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#70: Sep 29- Oct 3, 2015

Today, Dan tells Jordan about the 13th (13th?) installment in his investigation into what happened to get Alex Jones to team up with Team Trump back in 2015. In this leg of the hunt, nothing really changes about Alex's feelings about Trump, but he does seem to throw a considerable amount of his weight behind another nationalist strongman, namely Putin. This leads Dan into a sea of rampant speculation.

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alex jones
14:27
d
dan friesen
01:00:56
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jordan holmes
33:45
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joe biggs
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Speaker Time Text
alex jones
Andy in Kansas, you're on the air.
Thanks for holding.
unidentified
Hello, Alex.
jordan holmes
I'm a first-time caller.
unidentified
I'm a huge fan.
I love your work.
alex jones
I love you.
dan friesen
Hey, everybody.
Welcome back to Knowledge Fight.
I'm Dan.
jordan holmes
I'm Jordan.
dan friesen
We are a couple dudes who like to sit around, drink novelty beverages, and talk about Alex Jones.
jordan holmes
There is a twist to that, though.
dan friesen
One big one.
jordan holmes
Yes.
How long are we going to do this bit for?
dan friesen
Never again.
jordan holmes
Never again?
This is the last time we're doing this?
unidentified
This is it.
jordan holmes
Is it because we can never actually make it to the end of the bit?
dan friesen
Enjoy this while it lasts, because we're never doing it again.
I know a lot about Alex Jones.
jordan holmes
And I don't know anything about Alex Jones.
dan friesen
Today we are going to be doing another investigation episode, Jordan.
We're going to go back to 2015.
Sweet!
jordan holmes
I'm in.
dan friesen
Before we get to that, why don't you tell us what we have for a beverage?
jordan holmes
We'll be drinking Farmer's Aloe Vera Artificially Strawberry Flavored Drink.
dan friesen
I don't want to put too fine a point on this, but I smelled it before we started the broadcast, and I thought it kind of smelled a little bit like stomach acid.
jordan holmes
Oh, this is going to be brutal.
So here we go!
Ingredients list.
Water.
Next ingredient, aloe vera juice.
dan friesen
I regret to...
jordan holmes
Following ingredient, aloe vera gel.
dan friesen
Oh, I'm done.
This is not a liquid.
jordan holmes
This is not?
dan friesen
This is another coconut juice situation.
There are things in there, my friend.
You know what?
jordan holmes
It actually tastes pretty good.
It's the chewing of it that makes things difficult.
dan friesen
You fucking asshole!
You brought us back to this terrible place wherein we've got to chew liquids.
jordan holmes
It was your day, and that means it's your fault.
dan friesen
It is.
jordan holmes
I had to get them, so you get the punishment.
dan friesen
Fair enough.
But people who should not be punished, Jordan.
jordan holmes
God damn it, I love your transition.
dan friesen
I'd like to give a shout-out to a couple of our new donators.
Welcome to Policy Wonkery.
Thank you for donating.
Heather?
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
dan friesen
We appreciate it.
Welcome aboard.
jordan holmes
Wonderful.
Come on board.
dan friesen
The water's fine.
Well, not that water.
jordan holmes
No, not this.
dan friesen
Not this aloe vera water.
jordan holmes
It's probably good for you.
dan friesen
Probably.
jordan holmes
Heather, try Farmer's Aloe Vera as your first policy wonk action.
dan friesen
In case your insides are sunburned.
You need to drink some aloe vera.
It's right there.
Also, I'd like to give a shout-out to our other new donator.
What's up out there, John?
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
dan friesen
Welcome aboard.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much, John.
dan friesen
If you would like to become a policy wonk yourself, you can do so by going to our website, knowledgefight.com, and clicking the Support the Show button.
And, yeah, it'd be great.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it would be great.
dan friesen
So, Jordan, would you like to start out the show with an out-of-context drop from Alex Jones?
jordan holmes
I think I would.
dan friesen
Sometimes we don't do a good enough job doing these out-of-context drops.
We?
unidentified
Hey.
Hey.
This is Sandra Bullock's Nazi all over again.
dan friesen
I gotta get away from you on this.
jordan holmes
Fired.
Understood.
Understood.
dan friesen
That's fair.
jordan holmes
Last opening bit, last time I'm on the show as well.
dan friesen
Sometimes I do not find something that's great in terms of an out-of-context drop from Alex.
jordan holmes
Sometimes there aren't things that are great.
dan friesen
That's true.
So today, to make up for it, I have two.
Here is the first one where Alex, you know, he's a religious dude.
jordan holmes
Okay.
alex jones
I pray many times a week.
I wouldn't say every day, but four or five times a week.
And it seems to help me.
dan friesen
Very, very uninterested in prayer.
jordan holmes
Why would you only do it four or five times?
Also, why are you announcing it?
Has he ever read the Bible?
dan friesen
Of course not.
jordan holmes
Did you know that Jesus said all kinds of shit about how you should pray in a closet and you should never let anybody know?
dan friesen
Yeah, because it's boastful.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it's pious bullshit that the Pharisees used to do.
And this is why we got into all the trouble we did.
dan friesen
And just because he's religious humble bragging about, like, I don't pray every day.
That doesn't make it better.
Yeah, what is that supposed to be?
Also, for someone who screams on air for hours a day about how, like, you gotta get with Jesus!
They're trying to kill all the Christians!
jordan holmes
Hey, let me tell you something, Dan.
Do you know what his real prayer is?
The show.
dan friesen
Yeah, that's your point.
jordan holmes
The show is a four-hour prayer to God.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
And whatever God that is that he's praying to, I'm happy to know he's there.
dan friesen
I hope that God, that unspecified God, appreciates it.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
So here's the other out of context drop from Alex Jones.
alex jones
It's as Americana as you can get.
It's like a royal flush of Americana.
Both sides of my family, chickeningly Americana.
If there was American royalty, I'd be it, folks.
unidentified
No!
dan friesen
Wow.
jordan holmes
A sickening level.
dan friesen
Sickening.
jordan holmes
Sickening level of Americana.
dan friesen
So much Americana.
jordan holmes
That is the vestigial twin speaking out.
It is a sickening...
That's a tacit admission that America's history is fucking horrifying.
dan friesen
Or just a whole cloth type lie.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
But be that as it may, I would like you to keep both of those out of context drops in your mind as we go along.
unidentified
Oh!
dan friesen
Both the Alex Jones doesn't pray every day, but...
Kind of makes him feel good.
Not as good as calling the Pope a devil worshiper, of course, as we've learned.
That makes him feel real good.
And the other, that he is American royalty, and both sides of his family are straight flush, royal flush Americana.
jordan holmes
Did he go to Ancestry.com, or how do we know this?
dan friesen
I think his CIA dentist father probably just told him some bullshit.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that sounds about right.
dan friesen
The sixth smartest boy in Texas grows up to be a CIA dentist.
Who gives birth to the world's most bullshit crap artist.
jordan holmes
God, that is a Dan Brown novel.
It's so close.
dan friesen
It's too bizarre to be real.
But somehow it's wonderful, except that it's real.
So, Jordan, today we're going to be going over the period of September 29th to October 2nd in 2015.
As you know, this is an investigation in order to better understand why the fuck did Alex Jones sign up with Donald Trump.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
And so far, it's unclear.
jordan holmes
Question one.
Did he pay his taxes?
How are we on the third quarter?
dan friesen
Oh, I mean, the third quarter...
jordan holmes
Or the start of the fiscal year, I suppose.
dan friesen
The fiscal year starts on October 1st.
So, we're not...
Who knows?
Who knows?
This is unclear.
You're asking that because if you haven't listened to all the episodes, Alex Jones threw a 28-hour live broadcast in order to make a million dollars in the money bomb, suspiciously a week before the end of the fiscal year.
jordan holmes
Odd.
dan friesen
Odd.
jordan holmes
Very strange.
dan friesen
Very strange timing.
So other than that, he doesn't support Trump yet.
He's been going back and forth for the better part of three months now with the, I like what he's saying, but I don't trust him.
jordan holmes
Roger Stone has not yet arrived.
dan friesen
He has not.
However, we've worked out the timeline a little better.
And Roger Stone left the Trump campaign after the first debate.
Because, as he says, Trump got into that war of words with Megyn Kelly.
And there was a lot of backlash.
Things were getting distracted from the core principles of the campaign.
jordan holmes
Which is what?
What?
Which is what?
dan friesen
I don't know.
jordan holmes
What were the core principles?
dan friesen
It seems like fighting with Megyn Kelly is right in line.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I was going to say.
dan friesen
So Roger Stone left the campaign.
jordan holmes
That may be the only core principle.
dan friesen
I told you this earlier, and I want to be really clear that this is bizarre, and it has to mean something.
Maybe.
I don't know.
Roger Stone left the campaign in the beginning of the second week of August.
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
Around August 8th, August 10th or so.
That was when the debate was, the first debate.
Right.
Alex Jones, within a week of that, does his pivot on Donald Trump.
jordan holmes
On not saying shit about Donald Trump.
Not on...
dan friesen
Before that point, he'd been talking about how Donald Trump was a predator, he was mobbed up, he wasn't really rich, he was the front man for a consortium on the East Coast.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Then he goes to Europe on a vacation, he comes back after the first debate, and within a couple days of being back in America, he says, I'm gonna give Trump a chance.
I'm not saying I'm supporting him, I'm gonna give him the benefit of the doubt.
And it was all, if you recall, predicated on the idea that he said something negative about Hillary Clinton.
Yes.
unidentified
Which, of course, he had already done in the past.
dan friesen
Right.
unidentified
So it seems superficial and probably means something that Roger Stone was...
jordan holmes
It could mean something that we don't have a proof.
We don't have proof.
dan friesen
No.
jordan holmes
We do have suspicious timing.
dan friesen
It's an interesting piece of the puzzle.
And I don't think we've ever made that clear on the show, so I wanted to do that.
But now here we are.
I mean, that was in August.
Now we're at the end of September.
And still, he hasn't committed to Trump, although he has had Diamond and Silk, the very pro-Trump vloggers.
He's had them on.
They're basically just Trump pitchmen.
Pitch women, as it were.
So it's very unclear.
And I'll tell you what.
We're not going to learn anything about his position on Donald Trump today.
jordan holmes
Of course not.
dan friesen
He doesn't do anything in this...
jordan holmes
Period.
unidentified
What does he do?
dan friesen
Well, I'll tell you what he does.
jordan holmes
All right.
Now that seemed a little bit canned.
unidentified
Yeah.
What does he do, Dan?
dan friesen
I'll tell you this.
He talks a lot about Russia in this stretch from September 29th to October 2nd.
jordan holmes
A lot about Russia.
dan friesen
Yeah.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
So he takes off America the whole campaign, the most important thing happening in America at the time, to then be like...
How about Russia, guys?
You like that place, right?
dan friesen
Well, if he talks about the campaign at all, it's in passing, and I don't recall any real meaningful discussion of it at all.
jordan holmes
No substance.
dan friesen
Nothing.
But here's how he starts things out on the 29th.
alex jones
There is a Drudge Report headline, New World Order Putin Outsmarts Obama.
And I have been scanning over the editorial piece.
Out of the New York Post, and I agree with part of it, but not with some of the other parts.
And at the bottom of the hour, I'm going to go over some of this article claiming that Obama's naive, Obama's from the 1950s, Obama's trying to be friendly to Russia, and Russia is being decisive and knows what it's doing.
Russia is on the verge of economic collapse.
Russia is under massive economic warfare.
Russia is surrounded by al-Qaeda forces funded by the West.
Russia is fighting for its life and has continued to put its hand out to the West.
But if you look at the photo, it's Obama trying to shake the hand of Putin, and it looks as if Putin is refusing.
When it's Russia that's been thrown out of the G8, it's Russia that's been thrown out of the G20.
dan friesen
You know why?
alex jones
It's Russia that is seeing oil prices brought down to bankrupt them.
dan friesen
You know why?
alex jones
And by no means is Russia some sweetie cake, perfect pantheon of grace and innocence and law-abiding love.
But compared to the annual American New World Order technocratic, eugenics-based, transhumanist world government pushers, Russia is just good old-fashioned...
jordan holmes
Americana.
alex jones
Mafia-style government.
unidentified
Wait, did he just say positively?
jordan holmes
Yes.
Russia is good old-fashioned mafia-style government.
dan friesen
Yep.
jordan holmes
You know what?
You gotta give it to...
In Chicago?
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
When the mafia ran things...
unidentified
Smooth.
jordan holmes
At least it got done, right?
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
A lot of people got hurt.
dan friesen
Yeah, it does.
jordan holmes
Maybe.
dan friesen
Which Alex is totally fine with.
jordan holmes
Allegedly.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Maybe a few journalists disappeared.
dan friesen
So if you want to break down that clip, that's astoundingly pro-Russia.
jordan holmes
Really crazy pro-Russia.
dan friesen
That's troublingly pro-Russia.
He's not discussing any of the reasons that sanctions exist.
He's not discussing any of the reasons they got thrown out of the G8.
jordan holmes
Not important.
They're the ones who got thrown out.
That's what's important.
The why is not important.
dan friesen
And you see how he conveniently gets around having to deal with any of those issues by over-demonizing the imagined group, the globalists.
He turns them into literal, the most evil things in the world, and by comparison, Putin's pretty good compared to that.
That's what you would want to do if you were trying to defend a terrible person.
You would make the alternative even worse.
That's the best way to do it.
jordan holmes
Look, Hitler had a few bad ideas.
He says the same thing about Hitler!
But he wasn't as bad as the literal devil.
dan friesen
Well, but he says about Hitler that he got set up by the globalists.
And that the globalists were behind the entirety of World War II.
That Hitler, he was a bad guy.
jordan holmes
He was a bad guy.
dan friesen
Look, he did some bad things, but he got set up.
jordan holmes
Look, Germany was no paragon of, you know, free speech or anything like that.
unidentified
Sure.
jordan holmes
It was good old-fashioned, autocratic-style dictatorship.
dan friesen
Which you can take a little bit of over here and there.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
Americana.
dan friesen
So that's troubling.
I find that clip very troubling.
jordan holmes
It's weird.
dan friesen
It's not good.
And I also want to point out, just real quick, It's very interesting to me the way he will eventually co-opt that sort of rhetoric when he's getting going defending Trump.
Like, he says, you know, Trump's not perfect, but, you know.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Better than the globalists.
dan friesen
He does the same sort of rationalization that he does for historical revisionism about Hitler.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Or for current revisionism about Putin in order to defend Trump.
That's very not good.
jordan holmes
Whatever it is he likes.
Even if it's the worst thing in the world, he will give up any one of his principles, throw them right out the window, and then make up a reason that the globalists are worse.
dan friesen
Absolutely.
jordan holmes
That's his game plan.
dan friesen
Basically.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
So, I don't know.
That stuck in my craw a little bit, but not quite as much as this next clip.
I'd like to say that this series of two clips, first one, it's a shot.
Second one, chaser, baby.
jordan holmes
Quick question.
How did Putin outsmart Obama?
By not shaking his hand?
dan friesen
No, by attacking al-Qaeda in Syria.
By attacking Syria.
Bombing Syria.
jordan holmes
I feel like that's not outsmarting anybody.
dan friesen
No.
This whole stretch, there's going to be a lot about Putin being a genius and the good guy in Syria.
jordan holmes
Oh, of course.
dan friesen
And how all the people...
jordan holmes
You know that guy propping up the dictator who is gassing and murdering his own people?
That guy?
dan friesen
Well, no.
It was the globalists who gassed the people, according to Alex.
unidentified
Oh, okay.
dan friesen
According to Alex and, conveniently, Russian propaganda.
jordan holmes
Crazy.
dan friesen
Yeah, weird.
jordan holmes
I can't imagine how those two are working in concert.
dan friesen
Yeah, weird.
There's a lot of overlap that is not shared by the rest of the world.
Interesting.
jordan holmes
Not even like your Drudge Report or anything like that.
dan friesen
No, no.
jordan holmes
Oh, were they doing that too?
dan friesen
Yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
I remember everybody did the...
dan friesen
I want to be clear.
I don't know what was going on with the Drudge Report in 2015, but I do know that some of these narratives have been repackaged in present day and that Drudge and Breitbart have been on the same tip.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Well, I'm just saying that that was in 2015 because I remember a bunch of people going on...
Talk shows at the time because the party line was, look at how much smarter, look at how much stronger Putin is than Obama.
Because they had to attack Obama somehow.
dan friesen
That was just an attempt to cuck out Obama.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
It wasn't like full on support of Putin.
It was just like, wish we had a strong dictator like him.
dan friesen
And we've got some clips about that whole issue that we'll get to eventually.
And we'll see where you think it lands on that spectrum.
unidentified
Okay.
dan friesen
Of the trying to cuck out Obama.
Or actually supporting Putin.
And we'll see.
But first, here's a shot, and then we'll get to the chaser.
jordan holmes
All right.
alex jones
And so folks engaging in concealed carry have been protecting society and lowering crime rates, but open carry has been actively promoting the idea that our guns aren't illegal and have been showing the sheeple that and countering the brainwashing.
And it's just as important of a civil rights, human rights, God-given move as Rosa Parks sitting at the front of the bus or folks trying to eat at lunch counters where they've been told blacks wouldn't be served.
It is just as epic, just as seminal, just as important.
dan friesen
Yeah, man.
How do you like that?
jordan holmes
Just like the Homerian Odyssey.
So is...
Carrying a gun into a public place.
dan friesen
You gotta walk around with guns, and that's exactly the same as people standing up for the dignity of a race.
unidentified
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
Oh, and not only dignity, just survival.
jordan holmes
Equal rights, and so on and so forth.
dan friesen
Yeah, not being fire-hosed in public.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
What have you.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Positive stuff.
unidentified
Right, but that's the same as walking around with your gun.
jordan holmes
The thing that boggled my mind was right before that when he's like, concealed carry people have been protecting society this entire time.
Like weird Batman.
dan friesen
Hey, you're a dum-dum.
Fair enough!
Every time you're walking around in public, the only reason you're not constantly getting shot is because the people who would be shooting you are afraid that someone else in your surroundings probably has a gun.
That keeps the bad guys at bay.
The concealed carry people are protecting society through the implied threat that anyone could have a gun.
jordan holmes
Oh, well, you know what?
That makes sense.
dan friesen
Yeah, totally.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
Totally.
jordan holmes
Well, it's like when you send the bat signal up, you know, even if you don't know, you know, you don't know if the Batman is coming for you.
dan friesen
No.
jordan holmes
You may be trying to hijack a car, right?
Right.
But you see that bat signal, they're like, oh shit, I better not hijack this car.
dan friesen
That's totally...
That's a perfect analogy.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it's perfect.
dan friesen
Also...
jordan holmes
Makes perfect sense.
We live in a comic book.
unidentified
We kind of do.
dan friesen
I would love if in the Batman universe they just had a couple podcasters.
Write us in!
jordan holmes
Let me tell you something about vigilante justice.
I think it's a bad idea.
And we're going to find out.
We're going to go through an investigation of Bruce Wayne's childhood to figure out exactly when he became the Batman.
dan friesen
Do a six-hour episode on Bruce Wayne.
jordan holmes
Oh, we would crush it.
dan friesen
So the other thing I'd like to say is that I don't believe that evidence suggests that we have a history of...
Abusing people who have guns in this country.
I further don't believe that you're born with a gun.
I don't think that...
You get what I'm saying?
The difference between civil rights is something you're born with.
Being a part of a group you don't have a choice about.
And with Alex having a gun, it's really just...
You like guns a lot.
jordan holmes
God made me with a gun.
Whether it be in my hand or in my heart.
Dan, do you remember that parable?
From Jesus.
dan friesen
I remember when Alex talked about it.
jordan holmes
You know the Jesus parable, right?
So, Jesus goes out into the desert for 40 days and 40 nights, right?
He's tempted by the devil, but only on night one, because he'd get his kneecap blown out.
That's just the story, right?
dan friesen
Yeah, he's got a sawed-off shotgun.
He takes him out.
Bought it from a survivalist.
jordan holmes
What else do you do to demons in the desert?
dan friesen
So anyway, I told you that was the shot, and here's the chaser.
alex jones
And there was a lot of my family that was against the Civil War in Texas.
Some of them were neutral and went further west.
Others joined the Confederacy.
dan friesen
Interesting.
Okay.
Well, there we go.
jordan holmes
I'm glad that he's prouder, maybe, of the people who were neutral.
dan friesen
Maybe.
jordan holmes
Some of them were neutral, although there is a little bit of that regret in his voice.
Some of them were giant pussies and they went west.
dan friesen
Well, the fact that we have to wrestle with...
Which group he admires more.
jordan holmes
That speaks volumes.
Not a good sign.
dan friesen
I mean, okay.
Alex, you have a family lineage and present behavior pattern of someone who believes in the Confederacy.
You don't get to fucking say you're like Rosa Parks just because you have a gun.
jordan holmes
No, no, no.
A lot like Rosa Parks.
dan friesen
You dick.
jordan holmes
Just like whenever the...
Look, say what you want.
dan friesen
I will.
jordan holmes
The South...
Succeeding from the Union is very similar to Rosa Parks going to the front of the bus.
It's the same thing.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
It's the same thing.
dan friesen
Okay.
jordan holmes
Now...
dan friesen
I don't even have the energy to do this.
jordan holmes
Admittedly, at the time, Rosa Parks would have been a slave.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
So that doesn't help.
dan friesen
No.
unidentified
But...
dan friesen
Does the bus have a gun?
Anyway.
jordan holmes
The bus is shaped like a gun.
dan friesen
I like that.
jordan holmes
It's like a Magic School Bus situation.
That would be an amazing episode of the Magic School Bus.
dan friesen
That would be great.
jordan holmes
Where they teach you about gun safety.
dan friesen
Miss Frizzle just gets into a bus shaped like a Glock.
So, this next clip is really funny to me.
I hope it's funny to you.
It is Alex Jones trying not to get mad and failing.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
And it's all so fake.
unidentified
Oh, boy.
jordan holmes
It's awesome.
Was Heidi and Spencer there?
dan friesen
No, but I do believe that it ends with an ad.
alex jones
I'm gonna not blow up right now.
jordan holmes
Okay, cool.
Then we don't have to worry about it.
alex jones
This is not an act that I'm about to really blow up in.
I gotta get control of my temper right now because...
jordan holmes
Nothing is more an act!
alex jones
It's not healthy to get this angry, but I mean, how...
Stupid is the public.
How geopolitically, culturally, religiously ignorant are you people?
And I'm not talking about our regular listeners.
jordan holmes
Good save.
alex jones
So, here's what's happened to Obama.
Obama is the politically correct, trendy frontman.
That's the new religion of global government is political correctness.
And political correctness is whatever the new correctness is this month, this week, today.
dan friesen
So that's interesting.
I'm going to pause it there before he actually ends up getting mad, because I want to discuss that a tiny bit.
The political correctness stuff that he generally complains about now is, I mean, one of the big things is trans acceptance and that whole campaign that people are on.
And he thinks of political correctness as whatever the globalists are telling you to accept now.
And I think that he is an idiot.
Because people have been discussing trans rights for 50 years.
jordan holmes
We do have a lot of evidence to prove that he is an idiot.
dan friesen
Right, but in this particular case, this isn't political correctness.
This is something that people have been on the vanguard of for a really long time, and now it's starting to make more inroads.
People are starting to realize that the argument...
jordan holmes
Yeah, what I hear all the time with the people who rail against political correctness is they think it means you're not allowed to say something.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
Which is insane, right?
Like, it's not that we don't want you to say the N-word.
It's that you shouldn't feel like it's important to say the N-word.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
You shouldn't feel like all of the things that the N-word means.
That stuff is still in you, whether or not you say it.
dan friesen
That's true.
jordan holmes
The point of political correctness isn't to monitor your speech, but it's to try and keep you from being the horrible monster who says those things.
dan friesen
To some extent, yeah, but even beyond that, because I think that's...
A little highbrow and a little, like, heady.
I think on another level...
jordan holmes
I apologize, dude.
alex jones
No, I...
jordan holmes
I don't want to get heady on this podcast.
dan friesen
Alex wouldn't understand that.
But, like, what I'm saying is, on another level, it's really just, like, it's not banned.
It's just, you shouldn't do that.
Like...
jordan holmes
Political correctness is just don't be a dick.
dan friesen
More or less.
jordan holmes
It's not some sort of magical law.
It's just don't be a dick to people.
Be thoughtful about what you say.
dan friesen
The way that Alex would present that is they're banning me from being able to say the N-word.
You can say it all you want.
You can probably say it on your show.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
I think people would love it if you did.
jordan holmes
I'm sure they would.
dan friesen
There's a section of your audience that's like, why won't he say it?
jordan holmes
A huge section.
It's a very small Venn diagram space that doesn't have them.
dan friesen
But he would present it as, this word is banned, this word is outlawed.
I mean, Milo Yiannopoulos was on the show yesterday.
jordan holmes
Okay, how about he dies?
dan friesen
Well, yeah, but he was saying that his book got banned.
His book didn't get banned.
unidentified
No.
dan friesen
Simon and Schuster or whatever just said, we don't want to do this.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
You're an asshole.
You keep advocating for pedophiles on prominent podcasts.
jordan holmes
Probably not good.
dan friesen
But I will say, I texted you about this and you were really mad at me.
Milo Yiannopoulos is really charming on Infowars.
unidentified
No.
dan friesen
Because everyone else has no personality.
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
He was calling Glenn Beck a queer.
jordan holmes
That's not.
Better.
That doesn't make me feel better about this.
dan friesen
In the moment, it was pretty...
I let out a little laugh.
Okay.
jordan holmes
When you live in the muck, Dan, you become more desensitized to this bullshit.
dan friesen
Well, and the spectacle of it, just like Alex Jones has this guy on his show and they're just like gay bashing Glenn Beck.
It's so weird.
jordan holmes
I don't like that.
dan friesen
It's so weird.
jordan holmes
I want to be...
I also don't want to die on the hill defending Glenn Beck.
You know what I'm saying?
dan friesen
No, totally.
jordan holmes
I think it's wrong, but this one, you guys get this one.
I'm not going to start shit there.
dan friesen
I would also like to be totally clear that I'm laughing at the absurdity and novelty of it, less the gay bashing aspect.
jordan holmes
No, no, no.
I got that.
dan friesen
But be it as it may, we won't be talking about that, because who needs to give those ding-dongs more attention?
jordan holmes
Thank Christ.
dan friesen
Anyway, here's Alex trying not to get mad.
alex jones
It's just total cultural Marxism directly out of the Stalin era and the Lenin era and the Soviet Union where it's just whatever they say this week, you better repeat it exactly as they said it or you're going to a forced labor camp.
One of Hillary's fun camps.
But the military's heating up, getting ready, gearing up.
On record, army.mil.
Just type in civilian inmate labor camp program.
Emergency Centers Establishment Act, Resettlement Army Manual.
dan friesen
Alex is misrepresenting all of these documents.
You can go find them very easily.
It's mostly stuff about best practices for foreign theaters and stuff like that.
If you have to intern large populations, it's very boring.
But be that as it may.
alex jones
Social security numbers, how to process you and your family, how to break up the political leaders, how to put the leader men in another camp, how to helicopter us out for torture.
And quote, re-education?
jordan holmes
That sniff is a lie.
alex jones
And those commies are going to be in there, boy, and they are going to just have their way with us.
It's going to be hellish.
Of course, we're not planning to go to those.
We're ready for you, trash.
We're ready for you, scum.
You filthy, degenerate maggots.
We know exactly who you are.
You think you're going to get in a fight with us?
It's going to be a cakewalk?
You've taken our restraint as weakness?
You've taken our kindness as weakness?
You're going to find out.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
The noted kindness from you.
alex jones
This just hits me and I get angry.
It's so sick to watch reality twisted and inverted and turned sideways and just spun to hell.
dan friesen
Frustrates me, too.
alex jones
God help me.
God help me be calm.
Anyways.
jordan holmes
Oh, well, that solved it.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
He asked God for help being calm, and then he became calm.
dan friesen
Yeah, and that's one of his...
jordan holmes
I now believe.
dan friesen
That's one of his three for the week.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
That's his little prayer.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
How does he count them?
dan friesen
I just don't think you should be a broadcaster, quite frankly, if you can't control your emotions.
And I'm not saying that Alex should be off the air.
jordan holmes
You're saying that I should be off the air?
dan friesen
No, but he's obviously faking these outbursts.
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
dan friesen
And stuff like that, so he can control his emotions.
But what he's presenting is a mentally unwell person.
It's really bad.
It's really complicated.
Anyway, I want to get back on track here.
I want to get back on track with this next clip.
Here's some more talk about Putin.
alex jones
And that's the key.
And that's why Putin is now the main leader of the world.
jordan holmes
Ah, no!
alex jones
Because compared to our leaders, Putin is moral.
And Putin tells the truth.
unidentified
What?
alex jones
Over and over again, and the whole world sees that.
unidentified
To whom?
dan friesen
The whole world sees that.
jordan holmes
To whom does he tell the truth?
dan friesen
He's mostly talking about...
jordan holmes
He's moral.
He's moral.
Dan...
Describe for me a code of morality that allows for literally any of Putin's actions.
dan friesen
If journalists talk shit about me, it's ethical for me to kill them.
jordan holmes
Alright, hide 50 at least billion dollars that you siphoned from your people who as...
As Alex noted, Russia is in an economic crisis.
It's a good thing that all the oligarchs have all of the money.
That way they have the power to kick out the globalists.
Admittedly, they are in that stage of the Protocols of the Elders of Zion that would put them past that level.
Right?
dan friesen
Somewhat.
jordan holmes
Like Putin executed the Protocols of the Elders of Zion pretty much to perfection, right?
dan friesen
I don't know.
jordan holmes
Like, the old Soviet Union breaks down, he rides to populist wave, and then becomes the autocratic dictator, and his oligarch friends.
Like, isn't that the playbook?
dan friesen
It's kind of the dream.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
It works!
jordan holmes
Unfortunately, the Jews weren't involved.
dan friesen
They're in play.
So this, I mean, as Russian citizens, you know?
unidentified
Oh, that's true.
dan friesen
There are plenty of Jews in Russia.
jordan holmes
That's true.
That's true.
I'm just saying that they didn't pull it off.
dan friesen
No, no, no.
It took a fucking spy.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
But be that as it may, in that clip...
jordan holmes
A moral spy.
dan friesen
Very moral.
And it tells the truth.
jordan holmes
Always.
Everybody knows this.
dan friesen
What Alex is mostly referring to there is that Putin had just given a speech about how we arm al-Qaeda and al-Nasra.
And all that shit.
We did.
So did they.
And because it matches Alex's narrative, which also conveniently matches Russian state television, Alex is like, well, he tells the truth.
And the whole world knows it.
And he's taking his international news pretty much specifically from pro-Russia sources.
jordan holmes
No, if Alex thinks Alex tells the truth, then he has to think Putin tells the truth.
dan friesen
Right, and that actually leads us to our next clip, which is kind of interesting.
As we know from our second episode, we did the Y2K episode.
We went over what Alex was doing on Y2K, which was disgraceful and fear-mongering to a crazy degree, saying that there were concentration camps being set up at airports, Austin was out of gas and water.
It was insanity.
jordan holmes
Which he could see from his studio.
dan friesen
He was reporting that there were multiple power plant meltdowns.
It was insane.
jordan holmes
Space Command.
He had a caller with unnamed sources who saw on CBS.
dan friesen
Also, the Department of Transportation is out.
jordan holmes
That's right.
They're everywhere.
dan friesen
The DOT is out on the streets.
jordan holmes
The Arkansas Department of Transportation is on Austin streets right now.
dan friesen
So, it was disgraceful.
But one of the things he said...
jordan holmes
Go back and listen to the Y2K episode.
It's a fantastic situation.
dan friesen
Yeah, all you late arrivers to the podcast, go back and check out the archives.
Anyway, one of the other things he says is that Putin has ascended to power and he resembles a demon.
That was one of his big things.
And that's because right around...
Yeah, I mean, it was New Year's Eve that he took over for Boris Yeltsin.
jordan holmes
Yes, that's right.
dan friesen
Yeltsin went out and Putin stepped in from the prime minister position to the president.
And has basically been in power since.
jordan holmes
Yeah, but wasn't there a time period where he quote-unquote stepped down and then let somebody else do it?
dan friesen
No, he became the prime minister again.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
And then became the president again.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I was going to say.
dan friesen
Just went back and forth, basically.
jordan holmes
He's not really worried about losing power.
dan friesen
No, but Alex was very anti-Putin in the Y2K episode, and there's a reason.
And Alex might have been wrong about that reason.
And he discusses it in this next clip.
alex jones
You know, I took the bait that Putin in 99 had bombed his own apartment buildings, and he still may have.
He was the vice president.
He needed to be able to attack the Chechens that were working with the West, trying to peel away several countries away from Russia.
I'm not defending the bombing of apartment buildings.
They did bomb apartment buildings that were working apartment buildings.
jordan holmes
Yeah, they were pretty much exactly doing that.
alex jones
So they weren't in the buildings when they did it.
Still terrible.
And Moscow police, or a suburb of Moscow police, caught FSB in a building with a plastic explosive, and then they said, oh, it's part of a drill.
So there's a good chance Russia has engaged in false flags.
That is, Vladimir Putin has when he was vice president.
But there's not total proof of that.
But I was told by a lot of other Russian experts that no, that was done to actually destabilize Russia and to try to take the fight away from Chechnya into Russia itself.
But that's not the effect it had.
But that's why I say we can't sit here and completely trust Vladimir Putin.
All I know is Putin's not trying to take my guns.
jordan holmes
True.
alex jones
All I know is Vladimir Putin is not trying to force vaccines on me or GMO.
jordan holmes
Yeah, he doesn't live here.
alex jones
All I know is Vladimir Putin is not trying to teach my seven-year-old how she can be a man.
He's not wearing a shirt, though.
All I know is that Vladimir Putin is not trying to make me drink fluoride.
Vladimir Putin is not funding ISIS and ISIL and all the rest of these Western-backed groups.
And Vladimir Putin is not trying to bring in a one-world government.
jordan holmes
Oh, he super is!
That's exactly what he wants.
He just wants to be at the top of it.
dan friesen
He doesn't want it to be collaborative.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
No, no, no.
He does not like the whole everybody getting together.
dan friesen
So one of the things I think is really fascinating there is that he demands so much less proof of things that would make Putin look bad than...
jordan holmes
Oh, well, he took the bait that Putin bombed his own apartment building.
dan friesen
He thought it was a false flag.
jordan holmes
He may still have.
dan friesen
He thought it was a false flag back then, and it still might be, but it's not 100% proven.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
He's never said that about anything.
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
That is a crazy level of, you know what, it wasn't Putin.
That's what he's saying in Alex Jones' language.
jordan holmes
Yeah, exactly.
dan friesen
Now, would you like to learn a little bit about those?
jordan holmes
Even if it was Putin.
dan friesen
Then it wasn't.
Oh, okay.
Do you want to know a little bit about the bombings?
jordan holmes
I think I would like to know a little bit.
dan friesen
Three apartment complexes were bombed in various areas in Russia, three cities, between the 4th and 16th of September in 1999.
Coincidentally, just a couple months before Vladimir Putin became the president.
It was a big part of the power grab because it was the excuse for the Second Chechen War, which was what Putin rode to power on.
unidentified
Odd.
dan friesen
Interesting.
There were 293 deaths, so Alex Jones is, you know, mostly weren't anybody in the building.
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
It's absurd.
Almost 300 people died.
Over 1,000 were pretty seriously or mildly injured along that spectrum.
Now, the thing that I think is more important is that multiple people who have come out and said that it was the Russian government and the FSB...
What the Secret Service in Russia turned into.
They've died, mysteriously.
Not all of them, but enough that it is very curious.
Alexander Livnenko, the guy who got poisoned with polonium, one of his big things was that it was Putin who did that, did these apartment bombings.
Also, Boris Berezovsky.
He also died under very mysterious circumstances.
There's one other dude whose name I'll never be able to pronounce.
They all died mysteriously.
jordan holmes
So you talk about this as though there's a pattern for Russia, specifically Putin, wherein people who challenge him or criticize him publicly wind up dying.
I need you to provide at least...
Sixty-four more examples of that.
dan friesen
I don't have sixty-four.
jordan holmes
Because I can only provide sixty-three other examples.
dan friesen
I don't have sixty-four.
jordan holmes
And sixty-three isn't enough.
Maybe Putin did them.
Maybe he did.
dan friesen
Well, take your sixty-three and add this one to it.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
So, an MP named Yuri...
There's no way.
jordan holmes
Oh, that's not good.
dan friesen
He filed two motions for a parliamentary investigation of the bombings.
jordan holmes
Ooh, that was a bad idea.
dan friesen
But the motions were rejected by the Russian parliament, the Duma, in March 2000.
An independent public commission to investigate the bombings was chaired by Duma deputy Sergei Kovalev.
The commission was rendered ineffective by the government's refusal to respond to its inquiries.
No, don't say this.
Don't say this.
The commission's lawyer, Mikhail Trebashkin, was arrested in 2003, convicted in a closed military court, and released from prison in 2007.
So he probably got some good treatment in there.
unidentified
Wow.
dan friesen
I would assume.
So, some of the circumstantial stuff that surrounds it, these mysterious deaths of dissenters, the commission being completely stonewalled, and then multiple people who were involved in the commission dying in very mysterious circumstances around that time, it doesn't look good for Putin's story.
jordan holmes
Now, this is a lot like if, like, instead of firing Mueller, you just killed all of his staff.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
All these lawyers on the team.
Yeah, exactly.
Just like, Mueller, still leading the investigation.
Unfortunately, everyone around him is dead, including his family.
He is doing his best.
But, yeah, we don't have good hopes.
Currently, no one knows where he is.
dan friesen
Yeah, I mean, it's not...
This is very with...
In the realm and the scope and the pattern of what happens when you dissent in Russia.
jordan holmes
It is weird because it's a lot like a movie.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
It's a lot like those spy movies where you think that that's made up, and yet in Russia they do kill people all the time, assassination-wise, clandestinely, and they try and make it look like it wasn't an assassination.
dan friesen
Well, I mean, in the case of Levinenko, the polonium, that's...
That's a message.
jordan holmes
Sometimes.
Sometimes there is a bullet in the forehead on Putin's birthday.
So that one probably wasn't a false flag there.
dan friesen
Yeah, but I mean, it's so intellectually dishonest for Alex to be like...
Hey, you know what?
I got suckered into this conspiracy theory that Putin did that, but...
jordan holmes
He's only right 99% of the time.
unidentified
Nobody's perfect.
jordan holmes
Nobody's perfect.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
Sometimes you get it wrong.
Sometimes you get Y2K wrong.
Sometimes you get Putin's false flag wrong.
Sometimes you get everything else he's ever said in his entire life wrong.
dan friesen
Every financial collapse prediction.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Gold is going to be $50,000 an ounce.
jordan holmes
Man, that would have been great if we were listening then and we knew it.
dan friesen
And that was reality.
jordan holmes
Yeah, exactly.
dan friesen
That would have been amazing.
jordan holmes
I know, right?
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
We could have put our very small amount of money into gold and become very rich.
dan friesen
We could have pooled our money and made $49,000.
Because was it like one grand or so for an ounce then?
So we could afford one grand, maybe, and not eat for a few weeks.
jordan holmes
Right, right.
dan friesen
Yeah, that's great.
Anyway, guys, that's troubling.
That's very troubling to me.
to hear this sort of pro-Putin rhetoric.
Yeah.
unidentified
Because even with his qualifications of things, it's still resoundingly pro-Putin.
dan friesen
Absolutely.
unidentified
The only reasonable position to take is looking at the prism of history, looking at the bombings in 1999, is to be, that was a pretext to go to war in Chechnya so you could have a power grab.
dan friesen
Yeah.
unidentified
That's essentially what happened.
jordan holmes
Very simple.
dan friesen
Very much so.
jordan holmes
And the fact that he even says, you know, like, maybe he still did it and just wipes that away immediately.
Like, even if he did do it, it wouldn't have mattered.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Because he likes Putin now.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
He's cool.
unidentified
That's it.
Yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
He's cool.
Problem solved.
dan friesen
So, Alex, after this, he takes a few calls.
He gets on the blower, and here are a couple calls that he takes.
alex jones
He wants to talk about Putin's speech.
Thanks for calling.
unidentified
Alex, he sounded so much like you.
If it wasn't for the translation on RT, that I would have thought you were on the stage.
dan friesen
That's not good.
So, Putin's speech sounds exactly like Alex.
jordan holmes
He said that very positively.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
That's not good.
Also, why was he watching RT?
dan friesen
I don't know.
There's probably a heavy overlap between his audience and people who...
Go and watch Russian media.
jordan holmes
Weird.
dan friesen
Well, it's the kind of thing that Alex encourages.
jordan holmes
Oh, that is true.
dan friesen
I mean, because he pitches narratives from Russian media.
jordan holmes
Well, because the American media isn't telling you the truth.
dan friesen
Right.
So if you're listening and you want to look into one of Alex's stories, or maybe it's something that's linked on Infowars.com, you want to go try and find the source.
You go and you end up finding an article in Sputnik or in RT or something like that.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
And then, you know, Alex is telling you this is the truth.
Everyone else is lying to you.
All of a sudden, you're going to associate Russian media with telling the truth.
jordan holmes
Because they're the ones who are telling you what Alex is telling you.
dan friesen
And the fact that everybody else disagrees is only more proof that you're onto the real source.
jordan holmes
And Putin spends as much time shirtless as Alex does.
dan friesen
It's true.
jordan holmes
Has a very similar body type.
Hair, a little bit different.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
But Alex may be wearing a wig, or Putin may be wearing a bald cap.
dan friesen
Any of these things could be possible.
Any of these things are true.
So he takes another call, and shockingly, also about Putin.
alex jones
Aaron, you're on the air.
Thanks for holding.
Go ahead.
unidentified
Hey, how's it going, Alex?
alex jones
Good.
unidentified
Hey, you know, I was just thinking about this.
You know, in the beginning of Putin, when he was first running his re-election campaign, he was running around with his shirt off, horsebacking.
Shooting guns up.
You know, just completely the man's man.
Everybody, you know, I'm a man, right?
alex jones
Yeah, that's clearly a ploy.
But they're promoting masculinity, being in charge, and having strong families.
The globalists here promote an effeminate Obama on purpose.
So what Putin's doing, I think it's healthy to have a John Wayne-style president.
unidentified
But what I'm getting at is they're doing it on purpose because Obama, what does he do?
He appoints a civilian gay person to head the Defense Department now, and he's completely demasculinating It's a complete program of ending the family as we know it and making Americans the most broke-back, servile, knock-kneed weirdos you can imagine.
That is incredibly homophobic.
dan friesen
Because what is he talking about there?
What is he talking about?
What's the plan?
Having a gay person be in an official position?
jordan holmes
Well, yeah, that's demasculantizing.
dan friesen
So there's a gay...
jordan holmes
Demasculantizing.
dan friesen
That means that there's a gay agenda, or at very least, gays are being used.
jordan holmes
There is a gay defense agenda, because he is...
Look, how...
alex jones
The defense department?
jordan holmes
If you're going to put anybody in the defense department, you want it to be gay people.
They have been defending other gay people for their entire existence.
dan friesen
It's true.
jordan holmes
They know what they're doing.
That's what I would suggest.
Also, maybe the other thing I would suggest is put somebody who's qualified who can do a good job in there, regardless of whether or not they have sex with anybody.
dan friesen
Wade, you want qualified people in office?
jordan holmes
Gross.
dan friesen
You sound like a globalist.
Turns out competence...
jordan holmes
Lock her up!
Lock her up!
dan friesen
It turns out globalists are big on competence.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
That's something that we now regret with a nationalist in office.
So that is...
jordan holmes
Well, Tillerson is...
He's doing a great job.
dan friesen
Did you notice...
jordan holmes
He's not there.
And neither is anybody else.
dan friesen
I just realized today, because I didn't...
I was kind of like...
Tillerson is one of those dudes who's like...
He fades into the background a little bit because there's so much swirling bullshit.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
But do you realize that that story came out about a couple years back, while he was in charge of Exxon, they broke sanctions with Russian banks and Russian companies?
jordan holmes
Of course!
dan friesen
Do you realize that he went on his little hiatus right after?
And that no one is like, you don't get to take breaks like this!
We don't have a state department!
What are you doing?
Right.
Anyway.
jordan holmes
Quiet, Dan.
dan friesen
Oh, my God.
unidentified
Quiet.
dan friesen
I'm so...
jordan holmes
We don't have a...
It's bananas.
We still just don't even have people working there.
dan friesen
No.
jordan holmes
I did a bit about this before the election actually happened, and Dan has rolled his eyes at me.
dan friesen
I think they could hear it.
jordan holmes
I think they could absolutely hear it, and now I shall go silent.
dan friesen
No, no, it's your best.
unidentified
No, no, no.
jordan holmes
I'm going to put the mic down, Dan.
How about you play a clip?
dan friesen
Ladies and gentlemen, come to the stage.
jordan holmes
No, I'm not going to do the bit.
The point was that he didn't want to...
Trump didn't want to be president.
He wanted to win president.
dan friesen
Right, right, right.
jordan holmes
He doesn't want to do the fucking job.
And neither does any of these other people.
unidentified
No.
jordan holmes
They want to get their money and they want to leave.
So, for Tillerson, why waste time and energy staffing the State Department?
All you really want is to siphon money and resources as much as you can.
dan friesen
And really, every single person that you bring in is a risk of them sort of cucking you out.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And doing their job.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
Getting in the way of...
The scams.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
So we're done with September 29th.
And my man, we are into October.
Because on the 30th, Paul Joseph Watson hosts.
And there's a really funny moment at the end of the 29th where Alex is like, I'm not coming in tomorrow.
He's not mad or anything.
He's just like, Paul Joseph Watson's going to host the whole show tomorrow.
I realize I've got to spend more time with my kids.
jordan holmes
Because they will be leaving soon.
dan friesen
I'm going hunting.
We're going hunting.
I haven't taken my kid hunting enough.
So they go hunting.
So we go now to October 1st.
Yes.
And on this episode, you might have thought that like, alright, 29th of September, he was in a weird mood.
He's going to go hunting with his kid.
It's going to fucking wash off him.
Everything will be back to normal when he gets back.
You might be thinking that.
unidentified
Right.
alex jones
All over the world, people know.
That America is no longer the good guys and they're saying Putin's the leader of the free world and that Putin's a hero and Americans all over the place, left and right, love Putin.
Putin's a billionaire oligarch with all sorts of shady connections and a strong man.
The difference is, though, he doesn't put fluoride in the people's water and he does have a breeding program so Russians don't go extinct.
He is trying to build up their civilization, but nevertheless, he is a strong man.
jordan holmes
That was a positive?
alex jones
I wouldn't call him the paragon of perfect behavior, but compared to the absolute abject filth that has hijacked our culture and society, he is good.
dan friesen
All you need to know there is, like, you can just ignore all the negative things he's saying because those aren't really even negatives to him.
jordan holmes
He's a strong man.
dan friesen
That's not a negative to Alex.
jordan holmes
He's a strong man.
dan friesen
Alex loves a strong man.
jordan holmes
He's a man, and he's strong.
dan friesen
He has shady connections.
Well, apparently that's not a problem for you.
You seem to get past that pretty easily.
jordan holmes
What strong man doesn't have shady connections?
dan friesen
That's a fair point.
You know, if you're going to be in the world, you're going to get your hands dirty.
jordan holmes
If you're going to be strong, you've got to make sure that you have killed at least one dog named Nank.
dan friesen
Absolutely.
jordan holmes
And Putin has killed at least three dogs named Nank.
dan friesen
So many Nanks in his past.
So, I mean, he's there.
He's back.
That's fucking...
jordan holmes
Also, he said that Putin has a breeding program.
Like, that was a positive.
He's like, he's gonna repopulate Russia with a breeding program?
dan friesen
Well, this is that sort of racist idea about other cultures outbreeding us, and that's going to be genocide by just population numbers.
It's something that David Duke and his ilk talk about all the time.
We talked about it on Alex's show, even.
Talking about how the birth rate among white people is way too low, and Africans and Muslims are outbreeding.
The white man, and eventually they're just going to overrun us due to numbers.
And I would argue on the one hand, that's, again, just projection.
Because it's like, well, if we had the numbers, that's what we did in the past.
So there's that.
jordan holmes
They're going to do it because we have it coming!
dan friesen
Yeah, because we did it already.
jordan holmes
Yeah, exactly!
dan friesen
I guess if you want to use historical precedent, that does make sense.
But at the same time, it's like...
We're not in feudal times anymore.
And most people are evolved enough to be like, I don't care what race I am.
I'm not joining a race group.
jordan holmes
God, you would hope so.
dan friesen
So anyway, Alex believes that Putin is encouraging the family and encouraging white breeding, which, great.
And that's going to defend Russia.
unidentified
I really don't like that.
dan friesen
But I mean, he never couches it that way.
He never says it.
But that's what he means.
jordan holmes
Yeah, of course it is.
dan friesen
Absolutely.
But the other thing is, he's like saying that sort of incredulously.
jordan holmes
Because if Alex says breeding program, what I hear is...
Putin is creating Russian chimeras.
That's what I hear.
dan friesen
Oh, sure.
jordan holmes
So that's why I was a little bit confused there.
dan friesen
I can't remember what show it's on.
We don't have any clips of it, but there's a lady who comes on and talks about how DARPA is creating human...
Not human, but animal machine chimeras.
jordan holmes
Oh, shit, yes!
dan friesen
So we got that.
Fuck yes!
But the other thing I wanted to point out in that clip is the incredulousness in Alex Jones' voice.
jordan holmes
Do you know what that means?
dan friesen
I do.
jordan holmes
That means Nock's coming back.
dan friesen
He is beyond machine repair.
But be that I submit, Alex is incredulous in his voice when he's saying, like, Putin is the leader of the free world?
Everyone is saying that Americans love Putin and he is great?
He's saying that in that sort of disbelieving voice.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Because he's reading that from Russian media, and he thinks that's what the world thinks, because Russian media is reporting that that is what the world thinks.
jordan holmes
Crazy.
dan friesen
So Alex Jones, he's responding to propaganda by making a second layer of propaganda on top of it.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
That achieves the same goal, quite frankly.
Because even though Alex is being incredulous about what he's reading on Sputnik and shit, he's still saying that he then goes through the talking points.
unidentified
He's the good guy.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
He doesn't want to put fluoride in my water.
Nonsense.
Nonsense.
Sorry.
Take a point.
jordan holmes
Yeah, you're at negative one.
dan friesen
All right.
So, this show also involves a very interesting field piece in this October 1st episode.
On this episode, Joe Biggs is out on the University of Texas Austin's campus because there is an anti-gun protest going on.
I have a good bit of information about this.
I know exactly what went on.
There was a move to allow concealed carry on campus at the University of Texas Austin.
Yeah.
unidentified
There were a bunch of people, students and professors, who were against this, and they started to try and block this legislation.
dan friesen
They tried to move against it because campus...
Full of guns is not a comfortable place for people to be learning.
jordan holmes
Wasn't this immediately following the...
What was it?
North Carolina?
That shooting there?
dan friesen
Well, a bunch of shootings have happened in the course of our investigation.
unidentified
West Virginia?
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's true.
dan friesen
And there's one in Oregon on October 2nd, I believe.
I can't remember if it's the first or the second.
jordan holmes
Right.
Oh, if only there were more guns.
dan friesen
Yeah, but be that as it may, Alex's position is that if you take away guns and don't allow guns on campus...
Then it is a safe place for bad people with guns to go.
They know that it's a soft target, and they can just shoot up people on school campuses.
And my argument to that is you should have, like, cops.
You should have campus cops who are armed and stuff like that, because that's official.
jordan holmes
I mean, my argument is everybody should have their guns taken away.
That's my argument.
dan friesen
This is where you and I are going to have to differ.
jordan holmes
I'm going to go hard on this one.
As I said, I've gone from the let's be reasonable to let's take their guns.
dan friesen
Did you ever see any fistfights in college?
jordan holmes
Did I?
Yeah.
No.
dan friesen
I did.
jordan holmes
I didn't go outside, though.
dan friesen
Oh, okay.
jordan holmes
I was very much against it.
dan friesen
I saw a lot of fistfights on campus.
I saw a lot of really heated fights.
I know that testosterone's flaring.
A lot of people are experimenting with drugs for the first time in their life.
The idea that people who are 18 to 20 on campuses, even older necessarily, I mean, people who are older students...
Who are maybe veterans coming back or something like that?
I know that they're a different situation than those kids that I'm talking about.
But at the same time, I still don't want them having guns.
But those young kids who are volatile and growing and full of new experiences, I really don't feel comfortable about the idea of them being armed and the off chance that they do get into a heated argument with somebody.
And maybe they get their ass kicked.
Now, boom.
jordan holmes
Well, not least of which...
dan friesen
You allow the opportunity to escalate anything.
jordan holmes
The thing that he thinks is that people walk around knowing that there is concealed carry, and so they feel like, oh, we're protected.
That is the complete opposite.
dan friesen
I don't feel that way at all.
jordan holmes
If you were on UT Austin's campus, and you knew there was concealed carry laws, how do you not kind of have in the back of your mind, like, does this person have a gun?
dan friesen
Yeah, totally.
jordan holmes
Is the person I'm talking to, do they have a gun right now?
Are you going to pat people down whenever they go into the fucking class?
Like, this is insane!
dan friesen
And imagine the situation you put professors in when you have to give bad news to students.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
If you fail them or they come to your private office hours, stuff like that.
You put them in an incredibly uncomfortable position where anybody could be armed.
And you know what?
People get thrown out of school for grades and stuff like that.
jordan holmes
Yeah, not for guns, though.
dan friesen
No.
But if you're allowed to have guns on campus, all sorts of...
Okay, so I wrote for my campus paper, and I got in trouble.
I believe I talked about this on the show once.
jordan holmes
Yeah, you got some death threats.
dan friesen
Well, that's not what I want.
That was another time.
One time I made a joke about Rosa Parks, about how when I was in junior high, all the cool kids sat on the back of the bus, so I don't know what the fuck she was complaining about.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
An obvious joke.
Obviously misrepresenting things for comedic intent.
This guy who was a member of the student government did not like me because I had written an article about him and his friends had used student funds in order to take a trip down to South by Southwest.
And they claimed that they were trying to find bands that could come get booked on campus.
I saw his pictures on Facebook.
jordan holmes
That's a great scam.
dan friesen
They were just drunk.
jordan holmes
That is a great scam.
dan friesen
And as an adult, I respect the game.
But at the same time, I had this campaign against the student government because I think that student government's stupid.
jordan holmes
Why is there?
dan friesen
It's so stupid.
But I uncovered that, and I wrote an article about it, and so he decided he was going to try and get me kicked out of school.
I wrote that joke about Rosa Parks, and based on that, that joke, he reported me to the Student Judicial Services.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
And I had to go have a meeting with a guy that was formal.
I got a confidential letter.
jordan holmes
That's great.
dan friesen
It was in an envelope marked confidential.
jordan holmes
That's great.
dan friesen
And so, of course, I fucked it up.
jordan holmes
You took a picture of it and put it everywhere.
dan friesen
Of course.
jordan holmes
Yeah, what are you talking about, confidential letter?
Fuck you.
dan friesen
I think I even wrote about it in my college.
jordan holmes
Yeah, of course you did.
How could they enforce a confidential?
It's a goddamn college!
dan friesen
Yeah, I don't agree to this letter being confidential.
jordan holmes
Yeah, you don't get to do that!
dan friesen
So I had to go and meet with the student judicial board, but it was just one guy.
And in that situation, had I been a crazy person, I could see that situation being very uncomfortable.
And I'm just one of a thousand people that that guy's had to meet with over the years.
There are a lot of people who do get into fights or get arrested for something.
Then they have to meet with the school judicial board that decides whether or not Because if you get kicked out of school and your mind is of a certain bent, that could be like someone taking away your life.
jordan holmes
Well, think about the places where guns aren't allowed, like courts.
dan friesen
Right?
jordan holmes
Do you know why?
dan friesen
Because they get heated.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Because people have a lot to lose, and if you're crazy, you could do something really stupid.
jordan holmes
Why would you...
If your argument is concealed carry makes everybody safer, they should be everywhere in court.
dan friesen
Just to put a button on it, I did not get kicked out of school.
I made a mockery of the proceedings, and the guy was like, you didn't do anything wrong.
I was like, I know.
jordan holmes
Yeah, you and me both, brother.
Then you fist bumped and you moved on.
dan friesen
But yeah, I agree with you.
jordan holmes
He was like, student government is dumb, right?
dan friesen
Amen.
So yeah, I think that there's...
Very good reason for especially public universities to not allow concealed carry.
And I think the arguments that we've made are not even as good as people who are in the activism world about it would make.
But anyway, here is the clip.
jordan holmes
I would actually rather have open carry than concealed carry.
Because then at least you'd know what fucking asshole had it gone.
dan friesen
Well, then we turn into the Deep Space Nine Millimeter video, which keeps coming up.
jordan holmes
Yeah, absolutely.
dan friesen
But be that as it may, here is the clip of Joe Biggs and Alex Jones talking about this.
alex jones
You're about to go to break.
I'm going to come back and finish up with you and go to calls.
But I notice I am hearing some cheering.
There are about ten people on the stage.
Flown in by Bloomberg, and they did find some UT idiots to come out, I guess, but some of them are pro-gunners and call for taking our guns, I guess.
joe biggs
Yeah, they're all screaming, gun-free UT, gun-free UT.
dan friesen
So they're showing video of, there's a sparsely attended protest and what have you, but Alex Jones says that they're flown in by Bloomberg.
jordan holmes
Wait, he just said, though, that it's UT Austin.
dan friesen
Yeah, but there's some UT idiots, but what he's talking about is people in the crowd.
jordan holmes
Oh, okay.
The speakers were flown in by Bloomberg.
dan friesen
That's a really interesting thing, and I can actually tell you that he's just making that up, because my dad is super involved in gun-free UT.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And he was not at this protest, but he's a part of the organization.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
I actually texted him.
I was like, hey, Dad.
You ever get any money from Bloomberg?
jordan holmes
Well, he couldn't tell you.
He got a classified letter.
Come on, man!
dan friesen
So, my dad is involved with this because he firmly believes, as I do too, that guns have no place on college campuses.
Except in the hands of professionals, let's say.
I'm talking about cops are okay to have guns wherever they are because that's part of their job.
But my dad is a part of that.
He is involved with the organization.
He assures me that no one has been flown out by Bloomberg at all.
And my dad, if you want to talk about him being a shill, go ahead.
Throughout his life, he's had a very consistent protest streak.
He has been very active in left-wing causes, let's say.
Back when we lived in Missouri, every single Wednesday, with a few exceptions when they were busy, my parents would go out and protest on the busiest corner in Columbia with about eight people, eight to ten people, standing around with honk for peace, no war in Iraq signs, every fucking Wednesday.
They'd do that.
They are the sort of people who are committed to goals, committed to causes, have principles, and stand by them.
He is a good example.
Of the people who are involved in Gun Free UT.
These are not Soros Bloomberg shills.
unidentified
No.
dan friesen
These are UT professors.
Who are deeply concerned about the idea of people walking around randomly with guns on campus.
So, fuck you, Alex!
jordan holmes
No, I've heard this year he's 7-0 with a 1.3 ERA, too.
He's on an impressive winning streak.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So, also, the other thing I want to talk about, but I need to get more information from my dad, is that...
So, Alex talks about how there are two people who got arrested at this protest.
Two counter-protesters got arrested.
And they make a big deal out of it.
They're saying that you don't have free speech and what have you.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I...
dan friesen
But they didn't get arrested.
They just got removed for trespassing because they were being disruptive.
You need a permit to protest on campuses.
That's pretty universal in college campuses in the United States.
Some campuses have specific places where it's a free-for-all, but they had a permit.
Like, Gun Free UT had a permit.
These dickholes that showed up didn't.
That's the difference.
jordan holmes
Shocker.
dan friesen
Yeah.
But what I need to get more information about is my dad was like, I wasn't actually at that protest.
I was busy, but...
The other protest, the next one, I was, I was a speaker at that protest, and he refers to it as the dildo protest.
So something went on.
jordan holmes
There we go.
You don't know what the dildo protest is?
dan friesen
No, but it's in Austin, and I know that Alex will bring it up when it happens, so once we get there, I'll call my dad and get to the bottom of it.
jordan holmes
You'll get the full story.
dan friesen
Dildo protest, coming up.
jordan holmes
Everybody concealed carry dildos?
Is that what it was?
dan friesen
I hope it is.
That's actually pretty good.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I don't mind that one at all.
dan friesen
No.
What I do mind is, after this, Alex is back on his bullshit and he wants to talk more about Russia.
alex jones
No, Russian TV says GMO's designed to sterilize you and that they're giving too many vaccines.
I know.
It's like Russia's turning into Infowars.
jordan holmes
Not good!
dan friesen
Not great.
Not great.
jordan holmes
And InfoWars is turning into Russia.
dan friesen
Yeah.
I think that he might not be able to tell which is which at a certain point.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
I think he sees the melding of the two, and in order to save face, he wants to be like, I'm the one who started it, they're following me.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, they're the ones coming to me, as opposed to...
I am now Putin's bitch by accident.
dan friesen
Which I think is probably how he's going to sell the Trump stuff.
I mean, you know, with him saying that Trump is an Americana sleeper cell and stuff like that, that is a way of Trump coming to him as opposed to him selling out for Trump.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Yeah, that's true.
dan friesen
I think that's kind of one of his big moves.
jordan holmes
And then, of course, he ties it together with the strong man.
It's always about the big, strong man.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So we have one more clip from August 1st, and then we'll get to August 2nd, which I think is fucking amazing.
But August 1st ends our coverage, at least.
Because he has a bunch of interviews, but I just don't really even fucking care.
Who do you have on here?
He had a guy named Joel Skousen on.
He's boring as hell.
I believe he has an interview with Peter Schiff.
jordan holmes
Okay, that lunatic.
dan friesen
Make my jack off motion here.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
But anyway, this next clip is fucking wild.
unidentified
Well, maybe you can get Tootin on and ask him.
alex jones
You know, it's funny you say that.
jordan holmes
Oh, no.
alex jones
We've gotten very close to getting Putin on.
The problem is I'd have to get on an airplane and go to Russia to do it.
I can get a sit-down interview probably with Putin.
But, I mean, he's just going to say what he's going to say.
I can sit there and play clips of him already saying it.
It'd be a nice stunt for me to pull, but I could have done an interview with Ahmed Denejid.
He wanted me to come interview him.
I'm not going to even say other people want me to come interview him.
It sounds insane, but anyways, go ahead.
dan friesen
It does sound insane.
So yeah, I mean...
jordan holmes
He could get a sit-down interview with Putin.
dan friesen
Yeah, totally.
jordan holmes
Why does he think he could get a sit-down interview with Putin?
dan friesen
I don't know, maybe he has...
jordan holmes
In what world does Alex get a sit-down interview with Putin?
dan friesen
Well, I mean, if he actually does think that he could get a sit-down interview, that...
That implies to me that he has connections.
jordan holmes
Some kind of contact with him.
dan friesen
Yeah.
But not directly.
jordan holmes
No, of course.
dan friesen
Some sort of indirect contact.
jordan holmes
Yeah, no, no.
There's no direct contact.
dan friesen
It's almost like maybe he's talking to Roger Stone off air a bunch.
And like Roger Stone has some sort of a connection to the Russian government.
Maybe he's accidentally slipping something like that.
I don't know.
It's weird.
jordan holmes
That's possible.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
But...
dan friesen
I'm not saying that definitely, but it's definitely worth speculating.
jordan holmes
Because even he says...
dan friesen
It's probably narcissism.
jordan holmes
Yeah, exactly.
He even says it would be a big stunt on my part, which means he wants to do it.
And he's such a huge star fucker that the idea of him...
He would get on a plane to Russia this instant.
If Putin actually sat down for an interview with him.
dan friesen
Oh, undoubtedly.
jordan holmes
Instant.
dan friesen
Undoubtedly.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
I mean, he was pissed that Megan Kelly...
jordan holmes
He went crazy for Heidi and Spencer Pratt.
dan friesen
He was pissed that Megan Kelly sat down with Putin.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
He was pissed that fucking Sean Hannity sat down with Julian Assange.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
He's like, those are scoops I should have got.
I'm the fucking best.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
I've got an audience bigger than theirs.
dan friesen
So now, Jordan.
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
I told you that October 2nd is amazing.
jordan holmes
You did tell me that.
dan friesen
And...
I'm just going to let Alex start the show off, and I think you'll see immediately why it's so awesome.
alex jones
You know, it hit me this morning.
I woke up at about 6 a.m. with a pounding headache, and I'll just be honest.
I'm not going to be a hypocrite here.
I'm not going to put on airs or lie.
I went out to see Billy Idol last night, and then I guess the crew was down there at a nearby establishment and heard I was there.
Joe Biggs, Joe Jennings, Darren McBreen, Marcus Morales.
And I have not had a lot to drink like that since I was in college, and they bought me a bunch of shots of, what was it?
unidentified
You should not be saying this on air.
alex jones
And I feel like my brain has been taken out with a melon baller right now.
But I think you're going to have a good broadcast today.
unidentified
Oh, man.
dan friesen
He's the worst.
alex jones
Oh my god, that's true.
jordan holmes
I actually respect that so much.
Just him going on there and just being like, guys, I am hungover as shit.
I've been doing a lot of shots of Jaeger.
I think we're going to have a great show.
dan friesen
That at the end, I think we're going to have a great broadcast.
So good.
That's just like Eddie.
He's trying to convince himself.
Yeah, exactly.
I think it's going to work.
jordan holmes
I wonder how the crew is doing.
Joe Biggs was there.
dan friesen
Joe Biggs actually has to come in and co-host the show with him because he's doing such a shit job.
jordan holmes
How does Joe Biggs do?
dan friesen
He's fine.
jordan holmes
He's fine?
dan friesen
He's a fucking soldier, man.
He can drink Jaeger.
That's no big deal.
Alex hasn't done this since college, which is a fucking lie.
jordan holmes
Well, I think he hasn't drunk this much Jaeger since college.
dan friesen
Certainly.
jordan holmes
I think he's had many Jaeger.
Many a bottle of Jack on a Tuesday.
dan friesen
Yeah, I have not touched the Demon Jaeger since weird night at the casino.
jordan holmes
Since last night.
I was buying you a bunch of Jaeger shots.
We're going to have a good broadcast, guys.
We're going to have a great show.
dan friesen
So, he doesn't.
He's not good.
What?
jordan holmes
Wait, what?
dan friesen
He's in terrible shape, and he's just doing weird rants, kind of, and then just not being able to handle his normal job.
And so, about ten minutes in, Joe Biggs comes in and sidecars the thing.
unidentified
Uh-huh.
dan friesen
Until he gets to...
jordan holmes
Ten minutes in?
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Oh, boy.
Because he accidentally would have told too much of the truth.
dan friesen
Maybe.
jordan holmes
I feel like that's more what it is.
dan friesen
Or, quite frankly, it does seem like the sort of thing where he could have just like, I quit.
That's true.
jordan holmes
He could have a rage quit.
dan friesen
I just gotta nap, you guys.
At any moment, he could have been like, let's go to break.
I'm done.
So have Joe Biggs in there just in case.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
It does feel like that sort of thing.
jordan holmes
He gets like, I'm done.
We're gonna have Joe Biggs host the rest of the hour.
And he doesn't leave.
Sits down on the floor and then rolls underneath the desk.
dan friesen
It seems like a perfect opportunity for him to be like, guys, I'll tell you what, whenever I'm hungover, I drink Childease.
That's their product to calm children.
unidentified
Oh, wow.
dan friesen
They have a supplement that calms babies.
jordan holmes
He's not going to do that.
He knows none of his supplements actually work.
dan friesen
I drink Pedialyte and call it Childease.
So, Alex is hungover as shit, but he still wants to try and do the news.
He wants to try and do his fucking job.
So here he is getting to today's top story.
alex jones
And that brings me, of course, to our top story today, ladies and gentlemen.
It's not that foreign troops from China, Iran, and Russia are piling into Syria to fight the United States of America and Europe bankrolling Al-Qaeda.
No, that's not our top story.
It's not our top story that was in the Associated Press, Reuters, the New York Times, just that I saw yesterday, with the State Department criticizing Russia.
And the Pentagon criticizing Russia.
And the Secretary of Defense criticizing Russia.
jordan holmes
So good.
alex jones
For bombing Al-Qaeda.
dan friesen
So he's misrepresenting that, but he's also, I mean, he's saying that the top story is all of these people are critiquing Russia and shouldn't be.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
He's getting defensive.
jordan holmes
It's not that China and a laundry list of made-up...
dan friesen
Globalist countries.
jordan holmes
Globalist countries are putting troops into, what was it?
dan friesen
Syria?
jordan holmes
Syria, yeah.
dan friesen
Yeah, in order to fight America and be back and fund all of the bad guys.
jordan holmes
Man, he hates America.
dan friesen
Hates them.
jordan holmes
For somebody who loves America so much, he sure does want it to burn to the ground.
dan friesen
Yeah, the fact that he's so fucking willing to buy into Russian propaganda about Putin.
Indicates that he doesn't really have that much...
jordan holmes
New theory!
dan friesen
He's not really American royalty.
jordan holmes
How could the South rise again?
Russian backing.
dan friesen
Well...
jordan holmes
There we go.
Why else would these people who hate America so much love Putin so much?
What they're trying to do is secede again.
If at first you don't secede.
dan friesen
You're joking, but...
unidentified
I will take a negative one point for that one as well.
dan friesen
Fine.
I think you're joking, but you might not be too far off from what Alex would like.
jordan holmes
I don't think I'm far off at all.
dan friesen
I know he doesn't want Texas to be in America.
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
He doesn't seem thrilled about...
He's Confederate royalty.
He is.
Well, he calls it Americana.
unidentified
No!
jordan holmes
Go with Confederate.
dan friesen
So, like I said, he's all over the place.
jordan holmes
My family is so Americana, we tried to leave it.
dan friesen
And I now defend everything Russia does.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Based on bullshit I saw on state-run media.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
So, this next clip is just a great example of Alex being hungover and just being, like, off the leash.
I don't know what's going on in his head.
I have no idea.
But this is wild stuff.
alex jones
Why do you think the EPA came out and attacked sunlight two days ago and said it's bad?
Why do you think Kat Sunstein wants to make a law where you can't say sunlight's good for you?
Every doctor until 20 years ago said, your kid's sick, you're sick, get out and get some sunlight.
Yeah, sunlight will kill you, but not having it will kill you quicker.
jordan holmes
You got cancer.
alex jones
You understand that?
jordan holmes
Get out and get some sun.
alex jones
The sun will set you free, ladies and gentlemen.
jordan holmes
You have skin cancer.
alex jones
That's why they hate it.
These people are literally vampires.
And by literally, the legends of vampires are only a wives' tale around the fire to describe what the elite are to kids that aren't that complex to understand.
You stay away from the castle.
And you don't get near the castle at night.
And you don't fish down there in those palms by the castle because there are people that will grab you and will put you in a dungeon and will drink your blood.
Yep.
Now, do those people live forever?
No.
But they will grab you and they will torture you and they will drink your blood.
They are vampires.
And that's what we're facing, folks.
And until we realize that these are people that hate the sun, these are people that hate life, these people are from hell.
dan friesen
The globalists hate the sun.
jordan holmes
The globalists hate the sun!
But let me tell you something, Patriots.
The sun will set you free.
That's my favorite line.
dan friesen
That's a fucking hungover, dude.
jordan holmes
That's a wonderful line.
The sun will set you free.
dan friesen
That sounds like me when I'm really hungover and I'm just blowing hard about something.
These people are literal vampires!
Not vampire legends.
That's really about it.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I like that.
Listen, don't go down to the castle.
Especially don't fish.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
That's a really important part of the vampire tale.
I remember Dracula.
There's a huge chapter about how Renfield went fishing, and that's how he got captured.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
That's what happened.
dan friesen
Totally, and then Renfield came back and told people, hey, you should go fish.
unidentified
I just caught three carp.
dan friesen
What?
jordan holmes
Three carp.
You gotta get down there to my fishing hole.
Let me teach you this lure.
dan friesen
Chompa-chompa.
jordan holmes
Chompa-chompa.
dan friesen
It seems so, like, I don't even know how to unpack that in terms of, like, what do you think literally means?
Like, in this case, what extent?
jordan holmes
Do you mean, is he saying literally meaning literally or literally meaning figuratively?
dan friesen
Yeah, exactly.
Like, does he mean literally in the sense that...
These people like Obama, these people like George Soros...
jordan holmes
Who we have never seen in sunlight.
dan friesen
I have.
But, like, they're literally afraid of the sun, and they are literally going to drink your blood.
Is he saying that?
Because if so, this is stupid.
jordan holmes
It seems like he means it.
That literally has the ring of a man trying to convince you it is literally true.
dan friesen
If he's talking figuratively, then I guess you could say that the sunlight is truth.
Or something like that, and drinking your blood is taking your essence?
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
Taking your life energy away from you?
But I don't think he means that.
I think he literally means literally.
jordan holmes
Adrenochrome.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Adrenochrome, my friend.
dan friesen
Anyway.
jordan holmes
That's what we're all about.
dan friesen
Anyway, so this next clip...
jordan holmes
As a card-carrying globalist, I have drunk the blood of several children today.
dan friesen
This next clip is still hung over Alex quite a bit.
This is after him screaming, do you think I want to fight with black people?
Do you think I want to fight with Hispanics?
Do you think I want to fight with the Catholics?
Do you think I want to fight with the Muslims?
jordan holmes
Yeah.
unidentified
So far.
dan friesen
That was my answer, yes.
unidentified
I think you do.
jordan holmes
Pretty much 100%.
dan friesen
I think you absolutely do.
jordan holmes
You have done nothing but try and pick a fight with those people.
dan friesen
Yeah, so that's after that.
I cut out that part because...
jordan holmes
Because we've already...
dan friesen
Well, and time constraints.
I accidentally started the clip at a certain point.
I'm like, I'm not going back for the rest of it.
It's just one of the things.
If this was my job, we would have the rest of the clip in there.
But I got a fucking day job, so deal with it.
Anyway, the rest of this clip is pretty hilarious.
alex jones
It won't matter that we just beat the hell out of each other.
It won't matter all the stupid stuff they put between us.
dan friesen
This is him saying that if we all see the truth, and that is that the globalists are attacking us.
jordan holmes
And it won't matter what that stupid shit they put between us.
dan friesen
Right, the stupid shit that you're doing, Alex.
alex jones
Once we understand it was all done to us on purpose to keep us blind from the truth, you can break that trance just like that.
unidentified
The minute you want to, you can be free.
alex jones
The second you decide, it's all about free will.
unidentified
But let me warn you about something.
alex jones
And I'm not copying the matrix.
It's an allegory.
It's always been true.
All I'm offering is the truth, nothing more.
Because once you realize the true horror of this, it's going to change your world forever.
unidentified
And you're not going to be able to just sit there calmly anymore and go through your bumbling life, worried about fantasy football, or acting tough to your buddies.
Because when you hit the rock bottom of this situation, you're going to get the million mile view of the whole stinking thing.
And there's no coming back from that rabbit hole.
But here's the secret.
You're already in the rabbit hole.
jordan holmes
Wait.
unidentified
The secret is, this is all about the choice you're going to make.
dan friesen
Hi, I'm Alex Jones.
I'm going to try and get my voice deeper and deeper and deeper as a weird way of trying to convey sincerity while I ramble about bullshit.
jordan holmes
I like how there's no coming back from the rabbit hole.
dan friesen
That you're already in.
jordan holmes
But here's the secret.
You're already there.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
Too late.
dan friesen
And?
jordan holmes
You can be free any moment you want to, but you're going to go, if you're not free, you're going to get into that rabbit hole.
dan friesen
Uh-huh.
jordan holmes
Secret, you're already in the rabbit hole.
unidentified
Right.
jordan holmes
You're never going to be free.
That's what he's saying, right?
dan friesen
He's hungover.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
You know, I can't expect him to make sense when he's doing his weird, I don't even know what that voice is.
It's gross.
jordan holmes
I think it's the Dan LaFontaine voice.
I think so.
dan friesen
In a world kind of thing?
unidentified
In a world.
dan friesen
Yeah.
That's gross.
jordan holmes
In a world where a man thinks the Matrix is real.
dan friesen
Right.
First of all, that, like, I'm not ripping off the Matrix.
jordan holmes
I'm not ripping off the Matrix.
It's an allegory.
I am going to quote it directly.
I'm going to say word for word exactly what is in The Matrix.
dan friesen
I'm not literally quoting The Matrix.
I'm just quoting The Matrix.
And then the other thing that I love is that once you see it, you get a million mile view of everything.
jordan holmes
Not from the rabbit hole, though.
dan friesen
But that might be your perception, Alex.
You might think that you have a million mile view, but you're a distrustful narrator.
I don't believe you.
jordan holmes
Well, he's still in the rabbit hole.
dan friesen
That's the secret.
jordan holmes
That's the secret.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
He's already been there the whole time.
He can just see out of the rabbit hole.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
And you can't.
dan friesen
Well, you're just doing the allegory of the cave now, basically.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
So, I mean, I think he loves that, too.
jordan holmes
I'm probably...
I bet he's a huge fan of The Stranger.
I think he loves that book.
dan friesen
Right.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
What else do we got?
dan friesen
I got nothing.
I do have another clip, though.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
So this is...
jordan holmes
He's a big fan of Billy Idol.
I know he writes a lot of apocalyptic songs.
dan friesen
Good night for a white wedding.
Drink it up, Alex.
jordan holmes
The white wedding?
That's a rabbit hole.
unidentified
That is.
Let me tell you the secret.
jordan holmes
Let me tell you the secret.
dan friesen
The secret is the rebel yell will set you free.
So...
This next clip, Alex is talking about this Oregon shooter, and apparently he was asking people if they were Christians, and if they said yes, he was killing them.
jordan holmes
Yes, I remember.
dan friesen
In the same way as Columbine.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's always been one of those things that pops up whenever people feel like it should.
dan friesen
So they're discussing that.
Him and Joe Biggs are having a little chat about that.
And then Alex Jones says something that I think any Christian should be probably offended by.
And I don't think any real Christian would say this.
alex jones
Quite frankly, that guy's not worth the truth from me.
I'd just lie to him.
I'm not denying Christ.
I mean, I get it goes back in the Christian deal, you know, to three times before the cock crows, you're going to deny me.
I get that.
But, you know, I lied to you in Bohemian Grove.
I don't lie on issues that affect people.
But, I mean, I'm going to be honest.
I lie.
I mean, did you ever lie when you were in combat?
Like, when you were doing something like with foreigners?
dan friesen
Oh, of course.
unidentified
Just to keep things calm so stuff doesn't escalate.
alex jones
Yeah, so, I mean, I'm not defending lies.
I'm being honest about lying here.
I don't know why I just digressed off into that.
I would never lie about a product.
I never lie about serious issues.
I never lie about the news.
I wouldn't lie about an issue.
dan friesen
Yeah, all right, bro.
jordan holmes
What if the issue is whether or not you are a Christian?
dan friesen
Yeah, what about that?
jordan holmes
Seems like you would lie about that real quick.
dan friesen
And now, Jordan, it is time for you to read from Scripture.
jordan holmes
Let's see.
Which one?
We can start with Mark 8, 38. For whoever is ashamed of me, in my words, in this adulterous and sinful generation, the Son of Man will also be ashamed of him when he comes in the glory of his Father with angels.
Let's go now to Matthew 10.33.
Whoever denies me before men, I will also deny him before my Father who is in heaven.
dan friesen
That one's pretty clear.
jordan holmes
That one's pretty clear.
dan friesen
Don't deny Christ.
jordan holmes
Don't say, I am not a Christian, if you are.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Kind of a big deal for them.
dan friesen
And, I mean, you know, they made a martyr out of that girl at Columbine, the She Said Yes girl.
I feel bad that I don't remember her name, but...
I'm super not into Christian propaganda, but be that as it may, they made a really huge deal of what a great example this girl was who felt so committed to Jesus that in the face of death wouldn't deny him.
That is the idea of religion.
jordan holmes
And she went to her everlasting reward for it.
dan friesen
Absolutely.
jordan holmes
Whereas, for instance, if somebody were to have said no...
Jesus, when they reached the pearly gates, would have said no.
dan friesen
Right.
Now, I'm not sure I believe in pearly gates and religion as a whole.
jordan holmes
No, they're mentioned a lot in the Bible.
Don't you remember how often they talk about the pearly gates?
dan friesen
All the time.
jordan holmes
All the time.
dan friesen
But what I want to say is you can tell a person by sort of how much they stick to their convictions.
And Alex Jones, one of his big convictions is the globalists are running the world secretly and blah, blah, blah.
Another one is that he is a good Christian man.
And religious conviction, in his conception, the way he presents it, is one of the most important things to him.
And it's defining of him.
And the idea that he would so easily go against very literal, very clear scripture and deny God just because he doesn't want to die, because this guy isn't worth my honesty.
jordan holmes
That's a great argument.
This guy isn't worth my honesty.
dan friesen
I don't think Jesus said anything like that.
Someone who wants to hurt you isn't worth telling the truth to.
jordan holmes
Well, he was talking about Jesus.
He said, this guy Jesus isn't worth my honesty.
dan friesen
Oh, that could be.
jordan holmes
Because that's basically what he's saying.
dan friesen
I mean, spiritually, yeah, that is what he's saying.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Because Jesus does demand your honesty.
jordan holmes
Pretty much all the time.
dan friesen
Yeah.
That's one of the big commandments.
jordan holmes
Yeah, he also said, keep my commandments, if you recall.
Did you ever hear that one?
dan friesen
And one of those was, thou shalt not lie.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
So, Alex, you are not a good Christian, if that is your mindset.
But I'll give you a pass.
You're hungover.
I don't know.
It might be just talking shit.
But at the same time...
jordan holmes
Well, when I'm hungover, I definitely am going to lie about whether or not I would say...
dan friesen
You commit sacrilege when I'm hungover?
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's what I do.
dan friesen
The other thing...
jordan holmes
I pee on the Bible!
dan friesen
The other thing, though, is I love that moment when he realizes, oh shit, I'm talking about lying.
I gotta fucking spin.
jordan holmes
Well, that's the shit that Joe Walsh just tweeted out, where it's like...
At least he's honest about lying, and you're like, shut up!
dan friesen
He's fallen so far since the Eagles.
So, we just gotta...
jordan holmes
Who among us has not been dragged down by the Eagles?
dan friesen
Oh, sure.
You see Don Henley stumping for Trump all the time.
jordan holmes
Let he who is without a win cast the first stone.
dan friesen
So, this next clip is...
Alex is still hungover, and...
You know, the adrenaline of doing his show hasn't really helped out, but he's found something else that might.
And it might be a commercial.
jordan holmes
Super male vitality?
alex jones
My fist is sore from trading punches with Joe Biggs.
You think I'm 14 years old again last night?
You want to know how good Brain Force is?
I didn't mean to do a plug right now.
I wanted one because I'm tired.
I'm taking one that I forgot this morning.
dan friesen
Brain Force.
alex jones
I had a Brain Force sitting here.
There was like 10 pills left in it.
And some little mouse around here has eaten my Brain Force.
So I just had to go get another bottle during that break.
jordan holmes
That's super intelligent.
alex jones
I opened it up, and then it was a painful opening.
That's why I made the fist comment.
It wasn't punching bigs that made my fist hurt, though.
It was punching a steel door.
But I still got it.
I put a little dent in it.
That was a little parlor trick in high school.
Punch the school doors and denim.
Girls got impressed by that.
And the next guy would try it, break his hand.
Of course, the big secret is you've got to have your hand basically broken pretty much all the time, and then it doesn't hurt so bad.
It's like a spongy, smashed knuckle.
I'm joking.
That didn't happen.
I'm trying to act tough to impress everybody, folks.
Anyways, getting back to what I was covering earlier on the whole DARPA situation, the secret is not minding the pain.
unidentified
Whoa.
jordan holmes
Pain don't hurt?
alex jones
Pain almost reminds you you're alive.
It's weird.
You have pain long enough, it just becomes part of it.
It's weird.
Anyway, side issue.
unidentified
That is a man who is hurt all the time.
dan friesen
That's so sad.
We hate him, but that's so human.
I mean, it's a little hacky in terms of observations.
jordan holmes
Oh, very much so.
dan friesen
But at the same time...
jordan holmes
It's the deepest he can get.
dan friesen
Right, and if you're watching the video, he's staring off into the middle distance.
unidentified
Of course.
dan friesen
He's really reflective when he's like, sometimes pain has been part of you so long, it's just there.
It's like, dude, you're revealing a lot in this hangover.
That's crazy.
Also, you impressed girls by denting walls in high school?
jordan holmes
He impressed you by denting walls in high school.
dan friesen
That did not impress me.
jordan holmes
He just told you he was doing that to impress you.
Were you impressed?
dan friesen
No, he was telling the stories to impress us.
jordan holmes
Yeah, exactly.
dan friesen
But back then, he was just straight trying to impress them girls.
jordan holmes
Well, the trick is to always have a broken hand, apparently.
dan friesen
I guess.
No, because in the breakdown, he's like, actually, the truth is, the secret is not minding the pain.
jordan holmes
Pain don't hurt.
dan friesen
Oh, man.
So, I guess I should have been punching more walls because he fucking banged out 200 girls before he was 16. I don't know what's going on with Texas women, but apparently denting a door is all it takes.
Everything is bigger except their self-esteem.
unidentified
Oh!
jordan holmes
Oh, Dan!
That's generalizing a lot of Texas.
I only went for half of it.
dan friesen
I actually...
Don't mean that at all, because I don't believe Alex's story about his youth.
jordan holmes
No, of course not.
dan friesen
At the same time, if it were true, if that many women deemed to lower their standards.
unidentified
Troubling, if true.
dan friesen
That is how you would respond on Twitter.
Alex Jones has had sex with hundreds of women before the age of 16. Troubling, if true.
unidentified
Not big, if true.
Oh, boy.
dan friesen
So you might think that last clip, beyond the humanizing of it with that really sad end, Alex is kind of making a fool out of himself, talking about as a 40-year-old man, he's out punching walls with Joe Biggs in order to impress them, and he's telling the stories on the show to impress his audience with his masculinity.
You might think he's been sort of made a fool of.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
You might think that.
jordan holmes
Does he have a response to that?
dan friesen
He doesn't, but he has another clip about people who have been made to look like fools.
jordan holmes
Oh, okay.
alex jones
We're not trying to be alarmists.
I am alarmed, though, so I'm not going to lie to you.
I am freaked out!
It is what it is.
unidentified
Out!
Crystal lives are broken.
alex jones
Russia has completely upstaged the United States and made...
Our criminal government look like absolute fools, which I don't even particularly like because it's our country, not the globalists, that they're using and running in the ground.
A lot of people are all happy that the Russians are going in and killing Al-Qaeda and blowing up al-Nazra and going after IS.
And yes, I'm happy about that, but this is part of a larger globalist operation in the final equation that discredits this country.
Because we could take this country back any time and turn the prosperity engine on, cut the taxes, cut the spending, make all the welfare folks start working, stop paying for the anchor babies, and this country would go to 10% growth rates in a few years.
Historically, I mean, we did until we got the Federal Reserve.
We did until the Great Depression.
The first 150 years of this country was like heaven.
dan friesen
I know some people that it wasn't for...
jordan holmes
I can't think of anybody.
Think of anybody throughout American history for whom the prosperity engine did not work perfectly.
dan friesen
The first 150 years of our country?
The first 150 years!
That's painfully closed-minded.
Very narrow focus on that.
jordan holmes
Also, the Great Depression.
That's whenever it stopped.
I can't think of any reason why the prosperity engine, so to speak, was turned off.
unidentified
Could it be because it fucking caused the goddamn Great Depression?
jordan holmes
Why do you think it was turned off?
Because it was at fault!
dan friesen
Yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
Turn off the engine!
dan friesen
Yeah, and you know why the Federal Reserve exists?
jordan holmes
I can't think of any reason either, Dan.
dan friesen
Because before the Federal Reserve existed, first of all, the value of the market was so volatile.
Everything was up and down and up and down.
jordan holmes
Yeah, because of that fucking prosperity engine.
dan friesen
Right, that's a big part of it.
And since then, there has been a massive stabilization of it.
Secondly, before the Federal Reserve existed, anyone could make their own money.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
People could just make money that they backed with whatever.
jordan holmes
Yeah, sounds fun.
dan friesen
No, it doesn't.
jordan holmes
It sounds super fun.
dan friesen
No, it doesn't.
jordan holmes
Oh, absolutely.
dan friesen
It's a very disorganized way to run a country.
jordan holmes
Which, by the way, we will also be issuing Knowledge Fight Bucks to everybody who donates.
You will get Knowledge Fight Bucks redeemable at Disney World.
dan friesen
Sure.
So, for the first 150 years of our country.
jordan holmes
Right up until 1910.
dan friesen
Black people were enslaved.
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
Women couldn't vote, and you could hit them.
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
It was totally cool.
jordan holmes
Men and the family ruled the world.
dan friesen
And children were forced into work.
jordan holmes
Prosperity.
The prosperity engine was fueled with slaves and children.
dan friesen
The Chinese were forced to build the railroads.
alex jones
Yep.
dan friesen
And a lot of them died in the process.
jordan holmes
Can't think of it.
I can't think of why they would be frustrated with that.
dan friesen
That's reductive.
There was a lot more abuse of foreigners than just that.
jordan holmes
Do you know who might have had the best time?
For the first 150 years of America?
dan friesen
Certainly no one who has an overlap with white nationalists now.
jordan holmes
I can't think of anybody.
dan friesen
No.
jordan holmes
It's weird.
You know, all the white nationalists, they probably kicked ass.
dan friesen
Yeah, it's weird.
It's weird that that's the way his mind works.
jordan holmes
I wonder if there's a lot of white nationalist propaganda built around the idea that we need to go back to when America was great.
dan friesen
And...
A lot of white nationalist propaganda that talks about how Putin is one of the good guys because he embodies that sort of thing.
Celebrating prosperity in the family.
jordan holmes
Well, they're making our criminal government look stupid.
dan friesen
Yeah, they're fools.
jordan holmes
Because their criminal government is way better at it.
dan friesen
Right, but they love the family.
jordan holmes
They love the family.
dan friesen
And they want white people to breed more.
jordan holmes
Absolutely.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Good stuff.
dan friesen
We're done with our clips, but at this point, I'm furious.
Like, quite frankly, because we don't know what's going on with his mind and Trump, but this has taken a harsh pro-Russia turn.
It is.
jordan holmes
It's suspiciously harsh.
dan friesen
And you might think...
jordan holmes
Immediately following the money bomb, too.
dan friesen
Right.
You might think that I'm selectively editing stuff and like, oh, he was talking positively about Russia before and I just was leaving it out.
No.
We've talked about some pro-Russia stuff creeping in to his rhetoric.
And now it's just the entire...
jordan holmes
Out and out.
dan friesen
The entire shows are about Russia being good.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And I don't know what to make of it.
Because here's the deal.
We keep coming to new conclusions about what the fuck happened in 2015 because we didn't come into this with a, like, this is what happened and we're going to prove that it happened.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
All we knew is that he went from fuck Trump to I love Trump.
jordan holmes
1776 2.0.
dan friesen
That's the only thing we knew.
And with each new piece of evidence that we're finding, it changes the way we're looking at this.
And, like...
When we found out that the money bomb was coming up right at the end of the fiscal year, it became so clear that he's in financial crisis.
He's in bad financial straits.
He needs to try and keep water out of the ship.
He needs to bail some water out.
And so he does so with that million dollar money bomb.
And we thought that that was it.
We thought, like, this is going to be it.
Or even before that, we thought, oh, the first debate is going to happen, and he's going to insult Megyn Kelly, and that's going to be it.
Alex is going to be like, I'm on board.
I hate Megyn Kelly, too.
And that wasn't it.
jordan holmes
I thought this was going to last at most two months past Trump's candidacy.
dan friesen
But everything keeps changing.
unidentified
Now he's just on a complete Russia kick.
jordan holmes
And a Jaeger kick.
dan friesen
And I don't know what to do.
I don't know what to think.
Because to me, I'm starting to think, and I texted you a little bit about this.
I'm starting to suspect, on some level, that Trump...
Is not as important to Alex as we might have been thinking.
I'm starting to think that maybe Trump was a means to supporting Russia for Alex.
jordan holmes
Holy shit.
Okay.
dan friesen
Now, I don't know if that's too crazy.
jordan holmes
Alright.
dan friesen
But...
jordan holmes
That...
That seems...
Man, I just can't...
dan friesen
Hear me out on this.
jordan holmes
Okay.
I'm gonna need way more than just...
dan friesen
All the shit we just heard?
jordan holmes
Yeah!
Yeah, I am gonna need more than all the shit we just heard.
dan friesen
Okay, here are a few things.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
One, Alex's support of Putin clearly predates his support of Trump.
jordan holmes
Yes, true.
dan friesen
So that's one.
The people that Alex Jones has spoken about already in our investigation, very positively, who end up being involved with the Trump campaign, are Jeff Sessions, Who is clearly involved with Russian folk.
jordan holmes
Crimes.
He's clearly involved with the crime.
dan friesen
And General Flynn.
jordan holmes
Who is also involved with the crime.
dan friesen
Yes.
So, those are the people that he has already spoken of as heroes.
They're the ones who end up getting involved in Trump's campaign.
jordan holmes
I just don't see...
I mean, I just don't see how that can be a reasonable thing, because then we're talking, again, we're getting into a straight-up collusion situation.
dan friesen
Well, no, I don't think so.
jordan holmes
Because if he's selling out America to support Russia, that seems like a long way to go.
dan friesen
Okay, well, let me try and put a finer point on it.
Maybe that'll help.
So, Alex Jones, his primary objective is fighting these imagined globalists.
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
Right?
He believes that Putin is doing that.
He believes that Putin is essentially the only enemy that is against the globalists in the international stage.
And they hate him for that, and that's why he's kicked out of the G8, and everybody sanctions him because he won't go along with the globalists.
Right?
He can't outwardly support Putin.
He can't do that.
He can't turn his show into an out-and-out propaganda fest for Putin.
jordan holmes
Even though it's halfway that already.
dan friesen
Right.
But if he went full on, he would be probably subject to some investigation.
jordan holmes
Well, yeah.
And at the very least, you'd think the Patriots would be like, hey, you love it or leave it kind of thing.
dan friesen
You seem like you might like him too much.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
But actually, I think a lot of the Patriots like Putin, too.
jordan holmes
I think you're probably right.
dan friesen
Patriot movement, as it were.
jordan holmes
Well, especially now, since he's the same thing as their guy.
dan friesen
I think, on some level, whether it's honest, or whether it's sort of coerced by some sort of third party, there comes a time, and I mean, we keep spitballing, like, what could happen?
And I recognize that this could be wrong.
But the way my mind is looking at it...
jordan holmes
Probabilistically, the way our speculations have gone in the past, it's most likely wrong.
dan friesen
Probably.
Or, in the end, the truth is, all of our speculations have been partially right.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's always possible.
dan friesen
We'll never know.
jordan holmes
Right.
Well, just like the end of Clue, everybody did it.
dan friesen
It's like the Orient Express.
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
So the way my mind is looking at this now is I think that there's a decent chance that someone behind the scenes, maybe someone whose name rhymes with Bodger Crone, was convincing Alex that Trump is fighting the globalists, that he is actively fighting the globalists, and...
That Putin and him are on sort of the same team in as much as they are against the globalists.
Therefore, Alex can vent all of his positive feelings that he has about Putin and place them onto Donald Trump.
Because that would be a much more acceptable way to promote all of these narratives that come from Russian media.
That he's clearly beholden to.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
And do it in a way that would probably not get him afoul of an espionage investigation.
jordan holmes
But that presupposes that he actually does believe his own bullshit in the globalists.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
And is not just a scam artist.
dan friesen
Right.
It's hard to say.
jordan holmes
Right?
Like, even if he does believe in the globalists, it is clearly an amplification of that on his show.
There's no way he genuinely thinks that the globalists are this...
What?
Extensive?
This powerful?
dan friesen
Honestly, at this point, I could believe either.
I could believe that, no, he is this fucked up off air and probably miserable.
unidentified
Right, right, right.
dan friesen
Or I could believe he's a complete...
jordan holmes
He is always with pain.
dan friesen
Or I could also, conversely, believe entirely that he's...
Amplifying it for effect.
jordan holmes
See, I still contend that with what I know of Alex at this point, which admittedly is nowhere near as much as you, so I could be missing the forest for the tree.
I don't know about that.
But to me, there has to be somewhere along the line.
It has to be money.
There has to be money involved.
dan friesen
I don't disagree.
I think there's probably some money involved.
It's possible that could still be a piece of it.
Or it could be a thing where, like we talked about with when Joe Biggs went to the Trump rally, they saw that there was a massive untapped market of people who didn't know what Infowars was, but do seem to believe in a lot of the weirdo libertarian stuff that they do.
jordan holmes
But that doesn't explain the Russia shit.
dan friesen
That might just be more intrinsic.
jordan holmes
That might just be more like, this dude's got a big swinging dick and I'm into that.
Whereas Obama is thoughtful and controlled.
dan friesen
No, you're missing a piece of this.
The reason that the Russia thing is there for him is because he believes Russian media.
He believes these stories that come out of Russian media about how Putin is secretly trying to defend Christendom and that he didn't actually blow up these apartment buildings.
All of this stuff.
That he's secretly the good guy in Syria.
jordan holmes
But then you get back to the Starfucker thing, because there are so many anti-American medias out there that it can't just be that he likes Russian media because they're anti-American.
dan friesen
Well, Russian media is really good.
jordan holmes
Oh, they're slick and they're well-produced.
dan friesen
Yes.
jordan holmes
Is that what you're saying?
dan friesen
They're the most convincing propaganda outlet in the world, save for maybe ours.
We have some pretty good propaganda here.
jordan holmes
Well, I mean, you look at North Korea, maybe their production values aren't high, but they got a pretty solid handle on everybody.
dan friesen
They're aggressive.
jordan holmes
Troubling, if true.
dan friesen
But I don't think that their propaganda is nearly as exportable, and people on the outside are...
jordan holmes
Oh, yeah, absolutely not.
dan friesen
And it's very clear with North Korea how much Kim Jong-un and Kim Jong-il before him were just oppressive dictators.
jordan holmes
But how is it not clear that Putin is an oppressive dictator?
dan friesen
Again, I think it's that their state media is pretty slick.
I think that is a big part of it.
Because we're seeing all of these narratives that clearly are rooted in something straight out of Russia, whether it be Sputnik, RT, or that Dystrovia source that we talked about the other day.
jordan holmes
Yeah, the Russian Infowars.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Or all of it's becoming Infowars, according to Alex.
jordan holmes
Yeah, no, that's true.
dan friesen
So, I mean, of course you would see like is like like, you know, that I see they're similar to me, now I like them.
I don't know.
I don't know.
And I want to be clear.
I want to be totally clear.
When I make these hypotheses and speculations...
I'm not in any way saying that Alex Jones is or ever has been a Russian agent.
I'm not saying that.
I'm saying...
jordan holmes
But the fact that he's denied it makes it more likely to be true.
dan friesen
It's possible.
He is a liar.
jordan holmes
That'd be fun if it turns out that the...
Like, we need to send the FBI a hot tip on if you investigate Alex, the whole thing comes down.
dan friesen
I'm starting to think that maybe that's true.
Quite frankly.
jordan holmes
Alex is our linchpin for the entire Russian investigation.
dan friesen
Well, but here's why I think there might be some credence to that.
And I know that it's fucking masturbatory for me to say that as a guy who hosts an Alex Jones podcast.
I get that.
jordan holmes
It turns out we are the most important podcast in the world.
dan friesen
I don't think that.
jordan holmes
It turns out.
dan friesen
I don't think that at all.
jordan holmes
It turns out maybe the only way to take down Trump is with us.
dan friesen
No, but Alex Jones is incredibly unguarded and dumb.
A lot of the time.
jordan holmes
That's true.
dan friesen
And he basically provides three to four hours of evidence against himself every day.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
On the air, and it's all online.
So I think...
jordan holmes
Stupidly.
dan friesen
I think that there are indications and clues that you can pick up from that that you probably couldn't from...
If you have a questioning session with somebody, it might not provide as fruitful evidence of just put them in front of a mic hungover for three hours.
Or just leave them to their own devices.
jordan holmes
That's true.
Get Alex drunk and the whole system comes crashing down.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
These fucking dudes.
jordan holmes
Donald Trump Jr. out.
Sessions gone.
dan friesen
Donald Trump Jr. needs to get Alex in rehab if he wants to survive.
jordan holmes
Yeah, no kidding.
dan friesen
Actually, I think it's too late for him.
But be that as it may, like...
jordan holmes
We hope.
dan friesen
So, if I can say...
jordan holmes
But see, that's the thing.
Especially, like, I don't...
Go for it.
I'll let you get there.
dan friesen
No, no, go ahead.
I was just stretching my neck.
I wasn't being disapproving.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
Sorry.
I'm serious.
jordan holmes
Okay.
No, the thing that crushes me about whether or not anything will actually happen is what just happened with Tamer in Brazil.
He was caught on tape bribing people to not be investigated for corruption.
Literally, you can hear him admit to bribing people.
And he should be fucking put in jail for it.
But the Brazilian Congress just voted to keep him as president.
And because they did that, he cannot be arrested or prosecuted under those very illegal charges.
So to me, the idea of anything bad happening to Donald Trump is...
Built entirely around whether or not our Congress actually gives a shit.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
And right now, I'm leaning towards no.
dan friesen
It doesn't look like our institutions are going to protect us at all.
unidentified
No.
jordan holmes
It looks like we're fucked.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Yeah.
jordan holmes
I mean, I don't know what it is.
Mueller today has just gotten grand jury shit.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
He's just getting that whole process started.
dan friesen
I think a lot of stuff's going to move pretty quickly.
jordan holmes
Well, we're talking months, though.
dan friesen
I know, but I think there's going to be a lot of leaks.
unidentified
Yeah, well, so far, I don't think we're running low on those.
dan friesen
Now that Reince Priebus is out, I think there's going to be a lot of leaks.
Like, you might have kept a portfolio.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
I like the idea that he wasn't leaking while in the White House, but they fire him and he's like, well, fucking of course I'm going to do it now!
dan friesen
I would not be too surprised if that was the case.
Also, I want to say this, just because I don't think anyone's necessarily pointed this out.
Maybe someone has and I haven't seen it.
There's no goddamn way I would believe that Anthony Scaramucci was not...
Fucking leaking stuff to Cernovich.
Oh, of course.
And to Alex Jones.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
They're 100% getting stuff from him.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
So his whole crusade against leaks is crazy to me.
jordan holmes
Well, he's against the leaks that he's against.
unidentified
Why do you think Cernovich- That's the truth with all of these people, though.
jordan holmes
They're against only what they're against.
If it helps them, even if they're for it.
unidentified
Right.
jordan holmes
It doesn't matter what it- I'm against leaks, except for the leaks that help me out.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
Like, it's always the Alex Jones argument of, well, they're doing it to us, so we have to do it to them.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Even though, you know, fucking you guys are idiots.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Like, that's the operational playbook that they use.
dan friesen
Yeah.
I'm freaked out a little bit because this investigation is going into weird places that I did not expect it to go.
I never would have guessed that before he supports Trump...
And months after this investigation started, he would just violently ramp up the pro-Putin rhetoric.
That's wild.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that is super suspect, especially knowing what we fucking know now.
This is a week after the money bomb.
About how aggressive Russia has been in their Compromat campaign or whatever it is.
dan friesen
And our intelligence agencies have come out and said on record in congressional testimony that they first indicated...
Russian either media or persuasion campaigns.
jordan holmes
In 2015.
dan friesen
In summer of 2015.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Which would be right around this period.
I think that Alex is falling for stuff.
I think that that is a piece of this.
And we'll see how it bears out over the next section of our investigation.
It would be fucked up on August.
Excuse me.
October 3rd, he was just like, never spoke about Putin again.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
That would be wild.
jordan holmes
That would be weird.
dan friesen
But...
jordan holmes
Well, he's still saying pro-Putin stuff today.
dan friesen
Not as much, but yeah.
jordan holmes
Not as well.
Well, yeah.
It's a good idea not to bring him up at all on your show if you're Infowars.
dan friesen
All he does now is just scream about how he's not a Putin.
He's not a Putin.
jordan holmes
He's not a stooge.
dan friesen
Yeah, and then how the chai comms are worse.
Right.
And stuff like that.
jordan holmes
See, but the more he doth protest too much, it's like, I mean...
Every time he has to reiterate that he's not a Putin stooge.
dan friesen
Right, and he has to say someone else is worse.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
The only defense is...
jordan holmes
Which is the exact same shit that Trump does.
unidentified
Right.
jordan holmes
It's the exact same shit that they do with what they should be doing is investigating Hillary's 33,000 emails.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
Not the obvious...
Pro-Russia campaign that I'm dealing with.
dan friesen
Right, and that gets back to our discussion we had the other day about people who should be taught rhetoric.
So you could immediately tell the what about technique that people use to deflect from arguments that they have no response to.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
What about when you did X, Y, or Z?
Like, well, that has nothing to do with what we're talking about now, but by the time you get that out, they're already off to the races.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
So, Alex, your house is not in order.
jordan holmes
Alex!
The fuck is going on with you, man?
dan friesen
You're a wild boy.
jordan holmes
Are you okay?
Also, does it still hurt?
dan friesen
It hurts all the time.
jordan holmes
Does it still hurt, Alex?
dan friesen
Pain just becomes part of you.
And you know what else should be a part of you?
unidentified
Visits to our website.
Knowledgefight.com That is our website.
jordan holmes
That's the worst transition you've ever done in your entire life, Dan.
dan friesen
I'll admit.
jordan holmes
That one, oh man, minus ten points.
dan friesen
That wasn't great.
unidentified
Minus ten points for that one.
dan friesen
I think I've done worse, though.
I'll be honest.
jordan holmes
Can you say that one more time?
dan friesen
I can't.
Not from memory.
Also, you can check out...
jordan holmes
Do you know what else should be a part of your life?
Visits to our website.
It's knowledgefight.com.
dan friesen
I don't disagree with the sentiment.
It should be a part of your life.
There's a lot of great content over there.
jordan holmes
I know.
You can follow us for more great transitions.
Go to iTunes.
We just got another review.
dan friesen
Sweet.
jordan holmes
That's nice.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Go to iTunes, subscribe to the show.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Leave a review.
Give us a review.
Let us know how you feel about Dan's transitions tonight.
dan friesen
Game is tight.
Also, you can follow us on Twitter at knowledge underscore fight or just knowledge fight on Facebook.
You can check us out over there.
Appreciate all the people who've been sending us messages.
Got into a long conversation with someone who may or may not be the real Steve Bannon.
Not entirely sure.
Why not?
I just trust accounts names.
unidentified
I have no idea.
That'd be fun.
jordan holmes
That'd be fun.
Why not?
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
It seems completely in his wheelhouse to be just an unverified Facebook account, just like, yeah, fuck it, I'll tell you whatever.
dan friesen
Real or fake Steve Bannon had some very interesting ideas about Alex's trajectory, and I appreciate the conversation.
But also, if you'd like to support the show, you can by going to knowledgefight.com, clicking the support the show button.
And hey, if you know anybody who's got a business who wants to advertise, tell them to fucking send us a message.
Or tell us and we'll reach out to them.
We should really try and court some sponsors.
jordan holmes
How do you do that?
dan friesen
I don't know.
But if you know someone who owns a business...
jordan holmes
Do we just email Audible?
Like, hey, Audible, you guys sponsor podcasts.
Why not throw us a few bucks?
dan friesen
Hey, Audible, you could do worse.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
That's probably not how we should do it.
jordan holmes
This is why we're bad at business, you and I, Dan.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Anyway, you know who else is bad at business?
jordan holmes
Who?
dan friesen
It's one fucking old-ass dude.
Googly-eyed, Muppet-looking motherfucker.
jordan holmes
Oh, yeah?
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
What's his decoration situation?
dan friesen
I'll tell you what his website is.
What is it?
NoMoreFakeNews.com.
He also doesn't know how to hang a picture, and he sells overpriced lecture series on CD-ROM.
jordan holmes
I know who you're talking about.
Can I say it?
dan friesen
Yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
Okay.
Go fuck yourself, John Rapoport.
dan friesen
Amen.
Wait, why do you drop the T?
jordan holmes
Is it Rapoport?
dan friesen
Yeah, it's Rapoport.
jordan holmes
Eh, I'm gonna go with my...
Well, I'm thinking of...
dan friesen
You're trying to class it up.
Fuck you, classing up John Rapoport.
alex jones
Andy in Kansas, you're on the air.
Thanks for holding.
unidentified
Hello, Alex.
jordan holmes
I'm a first time caller.
unidentified
I'm a huge fan.
I love your work.
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