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June 12, 2017 - Knowledge Fight
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#52: July 14-21, 2015

Today, Dan tells Jordan all about the fourth installment in his investigation into what happened to convince Alex Jones to sign up with Team Trump. In the last episode, we learned that Alex felt that Trump was a "predator," a "shill," and clearly mob-connected, so how does his opinion come to change? Topics covered on today's episode: Alex "intentionally" "jumps the shark" (?) Alex is fooled by criminally edited anti-Planned Parenthood propaganda videos A caller convinces Alex that Jade Helm is real, and that the UN is operating out of a Walmart in Alabama

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Main voices
a
alex jones
29:03
d
dan friesen
01:26:31
j
jordan holmes
47:21
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jesse ventura
02:06
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larry elder
01:39
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chuck baldwin
00:17
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Speaker Time Text
alex jones
Andy in Kansas, you're on the air.
Thanks for holding.
unidentified
Hello, Alex.
jordan holmes
I'm a first-time caller.
unidentified
I'm a huge fan.
I love your work.
alex jones
I love you.
dan friesen
Hey, everybody.
Welcome back to Knowledge Fight.
I'm Dan.
jordan holmes
I'm Jordan.
dan friesen
We're a couple dudes who like to sit around and drink novelty beverages and talk a little bit about Alex Jones.
jordan holmes
That's correct.
Today we have Sprecher, a fire-brewed cherry crayon gourmet soda.
dan friesen
It is definitely gourmet.
Cherry crayon.
jordan holmes
I don't understand.
Now, hold on.
dan friesen
Prediction.
jordan holmes
Prediction.
dan friesen
Is it going to be cherry cran cola or just cherry cranberry?
What do you think?
jordan holmes
I don't know.
I don't actually know what applying the word cola means.
dan friesen
Well, it means it would taste like a Coke but with cherry cranberry flavoring.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
Or is it just straight up fruit soda?
jordan holmes
Let's go with Coke with...
Let's go with cherry Coke.
dan friesen
Let's find out.
jordan holmes
Here we go.
dan friesen
The big reveal.
Jordan taking a swig.
jordan holmes
Wow.
This is fucking delicious.
alex jones
Yes!
jordan holmes
It is so good.
dan friesen
This is a first!
jordan holmes
It's so good.
I'm gonna drink six of these.
Yes!
What does it taste like?
I have no idea.
unidentified
No clue.
jordan holmes
Right now, all I can experience is joy.
dan friesen
I will open mine up during our first clip, but first, let's get to an out-of-context drop of Alex Jones.
jordan holmes
Before we do that, let me ask you a question about this show.
dan friesen
Oh yeah, I forgot about that.
jordan holmes
Do you remember how we're professionals at this, apparently?
dan friesen
I don't.
jordan holmes
Oh, fair enough.
Good point.
dan friesen
Listen, I know a lot about Alex Jones.
jordan holmes
Do you?
dan friesen
I do.
jordan holmes
Can we take that again?
From the top.
dan friesen
There's a twist to this show.
jordan holmes
Is there a twist?
dan friesen
I know a lot about Alex Jones.
jordan holmes
I don't know anything about Alex Jones.
Let's get to an out-of-context drop!
And liberal!
And liberal!
unidentified
I'm liberal!
I'm liberal!
And liberal!
dan friesen
Also...
jordan holmes
Alright, that's a good one.
dan friesen
Yeah, that's a pretty good out-of-context drop.
I'd like to give a shout-out...
jordan holmes
Is he also doing riddles with...
Fucking Frodo in the dark.
dan friesen
That sounds like some sort of weird troll being.
I'd like to give a shout out to someone who is not a troll being, ladies and gentlemen.
jordan holmes
That is some great, great segue stuff.
dan friesen
This is a first honorary policy wonk, because I don't know if this guy donates to the show, but I've been putting off writing back an email to listener Brian for quite a while.
He sent me what may be the world's greatest email.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
Really sort of lifts my spirits.
Whenever I feel like it doesn't matter that we're doing this show, I can take a little look at this email and be like, alright, that's very reassuring and I appreciate it very much to the point where I've been trying to write him back for about two weeks and I can't.
I sit down and I feel like an asshole, so instead of writing you back, Brian, I'd like to thank you publicly and give you an honorary policy walk status.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
dan friesen
Welcome aboard.
jordan holmes
Welcome aboard, Brian.
dan friesen
You don't need to give Brian to be a policy wonk, apparently.
jordan holmes
Your email was so good.
That Dan apparently kept it to himself and did not tell me about it, which I can only assume means you talk some serious shit about me personally.
dan friesen
It was all about how much you suck.
jordan holmes
It was all about how the show is garbage and it should just be Dan.
dan friesen
Jordan yells too much.
We just want Dan's analysis.
Said nobody.
No, it was more just I was embarrassed that it was so positive.
I have to hide those things.
Anyway.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much, Brian.
I'll forward you the email.
It really does mean a lot whenever people say nice things.
dan friesen
Indeed.
jordan holmes
It really does.
dan friesen
Or un-nice things about Alex Jones.
So, today, Jordan, we're going to be embarking in part four of my investigation into what the fuck happened to Alex Jones in 2015.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Today, we're going to be covering the time span of July 14th through July 21st, 2015.
It's gonna be strange.
It's a weird road ahead.
But there's a lot of stuff that's very worth discussing.
And Alex Jones being very weird.
Very weird.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
His headspace is so fucked up.
And I think I've started to piece a few things together.
I'm gonna give you some of this analysis up front.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
I think that Alex Jones, more than being just a propagandist...
Is someone who's tricked by propaganda very easily.
jordan holmes
That would make sense.
That follows.
dan friesen
And I think...
I like to play the game where there's something super nefarious going on and Roger Stone is pulling the strings behind him.
jordan holmes
As do we all.
dan friesen
And that may be the case.
But a very simple explanation.
jordan holmes
Well, I mean, hopefully for the popularity of our show, it's the case.
dan friesen
Sure, if we break that, that would be huge.
jordan holmes
That would be huge, yeah.
If it turns out he's just an idiot, then we all feel kind of weird, don't we?
unidentified
Yeah, because then everyone's like, he knew that.
dan friesen
I'm starting to...
jordan holmes
Breaking.
Scientists have discovered that Alex Jones is a fucking moron.
dan friesen
I'm starting to get a sense that possibly a lot of his transformation that happens in 2015 is...
That there is weaponized propaganda going around, and he is as much a proponent of it as he is a victim of it.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
And one of the things that made that click into place was I was listening very carefully to James Comey's testimony last week, and one of the things that he was asked was when did the FBI become first aware of Russian hacking and Russian influence campaigns?
And his answer was summer of 2015, which is right around the era when we're talking about.
jordan holmes
Okay.
Alright.
dan friesen
I've noticed a lot of instances of Alex believing bullshit stories.
jordan holmes
That were deliberately or at least possibly traced back to those kind of Russian propaganda campaigns.
dan friesen
It's possible.
I don't know if we can definitively say that.
We can definitely say that he believes complete lies.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
And he would be susceptible to that.
jordan holmes
Circumstantially, it does seem to make sense.
dan friesen
If he was hacked.
unidentified
Ooh.
dan friesen
There's all sorts of shit that could be found out.
jordan holmes
Now we've got a different nefarious campaign.
I'm loving it.
dan friesen
It's entirely possible.
jordan holmes
I'm loving it.
dan friesen
Because if you were someone who was trying to use influence campaigns, if you were trying to use propaganda to sway public opinion, one of the very obvious targets would be Alex Jones.
He's clearly crazy.
He's hiding something.
jordan holmes
Yeah!
Yes, he is.
dan friesen
His finances are out of control.
He has a lunatic fringe of audience.
Like, it would be someone who you'd obviously want to blackmail.
jordan holmes
A lunatic fringe that we can probably safely say is proportionally more violent than the rest of us.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So, I don't know if any of this will bear out, but that's something that I'm starting to look at and starting to feel, is that he just falls for propaganda really easily.
And we'll see a bit of it over the course of this episode.
But first, let's start in July 14th.
Alex Jones has an interesting ride on July 14th, but he has one big announcement that he starts the show with.
And this is very exciting.
jordan holmes
Oh, no.
dan friesen
Because at the end of this clip, I will explain why this excites the show.
unidentified
You think it'll be obvious?
dan friesen
Oh, yeah.
alex jones
All right, strap yourselves in.
It's going to be a power-packed, loaded transmission today.
And we're going to be going live right into the fourth hour.
Most stations carry just the first three hours.
For years, I did four hours.
And a lot of stations still carry the fourth hour.
That's a re-air of the first hour.
Or some stations carry the second, third, and fourth hour.
It varies.
But I am looking at bringing back, I will announce here on air, Sometime this year, the fourth hour.
But making the fourth hour an intense news broadcast with a fourth hour roundtable discussion where more than 50 news articles will be covered every day.
Boom, boom, boom.
Throw the topic out.
Get a quick comment from the people on the panel.
Take a call.
Go to the next story.
dan friesen
How say you on globalists?
They suck.
Alright, to the phones.
So first of all, he failed.
jordan holmes
Oh, really?
dan friesen
Making a news-heavy roundtable.
jordan holmes
A news-heavy?
Goddammit, Alex.
That's a pipe dream, even for you, sir.
dan friesen
But bringing back the fourth hour means we're this much closer to John Rappaport.
jordan holmes
Oh, that is true.
dan friesen
Yeah, because he is a fourth-hour host.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
He can't exist within the context of three hours, but once the fourth hour comes...
jordan holmes
Is there a possibility that we'll stumble upon an episode where he does try this fourth hour, and that is the beginning of Rapaport?
dan friesen
Well, he does do the fourth hour on this episode on July 14th.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And he has Leanne McAdoo host.
jordan holmes
I mean, when we're talking about the round table, so he does that, he tries that out.
dan friesen
Bro, I don't think he ever does that.
jordan holmes
I mean, but come on!
dan friesen
You can't.
jordan holmes
Just the idea of Alex trying to coexist with three other people allowed to talk at the same time?
No, zero champ.
dan friesen
But I think his premise...
jordan holmes
It would be a beautiful fire.
dan friesen
I think the premise is he's not involved in the fourth hour.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
I think he is saying...
Because he does get into, like, I've been secretly training the anchors, having them on air.
jordan holmes
Why secretly?
Just train them!
That's a good idea!
dan friesen
I've been putting them on air.
They don't know I'm building to something.
David Knight.
Anyway.
jordan holmes
But they should know!
It's their job!
dan friesen
Another thing he talks about is how he's going to launch a TV network, which is important because he's lying about that currently.
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
Two years later, he's still saying, we're about to do this, Roger Stone's going to have a TV show, Mike Cernovich is going to get a show.
jordan holmes
Any moment now.
dan friesen
Yeah, so...
I think there's reasons not to get too freaked out about Alex's stated plans in 2017 of having a TV network.
jordan holmes
I don't think we need to worry too much about that.
dan friesen
Nope.
But if it does happen, we do need to be very worried.
Because...
jordan holmes
I think it would rapidly become the most sued TV network in history.
dan friesen
Yes.
jordan holmes
Now, that worries me just because I don't know if I'm ready to allow my tax dollars to go to that many legal suits.
dan friesen
Do you remember how Spike TV immediately got sued?
Because Spike Lee was like, that's my name.
jordan holmes
I did not remember that.
dan friesen
This will get sued faster.
So, I can't say this enough.
Bring on the Rappaport.
I am excited for that to happen.
Leanne McAdoo hosts the fourth hour in this episode, and she is not ready.
jordan holmes
I think it's just very silly how somehow...
We've developed this weird fascination with John Rappaport to the point where now I'm kind of rooting for him.
I am too, even though he's awful.
He's the worst!
He's a fucking miserable monster who tries to rip fun and joy from everyone and spread this bullshit vaccination lie.
But at the same time, look at you!
dan friesen
Look at you!
jordan holmes
You're a weirdo monster that lives in a cave that can't!
Fucking hang a goddamn painting!
dan friesen
That's part of it.
jordan holmes
How can I not love this man?
dan friesen
That's a big part of it.
The other part is that he looks like a druid.
Yes.
He's a googly-eyed Muppet druid.
Anyway, we'll get to John Rappaport when he shows up.
He hasn't even shown up in an interview up till this point, so I don't even know where he is.
jordan holmes
Where was he found?
unidentified
I don't know, man.
jordan holmes
God, I want an origin story.
dan friesen
The other realms?
jordan holmes
I want an origin story on Jan Rapoport.
dan friesen
So...
jordan holmes
Is he Radagast the Brown, I think, is the greater question.
dan friesen
The Grey.
Wait, that's Gandalf.
jordan holmes
That's Gandalf.
dan friesen
I apologize.
jordan holmes
Radagast was the Brown.
dan friesen
I'm not a big enough nerd.
jordan holmes
I'm sorry!
I'm a big old nerd for the Lords of the Ringus.
dan friesen
So some people have sort of religious feelings about Lord of the Rings.
Would you agree with that?
Some people sort of take it on as a religion.
I'm talking about nerds here.
jordan holmes
I feel like you're leading me towards something, and this is a trap.
dan friesen
This is not a smooth transition.
jordan holmes
This is a terrible transition.
dan friesen
Also, this soda is really good.
jordan holmes
It's delicious.
dan friesen
Alex Jones wants to talk about why he's been getting more religious lately.
And if you think that it's a complete thought, you're wrong.
jordan holmes
This soda is like Galadriel's water.
You know what I'm saying?
dan friesen
Shut up, nerd!
jordan holmes
You know what I'm saying?
Galadriel!
alex jones
People can say before I get into all this news and tell you about the guests that are coming up that...
Why are you getting more and more religious?
Well, it's been said many times, there are no atheists in foxholes.
And when you read about babies wrapped in gold foil being shipped out of China by the thousands every month and being turned into powder for women mainly to eat it, believing it makes them look younger, and nobody seems to care.
When you look at hundreds of millions of abortions every year worldwide, When you look at the globalists poisoning our food and water supply by design and forcing Gardasil shots on young girls all over the planet, when you look at our government funding ISIS and Al-Qaeda, when you look at the borders wide open and El Chapo, now we learn, had his wife move here to have her baby so he'd have an anchor baby.
The billionaire drug dealer even lives off U.S. taxpayers.
I mean, it's a joke.
And so that's why I'm committed to fight as hard as I can.
The British Special Forces slogan for the Special Air Services, the model of Special Forces worldwide, I mean, they were the first to do it, SAS, is fortune favors the bold.
Well, I'm here to tell you, in the face of them coming after our guns, coming after our health, coming after everything, Fortune favors the bold.
What is our fortune?
What made our fortune?
What made the prosperity and the freedom?
Our forebearers didn't back down.
jordan holmes
What is he talking about?
alex jones
They refused to be downtrodden.
It's a very simple slogan.
It's a super simple slogan.
But they persevered to the point we're at, and our ancestors aren't losers.
jordan holmes
How did you get that wrong?
alex jones
Whether you're black, whether you're white, whether you're Hispanic or Asian, all peoples of the earth have incredible histories of incredible adversity and overcoming it.
And that's why we're here today.
The fact that your parents and their grandparents and their great-great-great-great-grandparents were able to have children and have them survive and pass that torch forward.
And the fact that we're alive today as a species and dominant on this planet is because we're winners.
And I'm sick of people telling us we're not winners.
jordan holmes
I don't understand what this is supposed to be about.
alex jones
Consciousness is incredible.
An incredible God made you.
Whether you believe in God or not, look around you.
Reality's fantastic.
Twelve dimensions they've discovered.
Scientists believe there's probably life in other dimensions.
What do you think all this is?
We only see a very narrow spectrum of light.
Just in the light spectrum of this dimension.
The eye has not seen, the ear has not heard what God, the universe, whatever you want to call it, has in store for us.
And we're not going to let the globalists wall off reality, put us in a matrix to control us, dumb us down, and then phase us out like we're a horse and buggy whip in 1920 and the factories are closing because nobody buys buggies and buggy whips and horses anymore.
We are the innovators.
We are the great creation.
We are in the image of the great creator.
We are special.
We are powerful.
And that's why the fallen one on this planet wants to bring us down.
dan friesen
So that's why Alex has been getting more religious.
jordan holmes
I don't know.
Was there actually a reason in there?
dan friesen
The closest it comes is that there's no atheists in foxholes and he thinks the globalists are committing war on us.
jordan holmes
Well, they're causing all the abortions and the Gardasil.
How many people are born every year and how many people die?
dan friesen
Hundreds of billions.
jordan holmes
I don't know.
dan friesen
I don't know statistics on that.
jordan holmes
I don't know.
We're at like 7.5 billion on the planet right now.
So I assume it's like, I don't know, 100 million babies born a year and then like 70 million people dying a year or something like that.
So, if there were hundreds of millions of abortions, that means that if he were to stop abortions, it's entirely possible we would have 12 billion people on this planet next year.
dan friesen
Well, according to the CDC, the Centers for Disease Control, in 2013, 664,435 legal-induced abortions were reported.
So that's in the United States.
So hundreds of millions worldwide, obviously.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that makes sense.
dan friesen
The other stuff is crazy.
The babies covered in gold foil.
jordan holmes
That was my favorite.
I immediately got a Willy Wonka's factory situation going there where babies were on conveyor belts and they were just being rolled up in gold.
dan friesen
There was a guy who got arrested with some babies covered in foil, like mummified babies, that he was trying to transport back to China from the Philippines or something like that.
I don't remember the...
I don't remember the origin country, but the reason he was doing that is because China has a very interesting relationship with fetuses and babies, especially ones that have died.
They have a whole tradition around abortion where if you get an abortion, you're supposed to create a shrine to the baby and worship the fetus ghost.
You're supposed to appease the fetus ghost, bring it food, and stuff like that to help it live in the other worlds.
jordan holmes
That's like a botchling from old Norse mythology.
dan friesen
Right.
I don't know enough to speak on why someone would want to buy some stranger baby.
I have no idea.
But be that as it may, there's more complicated stuff going on there than Alex is really wrestling with.
It's not for people to eat them.
The other stuff is so crazy.
Like, he believes in God, but then he gets into...
jordan holmes
Other dimensions.
dan friesen
There's 12 dimensions.
There's probably things living in them.
jordan holmes
Scientists believe that there are things living in other dimensions.
dan friesen
And then I want to just jump forward to another day's show, because it bears playing here.
In this clip, Alex Jones talks a little bit about what he believes about something specific to Scripture.
jordan holmes
Ooh, that's a bad idea.
He shouldn't really be bringing Scripture up.
dan friesen
I'm not certain he's talking about the same Christianity that most people know.
Here you go.
alex jones
And I don't like suicide, but I understand people do when they're in so much pain.
I don't judge people that commit suicide, and I don't think God does either.
I can't speak for God, but just at my gut level and my spirit, I think if somebody's in excruciating pain or their kids have died in a plane crash and they're distraught and I understand jumping off a cliff, I wouldn't personally do it.
But selling assisted suicide and eugenics and euthanasia as if it's just some choice of somebody who's in great pain is not what's happening.
This is about devaluing human life and having the state remove people.
Like THX 1138 or Logan's Run.
dan friesen
So he's against assisted suicide and stuff like that because he compares it to a movie.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it's like Logan's Run.
dan friesen
Think it's going to be government control of stuff.
jordan holmes
He could also have said The Giver.
They had some government controlled baby killing.
dan friesen
But then at the beginning of it, he's talking about like, I'm cool with suicide and I think God is too.
In my gut level, I say that.
And I mean, if you look at the Bible, there's seven people who've committed suicide clearly in the Bible.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
And six of them are called specifically wicked in the Bible.
Further, Job 1.21 says, A lot of people interpret that to mean that the Lord gives you life and the Lord chooses when your life will end.
The Lord takes away when your life ends.
1 Corinthians 10.13 A lot of people interpret that to be either temptation towards sin or temptation that God will not give you more than you can handle, more than you can bear.
jordan holmes
Yeah, which is clearly bullshit.
If you needed one reason to disbelieve the Bible, that would be definitely the one of them.
dan friesen
Further, one of the commandments is thou shalt not murder.
And strictly speaking, a lot of people believe that suicide is murder.
You're murdering yourself.
It would be against, if God has given you life, you don't have the right to take it away.
That's a pretty consistent theological message, especially of people who have a pretty hard line on the Bible.
jordan holmes
Yeah, and if you're anti-abortion, then the same logic has to apply to killing yourself.
dan friesen
Right, you'd think.
So Alex is in this weird fucking religious space.
Either way, I just wanted to bring that up because I think he's dumb.
jordan holmes
I don't know if you know this or not, but when Alex was growing up, his parents actually read him the Apocrypha.
They didn't have a King James.
They had all the Gnostic Gospels.
dan friesen
He has a Tobit tattoo on his arm.
jordan holmes
Yeah, exactly.
dan friesen
Or is that the pseudepigraphy?
jordan holmes
The Gospel of Mary, the whole thing.
dan friesen
The Gospel of, like, what was it?
Is it Thomas or Judas that was discovered, like, ten years ago?
jordan holmes
Judas.
dan friesen
That one didn't exist back when Alex was a wee boy.
Uh-uh.
Yeah, look, I think if he grew up studying Gnosticism, he would actually be way smarter.
Because he'd have to wrestle with these enigmatic riddles and, you know, what's going on with the Barbalo?
What's going on here?
jordan holmes
Well, he was more a fan of the ones where...
dan friesen
We praise the Pleroma!
jordan holmes
He's more a fan of the ones where Jesus fought dragons and killed other kids for no reason.
You know, the good stuff.
dan friesen
Yeah, yeah.
So, we get back to the 14th here, and something really important happened on the 14th.
Up till this point, Alex has only said that he doesn't trust Trump and that Trump is mobbed up, all these sorts of things.
Very negative things, although he does agree with his rhetoric.
jordan holmes
Loves bigotry, hates the mob.
dan friesen
And does not think it's bigotry.
jordan holmes
Well, yeah, yeah, yeah, but let's move on.
dan friesen
So on this show, he has an interview with TV, I don't know if he's on TV, maybe just a radio host, Larry Elder, who is big into Trump.
And I think Alex is a little bit blindsided by it.
jordan holmes
Oh, really?
dan friesen
I think he's not ready to have this interview.
jordan holmes
Was he not expecting this?
dan friesen
I don't know.
I'm not sure exactly.
I think he wanted just to talk about race shit with a black guy and accidentally got sidetracked into talking to a guy who really supports Trump.
jordan holmes
Oh, okay.
So what he was ostensibly doing is pointing to any...
He's got a globe and he just closes his eyes and points on it and is like, find me a black guy who agrees with me.
dan friesen
Yep.
jordan holmes
And then we'll put him on the show so I don't feel like a horrible racist.
Because I'm totally a horrible racist.
dan friesen
It's possible.
So he starts by having a little conversation about identity politics.
So I think that's largely what he wants to talk about.
alex jones
I think you've really hit the nail on the head there when you talk about they've taken our basic freedoms, they've taken our economic future, they've taken our jobs.
dan friesen
Let's talk about the globalists.
alex jones
And then all they give us is identity politics.
That's why they're now drilling down into saying transgender.
Don't say dad and mom.
Don't say husband and wife.
Don't say boy or girl.
They're doing this with a straight face to just kill any identity that isn't just worshipping the state.
larry elder
And that is why, Alex, Trump is resonating.
And if I were Trump, I'd broaden the argument.
He has not made the argument that illegal aliens pose a threat to job prospects of people living in the inner city.
dan friesen
But he soon will.
So that, I think, is indicative of exactly what this interview is.
Alex wants to talk about the globalists taking away identity.
And shit like that.
Of course, it's mostly influenced by the fact that people are still trying to take down Confederate flags.
And Alex is pissed about that.
jordan holmes
Yes.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Battle flags.
Everybody who fought in the Civil War bows to me and my lineage.
dan friesen
Yes, because of tariffs.
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
And then immediately in answering that question, Larry Elder is like, hey, no, man, I got to tell you, Trump's pretty great.
And Alex is like...
jordan holmes
Why would you expect...
Why does...
Like, why would...
Alex expects any of his guests, with no prep time, apparently, to just buy into the globalists.
Just because you're on InfoWars, you're not buying into the globalists.
dan friesen
Well, one thing I've actually noticed, I'm glad you brought that up.
One thing that Alex does very consistently, if you listen regularly, he cucks out his guests really hard.
jordan holmes
Because of course he does!
dan friesen
Well, the thing that he does, and I've noticed this technique, you heard it a little bit there, he's saying that like...
These people are trying to outlaw boy and girl.
Yeah.
unidentified
You can't say mother and father.
dan friesen
What he does is pretty early in the interview, he'll repeat a false story and get them to sign off on it.
And they will know that it's a false story, but they don't want to challenge his authority on the show.
jordan holmes
Because they also want to get to what they want to say.
dan friesen
They want to use the platform.
And after that point, they are essentially compromised.
Right.
I know that he does that, but also I think that he has a big enough stable of people who are like, wink, wink, on the globalists and stuff like that, so...
I mean...
jordan holmes
Yay, globalists, whatever, but did you hear about this Trump guy?
dan friesen
I'm positive this isn't the first time Larry Elder's been on, it's just that we've not had him on an episode before.
jordan holmes
Naturally.
dan friesen
So I'm sure they have a pre-existing relationship wherein they both know that each other yells about globalists.
jordan holmes
The GOP's trying to outlaw pre-existing relationships.
dan friesen
It's true.
jordan holmes
That's true.
dan friesen
So the interview goes on a little bit, and Alex expresses that he still doesn't really trust Trump.
alex jones
Larry, I want to get into the Donald Trump phenomenon because the mainstream media wouldn't be saying his name thousands of times a day and misrepresenting what he's saying if they didn't have a plan.
I think it is to distract from the other Republican candidates thinking that Trump isn't serious is going to drop out later.
That's just what my gut's saying.
But regardless, he's saying things that are true.
jordan holmes
Oh, what a beautiful world that would have been.
alex jones
So he has to be defended.
dan friesen
So that's where he's at.
He's even in the middle of this interview with the pro-Trump Larry Elder.
He's still saying, I don't trust Trump.
jordan holmes
Of course not.
But what he is saying is true, so he has to be defended.
dan friesen
He must be defended.
jordan holmes
Which, great.
That's the logic of a lunatic.
dan friesen
And now Larry Elder steps in it.
larry elder
Well, I disagree.
I think Donald Trump has been defending himself just fine by not apologizing, by not backing down the way Republicans normally do.
Recall when Todd Akin said legitimate rape, all he was saying is some women, in fact, lie about rape.
Not very many do, but about 10% apparently do.
All of a sudden, rents, tweets have jumped on him, and Todd Akin got destroyed in the election.
Donald Trump has not backed down.
He's not afraid of being called a bigot.
jordan holmes
Words have meaning!
Words have to mean things!
dan friesen
Not in globalist land.
jordan holmes
We have a word that means a thing, and then the word means a thing.
dan friesen
So, Todd Akin's quote was, in cases of legitimate rape, the body has a way of shutting that down.
Right.
jordan holmes
Insanity.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
And then the second part.
dan friesen
That was about abortion.
jordan holmes
One, just putting legitimate rape, legitimate in front of rape has nothing to do with whether or not somebody lies about rape.
dan friesen
No.
jordan holmes
That was entirely about all of the, like, well, legitimate rape is you have to be beaten up.
dan friesen
There needs to be a knife.
jordan holmes
You can't be coerced.
You can't be pressured on it.
You can't give in.
You can't be forced to do it.
So to a certain point where you're like, well, I guess this is my fault now.
That is all rape.
It is not illegitimate rape.
That's not a thing.
Then the second part.
The second part is...
Magic.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
He said, in cases of legitimate rape, magic is real.
That's what he really said.
dan friesen
The body has a way of shutting that down.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
What?
dan friesen
Yeah.
So, Larry Elder's argument is that Todd Akin fucked up by apologizing.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And Trump isn't making that problem.
He's not apologizing.
He's not stepping into the same trap that Todd Akin stepped into.
jordan holmes
And Todd Akin probably would have done better if he hadn't apologized.
I think that's what we've really learned, is that, again...
Dog whistling is for losers.
Just out and out bigotry, that's the rule of the law.
dan friesen
Apparently it flies.
jordan holmes
Yeah, exactly.
dan friesen
And it turns out that, like, I mean, we said it even on, like, when it happened earlier, like, early episodes of the show, Trump should not have fired Flynn.
jordan holmes
Uh-uh.
dan friesen
All of this probably wouldn't be happening if he just put his dick on the table and was like, no.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
I don't care.
jordan holmes
Because it seems like, because the GOP wouldn't have done anything.
dan friesen
No, not a chance.
jordan holmes
God damn it.
Imagine, how...
Because that's also the last time that he's really listened to anybody there either.
dan friesen
It seems like it.
jordan holmes
Yeah, like, everybody was like, hey, you gotta get rid of Flynn, this is a bad idea, we're getting a lot of bad press.
And it's non-stop from there, and now, anytime they're like, hey, Trump, don't do this, he's like, I am, uh, dementia, and then yells.
Exactly the opposite.
dan friesen
Like the time you told me to get rid of Flynnie, baby?
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
That didn't work.
jordan holmes
You think you're so smart?
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Oh, you think this travel ban shouldn't be called a travel ban because then we'll win in court?
No, travel ban!
Do you know what it is?
unidentified
It's the exact same thing I said it was on the campaign.
dan friesen
It's the exact same thing that every court has said is illegal.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
So this interview goes on a little bit longer, and Larry Elder, even though he supports Trump in this next clip, admits, That Trump probably is just out for publicity.
alex jones
Well, I mean, I would certainly rather Donald Trump than a Hillary Clinton in there.
But in your gut, and I really respect your opinion on this, you don't think he's some type of ringer just getting political attention for his overall empire?
larry elder
Oh, I think it's all of the above.
I think that Donald Trump feels the worst thing that will happen is his name recognition will be even higher, and maybe he'll make even more money.
But I don't think he anticipated the fallout.
I don't think he anticipated that ESPN and NASCAR and Univision and NBC would dump him, and other people are also thinking about dumping him.
He may even lose clients in his condos.
Who knows?
But I think overall what Donald Trump feels is the worst that will happen is my brand will be even bigger, but maybe I'll make some noise.
Maybe I'll make something happen.
And let's not discount the possibility that he's sincere.
He thinks the country's going to hell in a handbasket.
He thinks our foreign policy is weak.
He thinks our deals with various other countries are weak, and he thinks the country is going down, and he thinks he, as a business person, can do something about it.
I applaud the idea of him going off the grid for this time and spending his time and his energy and his money trying to make the country better as opposed to making more money.
Why aren't people applauding that?
alex jones
I guess I have to say I applaud him because he is getting persecuted now and he's not backing down.
Not going to do the Miss America thing.
He's going to focus on the campaign.
Again, though, Larry, doesn't this show the other Republicans what they should have been doing the whole time?
larry elder
It most certainly does.
The other Republicans are wusses, and that's one of the things that pisses people off.
jordan holmes
That's the first thing I wholeheartedly agree with him on.
dan friesen
Yeah, that's fair.
jordan holmes
Clearly, with Trump in office and the other Republicans hating it and still not doing anything, they're a giant...
Group of wusses.
dan friesen
Well, you see, Larry Elder is affecting Alex, and he's softening his perspective.
Absolutely.
Even though the conversation they're having is about how he's probably fucking around for publicity.
To the point where Larry Elder even says, let's not discount the possibility he's serious.
jordan holmes
Hey, let's not throw that away.
dan friesen
I know it's an outside chance, but let's maybe be serious.
And Alex is like, yeah, we got to applaud it because he's putting his business things on the line, not realizing that he stands to gain so much from abusing the presidency.
jordan holmes
Oh, man.
And he sure does.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
To the point where all of the, like, they are right about everything being a publicity stunt and an idea to make more money.
It just so happened that he got the presidency, so he's using it to generate more publicity and make more money.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
He's even got the Department of Justice arguing that he should be allowed to take money from whoever he wants.
dan friesen
Yep.
jordan holmes
The Department of Justice in the United States is actively arguing, you know that Constitution?
unidentified
Mm-mm.
jordan holmes
Not a fan.
unidentified
Boo!
jordan holmes
Fake news!
dan friesen
While we're on this little Trump thing, I loved that moment from his press conference at the end of last week where he's with the Romanian president.
And they're talking about waivers, like visa waivers for Romanians.
And he's like, we didn't talk about it.
And the Romanian president's like, I brought it up.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Just like, what the fuck are we doing?
You just watch that clip alone.
Like, ooh, no.
jordan holmes
Not good.
dan friesen
Take everything else away.
That's bad.
jordan holmes
That's very bad.
dan friesen
Yeah.
It's not good to trust a foreign leader I have no idea what he's up to.
Although my brother was born in Bucharest, so I have some relation to Romania.
jordan holmes
There you go.
dan friesen
Spent a tiny bit of time there as a young boy, and I remember it being miserable.
But that was also back in the...
jordan holmes
Well, that's why you gotta get waivers for your visas.
dan friesen
It was in the late 80s, though, so I mean, that whole area is doing a lot better than back then, necessarily.
Anyway, Larry Elder's not quite done.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
He's gotta be involved in two more clips that are pretty offensive.
One is about Charleston, and then the other one's just about race.
This one is wild.
unidentified
No!
alex jones
I mean, isn't that the answer?
That he pulls that gun out, and somebody pulls a gun out and blows him away, and maybe only two people would have been dead?
Kim?
And maybe the first person he shot?
I mean, isn't that the answer?
Isn't it gun-free zones and an anti-gun culture really what ended up killing these people?
jordan holmes
Why is two casualties your baseline?
dan friesen
I don't know.
jordan holmes
Oh, I would rather have two people dead than no people dead.
Maybe if he didn't have a fucking gun, he wouldn't have been able to kill those people.
dan friesen
It's possible, but then you get into the argument he could have had a knife, you know, blah, blah, blah.
That stupid argument.
jordan holmes
It's a dumb argument.
dan friesen
But what's dumber is the idea that, like, okay, someone there, it's their fault because they didn't have a gun.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And further, it's society's fault for disarming churches.
And it's, you know, it's the anti-gun agenda's fault that these people died, not the person, not the white supremacist who actually did it.
No.
jordan holmes
It's the anti-gun agenda.
dan friesen
Keep that in mind, because there's an interesting juxtaposition.
jordan holmes
Every time somebody gets shot by a gun, it's because of the anti-gun agenda.
dan friesen
Not the white supremacist who's doing it.
jordan holmes
Uh-uh.
Uh-uh.
dan friesen
But keep that in mind, because the Charleston shooting happened two weeks before this, but there's a shooting in Chattanooga that happens a couple days after where we're at in the timeline now, and Alex treats it very differently.
jordan holmes
You know, I said that jokingly.
And then I realize that's exactly what they believe.
Every time somebody gets shot, it's because we say you shouldn't have guns.
dan friesen
Yep.
jordan holmes
That's genuinely their position.
unidentified
That's...
jordan holmes
How do we lose to these people, Dan?
dan friesen
I don't know.
jordan holmes
These are the dumbest fucking people.
dan friesen
Speaking of dumb...
jordan holmes
It's unbelievable.
dan friesen
Speaking of dumb, listen to this clip.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
Alex has some weird fucking thoughts about who's to blame for racism.
jordan holmes
Oh, no.
alex jones
Well, it's really sad because up until Obama got elected, I saw a lot of racial harmony, people coming together.
It was just really refreshing, and now I've never seen it so energized in my whole life, not growing up in the early 70s and stuff, in the 80s.
And it's just so cold-blooded.
jordan holmes
Maybe because you didn't see it.
dan friesen
Yeah, maybe you're blind.
jordan holmes
Maybe because you didn't have to deal with it.
Maybe, white people, one of the big reasons you don't understand racism is because it's not a thing you deal with.
dan friesen
It's not germane to your immediate experience.
jordan holmes
Yeah, so of course you think racism isn't a problem because it's not a problem for you.
dan friesen
You have to...
You know, really expand your mind and try and relate to other people's experiences to understand just how insidious it is.
jordan holmes
You don't even have to really expand your mind.
You have to just look at a person and be like, hey, what did you experience?
And they tell you a thing and you're like, oh, that's probably true.
I should respect your experience instead of telling you what your life experience is, is wrong!
dan friesen
No, because you tell me your life experience and my response is, oh man, it sucks the globalists are doing that to you.
jordan holmes
It is.
It does suck the globalists.
Globalists are doing that to me.
dan friesen
Sucks, man.
So that's it for the 14th.
We see just a little bit of softening in Alex's position towards Trump.
And we move on to the 15th, which we're not going to cover because David Knight hosted.
But something important to remember is July 15th, 2015 was when Jade Helm 15 kicked off.
The old Jade Helm.
jordan holmes
Oh, the one that he said was real and then later told us was not real.
dan friesen
We don't really know if he said it was real per se.
We don't have audio evidence of that, so let's not make that claim.
jordan holmes
Fine.
Disappointing.
dan friesen
We have good reason to believe he did, but we can't prove it.
jordan holmes
If we can't prove it, then we can't.
dan friesen
But.
jordan holmes
Then I will retract that statement.
dan friesen
But.
We will see where his head is at a little bit later.
jordan holmes
Of course we will.
dan friesen
On the episode of July 16th, when Alex is back in studio.
jordan holmes
Of course.
dan friesen
So Alex starts off the July 16th episode with a little bit of a tease that should scare everyone.
alex jones
I've really spent some time watching Donald Trump's speeches and his interviews.
And coming up at the bottom of the hour, I'll give you my take on Donald Trump.
Done some soul-searching on the subject, and I'll give you my take on whether I think he's a shell or not.
jordan holmes
Spoiler alert.
He still thinks he's a shell?
dan friesen
We'll see.
jordan holmes
Damn you!
dan friesen
Comes a little later in the episode.
jordan holmes
I was waiting for you to tell me!
dan friesen
So, on this episode, Alex Jones has...
He's all over the goddamn place on the 16th.
It is a massive clusterfuck of weird narratives, strange things he says.
But one of them is Mark Dice has a new video.
We're not going to listen to it.
Don't worry.
jordan holmes
Okay, thank you.
dan friesen
It's all the same shit.
jordan holmes
Thank you so much.
dan friesen
It's the exact same setup.
It's just him talking to people on a beach with a clipboard.
jordan holmes
Getting owned.
dan friesen
Yeah, basically.
Yeah.
unidentified
This one is about how Mount Rushmore is racist.
jordan holmes
I actually agree with that very much.
dan friesen
Not entirely.
I mean like Roosevelt's up there.
jordan holmes
No, I mean that they took...
American native lands.
dan friesen
Oh yeah, that part.
jordan holmes
And used it to build giant monuments to the very people who stole those American native lands.
dan friesen
You know what?
Mark Dice doesn't wrestle with that.
jordan holmes
I strangely feel like I should have known.
dan friesen
So, Mark Dice has gone out and done this video, and I wanted to play this clip just because it indicates, again, this insidious cycle that Alex Jones perpetuates, wherein he has one of his reporters go out, create some video that doesn't say what he pretends it says, Drudge links to it, Or it gets a link up somewhere, and then Alex Jones repeats it as news.
He's going to say that there's a headline, and the headline is that people are calling for the destruction of Mount Rushmore, which isn't happening.
It's entirely based on Mark Dice's video.
At the end of this clip...
It's very short, but he says that this is news up top, and then at the end, he says he told Mark Dice to go make this video.
So it's just a closed loop.
It's a completely nonsensical...
jordan holmes
Well, that's how Fox News operated almost from the very beginning.
Their trick was always to have their news people say a basic story.
Then their opinion people would be like...
This is what is really happening.
And then the next day the news would keep it in the cycle by saying...
People are saying that what is happening is...
dan friesen
Our commentators are saying.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
But it's people.
It's just people are saying.
We're reporting on what people are saying.
We're not verifying it or supporting it.
It just so happens that the people that said it are on our network and we have a vested interest in making sure that you have their thoughts in your mind all the fucking time.
But people are saying it.
We're reporting on it.
dan friesen
So here's our reporting on what Alex Jones does.
alex jones
A new video.
Obama supporters advocate tearing down racist...
Mount Rushmore.
We told you that was coming.
jordan holmes
Is it?
alex jones
In fact, I said a few weeks ago, reporters, go out and call for tearing down Mount Rushmore.
Well, Mark Dice has done it.
dan friesen
Wait, what?
Yeah.
That's basically him saying, hey, go stage this thing.
jordan holmes
Go out and try and get us evidence for whatever narrative we want to support.
dan friesen
And then my prediction will have come true.
jordan holmes
I love that version of reporting.
dan friesen
Yeah, it's not.
It's quite literally fake news.
jordan holmes
Yeah, exactly.
dan friesen
But when he says, I told you this is coming, he's not saying, I told you this video was going to be released.
unidentified
No.
dan friesen
That's not the context he's saying.
He's saying that in much the same way he predicted that people would be calling for the American flag to be banned.
jordan holmes
Of course.
dan friesen
Based on a Mark Dice video.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
All of these things are things like I made these predictions and then I told my reporters to somehow justify my stupid fucking prediction.
jordan holmes
That's why he's 100% right all the time.
dan friesen
All the time.
jordan holmes
All the time.
dan friesen
You know what?
He's not just right.
jordan holmes
You can predict everything so long as you make it happen.
dan friesen
So he's not just right all the time.
He's wrong all the time.
jordan holmes
Oh!
dan friesen
Now, this is going to get bad.
jordan holmes
It's going to get Mark Dicey?
dan friesen
Something else happened in July of 2015 that is really funny conceptually but isn't funny at all.
And that is that the Center for Medical Progress went and made all those behind-the-scenes videos about Planned Parenthood people selling baby parts.
That's right.
jordan holmes
The ones they're in jail for now, right?
dan friesen
They're not in jail yet, but they've been charged with 15 felonies.
jordan holmes
Good.
dan friesen
I believe the sentencing is still to come and what have you.
jordan holmes
Oh, I hope it's so much jail.
dan friesen
They're in big trouble.
jordan holmes
I want a lot of jail.
dan friesen
They're in big trouble for this, and I'll explain exactly why on the other end of it, but I want to really point out, Alex Jones fucking buys it.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
He is so into it.
He talks about it a little bit here.
And then the entire show a couple days later is all about it.
jordan holmes
Well, it was an entire news cycle.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
All made up.
And that was all you heard.
That narrative being pushed to the point where now, just like Obama's a secret Muslim, the GOP still believes it.
They still believe that Planned Parenthood sells baby parts.
dan friesen
Yep.
Okay, I'll just explain it now.
jordan holmes
Even though the people who disseminated those videos are going to jail, they're still like, ah, no, that was true.
They're just being prosecuted because of the powers that be or whatever fucking nonsense they want to lie about.
dan friesen
So the guy who's behind the Center for Medical Progress is a guy named David Daydalen.
Or Dale Dean.
Dale Den?
Who cares?
jordan holmes
I'm good.
dan friesen
His organization set up a fake...
jordan holmes
Jail Den.
You know what I'm saying?
dan friesen
His organization...
unidentified
Get it?
dan friesen
I got it.
They set up a fake biomedical research company called Biomax Procurement Services.
Under this guise, they posed as potential buyers of aborted fetal tissue and organs and secretly recorded Planned Parenthood officials during meetings.
The Center for Medical Progress released edited versions of these videos, which it promoted as showing Planned Parenthood officials price haggling over baby parts.
When the full, unedited videos became available, they instead showed a Planned Parenthood executive repeatedly saying its clients want to cover their costs, not make money when donating fetal tissue from abortions to scientific research.
According to the lawyer for Planned Parenthood, Roger K. Evans, Biomax proposed sham procurement contracts offering $1,600 for liver and thymus fetal tissues.
I went back and I watched all of these videos.
They are shamelessly edited.
To the point where anyone who doesn't have an agenda that this supports would be like, come the fuck on.
It's so crazy.
And Alex is so into it.
I can't wait until we get to the 20th.
Because that's when he really tees off on it.
jordan holmes
So you can't wait so we can tee off on him, essentially.
dan friesen
Also, the other thing that's important to point out is...
You know, these guys...
Let me get these specifics here.
So they are...
On March 28th, 2017, this Dale Den and his cohort were charged with 15 felonies in the state of California.
One for each of the people who they had filmed without consent, because they did not get consent.
jordan holmes
Oh, really?
Those hidden videos where they didn't get consent and edited heavily, making it seem like they were committing a crime?
dan friesen
Yep.
And one for criminal conspiracy to invade privacy.
Now...
The thing that is really important to note is that...
This is funny.
jordan holmes
Okay, good.
Now we're awesome.
Now I'm free and clear.
dan friesen
Everyone investigated their claims.
The Senate, the House, all these state governors, everyone investigated it.
And everyone cleared Planned Parenthood.
Everyone did investigations.
jordan holmes
You know who didn't clear Planned Parenthood?
dan friesen
The Center for Medical Progress?
jordan holmes
No, the fucking everybody.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Everybody who listened to it.
dan friesen
But this one's particularly funny.
On July 30th, 2015, Indiana Governor Mike Pence announced that the state's investigation did not find any evidence of wrongdoing in Planned Parenthood's handling of fetal tissue.
jordan holmes
If Mike Pence had to say that out loud, I bet his babies died.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So, I mean, it's just, it's insane.
The number of investigations that were opened into it, there were like select committees.
Jason Chaffetz, the chairman of the United States House Committee on Oversight and Governmental Reform.
jordan holmes
Oh, that giant pussy.
dan friesen
On October 8, 2015, he stated that a GOP investigation found no evidence of wrongdoing by Planned Parenthood.
Even people who are, like, stranchely against Planned Parenthood are all like, fuck, there's nothing here.
jordan holmes
And who did...
Everything possible within that investigation to try and prove it so hard.
That was investigated so thoroughly for even the slight...
Because if there was even a slight bit, they would have been like, well, the entirety of the claim wasn't proven, but we did catch them on this.
The Al Capone...
A racketeering charge of Planned Parenthood, and they couldn't find fuck all.
dan friesen
So the exception is that there was a select committee in the United States House.
The committee on energy and commerce select investigation panel on Planned Parenthood was formed to further investigate Planned Parenthood with Congress.
She sucks.
which was a business that did research and got tissue from Planned Parenthood.
In contempt of Congress for failure to comply with a subpoena, the six Democratic members on the panel walked out of the meeting in protest before the vote.
The committee's final report recommended that, quote, the National Institutes of Health be required to stop funding fetal tissue research and that the huge health provider Planned Parenthood be stripped of U.S. funding.
According to the publication Science, the report contained multiple inaccuracies.
Democratic members of the panel, who had not been permitted to read, respond to, or vote on the final report, released an alternate report in which they criticized the committee for relying on McCarthy-era tactics and of relying on unsourced, unverified documents in writing of the report.
So, that's sort of some of the aftermath of this.
unidentified
How is this...
jordan holmes
Like, I get that you...
Don't you like not being disease-ridden?
dan friesen
It's nice.
jordan holmes
Dan, are you a big fan of that?
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
Do you want to continue not being disease-ridden?
Right?
Now, you know, new diseases can happen.
dan friesen
It's true.
jordan holmes
Like, they can happen at any time.
dan friesen
Yeah, they can evolve.
jordan holmes
Or, you know, like, there might be genetic issues.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
Don't you want to research this?
unidentified
No.
jordan holmes
Don't you want to learn more about it?
Not just because, you know, you're fine now, but because maybe in the future there will be information that you want to have.
dan friesen
You're talking voodoo, my man.
jordan holmes
Information that you can protect yourself with.
dan friesen
You don't play God.
jordan holmes
Don't you want to research on things that are already dead?
dan friesen
Don't play God.
unidentified
You can't...
jordan holmes
You can't...
You can't praise a spirit and keep yourself from getting sick.
unidentified
Why?
jordan holmes
Can we just not give them science?
dan friesen
They don't get it.
You know what the other thing?
jordan holmes
You know what?
Eight-member panel, you don't get any science from now on.
dan friesen
It's a 14-member panel.
Six of them walked out.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah.
All eight of you, you get your phones, gone.
TVs, gone.
You know what?
We didn't land on the moon because you're not allowed to believe that.
dan friesen
The true comedy of it, too, is in this video, there are people who, like, this guy is giving these high prices that they're going to pay for fetal tissue and stuff like that.
And pretty much across the board, people are like, that's higher than we pay.
Like, they're haggling.
But it's the reverse of what you would expect in haggling.
The person's coming too high because they're trying to make it look like there's a tissue scam going on.
unidentified
Right, right, right, right.
jordan holmes
They're trying to make money off of it.
dan friesen
Right, when in reality it is like $50 for samples to credentialed and certified research centers.
jordan holmes
Of course.
dan friesen
It's fucking so stupid.
jordan holmes
Because Planned Parenthood is so hated.
By the GOP for doing awful things like providing women and men and children with coverage and help and health.
You know, that kind of a thing.
Making sure that we don't get not disease ridden.
Right.
They hate them for that.
So Planned Parenthood is always under investigation.
It is always being scrutinized.
So, of course, if you go and try and catch them do something, they have safeguard under safeguard under safeguard.
Like, we will show not even the slightest bit.
We will give them no evidence so that even though when they close down those clinics, at the end of the day, we will have been within perfect understanding and compliance with the law.
dan friesen
Yep.
Well, the other thing is that...
jordan holmes
Because if they aren't...
It's gone for good.
dan friesen
Totally.
jordan holmes
Every single one of them.
dan friesen
I agree.
The other thing is that, like, this is so indicative of what I talk about with propaganda and truth.
Like, this still people believe.
It's utter horseshit and still people believe.
The damage is done.
You can explain away that, like, no, these people are manipulatively editing videos to say things they don't say.
These people have all been investigated by legitimate boards and cleared of any wrongdoing.
jordan holmes
And the people who made the videos are going to jail for it.
dan friesen
Most likely.
Or at least being fucking sued real hard.
jordan holmes
Oh, yeah.
dan friesen
It doesn't matter.
The propaganda is too effective.
Now, let's get to the clips of Alex.
He has a couple clips about this on this episode on the 16th.
And one of the things that's really important to remember is all the people in the videos are women.
jordan holmes
So we're going to treat them with a lot of respect.
dan friesen
And dignity.
jordan holmes
I'm sure that there will be zero comments on their appearance.
dan friesen
No, there are, but I'm not sure if I kept any of those in.
Because I actually think that there's something even more important that goes on.
And that is that Alex Jones is clearly using coded language to evoke classism.
There is, like, I'll play these clips.
You'll know what I'm talking about.
It's very overt.
He does this a lot, but it's almost never this clear.
It's fascinating to me.
alex jones
Another important article, Stone Cold Proof That America Deserves Judgment.
And that's the breakdown of Planned Parenthood's director.
One of their major directors of an entire national program.
Senior Director of Medical Services for the Federation of America Planned Parenthood.
Just talking about selling body parts and how they're trying to get around it to make more money.
dan friesen
That's not what they're doing.
alex jones
Sitting there drinking wine at an expensive restaurant.
Fine dining.
Again, this is a picture or a video that tells a million words.
Of literally stuffing, paying for expensive wine and Italian food at an upscale restaurant with a paycheck from baby's body parts.
dan friesen
They don't get their paychecks from baby's body parts, but also, did you see how he kept saying...
jordan holmes
Those fat cats.
dan friesen
The fine bottles of wine.
The upscale dining.
jordan holmes
They are getting rich off of the tragedy of abortion.
dan friesen
Totally.
jordan holmes
They're convincing...
They're convincing, susceptible young women.
And you know that's who we're really afraid of.
We're afraid that you're going to corrupt our young women.
We can't have you do that.
Next thing you know, they'll be sleeping with black men.
dan friesen
They're too dumb to know any better.
But anyway, this thread runs throughout his entire coverage of this video.
It's so dog-whistly in terms of class.
jordan holmes
Which is frustrating because we have such a huge issue with class.
A huge issue with class to the point where, of course, it is resonant.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
It should resonate.
We should be...
dan friesen
But it's manipulative in this case.
jordan holmes
I want to eat the aborted tissue of the billionaire I ate.
Is that how that works?
dan friesen
I'm not sure.
jordan holmes
I don't know what my science was on that one.
But billionaires are fucking us over all the time.
dan friesen
If you did do that, you wouldn't be able to afford a nice bottle of wine, a fine bottle of wine.
jordan holmes
Oh, well, I would age the billionaire appropriately.
dan friesen
He makes so many assumptions about...
jordan holmes
Turn him into hardtack.
dan friesen
They show this...
The video that he's talking about is a video where a lady is eating a salad.
I don't know if it's a classy establishment.
You really can't tell from the video.
And she is drinking a glass of wine.
jordan holmes
She's eating a salad?
Fucking bougie bullshit.
dan friesen
You don't know if this glass of wine is $7.
You have no fucking idea how much this costs.
That's not in the videos that he's...
Going over.
jordan holmes
If it's not from a box, it's too rich for my blood.
dan friesen
I go, Carlo Rossi.
Pirate jug.
So here's him being more classism.
More classism about the Planned Parenthood videos.
alex jones
We played the video the last two days.
Maybe I should play it again.
And she smacks her lips and enjoys it and clearly gets off on talking about baby parts while she's slurping fine red wine.
dan friesen
But also, that's not indicative of the video at all.
There's no one getting off.
There's no one enjoying the idea of aborted babies at all.
It's just dealing with it as like, oh, there is a research use for this, this tissue that would be being thrown away, that is completely legal for them to, first of all, take.
They have to get waivers from everybody, everybody who gets an abortion.
There's consent forms that they have to have filled out.
And some people don't sign those.
jordan holmes
And there are three-day waiting periods, and there are all this shit.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
Longer than you have to wait to get a gun.
dan friesen
Right.
Well, it's because...
jordan holmes
You can actually get same-day abortions at an abortion show.
dan friesen
Oh, that's true.
jordan holmes
There's a loophole in that law.
dan friesen
You can also get a Nazi abortion.
Free speech.
So there's two more clips, not of this, but there's two clips that are kind of fun, and then we'll get into Alex's big reveal about his soul-searching about Trump that's gonna come.
Like I said, this episode is really all over the place, the 16th.
He is in a strange headspace because this video is fucking him up, and he knows that I gotta work on this, but then he's also got a couple, he has an interview he's gotta do later in the show, and then he gets a fucking huge curveball thrown at him, like right at the end.
He's untethered.
He's all over the place.
jordan holmes
What's interesting to me is now that he mentions that, human sexuality being as diverse as it is, somebody does get off on the idea of fetal tissue, right?
dan friesen
Probably one of the Satanists who yells at him at an abortion rally.
jordan holmes
Anything we know about the most zealous anti-gay GOP-ers, generally they're the ones we find with Rent Boys.
I'm guessing, especially with all of our weird, perverted sexual fantasies that Alex has thrown in there and has been like, this is awful!
And then he's like...
unidentified
Just this young little girl just getting touched.
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Like that tone of voice.
dan friesen
Yeah, he does do that a lot.
jordan holmes
Oh, he jerks off to those videos.
dan friesen
It's possible.
jordan holmes
Oh, yeah.
dan friesen
I'm not going to make that claim.
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
dan friesen
But I am going to make the claim very strongly that when Alex Jones is untethered, when he has no bearing, what ends up happening is often he ends up bragging.
jordan holmes
Yes, that's true.
dan friesen
This next clip...
jordan holmes
He jerks his own dick.
dan friesen
This is a fucking weird brag.
alex jones
No, they hate me!
They're a group of crooks, stealing our freedom, running every scam you can imagine, selling off our infrastructure for pennies on the dollar.
I know their game plan.
I know their fraud.
I'm straight shooting.
They can't stand it.
And they are now assassinating me big time.
My name, who I am, ahead, because they've got actuaries.
They've got demographics.
They've got...
jordan holmes
You don't know what an accident is.
alex jones
They know we've hit the mega zeitgeist.
I mean, it is exponential.
When I told the story last week about how I took my kids down to the hike and bike trail where there's a big, luscious creek, Barton Creek, on the city-owned Greenbelt.
dan friesen
Keep in mind, he just said, I told this story before.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
He's going to tell it again.
jordan holmes
No, well, I mean...
dan friesen
This bear is telling twice.
jordan holmes
He's got to fill time, man.
This is my favorite, Alex.
alex jones
Just giant city parks, basically.
40,000 acres of them, to be precise.
And there were like 30-something people standing around at the waterfall there in the creek.
jordan holmes
I got killed by my neighbor's owl.
alex jones
All of them were pointing at me saying, that's Alex Jones.
All of them.
dan friesen
Yeah, of course.
alex jones
And about 10 or 15 of them came over.
Five years ago, maybe 10 of them would be staring at me, and five would come over.
I walked out of a restaurant a few nights ago and was walking to get an Uber maybe 200 yards, and every group of people that walked past me downtown, every group said, that's Alex Jones.
jordan holmes
Paranormal.
alex jones
Now, I don't know how we're reaching this many people.
We don't see the numbers on the website.
unidentified
We see huge numbers, but nothing like this.
alex jones
This show is loved all over the world now.
Governments listen to it because I'm just a straight shooter.
And we have a very accurate history.
And I can't believe I'm still alive.
Please pray for us.
But they are assassinating us right now.
dan friesen
Very accurate history on the same show he pitches this fraudulent Planned Parenthood narrative.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
It's insane.
jordan holmes
Very accurate history.
dan friesen
Also, ooh, you're getting in a bougie Uber.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Ooh.
So, I mean, like...
jordan holmes
You're exploiting the underclass!
dan friesen
Well, but, I mean, if he wants to play the game of, like, ooh, this fancy bottle of wine, ooh, you're paying a poor person to drive you around!
jordan holmes
Yeah, exactly.
dan friesen
Fuck you, Alex.
But, like, I love it, because you can read between the lines what he's experiencing.
He's saying that, like, everyone's pointing at me and saying, that's Alex Jones, which I believe is probably happening.
jordan holmes
Possibly happening.
dan friesen
Then he's like, we're not seeing these kind of numbers on the website, because of course you're not.
People are aware of you at this point because of memes.
People are making fun of him.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And so when everyone's like, oh, fuck, it's Alex Jones.
jordan holmes
Yeah, exactly.
dan friesen
That's how they're saying it.
It's not like, oh my god, there's the truth teller.
jordan holmes
He thinks he's in a hard day's night now.
That's what he thinks is going on.
He's walking down the street and young, nubile women are screaming his name.
dan friesen
No, fuck that.
I think he thinks it's like John the Baptist.
Or something like that.
jordan holmes
Oh, okay.
We're going even more delusional.
dan friesen
Yeah.
I think he thinks people are seeing him walk around, I don't know, Jerusalem or whatever.
I don't remember exactly where John the Baptist was.
jordan holmes
Wherever the fuck he was.
Who cares?
dan friesen
Judea.
unidentified
I don't know.
dan friesen
Anyway, he's walking around.
John the Baptist was like, oh my God, it's the baptizer.
It's the one who prophesied the coming of Christ.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
That's what he thinks.
He thinks people are like, oh my God, it's the guy who tells everyone the truth about the globalists.
jordan holmes
Oh, man.
God.
dan friesen
Crazy.
jordan holmes
What a crazy world.
dan friesen
Yeah, but he actually gets to, a little bit later, explain why there's such a disconnect between his version of reality and everyone else's, which I'll play for you and I'll see if you buy into it.
I don't know, maybe you will.
jordan holmes
I bet I do.
dan friesen
I don't know, it's a pretty...
jordan holmes
I bet it's actually 100% accurate.
dan friesen
It's very sensible.
jordan holmes
I'm gonna guess this.
alex jones
The reality of the globalist assault is so overwhelming, so mega-massive evil, so completely...
Given over to death that the average person can't even basically see it because it's so alien to their nature, to their fundamental nature of being good people.
dan friesen
So you can't see the globalists because they're too evil.
That's his explanation.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
That's really dumb.
jordan holmes
No, that makes perfect sense.
dan friesen
I can conceive of a lot of fucking evil shit.
I can imagine terrible plans.
jordan holmes
But you are awake, Dan.
You listen to InfoWars.
dan friesen
That's true.
jordan holmes
See?
This is the problem.
Me?
I can't conceive of the globalists.
I think it's insane.
I think it's too crazy.
It's too far beyond me because I am a generally...
I'm a good person.
I'm honest.
I'm a straight shooter.
Governments listen to me.
dan friesen
This is as good a time as any for me to reveal that I've started reading the books that Alex talks about that are the foundational pieces of his cosmology.
I've already read None Dare Call It a Conspiracy, and it's fucking stupid.
It's absolute, utter garbage and complete misunderstanding.
jordan holmes
Is it a fun read, though?
dan friesen
Nope.
It's not even that great.
jordan holmes
Very dry?
dan friesen
Yeah.
He also talks about Zbigniew.
Brzezinski a lot, and I've read most of The Great Chess Board in the past.
jordan holmes
Was he like the Secretary of State for Carter?
dan friesen
Maybe.
jordan holmes
I want to say, yeah, it was Carter.
Well, one, only Carter would pick a non...
White male American name.
dan friesen
He's white?
jordan holmes
No, I know, but his name is Zabigniew.
dan friesen
Yeah, that's true.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
So, I've read part of...
jordan holmes
Yeah, Reagan's picking Paul or Derek.
Reagan's not picking Zabigniew.
dan friesen
Zabigniew Brzezinski!
I've read parts of The Great Chessboard, and I'll get to reading all of it eventually, but Alex has complained a lot about the book The Technotronic Era, and it's interesting, because it's not at all what he talks about.
jordan holmes
It's about the band?
dan friesen
Yep.
jordan holmes
Oh, okay.
dan friesen
It's about the polyphonic spree.
It predicts they're coming.
It's actually called Between Two Ages, America's Place in the Technotronic Era.
And first of all, I fucking love the book From the Jump because it opens with a Steppenwolf quote, which is my favorite book.
And I'm like, it's a big new.
You kidding me?
All right.
jordan holmes
All right.
dan friesen
So it's...
I'm not quite done with the book yet, and it could take a harsh turn in the last chapter.
But so far, what it's about is, it was written back in the 60s.
And it's about how technology is going to be super important in terms of modernization and the world.
jordan holmes
So he's off to a great start.
dan friesen
And a large chunk of the book is talking about how developing countries and...
The burgeoning markets, what have you, are going to have a really difficult time keeping up with the technology because in order to modernize, generally you need stability.
That's mostly...
It's not saying we need to keep them unstable so they won't develop.
jordan holmes
Like what Obama said.
dan friesen
What Alex thinks Obama said.
It's more lamenting the impossibility or the unlikelihood of countries, even like India.
If you looked at it from the 60s, they didn't look like they had a very good chance of catching up with the rest of the world.
jordan holmes
And they're still struggling to catch up, but they're doing a lot better job of it than Zbigniew could have predicted.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
But yeah, no, Zbigniew, he just died recently.
dan friesen
Yeah, he did.
jordan holmes
But yeah, by all the accounts that I've read, he was actually a pretty good dude.
dan friesen
And again, I haven't finished the book.
It could take a real hard turn.
But so far, I'm finding Alex probably doesn't understand what he's reading.
I think that there's probably, like you even mentioned earlier, there's schizoid tendencies where he thinks everyone's pointing at him, and maybe they are laughing at him, or maybe he imagines it.
jordan holmes
And in his reality, it doesn't matter whether it's real or imagined.
To him, it is real.
dan friesen
And so he's reading this book, and he's like, oh, they're fucking with me.
He's reading the book, I'm sure, and he's like, oh.
jordan holmes
This is the globalist plan, and I'm the one who can see it through this book.
dan friesen
Because everyone else who reads this doesn't understand evil enough.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
They can't conceive of the idea that he's writing about this sort of...
Other weather-based technology.
jordan holmes
But it's in code.
Right.
And he has to say that, you know, otherwise people would be like, what?
We gotta tear him down.
But he's signaling to his other globalist cohorts.
dan friesen
Wink, globalists.
jordan holmes
This is our next way to, you know.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
And yeah, of course, well, fuck.
We wouldn't even get Godzilla for another ten years or whatever, so.
dan friesen
No, the first one was like in the 50s.
jordan holmes
Oh, that's right, it was in the 50s.
unidentified
The one with Raymond Burr.
jordan holmes
I forgot about that.
dan friesen
No, the Raymond Burr one, that was the American remake of the original.
Because they had to make it more palatable, and we didn't need to be the bad guys.
jordan holmes
No, we can't be the bad guys.
dan friesen
So, that's...
I apologize, that was a little more extended than I intended it to be.
But I'm fascinated by reading all these texts.
Of like, where does he get these ideas from?
And finding out they don't match up with what he's referencing.
jordan holmes
I love the promise of this podcast is you and I will get to laugh at Alex Jones.
dan friesen
In person.
jordan holmes
And instead, we got Zbigniew Brzezinski's book.
And not clips of him reading it or anything like that.
You've just given us a rundown.
dan friesen
And I still haven't finished it yet.
jordan holmes
So, policy wonks out there, go ahead and look forward to the second half of the Zbigniew Brzezinski book report.
dan friesen
I fully cop to the fact that the next installment could be like, holy shit, he was right all along.
The odds of that are infinitesimal.
jordan holmes
Very low.
Very low.
dan friesen
There is an outside chance I will be reporting back.
Alex Jones is fucking right, you guys.
We have got to run.
But for now, it's time.
To get to the results of Alex Jones' soul-searching.
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
And I'm going to call this Hints of a Heel Turn.
unidentified
Ooh!
alex jones
So what do they do when Infowars.com and PrisonPlanet.com and my reporters and writers and myself have been chronicling this for 20 years?
dan friesen
The globalists.
alex jones
And others before us.
Well, they just come out and they misrepresent what we're saying and what we're doing.
And they've done the same thing with Donald Trump.
Now, this weekend...
And then throughout the week, I watched hours of Donald Trump videos on CNN, NBC, Fox News, the lengthy 20-30 minute interviews he does.
jordan holmes
I did not read anything.
dan friesen
No, but I would also like to point out that if he's actually watching hours of the footage, then he has to have watched the interviews where he says, kill terrorists' families.
He has to have watched the videos where he says we should have stolen oil from countries as war plunder.
He has to have watched all of the interviews where he says that Putin is a great guy, talking about how great...
Putin is.
jordan holmes
Yeah, he's a great guy.
dan friesen
Alex Jones now, by virtue of the fact that you've watched hours of those interviews, you have to be aware of those things.
And if you're okay with them, then you're okay with all that.
And that's not good for you.
jordan holmes
Well, I mean, it's the same opportunism that gets us to where we are.
It is that whole idea of, I will deal with, well, just the British election.
dan friesen
Wait, wait, hold off.
Hold off.
Because we don't know where he's going to land on this yet.
jordan holmes
No, I know, but this is that signal.
Okay.
Wait.
Are you saying he's not going to land where we think he's going to land?
dan friesen
I don't know where he's going to land.
I haven't listened to this yet.
jordan holmes
Fuck you!
You son of a bitch.
dan friesen
I sincerely don't think it's going to go exactly the way you think.
jordan holmes
Okay, well let's listen to this and then I'll see if my point is still valid.
unidentified
All right.
alex jones
And I went back and did research on Donald Trump.
He has supported assault weapons bans.
He has supported Democrats more than Republicans in the past.
He does own casinos, and I'm not judging him.
I'm a libertarian.
You can do that.
I don't think it should be illegal, but I have a right to say I think it's degenerate.
jordan holmes
For most people.
alex jones
I'm not a gambler, so, you know, I mean, I've been to Vegas for video shoots before and gone to a roulette wheel, played some blackjack, won money, lost money.
jordan holmes
Last time he started talking about that, he was like, I've played some poker, but that's a whole different thing.
That's really the only gambling I do.
And now this time, yeah, I've been to Vegas and I played a lot of roulette.
dan friesen
And the last time he was like, people who run casinos are predators.
Trump is basically, with a name like Trump, you don't get arrested.
With one like Genovese, you do.
He said that he's the front man for a consortium on the East Coast.
He's not really rich.
All of that stuff.
jordan holmes
But as a libertarian, it's his right to say that.
dan friesen
Yep, so let's continue.
jordan holmes
And it's his right to then lie about what he said before.
alex jones
Watching the people there totally enamored in a cult, I thought was sick.
And knowing that I was being chumped, it's kind of like I smoke marijuana a couple times a year to actually see what the latest stuff does, not because I like it, so I can report on it.
unidentified
God damn it.
jordan holmes
You're so fucking stupid.
alex jones
Well, the five or six times I've gambled was so I could experience it.
True experimentation.
And I can tell you I don't like marijuana.
And I don't like gambling.
That doesn't mean you should be thrown in jail for marijuana.
unidentified
It doesn't mean you should be stopped for gambling.
alex jones
But I'm kind of digressing here.
unidentified
I've done deep research into Trump.
alex jones
And I think he is a self-made person.
I think he's very articulate, very charismatic, very smart.
I agree in about 95% of what he has to say.
When he says bomb the oil fields, that's common sense.
I said that a year and a half ago.
When they first took over, I said blow up the oil fields, fix them later.
But our government wants them to have those oil fields.
It's a proxy army of Saudi Arabia.
So see, if Trump went further like Rand Paul and said that, then I would really support him.
Rand Paul is better, but Rand Paul should be turning up the heat and being a little more like Trump.
He should be...
Quite frankly, as radical as Trump, because Trump stopped being radical.
And Gary Johnson, I want to get back on the show.
dan friesen
We'll get back to Gary Johnson in a second.
jordan holmes
So our problem is basically, Rand Paul isn't bigot enough to be president.
dan friesen
Well, no, it's that Rand Paul isn't crazy enough publicly, and Trump isn't crazy enough in his position.
If you could just get both of those crazies together, then you'd have a candidate.
jordan holmes
Then we'd have the whole thing.
dan friesen
Meanwhile, let's remember...
A couple weeks ago he was saying, I'm Rand Paul or bust, maybe Ted Cruz.
alex jones
Yeah.
jordan holmes
So we're smoothing the way out.
dan friesen
But he's mad at Gary Johnson.
He's going to get into that.
alex jones
Former New Mexico governor has probably been in studio five, six times, probably been on 15 times, and I really disagree with his political points he's trying to get, saying that Trump is catering to racists.
In fact, we'll put the actual quote on screen.
jordan holmes
Yeah, Trump's not doing that.
alex jones
Donald Trump is appealing to racist voters.
Says former New Mexico Governor Gary Johnson.
I don't want to have anything to do with it, Johnson.
It's embarrassing to me.
And you got Jeb Bush and everybody else saying the same thing.
Embarrassing to say the illegal aliens have a lot of hardcore criminals amongst them and they're committing crimes and Mexico is dumping its criminals on us.
That's what Cuba did.
That's what areas of Eastern Europe, it's a fact.
And again, it's this attack on reality.
So I'll say this.
jordan holmes
Yes!
alex jones
I'm going to give Donald Trump the benefit of the doubt.
jordan holmes
No!
alex jones
Because he hasn't backed off and he has lost some money and lost some TV shows over this.
jordan holmes
I don't understand why that's okay.
alex jones
And he doesn't care about the money now.
He doesn't want to lose his country.
And it's good to see an old-fashioned, a patriotic Yankee like Donald Trump and a guy like that could unify this country.
The problem is, I don't trust him as far as I can throw him, but he's got to be given the benefit of the doubt because he's saying what the other Republicans want.
So I'm going to stop attacking Donald Trump.
I've warned.
But that said, he's better than anything else we see right now.
So what he's saying has to be supported and defended.
unidentified
Thank you for listening.
alex jones
It's more important than the man.
It's the idea.
But I think he's going to betray us.
That's what my gut tells me.
And Spidey's never wrong.
dan friesen
That's so convoluted.
jordan holmes
Maybe his gut was right this time.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Maybe.
But isn't that wild?
jordan holmes
Alex is out!
That's his out!
dan friesen
But he can't play it now.
jordan holmes
Oh, he could totally play it now.
dan friesen
If he listened to our show.
jordan holmes
He knew it the whole time.
He can play that.
He can be like, listen, I got betrayed.
dan friesen
I got seduced by the charisma.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
His ideas were right, but he's not following through on those ideas.
I told you guys at the beginning, my gut told me that he was going to betray us because he's a secret Democrat and all of this shit.
He's got the move.
He's got the move.
Trump is a globalist!
dan friesen
I legitimately think that he's too far to do that.
After, what was it, the middle of January, early February, where he said, I would die for Trump?
jordan holmes
Yeah, that one's trouble.
dan friesen
I think he's gone too far.
He can't play that card now.
But that statement is fucked up.
Because he's like, I listened to all these videos which should have made him be like, whoa, this guy's nuts.
Instead, he's like, oh, he's crazy, but I like that crazy.
Alright, look.
I know he's mobbed up.
I know all this bad shit about him.
I'm going to stop attacking him.
I'm going to give him the benefit of the doubt, but he's probably going to betray us.
jordan holmes
You can't say, I don't trust him as far as I can throw him, but I'm going to give him the benefit of the doubt.
dan friesen
Trust, but verify.
jordan holmes
That's not a good idea.
dan friesen
It's not.
unidentified
You shouldn't, if you...
jordan holmes
Don't give...
Look, if you don't trust people, don't give them the benefit of the doubt.
dan friesen
They're usually going to screw you over.
jordan holmes
Because that's how you get murdered.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
Like, hey, I don't trust you in that car.
You seem creepy.
But you did offer me a ride.
My gut tells me you're going to murder me.
But I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt.
dan friesen
It's not necessarily in this case how you get murdered, but it is how you lose your Google ads.
It's definitely that.
So Alex now is at this point where...
He said a whole bunch of stuff about Trump up to this point.
Now he makes this proclamation and he stops talking about Trump.
jordan holmes
I think that was my prediction from the beginning.
It's the first debate whenever those guys start dropping out.
dan friesen
I don't know.
jordan holmes
And Trump pulls the super male vitality moves standing in the middle just sitting there.
You're a prick.
I hate you.
You know, like that kind of bullshit.
dan friesen
Write down super male vitality because we're going to get back to it.
jordan holmes
Do I need to write it down?
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Because it's stamped all over my heart.
dan friesen
You do, because we're going to get back to it at the end of this episode in a very weird way.
jordan holmes
Of course.
Is there any other way to get back to super male vitality?
dan friesen
Nope.
So, throughout the rest of this episode that we're going to be going over, up until July 21st, I believe, is where we cut off, he doesn't really talk about Trump much at all.
jordan holmes
What is he talking about then?
dan friesen
We're going to get into it.
jordan holmes
Because it seems like, especially at that time, whenever Trump was rising...
And everybody was shocked by it.
That's all everybody was talking about.
dan friesen
Well, he talks, he has an interview with Jerome Corsi at one point, which is really boring, and Jerome Corsi says maybe he's real this time.
So there's that.
They talk about that.
I didn't pull a clip of that because it doesn't matter.
jordan holmes
They're so fucking stupid.
dan friesen
Around the 19th or 20th, somewhere in there, was when Trump made the claims about John McCain, when he's like, I like heroes who don't get captured.
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
That sort of shit.
And Alex, his response to that is, didn't go far enough.
Because Alex believes that, I'll use his quote, John McCain was a trustee at the Hanoi Hilton.
He makes the claim that John McCain was never tortured, and in fact was given pleasure women and fancy meals at the Hanoi Hilton.
jordan holmes
What?
dan friesen
Yeah.
He says it's mainstream news.
jordan holmes
So what you're saying, what Alex is saying is that the reason John...
Can't raise his arms above his head is he got fucked too hard.
dan friesen
He blew out his obliques.
jordan holmes
He got fucked so hard he's paralyzed now.
dan friesen
More or less.
jordan holmes
That's what we're saying?
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
I did try and look into that and I can't find any verification of that.
I did find an article on WorldNetDaily, but it had no sourcing, no references at all.
I found one article that I don't know if I can trust or not that purported to be from somebody who was captured along the same time as him.
And it doesn't say that he wasn't tortured.
It was just saying that-Maybe he exaggerated the story, that kind of a thing.
And that there were a lot of people who were there and his experience is no more severe than any one of the other.
jordan holmes
Which is the point.
dan friesen
And I think that even John McCain would own up to that.
jordan holmes
He was like, hey!
We were in a fucking torture camp.
Everybody got tortured.
dan friesen
So that's where Alex stands on Trump.
Now, this is fun.
Immediately after this on the episode, he has an interview with Jesse Ventura.
Ventura comes back, and they talk some more bullshit about his case.
But I've just decided to cut all of that out, because in this clip, Jesse Ventura talks some fucking hard truth about Trump.
jordan holmes
Oh, really?
dan friesen
That is nice, and Alex can't really handle.
jordan holmes
Oh boy.
dan friesen
And it starts to give you the indication that...
jordan holmes
Now is whenever he's starting to turn Trump into his boy.
dan friesen
He's starting to feel the need to defend him, but he can't.
Especially not to Jesse Ventura.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
Because Jesse Ventura makes sense.
alex jones
So elaborate on where you stand on the Donald Trump situation.
jesse ventura
Well, first of all, you know, if Mexicans come up here illegals and get on our welfare system, if indeed they do that, then blame the people who created the system.
Democrats and Republicans.
Wow, that's a good point.
If they're able to do that, and I don't know if they are or not, but if they're able to do that, blame the system that allows it to happen instead of blaming the poor person.
Second of all, I get irritated because I'm off the grid down there.
I live 900 miles in Mexico.
And whenever somebody with the stature of Donald Trump makes a statement like he has, Believe me, we as Americans down there feel the repercussions of that.
All of a sudden, Mexican people stare at us.
All of a sudden, you know, hassles start happening.
Maybe the federales pull you over more.
Whatever it might be.
But it does nobody any good.
Because what Donald Trump is saying does nothing but anger Mexican people.
Because you can't paint them in a broad brush.
Certainly there's criminals in Mexico just like there are criminals here.
We ought to talk about the fact that we have more people in jail than any other country in the world.
alex jones
Sure.
jesse ventura
So therefore, don't we have the most criminals?
alex jones
Well, Jesse, I mean, I agree with your point that we shouldn't blame the TSA.
We should blame our Congress.
dan friesen
That's not the point that Jesse just made.
jordan holmes
That is definitely not the point that he just made.
dan friesen
Alex can't at all wrestle with the point that he just made, which is completely fucking valid.
So he's like, oh yeah, don't blame the TSA.
That was not what he said.
He said, don't blame the immigrants who were exploiting the system.
jordan holmes
Blame the system.
Don't blame poor people for trying to not be poor.
dan friesen
For fighting for their lives, more or less.
Through non-violent means, too.
Alex interprets that that way.
jordan holmes
Of course.
dan friesen
And that's his response.
jordan holmes
Now, here's my question to you.
How are we coming down on that?
Because is that Alex understanding the point and then deliberately misleading?
Or is that Alex...
Absolutely incapable of listening to another human being talk for any length of time.
dan friesen
I think it's the prior.
jordan holmes
You think so?
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
You think he fully gets that and then he just can't allow that to be...
dan friesen
Well, because, I mean, even Jesse's point that he made there is, like, they have criminals there, just like we have criminals here.
We incarcerate the most people in the world, so therefore don't we have the most criminals?
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Which you can't argue with if you're Alex.
So he has to change the argument that's being had.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
It's a classic debate tactic.
I mean, it's minorly gaslighting somebody.
jordan holmes
Well, absolutely.
dan friesen
But at the same time, it's just manipulative.
jordan holmes
What's even worse is the idea of agreeing with somebody on something they didn't say so you can move on.
dan friesen
I really hate that Jesse doesn't call him out on it, because clearly Jesse has the kind of status with Alex that he could do that.
He doesn't, but he makes another great point.
alex jones
For doing it.
And then Congress sits around criticizing the TSA when they shut it up and control it.
So I totally agree with you.
I get your point.
That said, I don't trust Donald Trump because he supported assault weapons bans, gave money to Hillary Clinton.
But I've actually watched his full speeches, and he said they're not sending their good people that have money in many cases that are illegals.
He says a lot of them are criminals fleeing justice.
Then the media said Donald Trump says Mexicans are crooks.
So I think some of that is the media spinning things to make it worse.
jesse ventura
That may be true, too, because, you know, as we both know, the media's in the entertainment business, and the more entertainment spin they can throw on anything sells copy.
You know?
Look at the trash they give us on TV and make us focus on things that are completely irrelevant.
alex jones
I agree, but just real quick, you personally have seen a backlash in the last month and a half from this Trump thing?
jesse ventura
Have I?
Well, have I personally, to me, a backlash?
No other than people know that I know Donald and they'll ask me and I just say, look, I don't answer for Donald, but I think what he's saying is utterly preposterous and stupid.
I said, you know, to state what he states.
I don't think I dare, you know, to have a president that would say things like that about people of another country.
You know, that's not very good diplomacy, in my opinion.
unidentified
Good.
alex jones
No, I hear your point overall.
The problem is, you're in a nice area of the Baja.
A lot of Mexico has collapsed.
jordan holmes
Do you, Alex?
alex jones
And so that is a larger problem.
I wish Mexico well, but...
jordan holmes
Do you, Alex?
dan friesen
So, but you hear that, like, Jesse just made some great points, and also another thing that's really interesting to point out that they don't get into is that Alex is also in the entertainment business.
jordan holmes
I was gonna say, like, there might as well have been, like, a giant sign directly above Alex Jones saying...
I'm entertaining.
dan friesen
This is about you.
jordan holmes
Yeah, exactly.
dan friesen
But then his way of getting out of the first thing that Jesse says is to pretend it's a...
jordan holmes
It's the TSA.
dan friesen
Right.
And then the way of getting out of the second point that he makes is to say, you live in Baja.
jordan holmes
You live in a nice area.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
You're not experiencing the Mexico that Donald is talking about, so you wouldn't know.
dan friesen
Most of it's collapsed.
jordan holmes
So even though I trust you, listen.
You're wrong on this one.
But I'm not going to say it like you're wrong.
I'm just going to be like, hey, you wouldn't know.
It's almost like I am saying because you don't have that personal experience, you perhaps don't understand the entirety of their experience.
dan friesen
Well, Jesse can't conceive of the evil of globalists, apparently.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Even though he's been the governor of a state.
jordan holmes
Globalist governor of the state.
dan friesen
Maybe.
jordan holmes
Maybe he got kicked out by the globalists.
dan friesen
But that right there is why we still like Jesse Ventura.
He has problems.
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
He's not always right.
He clearly was fucking around with that lawsuit stuff.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
He was misleading people, but he can come with stuff like that.
Or it's like, hey, good call, man.
jordan holmes
That was pretty much right on.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
And you know what?
I haven't even heard.
I don't think I've ever heard somebody make that.
Very simple, logical argument there, which is, we imprison the most people, so we have the most criminals.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
That's your argument.
If you're worried about criminals, you don't want Americans coming to your place.
dan friesen
No, and then sort of a secondary aspect of that argument.
jordan holmes
Which is always true.
You don't want Americans coming anywhere near, especially white people.
dan friesen
Unless you're France, then you want our scientists.
jordan holmes
Yes, take our scientists.
unidentified
Please!
dan friesen
The secondary aspect of that argument, too, if you really want to go with it, is that we have people in prison for bullshit.
Charges.
So even the definition of what a criminal is is kind of stupid.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
dan friesen
So...
jordan holmes
And the idea...
The other thing about that is...
That's the brand now.
It's not you committed a crime.
It's that you're a criminal.
And you're always a criminal.
And you're always going to be a criminal.
And even if you're escaping your life where you were a criminal because, I don't know, one of the Mexican cartels had you and the only way to get out of there was by running away.
Otherwise, they were going to murder you.
You committed a crime, so you're never entitled to do your best to not be a criminal.
dan friesen
Once you're a jet, you're a jet all the way.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
dan friesen
So this next clip is really weird.
Alex is kind of mad that people are, like, these insurers and hospitals are refusing to treat veterans, but they'll treat illegal immigrants.
jordan holmes
Oh, boy.
dan friesen
And so he has a weird fucking theory about it that even internally doesn't make sense.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
Like, even the words he's saying, if you grant that the beginning of it is true, the middle can't...
Here, oh, I don't...
Just listen to this.
alex jones
Oh, but if you're illegal, you get the surgery or you get to have your baby for free.
And we're not against these people, but why is it free for them and not for the vets who've earned it?
Because the vets are already here and they're done with you.
They want new people because we aborted 50 plus million of our kids, so we do need new people here so Social Security doesn't collapse.
But they're not even doing that.
They're already raided Social Security.
jordan holmes
That's true.
alex jones
I mean, these are facts.
jordan holmes
So he thinks a fact is that we're...
We're paying for illegal immigrants' babies to be born in the United States because we've accidentally aborted too many of our own babies.
And so the only way for Social Security to prop up is by illegal immigrants' babies.
But we need to kick those babies out.
dan friesen
But we've also already raided Social Security.
It's so convoluted.
It's so insane.
I don't even know where to, like, poke it.
You know, it's one of those...
It's like a weird blob that was like, I know I gotta poke you.
jordan holmes
Well, I mean, veterans are not treated well.
unidentified
No.
jordan holmes
That's a big problem.
dan friesen
Certainly.
jordan holmes
Why are you not focused on them?
Why is your anger...
Why is your anger...
Just like the Jesse Ventura thing.
It's like, we have the most criminals, so let's...
Blame the system.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Don't blame the poor people.
Don't blame the illegal immigrant who has to have her baby here because she can't afford it anywhere else.
Blame the system that is keeping the veterans from getting coverage and keeping the veterans from being helped out.
dan friesen
Might be a good plan.
jordan holmes
Why wouldn't you do that?
dan friesen
I want to take a moment to give Alex some credit because even though he does do it in dumb ways that rely on globalists and shit...
He does speak a lot about how veterans aren't treated well, and he has a good point there.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
No, that's absolutely true.
dan friesen
Now, the idea that it's some sort of elaborate plot by evil globalists is stupid.
It is just...
jordan holmes
What is it?
Everybody wants veterans to be taken care of.
Nobody wants to pay for veterans to be taken care of.
dan friesen
Right, right.
jordan holmes
Everybody wants health care.
Nobody wants to pay for health care.
dan friesen
Right.
It's the...
The budgeting is so much on the front end as opposed to the back end.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
It's all, we pay for the war, but we won't pay to take care of people.
jordan holmes
Of course.
dan friesen
And that's not a globalist plot.
That's just people in Congress being fucking stupid.
jordan holmes
And that's the way every military has always worked.
Every standing military, generally speaking.
We want you to fight.
We don't give a fuck once you're done there.
dan friesen
Jordan, I told you earlier that the show was going to end with a curveball.
jordan holmes
Is it going to end with a curveball?
dan friesen
Jade Helm started the day before this.
unidentified
Yes.
dan friesen
Now, Alex Jones has a statement he wants to make about Jade Helm.
alex jones
They've been caught lying, so they've tripled and quadrupled and quintupled and infinitied down with lies.
And so now, as I told you, I said when Jade Helm starts the 15th, you are going to see them everywhere say the laughable nut Alex has been discredited.
Jade Helm was not martial law.
Nothing happened.
When we never said it was going to do that, it was further conditioning.
And they will just sit there and assault their audience with fraud.
dan friesen
Now, I can't prove what he did or did not say in the past.
I can't do that because I'm not going back through more episodes than I need to.
jordan holmes
I'm listening.
dan friesen
We may do that investigation sometime down the line.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
But it would be hard for me to pinpoint when he started talking about Jade Helm.
That would be very difficult to get the timeline on.
But what I can do is tell you that at the end of this episode, he gets a caller from Alabama who...
jordan holmes
We're already off to a great start.
I love random InfoWars callers from Alabama.
I'm sure there's a lot of insight coming from there.
dan friesen
So Alex, on this very show, has said that people are going to lie and say that Jade Helm...
I say that Jade Helm is somehow real and people taking over.
jordan holmes
Right.
And they're doing that on purpose.
They're conditioning you to believe that it's never going to be martial law.
And then whenever it's not this time, they can turn me into the boy who cried wolf.
And that means that you'll be even more of a sheep the next time.
That means you'll be ready.
You'll be primed whenever they're going to do it.
dan friesen
Now, one very important thing to keep in mind for those of you who didn't keep up with Jade Helm conspiracy theories.
One of the big things that the internet was going wild on...
Is claiming that there were a bunch of Walmarts that had been closed down and there were secret tunnels for military and UN forces to go under.
That they were going to use them as like depot points.
Because they're giant buildings and they're inconspicuous when they're closed.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
So all of these Walmarts had closed down.
They're like, oh fuck, they're using them.
There's tunnels there.
So that was a big part of that stuff.
jordan holmes
That's one of those things that, if you're a conspiracy theorist, seems like a great plan.
You're like, oh, that's genius.
I know how genius that is.
But then if you're actually trying to do it logistically, you're like, this is a dumb fucking plan.
We have roads!
We can just use roads!
dan friesen
I can only come in or out of these tunnels at a Walmart.
jordan holmes
Yeah, why would we do that?
dan friesen
So now the reason that I bring that up is because Walmart will play into this caller.
And let's see how Alex responds to this caller.
alex jones
Now, John in Alabama, finish your point.
You said you were, you said you're there in Alabama outside the airbase and there's just troops suddenly with name tags off everywhere.
Yeah, that's what's happening.
That's part of Jade Helm that is in Alabama.
They expanded it to Alabama.
It was seven states.
It's now ten.
And it's just, I mean, I see it myself.
I couldn't wreck and get video of it, but I was in San Marcos yesterday doing an investigation that we're working on and I saw a black MRAP driving the other side of the road.
And then I saw Homeland Security people in blue uniforms walking out of a gas station when I was getting gas.
And they knew who I was, by the way, and saw me and kind of did it like this and got in their vehicle.
jordan holmes
Getting into a lot of details for him to be telling the truth on this one.
dan friesen
Also, he said that he couldn't get a video of that car on the road without crashing.
You could have taken a picture of these guys at a gas station.
That would have been simple enough, Alex.
You were stationary.
It would be no problem.
jordan holmes
Homeland Security in blue uniforms is the beginning of any lie.
Anytime, if there's a color involved, he's making it up.
dan friesen
Well, let's see.
alex jones
I'm not kidding.
I mean, as soon as I looked over the gas thing and these people were getting their car...
It was two older guys with short beards.
They just went, that's Alex Jones.
We are just overrun with DHS.
So tell us what you saw in Walmart.
unidentified
Okay.
I've always been the type of guy to mind my own business until all this stuff started happening.
alex jones
I get it.
I get it.
You're just a regular guy.
What did you say?
unidentified
It affects me as an American citizen.
I was raised on patriotic beliefs to stand for and uphold the Constitution because all the men in my family were in the military.
And I'm in Walmart the other night down here.
It was real close to 1 o 'clock in the morning if it wasn't 1 o 'clock in the morning.
alex jones
Okay, fine.
What'd you see?
unidentified
I'm walking through there and I see these two guys in black suits and they've got other guys around them.
They're talking to a Walmart manager.
dan friesen
Now, hold on.
jordan holmes
Two guys in black suits talking to a manager?
Clearly something nefarious.
dan friesen
Two guys in black suits.
I'm thinking it's the men in black.
They're calling me biased.
But when I see the black suits coming...
I nod my head.
Black suit's coming.
Nod your head.
That's the theme for Men in Black, too.
jordan holmes
I know.
dan friesen
All right.
unidentified
And I walk past, and people can tell me I'm crazy and full of crap, whatever.
I try to take a picture.
They had UN badges on their lapels.
The little globe with the leaves.
The same thing on their flag was on their lapels.
They had ID badges to Fort Rooker, UN personnel.
They are here in America, man.
They don't want anybody to know.
As soon as I try to take a picture of the guy.
I was tackled to the ground by what I'm assuming is his bodyguards, arrested by the city police, and my phone was taken, and they still haven't got it back.
alex jones
All right.
Okay, if this is true, and I believe you, look out.
We're going to jump on an airplane right now.
I want you to put you on hold.
I want you to scan whatever email, the arrest, the paperwork, and we will send reporters up there because, you know, that is just outrageous.
And, sir, there are UN troops all over the place.
They have Russian troops, and I heard about this before it was confirmed, training to take on domestic groups.
It's all part of secret treaties.
And the treaties are breaking up right now.
But, yes, they have Russian troops training at secret bases in Denver and Colorado Springs.
dan friesen
Space Command.
jordan holmes
Space Command!
alex jones
They've made it secret to take on domestic groups.
So it's a global government.
It's State Department memorandum 7277.
Freedom from war.
dan friesen
So I looked that up.
I read...
jordan holmes
Wait, here's the bigger question.
How does he know the secret treaties?
dan friesen
Right.
That are breaking up.
jordan holmes
That's my favorite.
The secret treaties?
unidentified
Sure.
jordan holmes
You know the secret treaties?
dan friesen
Of course.
They're in the white papers.
jordan holmes
How does he know they're breaking up?
dan friesen
That's in the white papers, too.
jordan holmes
But why would they be breaking up if everything's still going fine?
dan friesen
I don't know.
It's so stupid.
jordan holmes
Why throw that little...
The secret treaties, which are breaking up.
You could have just said the secret treaties that you've been fined.
You've already made up enough lies, Alex.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
You don't need to further compound it.
dan friesen
Take a break.
So, I looked up the memorandum that he was talking about, the Freedom from War State Department Memorandum 7277.
jordan holmes
727749.
dan friesen
It was written in September of 1961, and it is the Freedom from War, the United States Program for General and Complete Disarmament for a Peaceful World.
So, it's mostly in concern about the rapid growth of Post-nuclear weapons.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
And...
jordan holmes
The insanely rapid growth.
dan friesen
So they want...
Whoever wrote this, the people who were behind this memorandum...
By the way, memorandum.
Not a law.
jordan holmes
Nope.
Binding.
Agenda 217727.
dan friesen
You know what memorandum shortens to?
unidentified
Memo.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
It's a note.
jordan holmes
It's a little note.
dan friesen
It's a note.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
It's not binding.
7277.
dan friesen
So this is basically aspiring towards disarmament.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
And it is, if you're crazy, it looks bad.
Because it does talk about how the end goal is getting rid of armies in every country.
jordan holmes
Isn't that the end goal?
dan friesen
I think it is.
jordan holmes
Shouldn't that be the end goal?
dan friesen
I think it is.
jordan holmes
Don't we want to become a type one civilization?
dan friesen
It would be nice.
jordan holmes
Wouldn't that be better for everybody?
dan friesen
But the primary piece of it is nuclear disarmament.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
It's talking about these technologies that are completely capable of destroying the entire world, setting us off on a trajectory that we don't even know what it would lead to.
That's the first step of it.
And then eventually gradual disarmament of armies and creating peacekeeping organizations.
That, you know, will be involved with mitigating crises.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
And conflicts between states could be hashed out as opposed to war.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
It's idealistic as fuck.
jordan holmes
Of course.
dan friesen
But the one thing that's really important about it is it doesn't talk about UN forces hanging out, Russian secret training or anything like that.
And further...
jordan holmes
That's in secret memo 2072-77.
dan friesen
The first part of it is not achieved.
You know what I'm saying?
A lot of people still have nukes.
So, like, even...
jordan holmes
You could almost say too many nukes.
dan friesen
The beginning pieces of it haven't been successfully implemented.
It's like his fear of that Cloward and Piven plan that he brings up over and over again.
It's like, that wasn't implemented!
Someone wrote about it, some professor wrote that, like, oh, hey, if we overwhelmed the welfare system, people would have to take it more seriously.
jordan holmes
It's fiction!
It's like he's saying, you know, Aldous Huxley, he's the one who knew.
That's what we're living in now.
dan friesen
I think he would say that.
jordan holmes
I think he would say that too, yeah.
But that's the point.
It's all speculative fiction.
That's the issue, that he just can't discern what is...
Do you ever stop and think like...
Oh, we created all of the weapons necessary to kill all of us.
And we just have them lying around.
dan friesen
And we have for a long time.
jordan holmes
Getting old!
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Like, there are still nuclear weapon systems that use floppy disks.
dan friesen
Yep.
jordan holmes
And we're just fine with that.
unidentified
It's crazy.
jordan holmes
We're just like, yeah, this is great.
I'm sure that'll never be a problem.
dan friesen
It's absolutely insane.
jordan holmes
It's insane!
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
And the idea that you wouldn't be on board with just a vague, just like...
Hey, maybe let's try and get to a point where we're not always on the edge of global destruction.
dan friesen
I'd need to study this memorandum a little closer in order to have an assessment on it, but just from my read of it, my once-through reading, I would say it is a great goal, but it is way too idealistic to work in reality.
But yeah, I don't...
jordan holmes
Or in the near future.
dan friesen
In a general sense, taking the memorandum out of it.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Yeah, absolutely.
Why wouldn't you want war to stop?
What vested interest, other than making money, do people have in war continuing?
jordan holmes
Population control.
unidentified
Oh.
jordan holmes
There you go.
Yeah.
Dominance.
dan friesen
So anyway...
jordan holmes
Good cultures versus bad cultures, Dan.
dan friesen
Nationalism.
jordan holmes
We don't start wars for any other reason than to make their culture better.
dan friesen
Nationalism, prosperity.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's what it's about.
Second Amendment.
Second Amendment.
dan friesen
Private property.
Alex puts him on hold.
And then he has an interview that's really boring with Jerome Corsi.
jordan holmes
Then we get him back.
Also, whenever he was like...
Take, uh, scan the paperwork.
I was like, oh, we're not gonna hear from this fella again.
dan friesen
I'm going to confirm that at least as of July 22nd, this has not come back up.
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
And I guarantee it doesn't ever.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
But he does come back after the Jerome Corsi interview, and shit gets real.
alex jones
Now, John in Alabama, thank you for holding.
If folks just joined us, you live in Alabama, outside an airbase.
And you're in there at Walmart at 1 in the morning a few days ago, and they grab you, take you to jail, but don't charge you and say, come back later.
I've seen that with demonstrators before.
And you were there, and there were guys with UN name tags with a guy in a black uniform, and they tackled you, and the police came and took you to jail.
jordan holmes
He said, not necessarily a uniform.
alex jones
Amazing.
And if this is true...
jordan holmes
Which it isn't.
alex jones
It's incredible.
What else can you tell us about this?
What did the police say to you in the squad car?
Was anything else said to you?
unidentified
Well, Alex, I don't know about how censorship is on your show, so I'm pretty sure I can't quote them verbatim, but in a nutshell, they told me that I effed up by wanting to get picture happy with my iPhone.
And, you know, I told them I was just, I mean, I could be wrong, but I told them I was exercising my First Amendment right, freedom of speech, freedom of press, freedom of assembly, and they didn't care.
Like, my iPhone is probably no more, but...
alex jones
Wait, they didn't even give you your iPhone?
They didn't give you your phone back?
unidentified
No, no.
When I left the city jail, they told me that I could pick my iPhone up when I picked my paperwork up.
You should go pick your paperwork up.
I've been arrested a few times.
I know the ins and outs of it.
You're supposed to be formally charged.
You're supposed to get paperwork as soon as you get kicked loose, whether it's you have to pay to get out or you get a recogniz bond, a property bond, what have you.
And they give you your property back.
alex jones
Well, sir, here's the deal.
I would call the local media and I would say, troops stole my iPhone at the Walmart.
They won't give it back.
That's a news story.
And if they won't cover it, we'll come up there.
And I'll go in there with a video camera to the police department and say, give them his iPhone back.
And let them try to arrest me.
That's fine if they do.
But I believe you.
I've had similar things happen to me.
This is incredible.
Describe these UN troops for us.
How were they dressed?
What do the uniforms look like?
Where were they in the Walmart?
Break it down for us.
unidentified
Okay, the men that I saw in the Walmart, the gentlemen that I'm presuming are bodyguards because they're the ones that pulled...
What I'm assuming is Glock 17s because that's standard issue sidearm.
alex jones
Oh, wait, they pulled firearms on you?
jordan holmes
I really don't like that.
unidentified
Yes, yes.
They drew down on me in Walmart while there was a total of six.
Four of them drew down on me and covered me while two of them took me to the ground.
alex jones
Well, that's unprecedented.
Armed troops pulled a gun on you.
unidentified
Armed in plain clothes, and I'm assuming that they were protecting the two men in the suits with the badges on their lapel.
And, like, I didn't mean them any harm, you know?
I understand.
alex jones
It was some type of diplomats or something that think they're God.
So what happened next?
unidentified
Or they're just under threat by random hillbillies at 1 in the morning.
No resistance at all.
alex jones
We're almost out of time.
What else happened?
What else happened?
unidentified
Okay, well, you know, they detained me and held me on the ground.
One of them had a knee in my back, holding both of my hands behind my back, and I let it go on.
and then the city police arrived and they carted me off to jail.
And, you know, I got out a couple hours later on what they said was a recogniz bond, you know, I, in good fashion, All right, brother, here's the deal.
alex jones
I'm going to send a reporter up there.
I believe you.
We need to go back to Walmart, recreate it.
We need to go to the police department.
This is huge.
Armed UN forces tackling and then robbing a citizen's iPhone and taking them to jail.
dan friesen
This is not the behavior of someone who doesn't believe Jade Helm is real.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
This is the behavior of someone who's looking for a way to believe it's real.
But knowing, without concrete evidence, he's going to be made fun of.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
So he gets this hillbilly collar on the air, who's clearly lying to him.
jordan holmes
Just beautifully lying.
dan friesen
Here's what I would say.
Something is missing from that story.
jordan holmes
Especially because the number of people involved keep going up.
dan friesen
It does change a little bit.
jordan holmes
I saw two guys in black suits.
dan friesen
Talking to the manager.
jordan holmes
Oh, there were bodyguards.
He had a bodyguard.
He had a bodyguard.
Then it became he had bodyguards.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Then they pulled Glock 17s on him.
dan friesen
First they took his phone.
Then they tackled him.
Then they pulled guns on him.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
It's so...
It's nonsense.
I believe...
jordan holmes
Also, the fact that he...
The fact that he just casually references Glock 17s is like...
No, I don't like that at all.
dan friesen
Again, it's very specific.
jordan holmes
I don't like that at all.
dan friesen
I am not saying that he's making something up out of whole cloth, but there's some element of the story that's missing.
Maybe he was high.
jordan holmes
Well, police did also tell him that he couldn't bring that brown bag inside the Walmart.
dan friesen
Why the fuck would you be at a Walmart at one in the morning if you're not high?
Also, I don't know any reason to go to Walmart.
jordan holmes
He ran out of socks.
He ran out of socks!
dan friesen
Because he smoked them all.
jordan holmes
Have you not?
unidentified
He smoked them all.
jordan holmes
All right.
unidentified
All right.
jordan holmes
You're unfairly drawing Alabama and hillbillies in a broad brush.
dan friesen
And I say, boy, howdy to your boys down there in Alabama.
That was too Bayou.
unidentified
I don't like that.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that was way too Bayou.
dan friesen
It's tough for me to slide right into the South or Midwest.
Anyway.
jordan holmes
Slide right into my DMs.
dan friesen
That's it for the 16th of the show.
Alex invalidates his own claim that he's not buying into Jade Helm by buying in real hard for a random caller.
He has been schooled by Jesse Ventura, but he's also teased his heel turn about Trump.
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
It's very clear that it's only a matter of time now after July 16th until he inevitably does get in.
And is it just the bigotry?
unidentified
I don't know.
jordan holmes
It sure seems like it.
dan friesen
Kind of does at this point.
jordan holmes
It seems like really all he's interested in is the fact that Trump says we should hate immigrants.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
That's basically all he's...
dan friesen
Pretty much.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
So, I was going to cut it off at the 16th for this episode.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
But we have to talk about the 17th.
jordan holmes
Okay, what happened on the 17th?
dan friesen
The 17th is one of my favorite Alex Jones episodes I've ever listened to.
And I'm just going to play the beginning of the show, and you'll see why.
alex jones
Well, I'm going to jump the shark intentionally at the start of the next segment.
So call your friends and family.
jordan holmes
What does that mean?
alex jones
And tell them to tune into the broadcast.
jordan holmes
What does that even mean?
alex jones
When we start the next segment in exactly seven minutes, 12 seconds from now.
unidentified
So start the countdown.
Get ready.
I'm going to be We are going to be breaking down some information.
alex jones
That may actually shake large portions of the population out of their mind control.
jordan holmes
Is that what jumping the shark is?
dan friesen
I guess so.
jordan holmes
What is jumping the shark?
What does he think it means?
He uses it a lot.
dan friesen
Fortune favors the bold.
jordan holmes
He doesn't know what it means!
dan friesen
He doesn't understand aphorisms.
jordan holmes
He really doesn't.
dan friesen
Unfortunately...
He does literally jump the shark.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
This episode is embarrassing.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
So I don't want to spoil for you what the actual jumping of the shark is.
jordan holmes
I don't understand, again, what it is we're talking about, but I'm excited to find out.
dan friesen
I don't know if it's going to work better if I just spell it out up top.
jordan holmes
No, I want to hear it.
I want to hear it cold.
dan friesen
Okay, so I have split up the actual shark jump.
jordan holmes
Into three parts.
Preparation.
dan friesen
No, it's six.
jordan holmes
The buying of water skis.
dan friesen
Motorcycle.
jordan holmes
Definitely got to get a motorcycle there.
dan friesen
Yeah.
That's right.
It is water skis.
I'm sorry.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
I forgot.
It's, what was it?
Happy Days.
dan friesen
Yeah, but he also jumped something on a motorcycle at some point.
jordan holmes
They got very into the jumping of things.
dan friesen
There are six parts to this shark jump.
unidentified
Okay.
And each one of them.
dan friesen
Is held up by a complete bullshit lie.
jordan holmes
All right.
dan friesen
One of his tent posts, one of his waypoint stories that he's been telling, we haven't really dealt with a lot of the 2015 tent posts, the waypoints, so we get to take care of all of them in one fell swoop during this jumping of the shark.
It's amazing.
Okay.
So here we go.
We're going to start it off with the first clip.
This is seven minutes and a couple seconds after the last one.
alex jones
The terror threats are being used to take our freedoms.
jordan holmes
Agreed.
alex jones
The Patriot Act is used 99 plus percent of the time against non-terror related cases to overturn the Bill of Rights and Constitution.
jordan holmes
Perfect.
Stop there.
alex jones
Now that's political correctness.
If anything is hurtful to anyone, they're saying it's banned.
That's totalitarianism.
So what we need is some strong medicine to force the logical point.
To force the debate, to have the controlled traitor media attack us for making this point, and then to have the American public have a logical discussion.
Now, they will take what I'm about to say out of context.
This is a big announcement.
jordan holmes
How is that an announcement?
alex jones
But it's not done satirically.
It's done at a level of logical discussion.
If we're going to ban paper bags, That are brown in Seattle government because someone might be hurt that they're brown bags.
No one ever said brown bags, anything to do with racism.
They just say it to set the precedent they can ban or restrict whatever they want.
dan friesen
So that's the first waypoint, is that they're outlawing brown bags in Seattle.
They're not.
This is based on a memo that a Seattle...
Elliot Bronstein, the chief spokesman for the Seattle Office of Civil Rights, advised the city's public information officers...
To avoid the phrase brown bag and use terms like sack lunch or lunch and learn, according to a memo, which is being widely misreported as an order or a ban.
Now, the reason that he did this was...
Okay, I'm just going to read his quote.
jordan holmes
I assume it has something to do with alcohol.
dan friesen
No.
jordan holmes
Oh.
dan friesen
This issue came up in one of the departments, and I thought I'd send it around as an FYI for your consideration, the memo reads.
We often use the expression brown bag to designate a bring-your-own-lunchtime event.
We also use the word citizens as a synonym for residents.
Innocuous phrases, right?
It went on.
Not so much.
For some people, the phrase brown bag calls up ugly associations with the use of the expression brown bag to determine if people's skin color was light enough to allow admission to an event or a home.
Citizens is a different case.
We sometimes use it as another way of saying members of the public, except for all the members of the public who aren't actually citizens, who live and work here.
It's basically a fucking...
The chief spokesman for the Office of Civil Rights issued a memo to city employees that asked them to be more sensitive.
Because there is a history of it.
I've looked into it.
That's not made up.
jordan holmes
No, of course.
dan friesen
The idea of passing...
jordan holmes
Anything that...
Any reference to racism in American history, even if I have no context for it, I'll be like, yeah, that's probably true.
dan friesen
I think that this is probably stretching a little bit in terms of the descriptors of this bag is brown.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
It's not, but at the same time...
jordan holmes
He's just saying, you know, like...
unidentified
Be sensitive.
jordan holmes
Language is important.
Be specific with your words.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
That's all he's saying.
A lot of the times, just be more specific.
dan friesen
Sack lunch is no more difficult to say.
It's no less descriptive.
jordan holmes
No.
And it's not a ban.
It was him being like, hey, try and do this.
dan friesen
Yep, but at this point, the shark jump has been described.
jordan holmes
Also, the plan that he has is so mind-bogglingly stupid.
dan friesen
And we don't even know what exactly it is yet.
jordan holmes
But his plan is...
dan friesen
He's going to say something.
jordan holmes
What he's outlined.
His idea of how this is going to work is he's going to say something intentionally fucked up.
Yeah.
So that the media will report on it.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
But even though it's intentionally fucked up, they're going to take him out of context.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
Which boggles the mind even further.
dan friesen
Well, here's what he's trying to do.
jordan holmes
And then that will force everyone to come together and have a conversation.
About how stupid the fucked up thing he said was.
dan friesen
More or less.
He's trying to play the Mark Dice game on a pro level.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
But what he doesn't realize is the Mark Dice game only works because it's a closed loop.
You don't have any rogue actors in there like the actual media.
So the media is not going to play along with this the way you play along with Mark Dice's reporting and create your circle of propaganda.
They are going to take it on its face.
They're going to deal with what you say and be like, holy shit.
And we'll get to it.
jordan holmes
And even then, they could just go back and listen to the first part where he said, this is what we're going to do.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Yeah, that is a problem, too.
jordan holmes
If you're trying to trick people, don't tell people you're tricking them.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Yeah, that is a problem.
Alex is dumb, though.
jordan holmes
And it's so fucking hilarious for him just to be- Although, then again, that is Jerome Corsi's plan.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Yeah, totally.
jordan holmes
Fair enough.
dan friesen
It's what they do!
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Okay.
This time, we're actually going to do propaganda.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Jerome.
Corsi.
Buddy.
Baby.
You're way past that.
dan friesen
I'm going to be paying thousands of dollars for people to soy bomb CNN.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Dude, no.
Not a propaganda campaign.
dan friesen
So, he goes on.
And like I said, I didn't cut anything out.
These are just segmented.
I took a break pretty much whenever he got to one of his lies.
Seattle brown bag shit is a complete misrepresentation and a lie, as we've come to expect from Alex.
Here's the next one.
alex jones
If we're going to tell kids nationwide and public schools under no child left behind, you're purple penguins, you can't be a boy or girl.
It might hurt someone that doesn't identify as a boy or girl.
If you can't have your identity...
Because it might hurt someone else.
That is the greatest form of oppression psychologically I could imagine.
dan friesen
So this is another one of his big waypoints.
unidentified
But can't you just for one second turn that around?
jordan holmes
Like, hey, if you can't have your identity because it hurts somebody else.
dan friesen
Like Alex?
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Like, maybe think about how your identity...
Has hurt somebody else.
A lot.
Or maybe somebody else can't have their identity because you don't want to feel bad.
dan friesen
You're on a real interesting tip that Alex is not interested in.
jordan holmes
He cannot grapple with...
How is it that you just can't grapple with the turn it the other way?
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
It's not even hard.
It's super easy.
Like, if I feel one way and I don't like that...
What if somebody else who isn't me feels that way?
dan friesen
It's like if he sees the letter A right here.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
He's like, ah, that's the letter A. And then it moves a little bit over there.
He's like, what the fuck is that?
jordan holmes
Yeah, exactly!
dan friesen
Yeah, exactly.
jordan holmes
How do you not just take that little step?
dan friesen
Yeah, so would you like to learn about this waypoint?
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
Alex has been saying for a really long time, and I don't think I've played it on the show, that nationally, in schools...
They're telling kids that they can't be boys or girls anymore.
They have to be purple penguins.
jordan holmes
Yes.
That'd be fun.
dan friesen
And this is because saying boys and girls are hurtful to trans-identifying students.
jordan holmes
Which doesn't make any sense.
dan friesen
He's stupid.
But here's the thing.
If you look into it, this is based on a story out of Lincoln, Nebraska, specifically.
And there were some materials that were provided to teachers by a group called the Gender Spectrum, which is an organization whose website states a goal of fostering, quote, gender-sensitive and inclusive environment for all children and teens.
So inside their materials, it has this.
I'll just read this quote.
Don't use phrases such as boys and girls, you guys, ladies and gentlemen, and similarly gendered expressions to get kids' attention, instructs a training document given to middle school teachers at the Lincoln Public Schools.
Create classroom names and then ask all the purple penguins to meet on the rug.
The document also warns against asking students to line up as boys and girls and suggests asking them to line up whether they prefer skateboards or bikes, milk or juice, dogs or cats, summer or winter, talking or listening.
jordan holmes
Oh, do you mean by who you are as a person as opposed to what you have between your legs?
dan friesen
Yeah, and it goes on to say, always ask yourself, will this configuration create a gendered space?
The document asks.
jordan holmes
I think that's actually a very smart thing.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
That sounds really dumb.
dan friesen
Uh, what do you mean?
jordan holmes
I just mean that it has the ring of, like, even while...
dan friesen
Everything that has to do with kids is dumb.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
To adults.
jordan holmes
But that's...
No, I mean, that angle, like, I immediately have that knee-jerk reaction of, like, dudes, you're going overboard with this.
Let's just...
But that makes perfect sense just in a form of education.
Just like that idea of...
We're not immediately putting you into your blue and your pink.
You're given your choice.
You're like, oh, I am not a boy or a girl.
I am somebody who enjoys this.
I am a person first with my own thoughts and feelings, and I'm not whatever you tell me I am, and I'm allowed to choose and grow in the way that I want to.
That makes sense.
dan friesen
I like it.
The arbitrary specific of Purple Penguins in that readout.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's just little group names.
dan friesen
Just create teams within the classroom and give them names.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Why not?
jordan holmes
That's like getting mad at Legends of the Hidden Temple.
dan friesen
Oh, Silver Monkey is very racist.
jordan holmes
Yeah, exactly.
dan friesen
Very racist.
jordan holmes
Very unhappy with that.
dan friesen
Also, the Shrine of the Silver Monkey, or that one where you had to put the three pieces of the monkey together and no one could ever fucking do it.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
I remember I screamed at the TV about that when I was a kid, and then someone made a group about it on Facebook.
Like, years and years ago, I'm like, you fucking asshole, now I can't complain about it.
unidentified
Now it's hacky for me to remember that it made me mad.
dan friesen
I'm like, goddammit.
jordan holmes
Do you know what's even worse?
You can't complain about it also because one of the reasons that it was so hard for them was because they were shooting for like 12 or 14 hours straight.
dan friesen
Oh, another reason is most of them weren't tall enough to put the head on.
jordan holmes
There were many issues with Legend of the Hidden Temple.
dan friesen
So, you know, people got mad about this, and by people I mean Alex.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
But there's more.
So, Brenda Legario, the Lincoln Public Schools Coordinator for Social Workers and Counselors, clarified to the Lincoln Journal Star after the issue gained widespread attention.
Of course!
And they were not meant as rules staff had to follow, but as suggestions for how teachers can make students feel comfortable.
It also stresses the impact words can have on others.
If there's a staff member that's uninformed and unsupportive, that can be pretty scary for a family maybe struggling to understand transgender issues themselves.
So that just sounds like a really good progressive school district, quite frankly.
jordan holmes
Do you know what?
It always brings me back to almost all of this.
Almost all of this always winds up boiling down into be thoughtful.
dan friesen
Alex hates that.
jordan holmes
I'm a huge...
I read the DAO like 10 million times when I was growing up and just one of those very simple things was always be mindful, be thoughtful with your actions.
Think before you just randomly or just think about how does this make somebody else feel first instead of I want to do it so I'm going to.
It's a great ideal.
I mean, it never happens.
unidentified
No, no.
dan friesen
So to make matters worse for Alex's narrative, the Lincoln Public School Superintendent Steve Joel pushed back against what he said was a misinformed reaction to the district's gender identity training by national commentators and news outlets.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Quote, It's indeed regrettable for the last week and a half we've had to dedicate as much staff time and resources to address an issue that is not founded in fact.
Never once has anyone inside our school mandated that a teacher take the words boys or girls or ladies and gentlemen out of their interactions with children or interaction with adults.
jordan holmes
Of course.
dan friesen
This was about adults, professional educators who care deeply about trying to reach and establish relationships with children.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
So, fuck you, Alex!
You're a liar!
jordan holmes
Get mad about real shit!
Why do they have to make things up to be angry about?
dan friesen
Bro, that's what I'm talking about.
That's why this is Jumping the Shark.
He's accidentally doing what he's parodying.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's true.
dan friesen
He thinks he's doing it satirically, but he's going overboard on his narratives in one chunk.
So, this next clip, he actually jumps the shark.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
He does the jump that he had prepared, which is crazy.
And then this clip ends with another lie.
alex jones
That's the wildest cult programming that I could ever even envision in my mind.
jordan holmes
Really?
alex jones
Period.
jordan holmes
There's way better cult programming.
alex jones
So to assault these people, we have to point out that what they're doing is unconstitutional.
It's tyrannical.
It's totalitarian.
It's oppressive.
It's cultic.
But also, it can't be selectively enforced.
It can't be discriminatory.
And so...
jordan holmes
Okay.
alex jones
If we have radical Muslims being brought in by the hundreds of thousands a year...
jordan holmes
That doesn't make sense.
alex jones
...from everywhere from...
Turkey, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait...
jordan holmes
Name two more countries.
alex jones
...areas of northeastern Africa like Somalia...
jordan holmes
One.
alex jones
...who are then constantly trying to carry out attacks or who are carrying out attacks...
Against soft targets.
Well, if it's hurtful to people, they're doing that.
And if we blame all white people for the shooter in Charleston, the deranged shooter, and if we blame the Confederate battle flag for that, then I'm calling for all Muslim symbols to be removed, and I'm calling for all mosques in the United States to be shut down, and I'm calling for all self-identifying Muslims of any type.
To be deported to their original country of origin, even if they've been here 200 years.
I want all Muslims deported now.
And I want all Muslims to have their mosque shut down and their minarets removed and their symbols removed and anyone wearing a crescent moon around their neck, I want them arrested.
Because we've got police showing up at swap meets saying they're there to arrest people selling rebel flags.
Total tyranny.
Hardcore oppression.
Well then, let's see it.
dan friesen
We'll get back to that rebel flag thing in a minute.
jordan holmes
Of course.
I didn't think he was going to let the rebel flag go the moment the rebel flag came up.
dan friesen
Oh no, I'm going to get back to it in a minute.
So just to...
Sort of dispense with why that argument is really stupid.
jordan holmes
That's the dumbest argument.
dan friesen
Well, but just to lay it out.
Just to lay it out, because he thinks he's being logical, and he's not.
There's a really foundational problem with the way he's presenting this, and that is, in order for his argument to make sense, then the Confederacy, or worship of the Confederate flag, would have to be a federally protected group.
It would have to be a religion.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Which, in a lot of ways, it basically is.
dan friesen
But in order for him to make this argument logically sound, actually, it does work.
It's just all his premises are wrong.
It works as a logical, like, okay, yeah, I mean, you're dumb, but it does strictly work.
jordan holmes
I don't understand how you think it works.
dan friesen
Well, because...
Because it doesn't.
Because it doesn't have to be true for it to actually work logically.
jordan holmes
No, but it's...
dan friesen
He's saying if Muslims attacking people hurts someone, and if the Confederate flag being hung hurts someone, we take down symbols of the Confederate flag when a Confederate person or someone inspired by the Confederate flag hurts people.
Therefore, we should take down all symbols of Muslim people when a person inspired by...
Islam attacks somebody.
It actually does work, strictly speaking, in terms of A then B, B then C, C then D. It's stupid, but it doesn't matter.
unidentified
I mean, is that why...
jordan holmes
Okay, I see where you're coming from.
You're right.
It's just that the premises are so stupid.
dan friesen
And the premises don't...
It's the difference...
jordan holmes
And they're not a one-to-one premise, though.
dan friesen
No, it's the difference between valid and sound when you're talking about logic.
You can have a valid argument that's not sound.
jordan holmes
Right, because it's made up.
dan friesen
Right.
In order to have sound arguments, you need to have true premises that lead to a conclusion.
It needs to be in the proper form and things have to be true.
You can have a valid argument that's not sound if you just have bullshit.
You can just have lies, but as long as it's set up right...
jordan holmes
Right, right, right.
I get what you're saying.
dan friesen
Truth can't lead to falsity.
Falsity can lead to truth.
jordan holmes
I gotcha.
I see what you're saying.
dan friesen
So the thing is, like I said, the really big thing is that in order for you to make this argument and make it work, you have to put in something that makes the Confederacy a...
which is a rogue, failed...
Insurgency, basically.
That has to be exactly the same as a religion.
And if you want to make that argument, Alex, you can.
But then you have to say a whole bunch of other shit.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
It implies a bunch of stuff that I don't think he realizes he's implying.
jordan holmes
That would be an interesting...
I mean, because for a lot of people it does function as something of a religion.
At least an ideology.
Well...
I mean, the idea that the South will rise again very much has those religious overtones.
dan friesen
Jesus will rise.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
And then the fervency of the belief in the flag itself.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
And, you know, it's very much a...
It is a worship.
We worship the past.
unidentified
Sure.
jordan holmes
Could you see Confederacy becoming a religion?
A federally protected religion.
dan friesen
No.
jordan holmes
The people who believe that we should have the Confederate flag hanging should have to agree to go to church together.
dan friesen
No.
jordan holmes
And worship that flag.
dan friesen
No, I don't think so.
But also, see, this is the thing that I find the most interesting about people trying to use logic who don't know anything about logic.
Like me.
Whenever you make arguments like the one Alex is making, you have a bunch of...
They're not really even assumptions, but they're implied premises that you don't really even realize are in there.
And when you make your argument, you're actually saying a ton more than you're actually getting to.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
And that is one of them.
And the other thing is, like I said, things have to be true.
People weren't calling...
jordan holmes
Ha ha, Dan!
Dan, you sweet, naive child!
dan friesen
I'm just saying technically...
jordan holmes
Dan, you're such a beauty to see your wide-eyed optimism.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Saying that things have to be true.
dan friesen
Well, to be sound, like I said.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
To be sound.
So, the other thing that he's not taking into consideration is that people weren't saying we should ban the Confederate flag.
There were just a bunch of businesses that got pressure from people who didn't want them to sell it, and they replied to the free market.
They made a decision based on what their consumers were saying.
Places like Walmart stopped selling the flag because...
jordan holmes
Free market.
dan friesen
Yeah, so Alex should be thrilled with that.
jordan holmes
Well, yeah, but they're not bringing prosperity back.
They're bringing free market, but it's not prosperity.
unidentified
And as we all know, prosperity is about that battle flag.
dan friesen
Secondarily, people wanted the Confederate flag taken out of state buildings because, of course, it should not be in government buildings.
Yeah!
jordan holmes
That's such a weird idea.
dan friesen
So those were the real...
jordan holmes
That's like if North Vietnam was hanging a United States flag.
dan friesen
So here's the other thing.
If he wants to make the argument based on reality, which I think might be a better argument to make, because I agree with him if he were making this argument, which is...
Well, actually, I wouldn't agree with him if he was using terrorism as one of the foundational premises, but be that as it may, if he's saying people in reality are trying to ban...
The Confederate flag being flown in government buildings.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
And they're doing that because it hurts people.
Some people are offended by Islam.
Whether or not that's rational is another question.
So the Islamic flags should not be flown in our government state buildings.
jordan holmes
Well, yeah, but they shouldn't be.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
Neither should the Confederate flag.
dan friesen
Right, but if he's making that argument, then cool.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
But he's saying, on their own property.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
He's going so far, but I know he's doing it satirically.
jordan holmes
Well, he's thinking he's doing it satirically.
dan friesen
Right.
I understand that.
I understand that he's not literally calling for these things.
But the form he's using is so flawed.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Like, he just...
It drives me up a fucking wall.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
unidentified
I could spend half an hour talking about all the bullshit.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
So, he ends that, though, with the...
unidentified
You're being a pedant is really what's going on.
dan friesen
I am flashing into the part of myself that should have been a professor.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, exactly.
dan friesen
So I looked into the idea that people were storming swap meets and trying to get the Confederate flag.
Taken down.
jordan holmes
Yeah, what was that all about?
dan friesen
Arresting people for selling Confederate flags.
unidentified
Arresting people?
jordan holmes
You can't do that.
dan friesen
So I looked it up, and I accidentally Googled Confederate flag arrests, and what I found was a couple of bad stories.
One is, I'll just read you this headline, tell you a little bit about it.
jordan holmes
Somebody just arrested a Confederate flag?
dan friesen
Just put it in cuffs.
They waved the Confederate flag and a shotgun at a black child's party.
unidentified
Ah!
dan friesen
Now they're headed to prison on terrorism charges.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
So that's one story I found.
Another one.
A man bombed Walmart because it stopped selling Confederate flag in Mississippi.
Another one.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I know what you're saying.
It seems bad.
But was anybody arrested for selling the Confederate flag?
dan friesen
I did find one story about...
Okay.
jordan holmes
All right.
dan friesen
A shopper perusing the merchandise at a Redwood County flea market was so offended by a vendor selling Confederate and Nazi historical memorabilia, the person actually called 911.
Wallingsford, Connecticut police were dispatched to the flea market to investigate.
The police chief, William Wright, tells News 8 the reason no one was arrested was because the items were being sold on private property.
unidentified
Not to mention, not to mention, no.
jordan holmes
Because of course!
dan friesen
No laws were broken.
jordan holmes
Because of course!
dan friesen
There was a table set up with this material, Wright says, according to the journal record.
It's not criminally illegal, but obviously it offended this person.
It causes some people a sense of being uncomfortable.
Certainly the owner could preclude this merchandise.
He said he could, if he wanted to.
jordan holmes
And the owner could do that.
dan friesen
The town resident who called 911 said that there were helmets with swastikas, images of Hitler, and other historical Nazi items.
Dude, do not turn on the History Channel.
Oh, shit.
The caller complained that the Confederate items were, quote, not authentic and replicas of flags and weapons.
He said the seller told him he was, quote, selling so much he can't keep it in stock.
So basically what happened, this has to be the story he's talking about.
It's from around the same time.
It's a flea market.
It has to be.
It's police coming in.
I couldn't find any other stories.
jordan holmes
Nobody got arrested for selling the flag.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
He's just completely making that part up out of whole cloth.
It's absolutely absurd.
jordan holmes
Well, I think his argument would be that liberal snowflakes want people arrested for selling the Confederate flag.
You know, those liberal snowflakes who survived the Holocaust.
dan friesen
Or if their family did.
Yeah.
unidentified
Maybe.
dan friesen
I don't even know if he would want that guy arrested.
Calling the police part is a little strange, but I get where he's coming from.
unidentified
It's...
dan friesen
Look, I don't know.
jordan holmes
Also, I liked the fact that at the end he was like, and the shit wasn't even real!
dan friesen
Well, that's just getting...
That's just getting a nice little jab in.
jordan holmes
I know.
That's some good stuff right there.
I'm a big fan of this dude.
dan friesen
Alex is not done with his shark jumping rant.
He has a couple more things he wants to bring in.
Here's one of them.
And again, I didn't cut anything out.
It's just segments.
alex jones
Let's see if the controlled left won't just edit what I just said and we'll take it in context.
Because the truth is, most Muslims aren't radicals.
Most Muslims aren't terrorists.
The truth is that in general...
The people coming to this country just want to work and be successful and are fleeing the oppression of radical Islam.
dan friesen
You should stop there.
alex jones
I know a lot of Muslims.
I went to school a lot of Muslims.
I don't support blaming all Muslims for what just happened.
But you know what?
There have been a lot of Muslim groups allied with the left who are calling to remove the Confederate flag and who are getting into this whole anti-Anglo-Saxon, anti-white garbage.
And so it's time for white people.
And anyone else that doesn't want to be oppressed to say, I'm not going to be blamed for what somebody else does.
But if you want to play by that game, we know statistically over 95% of terrorism in the world is carried out by Islamic extremists, the rest by criminal groups who want ransoms.
dan friesen
That's not even close to true.
jordan holmes
That's not even close to true.
dan friesen
Just to give you a little bit of an idea, so in the United States, for example, 94% of terrorist attacks carried out in the United States between the years of 1980 to 2005 were done by non-Muslims.
jordan holmes
Nope.
dan friesen
A lot of them were environmental groups.
A lot of them were animal rights groups.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
A lot of them do...
Because, you know, if you do a little arson, that counts as a terrorist.
jordan holmes
Get a little arson!
dan friesen
So Alex likes to talk about Europe, too.
jordan holmes
If you do a little arson.
dan friesen
He talks about how all these attacks are being carried out in Europe.
Of course.
So there have been a thousand terrorist attacks in Europe in the last five years when this article was written.
And less than 2% were carried out throughout the entirety of Europe by Muslims.
jordan holmes
Of course.
dan friesen
So, I mean, if you want to go worldwide and say, like, You know, Muslims fighting off our shit in other countries are acts of terrorism.
You get into real murky territory.
jordan holmes
That's the thing.
One of the big problems with terrorism is that people use it as a stopgap or a catch-all.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
When terrorism is very specific, it is a group of people or a person.
Doing a relatively small thing with a big footprint in order to influence government policy.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
That's what it is.
And the thing is, the Charleston shooting was not terrorism.
It was a dude who wanted to cause a race war.
dan friesen
There's political implications to it, but yeah.
jordan holmes
Absolutely, but he wasn't trying to influence the government into doing that.
He was trying to influence white people into doing it.
dan friesen
It's this weird disconnect between, like, there is that political terrorism, but then there is just also trying to strike fear into everybody.
jordan holmes
There's definitely that.
dan friesen
So, I don't know.
I think...
jordan holmes
But that's an execution.
dan friesen
I agree with your point.
Look, it's silly, I think, to include in your...
Because Alex doesn't care about things...
jordan holmes
Yeah, why are we even pretending?
dan friesen
Well, Alex only really cares about things that are being done against the West.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
So if we include the United States and Europe into that, the attacks that are done by Muslims are...
jordan holmes
Infinitesimal.
dan friesen
Less than 6% in the United States.
Less than 2% in Europe.
And then if you want to talk about what is actually terrorism in the rest of the world, does Alex care if they do stuff to each other?
jordan holmes
Do we have any Australian terrorists?
dan friesen
I don't know.
There was that one guy.
unidentified
You know who I'm talking about.
jordan holmes
That is a vague response.
dan friesen
You know who I'm talking about.
He had a knife.
jordan holmes
He did have a knife?
dan friesen
It wasn't a knife.
jordan holmes
I didn't have a knife.
dan friesen
It was Paul Hogan.
jordan holmes
Well, the crocodile hunter did strike fear in the hearts of crocodiles.
dan friesen
There's no doubt about that.
So, I mean, look, I don't know.
It's a really complicated issue to discuss, but I know Alex's statistics are wrong.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
I know that.
jordan holmes
Whatever it is he says that's lies we are trying to make sense of.
dan friesen
So he's saying that 90% of the world's terrorism is all Muslims.
jordan holmes
Which is bananas.
dan friesen
And the rest of it is just people looking to get ransoms.
And stuff like that.
It's like kidnappings in Brazil and shit.
But then you have to say that even if you are saying that, you're not taking into account all those environmental and animal rights groups that are burning shit down.
jordan holmes
Which he should be happy to pile on with.
dan friesen
Sure, this is like that cat sanctuary.
unidentified
Yay!
jordan holmes
Yeah, just coming and throwing them on there.
Why not?
It's Muslims and Muslim sympathizers, which, as we know, are big fans of the environment.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
And animals.
dan friesen
Yep.
jordan holmes
They love them.
dan friesen
Yep.
So he's saying that they're all evil.
He's saying that that's all of what terrorism is, but some people will try and make a caveat.
alex jones
They'll point towards Oklahoma City.
That's come out in mainstream news, which is phony as a $3 bill.
Totally shut up.
Southern Poverty Law Center, running the white supremacist compound.
dan friesen
It's not true.
jordan holmes
Alright, dude.
dan friesen
It has not come out in mainstream news.
I did find an article in World News Daily that had no sourcing about this.
jordan holmes
What is World News Daily?
dan friesen
We've come up with a bunch of...
jordan holmes
Yeah, is it?
dan friesen
Yeah, it's a blog, though.
It doesn't have a cool, angry Texan doing a radio show with it.
jordan holmes
Gotta get more popular, man.
dan friesen
It's where Jerome Corsi used to work before he defected to Infowars.
Jesus Christ.
jordan holmes
So it's got great credibility.
dan friesen
Totally.
It's like Zero Hedge.
It's in that world.
jordan holmes
I don't know what Zero Hedge is.
dan friesen
It's like World News Daily.
So I found an article about it on there that had no evidence and no links to anything else.
jordan holmes
Of course.
dan friesen
There was a claim of a secret FBI memo.
But it didn't link to that.
It didn't have any...
jordan holmes
Well, it was secret.
dan friesen
But it was apparently leaked or whatever.
It didn't have a link to it.
It didn't show a copy of it.
It just claimed that it existed.
The only thing I was able to find was apparently the place, the white supremacist group that Timothy McVeigh was involved with was called Elohim City.
And apparently the Southern Poverty Law Center did have a mole inside.
jordan holmes
Really?
dan friesen
Yeah, they had infiltrated the group.
And that's how they got a lot of information about the group.
So that part is kind of true in as much as they had someone who was doing research.
Now, there's no reason to believe that this person in any way influenced Timothy McVeigh to do things that he was already prone to do based on statements he'd been making for the last 10 goddamn years before that.
There's also no reason to believe that this mole within Elohim City would have had any foreknowledge of Timothy McVeigh's plan.
Because even if you have a white supremacist group, There's no indication that you'd just be, like, at an open meeting being like, I'm gonna blow up the mirror building!
You know, that seems kind of clunky.
You can't assume that every- Hey, guys!
jordan holmes
I'm a totally cool white supremacist.
You guys like blowing shit up?
I like blowing shit up.
When are we gonna plan to blow shit up?
dan friesen
Let me tell you one thing I know about people who are involved in these sorts of fringe groups.
One of the trends that runs through all of them is a certain amount of paranoia.
A lot of them have good reason to believe that Anybody in that group could be a government mole.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Because it might be.
jordan holmes
It's a good idea to get a mole in these...
unidentified
Right!
dan friesen
You gotta know!
jordan holmes
Because these are basically...
dan friesen
They're terrorist groups.
unidentified
Yeah, exactly!
jordan holmes
You know how you want intel...
Alex, you know how you want intel on what a terrorist group in Iraq is doing?
So do we, but also on the ones in the United States.
dan friesen
They're sleeper cells here, essentially.
They are that which you are afraid of.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
So, look, it's so dumb.
It's just, again, it's making stuff up out of whole cloth.
So, I don't, look, I don't know.
unidentified
I don't know.
dan friesen
Anyway, we have one more clip of the shark jump, and in this one...
jordan holmes
Wait, wait.
So what was...
dan friesen
The shark jump is ban all Muslims.
jordan holmes
Yes.
But then he did go on after that.
Now that's not true.
I don't believe that.
What I do believe is we should ban most Muslims.
Like, how did he...
How did he think that's a shark jump?
dan friesen
Again, I don't get where he thinks satire and reality, where the line is, where sincerity falls on that spectrum.
I have no idea.
But I know that what he means is that I'm going to say that I call...
For the banning of all Muslim symbols, the closing of all mosques, the deportation of all Muslims, and then people will take that out of context.
jordan holmes
They won't point out that afterwards I said, I'm not saying that seriously.
dan friesen
Or immediately before it I said, I'm going to fuck with people.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
dan friesen
So there's a logical form of sort of dealing with arguments called reducto ad absurdum.
And that's where you take someone's argument and you point out an example of what their logic implies that turns it into absurdity.
Yeah.
unidentified
It's Italian or Latin for reduce to absurdity.
dan friesen
Yeah.
unidentified
Alex Jones in this next clip accidentally does that to his own fake argument.
dan friesen
So this is actually a real treat.
jordan holmes
Let's jump this shark.
alex jones
But separate from that, this is the logic.
This is what they're pushing.
And so, if one man killing nine people, one degenerate white person, who couldn't even get the Klan to follow him, committed that heinous act, then, ladies and gentlemen, we have to remove the Confederate flag next to the American flag.
Now they're calling to remove Mount Rushmore.
dan friesen
Again, that's my base shit.
All Mark Dice.
alex jones
Let's remove every symbol somebody uses in a wrong way.
If somebody runs over somebody with a Ford truck, I want Ford to change its symbol, change its name, and I want, by law, every Ford symbol removed, and if you don't, $10,000 fine.
And there have been people that have used Chevy cars to kill people in crowds.
I want Chevy bad.
dan friesen
So now, that is a stupid application of his logic.
It unfortunately isn't at all related to the logic of people who want the Confederate flag taken out of state buildings.
It doesn't work at all.
The only thing that him making this stupid fake argument about Chevy trucks have been used to mow down people, so ban Chevy trucks.
That only hurts your fake argument.
It only shows how different that is from anything anybody else is saying.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
So he has just fucking thrown a javelin through his argument.
jordan holmes
Yeah, he might as well have been like...
Oh, well, somebody from Iran came over here and committed a terrorist act, so we should ban all people from Iran from coming into the United States.
dan friesen
Wait, I think he is saying that now.
jordan holmes
Oh, is he saying that now?
alex jones
That's odd.
dan friesen
He might be in 2017.
jordan holmes
It's a direct one-to-one comparison?
dan friesen
It turns out that might be actually, like, all this stuff where he's claiming he's jumping the shark might be what he actually believes.
jordan holmes
It does seem like that, right?
dan friesen
Yeah, it does feel that way.
He's really careful to try...
Like, over the next couple episodes, he is like, now what I did was...
You know what?
It didn't work the way he wanted it to.
jordan holmes
Of course not.
dan friesen
I don't think anyone picked up on it.
jordan holmes
No!
dan friesen
No one was like, oh, we gotta report on this.
If he did it today, people would be fucking talking about it.
But 2015, people didn't care nearly as much.
jordan holmes
But even then, if he did it today, people would be talking about how dumb he is.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Not for saying, we should ban all Muslim symbols, but for saying...
I am going to do this as a lie, then lie, and then I'm going to tell you that I was lying about it.
dan friesen
Well, actually, knowing media matters and the way they operate, I bet they would fall for it.
jordan holmes
I think you're...
dan friesen
Well, that episode with the fill your hand yelling at Adam Schiff, they didn't talk about how he's clearly drunk on that episode.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
They aren't the best at picking up all the context of what's going on.
jordan holmes
That's true.
dan friesen
But they mean well.
I'm not trying to shit on them.
Right, right.
jordan holmes
We've already done that.
dan friesen
The shark has been jumped, Jordan.
jordan holmes
It got jumped.
dan friesen
So he ends this episode with an interview.
unidentified
He should end it with, hey!
jordan holmes
And some double guns.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Which he actually has in studio.
I meant finger guns.
He ends the episode with an interview with a pastor whose name escapes me.
It doesn't matter.
It's just about how the Confederacy was pretty cool.
jordan holmes
Oh, no.
dan friesen
But he does say this, the pastor, and this is where he loses all of his credibility.
chuck baldwin
There's never been a civilization in the history of the world that has officially embraced, promoted, and legitimized the homosexual lifestyle that has survived.
That is simply a matter of historical record.
dan friesen
Let me actually use a reducto ad absurdum argument against his.
I will do it in real time.
No cultures that didn't have Wii, didn't have Nintendo Wiis have all not survived.
There we go.
It's stupid.
It's pointless.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
It doesn't mean anything.
unidentified
No.
dan friesen
You can't imply causation between accepting homosexual lifestyles.
jordan holmes
Why did the Aztecs fade away?
dan friesen
Buttfucking.
jordan holmes
Didn't have Wiis.
dan friesen
Oh, okay.
jordan holmes
Everybody knows this.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Because Wiis have...
Properties.
I got nothing.
Yeah.
No!
Yeah, exactly!
That's just like saying all of the cultures who aren't alive now aren't alive now for any reason.
dan friesen
Right, but it's gays.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
The other thing, too, is like, hey, buddy, there are a lot of civilizations that didn't formally recognize homosexuality and they don't exist anymore either.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
So, I mean, it's...
jordan holmes
And, you know, Spartans fucked a lot.
dan friesen
They did.
jordan holmes
In the butt.
dan friesen
Yep, there was a bit of that.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Like, you understand.
jordan holmes
And they actually did embrace it pretty heavily.
dan friesen
Well, they had weird ideas about it.
jordan holmes
Well, yeah.
It wasn't gay.
Yeah, it wasn't like we're in a loving relationship.
It was like a...
dan friesen
Teaching thing.
In Athens, it was more teacherly based.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
dan friesen
That was more like, if you were a teacher and you had a pupil, you could fuck.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
But it was based on respect and that sort of thing.
jordan holmes
I don't understand that at all.
dan friesen
With Spartans, there was a lot of soldiers fucking each other.
There was stuff like that, and it was more like, we're so manly, we're gonna fuck.
unidentified
As I recall- There's nothing manlier than fucking another dude.
dan friesen
As I recall, there's some stuff in Viking history about that, too.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
You get a bunch of dudes together in a small enclosed space, sooner or later they're going to fuck.
dan friesen
Especially if you're out on a boat forever.
I feel silly bringing the Norse shit into it because I don't really know all that much about it.
But be that as it may, you could pick any hundred things about our modern culture that exists and be like, well, past civilizations didn't have this or did have this.
It's fucking dumb.
Anyway.
This guy's an asshole.
So, we have a very short way to go to get through the rest of the time, because the last couple episodes in our stretch to July 21st are terrible.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
He jumped the shark, and he fucking did not get back up.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
He crashed on that landing.
The 19th, because the 18th is Saturday, so there's no show.
19th, he does a Sunday show, and it's mostly about how the British nobility are Nazis.
Sure.
About how a picture of the Queen when she was young, a heiling Hitler, came out.
And he's been vindicated on everything he's always said.
jordan holmes
Of course.
dan friesen
And Man Cow sent him a congratulatory text.
jordan holmes
For somebody who's always being vindicated, he sure feels the need to say he's being vindicated all the time.
dan friesen
And to do whole shows about it.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
So that's kind of dumb, and I don't really care.
I don't really particularly...
I'm not all that interested in his feelings about the British nobility.
You know, they're a mess.
But we get to the 20th.
We get to Monday.
He talks more about British nobility.
And the show's boring, but he does say this.
There's one clip worth listening to here, and it's this one.
alex jones
In high school, we'd go to the beach.
jordan holmes
Oh, no!
Personal history.
alex jones
And I think it's what separated the boys from the men.
Almost all the guys would be scared to go skinny dipping with the cheerleaders.
I should tell these stories.
I feel like I'm ready to go.
And of course, something you really had to worry about out in the Gulf of Mexico at night was not so much sharks.
They're out there, but you got a better chance by being run over by an elephant than bitten by a shark is the jellyfish.
dan friesen
Jellyfish will get you.
Yep.
He skinny dipped with the babes.
And that's what separates the boys from the men.
Back then, he wasn't afraid to skinny dip with the ladies.
So it's his personal history mixed with even dumb masculine ideas.
Yeah.
jordan holmes
That's not true.
dan friesen
I believe it's probably true.
jordan holmes
I don't think it's true at all.
dan friesen
I think it's true.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
Well, not his assessment, but the fact of him skinny dipping with cheerleaders.
I believe that.
jordan holmes
Maybe.
No, I don't.
dan friesen
You see those fucking pictures of him from when he was younger?
He was swole as fuck.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
He was built like a brick shithouse, this guy.
unidentified
Alright!
dan friesen
He was fit when he was younger.
jordan holmes
I don't like the way you're talking about him right now.
dan friesen
He was also crazy.
jordan holmes
It's very disconcerting.
dan friesen
He was a bad kid.
jordan holmes
It's very Spartan of you.
You know what I'm saying.
dan friesen
He was a bad kid who got into a ton of fights, but also was...
Traditionally attractive.
So I could see him being one of these bad boys who goes skinny dipping with girls.
If he's fucking like 150 girls before he's 16. But that's not true either!
No, but we have to live inside his fantasy.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
I believe he probably did have sex with a couple people before he was 16. But believe that as it may, unimportant, it's more important that Alex is like, this is what bravery is.
Skinny dipping with girls when you're young.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
I skinny dipped.
I don't give a shit.
I don't think it was brave of me.
Anyway, we move on to the July 21st episode where we will end our investigation.
Again, no more comes up about Trump, so the actual investigation is kind of over.
But he does get back into this whole episode, mostly, on the 21st.
There's two narratives that he's spinning.
One, we're not going to talk about at all.
I'll talk about it, but we don't have any clips.
Alex is furious.
jordan holmes
This is a big new all over again.
dan friesen
Alex is furious.
That they don't let army recruiters carry guns.
There's like army recruitment centers and they don't have...
It's after the Chattanooga shooting where a guy shot some military people.
And so Alex is extrapolating that, and so Joe Biggs is on the scene at the just south of Austin Army Recruitment Center with a team of patriots with guns guarding the place.
unidentified
No.
jordan holmes
God damn it.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
These are LARPers!
dan friesen
Basically, yeah.
So Joe Biggs is out there.
He does a report.
His Skype is terrible.
It breaks up over and over again.
And he's just like, hey man, I'm out here.
Got my guns.
Gonna protect these people.
I have some experience with Army recruiters, because I don't know if it's changed.
I certainly hope it has.
But when I was in high school, the Army recruiters were in your schools.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Oh, they were in my school, too.
dan friesen
They were there, and their whole goal was to manipulate you into signing up.
jordan holmes
They were door-to-door salesmen, basically.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Our guy was super cool, because we were kids, and we didn't know any better that he was trying to get us into the Army.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
He would do James Brown impressions.
He would dance.
jordan holmes
Oh, no.
dan friesen
He was awesome.
He seemed so cool.
But as time went on, you start to realize, why does he keep asking me what my future plans are?
This is weird.
I had a couple friends who fell for it.
Ended up signing up.
I don't think any died.
Should look into that.
unidentified
Nah.
dan friesen
So, I don't care all that much about Army recruiters.
Because it isn't...
Really, the benign thing of like, oh, you want to sign up, so you go sign up.
jordan holmes
No, they're salesmen.
dan friesen
Yeah, there is a manipulative game that they're playing in order to trick people into signing up.
jordan holmes
If you have commercials for the Navy, like, join the Navy.
dan friesen
It's absurd to think that they don't get bonuses for signing people up.
It's absurd to think that there isn't quotas that they're supposed to reach.
So, I mean, they have a vested interest in kids signing away their future.
So I don't want to talk about that because I don't really give a shit and it's Joe Biggs heavy.
But Alex does say one thing that's really funny.
I wish I would have pulled this quote.
But he says, Joe Biggs is not a man to make shit up.
Flash forward to Joe Biggs getting fired for reporting on pizza games.
So the other narrative of the show that takes up most of it is these Planned Parenthood videos.
He gets back to them and he says some fucking wild stuff.
About them.
Here's the first clip.
alex jones
And when we're not doing it at the Capitol, when there's Christians just praying, trying to ban partial birth...
dan friesen
So this is about his demon narrative, about every time you're at an abortion protest, demons show up.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
I'm sorry, I forgot there was some context needed there.
alex jones
Women in flowery colors, old, young, black, white, Hispanic, mainly white and black, mainly white actually, start going...
I mean, it's interdimensional.
It's Satanism.
It's real.
Something is going on.
In every one of these videos, there's wine, caviar, lavish restaurants.
I love Lamborghinis.
Dead babies.
Yeah.
And then MSNBC's like, it's so liberal.
Oh, yeah.
dan friesen
So there we go with more classism.
But then secondly, he's talking about the Lamborghinis.
And this is something that's important to bring up.
It's based on the deceptive editing.
Of the videos.
unidentified
Uh-huh.
dan friesen
There's one lady who's having a conversation with someone about setting up a relationship where this fake research center could get tissue samples.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
Every single time that they talk about intact samples, they don't...
The people making the video want you to believe that what they're talking about is a full baby.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
And that's not what they're talking about.
unidentified
Of course not.
dan friesen
They're talking about, like, an intact liver.
Or an intact organ.
Yeah, of course.
Which is well within the legal situation, and that is what they're talking about.
jordan holmes
And they should use the whole baby.
dan friesen
Sure, like the buffalo.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
dan friesen
So the other thing is this Lamborghini thing.
There's a lady talking, and she's clearly talking to the waiter, and it's clearly...
What do you want?
unidentified
Lame.
dan friesen
I want a Lamborghini.
unidentified
Lame.
dan friesen
Yeah, but it's an old lady.
She's making a lame waiter joke.
unidentified
Lame.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
I mean, no, no, no.
I mean the editing of that.
dan friesen
I think both.
jordan holmes
Well, yeah, that's a good point.
dan friesen
So Alex tries to make the claim that they're buying Lamborghinis based on these baby monies and stuff like that.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
And I just feel the need to clarify it.
I mean, I watched all these videos today.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Just in preparation, and it's so clear that this is a fucking manipulative cut and that she's not talking to the camera.
jordan holmes
Of course not.
dan friesen
So here we go.
alex jones
Oh, yeah.
Oh, yeah.
Caitlyn Jenner.
Oh, we got the moral high ground.
unidentified
Sure, let's throw that one in there while we're on it.
alex jones
It's crazy.
These people are demons.
They just appear and start crawling out of trash cans.
One guy ran and hid in a dumpster.
I mean, they're like...
dan friesen
He might have been Oscar the Grinch.
That's not really demonic as much as it is Hobo or Sesame Street.
So, I don't...
Anyway, I don't know.
jordan holmes
Demons!
unidentified
Demons!
alex jones
And when you confront them, they'll actually just basically roll around on the ground like in Christ's time, saying, we are legion!
You are legion!
jordan holmes
You saw the movie Constantine!
Sick of you!
Ugh!
alex jones
It's like wearing the glasses, folks.
I'm telling you, it's like They Live.
In fact, maybe I should just settle down and play that six-minute piece that McBreen put together from They Live, and we had Rowdy Piper on, because, you know, I feel like Rowdy Piper was trying to get...
His buddy, to put the glasses on, he won't do it.
He goes, put these glasses on or start eating concrete, man.
I mean, once you see it, there's no going back.
unidentified
Just take the red pill, people!
dan friesen
Another movie.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
alex jones
Do you really want to side with ghoul women over 200 bottle red wine?
dan friesen
Classism.
jordan holmes
Yes.
alex jones
Talking about Lamborghinis from baby parts sales.
jordan holmes
They sound like a lot more fun than you.
alex jones
I mean, do you really want that on your conscience?
I don't even know if I can do the show at this point.
I just...
jordan holmes
Oh, my God.
dan friesen
What a douche.
jordan holmes
Yeah, come on.
alex jones
You know why I don't like it?
When the cops pull me over and give me a ticket.
It's not that I'm mad they're giving me a ticket for speeding.
I shouldn't be speeding.
It's dangerous.
It's not good.
I get we've got to have some law and order.
unidentified
What's happening?
alex jones
It's that they'll be...
Is there a reason you were speeding 10 miles over the speed limit?
Like, is there a reason you're not arresting people selling baby parts?
dan friesen
Well, yeah, because...
unidentified
Because it's not illegal!
dan friesen
And it's not what's happening.
It's not that they're selling baby parts.
jordan holmes
They're not selling baby parts!
dan friesen
It's so crazy.
And that whole thing, like, do you want to side with these evil women?
Like, well, I mean, based on the truth, yes.
Because they're not evil.
jordan holmes
Well, also, even if they were evil, they sound like a lot of fun.
dan friesen
I like Chianti.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I would go to a white wine party.
dan friesen
I like a nice red wine.
jordan holmes
A Lamborghini?
I've never driven one of those.
dan friesen
She doesn't have one.
She clearly is telling away that she wants one.
jordan holmes
We just want a Lamborghini.
She's aspiring.
She's got ambition.
dan friesen
There is a great moment that, again, I didn't cut this clip just because of time constraints, but Alex says, defending Planned Parenthood when these videos come out is going to blow back on you.
And it's so ironic because he never...
Well, I don't know.
I can't say for certain.
We'll find out as this investigation goes on, but I guarantee he never is like, I'm sorry that I reported this.
jordan holmes
Of course not.
dan friesen
I know that it was manipulative.
I'm still against abortion.
Which would be the respectable thing to do.
If he was like, I'm against abortion, I have a principle that even up to the first trimester, I don't think it's okay, I believe it's a human.
If he were to say that, I'm sorry, these videos were manipulative, it was propaganda, I fell for it, I'm sorry.
If he were to say that, I would respect the hell out of it.
And I'd be like, it's okay.
jordan holmes
I don't think any conservative outlet has said that.
dan friesen
Certainly a lot of people in the House and Senate had to.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Well, that's true.
dan friesen
When they did investigations.
jordan holmes
That's true.
They did.
But I don't think the news really...
I don't think the opinion slash news media for the conservative propaganda machine ever was like, well, guys, we got it wrong.
And I'm pretty certain that Fox News isn't reporting too much on the trial of those guys.
dan friesen
No.
Much like Hannity is not going to apologize for Seth Rich shit.
Of course not.
So he gets into...
This next clip is a bit more about the Planned Parenthood stuff.
But what's important here is the video is a lie.
The videos that he's talking about are lies.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Now he's going to lie about the lie.
He's going to...
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
He's going to editorialize and add things that aren't in those videos in order to grow the demonicness of it or the villainy of it.
So even if he's just reporting on the video, that is reporting on a lie.
This is lying about a lie.
Right.
That's fascinating to me.
That's, like, next-level propaganda.
jordan holmes
Oh, well, when you multiply negative two by negative two, you wind up getting positive four, so...
dan friesen
That tracks.
jordan holmes
Yep.
alex jones
Trendy women lisping, driving brand-new Mercedes, drinking 200-bottle red wine, talking and smacking, and going, let me try not to chop them up in too big a...
unidentified
And just kind of thrusting around, oh, yeah, oh, yeah.
jordan holmes
That's what he sounds like when he fucks.
alex jones
Like their Amy Winehouse singing some blues jazz riff.
But you're not on stage turning on a bunch of men.
You're a sick freak talking about baby parts.
It's not like you're in front of your husband in the bedroom.
You're talking about dead body parts and they're just wiggling around in their chair.
I can't do it anymore.
I'm about to throw up.
I actually just have to throw up.
I want to wipe from these people.
I don't like them!
jordan holmes
This is why you're not in movies!
alex jones
You understand?
They're coming!
jordan holmes
You're a terrible actor!
dan friesen
Jordan, I'm sorry.
I have to go back because...
Look, you're right.
alex jones
I threw up a little bit in my belly.
unidentified
You're right to yell, but we've got to get a clean take of what happens after he fakes throwing up, because it's so funny.
dan friesen
He's so dumb.
First of all, the lie on the lie, too, is these women aren't squirming around and acting like they're sexually excited.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I don't know what it is he's fucking talking about.
dan friesen
He's trying to weave his narrative that he has built up in the past.
jordan holmes
They're demons.
It turns them on.
dan friesen
People who are pro-abortion have some sort of a sexualized thing about it.
Killing babies.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
It's all nonsense, but he's trying to make this lie match up with his pre-existing lie, and it doesn't work.
If you watch the videos, that doesn't match up at all.
unidentified
No.
dan friesen
Also, he says that they are driving Lamborghinis.
The lady says she wants a Lamborghini.
There's no indication that she has one.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
And who cares if they're drinking wine, you asshole?
Anyway, here we go.
jordan holmes
Hey, real Americans drink Pabst.
dan friesen
All right, fair enough.
I kind of agree with that.
alex jones
I can't handle it anymore.
I'm about to throw up.
I actually just had to throw up.
I went away from these people.
I don't like them!
They say our kids belong to them!
You understand?
They're coming!
They're coming for us!
God, I can't stand them!
They're dangerous!
jordan holmes
They're even uncool.
dan friesen
They're so uncool.
jordan holmes
They're so uncool.
dan friesen
So, at the end of this show...
He has, like I said, he does more of this Joe Biggs stuff.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
He says more bullshit about Planned Parenthood stuff, but I think we've gotten all we're going to get out of that.
Yeah.
Then, he has the on-air debut of his 12-year-old son, Rex Jones.
jordan holmes
Oh, no.
Rex Jones.
unidentified
No.
dan friesen
He does an admirable book report, and I don't want to make fun of him again because he's a child.
jordan holmes
Was it on the big news?
dan friesen
No, it was about GMO.
jordan holmes
Oh, okay.
We just...
Let's move on.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
I'm just gonna get mad.
dan friesen
Look, I...
jordan holmes
I'm just gonna get mad.
You know I'm gonna get mad.
dan friesen
Because I have sympathies for him because he doesn't know any better.
jordan holmes
Uh-huh.
dan friesen
I think he did a great job for a 12-year-old doing a news report.
unidentified
Okay.
dan friesen
I know people in high school in my broadcast production class that did way worse stories than he did.
jordan holmes
Under way less pressure.
dan friesen
But he also had all the InfoWars money and team behind him.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
I'm sure he didn't edit it himself.
jordan holmes
I'm sure he did.
dan friesen
He did a fine job, but also...
jordan holmes
His dad forced him to edit it himself.
dan friesen
It's really, really fucked up.
unidentified
You won't get your peas until you finish this!
dan friesen
It's really, really, really fucked up the way Alex does this.
He has Rex on, and he's talking about how he's going to be even greater than him in the InfoWars.
And it's really putting a lot of pressure on a 12-year-old.
jordan holmes
Everything the light touches.
dan friesen
What is 12?
That's like 5th, 6th grade?
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
That's a lot of pressure to know about globalists.
jordan holmes
Yeah, well, if your voice hasn't even changed and you're already being primed to fight the globalists, man, you got a big head start.
dan friesen
So Alex plays his report.
And before that, he has him sitting in studio, and he does the, like, you're gonna be greater than even me, you're a sharp kid, I love you so much, calls him sweetheart.
It's very weird.
And it's very weird, especially considering he now doesn't have custody of him.
jordan holmes
But be that as it may, again, whether or not he's a good dad, he's a fucking lunatic.
dan friesen
Before he intros Rex, he has him sitting there.
Well, he doesn't add.
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
So Rex is sitting at the desk.
jordan holmes
No, Rex is sitting there.
That's why you had me write Super Male Vitality down.
dan friesen
I did.
jordan holmes
Rex is sitting there looking over at his dad selling boner.
dan friesen
It's not quite the way you think it's gonna go.
jordan holmes
Oh, no.
dan friesen
But you did get it, that it has to do with super vitality.
jordan holmes
Is he gonna say something like, that's how we got you, Rex?
Because if he does, that's gonna creep me out a lot.
dan friesen
Uh, no, because that, I don't think I would've cut out.
I think that would be like...
jordan holmes
You would've let that one in?
Okay.
dan friesen
No, this actually put the mic down, because this accidentally might be the most progressive Alex Jones has ever been.
Which is really just a sell product.
alex jones
I'm gonna give you a little newsflash.
The only thing different about superfemale vitality is it has frisky goatweed.
It has a different name, corny goatweed.
It's got a scientific name, and it's more of an aphrodisiac.
It has all the same stuff the male stuff has in it, and it does some other things to your body, not just the libido.
But it's superfemale, quite frankly, is the formula I like best, even more than supermale, but group debates that with me.
It's different for everybody.
And they go, Alex, it's not too good if you say you take female vitality on air.
Whatever.
dan friesen
Alex Jones, welcome to the party.
unidentified
He couldn't...
jordan holmes
That's like, it doesn't matter if I take male or female.
alex jones
It's all bullshit anyway.
dan friesen
We gendered these herbs.
I don't know why we did that.
jordan holmes
There's no point in doing it.
dan friesen
Maybe he could learn a lesson from that.
jordan holmes
Maybe he could stop calling them male and female and instead let them choose what they want to be.
dan friesen
These horny herbs.
It's got horny goat weed in it.
I sell supplements on my website that you could buy in a truck stop bathroom.
It's the only place I've seen fucking horny goat weed sold out of those condom dispensers at a fucking gas station.
jordan holmes
It'll get you going.
That's why they call it horny goat weed.
Get it?
dan friesen
Yeah, I guess so.
Anyway, that brings us to the end of July 21st and thus the end of our part four of our investigation of what happened to Alex Jones.
So far, we see little evolution in his feelings towards Donald Trump, except to say that.
jordan holmes
He loves some bigotry.
dan friesen
He does love that, and maybe someone told him to stop talking about his mob ties.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
I didn't speculate about that earlier, but I might as well hear it at the end.
The stuff that he was saying about Trump before this was basically vague accusations of crimes.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
So there's a decent chance someone was like, dude, you gotta stop that.
jordan holmes
Not necessarily in nefarious ways, but just like, hey, this dude, it could be, but it could also just be somebody being like, hey, that is something you could be sued for.
dan friesen
We know his lawyers aren't that good.
jordan holmes
That's a good point.
dan friesen
So he might have had someone who touched him and was like, hey, you gotta calm down on that.
So he decided he's not going to attack Trump anymore, but even in that speech, he still says he doesn't trust him and thinks he's going to betray everyone.
There's no evolution for the rest of the time, but fuck was that shark jumping fun.
That was insanity.
That was complete nonsense.
And then beyond that, what else do we have?
Oh, Alex is an idiot and he believes propaganda about Planned Parenthood.
jordan holmes
I just love the abortion protesters.
He literally...
And not in a figurative way, like he described Hillary Clinton as a demon and smells like sulfur as a way of describing all of this stuff.
dan friesen
Flies land on it.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
He's literally saying it is something interdimensional and that at these abortion protests they fucking appear out of the ground and if you confront them they will contort on the ground saying we are legion.
dan friesen
Yep.
And they are Legion, and he's sick of them.
jordan holmes
Makes him throw up a little bit.
unidentified
I just throw up in my mouth a little bit.
That was so terrible.
dan friesen
That was real bad.
jordan holmes
That was really bad.
He's gotta take an acting class.
dan friesen
It's one of the few times that I've been listening to the show and I legitimately blurt laughed.
You asshole!
unidentified
You are such an asshole!
dan friesen
I was like...
jordan holmes
Come on, man.
Use sense memory.
Use something.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Take an acting class.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
So, if you'd like to, you can find us on the internet.
jordan holmes
At knowledgefight.com?
dan friesen
Correct.
And we'll be back soon with another installment of this investigation.
I hope it picks up.
We are getting close to August where the first debate happens.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
So, we'll see.
Again, Roger Stone has not shown up yet.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
Steve Pachanek is not there.
I actually want to make this clear.
jordan holmes
What?
dan friesen
I remember...
On our last episode, we didn't spell this out enough.
We danced around it a little bit.
Let me see if I can find the best way to say this.
Alex needs to be lied to in order to get on board with Trump.
Whole hog.
Because of the things he knows about him and the lack of trust.
He knows about these connections that he has to mobs.
He knows about Russia connections.
X, Y, and Z. So in order for him to get on board, what we said is he needs another compelling thing, which we speculated would be this culture war stuff.
I regret that I didn't point out that that's Steve Pachenik's role in the whole con.
Steve Pachenik is there to give the, Russia didn't hack this stuff, it was patriots within our government.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
So Steve Pachenik is there functionally as the cover for the lies that Roger Stone is going to tell him.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
That's what I think.
jordan holmes
All right.
dan friesen
But it's probably more likely it's just bigotry.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Boy, everything could be nefarious, but it could also just be bigotry.
dan friesen
The reason that I think it has to be nefarious...
jordan holmes
Which is very much like the entirety of American history.
dan friesen
True.
The reason I think it has to be nefarious, though, is it's such a wild coincidence that all of these people would change their mind in exactly the same way at exactly the same time.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
But anyway, we'll find out on the next...
jordan holmes
Well, Trump did unite us.
dan friesen
Yeah, he was a uniter.
jordan holmes
Well, he united them.
dan friesen
Yeah.
I just threw up in my mouth.
jordan holmes
Oh, that was pretty good.
I believed it.
You can also follow us on Twitter.
dan friesen
If you don't want to throw up in your mouth, check out our Twitter.
At knowledge underscore fight.
jordan holmes
Look us up on iTunes.
Leave reviews.
That's nice.
Send us more emails that are really filled with positive things about Dan and just hateful shit about me.
I read it, Brian.
I know what's up.
dan friesen
Oh, boy.
So, yeah, and beyond that, if you'd like to donate to the show, if you'd like to become a policy wonk, you can.
There's a button on knowledgefight.com that says support the show.
You can check that out.
Give us money.
jordan holmes
Yes, please.
dan friesen
Other than that, I don't know, man.
The fourth hour is back.
jordan holmes
Which means Rappaport still lives!
alex jones
Andy in Kansas, you're on the air.
Thanks for holding.
unidentified
Hello, Alex.
jordan holmes
I'm a first-time caller.
unidentified
I'm a huge fan.
I love your work.
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