interesting about that is he first starts with Russia only has two international bases.
dan friesen
I think it's four, but yeah.
jordan holmes
Or whatever.
At the same time, though, he is saying that Russia is keeping radical Islamists out of Europe, which is like, so you're saying that they keep all of Europe safe?
Or are you saying that they're keeping European Russia safe?
Because that seems more like what you're paying attention to.
dan friesen
I think that might be the case.
jordan holmes
I don't think Russia particularly cares about Portugal.
I don't think they care.
dan friesen
I think Alex isn't wrestling with the idea of why do they only have four bases.
He never recognizes that a lot of the stuff, he's like, why is everyone so mean to Russia?
It's like, because they keep encroaching on their neighbors.
jordan holmes
I can't say anything.
dan friesen
They keep annexing shit.
jordan holmes
Nah, nah, nah.
dan friesen
Like, there's stories that come out pretty frequently about them just taking a farmhouse.
Yeah.
This is now Russia.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
unidentified
Yeah, we now have eight more feet of Russia.
jordan holmes
It seems like they're using the same strategy that Israel uses on the West Bank, where it's totally we live here now.
Bye.
It's almost like the strategy we used.
dan friesen
Yeah, in our entire history.
It definitely feels a lot like, are you really going to attack us over eight feet?
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Really?
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Yeah.
dan friesen
It's a very passive, aggressive way of annexing land.
Yeah.
But I think it gets even worse.
Here's the next clip that Alex goes on.
He wants to say more great things about Russia.
alex jones
Russia in 1991 turned off its air defenses and stopped doing patrols outside the country.
jordan holmes
Couldn't afford them.
alex jones
They try to respond by moving heavy weapons and nuclear weapons up to the border of Russia and by sending in color revolution teams to bring Russia down.
But George Soros gets up there.
And he fought against Russia when he was a young man.
For the Nazis.
dan friesen
Nope.
alex jones
In police and secret police activities.
dan friesen
Nope.
alex jones
And now we have to sit here and look at him a lie and say that Russia is attacking Europe.
dan friesen
I mean, there's so many fun lies just in that 35-second clip.
jordan holmes
Yeah, even his regular narrative about Soros doesn't have him helping invade Russia.
dan friesen
Yeah, and working for the Nazi secret police.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Nah, dude.
Look, all of the.
Regular lies are lies enough.
Why are you ramping it up?
dan friesen
Well, whenever he's called to answer for why he believes that Soros was a Nazi collaborator, the only answer he can ever give is that interview that he did with 60 Minutes.
And we've gone over that.
It doesn't say that he was a Nazi collaborator.
It doesn't even come close to touching on Nazi secret police operations against Russia.
It's fucking bizarre.
This goes back to the gun-free UT, the saying it was Bloomberg-funded, saying it was CIA tactics.
jordan holmes
He's just making this shit up.
dan friesen
There's nothing behind this.
And then the other stuff, I mean, it's just pathetic pandering for Russia and just twisting a very pro-Russian narrative that doesn't match history.
jordan holmes
And even then, it's such a specific pro-Russian narrative.
Like, he reveals a lot by knowing exactly.
1991, they pulled their stuff away.
And you're like, you would never know that unless somebody who wanted that information to go through your mouth told you.
Because he would never be able to pull anything like that out.
unidentified
Hmm.
dan friesen
That's interesting.
jordan holmes
Come on.
Do you think he read anything about that?
dan friesen
I know that he's read 50 books on the American Civil War.
He's read 30 books on Lincoln, 40 books on Andrew Jackson, 57 books on World War II.
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
He does list off the number of books he's read.
jordan holmes
None on the Cold War.
dan friesen
We'll get back into that here in a little bit.
But for now, Alex is done talking geopolitics because the rest of this show gets a little weird.
The 16th, Alex is in a strange state, and it actually ends up leading to some pretty classic moments.
But before it does, Alex is still mad about Marvel.
He's still mad about them depicting him as a servant of Red Skull.
And so as he's going out to break, he wants to come back.
jordan holmes
He would prefer he was a servant of White Skull.
I mean, totally.
dan friesen
Come on.
He calls his audience to action here as he's going to break, and it's pretty absurd.
alex jones
We're getting more reporters, more camera people, more investigative journalists to cover more, to get in the face of the system more.
Doing our part.
Up in our game against the globalists in the face of their counteroffensive.
We're on the march.
The Empire is on the run.
InfowarsLife.com for the Nutraceuticals.
InfowarsStore.com for the t-shirts.
The Hillary for Prison.
All of it.
We're in a culture war.
By the way, we're bringing down McDonald's.
We're bringing down Monsanto.
If you start now, it may take a decade.
jordan holmes
I'm on your side.
alex jones
We must do it.
They're the enemy.
No one supports Disney.
100%.
Absolute boycott.
They are the enemy of the world.
They hate America.
They hate Christians.
They hate your family.
unidentified
Okay.
jordan holmes
Yep.
Disney.
unidentified
Yep.
jordan holmes
Notorious.
Well.
dan friesen
They are involved with Marvel.
jordan holmes
Disney, notorious Christian haters.
dan friesen
Totally.
jordan holmes
If you recall, Walt Disney was famous not for his anti-Semitic views.
dan friesen
No.
jordan holmes
No, it was that he hated Christians.
dan friesen
Well, he hates Christians because he allows people to put dicks in the background of those movies.
It's cartoons.
Yeah, I think that's just an extension of Marvel hate at this point.
Just based on my.
jordan holmes
Oh, yeah, absolutely.
dan friesen
Disney owns Marvel.
Yeah, my analysis of this episode, I'm leaving out a ton of the stuff where he's just rambling about Captain America, but he's just like.
jordan holmes
That's fun because I actually kind of want to hear more rambling about Captain America.
dan friesen
I assure you, it's not good clip form.
alex jones
Okay.
dan friesen
If you want to go back and listen to this whole episode, do not.
Thank you.
That would be what I'd have to do.
jordan holmes
Yeah, no, thanks.
dan friesen
So he's going to boycott McDonald's, Monsanto.
jordan holmes
Monsanto should be destroyed.
Sure.
Monsanto should be torn apart.
They're evil.
They're true evil.
dan friesen
This is one little piece where we can agree with Alex.
jordan holmes
McDonald's is like, I would say 60-40 evil at this point.
dan friesen
Yeah, yeah, I agree.
I mean, it's not the highest priority in the world.
jordan holmes
Let's take down food producers first.
dan friesen
I do love going out to break where it's like, it's a hard break.
So, you know, you've got that voice coming in.
It's like, they can't skip this commercial.
And so he has to keep talking until the exact moment the feed drops.
He says, I've got to boycott.
It might not happen overnight.
It's going to take a while, but we will take down Disney.
They hate your family.
unidentified
All right.
dan friesen
See you on the other side.
Then he comes back from commercial.
He's like, hey, everybody, how's it going?
Just not mad at all.
I fucking love that fakeness.
It's so fucking fake.
So he will.
jordan holmes
Does anybody promote traditional family values more than Disney?
dan friesen
Well, no, because they promote multiculturalism.
You have all these different ethnicities of princesses.
You know, that's not traditional family.
jordan holmes
I don't know.
dan friesen
There are a few.
Fair enough.
I walked down the wrong road there.
So Alex wants his audience to boycott a bunch of businesses on his behalf.
Yes.
So far, let me check my watch.
They're still in business.
jordan holmes
Oh, has Disney still doing all right?
dan friesen
McDonald's kind of went there this morning for how did the how did Rogue One work out?
jordan holmes
Was that a pretty big movie?
dan friesen
I think they made a few bucks.
jordan holmes
They made a few bucks on Rogue One.
dan friesen
Okay.
But Alex is not like this kind of, he's not the kind of guy, not the sort of demagogue who's going to sit around and issue commands to his people and not do something himself.
jordan holmes
Oh, of course.
dan friesen
He is about.
jordan holmes
He's got to walk the walk.
dan friesen
He's about direct action.
Oh.
And in this next clip, he explains what he's about to start doing.
unidentified
Okay.
alex jones
Humans a disease.
Humans a parasite.
Humans a cancer.
You've heard it.
They tell you how they hate you all day, how they hate me all day, how they hate our babies all day.
And then they sit there and go, but we love all the immigrants and anyone that doesn't want an open border and the Border Patrol shipping people in and completing the smuggling process.
It's just outrageous.
So, you know, I'm going to do this next week.
Buckley, Saturday after two.
I'm going in the evening, five o'clock, six o'clock, and I'm going to meet people in a middle-class neighborhood.
I'm going to go to Terrytown, a liberal area.
jordan holmes
6 o'clock checks.
alex jones
And I'm going to knock on 50 doors with a handout, and I'm going to say with a camera, I don't care what they do, hi, I'm a migrant, and I'm going to start trying to push my way in saying, I want dinner.
I want you to give me money.
I'm not going to threaten them.
When they say no, I'm going to go, what do you mean?
Give me your money.
I'm a migrant racist.
I'm going to do it because it's total mind control.
It's crazy.
I can't go to Guatemala and show up and demand free stuff.
We're on the march.
Ah!
This is crack watching.
dan friesen
It's a great plan.
alex jones
Ah!
dan friesen
I can neither confirm nor deny that he followed through with this plan.
jordan holmes
I'm going to go with, it's a dumb plan to start with.
dan friesen
It's not great.
jordan holmes
You would knock on the door and they'd be like, who the fuck are you?
Oh, shit, Alex Jones.
Are you Alex Jones?
Why do you have a camera in my face?
I'm not threatening you.
Are you shitting me?
Look at you.
Yeah, you're your very existence is a threat.
dan friesen
You're fucking Royed it out like crazy.
Your veins are bulging.
You're threatening me.
jordan holmes
And you've got a camera and you're like, give me food.
unidentified
And you already said you're going to push in through the door.
dan friesen
That's a B and E.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
But be that as it may.
jordan holmes
Thankfully, he doesn't have a concealed carry license.
dan friesen
I could spend a little while getting into the logic problem of his sort of stunt and what the issues would be there.
jordan holmes
The number of issues that he is wrong on in that one, like, here's what I'm going to do.
I'm going to knock on doors.
Already, that's wrong.
If you're going with your metaphor for immigrants, they don't knock on the door.
They go through an entire process.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Like, there's so much stuff.
dan friesen
To get food from a neighbor.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
Like, he should have to bring in like different, like a whole folder with a whole booklet of, like, here's all of the shit that I've got.
Please give me food.
And then the neighbor would be like, okay, you have filled this out properly.
However, I am going to need multiple references.
And we are going to need a six-month probation.
dan friesen
There's a waiting period for you to get this sandwich.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
From then, it's like we got to wait five years before you're capable of getting benefits from your neighbors.
So we will see you in 2020, Alex Jones.
dan friesen
I predict that the most likely thing that would happen is if he went and knocked on the door and he was like, hey, how's it going?
They would be like, whoa, you're Alex Jones.
And then they would reference this next clip.
alex jones
And they fly over and spray you with some hallucinogens.
You can look that up and then hit you with, you know, Jesus and Muhammad fighting with lightsabers.
Believe me, folks start flipping out.
By the way, they didn't just test it.
They sprayed them with gay bombs.
If you're a new luster, just type in Pentagon tested gay bomb on Iraq.
They considered it, no, they didn't consider using it.
They've used it on our trips.
In Vietnam, they'd spray PCP on the trips, Jacob's ladder.
You think PCP, some horse tranquilizer, something?
They got stuff that'll whack your brain permanently.
Brain chips in the trips.
They give the trips special vaccines that are really nanotech that already re-engineer their brains.
Now, there it is, the gay bomb.
Look it up for yourself.
I mean, this is what they're.
What do you think tap water is?
It's a gay bomb, baby.
Tap water.
And I'm not saying people didn't naturally have homosexual feelings.
I'm not even getting into it, quite frankly.
I mean, give me a break.
You think I am like shocked by it?
So I'm up here bashing it because I don't like gay people.
I don't like them putting chemicals in the water that turn the friggin' frogs gay.
Do you understand that?
Serious crap.
I'm sick of being social engineered.
It's not funny.
jordan holmes
It's pretty funny.
dan friesen
That's a classic Alex Jones clip.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I remember that one.
dan friesen
That's one of the big ones.
jordan holmes
I suppose we'll have to redo the intro bit, and I'll have to say, all I know about Alex Jones is gay frogs.
dan friesen
And Tapwater, that's a gay bomb.
jordan holmes
That's a gay bomb, baby.
Baby.
That's a gay bomb.
That's a gay bomb, baby.
dan friesen
Sounds like me.
So the other thing is that the gay bomb, it's a theoretical weapon.
jordan holmes
Widely popularized theoretical weapon.
dan friesen
Theoretical weapon.
jordan holmes
I believe it factored heavily into a 30 Rock episode, if I recall.
dan friesen
And the idea of it was that they would drop female hormones or pheromones onto a battlefield that would become associated with other males, and you would end up wanting to fuck all the people in war.
jordan holmes
Are we sure our military isn't dumb?
dan friesen
Well, they're into a lot of theoretical ideas.
And sometimes these theoretical ideas that don't really work out are leaked.
And that's when things get weird.
Because this is not something that could successfully be done, I don't believe.
unidentified
Right, right.
dan friesen
But be that as it is.
jordan holmes
I feel like a lot of DARPA projects are really just like the writer's room of a sitcom had a couple of days off, and they're like, give us some ideas, shoot some shit around.
And they're like, gay bomb?
I don't know.
dan friesen
Let's try it.
jordan holmes
Let's give it a shot.
dan friesen
So the other thing is that at the end of that, where we just cut this clip, we'll get right back into it.
When he's going, he's banging on his desk like a gorilla.
And papers are flying everywhere.
He's just knocking over all of his stacks of paper.
And they are all blank.
I don't want to.
The frog's turning gay.
He's just knocking papers everywhere.
And it leads to, like, immediately after this.
alex jones
Okay.
Damn it.
I just dropped a bunch of stuff off the shot of here.
I need those articles.
Somebody get burning.
I apologize.
jordan holmes
Why, why?
alex jones
You're never going to get to that.
I've done this in months, and I just cannot handle it anymore.
I apologize.
I apologize.
Jesus, forgive me.
unidentified
He won't.
alex jones
Let me just get back to the news.
Thank you.
Children becoming hunchbacks due to addiction to smartphones.
Again.
Weather outlook.
Big snow for Northeast.
Relief of Thirsty, California.
Record snow.
dan friesen
Why are you getting into the weather report?
jordan holmes
Yeah, record snow.
Record snow.
dan friesen
We got weather on the nine.
jordan holmes
Look, look.
Children becoming hunchbacks, phones, record snow.
This makes perfect sense.
I would have hated if he had lost that one.
dan friesen
I just love the powerless moment that he has of like, I can't go get those pages I knocked off the table.
I need those because I don't have a plan.
I don't know how to do it.
jordan holmes
Not at all.
dan friesen
No.
That's kind of humanizing and pathetic.
jordan holmes
Every part of him is ultimately pathetic.
dan friesen
But, you know, with the amount of shit I listen to of him and how much I have to engage with this, I really do cherish the moments where he screws things up for himself.
Like, I love the moments when there's a problem that he has created, which is he's furious about the gay bomb and turning trucks.
jordan holmes
Is it really?
dan friesen
He's probably faking that.
But then he starts banging on the table just to make it look like he's even more mad.
He ends up knocking over all of his headlines and he has to get someone to help him.
That's a great little narrative arc.
It's silly.
jordan holmes
It's the Alex Jones show in a microcosm, really.
dan friesen
I believe you're correct.
jordan holmes
He gets very angry and fucks shit up for him and him alone.
And his listeners, of course.
dan friesen
And we are all metaphorically the people who have to pick up that paper.
unidentified
Ah.
dan friesen
Because we're inconvenienced by the aftermath of his bullshit.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Oh, man, I think we just figured it out.
dan friesen
More or less.
The socio dynamic part of this.
jordan holmes
And all of it is run by Russia.
Yeah.
dan friesen
He does have a Russian working there named Daria that every time he brings her up, he's like, she doesn't work for the government.
Makes me think she might work for the government.
jordan holmes
She might work for the government, right?
unidentified
The amount of times he says, she doesn't work for Putin.
dan friesen
All right.
I think you doff protest too much.
jordan holmes
So of course she does.
dan friesen
I'm not making that accusation at all.
jordan holmes
Also, if a volleyball flies at her, she moves her hand after it's already gone.
That's a reverence to Daria.
dan friesen
So this next clip, Alex Jones, as we know, is a man who had a couple formative experiences in his life in terms of getting him down this weird right-wing path.
Right.
You know, Ruby Ridge was big for him.
Of course.
The Waco was huge.
jordan holmes
CIA dentist.
dan friesen
And of course, the Oklahoma City bombing was a very big for him.
There was a false flag in his conception.
I've done a bunch of looking into stuff that he says, and he's not right about a lot of stuff.
But here's one thing that I also don't think he's right about that is an interesting wrinkle in the Oklahoma City argument that he makes.
This is not an argument he brings up very often when he talks about Oklahoma City.
It's weird.
jordan holmes
Gay bomb?
alex jones
Kaybomb.
They're announcing a new Justice Department mega unit with their number one national directive to go after conservatives and veterans and libertarians and gun owners.
They're announcing all this executive gun grabbing outside of law, and they're announcing they believe the Tea Party is going to start blowing stuff up any minute while they persecute people illegally.
And I just know full well what these scum are going to pull.
I mean, do people at the Justice Department really want to be involved in more false flags?
You really like blowing up daycare centers and whaming it on the states?
jordan holmes
Probably.
alex jones
They were about to have a state's rights movement to get out of the UN in globalism in 1994-95.
Oklahoma was leading a state coalition of 27 states to do it.
And so they blew up the federal building and blamed it on the Patriots.
And I'm telling you, that's the kind of crap they're going to pull.
And what does Steven Steven Seagal say?
It's up on Infowars.com.
jordan holmes
What does Steven Seagal say?
alex jones
I believe in the Second Amendment, and I believe a lot of these mass murders going on, that a lot of these are engineered.
dan friesen
If your go-to first piece of evidence is what does Steven Seagal say, you're in trouble.
jordan holmes
WDSSS.
That's our new bracelet.
dan friesen
I would posit that maybe what he's saying is even someone as dumb as Steven Seagal gets it.
But I can't imagine that's what he meant.
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
What he means is, what does noted patriot and martial artist hero and member of Joe Arpaio's posse?
jordan holmes
Really?
Yeah, don't you really?
Everybody should die.
dan friesen
It was Seagal.
jordan holmes
I'm done.
I'm done.
Everyone should die.
dan friesen
Seagal and Lou Farigno were.
jordan holmes
That's not okay.
dan friesen
You were totally cool when we discussed it last time.
jordan holmes
Really?
Yeah.
dan friesen
You thought that was charming because that's how bad Joe Arpaio is.
jordan holmes
I mean, it is kind of charming as long as Joe Arpaio isn't involved.
dan friesen
Right, if you've got a posse together with these assholes.
unidentified
Yeah, right?
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Here's what I got.
I got Hulk and the guy from Under Siege 2.
dan friesen
Great.
Love it.
jordan holmes
I nailed it.
dan friesen
They're going to keep illegal immigrants at bay.
jordan holmes
What's going on?
I got a law enforcement super team.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So I would say that this is wildly speculative about the reason for the Oklahoma City bombing.
Based on everything I can find, it is incorrect.
And I don't think that blowing up a federal building would stop 27 states getting together to try and get out of the UN or NATO.
unidentified
Are you sure?
dan friesen
I think that they would be like, hey, we still have a reasonable argument that we're trying to make.
I know this is a tragedy, and let's deal with this.
Let's take care of the victims and what have you.
But hey, we're still on board with this.
I think that's how it would go if 27 states were banding together, over half the country banding together to try federal building.
jordan holmes
Oklahoma City.
You know how important Oklahoma City is to all 27 other states or 26 other states.
dan friesen
Totally.
They were the leaders.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
dan friesen
I can find very little evidence that this is a reality, but that is not a new experience for me on the Alex Jones program.
jordan holmes
Why do you say very little?
Does that mean there's more than none?
dan friesen
I think I found a couple of blogs.
jordan holmes
That's not right.
Yeah, if they don't cite sources, I feel like that's not evidence.
dan friesen
Yeah, but you know what?
Yeah.
jordan holmes
I can find very little corroborated speculation.
dan friesen
I spent more of my Oklahoma City research time reading court transcripts of some of the people who were inside Elohim City and stuff like that because I felt like that was more useful.
jordan holmes
Kevin Durant, Russell Westbrook.
Way back when that was going on.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
They were part of an anti-government.
I felt like that was a more useful use of my time.
jordan holmes
Probably.
dan friesen
And did not go too deep into what Oklahoma was doing to get out of the UN.
But the stuff that I read in those transcripts will come up in a future episode.
But be that as it may, this next clip is a commercial, and it's weird.
It's gross.
It is one of our favorite things: when Alex Jones takes his supplements on the air.
alex jones
We're completely overrun, people.
But if you wake up to the criminals, it's game over.
But you've got to break with them.
I'm going to go to your calls.
I've got to pay the bills here also.
Supermale Vitality is back in.
I didn't take any today.
I probably shouldn't.
And it's just really high-powered concentration.
jordan holmes
That's a bad ad.
alex jones
It's a bad advertisement itself, InfoWarsLife.com.
And this is really popular with weightlifters, athletes, bodybuilders.
jordan holmes
Name some.
Lou Ferrigno?
alex jones
Some of the top UFC people take it, but they've already got other sponsors, but they've contacted me and they just want to plug it without even money because it's worked so well for them.
jordan holmes
Name one.
alex jones
It's a real deal.
Take a couple squirts of that a day, and it'll set you right.
dan friesen
Yeah, I bet it will.
The face he's making is terrifying, and he does two squirts of it.
That's a double dose.
He's taking way more than he should after he already said, I haven't taken a day, probably shouldn't.
Then he takes more than the recommended dose.
jordan holmes
That's gross.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
So it doesn't lead to too much craziness, though.
Like in the past, when he's taken Brain Force on the show, he ends up going fucking.
jordan holmes
He gets wild.
dan friesen
He gets nuts.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
It turns out that this puts him in almost a more contemplative mood.
jordan holmes
Interesting.
dan friesen
He doesn't really freak out too much.
It's not like a train wreck.
jordan holmes
You know what's interesting about that?
dan friesen
What's that?
jordan holmes
That does seem like something that a supermale would do.
dan friesen
Be very calm and stoic.
jordan holmes
Be very contemplative.
Choose wisdom over abject anger.
Yeah.
Now I understand why UFC fighters take it in order to keep themselves level and steady rather than tap into male rage.
dan friesen
Well, I don't know if it's an advantage in the UFC ring to tell your opponent more than you should, but that seems to be a side effect of Supermale Vitality based on this next clip.
alex jones
It takes different strokes for different folks in society and culture.
jordan holmes
Different strokes.
It takes.
alex jones
And I have a lot of intellectuals on and a lot of people that are really into being controlled, being focused.
But none of them has been as successful as I have warning people, waking people up.
And I don't do it on purpose.
I get sick of sitting here calmly talking about all this, and I blow up maybe every week or so, every two weeks.
This is a big blow up today.
jordan holmes
Every day.
alex jones
And it's genuine.
It's therapy for me because, you know, it's better than me doing this when I get home.
When my kids are bad or something.
jordan holmes
That's true.
dan friesen
I agree with that last premise.
But he basically just admitted that it's fake.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
The blow-ups are fake.
unidentified
Yep.
jordan holmes
Once a week.
I got to make sure I blow up.
I got a quota to reach.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
And it's therapy for me.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Even if that is accurate, then he's a mentally ill person.
jordan holmes
And he should be going to therapy more than once a week.
dan friesen
Yeah.
I mean, clearly.
I mean, there's no way that that clip isn't damning in illustrating that he knows that what he's doing is fraudulent.
Yeah.
So congratulations.
jordan holmes
If you are timing out your blow-ups, of course you're faking it.
dan friesen
Well, he's not timing it out.
It's just the world's bullshit gets to him about once a week.
It's like a lot of people.
jordan holmes
That doesn't make any sense.
dan friesen
No, it does.
jordan holmes
The world's bullshit gets to me once every fucking time.
dan friesen
You deal with it like everyone does.
And then they get really drunk once a week.
Something like that.
That's his getting really drunk, is screaming about gay frauds.
jordan holmes
Dan, once a week.
That's fun.
dan friesen
All right.
jordan holmes
That's a fun thought.
dan friesen
Well, I'm saying most people.
jordan holmes
My psychiatrist would love it if it was only once a week.
dan friesen
Yeah, that's fair.
But I'm talking about the work a day.
I'm talking about the middle class, the forgotten man.
jordan holmes
Absolutely.
dan friesen
Drunks once a week.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Something like that.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
So this next clip, Alex, remember he was talking about planning some stunts?
unidentified
Yes.
dan friesen
He revisits the premise and tries to brainstorm some more stunts he can do.
jordan holmes
I don't think that's a good idea.
dan friesen
I think he noticed that Joe Biggs going out with the Hillary for Prison shirt is becoming really successful.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
And so he wants to get into the jackass stuff.
Like go out there with the camera.
I mean, obviously, if he went to someone's house and was like, I'm a migrant, let me in.
He'd also be like, InfowarStorm.com.
jordan holmes
And they'd be like, Halloween isn't for a while, dude.
unidentified
Shut the fuck up.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So here's brainstorming a couple more stunts.
alex jones
I pledge to you that I'm going to start pulling some incredible legal stunts.
jordan holmes
Incredible.
alex jones
I'm going to go to people's houses.
I'm going to go to the government.
I'm going to go to the city council.
And I'm going to demand to be able to sleep on the dais.
dan friesen
All right.
alex jones
Because I'm a migrant.
I'm going to go to the mayor's house.
I'm going to demand to live in his house.
I mean, this is the kind of stunts we got to do to show how ridiculous these people are.
I got to tell them to sue the mayor of Austin.
Like the illegals are doing, and they don't let me live in his house.
I'm serious.
We got to get in these people's faces and just let them know we're fully aware of their garbage, and we're not putting up with it anymore.
And George Soros and all these people.
dan friesen
That's a weird non-sequitur there at the end.
jordan holmes
And George Soros and all of these people.
dan friesen
And all these people.
jordan holmes
All those folks.
dan friesen
Yeah, I don't know.
jordan holmes
All them folks.
dan friesen
I don't know if migrants get to sleep on court tables.
jordan holmes
Oh, they do.
dan friesen
I don't know if that's going to be illustrative of any real point.
jordan holmes
Migrants sleep in the mayor's house.
dan friesen
Totally.
And they sue if they can't.
jordan holmes
Oh, of course.
dan friesen
So I think that might...
jordan holmes
Again, I'm going to start pulling legal stunts and then he just lists a bunch of illegal things.
I feel like that's not a good idea.
dan friesen
But if it's a stunt, it's legal.
jordan holmes
That's not how that works.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
I'm pretty sure if you were actually a migrant, you would be put in jail for that.
dan friesen
You go kill somebody, right?
And you're just like, this is a PR stunt.
This is a bigger stunt.
Yeah, get away scot-free.
jordan holmes
If you just kidnap Hillary and put her in a prison, that's a legal stunt, right?
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
And then, I mean, it's all branded.
Hillary for prison.
Hillary is now in prison.
jordan holmes
Hillary in prison.
dan friesen
Granted, Hillary's not a sanctioned prison, but neither was Joe Arpaio's prison.
jordan holmes
Oh, man, I hope he fucking gets shot in the face.
dan friesen
So throughout this investigation, I believe that we have started to dip our toe into the water of a new theory that I've been building up in my head.
And I think Alex Jones is a sovereign citizen.
Okay.
I think he's that side of conservative, which is too far.
jordan holmes
Fucking, look, at this point, that's just par for the course for conservative ideology.
dan friesen
What?
Sovereign citizens?
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
I don't believe so.
I disagree.
I don't think you know enough about them.
jordan holmes
That's probably true.
dan friesen
So in this next clip, which is the last one from October 16th, towards the end of the show, he gets a call from a sovereign citizen.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
Or at least someone who appears to be a sovereign citizen.
jordan holmes
Now I'm having fun.
dan friesen
So here is the caller, and let's see how Alex responds.
alex jones
Let's go to your calls.
Jason in Texas.
Jason, you're on the air.
Thanks for calling.
unidentified
Hey, Alex.
So today I wanted to talk about Admiralty jurisdiction.
And something that most Americans don't actually understand is that the Constitution, Article 3, Section 2, provides for three separate jurisdictions, which are law, equity, and admiralty.
So for listeners that aren't aware, law or common law is what the nation was founded upon.
It goes back to the Magna Carta.
It's really simple.
Don't injure, don't harm others or their property, and don't use fraud in your contracts.
Any crimes committed under the common law require there to be a corpus delecti or an injured party.
Equity is a jurisdiction of contracts and doesn't encompass criminal activities.
And finally, we have admiralty jurisdiction, which is the law of the military under the high seas.
So, for example, a soldier that refuses to peel potatoes when ordered is a criminal act, even if there is no injured party.
Now, it's under admiralty jurisdiction that the United States citizens are criminally prosecuted.
alex jones
And it normally only operated at sea or under wartime emergencies if you were in the military and did not have a jurisdiction over the general public.
But through fraud and contract fraud, getting us to opt into admiralty, it's been brought in now to be one of the dominant forms of law as we move into administrative.
jordan holmes
Yeah, he knows that.
unidentified
Exactly.
It's been done with our silent consent.
And it's the extension of this admiralty jurisdiction to the colonists that was actually one of the prime reasons behind the revolution.
So almost every court in the United States today, the jurisdiction is assumed.
alex jones
Number one was them trying to take the guns, but number two was British press gangs grabbing people's eight, nine, ten-year-old boys off their front porches or from school or out of fields and taking them to be slaves on British ships.
jordan holmes
What fields?
unidentified
Now, what you can't do is a licensed attorney can't actually go into court and make this kind of jurisdictional challenge because they've already consented to being part of this.
alex jones
No, I've had a lot of lawyers.
jordan holmes
Not because of that.
alex jones
But routinely cite common law precedent and are successful in court.
unidentified
And I actually did that pretty recently to get a minor traffic offense thrown out, and that was pretty rewarding.
dan friesen
They might have thrown that out anyway.
A minor traffic offense.
Maybe the fucking officer didn't show up for court and then they throw it out.
unidentified
Nope.
dan friesen
Nope.
jordan holmes
Admiralty.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
So I want to read you.
jordan holmes
I don't buy into this system.
dan friesen
I want to read to you from the Southern Poverty Law Center their file on the sovereign citizens.
The contemporary sovereign belief system is based on a decades-old conspiracy theory.
At some point in history, sovereigns believe the American government set up by the founding fathers with a legal system the sovereigns refer to as common law was secretly replaced by a new government system based on admiralty law, the law of the sea and international commerce.
Under common law, or so they believe, the sovereigns.
jordan holmes
Sorry, I'm sorry.
Say the law of the sea.
dan friesen
The law of the sea.
unidentified
The law of the sea shall now be the law of the land.
dan friesen
Under common law, or so they believe, the sovereigns would be free men.
Under admiralty law, they are slaves, and secret government forces have a vested interest in keeping them that way.
unidentified
Makes sense.
dan friesen
Some sovereigns believe this perfidious change occurred during the Civil War, while others blame the events of 1933 when the U.S. abandoned the gold standard.
Either way, they stake their lives and livelihoods on the idea that judges around the country know all about this hidden government takeover, but are denying the sovereign's motions and filings out of a treasonous loyalty to hidden and malevolent government forces.
jordan holmes
That makes sense.
Yeah.
That sounds right, that every judge is aware of secret law.
unidentified
Mm-hmm.
Yep.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
I mean, that's like news radio.
dan friesen
Tubalcane.
jordan holmes
Tubalcane?
I immediately find in favor of the defendant.
dan friesen
And then it goes back to the rest of this goes into the idea of that whenever you're born, you're a corporate entity because you're named letters.
And they do that.
The government does that under Admiralty law in order to make you a slave and to create treasury accounts in your name.
And if you go through a process called redemption, where you send in all of them.
jordan holmes
You have to be baptized.
dan friesen
You send in all of your documents or whatever back to the government and renounce your status as a corporate entity or whatever, then you get access to all the money in the treasury.
jordan holmes
That makes sense.
dan friesen
And you're free from any of these admiralty laws because you're a sovereign citizen.
The other thing that's really fucked up is that because they believe in this common law thing that the founders set up, they don't believe in amendments, most of them.
So they don't believe that slavery is gone.
jordan holmes
That's not great.
dan friesen
They don't believe that women have the right to vote.
jordan holmes
That's a bummer.
dan friesen
By corollary, they believe that every election that's been held where women can vote is null and void.
So they don't believe in the authority of the president.
unidentified
Okay.
dan friesen
Beyond that, because of all of these beliefs, I mean, it's just clear that they can't respect the authority of any law enforcement officer, and that's why they end up pulling guns on them a lot.
jordan holmes
You are really selling it to me.
These people are a mess.
I'm starting to think maybe they got a point.
Starting to think they got a point, Dan.
dan friesen
No, they are really scary as a whole.
And it's weird to me.
jordan holmes
I love the idea of a government that just has a loophole where it's like, oh, man, I hope nobody finds out.
Otherwise, they have access to all the money.
dan friesen
Yeah, exactly.
jordan holmes
Very weird.
dan friesen
I don't think all of them believe that, but a large number do.
I don't want to paint them all with the same brush because there's within the Sovereign Citizens, there's a bunch of co-related groups, like the Free Men on the Land and stuff.
Yeah, it's a wild rabbit hole to go down.
jordan holmes
I'm wondering where we fall on the stupid or insane.
Like, are these people truly just lunatics or are they just the dumbest people on the planet?
dan friesen
I think it's a really compelling and interesting way for mental illness to go.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
I think that there's probably a number of people who are a little bit obsessive, maybe a little bit supermanic, and they get into reading court documents and misinterpret a bunch of things.
Right.
I think that.
jordan holmes
Yeah, if you're into reading court documents, you're probably on the insane spectrum.
dan friesen
Or me studying for this podcast.
jordan holmes
You're probably on the insane spectrum.
Fair.
dan friesen
But it's weird to me.
Like, not them, because I'm fascinated by fringe groups and stuff like that.
jordan holmes
Of course.
dan friesen
And I understand the desperation and the disenfranchisement that would make you want to be free if you don't feel free.
jordan holmes
Sure.
But a lot of their freedom is dependent on everyone else not being free.
dan friesen
That is a problem.
But I get spiritually on some level a feeling of like this human existence somehow isn't right.
I understand that.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And the fact that it could be channeled into this weird conspiratorial life plan, I get it.
I don't support it.
jordan holmes
The life plan is giving them a lot of credit.
dan friesen
Fair enough.
But I get it.
I don't support it, but I get it.
The idea that Alex Jones is beholden to some of this, that's weird to me.
jordan holmes
That's not great.
dan friesen
Because if he believes in all this common law stuff, it's not a far leap to assume that he also believes in the corporate entity stuff.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
And that he can just go to court and not respect the authority of court or something like that.
It seems very strange to me.
jordan holmes
Which, if you did read about his testimony in his custody trial, you kind of get the feeling that he doesn't respect courts too much.
dan friesen
Have you no decency?
Yeah.
But I don't know.
I don't have enough evidence to say that he is full-on a sovereign citizen.
jordan holmes
He sure seems conversant in it to an extent that I am not happy with.
dan friesen
He's starting to show shades of it, and that's weird.
So, Jordan?
Sure.
That's the end of Friday, October 16th.
unidentified
Okay.
dan friesen
No show on Saturday.
We come back on Sunday the 18th.
jordan holmes
No Trump on 16th.
unidentified
No, nothing.
jordan holmes
None.
unidentified
Nothing.
dan friesen
Oh, yeah, I forgot.
That's the point of this investigation.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I'm running out of...
dan friesen
You know why?
jordan holmes
I'm starting to think that Trump isn't even important in any of this shit.
dan friesen
He is a...
jordan holmes
He's a bit player.
dan friesen
Yeah, it's all about Russia.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
That's what it's becoming clear.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
It's very weird.
That's super weird.
So, I mean, I feel like we started out the episode with those Russia clips, and I'm like, all right, everyone gets the premise.
No, this is supposed to be about Trump.
So on Sunday, Alex Jones has a...
jordan holmes
It's like, 1954 all over again.
We're going to start the Soviet Union.
dan friesen
Yeah, it's not far off.
So Alex on Sunday has a new plan.
He is going to, I think that he started to feel like I'm not doing a good enough job of being specific.
I think he had a quiet moment.
Maybe he was taking a bath or something like that.
jordan holmes
He took two drips of super male vitality, got very contemplative.
dan friesen
Right.
After Friday's show, he's like, I just, I know that I'm making a good argument, and everyone loves it.
But I fear I'm not being specific enough about what I'm talking about.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
So he comes in hot.
jordan holmes
Considering the fact that we have no idea what he's talking about.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
And we have to do excessive exegesis to try and figure it out.
So he comes in hot on Sunday with a new plan that is going to make everything clear.
alex jones
Starting at the bottom of the hour, we're going to start profiling globalists.
We're going to start profiling for my research who I believe is at the very top of the New World Order power structure.
We're going to look at the owners of the global government.
There's very few of those, the big top owners.
Then we're also going to look at the top managers who themselves are billionaires.
We're going to look at Peter Sutherland today, the former head of Goldman Sachs Europe, the former head of BP worldwide, the man who told the BBC, quote, EU should undermine national homogeneity, says, and use migration.
This is the guy engineering the radical Islamic influx right now.
We're going to look in to why he's doing this and what the endgame is to understand who these people are.
And he looks like a James Bond villain.
jordan holmes
Does he look like a James Bond villain?
dan friesen
Not really.
He's, I mean, bald.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
One eye missing.
dan friesen
He's kind of bald.
He's kind of bald.
He's a little portly, but I think it's kind of petty to make appearance-based complaints about your big super villains.
Like, if he is the big bad, why are you starting out by critiquing his appearance?
jordan holmes
Also, Christoph Waltz was a James Bond villain in the most recent one, so he could be very attractive.
dan friesen
So Alex lists off a number of things that, you know, he's been a part of the BP and all this.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
All right.
You got a decent amount of his resume.
jordan holmes
Before we go any further, I am provisionally on the side of Alex Jones.
I am guaranteeing that Peter Sutherland is a monster.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
I mean, he's not great.
Sure.
jordan holmes
See, there we go.
dan friesen
All of these.
jordan holmes
I think anyone who is a murderer a million times over.
dan friesen
Yeah, but that's fine.
That's fine.
It's okay.
jordan holmes
Except for maybe our boy Hamdio Lukaya.
dan friesen
Yeah, he seems pretty cool.
jordan holmes
He seems pretty cool.
dan friesen
But be that as it may, every super rich person is awful until proven otherwise in my book.
Yeah, yeah.
But at the same time, it's not the same as what Alex does.
No.
It's not fair to conflate healthy distrust of really rich people with their all-a-pedophile network who want to bring in migrants to kill Christians and bring back the gold standard.
jordan holmes
You're right.
I do have the feeling, though, that the enemy of my enemy is my friend.
dan friesen
Wait, so you want to team up with Alex against these guys?
jordan holmes
So long as it's just me and Alex against billionaires, I'm fine with that.
dan friesen
There's a lot more trappings.
jordan holmes
Look, the oligarchs need to be taken down.
Now, here's the other thing, though.
If Alex is not against, or if Alex is against taking down the Russian oligarchs, then we are not on the same table.
dan friesen
I don't think he's.
jordan holmes
It seems like he should include them in their globalists.
dan friesen
I don't think he does.
jordan holmes
I don't think he does either.
dan friesen
Doesn't seem like it.
jordan holmes
I don't think he has any kind of ideological through point other than making up bullshit.
dan friesen
Yeah, so Alex, like I said, he comes in, he's hot.
He's going to start doing this in order to build his case.
We're going to profile these specific globalists.
I can tell you, I've listened to about two weeks more after this episode.
He never does this again.
This is a one-off at this point, not a series, of course.
And here's how it goes.
alex jones
And can we put on screen, just search the term Peter Sutherland?
Or I can pull up an article and show you a picture of him myself.
And just look at this penguin-esque creature who looks like a microwaved version of Minnie Me that's been bloating and rotting in the sun.
jordan holmes
Is he talking about Daniel?
alex jones
Just the obvious, arrogant, pimpish eyes, the pimpish parasitical phenomenon that we've seen so many times in the PBP class.
And it is just disgusting to see this slime sucker going around.
But you know what?
When I really go after Mr. Sutherland, I shouldn't go after the fact that he looks like a reanimated wart on two legs in a bipedal stance.
What I'm going to be going after him for is the fact of what he did to Ireland.
And if you can read his own bio, he's quite proud of it.
He's the one that got Ireland.
He's like the first man of Ireland, the first pimp, a Bill Clinton of Ireland.
jordan holmes
Bill Clinton.
alex jones
He's the one that pimped him.
He's the one that put him on the street.
He's the one that Jack slapped him and they bent down and thanked him for it.
He's the guy that took Ireland from being the number one economic engine in Europe for 15 years, got him to sign on to the EU, signed them then on to all this debt that they didn't owe.
That's come out in the news.
90 plus percent of it.
And then now they're totally in shambles imploding as he and others suck them dry.
But don't worry, he goes to St. Patty's Day events and wears green hats and has green umbrellas and goes, luck of the Irish, luck of me gang raping you.
Hey, the pot of gold be your money.
I'm going to screw you over.
unidentified
I'd be Peter Sutherland of the New Orleans Order, Goldman Sachs.
jordan holmes
That is not a good Irish actor.
alex jones
Because I got a hot poker for you.
dan friesen
No, that's not a good actor.
jordan holmes
That sounds like George R. Banks.
dan friesen
Nianolecki.
So his, and that's it.
jordan holmes
I don't think Ireland was ever the number one economic driver.
dan friesen
15 years running.
jordan holmes
Of anything.
dan friesen
15 years running, the greatest economy.
jordan holmes
Ireland isn't even the greatest economic driver of Ireland.
dan friesen
Of the EU or the UK?
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Nothing.
dan friesen
Yeah.
I mean, there's a lot of issues.
First of all, Peter Sutherland is from Ireland.
He is an Irishman.
So he was born in 1946.
He's an Irish international businessman and former Attorney General of Ireland.
He is associated with the Fine Gale Party.
jordan holmes
Oh, look at the gang rape to you.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So, I mean, all Alex has to go on is that he was involved with Ireland becoming part of the EU.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's what he's saying.
dan friesen
He's not like, it's just classic, vague Alex postulates and nonsense.
It's all character assassination.
It's all insulting.
You're ugly.
jordan holmes
Right.
What is a reanimated wart?
dan friesen
I don't know.
I don't know what an anime is.
We need to animate wartime.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
Give me when you close your eyes and think reanimated wart.
Here's what do you see?
dan friesen
There's a cartoon wart or like a wart that's been brought to life.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
Then you got to kill it.
jordan holmes
It's voiced by T.J. Miller in this.
dan friesen
You got to kill it.
And then it comes back as a zombie.
unidentified
Okay.
dan friesen
Herbert West that shit.
Reanimated up.
Now you've got a dead wart walking.
jordan holmes
See, I immediately went to the zombie form of King Arthur.
If you recall, he was called Wart as a child.
dan friesen
Did not recall that.
jordan holmes
I do because I am insane.
dan friesen
Well, all right, we both have our insanities.
jordan holmes
Anyways, so Alex's Sword in the Stone is a great movie.
dan friesen
Alex's big plan to profile specific globalists ends up with him yelling about how ugly Peter Sutherland is and then being like, I'm not going to talk about his looks.
I'm going to talk about what he did to Ireland.
jordan holmes
He made them join the EU.
dan friesen
He didn't even make them.
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
Just pushed for it.
jordan holmes
He gave them the opportunity.
dan friesen
He was pushed for it.
And Alex hates voted on it.
He hates every international body.
And so, of course, it's just like, that's it.
That's it.
And then he goes to commercial and he comes back with nothing.
He comes back with not more than that.
That's it.
jordan holmes
Would he be for the Soviet Union or against it?
dan friesen
Well, it depends.
jordan holmes
Because that is an international body.
dan friesen
I think it comes down to one thing.
Has Alex brushed up on his Russian impression?
Because if not, he's for it.
If he has been working on the accent, then he's against it so he can do a fun.
jordan holmes
He has not been working on his Irish accent.
I will tell you that right now.
dan friesen
Maybe his Russian is better.
jordan holmes
Maybe his Russian is better.
dan friesen
I don't know.
So that is a pathetic showing of a man who did not prepare.
jordan holmes
Oh, yeah.
dan friesen
Did not prepare at all.
jordan holmes
That's not even a good Northern Irish accent.
If you were trying to Belfast, that would be a different story.
But come on, man.
Come on, man.
dan friesen
So instead of getting into more detail about Peter Sutherland and what he's done, and like you were even saying, knowing nothing about the man, there's plenty you could get into about the fact that he was part of Bilderberg.
You could get into what he did there.
jordan holmes
Golden Sachs is an evil organization.
dan friesen
And if Alex has secret sources and access to all these documents, he should have a dossier worse than that steel thing.
jordan holmes
A dirty dossier.
dan friesen
A dirty dossier about Peter Sutherland that he should be able to break down.
It's Sunday.
It's a slow news day.
He could take his entire two-hour show, because it's a shorter show on Sunday, and spend the entire time breaking down, all right, I hate Peter Sutherland.
Here's why.
Instead, he insults his looks and then does an Irish accent and just says he got him into the EU.
Great.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
I don't care.
You haven't convinced me.
jordan holmes
That's a great profile.
dan friesen
I think he.
jordan holmes
I would put that in Time magazine.
dan friesen
I think he thought that this was going to be huge.
I think he thought this profiling globalist thing is going to be a hit.
And then he got into it.
jordan holmes
He got to do the profile.
That seems like an important piece.
dan friesen
You know, sometimes you get on stage with a new bit that you're going to do and you think it's going to kill.
And then you get on stage and you realize, I haven't worked this out at all.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
I think that's what he did and bailed doing the accent as opposed to break and then was like, I'm not going to do that again.
I'm not going to profile it.
jordan holmes
He won't power through it, man.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Hey, why don't you start with Soros?
Why not?
jordan holmes
That does make sense for him.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Although maybe he's beaten the Soros into a dead horse.
dan friesen
Or he's saving him for Sweeps Week.
I don't know.
So instead of talking more about Peter Sutherland and instead of doing anything productive, Alex Jones gets distracted because there's a clip.
unidentified
What?
Yeah.
dan friesen
There's a clip of Hillary Clinton talking about how in Australia they had a gun buyback program that was very successful.
unidentified
Right.
jordan holmes
It was super successful.
dan friesen
Incredibly so.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
And so this clip starts with.
unidentified
And it made their homicide rate drop.
jordan holmes
It plummeted.
Yeah.
It really did.
It was a very successful program.
Sometimes it's a good idea to look at experiments that other nations have tried and see if they wouldn't be successful in your nation, thus, you know, growing the entire world at the same time.
It's a good idea.
dan friesen
You sound dumb.
jordan holmes
I do sound dumb.
dan friesen
Hillary Clinton's going to sound equally dumb at the beginning of this clip, and then Alex is going to say something really dumb.
Okay.
I know that I'm saying everyone's dumb, but the first two were jokes.
He's really dumb.
jordan holmes
This one's real dumb.
hillary clinton
Evidence supports them that by offering to buy back those guns, they were able to curtail the supply and to set a different standard for gun purchases in the future.
alex jones
And the real Crocodile Dundee, you can look this up in NRA magazine from about 16 years ago.
He wouldn't turn in his five-shot deer rifle that his dad had given him.
And they came to his house and gunned him down.
They murdered him.
The real Crocodile Dundee looks just like the guy from the movie that was based on a real guy.
They murdered him.
No criminal record.
Lived way out in the countryside.
They came to his house and gunned him down.
As he was dying, he shot three of the cops, though, the gun confiscators.
unidentified
So we'll be right back.
jordan holmes
Info.com on the website.
alex jones
Hold on.
jordan holmes
Hold on.
Excuse me, sir.
Excuse me.
Question?
Follow-up question.
Alex Jones, follow-up question.
What did you just say?
dan friesen
He's actually even wrong.
He said that he shot three cops because they're gun grabbers.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
They're coming to take his gun.
jordan holmes
You got to gun him down.
dan friesen
So I have done a lot of research into this.
jordan holmes
Do you mean you Googled it one time?
dan friesen
Oh, no.
I read a bunch of articles about this guy because I was like, I didn't realize I don't know anything about the real Crocodile Dundee.
Didn't know there was a real Crocodile Dundee.
jordan holmes
I knew there was a real Crocodile Dundee, and then my interest ended right there.
I was like, that was a shitty movie.
Why am I going to look up more?
dan friesen
Three shitty movies.
jordan holmes
No, I don't need to worry about it.
dan friesen
So the real Crocodile Dundee, it turns out it was, it was a guy named Rodney Ansell.
jordan holmes
It is kind of disappointing that he didn't try out an Australian accent, though.
alex jones
Oi!
dan friesen
So Rodney Ansell.
He wasn't like the real, the Crocodile Dundee character is just a guy from the bush, you know, who loves animals and can give you a good one-liner.
jordan holmes
Right.
He's like the mountain man archetype in Australia.
alex jones
Yeah.
dan friesen
Rodney Ansell was a guy whose boat crashed.
And he survived in the wilderness for a couple of weeks, like sleeping in a tree to stay away from the crocodiles.
jordan holmes
Cool.
dan friesen
And he had a couple dogs with him and a knife.
That's not a knife.
This is a knife.
All right, dude.
Classic stuff.
jordan holmes
All right, dad.
dan friesen
So he, you know, it was a cool tale of survival and what have you, but it wasn't the same character as Crocodile Dundee as portrayed by Paul Hogan.
jordan holmes
Of course not.
dan friesen
But tons of the shit was taken from him.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Like the real Crocodile Dundee, Rodney Ansell, was like the inspiration for these sort of quirky behaviors.
Like he went to a hotel and insisted on sleeping in a sleeping bag.
jordan holmes
Of course.
dan friesen
Like these sorts of things that make the character what he is are literally ripped from him.
jordan holmes
Little character details that are distinguishing.
dan friesen
So I've written this out from.
jordan holmes
That make a fish out of water story delightful.
dan friesen
So I've written this out from my research.
I'm just going to read this to you about what happened to Rodney Ansell.
unidentified
Okay.
dan friesen
Rodney Ansel was killed in August of 1999 in a shootout with police 30 miles south of the city of Darwin in Australia.
He was the inspiration for the Paul Hogan character, but to hear him tell it, he got more or less cut out of the profits of the movie.
And that seems to be true.
jordan holmes
That's almost certainly true.
No, that I buy immediately.
dan friesen
Some people have said he didn't get paid anything.
Some people have said he got paid very little.
But no matter what, he likeness rights are he got fucked.
And so by the early 1990s, he was in a super bad financial situation.
In 1992, he was convicted of stealing cattle and assaulting a rancher.
jordan holmes
So we've already established that he does have a criminal record at this point.
dan friesen
Oh, yeah.
Oh, yeah.
jordan holmes
Alex Jones was lying about that.
dan friesen
He was cattle rustling.
unidentified
Gotcha.
dan friesen
But maybe Alex would think that that's law of the land.
jordan holmes
Sovereign citizen.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
So then on August 2nd, 1999, Ansell took a whole lot of speed.
jordan holmes
All right.
Just like Crocodile Dundee.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Ansel's girlfriend, Sherry Hewson, had gotten it into his head that some variety of a Freemason group had kidnapped their children, and that this group had a history of killing young girls in bizarre rituals.
jordan holmes
Did they even have children, first off?
dan friesen
They had two children, or at least he did.
Ansel had two children, but they were adults.
One was 20, one was 18.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
And so she had gotten into his head that the Illuminati or Freemasons had kidnapped them.
And, I mean, just think about how similar this is to Alex Jones.
jordan holmes
Wait, so was she.
Was she fucking with him?
dan friesen
She was also on speed.
jordan holmes
Oh, okay.
unidentified
All right.
dan friesen
All right.
jordan holmes
Because that would be an even better story if it was just like.
A prank?
Yeah, if it was a stunt.
dan friesen
Stun.
jordan holmes
It was a stunt.
dan friesen
It's officially legal.
jordan holmes
That was the whole thing.
It's a legal stunt.
Yeah.
dan friesen
So I just want to put a pin in it and really emphasize that this idea that Freemasons had kidnapped their children is similar to what Alex Jones says, the Globalists.
Oh, of course.
Which is interesting to see from a couple of speed heads as opposed to Alex Jones, who does his own weird supplements on air.
jordan holmes
Brain force head, if you will.
dan friesen
So in his speed high, Ansel went off with a gun trying to get his children back.
jordan holmes
Not good.
dan friesen
That evening, he shot two men in Darwin while just shooting at some caravans for reasons that don't seem clear.
I can't find an explanation for it anyway, and he's dead.
So we don't know exactly why he did this.
And I will quote now from the newspaper.
jordan holmes
That's not a caravan.
This is a caravan.
dan friesen
So quoting from the Herald's Son here.
Ansel fired six shots at their caravan on Kentish Road.
Resident David Hobden jumped in his truck, armed with his double-barrel shotgun, and went to investigate the shootings.
He lost an eye when Ansel put a bullet through the windscreen of his truck.
jordan holmes
Jesus.
dan friesen
He ran to alert his neighbor, Brian Williams, who waxed wrath at the state of his mate's face and grabbed a baseball bat.
jordan holmes
Oh, that's why he was suspended from NBC for a while.
dan friesen
It could be.
Yeah, you lied about this.
So he grabbed this dude, Brian Williams, grabbed a baseball bat.
He charged it at Ansel, who was trying at that point to steal Mr. Hobden's truck.
jordan holmes
This is already, like, you've just given me eight different bad decisions from everyone involved already.
unidentified
Totally.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So, quote, I smacked him straight down the forehead.
And that's when he blew my hand off, Mr. Williams told police.
jordan holmes
That shouldn't be funny, but that's fucking funny.
dan friesen
It's crazy.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's fucking hilarious.
dan friesen
He was going on and on about stealing his children and Freemasons and being a baby killer.
Oh, he was just mad, mate.
jordan holmes
Baby killer.
dan friesen
That's a quote.
jordan holmes
Baby killer.
Yep.
dan friesen
Ansel fired shots at the Williams house.
Then he ran away, his rifle in one hand and Mr. Hobden's shotgun in the other.
jordan holmes
So not only did he not get his guns taken away by the government, he actually took away other people's guns.
dan friesen
He was a gun grabber.
jordan holmes
Yeah, gotcha.
dan friesen
So at that point, he runs into the bush and tries to hide.
And at about 10.30 a.m. the next day, the removals worker, I'm not sure what that is.
I guess it's probably like a trash person or the removals worker.
Yeah, I'm not sure some sort of civic job, though.
I don't know.
A removals worker named Jonathan Anthony was leaning on a cop car chatting with the officers when a bullet blew a hole the size of a baseball in his pelvis.
jordan holmes
Jesus.
dan friesen
So what you have is Rodney Ansel has been hiding in this woods and he sees a cop car and he shoots this removals worker and just shoots a baseball-sized hole.
jordan holmes
Ebloads him.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
That's fucked up.
dan friesen
So the details at this point are all murky.
It's not murky, but who cares?
He ends up killing a cop and then they kill him.
In his just trying to get out of the woods, I guess.
He's still probably on a speed high and has realized, I just shot a guy's hand off.
I just shot it like their car and their house.
jordan holmes
Fucking might as well lean into it.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
And he realizes like, oh, shit, panic.
And if he still believes the Freemasons have his kids, these cops are probably in on it.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
And so he ends up killing one cop, shooting him in the side, and like bleeds out.
And then the gun battle persists.
jordan holmes
Dan, do you know what this story has taught me?
dan friesen
What's that?
jordan holmes
It's important to get rid of regulations that keep mentally ill people from getting guns.
They should have them.
dan friesen
Even if he was.
jordan holmes
Everyone should have guns, Dan.
dan friesen
Even if he was mentally ill, I think people would still let him buy a gun.
He's the real Crocodile Dundee.
jordan holmes
Oh, that's true.
dan friesen
He's a celebrity.
Anyway.
jordan holmes
That would be a very different movie if it ended with Paul Hogan murdering four people and a cop.
dan friesen
Jesus.
jordan holmes
Hey, Alex Jones.
dan friesen
No, no, no.
The other people didn't die.
jordan holmes
No, they didn't.
dan friesen
Just the cop died, from what I can find.
jordan holmes
All right.
dan friesen
One guy lost a hand, one guy lost an eye.
And I think that the guy who had the baseball-size hole in his pelvis, I think he survived, from what I understand.
unidentified
All right.
dan friesen
I don't want to be quoted on it, but I know at least he killed that cop, and that's bad enough.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
And then they shot him down in a firefight.
jordan holmes
Alex Jones did not just lie about the real Crocodile Dundee.
unidentified
No.
jordan holmes
But in fact, the real Crocodile Dundee is a cop killer who he pretends to hate so long as it is black people.
dan friesen
And he probably killed that cop with a stolen gun.
unidentified
Of course.
dan friesen
And Alex's version of it where they knocked on his door and tried to take his daddy's gun.
That's such bullshit.
jordan holmes
Where did he even get that story?
dan friesen
Probably from some weird, unsourced blog.
jordan holmes
Oh, yeah.
dan friesen
Probably WorldNet Daily or something like that.
One of these dumbass sites that he reads.
I don't know.
But if you look into the reality, he was on speed.
jordan holmes
That's fucked up.
dan friesen
The coroner, I believe his quote was, there is no doubt that this man was in amphetamine psychosis.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
So that sounds about right.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Anyway.
jordan holmes
Jesus Christ, man.
dan friesen
So that's one of the things he does on this show.
jordan holmes
Alex getting stuff wrong is bad, but this is fucking horrific.
dan friesen
It seems intentionally wrong.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
It seems like he doesn't care how wrong he is.
jordan holmes
He just doesn't like that his hero, Paul Hogan, was associated with this Ansel guy.
dan friesen
I'm sure he opened the paper up the day, 1999, that Ansel gets killed, and he's like, oh, Crikey.
How am I going to spend my money?
unidentified
All right.
jordan holmes
All right, Dan.
All right, Dan.
Get the fuck out of here.
dan friesen
All right, let's go to the next clip.
jordan holmes
You're done.
You're done.
dan friesen
So in this next clip, we get to open up the door to what's going to be the rest of October 18th.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
No Trump.
jordan holmes
Crikey.
dan friesen
But, what?
It's fine for you.
You're a fucking globalist with your hypocrisy.
So the rest of the show, Alex tries to take phone calls.
And this first call is a Mike Down clip because it's fucking hilarious.
Alex gets super mad at this caller before he even lets him on air, then doesn't listen to the caller, who's being very reasonable, and just freaks out at him.
He does one of his patented intentional blow-ups just two days after the last one.
Not even a week.
jordan holmes
It's too soon.
dan friesen
No, I know.
It must mean that this is mental illness and not intentional performance.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
So here we go.
alex jones
The truth is, I like our founding fathers.
A lot of them were Masons.
That's why they call me a Mason.
Fine, I am one.
I'm Jewish.
I'm Masonic.
I'm Mexican.
I'm black.
I'm German, which I actually am.
I'm English, which I mean, just I'm all the bad things, okay?
Boom!
I'm bad.
You're good.
You're a winner.
You're moral.
You're better than me.
I'm scum.
I'm filth.
I'm trash.
Good.
You are a man.
I am trash.
You're better than me.
Now, get out there and take on the globalist right now.
Do something.
We're under attack.
Go ahead, Carl.
Set me straight.
Show me what a man you are.
Set me in line right now.
Look at all your accomplishments.
Kill me right now.
unidentified
Hey, Alex, can you hear me?
alex jones
Yeah, of course I can hear you.
I just want to.
unidentified
Yeah, so first off, I'm going to say I'm a fan, and this is not an attack, but.
alex jones
I don't have anyone!
We're under attack!
unidentified
Yeah, I know, and I'm not attacking you.
I'm really, I'm not sure if you are controlled opposition.
alex jones
I am!
I am!
You caught me!
That's why I went to you!
You just blew you!
Just scored a point.
You just counted coup.
You just took your first scalp.
You just took down Alex Jones.
I knew you'd do that.
What a big man you are.
Oh, whoa, whoa.
Yeah, I'm loyal opposition like I'm a Chinese jet pilot from Mars.
Go ahead.
unidentified
But you've got to be paranoid after waking up for the first time that everything coming at you is alive.
So I'm really just questioning everything.
So, you know, I really just had to bring this question.
alex jones
I know, I know.
No one ever goes to the actual geoengineering documents or the actual emergency centers documents on the confirmed camps.
They just keep running around looking for the theory they can't prove.
I get it.
unidentified
Well, hear me out.
So the idea is that you're popular on purpose by the evil society controllers, but the idea of you being like an information gatekeeper discovering the truth for the first time will most likely discover it through you and get your version of the truth.
And that's the advantage of the gatekeeper being that rookie conspiracy theorists always get your version of the truth first.
And the great truth you spread on the show, which I love and which got me hooked on you in the first place, it becomes like a spoonful of sugar to help the medicine go down, where the medicine is like.
alex jones
Well, listen, God bless you.
And I just want to just congratulate you on discovering the truth.
And now tune into another show or go off and bash me all day.
Okay?
That's all I can say.
I'm going to continue trying to warn people about the big issues.
Okay?
And look, the truth is, I'm just sick of that question like I'm sick of people with a radio on in the background.
It's like Chinese water torture where they just drip it and drip it and drip it and drip it till you go crazy.
unidentified
Oh boy.
dan friesen
I don't know.
jordan holmes
I'm starting to think Alex doesn't have very good listening skills.
dan friesen
No, because that guy, that call could have gone very differently.
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Oh, could it have?
dan friesen
The caller could have just made his very reasonable point.
And Alex would be like, I understand where you're coming from.
And it's scary to have a world opened up to you where, you know, everything you thought was wrong is true and what you thought was true is wrong.
But hey, I want to assure you that I'm on the right side of this thing.
jordan holmes
Fuck you!
I hate you!
You think you want to win points against me?
dan friesen
Go watch another show.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
I mean, that's sad.
At the same time, I kind of get where he's coming from.
There are a lot of people that believe he's controlled opposition.
I don't necessarily think that.
jordan holmes
I mean, he's controlled by Russia.
Yeah.
dan friesen
In my experience, I don't.
jordan holmes
In a certain way, that is controlled opposition.
dan friesen
I don't see him as being what these people that like this caller say.
Like, I don't find much credibility in that argument.
Like, the globalists have set him up as a gatekeeper and what have you.
jordan holmes
Yeah, no, that doesn't make any goddamn sense.
dan friesen
It doesn't.
It doesn't.
jordan holmes
Also, the globalists don't exist.
So that's one problem in that theory.
dan friesen
There is that.
jordan holmes
There's the underlying basis being false, anyways.
dan friesen
But I love that just like he gets himself rock hard before he even gets into that call.
He's chomping at the bit, screaming before he brings him in.
jordan holmes
Yeah, he wanted somebody to be against him, and instead he got a fan.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
And he didn't.
And then you heard the change in his tone once he realized that.
dan friesen
I think it was that he ran out of stamina.
jordan holmes
Oh, that could be.
dan friesen
I think he hasn't been, he has no cardio.
He's a boxer who would tire out in the second round.
He's just not worked on his fundamentals.
And so he can scream for about two minutes and then he's done.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Which I still admire.
I couldn't do that.
I couldn't scream for two minutes.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I think I'm out.
unidentified
You could.
jordan holmes
Oh, yeah, probably.
dan friesen
I think you could.
jordan holmes
Probably.
dan friesen
If I were drunk, maybe.
So that's the first call.
jordan holmes
Which explains why Alex Jones is so good at being drunk on his show.
dan friesen
That's a fair point.
So that's the first call.
The second call goes quite a bit differently.
Okay.
Very weird, quite a bit differently.
alex jones
Ben in Pennsylvania.
You're on the air.
Thanks for holding.
Then we'll go to Leah.
Go ahead.
unidentified
Hey, thanks so much, Alex.
Hey, I'd like to speak very briefly about 9-11.
It's been back in the news recently in the back and forth between Trump and Bush.
And I do want a Sunday broadcast a very, very short prayer.
Almighty Father, Lord Jesus Christ, I pray to you with all my heart that you might provide the strength, courage, guidance, wisdom, and inspiration to a true, brave,
and selfless patriot from within the ranks of our military, our intelligence community, or a current or past elected representative to enable them to release directly to the American people the full and complete text of the illegally and immorally classified and redacted 28 pages of the 9-11 report.
Amen.
They just had to call a pray on air for a minute.
jordan holmes
That's a prayer to reveal Saudi Arabia, did it?
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
That's a very strange prayer.
dan friesen
It's a prayer.
jordan holmes
Lord, please, please grant me the strength to hate Saudi Arabia as much, even though it technically is our ally.
We refuse to let everybody know.
dan friesen
And like, I mean, the idea that Saudi Arabia was involved or anything like that, you could guess that from the fact that everyone was from Saudi Arabia.
jordan holmes
Yeah, you could just be like, oh, I bet it was Saudi Arabia.
dan friesen
A lot of that stuff's not bombshell type information.
jordan holmes
Not at all.
dan friesen
But it is weird that he has.
jordan holmes
What does he think is in the 28 pages?
dan friesen
The guy who thinks it's the government.
He's praying or Alex?
jordan holmes
No, the guy who's praying.
dan friesen
thinks it's the united states government yeah who hid the fact that they false flagged 9-11 i believe that well i don't know that to be true Yeah, I bet that's what they call it.
jordan holmes
Probably.
Probably.
dan friesen
Yeah, I bet it's like the 28 pages is just all the proof that globalists are real.
jordan holmes
It's whatever you want it to be.
Because it's classified, you can believe it's the fucking red herring or whatever.
dan friesen
The classical suitcase.
jordan holmes
Yeah, again, if you were the United States government and you had perpetrated 9-11, you wouldn't be like, well, we'll write it down, but we better classify these pages.
dan friesen
Classify the fuck out of it.
jordan holmes
Yeah, exactly.
dan friesen
Because that'll really make conspiracy theorists not curious.
jordan holmes
Yeah, exactly.
dan friesen
They'll really leave us alone if we classify this.
jordan holmes
Yeah, in 70 years when a Freedom of Information Act declassifies it, I'm sure we'll be fine.
dan friesen
Yeah, undoubtedly.
jordan holmes
I'm sure they'll still trust us.
dan friesen
So that is about where we drop off with the 18th, the Sunday show.
Not a lot got done.
jordan holmes
Prayers.
dan friesen
Very weird.
When that happened, I was like, I don't know what to do.
I don't know what to do.
jordan holmes
Why would you pray?
dan friesen
It's Sunday.
jordan holmes
Why does anybody pray?
dan friesen
I mean, I understand it has a sort of meditative effect.
There's reasonable reasons to do it.
jordan holmes
Lord, please don't let me get hit by a gay bomb.
Gay bomb.
That would really bum me out, Jesus.
dan friesen
So October 19th is a boring-ass show, so I don't know any clips of it, but I'll run down a little bit of what happened on there.
Alex Jones has learned about Holman Square here in Chicago.
Was it CIA or was it just police dark site?
jordan holmes
It was the police.
unidentified
The police.
jordan holmes
It was just the regular old CPD.
dan friesen
Alex might think it's CIA.
But the Dark Sight was tortured people.
jordan holmes
Come on, Alex.
Our police system can be as corrupt and evil as anybody else's.
dan friesen
Undoubtedly.
So he's learned about that, and he minimizes it by being like, we reported on that a decade ago.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
Great.
He eulogizes Erwin Schiff, the father of Peter Schiff, who is an economist.
jordan holmes
Yep, the notoriously tax-based prosecution or persecuted man.
dan friesen
Yeah, and he goes on a long jag about how he was a great man and they put him in prison because he wouldn't stop selling a police.
jordan holmes
Political prisoner.
Political prisoner.
They were crushing our free speech, Dan.
dan friesen
Declares that he hopes that he has the level of courage that Erwin Schiff does.
I'm like, okay, great.
jordan holmes
I think I have enough courage not to pay taxes.
dan friesen
Possibly.
jordan holmes
I don't think it would be too hard.
dan friesen
No, it's not a courageous act.
It's kind of a lazy act.
jordan holmes
No, I could just be like, ah, I forgot, guys.
Whatever.
dan friesen
He goes on a long jag about how psychos like to attack women and children because they grovel more.
jordan holmes
Makes sense.
dan friesen
And psychos get more out of that because men are too strong.
Men are too strong to make scared.
jordan holmes
Perfect.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So that's not internalized.
jordan holmes
Doesn't get much internochrome from toxic masculines.
dan friesen
Not at all.
He also says that he doesn't make his kids do their homework because he encourages them to just be more manipulative, basically.
Great.
You just got to know how to get things out of people.
That's perfect.
jordan holmes
That's great.
dan friesen
That should have come up in your fucking head.
jordan holmes
Yeah, no kidding.
If he hadn't said it on the show, it would have.
dan friesen
The only thing I regret not pulling, but I felt like it was petty of me to do so, is he goes on a long rant about how some ambassador's daughter is sexually aroused by the idea of killing him because she was on MSNBC and talked about how much he hates Alex Jones.
And he was just like, look at that.
You could tell she's fucking wet.
I mean, not in those words.
That's what he's getting at.
He's like, oh, she just wants me.
That sort of thing.
It's nonsense.
The rest of the show is all just super boring.
There's nothing about Trump.
But at the end, he has an interview with a guy named Martin Armstrong.
And he has not come up on the show before, but he is a guy that Alex thinks is a genius, and he has created...
jordan holmes
He's an idiot.
dan friesen
He's created an algorithm, maybe, or a computer program that has accurately predicted a couple of weird stock collapses around the world and economies where the dollar or whatever their currency has fallen out.
He has predicted a couple things in the past that have been borderline prophetic.
I don't know if this is true.
I'm just going on what they say on the show.
I did not look into it.
Here's why.
Because he literally predicts that the economic collapse of the dollar has to happen by March 2016.
jordan holmes
How did it go?
dan friesen
Did not happen.
jordan holmes
Are you sure?
dan friesen
Yep, positive.
jordan holmes
Okay.
I'm going to trust you on this one, Dan.
dan friesen
Also, he talks a bit about the Cokes, the Koch brothers.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I hope they die.
dan friesen
And his take on the Cokes is that there's one little part of things.
jordan holmes
They are not.
dan friesen
Which makes me think that maybe he has some allegiances to the Cokes.
jordan holmes
Oh, absolutely.
Those fucking libertarian cocksucking pieces of shit.
dan friesen
Well, right-wing billionaires, he's not so worried about.
jordan holmes
Of course not.
dan friesen
Left-wing billionaires.
jordan holmes
Why would you give a shit that Robert Mercer just fucking ruined the election in Kenya?
No big fucking deal.
No big problem that Robert Mercer has officially screwed up three countries now.
dan friesen
But the Supreme Court in Kenya overturned the election.
jordan holmes
That is good news.
dan friesen
Yeah, so we'll see what happens.
jordan holmes
If only we had a functional fucking Supreme Court, Dan!
dan friesen
It'd be nice.
So I do think it's very interesting, the idea that that right-wing, left-wing billionaire thing, because Soros, he says, is literally trying to overthrow other countries, whereas we, I mean, Mercer did.
jordan holmes
Did.
dan friesen
Did do that.
jordan holmes
Did absolutely do that.
dan friesen
So we move on.
jordan holmes
For real, Mercer is a supervillain.
Like, it's kind of amazing.
Like, if it weren't for the fact that it was destroying the world, it would be kind of admirable to see one man destroy the world.
dan friesen
Either way, it's impressive.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it is impressive.
dan friesen
In as much as it makes an impression.
jordan holmes
Yes.
Yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
But be that as it may, we've got to get on to the 20th because the 20th, I think, is I don't even know how to put it strongly enough.
jordan holmes
The 20th.
Sorry, I can't get off Mercer for a second.
I can't get off Mercer for a second.
It is just like the true end point as Dan takes a sip of wine when I start talking.
It is kind of the true endpoint of unregulated capitalism that one guy can just sell overthrowing countries.
Like, that's kind of insane.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Like, it's what, and it's what happened with all the banana republics that we've gone over in the past.
Like, capitalism is an engine to destroy human life.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
And this stuff with, like, Blackwater making the argument, Eric Prince making the argument.
jordan holmes
Privatize the Iraq war.
dan friesen
Right.
That's basically the same thing.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
That's basically difficult to overthrow countries.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
Yeah, to some extent.
Right.
The world's going to.
jordan holmes
I'm starting to think the second sons in Game of Thrones aren't exactly the good guys.
unidentified
Uh-oh.
Yeah.
dan friesen
So we've got to get to the 20th.
jordan holmes
I want to talk about Mercer.
dan friesen
I want to talk about Game of Thrones.
unidentified
All right.
jordan holmes
The 20th, Dan.
dan friesen
All right.
We have reached a détente.
jordan holmes
We'll compromise and continue on with the show.
dan friesen
I will offer you, by way of rapprochement, I will offer you this next clip where Alex Jones finally says something about Donald Trump.
jordan holmes
Okay.
alex jones
Just look at these headlines at Infowars.com.
Trump, Bush knew in advance 9-11 was coming.
Well, Trump knows that was in the New York Post and the New York Times just weeks after 9-11.
It came out there was advanced knowledge, and then years later, the memo came out that Condalisa Rice did have specifics and was told not to fly the day of 9-11.
The day before, she even called Billy Brown, then mayor of San Francisco, and told him not to fly.
And then I would hold up the San Francisco Chronicle or the New York Post with headlines, Bush knew, and they would have national media claim that I was saying that Bush blew up the towers.
I don't know what Bush specifically did.
I know there were bombs in Building 7 and it fell at free fall speeds, which even NIST has had to admit now.
After, what was it, eight, nine years of them denying it?
They started admitting it about five years ago.
jordan holmes
Did they?
alex jones
So that's a big deal.
We've got Donald Trump's comments coming up.
dan friesen
So that's what he has.
He's pretty excited that Donald Trump is bringing 9-11 up to insult Jeb Bush.
jordan holmes
Right.
That's such a weird because that's a signal-to-noise ratio issue with our intelligence system.
Yeah, we knew, or not we, but our agencies knew that an attack was possible and was coming.
dan friesen
That's why I did the duh sound there.
jordan holmes
But they also knew that 10 million different attacks were possible, and there are so many different threats going on.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
It's hard for, it's hard for, and then, you know, intelligence agencies have a weird competition with each other, so they don't necessarily share information.
Like, there's a whole series of comical errors that led to thousands of people dying.
alex jones
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Like, it's, you know, and I suppose you like somebody should be blamed for that.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
But I think the larger issue is all the war crimes and the lies.
dan friesen
I agree.
jordan holmes
I think that's probably the bigger issue.
dan friesen
I agree wholeheartedly.
jordan holmes
And it sucks that a couple of thousand people died in the United States, but the half a million civilians that died in Iraq, that's probably worse.
dan friesen
Yeah, definitely.
Yeah.
Definitely.
jordan holmes
Probably.
dan friesen
Definitely.
jordan holmes
Okay, definitely.
Just from a mathematical standpoint.
dan friesen
But it's interesting.
No talk about Trump for a couple days.
And now that Trump has tried to cuck out Jeb Bush with his 9-11 stuff, Trump doesn't give a fuck about 9-11.
His response on 9-11 was, now my buildings look bigger.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
So he doesn't give a shit at all.
jordan holmes
And I love just using it to insult a competitor.
I loved how much money he donated to all the.
Wait, no, that was none.
That was none.
I'm a big fan of him promising to donate a million dollars to the Houston Recovery effort.
Wait, is it not going to be his personal money or fucking really going to happen?
Probably.
I like how he's going to release his tax returns.
I don't think he's actually going to do that.
Wait, no, he said he wasn't going to do that.
I like how there is a fucking wildfire going on in L.A. right now.
It's a fucking emergency.
I like his response to that.
Wait, no, there was no response.
You know what I'm a big fan of?
That he fucking ended DACA.
That's great.
It's great that we have two national fucking emergencies going on, but wonderful.
Let's kick hundreds of thousands of people out who have done goddamn nothing wrong.
I fucking love it.
And then my fucking Christian bullshit family is like, no, this is a good idea.
Fuck you.
Fuck this.
Fuck Trump.
Anyways.
dan friesen
You good?
jordan holmes
A little bit.
dan friesen
Okay.
jordan holmes
Not really.
dan friesen
No.
jordan holmes
Not really.
I'm still very, very angry about this.
dan friesen
I was going to see if you could make it to the two-minute.
jordan holmes
I just don't know how.
I could, but it's just so expected at this point.
Like, I'm not at all surprised.
dan friesen
Yeah, that's the normalization, Mama.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it's, it's, I'm.
dan friesen
Normalization, baby.
jordan holmes
I'm angry.
I'm so furious, but it's like, well, of course he's doing this.
dan friesen
Yeah, all of this, like, repeated bullshit.
That's an apathy bomb, baby.
jordan holmes
Every fucking time.
It's just such a normal occurrence now to watch a man be a monster.
And it, you, and he does it in such a dumb way that it's, it, it's almost smokescreen for the monsters who are going to carry this out.
dan friesen
But he called out Jeb about his brother, and Alex is excited about that.
jordan holmes
All right, well, then let's make that man president.
dan friesen
He's pretty excited about it.
I don't know if it's enough to get him on board yet, but he's pretty pumped that a weirdo is talking shit because most presidential candidates would know that this is.
jordan holmes
Wait, Alex Jones is pumped that a weirdo is talking shit?
I can see no parallel.
dan friesen
No, he's thrilled that someone is bringing his world into respectable society.
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
And I think that as we all were.
Oh, yeah.
Super, super excited about that.
But he does not stay on that topic very long.
He has other fish to fry on this October 20th show, namely, what's going on with Hitler?
alex jones
Hitler was a bad guy, but he was shut up by British intelligence.
He had a secret treaty with him that's come out with the Deputy Führer, Rudolph Hess.
That's why he later parachuted into Edward VIII's home estate with the treaty in his hand.
That's why they locked him up in the Tower of London.
That's right.
The vice president of Germany, the deputy Führer.
dan friesen
That's not the same thing.
alex jones
Parachuted.
He was a World War I ace.
Jumped out and skydived into Edward VIII's palace with the treaty, thinking that stunt wouldn't do anything for him.
dan friesen
That's true.
alex jones
He got locked up in the middle of the street.
jordan holmes
He was like, I live here now.
alex jones
So that's how this stuff works.
dan friesen
So that is how it works.
unidentified
Is it?
dan friesen
It's not.
jordan holmes
I feel like it's not.
dan friesen
He is so full of shit.
jordan holmes
Was it Edward VIII who, or no, which it was one of the royal family who had to leave because he was appeasing Hitler?
dan friesen
Yeah, I believe that was.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that was Edward VIII.
I recall that.
I don't believe he signed a secret treaty.
dan friesen
Also, Rudolph Hess was going not to meet with him.
He was going to meet with the Duke of Hamilton.
jordan holmes
Ah, yes.
Lynn Manuel Miranda.
dan friesen
Indeed.
This story is super interesting, and I don't know if enough people know about it, but Alex Jones is lying his ass off about it.
So Rudolph Hess was 100% set up.
There is no doubt about that.
But he wasn't set up the way Alex thinks.
jordan holmes
Hitler wasn't set up.
dan friesen
Wasn't.
jordan holmes
Hess was.
dan friesen
In May 1941, Rudolf Hess took a plane and flew into Scotland.
He was carrying with him a proposal that he intended to deliver to Churchill that he hoped would create a truce between Germany and England.
He wanted to do this because he knew that Hitler was about to attack the Soviet Union.
And he thought, boy, this would be real fucking dumb to be fighting in East and West.
I think that would probably be a disaster.
jordan holmes
So in a certain way, he's smart.
dan friesen
Yeah, and the initial appearance of it is that he was trying to save Hitler from himself.
And he was trying to create peace with the West in order to attack the East.
Yes.
I don't know about that.
That's a little bit of a dicey argument, but not a good argument.
Hess was set up by British intelligence for sure because he got in touch with somebody and they recommended that he reach out to the Duke of Hamilton.
And so he sent a letter to the Duke of Hamilton, intending to try and set up a soiree where the two of them could get a peace accord going and get it to Churchill.
But the letter that he sent was intercepted by MI6.
MI5?
I can't remember the numbers.
It wasn't Bond.
Okay.
Whatever the case.
So it gets intercepted by British intelligence, and he doesn't hear back from his contact, the Duke of Hamilton.
He's like, fuck it, I'm going anyway.
jordan holmes
And we know these things.
See, now he went from being smart to not being smart.
dan friesen
Well, we know these things because of letters that he wrote to his wife.
So a lot of this.
jordan holmes
So now he's double not smart.
dan friesen
Well, and also he left a letter for Hitler after he left to explain, I'm going to England, and this is the reason I'm doing it.
jordan holmes
Dear Hitler, I will miss you so much.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
But I feel like I must take this journey for both of our best interests.
dan friesen
It would be true if that was what was said.
Because, I mean, if we take ethics out of it, take monstrosity out of it, just from a simple strategy point, he could have saved Germany from losing the war.
jordan holmes
It's so wonderful how many horrible dictators wind up destroying themselves.
Like, that's nice.
dan friesen
It's reassuring in a little bit.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
So there's more to this.
jordan holmes
Unfortunately, they commit all them atrocities first.
dan friesen
There's more to this story.
So Hess contacted the Duke of Hamilton because someone told him that he was a member of the opposition party in England and that he secretly didn't want to have war with Germany.
So he thought he would be a sympathetic ear for all this.
He was not.
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
He was absolutely not.
So Hess goes over, he flies, and he does parachute out, but he lands in his.
jordan holmes
He would have to.
There's no way that they're letting a German plane land in the UK.
What are you fucking talking about?
I'll just land on his base.
No big deal.
dan friesen
So the way Alex describes it, it's almost like he parachutes in the window.
That's not what he did.
It was on the estate.
He lands on the guy's property somewhere.
jordan holmes
Triple dumb.
dan friesen
He's immediately found by landscapers or just people around.
I don't know.
I'm assuming what the landscaper thinks.
jordan holmes
That's like from Hotshots Part Dew.
Yeah.
Some guy trimming a hedge is like, wait, what the fuck are you doing over there?
dan friesen
We've got to capture you.
So he's immediately captured and kept as a prisoner of war.
And eventually the war ends.
He's part of the Nuremberg trials.
And he gets a trial.
And they decide that based on the position that he had, he absolutely conspired to create a war unlawfully, but he didn't necessarily commit crimes against humanity or any of the camp stuff.
jordan holmes
I don't understand how those charges are different.
dan friesen
I don't either, but he ended up getting a life sentence instead of death.
And so he ended up going to the Spandau prison and died in 1980-something at the age of 93.
He committed suicide.
So that's how.
jordan holmes
That's too late.
dan friesen
Yes.
jordan holmes
Should have gotten him earlier.
dan friesen
So that's his story from life to death.
Publicly, when he went in 1941, Hitler was furious about this.
He took it as a personal betrayal because he was chiefly worried about the idea of what is Japan and Italy going to think if it looks like I allowed someone to try and make peace with England.
They are not going to trust me anymore, and our whole alliance is going to break down.
So he put on this public face of like, I'm furious at this guy to the point where he stripped Hess of all of his titles.
He was the deputy Führer, but that wasn't the vice president.
jordan holmes
That's like it's third and third.
dan friesen
Yeah, Hermann Goering was second, and then Hess was third.
But he stripped him of his office and all of his titles, and the order was given to shoot him on sight.
And so that made everyone think that Hitler had nothing to do with it.
jordan holmes
Right, when in fact...
dan friesen
So, some documents have come out that suggest that Hitler did know in advance that Hess was going to fly to Scotland in this attempted mission to entice the UK into peace in order to have a bigger war elsewhere.
But just not with you guys.
jordan holmes
Dear Hess, I wish you the best on this journey.
I shall miss you every day you're gone.
So truly, we are brothers.
unidentified
A.H.
dan friesen
So the idea that Hitler did know about it comes from some documents that were written by Hess's adjudent, which is, I guess, I didn't know this.
I guess it's basically just an administrative assistant to military people.
jordan holmes
It's a PA.
dan friesen
Yeah, so I read this.
There's an article from Der Spiegel that talks about this.
And these documents are dubious.
And it's one of the things that Alex Jones is basing this idea that there was a secret treaty on.
And all legitimate evidence shows that Hitler and Hess probably conspired together to send Hess with a potential peace treaty to try and entice them into not fighting while they took out or tried to take out the Soviet Union.
And then, of course, aggression would begin again.
jordan holmes
Of course.
dan friesen
They needed the West not to attack on that front, also.
But here's this from the article in Der Spiegel, which brings us into why Alex Jones might believe some of these narratives.
At the end of the war, the adjudent became a prisoner of war in the Soviet Union, where he was questioned by Soviet intelligence about the events in the spring of 1941.
According to historian Uhl, I don't have his first name here, I feel shitty.
Anyway, Uhl.
According to his research, copies of his statements were sent to Soviet dictator Joseph Stalin, Foreign Minister Molotov, and someone else.
The head of the intelligence service.
unidentified
Okay.
dan friesen
I can't say Russian names on the fly.
jordan holmes
Don't worry about it.
dan friesen
It's unclear whether what these men read was the truth or simply what they wanted Pinch to say.
That's the adjudant.
It is noticeable that the adjudent used vocabulary more commonly found in Soviet propaganda.
The Cold War had already begun, and Pinch's statement stated that the reason he wanted to go public with his information at this particular time was that, quote, reactionary circles in England and America are striving to unleash a war.
The adjudent statement ends with these words: quote, the facts I'm reporting confirm that England, by promoting Hitler's aggression against Soviet Russia, acted in accordance with its old principle of using foreign hands to remove the chestnuts from the fire.
The theory of a Russian-British conspiracy corresponds to the interpretation favored by Stalin, who, until the German invasion of his country in June 22nd, 1941, had believed that Hitler would not allow a war on two fronts and would seek peace with Britain first.
But Stalin was wrong.
jordan holmes
Naturally.
dan friesen
So, let's look at this.
The idea that there was a conspiracy between Germany and England.
Soviet propaganda.
jordan holmes
Where would that come from?
dan friesen
Soviet propaganda.
jordan holmes
No, I'm going to need more.
No, never mind.
That's one of the reasons that if you are at all intelligent, you realize that torture doesn't work unless you want someone to say what you want them to.
dan friesen
If you want a specific outcome.
jordan holmes
Yeah, exactly.
If you want reality, what you do is the same dumb shit that we did with the German scientists after World War II, which is you fucking give them whatever they want.
Yeah.
dan friesen
But the reason that I know we took a little bit of time on this, what seems to be a tossaway narrative on Alex's part, is because, once again, it ties back to the fact that Alex will believe any Russian propaganda.
He's beholden to Russian propaganda, from the protocols of the Elders of Zion to the idea that Germany and England conspired.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
It is.
dan friesen
And that they set up Hitler.
jordan holmes
It is crazy that the beginning of this all goes back to Russian intelligence.
Like, that's bananas to me that 100 years ago, Russian intelligence made Alex Jones happen.
Like, that's bananas.
dan friesen
And I think the fact that we're uncovering this might lead to our death.
jordan holmes
I hope so.
dan friesen
Quite frankly.
jordan holmes
That's a great way to die.
Are you shitting me?
dan friesen
I think our live show might end with us getting murdered.
Quite frankly.
jordan holmes
Herman Hess will actually parachute in and murder us.
dan friesen
I'm fine with Herman Hess doing it.
Rudolph Hess, no.
Because I have a tattoo of Herman Hess at one of his books on my shoulder.
jordan holmes
I know.
That's what makes it funny.
dan friesen
I love the man.
I'm not sure I love him, but I love some of his works.
unidentified
Okay.
dan friesen
I don't know.
He might have been a bad dude.
But anyway, also.
jordan holmes
He broke your heart.
dan friesen
The more interesting.
Yeah, I fucking did not like Narcissus and Goldman.
Not a great book.
Siddhartha is fine.
jordan holmes
Siddhartha's okay.
dan friesen
It's fine.
jordan holmes
It's okay.
dan friesen
It's fine.
jordan holmes
Welcome back to the Knowledge Fight podcast, where we are now discussing weird literature that we write.
dan friesen
Isn't that weird?
But at the same time, I love that our book review show would be us agreeing in different tones.
It's a good book.
It's a great book.
jordan holmes
It's okay.
dan friesen
So also, it's just interesting that Alex Jones believes such flimsy shit in order to defend Hitler.
Hitler, of all people.
unidentified
Like, what are you doing?
jordan holmes
I mean, it's crazy that Marvel would have him supporting the Red Skull.
That's the first thing that I think.
dan friesen
At this point, it just makes more and more sense.
jordan holmes
When I hear him defending Hitler, I think, the Red Skull wasn't that bad.
dan friesen
Yeah, that's fair.
Marvel should be offended by it.
jordan holmes
Yeah, exactly.
You're actually normalizing Alex Jones by having him support Red Skull.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So the episode goes on, and he has a fairly long interview with a gentleman by the name of Joel Skousen, who is a dick.
I don't know his credits.
I don't care to list him off here.
But one of his primary narratives is that the government straight up did 9-11.
He doesn't have time for this mealy-mouthed bullshit that Alex is throwing around.
unidentified
Right.
Nope.
dan friesen
Government all the way.
jordan holmes
That's one of the conspiracy.
Like, there's one conspiracy theory, and that is that the United States government perpetrated 9-11 that I will never not have a twinge of, like, maybe.
Like, I don't know what it is about that one in particular, because I don't give a shit about conspiracy theories.
Like, JFK.
Like, I don't care.
Chances are he was killed by.
dan friesen
That's probably because it was not in your lifetime.
jordan holmes
That's possible, but at the same time, like, that's the big conspiracy theory.
You know, that's always going to be that turning point of history of did.
dan friesen
That's when the globalists were created.
jordan holmes
Well, pretty much.
Like, did that happen?
But 9-11 being perpetrated by the U.S. government, it's such a I think it's just a W thing.
I think it's just like such a George W. Bush move.
Like, I don't know what it is about W, but it's like, I bet he probably committed that.
dan friesen
And to be fair, I don't believe that.
jordan holmes
Of course not.
dan friesen
But it's one of the reasons I don't want to unpack 9-11 stuff too hard on this podcast.
Like, that's what they want you to think.
One of our big rules is we're never doing a 9-11 episode.
There's just too much.
There's too many theories.
A lot of them are pretty easy to debunk.
And some are impossible to debunk.
jordan holmes
And most of them are dumb.
Right.
unidentified
But that's.
dan friesen
But some of them are just not dumb enough.
jordan holmes
I think that's the thing.
I hate W so much.
Like, that's the amazing thing about Trump.
As bad as Trump is, W was the worst.
Like, W has led to more destabilization.
And it's really, no, of course.
dan friesen
If he has two terms, he'll do way worse.
jordan holmes
Oh, my God.
If he has two terms, it's too late for all of us.
dan friesen
W had eight years to do a lot of the work.
jordan holmes
W was a true.
Well, W is probably fine, but Cheney was a true monster.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
In the same way that Kissinger.
Yeah, Kissinger was a true monster.
dan friesen
I mean, don't you think that part of the function of that is that they were good at administrative shit?
Like, the devil is probably a great middle manager, metaphorically.
jordan holmes
I would bet not metaphorically either.
dan friesen
But you know what I mean?
jordan holmes
Yeah, no, no, I do know.
dan friesen
Trump is not going to be able to implement all the evil shit he wants to because he's so bad at paperwork.
jordan holmes
And he's surrounded by idiots.
Yeah.
Unlike W, who had Cheney and Cheney was an evil monster.
Right.
But that's why I have a hard time immediately getting over my emotional reaction to 9-11 consistently.
dan friesen
And just missing it whole cloth.
jordan holmes
Yeah, exactly.
Because if you told me Cheney did anything, regardless of how insane it was, I'd have a twinge of like, he probably did.
There would be that moment.
dan friesen
I want to take every clip of everything Alex says about the globalists and cut in me saying, Dick Cheney.
jordan holmes
And I would be like, it's probably true.
It doesn't make sense.
Just for a moment, it's not like I believe it.
It's just like there's always that moment of like, oh, that could have happened.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So Joel Skousen.
jordan holmes
Like, I wouldn't put it past Cheney to have committed 9-11.
unidentified
Sure.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
I'm okay with us leaving it there.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
That's where it ends.
dan friesen
So Joel Skousen is on the show, and like I said, he's a dick.
Right.
jordan holmes
9-11.
dan friesen
We're not going to listen to too much of that, but I do want to.
jordan holmes
Never forget Joel Skousen.
dan friesen
I do want to point out that Alex just has guests on who believe shit like this.
alex jones
Sutherland admits this is world government.
joel skousen
Well, I think it has to do also with the satanic nature of this conspiracy.
I mean, clearly, you can't, no single person, any mafia, evil, wealthy, powerful person couldn't get this globalist agenda started two or three centuries ago and direct it and keep it going past 20 or 30 years.
It has to be a revelatory, guided conspiracy.
And I think there's something, a dimension beyond global government in terms of destruction of culture, destruction of Christianity, destruction of religion, and the creation of a worldly secular society where there's conflict and hatred.
dan friesen
So, yeah, the devil.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
unidentified
Right.
steve pieczenik
The devil.
dan friesen
I just wanted to show that like.
jordan holmes
That'd be great if that's how half of our clips ended with just Alex Jones saying some dumb shit and we're like, it's the devil.
And then we move on.
dan friesen
It's become blase.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Like, eh, all right.
jordan holmes
Oh, is it just the devil?
Boring.
dan friesen
Another person blaming the devil for shit.
All right.
jordan holmes
Do these people actually believe the devil is real?
dan friesen
I think so.
jordan holmes
Do people actually believe the devil is real?
dan friesen
I think some of these people do.
It's tough to tell who's authentic and who's doing it for working across purposes, trying to score some other points.
Yeah.
Like Alex Jones, obviously, I think his Christianity is an act, and I think he's doing it in order to bolster his white identity beliefs and stuff like that.
jordan holmes
What he believes is entirely different.
dan friesen
Yeah, it's some sort of bizarre.
Like, in the same way he believes in common law as opposed to law, he believes in common Christianity.
Yeah.
Some sort of proto-Christianity, perhaps even.
jordan holmes
He's like some sort of weird spiritual.
dan friesen
Well, you know how he doesn't really understand how to tell if something's fake and he's tricked by every single piece of Soviet propaganda?
Right.
It's really possible that he read a bunch of the lost books of the Bible and forgotten books of Eden or any of those gospels that were written as literature back then.
Anyone could just write a book about biblical figures.
jordan holmes
I kind of find it more likely.
There's hundreds of books.
I find it more likely that he, like in the same way, like if you recall, he had the six-hour long dream.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
Like, I can.
dan friesen
Oh, that's his religion.
jordan holmes
I find it more likely that he has what he thinks are revelation-style dreams.
That's possible.
That's more likely to me what it is his religion is.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
And that's why his sense of morality is non-existent.
dan friesen
He believes it's God dictating it, but it's really whatever he in his subconscious wants to will.
jordan holmes
It's whatever he, it's whatever he wants to justify whatever it is he says.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
His prejudices are his religion.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
In the same way that most people's are.
dan friesen
Yeah.
That's not unique to him.
jordan holmes
Yeah, exactly.
dan friesen
So Joel Skousen also is like that, and he's not thrilled with Muslims in general.
Oh, what?
And so Alex actually has this to say.
He has this to say in this clip.
alex jones
And again, the Muslims I went to high school with and college were professionals.
Their parents were community college engineers.
They were pretty nice people.
I liked them.
But the new influxes are poor.
They are not assimilating.
They're very arrogant.
Instead of being like, hey, I'm embarrassed and I'm here getting stuff free.
It's a very chest-out, face-out, you better watch it attitude that the left is instilling in them.
Very, very destructive.
And then the left loves all this when it should be totally incompatible with their whole lifestyle of we're going to teach your five-year-olds how to have gay sex.
Well, the Muslims would chop their heads off for that.
joel skousen
But they're very angry as well.
And you see that in every video in Europe, just the anger and the hatred against Western society because you don't give us enough fast enough.
dan friesen
Ah, they don't give enough.
jordan holmes
Yeah, you never see anger in a Western society.
dan friesen
Certainly not.
You never see anybody show.
jordan holmes
You never see anybody screaming.
I fucking, that shit drives me insane.
dan friesen
I noticed from your body language.
jordan holmes
Every fucking.
Yeah, okay.
All right, Dan.
dan friesen
Calm it down.
jordan holmes
I'm sorry.
dan friesen
I understand.
But make your point.
jordan holmes
It's every fucking time you get this kind of bigotry, there is always the preamble of the ones I met were fine.
dan friesen
Right.
The good ones.
jordan holmes
Almost like they're fucking people, like every fucking body else.
And if you didn't sit in your tiny little spot, only ever interacting with white people, maybe you would fucking figure that shit out.
Yeah, it drives me insane that there's always that fucking story.
The news articles you read about Trump cities who are like, wait a second, the guy we know is going to be deported?
I didn't realize that was a possibility.
And that's because they're fucking stupid.
Every single fucking one of these people is fucking dumb.
And I'm done with this shit.
And I don't want it.
dan friesen
Here's what's fascinating about what all of these people do: they resist the urge to commit a composition fallacy while at the same time committing a composition fallacy.
So essentially what that is, is you take a single example and universalize it to a group.
So if I were to, I don't know, talk about you, I would say guys with visible tattoos scream a lot.
And that would be wrong.
That's one example.
Personally.
One example.
jordan holmes
A lot?
dan friesen
I think I have hours of evidence.
jordan holmes
I disagree.
dan friesen
But that is wrong to do because there's nothing intrinsic about having visible tattoos that would make one want to scream or more likely to scream.
jordan holmes
Of course.
dan friesen
So the composition fallacy they refuse to make is I know a good Muslim, therefore all Muslims are good.
But they do still make it with the I'm scared of that Muslim Muslims.
And it's fascinating to me because on the one hand, good.
I mean, you should be.
jordan holmes
You have an appropriate skepticism in a certain extent and a completely inappropriate and destructive, murderous logical fallacy in the other.
dan friesen
Right, and it indicates that you're not operating from a place of reason or logic.
You're operating from visceral experience, but you're trying to present it as something that's rational, reasonable.
And it's just not.
It comes from, I don't know, childhood fears, propaganda that you've taken in, all this stuff.
jordan holmes
My dad sends me articles from The Spectator and National Review, which is just this.
It's the exact same shit Alex Jones yells about, but wrapped up in this pseudo-intellectual bullshit.
Like, it's pathetic to see somebody...
It's like seeing an ape learn how to use a tool.
Mm-hmm.
dan friesen
That's not pathetic.
That's glorious.
jordan holmes
I know, it is, but it's like, no, you're still, well, I suppose, yeah, I suppose it's something that is really, really unsophisticated, learning how to use language in such a way as to masquerade as something that is researched.
dan friesen
But at the same time, the National Review isn't making millions of dollars selling disaster supplies.
So maybe it's Alex who knows how to use a tool.
jordan holmes
That's a good point.
dan friesen
I'm not sure.
jordan holmes
Maybe it's the National Review that's dumb.
dan friesen
Yeah.
But anyway, I have this next clip.
jordan holmes
They're catering to a smaller and smaller part of the GOP, which is people who think they care about being smart.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So this next clip, I have, and I'm including as a technicality.
This is just every time this comes up, we must point it out.
alex jones
Also, was Oregon a false flag like Newtown?
dan friesen
Uh-oh.
jordan holmes
Uh-oh.
Wait, wait, wait.
Dean, what was in Oregon?
dan friesen
Oregon was that shooting that happened like a couple weeks back from where we are in the timeline.
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
dan friesen
And Newtown was Sandy Hook.
jordan holmes
Oh, was it?
dan friesen
That Alex claims.
jordan holmes
Was it also a false flag?
unidentified
Nope.
dan friesen
Nope.
Wasn't that false?
jordan holmes
No, it wasn't a false flag?
Nope.
dan friesen
But Alex Jones denies that he ever said that.
He just had debates.
But it seems like every time it comes up.
jordan holmes
Was it a false flag like Newtown?
Suggests it being a false flag is still up in the air.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
Whereas Newtown being a false flag is decided.
Yes.
That's called.
dan friesen
Dumb.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
dan friesen
So the other thing, the reason that he brings that up as a speculation is because we are about to meet Steve Pieczenik.
Steve Pieczenik is a guest on this episode.
Dr. Steve Pieczenik.
unidentified
No.
dan friesen
And what I learned is that he's actually been coming on the show for a very long time.
No.
But he has not been on in a while.
And it's clear that he's come on because he needs Alex Jones to get on board with the narrative, and he needs to do it quick.
He does not have time to fuck around and try and coach Alex behind the scenes.
He has to come on the show and reveal some information and pray that Alex gets on board because otherwise whatever he's working towards isn't going to work out.
We're going to listen to some clips of Steve.
We'll deal with each one along the way.
But there's a couple of things that I need to point out ahead of time that are very important for you to listen for as we go along.
We talked about this already.
Steve Pieczenik is in Psyops.
He is a psych warfare guy.
jordan holmes
So you can trust what he says.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
He's a doctor.
dan friesen
He is.
Of Psych Warfare.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Like Dr. Group.
Uh-huh.
Such a way as you can trust everything that he says.
unidentified
No, no, no.
jordan holmes
Exactly like Dr. Group.
Steve Pieczenik tells the truth all the time.
Never does he try and manipulate people in order to sell a certain idea.
dan friesen
I think Dr. Group is a little less manipulative.
And Steve Pieczenik is way smarter, and I think he is deploying psychological warfare.
And one of the reasons that I think that is listen to how many times throughout the clips that we're going to be listening to, he intentionally flatters Alex and basically tells him that he is one of the reasons that a revolution could be possible.
He completely, in the same way.
jordan holmes
Is this where we get the counter coup?
dan friesen
Oh, we're going to get to it.
jordan holmes
Oh, we're getting the counter coup now.
dan friesen
Actually, not really, because the stuff about Hillary's emails hasn't fully come out yet.
And that is when Steve Pacheney.
jordan holmes
That's when the counter-counter coups.
dan friesen
That's when he's going to adjust the narrative that he starts on this episode.
unidentified
Yes.
dan friesen
He has some really fucked up things to say.
But at the same time, listen for the flattery because that is psych warfare.
That is manipulating Alex exactly how he knows Alex is vulnerable.
unidentified
Right.
jordan holmes
No, absolutely.
Dan, I feel like you do a great job at curating all of these clips.
dan friesen
Fuck you.
You got my psych profile way wrong.
So in this first clip of Steve, we just admits that he's in psych warfare.
steve pieczenik
Let me repeat that again.
I work in Intelligence.
I ran Psyops operation.
I worked very closely with the Bushes.
I know Roger A. O's a fox.
So I know exactly what they're trying to cover up and what they're doing.
It is not working.
Thanks to you, Alex, and thanks to the American public.
They're falling apart.
Jeb Bush is there, the easy it is for me to attack them and the United States to attack Jeb and the Bush family in total.
dan friesen
So this is the beginning of his narrative, and that is that it's all about attacking Jeb because the Bush crime family must pay for committing 9-11.
jordan holmes
Here's a quick question that I have, especially about Pieczenik.
What, or not especially, exactly about Pachenek, what psyops did he run?
dan friesen
It's never really clear.
So, like, he was deeply involved in a lot of stuff, apparently.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Like, he's not like Jerome Coursey.
jordan holmes
Do we have any evidence, though?
dan friesen
I don't, but I also have not dug too deep into it.
jordan holmes
Uh-huh.
Because we don't want to die before September 9th at 9 p.m.
dan friesen
I'm of two minds about it.
I think he legit was involved in some stuff, but I also think that he no longer really is.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Because if he.
jordan holmes
No, that makes that.
Of course he's not.
If he's going on InfoWars.
dan friesen
But I also think that the stuff that he's going to end up talking about is horseshit.
Because if he was really doing these things, he would not go on InfoWars and jeopardize them by blabbing.
jordan holmes
At the same time, though, if you are doing those things, InfoWars is a great place to go on in order to strongly.
dan friesen
Because he's going to describe various psyops that he's engaged in.
And I think the psyop is on Alex's audience.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
I don't think the things that he claims are actually the things he's doing.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
The end goal is to get Alex Jones' audience on the side I want them on, which is Donald Trump.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Are you against Jeb Bush?
jordan holmes
Right.
Are you giving him too much credit?
Anytime somebody goes on InfoWars, I feel like they get minus 10 points in credit.
dan friesen
Oh, I mean, he doesn't.
jordan holmes
In regards to anything.
dan friesen
Oh, totally.
Yeah, he's docked.
He's docked some points.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
But I think the points I'm docking him are he's not really doing the things behind the scenes that he claims to be doing.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
I think he's still playing an incredible strategic game.
And you'll see as these clips go on, just keep it in your head that the end goal isn't what he says it is.
It is to manipulate Alex to become a puppet for him.
jordan holmes
Gotcha.
dan friesen
Or to become a puppet for the consortium that I believe is behind the scenes of various interested parties.
Perhaps the thing that Roger Stone has discussed, the 45 group, the secret organization of Trump supporters that apparently meets and talks about what they need to do.
jordan holmes
Yeah, but they just kind of hang out.
Right.
It's like in Roger Stone's summary, we just get together and we're like, we love Trump, right?
That's pretty much it.
That's pretty much what they do.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
But even still, I think that a bunch of dudes getting together and talking about how much they love Trump could have a bunch of guys who, you know, are maybe strategic in nature.
And they're like, okay, here's what we each can do with our skill set.
And it turns out most of it is manipulate Alex Jones.
Right.
I do think that it's so fascinating.
This dawned on me today because Roger Stone isn't around yet.
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
But we know he will be eventually.
It's fascinating to me that Alex Jones is so stupid that he teams up with a guy who has admitted that he runs psych warfare campaigns, but assures him I'm not doing it to you.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
And the world's most notorious rat fucker in terms of Roger Stone.
The dirty trick master and a psych warfare guy are the people.
Alex Jones is just a dumbass who gets tricked by propaganda and screams a lot.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
I can't believe, well, I can believe when you phrase it that way, but it's fascinating to me that his team are legitimate worm tongue dudes.
jordan holmes
Oh, yeah, for sure.
dan friesen
And he thinks that's totally fine.
These are the guys I'm going to get to bed with, the guys who manipulate everybody.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
I mean, at the same time, though, it has to be intensely attractive to be like, oh, the psych warfare guy is on my team.
So he's obviously working for me, which is exactly how psych warfare fucking works.
dan friesen
Especially when you can see it happening on the show and flattering him.
Like, thanks to you, we're able to do this.
jordan holmes
And it's like he's not even doing that good a job.
It's like he's just tossing off all of his psych warfare skills and just being like, hey, you're great.
Now say what I want you to say.
It's so simple.
It's not even like he's trying hard.
dan friesen
It is if you really look at it.
And listen to this next clip because we should get through some of this.
jordan holmes
Because we're on clip five and we have 300 more to go.
dan friesen
No, I just think we're talking too much about Steve without actually listening to what he's saying.
jordan holmes
Good point.
dan friesen
And I stand behind the things I'm saying.
I just don't want you to get too, you know, I don't want you to get knee-depth into this without knowing what the water looks like.
jordan holmes
Gotcha.
dan friesen
Which is a pretty good down-home.
unidentified
That is a great little colloquial.
dan friesen
Yeah, that's now I don't want you to turn into a duck for its time.
So in this next clip, Steve Pieczenik takes credit for Donald Trump basically existing in the public sphere.
alex jones
Your take on Donald Trump, your take on Carson and where the country is.
steve pieczenik
Thank you very much.
The truth of the matter is this is one of the most phenomenal American revolutions I have ever seen and the one we were waiting for, Alex.
I thank you and I thank the audience and I thank the so-called alternative media, which really became the mainstream media.
The reality is Trump had been monitoring this mainstream media for a long time.
I knew it.
He knew it.
Many of us had known that.
And in fact, when we put his name up for the next presidency, he took it and basically ran with it.
And this is the true expression of the moral majority and the fact that we are so tired of the people who committed the crime at 9-11 that once Trump gets in, my suspicion is many of them will be arrested.
And that's what I think will happen in the long run.
I don't know Trump personally.
I do know his background.
I know a lot about his character.
He is a man who will do exactly what he said.
dan friesen
If Steve Pieczenik, a psych warfare expert, is aware of Trump's past, that means he's aware of all of his dirty dealings.
He's aware of his involvement with Russia, financial or otherwise, and he knows about all that stuff.
What does that tell you?
jordan holmes
And not just that.
dan friesen
What does that tell you?
jordan holmes
Not just that.
The idea that he is saying many of them will be arrested.
dan friesen
Well, he's talking about like the claims.
jordan holmes
Yeah, exactly.
And if he is.
dan friesen
But he's also talking about the neocons.
It's not just Hitler.
jordan holmes
Right, right.
dan friesen
Hitler.
unidentified
Hillary.
dan friesen
That's an LGBTQ.
Oh, no, there it is.
There it is.
You know why that happened?
Because we're going to talk more about Hitler.
jordan holmes
Of course, of course.
No, but that is such a, if you're not an idiot, you know none of those people will be arrested.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
You know that.
But if you are an Alex Jones listener, you've got Hillary for Prison all up in your mind.
So if you think for a second that Trump is going to arrest anybody, you're dumb.
dan friesen
Well, give him six months.
jordan holmes
Well, that's possible.
dan friesen
might start locking up enemies.
jordan holmes
Even then, that seems like...
Well, at this point, nothing is beyond...
dan friesen
Shit moves fast.
jordan holmes
Yeah, nothing is beyond what could be happening.
But he is clearly doing that on purpose.
dan friesen
And you heard in that clip, even him saying, I thank you and I thank your audience.
Again, flattering.
jordan holmes
Yeah, exactly.
dan friesen
So like Alex Jones, we would not be able to do this without you.
You are so important to the team.
jordan holmes
One of the most phenomenal American revolutions that's ever happened.
dan friesen
I'm so thrilled.
jordan holmes
Even though it's happened so many different times, even though it's the exact same shit that's happened plenty of times before.
dan friesen
And he implies that there's a situation where him and some other people nominate people to become president.
I don't know what that is.
He doesn't unpack that.
jordan holmes
Globalists.
dan friesen
Or Russia.
Listen to this one.
jordan holmes
Or the idea that Trump has been monitoring anything.
dan friesen
I think he watches the news.
I think that's fair.
jordan holmes
Trump monitors when people say how great Trump is, and then that's the end.
dan friesen
No, I disagree.
I think the argument that he watches the news is probably accurate.
jordan holmes
So long as it's Fox and Friends.
dan friesen
Exactly.
That's all he's saying.
He's been monitoring Fox and Friends.
jordan holmes
He's been watching the news.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So I said that maybe the group that he's talking about is Russia because of this next clip.
steve pieczenik
Now let me get to where the real problem is.
Not only will we turn around and get rid of these people, but Russia, in effect, watched what we were doing.
And Putin went from a tactical genius to a chessboard genius.
And he understood that our military could not affect a successful combat mission.
And he saw that repeatedly in Iraq, Afghanistan, Yemen, and Sudan.
What he did in turn was to inform us, basically the intelligence service, that he was going in, and he told Obama, and he was going to sacrifice Russian men and women, as well as airplanes and advanced technology, to do the dirty work that we couldn't do.
While we were playing around not knowing what to do and having no strategy whatsoever in Syria and Iran, I suggested that the Russians come to their dirty work, pay the price that they had, in return for which they would come back into the fold and be part of an alliance that would be quite strong.
And that's exactly what they're doing.
I don't condone what Bashar Assad did, but I do know that he was there to protect the Christians.
And one of the issues that came up in your show, and I said it repeatedly, Christians were being slaughtered all over the Middle East.
jordan holmes
Thank you, Pieczenik.
steve pieczenik
The CI created al-Qaeda, ISIS, and all the other groups that were funded by Saudi Arabia, Qatar, and Dubai.
Now what's happening is we strategically involve Iran that has no qualms with the Christians, the Russians who represent Christianity, and in fact, are cutting are fighting back on all the elements that are involved in Syria.
alex jones
Donna Pieczenik stay there, riveting stuff.
And again, you've been a member of the Council on Foreign Relations.
You talk to all these people.
Pachenek really has been doing the things he says he's doing here on air.
It's pretty amazing.
dan friesen
It's pretty amazing.
jordan holmes
Kind of.
I have a.
Okay.
dan friesen
Would you, before you ask this question, would you classify those statements as wildly pro-Putin?
Because I would.
unidentified
I would absolutely classify them as wildly pro-Putin.
dan friesen
I would argue that they're as pro-Putin as Alex Jones already is.
jordan holmes
Which takes me to my next question.
Yes.
Do these people believe it's a good thing that Putin has far larger control over world affairs?
Or are they acting in some sort of naked self-interest?
I suppose the larger question is: do they think that they are the good guys, or are they psychopaths who are just trying to gain the highest advantage for them personally?
dan friesen
I imagine it's on a case-by-case basis, but I think that probably they think they're doing the right thing.
I think that there's probably a moral conviction on some level.
I don't think Trump has that, but I think Steve Pieczenik believes I don't know if he believes in the globalists, but Alex certainly does.
I think that that is, whether or not it started as a real narrative, it's definitely deeply entrenched in him.
And if he believes that the globalists do exist and Russia is the last line of defense against them, I think he does think that siding with them is the right thing to do.
He's wrong, but I think he doesn't think that I don't.
I think he has it in his head that Putin is just going to free people and then go back about his merry business being lied about in the media or whatever.
Running Russia like a great, free Christian defending country.
jordan holmes
Which is even more insane.
Like, one of the larger.
dan friesen
If you only listen to Russian propaganda, you don't think that Russia is a place that has free speech problems.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Because that's not going to be reported on RT or whatever it is you'd like.
Any of these outlets.
jordan holmes
Ultimately, what we are getting into, especially now, is how far you can go with owning Christianity.
Like, that's kind of.
What does that mean?
What does owning mean?
I mean, the.
So Trump's largest voting bloc that still supports him, despite all, all, all of the shit he's done, is right-wing Christian conservatives.
dan friesen
That's because of the intersection with white identity.
jordan holmes
In Russia, the narrative always gets back to the Christians are the ones who we should.
dan friesen
Well, at least with Alex.
jordan holmes
Like, all of this stuff in the UK, in so many different places, it is who owns Christianity.
And it is almost always turned into a tool of oppressing the very people that Christ was a big fan of.
dan friesen
It's a problem.
jordan holmes
So it's like all of this propaganda winds up utilizing the same tools that the Christians have used to fuck over everybody for thousands of years.
dan friesen
Yeah, I don't disagree.
jordan holmes
So whenever you get into somebody like Steve Pieczenik, who has no religion, regardless of whether or not he claims religion, He has no sense of any morality.
dan friesen
It doesn't seem like it.
jordan holmes
You can't.
You can't possibly have a sense of morality if you are deliberately misleading a lunatic like Alex Jones to incite his white nationalist supporters to vote for a white nationalist.
dan friesen
Who is beholden to a white nationalist?
jordan holmes
A white nationalist.
Yeah, exactly.
dan friesen
That has ambitions of creating those uprisings all around the world.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
dan friesen
And finances them.
jordan holmes
So the idea of having any sense of morality is beyond reasonable.
dan friesen
Yeah, I mean, I agree.
jordan holmes
I'm sure he can believe that he has a sense of morality.
I agree.
But in any objective sense, he is immoral.
I agree.
dan friesen
I agree with my position, and I also agree with yours.
I don't know.
All right.
I can't say.
I agree that it seems like if you are a rational enough person, you can't possibly do the things that Steve Pieczenik is doing or Alex Jones is doing without the only bastion you have is, ah, fuck, I'm an idiot.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
I didn't know.
jordan holmes
Yeah, exactly.
dan friesen
Or something like that.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
But I don't know.
jordan holmes
Or you lied to yourself or you grew.
Like, growing up in a cult, which this is.
Yeah, exactly.
There is that kind of reinforcing belief wherein the immoral turns to morality.
dan friesen
Because you're doing it for the cult.
jordan holmes
And then you will sacrifice every sense of morality that you have so long as the cult is doing it.
Because whatever the cult is doing is moral.
dan friesen
Doesn't that go into like crusades and stuff too?
jordan holmes
Oh, yeah.
It goes all the way.
dan friesen
There were horribly immoral acts done in the name of Christianity or Islam on either side.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
But, like, yeah, totally.
It's a problem of religion, for sure.
jordan holmes
Yeah, absolutely.
dan friesen
So, I'm less interested in that.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
I'm more interested in the fact that.
jordan holmes
Well, I grew up in a cult, so of course I'm interested in it, Dan.
dan friesen
Look, I don't want to discount your experience.
But I'm fascinated by the idea that Steve Pieczenik shows up, takes credit for the idea of Trump running for president, admits that he's involved in psychological warfare, comes in with an insanely pro-Putin position.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
That Putin is smart enough to figure out what's going on, and he slipped in.
I believe that this is formative in terms of the idea of the secret treaties and stuff like that with Assad and all this.
I think that's probably coming from Pachenek.
jordan holmes
I don't support what Assad did, but I do know he was doing the best thing for everybody involved.
dan friesen
The Christians.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
He's defending Christians.
jordan holmes
Oh, the Christians.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Assad defending the.
Assad's defending the.
If there's one thing I know about Assad, it's his unwavering support for Christendom.
dan friesen
Yeah, he loves it.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
So in this next clip, you might think that that's, you know, we've already got milked this teeth and there's not going to be anything else coming out of it.
steve pieczenik
Nope.
dan friesen
Steve Pieczenik in this clip discusses other political presidential candidates.
steve pieczenik
Well, Hillary's in a very serious problem, and once again, I want to thank your audience and you.
What we did was, in fact, to do a psyops on Hillary.
jordan holmes
I would like to say that.
steve pieczenik
Which was in effect to create Bernie Sanders to bring him out to co-opt her extreme left and then to bring Biden in to co-opt your middle and then to break up and fractionate her system.
jordan holmes
Wait, what?
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Wait.
Wait.
Co-opting Hillary is co-opting the extreme left.
dan friesen
Well, yeah, we're going to get a bunch of people.
jordan holmes
And Biden is the middle?
dan friesen
Yeah.
He's performed a psyop.
I don't know how he did it, but I guess he got Bernie to run.
I guess.
unidentified
Wow.
dan friesen
So then Bernie takes the extreme left, and Biden, who didn't run, if you don't recall, he never entered the race.
Nope.
That was a psyop too, in order to get the middle away from Hillary Clinton, leaving her with only a sliver of the pie with which she won the popular vote.
jordan holmes
Right.
Yeah, I'm at the point now where I genuinely believe the election was not legitimate at all.
No, of course not.
It was stolen by Russia.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Like, we're past the point of skepticism.
That's literally what happened.
Russia stole the election for Donald Trump.
dan friesen
And there's more and more evidence coming out of actual vote flipping.
jordan holmes
Yeah, no.
Not necessarily even vote flipping, but removing people from the voter rolls before they were ever allowed to vote.
dan friesen
All that stuff that seemed like.
jordan holmes
And even with that, Hillary still won the popular vote.
They're just smart enough to pick the right states, I guess.
dan friesen
Choose your spots.
That's where Putin went from a genius strategy guy to a genius.
jordan holmes
To a chessboard guy.
Yeah.
A genius tactic.
Like, the tactics versus the...
Anyways.
unidentified
The...
jordan holmes
The...
Yeah, it is very much a kung fu kind of thing where you hit the spots that will take down the monster.
dan friesen
Yeah.
In this next clip, Steve Pieczenik basically takes credit for everyone running for president.
jordan holmes
Oh, well, that makes sense.
dan friesen
He tricked everyone into running.
jordan holmes
I guarantee that's true.
alex jones
Clearly, I kept saying, how delusional are they to have Clinton and Bush dynasties run again, knowing nobody wants them?
Are you saying good people and intelligence agencies and their own campaign people suckered them and this has all been a trap?
Because that's what it looks like to me.
steve pieczenik
There are people like myself and others who've been in psyops operations and we suckered them because this has been a 14-year operation.
It's not something that just came overnight.
And Jeb was so stupid that he literally reiterated what his brother said and Runsfeld quoted about Pearl Harbor.
So they were suckered.
They've been suckered in for a long time because people like myself and others have monitored them for a long period.
They've been warned repeatedly through blogs.
And despite all of that, they went in because they are delusional.
And in the business of manipulation, of self-delusional, grandiose, paranoid people, it's not hard to manipulate them.
The one who was not manipulated was Putin.
And he understood very quickly how to move in in a country that had no leadership, no direction on the foreign policy side, not on the domestic side.
On the domestic side, we were extremely effective with lowering the ruble of the ability to make Russia a weaker economy and to be able to monitor that.
dan friesen
So there's a lot in that clip.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
I'm really glad you caught that.
We warned them through blogs.
jordan holmes
We warned them through blogs.
dan friesen
Which is fascinating.
jordan holmes
We warned him through blogs.
dan friesen
I don't know what that means.
jordan holmes
Where else would you get warned?
dan friesen
I don't know what that means.
jordan holmes
I've been closely monitoring blogs, so I know what I'm talking about.
dan friesen
Right.
I guess Steve Pieczenik probably has a blog where he posted something and it's like, hey, don't fuck around or something like that.
I warned him.
jordan holmes
I mean, I don't think he's wrong in that these paranoid lunatics who are running for office are easily manipulated.
dan friesen
But take that logic to the next step.
And who else is a paranoid lunatic?
jordan holmes
You, Dan.
I have been performing a psyop on you this entire time.
I'm actually working for Alex Jones.
dan friesen
Fine.
jordan holmes
Within the end of this investigation, you will be an Alex Jones supporter.
dan friesen
I don't think that'll be.
jordan holmes
I will warn you through blogs, Dan.
dan friesen
I am liking him less and less as this goes along.
I can't imagine the prestige is me being on.
jordan holmes
He's great.
The idea that he will ever go up in our estimation is beyond reasonable.
dan friesen
Well, I mean, he has his good points.
There's those three or four policy positions he has that are reasonable.
jordan holmes
But from where we are now, we're already at those.
How does he go up from here?
dan friesen
I don't know.
I mean, you almost got on board with him to take out Donald Sutherland.
jordan holmes
Didn't say on board with it.
Look, all right.
I didn't like his choice to be in the Hunger Games movies.
I didn't think they were very good, and I don't think Donner Sutherland should support that.
dan friesen
Spoiler alert, guys.
The Hunger Games are going to come up at our live show September 9th.
Spoiler alert at North Bar.
jordan holmes
Spoiler alert.
In two years, the Hunger Games will be real.
dan friesen
All of these spoilers are fantastic.
So Steve Pachenick has some thoughts about Barack Obama that are kind of interesting.
He doesn't have a great position.
He doesn't think highly of him.
jordan holmes
Do a what?
dan friesen
But also, he has an interesting fake backstory for Barack Obama that is interesting.
It's not your run-of-the-mill birth certificate shit either.
jordan holmes
Oh, no, we're getting into weird territory.
steve pieczenik
The system, particularly the CIA at the time, read him, forstered him.
People like Geithner, Peter Geithner, who and Timothy said he didn't know.
They lied.
The whole system lied.
The Pritzkers lied, who were the former allies of Al Capone.
I mean, the whole Chicago mob lied.
Ari Emmanuel, Emmanuel, the whole family lied.
So you have a product here that comes out of Chicago out of a collusive element that doesn't have to be paranoid, but he himself is not qualified to be any type of leader.
He never had it.
He was never capable of it.
But they thought having a black young man who had a Muslim name would somehow change the perception of America.
It was a serious mistake.
He learned all the technology that we knew from DARPA, Defense Advanced Research Projects.
He came into power and didn't really know how to wield it.
He then started false flags with Newtown, which was an obvious false flag.
And then we had Oregon, which is a repetition of Newtown.
I mean, how many Asperger's mothers and kids can be shooting all those people?
Even my special forces can't recruit Asperger's.
So this is really ridiculous.
What you have here is a man who's totally alienated from what's going on.
I don't want to give him a mental health label because I don't think he deserves it.
He has to have an accountability as a man who was not qualified to do what he did, was not qualified to be president, and in fact, indicts the Democratic Party so seriously that they were stupid enough.
And I know the people involved, some of the liberals and famous congressmen, thought this was a great idea, and I think it was a stupid idea because he would eventually fail and he would destroy our country.
Now, thanks to you and many others, we have been able to turn this tide around and see what will happen.
If Trump comes in and Ben Carson comes in, now I will be very serious to your audience.
I have warned both candidates that they are targets for assassination.
And the reason that is the case is that they both are able to manipulate emotions very effectively.
dan friesen
I would not say that Ben Carson is able to manipulate emotions.
jordan holmes
Imagine if the left had a Sirhan Sirhan.
Imagine if the good guys weren't the ones who got assassinated.
It was the bad guys instead.
dan friesen
I don't want to go down this line.
jordan holmes
I do.
No, this thing is.
dan friesen
Isn't that wild?
That clip?
Isn't that wild?
jordan holmes
I mean, I don't want to re-litigate.
Like, we can re-litigate Obama's presidency a million times over.
dan friesen
We're critical.
jordan holmes
But if there's one thing that he was, it was a good leader.
dan friesen
I would say so.
jordan holmes
Like, that's like his decision-making.
dan friesen
He was too black for some.
jordan holmes
He was too black for just about everybody.
dan friesen
But he was a good leader.
jordan holmes
Like, there's so much.
And again, you can blame the triangulation that Clinton set up as a precedent.
You can blame all of those things, like not full, like not being full-throated progressive.
Like, you could blame that for why we lost so many governorships and st state legislatures.
Sure.
You can blame so much of that.
But as far as leading a country goes, I'll be goddamned if the rest of the world didn't at least look at Obama and say, well, this guy's fucking great.
dan friesen
Uh-huh.
jordan holmes
I mean, except for Russia, of course.
unidentified
Right.
jordan holmes
Who would guess that Russia wouldn't be big fans of him?
dan friesen
Yeah, because they keep invading folks and annexing land, and Obama put reasonable sanctions on them.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
In the same way that Hillary would have continued.
unidentified
Yep.
jordan holmes
Or, well, Hillary might have gone.
Yeah, Hillary would have gone.
Hillary hated Putin.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Or at least Putin hated Hillary.
dan friesen
Right.
I imagine it might have been a two-way street.
Who knows?
But at the same time, we absolutely can't relitigate hypothetical presence.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
You know, like what could be happening now.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
dan friesen
I think that this is fascinating because, I mean, Steve Pieczenik has this backstory.
jordan holmes
I mean, if you were going to go, like, a lot of people blame Obama for losing all of the state legislatures.
If you were going to blame anybody, I would blame the Democratic Party.
dan friesen
Yeah, the infrastructure.
jordan holmes
Because apparently, we can't even get Nazis right.
Like, somehow the center of the Democratic Party is still like, Antifa's bad.
Like, they still haven't even gotten that the Nazis are murdering people and that maybe a large majority of the country is against Nazis.
They're on the blaming Antifa front.
Like, these people are so fucking stupid.
If you blame Obama for this shit, you're insane.
You're fucking insane.
dan friesen
Well, I think what is happening more is that history is repeating itself, but we have a slightly fictionalized version of history, so we don't realize that it's repeating.
Yeah, that's true.
I'm not rewriting history the same way Alex Jones loves to, but a lot of people have it in their head that during the civil rights movement, everybody was on board with it and everyone was fighting.
jordan holmes
Which is bananas.
dan friesen
Because everyone doesn't want to cop to the fact that it's a very good chance that your grandpa was not on board with it.
jordan holmes
My dad wasn't on board with it.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
But everyone wants to think nowadays that it's so obvious.
jordan holmes
It was obvious that Martin Luther King Jr. was great.
A majority of people obviously supported Martin Luther King Jr.
dan friesen
And the reality is, no, the reality is the public perception was that they're agitators and terrorists that are trying to get black rights through.
jordan holmes
I totally bet the FBI didn't try and force Martin Luther King Jr. to kill himself.
Right.
I bet that wasn't true at all.
dan friesen
But you understand what I'm saying is the reality is history is repeating itself.
We have fascistic right-wing people rising that have been online organizing for years and what have you.
But they're coming into the public and there are people who are trying to fight back against it.
And of course, the widespread perception, whether it's Republicans or Democrats, is that they're a problem too.
And 20 years from now, God willing, we will beat back this fascism.
Right.
I said God willing.
And 20 years from now, everyone will pretend that they were on.
Antifa seems like a very broad term to use.
jordan holmes
I am 100% on board with Antifa.
Fuck anybody's criticisms.
At this point, Antifa is right 100% of the time.
dan friesen
That's not what I'm disputing.
I'm saying there's a lot of other groups, too.
There's a lot of folks who are on the side of fighting back against this trend that we're seeing.
jordan holmes
Every single one of them.
dan friesen
20 years from now, everyone will pretend that almost everybody was on that side.
And we will again forget almost always a very unpopular group doing the right thing that ends up being demonized and then winning.
jordan holmes
I think the bigger difference, though, will be that we've got tape.
Now we got tape.
We got receipts on all of those things.
Like, 20 years from now, 20 years from now, if Trevor Noah has a career, I would be furious.
Five years from now, if he has a career, I'd be furious.
Tomorrow, if he has a career, I'm furious.
dan friesen
He will be comedy's Neville Chamberlain.
jordan holmes
Oh, absolutely.
dan friesen
Yeah, he will be.
jordan holmes
Well, no, no, no, no.
That would be what's his fuck on the tonight show?
dan friesen
Conan?
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
He went over to Bibi Netanyahu.
jordan holmes
No, no, no.
Well, yeah, that's true.
No, what's his fucking thing?
No, the new one.
dan friesen
I don't know.
jordan holmes
The fucker.
dan friesen
Oh, Fallon.
unidentified
Fallon.
dan friesen
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
Fallon is the Neville Chamberlain of our times.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So let's not relitigate all that.
And let's try and say relitigate as much as Steve Pieczenik flatters Alex.
jordan holmes
Right, right.
dan friesen
Do you notice that, though?
Every single clip, of course.
I thank you and your audience.
It's formulaic, but it's hypnotic.
Alex is not going to pick up on the fact that Steve is using those terms and using that strategy intentionally to get under his ego.
No, of course.
He's trying to keep Alex Jones' guard down.
Alex will interpret that as this guy fucking thinks I'm awesome.
jordan holmes
Well, not just that.
dan friesen
And if he thinks I'm awesome, then Putin must be really smart.
All these things I've already sort of been flirting with, I must be on the right track with this.
jordan holmes
Well, and that's the other brilliant thing that he's doing: he's mixing and matching them.
So he'll have in one sentence something that Alex hates, and in the same sentence, something that he hates.
Conflating the two together.
dan friesen
We must be in alignment.
jordan holmes
Of course, if you hate this thing and I hate this thing, they're in the same sentence.
dan friesen
If you hate Obama and Sandy Hook was fake.
jordan holmes
Yeah, exactly.
Exactly.
dan friesen
Even though Alex already believes Sandy Hook was fine.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right.
But it is one of those things where it.
dan friesen
That might be more for the audience.
Yeah, well, that's true.
There's less need to get Alex Jones on board with that sort of bullshit.
But Steve Pieczenik has one more clip before we get out of here and move on to the next day, get out of October 20th.
And, I mean, this is just a summation of sort of where he's at.
alex jones
But what was Obama talking about when he told Putin I'll be able to resvign, I believe, not even Putin, I'll be able to do more once I'm re-elected.
That was back prior to 2008 or excuse me, the last election, 2012.
What do you think that was really about, Dr. Pachenek?
jordan holmes
Well, Hurricane Kitty.
steve pieczenik
I understand this.
Russia has never really been our enemy.
Although I've been involved in the regime change in the Soviet Union, I made it very clear to all of our officials that we didn't do anything to take down Russia.
Russia has been a formidable ally of ours.
It has always worked with us.
And in fact, it has a much more serious problem of Islamic terrorism because of Central Asia.
jordan holmes
That can't be true.
dan friesen
Nope.
jordan holmes
That's the least true thing that's ever been said.
dan friesen
It's quite not true.
jordan holmes
I mean, yeah, no, that's.
dan friesen
I mean, we have teamed up from time to time.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
That's definitely true.
jordan holmes
You know how the United States' official position has been that Russia is our ally the entire time?
alex jones
Totally.
jordan holmes
You know how that's true.
dan friesen
Totally.
jordan holmes
You know how Eisenhower was like immediately after the end of World War II.
You know what we should do?
We should align with Russia.
That's exactly what we're doing.
dan friesen
Probably the best we've ever gotten with them is trust but verify.
That's sort of been like the best position we've ever had.
jordan holmes
I don't think so.
dan friesen
I mean, the most close to friendship.
jordan holmes
That's even then giving the relationship a lot of credit.
dan friesen
Fine.
I don't care.
My bigger thing is that that's what Steve believes.
jordan holmes
Our closest relationship with Russia has been like, fuck you.
All right, fuck you too.
dan friesen
All right.
jordan holmes
But we're all right.
unidentified
Okay, we fuck each other, everybody.
dan friesen
A lot of finger guns.
So I think if we want to put a button on October 20th, we have the first appearance in our investigation of Steve Pieczenik.
He comes in with a robust narrative of Putin is a good guy.
He's a very good guy.
jordan holmes
He's a good guy.
dan friesen
He's probably the only good guy on the world stage.
jordan holmes
The only one fighting the globalists for sure.
dan friesen
And as an extension of that, I and some other unnamed people have gotten together and got Donald Trump to run.
Also conflating those two ideas that Donald Trump is some sort of a savior.
And I mean, Steve says as much.
It's incredibly fucked up.
It's bafflingly fucked up.
And it follows the trend that we're seeing as this investigation goes on, that the coupling of support of Putin and Russia is inexorably entwined with support of Trump.
Even for Alex Jones, he nowadays, in 2017, pretends that that is not even close to the case.
jordan holmes
He's not an agent of Russia.
dan friesen
But as we look back on this, we see definitive evidence that he loves Russia and supports Putin even before he supported Trump.
And it's infuriating.
jordan holmes
That's like the thing that you said earlier about Hess and the Nuremberg trials.
That's where I do start to see the difference between inciting war and knowingly committing atrocities or a genocide.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Is with these guys.
Like with Pieczenik, what is the difference between him effectively supporting Putin and then Trump and him opportunistically supporting Trump and then Putin?
Well, do you see what I'm saying there?
dan friesen
Somewhat.
jordan holmes
Like, how conscious are so many of these people of their complete and utter traitorous behavior towards the United States?
dan friesen
Well, no, because in the same way that the sovereign citizens pledge allegiance to the Constitution or whatever, but not to the federal government and all that, there is a, and it goes to Alex's understanding of Christianity.
Right.
I'm aligned with Christianity, just not your glitterbug churches.
I'm aligned with America, just not the federal government.
It's this weird game that they're playing.
It's like, I'm not a traitor.
I support America, but America has been taken over by globalists.
So in order for me to actually be supporting America, I have to support the enemies of America who will take out the globalists.
And that's cockamaming.
That's nonsense.
That is the path to treason.
jordan holmes
Just like Joel Austin, I'm a Christian, but I'm not going to help anybody.
dan friesen
Until they say I have to.
jordan holmes
Well, even then, he's asking for donations from those people that he's helping.
That was great.
dan friesen
That's classic.
That's church, baby.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I know.
Isn't that such like religion is a lie?
It doesn't get any more obvious than go fuck yourself religion.
dan friesen
Well, I'm so thrilled that these Jim Baker clips keep flying around online.
I don't know if you've seen any of these.
We'll watch one after the show.
But Jim Baker, you know, he was an old-time televangelist and went to prison for fraud and shit.
He's back and what have you.
jordan holmes
How is he back?
dan friesen
Well, he's been back for a while selling survival food and he has his own church.
It's another scam, just like Alex.
unidentified
Of course.
dan friesen
But people have been really clowning on him pretty hard on the internet lately because he has everyone just go watch those videos.
But he has live bands that sing about his survival food.
jordan holmes
That's so great.
dan friesen
It's next level.
Like anyone watching this taking it seriously, I don't understand.
It's just such an obvious fraud.
jordan holmes
It's just like the spiritualist movements in the early 1900s with like Marjo and those fuckers who would just go around and have these rallies of 20,000 people, which, again, we don't talk about at all.
dan friesen
No.
jordan holmes
Especially not Christians, where it would just be lies and scams the whole time.
dan friesen
It's like almost every tent revival that's ever happened.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's true.
Anyways, watch Gravity Falls.
There's great stuff there.
dan friesen
So we move on to the 21st and the 22nd, which there won't be too much.
The meat of this episode is really the idea that Steve Pieczenik has shown up.
Yeah.
But on the 21st, the day after Steve Pieczenik, a psych warfare expert, comes onto Alex Jones' show and tells him that Putin is great and has some very pro-Russia positions, Alex Jones mentions someone that he will defend quite a bit in the coming months and year for the first time ever.
alex jones
France prosecutes political leaders for criticizing Muslims.
Marine Le Pen faces you're in prison and more.
jordan holmes
Fuck me.
dan friesen
So he calls her Marine Le Pen, which indicates that he doesn't actually know who she is.
unidentified
Never heard of her.
dan friesen
He is just repeating stuff and being told this is a narrative you've got to get on board with.
jordan holmes
Got some orders.
dan friesen
The reason that she was in trouble was because she's a fascist.
Well, no, that was later.
the reason she was in trouble this time and was going to court was she was saying that Muslims were occupying parts of France.
And the reason that that is...
jordan holmes
And Texas.
unidentified
Well...
dan friesen
Well, she didn't bring that up.
But the reason that that's trouble is that they take occupation very seriously in France.
jordan holmes
I can't think of any reason why.
dan friesen
Because of the occupation there.
jordan holmes
Why?
unidentified
Nazis.
jordan holmes
Dan, why?
Why would they take occupation seriously in France?
dan friesen
Well, because that whole Vichy thing.
jordan holmes
I can't understand.
Dan, why would they take it?
dan friesen
So her argument in court was she was talking uncapitalized occupation, whereas the occupation that happened was capital O occupation.
jordan holmes
And as we all know, France is under Admiralty law.
dan friesen
Absolutely.
jordan holmes
So if you capitalize something, it's a big deal.
dan friesen
It's like with Irish people talking about the troubles.
That's a capital T. That's a capital T. Which is my favorite euphemism for.
jordan holmes
Oh, yeah.
You guys remember the troubles?
dan friesen
I do like that phraseology.
I enjoy it quite a bit.
jordan holmes
Just like if Israel called it the bummer.
Come on, guys.
Oh, no.
The whoops.
dan friesen
So the other thing is that because of history being what it is, we now know that Maureen Le Pen didn't really get in trouble for that.
But she should have been censured, and it should have been a big deal because you can't make light of that sort of thing, that part of your history, in the same way that you couldn't in Germany call something a Holocaust or something like that.
I don't know.
You couldn't do that without getting in some sort of like, hey, hold on.
You're trying to conflate things in a very unfair way.
She was trying to get the soft association in people's minds that these Muslims were Nazis.
jordan holmes
Of course.
dan friesen
That's what she was doing, and it was 100% the right thing to do to give her the old, hey, cut it out.
But Alex Jones starts defending her on the next episode after Steve Pieczenik comes in.
And as we all know, Putin was very strongly behind Le Pen.
jordan holmes
I can't think of any reason why.
dan friesen
He was funding her and was bolstering for her.
jordan holmes
That's so crazy.
dan friesen
It's very wild.
jordan holmes
It is hard to argue with Pachenek when he says that Putin is a tactical genius.
dan friesen
Seems great.
jordan holmes
He's really good at it.
Either that or it's just everybody is so dumb that the least dumb person seems like a genius.
Do you know what I'm saying?
dan friesen
Well, I think also when you're cornered a little bit, it's easier to make brilliant strategic moves.
You have less to lose.
jordan holmes
Right.
Yeah, I mean, Russia is in the toilet.
dan friesen
And when you have a long history of very competent secret police and shit like that, you've had years to develop tactics.
jordan holmes
And when you are one of those very competent secret police.
dan friesen
And when the secret police in those countries come from a tradition of not having to worry about things being ethical or legal, I think that you're able to best people in strategy because there's things that we can't do.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Putin has nothing to lose, seeing as how he's a secret, what, hundred billionaire.
Like, the idea that we have a Forbes list of richest men and Putin isn't number one on that list is pretty insane to me.
dan friesen
Well, the thing is.
Like, in terms of even think about it another step removed from that logic, there are probably other people who have as much money as him that we don't know about.
jordan holmes
Oh, yeah, that's probably maybe one or two.
Yeah.
dan friesen
But then you take into like we know that the Mercers are billionaires, but they probably have way more money than almost everybody probably has way more money than we publicly know.
jordan holmes
Which is why they should be beheaded.
And the French Revolution.
French Revolution 2.0.
dan friesen
Viva Larisa Listal.
jordan holmes
Yeah, no kidding, right?
dan friesen
So he defends Le Pen.
jordan holmes
1784 all over again.
dan friesen
Alex supports Le Pen, or at least is saying that she's being unfairly tried, which is nonsense if you actually understand what the situation is.
jordan holmes
Of course.
dan friesen
But it's really interesting that he hold on.
He says this in support of Le Pen, and that it's crazy, and then does this.
He immediately, I've just paused the clip.
I haven't, there's no edits or anything.
He then launches into this.
I think he's trying to castigate political correctness.
But on the other end of this clip, I want to explain why that's stupid.
alex jones
So welcome to the next level of oppression.
And that ties into something we know has been going on here in the United States for a long time.
If you don't hear the race of a suspect in a murder or a hit and run or a carjacking, if you hear white male, then you know it was a white male.
But if you don't hear what the suspect looks like, they just say a man robbed a woman at this park.
He was driving a blue Ford Chevy or whatever he was driving.
jordan holmes
So probably a white guy.
alex jones
Then you know it was a quote minority.
And this is an unspoken rule of political correctness.
Again, we're setting a precedent on information management.
And once you get the media and the police lying in concert on one subject, then they can segue into every other very quickly.
dan friesen
I think that there's a lot of problems.
jordan holmes
Similar to what he does.
dan friesen
But there's a lot of problems even with just that statement.
Because the idea that when you don't hear someone's race in a crime report, you assume it's a minority is a function of racism.
That's a function of deeply ingrained racism.
jordan holmes
I can't see how, Dan.
dan friesen
And it has to be specifically called out that it's a white person for you to ever think that it's white.
jordan holmes
Most people won't say radical Islamic terrorism.
alex jones
Right.
dan friesen
So then the other thing, we had this Hurricane Harvey that happened.
jordan holmes
Most people definitely won't say radical Nazi terrorism.
dan friesen
Nope.
But you have this every time that there's a hurricane, that when there's looting, it's black people.
And when it's scavenging or something like that, you found food or something like that.
That's a white person.
jordan holmes
And when it's fucking every single person over, it's capitalism.
dan friesen
Right.
But Alex's semantic games that he's playing don't even work the way he's pretending they do.
This idea that there's political correctness that is attacking white people.
jordan holmes
Oh, it's run amok.
That's run-a-muck.
That's stupid.
dan friesen
There's hundreds of examples all over the place that he's totally wrong.
jordan holmes
Run amok.
dan friesen
Systemic thing where a black person doing the same thing as a white person is somehow criminal is ubiquitous.
It's all over the place.
Alex believes the same thing.
Like if a white person came up to him and was like, I need money, can you help me out?
That's panhandling.
If a black person does it, it's a mugging.
It's the exact same thing.
He does this all the time and then blames PC culture for something that doesn't happen.
jordan holmes
It's so weird.
dan friesen
And that is how he wants to talk about Le Pen's lawsuit.
That's stupid.
jordan holmes
It infuriates me.
I want to have something to interject, but you're right on all counts.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
So we get to this next clip.
And Alex, we're getting back to Hitler for a minute.
jordan holmes
How can we get back to Hitler?
Why do we always have to go back to how Hitler wasn't that bad about it?
dan friesen
We have two clips about Hitler that are weird.
They're very weird.
And this first one, I love the news I'm going to provide for you on the other one.
jordan holmes
I suppose the only thing I have to say about your previous rant is that it is not weird.
It is America, Dan.
That is normal for us.
No, but I don't know if it's not weird for these idiots to use race.
It is the most normal thing.
What it is, is wrong.
dan friesen
That's not the weird part.
jordan holmes
What's the weird part?
dan friesen
The weird part is the strategy of rhetoric that he's using.
Because it's so wrong factually, and it's so see-through.
Like, it doesn't, it doesn't.
I mean, again, that should not be surprising.
jordan holmes
But that's not weird because that's effective.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Seeing through this kind of shit is something that the right wing is simply incapable of.
dan friesen
Kind of.
jordan holmes
They're just not able to do it.
dan friesen
Because of the white fears and Christians are under attack narrative.
jordan holmes
Yeah, absolutely.
So they will give up anything, any belief they have, so long as white people are fine.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Even though white people are already fine.
dan friesen
And have been.
They'll even go so far as to defend Hitler.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Which listen to this clip.
jordan holmes
Oh, God.
alex jones
France basically invited Hitler in as well.
That is, most of the government stood down and then a week later was put back in power by the Nazis.
So it's true that the grand leader of the Islamic movement in the Middle East, really, at that time, was a Nazi, went to Germany, was buddies with Hitler, encouraged Hitler to kill all the Jews.
And so Merkel came out and said, no, Muslims have no part in killing Jews.
It's all Germans' fault.
I guess modern Germans, it's their fault too.
So it's all part of this guilt complex.
Germany on Wednesday said that responsibility for the Holocaust lay with the Germans, after Israel's prime minister, Yetan Yahoo, sparked controversy before a visit to Berlin by saying a Muslim elder had convinced Hitler to exterminate the Jews, and then he goes over the fact that that went on.
There's really not any secret that there is a love affair with the Nazis to this day in many areas of the Middle East, but the left doesn't care about teaming up with radical Islam because it is Anti-Western and they're Anti-Western and really want to mount the Renaissance and true liberalism on the wall as a safari trophy.
dan friesen
Bringing up the Renaissance, that's not something he's been doing too much so far in this investigation.
jordan holmes
We get our 2.0.
dan friesen
I don't know it's not, but it's just he doesn't hasn't brought it up too much at this point.
So these narratives are largely he's taking this from things Netanyahu said yeah, here's the quote from Netanyahu.
Hitler didn't want to exterminate the Jews.
At the time of the meeting between the Mufti and the Nazi leader, he wanted to expel the Jews, Netanyahu said in his speech.
And Haj Amin Al-Husseini went to Hitler and said, if you expel them, they'll all come to Palestine, continued the prime minister.
So what should I do with them.
Hitler asked.
According to Netanyahu quote, he Husseini said burned them.
So that is a narrative that comes out of a guy who's running a departed Where they want to kill all, or at least expel all Palestinians.
jordan holmes
Israel was such a good idea until, man, it happened.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So, interesting bit.
Hold on, hold on.
Interesting follow-up on this.
Yeah.
In a lengthy Facebook post on Friday, Netanyahu said he wished to clarify his remarks about the connection between Mufti Haj Amin al-Husseini and the Nazis.
He said that he, quote, did not mean to claim that in his conversation with Hitler in November 1941, the Mufti convinced him to adopt the final solution.
The Nazis decided that by themselves.
jordan holmes
So even though he said that it was that he was like, Facebook, let me make sure a far lesser number of people will see this.
dan friesen
Yes.
The prime minister wrote that, quote, the decision to move from a policy of deporting Jews to the final solution was made by the Nazis, and it was not dependent on outside influence.
Hmm.
So, Alex.
jordan holmes
Do you feel like a guilt complex over committing a genocide is a better thing than not having a guilt complex over?
I mean, if you've got to choose one, like, look, it's almost admirable that the German people care because America does not care about the many genocides we've committed.
Some people do.
We have a genocider on our $20 bill.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
Like, it seems like it would be nice if we had more guilt over that.
It would be nice if our genocides were recognized instead of celebrated.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
That's my position.
I know that's controversial.
dan friesen
I think your position is reasonable, but I just love the idea that Alex Jones comes up with a thing and is immediately shot down by the person who said that thing.
He's clearly citing without saying, hey, Netanyahu said this.
So that's great.
jordan holmes
Well, it was actually Clarence Thomas.
dan friesen
It was actually Clarence Carter.
jordan holmes
It could have been.
dan friesen
So in this next clip, Alex Jones.
jordan holmes
It was actually Chris Carter.
dan friesen
It was actually Aaron Carter, the party starter.
No, that's Darren Carter, the party starter.
jordan holmes
It was actually Carter Page.
dan friesen
Also known as the rooster.
In this next clip, Alex Jones makes another bogus, wild claim about Hitler.
alex jones
Hitler, of course, was going to work to, when he took over Russia, to make an area of southern Russia the new Israel.
That makes sense.
And Hitler was also looking for Jews to Palestine, which he saw as their homeland.
That's why he met with the grand Mufti who said, no, we don't want them here.
Can you just kill them?
And the last few years of World War II, Hitler did actually, because I've read the Political Surprise-Winning books on the subject.
I mean, these are quotes by Hitler.
dan friesen
Doubt it.
alex jones
To go ahead with the final solution.
They didn't decide to go with the final solution until Hitler started losing at the beginning of the Battle of Leningrad.
And then Stalingrad.
And there was a tank battle south of that city about six months before.
The Germans started to really think they were going to lose, started building towards that.
So then it shifted, don't shake the Jews down and get their money through the Jewish handlers that Hitler was working with.
Just go ahead and kill them.
And so they went to a policy of killing everybody.
And of course, they were killing a bunch of other groups.
It is true that it's wrong that Hollywood only focuses on Jews that were killed.
I mean, I think millions of Ukrainians killed by the Nazis, millions of Russians, I think millions of Poles killed.
I think they're just as valuable as Jewish people that were killed.
But on the other side of that equation, there's people that defend Hitler.
I mean, Hitler was a complete out-of-control lunatic.
I mean, just look at him, listen to him.
I mean, look what he did to Germany.
dan friesen
Good save.
I don't like that it ends with a fake laugh.
jordan holmes
Fake laugh.
dan friesen
But, I mean, just in terms of, and we've already talked about, you know, the debunking from Netanyahu of that argument, also the...
jordan holmes
Netanyahu didn't debunk it.
He walked it back.
dan friesen
He debunked it.
Which is his claim.
unidentified
Okay.
dan friesen
Not debunking his own shit.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
He's got other problems.
So, also, the siege of Leningrad took place on 8th of September, 1941.
That's when it began, the Leningrad.
Auschwitz was open from 1940.
So.
jordan holmes
Oh, yeah?
dan friesen
Yeah.
I believe there was probably a whole bunch of stuff going on before the siege of Leningrad.
Just my guess.
unidentified
I wish.
jordan holmes
My guess.
dan friesen
Because Auschwitz wasn't the only camp.
jordan holmes
I just don't understand how Hitler isn't something we can all agree on.
Like, isn't that crazy how white people are so obsessed with making Hitler not as bad?
Like, everybody agrees Hitler was.
dan friesen
I think he's come from a shame complex.
jordan holmes
Everybody agrees Hitler was bad, except for Alex, who only agrees that under duress.
dan friesen
Well, he just agrees that he's crazy.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Like Dylan Roof.
jordan holmes
Yeah, exactly.
Why is it that we can't just all be like, genocide is bad?
Why is it that every time somebody's in the midst of trying to commit a genocide, they're like, hey, here I'm out.
We don't like Hitler, but apartheid is great.
dan friesen
Well, I mean, that's the same reason we have this.
Like, why is anyone against people who oppose fascism?
unidentified
Hmm.
dan friesen
I don't know.
It's the same historical conflation that we.
jordan holmes
I wish people weren't so dumb.
dan friesen
It would be nice.
jordan holmes
Dan.
dan friesen
It would be nice.
jordan holmes
Dan.
dan friesen
So, Jordan.
jordan holmes
Solve this problem.
dan friesen
I can't.
jordan holmes
No, do it.
dan friesen
But I can't.
jordan holmes
You're the one who knows a lot about Alex Jones.
dan friesen
I can play you a fun clip.
unidentified
Okay.
dan friesen
Here's a fun clip.
jordan holmes
That would be nice.
dan friesen
Here's a fun clip.
jordan holmes
I would like a fun clip.
dan friesen
This one is nuts.
jordan holmes
Okay.
unidentified
See, the other thing I wanted to say was: are people aware?
I don't know if this is old or redundant, but that the Bushes have bought 200,000 acres in Paraguay.
It's been a couple of years ago.
Now they have their own port.
They have their own military.
And it's a fact from what I know.
alex jones
No, that's true.
jordan holmes
It's a fact from what I know.
alex jones
And reportedly, Ken Lay staged his death, and he's down there.
Serious news media has seen him down there.
Ken Lay just lives there.
dan friesen
Ken Lay faked his death.
jordan holmes
Ken Lay faked his death?
dan friesen
Serious meetings.
jordan holmes
And lives in Paraguay?
dan friesen
Serious meetings.
jordan holmes
Serious meetings?
Yeah.
Did we get warned by blogs?
What happened there?
dan friesen
It was probably on blogs.
Ken Lay faked his death.
jordan holmes
Faked his death.
dan friesen
In prison.
jordan holmes
Successfully.
Yes.
dan friesen
Somehow was able to get his fake dead body out of prison and get transported to this mythical globalist land in Paraguay.
The Paraguay that the fucking Bushes have set up.
I don't doubt that the Bushes have plots of land various places.
Sure.
I bet most rich people have getaway spots and what have you.
jordan holmes
Because they're monsters.
dan friesen
Yeah, I believe that that's obviously true.
What's not is that Ken Lay faked his death.
jordan holmes
I don't know, Dan.
dan friesen
I do.
jordan holmes
I don't know.
dan friesen
I kind of do.
jordan holmes
Look, Dick Cheney can do anything.
That's all I'm going to say right now.
dan friesen
Look, I believe that it's possible someone killed Ken Lay in prison and they made it a suicide.
jordan holmes
We can only hope.
dan friesen
Yeah, that's possible.
The faking your own death and running away to Paraguay, not so sure.
So on this 21st.
jordan holmes
Look, if you can kill D'Angelo in prison and make it look like a suicide.
dan friesen
Where's Wallace?
jordan holmes
Where's Wallace, man?
dan friesen
So on this episode, the 21st, Alex Jones also has an interview with the one and only, Ronald Paul.
Ron Paul comes on.
They talk about.
jordan holmes
Really?
unidentified
Yep.
jordan holmes
All right.
This promises to be fun at least.
It's not?
dan friesen
It's not great.
jordan holmes
What's the point of Ron Paul if it's not fun?
dan friesen
Well, Ron Paul just, I mean, he just talks about.
Actually, in this next clip where we will find out if Alex Jones supports Trump yet, in this conversation with Ron Paul, Paul actually talks some sense.
unidentified
Okay.
dan friesen
He makes a little bit of sense.
jordan holmes
But that's the danger of Ron Paul is that occasionally.
It's the same danger with most third-party candidates like Ross Perot.
Occasionally, Ross Perot talked real good.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
And you're like, God damn it, I agree with you, Ross Perot.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Even though you're a fucking lunatic.
dan friesen
And that's the danger of Steve Pieczenik, too, because when he talks about hating neocons, you're like, yeah, I hate him too.
All right.
What's next?
And then you're like, Sandy Hook is fake?
jordan holmes
No.
No, damn it.
dan friesen
Fuck.
jordan holmes
Damn it, man.
You had me going.
dan friesen
And that's what Ron Paul is able to achieve.
But here is, we finally get to find out if Alex Jones supports Trump.
jordan holmes
Does he?
alex jones
RonPaul LibertyReport.com.
One final question on the election.
Obviously, I'm supporting Rand Paul because I know he's followed the Constitution.
He won't flip-flop like the other candidates.
Obviously, I like a lot of what Donald Trump has to say.
It's very populist.
It's very constitutional in some cases.
But he said things about loving Hillary in the past and being for assault weapons bands.
So I don't really trust him in the final equation.
But what is your view of Donald Trump overall?
Do you think he's healthy for the campaign, healthy for the debate, or do you think he's unhealthy?
ron paul
Well, if there was an absolute guarantee that the American people wouldn't be sucked in and make him president, you know, it'd be just entertainment.
And we would look at the, like you point out, some good things, some bad things.
You could look at the good things and say, you know, he can do things and get away with, which many of us never could do.
Hey, when you're a celebrity personality, and he makes fun of the political process in the Republican and Democratic Party.
At the same time, he doesn't get pushed around with the media.
But I think trouble is coming, and he would have to live up to his word.
I will take charge.
I will get things done.
I know what's good.
I'm not looking for that.
That to me is exactly the opposite of a libertarian society.
I don't want to tell people what to do.
I don't want to run the economy.
I don't want to tell the world what to do.
I want to deliver the liberty back to the individual, let the individual.
And local people take care of these problems.
But I don't think Donald Trump would respond to that as the conditions break down.
I think he would use not only the bully pulpit.
I think he'd become a very tough bully to take over just the whole situation.
alex jones
He does look ready to get on a big white horse, and that is exactly what this country doesn't need.
But I think people's support for him shows the backlash against teleprompter politics.
And I think that's the real issue there.
He doesn't support Trump.
jordan holmes
Trump is exactly what the country doesn't need.
dan friesen
I'm furious.
jordan holmes
Words to live by from Alex Jones.
That's a quote.
That's a direct quote.
Trump is exactly what the country doesn't need.
dan friesen
Now, Alex Jones.
A couple of things that are fun.
Ron Paul is totally right in the sense that I would be okay with this if there was no way.
jordan holmes
Yeah, if there is no way, then yeah, it's hilarious.
dan friesen
Or he can bring up things we can't bring up, much like the Jeb, hey, your brother was in charge on 9-11, you dick.
That sort of stuff.
No one else could get away with that.
jordan holmes
Hey, you're complicit in war crimes, you asshole.
Right.
I get that you speak Spanish, but go fuck yourself.
dan friesen
Right.
That position, reasonable, especially because he's making it clear that I don't think he'd be a good president.
He's against the principles of libertarianism, which, Alex, you pretend you fucking.
jordan holmes
Supposedly.
Supposedly.
He's fine with a little tyranny.
dan friesen
The other thing that as time goes on, we need to start looking at is Rand Paul is clearly who he loves.
Rand Paul also supports Russia.
jordan holmes
Really?
dan friesen
Rand Paul was one of the only people who did not vote for sanctions against Russia.
jordan holmes
Wait, recently?
dan friesen
Yes.
jordan holmes
So was Bernie, though.
dan friesen
Right, but for different reasons.
jordan holmes
That's true.
That is true.
But also.
So, with that sanction.
dan friesen
John Paul is a frequent guest on RT.
jordan holmes
Really?
dan friesen
Yes.
jordan holmes
That's not true.
dan friesen
Yes.
Refuse.
It's very true.
unidentified
Really?
dan friesen
That alone, it's not like damning or anything like that.
jordan holmes
It doesn't help your case, though.
dan friesen
Especially when we're starting to realize that all of this does seem to be more about Russia than it is about Trump.
jordan holmes
Absolutely.
dan friesen
That we can get to the point where we have a psych warfare guy that Alex Jones respects and thinks isn't fucking with him come on the show and talk about hey, Russia's great, all this.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And eventually, Steve Pieczenik's argument is going to beat Ron Paul's argument.
Because Steve Pieczenik is all about Trump.
He is, this is our guy, but he also is still saying maybe Ben Carson will be okay.
That's insane nonsense.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
In hindsight.
jordan holmes
As we can see from his housing and urban development position.
dan friesen
Well, in hindsight, what they didn't know that we do is that it's insane the idea that you'd be like, those are my two guys.
But be that as it may, all of this seems to be about Russia and his love of Russia.
jordan holmes
Well, I think Sheriff David Clark would be a great president.
dan friesen
Well, he also is involved with Russia.
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Oh, yeah.
Isn't that crazy?
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Isn't it odd?
dan friesen
The other thing is like, I don't know anymore.
I just don't know.
I don't know what to do.
unidentified
I just wish it didn't keep happening.
jordan holmes
Everybody destroying everything has ties to Russia.
Seems like it.
It's not.
dan friesen
And it seems like everyone who's being tricked is being tricked in the direction Russia wants people to be tricked.
That seems to be a very common theme.
jordan holmes
Or they're clearly bought by the oligarchs, like your Mitch McConnell's and your Paul Ryan's.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
Like, it's.
dan friesen
Most likely.
We haven't proved it in court.
jordan holmes
Come on.
dan friesen
We haven't proved it in court.
jordan holmes
Come on.
dan friesen
Seems like it, but who knows?
jordan holmes
Either they're.
No, there's no other explanation.
They're bought and paid for by oligarchs.
Sure.
Or they're fucking lunatics.
dan friesen
Or people like Julian Assange are bought by the oligarchs.
And the people are.
jordan holmes
Yeah, but I kind of think Julian Assange has just lost his mind.
dan friesen
He's ideologically fine with it.
jordan holmes
I don't even think he.
I don't think he has anything other than he's just an insane person at this point.
dan friesen
It's possible.
jordan holmes
Like, he's been trapped in one room for a long time.
dan friesen
So I don't know.
I don't think that's.
jordan holmes
Like, that's literal.
That's.
It's not.
They've proven.
dan friesen
That's the myth.
jordan holmes
It's not the point.
The point is they've proven that that kind of isolation will make you go insane.
Right.
So I'm sure Assange, like, he's always been a complete and utter piece of shit.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
But I'm sure at some point he had.
dan friesen
Shit ain't helping.
jordan holmes
He had lofty ideals of information should be free, and now it's just he's an insane person.
dan friesen
Yeah, he's turned super villain in his being ensconced in the building.
jordan holmes
And if you are a megalomaniacal lunatic, of course you're going to join with Russia because it's the only other place that's like, hey, megalomania is great.
dan friesen
Also, another thing that bears pointing out is in 2017, in the last week on Alex Jones' show, he's had as a guest Alexander Dugan for the second time within a month.
jordan holmes
Not good.
dan friesen
And a guy named Charles Johnson, who's ostensibly a journalist.
Is not.
He is a hack and a Russian pimp.
He pimps for Russia.
jordan holmes
He pimps for Russia.
dan friesen
He was recently photographed outside of the Ecuadorian embassy meeting with Julian Assange.
And the other person who was there was Dana Rohrbacher.
jordan holmes
Not good.
dan friesen
Who is the most pro-Russia senator?
But he's just basically bought and paid for by Russia, constantly trying to pitch pro-Russia positions.
It's insane.
jordan holmes
That's fucking real.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Those are the people who Alex Jones has as a guest on his show now, and it makes sense if you look critically at what he was doing in the election.
It's not about Trump.
It never has been about Trump.
It's about Russia.
This whole thing is a whole diversion.
Trump is a diversion.
And that's what I'm learning.
And that makes this investigation really unsatisfying and really scary.
jordan holmes
And it's fucked up.
dan friesen
And the fact that Alex didn't think to scrub the fucking internet is crazy.
jordan holmes
Didn't even bother.
dan friesen
Because we may be witnessing a conspiracy unfold in public.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
unidentified
In public.
jordan holmes
That you can just Google.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
That's so insane.
dan friesen
But the reason that.
jordan holmes
How many people do you like?
There are so many hundreds of millions of people in the United States who just don't know or don't care to find out.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Like this is truly one of the great military maneuvers in history.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Like to have completely compromised an entire republic system at every level.
dan friesen
And without bloodshed.
jordan holmes
With nothing.
Yeah.
And to now own it almost entirely is incredible.
dan friesen
And the gambit is brilliant because if you control it, great.
And if you just sow complete crippling chaos, also great.
jordan holmes
And if you lose what?
More sanctions?
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
We're already a non-economy.
Like, what do you want from us?
dan friesen
And Putin and all the people he relies on to continue his power are not really as affected by the sanctions.
jordan holmes
Not affected at all.
dan friesen
They are to some extent, but to the extent that he still has hundreds of billions of dollars.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
And the oligarchs that make up his circle are all hugely rich.
jordan holmes
Oh, yeah.
dan friesen
All the sanctions are really going to do at this point is trickle down to punish the citizens who are already being punished by him.
jordan holmes
One-time trickle-down economics is true.
dan friesen
Trickle-down economics works in the reverse.
jordan holmes
If you are getting fucked, guess who it is?
dan friesen
Yeah.
The dick always goes in the bottom.
Yeah.
I think that might be another Larry Nichols.
So we've discovered, I think, and I've listened to the next couple episodes, the next week or so, and I think we're going to see this develop even more.
But because David Knight takes over for the next four days or so, I want to walk you through October 2020.
jordan holmes
David Knight's bullshit?
dan friesen
No.
October 22nd is the last day for Alex Jones disappears mysteriously.
And I think what he's doing is having some secretive meetings.
I think he's going down and being coached or something like that.
Steve Pieczenik might have set something up.
I don't know.
But it's very weird that you have this introduction of a psych warfare guy, and then you start supporting Le Pen, and then you skip a day, and then you disappear on a trip.
jordan holmes
Now, in order to just ensure that we don't get too far down this rabbit hole, Alex Jones does disappear.
He does leave the show frequently.
A lot of it is.
So this is, timing-wise, very suspicious.
However, he does leave a lot, so I'm not willing to jump on board with that thought process.
dan friesen
No, that's true.
That's true.
That's fair.
jordan holmes
Maybe he just got tired from carrying Russia's water for so long.
dan friesen
Speaking of water, most of the show is a long commercial for the Alexa Pure water system that he's going to introduce into the InfoWars store, which I think is why he stayed another day.
I think he would have left because this show is uninspired and boring.
There is not much going on.
All he does is try and retcon the idea that Joe Biden was going to run for president because now it's clear that he's not.
That news comes out that he's not running for president.
And Alex Jones tries to reown that or reclaim it by being like, that shows how much everyone's afraid of Hillary.
So no matter what, your narrative is going to fly.
So it doesn't matter.
But I have three drops that are just fun from October 23rd or 22nd, excuse me, that we're just going to run through.
This episode needs to end fun because I think we have gotten too sad.
jordan holmes
I've gotten so very depressed.
dan friesen
Yeah, so here you go.
Here's the first one.
alex jones
I've got to find a crew member or somebody that's got a pregnant wife.
I need a pregnant woman as a prop.
unidentified
I need a pregnant woman as a prop.
jordan holmes
I need a pregnant woman that's a prop.
Somebody get me a pregnant woman.
dan friesen
Yeah.
That's great.
No reason to explain that.
jordan holmes
Get out of Craigslist, Ed.
dan friesen
That's a continuation of his, I'm going to go knock on people's doors and publicity stunts.
alex jones
Yep.
dan friesen
I'm going to bring a pregnant woman and make them give birth.
jordan holmes
Of course.
That makes sense.
dan friesen
Here's the next one.
alex jones
Energize me.
I will take the enemy on.
Empower me.
I need the funding.
I will attack.
dan friesen
That's not pathetic at all.
Yeah.
alex jones
Fond me.
dan friesen
Desperate.
jordan holmes
Go to knowledgefight.com and click support the show.
dan friesen
Yeah, fond us.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
So here's the last one.
And this is less a quick out-of-context drop, but Alex Jones possibly wrestling with what will inevitably be his demise, but has not been yet.
unidentified
Okay.
alex jones
We had Steve Pieczenik on.
And a lot of folks hear Steve Pachinik and they don't trust him because of the positions he's been in.
I'm not saying you should trust him.
But look at what he's told us over the years.
It's turned out to basically be true.
And he does do manipulative stuff where he was like, Jeb Bush should run.
He's a really great leader.
I really like him.
When he's saying George W. Bush is involved in 9-11 and should, you know, go on trial for treason.
And then it turns out he's been at the Council on Foreign Relations advising them to run Jeb Bush to set Jeb Bush up so they could then make it about 9-11.
I mean, when you're dealing with Pachinik, it is serious psychological warfare.
And he's not doing it to this broadcast.
He's here saying, America's going to win.
We're going to take the country back.
We're going to be positive.
Our military is going to be patriotic and not go along with this.
And it's been happening.
I'm not saying Pachinik is even 5% of the whole resistance at that level, but what he's saying is true and is being listened to.
And this broadcast is a format for that to happen.
dan friesen
That's pathetic.
That's incredibly sad because he's even saying it on the show.
jordan holmes
He's lied as a manipulator.
He's lied to everyone, but he's not doing it to us.
You can trust him.
dan friesen
We're special.
jordan holmes
Because he already says what I already say.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
And because he's told us he's not doing it to us.
jordan holmes
Yeah, he said so.
Yeah.
You got to trust him.
Right.
I listened to him talk, seems honest.
unidentified
Right.
jordan holmes
I bet nobody else has heard him be honest.
dan friesen
No.
No, and I'm sure he's never told anybody else, hey, I'm not fucking with you.
Yeah.
jordan holmes
It's one of those things where you see immediately how con men work and how you can.
dan friesen
And how marks work.
jordan holmes
Yeah, exactly.
You can like everybody, every single person imagines that they would never be taken in by a con man for an instant.
dan friesen
Until they do.
jordan holmes
And they are.
We're all like, I want to believe that I wouldn't be taken in by a con man simply because of doing this dumb fucking show where it's a no, I'm sorry.
I'm sorry.
dan friesen
Don't insult our listeners.
jordan holmes
I'm just angry.
Where like our entire deal is skepticism.
Yeah.
But at the same time, you see people like Luis Mensch show up.
And you see all these different conmen, and it doesn't matter what side you're on, plenty of people can be conned just by being told that what they already think is true.
It's like an astrologist.
Well, and you were born under this sign, and that means that you're a good person and you like going out, but sometimes you like staying in.
And you're like, I already know that, so you must be telling the truth.
dan friesen
Well, beyond that, too, I think the connection between Louise Mensch and Alex Jones, at least in this sense, is the line that they feed you that you want to hear also involves inaction.
jordan holmes
That's a good point.
dan friesen
It involves, like, because a lot of Louise Mensch's narratives have to do with, hey, there's already sealed indictments and stuff like that.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
He's already been impeached.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
All this stuff.
Right.
The only real functional outcome of that is you thinking, oh, it's all taken care of.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
And to a certain extent, Alex Jones does the same things.
It's like we've got these people like Steve Pieczenik who are working it on the inside.
It's all a counter-coup.
It's all happening.
Trump is going to, I mean, he's not there yet, but he will be there eventually.
And the only thing he needs to scream and get action about is not doing anything.
Right.
Except giving him money.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Stay out of the way, give me money, and we'll take care of it.
dan friesen
And Louise Mensch does take money from people, but at the same time, she doesn't, she's not as overt as Alex.
But it could just be nascency.
It could be the beginning of an Alex Jones-like figure, but it probably will never happen.
jordan holmes
Or not on the left on the lie front.
I don't know.
Yeah.
That is kind of a really good point that I hadn't thought about it.
dan friesen
But don't fight.
jordan holmes
But that's one thing that I hate getting updates from the Mueller investigation.
Like, you made a good point, and it kind of made me realize why it's like, I don't care what Mueller's doing.
He's got like a year before anything is going to fucking happen.
dan friesen
Most likely.
jordan holmes
I get that he's fucking subpoenaing people, but until something happens, who gives a fuck?
We have to fight him now.
dan friesen
I can't.
jordan holmes
Everywhere.
So Mueller doesn't impeach him.
Mueller doesn't get his evidence in for seven months.
That means every fucking DACA recipient is already gone.
unidentified
Well, but that's that I think.
dan friesen
But here's where I think Dan the centrist comes in a little bit.
jordan holmes
The centrist.
dan friesen
I think that.
jordan holmes
Can we play in your entrance music?
Is that what it is?
dan friesen
I think that it's reasonable to be dismissive of these attention-grabbing new things in Mueller's investigation, but at the same time, not be discounting the entirety of it.
The goal, I think, is to look forward to whatever that investigation finds, because I think it's going to be damning.
It's going to be so damn good.
But at the same time, not let this image of some Deus ex Machina that's going to come down the road that we have no control over stop us from taking direct action in terms of the things that are going to be a problem in the immediate.
Because all that stuff, like with DACA, there isn't anything in his investigation that's going to be involving that.
So that takes people calling senators.
That takes people getting on the street.
So you have to do those things and not become complacent with the idea he's going to get impeached eventually.
You have to balance it.
He is going to get impeached eventually.
But at the same time, each time there is something that he tries to.
jordan holmes
But again, Tamar has a 4% approval rating in Brazil.
He is caught on tape committing a crime by offering bribes.
And what happened?
dan friesen
Well, fuck all.
But here's the thing: we're not Brazil.
And we're not Kenya.
There are a lot of different countries work different ways.
jordan holmes
That's true.
That's true.
unidentified
And hopefully, you know, I just don't like the precedents that are being set.
dan friesen
But that's not a precedent for our courts.
That's a precedent for theirs.
jordan holmes
That's true.
That's true.
dan friesen
The idea is, I think, and I think the lesson that we're all learning in a very Gorsuch is on the Supreme Court.
jordan holmes
So not a great thing.
dan friesen
But I know that's scary.
But at the same time, I think.
unidentified
Oh, boy.
dan friesen
Yeah, that is a bad.
That's a bad thing.
jordan holmes
It's a bad thing, isn't it?
But how did it work when we had five conservative Supreme Court justices in 2000, Dan?
How did that go down?
dan friesen
Not great.
jordan holmes
Did it go down well?
dan friesen
Not great.
No.
But I don't know what I was going to say.
Oh, yeah.
jordan holmes
Sorry.
dan friesen
The thing is, the lesson that we're learning the very hard way is that our institutions don't save us, and our traditions aren't real unless we make them real.
And so the things that are being pushed that are against our values, that are against American principles, it is behooving us to take action to keep fighting.
Keep, I don't know.
I like, I don't even know what you can do.
I don't know.
You can tweet stuff we can do this show.
We can try.
The only thing you can do, but like you have to do those things because without them, there's nothing.
There's nothing.
There's nothing standing in the way of just complete demolition of all of America.
Well, not all of America, but all of the games.
jordan holmes
All of non-white America.
dan friesen
All of the games.
But even then, they're destroying all of the games that we've made towards building a better society since the times of Upton Sinclair.
All of the stuff that we like, we don't want to return to that hellscape.
And if we don't act, we will.
At the same time, Mueller's investigation probably will turn up some dark shit.
jordan holmes
Oh, it's already turned up dark shit.
So there we go.
I imagine that.
dan friesen
It's a balance.
jordan holmes
I imagine that at a certain point, somebody in Mueller's investigation, like one of the lower-level people, is going to catch wind that nothing is going to happen and be like, I know all the real shit.
I got to do this.
And then he's going to take this into my own hands.
dan friesen
And then he's going to go on Alex Jones.
jordan holmes
And just start fucking people up.
dan friesen
Maybe.
jordan holmes
Let's hope.
dan friesen
I don't know.
But we'll see what happens.
jordan holmes
I don't know, Dan.
Will we see what happens?
dan friesen
Who knows?
jordan holmes
Will we live long enough to see what happens?
dan friesen
We will live long enough to be at Northbow.
This Saturday, guys.
September 9th.
unidentified
The show will not be this long.
dan friesen
If you're worried that you're going to come to a three and a half hour podcast, you're not.
jordan holmes
Or if you're excited that you're going to come to a three and a half hour podcast, then it's going to happen.
Don't worry about it.
Oh, it's going to happen.
Who knows?
We make no promises.
dan friesen
Yeah, we intend for it to be about an hour and a half.
jordan holmes
But that's true every time.
As if that's possible.
dan friesen
But you can check us out at knowledgefight.com.
That's our website.
We have a bunch of goodies on there.
You can find our cool-ass flyer on there.
jordan holmes
That's true.
We have a cool-ass flyer.
dan friesen
Yeah, super cool.
jordan holmes
You can follow us on at knowledge underscore fights.
unidentified
On Twitter.
jordan holmes
That's where you can follow us.
You can subscribe to us on iTunes or listen to us wherever podcasts are.
dan friesen
That's not entirely true.
I haven't set it up on Stitcher yet.
I need to do that.
jordan holmes
Then you can listen to us on some places where podcasts are.
dan friesen
Some places that have been automatically aggregated that I'm not aware of, probably.
jordan holmes
So, frankly, if you're already listening to this podcast, you found where to find it.
dan friesen
I also apologize.
I don't know why I need to tell you where listeners.
I'll get Stitcher figured out eventually.
Although I've heard bad things about them, so I might not want to get involved.
Who cares?
jordan holmes
Well, they supported the Nazis.
dan friesen
We're now on Earwolf.
unidentified
We're not.
dan friesen
Oh, boy.
jordan holmes
Feral Audio does a makeup podcast, but they would never have anything to do with us.
dan friesen
Too long.
Too dumb.
jordan holmes
Too long.
dan friesen
But anyway, if you guys know anybody at Farrell, let them know that we are shitting on them.
jordan holmes
Not for them.
No, wait, what?
dan friesen
I wasn't shitting on him.
You might be.
Also, we are on Facebook.
You can check us out there.
It's just KnowledgeFight.
Please leave a review.
Send a message.
We love to communicate with folks as best we can.
I apologize.
There's probably some emails I haven't responded to.
jordan holmes
Right.
Hey, here's a question, Dan.
dan friesen
What's up?
jordan holmes
If you were on Facebook, but let's say you were a guy with a long, crazy beard and fake teeth who had never hung up a picture in his life.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
Right?
And you were also, but you knew some Knowledge Fight listeners.
What would Knowledge Fight listeners comment onto one of your posts?
dan friesen
Dude, I bet he does have a Facebook.
jordan holmes
Oh, shit, I bet he does have a Facebook.
dan friesen
Guys, let's all find John Rappaport on Facebook.
jordan holmes
Guys, Knowledge Fight commenters, call to action.
What should we say?
dan friesen
No, I know that's the bit, but fuck you, John Rappaport, is too mean to just send.
Like, I don't want our listeners just directly insulting him like that.
jordan holmes
That's true.
We're not that kind of people, are we?
dan friesen
No, even though we send it to you.
jordan holmes
God damn it, we want to be those kind of people.
dan friesen
But I don't want our listeners to harass a man.
jordan holmes
No, that seems bad.
dan friesen
I would rather them post loaded questions.
I don't know, maybe insulting questions about his various medical frauds, his, I don't know.
jordan holmes
You know what?
For making us grapple with this issue, I just want to say, go fuck yourself, John Rappaport.
alex jones
Andy in Kansas, you're on the air.
Thanks for holding.
jordan holmes
Hello, Alex.
I'm a first-time caller.
unidentified
I'm a huge fan.
alex jones
I love your work.
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