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June 19, 2017 - Knowledge Fight
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#54: Megyn Kelly Interview Pt. 1
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alex jones
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dan friesen
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jordan holmes
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jon ronson
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alex jones
Andy in Kansas, you're on the air.
Thanks for holding.
unidentified
Hello, Alex.
jordan holmes
I'm a first-time caller.
unidentified
I'm a huge fan.
I love your work.
alex jones
I love you.
dan friesen
Hey, everybody.
Welcome back to Knowledge Fight.
I'm Dan.
jordan holmes
I'm Jordan.
dan friesen
We're a couple of dudes who like to sit around and drink novelty beverages and talk about the wild, wild world of Alex Jones.
jordan holmes
But, uh, is there a twist to this?
dan friesen
There is.
There is a twist.
I know a lot about Alex Jones.
jordan holmes
I don't know anything about Alex Jones.
dan friesen
Today we are drinking something that is a Jordan pick.
This is Calypso Blue Ocean, ocean blue lemonade with real lemon bits, which is not enticing to my mouth.
jordan holmes
You go ahead and take the first drink.
dan friesen
I don't want to tell everybody this is a 20-ouncer.
It is blue.
jordan holmes
Yeah, oh, it's nightmarishly blue.
dan friesen
It's very seriously blue.
jordan holmes
Let's see how many carbohydrates are we looking at.
Oh, we're looking at 30. That's not bad.
dan friesen
It tastes good, but I'm worried about the pulpiness that I'm going to reach at the bottom.
jordan holmes
I'm just still mad that I forgot the coconut juice, which is just water with chunks of coconut inside of it.
dan friesen
I'm going to throw you out of my house.
jordan holmes
It is still in the refrigerator.
I'm going to throw it into your window one day.
dan friesen
Gross.
jordan holmes
I can say anything, but you know.
With coconut juice.
dan friesen
Today, Jordan.
jon ronson
Yes!
dan friesen
It is a major day in the world of Alex Jones-eology.
Which is the study that I'm engaged in.
jordan holmes
The study of Alex Jones.
dan friesen
Today is the day when Alex Jones' interview with Megyn Kelly has come out.
And we are recording this on Sunday, and as we record it, it has not come out yet.
jordan holmes
Right.
As of press time, we don't know exactly how fawning and pathetic Megyn Kelly really is.
dan friesen
Probably, yes.
That is one prediction.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
A pretty strong one.
So we are recording this.
This is part one of two episodes that we're going to be releasing today.
This is an exploration into Alex Jones' mindset before the interview and why I suspect that he knows he fucked up.
jordan holmes
Right.
So we're doing pre- and post-game.
dan friesen
Yes.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
This pre-game is going to be comprised entirely of an incredibly fucked up video that Alex Jones put out on Friday night that is about an hour long.
I have cut out almost none of it and it's scary.
It is absolutely scary and it documents a man Who has lost it and is trying so desperately to get ahead of the story.
Gotcha.
jordan holmes
Considering the fact that...
I love the criticism that people are giving him on Twitter, which is perfect because it's so obvious they have listened to 0% of Alex Jones' show.
dan friesen
Yeah, absolutely.
jordan holmes
So this kind of like...
They're always looking at Alex Jones as if he's coming from a position of strength.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
And it boggles my mind that he feels the need to get out in front of the story because nobody's paying attention who's criticizing him.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
His fans aren't going to change their minds because Megyn Kelly is like, you're a meanie.
That's what it's going to be.
dan friesen
Yeah, and if you point out the realities of situations, as we found out on Twitter this weekend...
If you point out the reality of Alex Jones, you just get called a globalist.
jordan holmes
Yeah, well.
dan friesen
So there we go.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
And we have yet to receive any money from our globalist overlords.
dan friesen
Absolutely.
So, I mean, it's a self-reinforcing system to some extent.
The thing that really bothers me the most is when I see these critiques that we're seeing on Twitter, as you mentioned.
And people don't really understand Alex Jones' worldview, even.
So, I mean, I'm not saying that you should understand it to empathize with it, but if you're going to critique him, you have to understand the globalism portion of it.
jordan holmes
Aha!
Dan, you have fundamentally misunderstood Twitter and its purpose.
dan friesen
Something I don't misunderstand is how much I appreciate our new donor.
Ladies and gentlemen, I'd like to give a shout-out to our boy, Chase.
What's up, Chase?
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
dan friesen
Welcome aboard.
Thank you for donating.
jordan holmes
Absolutely.
It's always good.
We haven't had a new policy wonk in like a couple episodes.
dan friesen
Maybe an episode or two.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
But we appreciate it.
Keep them dollars coming.
Because the globalists ain't giving us shit.
jordan holmes
Become a policy wonk, not a globalist.
dan friesen
Before we get into the meat of this episode, which I want to get to an out of context thing.
But before I do, I want to tell you, I love you.
And I'm sorry I'm doing this to you.
jordan holmes
Jesus Christ, Dan!
dan friesen
This is insanity and...
jordan holmes
You're pre-apologizing to me!
dan friesen
It's that crazy.
jordan holmes
I think you hate me.
dan friesen
This stuff is really fucked up.
jordan holmes
I think you genuinely hate me.
dan friesen
And the amount we have had to do this weekend, or the amount we've had to engage with this this weekend, is a lot to put on you and I appreciate it.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Everyone out there who tweets that I do a lot of work and you don't, or whatever.
Fuck off.
Jordan has to put up with this, and that's a lot.
jordan holmes
The emotional toll on my psyche.
dan friesen
It's unbelievable, I'm sure.
So, this out-of-context thing is not Alex Jones, but it's something that I discovered thanks to a couple of Twitter interactions that I had with listeners.
A number of people have brought up John Ronson, who's the guy who broke into Bohemian Grove along with Alex.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, along with Alex.
dan friesen
And he just walked in the front door.
He did not rummage through the bushes.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
And he has a slightly different take on the whole situation from Alex.
He was being interviewed on C-SPAN, and I'm going to play this clip from the interview because I think it's important to understand some of Alex's brain and how it works as we engage with this video he put out on Friday.
jordan holmes
Okay.
So we're gonna put together like a baseline of what a ostensible journalist is.
John Ronson is, he's a creative nonfiction writer.
And that will give us an idea of how Alex is reinterpreting that exact same experience.
dan friesen
And even John Ronson's perspective on Alex himself.
jordan holmes
Right.
unidentified
Now this C-SPAN interview, recent?
jordan holmes
Not recent?
dan friesen
It's a couple years back.
jon ronson
Okay.
unidentified
But here we go.
jon ronson
And, um, but what happened with me and I...
We both witnessed this owl-burning ceremony and I realized that it was Silly, grown-up, frat, kind of nonsense.
And the only thing that shocked me was this is, you know, how the President of the United States wants to spend his summer vacations witnessing this, you know, torchlight procession, which I thought was kind of odd.
But Alex, of course, had his own spin on it, which was that it was human sacrifice.
Maybe that's a real person there.
So I went off.
With my spin, which was, you know, a kind of moderate spin, then it's not that crazy, it's understandable.
And Alex went back to his people with his own incredibly crazy spin.
And, you know, just a couple of weeks ago, an Alex Jones fan tried to break into Bohemian Grove heavily armed and kill everybody there because he believed Alex Jones's spin of the owl ceremony as being evidence of human sacrifice.
And I remember at the time, because I'm, you know, Alex is an intelligent man, and I remember at the time saying to him, Alex, you know, you know that...
What you're saying about Bohemian Grove isn't true.
You know, you're playing with fire here.
And Alex said, yeah, I'm not going to tell my listeners that.
dan friesen
So there's at least some indication that we can get there that Alex is keenly aware of the fact that he's lying to everybody in an effort to build up his own mythos.
jordan holmes
Right, right.
dan friesen
And it always is a struggle for us to figure out exactly what is self-delusion and what is lying.
jon ronson
Right, right, right.
dan friesen
Because the line is pretty thin with Alex.
jordan holmes
A lot of the time, somehow we disagree on when he is lying versus when he believes his lies.
dan friesen
It's pretty tough to tell.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And I think there might be a point where he just, like, he was lying back then in the early 2000s, and then now he's completely bought his own hype.
jordan holmes
I think we're at the point where he believes his bullshit now.
dan friesen
It's possible.
Too much super male vitality.
Dr. Group is poisoning him.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Again, Dr. Group, a chiropractor.
A chiropractor.
jordan holmes
Again, don't say doctor.
dan friesen
No.
unidentified
Group.
dan friesen
So, we're going to start...
jordan holmes
At best, Grouper the fish.
dan friesen
Yeah, that's for the next episode.
So, Jordan, we're going to begin this video, and what I wanted to do, and the reason we're covering this...
Is I wanted to give the audience and everyone out there who doesn't listen to Alex Jones a little bit of a glimpse into what he was saying in the lead-up and how he has a platform.
He can put anything he wants on YouTube.
And so he gets to shape the narrative for his listeners.
And what you would think he would want to do is like, fuck, this is getting a lot of publicity.
There's a lot of people who are maybe new people who are coming to find me.
I should put out a video where I fucking prove everything.
I should put out a video that...
No, no, no.
You're shaking your head.
I'm saying what a reasonable person you're doing.
jordan holmes
Oh, okay, okay, okay.
dan friesen
Alex gets very defensive and spouts some of the most insane shit I've ever heard in my life.
And that's what we're going to be covering.
Unfortunately, after this, this was Friday.
On Saturday, he put out another video.
And...
It indicates to me that he doesn't have the power hand that he thinks he does.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
He's been playing this game for the last week that he has taped everything that Megyn Kelly did.
The whole time she was there, he was taping.
jordan holmes
Which, of course, is not true.
dan friesen
He has audio.
jordan holmes
Because, of course, it's not true.
Her crew would be like, stop taping this.
That's NBC.
That's not a fucking YouTube channel.
dan friesen
But I believe that he has audio of everything that happened in his studio.
I believe that, but I don't believe necessarily that he has audio of them at that restaurant that they went to that was a secured location.
I don't believe the house that he was interviewed in, he has audio of all that, unless he had just some sort of a little recorder in his pocket or something like that, but that's terrible audio.
jordan holmes
And even still, he needs to get consent.
dan friesen
Well, it would be illegal.
Well, it's Dicey.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
It's Dicey.
jordan holmes
It's Mark Dicey.
dan friesen
And that's why we're not going to be playing...
He released an audio of...
A recording of Megyn Kelly's call to him for a pre-interview.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
A couple days before the actual interview happened.
When they were discussing what it was going to be and what have you.
He says that she lied to him about stuff, but the audio of that call doesn't prove that at all.
It doesn't indicate any of the things he says.
But we're not going to be playing any of it because I do not really know the legality of it.
And I certainly don't respect Alex Jones' choice.
The idea that he's putting out private phone calls with people is...
jordan holmes
Fucked up.
dan friesen
Yeah.
To the extent that, I mean, we called Larry Nichols and we took it off the show.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
To the point, because we're like, oh fuck, we realized we messed up.
jordan holmes
Well, and I can't believe for a second that he did not have to sign some sort of NDA.
dan friesen
Uh, maybe.
I don't know.
That's an interesting angle.
But anyway, the video that he put out after the one we're going to be going over, he was saying, hey...
You guys, go ahead and put out your 11-minute interview, but I challenge you to put out the raw footage, which means to me, you don't have it.
This is an insane, this is a bluff, essentially.
This is just like a, why don't you guys do the right thing?
I could do it myself.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Why don't you do it?
jordan holmes
Maybe it's illegal for me to do it, but you guys, if you aren't such cowards, if you aren't so afraid of what the raw footage says, then you should release it.
dan friesen
Yeah, and quite frankly, if the interview is edited in an incredibly malicious way, Alex Jones could sue her.
That would fall under the sort of slander...
Right.
unidentified
Standards.
jordan holmes
Which it almost certainly is not.
dan friesen
It won't be.
unidentified
No.
dan friesen
Because NBC has an extensive legal department and it would not pass muster.
jordan holmes
Oh, good God.
dan friesen
So Alex is sort of bullshit about please...
jordan holmes
NBC's legal team would have gotten Alex Jones' kids...
Alex Jones' legal team is like, please just don't say that.
dan friesen
Dude, calm down.
jordan holmes
NBC would have put him in a muzzle.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So I don't believe his strong...
Hand that he thinks he has, but I do believe this video.
This video that he put out on Friday, I believe, is sincere.
And it is a desperate man.
It is a sad man.
It is a crushed man.
And it's...
Like I texted you earlier, it's a man with his head in a guillotine just waiting for it to drop.
That is basically what's going on.
We're going to start with this first clip.
Where he talks about how, you know, all I'm trying to do is save the world.
That's all.
That's all, man.
jordan holmes
I'm a man with modest goals.
dan friesen
Sure.
alex jones
We're live.
It's Friday night.
It's like 511 Central.
We're doing this live feed before the live news comes up tonight with David Knight and others.
7 o 'clock Central, 8 o 'clock Eastern, 6 o 'clock Mountain, 5 o 'clock Pacific.
jordan holmes
Oh, my God.
alex jones
Because there's a lot of unfinished business to cover here.
I need to respond to...
The globalist media, the forces that occupy this country that are now being removed like a cancer from the republic.
This country that a lot of people fought and died for, that is an amazing nation, despite all our problems, our vision, our dreams of our forebears have been amazing, is under the knife right now.
We're in an emergency surgery right now, pulling a globalist face sucker off of...
Our nation.
jordan holmes
Another movie reference.
alex jones
And the parasites are panicking.
Even though Trump gave them an olive branch, offered them prosperity for themselves, but also us.
Very classy move he made.
Didn't even threaten to send them to...
jordan holmes
That's a classy move.
alex jones
Abstentia.
jordan holmes
Doesn't know what that word means.
alex jones
Instead, he just simply tried to give them a better way.
Free market renaissance.
I'm going to go over that with Goldman Sachs openly making fun of America, bragging that China's infrastructure is better and that Goldman Sachs has moved industry there and that America will never come back.
I mean, these people are assholes.
dan friesen
They're assholes.
jordan holmes
I hate assholes.
dan friesen
So that's sort of the presentation.
Keep a running tally of movie.
Things, by the way.
alex jones
Okay.
dan friesen
We have the first one, the face sucker.
Globalist face sucker.
jordan holmes
Gotcha.
Now, are we going to call the parasites a reference to Empire Strikes Back whenever they're in the asteroid worm?
dan friesen
Nah, parasites are just, you know, that's fair.
That's fair.
jordan holmes
All right, we'll give them parasites.
dan friesen
So, not a whole lot to discuss there, necessarily.
There's just sort of the setup of the premise that, you know, hey, shit's bad.
Got globalist face suckers.
All we're doing, Trump is trying to commit surgery against them and send them in absentia.
Or something?
jordan holmes
Yeah, sure.
dan friesen
So, there we go.
jordan holmes
He should learn about the real Renaissance.
Like, it was free market at the time, which led to patronage and a lot of poor people who...
Absolutely starve to death.
dan friesen
Renaissance 2.0 is going to be better, though.
jordan holmes
Yeah, no, it will not.
dan friesen
No, it shan't.
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
Luckily, it's not a real thing.
It's never explained what it is.
Just a catchphrase for Alex.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it's a Renaissance 2.0.
1776 all over again!
dan friesen
It will begin again.
Also, by the way, we are on Facebook now.
I've made a Facebook page.
I haven't done anything with it.
jordan holmes
You and I both have been off Facebook for a good long while now.
You're just walking into a trap of Alex Jones's.
dan friesen
If people want to...
Find us on there.
It's Knowledge Fight on Facebook.
And just as a goof, I put our founding date is 1775.
So, anyway.
jordan holmes
That's fun.
unidentified
We have fun, guys.
dan friesen
I saw that there's a date you can add, and I was like...
Yeah, this is fun.
I got a little charge out of that.
I can't believe they let you go back this far.
That's nuts.
So in this next clip, Alex Jones lies a bit about Donald Trump and how popular he is.
alex jones
And they think you're so stupid.
But the good news is only a fraction of people are really fully awake.
But you get a fraction, 1, 2, 3 percent, that's the detonator for the big one.
And we've already got 30, 40 percent that are partially awake.
We've got 60-70% that are supporting Trump in real polls.
50 in Gallup.
They admit between 9 and 15 oversampling.
jordan holmes
That was Rasmussen.
alex jones
Against Trump.
He's at 65% despite everything they're throwing at him.
And so they've cooked up this Russia narrative and now the obstruction narrative.
dan friesen
So, yeah, that is racism.
jordan holmes
It's insane that they're legit using the, if the president does it, it's not a legal defense.
Like, that's what they're saying.
They're going on TV.
dan friesen
A lot of people are.
Legitimately using the Nixon defense.
jordan holmes
Do they not know that, like, are they just like, hey, you know what the problem was?
Nixon didn't say it often enough.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Also, the most recent Gallup poll is 40% disapprove, 54%.
I'm sorry, 54% disapprove, 39% approve.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it's Rasmussen, which has a strong, like, plus 10 point conservative bent to it.
Like, all other polls are like, we hate Trump.
And Rasmussen is like, he's okay!
dan friesen
There's a lot of interesting things to discuss in terms of methodology of statistical gathering.
And Alex really doesn't understand that, in terms of, like, Adding on to fit representation.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Those sorts of things.
When he went to junior college, I'm guessing he never took a statistics course.
That's what I'm guessing.
But it's not some sort of nefarious thing where it's like, we're going to add more Democrats in here.
It's far more complicated than that.
jordan holmes
They're trying to get a representative sample.
You have to get a certain number of people with a certain group of demographics, and at a certain point, you can kind of estimate what it is in the larger consciousness.
dan friesen
Yep, absolutely.
The more reputable polls have...
ratings mid to late 30s kind of right and then somewhere in the 50s disapproving which is hope which is exactly where trump should have uh you know gone to hell in his mid to late 30s yeah some of the more extreme polls are showing like 60 plus percent disapproval yeah stuff like that but again those are those are ones that are the rasmussen's of the other side perhaps so uh Nonsense.
And then the idea that they're cooking up Russian stuff and cooking up collusion stuff.
He's doing it to himself.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
All this stuff is not made out of...
jordan holmes
He's tweeting it!
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
His lawyer went on TV on Fox News with Wallace today and was like, you know, he's never said he's obstructing justice and he's not being investigated for it.
And then the next question was like, yeah, he knows he's being investigated for obstruction of justice.
And Wallace is sitting there going like...
No, you can't say both of those.
dan friesen
No, you can.
jordan holmes
And he did.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
And that was it.
dan friesen
It's fair game now.
jordan holmes
He was obstructing that interview.
dan friesen
Internal contradictions are fair game.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
So I told you that this is going to be really fucked up, and it's not quite yet.
But trust me, it picks up real fast.
This next clip is Alex accidentally revealing that he might be a liar.
He discusses how we need to make this entertaining.
Which, as a former comedian, and certainly I consider myself an entertainer, I recognize game.
jordan holmes
Of course.
dan friesen
I'm not going to come down on him for being entertaining.
No.
jordan holmes
Hopefully this show is entertaining.
dan friesen
I think he might be indicating in this clip that he's aware that he's doing it in a manipulative way.
jordan holmes
Okay.
alex jones
The globalists are so evil, so corrupt, so pathetic, that I'm ashamed that we're not more effective against them.
I'm no hero.
I'm here promoting freedom versus a bunch of pedophiles and devil worshippers and Islamists.
It's not hard to beat them.
jordan holmes
You've been doing it 20 years.
It seems like it's pretty tough.
alex jones
But see, we have a nation, we have a world, we have the West that is in a coma.
jordan holmes
That's also not the world if you have the West.
alex jones
An induced coma, a globalist coma.
And so a lot of us have to hit the barbed wire and make a spectacle.
And be attacked to kind of get people out of the coma.
And we've got to make this epic battle as interesting as possible because it's so interesting.
We've got to then strive with our verbal acumen and our rhetorical palate to try to illustrate to people just how amazing this fight is as we speak to them like they're sleeping and ask them to awaken so the vampires...
The cultural vampires can't come in and dine on them.
We want consciousness.
We want to be awake.
We want to be alive.
Just like in They Live, the 1960s short story turned into a great Rowdy Rowdy Piper John Carpenter film.
They Live, We Sleep.
unidentified
Well, I want to live.
alex jones
And I want you to live.
dan friesen
So, sure, we should all live.
jordan holmes
Put these glasses on.
dan friesen
The thing there is, though, that, like, You know, the way he's setting it up is this battle with the globalists, we've got to make it more entertaining because otherwise people aren't going to wake up.
jordan holmes
Right.
We need to use our rhetorical palette in order to take care of this.
dan friesen
Yeah.
What are your thoughts on that?
jordan holmes
I mean, when you say we have to use our rhetorical palette...
The first thing that I get is words and arguments.
And we have to constantly invent and exploit new kinds of words and arguments to get people to wake up.
Wake up, sure.
dan friesen
I don't think that's what he's saying.
jordan holmes
I also don't think that's how comas work.
dan friesen
No.
jordan holmes
You can't talk people out of a coma.
dan friesen
You can scream them out.
jordan holmes
Is that true?
dan friesen
That's what Alex's theory is, apparently.
jordan holmes
That's a good point.
dan friesen
You know, he's making a big spectacle himself.
I gotta hit this barbed wire, and I gotta be a sacrifice, so others can run up over me.
unidentified
Right, right, right.
dan friesen
It's fucking nonsense.
jordan holmes
He's not saying he's a hero.
He's allowing you to say it.
dan friesen
He's not saying he's a hero.
He's literally saying he's a hero.
Yeah.
But again, this comes to that, like, this I am giving of myself, and this interview with Megyn Kelly will be my destruction.
And I'm aware of it.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
And I am hitting that barbed wire so you might come over me.
jordan holmes
He's setting himself...
Well, hopefully you'll come on him.
Right.
He's setting himself up as a...
This is a family show.
unidentified
This is not a family show.
jordan holmes
If you are sitting down to listen to this with your family, you are insane.
Yeah.
No, he's setting himself up as a Christ figure.
dan friesen
Yeah, totally.
jordan holmes
That's what he's doing.
dan friesen
Absolutely.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
So in this next clip, he talks about our ancestors a little bit.
It's a little weird.
alex jones
I have a camaraderie.
I have a kinship.
I have an alliance with humanity.
I have an alliance with my ancestors.
I have an alliance with you.
I have an alliance that all this energy and all this force and all this strength we were given before, we're not going to just let that disappear into the ether, despite the fact that we've been brought up.
Like somebody on a Mars mission with no gravity, with no spiritual or cultural muscles because our forebears were so good, they created this spectacular civilization so that we would be safe because they loved us, not knowing it would create the nanny state that actually brought us down low.
Slavery!
jordan holmes
You fucking idiot!
unidentified
Our forebears were so good, they owned people!
dan friesen
Well, I think he's going even further back than that.
I think he's talking about creating...
Like, agrarian civilizations.
Like, I think he's talking about, like, the agricultural revolution.
jordan holmes
That's, well, that is basically built around alcohol, so that's entirely...
In that case, I don't disagree.
I like a good Pinot Noir, so he and I are on the same page.
dan friesen
But I think that he's saying in some ways that, like, an unfortunate accidental result of us creating civilizations...
In every way, it becomes a nanny state.
jordan holmes
So he's talking about praising hunter-gatherers.
dan friesen
Maybe.
jordan holmes
Which is not a terrible...
Or not terrible.
I mean, not an out-of-character thing for him.
Because if your thing is, I'm all masculine all the time.
I am a predator.
I am here to provide for my family.
dan friesen
He sells bone juice.
jordan holmes
Yeah, exactly.
Of course.
dan friesen
Yeah, so of course he wants to go back to that.
jon ronson
Right, right.
dan friesen
In some ways, but I don't think he actually wants to.
jordan holmes
Well, the only way that...
What happened is, to get that bone juice, he and Mark Dice...
dan friesen
Rob Dew.
jordan holmes
Rob Dew got together, and they chased a woolly mammoth off a cliff!
unidentified
They chased a globalist off a cliff.
jordan holmes
It was a globalist chimera, though, so we're good.
dan friesen
Here's the bad news about hunter-gatherer societies.
jordan holmes
I can't think of anything wrong with hunter-gatherer societies!
dan friesen
Well, let's not unpack all of them, but I'll just say this one thing, is you can't really get auto-ship for your super male vitality.
If you are a hunter-gatherer society...
jordan holmes
You can only do it in the United States.
dan friesen
Yeah, yeah.
So I think you benefit from that, Alex, quite a bit.
This next clip, he responds to accusations that no one is making, that he coined the term information war.
alex jones
You know, I see the news.
They're so ridiculous.
They're like, Jones coined the term info war, and that's now what we're in.
I didn't coin the term information war.
That's a U.S. Department of Defense term before it was the Department of War.
Before it was the Department of Defense, it was the Department of War.
The Germans called it mind war.
The British called it psychological war.
jordan holmes
We call it knowledge fight.
alex jones
But the truth is, it's just information war.
And we've got the real weapons of truth.
jordan holmes
Because we like to ratchet down the tension.
alex jones
Those are the big 100 megaton hydrogen bombs.
We don't need the lies.
jordan holmes
You do.
alex jones
We don't need the deception.
We need the courage to not care about...
The propaganda and how we're going to be attacked by people like Hillary and the whore media that serves her?
I mean, if I can't beat that pedophile loving witch, then I'm nobody.
jordan holmes
Well, I guess you've nailed it.
alex jones
In fact, I'm pathetic.
unidentified
I guess you are right.
dan friesen
Yep, you're weak and pathetic.
It's because you think lies are truth.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
That is what is sowing the seeds of Alex Jones' destruction.
The fact that he goes into Bohemian Grove and spells it out like it's a satanic ritual and they might be killing kids and all this nonsense, that is why there's a problem with him.
If he was telling 20-ton, megaton bomb truths, no one would care.
It's not that no one would care.
People would really respect him.
I would respect him.
jordan holmes
Oh, absolutely.
dan friesen
If he was Alex Jones and acted like he does, but he was telling the truth...
jordan holmes
Holy shit, that would be amazing.
dan friesen
He would be awesome.
jordan holmes
That is...
That is actually very, very true.
dan friesen
Our problem with him is that he's a bigot and a liar.
jordan holmes
Why isn't there an Alex Jones on the left?
dan friesen
Well, there kind of is Keith Olbermann.
jordan holmes
Yeah, but Keith Olbermann sucks at being Alex Jones.
dan friesen
I think if you take some of the politics out of it...
jordan holmes
Like, Keith Olbermann has dressed like the Joker zero times.
dan friesen
Well, that's right.
jordan holmes
That's true.
dan friesen
You do need an element of crazy.
And maybe, I don't know, give me some acid.
Maybe in two years it'll be me.
jordan holmes
Dude, absolutely.
dan friesen
But who knows?
I mean, I think...
jordan holmes
I think that's the problem.
The truth to a lot of people, or the way it's presented...
It's boring.
dan friesen
Well, it's pedantic, because you're, like, teaching people stuff.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And Alex Jones doesn't teach anything.
He just reads headlines and screams about stuff.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
He just does free-form rants about lies.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Or things he doesn't understand.
jordan holmes
But imagine you did it about the truth.
Like, that's essentially...
dan friesen
It would be way too hard.
jordan holmes
That's what I do.
I just yell about reality.
dan friesen
Could you do that for four hours a day?
unidentified
Fuck!
jordan holmes
No.
I wanted to say yes, and then I was like, no, I can't lie.
dan friesen
What if we get you some amphetamines?
unidentified
Oh, God.
dan friesen
What if we get you some of that nice...
jordan holmes
If I was allowed to do Coke on TV...
dan friesen
Dexedrine.
jordan holmes
I could do it for four hours.
dan friesen
Let's get some Adderall or something like that.
Same thing.
jordan holmes
Absolutely.
dan friesen
Medicinal.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
If I just went on free-form rants about how our government has sanctioned slavery for years and they're still doing it with the prison population and they're going through and they're exploiting all of these people, they're creating the private prison system in order to make sure that we put more people in prison and all that they're doing is utilizing that as free fucking labor.
unidentified
And...
jordan holmes
Let's face it.
So do the Clintons.
So do those people.
Like, all of this stuff is still fucking going on.
And that's why we need to stop the non-globalists.
dan friesen
That was like 45 seconds.
jordan holmes
Fuck, I am screwed.
I was really going for it there, too.
dan friesen
So, we're going to move on.
jordan holmes
And buy my cartilage pills.
unidentified
They're made out of shark skin.
dan friesen
So in this next clip, we have reached the point where things go off the rails.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I was going to say, he's been very subdued so far.
dan friesen
Well, I've cut out almost nothing from this hour-long episode.
Towards the end, I cut out a few things because it was getting repetitive.
But I didn't cut out anything that involves context.
I didn't cut out anything unfairly.
And here is where Alex just goes for it.
Goes for it.
And things are never going to be the same.
Because, man, it gets fucked up.
alex jones
But I'm a lot better than her.
I'm not a pedophile supporter.
All her first clients, pedophiles, child rapists, her husband, Jerry Epstein, all of it.
You know, we broke.
jordan holmes
Everyone deserves a defense.
unidentified
Just so you know, that's why they came up from Pizzagate.
alex jones
Everybody had the information.
Eric Prince broke it a day after we did.
Putting his life on the line.
Say what you want.
He exposed the pedophiles.
So did Congressman Scalise.
dan friesen
So this has become a new narrative.
jordan holmes
Oh, we just dropped Scalise in there.
dan friesen
This has become a new narrative because Scalise in the past has supported legislation that would work against human trafficking.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Alex Jones, Mike Cernovich, all these dudes, and Jack Posobiec, have started pitching this idea that the pedophile globalists had a Bernie Sanders brainwashed supporter try and shoot him as payback for trying to take down their pedophile network, which is irresponsible.
jordan holmes
Absolutely.
dan friesen
Very, very...
This is Seth Rich levels of irresponsible, but thankfully Scalise hasn't died.
jordan holmes
Why did you say thankfully?
dan friesen
Because he's a human.
jordan holmes
No, disagree.
dan friesen
I get where you're coming from, but I don't like that.
jordan holmes
He's a white supremacist.
dan friesen
Right, but they have the right to live.
jordan holmes
No, I agree with you there.
Now, here's my perspective on that.
dan friesen
I know your perspective, but I don't...
jordan holmes
I wish we lived in a society where guns were not available.
To shoot him.
Since he has already been shot, the world is a better place without him.
dan friesen
But it's not without him.
He's going to recover.
jordan holmes
Unfortunately.
dan friesen
I agree with you that it would be great to eradicate certain mindsets from the world.
Certain, let's say, brain...
jordan holmes
I'm not talking about mindsets.
I'm not talking about the greater situation.
I'm not saying that we should.
Be hurting or killing white supremacists.
And I wish that he hadn't been shot.
I truly do.
Since he has already been shot, and there's nothing I can do about it, and he's the one who voted to make sure that he was possibly shot, I don't care if he lives or dies.
I don't.
I could give a fuck.
dan friesen
I'm on the fence.
I'm on the fence about your position.
I don't think that I hope he dies, but I get where you're coming from.
I'm not sure I'm ready to be that extreme yet.
jordan holmes
It's not extremism!
unidentified
It is.
jordan holmes
How so?
dan friesen
It is a rejection of the fact that he is not just his positions.
In the same way that if, let's say someone shoots Alex Jones.
I don't want him to die, necessarily, even though he has already been shot and we can't take that back.
I'm not going to wish for him to not recover.
Alex Jones, even though he is an awful bigot and perhaps one of the worst people in the public sphere, he is still a parent.
He's still someone's kid.
He exists within an ecosystem where parts of him beyond his politics and his bigotry make a big effect on people.
And Steve Scalise, I'm sure...
It would leave a massive gap in a lot of people's lives if he dies.
jordan holmes
Yeah, a white supremacist gap.
dan friesen
Right.
I understand that.
But that is very cookie-cutter in some ways.
jordan holmes
And I'm not accusing him of being a white supremacist.
His own words.
He made a specific point to say that he is a lot like, what's-his-face, the governor of South Carolina.
He's the one who fought so hard against integration.
That guy.
Wallace?
Yes.
No.
I don't know.
Probably.
The point is, he himself has said, I'm going to be a white supremacist who doesn't say I'm a white supremacist.
That's what he said.
dan friesen
Well, again, that's basically a ton of the new right.
jordan holmes
Absolutely.
dan friesen
Look, I don't want to have this debate.
We're not going to get to any kind of agreement.
jordan holmes
That's probably true.
dan friesen
Let's get back to this clip.
jordan holmes
Okay.
alex jones
That Weiner was reportedly procuring young girls online, trolling in New York.
Let me tell you something.
Some of those girls, 13, 14, 15, they get tricked going to the mall.
unidentified
God.
alex jones
They're meeting some boy their age.
They never come out of those dungeons again.
Imagine people like those globalists leaning over your daughter, kidnapped in some dungeon, raped for a month straight, tortured, their teeth pulled out, their skin pulled off.
And they're crying out to God, defend me, defend me, defend me.
And God sends his spirit of the world to activate men to resist it.
But men have to then admit how bad it is and have to then take the field against it and have to be ready to be attacked.
And let me tell you something.
When you're attacked by these devils, it's almost embarrassing for people to praise what we do.
dan friesen
I could see that.
But at the same time...
Dude, that voice...
jordan holmes
It sounds like it turns him on!
It really does!
Imagine that little girl.
dan friesen
Right.
You know the work of Andy Daly, his character Don DeMello?
jordan holmes
Yes, exactly.
dan friesen
It's so much, I could bring out the girls.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, it is.
unidentified
It's incredibly creepy.
jordan holmes
It's insane how he...
And I don't know...
I don't think it's the idea of that that turns him on.
unidentified
No.
jordan holmes
I think it's the telling of it.
That, like, look at what I get to say.
Look at how awesome it is that I get to say all of this shit.
dan friesen
I disagree.
Slightly.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
I think what gives him a boner is the idea that he's actually a hero working against these things.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
And so when he spells out all of these fantasies of what he's fighting in his head...
He gets really into it.
And this isn't the only time in this episode that he's going to put on that voice.
He does it quite a bit.
It's so gross!
Not always about such horrifying topics, let's say.
I would argue, I mean, there is definitely a problem with white slavery in the world.
There's definitely a problem with...
jordan holmes
There is still a shit ton of women trafficking.
That is still a thing that happens.
dan friesen
And people should be working against that.
But if...
And I think this is the most likely scenario.
If Alex is wrong about all these globalists that he talks about all the time and how they trade in children and what have you, what he's doing is incredibly lascivious, what he's doing is incredibly irresponsible, and he's just trying to trigger people.
He's trying to trigger his audience into thinking that this is the evil we face, when in reality he's just tarring his political opponents irresponsibly.
jordan holmes
And it's that...
It continually goes back to that pedophile thing because that just clouds your mind.
It keeps you from thinking clearly.
If you genuinely believe that your enemies are pedophiles, of course!
How could you not get that visceral hatred?
dan friesen
Especially if they're pulling skin off and taking out people's teeth and what have you.
jordan holmes
Which is just a weird fantasy.
dan friesen
I mean, he shouldn't be saying these sorts of things on his show without some sort of a warning, quite frankly.
jordan holmes
I think you're right.
dan friesen
Because if you are someone who maybe suffered abuse as a child or something like that, you could be traumatized by Alex talking like that.
jordan holmes
Absolutely.
dan friesen
So, irresponsible, Alex, but again, not as bad as it's gonna get.
jordan holmes
God damn it, Dan!
You hate me!
alex jones
Let me tell you something.
It is so good to have the armies of pedophiles and Islamicists.
Hating us and attacking us and lying about us.
This is like winning Oscars every five minutes.
This is like pure victory.
They don't have the power.
They've got Hollywood and all these anti-Christian, anti-America, anti-civilization assholes who think they're going to break our will.
It's all a joke.
I know.
I've already seen it.
unidentified
I don't like that.
jordan holmes
I don't like that at all.
alex jones
Is systematically releasing men and women right now that within just a few years are going to be so articulate, so powerful, so psychic, so focused, so ready in business and in media and in the military and everywhere.
The next level of human development is here.
The next level of humanity is being given birth to right now by our women.
unidentified
White.
alex jones
And that's why sacks of shit like Hillary Clinton are crapping all over their depends right now.
Because they know.
We've already won.
I'll use the cheesy analogy of Terminator.
jordan holmes
Boom!
Number three.
alex jones
When they know they've already beat Skynet and they send somebody back to try to stop it.
Passed.
That's why they're freaking out so bad.
They already lost, folks.
unidentified
They already lost.
dan friesen
So, whatever.
jordan holmes
I would also go with 12 Monkeys.
He could have done that, too.
dan friesen
There's any number of movies he could have gone with.
The thing that I want to pull out from there.
jordan holmes
That's my real criticism of Alex Jones now, is his movie references.
unidentified
I would prefer a more accurate movie reference, please.
dan friesen
He could have gone with Looper.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
So there's something more important that I want to pull out of this clip.
Because, I mean, that's just stroking your audience off a little bit.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
He says that in a couple years, these info warriors are going to be psychic.
And then in the same clip, he's saying, I know, I've already seen it.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's very creepy.
dan friesen
He's implying that he's psychic.
jordan holmes
Or that he knows psychics.
dan friesen
I want to be clear.
jordan holmes
Or that his children are psychics.
dan friesen
I don't have too much to go on just from this clip, but this thought that I've just brought up, I want you to track it through the rest of this.
Whenever these sort of weird things come up, because they do, there's a trend of, I think...
jordan holmes
He has superpowers.
dan friesen
I think he might think he does.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
But then further, the other thing is, I think that we have been far too generous about the idea of Alex Jones being brain damaged.
jordan holmes
Uh-huh.
dan friesen
Because there are a couple instances on this episode where he spells out some things that he's alluded to before, and the way he describes them are like...
jordan holmes
Whackadoo.
dan friesen
This is a mentally ill person.
jordan holmes
Oh, shit.
dan friesen
So, I'll just...
I'll spoil it a little bit.
He might think he's talking to ancestors.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
He might think he has communication with the dead.
I'm not entirely sure.
jordan holmes
He's a medium.
dan friesen
We'll get to that a little bit down the line.
jordan holmes
Are we going to make a ghost reference later on?
dan friesen
It's like I'm making pottery.
jordan holmes
It's like Whoopi Goldberg is right in front of me.
dan friesen
I wish.
I wish that we could put a fourth check mark there, but not yet.
jordan holmes
So do you think that his constant allusions to reverse engineering is kind of his cover for saying...
I can see into the past.
And I can communicate with people with ghosts.
dan friesen
We can all see into the past.
jordan holmes
Right, right.
But I'm saying he's getting advice from ghosts.
dan friesen
I don't know.
I don't know.
Maybe.
That's not the specific I was going with.
But we got a lot to get through.
jordan holmes
I just...
That thing that he always does is start with pedophiles and then...
Add in Islamicists in Hollywood.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
So even though he's not saying Islamicists and Hollywood people are pedophiles, he's lumping them in together.
So you can't help but think...
dan friesen
But I think he would say that, too.
jordan holmes
Well, that's probably true.
You're right.
dan friesen
He's not stopping himself from saying all those things.
jordan holmes
That's a good point.
That's a good point.
dan friesen
It's just he didn't in that sentence.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
So this next clip, Alex predicts doom.
jordan holmes
Who would have guessed?
dan friesen
And then it gets a little bit aggressive.
alex jones
I'm a selfish person for myself and my family.
I hope I can enjoy my life.
We can fix this.
We all know that's not going to happen.
unidentified
We all know that.
alex jones
We're going to break these people.
And they already know it.
And we're going to break them soon.
Everything they're doing right now is because they're broken already.
jordan holmes
God, are you jerking off under the desk?
alex jones
It's because their soulless, empty hearts are already gone.
And they can feel the fires of hell lapping on their souls.
So let's push him over the edge.
dan friesen
I don't know how you don't hear that as a call to violence.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
If you're someone who believes his anti-globalist nonsense.
I don't think that you could hear that and not think, let's kill these people.
jordan holmes
Absolutely.
Well, and we have so much evidence of people who are info warriors.
Going to places with guns with the intent of doing harm.
dan friesen
Yeah, and I mean, Alex is really, really careful that even in that J.O. fantasy that he's going through about people being soulless, my enemies are soulless, he's still really smart in the sense that he's using this metaphorical language, talking about the gates of hell, let's push him over, that he can get away with it.
That's not literally calling for violence, but man.
jordan holmes
He's getting so close now.
dan friesen
You can't not hear it.
But that's desperation.
Right.
Inevitably, if people keep paying attention to him, he's destroyed.
There's a part of his brain that knows he's been lying for 20 years.
jordan holmes
Well, yeah, absolutely.
dan friesen
This is guilty conscience coming out.
jordan holmes
It is the twin he absorbed in the womb.
It's the good twin.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Again, movie reference.
unidentified
Is it?
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
From Arnold Schwarzenegger?
jordan holmes
He's Danny DeVito.
dan friesen
Okay.
jordan holmes
He started out as Arnold, turned into Danny DeVito.
dan friesen
Holy shit.
You're not wrong.
His life is twins.
So here's where he gets into some Islamophobia, and he thinks he's using really meaningful statistics to talk about it, but he's not.
alex jones
Why do you think they're all over the news saying kill Donald Trump and kill me and kill everybody else?
dan friesen
They're not.
alex jones
Even though these people are trying to get up out of bed in the morning.
Because those that are dead see the living as a curse.
dan friesen
It was a curse.
alex jones
If we were dead like they were, somehow they'd still be alive.
They're not.
Take the Muslims.
They're so sad and so pathetic after 1,400 years of their religion that teaches inbreeding so that in Europe and England, up to half the deformed babies, even though the population's only like 9%, half.
That's a low number of the babies are deformed.
Hell, in England, 34%, even though the Pakistanis are 1%, 30-plus percent of the babies deformed in the UK are Muslims, are Pakistanis.
jordan holmes
That can't be true.
alex jones
Can you imagine what it's like to do that?
jordan holmes
That's just statistically impossible.
alex jones
Like the British royalty, a bunch of inbred Transylvanians.
That's why they want to end humanity.
That's why they want chimeras.
That's why they want clones.
That's why they want us all diseased like them.
That's why they want our DNA poisoned with all the genetic engineering because they want us to be like they are.
dan friesen
So a couple important things.
One is this all Muslims are inbred disaster areas is a very popular narrative that's pushed by people like Gavin McGinnis.
He talked about it a bunch on the Rogan program when he was on.
Alex talks about it a bit.
This is one of the first times I've heard him be this explicit about it.
You are correct.
Those statistics aren't really accurate.
But there's a lot we need to unpack when we want to talk about this.
Historically, there has been a lot more marrying of cousins in Islamic countries.
jordan holmes
Oh, yeah.
dan friesen
And that is allowed in the Quran.
But it is not said that you should do it.
It's allowed.
And that is an important distinction.
There are a lot of benefits that come from keeping families married, intermarried together.
One of them is that you keep property within your family.
There are a bunch of reasons in less developed countries that you would want to keep your tribe together.
jordan holmes
Well, and it's the same way with the British royalty.
He did put a good point on that.
Well, let's just fucking go with Game of Thrones.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
Fine.
dan friesen
You can put one down for yourself.
Okay.
jordan holmes
Jordan movie references.
I've already got twins.
dan friesen
So the other thing is that marrying your cousin and having a kid with them does not necessarily create birth defects.
If one parent is a carrier of it, it can be more likely that you will have genetic defects because both parents will likely have that.
They're carriers of that.
So the actual act of fucking your cousin isn't really that bad.
jordan holmes
Knowledge fight.
We endorse fucking your cousin.
dan friesen
In countries that have far better medical treatment, there are tests that you can undergo beforehand.
And a lot of people who have kids just do that anyway.
jordan holmes
Well, and especially with Iceland, where there's only 300,000 people, they do have those, not even those, they have like a website where it's like, hey!
Are you dating somebody you're related to?
And it's like all the time.
dan friesen
And before you have kids, it's smart to go in and make sure that you're not carriers for recessive genes that could end up creating blah, blah, blah, any kind of defect.
Another thing that's important to point out is the statistics that are kept about birth defects include superficial or minor things like cleft palates, and those are far more common in less developed countries.
So when you want to talk about These anomalies and statistics about Muslim countries having high...
Birth defect rates.
One of the things that's really important to talk about is bad prenatal care that's available in those countries.
It's not necessarily the fucking of your cousin.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Now, I want to take one step further.
jordan holmes
Well, just go with 10% of women who contracted the Zika virus have babies with, what, microcephaly.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Like, it's not inbreeding that does that.
There are plenty of viruses that are going around because, again...
They don't have good medical technology.
dan friesen
Or vaccines.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
It'd be a good idea to get a vaccine!
dan friesen
So, I want to ask you, Jordan, how many states do you think in America is it legal to fuck your cousin in?
26. It's legal in every single state, with the exception of Mississippi, Nevada, North Dakota, South Dakota, Texas, Utah, Wisconsin, and Kentucky.
jordan holmes
Do you mean the states that historically have a problem with that?
dan friesen
Those are the places where they were like, we've got to make a law.
jordan holmes
Yeah, we've got to stop doing this.
We've been doing this for way too long.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
I mean, you've got Utah, you've got the Mormons, you've got Kentucky, Mississippi, those are the South, the hillbilly states.
You've got Nevada, it's Vegas, anything goes.
jordan holmes
A lot of people who want to have sex with their cousin move to Nevada.
dan friesen
North Dakota, South Dakota, that's probably a stab at the natives.
jordan holmes
I would assume the Native American tribes.
And because the populations in those two states are so low.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
Wisconsin...
In the same way with Iceland.
Like, if there's only, you know, 50,000 people there, it's a good idea to...
dan friesen
Wisconsin?
A mystery.
I have no idea why they made a law.
I want to ask you this.
How many states do you think you can marry your cousin in, in the United States?
Not just have sex with them.
jordan holmes
Well, outside of those states...
I would say, again, all of them.
dan friesen
I'll give you a list.
Maine, Alabama, Alaska.
jordan holmes
That'd be great if you just stopped.
I'll give you a list.
Maine, and then we moved on.
dan friesen
Maine, Alabama, Alaska, California, Colorado, Connecticut, D.C., Florida, Georgia, Hawaii, Maryland, Massachusetts, New Jersey, New Mexico, New York, North Carolina, South Carolina, Rhode Island, Tennessee, Vermont, and Virginia.
Those are the states where you can straight up marry your cousin, no questions asked.
Your first cousin.
Arizona?
You can marry your cousin as long as one of you is sterile.
In Wisconsin...
jordan holmes
That's a whack...
Wait, they made that a law.
dan friesen
Yeah.
In Wisconsin...
jordan holmes
I mean, I guess that's fine.
dan friesen
You can marry your cousin as long as the woman in the equation is at least 55 or one party is sterile.
In Utah, you can marry your cousin only if both parties are 65 or older or over 55 and one of them is sterile.
And in Illinois, you can marry your cousin if both are over 50 or one of you is sterile.
So, there's a whole lot of cousin fucking apparently going on in the United States.
unidentified
What?
dan friesen
It's completely legal.
jordan holmes
That's such a rare...
I mean, I get it.
You just...
Like, it's basically like, hey, you can marry your cousin as long as you don't have a kid.
dan friesen
Well, in those states.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
In those, like, five states.
unidentified
Right.
jordan holmes
But the thing that boggles my mind is that they had to put that into a law.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Like, when you said, how many states is it legal to marry your cousin in, I just assumed it was because they didn't have any laws written down.
unidentified
Mm-hmm.
jordan holmes
And it...
Like, if it's not a problem, why would you make a law about it?
dan friesen
Yeah.
But those five...
jordan holmes
Crazy.
dan friesen
They have very interesting stipulations.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
They have...
Who's making those rules?
dan friesen
It's weird.
But, like, legitimately, if you look into it, inbreeding is a really bad way to phrase it, too, because it creates this idea of...
I don't know, just horrifying, deliverance-style hillbilly type.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, of course.
The hills have eyes.
dan friesen
Yeah, that's the image you get in your head with inbreeding, but the reality is that marrying your cousin isn't really that bad.
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
It is only bad if one or both of you is already a carrier for something like...
I mean, diabetes isn't a good example, but, you know, some muscular diseases, those sorts of things.
It can amplify it just because you have a shared bloodline.
jordan holmes
From what I understand of the...
Well, at a certain point, humanity was down to, like, immediately after the Ice Age, I believe humanity was down to between 14,000 and 30,000.
And the statistics that they have, or at least I think the genetics that they have say that in order to maintain enough genetic diversity, you only need like 10,000 to 15,000 people.
Which means there is plenty of cousin fucking.
dan friesen
Sure.
And it's the roots of a lot of cultures.
jordan holmes
Yeah, exactly.
Yeah, well, yeah.
dan friesen
So to malign Muslims like that is really unfair.
And it is really unfortunate, a lot of the birth defects that do exist within not just Muslim countries, but impoverished countries.
And if, Alex, you want to really be sort of proactive about this...
You should raise awareness of those things.
You should donate to causes.
You should, you know, support Doctors Without Borders and stuff like that.
jordan holmes
Or Smile Train.
Sure, Smile Train's great.
Yeah, the charity that fixes cleft palate.
dan friesen
Jimmy Pardo gives them like $150,000 a year.
jordan holmes
Yeah, absolutely.
dan friesen
That's real help that you can do in these sorts of situations.
jordan holmes
Instead of demonizing those people and wishing for their death.
dan friesen
Right.
And it gets worse in this next clip.
Less about the birth defects, but more about...
jordan holmes
More about the wishing people would die.
alex jones
Earlier today it was three buildings, now it's six.
Several skyscrapers and other big buildings have been torched in England, and Muslims are celebrating it, and the media can't even come out and say it's Muslims.
In fact, the new socialist slash communist...
Fuck you, it is not.
jordan holmes
It's not.
alex jones
It's fucking rich people.
jordan holmes
You fucking pile of garbage.
alex jones
...says because these buildings have been burned down...
They should take middle class people's homes and give it to the Muslims.
jordan holmes
Rich people who have these extra fucking homes that are empty who cause this bullshit to save a small amount of money.
alex jones
Burn down the economy and then make everybody go to socialism.
Burn down enough skyscrapers and then you have like 10,000 Muslims running around.
We can put them on the news and then just say, oh.
You own two houses.
You're a farmer.
You got one house here, another house.
It was your grandma's or whatever.
And you're written, we're going to put Muslims in there.
And you make jokes.
In Germany and in Italy, they take the Christian ethos and they go into these little coastal hotels and things where it's some little old man.
You see him crying and they go, we're not going to pay you either.
We're going to throw all your guests down on the street and we're going to put in 200 Africans that just landed in your house.
unidentified
And by the way, asshole, you're going to pay for it.
alex jones
And you say, that's over the top.
No, no, no.
That's testing, poking, and prodding to see what you'll put up with.
Now, I've got at least 100 articles here in front of me.
dan friesen
I look forward to you not getting to any of them.
But at the same time, your screaming is totally right.
And what he hates there is the idea of forced charity, to some extent.
He hates the idea...
Like, whenever we talked about the clip of him being mad about seeing Muslim women at a Starbucks, what makes him mad is integration.
He's not mad about the idea that these people can't integrate into our society.
It's that that's living evidence of integration.
Right.
jordan holmes
It's that they are.
dan friesen
That proves his whole premise wrong.
And that's basically...
What he's really afraid of here is worried about people helping other people and then proving like, oh, we can all get along.
Because then it takes away from this whole fucking thing.
jordan holmes
It's again, if white people are so supreme, explain to me why it is that we're all better off whenever everybody's integrated.
Every school has better outcomes, not just for the people who are going there.
It is for everyone.
Every school that's been integrated, like in Alabama and the like, those people were, like the picture of that young white lady screaming in the face of that black girl.
In that time, immediately following that, everybody was better off.
Yeah.
unidentified
Everybody was better off.
dan friesen
100%.
unidentified
So getting back to this Grin fell fire.
jordan holmes
Oh, and that is fucking, I am...
Fuck.
alex jones
Fuck.
unidentified
Them.
jordan holmes
Fuck them.
dan friesen
Fuck Alex.
jordan holmes
If those conservative Tory bullshit guys aren't fucking lit on fire themselves, it's bullshit.
dan friesen
So Alex's theory is that it was Muslims who did it, which is not true at all.
jordan holmes
Which is insane!
dan friesen
But also, he's saying that it's now six fires that have happened.
It was six people who were dead at the point when he made this video.
He's misinterpreting...
jordan holmes
It's up to 60 now.
dan friesen
Yeah, it's probably over there.
I can't imagine it being...
That low.
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
That's crazy.
jordan holmes
Because a rich person wanted to save, what, two pounds per...
Per meter or whatever?
Yeah, per padding or whatever it is.
dan friesen
It comes down to like 100,000 pounds or something for the exterior cladding of sort of the facade of the building.
jordan holmes
One is fireproof and the other one isn't.
dan friesen
And they went with the one that was not fireproof.
And apparently, according to regulations that are in place, That not-fireproof cladding is only supposed to be used on, like, one-story buildings.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
And when you have a 24-story high-rise, you're legally supposed to use the fire-retardant ones.
And they didn't.
And there was a small fire that happened in someone's kitchen, and because it spread, and because they didn't install sprinkler systems into this...
jordan holmes
Which, again, bananas.
Bananas.
And why?
Why?
Poor people!
dan friesen
Hold on.
In terms of, I've heard conflicting things about the sprinkler system thing.
I've heard both sides that some people did not want to have sprinkler systems put in.
Some of the residents themselves.
And that's possible.
But because they weren't there, the fire spread, got to the exterior of the building, and the whole thing went up like a Christmas tree.
Went up like crazy.
And to make matters worse, there is a group called the Grenfell Action Group, who since 2012...
Have been complaining about this building and talking about how it's a disaster waiting to happen and they were consistently ignored by the Tory politicians.
jordan holmes
Of course.
dan friesen
And the thing is that's really sad in hindsight is that I think it was in 2013 they made a statement that was it is going to take a mass tragedy in order for you to do anything about this.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
This building is unsafe for people to be living in and...
I mean, it happened.
jordan holmes
Do you know what I would guarantee?
Even though there was a mass tragedy, they're not going to do anything about it.
dan friesen
And the building wasn't just inhabited by Muslims.
It was a very diverse population of poor people who lived there.
jordan holmes
How much, how many, like, per poor person death, it's not worth a lot?
dan friesen
No.
jordan holmes
It's genuinely...
dan friesen
Well, apparently, preemptively, it wasn't worth the exterior paying a little bit more for that.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
And then his point that they're saying put them into middle-class people's homes, which is complete bullshit.
Corbin is saying there are so many rich people's homes that are just empty.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
That are just always empty because they own the property and they're waiting for the values to go up.
unidentified
So fucking do a good thing.
jordan holmes
Put these people in there until they can move somewhere.
dan friesen
And realistically, there's no way to tell people they have to do that.
Alex is even misrepresenting the situation.
There's no way to force people into other people's homes.
And that's not really what's being discussed.
It's more, this is a proposal.
This is something that we should do.
And I agree, you should.
It's a tragedy.
People need to be taken care of.
It's absurd.
This is...
The people, the people, the public are being victimized and have been victimized and you have an opportunity to really help them.
jordan holmes
Free market.
dan friesen
Also, I've seen...
jordan holmes
Free market!
dan friesen
Prosperity!
I'm a really bad judge of things because I thought 9-11 was going to be in the tens, twenties, thousands of people dead.
jordan holmes
No, it was 2,000.
dan friesen
Yeah, but I saw that.
I saw the Grenfell Tower.
I was like, I can't imagine that's not hundreds of deaths.
And I don't know.
Maybe it will shake out that way.
jordan holmes
Well, more people are still called missing.
dan friesen
It's true.
I read some really sad thing about a guy who got out with his old wife, and she has Alzheimer's, and he knows that she got out of the building, but he can't find her.
And she has Alzheimer's.
jordan holmes
Jesus fucking Christ.
dan friesen
That sort of stuff is just like...
When Alex makes these fucking declarations about stuff...
It's so hard to look at the real life stories of the people who are the victims of these things and not think, Alex, did you look into this at all?
Do you know what you're talking about?
Or are you willfully ignoring that?
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
It's insane.
jordan holmes
It is, again, like when we started doing this, when we started doing this podcast, there was far less just abject cruelty.
dan friesen
That's the Trump shit.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
It's turned into, these people are cruel.
Like, they're immoral.
Or not immoral, they're amoral.
They just don't give a fuck.
dan friesen
They're chaotic evil.
jordan holmes
Well, yeah.
I mean, there should be serious repercussions.
And there almost always won't be.
dan friesen
Now, I want to say this.
Alex Jones has a big audience.
The media likes to say it's six million.
That's their talking point now.
I don't believe that's the case.
jordan holmes
Not at all.
dan friesen
When that weirdo came on and started his GoFundMe for the info wagon, where he was going to be...
Remember that?
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
He's now up to like $400.
He's made almost nothing.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
But be that as it may, he still does have a ton of listeners.
And legitimately, if he wanted to, he could try and mobilize them to help the people who were victims of this tragedy.
If he cares about the idea of rich people having to put these people in their houses, he could be like, everyone, I'm starting a fund.
We're going to get hotels for all the people who have been affected.
If he has six million people, everyone donate two bucks.
You got $12 million for a hotel campaign for all of these people because it wouldn't even cost nearly that much.
for all the people displaced by this fire you...
But he can't because he thinks Muslims started it to cause riots.
jordan holmes
Well, and the GoFundMe numbers that they put out was, last year, half of GoFundMe was medical expenses.
dan friesen
Yep.
jordan holmes
Half of it.
dan friesen
Yep.
And that number's going up.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
So, anyway.
unidentified
Hey!
jordan holmes
We got a good healthcare system whenever people have to crowdsource being alive.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So we've hit some strong bigotry out of the gate.
Some of the Don DeMello voice coming in there, even.
But you've noticed, we're an hour into the podcast, and he hasn't really talked about Megyn Kelly at all.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
But that's going to change.
alex jones
And I want to go over some of these main pieces because this is kind of unattended to business that I know Megyn Kelly's planning and I want to let her know and her controllers and those stupid Ford Foundation spooks they've got running their operation.
I just want them to know that I'm coming down fast but I'm miles above you.
And I want them to know that I see their angles because they're pathetic.
Not because I'm good, but because you are pathetic.
I know your mind better than you do.
I want you to understand that.
jordan holmes
Gross.
alex jones
Before you're delivered to your father.
It's important.
Before you lose your consciousness completely and are thrown out as a garbage of history.
Because the real curse is, there ain't no hell, man.
Your consciousness is going to be ended.
You're gone.
The universe didn't want to keep you.
You didn't go to the next level.
You failed.
jordan holmes
That sounds way better to me than going to heaven.
alex jones
I want you to know before your soul is destroyed and spewed out into oblivion that you're so weak a lobotomized toad knew every move you were going to make before you ever made it.
jordan holmes
Are you saying you're a lobotomized toad?
unidentified
That's what I think you are.
dan friesen
Yeah, I think that is the underlying.
jordan holmes
I think that's what he's saying.
dan friesen
Yeah, but he's also psychic apparently.
He knows all their moves ahead of time.
Yeah.
jordan holmes
I do like the fact that he doesn't believe in hell.
That's good.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
I just don't understand why people would want eternity over non-existence.
dan friesen
Yeah, I don't know.
I don't know where I land on it.
I think reincarnation would be pretty nice.
Get to live new experiences.
jordan holmes
That'd be fun.
Give me a goodbye.
I want a Viking funeral while I'm still alive.
dan friesen
Farewell.
So, his response, essentially, to the inevitability of this interview coming out, because nothing's going to stop it, essentially, is, Megyn Kelly, you're going to hell.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Basically.
It's like, you are going to be destroyed by the universe.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Consciousness does not want you anymore.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
That's desperate.
That's really pathetic.
He can't own up to public scrutiny of the things he says, and so, everyone who hates me is going to hell.
They're demons.
They're pedophiles.
It's nonsense.
It's, to me, a great indication that he is so scared about this.
Another thing I wanted to bring up is I go back and forth on whether he's drunk.
I can't tell.
jordan holmes
Tonight?
dan friesen
Yeah, on this episode.
It's hard to say because he has these long fucking pauses.
He gets worked up and does that noise.
Those are sort of indications that he's drunk.
But it's not the same.
We know Drunk Jones.
This might be Tipsy Jones.
jordan holmes
Yeah, he's had a couple at least.
But nothing too crazy.
dan friesen
Yeah, this might be Two Cocktail Jones or something like that.
unidentified
But this...
dan friesen
Jordan.
jordan holmes
Oh no.
I don't like the tone you just started with.
That means I'm going to yell.
dan friesen
No, you're not.
jordan holmes
Jordan, put the mic down and you're going to talk for the next 20 minutes.
dan friesen
It's not so much that.
We're about to embark on an adventure.
There are certain revelations about Alex Jones that we've had over the last six months.
And one of them is he's way more into certain things than we realized.
This is sort of more proof of that.
jordan holmes
This is getting back to 12 dimensions kind of thing?
dan friesen
It's not quite that.
I'll just play it out.
You'll see.
jordan holmes
Okay.
alex jones
Let's begin.
unidentified
Let's begin.
jordan holmes
Pause.
alex jones
With the greatest abuse of life this planet has ever seen.
jordan holmes
Oh, is it climate change?
unidentified
The most selfish, horrible torture.
jordan holmes
It's the industrial revolution causing climate change and nobody doing anything about it, right?
unidentified
Nope.
jordan holmes
Come on, Alex.
alex jones
Being carried out right next door to us, just miles from where I sit, in research laboratories.
That is in all the major medical and genetic engineering literature.
But that is a total and complete joke to the people that are so self-centered, they don't realize that the fall of our species is their fall.
So selfish, they don't know.
They're interconnected.
So foolish.
So un-God-fearing.
dan friesen
So that's a weird ramble, but you're wrong on all of your guesses.
jordan holmes
Not climate change?
dan friesen
You should know what this is about.
jordan holmes
Chimeras.
dan friesen
Oh, yeah.
jordan holmes
Maybe this is the one time a year that he smoked pot.
I can definitely see that.
dan friesen
No, because that was on Rogan's show.
That was only a few months ago.
jordan holmes
Oh, shit.
Well, but he was obviously lying.
dan friesen
Of course.
The way his thoughts are disjointed, the way he's like, uh...
Yeah, I mean, I could see him nibbling on an edible or something like that.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
But dude, we're about to get deep into Chimeras.
jordan holmes
Okay, we're gonna get deep.
How is that?
I don't even understand how that's a bad thing.
I'm totally on board with Chimeras.
dan friesen
Well, but not...
Not his version of chimeras.
jordan holmes
What I want is a tail.
That's really all I'm saying.
I want a prehensile tail.
dan friesen
Get a butt plug.
jordan holmes
That's all I want.
dan friesen
Get a butt plug, my man.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
Get one of those tanuki.
jordan holmes
Yeah, but it can't move on its own.
I have to squeeze.
dan friesen
You're fucking lazy.
You're a lazy sphincter.
So let's get on with it.
Let's get into these chimeras.
alex jones
It's been declassified because the information was not released until the 70s that the Nazis, by 1938, were able to clone rabbits.
By the 1950s, researchers in the United States were able to splice humans and other mammals.
dan friesen
Hold on.
alex jones
By the 70s, it's now been declassified in peer-reviewed studies.
unidentified
They were able to create human insect species.
jordan holmes
Oh, fuck yes.
alex jones
Amphibion.
jordan holmes
All of those?
alex jones
Fish.
Porcine.
unidentified
What?
alex jones
Peniped.
jordan holmes
All right, I'm in.
Pause.
alex jones
Crosses with mammals and birds, ornithologists, all of it.
And I remember like 22 years ago.
Reading BBC articles about how for decades they had human-animal hybrids in Britain, but how it remained classified.
And then I've talked to some of the genetic engineers, well-known people that hold patents that have made hundreds of millions of dollars.
These are serious scientists, and they told me, they said, the stuff going on in underground labs is beyond any alien movie you've ever seen.
dan friesen
This is crazy.
jordan holmes
I like how he described it basically like a suicide drink that you would do when you were a kid at a McDonald's and you would just put a little bit of everything in there.
unidentified
Fish.
alex jones
Fish.
dan friesen
Spiders.
Horcine.
alex jones
Peniped.
jordan holmes
Mammals.
dan friesen
Fish.
alex jones
Double fish.
dan friesen
He's talking about each of those individually being sliced.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right.
I would prefer it if it was just a giant mishmash.
dan friesen
I don't know if we have time to get into all of it and it'll be just completely repetitive because the episode...
We recorded an episode tomorrow that's going to come out later in the week where we break down all of the...
jordan holmes
We recorded an episode yesterday.
We did not record an episode in the future.
dan friesen
No, but it will come out at the middle of the week and we get into the specifics about his dumb ideas about...
Chimeras?
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Suffice it to say for now that none of the things he's saying are real.
No.
And, hey, get this.
If there were documents that were declassified...
jordan holmes
They would be everywhere.
alex jones
Everywhere.
jordan holmes
Everywhere!
unidentified
They would be...
jordan holmes
You would not be able to walk down the street without somebody being like, Dude!
alex jones
Chimeras!
jordan holmes
Are you fucking kidding me?
unidentified
There are fish people.
jordan holmes
In the 30s!
They cloned rabbits and now we have fish people with sad human eyes.
dan friesen
If there were legitimately peer-reviewed...
Fucking declassified documents.
It would be one of the biggest deals ever.
jordan holmes
And there's no way that you could get away.
Like, there's no way that you could even classify it enough where somebody wouldn't be talking about it.
dan friesen
And there's no way that it would be possible to keep it under wraps at that point.
jordan holmes
Somebody would be like, dude, chimeras.
dan friesen
And if Alex Jones had any evidence or had ever seen these unclassified documents, you better believe your fucking butt.
Lost track of that.
unidentified
You better believe your ass when it tells you.
jordan holmes
That's Sam Jackson in Jurassic Park.
Hang on to your butts!
dan friesen
Well, you better believe it that Alex would have that all over his website.
jordan holmes
Yeah, of course.
dan friesen
And that document is not to be found.
So, let's get on with it.
Let's move along.
alex jones
And it's just like the Isle of Dr. Maru.
100 plus years ago, H.G. Wells envisioned genetic engineering and atomic weapons.
Hell, he wrote about atomic weapons in 1880.
99. Predictive programming.
Max Planck a year later wrote the equations.
Science fiction is just the dreams of men.
jordan holmes
Yep.
alex jones
Just like the symbol of medicine is the two snakes, the double helix.
This has already been done before.
This is not the first rodeo.
jordan holmes
That's from Greek mythology, dude.
alex jones
Whether it was this planet or another, we all have the race memory of that.
And they already know.
jordan holmes
Ooh, race memory from other planets.
alex jones
And they have created creatures that aren't human.
You have all these laws and rights for humans.
You should.
They aren't animal.
They have all these rights for animals.
They're not animal.
They're new.
They're alien.
That just means not of this world, not originally of this planet.
They were artificially created.
jordan holmes
Oh, he's high.
alex jones
And this is the true revolution.
Not even positronic or electronic or internet or surveillance grid or your appliance is spying on you.
That's like 30, 40 years old.
jordan holmes
1776 3.0.
The Chimeras take over.
alex jones
They had CD-Romber computers in 1961.
They had the internet in the 50s.
They shouldn't call it that email decades before it was ever coined email.
jordan holmes
What are you talking about?
alex jones
And so you have the breakaway civilization.
dan friesen
You do.
You got a breakaway civilization.
He has made his point.
I don't know.
jordan holmes
They had the internet in the 50s.
dan friesen
Absolutely.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
Sure.
I mean, there were elementary computers that could communicate with each other.
jordan holmes
Yeah, punch cards.
dan friesen
Right, but was that in the 50s?
Or was that in the 60s?
jordan holmes
That was in the 60s.
dan friesen
I don't give a shit.
jordan holmes
Good point.
dan friesen
Alex is wrong.
jordan holmes
Yes.
The lesson to take away from that is that's all bullshit.
dan friesen
But he's saying it's like these globalists.
This breakaway civilization, as he calls it.
They have race memory, possibly from another planet.
jordan holmes
From other planets.
dan friesen
There are aliens and or extra-dimensional demons that are coming in and they're trying to make these animal hybrids.
jordan holmes
Of course.
dan friesen
Do you realize how, like, this is not a political show.
jordan holmes
This is a lunatic.
dan friesen
I don't think if his audience even, like, if someone who wasn't nuts...
Spelled out exactly what he was actually saying to them.
They're like, whoa, hold on now.
jordan holmes
I thought he was Christian.
dan friesen
I thought he was a libertarian.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Yeah, if you were a libertarian, you would have to be on board with the free market creating chimeras.
dan friesen
Absolutely, it's a consequence of it.
jordan holmes
If there's a market for chimeras...
dan friesen
I don't know, actually, libertarians are super into you owning your own body and what have you, so the rights of the chimera would...
They would have rights over their own body, I think.
I think they wouldn't be into it, because it would still be testing that's being done on living things.
jordan holmes
That's true.
dan friesen
So it's possible.
But also, I don't know if they have a stance on it.
jordan holmes
What is the official...
Call Rand Paul right now!
I want to know what the official libertarian stance on chimeras is.
dan friesen
Hello, Rand Paul here.
jordan holmes
Yeah, Rand, I'm just wondering.
What is your official position on chimeras?
dan friesen
Did you know it's illegal to fuck your cousin in my state?
Also, I don't think Russia should have more sanctions.
Gotta go!
jordan holmes
I love the idea that Ray Paul had.
Gotta go!
dan friesen
So, in this next clip, Alex Jones takes a little bit of a brief break from talking about chimeras.
Don't worry, it'll come back.
jordan holmes
Good.
dan friesen
But he wants to say some specific words to Megyn Kelly about this.
alex jones
And I told Megyn Kelly, I said, don't laugh at the human animal chimeras.
That's just one aspect of this.
I said, statistically, if cancer rates continue to grow, your three children, by the time you're 60, 70 years old, are going to die.
unidentified
And she said, how dare you say you want my children to die of cancer?
alex jones
That's why I taped it.
And I said, Megyn, I just said to you, If there's any human left in you, I said, this is the end of us.
We're being set up for extinction.
The globalist event, that's the plan.
No one's going to escape this.
Even the top elite believe they're going to merge with machines.
They've been told humans are all going to die by whatever this intergalactic force is.
Whatever it is, I don't know, but I can see its work.
It's not of this world.
It's not human.
dan friesen
That's crazy.
alex jones
And she just said that.
And she sent me text messages.
I could show them to you.
jordan holmes
Do it.
unidentified
Just don't talk about my children.
jordan holmes
Do it.
Show us the text messages.
alex jones
Just don't talk about my children.
I know from NBC sources that show she still had humanity that she's basically collapsed.
She's totally panicked.
She's totally scared about her career.
jordan holmes
She's done three episodes!
dan friesen
Also, I would posit that it's possible that if you're talking about her kids getting cancer and what have you, even if it is in the context that you think it's in, that's kind of bullying.
That's a little abusive.
jordan holmes
If you don't do what I say...
Your kids will die of cancer.
dan friesen
I don't think that Alex Jones would enjoy it if someone else had some sort of wacky idea about saving his kids.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
I don't think he would enjoy that.
I think that's kind of abusive.
jordan holmes
Well, my idea to save his kids is to turn them into chimeras.
dan friesen
And keep them away from him.
But, like, I don't think that Alex...
jordan holmes
Which is also the official position of libertarians.
dan friesen
Alex is not being fair at all.
The idea that he's saying these fucked up things to her, even if he thinks he can rationalize why he's doing it, he's saying these fucked up things to her.
She is having an emotional response to, I just was coming here to do an interview.
jordan holmes
Hey, don't talk about my fucking kids!
dan friesen
And the idea that he's like, oh yeah, yeah, you're affected by me because you're weak or something like that is so abusive.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
It doesn't even come down to gender lines or anything like that.
jordan holmes
This time.
dan friesen
Well, it does, but it doesn't.
It's just like Alex Jones is being a shit person and then...
Trying to turn her response to him being a shitty person into a way for him to be even more shitty.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
And you'll hear how that plays out.
alex jones
Lady, don't worry about your career.
You're upset because I told you that I have four children and our destinies are tied together.
I still had to make the decision to have those children even though I knew this knowledge 14 years ago when I had my first child.
dan friesen
We do know that he did have to make a choice because he's paid for multiple abortions in the past.
Also, we found out that he didn't pay for those abortions.
His dad did.
jordan holmes
No shit!
That's right!
I forgot about that!
dan friesen
Personal responsibility, a very big part of libertarian philosophy.
alex jones
Statistically, Megan, already one of your three children will die before you have cancer.
If the numbers keep growing, all three will die by the time you're 60. That's fucked up.
I looked at an actuary.
You're the same age as me.
dan friesen
That's not what actuaries do.
alex jones
I've already done the math.
When I decided to have another child, I had to make the decision to put them into a toxic environment because I knew psychically I had to make the bed.
jordan holmes
Meaning living with you.
alex jones
To put my flesh on the line to try to fix this.
I can't just panic and run off from this battlefield.
We've got to face this.
And I know they're re-editing it.
I know the plan because we have moles inside your organization.
unidentified
What?
alex jones
You have moles?
That you plan to show a couple of people saying your kids are going to have cancer and then just say, oh, the ultimate insult to like...
But we have the tape of what I actually said, Megan.
Megan, none of us are going to make it out alive.
In 10 years, in 20 years, in 30 years, you're going to sit over your daughters and your son with tubes in their noses dying if you don't listen to me.
And I'm so glad to hear that you're panicking and depressed and crying and freaked out.
jordan holmes
Jesus!
alex jones
Because that shows you do have humanity.
And that what I saw in your eyes when you were going back and forth, Between being possessed by the force that controls you, that you still, like one of the thieves or murderers on the cross, you still love God, and you can ask Christ to cleanse you, and you can say that you want life anytime.
Megan.
Megan, I love your children.
jordan holmes
Oh, this is fucked up now.
dan friesen
That's so fucked up.
jordan holmes
This is fucked up.
dan friesen
At that point, the audio drops out of the clip.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
There was probably some sort of technical glitch.
Sure.
I don't think they necessarily cut anything.
jordan holmes
Rob Dew is like, fuck this!
dan friesen
Cough button.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, exactly.
dan friesen
He also holds up the phone as if he's showing text.
jordan holmes
The text messages, but it doesn't really show anything.
Of course.
It's blank.
dan friesen
And I imagine the text message that might have been sent is, hey dude, what the fuck is wrong with you?
jordan holmes
That would be a good text message.
dan friesen
Your behavior is incredibly inappropriate.
Yeah.
Because I don't think Megyn Kelly went there to do a hatchet job.
Like we talked about before the show started, she was lobbing softballs at Vladimir Putin.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
I don't think that necessarily she's there to be like, I'm gonna destroy Alex Jones.
I think more likely she's trying to get an interesting story out of it.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
And that does have to bring up Sandy Hook.
You do have to bring up 9-11 if you're talking to fucking Alex Jones.
jordan holmes
Of course.
dan friesen
What are you going to talk about?
Hey, Alex, do you have a garden?
unidentified
What the fuck kind of interview do you think anyone wants to do with Alex Jones?
jordan holmes
Alex, what's your favorite Sunday?
dan friesen
Well, the one that I go to church on.
I love that Sunday because I'm a Christian, but not these Glitterbug churches.
Okay.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Anyway, we've got to get back to Chimeras.
alex jones
You can make jokes about animal-human chimeras.
But that's a 30-plus-year-old truth.
And see, they don't want to debate about this now.
They've kept it quasi-secret until now.
dan friesen
Nope.
alex jones
And I mean, they've done some weird stuff.
They've got whole research labs.
They've got tests with people that don't even know.
They've got people that are like 1% wolf.
They've got people out walking around that are like 3% chimpanzee.
jordan holmes
We're already 97% chimpanzee.
You fucking idiot.
alex jones
I mean, they've done so many tens of thousands of tests that they admit in white papers that I don't even know what to say at this point.
And see, I just said, okay, I killed the kids at Sandy Hook.
I get it.
I'm bad.
You guys are trying to package a lawsuit.
I mean, it's like I'm worried about stuff like that, lady.
dan friesen
You are.
jordan holmes
You should be.
alex jones
That's the narrative they're pushing.
I'm worse than whoever, you know, Adam Lanza or whatever happened to Sandy Hook.
dan friesen
That's not the narrative that's being pushed.
That is your guilt.
That is your repressed guilt coming out because you know what you're responsible for.
You know that many of your listeners harass Sandy Hook victims' families.
And you know that they probably wouldn't be doing that if it weren't for your influence.
Now you're trying to pretend that you just had debates.
All this stuff.
It's very cowardly.
This is not what a man would do.
So, also, there aren't spider people.
Or people spiders, as it were, because he's saying that there are spiders that are part human.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
That is not going on.
jordan holmes
And again, that would be more fun.
dan friesen
As we discussed in...
jordan holmes
I feel like he's basically referencing Gremlins 2. That doesn't count for the references, though.
No, I'm not saying that.
dan friesen
Okay.
jordan holmes
I didn't write that down.
dan friesen
Okay.
So, like I said...
We will discuss all the specifics of why this chimera shit is whack probably on Wednesday.
So look forward to that.
I just don't want to go over it all again.
We'll go over a little bit of it as he brings some other stuff up.
jordan holmes
Yeah, the next episode is not quite as chimera heavy.
dan friesen
Eh, a little bit.
jordan holmes
Yeah, no, there's...
Well, we're on to chimeras quite a bit these days.
dan friesen
It seems like that's what Alex wants to talk about.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
And we go where his wind blows us.
Right, right, right.
So...
This clip, well, guess what?
jordan holmes
Chimeras!
dan friesen
Well, kind of, but also about weird testing and stuff.
jordan holmes
Like Common Core?
alex jones
You know, I got approached about 15 years ago by an engineer, a biologist, and he said, Alex, you think you know what's going on.
He said, I'm going to show you something.
And he took me in to DARPA labs.
unidentified
Nobody would take you into Starbucks, you idiot.
alex jones
Because they hide the worst stuff just as, you know, not for public consumption.
And I've told this story before.
He punched up some computers.
And he said, this is the monkey farm and the ape farm in Bastrop.
And he goes, I'm just going to let you see a little bit of this.
And he went, typed it in.
He punched up the screens.
And I was like, something out of the Matrix, man.
It was just apes and monkeys and everything with wires in their heads and big screens.
And he said...
We're just testing the flicker rate for humans.
And he took me to their lab.
He said, yeah, they get these women in there.
They pay them.
They masturbate.
They watch porn.
We've got sensors all hooked up to them.
But he goes, we're not even caring about what they're doing watching the porn.
He said, we're testing the flicker rate so that we can just manipulate and actually make women have psychological orgasms while they're watching television.
And he said, you know, this whole place is about women.
Everything we do here is about women.
Because women, even when the computers measured it, but it's like dark matter.
They can't measure it.
They can measure the response, but they know there's a signal being sent by women that is controlling men.
So what they've done is they've jacked...
This is getting really secret stuff now.
They've jacked into women, and then they've got them like cyborgs.
Broadcast and kill the species.
Kill yourselves.
Death.
Die.
Murder.
Be lazy, men.
Roll over.
Is that not sophisticated?
unidentified
Is that not sophisticated?
What the...
jordan holmes
Couldn't you just say, like, I don't understand what my wife is talking about?
dan friesen
That's what he thinks feminism is.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
That's, like, legitimately...
jordan holmes
Some sort of...
You know, psychic signal that we can only measure the effects of it.
It's like dark matter.
It's like dark matter.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
We know it's there, but we don't know what it is.
dan friesen
It's like God.
We know it's there.
We don't know what it is.
jordan holmes
Jesus Christ, that's bananas.
dan friesen
I could take some of this serious...
Well, I couldn't.
But I could listen to this and be like, maybe I should dig into this.
If he gave any goddamn specific to anything.
No.
The only thing he says really specifically is that you went to a DARPA lab.
jordan holmes
Which nobody would let him into.
unidentified
No.
dan friesen
But there is a DARPA lab at the University of Austin.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
It was established in 2005.
They gave a $4.3 million grant to the University of Texas in Austin.
And here is a description of what they were doing there.
Because it's all very publicly available.
It's this thing called the TRIPS project, and the goal was to develop a new class of technology, scalable, power-efficient, high-performance microprocessor architectures.
Trips.
jordan holmes
And implant them into women.
dan friesen
To make them hate men.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
dan friesen
Trips is designed to produce an architecture that can scale down to future semiconductor processes, accelerating industrial consumer embedded and scientific workloads, and eventually reaching trillions of calculations per second with a single chip.
So basically they're trying to scale down microchips and speed up efficiency.
jordan holmes
Absolutely.
dan friesen
There was a bidding of different universities and University of Texas at Austin.
Was awarded it, led by Professors Steve Keckler and Doug Berger.
It does not appear from any indications.
Also, this article gives out both of their phone numbers.
If you're really suspicious about them, you can go ahead and give them a call.
jordan holmes
Don't call them.
dan friesen
Ask, what's up with DARPA?
Also, there's a robotics lab that may have something to do with some DARPA funding at the University of Austin.
But again, this is not at all what he's talking about.
jordan holmes
Who's providing funding for the, let's make women masturbate and see if they can send out a signal to control men?
dan friesen
I think that what he's saying is, I don't understand The Bachelor.
I don't understand Drag Race.
Why do women like these shows?
And it must be because they're specifically designed to give women psychological orgasms.
Which I know about clitoral orgasms.
I know about vaginal orgasms.
I was unaware of psychological orgasms.
jordan holmes
Those do exist!
dan friesen
Is that right?
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah!
jordan holmes
There are some women who can come just by certain touches, and some of them can do it with their mind.
dan friesen
Oh?
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
This is true.
Is this like that Dead Prez song Mind Sex?
jordan holmes
Not quite.
Not quite.
dan friesen
It kind of is.
jordan holmes
But I would say turn off the radio.
And this is bigger than hip-hop.
dan friesen
And they schools can't teach us shit.
jordan holmes
Nope.
I am down for running up on some crackers in City Hall.
dan friesen
Yeah.
I don't want to do more references because I'm afraid the N-word is going to come up.
But be that as it may, Alex Jones has more labs he wants to talk about.
jordan holmes
Black labs, retrievers.
alex jones
And it was like a six-hour tour, and it was like, walk into this lab.
We've got microscopic cameras, and we're talking the size of heads of pins, scanning people's retinas as they look at products in Target.
And later it was in the news.
And then I had the NSA whistleblowers and all the rest of them.
So I'm sitting here with this woman, thinks she's making $20 million a year, a big power structure person.
jordan holmes
This woman making money?
alex jones
Because she's going after the bad guy that said Sandy Hook didn't happen, which I didn't even say.
I said they could stage it.
They've staged other stuff.
We have a right to question, just like babies and incubators.
dan friesen
I mean, that's his real only defense that he has, is the babies and incubators, which was fallacious testimony that was given in the lead-up to the first Iraq war, Desert Storm.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
There was the daughter of the Kuwaiti president, no, ambassador.
I can't remember exactly.
I apologize.
But she gave testimony that people were coming and taking the incubators and leaving babies to die on the ground.
It was a very visceral sort of thing.
It gave people a real, oh, this is horrifying.
But it was not the only impetus for people going into Desert Storm.
jordan holmes
Oh, it wasn't?
dan friesen
No, but it was something that was found to be she wasn't telling the truth.
jordan holmes
Like WMDs.
dan friesen
Right, but that's his only real defense of, like, People have lied about dead kids before.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
But he's also lying, saying that he said that it didn't happen.
We've played the clip a hundred times.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
He did.
He very specifically, over and over again, said that Sandy Hook was fake.
He was excited that Rob Dew's FBI agent uncle was going to go rogue and investigate it.
unidentified
Great.
dan friesen
So, I mean, it's all bullshit.
It's all bullshit.
jordan holmes
And what NSA whistleblower would go to Alex?
dan friesen
I don't know.
jordan holmes
What kind of...
Also, isn't he against whistleblowers as long as they are not agreeing with him?
dan friesen
There's a thin line about the right way to whistleblow and stuff like that that I think he believes in.
jordan holmes
Meaning, coming to me.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
But the other thing is, sure, he says, this woman is sitting in front of me with her millions of dollars.
jordan holmes
This woman.
dan friesen
And that's not...
jordan holmes
Not Megan.
dan friesen
That's not...
jordan holmes
Megyn Kelly.
dan friesen
That language isn't accidental, but what is really driving it is, first of all, there's the misogyny, but secondly, there is the idea that, like, I've been to these DARPA labs and seen all this shit.
You think you know stuff?
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
But you can't convince anybody that you're not lying.
You know what I'm saying?
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
John Ronson has gone on record very clearly.
He was with you at Bohemian Grove.
And as we listened to at the beginning of this episode, he said that you...
jordan holmes
He's not going to tell his listeners the truth.
dan friesen
You're aware of the fact that you're lying to people.
So at this point, I don't believe you went to a DARPA lab and saw electrodes attached to women masturbating.
jordan holmes
Of course not.
dan friesen
So you being like, Megan, you don't know shit.
I've got all this information.
I'm the real truth here.
You need to prove that you have real truth.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Something.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Otherwise, all that's left is...
jordan holmes
Chimeras.
dan friesen
And misogyny.
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
So, more Chimera talk!
jordan holmes
Yay!
alex jones
Do I even need to show you the thousands of current research articles about just in the U.S.?
By the way, they don't have trouble now if you've got money in China.
dan friesen
First of all, he does need to show us those articles if he wants to prove anything.
Secondly, he just said all this stuff only in America, and now he's going to talk about something in China.
alex jones
And your wife has a baby and can't produce enough milk?
Do you know what she does in China for at least a decade?
jordan holmes
No!
What?
alex jones
She orders online from the Chinese People's Liberation Army.
Human milk.
But do you know that milk's not from humans?
The milk is produced on farms with cows who are 99% in general, if you go to the studies, bovine.
But the mammary glands are almost completely human.
Giant human breasts hanging off of these cows.
It's only been on Chinese TV.
unidentified
Yes!
alex jones
Yes!
Because they don't want to show you this giant...
jordan holmes
I want to see it!
alex jones
...hanging off cows.
unidentified
I want to see a cow with giant tits.
alex jones
This is what they're showing us, ladies and gentlemen.
dan friesen
So the implication there is that there's so much worse that they're not showing us, which is bullshit.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
But, look...
jordan holmes
Show me a cow with tits!
That's what I want to say!
dan friesen
I'm going to guess it's a...
jordan holmes
Fuck the rest of this show!
dan friesen
All right.
I'm going to guess it's a Photoshop.
jordan holmes
Google me!
unidentified
A cow with giant human breasts!
dan friesen
I'm Googling it right now, my man.
jordan holmes
Where would you even put them?
dan friesen
Right on the chest, my man.
Right on the chest?
jordan holmes
Right next to the udders?
dan friesen
These are not real pictures.
There's one here, but that's not real.
jordan holmes
That's a cow with tits instead of udders.
dan friesen
Yeah, but that's not real.
That's not a real animal.
jordan holmes
No, of course not.
dan friesen
That is an art piece.
Let's see.
No, those are just udders.
Those are all just udders.
That looks like an udder that you could maybe say looks like a titty.
I don't know.
jordan holmes
This is disappointing.
So he probably saw that art piece.
dan friesen
Yeah, probably.
And the reality, too, is that I don't believe that Alex would be able to, or interested in knowing whether a picture was fake or not that he looked at.
jordan holmes
Never.
dan friesen
So you're not buying it from the army in China.
And they have been able to...
jordan holmes
Add the enzymes, as we've talked about.
And it is a good thing.
dan friesen
Well, I also have an article here from 2011.
And talking with Professor Ning Li, who's a scientist who led the research of the State Key Laboratories for Agrobiotechnology at the China Agricultural University, he insists that GM genetically modified milk would be as safe to drink as milk from ordinary dairy cows.
He said, quote, the milk tastes stronger than normal milk.
jordan holmes
Quote, I don't know what that means at all.
dan friesen
Quote, we aim to commercialize some research in this area in the coming three years.
For the human-like milk, Ten years or more time will be required to finally pour this enhanced milk into the customer's cup.
So Alex Jones saying that it's been going on for decades is absolutely...
I mean, you can't.
You can't say this.
This article that I'm reading that from is what he flashes on the screen.
jordan holmes
Oh, it is?
dan friesen
Yeah, when they're talking about this.
unidentified
Okay.
dan friesen
So he's saying something that's in direct opposition to the thing he's citing or the thing he's claiming as, like, proof.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
Just because the headline of the article.
The headline of the article is genetically modified cows produce human milk.
And because the headline says that, he doesn't have to deal with what's right under the fold.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Which actually is exactly the opposite of his bizarre fantasy.
jordan holmes
I think there is a certain amount of blame that does have to go to the headline writers, go to the editors of all of these things, because they are oftentimes just sensational journalism.
dan friesen
I don't disagree.
jordan holmes
That has nothing to do.
And even then, a lot of those wind up being like, this is possible, maybe.
Because we talked to a scientist, and even when we talked to that scientist, he was like, this probably won't happen.
But maybe it could.
dan friesen
I don't disagree, but I understand the business therein.
And quite frankly, I think genetically modified cows produce human milk is a fair headline.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
There.
jordan holmes
I would say so.
dan friesen
That's a pretty fair headline.
But other ones that he cites, definitely.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
Definitely a bit salacious.
So let's get in this.
Alex wants to talk about how dangerous the line of work he's in talking about chimeras is.
jordan holmes
Right.
alex jones
I talked to one genetic engineer when I was at an event and he told me about the stuff he saw in these laboratories in Maryland.
dan friesen
Now we pivot to a different story.
alex jones
And let me explain something to you.
jordan holmes
Now we're in Maryland.
alex jones
Take what I do serious.
I went and did an event with George Norrie once in Austin, Texas.
Completely different story.
And this guy showed up and I recognized his name.
And he told me about the CIA and killing Kennedy and how they came to his office.
He owned one of the biggest later in life funeral homes in the country.
Back then it was just a family home in Dallas.
I guess it was Fort Worth.
And how they came and how they put the fingerprints on the gun and all the rest of it.
And how they robbed Lee Harvey Oswald's body out of the crypt.
That guy was like Gordy Gowdy.
He was worth hundreds of millions of dollars.
89 years old when he came with his son.
These people were like billionaires, basically.
They tried to kill him when he left and ran him off the road.
And then threatened his family.
I talked to the family.
I mean, all the reason I'm telling you these stories is, like, I'll be sitting there with some genetic engineer.
jordan holmes
Because I am high as fuck!
alex jones
I've been in the lab for the humanoids.
They're begging for help.
They even listen to us and learn how to talk.
Let me tell you something.
It's the worst thing.
The children, the children, they start breaking down crying.
And then, like two days later, you hear the guy commit suicide.
dan friesen
Very not specific.
jordan holmes
Which guy?
alex jones
So, people ask me why I don't care if they attack me.
Because I'm only alive because of God.
I'm nobody.
I've just been chosen to be a messenger at this point.
Who knows what's going to happen down the road?
I'm not worried.
This is so exhausting, quite frankly.
I don't want to die, but they blow my head off tomorrow.
It's like, I got a lot of work, because it weighs on you.
It's invigorating, it's powerful, it's strong to be informed, but it's like, I'm in a science fiction movie, and I'm walking around, and I've got total proof.
They admit it all, because they're just easing it out like it's no big deal, like a fart in church.
dan friesen
You are kind of living in a science fiction movie, and I'll tell you what, I know exactly what weighs on you.
Lying!
That's very hard to do.
For 20 years to lie.
Is very stressful.
jordan holmes
It's tough.
dan friesen
If you were just telling the truth, you would not feel the immense pressure that you're under.
jordan holmes
Also, you wouldn't say things like, I have been chosen by God to be a messenger.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Which is basically...
I am a prophet of the Lord!
dan friesen
Well, we heard in 2015 he had a prophetic dream that lasted six hours.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's true.
dan friesen
So that is what he is thinking his place is.
And now we're going to get to this next clip where I told you to hold on to this idea.
This clip is where he spells out, I think, a mild schizophrenia.
Like, there is a legitimate thing where I don't think he's talking about race memory being something that is just encoded in our genes.
I think he thinks ancestors straight talk to him.
unidentified
Okay.
dan friesen
We'll see what you think.
alex jones
Did I get made fun of by some tart?
jordan holmes
Fuck you!
alex jones
That thinks I'm impressed by her and her $20 million a year and her stupid lawyer cross-examination where she takes stuff out of context?
So, if you just joined us, let me respond.
I hope Megyn Kelly's kids live to be 500 years old.
With the current technology we got, they should.
And by then, they can live forever.
Literally.
But it won't be Silicon.
It won't be digital.
It won't be zeros and ones.
Living forever is through your children and grandchildren and through the ideas and things you stand for.
Stupid.
We already live forever.
My ancestors are alive right now.
They're sitting here.
They're upset about what's happening.
They want to fight.
They want to live.
They care.
unidentified
They love.
alex jones
And you ignite that, we're unstoppable together.
dan friesen
So I don't know how much that is metaphor.
jordan holmes
I don't know how that could be at all a metaphor.
dan friesen
Oh, I could see a way of, like, thinking the pride of your lineage.
jordan holmes
Like, maybe if he was pointing to himself, like, in here.
dan friesen
Oh, yeah, he is hitting the desk.
jordan holmes
He's hitting the desk.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
He's like, my ancestors are right here next to me.
And he's saying next to me, not I am, you know.
Yeah, I think he talks to ghosts.
dan friesen
Yeah, I think there's a possibility that he legitimately talks to...
Well, there's another part later in the episode where he appears to be responding to something that isn't there.
Fuck yeah.
Which we'll get to a little bit later, but that just created a really fun thought in my head where he's like...
Alright, we're going to start the show today.
My guest is one of the tutors that I was related to.
He just interviews a ghost.
That would be a lot more fun than this wacky bullshit that he's on.
So, after this, he lists off a ton of headlines about chimeras that he's misrepresenting.
I think I'm going to just go ahead and cut that because it's getting repetitive.
But here we go.
We get back to...
I don't know how to set up this clip.
It's creepy.
jordan holmes
Oh boy.
dan friesen
It's weird.
unidentified
Oh boy.
alex jones
But let me just hit a few other subjects now that I've covered Megyn Kelly and I hope her children live a thousand years and I hope their children live a trillion years and I hope their children live to infinity because we are those children.
I'm a very selfish person.
I want the big birthright.
I want the next level and the next.
I want it all.
I want to prove to the big master architect that I'm ready.
I'm an incredibly selfish person.
I want the next level.
unidentified
No.
Bye.
Thank you.
alex jones
Let's hit the other stories.
dan friesen
That was it right there.
That no.
Was not in response to anything.
And maybe there's somebody off camera or something like that, but he appears to be wrestling with a thought in his head.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
He's like, I want the next level.
I want the master builder to know that I'm ready.
jordan holmes
I want to know what he thinks the next level is.
dan friesen
I mean, if you want to pretend he's actually a Christian, it could be heaven.
If you want to think that he's...
jordan holmes
From what we know, I don't think he believes in an eternal reward.
dan friesen
But if you want to think...
jordan holmes
In the same way that mainstream Christians see that cloud with the...
Yeah, yeah, that whole thing.
I don't see him thinking that.
dan friesen
Well, then maybe he's...
jordan holmes
I see him thinking more like Obi-Wan Kenobi.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Where he's a Force ghost.
dan friesen
That's possible.
I think it could be a sort of futurism thing where we become a Type 1 civilization, not realizing that he's the one working against that.
jordan holmes
Yeah, no kidding.
dan friesen
But, I mean, it could be something like that.
The next level could be like a fully realized, united humanity.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
But...
jordan holmes
Again, with all the life extension technology and all that stuff that he keeps saying, I just don't see him believing in anything other than I can become...
He's saying I'm very selfish.
I see him thinking that there is some sort of...
Next level of his own consciousness.
dan friesen
Right.
And if you fail the test, consciousness is just the universe doesn't want it anymore.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it's gone.
And again, he's not talking about heaven there.
He's talking about the universe.
dan friesen
That's true.
jordan holmes
So if the universe wants your consciousness gone, then he's looking more into like a Gaia situation where we're all part of the Earth's energy.
dan friesen
Well, and referring to God as like the master builder is very Masonic.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
That has that sort of a feel to it.
jordan holmes
The Architect.
Yeah.
dan friesen
I don't know.
I mean, it's a mystery, but that, I want to play it back.
I want to play the end of that back, because I want you to, I want to, like, really wrestle with this no.
alex jones
Master Architect, and I'm ready.
I'm an incredibly selfish person.
I want the next level.
unidentified
No.
alex jones
Let's hit the other stories.
jordan holmes
What the fuck was that?
dan friesen
It's unlike anything I've ever heard on the show before.
No is so weird.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And I know we might be making a mountain out of a molehill, but the idea that he's saying my ancestors are right here, eternal life is already around us, you live on through your ancestors and progeny, I want the next level.
alex jones
No.
jordan holmes
Yeah, and that was...
dan friesen
That's not how he would respond to someone, like one of his employees off camera.
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
Because I've heard him do that before.
jordan holmes
That was like a very spiritual thing right there.
dan friesen
Very fucked up.
jordan holmes
That's weird.
dan friesen
This is a man breaking.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
And it's because he knows...
jordan holmes
I still think he's high.
dan friesen
It's possible.
But maybe he's high and breaking.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Because he knows...
jordan holmes
Maybe he's high because he's breaking.
That's much more likely.
dan friesen
Any of these things are possible, but it's all because of Megyn Kelly.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
And he's now ready for primetime.
He's now ready for people to scrutinize him, and he knows it.
He fucking knows it.
jordan holmes
I just don't understand what this 11-minute interview could possibly have.
dan friesen
Especially if this is five times longer than that, and it's way worse.
If the public could just hear this.
jordan holmes
Yeah, exactly, right?
unidentified
If I were Megyn Kelly, I would air this.
jordan holmes
With no interview at all.
Just 11 minutes of this and go, look at this fucking guy!
dan friesen
Presented without comment.
jordan holmes
Yeah, exactly!
dan friesen
A lunatic.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah.
unidentified
Yeah, I don't like the way he's...
jordan holmes
Portrayed as a conspiracy theorist.
Because he is so much more insane than that.
dan friesen
Yeah, that's why on our future episode we're going to talk in passing reference to a guy like Jim Mars.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
And he's a guy who, from everything I can tell, is much more of just a conspiracy theorist.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Or someone like Richard Belzer.
Those people, they distrust the government and they want to dig into things that they find suspicious.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
Alex Jones is not that.
That's why I speculated on our most recently released episode that Alex Jones uses the glittery allure of conspiracy theory to bring people into his psychotic, weird, religiously bent, white nationalist world.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And that's what it's more really about.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And maybe in the past it was more about conspiracy theories, but that fucking boat has sailed.
Now we are in wacky territory.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
This is crazy.
dan friesen
Yeah.
And I can't imagine any of his...
I would...
I have to see.
What I predict is I think a lot of his employees are going to leave.
jordan holmes
You think so?
You think that's the way it goes down?
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
So he doesn't get taken down from outside.
It's everybody just kind of abandons him.
dan friesen
The level of self-indulgence, the level of insanity that's been going on in the last week and a half about the lead up to this interview.
I mean, you're never going to lose David Knight.
You're probably never going to lose Rob Dew.
He's been around for fucking years.
But, I mean, Leanne McAdoo's already on an extended hiatus, an indefinite hiatus.
She might not be back.
Millie Weaver, I don't know, maybe she'll leave.
jordan holmes
Who the fuck is?
Yeah.
dan friesen
Like, a lot of these other side characters have already gone.
John Rappaport's not going anywhere, I can tell you that much.
jordan holmes
John Rappaport's not going anywhere.
dan friesen
He's a stalwart.
jordan holmes
Oh, yeah.
John Rappaport already has the life extension technology.
dan friesen
He very well may.
jordan holmes
Oh, yeah.
dan friesen
So, I mean, I don't know.
That's what I predict happening.
But then, beyond that...
If he does release a full, if he has audio of everything and does release it, it does inject a lot of really interesting legal issues about whether he has the rights to that interview.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
And I could see him getting sued for doing that if he has that audio and releases it.
I mean, I could see a lot of possible outcomes and none of them are good for him.
jordan holmes
Nope.
dan friesen
Nope.
And he knows it and that's why he's acting like this.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I don't know.
This has been such a strange six months.
I have such a hard time believing where we started versus where we are now.
This is bananas.
dan friesen
It is interesting.
Over the course of 56 episodes or wherever we're at now, even our pretense that we started with is gone.
jordan holmes
No, absolutely.
dan friesen
Now we're worried about him.
It started with like...
Let's laugh at this asshole.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
And it's still kind of that.
And debunk his propaganda and his lies.
And now it's like, holy shit, there's a madman on the loose!
dan friesen
And we're getting these glimpses from his past that really explain it, like the parental abuse, the sniffing fumes under a building, like all of these things.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's such a wack...
dan friesen
The wacky head trauma.
Wacky is not the right word.
No, no, no.
jordan holmes
Traumatic.
dan friesen
Traumatic head trauma that he had as a child.
Like, all of it kind of matches up to someone who probably has some brain damage.
jordan holmes
Absolutely.
dan friesen
And it might be expressing itself through messianic beliefs.
It probably is expressing itself through the belief that he's communicating with dead relatives.
jordan holmes
Right.
alex jones
I don't know.
dan friesen
Anyway, we're not done.
Alex wants to talk about liberal violence.
jordan holmes
Finally.
Finally, we got that.
alex jones
There's an article at the Daily Caller that is something everyone should read.
I spent probably 30 minutes this morning that I didn't have reading this, and I had forgotten about so many of these attacks.
I was aware of a lot of them, but I was ashamed that at least a third I was unaware.
I mean, people being murdered, scouted, burned, shot, run over, killed, leftists, slaughtering, police, conservatives, shooting congressmen.
The list of attacks against conservatives is mind-blowing.
And then remember, with crime reporting, only a fraction of these crimes are being reported.
So imagine the exponential level of what we're facing.
dan friesen
Interesting that you want to use that logic when conservatives are the victim, but you don't seem to be all that interested in really giving some validity to racial.
Differences in police reporting.
jordan holmes
I think we have to just throw away any kind of hypocrisy arguments.
I think those are done.
There's no getting beyond that.
unidentified
No, no, no.
dan friesen
You're right, but it's fun to point out.
jordan holmes
It's too obvious.
They don't care.
I care if I am being hypocritical.
It matters to me.
I want to have some sort of through line.
I want to have some sort of ideological belief system that is consistent.
That I can apply to the world and see it.
Just like the fucking scientific method.
The whole point of that is to be able to apply it across the board.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Because otherwise it's useless.
Otherwise it's useless, right?
So if your ideology only accepts when you think things are bad versus when you think things are good, and they have nothing to do with each other, then why even bother?
If they don't care about being hypocrites, like, there's no such thing as a conservative ideology anymore.
It's nothing.
It's nothing.
Because it's not even guns.
It's not even guns right now, right?
That guy, that leftist is committing violence.
It's not like we need to support him for having a gun.
It's nothing.
They don't believe in anything other than everybody is attacking them because their world is changing.
That is all that conservative ideology is right now.
It's, my world used to be this, and now it's not.
And I will fight tooth and nail to try and make it not, or back to what I thought it was supposed to be.
dan friesen
Yeah, I'm looking at this.
If this took him half an hour, that's sad.
Of course it is.
So, I mean, yeah, I'll cop to it, though.
I mean, there are some liberals that are attacking people.
jordan holmes
Absolutely.
dan friesen
That's not something that we necessarily condone across the board.
That's not really the most important conversation to be having right now, though.
Because we've got to flip it around, and if you want to talk about conservative attacks...
You're not going to like the outcome.
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
It's going to be a much worse conversation.
jordan holmes
But that's a false flag.
Every attack.
Every attack is organized by leftists.
dan friesen
Soros.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
That's what they always believe.
dan friesen
Yeah.
But also, he really legitimately thinks that this staging of Julius Caesar...
Is called to kill Trump, not recognizing that every president has been depicted as Caesar throughout.
jordan holmes
I'm done.
I'm done with that.
dan friesen
Right, but I'm done.
jordan holmes
I'm done because that means...
dan friesen
I'm setting up the next clip.
jordan holmes
Oh, I'm sorry.
dan friesen
I'm not trying to make an argument here.
unidentified
All right.
dan friesen
So he believes that, and he believes that everyone is calling for Trump's death.
He thinks that everyone's calling for him to be killed.
Right.
And it leads him to sort of respond to what he wants to happen to people who are calling for the death of Trump.
jordan holmes
Jesus Christ.
alex jones
And then nothing's being done.
That shows.
That the courts are broken.
Most of the FBI...
This is open sedition.
George Washington would have military teams arresting 10,000 people tonight.
jordan holmes
No, he wouldn't.
alex jones
They'd all be falling down the stairs.
They would never see the light of day.
He would be signing death warrants on all these people right now.
George Washington would be killing all these people right now.
jordan holmes
No, he wouldn't.
unidentified
That's insane.
alex jones
That's what founded America.
He didn't commit war crimes against men, women, and children.
But if you said...
If you went out and tried to assassinate patriots, if you went out and said, let's kill people, George Washington sat there and signed death warrants.
Anyone that's publicly said, kill members of our military, kill members of our citizens, kill our people, kill them.
And he signed the death warrants.
He raped a woman, he'd hang you.
jordan holmes
He raped a woman.
She was a slave.
alex jones
The lack of atrocities George Washington did.
jordan holmes
He was a rapist who owned people!
You fucking idiot!
alex jones
I don't say these Trumps know George Washington.
Maybe he has some vision or understanding of what we're dealing with.
I don't question the president, but we'd already be in a hot war.
George Washington was president right now.
And I don't have any bloodlust after these dumb liberals.
I just know that they are organizing murder and death publicly, and it is a crime to let them do it.
dan friesen
So you better stop them.
How do you stop them?
Probably kill them.
jordan holmes
You murder them.
Just like George Washington would.
dan friesen
That's basically what he's saying.
jordan holmes
George Washington signed death warrants, which means we're justified in killing people.
dan friesen
Also, George Washington did...
There are multiple instances of him killing prisoners of war, which is...
I don't know if...
I mean, because the Geneva Conventions weren't around back then, but applying our modern standards, those are atrocious abuses of humanity.
Prisoners of war are supposed to be...
jordan holmes
He owns slaves.
dan friesen
There's that, too.
jordan holmes
He owns slaves.
dan friesen
Yeah, there's that, too.
jordan holmes
Fuck you.
And if your argument is, well, it was everybody doing it, go fuck yourself.
Go fuck yourself.
dan friesen
I can't make that argument?
jordan holmes
No!
I can't fathom how stupid these people are.
If you are protesting Julius Caesar, you're a fucking idiot.
You're done.
You're stupid.
dan friesen
Not recognizing at all that the murder of Caesar is not a good thing.
jordan holmes
Right.
It happens in the middle of the play, and the rest of it shows the negative fallout of it.
dan friesen
Yeah, someone had a great tweet that was like, democracy existed, and then after the killing of Caesar, it didn't until 1776.
There were just kingdoms and shit.
So, like, it is a stark...
Misunderstanding and just reactionary things.
You're looking like you're killing my guy!
jordan holmes
No, you're fucking stupid.
Again, we're empathizing with Alex Jones.
From time to time.
We have in the past.
dan friesen
I like to explain or try and find reasons for why he is the way he is, but I stop well short of saying he should be pitied.
jordan holmes
No, no, no.
I'm not saying he should be pitied.
I'm saying we're trying to...
dan friesen
We treat him like a human.
jordan holmes
We're trying to understand him.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Like, do you see the difference in...
Like, none of these people fucking read the play!
dan friesen
Nope.
jordan holmes
Just fucking read it first!
dan friesen
Also, Jack Posobiec's response was that he was going to put on a play version himself of the Salem Witch Trials, and they were going to burn Hillary at the stake, to which someone very astutely pointed out, it's called The Crucible.
jordan holmes
And again...
The good guys were not the people burning Hillary.
dan friesen
No.
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
Again, it's just really illustrating that you just don't know what you're talking about.
jordan holmes
They're stupid.
dan friesen
They're very dumb.
Very dumb, angry people.
But you shouldn't kill them.
jordan holmes
No, of course not.
dan friesen
Shouldn't.
That's not where we're at.
So, Alex, we're coming to sort of...
jordan holmes
But if they've helped build a society where people are constantly under threat of mass shooting, then I...
And you get mass shot.
It is ironic.
dan friesen
All right.
I don't want to re-engage.
So the rest of this, we have a couple more clips left.
Maybe like six or seven.
jordan holmes
Jesus!
dan friesen
But some of them are short.
jordan holmes
We're on six hours now, right?
dan friesen
Yeah.
Sorry.
I thought this was going to be shorter.
jordan holmes
And we've got yet another episode to do.
dan friesen
Yep.
This is going to be...
It might be as long a night as we predicted.
jordan holmes
Jesus.
dan friesen
I fucking hope not.
So the rest of this episode...
Again, ostensibly, what I would have done if I were him is be like, okay, it's gonna sound crazy when I talk about chimeras on Megyn Kelly's show.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
But here's what I want you to know.
Specific research, just lay it out.
Specific things.
Not hearsay from a random unnamed professor.
Not a clearly fictionalized story of women watching porn at a DARPA lab.
Don't do that.
This is your chance to really specifically bring at home what you actually believe in.
If you want to be given a fair day in court, that's what you should do.
That's what a sane person would do.
Instead, he spent a lot of time bullshitting, talking about Megyn Kelly, how she should come to Jesus, talking about pedophiles, talking about spider people.
And now, for the rest of the episode, it's kind of out-and-out Islamophobia and good sprinkling of anti-Semitism.
jordan holmes
Jesus.
dan friesen
So we're going to get to this.
This is how you want to fucking deflect from your interview.
jordan holmes
By being Islamophobic!
dan friesen
So much of this is just hatred.
alex jones
And then we've got this.
Time Warner CEO Jeff Bukes defends public theater Julius Caesar CNN at shareholders meeting.
But it's not just this one thing saying kill Trump.
It's all of it together.
A bunch of wimps wanting to have their right of passage of violence.
Massive inferno breaks out in East London, a residential block, days after Grenfell Tower fires, but a bunch of other fires.
And now, again, as I mentioned, the socialist leader says give people's homes to the Muslims so they can burn down more towers.
dan friesen
That's not what's being discussed.
alex jones
So that's that report.
And I feel sorry for the Muslims, but like...
It's like a rabid dog, though.
If they want to rape children and murder people, we just can't let them do it.
And I understand they're like inbred.
Like one psychopath with like 20 women held hostage and he has sex with them all.
Then he has sex with their daughters.
And then, you know, it creates this thing.
It's a very sad situation.
And the only love the Muslims get then is that, you know, they go out and blow themselves up or, you know, put some more women in sex slavery.
I mean, I get it.
It's a satanic culture.
dan friesen
So notice that he's not talking about extremists.
unidentified
Nope.
jordan holmes
All Muslims.
dan friesen
Yep.
unidentified
All of them.
dan friesen
This is how he feels.
jordan holmes
This is what they all do.
dan friesen
And, I mean, I'd like to point out that there are examples...
jordan holmes
The only love Muslims get is when they blow themselves up or sell women into slavery.
unidentified
Yep.
Yep.
dan friesen
And I'd like to point out that, you know, there was that Fritzl guy who kept women in his house.
And raped them and they had kids and he would attack the kids as well.
There was Ariel Castro here in America who did very similar things.
This is not something that's specific to some culture.
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
It's something that's specific to really fucked up people.
jordan holmes
Really fucked up dudes.
dan friesen
Dudes.
unidentified
Fair.
dan friesen
Fair point.
jordan holmes
Dudes.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
Men.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Sure.
And, like, I can't say anything in response to that.
Because it's undignified.
jordan holmes
What's there to say?
dan friesen
It's undignified to respond to that because it's such bigotry.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
It's such out-and-out twisting of reality to suit your bigoted position.
jordan holmes
Yeah, and I would love to say that 30 years ago it was black people that had the same exact shit said about them.
Unfortunately, it is now that black people still have that same shit said about them.
dan friesen
Yep, by some of the population.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Some of us have grown.
jordan holmes
Hopefully.
dan friesen
I think a lot of us have, and a lot of us have not, unfortunately.
I want to go to the next level.
Which, to me, is universal acceptance of people.
jordan holmes
The white genocide?
dan friesen
Yeah, sure.
The next clip here is about how Alex doesn't...
He's not afraid of a lawsuit.
He's not afraid of being sued.
jordan holmes
He should be.
dan friesen
Yeah, he probably should.
And then he misrepresents...
He basically shows that he doesn't have any idea what news shows do.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
So that's kind of fun.
alex jones
Continuing here.
NBC's talking about suing me.
You know, I'm not a litigious person.
You're the people I got on tape lying to me and saying I'd have final cut and I could watch all the tapes.
You're the ones.
And so just give me a break.
Do whatever you're going to do.
I'm not scared.
dan friesen
He's not proven that those...
alex jones
It's all in Doc's hands.
You people are such deceptive people.
It doesn't matter.
jordan holmes
Are you shitting me?
alex jones
Megyn Kelly says she's re-edited the interview to be tougher on Alex Jones.
You know the people she interviewed, the reported family members of the Sandy Hook folks?
I noticed that two weeks ago they were tweeting and talking about how they were being interviewed by Megyn Kelly.
She already interviewed these people.
They were already always planning this.
She always had a tough interview.
She wanted to just act like she was fair and open and wanted to use our gravitas, your gravitas, to try to get attention to her and her failing career.
And I take no pleasure in filming at Megyn Kelly.
jordan holmes
Yes, you do!
dan friesen
Of course you do.
jordan holmes
That's exactly what you want.
dan friesen
But at the same time...
jordan holmes
Whenever you called her a tart with millions of dollars, you wanted her to fail.
dan friesen
Yeah, and dum-dum, guess what?
Of course she interviewed families in Newtown.
jordan holmes
How could you not?
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Also, he said, reported.
Family members.
Which, again...
dan friesen
Uh-huh.
jordan holmes
That's him saying that they're not real!
dan friesen
Why would you say that?
Why would you phrase it that way?
unidentified
Yeah!
dan friesen
So, like, I can't believe he doesn't think, like, oh, yeah, they would want to see both sides of this.
Like, that is...
If you're doing a piece on him, of course you're gonna fucking talk to some people from Sandy Hook.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
What the...
unidentified
What?
dan friesen
Oh, my God, what ambush journalism.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
What did...
That's insane.
There's no way she said that she wasn't going to do that.
There's no way they said he was going to get final cut.
jordan holmes
If somebody said he was going to get final cut, that person was fucking with him.
dan friesen
Yeah, and if they did...
jordan holmes
Or it was Rob Du.
dan friesen
If they did, that's wrong.
But I can't imagine any legitimate news organization lying to someone like that.
jordan holmes
No one would ever give him final cut.
dan friesen
I'm going to guess that Alex has a tape of her saying, like, you can see it before we air it, or something like that.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
And then he's like, that means I get final cut.
jordan holmes
That's like if one of the To Catch a Predator guys was like, hey, we'll give that pedophile final cut on this episode.
Of course not.
alex jones
No.
dan friesen
So in this next clip, Alex reveals that he definitely believes in demons.
alex jones
I don't even want the credit.
You people need to cause a national debate about this.
But the elite have a breakaway civilization with the technology and the genetic engineering and the nanotech, and they want all this, and they don't even want us debating it while we watch football games and while we play games all day.
That's why I don't care.
Everybody's like, God, what's it like being the number one story as a demon and a criminal?
And I'm like, it means nothing.
It's all a projection.
We're losing our very species, and then they roll out Tom Brokaw to teach me.
It's just like Gladiator, where they bring back the Gladiator that's been retired for 20 years to take on Maximus, and it's all just a big joke.
I'm not even Maximus.
That's what's so pathetic.
It's like, let's just not kill each other.
Let's not bankrupt the planet.
Let's not sit here and mad scientist stuff because some interdimensional frickin' gremlins have crawled into our brains and are like programming things.
jordan holmes
That's some Scientology shit right there.
dan friesen
Yep.
alex jones
And every culture said there's evil trying to get us to destroy ourselves.
Now, maybe that's some operating system in humanity that wants to make us be greater.
I don't know what it is, but it's real, and it's happening, and it's going on.
It has to be dealt with.
dan friesen
Or possibly, I mean, I'm going to just propose this as an alternative theory.
Throughout culture, there has been an artistic expression that has come out about the reality that every decision you have to make in life, you can do a good or a bad thing.
Bad things lead to negative consequences.
Good things lead to good consequences.
jordan holmes
Which, if we're applying the scientific method, is probably not true.
dan friesen
Probably not true, but archetypally it's something that cultures try and teach.
And, you know, artistically there are expressions that come out of trying to reinforce those messages.
The fear of the devil trying to get you to do negative things is that pull within yourself of the pleasure that you could derive from this negative thing.
So, I mean, maybe it's that, Alex, or maybe it's an operating system of demonic shit that's infected our brain.
jordan holmes
Well, and if you want to go with operating system, why not just go with evolution?
Like, we are apes.
dan friesen
True.
jordan holmes
We are just apes.
dan friesen
3% chimpanzee.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Jesus Christ, you fucking idiot.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So, I...
Yeah.
He's an idiot.
But again, we got that one more.
unidentified
Gladiator.
jordan holmes
One more movie reference.
dan friesen
Gladiator.
So, we get back in this next clip to more Islamophobia.
Oh, wait.
No, we don't.
In this next clip, Alex Jones, we've already heard him say that he wants to go to the next level.
Now he wants to know about you.
What about you?
How about you?
alex jones
And this is just boot camp training.
Don't you want to see the next level and the next?
unidentified
Oh my gosh, imagine how cool this is.
alex jones
You actually have wonder and you see the mystery of life and the creativity and just the shared wonderment.
That's the experience, not a power trip.
Can you imagine?
dan friesen
Fair enough.
jordan holmes
Is he talking about Super Mario World?
dan friesen
He's talking about Rainbow Road.
jordan holmes
I'm a big fan of Giant World.
dan friesen
Okay.
That's a great next level.
jordan holmes
I want to get to that next level.
dan friesen
Sure.
Yeah, there is a framing of life kind of like a video game, which is weird because he thinks video games are a DARPA program to brainwash people.
But be that as it may...
Now we get to him being wildly Islamophobic again.
alex jones
Here it is.
Jeremy Corbyn.
Empty homes owned by Rich.
That means he might make 100,000 pounds a year.
Should be requisitioned for Greenfell Tower residents.
Yeah, the Muslims burned down their building.
That's all staged and ready.
The Brits will probably roll over.
Because they've got that communal...
unidentified
Fuck.
Sharing.
Come together thing like the Japanese.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it's terrible when people come together, you fucking idiot!
dan friesen
He's trying so hard to come up with a nefarious way to describe community.
And it's really, really fucked up.
Because the community that he's really scared about is this idea of an integrated community.
jordan holmes
He's like if at the end of the Grinch story...
Instead of the Grinch's heart growing three sizes, it shrinks down, and he's like, The Who's are fucking evil!
Fuck you, you piles of fucking shit!
You can't trust the Who's in Whoville!
Those motherfuckers are trying to steal my cave!
dan friesen
They tried to poison me with that ham that they gave me when I came down and had dinner with them.
Look, I went into the Gorgon's nest when I went to eat with those Who's.
jordan holmes
They were all fucking holding hands.
Communists!
dan friesen
And you know what?
Hey, I knew I was walking into a trap.
I recorded the whole thing.
Yeah.
And I got the tape.
I'll reveal it.
I'll reveal it to everybody.
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Jesus.
dan friesen
He's a monster.
alex jones
Used against them, their openness, their sharing, their goodness for an outside alien cancer.
They turn their own instincts against them.
Oh, our brothers had their building burned down.
Move them into your house.
See?
dan friesen
See?
jordan holmes
That's evil?
alex jones
Fears of riots in the street is anger over...
Grenfell Tower tragedy rises.
The Muslims may riot!
Because they've been burning down their own apartment buildings.
See, the victims of the victims of the victims of the victims.
Wherever they go, fire, burning, incest, murdered women, deformity, death.
But always the arrogant stare.
Yeah, pull up the Manchester bomber.
Always the arrogant demon stare.
Of someone that can take life and create deformity and kidnap women and blow up little girls.
Always the stare of the scumbag who's got the power to be a piece of filth.
And you will bow as you see the ugly face because you're guilty that he's ugly and you're not.
And so out of your guilt given to you by creation, but only meant to be given to those that deserved it, you ascend the cancer.
unidentified
What kind of shit, God?
alex jones
You commit suicide because you feel guilty that you're not ugly like him.
dan friesen
Well, I mean, that's...
jordan holmes
Also, didn't you say that Confederates bow to you?
dan friesen
Yeah, he did say that.
Well, the Confederates who know...
jordan holmes
Yeah, the Confederates who know his royalty.
dan friesen
But then, like, the way he's talking there, I really, really want people to juxtapose that to how he talks about Timothy McVeigh, how he talks about the guy at Ruby Ridge.
False flag.
How he talks about Dylann Roof.
jordan holmes
False flag!
dan friesen
I mean, he doesn't even talk about the shooter at the Quebec mosque.
jordan holmes
Yeah, well, that's because that was a false flag.
dan friesen
Any time, or even James Holmes, the shooter at the Batman in Aurora, the Batman screening.
jordan holmes
Well, that was just a great movie.
dan friesen
Every single one of those, he doesn't talk about like this.
And there's a reason.
There's a fucking reason, and it's because those people are white, and he defends them, even if he thinks they're guilty.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Like, even in the case of, like, James Holmes, he's like, oh, he was drugged, he was part of a government program.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Or whatever, which is plausible deniability because of his whiteness.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
You give him that sort of a pass.
When it's someone who's a Muslim, it's like, they're all so bad, that arrogant stare, because they know they can take away life and deformities and blah, blah, blah, blah.
It's so fucking racist.
It's so fucking bigoted.
It drives me nuts.
jordan holmes
And it's hard to look at that and not see, because he's just doing it, obviously.
Again, all of his words are describing him.
He's giving that stare.
He's saying he has the power to do this.
And you see that, and him being so open about it, and you just think, that is just a more aggressive version of everything you hear.
From fucking white congressmen.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
It's the same shit that you hear from those GOP congressmen.
dan friesen
And I think one of the failings of people who are...
jordan holmes
Or perhaps the fucking president of the goddamn United States.
dan friesen
Sure.
I think one of the failings that I fall into even as a sort of cucked out liberal tard or whatever is that I think that stuff like this is a cry for help in many ways.
And that's the wrong way to look at it.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Because there is a part of me that I don't know what it comes from, maybe wishing someone saved me as a child, you know, that I feel the...
I empathize with people like Alex in the sense that I can feel a lot of pain coming from him.
And when he screams about things that are clearly projections, they're clearly things inside him coming out, there's a lot of me that has to fight against the, like, he just really needs someone to help him.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Because that's not the case.
He is just out and out full of hate.
jordan holmes
And there's no help.
dan friesen
No.
jordan holmes
You're not going to help.
You're not going to help a psychopath.
dan friesen
No.
The best thing we could do to help him is what we're doing now, quite frankly.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
And hope that the public wakes up and people stop buying his dumbass supplements.
So the next clip we're going to get into is a bit long.
It's like five minutes long.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
But it's worth it for the anti-Semitic rant that he goes on.
jordan holmes
Jesus.
dan friesen
It's crazy.
So here's what it's based on.
The CEO of Goldman Sachs, Lloyd Blankfein, he got on Twitter.
He hadn't been on Twitter before, and he tweeted out a couple of things.
So he tweeted about the Paris Agreement on June 1st.
He tweeted, Today's decision is a setback for the environment and for the U.S.'s leadership position in the world.
Hashtag Paris Agreement.
Then the next day he tweeted, Leadership helps America.
Our language is dominant.
Money global.
Talent comes.
Bad if lost.
Consider with making policy on environment, trade, defense, etc.
Now, on June 6th, he tweeted, arrived in China.
As always, impressed by condition of airport, roads, cell service, etc.
U.S. needs to invest in infrastructure to keep up.
Three days later, on June 9th, now this one's a little trolly.
Just landed from China, trying to catch up.
How did infrastructure week go?
So that's a little trolly.
jordan holmes
I love the...
Fucking balls on this pile of fucking shit.
Like, you didn't help destroy our fucking country.
unidentified
Right.
jordan holmes
Like, you fucking pile of garbage, Goldman Sachs motherfucker didn't help ruin the fucking economy.
Right.
And then turn people against the fucking government to help us.
dan friesen
Right, and that's...
jordan holmes
Like, you're the one who's saying, like, well, we can't invest.
We can't invest in people.
We have to bail out the fucking banks.
We need a giant stimulus package.
That doesn't help any fucking person.
You're lobbying against that shit as we speak!
As we speak!
He is paying people to fucking fight against the very shit that he is pulling.
Fuck you!
dan friesen
Fair enough.
jordan holmes
And that has nothing to do with him being Jewish.
dan friesen
That's fair enough.
And that, I think, is a fairly reasonable response.
jordan holmes
He can go fuck himself.
dan friesen
Now, Alex's response to these tweets...
jordan holmes
I bet it's the same as mine.
dan friesen
It's a little different.
Little different.
alex jones
And then I want to close with this.
Goldman Sachs CEO appears to troll Trump on Twitter over infrastructure.
Wait.
That was ABC News.
And he comes back and he says, oh, China, they're building so much.
Yeah, they have ghost cities.
They build whole cities, but then nobody can afford to live in them.
Let's Google ghost cities China.
They have enough for 30, 40 million people.
And they kill 100 million of their daughters.
Because they're feminists.
They're liberal, of course.
You kill the girls because you're liberal.
You're feminist, of course.
You bring in the Muslims to kill the women because you're a feminist.
You care about women.
We care about women.
Women come to our banner.
We love you.
We are the globalists.
God, you are gross.
unidentified
God, you are gross.
alex jones
Open the door.
Open the gate.
We love you.
He's such a rotten demon.
He can't even hide his little humpback running around pissing on everything, tearing down America, de-industrializing, funding the radical Islamists, opening the borders, funding every matter of evil, the genetic engineering, everything he can as a little demonic wizard beavering away, trying to blow up the earth, basically, because his God promised him heaven.
As soon as he kills everybody.
And it's weird.
It's like they're on this power trip.
And these Satanists are just like, they think they have everything and they're just like crazed nobodies.
But because they're empty husks for whatever this interdimensional broadcast is, because they're meat puppets, they just operate in this state of ecstasy that's completely false.
If they could ever see beyond the dimension they're caught in.
But you can't get through to Lloyd Blankfein.
Imagine he's like, oh, screw you, Trump.
You think you turned the economy on?
unidentified
China will defeat you.
There's nothing you can do.
We've already wrecked the country a hundred different ways.
alex jones
We've already moved offshore.
dan friesen
So I know I told you this was anti-Semitic.
And there is some goblin stuff that he does.
jordan holmes
The humpback, really.
dan friesen
There's some classical canards in there.
But this impression is about to take a turn.
The impression takes on a very sort of...
jordan holmes
He does Woody Allen?
dan friesen
Not really.
It's worse because there's like demonic aspects to it.
But then also the idea of globalism is anti-Semitic and the idea of weaving in Satanism with Judaism is a very classical thing.
jordan holmes
Your God.
dan friesen
It's a very classical thing that people do.
So here, let's get to this wacky impression.
jordan holmes
Oh no.
dan friesen
That is not appropriate.
unidentified
Humanity's weak.
alex jones
We bet on it being weak and we what?
unidentified
I'm Lord Blankfein.
alex jones
I just landed from China trying to catch up.
Oh, fuck.
Oh, how'd infrastructure we go?
China's infrastructure is so incredible.
unidentified
I'm so impressed by them and not us.
dan friesen
So that's bad, but he's still trying to find the pocket.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
Because he was doing, like, just straight demonic.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
And this has gotten to a little, like, pansy nerd or whatever.
He hasn't quite found the voice.
Alex Jones is a master impressionist.
Everyone knows that.
So he's just really struggling because he's teleprompter free.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
This is all just riffs.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
So he's trying to find exactly, like, I want to really Jew this voice up.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
And he's going to get there, I promise you.
But that's still not the full effect yet.
alex jones
You think you'll turn the economy back on?
unidentified
You think you'll get people jobs?
You'll get nothing.
alex jones
I'm Lloyd Blankfline with a millimeter-long dick.
unidentified
Here to prove everybody how powerful I am.
alex jones
I'll show all you alphas in America.
unidentified
I signed up with China and their genetic labs.
alex jones
They're already growing me a new body.
unidentified
We'll figure out if I can actually get into it, but it doesn't matter.
I'm Lloyd Blankfline.
I'm mad I'm hunchbacked.
alex jones
I'm mad I'm mutated.
unidentified
I'm mad I'm inbred.
I'm gonna kill everybody that isn't!
alex jones
Goldman Sachs profits increase at the Donald Trump election.
dan friesen
Wonder why that is.
alex jones
Yeah, almost 30%.
Hundreds of billions of dollars in bonuses to these assholes.
And they're mad at Trump because, oh, hundreds of billions also went to the general investor in the public.
unidentified
Oh, no, no, no, no, no, my, I get it all.
Oh, there we go.
No, no, no one gets anything but Lloyd Blankfein.
jordan holmes
That's where it is.
unidentified
No one gets that but me.
alex jones
And take the former head of Goldman Sachs.
unidentified
He bet 40 to 1. Corzine.
alex jones
With other people's private brokerage accounts.
Because they've got to do something wilder and wilder.
They're just like begging someone to stop them.
They just can't believe that God keeps the planet in control and keeps, by different means, stopping them from destroying everything.
And they're just like more and more wild, just running around on a power trip like insane demons.
And it's a spiritual infection.
I've seen it in my own family.
dan friesen
What?
jordan holmes
I don't know what that means at all.
dan friesen
It's very exciting.
unidentified
Yeah.
alex jones
Yeah, I've seen it.
dan friesen
What have you seen?
alex jones
And I've seen Lloyd Blankfein's assault, and all I can say is, I'm not saying I'm your Huckleberry.
All I'm saying is, I know I'm on the winning team.
This body means nothing.
And I am committed 100 plus percent, and you're going to fail.
There will be a remnant of humanity that survives the fire.
And I'm just here hoping for a soft landing, but we all know that's not going to happen.
jordan holmes
144,000.
alex jones
But at the end of the day, Lloyd Blankfein, without us doing anything, No matter how much genetic engineering, no matter what he's got, he and his whole family are going to die of cancer.
They're all going to fail.
What they've brought in is going to devour them.
jordan holmes
Oh, boy.
alex jones
And I hope Lloyd Blankfein has some humanity left.
unidentified
I just don't think he does.
alex jones
I mean, you can look at him.
He is like Gollum.
dan friesen
Oops.
unidentified
There we go.
jordan holmes
That's seven.
alex jones
And even though we try to take care of Gollum...
And even though we hope he can be good, he's not going to be good.
He's going to go with the ring from where he came into the fire.
dan friesen
Does that count as a separate reference?
alex jones
Because Lloyd Blankfein's already not amongst the living.
jordan holmes
I mean, unless you want to distinguish between fellowship with the ring and return to the king.
dan friesen
Lloyd Blankfein is not among the living.
He's a walking dead.
So, yeah, the real problem is the hunchback, the golem, the sort of classical archetypes of anti-Semitism.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
And then the money-grubbing explanation.
jordan holmes
Of course.
dan friesen
And the me-me-me-wow voice.
It takes a turn.
You know, that's not...
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
That's repressed anti-Semitism that's coming to the surface.
And if you wanted to have a nuanced discussion of the legitimately bad policies that Goldman Sachs has been responsible for and all the bad stuff...
He could list specifics, like you listed some specifics.
jordan holmes
Goldman Sachs has been behind so much shit.
dan friesen
And if we sat down to prepare a show like he does, we could have a ton of specific examples.
jordan holmes
Well, I mean, go by Matt Taibbi's book.
dan friesen
See?
jordan holmes
What is it?
What is it?
It's the one about squid.
Vampire squid.
dan friesen
Okay.
jordan holmes
Yeah, in which he just lays out the years upon years in which Goldman Sachs, well, not least of which, the government is stacked with...
Former and current Goldman Sachs executives, all of whom have orchestrated a fuck-the-poor policy from start to finish.
dan friesen
It's mysterious that the Trump administration has so many former Goldman Sachs people, and their profits have gone up a lot.
jordan holmes
Strange.
dan friesen
It's a bizarre coincidence, I assume.
Probably nothing there.
jordan holmes
No, and they, just like the Banana Republics, they have also been behind so many of those fucking CIA moves.
Like, it's fucking...
Goldman Sachs is fucking...
Evil.
dan friesen
So the important point, though, is if Alex really wanted to get into stuff, he could get into those things.
Even the topic that he's covering, he could say, okay, look, he's fucking trolling Trump, and I get it.
That's fun.
But the reality is, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
Here is what Goldman Sachs has been up to.
Instead of being like, he wants to say China's so great.
No, he's still mad.
They get all this money, but they want all of it.
They don't want you to have it.
jordan holmes
Well, that is true.
Goldman Sachs does want all of the money.
dan friesen
Well, but look, here's the thing.
Billions of dollars aren't going to normal people.
That's not happening.
And that's not what's making Lloyd Blankfein mad.
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
So all of that's absurd.
Anyway, we're almost done.
We've got two more clips.
George Soros has always been a boogeyman for Alex Jones.
He mysteriously doesn't really come up.
But at the end of this episode, Alex Jones decides to go after his son.
jordan holmes
Oh, what?
dan friesen
Alex Soros is a college-aged son of George Soros.
jordan holmes
Jesus.
dan friesen
And Alex Jones decides to throw him into the mix.
alex jones
Alex Soros.
unidentified
All of them will fall.
alex jones
God will crush them in God's time.
They are but the instruments of our testing.
They believe they gain power through Satanism?
They only shed their humanity to be empty vessels of this wicked force.
dan friesen
There's no evidence that any of these people who you claim are Satanists are Satanists.
The only thing that's in common with a lot of them is that they're Jews.
unidentified
Well, and just fucking leave the kids alone.
jordan holmes
Why do you think...
What he said to Megyn Kelly was almost certainly the same shit.
dan friesen
Probably.
jordan holmes
Probably.
Like, it was not like a, your kids are going to die of cancer if you don't see the light.
It was probably, your kids are going to die in God's time.
dan friesen
Yeah, or something along those lines.
Something that is way more threatening than he thinks it comes out of.
You know, I mean, there's something that I've learned over the course of my life, and that is that how I say things are not always how people hear them.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
And that's an important consideration when we want to live in a society.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
And I don't think Alex Jones gives any thought to that.
jordan holmes
Be thoughtful.
Like, it's such a simple thing.
Just think about other people for a sec.
dan friesen
Could help.
So we have one more clip, and this is sort of his dismount for the episode.
jordan holmes
Jesus.
How is there a dismount?
This has been a high-wire act.
He's got to fall and there is no net underneath it.
dan friesen
What's fucked up is it's a high wire act that he keeps falling off.
I don't know how that would work.
If there's other high wires underneath he keeps accidentally landing on and falling off.
jordan holmes
He lands on a high wire underneath it and that accidentally propels him up to an even higher high wire.
Oh no!
Is this the one?
dan friesen
I'll say this.
He doesn't give a good summation.
jordan holmes
What summation is there to give?
dan friesen
I'm really angry about people who are different than me.
Megyn Kelly's interview is going to be a destruction of my career because people are going to start paying attention to me.
And oh shit, fact checkers will come around and realize I haven't read the things that I claim that I've read or I'm lying about them.
My entire globalist mythology is going to collapse from under me and now people aren't going to buy my product.
I know it's an inevitability so I'm going to present myself as a savior who has graciously thrown himself against the barbed wire so people can climb over me.
When in reality I have been hoisted on my own petard.
And the house of cards that I've built of bullshit is collapsing around me.
Oh my God, please.
It's all the Muslims' fault.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
That's kind of the summation.
jordan holmes
That's the summation right there.
dan friesen
Let's see how he does it.
jordan holmes
Everything is everybody else's fault.
dan friesen
Yep.
It's either the Jews, the globalists, or the Muslims.
Or the people who enable the Muslims.
jordan holmes
Right.
The leftists.
dan friesen
Yep.
alex jones
I want to thank Jesus Christ that I am not Alex Soros.
I want to thank God Almighty.
The father of all creation and all that's good that I am not with these people and just pray.
I won't blame God for anything that happens to me ever.
Just don't let me be with them for eternity.
Let me be with you because I have seen the power and the glory.
I've seen the light and that's where I want to be.
jordan holmes
Right.
Sure.
Fucking fuck you.
alex jones
Good God.
jordan holmes
Good God Almighty.
alex jones
All right, that's it for this transmission in 45 minutes.
In 15 seconds, David Knight is going to be live in studio with the rest of the great crew.
jordan holmes
That's it.
All right, I'm out.
dan friesen
Thank God I'm not like George Soros' son.
I don't want to go to an afterlife that involves them.
Long pause.
Good God.
jordan holmes
All right, I'm out.
dan friesen
Another long pause, and then peace.
jordan holmes
Yeah, exactly.
Jesus.
dan friesen
Yeah, that's bad.
jordan holmes
Jesus, this fucking lunatic.
dan friesen
That's bad broadcasting.
So, we are going to wrap up this episode here.
I believe that Alex is in a panic mode, as I described right before that clip.
That's my firm position.
And whether or not the interview is actually as explosive as he's fearing.
jordan holmes
I almost guarantee it's not.
dan friesen
Of course it won't be.
jordan holmes
We're recording this as part one.
We have not watched the interview yet.
dan friesen
We'll be back for part two.
I mean, it'll be out now when you're listening to this.
But we'll be back for that.
But in the meantime, if you'd like to find us, you can check out knowledgefight.com.
jordan holmes
At knowledge underscore fight on Twitter.
dan friesen
And if you'd like to donate to the show, there's a button on knowledgefight.com called Support the Show.
Called?
Alright.
That's what I call it.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Also, you can find us on Facebook.
jordan holmes
If you don't...
Sure.
unidentified
I don't know.
jordan holmes
And if you don't want to donate, that's totally cool.
unidentified
That's cool.
jordan holmes
But we would like it if you went to iTunes and left a positive review.
dan friesen
That'd be nice.
jordan holmes
That'd be super cool.
They do those algorithms things where, you know, or maybe they don't.
unidentified
I don't know.
dan friesen
We got a new review recently.
jordan holmes
Oh, did we?
dan friesen
Climbing up the ranks.
We're not.
But anyway, it's so hard not to call him Lord Blankfine because Alex kept saying it.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And Lloyd is a tough name.
Anyway, Lloyd Blankfein.
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
He's walking dead.
jordan holmes
Is he walking dead?
dan friesen
He is dead.
jordan holmes
And let me ask you a question.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Who is, like, who can you name who isn't dead?
dan friesen
Well, it's a guy who has life extension technology.
jordan holmes
Oh, yeah?
dan friesen
Yeah, and a big old bushy gray beard.
And an inability to hang pictures.
jordan holmes
So you're saying that John Rapoport still lives!
alex jones
Andy in Kansas, you're on the air.
Thanks for holding.
unidentified
Hello, Alex.
jordan holmes
I'm a first-time caller.
unidentified
I'm a huge fan.
I love your work.
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