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Aug. 2, 2017 - Knowledge Fight
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#69: August 1, 2017

Today, Dan tells Jordan all about the Aug. 1, 2017 episode of The Alex Jones Show. Topics include: Has Alex Jones been on a vacation in Hawaii for the last week? Did he run into any way-past-their-expiration-date celebrities while he was there? What did Alex find most troubling about the piece about him on Last Week Tonight?

Participants
Main voices
a
alex jones
13:41
d
dan friesen
58:55
j
jordan holmes
27:34
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Clips
j
john oliver
00:25
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steve pieczenik
00:54
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Speaker Time Text
alex jones
Andy in Kansas, you're on the air.
Thanks for holding.
unidentified
Hello, Alex.
I'm a first-time caller.
I'm a huge fan.
I love your work.
alex jones
I love you.
dan friesen
Hey, everybody.
Welcome back to Knowledge Fight.
I'm Dan.
jordan holmes
I'm Jordan.
dan friesen
We are a couple dudes who like to sit around, drink novelty beverages, and talk a little bit about Alex Jones.
jordan holmes
We do that.
Now, we do have a hook.
We have like a...
dan friesen
A John Popper-style hook?
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
A John Popper, the guy who keeps doxing people on Twitter?
jordan holmes
That can't be true.
dan friesen
Apparently, the Blues Traveler account has been doxing people.
Have you not heard about this?
unidentified
No!
Well, one, of course I don't follow the Blues Traveler account.
dan friesen
I just saw some tweets about this.
I think there was a story in BuzzFeed.
The Blues Traveler official account has been tweeting out satellite images and addresses of this guy's house.
Just straight up doxing somebody who was fucking with him.
jordan holmes
Alright, that makes...
Perfect sense.
In the context of the world we live in, that is the least weird thing I've ever heard.
dan friesen
John Popper used to go on Loveline all the time, too, and he would always talk about how much he loves guns and how he always carries guns on him and he's high all the time.
jordan holmes
Oh, so John Popper is insane.
I did not realize that.
dan friesen
There's a decent chance.
I don't want him to tweet my address, though, so let's chill.
jordan holmes
Yeah, but do you know what?
dan friesen
The hook...
jordan holmes
Brings you back.
dan friesen
Rub it in, rub it in, rub it in.
jordan holmes
And I don't know anything about Alex Jones.
dan friesen
Correct.
Today we are drinking Seagram's Escapes.
jordan holmes
You're making me happy, Dan.
dan friesen
You know why these are called Escapes?
Because that's the name, that's the actual title of the Pina Colada song.
Escape.
Come with me and escape.
jordan holmes
I don't believe you.
dan friesen
If you like Pina Coladas.
jordan holmes
Alright.
dan friesen
Getting caught in the rain.
unidentified
Alright.
dan friesen
If you're not into yoga.
jordan holmes
We have hit two bottoms as far as music is concerned already today.
dan friesen
I don't have many clips to go over today, so we've got a vamp.
jordan holmes
I chose Jamaican Me Happy for two reasons.
dan friesen
Well, it's a new month.
It's August.
jordan holmes
One was aspirational.
Dan, I want you to be Jamaican Me Happy.
And two is representative of...
Guys, we have hit an actual record.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
For downloads, we have hit all these milestones and people keep finding us inexplicably.
dan friesen
Yeah, it's great.
jordan holmes
Considering our utter inability to promote in any way.
dan friesen
We've had some amazing messages we've got on Facebook and on the email and over Twitter.
It's awesome.
Most of it very positive and interesting stuff.
A little bit of it awful.
A couple dickholes tweeting at us.
unidentified
Oh, yeah, yeah!
jordan holmes
No, that's fun.
I'm liking that.
dan friesen
Finally starting to get a little bit of that MAGA stuff coming at us.
jordan holmes
I'm loving it.
dan friesen
Yeah, fuck these dudes.
These square assholes.
jordan holmes
Also, it turns out these Seagram's Escapes are children's booze.
dan friesen
These are candy.
You know what I love about that Pina Colada song?
jordan holmes
What's that?
dan friesen
First of all, if you're not into yoga and you do champagne, that's in his personal ad that he sends out in the paper.
That's the story of the song, his personal ad.
It's not important.
The response to the personal ad is like, Yes, I do like champagne!
It's like, alright, calm down.
Everyone likes champagne.
Anyway, enough about Rupert Holmes.
jordan holmes
Yeah, we need to update that for the OkCupid world.
dan friesen
Yeah, absolutely.
But, before we do that, because I'm sure we will by the end of the show.
jordan holmes
If you like certain pics with tigers.
dan friesen
Ooh, that's not bad.
Speaking of not bad things, ladies and gentlemen, I'd like to give a shout out to two very unique styles of policy wonks.
jordan holmes
Oh, now I'm blown away.
dan friesen
These are already policy wonks.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
But these are people who have decided to step it up and donate more.
jordan holmes
No, that's insane.
dan friesen
So we've got to give them a secondary policy wonk status, which is, I don't know, policy squared wonk?
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
I don't know.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
You're now a foreign policy expert.
Unfortunately, I don't have a clip of Alex Jones saying that, so this will have to do.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
dan friesen
Thank you, David, and thank you, Luke.
You're both now foreign policy experts.
jordan holmes
You guys are amazing with the intricate policies governing North Korea.
I feel like that's what we have to give you.
dan friesen
You know about the intricacies of inter-European country relations.
You know about what's going on with Brexit.
jordan holmes
That'd be fun if it turns out they both support Brexit, in which case it'd be like, I don't, I don't, okay.
dan friesen
Well, still, you can still be an expert.
Anyway.
It is only appropriate, Jordan, that we are drinking Seagram's Escapes Jamaican Me Happy Island-style booze.
jordan holmes
Are we escaping the present once more?
dan friesen
We are not.
We are in the present.
jordan holmes
Damn it.
dan friesen
We needed to check in and see what was going on.
jordan holmes
Yeah, and it's also been really heavy as far as news goes.
steve pieczenik
Oh yeah.
jordan holmes
What with the past week being perhaps the most insane week in the history of American politics.
dan friesen
We'll get into all of it as Alex Jones does not cover any of it.
jordan holmes
Of course.
dan friesen
But the reason that this booze is appropriate, or this drink itself is appropriate, is because I've figured out, I didn't realize what was going on.
Alex Jones has been in Hawaii for like a week.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
I was like, why is Owen Schroyer hosting on Friday?
jordan holmes
That was a smart move on his part.
dan friesen
Alex has just been in Hawaii.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So he's hanging out in Hawaii, drinking probably a lot of these Seagram's chillers.
You know, just hanging out on the beach.
jordan holmes
I would say he probably spikes them with a little bit of extra whiskey.
dan friesen
I would go rum.
That's a much better...
jordan holmes
Rum is a way better way to go.
dan friesen
You don't want to put whiskey in a wine cooler.
jordan holmes
I don't know why not.
dan friesen
That's very trashy.
Anyway, Alex Jones was in Hawaii.
jordan holmes
You would know, considering your Missouri roots.
dan friesen
And Hawaii roots.
jordan holmes
That's true.
dan friesen
I'm all over the place.
jordan holmes
You're correct.
dan friesen
So, while he was in Hawaii, Alex Jones ran into some of the biggest celebrities in the world and got an interview with them.
This is a celebrity couple.
Would you like to guess?
jordan holmes
Oh, no.
I think I might have seen this.
dan friesen
All right.
No guessing, then.
No guessing.
alex jones
We're here with Heidi Montag and Spencer Pratt.
It was about a decade before the first game on my broadcast.
They were getting political and speaking out against globalism back when that wasn't popular.
jordan holmes
That can't be real!
alex jones
And there was a firestorm.
Thousands of news articles.
jordan holmes
Heidi and Spencer Pratt were all ahead of the game on globalists?
alex jones
They didn't back off their Make America Great Again, I guess, proto-politics.
And then I'm here in Hawaii on a vacation with my family, and I run into them.
It's amazing.
And Heidi's...
Pregnant.
It's very exciting.
So it's very fortuitous to run into you guys.
jordan holmes
Very exciting.
unidentified
It's great to see you.
I mean, obviously, Destiny.
jordan holmes
It was Destiny for Heidi to meet Alex Jones in Hawaii.
That was Destiny.
dan friesen
Absolutely.
jordan holmes
Destiny is bored.
Destiny needs something else to do.
dan friesen
And this should highlight, I really think, one of Alex...
Alex Jones is such a star fucker in the sense that Heidi and Spencer are like...
Oh, this is exciting.
These people know what's up.
You're giving credibility to Heidi and fucking Spencer.
Look, hey, I get it.
She was my third favorite character on The Hills, which was a show...
jordan holmes
Is that where she's from?
dan friesen
Yes, which was a show that starred my fifth favorite character on Laguna Beach, which was a reality TV show version of a TV show I never watched called The O.C. Late 90s were weird.
jordan holmes
Boy, I was aware that The Hills was a thing.
dan friesen
Are you curious about my power ranking of people from Laguna Beach?
jordan holmes
Good God, no.
dan friesen
Low is number one.
Number one is Low.
jordan holmes
Which one is the reality show?
dan friesen
The reality show was Laguna Beach and The Hills are both reality shows.
Laguna Beach was called Laguna Beach The Real OC.
It was the show, the Adam Brody show and whoever else was on that.
The OC.
It was supposed to be a reality show version of it.
It was a disaster.
But my favorite character was Lo.
She's number one.
She's the best.
She seemed like a really great friend.
Never got into too much trouble.
Love her.
Number two is a guy named Trey.
jordan holmes
I instantly hate Trey.
dan friesen
He made hats.
He made hats and sold them and did fashion shows and gave all the money to charity.
He seemed like a really cool dude.
jordan holmes
Goddammit, now I'm back in on Trey.
Couldn't he have changed his name?
dan friesen
Yeah, it was the late 90s.
Look, give him a pass.
And he hasn't gotten in any trouble since the show was on.
Number three, there's this guy named Polster.
unidentified
Right?
dan friesen
He was not a main character on the show at all.
But every time they had a chyron under his name, it said something enthusiast.
So, like, when he was helping Trey with the hat thing, it was like, hat enthusiast?
jordan holmes
Great.
dan friesen
He's just always enthusiastic about something.
jordan holmes
He's an enthusiastic guy.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Number four...
I don't know.
Maybe Lauren was my fourth favorite.
Who knows?
Anyway, be that as it may, the Hills sucked, and I liked Whitney and Audrina way more than Lauren.
Well, yeah, Lauren and goddamn Heidi.
She was terrible.
She was a shit character.
Anyway.
jordan holmes
Dan knows a lot about the Hills, and I don't know anything.
dan friesen
I spent a lot of time watching those shows when I was younger.
I can tell.
jordan holmes
So, Heidi was a reality star.
dan friesen
Yes, she was friends with Lauren on the Hills.
They became friends when Lauren moved from the OC to the Hills and got a job working for a fashion magazine.
And so she...
I think she lived next door to Heidi.
jordan holmes
You just made me a Trump supporter.
Whatever accelerates the downfall of a country that could create Spencer and Heidi.
dan friesen
So they were friends, and then she started dating Spencer, and their friendship fell apart, and Heidi chose Spencer over Lauren.
It was a big betrayal.
jordan holmes
That's a lot of drama.
dan friesen
But beyond that, they were just shitheads.
And I know that reality show is manipulative in terms of their editing and stuff like that.
jordan holmes
I think this interview is going to prove beyond a shadow of a dead.
dan friesen
Even beyond that, you can just tell from their behavior in real life after the show how consistent it is with how they were portrayed on the show.
You could complain about editing if you want, and I'm sure they did some tricks.
But that's also you.
Be that as it may, Heidi and Spencer are in fucking Hawaii, and Alex Jones is thrilled to see them because they are proto-MAGA.
jordan holmes
Did they talk about the globalists on the hills?
dan friesen
No.
jordan holmes
Because that would have been...
See, now I want to go back.
We're doing a second investigation.
We want to find out when Alex Jones went all in on Trump, and we want to find out whether or not Heidi was...
Way into the globalists.
dan friesen
Well, Heidi wasn't.
I know that.
But she does spin it now on this interview with Alex that, like, because we were against globalism and because we were Christian conservatives, they edited me and turned me into a different character and wrote me off the show because if you don't play ball with the globalists, they're going to take you out.
And, you know.
jordan holmes
Alright, now I'm in.
Let's hear this shit.
unidentified
Okay.
jordan holmes
Get to it.
I want to find out what it is.
Also, did a meteor hit Hawaii while they were there?
dan friesen
Unfortunately not.
jordan holmes
Alright, so there is no justice in the universe.
dan friesen
I would like to say, too, the sound on this is a little bit eh, but that's just because Alex refuses to put the mic close to Heidi's face.
In his standard misogynistic approach to life, he's pretty good with giving Spencer the mic, but Heidi, she's too pregnant for me to get close to.
jordan holmes
Gotcha.
That sounds about right.
unidentified
It's great to see you, and a lot has changed in 10 years, not only with us, but the world, so it's great to see you in person.
Yeah, last time we saw you, we were, you know, super hated, and now we're pretty irrelevant.
Still hated.
Hated person that we know.
And I was like, you took our game.
And I was a little sad.
I was like, man, now he's super famous and everyone cares about what he's doing and nobody cares about Spidey anymore.
So we need our jeeps back here.
jordan holmes
He did what?
alex jones
I mean, to get serious, you guys did get in trouble because the big crime for reality TV stars, and you guys are out there at the top, is to become political.
It's come out, there's secret societies in L.A. with thousands of movie stars in them who aren't even liberal or conservative, just patriots.
Like Kurt Russell said, hey, I just like George Washington, the Second Amendment, free market, I don't want to live in North Korea.
You know, Second Amendment, you know, rich people have bodyguards, why can't the average person have a gun?
They even came after him for that.
jordan holmes
Sure, that makes sense.
alex jones
Or folks like Bruce Willis.
I know as a listener for over a decade.
And he just came out and said both parties are controlled.
jordan holmes
I am boycotting Ocean's 12 now.
alex jones
So you have to be a megastar like Clint Eastwood to even be able to be conservative in Hollywood.
Anybody else trying to break through politically, they gang up on and they destroy.
But it's good to be hated by the establishment.
The problem is if you're in reality TV, they can kick you off.
So break down what happened as soon as you came on the show.
unidentified
So we were chanting, death to the new world order.
About ten years ago after watching all your documentaries.
And then about a week later, we are no longer on television.
Where were you chanting?
And haven't had a consistent TV gig since then.
So if the New World Order is watching, you know, we still will not accept chips.
But, you know, we will take a gig in the established media because we have a baby.
We have some bills to pay.
So, you know, New World Order, we're available.
I never thought I would say this.
We'll take a check.
dan friesen
Fake laugh?
unidentified
Oh yeah.
But no, for real.
jordan holmes
So fake.
unidentified
Be careful what you say.
dan friesen
So, at the end there, Spencer is basically saying, we will play ball.
jordan holmes
I'm sorry, we need to refer to him by the name that he gave himself.
dan friesen
He didn't give himself that.
That's what the tabloids called them.
Spidey.
Spencer and Heidi.
unidentified
Oh!
jordan holmes
I thought he was calling himself Spidey.
dan friesen
No, no.
jordan holmes
Like Spider-Man.
dan friesen
Sorry, this is the lack of awareness on your part.
I should have explained that.
That's on me.
But he's saying, we'll play ball.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
We'll play ball.
I just want to check.
And Alex has to jump in there to do that horrendous fake laugh in order to make it seem like he's joking.
jordan holmes
They were joking.
dan friesen
He says it another time later.
unidentified
Yeah, of course.
dan friesen
Basically begging for, hey, come on.
We can do something.
And how I also know he's not joking, they've done so many sad reality shows since The Hills.
They've done a ton.
They were on at least two seasons of Big Brother.
They're just all over the place.
It's a mess.
They're a disaster.
jordan holmes
Right.
Well, he's blackballed from Hollywood because of his Christian conservative beliefs.
Christian conservative beliefs.
dan friesen
I would argue it's lack of talent.
jordan holmes
Well, judging by that interview, he is a font of charisma.
dan friesen
They aren't actors, really, and they're not convincing even when they're playing versions of themselves.
jordan holmes
They were playing themselves right there, and I hardly believed anything he was saying.
dan friesen
That's what I'm saying.
They're not convincing sitting on a beach with Alex Jones.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
But I would like to tell you that they're not just about acting.
It's not like that's all they do.
Also, Spencer was trying to launch Heidi's singing career.
jordan holmes
Oh, now there we go.
dan friesen
A little while back.
She had an album that included this song.
jordan holmes
I hate you, Dan.
You are not Jamaican me happy right now.
dan friesen
I'm not Jamaican.
jordan holmes
The vocals are low in the mix.
unidentified
Yes sir.
It's like, you know It's like Nirvana except for I mean, it's Write what you know.
dan friesen
This is auto-tuned as fuck.
Yeah.
It's atrocious, but wait until you get to the chorus.
jordan holmes
I don't want to get to the chorus.
dan friesen
The chorus is pretty offensive.
jordan holmes
Are we really doing this, dude?
dan friesen
Oh, we're doing it.
jordan holmes
What have we become?
Thank you guys so much for listening, and now we will punish you with...
dan friesen
Alright, sorry.
What is that?
I wanted to get to the chorus because it's like...
jordan holmes
Play the chorus!
I'm just going to talk shit over it the whole time.
dan friesen
They say I'm super...
Oh, it just happened.
jordan holmes
Oh, that was the chorus?
dan friesen
Yeah, they say I'm superficial.
They say I'm a bitch because I'm sexy, I'm famous, and I'm rich.
It's like...
unidentified
I don't think she can pull that one off.
jordan holmes
I don't think so.
That was the chorus?
Generally, you have to have some sort of change in the...
The chord structure?
dan friesen
The progression?
jordan holmes
Something along those lines?
dan friesen
I don't want to be just piling on Heidi and Spencer.
I think they're total fame whore assholes and have been for the better part of my adult life.
I've been aware of them as desperate mosquitoes, basically, just trying to suck any blood out of fame that they possibly can.
jordan holmes
And they're broke.
dan friesen
And Spencer was even saying that when he was talking to Alex.
He was saying, we used to be the most hated.
Now I'm jealous of you getting all the attention.
You took our game.
jordan holmes
Right.
unidentified
I need attention.
dan friesen
That's who he's been the entirety of my experience with him.
I love that Alex is so desperate for some sort of celebrity that this is acceptable.
jordan holmes
Do you think Alex...
Admittedly, they say they knew who Alex is.
Do you think they recognized Alex, or Alex told them who Alex was?
dan friesen
No, I think they probably got into his documentaries at some point.
Wow!
I bet that they watched, like, you know, 9-11 Road to Tyranny, or Loose Change, or the Obama Deception.
I bet they watched something that he's done.
jordan holmes
Or the Bourne Identity.
dan friesen
Look, they're idle.
They're idle.
Fake celebrities.
They have nothing to do.
They don't have jobs.
jordan holmes
That's true.
That is true.
dan friesen
They don't have fucking jobs and they somehow have enough money to be in Hawaii.
jordan holmes
Also, Blues Traveler just docks them.
dan friesen
Send out a picture of their bungalow in Hawaii.
Also, by the way, this is great looking Hawaii.
It doesn't look like there's much around.
It's sort of secluded.
Looks like the really expensive type of place to resort in Hawaii.
jordan holmes
Right on the beach.
Spencer and Heidi.
Are well known for budgeting appropriately.
dan friesen
I don't know where their money is coming from, but it's not important.
jordan holmes
Do you know that they do, like, club appearances?
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Did you know that that's how reality stars wind up making a lot of money?
They'll just show up at a club for an hour and make, like, ten grand?
Yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
It's nuts.
Yep.
jordan holmes
Can we do that?
dan friesen
I thought about it, like, not in terms of, like, I was considering it, but I thought about the logistics of it, and I think it would be miserable.
jordan holmes
Oh, of course.
Especially for us.
dan friesen
Yeah.
I mean, you'd have so many people expecting something of you, and it'd be brutal.
jordan holmes
I would love if we went into a club with some sort of Smirnoff kind of promotion going on, or perhaps a Jamaican Me Happy, and Seagram's.
Sponsor us.
dan friesen
Hit a player up.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Yeah, and then, you know, we both do ten minutes and we get out of there.
dan friesen
I know.
jordan holmes
You know how a lot of clubs, like the big kind where you dance and everybody's taking X?
That's 90s terminology.
unidentified
Right, right.
jordan holmes
I know it's M-D-A-M-A now.
Or E. Or E. Gross.
I learned about Dare.
That was the E in the Dare program, I believe.
I think it's education.
I don't think we're supposed to be in those clubs, Dan.
unidentified
No, we're not.
dan friesen
I don't think we'd be invited.
I think the last time I went to some dance dance club was in Missouri.
It was a place called Generic.
jordan holmes
And they played Dance Dance Revolution the whole time.
dan friesen
I did not, but I did almost get into a fight with the DJ.
Because I kept telling them to turn it down.
jordan holmes
Of course you did.
Of course you did.
dan friesen
It was like a pop and dance club.
jordan holmes
Of course you did.
dan friesen
I told him to turn it down and I told him, could you play something decent, please?
jordan holmes
And then he pulled up Heidi's album and was like, time to get this shit done.
dan friesen
Yeah, I'm the worst.
I don't belong in any of those fun places.
But anyway, they do go on to say that they were worried that they were going to get killed.
Like how celebrities get killed.
You know that.
unidentified
Of course.
dan friesen
The Illuminati globalists kill celebrities all the time when they are no longer worthwhile.
I don't care to air that, because I'm not here to talk about Spencer's delusion.
This is about Alex Jones.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
So, in this next clip, Spencer asks Alex, what's the deal with them Russians?
Okay.
jordan holmes
Here we go with Alex.
dan friesen
This is an interesting answer on a beach.
unidentified
What's the deal with the Russians?
Fill me in.
Is this all...
What's your honest, 100% take on this whole Russian thing?
alex jones
If you go to D.C. or New York, there are Russians and Chinese and people from India and people from Israel, people from the U.K., people from France, the EU, people from the Vatican and people from Saudi Arabia.
There are PR people and lobbyists crawling out of the walls.
And so Russians are constantly throwing sex ops at you, you know, hot blondes.
unidentified
Honey traps.
alex jones
Yeah, honey traps.
They're constantly, but they're like the subgroup.
The Russians about six, seven years ago cut back on that and mainly just use information, TV stuff.
But they're secondary players reorganizing their country.
The Communist Chinese have infiltrated every major company, defense company.
They're transferring everything back.
They're in all our computer systems.
Most of our chips get made there with back doors.
We put back doors in them.
It's a total cyber infiltration, AI system war.
So we're in an AI war with China.
China's got...
Massive acceleration war with genetic engineering, probably even way ahead of what we got.
It's totally insane.
jordan holmes
Spencer, how do you feel about all this?
alex jones
They had 20 years ago cows that create human milk, and they sell it on the market in China.
unidentified
Not true.
alex jones
Here it's not even in the news.
unidentified
Why is he telling Spencer about cows that create human milk?
alex jones
They are basically an old world country that's basically third world in many areas, and they're trying to reorganize.
They're seen as weak, so the globals are trying to overthrow it.
They want to put kind of a Hollywood social engineering thing to break the Russian will, to get rid of their Christian roots, because it's not compatible with globalism.
So Russia's crime is it got away from the very globalists that run our country, the very Bolshevik corporate system.
Trump and their people are being illegally surveilled massively by Obama, and so there's some basic Russian contacts by Senator Sessions.
That was his job.
jordan holmes
Why is Obama still...
alex jones
So they have the intercepts that can say, yeah, you met a couple of Russians here and there, when that's totally normal, and it's what senators do.
jordan holmes
And then Obama is in the background just walking by.
alex jones
And of course Donald Jr. meant to get dirt on Hillary.
They were getting dirt on Trump.
So that's what you do in opposition research.
So they take normal behavior and blow it up like it's this huge...
That's boring the shit out of me.
jordan holmes
Crimes!
Crimes!
Can be both molehills and mountains, Dan.
dan friesen
That's absolutely true.
But you know what is a great crime that Alex has just committed?
He made...
A Hawaiian vacation, boring as shit.
Like, if you're watching the video, too, of this, Heidi and Spencer are not entertained.
jordan holmes
Of course not.
dan friesen
Because he's just rambling on for fucking ever.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
About, he's like going into being on the show mode.
jordan holmes
Daylight?
dan friesen
What?
jordan holmes
Is it daylight out?
dan friesen
I would say, yeah, it's probably...
jordan holmes
What are we talking?
dan friesen
It's probably in the magic hour.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
I don't know.
jordan holmes
So, Alex is three quarters in the bag?
dan friesen
He might be a little drunk.
But be that as it may, this next clip I think is really telling.
And halfway through it, you'll...
unidentified
What?
jordan holmes
It's a really telling clip within the interview of Spidey.
dan friesen
Yeah, no, I think it is.
Because Alex Jones is most comfortable around people he wants to impress.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
And so he lets down some of his guard that he should have up.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
And if he is, in fact, drunk in Hawaii after a couple of these tiki drinks, that might be contributing to it.
But he asks Heidi and Spencer how real a reality shows.
Like, what's the most real reality show?
And then after that, Spencer asks him a question, and Alex Jones accidentally shows too many of his cards.
unidentified
Okay.
alex jones
How many of the reality shows from folks you've talked to and what you've experienced are 100% real?
And what would those shows be versus half real versus totally staged?
unidentified
I would say the only reality show that's 100% real is Cops.
Yeah, it's a hard...
You know, everything is for media.
It's on media.
It's for entertainment.
So at the end of the day, there's always going to be editing and producing.
alex jones
Well, I can tell you this.
When I throw a fit every once in a while and stomp off the stage or...
It's real.
In fact, let's just...
unidentified
Hold on, let's get that again.
Let's get that again.
alex jones
Here, let's ask the crew, is it real?
dan friesen
So we'll get back to this in a second, but Spencer was saying, let's get this.
He has pulled out his phone, and he is now doing like a video.
He's making a video of himself and Alex.
jordan holmes
Generally, I get very angry when people are like, has technology made us sadder?
But, yeah, no, I think we should get rid of technology.
dan friesen
So there's an InfoWars camera taping the entire scene, and Spencer has his phone out recording him and Alex being like, yeah, come on.
Give me one of these outbursts.
jordan holmes
Wait, they...
unidentified
It's not fake, huh?
alex jones
Is somebody calling the shots?
unidentified
No one's calling the shots.
dan friesen
That's Buckley.
unidentified
There's no telecompter.
There's nothing.
jordan holmes
It's real light happening as it happens.
unidentified
Super real light.
alex jones
That's what's funny.
People think they're like, somebody tell me what to do.
jordan holmes
I know, because he fucked my wife.
alex jones
I might tell myself what to do.
I wish I was sometimes.
I haven't seen anyone tell us.
unidentified
So, those viral clips of you getting all mad, yelling, you can't just turn that on for a shot?
Because I would love to get one of those clips.
alex jones
Oh, I mean, I could turn it on, but I feel that way, so I kind of let the dog off the leash.
unidentified
Is there some, like, a trigger line that I say that gets you worked up?
alex jones
Yeah, like tyranny, people trying to dominate and take control of our lives.
unidentified
Yeah, they are.
So, can we get a clip?
Just a little outburst?
alex jones
I mean, I'm in a good mood right now.
The thing is, I'm on air for hours.
And I start thinking about Hillary ruling over my family, that slug-murdering piece of crap who thinks we're all her slave better than us.
No, she's going to fail.
I just got to think about what a piece of crap she is and Bill Clinton and all the rest of them.
I had a weird dream last night that Bill Clinton was in public and Paula Jones was there on stage and he ran over gongs and was grabbing on her.
I just remember that just now.
I have nightmares about the Clintons.
unidentified
I was going to say, I am glad I don't have those dreams.
dan friesen
That's such a display of how fake his anger is.
That is undeniable proof that he just fakes it.
jordan holmes
I don't think that was...
I thought that was fake.
dan friesen
It is.
And it sounds exactly like a lot of times he goes.
jordan holmes
It does not sound exactly like...
Well, one, you would know better than me.
dan friesen
He's tired.
He's on day five or six of drinking in Hawaii.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
He's not in the same...
jordan holmes
I think he gave it a shot.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
And it didn't go so well.
And then revealed that he dreams about the Clintons.
Right.
I thought that was the big reveal that you had right there, because that creeps me out.
dan friesen
Oh, it's pretty creepy, but that's similar to his show, too.
Those weird flights of fancy that end up happening where he's like, why did I say that on air?
Like, that sort of shit.
But if you're watching the video of this, too, he ramps into, like, I hate the Clintons, they make me so mad!
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
You can see him just, like, putting it on.
It's incredibly fake.
jordan holmes
I think he tried, but he couldn't do it.
It was a very short outburst.
dan friesen
You know why I think that is?
I think it's because he got the sense that Spencer was using him.
He was trying to get his own viral clip or whatever.
But then again, why would Alex really care?
It would just give him more attention, too.
I don't know.
It's a mess.
I wish Alex would realize how many of his guests are trying to use him.
It's incredibly bizarre to think.
You start to take notice of it.
You start to realize all of these people are kind of just...
Spencer, in this case, is absolutely just one of those fish who clean algae off a bigger fish.
Like, he's just trying to get a meal.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
It's a mess.
Anyway.
jordan holmes
Yeah, what is he...
unidentified
Like, does he think that Alex is going to help him?
jordan holmes
Or just getting the attention is what he really...
He's just an attention whore.
dan friesen
Attention's a big part of it.
Also, the appearance of Alex's giant audience that he can maybe become relevant with.
Especially with Alex vouching for him as like a pre-it being cool to talk about the globalist.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
A hip guy who was woke before woke was woke.
unidentified
Right, right, right.
jordan holmes
No, there's a lot of old white men who have military service in their background who love Spencer.
dan friesen
Apparently now, yeah.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's certainly true.
dan friesen
And they never did before because they thought he was a shithead based on the fact that he's been a public shithead for over a decade.
jordan holmes
No, of course.
dan friesen
But now...
Because Alex Jones has explained it to them.
No!
Everyone presented them as being shitheads because they were Christian conservatives.
And that is not tolerable to the globalists.
So they had to attack their character in public.
As opposed to Spencer having his own advice column in, like, Stuff magazine or whatever.
jordan holmes
Wait, what?
dan friesen
I don't remember if it was Stuff.
jordan holmes
Why do you know so much about these people?
dan friesen
I had a dark period in my early 20s.
jordan holmes
There we go.
dan friesen
It was a mess.
Anyway.
jordan holmes
I was having dreams about Hillary Clinton.
dan friesen
Tentacles on Paula Jones.
jordan holmes
Alex Jones has absolutely had a sex dream about Hillary Clinton.
dan friesen
Undoubtedly.
jordan holmes
There's no doubt in my mind.
dan friesen
Undoubtedly.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
So that's about it for what we're going to talk about.
jordan holmes
I bet she was very tender.
dan friesen
I'd assume so.
Yeah.
That's it for Heidi and Spencer interview.
It's a half hour.
jordan holmes
Thank fucking Christ.
dan friesen
If you want to watch the rest of it, it's really boring.
Why would you?
But Spencer does say some really stupid shit.
So there's that if you want to enjoy that.
Also, just the rampant self-victim status giving, if that makes sense.
jordan holmes
Oh yeah, the three of them together almost certainly all believe that they are the only victims.
dan friesen
It's an intense triangle of straight white people who feel real bad for their lot in life, not realizing that maybe some of their actions led them to where they are.
jordan holmes
Which is...
In Hawaii on a secluded beach.
dan friesen
As we sit in an apartment in Chicago.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Ah, shit.
jordan holmes
Yeah, right?
A lot of our choices may not have been as good as theirs.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Anyway, we now go to August 1st, 2017, the Tuesday episode.
Alex has returned from Hawaii.
He was there up until then.
He gets back into studio, and what a world is waiting for him when he returns from vacation.
Let's count off some of the things that have happened since he went on vacation.
jordan holmes
How long has he been gone for?
dan friesen
He was gone for most of Scaramucci's tenure.
jordan holmes
That's true!
Scary Moochie came and left before Alex did.
dan friesen
Alex was around when he got in because he was talking about how great it was going to be.
jordan holmes
Okay, so we got Scary Moochie getting out.
Priebus was gone.
dan friesen
He was gone when Priebus left.
jordan holmes
Okay, that's right.
I remember that.
Trump admitted that he influenced Donald Trump Jr.'s statement.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
Which, again...
A crime?
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
How many crimes before we get enough crimes?
dan friesen
You need to get bingo.
jordan holmes
We got, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
You have to get five in a row.
That's the problem.
jordan holmes
That's gonna be tough.
dan friesen
The problem is these crimes are disconnected on the board.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's true.
dan friesen
Yeah, you have like the corners and shit.
We're not playing blackout here.
jordan holmes
No, no, no, no, no.
This is straight bingo.
dan friesen
Unfortunately, no free space.
Just to make it even harder.
jordan holmes
Well, currently he is living in a free space.
Yeah.
Okay, so we got that.
That's crime.
We've got...
What else?
Oh, that's right.
Donald Trump invented Seth Rich?
dan friesen
We'll get back to that.
Yeah.
Priebus, Spicer, and Scaramucci all gone in the time that he was on vacation.
jordan holmes
Oh, all of them?
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
No, I thought Priebus was still...
I thought Priebus was gone before he left.
dan friesen
No, no, no.
That was on Friday.
jordan holmes
Oh, that's right.
dan friesen
Alex was gone from, like, Wednesday or so.
jordan holmes
Okay.
So they're all gone.
dan friesen
Yep, all gone.
John Oliver has done his segment on Last Week Tonight.
Oh, yeah, that's right.
Alex comes back to a world where he doesn't know what to respond to, and I think he's really depressed.
Because his voice does not sound good.
jordan holmes
Uh-huh.
dan friesen
And not, like, the gravelly voice, but, like, he just...
He can't get much enthusiasm for stuff that...
This should be when you shine, baby.
This is like you, Alex.
You're under attack.
jordan holmes
Yeah, but you come back from a vacation.
You have that little...
No, no, no.
I totally get where he's coming from.
dan friesen
I don't.
Because you're in a war.
This is an info war.
He has presented it as such.
You can't have fucking lingering hangover from vacation getting in your way.
You have so much to attend to right now.
jordan holmes
Unfair.
Unfair, Dan.
dan friesen
You are a propagandist with the most difficult job in the world, and that is cover-up for Donald Trump's attempted cover-ups.
Everything he does keeps blowing up in his face.
Donald Trump, that is.
Alex Jones' job is to spin it positive.
Meanwhile, a HBO personality who you've already attacked and hate, Does, in your perceptions, a hit piece on you.
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
You come back to that world?
jordan holmes
One of the most respected late-night hosts of any kind.
Like, he's the guy that...
Good research staff.
Yeah, yeah, exactly.
He's got a great research staff.
dan friesen
Yeah.
But you come back...
jordan holmes
They could have called us, so they're not that great, but they're still a good research staff.
dan friesen
They did a good job.
They did.
Complicated feelings about how they painted him as so much of a snake oil salesman.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And didn't get in...
I mean, you can't do it in a 20-minute...
Fucking TV piece.
Get into all the details.
jordan holmes
Is that why our podcast is not one episode long?
dan friesen
Jesus.
unidentified
Shows are so long.
dan friesen
What my point is, is that if you are in that situation, and you want your audience to really believe that you think of it as a war, you can't come back in half-step on the first day.
jordan holmes
Yeah, you gotta come correct.
dan friesen
You need to come swinging.
Alex is just kind of like, I don't know.
But he does have some interesting narratives, and I've got a few clips of stuff to go over.
He had a stacked deck of all of his guests that he has on every day, basically.
Roger Stone, the good doctor, Dr. Feelgood himself, Jerome Corsi.
jordan holmes
Perfect.
I actually finally saw a picture of him because I watched that Alex Jones piece, and absolutely, I believe everything he says now.
dan friesen
What, that his shirt's too tight?
jordan holmes
True.
What else you got?
His pills cure stuff?
Of course.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Bone broth?
Sure.
dan friesen
Oh, wait.
You saw a picture of Dr. Corsi?
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
No, you saw a picture of Dr. Group.
unidentified
Oh, no, no.
jordan holmes
I saw a picture of Dr. Group.
That's right.
dan friesen
Dr. Group is the hippie doctor.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
Jerome Corsi is the propagandist.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
Who heads the DC office for InfoWars.
jordan holmes
Still haven't seen Corsi.
dan friesen
Oh, no.
His shirt's too tight.
I mean, he looks unhealthy.
Oh, okay.
But also, we got a guest appearance by Steve Pchenik.
He comes in.
Right.
jordan holmes
So we got our rotating cast of characters all picking up the slack for a little bit of a hungover Alex Jones.
dan friesen
Well, Corsi and Roger Stone are basically on every day.
At least Roger Stone is pretty much on every day.
And then Pchenik is on once a week or so.
It's a very standard rotation of guests.
It's kind of sad.
Like, you would think that if you had, you know, 40 million, 50 million people watching a week, you could get better.
jordan holmes
Better guests.
dan friesen
You could get people who actually have credibility, who have credentials, who have a track record of not being race baiters.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
You have a track record of people who haven't written fraudulent books about presidential candidates.
jordan holmes
People who haven't defended crimes by saying, I did those crimes.
dan friesen
People who haven't fed the birther shit.
People like Steve Pachanek, or unlike him, who believe that Sandy Hook actually happened.
jordan holmes
Right.
People who haven't pushed the Seth Rich story, which we now know to be wholly constructed out of...
dan friesen
Funny you should bring that up.
unidentified
Oh!
jordan holmes
Here we go!
alex jones
Roger Stone has a headline on InfoWars.com, an article by Paul Joseph Watson.
Seth Rich was partying with Imran Awan on the night of his murder.
Trump confidant claims link between MC Stafford death and disgraced Wasserman Schultz's aide.
jordan holmes
Wait, wait, wait.
So the aide for Debbie Wasserman Schultz, who was just fired for doing that stuff, they're tying her with Seth Rich?
unidentified
No, no, no.
dan friesen
This is a different aide.
This is one of the Awan brothers.
Are you aware of this conspiracy narrative?
unidentified
Uh-uh.
jordan holmes
Never heard this one before.
I want in.
dan friesen
This is going to be tough.
jordan holmes
How could it be tough?
dan friesen
There were these three Pakistani-born IT experts who were brothers.
The Awan brothers.
Wait.
jordan holmes
What?
dan friesen
What?
jordan holmes
She had working for her three IT specialist brothers.
dan friesen
Well, I don't think all of them worked for her, but they were all in congressional offices doing IT stuff.
jordan holmes
TV show now!
TV show now!
dan friesen
I don't know if we're going to be able to get the rights from them.
jordan holmes
What are you talking about?
It's called 3IT.
God damn it, Dan!
This rights itself!
They're brothers.
Look, they're trying to get through America, which is a different culture.
So we got that coming in.
dan friesen
Fish out of water.
jordan holmes
They're IT people, so we got all those kind of awkward interactions going there.
Big Bang Theory, suck my balls, because 3IT is coming for you.
And also...
dan friesen
Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm.
Alex Jones, with the help of Roger Stone, has now completely moved the narrative of the Seth Rich stuff.
He is now trying to tie it to this other conspiracy of these Pakistani IT experts who, they claim, were working with the Muslim Brotherhood.
And they were taking all of this information off of the DNC servers and confidential information and funneling it back overseas.
So they were up to some of that shit, some espionage stuff.
And were being aided and covered up by Debbie Wasserman Schultz.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
And maybe Seth Rich knew something about it, so they set him up and murdered him.
jordan holmes
Alright, this has NCIS written all over it.
dan friesen
Right, but what it doesn't have is any truth written all over it.
jordan holmes
Neither does NCIS!
dan friesen
Yeah, so the reason that they're doing this...
jordan holmes
Seriously, why would they hire that hacker?
Come on.
dan friesen
I don't know.
I don't know.
jordan holmes
Business casual, at least.
All right.
dan friesen
So, Alex is telling you about this story, and it's a Paul Joseph Watson article, and the source on it is Roger Stone.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
So, it's all just in-house, but they say Trump Insider Says.
jordan holmes
And Roger Stone is a Trump insider.
dan friesen
He is the insider.
They're quoting on it.
And Roger Stone comes on the show to lend credibility to the claims that he's making through Infowars.com.
It's just a crazy cycle of nonsense.
jordan holmes
That's a fantastic circle jerk they got going on there.
unidentified
Yeah, absolutely.
dan friesen
But they have to do this because the news just came out that Rod Wheeler, the guy who was the private eye that was hired by a rich Republican donor with ties to Trump...
I mean, it came out when the fucking thing broke.
Like, months ago it came out that he said, they told me what to say.
I didn't know any of that stuff.
But now he's suing.
jordan holmes
Have you seen the screenshot of that text message?
dan friesen
Which one?
jordan holmes
The one that they're using to kind of corroborate that evidence of somebody texting Wheeler, like, Trump saw the story and he's really happy with it.
dan friesen
I did not see that.
jordan holmes
Okay.
I'm just not sure if it's real.
I don't trust anything.
dan friesen
Sure, and let's be clear about this.
Rod Wheeler has already discredited himself.
With his behavior in terms of saying the things on Fox News that they told him to say, he's shown himself to be a public liar.
So the idea that now he's saying that Trump was involved with it and stuff like that, you have to take a step back and be like, I'm not sure if we can trust you.
We want to believe that, but...
You've already shown yourself to be a liar.
jordan holmes
You may be a private liar as well.
dan friesen
Right, and now the only reason that I'm inclined to believe it is...
jordan holmes
Private liar is also a character on 3IT.
dan friesen
And a great Hall& Oates song.
The only reason I'm inclined to believe it is that it is a big difference between saying something untrue on Fox News, which isn't illegal, that's very legal, and making an erroneous lawsuit.
jordan holmes
Saying something untrue in a lawsuit, yeah.
dan friesen
Especially against the president.
That's very illegal if you're just making fraudulent claims against them.
So that's possible.
And then it came out today that Sean Spicer released a statement that they did have a meeting.
That the donor, I can't remember his name.
jordan holmes
Rich White Dude.
dan friesen
Rich White Dude, who was behind the whole thing, did have a meeting with Sean Spicer.
jordan holmes
I feel like they don't have names.
I feel like they're just called Rich White Dude.
dan friesen
So it does look like, at very least, there was a concerted effort behind the scenes to push this as a story.
And now here is why I believe...
jordan holmes
It's quite literally a conspiracy.
dan friesen
Yeah.
And here's why I believe that this is incredibly necessary.
This has to be defended at all costs, by Alex, by his entire operation.
If it's shown to be not true, if all of their things fall apart...
And they can't keep moving the ball to different places, like this Awan brother's connection to the case.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And by the way, that whole thing about him partying with the Awan brother that night, that's just a rumor.
There's no backup of that.
That's just hearsay.
jordan holmes
Of course.
dan friesen
There's nothing to pin that down.
But the reason they have to do stuff like that is if it's shown to not be true, everything falls apart.
Because that is what they're hinging the Russia didn't do it narrative on.
They've already made it clear that they think that Seth Rich was the one who gave the emails to WikiLeaks.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
So if they don't have that piece in their fake narrative, then, well, it was Guccifer 2.0.
It was Russia.
At least your story is wrong.
Your version is absolutely wrong.
So it's very essential to them.
And now here's the other part that's really fucked up.
You start to look at who are the people who have...
Vociferously defended the Seth Rich was murdered by the DNC storyline.
jordan holmes
Well, your top build guy is Sean motherfucking Hannity.
dan friesen
You got Sean Hannity.
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
You have Alex Jones and the entire Infowar.
You have Mike Cernovich.
You have Cassandra Fairbanks.
You have Jack Posobiec.
You have Julian Assange.
jordan holmes
Ooh.
dan friesen
Julian Assange has repeatedly insinuated that Seth Rich was his source, which is not true.
It's absolutely not true.
But all of these people are connected in a propaganda web, and the fact that they're all pushing this narrative will be a huge problem if it falls, because it's so not true.
You understand what I'm saying?
I think...
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
I think that this is one area where the right-wing media is entirely exposed.
jordan holmes
Yeah, but we all know it's not true.
It's obviously not true.
Regardless of whether or not you prove something is true, doesn't mean that it's going to change their lie narrative.
dan friesen
Right, right.
jordan holmes
I mean, they won't be able to say it as publicly, but the people who want to...
No, no, no.
dan friesen
You're not understanding.
jordan holmes
No, I'm not understanding.
dan friesen
Maybe I didn't clarify.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Okay.
jordan holmes
Because I don't believe these fucks are exposed on any level since they don't live in reality.
dan friesen
Trump and the White House are implicated in creating a fraud diversion with the Seth Rich stuff.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Who is involved with the White House?
Roger Stone.
Who does Roger Stone have ties to?
Jack Posobiec.
All of these other right-wing dickholes.
Julian Assange.
It becomes clear that there's a network Yeah, that's true.
It makes it clear that what the reason for it is, who knows.
The allegiances are there.
They're pushing the same narrative against all odds.
jordan holmes
So whether or not the right...
dan friesen
Now to answer your other question about it being proven false, that's not what's important.
What's important is the fact that this story came out and they're going to be looking into Trump being implicated in this and having an active role in the campaign brings him way too close to the sphere of this stuff.
And so in order to protect him and protect this MAGA operation that they have going all the time.
jordan holmes
Somebody's gonna go down.
dan friesen
In order for them to make sure no one has to go down, like Roger Stone doesn't have to go to prison for this or anything like that, what they have to do is they have to create a new story in order to be like, this is fake.
This whole lawsuit is bogus, and they're only doing it because they knew we were going to release this news, that he was hanging out with the Awan brother.
jordan holmes
Okay, alright.
dan friesen
You change the narrative entirely to your indoctrinated audience, and then you don't have to deal with the fallout that everyone else is experiencing that is, holy shit, these craven motherfuckers are utilizing some dude's murder in order to take the heat off of what they clearly did.
If that makes sense.
jordan holmes
Wow!
What are we...
Do we...
unidentified
At what point do we just get to go, like, do-over?
jordan holmes
Like, one...
dan friesen
We won't.
jordan holmes
Trump should be in jail.
By all of the crime committing you can do, Trump has done all of them.
dan friesen
He's done plenty.
jordan holmes
So we're way past that.
Now we're just trying to get him out, right?
Like, I can't...
I can't really process the massive levels of, like, the only way that I can really get to the GOP not being able to do anything about this, not being able to actually unite long enough to go, not only has he committed all these crimes, but we're divorcing ourselves from them.
So the only possible explanation is that they know their constituents no longer believe in reality.
dan friesen
That's possible.
Or that it doesn't matter.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that has to be the only thing that I can think of is that if they succumb to the truth, then they will be hated by their lie-swallowing audience.
Like, you can't go back from their shit.
dan friesen
I mean, polls have shown that there are at least 30-something percent of people who still don't get it.
jordan holmes
Oh, well, not just that, but like...
50% of Republicans still don't think climate change is real, like all of that shit.
But that's not the point.
The point is there's no going back from their Fox Newsification.
They can't go back.
It has to be an entire generation of Republicans.
Before they can get past the Fox News world that they've created.
dan friesen
Yeah, I mean, the real heroes that we need in the world right now are like sane, rational, moderate Republicans.
jordan holmes
They're not heroes by no stretch.
dan friesen
No, but they could help a lot.
jordan holmes
Well, I mean, they will be...
Well, the crazy thing is they'll be portrayed as heroes.
Like the same way McCain was.
And how about misogyny for that one?
You know, that whole thing.
dan friesen
That's nonsense.
jordan holmes
They will be betrayed as heroes.
They have to have seen that, right?
They have to have seen that McCain has been getting a lot of accolades for his bullshit.
dan friesen
And Murkowski, too.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
But be that as it may.
jordan holmes
Not as much as...
dan friesen
Not as much as she deserves.
But be that as it may.
I don't know if...
jordan holmes
Or none of them deserve...
That's a complicated thing.
dan friesen
Yeah, let's not...
jordan holmes
Let's burn it all down.
dan friesen
Yeah, let's do that.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Look, I don't know what the answer is.
I don't know...
How we get back to normal or anything like that, I don't think it's possible, probably.
jordan holmes
Well, I think it's bomb North Korea, obviously.
That's how we get back to normal.
You know what it is?
dan friesen
It's like an underwater cave.
Sometimes you have to go down to get back up.
You can't push up, because then you're going to drown.
You've got to go down further.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
So you've got to bomb North Korea.
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
We've got to suspend the Constitution.
jordan holmes
That's the great way to go.
dan friesen
Commit martial law.
jordan holmes
Perfect.
dan friesen
Put more shit in the water.
jordan holmes
I'm going to go with military coup would also be nice, too.
dan friesen
Sure, why not?
jordan holmes
Yeah, let's throw that one in.
dan friesen
Turn the United States into a junta.
jordan holmes
Oh, absolutely.
That'd be fun.
dan friesen
So, Alex is...
jordan holmes
And then elect Erdogan Secretary of State while at the same time being President of Turkey.
dan friesen
Love it.
jordan holmes
I can't believe...
dan friesen
No conflict of interest there?
jordan holmes
No, none.
dan friesen
Perfect.
I mean, about as much as we have now.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that is not far off.
dan friesen
So this Seth Rich shit is pretty shameful, but I do want to say I withhold judgment on the Awan Brothers stuff just because all the information I can find on it is so speculative, and I don't know.
I don't have any...
jordan holmes
Judging by who it's coming from, it is...
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
I put it at 95% most likely false.
dan friesen
I can't find enough information to discredit it, is what I'm saying.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And I am certainly not in the boat of saying that there isn't corruption in the Democratic Party, too.
unidentified
Oh, of course.
dan friesen
So, you know, someone fucking around and maybe, like, stealing shit, well within the possibility.
Now, the idea that this is some, like, big connection and that Seth Rich was partying with him and set up the murder, that I don't believe at all.
But, you know, all that other stuff.
Anyway.
jordan holmes
I like it.
dan friesen
Anyway, Alex Jones has to grapple with the news of Scaramucci going down.
jordan holmes
Yeah, what's his angle on that?
dan friesen
He does so in this little clip, and I believe this is actually him saying a quote from Roger Stone.
I accidentally cut out the beginning where he said, Roger says this.
alex jones
I don't think Scaramucci's going to survive these tirades with these reporters.
And of course, now we know that he was baited by fake emails.
Spoofing reporters' emails to manipulate him into that.
jordan holmes
Isn't the timeline on that backwards?
dan friesen
A little bit.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
The prankster, the email prankster, those emails were after.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Actually, it was after Reince had been fired.
jordan holmes
Well, it would have to be after the New Yorker story.
dan friesen
Yeah, yeah.
But he also has it wrong.
This guy, he...
Pranked a bunch of administration officials, not by posing as a reporter, but by posing as other officials.
Yeah.
And most of them gave him information willingly.
jordan holmes
Immediately.
dan friesen
Yeah, like one guy gave him his email address, his personal email address and shit.
There's no protocol.
jordan holmes
We are, by the grace of Bob, we are saved by their utter...
And all-consuming incompetence.
This is the dumbest group of people that has ever run anything, ever.
dan friesen
Totally.
Totally.
jordan holmes
I mean, at least the Borgias were conniving.
They knew how to get what they wanted.
Sure, they threw away all of the Catholic religion and splintered off into Protestantism.
But come on!
At least they knew what they were fucking doing on a day-to-day.
dan friesen
I dove into an accidental rabbit hole last night because I saw some tweets that were arguing that...
jordan holmes
There are a lot of rabbits in Chicago.
dan friesen
There are.
They're just outside these apartments.
Just nibbling on grass right outside.
jordan holmes
Bunch of little holes.
dan friesen
I fell into one of those holes because I saw a tweet that was talking about how al-Sadir, the head of Iraq, or the cleric from Iraq, the Shia cleric, he went to Saudi Arabia and met with the crown prince, I believe.
He was the crown prince.
jordan holmes
That's an interesting choice.
dan friesen
Yeah, and so this tweet I was reading was making the argument that Trump facilitated this.
Because he's a genius.
And meanwhile, he doesn't want you to know these negotiations are going on, so he creates all this chaos in order to distract you from the fact that blah blah blah.
jordan holmes
What?
dan friesen
Yeah.
So I was like, is there any credibility to this?
And so I looked into it and no.
I mean, it is rare.
It's been like a decade since.
jordan holmes
Okay, stop.
Trump does not know the difference between Sunni and Shia.
dan friesen
No.
jordan holmes
So, we're done.
dan friesen
No.
jordan holmes
That's over.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
That entire argument is over.
dan friesen
Right.
But he could still, you could still be a genius by being like, hey, why don't you tell me what you want to happen?
You could know nothing about this, like the entire conflict, and just be like, what would you like me to enforce?
Both sides, let's agree on it now.
What do you want?
Let's do it.
jordan holmes
Do you mean that's the Kushner-Israel-Palestine talks right there?
dan friesen
I imagine.
jordan holmes
What do you guys want?
Well, you both can't have it.
I guess we gotta stop.
dan friesen
That's weekend dad negotiating.
That's weekend stepdad.
jordan holmes
Like Alex Jones.
dan friesen
But anyway, I fell into that rabbit hole.
The reason it came to my head was because you were saying they're so inept.
And it is.
Everything is incredibly inept.
But there are people like that guy who wrote that tweet who create these other realities for people to live in, these other narratives, much like Alex, where you're like, no, you don't get it.
He's secretly doing all of this amazing stuff and fucking up wildly in public in order to make you think that he's a bumbling fool, man.
jordan holmes
Well, imagine, so like with my family that voted mostly Trump.
Like, imagine having to come to grips with the fact that you thought you were a clever, smart person, and you wound up voting for the dumbest, dumbest, dumbest administration in all of the time.
dan friesen
That would be tough.
You would need that burn ointment that is these...
Fake ideas about Seth Rich.
jordan holmes
Because then you would have to admit that you were conned.
Nobody wants to admit they were conned.
dan friesen
Everybody's got to learn to laugh at themselves a little bit.
Everybody falls for something here and there.
And if you do, whoops.
That's a much better response to have than, fuck, I will not be made a fool of.
jordan holmes
Well, my response the last time I fell for something was, are you sure it's gonorrhea?
Mm-mm.
unidentified
Just gonna fucking let that sit there.
jordan holmes
You're gonna make me eat that one.
You're gonna make me eat that one?
That one's on you.
unidentified
I don't like you on fucking Jamaican Me Happy.
dan friesen
That is not Jamaican Me Happy.
unidentified
Look, you put a song by Heidi in here.
jordan holmes
Don't be superficial.
dan friesen
Don't be superficial.
jordan holmes
I get one.
You got one, I got one.
We're both at negative one point for this episode so far.
dan friesen
Fair enough.
Alright, so look, generally this episode is really boring.
The August 1st, 2017 episode is a tremendously boring effort on Alex's part.
Like I said, he doesn't have the verve that he usually would or should have in this situation.
But he does say some stuff that I think is worth noting and worth discussing.
Here in this next clip, he jumps into something about...
It's a really good demonstration of his tremendous fear of Muslims.
alex jones
Let's expand on that.
If you go back to 9-11, it was in major newspapers at the time that the FBI said it's as if Al-Qaeda had people at the top of the FBI.
Well, we know with people like the man heading up the witch hunt right now, Mueller, he has major contacts with the Democratic Party.
His law firm gives 99.8% of their money to the Democrats.
They get massive money from the Saudis, the Pakistanis.
He's the guy that had the FBI in his 10-year tenure.
dan friesen
Tenure, tenure.
alex jones
Radical Islam off of the list of terror groups when they are responsible for 99%.
jordan holmes
You can't...
Radical Islam was not on the list in the first place.
dan friesen
No.
jordan holmes
That's too broad.
dan friesen
Very much.
Yeah.
And also, I mean, this is just that thing that he gets really mad about all the time, that is the, like, why wouldn't you call it radical Islam?
That's the problem.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
The reason that you wouldn't do that is you don't want to create the perception of a holy war and you don't want to alienate possible Muslim allies.
jordan holmes
Some people do.
dan friesen
Yeah, Alex doesn't sort of get that.
He thinks it's political correctness run amok as opposed to good strategy.
And then the other thing is Muslims, radical or not, do not create 99% of the terror in any...
Cross-section of the world.
jordan holmes
Especially not America.
dan friesen
No, certainly not.
alex jones
It's white people.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
It's white folk.
dan friesen
It's a lot of eco-terrorism, it turns out, is actually one of the largest portions of terrorism in the United States.
A bunch of environmentalists and stuff like that.
unidentified
Really?
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Ooh, I don't know who I'm on that team with.
dan friesen
It's very complicated.
jordan holmes
That is complicated.
dan friesen
You know, they do that burning down shit.
There's a lot of arsons that environmentalists end up doing.
It's pretty wild.
jordan holmes
They're putting a lot of CO2 into the air.
That's concerning.
dan friesen
It's clean arson.
They have arson, but they're scrubbers.
jordan holmes
Bring arson back.
Make arson great again.
We need our arson jobs.
There we go.
dan friesen
Mara.
Make America arson.
Anyway.
Yeah, the statistics are really interesting.
The fact that that is a large chunk of the...
But also, if you look into terrorism, the broad definition and the statistics that are kept, a lot of stuff that you wouldn't think is terrorism falls under that category.
A lot of really intense vandalisms and stuff like that.
jordan holmes
Bringing 16 items to the 10-item checkout.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
That counts.
dan friesen
Absolutely.
unidentified
That makes me furious.
dan friesen
Someone listening without headphones to music on the train?
jordan holmes
Ooh, yeah, absolutely.
dan friesen
So anyway, Alex goes on.
alex jones
Terror.
And then we ask, why is the Muslim Brotherhood being back to the Arab Spring?
Why is Al-Qaeda and ISIS being back?
Why?
Why is Hillary staying in the same bed as Uma Abedin and her Islamic family?
jordan holmes
Wait, what?
alex jones
Is an Islamic woman leading the feminist movement in the country teaching women to wear burqas?
Why is the USA today saying wear burqas if you're a feminist?
Why is it everywhere?
Why is everything Islamified?
Why wouldn't I...
dan friesen
So, yeah, his conception is...
unidentified
Islamified?
dan friesen
Yeah, his conception is that Hillary and Huba Abedin are lovers.
They'd be banging.
He just bases that off, again, rumor and gossip.
Good for them.
jordan holmes
Good for them.
Both their husbands are cheating on them.
They find each other at the right time.
dan friesen
Absolutely.
unidentified
No, no, no.
jordan holmes
I'm very happy with that.
I'm on board with that.
dan friesen
But he also believes that she's seduced Hillary Clinton in order to get her to be a mole working for the Muslim Brotherhood.
Because Whom Abedin has Muslim Brotherhood ties.
It's a whole thing.
It's Larry Nichols shit.
It doesn't matter.
jordan holmes
That's a fun narrative.
I like that one.
dan friesen
And then the other stuff, he's super mad at Linda Sarsour for being involved with feminism causes.
jordan holmes
Who's Linda Sarsour?
dan friesen
She is a lady who, she's an activist, and she has been involved in the Women's March in D.C. and stuff like that.
Alex is really pissed off because she wears a hijab, and he just thinks that...
You know, they're trying to get women to submit to Sharia law.
jordan holmes
Hmm.
dan friesen
And having this Muslim woman, who is a woman, first of all, head up this feminism thing, they're just trying to trick these trendies into...
jordan holmes
What if Alex saw her in a Starbucks?
Or even a party supply store?
dan friesen
He would get freaked out.
jordan holmes
He would get freaked out!
dan friesen
Yeah.
So, I mean, she's just one of his favorite boogeymen, boogeywomen, and he insists she has deep ties to George Soros and is like a globalist operative trying to bring Islam into dumb liberals.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
Because they want to be dominated, really, and that whole thing.
dan friesen
Women, feminists secretly just want to be beat up by Muslim men.
jordan holmes
We all know that.
I did just get why it is that you can still...
Bitch about Hillary, if you're these guys, is because she's a globalist.
So even if she's not president, she's still one of those high-ranking members.
She's not president, but she's still in the Illuminati.
dan friesen
Yeah, yeah, basically.
jordan holmes
She's still behind the scenes.
dan friesen
Yeah, I mean, Larry Nichols, his whole thing was that Hillary was going to become president and then appoint Bill to be the ambassador to the UN.
And then within a couple months, he was going to be the Secretary General of the UN, and then as a couple, they would control the world.
jordan holmes
Holy shit.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
Can you imagine the right-wing outrage at a president appointing a family member to a high-ranking position?
dan friesen
It would be nuts.
jordan holmes
They would lose their minds at that idea.
dan friesen
It would be so crazy.
jordan holmes
They would be like, this is nepotism and shit.
They would do the whole thing.
dan friesen
They were fucking mad when Obama's daughter went to Lollapalooza.
jordan holmes
That's right.
dan friesen
What the fuck?
jordan holmes
Well, that's the globalist playbook right there.
dan friesen
Yeah.
unidentified
So he has a few more comments about Islamification, I guess.
alex jones
Tune in to...
Trevor Noah or John Oliver, anybody that's attacking me, they say Jones is scum.
He claims Muslims are involved in crime and that Muslims are unvetted and that some Muslims have diseases.
unidentified
I don't think either of them talk about that at all.
alex jones
It's a fact they're pouring in with crime.
Just look at Europe.
This is the untouchable God group and it looks like they just infiltrated our wide open government.
I mean, the owner of Chobani Yogurt.
He's on the New York Federal Reserve Board that runs our country.
dan friesen
So, a couple things there.
Him talking about...
jordan holmes
That's not good.
I wouldn't do that if I were him.
dan friesen
Oh, don't bring Hamdi Alakaya back up.
jordan holmes
No, I wouldn't do that.
Alex, that's not a good idea.
dan friesen
Yeah, so that number one is bad.
Because he's also lying about him again.
He's not on the New York Federal Reserve Board.
We went over that on the episode about him.
That's not true at all.
He was an advisory member years ago.
And is not anymore.
And it was the advisory member of upstate New York.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
Some regional thing.
jordan holmes
It was the most nothing that could be nothing.
dan friesen
Yeah, just a collection of business owners who give feedback to the Federal Reserve.
unidentified
Right.
jordan holmes
Ooh!
Boy, that isn't legally actionable, though, of course.
unidentified
No.
jordan holmes
Because it's like, wait, that's not slander.
dan friesen
No, it's a lie, but yeah.
jordan holmes
Yeah, but it's almost a compliment.
dan friesen
Yeah, yeah.
It's, all it is, is just trying to create more powerful victims for Alex to be attacking.
unidentified
Of course.
dan friesen
Or to be attacked by.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
But then beyond that, him talking about people, like, TB is streaming in and stuff like that.
jordan holmes
Man.
dan friesen
We went over that again.
jordan holmes
Sure wouldn't be afraid of that if we all had vaccines.
dan friesen
Yeah, that'd be nice.
jordan holmes
That'd be, oh man, Alex, Alex, let me get rid of one of your fears.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Get a TB vaccine.
dan friesen
I think he probably did.
You got soft killed.
But that stuff is from the same thing.
Those fear narratives came out of the Breitbart stories about Idaho.
And we went over that.
There were six cases of TB or something like that, and they were all treated.
jordan holmes
I feel like this is going to be a heavy, we already went over that episode.
dan friesen
Yeah, but don't you see, too, in his tone of voice, there's just a defeatedness?
There's like a...
jordan holmes
And he's throwing up old shit, too.
dan friesen
Real old.
jordan holmes
That's a little bit surprising, because by now he should have had a new narrative.
dan friesen
And, get this, this next clip, he brings up something super old, and it's embarrassing, but...
jordan holmes
Y2K?
Is he afraid of a new Y2K?
dan friesen
No, but I did find a clip where he talks about that.
jordan holmes
Of course!
dan friesen
That's on a future episode.
jordan holmes
Of fucking course!
dan friesen
He talks about how he was angry at Putin in 2000, and maybe he was wrong to be mad at him.
jordan holmes
Oh, boy.
dan friesen
Yeah.
We're going to get to that next episode.
unidentified
Okay, all right.
dan friesen
But be that as me, in this clip, get real excited because the intro music is hot.
unidentified
If it's Heidi, I swear to God I'm going to kill you.
dan friesen
It's not.
Okay.
After the intro music, Alex Jones talks and it gets substantially less hot.
alex jones
It's a confidence game.
I don't have a degree in psychology or a doctorate or a medical doctorate.
jordan holmes
You don't even have an associate.
alex jones
But just growing up, I noticed people who were delusional.
They'd be like five years old and be a little girl imagining she was a princess.
Or you'd be a little kid imagining you were Superman.
But after about age three, I remember saying to my friends, I don't want to play Superman because I'm not really Superman.
jordan holmes
You are the most boring three-year-old ever.
alex jones
And then you go around people in life that just, they get on these power trips and they just think they're invincible and they always make the biggest mistakes in business, in life, you name it.
dan friesen
Don't fade that music down.
alex jones
And I don't know what you call that, but I look at the Democrats, the Republican leadership, you name it.
They're on these power trips, the looks on their faces.
I wouldn't buy a car from them.
If they were my neighbor, I'd be freaked out by it.
They just look crazy.
I mean, Hillary, all the time, looks insane.
Walking around, like, seething, with her eyes bugged out, like she just snorted a bunch of methamphetamine with a big, weird crocodile smile on her face, with a bunch of other weird sycophants running around behind her.
I don't know what you call this psychologically, but it diseases them.
And now we've got Nancy Pelosi.
Every time she speaks almost saying George W. Bush is still president and not knowing what legislation is.
They think that Trump's in bed with an attack on Korea with Putin.
I mean, these people have less knowledge than a junior high student.
dan friesen
That's fascinating.
That is from six, eight months ago?
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
This is from early on in the show.
jordan holmes
That one's way old.
dan friesen
That is one time Nancy Pelosi had a slip of the tongue.
One time Maxine Waters had a slip of the tongue and said Korea when she meant Crimea.
Nancy Pelosi accidentally said George W. Bush when she meant to say Trump.
jordan holmes
Well, that means she's a junior high student.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
It's a slip of the tongue that happened once.
And Alex, he keeps saying...
jordan holmes
He's got fucking...
unidentified
Nothing!
dan friesen
He's saying that they keep saying it.
That it's just constantly happening.
They're senile.
They're crazy.
Look at them.
They're out there saying George W. Bush is president.
He's creating the perception for his dumbass audience that, you know, hey, they...
It's a lingering thing as opposed to a slip of the tongue.
jordan holmes
Yeah, those people who just think they're invincible are the ones who commit the worst mistakes in business.
A lot of those people will file for bankruptcy.
Not once, but maybe four...
To eight times.
unidentified
Right.
jordan holmes
Somewhere in between there.
dan friesen
They'll put their name on a steak company.
jordan holmes
Oh, yeah.
A lot of those people will, you know, just say some flat-out slanderous shit, and they'll get sued.
Like, it'd be terrible if they did that.
dan friesen
And then sometimes they accidentally become president and then say that transgender people can't be in the military, and then their whole military's like, nah.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
They get cucked out by their own military.
jordan holmes
Oh, man.
dan friesen
So, anyway.
Yeah.
I just love the idea, generally speaking, of Alex Jones talking about people being crazy.
Because that's wild.
jordan holmes
And we're going to bring in Spencer Pratt to kind of talk a little bit more about these people being crazy.
dan friesen
Spencer Pratt's going to be on the show to talk about how all these Democrats really just want attention and are willing to do anything to get it.
jordan holmes
Oh, yeah.
And he's going to be talking to my personal trainer as well.
We're going to get them all in here.
We're going to get a Skype three-way.
dan friesen
And he'll just end up us talking about how it's okay to be...
Abusive to women.
Muscling in.
Anyway, the other thing that I wanted to point out there is his description of Hillary Clinton.
Eyes bulging out like she's done methamphetamine.
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
Describing himself, and he has done meth multiple times in his life.
jordan holmes
And he is surrounded by sycophants.
dan friesen
Absolutely.
Buckley.
Anyway, this next clip.
jordan holmes
Alex, could you...
Please stop sleeping with my wife.
dan friesen
Which one?
unidentified
Which one?
dan friesen
Anyway, this next clip...
jordan holmes
You know which one I liked the most.
unidentified
Number four?
Yeah.
dan friesen
Yeah, she was great.
Anyway.
jordan holmes
I like the idea of the two of them reminiscing over his wife.
dan friesen
We're on to number seven now, probably.
Four is three back.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
So, as we mentioned, Alex Jones has a lot of stuff on his plate at the moment.
One of those things is that John Oliver, on Last Week Tonight This Week, put out a piece.
It was a 20-minute exploration of Alex Jones'supplements, and he went pretty hard on them.
Did expose a lot of the stuff that we've talked about, like how Dr. Group is a chiropractor.
Yep.
unidentified
The only difference is they actually contacted the schools.
dan friesen
I knew what Alex was going to do.
And it's not as bad as the Bon Iver thing, because the Bon Iver stuff he can actively use as propaganda on his own show.
He can twist it and make it, you know, propaganda.
With this, I saw the avenue of defense really easily.
Like, it's so clear what it is.
I think I even texted you what he was going to do, and it's just, he's going to say that the globalists are trying to cut off my money supply.
They've already attacked us by taking us off Google Ads.
They keep trying to discredit me.
And they know that they can't take me down.
I don't rely on advertising.
I just rely on you getting the pills.
You getting all of my supplements.
jordan holmes
So this time they went after the supplements.
dan friesen
Right.
And this is the great globalist attack that I've been telling you is going to come.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
And that more or less is what he...
jordan holmes
That is his narrative?
dan friesen
That is basically his response to it.
But again, he says that they're lying about all of his stuff.
jordan holmes
Boy, they are not.
dan friesen
They're not, but it's interesting.
jordan holmes
They did exactly what we hope to do, which is take him in context.
And they did a great job.
dan friesen
They did, but there's a greater context that they missed.
Like, John Oliver did mention The Globalist a couple times, but he didn't really...
Audiences probably glanced past that, not realizing what he was talking about.
But be that as it may, you might be surprised by exactly what really sticks.
In Alex's crawl about the Oliver Report.
jordan holmes
Ooh, man.
Oh, it's the shirtless pic!
dan friesen
No, it's not.
jordan holmes
No, goddammit!
dan friesen
The vanity of Alex would make you think that that's the case.
It's not.
It's actually, I don't think you could possibly guess.
alex jones
To make it sound like we're dirty and bad, we're so kooky, he says we sell the dust of dead domesticated birds, like we're killing parrots or something.
Now imagine if I said, We sell the meat of dead domesticated birds.
dan friesen
Okay.
alex jones
That sounds gross.
If we sold chicken.
dan friesen
Fine.
alex jones
But they make it sound bad.
And they even attack that we sell coffee.
High quality, southern Mexican, high mountain, volcanic.
unidentified
Nice pivot.
jordan holmes
Nice pivot.
alex jones
Super high quality coffee.
jordan holmes
Turn it into an ad.
dan friesen
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Added chemicals in it and stuff like that.
That's what people are making fun of.
Not coffee, the fact that you have vitality coffee and stuff like that.
He's misleading even in his attempts to say that people are misleading you.
jordan holmes
If you're a fan of Thrilling Adventure Hour, you could call Alex the king of coffee.
dan friesen
Indeed.
alex jones
Five dollars less than they sell it in Whole Foods.
We get it from the exact same Chiapas Farmers.
unidentified
Chiapas.
alex jones
I drank the coffee 20 years ago.
I love it.
I went, made the connections.
We get it from the farmer co-ops for five dollars less than it is in stores.
It's a good deal.
Wake Up America Coffee.
They want to make fun of the fact that we sell things.
dan friesen
So this is the other defense that he has, is that everybody just wants to make fun of the fact that, like, I sell things.
Everybody sells things.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
It's like, that's not, you don't get it.
Also, I want to say that Steve Pachanek is on hold this entire time.
jordan holmes
Of course!
Of course!
dan friesen
He's already talked to Steve for about a couple minutes, and then he goes on this long rant.
The clip that I have pulled is six minutes long, and I don't have all of it.
So Steve Pachanek is on Skype, just holding and not saying anything for maybe ten minutes.
jordan holmes
Oh, that sucks!
That's why you shouldn't do Skype interviews with Alex.
Like, at least if you're...
Like, if you're on the phone, you can at least, like, do something else while he's talking.
But if you're on the Skype interview, you're just kind of standing there.
dan friesen
Yep.
He's like, I fucking wrote books with Tom Clancy.
What am I doing?
He just has me on hold to scream about John Oliver for ten minutes?
Anyway, back to this.
alex jones
So here's a brief clip of him engaging in alchemy, making it sound weird that we sell a high-quality bone broth formula with turmeric, chaga mushroom, bee pollen, and more superfoods.
Here it is.
john oliver
A chocolate-flavored drink mix made from bee pollen, stevia, and the dust of chicken skeletons.
Now, according to InfoWars, it is one of the most popular new health trends in the world today.
unidentified
And by the look on Jones' face, it tastes exactly as good as it sounds.
alex jones
Pour that in on a couple of ice cubes.
It helps the taste when it's creamy and thick.
dan friesen
So, you can't tell because of the overlapping audio here.
But two things.
If you haven't seen the John Oliver piece, he plays a clip of Alex sitting down with Buckley, and he takes a drink of the caveman.
And he grimaces.
He will later try and be like, I was surprised at how good it tastes.
But it's not.
It's very obvious.
The second thing, Alex has Picture in a Picture going on Infowars.com right now.
So they're playing the John Oliver video, and he's on the side.
So a video of him fake laughing.
You'll hear laughter over this, that's Alex, and it's him doing insane fake laughter, trying to show that, like, I don't even care, look how stupid they are.
unidentified
Right, right, right.
dan friesen
And it's, again, it's Heidi and Spencer level acting.
It's terrible.
jordan holmes
Jeez, shit all over Spidey.
alex jones
And it's got all the bone broth and so much more.
This is why the ancients, they believe, had such better bones, were so much healthier, you can look it up.
You could freeze this, and this would be better than, like, Bluebell chocolate ice cream.
jordan holmes
There's the grimace.
john oliver
I know for a fact that Alex Jones did not enjoy drinking that glass of Caveman, because I have got a glass of Caveman right here, and I can confirm to you that it tastes...
unidentified
It tastes exactly how you imagine a drink would taste.
alex jones
Okay, I'm going to stop right there.
I'm going to do an analysis of this today or tomorrow.
It's a 20-minute piece.
unidentified
He spent the whole show on it, basically, and it's all lies.
alex jones
He says, Jones spends close to 25% of his time plugging products.
If you count plugs on air and the ads, that's the standard for broadcast radio and TV.
Okay?
25% of an hour is 15. And that's the industry average 30 years ago.
It's more like 19 minutes now.
So we have less than the industry standard of radio and TV broadcasts.
dan friesen
So here is what Alex is doing.
He is a big fan of double counting things.
And so when John Oliver says on one of the shows we analyzed 25% of the show was him talking about his pills or directly selling them.
And I just say pills as a placeholder, whatever.
Alex saying that 15 minutes of the show every hour is ads is not...
That's not honest.
We know.
jordan holmes
Because 15 minutes of the show is station ads.
dan friesen
No.
Well, yeah.
jordan holmes
And then another 15 minutes is his ads.
dan friesen
Well, yes.
Because we know from...
We have a copy of his contract.
His syndication contract.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And...
12 minutes.
jordan holmes
Which is freely available, inexplicably.
dan friesen
It's on Infowars.com.
It's there.
12 minutes of the 15 minutes that are commercials that are on the show go to the station in question.
They can play their own ads.
Then three minutes go to Alex.
So Alex, the arrangement is supposed to be that is how he gets paid because there is no fee to syndicate the show.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Now what he's not taking into account is that that is the 15 minutes.
The 12 minutes that the station gets, Is their incentive to run your goddamn show.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
That has nothing to do...
Like, you just give that up.
The fact that you spend...
I would say probably 25 is generous.
jordan holmes
That's what I was thinking the whole time.
dan friesen
In terms of a percentage...
jordan holmes
I thought Alex was lying about what John Oliver actually said.
dan friesen
I'm going to start keeping track.
I'm going to buy a stopwatch.
And I'm just going to keep track.
jordan holmes
Your phone has a stopwatch.
dan friesen
I can't do it while I'm watching the episodes, though.
Because I'm always on my phone at work.
I'm watching YouTube work.
jordan holmes
Dan, Dan, this is not something to admit publicly.
dan friesen
This is not a great life.
jordan holmes
This is like you're attacking Hamdi Ulukaya.
dan friesen
Well, look, so Alex Jones is double dipping in the same way that Trump's budget double counts money, in the same way that Alex...
jordan holmes
The most recent one triple counts it.
dan friesen
And Alex Jones double and triple counts audience things and YouTube hits and all that stuff.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
He's doing the exact same thing with advertising time.
And this is why people...
Make fun of you for doing so many ads.
It's because it's unethical.
The thing that is appropriate is commercial time.
Show time.
Commercial time.
Show time.
Commercial breaks.
It's unethical for you to sell products manipulatively into what we're seeing right now.
He sold coffee in the middle of this, what's supposed to be analysis, media analysis, or defending myself against John Oliver.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
Just throws in a completely superfluous plug for the coffee.
That's unethical.
This is ten minutes of the show.
So if this is ten minutes of one of the hours, that's one-sixth right there.
This isn't the only plug he did.
jordan holmes
Nope.
dan friesen
And that doesn't count the commercial time.
In that hour would be 15 minutes.
That's 25 minutes of the hour already.
That's covered by some sort of commercial.
Does another commercial probably five minutes, let's say?
That's an entire half that's taken up by non-content.
jordan holmes
And even then, a lot of his ads are...
Like, a lot of his narratives spin into the ads.
dan friesen
Like the financial collapse is coming and then the buy gold reveal.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
So even his...
Real show is actually an advertisement for his ads.
dan friesen
In many ways, in the sense that a lot of his stuff is supposed to create fear.
A lot of his narratives are built on othering minorities and vulnerable populations, making you afraid that you're going to be killed by roving gangs of black people, making you afraid of financial collapse, afraid of...
The communism that's creeping around every corner.
Leftist around every corner.
It is supposed to get you to buy food for your family.
He calls it insurance you can eat.
The storable food he sells.
Everything.
The selenium.
The colloidal silver.
I think he doesn't do that anymore.
I'm not entirely sure.
But he does sell bulletproof vests.
jordan holmes
Alright, well there we go again.
dan friesen
But like all those other things, all the pills are supposed to give you back your humanity that the globalists have taken from you.
Every single narrative is basically feeding into the pitch.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
So 25 is absolutely not true.
50 is even spiritually not true.
So, Alex, you don't understand what people are critiquing you for.
jordan holmes
At this time, I actually genuinely think he doesn't understand that.
dan friesen
It's possible, but you'd never be able to tell.
unidentified
No, that's true.
dan friesen
It's impossible for us to discern the line between willful lying and I don't get it.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Because he's too much of an ego to say he doesn't get it.
alex jones
He wouldn't know that because he's on HBO, which is owned by Time Warner, that made $28 million last year ripping folks off on cable, so hated.
One of the most hated companies in the world that they've changed their name twice.
jordan holmes
Dude, it's not cable.
dan friesen
It's HBO.
Everyone hates cable.
Every cable company, charter, RVN, whatever, what's the one here?
RCN?
Is that it?
jordan holmes
Oh, I have Comcast, man.
dan friesen
See, Comcast, they're the most hated company in the world.
Every cable company, everyone hates them, Alex.
This is not special.
jordan holmes
And now is a good time to get into monopolies.
I think you and I are going to solve this problem right now.
Whenever you have a single source for any kind of product in any situation, a lot of the times it's a good idea just to get into one.
alex jones
I mean, it's literally hard to quantify, but we're talking about the amount of nutrients that you get in 50 bowls of chicken soup per serving.
I mean, it's something ridiculous like that.
unidentified
That's not good!
alex jones
You can't really quantify it.
It's amazing.
dan friesen
But, like, okay, he's saying, I don't know if, you know, if you get more vitamins than you need, generally it doesn't do anything bad to you.
You just pee them out, whatever.
It's not really that negative of a thing.
But he's saying...
You can't quantify it.
It's like 50 bowls of chicken soup.
Hey, guess what?
You can quantify it.
It's numbers.
jordan holmes
And you just did.
You just nailed it.
dan friesen
You just did a ballpark or whatever.
But it would be very easy to figure out, oh, here's the nutrition information on Chunky Soup.
Here's the nutrition information on Caveman.
You could easily tell.
jordan holmes
Yeah, what you should be doing is if, like, you can't quantify it.
It's like...
It's like a stardust amount of chicken soup.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
You have to bring in non-specific language if you want to play that shit.
unidentified
Of course.
dan friesen
So, he goes on.
jordan holmes
It's like the tears of children amount of chicken soup that you need.
dan friesen
We still haven't gotten to the thing that really makes him mad, which is really funny to me.
jordan holmes
Oh, we still haven't gotten there?
dan friesen
No, he's mad about all of this, but there's one particular thing.
It's that grimace.
jordan holmes
Oh, he doesn't like that he didn't like it.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So he really has to defend himself against these allegations that he thinks his own product is gross.
It gets so wild.
alex jones
He makes fun of the fact that we're talking about the fact that that's known for nerve growth factor.
You can even make claims with that because it recognizes a drug all over the world, but because it's a food, we can sell it.
They're trying to make it a drug right now.
No one debates BioPQQ and that we have the organic source that the Japanese mishibishi makes.
steve pieczenik
Wait, what?
alex jones
It's expensive.
We have to go through a medical doctor to get it from...
dan friesen
Not doctor group, but I always think he's saying Mitsubishi, and it's like some bio PQQ is only found in cars or something like that.
jordan holmes
Yeah, he said Mitsubishi, didn't he?
dan friesen
I think it's Mishubishi or something like that.
jordan holmes
Mishubishi.
dan friesen
I think it's something like that.
unidentified
Oh, okay.
dan friesen
I haven't looked into it, but it cannot be Mitsubishi.
jordan holmes
It can?
dan friesen
No, it can't.
jordan holmes
Look, man.
dan friesen
It can't be a...
jordan holmes
I do not know.
dan friesen
It can't be a secondary car dealership.
jordan holmes
A lot of corporations get put their hands into different stuff.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
It's a lot like how we have four major networks, or seven, and they control all of our media, really.
alex jones
Okay, so I'm going to stop right there.
They own so many stations, and they can't get it.
Listen, I don't like...
And how they take something and turn it bad.
Now, the reason I didn't know Buckley...
Had put milk in it.
Because I've been drinking it for weeks when it came in, and it tastes okay in water, okay?
I mean, it's very strong.
It tastes okay.
It doesn't work with vanilla flavor.
It works with chocolate and strawberry flavor.
He added milk, put it in the blender, and I was like, mmm, why is this super good now?
It went from okay, I said that in a full piece, I said, what's going on?
This is lighter color.
He said, no, no, no, I drink it with milk.
So I asked him to go make me some, so I do it on air.
So the reason I'm going, why is that so good now, is because it tasted okay before, and with milk, it tastes amazing.
You add ice into it, it tastes like a Frosty from Wendy's or something.
The point is, you know what, I'm going to do the John Oliver Challenge, and I'm going to announce it later.
I haven't figured out what it is yet, but I'm going to do something like a discount for folks to get it, and you can return it.
If you don't think it tastes great with milk.
jordan holmes
If you don't think it tastes great with milk.
dan friesen
I'm going to do the John Oliver Challenge.
I don't know what that is.
jordan holmes
Don't know what it is yet.
dan friesen
But probably what it's going to be is a sale, which we already are doing.
jordan holmes
Of course.
dan friesen
And if you want to return it, you can.
That's not the John Oliver Challenge.
That's decent business practices.
jordan holmes
Who is the woman on the show who professed to love it?
Did Millie Weaver...
dan friesen
That's Rainbow Snatch.
jordan holmes
Yeah, Rainbow Snatch.
He said she loved it.
dan friesen
She swore by it.
I believe that was Owen Schroyer who was bullying her into talking about how much she loved it.
And she did say she loved it.
Tastes like chocolate!
I love chocolate!
I don't know.
I don't think she's gone.
jordan holmes
Oh, you think she's gone?
dan friesen
I haven't seen her in forever.
jordan holmes
Oh, boy.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Leanne McAdoo's still occasionally making these video appearances over Skype, so she's sort of out of pocket.
Millie Weaver's totally gone, as far as I can tell.
Ashley Beckford is totally gone.
I don't know where any of these people are.
They're in the wind.
jordan holmes
Listen, Millie, we loved Rainbow Snatch.
dan friesen
Loved it.
jordan holmes
Loved it.
dan friesen
It was revolutionary comedy.
jordan holmes
Alex has never fake laughed so much.
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
jordan holmes
That makes us feel good.
No, no.
unidentified
When he's talking about small bullets, you laugh harder.
jordan holmes
That's true.
unidentified
Anyway, there's a little more here.
alex jones
I've now done it with protein powder and milk even better.
My kids love it, and believe it, they wouldn't be drinking it if they didn't like it.
They're so healthy drinking it.
It's just crazy.
That they think you're so stupid.
So free shipping ends tomorrow.
We've been running it for a month.
Huge discounts across the board.
Infowarsstore.com.
jordan holmes
Free shipping will also be getting tomorrow.
alex jones
47% off on MycoZX that gets into the fungus and yeast and stuff in your gut.
Infowarsstore.com.
A bunch of big discounts.
Colloidal silver, 66% off.
One more thing he did is he said that I claim the competition will kill you in colloidal silver.
I said in the full clip, don't go to...
Some place like a drugstore and get topical iodine and drink it because it's not the same type of iodine and will eat a hole in your stomach and can kill you.
That's a fact.
I'm saying, it's not that I'm saying that's competition.
It's not for ingestion.
And people have emailed us and said, can I just buy the stuff, you know, at the store that's topical?
And I'm like, no.
Talk to your physician.
It says on the bottle, don't drink it.
It's poison.
Ours is a totally different type of iodine.
But again...
That's how they manipulate your mind.
It's still poison.
I'm going to give them the floor for the rest of the hour.
Dr. Steve Pachenik, stevepachenik.com.
It's just that this is a war.
We're trying to cut off our funding.
dan friesen
So there you go.
unidentified
There it is.
jordan holmes
There it was.
dan friesen
That's the narrative.
jordan holmes
That's the cut off our funding.
dan friesen
But also there's true comedy and just being reminded that Steve Pachanek is a respected man around town and he's had to sit there through all this.
Also, you've got the dumbest fucking audience in the world if they are like, Alex, should I drink iodine?
If you have trained an audience that is that dumb, I think they should all drink iodine.
I think they should run that risk.
jordan holmes
Whoa!
Dan, you're stepping into my territory there.
dan friesen
Well, I mean, if that is what they're inclined to do based on hearing Alex, I don't know if we have a responsibility to stop them.
But be that as it may, Alex is also misrepresenting things I have heard on a couple episodes.
I didn't have time because I have a fucking day job.
But I have heard a couple times him saying that other iodines, not the liquid topical iodines, will kill you.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
So him saying that is pretty dishonest.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
I'll find the clips from the archive and post them somewhere.
jordan holmes
Can't imagine those exist.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Like every time.
Yeah.
So Steve Pachanek has been on hold this whole time.
jordan holmes
God love you, Steve.
dan friesen
I think he knows that Alex is in a weird mood.
And so he spends most of the time that he's on talking about...
Well, he talks a bit about how Hillary's crazy and that Trump is great.
You know, there's that standard stuff.
But what I took away from it more was that he was giving Alex a pep talk.
He was giving him a little bit of, hey, don't be down on yourself, buddy.
jordan holmes
You're still our messiah.
Come on, man.
dan friesen
The media's attacking you.
jordan holmes
It's only you.
You're the only one who can stop the globalists.
dan friesen
Yeah, I think he knows that he needs to...
Alex is back from vacation.
He needs to get his head back in the game.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And the only way to do that is to kiss his ass a little bit.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
So here is...
jordan holmes
Stakes are higher here, man.
dan friesen
Here is Steve Pachanek talking about how much of a rapier wit Alex Jones has.
jordan holmes
Oh, God, no.
steve pieczenik
I know you very well.
I would suggest you either invite Oliver on your show and have a discussion or, you know, go at it because you have a far better brain.
alex jones
I will invite him and his writers on because we all know Oliver is a composite.
steve pieczenik
No, I understand, but I want just you and Oliver because the wit that you have is far sharper than anybody realizes.
Let me...
Let me tell you something about yourself that you don't appreciate.
Whatever you are or you're not, you are an incredible wit that can absorb things at a very high speed.
And you've got to use that as a weapon to basically say, okay, they've been knocking me down, but you know what?
I'm still up.
So you've got an Anderson Cooper.
Go and talk to him.
I mean, Anderson can't match your own wit.
alex jones
We've invited them all on.
I mean, David Duke can.
steve pieczenik
Well, then fine, then go on their show.
And so you went with Megyn Kelly.
What did it do?
It increased your ratings.
dan friesen
Yeah, and you looked like a sweaty biatch on it.
You looked like a disaster.
jordan holmes
Yeah, nobody looked good.
dan friesen
And we're still waiting for you to release those unedited videos, Alex.
So please, at any point now, release those things that prove that she manipulatively edited you.
He released one little thing a couple weeks back, and it really didn't show.
It just showed that they edit.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Because it's a TV show.
jordan holmes
It's a TV show.
dan friesen
Yeah.
They edit because they're professionals and they want to create a slick product that's not just yelling about how, it tasted better than I thought!
Not worse!
jordan holmes
Even Alex edits.
That's why we don't get the good karaoke every time.
dan friesen
No, that's not Alex.
That's whoever's reposting these things.
jordan holmes
Right, but he has to know that.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Yeah, that's true.
unidentified
Oh!
jordan holmes
Yeah, no.
Are you saying that the people who repost it are cutting out karaoke?
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
On their own?
dan friesen
Yeah, I think they are.
Because I think that they realize it's embarrassing.
jordan holmes
Oh, man.
dan friesen
It's crazy.
jordan holmes
We got a new conspiracy theory now.
dan friesen
Well, I think these people who are reposting it are info warriors.
jordan holmes
I think they're globalists trying to keep us away from the real truth.
dan friesen
So you think that the globalists are behind Alex Jones and want to cover up his singing?
jordan holmes
No, I think they know that Alex's real power comes from his magnificent voice.
dan friesen
Oh, yeah.
And also, I'd like to apologize and thank our buddy Mike.
Michael, who pointed out, as we failed to point out on our last episode, whenever Alex did do that karaoke and he's like, that's Randy, that's Randy Rhodes.
jordan holmes
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
Randy Rhodes was dead when that song was recorded.
jordan holmes
No, that was not Randy Rhodes.
dan friesen
I love that.
That's so great.
jordan holmes
That's such a nice little detail.
dan friesen
Of all the lies.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
That's the one we're most angry about.
dan friesen
If I could just get an apology from Alex about that, we can end the show.
Yeah.
So we have one more clip.
Also, Alex does not have a strong wit.
He would be destroyed in any sort of conversation.
jordan holmes
Alex!
Couldn't even convince people he didn't agree with David Duke on everything.
dan friesen
Absolutely.
That's a testament to him.
jordan holmes
Alex has no wit.
He is completely unable to hold a conversation.
dan friesen
And John Oliver, Stephen Colbert, they do have a writing staff because they put on a professional show every day.
And they do it at a much higher caliber than Alex Jones.
Now the reason that Alex thinks...
unidentified
But they are both accomplished...
jordan holmes
Comedians.
dan friesen
And improvisers.
jordan holmes
And they are...
dan friesen
They're very quick.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
No, it's the same thing with people who are like...
Oh, I bet I'm the best heckler there's ever been and I'm gonna shut this comedian down.
It's like, dude, I do this.
Just leave it alone.
Like, if Alex tried to talk to John Oliver, it would be...
John Oliver says one sentence, it breaks Alex Jones' heart, and then he shouts for the next 20 minutes.
dan friesen
Yeah, I mean, hasn't he ever seen these people like Colbert or Jon Stewart on conservative talk shows?
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
They don't have writers there.
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
And it's devastating.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Jon Stewart, He destroyed Tucker Carlson's career for like three years.
dan friesen
More than that.
He had to go hide in a bow tie.
He had to retire the bow tie because it was so damaged.
Be that as it may, we have one more clip and it's just sort of indicative.
Like I said, this is a really boring show.
Like I wanted it to be an hour of him responding to John Oliver.
jordan holmes
Oh, of course.
dan friesen
And maybe that's what the next day will be.
We don't know that because it's only Tuesday when we're recording.
jordan holmes
Because we don't live in the future.
dan friesen
And if it is, we're going to have to convene an emergency session.
unidentified
Oh, of course.
dan friesen
And go all over his Oliver shit.
But I mean, it'll just be a repetition of this, basically.
jordan holmes
You should probably hire a writer to help him with that.
dan friesen
Maybe a team.
jordan holmes
Yeah!
dan friesen
But like I said, it's super boring, and it's because of these things that we're seeing.
It's all very repetitive.
It's old stuff.
He's going with these things that he thinks are good bits, like the Nancy Pelosi thinks that George Bush is president.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Like Linda Sarsour.
Like Hillary's banging Huma Abedin.
All this, like, you need a new act, bro.
This is like a comic who's on year four of doing the same ten minutes.
jordan holmes
Or I would say it's even more like if I'm at 15 and I want to do something new and then it just slips out of my mind.
Without thinking, I'll just go into something old.
Just to get myself to that next bit.
I'll be talking and in the back of my head I'm thinking, wait, what was the bit that I want to do?
I'm not paying attention to what I'm saying.
dan friesen
I would argue that it's possible that the new bit he wanted to do was this new Seth Rich narrative and didn't have the juice to actually do it.
It's possible that that's the case.
That was his new bit and then he just went with the old classics.
But he has Jerome Corsi on towards the end of the show.
And they just do another old bit.
jordan holmes
Mispronounced meme?
dan friesen
Yeah.
alex jones
And now you see Trump come out last week and said, if you don't repeal it, I can just cut the funding out of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac that Obama, using executive power, allowed to be looted.
And he also hinted that he's not going to let Congress continue to have the best health care in the world and have a taxpayer paid for, that he'll try to get legislation sponsored to take that away.
jordan holmes
That's how you win friends.
alex jones
Don't you think that'd be popular?
I say get rid of it, just like Trump gives up his paycheck.
So, they're calling him a loser because in six months he didn't get it repealed.
He's a total winner for fighting hard to repeal it and getting a good bill that Rand Paul called a good bill.
That has Rand Paul and Ron Paul endorsing it.
That's a big deal.
dan friesen
No, it's not.
But also...
jordan holmes
Yeah, but did he win, though?
dan friesen
Didn't.
He's a loser.
unidentified
He didn't.
jordan holmes
He's a loser.
dan friesen
But also, there's the nice propaganda in there that Trump gives up his paycheck, which again is small potatoes compared to what he's skimming.
Right.
jordan holmes
Or compared to what he's stealing.
dan friesen
Yeah.
And what just his personal enrichment from being president has been.
jordan holmes
Didn't Scaramucci say that he was going to give up his salary too?
dan friesen
Probably.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I think he did.
You know he wasn't technically hired yet.
dan friesen
Yeah, he was...
jordan holmes
He wasn't supposed to start for another few days.
dan friesen
Yeah, that's bad.
jordan holmes
That's hilarious.
dan friesen
It's pretty bad.
jordan holmes
That is...
This is right back to the thick of it, where it's like, look, if you get fired next year, it's because you fucked up.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
If you get fired next week, it's because I fucked up.
That's what it looks like.
dan friesen
There's some of that.
jordan holmes
And Trump fucked up.
dan friesen
Yeah, but, I mean...
These guys, like Roger Stone comes on the show, and his argument is that Scaramucci was a political suicide bomber, and he flamed out on purpose in order to take out Spicer and Priebus, who are two globalist strongholds.
So he goes in there.
jordan holmes
I actually believe that as much as anything else.
dan friesen
I don't.
I think he's just a loudmouth asshole who didn't realize he was on the record until it was too late.
jordan holmes
No, apparently he said he knew he was on the record.
dan friesen
Well, no.
People say that because he said, He requested to go off the record later.
And that indicates that he would have known he was on the record earlier, but it's totally possible that he just realized it halfway into the conversation.
So I don't think that that's proof that he knew he was on the record.
It's just...
Fuck.
jordan holmes
That's true, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
But I mean, like...
jordan holmes
He had that brief moment of like, what did I say?
dan friesen
You can't work in the White House and say that Steve Bannon wants to suck his own dick.
jordan holmes
You just can't do it.
Goddammit!
But see, that means, to me, that means he's the perfect person to work in that White House.
I don't think so.
Absolutely!
unidentified
No, I don't think so.
jordan holmes
Are you kidding me?
That's, one, that's hilarious.
unidentified
That's...
jordan holmes
Two, I like it when people...
I like whenever that veneer of political speak.
Is just gone.
dan friesen
Go hang out with Cernovich.
jordan holmes
You guys agree on that.
But fuck you if you want to be like...
If you want to say what you want to say about Bannon, you can say it more poetically.
But nothing quite gets to the point like Bannon wants to suck his own dick.
dan friesen
Right.
Say it with your friends.
Don't say it in the paper.
Because here's why.
Even if we don't like these people like Steve Bannon and Scaramucci and don't really give a fuck if they get fired or drown, at the same time...
jordan holmes
Lit on fire, hit by a truck.
dan friesen
Or a lorry in England.
But like, even if you don't...
jordan holmes
Had their own dick sucked.
dan friesen
Even if you don't care, it's still really degrading to our government.
It's really degrading to the idea of decency and working order for these people to behave this way publicly.
jordan holmes
But haven't you seen those videos where the Japanese parliament got into real fistfights?
dan friesen
That's not us, though.
jordan holmes
That's pretty fun.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
I would rather live in a world where Paul Ryan got punched in the face.
Are you shitting me?
dan friesen
I wouldn't mind that.
jordan holmes
Paul Ryan loses any fight Paul Ryan has ever been in.
dan friesen
If there was, like, a possibility for armed or, like, physical conflict.
In the House, in the Senate.
That would be interesting.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Oh, I want Kamala Harris right next to me.
She's who I want in a foxhole if I'm fighting Paul Ryan and Mitch McConnell.
dan friesen
The problem is, if physical contact were possible within the House, the Republicans would pull for open carry.
jordan holmes
That's true.
dan friesen
Then it would just turn into duels.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
unidentified
And there we go.
jordan holmes
Well, there we go.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
We found it.
jordan holmes
Not too bad.
dan friesen
So, yeah, I mean, oh, the other thing with that clip.
He's just going back to the Fannie Freddie narrative that we've already gone over that's total bullshit.
It's just...
It's boring.
jordan holmes
He can't...
I mean...
Do you think he just misspoke there?
Because Trump can withhold subsidies for Obamacare.
So do you think he just doesn't know that those are different things?
dan friesen
I don't think he understands the concept of money being fungible in the government.
You know?
That you can just move it around.
Money that comes in is money that goes out.
Right.
Money is money.
jordan holmes
You can just put it wherever.
dan friesen
I think that he might...
But if he does know that, then he's just trying to score points and pretend that his Jerome Corsi's reporting was correct.
jordan holmes
Right.
Okay, so that's...
Okay, now I get that.
dan friesen
It's probably just exploitation of what Trump could do.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
I don't think that Trump has come out and made any claims about Fannie and Freddie.
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
Because that would be wild.
jordan holmes
No.
If Trump knows about Fannie and Freddie, I would be shocked.
dan friesen
Yeah, that would be why.
But, like, I think he must...
I mean, if he listens to Alex, he's probably heard him talk about it.
I don't know.
Look, I...
jordan holmes
Well, the crazy thing is, once you become president, they take you into the back room, show you the secret book, and that teaches you how to suck your own dick.
dan friesen
Right.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
They teach you how to fan your own Freddie.
And Fred your own Fannie.
jordan holmes
Fine.
You get two points for that.
It's two to negative one.
dan friesen
And on that note.
jordan holmes
I'm sorry.
dan friesen
Let's get out of this boring episode we've been covering.
This has been fun, but the source material didn't do it for me today.
jordan holmes
No, this is not great.
dan friesen
I would have rather, I think, probably spent all the time talking about Heidi and Spencer.
Quite frankly.
jordan holmes
I would rather die.
dan friesen
It was a blast from my past.
jordan holmes
I would rather you die.
dan friesen
Blast from my terrible early 20s.
unidentified
Oh, man.
dan friesen
Me and Nicky Gifts would sit around and just watch fucking Laguna Beach and argue about whether or not these kids had bright futures.
jordan holmes
All right.
dan friesen
Now, Polster's a loser.
Talon.
Now, Talon, he's got it.
jordan holmes
Oh, God.
dan friesen
Talon's like number six probably on my list.
Anyway, you can check us out over at knowledgefight.com.
That is our website.
There's all sorts of stuff over there.
Not just the website.
Or not just the podcast, so please, if you're interested at all, go check it out.
There's a lot of content.
jordan holmes
Yeah, we're going to be putting out buttons soon.
I think it'll be $2 for one button.
dan friesen
Don't fucking get specific about it.
Yeah, we don't even have them made.
jordan holmes
No, I know.
I have no idea.
How much does a button cost, Dan?
unidentified
I don't know.
dan friesen
Look, these are not...
unidentified
Four?
dan friesen
We are not businessmen.
jordan holmes
Eight dollars?
dan friesen
Seventeen dollars?
jordan holmes
Seventeen dollars?
dan friesen
Yeah, we're taking a bath on these things.
jordan holmes
Do you know what's crazy?
Shipping is free right now.
dan friesen
It's totally...
jordan holmes
It's our Easter sale.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
So, no, I have no idea what it is.
dan friesen
People are always mad that we're trying to sell buttons.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Everyone needs buttons.
jordan holmes
I have no idea.
dan friesen
What are you, Amish?
Get a button.
They don't like buttons.
jordan holmes
Amish people don't like buttons?
dan friesen
It's a sign of pride.
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jordan holmes
Go to iTunes, subscribe to us there, leave a review.
You can email us at knowledgefight at gmail.com.
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dan friesen
Yes, thank you.
Also, yeah.
jordan holmes
Yeah, you guys have been amazing, and we're stoked.
dan friesen
Yeah, you guys are like the opposite of John Rappaport, who can fuck himself.
alex jones
Andy in Kansas, you're on the air.
Thanks for holding.
unidentified
Hello Alex.
jordan holmes
I'm a first time caller.
unidentified
I'm a huge fan.
I love your work.
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