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May 24, 2017 - Knowledge Fight
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#44: May 22, 2017

Today, Dan tells Jordan all about a special report Alex Jones put out on May 22. Topics include: Did Alex Jones put a ton of work into getting White House press credentials only to pretend he doesn't want them? What happens when you actually listen to Alex's show?

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alex jones
12:02
d
dan friesen
32:00
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jordan holmes
26:00
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paul joseph watson
00:10
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Speaker Time Text
alex jones
Andy in Kansas, you're on the air.
Thanks for holding.
unidentified
Hello, Alex.
I'm a first-time caller.
I'm a huge fan.
I love your work.
alex jones
I love you.
dan friesen
Hey, everybody.
Welcome back to Knowledge Fight.
I'm Dan.
jordan holmes
I'm Jordan.
dan friesen
We're a couple dudes who like to sit around and talk about Alex Jones.
What's that?
Slightly different introduction today.
That's right.
Big news.
jordan holmes
Big news!
dan friesen
I'm not drinking wine anymore.
jordan holmes
Fake news.
Fake news!
dan friesen
Unfortunately, all too real news.
Guys, I don't want to come to you with a pity party.
That's not what I'm about.
But I do want to say that I think that this show is taking a massive effect on my mental health.
Which is something we've joked about in the past and people have expected.
And unfortunately, it's kind of true.
jordan holmes
Maybe you were joking.
dan friesen
Sure.
You can't listen to copious hours of Alex Jones and not have it take some sort of negative toll on you.
And the combination of that and excessive drinking...
Have become unmanageable in my life.
jordan holmes
It is like a death spiral of reinforced behavior.
The more you drink, the sadder you get.
And then you listen to Alex Jones and you get angry.
dan friesen
And then I have to drink for comfort.
jordan holmes
The anger makes you...
Yeah.
Yeah, exactly.
dan friesen
It's a disaster.
And so moving forward, we're going to stop drinking wine on the show.
But in replacement, we're going to start drinking comical beverages.
And so today we've got strawberry-infused Perrier.
jordan holmes
We have a plan for everything.
dan friesen
Yeah, yeah.
So I want to be more clear about this, though, because I don't want people to feel bad for me or anything like that.
And I definitely choose whatever Alex is doing to me over not, because I do believe that we're doing something...
Not that important, but reasonably important.
jordan holmes
I mean, more important than most of what else we're doing right now.
dan friesen
Totally.
And I made a commitment to myself that I would listen to him every day for a year.
So we're going to get there no matter what happens to my mental health.
unidentified
Right, right, right.
jordan holmes
Or even if we stop doing the show.
dan friesen
I'm going to keep listening.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
Just see what happens.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
dan friesen
But in order to make it to that point, I am going to need to...
Here's the thing.
Alex makes me very mad.
I'm triggered, or anything like that.
The experience of listening to his show is maddening, because I know his lies.
At this point, we've been doing this, I've been listening every day for like five and a half months.
I know all of his little lies.
The waypoints, I've researched them, and I know they're bullshit.
So whenever a new tragedy happens, or a new narrative for him to go down happens, and he just uses the same lies to reinforce them, it's so frustrating because there's no winning.
There's no winning against a guy who's that, like, bombastic and entertaining with set lies.
jordan holmes
And with a true commitment to his alternate reality.
dan friesen
Yeah, and so that's what's hurting my mental health, is listening to it and realizing, like, the knowledge fight is ultimately pointless.
We will entertain who we entertain, and that's great.
But if the end goal is making a difference at all, we can't.
jordan holmes
We need to get you drinking again.
unidentified
That's really what needs to happen right here.
dan friesen
So, yeah.
I don't know if that makes any sense or anything, but...
jordan holmes
It makes perfect sense.
dan friesen
In order to deal with that frustration and how all-encompassing that is and how much it makes me really afraid of the world, I have to replace shitty food and wine.
And irresponsibility with more meditation in my life, exercise, and strawberry Perrier.
jordan holmes
Oh, boy.
We'll negotiate on that last one.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
We'll figure out something more important.
dan friesen
You'll have your turn in the choosing drinks barrel, as Roger Stone might say.
He famously said that John Podesta will have his turn in the barrel soon.
jordan holmes
I don't know what that means.
Is that like a throwing him down a waterfall kind of thing?
Is that what that was in reference to?
dan friesen
It might be the etymology of it.
jordan holmes
That makes sense, right?
dan friesen
Maybe.
Or is time in a pickle barrel?
jordan holmes
I don't know what that means at all.
dan friesen
I don't either.
It seems like old-timey slang, though.
jordan holmes
That seems like where you would put a dead body.
dan friesen
Or, when you're really poor, you have to wear a barrel.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
You know, in cartoons?
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
That have barrels with suspenders?
jordan holmes
Are we going by cartoons now?
Who cares?
dan friesen
Yeah, of course.
Of course, man.
Fucking Foghorn Leghorn's as real as any of the shit we talk about.
jordan holmes
That's true.
dan friesen
On this fucking show.
jordan holmes
More real.
He's had more of an effect on our lives.
dan friesen
Yeah, he has.
So today, we're going to be going over a special report that Alex put out.
jordan holmes
Okay, finally.
On Tuesday.
Finally special reports.
dan friesen
Yeah, we're going to do that because it covers some issues that people have been asking about on Twitter.
And then on top of that, I don't want to talk about the world.
I don't.
After the Manchester attack happened, the bombing in Manchester, Alex was very predictable, and I don't want to talk about it.
I don't want to talk about his insane Muslim baiting and fear tactics.
If you read reports from people in London, in England, you hear a lot of really positive stories about people helping each other.
And about not being bowed by fear and that sort of thing.
And then you turn on Alex Jones and he's a dumbass Texan.
And he's screaming, this is what you get!
That sort of thing.
And I just don't care.
It's so cookie cutter for him that I just don't even want to do it.
jordan holmes
People are already calling for kick him out of our country and all of that shit.
dan friesen
They were doing it before!
jordan holmes
Yeah, exactly.
dan friesen
So today, I've got a special report.
And I don't want to tell you what it's about, Jordan.
I want to just let you...
jordan holmes
What's it about?
dan friesen
I don't want to tell you.
jordan holmes
Oh.
dan friesen
I'm going to play the first...
jordan holmes
I thought I could trick you that fast.
dan friesen
I'm going to play the first clip, and I'm going to let you try and guess what he's talking about.
jordan holmes
All right, here we go.
alex jones
Ladies and gentlemen, it's almost 6 o 'clock Central, 7 o 'clock Eastern, 5.56 Central Time, and this is my day off today.
I went ahead and took a day off today to spend some time with the children and the family, the wife, and...
I had to come back in today because of major, major breaking news on multiple fronts.
So we've got the nightly news coming up tonight in just about an hour at Infowars.com forward slash show and some cable and TV stations and also radio stations around the country.
But what I'm about to break here is just really important news.
Just on Google News alone, the top trending story today is not Trump in Israel, but...
dan friesen
It's not Trump in Israel.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
What is the biggest breaking news that Alex Jones could be coming into the studio on his day off at 6 o 'clock at night to discuss in a special report?
What do you think it is?
jordan holmes
So they just got word that the heads of intelligence were asked specifically and personally by Trump to interfere with the FBI investigation.
dan friesen
Not that one.
jordan holmes
So I'm assuming that's...
No, but isn't that the most important news that you could have?
It's very literally obstruction of justice.
It's an open and shut case.
That's the only thing I can talk about.
Oh, it's fake news?
Never mind.
dan friesen
If we're going to play hot and cold, that's icy.
That's icy.
jordan holmes
That's Mark Icy Clay Cold.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
All right.
How about...
Let's see.
What else is going on in the news?
dan friesen
Now you sound like a stand-up.
jordan holmes
Hold on.
Did somebody talk about Alex Jones?
dan friesen
Warmer.
It's not Stephen Colbert, although he's furious about him.
jordan holmes
It's not directly towards Alex Jones.
dan friesen
Tertiarily.
But I do want to say...
jordan holmes
Corsi.
Corsi has a bureau.
No, he's at press credentials.
Corsi has press credentials.
dan friesen
Big, big, big, big, big.
alex jones
The top trending story today is not Trump and Israel, but Infowars.
And there are over 3,370 new articles just in the last three hours.
We can put that up on screen or just search InfoWars Press Pass.
And Google has 3,370.
jordan holmes
Oh my God.
He was watching that number climb and jerking off all day.
dan friesen
But he also doesn't understand how Google results work.
jordan holmes
That's why he took the day off.
unidentified
Totally.
jordan holmes
That's why he took the day off.
Just to see, just to refresh, refresh, refresh.
dan friesen
Totally.
jordan holmes
It's 3,000 now.
Jerk off again.
dan friesen
3001.
jordan holmes
Jerk off again.
dan friesen
Of course he's got credentials, baby.
jordan holmes
Oh, man.
I saw that and I'm just sitting there going, like, we just did an episode where he explicitly laid out his plan to wage a literal propaganda war against American people.
dan friesen
His argument would be that, like, because Edward Bernays trained me, I am...
Uniquely capable at destroying propaganda campaigns.
Wink?
That's his sort of version, and that's how Alex would sell it.
Because I think he does bring it up later, that Jerome Corsi knows how to pierce through propaganda campaigns.
jordan holmes
But he said he wanted to wage one!
dan friesen
He did.
I don't know.
jordan holmes
Where in the training manual was the only way to fight propaganda?
Is with even more blatant and obvious propaganda.
dan friesen
I honestly think that that is what he would think.
jordan holmes
Oh, actually, yeah, that's pretty much exactly what he would think.
dan friesen
I think that's what Corsi's angle absolutely would be.
jordan holmes
Oh, man, I just got real sad because of that.
dan friesen
We get into, eventually, the specifics about it, and we'll talk about the realities and why this is terrible.
It's not really all that terrible.
He got a weak pass.
It doesn't matter.
Alex even admits as much on this episode.
jordan holmes
Oh my god, he got a week pass?
dan friesen
High schoolers can get that.
But it's not really...
There's a couple things.
jordan holmes
Oh my god, is Jerome Corsi dying?
dan friesen
He might be in high school.
jordan holmes
Is this a make-a-wish?
Is this the make-a-wish?
dan friesen
It could be.
jordan holmes
I got breaking news.
Jerome Corsi is going to be spending a week in the White House.
And then the rest of his life underground.
dan friesen
If he shows up at the White House with John Cena, you know something's up.
Because that guy gives out a lot of make-a-wishes.
So, there's two things I want to bring up.
One is that Alex is doing everything wrong.
Because he's engaging with Stephen Colbert over his Tuck Buckford character.
Stephen Colbert is just clowning on Alex on Late Night.
And Alex is...
jordan holmes
And admittedly...
Enjoyable thing to do.
We're not going to take anybody down for that.
dan friesen
No.
No, I wish it was us, but at the same time, I wish anyone cared as much about what we do as they do with him, but I'm not bitter.
jordan holmes
I mean, you don't have 30 years of late night history behind you.
dan friesen
Who says?
jordan holmes
That's a good point.
I can neither prove nor disprove your claims on this.
dan friesen
Back when I was three, it was me, Letterman, Leno.
jordan holmes
Oh, and then Leno kicked you out.
He betrayed you.
dan friesen
Yeah, because he said I was too much of a baby.
unidentified
Right, right.
dan friesen
And to be fair, I was pretty young back then.
jordan holmes
You were baby Trump.
dan friesen
I was a baby!
So, he's fucking up.
jordan holmes
You took the handshake deal because you didn't know any better.
That's what happened.
dan friesen
He should not be engaging at all.
Let Colbert do whatever he wants.
Colbert is incredibly funny.
He's always going to win.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
It's always gonna...
Alex is lying about everything, so he can't win with the truth.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
It's only gonna give more ammunition for Colbert to make fun of if Alex gets mad.
There's no win for him.
Just ignore it.
Just ignore it.
He's fucking up there.
Now, in the rest of this episode...
jordan holmes
But he wouldn't be our Alex if he had even a moment where he thought, maybe I should just ignore it.
dan friesen
Should I cool out on this?
jordan holmes
Not happening.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
He sees that every single time and goes, Oh, I gotta say something about this.
Immediately.
dan friesen
Every time he jacks off to another Google result, he loses his boner because he thinks about Stephen Colbert making fun of him.
jordan holmes
Gotta take a little more super male vitality.
dan friesen
That one is the first thing he's fucking up big time right now.
The second thing he's fucking up big time is how he responds in this episode to people's criticisms about Corsi getting press passes.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
He should wave his dick around.
He is a troll.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
The whole thing isn't that Corsi is in the press corps.
He's legitimate.
Like, that's not what's going on.
They're just doing it to show him at the White House to piss people off.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
That's why Jack Posobiec went for a day.
unidentified
It's a great move.
dan friesen
It's a great move.
That's why Mike Cernovich went for a day, to piss people off.
That's what these alt-right people are doing, and it's good optics.
unidentified
Because you are going to make people mad, and they'll be like, can you believe this fucking shit?
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
And then all of a sudden they're talking about you.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
This is super defensive.
This episode is incredibly defensive, and Alex is just way off.
He should just be like, ha ha, my guy's in there.
Suck it, libtards.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
That's what he should be doing.
jordan holmes
That's a perfect angle.
dan friesen
Totally.
It would be so easy.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
But anyway, he does this instead.
alex jones
But it's not like I'm trying to get the brass ring of having White House press credentials.
We thought about it.
We thought, do we want to have somebody in D.C.?
We have to have an office.
We have to have a driver's license.
jordan holmes
Christ.
alex jones
Then you put in for daily, then you get weekly, then you get not even permanent now because they have rotating because you can't let everybody in the room.
dan friesen
So that's equivocation there at the end, but also he's like, we thought about it, but then, you know, we've got to have a driver's license.
jordan holmes
We could have gone either way.
We could have gone one way, we could have gone the other.
So his line now, the reason he's starting to be defensive is because...
dan friesen
Eventually that week's going to run out.
jordan holmes
No, he's worried that he's going to get it from his team.
He's worried that he's going to get the, oh, you sold out, you're part of the White House now.
dan friesen
Bingo.
jordan holmes
You're part of the whole game.
It's not about us anymore.
This is no info war.
dan friesen
This isn't about truth journalism.
jordan holmes
No, no, no, no.
You're just joining the whole pack.
dan friesen
You dumbass follower.
jordan holmes
Yeah, exactly.
dan friesen
You libtard cuck.
Yeah, probably.
You're probably right.
He's doing a little bit of that, but at the same time, I think what I suggested there in the middle was a little bit...
I'll live at two, which is he knows that eventually Corsi's pass is going to run out.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
And it's going to have to be like, we didn't really need it to begin with.
jordan holmes
First you go with Daily, that was Persobic.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
Then you go with Weekly, that's Corsi.
And now they don't even do Permanent anymore.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
So he's already given up that like...
This is probably the best we're going to do.
dan friesen
Yeah, don't expect more from us.
jordan holmes
Yeah, exactly.
dan friesen
I don't know about that, like, if they don't do permanent.
I think that New York Times has a permanent past.
jordan holmes
Oh, you think so?
dan friesen
I think they might.
jordan holmes
You think they might?
dan friesen
I think they might.
jordan holmes
You think they're not rotating out the New York fucking Times?
Or Washington Post?
dan friesen
I think Trump might try to.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
He might try and shut down the New York Times, for all we know.
dan friesen
I think it becomes a conversation every time he tries to.
But lest you think that that's the limit.
Of Alex's defensiveness about this situation.
It is not.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
He gets super defensive and then gets defensive about his own past.
jordan holmes
Ooh, now I'm excited.
Now you got me back on board.
dan friesen
He defends himself about an accusation no one's making, which is super fun.
alex jones
But it's not like I'm trying to get a seat at the table.
We already reached 45 million people conservatively a week, over 200 AM and FM affiliates.
I've been on the air 22 years.
Been on radio for 20 years.
That would say, oh, we started out on AXS TV.
Actually, I started out as a sperm and an egg in 1973.
And then I was born in 1974.
So, that's what's going on here.
But, of course, I started out on AXS TV when I was 20 years old.
Had a radio show by 21. I'm a self-made, self-built man.
It's like, oh, he came from AXS TV.
Now when I was 21 years old, 20 years old, I'm 43 now.
It's not, oh, it's amazing this guy reaches all these people at 43 and has a bigger audience than Rush Limbaugh and Glenn Beck.
Oh my God, it's his own network, his own system, his own thing.
No, it's, oh, he was on AXS TV and now he's got to be stopped.
dan friesen
I don't think anyone feels that way.
I don't think anyone cares that he was on AXS TV.
jordan holmes
No, anytime you see somebody on AXS TV, you think.
Well, he's got to be stopped.
dan friesen
Yeah, like Chris Gethard.
jordan holmes
Oh, yeah, absolutely.
dan friesen
Someone who's on XS TV and is fucking awesome.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah.
The best.
dan friesen
I think XS TV as a whole is really cool.
And actually, I'll be perfectly honest, I think Alex having roots in local XS TV makes him cool.
jordan holmes
I think so, too.
dan friesen
I think that...
jordan holmes
Have we considered getting a local XS TV show?
dan friesen
I've considered it every day of my life.
I don't know how to do it, though.
jordan holmes
No, we should talk to some people.
dan friesen
All right, let's check into it.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
Because then people could try and take us down in 20 years.
unidentified
Exactly!
Yeah.
jordan holmes
These guys came from Access TV.
It's time to shut down Knowledge Fight.
dan friesen
So, you're right.
I mean, like, it is...
He's like, I'm self-made!
It's like, your radio show happened because your dad bought an ad on radio and pimped with the producers.
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
Like, that...
You're not...
I mean, you've done...
jordan holmes
As is so many times the case of a...
Self-made millionaire.
dan friesen
Of course.
jordan holmes
It's always, I did this from the, oh, I pulled myself up by my bootstraps.
Yes, yes, it helped that my dad had $14 million.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
It was a bonus.
But he only gave me one million.
That's a self-made man.
dan friesen
That's nothing.
jordan holmes
I turned it into more than a million.
Oh, yeah.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So he's defensive about that, his past and his roots, and he thinks that people...
Hate him because he was on public access.
That's not true.
They hate him because he's a liar.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And he just gets super defensive about everything.
This whole 20-minute clip is a greatest hits of all his fun current lies.
He lies about Pizzagate.
He lies a little bit about Chobani.
He lies a little bit about this one right here.
This next clip is about his newest narrative.
That thing about Comey.
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
The thing about Comey lying to the Senate.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
We didn't actually play him talking about it.
I just explained it.
So here we go.
Here's Alex not understanding the fake narrative he's pushing with Comey.
alex jones
This isn't about me, but the media is totally obsessed.
They've had a bunch of news articles, Daily Beast, you name it, saying Alex Jones helped push up the stock market.
He's dangerous.
Jones played a fake clip of the FBI director.
jordan holmes
Wait, what?
alex jones
Saying that Trump wasn't under criminal investigation or that Trump had never tried to get him to obstruct justice and that no one else had.
Well, that's the clip.
They don't even show the clip.
They just say, I'm a liar, but admit we boosted the stock market.
It's crazy.
That is crazy.
Two weeks old?
It was two-plus months ago that the memo was supposedly written, and then months later, on May 3rd, Comey testifies that no one, not the Attorney General, no one, quote, no one tried to influence him or the FBI in the Russian investigation.
jordan holmes
Not what he said.
alex jones
That contradicts him.
That's perjury before Congress or the memo's a lie, which they won't show us.
So that's probably a lie.
dan friesen
Probably.
Not great.
Not great analysis.
jordan holmes
That's not great analysis.
dan friesen
Yeah, especially because, I mean, that isn't what he said.
unidentified
Nope.
dan friesen
Comey was asked specifically about the Attorney General or officials at the Department of Justice.
jordan holmes
Right.
Such as Jeff Sessions.
dan friesen
Alex is trying to say that just because he said...
jordan holmes
Or Rosenstein.
Sure.
dan friesen
Deputy?
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Alex is trying to pretend that Comey's answer doesn't relate to the question he was asked.
And just because he said, that hasn't happened in my experience, answering a question about the DOJ, Alex just takes the, that hasn't happened in my experience.
Context is unnecessary.
It hasn't happened in my experience.
jordan holmes
Never!
Ever!
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
It's on Congress.
dan friesen
So the thing he's talking about, the Daily Beast article that came out, apparently, I don't know what the fuck this article was talking about, but apparently the stock market did take a little bit of a jump, and they attributed it to stock traders seeing Alex covering this Comey clip.
And the idea that Trump wasn't in trouble...
And that Comey himself was in trouble made them buy.
And so prices went up.
unidentified
And then they found out it was fake and it went down.
Right.
jordan holmes
Here's what that is.
Most of those trading things are built now around algorithms that monitor social media feeds.
And if there's enough of these certain keywords in this kind of different direction, then it will change.
That's why there was that one day where there's that.
dan friesen
It's like robo-trading, right?
jordan holmes
That's why there's that one day where there's suddenly a massive crash and nobody knew why, and it was because all the algorithms did the exact same fucking thing, and just wiped out a shit ton of money for no reason.
dan friesen
So in the Daily Beast article, though, they also point out that, we've pointed out, about how Comey is answering a specific question in the article, and Alex doesn't understand that at all.
jordan holmes
Nope.
dan friesen
In the article, they also say that it's a two-week-old clip.
But Alex, because he can't wrestle with the fact that he doesn't understand context, has just glommed on to the fact that, they say it's a two-week-old clip!
Of course it's two weeks old!
Of course it's two weeks old!
Memo was before that!
Memo was before that!
He's lying!
jordan holmes
The memo was before that.
dan friesen
Sure, that part's true.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
But it doesn't mean anything.
Like, this is why...
jordan holmes
It means everything.
dan friesen
This is why he's fucking fake.
This is why he's a propagandist.
Because he can't not understand that.
A child could understand that.
If he can't understand that, I don't think he could tie a shoe.
He'd be that dumb.
jordan holmes
That's our new conspiracy theory.
dan friesen
What, Alex can't tie his shoes?
jordan holmes
Alex can't tie shoes.
dan friesen
To be fair, I have to use...
jordan holmes
Has anybody seen Alex Jones in public wearing anything other than Velcro?
Or slip-on shoes?
Or, and I will give him this, those shoes that have rollerblades in them.
dan friesen
Oh, the soap shoes?
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
No, no, I'm talking about grind shoes.
Those ones you can jump on rails and slide down?
jordan holmes
Oh, I did not know about that.
dan friesen
Those Sonic the Hedgehog shoes?
jordan holmes
No.
I'm thinking specifically the ones where the wheels pop out on the bottom and you can start sliding away.
Or perhaps the ones with lights on them where every time you take a step it flashes out like that.
dan friesen
The LA lights?
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, exactly.
dan friesen
So this is bullshit.
unidentified
Yes.
dan friesen
This is just bullshit.
So when Alex is in this whole defensive thing about we don't need press credentials to be legitimate, listen.
Everyone's talking about how we made the stock market go up with our fake shit.
It's not fake.
They say it's two weeks old.
Stop.
jordan holmes
His argument is that it has to be real because the stock market was affected by it.
dan friesen
No.
No.
He's saying that it has to be real because he knows it's real.
jordan holmes
No, no, I mean in his criticism of the Daily Beast.
So he's saying that they put out this article saying that he was fake, and yet at the same time they reported that the stock market went up.
So that contradicts their evidence that it's fake, because look, the stock market went up.
dan friesen
Oh, that which has an effect is real?
jordan holmes
Exactly.
dan friesen
True.
I think there's an even more interesting argument to be made that it's really dangerous when bullshit makes the stock market go up, because then we're in a...
We're in an economy where we're sort of incentivized to lie.
jordan holmes
Yeah, no, our economy is made of magic.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So, Jordan, you might be asking yourself.
jordan holmes
What am I asking myself?
dan friesen
How the fuck did this come to pass?
jordan holmes
I am asking myself that, but I'm also asking myself, has Alex Jones ever held a puppy in his arms?
dan friesen
Probably.
jordan holmes
And seen the truth of life in it?
dan friesen
Ever looked and seen himself in a dog's eyes?
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
Maybe.
jordan holmes
When he strangled Nonc.
dan friesen
Oh, man.
You're really set on this narrative that he had to kill Nank with his bare hands.
jordan holmes
I think he had to kill Nank!
I think there's no other reasonable explanation for where we are right now.
dan friesen
There's a lot of pieces that put that puzzle together.
Him talking about murdering a dog.
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
His drunken rambling about Nank.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
dan friesen
I mean, one and one makes two.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
dan friesen
I wonder about that myself, but more...
I know that everyone's...
jordan holmes
We need to get the documents.
When were the memos written by Alex Jones' dad?
Ordering him to kill Nank in order to become a man.
dan friesen
It's probably in the white papers.
jordan holmes
It's in the white papers.
I'll look it up.
It's been reported in Fortune 500 magazine.
dan friesen
So, we can't report on that right now.
But what we can report on is...
jordan holmes
As of press time, we still have not proven, without a doubt.
dan friesen
We have calls out.
jordan holmes
Yeah, exactly.
Alex Jones has refused our request to comment.
dan friesen
Yeah.
But what he has commented on in depth is this next bullshit story.
alex jones
You've got the media running thousands and thousands of news articles an hour, if not the top story, one of the top stories in the United States right now.
Many of the trends say it's the number one political story.
And they put out the same disinfo in here that I claimed I was getting press passes, but I didn't get them.
That's why they're so upset.
We were told, hey, come try to get press passes.
We can't refuse you anyways.
Anybody that's accredited and has an office and is in the news and has a platform gets the credentials.
jordan holmes
Come get them.
alex jones
So I said, yeah, okay, we'll get an office.
We'll have a reporter move there.
Dr. Corsi's lived there before.
He's covered the White House.
Number one New York Times bestselling author.
You know, flown around the press corps with presidential candidates like Mitt Romney in the 2000, you know, campaign.
2012 campaign.
So I said, yeah, he wants to work for us.
Leave World Net Daily.
That's fine.
Another good outfit.
But it wasn't like we were trying to finally be recognized and get our Oscar.
jordan holmes
Yes, you were!
alex jones
It wasn't like I was trying to get in movies and I finally got in them.
jordan holmes
That's exactly what you were trying to do.
alex jones
Jones caught in fake news.
unidentified
You wouldn't be so defensive about it if it weren't exactly what you were trying to do.
White House sources say...
alex jones
There's a paperwork mix-up.
Yeah, when they went to him, they said, he's not been given them.
I said, they want us to get them.
They say, where are you?
We want you here.
I say, okay, let's see about press credentials.
Oh, we need to have some money moves there.
We need to have offices.
Okay, we got offices.
Okay, Dr. Corsi's moved there with his wife.
He's lived there before.
Worked for the State Department.
You name it.
Banking.
jordan holmes
How's his space work here?
Is he moving from side to side to indicate which part of the conversation he's on at any given point?
dan friesen
He's doing some handwork.
jordan holmes
He's doing some handwork.
dan friesen
Yeah, not a lot of character-based stuff.
jordan holmes
That's bad.
You gotta turn your head to the right, turn your head to the left.
dan friesen
So I says to him...
All right.
jordan holmes
So he says, come over to my shop after the show!
And I say to him, I can't come over to your shop!
I'm having sex with your wife!
dan friesen
See, now that is so...
That's not how Alex talks a lot of the time.
And it kind of makes me think that was based on a real conversation he had with somebody.
jordan holmes
That is a lot...
That's a lot less detail than he gives.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
At no point was he like, this man wearing a really nice tie.
Look, I'm not saying that I like ties like that.
I don't wear a tie.
But this man, he wearing a nice tie.
It's no big deal.
dan friesen
Skinny tie is a mark of a cuck.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
I mean, yeah.
He just gave us press credentials.
We didn't ask for them.
His ties were amazing.
That's how you knew he was legit.
That's what he's really missing there.
He didn't mention at any point in time how he knew.
That it was a legitimate source.
dan friesen
That's true.
jordan holmes
So he assumed it was legitimate, which is something he does not often do because it is never the case.
dan friesen
That people he's talking to are legitimate?
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Of course.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
He has to certify it.
jordan holmes
Right.
And this time he does not have to certify it.
dan friesen
Interesting.
jordan holmes
Which does lend credence to your thought that it was a real conversation.
dan friesen
Can I be clear what I think happened?
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
Okay, let's move on.
jordan holmes
You have to lie about what you think happened.
Or, at the very least, obfuscate what you think happened.
dan friesen
I definitely don't think that someone like Mike Flynn said, hey, you should get press credentials.
I definitely don't think that that's probably what happened.
jordan holmes
He's got a lot more on his mind.
dan friesen
But, like, back when he wasn't in such hot water...
jordan holmes
Mike Flynn was more like...
Do you still have a passport and can I put my picture on it instead?
Is that one still good?
dan friesen
Do you know any good lawyers?
No, clearly not.
jordan holmes
No, you don't.
If I had good lawyers, believe me.
dan friesen
Oh, also, it's not in this episode, but man, he's been spinning the Chobani shit hard.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I believe it.
dan friesen
He's been saying that...
Okay, so Colbert talked about on his...
In one of his jokes about Alex.
jordan holmes
So Colbert's doing a full-on running gag here.
dan friesen
He's doing a character called Tuck Buckford that's a take on Alex.
jordan holmes
Frequently.
dan friesen
Yes.
jordan holmes
Oh, wow.
dan friesen
Yeah, quite a bit.
It's becoming the most one-sided war ever.
But Alex, he...
jordan holmes
That's dangerous.
Stephen Colbert is finally learning how much more fun it is to not do a Bill O 'Reilly, but to do a full-on unhinged Alex Jones character.
dan friesen
Because at least Bill O 'Reilly was in on it.
jordan holmes
Yeah, exactly.
dan friesen
Alex is way on the outside, doesn't understand humor.
jordan holmes
Oh, yeah.
dan friesen
So, with the Chobani stuff, Colbert said that he lost in court, which Alex did.
He never would have given that retraction if he didn't lose.
jordan holmes
Of course.
dan friesen
If he wasn't fucked over a barrel.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
A pickle barrel, perhaps.
unidentified
Aha!
jordan holmes
He had his turn.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So he never would have done that otherwise.
So clearly he did lose.
We can just use sort of context clues and figure that out.
Colbert said he had to pay out a settlement.
And that isn't public.
And no one really knows if that's true because it was a private.
Like, their settlement was private.
So I don't know if Alex had to pay them anything.
And Stephen Colbert said it, but he didn't say anything specific.
But Alex took that to mean that Chobani told him what the secret settlement was.
jordan holmes
Why?
dan friesen
Why would Chobani do that?
Because it's all a fucking PR stunt by Chobani.
He thinks that it's a PR stunt.
jordan holmes
I mean, I'm guessing they've gotten some great PR out of it, I suppose.
dan friesen
I don't know.
I don't know if they have.
jordan holmes
Suing a broken, mentally ill man?
That's always great optics, right?
dan friesen
It's either a push or it's negative associating their brand with him.
jordan holmes
That's possible.
dan friesen
Especially after they settled.
If they'd taken him down, then it would have been maybe positive.
jordan holmes
Then they would have been heroes.
dan friesen
Maybe, to some.
jordan holmes
But that's not the Ulikaia we know.
dan friesen
No, no.
jordan holmes
He has a good heart, and he doesn't want to see Alex hurt too bad.
dan friesen
No, he doesn't want to see him wearing a barrel with suspenders.
unidentified
More barrels.
jordan holmes
God damn it, Hamdi.
dan friesen
Good man.
jordan holmes
You had your chance.
dan friesen
So, Alex believes that since Colbert has talked about it...
Chobani has told Colbert the lawsuit details, and so Alex has put Chobani on notice and told them not to destroy any documents.
unidentified
Why would you poke the very bear that just...
jordan holmes
Because I know it's double jeopardy.
dan friesen
I think that's only in criminal cases.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's not how that works.
You can get sued all over the place.
dan friesen
But you can't get sued for the same thing again that you've already settled for.
jordan holmes
Unless...
He has a very bad lawyer.
dan friesen
True.
jordan holmes
Who, one, forgot to put in a don't sue us again for the same reason clause.
unidentified
That's true.
jordan holmes
Which would be the funniest.
And two, removed, like, it wouldn't even be possible for them to share that information if they, unless they didn't have a non-disclosure.
Within the settlement agreement terms.
dan friesen
But I think that's what they did.
I think they do.
jordan holmes
Of course they do, because otherwise it would be public information now.
dan friesen
And it would be reported in all the articles that had his public retraction in it.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
So of course he knows that Chubani couldn't possibly have done this.
dan friesen
Yeah, but he's got to try and win somehow, and that's how he's been doing it.
jordan holmes
That's the way he's going to try and save things.
dan friesen
He said he's going to countersue them for disclosing the settlement agreement.
jordan holmes
Ah, there we go.
dan friesen
And he's been like, I would love to tell everyone what the settlement was.
unidentified
Oh.
dan friesen
Because I'm very happy about it.
jordan holmes
I bet he is very happy about it.
dan friesen
Yeah, because you didn't get destroyed.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Like, they could have taken you for your fucking house.
jordan holmes
Oh, God.
dan friesen
Like, okay, so even if they can't sue him for the article, the slander of their articles they put out.
And granted, maybe that wasn't Alex saying those things.
Maybe it was David Knight.
But shit rolls downhill.
It's gonna land on Alex's face.
jordan holmes
Downhill from David Knight is definitely not Alex Jones.
Downhill from David Knight is like a syphilitic Dan Rather corpse.
dan friesen
Jerome Corpsey?
What I meant is the buck stops with Alex.
unidentified
There we go.
dan friesen
And so the responsibility ultimately lies with him for things that he puts out on his network that he owns.
But even if they don't want to re-sue him for that, the stuff he talked about in that episode that we went over, they could just sue him for that.
Where he's doubling down on everything.
It's like, okay, you're off the hook on that one.
jordan holmes
That's a good point.
dan friesen
But here we go.
jordan holmes
God damn it.
I wonder if we could sue on behalf of Chobani and get some of that settled money for ourselves.
dan friesen
I don't want to do that.
I don't want to drag Hamdi into this.
jordan holmes
Ah, that's a good point.
dan friesen
He's a good man.
So anyway, the other thing that Alex has been doing that's really funny is that...
Because Stephen Colbert is doing skits where he's pretending to be a fake Alex Jones.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
One of the things he...
jordan holmes
Tell me Alex is pretending to be a fake Stephen Colbert.
dan friesen
No, but he's not getting the point.
And he's critically deconstructing the bits.
jordan holmes
Wait, he's doing what?
dan friesen
He's going through and being like, now the joke he's trying to make here is about how I believe in chemtrails.
jordan holmes
Alex is going line by line, giving notes to Stephen Colbert.
dan friesen
It's funny conceptually that he's doing it, but I listened to it and it wouldn't play on the show.
I don't have any of that.
But one thing, in one of Colbert's monologues, he's like, Alex claimed that Chobani is bringing in migrant rapists.
And trying to spread tuberculosis, which we all know is Yoplait's game.
Alex's response to that was...
jordan holmes
That is a very...
Alright.
dan friesen
We made that joke.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
But I think we used Dannon.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
But Alex's...
jordan holmes
Go-gurt.
dan friesen
Alex's response to that is, well, now he slandered Yoplait!
unidentified
Why does Stephen Colbert get to make jokes and I don't?
jordan holmes
Because...
Oh, man, he just does.
dan friesen
Because, baby, your jokes ain't jokes.
jordan holmes
Has he ever really laughed?
unidentified
Like, does he have a sense of humor ever, like, in his real life?
dan friesen
No, I don't think so.
jordan holmes
I think he's a man without humor.
dan friesen
Yeah, probably.
jordan holmes
He's a sad man, because all the laughs that we've ever heard have been fake laughs.
dan friesen
Yeah, he's a weird dude.
So let's get back on track here.
You know, he's getting defensive.
He's talking about how we don't need these for credibility.
But that's not enough.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
That's not enough for Alex and Infowars.
They have to go one step further.
jordan holmes
Of course.
dan friesen
So what Alex decides to do is, in a very extended way, cuck out the press corps real hard.
jordan holmes
The entire press corps.
dan friesen
Pretty much.
And the idea of it.
jordan holmes
So he's getting these credentials and at the same time shitting all over these very credentials.
That he got.
dan friesen
Yeah, it's totally the wrong angle.
jordan holmes
But how much work did they have to do to get these credentials?
unidentified
Jerome Corsi had to move to D.C. That's true!
dan friesen
They had to buy an office!
jordan holmes
They had to do the whole thing!
dan friesen
He had to have a driver's license.
Those are the three things Alex keeps bringing up.
I assume that's it.
jordan holmes
I'm guessing it's slightly more complicated than...
We need you to have an office and a driver's license.
Come on down to the White House!
dan friesen
Rubber stamp.
jordan holmes
Yeah, exactly.
dan friesen
Good.
So here we go.
Here's where the cucking begins.
alex jones
So here's what's going on.
jordan holmes
What's going on?
alex jones
We don't need White House press credentials to be legitimized.
In fact, in a way, it almost delegitimizes us to try to go to this old archaic thing of some press spokesman or woman coming out.
And then we hear what the president said, or we hear what they said, or we hear what the media says, and they all sit there and have a fight with each other.
Instead, we just look into what politicians claim and what they do.
We look at what's happening in the legislation.
We look at the documents.
We look at raw video.
We look at reports.
We look at stock numbers.
We look at reality.
jordan holmes
You're just throwing in stock numbers because of that.
alex jones
I pulled the trigger because, of course, you can interview so many other experts off the record.
You can do press club announcements.
He's got all these sources in the White House, obviously, that we exposed.
The Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac have been looted of $300 billion.
We broke that.
Mnuchin came out two months after and said InfoWars is correct.
They're looting it and we're going to stop it.
And Corsi was at the press conference today where that stuff was coming out.
Do you understand?
And scroll through it.
There's Corsi and there's Corsi at the White House.
dan friesen
His example there is a story that's not true.
jordan holmes
The Mnuchin came out and said InfoWars was correct.
Is such a funny thing for him to say, because the first lie is, of course, the way that he's spinning that.
He doesn't come out and say, Mnuchin said the information that InfoWars gave is correct, or that what InfoWars reported on was correct.
Alex is saying, Mnuchin came out and said InfoWars is correct, as a whole stop thing right there.
The other part of that is no, that absolutely did not happen.
dan friesen
Totally.
jordan holmes
So he doubles down on the one lending himself credibility by having this high-up dude say, look at how right InfoWars is all the time.
We're just confirming what InfoWars already told you.
And that to me is great because that distracts from the fact that none of that actually happened.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
Like, that's a brilliant little move there.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Jerome Corsi broke a story that's not true.
jordan holmes
That's a much better headline.
dan friesen
And we've been over it.
We've explained why it's not true in great detail.
Both versions of the Fanny Freddy story that they tried to pull.
One a couple months back and one a couple weeks ago.
We've been over it.
They're both not true.
They're both fucking lies.
unidentified
But Steve Mnuchin confirmed it.
dan friesen
A third lie.
unidentified
It's crazy.
dan friesen
I don't understand.
jordan holmes
People can only catch up to your most recent lie.
So, if you keep on lying, eventually people finally forget the old lies and move on to the new lies.
dan friesen
We don't need the press corps, man.
We got fucking Mnuchin telling us we're fucking right.
jordan holmes
I do believe him when he says that they don't need to be in the press corps to legitimize them, because that sure as fuck isn't going to happen no matter where they are.
dan friesen
Well, that's also true.
They don't need the press corps to legitimize themselves to the people who dare think that they're legitimate now.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
So he's not done cucking out the press corps.
He's got to talk some more shit about them and then at the same time talk about how Jerome Corsi is the best.
And he loses it a little bit.
jordan holmes
Okay.
alex jones
Remember, there was this whole controversy in January and February and March and April that we were liars and we never got offered press credentials and we were fake news so we'd never get press credentials.
And I explained to people, ladies and gentlemen, if you've got a main media organization and you've got listeners and you've got an organization and you've got an address, And you've got a DC license.
They can't block you from getting your press credentials.
And Dr. Corsi Has a PhD in international finance from Harvard and worked in covert operations for the State Department and other agencies and has never talked about it until last week on my show.
He countered Russian propaganda and fake memes for unnamed USA agencies.
unidentified
Don't you think it might be suspicious that he's never talked about it before?
alex jones
He's been friends with Trump 40 plus years.
Oh, he's had three number one New York Times bestsellers.
They admit affected and won one presidential campaign and probably won a second.
dan friesen
So, real quick, that is the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth that torpedoed John Kerry's campaign.
And if Alex Jones is really thrilled about the fact that he helped John Kerry lose, Alex, you hate George W. Bush.
jordan holmes
You know that Iraq war that you hate now?
dan friesen
You talk about how much you hate it now.
Jerome Corsi was responsible for extending it.
jordan holmes
Yeah, but...
dan friesen
I don't think Kerry could have stopped it.
jordan holmes
Kerry's a globalist.
dan friesen
But so is George W. Bush!
jordan holmes
No, Kerry's a globalist.
dan friesen
It's so stupid.
So fucking stupid.
If it was, like, some sort of big nationalist win in that election...
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
And Corsi had taken down Kerry, who could have beat the Nationalist.
Then Alex would have a reasonable argument.
jordan holmes
I don't think Alex, though, is jerking him off here regarding who he got elected so much as, look at how powerful this guy is.
dan friesen
Look how effective his propaganda is.
jordan holmes
And it's hard to argue against it.
Like, you heard about the Swift Boat bullshit a lot.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Like, I heard that meme, or mem, according to Corsi.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
So many goddamn times.
My dad thought it was true shit.
dan friesen
A lot of people thought it was true.
jordan holmes
Rush Limbaugh and all those fuckfaces.
Like, they all went whole hog on it, and you gotta give Corsi credit there.
He did successfully get millions of people murdered.
dan friesen
Him and Larry C. Johnson.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Past Infowars guest.
But, also, his number one bestsellers were about how Obama's birth certificate is fake.
And how about Obama's illegitimate to be president?
jordan holmes
Bestseller's not important.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
They sold a lot of books.
dan friesen
Sure.
I mean...
unidentified
What?
What?
dan friesen
I...
I don't get it.
I don't get it.
Does Alex...
Okay.
If Alex is really impressed by this, he has to be superficial as fuck and really only care about the fact that he torpedoed John Kerry and he sold a lot of books.
unidentified
Yes.
dan friesen
Because if he looks beneath the surface...
Right under that rock is George W. Bush, and then also under that rock is, oh no, oh no, I have to be a birther now.
I don't think Alex wants to talk about that.
jordan holmes
Now, your initial statement, Alex is superficial as shit, you could have just stopped right there.
dan friesen
Well, I'm just trying to give an alternative.
jordan holmes
Yeah, he's superficial as shit.
dan friesen
Because the alternative is, I'm thrilled with George W. Bush being president.
jordan holmes
He doesn't need to go any further.
dan friesen
Yeah, you're right.
jordan holmes
He doesn't need that.
Also, was Corsi working with him at the time?
I don't think he was.
dan friesen
Corsi with Alex back then?
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
No, but he has to sign off on it.
jordan holmes
Right, but who cares?
At that point, now Corsi's in with the wars, man.
dan friesen
That's true.
jordan holmes
Corsi's in there.
Now we have control over what Corsi's going to torpedo.
Now we have control over the propaganda campaign.
dan friesen
We have the weapon at our disposal.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
dan friesen
He's not working for World News Daily anymore.
jordan holmes
Much like North Korea, we've got the bomb now.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Anyway, he has some more positive things to say about Corsi, which I disagree with all of them.
alex jones
Has won presidential campaigns.
He has three New York Times number one bestsellers.
He is friends with Donald Trump for 40 plus years.
He's been involved in international psyops against the globalists.
He exposed NAFTA and GATT, was the main guy educating Lou Dobbs before he got fired from CNN.
jordan holmes
And he's not credible.
alex jones
And the press corps says, they want to throw up.
Yeah.
You want to throw up that a guy that sold 15 million books is in there.
You want to throw up a guy that was encountering terrorism all over the world, in the Middle East, in clandestine operations and almost killed many times.
And he's almost getting ready to talk about it.
unidentified
He's almost getting ready to talk about it.
alex jones
And then he's there exposing the entire operation and you say he's not real, Chris Murphy.
jordan holmes
Yes, we do!
dan friesen
He's mad at one guy who tweeted about it.
jordan holmes
Yeah, Chris Murphy.
dan friesen
Yeah, one reporter.
jordan holmes
Fucking Chris goddamn Murphy.
dan friesen
Chris Murphy.
jordan holmes
Oh, Chris?
Fucking...
You think you don't...
You think you're better than Corsi?
Corsi!
Ran international psyops against a fictional organization.
dan friesen
That he's almost ready to talk about.
jordan holmes
He's almost ready to talk about him.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
He wouldn't even talk about it until exactly one week ago.
dan friesen
Yeah, yeah.
unidentified
When it was to his great benefit.
jordan holmes
To maybe make all of this shit up!
dan friesen
Yeah, about Edward Bernays and what have you.
jordan holmes
Yeah!
dan friesen
Also, that guy who Alex had on who said that he had proof that Hillary was being paid by the Chinese government, she was on the payroll, and that his family had been threatened, and Alex was like, he's gonna be back on to talk about it!
He said he's ready to talk!
Still never come on.
I bet it's gonna be the same thing with Corsi.
jordan holmes
You think so?
dan friesen
He's almost ready to talk!
jordan holmes
Well, I bet Corsi has a much better lawyer who's like, did you see this fucking Chobani settlement shit?
Don't go anywhere near that.
dan friesen
Be careful.
jordan holmes
Don't make any insinuations.
You can't back up.
Or at least about other people.
Lie about yourself all the fuck you want.
Who's going to sue you?
unidentified
You?
dan friesen
Yeah, Corsi's walked the line of slander for a long time.
He's miraculously not been destroyed by all the bullshit he's done.
But now is where the episode takes a harsh turn.
So up till this point, it's just been like, we don't need the press credentials, but also we, everyone hates us because we're so truthful.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
These sorts of things.
Like, we don't need, it's all about integrity.
We're full of integrity.
jordan holmes
We're great.
Independent media.
We don't want to hitch our wagon to the old M-Stream fake media.
dan friesen
And of course he is amazing, which he's not.
jordan holmes
He's not.
dan friesen
He's documented in past episodes.
Superficially in this episode as well.
jordan holmes
Documented as not being amazing.
dan friesen
Yeah, he's a dick.
So this next one, Alex talks about why the media attacks him.
The media hates him.
jordan holmes
I bet it's for the right reasons.
dan friesen
Well, he talked about Pizzagate.
Right before this, and I cut it out because I don't really care to hear him lie more about Pizzagate on this podcast.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I think we're good.
I think we got all we're going to get out of that.
dan friesen
So he's like, you know, all they do whenever they want to discredit me, they just yell Pizzagate, Pizzagate, Pizzagate.
And then he says this.
alex jones
And the media attacks me more and more for that.
Or they attack me for Sandy Hook because I expose the fact that we had debates saying, was it totally real or totally false?
jordan holmes
He exposed that they had debates?
alex jones
We know that CNN does fake remotes when they're not on location.
Did it really happen that they just used blue screen?
And so that discredits it.
But, you know, probably we know mass shootings happen.
jordan holmes
But they don't show my full quote!
dan friesen
They don't show his full quote.
I know we've done this on the show already, but it's so much fun just to be like, hey, Alex, they didn't show your full quote.
Here's your full quote, you dumb punk.
alex jones
Sandy Hook is a synthetic, completely fake, with actors, in my view, manufactured.
I couldn't believe it at first.
I knew they had actors there, clearly, but I thought they killed some real kids.
jordan holmes
And it just shows how bold they are.
alex jones
That they clearly...
Used actors.
I mean, they even ended up using photos of kids killed in mass shootings here in a fake mass shooting in Turkey.
So, yeah.
Or Pakistan.
The sky is now the limit.
I appreciate your call.
dan friesen
Anyway, Alex, shut up.
Just shut the fuck up.
Just stop.
I'm just gonna play that clip.
Every time he brings up Sandy Hook.
jordan holmes
That's a pretty good clip.
dan friesen
You might have had debates, but you also said that multiple times.
jordan holmes
He's got an adverb followed by two adjectives supporting exactly what he is saying he didn't do.
dan friesen
Yeah.
unidentified
And again, clip's still there, man.
dan friesen
Yep, still online.
jordan holmes
Clip's still there.
dan friesen
Still online.
You should take that down.
If you're gonna lie about what you've said in the past.
Take it down.
jordan holmes
Yeah, at the very least, bother to try.
dan friesen
So Alex gets really defensive about how they're all into truth, and everything's truth, and everyone just lies about InfoWars, man.
That's what the bummer is, is that everyone just lies about them.
He's got Stephen Colbert going up there and being Tuck Buckford.
Trying to get people to think that that's what he does.
You've got people saying that he lost to Chobani in court because he made an embarrassing public retraction.
You've got people saying that he's a liar because he had to come out and say, hey, James Elefantis was going to sue me, so hey, Pete's Gate's not real.
Hey, I never talked about that place.
I never talked about Comic Ping Pong, except for the clip that we played on a past episode of him very in-depth talking about the pizza place.
jordan holmes
I wonder why people say he lies all the time.
dan friesen
But you have to go listen to them.
You have to listen to Infowars.
Don't take the word of all of these liars out there.
I'll let Alex spell it out.
Here's what he wants to tell you.
alex jones
Now, find out why Infowars is so hated.
Find out why it's so demonized.
Don't just join the crowd that gets into feeling like they're part of the winners and watch Stephen Colbert and all these other teleprompter readers.
Actually, tune in to Infowars.com daily to myself and the rest of the great crew.
And find out what we're really covering.
Find out what we're really saying.
Find out what we're really doing.
dan friesen
Alex, you have...
jordan holmes
Who is listening to this and going, well, I better double-check what InfoWars says?
dan friesen
Alex, you have done this to yourself.
The next six clips are...
Oops, sorry.
Seven are what you cover, and they're fucking horrible.
jordan holmes
Oh, no.
dan friesen
We're going to start with one that we've already played on the show just to, you know, give us a little bit of just familiar hatred.
This covers his Islamophobia portion.
alex jones
Detroit school to hold Muslim girls only prom.
Let me tell you something.
Hundreds of thousands Obama brought in everywhere I went in Austin yesterday, including a suburb.
I went in two shops.
jordan holmes
Even in the white suburbs.
alex jones
And then I went to Pool Supply Place.
And there were like seven people in the Starbucks.
Three of them were young Muslim girls with hoods up with their heads drinking coffee after school.
Then I went to Pool Supply Place.
Same deal.
And all I'm telling you is, imagine if you were in Saudi Arabia.
And in Saudi Arabia they were walking to stores and there were Christians and women with lipstick on and high heels everywhere.
They'd start physically attacking you.
But here we're tolerant.
I'm just saying, we're letting in people in mass that are not tolerant, that are the most oppressive, cult-like people on earth, and it freaks me out.
You bet I'm freaked out.
You bet I am.
I've got three dollars, ladies and gentlemen, and I don't like it.
dan friesen
So, I wanted to start with that, just because we've already listened to it before, and...
jordan holmes
He is afraid of young Muslim women.
dan friesen
Who are very integrated into our society.
What I wanted to do is...
jordan holmes
I love that.
Like, that clip is so dumb on so many levels because that clip proves exactly what makes America better than Saudi Arabia.
dan friesen
And he's furious about it.
jordan holmes
And he's like, God damn it!
We need to be more like Saudi Arabia!
dan friesen
Yeah, but to other people.
jordan holmes
Yeah, exactly!
dan friesen
But I wanted to play that first because this is going to...
jordan holmes
We're tolerant here, but only of people we like.
dan friesen
This is going to be like a lobster in a pot.
This is the cold water.
That we've already listened to, and it's just going to get worse from here.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
So this next clip is him talking about Jade Helm, the bullshit conspiracy theory that the government was going to take over Texas.
jordan holmes
I recall that one.
dan friesen
This is him talking about it.
He fully believed it.
alex jones
You cannot make up the full magnitude.
Jade Helm is a Watson computer algorithm codenamed Mastering the Human Domain.
And it's not codenamed anymore.
And those that are smart enough to even physically resist down the road or try to sabotage fiber optic or try to jam systems, then they'll dispatch special forces to kill you.
As the special forces families die of cancer and their children are mentally retarded.
I mean, soon, half the public is going to be basically mentally retarded or have serious disabilities.
And then it's going to be 70, 80 percent.
And by then, just 15, 20 years from now, robots are going to be everywhere.
dan friesen
Yeah, they're in my pocket.
jordan holmes
He just doesn't understand that he's talking about humanoid robots, right?
dan friesen
Yeah, I think so.
jordan holmes
He's talking about robots that are directly competing with you.
Why haven't humans won any races for the past 20 years?
dan friesen
So he fully bought into Jade Helm and tried to scare people about it.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
He does this all the time.
jordan holmes
To the point where he's already planning for future guerrilla operations that are going to be defeated by special forces.
dan friesen
Yep.
Makes sense.
Water's still not all that hot.
This is just you reporting dumb shit.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Hey.
That was going on in, like, what, 2014, 15?
jordan holmes
Something like that.
dan friesen
Texas, still free.
jordan holmes
Nah.
I don't know.
The Spurs lost, so are any of us really free?
dan friesen
Jade Helm did not materialize.
jordan holmes
With those libtards in Golden State winning every basketball game.
Nuh-uh.
dan friesen
So, for this next...
jordan holmes
Not in my Muslim hating America.
dan friesen
The next one I'm going to do here is we're going to enter the...
What I'm going to call whites are the victims, Chunk.
alex jones
I was raised around just intense culture of white guilt that just permeates Christians.
My family are Christians across the board, and I'm sick of it.
I haven't done jack crap to anybody.
In fact, I bet you money there are few living black people that have been abused by white people as much as I have been abused by black people.
dan friesen
That's crazy.
jordan holmes
No, no, no.
Few black people have been abused by white people the same way he's been abused by black people.
Everybody knows this.
dan friesen
After that, he goes on a three-minute tangent about street fights he's been in.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
So, what are you talking about?
jordan holmes
As good as he is at street fights.
Black people are better than him, apparently.
dan friesen
That's abuse!
jordan holmes
That's abuse!
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
That's definitely not structural abuse that has been ingrained in this country since its beginning.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
And saying nothing of the idea that, I'm sick of this white guilt people make me feel.
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Why do I have to feel guilt for things that people that I am probably directly related to, let's say the people who fought for the South in the Civil War, Why am I being forced to feel guilt over it?
I didn't fight for the South in the Civil War.
Sure.
Sure.
My dad got his dentistry license from Robert E. Lee.
As we all know, before he became the famous general.
dan friesen
He was a dental authorizer.
jordan holmes
He was a dental hygienist.
dan friesen
So, yeah, that's pretty terrible.
That's the sort of stuff they cover a lot.
jordan holmes
That's rough.
dan friesen
A whole lot.
jordan holmes
That's rough.
dan friesen
In this next clip, Alex sort of misunderstands panhandling as being mugged, and he thinks it's a racist act.
Super fun.
alex jones
The last three times now, I've been down there, past 7 o 'clock at night, I have been approached by a black guy who's over 6 feet, 250 pounds, going, I need some money, I need it right now.
You're like, I'm not going to give you money, and they start bowing up, I need it right now.
They don't say, give it to me or I'm going to attack you.
unidentified
They just, I need the money right now!
alex jones
That's a nice watch.
Same thing happens in New York.
It's happened to Rob Jacobson a bunch on the train growing up and going to work.
Almost always, black guys.
Because there's this attitude that they are allowed to do it because you're white because you deserve it.
dan friesen
Oh, more white victimhood.
jordan holmes
I mean, Alex, you do deserve it.
You do.
dan friesen
Well, that's a personal thing.
That's not because he's white.
jordan holmes
No.
I don't care what color Alex Jones' skin is.
I think anybody who does what he does deserves to have people ask him for money every now and again.
dan friesen
Well, I mean, you know he has a sort of way of fantasticalizing his life.
He always turns everything into a scene from a movie.
jordan holmes
Which, again, if we go back to the beginning here, that once again shows you that...
The more he lies, the more details he gives.
unidentified
Right.
jordan holmes
Six feet plus, over 280 pounds.
dan friesen
I need money now!
jordan holmes
What are you talking about, dude?
dan friesen
He's doing a character.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
He's obviously just fictionalizing an encounter he had with someone who was homeless, probably, and was like, do you have any money?
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
That sort of thing.
He's turned it into, like, I'm being attacked by this guy.
jordan holmes
Wow.
dan friesen
Because he's black.
jordan holmes
I mean, he was down there.
dan friesen
Yeah, in East Austin.
jordan holmes
Exactly!
dan friesen
Yeah, this black guy came up to me, and of course, because he's black, he's trying to attack me.
I'm sick of this white victimhood.
jordan holmes
And let me tell you something.
I saw girls in a pool supply in the suburbs.
dan friesen
Yeah, and it freaked me out.
jordan holmes
They were there!
dan friesen
So this next clip...
jordan holmes
Wearing hats!
dan friesen
Here's a nice fun clip of Paul Joseph Watson.
He did a report making fun of the idea of being trans.
jordan holmes
Oh, God, no.
alex jones
It's up on Infowars.com.
The truth about trans everything.
unidentified
Hey, y 'all!
My name is Mangina, and I'm a gender-fluid, two-spirited, transracial, Muslim atheist, other than feminist, anti-racist, social justice warrior.
And I want to reveal to you my trans-odyssey, and how I've overcome hatred and bigotry to truly embrace who I really am.
dan friesen
The video is Paul Joseph Watson in a wig, lisping a whole bunch.
jordan holmes
That's Paul Joseph Watson?
dan friesen
While he's doing a fun voice.
jordan holmes
Doing a voice.
dan friesen
Doing a fun voice and lisping around, like...
unidentified
The fucking endless cruelty of these people.
dan friesen
It's insane.
And you know what's really funny?
That clip, that video, that special report from Paul Joseph Watson, Alex actually had to turn off.
jordan holmes
Really?
dan friesen
He's like, this is getting too racy.
jordan holmes
Yeah!
unidentified
Yeah!
dan friesen
You know why?
Because it was getting just outwardly...
jordan holmes
That's the most bigoted and transphobic thing.
And not only transphobic, he's throwing everything in there.
dan friesen
Everything.
jordan holmes
He's throwing just every possible thing that it's like everybody who isn't a white male Christian is the single worst thing and they're trying to destroy everybody.
And so he's creating this character that is just...
Which, frankly, what is his character doing wrong?
Even his character is just describing like a guy who's not hurting anybody.
dan friesen
I would guess that what the character is doing wrong is it's annoying Christians.
jordan holmes
Yeah, exactly.
dan friesen
It's making videos that annoy me.
unidentified
Yeah.
And make me feel that white guilt that I don't want to feel.
Ugh.
jordan holmes
This is really all about how he doesn't want to feel stuff.
dan friesen
He doesn't want to feel bad about being white.
jordan holmes
He doesn't want to feel bad about fucking anything.
He doesn't want to take responsibility for fuck all.
And the same thing is true of everybody that is on the right who's always crying about safe spaces and trigger words and all that shit are really just trying to avoid feeling like they hurt people.
Like, that's their entire existence now, is hurting people and then doing everything possible to avoid feeling like they hurt people.
dan friesen
Yeah, there's a lot of that.
This next clip, Paul Joseph Watson explains how...
jordan holmes
Fuck Paul Joseph Watson forever!
dan friesen
This is bad.
It has to do with race.
But it has to do with more than just race.
It's pretty bad.
paul joseph watson
Yeah, and they create this complete fabrication that there's a rape culture in the West.
dan friesen
They say that one in four women are raped.
unidentified
Completely bogus statistics.
paul joseph watson
And in the Middle East and Africa and these places where there is an actual rape culture, it's completely ignored.
alex jones
But those men aren't white, so it's okay.
dan friesen
Huh.
Alright.
Well, I mean, we're really exploring what you cover.
And so far, I think everyone's right to hate you.
jordan holmes
Yeah, absolutely.
dan friesen
So much of what they cover really just boils down to white shit.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Why is it bad that I'm white?
No one cares, Alex.
No one cares that you're white.
You're not oppressed.
Stop it.
jordan holmes
You're so not oppressed.
dan friesen
Stop it.
Stop it.
Now, here's the last one.
And I think this is terrible.
This is from today.
Today's episode, Tuesday.
jordan holmes
He topped it.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Yeah.
jordan holmes
All right.
Fucking Christ.
dan friesen
Put the mic down.
unidentified
Ah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
In this clip, he kind of blames the parents of the kids that died.
jordan holmes
No!
dan friesen
Yep.
alex jones
And so, ladies and gentlemen, I'm sure many of the parents of the young people that were at this concert, many were adults, many were tweenies, many were teens.
Most adults probably there don't like having open borders to Islam.
But I guarantee you a lot of the parents do want to go along with bringing in radical Islam.
And bottom line, they are now responsible for this animal bombing and killing 22 plus people.
The parents that call for open borders and call for appeasement.
Are just as guilty as Macron and Merkel and Hillary Clinton and Obama and all the rest of them.
You're the ones that have these dead children's blood on your hands.
You're the trendies that love this.
dan friesen
That's the day after.
Yep.
So, hey, guys, don't just take other people's word for it.
Go ahead and listen.
Really find out why people hate them.
jordan holmes
I can't...
I can't fucking...
I can't do that.
unidentified
No.
jordan holmes
Do you remember how I was angry before?
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
I want to not live in this world.
I genuinely do.
unidentified
This is so difficult without the wine.
jordan holmes
So many fucking people died.
So many people were injured.
This disrupted.
And this is fucking with the heads of everybody in Manchester right now.
Because, of course, what else can you think but...
Where's the next one coming?
Where's the next one coming?
This is fucking with the heads of so many people in Britain.
Because they're now in the middle of a fucking election.
So this kind of nationalistic bullshit is only going to get stronger because of this.
And it's something where you look at that and instead of saying, God damn it, I don't want any of this to happen.
I don't want people to be hurt.
I don't.
Instead, you look at that and say, I want people to be hurt.
I want more people to be hurt.
I want there to be war.
I want there to be blockages.
I want anybody who's a refugee who wants to come in here.
I want them to drown on their way.
And even if they do get here, I want them to be pushed away.
I want more people to.
Because of this dumb fuck.
Who believed in something that is so hard right and so evil that it reminds me of you, fucks!
I am no longer, I swear to God, ISIS is weak tea on the right compared to our goddamn government!
ISIS is a bitch!
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
I fear nothing.
Look, I don't even give a fuck if a goddamn terrorist walked through this fucking door because then I'd at least be like, hey, well, you're not trying to take away my goddamn healthcare.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
You pile of fucking garbage.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Fuck you!
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Un-fucking-believable that you can't for one second, one second, experience a tiny bit of empathy.
unidentified
None.
dan friesen
None.
jordan holmes
Instead, instead of that, you blame...
Parents!
Parents who are once again grieving their fucking children dying.
And Alex, you fucking piece of shit!
Fuck you!
dan friesen
Yeah, totally.
jordan holmes
Wow!
dan friesen
Totally.
And it's not even about creating more...
I mean, creating more hurt that's just a societal element of this, like you described, is absolutely what Alex wants.
But on an even smaller scale, imagine if you're one of those parents and you hear him say something like that.
He specifically wants to hurt them.
jordan holmes
And this isn't even...
Like, this is worse than Sandy Hook.
Or this is worse than the Seth Rich bullshit that Hannity's spouting.
dan friesen
Sure.
Totally.
Way worse.
jordan holmes
Where it's instead of, like, at least there you're not actively blaming the parents for being the cause of their children's death.
dan friesen
Well, he's going to hide behind the idea that, well, at least some of them are into globalism, and that makes them complicit.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
But that's a fucking cowardly dodge.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
No, that's fucking bullshit.
dan friesen
And the second thing is, the reason that we boiled the water the way we did...
If you really want to break down what he's afraid of, it's not a bomb.
It's not any of that stuff.
It has to do with his white identity.
That's what he's afraid of.
He's afraid of these people coming in who aren't like him.
He's afraid of being victimized by people who aren't white.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
That's what it is.
dan friesen
He has no leg to stand on other than...
jordan holmes
Did you read the transcript of the New Orleans mayor speech?
dan friesen
I did not.
jordan holmes
He gave a perfect speech on how the monuments were taken down.
dan friesen
The Confederate monuments.
jordan holmes
Yeah, and through it all he just acknowledged from start to finish just how those monuments were placed up there by people who were trying.
To whitewash history.
And every time you walked by those monuments, if you were black, if you were from a different country, if you weren't a white supremacist, there is always that fucking weight.
That weight of these monuments represent how a large part of this culture hates us.
And fought a war trying to make sure that we were enslaved.
And he gave a perfect speech on it.
And that is exactly what is beautiful about America is.
And in his speech, again, the guy basically points out New Orleans is everybody.
New Orleans is the truest melting pot that America has.
dan friesen
Yeah, because then you can drink outside.
Everyone loves that.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Well, and the only reason is, again, because of the slave trade.
Because everybody was there.
Because Creoles were there.
Because black people were there.
Because that huge seaport brought everybody.
dan friesen
Let's say you create an awesome culture.
jordan holmes
And everything came together.
And it's beautiful.
And that is the thing that they hate the most.
It really is.
Because it's not solely theirs.
You have to share it.
That's the issue with Alex.
dan friesen
Well, because sharing leads to socialism, which leads to communism, which leads to complete oppression, blah, blah, blah.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Yep!
dan friesen
So, I guess my message would be...
I mean, I have a couple-fold message from this episode.
The first is, obviously, don't tell people to actually listen to your show.
Because...
They will find out what you cover.
jordan holmes
That's the worst thing you could do.
dan friesen
They'll find out what you cover and...
It's bad.
That's why we do this show.
But secondarily, what you need to do when you get press credentials is just tell people to suck it.
Just gloat.
You're supposed to be trolling people.
This isn't going to work.
You're not a legitimate news organization.
Way too much baggage.
You can't report a story.
This Comey thing's a zero.
All you've got are lies.
jordan holmes
And Hillary Clinton, no matter how much they keep pushing that narrative, fuck them.
We're done.
Hillary already lost.
You can't still be running a campaign against Hillary Clinton while trying to govern the fucking country.
dan friesen
She sold the uranium to the Russians.
jordan holmes
It's just maddening.
It's just maddening.
God damn it, Dan.
dan friesen
Sorry.
jordan holmes
God damn you.
dan friesen
Sorry.
jordan holmes
This is why we need the wine, Dan!
unidentified
We do.
dan friesen
Look, we'll figure it out.
We'll be better in the future.
Look, I know that was a little much there at the end.
jordan holmes
I can't.
I can't.
I know.
I can't.
I can't fucking deal with that.
dan friesen
I know.
jordan holmes
How do you listen to that and not see the true cruelty?
Like, I just don't understand that instinct towards...
True cruelty.
Like, there's no empathy at all.
There is only...
I want to inflict more pain on these people.
unidentified
Mm-hmm.
jordan holmes
Why?
dan friesen
And I want to shame them for their victimhood.
jordan holmes
Why would you want to...
And they are victims!
They're literal victims!
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
You can't be mad that they're being victims when they were victimized.
dan friesen
You can, because hypothetically, some of them are into open borders, which I don't think you could even specifically prove.
I don't know.
jordan holmes
Who cares?
Who the fuck cares why you're saying this shit?
dan friesen
That's another piece.
That's another very important piece.
jordan holmes
It's just a guy who just, like, I can't think of anything other than the amount of pain he is feeling right now.
dan friesen
Totally.
jordan holmes
And how he just wants every single other person to feel exactly, well, more pain than him.
He wants to experience the least amount of pain right now.
dan friesen
And therefore, other people must feel more.
jordan holmes
Because he's not going to feel better by doing good.
unidentified
No.
jordan holmes
He has to feel better by making everybody else feel worse.
dan friesen
Look, I don't know.
He sucks.
That's the bottom line.
There's no way around it.
I wish I had more clips.
jordan holmes
Edit that part out.
dan friesen
Okay, so we're still figuring out exactly how this podcast is going to go without our old friend Wine.
But like we said, we'll get our sea legs.
We'll figure out a rhythm without the libations.
We'll be back soon.
But until then, you can find us at knowledgefight.com.
jordan holmes
If you want to follow us on Twitter, we're at knowledge underscore fight.
dan friesen
Correct.
If you want to donate to the show, you can become a policy wonk.
Or if you give us $10 a month on that level, we will time travel to the past and do an episode all about it.
jordan holmes
Yeah, absolutely.
dan friesen
All about the day that you choose.
jordan holmes
And if you want, like...
Really fucking...
The episode that we just did about Corsi and how he explicitly said he wants to run a disinformation campaign.
If you're going to be mad about him having White House press credentials, don't be mad because he's from InfoWars.
That's bullshit on its face.
Be mad because this man...
Actually believes that lying to you is going to be the best way to solve the problems.
This is a guy who is utterly and completely uninterested in truth.
dan friesen
No, create a false reality.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
Well, not even that.
He's very interested in...
I mean, you're absolutely right.
I was talking about what I was saying.
dan friesen
Oh.
jordan holmes
He's very interested in the truth and making sure no one knows it but him.
dan friesen
Right, right.
Yeah, because that gives you power.
jordan holmes
Yeah, exactly.
Secrets and secrets and secrets.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Without wine, the mood is really fuck this guy.
This podcast might turn more angry.
jordan holmes
I know.
I managed to keep my temper under control.
dan friesen
Totally.
jordan holmes
So far.
unidentified
Totally.
jordan holmes
I felt very...
dan friesen
I wasn't scared of you at all.
jordan holmes
I definitely didn't have spit flying from my goddamn lips all over your beard.
dan friesen
I'm going to have to get a new mic screen.
But hey, you know what?
There's one piece of good news mixed in with all this bad.
jordan holmes
What good news is that?
dan friesen
Rappaport still lives!
alex jones
Andy in Kansas, you're on the air.
Thanks for holding.
unidentified
Hello, Alex.
I'm a first-time caller.
I'm a huge fan.
I love your work.
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