Today, Dan tells Jordan all about how Alex Jones responded to the tragic events that took place over the weekend in Charlottesville, VA. Not surprisingly, Alex's take on the whole situation, and who he thinks the bad actors in the whole thing, are not what you might hope, but they're probably what you'd expect. Also, Dan and Jordan accidentally descend into a prolonged debate about guns.
| Speaker | Time | Text |
|---|---|---|
| Andy in Kansas, you're on the air. | ||
| Thanks for holding. | ||
|
unidentified
|
Hi, Alex. | |
| I'm a first-time caller. | ||
| I'm a huge fan. | ||
| I love your work. | ||
| I love you. | ||
| Hey, everybody. | ||
| Welcome back to Knowledge Fight. | ||
| I'm Dan. | ||
| I'm Jordan. | ||
| We are a couple dudes who like to sit around, drink novelty beverages, and talk a little bit about Alex Jones. | ||
| Is there a twist to that, Dan? | ||
| There is a little bit of a twist. | ||
| Dan, we're going to need to get this intro out of the way because I've got a lot of yelling to do. | ||
| I tried to yell over your attempt to start the intro by saying, Welcome back! | ||
| You've been in Iceland for a bit. | ||
| I have been. | ||
| It was wonderful, and I leave for a goddamn week, and you let the nuts... | ||
| Dan, you let the Nazis win! | ||
| That was on me. | ||
| That is entirely your fault. | ||
| You're turning down my voice in your ears. | ||
| I can see that. | ||
| Not my ears. | ||
| On the recording. | ||
| Oh, that's probably a smart idea. | ||
| We had it on Matt Riggs levels. | ||
| Ah, that was a bad idea. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| We're going to tweak that for the screaming. | ||
| Unfortunately, while you were over in Iceland, you did not learn anything about Alex Jones, so at this point, I know a lot about Alex Jones, and you still do not. | ||
| I don't know anything about Alex Jones. | ||
| That's where we find our fun. | ||
| I blissfully avoided the entire United States. | ||
| I can't imagine how great that would feel. | ||
| Oh, it was amazing. | ||
| I stood on top of a glacier and wondered, wondered at a 10 million year old thing. | ||
| And how little and how petty all of our squabbles are. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And then I got home and I wanted to burn down America. | ||
|
unidentified
|
Ah! | |
| That's what happened. | ||
| That's what fucking happened, Dan. | ||
| That fjord was no comfort after that. | ||
| It was no comfort. | ||
| So, but something that is a comfort. | ||
|
unidentified
|
Yes. | |
| Jordan. | ||
| Love your transition. | ||
| Is our new donator. | ||
| Not so much a new donator, but someone who's bumped up their donation. | ||
|
unidentified
|
Oh, shit! | |
| So this is a foreign policy expert, I believe is what we've decided to call him. | ||
| Something along those lines. | ||
| What's up out there, Jason? | ||
| I'm a policy wonk. | ||
| Thank you so much for bumping. | ||
| Jason, thank you very much. | ||
| We appreciate it. | ||
| We need your support, quite frankly. | ||
| Shit's going down. | ||
| Shit's going... | ||
| God damn it. | ||
| So if you'd like to support the show, you may do so by going to knowledgefight.com and clicking the support the show button. | ||
| That is exactly what we would like you to do. | ||
| Become a policy wonk. | ||
| Good news. | ||
| Big news. | ||
| Big? | ||
| Big news. | ||
| Well, one and a half inch news. | ||
| This is not news to anybody. | ||
| But they're real now. | ||
| We've actually looked at a button. | ||
| It has our logo on it. | ||
| And I imagine that we will be sending those out very shortly. | ||
| Perhaps. | ||
| Yeah, that's a good point. | ||
| The perhaps is very important. | ||
| If you'd like to send us in your address, I promise I won't spam you or dox you or anything like that. | ||
| But if you'd like a button... | ||
| This whole thing was a stealth. | ||
| We actually work for Walmart. | ||
| That's about it. | ||
| You can send us a message at knowledgefightatgmail.com or at the Facebook page. | ||
| Facebook. | ||
| You can do that. | ||
| You can send us your address and we'll try and send out some buttons here in the near future. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| So that's great. | ||
| If you're a policy wonk. | ||
| Especially if you're a foreign policy expert. | ||
| If you're a foreign policy expert, you should get two buttons. | ||
|
unidentified
|
Absolutely. | |
| We'll see about that. | ||
| One for you and one for your friends in Australia? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| And one to put on the grave of the big new Brazil. | ||
| Jordan. | ||
| Yes, sir. | ||
| We've got some tough times ahead of us, so we've got some wine. | ||
| We're drinking a little wine today. | ||
| We were going to be drinking Fanta, and then I discovered that they have 81 grams of sugar in their sodas. | ||
| One, Fanta. | ||
| No, ma 'am. | ||
| No, thank you. | ||
| So we got wine. | ||
| We're drinking that because that is way too much sugar. | ||
| Although I probably will drink this later. | ||
| I think what we should do is pour it into the wine and then fucking die. | ||
| Grape, grape. | ||
| Grape, grape, grape. | ||
| That sounds great. | ||
| Yeah, it's the perfect pairing. | ||
| I used to in college, or maybe even before college when I was pretty young, I used to be a tequila boy. | ||
| I used to be into tequila. | ||
| But I would chase it with grape soda. | ||
| Or grape juice, usually. | ||
| I actually secretly didn't like the taste of it, and grape juice would completely knock it out. | ||
| It would completely knock out the taste of the tequila. | ||
| I thought you loved the taste of tequila and secretly didn't like the taste of grape juice, but everybody was doing it. | ||
| It was like a thing. | ||
| You're like, I would have just loved to double down on tequila. | ||
| I made that decision myself, but I always told people, I just like the combination of the flavors. | ||
| As a 33-year-old man, I'm ready to tell everyone I was fucking lying. | ||
| I just hated tequila. | ||
| But I wanted to be a tequila guy. | ||
| Right, right, right, right. | ||
| So anyway. | ||
| That sounds like a bad goal, Dan. | ||
| Speaking of lies and people trying to present themselves as something they're not. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| It's time to talk about Alex Jones. | ||
| Right. | ||
| So before we get to the show, I want to... | ||
| One of the alt-right Nazis who has declared war on all of humanity. | ||
| Probably more so than people realize. | ||
| Yeah, he's a Nazi. | ||
| But before we get to that, I have an out-of-context drop. | ||
| Conservatives are banned, bitches! | ||
| In the course of the subject matter that I had to go over for this episode, he yells bitches like three times. | ||
| Oh, that's going to wind up on a Kendrick track. | ||
| He's going to introduce that. | ||
| Or on Media Matters. | ||
| Conservatives are banned, bitches! | ||
| That actually sounds like something that I would want to say. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| If you're listening to this in a conservative, conservatives are banned, bitches! | ||
| No knowledge fight for you! | ||
| I also have an out-of-context drop from a guest source. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| We have an out-of-context drop from the one, the only, Donald Trump. | ||
| I think it's appropriate. | ||
| I think it's appropriate. | ||
| Alex obviously agrees with everything Trump says. | ||
| And so, as we get through this episode, we're not going to deal with him talking about Trump's statement or his press conference at all. | ||
| Yeah, because I hope they both die. | ||
| But this fucking string of words, I think, is being underreported in the media, and I think it's hilarious. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| So here's an out-of-context drop from Trump. | ||
| No child should ever be afraid to go outside. | ||
| And play. | ||
|
unidentified
|
Or be with their parents. | |
| And have a good time. | ||
|
unidentified
|
God damn it! | |
| Damn it! | ||
| Fucking crap! | ||
| Oh my god! | ||
| Every single fucking person who voted for Trump. | ||
| You should have your right to vote taken away. | ||
| And then you should be spanked. | ||
| You should be spanked. | ||
| I mean that in a very... | ||
| It's interesting. | ||
| Fine, fine, in a sexual way. | ||
| I don't even care. | ||
| There's almost an argument that you seem to be making, which I don't defend at all, but you're saying that it should be retroactively a felony to have voted for Trump? | ||
|
unidentified
|
Yes. | |
| I don't know if I agree with that. | ||
| I think flogging should be brought back. | ||
| I think that's the only way to really deal with this issue. | ||
| If we're talking spanking, maybe. | ||
| You shall be flogged at six bells, Dan. | ||
| So, Jordan... | ||
| We had some trouble in America over the last couple days in Charlottesville, Virginia. | ||
| I landed 33 minutes after it was broke. | ||
| Wait, which part of it? | ||
| The part where a fucking Nazi murdered a woman and injured at least 22 other people. | ||
| And, yeah, I think that is one thing that I... | ||
| So, before we even get started, because my guess is we're going to get into Civil War territory real quick. | ||
| It's going to get there real quick, right, Dan? | ||
| It's going to come quicker than slowly. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| No, this is no longer... | ||
| There's no Civil War to this. | ||
| These people are literal Nazis. | ||
|
unidentified
|
Yep. | |
| That's it. | ||
| They're heiling. | ||
| They're parts of groups that have put out manifestos. | ||
| They're very clear in what they believe in, what they support. | ||
| They're not citizens of the United States. | ||
| They're done. | ||
| I really don't encourage people to do this because it would be very jarring to your mental health. | ||
| I subject myself to this shit for whatever reason. | ||
| But if you go to places like Stormfront or the Daily Stormer and stuff like that, you'll see exactly what their perspective on all this is. | ||
| And it's what you'd expect. | ||
| They're thrilled. | ||
| Yeah, they're stoked. | ||
| They love it. | ||
| And they love that Trump refuses to call them out. | ||
| He refuses to say that white nationalism is a problem. | ||
| He refuses to say, like, the Klan, get out of here. | ||
| He says that there's trouble on both sides, and that is manna from heaven to people like these Nazi groups. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| No, you're equating us with Nazis. | ||
| So you're saying we're all Nazis. | ||
| And frankly, I halfway disagree, but the other part of me says, fucking nobody's stopping this. | ||
| Nobody's doing anything about it. | ||
| I... | ||
| I got off the plane and thought, now that I'm in America, do I need to buy a gun? | ||
| That was my first fucking thought after checking Twitter. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Probably not. | ||
| At this point, probably not. | ||
| Well, yeah. | ||
| It's not worth it. | ||
| Give it, what, a couple of days? | ||
| Well, I mean, you need to get classes. | ||
| You don't know how to handle a firearm. | ||
| You'd be useless with a gun. | ||
| No, I know. | ||
| You'd be holding it sideways and shit. | ||
| That's actually racist. | ||
| I would never do that. | ||
| That's not racist. | ||
| It's cool. | ||
| You see it in movies and stuff. | ||
| Well, currently, it's super cool to be racist right now, apparently. | ||
| Well, in certain circles, yes. | ||
| So, that car incident is something we'll get into and we'll discuss. | ||
| But beyond that, that was day two of an ongoing situation in Charlottesville. | ||
| Right. | ||
| The night before, there had been a Unite the Right type rally. | ||
| Where a bunch of people The statue of a Confederate general that was going to be taken down. | ||
| Was that what that was all about? | ||
|
unidentified
|
Yes. | |
| It was about a Confederate general statue being taken down? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| And actually, the roots of this go much deeper than people are dealing with. | ||
| I thought it was just white people getting together to be threatening. | ||
| No, on May 15th of this year, there was a protest because people were moving to or starting to talk about taking down. | ||
| statue of Robert E. Lee, uh, that was in downtown area and Richard Spencer led a protest there, uh, in May, uh, to, uh, to protest the taking down of that statue. | ||
| And then in June of this year, on June 8th, the Ku Klux Klan held a rally there, uh, Basically around the same thing, protecting heritage and stuff like that. | ||
| And then there was another Klan rally on July 8th of this year in Charlottesville, again, where about 50 people from the Klan showed up, and there was a massive... | ||
| The tally is around 1,000 people counter-demonstrating. | ||
| So there is a history in this city over the last few months already of these tensions. | ||
| And if you want to, I mean, it's Charlottesville, so let's just go with the entirety of American history. | ||
| There's a history of tensions boiling to the surface. | ||
| Sure, but around this specific issue, there is a pretext to what's going on that, like you said, you didn't even know, based on the reporting of stuff, that it largely was about this statue. | ||
| Yeah, who gives a fuck about a goddamn statue? | ||
| Right. | ||
| It's tough. | ||
| Who gives a fuck about it? | ||
| Look, if you took down the statue of Michael Jordan in front of the United Center, I wouldn't care. | ||
| I mean, I think that would be offensive to my Confederate roots, but... | ||
| Didn't they take down that giant Marilyn Monroe downtown? | ||
| I'm furious about it. | ||
| But, like, when I say that that is something that this is based around, it's a little bit reductive because it's become so much more. | ||
| Yeah, the statue means nothing. | ||
| It's an excuse. | ||
| Yeah, so this rally saw a bunch of people from very disparate groups, including the Klan, including the League of the South. | ||
| The Proud Boys were in effect. | ||
| There were biker groups. | ||
| There were just militias. | ||
| There were the Fraternal Order of the Alt Knights, which is the military portion of the Proud Boys. | ||
| There was Identity Europa, which is a white identity group. | ||
| There was a group that we're going to talk about a bunch more, Vanguard America. | ||
| So there were a bunch of white nationalist LARPing. | ||
| Clubs. | ||
| Yes, absolutely. | ||
| That's exactly what that was. | ||
| There were tons of them, and they were all coming together. | ||
| And before we get too deep into this, I think it's important for us to say that there are reasonable conservative people in the world, and this is not... | ||
| No, we're done. | ||
| Come on. | ||
| No, we're done. | ||
| That's not fair. | ||
| It can be fair later. | ||
| It can be fair later. | ||
| That's the situation as it stands. | ||
| That's like saying there were reasonable people who supported Japanese internment. | ||
| No, that's not fair, because not all conservatives defend... | ||
| That's hashtag not all men all over again. | ||
| Well, but I think that that's important for us to clarify, because we're going to get really hard on these folks. | ||
| I don't want it to be some sort of like, everybody who has conservative feelings, we're painting you with this brush. | ||
| Because we're going to get into a territory, I believe, especially in the near future, where you're going to see a lot of radical groups that are attacking the center. | ||
| And there are centrist conservatives, there are centrist liberal folk, and it's not fair to... | ||
| Now, if people are blindly sitting by and being silent about this, there is some I think there's complicity in meaningless words. | ||
| Like, the thing that I've seen a lot throughout the news and all of those things is... | ||
| People would like a stronger condemnation from Trump or a stronger condemnation from Mike Pence or anything like that. | ||
| It doesn't matter. | ||
| It doesn't matter how strongly they condemn it. | ||
| If Ted Cruz says he condemns Nazis, fuck him. | ||
| I don't give a shit about what he says. | ||
| He's part of the reason they're there. | ||
| Right. | ||
| So if you're going to pull this like, oh, there are centrists like... | ||
| Fuck you! | ||
| I'm not saying Ted Cruz. | ||
| I'm talking about citizens. | ||
| I'm not talking about the politicians. | ||
| I'm talking about people who are as troubled by this but just happen to lean conservative. | ||
| I mean, if you're... | ||
| Yeah, but that's like the log cabin Republicans. | ||
| If you are a gay conservative, that seems insane to me. | ||
| I get that you want tax cuts. | ||
| I get that. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| But... | ||
| The GOP is trying to eradicate you. | ||
| That's like a Jewish Nazi. | ||
| That's what that is to me. | ||
| George Soros! | ||
|
unidentified
|
Yeah, well... | |
| You're right. | ||
| Considering we deal with Jewish Nazis all the time. | ||
| Fair enough. | ||
| Alright, so, I mean, beyond all that, I think... | ||
| I'm gonna exhaust you today, Dan. | ||
| That's what's gonna happen. | ||
| Your position is fair, and I think my position is fair, and the... | ||
| I agree. | ||
| I agree your position is fair. | ||
| It's a complicated position that we're all gonna have to wrestle with in the coming months and shit. | ||
| But be that as it may, that was the first night. | ||
| That was on Friday. | ||
| They had this rally, this first one, and fighting broke out, and it was deemed an unlawful gathering, which is something that is a legally defined thing. | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| Were there a lot of cops there? | ||
| Yeah, there were. | ||
| Were they putting people in cuffs? | ||
| Were they, you know, making sure that they went to jail? | ||
| Well, the first night wasn't so terrible. | ||
|
unidentified
|
Oh, it wasn't? | |
| Okay. | ||
| It was bad. | ||
| It was bad. | ||
| Were the peaceful protesters white? | ||
| I get you. | ||
| Dan, I'm sorry. | ||
| The point... | ||
| I'm going to break you today. | ||
|
unidentified
|
No, you're not. | |
| That's what's going to happen. | ||
|
unidentified
|
No, you're not. | |
| Alex is going to break you. | ||
| You're going to lose your voice from screaming. | ||
| But be that as it may, Unlawful Gathering is defined as three or more people who are gathered. | ||
| With intent to disturb the peace or cause some sort of illegal action to happen. | ||
|
unidentified
|
Yes. | |
| And that's not protected by the First Amendment. | ||
| In the same way that slander and libel, that's not protected by free speech. | ||
| If you're gathering with the intention of destroying something, that's not free congregation or whatever. | ||
| That's not protesting. | ||
| That's not demonstrating. | ||
| And the police have every right to deem that, like, you've got to go home. | ||
|
unidentified
|
Right. | |
| And so they did that the first night on Friday, and then Saturday there were more demonstrations and shit got fucked up. | ||
|
unidentified
|
Yeah. | |
| Shit got crazy. | ||
|
unidentified
|
Yeah. | |
| So we're going to get into all that. | ||
| I think we all saw. | ||
| We did. | ||
|
unidentified
|
Yeah. | |
| So what we're going to go over today is Alex Jones put out an hour-long video on Saturday. | ||
| Oh, fuck. | ||
| An emergency broadcast, which is infuriating to me because I want to talk about 2015. | ||
| I found some really weird stuff I want to talk about. | ||
| Or even I had planned that we would go over Friday's show because he's got a bunch of lies about people planning to kill Trump that I would like to get into. | ||
| But we can't now. | ||
| And it even pisses me off even further because we're recording this on Sunday. | ||
| He's doing his Sunday show. | ||
| I'm sure he's got a fucking whole new spin for all this. | ||
| Jesus Christ. | ||
| Are we going to have to do a live episode sometime? | ||
| Almost. | ||
| It feels like this might be outdated in terms of his propaganda even by the time this airs. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Even by the time we record. | ||
| Yeah, but it's worth it to go over in the sense that we can get a sense of what is his reaction, how does he deal with this in the moment. | ||
| And maybe I can get some sort of catharsis from it. | ||
| Maybe. | ||
| We'll see. | ||
| So, this is the beginning of it. | ||
| I have cut out not all that much in terms of... | ||
| I'll explain where I've cut stuff out and what have you, but it's mostly just segmented pieces of the video that he put out. | ||
| Here's the beginning. | ||
| Ladies and gentlemen, I have been predicting for six months that you would see riots start in the late part of the summer of 2017. | ||
| You've been predicting it for 20 years! | ||
| Cause and effect. | ||
| Two plus two equals four. | ||
| George Soros doubled the amount of money he was giving to Black Lives Matter and other anti-police race-based groups when Trump won. | ||
| That was about eight months ago. | ||
| But it was clear once Trump got inaugurated that they were going to go for civil unrest. | ||
| Now, you go around getting rid of a bunch of Confederate general statues and the media hypes that up. | ||
| There's going to be some crazies on the right that come out as well. | ||
| And Trump is condemned. | ||
| Hate across the board, absolutely. | ||
| That's been his message all along. | ||
| They claim that the Tea Party and that Trump and that myself and others are deeply racist, like Tom Brokaw said about me a few months ago, with no evidence. | ||
| We have all the evidence. | ||
| They don't play the clips, hundreds of them on YouTube, me protesting the KKK and Aryan Nations. | ||
| They just say, Jones is deeply racist or unalloyed. | ||
|
unidentified
|
You are. | |
| So what's happening is classic divide and conquer. | ||
| They stir up some stuff about Confederate statues. | ||
| Then they send out Black Lives Matter to shoot cops and do stuff like that. | ||
| They hype it up. | ||
| They have universities say, you know, whites are inherently evil. | ||
| If you have a white baby, abort it. | ||
| Whites should be genocided. | ||
| I mean, that's mainstream cultural garbage. | ||
| MTV has shows with the problem of being white. | ||
| Yeah, MTV is the issue. | ||
| Inherently, stereotypically, whites are inherently bad. | ||
| I mean, this is 180 degrees the opposite of what Martin Luther King said. | ||
| It's 100% on target aligned with Adolf Alois Hitler. | ||
| You may have heard of him, who said it is all about what race or who you are. | ||
| So, already we have listened to the first minute and a half of his video, and he has, whether he is aware of it or not, basically just said, I'm into it. | ||
| All these white supremacist folks, I'm in. | ||
| Because everyone keeps trying to say that whiteness is bad. | ||
| And it's not. | ||
| He's just misrepresenting and misunderstanding things that he sees. | ||
| And pretending that they're mainstream culture. | ||
| Like that thing about aborting white babies was on a very radical blog. | ||
| That was a blog post that some very, very far out radical posted. | ||
| Where is that? | ||
| Have we gone over that? | ||
| We did in passing. | ||
| Oh, okay. | ||
| It's just... | ||
| Oh, no, no, now I remember it. | ||
| It's from some blog that probably had like a hundred readers. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And it's the same with his blog talk radio guy. | ||
| You know, he finds these terrible examples and then pretends that it's, this is the mainstream idea. | ||
| You have to really search hard for that kind of shit. | ||
| Yeah, and then he just, he mainstreams it. | ||
| That's 15th page of Google search results. | ||
|
unidentified
|
Totally. | |
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| Until these right-wing outlets pick it up and then pretend like, aha, we gotcha. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But then also, you pointed it out even as the video was going, he is such a dick because... | ||
| He's saying that, like, as I predicted, like, if you're listening to our show, you've heard in 2015 he was saying this is going to be the summer of rage. | ||
| In 2016, he goes on about how Obama's going to cause all kinds of civic disorder so he can become president forever. | ||
|
unidentified
|
Right. | |
| And the caliph of the Muslims. | ||
| He's going to be king of Muslims worldwide. | ||
| Yeah, that makes sense. | ||
| So all of these predictions that he's made have completely fallen apart and not come true, and he's never been like, hey, sorry. | ||
| I was wrong about that one. | ||
| In the same way with the financial collapse stuff. | ||
| He's like, it's coming next week. | ||
| Oh, wait, next week. | ||
| It's coming in the winter. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He just does that over and over again until eventually there's some symbol, like this bad, what's going on is bad, and he's like, ah, I called it all along. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's so stupid. | ||
| Yeah, sooner or later you're going to get one right. | ||
| Right. | ||
| That's it. | ||
| If you say something over and over and over again, it's going to rain today. | ||
| It's going to rain today. | ||
| It's going to rain today. | ||
| Sooner or later it's going to fucking rain. | ||
| It would not be impressive if Babe Ruth called his shot every time. | ||
|
unidentified
|
Yeah! | |
| If Babe Ruth is every time, he's like, this one's going out. | ||
|
unidentified
|
Yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| Then he hits a bloop. | ||
| I know I have a 360 batting average, but every single one is going out. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It takes away some of the shine of your predictions when you've been wrong all the time and you're saying the same thing. | ||
| Right. | ||
| So, I mean, we got it. | ||
| He's into whiteness. | ||
| And he wants to create straw men attacking whiteness in order to justify his profound prejudice. | ||
| And like we said also, hey Alex, we got the proof. | ||
| We got plenty of proof that you are a bigot. | ||
| And you fucking put it out! | ||
| And you know it. | ||
| It's not like we had to dig something up. | ||
| Nope. | ||
| It's on the internet, you being a fucking racist. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Anybody can go Google... | ||
| Or go to YouTube and find one of the clips that you have chosen doing diligent research, and it's him being a racist. | ||
| You just opened the book up, first page, I'm a racist. | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| If you want to pull that shit, at least take it down. | ||
| At least pretend, well, but that's the same thing with the Trump shit, where it's like, oh, I can't take it down. | ||
| I can't because those are the people who like me the most. | ||
| So you have to have that. | ||
| Just like Trump can't condemn white nationalists because they're the reason. | ||
| They even said it. | ||
| What's his fault? | ||
| David Duke. | ||
| I have David Duke's quote here. | ||
| David Duke's quote when he was at the rally was, this represents a turning point for the people of this country. | ||
| We're determined to take our country back. | ||
| We're going to fulfill the promises of Donald Trump, and that's what we believed in. | ||
| That's why we voted for Donald Trump, because he said he's going to take our country back, and that's what we're going to do. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You know how white people need to take their country back. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| It's a healthy impulse. | ||
| All of the people who are afraid of white genocide... | ||
| Are really making it hard for me not to want a white genocide. | ||
| I'm leaning towards... | ||
| Look, I was at a hard no. | ||
| Now I'm at a softer no. | ||
| Now I'm in the 5% nation. | ||
| Do you get what I'm saying, Dan? | ||
| If I'm Alex Jones, I'll be like, I'm gonna take that out of context. | ||
| Yeah, no, fine. | ||
| I don't even fucking care at this point. | ||
| Frankly... | ||
| You can take it out of context! | ||
| Because, again, I'm really at a soft no! | ||
| In context, it's exactly what you need. | ||
| Exactly! | ||
| So, here's this next clip. | ||
| They had some boots on the ground, InfoWars did. | ||
| Oh, of course they did. | ||
| Fucking all of the boots on the ground were InfoWars. | ||
| But they had specifically, like, an employee on the ground. | ||
| So, I mean, it's the triumph of ignorance is what all this is. | ||
| It's divide and conquer. | ||
| It's in the WikiLeaks. | ||
| The elite know this, but here is the breaking news. | ||
| Yeah, it's in the WikiLeaks that they wanted to cause a race war with the Democrats because they're losing. | ||
| Nope. | ||
| The Republican leadership's just as bad. | ||
| They're a part of it. | ||
| It's in the WikiLeaks. | ||
|
unidentified
|
It's in the WikiLeaks. | |
| Millie Weaver and our intrepid camera guy, Gavin. | ||
| Oh, hey, Millie. | ||
| Are out there. | ||
| Rainbow Snatch. | ||
| Rainbow Snatch is out there. | ||
| She just called me up, basically crying. | ||
| Gavin McGinnis got attacked, viciously sprayed in the face. | ||
| Good. | ||
| Once that happened, they decided on him as a leader. | ||
| The police were ordered to stand down by the mayor, who's a Hillary supporter. | ||
| The town of Charlottesville voted 80-plus percent Democrat. | ||
| And the police told them, and this is reportedly on tape, but it's hours that it just got uploaded live. | ||
| But now the upload's at InfoWars.com and on our Facebook and Twitter. | ||
| And they're told, civil emergency's been declared, no public meetings, which is martial law. | ||
| National emergency is what they want to get going here, but it started so far in Virginia. | ||
| So he's essentially saying that this is all about leading to martial law, which it's not. | ||
| What are you doing? | ||
| You are weird. | ||
| You're getting weird. | ||
| Yeah, I'm getting weird. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| I know, I'm trying to dial it back. | ||
| I'm trying to dial it back. | ||
| I appreciate that. | ||
| Because I, like, this is my, so I've been back in the States for less than 24 hours. | ||
| And quite frankly, I don't think that you could handle screaming for as long as... | ||
| You might feel like you should. | ||
|
unidentified
|
Boy. | |
| Based on this episode. | ||
| I think that you run out of throat. | ||
| Boy, man. | ||
| That's a bet I'm willing to take. | ||
| I don't want to adjust the levels. | ||
| Yeah, I know. | ||
| No, I'm trying to dial it back because this is my first opportunity to do anything more. | ||
| I haven't even been around other human beings, really. | ||
| So my instinct is to get out all of the shit that's been building up. | ||
| For the past 24 hours. | ||
| So I'm going to do my best to dial it back. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| And full stop. | ||
|
unidentified
|
Okay. | |
| I don't even want to engage with what he's saying. | ||
|
unidentified
|
Okay. | |
| Because if you want to pull this, if you don't pull this national emergency shit, martial law shit, who the fuck is going to run that? | ||
| The guy! | ||
| It's a guy who supports fucking white nationalism. | ||
| That's a problem. | ||
| Alex Jones should be advocating for national martial law because then he'd finally be fucking winning. | ||
| I think he kind of does. | ||
| Of course! | ||
| But it's only against Antifa and what have you. | ||
| Yeah, it's against... | ||
| People who are against fascism. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| It doesn't get more clear than that. | ||
| It's a very interesting headspace to be in, where it's like, I have built up an entire career that is against tyranny, against police oppression, but please, police go squash those leftists. | ||
| Tyrannically. | ||
| Yeah, it's very weird. | ||
| Rainbow Snatch was in effect, I want to say. | ||
| Rainbow Snatch was in effect. | ||
| She was out there. | ||
| We've got a Rainbow Snatch warning. | ||
| Millie Weaver, a.k.a. | ||
| Rainbow Snatch. | ||
| The counties of- Uninfected are Cook County and Charlottesville. | ||
| So she's out there and I don't trust a word she says. | ||
| So this idea that he's reporting based on what she said, I'm gonna need more. | ||
|
unidentified
|
Unless she's dressed as a clown, I don't believe a word of it. | |
| And then beyond that, he's like, we allegedly have taped. | ||
| Reportedly. | ||
| Reportedly. | ||
| That's a synonym. | ||
| That's how... | ||
| Bullshit term. | ||
| But, like, reportedly there's video. | ||
| You can't report that. | ||
| Then how about get the video? | ||
| Yeah, you can't report that, Alex. | ||
|
unidentified
|
Yeah. | |
| You can't pretend, like, because your dumbass listeners are going to hear that is, oh, they do have it on tape. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| It's very dangerous. | ||
| Well, it's in the WikiLeaks. | ||
| Oh, yeah, that's the other thing. | ||
| I swear to God, I'm really running low on Soros. | ||
| Soros. | ||
| Soros. | ||
| Black Lives Matter. | ||
| WikiLeaks. | ||
| Fuck you! | ||
| Everything is vaguely or obliquely in the WikiLeaks. | ||
| It's somewhere else. | ||
| Hey, you know Barry Bostwick didn't actually exist? | ||
| It's in the WikiLeaks. | ||
| Wait, Barry Bostwick didn't exist? | ||
| It's in the WikiLeaks. | ||
| But what about that show with Michael J. Fox? | ||
|
unidentified
|
Spin City didn't exist. | |
| Alright, well now I'm not sure which side of that I'm on. | ||
| Is that a good or bad? | ||
| I think Spin City sucks, so I'm for it. | ||
| So we kind of have an idea of what happened. | ||
| Where did you pull Barry Bostwick from? | ||
| I was worried about that myself. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Where did that come from? | ||
| I certainly haven't been thinking about him lately. | ||
| Maybe you have. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Very, very obscure place for my brain to go. | ||
| Generally, I like Barry Bostwick. | ||
| He's really good. | ||
| He's a political show, so maybe... | ||
| Don't you dare try and find a rabbit hole to put that out of. | ||
| We have a vague sense of what happened on Saturday. | ||
| I think that a lot of the information that we have is incomplete, and there is more that is going to come out as more witnesses are interviewed. | ||
| There is a larger, more robust reality, but I think we have a pretty decent sense of it. | ||
| And with Twitter, there have been a lot of things where there have been tweets come out where it's like, I was there and my friends were all of this stuff. | ||
| And your knee-jerk reaction is, of course, to believe them. | ||
| But I try really hard to be like, Yes, I know, and the spirit of this is correct, but if it's not something that we can confirm, then it's just more fuel for the Alex Jones fire. | ||
| Pictures, videos, sort of trustworthy sources and stuff like that. | ||
| There are videos of those people beating those white nationalist fucks, those Nazis beating the 20-year-old black dude. | ||
| DeAndre Harris? | ||
|
unidentified
|
Yes. | |
| Yeah, they beat him with pipes. | ||
| That's for real. | ||
| That's confirmed. | ||
| That's not reportedly confirmed. | ||
| There isn't reportedly video of that. | ||
| No. | ||
| There fucking is. | ||
| Yeah, and that was clearly not an incident where they were threatened by him or anything like that. | ||
| It was legitimately just a race beating. | ||
| If there's four Nazis beating a black guy with pipes. | ||
| And if you look at the images in the video, you see that they're in khakis and white polos. | ||
| And the reason that that's important, everyone likes to make fun of it and be like, ha ha, you dumb... | ||
| Old Navy going motherfucker and stuff like that. | ||
| People are taking into account that that is a uniform. | ||
| That's what Trump dresses like. | ||
| That's the uniform of Vanguard America. | ||
| Like that group that we will get into here in a little bit. | ||
| Wait, there's a group? | ||
| I thought it was just a bunch of dumbasses dressing like Trump on a fucking golf course. | ||
| No, that uniform is what the Vanguard America dresses in. | ||
| Because it's, I don't know, traditional? | ||
|
unidentified
|
God. | |
| Yeah. | ||
| I mean, at least the Nazis knew how to wear a uniform. | ||
| Eh, it's nice to wear. | ||
| They had armbands. | ||
| So did a lot of these dudes. | ||
| Fair. | ||
| To be fair. | ||
| That's fair. | ||
| But, you know, polos and khakis are very unassuming, and they have, like, a preppy feel to them that people feel like. | ||
| They have a white, middle-class feel to them. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| So, like I said, we have a vague idea, and I think a pretty decent idea of what happened, but Alex has a very interesting spin about the reality of what happened. | ||
| And this is sort of his narrative, and it's very, very bizarre. | ||
| When they told them this is a national emergency, And they were kettled in where they were ordered to march in for their area to speak. | ||
| So they tell them, march in here, reporters march in here, they're at the end of a cul-de-sac, kettled in with fences, police all the way around, and they've got all the Antifa outside the kettling. | ||
| Because remember, imagine, they're telling them, you can come in, but you're in a gauntlet, you can't get out. | ||
| So they bring you in and they let Antifa... | ||
| The police were only on the end of it. | ||
| They let Antifa be all the way on the gates, coming in on each side. | ||
| And then the police, then once the reporters and the small conservative march began marching, they led them to be beaten, attacked, and hit with bottles. | ||
| I mean, blood everywhere, people throwing knives at them, people getting really, really hurt. | ||
| To give the Antifa a victory. | ||
| Because they, everywhere, have been attacking folks and beating them and hitting them, and folks fight back, kick their ass. | ||
| So Antifa, most of them little meth heads and stuff, they've been backed off, not knowing what to do. | ||
| They had to have this victory. | ||
| So they get the Southern Property Law Center, who's been caught doing this before, to come in, get a few people from Central Casting, actors, dress up, you know, like the white supremacists. | ||
| There's a unify the right... | ||
| history, they'll want to get rid of Thomas Jefferson statues next, which they now want to do, and get rid of the American flag next. | ||
| Because there's more slaves on the American flag than there ever was on the Confederate. | ||
| That's a fact. | ||
| You see the news they're doing that. | ||
| The Ninth Circuit banned the American flag on the West Coast in school. | ||
| Whoops! | ||
| Have we ever talked about that before, Dan? | ||
| Very in-depth, yes. | ||
| I think we may have had a long fucking conversation about that goddamn lie. | ||
| Yeah, and he's been spinning it for years. | ||
| He's been throwing that baby out there for quite a while. | ||
| He's relying on a lot of sort of lies in order to... | ||
|
unidentified
|
This is thin. | |
| This is fucking thin bullshit. | ||
| This is nothing. | ||
| As you might call it, it's weak tea. | ||
| It's so weak. | ||
| This is like one of the highballs I got out at the horse track yesterday. | ||
| Very weak. | ||
| A lot of water in that highball. | ||
| This is just such evidence that he's so far wrong. | ||
|
unidentified
|
Oh, yeah. | |
| And he knows it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Because he's got... | ||
| He's treading water. | ||
| Yeah, he's got nothing even to hang his hat on. | ||
| He's like, oh, wait, shit, there were actual Nazis there. | ||
| How am I going to define it? | ||
| How am I going to say that this is good? | ||
| Oh, well, obviously, the Southern Poverty Law Center got together and got actors to pretend to be Nazis in order to discredit the right. | ||
|
unidentified
|
It's true. | |
| Because there's a bunch of reasonable people who are there. | ||
| The fucking thing was organized by a literal Nazi, Richard Spencer. | ||
| What was it fucking called? | ||
| The right to... | ||
| Unite the right? | ||
| Unite the right. | ||
| When he said that was anti-racism. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| Well, it is in the sense that if you got rid of all other races, then there would be no more racism. | ||
| So, I mean, in the long view, he's kind of not lying. | ||
| Yeah, you know, in the long view? | ||
| In the long view. | ||
| He's terrible. | ||
| Of all days, on a normal day, which we have not had for several months now, or even with our investigation and all of that stuff, I'm far more patient with this kind of bullshit. | ||
| It's funnier. | ||
| It's fun to laugh at it. | ||
| He's got nothing. | ||
| He's just throwing bullshit out. | ||
| Today is not the fucking day to come at me with this Antifa, this mispronunciation of all of this shit. | ||
| Let's also, I mean, this is petty of me, but Antifa is like, what are they, against Vietnamese food? | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah, right? | ||
| What are you fucking doing? | ||
| Everyone at Infowars pronounces it wrong the same, too. | ||
| Of course! | ||
| It's clearly some sort of, like... | ||
| It's an attempt to... | ||
| It's an editorial decision. | ||
| Yeah, it's an attempt to delegitimize their own name. | ||
| I think so. | ||
| Like, if you retake their name, it's mind-boggling. | ||
| We should start calling it Infawars. | ||
| It's just as a fuck you. | ||
| I would prefer Infawars. | ||
| Infawars. | ||
| Alex joins. | ||
| Alex... | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| He wears a... | ||
| What does he normally wear? | ||
| Sweet? | ||
| Swip? | ||
| A blaseer? | ||
| A blaseer, yeah. | ||
| All right. | ||
| He wears a hiat. | ||
| He's got a come-over. | ||
| The idea that this is all because Antifa needs to get their win back is really bizarre. | ||
| The idea that they're like a pro wrestler who's lost too many matches. | ||
| He's not a credible threat anymore. | ||
| We've got to get him in there against a jobber. | ||
| Yeah, we've got to get a face in there to put him over. | ||
| So also, this thing about people and reporters and stuff being taken down this gauntlet where they get attacked by Antifa... | ||
| I think he's misrepresenting the idea that this is the area you can be in because it is a public area. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And even the protesters and the demonstrators, the Nazis, had a permit. | ||
| Yeah, let's not even come close to calling them demonstrators. | ||
| They had to apply for a permit. | ||
| And the way cities do that is you get a permit and you can be in this specific space. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And I'm sure that there was a space that was cordoned off for reporters. | ||
| A space that was protected by the police. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Some of whom were... | ||
| Black! | ||
|
unidentified
|
Some of whom who were women. | |
| Some of whom who were all of these things. | ||
| And that is, it's getting, it's like that's such a point of pride. | ||
| I truly believe that's a point of pride for all of us. | ||
| That even these people believe so much more in the ideal of America that they're willing. | ||
| To protect the very people who want them dead. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| That's amazing. | ||
| It's tough. | ||
| Now, at the same time... | ||
| God, I want you to turn around and beat the shit out of them. | ||
| Look, if the Native Americans at DAPA... | ||
| DAPL? | ||
| North Dakota? | ||
| Was it North or South Dakota? | ||
| It was North. | ||
| It was North Dakota. | ||
| Access pipeline? | ||
| If they get fucking... | ||
| What? | ||
| Destroyed, beaten, arrested. | ||
| If they get all of those things done, God, I want every single cop to punch the shit out of these white fucking nationalists. | ||
| It'd be nice. | ||
| But I can't. | ||
| I can't want that. | ||
| Because I didn't want it to happen to them. | ||
| I don't want it to happen to these white nationalists either. | ||
| That's the problem with any kind of ideological consistency. | ||
| And I think that might be why we're losing. | ||
| I think you might be onto something. | ||
| I think it might be why we're fucked, because Alex Jones couldn't give a shit. | ||
| Nope. | ||
| Beat up Native Americans, but if you hit a white person, they're the worst person in the world. | ||
| Yeah, but that's because he just cares about white stuff. | ||
| I think they're fighting a war against us, and we're not. | ||
| Nope, totally. | ||
| I think that's what's going on. | ||
| 100%. | ||
| And I don't know how to reconcile that with our American principles. | ||
| Do you know what I'm saying? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Let's think about it, and we'll talk later. | ||
| Because I don't think we have an answer right now. | ||
| But there's another point that I wanted... | ||
| My answer is white genocide, Dan. | ||
|
unidentified
|
Oh, boy. | |
| There was one more point that I wanted to get to about that narrative about people being taken and led to the slaughter, basically, by Antifa. | ||
| Yeah, the gauntlet. | ||
| That's not the way I've seen any sources reporting. | ||
| None. | ||
| Except for one. | ||
| Which one? | ||
| Daily Stormer. | ||
| I can't think of any reason why they would have that reported. | ||
| There's a real decent chance. | ||
| Are they the only ones telling truth, Dan? | ||
| Maybe. | ||
| There's a really decent chance that Alex Jones is getting his ideas from that. | ||
| At least in terms of this narrative of what the protest and the counter-demonstrations were like. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Maybe there are other places that it's reported like that, but that's the only place I've seen it. | ||
| Also, I gotta be totally clear. | ||
| I've been looking into this stuff, and I think that Daily Stormer is mostly just trying to make people mad. | ||
| I can't tell for sure. | ||
| Really? | ||
| I think it's trolling. | ||
| I think they are... | ||
| Nazi bigots and what have you, but I think they go way over the top in terms, like, just trying to piss people off. | ||
| Yeah, you think so? | ||
| Well, because one of their headlines today was about the lady who got killed by the car attack. | ||
| Man, you're gonna tell me what it is, aren't you? | ||
| Sure, do you want to know? | ||
| No! | ||
| Okay. | ||
| I gotta tell you. | ||
| End of the show. | ||
| This is... | ||
| Okay, go ahead and shoot it. | ||
| Shoot it at me. | ||
| I don't have the quote, but it's basically that this lady was a 32-year-old fat slut. | ||
| And that... | ||
| I went in to read it, and it was basically about how the... | ||
| You know, if you're a woman and you're 32 and you don't have kids, you're a complete failure, because the only thing you're supposed to really do is reproduce. | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| Which is so... | ||
| So insane, so inhumane as to be parody, right? | ||
| Like, even The Onion, like, that's the issue on the right, is if you're going to parody anything, you just have to go way far out there. | ||
| And that is doing that, but at the same time, I am not comfortable saying that this is much different than a lot of other bullshit I see. | ||
| Exactly, exactly. | ||
| So, I mean... | ||
| It's tough. | ||
| I don't ever want... | ||
| They're just trying to stand out. | ||
| You won't hear us refer to anything they say seriously in the future, and that's the explanation for why. | ||
| But I needed to bring that up because that is, like, the parallel between Alex's version of what happened and theirs is glaring. | ||
| So... | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Alex... | ||
| You think Alex is in their message board? | ||
| Possible. | ||
| Or one of his reporters. | ||
| Yeah, I wonder if we could... | ||
| I wonder if we had the resources, which we don't. | ||
| I wonder if we could actually trace that down, like the same way those intrepid reporters trace down James Comey's Twitter account. | ||
| Yeah, look, if we got to a point where people were, you know, I could pay my rent doing this show and we had the time to put into it, I bet we could find out a lot of connections that are there that are going missing. | ||
| But for now, I've got to go to work, and then on weekends sometimes I have to go to the horse track. | ||
| We might as well. | ||
| Address that issue. | ||
| I'd like to just say I'm never going back to these sad-ass horse tracks. | ||
| Very fun time with friends, but it bummed me out quite a bit. | ||
| So, speaking of things that bummed me out, Alex goes on in this next... | ||
| That's because the horse track... | ||
| George Soros to piss you off. | ||
| Yeah, they were shills who he was paying to lose money. | ||
| Yeah, that's just a fact. | ||
| That's just a fact. | ||
| Also, I lost on, I bet, on the pizza man, and he didn't come through for me. | ||
| Yeah, did not deliver. | ||
| Wise man says forgiveness is divine, but never pay full price for late pizza. | ||
| Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles number one. | ||
| All right. | ||
| So in this next clip, Alex sort of breaks down more of his version of the events, and he is not... | ||
| Being fair about truth. | ||
| So, they're there, but then, oh, leading their march ahead of them is a group of 50 guys with torches saying, Heil Hitler. | ||
| See? | ||
| Then they've got all the Antifa bussed in by Soros and everybody. | ||
| They're ready then, and the police kettle the normal conservatives, march them through, let them get beaten up for the psyop of the image of conservatives getting beat up and Antifa being victorious. | ||
| Because Antifa has been so pathetic, so cowardly, so criminal at universities where they can... | ||
| See, I knew this before it even happened. | ||
| It's a microphone. | ||
| Suck your own dick. | ||
| They did this at Berkeley. | ||
| They did this at other universities. | ||
| And they've done it in Europe where they control the police there. | ||
| They control the media. | ||
| Somebody like Milo comes in to speak. | ||
| They beat and attack the outnumbered few conservatives or reporters. | ||
| Lesbian, liberal reporters going to hear them speak. | ||
| They get hit in the head with tire irons. | ||
| They get beat up. | ||
| They get drug off by crowds like vampires be beat up. | ||
| They get hit in the head with bike locks. | ||
| But finally, folks finally marched on Berkeley and kicked their ass. | ||
| And so now they're going, God, our people won't show up anywhere. | ||
| They've become demoralized. | ||
| They admit they're demoralized. | ||
| We want to overthrow Trump. | ||
| We want to cause a civil war. | ||
| Which they admit on the news they want to do. | ||
| What do we do? | ||
| We start banning all conservatives and libertarians. | ||
| We don't let them be online to communicate. | ||
| It's like breaking in on somebody's phone conversation and you don't let them talk. | ||
| Just like you do with your guests. | ||
| And they said, we've got to now start luring in the right wing into towns where we control everything. | ||
| And then we can bring out right-wing to represent them that are racist to then trigger the groups we've got to attack them and then have the police protect the attacking of the peaceful people, then have a civil emergency declared, and then announce all over the country, you can't have demonstrations anymore that are controversial because of what we saw happen here. | ||
| That is such a complicated version of what he thinks happened. | ||
| That is so far off base. | ||
| And there's much simpler explanations. | ||
| Then, uh, everything is fake. | ||
| Luring, luring them, like, what, was there a box and a stick and the box has mayo written on it? | ||
| Like, what the fuck is he talking about? | ||
| But also, I mean, he doesn't even get into it how there have been protests and demonstrations there since May. | ||
|
unidentified
|
Right. | |
| Like, the idea that people are luring them into this city, these fucking ding-dongs chose to go there of their own volition. | ||
| Not even just that, but there are fucking buses and shuttles. | ||
| People from Illinois, there are pictures of people from Illinois getting on a goddamn bus to go to goddamn Charlottesville to be the dicks that they are in real life. | ||
| Oh, I mean, the guy who we're going to get into in a little bit, the guy who was driving the car that ended up killing that lady was from Ohio. | ||
|
unidentified
|
Yeah. | |
| Like, he came in from out of town. | ||
| Actually, they found his mom and interviewed her, and she was sadly unaware of the stuff her son was getting into. | ||
| It was really scary in terms of, like... | ||
| She thought he was into somebody named Albright, which is the alt-right. | ||
|
unidentified
|
Oh boy. | |
| She had really no idea of the white supremacist shit he was being radicalized with online. | ||
| Madeline Albright? | ||
| That sounds like Cockney rhyming slang for alt-right. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's an Albright. | ||
|
unidentified
|
Yeah, got an Albright organization. | |
| So, I mean, what do you think about his narrative? | ||
| I think what... | ||
| What I'm hearing is he can't deal with it. | ||
| This is not him spinning it. | ||
| I think he's also a little manic. | ||
| What I'm saying is I don't think he's spinning it for his listeners. | ||
| I think he's really spinning it for himself. | ||
| Because I don't think he can quite process that this is him. | ||
| Like, this is his fault. | ||
| Like, I don't think he can process that he is one of these Nazis. | ||
| It's not all his fault, but he plays a role in it. | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| I'm not saying it's his fault. | ||
| I'm saying that this is... | ||
| He's propagated this. | ||
| ...and this is part of who he is. | ||
| So he's rewriting this as he speaks because... | ||
| He can't deal with the fact that he is a Nazi. | ||
| It's often difficult to see jarring versions of yourself in other people, especially when they're villains. | ||
| Right. | ||
| He's rewriting every single thing about this. | ||
| And I'm talking about everything. | ||
| Like, there's no reality here. | ||
| There's no thing for him to hang his hat on, because generally what we're used to seeing... | ||
| Is him trying to find one little detail to glom onto. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| One little thing. | ||
| And this is an entire rewrite. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| This is like the script of Dirty Dancing Havana Nights. | ||
| All the Nazis and all of the white nationalists who were there. | ||
| Which is a great fucking reference if you know the history of Dirty Dancing Havana Nights. | ||
| I don't care. | ||
|
unidentified
|
I don't care. | |
| I don't care at all. | ||
| I'm sorry. | ||
| I'm trying, Dan. | ||
| I'm trying to find some sort of fun in this. | ||
| I don't think dirty dancing Havana nights is the way to go with it. | ||
| I think you're wrong. | ||
| Fair enough. | ||
| We'll agree to disagree. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| But the idea that all these people who are there are plants is absurd. | ||
| Like, it's just absurd, because the depth that you would need to pre-plan that is prohibitive. | ||
| The idea that these organizations would have to exist, their membership would have to be known, people would have a history of doing these same actions. | ||
| No, this would have to be a 20-year-long plan. | ||
| And not only that, but even if it... | ||
| It is, but it's actually sincere. | ||
| Yeah, that's true. | ||
| The plan is sincere by these Nazis. | ||
| That's true. | ||
| But even if it... | ||
| So even if it was instigated by these planned guys, there would still be real guys there. | ||
| Oh, and there were. | ||
| Yeah, they were all real, but even if your argument is that it was a false flag or whatever it is, that false flag brought out the real fucking racists. | ||
| Of which you are one, Alex Jones. | ||
| I hear what you're saying. | ||
| I don't even want to engage with that because the false flag narrative is so fucked out. | ||
| I just don't even care. | ||
| But be that as it may, we know what it's all about for Alex. | ||
| It's about whiteness. | ||
| In this next clip... | ||
| I thought it was all about the Benjamins, but fair. | ||
| It's all about the Nookie. | ||
| Come on! | ||
|
unidentified
|
The Nookie! | |
| He'll be running for Congress as well. | ||
| Yeah, Fred Durst. | ||
| After fucking... | ||
| Fred Durst for the Florida seat. | ||
| What's his bullshit Kid Rock face? | ||
| Kid Rock. | ||
|
unidentified
|
Yeah. | |
| So this next clip is, Alex basically makes it very clear what he cares about. | ||
| So, they're trying to trigger this, they're trying to do it, they're trying to absolutely divide America. | ||
| More than they've ever divided it. | ||
| While we have North Korea threatening to launch these missiles, while we have the deputy director of the FBI under Mueller saying, we're going to kill Trump. | ||
|
unidentified
|
Yeah, sure. | |
| And that's how biased Mueller is and why he should recuse himself. | ||
| You've got Mudd. | ||
| His name's really Mudd. | ||
| I mean, it's not me saying it. | ||
| Here it is. | ||
| CNN's Phil Mudd nails Trump. | ||
| Nails him. | ||
| And it goes on to say, let me show you. | ||
| I have the article right here in my stack. | ||
| It says we're going to kill him. | ||
| This is mainstream news. | ||
| Yeah, go ahead and read that article. | ||
| Former Mueller deputy, deep state will kill Trump. | ||
| So... | ||
| This is the narrative from Friday that I wanted us to get much more in-depth in, and now we can't because it's too late. | ||
| But I'll give you the brief version of it. | ||
| There was a guy named Philip Mudd who was on CNN. | ||
| He's a regular contributor. | ||
| He also had a really weird interview with Stephen Colbert a couple years back that is worth watching just for its awkwardness. | ||
| On the Colbert Report? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But what he said is basically the way that Trump is... | ||
| Basically saying, hey, Putin, thanks. | ||
| Thanks for kicking our dudes out is a very bad way to govern. | ||
| It's not good. | ||
| And he said, they're going to kill him. | ||
| The government's going to kill him. | ||
| And then immediately the host, I believe it was Tapper, was like, I just want to be clear, you're talking metaphorically. | ||
| He's like, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, of course. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| So it's the same way... | ||
| But we take that out of context, and there we go! | ||
| And it's the same way that Alex talks about how we're going to destroy you. | ||
| In the info war! | ||
|
unidentified
|
In the info war! | |
| It's the exact same thing, but he's just not giving the same pass to... | ||
| Hypocrisy means nothing to these people. | ||
| Totally. | ||
| Every time you see anybody point out hypocrisy on the left, they feel like it means a thing, and it means nothing. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It means nothing to these people. | ||
| The other thing about film... | ||
| They are rank hypocrites who revel in it, who are so happy that they can get away with their hypocrisy. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| The other thing about Philip Mudd was Alex was also saying that... | ||
| He threatened to beat up Trey Gowdy, and he was going to kick his teeth in and shit. | ||
| Trey Gowdy is the guy who looks like he should be beat up and his teeth should be kicked in? | ||
| He's really into Benghazi. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Oh, no, I've seen his face. | ||
| The actual clip that came from was Philip Mudd saying, like... | ||
| Someone should kick his ass because he's lying about the way he's presenting questions in Congress. | ||
| I disagree with none of that. | ||
| Right, but he's not saying, I'm going to kick his ass. | ||
| Alex adds all these flourishes of kicking his teeth in and stuff like that that he didn't say. | ||
| He just said someone should kick his ass because he knows better. | ||
| He knows what he's doing. | ||
| He knows that he's willfully misleading people in congressional questioning. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And, I mean... | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Agreed. | ||
| 100% agree. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Rhetorically, it's a little aggressive, but it's certainly not what Alex is saying. | ||
| And anyway, fuck him. | ||
| So here we go. | ||
| Let's get back to the clip. | ||
| That's the level they've gotten to. | ||
| And it's a shake-and-make operation. | ||
| The globalists start the Vietnam War, send us over... | ||
| Don't you dare bring Will Ferrell into this. | ||
| ...use the opposition to it to build their leftist opposition in America, who discredit the greatness of America standing up against tyranny by putting us in a somewhat tyrannical position while the globalists made money off the war... | ||
| Wait, no, no, pause that. | ||
| Pause that right now. | ||
| So... | ||
| So give me a second to process that sentence. | ||
| The leftists... | ||
| Standing up against tyranny by putting us into a tyrannical position. | ||
| Well, yeah, the anti-war movement in the 70s and 60s and 70s was the leftists trying to impugn the good name of America. | ||
| And yes, then that would bring in tyranny or something like that. | ||
| No, no, no, but... | ||
| Why do you expect this to make sense? | ||
| That dog won't hump senior. | ||
| No. | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| That sentence makes less sense than everything else he's said so far. | ||
| But he said it confidently, so I don't think his listeners are going to pick up on how stupid it is. | ||
| That's a good point. | ||
| You're not wrong there. | ||
| But I mean, it's fun. | ||
| It's fun. | ||
| At least it's different than a lot of his other narratives. | ||
| That's a good point. | ||
| That's a good point. | ||
| At least it makes so little sense I can't even process it. | ||
| It also belies... | ||
| If you believed this, why is... | ||
| We've been going over his shit for like a year. | ||
| He's never talked really about how it's been a coordinated plan since the anti-war movement. | ||
| No! | ||
| Why are you bringing that in now? | ||
| This is solid riffing on his part. | ||
| This is looking for anything. | ||
| Just fucking... | ||
| Anything. | ||
| The brain force done got good to him, I think, and he is spinning. | ||
| That's just... | ||
| So let's get to the outcome of what happened from the days of the anti-war movement to the present. | ||
| And that's all been declassified as well. | ||
| Nope. | ||
| And it's in the WikiLeaks that they're losing. | ||
|
unidentified
|
Called it! | |
| Called it! | ||
| So they would go to pure race war in America. | ||
| So the idiot, racist, anti-fa, who are the racist, anti-white scum of the earth, the white people leading it, which is what I think the info law is. | ||
| You have no right to speak, kill all whites, and then up against a bunch of conservatives that just went out there to stand up and demonstrate, but with a few white supremacists leading them. | ||
| I mean, yeah, they had automatic weapons, but that's no big deal. | ||
| They were standing up to demonstrate. | ||
| To then set this precedent to have a civil emergency, and then I've been watching Fox News in the hour and a half that happened. | ||
| Stop doing that! | ||
| Every guest back there to the coffee room, I walk in as, I'm a conservative pastor, but whites are evil, and demonstrating is bad, and whites are racist. | ||
| Racism is only white, and whites are evil, and we must decry this, and all whites are bad, and we must give up the fact that America's white. | ||
| I thought that was already given up. | ||
| And we must accept that we're evil and do whatever the minority They are our God. | ||
| That makes sense. | ||
| That really means except the globalists dividing and conjuring us. | ||
| There we go! | ||
| Who didn't speak for the quote minorities. | ||
| The quote minorities. | ||
| I haven't heard him bring up the globalists yet so far. | ||
| I'm pretty excited about that. | ||
| Well, they're always behind the curtain. | ||
| At least we got past the white nationalism to get to the globalists. | ||
| I'm glad. | ||
| Well, I mean, it's stupid for us to bring up at this point 100 episodes in. | ||
| It's very clear that it's the same thing. | ||
| The globalist stuff is white nationalism and a different name. | ||
|
unidentified
|
Yep. | |
| Anti-Semitism and what have you. | ||
| So, I mean, we got that there. | ||
| It's all white shit. | ||
| It's all white shit. | ||
| Yeah, and it's all misrepresenting what people are actually saying, and it's great. | ||
| It's a lot of fun. | ||
| Is it? | ||
| It's a lot of fun for him. | ||
| I'm glad he can have this kind of fun to the detriment of everybody. | ||
| I hope he gets lit on fire. | ||
| I hope he gets fucking lit on fire. | ||
| I wonder if super male vitality is flammable. | ||
| Anyway, go ahead. | ||
| Do you understand? | ||
| Because I don't. | ||
| I don't know why my voice just did a... | ||
| A fucking Jeff Foxworthy right there. | ||
| Do you understand? | ||
|
unidentified
|
You might be a globalist. | |
| Why do these people find whiteness to be so important? | ||
| Because that's a question I've had. | ||
| Because these guys weren't... | ||
| Dan, don't you dare. | ||
| It's time for us to really get to the bottom of this. | ||
| Like only you and I can. | ||
| The answer is obvious. | ||
| I don't know why you're asking the question. | ||
| What is the answer? | ||
| Because there's a history in America of white people being the only real voice. | ||
| They're the only people who have a say in things. | ||
| And it becomes an incredibly comfortable position. | ||
| And it becomes, essentially, what is the norm? | ||
| What you're used to? | ||
| What you think you deserve? | ||
| It's what you're entitled to. | ||
| It's what our grandfathers experienced. | ||
| Just masculinity and whiteness were the default norm, and everything else has to be subservient to it. | ||
| Any needs of marginalized groups come after the needs of whites. | ||
| So, it's what we talk about a bunch in terms of... | ||
| If you're used to a super powerful position, any balancing of the equation... | ||
| Seems like an attack. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Yeah, no, and we've talked about that, and I've made that argument as well in the past, but now I'm running out of... | ||
| I'm starting to disbelieve it. | ||
| Interesting. | ||
| Because why is it that you and I, white males with all the same privileges as these fucks, And these guys aren't... | ||
| Because you look at that... | ||
| I got a quick answer. | ||
|
unidentified
|
Sure. | |
| It's because we listen. | ||
| Well, that's a big issue for us. | ||
| We've been exposed to very smart people. | ||
| We've been exposed to people of other walks of life, people who have different life experiences. | ||
| And instead of being like, well, I mean, actually, white people are the real victims. | ||
|
unidentified
|
Yeah. | |
| We've listened to the experiences that other people have, and we realize other people's humanity. | ||
| I guess. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And they don't. | ||
| I'm just struggling with buying that now. | ||
| Because the narrative for the longest time has been the same thing as in the post-Civil War Reconstruction South, right? | ||
| So you got poor white folk, you got poor black folk. | ||
| The only way that the white folk can feel good about themselves, and the only way that you can separate them so that poor folk don't... | ||
| All unite and murder the rich people, who are the root cause of all of their anger, is to say that white people are better than black people. | ||
| So even the poorest white dude can say he's better than Obama. | ||
| These people are you and I. These guys are buying shit at the Banana Republic, which has its own ironic joy. | ||
| They have no problems. | ||
| These people have zero issues. | ||
| They don't have anything to complain about it. | ||
| If it was a homeless white dude, these guys have fucking nothing. | ||
| Every part of their lives is great. | ||
| They have no issues, but they on some subconscious level realize that the absence of their issues... | ||
| is a byproduct of the fact that whiteness has played the role it has in their life. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| And I believe that the fact that they have no real issues like minorities and women have faced in terms of systematic oppression and violence directed towards them just for speaking out and stuff like that, I think they start to fear that eventually they will be in the same position that they have put people in historically. | ||
|
unidentified
|
Okay. | |
| So you think subconsciously... | ||
| Or consciously. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I'm not sure. | ||
| So this is them preemptively fighting against issues they've never had to deal with. | ||
| Yes, and that's why I think a lot of people in these groups are like, eventually we'll be a minority, and that scares them so much. | ||
| Eventually we'll have to deal with the repercussions of our actions? | ||
| Yeah, not we, but they would say, I believe, that... | ||
| Eventually, we will be on the business end of that which we have done in the past. | ||
| And I get why that would be scary. | ||
| Again, soft no on white genocide. | ||
| Softer no than it was before. | ||
| I'm just starting to lean towards the idea that this isn't anything but... | ||
| These guys don't know where to find friends. | ||
| Like, I'm starting to lean towards this is the only social group they have. | ||
| Like, the same way with Christianity. | ||
| A lot of Christians wouldn't give a fuck. | ||
| Like, don't give a fuck about the Bible, don't care about Christ. | ||
| They just don't have anything but the church. | ||
| That's all they have. | ||
| So, to me, I'm starting to get the feeling that none of this is real, and all of it is... | ||
| Depressed, lonely, white people who feel like they have nothing else going on, who feel like their lives are meaningless, and this is the only way they can find meaning. | ||
| That's you engaging in some sort of intellectual self-defense. | ||
| Because the reality is so much scarier and more painful. | ||
| That's probably true. | ||
| I think that you're rationalizing for them, and they would thank you for that. | ||
| You know what? | ||
| You're absolutely right. | ||
| That's a better position to be in, quite frankly, because it's humanizing. | ||
| You're not to blame necessarily for your actions. | ||
| You're just looking for love. | ||
| No, I'm not saying that. | ||
| You're looking for acceptance. | ||
| You're looking for something that gives your life... | ||
| A feeling of meaning, whereas the reality is a lot of these people legit fucking hate people. | ||
| Right. | ||
| I just can't believe that this many people are true and honest psychopaths. | ||
| I got bad news. | ||
| I'm just saying I read John Ronson's psychopath test and psychologists said that it's like, what? | ||
| 1%, 2% of the population is psychopaths. | ||
| And these people sure make it look like 20% of the population is pure psychopathy. | ||
| That's too high. | ||
| But at the same time, if you have that 1%, within that 1%, there's going to be, I don't know, 20% of the 1% that are incredibly charismatic and are able to lure people into their psychopathy just almost like by proxy. | ||
| Right. | ||
| You'll have, I mean, cult leader types within that 1%, and you have people who would otherwise be maybe reasonable people, maybe people who could go a different path, and unfortunately, they're now functionally psychopaths. | ||
| We're back at the Nuremberg trials. | ||
| More or less. | ||
| That's really what it is. | ||
| Like, how did so many Nazis just watch people go into an oven? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You know? | ||
| Like, that's... | ||
| That's what these people are. | ||
| That's what these people fucking are. | ||
| They're good citizens of Germany. | ||
| They're people who are putting people into ovens. | ||
| Yeah, and speaking of... | ||
| And I wish that was... | ||
| I want that to be hyperbole, Dan! | ||
| I want that to be hyperbole, and it's fucking not! | ||
| Well, yeah. | ||
| And let's just fucking move along. | ||
| I'm sorry. | ||
| We've got a long way to go. | ||
| You said I couldn't shout for this long. | ||
| I'm still going, man. | ||
| You've shouted a little. | ||
| So there was the lady who got killed by a car in 1920-something people injured. | ||
| I believe the numbers are a little bit... | ||
| They vary. | ||
| Based on sources. | ||
| But Alex sort of learns about that during this next clip and he pretends that he's well aware of it and... | ||
| Go fuck him. | ||
| I'll just be... | ||
| I'll let you know. | ||
| He minimizes it. | ||
| I can go with that and show you Fox right now. | ||
| And it's despicable how these right-wing racists showed up. | ||
| They deserve to get their asses kicked. | ||
| See, you've got to have total moral indignation. | ||
| Fox News, CNN, MSNBC, ABC, NBC, CBS, Megyn Kelly, and her failed show. | ||
| All of them coming out. | ||
| Fuck you! | ||
| You see, conservatives were bad. | ||
| They were racist because we hired 20 of them to say they were KKK. | ||
| So you can ban any protest you want in America ever by just having some white supremacist show up and be at it. | ||
| And now you can beat everybody up and have the police order you to march through and be beat up because the state and the Antifa are one of the same. | ||
| Because this is Homeland Security. | ||
| This is the governor. | ||
| This is the Democrat mayor. | ||
| This is the rogue government doing all this. | ||
| So, I mean, that's him projecting, again, because that's how he rationalizes when these alt-nights or all of these people, whenever they beat up people, it's like, well, they're... | ||
| Soros paid shills. | ||
| Right. | ||
| So he uses that same logic. | ||
| He's like, oh, well, these people, these Nazi folks, they must be there as plants. | ||
| It's nonsense. | ||
| Yeah, he's really fighting hard because... | ||
| And I think this is the big issue for Alex currently, is that... | ||
| No longer can you say anything but these guys are actual Nazis. | ||
|
unidentified
|
Yeah. | |
| Like, before you could say, oh, they're the alt-right. | ||
| They're yelling, Kyle Trump, doing Nazi salutes. | ||
| They're screaming blood and oil, or blood and soil, which is just out-and-out Nazi shit. | ||
| Before you could hide behind, oh, they're alt-right. | ||
| Or they're fucking Mike Cernovich's alt-right. | ||
| Bullshit, which is, again, he's a Nazi. | ||
| If you want to play that game, I mean, I don't think Mike Cernovich necessarily was there, but fucking Gavin McGinnis was. | ||
| So all these people who want to play the, quote, alt-light game, it's like, you're there. | ||
| You're there. | ||
| Baked Alaska was someone who was going to give a speech at this fucking Unite the Right thing. | ||
| So this is, I think, his problem is that there's no longer any delineation. | ||
| There's no longer any... | ||
| Distance between what they used to call the alt-right and Nazis. | ||
| Nothing is really gray anymore if you're actually paying attention. | ||
| It's very clear what's going on. | ||
| We are not fighting the conservative movement. | ||
| We're fighting literal Nazis. | ||
| Which is why I think it's important to recognize and appreciate the fact that there are reasonable Republican conservative-minded citizens. | ||
| Because otherwise we run the risk. | ||
| Of conflating on our own. | ||
| We run the risk of being as intellectually dishonest and simplistic as Alex is being. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| And I don't want us to ever fall into that gap. | ||
| No, you're right. | ||
| There's plenty of room for intellectual and political disagreement among adults. | ||
| There's not room for Nazis. | ||
| No, I know, and I hate you. | ||
| For making me realize that. | ||
| That's really the theme of the show. | ||
| No, I just wish I could tap into their unchecked, unhinged rage. | ||
| I can. | ||
| Because... | ||
| I mean, I don't feel it, but I get it. | ||
| No, but that's what I'm saying. | ||
| From reading all the stuff on these message boards and shit like that. | ||
| That's what I'm saying. | ||
| I think I kind of understand it pretty well, and it's... | ||
| It's childish. | ||
| That's what I'm saying. | ||
| That's the thing that you and I don't get to do. | ||
| These people... | ||
| You scream all the time. | ||
| I know, but a literal Nazi murdered Heather Heyer. | ||
| However you pronounce her name, I haven't heard it pronounced out loud yet, so I don't know and I can't get it right. | ||
| That is her name. | ||
| She was murdered. | ||
| By a Nazi. | ||
| She is quite literally a victim of World War II. | ||
| Like, this is the world that we're in. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And I don't get to... | ||
| Like, I don't get to experience that level of unhinged hatred that they do. | ||
| No, but now we have to be the opposite. | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| That's our job now. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I want to combat them on their level. | ||
| In the same way that during the campaign. | ||
| Honestly, that's what we have Antifa for. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Quote frankly. | ||
| Antifa. | ||
| To fight against the Infowah. | ||
| Infowahs. | ||
| It's that same during the campaign. | ||
| It's like when they go low, we go high. | ||
| And it's like, maybe we should have been... | ||
| Maybe there's some way for us to go low. | ||
| Not you and I. No, I know. | ||
| We don't want to start lying and creating false narratives. | ||
| No, I don't want to do that. | ||
| We don't want to become propaganda in and of ourselves. | ||
| But I do agree with you in the sense that I'd like to see some people dirtying the water a little bit. | ||
| No, I... | ||
| Not engaging in propaganda, but I don't see a lot of problems with beating up Nazis. | ||
| I don't. | ||
| I feel like at a certain point, we made peace with Germany. | ||
| We didn't make peace with Nazis. | ||
| We're still at war with Nazis. | ||
| Weirdly, Alex Jones is totally cool with Nazis and hates Angela Merkel. | ||
| So, again, we made peace with Germany. | ||
| Germany made peace with us. | ||
| Nazis didn't give up World War II in the same way that the Confederates didn't give up the Civil War. | ||
|
unidentified
|
Nope. | |
| And that dovetails into this whole event. | ||
| It's the same thing. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So let's get to the point where the Carr murder... | ||
| It seems like all the people who lost wars against America are still trying. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Seems like they're winning right now. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| It's going to be a bad season. | ||
| But be that as it may, here we're going to get to the point where the car murder actually comes up. | ||
| And the Bears aren't going to do well either this year. | ||
| And then saying, within 30 minutes of it, if Trump doesn't decry this, he's part of it. | ||
| So Trump comes out, obviously he says, yeah, I'll decry it. | ||
| Something new here? | ||
|
unidentified
|
There's apparently a car that drove through protesters. | |
| Oh yeah, there was a car that drove through protesters, yeah. | ||
|
unidentified
|
People are commenting saying this. | |
| Well, the car did it. | ||
| I mean, this is like what Muslims do. | ||
| Fuck you! | ||
|
unidentified
|
It looks like he drove through the Antifa. | |
| Yeah, it was six injured. | ||
|
unidentified
|
Nope. | |
| Well, I mean, the Antifa doesn't get bad when Muslims do it. | ||
| I don't care if it was a conservative attacking liberals or liberals attacking conservatives. | ||
| It's stupid. | ||
| It's wrong. | ||
| It's bad. | ||
| Fuck you. | ||
| Fuck you. | ||
| Yeah, I saw that. | ||
| I meant to even comment on that. | ||
| That's what they want. | ||
| They want to trigger the civil unrest. | ||
| I've been telling everybody it's coming. | ||
| I've been telling you they're going to start saying kill Trump. | ||
| They're going to build it and say it's his fault and then kill him. | ||
| And then bring in martial law. | ||
| Because they're pissed, they're upset. | ||
| And Millie Weaver's going to be live. | ||
| She witnessed it where the police took the mainline demonstrators and press and then forced them in front and then marched them through to be attacked. | ||
| All staged, all set up. | ||
| You show up, the cops go, your designated demonstration place is down that way. | ||
| Again, that goes back to permits. | ||
| But I'd like to get into now this gentleman, which is being way too fair to him, by the name of James Alex Fields Jr. | ||
| He is the person who's been arrested. | ||
| He's the guy who murdered that girl? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| He's the guy who murdered Heather Heyer. | ||
| And it's kind of interesting what you can learn from looking at pictures of him from that day. | ||
| Because he was out protesting in the uniform of Vanguard America. | ||
| The khakis and the white polo. | ||
| Vanguard America has said that he is not part of their organization. | ||
| Bullshit! | ||
| He is also pictured carrying one of their shields. | ||
| With their logo on it. | ||
| They have shields? | ||
| Don't tell me that. | ||
| With their logo. | ||
| And so there is a lot of indications that he was affiliated with them in some way. | ||
| Whether or not he was a leader in the group or whatever, it's kind of irrelevant. | ||
| I don't believe that if you're at a demonstration like this, you'd be carrying some group you're not down with shield around when you have a bunch of pictures taken with you. | ||
| Especially when you end up ramming your car through a bunch of people. | ||
| You're probably a very radical person. | ||
| I did a little looking into Vanguard America. | ||
| They're an interesting organization. | ||
| And by interesting, I mean incredibly boring. | ||
| I doubt that. | ||
| It sounds to me more like they're a large group of cowards. | ||
| They're not actually that large. | ||
| Okay, fine. | ||
| They're a small group of cowards. | ||
| They're smallish, but they have cells, let's say, in a bunch of states throughout America. | ||
| Like the fucking Proud Boys. | ||
| Or ISIS. | ||
| Yeah, you know, it's interesting that we've made this point in the past that ISIS does not scare me at all. | ||
| No. | ||
| It is white supremacist groups who are essentially ISIS. | ||
| Well, in the past couple weeks, people have asked me a number of times what I think is going to happen. | ||
| And for every indication that I can tell and the way things seem to be going, I think we're going to see essentially an ISIS-like insurgency rise up. | ||
| You're going to see a lot of this loosely affiliated groups of Nazis and white nationalists that are going to start... | ||
| Bombing stuff. | ||
| They're going to start doing a lot of really fucked up stuff. | ||
| I think that's what's going to happen. | ||
| I'm not entirely sure, and if I'm wrong, I'll be glad to be wrong. | ||
| I think the scary part is... | ||
| I don't know which side our military and our National Guard and all of those people are going to be on. | ||
| We've got to hope for the best. | ||
| Like the most recent report I've read is that the FBI has been investigating all of the white nationalist infiltration of our law enforcement. | ||
| Right. | ||
|
unidentified
|
In the same way that the Scientologists infiltrated the IRS. | |
| I think that there obviously is some infiltration, but I do believe that it's not as bad as we might be afraid it is. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| We'll find out. | ||
| Yeah, we will. | ||
| We'll find out real hard. | ||
| You can go to Vanguard America's website. | ||
| They have a website, and published on it is their manifesto. | ||
| The Protocols of the Elders of Zion? | ||
| There's overlap. | ||
| Yeah, I bet. | ||
| I fucking bet. | ||
| With groups like this, whenever Alex wants to talk about them being fake and what have you... | ||
| You gotta look at their history. | ||
| They've existed for quite a while, and they legit do have a manifesto of what they believe in, very publicly available. | ||
| And there are very strong indications that this James Alex Fields Jr. was at least in some way involved with them. | ||
| So it is worth our time to look at the manifesto, and so I read it, and I have some quotes from it that, see if this sounds like Alex Jones. | ||
| Okay! | ||
| This is a fun game show. | ||
| The damage done to this nation and its people will not be fixed if every issue requires a vote, if every point must be debated, discussed, and deliberated upon. | ||
| Democracy has failed in this once great nation. | ||
| Now, for the time of a new Caesar, to revive the American spirit has dawned. | ||
| That's a light tyranny. | ||
| They're okay with a little bit of tyranny. | ||
| Right. | ||
| You know, there's not enough time to, like, have everybody make a decision. | ||
| No, you gotta have a little bit of tyranny. | ||
| You need a strong man, like Trump. | ||
| Or Putin. | ||
| Or Caesar. | ||
| So, that's sort of similar. | ||
| It's not quite, like, on the head. | ||
| It's not a bullseye. | ||
| An America based on the immutable truths of blood and soil. | ||
| A multicultural nation is no nation at all, but a collection of smaller ethnic nations ruled over by an overbearing tyrannical state. | ||
| Our America is to be a nation exclusively for white American peoples, who out of the barren hills, empty plains, and vast mountains, forged the most powerful nation to have ever existed. | ||
| That's bullshit. | ||
| That's ahistorical bullshit. | ||
| But at the same time, it is very similar to prosperity coming back and what have you. | ||
| Making America great again. | ||
| Eurasian Union. | ||
| West. | ||
| The West. | ||
| The West. | ||
| Vanguard America stands indomitably opposed to the tyranny of globalism. | ||
| That's in their manifesto. | ||
| Great! | ||
| Great! | ||
| I don't know if I... | ||
| I love it, Dan! | ||
| I'm not sure if I actually said this, but the manifesto is titled American Fascism. | ||
| So that's great. | ||
| The ideal structure of a family is one which... | ||
| Oh, fuck you, Dan! | ||
| ...is one in which a hard-working father and nurturing mother instill strong values in the children of our nation. | ||
| This family structure is, and has proven to be, the strongest core foundation for any nation. | ||
| And thus, any assault on the family must be met with swift and decisive action. | ||
| Alex Jones always talks about how people are trying to destroy the family. | ||
| Trying to outlaw mother and father, boy and girl. | ||
| These fucking purple penguins will not shut up about how much they love the family. | ||
| What a bunch of fucking snowflake cowards. | ||
| You know, at least, I love that the Vanguard, whatever the fuck their goddamn name is, the murderers, the murderers of Heather Heyer, whichever it is, I love that they don't even have the balls of ISIS to claim this. | ||
| They do. | ||
| They said that he wasn't part of their... | ||
| Oh, claim him. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| They said he wasn't part of it. | ||
| That is cowardly. | ||
| Fucking ISIS might as well come out and claim that he was one of them. | ||
| Yeah, I mean... | ||
| That'd be fucking hilarious. | ||
| All these terrorist organizations do even take credit for things they didn't do. | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| Fucking ISIS, come out and claim that he's your dude. | ||
| He's killing the people you want to kill! | ||
| But that speaks to the sort of cowardly hiding of these people. | ||
| And that's why they've existed online for a long time and are only now starting to creep their toes into actually public shit. | ||
| It's because they are fearful. | ||
| And they do realize that if they do claim him, they're getting shut down. | ||
| Not with this Justice Department, but like... | ||
| Yeah, I'm glad that our Justice Department is led by one of their fucking people! | ||
| I mean, they are going to... | ||
| Sessions did say that they're going to investigate. | ||
| Yeah, fuck you, Sessions. | ||
| Thrilled. | ||
| Yeah, thanks, Sessions. | ||
| I'm glad that you're fucking on the case, you white nationalist piece of shit. | ||
| Thrilled to see where that ends up. | ||
| I'm happy that Mitch McConnell is on the fucking case. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's never a great time when Paul Ryan gets to sound reasonable. | ||
| But I'm not done with this manifesto yet. | ||
| Americans should strive for a truly national economy. | ||
| An economy that is self-contained and free from the influence of international corporations, led by rootless groups of international Jews, which place profit beyond the interest of our people or any people. | ||
| Globalists! | ||
| Globalists! | ||
| Protocols of the Elders of Zion! | ||
| These guys are PEZ dispensers! | ||
| Yeah, they are. | ||
| The large multinational corporations that have bled this nation dry will not be allowed to continue their detrimental efforts unabated. | ||
| Once they're brought to heel, our currency will no longer be manipulated on the whims of the vested few. | ||
| Our jobs and industry will not be exported to foreign nations, and the media and entertainment industries will no longer be allowed to poison the minds of our people. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| That sounds very Alex Jones-y. | ||
| Sure. | ||
|
unidentified
|
Looks like they guys are InfoWars. | |
| I know that Alex would never want to look into this stuff because, again, it would be terrifying to look into the mirror and realize that these people who are out there and are Nazis believe the same... | ||
| And are InfoWarriors. | ||
| They believe the same shit as you. | ||
| That is tough. | ||
| That's gotta be tough. | ||
| And so instead of wrestling with that reality and being like... | ||
| Maybe a lot of the stuff I believe is not healthy, is not good, isn't based on reality. | ||
| Instead of that, you're just like, oh, well, the Southern Poverty Law Center, they're a bunch of evil fucks and they just set all this up. | ||
| Soros! | ||
| Soros! | ||
| They're just trying to demonize reasonable conservatives and bring it to you. | ||
|
unidentified
|
Soros! | |
| Black Lives Matter wrote these, Dan. | ||
| Black Lives Matter. | ||
| It's a false flag. | ||
| It's Soros. | ||
| Oh, the website and the manifesto is a false flag? | ||
|
unidentified
|
False flag! | |
| Great. | ||
| Come on, Dan! | ||
| I'm exhausted already. | ||
| We have so much to get through. | ||
| We are, let's see, six clips in out of 20. I think that means I need to be silent for the next eight clips. | ||
| Yeah, shut the fuck up. | ||
| Otherwise we're going to be at six hours. | ||
| Yeah, so here, this is this next... | ||
| Two clips are another one of our patented Shot and Chaser. | ||
| Oh, boy. | ||
| So here's the first one where he talks about, it's mostly about how Antifa sucks, and then he discusses various cities. | ||
| You march through, the Antifa suck with clubs, wait, and they've all been told, wait, they're all coordinated. | ||
| You get down there, they start attacking, they declare emergency, and the cops go, all right, you can't come back through here to women, children, you name it. | ||
| Go that way. | ||
| And waiting is the Antifa right there, and the cops stand down and let the cowardly Antifa sit there. | ||
| Because, I mean, you know, and they're with their bike locks, their daggers, and then people got pissed who made it. | ||
| That's why it happened after. | ||
| See how they're triggering it? | ||
| People get forced through. | ||
| Daggers. | ||
| Yeah, I was going to say. | ||
| They get forced through and get attacked. | ||
| Somebody flips out and goes against the car. | ||
| Are they Valyrian steel? | ||
| And that's the plan, though. | ||
| Trigger the violence because you can't stop. | ||
| The legitimate free speech. | ||
| You can't beat cutting taxes, securing the border. | ||
| What the fuck are you talking about? | ||
| But again, Deep State, the Islamists, Hillary, Obama. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| All the rest are usual suspects. | ||
| They're failed. | ||
| Policy of appeasing an army North Korea. | ||
| All the chickens are coming home to roost by these losers. | ||
| And so they want to overturn the whole thing in civil war and civil insurrection using the towns and the cities they control. | ||
| Why was Cleveland okay? | ||
| Because it was a Rust Belt, liberal, conservative area, blue-collar folks that wanted America back again. | ||
| And they understood the score, and they weren't going to let this crap go on. | ||
| So they had a good agenda. | ||
| And it was a pro-free speech for everybody, and it went well. | ||
| So, that... | ||
| Wait, what? | ||
| Let's ignore the rest of the stuff at the beginning, because it was a bunch of boring nonsense. | ||
| Redo the bottom. | ||
| What was the Ohio... | ||
| He's talking about Cleveland. | ||
| He's talking about the RNC. | ||
| Why does he think that... | ||
| He's talking about the RNC, because it was like a Republican city, so it wasn't at the sway of these globalists and what have you. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| So he's saying that, you know, hey, when you go down to a place like Charlottesville in Virginia, you've got a Democratic mayor, it's going to be fucking messy. | ||
| They're going to set you up. | ||
| But in Cleveland, because they just want prosperity, it's Rust Belt, it's totally fine. | ||
| Now listen to this from maybe ten minutes later. | ||
| So the police chief stood down, they all stood down again. | ||
| Just like when I was at the RNC, Republicans weren't violent, Democrats were. | ||
| Okay, well there you go. | ||
| You just said at the RNC in Cleveland, the police stood down. | ||
| It was the exact same thing. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| No, the reason it was different was because it was the same. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Doesn't that make sense? | ||
|
unidentified
|
No. | |
| I don't understand why you have a problem with this, Dan. | ||
| Because he's just scatting. | ||
| The reason it was different was because it was the same. | ||
| He's scatting. | ||
| He's just saying nonsense. | ||
| This is bullshit. | ||
| He's not even keeping track of what the points he wants to make are. | ||
| God, he needs a writing staff. | ||
| Totally. | ||
| But then again, I do like the fact that he's got nothing and he has no writing staff. | ||
| Because unlike these fucking piles of shit... | ||
| Republican Paul Ryans and those fucks. | ||
| Rhinos. | ||
| Who have the writing staff put together this well-worded, we don't believe anything so everybody can believe whatever they want statements. | ||
| He has to come out and lay bare how much nothing he has about how the fact that he's a fucking Nazi he is. | ||
| It's pretty fascinating on a lot of levels. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| If you had Trump or Paul Ryan or Mitch McConnell just talk... | ||
| For three hours? | ||
| Yeah, they would reveal exactly how awful and horrible and racist they are. | ||
| Totally. | ||
| These guys are the same white nationalists. | ||
| Or they would just reveal how little they give a shit about any human being and all they want is fucking tax cuts for the rich. | ||
| And I think that if you had them just spitting nonsense for hours on end on a hot mic... | ||
| One of the things he would reveal is they don't really know anything. | ||
| No, they don't care. | ||
| Like, Trump can't do more than, I don't know, ten minutes in a press conference without it being abundantly clear that you're just saying stuff. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You don't really have a writing staff that's giving you good lines, but at the same time... | ||
| You're just saying, like, there was that one not too long ago, there was a lady who asked, like a reporter, who asked him what his stance on Hezbollah was, and he's like, we will be talking about that tomorrow. | ||
| It's like, it's so fucking clear that that is code for, I don't know. | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| I don't know who they are. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, it's unfortunate that we're on... | ||
| Like, during the Bush, the GW years, we were at least a little bit confused as to where we were on the stupid versus evil axis. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Now we're very clear that we're on the stupid side of evil. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Like, if we're talking about stupid evil axis, we're all the way up on stupid and evil at the same time. | ||
| That weird corner. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| So, you know, he talks about cities there in that last two clips. | ||
| He contradicts himself, which is delightful. | ||
| But now he gets into how you've got to stay out of liberal cities. | ||
| And he has a few thoughts about that. | ||
| Oh, we're dangerous. | ||
| And then he gets into how... | ||
| He's already mentioned it. | ||
| Fox is a mess. | ||
| That's true. | ||
| That's true. | ||
| And so he decides he's going to do some... | ||
| Unfortunately, I agree with Alex today. | ||
| He's going to do some on-air analysis of what's going on on Fox. | ||
| Oh, now that I'm excited about. | ||
| But I'm telling folks, I get wanting to march into Democrat cities and do this. | ||
| They'll let the Antifa do whatever they want because they're the establishment. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| They're just the folks that are hiring $100 a day that want to go beat up somebody because they're a racist. | ||
| Nope. | ||
| I mean, I'm not being mean to short, folks. | ||
| They're all like five-foot-tall methods. | ||
| What is that shit? | ||
| Millie Weaver's got a lot of teeth about to come up. | ||
| Infowars.com. | ||
| Yes, we're covering all this as it unfolds. | ||
| Yes, I knew about the car. | ||
| Injuring seven people. | ||
| That means you died. | ||
|
unidentified
|
It doesn't get more obvious than it means the opposite. | |
| I want to cut in there real quick, because that is worth us mentioning. | ||
| It goes back to what he even... | ||
| And yes, obviously, I knew about the car, is code for, of course I didn't know about the car. | ||
| I was blindsided by this car. | ||
| I'm a fucking idiot, yeah. | ||
| But that goes back to even something he admitted in that Megyn Kelly interview when he was talking about how he covered the Manchester bombing, where he just got on air before he knew any of the facts and assumed that these were liberal trendies that got bombed and shit like that. | ||
| It's the exact same thing. | ||
| That's what he's doing here. | ||
| That is his fucking move. | ||
| That is his MO, is just to let the mouth go really fast and then hope that the facts back him up, and they never do. | ||
| And when they don't, he just ignores the fact that he was wrong. | ||
| And pretends like, well, I was kind of right. | ||
| And it doesn't matter. | ||
|
unidentified
|
Nope. | |
| That's, oh, God. | ||
| That's one of the big reasons he's not a journalist. | ||
| Dan, I want words to have meaning. | ||
| Too bad. | ||
| Anyway, back to the clip. | ||
| Names, who their moms were, who their dads were, everything about them. | ||
| And there'll be nothing about folks run over by Muslims. | ||
| Because, again, it's how the left seizes. | ||
| And you had the guy go in in South Carolina and shoot nine innocent people. | ||
| That's what caused, oh, whites are all guilty, whites are all bad. | ||
| I know you are, but what am I? | ||
| I know you are, but what am I? | ||
| The devil's a white man with the corporate media pushing it. | ||
|
unidentified
|
Nope. | |
| But then when Antifa kills people or Muslims kill people or whatever, then it's no news. | ||
| So that's what we're going to do here. | ||
| What the fuck are you talking about? | ||
| And they started this whole monument thing out of that, see? | ||
| And then you've got to say your collective guilt. | ||
| You've got to say it's your fault now. | ||
| And Fox News, let's just go see what Fox News is doing. | ||
| Let's just go see what Fox News is doing. | ||
| I actually am interested to see that. | ||
| Every time I go in there, it is just, it is just pure, absolute coffee room. | ||
| Somebody shoots somebody. | ||
| It's all gun owners' fault. | ||
| Okay? | ||
| So again, I told you they were going to stage this. | ||
| And meanwhile, North Korea and all this other stuff's out of control. | ||
| These are globalists trying to push this. | ||
| Here we go. | ||
| So he takes the camera, which obviously is like an iPhone. | ||
|
unidentified
|
An iPhone, yeah. | |
| But he takes the guy who's recording it. | ||
| It's a GoPro. | ||
| And they go into... | ||
| Attached to fucking Buckley's head. | ||
| It's not Buckley. | ||
| He just grabs Buckley's head and just drags him into the room. | ||
| It's not Buckley. | ||
| If I had to guess, it might be Adan Salazar or something like that. | ||
| It's one of those dudes. | ||
| But they go into the other room where they have the TV that Fox is playing on in the coffee room. | ||
| And I don't know if you can pick up on this from the audio. | ||
| But most of the time, the video of it is on the TV. | ||
| But you can hear cabinets opening and closing. | ||
| I think he wanted a snack. | ||
|
unidentified
|
I think he's in the middle of the video. | |
| And there's also a part where I found... | ||
| You can hear him saying things to the camera person. | ||
| Through some Ritz crackers. | ||
| It's incredibly light, and he thinks he's whispering inaudibly, but he's like, take over. | ||
| So maybe that's when he's going to chew on a Sammy. | ||
|
unidentified
|
Yeah. | |
| But it's so weird. | ||
| It's so weird. | ||
| The cabinet's opening and closing. | ||
| I've got some salami. | ||
| It's so obvious that he's like, I got nothing. | ||
| I'm going to go see what Fox News is doing. | ||
| See if I can yell at them a bit. | ||
|
unidentified
|
Yeah. | |
| So I didn't keep in all of this because it goes on for a long time. | ||
|
unidentified
|
Right. | |
| And the audio is really terrible. | ||
| And this was just an hour long. | ||
| Special report. | ||
| Breaking special. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So the audio is really terrible of the Fox News people, so I didn't keep a ton of that in, but he does say some stuff that's worth us jumping in. | ||
| This first one is about how everyone wants Trump to say the names of these groups. | ||
| He wants everyone to expect him to be really specific in his condemnation. | ||
| So here we go. | ||
| Oh, we must name the group. | ||
| That's the alt-right. | ||
| When it wasn't the alt-right. | ||
| See, this is breaking Trump's base off. | ||
| You have to say radical Islamist. | ||
| Oh my God, anybody that's alt-right. | ||
| You have to say radical Islamic terrorism. | ||
|
unidentified
|
Anybody that protests the left, your white supremacist. | |
| And notice Fox has made this turn to get disinfo. | ||
| Great. | ||
| They've made a turn to disinfo. | ||
| They've made a turn to disinfo. | ||
| Right. | ||
| You picked up on that immediately. | ||
| The point of that is... | ||
| You have to say radical Islamists. | ||
| I mean, even Trump has fucking said it. | ||
| You gotta say it. | ||
|
unidentified
|
Yeah. | |
| You gotta say the name. | ||
| This is so... | ||
| That's... | ||
| Again... | ||
| It's so weird. | ||
| They revel in not giving a shit about hypocrisy. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You and I both care so much about some sort of ideological consistency to the point where I... | ||
| Against my will, admit that you are right. | ||
| About some conservatives being okay. | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| Against my will! | ||
| And it doesn't matter to them. | ||
| No. | ||
| How do you fight them? | ||
| If I were crazy... | ||
| We're fighting on a different battlefield. | ||
| How do you fight? | ||
| Well, I want to say this. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| But also... | ||
| Full stop. | ||
| If I were crazy, like Alex, I would say that what he's doing is a form of lesser magic. | ||
| Where he knows he's contradicting himself and being a complete hypocrite, and he's doing it to rub it in your face. | ||
|
unidentified
|
Because at that point, nothing's real and I can get away with anything. | |
| Right. | ||
| That's some Sarah Kenzie or, like, that's what fascists always want you to do is show you how little they care. | ||
| Yeah, it's essentially like an institutional version of gaslighting. | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| I care very much while your actions belie that you don't care at all. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That sort of shit. | ||
| But yeah, so that's dumb. | ||
| So dumb. | ||
| Now we get into this next part where he starts his tirade about the Southern Poverty Law Center. | ||
| Oh good, I'm glad we finally got to them. | ||
| Yelling, "Hail Trump!" I mean, what kind of message? | ||
| Totally staged! | ||
| Talk about Southern Poverty Law Center. | ||
| Talk about ADL. | ||
| The Southern Poverty Law Center has been caught running entire white supremacist compounds like Elohim City and Oklahoma City. | ||
| How many times are the swastikas put up on the left and they get caught? | ||
| And I even said that earlier, see? | ||
| Oh my gosh, the evil, racist white people, but statistically, they're 12 times more likely not to commit crime. | ||
| Also, there's two important things in there. | ||
| When he says that the Southern Poverty Law Center was running Elohim City, which was an organization that Timothy McVeigh was involved with before he ended up bombing the Murrah building. | ||
| Yeah, I recall his lies about that. | ||
| We talked about that in the past, but just to re-up on that, they had a plant inside the Elohim City, which was a fucking huge anti-government white supremacist organization. | ||
| They didn't run it. | ||
| It's important. | ||
| It's important to know what these fucking groups are doing. | ||
| The FBI has plants in a lot of these white nationalist militias for good reason. | ||
| Or even terrorist groups. | ||
| Right. | ||
|
unidentified
|
It's important to get the information of what they're up to. | |
| Right, right, right. | ||
| And they're not going to, unlike these dum-dums in the Vanguard America, they're not just going to post it on a website somewhere what they're actually up to. | ||
| Well, and in the... | ||
| I mean, sometimes this is a good thing, and sometimes they use their plant to murder Fred Hampton. | ||
| I don't believe that they're good people because they are watching this shit, but it's... | ||
| You would rather have them watching than not watching, I suppose. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| That whole thing is so complex and ridiculous. | ||
| I have a tough time believing that the Southern Poverty Law Center is involved in planning bombings and stuff like that. | ||
| Oh no, I buy that. | ||
| That one I buy. | ||
| Whatever. | ||
| That one I'm in on. | ||
| The other possibly more important piece is there at the end when he's talking about... | ||
| What world is the Southern Poverty Law Center so nefarious as to pull that shit off? | ||
| Alex Land. | ||
| That's like the ACLU has plants inside of fucking ISIS making sure that they... | ||
| Wait a second, Dan. | ||
| Do they? | ||
| Have you been listening to Infowars? | ||
| I'm telling you. | ||
| That sounds very similar. | ||
| I know ISIS is fighting a lot of free speech issues. | ||
| You know how that's going on. | ||
| ISIS has sued a lot of people for those sorts of issues. | ||
|
unidentified
|
Oh, yeah. | |
| People having their First Amendment trampled on. | ||
| Oh, no. | ||
| ISIS is always the first people with a briefcase heading into court. | ||
| Oh, whenever there was that Muslim ban, I recall ISIS being there looking up the statutes that keep that from going on. | ||
| Totally. | ||
| ISIS always files briefs. | ||
| Everybody knows this. | ||
| So the other thing in that clip I wanted to pull out, yeah, that's... | ||
| I think really important is, at the end there, he's talking about, like, oh, these evil whites, when in reality, white people are less likely to commit a crime, blah, blah, blah. | ||
| Twelve times. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Twelve times. | ||
| Where does he get that? | ||
| Well, he also juggles that around. | ||
| Sometimes he says 15. He's clearly not referencing a real statistic, or he doesn't understand it. | ||
| But also, in the past, he's very clearly said that he understands that there are reporting issues and that crimes that white people commit are often... | ||
| And I know from my own personal life, there are so many times that if I was black, I would have been arrested as a child. | ||
| Oh, of course. | ||
| Like breaking into places or trying to get on roofs of buildings. | ||
| Even Alex knows that. | ||
| Alex has pointed out that the reason he hasn't been arrested is because of a white nationalist. | ||
| A Nazi cop that pulled him over. | ||
| How does he not... | ||
| No, not how. | ||
| How does he bring it up? | ||
| Because if you had any inkling of intelligence, you would just let that one go. | ||
| Well, he knows his audience doesn't keep track of these things and they're inclined to pity white people. | ||
| It'd be on that side, so he doesn't really give a shit. | ||
| It doesn't matter if he's already negated his own point on his own show that's still available online. | ||
| It doesn't matter. | ||
| That's true. | ||
| It's lesser magic. | ||
| Can we burn him as a warlock? | ||
| Has anybody considered this possible? | ||
| Again, it's gonna come down to whether or not super male vitality is flammable. | ||
| I would love it if it wasn't. | ||
| He self-immolated. | ||
|
unidentified
|
Like, if some sort of protest just covers himself in super male. | |
| Somebody accidentally flicks a cigarette towards him and he just goes up in flames. | ||
| Just sweating super male vitality. | ||
| So this next clip, Alex explains, you know, a lot of people probably think he's psychic. | ||
| But... | ||
|
unidentified
|
What? | |
| People ask, how am I predicting this as we analyze this Fox News propaganda? | ||
| They do the same damn playbook every time! | ||
| And she doesn't even know it's a playbook! | ||
| So he's not psychic. | ||
| And also, that strikes me as, like, that people ask me this. | ||
| That's such a fucking bullshit thing. | ||
| Have you ever listened to Paul Stanley's album of stage patter? | ||
| The lead singer of Kiss? | ||
| You have talked to me about this album in the past, and of course I haven't. | ||
| He constantly starts things like, people come up to me and they say, Paul, I say what? | ||
| Stuff like that. | ||
| He does all this... | ||
| He just needs an excuse to say what he wants to say. | ||
| He gets into a story by pretending that people always come up to him and ask, Paul, do you have a big dick? | ||
| And I say, yes, I do. | ||
| That sort of shit. | ||
| It's that level of stuff. | ||
| And when I see that rhetorical trick being... | ||
| I like that. | ||
| That's a little fun mixed in with this nonsense. | ||
| So, this next clip, it's more just about the car murder, and he wants to spin it to be like... | ||
| Did you read that he's only been charged with second-degree murder? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And a bunch of other charges, but not first-degree murder. | ||
| He should be charged with first-degree... | ||
| He should be charged with hate crime. | ||
| He should be charged with terrorism. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Like, this is... | ||
| There's no... | ||
| Well, then again... | ||
| But he can't be charged with terrorism because Trump made the terrorism task forces only about Islam. | ||
| Yeah, that's true. | ||
| So, great. | ||
| This is one of those things where you're, like, as... | ||
| Disgusted with America as I am, I halfway cynically believe that a grand jury wouldn't even indict him. | ||
| For the first degree? | ||
| Well, for fucking... | ||
| You lessen the charges in order to make sure you actually get a conviction? | ||
|
unidentified
|
Something like that? | |
| That's possible. | ||
| I mean, that's sad, but... | ||
| I'm so disgusted with this. | ||
| Anyway. | ||
| Soft no. | ||
| Soft no, Dan. | ||
| Here's more disgusting. | ||
|
unidentified
|
And then once he... | |
| Notice, they won't show the car running over people here when it's Muslims, though. | ||
| Yeah, they do. | ||
| See, now you're allowed to see it. | ||
| You showed a journalist being murdered live on your fucking show. | ||
| We gotta ban them! | ||
| We gotta ban them! | ||
| They don't ban the Muslims coming in. | ||
| Ban the cars. | ||
| But see, now they're saying it. | ||
| So one of the things that he's doing here... | ||
| Nobody's saying ban the cars. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| No one's saying that. | ||
| Ban the cars! | ||
| No one's saying that. | ||
| Get rid of the guns. | ||
| Get rid of the cars. | ||
| The actual conversation that was going on in the Fox News that he was watching was that it is incredibly scary and impossible to regulate when you use cars as a weapon. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Because... | ||
| Well, Dan, I have some laws for you in multiple states about how you should be allowed to hit... | ||
| Protesters with your fucking car. | ||
| Well, because they're blocking traffic. | ||
| They're getting in the way! | ||
| They're getting in the way of commerce. | ||
| No, that's not a crime! | ||
| No, it's commercial terrorism. | ||
| They're in your fucking way! | ||
| Protesting is commercial terrorism because they're not letting you make your deliveries or getting to your job or whatever. | ||
| Dan, my First Amendment rights allow me to hit people with cars. | ||
| Right. | ||
| They're being disruptive. | ||
| But be that as it may, what I'm glomming onto here is that Alex does this great thing where... | ||
| He knows that the audio isn't good of the Fox News stuff, so he just gets to yell whatever he wants. | ||
| Right. | ||
| He gets to pretend that he's responding to something on the Fox News, and they're like, ah, this is the propaganda. | ||
| It's the same thing he does whenever he pretends to listen to an interview, and he's like, stop this clip. | ||
| Stop this clip right here. | ||
| I need to get in. | ||
| I need to go back 10 seconds. | ||
| Look at how, look at this fucking, look at his face. | ||
| He's so fat. | ||
| He's so fat, and he's so ugly. | ||
| Look at his fucking face. | ||
| He's mad he doesn't get women. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Mr. Creepy over here. | ||
|
unidentified
|
Exactly. | |
| Yeah, this guy. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So in this next clip, Alex, he believes that the... | ||
| See, I'm letting us run through the clips now, Dan. | ||
| We got to. | ||
| I'm a good... | ||
| We're at an hour 45, bro. | ||
| I'm a patriot. | ||
| That's what I'm doing right now. | ||
| You're holding like a patriot. | ||
| In this next clip, Alex wants to talk about what he thinks is really going on. | ||
| Yeah, absolutely. | ||
| I mean, at some point... | ||
|
unidentified
|
Where is it from protesting peacefully? | |
| See? | ||
| What's the name of the video? | ||
| Ban protest! | ||
|
unidentified
|
Woo! | |
| Told ya! | ||
| How's that? | ||
| Oh, how's that for your fake news? | ||
| I told you the talking points. | ||
|
unidentified
|
I told y 'all on RTJ1! | |
| I told y 'all on RTJ2! | ||
| Tucker Carlson told me point blank, he's banned from coming on my show, I'm banned from coming on airs. | ||
|
unidentified
|
Fine. | |
| Wait, is Tucker Carlson? | ||
| You're going to get a felony if you're a conservative and go out in public. | ||
| God damn it, I wish. | ||
| The Antifa is going to beat you up and get away with it. | ||
| Told you! | ||
| Look at the name of the video, folks. | ||
| The name of the video is about basically how they're going to try and ban protest. | ||
| What they were discussing in the Fox News clip before he got on his I told you and then tried to do a Ric Flair impression. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Woo! | ||
| What they were talking about was... | ||
| It becomes an interesting line where protesting stops and violence starts. | ||
| And that is a conversation we're going to need to have sooner than later because it's going to keep happening. | ||
| I mean, the problem... | ||
| It goes back to the legal definition of unlawful assembly. | ||
| You can't bring people together if you essentially are trying to start a riot. | ||
| Or you have a reasonable expectation that you know you're going to start a riot. | ||
| That's not okay. | ||
| I don't know how to engage with that. | ||
| I don't either. | ||
| It's very complicated. | ||
| Because that's been used so oppressively. | ||
| Totally. | ||
| That's Ferguson. | ||
| How many times have you seen riot police fucking take down somebody unarmed, not doing anything, literally peacefully protesting? | ||
| And you look at the way that the police have treated this, and they haven't done shit. | ||
| Not much. | ||
| They haven't fucking done shit. | ||
| But that's why I'm coming to the point that I am, that I'm saying that there is a line. | ||
| And if we had a much more adult, reasonable conversation about what is protesting, what is demonstrating, and what is incitement... | ||
| I think it would serve everyone's purposes. | ||
| But because Alex Jones is a dum-dum... | ||
| Yeah, but we won't have that conversation, will we? | ||
| Nope. | ||
| And because Alex Jones is an idiot and he wants to defend his Nazi buddies, essentially, is what's going on, he pretends that, well, aha, I got you! | ||
| What you're doing is you want to ban protest. | ||
| You want to say that conservatives can't have any kind of a protest. | ||
| And that's not true. | ||
| Conservatives can have the protests that they want to have. | ||
| Just don't bring fucking automatic weapons! | ||
| Well, I mean, I'm even okay with that in certain circumstances. | ||
| Really? | ||
| Yeah, I think it's okay. | ||
| I'm not. | ||
| I'm not. | ||
| This is where we're... | ||
|
unidentified
|
You have the right to have guns. | |
| That is true. | ||
| Now, you're looking at me like you don't like that. | ||
| I don't like that. | ||
| I've already established that I am no longer in the... | ||
| I do want to take their guns away. | ||
| Open carry is legal. | ||
| Unequivocally, I want to take their guns away. | ||
| Open carry is legal. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Responsible gun ownership is something that does exist in the country. | ||
| As much as there is irresponsible, there's a larger chunk of the population that owns guns responsibly. | ||
| I don't like there being large militias at... | ||
| Protests like this. | ||
| I think that that is not good. | ||
| I don't like there being large militias, period. | ||
| Right, I don't either. | ||
| I don't like that element of it. | ||
| But in terms of, you know, expressing your political belief that you should be able to have guns, I think that's reasonable. | ||
| I don't think it's... | ||
| The only reason that it seems unreasonable is because of the world we live in right now. | ||
| Okay, okay. | ||
| Before you go any further... | ||
| I'm sorry. | ||
| I don't mean to cut you off. | ||
| It's all right. | ||
| You know I love you. | ||
| Right. | ||
| I don't understand how you can think bringing an AR-15 to a protest is not in itself a form of incitement. | ||
| Well, that's why I'm trying to make this line that I don't like it here, but in protests that are Second Amendment-based, stuff like that, it is reasonable. | ||
| It's within the law, and if people are handling themselves responsibly, that isn't bad. | ||
| But if you point it at somebody or something like that, then that in and of itself is a crime. | ||
| How do you take an AR-15 to a protest and not eventually wind up pointing it at somebody? | ||
| I think that it happens a lot. | ||
| Just by fucking turning around, you're pointing it at somebody. | ||
| I mean, responsible gun owners always point their gun at the ground. | ||
| It's not loaded. | ||
| Those sorts of things. | ||
| Tell me those guys at the protest had their gun unloaded. | ||
| I don't know, and neither do you. | ||
| So it's not fair. | ||
| You're right, Dan. | ||
| You're right that I don't know. | ||
| But what I'm saying... | ||
| Okay, now I'm getting animated. | ||
|
unidentified
|
I'm sorry. | |
| What I'm saying is that the things that I would not like to see are things that are illegal. | ||
| And if people are doing that while they have a gun at a protest, I think they should be arrested. | ||
| But if you follow the safety protocols and stuff like that, I don't really think it's really that bad. | ||
| I think it is allowed, not in every state necessarily, but where it is... | ||
| I don't think it's a problem. | ||
| I understand, and I do believe that you are... | ||
| This is in the abstract. | ||
| Exactly, exactly. | ||
| In that circumstance, all reality aside, were we to consider this as an intellectual conversation, you have a very cogent and accurate point. | ||
| I agree with you. | ||
| Thank you. | ||
| We don't live in that world. | ||
| Guys, this has been knowledge fight. | ||
| We don't live there. | ||
| No, we don't. | ||
| We don't live there. | ||
| But let me flip your logic, though. | ||
| If you are a Native American holding a bottle of water that is more threatening to the cops than a white dude holding an AR-15. | ||
| Totally. | ||
| That is bullshit. | ||
| That's a massive problem. | ||
| And to me, the idea of holding a gun at a protest is an incitement to violence. | ||
| It may be. | ||
| It may be in your mind. | ||
| Let me flip that a tiny bit just to be, I don't know, giving way too much credence to the side I don't agree with. | ||
| If you say that just the very presence of a gun is an incitement, when the person that we're hypothetically talking about is carrying it responsibly, it's pointed at the ground, they're not threatening anybody. | ||
| You're saying it's still an incitement. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Then I would say that there are people who believe that seeing two men kissing in public is an incitement. | ||
| It's something that they're very offended by, and they're rubbing it in your face. | ||
| In the pride parades, people running around with their thongs on, with their dicks showing. | ||
| That's an incitement. | ||
| All right. | ||
| Or, hold on. | ||
| Yeah, no, you're right. | ||
| People who are protesting by blocking traffic, that's an incitement. | ||
| I'm trying to get somewhere. | ||
| That makes me very furious. | ||
| You're out there flexing some sort of muscle you don't have. | ||
| I'm not saying I agree with that, but that same logic could be used for things that are reasonable. | ||
| And that's a dangerous path to go down. | ||
| Here's my argument back at you. | ||
| Has two men kissing ever gone wrong and killed somebody? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I mean, I imagine some... | ||
| Has a thong ever... | ||
| Misfired and killed a child. | ||
| Has somebody standing in the street ever accidentally overturned and killed somebody? | ||
| Has somebody in the street ever backed up, hit a woman, and then backed up and then hit ten more people? | ||
| That's the gun. | ||
| A gun is only... | ||
| Your argument isn't sound here, I've got to be honest. | ||
| I understand where you're coming from, but within my own argument, that's taken care of. | ||
| How so? | ||
| Because I think the guns should be unloaded, so if there's a misfire, they're already doing something wrong. | ||
| So that part of it is kind of like, alright. | ||
|
unidentified
|
Okay. | |
| Within the parameters that I'm setting for what I think is acceptable, I don't think that... | ||
| Then in that case, if you want to take a gun to a protest, you have to then make it clear that it is unloaded. | ||
| That has to be done. | ||
| I don't see a problem with that. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Having some sort of station where they check stuff, I think that would be reasonable. | ||
| In which case, I totally agree with you. | ||
| Did this happen? | ||
| No, but I don't know. | ||
| I don't know nearly enough. | ||
| You know... | ||
| I know that things weren't checked. | ||
| I believe that. | ||
| You know that they didn't check each and every one of those guns. | ||
| No, probably not. | ||
| I would say certainly not. | ||
| So if you're going to do that, and in that case, in that case, Dan, if there is a gun... | ||
| We're not talking about this specific protest. | ||
| I know. | ||
| I know. | ||
| But in this conversation, then we have to set further parameters so that a gun... | ||
| But even then... | ||
| You can hit somebody with the butt of a gun. | ||
|
unidentified
|
You can. | |
| You can't hit somebody with two guys kissing. | ||
| No, but if you have a sign that says, I'm super into two guys kissing, you could hit somebody with the staff of that pole. | ||
| That's a fair argument. | ||
| I'm not disagreeing with you on that. | ||
| I'm just saying... | ||
| Dude, the only reason I brought those examples into it was because you were hinging your argument on the idea of incitement. | ||
| And just because you have a natural reaction that comes from seeing a gun, which I believe obviously is probably more reasonable than being incited by seeing two dudes kissing, it is the same sort of reaction that you're having within your brain. | ||
| Now, your reaction is more threat-based. | ||
| Like, this is a threat. | ||
| But those people who are wrong, but they would think that seeing these two dudes kissing is a threat in as much as they believe that there's a gay agenda and what have you. | ||
| They have the same sort of... | ||
| And I'm not saying you're dumb, but there is a dumb fear response that people have. | ||
| And I know that I'm being... | ||
| I'm talking in the abstract. | ||
| I'm talking hypothetical. | ||
| I don't think it's fair. | ||
| To paint all gun owners as wrong. | ||
| In the same way that I'm defending reasonable conservatives, there are a lot of reasonable gun owners. | ||
| No, and I don't disagree with you on this point. | ||
| My point is that if you are taking guns to an ostensibly peaceful protest, that is... | ||
| What else is a gun for? | ||
| Hunting? | ||
| Yeah, okay. | ||
| So take it to a peaceful protest. | ||
| What are you hunting? | ||
| There might be squirrels. | ||
| There might be squirrels afoot. | ||
| You're being deliberately obtuse now. | ||
| You're being deliberately obtuse. | ||
| You are too. | ||
| You are too. | ||
| Because the point that I made at the beginning of this unprompted out of nowhere debate is that... | ||
| I don't think... | ||
| This is why people listen to this podcast. | ||
| I don't think it's great to see these guns and the militias at this sort of protest. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| But in the context of a Second Amendment gun-oriented protest, I totally understand it. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| And I think that you can have a peaceful gun-oriented protest where it is reasonable and totally responsible to have guns at it. | ||
| When you inject guns in places they don't belong, I agree. | ||
| That brings things... | ||
| It muddies the water a little bit. | ||
| And I'm not defending armed militias with semi-automatic weapons showing up at places like this. | ||
| Or to counter-protest liberal protests. | ||
| I think that that is, in and of itself, kind of a threat. | ||
| But I don't think the absolute presence of a gun in its right context, in responsible ownership, is something terrible. | ||
| That's all the point I'm making. | ||
| Then let's... | ||
| And I get your point. | ||
| And I do understand it. | ||
| But then you come at me with, like, well, a response. | ||
| What's a gun for? | ||
| For hunting, right? | ||
| Or defense. | ||
| Or defense. | ||
| Or leisure. | ||
| What's an AR-15 for? | ||
| Well, I mean, you could make the argument, and I'm certainly not making this argument, but I know that I have some sane friends. | ||
| Who have large rifles and stuff like that that are beyond what you need to hunt. | ||
| If you brought a semi-automatic weapon into this room while we are recording this particular podcast. | ||
| Well, it's a Second Amendment podcast. | ||
| We do have a lot of very important protests. | ||
| I just don't see any situation where an AR-15... | ||
| Which is what those... | ||
| A fucking... | ||
| They were wearing body armor? | ||
| Now, and again, I'm bringing this back into the real world, and you're taking this into the abstract, and I totally agree with you in a vacuum, and we don't live there. | ||
| No, we don't. | ||
| We don't live in that vacuum. | ||
| No, we don't, but if... | ||
| Well, if we have regulations on free speech zones, which is what we do... | ||
| Like permits and stuff like that. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| But we don't have regulations on what guns you can bring to those free speech zones. | ||
| They're inciting violence. | ||
| Period. | ||
| Period. | ||
|
unidentified
|
End of sentence. | |
| Those people, in order to be carrying guns in public, would have to have a permit. | ||
| Right. | ||
| They would have to have an open carry permit. | ||
| Did every single one of them get checked? | ||
| Look, I have to believe that they did. | ||
| You do, but I don't. | ||
|
unidentified
|
Okay. | |
| Great. | ||
| I mean, I guess we're not going to come to... | ||
| In that instance, we're coming down to both of us not having the right information. | ||
| You're right. | ||
| So we can't... | ||
| You're right. | ||
| You're right. | ||
| We can't really litigate what was going on at this specific protest. | ||
| You are absolutely right. | ||
| But back to your point, and then I want to get off this. | ||
| I don't ever. | ||
| This is something that I need to win on, Dan. | ||
| The idea that people having these high-powered rifles and semi-automatic weapons, it is very dangerous, I believe. | ||
| And there should be regulation in terms of knowing where these weapons are, people having to... | ||
| What's it called? | ||
| Check it. | ||
| There needs to be some sort of... | ||
| Agreed. | ||
| But at the same time, the people who have them, I don't think that they have them for intrinsically violent needs. | ||
| A lot of them, it's as reasonable to have a handgun to protect your house as it is to have a large rifle for the same purpose. | ||
| If you believe that you're going to be... | ||
| Possibly at some point facing something that is bigger than a pistol can help you with. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Then the same argument of self-protection does kind of apply. | ||
| Now because it's so much more dangerous, especially with semi-automatic weapons, I think that the dangerousness of it needs to be reflected in the regulation and control mechanisms that we have in place for people having them. | ||
| But the logic of protection I don't think is invalid. | ||
| I agree with you. | ||
| I agree with you. | ||
| We have to be true to principles. | ||
| I agree with you. | ||
| Even if we do live in a fucked up world, it's not right unless you want to come out and say everyone should have their guns taken away. | ||
| And in that case, I disagree. | ||
| And I understand. | ||
| I suppose, again, I'm bringing it into the real world. | ||
| Because those guys that we have seen, that we talk about... | ||
| Like Alex Jones. | ||
| Responsible gun owners. | ||
| Alex Jones has murdered zero people. | ||
| And he's had guns on his desk. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| But Alex Jones clearly has self-defense fantasies. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| So taking it to a protest, to me, seems like hoping for one of those self-defense fantasies to occur. | ||
| It's possible. | ||
| That's what it's... | ||
| And again, I agree with your argument because I can't prove that... | ||
| That that's why those guys are taking it. | ||
| Right. | ||
|
unidentified
|
I can't do that. | |
| But if I'm going to err on either side, I'm going to err on don't bring a fucking gun to a protest. | ||
| I would like for that to be the reality. | ||
| I know. | ||
| We're not arguing. | ||
| The same... | ||
| I feel like we're not arguing the same question. | ||
| Because I'm right in my question. | ||
| Let's agree to disagree. | ||
| I think we both have good points, but we're not going to get to the bottom of gun rights on this episode. | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| It's time for two people to solve it, and it turns out it's us. | ||
| Over a little bit of wine after I am hung over his shit for being at a horse track. | ||
| I'm sure there were some people concealed carrying there. | ||
| Maybe. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I believe you. | ||
| It's a real fucked up place. | ||
| Anyway, let's jump back into this. | ||
|
unidentified
|
Okay. | |
| So he's still reviewing the Fox News coverage. | ||
| God damn it! | ||
| What? | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| I'm just saying I really appreciated that conversation and I thought it was a good one. | ||
| I'm sorry I screamed at you to say that. | ||
| Well, it's like you brought a gun to a conversation. | ||
| No, I understand where you're coming from and I... | ||
| I get your point, and you've made some good ones. | ||
| I do feel like I... | ||
| I think as the world gets more complicated and things get worse, because I think it's just going to get worse, I think we're going to see more and more stuff like this start to pop up and start to happen, and I'm really afraid that what's going to happen is we're all going to get distracted by something on Tuesday, and we won't deal with the fact that... | ||
| All the time that we ignore it, these dudes are organizing and still existing online. | ||
| They are still having their manifestos posted on their website. | ||
| They're still organizing and meeting and talking about how we need to defend whiteness and shit like that. | ||
| I'm really scared about that. | ||
| They're fighting a war that we aren't. | ||
| But as we move into the future where things are going to be scarier and weirder, I think that it behooves us to... | ||
| Be more clear with principles and be understanding of positions that may seem weird to us. | ||
| It may seem like people having guns. | ||
| I don't have a gun. | ||
| You don't have a gun. | ||
| It does seem... | ||
| Goddamn if I'm not thinking about it. | ||
| Right. | ||
| It does seem a little bit weird, the people who are super interested in guns. | ||
| And we might disagree on a lot of issues about that. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But it's our responsibility to go halfway. | ||
| To reasonable people. | ||
|
unidentified
|
Yeah. | |
| That we disagree with because there's going to be a lot less opportunities for that in the future. | ||
|
unidentified
|
Yeah. | |
| Well, and that, I think, is the situation there. | ||
| And it's the same. | ||
|
unidentified
|
Hold up. | |
| Hold up. | ||
| Sorry. | ||
| It's what we would like to see from the other side. | ||
| It's what we would like to see. | ||
| It's what we're not seeing. | ||
| But it's... | ||
| Well, I mean, you just kind of got to hate to... | ||
| You know, quote a Kevin Spacey movie title, but you gotta pay it forward, in a certain sense. | ||
| Or else we are just being the petulant children who are like, you don't do it, so we're not gonna either. | ||
| You know, like, I want reasonable Republicans and conservative-minded folks to come on board and realize that, hey, there's nothing weird about being gay, or that trans people are real people. | ||
| And they're not crazy. | ||
| I would love for those sort of social things that we firmly believe in that mean a lot to us. | ||
| I'd love to see more allyship from that side. | ||
| And we're not seeing it, though. | ||
| Right, but that doesn't mean that we don't still have a responsibility to be bigger, in a sense, and understand some of the right... | ||
| Conservative sides. | ||
| And gun ownership is not a right-left issue, it's just that the right wing definitely seems to be more vocal and angry about it. | ||
| Okay, let's put it this way. | ||
| I think that this is a huge conversation, and we are talking about it now for 45 minutes. | ||
| I don't think that's true. | ||
| But... | ||
| Feels like it. | ||
| We gotta get back to these clips. | ||
| Exactly! | ||
| Yeah, I understand your points. | ||
| I do, and I agree with you in a vacuum. | ||
| I think you are upholding ideals beautifully. | ||
| And I believe in you. | ||
| And I think that is exactly why so many people have been murdered. | ||
| And if that's the end result, that's the end result. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Well, you're a martyr. | ||
| No. | ||
| You're a martyr, Tim. | ||
| Fuck you. | ||
| Fuck you. | ||
| But if we all must die, let us die with our principles and our boots on. | ||
| I say as I'm recording this barefoot. | ||
| Barefoot in jorts. | ||
| That's my house pants. | ||
| So this next clip, Alex is still going over Fox News shit. | ||
| He's still trying to do some analysis. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And he throws this jab at the pundits. | ||
|
unidentified
|
This is the first guy I've seen that just has to say, ban the First Amendment of conservatives. | |
| That's not true. | ||
| Wait, what did he just... | ||
| This is the first guy who said ban the First Amendment for conservatives? | ||
| It's the first guy who hasn't... | ||
| On Fox News. | ||
| It's the first guy who hasn't said that. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| On Fox News? | ||
| Well, because Alex is pretending this whole time that there have been conservative preachers who are on who are like, white people are bad, blah, blah, blah. | ||
|
unidentified
|
Yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| Conservatives shouldn't be... | ||
| He's presenting it as even Fox News. | ||
| You know that very common conservative preacher. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Even Fox News has gone globalist is essentially what he's getting at. | ||
| And now he's reinforcing it because he goes back to the fucking coffee room, the break room at InfoWars, and the first person who's on is very reasonable and not saying those things. | ||
| And so in order to save face, because he's built it up as we're going to go back there and I'm going to be able to see this stuff immediately. | ||
| Thank God there's one. | ||
| Yeah, he's like, oh, well, we got one. | ||
| As opposed to that being all of them. | ||
| Which for him is a smart move. | ||
| Because going further to the right than Fox News is exactly what his listenership... | ||
| Once, at this moment. | ||
| He's lived that side. | ||
| Because, again, they're all white nationalists. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So, this next clip, Alex explains the sitch. | ||
| That's how I have it written down, I guess. | ||
| Don't. | ||
| Don't write it down like that anymore. | ||
| I abbreviated it to sitch in the track title. | ||
| I'm glad you can admit when you're wrong. | ||
|
unidentified
|
Yeah. | |
| Yeah, fuck you. | ||
| advice. | ||
|
unidentified
|
But see, it's all about the conservatives getting beat up because they deserve it. | |
| Told you it was all coming. | ||
| And it's just the beginning. | ||
| And they're going to kill your president. | ||
| And they're going to take your pension funds. | ||
| And they're going to piss all over you like North Korea because they want to. | ||
|
unidentified
|
Piss. | |
| Yeah. | ||
| That's the situation. | ||
| That's where we're at. | ||
| I actually kind of... | ||
| I love the framing of Gavin McGinnis. | ||
| He's just a free speech guy. | ||
|
unidentified
|
Yeah. | |
| You know Gavin McGinnis. | ||
| He has a paramilitary organization. | ||
|
unidentified
|
No! | |
| No, he's a free speech guy. | ||
| The Order of Alt Knights. | ||
| Who is going to defend free speech if it isn't the Order of Alt Knights? | ||
| The Proud Boys are going to defend it. | ||
| While they name cereals, while they homoerotically beat each other up. | ||
| This is another one of those times where I wish we lived in that world. | ||
| Because then you can believe that it's the globalists who are doing this instead of actual... | ||
| It's so much more comforting. | ||
| It's so much more comforting to think, oh, it's the globalists who are inciting us. | ||
| And because in that worldview, it is very much like a, oh, people are people. | ||
| It's not that there's these large group of psychopaths who have no care for the rest of us who are doing this because they hate people. | ||
| So you think in this world and you're like, oh, that's... | ||
| Good. | ||
| White people aren't these white people. | ||
| Not all white people. | ||
| Although, soft no. | ||
| Leave that alone. | ||
| These people are good people. | ||
| They have good hearts. | ||
| They're just misled. | ||
| And in this regard, they're not. | ||
| These are not good people. | ||
| No. | ||
| These are bad people who are oftentimes influenced by the bad things. | ||
| the horrible things that Alex Jones says and Alex Jones believes. | ||
| And people like Alex Jones. | ||
| It is important to say he's not the only Pez dispenser, as it were. | ||
| In our world, though, I'm speaking specifically about him. | ||
| Right, and I think that one of the reasons that we focus on him so much is he's by far the most popular person who espouses this shit. | ||
| And I firmly believe that a lot of the narratives that he expresses and perpetuates are very similar to the narratives that are perpetuated by the more hardcore dudes in terms of the way... | ||
| white nationalism, and white supremacy. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
|
unidentified
|
So if we deal with him and deal with the narratives that are being expressed, you can use that to understand how the bullshit that those people, the Harder Core dudes, are spitting. | |
| Right. | ||
|
unidentified
|
What lies they're using. | |
| Right. | ||
| He's like a normalizing umbrella. | ||
| In the same way that Fox News is a normalizing umbrella for his type of bullshit. | ||
| So is he the same type of thing for Stormfront? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Or those kinds of things? | ||
| I would argue yes. | ||
| Stormfront is more focused. | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| In the same way that Alex is more focused than Fox News. | ||
| It's a Chai Com nesting doll. | ||
| As it were. | ||
| If we are to use his terminology, yes. | ||
| If we go back to episode two. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So, at this point, Alex wants to give you the big takeaway. | ||
| The big summation. | ||
| The big reveal. | ||
| Unfortunately, this is not where we're going to end, but he has a big... | ||
| As is never the case. | ||
| He has a big takeaway. | ||
|
unidentified
|
Hey, let me say the ultimate takeaway of this. | |
| Ultimate takeaway for this. | ||
| The secret of 2017! | ||
| American guilt fest so the political class could have us all fight with each other. | ||
| No media covered people, families being beat up for an early inauguration by the anti-file hordes and masses protected by the D.C. police. | ||
| There was stuff 50 times worse than this, other than the car running over people. | ||
| And there was no coverage. | ||
|
unidentified
|
And our media is so fake, it showed that shut down the mall and over 10 minutes with a few I mean, that's so... | |
| That's so bad. | ||
|
unidentified
|
Oh, God, I can't... | |
| That's the worst thing, and I can't help but laugh at that. | ||
| That's so fucking stupid. | ||
| From a performance aspect, that's so terrible that it's laughable. | ||
| But we were laughing over when he comes to the end. | ||
| One of the big takeaways, apparently, is that Trump's crowd was much bigger than the media said. | ||
| Why are you bringing that in? | ||
| What is that? | ||
| So then the other thing is that... | ||
| It's so much worse. | ||
| It's worse. | ||
| I mean, aside from the car killing people. | ||
| It's so much worse. | ||
|
unidentified
|
God. | |
| He's saying that families are getting beat up. | ||
| When we went over that back then, he was talking about old women bleeding. | ||
| And we saw the pictures. | ||
| It was just a lady had a cut on her hand. | ||
| She had a little scrape that was not that severe at all. | ||
| But he presents it as bleeding from the head. | ||
| He's claimed that he has all kinds of video of these awful Antifa attacks. | ||
| Oh, thank God. | ||
| I'm sure he's released it recently, and so we can see... | ||
|
unidentified
|
Wait, what? | |
| What's that? | ||
| I've not been able to find any of this video. | ||
| Oh, he hasn't released it? | ||
| No. | ||
| Odd. | ||
| Odd. | ||
| Reportedly, it's true. | ||
| But then he says that the media didn't report on violence at the inauguration, and I'd just like to explain that. | ||
| Google it. | ||
| Reuters, violence flares in Washington during Trump inauguration. | ||
| Washington Times, Donald Trump inauguration, protests turned violent, 217 arrested. | ||
| CNN, inauguration protests, police injured, more than 200 arrested. | ||
| Washington Post, inauguration protesters vandalized, set fires, tried to disrupt Trump's oath. | ||
| Swearing in. | ||
| Daily Signal. | ||
| Photos of the violent protest of Trump's inauguration. | ||
| New York Times. | ||
| Inauguration protesters and police clash on Washington streets. | ||
| Okay, okay. | ||
| So maybe the media reported on that. | ||
| But what about the violence that happened when Trump was elected? | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| Okay, but what about the violence that happened at the RNC? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Okay, but what about the violence... | ||
| Everything's covered. | ||
| Yeah, but what about the violence that happened... | ||
| On Tuesday, August 4th, 1784. | ||
| What about that violence? | ||
| Probably covered. | ||
| What about the violence that happened after Jesus was assassinated? | ||
|
unidentified
|
Covered. | |
| Okay. | ||
| So, what he's actually saying there, because he's lying that people didn't cover this stuff, is that it wasn't covered the way I wanted it to be covered. | ||
| And the way I want it to be covered is a story of these violent leftist hordes who are beating up old women. | ||
| Now, we reported on that, granted, we don't have the video that we say we do. | ||
| And we lied. | ||
| Right. | ||
| So, it's like, why won't these people lie the way I need them to in order to validate my argument? | ||
| That's what he's saying. | ||
| That's right-wing news right now, entirely. | ||
| But that's what he... | ||
| Because the argument that they didn't cover stuff is very demonstrably a lie. | ||
| It's all there. | ||
| Just Google it. | ||
| It's there. | ||
| All the articles in the archives exist. | ||
| So that's his big takeaway. | ||
| That's pretty sad. | ||
| So when I touched down and saw on Twitter, I looked up all the real news. | ||
| And then I went to the Drudge Report. | ||
| Oh, great. | ||
| To see what was going on there. | ||
| They linked to one article, and then the rest of it was as far away from that as possible. | ||
| And it was like, what I saw there was them, or the Drudge Report, masturbating to how equal coverage they were giving. | ||
| Like, the fact that they, to me, what they were doing is saying, Oh, look at how fair we are. | ||
| Like, that's exactly the type of shit that he is trying to pull. | ||
| I feel very sad because what we were going to do today if shit hadn't dropped off is we were going to talk a lot about the Drudge Report. | ||
| That will be in an episode coming up, so I want to put a pin in this. | ||
| Soon it will happen. | ||
| Yeah, I want to put a pin in this because, spoiler alert, back in 2015... | ||
| Matt Drudge shows up on Alex Jones' show. | ||
| Fuck me! | ||
| We're going to get into that? | ||
| We're going to get into it. | ||
| But for now, let's keep trudging forward because Alex Jones wants to talk more. | ||
| Let's keep trudging forward. | ||
| All right, all right, all right. | ||
| That's good. | ||
| Donate to Knowledge Fight for more brilliant bone mows like that. | ||
| So at this point, Alex wants to talk more about Elohim City. | ||
| What happens is the old right knows they can go to a controversial deal and get a bunch of media attention and talk about their issues. | ||
| And, you know, get millions of views on their videos. | ||
| But then the globalists send in their Elohim City people. | ||
| I mean, I'm not just predicting all this by accident. | ||
| They've done this before. | ||
| The Oklahoma City bombing was run on Elohim City. | ||
| Runned it. | ||
| Runned, commanded, funded by the Southern Department of Law Center. | ||
| Nope. | ||
| You can't find a real white supremacist like they were saying on the deal. | ||
| So they actually set up big compounds out of work, grown house, everything. | ||
| They even had hot chicks to lure people in. | ||
| Hell yeah. | ||
| Just to have a few dozen cutouts. | ||
| Love those hot chicks. | ||
| Love those hot chicks. | ||
| And Obama, a buddy, the deputy attorney general at the time. | ||
| Who cares about the rest of this? | ||
| Yeah, no kidding. | ||
| What the fuck is that? | ||
| I want to talk about hot chicks for a second. | ||
| Hot chicks! | ||
| Do you know that one of the things that they're starting to find is a lot of these bots, these pro-Trump bots? | ||
| They use stock photos of hot women that are promotional pictures. | ||
| They are able to Photoshop something, message on their shirt or on a hat or something like that. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| There's a famous one with a black person. | ||
| There's an African-American lady who had a Trump shop. | ||
| Right. | ||
| I've read a couple articles about that, and I'm very unclear about whether the actual person was involved with the scam or not. | ||
| I'm not entirely sure. | ||
| I don't want to talk about that one. | ||
|
unidentified
|
Right. | |
| But there are a lot of these accounts that lured dumb dudes into thinking hot chicks are super into Trump, because all these fucking fake Twitter accounts had huge-titted ladies, and they had superimposed on their shirt, Make America Great Again, and stuff like that. | ||
| And they're like, oh my god, all these hot chicks are super into Trump, and all these... | ||
| The thing that Alex certainly spouts out a lot and a lot of dumb people believe is like, oh, on the left, it's all just a bunch of dummy, dumpy, lesbo-feminists. | ||
| Right. | ||
| But no, these blonde, hot, big-titted gals, they love Trump. | ||
| I gotta get on that team. | ||
| Oh, I'm telling you, I've had some retweets by super hot chicks with five followers. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| And let me tell you something, if I want to find a hot lady in my area tonight... | ||
| Oh, man. | ||
| You got a little tiny URL you can go to. | ||
| It can happen. | ||
| I can just click on it and I'm done. | ||
| You've just explained half of my experience on Tinder. | ||
| But the idea that Alex is even bringing that in about how Elohim City was using hot women to lure in fake white supremacists. | ||
| Hey, buddy. | ||
| Let's talk about your boy. | ||
| Let's talk about Elohim City luring in real white supremacists. | ||
| Right. | ||
| What is Elohim City? | ||
| It was an organization, a white supremacist group that Timothy McVeigh was involved in. | ||
| It wasn't that they planned. | ||
| Are they still around? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I don't know enough about it. | ||
| I researched it in as much as its existence in the 90s when the Murrah building was bombed. | ||
| Did they ever build the city? | ||
| They built it on rock and roll. | ||
| Did they have a city hall? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| My research in it was specifically about whether or not it was run by the Southern Poverty Law Center, because that's the claim that Alex makes, and it was not. | ||
| Which, of course, it wasn't. | ||
| Because what? | ||
| I'll be the first to admit that I don't know everything about their history, and I probably can't answer those questions. | ||
| But I can answer whether or not... | ||
| Globalist! | ||
| All right. | ||
|
unidentified
|
Fair. | |
| Fair. | ||
| So, yeah. | ||
| That was a sincere sound. | ||
| That was a sincere... | ||
| So, in that last clip, he was expressing basically that it's hard to find a white supremacist, and so they had to create them. | ||
| In his next clip, he's going to expound on that a little bit more. | ||
| By being a white supremacist? | ||
| It's hard to find them, though. | ||
| We don't know where Infowars Studios are. | ||
| I mean, they coordinate Elohim City stuff. | ||
| That's why they hate me so much, I suppose. | ||
| So, we've got this North Korea thing going on. | ||
| We've got all this stuff going on. | ||
| And they're trying to undermine Trump on that. | ||
| But that's unifying America. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| I've got so many chances to obviously go out and have a march. | ||
| But, I mean, I don't even have pro-gun marches. | ||
| People like to want to have more demonstrations. | ||
| Because I did Pepper's break. | ||
| Like Gavin McGinnis. | ||
| We love you, Alex. | ||
| And I'm like, yeah, right. | ||
| Then later you'd find out it was like a fit. | ||
| And so that's what they do. | ||
| But my reality is we have like 500 people, which is bigger than this, but they have like two KKK guys there just to make us look stupid. | ||
| Like, I'm not used to the Republican Texas idea in general. | ||
| I don't want to secede. | ||
| Wait. | ||
| Wait. | ||
|
unidentified
|
Wait for it. | |
| I mean, I know they have like an admiral outfit in general. | ||
| We're with Mr. Jones at my land rights events. | ||
| And they're going to go, look, Jones is the Republican Texas and believes he's a general. | ||
| This is how they do it. | ||
| It's theater. | ||
| Remember Rand Paul could have people dress up in KKK outfits or in racist outfits against him, and it turned out they were Democratic operatives? | ||
| Because now with Google, you could take their face and Google search it, and then it would turn out it was them. | ||
| So thanks to computers, people need to get HD photos, once they come out in the newspapers, of the Antifa. | ||
| That's why they wear masks. | ||
| But some, I'm telling you, we're going to get them. | ||
| Or hoods. | ||
| I would like to say a few things. | ||
| One... | ||
| Based on everything Alex believes about technocrats taking over. | ||
| It's because of computers. | ||
| Right, but he should not be thrilled with the idea of being able to search faces. | ||
| That seems like something he'd be very against, but oh, if we get to use it to... | ||
| Find hypothetical Democratic operatives pretending to be Klan members. | ||
| Look, he wants some light tyranny. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| He wants the government to have some most of the control over all of us. | ||
| While presenting it as, I'm against all of this. | ||
| He's a fucking lunatic. | ||
| He's against tyranny. | ||
| He just wants the government to know exactly who you are, where you are, and everything that you're doing at all times. | ||
| He wants biometric databases. | ||
| I don't understand why this is a bad thing, Dan. | ||
| It's crazy. | ||
| It's lunacy. | ||
| It makes perfect sense. | ||
|
unidentified
|
No. | |
| It doesn't. | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| Chimeras. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| And the fucking idea that, like, I have my rallies and then two guys in clan robes come up to me and they're like, we love you, Alex Jones. | ||
| And I'm like, yeah, right. | ||
| And then I find out they're feds. | ||
| They're feds. | ||
| I don't believe any of that story except clan people said they loved him. | ||
| I don't believe any of that story except maybe feds are clan people. | ||
| That's also possible. | ||
| That's entirely possible. | ||
| That doesn't preclude all of the story being true in the wrong way. | ||
| No, yeah. | ||
| But... | ||
| Even if he's 100% right, that makes me more scared that fed people are in the Klan. | ||
| I would argue also that he's saying that that's the reason he doesn't do more rallies and stuff like that. | ||
| The last rally I remember him doing was the one where Eric Andre got on stage and clowned on him. | ||
| I think it's possible. | ||
| Why would anybody allow Eric Andre at their rally? | ||
| You're gonna get clowned on. | ||
| It was embarrassing. | ||
| Obama shouldn't... | ||
| Even if Obama had a rally, Eric Andre would clown on him. | ||
| He's Eric Andre! | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But I think that that's more the reason Alex Jones doesn't do more rallies, is he knows that he is so... | ||
| Again, it goes back to what we talked about two hours ago. | ||
| It's weak tea that he's spilling right now. | ||
| He's got nothing. | ||
| And so he knows that it would be very easy to publicly expose him if he is in public rallies. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
|
unidentified
|
Because there are a growing number of people, such as myself, who aren't afraid of his audience. | |
| Right. | ||
|
unidentified
|
And the idea of like-Well, let's not go too far. | |
| If I-You're a little bit afraid of his audience. | ||
| If I were in a position where he was having a rally and I was able to get on stage, I would not be afraid of them beating me up for the opportunity to poke holes in his entire worldview. | ||
| I'm very scared of them. | ||
| I'm very scared of them as rogue actors, but I'm not scared of them beating me up for the opportunity to deface him publicly through words. | ||
| Anyway. | ||
| Words are scary, Dan. | ||
| Words are bullets. | ||
|
unidentified
|
Yeah. | |
| Anyway, this next clip is just a bunch of nonsense and it gets back to white shit. | ||
| Yeah, like all the attacks on white's dragging them out and beating them to death or killing them. | ||
| But that's all liberal. | ||
| That's a sacrament of some old man at the bus stop and somebody punches them and they knock their brains out and die. | ||
| That never gets reported, right? | ||
|
unidentified
|
Wait, what? | |
| So, oh, she's got to hedge her bets now. | ||
| Did someone try to evade being killed? | ||
| Oh, that's a crime right there. | ||
| Wait, what? | ||
|
unidentified
|
Oh, look at this guy. | |
| Let him shake his hand a little bit. | ||
| He's so upset, oh my god! | ||
|
unidentified
|
We finally get to demonize some white people! | |
| Wait, what? | ||
| I should be clear, he's still doing his analysis of Fox News. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| So it sounds like a lot of this sounds like... | ||
| It sounds like he's saying some random ass dumb shit. | ||
| Right. | ||
| It sounds like that and it's because he's responding to stuff that isn't audible on the video that he's making. | ||
| It's a very shoddy production. | ||
| That's brilliant, though. | ||
| It kind of is because you can just say whatever you want. | ||
| You can always win whenever nobody knows what you're fighting against. | ||
|
unidentified
|
Right. | |
| So he's responding to a guy on the screen shaking his head and being like, time to demonize white people. | ||
| Anyway. | ||
| Oh, it's just evacuated! | ||
| See, civil emergency nationally! | ||
| Civil emergency! | ||
|
unidentified
|
Oh, it's the biggest! | |
| Oh, God! | ||
| Oh, Jesus! | ||
| And they're about to have more of the Antifa go out. | ||
| This is the emboldening of the Antifa come out of their rattles to spill out like, like just fountains of roaches that spill out, attack more, and the media will cover it up, and then when there's a response, they'll, Oh, my God! | ||
| How you doing, Alex? | ||
|
unidentified
|
Me too. | |
| What do you think... | ||
| Wait, is that our last clip? | ||
| No. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Real quick question. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| When this is over... | ||
| I will say that there is one very funny clip left of this. | ||
| I'm very excited. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| After the special report is over, does he... | ||
| First of all... | ||
| At no point does he mention that a woman was murdered. | ||
| Well, he does, but oh no, seven are injured or whatever. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| I don't think that comes up. | ||
| At no point does he deal with that. | ||
| But even if he did, he wouldn't care. | ||
| Of course he has no sympathy for anybody who was hit by this car. | ||
| No. | ||
| Of course he doesn't care if anybody was murdered. | ||
|
unidentified
|
No. | |
| At the end of the day. | ||
| But even if he did, he'd still be like, no one cares when Muslims do it. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| So he... | ||
| He gets off air. | ||
|
unidentified
|
Mm-hmm. | |
| Discovers the real news. | ||
| Finishes a sandwich. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I assume. | ||
| Delicious Ritz crackers and salami. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| That's a sandwich. | ||
|
unidentified
|
Yeah. | |
| By the way, Ritz, we will advertise for you. | ||
| We'll take sponsorship. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Now, does he feel anything? | ||
| I doubt it. | ||
| Do you think he... | ||
| Because this is weird. | ||
| This bums me out. | ||
| I think he feels fear. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| That's all. | ||
| Like, that's all I'm hearing right here is... | ||
| Anger. | ||
| Is I'm afraid that... | ||
| Desperation. | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's what he feels. | ||
| So at no point in time... | ||
| Like, we've already established that he's probably a full-on raging narcissistic psychopath. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| With schizoid tendencies and maybe on the autism spectrum. | ||
| Or just brain damage. | ||
| Just serious brain damage, yeah. | ||
|
unidentified
|
But... | |
| Well, let me put it to you this way. | ||
| Do you think he was visited by the devil last night? | ||
| Every night. | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| Every night. | ||
| And the devil is like him. | ||
| Yeah, like... | ||
| How can he go to sleep before he goes to bed? | ||
| Oh, that's so easy. | ||
| Before he goes to bed, does he not for a second think, maybe I'm the bad guy? | ||
| No, because he takes knockout. | ||
| Available now at the InfoWars store. | ||
| Here's Dr. Group to talk about it for an hour. | ||
| So no, it's no big deal. | ||
| I remember back when I took sleeping pills. | ||
| This is such horrifying... | ||
| This is such horrifying nothing! | ||
| Back when I took Ambien, my anxiety did not keep me up at night. | ||
| Ah, that's true. | ||
| Clunk. | ||
| That's true. | ||
| Just a pill and you're done. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Knockout. | ||
| I mean, I guess it's all just... | ||
| It's probably... | ||
| It's all like valerian root and stuff like that, but it's still fairly effective. | ||
| It's valerian steel as well. | ||
|
unidentified
|
Yeah. | |
| I just have such a hard time with this particular... | ||
| Because it sucks. | ||
| Yeah, of course you have a hard time with it. | ||
| Let me distance myself from... | ||
| I have such a hard time being alive, which is my basic state. | ||
| Fair. | ||
| I have a hard time with how weak this shit is. | ||
| Reconciling that with... | ||
| How he has to leave the air. | ||
| Do you know what I'm saying? | ||
| He's got fucking nothing. | ||
| He's got no argument. | ||
| He's pulling bullshit out of the air. | ||
| He's riffing. | ||
| He's throwing up all of his usual waystones. | ||
| So we can tell instantly that even he knows he's got nothing. | ||
| Totally. | ||
|
unidentified
|
Right? | |
| So if even he knows he's got nothing going on, how is it that he can get off air and not for a second have any introspection whatsoever? | ||
| I think he checks his bank account. | ||
| I think that's how he does it. | ||
| I think he's fine. | ||
| God, that's the truest thing anybody's ever said. | ||
| Because meanwhile, as of Friday, I mean, I got paid last week, but I had 75 cents in my bank account until I got paid. | ||
| Like a good night. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So I'm living in that world. | ||
| I don't have that to comfort me when we get done recording. | ||
| I have to be like, well, we expressed our legitimate feelings. | ||
| Point it out where Alex Jones is clearly lying, and that's the sort of comfort I can take from it. | ||
| Whereas, if I was making millions of dollars scaring people, I could be like, holy shit, I have so much money. | ||
| My house is security. | ||
| I'm sure he has at least some sort of, probably a fence around his house. | ||
| A moat, perhaps alligators. | ||
| That's possible. | ||
| He gets to go home to essentially a mansion and have no real concerns in the world. | ||
| He just gets to go on air and pretend he has concerns. | ||
| So, I mean, I think that's how you do it. | ||
| Fuck you, everybody who says money can't buy happiness. | ||
| Well, I think also... | ||
| Also money can't buy knockout. | ||
| I mean, I know that we... | ||
| To nobody who's ever said that. | ||
| I know that we kind of are coming from a position that he has brain damage and he's a little nuts. | ||
| But I also do think, in the back of his mind, he knows he's fighting a fake enemy. | ||
| So, when you create a fake enemy, you're never really scared. | ||
| Because the people you're against, you know they don't exist. | ||
| He knows that there aren't globalists trying to kill him. | ||
|
unidentified
|
Yeah. | |
| Because he made that up. | ||
| And on some level he knows that. | ||
| So he can scream about all this stuff. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And the only real thing he has to worry about is like Antifa coming after him or something like that. | ||
|
unidentified
|
Yeah. | |
| And that's not going to happen. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So he's... | ||
| That's the basic... | ||
| Thought I have regarding billionaires. | ||
| He's a sellsword. | ||
| That's a great one, yeah. | ||
| He's just doing this for money in some ways. | ||
| That's the thought that I have a lot about billionaires, is that the reason that they can fund all of these bullshit lies is because they think nobody can touch them. | ||
| Like, imagine if, and I'm not advocating this at all. | ||
| Sounds like you're about to advocate something. | ||
| So about to advocate. | ||
| Is this back to shitting on people's yards? | ||
| No, but imagine if they thought we could touch them, right? | ||
| Because they think that that's not a possibility. | ||
| Imagine a world where Alex Jones was actually afraid for an instant. | ||
| Imagine a world where these white nationalist fucks, these middle-class, comfortable assholes wearing their fucking uniforms. | ||
| Imagine if they thought for a second that they could really be touched. | ||
| You know? | ||
| Vulnerability. | ||
| They don't have any real fears. | ||
| They're making them up and they're pretending that their aggression is defensive when in reality it's bullshit. | ||
| Like, imagine if they were actually on the defense. | ||
| These guys would cry and shit their pants. | ||
| Because they're doing that on the offense already. | ||
| Yeah, they're pathetic cowards. | ||
| Well, but that's the other thing that's really dangerous is when you have a made up True. | ||
| enemy, even though the way you express it is directed at a fake enemy. | ||
| True. | ||
| It's not fair of us to say he's making up his enemy, because in the reality, it is... | ||
| Everybody. | ||
| It's disenfranchised groups, basically anybody who's not white, straight, and male. | ||
|
unidentified
|
Yeah. | |
| And he's fine with women as long as they're hot. | ||
| So that's the... | ||
| Who isn't, right? | ||
| And he's fine... | ||
| You know what I'm saying, man! | ||
|
unidentified
|
Aye! | |
| He's also weirdly fine with minority women as long as they're hot, too. | ||
| It's very strange that his racism is precluded by his boner. | ||
| But it's... | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I've been wrestling a lot with his very bizarre version of racism because he thinks that he's not a racist because he likes Mexican food and stuff like that. | ||
| He's expressed that over and over again. | ||
| I know. | ||
| He's like, if you make good food, I don't care. | ||
| I like your culture. | ||
| You don't think that. | ||
| And even if you did, that's a child's version of... | ||
| Also, that's just insane. | ||
| Right. | ||
| It's offensive. | ||
| I want to talk to him. | ||
| I want to interview him. | ||
| Don't you kind of want to sit down with him and just be like, you know. | ||
| There's so many questions. | ||
| Again, it goes back to the Megan Kelly thing. | ||
| There's so many questions I wish you would have asked that she didn't. | ||
| But let's fucking batten down the hatches and get through the rest of this. | ||
| We've got like four... | ||
| The way that you start a good show is let's fucking get through this. | ||
| Well, I didn't expect us to have a half hour debate about guns. | ||
| I did. | ||
| I always do. | ||
| I have to edit this fucking show. | ||
| Are you going to leave this in? | ||
| Because you goddamn better. | ||
| I will, but you have to realize when I say let's get through it, it's not because I'm like, I hate this. | ||
| It's because looking at the clock, I know I'm not getting to bed before midnight tonight now. | ||
| I'm sorry. | ||
| That's alright. | ||
| I'm sorry, Dan. | ||
| I'll be at work tomorrow hoping for nice tweets from people. | ||
| Anyway. | ||
| Our listeners will thank me. | ||
| That would be the cruelest irony. | ||
| So, in this next clip, we get to see a nice window into Alex Jones and how he generally experiences hearing a news. | ||
| This guy's in half that. | ||
| He's on there all the time. | ||
| But he's the new phase-in, though. | ||
| Usually folks would point out this as much as a bull. | ||
| Now it's kind of like, we're not sure, but all the other hosts have been like, white people are inherently evil, we need to slit our own throats. | ||
| That's kind of short and really lame, but I think it's important to say that that is how he hears most of the people on television who are calling for... | ||
| I don't know, recognition of the nature of whiteness. | ||
| Not white people, but whiteness as a social construct and things like that. | ||
| He hears people bringing up these points as like, white people are inherently evil, they should slit their own throats. | ||
| And that goes to this whole thing that we bring up over and over again. | ||
| Him misunderstanding things and then launching off based on the misunderstanding. | ||
| And it's dangerous. | ||
| That's pretty regular for that type of privilege. | ||
| Just like you talked about seven and a half hours ago when we started this, that if you are in a place of privilege, the idea that anybody taking even a slight little bit away from... | ||
| or anybody getting some of your privilege, not taking it away from you, but... | ||
| Getting to the same level you are is a threat to you. | ||
| It's perceived that way. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| So how can you do anything but perceive it as white people should slit their own throats if somebody's like, hey, white people, maybe fucking stop it. | ||
| I don't like you presenting it as a rational thought process. | ||
| But even for a crazy person, it being a rational thought process. | ||
|
unidentified
|
Right, right, right. | |
| I don't even go in that far. | ||
| I'm not saying that it's a rational thought process. | ||
| I'm saying it is the thought process. | ||
| It is irrational and insane. | ||
| But that is how... | ||
| If you pretend that human beings are not always irrational and insane, you're deluding yourself. | ||
| Yes, exactly. | ||
| You're deluding yourself. | ||
| I agree. | ||
| But I want to get on to this next clip. | ||
| I've been itching to play this clip. | ||
| You've been itching to be some bitchin'. | ||
| I have made a pretty solid argument over the last hundred episodes of this podcast that Alex Jones is a racist. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| But unfortunately... | ||
| An ironclad argument, I would argue. | ||
| That's what we thought. | ||
| But I didn't know this next clip. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| I didn't know this information. | ||
| I might have to revise my stance. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| I was so anti-racist, just inherently, as a human, growing up. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| I got attacked many times by racist black people in Dallas. | ||
|
unidentified
|
Sure. | |
| I never, I still had black friends, and even don't, Jeremy Green was at the Texas Relays, and ran into some guys that were... | ||
|
unidentified
|
Before you even say it, you're already a racist. | |
| Black guys, athletes. | ||
| They're like, you know, I really liked Alex. | ||
|
unidentified
|
Because, you know, some black guys didn't like him, and that guy's a tough guy, but... | |
| You know, he still had black friends, even though, you know, they recognize, like, a bunch of racist black people. | ||
|
unidentified
|
What is this? | |
| And if I saw him beating somebody up, I'd get in there and fight them. | ||
|
unidentified
|
What the fuck? | |
| You know, then I guess I'd put one guy in the hospital, so later I'd fight his uncle, 30 years old or whatever, at the local Sonic or whatever I got to do. | ||
| I'm going to do it. | ||
| And, but it wasn't because they were black. | ||
| It was because they were just attacking somebody. | ||
| But I didn't blame other black people because they were racist black people. | ||
| But now I sit here and I watch this full-on push and it's so one-sided statistically and every time a white person does something, it's like it's the end of the world and they cover up all the other stuff and it's promoting racism and division and it's in the WikiLeaks that that's their plan. | ||
| It's in the WikiLeaks. | ||
| Has anyone ever made an argument against their own argument more clear than that? | ||
| I don't know if I've ever heard anybody... | ||
| Non-argue their position better. | ||
| Well, Darren McBree knows that some black guys that I went to school with like that I was not racist or something. | ||
| What was that? | ||
| Because we would fight a bunch. | ||
| He even talks about how black people like him because he's so tough. | ||
| What is he fucking talking about? | ||
| No, I don't care about any of that. | ||
| That's the most non... | ||
| Hold on. | ||
| That's on its face crazy. | ||
| That's insane. | ||
| But I want to deal more with, I fought this guy, I put him in the hospital, so then I had to fight his uncle! | ||
| Yeah! | ||
| Which, what are you going to do? | ||
| No, that makes perfect sense! | ||
| And we fought at the local Sonic or whatever. | ||
| Of course! | ||
| Where else would you fight? | ||
| Dan, there's the Thunderdome and then there's Sonic. | ||
| And since the Thunderdome isn't real, where else are you going to go? | ||
| You know, you beat each other up and then you get a loaded tot. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| You get some nice sour cream on a tot. | ||
| That's actually the new Sonic commercial. | ||
| Those two guys fight to the death. | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| Dave, not TJ and Dave, it's Dave and that other guy, right? | ||
| Yeah, the Chicago guy. | ||
|
unidentified
|
Yeah, yeah. | |
| I met him one night at a bar. | ||
| He was very nice. | ||
| Cool dudes. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Be that... | ||
| Oh, no, Brian Husky is in those, too. | ||
| Never mind. | ||
| Who cares? | ||
| Which one is the... | ||
| Yeah, never mind. | ||
| Let's not worry about it. | ||
| Let's not go deep into Sonic commercials. | ||
|
unidentified
|
When we... | |
| Let's definitely not go deep into the history of Chicago improv. | ||
| When we look at, like, Alex Jones's negative... | ||
| Uh, childhood, and how bad things were, and how he's not dealing with the realities of it. | ||
| The idea that he fought a guy, put him in the hospital, then fought his uncle at a Sonic, and he's rattling it off as like, eh, it's just normal. | ||
| That's not normal. | ||
| That's very weird. | ||
| Especially the Sonic part. | ||
| They're not everywhere in the States. | ||
| Well, they did exist in central Missouri, and I grew up in central Missouri, and I knew some fucked up dudes. | ||
| I knew some people who were real wild, some people who got into fights. | ||
| And if one of my friends was like, beat up this guy, put him in the hospital, so now I've got to go fight his uncle, I'd be like, you're crazy. | ||
| You are a mess. | ||
| Can you say that one more time? | ||
| I beat up this guy, put him in the hospital, and I've got to beat up his uncle at a Sonic. | ||
| Wait, did they negotiate where they were going to fight? | ||
| Probably. | ||
| I want to go to a rally. | ||
| No, I don't want a burger. | ||
| I want to get a coney. | ||
| I would prefer my home turf and Applebee's. | ||
| Never! | ||
| Everybody has their... | ||
| We go to a neutral location. | ||
| It's the Sonic. | ||
| No, it's like Street Fighter. | ||
| You know, everyone has their stage. | ||
| Alex Jones' stage, it turns out, is the fucking Sonic. | ||
| Yeah, he's like M. Bison. | ||
| Because he's Americana and he loves a drive-in. | ||
| It harkens back to the wonderful days of the 50s when you and your special gal, who you've just given a pin to, would go to Makeout Point after going to the drive-in. | ||
| And a rollerblading waitress would come up to you and ask for your order. | ||
| Maybe you'd slip her a finger. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Hey, it was a good old day. | ||
| So, what I'm saying is, even within hillbilly circles, and I don't like using that term, but whatever. | ||
| I prefer hill people. | ||
| Country folk that I knew growing up. | ||
| Even that would be wild for my experience growing up. | ||
| I gotta beat up this guy's uncle. | ||
| He just tosses it off. | ||
| Also, is that... | ||
|
unidentified
|
Hold on. | |
| One more time. | ||
| I beat up this guy. | ||
| Put him in a hospital. | ||
| So now I have to fight his uncle. | ||
| I have to. | ||
| There's no negotiation. | ||
| I have to fight this guy. | ||
| Exactly like what you're saying. | ||
| It's a video game. | ||
| I defeated level one, so now I have to go to level two. | ||
| The uncle is ostensibly the boss. | ||
| The other thing I want to take from this is that is that the same guy he put in a coma? | ||
| Because that might not be the same guy. | ||
| Who Alex Jones put in a coma and then got sued. | ||
|
unidentified
|
Right. | |
| His dad got sued because of it. | ||
| So maybe he's put multiple people in the hospital and then fought their family members. | ||
| Still further, did he put him into the hospital as like, oh, he had a couple of stitches? | ||
| Did he put him into the hospital as in... | ||
| This sounds like impatient. | ||
| He has a... | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It doesn't sound like he had to go get a splint on his hand. | ||
| Still further, is any of this bullshit real? | ||
| It feels real. | ||
| That does feel real. | ||
| Whenever he tosses off shit like that, it's so weird because he tosses off so much nonsense. | ||
| You know, like, ah, Hillary killed five people. | ||
| You know, and he just throws it off to the side. | ||
| She's personally raped children. | ||
| Yeah, but this... | ||
| This feels so strange as though he's like, everybody relates to this. | ||
| This is a normal thing. | ||
| The reason it feels real is because it's braggy. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He loves to brag. | ||
| But that's also why I disbelieve it, because every time he brags, it's usually bullshit. | ||
| Yeah, it's gray. | ||
| I'm not sure, but it's funny. | ||
| I had to find his own... | ||
| I had to. | ||
| I'm going to skip this next clip because it's just about how Antifa started it. | ||
| Of course they did. | ||
| We don't need to hear about this. | ||
| This is something everybody knows. | ||
| So the rest of the video pretty much is Alex Jones just reviewing Fox News stuff. | ||
| It's what we've experienced already and it goes on for a long time. | ||
| It's very repetitious. | ||
| So we don't have much more of it. | ||
| We just have one more clip. | ||
| Then Trump comes on and gives his announcement. | ||
| He gives his press conference about it. | ||
| We're not going to listen to that, but I do want to deal with it after this clip because this is funny. | ||
| This is good. | ||
| This is maybe someone expressing something to Alex that I'd like to say to him. | ||
| I see a few trolls on there saying, shut up, Alex. | ||
| You can go watch this on Fox News. | ||
| People are tuning into this stream to hear what I have to say when I'm doing it on Saturday, not with my family. | ||
| And I'm not bitching. | ||
| It's just, I love the resort of cowards and libtards. | ||
| I just like the idea that he's spending time to be like, people are telling me to shut up. | ||
| Alright, great. | ||
| Great. | ||
| Somebody's gotta get there. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Oh, these libtards. | ||
| I have come to... | ||
| I deeply love the word libtard. | ||
| I think it's hilarious. | ||
| It's had the same lifespan as cuck. | ||
| So funny. | ||
| It's the same thing for them as fake news. | ||
| We can just throw cuck and libtard around. | ||
| It doesn't take skin off our back. | ||
| Whereas they're like, ah, fake news. | ||
| They're a little more mad about it. | ||
| They're more mad about literally everything. | ||
| I sincerely don't care about being called a cuck or a libtard. | ||
| I find it hilarious. | ||
| It's pretty funny. | ||
| So what's not funny is Trump's... | ||
| You know what else? | ||
| I find it pretty sexy. | ||
| So Trump's press conference that he gave about this, the distillation of it, if you guys did not hear it, which you shouldn't, you don't need to listen to that. | ||
| There's nothing there. | ||
| No. | ||
| He says that he decries violence and bigotry on many sides. | ||
| On many sides. | ||
| He repeats it twice. | ||
| Right. | ||
| I saw it, and I have yet to not be angry about it. | ||
| I didn't actually watch him say these words, because I've never... | ||
| Since he's been elected, or since he's taken office, I have never actively listened to him say a word. | ||
| Except when I forced you to. | ||
| Yes, exactly. | ||
| But that's the point. | ||
| I've never... | ||
| Done it. | ||
| Like, I've read his words. | ||
| Other people have often posted it and done all of this shit. | ||
| I have never actively said, I'm going to listen to what he has to say. | ||
| Because he is... | ||
| He has nothing to say. | ||
| Everything he says, everything he tweets is a lie. | ||
| Or it's made up. | ||
| Or it's bullshit. | ||
| Or it doesn't mean anything. | ||
| Like, he has no words worth listening to. | ||
| And it boggles my mind that people still listen to him. | ||
| Like, even North Korea, whenever he says... | ||
| Oh, I'm gonna nuke North Korea. | ||
| Even they're like, dude, you don't have anything to say. | ||
| Shut up. | ||
| Kim Jong-un is doing a jack-off motion. | ||
| Yeah, exactly! | ||
| No one should listen to anything. | ||
| He doesn't even control the fucking government! | ||
| I don't disagree with you, but at the same time, the rhetoric is important to track in many ways. | ||
| On many sides, as it were. | ||
| Because... | ||
| Nicely done. | ||
| Donate to KnowledgeFly. | ||
| Him phrasing it that way implies that what he believes or what he would like to express is, hey, everyone's got egg on their face. | ||
| Mistakes were made on all sides as opposed to, this was a Nazi march. | ||
| This was a Nazi demonstration and people got killed. | ||
| There were murders or a murder and... | ||
| Heather. | ||
| Heather was murdered. | ||
| And lots of people who got injured. | ||
| So the reason that it's important that he... | ||
| Said on many sides is you have to think about how the white nationalists and the Nazis are going to respond to hearing that sort of thing. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| So Andrew Anglin is the name of the guy who runs Daily Stormer. | ||
| And his response is very telling. | ||
| His response to Trump's statement that there's trouble on many sides is, end of quote, Trump's comments were good. | ||
| He didn't attack us. | ||
| He just said the nation should come together. | ||
| Nothing specific against us. | ||
| He said that we need to study why people are so angry and implied there was hate on both sides. | ||
| So he implied that Antifa are haters. | ||
| There was virtually no counter signaling of us at all. | ||
| He said he loves us all. | ||
| Also refused to answer a question about white nationalists supporting him. | ||
| No condemnation at all. | ||
| When asked to condemn, he just walked out of the room. | ||
| Really, really good. | ||
| God bless him. | ||
|
unidentified
|
Thank you. | |
| I don't understand why I would care. | ||
| I mean, I don't care. | ||
| If Trump said, we hate white nationalists, who cares? | ||
| He doesn't mean it. | ||
| He could have said fucking anything. | ||
| He could have said that... | ||
| He is 10 feet tall and he's a dinosaur and it means just as much as if he condemned it or as if he didn't. | ||
| And he's a purple penguin. | ||
| Yeah, and he's a purple penguin. | ||
| It doesn't mean anything. | ||
| I agree with you that there's a lot of lies mixed into everything he says. | ||
| But I think it does matter in this sense because of the absence of what he should have said. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| I do know what you mean. | ||
| It's beyond a dog whistle to these Nazis and white supremacists to not have the President of the United States specifically condemn their hate rhetoric and to condemn people hiling him and not to condemn people screaming blood and soil not to condemn people outright being publicly Thrilled to be members of Nazi organizations. | ||
| To not condemn someone who was involved with, at very least, maybe not in some wildly official capacity, Vanguard America, directly murdering somebody. | ||
| For him to not condemn those things is much bigger than anything he could have possibly said. | ||
| Because it gives them a tacit acceptance. | ||
| It tells them it's okay. | ||
| In the same way that when David Duke was there, He's saying that we're fulfilling the promises of Donald Trump. | ||
| I know and I get that point. | ||
| And if we lived in... | ||
| If Trump was anybody else, I would agree with you. | ||
| But it's fucking Trump. | ||
| So, War Games this with me, right? | ||
| He comes out. | ||
| He says, we will not accept white nationalists. | ||
| Right. | ||
| What's their response? | ||
| He had to say that to save face. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| It doesn't mean anything in any direction because he is supporting them. | ||
| Regardless, if you say, I condemn white nationalists, and you have Jeff Sessions say, we're not going to investigate white nationalist terrorism, it doesn't matter. | ||
| Whatever it is he fucking says, based on what he's done, he is supporting them. | ||
| So I don't give a shit if he condemns it or not. | ||
| He's fucking full, he's a liar, and he's already said that he supports white nationalism. | ||
| We don't need any further proof. | ||
| I agree. | ||
| I don't understand why people are surprised at this. | ||
| That boggles my mind. | ||
| And I definitely don't understand why people, because you have to imagine, okay, so even worse, right? | ||
| Even worse to me would be if he says, I condemn white nationalism. | ||
| Interesting. | ||
| Because then what happens in the press? | ||
| Probably gets congratulated. | ||
|
unidentified
|
Yep. | |
| Yeah. | ||
| And he still supports white nationalism. | ||
| Yeah, but I agree with you. | ||
| His daughter said, we don't have any place for white nationalism in this country. | ||
| So the fuck what? | ||
| Do something, you piles of garbage. | ||
| I agree with you in a broad sense. | ||
| But the reason that I'm still standing in my position is that it's not really necessarily about what Trump says or doesn't say or does or doesn't say. | ||
| It's what messaging is sent to these fringe radical groups. | ||
| And sure, if he had come out and said, I condemn white nationalists and Nazis and this is atrocious and has... | ||
| We are going to do everything we can to make sure that these sorts of things never happen again. | ||
| They could say he needed to do that because the Jew media is on his tail or something like that. | ||
| They could say that. | ||
| They would say that. | ||
| Right. | ||
| But that doesn't matter. | ||
| In as much as he didn't say those things and they don't have to stretch. | ||
| They don't have to. | ||
| They got what they wanted. | ||
| They are accepted. | ||
| They are safe. | ||
| In a lot of ways. | ||
| Like I'm trying to say, it's less about Trump, and it's more about the fact that we now live in a world where our president doesn't condemn stuff like this, and we live in a world where they, these groups, get to operate in sunlight, and they don't have to be afraid. | ||
| I don't understand. | ||
| I get you. | ||
| This is, again, one of those things where... | ||
| They don't have to stretch. | ||
| In a vacuum, I agree with you. | ||
| But if Obama came out and said, while he was president, white nationalists are great, that wouldn't have mattered to them. | ||
| That's interesting, yeah. | ||
| It wouldn't have. | ||
|
unidentified
|
Probably not. | |
| Would it? | ||
| No, of course not. | ||
| Although I think some of them probably would have been like, Obama is a sleeper patriot at that point. | ||
| And they did... | ||
| Trump is a white nationalist. | ||
| He was before today. | ||
| He will be tomorrow. | ||
| He could have said, I will pee on the face of Richard Spencer. | ||
| It doesn't matter. | ||
| He's a white nationalist. | ||
| We know that. | ||
| In the same way that Alex Jones can say, I don't support David Duke. | ||
| It doesn't matter. | ||
| He does. | ||
| Like, we already lived in that world yesterday. | ||
| We did. | ||
| Because they did it. | ||
| Right? | ||
| He didn't need to condemn white nationalism two days ago. | ||
| No, but... | ||
| Did he? | ||
| No, but the point... | ||
| And they still did their bullshit. | ||
| Right. | ||
| They were going to do it tomorrow. | ||
| They're going to do it today. | ||
| It doesn't matter what Trump says. | ||
| They're going to keep doing it. | ||
| I agree that it doesn't matter necessarily what Trump says in terms of their actions, but in many ways, I would argue that this organization, this... | ||
| This protest, this demonstration, this Nazi gathering, as it were, is a trial balloon, in some senses. | ||
| I don't think that they necessarily, like, at the beginning of it, it was planned, we're going to run people over with a car. | ||
| I think that's probably a game-time decision, and probably wasn't intended. | ||
| But a lot of the other stuff was. | ||
| A lot of the, obviously, the out-and-out bigotry, the screaming that we will not be replaced as white people, the Jews won't replace us, that sort of shit is planned. | ||
| And that is, in a lot of ways, I know this is kind of, again, a little heady and a little bit not dealing with... | ||
| The fact that the reality is what it is. | ||
| But it's a trial balloon to see how people react. | ||
| It's a trial balloon to see what's acceptable. | ||
| Where is the line? | ||
| And what they learned, I believe, what white nationalists and Nazis learned is the supreme authority, the commander-in-chief of our country is not going to be all that bothered by the fact that we did this shit. | ||
| And he's going to actually say that the people who are trying to stand up against us are just as bad as us. | ||
| And I know That your argument is sound that he, Trump, was that person three days ago, a week ago. | ||
| He was that person when he was being raised by his KKK going to meetings father. | ||
| That's always been there. | ||
| But three days ago, we didn't have a situation like this happen and, oh, dad's not going to punish us or something like that. | ||
| It gives carte blanche in a lot of ways. | ||
| That what we're going to see is more trial balloons because there's emboldened nature. | ||
| And I know everyone's been emboldened from the jump, but there's concrete evidence that nothing's going to be done. | ||
| But there was before. | ||
| Not as overt. | ||
| Maybe not as overt. | ||
| Not as extreme. | ||
| I guess my issue with this is that this still doesn't matter. | ||
| Nobody's going to do anything about it. | ||
| Well, the dude got arrested, so that's good. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Fucking, he might as well get off. | ||
| I don't care. | ||
| Bare minimum, he got arrested, so that's something. | ||
| This is nonsense. | ||
| I don't think this matters. | ||
| I don't think it matters. | ||
| If it mattered, if this was something important, then we would have done something about guns after Sandy Hook. | ||
| This shit has been going on. | ||
| This shit will be going on, and it doesn't matter what Trump says. | ||
| It didn't matter after Ferguson what Obama said. | ||
| This shit continues to go on. | ||
| Until anybody actually fucking does a goddamn thing about it, I don't care what Trump says. | ||
| I don't even care what Obama says about Ferguson. | ||
| They didn't do anything about it. | ||
| Fair. | ||
| If you don't do anything, who the fuck gives a shit what you say? | ||
| I get what you're saying, and I agree. | ||
| Okay, well then we're done. | ||
| I also agree with my position though too. | ||
| I know and I understand and because this is a position that I have heard continuously throughout the day. | ||
| Is that symbolism is important. | ||
| And this is a symbolic admission that white nationalists can do whatever the fuck they want. | ||
| I don't think they cared. | ||
| I don't. | ||
| What does that mean? | ||
| I mean, I don't think they cared when... | ||
| I don't think gun rights... | ||
| The NRA didn't give a shit whenever Obama said that we shouldn't have any more Sandy Hooks. | ||
| The NRA didn't give a shit whenever there was that other mass shooting or another mass shooting. | ||
| The KKK didn't give a fuck whenever Dylann Roof murdered people. | ||
| They don't care. | ||
| They don't care about what the government says or what the president says or what anybody fucking does because they've already got tacit approval to do whatever they want. | ||
| And they've had it for the past 150 goddamn years. | ||
| I don't know what else there is to say about who gives a fuck what the president says because nothing has fucking changed. | ||
| Yeah, you're right. | ||
| You're right. | ||
|
unidentified
|
But it's going to get worse. | |
| Well, exactly! | ||
| And it was going to get worse, regardless of what he said today. | ||
| I think it was going to get worse slower. | ||
| Really? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Do you really believe that? | ||
| Well, the way I look at it, essentially, is that it's like a bunch of rebellious, dumb children, to some extent. | ||
| And they're trying to steal cookies or something. | ||
| I hate this metaphor I started. | ||
| Yeah, I already get where you're going with this metaphor. | ||
| Maybe your sister is trying to stop you from stealing the cookies, and you guys get into a little scuffle and you break a jar, or something like that. | ||
| When Dad comes in, it's both of your fault. | ||
| When you were trying to steal cookies, which is against the rules, and your sister was trying to stop you from stealing cookies, you are, as the cookie stealer, the fact that you're both being punished or both being castigated because... | ||
| of what ended up happening by the authority figure it makes you feel like hey maybe stealing cookies isn't that big a deal maybe it's not going to be taken seriously around these parts anymore and that is a problem although I do 100% recognize what you're saying that of course they already had permission for a long time the moment Jeff Sessions was allowed to continue That's... | ||
| I just... | ||
| And frankly, I guess it's more just coming from my cynical death wish at this point. | ||
| I'm more into just get it over with already. | ||
| If you're going to murder us all, then just fucking do it. | ||
| I'm sick of this nuclear war bullshit with North Korea. | ||
| Fucking do it. | ||
| I'm done. | ||
| No, of course not. | ||
| These guys are fucking idiots. | ||
| But the point is... | ||
| Like, that's why I have no issue with being discovered by the Info Warriors or whatever. | ||
| I have no issue with getting death threats. | ||
| If you're going to kill me, fucking do it. | ||
| I'm tired of waiting. | ||
| I'm tired of having to pull this bullshit. | ||
| Either do it or fucking don't do it. | ||
| Don't kill me. | ||
| Also, don't kill Jordan, because it's going to be tough to find a new co-host. | ||
| I get what you're saying, and before we get entirely nihilistic, let's end the show. | ||
| I'm sorry, I'm sorry. | ||
| Let's end this. | ||
| I feel like every day I wake up and the GOP has a gun to my head, and I'm just saying, do it or don't. | ||
| And they refuse to... | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| You know what doesn't feel like having a gun to your head? | ||
|
unidentified
|
Going to knowledgebite.com. | |
| God, I love our show. | ||
| KnowledgeFight.com is our website. | ||
| If you'd like to donate to the show, there's a button that says support the show. | ||
| It's right there. | ||
| You can become a policy wonk. | ||
| We've got buttons we'll send you. | ||
| There's bonus content available on the website for wonks. | ||
| You can also... | ||
| We'll probably set up a thing where you can buy buttons separately, or if you become a policy wonk, you can get yourself a button. | ||
| Listen, this first button is very bare-bones. | ||
| It's very simple, but we'll have some... | ||
| Real exciting stuff in the future. | ||
|
unidentified
|
Maybe. | |
| I don't know. | ||
| It says knowledge fight with Jordan and Dan, which seems very inappropriate. | ||
| It should be with Dan and Jordan, but whatever. | ||
| I didn't set this up. | ||
| I'm very humble. | ||
| Too humble. | ||
| You can also follow us at knowledge underscore fight. | ||
| Dan generally controls that Twitter account, so you won't be here. | ||
| You respond to stuff on there, too. | ||
| I love to like things. | ||
| Also on Facebook. | ||
| You can find us. | ||
| Just Knowledge Fight on there. | ||
| I listened to you and Matt Riggs and I was really hoping that without me there you wouldn't indulge in the Facebook. | ||
| But you did it. | ||
| You did it. | ||
| It's there for life. | ||
| Subscribe to us on iTunes, please. | ||
| We like it. | ||
| Tell everybody you know about us. | ||
| Literally everybody. | ||
| Literally everybody. | ||
| Because sooner or later they're going to find a way to arrest me. | ||
| You can leave a review. | ||
| And, you know, give us a rating on iTunes. | ||
| It helps or something. | ||
| I don't fucking know. | ||
| Who knows? | ||
| Anyway. | ||
| iTunes has an opaque system. | ||
| Glad you're back, Jordan. | ||
|
unidentified
|
It's... | |
| It was nice doing the episode with Riggs, but of course it's not nearly as insane because he's not tapped into how crazy all this shit is, so it's new for him, whereas we just dwell in it. | ||
| None of our replacement Jordans have been quite willing to go this far. | ||
| It's freeing to just be able to have shorthand and dive into stuff and I appreciate it. | ||
| We love you guys so very much. | ||
| Someone we don't love. | ||
| Is there somebody we don't love? | ||
| One guy. | ||
| Also, dude, dude, dude, dude, dude, I got news. | ||
| Wait, what? | ||
| But we're trying to do the bit! | ||
| It's about the bit. | ||
| Are we never gonna do the bit? | ||
| It's about the bit. | ||
| Okay, tell me about the bit. | ||
| So I was Googling and trying to research this Elohim City stuff. | ||
|
unidentified
|
Yes. | |
| Trying to figure out exactly where a lot of these ideas about Timothy McVeigh being a patsy came from. | ||
| No shit. | ||
| John Rappaport wrote a book about it. | ||
| No shit! | ||
| Don't you dare! | ||
| I didn't know that. | ||
| Oh, do you know what that means then? | ||
| John Rapport can fuck himself. | ||
| Andy in Kansas, you're on the air. | ||
| Thanks for holding. | ||
|
unidentified
|
Hello, Alex. | |
| I'm a first-time caller. | ||
| I'm a huge fan. | ||
| I love your work. |