Today Dan tells Jordan about a weird interview with Jerome Corsi on The Alex Jones Show. Topics include: How far off the rails can propaganda campaigns go? Does Jordan think that Alex is an unaware propagandist? Does Jerome Corsi know how to pronounce meme? Are dicks shrinking in the West?
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| Andy in Kansas, you're on the air. | ||
| Thanks for holding. | ||
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Hello, Alex. | |
| I'm a first-time caller. | ||
| I'm a huge fan. | ||
| I love your work. | ||
| I love you. | ||
| Hey, welcome back to Knowledge Fight. | ||
| I'm Dan. | ||
| I'm Jordan. | ||
| And a happy Friday to you and yours. | ||
| This is a podcast where a couple dudes like to sit down. | ||
| Nope, cut it! | ||
| Cut it! | ||
| What do you do? | ||
| I wished everyone a Happy Friday and completely lost it. | ||
| How did you lose the threat that fast? | ||
| Don't know. | ||
| That was bad. | ||
| I have no idea. | ||
| Have you ever wished anybody a Happy Friday before? | ||
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Never. | |
| This is a very weird feeling for me. | ||
| Never. | ||
| I don't know why I did. | ||
| Anyway, Happy Friday. | ||
| Happy Friday to you, too. | ||
| We like to sit down and drink red wine and talk a little bit about Alex Jones and what he is up to. | ||
| That is our stated mission. | ||
| Now, in order to make it entertaining so people don't just get bored by... | ||
| You know, Alex Jones talk. | ||
| Which is boring. | ||
| Is there like a reason that it's you and me? | ||
| Yeah, see, I'm an expert in Alex Jones. | ||
| Oh, that's crazy, because I don't know anything about Alex Jones. | ||
| There is what makes this dynamic work. | ||
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Also, it's a happy Friday forever. | |
| Let's just jump to our out-of-context drop. | ||
| This one is coming to us from deep in the past. | ||
| In 2015, I found this clip, and it's hilarious. | ||
| They just add it to the plastic linings and it's bye-bye genitalia. | ||
| Male genitalia across the board are shrinking in the West. | ||
| Doesn't matter what color you are. | ||
| Doesn't matter what genetic background. | ||
| The sperm counts are down almost 90%. | ||
| The genitals are shrinking. | ||
| That's right. | ||
| Across the board, dicks are shrinking. | ||
| Dicks are shrinking. | ||
| You know what you gotta do. | ||
| Super male vitality. | ||
| It's the only way to counteract these estrogen mimickers that they put in plastics. | ||
| Oh, that's what happens. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| In plastics. | ||
| That's where it comes from. | ||
| So I've mentioned that I'm going back and doing an in-depth investigation and research into Alex's past. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| And sometimes episodes will not end up meriting an entire episode of our show, but something like that gets said. | ||
| Yeah, that's gotta happen. | ||
| We've gotta tell the people. | ||
| Dicks are shrinking. | ||
| Everybody needs to know this. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| All across the West. | ||
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What? | |
| Who's... | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Where's he getting that info from? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Dick doctors? | ||
| Dick doctors? | ||
| Anyway, speaking of info, it is... | ||
| Dick doctors, private eye. | ||
| Dick doctor, private dick. | ||
| Oh, easy. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So we've got to start this show off with a slight correction. | ||
| On our last episode, we talked about Alex claiming that there were monkeys. | ||
| With wires in their head getting brainwashed with televisions. | ||
| And we mistook it for the Screaming Monkey. | ||
| A wonderful bar. | ||
| We made fun of the idea that he's saying that there's all this stuff going on in Bastrop, Texas. | ||
| And I'll cop to it. | ||
| I did not research as in-depth as I probably should have on this topic. | ||
| I googled Bastrop monkey tests or monkey trials and that sort of thing with monkey in the title and everything that came up. | ||
| was nothing or this bar. | ||
| A listener pointed out that there is animal testing that has gone on in Bastrop through the University of Texas, and I've looked into it a bit, and it is a real thing. | ||
| There were chimpanzees and other monkeys that had tests done on there. | ||
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Chimpanzees or apes. | |
| Right, but still. | ||
| Still, we're slightly wrong. | ||
| But I looked into it. | ||
| I can see no evidence of the sort of shit he's talking about. | ||
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Okay. | |
| But we were wrong to clown on it like we did because there was actual animal testing going on. | ||
| Well, there we go. | ||
| So it's sort of a middle of the road. | ||
| I assume it was all about makeup. | ||
| No. | ||
| It's complicated. | ||
| There was, like, vaccine research and stuff like that that was being done. | ||
| Oh, well, that's... | ||
| Problem solved. | ||
| Evil. | ||
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Evil. | |
| We all know vaccines cause monkey autism. | ||
| It's true. | ||
| That's just a true fact. | ||
| The reality, too, though, is that our country has a really bad track record with animal testing, and so the idea that something fucked up was going on there isn't unbelievable, but what Alex is describing is. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| So it's like, hey, we were wrong. | ||
| We shouldn't have clowned. | ||
| Maybe. | ||
| We should have clowned. | ||
| It was funny. | ||
| We should have clowned at least a little bit. | ||
| Yeah, but at the end of the day, you know, there's a little bit of truth underneath his lies, and we can all agree that based on the fact that there was monkey research being done there, the name of that tiki bar is really shitty. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So we hypothesize that it was... | ||
| Could they hear it? | ||
| We hypothesize that it was an Area 51 possible kind of thing with a joke bar name. | ||
| Turns out that is the case. | ||
| Anyway. | ||
| Sorry we didn't dig deeper. | ||
| Who cares? | ||
| That's not a great apology. | ||
| But this isn't really an apology. | ||
| Grandma, sorry I ran over your foot. | ||
| This isn't really an apology. | ||
| It's a clarification more than anything else. | ||
| You had diabetes, you were going to lose that foot anyways. | ||
| Right, so why not have me take it? | ||
| So I want to get to today, our episode that we're going to be talking about, is something that happened on the Wednesday show, which is May 17th. | ||
| There was a continuation of the rest of the week, which up till that point had been mostly bro-down time between Roger Stone and Alex Jones, and then once Roger Stone left, Mike Cernovich sort of filled in over Skype a bunch, and they just sort of, like, we're awesome! | ||
| Okay! | ||
| We're great! | ||
| Hey! | ||
| I described that on the last show. | ||
| that was sort of the theme of the week. | ||
| And that continued into Wednesday. | ||
| But then towards the third hour of the show, something really, really fucked up happened that will be what we talk about for this episode. | ||
| Okay. | ||
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But because you asked me before the show, and I did tweet out about this a bit, I want to cover what he was doing on Thursday. | |
| Today, as we record this, on Thursday, Alex Jones spent the entire show, pretty much the entire show, just talking about how Comey is busted. | ||
| Jim Comey, dead to rights, busted. | ||
| For what? | ||
| So as he would say, as Alex would tell it, Comey wrote this memo that has been leaked, where people have discussed this memo, that President Trump, which is... | ||
| It's hard to get those words out. | ||
| Yeah, let's just not worry about those. | ||
| Had asked him, or suggested, that he should move on from the Flynn investigation. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| And Comey... | ||
| Obstruction of justice. | ||
| Comey wrote a memo about that, and then later, he was in front of the Senate, and he was being questioned, and they asked him a question, and in his answer, he said that people had not asked him to stop his investigation. | ||
| He hadn't been pressured. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Now, here's the important thing. | ||
| If that was all the information, Alex would have an interesting thing to go on here. | ||
| Yeah, it would be kind of misleading for him to say, I wasn't pressured, and then now talk about that memo. | ||
| So that kind of invalidates the memo's negative connotations for that. | ||
| Or it's authenticity. | ||
| There's a lot of things that get called into question. | ||
| Or did he perjure himself when he was being investigated? | ||
| The most rational explanation, if the reality isn't what I'm about to explain to you, if Alex's narrative is true, the most rational explanation would be when he's in front of the Senate, he is in the middle of an obstruction of justice case that he's building. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And so he can't comment on it. | ||
| So he would have to answer with a, I can't comment on that, blah, blah, blah. | ||
| But since he says no one has tried to stop the investigation, it's like, oh, that's an indication that no one has. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Now, unfortunately, Alex is using this clip that I'm about to play as his evidence that Comey is busted. | ||
| And I'd like to remind everyone, he played this probably 15 to 20 times on the show on Thursday, and screamed, You're dead, Comey! | ||
| We gotcha! | ||
| We gotcha! | ||
| Did he once say, or perhaps knock on the table, and then say, You busted. | ||
| He didn't. | ||
| Oh, God! | ||
| Then we would have confirmation he was listening to our show. | ||
| Gomi, you busted. | ||
| Yeah, come on! | ||
| How great would that have been? | ||
| If he does that at any point, I will, like, at work, run around in a circle screaming. | ||
| But he does shuffle papers around, as he's known to do. | ||
| But here is the clip, and it is from his testimony in front of the Senate, and maybe you'll immediately be able to tell. | ||
| Why Alex is a fucking liar and he knows it. | ||
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So if the Attorney General or senior officials at the Department of Justice opposes a specific investigation, can they halt that FBI investigation? | |
| In theory, yes. | ||
| Has it happened? | ||
| Not in my experience, because it would be a big deal. | ||
| To tell the FBI to stop doing something without an appropriate purpose. | ||
| Oftentimes, they give us opinions that we don't see a case there, and so you ought to stop investing resources in it. | ||
| But I'm talking about a situation where we were told to stop something for a political reason. | ||
| That would be a very big deal. | ||
| And it was! | ||
| So he says there, and it has not happened in my experience. | ||
| Now let's go back to the beginning really quick and listen to the question that she asks him. | ||
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So if the attorney general or senior officials at the Department of Justice opposes a specific investigation, can they halt that FBI investigation? | |
| The attorney general or people at the Department of Justice. | ||
| Not the president. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| She was specifically asking about Sessions being a dick. | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
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She was like, hey, Sessions being a dick to you? | |
| So now here's the thing. | ||
| That question, he didn't lie. | ||
| As it relates to the Department of Justice. | ||
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Right. | |
| That has nothing to do with what Trump may or may not have done. | ||
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Nope. | |
| Alex knows that. | ||
| He's playing this clip knowing that people are not going to understand what the question Comey was asked is. | ||
| He's a bad propagandist. | ||
| He should have cut that out. | ||
| He should have cut out the question. | ||
| He could have cut out the question, couldn't he? | ||
| What the fuck is he doing? | ||
| It's so obvious he's lying. | ||
| It's insane. | ||
| It's such a desperation move. | ||
| How can you be this bad at the only thing you're good at? | ||
| I think it's because he's been lucky. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He's been lucky and a bunch of really dumb people and bigots have basically created his bedrock, his base. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Much as they have for Trump. | ||
| He's never really had to work all that hard. | ||
| So I think that's pretty much what's going on. | ||
| So anyway, that... | ||
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Excuse me. | |
| Who is it? | ||
| You busted. | ||
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I don't know. | |
| Oh, no! | ||
| I was going to try and come up with a way to pretend that I was the Senate. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| We were doomed from the jump on that one. | ||
| No, no, no, no. | ||
| I'm telling you, we've got to take at least one second city class. | ||
| Let's try it again. | ||
| All right, let's work on our improv skills. | ||
| Who is it? | ||
| This is Alex Jones. | ||
| Alex, how are you? | ||
| See, I was hoping you would be Alex Jones, because then he could have busted himself. | ||
| Wait, so I was supposed to be like, Alex Jones, hey, it's me! | ||
| Alex Jones! | ||
| And then as soon as you say that, two second beat, and then we both say you're busted. | ||
| Here we go, let's try it from the top. | ||
| Alright, alright. | ||
| Who is it? | ||
| This is Alex Jones. | ||
| Oh my god, Alex Jones? | ||
| I'm Alex Jones! | ||
| You busted. | ||
| You're Mr. Q. I couldn't take that serious. | ||
| All right, let's move along. | ||
| What, we're doing three takes of things now? | ||
| Yeah, apparently. | ||
| So let's move along and get to the matters of the day. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| So on Wednesday, he had, like I said, bro downtime. | ||
| Owen Schroyer was in the studio to be a fucking... | ||
| Smarmy asshole. | ||
| Hey, love white dudes just being white dudes congratulating themselves for being white dudes. | ||
| Yeah, oh my god, the dynamic between Cernovich and Owen Schroer is electric. | ||
| It's not. | ||
| Why isn't there any... | ||
| I want there to be some sexual tension between PJW and somebody. | ||
| I don't care. | ||
| He has a girlfriend, man. | ||
| He's a faithful dude. | ||
| Yeah, but come on. | ||
| Owen Troyer needs some love. | ||
| I think that... | ||
| Either that, well, Rob Dew's wife probably needs a good Paul Joseph Watson-ing. | ||
| She's going to tell him to stop taking super mail, though. | ||
| We know that. | ||
| So, on Wednesday, after all that gets done, Jerome Corsi has big news to break. | ||
| Yes, big news. | ||
| The Washington Bureau Chief, Jerome Corsi, has something he really needs to drop into Alex's lap. | ||
| And before he does, Alex makes a weird comparison where he basically says that Trump is a baby. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, at this point, this is so real and so sickening and so painful that I don't have any personal ties to Trump. | ||
| I know he's real. | ||
| He cares about the country. | ||
| He's surrounded by scum. | ||
| It's like watching a baby getting eaten by a hundred rats or something. | ||
| Because we won't empower the president. | ||
| He's like a baby. | ||
| He can't move because he can't do it all himself. | ||
| And the rats are like eating him. | ||
| It's not like a lion being eaten by hyenas. | ||
| It's worse. | ||
| It's a baby. | ||
| The rebirth of America being eaten by these little red-eyed rats. | ||
| And he's just surrounded. | ||
| We need a battle plan. | ||
| So Dr. Corsi was texting me this morning saying, we've got to get a battle plan. | ||
| We've got to get on the offensive. | ||
| And I was like, yeah, battle plan, battle plan. | ||
| So he's writing articles about this. | ||
| This is just so crazy. | ||
| So, yeah, Jerome Corsi's got a battle plan. | ||
| All right. | ||
| To protect Baby Trump. | ||
| To protect Baby Trump from the red-eyed rats that are surrounded. | ||
| I'm way happier with this than any other moniker for Trump. | ||
| Baby Trump? | ||
| Baby Trump. | ||
| He's Baby Boss. | ||
| He's Baby Trump! | ||
| He's the Baby Boss! | ||
| He's the Baby Boss! | ||
| That movie also bombed and became president. | ||
| It became a goof. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So... | ||
| I'm going to just go ahead and lay out in front of you what we're dealing with. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Jerome Corsi comes on to InfoWars and basically describes what InfoWars does. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Now, I'm guessing he does not say, here is what we do at InfoWars. | ||
| He says, here's what the globalists are doing to Trump. | ||
| And basically... | ||
| Piece by piece describes the Infowars modus operandi. | ||
| Now on top of that... | ||
| See, they know their own jobs. | ||
| At least we're aware of that. | ||
| But here's where it gets scary. | ||
| His battle plan is essentially wage a propaganda campaign against these globalists who are using propaganda against us. | ||
| So what happened is... | ||
| They're a propaganda machine, and they're fighting against a counter-propaganda machine, so we're starting a counter-counter-propaganda machine. | ||
| Right. | ||
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Gotcha. | |
| But the thing that's scary about it is, we know damn well that's what they're already doing. | ||
| The idea that they're bringing it out into the open suggests something really nefarious. | ||
| Okay, so they're already doing it, but now they're doing the gambit of telling you what we're doing in order to allow them to ramp it up? | ||
| I think that they're banking on most people who don't like them not hearing this and people who do like them hearing it and then they're in on it now. | ||
| Right. | ||
| So it's like a wink. | ||
| It's like, oh, we can get more people on our side if we're just like, you know, we're up front about like, all right, now what we need to do is force a narrative. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| That sort of thing. | ||
| So now we're recruiting the Info Warriors to be part of our propaganda campaign. | ||
| We're not just going to be a propaganda campaign keeping them believing this bullshit. | ||
| Now they're actively going to spread this bullshit. | ||
| It leads me to believe that audience engagement is down. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's the sort of thing that I'm guessing. | ||
| But also, this was fucking hilarious. | ||
| Later in the show, I didn't clip this out because it doesn't matter, but Alex was on the phone with a caller, and the caller, it was maybe a minute into the call, and he's like, boy, you got some good points. | ||
| I'm gonna give you your own show. | ||
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He just offered a caller a show. | |
| Which I hope he follows this. | ||
| That would be fucking great! | ||
| By the way, we're still waiting for that fucking Daffy Duck. | ||
| That rapper who called in, who Alex offered to give a, like, we're gonna do a, we're gonna do a Patriot music show. | ||
| Oh, that's right! | ||
| Yes! | ||
| Still waiting on that one, Alex. | ||
| Oh, man. | ||
| Daffy Duck! | ||
| I'm starting to think he doesn't follow through with his promises. | ||
| Seems like he doesn't. | ||
| He's not a big fan of that. | ||
| No. | ||
| Did we know if anybody ever won that animation contest? | ||
| From 2014? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I have no idea. | ||
| I want to find that out. | ||
| I can neither confirm nor deny if the animating contest of Liberty has been won. | ||
| To all of the policy wonks, we would like an animation of the animation contest. | ||
| And who may or may not have won it. | ||
| So everybody out there is doing so much already. | ||
| I really appreciate all of them. | ||
| Please don't. | ||
| Make an animation contest. | ||
| So here we go. | ||
| Let's get into it. | ||
| Jerome Corsi is going to lay out some of this, and we'll get to where I... | ||
| I think we'll get to my thesis as this develops. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| As our DC head and Dr. Corsi, what do we do to turn this tie? | ||
| Because it's clear more than ever they are making their run at the president right now. | ||
| Well, Alex, what I'm doing is that the first article is today. | ||
| I mean, I... | ||
| This is something I've been specially trained in, this whole issue of disinformation and propaganda. | ||
| I actually was trained by Edward Bernays, who is the father of public relations, and he wrote the book called Propaganda in the 1930s that was responsible for the Garibald's propaganda and the rise of Nazi Hitler. | ||
| And so, you know, Nazi Germany. | ||
| And what I'm saying is I'm laying out... | ||
| What?! | ||
| The techniques that work and don't work when you're under a disinformation propaganda technique. | ||
| Do you know who's a great guy? | ||
| The guy who trained Goebbels! | ||
| He didn't train Goebbels. | ||
| Or whatever. | ||
| He didn't train Goebbels. | ||
| Goebbels was very specifically and vocally inspired by the work of Edward Bernays. | ||
| Now, do you know about Edward Bernays? | ||
| I do not know about Edward Bernays. | ||
| His uncle was Sigmund Freud. | ||
| But seriously, why? | ||
| I know. | ||
| So fucked up. | ||
| They're calling themselves a news organization. | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| They're saying that everybody else is planning fake news. | ||
| And Corsi just said, we're going to spread disinformation. | ||
| I was trained. | ||
| That's literally fake news! | ||
| I was trained by Edward Bernays. | ||
| I know about these things. | ||
| I'm trained in this. | ||
| This is him trying to say, like, hey, Alex, calm down. | ||
| I got this. | ||
| Let your boy ride. | ||
| That kind of thing. | ||
| Also, another theme that's going to develop is Alex doesn't understand what Jerome Corsi's talking about. | ||
| And secondarily, he's not there to have that conversation. | ||
| You'll get the sense that Alex does not want to be there at all. | ||
| He's dismissive as if he had a super male vitality-laced hamburger in his hand. | ||
| He's just whatever. | ||
| Just waving it off, huh? | ||
| So I want to tell you a little bit about Edward Bernays before we move on. | ||
| Alright. | ||
| His uncle was Sigmund Freud, but something that I found, and I can't confirm this. | ||
| But one of the citations I found said that his double uncle was Sigmund Freud. | ||
| No, no, don't say double uncle. | ||
| So that would be like... | ||
| I don't know what that means. | ||
| So that would be like if you have an uncle and one of your aunts, their husband dies and he marries your aunt. | ||
| So then he's a double uncle. | ||
| That's a double uncle. | ||
| Yeah, I believe that's what... | ||
| Both an uncle and an uncle-in-law. | ||
| Right. | ||
| So, his uncle was Sigmund Freud, and he really... | ||
| His double uncle, Sigmund Freud. | ||
| As best I can tell, really overplayed their relationship. | ||
| I listened to an interview with Edward Bernays' daughter the other day, in preparation for this, and she said that he had no contact with Sigmund Freud after he went back to Vienna. | ||
| After Freud went back to Vienna. | ||
| Okay, okay. | ||
| So, it's dubious how much of that was actually in itself a PR campaign. | ||
| But be that as it may, he was clearly inspired by the works of Freud. | ||
| If you're a propaganda master, how can you believe anything you say? | ||
| Totally. | ||
| There's no part of what you say that I can ever trust if you spread propaganda. | ||
| Also, his daughter was saying that throughout her whole life, he specifically made her feel stupid and always would say that she was stupid, which kind of fits into his worldview. | ||
| Edward Bernays believed, kind of his whole thing, was that people as a whole are really stupid and they live like pack animals. | ||
| And they're just herds that need to be ushered in different directions. | ||
| I'm agreeing with him so far. | ||
| There's a select group of really intelligent people who are the real power in the world who influence them for their own good. | ||
| Globalists. | ||
| No, basically. | ||
| Oh, for the people's own good. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So he's arguing for a benevolent... | ||
| Oligarchy. | ||
| Somewhat. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Somewhat. | ||
| But it's not really even an oligarchy, because it is people like him who are advertisers and tastemakers and stuff like that. | ||
| So his technique is that he would... | ||
| And Nazi makers. | ||
| Well, yeah, that's a problem we're going to get to. | ||
| The other problem is that I've read propaganda. | ||
| I've read his book, and he's decidedly pro-propaganda. | ||
| He's not against it. | ||
| And he wasn't throughout his life. | ||
| He felt a little bit bad. | ||
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Great! | |
| Yeah! | ||
| No, no, no! | ||
| A little bit bad! | ||
| Oh, I didn't realize that this could be a tool used for evil! | ||
| He did, in a lot of his public statements, seem oblivious of the idea that, like, oh, yeah, people are gonna do bad shit with this. | ||
| Because he basically codified and created the art of public relations and advertising. | ||
| But what he would do is he... | ||
| His main contribution, because I never studied this in college or anything, but I've read some books on him and read his own books, and his thing is he would take people's wants and try and transform them into needs. | ||
| And how you would do that is by over-glamorizing something. | ||
| Like, attaching celebrities to a product. | ||
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Right. | |
| That sort of thing. | ||
| He pioneered that sort of thing. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And then on top of that, he turned politics into a little bit of that kind of shell game, too, because he'd have celebrities hang out with politicians. | ||
| It would make it appear that there was this entwined elite class. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| What have you? | ||
| But what he's most famous for is getting women to smoke. | ||
| Do you know anything about this? | ||
| Was this the one where it was like a ton of, like, it was medicinal, you should do it while you're pregnant, you should do it while you're vacuuming, was it that one? | ||
| It's not. | ||
| So he started working for the American Tobacco Company, and Bernays was given the objective of increasing Lucky Strike sales among women, who for the most part had formerly avoided smoking. | ||
| The first strategy was to persuade women to smoke cigarettes instead of eating. | ||
| Bernays began by promoting the ideal of thinness itself, using photographers, artists, newspapers, and magazines to promote the special beauty of thin women. | ||
| Medical authorities were found to promote the choice of cigarettes. | ||
| That, I mean... | ||
| When you're serving your husband. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Who smokes. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| You want to make sure that you've got a few packs of Lucky Strikes on you at any point in time. | ||
| Lucky Strike means fine tobacco. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Anyway, that's kind of shitty. | ||
| But again, it is this unevolved 1920s, so you want to attack it from a modern, evolved viewpoint. | ||
| But back then, it was just sort of like... | ||
| It was the Wild West. | ||
| Everybody was just trying to make a buck off of the deaths of millions. | ||
| It's still shockingly horrible, though. | ||
| Okay, here's my first plan. | ||
| Thinness. | ||
| Here's my first plan. | ||
| Ruin women's lives. | ||
| Here's my second plan. | ||
| Make sure they die. | ||
| That worked a bit. | ||
| But then there was still a taboo about women smoking in public. | ||
| So he had to create a whole new thing in order to make it okay for women to smoke in public. | ||
| So he got some actresses and he had them join the 1929 Easter Day Parade. | ||
| And what he did is he told a bunch of reporters and news people there that suffragettes were going to start smoking freedom torches as a symbol of their empowerment. | ||
| And so these reporters all saw these paid plants. | ||
| In the parade, start smoking walking through the parade, and it became this coupling of women's empowerment with smoking. | ||
| And all of a sudden, it was cool for women to smoke, and it was okay for them to do it in public. | ||
| It worked amazingly. | ||
| He's an evil genius. | ||
| He totally is. | ||
| He's an evil genius. | ||
| So this created a new problem, though. | ||
| Oh, just one? | ||
| Beyond cancer. | ||
| Just one problem? | ||
| There was only one problem created by this? | ||
| No, there was an interesting problem, though. | ||
| And that is that Lucky Strike, their packaging was green and red. | ||
| And green was a very unfashionable color. | ||
| So women didn't want to smoke Lucky Strikes, they smoked other brands. | ||
| Because green packaging would clash with their attire, and they just didn't want to do it. | ||
| So now Bernays had to figure out what to do about this. | ||
| So what he did was he threw this thing called the green ball, where he enlisted tons of socialites and had them all wear green dresses. | ||
| Manufacturers and retails of clothing and accessories were advised of the excitement growing around the color green. | ||
| Intellectuals were enlisted to give highbrow talks on the theme of green. | ||
| Before the ball had actually taken place, newspapers and magazines, encouraged in various ways by Bernays'office, had latched onto the idea that green was all the rage. | ||
| And all of a sudden, everything will People started buying Lucky Strikes. | ||
| Women were smoking in public. | ||
| Everything was great. | ||
| So now I'm completely on his side. | ||
| Everybody's dumb. | ||
| They're pack animals. | ||
| Fucking... | ||
| This is awful. | ||
| Is anything real? | ||
| No, but this is going to be a harsh rollercoaster ride for you. | ||
| Why do I do any of the things I do? | ||
| Why do you do this show? | ||
| I question all of my... | ||
| What am I doing here? | ||
| Why am I wearing clothes, Dan? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Is it because I'm a pack animal? | ||
| It's probably because Bernays did like 60 years ago. | ||
| You know who's really fighting the good fight against propaganda? | ||
| The Unabomber. | ||
| Yeah, well, some truth to that. | ||
| So, that was kind of like a fascinating, competent story of Edward Bernays. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Unfortunately, as we mentioned, he also inspired Goebbels. | ||
| And the Nazi propaganda campaign was a huge part of it being able to succeed. | ||
| Because without the propaganda, there's a real good chance that it certainly wouldn't have gotten as bad as it did. | ||
| The power wouldn't have taken hold. | ||
| Well, and he was really smart to make tons of pro-Nazi movies and all of that shit right there. | ||
| Like, that is a brilliant idea to do that. | ||
| And then he had a shit ton of critics, I'm sure, give them very positive reviews. | ||
| So that would influence people to think it's a great movie. | ||
| Tastemakers. | ||
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| And then I'm sure he, at the very least, beat a woman to death to make sure she started smoking. | ||
| That's what Goebbels did, right? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| So, here's something that's a little bit more direct about Bernays. | ||
| Because it's hard to blame him for the Holocaust. | ||
| Because people were just inspired by him that did it. | ||
| In 1940, the United Fruit Company hired Bernays to try and get bananas to be popular in America. | ||
| They were seen as a really weird exotic fruit. | ||
| So he tried things... | ||
| They are much more popular now since everybody's dick is shrinking, so we gotta make it a lot better for us. | ||
| Yeah, absolutely. | ||
| That is 100% what's going on. | ||
| Yeah, that's 100%. | ||
| So he tried a bunch of his normal tricks. | ||
| Like placing bananas in prominent places and ads and in public and stuff like that. | ||
| Holding the banana ball. | ||
| He tried to get celebrities to get on board a yellow ball. | ||
| He didn't do a yellow ball. | ||
| Well, it would clash with the green. | ||
| It wasn't quite working. | ||
| There was some progress being made, making them cool, but it wasn't what they needed. | ||
| So Bernays also argued that United Fruit needed to put a positive spin on the banana-growing countries themselves. | ||
| And for this purpose, he created a front group called the Middle American Information Bureau, which supplied information to journalists and academics. | ||
| He had no expertise in Middle America. | ||
| He had no reason to do this. | ||
| That's pretty fucked up. | ||
| In 1948, getting paid upwards of $100,000 a year, Bernays worked on the national press and successfully drummed up coverage of Guatemala's communist menace. | ||
| He argued that everyone needed to act to protect business interests in Latin America. | ||
| Because at the time, Guatemala was... | ||
| He's the reason that Guatemala became a banana republic? | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| He's the reason... | ||
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Totally. | |
| ...that Guatemala became a banana republic? | ||
| Let me get through the story, because our listeners probably don't know. | ||
| It's him! | ||
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It's him! | |
| Yeah, and it's incredibly direct. | ||
| He did it! | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| So... | ||
| This isn't 1920s Bernays. | ||
| This is post-Holocaust Bernays causing a Holocaust! | ||
| Totally. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So in... | ||
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| Per Brene's strategy, United Fruit distributed favorable articles and an anonymous report on Guatemala to every member of Congress and to national opinion molders. | ||
| They also published a weekly Guatemala newsletter and sent it to 250 journalists, some of whom used it as a source for their reporting. | ||
| In June 1954, the U.S. Central Intelligence Agency affected a coup d 'etat named Operation PB Success. | ||
| The CIA backed a minimal military force fronted by Carlos Castillo Armas with the psychological warfare campaign to portray military defeat as a foregone conclusion. | ||
| Iraq Iraq Iraq the entire the entire the entire I know the entire I get it the entire lead-up to it too Bernays was heavily involved with these publications and helping out with disseminating stuff to journalists. | ||
| He gave people tours of Guatemala, politicians and journalists alike, and all that in the ramp up to this. | ||
| He was heavily involved. | ||
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And this is to fucking sell bananas. | |
| And he was getting paid $100,000 a year, which is a ton of money back then. | ||
| So as soon as Castillo Armas took power, he began to jail his opponents, killing many. | ||
| Historians estimate the number of agricultural workers he killed to be in the thousands. | ||
| Just immediately, thousands. | ||
| All political parties, unions, and peasant organizations were outlawed. | ||
| He outlawed voting by illiterate people, which made up two-thirds of Guatemala's population, and then he annulled the Constitution and wrote a new one. | ||
| There were tons of attempted coups until they all failed, but then he was assassinated in 1957. | ||
| Elections were held following Castillo Armas'death, in which the centrist Ortiz Passarelli won a plurality. | ||
| However, supporters of Miguel DeGorias Fuentes, who had been a candidate in the election, rioted, after which God damn it! | ||
| Degorius Fuentes won this election by a comfortable margin, and soon afterward... | ||
| Who would have guessed? | ||
| Soon afterward... | ||
| Who would have guessed that he would have won an election after the army invalidated the previous one? | ||
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Totally. | |
| Because they didn't like the guy who won. | ||
| Crazy that the guy that they liked won... | ||
| He won! | ||
| Soon afterward, he declared a state of siege and seized power. | ||
| Historian Nick Colather has stated that by overthrowing Arbenes, the former leader of Guatemala, the CIA ended up undermining its own initial goal of a stable Guatemalan government. | ||
| Historian Stephen Streeter has stated that while the U.S. achieved certain strategic goals by installing the malleable Castillo Armas as president, it did so at the cost of Guatemala's democratic institutions. | ||
| I'm guessing the CIA learned their lesson and never did that again. | ||
| Here is the worst sentence of this whole thing. | ||
| The rolling back of the progressive policies in the previous civilian governments resulted in a series of leftist insurgencies in the countryside beginning in 1960. | ||
| This triggered a 36-year Guatemalan civil war between the U.S.-backed military government Of Guatemala and the leftist insurgencies that frequently had a large degree of popular support. | ||
| The Civil War ran from 1960 to 1996, costing the lives of 200,000 civilians. | ||
| During the Civil War, though atrocities against civilians were committed by both sides, 93% of these violations were committed by the United States-backed military, including a genocidal scorched earth campaign against the indigenous Maya population in the 80s. | ||
| Hey, you know what's great? | ||
| We're the good guys. | ||
| Totally. | ||
| We're the good guys. | ||
| We're promoting democracy around the world. | ||
| That's what America does. | ||
| I hate it whenever people... | ||
| Free market prosperity. | ||
| I hate it whenever people, you know, say that dictators are fucking... | ||
| God damn it, we're so evil. | ||
| I know, it's dark. | ||
| We're so evil. | ||
| It's dark. | ||
| But the reason I went into all that detail and wanted to explain the literal 35, what is it, 36 year aftermath of this? | ||
| It was part of a propaganda campaign put on by- For bananas. | ||
| For bananas. | ||
| For bananas. | ||
| Orchestrated by Edward Bernays that caused this kind of massive fallout. | ||
| Now, at the same time, we can't relitigate history and know what would have happened if they hadn't done this, but it definitely wouldn't have been this. | ||
| No. | ||
| There was trouble in Guatemala before, but it wasn't nearly this severe. | ||
| They had institutions in place. | ||
| I can't think of any other situation where that has occurred. | ||
| I'm sure that most of the Middle East has stayed very popular without our interference. | ||
| I'm sure that we've never overthrown the Iranian government and installed the fucking Ayatollahs and took a liberal society and turned it into a religious theocracy. | ||
| I'm sure we've never demolished a government and caused another civil war that's been raging on for, what, 20 years now? | ||
| Forever now? | ||
| I'm sure we've never created terrorist fucking groups that are causing all kinds of shit around the world. | ||
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I would hate it if America did that shit! | |
| Get this. | ||
| In 1973, Edward Bernays was hired to try and make kumquats popular. | ||
| This is what happened in Iran. | ||
| I feel like he's not going to be able to do that. | ||
| I'm just making that one up. | ||
| You picked the funniest of the fruits. | ||
| I don't know if kumquats are indigenous to Iran. | ||
| But be that as it may, my point is that his tricks that he uses are generally for nefarious reasons. | ||
| They're used... | ||
| To bad goals, propagandistically. | ||
| Right, so he's a psychopath. | ||
| And even himself, he makes the argument that like, oh yeah, what I do is ethically neutral. | ||
| One of his most famous arguments about it was that there was, I can't remember her name, but there was this famous woman in the 50s who cut her hair really short, and then it became popular for women to have really short hair. | ||
| So his example was, does it make a difference if I influenced her to do that, or if she did it on her own? | ||
| The end result is that women get short hair, whatever. | ||
| Who cares if it was propaganda or not? | ||
| Which is... | ||
| Right, so his argument is that propaganda is just a controlled fad. | ||
| Right. | ||
| That kills 200,000 civilians in 36 years in Guatemala. | ||
| Yeah, but this is true. | ||
| Every year... | ||
| Hundreds of thousands of women die because their hair is too short. | ||
| Did you not know that? | ||
| I didn't know that. | ||
| Short hair causes heart disease. | ||
| So the other thing that he says that makes this propaganda ethically neutral is that in his conception of the world, there's all these people who are being influenced, and then what the world would turn into in this essentially utopian state is... | ||
| Good propaganda forces doing battle with evil propaganda forces. | ||
| Yes, that is the utopian state. | ||
| Right, where he's just like, yeah, so everyone would just sort of mindlessly go about their lives, and then these two competing forces of liars would try and get them to do things. | ||
| Like, oh, great. | ||
| I'm really glad that that... | ||
| Man, he is so right. | ||
| In the most evil of ways. | ||
| Like, that is kind of what we're living in right now. | ||
| Two competing propaganda campaigns. | ||
| Totally. | ||
| He is an incredibly smart dude, but his version of how things should be... | ||
| That's not a win. | ||
| No, no. | ||
| So that's the guy who trained Jerome Corsi. | ||
| Sweet. | ||
| I have no evidence of that. | ||
| Like, I can't find any degrees or anything that would match up. | ||
| But he did get into teaching later in his life. | ||
| How old is Corsi? | ||
| Corsi's like 70, so their timeline does match up. | ||
| That does make it possible. | ||
| I believe Edward Bernays died in 1995 or something like that. | ||
| Right, right. | ||
| One year before the end of the Civil War he caused. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Sweet. | ||
| He was like 103, too. | ||
| He made it. | ||
| Well, yeah, he sucked the blood of every Guatemalan child that died. | ||
| Right. | ||
| I'm not gonna say that. | ||
| That sounds too Alex Jones-y, and I feel very influenced by that. | ||
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Except he killed hundreds of thousands of people! | |
| He's directly responsible for a lot of really fucked up stuff. | ||
| But he also... | ||
| And he's indirectly responsible for the most fucked up stuff. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He's a really interesting dude, though, if you look into him. | ||
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Because... | |
| It's... | ||
| It's hard to... | ||
| It's hard to say if he understood the power he was messing with. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| It's difficult to know if he had any conception of the techniques that he was laying out. | ||
| Like, how much damage they would do to the world. | ||
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Right. | |
| If you just consider advertising and how much influence he's had on people feeling like they need to buy things they don't need. | ||
| McDonald's is everywhere. | ||
| And it's also, you know, a lot of this stuff is kind of inevitable. | ||
| Someone would have figured this out eventually if he hadn't. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| But we live in our timeline and he did it, so fuck him. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| No, well, Oppenheimer was so wrong. | ||
| How so? | ||
| When he said, I am become death destroyer of worlds. | ||
| Fucking Bernays is single-handedly responsible for more deaths than the nuclear bomb. | ||
| Yeah, probably. | ||
| Probably between cancer and all the coups. | ||
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Yeah, yeah! | |
| This is all his fault. | ||
| The fact that I'm smoking a cigarette right now, probably his fault, because I saw pictures of cool women smoking when I was younger, and I was like, I want to be cool like them. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Well, I was a big fan of Casablanca, so... | ||
| Frankly, I don't give a damn. | ||
| Is that the right movie? | ||
| That's gone with the wind. | ||
| There is smoking in that, too. | ||
| Let's just call it. | ||
| Let's just call it. | ||
| You're good. | ||
| That's a push. | ||
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Yeah, yeah. | |
| We'll call that one even. | ||
| Let's get back to Jerome Corsi. | ||
| He's going to lay out what his plan that he wants to suggest for Trump is. | ||
| This has been studied. | ||
| There's rules. | ||
| And if Trump follows these rules, he's going to win. | ||
| Now, the first rule, what I wrote up today... | ||
| Is that the idea is you create a false narrative, a mem. | ||
| And this mem is Russian collusion. | ||
| And you just keep propping that lie up. | ||
| Yes, and there's no evidence for it, okay? | ||
| We've had repeated statements from Senator Feinstein. | ||
| He goes on to, like, name more senators that have said varying degrees of... | ||
| There's no unclassified information that shows collusion. | ||
| That means there's no information that shows collusion. | ||
| They mischaracterize all these statements. | ||
| But at the same time, just going back to the analysis of they're just saying what they do, they're saying that you create a false narrative. | ||
| You create a false reality or a meme, which is a meme, but he's an old man. | ||
| We'll give him a pass. | ||
| A mem. | ||
| InfoWars, all they do is they have created this false narrative that has no evidence backing it up. | ||
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Yep. | |
| The entire idea of globalists are behind everything. | ||
| They're trying to poison you. | ||
| I've talked to doctors and done some research into this, even the fluoride idea, and it's murky at best. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| The idea that fluoride does really terrible things to you. | ||
| Just vaccines. | ||
| Just vaccines. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Their propaganda campaign has also killed people. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| But be that as it may, they're saying that this Russian thing is a false reality that has been created and they prop it up with lies and a lack of truth, lack of proof. | ||
| That is InfoWars' entire game plan. | ||
| Every single thing that we can come up with that they talk about, George Soros is a Nazi collaborator, any of the things. | ||
| Any of the things they say is pieces. | ||
| Of their false reality. | ||
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Right. | |
| So this is externalization. | ||
| This is projection. | ||
| This is insane. | ||
| So, you can, like, of course he doesn't know that they're already doing this? | ||
| Do you really think he doesn't know? | ||
| No, he absolutely knows. | ||
| Like, what would he, like, here's how bad it is. | ||
| What would their new false reality be? | ||
| We'll get to that. | ||
| But, like, he does know for sure. | ||
| He knows. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And I think that Corsi is a little bit smarter than Alex. | ||
| He's seen a lot more. | ||
| He's personally torpedoed people with propaganda campaigns. | ||
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Oh, goddammit. | |
| So he knows. | ||
| He knows. | ||
| And I think he sees how serious the reality of the Russian situation is. | ||
| Right. | ||
| I think he sees, oh shit, they're convening grand juries. | ||
| Oh shit. | ||
| The special prosecutor, uh, is an ally of Comey's. | ||
| Right. | ||
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They had a great relationship in the FBI. | |
| The idea that he's not going to be fair about the evidence is, is absurd. | ||
| I think that that is what's going on. | ||
| This is... | ||
| Fucking desperation measures. | ||
| They're trying to start a civil war. | ||
| Um, no. | ||
| That's the endgame of that propaganda campaign. | ||
| There's no other way that that propaganda campaign goes. | ||
| We'll get to it. | ||
| Because he does actually spell it out. | ||
| And I'll... | ||
| It's dumb. | ||
| Yeah, but that's not a thing. | ||
| Just like Bernays... | ||
| All he wanted was to sell bananas, and he caused a 30-year civil war. | ||
| All this guy wants is to support Trump, and all Trump wants is tax cuts for the rich. | ||
| That's not all Trump wants. | ||
| Well, Trump wants... | ||
| What else does Trump want? | ||
| Oh, himself to be more rich and more famous. | ||
| He wants to be the king. | ||
| Fine. | ||
| Paul Ryan is... | ||
| Paul Ryan exists. | ||
| But they don't support Paul Ryan. | ||
| Only to create tax cuts. | ||
| And Forrest doesn't support Paul Ryan. | ||
| Yeah, they do. | ||
| No, they don't. | ||
| They're an arm of the right-wing propaganda machine. | ||
| No, no, no, no, no. | ||
| And that is actually an important thing that we need to clarify. | ||
| I mean, inadvertently. | ||
| Right. | ||
| They're coincidentally that right now. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| But this is actually something we've gotten a little bit off base about, and I want to clarify. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Like, just because the world is so fucked up now and we're in an endless news cycle, it kind of gets to a point where we talk a lot about Trump and we talk a lot about Paul Ryan being an asshole and we could talk about Chaffetz resigning today. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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All this shit. | |
| We could. | ||
| And we should. | ||
| In some fashion or another. | ||
| But at the end of the day, this podcast is about Infowars and Alex Jones. | ||
| Right. | ||
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And they're not really Republicans. | |
| They hate Paul Ryan because he takes money from George Soros and they think he's a Alex Jones, to his credit... | ||
| Hated George Bush, too. | ||
| So, like, he has a... | ||
| not consistent, but at least he has a philosophy where he's not strictly a Republican. | ||
| He is other. | ||
| And that's the problem that I want to address more. | ||
| I need this podcast to be about... | ||
| Look, if Trump gets fucking impeached, we still have the problem on our hands that we have right now. | ||
| And that is that Alex Jones and Infowars... | ||
| is a media arm of a really dangerous movement. | ||
| Now, they can call it patriots. | ||
| They can call it we just want to bring back our country or whatever. | ||
| Proud Boys. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| That's not what they're doing. | ||
| That's code. | ||
| There is really dangerous, bigoted nationalism that's going all over the world. | ||
| It's all over the place. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And we can see it. | ||
| We can see it through the farages of the world. | ||
| We can see it through Le Pen. | ||
| We can see it in Putin. | ||
| We can see it in... | ||
| Trump and his weird tendrils here. | ||
| The rebel media, the info wars. | ||
| And that's who we're against. | ||
| We're not against the Republicans, even though we actually are also. | ||
| We are also against the Republicans. | ||
| But this podcast is about that movement. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| That's really what we're worried about. | ||
| Trump gets impeached? | ||
| Great. | ||
| Our problem isn't over. | ||
| We're not done. | ||
| Well, they're still going to put together their propaganda campaign for this white nationalism. | ||
| And if you get rid of Trump... | ||
| See, this is why I'm saying there's no other endgame to their propaganda campaign than a full-on civil war. | ||
| Because if they get rid of Trump, or if we get rid of Trump, hopefully, then their reaction can only be, this is a coup. | ||
| There can be no other conclusion that you can drop. | ||
| They have really written themselves into a corner. | ||
| Yeah, that's what it has to be. | ||
| And Alex is on the show basically getting to the point where he's saying directly, if Trump goes, we have almost run out of non-violent solutions. | ||
| And so he is gearing up for that. | ||
| But let's deal with that another time when it's... | ||
| The main course in front of us. | ||
| When we're unable to record this podcast because we're too busy fighting a civil war? | ||
| Right. | ||
| For now, that's not what course he's on. | ||
| That's not the tip he's on yet. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| So let's deal with him by his words. | ||
| So he goes on in this next clip to explain propaganda campaigns and the nature of them and how you've got to deal with them. | ||
| Sure, there's no evidence. | ||
| We got that from Schiff, all of them. | ||
| Yeah, but that doesn't defeat the MEM, because you see, Schiff then says, well, there's circumstantial evidence, and we may have not discovered it yet, but we're going to find it. | ||
| So a MEM, a lie, a propaganda disinformation campaign, is not defeated by information or the truth. | ||
| That is a very important point, and it also relates back to Infowars. | ||
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| Propaganda campaigns aren't affected by truth, and that's what makes doing this podcast kind of a bummer. | ||
| Because we can fully lay out things and document and be like, no, this is absolutely not the truth. | ||
| Things like when he says that they're trying to ban whiteboards on college campuses. | ||
| These sorts of things. | ||
| We can lay it out and be like, no, that's not... | ||
| Or even just what we played at the beginning of the episode, the Comey thing. | ||
| Like, no. | ||
| I was hoping you were going to talk about the small dicks. | ||
| No. | ||
| I think now we have to do some research. | ||
| We're going to start measuring dicks, because I can't trust any published research. | ||
| It might come from the screaming monkey. | ||
| I don't know where the small dicks come from. | ||
| It's true. | ||
| But we've got to start finding them. | ||
| Everyone whip them out! | ||
| On three. | ||
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| No. | ||
| But it is. | ||
| I mean, that is the nature of trying to do a podcast about Infowars, is you realize, like, we can prove them wrong until we're blue in the face. | ||
| It doesn't matter. | ||
| Which is why the strength of this podcast, I think, is clowning on idiots. | ||
| And that's why... | ||
| I just have a hard time really believing that. | ||
| I guess it's just because I somehow... | ||
| I have some kind of hope in humanity. | ||
| No matter how many times they do the studies where it's like, if you confront somebody's belief system with the truth that doesn't fit within their belief system, rather than accepting the truth and expanding, they instead double down on the bullshit that they believe. | ||
| But that can't be everybody. | ||
| There is a percentage of people Who will accept that truth. | ||
| And that's what I think we are going for here. | ||
| Just like with Trump voters, right? | ||
| 38% of the polls will always be for Trump. | ||
| You're not going to get that. | ||
| But that used to be 45%. | ||
| It used to be higher than that. | ||
| So the idea that people are unable to learn from something that contradicts their core belief... | ||
| I can't believe is universal. | ||
| And the difference in percentage-wise can overthrow elections. | ||
| Like, imagine we really get just 5% of people who voted for Trump to get out and vote for somebody else. | ||
| That is... | ||
| The presidential election? | ||
| Overthrown. | ||
| That's how many Republican governorships, how many Republican congressmen, how many of all of these people go away? | ||
| Because the margins are oftentimes razor thin. | ||
| Crazy slim. | ||
| And now they are going to be even more so, to the point where if we had a competent, committed Democratic Party that actually was a progressive... | ||
| A progressive organization. | ||
| I think there's a good chance that in 2018, they would overwhelmingly use that same populist message, but in a positive way, and wind up getting over two-thirds of the Congress. | ||
| There's, I mean, look, there's... | ||
| There's possibilities that that could come to pass. | ||
| I don't think it will. | ||
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No. | |
| But that's the problem again. | ||
| You know why? | ||
| It has to be a competing propaganda campaign. | ||
| Right. | ||
| It's a civil war. | ||
| We're all going to die. | ||
| No, don't get it. | ||
| We're going to be Guatemala. | ||
| And we're not even going to have any good bananas. | ||
| We got plantains. | ||
| Look, don't get disheartened like that this quickly. | ||
| Don't you dare say the word plantain to me. | ||
| I apologize. | ||
| I don't like plantains either. | ||
| Someone offered me a plantain chip the other day, and I said, nah. | ||
| But, we gotta get to this next clip. | ||
| In this clip, Alex Jones thinks that what Jerome Corsi is suggesting is that they start assassinating people's character. | ||
| Which is real fun, because even Jerome Corsi isn't that stupid. | ||
| It's a hard point to get across. | ||
| But, I mean, if you take a look and you say... | ||
| Hitler's attacking the Jews under the... | ||
| Sure, it's like Saul Alinsky. | ||
| It's hard to defeat him just debating him with the facts. | ||
| Yeah, and the more facts you adduce, even if you're right, it just extends the argument. | ||
| It adds the snowball. | ||
| Instead, you circumvent and attack the fact that Alinsky's a piece of crap. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Right. | ||
| See, this is how interviews don't work on Infowars. | ||
| Whenever someone who actually knows Alex Jones is doing an interview with him, there's like... | ||
| Sure, sure. | ||
| Let me get my words out because you're going to get yours out. | ||
| We're not having a conversation unless we're both talking about how great white people are. | ||
| Yeah, if I disagree with you, this is going to be a non-starter. | ||
| It's going to be an argument where no matter how many more facts you produce, he's not going to believe in anything. | ||
| Interesting. | ||
| And he's going to attack your character. | ||
| Interesting. | ||
| It's a bad idea to attack character because you might get... | ||
| Fucking sued, you idiots! | ||
| Which, again, we have to bring that up. | ||
| They settled that lawsuit, which Alex Jones said, on this I will stand, I will win, or I will die. | ||
| Less than a month later, he settles the lawsuit with Giovanni Yogurt and issues a public apology, by the way. | ||
| It's been a day and a half since that happened. | ||
| Has it been on the show? | ||
| Not a once. | ||
| It hasn't been on the show? | ||
| I was this close to calling in and asking about it. | ||
| Oh, God, you should have. | ||
| I was, but I was too busy at work. | ||
| Dude. | ||
| If I do, I can't wait to see how quick that gets cut out of the rebroadcast. | ||
| There's no way. | ||
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So this next clip. | |
| If you even said the word Chobani, you'd be fucking hung up on immediately. | ||
| And then Alex would scream about something, I don't know. | ||
| Listen, I'm not saying I was wrong. | ||
| I'm saying I apologize. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Wait, no, you have to, that can't be, that's not your whole apology. | ||
| No, even when I'm wrong, I'm really right. | ||
| It would be great just to call in and have like a sound machine that just plays the, on this I will stand. | ||
| It's like, what about that, boy? | ||
| What about that, punk? | ||
| That's how we close out this podcast now. | ||
| Since it's Thursday and Rappaport didn't show up, today we close out with... | ||
| Rappaport might be dead. | ||
| Who knows? | ||
| That's a good question. | ||
| He wasn't manning his shift. | ||
| Well, what happened was he lost against Javani. | ||
| Yeah, he can't afford Rappaport anymore. | ||
| Rappaport can't do it. | ||
| And then Rappaport lost against Javani, which is why he's dead right now. | ||
| That's why we lost his teeth. | ||
| Yogurt? | ||
| That didn't land at all. | ||
| No! | ||
| So, in this next clip, Jerome Corsi doubles down more on the idea that facts are kind of pointless against these false reality memes. | ||
| Oh boy, he's too right. | ||
| You'll see where he takes it. | ||
| Right, and so, you know, the basic corollaries are that... | ||
| If you take a look at it, dealing with it, first is the facts are not going to work because they just say you're part of a conspiracy theory that you don't believe the truth of the Russian collusion story. | ||
| So they demonize you and you become part of a conspiracy theory. | ||
| And second, the second corollary is basically that no matter how anyone who attempts to prove this, who tries to stand up and say, wait a minute, You know, it was Hillary that was part of the being paid over the uranium, or was Podesta being paid in stock over this company, Jolie. | ||
| Well, now you're just part of the conspiracy theory, and the mainstream media is never going to report anything that's contrary to the mem that is being put out the narrative by the deep state and the mainstream media. | ||
| It rhymes with jeem. | ||
| Jeem. | ||
| Dawkins! | ||
| Dawkins invented it. | ||
| It is... | ||
| He even in his book made sure you knew it rhymed with Gene. | ||
| That's good of him. | ||
| He hasn't read that book, but he has... | ||
| No, I'm assuming that Corsi has not read any Dawkins. | ||
| He also hasn't read a whole lot, because he's saying that the deep state pushes this narrative with the mainstream media, and if you, you know, if you... | ||
| Get off track of it, then you're going to be called a conspiracy theorist. | ||
| And the two things that he references are Hillary Clinton getting paid to sell the uranium to Russia. | ||
| Conspiracy theory. | ||
| We've been over this. | ||
| It's not true. | ||
| It's absolutely not true. | ||
| We've documented it fully. | ||
| There's a write-up on knowledgefight.com you can find if you want to... | ||
| Get the information about that. | ||
| This other one about Podesta is new, so we might as well go over it. | ||
| He's talking about getting paid in shares by a company named Joule Investment. | ||
| J-O-U-L-E. | ||
| I'm sorry, Joule Unlimited. | ||
| So what happened was, in 2011, Podesta joined the board of Joule Unlimited, a solar-based alternative fuel company headquartered in Massachusetts, with operations in New Mexico and the Netherlands. | ||
| A few months after Podesta took on this role, Anatoly Chubayas... | ||
| Chairman and CEO of Russia-backed investment fund Rusnano also joined Juul's board. | ||
| There doesn't appear to be anything untoward or illegal about the fact that Podesta sat on a corporate board with a Russian banker. | ||
| Nevertheless, some of his and Clinton's critics have played it up. | ||
| Conservative website The Daily Caller has alleged that Podesta didn't properly disclose his shares in Juul when he joined the Obama administration in 2014. | ||
| In any case... | ||
| The company is American, not Russian. | ||
| That is courtesy of PolitiFact that has some good resources you can check out, citations. | ||
| It's absolute nonsense, this idea that Juul Unlimited is some sort of nefarious podesta getting money from the Russians. | ||
| Well, I mean, you could interpret their name to be Unlimited Power. | ||
| Yeah, that's the point. | ||
| It's an alternative fuel source company. | ||
| No, but you know what? | ||
| It corrupts absolutely? | ||
| No. | ||
| Oh. | ||
| Do you know who's searching for unlimited power? | ||
| Edgar Winner? | ||
| He wants a higher level. | ||
| The globalists! | ||
| The globalists, totally. | ||
| But you know what I'm saying? | ||
| What about Jonathan Winters? | ||
| How do you think he felt about absolute power? | ||
| Corrupts absolutely. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Look. | ||
| He would do a great impression about... | ||
| He would do a great Hitler impression right now. | ||
| My riff game is off. | ||
| My riff gun isn't firing right. | ||
| So he's like, facts don't work. | ||
| Against this false reality of the Russian involvement, if you start bringing up things like Clinton getting the uranium, Podesta with this company, the people are going to call you a conspiracy theorist because you're spouting bullshit that isn't based in reality. | ||
| Right. | ||
| It's not going to work. | ||
| It's not going to work against this false reality that is the Russian stuff. | ||
| It's like, well, of course it's not going to work, and the mainstream media isn't going to report these things because they're not true. | ||
| They're verifiably untrue. | ||
| People have researched them. | ||
| It's not that people are ignoring these things. | ||
| If you say, why isn't the Clinton selling uranium on the front page of every paper, it's because it's not true. | ||
| Journalists have looked into it. | ||
| It's not that they're ignoring it, you dumb old man. | ||
| Anyway, it makes me a little bit mad. | ||
| Just because it's so repetitive. | ||
| It's just like, just choose a new one. | ||
| No, they can't. | ||
| You have to repeat it loudly because then it becomes true. | ||
| Oh, it's like they're propping up a false reality. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| You want to make sure that even though what you're saying isn't true, it's amplified again and again by this echo chamber of people who are in like a herd and they're easily influenced by a loud... | ||
| Boisterous, idiotic man. | ||
| And manufactured ideas of people all agreeing based on fake social media accounts and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. | ||
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So, the only, like, you have to be a full-on psychopath to do this. | |
| Corsi? | ||
| Yeah, he has to be. | ||
| Yeah, let's get, actually, that relates to the next clip. | ||
| Let's jump into it. | ||
| Oh, okay. | ||
| You've also written best-selling books that have affected elections, so you're an expert on using what was the ultimate propaganda weapon, truth. | ||
| The ultimate propaganda weapon is truth, according to him. | ||
| And again, in case you haven't listened to other episodes where we've talked about Jerome Corsi's books, he's written two books about how Obama's birth certificate was fake. | ||
| He also wrote a book called Unfit for Command about John Kerry that made a bunch of spurious and provably untrue statements about his time in Vietnam. | ||
| It sure did affect an election, though. | ||
| Oh, it sure did. | ||
| It sure did really change the outcome of an election. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| In the same way that the birther stuff, the opposite is true. | ||
| The most effective weapon is untruth. | ||
| Totally. | ||
| You can go through so many polls of Republicans, it's like 60% still don't believe that Obama was born in America. | ||
| And 20 have questions. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| No, we're just... | ||
| Look. | ||
| You can ask about it. | ||
| We're just looking for it. | ||
| They could have faked it. | ||
| They could have faked that birth certificate. | ||
| He's from Hawaii. | ||
| That's not even a real state. | ||
| Might as well be Guatemala. | ||
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Make us bananas and shut the fuck up. | |
| And we don't care if fewer people die. | ||
| So I learned a little bit more about unfit for command recently. | ||
| I read this little tidbit. | ||
| After controversial comments Corsi had made at the Free Republic website were publicized by Media Matters for America's website, John O 'Neill, who's a co-author, claimed that Corsi was not actually a co-author of the book, Unfit for Command, but rather was, quote, So there's authorship issues about it. | ||
| So he didn't even write it? | ||
| Probably not. | ||
| Probably not. | ||
| Jesus. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's like Tom Clancy all over again. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| So, the theme of the book is that John Kerry's four-month tour in Vietnam had been marked by cowardice under fire and fraudulently obtaining medals. | ||
| In that regard, the book contained statements by some veterans of the Vietnam War who served with John Kerry on swift boats, several of whom executed affidavits in support of their claims. | ||
| These claims were repudiated by other veterans who served with Kerry and often were disproven by outside sources, including the Navy's official records. | ||
| Oh, boy. | ||
| So, fuck him. | ||
| Those can be doctored. | ||
| Fuck him. | ||
| CIA! | ||
| So, the ultimate weapon is truth, as we've discovered. | ||
| So, here we get to this next clip. | ||
| This is the point where, basically, Corsi breaks it down and advises that they actually start using a propaganda campaign. | ||
| How do we deal with MEMS, total manufactured false reality paradigms? | ||
| Don't you start saying it! | ||
| If you debate the false paradigm, you add energy and power to it. | ||
| How do you circumvent it? | ||
| Well, first of all, the first point I'm writing in this article is that you've got to understand that it is, you're not going to beat this by facts. | ||
| You're not going to beat it by proving that it was wrong. | ||
| That never makes it go away to the true believers of the MEM, to the lie. | ||
| I say we get on the offense with all the crimes they've committed and go after them. | ||
| No amount of, you know, let's go after Hillary. | ||
| Let's go after Podesta. | ||
| This is not true. | ||
| There's no evidence. | ||
| The meme still continues. | ||
| Now, the subsequent articles, what I'm going to show is how you gain control of the narrative again, how you recapture the narrative, take it out of the hands of the deep state, and how you take it over from the mainstream media. | ||
| So the first thing that's really fun there is just, like, Alex does not understand what's being discussed. | ||
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Nope. | |
| He doesn't get it. | ||
| And that's why, of course, he has to keep saying, facts don't matter. | ||
| When you're up against a propaganda campaign, facts don't matter. | ||
| Right. | ||
| He has to keep repeating that because Alex is just like, I say we smear him. | ||
| Or, hey, I'm going to just go offensive. | ||
| Well, you know what is fascinating about that is that does kind of suggest that Alex is a true believer. | ||
| Because he constantly says, you know, the reason that we're winning is because we have the facts. | ||
| The truth. | ||
| The reason that is because we care about the truth. | ||
| We care about the facts. | ||
| So if he were to, like, even if he does understand Corsi, he can't say that. | ||
| He can't say, he can't come out and support a propaganda campaign because that destroys everything. | ||
| Him being aware of it would... | ||
| Then necessitate him having to be aware of what he does. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| Interesting. | ||
| And then if he does become aware of that, and if he does participate in the propaganda campaign, that means that either his listeners will then believe the propaganda campaign as they do right now. | ||
| Right? | ||
| But! | ||
| If they know it's a propaganda campaign, then what do you really believe? | ||
| Right, right. | ||
| What can you really believe if all of a sudden the same stuff that they were saying, they're saying now, but they're also telling you that it's not true and they're doing it for evil. | ||
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Right. | |
| Or for good. | ||
| Whichever your perspective may be, Sith Lord Corsi. | ||
| But that's kind of why they have to do it like this and present it as a novelty. | ||
| And be like, oh, we've just stumbled upon this idea that this is what we should do. | ||
| Because otherwise, yeah, it does call into question, what have we been listening to for 20 years? | ||
| Well, yeah, what can you then believe? | ||
| Because it's not like they're going to spin a new narrative. | ||
| There's no new narrative to spin. | ||
| So even if they say they're deliberately waging this propaganda campaign, they're still going to say the same shit. | ||
| So you have to then assume... | ||
| If you are at all conscious and self-aware, then you have to, if you are a regular listener of Alex Jones, you have to be like, wait, this is what you said two weeks ago before you told us it was a propaganda campaign. | ||
| Right. | ||
| So if you're saying it now, then it's a propaganda campaign now. | ||
| So what was it two weeks ago? | ||
| Yeah, but it's kind of like his lies are under child lock. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| Like, anyone who's smart enough to figure out how to unlock the box that shows the reality that he's lying to them, they've already unlocked the box. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Oh, man. | ||
| It's kind of a paradox. | ||
| It's like a baby president. | ||
| Kind of. | ||
| And the people who are too stupid to figure it out are going to be like, oh. | ||
| Yeah, that would only make them feel like they were smarter. | ||
| Now we're in on something. | ||
| When you're stupid, boy, do you love it when people tell you you're smart. | ||
| Yeah, and you're usually too dumb to realize you're not smart. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| The Dunning-Kruger effect, if you will. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| So in this next clip, they discuss how Trump has become not very good at managing the news, which is a little bit of an understatement. | ||
| And then... | ||
| Alex, at the end of this clip, makes a really funny noise accidentally, and it's great. | ||
| It's real good. | ||
| What Trump is not doing very well right now is he's not managing the news. | ||
| Trump has lost control of the news. | ||
| He used to be on the news constantly. | ||
| They told him to be presidential. | ||
| Oh, he's still on the news, buddy. | ||
| Get up your phone, back off, so they can eat him alive. | ||
| What does Trump need to do right now? | ||
| Oh, he's still on the news. | ||
| The first thing, the next article is going to be, I'm just drafting it now, we'll have it up tomorrow, is that Trump has got to basically take over the narrative by impacting doing something that changes the narrative altogether. | ||
| Well, he's trying by starting jobs and stopping terror, but how does he change the narrative on this specifically? | ||
| Let me give you an example. | ||
| Like indict Hillary Clinton? | ||
| In case you missed that, I have isolated just that noise. | ||
| So here, enjoy that. | ||
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It's so ambivalent. | |
| That's like a Hanna-Barbera cartoon. | ||
| That character. | ||
| That's like... | ||
| I don't know. | ||
|
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Huh? | |
| I know, it's kind of petty to clown on him for a little accidental noise, but it's pretty funny. | ||
| That's a pretty funny noise. | ||
| So, like, but he's just, like, Corsi is just straight, like... | ||
| We need to make that noise a mem. | ||
| We do. | ||
| Everyone, mem it! | ||
| David Memet! | ||
| I was just trying to figure out how to make that pun. | ||
| So, like, but he, like, in reality, what he, Corsi, is suggesting is we need something... | ||
| That will completely change the narrative. | ||
| Whether or not it's manufactured, we gotta change the fucking narrative. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And what's behind that isn't, oh, all this is fake, and people are trying to railroad him. | ||
| It's a sincere fear, I believe. | ||
| They're like, fuck, we can't stay on this narrative any longer. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Shit's starting to unravel. | ||
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Right. | |
| I believe wholeheartedly that's what's behind it. | ||
| Corsi realizes it, and he's like, fuck. | ||
| Fuck, we gotta do something. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Well, then in that case, maybe they are going to try and change the narrative. | ||
| Because obviously this Hillary Clinton and uranium shit isn't working. | ||
| Hold on. | ||
| Like, it's not working. | ||
| Hold on. | ||
| Although it has been on fucking Fox News, so it is obviously working. | ||
| God, nothing is real. | ||
| Corsi is gonna get into it in this next clip. | ||
| Hillary Clinton? | ||
| I want to give you an example. | ||
| I don't want to completely give away the article from tomorrow. | ||
| I want to do this step-by-step so it sings in. | ||
| But when Trump, for instance, had the missile attack, the cruise missile attack on Syria, everything about Russia stopped. | ||
| That was an example of how he changed the subject. | ||
| He changed the subject. | ||
| And Trump has got to figure out some ways. | ||
| I'm going to give tomorrow and tomorrow's article a whole series of effective ways in which Trump can change the subject. | ||
| This is really a methodology. | ||
| I'm laying out a plan. | ||
| So I read the article because it came out today. | ||
| So the first thing in the article is he claims that the appointment of Robert Mueller is effectively changing the narrative. | ||
| It's changing the story, but it's not. | ||
| No, it's only amplifying the story because it suggests if you have to pick somebody with that kind of level of credentialing, then you can't. | ||
| Let me just read direct quotes from Jerome Corsi's article, which is not very well written. | ||
| While Mueller may reach a conclusion this year, there's no time limit placed on his special counsel investigation, nor is there any restriction for Mueller examining whether the Democrats, including Hillary Clinton and John Podesta, were the politicians actually colluding with the Russians during the 2016 campaign. | ||
| That's a big... | ||
| There is no stopping him. | ||
| Yeah, but there's nothing stopping him from investigating Mai Tai's either. | ||
| And by the way, I mean also the drink of Mai Tai and Mai Tai's to Russia. | ||
| Oh, goddammit! | ||
| I didn't even catch that. | ||
| I was like, wait, why are you talking about the... | ||
| You got it. | ||
| Also, the tie I'm using as a belt right now because my belt broke. | ||
| Also, he goes on. | ||
| God, I love you. | ||
| He goes on. | ||
| You just revealed that and just showed me a tie belt. | ||
| I don't care. | ||
| I don't know what I'm supposed to do with this. | ||
| You might as well have pulled out a karate belt. | ||
| It's the same shit. | ||
| I'm from the sticks, you know? | ||
| I might as well just be using twine. | ||
| The deep state and mainstream media just got bushwhacked by a skillful change-the-subject move engineered by President Trump's White House. | ||
| Now, that's not true. | ||
| Wait, so he's saying that Trump himself is using the switch to Mueller as a reframing the narrative. | ||
| So he's giving Trump some sort of 12th-level dimension genius skills here. | ||
| Because Rosenstein, the acting or deputy attorney general, gave the White House, what was it, like 30 minutes notice about the appointment? | ||
| He did not consult with them. | ||
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No. | |
| This was a blindside. | ||
| This was something that actually, I mean, Trump has come out in that interview and said that this is ridiculous. | ||
| Right. | ||
| He has been against it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So this framing of it is completely absurd. | ||
| That's how you change the narrative, though. | ||
| So he goes on. | ||
| Now, here's the other thing, though. | ||
| If the investigation does show that Hillary and Podesta were the ones colluding with Russia, that would, one, be the most wild, out-there M. Night Shyamalan twist there's ever been. | ||
| Right, but it won't be. | ||
| And two, I'm for it. | ||
| I'm fine with it, too, but it won't be about the uranium or this solar power company. | ||
| No, of course not. | ||
| Alex will still be wrong, even if that's the outcome. | ||
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| But can you imagine the giant boner he would have on that episode? | ||
| You have to have two super male vitality burgers. | ||
| He wouldn't need any super male vitality ever again. | ||
| It would just be with him. | ||
| Never say that. | ||
| He always needs super male vitality. | ||
| All right, all right, all right! | ||
| So Corsi's article goes on to list some ways that Trump... | ||
| Can go ahead and change the narrative and get people to stop talking about the Russia stuff. | ||
| Right. | ||
| First one is kind of diplomatically based. | ||
| Basically, it's fix the Middle East. | ||
| That would fucking be amazing. | ||
| So here's what he says. | ||
| Because Trump is about to go on his first out-of-country tour around... | ||
| And so this is a quote from the article. | ||
| Fix the Middle East! | ||
| This is the quote from the article. | ||
| Beginning serious discussions in the Middle East between Israel and the Palestinians or getting Saudi Arabia to take serious steps to control Wahhabi radicals would be compelling news as would be the articulation of a new balance of power structure in the Middle East that abandoned military action in Afghanistan in exchange for Russia agreeing to contain Iran. | ||
| None of those things are ever going to happen. | ||
| None of those things are even remotely possible. | ||
| No, but I do agree. | ||
| I do agree. | ||
| That would so change the narrative. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Oh, here's how you change the narrative from the Russia stuff. | ||
| Bring peace to the Middle East. | ||
| Fix a thousand-year-old war. | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| Just do it. | ||
| Make Israelis and Palestinians hug on camera. | ||
| Like, I don't... | ||
| Okay, that's fine. | ||
| That's fine. | ||
| That's at least... | ||
| It would work. | ||
| It would work. | ||
| At least we agree in conception. | ||
| Good call. | ||
| Oh yeah, absolutely. | ||
| In execution, impossible. | ||
| That would be a weird thing for me, too, if I was like, oh, the worst president of my lifetime accidentally, as a propaganda effort, fixed the Middle East. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That would be the weirdest, like, that is the polar opposite of causing the Guatemalan Civil War, is ending the long thousand-year fight between religions. | ||
| It does seem to match the world we live in, though. | ||
| Right? | ||
| Yeah, why not? | ||
| Why not? | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| Why not have Trump solve that? | ||
| So his other suggestions are not as good. | ||
| Here's the next one. | ||
| You mean positive? | ||
| They're not as positive. | ||
| Or wise, or even, like, they wouldn't be effective, I don't think. | ||
| President Trump could have various cabinet members announce plans making dramatic reductions in force, downsizing agencies unpopular to Trump's base, like the EPA or Department of Education, to a shadow of their former selves. | ||
| Already doing that. | ||
| Even if signing and or implementing Trump's various executive orders risks new controversies, President Trump will force the deep state and the mainstream media to shift focus from the Russian collusion meme to attack each new step the administration takes by... | ||
| Which is basically hate. | ||
| Hey, destroy the environment and everyone's schools. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That'll distract them. | ||
| That will distract them. | ||
| Yeah, but not enough. | ||
| Then they won't have enough fresh water or education to fight against you, so I guess that'd be fine. | ||
| Right. | ||
| It's like, hey, hey, hey, hey, look, your car's not going to pass inspection, all right? | ||
| Look, you don't have good brakes on there. | ||
| Here's what you do. | ||
| Blow it up. | ||
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Blow up the car. | |
| Yeah, just light it on fire. | ||
| That'll really throw off the investigators. | ||
| That will really throw off the investigators. | ||
| Destroy the country. | ||
| All right. | ||
| Good call. | ||
| Now, his last one is the worst. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| This is really bad. | ||
| To understand how effective changing the subject can be, consider North Korea, a developing nuclear threat where President Trump has positioned military forces for a potential military strike. | ||
| Listen to this paragraph closely, because it's... | ||
| Oh, God. | ||
| He's going to advocate for... | ||
| Blowing up North Korea, isn't he? | ||
| Because we'll all be fucking dead! | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| No, so instead of, you know, like, okay. | ||
| You can fix the Middle East. | ||
| Right. | ||
| You can set your own car on fire. | ||
| Or you can blow up that cop car that's about to stop you. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| That's what you can do. | ||
| Well, no. | ||
| It's not even a cop car. | ||
| Pick one of three. | ||
| It's not even a cop car because it's someone else's car. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And it's not just one car. | ||
| It's like a hundred buses full of kids. | ||
| Basically. | ||
| Because it's just... | ||
| The consequence of us attacking North Korea is... | ||
| South Korea is fucked. | ||
| Yeah, it's gone. | ||
| And even whatever defenses we put in there, because we've built up their defenses, it's not enough. | ||
| That's it. | ||
| It's not enough. | ||
| They will be destroyed. | ||
| It's 20 miles away. | ||
| So, Corsi's whole article is just full of bad ideas. | ||
| Really bad ideas. | ||
| One of them would change the narrative completely, but it's impossible. | ||
| Right. | ||
| The other two will either lead to... | ||
| Horrible climate change and disastrous, stupid children in our country, or the deaths of millions of people in South Korea, and possibly Japan, depending on the realities of... | ||
| And then the inevitable start of a world war. | ||
| So it's possible we would get to the billion mark in deaths. | ||
| It's possible. | ||
| And we don't know the full extent of North Korea's capabilities. | ||
| We don't have good intelligence on them. | ||
| Because they're pretty tight about security. | ||
| We don't have good spies in there. | ||
| They're pretty murdery when it comes to spies. | ||
| Yeah, and so we don't really know the extent of what they've got, and they do these tests, and we get some information from it, but they're not going full out with the tests. | ||
| So whenever they shoot missiles and they go into the water, that doesn't mean that that's all they've got. | ||
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True. | |
| Those are more... | ||
| The tests wouldn't be like, okay, we're going to test this missile and it's going to land in Japan. | ||
| No, yeah, yeah. | ||
| Then it's not a test. | ||
| Well, I mean, what they really are is theater to continue presenting themselves as a threat. | ||
| Totally. | ||
| Like, they're a very small... | ||
| Like, if you're in Jurassic Park, they're the dinosaur that puffs out its neck and spits on... | ||
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The Dilophosaurus. | |
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| And spits all over Newman. | ||
| Very historically inaccurate. | ||
| And now we're back on the, hope y 'all have a good Friday situation. | ||
| Now you're lost once more in thought. | ||
| So, in this next, I mean, basically, that is his article. | ||
| That's the whole thing. | ||
| There's a little bit more in it, but it's all just, it's meandering. | ||
| That would be more fun if he just went whole hog on any and every idea. | ||
| Like, hey, here's what he could do. | ||
| Bring universal healthcare. | ||
| Hey. | ||
| Here's what he could do. | ||
| Make Africa part of the United States. | ||
| Solve every problem. | ||
| Here's what he could do. | ||
| Let's see what happens when Alaska's on fire. | ||
| Why not just throw out any... | ||
| Here's what he could do. | ||
| Discover unicorns! | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I mean, it's as useful as that article. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Anyway, here's sort of my review of his article. | ||
| In Guide Hillary Clinton? | ||
| That's sort of... | ||
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That's kind of where I'm at as far as it goes. | |
| God. | ||
| You spent the entire episode up to this point just waiting for that point. | ||
| Not really, that was on the fly. | ||
| That was on the fly? | ||
| It was. | ||
| Fuck yeah, you're amazing. | ||
| So this next clip, I don't... | ||
| Who says you're bad at improv? | ||
| Me. | ||
| So in this next clip, it just feels like Alex doesn't want to have this conversation. | ||
| He's like, I know I invited you on my show. | ||
| Cernovich is on hold. | ||
| We have fun. | ||
| Corsi, you're a bummer. | ||
| You're boring as shit. | ||
| He even bores Alex, clearly. | ||
| And in this clip, it just feels like he's like, I want to hang up on you. | ||
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I wish I could fucking hang up on you. | |
| This is stuff that's been proven. | ||
| The State Department has done it. | ||
| It's been proven by the experts in the CIA. | ||
| I've studied it for 30, 40 years. | ||
| How you basically change the subject, silence the press, get some time to reorganize the government, I agree. | ||
| Well, I'll be tuned in tomorrow when you're here and read the next article. | ||
| Give us the name of the current article you wrote, too, today, which... | ||
| I agree. | ||
| Shut the fuck up. | ||
| Leave me alone. | ||
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We get it. | |
| I agree. | ||
| I agree. | ||
| Fine. | ||
| Is that what you wanted to hear? | ||
| We get it. | ||
| You're torturing me, Corsi. | ||
| It gets worse. | ||
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Why did I make you head of a bureau? | |
| It gets worse. | ||
| It's important to understand that the purpose of this mem, the reason this whole Russian collusion argument is being advanced, is that deep state and the mainstream media think it's the kind of a big lie, a Hitler big lie. | ||
| You know, the Jews are behind a conspiracy destroying Germany. | ||
| The Jews are a deficient race, eugenics. | ||
| All a lie. | ||
| But that lie can be made into a... | ||
| Big enough false truth. | ||
| A whole new cosmology. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| And that's what will take down Trump. | ||
| That's the bet. | ||
| That's the gambit. | ||
| He didn't quite get to the negative effect of that lie. | ||
| He didn't quite get to the genocide part of it. | ||
| So when he's advocating, like, here's what we need to do. | ||
| We need to create something that gets out of our control and causes a genocide. | ||
| That's basically his argument. | ||
| More or less, yeah. | ||
| Or at... | ||
| At best, what he's doing is saying that this argument that's being put forth, that Trump is involved with the Russians, is on par with demonizing the Jews. | ||
| That's what he was trying to say. | ||
| I believe so. | ||
| At least... | ||
| Okay, I'm going to step it back and give a new at best. | ||
| At best, it's using the same tricks. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Which, I don't know if that's fair. | ||
| Does it... | ||
| So, whatever I listen to... | ||
| Also, the reason I said it got worse before that was because I realized as we were listening to that, it doesn't play on audio, but you could just see in Alex's face, like, guh. | ||
| He was just like, right, right. | ||
| We get it. | ||
| The Holocaust was great. | ||
| Fine. | ||
| Gotta go to break. | ||
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Gotta go to break. | |
| So, I'm sorry. | ||
| Go ahead. | ||
| No, so the more I listen to this, the more that idea of competing propagandas... | ||
| Doesn't actually make any sense. | ||
| Or at least in our regard. | ||
| Because we're using those same tactics, I would say, right? | ||
| Like his show is... | ||
| With me? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| His show is wildly entertaining, if you are into that kind of a thing. | ||
| It's fairly entertaining, even though I hate him. | ||
| Yeah, it's a consistent spinning of narratives as if you were debunking something. | ||
| That's constantly his idea, is they're spinning the false narrative, so I'm going to debunk it with my wild, outlandish claims. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And he just repeats them over and over again. | ||
| So what we're trying to do is create the same effect of that propaganda, but we're using reality. | ||
| Disagree. | ||
| We're creating a real reality. | ||
| Disagree. | ||
| That's what we're doing. | ||
| Instead of creating a false reality, we're creating the real reality. | ||
| No, see, you framing it like that is playing into this game. | ||
| I disagree with that whole cloth. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| I just want to have fun. | ||
| I just don't have a good time. | ||
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You're the one who described this as a holy war against Alex Jones. | |
| Sure, but it can be fun. | ||
| He has fun! | ||
| He does. | ||
| He has lots of fun! | ||
| I don't see why we can't all have fun. | ||
| He dressed like the Joker! | ||
| He did. | ||
| Or a fish mask. | ||
| I disagree with that because I'm not trying to create any reality. | ||
| I'm not trying to even necessarily defend someone else's version of reality. | ||
| Whatever your version of reality is is totally fine. | ||
| If we have listeners who are conservatives, I don't give a shit. | ||
| We do not have any listeners. | ||
| If we have listeners who are libertarians, I think some of your ideas are childish, but go ahead. | ||
| Whatever. | ||
| I don't care about molding people's realities. | ||
| I believe some fucking stupid shit. | ||
| I kind of believe in Atlantis. | ||
| I don't care. | ||
| That's right, you do. | ||
| It's not fact-based. | ||
| I understand that. | ||
| It's just fun. | ||
| You also believe pink makes good music. | ||
| Hey, now. | ||
| But, like, you understand, like, all I'm interested in as much as this show is I don't want to do a propaganda campaign. | ||
| I just, I hate Alex Jones, and I hate the movement that he embodies. | ||
| I don't mean that we're actively doing this. | ||
| I mean that it is, it does seem to me that the main way to fight against this is by making something that is as entertaining. | ||
| Now you sound like Corsi. | ||
| Just fact-based. | ||
| No, of course he doesn't care about entertainment value. | ||
| I sound more like Bernays. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Which... | ||
| How do you feel about bananas? | ||
| You know how I feel about bananas. | ||
| They're great. | ||
| Well, my dick is shrunk, so... | ||
| Oh, man. | ||
| Oh, boy. | ||
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So... | |
| Man? | ||
| So in this next clip, it really, again, just whatever he's saying, I feel about Infowars. | ||
| It's interesting because they fully describe what it would be like to argue with them. | ||
| It's kind of fascinating. | ||
| And what I'm saying is, first of all, you're not going to defeat this false nem, this lie, by proving it's untrue. | ||
| It's killing me. | ||
| Because that just reinforces... | ||
| No, I agree, because we argue all day. | ||
| It's like the other big lie. | ||
| Oh, he gave the Russian secrets. | ||
| No, it was all laptop news known two months ago. | ||
| But then we just debate it. | ||
| They don't care. | ||
| They want to engage us in their false paradigm. | ||
| And that's right. | ||
| As soon as we're debating it, we do. | ||
| As soon as we debate it, So he just said, you're a bunch of traitorous liars. | ||
| And he's on to the fact that he's trying to turn the economy back on. | ||
| Yeah, that's pretty much what you do. | ||
| Alex is wrestling with Corsi's point and not getting it. | ||
| And at the same time, Corsi is projecting really hard. | ||
| Because he's like, once we start arguing, we lose. | ||
| And then Alex goes, yeah, that's what we do all the time. | ||
| We argue all the time. | ||
| Yeah, and we lose. | ||
| And then we just start calling people traitors. | ||
| This is more revealing about Alex's idea of how to fight against something than Corsi. | ||
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Totally. | |
| Corsi is trying to pull this kind of cynical, evil propaganda campaign to achieve his goals. | ||
| And Alex is just in it to fucking call people shit. | ||
| He just wants to have fun. | ||
| He's like the Dan Friesen of InfoWars. | ||
| Hey now. | ||
| I mean, it is true we're both the boss. | ||
| Alright. | ||
| I don't know about that. | ||
| I don't want to be your Rob Do. | ||
| I would say you're my McAdoo. | ||
| Oh, man. | ||
| See, now we're getting into the sexual tension on a show. | ||
| That's what we really want here. | ||
| So, this next clip, Corsi gives a little bit of a preview to his theories. | ||
| And I spelled out already what his article that came out was about, and so he just kind of touches on that stuff a little bit. | ||
| I mean, I know you want to get to your ideas tomorrow, but give us a little prelude. | ||
| Well, I mean, tomorrow it's basically, I'm going to propose a series of steps that Trump can take, which would change the subject. | ||
| And you've got one coming up. | ||
| He's going to take this foreign trip, which is going to be a major foreign trip. | ||
| Hey, why doesn't he just arrest some Russian spies? | ||
| I mean, except for the Russians, but you know they've got spies here. | ||
| Why not just, like, arrest some of them or something? | ||
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I don't know, maybe it's because... | |
| Maybe that feeds into it, though. | ||
| Ah, fuck, I cut too early. | ||
| Owen Troyer has been sitting there silently, and he's like, well, some of them have been murdered. | ||
| Yeah, I heard that part. | ||
| The other... | ||
| I was almost thinking he was going to say, like, maybe because Obama got rid of him on that one day. | ||
| No, he did not. | ||
| He's like, oh, no, they're dead. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| They're dead. | ||
| They're probably dead. | ||
| I mean, they are probably dead. | ||
| He doesn't really... | ||
| Alex asked him to preview his theories. | ||
| He doesn't really let him talk, which is classic Alex. | ||
| Not interested in his theories. | ||
| But they get on to talk about how the media is good at leading the story. | ||
| Leading. | ||
| And that Trump needs to lead. | ||
| Why once he suddenly got in 50, 60 days, did suddenly he stop leading the narrative? | ||
| What happened? | ||
| Well, they're very good at this, the mainstream media. | ||
| Hillary laid the trap saying it was the Russians who did it. | ||
| Even the evidence that Seth Rich had 44,000 emails to WikiLeaks, that doesn't refute the Russian collusion argument. | ||
| You can't win that argument with the propagandist. | ||
| You're not going to win on that one. | ||
| They're going to beat you. | ||
| They're going to convince... | ||
| You know, the people who hate you, the Jews are all evil and we need to kill them all. | ||
| It's a complete lie. | ||
| It's total propaganda. | ||
| It's evil. | ||
| But that's the same nature of argument that the Russian collusion argument fits into. | ||
| And you can't beat it logically. | ||
| You can't beat it with facts. | ||
| Nope. | ||
| I mean, he's absolutely right. | ||
| You can't beat it with facts because you don't have any. | ||
| Right, but that's super... | ||
| You can't beat facts with... | ||
| With facts, if the facts are not on your side. | ||
| But that's super unfair rhetorically to be like, this is like trying to convince people to kill millions of Jews. | ||
| You're shaking your head. | ||
| Nah, it makes perfect sense. | ||
| So he brings up Seth Rich giving 44,000 emails to WikiLeaks. | ||
| And I want to talk about this a little bit. | ||
| We texted about this the other day. | ||
| That's 100,000 less emails than people who will make it to heaven. | ||
| Only 144,000 are going to get home, man. | ||
| That was exactly what I wanted to get into. | ||
| So, Seth Rich was a DNC staffer who got murdered in D.C. late night. | ||
| The one about whom Fox News has tried to fuck everything up yet again. | ||
| We're going to get into that. | ||
| Back in the day. | ||
| Months back when the murder actually happened, I was keeping track of conspiracy message boards and stuff, and a lot of people were using the murder as sort of a left-wing conspiracy theory. | ||
| They were saying that he was killed because he had stumbled into evidence that the Russians were hacking in. | ||
| So at that point, there was liberal conspiracies going around about his murder. | ||
| Then it got repurposed as he was the one who was leaking emails to WikiLeaks. | ||
| He'd stolen the Podesta emails and what have you. | ||
| And even Julian Assange has hinted that he is the source. | ||
| But he has never said that he is because he wasn't. | ||
| But Julian Assange is committing acts of propaganda by going out and saying, we never divulge our sources because sometimes they get murdered on the street. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Those sort of, like, little... | ||
| Little kernels. | ||
| So now recently, a couple days back, Fox News got into the game and took that conspiracy theory that had already existed in the nether regions of the internet and made it mainstream. | ||
| They started pushing it really hard when they had a guy named Rod Wheeler be on Fox News. | ||
| He was on and he was a private investigator. | ||
| That's how they billed him. | ||
| But the reality is he's a Fox News contributor. | ||
| He is also... | ||
| For fuck's sakes. | ||
| He also moonlights... | ||
| Fox News! | ||
| Come on, guys! | ||
| He moonlights as a private investigator, but they said that he was the family's private investigator. | ||
| He was not the family's private investigator. | ||
| He was not. | ||
| He was paid by someone else. | ||
| That's bullshit. | ||
| To investigate this. | ||
| Who is he paid by? | ||
| I don't remember. | ||
| I'm not sure that it's all that important. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| But at least when I... | ||
| It didn't... | ||
| I didn't set off any red flags when I saw... | ||
| I did see the name. | ||
| I didn't really care. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Because it's secondary to what the main story is, and that is that he went on, Fox, and he said, and I quote, My investigation up to this point shows that there's some degree of email exchange between Seth Rich and WikiLeaks. | ||
| I do believe that the answers to who murdered Seth Rich sits on his computer on a shelf at the D.C. police or FBI headquarters. | ||
| However... | ||
| In a subsequent interview with BuzzFeed, Rod Wheeler said he had no personal knowledge of Rich's emails, and I quote, I don't even know where the computers are. | ||
| He went on to say that he got the information that he says in that interview from a Fox News reporter. | ||
| Jesus fucking Christ! | ||
| He was just repeating stuff that he was told on set. | ||
| He was just fed that shit. | ||
| Here's what we want you to say. | ||
| You're on Fox News. | ||
| You're going to say what we tell you to say. | ||
| If you ever want to come back on the TV again, you say what we tell you to say. | ||
| Seth Rich's parents have demanded an apology, and they want a retraction, and they put out this statement. | ||
| As we've seen through the past year of unsubstantiated claims, we see no facts, we've seen no evidence, we've been approached with no emails, and only learned about this when contacted by the press. | ||
| We're a family who's committed to facts, not fake evidence that surfaces every few months to fill the void and distract law enforcement and the general public from finding Seth's murderers. | ||
| Now, Dustin Sternbeck, the chief spokesman for the D.C. police force, said this, quote, There is nothing that we can find that any of this is accurate, said Dustin Sternbeck, the chief spokesman for the D.C. Police, which is leading the investigation into Rich's death. | ||
| He refused to be more specific. | ||
| FBI spokesman declined to comment, saying the agency is not involved in the case, and referred questions to D.C. Police. | ||
| Law enforcement officials have said that Seth Rich's computer and email activity have been examined, and nothing suggests that would connect them to WikiLeaks, which 12 days after Rich's death published 20,000 emails that embarrassed former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton and the DNC and forced the ouster of its chairwoman. | ||
| So, they have investigated his laptop. | ||
| They have looked at his emails. | ||
| There's no evidence that he was involved in any way. | ||
| Not important. | ||
| Change the narrative! | ||
| The thing that people latch onto is that he was murdered in what appeared to be a street confrontation in the middle of the night. | ||
| But he wasn't robbed. | ||
| And the reason that that... | ||
| I mean, that's weird. | ||
| But the reason that it's not that weird is if you're in the middle of a robbery and it goes bad and you accidentally kill somebody, you're not gonna then take shit from him. | ||
| You're gonna just leave. | ||
| You're gonna at least, you know, run. | ||
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| I would hope. | ||
| Especially if you're not... | ||
| A hardened murderer? | ||
| New conspiracy theory. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Jerome Corsi killed him. | ||
| Don't do that. | ||
| In order to change the narrative. | ||
| I like this meme. | ||
| I like this mem. | ||
| Mem. | ||
| So, I mean, he's even bringing up that complete horse shit as evidence of whatever the fuck. | ||
| No, this is Vince Foster again. | ||
| Yeah, absolutely. | ||
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That's what this is. | |
| This is absolutely the Vince Foster thing. | ||
| It's suspicious that he died. | ||
| It is. | ||
| It's so suspicious. | ||
| It is. | ||
| It's so suspicious. | ||
| Totally. | ||
| So you should investigate it. | ||
| They did. | ||
| And when you investigate it, you should find only what you want to find. | ||
| Right. | ||
| That's how investigations work. | ||
| Ignore all the evidence that you don't like. | ||
| And for 30 years insist that they had him killed because he was fucking around with Hillary Clinton and he was going to blow the whistle. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| My aunt still thinks that that's why Vince Foster died. | ||
| It's because your aunt's fucking smart! | ||
| It's why... | ||
| But that's also... | ||
| What I just described there is fucking all of law enforcement anymore. | ||
| Especially when it comes to drug crimes or anything of the like. | ||
| Just like, yeah, we have evidence. | ||
| Don't worry about it. | ||
| You're going to take a plea deal even though you're not guilty. | ||
| But just because we don't know everything... | ||
| I can't sit here and tell you with 100% certainty that Rich didn't give emails to WikiLeaks, but I can say that every piece of confirmable evidence doesn't indicate that. | ||
| So I'm inclined to believe that he didn't. | ||
| And I'm inclined to believe that those left-leaning conspiracy theorists were disrespecting his death when they were making that argument. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| And the right-leaning ones who are doing it now and back then are all disgraceful. | ||
| They're horrible. | ||
| Sickens. | ||
| Sickens me. | ||
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| Anyway. | ||
| Well, yeah. | ||
| I mean, you just wanted to... | ||
| It's propaganda, baby. | ||
| I mean, what it really is is it's such a weird coincidence that it happened there, that it happened now, and that it was... | ||
| Then the circumstances were what they are. | ||
| Well... | ||
| Especially now that we have this giant... | ||
| DC is a violent city. | ||
| It is, but especially now that we have this Russian narrative going on, which a lot of it will turn out to be true. | ||
| But there is still that kind of red fear that's still been hanging around since the Cold War. | ||
| So, of course, if we're investigating a Russian tie and somebody even tertiarily involved dies, then you're going to get there if you want to. | ||
| You're going to make that connection. | ||
| Even if there's no evidence, even if there's no point, your brain is just going to go there. | ||
| Especially if you have... | ||
| A master propagandist troll like Julian Assange poking. | ||
| Right. | ||
| So, I mean... | ||
| Well, my theory on Julian Assange is I don't think he started out as the evil propagandist. | ||
| No. | ||
| I think he started out as the holy warrior. | ||
| Probably like Alex. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He started out as this, like, I want to do good for the world. | ||
| That's why Chelsea... | ||
| And Chelsea Manning did so much good for the world. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| And I'm really happy she's out. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Everybody, May 17th is Chelsea Manning Day. | ||
| Hooray! | ||
| But, after he got all of the hate from the United States, and all of the requests for extradition, and all of this shit that is just really kind of like, hey, you revealed we're evil, so we're gonna do our best to demonize you. | ||
| And put you in prison for it, like we did Chelsea Manning. | ||
| So, then he's in the embassy. | ||
| Trapped in a room, getting more and more hate-filled, and losing his mind. | ||
| I don't think so. | ||
| I think he's absolutely doing it on purpose now, but I think he got turned into Two-Face. | ||
| You've read too many comic books. | ||
| I think that that's... | ||
| You had already had that right before I had made the comic book reference. | ||
| Well, I think that your premise that he started out with good intentions is probably true. | ||
| In the same way that I blurted out, I think Alex probably did too. | ||
| But I don't think it's as simple as he's cooped up in a room and he turns supervillain. | ||
| I think that there's negative parts of himself that through either... | ||
| I don't know, man. | ||
| If you've been put in solitary confinement, you lose your mind. | ||
| I... | ||
| Now, it doesn't matter if you've got a couch or you're in a cell. | ||
| If you're in solitary confinement, your brain is going to melt. | ||
| He's not in solitary confinement. | ||
| He's basically in solitary confinement. | ||
| It's bullshit. | ||
| Fucking Farage comes and visits him. | ||
| Oh, really? | ||
| Well, then never mind. | ||
| Fuck off. | ||
| I hate him. | ||
| Jenny McCarthy came and brought him a sandwich. | ||
| That's real? | ||
| Yeah, you don't remember that? | ||
| Oh, well then fuck off. | ||
| He's just a complete dick. | ||
| There we go. | ||
| I retract any support that I have for him, ever. | ||
| I'm glad we got there. | ||
| I changed my mind. | ||
| I think that there's negative pieces of these characters, the Julian Assange's and the Alex Jones's, that whether through ego stroking or direct compromising, they've changed from their initial goal of doing good into holding a line, carrying a narrative, blah, blah, blah. | ||
| And continuing to be famous. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So anyway, this next... | ||
| I will absolutely... | ||
| Yeah, there's no way that Julian Assange is not a megalomaniacal lunatic. | ||
| No. | ||
| Agreed there. | ||
| Save your complex shit. | ||
| So this next clip just really fleshes out that Alex Jones does not get the conversation they're having, and also that Jerome Corsi is a dick. | ||
| So what, of all the things they're doing that are horrible, what are the true narratives? | ||
| That we go after them on. | ||
| I say this. | ||
| They're trying to plunge the economy. | ||
| I knew last night this was going to plunge the economy. | ||
| I said it. | ||
| Alex, there's no argument you can use that will win. | ||
| You have to transcend argument. | ||
| There's no going to be magic formula. | ||
| There's not going to be an argument that's a magic bullet. | ||
| They're set up to beat every argument you could advance against this nem. | ||
| You know, so when they go down the Goebbels path of proving that the Jews are a deficient race, they've all got to be killed, which is a horrendous, horrible, evil idea. | ||
| We're fighting the evil of the Holocaust. | ||
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They're the Holocaust. | |
| It couldn't be stopped with arguments about the brilliance of Einstein. | ||
| It's got to be stopped by the bombs? | ||
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No, it's got to be stopped by techniques. | |
| No, I know. | ||
| I'm just saying, we had to end up, it went too far out of the military. | ||
| Yeah, so we'll talk about those techniques tomorrow. | ||
| When do you want to come on? | ||
| We're on 11 to 3 Central? | ||
| Yeah, he just doesn't get it. | ||
| He does not understand. | ||
| You gotta bomb him? | ||
| You gotta use bombs? | ||
| It kind of does make your argument stronger, the idea that he's willfully not getting it. | ||
| Because it does portray him as someone who couldn't possibly understand propaganda. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| No, he doesn't get it. | ||
| It might be a self-defense mechanism because Corsi comes in and he's spouting this stuff. | ||
| Alex probably doesn't know exactly what he wants to talk about. | ||
| All he knows is that Corsi wants to come in with a battle plan. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Conceivably, they haven't done show prep because they never do. | ||
| Right. | ||
| So he comes in and as he starts to spout this, Alex maybe is realizing, uh-oh. | ||
| You think so? | ||
| No, probably not. | ||
| I think this is innocent. | ||
| I think Alex really is a simple idiot that doesn't know he is... | ||
| I'm not saying he doesn't know when he's lying. | ||
| I do think he doesn't see himself as a propagandist. | ||
| And he would take that as an insult if you called him a propagandist. | ||
| So Jerome Corsi is basically saying, invalidate all of the stuff you believe in and now engage in propaganda. | ||
| Maybe. | ||
| Or invalidate your self-image, not all the stuff you believe in. | ||
| That's too generous. | ||
| In your self-image. | ||
| I think that's too generous. | ||
| I enjoy... | ||
| Where you're coming from, but I think that's too generous. | ||
| So we have one more clip. | ||
| How is it that I'm the less cynical one on this episode? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| We have one more clip. | ||
| Let's get through it, and it's just not great. | ||
| Well, I gotta tell you, Trump's a good guy, he's a smart guy, but isn't it proof how good he is, how all the evil people hate him? | ||
| And if we follow through this, we're gonna lay out a plan that Trump can follow, and I guarantee he's gonna listen to it and he's gonna hear it. | ||
| First of all, Trump's not a good man. | ||
| But secondly... | ||
| Also, he cannot listen and will not hear anything. | ||
| And secondly, thirdly, at this point, your plan sucks. | ||
| Just the plan of a propaganda campaign is good. | ||
| In terms of, like, yeah. | ||
| Go ahead. | ||
| So far it's been working well for you. | ||
| You've got millions of listeners. | ||
| That seems to be pretty effective. | ||
| Yeah, you're doing a good job. | ||
| But all of your shit in your article is not good. | ||
| It's not good propaganda. | ||
| Bombing North Korea would be really disastrous. | ||
| It would get off of the Russian narrative, but it would get back to it. | ||
| It would only be a distraction for a temporary period of time and so much death. | ||
| Fixing the Middle East is not a reasonable goal. | ||
| It's not something Trump can do. | ||
| You know what? | ||
| But Trump can dream, okay? | ||
| Trump can dream of fixing the Middle East. | ||
| Destroying the schools and the environment will get him attacked, but it will be attacks in addition to the Russian stuff. | ||
| And he's already doing it. | ||
| Right. | ||
| What's her dumb face? | ||
| Betsy Devos is already trying to... | ||
| Remove grants and remove the loan forgiveness program. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| She's trying to destroy fucking everything. | ||
| And getting booed at schools. | ||
| God, she's... | ||
| Oh, fucking... | ||
| Don't stop at booze. | ||
| No. | ||
| Stop at calling her bad names. | ||
| Drop a few bombs. | ||
| That's how you change the narrative. | ||
| That's what Alex says. | ||
| That's what Alex says. | ||
| I'm using Alex's own words. | ||
| Well, like... | ||
| I'm very conflicted because on this episode you've... | ||
| Pitched Alex in a very sympathetic light. | ||
| I do not think it's sympathetic at all. | ||
| I think I'm calling him a dumb man. | ||
| Right, but that's sympathetic compared to Bernays. | ||
| Compared to a guy who orchestrated a 30-year-long civil war? | ||
| Accidentally. | ||
| Yeah, I guess it's accidental. | ||
| But I legitimately think that they're giving up some of their cards. | ||
| And the only reason that they would do that is desperation. | ||
| Oh, absolutely. | ||
| I think that this is a really bad sign for InfoWars. | ||
| And another really bad sign is that Alex has just launched way more products unceremoniously. | ||
| Oh, no. | ||
| Usually whenever he launches a product, he has Dr. Group come in for an hour and they talk about how great this new metal guard that makes you pee a lot is. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| But now, within the span of since our last episode... | ||
| He's got a new thing that helps you jump your car. | ||
| Wait, what? | ||
| He's got a product that helps you generate for your car. | ||
| You can just stick it in and it jumps your car. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Is it just like a repurposed defibrillator that he found? | ||
| I have no idea. | ||
| It's insane. | ||
| Clear, and then your car starts. | ||
| And then he's also come out with a product of mouthwashes, a line of mouthwash and shampoo and stuff like that. | ||
| He's gotten into toiletries because I think he started to like, oh, fuck, people aren't buying my weird silver. | ||
| We have to go more mainstream with this. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And so now he's like, you're gonna buy all this stuff anyway. | ||
| Buy it from us. | ||
| Buy it from us. | ||
| And please get on a subscription program where it comes automatically every month. | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| And that to me is... | ||
| The gym model. | ||
| That's what he's doing. | ||
| Well, yeah, to me that's an indication that you're in trouble. | ||
| Right. | ||
| This is falling apart. | ||
| You're trying to get all these... | ||
| These, like, plugging the holes. | ||
| I want to see the InfoWars version of the Herbal Essences commercial so bad. | ||
| God, just Alex underneath a waterfall. | ||
| It would be McAdoo. | ||
| Don't fucking play games. | ||
| No, it's gotta be Alex. | ||
| It would be McAdoo. | ||
| It's gotta be Alex. | ||
| They know where their bread's buttered. | ||
| So, yeah, I mean, I just think all of this rings and smells like desperation. | ||
| It sounds bad. | ||
| We'll see what happens. | ||
| Well, I mean, if you've watched Fox News, one thing that I've noticed in the past week is that they're pulling a lot of the same conspiracy theory bullshit now. | ||
| Like, they're pulling the uranium deal. | ||
| They're pulling all of this. | ||
| Look at what Hillary did. | ||
| Don't look at Trump. | ||
| Don't look at all this shit. | ||
| We're gonna... | ||
| We're gonna do an interview with fucking Ted Nugent. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Which is exactly what InfoWars does. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Like, they're pulling from the same playbook now, which is the biggest sign of desperation. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Like, they used to hang their hat on pretending to be fair and balanced. | ||
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| Dear God. | ||
| You know what it is? | ||
| It's a landslide that's happening, and corporate conservative news is now slipping down to the level where InfoWars was. | ||
| It is. | ||
| But with corporate backing and on television, and they don't have lunatics hosting the shows that are going to get them kicked off the air. | ||
| Then, at the same time, because it is a complete landslide on the right, where Alex was, where Fox News is now, has slipped down. | ||
| Into, let's start an actual propaganda campaign. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And you know what? | ||
| They are on the vanguard. | ||
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| That is where Fox News will be if things keep going. | ||
| Well, that's what Fox News is trying now. | ||
| Although, the thing about it that is interesting is there were a few, like, ratings evaluations. | ||
| And it's starting to be, because Fox News used to be far and away the most highly rated news. | ||
| Info magazine? | ||
| Yeah, yeah, exactly. | ||
| Highly rated bullshit. | ||
| And since the Trump stuff has started, it's actually been more CNN and NBC and the like. | ||
| MSM? | ||
| MSM. | ||
| They're getting more. | ||
| Because Fox News is blatantly, blatantly ignoring every possible aspect of this. | ||
| They are not dealing with... | ||
| Intentionally so. | ||
| Intentionally so. | ||
| To the point of they are just, I mean, bald-faced running a propaganda campaign. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Like, they might as well be talking to Jerome Corsi, and I'm sure that the next thing on Fox News is going to be like, will Trump bring peace to the Middle East by going to Saudi Arabia? | ||
| Yep. | ||
| I wouldn't be surprised if that was. | ||
| Here to discuss it. | ||
| Pulitzer Prize winning author. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| Jerome Corsi. | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| So also, I agree, it's a mess. | ||
| But before we get out of here, I want to give an update. | ||
| What's the update? | ||
| About a week and a half ago, Alex had as his guest this weirdo from New Orleans who rides around on a bike with a TV behind him and plays Info Wars. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| And this lady came up to him and he took video of it. | ||
| And it was this lady who was like, I want Alex Jones taken out. | ||
| And she was like... | ||
| My son was brainwashed by him. | ||
| You don't understand. | ||
| This is terrible. | ||
| And so this guy in New Orleans just starts screaming at her about like, you want him taken out because of his free speech? | ||
| And so he puts out this video. | ||
| Alex sees it. | ||
| He invites him on as a guest on the show. | ||
| Of course! | ||
| And they talk about how free speech is dying and all this stuff. | ||
| Not at all engaging with the idea that her son was brainwashed by him, essentially. | ||
| Don't talk about it. | ||
| Yeah, doesn't matter. | ||
| So this guy's an asshole. | ||
| First rule of Proud Boys. | ||
| Don't talk about Proud Boys. | ||
| Until you talk about it all the fucking time. | ||
| Put it on YouTube. | ||
| So, this guy's on as a guest, and he announces that he's starting a GoFundMe for his info wagon, where he's gonna... | ||
| Alright, alright. | ||
| Can we get a knowledge fight wagon? | ||
| I want a knowledge fight wagon so bad now. | ||
| I don't have the fucking time. | ||
| No, it's gotta happen. | ||
| Unless it's an ice cream truck. | ||
| Maybe I'm in. | ||
| Just us going down the street with Andy in Kansas. | ||
| Instead of theme music. | ||
| So he was on the show and he's trying to raise $30,000 to make an info wagon. | ||
| Right? | ||
| Alright. | ||
| Did he get there? | ||
| I've been keeping track of this. | ||
| Alex Jones has a massive audience. | ||
| Right. | ||
| $80 million a week. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Millions an hour. | ||
| $45 million every second. | ||
| This GoFundMe campaign was started on May 10th. | ||
| Want to guess how much they have now of this $30,000? | ||
| Millions of listeners. | ||
| 450 bucks. | ||
| Dude. | ||
| 435. | ||
| No shit! | ||
| Yes! | ||
| First time I've guessed something even remotely close. | ||
| Yeah, that's crazy. | ||
| That's crazy. | ||
| No one has been motivated. | ||
| Nobody wants an info wagon. | ||
| You do? | ||
| Well, yeah, of course I do. | ||
| Because that sounds awesome. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So, fuck the info wagon. | ||
| But, you know, it is great. | ||
| Knowledgefight.com, our website. | ||
| It's not a wagon, but there's information. | ||
| That's true. | ||
| That's true. | ||
| Also, you can follow us on Twitter. | ||
| We're at knowledge underscore fight. | ||
| Email us at knowledgefight at gmail dot com. | ||
| Please. | ||
| We've had some really, like, shout out to all the people who sent in emails and corrected us on stuff. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| That's awesome. | ||
| Unlike Alex Jones, we like to learn things, and you can only learn things when you're wrong. | ||
| It's true. | ||
| Please, also, you can subscribe on iTunes. | ||
| We would appreciate it. | ||
| Also, if you do, please leave a review. | ||
| Give us a rating. | ||
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| That's correct. | ||
| Where can you find that? | ||
| I mean, there's just a link on knowledgefight.com. | ||
| There's a link on knowledgefight.com? | ||
| It says support the show. | ||
| You can check it out if you want to give any amount. | ||
| You can choose whatever you want to give. | ||
| Any amount makes you a policy wonk. | ||
| You can become a policy wonk. | ||
| Yes, that's true. | ||
| But you know what? | ||
| We've got to get out of here. | ||
| We do have to get out of here. | ||
| We've got to live our lives. | ||
| But you know what? | ||
| Roger Ailes? | ||
| Dead. | ||
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But... | |
| Roger Ailes still dead? | ||
| Rappaport still lives! | ||
| Andy in Kansas. | ||
| You're on the air. | ||
| Thanks for holding. | ||
| Hello Alex, I'm a first time caller. | ||
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I'm a huge fan. | |
| I love your work. |