Today, Jordan is about to embark on a vacation overseas, but before he goes, Dan has to tell him all about what has been going on lately on The Alex Jones Show. He briefly touches on the nonsense Alex has been selling about Seth Rich, but most of the episode has to do with a deeply, deeply troubling interview Alex conducts on the Friday installment of his show, where he disseminates pro-Putin propaganda.
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| Andy in Kansas, you're on the air. | ||
| Thanks for holding. | ||
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Hello, Alex. | |
| I'm a first-time caller. | ||
| I'm a huge fan. | ||
| I love your work. | ||
| I love you. | ||
| Hey, everybody. | ||
| Welcome back to Knowledge Fight. | ||
| I'm Dan. | ||
| I'm Jordan. | ||
| We are a couple dudes who like to sit around, drink novelty beverages, and have a little chit-chat about Alex Jones. | ||
| There is, however, a twist to that, correct? | ||
| One important twist. | ||
| There's one big one. | ||
| It's like our blues traveler, if you will. | ||
| It's like a structural... | ||
| If you were going to dox us, it would be with our hook. | ||
| We're our show to be a pretzel. | ||
| This would be the thing in the middle. | ||
| And that is that I know a lot about Alex Jones. | ||
| I don't know anything about Alex Jones. | ||
| And there we find our dynamic. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| Today we are celebrating a little bit because you're about to go on vacation. | ||
| I'm about to leave. | ||
| I'm about to go to Iceland and see the glaciers right before they disappear forever. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| So this week might be a little strange on the podcast. | ||
| I might be trying to get some replacement Jordans to fill in here and there. | ||
| But I don't know. | ||
| We'll see what happens. | ||
| But for now we're celebrating. | ||
| Safe travels to you, sir. | ||
| Wonderful. | ||
| Give my best. | ||
| Yes, to the people of Helsinki. | ||
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Oh, yeah. | |
| Wrong country. | ||
| Reykjavik. | ||
| Yeah, Reykjavik is the one. | ||
| Now, we also have in backup... | ||
| Oh, we didn't mention that we're... | ||
| Did I say we're drinking Boone's Farm? | ||
| You said we're drinking Boone's Farm. | ||
| I don't think I did. | ||
| I think I just said because we're celebrating and I was going to get to the fact that... | ||
| Oh, you didn't. | ||
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All right. | |
| We got Boone's. | ||
| I've had too much Boone's already. | ||
| I've had a couple of sips and I am drunk. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Now, we have backup for drinks, though. | ||
| Indeed. | ||
| And that, as you have told me, is built around patriotism. | ||
| What color is that box of Pabst blue ribbon? | ||
| There is a red... | ||
| There's a red stripe. | ||
| There is. | ||
| It's got a white background. | ||
| And a blue ribbon. | ||
| And a blue goddamn ribbon. | ||
| That's for America. | ||
| That's American America. | ||
| And that's going to come into play. | ||
| That's going to be very important. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's more Chicago America, but you know. | ||
| Look, Chicago's a great part of America. | ||
| We love it. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| Speaking of things we love, I'd like to give a shout out to our new donator. | ||
| What's going on out there, Kyle? | ||
| I'm a policy wonk. | ||
| Thank you for joining up with the show. | ||
| Welcome aboard, Kyle! | ||
| If you would like to become a policy wonk yourself, you can do so by going to knowledgefight.com and clicking the support the show button. | ||
| You should. | ||
| You'll become a policy wonk. | ||
| I recommend it. | ||
| It's a high status position in these here parts. | ||
| So, Jordan. | ||
| In these parts, yes. | ||
| Before you go on vacation, I wanted to sit down with you, record this episode, because I needed you, I couldn't allow the idea of you going on vacation without being up to speed. | ||
| On what's been going on in 2017 with Alex Jones. | ||
| Oh, absolutely. | ||
| That way I can jump right back in. | ||
| I'm sure nothing will happen in the next week that will be very important. | ||
| No, the rate of our political system and how everything's going, it's going to be pretty static. | ||
| Yeah, it's going to calm down. | ||
| It's really going to be... | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So we're going to be going over mostly August 4th. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Friday, August 4th. | ||
| But in order to catch you up, I'm going to be just discussing... | ||
| Today's the third. | ||
| Friday's the third, right? | ||
| We're recording this on Friday. | ||
| Holy shit! | ||
| It's Friday, August 4th? | ||
| Do you need to get to a plane? | ||
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That would be funny. | |
| You and your girlfriend both have the same date-based delusion? | ||
| So, on the second, which was Wednesday, Alex Jones, as I mentioned on the last episode, on the first, he was coming in with some new Seth Risch. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| He was coming in with another wrinkle in the Seth Rich case, and then on the second, he goes even harder. | ||
| He goes even further, and that is because some audio was released of Seymour Hersh, award-winning journalist Seymour Hersh, talking about how the Russian stuff is all nonsense, and he knows... | ||
| Who has, like, concocted all of it. | ||
| Uh-huh. | ||
| And that he has been told by high-level sources that Seth Rich was the source for WikiLeaks. | ||
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The fall guy. | |
| He was the guy. | ||
| He was the guy who gave stuff to WikiLeaks. | ||
| But he also says, I don't know if that murder was related to it. | ||
| So that... | ||
| Could have just been a murder, whatever. | ||
| You win some, you lose some. | ||
| Crazy coincidence. | ||
| It would be a crazy coincidence, right? | ||
| So beyond that, in the Seymour Hersh tape, he's talking about how... | ||
| Uh-uh. | ||
| It indicated to people that he had given a locked Dropbox code. | ||
| A digital Dropbox. | ||
| Right. | ||
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To some friends. | |
| So even killing him wouldn't stop the dissemination of this information. | ||
| That stuff would be very trackable. | ||
| He also did hide stuff under a park bench. | ||
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Indeed. | |
| In Central Park. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| Safest place. | ||
| Absolutely, like in the movies. | ||
| The problem with this narrative is, first of all, Seymour Hersh, the last statement that he gave was that he talked to the gentleman who... | ||
| Oh, God, this is such a twisted web. | ||
| So there was that Republican fundraiser, that donor, that big donor, who had hired Rod Wheeler, the private detective, and got the family to sign off on it, Seth Rich's family to sign off. | ||
| But he paid for it and was directing it, and now Rod Wheeler is suing Fox News for taking his words out of context and attributing quotes to him that he didn't say. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| So that... | ||
| Big donor is also the one who apparently recorded Seymour Hersh saying these things. | ||
| I'm sure he doesn't have a vested interest in either direction. | ||
| This is pure... | ||
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Very unbiased. | |
| This is just about getting the truth out. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| And then beyond that, Seymour Hersh has said... | ||
| The only comment that he's made about the entire situation is that all he's heard is rumors. | ||
| And that the donor guy, whose name... | ||
| Always slips my mind. | ||
| I feel very bad about that. | ||
| But he actually just... | ||
| I think the quote was, he heard two and two and put them together and made his own conclusion. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Now, did Seymour confirm that that was his voice and those were his recordings? | ||
| He does not make a comment about the actual tape. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| It seems like it would be really important for him to make that comment or it to be true. | ||
| There are some deep... | ||
| Well, I mean, if you do a voice comparison, apparently it's pretty similar. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| I don't know if I can scientifically say that. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's believable that it is him, but it is a real problem that he's, you know, making the statements that all I've heard is rumors, and then on this tape he's saying something that... | ||
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Yeah. | |
| It's coming off as not just rumors. | ||
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Uh-huh. | |
| It's explosive. | ||
| Yeah, absolutely. | ||
| I mean, the idea that Seymour Hersh, somebody who does have a real track record in journalism as opposed to all the people that we deal with, the idea of him giving credence to the Seth Rich conspiracy is a huge deal. | ||
| So if he isn't commenting on whether or not it's his voice and the audio comparison says it's him... | ||
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I think he's probably the guy who did it. | |
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
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Well... | |
| I mean, kill Seth Rich. | ||
| That's what he did. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Wait, what are you talking about? | ||
| I'm talking about Seymour Hersh killed Seth Rich. | ||
| That's one theory. | ||
| Troubling if true. | ||
| Troubling if true. | ||
| The thing that you also have to take into account with this is Seymour Hersh has won a couple of Pulitzer Prizes. | ||
| He is a historically respected journalist. | ||
| He's a real journalist. | ||
| But he's also a guy who has believed nonsense stories from anonymous sources repeatedly throughout his career. | ||
| Okay. | ||
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There is a lot of criticism of him that you can find of people who are like, this is absurd. | |
| This is absolutely absurd. | ||
| He is believing people just telling him shit. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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And he's even said that he has a different journalistic standard that he keeps himself to in his writing. | |
| I don't like that. | ||
| I don't like that. | ||
| So if he gives a speech, he doesn't have to hold himself to the standards that he has to hold to writing. | ||
| So he said, quote, Which is troubling. | ||
| That doesn't sound great. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I can't lie when I publish things, but I will lie all the time if I'm talking to you. | ||
| Or I can lie. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| And then there was also a really high-profile thing. | ||
| And the fact that he didn't say, forget the dates, or maybe I mistranslated them. | ||
| He said fudge, which kind of suggests he's lying. | ||
| Intentionally. | ||
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| So the other thing is that there was a pretty high-profile incident of him. | ||
| Claiming that the Abu Ghraib prison, that soldiers were raping little boys and that they were being videotaped to terrorize people, to terrorize detainees, and the soundtrack of The Screams would play and stuff like that. | ||
| Wait, American soldiers were raping little boys at Abu Ghraib? | ||
| That was the contention. | ||
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Wow! | |
| And it turns out that when he was pressed on that, he pretty much... | ||
| Backed down to saying, look, some contractor might have raped a young boy, and someone might have taken a picture of it. | ||
| It's like, well, there's a bit of a difference between these two stories. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I don't know what, like, that embellishment... | ||
| I wouldn't put it beyond Blackwater. | ||
| They've done all the atrocities you can do. | ||
| I am not talking about what's true and what's not. | ||
| I'm talking about what... | ||
| when asked about those claims. | ||
| Yes. | ||
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So though Seymour Hersh does have a good track record with like the My Lai Massacre, other things he's uncovered, he does also have a problematic history of embellishing, admitting he embellishes, and Gotcha. | |
| Gotcha. | ||
| has happened a bunch. | ||
| So I don't, I can't take Seymour Hersh's word totally at face value from this anonymous, Anonymously sourced clip that is published on Cassandra Fairbanks' website. | ||
| I did not know that. | ||
| So it also has a providence problem, like where it's ending up coming from. | ||
| So Alex Jones is screaming about this for most of the day, but I don't want to listen to that because it's nonsense. | ||
| So I have this clip instead for you, and it's him sort of talking about... | ||
| He's still a little mad about John Oliver. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| And so he's in the middle of a plug, and here's what he says. | ||
| With just water. | ||
| It tastes okay. | ||
| And I want you to try it with milk and a few ice cubes and tell me if it doesn't taste delicious. | ||
| The issue is, though, a lot of folks are using it for weight loss because it's so filling. | ||
| That's why some people now are actually whipping it up in a blender and then freezing it and eating it kind of like yogurt ice cream or something. | ||
| In fact, we're going to do a whole... | ||
| I'm doing a taste test. | ||
| I think I'm going to go down the hike and bike trail with a whole setup and do a taste test of it. | ||
| Why are you worried about the hike and bike trail? | ||
| Hey, Pepsi challenge. | ||
| From someplace like Wendy's. | ||
| If you're getting a Frosty, you're going to get it from someplace like Wendy's. | ||
| Maybe from Wendy's. | ||
| I'm going to get a Big Mac from a place that's like... | ||
| McDonald's. | ||
| I'm going to get a peanut buster parfait from a place that's like Wendy's as well. | ||
| How dare you? | ||
| It's from the Brazier. | ||
| It's from the Dairy Queen. | ||
| I used to work there when I was 15. It was a miserable time. | ||
| So you have a lot of brand loyalty. | ||
| But I did eat a lot of peanut buster parfaits to lose weight. | ||
| Delicious. | ||
| Because they were so filling. | ||
| They were so filling. | ||
| Right. | ||
| That's him skirting the line of saying this is a weight loss product. | ||
| Yeah, no, no, it's not doing that. | ||
| That's right on the line. | ||
| A lot of people are using it for weight loss because it tastes so bad you never want to eat again. | ||
| Right, right. | ||
| But isn't it fascinating how it's still just in his craw that John Oliver insinuated that one of his products tastes bad and used his own reaction as evidence of it. | ||
| Furious about that. | ||
| Yeah, no, that's completely in character. | ||
| I would be shocked if he just moved on from that. | ||
| Totally. | ||
| Like, this is an affront to him, this is an affront to his business, and this is a reason that people might not buy shit, which is the only thing he cannot abide. | ||
| Yeah, and he's petty. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| So, that's, you know, most of the substance of the second is taken up with the Seth Rich narrative. | ||
| And I want to be fully fucking clear about this. | ||
| Infowars as an institution should, I mean, first of all, they don't have any credibility to begin with. | ||
| None. | ||
| But they should have lost their credibility vis-a-vis Seth Rich when they tried to pull that stunt where Jerome Corsi might get murdered this weekend. | ||
| That's right. | ||
| That's right. | ||
| How quick we forget that they pretended that Jerome Corsi was going to get murdered. | ||
| Is Jerome Corsi still alive? | ||
| He is. | ||
| He was just on the other day. | ||
| I mean, now. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| As we record, is Jerome Corsi alive? | ||
| This is Friday, August 4th. | ||
| If by Monday we don't know whether or not he's alive, I think we know what happened. | ||
| You're doing another weekend now. | ||
| I think we know what happened. | ||
| This is bullshit. | ||
| Seymour Hersh killed him. | ||
| Gotta keep eyes on that Hirsch. | ||
| Sigh, Hirsch! | ||
| Or the ghost of Seth Rich did it. | ||
| I will buy both. | ||
| Could have been a vindictive ghost. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| So we move on to August 3rd. | ||
| It's Seth Rich's bones that are in that broth these days. | ||
| It's weight loss. | ||
| So Alex, surprisingly, much to my surprise, he actually drops the Seth Rich narrative just immediately. | ||
| You know why? | ||
| Because on the 3rd, it came out that that info warrior got fired from the government. | ||
| So that was the story where... | ||
| Oh, yeah, that's right. | ||
| The guy put out the whole globalist... | ||
| ...got fired from the National Security Board Department. | ||
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NSC, yeah. | |
| Yeah, because he had written a paper... | ||
| That had to do with how the globalists were trying to team up with the Islamicists to overrun the country. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| And H.R. McMaster said, uh-oh. | ||
| No, no, you get out. | ||
| You get out because you are crazy. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Of course, Alex Jones sees that as H.R. McMaster is a fucking globalist. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| And he's trying to keep our people out. | ||
| And, of course... | ||
| Should as we all should! | ||
| From everywhere. | ||
| But hold on. | ||
| I don't want to get a peanut buster parfait from an info warrior. | ||
| You're talking about Wendy's? | ||
| Place like it. | ||
| Gotcha. | ||
| The thing that I think is super fascinating is if Alex himself believed that Seth Rich was murdered by the DNC, as his narrative would lead you to believe he believes, he wouldn't stop. | ||
| Talking about it. | ||
| Right. | ||
| He makes a big deal out of it for a day so he can come back to it a week down the road, two weeks down the road, or whatever. | ||
| To become one of his new waystones. | ||
| Right. | ||
| He just gets bored by things. | ||
| It's like, this would unravel everything. | ||
| Why don't you keep going down that road, you dumb dumb? | ||
| It's boring. | ||
| Well, he also just knows there's nothing here. | ||
| Yeah, of course. | ||
| He knows that, you know, push too far, you start to realize, oh my god, it's other Russian-aligned propagandists who are putting out this information. | ||
| Shit. | ||
| So, the thing that I think is really fascinating, I think you're gonna love this too, I think everyone's gonna love this, is that Alex's main complaint is that they're trying to encircle Trump. | ||
| They're trying to cut off all communication with him from people who aren't approved by H.R. McMaster, General Kelly, and who's the third one? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Mad Dog. | ||
| Mattis. | ||
| So you got this triangle of generals, and hey, I'm with you. | ||
| I don't want generals all over the place. | ||
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No, no, no, no. | |
| I'm not thrilled with that. | ||
| I'm guessing they're going to think everything is a nail and use the hammer that they're used to. | ||
| Yeah, I don't want a military coup. | ||
| No! | ||
| It turns out Alex doesn't either. | ||
| What? | ||
| But we have very different views on it. | ||
| Because he thinks the globalists are using these generals to get Trump out in a military coup. | ||
| Whereas rational minds would look at it and say, Huh. | ||
| You know what? | ||
| He appointed all those generals. | ||
| He's clearly doing this on purpose. | ||
| Maybe they'll effect a coup for him. | ||
| Or maybe he's just an idiot. | ||
| Or frankly, Trump is a moron. | ||
| They can just tell him what they want him to do and he'll do it. | ||
| They have an effective coup. | ||
| Yeah, it's effectively a military junta at this point. | ||
| If the cabinet is all people... | ||
| It's fucking Dr. Strangelove. | ||
| That's what we're dealing with. | ||
| To some extent. | ||
| Alex believes that, and maybe it's true, maybe it's not, I don't know, that Trump is becoming incredibly isolated from outside information sources. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Kill the snake at the head. | ||
| And so he has this to say that I think is fascinating, because it belies that something that he's based his entire position on Trump on is a complete lie, and he knows it. | ||
| And then folks that Trump has brought in... | ||
| To the National Security Council and brought in the State Department are writing papers on this. | ||
| For the State Department, I have it in my stack, and they're getting fired. | ||
| There's nobody in the State Department. | ||
| For writing papers, quoting globalists, quoting Peter Sutherland, Al Gore, and of course George Soros in the BBC, saying we're getting rid of the West, we're getting rid of Europe, we're getting rid of free market, we're using Muslims to do it. | ||
| He is taking everything out of context. | ||
| These people are not saying that that's what they're doing. | ||
| It's in the BBC. | ||
| It's not. | ||
| But then beyond that, I want you to keep track of this. | ||
| Soros has been a globalist forever. | ||
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Yes. | |
| In Alex's mind. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| Since he was helping the Nazis. | ||
| This isn't a recent interview he did with the BBC. | ||
| Uh-uh. | ||
| And everything that Al Gore has been doing has been on record. | ||
| It's not like last week he did something real globalisty or something like that. | ||
| Like touch a glowing orb. | ||
| Right, right. | ||
| He didn't do any of those sorts of things. | ||
| So all this is stuff that's in the past that's important to remember as the rest of this clip goes on. | ||
| And that Alex is lying about what globalists say. | ||
| Admitting the plan. | ||
| And they don't want that being given out in the government. | ||
| But they've already admitted it! | ||
| And Trump's a really smart guy when it comes to basic free market policy and trying to run the country. | ||
| But folks that have talked to the president recently, when you talk to him, reportedly, those that have talked to him at length, I mean, hour-long conversations. | ||
| He's basically winking. | ||
| He doesn't know about a lot of this. | ||
| And they're isolating him more and more. | ||
| The one little pinhole he gets now is Sean Hannity that he watches most nights. | ||
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No! | |
| That's the pinhole. | ||
| And so thank God, and that's why they're trying to fire him. | ||
| So, beyond that being kind of alarming that his pinhole into the world is Sean Hannity... | ||
| Yeah, it's great that the only way he gets a window into the outside world is through Sean goddamn Hannity. | ||
| But beyond that, I think what's more important to point out is that he's talking about what this guy was writing in these reports about globalists and all this shit, which is stuff deep in the past. | ||
| And Alex is saying that people who are talking to the president are saying that he's not aware of that stuff, which flies right in the face. | ||
| No, he's not a secret patriot, then. | ||
| It flies right in the face of this clip from January 19th of this year. | ||
| I tell you, it's an incredible time to be alive. | ||
| History's happening. | ||
| Trump's for real. | ||
| He's anti-New World Order. | ||
| He was let in on the whole communist, globalist plan back in the 60s. | ||
| By the congressional experts that had access to all the classified files. | ||
| And the information I'm releasing here on air, nobody else has. | ||
| I just want everybody to know that. | ||
| But I think now is the time to even release that information so people understand exactly why Trump has been a patriot sleeper cell. | ||
| And I always said, what if we had people that went along with the system like the leftists have done, but were actually sleeper cells the other way around? | ||
| And it turns out that that's exactly what Donald Trump is. | ||
| But he doesn't know who Peter Sutherland is or what his plan dating back to. | ||
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He doesn't know any of the globalists. | |
| Oh, he's known about all of this since the 60s. | ||
| What the fuck is wrong with you? | ||
| What the fuck? | ||
| Where is the... | ||
| What are you making up? | ||
| All of it? | ||
| Yeah, it has to be all of it. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| Of fucking course. | ||
| Oh, he doesn't know about this stuff. | ||
| He needs this guy in the National Security Committee to write papers for him to keep him abreast of all these past globalist acts. | ||
| He's a sleeper sell. | ||
| He's been doing it since the 60s. | ||
| He's been hip to all this. | ||
| We've got a patriot. | ||
| He's re-sleeper selling, though. | ||
| That's what he's doing. | ||
| Ooh. | ||
| That's interesting. | ||
| Because Trump may have early-onset dementia, he is re-sleeper selling. | ||
| I think that's what's going on. | ||
| That would make him the perfect. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| Not until he's activated by the digital Dropbox. | ||
| So that, as it relates to Trump being a secret anti-globalist gentleman. | ||
| Who's at the door? | ||
| I think it's a globalist. | ||
| It's a globalist at the door? | ||
| Keep it locked. | ||
| End of this bit. | ||
| It's been too long. | ||
| I forgot how to do it. | ||
| You're busted, Alex. | ||
| You're busted, Alex. | ||
| So we go on a little bit on August 3rd, and he wants to talk more specifically about McMaster and these other generals, the Kelly and Mad Dog. | ||
| So he says this. | ||
| I don't want anybody named Mad Dog running the country. | ||
| Doesn't sound great. | ||
| That's a bad... | ||
| Look, you can be a fighter pilot. | ||
| You can be Maverick, you can be Mad Dog, you can be Iceman. | ||
| You shouldn't be running the fucking country, though. | ||
| At the same time, he seems much more competent and sensible than a lot of the other people we got in the mix. | ||
| That's true. | ||
| Still not good. | ||
| Not great. | ||
| But anyway, Alex has a different complaint about them than we do, and he makes it here. | ||
| This is a lot bigger than you guys retiring with some Saudi deal or some $5 million a year defense contract so you can go play golf and live in your big fancy house with your stupid trophy wife. | ||
| Like the president. | ||
| The globalists want to kill the country. | ||
| And are you really going to ally with a billion and a half Muslims and really sell us out to them? | ||
| Because that's what's going on. | ||
| And do you think you're ever going to get away with that? | ||
| You think Trump is your problem? | ||
| Trump's only one wave in this, one manifestation of the awakening. | ||
| You're never putting the genie back in the bottle. | ||
| You must join with us. | ||
| You must join with the republic. | ||
| You must join with prosperity. | ||
| You must join with Christianity. | ||
| You must join with common sense. | ||
| You must join with the Renaissance. | ||
| You must join with your ancestors and be honorable. | ||
| Which ones? | ||
| Confederate ones. | ||
| The old unwritten tradition in the U.S. military is to not put people in charge of things that haven't shown their brass and who also come from bad families. | ||
| In general, you had to come from good families because you've got to trust the genetic type of a person. | ||
| You guys are turning your back on your families, on your bloodline, on everything you are in this New World Order. | ||
| Believing you're in this big, multi-dimensional, complex system of joining with Islam and the grand chessboard to project power into the future and to control Islam as your magic key to control Russia and China. | ||
| And all it's going to do is bring us down. | ||
| It wants to destroy the West. | ||
| It wants to bring it down. | ||
| It wants to enslave everything. | ||
| You do not join with Islam. | ||
| You do not join with cancer. | ||
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It... | |
| Eat your guts out, and then it kills you! | ||
| Like Priebus. | ||
| Or Scaramucci. | ||
| Do you think he knows what he's saying? | ||
| He just said that there needs to be a genetic test. | ||
| Basically. | ||
| He just said that if you come from good genes. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I don't think I've ever heard anything like that before, except for the entirety of keeping black people away from any rights. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, and he always talks about how, like... | ||
| He's basically calling other people savages. | ||
| Like, that's what he's fucking doing there. | ||
| Unbelievable! | ||
| Without having to make much of a stretch. | ||
| No! | ||
| Yeah! | ||
| He's a fucking white nationalist. | ||
| That's absolutely white nationalist rhetoric. | ||
| No other explanation for that. | ||
| That's beyond a dog whistle. | ||
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Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| That's harsh. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| That's David Duke-level territory. | ||
| Now, he would hide behind saying, like, no, these are coward families or something like that. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Your family fought for the Confederacy, you dickweed. | ||
| Yeah, you fucking prick. | ||
| He just called for... | ||
| He means only white people! | ||
| That's what he means! | ||
| Explicitly! | ||
| I'm used to the dog whistle. | ||
| I can handle the dog whistle. | ||
| I mean, I can't handle that. | ||
|
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Obviously, in my history, I'm not doing good with dog whistles. | |
| But this is a step beyond. | ||
| Right. | ||
| This is unbelievable. | ||
| Yeah, whenever you get into, like, I mean, this is profoundly eugenics-y. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But beyond that, even, I want to go back to the beginning of the clip where he's saying, like, you have to come with us. | ||
| You have to join with us. | ||
| You have to join with prosperity. | ||
| You have to join with Christianity. | ||
| Yeah, I can't think of any reason why that would be important. | ||
| But, like, what kind of rhetoric is that? | ||
| Oh, it's like, oh, man. | ||
| That's theocratic rhetoric. | ||
| You know what that's a lot like? | ||
| It's a lot like... | ||
| Fucking ISIS! | ||
| 100%. | ||
| It's ISIS! | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| CNN and Alex Jones are ISIS. | ||
| That's our new button. | ||
| That's our... | ||
| We'll just piggyback. | ||
| Who cares? | ||
| Let's just start throwing... | ||
| We'll have a list and just start crossing things out as what is ISIS at any given point in time. | ||
|
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Sure. | |
| Well, I got a dry erase board. | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
|
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Done. | |
| Okay, they're not ISIS. | ||
| And at this point, ISIS isn't even as bad as ISIS now. | ||
| I'm less scared of them than I am of Alex. | ||
| Way more afraid of white nationalists. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Un-fucking-believable. | ||
| So now, if you want to take the sting off it a little bit, I want to play you the end of that clip again, and then what happens immediately after it. | ||
| And I'm going to tell you this. | ||
| It's going to get boring a little bit towards the middle of this clip, but it's worth it just to hang with it. | ||
| And I've not edited this at all. | ||
| This is exactly what happens at the end of that clip we just listened to where he screamed about good families and you have to come with God. | ||
| White nationalist. | ||
| Here's what happens immediately after. | ||
| You do not join with cancer. | ||
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It eats your guts out and then it kills you. | |
| Sales pitch. | ||
|
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Now, here's the facts. | |
| We have the globalists trying to shut us down on every front. | ||
| But despite that, you have increased your funding and support of our operations and your prayers and your spreading the links and articles on every platform you can. | ||
| Nothing can stop you. | ||
| You are our... | ||
| Social media team listeners, we need you to take action. | ||
| And we need your financial support. | ||
| You are unpaid social media team. | ||
|
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Yeah. | |
| Actually, you pay us. | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| So now beyond that, this clip's going to go on for a while. | ||
| But I kept it in its entirety because I think it's fun every now and again to take a nice look at his literal, like, how he does this. | ||
| Because John Oliver did a good job of covering a lot of the sales stuff. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But what he didn't do is actually play, like, a full commercial. | ||
| And I want to point out a couple things. | ||
| This is the beginning of August. | ||
| So that means that the June sales just ended. | ||
| Or the July sales just ended. | ||
| Are you sure the Easter sales didn't just end? | ||
| The Easter sales have been in effect for a while. | ||
| They might as well have. | ||
| We're into our Halloween sales. | ||
| I want to be clear. | ||
| This is a point that I want to make. | ||
| Everything is always on sale. | ||
| And you'll see it demonstrated in this clip exactly. | ||
| We've ended the big free shipping specials. | ||
| A lot of those products we're about to sell out. | ||
| So we've ended those specials as I said we would today. | ||
| But we're launching in the month of August the 1776 Defend America specials. | ||
| With free shipping. | ||
| Normally $35 is 55% off, 1776. | ||
| The Great Nootropic, very popular. | ||
| Survival Shield X2, the good, clean, high-quality, deep-earth source iodine. | ||
| It is 55% off. | ||
| That's 1776. | ||
| Secret 12, the amazing methylcobalamin organic B12, not the synthetic garbage, under the tongue, highest quality. | ||
| Secret 12, 55% off. | ||
| Oil of oregano, incredible high quality, from the Mediterranean, organic, 1776, 40% off. | ||
| Wait, so does everything normally cost $35.52? | ||
| Something like that. | ||
| But look, here's the point I want to make. | ||
| First of all... | ||
| These are not that different than the sales they had before. | ||
| These are pretty much the same sales, except he's made all the prices $17.76. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Another point I want to make is, if you want to turn yourself into the patriotic branded dollar store, I like that. | ||
|
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I like the idea of it being like, everything's $17.76. | |
| I kind of enjoy that on the sell level. | ||
| It's the $17.76 Dollar Tree. | ||
| You've been there. | ||
| It's the Dollar Tree of Liberty. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| The tree of patriot blood. | ||
| I think this really should highlight a sense of desperation. | ||
| Because I don't know what kind of markup they actually do, but it can't be much more than 200% or so. | ||
| I would disagree. | ||
| You think it's much higher than that? | ||
| I bet they're regular... | ||
| Well, anytime you're talking about a business, you're... | ||
| MSRP is usually 3.5 times. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| And then your discount is a lie. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So you make 200%. | ||
| Like, it's two times. | ||
| So $17.76 theoretically would still be a 200% of what he's paying. | ||
| Roughly. | ||
| So he's still making like 100% profit. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| I have nothing to back this up. | ||
| I can't actually speak to this. | ||
| If he ever actually sells anything by... | ||
| To anybody at retail? | ||
| Insane. | ||
| Crazy. | ||
| Unbelievable. | ||
| You're an idiot. | ||
| What I'm more getting at is the idea that his shit is consistently on these big sales. | ||
| Everything is pretty much consistently 50% off, 60% off. | ||
| 55% off to get to 1776. | ||
| 1776. | ||
| 1776. | ||
| The sales pitch isn't done. | ||
| And do remember that free shipping ended at the end of July. | ||
| You gotta keep that in mind. | ||
| BioTrue Selenium, 29% off. | ||
| $17.76. | ||
| Introducing Super Blue Mouthwash. | ||
| Designed by my dad, one of the top formulators in the country. | ||
| Big, huge, concentrated bottle with colloidal silver and more. | ||
| It's 11% off at $17.76. | ||
| Out of the gates. | ||
| That's now available. | ||
| The John Oliver Challenge. | ||
| Chocolate or strawberry caveman. | ||
| With the true whey protein. | ||
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30% off right now. | |
| 50% off of all silver products, colloidal silver, the electric toothbrush with silver in it, the toothpaste, super blue, all of it, 50% off. | ||
| Infowarsstore.com or 888-253-3139. | ||
| 888-253-3139. | ||
| And we have ended. | ||
| The specials that we had, these are the new specials, the 1776 specials. | ||
| Hell yeah. | ||
| And I see on there it says free shipping. | ||
| So here's the problem. | ||
| I have these ad meetings and then half the time I get them wrong. | ||
| And that's okay because we have a few crew here. | ||
| That's okay because that's your gain. | ||
| It says free shipping. | ||
| I guess they continued free shipping and I didn't know about it. | ||
| We'll see how long that goes. | ||
| I've got to end that. | ||
| So I'm going to say as part of the 1776 special that runs for the month, the free shipping only is going to go for... | ||
| I wonder if it'll continue beyond that. | ||
| We'll keep you posted. | ||
| The marketing team had to have high-fived for like a week straight the moment one of those assholes was like, oh, maybe we charge $17.76 for everything? | ||
| You're imagining there's a marketing team. | ||
| That's a good point. | ||
| That's a good point. | ||
| Rob Do... | ||
| And fucking Alex Jones snorting super male vitality crystals and just spitballing ideas. | ||
| I bet Buckley threw a little bit in there. | ||
| Oh, Buckley's got the good stuff, man. | ||
| Buckley threw some darts at the wall. | ||
| Buckley, you holding? | ||
| Pulls out a little sack. | ||
| Pulls out a little baggie of Superman. | ||
| Gotta hoof it. | ||
| It's even better when you hoof it. | ||
| I got a few vials. | ||
| It's supposed to be sublingual, but I like to snort it like poppers. | ||
| Put it under your tongue or inject it in between your toes. | ||
| Now, Jordan. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| We have to move on to August 4th. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Like I said, those were the two narratives, and they're all kind of bullshit. | ||
| There's no real need to dive too deep into it, because... | ||
| From my perspective, I think General Kelly is largely just trying to do damage control. | ||
| For now. | ||
| Eventually he'll switch from damage control to doing damage. | ||
| Yeah, conceivably. | ||
| But at the same time, whatever Alex's narrative is, is nonsense. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| And then the stuff with the Seth Rich shit is just a real desperate attempt to try and cover up and really reinforce this idea that it wasn't Russia. | ||
| That's all that game is. | ||
| And they're doing it... | ||
| Very disgracefully. | ||
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Which, it's not Russia. | |
| Like, everybody knows that it was, like, the family, the private investigator, all were like, this is unrelated. | ||
| This is just a murder. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| I meant the Russia, the hacking stuff. | ||
| Oh, the hacking stuff. | ||
| I thought he was talking about... | ||
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No. | |
| Okay. | ||
| Alex needs Seth Rich to be the leaker because if not, it exposes that the... | ||
| The Russians most likely did it. | ||
| His complaints about it not being the Russians fall apart and the leader in the clubhouse, as far as explanations go... | ||
| Is what everyone else is saying and that it is Russian intelligence. | ||
| Beyond that, the fact that Julian Assange has been playing into the idea that it was Seth Rich who was his source. | ||
| Assange has gone full Russian propagandist. | ||
| And the fact, if this is to fall, like I said on our last episode, then Julian Assange is incredibly vulnerable. | ||
| He's very exposed. | ||
| Well, he should be in jail anyway. | ||
| Yeah, absolutely. | ||
| But I mean, he's exposed in terms of the geopolitical game he's playing. | ||
| It's very clear he's on the side of Russia. | ||
| Oh, undeniable. | ||
| And as a corollary, Trump. | ||
| The true hero is Chelsea Manning, and Julian Assange can go fuck himself. | ||
| And he'd be nothing without her and Snowden. | ||
| But be that as it may. | ||
| Snowden didn't go through. | ||
| No, no, but I mean, it's sort of... | ||
| Oh, the triangle of leakers. | ||
| That kind of thing? | ||
| No, I mean, the greater sphere of the import of leakers and stuff like that. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| What Snowden did in the ensuing conversation led to a lot of pro-Julian Assange sentiment. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Not necessarily that they had anything to do with each other, but just that he benefited from Snowden's actions. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| And he's a monster. | ||
| But not Snowden. | ||
| Assange. | ||
| Snowden, not a monster. | ||
| Snowden hero. | ||
| Chelsea Manning hero. | ||
| Assange can go right straight to hell. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So, on our last episode, Jordan, last week, you may remember that I made some claims or some assertions or some speculations about Alex Jones having a pro-Russia stance that might be more important to him. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| And though I met with, I, you know, responded with a lot of skepticism, your arguments are hard to argue against. | ||
| Well, I'm the sort of guy who gets really nervous and anxious whenever I make a claim that might sound stupid. | ||
| And so for the better part of the day... | ||
| I was feeling like shit. | ||
| After we recorded, I took a little bit of an edible. | ||
| That didn't help. | ||
| Nope. | ||
| That just made you more anxious. | ||
| Really second guess everything. | ||
| I was like, am I a fucking dum-dum? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Am I an idiot? | ||
| And thankfully, listening to Friday's show, I came upon something that made me think. | ||
| That maybe I was more right than I know. | ||
| Than even you had suspected. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Alright. | ||
| And that is what we're going to be discussing for the rest of the episode. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Let's dive into this. | ||
| The first hour of the show is boring as shit. | ||
| It doesn't deserve to be discussed at all. | ||
| I don't even think I took any notes on it. | ||
| I was just like... | ||
| He's just yelling about stuff. | ||
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Right. | |
| I think it's, as I recall, it's more just McMaster is trying to isolate Trump. | ||
| They're gonna kill him. | ||
| I think there's some of that. | ||
| Gotta do that. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| If you're a globalist, you gotta get him dead. | ||
| They're isolating him in order to prepare the public for an assassination. | ||
| That makes sense. | ||
| And then he's also like, well, it could be that they're insulating him to protect him from an assassination, but they're globalists, so they're probably not. | ||
| Well, at least he's second-guessing himself, too. | ||
| That's a positive step forward. | ||
| Bro, he wouldn't if he had actual sources. | ||
| Well, I'm sure Donald Trump Jr. kind of gave him a little text message going like, McMaster won't let me see my dad! | ||
| Which is a very smart move, if true. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| McMaster is a genius. | ||
| Not troubling, if true. | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| Well, I mean, unfortunate for us, because if Donald Trump Jr. saw his dad, we would get more wackadoo bullshit from every angle. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| General Kelly's trying to dad block me. | ||
| So, the second hour starts up. | ||
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I'm just not dad. | |
| The second hour of August 4th starts up, and this is what I hear. | ||
| And I... | ||
| Perked up. | ||
| Ears raised, hackles up. | ||
| Heart rate starts flooding a little bit, and I start to realize we've got an issue. | ||
| Oh, boy. | ||
| Alexander Dugan, advisor to Vladimir Putin, is coming up. | ||
| Oh, no, no, not good. | ||
| Nope, not good. | ||
| Not good. | ||
| Wait, we're doing... | ||
| Dugan's coming on to InfoWars. | ||
| Dugan has the balls to go on InfoWars. | ||
| He does. | ||
| Amidst the chances are Russian collusion situation. | ||
| And Alex has the balls to have him on. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| That's fucked up. | ||
| I want to say that Alexander Dugan is an associate of Putin's. | ||
| He is an advisor of his. | ||
| We'll get into... | ||
| The last time we talked about him, we didn't really get into a lot of the details of why it's really problematic that he is on Infowars, period. | ||
| Or that Alex Jones is platforming him and allowing him to speak his bullshit over American airwaves. | ||
| And granted, Alex Jones doesn't have the fear of sponsors or anything like that. | ||
| So he can do whatever he wants, and good on you, it's free speech. | ||
| I'm not saying he shouldn't be allowed to do this, but him choosing to is very, very seriously a problem. | ||
| So the last time he was on... | ||
| Well, Dugan got here because of the free shipping. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| The last time Dugan was on, I swept it under the rug. | ||
| Because there was that whole, after Trump got elected, Dugan came out and said that... | ||
| Alex Jones is the greatest example of an American. | ||
| He is a great human. | ||
| Because of him, we don't hate America anymore. | ||
| All this bullshit. | ||
| All this blowing smoke up his ass. | ||
| But he said he wasn't, so Alex believed him. | ||
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Right. | |
| And so the idea that Alex had him on his show made sense. | ||
| That is just sort of like, you sucked my dick, come on my show. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| I'll give you a platform. | ||
| The idea that he's coming on again is what... | ||
| Led me to think. | ||
| Especially fucking now. | ||
| Wouldn't you want to stay as far away from that as possible if you're Alex Jones? | ||
| If your argument is there's no possibility of Russian collusion, there's no situation there at all, why would you have one of Putin's advisors come on your show? | ||
| It's incredibly weird. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Because just the fact that he's there suggests that you're involved with the Russians. | ||
| Totally. | ||
| Yeah! | ||
| Big time. | ||
| There's no other... | ||
| Like, what? | ||
| Did he get an email? | ||
| Like, hey, somebody's got to set the record straight. | ||
| I am just going to say it is not true, and then we'll leave it there. | ||
| Look, it's baffling to me, and over the course of the rest of this episode, I hope to lay out how much of a problem this is. | ||
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Oh, boy. | |
| And in order to do so, I don't know if I should just get into Dugan up top, or if we should let him talk and then get into it. | ||
| What do you think? | ||
| What do you think the best structure is? | ||
| I think we gotta let him. | ||
| We gotta let him say his piece. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| We gotta let him say his piece, man. | ||
| Alright, so here's the first clip, and Alex wants to talk about why do the globalists hate Russia. | ||
| Geopolitical.ru. | ||
| You've got the floor, my friend. | ||
| Let's go through who the globalists are, what their aims are. | ||
| Why they hate the United States and Russia so much, and is there any way to stop them before they trigger World War III? | ||
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Hi, Alex. | |
| I'm really happy to be broadcasted in the United States because I think that... | ||
| That is not his real accent. | ||
| It is. | ||
| That's his Russian accent. | ||
| Nah, that's bullshit. | ||
| So, I want to say one thing. | ||
| The reason that he's really excited to be broadcast in the United States over Alex Jones' show is because on the 11th of March in 2015, the United States Department of the Treasury added Dugan, as well as his organization, which is called the Eurasian Youth Union, to its list of Russian citizens who were sanctioned as a result of their involvement in the Ukrainian crisis. | ||
| Wait. | ||
| We'll get into more details about exactly what his involvement was a little bit later. | ||
| Wait, is he still? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So he's still under that sanction? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| So they just broke the law? | ||
| No, because he's not paying him to be there. | ||
| It's the Department of the Treasury. | ||
| I don't think you can say... | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| I don't think there's a law that says you can't have him over Skype. | ||
| Right, that's true. | ||
| It's not illegal, but it is a sort of thing where... | ||
| It's not great. | ||
| ...no other media organization is going to... | ||
| Would ever touch it. | ||
| Well, I'm not entirely sure, but they certainly wouldn't allow him whole cloth just to say whatever he wants. | ||
|
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Right. | |
| There would be an interview... | ||
| Because I know that he's done some interviews with the BBC and stuff like that. | ||
| They're not on the Department of Treasuries. | ||
| They're not in the United States. | ||
| That's definitely true. | ||
| But beyond that, they also push back against his ideas. | ||
| I was watching one interview where he was talking about how Russia has its own unique truth. | ||
| That's not good. | ||
| Because every truth is really relative and subjective. | ||
| It's not! | ||
| There is... | ||
| So he's like, there's no capital T truth, so Russia has its own truth. | ||
| And then they started to get into, like, war seems inevitable between Russia and the United States. | ||
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Great. | |
| And the interviewer's like, well, it does seem that way from watching Russian media, but I was just in the United States, and I don't think it seems that way. | ||
| And Dugan's like, well, to us, to me, it seems that way. | ||
| It's like, well, that might be projection. | ||
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Calm it down. | |
| Yeah, calm it down, dude. | ||
| You might be worried about your position in this whole thing, because you've done some fucked up stuff. | ||
| Or you might want a war. | ||
| Because that would... | ||
| We're going to get into that, too! | ||
| There we go. | ||
| Great. | ||
| Jesus Christ. | ||
| Spoiler alert! | ||
| Part of his big philosophy is the destruction of the world. | ||
| But we'll get into that in a little bit. | ||
| That's very similar to Bannon's philosophy. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| It's exactly the same thing as Bannon's philosophy. | ||
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Uh-huh. | |
| In fact, it is 100% the same thing. | ||
| Jesus Christ! | ||
| There's a shocking amount of overlap. | ||
| Jesus Christ! | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So let's let him get into it after his kissing ass of Alex for ignoring sanctions and having him on the broadcast. | ||
| Here we go. | ||
| Your station and your channel and your heroic struggle is a unique, unique possibility, unique momentum to say the truth that nobody wants to hear. | ||
| And first of all, I think that globalists need enemy, but not the right enemy, because the right enemy of globalists are they themselves. | ||
| Because they are going to destroy humanity to exchange the humankind by artificial intelligence, by kind of cyborgs. | ||
| And they try to destroy all kind of links of the humanity with its essence. | ||
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And that is, in the essence, that is the very, very negative, absolutely negative satanic plan. | |
| And they need, in order to keep attention elsewhere, they need some enemy. | ||
| And they have designated Russia as enemy number one. | ||
| That is word for... | ||
| Dugan did his research. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Dugan absolutely did his research. | ||
| He's a really smart guy. | ||
| He went with robot chimeras. | ||
| He even went with satanic. | ||
| He's going, they're... | ||
| Dealing with the wrong enemy. | ||
| They're using Russia, who have kicked out the globalists, as a fucking fall guy. | ||
| Now, I will say that some of that does match up with his beliefs, but some of it is also gilding on to add to impress Alex. | ||
| And you know what? | ||
| He doesn't talk about any of the other much more problematic aspects of his beliefs because he is tricking Alex. | ||
| He is incredibly smart. | ||
| Alexander Dugan is a philosopher and a social scientist, and Alex is being played like a fucking cheap violin. | ||
| This is so easy. | ||
| It's insane. | ||
| It's like he had a team of writers, and he's reading off of a script. | ||
| Like, this is pathetic. | ||
| And Alex falls for this. | ||
| Is Alex falling for it, or is Alex just... | ||
| Well, no, of course. | ||
| Anytime Alex gets flattered, he is willing to listen to anything. | ||
| I'm hard-pressed to say that Alex is falling for it as much as he is on board 100%. | ||
| And let's hear this next clip where Alex talks about how great Vladimir Putin is. | ||
| The globalists are absolutely, insanely hateful of Russia, and I've done an analysis of Putin. | ||
| He's been reforming. | ||
| He's been cutting back the corruption. | ||
| He's been arresting the oligarchs. | ||
| He's been empowering programs for the family. | ||
| He's been promoting Christianity. | ||
| He's been promoting sovereignty. | ||
| And he's been exposing through national shows, not against technology, but how technology is being used to enslave people by the technocrats, and has been opposing the wicked plan of Davos that is anti-American, anti-Russian, anti-human. | ||
| And quite frankly, now we see more of this from Trump, but this isn't something he got from Putin or he got from me. | ||
| This is the truth of what we face. | ||
| I wanted to stop it there because he's about to say something that's really horrible about women. | ||
| And I wanted to give us a chance to sort of decompress on that part of the clip before we get to the part that's just ugly. | ||
| His analysis of Putin is... | ||
| Magical. | ||
| It's magical, nonsensical thinking. | ||
| It sounds very similar to his 2015 analysis of Putin. | ||
| It also sounds very similar to Russian TV's analysis of Putin. | ||
| Sounds exactly like propaganda outlets. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| No, he's bringing back the family. | ||
| Glorious leader. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| And you know, the way he's bringing back the family is that he's weakening laws about domestic violence. | ||
| Hey, a little bit of tyranny is a good thing. | ||
| Right. | ||
| In Alex's world, a little bit of tyranny gets shit done. | ||
| Yeah, absolutely. | ||
| You know, it never leads to a lot of tyranny. | ||
| Especially with dictators. | ||
| You know how they're always... | ||
| Proceed with restraint. | ||
| Totally. | ||
| You know how they're always like... | ||
| It's one of the hallmarks. | ||
| Listen, let's not go too far. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| What we're going to do, we're going to get in, we're going to get out, we're going to save the world. | ||
| I think the UN has that checklist of, are you living in a dictatorship? | ||
| And the first thing is, are they reasonable? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Are they restrained in their actions? | ||
| Well, that's a dictator right there. | ||
| At least that's how Alex would look at it based on his treatment of Obama, for sure. | ||
| Yeah, that's true. | ||
| So, yeah, that is just lionizing Putin. | ||
| And he's saying that he's done a ton of research that has led him to this conclusion. | ||
| That's nonsense. | ||
| That's absolute nonsense. | ||
| He's getting on his show and being a Russian propagandist. | ||
| Yeah, that's true. | ||
| He's putting on the hat so he can hang out with Alexander Dugan. | ||
| They are fun hats to wear, though. | ||
| It is. | ||
| Have you worn a Russian hat? | ||
| Yeah, it's very, very comfortable. | ||
| Pretty good. | ||
| Nice little babushka? | ||
| Sure, it's great. | ||
| It has those ear flaps. | ||
| Perfect for a cold Austin evening. | ||
| In August. | ||
| It's not a good hat to wear. | ||
| During a drought. | ||
| So here we go. | ||
| Here's where he's going to get to some nice misogyny. | ||
| Talk about Vladimir Putin himself and why the globalists hate him. | ||
| They're also obsessed with him. | ||
| It's leaked that, I mean, Hillary's obsessed with him, basically in love with him. | ||
| In the WikiLeaks, he was just beside herself. | ||
| Megyn Kelly behind the scenes began shuddering with sexual pleasure, basically. | ||
| I'm serious. | ||
| When she talked about Putin, I mean, why are they so obsessed with Putin? | ||
| What the fuck? | ||
| Megyn Kelly. | ||
| Let's be clear. | ||
| Alexander Dugan, for all of his problems and being an awful person and an out-and-out Russian hack, probably doesn't think that Megyn Kelly wants to fuck Putin. | ||
| He is still a substantial individual. | ||
| And the idea that Alex is like, hey, why does Megyn Kelly get wet when she sees Pooh? | ||
| Like, that's disgraceful. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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Even for an interview with this guy. | |
| I'm like, I'm not comfortable with that. | ||
| Listen, you're talking to one of the true monsters in this world. | ||
| But hey, come on. | ||
| Dial it back. | ||
| At least give him the respect that a true monster deserves. | ||
| He's created philosophies that have created a lot of damage in the world. | ||
| He's written multiple books. | ||
| Don't fucking come at that. | ||
| Don't do that. | ||
| At least have a... | ||
| It's clear that Alex has not read his books. | ||
| Done no research. | ||
| It's clear he doesn't know what he stands for. | ||
| Because if he did, he would know that Alexander Dugan is very big into the destruction of the United States. | ||
| And not a good guy to have on your... | ||
| Patriot-based. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| One of the most explicit things he's argued for in the course of his career has been the destruction of the United States. | ||
| Or at least the destruction of our hegemony. | ||
| Well, yes. | ||
| And what he refers to as liberalism, which really is just... | ||
| Freedom! | ||
| Individuality. | ||
| People not being murdered. | ||
| He's deeply against the idea of what individuality brings. | ||
| Because individuality takes you outside of the collective. | ||
| It takes you outside of normality. | ||
| And it makes you accept things like homosexuality or transgender folk. | ||
| He's right up in that culture war shit. | ||
| That a lot of the conservatives are now. | ||
| And it's deeply troubling to see the overlaps. | ||
| Nobody is more ideologically aligned than hateful hard-right bigots in Russia and hateful hard-right bigots here. | ||
| And hateful hard-right bigots in ISIS. | ||
| And hateful hard-right bigots in France. | ||
| And hateful hard-right bigots in fucking Britain. | ||
| Like, all of these people don't realize that they're on the same side. | ||
| Like, the only thing that's protecting us is all of these idiots thinking that they're fighting against each other. | ||
| Because if they actually united, which, like Brexit, like Cambridge Analytica, like all of those things, they really did push all of these people together on the national stage. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And that is a very bad thing. | ||
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Mm-hmm. | |
| Like, it's like the fucking... | ||
| It's like the old Batman and Superman cartoons, the Justice League cartoons. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| They have a little thing that comes up out of a swamp. | ||
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Mm-hmm. | |
| Like, these people are insane. | ||
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Mm-hmm. | |
| So, I agree, but also, if you'll recall, that last clip ended with a question. | ||
| Why does Megyn Kelly get so hard? | ||
| Yeah, and I'll give Dugan a bit of credit. | ||
| What's his response? | ||
| He does not engage with that part of the question. | ||
| Good, good, good. | ||
| But here's his answer, and it gets spiritual. | ||
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So, I think that Putin, he plays the role of supporter. | |
| We, in Russian-Christian orthodoxy, have idea of Greek concept of supporter, in Greek, some figure, symbolical figure. | ||
| You're talking about an icon that's a defender. | ||
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Yes, defender, defender, exactly. | |
| In Greek, that means exactly supporter, but defender, that is the right word. | ||
| You fucking idiot. | ||
| And this defender is the last obstacle of coming of Antichrist that doesn't let Antichrist regime to be installed on the planetary level. | ||
| And Putin is obstacle for globalization, for fulfillment of the wicked. | ||
| And by the way, I agree with you, and they say their technocracy, their one-world government, that Putin's in the way. | ||
| Now Trump pops up, and the only truth to American-Russian collusion is I sense the same spirit of humanity not wanting to be enslaved, and it's really the spirit of Christ. | ||
| All over the world is rising up against this anti-Christ spirit. | ||
| Does Alex... | ||
| Does Alex not realize that he just agreed that Putin is the last defense against the Antichrist? | ||
| Yep. | ||
| I think he does know that. | ||
| He just agreed. | ||
| I think he does know that, because that's what he's been saying for years. | ||
| But he's the only defense against the fucking Antichrist? | ||
| In 2015, he was saying, essentially, that Vladimir Putin was the only person who was standing against the New World Order, against the globalists. | ||
| On the world stage, before he supported Donald Trump at all. | ||
| Yeah, but this is the thing. | ||
| He believes that the globalists are transitional to bringing in a one-world government led by the Antichrist. | ||
| Right. | ||
| So if Putin is standing against them on the global stage, of course he agrees with that premise that Putin is what's going to save us from hell on earth. | ||
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Right. | |
| And the ascent of the evil one. | ||
| I just thought that we were talking more metaphorically about globalists leading to the Antichrist. | ||
| But when he goes directly into Christian Orthodox beliefs from the Greek Orthodox beliefs that Putin is the defender against the Antichrist, I did not expect for Alex to be like, I'm going to throw out all the Christian shit I pretend to believe and say that Putin... | ||
| Fucking Putin is the only one keeping the seventh seal from being opened. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Fucking unbelievable. | ||
| We might be getting a glimpse into what Alex Jones' actual version of Christianity is. | ||
| Because words mean things to us. | ||
| Like fools. | ||
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Right. | |
| We assume when he says that he's a Christian, it means what we understand Christianity to be. | ||
| And it may not be the case. | ||
| No. | ||
| It may be that there are some similarities. | ||
| I don't think it's necessarily just even Greek Orthodox. | ||
| Because I've known some Greek Orthodox people in my day. | ||
| My dad's a religious studies professor. | ||
| I knew some... | ||
| I don't think that necessarily they believe all this wacky nonsense. | ||
| But be that as it may, you're seeing this shocking agreement between the two of them. | ||
| And some of that is that Alexander Dugan is a very gifted manipulator and he knows what sort of things to say. | ||
| To make Alex Jones be like, I'm on board. | ||
| But then at the same time, we've documented this over and over again with Leo Zagami, Lord Moncton, and now Alexander Dugan. | ||
| Anybody with an accent, Alex kind of just is like, you're a genius. | ||
| I love what you're saying. | ||
| Unfortunately, in this case, I do think Alexander Dugan is incredibly smart and therefore far more dangerous. | ||
| Very much so. | ||
| Do you want to hear a fun fact about Alexander Dugan? | ||
| Sure! | ||
| This is a new segment on our show? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Alexander Dugan believes that the entire internet should be banned. | ||
| And here's a quote. | ||
| I think that the internet as such, as a phenomenon, is worth prohibiting because it gives nobody anything good. | ||
| Beyond that, in June 2012, Dugan said in a lecture that chemistry and physics are demonic sciences and that all Orthodox Russians need to unite around the President of Russian Federation in the last battle between good and evil. | ||
| Following the example of Iran and North Korea, he added, quote, if we want to liberate ourselves from the West, it is needed that we liberate ourselves from textbooks on physics and chemistry. | ||
| Oh, well, that makes sense. | ||
| Totally. | ||
| Totally tracks. | ||
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| But even in there, if we want to liberate ourselves from the West, Alex has a boner for the West. | ||
| He's saying that we should follow in the example of Iran and North Korea. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Well, but that... | ||
| I... | ||
| I will give it to Alex that he has never, ever, ever in his life read that. | ||
| Ever. | ||
| Not even once. | ||
| It takes a Google search. | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| Which is why I can guarantee that Alex has never read it. | ||
| It takes more than one step. | ||
| He has to Google search, which means he has to remember what it is he's looking for, which is his next guest, which he cannot do. | ||
| Then he has to click on... | ||
| One of many results, which is just too many steps for him. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So I want to say that I referenced earlier that Alexander Dugan is under sanctions by the Department of the Treasury because of his activities in the Ukraine crisis. | ||
| I want to touch on that for a second. | ||
| Because I feel like we should be specific and let people know what he's been up to. | ||
| In 2005, Alexander Dugan founded an organization called the Eurasian Youth Union, which is not good. | ||
| No, I love it. | ||
| I love it when people add in, you know, Eurasian youth, like Hitler youth, like all these youth programs are really good. | ||
| It's not great. | ||
| After school programs are important. | ||
| It's not great when you have a political organization that has a youth component. | ||
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No, no, no. | |
| It's very good. | ||
| Get them young. | ||
| Children do not understand politics, and they should not be indoctrinated. | ||
| But, be that as it may, on March 31st, 2014... | ||
| I think most charter schools would disagree with you. | ||
| On March 31st, 2014, Oleg Bahirov, a member of the Eurasia Youth Union of Russia founded by Alexander Dugan, was arrested. | ||
| He had trained a group of about 200 people to seize parliament in another government building, according to the Secret Service of Ukraine. | ||
| He was basically training paramilitary groups to go cause trouble in Ukraine. | ||
| It is unclear how many of the attacks and bombings, that sort of thing. | ||
| Were a direct result of that? | ||
| It's impossible to tell. | ||
| The people who have been disrupted were this cell that had 200 people that were going to seize the Ukrainian parliament. | ||
| So it is not low-scale stuff. | ||
| That's a bad plan. | ||
| It's not great. | ||
| But, you know... | ||
| You're going to need more than 200 to get rid of the parliament. | ||
| I don't know, though. | ||
| If it's in a crisis situation, there's ongoing strife all around. | ||
| If these 200 people are well-armed... | ||
| And well-trained? | ||
| Since youth? | ||
| You could do some damage. | ||
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Wow. | |
| And so, I mean, you see... | ||
| This is not a benign figure. | ||
| No, these are shock troops. | ||
| He's training shock troops. | ||
| And I'm not saying that Alexander Dugan is sitting around personally training them, but he's created this organization, and he's responsible for that. | ||
| That's how the stormtroopers from Star Wars showed up. | ||
| Right. | ||
| I mean, aside from being clones. | ||
| Like, there was that. | ||
| Un-fucking-believable. | ||
| I thought that got retconned. | ||
| That did get retconned. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Glad. | ||
| Glad I'm on the right side of history on that one. | ||
| I guess. | ||
| So, if you thought that, like, that was just sort of a flippant aside, here is Alexander Dugan reiterating that Putin's gonna stop the Antichrist. | ||
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But this battle is not political. | |
| That has nothing to do with... | ||
| Short or superficial interests, national interests, and so on. | ||
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The battle is much deeper than that. | |
| And Putin plays here the role of defender, defender of Christian civilization, of traditional society, the defender of human nature, because globalists try now to replay this nature. | ||
| They wage war against common sense. | ||
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Yes, yes, exactly. | |
| And what is important, I have got information that Russian alligarchs, they have a kind of supported financially Hillary. | ||
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So that was completely opposite to the thing the globalists pretend. | |
| So this is also probably based on the uranium bullshit. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| The Russians supported Hillary is insane. | ||
| Beyond that, you can't really find a whole lot of concrete examples of people being specific about, well, were the Russians supporting Hillary? | ||
| I didn't pull the clip of it, but Alex, on the episode where he's talking about the Seth Rich shit, he plays an interview with Julian Assange, where Julian Assange is saying, I've studied both of these candidates, and for my end, all I can tell is that Hillary had contact with the Russians and financial dealings with them. | ||
| The Uranium One deal! | ||
| Which was not with the Russians. | ||
| That was with a Canadian-based company that had Russian ownership. | ||
| It got bought out by the Russians. | ||
| Those weren't our uranium rights. | ||
| She didn't make the decision. | ||
| It was the skiffiest organization that had nine people in it. | ||
| She had no involvement in that at all. | ||
| We've been over this a whole bunch of times. | ||
| And then Julian Assange, his only other piece of evidence is... | ||
| Podesta being on the board of Jewel Unlimited, which we've also talked about. | ||
| That is not evidence of anything. | ||
| Wow! | ||
| It's crazy. | ||
| So Julian Assange is pitching these same fucking Clinton-Russia uranium deal, Podesta-Jewel Unlimited narratives. | ||
| That means something. | ||
| That doesn't mean nothing. | ||
| And the fact that Alexander Dugan is being very nonspecific about how he heard that the oligarchs were supporting Hillary... | ||
| You gotta kind of believe it's something like that. | ||
| And it's insane to me how... | ||
| He's good. | ||
| It's not bad. | ||
| Because he's throwing in that idea of getting rid of physics and chemistry and getting rid of the internet. | ||
| He doesn't mean that. | ||
| What he means is getting rid of it for people. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And he and his cabal get to keep it. | ||
| Like, that's what he's doing. | ||
| And he can lie straight through his fucking teeth. | ||
| Hey, Dum Dum, you're on the internet now. | ||
| Exactly! | ||
| Fucking unreal! | ||
| You couldn't get your propaganda to the United States without the internet. | ||
| You couldn't fucking mail pamphlets over here effectively. | ||
| Not in this day and age. | ||
| No one reads. | ||
| We all have smartphones. | ||
| During World War II, Japan did put bombs on little umbrella-type parachutes, and they made it all the way to Oregon. | ||
| What? | ||
| This is true. | ||
| Really? | ||
| Yeah! | ||
| This is a piece of history I don't know. | ||
| There were some on-American soil deaths because of these Japanese bombs. | ||
| Hold on. | ||
| Did they launch them from the ground? | ||
| Like they just tossed them with an umbrella? | ||
| Because that's crazy. | ||
| Well, what they did, you know those paper candles, you know those that they put out to sea? | ||
| Yeah, I've seen that in like the beach. | ||
| It wasn't quite that, but it was close. | ||
| Do you want to know another fun fact about Alexander Dugan? | ||
| Sure. | ||
| In an interview that he did with the Anna News Agency, Alexander Dugan, describing the alleged atrocities that were perpetrated against the Ukrainians, called for them to be killed. | ||
| In the 18th minute of the interview, he said, referring to the Ukrainians, the following, quote, kill, kill, kill! | ||
| There should be no more talks. | ||
| As a professor, I think so. | ||
| He's not a good professor. | ||
| No, and he ended up getting fired for saying that. | ||
| Usually advocating genocide should get you fired. | ||
| Especially when you're like, I'm a professor. | ||
| This is the job you can fire me from? | ||
| One out of five professors agree. | ||
| Murder all people. | ||
| Somehow that didn't tarnish his credibility or his position in Russia itself, though. | ||
| It would only raise his profile. | ||
| It would only raise his fucking profile. | ||
| Because look at the pieces that we have in place already. | ||
| We have... | ||
| He started a youth organization based on Eurasianism, which we'll get into in a little bit, and this as an offshoot. | ||
| When the situation in Ukraine started in 2014, they were shock troops for it and went around to cause trouble. | ||
| And then, when interviewed, he advocated for the state going in and killing Ukrainians, which is a war crime. | ||
| That's a big war crime. | ||
| He advocates for war crimes. | ||
| Well, it's... | ||
| But so has Trump, so... | ||
| Yeah, well, that's... | ||
| Fuck. | ||
| We're all gonna die. | ||
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| We're all fucking dead. | ||
| Well, words don't mean anything anymore. | ||
| We're living on borrowed time. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| That's what's going on. | ||
| This is un-fucking-real. | ||
| Mm-hmm. | ||
| Holy shit. | ||
| Can you tell why I was aside myself? | ||
| Yeah, this isn't great. | ||
| I don't like how this is going. | ||
| No. | ||
| I feel like this is bad for all of humanity. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Not just America. | ||
| But be that as it may, at least Alex Jones and Alexander Dugan have now finished the portion of the show where they're going to talk about how great Putin is. | ||
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| So at least that has happened. | ||
| But I remember seeing reports five, ten years ago that you were kind of a spiritual advisor to Trump. | ||
| I mean, not to Trump, to Putin. | ||
| That he read your books and thought they were interesting. | ||
| I just want to try to get an idea from somebody that actually knows Putin but also lives in Russia about the real mindset of Putin. | ||
| Because people say, oh, he's this former KGB guy or whatever. | ||
| But we know he was there during the reforms, kicking a lot of the globalist oligarchs out, getting their sovereignty back. | ||
| The proof's in the pudding. | ||
| Separately, I read that... | ||
| He was baptized as a child. | ||
| His family was part of the large Russian movement that was crypto-Christian, that kept the faith and continued on. | ||
| And you judge a tree by its fruits. | ||
| Today, he's been a huge supporter of bringing orthodoxy back to Russia and bringing the birth rate back up and proving he wants life. | ||
| Fighting against all the abortions. | ||
| Fighting against the destruction of the family. | ||
| That's what Putin's doing, not killing babies. | ||
| Putting all dissenters in jail. | ||
| So, I mean, how true is it that you're a high-level advisor to Putin? | ||
| I know you don't want to brag about it, and specifically a spiritual advisor. | ||
| And can you give us a view into the mindset of Vladimir Putin and his worldview? | ||
| First of all, Vladimir Putin has his own worldview that is not so much ideological. | ||
| It is the kind he represents. | ||
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More or less, what Russian people think. | |
| I hope not. | ||
| But also, I lied. | ||
| They're not nearly done talking about how great Putin is. | ||
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Wow. | |
| I mean, that's crazy. | ||
| He's just doing... | ||
| Putin's pretty great. | ||
| I love it. | ||
| What we should do is put together a long clip of all the times Alex makes a mistake and then mock him the same way he tries to do Pelosi. | ||
| Oh, he was an advisor to Trump. | ||
| I mean, Putin. | ||
| Like, either he's an idiot the same way he thinks she is, which means he can shut the fuck up about that clip. | ||
| Or that's the most Freudian slip there could ever be. | ||
| I think it's more the latter. | ||
| Yeah, right? | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| Dugan, you've advised Trump. | ||
| I mean, Putin, you've done all of these great things for Trump's campaign. | ||
| I mean, Putin... | ||
| You have absolutely done all these great things for Trump's campaign, but let's not admit that. | ||
| Let's never deal with that shit. | ||
| And then even at the end, Dugan is like, Putin doesn't actually believe anything. | ||
| He just wants money. | ||
| Well, what happens after that clip ends is he goes on to talk about how Putin is... | ||
| Indicative of the soul of the Russian people, and that he doesn't have this rigid ideology as much as he is a representation of the people, and he's pragmatic, and that sort of thing. | ||
| So that's what he's trying to get at, but again, that's just... | ||
| If you want to become a dictator, he is going about it in a very practical way. | ||
| That's just Alex Jones allowing this dude to spit fucking straight up... | ||
| Putin propaganda on his show. | ||
| He's turned his show over to Russia for an hour. | ||
| There's no other way to put it. | ||
| It's fucked up. | ||
| What? | ||
| I just don't know what to say. | ||
| I don't know what to say. | ||
| Of all the things I could have imagined, uncovering that Alex is pure Russian propaganda Is not what I was expecting. | ||
| Like, if we, like, all the stuff, you know, like, I talk about, or in our opening, it's like, I don't know anything about Alex Jones. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And when we very started, all I knew about Alex was he was a lunatic who shouted. | ||
| Then, as we've gone through this the whole time, it's like, oh, he's a lunatic who shouted, who turned into a white nationalist. | ||
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| He's a bigot. | ||
| Yeah, but that's always been there. | ||
| That's always been there. | ||
| Well, yeah, exactly. | ||
| But I didn't know about it. | ||
| So I didn't know that that's what we were dealing with. | ||
| Eventually getting to, he's a Russian shill? | ||
| And then on the way learning that he has this weird religious thing going on that doesn't make sense. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And then getting to the Russian shit. | ||
| And I'll tell you this, I listened to Alex Jones a bit in my... | ||
| Younger years. | ||
| I didn't fucking realize any of this either. | ||
| So as much as I say I know everything about Alex Jones, a lot of this is still eye-opening. | ||
| Now we have to do another investigation of when did Alex become a Putin shill? | ||
| I think we already are. | ||
| You think so? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Because I think we've already got... | ||
| No, because when we started in June of 2015, he wasn't saying... | ||
| He wasn't saying pro-Putin stuff. | ||
| That crept in over the summer of 2015. | ||
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Yeah, that's true. | |
| It came in trickling a little bit. | ||
| And then where we are now in September, end of September, beginning of October 2015, he's going whole hog. | ||
| Which, if we recall, the Justice Department or the intelligence community said that... | ||
| In the summer of 2015, the Russians really ramped up their information campaign against us. | ||
| Influence campaign of media and stuff. | ||
| Holy shit. | ||
| And that funnily coincides with when Trump started his campaign. | ||
| It starts to become a picture where... | ||
| Look, we're dumbasses in Chicago. | ||
| We don't know anything. | ||
| But it starts to look a lot like there's something going on here. | ||
| I have to believe someone's investigating this. | ||
| I don't know who, but I have to believe that we aren't the only people who put two, two, and two together. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Because it doesn't seem coincidental. | ||
| And then you put that together with the pivot with Trump. | ||
| When did the Russians start supporting Trump is maybe the best question for when Alex starts supporting Trump. | ||
| Well, I think that they supported him before he even started running for president. | ||
| Oh, you think so? | ||
| Well, he is a front for their money laundering and what have you. | ||
| And there are instances that have been pointed out of... | ||
| It appears... | ||
| For example, very rich Russian people with weird connections buying some of his property for inflated prices, never moving into the house, and then selling it for less. | ||
| That sort of thing seems to happen a bit. | ||
| And it appears that they bailed him out of being in debt for... | ||
| Or a while. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Or being bankrupt. | ||
| Beyond that, there are indications going back at least to like the 90s, possibly even earlier, of him having pro-Russian, or at least pro-Russian business interests. | ||
| Yeah, we have read the... | ||
| He took out an op-ed, right? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Which was very pro-Russia. | ||
| Well, I mean, that's not the one where he was talking about how the... | ||
| The Central Park Five should be hung. | ||
| No, that was a very different one. | ||
| Different op-ed. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| So I want to read you another quote from Alexander Dugan in between these clips. | ||
| Here's a quote from 2007. | ||
| There are no more opponents of Putin's course, and if they are, they're mentally ill and need to be sent off for clinical examination. | ||
| Putin is everywhere. | ||
| Putin is everything. | ||
| Putin is absolute and Putin is indispensable. | ||
| Boy, I do not like that language. | ||
| I don't at all. | ||
| That's really bad. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Like, there's never been a situation in the entirety of history where that was a good thing to say about anybody. | ||
| No. | ||
| That is what you say right before genocide happens. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Like, that's word for word what you say before genocide happens. | ||
| Yeah, here's another quote. | ||
| Every fucking time. | ||
| Here's another quote from him. | ||
| All is dead with modernity. | ||
| So it should end. | ||
| We are going to end it. | ||
| Oh, well, that's fine. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| That's Unabomber-ish. | ||
| He hates the idea that the world is becoming modern. | ||
| I mean, the Unabomber had some good points. | ||
| Everybody knows this. | ||
| If you are the boring guy at a party, you know this. | ||
| So, Jordan, I told you that... | ||
| Where that clip was going to go was that Dugan was going to explain that Putin is pragmatic and what have you. | ||
| And as it turns out, I do have the rest of that. | ||
| Well, I mean, if he's the only single person in the planet who knows what's going on and if you disagree with him, you should be killed. | ||
| Or you should at least be taken in for examination. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Because your head ain't right. | ||
| Pragmatic is the only way to describe him because it's the only way you're allowed to describe him. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| So that's where this clip starts, and then it ends with Alex Jones and him coming to a conclusion that should be troubling to everybody. | ||
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He doesn't feel himself a kind of cosmopolitan. | |
| He represents our culture, our people, and he... | ||
| He doesn't stop these feelings, these emotions in our country. | ||
| He is not ideological nationalist. | ||
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He is rather realist and pragmatic in his politics. | |
| He is very pragmatical, very rational, I would say, rational man, but he is Russian, and that defines his inner and deep. | ||
| And that is exactly the same way Trump is. | ||
| So it's a return to common sense, a return to cultural nationalist with a Christian base. | ||
| Whites! | ||
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Yes. | |
| Yes. | ||
| So yeah, I mean, that's fun because at the end there we get them making it abundantly clear that they are comparing the two men as being very similar. | ||
|
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Yep. | |
| And whenever they... | ||
| I do like his reveal. | ||
| He is rational. | ||
| But he's Russian. | ||
| So let's calm it down there, guys. | ||
| But I think what he's trying to say, I know that's fun. | ||
| Don't get me wrong. | ||
| I'm not trying to shit on your joke there. | ||
| But what he's trying to say is he's rational, but at the same time, his priority is the fact that he's Russian. | ||
| And for Trump, the priority is that he's American. | ||
| We need to get back to nationalism. | ||
| You know how nationalism always works? | ||
| Yeah, it works great. | ||
| Jesus Christ! | ||
| Works great. | ||
| They're trying to kill us! | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Well, no. | ||
| They're trying to kill a lot of people. | ||
| Not necessarily you or I. Right. | ||
| Not yet. | ||
| Not yet. | ||
| Well, we'll probably be, you know, collateral damage. | ||
| Dude, I want to get killed by the Russians so bad. | ||
| How awesome would that be? | ||
| You may have your chance. | ||
| I want to be perfectly clear. | ||
| I'll spell it out a little bit down the line as this episode goes on. | ||
| But Alexander Dugan is angling for a war between the United States and Russia. | ||
| Seems like it. | ||
| I don't know why Alex Jones would have him on his show, because that is part of his worldview. | ||
| I don't know how else to put it. | ||
| Like, Alex Jones, the supreme American patriot, he comes from Americana royalty bloodlines. | ||
| Well, in his version, it's Americana royalty. | ||
| He's having a guy on the show whose expressed opinion is, Destruction of the United States. | ||
| Destruction of the West. | ||
| You're saying United States. | ||
| This is how Alex can get through it. | ||
| No, no, he can't. | ||
| He wants Texas. | ||
| Alex just wants Texas. | ||
| You know what? | ||
| Go to war with everybody. | ||
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Fuck that. | |
| Alex can't even play that game because Alexander Dugan has very specifically said that the enemy is the West. | ||
| Ooh, that's true. | ||
| So Alex Jones can't even use his branding or semantic games with that. | ||
| He said that the West... | ||
| And liberalism, which doesn't mean liberals in this case. | ||
| Okay, I'll just give you an umbrella version of Alexander Dugan's big book. | ||
| His biggest book is called The Fourth Political Ideology. | ||
| It's actually Harry Potter and the Fourth Political Ideology. | ||
| I apologize. | ||
| It's Harry Potter and the Fourth Political Theory. | ||
| And the argument that he lays out in that book is that there is liberalism, communism, and fascism that have been the warring ideologies of... | ||
| The world. | ||
| And liberalism is one. | ||
| That's a very reductive way of putting it, but fine. | ||
| But over the course of recent history, you have those three that are coming up against each other. | ||
| And liberalism destroyed fascism in World War II. | ||
| Woo! | ||
| And liberalism destroyed communism with the breaking up of the Soviet Union. | ||
| Double down! | ||
| And then since then, liberalism has become bored, I guess, and is fighting with itself. | ||
| And that's why you end up with these positions where, like, oh, political correct... | ||
| Well, historically, you could make the argument because within his terms of liberalism, generally it's eaten away by fascism within. | ||
| So that is a fairly good assessment. | ||
| For a reductive assessment, it's not terrible. | ||
| Right, so he proposes a fourth. | ||
| I bet it's good for all of us. | ||
| Right. | ||
| He takes elements of traditionalism. | ||
| He takes elements of some elements, I believe, of liberalism. | ||
| Look, I haven't read the book in its entirety. | ||
| I don't know how to break it all down. | ||
| But from all the reviews I could get of it, I've read a number of reviews, and most of it seems like there is just a lot of proto-fascism within his worldview. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And he denies being a fascist, and in the sense... | ||
| Generally fascists tend to. | ||
| They're thrilled to do that. | ||
| Yeah, they love it. | ||
| It's one of the biggest parts of being a fascist. | ||
| Yeah, it's the I'm not a racist butt of ideologies. | ||
| Yeah, I can't be a fascist. | ||
| I wrote a book about how fascism is one of the problems. | ||
| I said it was bad. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Alex Jones, he says that fascism is bad. | ||
| I've read... | ||
| So you know that even though he says a little bit of tyranny is good. | ||
| Fascism is bad. | ||
| I've read three reviews of his worldview that all express he's against fascism but is a fascist. | ||
| Some of you described him as an occult fascist. | ||
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Ooh! | |
| A Rasputin-type figure. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| There we go. | ||
| Which goes back into that idea that Putin is going to stand against the Antichrist. | ||
| Figured it out. | ||
| Can Rasputin be killed? | ||
| No. | ||
| Too big of a dick. | ||
| Too big of a dick. | ||
| Guess what happens? | ||
| Alex loves big dicks. | ||
| Goes away for a while. | ||
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Alex loves big dicks. | |
| Goes away. | ||
| Rasputin disappears for a while. | ||
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Hold on. | |
| Alex Jones loving big dicks is an important piece of this. | ||
| Fine. | ||
| That's actually why he loves the BBC interview. | ||
| Because, okay. | ||
| You see, there's a double meaning. | ||
| Anyways. | ||
| Rasputin hides out in the castle. | ||
| Rasputin is Dugan. | ||
| It's possible. | ||
| He's got a beard. | ||
| Problem solved. | ||
| He is actually called Putin's Rasputin. | ||
| Just because. | ||
| I want to open a restaurant named Putin's Respute. | ||
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laughter He's called that because of his sort of mystic elements that he has within his worldview and then the fact that he has a beard. | |
| Well, I mean, you start talking about who's the only defender against the Antichrist. | ||
| You're going to get some occult bullshit going on. | ||
| Yeah, and there's even more within his... | ||
| His larger philosophy, which we'll get to in a moment. | ||
| But here, let's get to another clip. | ||
| Well, what you gotta do is get the spear of destiny before you can defeat the Antichrist. | ||
| Everybody knows this. | ||
| Yeah, come on. | ||
| That's gauche. | ||
| What are you, crazy? | ||
| It's gauche for you to even bring that up. | ||
| Look up the movie Constantine starring our greatest living actor, Keanu Reeves. | ||
| I'll be honest. | ||
| I like that movie. | ||
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I love it. | |
| I saw it in theaters. | ||
| I haven't since. | ||
| You know, I haven't seen it. | ||
| Since 2005? | ||
| But I liked it then. | ||
| I might have been high as shit. | ||
| It's not as terrible as you might imagine. | ||
| You know what it is, though? | ||
| This next clip. | ||
| Putin could be considered to be Russian Trump, as well as Trump could be considered American Putin. | ||
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Not because they are accused of authoritarian rule or something like that. | |
| They're individually very different, but they reflect what our people want. | ||
| They're not out to get their country. | ||
| They have a sense of roots to the nation, to the culture. | ||
| They're not soulless globalists who notice, never have children. | ||
| Are totally about destroying anything independent, anything family, because they're satanic. | ||
| Trump and Putin, you're saying, are not satanic. | ||
| Wow. | ||
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Absolutely. | |
| So now, Jordan, I know you had a strong reaction to that. | ||
| Trump is American Putin. | ||
| And Putin is Russian Trump. | ||
| That is not a good thing to have on your theoretically patriot-based Alex Jones show. | ||
| No. | ||
| This is pure... | ||
| Why is he doing this now? | ||
| That's insane that he's doing it now! | ||
| Because he doesn't think it's weird. | ||
| He thinks that the globalists did all this shit in Ukraine, not realizing that the guy he has on his show legitimately was training a paramilitary organization that went into and attacked Ukraine. | ||
| He doesn't realize that it's very clear that Russia did that. | ||
| He thinks that it's the globalists, so all of his sort of... | ||
| All of his premonitions, all of his ideas are like, all this Russia stuff is bullshit because he believes the stories that come to him from official Russian state media. | ||
| That's a very different thing. | ||
| That's a bigger leap, though. | ||
| I'm sure that the GOP, who are all on that, you know, there's no Russian collusion tip. | ||
| They're different. | ||
| They're different, right? | ||
| They're in trouble. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Alex is dumb. | ||
| But if you are dealing with them, Even those guys can't possibly be okay with you saying Trump is an American Putin. | ||
| That can't be a thing that's okay, even for them. | ||
| Alex hates the Republican establishment as much as he hates the Democrats. | ||
| He doesn't give a shit. | ||
| They can disapprove of him, too. | ||
| Right, but even his listeners... | ||
| If that's what you're saying. | ||
| Even his listeners can't... | ||
| No, because he's radicalized his audience. | ||
| A lot of those people are still... | ||
| No. | ||
| Bullshit. | ||
| The line that the Russian story is nothing is very different from saying, Trump is the American fascist journalist murdering, country invading, billionaire bloodsucker. | ||
| To use Alex's terms. | ||
| Of Russia. | ||
| Here's the thing that you're missing. | ||
| He's been prepping his audience for this for at least a year and a half. | ||
| That's true. | ||
| And not like this is the big reveal or anything like this. | ||
| I think this is him showing his cards way too much to someone like me who's listening critically. | ||
| But I think that he's been preparing his audience by talking about how the globalists are going to snatch your kids out of the backyard and want to drink their blood. | ||
| And Putin is the only one defending against it. | ||
| But he hasn't talked too much about that for a while now. | ||
| All that stuff has been sublimated to Trump with the same goal, though, the same goal being that this is let's co-opt Alexander Dugan's language. | ||
| You know, the he is the guy who's standing between the Antichrist and you. | ||
| Alex Jones has taken that sort of idea on and applied it to Trump. | ||
| And now the audience is ready for it. | ||
| There to be two people standing between them and the Antichrist. | ||
| It's incredibly fucked up. | ||
| It's deeply and profoundly fucked up. | ||
| And I think it comes entirely down to the fact that Alex Jones has been fucking... | ||
| He's lost his mind, and he just believes out-and-out propaganda. | ||
| He's been in a propaganda hole for so long, yelling about the globalists. | ||
| Believing nonsense stories. | ||
| Again, it's because he has brain damage from these things that we've uncovered from his own stories. | ||
| Most likely. | ||
| He doesn't understand where truth and reality mixes into fantasy and lies, and he's been lied to, and he believes that lie narrative because he has too many people around him who are aggressive. | ||
| Look, it comes down to, I think, also the fact that we talk about who the fuck is going on this show? | ||
| Who the fuck is actually going to spend time talking to this dickhole? | ||
| He's a racist fuck. | ||
| You know, all this stuff. | ||
| It's been demonstrated over and over again how much of a white identity bias he has. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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So who is going on to this discredited, alienated show that maybe has a million listeners? | |
| Maybe. | ||
|
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That's entirely possible. | |
| but you want a million bigots on yourself? | ||
| The people who are going on to that... | ||
| Well, that's a good question. | ||
| I don't. | ||
| Yeah, but the GOP does. | ||
| They've got way more than a million bigots on their side. | ||
| I'm certainly happy with the about, let's say... | ||
| You know, way less than that policy wonks that we have. | ||
| I'm thrilled with it. | ||
| Yeah, no kidding. | ||
| But be that as it may... | ||
| Why is it that a silly comedy podcast about Alex Jones discovers a crazy Russian plot? | ||
| What is this? | ||
| And let's be clear. | ||
| Why isn't Media Matters talking about this shit? | ||
| Let's be clear. | ||
| We have not necessarily uncovered it, but we've seen very strong indications that Alex Jones is... | ||
| Not that he's a Russian agent. | ||
| Again, I'm not saying that. | ||
| No, he's not a Russian agent. | ||
| He's a shill. | ||
| He's on board with this stuff and is beholden to because he does not understand the difference between truth and reality. | ||
| And is propagating it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He's spreading this. | ||
| Yeah, and here's the thing. | ||
| I get... | ||
| Which, I don't know if you know this or not, but during the run-up to 1939, or 1937... | ||
| There were a lot of op-eds in American newspapers supporting Hitler. | ||
| Yeah, and a bunch of stuff about how Hitler will calm down once the election's over. | ||
| Oh, of course. | ||
| Yeah, the whole thing. | ||
| There were a lot of people normalizing and being like, eh, this will blow over. | ||
| But be that as it may, I want to say this about Media Matters. | ||
| I don't think that they're necessarily dumb or evil or anything like that. | ||
| But they are an organization that relies on... | ||
| Clicks. | ||
| Yeah, and traffic and attention. | ||
| And we aren't, because we are just doing this. | ||
| We don't expect to make a living off this. | ||
| It would be great. | ||
| We would love it. | ||
| We don't expect to do that. | ||
| We're dumbasses. | ||
| You're a comedian. | ||
| I quit doing comedy. | ||
| Once a comedian, always a comedian. | ||
| Yeah, it's in my bones. | ||
| It's in your blood. | ||
| But we're doing this because... | ||
| The reason you quit is because I drank your adrenochrome. | ||
| That's what happened. | ||
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I have no more adrenaline in my blood. | |
| We're doing this because we've stumbled into something and we believe in it. | ||
| And I've bullied you into it. | ||
| Because when I said we, I mean I've stumbled into this. | ||
| And it's fun to hang out with you and drink. | ||
| I'm just here to make your beliefs palatable. | ||
| I need someone to bounce it off. | ||
| But back to Media Matters, they are really into getting attention. | ||
| So whenever this came out, this interview was on the 4th. | ||
| On the 3rd, Milo Yiannopoulos was on, and they gay-bashed Glenn Beck, which we talked about last week. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| And that they made an article about, and that went viral. | ||
| People were complaining about Milo and him talking about Glenn Beck's gay sweaters and stuff like that. | ||
| This is so much more important. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Now, I don't know. | ||
| I don't go to Media Matters all the time, so I don't know what all their articles are. | ||
| But in the past, I have gone and looked at, like, what are they covering? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And I know that in the past, they have covered not stories like this necessarily, but more substantial stories about Glenn Beck, about Alex Jones. | ||
| And you look at the shares on it. | ||
| Not as high. | ||
| So low. | ||
| So it's just that most people don't care. | ||
| It's hard to engage with these ideas. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Well, I would say that before this, for me, there was a lot more complication to it. | ||
| It was a lot more nuanced, right? | ||
| What do you mean? | ||
| So we're talking about Alex Jones' pro-Russia situation in 2015, right? | ||
| If you are really trying to parse that, there are a lot of different elements that could come in. | ||
| Just like you and I have talked about. | ||
| I've consistently been skeptical of your kind of gestalt theory on all of this. | ||
| But let me be clear. | ||
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So have I. I've been skeptical of my own theories. | |
| I'm not judging you. | ||
| That's more for me than for you. | ||
| I want people to realize I'm not lying when I say I didn't come into this with an agenda. | ||
| Other than laughing at Alex Jones' dumbass. | ||
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But you were saying. | |
| Before, I would say that it is much easier to be skeptical because there are so many different parts coming into play. | ||
| If he's just saying, you know, Putin's a strong man, you can say, well, he's just an idiot who likes big dicks. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| As you might imagine. | ||
| This is kind of unequivocal that he supports... | ||
| He supports Russian... | ||
| Russian what? | ||
| Expansion? | ||
| Russian... | ||
| What is the end goal of Dugan? | ||
| We'll get to that in a second. | ||
| God damn it! | ||
| Let's be clear. | ||
| For about a year and a half, Alex Jones has been screaming about how Donald Trump is our only hope and blah blah blah. | ||
| And then on this, the August 4th, 2017 episode, he allows an associate of Putin, who is a propagandist, To come onto his show and say that Trump is the American Putin and Putin is the Russian Trump. | ||
| And Alex Jones agrees. | ||
| And then he doubles down on it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So that means that everything that he believes about Trump and has been saying in the past, in some fashion he believes about Putin. | ||
| Trump is the American Putin. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| That's genuinely what Alex believes. | ||
| So now I want to bring this to you. | ||
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Hold on. | |
| Yeah. | ||
| I'm sorry, do you actually have a thought? | ||
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No, I have a question. | |
| Does Dugan ever kind of drop... | ||
| What it is he's going for? | ||
| Or is he just going on here to kind of spread pro-Putin propaganda? | ||
| He wants to talk about his book a little bit, but then also there... | ||
| Oh, that's the other thing. | ||
| Milo Yiannopoulos was on because Alex Jones is selling his book on InfoWars. | ||
| Great. | ||
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So that's a part that's missing from the whole story. | |
| Oh, so Simon& Schuster is gone because... | ||
| No, they dropped it. | ||
| Yeah, no, no, that's what I'm saying. | ||
| Simon& Schuster is gone, so Milo went to the only outlet that would still sell his book. | ||
| Well, that was secondary. | ||
| He went to the... | ||
| Oh, that's true. | ||
| And he plays this whole game in the interview where it's like, you know what? | ||
| I just had to rely on the support of the people. | ||
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Like, fuck you. | |
| Right now, we have an Easter sale on my book. | ||
| It's 55% off. | ||
| It's $17.76. | ||
| You can get it at Infowars.com. | ||
| But back to your question about Dugan. | ||
| No, most of it is he wants to talk about his book a little bit. | ||
| He brings up his idea about the fourth political theory. | ||
| It's boring. | ||
| Alex can't engage with it. | ||
| But the rest of it is... | ||
| It's all just pro-Putin stuff. | ||
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Wow. | |
| And anti-globalist stuff, which is because of the nature of the interview. | ||
| Dugan doesn't believe in globalists. | ||
| I think he actually does. | ||
| You think he does? | ||
| Like, for real? | ||
| Based on what I can tell from his writing, yes. | ||
| But I also think that it's a convenient excuse for his Eurasianism theory, which we'll get to in a minute. | ||
| But before we do, I have a game show. | ||
| Thank God. | ||
| Thank God, Dan. | ||
| We have a segment. | ||
| The destruction of the Republic does need to be interrupted by a game show. | ||
| Ladies and gentlemen, this is the first segment that has ever happened. | ||
| I have prepared a segment. | ||
| So at the end of that clip, Alex Jones, I know it's like 15 minutes in the past now, but at the end of that clip, Alex Jones said that the globalists are satanic, and you know this because they don't have any children. | ||
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Sure. | |
| Now, I have pulled up a list. | ||
| Of some of his big globalists. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| And I'd like you to try and guess how many children they have. | ||
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Okay. | |
| Bill Gates. | ||
| How many children does Bill and Melinda Gates have? | ||
| I believe he has three children. | ||
| You are correct. | ||
| Three children. | ||
| Excellent. | ||
| One point for me. | ||
| One point. | ||
| Jordan with one point. | ||
| Not zero. | ||
| Gotcha. | ||
| Barack Obama. | ||
| Barack has two children? | ||
| Two children. | ||
| Two lovely children. | ||
| Two points for me. | ||
| The Clintons. | ||
| Clintons have one child. | ||
| That's correct. | ||
| Zbigniew Brzezinski. | ||
| Oh, that one's going to be tougher. | ||
| That one's going to be tougher. | ||
| Champion globalist Zbigniew Brzezinski. | ||
| You know what? | ||
| I'm actually going to go one up. | ||
| I'm going to say four. | ||
| He has three. | ||
| Oh, damn it! | ||
| He has Mika. | ||
| He has a son who was an ambassador to Sweden, I believe, and a foreign policy child. | ||
| Oh, good for him. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| So all of them sort of followed in the family business. | ||
| The child was born of foreign policy? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| A foreign policy child. | ||
| Jacob Rothschild! | ||
| Ooh, Jacob Rothschild, too. | ||
| The Baron of Rothschild, or whatever. | ||
| The fourth Baron. | ||
| He has four children. | ||
| Oh, shit! | ||
| Four children. | ||
| That's more than Alex. | ||
| No, I think it's equivalent. | ||
| No, I think Alex has four. | ||
| That's a tie. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| David Rockefeller, who just recently died. | ||
| Rockefeller? | ||
| I'm going to go with 14. He has six. | ||
| Oh, I knew it was going to be big. | ||
| I didn't know how big. | ||
| Six children. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| That's not zero, Alex. | ||
| That's too many children. | ||
| All of these globalists have tons of children. | ||
| I mean, I guess if you're a billionaire, six is fine. | ||
| George Soros. | ||
| Three. | ||
| He has five. | ||
| Five kids? | ||
| Five kids. | ||
| Soros, you gotta stop fucking. | ||
| All these people. | ||
| He's like, you've noticed these globalists never have kids? | ||
| All of them have kids and some of them crazy numbers. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Jesus. | ||
| George Soros has five kids. | ||
| David Rockefeller had six kids. | ||
| Those are big numbers. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| That's Little House on the Prairie type numbers. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| You have a fucking global operation and banking to concern yourself with. | ||
| Not a farm. | ||
| What are you doing? | ||
| Soros does have a TV show called Five is Enough. | ||
| I remember that one. | ||
| So that's the end of the game show. | ||
| Soros is enough. | ||
| Alex Jones is fucking stupid. | ||
| It's another example of him just making claims out of nowhere. | ||
| That was just bullshit that he was throwing out there. | ||
| The audience will just be like, oh yeah, of course they don't have any children. | ||
| They don't care about the future. | ||
| All of them have fucking children. | ||
| Yeah, of course. | ||
| And if Alex wants to play this game, we're like, well, the Clintons, that wasn't actually Bill's kid. | ||
| I will say, I don't care about your bullshit narrative. | ||
| It's still Hillary's kid. | ||
| So, I don't give a shit. | ||
| Why don't you go fuck yourself? | ||
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Hey! | |
| Do you know who is the father of Megyn Kelly's kid? | ||
| Probably Putin. | ||
| It's definitely Putin. | ||
| You got her all wet. | ||
| Does Kelly have a Putin? | ||
| Does Kelly have a child? | ||
| I didn't look into that. | ||
| I don't think that she's an arch... | ||
| I don't think she has a child. | ||
| She's also not an arch-globalist. | ||
| She became a globalist, though, once she left Fox News, right? | ||
| But she's nouveau globalist. | ||
| She's not like the old-school globalists, like these people on this list. | ||
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Right, right, right. | |
| I mean, you could make an argument that Barack Obama and the Clintons are just tools of the globalists, but the rest of them, like Zbigniew Brzezinski, Alex Jones, talks about how he is one of the people who set the agenda. | ||
| Architects. | ||
| George Soros runs the whole fucking thing. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| Rockefeller was the heart and soul of globalism, and the Rothschilds family is what's all behind it. | ||
| It's fucking nonsense. | ||
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Wow. | |
| So stupid. | ||
| This should just be a small indication that everything he says is made up. | ||
| He just comes up with stuff and knows no one's going to look into it. | ||
| Well, and that wasn't even something that he planned on making up. | ||
| Like, that was just a throw-off. | ||
| Yeah, but it was a throw-off reinforcing his idea that there are globalist Satanists who don't give a shit about anything. | ||
| No, exactly. | ||
| He's just riffing on that one. | ||
| Like, that one was just him throwing out a bunch of shit, and then he's like, eh! | ||
| They probably don't have kids. | ||
| Who fucking cares? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I've never heard that. | ||
| Yeah, I'm not paying attention. | ||
| I've never spent... | ||
| Hours on air complaining about George Soros' son, which he literally has. | ||
| I've never talked about Chelsea Clinton over and over and over again. | ||
| Alex Soros is in college. | ||
| I've never spent a bunch of segments complaining about how Barack Obama's kids behave. | ||
| Yeah, no, of course not. | ||
| He was in that shit, man, when they were talking about Malia dancing at Lollapalooza. | ||
| He was on board with that. | ||
| I hate all of these people so much. | ||
| I hate all of them so fucking much. | ||
| They're terrible. | ||
| Un-fucking-believable. | ||
| Let's get back to this, though, because... | ||
| Look, the problem is that we're not normal. | ||
| That's true. | ||
| We're weird. | ||
| Regardless of your ideology, that is true. | ||
| We're weird. | ||
| And Alexander and Alex want to talk about a couple people who are normal. | ||
| But their goal is against normality and people and Trump. | ||
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They are normal. | |
| They represent not ideological, special ideological circles or special world vision. | ||
| They represent the peoples. | ||
| And that's very important. | ||
| They could be called populists. | ||
| So, hey, Putin and Trump are normal. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| They're just normal people. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| All these other people... | ||
| All Paul Shaw. | ||
| All these other people are just aberrations to the normality. | ||
| Obama? | ||
| Freak. | ||
| Yeah, totally. | ||
| Him having the most average amount of children, you know. | ||
| That's about all I know about him being normal. | ||
| He's not normal. | ||
| All world leaders are not normal. | ||
| If you want to be a world leader, you're an insane person. | ||
| You'd expect that there's some overlap between... | ||
| At least a powerful personality, a powerful ideology that you have backing your principles. | ||
| That's not normal. | ||
| So I want to take now... | ||
| This guy, Alexander Dugan, is saying... | ||
| This fucking guy. | ||
| He's saying that the two of them are normal. | ||
| And so now I think it's a good time as any to talk about what is normal to him. | ||
| Oh, here we go. | ||
| So I've looked into this a little bit. | ||
| We've got a new game show. | ||
| This is when you give me three options and I have to pick out which one is normal to him. | ||
| No, I'm just going to read some paragraphs. | ||
| From this article by a guy named Paul Ratner. | ||
| It's written up on BigThink.com. | ||
| There's a bunch of sources. | ||
| I've looked into them. | ||
| They check out. | ||
| So I trust this in terms of... | ||
| I've read some Russian sources on this, too, because Google translates stuff. | ||
| I've gone and checked. | ||
| Everything that he's saying matches up. | ||
| But he writes it up very well, so I'm just going to read his article. | ||
| Dugan contrasts... | ||
| Okay, so I need to give a little bit of setup. | ||
| One of the things he talks about a lot, Alexander Dugan, that is, is the idea that for the last couple decades we've had a unipolar world where the United States is the only massive power in the world. | ||
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Right. | |
| And what Dugan would like to see is a multipolar world, which makes some sense on some level. | ||
| I don't disagree, I suppose. | ||
| I don't think that the United States needs to be the only supreme power in the world. | ||
| Egotistical? | ||
| I think that's a little tunnel vision-y? | ||
| I think I would probably argue that there should be an apolar world as opposed to a unipolar, tripolar, or whatever it is. | ||
| I like the sound of that. | ||
| I like the idea of an apolar world, if that is possible. | ||
| I'm not entirely sure. | ||
| But be that as it may... | ||
| For us to become a Type 1 civilization, it requires that. | ||
| Well, we're never going to get there. | ||
| But be that as it may, Dugan likes to talk about a multipolar world where Russia becomes a superpower that is able to check... | ||
| The United States superpower. | ||
| That's why he's really big into what's going on in Syria, because it is a situation where... | ||
| It's a proxy war. | ||
| Well, it's a situation where Assad was this guy, and the United States came in, like, gotta get him out of here. | ||
| And they're a superpower, and of course, whatever they say goes. | ||
| But no, Russia comes in and is like, hold on. | ||
| You don't get to just say that. | ||
| So the way Alexander Dugan would present that is, and I'm basing this on an interview he did with the BBC. | ||
| Right. | ||
| The way he would present that is because we have nukes and because we aren't to be trifled with, we can step in and say, no, you aren't the big supreme leader in the world. | ||
| And it's not because we like Assad. | ||
| It's just on principle. | ||
| So here's a quote from the article. | ||
| Dugan contrasts his theory of a multipolar world with what he and conspiracy theorists worldwide see as the movement towards creating a, quote, world government led by disingenuous globalist elites who are out to deprive people of a sense of identity and to subjugate them into their corporate needs. | ||
| In this world of a number of regional superpowers, what role would Russia have? | ||
| Who would have guessed? | ||
| What is Eurasia? | ||
| Basically, it's the territory of the former Soviet Union. | ||
| Wow! | ||
| Boy, does he get really... | ||
| That's very subtle. | ||
| That's a subtle thing right there. | ||
| Dugan thinks the Soviet Union just took over the boundaries of a historical union of people and ethnicities that were there for the Russian Empire. | ||
| As Russia is a country of a unique culture and destiny, it is its mission to create a center of power that has elements of both Europe and Asia, the two continents straddled by the expansive country. | ||
| So... | ||
| Part of his philosophy is this thing called Eurasianism. | ||
| And that is the idea that you're going to create a Eurasian union. | ||
| Alex Jones is really against those sorts of things. | ||
| I mean, he even pointed out, Multipolar is a globalist organization. | ||
| Like, he used that sentence. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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That's... | |
| Dude, does he buy his own bullshit? | ||
| Alex? | ||
| No, this Alexander Dugan fuck. | ||
| I would say possibly. | ||
| He can't possibly buy that dumb... | ||
| That's dumb. | ||
| It's not that that's evil or some kind of... | ||
| Like, it's just dumb. | ||
| It's not lunacy. | ||
| It's idiocy. | ||
| Like, how can you possibly believe? | ||
| No, it's not. | ||
| It is! | ||
| It's stupid! | ||
| It's a fine layer of varnish over expansionism. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It is good... | ||
| But that's what I'm saying about buying his own bullshit! | ||
| No, it's good... | ||
| He knows exactly what he means. | ||
| But it's good PR. | ||
| Right, but what he's saying is, we want the Soviet Union back. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Now, what kind of bullshit moron would think that they would stop at the fucking Soviet Union back? | ||
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That's un-fucking-believable! | |
| Right. | ||
| There's no way that... | ||
| Look, say they get the Soviet Union back. | ||
| Then we're good. | ||
| Guess what happened? | ||
| Guess what happens? | ||
| Do you remember that Poland used to... | ||
| Like, it's just made up bullshit to try and take over as much as they fucking can. | ||
| Oh yeah, pretty much all of Europe would get absorbed by that at some point. | ||
| So he can't possibly buy this nonsense. | ||
| No, but he doesn't buy it. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| That's his public face. | ||
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How... | |
| Do you not understand that? | ||
| Words need to mean things! | ||
| You are having such a difficult time. | ||
| I'm having a fucking stroke is what I'm having. | ||
| The reason you're having a difficult time is you're trying to accept face value from propagandists. | ||
| I'm not. | ||
| I'm just trying to say that I just find it so I find it so fascinating. | ||
| That these people are such sociopaths. | ||
| They're such psychopaths. | ||
| Big time. | ||
| That they can lie like this. | ||
| They can twist reality into something that is a mirror version of this world. | ||
| And they can pull it off. | ||
| Like, he's brilliant on this show. | ||
| And this is all... | ||
| It's not hard with Alex. | ||
| Well, yeah, that's fair. | ||
| The world's greatest straight man. | ||
| That's very fair. | ||
| That's very fair. | ||
| Well, he's no Phil Hartman, but he's very good. | ||
| He's like one of the Smothers Brothers. | ||
| I'm not sure which one. | ||
| He's not even Dave Foley. | ||
| Come on. | ||
| The thing about... | ||
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Do you watch True Crime at all? | |
| I've seen some stuff. | ||
| You see these monsters and you think, how can a human being think like that? | ||
| How can a human being do something like that? | ||
| But these guys, on a grand scale, are... | ||
| Pure insanity. | ||
| Well, I know that I've watched a lot of, like, cops and those sorts of shows, and, you know, everyone, whenever you're caught red-handed, you always sort of come up with an excuse. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And those are dumb people. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| Alexander Dukin's a really smart person who knows he will be caught red-handed eventually, and has created an entire worldview based around preemptively not having to make that excuse at the last second. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| And that's what he's doing. | ||
| But that's the difference between a human being and a psychopath. | ||
| Like, if you're on Cops... | ||
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Genius. | |
| It's genius. | ||
| Well, I don't know if I would go... | ||
| The difference between a normal bad person and a psychopath is, to some extent, a layer of intelligence. | ||
| Well, I mean... | ||
| Yeah, you're not wrong. | ||
| You're not wrong. | ||
| I have another paragraph to read you. | ||
| I mean, a serial killer usually gets away with plenty. | ||
| So you have to be pretty smart to get away with that many murders. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So Alex Jones likes to talk about America being the new Atlantis. | ||
| We can recall a number of times in our investigations and episodes where he's talked about that. | ||
| Yeah, that one's fun. | ||
| That one he's not saying that Russia is great. | ||
| He's also talked a lot about Atlantis in terms that don't match up with Plato, and he cites Plato on that. | ||
| And here's a quote that has to do with Atlantis about Dugan. | ||
| From Alex or from Dugan? | ||
| This is from that article from Big Think about Dugan's philosophies. | ||
| Dugan digs even deeper into his very controversial historical analysis, claiming Eurasia's current opponent is not just the United States, but Atlanticism, an axis of cooperation between Europe, U.S., and Canada that crosses the Atlantic Ocean. | ||
| These maritime liberal nations value individuality and market forces. | ||
| Eurasia, on the other hand, represents the conservative philosophy of landlocked continentalism, which, according to Eurasians, has among its values a hierarchical structure, law and order, tradition, We have Atlantis versus Eurasia. | ||
| In fact, Dugan claims all history can be viewed as a battle between maritime and land-based nations. | ||
| That is very true. | ||
| He's written a bunch of stuff about that, how a lot of wars can just be traced back to water versus land, people. | ||
| It's wild. | ||
| I mean, the waterbenders and the earthbenders have never really gotten along well. | ||
| Keep trying to get me to watch this fucking Avatar. | ||
| You're gonna watch Avatar. | ||
| That's what's gonna happen. | ||
| He's the last airbender there. | ||
| Freewheeling people. | ||
| I base a lot of my philosophy on Aang. | ||
| This is very important to me? | ||
| No, I have no idea. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's crazy. | ||
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Mm-hmm. | |
| Water people versus land people. | ||
| Mm-hmm. | ||
| Was fucking Genghis Khan fighting against a lot of navies? | ||
| Like, fuck you. | ||
| That's insanity. | ||
| It's pretty dumb. | ||
| Dan, you've made me very angry today. | ||
| I'm trying to speak in complete sentences, and I'm not doing a good job. | ||
| A little bit earlier, I made the claim that he wants to end the world, and here's a quote from his book, That Fourth Political Theory. | ||
| The end times and the eschatological meaning of politics will not realize themselves on their own. | ||
| We will wait for the end in vain. | ||
| The end will never come if we wait for it, and it will never come if we do not. | ||
| It is the fourth political... | ||
| Well, then don't! | ||
| The end times won't come unless we do it. | ||
| So then it's easy. | ||
| If the fourth political practice is not able to realize the end of times, then it would be invalid. | ||
| The end of days should come, but it will not come by itself. | ||
| That's not good. | ||
| But, hey, whatever. | ||
| That's like a Patton Oswalt bit about George W. Bush wanting to become the last president. | ||
| Yeah, but this isn't a joke. | ||
| No, it's not. | ||
| This is a real guy. | ||
| This is a Russian philosopher who has the ear of Putin. | ||
| Who's on Alex Jones' show. | ||
| Who now has the ear of Alex Jones' listeners. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Who have been primed for at least a year to be sympathetic to his views because the globalists and the globalist-controlled media are just lying about all this shit. | ||
| Bringing about the end times, exactly what the Antichrist wants to do. | ||
| And what Bannon kind of wants to do in terms of his cyclical view of history. | ||
| So their New World Order is... | ||
| Oh, God, these people are so fucking crazy. | ||
| Well, I mean, I don't think that we've ever taken it out to a macro scale. | ||
| Because we talk about all the time, we bring up how Alex Jones accuses people of doing what he's going to do. | ||
| So if we take it to the nth degree, him talking about the New World Order... | ||
| And all that stuff, maybe that is... | ||
| Maybe that's their goal. | ||
| Because clearly that's Dugan's goal. | ||
| Dugan wants the New World Order, and he's peddling this bullshit philosophy. | ||
| Through Eurasianism. | ||
| Yeah, he's peddling this bullshit philosophy of destroying the world, when in reality what he's talking about is creating that very New World Order that he is claiming to fight against. | ||
| But he wants to do it through a massive war. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| He wants to do it through a massive death-filled war. | ||
| I mean, fucking Orwell nailed that. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So here is the last bit. | ||
| Eternal war is a very simple way to take over. | ||
| Here's the last bit I'm going to read, and this has to do with the idea that it is kind of confusing to think beyond trying to hurt Hillary Clinton why the Russians would meddle in the election and what exactly their goal is. | ||
| And in this article, this gentleman lays out, this Paul Ratner lays out, How Dugan's influence probably has some role to play in the actual campaign. | ||
| To see what Dugan might advocate specifically, we can look at his best-selling book, The Foundation of Geopolitics, from 1997, which had particular success among Russian military, and according to foreign policy and Dugan's own words, is assigned as a textbook at Russian military universities. | ||
| That's not good. | ||
| The book outlines a vision for Russia in the 21st century that would lead to Eurasia's formation, which is that Eurasian Union that he wants. | ||
| That's not good. | ||
| I mean, it's just the reunion of the Soviet Union. | ||
| But also includes specific strategies for defeating or neutralizing the United States. | ||
| These include destabilizing and disinformation campaigns using Russian special forces and asymmetrical warfare, splitting alliances between U.S. and countries like Germany and France, as well as fermenting division. | ||
| On page 367 of the first edition of the book, Dugan explains, quote, It is essentially important to introduce geopolitical disorder into internal American activity, encouraging all kinds of separatism and ethnic, social, and racial conflicts, actively supporting all dissident movements, extremist, racist, and sectarian groups, thus destabilizing internal political processes in the United States. | ||
| It would also make sense simultaneously to support isolationist tendencies in American politics. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Gotta give it to them. | ||
| They're good. | ||
| They did it! | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| They did it. | ||
| You gotta give it to them. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Like, they did a great job. | ||
| And Alex is fucking helping. | ||
| So even though, like, even if it's not out-and-out collusion, these people are working for the Russians. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Like, Trump running on a purely racist campaign. | ||
| And isolationist. | ||
| Works perfectly for the Russians. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| And that's from 1997 he had these ideas. | ||
| I don't think it's possible for us to figure out exactly when Alex became beholden to Russian propaganda. | ||
| I know I said that it's the summer of 2015, but it's entirely possible he had influences beyond that. | ||
| Or it's just possible that when they became much more active in terms of their behaviors, they realized, oh, these goals that... | ||
| Alexander Dugan clearly set out in this book that is now a textbook for Russian military operations at the universities. | ||
| Alex is already on board. | ||
| He is really into creating racial strife. | ||
| He's really into all this stuff. | ||
| Legitimately reading that, my heart fluttered. | ||
| Because I'm just like, this is so clear exactly what Alex is doing. | ||
| And it's exactly what happened. | ||
| Man, that's fucking nuts! | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| What are we going to do, Dan? | ||
| We're going to die. | ||
| I know I've been talking about that. | ||
| But goddammit, it's hard not to believe that this is going to go... | ||
| It's not going to go well. | ||
| This is going to go real fucked up real soon. | ||
| It's going to get worse before it gets better. | ||
| That's definitely... | ||
| Oh man, I love your optimism. | ||
| So, I mean, look at all the details in there. | ||
| Look at the stuff about, like, in 1997, Alexander Dugan is laying out a campaign for the creation of Eurasia that involves strategic splitting of strong alliances, like with Germany, like with France. | ||
| We're seeing that happen in front of our eyes. | ||
| We saw an attempt for that to happen with Le Pen. | ||
| In her candidacy. | ||
| A successful situation with Brexit. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| I mean, UK isn't mentioned specifically in there, but of course that's in there. | ||
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But why not? | |
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| That was there. | ||
| That's part of the Atlantean alliance or whatever. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| The water people. | ||
| And now Germany's election's coming up, and we're going to see that, even beyond that, Trump has insulted Germany. | ||
| The EU has proven pretty strong in fighting against it. | ||
| Relatively. | ||
| Yeah, the fact that they defeated Le Pen... | ||
| The fact that most of the EU is really united. | ||
| The EU didn't defeat Le Pen. | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| I'm not saying that. | ||
| I'm saying the French people. | ||
| I want to be clear about that lest people think that we're saying the globalists defeated her or something like that. | ||
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Yeah, yeah. | |
| Fair. | ||
| You have to think about how these things sound. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Fair, fair. | ||
| But so far it seems that a lot of things have proved fairly resilient in this regard. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| I think... | ||
| Sort of institutions seem much stronger than our own. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Let's say. | ||
| Internally, I think we have much more to worry about in terms of our norms, in terms of our values eroding. | ||
| Well, it turns out not enough stuff was written down. | ||
| Turns out. | ||
| The assumption on so many of these things before they were written down is just people will like America. | ||
| And it turns out they were way off. | ||
| The Constitutional Congress should have... | ||
| Plan for America hating itself. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I want to go back to this part of the quote, too, the direct quote from Dugan, about encouraging all kinds of separatism and ethnic, social, and racial conflicts, actively supporting all dissident movements, extremist, racist, and sectarian groups, thus destabilizing internal political processes in the United States. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| I want to go back to that because I think it's really important for us to look at, in the wake of the election... | ||
| There was a guy, I can't remember his name, who was trying to lead a secessionist movement in California. | ||
| Yes, Calexit. | ||
| Calexit. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He was working on that, and then he moved to Russia. | ||
| No! | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's not true. | ||
| And then gave up on the Kalexit campaign. | ||
| That is not true. | ||
| It is. | ||
| Tell me that's not true. | ||
| It is 100% true. | ||
| Could you tell me one more time that's not true? | ||
| I wish I could. | ||
| I just need to hear it one more time from you. | ||
| Wish I could tell you it once. | ||
| How not true that was. | ||
| It's absolutely true. | ||
| So with the Kalexit thing. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That guy moving to Russia. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Kalexit was... | ||
| That doesn't actually necessarily mean anything evil, but it's weird. | ||
| It doesn't mean anything. | ||
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It's weird. | |
| It's coincidental. | ||
| Weird. | ||
| To an insane degree. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| But that was a massive failure. | ||
| If you were talking about some sort of Russian propaganda campaign to try and fund that, that had no fertile soil, so to speak. | ||
| No, but you know what? | ||
| But if you're a smart fisherman, you cast a wide net. | ||
| Yeah, of course. | ||
| You're going to not catch a ton of fish, but you're going to catch the rest of them. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| And that's, I think, what, if we're talking about that... | ||
| In terms of maybe that's an actualized plan that they pulled off. | ||
| Then what they've discovered is that our racists, our bigots, our religious fuckers, all of those people are far more easy to hoodwink than our sectarians, if you will. | ||
| Wait, who are our sectarians? | ||
| Like, the collection people. | ||
| Alex Jones? | ||
| No, no, no, no, no. | ||
| Oh. | ||
| Because I would consider Alex Jones bordering on sectarians. | ||
| Disagree. | ||
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Okay. | |
| Alex Jones does not have a religion so much as he is religious. | ||
| He has a... | ||
| He has an anti-globalist religion. | ||
| Yeah, that's true. | ||
| But he has more of a nonsense theology as opposed to an ideology or a... | ||
| A traditional religion, if you will. | ||
| Fair enough. | ||
| If you're at 14th dimensional beings, you're not really a Christian. | ||
| You're so unfair as 12th. | ||
| You're right. | ||
| That was my fault. | ||
| That was my fault. | ||
| But the point being... | ||
| I kind of agree, but at the same time, I want to be clear that this is a book that he wrote that became widely adopted and became a textbook for Russian military universities... | ||
| I can't believe that. | ||
| ...that advocates for... | ||
| Paying and supporting disruptive entities within our internal body politic. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Which you would, if you go back to Le Pen and those, she was very pro-Russia. | ||
| You know why Alex Jones sells shirts for $4, $4.90 or $5 or whatever? | ||
| It's a loss leader. | ||
| So sometimes, you know, you're Russia and you support some movement that doesn't end up working out. | ||
| That's a loss leader. | ||
| You gotta spread it out, and then eventually something will sprout. | ||
| I think that there's something along those lines. | ||
| It does seem like that. | ||
| It does seem like they've thrown whatever it is they can at the wall, and with our racists, it's stuck. | ||
|
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| I have some good news, though, Jordan. | ||
| What's your good news? | ||
| Is Rappaport dead? | ||
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No. | |
| My good news is that we like to think of, you know, Trump. | ||
| Putin. | ||
| This guy's with a lot of money. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| They're really rich. | ||
| And we like to think that they're sort of snobby, and we sort of think of them as elitists. | ||
| Well, I think of them as connected to the common man. | ||
| Well, you and Alexander Dugan and Alex Jones have something in common. | ||
| See, there we go! | ||
| I knew that we would have... | ||
| They're not elitists trying to change the programming of humanity, God's system, and play God. | ||
| They are living in it and are part of it, and so that's why this artificial, synthetic, World government, transhumanist movement has openly declared war on men and women. | ||
| Their teaching in America in schools don't have men and women. | ||
| It's hurtful to others. | ||
| They are in open warfare saying humanity's ugly. | ||
| Dugan, Dugan, quick question. | ||
| Do you guys have purple penguins? | ||
| That's exactly why I kept the clip in. | ||
| Because it's degrading. | ||
| It's degrading for you to be speaking to someone. | ||
| An arch-propagandist. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Now, I feel a little bit murky giving him any sort of respect at all. | ||
| But at the same time, he is way smarter than Alex, and that is an example of the way Alex does these things in interviews where he says these lie narratives, and when the other person doesn't push back against it, he knows we're in good. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And we can just let it fly. | ||
| I see this as like a... | ||
| LeBron James playing against a college ball player. | ||
| These guys are not in the same stratosphere. | ||
| Totally. | ||
| So we've got just a couple more clips to get through. | ||
| This next one is... | ||
| I was paranoid. | ||
| So it's pretty paranoid. | ||
| And also get your take on what is it like to watch what they're doing to Trump? | ||
| Because Putin rightfully said there is a war against Trump by the deep state. | ||
| It is going into high gear. | ||
| They are publicly on TV saying they're getting ready to kill him, which is meaning they're normalizing it so there's not riots. | ||
| If they do kill Trump, I mean, the sky's the limit. | ||
| Clearly they're planning a war with Russia. | ||
| It is just beyond psychotic. | ||
| Alex. | ||
| Your guest for 20 years has been angling for a war with us. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Why are you talking about the deep state trying to create a war with Russia? | ||
| You have a Russian on your show who has the ear of Putin, or at least has for years. | ||
| I don't know what the current situation is, but he's been trying to... | ||
|
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Ah, they golf. | |
| They golf on the weekends. | ||
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He's been trying to start a war with us. | |
| It's not great. | ||
| It's not great. | ||
| It's crazy. | ||
| I do like how he's saying that they're trying to normalize it for when they actually do assassinate. | ||
| When they jump. | ||
| Yeah, which is like, dude, you're trying to normalize when Putin reunites the Soviet Union. | ||
| Like, what are you doing here? | ||
| And further, Alex is trying to normalize also the idea that if they do... | ||
| And by the way, I'm putting they in quotes. | ||
| If Trump does get impeached or assassinated, then we jump. | ||
| He's normalizing the idea that it's all-out civil war at that point. | ||
| Well, he's normalizing the idea that we are currently in a civil war. | ||
| Right, but a hot civil war that will come once our savior, our Putin, is taken down. | ||
| I'm looking forward to Putin telling Trump to tear down the Mexican border wall. | ||
| Oh, that'd be great. | ||
| That'd be fun. | ||
| That'd be an ironic twist. | ||
| If you're writing the history book, that is where you do it. | ||
| That'd be terrifying. | ||
| As a civilian, that would be terrifying. | ||
| All of this is terrifying. | ||
| Putin being able to legitimately take some nice high ground would be not pleasant. | ||
| No, not good. | ||
| It's weird to listen to this episode in specific because a lot of the terror that we deal with I can go home and I can kind of unwind and just process it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| This is legitimately terrifying to the point where... | ||
| It's deeply troubling. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I don't... | ||
| I won't feel comfortable for days because of this. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Dan, you've ruined my vacation. | ||
| No, you'll be fine. | ||
| You'll be fine to see those fjords and be happy as shit. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Fjords or Norway. | ||
| Ah, whatever. | ||
| Who cares? | ||
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That's all... | |
| Globalist. | ||
| Speaking like a globalist. | ||
| So we have one more clip left. | ||
| And this one is just a little bit of... | ||
| It's interesting because we're done with Dugan now. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So a couple days ago, back on the 3rd, Mike Cernovich came out. | ||
| He released a video where he said that he is pivoting away from Trump. | ||
| No longer on the Trump team. | ||
| I'm going to just read a quote. | ||
| So I'm glad I've been doing more guerrilla mindset stuff, the journalism stuff. | ||
| I pivoted from a pro-Trump guy to a more journalistic guy, and I'm going to keep making that pivot. | ||
| So whenever people think of me as like a pro-Trump guy, I don't want people to think of me as a pro-Trump guy anymore. | ||
| I want people to think of me as a mindset guy, a journalist, a commentator, a social media personality, a filmmaker, an author. | ||
| But I have to pivot so far away from anything pro-Trump. | ||
| I just got to keep going that way. | ||
| So I've been pivoting. | ||
| I've been pivoting a little bit. | ||
| I've been pivoting. | ||
| And now the pivot is going to be even bigger. | ||
| Because what do you get from being a pro-Trump guy, right? | ||
| You shill for Trump all day. | ||
| So that's what he said. | ||
| Man, he just... | ||
| He got in a fight with Alex. | ||
| That's what he said on the 3rd. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| As you recall... | ||
| Don't tell me he's on the show. | ||
| As you recall... | ||
| Don't tell me he's on the show, Dan. | ||
| As you recall, before this, he was hosting the fourth hour once a week. | ||
| He was a very frequent Alex Jones guest. | ||
| He came up with the CNN is ISIS whole campaign. | ||
| Which Alex blew him on. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Just got down on his knees and went to town. | ||
| I'd like to further... | ||
| I'd like to reread this. | ||
| So I've been pivoting. | ||
| I've been pivoting a little bit, which I told you, right? | ||
| I've been pivoting, and now the pivot is going to be even bigger. | ||
| What do you get from being a pro-Trump guy? | ||
| You've got to shill for Trump all day. | ||
| I'm pivoting away from anything pro-Trump. | ||
| No! | ||
| Dan, don't play the clip of him being on the show! | ||
| This is from August 4th. | ||
| Fuck me. | ||
| The day after. | ||
| Fucking Christ. | ||
| Mike Cernovich, who's hosting the fourth hour, is going to pop in with how right he was with his White House sources on the purge that's now evident. | ||
| Where Infowars has been banned and much more. | ||
| And of course then Trump continues to be absolutely encircled by traitors. | ||
| It is crazy and McMaster is the ringleader. | ||
| And it was Cernovich that first identified that. | ||
| He's even trying to keep Don Jr. out of politics and defending his dad. | ||
| Every defender of the president is being cut off. | ||
| Because you should! | ||
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There's supposed to be a division between the two of them! | |
| That's called the... | ||
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That's fucking... | |
| I don't want anyone to think of me as a pro-Trump guy. | ||
| I'm going to specifically reject any kind of branding about pro-Trump or whatever. | ||
| I'm going this way. | ||
| Big, big pivot. | ||
| Big, big pivot. | ||
| So I've already made a bit of a pivot. | ||
| A little bit more now all the way over here. | ||
| That's where I am. | ||
| When the GOP elite in the deep state goes after Trump hard, who's going to have his back? | ||
| Do you gain anything by risking your reputation, your career, your business supporting Trump? | ||
| What's the upside? | ||
| So everything in life has an upside and a downside. | ||
| So you go risk... | ||
| You might lose it all. | ||
| You have a big downside. | ||
| Huge downside with Trump. | ||
| What's the upside? | ||
| First of all, that quote and everything that Mike Cernovich is saying is... | ||
| I really just care about money. | ||
| I was just doing this for money the whole time. | ||
| I legitimately have no principles attached to what I'm doing. | ||
| Secondly, the next day he's hosting the fucking fourth hour on a clear propaganda outlet for Donald Trump. | ||
| And he's doing it to talk about how right he was about the McMaster's leak. | ||
| And that's what brings me to my main point. | ||
| It's not about Trump. | ||
| The Trump thing was a way to make money. | ||
| For Mike Cernovich, he just laid it out. | ||
| On his fucking Periscope video that he put out where he pivots away from Trump. | ||
| Alex Jones made it clear in 2015 when we had that clip, that episode, where fucking Joe Biggs went to a Trump rally and Alex Jones realized he could make a lot of money on it. | ||
| The reason that Mike Cernovich is still doing the fourth hour to talk about his McMaster's leaks is because this globalist narrative is more important to them than... | ||
| Any of the little pieces of it. | ||
| Any of the details. | ||
| Doesn't matter about Trump. | ||
| Doesn't matter about anything. | ||
| It matters about book sales. | ||
| No. | ||
| The book sales are important. | ||
| But the anti-Semitism that lies behind the globalist narrative is inescapable. | ||
| I would say at this point now it's metastasized into full-on white nationalism. | ||
| Like, we're past anti-Semitism. | ||
| They walk hand in hand. | ||
| They do walk hand in hand, but anti-Semitism is much more contained. | ||
| Cernovich tweeted out a fucking picture of McMaster as a marionette. | ||
| And the person who had the strings of the marionette was Soros. | ||
| And then there was another marionette above that. | ||
| There was another marionette above that that had Rothschilds. | ||
| That's all just fucking this same nonsense narrative. | ||
| If you really dig into it, the Rothschilds do not have nearly as much money as everybody pretends they do. | ||
| And the whole story of their ascension to a global banking cartel that controls everything is complete nonsense. | ||
| It's ahistorical in the same way that everyone's... | ||
| It's right up there with everyone's anti-Central Bank shit. | ||
| It's like, yeah, the Central Bank, it's problematic as an idea, but it didn't come around as just a way to be evil. | ||
| Same thing with the Rothschilds. | ||
| They were very successful for a bit, and now their money has been diffused quite a bit. | ||
| They aren't nearly as rich as everyone thinks. | ||
| It seems like the greatest lesson... | ||
| It comes down to anti-Semitism. | ||
| The greatest lesson nobody ever learned since the death of Jesus Christ was, don't hate the Jews. | ||
| Comes back to bite you. | ||
| Yeah, three days later. | ||
| Seems to have bitten us pretty bad. | ||
| Well, I mean... | ||
| So many people hate the Jews for no good reason! | ||
| I am firm in my conviction, based on all the research that I've done about Alex Jones' individual sources that he claims that prove the globalism stuff. | ||
| They just don't say what he says they say. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| The things that do match up with the things he says come from sources like the Protocols of the Elders of Zion and deeply anti-Semitic frauds throughout history. | ||
| So I am of the mind. | ||
| Which was started by Russian intelligence. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| We're fucked! | ||
| We're fucked, Dan! | ||
| Yeah, totally. | ||
| I'm of the mind that Alex Jones is, knowing it or not, beholden to a deeply anti-Semitic worldview. | ||
| And a lot of these Johnny-come-latelys, the Cernoviches, the Jack Posobiec, the Cassandra Fairbanks, the Lawrence Southerns, These people are following right in the wake. | ||
| The Gavin McGinnises, too. | ||
| They're all just going along the exact same ride, and they are doing it maybe more effectively, maybe smarter than Alex because there's the new media aspect of it. | ||
| Maybe more craven about it. | ||
| I would say so. | ||
| More desperate. | ||
| I mean, if Cernovich is just admitting it out and out... | ||
| That it wasn't good for book sales to be into Trump. | ||
| Then it seems like they are much less beholden to any kind of thought process. | ||
| He specifically says in that rant that the Trump mindset book didn't sell as well, or the MAGA mindset didn't sell as well as guerrilla mindset. | ||
|
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| And so it's like... | ||
| You don't fucking have any... | ||
| So fighting for a toxic masculine identity sells far better than fighting for Trump. | ||
| Well, because that's too much. | ||
| That's putting a hat on a hat. | ||
|
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Yeah. | |
| You're putting toxic masculinity on top of toxic masculinity, and you don't need to do that. | ||
| That's a comedy error. | ||
| Hat on a hat. | ||
| Don't do it. | ||
| Don't do it. | ||
| But, like, I don't know if I'm making my point fully. | ||
| This thing with Cernovich is incredibly revealing. | ||
| Like, it exposes so much. | ||
| It exposes a ton about Mike Cernovich and what's, like, really meaningful to him. | ||
| The fact that he does this and big, big pivot away from Trump, I reject all branding of me being pro-Trump. | ||
| And then a day later, doing the Infowars fourth hour, which is an out-and-out Trump propaganda operation. | ||
| And Alex didn't... | ||
| Like, Alex didn't intervene in any way. | ||
| Like, Alex had to have seen him say, I'm way anti-Trump now. | ||
| Not anti-Trump, but I'm free of Trump. | ||
| I reject the branding. | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| And he didn't do shit. | ||
| I'm willing to believe he didn't see that. | ||
| That's fair. | ||
| He might be hungover. | ||
| That is fair. | ||
| There's a lot of possibilities in terms of the world of Alex Trump. | ||
| Might still be Jaeger-bombed. | ||
| Yeah, but... | ||
| I mean, that was two years back, but... | ||
| It's a long hangover. | ||
| Are we... | ||
| Rejecting that out of course, or are we still going with that? | ||
| Quite honestly, I feel like our country might be in a 17, 18 year hangover right now. | ||
| Yeah, fair. | ||
| I just, I think that... | ||
| We never should have elected Reagan, Dan! | ||
| That's where it all began! | ||
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Yeah. | |
| How we feeling? | ||
| We doing okay, Dan? | ||
| You know where I'm at? | ||
| Here's where I'm at. | ||
| Where you at? | ||
| I got too much going on inside my head. | ||
| In terms of a lot of these angles. | ||
| And I'm very worried that I'm not laying it out in a way that makes sense. | ||
| I'm deeply worried that it sounds like rampant conjecture and nonsense. | ||
|
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Yeah. | |
| Which there is no shortage of on the internet. | ||
| Right. | ||
| We're not trying to be Louise Mensch. | ||
| No. | ||
| And I'm deeply critical of myself in as much as even as I'm saying these things, I'm like, what are you doing? | ||
| And as soon as I post this, I will regret posting it. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| But that's with everything we've ever done. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| Every time I used to get on stage, I'm like, why am I doing this? | ||
| Every time I would do a podcast, I'd be like, Why did I do this? | ||
| Who the fuck wants this? | ||
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Exactly. | |
| Why am I hurting people with this? | ||
| That's deep insecurity that is just from bad parenting. | ||
| Who knows? | ||
| And that's how we got Putin. | ||
| Who knows? | ||
| Let's not psychoanalyze everything at this point, but I am deeply, deeply, deeply concerned about two things. | ||
| One is the big picture that we were talking about, about the Dugan and Alex clear... | ||
| Pro-Putin position. | ||
| That thing is incredibly troubling to me. | ||
| Because it does match up with what we saw in our last episode from two years in the past. | ||
| And there's a decent chance that all of this has been Alex's position the whole time. | ||
| And no one realized it. | ||
| That he is not a Russian agent, but is a Russian mouthpiece. | ||
| More or less. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He is someone who's compromised maybe by flattery. | ||
| Because... | ||
| Very simple. | ||
| You know what? | ||
| He lived in America for up till 2015. | ||
| What would that be? | ||
| 20 years? | ||
| 19 years? | ||
| Doing radio and everyone thinking he's crazy. | ||
| Uh-huh. | ||
| Some Russian people come around and be like, you're fucking awesome. | ||
| You got it. | ||
| You're so great. | ||
| Then he starts to see Russian propaganda that sounds a lot like him. | ||
| How would that not sway you? | ||
| That's true. | ||
| That's super villain backstory. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
|
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That's... | |
| Yeah. | ||
| So there's that. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| There's that image that's in my head. | ||
| The honeypot is just being told you're a good boy. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And then beyond that, I mean, the Cernovich shit, I'm so... | ||
| I mean, who cares, really? | ||
| But, like, I'm torn between that whole pivot is fake. | ||
| That's all fake. | ||
| Which it absolutely is. | ||
| Absolutely is fake. | ||
| That's a media stunt. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's Paul Joseph Watson saying that he eats paper. | ||
| Maybe. | ||
|
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Yeah. | |
| Maybe. | ||
| But it's possible that he's being sincere, but then he still will be on Infowars because... | ||
| He still believes in the globalist stuff. | ||
| And he thinks that he can exist on Infowars and not be branded as pro-Trump. | ||
| Which, I'm here to tell you, you can't. | ||
| You cannot do that. | ||
| But at the same time, if that is the case, that's even more troubling to me. | ||
| Because then, I mean, globalists aren't real. | ||
| And don't give me that look. | ||
| You know damn well. | ||
| It's an audio podcast, but I just raised a brow at you. | ||
| That was the people's eyebrow. | ||
| I just don't know what to do with it. | ||
| I don't know what to do with it. | ||
| I'm not ready to deal with the idea of there being just an out-and-out anti-globalist propaganda network. | ||
| Wherein Alex Jones allows someone who's not pro-Trump to be on it. | ||
| Like, that idea for me is fascinating. | ||
| It's scary, but it's fascinating. | ||
| It'll be interesting to see who influences who here. | ||
| So, imagine Cernovich's pivot is real, not because he doesn't support Trump anymore, but just because, why would I align myself with Trump's clearly disintegrating brand? | ||
| Right, right. | ||
| If that is true, then his argument to Alex is one, again, of craven opportunisticness. | ||
| Opportunistic... | ||
| Dude, you gotta get out of here. | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| Bro, you gotta get off the ship. | ||
| So he and Alex have a conversation that boils down to Alex saying, my audience is so pro-Trump, I can't pivot away. | ||
| And Cernovich saying... | ||
| It's a smart move money-wise in the long term. | ||
| That's fascinating. | ||
| But I can't not... | ||
| For me to sell books, I have to be divorced from Trump. | ||
| For you to sell shit, you have to be on board with Trump. | ||
| You know what, though? | ||
| This pivot didn't come six months ago from Cernovich. | ||
| So you know what I bet? | ||
| What? | ||
| I bet his book sales were great initially. | ||
| And then they're terrible now. | ||
| So they dropped off because everybody hates Trump. | ||
| Right. | ||
| So I bet the argument that Alex could make about long-term stuff holds no water. | ||
| And I would argue that... | ||
| No, that's what I'm saying Cernovich's argument is. | ||
| Long-term, this is bad. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But Alex saying, if I pivot... | ||
| I built up this operation. | ||
| If I pivot now... | ||
| Everything is over. | ||
| So for Cernovich, it's fine for him to pivot on a day. | ||
| Alex has to take months to pivot. | ||
| Cernovich came up with the CNN is ISIS shit. | ||
| He is a wonderkeen in terms of ideas. | ||
| This guy is an idea dude. | ||
| Alex Jones, Mike Cernovich, Buckley with a little sack of male vitality. | ||
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You know what? | |
| And a seventh wife stolen by Alex. | ||
| They get in a room together. | ||
| They snort some lines of that super male vitality. | ||
| They can come up with a way for Alex to get out of this thing real quick. | ||
| Except they can't, because Alex Jones, for the last couple years, has been beholden to Russian propaganda. | ||
| And, as early as Friday, has had a representative of that on his show. | ||
| It bums me out. | ||
| I don't want this to be the truth. | ||
| Does Cernovich have any kind of Russian propaganda? | ||
| I don't know enough about him. | ||
| Cernovich has to be independent of that, because he's way... | ||
| I think so. | ||
| He's way later. | ||
| No, but I think he's beholden to stuff in the same way that Alex is, but he's also just a shithead. | ||
| He came to prominence during the Gamergate stuff. | ||
| Which he can go fucking murder himself. | ||
| I hope he fucking shoots himself in the head. | ||
| He's that kind of guy. | ||
| He's a contrarian, right, male identity kind of dude online. | ||
| That's sort of been his scope. | ||
| And I haven't studied him enough to know if he has any... | ||
| I don't know if his narrative match up. | ||
| With Russia. | ||
| In the same way that Alex did. | ||
| He's a joke who fucking ties himself to this idea of masculinity that God help us should go away as soon as possible. | ||
| Agreed. | ||
| Agreed. | ||
| That's all he is. | ||
| So, at this point, I'm going to wish you a happy vacation. | ||
| I will try. | ||
| I think at this point... | ||
| There's a lot more information that we want that we don't have. | ||
| And we'll find out eventually. | ||
| But at this point, it's deeply troubling. | ||
| But we'll see. | ||
| We'll see what the other facts come in. | ||
| Oh, man. | ||
| If you want to know more... | ||
| Wait until we find out more. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Or you could follow us at knowledge underscore fight on Twitter. | ||
| Or you can go to our website, knowledgefight.com, and you can find our archive of episodes that have led us to this point, which has been a wild, harrowing eight-month journey. | ||
| Right? | ||
| Filled with more red herrings than the fucking Thin Man. | ||
| Like, what's going on here? | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| It's nonsense. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And then also filled with more revelations of... | ||
| What the fuck is this guy talking about? | ||
| Just like the Thin Man, I want some kind of drawing room scene where all of the players are put together around a table and we go like, now, it could be Alex Jones. | ||
| Up until right now, I thought you were talking about the Slender Man. | ||
| No, the Thin Man with Nick and Nora, you don't know this shit? | ||
| I only know about the Slender Man. | ||
| Dude. | ||
| Great movie. | ||
| Great movie. | ||
| A lot more acceptance of punching wives back in the day. | ||
| Oh, that's just, you know, that's... | ||
| Yeah, that's true. | ||
| It's a very relevant movie, apparently. | ||
| Yeah, it's very Russian. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Also, you can check us out on iTunes. | ||
| You can go to Facebook. | ||
| Yeah, Facebook. | ||
| You can check us out there. | ||
| I was trying to say it faster, so you would just let it go. | ||
| It's never going to happen. | ||
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Nope. | |
| Big shout out to all our peeps sending us messages on there. | ||
| We love all our policy wonks. | ||
| If you would like to become a policy wonk, go to knowledgefight.com and click the support the show button. | ||
| Yep, and we're getting buttons made and other merch stuff will be flowing in the near future. | ||
| Also, again, I said this on the last episode, I might as well reiterate it. | ||
| If you know someone who has a business that wants advertising. | ||
| I don't think there are a lot of businesses that want to be associated with me. | ||
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Or this. | |
| Probably not. | ||
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You know what else no one wants to be associated with? | |
| Gonorrhea? | ||
| This denture mouth piece of shit. | ||
| Oh, did Alex Jones' father make him his dentures? | ||
| You know what? | ||
| That's fascinating. | ||
| That's a good question. | ||
| I would love to know the truth about that. | ||
| CIA dentist comes in. | ||
| Hold on. | ||
| Hold on. | ||
| Let's hear this. | ||
| New narrative. | ||
| Let's hear how great this bit is never going to work. | ||
| John Rappaport at one point was normal. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| But then he got a toothache. | ||
| No! | ||
| We're talking about... | ||
| Oh, shit. | ||
| Oh, shit. | ||
| This is his backstory. | ||
| We're getting into evil dentures territory. | ||
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Yes. | |
| Okay. | ||
| So we're talking about Frankenstein dentures. | ||
| He took them from an info warrior. | ||
| 20 years ago, John Rappaport was a normal investigative journalist. | ||
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Right. | |
| He was just hanging out trying to get to the bottom of scoops, right? | ||
| But then, toothache. | ||
| Fuck, what am I going to do? | ||
| Well, I happen to be in Texas. | ||
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Might as well. | |
| Happen to be in Austin? | ||
| I hear great things about Dr. Jones. | ||
| He's a great guy. | ||
| He's a CIA dentist. | ||
| One of the top six dentists. | ||
| And you know what? | ||
| This dentist? | ||
| No time for love. | ||
| Dr. Jones. | ||
| Just gotta get in there with the teeth. | ||
| So he goes in. | ||
| He goes in. | ||
| Rappaport goes in. | ||
| Gets his teeth worked on. | ||
| Turns out, puts chimeras in his mouth. | ||
| His chimeras talk to him in his mouth. | ||
| Wait, his teeth are chimeras? | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| CIA dentist Dr. Jones puts in animal-human chimeras inside the feelings inside his teeth. | ||
| They start telling him all these things like... | ||
| HIV isn't real. | ||
| They start whispering those things inside his mouth, which, I mean, it's a resonant cavern. | ||
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It's going to get into your ear eventually. | |
| I'm following along. | ||
| If you're tiny and inside a mouth and you speak towards the throat, it's going to get to the ear. | ||
| It's going to get to the ear. | ||
| Oh, of course. | ||
| So these tiny chimeras inside the teeth start giving out. | ||
| I'm loving this. | ||
| You're running out of steam, but I'm loving it. | ||
| I've already run out of steam. | ||
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Anyway, none of this is true. | |
| The idea that somebody turns the podcast off the moment we get into plugs makes me laugh so much more now, considering the fact that we have never ended this show in an anywhere near competent manner. | ||
| Or coherent. | ||
| But anyway, that all isn't true. | ||
| What's the point that you're trying to make, Dan? | ||
| This guy named John Rappaport, with a T at the end, can fuck himself! | ||
| Andy in Kansas, you're on the air. | ||
| Thanks for holding. | ||
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Hello Alex, I'm a first time caller. | |
| I'm a huge fan. | ||
| I love your work. |