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May 11, 2017 - Knowledge Fight
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#40: May 10, 2017

Knowledge Fight #40 dissects Alex Jones’ May 10, 2017, rant on FBI Director Jim Comey’s firing, where he falsely ties it to Clinton Foundation corruption while ignoring Trump’s Russia investigation. Jones repeats debunked claims like the uranium deal and pivots to baseless globalist conspiracies, including Hollywood brainwashing and AI "silicon humanoids." His erratic shifts—from calling Trump a "butt-boy" to defending him—expose anti-Semitic, racist, and transphobic narratives wrapped in pseudoscientific paranoia. The episode underscores how Jones’ fear-mongering, toxic masculinity, and outdated business tactics fuel misinformation, leaving his audience vulnerable to unchecked extremism. [Automatically generated summary]

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alex jones
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dan friesen
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jordan holmes
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roger stone
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alex jones
Andy in Kansas, you're on the air.
Thanks for holding.
jordan holmes
Hello, Alex.
unidentified
I'm a first-time caller.
I'm a huge fan.
jordan holmes
I love your work.
alex jones
I love you.
dan friesen
Hey, everybody.
Welcome back to Knowledge Fight.
I'm Dan.
jordan holmes
I'm Jordan.
dan friesen
A couple dudes who like to sit around, drink red wine, and discuss the ongoing saga that is the downfall of America through the lens.
jordan holmes
Which lovingly, lovingly coincides with the downfall of Alex Jones.
And there are many parallels to draw.
dan friesen
There certainly are.
You know, he believes that he's the archetype of a Texan.
It's possible that he is a living embodiment of not only his childhood dog, Nonk, but also the Union.
jordan holmes
And I don't know anything about Alex Jones.
dan friesen
We like to sit around and talk about Alex Jones.
I know a lot.
You know nothing.
There we go.
jordan holmes
Intro committed.
dan friesen
Yeah, we're going to be able to just get it down to like a half a sentence kaboom eventually.
jordan holmes
Why would we do that?
It's more fun to draw it out as long as humanly possible.
dan friesen
Certainly.
Certainly hasn't heard our numbers yet.
Speaking of our numbers, ladies and gentlemen, I'd like to give a shout out to our new donator, Chris M. What's up, buddy?
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
dan friesen
Congratulations on becoming a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Hi, Chris.
Welcome to the fold.
dan friesen
Yes.
jordan holmes
We're going to need more of you very shortly.
dan friesen
We probably will.
Hey, look, I'm glad anybody's donating.
Fuck it.
I don't give a shit.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
This is great.
jordan holmes
It is great.
dan friesen
This is great.
jordan holmes
It is great.
dan friesen
Although people love what we do.
I like that this is our third episode in three days that we're going to be putting out, one of which was three hours and 40 minutes long.
jordan holmes
I don't remember that.
dan friesen
People still seem into it.
So thank you all.
jordan holmes
Luckily.
Yes.
dan friesen
Yes.
So we're going to talk about the world, Jordan.
We're going to talk about what's going on with the world.
jordan holmes
You know what I just keep thinking?
What keeps going around and around in my brain is that white people would rather end democracy than allow people of color to participate.
dan friesen
Probably.
jordan holmes
That's what's going on.
dan friesen
Yeah, probably.
jordan holmes
That's really the root of all.
White people voted for people so blatantly corrupt, so absolutely evil, that they are getting none of the benefits that they were promised and all of the fucking that they weren't.
dan friesen
Doesn't it kind of bring to mind the idea of like Manson's helter-skelter idea?
Yeah.
jordan holmes
It really kind of does.
dan friesen
We're going to precipitate a race or class war and let everyone kill each other off and then we'll hide out and remain.
jordan holmes
Right, exactly.
So welcome, new policy wonks.
unidentified
We'll be making the argument that Manson was right all along.
dan friesen
We certainly will not be doing that.
jordan holmes
We will, however, be taking your donations and using them to build a compound that we put into the forest.
All policy wonks are welcome to join us as we wait out the class.
dan friesen
We're going to put it into a head in Easter Island.
Any policy wonk that can get there is welcome.
So, Jordan, since we last recorded, actually, we referenced this on yesterday's episode, but FBI director Jim Comey got fired.
jordan holmes
Yes.
Yes, he did.
dan friesen
And it was within the specter of his growing Russia investigation.
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
Just before he had gotten fired by clearly by Trump's orders.
Yep.
That also has come out.
Just before that, he had requested resources to expand the investigation.
jordan holmes
Oh, bad idea.
dan friesen
It's a strong indication that they were really coming to it.
jordan holmes
Couldn't think of any reason why.
dan friesen
So he gets fired, and the paper trail and the documents that come out indicate that Jeff Sessions and his deputy technically recused from the investigation.
His deputy, not so much, but they had advised Trump to fire Jim Comey.
But then it comes out that Trump had asked them to advise him to fire him.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that makes sense.
dan friesen
So it's all this circular nonsense.
jordan holmes
Technically, they still did advise him to fire Comey.
That is technically a true statement.
Unlike multiple statements Jeff Sessions has made under oath.
dan friesen
Absolutely.
It's boggling.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
But the world is a fucked up place.
It's not appropriate, I don't think, to compare this to Nixon and the Saturday Night Massacre.
jordan holmes
Is that because it's way worse?
dan friesen
Well, I think even beyond it just being worse, the circumstances are super different.
You know, like, that was just a break-in.
That was just them breaking into something.
jordan holmes
This is technically a break-in, meaning that Russia broke into our political system and destroyed it.
dan friesen
But Nixon wasn't helping a foreign power break into the Watergate Hotel.
He was doing that for purely selfish reasons and for self-advancement.
Now, the people involved in Trump's team obviously have self-advancement that they are interested in.
But this is directly like, I am firing someone who is investigating me.
And I want to be clear, partisanship aside, I don't give a fuck.
If Obama was under FBI investigation and he fired the FBI director, I would be just as blown away.
jordan holmes
And of course, Republicans would be shitting themselves on the front lawn of the United States.
Yeah, it would be over.
Yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
It's insane.
jordan holmes
No, it's – this is my reaction to the world.
dan friesen
That sums it up.
jordan holmes
I've got nothing.
So I'm speechless.
dan friesen
I understand that you're speechless, but thankfully, we have a man who is never speechless at our disposal.
And that man is Alexander Emmerich Jones, who went on air today, and I got to say, looked rough.
unidentified
He looked tired.
dan friesen
He looked.
That was what I was getting at.
He might be hungover.
So he gets on the air, and this is how he starts out his broadcast.
unidentified
He aligns himself with the truth, and it's time for you to choose a side.
You're listening to Alex Jones.
alex jones
Obviously, I hate to tell folks, even the general area where we get our information from concerning the White House, is the media has a big field aid with it and tries to shot off the sources.
dan friesen
That is a direct reference.
jordan holmes
To Donald Trump's sons.
dan friesen
Yes, to him outing Cernovich's sources.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
I hate to do it, even though I did it like a week ago.
Look, Mike, I'm sorry.
I'm sorry, Cernovich.
jordan holmes
Even though the media blows it out of context.
alex jones
But I was on the phone very, very late last night talking to multiple sources.
And then I called Roger Stone about 11 Texas Tom, midnight.
His time, we talked for over an hour.
jordan holmes
That's not good.
dan friesen
I think when he says he was on the phone with multiple sources, he's talking about the three wise men, Johnny Jack, and Jim.
You know what I'm talking about?
He was on the phone with some whiskey.
That's my guess.
unidentified
I guarantee he had a very drunken phone call with Rogers.
jordan holmes
Roger, Roger.
dan friesen
Roger Baby.
jordan holmes
Is it coming down finally?
Are we going down?
dan friesen
To quote Elder Skelter, is it coming down fast?
jordan holmes
Roger, if only the Beach Boys would let me.
alex jones
I was.
I don't need some other sources.
And of course, Roger's one of the only people now that Trump still routinely talks to outside of the White House.
jordan holmes
No!
alex jones
I don't know how much Roger will get into today, but I, from my other sources, separately have exactly what happened with Comey.
Comey was compromised and had been compromised for a long time and Was being clearly manipulated by deep state sources to try to exert pressure onto the White House to have the White House carry out the deep state's political aims with this whole fake Russia narrative that if they didn't basically do what John McCain and others wanted,
they would continue on with hearings and try to impeach the president.
dan friesen
If that is what your source told you, your source is very nonspecific and happens to sound a lot like you, Alex Jones.
jordan holmes
It's funny how all of his sources believe exactly what he has already told us.
dan friesen
I got it from a good source that Jim Comey has been compromised by globalists.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Great.
jordan holmes
Good source.
dan friesen
Thank you.
jordan holmes
He's got it from a reliable source.
dan friesen
Thank you, Alex.
jordan holmes
He doesn't even, he sounds like he doesn't even believe this bullshit.
dan friesen
And this is what I want to get to.
Yeah.
And I think it'll become clear as this goes along.
But this is the, like, I sincerely believe this is the darkest moment of our politics in my lifetime.
Agreed.
In the 33 years that I've been alive, I've not seen anything close to this.
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
And I think it's one of the most dangerous times.
And if we don't make the right moves, we could lose a lot of our democracy.
It's gone.
But that said, the way Alex Jones is responding to this means he knows they're fucked.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
He knows, I believe, that Comey getting fired is a nail in the coffin for most of the Russia people.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
He knows that Roger Stone is going to prison.
He knows that fucking Manafort is done.
He knows Flynn is like days away from a grand jury.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
He knows these things.
And he's not stupid enough to think that like, oh, yeah, getting rid of Comey is going to help that.
And I think.
jordan holmes
You would have to be really stupid.
You would have to be some kind of colossal moron to think it's a good idea to get rid of Comey at this point.
You would have to be some kind of absolute fucking idiot.
You would have to be some kind of stupid person heretofore unseen by this planet.
dan friesen
If you think that that is a great idea, you probably are dumb enough to think that there are globalists infiltrating everything.
Yeah.
unidentified
So if you fire Comey, you might be the president.
dan friesen
You know what would be great?
We should do a Foxworthy book.
unidentified
You might believe in the globalists.
dan friesen
So, you know, he's going to get to the point where I think it's pretty clear, if you're looking at it objectively, he is not saying what he feels.
He's reacting, and he's a panicked man.
Alex Jones is scared.
He is shook.
He is shook as fuck.
But he's going to flex a little bit.
There's going to be some bravado when we'll see that along the way.
So before we get to any of the real juiciness, he's got to explain to you what Jim Comey's real crimes were.
jordan holmes
What are Jim Comey's real crimes?
dan friesen
You're going to find out.
alex jones
Comey ignored crimes that were ultra-massive.
And he followed the orders of the attorney general who was so corrupt, she would sit there and meet on airplanes with Bill Clinton on the tarmac while he was under criminal investigation by her agency, Loretta Lynch.
That's one area.
But it's also the fact that Comey is seen as weak and as very, very manipulative, but in a candy-ass way.
Lordy Lordy, Lordy Lordy.
I didn't know.
My goodness, I had two doors I could go down.
I had one door that was cover-up, and I had another door that was getting involved in the politics of lordy-lordy.
unidentified
So, you know, he said— I hate it when people get involved in the politics of lordy-lordy.
dan friesen
Lordy-lordy!
jordan holmes
Look who's— Lordy-lordy!
dan friesen
Look who's not 43.
Alex Jones, you're lying about your age.
jordan holmes
But also, His most important lie to date.
dan friesen
Yeah, certainly.
jordan holmes
The one we are truly trying to find.
dan friesen
Realistically, I think he's probably about 50.
And if that's the case, then Supermale Vitality works even better.
jordan holmes
Wow.
dan friesen
Alex, you should come out and tell your real age.
jordan holmes
Yeah, absolutely.
We should have an age counter on the website that just chronicles how old Alex is.
dan friesen
If he's 43, he looks like shit.
And his supplements are not working.
Anyway, that's beside the point.
He claims that Comey is real crime.
unidentified
That's something that we would spend like 20 minutes on.
jordan holmes
How old do you think he is?
I would go 47 myself.
dan friesen
Probably.
Early 40s, no fucking way.
jordan holmes
No fucking way.
dan friesen
When I realized that, like, if he's 43, that's 10 years away from where I'm at.
No.
No way.
Not a chance.
And I've lived hard.
jordan holmes
Better start taking that Supermale Vitality.
dan friesen
Prostaguard on sale now.
Liver cleanse.
Anyway, so you know.
jordan holmes
Potassium cyanide.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
For the discerning Alex Jones listener.
dan friesen
So he gets into the Comey's real problem is that he let Loretta Lynch off and didn't prosecute her, which I'm not sure.
jordan holmes
There was nothing to prosecute.
dan friesen
Not really.
jordan holmes
He said she was under investigation.
dan friesen
No, no, she met with Bill Clinton when he was under investigation.
He wasn't.
The foundation was.
jordan holmes
Yeah, Bill was never under investigation.
dan friesen
And he wasn't under investigation by the Department of Justice.
There were things that were being looked into by the FBI with the Clinton Foundation, but that wasn't the DOJ.
jordan holmes
Well, I mean, we all know there's a separation between those two.
We know they're independent.
dan friesen
Well, this was like six months ago, so there was back then.
jordan holmes
That's true.
dan friesen
So then his real crimes.
jordan holmes
What's his real crimes?
dan friesen
He's weird.
jordan holmes
He's very manipulative, but in like a candy-ass way.
I don't understand what.
dan friesen
He's a cuck.
He's a globalist.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
That's insane.
Compromise.
Deep state sources.
dan friesen
But like, legitimately, I'm not cutting out any real substance.
This is the kind of thing he's pointing the finger at.
He's like, everyone knows he was a pussy.
He's a pussy.
jordan holmes
You can't have a SDI director who's a pussy.
dan friesen
No, and Alex Jones, I mean, he's a guy who's not going to put up with pussiness.
And this next clip is actually where he gives what I would describe as the first time he tries to incite violence on this episode.
jordan holmes
Are we going to keep a counter?
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Oh, boy.
alex jones
And so there's major power jockeying.
I've told the president this myself in person.
And I've said it here on the broadcast a hundred times at least, and I'm going to say it again when we come back and Roger Stone joins us.
We're not looking for trouble.
We're not looking for revolution.
We're not looking for bloodbaths.
The globalists and their leftist hordes and their refugees are here in these families and are trying to push a narrative of violence and overthrow and kill war in the streets and all this garbage.
And we are involved in dereliction of duty if we don't do something about it.
dan friesen
So it's not quite like out and out violence as it will be later.
jordan holmes
It's Trump saying, like, well, you Second Amendment people, you should probably do something about this.
dan friesen
Sure, there is a thing that's going to hit different ears differently.
But even beyond that, it is sort of a call to political violence.
It's a call to, and that seems to be one of his main themes is like, Trump, you better fucking lock it down now.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Which is kind of a good point.
jordan holmes
It is a good point.
dan friesen
If you're just trying to, like, you know, war games how to start an authoritarian regime, you've got to lock it down.
jordan holmes
Oh, God.
If he had any, any terrorist attack, it is all over.
dan friesen
Oh, sure.
jordan holmes
I mean, frankly, I think at this point.
dan friesen
Well, there was a kind of Over in, I mean, it wasn't in America or the West.
jordan holmes
Nobody's paying attention to anything right now.
No, imagine even better: a Black Lives Matter protest turns violent.
unidentified
Sure.
jordan holmes
National Guard, all democracy is over.
dan friesen
You end up with another Kent state.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Kent State with terrorism mixed up.
jordan holmes
Absolutely.
dan friesen
Yeah, totally.
jordan holmes
No, we are on the razor's edge of who gets their martyr first.
That's kind of where, because it's hard to imagine any situation that this doesn't eventually lead to either mass-scale revolts, riots, or I mean, I don't want to say civil war, but I want to say if you're Captain America.
If you're Captain America, everybody else is fucking Iron Man.
dan friesen
Well, listen, I think that a better, maybe a more delicate way to put it would be like what we were talking about earlier with the idea that this is the most complicated and dangerous period of our lives, politically.
And in order for us to avoid revolt, to avoid a revolution, to avoid a civil war, it's like threading a needle.
There is going to be really precise things that need to be done, or we're going to botch this thing and people are going to end up killing each other.
jordan holmes
Yeah, and I'm really glad we have a government right now that is famous for its ability to thread needles gently.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
To really navigate a way to success.
dan friesen
Speaking of someone who would never make a good sostress, I don't know if that's the right word.
Seamstress.
I don't know if seamstresses.
Do they sew a lot?
I guess they do.
jordan holmes
That's their whole thing.
dan friesen
It's a sostress.
Anyway, I don't really remember exactly what this is.
jordan holmes
It's a so-struggy.
dan friesen
I don't remember exactly what this clip is about, but it has to do with Trump.
alex jones
Trump has to drop the hammer on him.
His attorney general has to start the moves for the indictments right now.
So that's what needs to happen right now.
And then Trump will be the superstar president we need who restores the republic.
She's already doing economically and militarily.
Honestly, he's the American president.
They've had that in a while.
Say what you want about it, and that's why the elites were pissed because we've actually got somebody in there that really does care about the interest of this country.
unidentified
You can't do that.
alex jones
All the special interests that have been raping us forever are now freaking out, realizing there's a new sheriff in town.
jordan holmes
Yes, the new guy who's raping us.
dan friesen
The new sheriff.
jordan holmes
Yeah, the new rape sheriff.
The new fucking monster.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Well, I mean, I guess trade the monstrous kleptocrat you know for the ones you don't.
dan friesen
But I mean, you got that there at the beginning there.
I mean, it is just a further, like, we've got a call to arms.
Sessions has got to get people in front of grand juries.
jordan holmes
Drop the hammer.
dan friesen
But you know, that is one of the biggest hallmarks of these Banana Republic authoritarian dictatorships.
jordan holmes
Kangaroo courts.
dan friesen
Yes, they end up punishing their political rivals with false charges.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
And so if you want, Alex is going to give a litany of fake charges against Hillary Clinton throughout the rest of this.
And so, like, he is advocating for the beginning stages of a dictatorship.
jordan holmes
Well, yeah.
dan friesen
And I don't understand why.
jordan holmes
Because he's a strong man.
He's a strong man.
And in these times, we need a strong, 70-year-old, mentally deficient, fat, just poorly proportioned.
We need an orange grimace.
That's who we need.
dan friesen
We need a president who kind of looks like he has a butthole in his neck flap sometimes when it folds just right.
Yeah, but I get that that is a decent argument.
I think there's a little bit more going on.
We'll explore it as we go along.
But in this clip, Alex basically just shows that he does not understand subtleties of life at all.
alex jones
Well, President Trump, 45, told Comey, the incredibly political, globalist operative that had been protecting the Clintons for many years.
He told him, you're fired.
jordan holmes
Yeah, especially when he kept him from getting elected.
alex jones
And really, the Democrats are acting like it is the end of the world, or they're saying it's Nixonian.
We've got to impeach President Trump, and they're the ones just three months ago calling for him to be fired.
dan friesen
So that's the subtlety he does not get.
The idea that people wanted him fired when he wrote that letter right before the election.
alex jones
Right.
dan friesen
Democrats wanting him fired, that makes total sense in that context.
Right.
And a lot of people still harbor a lot of bad feelings about that.
jordan holmes
I sure do.
dan friesen
And rightfully so.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
But at the same time, that's a very different thing than firing someone who's actively investigating you.
jordan holmes
It's slightly different.
dan friesen
It's a bit different.
jordan holmes
It's a little bit different.
dan friesen
Like, they're not at all the same.
We're being glib.
alex jones
No.
jordan holmes
No.
Not even close.
dan friesen
It's insane.
jordan holmes
And I can't think of any other situation other than that Nixon firing the investigator looking into him.
Cox.
Witchcox.
dan friesen
Archibald Cox.
jordan holmes
William Cox?
unidentified
No.
jordan holmes
He's a great character.
dan friesen
Archibald Cox was the name of the guy.
jordan holmes
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
And Roger Stone later makes a great pun about that, about how Nixon fired Cox, who he's a Cox sacker.
It's funny because Roger Stone was involved with Nixon, too.
jordan holmes
My favorite part of Roger Stone being on is eventually I guarantee he's going to be allowed to do interviews with Alex from prison.
dan friesen
Yeah, probably.
jordan holmes
Oh, man.
dan friesen
He has a Nixon tattoo on his back.
Like, it's what are you doing?
jordan holmes
I know that's true, and I forget it instantly because how can that be true?
dan friesen
I don't know.
We'll get to him later.
But so in this next clip, in addition to Alex Jones not understanding the subtleties of wanting someone fired for one thing and not wanting them fired for a different thing, he also does not understand the nature of false equivalencies.
alex jones
Well, the media in Congress is saying, basically, in the White House, is saying it was that he didn't know the chain of command and did whatever he wanted to.
And now they're saying Comey sought more money for Russian probes before he was fired, officials say.
Washington Post.
Well, Trump was tweeting last week.
Why aren't you looking at the uranium deals and Hillary and the Podestas?
Why aren't you looking at her meeting Syria Putin?
Why aren't you involved in her entire China or the OP MHAC?
Why is it all General Flynn went and got paid to go on RT television and he had gigs with the Germans and the British and the Turks, everybody else, you know, when he was in a private citizen?
That's the big bottom of the rabbit hole here.
dan friesen
So that's not the...
unidentified
Why is it all those treasons?
dan friesen
Call me.
jordan holmes
Why is everybody thinking about them treasons?
dan friesen
Call me David Brock because I'm about to correct the record on this shit.
So he says, like, Trump expressed to Comey, why aren't you investigating Hillary's crimes?
Like the uranium deal.
Right.
Which isn't true.
It's not real.
I've written up a long, extensive thing that documents exactly what was going on with that.
She was not actively involved in that at all.
It wasn't a uranium deal that sold things to Russia at all.
It wasn't.
That's just a complete lie.
If the FBI was to investigate her for that, or anyone was to prosecute her for that, it would be a bogus prosecution.
That's why they wouldn't do it.
jordan holmes
It's just refer them to knowledgefight.com.
dan friesen
Yeah, check that out.
You dumb animals.
jordan holmes
Investigation is over.
dan friesen
And I'm not here to say that Hillary Clinton's a saint, but that's a bad way to target her because that's bullshit.
That's a fake story.
It sounds good, and it was in that full of lies documentary Clinton cash, but it's not true.
It's not real if you get down to the bottom of it.
So he's like, hey, why is everybody always investigating this?
Why are you spending all this time on the fact that Mike Flynn got paid like, what was it, $100,000 to go to Russia?
jordan holmes
I love even that.
The fact.
Like, he's just admitting why he's being investigated.
Well, that's an obvious reason.
dan friesen
But that's only one piece of it, too.
It's not that.
That's not it.
If that was it, that would be dicey, but it wouldn't be what we're experiencing now.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
You have multiple members of Trump's team who have lied under oath about contacts with Russian agents.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
So that is on its face a problem.
You have Jared Kushner lying and omitting information on his security clearance forms about meetings that he had.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
You have Manafort and Flynn both retroactively registering as foreign agents after they have been fired from Trump's campaign.
You have Carter Page acting like a complete weirdo on television.
jordan holmes
Oh, he's a wackadoo loser.
dan friesen
He's given up the game on live TV.
jordan holmes
Oh, he doesn't even give a shit anymore.
dan friesen
You have documented evidence that Mike Flynn was working with Erdogan to try and extradite Gulen.
That cleric who lives in the Northeast somewhere.
jordan holmes
And took a lot of money for it.
dan friesen
That Erdogan wants taken back so he can kill him.
And we have a foreign policy that says, no, thank you.
We don't want to do that.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
So Mike Flynn was working with a fucking Turkish dictator to try and subvert our foreign policy for money.
Those things are documented.
And then on top of that, Devin Nunez was involved in that.
And he did a lot of really fucked up stuff with confidential information.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
Which is clearly a cover-up.
So to say it's just Mike Flynn went on Russian television and sat next to Putin at a table, that's not really what we're talking about.
jordan holmes
But no.
dan friesen
But Hillary did sell that uranium.
jordan holmes
Oh, well, then we're done here.
dan friesen
But she didn't.
It's so fucked up.
It's a false equivalence based on lies on both sides.
Like, he's lying about how bad the fake thing about Clinton is and lying about how benign the actually really bad stuff about Flynn and the rest of them is.
jordan holmes
He is treating his viewers like babies.
Like he's literally holding up keys over here.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
And just saying, look at the jangly keys.
Look at the jangly keys.
Lordy, lordy, lordy.
All these jangly keys over here.
dan friesen
He constantly yells about people having no memory and the globalists want you to have no memory.
He's actively exploiting or hoping that his audience doesn't have a memory or doesn't look into things.
And if they do, he fucking prays that they only read Breitbart.
They only do research on the fucking conspiracy boards on Reddit.
But they do.
jordan holmes
They do.
That's all they do.
dan friesen
And it's crazy.
jordan holmes
That's all they do.
They only do that.
Or zero heads.
If you still support this, you're dumb or you're evil.
I used to add in denial.
Now you're just dumb.
You can't be in denial anymore.
You're dumb or you're evil.
That's it.
If you still support Trump, I am done.
I am done protecting feelings.
I'm done trying to understand anything.
Your real problem is you are fucking stupid.
dan friesen
Can I put a fine line of like, because there's a Venn diagram between evil and stupid that is racist.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
It's sort of both, but it's not fully either.
You know what I mean?
jordan holmes
It is both.
dan friesen
It is both, but racism isn't only stupidity and it's not only evilness.
It's sort of a nice, as Alex would say, it's a yin and yang of both.
It's a gestalt, as Alex might say.
So, at this point of the show, Alex Jones has a big get for an interview.
The guy who's on his show almost every day, Roger Stone.
jordan holmes
Who could he have gotten?
dan friesen
Roger Stone.
jordan holmes
A big get, Donald Trump's children.
dan friesen
To talk about the fact that Comey got fired, he brings in Roger Stone, someone who was a target of the investigation.
jordan holmes
I don't think he has any personal involvement.
I think he can maintain his objectivity in this interview.
dan friesen
You think so?
jordan holmes
Because, yeah, he was.
He was a member of multiple administrations.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
Everybody knows that he's a trustworthy and reliable source.
dan friesen
There's no doubt about that.
jordan holmes
He is famed.
Famed by from C to burning down to the ground C. As a glamour puss.
As an absolutely gorgeous man.
dan friesen
He is a fashion puss, if there ever has been one in our politics.
And this is Alex Jones' introduction.
alex jones
So joining us from the airport, flying to New York to be on the Today Show tomorrow.
And two days, his big Netflix show.
Get Me Roger Stone that yours truly is also in.
It's set to premiere.
It's got amazing ratings from the critics that have already seen it.
jordan holmes
That can't be true.
alex jones
So I look forward to seeing that, obviously.
Netflix, Get Me Roger Stone, the notorious UOP operative, plays both narrator and villain.
So, Get Me Roger Stone.
That is coming up in T-48 hours on Netflix.
But going to Roger Stone, he's got a Fox News crew and a bunch of other crews following around at the airport, giving us the first exclusive today on exactly what is breaking down and happening with Comey.
Roger, let's go over from your sources.
dan friesen
So, I mean, I can't reiterate this enough.
It's a bad look to have, like, in the same way that Trump had Comey fired, and then the next day he was meeting with the foreign minister of Russia and would not allow United States press in there.
And Sergei Kilsiak.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Kisliak.
jordan holmes
The guy.
The one guy who is at the center of the center.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
He is the guy.
dan friesen
And he was not announced that he was going to be a part of those meetings.
So actually, Trump secretly met with the same guy that all those other people met secretly with.
alex jones
Yeah.
dan friesen
And yeah, they did not allow press into the Oval Office.
jordan holmes
They did not allow United States press into the Oval Office.
They allowed Russian press inside the Oval Office.
dan friesen
I legitimately, I know that this is a little bit speculative, but I don't see any reason to think that the Oval Office isn't bugged now.
Like, I have no idea.
Like, why wouldn't they?
jordan holmes
I mean, fake deference.
dan friesen
Yeah, it's.
jordan holmes
I mean, if he finds a bug, which, god damn it, if he ever could.
Yeah, no way.
He could be fucking peeing into a microphone and he'd still be like, this is a funny plant.
Like, it's there.
You would have to.
You would have to think that all of this stuff is being recorded so that future historians will be able to write on their stone tablets that our democracy ended because stupid people hate black people.
dan friesen
Yeah, probably.
But the point I was trying to make is that in the same way that that is a bad look, you fire the guy who's investigating your ties to Russia and then secretly meet with the guy they're investigating shit about and the foreign minister.
In the same way, that's a bad look.
Alex Jones having an interview with the guy who was under investigation about the firing of the guy doing the investigating, in the real world, that's a bad look.
On Infowars, it doesn't matter.
jordan holmes
It's not a good one.
dan friesen
In the real world, that's fucked up.
There's no way.
There's no way that's okay.
jordan holmes
Everything is just fucked up.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So Roger Stone, you know, he's got his priorities straight.
I'll tell you that much.
Here's how he decides to open his interview.
alex jones
Roger, let's go over from your sources.
roger stone
Well, some interesting contratempts today, Alex.
Politico published a story which claimed that I had persuaded the president to fire James Comey.
CNN picked that story up from Politico.
I am not the source of that story, nor have I claimed anything of the kind, because as I have said on this show many times, no one talks Donald Trump into anything.
He's not some mannequin that you hand-talking points to.
And I have always discussed the content or frequency of my conversations with the president.
alex jones
Sure, I know, but you have, I mean, when we talk about this for over an hour, Son, I get where you can go or you can't.
The point is, is I have my sources.
I called you.
I checked out what they told me.
You said that was pretty much dead on me.
You don't want to get into any conversations you've had.
But it is in the newspapers today that you are the source of the person that finally got the president to drop the hammer last week.
Now, obviously, you're not taking credit for that.
He is his own person, but I guess you can't speak to those reports.
roger stone
Well, I'm not specifically, I'm not the source of those reports, nor did I confirm them.
But, Alex, I have spoken about this.
I have talked about it.
I've been calling for Mr. Comey's firing now for months.
And beyond that, the idea that I somehow persuaded the president is just not true.
dan friesen
So he's been calling for Comey's firing for months about as long as he's not.
He has.
unidentified
Has he?
dan friesen
Yeah, about as long as the investigation has been public.
unidentified
Oh.
dan friesen
That argument does not work out well.
He has stepped it up quite intensely in tweets and stuff recently.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Calling for Comey to be fired.
He's beseeched the president through Twitter to fire Comey.
Sure.
Maybe he didn't personally sit down with Trump and be like, dude, you've got to do this.
jordan holmes
Did they talk on the phone?
dan friesen
Here's what's fun about that.
So he brought up that Trump says, Trump tweeted that that story was fake news.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
Roger Stone brought that part of the tweet up.
He didn't bring up the last part of the tweet where Trump says, I haven't talked to Roger Stone in a long time.
Okay.
Because earlier in his comments, he said he talks to him a lot.
And so did Alex Jones.
One of these parties is lying.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
It's probably Trump.
jordan holmes
You think so?
Yeah.
I could also see Stone lying about that.
dan friesen
Totally.
They're both liars.
jordan holmes
They're both inveterate liars who are.
dan friesen
But here's the thing.
Roger Stone is fucking petty.
He is super petty.
He's blown up at so many people on Twitter.
jordan holmes
He has a tattoo of Nixon on his back.
Of course he's petty.
dan friesen
He's full of rage.
And I think if Donald Trump really was shutting him out, he'd act against him.
I don't think that he would still carry water for him if he wasn't still at least being strung along as being on the inside.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
That's my feeling on it.
jordan holmes
I can see that.
dan friesen
So I think that Trump is lying in an attempt to sort of damage control shit.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Because, I mean, even if you're an idiot president, you have to know that, like...
jordan holmes
Talking to Roger Stone at this point is insane.
dan friesen
Well, especially when he is calling for Comey to be fired and you fire Comey, you have to pretend, oh, that wasn't why I did it.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
And it might not have been all of it.
It probably wasn't.
My best theory is that it was Sessions.
Sessions was actively involved in that.
jordan holmes
Because Sessions himself wanted to shut down the investigation.
dan friesen
Yes, because I believe from a lot of things that I've read, most of it's speculation, but some of the indications within James Clapper's testimony lead people to believe that one of the names specifically that was unmasked was Jeff Sessions.
jordan holmes
It has to be.
dan friesen
Well, the reason.
jordan holmes
Otherwise, why would he lie?
dan friesen
The reason that most people have given in terms of their analysis of Clapper's testimony is that he was asked, I can't remember who asked him, but they asked, the names that you've seen on Mest, were they Trump associates or Trump campaign members or members of the Congress?
And he said, well, both.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And that's a fun little twist because it could be two different people and it's both or the only person who was both, Jeff Sessions.
jordan holmes
Really?
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Oh, that's a good...
dan friesen
So it could be some...
jordan holmes
Well, I mean, frankly, at this fucking point, everybody might as well be under suspicion.
Sure.
Everybody in the GOP might as well be holding a fucking target on their back that says probably spoke to the Russians illegally.
dan friesen
But if you look at the people who are the main players, at least publicly, in it, you have people like Roger Stone, Paul Manafort, Carter Page, Mike Flynn.
None of them are in the Congress.
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
Jeff Sessions is the only player who has actually been a Congressperson.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
So that theory is largely hinged on the idea that Clapper was playing semantic games.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Which I kind of hope he was, because that's fun.
jordan holmes
That is fun.
That is him kind of, if that's true, that's him kind of giving one of those like, hey, I can't say it, but you know, you know who it is.
dan friesen
Well, it's the same thing with Sally Yates saying, like, I think it goes without saying you don't want your national security advisor to be compromised by Russia.
Like, that's a way of saying that without saying.
jordan holmes
We have to live in a world now where somebody out loud says that.
dan friesen
But I think that that's really.
jordan holmes
It doesn't go without saying, you had to say it, Sally Yates.
dan friesen
But I think she had to phrase it that way and frame it that way in order to not give up the game, as it were, or give away confidential information.
So you say it that way, and you can say, what I know and what I believe is that he was compromised, but I haven't breached any rules.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right.
dan friesen
So Roger Stone goes on.
In this next clip, he wants to talk a little bit about how he's totally cool with the firing, and then he says some other stuff.
roger stone
The president's made a bold and I think the correct decision.
Comey had no interest in the mega crimes by the Clintons.
The Clinton Foundation is not a charity.
It's a slush fund for grifters.
And as we both know, it was the vehicle for the facilitation of multi-million dollar bribes on matters not just uranium, but across the board.
dan friesen
Your credibility is shot.
You brought up the uranium.
Yes.
Whatever other things you're going to say, it's almost not even worth investigating what those things are.
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
Because if that's your first example, you haven't done your own research.
So I just, I don't, I don't care anymore.
jordan holmes
I mean, he has done his own research.
He just doesn't care if it's true or not.
dan friesen
Right, because it serves his decades-long anti-Clinton boner.
jordan holmes
Absolutely.
dan friesen
I mean, he was involved in the Vince Foster shit.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Quite frankly.
dan friesen
The church of the Clintons goes back like 30 years.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Well, and not just that.
It is still that distract from me being under investigation.
dan friesen
What about ism?
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Hey, I didn't do anything that the Clintons didn't do.
Why are you picking on me?
It's because of my association with Trump.
And if he can pull that little narrative together, then the army of alt-right monstrous morons will fucking go along with it.
And they'll say he's unfairly being targeted.
And that means that it is an illegitimate investigation.
dan friesen
As we'll see.
jordan holmes
At least it is to them.
dan friesen
As we'll see as this goes on, I think that we're seeing indications that this is a last-ditch effort.
Because I think the facade is crumbling a little bit, and they're doing these things because they need to trick those people.
But he goes on to talk about the investigation a little bit and how everybody, no one's involved with Russia, please.
roger stone
Yet Mr. Comey seemed to have no interest in those crimes, wasting his time investigating the non-existent Russian collusion.
Again, there is no evidence whatsoever that would hold up in a court of law of any collusion between the Russian and officials in the Trump campaign.
dan friesen
Well, I mean, that's fair, inasmuch as there's not public law.
jordan holmes
There's no public information that would hold up in a court of law.
I mean, even at this point, it's almost like a murder trial.
unidentified
Once the, what is it?
jordan holmes
What's the name of the circumstantial?
Once the circumstantial evidence is so overwhelming, it's hard to really care about physical evidence.
dan friesen
Yeah, I mean, you can get convicted for things without a body.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
It's possible.
jordan holmes
And there are plenty.
Look at all the Russian ambassadors who have been murdered.
dan friesen
No, those are bodies without punishment.
That's the reverse.
But I mean, you know, if you just keep repeating that this is nothing, it's all lies, it's all fake.
jordan holmes
Non-existent story.
There's no there.
It's time for us to move on.
Sure, Trump fired Comey just as he asked for more funding, but that's only because that money was going to be wasted on something we all know is nothing.
We don't need to investigate it.
dan friesen
If this narrative had any legs, right?
If the narrative that Alex and Roger are spending had any legs, instead of pretending that firing Comey had something to do with how he handled the Clinton and Huma Abedeen email situation, they would have come out and said, this is bullshit.
We're firing him because he wants more money for a fake investigation.
jordan holmes
It would have been so easy to say that.
dan friesen
They could have.
jordan holmes
It would have been so easy.
dan friesen
They could have.
jordan holmes
It would have been awesome.
And not only that, that would have been a great talking point for your Congress lackeys.
Because then they could have been like, yeah, of course we support it.
We're Republicans.
We're trying to cut down on fat on the budget.
We're trying to do all this stuff.
dan friesen
It's overblown.
unidentified
He's wasting money.
dan friesen
It's bullshit.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
That's such an easy narrative, and they're too dumb to even get that far.
dan friesen
Well, because that would be dumb, too, because then you're admitting that an investigation into yourself is the primary reason you're shutting it down.
You have to lie in some ways because you don't give a fuck about what Comey did with those emails.
He don't care at all.
Except that they didn't prosecute unfairly.
jordan holmes
Even in his fucking firing letter, he was like, I appreciate that three times you said the investigation into me wasn't important.
dan friesen
That's like fucking Peter stuff.
Like you deny me three times before the cock crows kind of shit.
But it's the reverse.
You've denied an investigation into me three times, and now you must hang yourself upside down on the cross.
So I like that we know more scripture than Alex Jones, the devout Christian.
So this next clip.
jordan holmes
He knows 12th-dimensional scripture.
dan friesen
This next clip, we get back to Comey's real crimes, again, which are that he's weird.
They're going to talk.
jordan holmes
That is a crime.
dan friesen
They're going to talk a little bit more about how he just was too fucking weird, man.
alex jones
And then I called you last night.
You said, well, you've talked to some of your sources and that seemed to be right on target.
It was that Comey was violating the chain of command, was seen as reckless, weird, constantly changing positions, and that he was just seen as overall kind of soft, and that that's why the Attorney General recommended he be removed.
roger stone
My sources said the exact same thing that your sources said.
That's 100%.
dan friesen
I'm flabbergasted.
roger stone
He seemed to be empire building.
He didn't seem to be responsive to either the Congress or the executive branch.
He seemed to believe he was a power unto himself with his own.
unidentified
You mean an independent power only days ago saying, well, thereby not keeping the rule of law.
alex jones
By the way, you noticed that he said he thought it was a joke when he first heard the news yesterday.
Totally disconnected from reality.
jordan holmes
No!
dan friesen
Two things.
The reason he thought it was a prank is because he found out from the television.
And that's a fucked up way to get fired when you're the FBI director.
Second thing.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it's fine if you're an NFL coach.
Fuck you.
dan friesen
Who gives a shit?
The second thing is exactly what you were saying is that there's a reason that they appoint FBI directors for 10-year terms.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
It's because it's supposed to be a completely non-political position.
He is four years into his term.
Him saying, I'm going to be around for another six years, that is how it should have been.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
That's really fucked up.
jordan holmes
And I mean, I'm never going to go to bat for the FBI because they murdered Fred Hampton.
Sure.
Let's never forget that the FBI is an evil organization that has fucked up normal people.
unidentified
Totally.
jordan holmes
Has done everything it can to ruin.
They are an arm of the regressive GOP politics.
dan friesen
Largely.
jordan holmes
That has been true for most of American history.
dan friesen
And that's painting with too broad a brush.
That's not all of it.
jordan holmes
No, it's not all of it.
But I mean, at the very least, Hoover was an out-and-out GOP hard-on fuckface.
dan friesen
And you're nailing why a lot of people who don't believe any of this Russia stuff, some of them are pretty reasonable people.
And their distrust comes from, why would I ever believe anything intelligence agencies say?
They all lie.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
And that's a position I can kind of understand if you're going back to the FBI and the CIA's past.
jordan holmes
They're fraught with trouble.
You know, overthrowing regimes and creating banana republics.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
They have done such a great job of that.
They did it to us.
That's how good we are at making Banana Republic is.
dan friesen
Possibly by accident.
Maybe not.
Who knows?
Maybe the globalists are actually the intelligence agencies.
jordan holmes
I mean, it's hard to imagine that the deep state doesn't exist, right?
dan friesen
Not in the way that I think paranoid people believe.
jordan holmes
No, but there's an underground deep state.
I think it's hard to imagine that there isn't something there.
dan friesen
This podcast is going to turn into you and me turning into the lone gunman?
What's going on?
jordan holmes
I don't know, but there is.
dan friesen
I don't think so.
jordan holmes
I know.
I wouldn't have thought so six fucking months ago.
Now I don't know anything.
It's true.
Every single thing I thought about, I thought I knew about American politics, civics, the way our Constitution works, the way our rule of law works, the separation of powers.
All of this stuff is gone.
It's all consolidated.
dan friesen
The reason that I'm against this idea that you're saying about this underground deep state and what have you is that to me, that's as easy an excuse as globalists.
jordan holmes
As the globalists, right?
dan friesen
It is just like, oh, yeah, throw everything in that box.
jordan holmes
Oh, no, no, no.
I'm not saying that they're responsible for all of this stuff.
dan friesen
But they would be if they were a secret underground cabal.
jordan holmes
But again, I'll never believe that people are that competent.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
Especially people that just all the people we have in government now are some of the most incompetent people.
And it's all across the board.
How is it that the Democratic Party could not get themselves elected?
Pure incompetence.
It has to be.
If you read the Hillary book, the new one out, I can't remember the name of it, but it is basically just one long treatise of interviews from the Hillary Clinton campaign going over how incompetent it was at every step of the way.
dan friesen
Sure, but I think that – well, look.
jordan holmes
Shattered.
Shattered, I believe, is the name of the book.
dan friesen
Obviously, they were dumb to think we've got this.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
But if I were her, I would too.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Well, you'd have to.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
You'd have to be like, oh, come on now.
This is ridiculous.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
So she didn't go as hard in the paint as she needed to.
But then there were things that went against her.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
But there were things that went against her, too, that were outside of her control, such as Comey's letter, such as Alex Jones.
Right.
jordan holmes
Yeah, but if McConne can beat the fascist by 20 points, you would hope that he probably couldn't have if it weren't for Trump and Brexit.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
That's probably true.
dan friesen
I think France was saved by our fall to some extent.
But anyway, we're spinning our gears.
jordan holmes
Which is ironic.
dan friesen
We're still in the middle of it.
jordan holmes
Considering they will be destroyed by our fall as well.
dan friesen
Yeah, everyone will be.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
dan friesen
There's going to be a big title wave.
But this next clip, I've just given a poetic title to this one.
This one is called The Stone Doth Protest Too Much.
roger stone
This had nothing to do with heading off a Russian investigation.
Senators Warner, Feinstein, Franken, Congressman Schiff, Speyer, Heims, they have nothing, Alex.
Nothing.
They're holding it in their hands.
They got nothing.
It's bogus, and they're about to be humiliated if they continue down this path.
dan friesen
We'll see.
You know?
jordan holmes
There's nothing.
It's bogus.
They've got it in their hands.
There's nothing.
They can't fill their hands with any evidence.
They can't fill their hands with guns.
There's nothing there.
There's nothing there.
They're going to be humiliated if they just keep this going.
What they should do is just stop.
dan friesen
That's basically what he's getting at.
jordan holmes
Otherwise, you'll be in trouble.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
You don't want to get in trouble.
dan friesen
It's a veiled threat in some ways.
You know, like, you've got nothing.
Just fucking give it up.
It's like, you know what it is?
It's a poker bluff.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
That's exactly what it is.
dan friesen
Yeah.
And that is the kind of action that you take when your hand is shit.
When you know, oh, fuck, I have been communicating with Roger intelligence.
Yeah.
Oh, no.
They have been watching me.
Oh, no.
Just give it up.
Because in the same way that Alex Jones, whenever one of his ex-employees comes out and says some shit about him anonymously, he knows that they can't publicly say anything about it because of confidentiality agreements.
Or in the same way that Roger Stone can lie about being poisoned by polonium and his doctors can't correct it.
unidentified
How?
dan friesen
The doctors can't correct it?
jordan holmes
I forgot about how he lied about being poisoned by polonium.
dan friesen
You can make those lies in the same way that he can say they don't have any evidence because they legally can't present that evidence to the public.
So you can trick people until that evidence is declassified.
jordan holmes
Well, and that is one, that's another reason why I can see Stone lying about Trump talking to him because it wouldn't matter either way.
Trump has to deny it.
So you can say he's talking to you however much you want, or even if he is or he isn't, he still has to say the same thing.
dan friesen
Why?
jordan holmes
Because if you are talking to Trump and you're Roger Stone and Trump says, yeah, I talk to my buddy, Roger Stone, all the time, that is basically saying I'm complicit in whatever it is Roger Stone is doing.
dan friesen
Is it?
jordan holmes
So you have to say no.
dan friesen
Is it, though?
jordan holmes
How could you talk to Roger Stone?
dan friesen
After he fired Flynn, he was talking about how he's a good man.
He's a great man.
Didn't do anything wrong.
Sad to see him go, but he accidentally lied to the VP.
Got to let him go.
He's a good man.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
He said that after.
jordan holmes
He lied to the VP about all the stuff that they're investigating him for.
dan friesen
He might not have.
jordan holmes
Wait, he might not have lied to the VP?
dan friesen
Pence might have lied.
jordan holmes
Oh, Pence is absolutely lying.
dan friesen
It could be a combo platter.
It could be everyone's lying.
jordan holmes
It's yeah.
dan friesen
Be that as it is.
jordan holmes
This is a this is murder on the Orient Express.
Fucking everybody is doing it.
dan friesen
We're getting down to some minutia here.
Maybe we should take a step back because I think that Alex.
jordan holmes
Are we getting too deep into the weeds?
dan friesen
We might be.
And Alex would like us to look at the big picture.
And I think he is the perfect guide to take us there.
alex jones
All right, Roger.
In the five minutes we've got left here, I want to look at the big picture.
I mean, clearly the Russia thing is completely made up.
The Democrats and a lot of the other Republican establishment have been deeply involved with lots of multinational companies and foreign governments.
With Trump, it's surprising how little Russian connections there are, knowing he's an international business magnet and real estate mogul.
dan friesen
Nope.
Untrue to a staggering degree.
jordan holmes
The fact that he's just being so blasé about what is true, the Democrats and the Republicans have been involved with so many outside business ventures.
But that seems, that's bad on its own.
If everything else was normal, that would be something that we should fucking deal with.
dan friesen
I am slightly blasé on that, quite frankly.
unidentified
Okay.
dan friesen
Some of that is politics.
But being involved with Russian mobsters and getting tons of money from weird, shady real estate deals with people with checkered Russian pests, like that's not nothing.
You know what I mean?
The idea that most of his money is lent to him by a Russia-connected bank.
jordan holmes
You know, like how Donald Trump's sons told us.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
So in another way.
dan friesen
They can't get loans from American banks.
And Eric Trump has said on the record, he's quoted by somebody else, but spiritually it matches up with a lot of the investigations that have been done into Trump's finances without the help of his tax returns, that a lot of their lending comes from Russian sources.
So the idea that he doesn't have Russian connections, even if it isn't Putin, even if it isn't political, it's bullshit.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
It's absolute bullshit.
Also, the main reason I stopped this clip is because I wanted to warn you that it's going to get really fucked up.
I wanted to give you a heads up that it's time to take.
jordan holmes
Mike up, Mike down.
In the middle.
Okay.
dan friesen
Have a sip of wine.
jordan holmes
Oh, if I spit take, I'm going to break you.
dan friesen
I don't think you will.
But this is going to get really fucked up.
And then towards the end, Alex cannot let Roger talk, and it's delightful.
alex jones
That said, the Democrats are never going to get off the offense.
They're the ones who they're surrogate saying, kill the president, kill us, overthrow everyone.
They're at war with us.
They're funding the cop killing groups.
They're funding all the social distortion garbage.
They're a clear and present danger running around inside our country.
And so I'm not calling for authoritarianism.
They're an authoritarian threat.
And so we need the Attorney General to go after the Clintons, to go after Obama, to go after them all.
They want a war.
They need to get one.
I know in my gut, but also the story.
jordan holmes
What the fuck?
alex jones
If he doesn't go all out constitutionally with the right thing to do and get really aggressive politically and really start.
jordan holmes
Is anything even real anymore?
Is anything even real?
dan friesen
I told you to have a warming up.
jordan holmes
I don't even know my fucking name.
dan friesen
I told you to have a sip of wine.
jordan holmes
What's happening?
dan friesen
Greg, I told you to have a sip of wine.
Yeah, like, that's crazy.
Isn't that?
This clip isn't done.
This isn't nearly done.
jordan holmes
Nothing means anything.
Words don't mean anything.
You can just fucking say whatever you want.
They're doing what we're doing.
We have to do what they're doing.
dan friesen
We need to go on the offense.
It's not authoritarianism, but we need to use authoritarianism against it.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
What the fuck?
dan friesen
It's insane the disconnect and the inability to see what he's saying.
Like, the lack of self-reflection in his words are shocking.
jordan holmes
It's staggering.
dan friesen
Well, again, I think it's because he's super hungover.
jordan holmes
And Stone is right there.
dan friesen
All right.
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
jordan holmes
Just going along with all of it.
dan friesen
He's about to sign off on it.
jordan holmes
Oh, great.
Here comes fucking great.
alex jones
Getting them back on their heels.
They're not going to stop.
They're going to make stuff up.
They're going to dig stuff up.
They're going to twist it.
And they're going to try to remove the president.
Now, am I wrong?
Can he just let them sit there and do this forever?
Or should he?
roger stone
I think you're absolutely right.
I think you're 100% right.
Look, we saw how the Democrats politicized Watergate, and they used it to undo one of the greatest political landslides in American history.
unidentified
What?
jordan holmes
What the shit?
What?
He's back defending Watergate now?
dan friesen
He's retconning Watergate.
jordan holmes
Yeah, no, it was the Dems.
It was the Dems.
It was the Republicans.
No, it was the Dems.
dan friesen
The Republicans turned on Nixon because they knew that they were going to get voted out.
jordan holmes
Cannot conceive.
dan friesen
The Democrats were always against Nixon, but the Republicans were obstructionist about impeachment until midterm started to come up, and that's when they turned on him.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
Which might end up happening to Trump unless gerrymandering and voting.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I don't think they care at this point.
dan friesen
No, probably not.
They wouldn't be behaving the way they are.
jordan holmes
They can't possibly believe that they're not.
So now, here's the other hope there, though, is just like these fucks talking right now, pretending all of this shit was true, and just rewriting history, rewriting the present in order to fit their narrative.
It's entirely possible that these true believers in Congress think their constituents all agree with them.
And so they are immune to being voted out there.
They can't possibly accept that the people who have, that there are people who have voted Republican in the past who will turn against them now.
dan friesen
There's a lot of stuff.
jordan holmes
Now, whether or not they're wrong is a whole different world.
dan friesen
Well, there's a lot of places that vote so solidly Republican that it would be incredibly difficult to get somebody out.
But even if they did, then you'd have to primary them because it would be another Republican trying to take their seat as an incumbent.
And that's such a hassle that most people wouldn't do it.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
But like, yeah, it baffles me.
I don't know.
I don't know.
The fact that they're sitting here and like here, let me be clear.
The fact that I forgot that part of this clip was that Roger Stone tries to rewrite Watergate crazy.
jordan holmes
That's fucking bananas.
dan friesen
The rest of this is even crazier.
The clip's not crazy.
jordan holmes
It's crazier than that.
Okay.
dan friesen
There's two minutes of this clip left.
jordan holmes
Jesus Christ.
roger stone
Win at the ballot box.
So they removed Nixon through this extrajudicial process.
It's the same thing here, which is why I say again regularly the Senate Intelligence Committee need to vote subpoena Mr. Podesta, his brother, Hillary Clinton, Bill Clinton, Chelsea Clinton.
They should be compelled to testify on a gas deal, their banking deal, their uranium deal.
dan friesen
Uranium again.
unidentified
You know, they're the people who have been in bed with Putin.
roger stone
It is not conjecture.
It's not a conspiracy theory.
These are cold hard facts.
dan friesen
Cut and dry.
unidentified
And it's time for the Senate and House Republicans to show a little backbone.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it's time to do what we're doing.
roger stone
Well, exactly.
alex jones
They're the ones that have done all this.
Get her out of the white mobilism.
We get a real president trying to revert power back to the country.
Doesn't mean you agree with every policy, but he really is being the president right now.
All these special interests are pissed.
They've involved themselves in corporate international espionage, transferring power to this crony capitalist offshore combine, and they want to go on the offense and call for our deaths and all this other crap.
It's time to go on the offense against these people.
roger stone
Yeah, you put your finger on it.
It's about time for Attorney General Sessions to convene a grand jury and send for Hillary.
I'm sure he has many, many, many questions for her.
alex jones
That's right.
They're not stopping.
Sorry, go ahead.
They're coming after America with everything they've got trying to destroy us, and they're the criminals.
Then let's let him have it.
Sorry, go ahead.
We have nothing to lose but running over these people.
roger stone
I couldn't agree more.
It's time for the Republican Party to take the established Republican Party show some backbone.
dan friesen
I swear to God, I didn't edit that at all.
Twice within a minute, he interrupts him, says, sorry, go ahead, and then immediately starts ranting.
That is a man who is insane.
He's a lunatic.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
He's rude to his friends.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
I don't know.
Well, I mean, within the context of his show.
So if you can say he and Roger Stone had an hour conversation the night before.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
I can't believe that he really talks to Roger the same way off air.
dan friesen
Probably not.
jordan holmes
So if you can.
dan friesen
There's a performative aspect.
jordan holmes
Right.
You can justify it.
dan friesen
We talk to each other about the same off-air as on air.
jordan holmes
Yeah, pretty much.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Just no mics.
Maybe more yelling.
jordan holmes
Yeah, usually you join in the fun.
Yeah.
No, then I imagine that on air, it's part of the dynamic of the show.
dan friesen
That's possible.
jordan holmes
When Alex is like turning, is ratcheting it up.
Because it doesn't matter.
It is still a performance.
dan friesen
Even so, I, having listened for the last five months straight, and I'm dipping back into the archives, I have a thorough investigation I'm engaged in right now that I can't.
unidentified
Look, you can't reveal it.
dan friesen
I can't reveal it yet, but I'm on to something really big.
All right.
jordan holmes
Do not, do not ask Trump for more resources.
Don't do it.
I swear to God, he's going to fire you.
dan friesen
Next day, I'm fired from this podcast.
My cat takes over.
jordan holmes
Who would I get to replace you?
dan friesen
Rudy Giuliani.
So, like, even having listened to hours and hours and hours.
Like, you guys listening have no fucking idea how much I've listened to this dumbass man talk.
I've never heard him interrupt like that.
Really?
He's been ruder, but the comedy of, sorry, go ahead.
unidentified
Right.
Right.
dan friesen
Sorry, go ahead.
unidentified
Sorry.
jordan holmes
Sorry, go ahead.
unidentified
We have nothing to lose but running over them.
jordan holmes
I don't understand what that means, Alex.
First of all, why are you interrupting somebody to get that out?
dan friesen
I don't know.
He just came.
He just remembered the phrase, I guess.
So I cut out a ton of the rest of Roger Stone's interview because, I mean, it's all more or less the same.
There's not a ton more.
I can't remember if he's still on this next clip or if he's already left, but what happens after Roger Stone leaves is, remember that notorious March 30th episode we did where Roger Stone was around for a little while, then Alex drunkenly deteriorated into a man talking about selling his car and the ways you learn.
jordan holmes
Yes, the most beautiful episode.
dan friesen
There is a little bit of a.
jordan holmes
Go back and listen to March 30th one more time to just near the end where Alex gets super introspective.
dan friesen
And refuses to look at Rob D.
jordan holmes
Yeah, so weird.
dan friesen
There's a little bit of that energy here.
Roger Stone ends up leaving and things go a little weird.
They go a little bit weird, and we'll get to it.
But this next clip, he just expresses how glad he is that Comey's gone and talks more about Hillary's crimes.
alex jones
Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for joining us.
I think I should just open the phones up and play some clips of what's been unfolding.
But this really makes me feel good about President Trump.
Christ.
In that he has fired Comey.
Comey that stood there while Loretta Lynch met on airplanes with Bill Clinton breaking the law while he was under criminal investigation.
Lynch, who sat there with all the WikiLeaks info coming out, how they were coordinating with the White House on the cover-up crimes.
unidentified
Nope.
alex jones
The uranium deals to Russia, the sell-out of our technology to China.
jordan holmes
Still not.
alex jones
And the Clintons have been protected by the FBI for decades.
From the highest levels, committing their crimes.
And then all the WikiLeaks pedophile information.
Police department wanted to release what the FDI basically shut down.
dan friesen
So you can see there that his one example is that Loretta Lynch was on a plane with Bill Clinton.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
That's sort of what he keeps going back to, which means he doesn't really know all that much.
jordan holmes
All you need.
dan friesen
The uranium deal brought up again, and then he says that people were complicit in selling our technology to China.
And it's actually kind of interesting because when I was researching the uranium deal, basically what it boils down to is that Hillary Clinton, because she was Secretary of State, all of the heads of departments, like all the secretaries, essentially, in the cabinet, are part of a nine-member organization called the Council on Foreign Investment in the United States.
And anytime a foreign company tries to buy something that may or may not be relevant to our national security, the deal gets reviewed by the CFIS.
I believe that's how you would say that.
I don't know how to pronounce a C and an F right at the beginning of a word.
SPFIS?
Who knows?
jordan holmes
Who cares?
dan friesen
But anyway, this organization.
jordan holmes
That's actually a really good idea.
dan friesen
This organization.
So when this uranium company was being bought out by a Russian company, it was something that got reviewed by the CFIAS.
jordan holmes
Because it is in our.
dan friesen
And Hillary Clinton, as one of the members of this nine-member committee, could not have any personal involvement in the outcome of the decision.
She couldn't have swayed that decision.
And the outcome of the Siffias is that they make a recommendation, and then the president can let the deal go through, or he can put the kibosh on the deal.
jordan holmes
Gotcha.
dan friesen
They don't choose what happens.
So even if she had said, don't let this go through, it's not her choice to make.
So the idea that she sold this uranium is, number one, factually inaccurate, and then logistically inaccurate.
But while I was doing the research into that uranium deal, one of the interesting things that I found out was that in 2016, Barack Obama did stop a company from being bought because he felt it was relevant to our national interests.
jordan holmes
Really?
dan friesen
And it had to do with a recommendation that the Syphius had made.
And it was involving a Chinese company from buying a Dutch company that produced microchips out of the concern that they were doing so for nefarious reasons and would have too much of the microchip market.
So Alex Jones saying that the liberals and the Democrats are way too interested in letting China have all our technology.
There's a concrete example from a year ago of Barack Obama stepping in and being like, well, we've got to be careful about the Chinese consolidation of technology.
jordan holmes
So literally.
Not literally, meaning figuratively.
unidentified
No.
jordan holmes
Literally, the liberals he is decrying for doing a thing did the exact opposite thing.
dan friesen
Absolutely.
jordan holmes
Which he ostensibly wants.
dan friesen
There's an article in the New York Times from February 4th, 2016 that I've linked up in that article about the uranium deal.
You can find all the resources there.
It's fully documented.
It's an absolutely concrete example against what Alex is talking about.
jordan holmes
It's in the white paper.
It's in their own white paper.
dan friesen
Secondarily, all of that stuff that he's saying about the WikiLeaks means he's never read it because those things aren't in there.
jordan holmes
Why does he keep – if he brings up the pedophilia thing again, he is referencing Pizzagate, right?
dan friesen
He has to be.
If he's talking about the WikiLeaks aspect of it.
jordan holmes
Yeah, there's no other explanation.
dan friesen
Well, you could be talking about, like, all right, we weren't talking about Comet Ping Pong, but what we were talking about, like, Alex brings this up all the time.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
The idea that Barack Obama got succulent hot dogs.
You're adding adjectives in, and you're misrepresenting what the actual WikiLeaks say.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
So you haven't read them.
Someone has told you.
It's all secondhand.
Right.
That entire description, again, I don't think Hillary is the best person in the world.
She's still a politician.
She's complicit in some shit.
But at the same time, all of the examples he gives are unnuanced and either lies or just things he doesn't actually understand.
It's embarrassing.
It's absolutely embarrassing.
jordan holmes
It would be if anybody but us was capable of giving a shit.
dan friesen
Yeah, I guess so.
Everyone who cares has already written off Alex and assumes he's lying.
jordan holmes
Right.
Right.
dan friesen
Whereas we engage and actually prove he's lying and it doesn't matter.
But thank you to everyone who actually enjoys the show.
jordan holmes
I think it does matter.
Once we get enough listeners, say 45 million listeners a week.
That's coming.
That's right around the corner.
With all the new policy walks we keep getting.
I imagine 45 million people are about to be on.
dan friesen
Google's trying to delist us.
jordan holmes
They are.
You search Knowledge Fight, and I swear we're like.
dan friesen
First, I think.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
For now.
Yeah.
Until we get Chobani money.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Hombi, hit us up.
We like you.
We'll pimp yogurt.
jordan holmes
Yeah, fuck you.
dan friesen
Who cares?
We'll do an ad.
So this next clip.
jordan holmes
Chibani yogurt.
It's thicker than regular yogurt.
dan friesen
It's thicker than the lies coming out of Alex Jones' mouth.
So this next clip.
jordan holmes
The yogurt of policy walks.
dan friesen
This next clip I've done some research into, and it's going to be interesting when we come out the other side of it.
alex jones
Donald Trump is restoring our military, restoring our sovereignty, restoring our economy, restoring our pride.
If Russia was our enemy and if Russia was controlling President Trump, they would not be doing any of this.
The first thing a Russian compromised operative would do would keep coal banned.
They have enough coal for over a thousand years with clean burning systems in the United States.
Conservatively.
There's more coal than natural gas, oil, you name it, combine.
jordan holmes
That can't be true.
alex jones
And when Trump said all that coal is back on the table, it made gas prices in Russia plunge, and that's Russia's main export.
jordan holmes
That's actually not a bad argument.
alex jones
But see, that's if you're actually geopolitically informed.
It wasn't to hurt Russia, it's to help the United States.
Sorry.
dan friesen
So here's why it is a terrible argument.
jordan holmes
God damn it.
dan friesen
So I don't know.
jordan holmes
I mean, I just mean logically, from the logical sense, why would you support a thing that goes against Russia's thing?
dan friesen
If the premises were true, the argument would be good.
jordan holmes
So are either premises true?
dan friesen
Well, before we get to them, I want to say that I don't really know exactly how much coal there is or natural gas.
Most of the numbers that you can find are speculative.
Right.
There are a bunch of reserves and there's stuff we know about, but there's unknown unknowns.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
As it were.
Things, ores we might find later and stuff like that.
So we don't know.
jordan holmes
There could be deep earth coal crystals.
dan friesen
Absolutely.
Yeah.
So what we do know is that clean coal is bullshit.
jordan holmes
Absolute, utter.
dan friesen
And we've said that a bunch on the show, and I realize I'm getting a little self-conscious, so it's time to fully lay that out.
Clean coal, as Alex sort of presents it.
jordan holmes
You can't sit with your obsession with documenting facts.
dan friesen
So Alex presents it as like another kind of coal, which is absurd.
jordan holmes
It's the same Cole.
dan friesen
The only way that you can...
jordan holmes
Cole's Cole.
Right.
dan friesen
Right.
But they rationalize that clean coal is coal that's presented differently and you do different things with it and that makes it clean.
The biggest version of this and the only one that's really relevant to any national conversation is the idea of carbon capture technology.
You're aware of this, but for those of you who aren't, it's a technology that's designed to collect and dispose of coal plants' carbon dioxide emissions before they escape into the atmosphere, because once they get into the atmosphere, they trap heat and cause warming.
jordan holmes
And they fuck us up.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So according to this article in Bloomberg, that technology may be on the drawing board and in a few small-scale demonstration projects, but it's not close to being ready for widespread use at an affordable price.
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
The one U.S. plant that's being designed to use carbon capture, now under construction in Kemper County, Mississippi, is two years behind schedule and $4 billion over budget.
jordan holmes
Wow.
dan friesen
A similar, heavily subsidized project in Saskatchewan has demonstrated that outfitting the world's power stations with the technology could cost upwards of $17 trillion.
So basically, some of the technology does exist, and it has worked somewhat.
It doesn't work all that well yet, but it may in the future.
It may eventually.
jordan holmes
When it's too late.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
But at the same time, that $17 trillion number of outfitting all of our coal-burning plants with that is substantially higher than all sorts of renewable resources that we can use.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
And that's why it's a stupid reason to go down the coal path.
jordan holmes
Well, we've got to save like 50 coal miners' jobs.
dan friesen
Well, that's the other thing.
They're not coming back.
jordan holmes
No, they're coming back.
dan friesen
Mechanization.
unidentified
Coal!
jordan holmes
Clean coal!
unidentified
Bring it back!
dan friesen
If you look at it, the number of jobs that were lost because of the coal industry going down, it's not nearly as many jobs as just because of automation.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
And that's just a reality that's going to be on the table whether we use coal or not.
jordan holmes
God, how is it?
Can you imagine?
unidentified
Imagine.
dan friesen
And if you look at the number of tourism and retail-related jobs that have been lost since Trump got in office compared to the hypothetical gains in the coal industry, coal is nothing.
We're bleeding retail and tourism jobs because people just.
jordan holmes
Because people don't want to fucking come here.
dan friesen
Nope.
jordan holmes
Hell if I do.
dan friesen
No, absolutely.
jordan holmes
So you remember all those, you remember when people used to say, well, I mean, it's not working in a coal mine.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Right?
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Because working in a coal mine was bad.
dan friesen
Yeah, because you could die if that canary, if you didn't see the canary die.
jordan holmes
A lot of people die working in coal mines, right?
So imagine if they just stopped subsidizing those coal mining jobs and started subsidizing renewable energy jobs.
Those jobs, those people who were working in coal mines could probably work in a solar farms.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Where you wouldn't be murdered by a fucking mine.
dan friesen
Now, there's a lot of issues in terms of like wind turbines and stuff like that.
They do end up killing a lot of birds.
They're not ideal in a lot of ways.
jordan holmes
Yeah, the canary in the wind farm probably isn't going to go as well.
dan friesen
But like solar stuff is.
jordan holmes
Come here getting fired as the canary in the wind farm.
dan friesen
That's not bad.
jordan holmes
That's not bad.
Thank you.
dan friesen
Sorry.
So let's get back to the argument that he's making.
He was making the argument that as soon as Trump said coal is back on the table, Russian gas prices tanked.
jordan holmes
Did that happen?
dan friesen
Well, I am looking at an official graph of the price in rubles of gasoline per liter in Russia.
And on January 30th, it was at 38.4 rubles per liter.
38.4.
That's right around when Trump was inaugurated.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Would you like to know what it was on the 8th of May 2017?
jordan holmes
I sure would.
dan friesen
39.29.
jordan holmes
Oh, it dropped like a milestone.
dan friesen
Nope.
It went up.
jordan holmes
It went up?
I don't know how rubles work.
I feel like it's like golf, where the more rubles you have, the less money you have.
dan friesen
It has never gone down since Trump took office.
The price of gas has just consistently gone up.
jordan holmes
Is nothing true?
dan friesen
No, nothing is true.
And you know what?
The thing that's kind of interesting is that the price of gas is trending or has trended downward since give or take 2014.
jordan holmes
Well, that's because OPEC is limiting or I suppose it's going down, and then OPEC is limiting their production in order to artificially keep it up.
dan friesen
Possibly.
jordan holmes
Creating scarcity for us.
dan friesen
Yeah, yeah.
And I mean, just globally, it's gone down since mid-2014 or so.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
But the price of Russian gas has gone up.
Nonsense.
Nonsense.
jordan holmes
Just patently.
So he just made that up whole cloth because it sounded reasonable.
dan friesen
It sounds great.
jordan holmes
It sounds great.
dan friesen
It's the same way that you said it's a good argument.
jordan holmes
I mean, it is a good argument if true.
dan friesen
If you don't look for numbers, it's great.
It's fantastic.
jordan holmes
That's a solid argument.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
I mean, the fact that all the other good stuff that he's done for Russia is still there kind of means that maybe they, even if it was true, maybe they'd be willing to take that trade-off of, yeah, we'll give you some coal jobs in order for us to have rampant control of your government.
dan friesen
Who knows?
It's possible.
jordan holmes
Anyway, I would take that trade-off if I was Putin.
dan friesen
Sure.
So I told you that without Roger Stone in tow, things kind of spiraled a little bit.
And I mean, we saw just there in the last two clips, he's made arguments that aren't based on any reality.
They feel good to him.
He's got to feel good.
Yeah.
Because this should be the day of celebration for him.
This guy has gone down, who was the bane of his existence.
He was the FBI director who was a compromised globalist.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Like, this should be big, but he can't.
He's still got to hit his greatest hits of complete lie narratives.
And it gets so weird.
Listen to this.
Listen to this.
unidentified
Okay.
dan friesen
This is fucked up.
jordan holmes
I'm going to.
At this point, I really don't have much of a choice.
alex jones
I have seen people go from being totally enthusiastic about Trump to buy about 100 days in.
We're now 11 days in.
Really being disillusioned with President Trump.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
alex jones
One bell weather example of that is that we were selling probably 500 Trump pence 2020 shirts a day until about day 70 when Trump started to go sideways with that bad health care bill.
dan friesen
So his bellwether is shirt sales.
jordan holmes
That's not a terrible bellwether, to be honest.
No, but it's actually a really good bellwether for whether or not his listeners are sticking on board with the Trump train.
unidentified
All right.
dan friesen
And something that's interesting is if you go to InfowarsStore.com, Trump Pence 2020 shirts, retail for $20, $19.95, are on sale for $4.95.
jordan holmes
That $4.95?
dan friesen
And have been pretty consistently.
jordan holmes
That cannot be covering costs.
That's them trying to get rid of a shit ton of shirts.
Maybe because the bellwether become the comedian who still carries around 200 shirts that say the dumbest thing you can think of.
dan friesen
Some punchline from his act from 10 years ago.
exactly so like the the idea that he sells i'm gonna be doing this joke until i sell all these goddamn shirts the The idea that he sells 500 shirts a day or whatever is pretty crazy, like in terms of quantity.
And if he was selling them for retail, that'd be a lot of money.
jordan holmes
What, 500 shirts a day?
dan friesen
20 bucks a pot?
jordan holmes
That's 10 grand.
dan friesen
Yeah, but if you're selling it if you're selling them for five, that's two and a half grand.
jordan holmes
A lot less than 10 grand.
A lot less for the very least it cuts into your profit margin.
dan friesen
For the amount of work you probably have to do to pimp that product.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
I mean, $2,500 a day, if we were getting it, great.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
But if we had to have a shipping department and make up these shirts, we'd be taking a bath.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's less great.
dan friesen
Yeah, exactly.
jordan holmes
I mean, for $2,500 a day, I feel like I would have no problem if it was you and me recording this show for three hours every day and then the rest of the day just fucking folding shirts and putting it into boxes.
unidentified
Listen, I'm not against it.
dan friesen
If that's our life, so be it.
We're also selling Trump Pence shirts for 93.
Undercut him by two six.
jordan holmes
No, we should buy them all up and sell them for 10 bucks.
Just sign knowledge fight at the bottom.
Scalping his shit.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Listen, if we ever do get to a point where we can make this a job, I will buy some of his supplements and do a supersize me thing with them.
jordan holmes
Oh, really?
dan friesen
I will do like a, I'll go to a doctor and use myself as a guinea pig taking super male vitality.
jordan holmes
Oh, Jesus.
dan friesen
All that shit.
I'll do that.
jordan holmes
I don't know if I can handle you with much more hair.
dan friesen
Jesus Christ.
If that is a function of the product, I'm fucked.
jordan holmes
Oh, it has to be Robin Williams.
It has to be.
dan friesen
I'm going to turn into cousin Id.
So the shirts a man are a symbol of disillusionment.
jordan holmes
$4.95 for a shirt.
dan friesen
So now he's down to like when things are bad, you know, he's selling much less than that.
Oh, that's too bad.
That's an interesting thought.
jordan holmes
I think he's right, though.
That is a really good bellwether.
Well, because if people are, because if people are still buying Supermale Vitality, that means they still buy into him.
If they aren't buying those shirts, maybe they're still on the Trump bandwagon, but they do not want to be advertising that.
dan friesen
That's a fair point.
That is a fair point.
Even though the Trump Pence 20.
Yeah, you know what?
Totally.
Totally.
Because I was going to make the argument that Trump Pence 2020 shirts have their own life.
They don't really.
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
Hillary for Clinton, or Hillary for prison shirts do have their own life.
jordan holmes
Wherever.
dan friesen
They have their own thing.
jordan holmes
Because they just can't fucking let that go.
dan friesen
No.
So he gets into this, and then he's, you know, at the end there, he's like, you know, that healthcare bill that went sideways.
Then he starts talking about Julian Assange and how he shouldn't be prosecuted and blah, blah, blah.
It just goes on for a bit of like his greatest hits of the things he doesn't like about Trump.
He has like those three examples.
But then he gets to something that I think you and I are going to be really offended by.
alex jones
And we don't want to end up like that, folks.
dan friesen
He's talking about Mexico and how it works.
jordan holmes
Jesus Christ.
dan friesen
Everyone gets shot there, man.
It's terrible.
jordan holmes
Well, Juarez is a tough place, man.
dan friesen
I've been there.
It's not great.
But he's talking about how so much violence, drug wars, and stuff like that.
We don't want to be like Mexico.
jordan holmes
Hold on.
You saw me.
You saw the twitch in my eye where I'm like, that's because we have such a demand for drugs.
God damn it.
alex jones
That's the drug war for you.
jordan holmes
We should stop it.
alex jones
Chicago.
The only place in this hemisphere more dangerous than Mexico City.
jordan holmes
Not true.
alex jones
Chicago.
People are fleeing Chicago en masse.
We got a story about that yesterday that was linked up on drudgreport.com.
dan friesen
As two people who live in Chicago.
jordan holmes
More people are coming to Chicago than are leaving it.
dan friesen
We have a net population growth.
Also, I don't know if there's a hemisphere shift within the United States.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Is there?
jordan holmes
So we got hemispheres, right?
So you got Mexico in one hemisphere.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
Then you go straight up to Chicago.
That's your central hemisphere.
But then you've got Canada.
That's your northern hemisphere.
dan friesen
Okay.
jordan holmes
Then you got South America.
That's your southern hemisphere.
Then you got your China hemisphere, and that's China.
Then you got Australia, which, coincidentally, is also part of the South American hemisphere.
dan friesen
You don't understand linguistics.
Hemi means half.
Anyway, listen, the United States is all in the same hemisphere.
jordan holmes
It goes without saying that you don't want your national security advisor compromised by the Russians.
dan friesen
In terms of murder rates.
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
Chicago is eighth in the United States.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Eighth in the United States after St. Louis coming in at number one with almost a double murder rate.
jordan holmes
This is like per 100,000 people or whatever.
It's not.
dan friesen
No, but yeah.
jordan holmes
It's not total number of murders.
dan friesen
But that's how you would evaluate it.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
That's how you compare things.
dan friesen
The number seems incredibly high, and it is very high.
It's way too high.
unidentified
Right.
jordan holmes
But it's 2.5 million people living.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
St. Louis is number one with 59.3.
Number two, Baltimore.
Number three, Detroit.
Number four, New Orleans.
Number five, Cleveland.
Number six, Newark.
Number seven, Memphis.
Then Chicago.
jordan holmes
Yet another reason not to live in fucking Cleveland.
dan friesen
Or New Jersey.
jordan holmes
Or New Jersey.
dan friesen
So, hey, Alex, Chicago's our city.
How about you go fuck yourself?
jordan holmes
Yeah, don't shit on my city.
dan friesen
Yeah, especially come right with facts.
Like, if you want to say that the murder rate is too high, we agree.
jordan holmes
Yeah, we agree.
dan friesen
We could have that conversation.
But if you want to say that we're the most dangerous city outside of Mexico City, I also don't think Mexico City is the most dangerous city in Mexico.
unidentified
It is by far the towns are fucking.
jordan holmes
Yeah, no kidding.
dan friesen
Those places are so scary.
jordan holmes
The towns with constant conflict between our law enforcement, the multiple cartels sitting around there trying to get around it, also fighting each other.
Yeah, absolutely.
dan friesen
They're a disaster.
jordan holmes
No, there are, I mean, in Juarez, you can see the fucking bodies hung from highways.
dan friesen
Thankfully, I missed that when I was there.
jordan holmes
Yeah, no kidding.
dan friesen
It was years ago.
unidentified
Jesus.
dan friesen
So anyway, he disparages our city and he can go fuck himself.
But then he gets back to a topic he was touching on a little bit earlier, and he has more thoughts about it.
alex jones
So again, you're selling 500 shirts a day, and isn't about selling the shirts.
jordan holmes
It is.
alex jones
It's a bellwether.
And then you start selling 30, 40, 50 a day after he starts going sideways.
Listen, we need.
jordan holmes
They're also selling a murder.
alex jones
Winner Patriots.
jordan holmes
Because in the sunside way, they loved Merlot.
alex jones
If you really think Trump isn't moving the ball down the field by light years, if you don't see the enemy is absolutely crapping their drawers, they also sell.
If you don't see the fact that global corporate crony capitalism is a nightmare system and the Trump's opposing it and using that system to our advantage now, then you're not paying attention.
jordan holmes
They also sell a sundial soap bar.
dan friesen
But like, do you hear that?
Like, if you don't see that Trump is secretly doing great things, then you're not paying attention.
unidentified
Absolutely.
dan friesen
My man, I'm paying attention, and I'm ready to see the truth.
And it just, your facts aren't there.
unidentified
Alex.
jordan holmes
So it's obviously his facts aren't there.
That's not what we're here to.
I mean, in all honesty, if you've listened to this podcast once, you know Alex Jones is constantly, always lying.
He's always putting together a false narrative.
Yeah.
I think today what I'm seeing is he is not lying.
He is creating a completely alternate universe.
dan friesen
But it's an alternate universe that all of his lies already existed in.
Well, it's all that globalist narrative universe.
jordan holmes
Yeah, but I mean, we're talking parallel universe, like Futurama style, a flip of the coin kind of situation, because it's direct.
It's direct one-to-one.
This is true, so I'm going to say the opposite.
And it's across every single thing.
Trump is being investigated, so I'm going to say that Hillary should be investigated.
dan friesen
Or prompting her investigation.
jordan holmes
Yeah, exactly.
Even though they're blocking Trump.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
Or, you know, Trump is becoming an authoritarian dictator.
So I'm going to say that the Democrats are trying to become authoritarian dictators.
dan friesen
And he has to usurp some of those moves in order to squelch their authoritarian.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
It is this whole constant thing where you are doing your best to divorce every single listener from reality.
dan friesen
You're wrong, though.
I'm wrong?
I think so.
And I don't mean to be rude.
I apologize.
jordan holmes
No, no, no, no.
unidentified
I get it.
jordan holmes
I'm the Roger Stone today.
I might as well get a tattoo of Hillary's face on.
unidentified
Hold on, hold on.
dan friesen
I'll let you finish.
But the reason that I think you're wrong is because the parallel universe theory of what he's saying is fanciful in some ways.
He's still trying to skew people who live within this universe.
I don't know if I'm making too fine a distinction, or at least in what I think.
Because just because he's lying about what's going on doesn't mean you might be right.
There's a point.
There's a point I want to make, but I'm not sure it.
jordan holmes
It tracks?
dan friesen
It's not that it doesn't track.
I'm not sure how to articulate it, and I'm not sure it's that much different than what you're saying.
jordan holmes
I don't think you're wrong when you say he's trying to convince people who still live in this universe, but it is driving people towards priming people for the argument.
dan friesen
But don't you understand that that's what propaganda is?
jordan holmes
No, I do.
I do.
But this is complete.
Yeah.
This is not we're picking on one thing and we're using it.
dan friesen
But honestly, that's no different than a lot of the episodes we've done.
He does that.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's true, but it's a propagandist.
I know, but it just seems total this time.
It just seems like he is completely divorced.
But that's completely divorced from the reality we live in.
dan friesen
But that's true.
jordan holmes
He's not bothering to put any semblance of.
dan friesen
Because you know what probably happened in that hour-long conversation with Roger Stone?
This is going down.
We're fucked.
jordan holmes
Might as well ramp it up to 11.
dan friesen
My sources tell me that we're fucked.
Something like that.
I mean, there has to be some awareness that, like, you can't fire the director of the FBI mid-investigation and think nothing is going to happen.
jordan holmes
I think there is.
Well, the reports from the White House say they were surprised by the backlash.
dan friesen
But they're just a lot of people.
jordan holmes
They thought.
Yeah.
But so is Alex.
unidentified
Sure.
jordan holmes
So are his listeners.
dan friesen
He's a little smart.
jordan holmes
So is everybody in the GOP at this point.
Every single human being who says, I am a Republican and I support Republican candidates is stupid.
dan friesen
I agree.
jordan holmes
Now, does that mean everybody who says they support Democrats is smart?
Fuck no.
unidentified
No.
dan friesen
No.
jordan holmes
Fuck no.
But it's not 100%.
dan friesen
We are not beholden to any party.
jordan holmes
No, my point being with the complete and utterly different universe, I think he's priming people for the argument to have with somebody who's not there.
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
jordan holmes
So it is always like, okay, and this is what he's doing, basically, by creating this parallel universe.
They say this.
So you say, instead of engaging with that argument, you say, well, that's not a thing.
This is a thing.
dan friesen
Me and Philly, Jordan Tyler Snodgrass, had a little conversation about exactly that.
His first time listening to Alex Jones on the show was his sense of it was, this is teaching you to argue with people.
This is giving you lines to say, what about this?
What about that?
In order to divert from the main points.
jordan holmes
I would have known that, but I fast forward every time Replacement Jordan's talk.
I just only listen to you.
dan friesen
Boy, I'll tell you what, our numbers back that up.
Anytime you're not on the show, poof, plummet.
I've learned my lesson.
Anyway, that's not 100% true, but I just want to stroke your ego a little bit.
jordan holmes
That's an Alex Jones fact for you right there.
dan friesen
Listen, every time you're not on Russian gas prices, tank.
jordan holmes
Fine, I quit the show.
dan friesen
From this point forward, through the rest of the clips we have, there's two polls that Alex Jones is fluctuating between.
One of them is rambling insanity, and the other is threats of violence.
jordan holmes
They don't dovetail together?
Not really.
dan friesen
That's crazy.
There's a tiny bit of overlap.
I'll tell you this.
It's mostly rambling insanity.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
This next clip that I'm going to play is about the globalists.
And it's about the power structure, I think.
But I have specifically titled the WAV file that I have here, the MP3, is titled, Doesn't Make Sense.
I listened back to this.
jordan holmes
That could mean that you did that on purpose, or it could mean you forgot what was in the clip and you were just like, that's fine.
That applies.
dan friesen
I fully remember what's in it.
It doesn't make sense.
I am going to say this is a Mike Down situation.
unidentified
Okay.
dan friesen
Because I think we need to parse this.
jordan holmes
Oh, boy.
dan friesen
I want to let this clip play, and then when we get back, I really want to see if you have any idea what he's saying.
jordan holmes
All right.
I'm going to take some serious notes here.
dan friesen
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Like, pretend you're studying for a goddamn midterm.
alex jones
Trump's getting a lot done that's good.
That's why they hate him.
That's why I'm supporting him.
And this Comey thing is so good.
It's good.
And we have to understand that the old Republican leadership, most of them are just a bunch of country club people.
They were put into power because they're yes men.
They're a bunch of lawyers who played ball for 20, 30 years for even getting to Congress.
And you look at all those cowards, Republican and Democrat, in the Senate and the House.
The old blue bloods that are in there, they are so scared to death of mainstream media.
They think Bill Maher's cool.
They think Stephen Colbert is really cool.
They think TV's impressive.
They think it's a big deal to be on the news, and they're all proud to be on CNN and Fox.
It's an embarrassment to be on those shows playing along with all that.
That's the old world, the old facade rotting, decayed.
Another big wind blows by.
It's going to completely collapse.
Much of it has already fallen down.
And so they really are scared when they get home that their wife or their husband will say, I saw you getting bashed on TV or you don't want to get called a Russian agent.
When that's the old, dying facade, Trump knows it's an old, dying facade.
It's the corrupt takeover for the last 50 years in this country.
It's illegitimate.
It's authoritarian.
It's anti-free market and anti-American fundamentally because it wants to mount our head on the wall.
It had to struggle for decades to get control.
And it doesn't like real competition.
It doesn't like strength.
It doesn't like honorable systems.
It's a ruling elite that want high-tech feudalism.
dan friesen
So that's the clip.
I saw you scribbling.
I love.
So, I mean, look, I know that it's about big picture that's about the globalists.
But the way those thoughts connected does not make sense.
jordan holmes
Okay.
Come here good.
dan friesen
Call me firing good.
jordan holmes
Right.
Yes.
Goes to.
And there's no reason why?
dan friesen
No, not given.
jordan holmes
No.
The only reason he's given so far is because he wasn't investigating Hillary.
dan friesen
And he's weird.
jordan holmes
And he's weird.
Right.
So, well, then never mind.
My question retracted.
dan friesen
Yes.
jordan holmes
It has been asked and answered.
dan friesen
Well, because he's not on the team, basically.
I'm using some subtext to answer that question.
jordan holmes
But yeah, it's not.
We definitely want our law enforcement branch to be completely and utterly subservient to the government, like most good democracies.
dan friesen
Absolutely.
jordan holmes
We definitely want them to treat our government as above the rule of law.
That's the best way to go.
dan friesen
That's sort of the implied answer to your question.
unidentified
Right.
jordan holmes
So then we go to old politicians, our country club.
dan friesen
But he starts by saying Republicans, and then he brands them yes men and country club people.
jordan holmes
Along with the Democrats, the old guard.
dan friesen
In the same breath, includes, after the fact, the Democrats.
He was just shitting on the Republicans, then brings the Democrats in.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Maybe the Democrats aren't country club people, but they're of the same ilk.
jordan holmes
Right.
Blue bloods.
dan friesen
Yeah, very.
jordan holmes
Blue bloods.
Sure.
They think being on CNN and Fox is good.
dan friesen
Yeah, they think Bill Maher's cool.
jordan holmes
Nobody thinks Bill Maher's cool.
dan friesen
I think Bill Maher does.
jordan holmes
Well, that's probably true.
dan friesen
That's about it.
jordan holmes
That's probably true.
dan friesen
Maybe whoever does the programming at HBO is still living in the past.
jordan holmes
Yeah, when that's actually an embarrassment, and old media, if there's a big gust of wind, will collapse because old media is anti-free market.
dan friesen
See, now there is where pronoun reference gets weird because he was talking about the media and CNN and Bill Maher and all this.
And then he says a gust of wind will blow it over.
Right.
Then he says it again, which if you don't reframe what you're talking about, the it refers to what it most previously referred to, which would be the media.
And so he's like, it is a system that is anti-American, anti-freedom.
But he's talking about globalism at that point, I think, but he hasn't delineated.
He hasn't made clear what he's talking about.
So the rest of it, you could think he was just talking about Colbert.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
But he's not.
jordan holmes
Colbert is anti-free market.
dan friesen
Colbert wants technological feudalism.
jordan holmes
That's obvious.
That's obvious.
How else will the late show remain relevant?
dan friesen
Well, technologically, we need to be advanced because we need cable.
Right.
We do need that.
But sorry, back to your point.
But that is an important part of the framework is that he's not being clear.
jordan holmes
He could be talking just about those old blue bloods instead, who are participating in a system that is anti-free market and anti-American.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
And they are afraid of being called Russian agents because their wives will make fun of them.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
They don't want to go home to their wives.
jordan holmes
No, absolutely.
dan friesen
What are you doing?
jordan holmes
They're going to be like, I heard you were called a Russian agent.
And they're going to be like, oh.
dan friesen
You cheated on me with Natasha.
Where is Squattle?
unidentified
Where is Musan Squattle?
jordan holmes
And then that's basically it.
That's what he said.
That's what he said.
dan friesen
Like, what can we glean from that, though?
What is the point?
jordan holmes
I don't know.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
I think it means I think what he's trying.
I think the overall idea he's trying to get across.
dan friesen
We have to use exegesis here.
unidentified
Right.
jordan holmes
Is that nobody's coming on my show?
I think that's really what he's saying right there.
They're all still going on CNN and Fox News, and none of them are coming on my show.
And they need to know that the old media is dead.
It's time to come on InfoWars, baby.
dan friesen
Listen, I got Eddie Bravo coming in.
jordan holmes
Yeah, exactly.
dan friesen
He'll still come in.
I got Jesse James, the alleged Nazi, coming in.
I got Ted News.
jordan holmes
Along with Sandra Bullock, alleged Nazi.
dan friesen
She doesn't come on the show, though.
I got Ted Nugent.
jordan holmes
Right.
Roger Stone.
dan friesen
Mike Cernovich.
Ron Paul.
jordan holmes
Pesobic.
dan friesen
So, yeah, that clip was a real mystery to me.
And again, I didn't take that out of context.
I didn't take anything out from before or after that makes it make sense.
I have no idea what he's saying.
jordan holmes
No, I think all of what he's saying is that these guys are going on those shows afraid to be challenged.
Whereas if they went on his show, they would absolutely not be challenged.
Nobody would be calling them a Russian agent.
They would have nothing to fear.
And so that's why they're cowards.
That's why they're cowards.
dan friesen
It's interesting because there's a high preponderance of people on his show that do have ties to Russia.
jordan holmes
But they would never be called Russian agents, not on his show.
dan friesen
Alexander Dugan has been a guest.
He is absolutely a contemporary of Putin.
He is a philosopher.
jordan holmes
Because he is called a Russian agent on Infowars.
dan friesen
That's a good point.
jordan holmes
None of these people would be called Russian agents if they went on InfoWars.
dan friesen
Jack Pasobiak, as we discussed on the last episode, has some weird ties to Russia.
Not called a Russian agent on the show.
jordan holmes
Nope.
Roger Stone.
unidentified
Nope.
jordan holmes
Roger Stone.
Hopefully, soon to be jailed, Roger Stone.
dan friesen
Also, Donald Trump.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Hopefully, soon to be hung from the neck in the streets.
So now, for treason.
Not because we start a revolution and then depose him violently, but because finally we recognize that treason is something that our president shouldn't be allowed to commit.
And so the only way to keep any president from committing treason ever again is to hang Trump in the fucking street on national TV.
I want six-year-olds to watch an old man die because that fucker is trying to destroy the world.
dan friesen
I don't want him to be hung, though, because then that butthole that happens in his neck might look like a pro-lapsed anus if he gets hung.
jordan holmes
I want it.
I want it.
unidentified
I don't want to say that.
jordan holmes
Give me Trump's pro-last anus neck, pro-lapsed anus neck.
dan friesen
But let's be clear.
What you're talking about is the fruits of treason, literally in the Constitution and in our legal codes.
jordan holmes
Literally within our legal system.
That is allowed.
dan friesen
But because we're doing an Alex Jones podcast, and Alex Jones will not stop talking about how everyone's calling for the death of Trump, that's not what we're doing.
I want to be crystal clear about that, lest we fall into a trap of Alex Jones' rhetorical bullshit.
jordan holmes
We are calling for the rule of law to be, I don't know, at all applied.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Period.
dan friesen
He should at least get punched in the balls for the China trade.
jordan holmes
So many things.
dan friesen
Anyway, I think that you're right mostly about the media being what he's talking about a ton in that last clip.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
But I know that it's about the globalists, too.
Because we get to this next clip, and I've titled this clip The Last Temptation of Jones.
alex jones
That's how the elites operate.
Come on, Alex.
We used to be like you.
We used to be romantics.
You're not going to succeed in this crusade.
You'd either be a star or fail.
The public wants to tear you apart.
They're never going to care about you.
They're never going to like you.
You can't help them.
You just need to join us and hope you can influence things for the better.
Being part of the actual elite.
And that's the speech you get over and over again.
That's the speech you get.
Do the right thing.
Family, Alex.
Just join us.
You can trust us.
We want to work with you.
dan friesen
So there's two more minutes of this clip left, but I want to be clear.
Already, I don't believe him.
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
He's already talking shit.
jordan holmes
There's nonsense.
I don't understand quite what it is he thinks he means here.
dan friesen
I know exactly what he thinks he means.
I can answer that one for you.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
He thinks, or no, he doesn't think.
What he's saying is that the elites, the globalists, have come to him repeatedly in the past and been like, this dumb InfoWars idea, you're trying to wake people up.
That's never going to work.
These people are dumb cattle.
They're never going to go along.
They're never going to figure out our game.
We publicly put in white papers what we are going to do.
And you don't even know.
They don't care.
They're stupid.
Don't try and save them, Alex.
Don't do it.
So they always come to him and they give him that speech and they're like, we'll give you everything.
Just come on.
It's good for your family.
Come be a part of this.
And Alex is like, nah, baby.
I'm not into it.
jordan holmes
I'm too real.
dan friesen
Right.
So he goes on.
He goes on even further.
But that is what he's saying.
100%.
And I can say with a 99% certainty that if that conversation ever happened, it was someone fucking with him.
jordan holmes
It would have to be.
dan friesen
I'm almost certain that someone trolled him in the past.
Like, remember that BuzzFeed article I put out?
Yeah.
That Charlie Warzel wrote and they tweeted out.
Yeah.
It starts with a discussion of how he used to have a public access TV show and there was a guy, I can't remember the guy's name now, but the guy, I think it might have been like Space Hitler or something like that.
This guy would just constantly call him and prank call him.
He would just fuck with his TV show.
jordan holmes
Space Hitler.
dan friesen
Yeah.
And so, like, I have to believe that early on.
jordan holmes
He's got to get Space Hitler up.
dan friesen
Oh, we got to find him.
jordan holmes
Oh, we got to find Space Hitler.
dan friesen
He's still with us.
He might be in Space Argentina.
jordan holmes
Well, he actually, he, you know, he killed himself in an underground space bunker.
dan friesen
Space Argentina.
Yeah, that was fake.
jordan holmes
That was fake?
unidentified
Okay.
I read it in the space white papers.
jordan holmes
I remember the boys from Space Brazil.
dan friesen
So, like, there's, I believe that it's entirely possible that in his early days, when there was sort of like his principles and his beliefs and his backstories of his own making were coming together, they're being formed.
I bet someone fucked with him and pretended that they had like deep information or something like that.
And they pretended they were deep throat for him and were like, we'll give you everything.
Just come be a part of it.
And then he.
jordan holmes
See, I would say what I would see in that, what's more likely there.
dan friesen
Hold on.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
I want to give, if that scenario is true, he probably agreed to it.
And then the guy was like, I'm fucking with you.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
But he realized it was such a good narrative device and decided to repurpose it.
jordan holmes
I can see that.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
That's possible.
dan friesen
That I believe.
Here's my idea that rich elites have constantly tried to court him.
I absolutely refuse to believe.
jordan holmes
No, no, no.
I agree with you there.
Here's what I would say: I would say it is more likely that he had some talks with Fox News or one of those radio shows.
dan friesen
I believe that.
jordan holmes
And they basically gave him the line: like, if we put you on a national platform, you have to tone some of this shit.
dan friesen
Oh, sure.
jordan holmes
Like, just that.
dan friesen
He's going to get us sued.
jordan holmes
Yeah, exactly.
Just like, hey, if you start saying shit about Chibani and we get sued for it, we're going to leave you out there on your own and we're not going to allow this to happen.
So that, to me, is what he would interpret as that exact scenario.
dan friesen
That's interesting because that is completely reasonable.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I think because he did, he is popular.
And anytime there's something with that kind of support structure in it, some network will be like, well, let's give this a shot.
Let's talk to this guy.
Let's set up a meeting.
Let's see what's going on.
Fox News, especially in the early going with Fox News, whenever they were turning themselves into the right-wing propaganda network that they are, they must have been looking at him salivating.
dan friesen
I mean, they gave Michael Savage a show.
unidentified
Yeah, exactly.
dan friesen
It's a disaster.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
So, like, I agree.
I think that's possible.
And I think that's the reason why he's been with Genesis Communications for so long.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Is that they are basically just a supplement and gold hawking network, and they don't give a shit.
jordan holmes
Yeah, so long as you sell these supplements, fuck yeah.
dan friesen
And I'm sure there's a piece of his contact.
jordan holmes
Say whatever you want.
dan friesen
I'm sure there's a piece of his contract, too, that is, we're not responsible for whatever you say.
unidentified
Oh, of course.
dan friesen
You take full responsibility for this.
jordan holmes
And if there wasn't at the beginning, oh, there sure was the last time they replaced it.
dan friesen
I'm sure his shit isn't going down for the Chobani stuff.
alex jones
No.
dan friesen
Alex and Infowars are on the hook for that.
Anyway, he says a lot more about his temptations, as it were.
And it's crazy.
jordan holmes
Punk girls, the cheery.
alex jones
See how it all works?
jordan holmes
The whole thing.
alex jones
Even a lot of our title people don't get the whole thing.
We could really use somebody like you.
And you're supposed to go, oh, really?
I can fly around on the private helicopters and jets.
He'll be part of this whole system.
And then I could be a vampire culturally and play along with the deception and wage war against my own species.
You know what?
No, thank you.
dan friesen
Very polite.
alex jones
And now here we are.
More than 18 years after I refused the first bio.
jordan holmes
No, thanks.
No thanks.
alex jones
And you can see we changed the world together and we're making it a better place.
And we're turning the corner because we believe in humanity.
We believe in justice.
We believe in prosperity.
We believe in God.
We don't believe in evil.
We don't use evil systems just because it can advance us.
jordan holmes
Yes, you do.
alex jones
Physically.
Monetarily.
Temporally.
jordan holmes
Yes.
alex jones
Because you.
dan friesen
Temporally means time.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
We don't use time travel.
What is he talking about?
jordan holmes
No, no, no, no.
So we don't buy into those evil systems that make us stronger physically, like some sort of super male vitality.
We don't participate in systems that make us richer monetarily, like supplements we sell, like super male vitality.
dan friesen
For absurd markups.
jordan holmes
We don't participate in things that advance us temporally, like supplements that make you feel like time is going super fast.
dan friesen
Maybe he's talking about tempura.
jordan holmes
Temporally?
dan friesen
Like the batter?
jordan holmes
That's some good stuff.
dan friesen
Anyway, sorry.
jordan holmes
Give me some deep-fried carrots and shrimp, and I'm good to go.
dan friesen
I cut it slightly the wrong part.
Here we go.
unidentified
Use that power, the ring, the one ring.
alex jones
The rings of power is an archetype.
You use evil technology.
You use systems of deception.
Knowledge of evil.
It poisons the world and poisons you.
And then you don't even recognize why you get more and more evil once you give into it.
It's because it's a virus in your soul.
And it's slowly taking you over until one day you never wake up and something else is running you.
And now you've given over your psyche, your soul.
It's like a brain transplant has been put into your body and you're dead.
dan friesen
He's literally just golloming.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
So insane.
Like, all right, man.
He can't really go on that long of a tangent without somehow finding one of his touchstones that is a pop culture thing.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
Like, he can't not reference a movie or a book or something like that.
The metaphor is thin in his language.
jordan holmes
The metaphor is non-existent.
dan friesen
Yeah.
But you know what?
I mean, we don't know these people, these globalists who have had their lives ruined by the metaphorical rings of the world.
And you know what?
Alex may know a bunch more than us because he has met these people and he has some thoughts about them.
jordan holmes
Does he have sources?
dan friesen
Listen, he's not going to tell you who they are.
They're Donald Trump's son, but he's not going to tell you who they are.
Yeah, he's met some of these dudes and he wants to tell you about them.
And it also is eventually going to get into Satan.
jordan holmes
Oh, good.
alex jones
I have been around billionaires, globalists, sellouts the system.
And they're like scared robots.
They're just like crazed, weird, fumbling morons.
jordan holmes
Crazed, weird, fumbling.
alex jones
And then there are people who are in the system but still have a soul, and they're totally freaked out and scared.
And the system's there to intimidate them, try to take their money away, try to destroy them, go after their families, if they dare stick their head up.
And Hollywood's the worst model of control and all the quote beautiful people that go there to be somebody.
And Hollywood didn't make them somebody.
Hollywood stole their greatness and then created a fiction around it.
jordan holmes
No one bought your script, Alex Jones.
dan friesen
See, it's 50-50.
jordan holmes
No one put you in movies, Alex Jones.
dan friesen
It's 50-50 that, and he just listened to Candle in the Wind.
It's one of the two.
Goodbye, Norma Gene.
jordan holmes
Why would you?
Okay.
unidentified
All the parameters had to say was that Alex Jones was found in the nude.
jordan holmes
So the obvious thing.
dan friesen
He's fucking praying Bernie Toppin makes a third version about him when he dies.
jordan holmes
Right.
Well, the obvious reason you would go after, you know, Hollywood is because that's the touchstone that your listener base is like, they don't represent our values, and I don't like being told by Hollywood.
dan friesen
Direct liberal Hollywood.
jordan holmes
Yeah, exactly.
You know, I hate being told by those liberal, elite, out-of-work actors what to feel and think.
dan friesen
But then there's the added bonus.
jordan holmes
It did also sound very personal, though.
dan friesen
Oh, yeah, he's petty.
But like, there is also the added bonus of the perceptions of MK Ultra type stuff.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
And the, like, all these people in Hollywood are just brain-controlled and sex slaves and shit like that.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
We should put together a list and put all of the people who might be globalist onto that list.
dan friesen
Well, I like this.
jordan holmes
And we should, we should, I think we'll call it a purple list.
dan friesen
Ooh, all right.
jordan holmes
Yeah, sure.
We don't want to invite associations with the old list.
dan friesen
Purple list was the, you know, purple is the king color of royalty.
unidentified
Exactly.
dan friesen
Cultures.
It was the most expensive dye back in the day because of indigo.
Yeah, very complicated color.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
That's why we had slaves.
dan friesen
Indeed.
All right.
This isn't done.
alex jones
Boof.
When they could have gone out in the world and built whole new systems.
jordan holmes
Like Hollywood.
alex jones
But they hadn't stolen from them.
But the devil convinces you you can sell your soul.
You can't sell your soul.
You can convince yourself you sold your soul like the Faustian deal, but never know you could get out of it at any time.
What?
The devil doesn't give you any of this.
jordan holmes
What?
What?
Wait.
dan friesen
Wait.
I don't get what's, first of all, so funny.
That made total sense.
jordan holmes
You can't sell your soul.
dan friesen
No.
jordan holmes
You can make yourself think you've sold your soul.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
But the devil can't give you any of this.
So, I mean, like, then why sell your soul?
dan friesen
It's almost like the devil isn't real.
jordan holmes
It is very similar.
dan friesen
It's very much like that.
Alex Jones is like, he's legitimately maybe four steps away from atheism.
That's a real question.
He's off the rails.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
He's two steps away from believing in crystals.
dan friesen
But he's talking.
jordan holmes
I don't think he'll ever get to atheism.
I think he will eventually be like, you know, these deep earth crystals, it turns out if you hold one in your hand, your wishes come true.
dan friesen
He's not two steps away from that.
He's one sponsor away from that.
If any crystal shop was like, hey, Alex, I'll give you $100.
Just fucking tell them that you like bees or something.
He's like, I'm in.
I don't even know if that's a crystal.
jordan holmes
No, a beezor is actually something that comes from the stomach.
It's like hair and all that shit.
It grows in there, and then if it comes out whole, it heals diseases.
It's like a panacea.
It heals everything.
dan friesen
I meant agatite.
jordan holmes
That is a much better.
You could have just stopped at Agate.
dan friesen
But so he was like, you know, he's talking about Satan and, you know, oh, this is satanic, and then you make a deal with Satan, but you can't sell your soul.
You just pretend you sell your soul.
jordan holmes
But hasn't he already said that all of these people have sold their souls and they are satanic and they worship Satan and because of that worship, they get their power.
dan friesen
Right.
Bingo.
jordan holmes
So we're.
So nothing is real.
dan friesen
Nothing.
jordan holmes
Nothing is real.
dan friesen
But here's where that sort of dovetails into Alex Jones.
One of the things.
jordan holmes
You can trick yourself into believing you made this Faustian bargain, but you didn't.
Because you can never know if you did.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
And you can never know if you can get back out of it.
dan friesen
That's all.
But the other thing is that, like, legitimately, this highlights for me the idea that Alex Jones has no coherent philosophy.
He has no intrinsic set of principles.
In the same way that two episodes back, we were talking about him, like, in his marathon, he legitimately said Trump was the butt-boy of a bunch of different people.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
He was talking about how Trump had lost it, and Trump was the butt-boy of the military-industrial complex.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
He wasn't saying that as a thought experiment.
He was saying, well, Trump's gone.
That sort of thing.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Now he's back on his bullshit.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it's super odd that his Trump Pence 2020 shirts have not been selling as well after he called him a butt boy.
dan friesen
Yeah, three days later, his trust in Trump has risen from the dead.
jordan holmes
Can we get more references to Trump as a butt boy?
dan friesen
No, that's not our purview.
jordan holmes
Listen, Donald Buttboy Trump.
dan friesen
It's implied.
We don't need to go through it.
But, like, you understand what I'm saying?
jordan holmes
I'm not taking him out of context.
He said it.
alex jones
It's true.
dan friesen
But you understand what I'm saying.
Like, he wavers this crazy line with Trump.
He's wavering this.
Like, I don't even know exactly what he believes about Satan or demons or any of that stuff.
He just brings it up a lot.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
There's no consistent through line between, like, what is your cosmology about demons?
What are they?
jordan holmes
Right.
unidentified
Because if he ever was nailed down on it, but he believes in literal vampires.
jordan holmes
Well, maybe not literal vampires, spiritual vampires who have all of the same.
Well, yeah, and he does say they drink crystals.
dan friesen
Because the adrenochrome.
jordan holmes
Jesus Christ.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Adrenochrome.
dan friesen
Yeah, which isn't a real thing.
It's a Hunter Res Thompson.
jordan holmes
Oh, boy.
unidentified
So, yeah, he does believe all.
jordan holmes
I don't know.
I don't know.
So I don't think here is what I would say if I was going to kind of like try and boil down into a kind of quintessence of what his belief system is.
dan friesen
Good fucking luck.
jordan holmes
It is whatever the fuck he feels like at any given point in time.
dan friesen
Totally.
Totally.
But then also it's guns.
jordan holmes
You know what?
That's a conversation that we did have off-air where it's like.
dan friesen
No, it was on air.
jordan holmes
Oh, was it on air?
unidentified
The only thing that he can't go back on is the only thing he can't go back on his face.
dan friesen
And I think that's true.
But that's why he's never nailed down on exactly what he believes about these various topics.
Like, he never is specific about who globalists are.
He never actually cites documents in the way that I have told you on this episode the specific place where I have found a bunch of information about clean coal not being real.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
You can go find that.
I have specifically told you where the document is that backs up my claim that President Obama vetoed a sale of a company that was trying to sell microchips to China.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
All of that stuff is concrete.
All Alex Jones ever says is blah, blah, blah, the white papers.
I've read their books, the globalist books.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Like all that stuff.
If you get nailed down to a fact, you're no longer slippery.
And I think that he could not exist in that environment.
jordan holmes
So here's a rebuttal to that.
dan friesen
That relates to demons, and that relates also to his position on Trump.
It's even fucked up that that is negotiable to him to some extent.
Anyway, sorry, go ahead.
unidentified
Blah, I can't even improvise a rant.
I just have to say blah, Sorry, go ahead.
Blah, No!
God damn it!
dan friesen
This time for real.
jordan holmes
Fooled again.
And I won't get fooled again.
So my rebuttal on that is he does have through lines, though.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
So he does have touchstones.
Now, if I was going to.
dan friesen
Most of it's bigotry, though.
jordan holmes
Well, that's actually just what I was thinking.
Like, you know how.
dan friesen
Most of the through lines, if you take the individual details away from it, are anti-Semitism, distrust of minorities, anti-Muslim, cultural fears, transphobia.
Absolutely.
But then it all relates back to globalists.
jordan holmes
Which, again, goes back to anti-Semitism.
And with the globalists, they're such a nebulous, non-existent negative force that you can ascribe any problem to them.
Sure.
Like, your gas went up, globalists.
dan friesen
Totally.
jordan holmes
Gas went down.
It's because Trump is fighting the globalists.
Yep.
Like any number of different things that are negative.
dan friesen
It's kind of a genius.
jordan holmes
Your coal job.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
It's a genius thing on some level.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
In our respect, we're kind of ham, we're kind of locked in to the fact that we have to fight against a real person.
dan friesen
I like it better.
jordan holmes
Which is why you have to do work.
dan friesen
I like it better that way, though, because when he says these things about, let's say, for example, Hillary selling the uranium to the Russians, I can look at him and I can say, haha, no.
You know, like, I know that.
I know that.
I can document that.
I know the facts of the case.
jordan holmes
You know what's interesting?
If we switched positions, I think it would be much more similar to the Alex Jones show, where I have just read a whole bunch of shit and I don't quite have it all locked into my brain, like linear.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
So I just start telling you things.
Like I would play an Alex Jones clip and I wouldn't research it on and be like, yeah, I heard in the Washington Post that this was wrong.
dan friesen
But also, fuck this.
jordan holmes
Yeah, exactly.
dan friesen
Yeah, it's possible, but then I would be the worst InfoWars guest because I'd be like, what are you talking about?
jordan holmes
That would be an interesting one.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Maybe donate to the show and we'll do that.
We won't.
jordan holmes
Please don't.
dan friesen
But anyway, hey, I'll tell you what.
Alex wants to talk more about the devil.
alex jones
The devil was put in there in front of that, like a gatekeeper that you've got to make it through.
Instead of interfacing with the devil, this whole system, and having your destiny stolen from you.
Better go to break, come back.
I'm going to start taking your phone calls.
I've got a bunch of clips to get to as well.
If listeners will just commit to spreading the articles, the videos every day to friends and family and neighbors and community and strangers or just tell people about the local stations you're listening to or send in $100 to the different stations you're listening to or support their sponsors become a sponsor with the face of the enemy's attacks.
We've got to get to sign up for AutoShip at InfowarsStore.com for high-quality fluoride-free iodine slash loyal silver toothpaste super blue back in stock.
dan friesen
That goes on for like another three minutes, but like I snuck an ad in on you.
He was talking about the devil fairly passionately.
jordan holmes
You don't want to get your destiny stolen from you.
So what you got to do, give $100 to your local station.
Make sure they keep carrying us.
Give us, you know, buy some Super Blue.
Otherwise, the devil's going to get you.
dan friesen
Also, I looked into it.
He does have an affiliate in Chicago, but it's suburbs.
He has a suburb affiliate.
jordan holmes
So not technically in Chicago.
dan friesen
The actual broadcast strength of it barely reaches to the city.
So, I mean, maybe you could get a bad version of Alex Jones on the actual radio in Chicago.
But the idea that he says that he has, I'm actually, I'm engaged in some research.
It's very difficult to do because he is not lying.
He doesn't have a list of his current affiliates.
jordan holmes
No, of course not.
dan friesen
I looked into the code on the website.
That's right.
That's right, I did.
jordan holmes
Holy shit!
You've got to find you a girlfriend.
dan friesen
Genesis Communications Network has a list of affiliates that broadcast the Alex Jones show.
And that's something we discussed on our fourth episode.
unidentified
Yes.
dan friesen
I looked into the code on that website because I was like, when's the last time this has been updated?
And I found in the code, last time it was updated was 2015.
jordan holmes
Really?
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
That's not good.
dan friesen
No, so the number is actually off.
So I think I've started to engage in a little bit of research going through the top radio markets and trying to find out where the actual radio stations are.
Because you can find it.
Every radio station has a website and they have their schedules on it.
jordan holmes
Right, of course.
dan friesen
It just is kind of a complicated process of figuring out the stations in each city.
jordan holmes
Yeah, and it takes forever.
dan friesen
And so I started with Chicago, and I found that the station that supposedly caters to Chicago, the third largest radio market in the United States, is based out of the suburbs and barely gets to the city.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
So that is even a lie.
Like, even that is a lie, but I'm excited.
unidentified
His listeners have to all be rural, basically.
dan friesen
Rural or bourbon.
unidentified
Rural.
dan friesen
Rural or bourbon.
Like the rural juror.
Those suburban.
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
But yeah, so I'm excited to give you the results of that investigation as it comes.
Oh, also, I started an email address.
The only thing I've done with this email address is I've signed up for the InfoWars newsletter because I want to see if they sell my information and I start getting spam.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
And something that's kind of interesting, it's been about like three weeks since I signed up for it.
Nothing.
I've gotten nothing except from Alex Jones.
jordan holmes
Really?
dan friesen
Yeah, but the first thing.
jordan holmes
So this is really just a true believer kind of mail list.
dan friesen
But the first thing that I got from Alex Jones is an automated message.
Your InfoWars newsletter subscription and free e-book has arrived.
jordan holmes
Free e-book.
dan friesen
Now, this is something that he doesn't sell.
This is something you can only get automatically get.
You don't know you're getting it.
But if you sign up for the email list, you get it.
You know what it's called?
The keys to survival.
Okay.
unidentified
All right.
dan friesen
I'll read you the description of it.
You can download this free PDF.
One need only take a mere glance at the day's financial and political headlines to see historic events unfolding all around us.
jordan holmes
True.
dan friesen
Regardless of political affiliation, more and more people across the globe are beginning to question not only their own futures, but the futures of their friends and family as well.
jordan holmes
True.
dan friesen
In light of these uncertain times, InfoWars has reached out to numerous experts in the fields of finance, health, and more to bring you, the InfoWarriors, exclusive information for preparing for potential disaster.
He immediately sends you a doomsday prep e-book.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And I haven't.
jordan holmes
Have you read it?
dan friesen
I haven't yet, but I'm certain most of it has to do with selling his food.
Like his survival food.
jordan holmes
You think so?
dan friesen
Oh, yeah.
I'm positive that's an ad.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
But anyway, I digress.
jordan holmes
God, I. How cool.
Well, not cool.
How ironic would it be if that was the blueprint for surviving in the coming apocalypse?
Like, if you read it and you're like, this is good advice.
This is good advice.
And then you start taking all of it and then you survive because of that.
And I'm sitting over here like, Alex Jones is silly.
There's no reason there.
But it does feel like the world is coming to an end.
dan friesen
Sure.
That part, the premise isn't that flawed, but the argument is.
Again, we're back to that premise argument distinction.
Well, I mean, if you really want, look.
jordan holmes
Stock up on survival food.
That's all I'm saying.
dan friesen
Dude, if you want to talk about how maybe Alex is right, I posit this next clip as evidence that you should shut your goddamn mouth.
Because this is like, I know that we've talked about chimeras and what have you with their sad human eyes.
The fish people.
alex jones
Yes.
dan friesen
This is kind of weirder.
alex jones
We're not in Kansas anymore.
We're in the year 2017.
The globalist technology 2050.
They already believe they have sentient AI computers.
Let's just say they're good enough to fool top engineers.
But it doesn't matter if they don't have a soul or aren't conscious because they're wired into billions of people's actions every day.
And they can build algorithms to track everything you do and predict what you're going to do before you even know it.
jordan holmes
That is true.
alex jones
The end of free will.
Total digital enslavement.
The de-evolution of man.
And they're getting us ready for it, saying no mothers and no fathers.
No family units.
unidentified
Is that how they're doing it?
No.
alex jones
Just take drugs and watch TV and just bliss out.
dan friesen
So, first of all, no one's saying no fathers and no mothers.
The idea, because that goes back to a lot of his trans arguments and stuff like that.
No one is saying that.
No one's saying that just because some people have differing identities, it doesn't mean that mothers and fathers are bad.
It has nothing to do with that.
The only time that I've ever heard any concrete examples of that is times when there are people talking about divorced parents, like single parents.
The idea that implying that someone has a dad when they might not have a dad, you have a single mom, like, oh, you know, where's your dad?
That could be hurtful to somebody in as much as they have an absentee father.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Now, if you want it, if that is his argument, there's a kernel of something we can go from there.
jordan holmes
I guess.
dan friesen
But the idea of like, you know, trans identities and differing gender non-binary stuff is being like, no mothers, no fathers, no families.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
Incredibly stupid.
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
Incredibly stupid.
jordan holmes
Well, the thing about him is he's not wrong about the AI trying to predict what you do.
dan friesen
Shut up.
jordan holmes
Now, I'll tell you why.
I'll tell you why.
dan friesen
It's not important.
jordan holmes
Because of the Mercer family.
That is Cambridge Analytica.
That is what they're trying to do.
dan friesen
That is Jared Kushner.
That is Steve Bannon.
jordan holmes
Exactly what they're trying to do.
dan friesen
It was more Steve Bannon than Kushner.
jordan holmes
No, it's the Mercers.
dan friesen
Yeah, but yeah, Bannon is deeply involved with the Mercers.
jordan holmes
Oh, absolutely.
But yeah, frankly, fucking everybody is deeply involved.
dan friesen
We shouldn't be talking about Cambridge anyway.
We don't want any of that nonsense.
They are fucked up.
jordan holmes
They are insane.
dan friesen
So this clip isn't nearly done, and it gets way worse.
unidentified
Okay.
alex jones
And you're journeying towards species extinction will be complete.
Very selfish move.
The people around the planet are creating new species as fast as they can every few hours.
jordan holmes
Guys, killing the human race.
Dick move.
alex jones
A new species.
A new species of virus.
A new species of bacteria.
A new species of animal slash plant slash insectoid.
Slash silicon.
It's already here.
Synthetic nanotech humanoids.
Yeah, the robot cats were back in the 60s.
The robot rats were in the 80s.
The robot roaches in the 70s.
Beyond robots now, boys and girls.
jordan holmes
Why did they start with cats?
alex jones
I don't know.
unidentified
Why would you start with cats and then go to roaches?
jordan holmes
Literally, everybody knows the progression goes, it starts with roaches and then moves to cats.
dan friesen
Literally, what he's talking about is that Russian spying stuff.
Like they were trying to spy on the Russians by putting a microphone in a cat.
Right.
That's not a robot cat.
jordan holmes
Like Ant-Man.
Yeah.
dan friesen
That's not a robot cat.
jordan holmes
Robot cats have been here since the 60s.
Everybody knows this.
dan friesen
It's not a robot cat.
jordan holmes
Everybody knows it.
unidentified
Wait, so they're trying to develop a new species.
No, no, no.
alex jones
They are.
jordan holmes
They've already.
dan friesen
No, no.
They're developing new species every hour.
New species of viruses, bacterias, animal/slash plant/slash insectoids.
jordan holmes
With silicon.
With silicon.
dan friesen
Slash silicon.
jordan holmes
Do you know how you're going to protect yourself against silicon?
dan friesen
I don't know.
jordan holmes
Deep earth crystals.
dan friesen
It's got to be.
It's got to be.
jordan holmes
It's got to be that deep earth iodine.
dan friesen
So I don't know if you remember this, Jordan.
jordan holmes
Do I remember it?
dan friesen
But about an hour ago or so in the broadcast, Alex Jones said he was going to open up the phones.
jordan holmes
Yes, I do remember that.
dan friesen
He hasn't.
But now he's about to.
unidentified
Okay.
jordan holmes
Are we going to get some calls?
dan friesen
No, they all stink.
All the calls stink.
But he's going to open up the phones, and then he sort of goes on a mini tangent.
alex jones
I want to go to Robert, Beth, Ben, Adam, Harry.
Look at all of you.
jordan holmes
I thought that was one guy.
dan friesen
He doesn't.
jordan holmes
I want to go to Robert Harry Jones.
alex jones
Why is this broadcast so hated?
It's the same reason Trump's hated.
jordan holmes
Because it lies on the bank.
alex jones
Because we believe in human empowerment.
We believe in free market.
We believe in open societies.
dan friesen
He's really hitting the desk hard there.
But you nailed it under your breath there.
It's because both of you lie all the fucking time.
jordan holmes
All the fucking time.
dan friesen
And in ways that are easily documentable.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
And I don't know.
I think it's incredibly frustrating because it gets to a certain point where you hear someone lie enough without consequences and you start to realize that the things that they're saying aren't really supposed to be believed.
It doesn't matter if you believe it.
It's just the act of saying it that's important.
And that's really fucked up.
jordan holmes
I think the main.
dan friesen
I'm talking about Alex and Trump right now.
jordan holmes
No, no, no.
Here's what I would say.
Because this is a conversation that I had with a family member when we were talking about I think it was climate change where they're like, how do you know that's true?
And I was like, well, because there's all this research, peer-reviewed, 97% of scientists agree.
dan friesen
Talking about experiments that are repeatable.
jordan holmes
How do you know they're not lying to you?
Ooh.
Well, because that's how we establish objective fact.
unidentified
Well, because experiments are repeatable.
jordan holmes
Well, not just that.
Like, how do I, because, hey, what if there's a giant conspiracy?
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
What if there's a giant conspiracy trying to do that, right?
dan friesen
To be fair, you play that game with me sometimes.
jordan holmes
No, I do.
But here's how I know.
Because my fucking phone works.
That's it.
How do you know they're not lying to you?
Because every time you make a fucking phone call, the call is routed to a satellite.
The satellite has to account for the fact that it's traveling at a different speed than you are.
So that means that because of that time dilation, we know for a fact that E does equal MC squared.
We know the theory of relativity is true because it has to account for that, otherwise it won't work.
The clock on your phone, because it is right, means that Einstein was right.
So whether or not you want to pull this research bullshit, here's how you know things are true.
Jordan, because they work.
Because they work.
There's a function.
dan friesen
There's a demon in your phone and it's tricking you.
jordan holmes
If you don't believe in climate change, then get rid of your phone because it doesn't work for you.
dan friesen
I have really bad news.
jordan holmes
The same math.
The same math.
You know how, Dan, you know how you've never been walking around and been like, oh, shit, who turned the math off?
I was trying to tip 20% and all I just kept writing was 404 not found.
dan friesen
To be fair, that has happened when I've been drunk.
When I'm out of the bar.
jordan holmes
Fair enough.
Fair enough.
unidentified
All right.
dan friesen
Someone did turn the math off the other night when we were out at the whip.
jordan holmes
That's true.
dan friesen
I might have over-tipped went crazy.
jordan holmes
That's entirely possible.
dan friesen
But be that as it may.
Oh, this is the bad news.
I cut this out entirely, but about 35 minutes of the show, Alex interviews a climate denier.
jordan holmes
God fucking damn it, Dan!
dan friesen
Yeah.
Apparently, Alex Gore.
jordan holmes
What?
Agnyvaxers, climate deniers?
What else do you want me to be angry about, Dan?
dan friesen
That's why I cut it out.
jordan holmes
What do you hate me for?
dan friesen
That's why I cut it out.
unidentified
I don't want you just blowing a gasket.
dan friesen
But apparently, Al Gore has a new documentary out, a sequel to Inconvenient Truth.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
And Alex is furious about it, and he interviews a climate denier about it.
jordan holmes
Of course, Alex is furious about it.
dan friesen
And it's really not worth breaking down.
Especially because it's outside of this narrative.
It's outside of the Comey stuff.
unidentified
It's outside of this rambling globalist shit.
jordan holmes
Other than, again, other than those bright, shiny keys over here.
Look at these keys.
Look at these keys over here.
I'm jangling these keys.
Don't pay attention to our corrupt felony committing president.
dan friesen
It's exactly the same reason that on the day of the shooting in Charleston, we may never cover this episode.
I'm not entirely sure, but I just listened to it.
The day of that shooting, Alex Jones spent, I would say, an hour of the show interviewing a lady who kept goats in her house.
And the city council said, ma'am, you cannot keep goats in your house.
jordan holmes
He interviewed her for an hour.
This is a state's rights issue.
unidentified
Well, no.
jordan holmes
I can keep guns and goats in my house, and I don't need a background check.
dan friesen
Her argument was that because of a genetic issue, she had to have a mastectomy when she was very young, and she couldn't make breast milk, and she didn't trust formula.
So she needed goats in order to make the milk because buying goat milk, I don't trust the sources that they come from.
jordan holmes
It's all nonsense.
I'm on climate change's side.
So she, I have, nope, I'm on climate change's side.
I want the earth to wipe us out.
dan friesen
Keep in mind that this is the day that that guy went into a black church and shot a bunch of people.
jordan holmes
I don't know why you would need to cover that.
dan friesen
Also, keep in mind, it's the day after I forgot about this confluence of events.
That's the day after Trump announced his candidacy.
jordan holmes
Jesus fucking Christ.
dan friesen
So those two things happened within that 24 hours.
And Alex spends his entire show talking to Goat Lady, who has a website, I'mprogoat.com.
So you ask, Jordan, you ask why is he spending this time on his show that Comey is fired the day after that?
Why is he spending an hour of it rambling about globalists and saying, I've been tempted.
They make offers.
That has nothing to do with Comey being fired or the Russia investigation.
You don't have any facts.
And then he gets into the interview.
And I'll be honest, the interview with the climate denier, if you take the climate denial out of it, was a spirited interview.
The guy was kind of fun.
He's wrong about everything.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
But he has a decent personality.
jordan holmes
Well, that's more than can be said for so many other people that have been.
dan friesen
Everyone except Rappaport.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Hashtag RappaportStill Lives if you're still listening.
Shout out to everybody who has tweeted that at us.
Way more than I expected.
So we got one more clip.
jordan holmes
From the Rappaport to the Rappaploor.
dan friesen
By the way, our sign-off is no longer where Policy Wonks.
jordan holmes
What is it, no?
dan friesen
It's Rappaport Still Lives.
There's no doubt about it.
jordan holmes
Done.
dan friesen
Fuck that noise.
jordan holmes
All right.
dan friesen
Done with this.
jordan holmes
We're done with policy wonks.
Now, since all of our listeners now who donate are policy wonks, that can't be how we sign up.
dan friesen
No, it's Rappaports.
jordan holmes
We have to sign off with Rappaport Still Lives.
dan friesen
We have to raise our glasses in ceremonious fashion.
Rappaport still lives, and then we waterfall our wine.
That's a really bad episode.
jordan holmes
Our episode, whenever Rappaport dies, is going to be about climate change.
We're not going to cover it up.
dan friesen
Let me be honest.
If, and I'm saying it if, not when.
jordan holmes
If.
dan friesen
If Rappaport does die.
jordan holmes
If?
unidentified
Yeah, if.
jordan holmes
Oh, that's right.
We have perhaps established that he is Gandalf and will.
dan friesen
Or might be a vampire.
jordan holmes
Or might be a vampire.
dan friesen
I've never seen him in a mirror.
jordan holmes
Nope.
dan friesen
Anyway, if he dies.
jordan holmes
Or he might be a Dorian Gray type thing, and that's what the picture is.
dan friesen
If he is.
He is the picture.
jordan holmes
That's true.
dan friesen
That's true.
jordan holmes
Imagine what the.
dan friesen
I can't tell if the picture is a young version of him.
I don't know.
jordan holmes
If he is a young version, he trapped with a magic spell.
dan friesen
Which is counterintuitive.
jordan holmes
No, it's a bad idea.
dan friesen
If he dies.
unidentified
Yes.
dan friesen
I will be fucking furious if I'm not asked to give a speech.
If I'm not invited to the memorial.
There is nobody in the United States of America outside of Alex Jones that cares about him in the same way that I do.
Now, I hate him.
jordan holmes
Right, right.
dan friesen
I think he's wrong about everything.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right.
dan friesen
But I want to hug him.
jordan holmes
If he dies.
dan friesen
I think it's just because we both have cross-eyes.
jordan holmes
This picture is not kept there as a perfect shrine to what Rappaport means to all of us.
dan friesen
That's the greatest conflict of my life.
Is it tribute to him hanging up that picture finally once he's gone?
Or spear tackling anybody who tries to put it up.
Like, on constant vigil the rest of my life is standing at a three-point stance.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Just like, I dare you.
Like, I dare you to die.
jordan holmes
Like the tomb of the unknown soldiers.
There should always be an eternal flame right now.
dan friesen
The flame of the Vestal Virgins.
So fuck all this noise.
Rappaport will die, and I won't speak at his funeral.
jordan holmes
Never.
dan friesen
We have one more clip, and this one is where, like, I know we didn't make this clear, but we drank a bottle of wine called Irony.
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
It's Irony Vineyards.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
And it's only appropriate because this is kind of an ironic episode.
jordan holmes
Pretty much.
dan friesen
Alex Jones, in his attempts to tar and feather Comey and make light of the Russia investigation is really showing his cards that he has no facts on his side.
He only has insinuations, lies, fake stories on his side.
He has nothing to back him up.
And not only that, he's ironically failing in his defense.
jordan holmes
Right.
Well, and by his denials, he is actually directly pointing to why they're being investigated.
dan friesen
Exactly.
jordan holmes
They should be investigating Hillary for this.
Instead, they're investigating Trump for the same thing.
dan friesen
Or way worse.
jordan holmes
Or way worse.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
So it's always like, here is what they should be doing, and it's the same thing they should be doing here.
It's never, it's always a complete parallel.
It's never like, also, I love the fact that there are no new boogeymen for them.
There's only Soros.
There's only Hillary.
That's their constant fight.
Well, yeah.
But that's what I'm saying.
dan friesen
But Hillary is a tool of Soros.
jordan holmes
Their fight, their constant fight is distracting from the fact that they can't actually get anything accomplished, really.
dan friesen
You know.
jordan holmes
Other than turning this into an authoritarian government that has no respect for the rule of law and that is constantly trying to flout it at every possible example, is directly compromised by Russian agents, is absolutely cowardly and incapable of protecting our fucking goddamn country from the fact that all of this shit is destroying democracy in America, all because they just want to get fucking tax cuts.
This is all for tax cuts.
dan friesen
But not out.
jordan holmes
The entire GOP.
dan friesen
But not out.
jordan holmes
He's willing to destroy democracy so we can get a 20% lower marginal tax cut.
dan friesen
You're talking about the real world.
That's not Alex.
jordan holmes
Oh, right.
dan friesen
Alex doesn't care about that that much.
jordan holmes
That's true.
dan friesen
His motivations are his insanity.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
That's what's crazy about it.
jordan holmes
I need to leave the real world at the door.
dan friesen
I understand the tax cut motivation way more than I understand Alex's globalist narrative.
jordan holmes
That's true.
dan friesen
I have been studying and trying to pay attention to Alex's globalist narrative.
And as best I can tell, it's baloney.
let's get back to the center the irony is what we that's right That's what we were talking about.
Irony is what we've already laid out.
But I want to introduce a further irony.
And this clip, Alex Jones loses it a little bit and expresses overt racism, overt hatred, and really shows that they've got nothing.
His side has nothing.
This is what they have.
Right here.
This is it.
jordan holmes
This is it.
dan friesen
This clip is it.
alex jones
I've had my cruise in Ferguson and in Austin and in Dallas already on New York and L.A. and in.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
If Ferguson is your first city, we're fucked.
dan friesen
Well, but there's a reason.
Hold on.
alex jones
Bakersfield is just everywhere.
And they're just there going, oink, oink, bang, bang.
How many cops?
Five is good.
No, six is better.
Seven is better.
Bang, bang, kill the cops.
And buses of offloaded college students, a bunch of white ones getting off sand.
Deck the halls of dead cops.
dan friesen
So all the stories that have come out about bussing in protesters and stuff like that have all been debunked.
All of the instances of that in terms of the paid protesters and dumb white people getting off buses and stuff like that are all spurious.
But then he refuses to engage with the idea that the reason that these Black Lives Matter groups and even the further black nationalist groups that are a little bit further on that side?
unidentified
Sure.
jordan holmes
5% nation.
dan friesen
Those people who are really mad, and I include white people such as myself and you, I would definitely assume in this.
The reason that they're mad.
jordan holmes
I'd never get angry.
dan friesen
The reason that they're mad at cops about these sorts of things is that cops keep killing black people specifically.
jordan holmes
With no repercussions.
dan friesen
They kill white people as well.
That absolutely is true, but it seems definitely, if you look at the statistics, they killed disproportionate and never get punished for it.
So when black groups, such as Black Lives Matter and nationalistic black groups, talk about killing cops, it's not so much they just want to kill cops.
It's an expression of frustration that they see members of their community get choked out on the street for selling loose cigarettes and no one cares.
jordan holmes
Totally and utterly justifiable oppression.
dan friesen
Yeah, and it's a total frustration with no, it's a justified response.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
It's a justified response to it.
And they aren't killing cops.
They are saying, fuck these cops.
jordan holmes
We want.
Like, here's the thing.
dan friesen
No one wants to kill cops.
jordan holmes
Here's the thing that drives me insane.
Do you know what they want?
dan friesen
Not to be killed by cops?
jordan holmes
Justice.
unidentified
Sure.
That's it.
jordan holmes
Sure.
Because here's the real deal.
If you just prosecuted these cops and made sure, because isn't that the whole point of all of these punishments?
The whole point is to act as a deterrent.
So if you see justice being applied equally, then you can say this is a deterrent to future cops killing black people.
dan friesen
Much like you're hanging a president is going to future.
jordan holmes
It is a punishment, but it is really just don't do this because there is going to be a punishment.
dan friesen
Well, and I would say further, it's a reason to it reinforces the reason you have rules.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Because if there are rules and certain classes of people aren't beholden to those rules, those aren't rules.
jordan holmes
It's an unjust society, which is.
dan friesen
And there's nothing really.
Like, I understand.
Look, I'll be totally fair to cops.
Sometimes a cop makes a bad kill that is justifiable.
This does happen.
You know, you're on a bust or something like that.
Someone jumps out in front of you.
You kill somebody.
It happens.
And the reason that people are mad at the police about these things are not those instances.
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
They are youths, unarmed youths that are killed.
jordan holmes
Children.
dan friesen
Sure.
I was trying to soften it.
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Cleveland.
dan friesen
Yeah.
There are children.
There are unarmed men.
There are unarmed women.
unidentified
There was that instance of Michael Brown.
dan friesen
I can't even remember the guy's name because there's too many of them that was killed in his car with his girlfriend while she was videotaping it.
jordan holmes
So many.
dan friesen
It's come to a boiling point where it's.
jordan holmes
Think about this.
Think about this.
dan friesen
If people weren't pissed off and saying, fuck the police, it would be insane.
jordan holmes
Think about how angry we are right now at Trump flouting the rule of law.
Now, imagine every single member of your family for the entire existence of your family, as far back as you can remember them being in America, being subject to that same level of injustice and worse.
And look at how angry we are now.
And this is really the first time in my life where I've had to look at the government and say, these people are affecting me personally and destroying me, as opposed to my entire life.
dan friesen
Well, that's true.
jordan holmes
Having a target printed on my back.
dan friesen
Let's be fucking honest.
Even for you now, it's still hypothetical.
jordan holmes
Oh, they're taking my...
I mean, they're trying to take my health insurance away.
unidentified
They're trying to take my health insurance away.
jordan holmes
They're trying to destroy it.
dan friesen
It's still to come.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's true.
dan friesen
It's still not really affected.
That's affecting you.
jordan holmes
No, and I'm not being detained at the border.
I am not being detained at the airport.
I am not being grabbed.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
None of these things are happening.
Nobody's raiding my house, and I am furious.
And all of this is happening to other people.
dan friesen
Alex Jones' inability to deal with the abstract and to deal with the reality of the world is really embarrassing.
Like the idea that he is just cut and dry, making it like these people walking around, they want to kill cops, liberals, blah, blah, blah.
I don't know how to put it exactly, but I would say it's an embarrassing lack of nuance.
jordan holmes
It's racist.
dan friesen
It is.
It absolutely is racist.
jordan holmes
But a complete lack of empathy for other human beings.
dan friesen
Oh, totally.
Let's get back to this clip.
Okay.
jordan holmes
Oh, we're in the middle of the clip.
I forgot.
dan friesen
This clip is, it gets way worse.
alex jones
And I don't like worship cops, but it was just any group.
Let's kill firefighters.
Let's kill teachers.
It's like, what?
I mean, I have to tell you, when I see people organizing saying randomly kill people, let's kill students.
unidentified
Let's let people know that's an armed force against fucking thinking.
alex jones
You know, as a man, you'll start turning like, that's an enemy.
And then they sit there running their mouths how they want to kill patriots all day long.
These people don't think we're not.
We actually build businesses.
We actually hire people.
We actually work 17, 18 hours a day.
We actually built this country.
And all you slap dog wins and communist dumbasses think you're going to keep running your mouth forever.
jordan holmes
You piece of fucking shit.
dan friesen
That's so dog whistle.
jordan holmes
Piece of goddamn fucking garbage.
dan friesen
I mean, it's impossible to hear that and not hear, like...
jordan holmes
White supremacy.
dan friesen
Yeah, essentially.
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
He couches it behind patriots.
jordan holmes
No, the earlier thing where he says this country.
Where he says, no, no, no, in the earlier clip that we got off on a tangent about, where he says, they're bussing in white people.
He specifically points that out, which is they're bussing in traitors to the race.
dan friesen
Absolutely.
jordan holmes
That's exactly what he means.
That's exactly what he means by saying they're bussing in white people.
dan friesen
I meant to get back to that.
I'm so glad you picked up on that.
Absolutely.
And I am.
This is the eternal battle with Alex Jones.
I know he feels that, but I don't know how aware he is that he feels that.
Because you wouldn't say those things if you didn't feel them.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
You know, it's in him.
That is what he's expressing, but it's not clear to me that he is consciously being like, they're traitor to the race.
I'm going to scapegoat them.
Like, I don't know if that's the case.
jordan holmes
Well, that's very complicated.
See, the problem there is that that's a basic Fox News dog whistle, though.
dan friesen
Oh, sure.
jordan holmes
That idea of their bussing in white people is something that they're putting out visually, if not explicitly.
dan friesen
But I think they're smarter about it.
They don't call out the white part of it because I think maybe their segment producers will be like, guys.
jordan holmes
Well, at least they try not to.
dan friesen
Well, Alex is not beholden to sponsors.
jordan holmes
If you go to Fox News, you can definitely find plenty of racist dog whistling.
dan friesen
No doubt.
No doubt.
jordan holmes
No end to it.
dan friesen
But not to a similar extent.
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
But yeah, that is totally true.
And it wouldn't track without the rest of that.
The idea that we Patriots built this country and you said it over it.
You're totally right.
Slaves built this country.
jordan holmes
Slaves fucking built this country.
dan friesen
Built this slaves.
jordan holmes
And if we don't.
Look, I'm pro reparations.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
100%.
dan friesen
I don't know what it looks like, but yeah, agreed.
jordan holmes
Give black people all the money.
Sure.
And then let's go from there.
That's my advice.
dan friesen
I think we need some more nuance to that.
jordan holmes
With interest.
dan friesen
I'm going to tentatively sign off on that.
jordan holmes
What's our national budget?
Like two some trillion dollars?
dan friesen
I don't know.
jordan holmes
Give it all to them.
dan friesen
Fine.
Listen.
jordan holmes
No, so here's my.
dan friesen
I don't like that my sort of way to transition is just saying, listen, because sometimes I don't have something to say after that.
jordan holmes
Here's what I will shit.
No, here's what I'll say.
As a road comic, and this is something that I find after shows all the time, is that old white dudes will come out to me after the show and be like, hey, you were really funny.
Let me tell you a joke.
And then they'll tell me this racist joke.
dan friesen
A street joke.
unidentified
Because they think it's a team.
jordan holmes
They think the white race is a team.
They don't think explicitly that they're being racist.
They just assume.
They just, like, just without even, without consciously thinking about it, they're just like, oh, you're white.
You're on my team.
I wouldn't say this to my black friend, but it's okay to say it to you because we're on the same side.
dan friesen
Yep.
jordan holmes
And that's to me what that kind of dog whistly racism is.
He doesn't even think about it.
It's just there.
It's just there.
It's just assumed.
Laughing for the wrong reasons is what kills so many of my jokes.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
And you can hear it too.
Like when you tell a joke that you know is meant to lampoon and is meant to make people feel bad for actually believing this and you get those that type of laugh in the wrong way.
You're like, oh, nope, I'm part of the problem now.
dan friesen
Jordan, we got to get to the business.
jordan holmes
Let's get to this business.
dan friesen
We're way too far into this.
Okay.
So the rest of this clip is, I mean, I have to say it's even worse.
alex jones
You keep running your mouth.
You're going to run it right into six feet under.
And that didn't talk.
You see what we've done politically.
You sit here and push it much longer.
Oh, the physical ash is not going to come from me.
It's going to come from your actions, and you're going to get knocked upside your head.
The betas always need that, don't they?
They always take alphas being restrained as weakness until you find out.
And then you wish you hadn't got kicked upside the head by a horse.
The sad part about this is there's no pleasure in killing you.
There's no pleasure in running you over.
There's no pleasure in defeating you because you're stung.
Fuck.
jordan holmes
Because what in God's fucking name is happening right now?
alex jones
Keep enjoying the civilization that the Patriots built and stop bitching.
But I know you want that right of passage.
You want to piss on your betters.
You have criminal energy.
I know.
And so just keep pushing.
Keep pushing.
Because once You pass the demarcation line once you've gone past the point of return.
Once you've hit the event horizon, just remember you asked for it because you start a war.
It's one that we will finish.
Make no mistake, dumbasses.
All right, let's go ahead and talk to Adam in New York.
You're on the air.
dan friesen
Yay, Adam in New York.
I hope you had a great phone call.
That is terrifying.
It's impotent, but it's terrifying.
jordan holmes
I took my headphones off.
dan friesen
You did.
You had a moment there.
jordan holmes
I can't breathe.
Yeah, I mean, I really can't.
dan friesen
But can I take a step back and allow you to breathe?
jordan holmes
Please.
dan friesen
That's a desperate man.
Like.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
That's nothing.
jordan holmes
He's so.
That is back to what I was saying at the end of the day.
That's an empty, worthless threat.
dan friesen
No, I know.
And him acting like that.
I mean, first of all, it embodies tons and tons of racism.
But at the same time.
jordan holmes
And toxic masculinity.
dan friesen
Totally.
But at the same time, it goes back to the beginning.
He's shook.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
He would not be saying these sorts of things if it wasn't coming from a place of intense fear.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
He knows.
jordan holmes
He's a cornered rap.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
That's what he is.
dan friesen
The lawsuit stuff is catching up to him, and he's realizing this firing of Comey is going to backfire real hard.
Stone is going down.
jordan holmes
Flynn is going down.
dan friesen
Steve Pieczenik might be fine, but, you know, like his whole thing is done.
jordan holmes
Absolutely.
dan friesen
To the point where I started this morning Tuesday.
Wednesday?
It's Wednesday.
I started Wednesday really in a terrible mood about the firing of Comey and what it could portent.
jordan holmes
At 10 a.m., I'm sorry.
When the worried GOP Congressman finally was like, I support this decision, it was the most depressing.
It was like waking up and somebody saying, oh, by the way, democracy is over.
dan friesen
I'm still worried about that a great deal.
Don't get me wrong.
But hearing this episode made me feel a lot better because I don't think that this exudes confidence.
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
I don't think.
jordan holmes
No, this is pure fear.
You're right.
You're right.
dan friesen
And to me, when your enemy is pathetically spouting nonsense, lies, hatred, and fear, and not at all gloating about the idea that one of his enemies has gone down.
No, really.
That was not most of the show.
jordan holmes
i don't think he did any gloating other other than saying he's weird yeah other than saying comey is weird and and it's good that he got fired He is compromised by globalists and what have you.
dan friesen
Yeah, not a ton.
jordan holmes
But even that wasn't globaling.
That was rationalizing.
dan friesen
Globaling.
jordan holmes
Wow, did I say that?
dan friesen
You did.
Jesus Christ.
jordan holmes
Now I'm going to go.
But to me, when I listen to this, I it was a portmanteau of gloating and globalizing.
dan friesen
I felt a lot better, though, because I was just like, well, all right.
It's going to be shitty, but he knows something that we don't know.
And I think that thing that he knows is that a lot of his allies are in big trouble.
jordan holmes
So we'll see.
dan friesen
We'll see.
And if that is the case, it's kind of unfortunate because this show might be in trouble.
jordan holmes
Well, here's the thing, though.
dan friesen
We have backgrounds.
jordan holmes
Alex goes down.
dan friesen
Yeah.
We start to explore the periods of his life.
jordan holmes
Well, not just that, but the rats leave the ship.
Like, you're absolutely right.
They're going to rebel media.
They're going to all of these different places.
dan friesen
But we don't have to immediately start covering them.
unidentified
We can just go back to the good old days.
dan friesen
So when we put this out, it's going to be May 11th.
Right.
We could go back to May 11th, 2013, and do this show every day, pretending we're four years in the past.
We could just do that.
jordan holmes
Let's retreat inside our own false reality.
Sure.
I'm for that.
dan friesen
I'm not against it.
So, listen, if I could, again, I just did that.
Listen.
jordan holmes
Listen.
dan friesen
Listen, people.
If I had to summate, I would say Alex Jones is incredibly afraid right now, and it's very sad.
He's lashing out a good deal.
Some of it's pretty funny.
I'm sad that he feels like he needs to support Trump to get his t-shirt sales up.
I would say raise the margin on those shirts a tiny bit.
If you're charging $60 for a bottle of some of your pills, why not charge $8 for a short time?
jordan holmes
If you're charging $4.95, at least charge $7, right?
Yeah.
You're going to get more out of your profit margin.
You're just selling them at cost.
You can't do that.
dan friesen
In for a penny, in for a pound with your dumbass listeners.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
dan friesen
If they're paying five, they're paying $10.
unidentified
Exactly.
dan friesen
What are you doing?
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Just as a businessman, what are you fucking doing?
unidentified
Which he's supposedly a fairly good businessman.
jordan holmes
Or at least, no, not just that.
He is a good businessman since he's turned his lies and bullshit variety hour into a media borderline empire.
dan friesen
I think the odds are that someone behind the scenes.
jordan holmes
You think so?
dan friesen
Yeah.
But anyway, because he did it for 24 years before that without doing that.
That's true.
But anyway, guys, this has been super fun.
I know everything's scary right now, but please take some solace in knowing that Alex is more afraid than you are.
jordan holmes
Just like the Trump Pence 2020 shirts are a bellwether to whether or not his listeners are willing to publicly support Trump, the fact that Alex Jones is this afraid is a bellwether for this kind of alt-right backlash that is going to happen.
dan friesen
It's coming.
jordan holmes
Like, we are going to see a significant.
It's Newtonian.
Well, but for every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction.
dan friesen
And I want to say this.
Because we don't know classified information, we can't be fully certain of a lot of the realities.
Roger Stone does not have to have access to confidential information to know what he has done.
jordan holmes
Right?
You would hope.
dan friesen
He doesn't have to have sources to know the fucking transgressions he's made.
Right.
He could be expressing some of that to Alex, and that might be an explanation for some of his fear.
Yeah.
Anyway.
jordan holmes
If you would like to follow us on Twitter, it is at Knowledge.
dan friesen
That was aggressive.
jordan holmes
Underscore fight.
unidentified
Yes.
dan friesen
And if you're Jack Pasobik, please send me a DM.
jordan holmes
Okay.
unidentified
Why not?
jordan holmes
Okay, fair enough.
You want a DM?
dan friesen
Cernovich, send me a DM too.
Or Jerome Coursey, I'll take one from you.
I'll tell you what.
jordan holmes
Now, listen.
dan friesen
No.
jordan holmes
But I will say this.
dan friesen
Rob Dew, do not slide to my DM.
jordan holmes
To the other guys?
dan friesen
Jakari Jackson, send me a DM.
jordan holmes
Oh, Jakari Jackson, send us an email.
Knowledgefight at gmail.com.
unidentified
Yeah, or sure.
jordan holmes
We want to get into it.
dan friesen
Or you can check out our website, knowledgefight.com.
jordan holmes
What I will say, though, is fuck everybody else.
I want Rob Dew to go on iTunes, look up Knowledge Fight, and subscribe to our podcast.
dan friesen
And give us a one-star review.
jordan holmes
Oh, please do.
dan friesen
Finally, get a non-five-star review.
Suck it, world.
Yeah.
And if you want to donate to the show, you can.
We've got a link up there.
If you want us to time travel to the past and discuss the specific date in Alex Jones has passed, $10 a month, we will do it.
We got a bad one coming up.
jordan holmes
Oh, no.
dan friesen
Real bad one.
jordan holmes
Real bad one.
So our wonderful, supportive, policy wonk listeners are doing exactly what I predicted they would do, and they're trying to torture you.
dan friesen
Well, here's the deal: I'll tell you off air.
Anyway, guys, this has been a lot of fun.
jordan holmes
Listen.
dan friesen
This has been a lot of fun.
Guys, we can't thank you enough for listening.
It means the world to us.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Share.
Put us in message boards.
If you listen to other podcasts, recommend people who listen to those podcasts, too.
dan friesen
Spout it.
jordan holmes
Tell your friends.
dan friesen
Spout the bullshit.
jordan holmes
Tell your friends, let's fucking do this.
dan friesen
We're in a knowledge fight, people.
jordan holmes
That's very close.
dan friesen
Actually, Alex Jones is like, we're in an information war.
I can't use the exact same words, but he's right.
We are in an information war.
jordan holmes
That is true.
dan friesen
We have given some information here that counters his information.
jordan holmes
This is a knowledge fight.
dan friesen
Please send it.
Send it out there.
jordan holmes
Absolutely.
Spread this.
Yes.
I'm sick of seeing all of these Fox News lies just spread with no, no backlash.
dan friesen
I'm more sick of seeing people tweeting shit about Alex Jones that is not fully covering him.
That makes me more mad.
jordan holmes
That's true.
dan friesen
When I see someone tweet an Alex Jones link and has like 600 retweets, I'm like, we covered this.
It's already done.
People just got on board.
We know what he's up to.
Now, granted, how fucking annoying is it to get through fucking three hours of us talking?
jordan holmes
Hey, we're entertaining.
Give us some credit.
dan friesen
But it's still three hours.
jordan holmes
It is still three hours.
dan friesen
Anyway, guys, the big point of this is Rapaport still lives.
jordan holmes
Rappaport still lives.
alex jones
Andy in Kansas, you're on the air.
Thanks for holding.
jordan holmes
Hello, Alex.
unidentified
I'm my first Tim Caller.
I'm a huge fan.
jordan holmes
I love your work.
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