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May 29, 2017 - Knowledge Fight
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#45: May 25, 2017

Today, Dan tells Jordan about what happened on the May 25th episode of The Alex Jones Show. Topics include: Jerome Corsi has discovered information that may get him killed Alex has figured out how the media coverage of Trump's coverage of Russia works JEROME CORSI HAS DISCOVERED INFORMATION THAT MAY GET HIM KILLED

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a
alex jones
19:54
d
dan friesen
01:33:26
j
jordan holmes
59:15
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larry nichols
01:12
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Speaker Time Text
alex jones
Andy in Kansas, you're on the air.
Thanks for holding.
unidentified
Hello, Alex.
I'm a first-time caller.
I'm a huge fan.
I love your work.
alex jones
I love you.
dan friesen
Hey, everybody.
Welcome back to Knowledge Fight.
I'm Dan.
jordan holmes
I'm Jordan.
dan friesen
We're a couple of dudes who like to sit around and drink novelty beverages and talk about Alex Jones.
Today on the docket, this is a Jordan pick.
What do we got?
jordan holmes
We have Bi-Bubbles.
dan friesen
B-A-I.
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
Great.
jordan holmes
Go ahead and take a sip, Dan.
dan friesen
Oh, yeah.
I guess that's what I should do.
jordan holmes
Yep.
While you're doing that, Dan, you know a lot about Alex Jones.
dan friesen
It's true.
jordan holmes
And I don't know why you quit drinking.
That's the reality of the situation.
dan friesen
That's a good summation.
I don't either.
Quite frankly, this makes me want to get drunk.
jordan holmes
I don't know what it tastes like, but bad is definitely whatever it is.
dan friesen
It tastes like crystal light.
jordan holmes
Oh, yeah, I can see that.
dan friesen
This does not need to deteriorate into a bizarre beverage review podcast.
We're here on a mission.
We're here to talk about Alex Jones.
Guys, we got some exciting announcements.
jordan holmes
Yes, we do.
You have been nonstop telling me about them, but unfortunately, due to the constraints of this podcast, I don't know what any of them goddamn are.
dan friesen
So many texts like, oh my god!
jordan holmes
Yeah, I know!
It's like edging.
You're doing a weird porn thing to me.
dan friesen
A lot of it is not going to be released right now.
jordan holmes
God damn it, Dan!
dan friesen
So I should tell everybody, we are about to embark on an in-depth investigation that I've been doing behind the scenes for the last month or so.
And our first episode in that investigation will drop tomorrow.
However, we recorded it last weekend.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
So we're still drinking wine on that episode.
And it's too long.
jordan holmes
That's right.
That's right.
I forgot about that.
dan friesen
But I wanted to hold on to it until the investigation got a little bit deeper.
And it has.
And time is of the essence.
jordan holmes
Okay!
dan friesen
Because I think disaster is right around the corner.
jordan holmes
In life or for Alex Jones?
dan friesen
For Alex Jones.
jordan holmes
I mean, both, I'm assuming.
dan friesen
We'll get into it in depth as we discuss today's episode, which is May 25th.
Of this year, 2017, that was this Thursday, gonna go over all the crazy shit that happened.
Alex Jones, he's lost it.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
And this is fucking over the top.
jordan holmes
No.
Way more...
dan friesen
You'll see.
jordan holmes
Okay, okay.
dan friesen
But before we get into it, here's an out-of-context drop from someone who ends up being a guest on this episode.
His name is Larry Nichols, and you'll learn a ton more about him in tomorrow's episode.
But just for fun, here's an out of context.
jordan holmes
You're edging our crowd, too.
Totally.
Okay.
God damn it, you tease.
dan friesen
Here's an out of context drop of something Larry Nichols said on a 2015 appearance of his on the show.
larry nichols
Y 'all may not know it, but back when Hillary was first lady, she would go home the weekends to California with Linda Budworth, Thomas, and some of the other ladies that decided women.
And they went to a church for witches.
unidentified
Witches.
larry nichols
Witches.
Do you want your president?
Remember that lady that was trying to run from the Senate and sometimes she'd gone to some place where they did...
jordan holmes
I bet she's a witch.
larry nichols
Hillary went to a church and worshipped Satan.
dan friesen
I love that so much.
jordan holmes
Witches.
dan friesen
Witches.
jordan holmes
Witches?
dan friesen
But you even take that away.
I had to listen to that clip like ten times because I'm like...
Is he saying that Hillary Clinton hung out with people from Designing Women?
I looked it up.
He was saying that.
jordan holmes
He was saying that the women from Designing Women.
dan friesen
Well, not like Meshack Taylor or Delta Burke.
jordan holmes
Right, but...
To that end.
dan friesen
The producer of Designing Women.
jordan holmes
Is a witch.
dan friesen
I don't know.
jordan holmes
And Hillary went to a church, a coven, I believe is, thanks Larry.
Get it fucking right.
dan friesen
Nichols doesn't care about nomenclature.
jordan holmes
Learn more about, watch the craft at least, Larry Nichols.
dan friesen
I think what he's going on is the lady's last name is Bloodworth.
I think that's what he's going on.
jordan holmes
Open and shut case.
That's all I needed.
unidentified
Witch.
jordan holmes
Her last name's Bloodworth.
unidentified
Witch.
dan friesen
Also, I'd like to, before we get started in earnest, I'd like to give a shout out to Donator that I don't believe we've given a shout out to yet.
unidentified
Witches.
dan friesen
This one's going out to you, Ryan.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
dan friesen
Congratulations.
Welcome to the team.
jordan holmes
Welcome aboard, Ryan.
dan friesen
I apologize if I'm doubling back and giving someone a second policy wonk status.
But anyway, Jordan.
jordan holmes
If you do get a second policy wonk status, we will, of course, invoice you for the second donation.
dan friesen
You're obligated to return it of your own volition.
We're not going to hunt you down.
So, Jordan.
Yes?
I don't even want to tell you anything about what's going to happen, because I want to watch you discover how seriously fucked up this episode is.
jordan holmes
Great, great.
dan friesen
So I'm not going to give any context.
Let's just listen to the first clip.
unidentified
He aligns himself with the truth, and it's time for you to choose a side.
alex jones
You're listening to Alex Jones.
Ladies and gentlemen, the information I've got is so big, so powerful, that I'm going to go ahead and just air a three-minute report by Paul Watson, because I need to just catch my breath and collate the information I've got.
Because it's so important.
unidentified
Why didn't you do that before you started the fucking show?
alex jones
You're a professional!
But this country is in a civil war.
jordan holmes
Alright.
alex jones
The White House knows that.
This country's in a fight for its life.
We have Seth Rich info.
We have White House info.
We have Press Corps info.
We have foreign information on Russia.
We have so much today that's so huge.
Much bigger than Watergate.
And it's all coming up.
jordan holmes
I agree.
alex jones
After this break.
So we're just going to go ahead and go to this report from Paul Joseph Watson that just gives you an idea of the type of trash we're dealing with.
unidentified
Katy Perry is a complete idiot.
jordan holmes
That's what we go directly to.
Katy Perry is an idiot.
dan friesen
It's three minutes of a report about, fuck you, Katy Perry.
jordan holmes
That's it?
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
They hired Paul Joseph Watson to really finally take it to Katy Perry.
Is it because they're Taylor Swift fans?
Is that what it is?
dan friesen
Unfortunately, no.
It has nothing to do with Left Shark.
unidentified
Okay.
dan friesen
It's because after the Manchester bombing, she went on a radio show and said...
That we should all try and love each other and promote unity, and we don't need borders and this sort of thing.
jordan holmes
Oh yeah, that does sound stupid.
dan friesen
It does sound like, well, the borders part is probably unfortunate phrasing.
jordan holmes
Hey, loving people?
Nuh-uh.
I'm like, getting it.
dan friesen
The rest of it's real strong stuff from Katy Perry.
Look, I'm not gonna go to bed for Katy Perry.
She seems to be doing a really weird thing these days.
jordan holmes
Who cares?
dan friesen
Seems to be acting like a little bit of a...
jordan holmes
Who cares about Katy Perry?
dan friesen
That's the more important part.
jordan holmes
Zero care!
dan friesen
Especially when you start your show, like, I've got fucking huge political information that's going, it's bigger than Watergate, now let my London friend talk shit on a pop star.
jordan holmes
Why?
That was the beginning of the show, and his first words are like, dude, we gotta get this information ready for you.
We have been fucking sleeping up until this point.
dan friesen
I've been jacking my dick.
jordan holmes
Yeah, what were you guys doing?
dan friesen
Yeah.
He claims to wake up at, like, five in the morning.
He goes on air at eleven.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
So, like, what are you doing for that six hours of not collating this information?
I have no fucking idea.
unidentified
What?
dan friesen
We're gonna get to it.
jordan holmes
What is he doing for that six hours?
dan friesen
We're not gonna get to that.
I have no idea.
jordan holmes
Does he have a hyperbaric chamber that he just sits in?
dan friesen
He does have an elliptical.
He talks about that a lot.
Oh, that's another thing we should bring up.
jordan holmes
Five straight hours of ellipticaling.
dan friesen
All right.
Everybody is clowning hard on Alex Jones because there was a before and after picture of him that came out.
jordan holmes
With the super male vitality.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
All the supplements.
Not even just super male vitality.
jordan holmes
Just all of them?
dan friesen
Yeah, I guess.
jordan holmes
It made him turn red.
dan friesen
Basically.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
I argue he's a little bit more defined.
But anyway, everyone has been tweeting or texting that picture to me.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right.
dan friesen
And I'm fucking sick of it.
So here's what I'm going to do.
Starting today.
Memorial Day.
jordan holmes
We're going to have an animation contest.
dan friesen
No.
jordan holmes
Over who can...
Okay.
Sorry.
dan friesen
I am going to take none of Alex Jones' supplements and I'm going to create before and after pictures of myself and see if I can get better results than Alex Jones without his supplements.
jordan holmes
Alright, well that's the least scientific thing I've ever heard, but excellent.
dan friesen
This will end on July 13th, and at the end of it you'll at least get a shirtless picture of me.
jordan holmes
Alright, alright!
dan friesen
So enjoy that to look forward to.
Anyway, we're kind of fucking getting off track.
jordan holmes
Oh, are we?
dan friesen
This is a real serious episode.
Oh, okay.
They got off track by talking about Katy Perry.
jordan holmes
They really get into Katy Perry.
dan friesen
Yeah, actually they do.
That can't be real!
There's two more special reports later.
One of them is from John Bowne, and it's all about how Katy Perry is a Satanist.
jordan holmes
Right.
unidentified
Which?
dan friesen
Why are you going after her in two special reports?
unidentified
Which?
dan friesen
Well, they say that she's part of the Illuminati and they worship the devil.
jordan holmes
Oh, okay.
dan friesen
And then they implicate...
jordan holmes
Who doesn't worship the devil these days?
dan friesen
I don't know.
jordan holmes
There's a lot of devil worshippers out there.
unidentified
Hillary.
dan friesen
Katy Perry.
unidentified
Witch.
jordan holmes
Double witch.
dan friesen
They implicate The Rock also.
jordan holmes
Well, he's obviously the warlock leader of our devil-worshipping coven.
That makes sense?
dan friesen
On Saturday Night Live in one of the sketches...
jordan holmes
Double, double toil, and can you smell what The Rock is cooking?
dan friesen
Listen, are you...
Are you into Satan?
It doesn't matter if you're into Satan!
unidentified
And I'm gonna give you the Satan's elbow!
dan friesen
Becomes the demonic elbow.
When he was on Saturday Night Live this last week in one of the sketches he said, Hail Satan.
And that's what they use as their evidence that maybe The Rock is on their team too.
jordan holmes
Sold.
dan friesen
Yep.
unidentified
Great.
dan friesen
Anyway, like I said.
jordan holmes
Although, it does make perfect sense that they get off on Katy Perry, because that's what the right-wing news has been doing this entire week of just like, and Kushner has clearly committed treason on every other network, and they're like, what is it with Katy Perry and Ariana Grande?
dan friesen
Ariana Grande seems like a bitch!
What is going on here?
jordan holmes
Guys!
dan friesen
But to be fair to Alex, at this point, on the 25th, when this episode came out, That specific news about Kushner trying to get the back channel shit going did not exist.
jordan holmes
Not happened yet.
dan friesen
So he doesn't know that, but I think he knows it.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
Because there is a real sense of urgency in this episode, and a real sense of the sky is falling.
jordan holmes
We gotta get out in front of this.
dan friesen
We gotta get out in front of something.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
And it has to do...
jordan holmes
Dark clouds are rising on the horizon.
dan friesen
And the only man that can save them is our propagandist-in-chief...
Jerome Corsi.
jordan holmes
Oh, fucking Corsi.
alex jones
Corsi.
I've known Corsi.
He's been coming on 14 years.
He's got three number one New York Times bestselling political books.
He's changed the course of at least one election.
The guy does not make stuff up.
dan friesen
He does.
alex jones
That's why he's so hated by the left.
That's why the globalists want to try to keep him out of the White House press briefings, which they've been unsuccessful to do, because they don't want somebody that's been friends with Trump for 44 years.
Somebody who's had dinner with Trump many times, including last year, and who was at a dinner event with Mike Pence last week, they don't want him being in the press gallery because he will ask real questions.
And then all the other phony reporters that are in there, they will be shown up as the frauds they are.
That's why they say he's fake news.
That's why they say we're fake news.
It's because they're the fake news.
We're going to document that today.
dan friesen
They don't.
But the thing that I was trying to get at there was that...
You should not be in the press corps if you're personal friends with the president.
jordan holmes
It's usually a bad idea.
We should have, like, an adversarial press corps.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
It seems like, though, the way that we would, you know, have the most success in holding our institutionals accountable.
As opposed to just putting a bunch of Trump's buddies.
dan friesen
Yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
Hey, Trump!
unidentified
They don't want him in there because he's known him for 50 years.
jordan holmes
Yeah!
Hey, Trump!
A breaking question from InfoWars.
How do you feel about dogs?
Do you like dogs?
dan friesen
Do you remember that time we hung out 22 years ago when I was 50?
unidentified
What?
jordan holmes
Hey, Trump!
Pressing question.
You got that 20 bucks I loaned you?
dan friesen
This is on the record.
Would you like to come to my lake house again?
Yeah, that's crazy.
That's like, I mean, you're right.
You do want an adversarial press.
But I think maybe the ideal situation is a, like, respectful, friendly, jocular enemies.
You know, like, I don't think it's good for people to be yelling at each other or things like that.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
But I do think that, you know, you can have, like, ah, curses.
You know, like, that sort of thing.
jordan holmes
Press.
dan friesen
You got me again.
I like that sort of thing.
jordan holmes
Your level of anger is a Dudley Dugat cartoon.
unidentified
Yes, absolutely.
jordan holmes
That's what you're talking about.
dan friesen
Yeah, Roadrunner Wile E. Coyote.
jordan holmes
Gotcha, gotcha.
dan friesen
I don't know.
jordan holmes
All right.
I have a large question.
dan friesen
I'm going to have a medium answer.
jordan holmes
So, we're all unhappy about Corsi being in the press briefing room.
dan friesen
Big time.
But again, it's a weekly pass.
jordan holmes
Now, I have a question, and that is, what is the bad thing that could happen there?
Like, do you know what I'm saying?
Like, I know he's there.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
And my question is, so?
dan friesen
Well, here's one of the problems.
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
He's going to use the credibility that comes along with being in the White House press corps in order to boost bullshit that he would have just made up earlier.
jordan holmes
What credibility?
What credibility could InfoWars suddenly receive by being in the White House press briefing?
I think it's a disappointment, but I don't think it can do any damage.
dan friesen
You're looking at this wrong.
You're looking at this wrong, because you're using the real world.
You need to look at this through the prism of people who are inclined to or already believe InfoWars might be real.
Those people, it's going to really reinforce a lot of the lies.
And the fictitious narratives that they push, that he has that proximity to power.
He has that proximity to the official shit.
That is going to give him a lot of leeway?
Nah, leeway is not the right word.
It'll boost things for him, I think.
jordan holmes
I don't know.
I don't see anybody who is...
Well, one, I don't see a positive or negative out of the...
Press briefings, other than sometimes we get to laugh at how just wildly incompetent and impotent Sean Spicer is.
dan friesen
And how so close to attractive Sarah Huckabee Sanders is.
jordan holmes
Oh, so close!
If she were attractive, man, the fact that she's brilliant, that would really matter.
dan friesen
We're making fun of Alex not saying these things about her in case you didn't hear that episode.
jordan holmes
Alex is a prick.
dan friesen
I agree with you.
In terms of the press briefing stuff, it's not really that bad, except for the possibility of disruption.
But, I mean, who cares even at that point?
jordan holmes
Yeah, exactly.
That would actually just be kind of funny.
dan friesen
You know how when someone walks around with, like, fake medals and stuff like that?
jordan holmes
Do you mean like, I don't know, the Department of Homeland Security guy now?
dan friesen
Yeah, it's called Stolen Valor.
And it's a really, really undignified and insulting thing to do.
Because you're basically taking away from and minimizing what soldiers do.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
I think that there is a journalistic version of that.
There's a stolen...
Journalism or whatever.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
That could be applied to Corsi because of his proximity to the actual press.
jordan holmes
Okay, so your theory is that this is going to give him legitimacy in the eyes of the people who believed three million immigrants voted in the last election but don't necessarily believe all of Infowars.
Now they're kind of, because they're already out in that bullshit of like, why couldn't three million immigrants have voted?
That kind of a thing.
So if he gets even that little bit more of a modicum of credibility, they're much more likely to take Infowars seriously, whereas before they weren't necessarily on board.
dan friesen
Let me even take it a step further.
I do agree with that.
But let me even say that there are people who just aren't really engaged with what Infowars is.
They aren't really aware of it as an institution.
unidentified
Yeah!
dan friesen
So it's the normalization, too, that comes from it.
There is like, oh, I mean, of course he's a real journalist.
He's there.
People have never looked into things at all.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
It gives automatic credibility to someone who absolutely doesn't deserve it.
But anyway, look, that conversation is good.
I don't know.
I think it's bad, but you're right.
There were parts of it that were like, eh, who cares?
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
My bigger thing is, hey, it's going to wear off anyway.
I mean, it's not going to be there forever.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right.
dan friesen
But, shit is getting real.
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
You need to know that.
jordan holmes
I do need to know that.
dan friesen
And here, this is the sort of thing that Jerome Corsi can pull when he has White House credentials.
And, it's pretty fucked up.
jordan holmes
Okay.
alex jones
But just to understand this.
Corsi is very credible.
And Corsi has proven he's credible.
And I got off the phone with him this morning, and for the first time in 14, 15 years knowing him, he said, you can tell people if I get killed over the weekend that it was X, Y, and Z. And you're going to need to talk to this person, let's just say, who's in the legislative branch.
If I am killed, they have the data.
And I will come on your broadcast Tuesday and I will break it all, but I've not been authorized to do so until Tuesday.
And then he told me four bombshells, two of which I can begin to give you, the other two I can't.
But for the first time knowing Corsi, 14 years, he's never been dramatic like this.
He said, if they kill me, he said, listen, Alex, this is very dangerous.
You need to be very careful as well.
And then he filled me in on some of the stuff going on behind the scenes.
There is a war in this country.
This is not just an information war.
It's already hot.
And the Democrats and the globalists, they mean to totally take this country down.
dan friesen
That sort of thing would not fly nearly as well from a blogger, let's say.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
Someone who doesn't have supposed official access to government inner workings and stuff like that.
jordan holmes
Now I see that much more clearly, yeah.
Because based on that little thing there...
dan friesen
By the way, I'm going to feel like a huge asshole if Jerome Corsi dies this weekend.
jordan holmes
I am not.
I'm going to be like, fuck yeah!
Fuck Jerome Corsi, he's dead?
dan friesen
Well, definitely fuck him, but if by some weird coincidence he ends up dying, I will...
Have egg on my face.
For sure.
But I think that this is absolutely part of his we need to create a propaganda campaign.
jordan holmes
Now, do you actually think Corsi said any of that bullshit?
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Okay, so Corsi told...
dan friesen
I bet him and Alex collaborated on a narrative.
jordan holmes
On creating this narrative, not like actually...
He didn't actually say any of that bullshit.
dan friesen
Maybe he did, though, because as we're discovering...
jordan holmes
Alex is very malleable himself.
dan friesen
There are a lot of people who are very good at manipulating Alex to do what they want him to do to achieve their ends.
And it's entirely possible Corsi just realized, I'm gonna freak Alex out.
Because then he'll do exactly what I want him to do.
It's possible.
jordan holmes
But of course he is just fucking with him.
God, I want to live in a better world where Corsi is just like, God, once a month I'm just going to make Alex feel like everything is fucking insane.
dan friesen
You know what I bet is even more likely?
Jerome Corsi is like, fuck, I'm boring.
I am so boring.
Alex clearly likes Mike Cernovich so much more than me.
Keeps talking about loving Rappaport.
jordan holmes
I have to create a moment.
dan friesen
What am I gonna do?
Okay, I'll pretend that I'm Deep Throat or some shit.
jordan holmes
So, if he dies over the weekend, one...
dan friesen
Again, I'll feel like an asshole.
jordan holmes
One, why would he be killed over the weekend?
dan friesen
Well, because he has clearance to release this information on Tuesday.
jordan holmes
Well, if you're afraid of dying over the weekend...
Your move is to release it early.
unidentified
You would think.
jordan holmes
That's your move.
Why would you not release it early?
Once you release it, why would they kill you?
dan friesen
Here's the big spoiler.
None of this is real information.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
None of this is real.
Okay.
jordan holmes
Unless he dies over the weekend and we find out on Tuesday.
dan friesen
If he dies over the weekend, I got one suspect for you.
And it's Rappaport hiding in the bushes.
jordan holmes
We're going to release our own version of Clue that's just the InfoWars people.
Rapoport in the bushes with the Batarang.
dan friesen
No, he has psychotropic drugs.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Because he knows they're a weapon.
jordan holmes
He actually convinces you to kill yourself.
dan friesen
Yeah, Paul Joseph Watson in London with Snark.
That's who made me kill myself.
jordan holmes
With transphobia.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So, yeah, my position on it is this is a load of hooey.
And what have you.
And we'll see what the information is as the episode goes on.
But I think this is a straight mem on the part of Jerome Corsi.
And I predict strongly that come Tuesday there will be nothing big.
And I think that this is probably a PR stunt.
jordan holmes
That's exactly what people said about December 12th, 2012.
That's exactly what they said.
dan friesen
Sold a lot of Mayan calendars.
jordan holmes
And, you know, that worked out.
dan friesen
Certainly did.
World ended.
jordan holmes
That's all I got.
Maybe the world did end.
Maybe that was just the beginning of the rise of fascism in our country.
Did you consider that?
dan friesen
That argument could be made.
We're certainly living in a much worse place five years later.
jordan holmes
Climate change is coming ever closer.
dan friesen
Sure.
When did Gamergate start?
Is that on December 12th?
Anyway, December 21st.
This next clip, Alex does his first in a very long string that goes almost the entire episode of teasing what he's about to tell you about.
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
He does not want to get to it.
jordan holmes
You and Alex have so much in common broadcast-wise, it's so frustrating for you to be like...
All he does is tease people about what's coming in the future, and I'm sitting here staring at you like, fucking tell me what's going on!
dan friesen
I'm not trying to tease anybody, though.
It's just the structure of how these episodes have to be laid out.
We can't go back to the past today.
unidentified
Anyway, that might be a tease in and of itself.
dan friesen
Anyway, here's Alex playing the game that he and I love to play.
alex jones
So at the bottom of the hour, I'm going to get to that noosh.
jordan holmes
Why?
Get to it now!
alex jones
I had about a 20-minute conversation with him this morning driving into work.
And then ever since I got here, I had trouble focusing on all the other news, even though it's very, very important and extremely illustrative of what we're facing because of the intel he was breaking down.
And then when I got here, Owen Schroyer had some similar info, but not directly from the sources, dealing with one of the very same topics.
jordan holmes
So wait, where did he get it?
alex jones
And I separately went and did my research and confirmed.
That this whole thing stinks to high heaven.
But let's just say they got their ducks in a row before they killed Seth Rich.
That's only part of it.
Oh, fuck you!
Leave those kids alone!
jordan holmes
God damn it!
dan friesen
That's a big part of what the news that Jerome Corsi is going to break is.
jordan holmes
It's all about Seth Rich?
dan friesen
That's one of the big things that it's about.
jordan holmes
God damn it!
dan friesen
And as Alex tells what the big news is, a lot of it is stuff that I know originated on 4chan posts.
jordan holmes
Of course.
dan friesen
So it's a lot of stuff that is not really...
jordan holmes
Not even close to true.
dan friesen
No.
And a lot of it is actually fully discredited already.
jordan holmes
Of course!
dan friesen
It's really undignified, and I think that this is a desperation move on Alex's part, which we'll get to in a little bit.
unidentified
Okay.
dan friesen
Why he's so desperate.
It's actually fairly interesting.
unidentified
Okay.
dan friesen
What you have to do with Alex Jones is...
jordan holmes
Will we get to it at the bottom of the hour?
dan friesen
We won't.
unidentified
Whenever the clip gets here is when it gets here, biatch!
dan friesen
Now listen, here's the thing.
Whenever you're listening to Alex Jones, you kind of have to read between the lines a little bit.
Like, the tone of this episode is, Jerome Corsi might die this weekend.
unidentified
Of course.
dan friesen
We have big news, I'm gonna get to some of it, but the rest of it I'm not cleared to give until...
You know, Tuesday.
And, of course, he dies.
I know who did it.
We all know.
You know, blah, blah, blah.
All that sort of stuff.
It's very desperate.
It's very immediate.
It's very, oh, shit.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
And when you hear stuff like that, it's not because that's the truth.
It's because something else is going on behind the scenes that is making Alex freak the fuck out.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
And I think I know what it is.
jordan holmes
So, if...
They're doing it for this surprise reveal on Tuesday.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
And he's building up this whole, like, oh, we got such big information, we can't release it.
One, do you think Alex is going to kill Corsi?
dan friesen
That's why I said Rappaport might be in the bush.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
One Rappaport in the bush is worth two in the hand.
jordan holmes
Guys, if Corsi dies over the weekend, we know Alex did it.
That's the first thing we know.
dan friesen
Well...
jordan holmes
And also, that just means he's setting it up for the counter-narrative for something that he does think is going to go down on Tuesday, right?
dan friesen
No.
jordan holmes
No?
dan friesen
No.
unidentified
Okay.
dan friesen
I don't think so.
jordan holmes
So why are we playing this bullshit game of he's going to die over the weekend today?
dan friesen
Because it's severe.
That's why.
It's shocking.
It's the sort of thing that Alex thinks is going to get a lot of attention and drive traffic.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
And there's a reason he needs to do that.
Which is what I'm going to get to.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
Part of it...
I'm gonna get to it.
jordan holmes
I think I might have sussed out what we're talking about here.
dan friesen
You probably know half of it, but there's another half that brings everything into focus.
jordan holmes
So you're saying I don't know the half of it.
dan friesen
You do know the half of it.
So he does not get into the information that he has to give out at this point.
He's just teased it.
He lets you know that part of it has to do with Seth Rich.
But before he gets to the information, he has to get on a fucking ridiculously long tangent of stringing along a bunch of nonsense.
He's pretty mad still about the Ariana Grande concert.
jordan holmes
Of course.
dan friesen
As we've already seen, he's really trying to take the piss out of Katy Perry.
And here, he really just wants to complain about...
jordan holmes
Old white men taking down young pop stars.
It's a tale as old as time.
dan friesen
He wants to complain about some Muslims that were demonstrating in London.
There have been some Muslims for Peace marches.
There have been some anti-Islamophobia gatherings, demonstrations.
jordan holmes
People coming together filled with hope and healing in response to this negative, horrifying tragedy that happened to them.
dan friesen
Largely.
jordan holmes
Of course he would be against that.
dan friesen
Well, what he's decided to glom onto is that they found there's a video and there's a picture of a lady who's wearing a shirt that says love and the letters of love are made up of weapons.
So like the O is a grenade.
It's a little bit weird.
jordan holmes
That is a very ambiguous shirt.
dan friesen
It's very strange.
jordan holmes
She should have...
There should be like an explanation for what that shirt is trying to say.
dan friesen
And maybe it's on the back.
jordan holmes
Is it love guns?
Is it guns are love?
Is it...
dan friesen
If I'm looking at it, my artistic explanation...
jordan holmes
The only thing I can love is guns?
dan friesen
Well, that's one way to look at it.
My explanation would be it's a juxtaposition of...
These tools of killing, making up the word love.
I think my interpretation would be it's supposed to shock you into realizing these things aren't loving.
That's my feeling on it.
alex jones
I don't know.
dan friesen
I can't say.
jordan holmes
So our next t-shirt is the faces of everybody at Infowars organized into love.
dan friesen
No, spelling truth.
There we go.
Look, I don't want to defend this lady's shirt.
I have no idea what the intention of it was.
Like we said, there's interpretations you can make.
But Alex is really mad about it.
alex jones
But we have the video of Muslim women wearing shirts that have hand grenades on them and machine guns.
jordan holmes
Oh, of course.
alex jones
And saying, you better not be Islamic phobic or we're going to strike back.
And other Muslim men saying they're not ashamed.
They're not going to apologize for what happened.
jordan holmes
Because they didn't do it!
alex jones
Extremely arrogant people.
But when the left gets some crazy white guy that they can go after, and I agree they should go after him, like Dylann Roof going into a black church and killing nine people, every white person on earth is guilty for it.
Every Christian is guilty.
Every gun owner is guilty.
But when people show up in Halloween costumes with hoods over their heads, with hand grenades and machine guns on their shirts, And start saying, you better watch what you say about Muslims or else.
It's mind-blowing.
dan friesen
It is.
jordan holmes
Does he think just regular Muslim garb is Halloween costumes?
Is that what he's thinking?
dan friesen
Yeah, that's how he's insulting other cultures.
jordan holmes
Alright, wonderful.
Wonderful!
I'm glad that we got there.
dan friesen
Now, here's what's fun.
He brings up Dylan Roof.
Tomorrow's episode of our show is going to go back to the exact day.
Of the Charleston shooting, which was actually an accident that we ended up covering that.
And you can see what Alex said on that day.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it's not great.
I wouldn't recommend he bring up Dylann Roof, because if you listen to his words, which...
dan friesen
They're not good.
jordan holmes
Yeah, no, no, not good.
dan friesen
But the other thing is that even back then, no one was blaming all white people for the attack.
No one was blaming gun owners for it.
The arguments that people were having...
jordan holmes
They were blaming guns.
And white supremacy.
dan friesen
Well, but even beyond that, they were saying that this is part of our culture, part of the racism that underlies a lot of people.
It is systemic, and it is an issue.
It's not all white people's fault, but white people are behooved to look at these things and these beliefs that sometimes we're unaware that we carry.
That was the conversation that happened.
jordan holmes
That implicitly support what he did.
We can explicitly say, oh, we condemn Dylann Roof and all that stuff, but if you're still part of the system that props this kind of thing up, still maintains an environment that not only allows it, but in fact nurtures it, that alt-right community, which Alex Jones is absolutely a part of, the storm front, the Nazi bullshit.
Two people were fucking murdered.
dan friesen
Yep.
jordan holmes
They're throat slashed by this alt-right bullshit fucker, this white supremacist who is just...
It's stuff that they're creating.
It's stuff that they are making happen.
They are absolutely part of the system that nurtures this ideology.
dan friesen
And a big part of that is the mentality that he expressed in that last clip.
When he's saying these Muslim men won't apologize for...
You realize in the next sentence, the exact next sentence, you're saying that you're mad that everyone expects you to apologize the same way you expect all Muslims.
And at the same time, no one asked you to apologize for Charleston.
They asked you to examine culture.
That's what they asked you to do, and you were so offended by the idea of having to be like, why do I have to be made to feel bad?
unidentified
Why?
dan friesen
What?
jordan holmes
Why do they have to be made to feel bad?
dan friesen
Well, that's an interesting argument.
jordan holmes
That is an interesting argument.
dan friesen
Alex is incapable of doing the one-to-one math.
It's literally one divided by one.
It's one times one.
It's one plus one.
It's the easiest math to do.
And because they're brown, he is fucking unwilling to do it.
And it's insanity.
jordan holmes
We call it Fox News geometry.
One does not equal one.
dan friesen
One sometimes does not equal one when it's.9999 repeating.
Hello, how are you doing?
This next clip.
jordan holmes
I think you're three-thirds wrong on that.
dan friesen
I don't know.
Anyway, this next clip has more to do with Ariana Grande in specific, and then gets into the relationship between Islam and the globalists.
alex jones
Even though a Muslim working with accomplices has now come out with a coordinated strike, with a sophisticated weapon, despite all of that, despite the fact that that person would have killed her if he could have, She still won't criticize Orthodox Islam or suicide bombers because that's not the end thing to do because the left must...
Prop up Islam and must say it's loving and peaceful and helpful and compatible because it's the shadow army for their takeover of the West.
It's the incompatible cancer and the open free society by the so-called left that hates open free societies, that wants to ban free speech, that wants to ban conservatives and libertarians and nationalists off Google, off Twitter, off Facebook.
They're authoritarians and they see a friend in the enemy of their enemy.
The enemy of my enemy is my friend.
They like the Arabic saying.
They're dirtbags.
They're cowards.
dan friesen
They're cucks.
alex jones
But maybe they really are the alphas.
The alpha cancer.
The alpha parasite.
Because we won't do anything about them.
jordan holmes
What are you fucking talking about?
dan friesen
You just screamed over the most scary part.
He said at the end...
jordan holmes
We won't do anything about it.
dan friesen
We won't do anything about them.
unidentified
Ah!
jordan holmes
We won't do anything about them.
dan friesen
That phrasing is specifically...
What are you going to do about them?
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
What are you going to do?
Are you going to outlaw their free speech?
The thing that you say people are trying to do to you, which I don't think anyone is?
Or are you talking about killing them?
unidentified
From start to finish, that whole thing is just bullshit.
jordan holmes
Who is defending suicide bombers?
dan friesen
No one.
Well, maybe some people, but not the last.
jordan holmes
I mean, you can empathize with a suicide bomber.
dan friesen
Sure, but that's not supporting them.
jordan holmes
I think that's very much something that we should do.
If you want to know why people are suicide bombing, you should empathize with them and figure out, oh, wait, you're suicide bombing because you have no fucking hope.
Because everybody is fucking being murdered.
dan friesen
And that's what brought you into this dangerous and destructive ideology.
jordan holmes
You have this fucking helplessness, and you feel like you're marginalized, and you feel like nobody cares about you.
And so you find these extremist groups who support you, and maybe your family isn't there for you.
So you kind of project a family ideology onto these people, and they utilize that to force you to do things.
I don't think anybody would ever relate that to any kind of white nationalist Christian Nazi movement.
dan friesen
Or even InfoWars.
I think that I just sort of had a flash of like, there's a decent chance that Alex can't wrestle with that empathy for people's situations that get them into extremism.
jordan holmes
Because he's a psychopath?
dan friesen
Because strategically it would be against his goals.
Because he would have to then recognize that he does some of that himself.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Like, a lot of the people that follow him are the same sort of marginalized folk.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
And all he does is fill their heads with lies and bullshit narratives that if they repeat to other people...
Disconnect them even further.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Because if you and I were just casual friends, and I came up to you, and I started spouting Infowars shit, we wouldn't be friends.
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
That would make it very hard to connect with quote-unquote normal people.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
As normal as you and I are.
Which is not totally.
jordan holmes
Well, I mean, yeah, by isolating people, you only bring them more into the fold as you're the only person that they can trust.
dan friesen
And you make these sweeping pronouncements on your show about how we're the smart people, everyone else is dumb.
Right.
Maybe he doesn't use family so much, but he does talk about how important family is.
He still reinforces a lot of that.
jordan holmes
Like Toretto from The Fast and the Furious.
dan friesen
Not quite as much, but yes.
jordan holmes
Not quite as much.
dan friesen
He's diesel-y.
Yeah, I think he would have to wrestle with the fact that he does that, too.
jordan holmes
And then, of course, it is absolutely perfect for him to set himself up as the good guy versus the evil guy.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
So you want to inspire those kind of us-versus-them mentalities, and they are a perfect boogeyman because they are your black mirror.
dan friesen
So basically what I want to know is, do you think that Muslims are the shadow army for the globalists?
jordan holmes
Hmm, I don't know.
Are they the shadow army for the globalists?
dan friesen
I'm going to go with a big no on that one.
jordan holmes
You're going to go with a big no?
dan friesen
I'm going to go with that.
jordan holmes
It would be a big army.
There's like several billion Muslims in the planet.
dan friesen
Yeah, but we're going to learn that Muslims are killing millions of Muslims every year.
jordan holmes
Is that a shadow army for the globalists?
dan friesen
I don't know, but it's also very unscientific statistic keeping.
Anyway, Alex is going to get to this big news.
alex jones
Alright, I'll get to the big news that I've been mentioning in the next segment, then I'm going to continue.
On with the incredible response by the Muslims everywhere celebrating the attack in Manchester.
dan friesen
I blew it.
He didn't get to the big news.
That was just another tease.
jordan holmes
Oh, shit.
dan friesen
So, again, he pretends that people are celebrating when a lot of the times they were peaceful demonstrations.
jordan holmes
Nope, celebrating.
dan friesen
You can see pictures up of, like...
Muslims for peace.
Muslims love Manchester marches and stuff like that.
It's basically the exact opposite of what he's pitching.
jordan holmes
Just the entire idea is so frustrating that, once again, by their very reaction, they do feel a need to apologize for...
You know, basically their religion there.
What else could you possibly be responding to if you have to have a peace march?
You don't see after this fucker yesterday.
You don't see white people marching in Portland going like, hey, by the way, we're sorry.
By the way, we still believe in love.
We still believe in truth.
We're not your enemy.
You don't have to do that.
That's that white privilege that is...
Is part of the system.
dan friesen
Fake news.
jordan holmes
Fair enough.
dan friesen
White privilege is fake news.
jordan holmes
Fake news!
I didn't commit that crime, so I'm not on the hook for it.
unidentified
Nah.
jordan holmes
Nah, no, no.
Muslims committed that crime, so every Muslim is on the hook for it.
dan friesen
Because they're incompatible.
But you know who is compatible?
Apparently that neo-Nazi fuck who slashed two people's throats in Portland.
jordan holmes
He's just fine.
dan friesen
He must be compatible.
jordan holmes
God damn it.
dan friesen
Yeah, that guy.
I looked into him a little bit.
jordan holmes
What kind of fucking monster?
dan friesen
It's wild stuff.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Wild stuff.
jordan holmes
Nazi.
dan friesen
People had posted a bunch of his Facebook posts and message board stuff, and he just seems to have no coherent philosophy other than being really angry.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
He's a lunatic who got his chance to be a fucking lunatic.
dan friesen
Yeah, basically.
jordan holmes
That's what it was.
dan friesen
Pictures of him like Zeke Heilig at a free speech rally recently.
Oh boy.
We're in deep.
jordan holmes
If he had been raised in Ireland, he would have been part of the IRA.
That is a guy who is a fucking insane person.
He's a gun.
He's a gun waiting to be fired.
dan friesen
He's probably too crazy, really, to fit in with any of the militias and stuff here, even.
Which is saying something.
Anyway, Alex has had a revelation.
jordan holmes
Uh-huh.
dan friesen
He's had a big breakthrough that he wants to get to before he gets to the real news that may or may not be responsible for Jerome Corsi's death.
jordan holmes
God damn it.
We're really taking our time to get to the real news that may or may not be responsible for Jerome Corsi's death.
dan friesen
Absolutely.
He's figured out what's going on with the Russia stuff.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
He's going to lay it out for you.
alex jones
I have a stack of news here and I figured out what they're doing.
They recycle stories every few weeks thinking you have no memory.
They put out the same fake story over and over again.
That's what you do!
Exclusive.
jordan holmes
That's exactly what you do!
alex jones
The Attorney General, when he was a senator, didn't pull out and didn't fill out all the forms about any foreign nationals he met with.
And then at the bottom of the article it says U.S. Senators are exempt from that because they meet with foreign dignitaries as part of their job and they're a separate branch of government from the executive.
And then it gets into the whole issue of oversight.
But the point is...
I know when I see these headlines, it's a lie, because I've already groundhog days, been through them five or six times in the cycle.
dan friesen
So you're getting the premise there is that they're just re-releasing old stories?
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
And it feels like that if you only read headlines and don't know how to read, because this story about Sessions that came out recently is different.
The last time we were talking about it, it's because he lied in open session in Congress about the meetings that he had with Kislyak, the Russian ambassador.
This time, it's because he lied on his background check form about the meetings that he had.
Now, it's interesting, because Alex brings up that at the bottom of the article, it says that Sessions doesn't have to fill this out.
Because he's a senator and blah, blah, blah.
jordan holmes
So long as he's not part of the presidential transition team, which he was, or acting as part of the campaign.
dan friesen
Right.
That's exactly the thing.
The attorney general staff consulted with those familiar with the process, as well as the FBI investigator handling the background check, and was instructed not to list meetings with foreign dignitaries and their staff connected with his Senate activities.
That's the piece of it that Alex is not taking into consideration.
Exactly what you said.
Senate activities?
Cool.
You don't have to disclose those meetings, because they should be on your itinerary already, should be public.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
That sort of thing.
These meetings, in question, aren't related to Senate activities.
They are related to Trump transition team stuff, Trump campaign stuff, and the fact that he left them off is a really big deal.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
So then you get to, like, all the other stuff.
It's like, there have been, like, three or four cycles of Mike Flynn news.
But they're all different.
They're all new developments in the same building crisis.
In the same way with Kushner.
There has been new revelations about Kushner.
But they're very different stories.
Right.
And Alex just thinks, oh, what they do is they just take something and they're like, oh, let's wait a week and do it again.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
He's so fucking dumb.
jordan holmes
It's like a murder investigation where they're like, ugh!
We found another suspect?
God, boring!
We found a suspect before this!
It's over!
Come on, we got one!
We got a little piece of evidence!
dan friesen
No big deal!
I'm investigating you for a crime, right?
Or a murder.
And it's like, a week later, I found another body that you killed.
jordan holmes
Move on!
Same story!
dan friesen
Jordan, it's old news!
jordan holmes
Same story!
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
God!
Why are you just redoing it?
dan friesen
Yeah.
I think it was so indicative of Alex's inability to understand what's going on in the world.
And man, I found a fucking clip about his understanding of the Civil War.
jordan holmes
No!
No!
dan friesen
I legitimately think that should be an entire episode.
jordan holmes
I can't believe that his understanding of the Civil War is even related to either side's understanding.
I think he thinks it was a war over cotton candy.
I don't understand what he thinks is going on.
dan friesen
I've posted it up on knowledgefight.com at a secret place that you probably can't find.
But I'll give you the brief version.
It was about tariffs.
jordan holmes
Wait, does he think every U.S. war was about tariffs?
dan friesen
Probably.
So anyway, he has more to say.
jordan holmes
Don't tread on tea.
dan friesen
He has more to say about this, the idea of the recurring cycle of lies that the media does.
alex jones
They think you have no memory.
It's like, we have all the wiretaps, total proof Trump did this and that.
Oh really, those are illegal.
Who's the leaker?
We never did that.
There are no wiretaps.
You're insane to say it.
Here's hundreds of headlines.
Here's hundreds of videos of you saying it.
We never said it.
You're insane.
What, do you listen to Alex Jones?
Listening to us means you have a memory.
That's all it means.
Or they go, last night, this may be it for Trump.
The military's hopping mad.
Doesn't say who, though.
unidentified
Another secret source, he gave out the location of our submarines to North Korea.
alex jones
In a conversation with the President of the Philippines.
And I went, wait a minute.
That conversation happened a while back, and Trump was on the news about the Armada and the submarines, and the submarines docked in Seoul as a show of force, saying they would now be deployed in the South China Sea.
Extra submarines.
It was announced as a show of force by the Pentagon, by the President.
It'd be like if Trump announced Christmas was coming six months before, and then Christmas came, and they went, he gave out the intel that Christmas was coming.
I mean, it's that crazy, but see, the way the headline is, Trump gave away the secret nuke locations.
He gave away where the submarines are.
And as soon as I see it, I go, Trump was all over the news a month ago about the Armada and the two submarines, and they docked, and they were there, and he didn't give out the exact location.
That's part of a show of force.
And then I pulled up the articles.
From a month ago with exactly those words!
dan friesen
Nope.
If you go back and look, actually, what was in the news on April 25th was about the ships, the aircraft carriers that were going.
jordan holmes
The ones that were not going that direction, actually, at all.
dan friesen
Yes.
jordan holmes
The ones they lied about!
dan friesen
Also, right around the same time, one submarine, the USS Michigan, docked in South Korea.
alex jones
Right.
dan friesen
Got all this information from a BBC article from around that time.
Right.
One docked.
Four days later, on April 29th, President Trump had a phone call with President Duarte from the Philippines.
Duterte?
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Duterte, I believe.
dan friesen
I like my version better.
Duerte.
Sounds good.
jordan holmes
It sounds like Muerte.
That's why you like it.
dan friesen
Well, he killed people.
jordan holmes
Because he's a murderer.
dan friesen
Yeah, exactly.
jordan holmes
He's the murderiest murderer.
dan friesen
So President Muerte...
jordan holmes
That's a really good way to describe him.
dan friesen
Yeah, that's his name from now on.
jordan holmes
Yeah, President Muerte.
dan friesen
The two of them had a phone call.
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
And the only reason we know everything that happened in that phone call is because just the other day, a Philippine confidential copy got leaked.
jordan holmes
Of course.
dan friesen
And if you look at the transcript from the Filipino side...
What you see is that Trump very strongly congratulates President Muerte's dealings with the drug crisis in the Philippines, which, if you don't know, since last year, since June of last year, 7,000 people have been extrajudicially killed because of drug offenses.
unidentified
The police claim it's in self-defense.
jordan holmes
Or not.
A lot of people who were killed...
It did not have anything to do with drugs.
You don't kill 7,000 people and get them all right.
Right.
Especially if you're a vigilante crew, in which case, I would say they've murdered more people for nothing than they have for drugs.
dan friesen
Also recently, President Muerte called in a state of emergency in the, I can't remember the name of the region of the Philippines, but he enacted indefinite martial law.
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
In a big region of the Philippines.
So, I mean, that's who he's talking to.
jordan holmes
And he was democratically elected.
dan friesen
In quotes.
But he...
Trump is congratulating him on how he's dealing with drugs, which is very bad.
The way he's dealing with drugs is very bad.
And then, in the same conversation, four days after, the aircraft carriers were discussed in the news, and one submarine, very ceremoniously, And part of, like, yearly exercises.
Just formulaic, every year, routine exercises docked in South Korea.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
Trump said that there were two nuclear submarines off the coast of North Korea.
That is a big deal.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
It's not that, like, ah, he just said things that were in the news, who cares?
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Four days after all this stuff was publicly, some of this stuff...
It was said in publications publicly.
He's telling a murderous dictator in the region that there are more submarines than are publicly known and round about where they are.
That's not a small deal.
jordan holmes
I think he doesn't know that people on the other side are recording him too.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
He has no idea.
He doesn't get, like, the Russian shit that is going to hopefully get Kushner, what, executed?
Like, that's what we're hoping for.
He's a traitor.
Like, he's a literal traitor at this point.
dan friesen
I don't see, like, that back channel stuff, I don't see any reason for that to exist other than to give confidential information.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
So, you've got that.
dan friesen
He absolutely committed, he absolutely broke the Logan Act.
unidentified
Oh.
dan friesen
At best.
jordan holmes
No question.
No question.
He's a traitor.
So he just had no idea that the Russians would be like, yeah, we better keep these recordings.
He just didn't get that?
dan friesen
It's the same conversation that Sally Yates had.
It's the same thing that she said in front of the House Intelligence Committee about Flynn.
It's like, if you have conversations like that with the Russians, they are going to record it.
And they know that you've lied about them, and now they have leverage over you.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
And then you pull into context the thing that John Brennan said in his testimony, that the road to treason is often undertaken unwittingly.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
People go down a road to treason, and they don't realize that's where they're going, and by the time they wise up, it's either too late, or there's blackmail, or they're being threatened.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
And it really looks like...
I mean, Kushner's probably guilty of that.
jordan holmes
He's absolutely good.
dan friesen
And the best thing we can say is it started off naively.
That's the best possibility.
jordan holmes
I think the best thing we can say is that it started off probably by greed.
dan friesen
No, no, no.
I meant that's the best case scenario we can say.
jordan holmes
Oh, the best case scenario.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
He was naive to what he was doing.
But I fucking don't believe that for a second.
jordan holmes
I can't believe it.
dan friesen
No.
But anyway.
jordan holmes
He should be in jail.
dan friesen
Now.
I think he will be.
jordan holmes
Now.
dan friesen
No, he absolutely at least should have every access stricken.
Like, it's unbelievable that he could still access documents.
jordan holmes
Right now?
dan friesen
When you start to put it into perspective to, like, all the stuff that's been going on, the leaking, the fact that those secure document rooms had had things copied and taken out of them.
Yeah.
unidentified
I'm not saying that they're related, but when you look at all of these things that are going on, if any of them are related...
dan friesen
We have one of the biggest issues in our government's history ever.
It could be a situation where completely confidential information is being copied and taken and given to Russians.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And what would the reason for that be?
It could only be to undermine our fucking country.
jordan holmes
Money.
I would say money.
For Kushner and Trump?
dan friesen
I'm talking about the Russians.
jordan holmes
For the Russians?
Oh, let's fuck up NATO.
Let's fuck up NATO and get so much money.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
It's money.
It's money.
Everybody wants money.
unidentified
Well...
jordan holmes
If you can blackmail the United States government, God, you can make so much money?
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Are you kidding me?
How much money can you make if you can blackmail the fucking president?
dan friesen
And then you add into that Trump his speech to NATO.
You add in that he refused to necessarily support Article 5. Yeah.
The commitment to everyone defending each other, which is the bedrock of NATO.
You add into that him saying that he's not sure about Russian sanctions.
He said he's thinking about them.
The fact that he goes and he lectures these foreign leaders that they need to give more to NATO for defense.
jordan holmes
Which doesn't make any sense at all.
dan friesen
It's not how it works.
jordan holmes
It's not how it works.
dan friesen
At all.
jordan holmes
Get all of our money back!
What are you talking about?
dan friesen
To the point where foreign leaders were laughing at him while he was giving the speech.
jordan holmes
Well, they've been doing that for a long time.
dan friesen
But as he's giving the speech, people like whispering to each other like, Jesus fucking asshole.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Like shit like that.
It's embarrassing.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
That part's embarrassing.
All the other stuff.
I'm sick and tired of extremism in the Russia front.
You know what I mean?
The people who are out there and they're like...
And I've been guilty of this.
I've been guilty of falling into this and being fooled by it in the past a little bit.
And I'm ashamed of it.
But to an extent where everyone's like, he's a Russian agent!
Everyone going really hard with that.
But the facts on the ground are too much.
Too much to be coincidence.
There's too much...
jordan holmes
I just don't understand how we're going to...
I don't understand how this is going to go.
I don't either.
Our president should be put in jail.
So the only option, the only move for him then is...
If I was strategizing how he's going to get...
How the Republican Party is going to get through this.
dan friesen
How they're going to get out of this pickle.
jordan holmes
They impeach Trump.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
And then Pence pardons Trump.
That's the way that they have to go.
dan friesen
And then they impeach Pence.
jordan holmes
Well, and I can't...
dan friesen
It's got to be like a waterfall.
You know, it's got to be like, you get impeached, next person in line pardons you until you get to, I don't know, the Secretary of Agriculture or whatever.
I don't fucking know.
Nothing's good.
jordan holmes
But, I mean, if you get rid of Trump, you get him pardoned, right?
So that gives you the...
We gave you Trump as our scapegoat.
We pardon Trump, which keeps the people on the alt-right hopefully from burning down the country.
Because if you do what you need to do, if what should happen happens, which is Trump, Flynn, Kushner, Sessions...
Who else?
dan friesen
I don't know.
jordan holmes
Carter Page?
All of these guys wind up in prison for life.
dan friesen
Manafort.
jordan holmes
Or dead.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Like, that's what should happen.
If that happens, there will be an actual armed insurrection from the alt-right.
dan friesen
Most likely, because the alt-right places like Infowars, like Mike Cernovich.
Yeah.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
If that does happen, they already have a narrative in place that is the globalists are trying to get Trump.
out.
unidentified
And when they do get Trump out, they'll try and hold the special election that's going to be overseen by national security.
dan friesen
Right.
unidentified
And it's just going to be a fucking facade.
dan friesen
And then they're going to start destroying everything like they planned to do when Hillary got in.
Yep.
unidentified
So if even the first step of their made-up plan that the globalists have happens to Come to pass, they're going to see that as evidence of the third step is coming.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Fourth step is coming.
jordan holmes
And then you start getting into who among our law enforcement services are part of that alt-right.
dan friesen
Certainly not the Oath Keepers.
jordan holmes
So then you start getting into who in the National Guard is part of that.
And then you start seeing these guys actually get weapons and all of this shit together.
Like, there's a real chance that if what should happen...
There will be an out-and-out civil war.
dan friesen
It's almost like the best possible outcome is let Trump coast out his term, which is an awful outcome.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
But lame duck the shit out of him.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Hope that Congress flips in 2018 so they can not let anything go through.
Just let it turn into a contentious political battle.
a lot of the aggression.
Right.
unidentified
Because then everyone would be arguing about the issues that are going on in the Senate and the fight between the House and the president and shit like that.
dan friesen
It wouldn't necessarily have to spill over into the streets.
Yeah.
unidentified
Necessarily.
dan friesen
And then in the meantime, in the background...
have our intelligence service seriously be vetting literally everybody.
Because at this point...
I mean, that's even a stupid fucking outcome.
Because if Trump is in on the stuff that Kushner is doing...
jordan holmes
And if you start having them communicate about how the intelligence services are vetting people, again, I mean...
dan friesen
There's no good outcome.
jordan holmes
This is going to explode.
Like, this is a powder keg that is going to explode, and no one has any idea how it's going to go.
dan friesen
Nope.
And it's scary.
But you know what?
jordan holmes
It's terrifying.
dan friesen
The good news is, Jordan, if you're scared, that's fine.
And I want you to know that Alex is about to get to that big news.
alex jones
And here's the big bombshell coming up after the break.
jordan holmes
Somebody's at the door!
alex jones
You know what?
I'm going to leave until we come back from break.
It's just knowing the stuff I know of these people makes me so disgusted by them.
I'm not even angry at them.
That it's almost paralyzing in shame that the American people are so weak.
I love them.
jordan holmes
Do you?
alex jones
That they let these pop singers tell them how much they hate them and how they hope they die and how they love Islam?
I mean, Hollywood is saying, we hate you, we want your kids.
They're saying, we're pedophiles, give in to us.
And we just run up the white flag and say, Durka Durka Mohammedad.
jordan holmes
Oh, God, that's from, uh, fucking, yeah.
Fuck you.
Jesus Christ.
dan friesen
Thanks for getting to that news, Alex.
I love that.
I love his games.
jordan holmes
It makes me so disgusted.
I'll tell you after the break.
But for right now, I just want to let you know that Hollywood wants to take your kids.
dan friesen
They're pedophiles.
The thing about Ariana Grande saying that she hates her fans and stuff like that, that is true.
She did say that.
She had a mental breakdown a while back.
jordan holmes
Oh, way back when?
dan friesen
Yeah, it was a couple years ago.
jordan holmes
Oh, a pop star had a mental breakdown in public?
dan friesen
I don't particularly...
jordan holmes
Never seen that one before.
dan friesen
I don't particularly care to litigate the personal lives and sort of social disgraces and faux pas...
jordan holmes
Don't care.
dan friesen
...of pop stars who have been famous since before they were really adults.
jordan holmes
I don't care about pop stars, period.
dan friesen
No, but...
jordan holmes
I don't care what they think.
dan friesen
No, but individually, certainly, but on a grander scale, I can't imagine how much fucked up stuff I would have said if I was famous at 18 or whatever.
I said really fucked up stuff when I was 18. Think about the stuff I've said now.
Right, right.
But compared to who you were...
jordan holmes
God, now I wish I was a pop star saying all the shit that I have said.
dan friesen
But imagine before your brain had fully formed.
If you were in the public eye and people were demanding things of you and you had a rigorous schedule of performances and stuff like that, it would be incredibly difficult to take people to task for everything they say as celebrities when they...
It's not really a fair system for anybody.
jordan holmes
To pay attention to what they say as celebrities is dumb.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
It's dumb.
dan friesen
Totally.
jordan holmes
And if you are Alex Jones and you're like, oh man, I'm going to get to this huge important information, but first...
Katy Perry said something that I don't like!
Then you're a fucking idiot.
dan friesen
It really takes away from your legitimacy.
It takes away from you being serious.
But anyway, Alex goes to break.
jordan holmes
If Teen Vogue spends less time on what Katy Perry says and more time on the downfall of American politics, maybe you're behind, Alex.
Maybe you're the one who's not doing a good job.
dan friesen
You're just talking about Lauren Duca.
You're not talking about the entire magazine, which I guarantee you haven't read.
jordan holmes
No, of course not.
dan friesen
Because it's...
Teen Vogue.
jordan holmes
It's Teen Vogue.
I'm just making a very poignant observation.
dan friesen
But anyway, Alex went to break.
jordan holmes
Yes, he did.
dan friesen
And he came back.
jordan holmes
Did he bring back the new information with him?
dan friesen
Let's find out.
jordan holmes
Has he spent all his time collating it?
dan friesen
Let's find out.
alex jones
I'm going to be really honest, everybody.
I'm so angry right now that I probably shouldn't even be on air.
I managed to take off tomorrow.
Because you can overheat a race car engine and send it up to 15,000 RPMs and blow it.
unidentified
Or do you feel the same?
alex jones
But again, it's beyond anger.
I'm struggling.
I just can't believe how evil the globalists are, what liars they are.
And because I have a memory, I see the lies, I see the flip-flops, I see the deception, I see the twisting, just like you do, and it only gets worse and worse and worse.
In fact, you can ask Nico, earlier he was saying, man, you've done a lot of preparation over the weekend for this show.
A lot of it last night.
Today, I've never seen you writing memos up about what you want to cover.
And then now you're just all over the map because these people are evil and they know they're evil.
That's what hit me over the weekend.
jordan holmes
That's what hit him over the weekend?
dan friesen
He's been railing on the globalists for 20 years!
jordan holmes
How is he still surprised?
You know what?
I just came to a revelation about the globalists.
I've been doing this 20 years.
And I swear to you, you can go back through my entire catalog and I have never said this before.
It is a brand new revelation.
Never said this before in 20 years.
They know they're evil.
dan friesen
I've always thought they were oblivious.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I always thought they had no idea that they were worshipping Satan.
dan friesen
This eugenicist group of technocrats who want to destroy the world and exterminate everybody and escape.
Yeah.
Or go hide out in their armored redoubts.
jordan holmes
They have no idea they're being evil.
Yeah.
Oh, Alex.
That's a perfect revelation for him.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
People have no memories.
And I just had this revelation.
The globalists are bad.
dan friesen
Well, but the thing is, I've started to realize when he talks about how people have no memory, what he's really saying is people don't see the world in this flawed prism the way I do.
That's really what he's saying.
He's not saying that he remembers things, because obviously he doesn't.
jordan holmes
Oh, he does not.
dan friesen
He remembers his cues and his fake stories and stuff like that, the waypoints that we describe and stuff like that.
But he doesn't really...
He's not talking about memory.
He's talking about his flawed context, is what he's talking about.
And it's very interesting to me, because to us, memory means, oh, I remember an XYZ thing that happened or that I did.
His is...
jordan holmes
I remember in 2015 when I said this, and I forgot to take that recording down, and so then I remember in 2017 when I said the complete opposite of that.
dan friesen
Right, there's that version of it.
Or even just go back to that, you know, the nuclear sub was in the news.
I remember that.
No, you remember your bizarre interpretation of things.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
You don't remember.
You have a flawed narrative that you remember.
And you're pissed.
That other people aren't in on it.
unidentified
Okay.
dan friesen
He's mad that other people have memories of reality, not his universe.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
And that's very fascinating to me.
Very fascinating.
jordan holmes
Well, because his...
I mean, I guess...
I think...
I think what I would see it as is...
When you say memory, I think he's talking about a ram.
I think that's really what he's dealing with.
dan friesen
It's like a computer?
jordan holmes
He's working on a higher frequency.
He's got more intelligence.
He's got more of this.
He's talking about memory like, I have more power.
dan friesen
Interesting, that's possible.
jordan holmes
In the way that my brain processes.
People don't have that memory.
People don't have that ability.
Now, do I think he knows what RAM is?
Fuck no.
dan friesen
No.
I think that's an interesting theory.
I disagree.
But that's interesting.
jordan holmes
I think he should know the definition of the word before I can give him credit for meaning it that way.
dan friesen
We should call him up.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Ask him what he thinks memory is.
Anyway, he's realized that the globalists are evil and they know they're evil.
jordan holmes
He just got it.
dan friesen
And he's going to expound a little bit on that and then he's going to lie a bunch.
alex jones
These people are evil and they know they're evil.
That's what hit me over the weekend.
Not just the controllers high up.
But the actual newspaper reporters, the Democrats, the liberals, they know they're not liberals.
They know they're authoritarians.
They know they're liars.
And they consciously want to learn how to be better liars.
It's like the Gruber meetings on C-SPAN with the top faculty, teaching them how to lie.
And they were looking at him like he was God.
About, I'm one of the best liars.
And I was chosen to lie to everyone.
Thank God the public's so dumb.
He talks like a cartoon character.
dan friesen
So I've looked into this.
I looked into the David Gruber stuff.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that was confusing to me.
Also, if you were using that voice, I would probably think you were lying to me.
dan friesen
Maybe.
jordan holmes
I think you'd be a bad liar.
If you were talking like this, I'm the best liar.
dan friesen
Yeah, he has a little bit of a dishy voice, kind of, and Alex is mocking that.
But David Gruber is apparently an advisor who helped work on Obamacare.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
And he's made a couple of very unfortunate public statements that are easy to misinterpret.
unidentified
Okay.
dan friesen
And Alex is.
The problem is that he said that thankfully people are stupid.
And that's the bad part of it.
jordan holmes
He should not have said that, probably.
dan friesen
That's the pull quote.
jordan holmes
Despite the fact that that is exactly what Alex says all day, every day.
dan friesen
And that's why he's able to sell any products.
unidentified
Yes.
dan friesen
But the thing is, the context of what he's talking about is that Obamacare would not be able to have been passed if they framed things as a tax.
I don't know.
It's not what Alex says, though.
It's not like, hey, we fooled everyone.
It's more like, thankfully people...
Just look for buzzwords whenever they're making decisions, and because we were able to get tax out of there as a legitimate part of what the bill was, we were able to move forward with our agenda.
jordan holmes
Right, because if they had called it Obamacare tax, then everybody would have been like, nah, fuck you, we're America, no more taxes, yada yada yada.
dan friesen
He had another video that came out where he was talking about how sometimes government can't work with full transparency.
And it was, again, another unfortunate way of phrasing things, but what he was talking about, again, is the same thing.
And it's just sort of...
I mean, don't say that, man.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Don't say it like that.
jordan holmes
Everybody kind of knows it, but don't say it.
It's an unspoken thing that I think everybody in America kind of believes, where it's like...
Or just from the polling.
Right?
If you look at polls and how they do that research, the way you phrase a question greatly influences the way people respond to it.
So that is basically what he's trying to say there, is if we operate with full transparency and we answer every question, people are going to wind up seeing what they want to see in it and react accordingly.
That's a big part of what he's saying.
Put what we think is important and what we think is the narrative out there that will allow us to operate in people's best interests, hopefully.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Like, Obamacare, for all of its faults, is in people's best interests.
dan friesen
Totally.
jordan holmes
And especially if you can compare it to what the GOP is doing right now.
unidentified
Trumpcare.
jordan holmes
Yeah, exactly.
So, of course, that's what he's trying to say.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
If you, however...
dan friesen
Have a memory.
jordan holmes
Then you will look at that and think, oh, it's the deep state doing stuff.
It's the deep state taking away our freedoms and our free speech and supporting Muslims.
dan friesen
Yeah, so then he gets on to some other shit here.
alex jones
And they've got all the faculty there and all these different C-SPAN meetings at universities.
And you've got the graduate students that are listening to Christ at the Mount of Olives.
Just, oh, teach us how to be corrupt and get jobs.
And they all just study how to lie better.
They're so turned over to evil.
And now when they lost the election, it didn't make them go, oh, we've been defeated.
We've been caught lying.
We've been caught putting out fake polls.
Let's back off.
They went, no, we're going to lie a hundred times worse.
And that's what it is now.
You get some reporter, attacks a guy with his cell phone, grabs his arm in his office, jumps on his desk.
The guy runs for Congress that's about to win in Montana, throws him off of him onto the ground.
jordan holmes
What?
alex jones
And then you are the guy that gets charged with a crime.
unidentified
What a fucking load of bullshit.
alex jones
People try to assault him, try to assault his security folks, try to assault Lewandowski.
jordan holmes
Oh, fuck you.
alex jones
And the assault would be a woman grabbing you by the arm, and then you pull your arm away, and then you assaulted her?
They're a bunch of aggressive scum that see us as their food, that see us as their cattle.
That's who the globalists are.
And here's the memo I wrote.
dan friesen
About to get to that memo.
But, so, the thing with Corey Lewandowski, just because this will be quick, there's a video that you can watch of the assault that happened, and she, the lady who got assaulted, was walking next to Trump, and they were having a conversation, she was probably asking him some questions, and then from behind Trump, you can see Corey Lewandowski grab her and pull her.
It is not that she put her arm on him and he pulled away.
That is absolute...
jordan holmes
There's video of it.
There's video evidence.
dan friesen
He's coming from behind and obviously grabbing her.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
She's not even grabbing Trump or anything like that.
unidentified
Nope.
dan friesen
It's just he pulled her.
And I mean, like, it's not an assault in the same way that, like...
Kicking the shit out of somebody is an assault, but it's still real.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
You can't do that to people.
jordan holmes
No!
dan friesen
So now, on to the issue of the Montana situation.
jordan holmes
Which is, that is, if a Fox News reporter says that that's not what happened.
dan friesen
I'm going to read the statement from Fox News.
jordan holmes
From Fox fucking News!
dan friesen
FoxNews.com.
Faith, Keith, and I arrived early to set up for the interview in a room adjacent to another room where the volunteer barbecue was to take place.
As the time for the interview neared, Gianfort came into the room.
We exchanged pleasantries and made small talk about restaurants in Bozeman.
During that conversation, another man, who we now know as Ben Jacobs of The Guardian, walked into the room with a voice recorder, put it up to Gianfort's face, and began asking if he had a response to the newly released Congressional Budget Office report on the American Health Care Act.
Gianfort told him he would get to him later.
Jacobs persisted with his question.
Gianfort told him to talk to his press guy, Shane Scanlon.
At that point, Gianfort grabbed Jacobs by the neck with both hands and slammed him into the ground behind him.
Faith, Keith and I watched in disbelief as Gianfort then began punching the reporter.
As Gianfort moved on top of Jacobs, he began yelling something to the effect of, I'm sick and tired of this.
Jacobs scrambled to his knees and said something about his glasses being broken.
He asked Faith, Keith and myself for our names.
In shock, we did not answer.
Jacobs said that he wanted the police called and went to leave.
Gianfort looked at the three of us and repeatedly apologized.
At that point, I told him and Scanlon, who is now present, that we needed a moment.
The men then left.
To be clear, at no point did any of us who witnessed this assault see Jacobs show any form of physical aggression towards Gianfort, who left the area after giving statements to the local sheriff's deputy.
So, that's what happened, based on Fox News, who witnessed the attack.
jordan holmes
And they're still not going to believe it.
dan friesen
And there's audio.
jordan holmes
They're still going to believe that Gianfort acted in self-defense.
That's what these people are going to believe, despite the fact that their own fucking propaganda outlet is not going to put up with it.
dan friesen
There's audio of it that matches that description of the events, too.
But these people are scum who see you as their cattle.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Such bullshit.
jordan holmes
After they beat you up, that's whenever they're like, now is the time to...
Fuck!
Fucking goddammit.
How is it that you can pull that off?
I can't fathom that people haven't just got, like, just the press.
How do you not fucking pick that up?
If you're part of the press, and it doesn't matter if you're the conservative alt-right press or whatever, you don't want this precedent.
No.
Because, again, you don't want to ban Muslims because eventually you're not going to be in power.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
And when you're not in power, maybe people will want to ban you.
dan friesen
Well, it's like...
jordan holmes
How do you not fucking get that?
dan friesen
People don't understand, like, the idea of supervenience.
Like, the idea that, like, what supervenes on these attacks against journalists?
It's that they're journalists who are being attacked.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
You know, that's what's behind it.
It has nothing to do with the fact that there are liberal reporters that are being attacked.
It has to do with it is now okay to beat up journalists.
And that hurts all journalists.
In the same way that the Muslim ban is like, it's not about the Muslim part of it, although it is.
It's that a religion is being banned.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
dan friesen
A religion is being targeted.
And that is a really, really dangerous precedent because it doesn't just apply to one situation.
jordan holmes
We would have the same exact response if it was all Buddhists.
dan friesen
Or Sikhs.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it's the same fucking shit.
dan friesen
Or even super conservative Christians.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
That wouldn't be okay.
jordan holmes
No, we would be against that.
dan friesen
In the same way that we made clear on the third episode, maybe even the first episode of the show.
That if Alex Jones ever really was being victimized for free speech issues, we would be forced to defend him.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And I would.
I 100% would.
If he was being oppressed based on free speech stuff, and in the same way...
jordan holmes
If he was ever being oppressed based on free speech stuff, which to this day, he has not yet.
unidentified
No.
jordan holmes
He has been oppressed because he's a fucking...
He's committed crimes!
dan friesen
Wow.
It's not oppression at that point.
jordan holmes
Yeah, exactly.
dan friesen
And the fact that, like, I mean, we do this show, we've never called for him to be taken off the air.
We've never called for him to be, like, punished, really.
We just...
jordan holmes
Well, I've said he should be sued.
And he was.
dan friesen
And maybe hit by a car.
He might have said that.
jordan holmes
I believe it was a truck.
I believe it was a truck, sir.
dan friesen
I'm sorry.
In honor of me...
jordan holmes
A car could potentially leave him in stable condition.
dan friesen
In honor of me making that big mistake right there with the truck-car situation, I'm going to just say, fuck it.
Let's let Alex get to the big news.
jordan holmes
Okay.
alex jones
And here's the memo I wrote.
Thought I got that call from Corsi.
That's got me so angry I can hardly talk.
By the way, I'm not waiting to tell you this just to keep you listening.
I'm so angry about all this stuff that I can hardly do my show anymore.
jordan holmes
Why would you even say that if that wasn't what you were doing?
dan friesen
Because he knows that's what he's doing.
unidentified
Why would you even say that?
There's no reason to say that unless that's exactly what you're doing.
dan friesen
He did this exact same thing like a week ago when he was like, I've got bombshell news.
And he just kept teasing it throughout the entire show.
Never said what the news was, but did the exact same game where he's like, This stuff is massive.
I've got to take a second to really get it clear.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
And he waited until Mike Cernovich came on.
Mike Cernovich gave some piece of false big news.
And Alex was like, that's what my sources say too.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
That's a fucking stupid game.
But he said in that same episode, I'm not just saying this to keep you here.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Of course.
jordan holmes
That's obviously what you're doing.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Why would you say it?
dan friesen
He's such an idiot.
But he, I mean, it works.
It works with stupid people.
So I guess we're not getting to the big news yet.
jordan holmes
Oh, well.
dan friesen
Are we even going to get to the memo?
I don't know.
He just jostled it.
jordan holmes
I know he has it.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Because he jostled papers.
dan friesen
He did some Foley work.
Yeah.
He doesn't.
But he wants you to know that he's in danger.
alex jones
And I'm angry I've got to know stuff like this and put myself in danger.
jordan holmes
It's not selfishness.
alex jones
I'm kind of sick of being good.
And it's not like I want to go join Evo.
I want away from all these people.
jordan holmes
Oh, god damn you.
alex jones
I'm going to read this memo when I come back.
This is a memo to myself.
jordan holmes
You fucking piece of shit.
alex jones
Because I've got to do this or we won't be here.
I want to thank you all for your support with the Memorial Day special that's running through next Tuesday.
unidentified
Holy shit.
jordan holmes
Holy shit.
dan friesen
I'm in personal danger.
jordan holmes
That is...
That's so good.
I still didn't expect it to turn into a sales pitch.
I know that's what it always turns into.
And this time I'm like, no, he's going to read the memo and then bam.
dan friesen
So actually that clip is titled Alex is in danger dot dot dot of doing a plug.
But, like, I love now, at this point in the show, we're spinning plates.
Because now we've got the memo.
It's coming.
And we've got the big news.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
And so, like, if it was just the big news he was putting off, that would be one thing.
That's not that impressive.
unidentified
No.
dan friesen
But now he's got two things he's got to not do.
jordan holmes
Oh, yeah.
Absolutely.
dan friesen
This is art.
jordan holmes
He can bounce back and forth between those.
dan friesen
I don't remember exactly what this next clip is.
jordan holmes
I'm about to get to this memo, but I've got to get to the big news first.
And I'm going to get to the big news, but it's going to be after this break.
Before we do that.
Guys, I just want to let you know that the only way I can thank you is by you buying stuff.
dan friesen
Yeah, with my great iodine that no one needs.
I don't remember what this next clip is, but it's got to be good.
Because it's titled, Alex is freaked out in all caps.
jordan holmes
Okay, alright.
dan friesen
So this has got to be good stuff.
jordan holmes
Were there Muslim girls in a pool shop again?
unidentified
You're listening to Alex Jones.
alex jones
I'm pretty freaked out right now.
And Nico's been here like five years, four years.
He's never come in and said, man, are you alright?
And no, I'm not alright.
I mean, look at all the proof of how evil the globalists are.
They're a bunch of child molesters.
They're a bunch of devil worshippers.
They're allied with the most radical form of Islam.
jordan holmes
And I'm broke.
alex jones
I don't have any money.
jordan holmes
My kids are gone.
They're gone.
alex jones
There's a billion and a half Muslims.
jordan holmes
Somebody else is going to sue me.
alex jones
They are crazy.
It'd be like if Hitler won World War II or something.
I mean, it's a whacked out group of people.
dan friesen
Whacked out.
jordan holmes
Why would it be like if Hitler won World War II?
dan friesen
Because the Muslims kill millions of their own each year.
That's what he's saying.
jordan holmes
Okay.
All right.
dan friesen
But you're just going to accept that?
jordan holmes
What are you going to say to that?
dan friesen
I'm too weak to fight.
jordan holmes
What are you going to say to that?
Just like...
Hey, can we get a number on that?
Just a number.
Just millions every year?
dan friesen
No.
Why be specific?
I mean, you're not a journalist or anything.
jordan holmes
Just like mathematically, that makes no sense.
To the point where if you believe...
Well, just like mathematically, it makes no sense if three million illegal immigrants voted.
dan friesen
Right, right.
jordan holmes
It's just not possible.
dan friesen
No, but if you're talking about collateral damages of wars and stuff that we're...
Facilitating and stuff like that.
I bet there are millions of Muslims who die every year.
jordan holmes
No!
dan friesen
Of natural causes.
jordan holmes
Oh.
dan friesen
If you include that in there, too.
jordan holmes
God damn it.
dan friesen
All the people who die who are Muslim.
jordan holmes
All the people, period, who die.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Then you got it.
jordan holmes
And then you just throw in some more people who die.
They were probably secret Muslims, so that counts, too.
dan friesen
We do know that secret Muslims exist.
jordan holmes
Secret Muslims.
dan friesen
I don't know.
Look, I don't want to fact check that because I'm too fucking tired.
Of his shit.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
I can't do that.
dan friesen
No.
Here's the deal.
Alex wants to take a break from a lot of this stuff.
Doesn't want to get to the big news yet.
jordan holmes
How many hours are we into this without any big news?
dan friesen
Oh man, it's most of the show.
He does have some thoughts about gender.
He has some thoughts about how this is some toxic masculine shit.
I really think Alex thinks that this is intelligent.
I think he thinks it borders on scholarly.
It's fascinating.
jordan holmes
Alright.
alex jones
And then I have weirdo leftist feminist lecturing me how I'm a male chauvinist pig!
jordan holmes
That's how it works!
alex jones
Because I need to be less aggressive and I need to sit down and shut up.
No, men are supposed to stand up against...
Corrupt men, and that's what I'm going to do.
There's always been good men and bad men.
And the reason we're in this position now is because good men have sat there on their fat asses, and instead, I love how the laziest guys around will strut around like they're tough all day long and pose.
See guys walking to stores, whatever, look around everybody, looking at them, trying to act tough?
That guy will roll over in a second, a cop gets in his face.
Or that guy smarts off you in a parking lot, you tell them cash that check, they'll piss their pants.
dan friesen
I couldn't tell, and I'm still not sure if he said cop or cock.
jordan holmes
I think he said cop.
I'm gonna give him cop.
dan friesen
I think so, too.
jordan holmes
I'm gonna give him cop.
dan friesen
The first few times I heard it, I was certain it was cock.
unidentified
I was like, what?
dan friesen
What are you talking about?
jordan holmes
Who doesn't roll over when they got a cock in their face?
That's what Jesus was talking about.
Turn the other cheek.
dan friesen
Yeah, anyway, and he uses this, like, you take him outside, tell him to cash that check.
They're pussies.
That sort of thing.
jordan holmes
I don't understand what that means, though.
dan friesen
It's fill your hand.
jordan holmes
Cash that check?
dan friesen
Your mouth's writing checks your body can't cash.
jordan holmes
Oh, okay.
I got you.
dan friesen
Why doesn't he use fill your hand?
He's already established that as a great term.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I'm on board with fill your hand.
That one, to me, sounded more like he was being robbed, right?
I was like, take him out there, cash that check.
dan friesen
Nah, I get it.
I get what he's saying.
jordan holmes
All right.
Also...
alex jones
Because they're not real men, and I'm sick of men not being men, and I'm tired of it.
Of course, when men don't act like men, women come in and fill the vacuum and then placate and lower the drawbridge to the threatening group they see across the river.
When women don't have men around, they will roll over to an outside invading force as a Stockholm Syndrome survival mechanism on average.
So there are no men.
jordan holmes
That's exactly the chauvinism!
That's what it is!
dan friesen
That's why.
jordan holmes
I have feminists telling me to stop being chauvinist, and I'm going to be chauvinist at them.
dan friesen
I'm going to be aggressively chauvinist.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Women roll over when...
No, you already...
Stop right there.
You already did the chauvinism thing.
dan friesen
There's two steps in already, because the first step is men stop being men, right?
That's step one.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Step two is because men aren't being men, women will step up and be the men of society.
jordan holmes
Right.
unidentified
But women can't be men.
dan friesen
They're faking it.
Jesus Christ.
So when...
Outside invading forces come in who are real men.
Women will revert to their feminine weakness and roll over for these real men that come in because Western men are too busy being cucks!
Or whatever.
This narrative is...
First of all, it doesn't take into account all the matrilineal societies that have existed over time.
It doesn't take into account...
There's tons of it.
jordan holmes
Anything.
It doesn't take into account anything other than his idea of what a man should be.
No, no, no.
dan friesen
It's not even that.
jordan holmes
His idea of what he is and how all men should be him.
dan friesen
There's that.
But I think the driving force is he does not want to get to the news.
I love the term you dropped on a recent episode, weak tea.
I think he knows that this news is weak tea.
He knows that everyone's going to be like, We've already said this shit.
Stuff like that.
It's going to be like, this isn't really that big bombshell, but he has to build it up to scare people and to sort of solidify his base because of what I'm going to explain in a minute.
But before we get to that...
jordan holmes
That gender definition of what a man is is so damaging.
Yeah.
That is such a huge part of why humanity is a pile of garbage.
dan friesen
It's one of the big things that drives people towards these radicalizing communities online.
Especially men.
jordan holmes
I'm a real man.
Dudes between the age of 14 and 21 are the most dangerous and destructive force humanity has ever seen.
dan friesen
Undoubtedly.
jordan holmes
They are the cause of so much shit.
Alex is that type of...
dan friesen
He's still that age, but he's 43. He's that type of...
jordan holmes
What would I even call it?
He's this town drunk.
That's to me what he is.
He's the town drunk who you go to at a bar and you're underage and you go there and the town drunk starts dropping wisdom on you.
dan friesen
Sure, sure.
And it's all wrong.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it's all wrong.
And you're like, whoa, he knows what he's talking about.
dan friesen
Did you know this town was founded by gypsies?
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
That sort of shit.
jordan holmes
I don't like you using that word.
I prefer Romany.
dan friesen
Alex Wood as a town drunk was in character.
jordan holmes
That's true.
dan friesen
But then here's the twist of him being the town drunk telling you all this lies.
After like maybe five minutes, he pulls open his coat and he's got pills.
He's got weird fake pills in his coat.
jordan holmes
Hey, you guys want to buy some coke?
dan friesen
Look, the only thing that keeps this show afloat.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
These gypsies that founded this town are trying to suppress me.
It really comes down to money.
I really need your help.
So anyway, look, Alex is going to get to the big news.
So let's just do it.
alex jones
Here's the memos I've written.
When I get back, I will get into the big news.
jordan holmes
You know the real, because you heard them.
dan friesen
That was a short clip.
jordan holmes
When he gets back, he'll get to the big news.
dan friesen
Yeah, when he gets back.
jordan holmes
When he gets back.
dan friesen
Still not getting to the big news.
jordan holmes
He's got the memos.
Hasn't gotten into those yet.
When he gets back, he's going to get into the big news.
dan friesen
And as I've said, there's two plates he's spinning, and it's getting to the point where he can't keep them both up.
unidentified
Right.
jordan holmes
He's got to drop one or the other.
dan friesen
So he decides it's time to break down the memos.
alex jones
Here's the memos I've written.
unidentified
When I get back, I will get into the big news.
alex jones
Imagine if a right-winger had done a terror attack in Manchester, how big the news story would be right now.
Let that sink in.
Again, Dylann Roof kills nine innocent people.
It's the end of the world.
Every gun over, every Christian, every conservative is responsible.
Six months of bitching and whining and moaning and screaming and flipping out like it was the end of the world.
Pull down every southern statue.
Blah, blah, blah.
That one man was guilty.
His ideology is very rare in this country.
jordan holmes
Bullshit!
alex jones
But not as long.
Are there a billion and a half Dylan Roof's out there?
No.
There's very few of them.
dan friesen
So just for fun, I went to Stormfront today and I checked out their message board and at noon there were 1,871 active users online at noon.
There are 324,314 registered members of the Stormfront racist There's 300,000 of them?
And that's just people who have registered.
jordan holmes
Fuck me.
dan friesen
A lot of people who buy into that ideology wouldn't register because they know, like, now I'm on a list.
jordan holmes
Now you're being on a list, yeah.
dan friesen
So there's probably at least double that who frequent the site.
So, I mean, sure, there aren't a billion and a half Dylann roofs, but there aren't a billion and a half radical Muslims either.
Dumbass.
Like, 600,000 is a very conservative estimate for people who buy into Basically, what is neo-Nazi ideology today in our country?
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
That's way too many.
That's a huge subsection.
jordan holmes
We have literally an army of Nazis in the United States.
dan friesen
Underneath the surface.
But let's not deal with that.
jordan holmes
Un-fucking-believable.
dan friesen
Let's not deal with that.
jordan holmes
Jesus Christ.
dan friesen
Let's just ignore that.
Let's also ignore that multiple stabbing in Portland that was...
That happened because a guy defended some women against racist yelling.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Let's just ignore that.
And you know what?
If it was a right-winger who did it, it would be a big story.
But it's still a big story.
You know what I mean?
He's trying to say that no one's covering it or they aren't saying it was a Muslim who did it.
And that's not true.
jordan holmes
Not even close.
dan friesen
His version of reality is that no one's talking about that.
And people are talking about that.
Everybody has brought that up.
They're just not focusing on the way he wants them to.
He wants them to focus in on the fact that...
jordan holmes
It's the religion.
He wants them to say, it is not the guy.
It is the religion that killed all these people.
dan friesen
He wants everything like this to be the last straw.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
That finally everyone wakes up and realizes, ah, shit, it was Muslims all along.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
And that's not real.
That's not true to reality.
And no, we're not going to do that.
No one's going to do that.
Except for those 300,000 registered users of Stormfront.
jordan holmes
Yep, they're definitely going to do that.
dan friesen
Also, when I went to Stormfront, accidentally, I started looking around.
jordan holmes
Yeah?
You are definitely on a list now.
dan friesen
There's a whole dating section.
It's really funny.
jordan holmes
Oh my god.
dan friesen
It's like, what does a white nationalist lady want in a man?
jordan holmes
Wait, is it like a dating advice section?
dan friesen
Yeah, it's a message.
jordan holmes
It's not like a dating website.
Like, find the Nazi for you.
dan friesen
No, no, no.
It's a message board.
jordan holmes
Nazisonly.com.
dan friesen
People can post whatever discussion topics they want.
And the only one I read was, what does a white nationalist lady want?
And it's hilarious.
jordan holmes
That is a good question.
dan friesen
It's hilarious.
jordan holmes
What does a white nationalist lady want?
dan friesen
Well, this guy comes in and he has all this, like, you know what?
I try and build up my morals to the point where I think that I am far more moral and upright than anybody in this, even in the South.
Even in my conservative community, I'm still above them.
But I realize that women want a guy who's hard.
unidentified
Oh, it always gets back to that.
dan friesen
Yeah, and so he's like, I'm gonna work on building up my hardness, or whatever, and then women, supposed women, who knows, chime in about what they're looking for, and then a bunch of dudes pile on, and it's like, hey, it sounds like you're trying to mold yourself into what women want, and no woman likes that!
unidentified
It's just...
dan friesen
It was hilarious.
jordan holmes
It's a bunch of dudes speculating on the, like, what...
So many of them seem to have that idea of like, there's a secret key.
If I am in a situation where all the men around me are reinforcing my same shared belief, then of course you would think all the women out there are doing exactly the same thing.
So you think in your small Stormfront community that it's all men.
Or it's all men.
dan friesen
Everyone else is dumb.
jordan holmes
Everybody else is, yeah.
They're not even your competition.
dan friesen
No.
You're more moral than them.
jordan holmes
Yeah, exactly.
You're the better man.
dan friesen
And you can see through the race-mixing lies that society gives us.
jordan holmes
Yeah, exactly.
dan friesen
So, of course, you're above everybody.
jordan holmes
So then you have to assume that there is that equal and opposite to your little group there, and you're trying to figure out that.
And you can't for a second...
Imagine that women have agency.
To them, it seems like what I hear whenever I hear that is women are puzzle boxes.
Women are robots.
You have to press the right buttons for every single woman and it works every single time.
dan friesen
There's a magic key.
jordan holmes
There's no concept that women have their own agency and are their own people.
dan friesen
And have individual likes and dislikes.
jordan holmes
And part of that is that, yes, There are white nationalist women, and they will fuck you.
dan friesen
Yeah, it's just got to be white nationalist enough.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
Here's how you find...
What does a white nationalist woman want?
Probably you.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Another white nationalist.
Because she's not getting it anywhere else.
dan friesen
You know what's really fucked up, too?
jordan holmes
Well, actually, let me change that.
You know what white nationalist women want?
Black dudes.
dan friesen
Jesus.
You're buying into the whole narrative now.
jordan holmes
No, I'm just kidding.
dan friesen
I know you're fucking around.
But, like, you know what's really fucked up is that, like, Alex always talks about, like, get a Trump-Pence 2020 shirt, get a MAGA hat or whatever, these sorts of things, and you'll meet like-minded people.
And he's not wrong.
jordan holmes
No, he's not.
dan friesen
That is how you meet if you're a weirdo.
Get Infowars shirts, and you wear it out in public, a lot of people are going to ignore you.
A lot of people are going to laugh at you.
But then there's a small group.
Who are going to respond like sees like, and then you will find like-minded people.
jordan holmes
So you just found Alex's way better sales pitch for that.
Buy a Trump-Pence 2020 shirt, and you'll get laid.
dan friesen
You'll get laid from a weirdo.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
You'll get laid by someone just as weird as you.
jordan holmes
Fuck a lunatic, buy a shirt.
dan friesen
Yeah.
alex jones
But imagine, oh, it's not Islam.
Oh, no, no.
It's the hate of Islam that caused this to happen.
Yes, it's the right wing's fault, CNN said.
We played the clip yesterday.
False flag, ladies and gentlemen.
Was this a false flag?
A real terrorist hit, but they brought in the individual that engaged in this.
So, in a way, it is a globalist false flag to use these terror attacks to take our liberties.
And more straight ahead.
I'm Alex Jones.
jordan holmes
That he does not understand.
dan friesen
Isn't it amazing?
jordan holmes
At all.
dan friesen
I just love that going out to break.
I'm Alex Jones.
Big.
Doesn't say anything.
And then just rubble.
Couldn't figure out what big.
jordan holmes
Big.
Tom Hanks.
unidentified
No.
jordan holmes
God damn it.
dan friesen
Also, this memo he's been teasing and playing with on the mic for this entire episode had two things on it.
One of them was...
What if a right-winger did it?
And then, is this a false flag?
I don't believe for a second you couldn't remember those two things, Alex.
Those are your go-tos.
And then on top of that, he's like, he says that Nico, one of the assistants there, one of the functionaries at InfoWars.
jordan holmes
Actually, Nico Case, weird, weird thing for her to do, but she's been there for five, ten years.
dan friesen
Nico has said, you know, like, hey, you've been preparing all weekend.
jordan holmes
That's your memo?
That's the insight you're bringing?
dan friesen
That's nuts.
unidentified
I think Nico's pretty disappointed to be honest.
dan friesen
I think Nico might not have said that.
Also, it could be Nico from the Velvet Underground to Nico.
jordan holmes
Oh, that's true.
dan friesen
I think she's dead.
So that would explain why Alex is just misquoting.
jordan holmes
The thing that I think he really does believe is...
So the argument for it is the right wing's fault.
Terrorism is the right wing's fault.
That's the way it is.
Because of the way that they're inflaming it.
The more you fucking murder large groups of people, the more likely you are to create...
Terrorists.
dan friesen
And that's Democrats' fault, too, when they've been in power.
jordan holmes
No, absolutely.
dan friesen
It's not to say that it's just the right wing's fault.
jordan holmes
No, I mean, it's the American government's fault.
dan friesen
Totally.
jordan holmes
But again, Alex fanning those flames of Muslim hating, of doing all of this stuff, is only going to create the equal and opposite reaction on the other side.
unidentified
Especially...
jordan holmes
It is not a...
To him when he hears it's the right's fault, he thinks that they're saying it's the right...
Doing it.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
That it's the false flag.
That's what he thinks they're saying, is he thinks that it's actually right-wing people who are committing, or he thinks they're saying that they think right-wing people are committing terrorism as a false flag.
dan friesen
It's possible that he's saying that.
jordan holmes
That's what he's saying.
I think that's exactly what he thinks.
dan friesen
I gotta say it's possible.
I don't know, because he's...
Weird.
jordan holmes
Why else would he say false flag, though?
dan friesen
Because he always says false flag.
jordan holmes
I know he always says false flag, but that's why he believes that.
Because he can't imagine the idea of something being a structural cause as opposed to being a literal cause.
dan friesen
He doesn't understand complex systems and stuff like that.
But I think when he's saying false flag, he means not that the right is involved necessarily, but it's the globalists.
Who have done this, they've goaded this person into doing it, or it's a patsy or something like that, in order to try and spark a race war.
I don't know.
That's what he means by false flag.
jordan holmes
Helter Skelter.
dan friesen
Right.
unidentified
But again, it's like, dude, that was the memo?
jordan holmes
Get to the goddamn big news!
dan friesen
I got bad news for you.
He's not going to.
jordan holmes
He's not?
dan friesen
Not yet.
jordan holmes
But he's got big news!
dan friesen
He does, but first he has to explain that Jerome Corsi has set up a dead man's drive.
In case, like, if you're out there and you're listening to InfoWars on Thursday and you think that you're going to stop this information getting out by killing Corsi, you're fucking wrong.
And Alex is going to explain.
jordan holmes
Wait, like an 80s spy movie?
dan friesen
More or less.
unidentified
Okay.
alex jones
Now, our D.C. Bureau Chief, with offices and crew that he's hiring, with White House Press Passes, contacted me this morning as he was going into a very important meeting.
To say that if he gets killed any time before next Tuesday, when he has been authorized to release information on this broadcast, then I am to contact a certain U.S. representative in the Capitol.
And I'll leave it there.
jordan holmes
Which one?
dan friesen
He's going to leave it there.
jordan holmes
Okay.
I do like he's finally swinging his dick around on Corsi's White House press credentials.
dan friesen
Like we told him to.
jordan holmes
Yeah, like last time whenever he was defensive.
He must be listening.
Yeah, he's finally like, hey, this guy with White House press credentials, you know my man, you know my man with the White House press credentials.
dan friesen
He's hiring people.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah, we got that swinging dick around.
dan friesen
So, Alex knows the senator or congressperson, whatever.
jordan holmes
Let's put him in the house.
dan friesen
They'll leave it at that.
jordan holmes
Let's put him, him, and it's, oh.
dan friesen
So, I'm just going to leave it at that.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
So, in case Corsi dies, we got this guy to contact.
alex jones
Right.
jordan holmes
Why haven't you...
Why wouldn't you have contacted him already?
dan friesen
I feel like that...
jordan holmes
Theorize with me here for just a second.
dan friesen
Okay.
jordan holmes
What could possibly satisfy all of the needs of this story?
A lie.
dan friesen
Propaganda.
jordan holmes
No, no, no.
It's got to be...
Like, if this is...
Entertain, this may be real.
dan friesen
Okay.
unidentified
Okay.
dan friesen
Because if it's not, everything is satisfied.
jordan holmes
Nothing.
Yeah, of course.
dan friesen
All of the requirements are satisfied if this is bullshit.
jordan holmes
Yeah, which it is.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
But let's say it's not.
dan friesen
Okay.
jordan holmes
Let's theorize here.
What satisfies all the requirements of this story, okay?
You have...
You can't wait for this information to drop till Tuesday.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
Figure out anything that would actually be...
unidentified
That would make sense for that.
dan friesen
Okay, no, no.
I've come up with a scenario.
jordan holmes
Okay, here we go.
dan friesen
This person in the house is going to flee the country on Monday.
unidentified
Oh!
jordan holmes
There we go!
dan friesen
But his tickets, his plane tickets are non-refundable.
So he can't move them up and get out of the country before then.
But once he's out of the country, of course he is free to speak freely.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right.
dan friesen
He's going underground, baby.
jordan holmes
So then if...
If Corsi gets murdered, that's when you contact him and he moves his flight up.
dan friesen
No, no, no.
Of Corsi gets killed.
You don't call that guy at all.
That guy's not answering your phone.
That's going to give you a lead on who his source was.
That's going to out the fucking congressperson.
jordan holmes
But I thought that's what he was saying, right?
unidentified
No, no.
dan friesen
I'm being the external person being like, hey, congressperson, don't give Alex a fucking phone.
jordan holmes
Well, he doesn't have a choice.
It's in Corsi's dead drop.
dan friesen
But then also, let's fucking take a look at this.
If all this is true, Corsi has given up his source to Alex.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Which I don't know if...
jordan holmes
That's a bad idea.
As Donald Trump's sons know, it's a bad idea to give up your source to Alex.
dan friesen
Yeah, he's going to have to apologize about it later.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Look, dude, I don't know.
It's really hard to get myself in this headspace because I know it's all full of shit.
unidentified
Right.
jordan holmes
So then why do you kill Corsi, though?
dan friesen
You don't.
jordan holmes
What information is...
What information could Corsi possibly have that requires his death?
dan friesen
Well, I know what the narrative is going to be, so I don't want to speculate, but I'd love to see what you think.
What do you think was worth killing Corsi over?
unidentified
Okay.
dan friesen
Besides a sandwich.
jordan holmes
Okay.
So...
Corsi has information from the member of the House.
dan friesen
Yes.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
High-level stuff.
jordan holmes
High-level stuff.
Okay.
Who's killing him?
dan friesen
The people who the information is about, I assume.
jordan holmes
Right, right.
So that has to be the globalists.
We can sweep aside, you know, call it Hillary or a witch.
Doesn't matter.
Globalists.
dan friesen
I don't want to put this too succinctly, but duh.
jordan holmes
All right.
I'm sorry.
I'm still half and half.
Like, I'm in the conspiracy theorist world, and at the same time, I'm like, Well, we should find a reasonable antagonist here.
dan friesen
I mean, of course it's the globalist.
jordan holmes
Of course it's the globalist.
dan friesen
This is about the globalist.
jordan holmes
So this is information that can take the globalist down.
dan friesen
Totally.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
It'll expose their plots.
jordan holmes
They have to get rid of Corsi, because this could destroy them all.
Right?
dan friesen
So what is it?
jordan holmes
And why wait till Tuesday?
dan friesen
Again, the flight.
jordan holmes
Move your flight up, dude.
dan friesen
It was good pricing for Memorial Day.
It was a Memorial Day sale.
jordan holmes
Get on that travel zoo.
That's what you got to do.
You got a Groupon rate.
That's really what happened there.
dan friesen
There's more discussion of the dead drop here, though.
alex jones
These are real conversations.
I'm in a real spy movie here.
So are you.
This country is in a civil war and in deep crisis.
It upsets me with the American people with all you've seen come out and all the criminality of the Democrats to not understand how much trouble we're in and how serious this is.
dan friesen
It's very serious.
jordan holmes
It is serious.
dan friesen
That's why we're laughing our asses off.
So I know I've been fucking pranking you a little bit and saying we're about to get to the big news and then Alex...
jordan holmes
Yeah, I know.
You're...
You're just as bad as Alex on this right now.
dan friesen
We're actually going to get to the news.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
The first piece of the big news is this next clip.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
And then spoiler alert.
jordan holmes
What's the spoiler?
dan friesen
The next clip after this is what I've been teasing this entire episode, which is what I think this is all about.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
So the next two clips...
jordan holmes
It all becomes clear.
dan friesen
This isn't the end of the episode, but I think we can figure out what's real and what's not in the next two clips.
Here's the first one.
This is Alex.
jordan holmes
I swear to God, if this doesn't have anything to do with the big news, I quit.
dan friesen
You're going to be working here a long time, my friend, because this is the real news.
alex jones
The Democrats wanted other Democrats and others to know that Seth Rich had been executed.
The news wanted it to come out that none of his stuff was stolen.
You know the D.C. police was appointed by Obama.
They let the anarchist and antifa and communists in Black Lives Matter beat up tens of thousands of people, including children and women, trying to go into the convention or trying to go into the inauguration.
So the sky's the limit with these people, and he's got major confirmed intel on Seth Rich.
dan friesen
He doesn't.
jordan holmes
Oh, so that's the info that Corsi has.
Confirmed info on who murdered Seth Rich.
dan friesen
Yep.
A lot of this comes from 4chan posts, I'm sure.
jordan holmes
Of course.
dan friesen
They have a bunch of people who have figured out all of these weird connections and none of it's really based on anything or real.
But I've seen a bunch of posts on conspiracy blogs and stuff like, we've solved it!
This is what people need to look into!
And I...
I don't even want to get into the specifics because it's so convoluted and I don't fully understand.
jordan holmes
Yeah, what I understand is hopefully Hannity gets taken off the air.
dan friesen
Well, that's what our next clip is going to get into.
unidentified
Oh, yeah?
dan friesen
But just to be clear, there's a bunch of new stuff that's been flying around about the Seth Rich situation.
unidentified
God damn it.
dan friesen
And I would like everyone to really look at what people are saying.
I'm not saying that if you believe that conspiracy, you belong in hell, like some folks have said.
I'm not going to go that far.
But when you hear something like...
jordan holmes
You belong hell adjacent.
dan friesen
You belong in an apartment on the outskirts of hell.
I think that it's really important whenever you're looking at a piece of news or some conspiracy theory, propaganda nonsense that comes flying in your face, really take a look at...
jordan holmes
Louise Mensch.
dan friesen
Sure.
Really take a look at what's being said and analyze it.
The things that keep popping up now, the new version of it, and I think Alex is going to get to it eventually, and I'm sure this is part of what Corsi is going to go over, is that Donna Brazile, a member of the DNC architecture...
jordan holmes
I recall her.
dan friesen
She was the one who got popped for delivering questions to Clinton and stuff.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
After, just after...
unidentified
Which, how fucking stupid can you be?
jordan holmes
Why would you do that?
dan friesen
Pretty dumb.
jordan holmes
That's so fucking stupid.
dan friesen
I don't defend it.
I'm not here to back that up.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
So apparently, a little bit after Seth Rich was killed, she asked the private investigator why he was snooping around.
And that's the phrase that's used on, like, WorldNet, Daily, and these sites.
unidentified
Snooping!
jordan holmes
We're in a real-life spy movie.
There's snooping going on.
dan friesen
The reality is, at the time, there was an investigation going on by the police, by the actual official folks, and the private investigator in question is the guy who has impeached himself on national television that we discussed on the last episode.
jordan holmes
Oh, it's that guy.
dan friesen
It's that guy who said that there is evidence.
That Seth Rich was in communication with WikiLeaks, and then when he was interviewed about it later, said that he got that information from Fox News reporters.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
They fed him his own information.
dan friesen
He is not a guy with any real credibility, and the idea that Donna Brazile would have been like, what are you doing?
There is an actual investigation going on.
Isn't really any evidence of a cover-up.
It is nothing, but people are spinning it as it is.
jordan holmes
The question could literally have been like, Hey, what are you doing?
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
Like, are you here to fix the plumbing?
Like, what are you doing?
dan friesen
I'm certain that some of that will be incorporated into Jerome Corsi's big reporting.
jordan holmes
Of course.
dan friesen
The other thing that Hannity has been pushing and has gotten some traction online is Kim.com, the guy who created Mega Upload, and the guy who has four...
He's been trying to destroy Hillary Clinton because he believes that she's responsible for a lot of his falls from grace, which are not accurate.
That's not an accurate depiction.
jordan holmes
Nope.
dan friesen
But when bad things happen to you, you have to find a scapegoat, and Hillary is his.
jordan holmes
Hillary's a lot of people's scapegoats.
dan friesen
Totally.
Larry Nichols?
jordan holmes
Oh, man.
dan friesen
Kim.com.
So, Kim.com has been saying that he has definitive proof that there was emails between...
Seth Rich and WikiLeaks.
jordan holmes
And I'm sure when he was pressed for that by Hannity, he freely gave all that information and proved it to be true.
dan friesen
Nope, he said he had to talk to his lawyer and he'd announce stuff later.
jordan holmes
Oh, no!
dan friesen
And he gave the date of last Tuesday as the day that he was going to do that.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
He did not make any real announcement.
No, but what did happen is that Seth Rich's parents announced, they put out a statement that...
Kim.com tried to hack Seth Rich's email.
jordan holmes
Fuck!
I didn't know that.
dan friesen
They got an...
So, Seth Rich's dad still has access to his email account.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
And he monitors it for, you know...
jordan holmes
Obvious reasons.
dan friesen
He, last week, got an email from Megaupload.nz or whatever.
Megaload.nz.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
New Zealand account, which is where Kim.com is operating from.
jordan holmes
Of course.
dan friesen
And it was an invitation to join a thing.
It was clearly a phishing attempt.
So...
jordan holmes
It was that obvious?
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Well, I mean, that did work for the DNC.
dan friesen
Totally.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And also...
jordan holmes
That was...
Wow.
dan friesen
Also, you know, like...
So basically, he was trying to hack the emails so he could plant emails there.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
That's obviously what was going on.
And that would have been his bombshell proof that he'd end up dropping on Hannity and the world.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
He has fabricated emails and evidence in the past of stuff.
He has a real bad track record and is a notorious hacker.
So this stuff...
unidentified
Well, not that great of one, apparently.
dan friesen
mega upload was pretty cool and I'm not against that.
But be that as it may, all of this stuff that's coming out, these new things about Seth Rich are all bullshit and attempts by people who are pushing the story to fabricate stuff to back up the story.
Right.
unidentified
Which when you're doing that, you're not interested in the truth.
dan friesen
You're interested in pushing this to deflect from something else.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
dan friesen
And that something else, in the case of people like Kim.com, people like Hannity, is that the walls are closing in on the Trump team.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
The walls are closing in, and they keep getting out of sticky pickles, sticky wickets, whatever.
They keep getting out of these really tight situations, but eventually the luck is going to run out.
jordan holmes
Hopefully.
dan friesen
One of these things is going to stick, and it might be this fucking Kushner thing.
With the back channel.
jordan holmes
Hopefully.
dan friesen
Hopefully.
But they know that, and that's why they're pushing this Seth Rich shit so hard.
And it's undignified.
It's disgraceful.
It's putting his family through a lot of shit.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
It's very bad.
jordan holmes
Well, that's a sacrifice they're willing to make.
unidentified
Totally.
jordan holmes
Somebody else's family who they don't care about.
dan friesen
Well, I mean, Roger Stone...
jordan holmes
And if you're gonna pull...
If they're gonna give you what you think is a fake conspiracy theory...
Why wouldn't you give them their own medicine back?
dan friesen
It's Corsi style.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
dan friesen
So the thing is, like, Roger Stone even tweeted that, like, the family of Seth Rich deserves privacy, but the American people deserve truth more.
unidentified
Uh...
dan friesen
Which is something that people who are...
jordan holmes
Oh, yeah?
Roger Stone?
dan friesen
Yeah.
unidentified
Huh?
jordan holmes
Roger Stone?
unidentified
You gonna start talking about how the American people deserve truth?
dan friesen
Yeah, you might...
jordan holmes
You're the guy that we look to there.
dan friesen
You might live to regret that comment.
So, this next clip, Alex gets into Hannity's situation with the Seth Rich information.
jordan holmes
I just imagine that all of these guys wind up in the same Ecuadorian embassy as Julian Assange.
dan friesen
All in the same room?
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah.
That's a sitcom.
That's a sitcom right there.
dan friesen
Oh, yeah.
Let's get to fucking writing one of these things.
jordan holmes
And why not the ghost of Saddam Hussein is there, too?
dan friesen
Sure, sure.
And their antagonist is Hamdi Ulukaya.
He keeps trying to be nice to them, but they take it as an attack.
So Alex discusses Hannity's situation.
jordan holmes
I just can't wait for the episode where they put tape on the floor and say, this side is yours.
But there's eight of them, so they all get like a four-square situation.
dan friesen
Or it's like a pizza pie.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Each get a triangle of the room.
jordan holmes
Oh, they're not smart enough to figure out the best geometric way to maximize their space.
Of course not.
dan friesen
Come on.
Of course not.
Here we go.
Alex is going to talk about Hannity.
And I believe over the course of this clip, Alex shows his cards and we get a glimpse into why he's pushing this extreme narrative, giving you the Tuesday to look forward to, really trying to ramp things up.
I think it's in here.
alex jones
And Sean Hannity being attacked and losing sponsors, and they're talking about taking him off air right now, even if it kills Fox News, which has gone from number one in the ratings to number two.
dan friesen
Actually, number three.
alex jones
They want to kill Fox News.
I told you that back in the convention in July that was the plan to take it out.
They meant to already have Hillary in and already be converting everything and already be shutting us down.
But it didn't happen, so now there's a civil war.
We didn't win when Trump got in.
We just bought time and have an emergency beachhead.
unidentified
Oh.
Oh.
Thank you.
Thank you.
alex jones
I mean, this is getting bad, ladies and gentlemen, where they're pulling Sean Hannity off the air just to...
Send a message.
dan friesen
That's not why.
alex jones
People say, oh, well, Sean Hannity's not perfect.
jordan holmes
Don't fuck up other people's lives, asshole.
alex jones
Nobody's perfect, but he's not out to get the country.
Limbaugh's not out to get the country.
I'm not out to get the country.
Matt Drudge isn't out to get the country.
Donald Trump's not out to get the country.
We believe in free market, Second Amendment, religious freedom, true liberalism.
We're under attack.
jordan holmes
Except for other religions.
alex jones
Because we're Americans.
Because we're loyal.
because we're good.
unidentified
So, Everything Hannity's going through, we're going through.
alex jones
And that's why I ask our affiliates to stay with us and to support us.
That's why I ask our listeners more than ever to contact your local affiliates and thank them and to become a sponsor or support their sponsors and send them $100, $1,000.
It's all about money.
The globalists are coming in, trying to shut these stations down, trying to skip their advertisers, or flat out offering them big money to take us off the air.
Do you understand that if they succeed in this...
The sky's the limit.
They're making their move on us right now, and that's on you.
dan friesen
That's on you.
jordan holmes
That's on you?
dan friesen
He's basically saying, you've got to defend us from this attack.
jordan holmes
Of course.
Close ranks!
dan friesen
Alex drops a little bit later in the episode.
I didn't cut it out because I lost track of where it was in the episode.
But he says that they've lost, like in the last week, something like 15 affiliates.
jordan holmes
Fuck yeah.
dan friesen
That's what this is about.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's exactly what this is about.
dan friesen
That's 100% what this is about.
unidentified
Wow.
dan friesen
A bunch of other stuff that I cut out from this episode, because I don't give a fuck.
Is just Alex bragging about how great InfoWars coverage is and about how we're right all the time.
He's trying to shore up his credibility at the same time as he's creating this fantastical narrative where we're the new fucking Woodward and Bernstein.
We're going to break this story that's bigger than Watergate.
At the same time, let's spend about ten minutes on this episode interviewing Millie Weaver about how she unmasked a member of Antifa.
They did do this interview.
And throughout the course of it, what you learn is that Millie Weaver was just repeating things she read on 4chan.
jordan holmes
No!
dan friesen
So they're like, we got this right.
We outed this guy.
And then...
When they actually play the report that Millie Weaver put in, it's just her and Leanne McAdoo talking about pictures they found on 4chan.
And then Alex is like, we salute 4chan.
It's like, do you know that there's a lot of illegal pornography on there?
jordan holmes
They do not understand 4chan at all.
dan friesen
Do you know what goes on?
Yeah.
Do you know?
Yeah.
So, I mean, like, sure.
Great.
jordan holmes
I don't think I want Rainbow Bright on 4chan.
Rainbow Snatch, that's right.
dan friesen
Rainbow Bright's a real...
That's trademarked.
jordan holmes
Yeah, you're right.
I apologize to Rainbow Snatch for the insult.
I'm a big fan...
dan friesen
Alex sees the end of the road.
jordan holmes
I'm a big fan of the thing that he said, which he's...
Like, for the longest time, he's been continuing to make it a fight.
You know, like...
Even though we won, they're still trying to do exactly what they would have done with Hillary in.
dan friesen
He has to do that.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
But the fact that he said right then, we didn't win.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
That's what, to me, seems like is laying the groundwork for that dismount.
dan friesen
He said that before, though.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
He said that this was just a temporary win.
It's not like, Trump doesn't solve everything, blah, blah, blah.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
That sort of shit.
That's not totally new rhetorically, but it does sound...
jordan holmes
It sounds grim.
dan friesen
It sounds grim in this case.
jordan holmes
It sounds like his swinging dick from when we got Trump elected is turning into, oh, this is going south.
dan friesen
This has created way more issues for us.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Because we don't know how to play this game.
unidentified
Uh-uh.
dan friesen
So the other thing, too, that I think is important to bring into this conversation, because it's absolutely clear, based on Alex's own words, that they're losing affiliates.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And granted, he doesn't make money from affiliating or from syndication, but at the same time, that's...
Thousands of ears that hear him do all of these long commercials on his show.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
So that's going to cut deep into his profits.
He says like 15 or 20 have left.
jordan holmes
And it's not the small town 15 or 20 affiliates.
Probably not.
It's not the hundreds of people who are listening in, what, Arkansas or some, like, backwoods Arkansas.
dan friesen
We went over all those tiny markets on our, like, third episode.
jordan holmes
It's the bigger markets who are dropping them.
dan friesen
Probably.
jordan holmes
They're the only ones who have any, like, advertising pressure on them.
dan friesen
And any liberal audiences that are like, get the fuck off the radio.
jordan holmes
Yeah, exactly.
dan friesen
That's probably true.
And then also...
He plays super fast and loose about the number of affiliates that he has.
jordan holmes
Affiliates he actually has, which we've estimated is like 95 or something like that.
dan friesen
Well, the only concrete numbers we can get from Genesis Communications Network, which syndicates his show, was that they had like 85 back in 2015.
He claims that we keep them secret now so people can't boycott us.
He lost 15 last week keeping them secret.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Not doing a great job.
The people who listen to the radio are not being kept in the dark about it.
dan friesen
He claimed he had like 220 or something like that before this fall or whatever.
But I don't believe that number.
jordan holmes
Well, he also doesn't have 48 million people a week listening to it.
dan friesen
No.
And that brings us to the other part of what I think this is really about.
A story broke in Vanity Fair at the end of last week.
That was about Breitbart's traffic.
jordan holmes
Yeah, dropped by 50%.
dan friesen
Overnight.
jordan holmes
Fuck yeah.
dan friesen
Breitbart's traffic shot up precipitously to the point where they were like the 26th most visited website in the world around December of last year, 2016.
It stayed up around there and then dropped hard May.
Just dropped 50% down.
jordan holmes
Which has to be computer.
It has to be computer generated.
dan friesen
And if you compare that with other...
Vanity Fair has a graph where they show other right-wing media.
It's all just going down also.
Not at the same...
jordan holmes
No, not at that same precipice.
See, that's the thing.
If it was that...
Of course there's going to be that slow slide as they continue to reject reality further and further and further.
If you are at all interested in the Trump story, even if you support Trump...
I think it's not even...
Of course traffic to your conservative bullshit is going to go down.
If there's a cliff, though, that is an algorithm.
dan friesen
Totally.
unidentified
That's math.
dan friesen
There's a comment.
The statistics come from Alexa, which we've explored in the past.
Right.
unidentified
They are a web traffic statistic site.
dan friesen
It's basically used for advertising and shit.
And Vanity Fair reached out to Alexa.
And when you run a website, you can turn off that certified thing.
And at that point, they don't know if it's real traffic coming to your website or not.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
And apparently, that stretch was a period of time where Breitbart had opted out of the certified statistics.
jordan holmes
And then they opted in.
dan friesen
Probably.
jordan holmes
Oh, no.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
And the article mentions that the time period where they were opted out matches up perfectly with the up and the down.
jordan holmes
Right.
Well, that would probably happen for just about...
For most websites.
dan friesen
But not to that extent.
jordan holmes
Not to that extent, though.
That's what I'm saying.
If you opt out of certified traffic, you're probably going to see an uptick of what you think is traffic.
dan friesen
There's going to be accidental web crawlers and stuff like that.
jordan holmes
Or just spam shit that goes through there and trolls around.
That kind of a thing.
dan friesen
When I used to run a...
I had a blog way back.
And there would be comments that would constantly come from advertising.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
dan friesen
And if you don't block those things, it'll artificially inflate things.
jordan holmes
Of course.
dan friesen
So I think Alex knows about that and has known about that.
And the fact that they knew that Breitbart's traffic had dropped before that article came out.
Like Breitbart knew that.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And there's a decent chance that Alex knew that.
There's a decent chance that a lot of people knew that.
There is a triangulation of right-wing media that is Drudge up top, Alex Jones and Breitbart as sort of tendrils that come off it.
jordan holmes
Pyramid scheme shit.
dan friesen
Yeah, and so they all feed into each other to some extent.
There's less cross-pollination directly between Breitbart and Infowars.
They don't necessarily promote each other's shit, but they still play in the same kiddie pool that involves sucking up to Drudge.
So if there's something where...
Half of the traffic has dropped for Breitbart overnight.
There's no fucking way Alex doesn't know about that.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
And he has to think...
jordan holmes
When's his drop coming?
dan friesen
Because we don't know from the statistics that are on Alexa.
We don't know if his traffic is certified.
We don't know that.
jordan holmes
We can probably assume it's not.
dan friesen
But we don't know.
jordan holmes
I think it's safe to assume it's not.
dan friesen
We don't know.
unidentified
We have no idea.
dan friesen
We have no idea.
jordan holmes
But it would lend credence to my suspicion that, once again, you are the only person listening to a show.
dan friesen
It's trending downward, certainly.
Traffic to InfoWars and what have you.
But it's...
I mean, I just...
I can't believe a scenario wherein, like, Alex doesn't see this Vanity Fair article as a real warning sign.
Like a real dangerous sign.
It could either be that he knows that a lot of his traffic is bullshit and it's about to come out into the open.
That's one possibility.
The other possibility is...
is, oh shit, this ideology that we've all been backing isn't as popular as I thought it was.
Right.
unidentified
There's a part of it that could just be like, the wool is pulled from his eyes.
dan friesen
It's like, oh shit, they were faking it all along.
Oh no.
Right.
unidentified
Oh God, so much of my...
dan friesen
So much of my believing in Trump was based on articles in Breitbart, probably.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Oh, no.
I got played.
jordan holmes
I don't think he could ever...
He could never, ever admit that to himself.
dan friesen
But that doesn't mean he can't feel it.
Even if he doesn't admit it, it doesn't mean that it's not somewhere buried deep down.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
That combined with the very real and self-admitted losing a ton of affiliates, and it's not like that's going to stop.
That bleeding is not going to stop.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
He knows I am fucked.
I am so fucked.
And at the same time, this rush of shit is going down.
It's just so bad.
Everything is falling apart.
The chips are gone.
He's at the table.
He's at the poker table.
He's got like one chip left.
And there's a guy who's going to force him all in.
That is where he's at.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
He's got a chip and a chair.
He's got a hope.
But he is not looking good.
jordan holmes
Man, how does this...
Man, what goes down?
What's his out?
dan friesen
Murdering Jerome Corsi?
Sacrificing Corsi to the god of traffic?
jordan holmes
Yeah, that could be...
It's the same thing for all of these guys right now.
It seems like what's really being revealed is that the conservative consciousness...
Is way less popular than it's given attention to.
dan friesen
Big time.
jordan holmes
So a lot of that...
dan friesen
That's why Trump sends out emails fundraising with a 48% approval rating where he's like, thumbs up it.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, exactly.
Jesus Christ, dude.
dan friesen
What are you doing?
jordan holmes
Yeah.
No, just like we talked about with the Twitter bots, where...
What their job is, is to amplify this stuff.
dan friesen
Manufacture the appearance of agreement.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
dan friesen
Of popularity.
jordan holmes
Make a story into the echo chamber.
Push it as high up as it can go.
And that makes you and I think this is a far more popular, far larger movement than what we would expect.
Like if everybody actually knew that all of these guys were really just marginalized and a very small group of people, we wouldn't be paying as much attention to them.
dan friesen
I would still pay attention to Alex.
jordan holmes
I don't mean you and I. I mean the culture at large.
Why would you be reporting on what Breitbart says if it's, what, 300,000 fucks from Stormfront?
Stormfront isn't being reported, isn't being manipulated and put into the larger consciousness.
dan friesen
No, not really.
jordan holmes
So why would you pay attention to it if Breitbart is just Stormfront?
So, if there's not a lot of them...
Then those conservatives in Congress and all of those people, you see that as transparent as the voter suppression is, it's their only hope.
There's no chance for them if real people get involved.
There's zero chance.
There is no ideology more unpopular right now than the shit conservatives believe.
dan friesen
It seems that way.
And I think over the recess, with people going back to their places where their constituents are...
jordan holmes
They're gonna murder Jerome Corsi.
dan friesen
I think that you're gonna see a lot of people, like, doing sit-ins at, like, politicians' headquarters and stuff.
jordan holmes
I fucking hope so.
Everything that comes out is, like, every day you're like, well, this is the one where people are finally gonna start burning shit down.
And then the next day it's something worse and you're like, well, we can't...
We can't just keep putting this off, guys!
dan friesen
Well, no, but that's why we have all the news stories about the clashes between Antifa and the alt-right stuff.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
It's like that serves as like a...
jordan holmes
Which is delightful.
dan friesen
But that serves as like a decompression valve.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
That gets the steam out for everyone, like you and I, sitting around.
It's like, ah, look at these people out there fighting.
There are people who are doing it.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And we don't feel like we have to go out and sit in or something like that.
jordan holmes
Yeah, we can vicariously live through that.
unidentified
Right.
jordan holmes
And I can still have that fantasy in my head of where it'd be like...
Oh, I'd definitely punch a fascist.
dan friesen
Yeah, I'd punch a Proud Boy.
jordan holmes
Yeah, God, I would punch a Proud Boy, though.
I think that's something that I fully support and truly believe in myself, that if a Proud Boy came up to me and said, Hey, Jordan, I'm a Proud Boy.
dan friesen
Pop.
jordan holmes
Punch him in the face.
dan friesen
Punch him right in that kisser.
jordan holmes
Right in that goddamn face.
dan friesen
So, I think that...
I mean, I'm using a little bit of speculation in terms of what I think is really going on, but I think it has much more of a factual basis than Jerome Corsi has stumbled into information that will get him killed.
And because this...
Hypothetical congressperson is going to flee the country on Monday.
I can't talk about it until Tuesday.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Even though that's our fake version of why he can't talk about it until Tuesday.
But who cares?
jordan holmes
That's the best we can do.
dan friesen
So that's his first narrative.
If you recall, there were two pieces of information.
jordan holmes
The memo and the big news.
dan friesen
No, there were two pieces of information within the big news that Alex has the green light to talk about.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
There's two that he doesn't.
jordan holmes
Democrats wanted Democrats to know.
dan friesen
Right.
As a message.
jordan holmes
As a message.
And then it was Kim.com and Hannity and...
dan friesen
No, that's not...
Those are just...
That's just background.
jordan holmes
Oh, that's right.
That's right.
No, then the next thing is we're losing affiliates.
dan friesen
Actually, no, that's just what I think is going on behind the scenes.
unidentified
Okay.
dan friesen
That's what I think the reality is.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
It's motivating this.
There's still a second piece of big news to get to.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
Which we will in just a second.
jordan holmes
Oh, I thought we had already gotten that one.
dan friesen
No, no.
Anyway, here's the second piece.
alex jones
So let me give you the big news here that I'm allowed to give you.
And this has already been confirmed, but Trump has total proof.
jordan holmes
Has it.
alex jones
And has been sitting on it because he gives out national security information.
unidentified
Has it.
alex jones
But he's the president.
He's allowed to declassify.
He has total proof that the Democratic Party itself gave thousands of individuals and multiple large companies complete access to the NSA grid to spy.
on hundreds of thousands of Americans, not thousands, during the election for political control.
And that foreign nationals were allowed access and were allowed to penetrate and to even put in hubs, control hubs into Congress and into the systems, bypassing the firewalls and then transferring the data out of the country.
dan friesen
So, how does that grab you?
jordan holmes
So, he's saying that the Democrats...
Gave the NSA...
No, gave a bunch of people access to the NSA database to monitor hundreds of thousands of people during the election.
dan friesen
For political reasons.
unidentified
What?
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So...
jordan holmes
I mean, I get...
Like, that's...
More believable than anything else he's said so far today.
That's the most believable thing that he's said.
Because frankly, at this point, the NSA seems to have given everybody that fucking information.
And the fucking...
Oh, all the shit that destroyed British hospitals and the NHS.
Like, all of that stuff is them.
Is shit that they're like, we built this amazing toy!
Oh shit, it's gone.
That's them!
dan friesen
So, I think Jerome Corsi's life is safe on this one.
jordan holmes
I'm gonna go with, yeah.
dan friesen
Because he got scooped.
There's a post that came out on Friday on Circa.com.
I'll read you the headline.
Declassified memos show FBI illegally shared spy data on Americans with private parties.
So this news is already out.
Alex should not have waited until Tuesday.
jordan holmes
It's in the white papers.
dan friesen
So this is an article that basically misrepresents the situation.
It links to a declassified report here.
It's 99 pages long, and it is basically...
It's about the certification of Article 702 of the FISA court regulations.
jordan holmes
So we're about to...
Ladies and gentlemen, hang on to your seats.
dan friesen
I'm not...
jordan holmes
Because we're about to get into Article 702.
dan friesen
It has to do with, like, I don't fully understand it because it's very specific, very detailed.
But 702 has to do with collecting of information on foreign individuals.
And there's a lot of rules about how it is done and about how you're not supposed to get American citizens wrapped up in it.
jordan holmes
Yeah, because of laws.
dan friesen
It's the whole conversation that's gone on about unmasking and all this stuff.
It all has to do largely with 702, Section 702.
jordan holmes
And they did collect Americans' data.
Yeah, but a lot of it was incidental.
A lot of it was incidental.
I will admit that.
But they still collected and stored American data.
There's a reason that program was stopped is because it was illegal.
dan friesen
So I read this entire declassified 99-page piece of business.
And it's actually pretty interesting because it has to do with a review.
Of the guidelines that are used to make sure that information doesn't get out.
It has to do basically with what they call minimization procedures.
Basically how you keep things inside.
And the findings that they had.
jordan holmes
If you get an email from Mega Upload, don't click on the link.
dan friesen
Don't do it.
jordan holmes
Don't click on that link!
dan friesen
Kim.com trying to plant something.
Maybe his new EDM CD.
Drop that in your email like he's U2 trying to invade my Apple music.
Get out, Bono.
So the two things that I think are the most important that you can find if you read this are that, as we all know, and we're not comfortable with necessarily, the NSA does collect upstream internet traffic and stuff like that.
They collect in huge databases that can eventually be searched, but those databases are purged after a certain amount of time.
Still fucked up.
But it's perfectly legal according to reviews that they've done based on laws that we may or may not agree with.
jordan holmes
Reviews they've done internally.
dan friesen
Yeah, but again, look, I can't litigate whether the program is right or wrong.
All I can do is talk about the story that Alex is presenting.
jordan holmes
True.
dan friesen
Because if we get into that, then of course we're against it.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And that's too big to unpack.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
So what they've found is that some people...
jordan holmes
Snowden's a hero.
Anyways, continue.
dan friesen
I don't unpack that either.
Some people within the NSA structure had been Googling.
Not Googling, because it's not Google.
jordan holmes
No.
They'd been using a search engine for that data.
dan friesen
Yes, and they had been using U.S. persons, and they'd searched.
And they weren't supposed to.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
You're not supposed to do that.
jordan holmes
Somebody abused a system that was so there for abusing.
dan friesen
Right, but it...
jordan holmes
It was the most abusable system there's ever been.
dan friesen
Upon their review, they're not sure that they really even found anything that they used wrongly.
You know, it's just...
jordan holmes
Yeah, one guy looked up his ex-girlfriend for sure.
Probably.
There's no doubt about that.
dan friesen
Probably.
jordan holmes
There's no doubt about that.
dan friesen
And that's bad.
It's wrong.
jordan holmes
It's super wrong.
dan friesen
But it's not indicative of any of the stuff that Alex is breaking in this story, nor is it indicative of the stuff that's in the Circa story, the story that's talking about this.
When the review that this is a report of, when they looked into it, they deemed that most of this is due to people being unaware of rules.
being unaware of the guidelines and they just basically recommend review teams and that the rules that are in place are satisfactory and they do meet the Fourth Amendment requirements.
The part that Alex was talking about, about giving information to private folks and foreign governments or foreign individuals, that's not in here.
If he's talking about something else, then whatever.
Here's what he might be talking about.
On March 9th, 2016, DOJ oversight personnel conducting a minimization review at the FBI's blank learned that the FBI had disclosed raw FISA information, including but not limited to Section 702 acquired information to a blank, blank, blank.
Blank is part of the blank blank.
jordan holmes
Fascinating read.
dan friesen
Yeah.
And is, quote, largely staffed by private contractors.
Blank blank, certainly blank contractors, had access to raw FISA information on the FBI's storage systems.
The apparent purpose for the FBI granting such access was to receive analytical assistance from blank blank blank blank blank blank blank.
Nevertheless, the contractors had access to raw FISA information that went well beyond what was necessary to respond to the FBI's requests.
Blank.
The FBI discontinued the above-described access to raw FISA information as of April 18th, 2016.
jordan holmes
Oh, okay.
Well, that's actually pretty fast for them to solve that leak.
dan friesen
The contractors in question received training on the FBI minimization procedures, stored the raw information only on FBI systems, and did not disseminate it further.
Nonetheless, the above-described practices violated the government's minimization procedures.
So, they did a review of it and...
stopped.
jordan holmes
That is startling competency!
dan friesen
Yeah, but that's also...
jordan holmes
Startling competency!
dan friesen
I mean, it's fucked up, but we don't know what that private contractor company was.
It could be some sort of non-governmental organization that they were consulting and they just sort of fucked up in terms of handling.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that sounds more like an oversight issue than a malicious issue.
That's more like...
dan friesen
Oops!
jordan holmes
We assumed that everybody was operating under the same rules that we did, and some people didn't know what they were doing.
Just like anybody, you know, you know the guy at your job who's kind of an idiot, but is in the wrong place.
And so he fucks up.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
And then they do look into it and they go, oh, well, this is fucked up and they fix it.
dan friesen
There's another heavily retracted section or redacted section where they talk about another instance of the FBI giving raw data of 702 acquired information to another contractor.
But because of the way it's redacted, it appears that that is a federal agency that they had given information to, but they just didn't do it.
Right.
They didn't meet the requirements of Section 5D of the FBI minimization procedures.
So it's more technical snafus than it is they were giving everybody access to the NSA grid.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it seems like nothing there is really, like, it seems like nothing there is really worrisome.
Other than the fact that these people have all of our information, and when they fuck up...
It means all of that stuff can be released.
Well, if you do give it to those private contractors and they are malicious, then you'd be fucked.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
So that's why you have those guidelines in place.
And it seems like what happened was they realized that they could have been fucked.
And so they plugged that hole.
dan friesen
Right.
And it's bad.
It's not good.
jordan holmes
It's not good!
dan friesen
It's not good, but at the same time, it's not evil.
jordan holmes
Simply having all of that information is not good.
dan friesen
No, but it's not nefarious.
It's more, oops.
And as is illustrated in this declassified document, they did reviews and they stopped these things that were clearly like, oh, we have a fuck-up in our process.
Let's fix that.
And then this review itself recommends review teams.
To make sure that everyone's in compliance, which is great.
There's one other thing that people could get up in arms about in this declassified document, that is that the spying on people accidentally took in some stuff that was covered under attorney-client privilege.
That sounds about right.
Yeah, but I mean, of course.
Yeah.
But then in response to that, they recommended steps that they could undertake to make sure that that doesn't happen.
And make sure that they're more sensitive in the future to things that they should not be reading.
jordan holmes
And this happened in 2016?
dan friesen
This review is 2017.
This declassified review is from this year.
It's from very recently.
jordan holmes
Well, that's way after they stopped the bulk data collection program, or at least are supposed to have stopped the bulk data collection program, because they did that last year.
dan friesen
This is from April 2017.
jordan holmes
Yeah, this is people trying very hard to comply with that.
And they're not doing great at it so far.
But they're trying to get better.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Also, I mean, just at the end of it, they specify that the practices and the guidelines that are in place for managing of data comply with the Fourth Amendment.
And then just it lists out a number of recommendations.
About ways to better handle things to make sure the little systemic problems that have happened in the past don't happen again.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
It's basically, it's like a workplace review.
jordan holmes
Yeah, this has the sound of like a nuclear reactor test.
unidentified
Where...
jordan holmes
We are working with an insanely dangerous thing.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Beyond reason.
And a minor fuck up here is not like a minor fuck up at an office.
unidentified
No.
jordan holmes
This is, it's possible that a lot of people will die if you fuck up here.
unidentified
Mm-hmm.
jordan holmes
So this is that kind of like, we're constantly putting these tests in to make sure that our reactor doesn't melt down.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Now, it's possible that Corsi's talking about something else, but that's a declassified document that seems to have to do with very similar things that came out on Friday.
jordan holmes
Right.
It fits all of the stuff they've described.
Now, if you and I were to go up to them and tell them...
This is what you were talking about.
They would, of course, say, no, no, no, we got a completely different declassified document.
dan friesen
We'll talk Tuesday.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
But, I mean, like, I accept the possibility that they're talking about something else, but all of my instincts tell me this is what we're talking about, and that is a lie narrative that he's pitching.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Based on, I've read the entire document.
unidentified
Because who else but you is going to read the entire document?
dan friesen
I don't think those people who wrote the Circa article read the entire document.
But anyway.
jordan holmes
It did not sound like a summer read.
dan friesen
Oh, God, it was rough.
And it's the kind of thing, like, when you read court documents and stuff like that, especially because I found it this morning before we started recording.
And I don't think if I had two days I'd be able to read that and then succinctly, verbally describe it.
I could write you a book report on it.
But, like, it's, like, fucking legal shit.
It's all this, like, repeated terms.
You know, it's very difficult.
I'm not doing the best job of describing it.
I'll put up a link to this document.
You can read it if you want.
Who cares?
Read it.
Read it if you want.
If you're out at the beach, pull it up on your Kindle.
Please trust me, it's not what Alex is talking about.
It's not that narrative.
Anyway, let's get off this topic and let's jump into greener pastures of Alex trying to sell some shit.
alex jones
The future of our species is being fought right now.
Also, please spread the word about our local affiliates, about Infowars.com, about our YouTube videos, our articles.
Sharing those articles, sharing those videos is an act of resistance.
And despite all their attempts to censor and block us and govern us back, it's failing.
We're exploding and growing faster than ever.
So God bless you all.
jordan holmes
Thank you for the support.
alex jones
Because if I'm going to risk my life, I'm going to do it to win.
What about you?
dan friesen
What about you?
alex jones
We're winning together.
unidentified
Nope.
alex jones
And of course, we've got Memorial Day specials.
Some of which are the biggest we've ever offered.
We have a lot of different specials, a lot of different...
dan friesen
All his specials are the biggest they've ever offered.
Also, we already talked about this.
He's losing affiliates.
If you look at the Alexa shit, his traffic is slumping.
I went to Quantcast the other day, and I was looking to see if there was an upward trend, and there's not.
He's still in the about 200,000 to 300,000 visitors to his site a day.
There's been nothing other than...
He has those one-day peaks that go up, but no, there's nothing trending upwards.
He doesn't appear to be losing a ton, but it is trending downwards, and you're losing your fucking affiliates.
You're not winning, Alex.
That's not to say that we're winning.
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
We're doing fine.
jordan holmes
We're slowly gaining from zero affiliates to hopefully one within the next two to three years.
dan friesen
Yeah, but here's what we don't do.
jordan holmes
We're trending upwards towards one affiliate.
dan friesen
So, you know, we just heard that Trump has this proof about this supposed, you know...
The shit that Obama and the Democrats have been doing.
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
Alex wants to talk a little bit more about that.
alex jones
Trump has the proof as POTUS that they're on the Russian and Chinese payroll and that they were spying on everybody and that's why they're so scared of Trump and trying to keep him like their lives depend on it from getting his people, his appointees into the second, third, fourth, fifth, sixth, seventh, eighth places.
The reason they're rebelling so hard is as a rogue government they were doing whatever they wanted to do.
dan friesen
That's a fascinating clip.
Because Trump hasn't appointed people that could be approved or disapproved.
So that idea that they're blocking his ability to get the people in the second, third layers, he's not even trying.
What are you talking about, Alex?
That's absurd.
But then he's like, because he knows that they were a rogue government doing whatever they wanted.
It kind of describes what's going on right now.
jordan holmes
Yeah, exactly!
dan friesen
It's kind of very accurate to right now.
jordan holmes
How would he...
Like, that's another one of those times where he has to know.
dan friesen
Totally.
jordan holmes
He has to know that what he's saying is the inverse of what is happening.
dan friesen
Well, yeah, I think so.
And that's a big part of the investigation that we're going to be starting tomorrow, is that I desperately want to know what happened.
Like, why did Alex Jones go down this path?
jordan holmes
Right, when did it turn?
dan friesen
I think that Alex is holding up a line that he knows is bullshit.
I think he knows that he has to.
unidentified
Mm-hmm.
jordan holmes
I know that he has to, because he can't flip-flop now.
dan friesen
No.
jordan holmes
Like, he can't switch this path.
dan friesen
Not at all.
jordan holmes
So he's got to ride it till whatever ended it's going to take, which is almost 95% chance going to be some sort of disaster for him.
dan friesen
Undoubtedly.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
There has to be that.
dan friesen
But here's the thing, though.
It's like stuff like that.
Him saying stuff like that, like saying that Obama's government was just reckless and doing whatever they want and never taking a look at the shit that Trump is doing or the people around him are doing.
jordan holmes
Yeah, but he's doing it for good.
dan friesen
Right.
Globalists.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
Right, whatever.
But the fact that he's doing that and making that concession and being willing to turn the blind eye is not like him.
It's not what he's about based on his entire career.
But at the same time, he's still...
A lot of himself.
Like those masculinity ideas.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Those racist ideas.
Those are still him.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
But that stuff, like the political stuff, that's not Alex Jones-y.
jordan holmes
No!
I don't think he's ever really gone whole hog in for a candidate before, has he?
dan friesen
Except for like Ron Paul, kind of.
jordan holmes
Right, right.
But I mean, even then.
dan friesen
Never a winning candidate.
Never a candidate who could win.
jordan holmes
Right.
Which is what he...
Had to have thought Trump was.
dan friesen
It's possible.
unidentified
Unless...
dan friesen
I've learned a whole bunch of stuff in this investigation.
jordan holmes
Unless there's some investigation elements that you need to reveal to us.
dan friesen
And I will at the appropriate time.
But for now, let's enjoy what real Alex is.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
And this clip really sums it up.
alex jones
But there's something about betas in a man's world that have never been slapped down.
They're some of the most dangerous people out there.
jordan holmes
Sweet, sweet Alex.
alex jones
Because the real alpha's been hurt.
A real lion's been through a bunch of fights and knows, no matter how tough you think you are, on any given Sunday, you can get your ass run over.
And that's the point we've reached here with a bunch of crazies who know they've committed incredible crimes, and they know that Trump really is trying to drain the swamp, and if they drain that sucker, they know they're all going to prison.
Because a bunch of them are child molesters, a bunch of them are child killers, a bunch of them are sold out to foreign governments, the Muslims, the corrupt Catholic Church at the top.
I mean, this is a group of sellout trash who were hell-bent to bankrupt the country and get us dumbed down to protect themselves from all the crimes they'd committed.
dan friesen
That's wild.
Do you understand what he's trying to get at there?
jordan holmes
I don't.
It's too couched in so much of that.
All I hear is the same boring shit now.
Everybody's a child molester.
Everybody's a pedophile.
If they go after one of you, everybody's in jail.
Men are not real men.
dan friesen
Isn't it fascinating how all this really inflammatory, should-be interesting stuff has become very boring?
jordan holmes
Oh, it's so boring.
He says this every fucking day.
dan friesen
He does.
But I think the reason that I kept that clip in is I think it's super interesting that he has this whole narrative that Fluoride in the water and all this.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
Trying to dumb you down.
Like, he has to incorporate everything into one grand conspiracy that the globalists are doing.
jordan holmes
The grand unified field conspiracy theory.
dan friesen
And he throws that dart right at the end.
He's like, they're dumbing you down so they can get away with their crimes.
All these crimes are the things that he's listed that Trump is going to stop them from being able to commit, because conceivably Trump has never drank fluoride, and he's a genius.
jordan holmes
Who has been planning this for 30 years.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
He's not a beta.
jordan holmes
He's a stealth patriot.
dan friesen
Right, sleeper cell.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
But the reason that I think that is interesting is that in the past, Alex has used a whole bunch of other reasons that they're dumbing us down.
That's not what he said in the past.
He said that they're dumbing us down so they can get us to fight each other or things like that.
Other end goals of the dumbing people down thing.
jordan holmes
The point of all of this stuff, and the thing that I think makes it boring for me to hear that long laundry list now, is he repeats the same stuff, and then whatever end goal he thinks you're afraid of today is why that stuff is happening.
So you're afraid today of the government getting away with shit.
So that's why they're dumbing you down.
Or you're afraid of...
They're going to take your guns away.
So that's why they're dumbing you down.
dan friesen
They're dumbing everyone else down so they don't see they're coming for the guns.
unidentified
Exactly.
jordan holmes
So it's always these tent poles in service to whatever.
Like he's throwing darts at a wall.
Like what is going to be the cause of this today?
dan friesen
It's almost like he has a set of lies that he just repeats.
Much like he has accused the mainstream media of doing.
jordan holmes
It is very similar to that.
dan friesen
Very similar.
Anyway, let's wrap this up because we're about done with this episode.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
But at the end, so he's been freaking out the whole time.
And that's kind of done now.
Because Larry Nichols is back.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Our old friend Larry Nichols.
jordan holmes
Al Nix.
dan friesen
He comes on.
jordan holmes
Stevie Larry Nichols.
dan friesen
And I've got two clips of him.
Basically, as the internet would say, Larry Nichols is back on his bullshit.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
Because he is just telling Alex that we need to build an army and that we're the only ones who can help Trump.
All this stuff.
It's very ignorable.
jordan holmes
Bananas.
dan friesen
You guys will learn more about just how much of a douche.
jordan holmes
Right after this break.
unidentified
Tomorrow, Larry Nichols, you'll learn all about him.
dan friesen
But for now, all you need to really know is that he is a Clinton insider.
He's a guy who has fucking amazing sources.
At least that's the way they present it on the show.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And so, you know, he's got inside information.
And he comes to Alex.
And he's got this prediction to give.
And you would not know this unless you had inside sources.
I guarantee that.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
This is some high-level stuff.
jordan holmes
Is it enough to get Corsi killed?
Because that's why my new measurement is not classified or declassified.
It's what level of info gets Corsi killed.
dan friesen
This gets Corsi's family killed.
jordan holmes
Oh, shit!
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
We're getting real!
dan friesen
So here we go.
larry nichols
You know my sources in Washington.
I've never lied to you, and what I've told you comes to pass.
jordan holmes
Except for when I told you there was witches.
larry nichols
Within six months, they plan to impeach Donald Trump.
Six months.
They've already started, Alex.
unidentified
Ooh.
jordan holmes
Interesting.
dan friesen
Insight.
jordan holmes
Six months.
dan friesen
That is just something...
jordan holmes
That seems almost too long.
dan friesen
It's something you could guess.
jordan holmes
Yeah!
dan friesen
You do not need inside sources to tell you.
jordan holmes
If you're a Clinton insider, that's the only way you would get that information.
dan friesen
Well, former Clinton insider, because of course he's turned on.
jordan holmes
Oh, that's right.
dan friesen
But yeah, he has high-level sources that tell him things that you could glean from reading the front page of the paper.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
So Larry...
jordan holmes
Yeah, didn't the New York Times even...
Or at least a few places confirmed that...
The Republican senators were going back to their town halls, and that was going to be their litmus test for, like, hey, we're either on board or we're off it, and this is how we're going to tell.
dan friesen
Yeah, and that's why Larry, in this interview, he keeps saying that we need to tell people, Republican leaders, that if they support this impeachment, they're done.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
So he's trying to sort of be the counterweight to that.
And I mean, like, all right, great.
It's not gonna work.
jordan holmes
Man!
The GOP is in a real shit spot right now.
dan friesen
Especially the people who claim they're not GOP.
jordan holmes
Yeah, exactly.
dan friesen
Yeah, I mean, Larry Nichols and Alex are in a terrible spot.
I mean...
jordan holmes
Well, and so is fucking Congress.
dan friesen
The only people who are doing great right now are Rebel Media, Mike Cernovich, Gavin McGinnis.
jordan holmes
Fuck him.
dan friesen
Yeah, those people are doing great.
jordan holmes
They're doing great right now.
dan friesen
Yeah, because they are just sort of...
jordan holmes
Well, because they've embraced the white nationalist wave.
dan friesen
And the chaos, and they pretend they're doing memetic warfare and shit.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah.
Alex is still not embracing whole hog white nationalism.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Like, Gavin McGinnis is...
Gavin has a dildo-shaped like white nationalism right up his ass right now.
dan friesen
Yeah, to Alex's great detriment, he's stuck in the dog whistle phase.
Even though he screams outright bigotry, he's just not gone far enough, and he's too serious.
Like, Gavin McGinnis and Mike Cernovich at least have the appearance of a sense of humor.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Like, they at least can make a goof and laugh.
Like, I've seen Mike Cernovich...
jordan holmes
Ha ha ha!
That's not a laugh to you?
dan friesen
No.
jordan holmes
That's not a laugh?
Ha ha ha!
dan friesen
I've seen Cernovich and Gavin laugh, and I'm like, they're having a good time.
jordan holmes
Oh!
dan friesen
They're dicks, but they're having a good time.
jordan holmes
Never seen Alex have a good time.
unidentified
Nope.
dan friesen
And I think that's hurting him.
Because young people don't want this stuffy old asshole being up there.
jordan holmes
That is, like, he is becoming less relevant.
So he reached his pinnacle.
dan friesen
More or less.
jordan holmes
Like, when Trump was elected, that was the pinnacle of what his popularity could be.
And he's just going to go down.
There's no up from here.
dan friesen
If I had to imagine, and even my investigation can't prove this at this point, but I believe that he had a choice of two directions and a fork in the road.
One was support Trump, one not.
And he took the wrong one.
Because once he decided to support Trump, the two outcomes that were possible there is Trump wins, Trump loses.
Trump loses, he's the guy who cheered for a loser.
But at least he could still save a little face and be like, we could have won, we got cheated, blah, blah, blah.
jordan holmes
That would be your narrative.
dan friesen
Once they win, once you go down that path and you win, you have now outlived your usefulness.
You don't have a purpose to serve anymore.
You were the propagandist that got us in, and now you can't do shit to help us.
He can't save them from this Russia investigation.
jordan holmes
How would you know that by helping to elect an authoritarian government, perhaps you would no longer be on the inner circle?
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
I don't know if that's ever fucking happened before in the history of, oh wait, it happens every goddamn fucking time.
dan friesen
I'm sure Roger Stone is feeling that now too.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
At the same time.
jordan holmes
Unless Trump is actually calling him frequently.
dan friesen
I don't think so.
But when we go back and you could have taken the path of not supporting Trump, and you...
Even if Trump wins, you win.
You know what I'm saying?
There's the initial fork that is support or don't support, and each of those has two branching paths off it.
The two branching paths for don't support are both wins.
One of them with win, or support Trump, is a real negative.
And he happened to get that.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
That path is the one.
That he ended up going down.
jordan holmes
He picked door number three, and that was the wrong door.
dan friesen
That was very much the wrong door.
jordan holmes
He got the mystery box, and it was just a box full of bad kittens.
dan friesen
He had chosen not to support Trump, and he loses.
No skin off his back.
His whole globalist narrative can continue.
Now he has Hillary in office.
He can be like...
jordan holmes
And that is only more...
It's perfect.
The best thing for him was for Hillary to have won.
dan friesen
If he doesn't support Trump, and Trump wins, now he can say, glad Hillary lost.
He can celebrate that.
Of course Trump is going to fall into a...
jordan holmes
Exactly what he's done so far.
dan friesen
...a series of gaffes that are just going to be complete manna from heaven for Alex.
Because then he can go against this Republican candidate, this Republican winner.
Like, he could have made hay out of that.
jordan holmes
And God, think of how great his shit on Russia would be right now.
dan friesen
It would be amazing.
jordan holmes
He would be on...
Fire!
Just...
The Russians are controlling the government!
I told you this!
dan friesen
This also gets into my investigation.
Aha!
Because...
I don't think he ever had the choice to take that path.
jordan holmes
Oh, shit!
dan friesen
I think that choice was made for him.
Don't, don't, don't!
jordan holmes
God damn it!
You beat me a beat to it.
dan friesen
I don't want to give away all of my secrets.
So, Larry Nichols presents himself as a...
jordan holmes
A witch hunter.
dan friesen
Certainly.
He's a Van Helsing type.
He is a Clinton insider, as we've said.
And he knows all about their shit.
He is responsible for the term an Arkansas suicide, which is the Clintons shooting you.
jordan holmes
Yeah, the Vince Foster.
dan friesen
And all these other people who he blames them for murdering.
So, he believes that the Clintons killed...
jordan holmes
That's a pretty solid...
Arkenside?
It's a nice portmanteau.
It's a pretty solid portmanteau.
dan friesen
So he believes that they killed Seth Rich.
And he has one of the worst pieces of defense for that.
And I'm about to play it here.
larry nichols
Alex, Seth Rich.
The Enquirer called me.
National Enquirer called me.
And they said, what about this death of an Arkenside?
I said, yes.
And they said, well, what is it?
And I told them.
I said, well, one of the key signatures of an Arkansas is when the family comes out and tries to stop anybody from investigating.
Well, they told me on the inquiry, they said, well, no, they're not doing that.
unidentified
Yes, they are.
jordan holmes
Well, they told me, the National Enquirer, that that wasn't true.
dan friesen
Batboy is on the case.
jordan holmes
Oh, Jesus.
dan friesen
So, the thing that's a problem with that...
jordan holmes
They also asked him about aliens and whether or not witches were real.
He left that out.
Off the record.
He did, however, point out that Seth Rich did have two antennae on him when he was murdered.
dan friesen
Oh, boy.
Oh, boy.
jordan holmes
That could mean any number of different things.
We still do not have that proved.
I do have high-level sources to...
Listen.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
Dan.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
If I am murdered...
Over the next six to twelve months, I have released a dead drop that is filled with alien corpses.
dan friesen
No, you've just told everyone.
jordan holmes
Oh, goddammit, no!
dan friesen
So the problem with Larry's sort of line is that one of the hallmarks of an Arkanside is people close to the victim telling you to shut up.
jordan holmes
Yes.
One of the hallmarks also of a murder...
That has been turned into a massive conspiracy theory.
dan friesen
And politicized.
jordan holmes
Is the family saying, please shut up.
dan friesen
Well, but that's the thing, is that he does not see a difference between the police and Sean Hannity.
Because the family has been very clear that they don't mind it being investigated.
But what they don't want is Kim Dotcom hacking his email.
They don't want Hannity turning this into a ratings grab.
They don't want Alex Jones...
Trying to compensate for losing all his affiliates by making this into a big story that may or may not get Jerome Corsi murdered.
They don't want that because that's not an investigation.
That's show business.
That's politics.
That's bullshit.
That's propaganda.
They don't want their son's death to be a part of that.
They've been very clear they're fine with an investigation.
And Larry, you know that.
I know you're 80 years old or whatever and you're on your deathbed.
But you know that.
Stop pretending.
It's fucking bullshit.
jordan holmes
I mean, even if you believe the most...
Like, even if you believe the Seth Ritch conspiracy theory there, there's no...
Well, I think maybe the better way to put it is, if you believe the Seth Ritch conspiracy theory, everything plays into how right you are.
dan friesen
Lay that out for me.
jordan holmes
If you believe that Seth Rich was killed by the DNC or whatever conspiracy theory you want to pull into it, the fact that the parents are saying, you know, we want an investigation, but we don't want you to do it.
We don't want Hannity doing it.
That plays into the fact that, of course, the DNC doesn't want Hannity looking into it.
Or the family doesn't want Hannity.
Yeah.
Of course not.
Of course not.
Of course, if they did say, hey...
Fucking we're open and honest.
We're going to let you do that.
Well, that proves that Seth Rich was killed because the only reason that you would be so open and honest is if they've already covered it up so easily that you can't find any information.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
This is how stupid people work.
jordan holmes
There's no win against this conspiracy theory because all it really is...
dan friesen
Is a mem.
jordan holmes
Well, I mean, what the conspiracy theory is is a manufactured look at me.
It's everything that you could want to be happening right now as Trump is committing treason.
Like, you have...
dan friesen
It's the distraction.
jordan holmes
And it's also a good distraction because the way you think of it is...
Oh, well, Trump's bullshit is a conspiracy theory.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
So we have a bunch of people who are already looking to believe in any conspiracy theory.
Why not give them our conspiracy theory?
dan friesen
Again, that's Corsi shit.
jordan holmes
That's the whole idea.
If you are primed to believe in conspiracies, which...
Frankly, at this point, goddammit if we aren't all.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
You know, listening to the news is like, wait, this guy was over here and then this guy and then Kislyak is everywhere and he's the spider from Game of Thrones.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Well, fucking anything could be true.
unidentified
Totally.
jordan holmes
At this point, fucking Kislyak probably did 9-11.
I'm not saying that for sure.
dan friesen
It's in the white papers.
jordan holmes
He's probably the architect behind it.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
But...
So we're all primed for that, so why not just make up your own and try and co-opt as much of that as you can?
dan friesen
It makes me think of, like, Alex Jones' rants about the Overton window and, like, how this entire thought system, this entire, like, conspiratorial thought system has just overtaken rationality.
jordan holmes
It's so hard.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
It's so hard to...
I mean, even as it becomes closer and closer, Occam's razor starts to be more and more on the side of treason.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
And less and less on the side of these guys are fucking stupid and they just wanted to steal a shit ton of money.
dan friesen
Yeah.
I mean, that's a part of it.
jordan holmes
The Trump campaign would make a great Ocean's 14. Because that's what it seems like it was.
It was a bunch of assholes getting together, trying to con as many people out of their money as possible.
dan friesen
Yeah, but it lacks the diversity of an Ocean's movie.
jordan holmes
Well, that's true.
But instead of them stealing all the casino's money at the end and just sitting out there at the fountain going like, hey guys, we did it.
Instead, they own the casino now.
And they had no idea they had to run the casino.
dan friesen
Right, and then they have been working with a rival casino.
And a lot of people at that casino lose their jobs.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And then the casino gets set on fire by that rival casino.
jordan holmes
And then everybody dies.
Seth Rich, anyways, was killed by Kislyak.
As likely as anything.
The only thing that you can point to in all of this is just that there is some sort of collapse about to happen.
dan friesen
Yeah, but I think it's Alex.
jordan holmes
It seems like it's just...
I mean, period.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Something is going to collapse, and it's like right now you can see that our institutions, all of our belief in the rule of law, like all of that stuff, is putting up a lot more of a fight than I may have initially expected.
dan friesen
Well, one branch of the government.
jordan holmes
Yeah, exactly.
It seems to be holding a little bit stronger than I would have expected, but something's going to break here.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Because you can't...
dan friesen
Well, I think that what's gonna happen is...
I mean, the only thing I can see happening...
I mean, I might be a little bit conspiratorial here myself, but the arm of the government that's holding up is the legislative branch.
The executive branch is fucked because there aren't people in the staffed positions.
Like, the State Department's basically empty.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
All the people are incompetent.
jordan holmes
God, how is that?
We're not even functioning as a...
unidentified
No.
dan friesen
The executive branch is...
All the people who are in charge are basically incompetents who are flunkies.
The people like the...
I wanted to say Herman Cain.
He is!
The Ben Carsons, the Rick Perrys, these people have no business being in the positions they're in.
jordan holmes
Rick Perry could not be happier that he is not in the news, right?
dan friesen
Thrilled.
jordan holmes
Like, Rick Perry is the most incompetent running...
An organization that he does not understand.
dan friesen
He's going to be all over the news once nukes are in play.
jordan holmes
Yeah, but God, if he is not loving this right now, just like, I am doing fuck all.
dan friesen
He better be studying.
He better be fucking studying on what his branch of government does.
But anyway, the executive branch is completely fucked.
It's Swiss cheese in the departments.
And, you know, you got nothing there.
And a leader who seems to be actively hostile to the idea of a functioning government.
jordan holmes
And entirely, somewhere along the line, there's some mental degradation going on.
dan friesen
Absolutely.
And he has weirdos around him advising him poorly.
Then you have the...
jordan holmes
And his daughter.
dan friesen
The legislative branch is a complete shitshow.
You've got Republicans in power in both houses.
To deal with the problem of the executive branch that they could wield some control over, and they won't.
jordan holmes
They are, at this point, like, fucking Trump was going to be Trump.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
The legislative branch, the GOP congressmen right now, have shown that they will gladly watch the entire republic fall so they can lower taxes.
For rich people.
dan friesen
Not understanding that once it falls, tax code won't matter.
jordan holmes
Not an important thing.
dan friesen
But what I'm getting at is both of these branches are completely fucked.
The judicial branch, except for the Supreme Court, which is a wild card.
We don't know exactly how the chips are going to fall.
jordan holmes
We don't know for sure, yeah.
dan friesen
We can guess.
The rest of it seems to be holding up pretty well.
jordan holmes
So far.
dan friesen
And what that means to me is that that is going to be the next thing that gets attacked by the incompetence.
That Trump is embodying and spreading like a cancer throughout the government.
jordan holmes
He is about to start appointing a shit ton of judges.
dan friesen
Exactly.
And I think once that starts to happen, you'll see the legislative side really start to get fucked up.
Because he's not going to get competent judges in there.
He's going to get people who either ideologically support weird things he believes in, or people who've shown loyalty to him in the past.
And that's going to be a big problem.
jordan holmes
Or frankly, at this point, You might as well just put convicted murderers everywhere.
You obviously don't care.
You've got that fucker in the Department of Homeland Security who is a murderer.
dan friesen
Clark.
jordan holmes
Who is a literal murderer.
dan friesen
Totally.
jordan holmes
He murdered people.
He's a murderer.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
He's Sheriff Joe Arpaio.
dan friesen
He's Arpaio Jr.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
He is a murderer.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Of people.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
He's a murderer.
unidentified
He committed the crime of murder.
dan friesen
And was in Russia at the same time as Mike Flynn.
jordan holmes
He was?
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
No shit?
dan friesen
There's pictures of him.
jordan holmes
God damn it!
Why is a guy from Wisconsin...
A sheriff.
Why is a sheriff from Wisconsin going to...
unidentified
What?
Yeah.
jordan holmes
That's real?
dan friesen
That's real.
I'll show you the pictures when we're done.
jordan holmes
We're fucked.
I quit.
No, no, no.
I quit.
I'm done.
I'm done.
I give up.
dan friesen
I think...
jordan holmes
Russia?
You're fine.
You win.
dan friesen
Well played.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
You beat us.
It's like a game of go.
And we got our asses kicked.
dan friesen
Anyway, that brings us to the end of this episode.
I think that what we can take away from this is Tuesday is not going to bring with it some massive revelation.
jordan holmes
Hopefully it will bring the death of Jerome Corsi.
dan friesen
I don't wish that upon him.
I wish that he would shut up.
I wish he would stop being such a weasel, but I don't want him dead.
jordan holmes
How ironic would it be if he did actually die?
dan friesen
That's what I'm afraid of.
jordan holmes
If he has a heart attack?
dan friesen
He's an out-of-shape 70-year-old man.
jordan holmes
If he was right.
dan friesen
No.
jordan holmes
That would be hilarious.
Can you imagine living in a world?
In a world?
No, no.
Accidentally right.
Like, just by pure happenstance, like this weird coincidence.
dan friesen
Oh, like he has a heart attack.
jordan holmes
No, no, no.
I mean that the information that he is going to release on Tuesday does get him murdered, but for very different reasons.
So it looks like he is the most right he has ever been, and his last thoughts are like, Fuck, I was wrong!
dan friesen
What I imagine is more like a Bullworth scenario.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
Where he hires a hitman to kill him.
Because he's like, fuck, I've lost my ability to do journalism.
I am in bed with people who I shouldn't be.
I'm going to hire this hitman to give me credibility on my way out.
And over the course of this Memorial Day weekend, he's going to learn to love and live again.
And try and call off the hitman and not be able to.
And he'll be caught up in his own web of propaganda that ends up undoing him.
Much like the nation of Guatemala was to his mentor, Bernays.
I don't know.
jordan holmes
I prefer an It's a Wonderful Life situation where instead it turns out this is how great everybody's life would be if course he wasn't there.
And then the angel just pushes him off that fucking bridge.
dan friesen
That's a possibility too.
jordan holmes
That would be my new Christmas movie every year.
dan friesen
Corsi off a bridge.
So I don't think that...
unidentified
I don't believe in angels, them, thems.
dan friesen
Can you imagine, though, living in a world where Alex isn't lying, and on Tuesday they break a story that is bigger than Watergate, and the world has to be like, fuck, Alex did it.
jordan holmes
Oh, man.
dan friesen
Could you imagine?
I mean, it's not going to happen, but could you imagine?
jordan holmes
No, I can't.
Of course not.
I can't conceive of that.
dan friesen
Of course, it's impossible.
jordan holmes
I can't...
If it was bigger than Watergate, the entire world shuts down.
And then Alex...
The only possible way that Alex could deal with that is by getting on air.
And just stripping down naked.
dan friesen
Yep.
jordan holmes
Wearing like a loincloth like castaway.
Just like hurling burning sticks up into the air.
I am your new god!
dan friesen
Or he has just like a scroll.
Like a two mile long scroll of people who is like, alright, I need to say fuck you to a lot of people.
Dan and Jordan, you're number one.
unidentified
Fuck you!
jordan holmes
He's just got the closing credits line, and it's just a million different names scrolling across very, very fast.
dan friesen
A list of people who could fuck themselves.
jordan holmes
A special fuck you, too.
dan friesen
Thankfully, that's not going to happen, and Tuesday will bring nothing.
Except more affiliates dropping the Alex Jones show.
jordan holmes
Fuck you, Alex!
dan friesen
So, good luck.
You are going the way of Hannity, I believe.
jordan holmes
And hopefully by next week, Hannity will be off the air.
dan friesen
We'll find out on Tuesday about that as well.
unidentified
And...
dan friesen
What?
jordan holmes
I just...
I just want...
I just really want Corsi to die this weekend.
dan friesen
I don't wish death on him.
jordan holmes
I just want to live in a world where, of course, he dies.
Like, the chaos that would occur, it would be amazing.
dan friesen
I'm gonna Google right now, make sure he's still alive.
Because you're freaking me out.
jordan holmes
God, I want him dead.
dan friesen
Good news, he's still alive at this point.
jordan holmes
Damn it!
dan friesen
Anyway, we will be back tomorrow with the beginning of my in-depth investigation into what happened to Alex.
What went wrong?
It's engaging.
It's interesting.
And it's a bit more fucked up than I expected when I started.
unidentified
Excellent.
dan friesen
Super fucked up.
jordan holmes
Well, in the meantime, can you find us anywhere?
dan friesen
You can.
You can find us at knowledgefight.com.
jordan holmes
How about on Twitter?
dan friesen
Knowledge underscore fight.
jordan holmes
How about on iTunes?
dan friesen
Yeah, just search Knowledge Fight.
We don't have a picture, though.
jordan holmes
We'll figure that out sometime.
dan friesen
Yeah.
You can find us.
Please give a rating, a review.
Go ahead.
We'd love it.
jordan holmes
If you'd like to become a policy wonk, there's a donate button on the website.
dan friesen
Support the show.
jordan holmes
Support the show.
In the meantime, tomorrow, of course he may be dead.
dan friesen
He might.
jordan holmes
But I'll tell you what.
dan friesen
What's up?
jordan holmes
Rappaport still lives!
alex jones
Andy in Kansas, you're on the air.
Thanks for holding.
unidentified
Hello, Alex.
I'm a first-time caller.
I'm a huge fan.
I love your work.
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