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Sept. 1, 2017 - Knowledge Fight
02:03:12
#79: Meet Captain Mark Richards

Today, Dan needs to take a break from explaining Alex Jones to Jordan, so instead he tells Jordan all about a story from the annals of Project Camelot. In this installment, the gents explore JoAnne and Mark Richards, a married couple who claim to be deeply involved in the Secret Space Program. Are they really space travelers, or is Mark a very serious con-man who has a lot of fanciful stories about Space Raptors? Most likely that second option.

Participants
Main voices
d
dan friesen
53:50
j
joanne richards
10:54
j
jordan holmes
39:29
k
kerry cassidy
13:17
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alex jones
00:03
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Speaker Time Text
alex jones
Andy in Kansas, you're on the air.
dan friesen
Thanks for holding.
unidentified
Hello, Alex.
I'm a first-time caller.
I'm a huge fan.
I love your work.
I love you.
dan friesen
Hey, everybody.
Welcome back to Knowledge Fight.
I'm Dan.
unidentified
I'm Jordan.
dan friesen
We are a couple dudes who like to sit around, drink novelty beverages, and talk about Alex Jones.
jordan holmes
That is pretty much what we do.
dan friesen
It's like our job, but we don't get paid nearly as much as jobs.
jordan holmes
And nobody...
unidentified
Really is interested, let's face it.
dan friesen
A number of people.
jordan holmes
A number of people, but I mean like...
More than should be.
That's a better way of putting it.
dan friesen
Certainly, it's great and we appreciate everyone who listens, but...
Man, we would have thought there would be like half as many.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Oh, man.
I would have assumed that it was much like Alex Jones' real listeners in Chicago.
It would just be you.
dan friesen
Yeah.
We're getting negative out of the jump.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's a good point.
Now, let me ask you a question, though.
dan friesen
What's up?
jordan holmes
Could there possibly be a reason that people would listen to our show beyond its subject matter?
dan friesen
Possibly?
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Is there a dynamic between the two of us?
Friends?
We're friends?
Okay, well that solves that.
dan friesen
Enjoy each other's company?
jordan holmes
Is that what you're getting at?
Yeah, I think so.
unidentified
Okay.
jordan holmes
I think that's it.
End of bit.
dan friesen
I know a lot about Alex Jones.
You do not.
jordan holmes
I don't know anything about Alex Jones.
dan friesen
And that's where our fun is.
jordan holmes
That or avoiding doing any of the bits that we're supposed to do.
dan friesen
I don't know why we started doing them in the first place.
So let's...
jordan holmes
So we could fail.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Why do we get up?
So we can learn to fall again.
It's the inverse of Alfred.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
So, I've got some business I want to take care of up top.
jordan holmes
Okay, we've got up top business.
dan friesen
I'd like to remind everyone that we have a live show coming up at North Bar on September 9th.
jordan holmes
Oh yeah, we're plugging it up top instead of at the end after everybody's already turned it off.
This is smart.
dan friesen
Yeah, we should do that.
jordan holmes
Dan, this is smart.
This is unprecedented territory for us.
dan friesen
September 9th at 9pm.
And I feel comfortable enough to reveal at this point...
That what we will be doing is going over Alex Jones and the Mayan apocalypse.
jordan holmes
That is exactly what we should do at a live show.
dan friesen
That's the episode that we will be covering, so if you're excited about that, you should come check it out.
And if not, if you live in other parts of the country or the world, and you happen to have friends in Chicago, please feel free to help spread the word.
It's a Saturday night at a bar.
We'd really like to make it...
Not shitty for the bar.
jordan holmes
Yeah, even when we're doing it for us, we're still like, look, we're fine failing.
That's what we're used to.
dan friesen
We've done stand-up for years.
jordan holmes
They're a business.
dan friesen
We are used to failing.
jordan holmes
Yeah, exactly.
Also, if you are anywhere in the world, Chicago is quite lovely this time of year.
America, not so great, but Chicago's still nice.
dan friesen
The leaves are about to change at some point.
jordan holmes
Yeah, so if you are Sonja from Sweden...
dan friesen
Speaking of which...
jordan holmes
I'm sorry, the alliteration makes it impossible to ignore.
dan friesen
Speaking of which, Sonja from Sweden, I'd like to give a shout-out to our newest policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Oh, shit!
unidentified
I'm a policy wonk.
dan friesen
Thank you very much for donating to the show, Sonja.
jordan holmes
Sonja!
Ah, man, you get an all-expenses-paid-by-you trip to this show on Saturday nights.
dan friesen
If you would like to become a policy wonk much like Sonya, you can do so by going to our website, knowledgefight.com, clicking the support the show button, and you can become a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Please do.
dan friesen
Speaking of which, I don't know how to do this, so I'm just going to jump into it.
I'd like to give a special shout-out to some special policy wonks out there.
I'd like to wish a happy congratulations.
Congratulations on your engagement out there.
jordan holmes
A happy congratulations.
dan friesen
Happy congratulations.
jordan holmes
Happy congratulations.
dan friesen
On your engagement to Mike and Beth.
jordan holmes
Oh!
dan friesen
We're thrilled for you.
We wish all the blessings of the elite globalists upon your union.
Hope your wedding is as extravagant as that of one of the Rockefellers.
I don't know.
jordan holmes
Yeah, there we go.
We just want you to get the life extension technology, and that only counts if you're in a traditional family.
dan friesen
Indeed, indeed.
jordan holmes
Good luck to you.
dan friesen
So that is all of our business up top.
I think we got through it reasonably quickly.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I think we did a good job.
dan friesen
So, Jordan, I have some iffy news.
I wanted to check in with the current day Alex.
unidentified
Whoa!
jordan holmes
Oh, by the way, we're drinking...
Fago Red Pop.
dan friesen
Red Pop.
jordan holmes
And it has the delicious taste of red and a blast of cotton candy at your face.
dan friesen
Oh, nice.
jordan holmes
It is intense.
dan friesen
I can't wait to get into this thing.
unidentified
It is an atrocity of sugar.
dan friesen
So, Jordan, before I was distracted and interrupted by your shock and awe...
jordan holmes
Rudely, rudely distracted and interrupted.
dan friesen
I didn't say it that way.
So, what I was saying is I needed to check in with modern-day Alex Jones because it's been a little while since we've checked in on the show where he...
There's been a natural disaster, and Trump has been bungling stuff all over town.
jordan holmes
And there was a flood in Houston.
unidentified
Yeah, get him.
jordan holmes
There we are.
There it is.
dan friesen
So, I wanted to check in and see what was going on, and so today, we're recording this on Thursday, I'm at work, and I'm like, alright, let me listen to Wednesday's show.
And I pull up the episodes, and it has the guests listed.
jordan holmes
Oh, no.
dan friesen
Alexander Dugan is back.
jordan holmes
No!
dan friesen
I'm like, oh, God.
jordan holmes
How is this possible?
dan friesen
Then it's like the other guest on the show is Stefan Molyneux.
jordan holmes
Oh, okay.
dan friesen
I can't do it.
I just can't do it.
jordan holmes
The next guest was going to be Stefan Marbury, though, so that would have been pretty great.
dan friesen
If Starbury's on there and he starts crying, I'm in.
jordan holmes
Right, of course.
dan friesen
Stefan Molyneux, for those of you who don't know who he is, he's a guy who created a show called Free Domain Radio.
He considers himself the most popular philosopher on iTunes or on the internet.
He does these videos where he's just in front of a white wall discussing philosophical concepts.
jordan holmes
Alright, so he's an idiot.
dan friesen
He's really smart, but he's like, eh.
No, I mean smart in the technical sense.
He's technically intelligent.
He is.
And it pains me to say so, because he's a monster.
He is a libertarian, in quotes.
jordan holmes
Alright, so he's an idiot.
dan friesen
He's an anarcho-capitalist.
jordan holmes
Oh, so he's an idiot.
dan friesen
He's beyond an idiot.
He is legitimately a cult leader.
There are actual support groups of people who have broken away from his free domain radio group.
jordan holmes
Really?
dan friesen
He believes in a thing he calls defooing, which is, on the surface, a really decent thing.
I'm not going to play anything of Stefan Molyneux, maybe ever on this podcast, because he is a dangerous fucking ding-dong.
jordan holmes
He's already enraged me, and I've heard his name.
dan friesen
Well, and he has a habit of suing people or pressing copyright charges against them if they use clips of him to prove him wrong.
jordan holmes
That's a smart move.
dan friesen
He took down an opponent's YouTube channel because they were using his clips and then pointing out where he's lying and shit like that.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
So it's best for us not just to mess with that.
unidentified
Right, right, right.
dan friesen
But this defooing thing, this idea...
It sounds good on the surface.
And what it is, is the idea...
jordan holmes
It's getting rid of the Foo Fighters.
dan friesen
Right, get rid of Grohl.
jordan holmes
Get rid of Grohl.
dan friesen
Get rid of that guy.
jordan holmes
Let's keep Grohl, but...
dan friesen
Keep Pat Smear.
So, it's the idea that you don't have to keep abusive people in your life.
And if people are negative, you can cut them out of your life.
jordan holmes
Oh, do you mean like a suppressive person?
dan friesen
Right, but if you don't go crazy with it, it's actually good, because you do have the right to keep negative influences out of your life.
jordan holmes
I agree.
dan friesen
But the problem is, he believes that anybody who doesn't believe in these libertarian anarcho-capitalist ideas...
Are abusing you.
jordan holmes
Oh, suppressive persons.
dan friesen
Indeed.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
It's exactly that sort of thing, because he has videos where he goes on and on talking about how, like, if you support the idea of me going to prison because I don't pay my taxes, then you support government violence against me.
Why should I allow you in my life if you support violence against me?
So basically...
He's advocating that it's reasonable and necessary to cut anyone out of your life who believes in taxes.
jordan holmes
Okay, so he's pulling some sort of irrational, illogical jujitsu on idiots.
dan friesen
Yes.
And smart people, because he is incredibly smart and very manipulative.
jordan holmes
It's fine if he's incredibly smart, then the only context within which you can say that is he is incredibly smart.
And talented at the scale of making idiots do dumb shit.
dan friesen
No, no.
Go watch some of...
I recommend anybody who's interested do this.
There's a lot of videos on YouTube you can find where people who used to be a part of his flock discuss the experience of being suckered in, basically.
And they're very smart, articulate people who just...
You know, they thought they were getting involved in something political and it turned out it was a cult.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
And you don't...
You know what...
unidentified
Well, yeah, but that's how it...
jordan holmes
It's not like cult members aren't all...
dan friesen
Was it Clapper or Brennan who was saying, like, sometimes the road to ending up doing treasonous things, it doesn't appear that it's treasonous until it's too late.
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
dan friesen
That sort of idea...
jordan holmes
That was probably Clapper.
dan friesen
That relates to cults, too.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
I think, I mean, the instant...
Your life...
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
You grew up in it.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
But choosing to join one as an adult, you often don't know until you're in.
That it's something really fucked up.
jordan holmes
There's just a common thread among all of the people, which is like you're...
It's the same thing with suicide.
It really is like a passing, fleeting moment of like, I'm hopeless.
I don't know what I'm doing.
Nobody is giving me any good advice.
And then there's this person that just gives you this hope that you don't have.
dan friesen
Validation, inclusion.
jordan holmes
And so that's how you get...
And it's the same way with suicide in which...
If you don't commit suicide, if you get through that five minutes or whatever length of time, then all of a sudden you'll go, oh, well, it wasn't that big a deal.
You get over it.
And so that happens with people who join cults is they get them at that right moment.
dan friesen
I agree.
jordan holmes
And it's not that they're smart or dumb for joining the cult, but...
If you're the cult leader, yes, generally you have some sort of charismatic intelligence about you, but that does not mean that you are not an idiot.
I rest my case!
dan friesen
He is the fucking dirt worst, this Stefan Molyneux, too.
Like, I don't even want to get into it, but just one great example, you can find a video of this somewhere, but he...
After Elliot Rodger, the guy who went and killed a bunch of people because women wouldn't have sex with him...
jordan holmes
Alright.
dan friesen
Stefan Molyneux blamed women.
jordan holmes
Oh.
Okay, well then he's a genius.
dan friesen
Yeah, his whole angle was about...
jordan holmes
It takes a lot of brilliance to get there.
I'm sure there's a circuitous path to get around all of the obvious idiocy.
dan friesen
As I recall, it had to do with women fucking strong dudes.
You're going to end up causing this sort of thing.
jordan holmes
Of course.
dan friesen
It's like, whoa, dude, what the fuck are you talking about?
jordan holmes
Oh no, it goes back millennia.
dan friesen
But anyway, stuff like that.
jordan holmes
Women have bred us to beat them.
unidentified
Right.
jordan holmes
That makes perfect sense.
dan friesen
Exactly.
jordan holmes
That makes perfect sense.
That's not an insane person.
dan friesen
So, like, these clips exist throughout Stefan Molyneux's work.
But because he has this aggressive stance towards copyright stuff and has taken action against people, people are pretty reticent to post clips of the evil stuff.
It's still there, but you've got to dig through hours of him rambling about esoteric points in philosophy, stuff that sounds benign, in order to get to those points.
So he gets a lot of cover out of...
I mean, thank God.
jordan holmes
He doesn't understand the irony of him being a libertarian anarcho-capitalist who is really into copyright laws, right?
He doesn't get that.
Obviously, he's a fucking moron.
dan friesen
All his critics get it.
jordan holmes
Oh, it should be very clear.
dan friesen
Get the irony, yeah.
So, on Wednesday, Alex has Stefan on.
And he's had him on before.
But it's a really huge problem that he's having, basically, wacky...
Not wacky, because he's...
He's worse than wacky.
That's way too nice.
This cult leader on his show, and they have a chummy pal session every time he's on, and then Alexander Dugan.
I was just like, I don't know what to do.
I was just like, fuck the present.
So I looked at that and I said, I don't want to live in the present.
So here's an out-of-context drop of what we are going to be talking about today.
kerry cassidy
As I've said, And raptors are going to factor in a lot in this discussion.
dan friesen
Yeah!
unidentified
Yes!
Yeah!
jordan holmes
Ah!
dan friesen
We needed a break.
jordan holmes
Thank you so much, Dan!
Thank you so much!
Raptors!
dan friesen
Raptors!
jordan holmes
Yes!
dan friesen
Raptors are going to factor heavily into this.
I have discovered something really fucked up in Project Camelot that is going to...
jordan holmes
Can you say that one more time?
unidentified
One more time.
dan friesen
No, I'll let Carrie say it.
kerry cassidy
As I've said, raptors are going to factor in a lot in this discussion.
unidentified
All right.
Alright, alright.
jordan holmes
Stefan Molyneux should still die, but this is great.
Now I feel good.
dan friesen
All that stuff I can't fucking handle.
I'm about to go on vacation for the weekend, celebrate my friend Riggs, Matt Riggs, friend of the show, his bachelor party.
jordan holmes
Congratulations to him.
dan friesen
And I don't need fucking three hours of Stefan Molyneux going on.
Let's fucking talk Raptors.
jordan holmes
Yes, yes, yes.
Raptors are going to factor heavily into this.
dan friesen
So today, Jordan, we're going to be talking about a Project Camelot.
jordan holmes
You know, normally, if I hear that sentence outside of the context of Project Camelot, I think, oh, there is going to be a very narrow path this conversation can go down.
dan friesen
Maybe you're talking to a falconer.
jordan holmes
Yeah, we have to know about raptors.
We have to decide what raptors we're talking about right here.
Is this a Jurassic Park kind of situation?
Is this a, as you mentioned, falconer situation?
Is this about a team that has not...
Done much in the playoffs for a long time.
Who is this about?
dan friesen
I can tell you it's not the last one.
jordan holmes
In Project Camelot, I have no fucking clue and anything could happen.
unidentified
It could be all of them except for basketball.
dan friesen
Certainly they're not going to be talking about Tracy McGrady?
jordan holmes
No.
unidentified
What?
jordan holmes
Way off.
Tracy McGrady was never a Raptor.
dan friesen
Vince Carter.
jordan holmes
Vince Carter.
unidentified
Thank you.
dan friesen
That was a long time ago.
jordan holmes
He's on Memphis right now.
He's 40 years old and he's still playing.
dan friesen
God bless him.
jordan holmes
Yeah, right?
dan friesen
That's about when I stopped watching basketball.
unidentified
That was a good time.
dan friesen
Around that time.
jordan holmes
I don't know.
I mean, you got LeBron.
You got Durant.
You got Steph Curry.
You got...
Come on.
This league is amazing right now.
dan friesen
You're speaking...
jordan holmes
I don't know why I'm doing this.
dan friesen
Because you are too afraid to get to Raptors.
jordan holmes
No, I think that's the exact opposite.
dan friesen
So, Jordan.
jordan holmes
Yes.
Let's get it.
dan friesen
For those of you who have not listened to our entire back catalog, whenever we need to take a break, we dip our toes into the world of Project Camelot and Carrie Cassidy, nay Callahan.
Jordan and I could not get her name right for a very long time.
jordan holmes
For at least a good eight months.
dan friesen
So, we need to do that.
And today, I was...
Scrolling around after I got sick of the idea of listening to Alex Jones and I saw an interview with a lady named Joanne Richards and the headline was Space Command.
jordan holmes
Excellent.
dan friesen
And I was like, fuck, we need to learn more about Space Command.
unidentified
Absolutely.
dan friesen
Alex Jones talks about Space Command a bunch.
unidentified
Of course.
dan friesen
And that has been for 16 years.
jordan holmes
Oh, absolutely.
dan friesen
This lady has inside information about Space Command.
We gotta fucking get into it.
So.
jordan holmes
That's your ancillary connection to the Alex Jones show?
We're still doing research into InfoWars.
dan friesen
I'm not saying that it's one-to-one related, but it is the same topic.
jordan holmes
Of course!
dan friesen
Now granted...
jordan holmes
It falls within our purview.
dan friesen
The world of Project Camelot is way crazier.
And so much more fun!
jordan holmes
Let's...
Let me tell you.
I think it's way more imaginative.
dan friesen
Certainly.
jordan holmes
Because they believe in good and evil, whereas Alex just believes that everything is negative all the time and they're coming to get us.
dan friesen
Except Trump.
He thinks Trump is great and patriots are awesome.
jordan holmes
Yeah, but...
Even those things are still coming to get us.
Even how he describes them is always, you know, oh, Trump, he's really evil, but in a good way.
So it's like, eh, you're still negative.
dan friesen
That's a fair point.
So we're going to be covering two episodes of Project Camelot that relate.
And this, Jordan, is going to be an incredible rollercoaster ride for you.
unidentified
Okay.
dan friesen
I have some big reveals.
jordan holmes
About Raptors?
dan friesen
Yeah.
It took every bit of strength.
First of all, not to tell you that I was doing a Project Camelot episode.
jordan holmes
The joy you heard is pure, pure genuine.
dan friesen
To not spoil where this is going is so hard for me.
unidentified
Okay.
dan friesen
So I'm going to try and lay this out as best I can.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
And hope for the best.
unidentified
All right.
dan friesen
This first clip is Carrie Cassidy sitting down with Joanne Richards.
This is her introduction.
She doesn't really know how to give herself an introduction.
jordan holmes
Joanne Rich is an author of some kind, right?
I've seen her name on top of books.
dan friesen
Probably a different one, I assume.
unidentified
Whatever she's written, I don't think you've written.
dan friesen
She runs a website about EarthGuard.
Command or something like that.
jordan holmes
Okay, well then never mind.
This is not the same Joanne Richards.
dan friesen
This introduction, this self-introduction is a little long-winded, but let's sit through it just to get a little bit of a context for everything.
kerry cassidy
Okay, so Joanne, actually, you know, other than I think you're an accountant on the side, you have a background in journalism.
I know.
You are married to a very important individual, in my view.
And I think that you've also been on the circuit now basically talking about his information and publishing it and putting it on a very interesting website called Earth Defense Headquarters.
jordan holmes
Good.
kerry cassidy
And why don't you give yourself your own introduction?
You know, to let people know a little bit more about you before we kind of launch into everything here.
unidentified
All right.
joanne richards
Thank you.
kerry cassidy
Okay.
joanne richards
So, let's see.
Where do I start?
I grew up in Southern California, basically.
I know what that means.
I live north of San Francisco now, but my family moved up to the San Francisco Bay Area when I was in high school.
So, I finished high school there.
I went to college in Utah for a while.
Married a few different guys.
I moved back to California and became a bookkeeper.
And I've been doing bookkeeping for private clients and also for different...
I was an employee for a while.
Off and on for 35 years.
A grown daughter and three wonderful grandchildren.
jordan holmes
When's the hammer going to drop, Joanne?
joanne richards
Portland and Washington.
dan friesen
This is a lot of superfluous to chat.
joanne richards
I'm actually going to see them for Mother's Day and then next week I'll be up there working and babysitting, so that'll be fun.
And I've been married to Mark 14 and a half years.
We've known each other since late 1997 is when we met.
And we courted for five years.
jordan holmes
What is that?
joanne richards
Who is this lady?
Time just flies when you're having fun.
jordan holmes
Get to it!
joanne richards
And basically, you know, people ask me how I got into this stuff all the time.
So I grew up watching Martian movies and the sci-fi movies.
And, you know, that was all well and good and that was fun.
But never thinking, you know, I just thought that was all pretend.
And never thought much about it.
jordan holmes
Oh, here we go.
joanne richards
And then I met Mark, and he started introducing me to some new information, and then he started sharing with me some of the stuff that he did for the military, and all of a sudden it wasn't just pretend, and this is what, you know, real people did without everybody else knowing about it.
And it's like, wow.
And then you read about this man you adore almost getting killed over and over and over again, and then fighting aliens.
jordan holmes
There it is.
unidentified
There it is.
joanne richards
Just a lot of weird stuff, but also learning about all kinds of wonderful topics along the way.
jordan holmes
Right, but tell me more about your life as a homemaker.
I want to know about your daughter.
dan friesen
I like getting that stuff in because I want to stress, as we go along, Joanne seems like a sweet lady.
unidentified
She's just got this life story that is just...
dan friesen
Married a couple dudes.
jordan holmes
There's no way that that should end with...
And then you hear about the man you love fighting aliens, and you're like, wait, no!
dan friesen
So, this interview is mostly about Joanne's husband, Mark.
jordan holmes
Mark.
dan friesen
They're going to be discussing a lot of information that comes from him, and a lot of it's pretty fun, and raptors are going to factor heavily into this.
jordan holmes
Raptors are going to factor heavily into this.
dan friesen
We're going to learn so much about raptors by the end of this.
jordan holmes
So, Mark was in the military.
dan friesen
Ostensibly.
jordan holmes
That's already the question that I'm...
Already I'm like, Mark was never in the military.
Joanne, Joanne.
dan friesen
Run.
jordan holmes
Get away from Mark.
He is lying to you.
dan friesen
I know some stuff.
I don't think he was in the military.
I'm gonna say no.
jordan holmes
No, of course not.
dan friesen
All these dudes who are in the secret space program weren't in the military.
It's all stolen valor.
jordan holmes
No, they were in the alternate military.
And then they were time-traveled back to where they weren't in the military.
This is obvious.
dan friesen
So the interview that Carrie has with Joanne starts with a lot of sort of...
Pleasantries.
You can kind of tell that they're friends, and so maybe the first ten minutes or so end up being them, you know...
jordan holmes
Just having a gab.
dan friesen
They're gabbing a little bit.
You know, it is what it is.
But then we get into some real issues, and they start with current events.
kerry cassidy
In terms of the secret space program and your understanding about what's going on, has he ever talked to you about the current events, such as what's going on in North Korea, for example?
joanne richards
Yes, we do, because, you know, I hear things, and then I'll ask him.
And, you know, we were talking a lot about Syria, and, you know, now the heat is on North Korea.
So I just point blank, you know, say, well, is there something, somebody that's guiding what's-his-name in North Korea?
And he'll say yes, and I go, are there reptoids involved there?
And he said yes.
So just like Syria and ISIS, You have the reptoid stirring up trouble with the North Korea guy, so...
So it could get hairy.
dan friesen
It could get hairy, because the reptoids are fiddling around.
jordan holmes
I love it when you say something crazy, but then you use a normal colloquialism, like, oh, the reptoids are stirring up trouble.
Like, wait, no, they should be doing something more than a down-home backcountry euphorism.
dan friesen
Oh, these meddling reptoids.
jordan holmes
Oh, man.
Oh, these reptoids are getting in it again.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
They got their hand caught in the cookie jar.
I apologize.
dan friesen
That's as good a theory as any I've heard, I think, for international trouble.
But, I mean, this follows what we talked about on the last Project Camelot episode about all these world sort of issues like...
Iraq, the Vietnam War, they were about Stargates.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
And there are places where humans can jump into alien world and aliens can come here, and that's where shit gets messy.
So I don't have clips of it, but part of the...
The premise is that all the times that we end up bombing places, it's because these bombs end up shutting Stargates.
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
So, you've said to bomb because humans are trying to jump through, and that's against, like, treaties or something like that.
jordan holmes
Of course, of course.
dan friesen
So, yeah, that's what's going on.
jordan holmes
Human-reptoid treaties, yes, naturally.
dan friesen
Yes.
jordan holmes
I imagine if she asked Mark any question that involved, are the reptoids involved?
Mark would be like, oh yeah, totally.
dan friesen
You betcha.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
I think I got less than blue book value for this used car.
Reptoids.
Damn it!
I know it's the Reptoids!
dan friesen
My sources tell me the Reptoids have been getting into used car dealerships.
jordan holmes
What does it take for me to get you in the...
dan friesen
today?
One of the things we're going to have to distinguish.
Throughout this, is that there are two groups that are being discussed that are very similar in name.
jordan holmes
But they are different groups.
dan friesen
Yes, and they're actually at war with each other.
jordan holmes
Okay, the reptoids and the reptilians?
dan friesen
No, the reptilians is an umbrella term.
jordan holmes
We're going to need to diagram this out, aren't we?
dan friesen
We are, yeah.
Dry erase board, activate it.
So you've got the reptoids, and then you have the raptors.
unidentified
And the raptors are good.
dan friesen
The raptors.
jordan holmes
So the raptors are good.
The reptoids are bad.
Let me ask you a question.
Have one of the raptors fallen madly in love with one of the reptoids?
Will they be dance fighting?
dan friesen
It has to have happened.
jordan holmes
Will they be dance fighting?
dan friesen
Undoubtedly.
I don't know about that, but I can tell you...
joanne richards
I can't even do this without laughing.
jordan holmes
I'm so happy.
I'm so happy right now, Dan.
dan friesen
I can't even set up a clip without laughing.
Okay.
Whatever star-crossed lover scenario may or may not exist.
jordan holmes
Will Shakespeare.
dan friesen
I can tell you that the Raptors are engaged in creating entertainment.
jordan holmes
Alright, here we go.
She was born in SoCal, basically.
joanne richards
Just know I'm a really good military wife, but there's a lot of things that he does or knows that I don't know, and a lot of that is because he can't tell me and is to keep me safe.
You know, I know he knows, because he's the one that tells me, well, they funded such and such movies.
Like, okay.
And actually, you know, when I went and saw Jurassic World, for example, I loved that movie.
But if you look at the credits, I mean, a lot of it is Malaysian or whatever, but if you look very carefully at some of the credits, there are some weird names that are kind of human names, and they're not really Malaysian names, but it's...
You can just tell a raptor has tried to, you know, come up with a human name.
unidentified
Because it's kind of a funny name.
joanne richards
But it's not a Malaysian name.
It's like, oh, look at that!
That must be one of your friends.
I don't really know how he knows what the raptors might or might not be up to, but, you know.
It's not for me to know, apparently.
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
The Raptors were behind Jurassic World.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
They fund a lot of movies.
jordan holmes
They fund a lot of movies.
dan friesen
One of them being a movie with Raptors in it.
jordan holmes
Well, it's pro-Raptor propaganda.
dan friesen
Oh, that's true.
They are pretty friendly.
jordan holmes
Yeah, they're good in Jurassic World.
There we go.
There we go.
Now I believe everything she says.
dan friesen
But her reasoning is there's silly names in the credits that are clearly a raptor trying to guess a human name.
jordan holmes
Yeah, of course.
Dan, I don't see how that does not make perfect sense to you.
dan friesen
That's bewilderingly racist.
That's so crazy.
I do mean this.
Joanne seems like a sweet lady.
She seems fine.
But, like, she's a 50-year-old, maybe.
Old white lady.
unidentified
Of course.
jordan holmes
Yeah, there is no doubt about that in my mind.
dan friesen
Who lived for a lot of her life in the Bay Area of California, up north.
jordan holmes
No shortage of fun things to believe out there.
dan friesen
Yeah, but also she doesn't know about what is or is not a different culture's name.
She doesn't know all the naming traditions.
jordan holmes
Well, that's why she asks Mark.
dan friesen
And he's like, yep, raptors.
jordan holmes
Raptors.
dan friesen
Definitely raptors.
jordan holmes
That's a fun racism, though.
She doesn't get how incredibly racist that is and how insensitive and stupid it is.
But at the same time, it's better than thinking that all other names are dumb.
It's more like, oh, silly raptors.
dan friesen
Isn't that cute?
jordan holmes
The raptors are trying to make human names.
dan friesen
They think they're pulling one on us.
jordan holmes
Wait, lady, do you mean any name that isn't a white person's name?
Is that basically what she's saying?
dan friesen
Well, she said that you could see some in their Malaysian names, but some of them, too silly.
It's crazy.
jordan holmes
That's such a complex Venn diagram of knowing what a Malaysian name is and at the same time thinking a raptor made it up.
Fantastic.
dan friesen
So Carrie is not a great interviewer.
We know this.
She just agrees with everything.
Yes.
But at this point in the interview, she does come up with at least a question.
And she does ask if she's ever seen a raptor.
jordan holmes
That's a good question.
It seems like question number one, but I'm just glad she got that.
dan friesen
Yeah, yeah.
kerry cassidy
So, in terms of the interaction with the raptors, have you ever seen a raptor?
Because he talks about they're going to be on tour here in this Jurassic...
I don't know if it's called Jurassic World or what it's called.
joanne richards
It's T-Rex World.
kerry cassidy
Oh, yeah.
joanne richards
And I don't know if they're actively hiding themselves among...
The models or whatever.
But there are certainly raptors in that show.
And then I think they were involved with a couple of years back.
They were in another big production.
And it might have been like walking dinosaurs or whatever.
But I went and saw it.
It used to be called the Arco Arena up in Sacramento.
I don't know if it's still called that.
But it was cool.
Going through history, the dinosaur history through the ages, and it was fascinating, but I kept thinking that there would actually be some raptors in the raptor suits, but I think they might have been nearby.
dan friesen
So I want to pause there for a second.
jordan holmes
Wait, wait, wait.
She thought there would be raptors within raptor suits.
dan friesen
Yes, yes.
They're walking with the dinosaurs.
unidentified
So the raptors are...
jordan holmes
Hiding in plain sight.
unidentified
Yes.
jordan holmes
By dressing up as raptors.
Yes!
Because nothing...
You would never suspect a dressed-up raptor to have a raptor inside of it.
unidentified
Never.
Never.
jordan holmes
But she says this like she knew there weren't any there.
And she's like, wait, well, they're probably nearby.
dan friesen
You know what I love?
jordan holmes
Because they want to be close to their people?
dan friesen
Fake versions of their people?
jordan holmes
Yeah, what's going on there?
dan friesen
Here's what I love.
I love the visual that this gives me that is Joanne going to walking with the dinosaurs and seeing a raptor suit and giving it a knowing nod.
I know you can't move and show all your cards, but I see you.
jordan holmes
See, I have the visual of a raptor trying to put on a raptor suit.
dan friesen
That would be tough.
jordan holmes
That would be so hard.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
I would admit.
dan friesen
Let me be clear, too.
They do discuss it.
We're not misrepresenting what raptors are.
unidentified
Okay.
dan friesen
They are like velociraptors.
jordan holmes
They are the raptors that you and I are thinking of.
Okay, good.
dan friesen
But maybe a tiny bit smaller.
jordan holmes
So do they use their little hands to zip it up?
dan friesen
Yes, and some of them get surgeries so they can speak like humans.
jordan holmes
Okay, well that's good.
dan friesen
That's important.
jordan holmes
That's good.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Well, then you'd think they would be better at...
Picking human names, then.
dan friesen
Also, when Walking with the Dinosaurs came around, like, when it was big a few years back, I was working at Groupon at the time, and we ran a Groupon for it, and the sales rep that worked out that deal got them to come to our office.
jordan holmes
Oh, that's cool.
dan friesen
It was pretty cool, but at the same time, I mean, it was fucking terrifying.
jordan holmes
Did you see a raptor?
dan friesen
I might have.
No, I didn't.
I saw a bunch of people manipulating a puppet, like, outside of the suit.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
They weren't inside it.
jordan holmes
Were they?
Now this...
I'm just spitballing here, Dave.
dan friesen
I'm listening.
jordan holmes
Were they raptors in human suits?
dan friesen
Well, see, that could be possible because they do discuss at a certain point that some of the elite raptors don't have tails.
unidentified
But...
dan friesen
I don't care.
jordan holmes
That makes perfect.
That makes enough sense.
unidentified
I don't care.
jordan holmes
That makes enough sense.
Why?
Why not?
dan friesen
Let's get back to this clip.
jordan holmes
Why not?
dan friesen
Let's get back to this clip because she has some more...
Joanne...
jordan holmes
Oh, raptors in raptor suits.
dan friesen
Joanna still has more thoughts about seeing raptors and the possibility of such a thing.
joanne richards
I couldn't tell that they were actually in the actor's suits that day, but I think they were probably hanging out nearby.
So you just never know.
We're in Jurassic World in some of the running scenes and stuff.
Again, we have these treaties where there's not supposed to be open communication with civilians, so they really try not to be seen by people.
They do like to go to big conferences or big, like, Comic-Con and science type of conferences where a lot of people are in costumes.
And a lot of different aliens do that.
They'll either wear a hooded outfit.
jordan holmes
A lot of different aliens?
There's a lot of aliens now.
joanne richards
And they're tall, they just look like they fit in.
jordan holmes
This is Men in Black.
She's just describing the plot of Men in Black.
joanne richards
And people think their costume is fabulous.
dan friesen
We can translate that also as, I don't understand cosplay.
unidentified
No!
dan friesen
So yeah, you can go to Comic-Con and often you'll just see aliens who want to hang out.
jordan holmes
And it's just like they're in a great costume.
dan friesen
Right.
That's an amazing raptor costume.
jordan holmes
It's definitely not that somebody spent painstaking hours crafting it as a labor of love that they're not really getting much for, except some of them have turned it into a gig.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
But, come on.
It's totally an alien.
dan friesen
Yeah, it's probably an alien.
jordan holmes
Totally an alien.
dan friesen
But that's because of the treaties.
jordan holmes
Our technology has not advanced to the point where we can dress like that.
dan friesen
No, we don't have paint.
jordan holmes
Only aliens can do that.
dan friesen
Totally.
jordan holmes
And even the paint that we do have?
Harshly controlled by aliens because of the treaties.
dan friesen
Absolutely.
jordan holmes
The first thing you negotiate with aliens is a trade deal.
dan friesen
These treaties, by the way...
unidentified
I learned that from The Phantom Menace.
dan friesen
These treaties are never dug into at all.
We don't get any real information about what went on in these treaties, what the stipulations were.
It's just, we got treaties.
jordan holmes
That's my favorite part.
All of these treaties factors so heavily into all discussions about...
Aliens from, like, the Project Camelot stuff that I've heard.
dan friesen
Well, you know why?
jordan holmes
Treaties are super important.
dan friesen
I can explain that to you.
Any fantasy world requires rules.
unidentified
That's true.
dan friesen
Because there have to be rules in order to explain the really big stuff that you can't explain.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
Like, why aren't raptors just talking to everybody?
jordan holmes
Oh, there's treaties.
dan friesen
It's the same thing with, like, when you're trying...
As I understand, I've never actually played Dungeons& Dragons.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
But in order to create the...
Fantasy scenario, you need that dungeon master making the rules of what is the reality of the campaign you're on.
And basically, that's what Project Camelot does.
jordan holmes
I want to play D&D with Project Camelot so bad.
dan friesen
But they're pretending it's real.
jordan holmes
Can we play a D&D game where we pick characters from...
Project Camelot and roleplay as them?
dan friesen
100%.
I want to be that super soldier who was on the last episode.
jordan holmes
Oh shit, I get to be Joanne Richardson.
dan friesen
You can be Carrie.
jordan holmes
No, my special skill is I'll ask my husband Mark and he'll be like, raptors.
But it's a plus two raptor binding?
dan friesen
You can be Carrie.
jordan holmes
I put a raptor suit on.
dan friesen
Carrie would have plus three charisma.
jordan holmes
Oh, that's definitely true.
dan friesen
And she's a mage.
jordan holmes
She does perform lesser magic.
That is true.
dan friesen
So, this next clip, Carrie, again, not a great interviewer, but brings up a very interesting question based on a conversation that she's had with Mark.
She has talked to him a bit, and we'll get to that in the future.
kerry cassidy
Okay.
dan friesen
But she had a conversation with him, got a piece of information, wants to run it by Joanne.
See what she has to say about it.
And it could get...
This is the kind of question that could be awkward as shit, but somehow ends up being kind of delightful.
kerry cassidy
Okay, this is kind of a strange question, but Mark married a...
Well, he told me that he was married to a Pleiadian woman and that he had two kids at least.
joanne richards
Okay, number one.
I and another Californian are the only ones that he's been married to, but he has lots of partners.
He's had lots of partners.
I know about one Nordic, and she was from the Aryan race.
So if there's a Pleiadian...
kerry cassidy
I'm going to have to ask you.
No, no, maybe he meant Nordic.
Maybe I just remembered it as Pleiadian, so don't quote me.
joanne richards
What?
jordan holmes
Those don't sound alike.
joanne richards
It took him a while to tell me about all the women and all the children.
kerry cassidy
Okay.
joanne richards
But there was a Nordic princess who he does have a child with, yes.
kerry cassidy
Okay, and the child is here on Earth?
joanne richards
Oh, no.
Out in their empire.
kerry cassidy
I see.
dan friesen
So, Mark is an intergalactic swinger.
unidentified
How many women and how many children does Mark have?
dan friesen
It's indeterminate at this point.
He has tons of kids out there with different alien races.
He's like Captain Kirk, to some extent.
Just going out there, putting his dick in all sorts of aliens.
jordan holmes
Well, and you know what?
Mark may not necessarily be lying to her, you know, because...
California doesn't recognize Pleiadian marriages.
dan friesen
It's true.
jordan holmes
Hey, we just got gay marriage, man.
I think we got a long ways to go before intraspecies alien marriage happens.
dan friesen
I want to, before we unpack how stupid it is that he claims he has a kid with a Pleiadian or Nordic princess.
jordan holmes
A Nordic princess.
Off world.
dan friesen
The reason that...
jordan holmes
She's in one of their...
dan friesen
It's out in their empire somewhere.
jordan holmes
Out in their empire, yeah.
dan friesen
So the reason that Carrie Cassidy can get confused between Pleiadian and Nordic and Aryan is because those are sort of humanoid, light, elemental alien species.
Because there's like the reptilian umbrella, and then there is this sort of Nordic umbrella, and the Pleiadians are on that side of things.
Like, they're all humanoid.
They would look like humans, whereas raptors look like raptors.
Yeah.
unidentified
Or there's the gray aliens.
dan friesen
Of course there's the gray aliens.
jordan holmes
We don't even need to discuss the gray aliens.
Everybody knows that.
dan friesen
We learned that they're mercenaries.
Kerry does explain that they will just work for whoever the highest bidder is in World War II.
jordan holmes
Oh, yeah.
How did the gray aliens factor into World War II?
dan friesen
In World War II, they sided with the Reptoids, who were, of course...
jordan holmes
Okay, well, the Reptoids are the bad guys, so they're on the axis of evil.
dan friesen
Yes, absolutely.
They were working with Germany, Italy, and Japan.
Right.
Whereas the Pleiadians and Raptors were on our side.
unidentified
Of course.
dan friesen
All of human history has really actually just been a battle between different alien races.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Which is a good way to avoid the pain of realizing that humans hurt other humans.
jordan holmes
Yeah, right?
That's the beautiful thing in this, is it's always, humans as a whole are always the good guy.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
But we're manipulated by alien races, or our power is controlled by alien races.
All of this, it's really all framed as a struggle of all of us together.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
As opposed to discovering that, no, true evil exists and it looks like you and me.
dan friesen
Yes.
jordan holmes
It does not look like...
A raptor.
unidentified
No.
dan friesen
So, I love, first of all, that Joanne is totally cool with Mark just throwing it around.
jordan holmes
Yeah, he's got kids.
He's got hoes in fucking...
Star codes?
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
I don't know.
dan friesen
But I mean, at the same time, she opened up her introduction by saying, I've married a few guys, ran around, linked to life.
joanne richards
Right.
dan friesen
You know, you get to a certain age, and jealousy is pointless to have anymore.
Who gives a shit?
So I like that.
jordan holmes
And she doesn't have to raise the Pleiadian kid.
dan friesen
No, it was in another star system.
jordan holmes
Yeah, absolutely.
dan friesen
So, in this next clip, Joanne expresses what her vision for her future is.
Because Carrie asks if Mark has ever expressed what he thinks the future holds for them or whatever.
And she's like, well, actually, here's what I think the future should be.
joanne richards
You know, my vision, and I'm very open about it, it's like my vision is for us to have some, and I found the ideal property, even though I didn't go visit it, but I found the ideal property online and in pictures when I was in Norfolk.
England last fall.
It's like this beautiful old, like a Wardian house on five and a half acres.
Lots of fields, like overlooking fields.
It's got a horse paddock.
It's got a separate cottage.
You know, it's got plenty of room to land things on and grow vegetables.
Land?
I want a place where all his alien friends can come visit.
All the grandchildren can come visit.
And everybody just has a grand time, and we're just left alone to teach and communicate and live happily ever after with our alien friends.
jordan holmes
God, I want to make fun of it, but that's so wide-eyed and innocent and beautiful.
dan friesen
It is kind of.
jordan holmes
I just love it.
Who among us does not want a place large enough for our grandchildren to come visit and interminger with our alien friends and we can all just laugh and teach and grow together?
dan friesen
And she has a garden plan, too.
Well, yeah.
Of course, you can grow some crops.
jordan holmes
It's great.
It's an Edwardian home.
You gotta grow some crops.
dan friesen
Again.
jordan holmes
And there's enough space for people to land.
dan friesen
There's an undercurrent of foolishness, but at the same time, there's overwhelming sweetness.
jordan holmes
Oh, yeah.
dan friesen
Much like me drinking this Faygo.
Sweetness and foolishness mixed all into one.
So this next clip, Joanne discusses, I want to say pedigree, but really she discusses the lineage that Mark comes from.
jordan holmes
Gotcha.
joanne richards
Lineage on his father's side.
They're from Germany.
They're Rhineland in Germany.
Hold up.
German princes.
That's a real thing there still.
So he's like fourth generation away from being a German prince.
On his father's mom's side, some very prominent British families.
I know he's from the Stuart lines, from a Peacock line.
On his mom's side, there's definitely very special Celtic bloodlines.
unidentified
Does he have any non-special shit going on?
joanne richards
I'm hoping it's Rhode Island, if I'm remembering correctly.
And, you know, like, his grandparents were both involved with think tanks and Nikola Tesla and local politics, and Grandpa Taylor on his mom's side was one of Teddy Roosevelt's Rough Riders, and he was one of the original, like, Secret Service men and black type people.
jordan holmes
Sure, sure, of course, of course.
joanne richards
And just powerful.
Special living.
There isn't a bad bloodline.
Anywhere in Mark.
You know, I think his mom kept telling me, and we're also related to Pocahontas.
I mean, Mark's done all the genealogy, and he likes to say, back to God.
But he's done his genealogy way, way back.
So his dad's side of the family is the House of Massa and the House of Orange.
So that's tied to current world families, like in the Netherlands and stuff.
And I'm not sure why his dad's called the Dutchman, unless it's for that reason.
dan friesen
Just a little bit of fun trivia.
Mark's dad is called the Dutchman.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
That's what they all call him.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
And whenever he comes up, they talk about the Dutchman.
Like, I love that he has a codename.
He's supposedly, like, uh...
He apparently went along on the expedition with Admiral Byrd.
jordan holmes
Of course.
Of course he did.
Of course he did.
dan friesen
Are you aware of Admiral Byrd?
jordan holmes
No, I'm not, but I know he went on the expedition.
I don't even need to know who...
I don't even know...
Don't even finish the sentence, I know the Dutchman was there.
dan friesen
The Dutchman was in play!
jordan holmes
There's only one thing I know, and that is Forrest Gump is based entirely on the Dutchman.
dan friesen
Well, I mean, there's only two Dutchmen in the world.
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
Mark's dad and Rick Smits.
The dunking Dutchman.
Back to the time when I knew basketball.
jordan holmes
I got it, I got it.
dan friesen
So, if you don't know, Admiral Byrd was a gentleman who...
May or may not have discovered that the Earth is hollow.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
So he flew over the pole.
jordan holmes
Oh, no!
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah!
jordan holmes
I remember that guy now!
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Absolutely!
dan friesen
So people who believe in hollow Earth really subscribe to the School of Admiral Byrd.
jordan holmes
Well, you can count up at least one president among them.
John Quincy Adams, my friend.
He was a big hollow Earther.
dan friesen
Probably two now.
jordan holmes
That's a good point.
That's a good point.
dan friesen
So, yeah, I think you hit the nail right on the head.
I mean, this is a man lying about his family's history.
But isn't it fun that it kind of sounds like Alex a little bit?
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
I'm related to the Tudors.
jordan holmes
Confederate royalty.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
It's such the...
Anytime somebody tells you about their past lives, it's always like...
Oh, in my past life, I was Cleopatra.
And I was like, no, dude, if we're even going to entertain past lives and all that shit, your past lives were mostly people who died at 20 of dysentery.
Like, that's what your past lives are.
So, own it.
You know, if you want to believe in past lives, that's fine, but most of your past lives shat themselves to death.
dan friesen
He was related to Pocahontas.
jordan holmes
Of course he was related to Pocahontas!
dan friesen
And then in his present day, he has a kid with a Nordic alien princess.
jordan holmes
Right, and he's only the fourth generation away from being a German prince.
dan friesen
Because that's real still.
jordan holmes
Part of the Stuarts.
dan friesen
Yes.
jordan holmes
John Stewart Mill.
John Stewart.
dan friesen
Involved with Tesla.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Yep.
jordan holmes
And local politics.
dan friesen
That's a weird sentence.
jordan holmes
I like that that was the one that closed the sentence.
That was the one where we needed the Oxford comma really badly.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Nikola Tesla and local politics.
unidentified
Who's involved with Tesla's short stint in local politics?
jordan holmes
Tesla, Oxford comma, and local politics.
dan friesen
So, in this next clip, we get back to Jurassic World a little bit, and Joanne talks a little bit more about some raptor shit.
jordan holmes
Right.
joanne richards
Let me share the latest thing I gave a talk on, which was a lot of fun, was Mark, when he was still in high school, he went to England and was part of raptor military training.
They had a whole training facility at Bamberg Castle they were using at the time, and he was part of their whole...
He and other humans, Including Dean Martin's son.
unidentified
Why is Dean Martin's son there?
What could Dean Martin's son possibly have to do with Raptors?
joanne richards
They had to do a little battle out there.
It was delightful because, again, it talked about what the Raptor military is like.
What is it like?
Talking more about the Raptors and how in the scene in Jurassic World, which I love, there's the guy on the motorcycle racing along with the Raptors.
Mark is that guy.
I have the leather jacket.
He did race his motorcycles with the Raptors when they were running and training and stuff.
It's kind of funny how the movie parallels my suite.
So that's a lot of fun.
unidentified
You could call it funny or you could call it suspicious.
jordan holmes
Joanne.
Joanne.
I'm at the point now where I halfway believe that Mark isn't even real.
Oh, he's real.
For anyone to believe that Much bullshit.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
At no point in time questioning.
Why is she giving talks?
And to whom is she talking to?
dan friesen
She goes to UFO conventions and stuff like that.
She goes around to these places.
Probably MUFON.
They discussed them on the last episode.
jordan holmes
She's just better at telling Mark's lies to people than Mark is.
dan friesen
Perhaps.
jordan holmes
Mark is really good at telling lies to her.
unidentified
Certainly.
jordan holmes
Because she believes all that shit anyways.
dan friesen
Yep.
jordan holmes
She can then fill in the blanks.
And she's sweet.
Yeah, she is sweet.
dan friesen
She's very sweet.
But her proof...
jordan holmes
I want to sit down with her and advise her to leave Mark.
dan friesen
I don't think you'd be able to.
jordan holmes
I don't think so either.
dan friesen
They courted for five years.
jordan holmes
If Marcus got her believing that he went to Raptor Army training camp while he was still in high school.
dan friesen
In England.
jordan holmes
With Dean Martin's son.
With Dean Martin's son.
Which sounds just...
That sounds like so many lies have just gotten so far out of control.
Marcus just...
Marcus is throwing everything in there.
dan friesen
It's just a mad lib.
Who was there?
unidentified
Where were you?
dan friesen
What were you doing?
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
So, but her proof that all of it...
jordan holmes
Like Della Sol's production, he is throwing everything in the kitchen sink in there.
unidentified
Yes.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
But her proof is that she has the leather jacket.
jordan holmes
Yeah, well, that's obvious.
dan friesen
Which obviously proves that he drove motorcycles with raptors.
jordan holmes
Proof.
dan friesen
But a little bit later...
jordan holmes
You remember in Contact at the end, whenever they were like, ah, it's not real, but then there was 24 hours of fuzz?
unidentified
Mm-hmm.
jordan holmes
That proves that Jodie Foster saw an alien.
dan friesen
Sure.
A little bit later...
They open it up.
jordan holmes
She also could have brought back a leather jacket, and that also would have been the same proof.
dan friesen
Perfect proof.
jordan holmes
Perfect proof.
dan friesen
So you might have heard typing there during it.
It's because Carrie is also on the live chat.
There are people...
jordan holmes
She's doing that simultaneously?
dan friesen
Yeah, she's doing the interview while people are asking questions and stuff.
It's good.
It's like engagement.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
And so a little bit later, towards the end...
jordan holmes
What you're saying is she doesn't have a big staff.
dan friesen
She has no staff.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
I think she has one other dude who may or may not be her husband.
I have no idea.
jordan holmes
And it's also Mark.
dan friesen
A little bit later, you do hear him yell stuff from off camera.
jordan holmes
Okay, okay.
dan friesen
But towards the end of this interview...
jordan holmes
The reptoids are coming!
dan friesen
No, she forgets the name, Stephen Hawking's name.
Spoiler alert.
Get ready for that.
jordan holmes
Do you know why?
He doesn't factor into this too much.
dan friesen
No, not really.
jordan holmes
Not quite like raptors do.
dan friesen
No.
Raptors are real.
jordan holmes
He is fake.
Smartest human in the world?
Nah.
Nah.
Raptors?
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Bingo.
So they open it up to the chat and they take some questions and someone asks, why isn't there any proof?
And their response...
jordan holmes
And they get fucking murderously angry, right?
unidentified
No.
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
They get, um...
How would I describe it?
They're flummoxed by why...
Why would someone ask that?
Which is bizarre.
jordan holmes
They're less angry and more confused.
dan friesen
Yeah, here's that.
kerry cassidy
One here wants to know, uh...
joanne richards
It's...
kerry cassidy
It's a hard question for me to believe they're asking, but nonetheless, why isn't there any hard proof?
joanne richards
Of what?
kerry cassidy
Of the, you know, alien visitation to Earth, I guess is what they're trying to say.
joanne richards
Well, if you could get into the Vatican archives, there's plenty of proof.
kerry cassidy
That's true.
dan friesen
Great.
jordan holmes
That is true.
joanne richards
Great.
unidentified
That's true.
dan friesen
So all you gotta do is break into the Vatican.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
But that's how all this stuff works, is like the, you know, the canard.
jordan holmes
Vatican National Treasure 3. That's what we're writing right now.
Nicolas Cage, get on it!
We'll play you with the raptor!
dan friesen
Oh, that'd be great.
I know he wants to star in a movie with a raptor.
jordan holmes
I know he wants to be a raptor.
dan friesen
Sure.
He has to splice his genes with raptor genes in order to break into the secret archives of the Vatican.
jordan holmes
Chimeras, now we're back at Alex Jones.
dan friesen
Absolutely.
There it is.
This is what they do.
The game, along with creating rules for your fictional reality, the proof is in the one place you will never be able to get to.
That's how it always has to work.
jordan holmes
Oh, of course.
dan friesen
And it almost always is with these conspiracy theories.
It's in the Vatican somewhere.
jordan holmes
Oh, yeah.
dan friesen
They have all of it.
All of the stuff was in the Library of Alexandria, but then the Masons or the...
Sure.
Who was it back then?
The Visigoths?
jordan holmes
Which one was it?
No, no, no.
The Library of Alexandria, that would have been...
Actually, no, that was taken down by four different waves of people.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
And really, it just went broke.
It's a fascinating story.
The Library of Alexandria was just a bureaucratic nightmare.
That's really the only issue there.
So people had to keep shrinking it down.
Nobody wanted to pay for it.
Yes, it was looted a bunch of different times.
Why?
dan friesen
Because of financial pressures caused by the Reptoids.
jordan holmes
Oh, shit!
dan friesen
Yep.
I was thinking of the Knights Templar.
jordan holmes
Oh, yeah, that's a great one.
dan friesen
The whole legend is all that stuff got taken from the Library of Alexandria by the Knights Templar.
jordan holmes
Yeah, but they're like 900.
A.D. kind of thing.
Who cares?
Library of Alexandria is way back when.
dan friesen
I'm talking about nonsense.
jordan holmes
That's not the point.
The point is, if we're going to have rules...
dan friesen
We don't have any rules.
unidentified
Okay, good point.
dan friesen
So this is the last clip of Joanne's interview.
And in this, she talks...
jordan holmes
What's up?
It's so mind-boggling.
I just love their...
This is a hard question to ask.
Why isn't there any hard proof?
And you're like, why is that a hard question for you to ask?
dan friesen
Well, I love that Joanne's response was, long pause, and then, of what?
jordan holmes
Yeah, exactly!
dan friesen
Seems like it's pretty obvious.
jordan holmes
It seems like it didn't occur to them.
It never occurred to them that you should require some sort of hard proof.
dan friesen
Well, Carrie, after that, goes on to say a bunch of stuff about...
Because everything is hard proof.
Pumapunku and, like, ancient sites and stuff like that.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
Do you want to coo?
jordan holmes
Oh, absolutely.
dan friesen
But, I mean, it's not proof still.
Or she mentions, like, Zachariah Sitchin.
I'm like, I've read those books.
That ain't proof.
unidentified
No.
dan friesen
But anyway, we get this last clip.
jordan holmes
It's that same thing always.
It's always the point to the thing that you probably haven't read.
And if you have read it, you didn't understand it.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Even though when you read it, you realize it doesn't say any of what they say it does.
dan friesen
No, I mean, Zachariah Sitchin's books definitely say what they think it says.
jordan holmes
Oh, yeah, but that's...
dan friesen
It's just a fucking wildly unreliable source.
jordan holmes
But if you went back to Zachariah Sitchin and were like, okay, well, where's the hard proof for you?
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
He'd point you to another book that nobody's read.
dan friesen
By Eric Von Daniken.
jordan holmes
Yeah, and then you'd go read that and you'd talk to him and he'd point you to that.
dan friesen
It becomes circular.
jordan holmes
It's just all the way around.
It's turtles all the way down, my friend.
dan friesen
Indeed.
So here's this...
jordan holmes
It's almost like it shares a lot with religion.
unidentified
Mm-hmm.
dan friesen
Totally.
Yeah.
That's why she has faith.
jordan holmes
Yeah, exactly.
Switch raptors for angels and you fucking figured it out.
dan friesen
Angels do play into this.
jordan holmes
Okay, never mind.
I didn't realize that they weren't.
dan friesen
Jordan, this next clip, which is the last of Joanne's interview, is a Mike Down clip.
unidentified
Okay.
dan friesen
Because I don't want you interrupting this.
jordan holmes
Is she okay?
dan friesen
I don't know.
Maybe.
jordan holmes
I want good things to happen to Joanne.
dan friesen
She seems alright.
jordan holmes
I want good things to happen to her.
dan friesen
So in this clip, she starts by talking a little bit about the Dutchman, and then things get a little weird.
unidentified
Gotcha.
joanne richards
Where while we were publicly at Cold War, when there was a threat to the planet, several countries came together and worked together to save humanity.
And his dad was in charge of that for 30 years until he died.
And he was active behind the scenes probably right up until he died.
kerry cassidy
Do you know why?
He seemed to be a person of note and somebody who had a fair amount of power.
So why is it he was unable to get Mark out of prison?
joanne richards
Mark told me, you know, Mark was off on a mission the day that murder happened.
And that's all he will tell me.
Because I figured that much out, and he can't tell me where he went or who he was with, and those people can't come forward and say, this is what he was with us that day.
And the U.S. government military is not going to say, oh, he was working for us that day, because then they would have to say what top secret thing they were working on.
And his dad point blank told him, you're not going to break your oath.
This is not a direct quote, but it's like basically you're not going to break your military oath and tell the top secret thing you were doing even if it means that would save your life or keep you out of prison.
It's like you know what your duty is and your duty is to keep quiet.
kerry cassidy
Okay.
joanne richards
Because they also thought that the lawyer they had working on at the time was a really good lawyer.
He was a well-known lawyer.
Because he can say, oh, we're doing okay.
We're doing okay.
No, we don't need to object to that.
And so he didn't present a very good defense.
And he kind of had the family going along thinking, oh, they're doing okay.
He's going to get them off and whatever.
And he didn't.
But, yeah.
And, again, we don't know if this was all set up from the very beginning or if it just turned into a very convenient way to get Mark out of their hair.
dan friesen
So, Jordan, you were freaking out.
jordan holmes
What did Mark do?
Mark killed a guy!
Mark killed somebody!
Mark 100% killed somebody!
Now it's time.
Now I'm starting to think that this whole thing is just created by the entire family in order to avoid dealing with the fact that their son is a murderer.
dan friesen
No, the family is not.
I'm not on board with any of this.
jordan holmes
Oh, okay.
dan friesen
But what about the Dutchman?
He died before Joanne met Mark.
jordan holmes
Gotcha.
dan friesen
So now we should probably talk about who Mark Richards is.
jordan holmes
Mark Richards is a murderer, number one.
dan friesen
Are you familiar with the...
jordan holmes
Your Honor, this was the reason they were mad at the lawyer.
They were like, you're not objecting?
He was off-planet, idiot.
Of course that witness didn't see him.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
Gotcha.
dan friesen
Are you familiar with the Pendragon murder plot?
jordan holmes
I am familiar with any number of them.
I didn't know any of them were real.
dan friesen
This is a very famous murder from 1982 in Marin County, California.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
This was a situation where Mark Richards was a, he ran like a construction type crew or something along those lines.
I'm not entirely sure of all the details.
But he had two employees, two 17-year-old employees.
He was 19 at the time, or 29 at the time.
jordan holmes
Okay, I was going to say that's a very different dynamic.
dan friesen
And he was scrapped for cash, and this guy, his name is, excuse me, Richard Baldwin.
He was a guy who ran like a car dealership of sorts.
jordan holmes
Reptoid.
dan friesen
He apparently owed Mark some money.
And so Mark...
jordan holmes
In needing money?
dan friesen
One of these 17-year-olds to murder him.
unidentified
That...
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
He promised the 17-year-old that he would pay him $5,000 and give him a car.
And then the kid murdered him.
And immediately started bragging about it and talking about it.
And they all got arrested.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And it's very clear that Mark is very guilty of this.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And what the Pendragon part of it comes from.
After they arrested Mark, they searched his house, and they found that he had a plan to take over Marin County.
I don't want to go super in detail about this, because...
jordan holmes
I have never wanted you to do anything else more.
dan friesen
Well, I would recommend everyone go listen to an episode of The Dollop, because they covered this in detail on an episode of The Dollop.
jordan holmes
No shit!
dan friesen
Yes.
jordan holmes
This is that guy!
dan friesen
Yes.
jordan holmes
And she is this guy's wife!
dan friesen
Yes.
jordan holmes
So this is all, this is still the thing!
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Alright.
dan friesen
So if you go and listen to the dollop, I'll give you a brief version of just the facts of the case.
They found plans for creating lasers that would keep Marin County safe after they had destroyed the Golden Gate Bridge and another bridge so they could isolate Marin County and turn it into a kingdom.
Where Mark Richards would be basically King Arthur.
unidentified
Yes.
dan friesen
And have his own dominion.
He had tricked these kids into sort of going along with him to the point where he was able to pay one of them to murder a guy.
And, I mean, they did steal a bunch of shit from him.
They stole, like, a huge bag of weed, a bunch of money, and a safe from him after they murdered him.
And they found that.
I'm like, oh, well.
Well, yeah, you gotta take that.
It was a sloppy fucking murder.
Of course.
He has, clearly, a history.
jordan holmes
Look, you're not in your prime at 17. That's not prime murdering years, man.
dan friesen
No.
jordan holmes
You gotta wait until you're in your early 30s.
dan friesen
29 is decent murder planning years, though, you would think.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right, right.
Yeah.
dan friesen
But I guess it was 1982.
There weren't as many TV shows.
jordan holmes
Oh, you could just walk onto a plane back then.
It was crazy.
Nobody knew anything back then about murder.
dan friesen
Also, you should know that Mark encourages people not to take planes because the Reptoids can take them down too easily.
jordan holmes
Of course.
Absolutely.
dan friesen
Don't take commercial planes.
jordan holmes
9-11.
Never forget Reptoids.
dan friesen
So, Mark is doing a bid for murder.
unidentified
He has life without parole.
jordan holmes
So, Mark is still in jail?
dan friesen
Yes.
jordan holmes
God, I love this!
dan friesen
The whole time...
jordan holmes
I love this!
So, this whole time, Mark is in jail!
That's why Joanne is giving talks!
Because Mark is in jail!
Forever!
Forever and ever and ever!
dan friesen
It was so hard to not tip my hand on that.
Why are they talking to the wife?
Because he's in the joint.
And more interesting to look at, too, is the entire time Joanne's known him, he's been in prison for murder.
jordan holmes
Oh, okay.
Oh, so she's one of those.
unidentified
Yes.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
All the five years they were courting and the 14 years that they've been married has been the entire time he's been in prison.
jordan holmes
Gotcha.
dan friesen
Yep.
Boy, this is fun.
jordan holmes
She has found the perfect man for her.
That is, hey, that is great.
dan friesen
It's pretty amazing.
jordan holmes
She would hate him if he were out.
dan friesen
I would really...
You know what I wish?
I wish copyright stuff wasn't real so I could just drop in the entire episode of The Dollop here.
I really recommend everyone go listen to it because I don't want to go through exhaustive details.
They do such a fucking good job of it.
But suffice it to say...
jordan holmes
Dave Anthony is great.
dan friesen
Yeah, but suffice it to say Mark Richards is a murderer and a con man by trade.
He conned these kids and now he's pulling a con on his wife.
jordan holmes
Yeah, but this is a benign...
I think so long as she never actually meets him, so long as he's never living with her, she's doing great.
dan friesen
She visits him in prison all the time.
jordan holmes
Yeah, but that's fine.
That's fine.
dan friesen
I guess.
jordan holmes
Because he's under control.
It's totally cool to be married to a psychopathic murderer as long as they're not allowed out.
dan friesen
I guess so.
jordan holmes
You can get your emotional needs met.
She clearly is.
She's getting a lot of her needs met.
dan friesen
She's been given an avenue where she can retreat into a fantasy life.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Because clearly something was wrong with her life before.
jordan holmes
And she's doing fine now.
dan friesen
No offense to her.
I feel an immense amount of empathy for her.
But her life had to have been a disaster in the early 90s whenever she decided to shack up with him in prison.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
She's running from something and she's found it in Raptors.
jordan holmes
Perfect.
She seems like she's doing great.
She seems like she's doing fine.
She is 100% happier than I am.
That's a guarantee.
I guarantee that she lives a happier day-to-day existence than I ever will.
dan friesen
And she makes a decent amount of coin going around telling his stories.
unidentified
Yeah!
jordan holmes
That sounds great!
dan friesen
She seems into it, and she has this fantasy in her head of, you know, that castle in London or England, wherever.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
With alien friends coming to visit and shit.
jordan holmes
Mark is not allowed out of the country, so good luck, Mark.
dan friesen
So beyond that, in that last clip, you heard, like, he wasn't even there when the murder happened.
He was.
jordan holmes
He was definitely there.
dan friesen
He was, for sure.
jordan holmes
He was not off-planet.
dan friesen
But the...
jordan holmes
I love how Ginger Carrie is with that.
She's like, So, if, you know, the Dutchman was basically the leader of the entire world's defense for 30 years.
dan friesen
When we were pretending there was a Cold War.
jordan holmes
He was the most important man on the planet.
Why couldn't he get Mark off?
Because you gotta do your duty.
You gotta do your duty and not tell the truth.
dan friesen
You can't, you know, expose things before it's time to expose them.
jordan holmes
Oh, of course not.
dan friesen
It's not time for disclosure of off-world missions and shit like that.
jordan holmes
Frankly, Mark is making a heroic sacrifice.
dan friesen
Absolutely.
jordan holmes
He is not.
The engineer of the worst murder ever committed.
dan friesen
It's not the worst.
jordan holmes
It's one of the worst.
dan friesen
It's a bad one.
Oh, it's sloppy.
jordan holmes
Yes, yeah, that's what I mean.
Not the worst.
There are so many way worse ones.
dan friesen
I thought you meant grizzly.
It's bad.
It started with a baseball bat and ended with a screwdriver, so it's a bad murder.
jordan holmes
That's not good.
dan friesen
But, yeah, they tried to dispose of the body really terribly, too.
jordan holmes
Oh, of course they did.
dan friesen
Anyway, who cares?
They threw it in the bay.
jordan holmes
Well, that'll do it.
dan friesen
And it did not sink.
jordan holmes
Problem solved, Dan.
unidentified
Excuse me.
jordan holmes
Excuse me.
It's in the water.
No one will ever know.
dan friesen
International waters.
jordan holmes
No one will ever know.
Taxation is a crime, and if it's in the water, it's like home base.
You can't get caught.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So, this is not where the episode ends.
Our episode, that is.
jordan holmes
All right.
dan friesen
Because you should know that Carrie Callahan, Cassidy.
jordan holmes
Yeah, we're never going to not get that right.
dan friesen
Carrie Cassidy has gone to interview Mark in prison.
jordan holmes
No!
dan friesen
Six times.
unidentified
No!
jordan holmes
Dad!
Okay.
All right.
I'm in.
I'm in.
I'm way in.
Do we get to hear some of this?
dan friesen
Oh, yeah.
jordan holmes
If he's this good of a comment, I expect to believe in raptors by the end of this episode.
dan friesen
Well, here's the twist.
jordan holmes
I don't know anything about raptors.
And you know a lot about raptors.
dan friesen
That's the smoothest that's been.
So whenever Carrie Cassidy goes.
jordan holmes
As long as we retreat into a fantasy world, that bit works every time.
dan friesen
So whenever Carrie goes to visit.
Because he's a murderer, and he's under supervision and has decreased privileges in prison, she can't audio tape him.
They won't let her record him.
So all she can do is take notes.
They allow her to have a pencil, but not a pen, which she brings up every time in every one of these interviews.
jordan holmes
Of course she does.
dan friesen
They let us have a pencil, and that is a victory.
She and Joanne go visit him in prison and have these conversations.
She takes notes and then makes a video where she reports on the notes.
jordan holmes
Excellent.
dan friesen
So we have a video here of her reporting.
jordan holmes
Now I want to go talk to Mark.
dan friesen
I don't think you do.
jordan holmes
I think I do.
dan friesen
I gotta do, too.
jordan holmes
I wanna go ask him about raptors.
Fuck!
Look, everybody can murder.
Not everybody can make up a story about raptors versus reptoids versus gray aliens versus the ethereal Nordics and also having multiple children off-planet.
dan friesen
Sure.
And it gets wilder, too.
And I understand Joanne's motivation for believing hook, line, and sinker everything this con man is telling her.
jordan holmes
Because he's a good con man.
dan friesen
I don't understand why Carrie isn't a little bit more dubious.
I don't understand why...
jordan holmes
You're talking to the most credulous person in the history of the world.
dan friesen
But at the same time...
jordan holmes
You are asking Carrie Cassidy to walk into a conversation with skepticism.
Dan, I don't know if that is possible for her.
dan friesen
I am asking her to realize that this guy is a murderer who's lying to people.
And just be...
If you want to, if you want to believe the things he's saying, Wrestle with it.
At least be like, I recognize that his credibility is a little thin.
jordan holmes
On account of the murder.
dan friesen
And lying about everything.
jordan holmes
But he explained away the murder.
He was off-planet.
dan friesen
So you can't go into that.
jordan holmes
If you know he was off-planet, you can't.
dan friesen
Take the fucking murder out of it.
unidentified
He planned to...
dan friesen
A plan to create King Arthur's Court in Marin County by blowing up bridges and getting a laser.
jordan holmes
Planted on him by the Reptoids.
That's a classic Reptoid move!
dan friesen
Well, unfortunately...
jordan holmes
With my limited knowledge of Reptoids, admittedly.
dan friesen
Classic.
Classic Reptoid.
jordan holmes
Classic Reptoid move.
dan friesen
Unfortunately, because they know that everyone else knows, he was...
jordan holmes
I mean, think about it, right?
Sun Tzu...
That's not really a name.
unidentified
No.
jordan holmes
That's a raptor trying to make up a human name.
dan friesen
Dude, you're totally right.
jordan holmes
They wrote The Art of War.
dan friesen
Oh my god.
jordan holmes
The reptiles stole a copy of it.
I don't know why they needed to steal it.
They could have just bought one at the local bookshop.
Anyways, plant evidence on murderers.
dan friesen
Yep.
jordan holmes
That's what you do.
dan friesen
Undoubtedly.
jordan holmes
Reptoids.
dan friesen
See, unfortunately, they never really get into the details of the Pendragon.
jordan holmes
Oh, they don't?
dan friesen
The Pendragon plot.
Because they know if they did, they'd be like, we can't explain a lot of this away.
And it would sound really bad, but I would love to see what they would do.
I'd love to see them dance around like, well, now...
The little bit there with, like, he was off planet when the murder happened.
Yeah.
unidentified
Like, that's fine.
dan friesen
But then, like, trying to get, like, okay, so he had 17-year-olds that he had indoctrinated into his court, King Arthur's court.
Yep.
unidentified
How do you respond to that?
Buh.
Okay, well, they were actually...
jordan holmes
They were synthetic humanoids.
His dad had been appointed to head the Earth Defense League.
And in order to do that, they pretended to have the Cold War.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
Now, his dad deputized two ethereals.
And, of course, they all look like they're 17. They're not actually 17 years old.
That's just their genetic makeup, right?
dan friesen
You may be on to something.
jordan holmes
They're light elementals.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
So they appear like 17-year-olds to us, okay?
Now, one of them, yes, one of them did kill the other guy.
dan friesen
But it was a reptoid.
jordan holmes
He was compromised by a reptile.
Okay, okay.
Alexander Dugan got him.
dan friesen
Okay.
jordan holmes
They got some compromise.
dan friesen
Okay, dude, let's just get into this.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
Let's just jump into this.
jordan holmes
I'm running out of gas.
I was really hoping you would save that.
dan friesen
So I've spent maybe ten hours of my life that I can't get back listening to Carrie Cassidy explain what happened to her when going to interview Mark Richards in prison.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
I am saving all of you the trouble of listening to all of that bullshit.
And just playing the fun stuff.
Because there's a lot of it that is terrible.
So here, it's all mostly from one of the videos.
Her third trip seems to be the most...
It's the first one.
It's the first time she'd ever met him.
There's a little bit of trust issue.
The second one isn't all that great.
And then the third one, we get some just juicy details.
So here's her introducing what we're going to get into.
kerry cassidy
Hi, I'm Carrie Cassidy from Project Camelot.
I just returned from interviewing Captain Mark Richards of the Secret Space Program.
And this was my third interview with him.
I go to Vacaville, Northern California, and we go to a prison.
I'm accompanied by his wife, Joanne Richards, and it's actually not that fun to go to a prison, as you can appreciate, but at the same time, it's worth it because...
Mark Richards is an amazing man and has really a huge amount of information about the secret space program and what's really going on.
dan friesen
He doesn't and he's not an amazing man, but you are the most gullible person in the world.
jordan holmes
I mean, in a certain sense of the word, Mark Richards is an amazing man.
dan friesen
He amazes.
jordan holmes
He is amazing.
dan friesen
Yeah, at lying to people.
jordan holmes
Oh, there's much to be amazed at.
dan friesen
Yeah.
You know what?
I'm thinking that...
jordan holmes
The problem with that word is it has a positive connotation as opposed to just in a vacuum, the definition.
dan friesen
The thematic motif that connects this to our normal Alex Jones episodes is...
jordan holmes
Horrifying monstrous men lying to women all the time.
dan friesen
Well, yeah, if you ever saw Alex talk to Leanne McAdoo.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Well, yeah, it's just con men.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
It's just con men really hurting people.
Because, like, Carrie Cassidy has dedicated her life to this shit.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
She thinks that Mark Richards is a real whistleblower.
Like, he, along with, I can't remember the fucking dude's name that we went over on the last one, the super soldier guy.
These are big sources of information for her.
unidentified
So she's...
dan friesen
Her...
jordan holmes
Wait, is this her job?
Does she do this for a living?
dan friesen
I think so.
I think she gets donations from people, and that's that.
I mean, if you look at her fucking YouTube channels, they get hella downloads.
Don't look at me like that.
It's crazy.
I mean, it's entertaining on some level, but like I'm telling you, we're listening to the good stuff.
There's hours of boring.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
So, what's not boring is this next clip, Jordan.
Listen to this shit.
unidentified
Nicely done.
dan friesen
Thank you.
You might be asking yourself, how did Mark get around in space?
jordan holmes
That is a really good question!
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Are we talking about some Ender's Game?
dan friesen
I can't answer this question.
jordan holmes
The enemy's gate is down?
What's going on here?
dan friesen
I can't answer that question, but Carrie can.
kerry cassidy
He flew an artificially intelligent, biologically intelligent, not sure how you frame that, spaceship called Minerva.
And he was one of the few people, if not the only person, who could fly that spaceship.
She comes from another solar system altogether.
unidentified
She would have to.
kerry cassidy
And she considers herself to be a biological creation the way we are.
dan friesen
Cute.
kerry cassidy
Although, I guess, in essence, she is what you might call artificially intelligent.
dan friesen
That's what I would call her.
So I want to put this coda on that clip.
I don't have the audio of this, but in the Joanne interview, it's out of context, so it wouldn't have made sense if I played it back then.
But she asks if she has ever met Minerva.
jordan holmes
That's a good question as well.
dan friesen
And Joanne's response breaks my heart.
Because it's this, oh no, I haven't, but I'd love to meet the sweet thing.
jordan holmes
Of course.
dan friesen
And it's just so sad.
It's so sad she has an emotional bond with this imaginary artificial intelligence spaceship that her lying murderer husband told her about.
unidentified
And he's the only one who can fly it.
dan friesen
Update on the fifth trip that she goes and visits Mark.
It turns out they learn that a couple other people have been able to fly her.
jordan holmes
I was going to say, she said he may be the only one, if not.
dan friesen
At that point, at the time of this recording, he was the only one.
jordan holmes
He's the only one.
dan friesen
But then, in the future, we learn that a couple other people have mastered Minerva.
jordan holmes
The artificial biological intelligence spaceship from another solar system.
dan friesen
And it's an acronym that no one knows what it means.
jordan holmes
I assume they just chose it based on...
Minerva is a goddess of wisdom, right?
dan friesen
Yeah, but also it's an acronym, and they don't know what it stands for.
jordan holmes
Minerva?
dan friesen
I'm guessing V is vehicle.
jordan holmes
Near every racial vehicle.
dan friesen
You spelled that way wrong.
jordan holmes
M-I-N-E-R-V-A.
dan friesen
You said near every?
jordan holmes
N-E.
dan friesen
M-I.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Minerva.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I know.
Minerva.
M stands for Minerva.
dan friesen
Oh, pardon me.
jordan holmes
See, there you go.
unidentified
Okay.
jordan holmes
Of course M stands for Minerva in the acronym spelling Minerva.
unidentified
Okay.
jordan holmes
This makes perfect sense.
dan friesen
All right.
jordan holmes
Mark Richards would back me up on this one.
dan friesen
V is definitely vehicle.
That's all I know.
jordan holmes
What goes after vehicle in an acronym?
dan friesen
Got nothing.
jordan holmes
Yeah, right?
dan friesen
I didn't make up this lie.
Don't fucking ask me.
There is a really funny moment where someone asks what Minerva stands for and Joanne is like...
I'll ask him.
I don't know.
jordan holmes
I bet Minerva is really nice, though.
dan friesen
I bet is a sweetheart.
jordan holmes
Although, if she was really nice, why is it that Mark is the only one able to fly her?
dan friesen
Because they had such a bond.
It's like a horse.
jordan holmes
Oh, it's an emotional bond kind of situation.
dan friesen
I'm guessing.
jordan holmes
We're going to go with some literal avatar.
You put your braid together with the ship.
dan friesen
A thousand percent.
Gotcha.
So in this next clip, we get into an issue that I didn't know.
jordan holmes
Does he have a kid with Minerva?
That's the next question I want to ask.
dan friesen
Jury is out.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
Don't know.
jordan holmes
All right.
dan friesen
This next clip gets into an issue I didn't know was an issue.
But it turns out it is.
jordan holmes
All right.
dan friesen
And it relates to our world more than we ever knew.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
This is interesting stuff here.
kerry cassidy
Now, I also talked to him, asked him about the Falklands War and the Black Goo, which had been...
Discovered there by the Marconi scientists, and there are at least 25 of them which died in very mysterious ways surrounding that story.
And I've done a number of live stream interviews with other people, including investigators such as David Griffin, on this subject.
Now, Mark did acknowledge the black goo, and I have had other witness behind-the-scenes testimony.
Talking about it being artificially intelligent.
It is also what the Gulf oil spill was all about as well.
And what they're really combating is this black goo.
dan friesen
Oil spills are actually artificially intelligent black goo.
jordan holmes
Now, she did not say all oil spills.
dan friesen
Well, that one.
jordan holmes
That one in particular.
dan friesen
I would assume some of the other ones also.
jordan holmes
Well, I mean...
You could really assume that anything that looks black and is goo, they probably assume it's that.
kerry cassidy
Tar?
jordan holmes
Yeah, exactly.
Why do you think we get lung cancer?
dan friesen
Totally.
It's artificially intelligent cigarettes.
unidentified
Black goo.
Yeah.
jordan holmes
That's what it is.
dan friesen
That's good stuff.
That's just good stuff.
I also think that's X-Files.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
I think that's the X-Files.
I haven't watched the X-Files in a really long time, but there was that alien guy, there would be black goo.
Like, there would be that black liquid that would get into people, like, go into their eyes and shit.
This is X-Files.
jordan holmes
Well, I mean, you could also go with, what, the symbiote from Spider-Man?
You could do that.
You could do Venom.
dan friesen
There's all kinds of, A, predictive programming, man.
jordan holmes
Right.
Well, there's a very...
dan friesen
Lesser magic.
jordan holmes
There's the well-known Grey Goo thought experiment, which is...
What happens if we develop artificially intelligent nanobots?
dan friesen
Oh, yeah.
jordan holmes
If they can self-replicate, eventually they'll use everything to replicate, and then we'll all just turn into some sort of gray goo.
Right.
So, that could be what they're afraid of.
The black goo is like a...
We're going to need DJ Danger Mouse to get the black goo and the white goo together and make the gray goo.
This is how it works.
No?
Not gonna happen.
dan friesen
No, sir.
jordan holmes
Not giving me the black album and the white album, huh?
dan friesen
No, but what I am gonna give you is more facts about raptors.
jordan holmes
Please do.
dan friesen
Here comes some more raptor shit.
This one is also about how they fund movies.
kerry cassidy
Now, obviously, movies, TV, and the lies in the news are contributing to this overall sort of mass amnesia and a fear-based paradigm.
jordan holmes
Makes sense!
kerry cassidy
Then he also wanted to remind me, as he said in the prior interview, that raptors are funding movies and television.
There's this latest dinosaur traveling event, which is called...
unidentified
What's it called?
I don't know.
kerry cassidy
Walking with Dinosaurs.
He also talked about the recent traveling show called Walking with Dinosaurs.
That's this event in which small dinosaurs like raptors I thought they were going to get laid.
jordan holmes
Turns out they weren't real raptors.
kerry cassidy
But they look very real, and therefore people aren't able to tell the difference.
So it's just something they like to do, something they consider fun.
dan friesen
They do consider it fun, and why wouldn't they?
I want to say that I saw one of these dinosaurs walking with the dinosaurs up close, and it looks real when it's moving towards you fast, because they're too big.
It's uncomfortable because it's something that looks like it's lumbering at you, but if you look at it motionless, it doesn't look like a...
It doesn't look like...
If I saw a raptor alien next to one, it would be very clear.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
No matter how still that raptor could stand, it would be so fucking clear.
jordan holmes
Now, here's just a really...
dan friesen
This is nonsense.
jordan holmes
Really easy question.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Really easy question.
Feathers?
dan friesen
No.
jordan holmes
Well, then it's bullshit.
dan friesen
Not really.
Science is out.
jordan holmes
Not out.
dan friesen
Science is out.
jordan holmes
Not out.
Feathers.
They all had feathers.
dan friesen
What you need to know is there is some credence to this idea that the raptors are funding movies.
unidentified
Okay.
jordan holmes
Alright.
dan friesen
Because in another interview that Carrie does with...
jordan holmes
Are you sure it isn't Soros?
dan friesen
Yes, it is.
Well, it might be a metaphor.
jordan holmes
Okay.
Alright.
dan friesen
But there's another interview that she does with Mark where he talks about how the banks get tons of raptor money.
They get $300 million.
jordan holmes
Is this a Pez dispenser?
Are we getting back to Jews again?
Why do people do this?
What is wrong with people?
dan friesen
This is one of the most poorly disguised...
jordan holmes
What is happening?
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Mark hates Jews!
Well, he's in prison.
Of course he hates Jews.
He has to.
dan friesen
I think that Mark has some issues.
But they aren't, like...
This isn't as...
Pezzy is a lot of other things that we've discussed.
jordan holmes
Oh, do you mean a shadowy group controlling film and TV?
dan friesen
Well, I mean, there are parallels.
jordan holmes
Yeah, there could be.
Could be some Pez dispensing going on.
dan friesen
And the idea that these aliens are funneling money into the banks and controlling everything behind the scenes.
And we'll get into actually even a little bit more why it's a little troubling that Carrie Cassidy doesn't see any of these trends in the things that he's talking about.
But be that as it may, let's get to the next clip where we learn even more about these here Raptors.
This clip is great.
kerry cassidy
He said his father was his role model and his father has passed on.
The driving leader, a Raptor, met with Ellis Richards, the Dutchman, at Hamilton Air Force Base, August 1952.
And they, at that time, were very impressed with his honorable qualities as a military leader.
dan friesen
Hell yeah.
kerry cassidy
He said that the Raptors rent castles in the United Kingdom.
dan friesen
Don't buy them.
kerry cassidy
office there negotiates with them, that they choose ones that are in out-of-the-way places like Scotland and or heavily guarded.
Do they sign the least?
He said that even the guards don't see them.
They often don't know who they're guarding.
They may form a perimeter on the outside.
He said the raptors have a sorcery, he called it, that can basically cloud the human mind and make them forget what they've seen.
They do not like to go interdimensional.
He said they're very much here in this dimension because I was very curious whether they, since there aren't that many sightings of raptors, You know, whether they went interdimensional.
But apparently not so much.
He said Earth is the home planet of the raptors.
65 million years ago, they left Earth during a cataclysm to colonize space using stolen technology from another ET race.
He said they didn't totally understand the tech they were using.
They spent a very long time being caught on the inner ring of the galactic center, Sagittarius A. And in fact, just recently, the physicist, what was his name?
unidentified
Stephen Hawking.
kerry cassidy
Oh yeah.
dan friesen
There it is.
kerry cassidy
The physicist, just recently, the physicist Stephen Hawking talked about there being an inner ring to the galactic center.
And he said they actually stayed with a ship poised on that ring for quite some time.
In other words, possibly even thousands.
of years our time, and finally figured out they needed to voyage further their home world.
They selected a home world in Canada.
The Draco constellation, and it is now called Dragon World.
jordan holmes
Of course.
Bit on the nose, raptors!
kerry cassidy
We have not found that planet yet.
dan friesen
Oh, we have.
jordan holmes
Dragon World!
In the Draco system, because the raptors must have saw that and been like...
Oh, duh!
They got their galactic map out.
They saw Draco's system and they're like, where else are we going to go?
dan friesen
Well, that's where the reptilians are from.
They're from the Draco.
They're like draconian aliens.
unidentified
The reptoids?
jordan holmes
But the raptors are from here.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
Okay, so if I understand the timeline correctly.
dan friesen
They're not fully related.
The reptilians and the reptoids aren't fully related.
jordan holmes
Right.
If I understand the raptors' timeline correctly.
dan friesen
Earth.
jordan holmes
All right.
65 million years ago.
dan friesen
Earth.
jordan holmes
Chilling out on Earth.
unidentified
Yes.
jordan holmes
They see...
They see...
dan friesen
Spaceships.
jordan holmes
A catastrophe coming.
dan friesen
Right.
Oh shit, look up there.
jordan holmes
Yeah, check out.
So, they steal technology from another extraterrestrial, from a different, from the, at the time, only extraterrestrial race.
dan friesen
Because at this point, the raptors are terrestrial.
They're not extraterrestrial.
jordan holmes
No, they're just raptors.
They're just hanging out.
Yeah.
So, they steal that technology.
unidentified
Gotcha.
jordan holmes
Which they don't necessarily know how to use.
unidentified
Nope.
jordan holmes
But they get off planet.
dan friesen
Yes.
jordan holmes
Now, they get off planet and they're just tooling around.
Having themselves a day.
Then they get caught in the intergalactic ring where they're stranded possibly even for thousands of years our time.
dan friesen
Which brings into the question food.
jordan holmes
Not important.
They ate each other's feathers.
dan friesen
Science is out.
All right.
jordan holmes
Hold on.
dan friesen
I'm hearing what you're saying.
unidentified
I'm hearing what you're saying, but I don't see a question coming.
jordan holmes
This just establishes that the timeline only has roughly a few thousand years accounted for as opposed to the 65 million years.
dan friesen
Oh, because they found Dragon World.
jordan holmes
Oh, relativistic travel.
dan friesen
But they also found Dragon World.
jordan holmes
Okay.
So they found Dragon World.
dan friesen
They lived on Dragon World and evolved.
jordan holmes
And then they come back here just out of nostalgia?
dan friesen
Well, they do get into it a little bit.
It's a fun vacation spot.
jordan holmes
It is.
Well, that I believe.
dan friesen
They like the commerce here.
unidentified
Of course.
dan friesen
They like humans.
jordan holmes
Love movies.
dan friesen
Also, there is, you know, of course you've got to go to your home.
It's like fish swimming upstream to spawn.
jordan holmes
Right.
No, that makes sense.
dan friesen
So there's that element of it.
And then the other one, there was a decent explanation.
I mean, it wasn't, but...
unidentified
How the fuck did that come out of my mouth?
There was a decent explanation.
jordan holmes
I believe the bar has been set low enough for decent to mean very little.
dan friesen
There was something offered as to why they came back here.
Oh, it has to do with...
jordan holmes
Could it be to warn us?
dan friesen
The climate's good.
For now.
jordan holmes
Poor raptors.
You guys didn't even know what we could fuck up.
dan friesen
The climate is temperate and mining is good.
Because if you try and mine on an asteroid, there's no gravity.
And so since Earth has gravity, it's much easier to mine for stuff.
We get into the need for gold and shit like that all over again.
jordan holmes
Now we get back into...
Like, I love it when things get so imaginative and fun, and then they bring it back to something dumb that brings it all back into reality, and then you have to go like, well, that's fucking stupid.
dan friesen
Yeah, they bring it to the...
jordan holmes
Oh, did they travel...
Untold thousands of light years for gold?
That makes perfect sense.
dan friesen
From Dragon World.
There was no gold on Dragon World.
jordan holmes
Who the fuck cares?
dan friesen
Everyone knows that.
jordan holmes
If there was no gold on Dragon World, they would have developed their own fucking economic system wherein gold wouldn't have been the basis for it.
They would be using something else.
They wouldn't still be randomly coveting race memories of gold.
dan friesen
Well, gold wasn't a financial thing back when Raptors ran around on Earth.
That we know of.
Right, fair.
jordan holmes
How else did they get the ET technology?
dan friesen
Well, the thing that you're not taking into account is that I have read the Zachariah Sitchin books.
And one of the things that he talks about Oh, okay.
They needed some sort of like aerosolized gold that would protect their, uh, the hole that was coming, In their stratosphere.
jordan holmes
Okay, so we're getting into Independence Day.
They're coming for our resources kind of thing?
dan friesen
Because they need to fix their planet.
That's generally what alien mining comes down to.
But then also there is the idea that they like to eat people.
jordan holmes
I mean, that's cool.
dan friesen
Carrie and Joanne do discuss how, look, the raptors are cool.
unidentified
They're cool.
dan friesen
But if one of them's mad, they might eat a kid.
jordan holmes
That is...
Look.
They're raptors.
You're people.
You know, I think you're cool.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
But you'd probably eat a chicken.
dan friesen
I think...
jordan holmes
So a raptor?
To other raptors, he's a super cool dude, but sometimes raptors eat people.
It's just a regular thing.
dan friesen
Honestly...
jordan holmes
We're all part of the food chain, Dan.
Turns out raptors, I mean, space-traveling super-raptors.
They're higher up on the food chain than us.
dan friesen
Maybe this is an indication that I've done too much therapy in my life, but when I hear it being relayed from Mark that raptors are cool, but if they're frustrated, they might eat a kid, I'm hearing him trying to confess to murder.
jordan holmes
That's a great point.
dan friesen
I hear it.
I hear it, and it's him trying to be like, I'm not a bad guy, but in a bad position, I killed a kid.
jordan holmes
But something happened, and yes, there was a death.
dan friesen
And the kid part of it is probably projecting that he destroyed the life of these 17-year-olds.
jordan holmes
Oh, absolutely.
dan friesen
So there's probably some sort of really weird, nascent guilt that he's feeling that he can only express through raptors and their nature.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And what have you.
jordan holmes
Oh, that would be an interesting thing.
If you have him write...
An actual sci-fi novel?
dan friesen
Which he may have.
unidentified
I'm not sure.
jordan holmes
Would it just basically be the retelling of how he murdered that guy?
dan friesen
It would just be like, if I did it.
unidentified
Yeah, exactly.
jordan holmes
It would be exactly that.
dan friesen
But with raptors.
jordan holmes
But with raptors.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
If raptors did it, here's how they would have killed Nicole Brown Simpson.
dan friesen
So here we're done with raptors for the time being, but we get a little bit into reptoids in this next clip.
Good.
And I should tell you that this third interview was recorded.
Like in 2014.
jordan holmes
I was going to say, that was because you were talking about the traveling dinosaur show and that would have been a while back.
dan friesen
Yeah, and she's gone, like I said, she's gone six times.
This is the third installment of her travels to this prison.
And it's relevant because of some hot button issue that comes up that was big in 2014 that we've largely forgotten about now.
unidentified
I think it's possible.
kerry cassidy
That the Japanese royalty as well as the royal bloodlines are also possibly related to those particular reptoids.
Now, the raptors say there is a serious agenda, apparently, according to Mark.
He believes that Ebola is all about eradicating a large number of reptoid species.
And just to clarify, the reptoids and the raptors are at war with each other.
So that's part of why the raptors have aligned themselves with us.
They also looked in the future, and this is on my prior interview.
The princess looked into the future of her race and saw that if the raptors align themselves with humans, they have a very positive future.
If they don't, their future is less positive.
So at this time, they are honoring their treaties, and they are basically siding and working with our military.
dan friesen
A couple important things.
The raptors are precognitive, which is interesting.
That's a nice wrinkle to this.
jordan holmes
Of course they are.
dan friesen
And then also, if you didn't catch that, what she was saying is that Ebola is designed to take out reptoids.
jordan holmes
Oh, so if you know somebody who died from Ebola, you know now that they were actually reptoids the entire time.
dan friesen
In 2014, the crisis was largely in West Africa.
jordan holmes
And the Japanese royalty is reptoids.
dan friesen
Yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
They come from a reptoid bloodline.
dan friesen
None of this makes sense.
unidentified
No.
dan friesen
Because Ebola didn't go to Japan.
jordan holmes
But it's vaguely racist.
unidentified
It is.
dan friesen
Because, you know why?
jordan holmes
It's racist in a way that makes me go like, I can't quite pin down how this is really bad, but I can feel the racism coming from you.
dan friesen
Because there's a binary to it.
There's reptoids bad, raptors good.
jordan holmes
Except, of course, for star-crossed lover situations, which have to have happened.
dan friesen
Absolutely.
Oh, of course.
This precognitive raptor princess probably banged around with a reptoid.
jordan holmes
Oh, of course.
dan friesen
There's no doubt.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
She grew up in SoCal, basically.
dan friesen
Basically.
Basically.
So this next clip, we get into some more world history, looked at through the prism of reptoids and raptors.
kerry cassidy
He said that Hiroshima and Nagasaki were blown up because of a huge reptoid base underneath those cities, and that is crucial information.
And I don't believe it has ever been out in any other form on the internet.
dan friesen
Wonder why.
kerry cassidy
He said that the Japanese believe their royal bloodline comes from the stars, and he says it is related to the reptoids.
He doesn't believe the reptoids are directly involved in the U.S. military.
And I would sort of put a caveat here, because he has been out of the loop for 30 years.
unidentified
He does get information.
He still has contacts in the military, et cetera.
kerry cassidy
But I also will say that...
He's only secretly dead.
Back channel information will come from what we know of as white hats.
I believe that the U.S. military is infiltrated by reptiles at this point.
jordan holmes
What, with carrier pigeon?
dan friesen
Yeah, I guess so.
But, like, I mean, here we go.
I like at least that she's pushing back a little bit.
jordan holmes
Oh, yeah.
dan friesen
Her version is still nuts, but at least it's like, now based on what I know, the Reptoids are in our government.
So, I mean, you've been in prison for all this time.
You don't fucking know.
jordan holmes
It is fun that she, even in this weird fantasy world, she has a more pessimistic, like, look, this fucking naive hero.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
He doesn't even know that reptoids have infiltrated the highest levels of our military.
dan friesen
If only.
unidentified
If only.
jordan holmes
We need more men like him and the Dutchman to get these reptoids out of our military.
dan friesen
Totally.
Like Mike Flynn.
That's what he was doing.
He was trying to get the reptoids out.
jordan holmes
Trying to get the reptoids out.
dan friesen
So the other thing is, if you want to look at it just through the prism of Marx's eyes, America does not have reptoids in it.
Japan does.
And West Africa.
West Africa.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Which is weird.
jordan holmes
It's very strange.
dan friesen
Very weird.
jordan holmes
Who are the globalists?
dan friesen
I mean, globalists don't really come up in Carrie's world.
jordan holmes
Right, but, okay.
So, if we're gonna put this...
If we're gonna switch...
Okay, if we're just gonna take one fantasy world and move it into our own fantasy world that we play in a lot more.
dan friesen
Right.
The globalists are working with the Reptoids.
Or the Reptoids are possessing the globalists.
unidentified
Okay.
dan friesen
Or something like that.
Alex does talk about demonic possession a lot.
jordan holmes
But the raptors control entertainment.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
Now, here's my feeling.
The Raptors are the globalists.
Interesting.
They're tricking all of us.
Look, if Mark Richards is friends with the Raptors, we know they're bad.
dan friesen
They're terrible.
jordan holmes
We know this is bad.
Mark Richards is an anti-reptoid propagandist, and everything he says they're doing to us is what...
The raptors are doing to us.
dan friesen
So the reptoids are the good guys.
jordan holmes
The reptoids are the good guys!
dan friesen
Oh, shit.
jordan holmes
Oh, yeah.
This is what happens when you conflate the left with the raptors.
dan friesen
I'll tell you what I'm going to do.
jordan holmes
These lefty, trendy raptors.
dan friesen
There he is, Alt-Raptors.
unidentified
Ha ha ha ha ha ha.
Ha ha ha ha.
jordan holmes
Come on, Mike Cernovich isn't a real name.
That's a raptor name.
It's a raptor trying to come up with a human name.
Yeah, exactly.
dan friesen
I'm going to punt on the raptor-reptoid dichotomy, and I'm just going to side with the Pleiadians.
That's what I'm going to do.
They seem pretty cool.
jordan holmes
The Ethereals, gotcha.
dan friesen
So now we're going to get into a couple of clips that are so fucking hilarious.
These next two clips are like, I have to assume, They are Mark testing the waters and seeing what Carrie will believe.
jordan holmes
Seeing how far he can go?
dan friesen
I have to assume, because these two are fucking weird.
jordan holmes
Mark must be having the greatest time.
dan friesen
He has to be.
jordan holmes
As a con man, he's never had it easier, right?
dan friesen
You've got to be so bored in prison.
jordan holmes
He's got to be so bored, and then this...
A wide-eyed lunatic comes up to him and he just gets to say whatever he wants?
dan friesen
And she has a platform of millions of people who watch these videos.
Beautiful.
And we're talking about him.
Oh, of course.
Just listen to this shit.
kerry cassidy
He said a lot of reverse engineering is handled by corporations, not controlled by Congress, and that he was involved in tracking ETs and possibly securing them similar to Torchwood.
And information related to what Tony Dodd, our Camelot witness, who came forward talking about Torchwood and the truth of those agents that are going around arresting and picking up ETs that are walking among us.
He also talked about the TSA scanners and said the dogs that are supposed to be smelling for drugs are actually...
They're looking for ETs.
They're not looking for drugs.
And so contrary to what people think, and the TSA scanners are actually used to determine whether you're human.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
That's what it's about.
jordan holmes
That makes sense.
dan friesen
Sure.
Well, that one checks out.
jordan holmes
Why else would you have to raise your hands?
Dan, you have to raise your hands over your head.
Raptors can't do that, Dan!
dan friesen
You don't know if reptoids can.
jordan holmes
Oh, that's a good point.
dan friesen
But anyway, that one, alright, fine.
If you want that one to be okay, it checks out.
jordan holmes
But again, why would the Reptoids want to do that?
They've infiltrated the TSA.
dan friesen
That's fair.
jordan holmes
They're going for the Raptors.
dan friesen
Fine.
You're going to give that one a pass.
Here's this next one.
kerry cassidy
Androids.
There are many androids that are a risk.
We have a risk of them replacing those in power.
jordan holmes
Androids.
Let's get into it.
kerry cassidy
He acknowledged that risk.
He said the joint ship.
Chiefs are checked weekly and give up what he called biological material to verify that they are still human.
He said that there are also androids in the Congress and that certain members maybe have been transitioned into androids or replaced by androids, however you want to put that.
dan friesen
So yeah, the Joint Chiefs of Staff have to get tested weekly.
jordan holmes
The Joint Chiefs of Staff.
Can't be androids.
unidentified
No.
jordan holmes
But if an android is in Congress, everybody's like, okay, well, sooner or later, androids are going to get it.
dan friesen
What are you going to do?
jordan holmes
You win some, you lose some androids.
unidentified
Right.
jordan holmes
What are you going to do?
dan friesen
Totally.
jordan holmes
Can't have them on the Joint Chiefs of Staff, though.
That's just crazy.
dan friesen
I mean, buried in there is that we've developed android tests.
jordan holmes
But we already knew that.
dan friesen
Yeah, that's old hat.
unidentified
Hey.
dan friesen
Oh, man.
Here's this next clip.
It gets a little pezzy.
It was a little pesky.
jordan holmes
That's what I was worried about.
kerry cassidy
He said, Israel is run by one race of beings and Vatican by another.
The two races are at odds with each other and wish to wrap humans into fighting their battles on the ground.
And he didn't want to name the race that is backing Israel.
He's quite careful about that.
It appears that that race is the Anunnaki.
However, from my interpretation, indications are that this is a Sitchin-Anunnaki race spoken about by Zachariah Sitchin in his books.
dan friesen
Okay.
jordan holmes
So the Anunnaki are bad guys, I'm assuming.
dan friesen
Yeah, sure.
They came and created us as a slave race in order to get gold.
That was what they came for initially.
jordan holmes
So, again, we're in real Pez territory here.
dan friesen
And they run Israel according to Kerry.
That wasn't what Mark said.
Mark wouldn't name the group.
jordan holmes
But it was Clarence Thomas, just to be sure.
dan friesen
Israel and the Vatican are run by competing alien groups that are trying to mix us up in their skirmishes.
That is fucked up.
Just because you're adding aliens to it doesn't mean like...
Who do all the conspiracy theorists pretty much point fingers at?
The Jews and the Catholics.
Those are two massive groups that conspiracy theorists go after.
And the idea that you're just like, ah, well, look, of course you guys are right.
Big picture.
But you're missing the forest for the trees.
unidentified
It's aliens.
dan friesen
It's raptors.
jordan holmes
It's aliens.
It's raptors.
It's the Anunnaki.
You name it.
It's Sitchin.
He got you all covered.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So ridiculous.
So ridiculous.
jordan holmes
I like the idea that she's really just getting Mark into weird political conversations.
Like, imagine you actually believe in raptors, reptoids, the Anunnaki.
dan friesen
This is hard to imagine by trying.
jordan holmes
And all of these people are here simultaneously.
Yes.
All of whom are competing to secretly control everything.
None of whom...
Have at all leaked it to other places in order to discredit the other side.
dan friesen
No.
jordan holmes
These are very bad.
They're bad at what they do.
dan friesen
Much like Mark and Murder.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
So you're like, oh, all of this is amazing.
All of this is true.
Tell me more about space.
Tell me about what you've seen.
Tell me about all this stuff.
No.
I'm going to tell you about Israel.
dan friesen
You have to assume that Mark is kind of guiding the conversation.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I would assume so.
dan friesen
I mean, Kerry clearly feels privileged to be there talking to him.
Yeah.
jordan holmes
He's just got some shit he wants to get out.
dan friesen
Yeah, and you know what else he wants to talk about?
The Malaysian plane.
unidentified
What?
Because, again, this interview took place in 2014.
jordan holmes
Wrap all of them up together.
Wrap them all up together.
dan friesen
We went back and tried to find out what Alex Jones said about the Malaysian plane.
Not a great dig.
We couldn't really find him having too much of a theory on it.
Mark fucking Richards knows exactly what happened, and it's bullshit that the MSM, the mainstream media, won't get off their fucking high horse, their raptor-controlled high horse, and report the truth.
And here's the truth.
jordan holmes
Okay, what's the truth?
kerry cassidy
We also talked about MH Flight 370.
And he said it was pushed into a dimensional shift because four people on board, and one in particular, was building a time-shifting machine that was too accurate, and they had to take them out because they didn't want them to get into the hands of the Chinese, or their work to get in the hands of the Chinese.
unidentified
All right.
The Chinese seem like such a mid-player if we're already on time-shifting technology.
jordan holmes
Also, we gotta put them into a...
We have perfectly functional dimensional shift technology.
But this time-shift technology?
dan friesen
Too good.
Well, but it's too good for humans to possess.
unidentified
Oh, okay.
dan friesen
Because if we could control time, then who knows what the fuck would happen.
Especially if the Chinese could control time.
kerry cassidy
Yeah, why is it?
dan friesen
I don't know.
We can't let it get into the Chinese.
So now we're actually into Alex Jones territory.
jordan holmes
Yeah, exactly.
dan friesen
Scared of the Chinese.
jordan holmes
Yeah, of course.
dan friesen
But beyond that, this clip goes on much further where Carrie explains that this is where Mark tells her never to fly a commercial because that could just get time shifted.
Like you go into another dimension like that.
unidentified
Easy.
dan friesen
They do it all the time.
jordan holmes
Do they?
dan friesen
Apparently.
jordan holmes
I feel like they don't.
dan friesen
I feel like they don't also.
jordan holmes
It was kind of a big deal when the Malaysian plane disappeared.
Like, everybody talked about it for a long time.
dan friesen
For a month!
jordan holmes
For a long time.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
If they're doing it all the time, wouldn't we have been like, Jesus, why do all these planes keep disappearing?
dan friesen
Lost was actually a documentary.
jordan holmes
Oh, was it?
unidentified
Mm-hmm.
jordan holmes
Oh, okay.
dan friesen
Yeah.
The man in black was a reptoid.
jordan holmes
Ah, I knew it.
Or was he a raptor in disguise?
dan friesen
No, that was Jacob.
Jacob was a raptor.
Or no, it'd have to be the other way around.
Unless you actually believe that the message of the show was that Jacob was the bad guy.
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
And that the man in black was actually the one spousing.
I don't fucking care.
Jacob was the good guy.
jordan holmes
Which way have we decided that he's lying to us about the raptors?
dan friesen
Mark or the man in black?
jordan holmes
Frankly, at this point, whichever you feel like answering.
dan friesen
Mark is 100% lying about everything.
jordan holmes
Okay.
So that means that the raptors are bad and the reptoids are good.
dan friesen
No, none of them exist.
jordan holmes
Stop it.
Stop it, Dan.
You're going to hurt Mark's feelings.
dan friesen
That's the part that's the lie.
jordan holmes
I don't want this to get back to poor Joanne and have her hear that these two internet funny men are just ragging on this sweet little woman.
dan friesen
She is very sweet.
jordan holmes
And her...
Murdering husband.
dan friesen
So we've got one more clip here, and in this, Carrie explains a question that Mark did not want to answer.
And it's not, hey, what about that murder?
Which is what I thought it was going to be.
jordan holmes
That's what I would ask right away.
dan friesen
No, it's something actually, it's a little different, and it opens up a weird can of worms.
kerry cassidy
Also, if he doesn't know something, he doesn't seem shy about admitting that.
In some cases, he will say he will go research something and get back to me on it.
jordan holmes
Well, that's good.
kerry cassidy
I like a man who's humble.
There was only one question in particular that he didn't want to answer.
And that particular question was, I had gotten sort of a download, you might say, to be sure and ask him whether or not he was currently going on missions.
And the answer to that question, of all questions, was not forthcoming.
Almost every other question I asked him without fail got an answer.
But that particular one, he did give me a nonverbal answer in which he smiled and sort of nodded and indicated that, yes, he is going on missions.
jordan holmes
I wonder what that was.
kerry cassidy
In other words, out of body.
We did talk about time travel.
We talked about using the macabre or light body in order to do so.
He says human beings are time travelers.
And he seems very familiar with the concept.
So this is something worth noting, and obviously, if he's able to do this, this makes him a prison for 30 years.
Much more livable.
dan friesen
Yeah, if you can time travel and go out of body, being in prison would be no big deal.
jordan holmes
Why would you need to do either of those things?
dan friesen
Well, because you've got to go on missions.
jordan holmes
Yeah, but you work with dimension, interdimensional beings.
dan friesen
Right.
Where do you meet them?
In the dimension where you get out of your body.
unidentified
I mean, yeah, but they could just dimension you in, dimension you out.
jordan holmes
I don't know how their tech works.
If we're just talking about magic, we might as well just say, you don't even need to go out of body.
You can just be out.
dan friesen
Well, you need...
jordan holmes
You could just physically get out.
dan friesen
No, see, because the Reptoids are the ones who disappeared the Malaysian plane, and he's not down with them.
So they could probably...
They're the ones who have the dimension-shifting technology.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
So he wouldn't have access to that.
The Raptors probably don't have that, and they don't like to go interdimensional.
jordan holmes
No, that's true.
The Raptors...
dan friesen
We learned that earlier.
jordan holmes
They can, but they're not big fans of it.
dan friesen
They're not into it.
jordan holmes
No, they prefer, of course, out of body.
dan friesen
And just sorcery.
jordan holmes
And, of course, scrying into the future, I believe.
dan friesen
I imagine you could have an amazing prison break where a bunch of raptors show up and hex all the guards with their sorcery.
jordan holmes
They cloud their minds!
dan friesen
Yeah, exactly.
And then they break Mark out of the joint.
He rides out on a raptor back.
unidentified
These aren't the raptors you're looking for.
dan friesen
What the fuck?
jordan holmes
Oh, God.
dan friesen
Carrie, I love you.
jordan holmes
God love you, Carrie.
dan friesen
That brings us to the end of our raptor investigation.
jordan holmes
What conclusions can we draw?
dan friesen
Well, I have one conclusion.
unidentified
Okay.
dan friesen
And it's something that Carrie says that indicates to me that she knows on some level, whether it's conscious or not, that Mark is a dude who committed murder.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
Here is this drop.
kerry cassidy
But he's also the kind of guy that you don't want to mess with.
Which is very interesting in and of itself.
dan friesen
Yeah, it is.
That's the only true thing, I think, that was said on this episode by any of them.
Wow.
Is not the kind of guy you want to mess with.
jordan holmes
Well, she could just mean that in that he is an interdimensional space warrior.
dan friesen
I wouldn't want to mess with that either.
jordan holmes
I would not.
dan friesen
Or a guy who paid a kid $5,000 in a car to murder somebody with a screwdriver.
jordan holmes
A guy who murdered somebody is somebody I don't want to mess with.
dan friesen
Totally.
jordan holmes
But also interdimensional space warrior.
dan friesen
Sure.
If Raptor's got your back, I don't want to mess.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I don't want to get in there.
dan friesen
I don't want none.
jordan holmes
Frankly, I'm a little scared that we're talking about this at all.
dan friesen
Quite frankly, I agree.
We should run away.
Let's end this.
Look.
jordan holmes
All I'm saying, guys, everybody listen to this, make sure you stay out of arm's reach of a raptor.
dan friesen
It's a very short reach.
jordan holmes
It's very short, but you want to make sure you do it.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So, I mean, raptors are apparently cool.
jordan holmes
Reptoids, not.
dan friesen
No.
jordan holmes
Pleiadians, cool.
dan friesen
Great.
jordan holmes
Gray aliens?
dan friesen
Mercenaries.
jordan holmes
Black goo, bad.
unidentified
Bad.
jordan holmes
All oil.
dan friesen
Also smart.
jordan holmes
Super intelligent.
dan friesen
Minerva?
Smart plane.
jordan holmes
SoCal?
unidentified
Basically.
dan friesen
Basically.
Except it wasn't.
NorCal.
So that might be what the basically was.
jordan holmes
I think that's the real issue.
That's where this all went wrong.
She never even knew where she was born.
dan friesen
If I could leave everyone with one thing to sum up the experience and what we've learned here, it's that when you are watching a TV show, ask yourself...
Did Raptors pay for this?
And if they did...
jordan holmes
Check the credits.
You'll know.
Check the credits.
Why do you think they go by so fast now?
They used to have them, you know, on sitcoms?
Do you remember?
They used to have them...
dan friesen
Preach!
jordan holmes
Yeah, they would have them write on the name.
unidentified
Totally.
jordan holmes
You would announce that it was a...
Name a sitcom.
Family Matters.
dan friesen
Okay.
jordan holmes
You would have the name of the person?
dan friesen
With Reginald Val Johnson.
unidentified
Oh yeah.
dan friesen
That's a fake name.
jordan holmes
Jaleel White.
dan friesen
Fake name.
jordan holmes
Jaleel?
unidentified
Come on.
jordan holmes
That's not a name.
dan friesen
Please.
jordan holmes
Raptor.
dan friesen
Yep.
jordan holmes
Did I do that?
dan friesen
And if you see a name that looks silly for the gaffer or catering or something like that, some joke name, it's not a joke.
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
It's raptors.
jordan holmes
It's a raptor trying to make up a human name.
dan friesen
It's not like some on-set goof that they made a pun name or something like that.
No, it's raptors trying to expose themselves.
jordan holmes
The credits of the yearly Simpsons House of Horrors episodes?
You think those are fake names?
No.
Those are actually their raptor counterparts.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
Every year, raptors take over The Simpsons for one episode.
jordan holmes
For one episode, yep.
unidentified
They write three vignettes.
dan friesen
It's because they like cartoons, but they only want to make kind of scary cartoons.
jordan holmes
Absolutely!
Well, they're not from here.
dan friesen
No.
They don't understand humor.
jordan holmes
Well, they are from here, but they're not from here.
dan friesen
Right.
They spent a lot of time abroad.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Possibly even thousands of years.
dan friesen
Yeah.
unidentified
Well, lost.
dan friesen
Lost in space.
jordan holmes
Our time.
Yeah.
dan friesen
So, again, if you do find these raptor shows, just try and analyze what they're saying.
And if the message doesn't seem human, don't believe it.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
They're trying to get in your brain.
jordan holmes
And if it's Zionist, probably the Anunnaki.
dan friesen
Maybe.
Who knows?
Yeah.
Anyway.
jordan holmes
Jesus.
dan friesen
So, Jordan, it's been fun.
jordan holmes
How is...
I just hate it that somehow racism infiltrates even this bullshit.
unidentified
Yep.
jordan holmes
Like, how can you still be...
How can you believe in raptors and reptoids and still be like, the Jews are hiding something?
Like, you can't do that.
dan friesen
Well, because Mark is crazy.
jordan holmes
You should be on another...
You got a whole other step to go, man.
dan friesen
Because Mark...
jordan holmes
Leave the earth races alone.
dan friesen
Mark was nuts before he went to prison.
unidentified
Yes, that's true.
dan friesen
That's why.
jordan holmes
That's true.
dan friesen
And when you're in prison, I imagine that it's pretty easy for racism to get worse.
I would assume.
I've not done any bids in the joint, but from every documentary I've watched, every Raptor-produced show about life in prison, it seems like there are harsh racial divisions.
So I imagine that that's informing some of his...
Some of his mentality.
jordan holmes
I would guess.
dan friesen
So anyway, like I said, this has been fun, Jordan.
jordan holmes
This has been...
Oh, man.
What a break.
On the way here, I just couldn't get out of my head this thought that my girlfriend had had where, like, what I'm thinking now about how the world is ending is actually the most optimistic scenario.
Because if the world doesn't end...
It's going to be so much worse.
dan friesen
And it's just going to be, it's just going to keep going.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right.
The best possible outcome is that we all just blip out.
dan friesen
No, I think actually the best possible scenario, I don't want to get too deep into this because we're already, you know, we're at two hours or so.
But like, I think the best possible scenario is that unfortunately, it's kind of inevitable that things are going to keep getting worse.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
But then that coiled spring will blow back the other direction and some of these...
Maybe more socialist-type policies, like health care for all.
These sorts of things will happen, and we'll start to see the benefits of them.
jordan holmes
Well, Kamala Harris just came out and supported Medicare for All, which is nice.
She's got a good track record.
I like her.
dan friesen
Yeah, she has a largely good track record.
Every politician's going to have some problems, which is pretty great.
jordan holmes
It's the game.
dan friesen
Yeah.
I think that what you'll see is a massive swing the other direction and super liberal shit will reign.
And I think that the world will see that that's a much better way to go and hopefully we'll stick with that.
But the reality is that will probably breed a super hard right shift immediately after that.
jordan holmes
It's like a seismograph.
The pendulum is out of whack.
dan friesen
We're stuck in now a massive...
It's all extremes.
But the hope...
Is that the pendulum will swing really far to the right and it'll get lodged in the wall.
Or something like that.
You know, that metaphor doesn't really work.
jordan holmes
Not great, but the hope is that we'll finally get rid of the pendulum.
That's the real issue.
It always comes back to the system that enables all of this shit to happen.
And who runs that?
dan friesen
Raptors.
jordan holmes
Ah, it's the Reptoids.
dan friesen
Eh, they're working together.
jordan holmes
Hey man, the oligarchs are Reptoids.
dan friesen
It's all a dialectic.
The raptors blame the reptoids.
The reptoids blame the raptors.
They're working together behind the scenes.
Everyone knows it.
It's in the white papers.
jordan holmes
Anyways, don't donate to the Red Cross.
Donate to local charities in Houston.
The Red Cross will not use your money to help people in Houston.
Please make sure that you are donating to the people who are needing it the most.
dan friesen
Always as directly as possible is the best way to go.
jordan holmes
The Red Cross is a for-profit institution.
dan friesen
Yes, indeed.
And beyond that, not a donation, but go to our website, knowledgefight.com.
unidentified
Yeah!
dan friesen
It's a good, fun time.
There's stuff there.
Who cares?
jordan holmes
Nothing about Raptors yet.
If you'd like to become a policy wonk...
dan friesen
You can.
Just click the support the show button.
jordan holmes
Or if you'd like to become a policy wonk, donate to a local charity for Houston and just send us an email and we will policy wonk the fuck out of you guys.
dan friesen
You'll be a charity wonk.
You get your own status.
jordan holmes
There we go.
dan friesen
There's a lot of statuses flying around.
Eventually I'm going to have to create an Excel doc.
jordan holmes
Yeah, you're getting out of control here.
dan friesen
But be that as it may, also you can follow us on Twitter at knowledge underscore fight.
jordan holmes
If you donate 30,000 raptor coins, you will be a raptor wonk.
dan friesen
Sure, absolutely.
jordan holmes
Absolutely, that's going to happen.
dan friesen
Or if you send me one of those original Jurassic Park play sets, the compound, the command compound, you'll be a raptor wonk.
jordan holmes
I would have made you a T-Rex wonk for that, but apparently...
Apparently Dan doesn't think of you that highly.
dan friesen
The T-Rex toy is unwieldy.
It's too big.
When I was a kid, I never was able to play with it right.
jordan holmes
If you'd like to follow us on Twitter, it's at knowledge underscore fight.
dan friesen
Correct.
And if you want to send me clips of the TV show Dino Riders, I would appreciate that.
I remember that show being pretty fun.
jordan holmes
If you have any scripts from the show Dinosaurs.
dan friesen
Not the mama?
jordan holmes
Not the mama.
dan friesen
Oh boy.
jordan holmes
We are going to need another Timmy though.
dan friesen
If you want to follow us on Facebook.
You can.
It's just Knowledge Fight.
jordan holmes
Go to iTunes, download, subscribe, tell your friends.
We love this show.
Come out to At North Bar.
dan friesen
It's not...
jordan holmes
September 9th.
dan friesen
At 9pm.
It's not hard to remember.
It's 999 in honor of Herman Cain's tax plan.
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
Yep.
jordan holmes
And Mike Pence's greatest fears, and that's numbers that are upside down.
dan friesen
Yeah, it's weird.
Yeah.
But beyond that, thank you all for listening.
This has been a lot of fun.
We'll get back to Alex Jones next week.
I hope you all have a wonderful Labor Day?
jordan holmes
Yeah, probably.
unidentified
It's Labor Day?
jordan holmes
Yeah, Labor Day sounds right.
dan friesen
Labor Day and Memorial Day mixed up.
jordan holmes
Labor Day sounds right.
unidentified
Cool.
jordan holmes
You know who hated the union movement?
Who's that?
That fought and many people died.
Many people died.
dan friesen
Totally.
jordan holmes
For...
This holiday for Labor Day.
We don't memorialize that.
We don't memorialize the fact that a five-day week murdered people.
That in order to fight against the oligarchy, people had to die in order to get living wages, in order to get a living time, in order to get hours that don't fucking kill you.
You know who was against all of that?
dan friesen
I think I know.
jordan holmes
Somebody who can go fuck himself, Dan.
Do you know who can go fuck himself?
dan friesen
John Rafterport?
jordan holmes
Yes!
alex jones
Andy in Kansas, you're on the air.
dan friesen
Thanks for holding.
unidentified
Hello, Alex.
I'm a first-time caller.
I'm a huge fan.
I love your work.
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