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#69: August 1, 2017

August 1, 2017 episode dissects Alex Jones’ Hawaii interview with "proto-MAGA" figures Heidi Montague and Spencer Pratt—mocked for their reality TV pasts and lack of credibility—to argue he’s using them as props. The hosts debunk his Seth Rich conspiracy theory, tied to Roger Stone and Paul Joseph Watson, as a coordinated effort to shield Trump from Russia interference claims, while dismissing fringe guests like Jerome Coursey ("Dr. Group") for ties to birtherism and Sandy Hook denialism. Jones’ exaggerated fears—radical Islam’s terror stats, TB outbreaks, or Pelosi’s "meth-like" appearance—reveal his reliance on misinformation and performative outrage, ultimately exposing a pattern of manipulative narratives and failed relevance post-vacation. [Automatically generated summary]

Participants
Main
a
alex jones
infowars 14:06
d
dan friesen
59:48
j
jordan holmes
26:54
Appearances
j
john oliver
00:36
s
spencer pratt
01:33
s
steve pieczenik
00:53
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Speaker Time Text
alex jones
Andy in Kansas, you're on the air.
Thanks for holding.
Hello, Alex.
unidentified
I'm my first-time caller.
I'm a huge fan.
jordan holmes
I love your work.
alex jones
I love you.
dan friesen
Hey, everybody, welcome back to Knowledge Fight.
I'm Dan.
jordan holmes
I'm Jordan.
dan friesen
We are a couple of dudes who like to sit around, drink novelty beverages, and talk a little bit about Alex Jones.
jordan holmes
We do that.
Now, we do have a hook.
We have like a...
dan friesen
A John Popper-style hook?
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
John Popper, the guy who keeps doxing people on Twitter.
jordan holmes
That can't be true.
dan friesen
Apparently, the Blues Traveler account has been doxing people.
Have you not heard about this?
jordan holmes
No!
dan friesen
The Blues Traveler.
unidentified
Well, one, of course, I don't follow the Blues Traveler account.
dan friesen
I just saw some tweets about this.
I think there was a story in BuzzFeed.
Well, like, the Blues Traveler official account has been tweeting out satellite images and addresses of this guy's house.
Like, just really straight up doxing somebody who was fucking with him.
jordan holmes
All right.
That makes perfect sense.
In the context of the world we live in, that is the least weird thing I've ever heard.
dan friesen
John Popper used to go on Loveline all the time, too, and he would always talk about how much he loves guns and how he always carries guns on him and he's high all the time.
jordan holmes
Oh, so John Popper is insane.
I did not realize that.
dan friesen
There's a decent chance.
I don't want him to tweet my address, though, so let's bring you back.
Rub it in, rub it in, rub it in.
If you're into Norimblin.
jordan holmes
And I don't know anything about Alex Jones.
dan friesen
Correct.
Today we are drinking Seagram's Escapes.
jordan holmes
Jamaican Me Happy, Dan.
dan friesen
You know why these are called Escapes?
Because that's the name.
That's the actual title of the Piña Colada song.
Escape.
Come with me and Escape.
jordan holmes
I don't believe you.
dan friesen
If you like piña coladas.
jordan holmes
All right.
dan friesen
Getting caught in the rain.
jordan holmes
All right.
unidentified
If you're not into yoga.
jordan holmes
We have hit two bottoms as far as music is concerned.
dan friesen
I don't have many.
I don't have many clips to go over today, so we've got to vamp.
jordan holmes
I chose Jamakin Me Happy for two reasons.
dan friesen
Well, it's a new month.
It's August.
jordan holmes
One was aspirational.
Dan, I want you to be Jamaican me happy.
dan friesen
All right.
jordan holmes
And two is representative of, guys, we have hit an actual record for downloads.
We have hit all these milestones, and people keep finding us inexplicably.
dan friesen
Yeah, it's great.
jordan holmes
Considering our utter inability to promote in any way.
dan friesen
We've had some amazing messages we've got on Facebook and on the email and over Twitter.
It's awesome.
Most of it very positive and interesting stuff.
A little bit of it awful.
A couple dick holes tweeting at us.
jordan holmes
Oh, yeah, yeah, no, that's fun.
I'm liking that.
dan friesen
Finally, starting to get a little bit of that MAGA stuff coming at us.
jordan holmes
I'm loving it.
dan friesen
Yeah, fuck these dudes.
These square assholes.
jordan holmes
Also, it turns out these Seagram's Escapes are children's booze.
dan friesen
You know what I mean?
jordan holmes
These are candy.
dan friesen
You know what I love about that piña colada song?
What's that?
I love, first of all, if you're not into yoga and you do like champagne, that's in his personal ad that he sends out in the paper.
That's the story of the song, his personal ad.
It's not important.
The response to the personal ad is like, yes, I do like champagne.
It's like, all right, calm down.
Everyone likes champagne.
Anyway, enough about Rupert Holmes.
unidentified
Yeah, we need to update that for the okay Cupid world.
dan friesen
Yeah, absolutely.
But before we do that, because I'm sure we will by the end of the show.
jordan holmes
You like certain pics with tigers?
dan friesen
Ooh, that's not bad.
Speaking of not bad things, ladies and gentlemen, I'd like to give a shout out to two very unique styles of policy wonks.
jordan holmes
Oh, now I'm blown away.
dan friesen
These are already policy wonks.
alex jones
Okay.
dan friesen
But these are people who have decided to step it up and donate more.
No, that's a secondary policy wonk status, which is, I don't know, policy squared wonk.
alex jones
Yeah.
dan friesen
I don't know.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
You are now a foreign policy expert.
Unfortunately, I don't have a clip of Alex Jones saying that, so that's what you have to do.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
dan friesen
Thank you, David, and thank you, Luke.
You're both now foreign policy experts.
jordan holmes
You guys are amazing with the intricate policies governing North Korea.
I feel like that's what we have to give you.
dan friesen
You know about the intricacies of inter-European country relations.
You know about what's going on with Brexit.
jordan holmes
That'd be fun if it turns out they both support Brexit, in which case it'd be like, I don't, I don't.
Okay.
dan friesen
Well, still, you can still be an expert.
Anyway, it is only appropriate, Jordan, that we are drinking Seagram's Escapes, Jamaican Me Happy Island-style booze.
jordan holmes
Are we escaping the present once more?
dan friesen
We are not.
We are in the present.
alex jones
Damn it.
dan friesen
We needed to check in and see what was going on.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
And it's also been really heavy as far as news goes.
What with the past week?
dan friesen
We'll get into all of it.
jordan holmes
The most insane week in the history of American politics.
dan friesen
We'll get into all of it as Alex Jones does not cover any of it.
jordan holmes
Of course.
dan friesen
But the reason that this booze is appropriate, or this drink itself is appropriate, is because I figured out, I didn't realize what was going on.
Alex Jones has been in Hawaii for like a week.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
I was like, why is Owen Schroyer hosting on Friday?
jordan holmes
That was a smart move on his part.
dan friesen
Alex has just been in Hawaii.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So he's hanging out in Hawaii, drinking probably a lot of these Seagrams' chillers, you know, just hanging out on.
jordan holmes
I would say he probably spikes them with a little bit of extra whiskey.
dan friesen
I would go rum.
That's a much better thing.
You don't want to put whiskey in a wine cooler.
jordan holmes
I don't know why not.
dan friesen
That's very trashy.
Anyway, Alex Jones was in Hawaii.
jordan holmes
You would know, considering your Missouri roots.
dan friesen
And Hawaii roots.
jordan holmes
That's true.
dan friesen
I'm all over the place.
You're correct.
So while he was in Hawaii, Alex Jones ran into some of the biggest celebrities in the world and got an interview with them.
This is a celebrity couple.
Would you like to guess?
jordan holmes
Oh, no.
I think I might have seen this.
dan friesen
All right.
No guessing then.
No guessing.
alex jones
We're here with Heidi Montague and Spencer Pratt.
unidentified
Yeah.
alex jones
It's about a decade ago.
jordan holmes
Perfect.
alex jones
First.
jordan holmes
Fucking perfect.
Fine.
alex jones
Getting political and speaking out against globalism back when that wasn't popular.
That can't be real.
They firestormed thousands of news articles.
unidentified
Heidi and Spencer Pratt were all ahead of the game on globalists.
alex jones
They didn't back off.
They're Make America Great Again, I guess, proto-politics.
And then I'm here in Hawaii on a vacation with my family, and I run into them.
It's amazing.
And Heidi's pregnant.
It's very exciting.
So it's very fortuitous running to you.
jordan holmes
Very exciting.
unidentified
It's great to see you.
It's, I mean, obviously, destiny.
dan friesen
So here.
jordan holmes
It was destiny for Heidi to meet Alex Jones in Hawaii.
That was destiny.
dan friesen
Absolutely.
jordan holmes
Destiny is bored.
Destiny needs something else to do.
dan friesen
And this should highlight, I really think, one of Alex.
Like, Alex Jones is such a star fucker in the sense that, like, Heidi and Spencer are like, oh, this is exciting.
These people know what's up.
You're giving credibility to Heidi and fucking Spencer.
unidentified
Look.
dan friesen
Look, hey, I get it.
She was my third favorite character on The Hills, which was a show.
jordan holmes
Is that where she's from?
dan friesen
Yes, which was a show that starred my fifth favorite character on Laguna Beach, which was a reality TV show version of a TV show I never watched called The OC.
Late 90s were weird.
jordan holmes
Boy, I was aware that the Hills was a thing.
dan friesen
Are you curious about my power ranking of people from Laguna Beach?
jordan holmes
Good God, no.
dan friesen
Low is number one.
Number one is Low.
unidentified
Low?
jordan holmes
Which one is the reality show?
dan friesen
The reality show is Laguna Beach and The Hills are both reality shows.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
Laguna Beach was called Laguna Beach, the Real OC.
It was the show, the Adam Brody show, and whoever else was on that.
Okay.
The OC.
It was supposed to be a reality show version of it.
It was a disaster.
But my favorite character was Lowe.
She's number one.
She's the best.
She seemed like a really great friend.
Never got into too much trouble.
Love her.
Number two was a guy named Trey, who instantly hate Trey.
He made hats.
He made hats and sold them and did fashion shows and gave all the money to charity.
He seemed like a really cool dude.
jordan holmes
God damn it.
Now I'm back in on Trey.
Couldn't he have changed his name?
dan friesen
Yeah, it was the late 90s.
Look, give him a pass.
And he hasn't gotten in any trouble since the show was on.
Number three, there's this guy named Polster, right?
He was not a main character on the show at all, but every time they had a Chiron under his name, it said something enthusiast.
So like when he was helping Trey with the hat thing, it was like hat enthusiast.
unidentified
Great.
dan friesen
He's just always enthusiastic.
jordan holmes
He's an enthusiastic guy.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Number four.
I don't know.
Maybe Lauren was my fourth favorite.
Who knows?
Anyway, be that as it may, the Hills sucked, and I liked Whitney and Audrina way more than Lauren.
Well, yeah, Lauren and goddamn Heidi.
She was terrible.
She was a shit character.
Anyway.
jordan holmes
Dan knows a lot about the Hills.
I don't know anything.
dan friesen
I spent a lot of time watching those shows when I was younger.
I used to get high in that.
jordan holmes
I can tell.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
So Heidi was a reality star.
dan friesen
Yes, she was friends with Lauren on the Hills.
They became friends when Lauren moved from the OC to The Hills and got a job working for a fashion magazine.
And so she, I think she lived next door to Heidi.
jordan holmes
You just made me a Trump supporter.
Whatever accelerates.
Whatever accelerates the downfall of a country that could create Spencer and Heidi.
dan friesen
So they were friends.
And then she started dating Spencer and their friendship fell apart.
And Heidi chose Spencer over Lauren.
It was a big betrayal.
jordan holmes
That's a lot of drama.
dan friesen
But beyond that, they were just shitheads.
And I know that Reality Show is manipulative in terms of their editing and stuff like that.
jordan holmes
I think this interview is going to prove with beyond a shadow of a doubt.
dan friesen
Even beyond that, you can just tell from their behavior in real life after the show how consistent it is with how they were portrayed on the show.
You could complain about editing if you want, and I'm sure they did some tricks, but that's also you.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Be that as it may.
Heidi and Spencer are in fucking Hawaii, and Alex Jones is thrilled to see them because they are proto-maga.
jordan holmes
Did they talk about the globalists on the hills?
unidentified
No.
jordan holmes
Because that would have been.
See, now I want to go back.
We're doing a second investigation.
We want to find out when Alex Jones went all in on Trump, and we want to find out whether or not Heidi was way into the Globalist.
dan friesen
Well, Heidi wasn't.
I know that, but she does spin it now on this interview with Alex that because we were against globalism and because we were Christian conservatives, they edited me and turned me into a different character and wrote me off the show.
Because if you don't play ball with the globalists, they're going to take you out.
And yeah.
unidentified
All right.
jordan holmes
Now I'm in.
Let's hear this shit.
unidentified
Okay.
jordan holmes
Get to it.
I want to find out what it is.
Also, did a meteor hit Hawaii while they were there?
dan friesen
Unfortunately not.
jordan holmes
All right, so there is no justice in the universe.
dan friesen
I would like to say, too, the sound on this is a little bit eh, but that's just because Alex refuses to put the mic close to Heidi's face in his standard misogynistic approach to life.
He's pretty good with giving Spencer the mic, but Heidi, she's too pregnant for me to get close to.
jordan holmes
Gotcha.
That's about right.
unidentified
It's great to see you, and a lot has changed in 10 years, not only with us, but the world.
jordan holmes
So it's great to see you in person.
spencer pratt
Yeah, last time we saw you, we were, you know, super hated, and now we're pretty irrelevant and most relevant, hated person that we know.
And I would say, you took our game, and I was a little sad.
I was like, man, now he's super famous, and everyone cares about what he's doing, and nobody cares about Spidey anymore.
So we need our team.
jordan holmes
He just did what?
alex jones
I mean, to get serious, you guys did get in trouble because the big crime for reality TV stars, and you guys are out there at the top, is to become political.
It's come out their secret societies in L.A. with thousands of movie stars in them.
unidentified
Yeah, they are.
jordan holmes
Or even more conservative.
alex jones
They're just patriots.
Like Kurt Russell said, hey, I just like George Washington, the Second Amendment, free market.
I don't want to live in North Korea.
You know, Second Amendment.
Rich people have bodyguards.
Why can't the average person have a gun?
They even came after him for that.
unidentified
Sure.
jordan holmes
That makes sense.
alex jones
It's like Bruce Willis, who I know is a listener for over a decade.
And he just came out and said both parties are controlled.
jordan holmes
I am boycotting Ocean's 12 now.
alex jones
So you have to be a mega star like Clint Eastwood to even be able to be conservative in Hollywood.
Anybody else trying to break through politically, they gang up on and they destroy.
But it's good to be hated by the establishment.
The problem is, if you're in reality TV, write down what happened as soon as you came on the show.
spencer pratt
So we were chanting death to the New World Order about 10 years ago after watching all your documentaries.
And then about a week later, we are no longer on television.
jordan holmes
Where were you chanting?
spencer pratt
I haven't had a consistent TV gig since then.
So if the New World Order is watching, you know, we still will not accept chips, but we will take a gig in the established media because we have a baby and we have some bills to pay.
So, you know, New World Order, we're available.
I never thought I would say this.
We'll take a check.
dan friesen
Fake laugh?
jordan holmes
Oh, yeah.
spencer pratt
But no, for real.
jordan holmes
So fake.
spencer pratt
Be careful what you say.
dan friesen
So at the end there, Spencer is basically saying we need to refer to him by the name that he gave himself.
He didn't give himself that.
That's what the tabloids called them.
Spidey, Spencer and Heidi.
jordan holmes
Oh, I thought he was calling himself Spidey.
No, no.
Like Spider-Man.
dan friesen
Sorry, this is the lack of awareness on your part.
I should have explained that.
That's on me.
But he's saying, we'll play ball.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
We'll play ball.
I just want to check.
And Alex has to jump in there to do that horrendous fake laugh in order to make it seem like he's joking.
jordan holmes
We're joking.
dan friesen
He says it another time later, basically, begging for, hey, come on, we can do something.
And how I also know he's not joking, they've done so many sad reality shows since the Hills.
They've done a ton.
They were on at least two seasons of Big Brother.
jordan holmes
All right.
dan friesen
That makes it all over the place.
It's a mess.
They're a disaster.
unidentified
Right.
jordan holmes
Well, he's blackballed from Hollywood because of his talent.
Christian conservative beliefs.
Christian conservative beliefs.
dan friesen
I would argue it's lack of talent.
jordan holmes
Well, judging by that interview, he is a font of charisma.
dan friesen
They aren't like, they aren't actors, really, and they're not convincing even when they're playing versions of themselves.
jordan holmes
They were playing themselves right there, and I hardly believed anything.
dan friesen
That's what I'm saying.
They're not convincing sitting on a beach with Alex Jones.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
But I would like to tell you that they're not just about acting.
It's not like that's all they do.
Also, Spencer was trying to launch Heidi's singing career.
jordan holmes
Oh, now there we go.
dan friesen
A little while back, she had an album that included this song.
jordan holmes
I hate you, Dan.
You are not Jamaican me happy right now.
The vocals are low in the mix.
unidentified
It's like, you know, it's like Nirvana except for write what you know.
dan friesen
This is auto-tuned as fuck.
Yeah, it's atrocious.
But wait till you get to the chorus.
jordan holmes
I don't want to get to the channel.
dan friesen
The chorus is pretty offensive.
jordan holmes
Are we really doing this thing?
What have we become?
Thank you guys so much for listening.
And now we will punish you with this looks so scary.
dan friesen
All right, sorry.
jordan holmes
What is this?
dan friesen
I wanted to get to the chorus because it's like.
jordan holmes
Play the chorus.
I'm just going to talk shit over it.
dan friesen
They say I'm super.
Oh, it just happened.
jordan holmes
Oh, that was the chorus?
dan friesen
Yeah, they say I'm superficial.
They say I'm a bitch because I'm sexy, I'm famous, and I'm rich.
jordan holmes
It's like, I don't think she can pull that one off.
dan friesen
I don't think so.
jordan holmes
That was the chorus?
Generally, you have to have some sort of change in the chord structure.
Progression?
Something along those lines?
dan friesen
And I don't want to be just piling on Heidi and Spencer.
I think they're total fame whore assholes and have been for the better part of my adult life.
Yeah, I've been aware of them as desperate mosquitoes, basically, just trying to suck any blood out of fame that they possibly can.
jordan holmes
And Spencer.
And they're broke.
dan friesen
And Spencer was even saying that when he was talking to Alex.
He was saying, we used to be the most hated.
Now I'm jealous of you getting all the attention.
You took our game.
jordan holmes
Right.
I need attention.
dan friesen
That's who he's been the entirety of my experience with him.
So I love that Alex is so desperate for some sort of celebrity that this is acceptable.
jordan holmes
Do you think Alex, like, Alex knew who they were?
Admittedly, they say they knew who Alex is.
Do you think they recognized Alex or Alex told them who Alex was?
dan friesen
No, I think they probably got into his documentaries at some point.
I bet that they watched 9-11 Road to Tyranny or Loose Change, The Obama Deception.
I bet they watched something that he's done.
jordan holmes
Or The Born Identity.
dan friesen
Look, they're idle.
They're idle fake celebrities.
They have nothing to do.
They don't have jobs.
jordan holmes
That's true.
That is true.
dan friesen
They don't have fucking jobs and they somehow have enough money to be in Hawaii.
jordan holmes
Also, Blues Traveler just doxed them.
dan friesen
Sent out a picture of their bungalow in Hawaii.
Also, by the way, I mean, this is great look in Hawaii.
Like, it doesn't look like there's much around.
It's sort of secluded.
Looks like the really expensive type of place to resort in Hawaii.
jordan holmes
Spencer's right on the beach.
Spencer and Heidi are well known for budgeting appropriately.
dan friesen
I don't know where their money is coming from, but it's not important.
jordan holmes
Do you know that they do club appearances?
unidentified
Did you know that that's how reality stars wind up making a lot of money?
jordan holmes
They'll just show up at a club for an hour and make like 10 grand?
Yeah.
dan friesen
It's nuts.
Yep.
Can we do that?
I thought about it, like, not in terms of like, I was considering it, but I thought about the logistics of it.
Right.
And I think it would be miserable.
jordan holmes
Oh, of course.
Especially for us.
dan friesen
Yeah.
I mean, you'd have so many people expecting something of you.
jordan holmes
I would love if we went into a club with some sort of smearing off kind of promotion going on, or perhaps a Jamaican Me Happy.
And see Grims, sponsor us.
dan friesen
Hit a player up.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Yeah, and then, you know, we both do 10 minutes and we get out of there.
I know.
You know a lot of clubs, like the big kind where you dance and everybody's taking X. That's 90s terminology.
unidentified
Right, right.
jordan holmes
I know it's MDA May now.
Or E. Or E, gross.
I learned about DARE.
That was the E in the DARE program, I believe.
I don't think we're supposed to be in those clubs, Dan.
dan friesen
No.
I don't think we'd be invited.
I think the last time I went to some dance dance club was in Missouri.
It was a place called Generic.
jordan holmes
And they played Dance Dance Revolution the whole time.
dan friesen
They did not, but I did almost get into a fight with the DJ because I kept telling him to turn it down.
jordan holmes
Of course you do.
Of course you did.
dan friesen
It was like a pop-up dance club.
jordan holmes
Of course you did.
dan friesen
I told him to turn it down, and then I told him, could you play something decent, please?
jordan holmes
And then he pulled up Heidi's album and was like, time to jump for sure.
dan friesen
Yeah.
I'm the worst.
I don't belong in any of those fun places.
But anyway, they do go on to say that they were worried that they were going to get killed, like how celebrities get killed.
You know that.
unidentified
Of course.
dan friesen
The Illuminati globalists kill celebrities all the time when they are no longer worthwhile.
I don't care to air that because I'm not here to talk about Spencer's delusion.
This is about Alex Jones.
Right.
So in this next clip, Spencer asks Alex, what's the deal with them Russians?
Okay.
jordan holmes
Here we go with Alex.
dan friesen
This is an interesting answer on a beach.
spencer pratt
What's the deal with the Russians?
Phil Mean.
Is this all 100% take on this whole Russian thing?
alex jones
If you go to D.C. or New York, there are Russians and Chinese and people from India and people from Israel, people from the UK, people from France, the EU, people from the Vatican and people from Saudi Arabia.
There are blonde people and lobbyists crawling out of the walls.
And so Russians are constantly throwing sex ops at you, you know, hot blondes, honey traps.
They're constantly, but they're like the subgroup.
The Russians about six, seven years ago, cut back on that and mainly just use information, teeny stuff.
But they're secondary players reorganizing their country.
The Communist Chinese have infiltrated every major company, defense company.
They're transferring everything back.
They're in all our computer systems.
Most of our chips get made there with back doors.
We put back doors in them.
It's a total cyber infiltration, AI system war.
So we're in an AI war with China.
China's got massive acceleration war with genic engineering, probably even way ahead of what we got.
It's totally insane.
jordan holmes
Spencer, how do you feel about all this?
alex jones
Just they had 20 years ago, cows that create human milk.
They sell it on the market in China.
Not true.
I mean, here it's not even in the news.
So Russia has fast missiles.
They're a lot of nukes.
I mean, they are basically an old world country that's basically third world in many areas.
And they're trying to reorganize.
They're seen as weak.
So the globals are trying to overthrow it.
They want to put kind of a Hollywood social engineering thing to break the Russian will to get rid of their Christian roots because it's not compatible with globalism.
So Russia's crime is it got away from the very globalists that run our country, the very Bolshevik corporate system.
Trump and their people are being illegally surveilled massively by Obama.
And so there's some basic Russian contacts by Sydney Sessions.
That was his job.
jordan holmes
Why is Obama?
alex jones
So they have the intercepts and can say, yeah, you met a couple Russians here and there when that's totally normal and it's what senators do.
jordan holmes
And then Obama is in the background.
alex jones
And they met to get dirt on Hillary.
They were getting dirt on Trump.
So that's what you do in opposition research.
So they take normal behavior and blow it up like it's this huge, you know, horrible thing, a mountain out of a molehill.
dan friesen
That's boring the shit out of me.
jordan holmes
Crimes.
Crimes can be both molehills and mountains.
dan friesen
That's absolutely true.
But you know what is a great crime that Alex has just committed?
He made a Hawaiian vacation boring as shit.
If you're watching the video two of this, Heidi and Spencer are not entertained by this because he's just rambling on for fucking ever.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
About he's like going into being on the show mode.
jordan holmes
Daylight?
dan friesen
What?
jordan holmes
Is it daylight out?
dan friesen
I would say, yeah, it's probably.
jordan holmes
What are we talking?
dan friesen
It's probably in the magic hour.
jordan holmes
Okay.
So Alex is three quarters in the bag?
dan friesen
He might be a little drunk.
But be that as it may, this next clip I think is really telling.
And halfway through it, you'll.
What?
jordan holmes
It's a really telling clip within the interview of Spidey.
dan friesen
Yeah, no, I think it is because Alex Jones is most comfortable around people he wants to impress.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
And so he lets down some of his guard that he should have up.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
And if he is, in fact, drunk in Hawaii after a couple of these tiki drinks, that might be contributing to it.
But he asks Heidi and Spencer, how real are reality shows?
Like, what is the like, what's the most real reality show?
And then after that, Spencer asks him a question, and Alex Jones accidentally shows too many of his cards.
unidentified
Okay.
alex jones
How many of the reality shows from folks you talk to and what you've experienced are 100% real?
And what would those shows be versus half real versus totally staged?
spencer pratt
I would say the only reality show that's 100% real is cops.
unidentified
Yeah, it's a hard, you know, everything is for media.
It's on media.
It's for entertainment.
So at the end of the day, there's always going to be editing and producing.
alex jones
Well, I can tell you this.
When I throw a fit every once in a while and stop off the stage or go some, it's real.
In fact, let's just.
spencer pratt
Let's get that again.
Yeah, let's get the headache here.
unidentified
Let's get that.
alex jones
Here, here, let's ask the crew.
Is it real?
dan friesen
So we'll get back to this in a second.
But Spencer was saying, let's get this.
He has pulled out his phone, and he is now doing a video.
He's making a video of himself and Alex.
jordan holmes
Generally, I get very angry when people are like, has technology made us sadder?
But yeah, no, I think we should get rid of technology.
dan friesen
So there's an InfoWars camera taping the entire scene, and Spencer has his phone out recording him and Alex being like, yeah, come on.
Give me one of these outbursts.
jordan holmes
Wait, they.
alex jones
It's not fake, huh?
Is somebody calling the shots?
No one's calling the shots.
dan friesen
That's Buckley.
jordan holmes
It's real light happening as it happens.
Super.
alex jones
That's what's why people think there's like somebody telling me what to do.
jordan holmes
What does he fucked myself?
alex jones
I'm not even telling myself what to do.
I wish I was.
spencer pratt
I haven't dig anyone like that.
So those viral clips of you getting all mad, yelling, you can't just turn that on for a shot because I would love to get one of those clips.
alex jones
Oh, I mean, I could turn it on, but I feel that way, so I kind of let the dog off the leash.
spencer pratt
Is there some like a trigger line that I say that gets you worked up?
alex jones
Well, yeah, like tyranny, people trying to dominate and take control of our lives.
spencer pratt
Yeah, they are.
So can we get a clip?
Just a little outburst for like a moment.
alex jones
I mean, I'm in a good mood right now.
The thing is, the thing is, I'm on air for hours.
And I started thinking about Hillary ruling over my family, that slug murdering piece of crap who thinks we're all her slaves better than us.
No, she's going to fail.
I just got to think about what a piece of crap she is and Bill Clinton and all the rest of them.
spencer pratt
It seems like you're on a list.
alex jones
I had a weird dream last night that Bill Clinton was in public and Paula Jones was there on stage ran over gong with grabbing on her.
Remember that just now.
You have nightmares about Bill Clinton.
spencer pratt
I am glad I don't have those dreams.
dan friesen
I mean that's such a display of how fake his anger is.
That is undeniable proof that he just fakes it.
jordan holmes
I don't think that was undeniable.
I thought that was fake.
dan friesen
It is.
And it sounds exactly like a lot of times.
jordan holmes
It does not sound exactly like.
Well, one, you would know better than me.
dan friesen
He's tired.
He's on day five or six of drinking in Hawaii.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
He's not in the middle of the day.
jordan holmes
I think he gave it a shot.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
And it didn't go so well, and then revealed that he dreams about the Clintons.
Right.
Which I thought that's similar to Pluto.
I thought that was the big reveal that you had right there, because that creeps me out.
dan friesen
Oh, it's pretty creepy.
But that's similar to his show, too.
Those weird flights of fancy that end up happening where he's like, why did I say that on air?
Like, that sort of shit.
But if you're watching the video of this, too, he ramps into like, I hate the Clintons.
They're moving so mad.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
You can see him just like putting it on.
It's incredibly fake.
jordan holmes
I think he tried, but he couldn't do it.
It was a very short outburst.
If he was.
dan friesen
You know why I think that is?
I think it's because he got the sense that Spencer was using him.
He was trying to get his own viral clip or whatever.
But then again, why would Alex really care?
They would just give him more attention, too.
I don't know.
It's a mess.
I wish Alex would realize how many of his guests are trying to use him.
It's incredibly bizarre to think.
You start to take notice of it.
You start to realize all of these people are kind of just like Spencer in this case is absolutely just one of those fish who clean algae off a bigger fish.
Like he's just trying to get a meal.
Yeah.
It's a mess.
Anyway.
jordan holmes
Yeah, what is he?
unidentified
Like, does he think that Alex is going to help him?
jordan holmes
Or just or just getting the attention is what he really is just an attention whore.
dan friesen
Attention's a big part of it.
Also, the appearance of Alex's giant audience that he can maybe become relevant with, especially with Alex vouching for him as like a pre-it being cool to talk about the globalist hip guy.
He was woke before woke was woke.
jordan holmes
Right, right.
No, there's a lot of there's a lot of old white men who have military service in their background who love Spencer.
dan friesen
Apparently now, yeah.
Yeah, that's that's certainly and they never did before because they thought he was a shithead based on the fact that he's been a public shithead for over a decade.
No, of course.
But now, because Alex Jones has explained it to them, no, everyone presented them as being shitheads because they were Christian conservatives.
And that is not tolerable to the globalists.
So they had to attack their character in public, as opposed to Spencer having his own advice column in like stuff magazine for whatever reason.
I don't remember if it was stuff.
jordan holmes
Why do you know so much about these people?
dan friesen
I had a dark period in my early 20s.
It was a mess.
jordan holmes
Anyway.
I was having dreams about Hillary Clinton.
dan friesen
Tentacles on Paula Jones.
jordan holmes
Alex Jones has absolutely had a sex dream about Hillary Clinton.
dan friesen
Undoubtedly.
jordan holmes
There's no doubt in my mind.
dan friesen
Undoubtedly.
Yeah, yeah.
So that's about it for what we're going to talk about.
jordan holmes
I bet she was very tender.
dan friesen
I'd assume so.
Yeah.
That's it for Heidi and Spencer interview.
It's a half hour if you want to watch the rest of it.
It's really boring.
Why would you?
But Spencer does say some really stupid shit.
So there's that if you want to enjoy that.
Also, just the rampant self-victim status giving, if that makes sense.
jordan holmes
Oh, yeah.
The three of them together almost certainly all believe that they are the only victims.
dan friesen
It's an intense triangle of straight white people who feel real bad for their lot in life.
unidentified
Right, right.
dan friesen
Not realizing that maybe some of their actions led them to where they are.
jordan holmes
Which is in Hawaii on a secluded beach.
unidentified
As we sit in an apartment in Chicago.
dan friesen
Ah, shit.
jordan holmes
Yeah, right.
A lot of our choices may not have been as good as theirs.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Anyway, we now go to August 1st, 2017, the Tuesday episode.
Alex has returned from Hawaii.
He was there up until then.
He gets back into studio, and what a world is waiting for him when he returns from vacation.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Let's count off some of the things that have happened since he went on vacation.
jordan holmes
How long has he been gone for?
dan friesen
He was gone for most of Scaramucci's tenure.
jordan holmes
That's true.
Scaramucci came and left before Alex did.
dan friesen
No, Alex was around when he got in because he was talking about how great it was going to be or something like that.
jordan holmes
Okay, so we got Scaramucci getting out.
Priebus is Priebus.
dan friesen
He was gone.
He was gone when Priebus left.
jordan holmes
Okay.
That's right.
I remember that.
Yeah.
Trump admitted that he influenced Donald Trump Jr.'s statement.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
Which, again, a crime.
How many crimes before we get enough crimes?
dan friesen
You need to get bingo.
jordan holmes
We got, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
You have to get five in a row.
That's probably tough.
The problem is these crimes are disconnected on the board.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's true.
dan friesen
Yeah, you have like the corners and shit.
We're not playing blackout here.
jordan holmes
No, This is straight bingo.
dan friesen
Unfortunately, no free space.
Just to make it even harder.
jordan holmes
Well, currently he is living in a free space.
Yeah.
Okay, so we got that.
That's crime.
We've got what else?
Oh, that's right.
Donald Trump invented Seth Rich?
dan friesen
We'll get back to that.
Priebus, Spicer, and Scaramucci all gone in the time that he was on vacation.
jordan holmes
Oh, all of them?
No, I thought Priebus was still.
I thought Priebus was gone before he left.
dan friesen
No, no, no.
That was on Friday.
unidentified
Oh, that's right.
dan friesen
Alex was gone from like Wednesday or something.
jordan holmes
Okay.
So they're all gone.
dan friesen
Yep, all gone.
John Oliver has done his segment on Speaker Tonight.
Alex comes back to a world where he doesn't know what to respond to, and I think he's really depressed because his voice does not sound good.
Not like the gravelly voice, but he can't get much enthusiasm for stuff that this should be when you shine, baby.
This is like you, Alex.
You're under attack.
jordan holmes
Yeah, but you come back from a vacation.
You have that little.
No, no, no.
I totally get where he's coming from.
dan friesen
I don't.
Because you're in a war.
This is an info war.
He has presented it as such, and you can't have fucking lingering hangover from vacation getting in your way.
You have so much to attend to right now.
jordan holmes
Unfair.
Unfair, Dan.
dan friesen
You are a propagandist with the most difficult job in the world, and that is cover up for Donald Trump's attempted cover-ups.
Everything he does keeps blowing up in his face.
Donald Trump, that is.
Alex Jones' job is to spin it positive.
Meanwhile, a HBO personality who you've already attacked and hate does, in your perceptions, a hit piece on you.
You come back to that world with you.
jordan holmes
One of the most respected late-night hosts of any kind.
Like, he's the guy that's a little bit more.
Yeah, exactly.
He's got a great research staff.
dan friesen
Yeah.
But you come back.
jordan holmes
They could have called us, so they're not that great, but they're still a good researcher.
dan friesen
They did a good job.
unidentified
They did.
dan friesen
They had complicated feelings about how they painted him as so much of a snake oil salesman.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
And didn't get in.
I mean, you can't do it in a 20-minute fucking TV piece, get into all the details.
No.
jordan holmes
Is that why our podcast is not one episode long?
john oliver
Jesus.
dan friesen
Shows are so long.
My point is, is that if you are in that situation and you want your audience to really believe that you think of it as a war, you can't come back and half-step on the first day.
jordan holmes
Yeah, you got to come correct.
dan friesen
You need to come swinging.
And Alex is just kind of like, but he does have some interesting narratives.
And I've got a few clips of stuff to go over.
He had a stacked deck of all of his guests that he has on every day, basically.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Roger Stone, The Good Doctor, Dr. Feelgood himself, Jerome Coursey.
jordan holmes
Perfect.
I actually finally saw a picture of him because I watched that Alex Jones piece.
And absolutely.
I believe everything he says now.
dan friesen
What, that his shirt's too tight?
unidentified
True.
jordan holmes
What else you got?
His pills cure stuff?
Of course.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Bone broth?
Sure.
dan friesen
Oh, wait.
You saw a picture of Dr. Corsi?
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
No, you saw a child.
jordan holmes
Oh, no, I saw a picture of Dr. Group.
That's right.
dan friesen
Dr. Group is the hippie Dr. Jerome Coursey is the propagandist.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Who heads the D.C. office for real?
jordan holmes
Still haven't seen Coursey.
dan friesen
Oh, no, his shirt's too tight.
He looks unhealthy.
Oh, okay.
But also, we got a guest appearance by Steve Pieczenik.
He comes in.
Right.
I'll just, I mean, I can get.
jordan holmes
So we got our rotating cast of characters all picking up the slack for a little bit of a hungover Alex Jones.
dan friesen
Well, Corsi and Roger Stone are basically on every day.
At least Roger Stone is pretty much on every day.
Okay.
And then Pieczenik is on once a week or so.
It's a very standard rotation of guests.
It's kind of sad.
Like, you would think that if you had, you know, 40 million, 50 million people watching a week, you could get better.
jordan holmes
Better guests.
dan friesen
You could get people who actually have credibility, who have credentials, who have a track record of not being race baiters.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
You have a track record of people who haven't written fraudulent books about presidential candidates.
jordan holmes
People who haven't defended crimes by saying, I did those crimes.
dan friesen
People who haven't fed the birther shit.
People like Steve Pieczenik, or unlike him, who believe that Sandy Hook actually happened.
jordan holmes
Right.
People who haven't pushed the Seth Rich story, which we now know to be wholly constructed out of.
dan friesen
Funny, you should bring that up.
jordan holmes
Oh, here we go.
alex jones
Roger Stone has a headline on Infrowars.com, an article by Paul Joseph Watson.
Seth Rich was partying with Imran Awan on the night of his murder.
Trump confidant claims link between Dency Stafford death and disgraced Washerman Schultz aide.
jordan holmes
Wait, wait, wait, wait.
dan friesen
So we have moved.
jordan holmes
So the aide for Debbie Washerman Schultz, who was just fired for doing that stuff, they're tying her with Seth Richard.
dan friesen
No, no, no.
This is a different aide.
This is the Awan brothers.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
Are you aware of this conspiracy narrative?
jordan holmes
Uh-uh.
Never heard this one before.
I want in.
dan friesen
This is going to be tough.
jordan holmes
How could it be tough?
dan friesen
There were these three Pakistani-born IT experts who were brothers, the Awan brothers, and they...
jordan holmes
Wait.
What?
dan friesen
What?
jordan holmes
She had working for her.
And other Democratic three IT specialist brothers.
dan friesen
Well, I don't think all of them worked for her, but they were all in congressional offices doing IT stuff.
jordan holmes
TV show now.
TV show now.
dan friesen
I don't know if we're going to be able to get the rights from them.
jordan holmes
What are you talking about?
It's called 3IT.
God damn it, Dan.
This rights itself.
They're brothers.
Right.
Look, they're trying to get through America, which is a different culture.
So we got that.
They're IT people, so we got all those kind of awkward interactions going there.
Big Bang Theory, suck my balls, because 3IT is coming for you.
And also, in the show, it's revealed they killed Seth Rich.
dan friesen
The long and short of it is there's a lot of rumors about stuff.
And from what I can tell, there is a chance that they were doing some illegal stuff.
Okay.
But at this point, I can't find good reporting on anything.
Everything leads back to daily caller articles or zero hedge.
And then you try and track down where they're getting stuff from.
And a lot of it does come back to rumors.
I can't find anything really concrete on it.
But Alex Jones, with the help of Roger Stone, has now completely moved the narrative of the Seth Rich stuff.
He is now trying to tie it to this other conspiracy of these Pakistani IT experts who they claim were working with the Muslim Brotherhood.
And they were taking all of this information off of the DNC servers and confidential information and funneling it back overseas.
So they were up to some of that shit, some espionage stuff.
Of course.
And were being aided and covered up by Debbie Wasserman Schultz.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
And maybe Seth Rich knew something about it, so they set him up and murdered him.
jordan holmes
All right.
This has NCIS written all over it.
dan friesen
Right, but what it doesn't have is any truth written all over it.
jordan holmes
Neither does NCIS.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So the reason that they're doing this.
jordan holmes
Seriously.
Why would they hire that hacker?
Come on.
dan friesen
I don't know.
jordan holmes
Business casual, at least.
All right.
dan friesen
So Alex is telling you about this story, and it's a Paul Joseph Watson article, and the source on it is Roger Stone.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
So it's all just in-house, but they say Trump Insider says.
He is the insider.
They're quoting on it.
And Roger Stone comes on the show to lend credibility to the claims that he's making through Infowars.com.
It's just a crazy cycle of nonsense.
jordan holmes
That's a fantastic circle jerk they got going on.
dan friesen
Yeah, absolutely.
But they have to do this because the news just came out that Rod Wheeler, the guy who was the private eye that was hired by a rich Republican donor with ties to Trump, was ⁇ I mean, it came out when the fucking thing broke.
Like months ago, it came out that he said they told me what to say.
I didn't know any of that stuff.
But now he's suing.
jordan holmes
Have you seen the screenshot of that text message?
dan friesen
Which one?
jordan holmes
The one that they're using to kind of corroborate that evidence of somebody texting Wheeler, like Trump saw the story and he's really happy with it.
Like that kind of thing.
dan friesen
I did not see that.
jordan holmes
Okay.
I'm just not sure if it's real.
I don't trust anybody.
dan friesen
Sure.
And let's be clear about this.
Rod Wheeler has already discredited himself.
With his behavior in terms of saying the things on Fox News that they told him to say, he's shown himself to be a public liar.
So the idea that now he's saying that Trump was involved with it and stuff like that, you have to take a step back and be like, I'm not sure if we can trust you.
We want to believe that, but you've already shown yourself to be a liar.
jordan holmes
You may be a private liar as well.
dan friesen
Right.
And now, the only reason that I'm inclined to believe it is.
jordan holmes
Private liar is also a character on 3 IT.
dan friesen
And a great Holland Oates song.
The only reason I'm inclined to believe it is that it is a big difference between saying something untrue on Fox News, which isn't illegal.
That's very legal.
unidentified
And making an erroneous lawsuit.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Especially against the president.
Like, that's very illegal if you're just making fraudulent claims against them.
So that's possible.
And then it came out today that Sean Spicer released a statement that they did have a meeting.
That the donor, I can't remember his name.
jordan holmes
Rich White Dude.
dan friesen
Rich White Dude, who was behind the whole thing.
jordan holmes
Do they even have a meeting with Speaker?
I feel like they don't have names.
I feel like they're just called Rich White Dude.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
So it does look like, at very least, there was a concerted effort behind the scenes to push this as a story.
And now here is why I believe.
jordan holmes
It's quite literally a conspiracy.
dan friesen
Yeah.
And here's why I believe that this is incredibly necessary.
This has to be defended at all costs by Alex, by his entire operation.
If it's shown to be not true, if all of their things fall apart and they can't keep moving the ball to different places, like this Awan brothers connection to the case.
And by the way, that whole thing about him partying with the Awan brother that night, that's just a rumor.
There's no backup of that.
That's just hearsay.
jordan holmes
Of course.
dan friesen
There's nothing to pin that down.
But the reason that they have to do stuff like that is if it's shown to not be true, everything falls apart.
Because that is what they're hinging the Russia didn't do it narrative on.
That's what they're.
They've already made it clear that they think that Seth Rich was the one who gave the emails to WikiLeaks.
unidentified
Okay.
dan friesen
So if they don't have that piece in their fake narrative, then, well, it was Goosefer 2.0.
It was Russia.
At least your story is wrong.
Your version is absolutely wrong.
So it's very essential to them.
And now here's the other part that's really fucked up.
You start to look at who are the people who have vociferously defended the Seth Rich was murdered by the DNC storyline.
jordan holmes
Well, your top build guy is Sean motherfucking Hannity.
dan friesen
You got Sean Hannity.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
You have Alex Jones in the entire InfoWar.
You have Mike Cernovich.
You have Cassandra Fairbanks.
You have Jack Pasobiak.
You have Julian Assange.
jordan holmes
Ooh.
dan friesen
Julian Assange has repeatedly insinuated that Seth Rich was his source, which is not true.
It's absolutely not true.
But all of these people are connected in a propaganda web.
And the fact that they're all pushing this narrative will be a huge problem if it falls.
Because it's so not true.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
You understand what I'm saying?
I think that.
unidentified
Okay.
dan friesen
I think that this is one area where the right-wing media is entirely exposed.
jordan holmes
Yeah, but we all know it's not true.
It's obviously not true.
Regardless of whether or not you prove something is true, doesn't mean that it's going to change their lie narrative.
dan friesen
Right, right.
jordan holmes
I mean, they won't be able to say it as publicly.
But the people who want to like people.
dan friesen
No, You're not understanding.
jordan holmes
No, I'm not understanding.
dan friesen
Maybe I didn't clarify.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Okay.
jordan holmes
Because I don't believe these fucks are exposed on any level since they don't live in reality.
dan friesen
Trump and the White House are implicated in creating a fraud diversion with the Seth Rich stuff.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Who is involved with the White House?
Roger Stone.
Who does Roger Stone have ties to?
Jack Pesobiak.
All of these other right-wing dickholes.
Julian Assange.
It becomes clear that there's a network that is sharing information with each other and pushing the same narratives.
They're clearly a propaganda operation with these tendrils.
And, I mean, the Russian embassy tweeted out stuff about Seth Rich.
The fucking RT and Sputnik did.
It makes it very clear that it is Russia and that these people are on the same fucking team.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's true.
dan friesen
It makes it clear that what the reason for it is, who knows?
The allegiances are there.
They're pushing the same narrative against all odds.
So whether or not the right-hand question about it being proven false, that's not what's important.
What's important is the fact that this story came out and they're going to be looking into Trump being implicated in this and having an active role in the campaign brings him way too close to the sphere of this stuff.
And so in order to protect him and protect this MAGA operation that they have going, all of that is going to be a lot of people.
jordan holmes
Some of these people showed down.
dan friesen
Well, no, they don't have to.
But in order for them to, in order for them to make sure no one has to go down, like Roger Stone doesn't have to go to prison for this or anything like that, what they have to do is they have to create a new story in order to be like, this is fake.
This whole lawsuit is bogus.
And they're only doing it because they knew we were going to release this news that he was hanging out with the Awan brother.
jordan holmes
Okay.
All right.
dan friesen
You change the narrative entirely to your indoctrinated audience, and then you don't have to deal with the fallout that everyone else is experiencing.
That is, holy shit, these craven motherfuckers are utilizing some dude's murder in order to take the heat off of what they clearly did.
If that makes sense.
jordan holmes
Wow.
What are we.
Do we?
At what point do we just get to go like do-over?
Like, like, one.
dan friesen
We won't.
jordan holmes
Trump should be in jail by all of the crime committing you can do.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Trump has done all of them.
dan friesen
He's done some of them.
jordan holmes
So we're way past that.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Now we're just trying to get him out, right?
Like, I can't really process the massive levels of.
Like, the only way that I can really get to the GOP not being able to do anything about this, not being able to actually unite long enough to go, not only has he committed all these crimes, but we're divorcing ourselves from them.
So the only possible explanation is that they know their constituents no longer believe in reality.
dan friesen
That's possible.
Or that it doesn't matter.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that has to be the only thing that I can think of is that if they succumb to the truth, then they will be hated by their lie-swallowing audience.
Well, I mean, there is.
Like, you can't go back from their shit.
dan friesen
I mean, polls have shown that there are at least 30-something percent of people who still don't get it.
jordan holmes
Oh, well, not just that, but like 50% of Republicans still don't think climate change is real.
All of that shit.
But that's not the point.
The point is there's no going back from their Fox newsification.
They can't go back.
It has to be an entire generation of Republicans before they can get past the Fox News world that they've created.
dan friesen
Yeah, I mean, the real heroes that we need in the world right now are like sane, rational, moderate Republicans.
jordan holmes
They're not heroes by no stress.
dan friesen
No, but they could help a lot.
jordan holmes
Well, I mean, they wouldn't.
Well, the crazy thing is they'll be portrayed as heroes.
Like, the same way McCain was.
And how about misogyny for that one?
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
You know, that whole thing.
dan friesen
That's nonsense.
jordan holmes
But they will be portrayed as heroes.
They have to have seen that, right?
They have to have seen that McCain has been getting a lot of accolades for his bullshit.
dan friesen
And Murkowski, too.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
But be that as it may.
jordan holmes
Not as much as.
dan friesen
Not as much as she deserves.
But be that as it may.
I don't know.
jordan holmes
None of them deserve.
That's a complicated thing.
dan friesen
Yeah, let's.
jordan holmes
Let's burn it all down.
dan friesen
Yeah, let's do that.
Yeah.
Look, I don't know what the answer is.
I don't know how we get back to normal or anything like that.
I don't think it's possible, probably.
jordan holmes
Well, I think it's bomb North Korea, obviously.
That's how we get back to normal.
dan friesen
You know what it is?
It's like an underwater cave.
Sometimes you have to go down to get back up.
You can't push up because then you're going to drown.
You've got to go down further.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
So you've got to bomb North Korea.
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
We've got to suspend the Constitution.
jordan holmes
That's the great way to go.
dan friesen
Commit martial law.
Perfect.
Put more shit in the water.
jordan holmes
I'm going to go with military coup would also be nice, too.
dan friesen
Sure, why not?
jordan holmes
Yeah, let's throw that one.
dan friesen
United States into a hunting.
jordan holmes
Oh, absolutely.
That'd be fun.
dan friesen
So Alex's.
jordan holmes
And then elect Erdogan Secretary of State while at the same time being president of Turkey.
dan friesen
Love it.
jordan holmes
I can't believe it.
dan friesen
No conflict of interest there.
jordan holmes
No, none.
dan friesen
Not perfect.
I mean, about as much as we have now.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
It's not far off.
dan friesen
So this Seth Rich shit is pretty shameful.
But I do want to say I withhold judgment on the Awan brothers stuff just because all the information I can find on it is so speculative.
And I don't know.
I don't have any.
jordan holmes
Judging by who it's coming from, it is I put it at 95% most likely false.
dan friesen
I can't find enough information to discredit it, is what I'm saying.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
And I am certainly not in the boat of saying that there isn't corruption in the Democratic Party, too.
So someone fucking around and maybe stealing shit well within the possibility.
Now, the idea that this is some big connection and that Seth Rich was partying with him and set up the murder, that I don't believe at all.
But all that other stuff.
Anyway.
jordan holmes
I like it.
dan friesen
Anyway, Alex Jones has to grapple with the news of Scaramucci going down.
jordan holmes
Yeah, what's his angle on that?
dan friesen
And he does so in this little clip.
And I believe this is actually him saying a quote from Roger Stone.
I accidentally cut out the beginning where he said, Roger says this.
alex jones
I don't think Scaramucci is going to survive these tirades with these reporters.
And of course, now we know that he was baited by fake emails, spoofing reporters' emails to manipulate him into that.
jordan holmes
Isn't the timeline on that backwards?
dan friesen
A little bit.
Yeah.
The prankster, the email prankster, those emails were after.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Or it was actually after Reinz had been fired.
jordan holmes
Well, it would have to be after the New Yorker story.
dan friesen
Yeah, yeah.
But he also has it wrong.
This guy, he pranked a bunch of administration officials, not by posing as a reporter, but by posing as other officials.
Yeah.
And most of them gave him information willingly.
Immediately.
Yeah, like the one guy gave him his email address, his personal email address and shit.
jordan holmes
This is.
dan friesen
There's no protocol.
jordan holmes
We are, by the grace of Bob, we are saved by their utter and all-consuming incompetence.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
This is the dumbest group of people that has ever run anything ever.
dan friesen
Totally.
Totally.
jordan holmes
I mean, at least the Borges were conniving.
Like, they knew how to get what they wanted.
Sure, they threw away all of the Catholic religion and splintered off into Protestantism.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
But come on, at least they knew what they were fucking doing on a day-to-day.
dan friesen
I dove into an accidental rabbit hole last night because I saw some tweets that were arguing that.
jordan holmes
There are a lot of rabbits in Chicago.
dan friesen
There are.
They're just outside these apartments.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Just nibbling on grass right outside.
jordan holmes
A bunch of little holes.
dan friesen
I fell into one of those holes because I saw a tweet that was talking about how Al-Sadir, the head of Iraq, or the cleric from Iraq, the Shia cleric, he went to Saudi Arabia and met with the crown prince, I believe.
He was the crown prince.
jordan holmes
That's an interesting choice.
dan friesen
Yeah, and so this tweet I was reading was making the argument that Trump facilitated this because he's a genius.
And meanwhile, he doesn't want you to know these negotiations are going on, so he creates all this chaos in order to distract you from the fact that blah, blah, blah.
What?
Yeah.
So I was like, is there any credibility to this?
And so I looked into it and no.
I mean, it is rare.
It's been like a decade since.
jordan holmes
Stop.
Trump does not know the difference between SUNY and Shia.
dan friesen
No.
jordan holmes
So we're done.
dan friesen
No.
jordan holmes
That's over.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
That entire argument is over.
dan friesen
Right.
But you could still be a genius by being like, hey, why don't you tell me what you want to happen?
You could know nothing about this, like the entire conflict and just be like, what would you like me to enforce?
Both sides, let's agree on it now.
What do you want?
Let's do it.
jordan holmes
Do you mean that's the uh Kushner-Israel-Palestine talks right there?
dan friesen
I imagine.
jordan holmes
What do you guys want?
That's like, well, you both can't have it.
dan friesen
That's weekend.
jordan holmes
I guess we gotta stop.
dan friesen
That's weekend dad negotiating.
You know, like that's weekend stepdad.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Like Alex Jones.
dan friesen
But anyway, I fell into that rabbit hole, and the reason it came to my head was because you were saying, like, they're so inept.
And it is.
Everything is incredibly inept.
But there are people like that guy who wrote that tweet who create these other realities for people to live in, these other narratives, much like Alex.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
Where you're like, no, you don't get it.
He's secretly doing all of this amazing stuff and fucking up wildly in public in order to make you think that he's a bumbling fool, man.
jordan holmes
Well, imagine with my family that voted mostly Trump.
Like, imagine having to come to grips with the fact that you thought you were a clever, smart person, and you wound up voting for the dumbest, dumbest, dumbest administration in all of the time.
dan friesen
That would be tough.
You would need that burn ointment that is these fake ideas about Seth Rich.
jordan holmes
Because then you would have to admit that you were conned.
Nobody wants to admit they were conned.
dan friesen
No, I mean, it's like everybody's got to learn to laugh at themselves a little bit because everybody falls for something here and there.
And if you do, you're like, whoops.
Like, that's a much better response to have than fuck.
How do I not be made a fool of?
jordan holmes
Right, right.
Well, my response the last time I fell for something was, are you sure it's gonorrhea?
unidentified
Mm-mm.
dan friesen
I'm just going to fucking let that sit there.
jordan holmes
You're going to make you.
You're going to make me eat that one.
You're going to make me eat that one?
That one's on you.
dan friesen
I don't like you on fucking Jamaican Me Happy.
That is not Jamaican Me Happy.
unidentified
You put a song by Heidi in here.
dan friesen
Yeah, don't be superficial.
jordan holmes
So I get.
dan friesen
Don't be superficial.
jordan holmes
I get one.
You got one.
I got one.
We're both at negative one point for this episode so far.
dan friesen
Fair enough.
All right.
So, look, generally, this episode is really boring.
The August 1st, 2017 episode is a tremendously boring effort on Alex's part.
Like I said, he doesn't have the verve that he usually would or should have in this situation.
But he does say some stuff that I think is worth noting and worth discussing.
Here in this next clip, he jumps into something about it's a really good demonstration of his tremendous fear of Muslims.
alex jones
Let's expand on that.
If you go back to 9-11, it was in major newspapers at the time that the FBI said it's as if al-Qaeda had people at the top of the FBI.
Well, we know with people like the man heading up the witch hunt right now, Mueller, he has major contacts with the Democratic Party.
His law firm gives 99.8% of their money to the Democrats.
They get massive money from the Saudis, the Pakistanis.
He's the guy that had the FBI in his 10-year tenure.
dan friesen
10-year tenure.
alex jones
Radical Islam off the list of terror groups when they are responsible for 99%.
jordan holmes
You can't, you can't.
Radical Islam was not on the list in the first place.
dan friesen
No.
jordan holmes
That's too broad.
dan friesen
Very much.
Yeah.
And also, I mean, this is just that thing that he gets really mad about all the time: that is the like, why wouldn't you call it radical Islam?
That's the problem.
Well, the reason that you wouldn't do that is you don't want to create the perception of a holy war and you don't want to alienate possible Muslim allies.
jordan holmes
Some people do.
dan friesen
Yeah, Alex doesn't sort of get that.
He thinks it's political correctness run amok as opposed to good strategy.
And then the other thing is Muslims, radical or not, do not create 99% of the terror in any cross-section of the world.
jordan holmes
Especially not America.
dan friesen
No, certainly not.
alex jones
It's white people.
dan friesen
Yeah.
alex jones
It's white folk.
dan friesen
It's a lot of eco-terrorism, it turns out, is actually one of the largest portions of terrorism in the United States, a bunch of environmentalists and stuff like that.
jordan holmes
If you look at.
I don't know who I'm on that team with.
dan friesen
It's very complicated.
jordan holmes
That is complicated.
dan friesen
You know, they do that burning down shit.
There's a lot of arsons that environmentalists end up doing.
It's pretty wild.
jordan holmes
They're putting a lot of CO2 into the air.
That's concerning.
dan friesen
It's clean arson.
They have arson, but they're scrubbers.
jordan holmes
Bring arson back.
Make arson greater.
We need our arson back.
MAGA.
There we go.
Mara.
dan friesen
Make America arson.
Anyway, yeah, the statistics are really interesting.
The fact that that is a large chunk of the.
But also, if you look into terrorism, it actually, the broad definition and the statistics that are kept, a lot of stuff that you wouldn't think is terrorism falls under that category.
A lot of really intense vandalisms and stuff like that.
jordan holmes
Bringing 16 items to the 10-item checkout.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
That counts.
dan friesen
Absolutely.
That makes me furious.
Someone listening without headphones to music on the train.
jordan holmes
Ooh.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Absolutely.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
So anyway, Alex goes on.
alex jones
Terror.
And then we ask: why is the Muslim Brotherhood being backed in the Arab Spring?
Why is Al-Qaeda and ISIS being backed?
Why?
Why is Hillary staying in the same bed as Uma Abedeem and her Islamic family?
jordan holmes
Wait, what?
alex jones
Is a Islamic woman leading the feminist movement now in the country teaching women to wear burkhas?
jordan holmes
Are Hillary and Huma Abidins leading to the woman?
alex jones
You can wear burkas if you're a feminist.
Why is it everywhere?
Why is everything Islamified?
Why would I?
dan friesen
So, yeah, his conception is Islamified.
Yeah, his conception is that Hillary and Huma Abedin are lovers.
They be banging.
He just bases that off, again, rumor and gossip.
And, you know, Larry.
jordan holmes
It's good for them.
It's good for them.
Both their husbands are cheating on them.
They find each other at the right time.
dan friesen
Absolutely.
jordan holmes
No, no, no.
I'm very happy with that.
I'm on board with that.
dan friesen
But he also believes that she's seduced Hillary Clinton in order to get her to be a mole working for the Muslim Brotherhood because Huma Abedin has Muslim Brotherhood ties.
It's a whole thing.
It's Larry Nichols shit.
It doesn't matter.
jordan holmes
That's a fun narrative.
I like that one.
dan friesen
And then the other stuff, he's super mad at Linda Sarseur for being involved with feminism conversations.
jordan holmes
Who's Linda Sarsour?
dan friesen
She is a lady who's an activist and she has been involved in the women's march in D.C. and stuff like that.
Alex is really pissed off because she wears a hijab and he just thinks that they're trying to get women to submit to Sharia law.
And having this Muslim woman, who is a woman, first of all, head up this feminism thing.
They're just trying to trick these trendies into.
jordan holmes
What if Alex saw her in a Starbucks or even a party supply?
dan friesen
He would get freaked out.
jordan holmes
He would get freaked out.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So she's just one of his favorite boogeymen, boogeywomen.
And, you know, he insists she has deep ties to George Soros and is like a globalist operative trying to bring Islam into dumb liberals.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
So, but this is all.
jordan holmes
Because they want to be dominated, really, and that whole thing.
dan friesen
Feminists secretly just want to be beat up by Muslim men.
jordan holmes
I did just get why it is that you can still bitch about Hillary if you're these guys, is because she's a globalist.
So even if she's not president, she's still one of those high-ranking members.
Right.
Like, you know, she's not in the Illumina, or she's not president, but she's still in the Illuminati.
dan friesen
Yeah, yeah, basically.
jordan holmes
She's still behind the scenes.
dan friesen
Yeah, I mean, Larry Nichols, his whole thing was that Hillary was going to become president and then appoint Bill to be the ambassador to the UN.
And then within a couple months, he was going to be the Secretary General of the UN.
And then as a couple, they would control the world.
jordan holmes
Holy shit.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
Can you imagine the right-wing outrage at a president appointing a family member to a high-ranking position?
dan friesen
That'd be nuts.
jordan holmes
They would lose their minds at that idea.
dan friesen
That'd be so crazy.
jordan holmes
They would be like, this is nepotism and shit.
Like, they would do the whole thing.
dan friesen
They were fucking mad when Obama's daughter went to Lollapalooza.
That's right.
unidentified
What the fuck?
jordan holmes
Well, that's the globalist playbook right there.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So he has a few more comments about Islamification, I guess.
alex jones
Tune into Trevor Noah or John Oliver, anybody that's attacking me.
They say Jones is scum.
He claims Muslims are involved in crime and that Muslims are unvetted and that some Muslims have diseases when it's pouring in with TB.
It's a fact they're pouring in with crime.
Just look at Europe.
This is the untouchable God group, and it looks like they just infiltrated our wide-open government.
I mean, the owner of Shibani Yogurt.
He's on the New York Federal Reserve Board that runs our country.
dan friesen
So, a couple things there.
Him talking about...
jordan holmes
That's not good.
alex jones
Him...
jordan holmes
I wouldn't do that if I were him.
dan friesen
Oh, don't bring Hamdi Ulakaya back up.
jordan holmes
No, I wouldn't do that.
dan friesen
You're on thin ice.
jordan holmes
Alex, that's not a good idea.
dan friesen
Yeah, so that number one is bad because he's also lying about him again.
He's not on the New York Federal Reserve Board.
We went over that on the episode about him.
That's not true at all.
He was an advisory member years ago and is not anymore.
And it was the advisory member of upstate New York.
Regional thing.
jordan holmes
It was the most nothing that could be nothing.
dan friesen
Yeah, just a collection of business owners who give feedback to the Federal Reserve.
unidentified
Right.
jordan holmes
Ooh.
Boy, that is.
That isn't legally actionable, though, of course, because it's like, wait, that's not slander.
dan friesen
No, it's a lie, but yeah.
jordan holmes
Yeah, but it's almost a compliment.
dan friesen
Yeah, yeah.
All it is is just trying to create more powerful victims for Alex to be attacking or to be attacked by.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
But then beyond that, him talking about people, like TB is streaming in and stuff like that.
Man, we went over that episode.
jordan holmes
You sure wouldn't be afraid of that if we all had vaccines.
dan friesen
Yeah, that'd be nice.
jordan holmes
That would be, oh, man, Alex.
Alex, let me get rid of one of your fears.
Get a TB vaccine.
dan friesen
I think he probably did.
You got soft-killed.
But that stuff is from the same thing.
Those fear narratives came out of the Breitbart stories about Idaho.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
And we went over that.
There were six cases of TB or something like that, and they were all treated.
jordan holmes
I feel like this is going to be a heavy, we already went over that episode.
dan friesen
Yeah, but don't you see, too, in his tone of voice, there's just a defeatedness?
There's like a.
jordan holmes
And he's throwing up old shit, too.
dan friesen
Real old shit.
jordan holmes
That's a little bit surprising because by now he should have had a new narrative.
dan friesen
And get this, this next clip, he brings up something super old, and it's embarrassing, but...
jordan holmes
Y2K?
Is he afraid of a new Y2K?
dan friesen
No, but I did find a clip where he talks about that.
jordan holmes
Of course.
dan friesen
That's on a fucking shot.
jordan holmes
Of course.
dan friesen
He talks about how he was angry at Putin in 2000, and maybe he was wrong to be mad at him.
Oh, boy.
Yeah.
We're going to get to that next episode.
unidentified
Okay, all right.
dan friesen
But be that as it may, in this clip, get real excited because the intro music is hot.
And then Alex is.
jordan holmes
If it's Heidi, I swear to God, I'm going to kill you.
dan friesen
It's not.
Okay.
After the intro music, Alex Jones talks and it gets substantially less hot.
alex jones
It's a confidence game.
I don't have a degree in psychology or a doctorate or a medical doctorate like Dr. Steve.
jordan holmes
You don't even have an associate.
alex jones
But just growing up, I noticed people who were delusional.
They'd be like five years old and be a little girl imagining she was a princess.
Or you'd be a little kid imagining you were Superman.
But after about age three, I remember saying to my friends, I don't want to play Superman because I'm not really Superman.
jordan holmes
You are the most boring person.
alex jones
And then you get around people in life that just get on these power trips and they just think they're invincible.
And they always make the biggest mistakes in business, in life, you name it.
dan friesen
Don't fade that music.
alex jones
I don't know what you call that, but I look at the Democrats, the Republican leadership, you name it.
They're on these power trips, the looks on their faces.
I wouldn't buy a car from them.
If they were my neighbor, I'd be freaked out by it.
They just look crazy.
I mean, Hillary, all the time, looks insane.
Walking around, like seething, with her eyes bugged out, like she just snorted a bunch of methamphetamine with a new weird cross on her face with a bunch of other weird sycophants running around behind her.
I don't know what you call this psychological.
unidentified
I totally disagree with the sycophants.
alex jones
And now we've got Nancy Pelosi.
Every time she speaks, almost saying George W. Bush is still president and not knowing what legislation is.
They think that Trump's in bed with an attack on Korea with Putin.
I mean, these people have less knowledge than a junior high student.
dan friesen
That's fascinating.
That is from six, eight months ago.
alex jones
Yeah.
dan friesen
This is from early on in the show.
jordan holmes
Way old.
dan friesen
That is one time Nancy Pelosi had a slip of the tongue.
One time Maxine Waters had a slip of the tongue and said Korea when she meant Crimea.
Nancy Pelosi accidentally said George W. Bush when she meant to say Trump.
jordan holmes
Well, that means she's a junior high student.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
It's a slip of the tongue that happened once.
And Alex is, he keeps saying.
jordan holmes
He's got fucking nothing.
dan friesen
He's saying that they keep saying it, that it's just constantly happening.
They're senile.
They're crazy.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Look at them.
They're out there saying George W. Bush is president.
He's creating the perception for his dumbass audience that, you know, hey, it's a lingering thing as opposed to a slip of the tongue.
unidentified
Yeah, that's why.
jordan holmes
Those people who just think they're invincible are the ones who commit the worst mistakes in business.
You know, a lot of those people will file for bankruptcy.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
Not once, but maybe four to eight times.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
Somewhere in between their owners.
dan friesen
The name on a steak company.
jordan holmes
Oh, yeah.
A lot of those people will just say some flat-out slanderous shit and they'll get sued.
Like, it'd be terrible if they did that.
dan friesen
And then sometimes they accidentally become president and then say that transgender people can't be in the military and then their whole military is like, nah.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
They get cucked out by their own military.
jordan holmes
Oh, man.
dan friesen
So anyway, yeah.
I just love the idea, generally speaking, of Alex Jones talking about people being crazy because that's wild.
jordan holmes
And we're going to bring in Spencer Pratt to kind of talk a little bit more about these people being crazy.
dan friesen
Spencer Pratt's going to be on the show to talk about how all these Democrats really just want attention or are willing to do anything to get it.
jordan holmes
Oh, yeah.
And he's going to be talking to my personal trainer as well.
We're going to get them all in here.
We're going to get a Skype three-way.
dan friesen
And he'll just end up us talking about how it's okay to be abusive to women muscling in.
Anyway, the other thing that I wanted to point out there is his description of Hillary Clinton.
Eyes bulging out like she's done methamphetamine.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
Describing himself, and he has done meth multiple times in his life.
jordan holmes
And he is surrounded by sycophants.
dan friesen
Absolutely.
Buckley.
Anyway, this next clip.
unidentified
Alex, could you please stop sleeping with my wife?
dan friesen
Which one?
Which one?
Anyway, this next one.
jordan holmes
You know which one I liked the most?
alex jones
Number four.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Yeah, she was great.
jordan holmes
Anyway.
I like the idea of the two of them reminiscing over his wife.
dan friesen
We're on to like number seven now, probably.
Four is three back.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
So, as we mentioned, Alex Jones has a lot of stuff on his plate at the moment.
One of those things is that John Oliver on Last Week Tonight This Week put out a piece.
It was a 20-minute exploration of Alex Jones' supplements, and he went pretty hard on them.
Did expose a lot of the stuff that we've talked about, like how Dr. Group is a chiropractor.
The only difference is they actually contacted the schools and found out that he doesn't have an undergraduate degree, which that was beyond what we knew.
jordan holmes
Yeah, we didn't know that one.
dan friesen
That's great to know.
But, you know, Alex, when I saw that piece, I knew what Alex was going to do.
And it's not as bad as the Bonnie Ver thing, because the Bonnie Ver stuff he can actively use as propaganda on his own show.
He can twist it and make it, you know, propaganda.
With this, I saw the avenue of defense really easily.
Like, it's so clear what it is.
I think I even texted you what he was going to do.
And it's just what he's going to say that the globalists are trying to cut off my money supply.
They've already attacked us by taking us off Google Ads.
They keep trying to discredit me.
And they know that they can't take me down.
I don't rely on advertising.
I just rely on you getting the pills, you getting all of my supplements.
jordan holmes
So this time they went after the supplements.
dan friesen
Right.
And this is the great globalist attack that I've been telling you is going to come.
And that more or less is what he is basically his response to it.
But again, he says that they're lying about all of his stuff.
jordan holmes
Boy, they are not.
dan friesen
They're not, but it's interesting.
jordan holmes
They did exactly what we hope to do, which is take him in context.
dan friesen
Uh-huh.
jordan holmes
And they did a great job.
dan friesen
They did, but there's a greater context that they missed.
Like, John Oliver did mention the globalist a couple times, but he didn't really, like, audiences probably glanced past that, not realizing what he was talking about.
But be that as it may, you might be surprised by exactly what really sticks in Alex's craw about the Oliver report.
jordan holmes
Ooh, man, now.
Oh, it's the shirtless pick.
dan friesen
No, it's.
jordan holmes
No, goddammit.
dan friesen
The vanity of Alex would make you think that that's the case.
It's not.
It's actually, I don't think you could possibly guess.
alex jones
To make it sound like we're dirty and bad, we're so kooky.
He says we sell the toxic of dead domesticated birds like we're killing parrots or something.
Now, imagine if I said, we sell the meat of dead domesticated birds.
dan friesen
Okay.
alex jones
That sounds gross.
If we sold chicken.
dan friesen
Fine.
alex jones
But they make it sound bad.
And they even attack that we sell coffee.
High-quality, southern Mexican, high-mountain, nice pivot.
Super high-level.
dan friesen
Basically, you're seeing what I was hoping you would see immediately.
Yes, he's turning this.
jordan holmes
He's turning it into an ad.
dan friesen
He's turning coverage of John Oliver's stuff into an ad, which is pretty smart on his part.
jordan holmes
Really smart on his part.
dan friesen
But the other thing is, John Oliver didn't talk about the coffee stuff.
That was from the Goop article, the article talking about how his products are the same as Goop.
And they weren't attacking him.
jordan holmes
And he did the same thing there where he's like, we just sell coffee.
Like, coffee is his defense.
dan friesen
Yes, it's the Patriot blend or whatever that has the weird mushrooms and your weird added chemicals in it and stuff like that.
That's what people are making fun of.
Not coffee, the fact that you have vitality coffee and stuff like that.
He's misleading even in his attempts to say that people are misleading you.
jordan holmes
If you're a fan of Thrilling Adventure Hour, you could call Alex the king of coffee.
dan friesen
Indeed.
alex jones
Or $5 less than they sell it in Whole Foods.
We get it from the exact same Chiapas farmers.
Chiapas.
I drank the coffee 20 years ago.
I love it.
I went, made the connections.
We get it from the farmer co-ops for $5 less than it is in stores.
It's a good deal.
Weg of America coffee.
They want to make fun of the fact that we sell things.
dan friesen
So this is the other defense that he has is that everybody just wants to make fun of the fact that they're like, I sell things.
Everybody sells things.
It's like, that's not, you don't get it.
Also, I want to say that Steve Pieczenik is on hold this entire time.
jordan holmes
Of course.
Of course.
dan friesen
He's already talked to Steve for about a couple minutes, and then he goes on this long round.
The clip that I have pulled is six minutes long, and I don't have all of it.
So Steve Pieczenik is on Skype just holding and not saying anything for maybe 10 minutes.
jordan holmes
Oh, that sucks.
That's why you shouldn't do Skype interviews with Alex.
Like, at least if you're like, if you're on the phone, you can at least do something else while he's talking.
But if you're on the Skype interviewer, you're just kind of standing there.
Yep.
dan friesen
He's like, I fucking wrote books with Tom Clancy.
unidentified
What am I doing?
dan friesen
He just asked me on hold to scream about John Oliver for 10 minutes?
Anyway, back to this.
alex jones
So here's a brief clip of him engaging in alchemy, making it sound weird that we sell a high-quality bone broth formula.
It's turmeric, chocolate mushrooms.
Bee pollen and more superfoods.
Here it is.
john oliver
A chocolate-flavored drink mix made from bee pollen, stevia, and the dust of chicken skeletons.
Now, according to InfoWars, it is one of the most popular new health trend in the world today.
And by the look on Jones' face, it tastes exactly as good as it sounds.
alex jones
Pour that in on a couple ice cubes to folks when it's creamy and thick.
dan friesen
So you can't tell because of the overlapping audio here, but two things.
If you haven't seen the John Oliver piece, he plays a clip of Alex sitting down with Buckley, and he takes a drink of the caveman.
And he grimaces.
He will later try and be like, I was surprised at how good it tastes.
But it's not.
It's very obvious.
The second thing, Alex has picture in a picture going on Infowars.com right now.
So they're playing the John Oliver video, and he's on the side.
So a video of him fake laughing.
You'll hear laughter over this.
That's Alex.
And it's him doing insane fake laughter, trying to show that, like, I don't even care.
Look how stupid they are.
And it's, it's, again, it's, it's Heidi and Spencer level acting.
It's terrible.
alex jones
That is shit all over Spider.
It's got all the bone broth and so much more.
This is why the ancients, they believed we're had such better bones.
We're so much healthier.
You look it up.
You could freeze this.
This would be better than bluebell chocolate ice cream.
jordan holmes
There's the grimace.
john oliver
I know for a fact that Alex Jones did not enjoy drinking that glass on caveman because I have got a glass of caveman right here and I can confirm to you that it tastes exactly how you imagine a drink would taste.
alex jones
Okay, I'm going to stop right there.
I'm going to do an analysis of this today or tomorrow.
It's a 20-minute piece.
dan friesen
I care about it.
alex jones
He spit the whole show on it, basically, and it's all lies.
He says Jones spends close to 25% of his time plugging products.
If you count plugs on air and the ads, that's the standard for broadcast radio and TV.
Okay?
25% of an hour is 15, and that's the industry average 30 years ago.
It's more like 19 minutes now.
Shall we have less than the industry standard of radio and TV broadcasts?
dan friesen
So here is what Alex is doing.
He is a big fan of double counting things.
And so when John Oliver says on one of the shows we analyzed, 25% of the show was him talking about his pills or directly selling them.
And I just say pills as a placeholder, whatever.
Alex saying that 15 minutes of the show every hour is ads is not emotion.
That's not honest.
jordan holmes
We know 15 minutes of the show is station ads.
dan friesen
No.
Well, yeah.
jordan holmes
And then another 15 minutes is his ads.
dan friesen
Well, yes, because we know from we have a copy of his contract, his syndication contract.
Yeah.
And 12 minutes.
It's on Infowars.com.
It's there.
12 minutes of the 15 minutes that are commercials that are on the show go to the station in question.
They can play their own ads.
Then three minutes go to Alex.
So Alex, the arrangement is supposed to be that is how he gets paid because there is no fee to syndicate the show.
Now, what he's not taking into account is that that is the 15 minutes.
The 12 minutes that the station gets is their incentive to run your goddamn show.
That has nothing to do.
You just give that up.
The fact that you spend, I would say, probably 25 is generous.
jordan holmes
That's what I was thinking the whole time.
dan friesen
In terms of a precise.
jordan holmes
I thought Alex was lying about what John Oliver actually said.
dan friesen
I'm going to start keeping track.
I'm going to buy a stopwatch, and I'm just going to keep track.
jordan holmes
Your phone has a stopwatch.
dan friesen
I can't do it while I'm watching the episodes, though, because I'm always on my phone at work.
I'm watching the YouTube work.
jordan holmes
This is not something to admit publicly.
dan friesen
This is not a great life.
jordan holmes
This is like you're attacking Hamdi Ulakaya.
dan friesen
Well, look, so Alex Jones is double dipping in the same way that Trump's budget double counts money, in the same way that Alex.
jordan holmes
The most recent one triple counts it.
dan friesen
And Alex Jones double and triple counts audience things and YouTube hits and all that stuff.
He's doing the exact same thing with advertising time.
And this is why people make fun of you for ads, like doing so many ads.
It's because it's unethical.
The thing that is appropriate is commercial time.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Showtime.
Commercial time, showtime.
Commercial breaks.
It's unethical for you to sell products manipulatively into what we're seeing right now.
He sold coffee in the middle of this, what's supposed to be analysis, media analysis, or defending myself against John Oliver.
Right.
Just throws in a completely superfluous plug for the coffee.
That's unethical.
This is 10 minutes of the show.
So if this is 10 minutes of one of the hours, that's one sixth right there.
This isn't the only plug he did.
jordan holmes
Nope.
dan friesen
And that doesn't count the commercial time.
In that hour would be 15 minutes.
That's 25 minutes of the hour already that's covered by some sort of commercial.
Does another commercial, probably five minutes, let's say?
That's an entire half that's taken up by non-content.
jordan holmes
And even then, a lot of his ads are like a lot of his narratives spin into the ads.
dan friesen
Like the financial collapse is coming and then the buy gold.
unidentified
By gold.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah.
So even his real show is actually an advertisement for his ads.
dan friesen
In many ways, in the sense that a lot of his stuff is supposed to create fear.
Like a lot of his narratives are built on othering minorities and vulnerable populations, making you afraid that you're going to be killed by roving gangs of black people, making you afraid of financial collapse, afraid of the communism that's creeping around every corner, every leftist around every corner.
It is supposed to get you to buy food for your family.
He calls it insurance you can eat, the storable food he sells.
You know, everything.
The selenium, the gun parts, colloidal silver.
I think he doesn't do that anymore.
I'm not entirely sure.
But he does sell bulletproof vests.
jordan holmes
All right, well, there we go again.
dan friesen
But like all those other things, all the pills are supposed to give you back your humanity that the globalists have taken from you.
Every single narrative is basically feeding into the pitch.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
So 25 is absolutely not true.
50 is even spiritually not true.
So, Alex, you don't understand what people are critiquing you for.
jordan holmes
At this time, I actually genuinely think he doesn't understand that.
dan friesen
It's possible, but you'd never be able to tell.
jordan holmes
No, that's.
dan friesen
It's impossible for us to discern the line between willful lying and I don't get it.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Because he is too much of an ego to say he doesn't get it.
alex jones
He wouldn't know that because he's on HBO, which is owned by Time Warner that made $28 million last year ripping folks off on cable.
So hated, one of the most hated companies in the world that they've changed their name twice.
jordan holmes
Listen, it's not cable.
dan friesen
Listen, it's HBO.
Everyone hates cable.
Every cable company, charter, RVN, whatever.
What's the one here?
RCN?
Is that it?
jordan holmes
Oh, I have Comcast, man.
dan friesen
See, Comcast, they're the most hated company in the world.
Yeah.
Every cable company, everyone hates them, Alex.
This is not special.
jordan holmes
And now is a good time to get into monopolies.
I think you and I are going to solve this problem right now.
Whenever you have a single source for any kind of product in any situation, a lot of the times it's a good thing.
alex jones
There's this guy acting like it's bad that we sell a bone broth formula that is so popular.
I mean, it's literally hard to quantify, but we're talking about the amount of nutrients that you get in 50 bowls of chicken soup per serving.
I mean, something ridiculous.
That's not.
You can't really quantify it.
It's amazing.
dan friesen
Or bio people.
But like, okay, he's saying, I don't know if, you know, if you get more vitamins than you need, generally it doesn't do anything bad to you.
Just pee them out.
Whatever.
It's not really that negative of a thing.
But he's saying you can't quantify it.
It's like 50 bowls of chicken soup.
Hey, guess what?
You can quantify it.
It's numbers.
jordan holmes
And you just did.
Yeah.
dan friesen
You just did a ballpark or whatever.
But it would be very easy to figure out: oh, here's the nutrition information on chunky soup.
Here's the nutrition information on Caveman.
You could easily tell.
jordan holmes
Yeah, what you should be doing is if, like, you can't quantify it.
It's like a stardust amount of chicken soup.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
Yeah, yeah.
You have to bring in non-specific language if you want to play that shit.
unidentified
Of course.
dan friesen
So he goes on.
jordan holmes
It's like the tears of children amount of chicken soup that you need.
dan friesen
We still haven't gotten to the thing that really makes him mad, which is really funny to me.
jordan holmes
Oh, we still haven't gotten there?
dan friesen
He's mad about all of this, but there's one particular thing.
It's that grimace.
jordan holmes
Oh, he doesn't like that he didn't like it.
dan friesen
So he really has to defend himself against these allegations that he thinks his own product is crossed.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
It gets so wild.
alex jones
EQQ, he makes fun of the fact that we're talking about the fact that that's known for nerve growth factor.
You can even make claims with that because it's recognized as a drug all over the world.
Not a mirror.
If it's a food, we can sell it.
They're trying to make it a drug right now.
No one debates bio-PQQ and that we have the organic source that the Japanese Mishabishi makes.
And it's expensive.
We have to go through a medical doctor to get it from.
dan friesen
Not Dr. Group, but I always think he's saying Mitsubishi, and it's like Bio-PQQ is only found in cars or something.
jordan holmes
Yeah, he said Mitsubishi.
dan friesen
I think it's Mishubishi or something like that.
Mitsubishi.
I think it's something like that.
I haven't looked into it, but it cannot be Mitsubishi.
jordan holmes
It can?
dan friesen
No, it can't.
jordan holmes
Look, man.
dan friesen
It can't be.
jordan holmes
I do not know.
dan friesen
It can't be a secondary car dealer.
jordan holmes
A lot of corporations put their hands into different stuff.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
It's a lot like how we have four major networks or seven, and they control all of our media, really.
alex jones
Okay, so they almost talk about it.
This is how it gets in college.
And how they take something and turn it bad.
Now, the reason I didn't know Buckley had put milk in it because I've been drinking it for weeks when it came in, and it tastes okay in water, okay?
I mean, it's very strong.
It tastes okay.
Doesn't work with vanilla flavor.
It works with chocolate and strawberry flavor.
He added milk, put it in the blender, and I was like, why is this super good now?
It went from okay.
I said that in the full piece.
I said, what's going on?
This is lighter color.
He said, no, no, no, no.
I drink it with milk.
So I asked him to go make me some so I do it on air.
So the reason I'm going, why is that so good now?
It's because it tasted okay before, and with milk, it tastes amazing.
You add ice into it.
It tastes like a frosty from Wendy's or something.
The point is, you know what?
I'm going to do the John Oliver Challenge.
I'm going to announce it later.
I've figured out what it is yet, but I'm going to do something like a discount for folks to get it.
And you can return it if you don't think it tastes great with milk.
jordan holmes
You don't think it tastes great with milk.
dan friesen
I'm going to do the John Oliver Challenge.
I don't know what that is.
jordan holmes
I don't know what it is.
dan friesen
But probably what it's going to be is a sale, which we already are doing.
alex jones
Of course.
dan friesen
And if you want to return it, you can.
That's not the John Oliver Challenge.
That's decent business practices.
jordan holmes
Who is the girl who is the woman on the show who professed to love it?
Did Millie Weaver?
dan friesen
That's Rainbow Snatch.
jordan holmes
Yeah, Rainbow Snatch.
He said she loved it.
dan friesen
She swore by it.
I believe that was Owen Schroyer who was bullying her into talking about how much she loved it.
And she did say she loved it.
Tastes like chocolate.
I love chocolate.
I don't know.
I don't think she's gone.
jordan holmes
Oh, you think she's gone?
dan friesen
I haven't seen her in forever.
unidentified
Oh, boy.
Yeah.
dan friesen
Leanne McAdoo is still occasionally making these video appearances over Skype.
So she's sort of out of pocket.
Millie Weaver is totally gone as far as I can tell.
Ashley Beckford is totally gone.
I don't know where any of these people are.
They're in the wind.
jordan holmes
Listen, Millie.
We loved Rainbow Snatch.
dan friesen
Loved it.
jordan holmes
Loved it.
dan friesen
It was revolutionary comedy.
jordan holmes
Alex has never fake laughed so much.
That makes us feel good.
dan friesen
You know, he's talking about small bullets.
He laughs.
jordan holmes
That's true.
dan friesen
Anyway, there's a little more here.
alex jones
I've now done it with protein powder and milk even better.
My kids love it.
And believe me, they wouldn't be drinking if they didn't like it.
They're so healthy drinking it.
It's just crazy that they think you're so stupid.
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jordan holmes
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alex jones
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You're going to have to lock it.
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One more thing he did is he said that I claim the competition will kill you in Cloyle Silver.
I said in the full clip, don't go to someplace like a drugstore and get topical iodine and drink it because it's not the same type of iodine and will eat a hole in your stomach and can kill you.
That's a fact.
I'm saying, it's not that I'm saying that's competition.
It's not for ingestion.
And people have emailed us and said, can I just buy the stuff at the store that's topical?
And I'm like, no, talk to your physician.
It says on the bottle, don't drink it.
It's poison.
Ours is a totally different type of iodine.
But again, that's how they manipulate your mind.
I'm going to give them the floor for the rest of the hour.
Steve Pieczenik, StevePachenek.com.
It's just that this is a war.
We're trying to cut off our funding.
dan friesen
So there you go.
jordan holmes
There it is.
There it was.
That's the narrative.
dan friesen
But also, there's true comedy in just being reminded that Steve Pieczenik is a respected man around town, and he's had to sit there through all this.
Also, you've got the dumbest fucking audience in the world if they are like, Alex, should I drink iodine?
If you have trained an audience that is that dumb, I think they should all drink iodine.
I think they should run that risk.
jordan holmes
Whoa, Dan, you're stepping into my territory there.
dan friesen
Well, I mean, if that is what they're inclined to do based on hearing Alex, I don't know if we have a responsibility to stop them.
But be that as it may, Alex is also misrepresenting things I have heard on a couple episodes.
I didn't have time because I have a fucking day job, but I have heard a couple times him saying that other iodines, not like the liquid topical iodines, will kill you.
So him saying that is pretty dishonest.
I'll find the clips from the archive and post them somewhere.
jordan holmes
I can't imagine those exist.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Like every time.
Yeah.
So Steve Pieczenik has been on hold this whole time.
jordan holmes
God love you, Steve.
dan friesen
I think he knows that Alex is in a weird mood.
And so he spends most of the time that he's on talking about, well, he talks a bit about how Hillary's crazy and that Trump is great.
You know, there's that standard stuff.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
But what I took away from it more was that he was giving Alex a pep talk.
He was giving him a little bit of a, hey, don't be down on yourself, buddy.
jordan holmes
You're still our Messiah.
Come on, man.
dan friesen
The media's attacking you.
jordan holmes
It's only you.
You're the only one who can stop the globalists.
dan friesen
Yeah, I think he knows that he needs to.
Alex is back from vacation.
He needs to get his head back in the game.
And the only way to do that is to kiss his ass a little bit.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
So here is...
jordan holmes
Stakes are higher here, man.
dan friesen
Here is Steve Pieczenik talking about how much of a rapier wit Alex Jones has.
jordan holmes
Oh, God, no.
steve pieczenik
I know you very well.
I would suggest you either invite Oliver on your show and have a discussion or go at it because you have a far better.
alex jones
I will invite him and his writers on because we all know Oliver is a composite.
steve pieczenik
No, I understand, but I want just you and Oliver because the wit that you have is far sharper than anybody realizes.
Let me tell you something about yourself that you don't appreciate.
Whatever you are or you're not, you are an incredible wit that can absorb things at a very high speed.
And you've got to use that as a weapon to basically say, okay, they've been knocking me down, but you know what?
I'm still up.
So you got an Anderson Cooper.
Go and talk to him.
I mean, Anderson can't match your own wit.
alex jones
We've invited them all on the show.
steve pieczenik
Well, then fine, then go on their show.
And so you went with Megan Kelly.
What did it do?
It increased your ratings.
dan friesen
Yeah, and you looked like a sweaty biatch on it.
You looked like a disaster.
jordan holmes
Yeah, nobody looked good.
dan friesen
And we're still waiting for you to release those unedited videos, Alex.
So please, at any point now, release those things that prove that she manipulatively edited you.
He released one little thing a couple weeks back, and it really didn't show.
It just showed that they edit because it's a TV show.
jordan holmes
It's a TV show.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
They edit because they're professionals and they want to create a slick product that's not just yelling about how it tasted better than I thought.
jordan holmes
Not worse.
Even Alex edits.
That's why we don't get the good karaoke every time.
dan friesen
No, that's not Alex.
That's whoever is reposting.
jordan holmes
Right, but he has to know that.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Yeah, that's true.
jordan holmes
You know, no.
Are you saying that the people who repost it are cutting out karaoke on their own?
dan friesen
Yeah, I think they are.
Because I think that they realize it's embarrassing.
jordan holmes
Oh, man.
dan friesen
It's crazy.
jordan holmes
We got a new conspiracy theory now.
dan friesen
Well, I think these people who are reposting it are info warriors.
jordan holmes
I think they're globalists trying to keep us away from the real truth.
dan friesen
So you think that the globalists are behind Alex Jones and want to cover up his singing?
jordan holmes
No, I think they know that Alex's real power comes from his magnificent voice.
dan friesen
Oh, yeah.
And also, I'd like to apologize and thank our buddy Michael, who pointed out, as we failed to point out on our last episode, whenever Alex did do that karaoke and he's like, that's Randy Rhodes.
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
dan friesen
Randy Rhodes was dead when that song was recorded.
jordan holmes
That was not Randy Rhodes.
dan friesen
I love that.
That's so great.
jordan holmes
That's such a nice little detail of all the lies.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
That's the one we're most angry about.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
If I could just get an apology from Alex about that, we can end the show.
We're good.
jordan holmes
We did what we set out to do.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
So we have one more clip.
Also, Alex does not have a strong wit.
He would be destroyed in any sort of conversation.
jordan holmes
Alex couldn't even convince people he didn't agree with David Duke on everything.
unidentified
Absolutely.
dan friesen
Yeah, that's a testament to that.
jordan holmes
Alex has no wit.
He is completely unable to hold a conversation.
dan friesen
And John Oliver, Stephen Colbert, they do have a writing staff because they put on a professional show every day.
And they do it at a much higher caliber than Alex Jones.
Now, the reason that Alex thinks...
jordan holmes
But they are both accomplished comedians.
dan friesen
And improvisers.
jordan holmes
And they're very quick.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
No, it's the same thing with people who are like, oh, I bet I'm the best heckler there's ever been and I'm going to shut this comedian down.
It's like, dude, I do this.
Just leave it alone.
Like, if Alex tried to talk to John Oliver, it would be John Oliver says one sentence, it breaks Alex Jones' heart, and then he shouts for the next 20 minutes.
dan friesen
Yeah, I mean, hasn't he ever seen these people like Colbert or Jon Stewart on conservative talk shows?
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
They don't have writers there.
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
And it's devastating.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Jon Stewart destroyed Tucker Carlson's career for like three years.
dan friesen
More than that.
He had to go hide in a bow tie for retire the bow tie because it was so damn good.
Right.
Be that as it may.
We have one more clip, and it's just sort of indicative.
Like I said, this is a really boring show.
Like, I wanted it to be an hour of him responding to John Oliver.
unidentified
Oh, of course.
dan friesen
And maybe that's what the next day will be.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
We don't know that because it's only Tuesday when we're recording.
jordan holmes
But we don't live in the future.
dan friesen
And if it is, we're going to have to convene an emergency session and go all over his Oliver shit.
But I mean, it'll just be a repetition of this, basically.
jordan holmes
He should probably hire a writer to help him.
dan friesen
Maybe a team.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
But like I said, it's super boring, and it's because of these things that we're seeing.
It's all very repetitive.
It's old stuff.
He's going with these things that he thinks are good bits, like the Nancy Pelosi thinks that George Bush is president, like Linda Sarsour, like Hillary's Bang and Huma Abedin.
All this, like, you need a new act, bro.
This is like a comic who's on year four of doing the same 10 minutes.
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Or I would say it's even more like If I'm at 15 and I want to do something new and then I just it just slips out of my mind without thinking, I'll just go into something old just to get just to get myself to that next bit.
While like I'll be talking and in the back of my head, I'm thinking, wait, what was the bit that I want to do?
Like I'm not paying attention to what I'm saying.
dan friesen
I would argue that it's possible that the new bit he wanted to do was this new Seth Rich narrative and didn't have like the juice to actually do it.
It's possible that that's the case.
That was his new bit and then he just went with the old classics.
But he has Jerome Corsi on towards the end of the show and they just do another old bit.
jordan holmes
Mispronounced meme.
dan friesen
Yeah.
alex jones
And now you see Trump come out last week and said, if you don't repeal it, I can just cut the funding out of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac that Obama using executive power allowed to be looted.
And he also hinted that he's not going to let Congress continue to have the best health care in the world and have the taxpayer paid for, that he'll try to get legislation sponsored to take that away.
jordan holmes
That's how you win friends.
alex jones
Don't you think that'd be popular?
I say get rid of it.
It's like Trump gives up his paycheck.
So they're calling him a loser because in six months he didn't get it repealed.
He's a total winner for fighting hard to repeal it and getting a good bill that Rand Paul called a good bill.
It has Rand Paul and Ron Paul endorsing it.
That's a big deal.
dan friesen
No, it's not.
But also.
jordan holmes
Yeah, but did he win, though?
dan friesen
Didn't.
He's a loser.
jordan holmes
He didn't.
He's a loser.
dan friesen
But also, there's the nice propaganda in there that, you know, Trump gives up his paycheck, which again is small potatoes compared to what he's skimming.
Right.
jordan holmes
Or compared to what he's stealing.
dan friesen
Yeah.
And what just his personal enrichment from being president has been.
jordan holmes
Didn't Scaramucci say that he was going to give up his salary too?
dan friesen
Probably.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I think he did.
You know, he wasn't technically hired yet.
dan friesen
Yeah, he was.
jordan holmes
He wasn't supposed to start for another few days.
dan friesen
Yeah, that's bad.
jordan holmes
That's hilarious.
dan friesen
It's pretty bad.
jordan holmes
That is like this is right back to the thick of it where it's like, look, if you get fired next year, it's because you fucked up.
unidentified
Right.
jordan holmes
If you get fired next week, it's because I fucked up.
That's what it looks like.
dan friesen
There's some of that.
jordan holmes
And Trump fucked up.
dan friesen
Yeah, but I mean, these guys, like Roger Stone, comes on the show, and his argument is that Scaramucci was a political suicide bomber.
And he flamed out on purpose in order to take out Spicer and Priebus, who are two globalist strongholds.
So he goes in there.
jordan holmes
You actually believe that as much as anything else.
dan friesen
I don't.
I think he's just a loudmouth asshole who didn't realize he was on the record until it was too late.
jordan holmes
No, he's apparently he said he knew he was on the record.
dan friesen
Well, no, people say that because he said he requested to go off the record later.
And that indicates that he would have known he was on the record earlier, but it's totally possible that he just realized it halfway into the conversation.
jordan holmes
Right, right.
dan friesen
So I don't think that that's proof that he knew he was on the record.
It's just fuck.
jordan holmes
That's true.
Yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
But I mean, like.
jordan holmes
He had that brief moment of like, what did I say?
dan friesen
You can't work in the White House and say that Steve Bannon wants to suck his own dick.
You just can't do it.
jordan holmes
But see, that means, to me, that means he's the perfect person to work in that White House.
dan friesen
I don't think so.
jordan holmes
Absolutely.
Are you kidding me?
That's one, that's hilarious.
Two, I like it when people, I like whenever that veneer of political speak is just gone.
And he's just like.
dan friesen
Go hang out with Cernovich.
jordan holmes
This motherfucker wants, but fuck you if you want to be like, if you want to say what you want to say about Bannon, you can say it like more poetically, but nothing quite gets to the point like Bannon wants to suck his own dick.
dan friesen
Right.
Say it with your friends.
Don't say it in the paper.
Because here's why.
Even if we don't like these people like Steve Bannon and Scaramucci and don't really give a fuck if they get fired or drown, at the same time.
jordan holmes
On fire, hit by a truck.
dan friesen
Or a lorry in England.
But, like, even if you don't care.
jordan holmes
Did their own dick suck?
dan friesen
Even if you don't care, it's still really degrading to our government.
It's really degrading to the idea of decency and working order for these people to behave this way publicly.
jordan holmes
But haven't you seen those videos where the Japanese parliament got into real fistfights?
dan friesen
That's not us, though.
jordan holmes
That's pretty fun.
unidentified
Sure.
jordan holmes
I would rather live in a world where Paul Ryan got punched in the face.
Are you shitting me?
dan friesen
I wouldn't mind that.
jordan holmes
Paul Ryan loses any fight Paul Ryan has ever been in.
dan friesen
If there was a possibility for armed or like physical conflict in the House, the Senate, that would be interesting.
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Oh, I want Kamala Harris right next to me.
She's who I want in a foxhole if I'm fighting Paul Ryan and Mitch McConnell.
dan friesen
The problem is, if physical contact were possible within the House, the Republicans would pull for open carry in the future.
jordan holmes
That's true.
dan friesen
Then it would just turn into duels.
There we go, Alex.
jordan holmes
Well, there we go.
Yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
We found it.
jordan holmes
Not too bad.
dan friesen
So, yeah, I mean, oh, the other thing with that clip is he's just going back to the Fannie Freddie narrative that we've already gone over.
That's total bullshit.
It's just, it's boring.
jordan holmes
He can, I mean, do you think he just misspoke there?
Because Trump can withhold subsidies for Obamacare.
So do you think he just doesn't know that those are different things?
dan friesen
I don't think he understands the concept of money being fungible in the government.
That you can just move it around.
Money that comes in is money that goes out.
jordan holmes
You can just put it wherever.
dan friesen
I think that he might.
But if he does know that, then he's just trying to score points and pretend that his Jerome Corsi's reporting was correct.
jordan holmes
Right.
Okay, so that's.
Okay, now I get that.
dan friesen
It's probably just exploitation of what Trump could do.
I don't think that Trump has come out and made any claims about Fannie and Freddie because that would be wild.
jordan holmes
No.
If Trump knows about Fannie and Freddie, I would be shocked.
dan friesen
Yeah, that would be wild.
But like, I think he must.
I mean, if he listens to Alex, he's probably heard him talk about it.
I don't know.
Look, I.
jordan holmes
Well, the crazy thing is once you become president, they take you into the back room, show you the secret book.
That teaches you how to suck your own dick.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
He'd teach you how to fan your own Freddy.
And Fred your own Fanny.
jordan holmes
Fine.
You get two points for that.
It's two to negative one.
And on that note, I'm sorry.
dan friesen
Let's get out of this boring episode we've been covering.
This has been fun, but like I just, the source material didn't do it for me today.
jordan holmes
No, this is not great.
dan friesen
I would have rather, I think, probably spent all the time talking about Heidi and Spencer.
Quite frankly, because it was.
jordan holmes
I would rather die.
dan friesen
It was a blast from the fire.
jordan holmes
I would rather you die.
dan friesen
Blast from my terrible early 20s.
unidentified
Oh, man.
dan friesen
Me and Nikki Gifts would sit around and just watch fucking Laguna Beach and argue about whether or not these kids had bright futures.
jordan holmes
All right.
dan friesen
No, Polster's a loser.
Talon.
Now, Talon, he's got it.
jordan holmes
Oh, God.
dan friesen
Talon's like number six, probably on my dad.
Anyway, you can check us out over at knowledgefight.com.
That is our website.
There's all sorts of stuff over there.
Not just the website or not just the podcast.
So please, if you're interested at all, go check it out.
There's a lot of content.
jordan holmes
Yeah, we're going to be putting out buttons soon.
I think it'll be $2 for one button.
dan friesen
Don't fucking get specific about it.
Yeah, we don't even have them made.
No, I know.
jordan holmes
I have no idea.
How much does a button cost, Dan?
dan friesen
I don't know.
Look, these are not businesses.
jordan holmes
$8?
dan friesen
$17.
jordan holmes
$17?
dan friesen
Yeah, we're taking a bath on this.
jordan holmes
Do you know what's crazy?
Shipping is free right now.
dan friesen
It's totally.
jordan holmes
It's our Easter sale.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
So I have no idea what it is.
dan friesen
People are always mad that we're trying to sell buttons.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Everyone needs buttons.
jordan holmes
I have no idea.
dan friesen
What do you, Amish?
Get a button.
They don't like buttons.
jordan holmes
How much people don't like buttons?
dan friesen
It's a sign of pride.
Anyway, you can follow us at knowledge underscore fight for more factoids like that.
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jordan holmes
Go to iTunes, subscribe to us there, leave a review.
You can email us at knowledgefight at gmail.com.
We've been getting some really, really wonderful messages.
dan friesen
Yes, thank you.
Also, yeah.
jordan holmes
Yeah, you guys have been amazing, and we're stoked.
dan friesen
Yeah, you guys are like the opposite of John Rappaport, who can fuck himself.
alex jones
Andy in Kansas, you're on the air.
Thanks for holding.
jordan holmes
Hello, Alex.
I'm a first-time caller.
unidentified
I'm a huge fan.
alex jones
I love your work.
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