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May 16, 2017 - Knowledge Fight
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#41: May 12, 2017

Today, Dan tells Jordan about what happened on The Alex Jones Show on May 12th. Topics covered include: The history of the Chinese nuclear program How does Alex Jones feel about Muslim women being in pool supply shops? What does Alex think about Keith Olbermann? Really, this is mostly about how much Alex hates Keith Olbermann

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alex jones
29:15
d
dan friesen
01:43:37
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jordan holmes
01:11:14
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keith olbermann
06:44
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steve pieczenik
01:28
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Speaker Time Text
alex jones
Andy in Kansas, you're on the air.
Thanks for holding.
unidentified
Hello, Alex.
I'm a first-time caller.
I'm a huge fan.
I love your work.
alex jones
I love you.
dan friesen
Hey, everybody.
Welcome back to Knowledge Fight.
I'm Dan.
jordan holmes
I'm Jordan.
dan friesen
We're a couple dudes who like to sit around and drink red wine and talk about the wacky, wacky shenanigans of one Alexander Jones.
jordan holmes
Now, here is the thing about this that makes it an interesting, you know, conversation.
dan friesen
And make no mistake, it is super interesting.
jordan holmes
I like our hubris out of the gate today.
dan friesen
That's not coming from me.
I read it in the white papers.
This podcast is interesting.
jordan holmes
See, now here's one way of putting it.
You read the white papers.
dan friesen
I do.
I listen to the white...
I listen to the white man.
jordan holmes
To the white nationalist, yeah.
I, however...
Do not, and know nothing about it.
dan friesen
I watch Alex Jones' show every day, and you live a better life.
jordan holmes
I do.
dan friesen
So guys, we're going to get into today's episode, which is going to be insane and all over the place.
jordan holmes
Excellent.
dan friesen
We're going to be covering the May 12th, that's last Friday's episode, of the Alex Jones Show.
Before I do, I'd like to just give a shout-out to our new donator.
It's the first person who has not donated in their given name.
This is a welcome to the team, outblinker.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Outblinker!
You're a policy wonk now.
dan friesen
Welcome aboard.
Long time...
Listener, I believe.
jordan holmes
Absolutely.
dan friesen
I think might have been on board real early.
jordan holmes
Almost since the very beginning.
dan friesen
Yelled at you for calling Milo Yiannopoulos a Nazi.
jordan holmes
That is true!
dan friesen
I believe, if I'm not mistaken.
jordan holmes
I think you might be right there.
dan friesen
Anyway, we're glad to have you on the team of Policy Wants.
jordan holmes
What's interesting today is that we are drinking Liberty School wine.
dan friesen
I'm glad you brought that up.
jordan holmes
Which is very coincidental, or perhaps on purpose.
dan friesen
It's very intentional.
I bought that bottle of wine for today because...
I am going to take liberty-loving Alex Jones to Liberty School.
jordan holmes
Now, I would also say there is...
Trump is actually speaking at Liberty University.
dan friesen
It's a double one.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
You've got both.
dan friesen
Yeah, look, I'm not...
jordan holmes
Or at least we're drinking both.
dan friesen
I'm not a guy for single entendres.
You know what I'm saying?
I like multiple interpretations.
I like depth.
Poetry.
I don't like poetry that much.
jordan holmes
Nobody likes poetry that much.
alex jones
Not really.
dan friesen
Poets do.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Those poor bastards.
dan friesen
Alex Jones was in a weird mood on Friday.
He got into the studio and I think he started defensive.
jordan holmes
Well, yeah.
dan friesen
It usually takes him a couple minutes to get into super defensive mode, but here's how he chose to start out on Friday.
alex jones
I'm going to admit something to you on air right now.
I over-prepare.
I laid in bed last night for about three hours.
With an iPad reading news and watching video clips.
Then I got up at about 6 a.m. this morning and researched for a couple hours.
And then I got back to work and went over the latest news.
And my head is just spinning.
jordan holmes
Because of the Johnny Walker.
alex jones
One of the producers walked in and he goes, this is going to be an incredible show today.
Look at all these clips you sent us, the other clips we have.
It's incredible.
dan friesen
I gotta be honest, it is incredible.
jordan holmes
Oh, okay.
dan friesen
But not in the way that Matt thinks.
Also, throughout the course of this episode, we're gonna find that Alex Jones did no research.
He might have been up till three reading Breitbart articles or something like that, but he did no research at all.
This is gonna be so fun.
alex jones
Institutional crisis, meltdown in the government.
This is amazing!
And I'm just like, yeah, I know it's amazing, isn't it?
unidentified
Boom!
alex jones
It's amazing how good Trump is.
A commission to expose election fraud.
Now the Democrats are openly getting illegals to vote en masse.
Pence coming out and admitting that there's genocide against Christians.
Hundreds of thousands a year being killed.
Nobody would say that just a year ago.
U.S. steel coming roaring back.
U.S. aluminum.
U.S. dry goods.
U.S. finished goods.
So many good numbers.
But then you juxtapose it with all the bad numbers.
And we are in the best of times, worst of times.
I opened the broadcast so many times with that statement, and then stuff like this.
I watched this seven and a half minute GQ rant by Keith Oberman, and I watched it very, very carefully.
Let me tell you something.
Oberman didn't do this as a stunt.
jordan holmes
He didn't do it as a stunt?
dan friesen
He didn't.
He didn't do that as a...
jordan holmes
Did he do it as a job, perhaps?
dan friesen
He might have done it as a job.
alex jones
Yeah.
dan friesen
But so, here's what's great.
He lays out all these stories that he ostensibly wants to get to in depth.
And look, none of them are real.
No.
unidentified
Christians are, we're going to get into this as the thing goes along.
dan friesen
He's making the argument that Christians are the most persecuted group in the world.
I don't think he said that, nor is that true.
It's not true.
I don't care if Pence said it or not.
It's 100% not true.
jordan holmes
Of course.
dan friesen
And the premise that no one would have said it a year ago isn't true, because there's like World Net Daily articles for the past five years saying it.
They're all horribly unsourced.
jordan holmes
Every criticism of Obama eventually got to the, all he cares about are Muslims.
He doesn't care about the Christians being persecuted all across the world.
He's actually paying people to persecute Christians.
dan friesen
Yeah, so I looked into it a little bit, and I actually found a pretty interesting article, because he goes on to, and I can't remember if it's, In this clip or a little bit later, I think it's here.
So he talks about how the UN admits that Christians are the most persecuted group in the world.
jordan holmes
No, they don't.
dan friesen
They don't, but I looked into it and I found on UN.org a really interesting article from 2011 that talks about the persecution of Christians.
And I think that's the only thing he could be going on, making that claim.
And here, I'll read the headline to you.
jordan holmes
You are giving him so much credit for imagining that he has read this article.
dan friesen
The headline.
He's read the headline.
jordan holmes
Oh, okay.
Well then, yeah.
Now I'm on board again.
dan friesen
Christian's currently most persecuted religious group in the world, Holy See Tells UN.
jordan holmes
Ah, that's a very different thing!
dan friesen
The end of the headline changes it.
If you read the first three quarters of it, it backs him up.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
But, so, this guy...
jordan holmes
Christians' most persecuted group in the world says organization that would benefit off of lying about Christians being the most persecuted in the world.
dan friesen
Yeah, yeah.
So, Archbishop Dominique Mamberti, the Secretary for Relations with the States and the Holy See, spoke at the UN, and he went on to say that...
"The particular influence of a specific religion in a nation should never imply that citizens belonging to other faiths should be discriminated against.
I like where he's going.
jordan holmes
I like where he's going so far.
I assume that means an all-inclusive thing where every religion should be protected in the exact same way as Christianity, right?
dan friesen
Yeah, that is the point that he's making.
Good!
unidentified
But...
jordan holmes
I don't like the butt that you just threw down.
dan friesen
He also threw down this comment on the financial crisis that was going on in the world and throughout the Third World even to this day.
The Archbishop stressed that the economy cannot only function by market self-regulation and even less in accordance with agreements limited to reconciling the interests of the most powerful.
Quote, it needs an ethical basis in order to function for humanity, he said, calling any other non-ethical basis ingenuous or cynical and always fatal.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Again, absolutely correct.
He's almost as correct as Lionel is.
dan friesen
But the only article that he could possibly be pointing to, really, about the UN and...
Christianity being super persecuted.
If you actually read the article, it goes on to say that Christians are persecuted but should not persecute others also.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
And the free market sucks.
jordan holmes
Yeah!
dan friesen
So...
jordan holmes
Two very important things to say at the same time.
dan friesen
Alex would never want to read the body of that article.
jordan holmes
You got persecution in my economics.
dan friesen
Right, right.
So then he goes on...
jordan holmes
Also, that does make me think of that.
Like, every religion always pulls that.
Like, oh, we're getting persecuted.
I am less interested in how many people are getting persecuted than the net persecution rate.
Sure.
unidentified
You see what I'm saying?
dan friesen
Sure, sure.
jordan holmes
Like, if Christians are persecuting more than getting persecuted, you don't get to count.
Sure.
We want all of it to go away.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
We want no persecution.
jordan holmes
No, I'm against it, but at the same time, you know, fuck you.
dan friesen
Sure.
So the other thing that he got into there was that, like, steal.
Steel production's on the rise.
jordan holmes
That cannot be true.
dan friesen
It absolutely is true.
jordan holmes
It is true.
dan friesen
And it has been true every year since like 1950.
jordan holmes
Oh, okay.
unidentified
If you look at the graphs, it's just a shot up.
jordan holmes
Well, then it is on the rise!
dan friesen
It is.
jordan holmes
I can only assume that it's continuing to rise because of Trump's beneficence.
dan friesen
It has nothing to do with Trump.
It's just like a nature of there's high demand for steel consistently.
We need it.
jordan holmes
Literally everything he takes credit for.
Has been going on for the past 20 years or more.
dan friesen
Absolutely.
Well, that goes to this other thing that he was saying.
When he's talking about dry goods and finished goods, he's basically, I think, trying to insinuate what Trump tweeted out the other day about how China's going to start letting us sell things to them again.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Which is a deal.
jordan holmes
Something's been in the works since 2013, I believe.
Something like that.
dan friesen
And started to become finalized September of last year.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Under Obama.
dan friesen
Yeah, all of it.
It's crazy.
So, he has all this...
jordan holmes
Which is not to say that that's not kind of a common thing that presidents have done for a long, long time.
dan friesen
No, no, no.
jordan holmes
Like, there's always been enough, both blame the previous administration and then, you know, lodge your administration.
dan friesen
Scapegoating and glory hunting.
Exactly.
jordan holmes
Now, it's never been quite as blatant and constant as Trump.
He has accomplished...
Absolutely nothing but writing executive orders that will make everyone's life worse.
dan friesen
And get halted in courts.
jordan holmes
Yeah, exactly.
dan friesen
He's wasting everyone's time.
And money.
jordan holmes
Let's not forget he's wasting time and money.
dan friesen
Way more than anyone ever had.
jordan holmes
Ever.
Ever.
Just as fucking...
Flying to his fucking wife.
Just his fucking wife being allowed to live wherever the fuck she wants costs us millions and millions of dollars.
Her security detail, which, why does she have one?
No one gives a fuck about her.
dan friesen
Everyone knows this.
Let's move on.
jordan holmes
All I'm saying is get rid of her security detail.
Because think about this.
dan friesen
That's unfair.
jordan holmes
Think about this.
If she gets kidnapped or threatened, Trump wouldn't care.
Well, nobody would care.
I wouldn't care.
dan friesen
This is a good bit, but in truth, I don't think that's a good idea.
jordan holmes
No, of course not.
Well, actually, I don't care.
dan friesen
Are you being serious?
jordan holmes
I think I am.
Okay.
I'm 50-50.
dan friesen
In that case, I 50-50 disagree with you.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Because, I mean, she could get hurt.
Someone could target her, and that's not fair.
unidentified
I don't care.
dan friesen
Every First Lady gets security details.
It would be wrong to not give her one.
jordan holmes
I don't care.
unidentified
All right.
dan friesen
Well, agree to disagree.
jordan holmes
A lot of people get hurt.
None of them have security details, and none of them, or most of them, aren't monsters.
dan friesen
We don't know that she is.
She might be great.
Anyway, agree to disagree.
She's probably terrible.
I agree with you on that part.
So Alex has got this litany of bullshit that he's doing, and then, of course, he gets to, at the end, what he really wants to talk about, just Keith motherfucking Olbermann.
jordan holmes
Of course!
dan friesen
So Keith Olbermann had put out a video where he sort of says to all of the intelligence agencies around the world that we're in a crisis.
And the time has come that we need everything to come out in the open because, eventually, you won't be able to.
jordan holmes
Right.
It'll be too entrenched.
dan friesen
Yeah, this is going to become a thing where time is of the essence.
I am not here to defend Keith Olbermann.
Neither am I. I don't think he has a terrible point there, but at the same time, you really open yourself up to attack when you say, hey, foreign agencies.
Spill the beans on our president.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I know.
dan friesen
It's kind of the same thing.
jordan holmes
That would be a crazy thing to do.
It's almost like a goddamn president did it!
dan friesen
Yeah, yeah.
You open yourself up to that exact argument.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And that's why I would never defend that argument.
Right.
jordan holmes
Well, that's the interesting thing.
I do think about this from time to time, is what if you tweeted directly to the president, I hope some Second Amendment people take care of you.
unidentified
Hmm.
jordan holmes
Right?
You can imply that was a very direct threat.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
But, if you go to court for it, can't you just be like, he said it?
dan friesen
I'm quoting him.
jordan holmes
Yeah, exactly.
So, if you want to prosecute me, that means he's on the prosecution, too.
dan friesen
That's Mark Dicey.
unidentified
That's Mark Dicey as fuck!
jordan holmes
That's Mark Dice-claimation right there.
dan friesen
We gotta keep moving.
jordan holmes
Alright, I'm sorry, I'm sorry.
I'm already distracted.
I'm everywhere.
dan friesen
I'm telling you, this is gonna...
jordan holmes
Let's do this.
dan friesen
Alright, so he wants to talk about Keith Olbermann, and here we go.
alex jones
I know body language, and I watched it twice.
Last night and this morning, Keith Overman is completely mentally ill.
He is mentally ill, and he is dangerous.
When I yell and scream, it's because I'm angry, but I let myself do it.
Let me explain the paradox.
It's not an act, but it is.
It's how I feel, but I let the dog off the leash.
With Overman, He is completely out of control, calling for foreign governments to work with him to overthrow Trump, and then he begs the Russians to take Trump out.
This is textbook sedition, textbook espionage.
If I did something like this, I would be arrested within a day, and I should be.
jordan holmes
What if the president did something like this?
alex jones
And then I've got so many clips of professors today and yesterday, And this is the climate.
They're the danger, not Trump.
Not libertarians, not Christians, not conservatives.
dan friesen
So, he doesn't have those clips, and he doesn't get to those stories about...
jordan holmes
Although, technically, he could probably just grab some of the clips that I've said, because I think I'm pretty much there.
unidentified
Professor Jordan is really into white genocide.
jordan holmes
Or he's at least okay with it.
alex jones
Right.
dan friesen
And I think that any clips that they could find would be on that border.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Talking about, you know, the experience of African Americans in this country, the idea that...
Some white death is minimal compared to what's happened.
That I could see.
But anyway, hold on.
He's making this argument that fucking...
Olbermann is committing treason and espionage.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
I don't think most spies go on GQ and put out seven minute long videos.
That seems like bad spy work.
jordan holmes
It does seem like bad spy work.
dan friesen
It seems very overt.
jordan holmes
It seems like some John Posobiec.
dan friesen
Jack.
jordan holmes
Jack Posobiec investigation spy work there.
dan friesen
Wouldn't let him on GQ.
He's another gentleman.
jordan holmes
He should be drawn and quartered, though.
dan friesen
Quarteredly.
He's trying to figure out how to make that pun work.
So then he goes on and he's like, hey, you know what?
Conservatives and libertarians aren't the ones who you should be afraid of.
jordan holmes
Definitely not.
dan friesen
And this next clip begs to differ.
alex jones
Journalists as credited with undercoming mass voter fraud vows to aid Trump probe Project Veritas.
Trump launches commission to investigate voter fraud.
That's got him real mad.
dan friesen
Yeah, that does have him real mad, because Trump is not going to uncover any voter fraud.
jordan holmes
There really isn't any.
dan friesen
Not substantial, anyway.
And what that clip is talking about is that James O 'Keefe of Project Veritas has come out and said...
jordan holmes
I was just...
I just wrote that down.
He said journalist.
He did not say a name, which was like...
Oh, this is like a Breitbart dude, this is like a Posobiec dude, this is like bullshit all the way.
dan friesen
It's James O 'Keefe.
jordan holmes
The guy who's doing, like, what, seven years?
dan friesen
No, he's not in prison.
jordan holmes
Oh, one of those guys is.
dan friesen
Oh, no, that was the other, I think that was the other people who tried to smear Planned Parenthood.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, those guys.
dan friesen
But yeah, he's been outed as an out-and-out fraud.
He commits acts of journalistic...
Right.
He has no credibility, and the idea that we live in a world where he might be invited into that is incredibly scary.
And that is a danger to voting rights.
That absolutely is.
jordan holmes
It is never, ever about uncovering voter fraud, and it is always, always about making sure that people who don't vote for you aren't allowed to vote.
dan friesen
Further disenfranchisement.
jordan holmes
Absolutely.
dan friesen
And the guy who Trump has put on...
On the ball.
I don't remember what that department is.
jordan holmes
The Census Bureau?
dan friesen
No, that guy quit.
jordan holmes
Right, that guy quit.
dan friesen
The director of the National Census quit just the other day.
jordan holmes
He resigned in what?
Like, would you say, did he resign in quotes, or did he resign in protest?
dan friesen
I don't know enough of the details to say, so I wouldn't want to speculate.
But the guy who's in charge of implementing or looking into these voter fraud issues has been sued over voter rights issues four times by the ACLU.
jordan holmes
And they've won every time.
dan friesen
Yep.
We're going to get some real good stuff out of this, I think.
We're going to get to the bottom of what's wrong with our voting system.
We're going to fix it all.
Absolutely.
jordan holmes
Well, it's because three million illegals voted in the last election.
dan friesen
Six.
jordan holmes
Remember?
It's six now?
dan friesen
Fuck you.
It's ten now.
unidentified
No!
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Do I also have detention?
dan friesen
Yeah.
You got a Saturday detention.
jordan holmes
Oh no!
Not a Saturday detention!
dan friesen
You'll be cleaning the school's windows and...
I don't know.
Look.
So Alex Jones has introduced some of his narratives here.
Mostly that he's super mad at Keith Olbermann.
That is important to remember for later.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
But it's not just like he has these stories he wants to talk about.
No, he's overprepared for this show.
jordan holmes
Absolutely.
He spent hours and hours and hours.
dan friesen
Overprepared.
jordan holmes
Oh, that's how he always is, though.
dan friesen
This is what happens when he's overprepared.
alex jones
Detroit school to hold Muslim girls only prom.
Let me tell you something.
It isn't hundreds of thousands Obama brought in.
jordan holmes
Wait.
alex jones
Everywhere I went in Austin yesterday, including...
A suburb.
I went in two shops.
A Starbucks.
And then I went to Pool Supply place.
And there were like seven people in the Starbucks.
Three of them were young Muslim girls with hoods over their heads drinking coffee after school.
Then I went to Pool Supply place.
Same deal.
And all I'm telling you is, imagine if you were in Saudi Arabia, and in Saudi Arabia they were walking to stores and there were Christians and women with lipstick on and high heels everywhere.
They'd start physically attacking you.
But here, we're tolerant.
So I'm just saying, we're letting in people in mass that are not tolerant, that are the most oppressive, cult-like people on earth.
And it freaks me out.
You bet I'm freaked out.
You bet I am.
I got $3, ladies and gentlemen, and I don't like it.
jordan holmes
Wait, he's got three dollars?
dan friesen
Yeah, three daughters.
jordan holmes
Three daughters!
I thought he said I got three dollars, and I was like, well, you know, you're about to be sued.
You better get some more money.
dan friesen
Yeah, you're gonna lose those three.
But, I mean, we believe you that you're freaked out.
jordan holmes
Yeah, absolutely.
dan friesen
I don't know why you're freaked out by young Muslim women drinking coffee at a Starbucks.
I don't know, or a pool supply shop.
jordan holmes
Yeah, no, they're in the pool!
alex jones
Yeah.
jordan holmes
His daughters!
Can't buy one of those noodles without Muslims just buying all the noodles!
dan friesen
I do like that this could be a new stereotype that these Muslims love to swim!
jordan holmes
These Muslims are swimming everywhere!
You can't walk outside with them swimming in lakes, in pools, in oceans!
dan friesen
But taking all that fun aside, when you talk about Islamophobia, fear of Muslims...
He's literally expressing that there.
There's no other way around it.
Those women weren't doing anything.
jordan holmes
No.
And he's like, oh, these guys are in a very tolerant or anti-tolerant society, and we're very tolerant.
You're like, no, you just said you wanted to kick them out.
dan friesen
I would argue he is incredibly intolerant.
unidentified
Absolutely.
dan friesen
He's very close to the people he's making up in Saudi Arabia.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
But at the same time...
jordan holmes
Yeah, they have more in common than he and I do.
dan friesen
Like, this is an incompatible group of people.
There's holes punched in it by the fact that you saw them at a Starbucks and a pool supply shop.
Like, sounds pretty compatible.
unidentified
That makes sense!
dan friesen
Three Muslim women are sitting around in a Starbucks drinking coffee.
That's what we do.
jordan holmes
It could not be more compatible unless they opened their own pinata store.
dan friesen
Exactly.
Next to a cat shelter.
jordan holmes
Exactly!
dan friesen
That's under attack by the trendies.
jordan holmes
I like the idea that the Detroit school is holding a Muslim girls only prom where you're like, wait.
So are any dudes invited, or is it just the girls having a party?
dan friesen
Look, I didn't look into that story.
jordan holmes
Why would you?
There's nothing there.
dan friesen
I'm certain it's not true.
jordan holmes
Of course not.
dan friesen
This is one of these things where sometimes Alex's lies, you're just like, alright, I don't even care.
I don't have the energy.
jordan holmes
Right, right.
Fine, fine.
dan friesen
Just move on.
There's too much going on in this episode and too many important things I had to research that this one got left by the wayside because it's bullshit.
jordan holmes
You didn't research that?
dan friesen
Did not.
jordan holmes
I am freaked out by that!
dan friesen
How many daughters you got?
jordan holmes
Eight dollars.
Wait, no daughters?
No daughters.
dan friesen
No daughters.
Okay.
So in this next clip, Alex Jones, we're going to get through, like, probably six more clips or so, and then the episode takes a turn that I...
I'm going to give you a spoiler alert on it.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
I think Alex Jones is mad that he is not the press secretary.
jordan holmes
God, that should happen!
I can't...
Okay, look.
That's bad for democracy.
That's bad for all of us.
But I'll be goddamned if that wouldn't be the funniest thing that's ever happened before.
dan friesen
He'd last a day before he was in the bush with Spicer.
jordan holmes
Oh, man.
dan friesen
There's no way.
jordan holmes
He would punch somebody in the press pool.
dan friesen
Well, he talks about all these trendies and false intellectuals and stuff like that, and that's easy to do when your audience are idiots, and you're alone on your show, or you're only talking to people who have the same...
Dumbass globalist mentality that you do.
It's super easy.
Or Eddie Bravo is your guest.
It's fucking simple.
Like, when you have to sit down and have the scrutiny of the incredibly meticulous and intelligent press, he would be fucked.
They would tear him apart.
jordan holmes
Let's not give them that much credit.
And also...
dan friesen
If he sat down with that fucking Charlie Warzel from BuzzFeed...
jordan holmes
Oh, he would be myrtalized!
dan friesen
It would be a disaster.
jordan holmes
But the press pool is so far not really doing too much for us, considering they're being soundly defeated by the likes of Huckabee and Spicer.
dan friesen
They're not being defeated so much as they are just like, come on.
jordan holmes
Which is my favorite buddy cop comedy.
One of them is a beekeeper, the other one keeps spices.
It's an amazing show.
dan friesen
So in this next clip...
Alex Jones.
See, there's this interesting thing that's starting to come into the mainstream understanding.
People are starting to talk about it and people are starting to understand.
The idea of Russian active measures.
There are propaganda tools that Russians use.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
These narratives and talking points that are pushed out on Sputnik and RT in particular, both of those networks.
Are state-run, state-owned.
jordan holmes
They are the Infowars, but if it was all of the media.
dan friesen
Yes, and they push out narratives, and the idea that there are certain outlets in the United States that mirror those are what people are mostly concerned about.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
When people talk about fake news, a lot of it is that.
That's what they're talking about.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
Someone who has been on Infowars in the recent past, former CIA agent Larry C. Johnson.
jordan holmes
The foremost discredited CIA agent that's ever been on Infowars.
dan friesen
Possibly.
But yeah, he is someone who is incredibly guilty of appearing on Sputnik and RT and then taking talking points that are germane and originate on those networks and trying to proliferate them.
In US media.
jordan holmes
Really?
dan friesen
And he has done so on Alex Jones' show.
The idea that GCHQ, the British intelligence agency, was spying on Trump on behalf of Obama is a Russian active measure narrative.
jordan holmes
Really?
unidentified
Yes.
jordan holmes
Now, do you think he's being paid?
To spread these lies by the Russian propaganda machine?
Or is he just on board?
dan friesen
He's being paid in as much...
Well, I mean, he's always been not beholden to the truth, but he's being paid in as much as he is paid to appear on those networks, and he's banned from American networks.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
So there's that.
jordan holmes
He is being paid to...
But why would you bring that back to the States unless you were...
Well, if he's consistently going on these shows, then I assume part of his...
His verbal contract is spread it everywhere you go.
dan friesen
Possibly.
I don't know.
I have no evidence he's a paid agent or anything like that.
And we have documentation in the past of him just being an idiot.
jordan holmes
That's true.
dan friesen
So he might just believe dumb shit.
jordan holmes
That's possible.
dan friesen
And he is duped by this Russian propaganda and brings it over to Alex.
The reason I wanted to lay this out and explain it is in this next clip...
Alex is just straight up repeating Russian propaganda.
jordan holmes
Really?
dan friesen
Yeah, he's just laying out Russian propaganda.
jordan holmes
Wow!
unidentified
That is really hard to accept.
dan friesen
Well, it's something that you realize he has been doing a lot of.
jordan holmes
He has!
No, I know that part.
But the idea that you are so desperate for any information that supports your bullshit that you will accept propaganda from a different country.
Boggles my mind.
dan friesen
Well, I mean, if you believe that Russia is one of the only countries that's not still in the grips of the globalists, it kind of makes sense that you would see whatever their propaganda is as maybe the real truth as opposed to the fake news media here.
jordan holmes
I can see that as well.
If you believe that all U.S. media is fake news propaganda, then why wouldn't you believe that their fake news propaganda made sense?
It's topsy-turvy world.
dan friesen
Yeah, yeah.
So anyway, here we go.
alex jones
By the way, the media has this firestorm going right now that Trump admits that the Russian probe was part of Comey firing.
That's because he's being honest.
He said, yeah, it's his flip-flopping.
It's him thinking he's the boss.
jordan holmes
That's why it's a problem!
alex jones
It's him not investigating Susan Rice and her leaks and how he's been spied on and saying that the president is crazy that he's being spied on.
He is!
When it's come out he was being spied on.
jordan holmes
He wasn't!
alex jones
That's outrageous to have the FBI director saying that about anybody.
That's above him in the chain of command.
unidentified
No!
jordan holmes
He's not above him in the chain of command!
alex jones
He got nauseous that he may have helped Trump win.
All this other crap.
And Trump goes, on top of it, it's a whole Democrat narrative made up that I'm with the Russians.
They lost the election.
That's why they're upset.
They lost in the Electoral College, which is very hard to do, and gerrymandered towards them.
jordan holmes
That's not true.
It is hard to lose in the Electoral College.
alex jones
He's flip-flopping.
No, there's a lot of reasons Comey got axed, and Trump is tweeting out all these videos, some of which we've produced, showing the Democrats saying get rid of him up to last week.
dan friesen
So the parts of that that are really important are the idea that almost all of those points are just regurgitated Russian shit.
The idea that the election was faked, or there's questions about the integrity of the elections.
That's a narrative that's pushed.
jordan holmes
Hurt feelings.
dan friesen
The idea that Russian probe stuff is just because the Democrats lost in the sour grapes.
The idea that...
Trump was wiretapped.
jordan holmes
He wasn't.
dan friesen
The idea that Susan Rice is responsible for leaks.
jordan holmes
She fucking wasn't.
dan friesen
The idea that Comey said that the president was crazy.
He didn't say that.
unidentified
Nope.
dan friesen
So the idea was crazy.
He didn't say that he was crazy.
And then even beyond that, I mean, this isn't necessarily like a Russian regurgitation, but the idea that Comey was disgusted or nauseated by the fact that he had helped Trump.
is a horrible misrepresentation of his comments.
What he was talking about was that he felt nauseous that he had had an effect on the election.
Right.
unidentified
Because he is an apolitical figure.
jordan holmes
Or is supposed to be.
dan friesen
Right, right.
The office is apolitical.
Yes.
unidentified
And the idea that his actions had caused an effect on the election nauseated him, not that he had helped Trump.
dan friesen
Right.
unidentified
That's bullshit.
dan friesen
Plead idiot.
Yeah.
unidentified
But the rest of that stuff is just the thing that is just measures.
jordan holmes
The thing that is so dangerous that's going through the conservative propaganda machine right now is the idea that it's fine to fire him because.
Right.
me to not be beholden to any laws whatsoever.
dan friesen
Of course.
jordan holmes
That is the number one issue right now with the firing of James Comey is that if that, like he's And he said it.
Like, even Alex Jones was like, yeah, he was being honest about committing a crime.
dan friesen
About wanting this investigation to go away.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, exactly.
dan friesen
And hey, I can relate.
If I was Trump, I would want it to go away, too.
jordan holmes
Of course!
dan friesen
That would be very bad for me.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
But hold on.
jordan holmes
But again, the DOJ should be independent.
unidentified
Yes.
jordan holmes
The FBI should be independent.
Like, all of these things are, again...
Checks and balances that no longer exist.
As long as there is a GOP-controlled Congress that is absolutely willing to obstruct every single possible avenue, then there is no checks and balances.
dan friesen
Nope.
jordan holmes
Our system is broken.
dan friesen
And the checks and balances are really what creates the safeguard of freedom.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
dan friesen
And this is why we're taking Alex to Liberty School.
To Liberty School!
Beyond that, and we're going to get back to this, because one of the big things that he started talking about there, and it comes back up over and over again, is the idea that Democrats wanted Comey to be fired in the past, and now they're mad that he got fired.
And we talked about it on the last episode, but that's just reductive thinking.
jordan holmes
Both can be true at the same time.
dan friesen
Absolutely.
He's mischaracterizing what's going on.
Of course they wanted him fired in the past, and actually they didn't want him fired.
Every single example that he brings up is Democrats or Bernie Sanders, who he just throws in as a Democrat, saying that he probably should resign.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
They aren't saying he should be fired.
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
Because even back then, if he was fired, it would be pretty fucked up.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
It would be way more reasonable, but it would be fucked up.
unidentified
It would still be fucked up if Hillary fired him.
Totally.
jordan holmes
Because if Hillary fired him, then it looks like a complete...
dan friesen
It's vindictive.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
It's like retaliatory, and that's not what you want from your president.
unidentified
No.
jordan holmes
You don't want somebody who's going to consistently flout the rule of law.
It's a bad idea.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So in this next clip, Alex spins a...
Very, very bizarre metaphor that I'm not entirely sure the point of, but then gets on some bullshit.
jordan holmes
I love him spinning bizarre metaphors.
They're always so wrong.
alex jones
Trump got caught flip-flopping and giving different stories.
Like he's, you know, a teenage kid caught breaking into a liquor store at two in the morning and the cops catch him with a bag of cash and three bottles of whiskey.
And he says, oh, my dad works there.
Oh, I own the liquor store.
Oh, I found this money on the side of the street.
But that's not what's happening.
In an interview with no notes, the president's like, yeah, he's flip-flopping everywhere.
He won't investigate leaks.
He's not doing a very good job.
And this whole Russia thing is completely made up, and I'm sick of it.
And he told me I'm not under investigation.
jordan holmes
Three times.
alex jones
And he goes on to say, the Russians must really be laughing at us.
This is idiotic.
Why don't you investigate the Clintons?
Why don't you look at how they're involved with the Russians and the uranium deal?
dan friesen
Whoops.
He just won't get off it.
He's not looked into it.
jordan holmes
It's all he's got.
It's all he's got.
dan friesen
It's super insane to me.
jordan holmes
Not just that, but literally, the Russians are laughing at us.
They did it.
On national TV.
The guy was like, oh, is he fired?
That's crazy.
That's something we would do.
dan friesen
Yeah, Lavrov coming in and just cocking us out.
jordan holmes
Yeah, exactly.
dan friesen
From the White House.
jordan holmes
Which, if I was in his shoes...
It's fucking hilarious.
dan friesen
Yeah, maybe.
jordan holmes
The problem is, we're in our shoes where it's a constitutional crisis.
dan friesen
Yeah, the thing that makes it even more scary is that clip of the foreign minister, Lavrov, being like, oh, you fired the FBI director?
You kidding!
jordan holmes
Yeah, exactly!
dan friesen
That sort of thing.
It implies that they don't care if we know they did this.
jordan holmes
Why would they?
dan friesen
Well, I think that because if it does come out...
That they tampered in our election this severely.
We have to fucking kill all of them.
That's an act of war.
jordan holmes
It is an act of war.
Which is why I assume the investigation is taking so long.
Not because the evidence isn't found, but because they need to provide the evidence in such a way that we can acknowledge this.
Correct it and still maintain the Cold War instead of the hot one.
dan friesen
I totally agree with you.
jordan holmes
That has to be the only reason that all of this stuff is delayed.
Because there's no other explanation.
dan friesen
Yeah, because if any of it touches Trump, it's war.
It's war.
And that is probably...
You're probably right.
That's why it's taking so long.
Because if it just was like Manafort, just Roger Stone...
Those investigations would not be that difficult to do.
You'd just be like, alright, this is fucked up.
You're now a sitting duck president.
jordan holmes
Just the guys who retroactively registered as foreign agents is more than enough to be like, hey, you probably committed a crime.
We're going to investigate it.
Oh, it took us two seconds to find a crime because you...
Tweeted it at them.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
And they paid you with PayPal.
Like, that's how obvious this shit has to be.
dan friesen
They used Venmo and there has to be a note.
jordan holmes
Yeah, exactly!
dan friesen
You have to leave a note.
jordan holmes
We used Google Wallet to pay for it.
Like, of course!
Of course!
dan friesen
Yeah, totally.
jordan holmes
Also, that is a super specific simile of the guy being like, uh, yeah, you go into a liquor store and you got a bag of cash and three bottles of whiskey and you're like, wait, that sounds like something.
Did you do that?
dan friesen
Did you turn over a liquor store?
jordan holmes
What's going on here?
Did your buddy do that?
dan friesen
Well, I mean, I just posted this the other day to the knowledgefight.com growing biography of Alex Jones.
He actually got kicked out of school for a year.
jordan holmes
Really?
dan friesen
Yeah, when he was 15 or 16, he had to go spend a year on, quote, the ranch because he was fighting too much.
So go check that out.
jordan holmes
God, if only it was the ranch that all dogs go to.
dan friesen
Yeah, so you can go check that out on knowledgefight.com.
jordan holmes
You have to spend a year on the ranch is my favorite euphemism.
dan friesen
Yeah, it's great.
So this next clip, he yells a bit.
It's fun.
alex jones
Russia ties made up.
Yeah.
And then we know they wouldn't investigate them for their ties that are confirmed.
Because Comey, his deputy directors, all of them, a bunch of Democrats.
Give money to the Democrats.
They're disgusting.
They all got put in power.
By Obama!
And if you don't know that Obama broke the law and got rid of our borders and did whatever he wanted and sold out our jobs and created ISIS, and if you don't know that's treason, you don't know what it is!
And the word is, like, 85% of the FBI absolutely knows what's going on.
But it's the top is eight years of Democrat rats.
And Bush was a globalist as well.
jordan holmes
Sure, why not?
alex jones
So God help our country, we need to just clean house, people.
Boy, if Trump's a Russian agent, we need more like him, right?
Our military, our sovereignty, our jobs.
Give me a break.
dan friesen
That's what we call equivocation.
unidentified
If Trump's a Russian agent, we need more Russian agents.
jordan holmes
Let's just call it.
Let's just call it.
Putin owns us now.
dan friesen
Why not?
jordan holmes
Yeah.
unidentified
Fine.
jordan holmes
Fine.
dan friesen
Nah.
jordan holmes
We're part of Russia now.
Whatever.
dan friesen
Who cares?
Yeah, fuck it.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah.
That's called normalization.
dan friesen
Yeah, exactly.
Exactly.
That's super fucked up.
And then beyond that, he's legitimately expressing a desire to unilaterally clean house.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Which would be a culling of people who disagree with you.
Which is a coup.
jordan holmes
No, that's normal.
dan friesen
No, that's a...
unidentified
No, no, no.
jordan holmes
When you have a government with clear separation of powers, what you want is a single ideology in control of every single one of those.
unidentified
Of course.
jordan holmes
Acting in lockstep.
That's normal.
unidentified
Totally.
jordan holmes
That's exactly what you want.
You want zero disagreement.
dan friesen
That's how you get things done.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
dan friesen
Kings!
jordan holmes
Do you remember why this country was started?
dan friesen
To make more kings.
unidentified
Exactly!
jordan holmes
Yeah.
The first draft of the Constitution was, eh, just let a king do it.
dan friesen
Eh, who cares?
You know what else I realized recently?
jordan holmes
What's that?
dan friesen
The actual idea of globalists being in charge of everything that Alex sells in order to pitch his bullshit.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
That is literally a false flag.
Do you know where the term comes from?
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
The term is a nautical term where you'd put up your enemy's flag on your ship so people would think your enemy was approaching.
Right.
unidentified
And you would attack yourself.
dan friesen
Right.
unidentified
And it would make it to appear that this enemy was there and it would be to gain sympathy or create the conditions that you're looking for.
dan friesen
Right.
The idea that he says that a New York Federal Reserve Board member is suing him when that guy is not a member of the New York Federal Reserve.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
That is a false flag.
He's putting that flag on Hamdi Yulakaya's ship, and that's not true.
jordan holmes
That is a really good point.
dan friesen
He's doing that to create sympathy in the people who already are like, I hate the Federal Reserve.
He's using false flag sort of ideology and tactics.
jordan holmes
Yeah, the only false flags that he's right about are the ones he's actually committing.
dan friesen
Well, I mean, even saying that George Soros is a Nazi collaborator is a false flag.
jordan holmes
Absolutely.
dan friesen
It's literally putting a flag on George Soros' ship that's not true.
jordan holmes
Even saying that all Democrats are Russian agents as well, or whatever the fuck is going on there.
dan friesen
Sure.
It's interesting.
I mean, it does just go into that he's doing exactly the opposite of what he says.
So we've already seen in this episode overt Islamophobia, some weirdness.
Now how about we try on a little sexism?
jordan holmes
Oh, great!
alex jones
You know, Spicer's done some good work, but he's been like a deer in the headlights, so he's been replaced the last few days with Sarah Huckabee Sanders, who...
Isn't as good looking as a Guilfoyle, but I gotta tell you, she's super sharp.
jordan holmes
What the fuck?
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
How can you pull that shit?
dan friesen
That's pretty impressive.
jordan holmes
How?
dan friesen
Well, because he's an idiot.
jordan holmes
That's, like...
dan friesen
He thinks he's complimenting her by saying at the end, she's really sharp.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
Which is, I guess, I mean, that's a compliment, but he literally started...
The first thing you said about her...
jordan holmes
She's not as a...
Wow.
That's...
That is the patriarchy in a nutshell.
That's like, hey, look at how well she did for herself.
And she's a woman.
Did you know that?
dan friesen
And it's mindless and flippant.
It's just thrown, like, hey, who cares?
jordan holmes
No, no, no, it's normal for me to judge women by their appearance.
That's what their value is based on.
dan friesen
And if you told him, like, hey, that's weird, you said that, he would get mad at you and think that you're a pussy snowflake.
jordan holmes
Well, and that's because, in his mind, he was giving her...
The highest compliment.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
If she was...
dan friesen
You're great, and you're not even hot.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
dan friesen
That's amazing.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
How can you do that?
It's like a gorilla that knows how to speak sign language.
That might as well be his metaphor there.
dan friesen
He played a video of her on the show, and we're going to get into it now.
jordan holmes
See, again, listening, not seeing.
dan friesen
Yeah, and she has a nice down-home country voice, that's for sure.
jordan holmes
Oh, fuck no.
Wait, is she related to Mike Huckabee?
dan friesen
Oh, boy.
I don't know.
She's actually the love child of Mike Huckabee and Bernie Sanders.
I should have said Colonel Sanders.
I should have fucking said Colonel Sanders.
I'll never forgive myself.
jordan holmes
Bernie would be much better at the press conference situation.
dan friesen
Alex, this is where we begin.
Alex wants to be in the press corps narrative, or the press secretary.
Here is the beginning of his analysis of this press conference.
alex jones
Let's go ahead now and get to this clip.
Where she annihilates this guy.
Sarah Sanders exposes hypocritical Democrat relations after Comey was fired.
This is from yesterday.
Here it is.
unidentified
I asked you directly yesterday if the president had already decided to fire James Comey when he met with the deputy attorney general.
And you said no.
Also, the vice president of the United States said directly that the president acted to take the recommendation of the deputy attorney general to remove the FBI director.
Sean Spicer said directly it was all him remaining the deputy attorney general.
Now we learn from the president directly that he had already decided to fire James Comey.
So why were so many people giving answers?
jordan holmes
Yeah, don't let it finish.
alex jones
Hey, dummy, let's back that up.
Five seconds, please.
It's called a consensus.
You know, I give a jury of 12 people, and then they agree.
It's not that they're all even agreeing for the same reasons.
They all have different reasons overall, but together, it's called a consensus.
A consensus that the mainstream media are liars.
A consensus that they're elitist, that have a stain for the American people.
A consensus that you can't be trusted.
A consensus that you're hacks.
A consensus that you're slime.
dan friesen
So he's just getting abusive.
jordan holmes
A consensus that you're a dog.
A consensus that you're a cat.
A consensus that you're a rat.
A consensus that there are two eggs.
There are a consensus that it's green eggs.
It's a consensus that it's green ham.
It's a consensus that...
dan friesen
Your point is made.
jordan holmes
I was wondering how long I could keep going.
I was trying to find somewhere.
dan friesen
Well, you always got to go to children's books.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
dan friesen
So he's just getting abusive about the press there, which is fun.
And I know that's super fun.
But the idea of him playing this clip is really to...
The name of the article that he posted this is about Sarah Huckabee Sanders, who we've now learned is Mike Huckabee's daughter.
jordan holmes
His actual daughter is still...
unidentified
Fucked up!
jordan holmes
That is fucked up!
dan friesen
She's way more competent than him, though, except at playing the bass.
But be that as...
jordan holmes
We don't know that.
That's not confirmed.
dan friesen
She might be great at bass.
jordan holmes
That's not confirmed.
dan friesen
But the idea of him playing this is to demonstrate that she's great.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Like, that's supposed to be.
And before we can even get to her response, he's gotta cut it off, and he's gotta respond.
Yeah, no, no, no.
jordan holmes
It's time for a man to do some talking.
dan friesen
Right, totally.
Because she's not attractive enough.
jordan holmes
No, of course.
dan friesen
So now, the other thing that's interesting is he's not at all understanding what this journalist's question is.
jordan holmes
Not even close.
dan friesen
The guy is asking him, well, he's asking Sanders, he's not asking fucking Alex.
jordan holmes
Nobody's asking Alex.
dan friesen
He's asking her, why is there a discrepancy between what was said before and what the president said?
Right.
unidentified
The president said he had made up his mind long before, and here's multiple instances of people within the White House saying that it was all because of this deputy attorney general.
dan friesen
Exactly.
unidentified
So why is that the case?
dan friesen
Right.
unidentified
So Alex's saying, there's consensus.
dan friesen
Do you not understand?
Absolutely not consensus.
Clearly, that's the opposite of consensus.
jordan holmes
Well, what he's trying to do is say that...
dan friesen
Do you mean Alex?
jordan holmes
What Alex is trying to do is say that just because they both wanted to do it, it doesn't matter when Trump said he did it or the like.
dan friesen
Now, great.
jordan holmes
The question, though, is why is it that everyone pointed all the blame towards this guy and then Trump...
Said it was all his decision.
So those two can't exist in the same time.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
That's not a consensus.
dan friesen
Kind of the question, if you really wanted to distill it down to normal languages, what the fuck's going on here?
It's not.
jordan holmes
Or, why are you so bad at scapegoating?
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
Like, you had a fall guy!
Trump!
All he had to do was say it was his fault!
dan friesen
Or, why couldn't Trump keep his goddamn mouth shut?
jordan holmes
Yeah, exactly!
dan friesen
Like, why isn't someone advising him to just...
Well, actually, probably it's because the Deputy Attorney General Rosenstein said he was going to quit.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
That is true.
dan friesen
Because he did not recommend the fire code.
jordan holmes
No.
unidentified
But the idea...
dan friesen
I think we all understand what's really going on.
Yeah.
Is that that was the narrative that was going to go down, and then they realized, oh, fuck, there's going to be trouble here.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
dan friesen
Because Rosenstein will quit, and then Sessions is recused.
What the fuck are we going to do?
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And so they're like, I'd made the decision already.
jordan holmes
Sessions is, in heavy scare quotes, recused.
dan friesen
Yeah, yeah.
And he also, I've been reading up on it, he might have put himself in the hopper by writing that letter.
jordan holmes
Really?
dan friesen
Yeah.
The person who was conducting the Russia investigation that he's recused from, he might have his legal license taken away.
God.
He has put himself in jeopardy.
jordan holmes
What a dream.
dan friesen
Yeah, but it requires it actually being...
jordan holmes
Imagine that the Attorney General is not allowed to practice law.
God.
We're going to need to take this before the Supreme Court.
Call the...
Oh, fuck!
dan friesen
What do we do?
jordan holmes
Who do we...
dan friesen
Well, Rosenstein quit.
jordan holmes
Who do we got?
dan friesen
Call Yates.
She's not answering our calls.
jordan holmes
No, for some reason, she's not a big fan of ours.
dan friesen
So, it goes on, and we'll eventually...
jordan holmes
God, we're gonna eventually have Trump's own law firm.
dan friesen
The one that was named Russia's Law Firm of the Year.
jordan holmes
Yeah, Russia's Law Firm of the Year!
unidentified
And represents Rothsnet.
dan friesen
Great, great.
I want that law firm writing a certified letter that you have nothing to do with Russia.
jordan holmes
It just doesn't get more bald-faced than this.
Like, it is all so...
It's complicit, and it's so bald-faced!
dan friesen
Or it's next-level trolling.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it has to be.
dan friesen
It could be like they're sitting around like, alright, we have nothing to do with Russia.
It would really drive people crazy if we used one of their law firms.
I don't think it's that.
I don't think it's that, but that would be hilarious.
jordan holmes
How are they so fucking...
It's obvious with this, and we still...
dan friesen
It's because they know...
jordan holmes
We have the most worthless Congress in history.
dan friesen
That's part of it.
We do.
And they know full well that most of the elections that go on in the midterms aren't going to be fair, probably.
jordan holmes
No, of course not.
dan friesen
So that's great.
They feel safe, and they're just putting their balls in our face.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
But anyway, this clip goes on of the press conference, and we get to...
I don't think that Huckabee Sanders comes in yet in this next clip.
jordan holmes
Do we get to hear her voice at all?
unidentified
We do.
Oh, okay, good.
dan friesen
In the next clip, we'll get to her for sure.
jordan holmes
Can I guess how many words of hers we get to hear?
dan friesen
No, because you'll be wrong.
jordan holmes
Okay.
alex jones
So, days after they come out and say there were recommendations, on and on, he says, yeah, there were recommendations, but I had my own reasons as well.
jordan holmes
To end that investigation.
alex jones
That's not him lying.
That's him being genuine.
Something you try to twist.
Something you try to misrepresent.
Because Trump's not a lawyer.
He's not playing lawyer games.
jordan holmes
No, he's obstructing justice.
unidentified
Opposite of a lawyer.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's a very bad lawyer game.
dan friesen
So, like, but what he's trying to do there is trying to say that, ah, you guys are just trying to catch a man in a semantic trap.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And that's not what they're doing.
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
They have a legitimate question, which is, what the fuck's going on here?
jordan holmes
Did you commit a crime?
dan friesen
Oh, but even beyond that, what the fuck's going on here?
We would like to be able to report this accurately, but there is an inconsistency here.
We're trying to get to the bottom of it.
It ain't a lawyer game.
alex jones
No.
dan friesen
Lawyer games are like, I don't know, Parcheesi?
Seems like a high-class game, right?
jordan holmes
I would go with Settlers of Catan.
dan friesen
Or Bridge?
jordan holmes
Resource Managements.
dan friesen
Alright, fine.
jordan holmes
Fair enough.
The White House is very much a prisoner's dilemma.
Like, if I was investigating them like a straight-up cop, right?
You have three different possible perpetrators, all of them in different interrogation rooms.
dan friesen
Well, now you've got a really interesting prisoner's dilemma because you've got three of them.
jordan holmes
Exactly!
But that's kind of the issue, is there's so many competing motivations here.
Like, Paul Ryan just wants his fucking tax cuts.
Like, he's willing to end America just so he can get rich people tax cuts, right?
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
He wants to end Medicaid.
That's his main goal.
dan friesen
He's been dreaming about it since those CAGRs in college.
jordan holmes
Which, fucking, wow.
unidentified
Yeesh.
jordan holmes
But yeah, so that's all he wants, right?
Trump just wants Trump to be richer and more famous.
dan friesen
Trump just wants Trump.
jordan holmes
Yeah, exactly.
Trump wants it to be the Trump-knighted states of America.
And then you have all of the other players, all of them just like, Trying to maintain some semblance of power.
dan friesen
Or probably, like, massive wealth.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Because, you know, if the stuff that was in that dossier that came out, the dirty dossier.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
If some of the stuff that was in there is true, people like Paul Manafort, people like Carter Page, Roger Stone, stood to gain billions of dollars.
Yeah.
From that ten percent.
jordan holmes
Eh, maybe not billions.
dan friesen
Yeah, it's a trillion dollar deal.
jordan holmes
Holy shit.
dan friesen
And they had like 20% of it or something like that.
jordan holmes
Holy double shit!
dan friesen
Yeah, it was a 19% stake in the, like, I can't remember the precise figure, but it's in the trillions of dollars.
jordan holmes
Oh, well then they stood to gain billions of dollars.
dan friesen
Yeah, because it has to do with the fucking, the embargoes on oil in Russia.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
The expansive oil fields that they're not using because they can't.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
So opening that up would stand to make...
People like Rex Tillerson and the conspirators.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Tons of money.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
So that makes sense as a motivation.
That's very simple.
jordan holmes
So now you have all three of these different parties giving completely different stories.
dan friesen
Narcissism, power hungry, and tax cuts.
jordan holmes
Money hungry, yeah.
dan friesen
And lust for money.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
So your job as an investigator then is try and get them to turn on each other.
And that's the prisoner's dilemma there, is the only way they all win is if they all tell the same story.
dan friesen
True.
jordan holmes
And since none of them can do that...
dan friesen
And we're seeing an inability to tell the same story.
jordan holmes
A complete just meltdown, like not even similar stories.
dan friesen
Like legit, if this was Russia, Carter Page would be dead.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
He would not be still going on television.
jordan holmes
So many people would just be, like, they would just solve the problem.
dan friesen
Yeah, yeah.
That guy is unlucky.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Odd how that journalist got shot in the forehead on Trump's birthday.
Very weird.
Super weird.
dan friesen
Very weird.
So this next clip, we finally get to Huckabee Sanders coming in and giving her response to this question.
alex jones
Let's go back to her response.
unidentified
Hire James Comey.
So why were so many people giving answers that just weren't correct?
Were you guys in the dark?
Was the vice president misled again?
I know you love to report that we were misled and we want to create...
Hold on, Jonathan.
I let you finish and read off every single one of those statements.
So unless you want to trade places, I think it's my turn now.
I think it's pretty simple.
I hadn't had a chance to have the conversation directly with the president to say.
I'd had several conversations with him, but I didn't ask that question directly.
Had you already made that decision?
I went off of the information that I had when I answered your question.
I've since had the conversation with him right before I walked on.
dan friesen
At this point, her answer is good.
jordan holmes
It is not we were misled.
It's that I personally was ignorant.
So you can't hold me accountable because I just didn't know.
dan friesen
Good answer.
It doesn't take into account Spicer and all the other people.
jordan holmes
Of course not.
dan friesen
But at the same time, she's doing a great job as the press secretary.
She's already not fumbled at all.
She's not...
She's not said anything embarrassing like Spicer.
I agree with Alex.
jordan holmes
She hasn't gotten angry and run away like Spicer.
dan friesen
She's way better at this.
jordan holmes
Oh, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
She's great.
jordan holmes
And not just that, but she turned it into a question about her.
Right.
Not a question that he asked.
dan friesen
Perfect.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
dan friesen
And because there's that minor little bit of taking responsibility for something that isn't really that bad.
It deflects from the fact that the question is about something that is pretty bad.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And that's brilliant.
That's a really good rhetorical trick.
jordan holmes
Right.
Which is why, again, I told you, don't give too much credit to our press corps.
dan friesen
Yeah.
But I respect the hell out of her answer at this point.
It gets worse.
jordan holmes
It gets worse?
Great.
unidentified
And he laid it out very clearly.
He had already made that decision.
He'd been thinking about it for months, which I did say yesterday and have said many times since.
And Wednesday...
alex jones
Back it up again.
Five seconds.
Thank you.
He went on TV two days after he was sworn in with his wife and said, I don't know if I'm going to keep coming.
We may get rid of him.
He's done some weird stuff.
And then later, he just did so much weird things like going on TV and saying the president made him nauseous that he might have helped get him elected.
Mildly nauseous.
And that he also thought that Trump was crazy, that Obama was wiretapping him when it was in the front page of the New York Times, the Washington Post.
You name it, that Obama was wiretapping him?
And then you think we're so stupid and don't have a memory?
You come back and say you never were wiretapping him?
Because there's nothing in the wiretaps, as the head of the Intelligence Committee has said in the House, because he's read the transcripts, there's no treason!
There's no collusion!
There's nothing with the Russians!
Nothing!
But setting up meetings with them, that's normal!
And then they finally have Lavrov, the foreign minister, and the...
You gave up the game!
Ambassador to the United States from Russia in a meeting, and they turned that into a giant conspiracy theory and said that Trump's helping them plant listening devices in the Oval Office.
That's how crazy these people are.
Let's go back to it.
dan friesen
To that last point, no one's saying that Trump was helping them.
They were just saying this is a dangerous situation to have people with recording devices.
In the Oval Office from a hostile state.
Right.
So that's really more the point they were making.
jordan holmes
Usually pretty bad.
dan friesen
I don't think he totally gave up the game, as you have indicated.
jordan holmes
Even in his defense, he was like, yeah, he set up meetings that legally he wasn't allowed to do.
dan friesen
No, his argument, well, yeah, I mean, that is kind of dicey.
It's a little dicey.
jordan holmes
It's illegal.
dan friesen
But his argument is that Mike Flynn, whenever he was talking to Kislyak, was just saying, Hey, man.
The president's going to meet with you.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
That's why you had to call him multiple times to say that.
unidentified
Hey, man.
jordan holmes
Just so you know, we're still on for five at Friday.
dan friesen
Same day that Obama put sanctions and kicked a bunch of spies out of the country.
Flynn had to call a couple times to be like, hey, Trump's gonna meet with you.
jordan holmes
Hey, don't worry about it.
We're gonna have a meeting.
We're gonna have a meeting.
I'm definitely not revealing foreign policy that I shouldn't be revealing at this time.
unidentified
No!
jordan holmes
No, we're gonna have a meeting!
dan friesen
And I swear I have not yet registered as a foreign agent.
unidentified
Don't worry.
jordan holmes
No, no, don't worry!
No one will know!
We are so secretive!
He might as well have had a bullhorn next to his walkie-talkie.
He was so transparent.
dan friesen
Yeah, but...
But all of that shit is, first of all, he interrupts her, which is rude.
I'm being petty.
But he couldn't let the clip play out and actually give her answer because he had to jump in with his answer.
Right.
Which, I mean, it's just, of course he wants to be in there.
He wants to be in there so bad yelling at these journalists.
It's just he's hungry for the game.
jordan holmes
You are right.
dan friesen
He wants to yell at them himself, but no one would ever let him there.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I didn't...
Like, that is something...
Even you said that at the beginning, but I just didn't pick up on it right there.
But yeah, he wants to be there answering those questions.
dan friesen
Because he would answer them so much more harshly.
jordan holmes
Yeah, and so much better.
So much better than any unattractive woman ever could.
dan friesen
I would defend Trump so much better than you are.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
dan friesen
That sort of thing.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Yeah, it's pathetic.
jordan holmes
Also, I think she's not spinning exactly the narrative that he wants to.
So he's kind of cutting her off there in order to equivocate the two.
dan friesen
Around people who know facts, he couldn't spin those narratives.
unidentified
No.
dan friesen
Because you couldn't yell at people about how the Washington Post and New York Times, they reported that Trump was wiretapped.
jordan holmes
They reported that Trump said...
Trump was wiretapped.
dan friesen
Or they had a headline that Trump Tower associates of his might have been wiretapped.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
But that's the headline, and then the body of the article spells it out that that is not true.
Yeah.
So everyone would just be like, stop referencing headlines.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
They're just like, you don't read anything.
You don't know.
I mean, that's why he couldn't have the job.
No.
But...
jordan holmes
Because our dreams can't come true.
dan friesen
No, that would be so great.
jordan holmes
Oh, God.
dan friesen
So, in this next clip, we get even further insight that Alex wants to be in the fray.
Like, it's just so clear.
alex jones
Let's go back to it.
unidentified
Yesterday, and have said many times since, and Wednesday, I think, was the final straw that pushed him, and the recommendation that he got from the Deputy Attorney General just further solidified his decision, and again, I think reaffirmed that he made the right one.
Was the Vice President in the dark too?
Nobody was in the dark, John.
alex jones
Pause, back it up.
jordan holmes
You were.
alex jones
No one's in the dark.
dan friesen
You just said you were.
alex jones
When the President finally did a TV interview, He laid out the truth, that he was sick of him, that the guy was waffling all over the place, that the Democrats couldn't stand him, that he said when he first got into office he might get rid of him, and that he got recommended on top of what he'd already made the decision.
He's the president.
So notice the guy goes back to the talking point.
Oh, so you were kept in the dark.
Oh, you were misled.
When she just said she wasn't.
They just keep coming back with their lies.
That's why they're hated.
It's why they're disdained.
It's why they're disgusting.
So let's go back to this little man.
Here it is.
unidentified
The vice president in the dark, too.
jordan holmes
Little man.
unidentified
Nobody was in the dark, Jonathan.
You want to create this false narrative.
If we want to talk about contradicting statements and people that were maybe in the dark, how about the Democrats?
Let's read a few of them.
You want to talk about them?
Here's what Democrats said not long ago about Comey.
I didn't answer the question!
Senator Chuck Schumer said, I don't have confidence in him any longer.
Senator Bernie Sanders said it would not be a bad thing for the American people if Comey resigned.
That's a very different thing!
dan friesen
Yeah, so that just goes on for a while, and that's sort of what I'm talking about when I say that her answer doesn't stay good.
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
Because, like you said, she's not answering the question, but she's doing a really good job of moving the target.
jordan holmes
No, absolutely.
dan friesen
Which is the job, kind of.
jordan holmes
She's crushing it.
dan friesen
Look over here, look over here, look over here.
jordan holmes
Yeah, absolutely.
dan friesen
And she has, like, she prepared.
She came with all of those fucking Democrat quotes.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
Like, she's on it, for sure.
jordan holmes
Unlike all the times that they've showed up with, like, Manila folders and just filled with blank paper.
She actually wrote shit down.
dan friesen
Yeah, which is great.
But then on top of that...
jordan holmes
They stumbled onto competency.
dan friesen
I would love to be able to be there myself as a journalist to give a rebuttal.
Now, hold on.
Those quotes from Democrats are old, by and large.
They're months old, and they're talking about a different circumstance.
It's not fair to use those as evidence in this context.
But, I mean...
At the same time, like I'm saying, it's pro.
It's pro shit.
Yeah.
She's being a press secretary.
jordan holmes
Well, it's a shitty argument with your family.
That's the real problem.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
Because you ask a question like, hey, is this true?
And they're like, well, this is true.
And you're like, no, no, no.
Answer the question.
dan friesen
Hillary.
jordan holmes
I asked you a question.
You answer that question.
unidentified
Hillary.
jordan holmes
That's how conversations happen.
dan friesen
Hillary.
jordan holmes
If I talk to you.
alex jones
Hillary!
jordan holmes
You talk back to me.
And we share it.
God damn it!
dan friesen
That hurt my throat.
So Alex comes back after she gets done with her answer.
It just goes on.
She quotes a ton more Democrats.
And here is his summation.
alex jones
Wow, she's good.
Better than Spicer.
jordan holmes
Yep.
Agreed.
alex jones
Put her brain in the brain case of the Fox info, babe.
They're both super smart.
jordan holmes
Wow!
dan friesen
That's insane.
jordan holmes
Holy fucking what?
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
What a goddamn prick!
dan friesen
He's a pile of shit.
unidentified
This is...
jordan holmes
Oh, okay.
dan friesen
He bookended the entire thing with comments about how she's not hot enough for it.
unidentified
Yeah!
dan friesen
Which is insane.
jordan holmes
Put this very smart girl's brain into a hot girl and now we're talking.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Fuck you!
dan friesen
It's degrading.
jordan holmes
It's super degrading, yeah.
God, imagine if you took Alex's brain and put it into the brain case of a fucking dog.
dan friesen
A brain case.
jordan holmes
And shut the fuck up.
dan friesen
A brain case.
jordan holmes
He just saw Ghost in the Shell.
That's fine.
I'm on board with that.
I'm on board with that.
He saw Ghost in the Shell.
It wasn't a great movie.
I wish they had chosen an Asian woman, but what are you going to do?
What are you going to do?
dan friesen
So he gets done with this breakdown of this press briefing, and we now enter what will be the rest of this episode.
He comes back from break, and he starts breaking down this Keith Olbermann clip.
Ah!
jordan holmes
I'm glad we got off of his rampant misogyny.
dan friesen
It is, but he's no less dumb in this part.
He skips breaks.
And does 35 minutes straight on a 7 minute clip from Keith Olbermann.
jordan holmes
Wow.
dan friesen
He's furious.
jordan holmes
That's our level of delving into a 7 minute clip.
dan friesen
But he's lacking a little bit of information, context, any insight.
He's just mad.
He's just screaming throughout all of it.
unidentified
He hates Keith Olbermann with a...
dan friesen
Fiery passion.
jordan holmes
Well, I would say that is like-hates-like.
Totally.
Keith Olbermann is definitely that similar style of alpha male yelling kind of thing going on there.
dan friesen
But he's the one that the trendies like.
It's kind of like Alex Jones is some sort of outcast at the media high school.
jordan holmes
Yes!
dan friesen
And Keith Olbermann is the cool quarterback?
unidentified
Yes!
jordan holmes
That is exactly what it is!
And he wants to be the cool quarterback!
Instead, he's the fucking lineman.
He doesn't get any accolades for being the left guard.
dan friesen
But that's because Alex Jones is beefy.
He can't move like a quarterback.
But also, it's not even really fair, that assessment, because Jake Tapper is maybe the quarterback, or something like that.
If you want to go mainstream media.
jordan holmes
Ah, Jake Tapper's a pussy.
dan friesen
But if you want to go mainstream media, he's kind of like a big guy on CNN.
jordan holmes
Is he?
I don't watch any of it.
dan friesen
You could even make an argument that, like, Sean Hannity is the quarterback.
jordan holmes
Sean Hannity's a prick, though.
dan friesen
But he is a highly rated show on the number one cable news network.
jordan holmes
God.
dan friesen
On Fox.
jordan holmes
No wonder we're dying as a country.
dan friesen
Totally.
jordan holmes
No wonder we're dying as a country.
dan friesen
So I think the accurate metaphor is that, like, Alex Jones is an outcast, and there's a cooler outcast.
You know, because Keith Olbermann is still on the fringe.
He's on GQ.
That is not a news network.
He puts out videos online.
jordan holmes
They put a lot of in-depth interviews.
Like, here's the thing that I love.
Recently, Teen Vogue has been doing some of the best fucking insight.
dan friesen
Lauren Duke is killing it.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah.
They've been doing great work.
dan friesen
Yeah, absolutely.
But we're entering...
jordan holmes
So why not GQ, is my point there.
Why not?
dan friesen
Totally.
But...
You can't take aim at Keith Olbermann as being like a news golden boy when he's on Gentleman's Quarterly.
You know, like, it's a fashion magazine.
jordan holmes
He did a photo shoot for Maxim, too, so it's all good.
dan friesen
Great!
You understand what I'm saying.
He's misplacing a lot of his anger.
jordan holmes
Of course.
dan friesen
And it's mostly, I think, as we're going to explore throughout this...
Maybe too thorough investigation of Alex's investigation of this clip.
jordan holmes
Yes, I like how we're going to double down.
dan friesen
Alex is mad at himself.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
And he's yelling.
jordan holmes
So are we going to do a lot of projecting here?
dan friesen
No, he is.
jordan holmes
No, I know.
That's what I meant.
dan friesen
Alex is mad at Keith for embodying things that he feels he's lacking.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Or things that he is self-conscious that he does.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
And like I said up top...
jordan holmes
It's almost more like you're stealing my style, bro.
dan friesen
No, because he does that with Glenn Beck.
jordan holmes
Oh, okay.
dan friesen
As far as what I was saying up top, I'm not defending Keith Olbermann.
I think he has his issues.
I think he's a way better journalist and a way better presenter than Alex in terms of being a professional.
He does yell a little bit, but it is way more controlled than Alex.
So when he's talking about like...
This guy is off the chain.
jordan holmes
I let myself leave that!
He's mentally ill!
dan friesen
That's lunacy.
Yeah.
jordan holmes
He got to keep his own children!
I don't even know if he has kids.
dan friesen
I'm not defending Keith Olbermann.
I am only in so much as I side with him over Alex.
Yeah.
So here we go.
Let's get into the introduction here.
And this clip I've labeled...
All capital letters.
Lots of projection.
This is just all projection.
alex jones
Ladies and gentlemen, I don't know where to begin.
Remember a few months ago when Obermann said that our country has been taken over by the Russians?
Remember he said that this is Russian scum.
He is a Russian agent.
We are now at war with Russia!
Russia scum!
jordan holmes
Mom!
alex jones
And then...
unidentified
It's almost like we've been taken over by the globalists!
alex jones
GQ.
And you look at his eyes.
If you're a radio listener, go to Infowars.com.
We have the video posted.
He looks like he's completely mentally ill and like he's completely scared and like he's this five-year-old young boy who's afraid that Krusty the Clown's coming to killing.
dan friesen
Sounds like someone we know.
alex jones
And then he calls for foreign governments, including Russia, to take Trump out.
unidentified
Because now Russia must know how evil he is.
alex jones
And then here's Trump weathering the storm, restoring our republic, getting our jobs back, getting Obamacare repealed in the House, just over-delivering, total stalwart, totally in control, totally slick.
And it's like, he's crazy!
He's evil!
He's bad!
The whole world's in danger!
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
He's crazy.
He's bad.
The whole world is in danger.
I don't know where I've heard things like that before.
Could you think of anybody who has said something similar to that?
dan friesen
Krusty the Clown?
jordan holmes
That's a good point.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
What the fuck?
Why did you pick Krusty the Clown?
dan friesen
It's totally insane, considering one of his close associates was the person who was trying to kill him.
jordan holmes
Yeah, exactly.
dan friesen
Also, he is mentally ill.
You see it in his eyes.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
He looks scared.
He looks like a five-year-old boy.
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
All of that is Alex.
jordan holmes
A five-year-old boy who's been kicked off of his mother's lap and told, you don't get love no more.
dan friesen
Because you want to be a man.
jordan holmes
A five-year-old boy who stuck up a liquor store with a bag of cash.
dan friesen
And two bottles of whiskey, and they're like, yeah, my dad runs the liquor store.
jordan holmes
I love his propensity for picking, like...
Appearance and body language.
It's always got to be like, look at him.
Don't listen to him.
Look at him.
Look at Trump.
Look at how slick he is.
Look at how his hair always is.
Those hand gestures.
Yeah, exactly.
Don't engage with his thoughts or his opinions or his research or anything like that.
unidentified
But that's the thing.
dan friesen
Alex can't.
jordan holmes
No, of course not.
dan friesen
It's too in-depth.
It's too hard for him.
Right.
I would say...
Within this 35 minute clip, Alex Jones hits most of his greatest hits of Lies.
And also comes in with some new ones that I'm going to debunk along the way.
jordan holmes
And sings American Pie also, right?
dan friesen
God damn it, I wish he had.
I don't know how to put a finer point on this.
He's so busted.
jordan holmes
He's just mad at himself.
dan friesen
But one of the arguments that he makes is so absurd.
It undercuts Alex Jones' entire philosophy.
In attempting to attack fucking Keith Olbermann, he is attacking himself.
jordan holmes
Yeah, when you punch a mirror, your hand is fine.
dan friesen
So let's get to this next clip so we can move this along, because like I said, there's like 23 clips.
jordan holmes
Jesus Christ!
dan friesen
He yelled for 35 minutes about this.
jordan holmes
That's a good point.
dan friesen
So this next one is about Trump's accomplishments.
jordan holmes
Many varied.
Over-delivered accomplishments.
So many accomplishments.
You're tired of accomplishing things.
You're going to get sick of accomplishing things.
alex jones
This is mental illness, but it's more than that.
It's called espionage.
It's called treason.
It's called aiding a foreign power to carry out criminal operations against your country.
It's called...
Being guilty of high treason.
jordan holmes
As though you were saying that more Russian agents should be part of our government.
alex jones
It's another thing when you do it with foreign powers.
Then it's treason.
Not just sedition.
And it'd be one thing if Trump was really this far in power, and he was screwing us over like the globalists.
But instead, he's actually an American who really is restoring the country with all the globalists coming after us.
That's what globalism is.
The UN, the IMF, the World Bank, the World Trade Organization, the TPP.
Trump is literally pulling us out of all that and reforming it.
Cut UN fighting by 50%.
World star hip-hop.
And says, we've got to stop this American madman.
Thought he was a Russian agent.
dan friesen
So, in there, he makes these sort of arguments about Trump's accomplishments, sort of being like, he's not a Russian agent, he's doing all this stuff.
jordan holmes
Which are none.
dan friesen
Well, I mean, there's this super vague thing, if the globalists are real, I'm sorry, if the globalists aren't real, any accomplishment against them that isn't real is real.
So, like, it doesn't really matter.
If you have a fake victory over a fake group, great.
It's like when he says that Trump has re-declared sovereignty.
What?
What does that mean?
jordan holmes
Yeah, he re-declared sovereignty.
dan friesen
Great.
jordan holmes
He re-declared it.
Like, we declared it one time, and then we declared it again, but he re-declared it.
dan friesen
It's kind of like renewing your wedding vows.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
dan friesen
You weren't divorced before that.
jordan holmes
No, no.
You were divorced three times before that, and you raped one of your former wives.
dan friesen
She didn't write a book about it.
Anyway, the thing about cutting funding to the UN is really interesting, because the funding that actually is going to be cut is a ton of humanitarian organizations, like food.
Organizations and things like that.
If you really look into the specific cuts that are going to have to be made to make his budget, people who are involved with those organizations have said, this will be the largest humanitarian crisis that we've ever faced.
jordan holmes
Oh, do you mean poor people?
dan friesen
I believe...
jordan holmes
This will be the largest...
We're going to fuck poor people since we passed the fucking AHCA.
dan friesen
And the quote from...
I can't remember his name.
It's kind of irrelevant.
He's saying that this lack of funding we will not be able to make up from individual donors.
The amount of money that the U.S. gives to keep people alive in foreign countries, third world countries, medical relief.
jordan holmes
Redeclaring sovereignty!
dan friesen
Food things.
jordan holmes
Sovereignty over food!
dan friesen
They're saying that it will entirely shift the nature of humanitarianism in the world.
jordan holmes
They don't care.
dan friesen
Nope.
jordan holmes
They want people to...
dan friesen
The consequences of this unfunding of the UN is not going to be some political gain.
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
It is going to be massive deaths.
jordan holmes
Thousands of people are going to die because of these.
dan friesen
Way more than that.
jordan holmes
Way more.
dan friesen
Way more.
The amount of famine relief, the amount of disaster relief, those sorts of things, that's what's being cut.
jordan holmes
I mean, he's not fucking funding North Carolina's Hurricane Relief Fund.
dan friesen
Nope.
unidentified
Also, you can't fuck poor people more than that.
dan friesen
That's domestic.
jordan holmes
But that's what I'm saying.
It doesn't fucking matter if you're worldwide or domestic.
He doesn't give a fuck about poor people.
dan friesen
True.
But we gotta keep it on the globalist tip.
For the UN stuff.
jordan holmes
Globalists.
dan friesen
I don't know.
Have you ever...
jordan holmes
The UN needs to come into North Carolina for disaster relief.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
That's genuinely what needs to happen.
dan friesen
Fuck it, the free market will take care of it.
jordan holmes
Yeah, right.
dan friesen
So, have you ever listened to interviews with, like, Romeo Dallaire, the guy who was on the ground in Rwanda during the Civil War?
jordan holmes
The Hotel Rwanda thing?
dan friesen
I will tell you this.
He wished that the UN gave them less funding.
jordan holmes
Really?
dan friesen
No.
jordan holmes
Oh!
God damn it!
You were so fucking convincing!
dan friesen
It's kind of the opposite.
jordan holmes
There was a part of me that was like, wait, did they do that global corporation thing where they really just kind of screwed everybody over and it was a temporary relief where it's like, the moment they left, all that shit started up again?
No, it was not that.
dan friesen
Kofi Annan and Boutros Boutros Gali were resistant to give the funding to do exactly what needed to be done in Rwanda.
And it caused...
Countless deaths and genocide.
And we're going to end up seeing more of that in war-torn regions because of Trump's proposed lack of funding for the UN.
It's not like...
We want to imagine...
Not we, but people like Alex want to imagine that this...
UN is a money suck.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And it's just trying to consolidate business interests and stuff like that and usurp our sovereignty.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
And in reality, a lot of the money that we pitch into it goes to keeping people alive.
jordan holmes
And it's amazing that he can...
unidentified
It's a huge bummer.
jordan holmes
Like, that's not a story.
Like, you and I, like most people, I would say 95% of people...
Do not know that those are the cuts that he's making to the UN funding.
dan friesen
And in the citations for this episode, I'll post a link to the specific information.
jordan holmes
So that basically means that they can get away with murdering.
dan friesen
But people are reporting it.
It's just no one's picking it up.
It's not carrying on as a narrative.
jordan holmes
And a lot of people just don't give a fuck.
dan friesen
It's the same thing with...
jordan holmes
They're not Americans, so who fucking cares?
unidentified
Fuck them.
dan friesen
They're poor and brown.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
God, that's America's philosophy.
dan friesen
This next argument that he makes, I was really interested in it because he keeps talking about how in his short time in office, Trump has boosted the stock market more than anyone ever.
He sort of makes the argument that it's a massive rise.
jordan holmes
Like a bubble.
dan friesen
Well, that's one thing.
I have read a couple economists talking about how we're going to be okay for a little while.
The end result of this will be the biggest crash that we've ever seen.
jordan holmes
Yeah, absolutely.
dan friesen
The sort of things that we're putting in place have no infrastructure, it's unsustainable, it's just on hubris and hot air.
But I wanted to look into the specifics of percentage of the stock market's growth in a president's first hundred days in office.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
You want to know who number one was?
jordan holmes
Clinton?
dan friesen
No, our man Franklin Delano Roosevelt.
jordan holmes
Oh, yeah!
Well, but he had the benefit of the single worst thing that's ever happened, so literally anything he did, it would go up.
dan friesen
In 1933, he came to office and he raised the stock market by 79.62%, which again is kind of unfair.
jordan holmes
Because the stock market was so far.
Yeah, it was so far.
It was at zero.
dan friesen
It was at zero.
jordan holmes
Also, just not having Hoover in there, who was actively fucking people over, was just the fact that you have somebody who espoused some socialist belief meant the stock market was going to And then the New Deal, of course...
It fucking led to a period of consistent growth for 40 years, and then somebody dismantled the New Deal, and somehow everything started going to fucking shit.
dan friesen
It's interesting, actually.
Hoover's first 100 days in office wasn't terribly bad.
We only saw a 1.32% decrease in the stock market.
But then it fell apart.
jordan holmes
Hoover was elected in what?
dan friesen
29?
jordan holmes
29. Yeah.
unidentified
Or he took office in 29. 28. Yeah.
dan friesen
No.
So, that's number one.
Donald Trump is actually number five on the list of the biggest growth in the stock market in the first hundred days, with a 5.32% change.
jordan holmes
How about, was Bush Jr. number three?
dan friesen
No.
Bush Sr. was number three.
jordan holmes
Ah, shit!
dan friesen
In 1989, it was a 7.93% growth.
unidentified
Uh-huh.
dan friesen
You know who number four was?
jordan holmes
Obama.
dan friesen
Barack motherfucking Obama!
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
In 2013, 7.51, almost a 2% better growth of the stock market in his first 100 days of his second term.
jordan holmes
Of course.
dan friesen
Suck a dick, Alex.
Like, your own stats there, the guy who you hate is better than your guy.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
It's insane.
Why doesn't anyone look this up?
Why doesn't Alex look this up?
jordan holmes
Because nobody gives a fuck.
dan friesen
I know.
jordan holmes
Nobody gives a goddamn fuck about whether or not something is true.
I was talking to my dad.
And it was just literally like, oh, well, I assume everything is fake news nowadays.
And you're like, no!
You can't possibly...
That's abdicating your responsibility as a human being.
dan friesen
Yeah, totally.
jordan holmes
Abdicating your responsibility as a human being to do any fucking thing.
dan friesen
We've been over this on the podcast.
It's not the media's responsibility to be right all the time.
It's their responsibility to try.
And follow certain guidelines, and if they're wrong, make a correction.
It's every citizen's responsibility to engage with news that you get, and if something seems a little weird, don't trust it.
Look into it.
And everyone has just given up on that.
jordan holmes
There is something about, I will never remember the quote, and I'm probably going to paraphrase it and screw everything up, but without an informed citizenry, democracy cannot flourish.
dan friesen
Shakespeare.
jordan holmes
Oh!
dan friesen
I have heard that quote.
It's one of the founding father dudes.
jordan holmes
Yeah, probably.
dan friesen
Yeah, of course.
jordan holmes
One of the founding father dudes.
dan friesen
One of those bros.
jordan holmes
One of those slave owners.
dan friesen
One of those cool bros.
So in this next clip, we get some more projection.
And just overall, Alex not getting the point of Keith Olbermann's video.
alex jones
I've watched Olbermann quite a bit.
He is literally having a mental breakdown here and is absolutely scared.
These people are crazy.
They thought they ran America.
That's their power trip.
That's their identity.
And now they've lost their identity and they are hitting the panic button.
And there's liberal professors everywhere calling to kill Trump supporters.
jordan holmes
Name one.
alex jones
Calling to kill Trump.
Nothing's being done about it.
jordan holmes
Name one.
alex jones
We've got a guy from GQ magazine reaching millions of people.
Saying kill everybody.
dan friesen
So right there.
Right there, what happened?
What happened?
Right there?
This is important.
jordan holmes
Was that his video?
Just, hey!
I'm Keith Olbermann!
alex jones
Kill everybody!
dan friesen
Well, what happened there was, like, Alex, the long pause was because Alex said that he reaches millions of people, and he had to be like, oh shit, I've just said that.
I'm supposed to say everyone's audience is tiny.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Shit.
So he got into his headspace, and then he realized, I don't know what he's saying.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
I didn't watch this twice.
I can't engage with the material.
So, oh, he must be saying kill everybody.
jordan holmes
I think he probably did watch it twice, but I think our larger issue is that he doesn't have any comprehension skills.
dan friesen
Information synthesis.
jordan holmes
Yeah, well, and then there's the fact that I guarantee he watched it.
dan friesen
Do you think, like, Wernicke or Broca's area in his brain is just damaged?
Like, the idea of, like, he can't take in communication appropriately?
jordan holmes
That's an interesting question.
dan friesen
It's possible.
jordan holmes
I don't think that's something that we could even really kind of speculate on, because, one, I don't know enough about it to have any informed opinion.
dan friesen
I'd like to start a Kickstarter to get a CT scan.
jordan holmes
And unlike many people in the commentary industry...
I would prefer not to comment wildly on something I know zero about.
dan friesen
That's sort of the hallmark of our show.
jordan holmes
All of the stuff that you just said, like the different parts of that brain, no idea what you were talking about.
dan friesen
They're the sort of parts of the brain that are responsible for ingoing and outgoing.
jordan holmes
Oh, well, now that I know that, I absolutely agree with you.
His brain is damaged.
One too many putting some other dudes into a coma situation.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So, back to it.
alex jones
He basically disagrees with, and we're at war with Russia and Russia scum.
In fact, here's the Russia scum clip first.
Here it is.
keith olbermann
The nation and all of our freedoms hang by a thread.
And the military apparatus of this country is about to be handed over to scum who are beholden to scum!
Russian scum!
alex jones
All right.
Now let's start going at the break with the first of the clip where he calls on all intelligence agencies and citizens, everyone else, overthrow Trump!
Stop him!
The world!
Come to America!
Attack us!
keith olbermann
I'm Keith Olbermann and this is The Resistance.
I appeal to the intelligence agencies and the governments of what is left of the free world to them as entities, entireties, as bureaucracies making official decisions, and to the individuals who make decisions of conscience.
To GCHQ and MI6 in the UK, to the BND in Germany, the DGSE in France, the ASIS in Australia, and even to the GRU in Russia.
They must already be profoundly aware that they have not merely helped put an amoral cynic in power here, but an uncontrollable one.
All right, let's stop there.
alex jones
That is the problem.
He's not controlled by the globalists.
So now you're more honest.
You want the foreign powers who did mail an election, the EU got involved, the globalists got involved, the UN got involved, the Saudis got involved, the Pope got involved, the Chinese dictator got involved, Cuba got involved, Mexico got involved, Canada got involved, but you couldn't stop the American people.
You got your asses handed to you, and now you want the whole world to gang up on us more, you dirtbag traitor!
His ass needs to be in a supermax prison.
jordan holmes
That's some classic Alex right there.
That makes me happy.
dan friesen
That's like, I know I can suck on a lozenge.
We're going to break.
I'm going to fucking do this thing.
jordan holmes
That's some classic Alex Jones right there.
I've been missing some of that.
dan friesen
Get ready for a lot more of it.
The rest of this episode is classic Alex plus his media criticism skills.
I do want you to get your stopwatch out.
Because I don't want you to count out loud over these clips how long it takes him to interrupt them.
But it's buck wild.
And the reason, I apologize, the reason I put my hand up and was like, hold on, was because I wanted that to play, like Keith Olbermann's intro.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Because he replays it and interrupts the fuck out of it.
And I wanted everyone to be able to hear what he was saying in a coherent sentence, because...
If you just take Alex's analysis, you'll never know what he was actually saying.
jordan holmes
The thing that I...
Like, before I even thought about Alex listening to that Olbermann clip, is that is...
Olbermann is being very reckless.
Yeah.
Like, that idea that...
dan friesen
It's a little capricious.
jordan holmes
That idea that you're talking about Russian scum taking over the election is very much a...
dan friesen
Well, that's an old clip.
jordan holmes
Oh, is it?
dan friesen
Yeah, that was from a couple months back.
The Russian scum one.
jordan holmes
He's just getting it now?
dan friesen
No, he yelled about it back then, too.
jordan holmes
No, I mean Alex.
dan friesen
I think we just didn't cover it back then.
I think he didn't tee off like he did today.
jordan holmes
No, I think one of the things that gets me about all of this debate and all of this conversation is that nobody is clearly delineating that the Russian people are not a problem.
It is...
Very few people in the Russian government.
It is very few people in the United States government.
It's fucking Alex Jones.
It is not people.
dan friesen
Well, they are people.
It's not the population.
jordan holmes
The idea of America is at war with Russia.
dan friesen
Right, right, right.
jordan holmes
That's not what's really going on.
What's going on...
The Russian government wants a pro-American government.
And nobody cares about all of the people living in America or...
dan friesen
You got it twisted.
Russia wants an American pro-Russia government.
Or at least a neutral and we're not getting involved.
Non-intervention government.
jordan holmes
So all of this is because guys like Keith Olbermann and Alex Jones always boiled it down to nations.
And it is not.
dan friesen
No, and that's why I don't defend Keith Olbermann.
I still think he's a bit wrong.
That's reckless.
If I had to side with one, I think the goals of Keith Olbermann are way better than the goals of Alex Jones.
Agreed.
Absolutely, his rhetoric is a little bit unhinged.
jordan holmes
But just like we were talking about earlier, that is the question of...
We all know that there's some interference.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
How do we solve this problem without also sparking a war?
dan friesen
Right.
Neither of these parties are going to do it.
unidentified
No.
jordan holmes
So Olbermann's goals, I get, are the same as ours.
But for us, the ends do not justify the means.
unidentified
Well, no, they do.
jordan holmes
Like, if you want to get rid of Trump, but that means we have to declare war?
Well, I don't know.
dan friesen
I do, I think.
At least in my own head.
Yes.
unidentified
We don't have the proof that would justify a war.
dan friesen
Okay.
unidentified
But if it is the case that there is active involvement Right.
dan friesen
that we just have to suck it up and we have to go to war.
Like, I think it's a terrible outcome, Oh, man.
jordan holmes
That's a long conversation between you and me.
dan friesen
Maybe we'll do that off-air.
jordan holmes
Yeah, no kidding, because this is already shaping up to be a seven and a half hour long episode as it is.
I don't want to start talking about my peacenik philosophy, despite the fact that I've already called for a revolution.
dan friesen
And the murder of our president.
jordan holmes
Not murder!
The justified...
dan friesen
Right, right, right.
jordan holmes
The justified execution.
dan friesen
Right, right.
jordan holmes
Very different from a murder.
dan friesen
If we can't get undue influence out of our body politic without a war, we have to go to war.
Because the alternative is the erosion of our government.
The erosion of democracy.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
And then we lose everything here.
jordan holmes
The problem there is that we have no moral high ground whatsoever.
dan friesen
None.
We never have, though.
jordan holmes
No, no.
We've done exactly what Russia has done to us.
The real reason that we're angry is not because of the doing of it.
It's that it's happening to us.
dan friesen
But that's human.
jordan holmes
No, no, and I understand that.
That's not wrong.
I'm not saying that there isn't an internal logic to wanting to declare war there.
dan friesen
I don't want to make the argument of, like, America first, because I'm not on that bandwagon.
But if someone punches me, it's way more...
I feel that more than if someone punched you.
I'd be empathic and I wouldn't enjoy you getting punched.
Or anyone.
A stranger getting punched.
I'm not thrilled with it.
I wouldn't like that.
But if someone punched me, it's way more immediate.
I gotta take care of it.
I have to respond somehow, probably by running away.
jordan holmes
Strangely enough, this is one area where I'm gonna go full religion on you.
dan friesen
Oh boy.
jordan holmes
Turn the other cheek?
There is a reason that Jesus has resonated throughout time, and it sure as fuck isn't the Bible.
dan friesen
No.
jordan holmes
Like, I fully subscribe to the philosophy of, look, Russia did this, we corrected it.
Look, like, here's my...
Let me put it to you this way, alright?
Here's my response to 9-11.
We build the tower.
The exact same.
We give no...
There's no record of them doing it.
There is no nothing.
dan friesen
Except all the dead people.
jordan holmes
There is nothing.
But that's the point.
The point is, what they want is us to react in this way.
dan friesen
I don't disagree with you in terms of 9-11, but I think that what we're getting off track is that what I'm saying is, if there is no way to correct this without triggering a war...
If there is a way to correct this without it, that's the preferable path.
jordan holmes
That's a good...
dan friesen
And that's sort of where you and I...
our hearts are at, and that's what we would like to see happen.
But, because of the existence of people like Alex Jones and Keith Olbermann, it seems incredibly unlikely.
This is a conversation for another time, and...
Alex Jones has some thoughts about what happens to treasonous people.
jordan holmes
So good.
alex jones
If he was a crazy guy on the street corner, the cops wouldn't do anything.
The FBI, everybody has to do something.
This is clear.
Clear.
Absolute organized crime, treason, espionage.
Calling on foreign powers for a coup is high treason.
jordan holmes
Organized crime, treason, espionage.
dan friesen
Three different things.
alex jones
That's how the Army still does it.
Or firing squad.
I guess you can pick either one.
And I'm serious, man.
If I was calling for foreign governments to come overthrow our country, I deserved a firing squad.
Let me tell you something.
60 years ago, he would be in front of a firing squad in about a month.
Okay?
I'm serious!
dan friesen
Now, hold on.
This is the foundation.
This is the foundation.
Alex believes that if you commit treason, if you try and induce...
People to take over our government.
jordan holmes
Do you mean, like, saying that the Russians should...
God damn it.
dan friesen
I mean, he only implied that earlier.
jordan holmes
Nothing is real.
dan friesen
But, like, you know, the consequence is being hung till dead.
That is, that he has established that.
We've talked about that in the past.
That's the consequence for treason.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
But now it's coming out of Alex's mouth.
So now we know...
jordan holmes
Which, again, like, my peacenik...
Bonafides are ruined by the fact that Alex Jones is calling for a very similar thing that I am, but for a different guy.
dan friesen
Just for Olbermann.
jordan holmes
Yeah, exactly.
dan friesen
So now we know that he believes that.
That's in his sort of headspace.
So let's move on a little bit.
alex jones
And look how mentally ill he is!
That guy that grew up, never in the real world, the spoiled brat that's called Bathtub Boy because he'd hide in the bathtub and wouldn't do his TV shows.
He's a total mental patient.
And then he wants to sit here and call for our president to be overthrown.
And just look how mentally ill he looks.
Look at how weak his whole identity is in running the government and being a liberal fake.
And then now he isn't getting what he wants and he sees America coming back from the dead.
He's so pissed.
He now abandons the fact that Trump's run by foreign powers, because he's not, and he wants foreign powers to come in.
See, that's the traitor right there.
That's the anti-American scumbag.
I love America.
I love our republic.
I love prosperity.
I'm loyal to this country.
My family's always been loyal.
This guy is not an American.
This is a dirtbag liar that thinks he's better than you.
He thinks you're a bitter clinger.
He's an elitist.
unidentified
And look how freaked out he is, because you got beat.
dan friesen
Well, that's a part of the narrative, but also I just want to point out that in a past episode we discussed how Alex talked about his family fought for the South.
jordan holmes
Yeah, a loyalist.
They've always been loyal to this republic.
dan friesen
Very loyal.
jordan holmes
And then another one, but this one particularly.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
He also gave a speech at the Alamo a couple years back that was dicey.
It was Mark Dicey.
But yeah, what were you saying?
jordan holmes
The narrative...
dan friesen
The bitter clingers.
unidentified
The...
jordan holmes
Fuck.
dan friesen
He thinks he's better than you.
jordan holmes
He thinks he's better than you.
That's the one.
That's the one that people are going to latch on.
That's the one people are going to latch on to.
Of course.
He's yelling at you because he thinks he's better than you.
I'm yelling at you because I love you.
Right.
That's the fucking divorce stepdad situation going on right there.
dan friesen
I hate you because I love you.
Exactly.
So...
Now we're entering the section of the show where he might interrupt every clip immediately.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
And it's going to be great.
alex jones
Hold on.
jordan holmes
I'm going to let you talk here real quick.
Let me let you finish.
alex jones
Let's go to this mental patient.
keith olbermann
I'm Keith Olbermann and this is The Resistance.
I appeal to the...
alex jones
Can't pause again.
Back that up again.
Keith, you damn plagiarist.
We are The Resistance to you, the globalist gang up on America.
You're not the resistance, you plagiarist.
I'm the resistance.
My audience is the resistance.
And guess what?
We kicked your teleprompter-rearing ass to the moon.
dan friesen
That's the first instance of teleprompter threats.
jordan holmes
Teleprompting ass to the moon.
dan friesen
Yeah, so just remember that.
Keep track.
That's one.
But also, like, come on, man.
You didn't come up with the term resistance.
jordan holmes
No, he did.
It's plagiarism.
Nobody's ever thought about it before.
Well, except Will Shakespeare.
dan friesen
Almost every piece of fiction.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Well, not every piece of fiction, but tons of them that involved resisting.
jordan holmes
Yeah, but see, what happened is he was the resistance, right?
Now Olbermann is the counter-resistance, and now we can see that he is the counter-counter-resistance.
dan friesen
Don't say too much about that.
You're going to tip my hand in terms of something very important.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
So, I mean, that's petty and very quick.
Here, Alex gets a little bit threatening.
alex jones
Let's go back to this.
Let's go back to Nancy.
Here he is.
keith olbermann
I'm Keith Olbermann and this is The Resistance.
I appeal to the intelligence agencies and the governments of what is left of the free world.
alex jones
You know, hit pause again.
I'm going to come back to this after the break because let me give you a little message.
All the real people in intelligence agencies around the world don't want to sell their countries out and don't want globalism and don't want poverty and want a future for their kids.
I'd say 80%.
Same thing with the FBI.
You're appealing to people that just helped Trump win the election, dumbass.
Because they're sick of people like you running everything.
Understand?
You're a...
dan friesen
So, hold on.
I didn't want to pause it there.
jordan holmes
The FBI helped Trump get elected because they're sick of people like Olbermann.
dan friesen
It's irrelevant.
Don't worry about that.
jordan holmes
Okay, never mind.
dan friesen
What I think is more important is that only 85% of people don't want their kids to live in poverty.
Very weird.
Very weird statistic.
jordan holmes
No, they want to end the family and then make sure the kids grow up in poverty.
dan friesen
So apparently the globalists are 15% of the population?
jordan holmes
I think everybody knows that 85% of the people want to make sure that school lunches are healthy and contain...
Wait, no.
That's nobody.
That's nobody in the GOP.
dan friesen
Also, 85% throwing that around.
That's...
jordan holmes
That's a big number.
dan friesen
That's 5% nation talk right there.
jordan holmes
Yacoub!
alex jones
...to people that know you're a pile of steaming dog manure.
Okay?
unidentified
Dog manure?
alex jones
Oh, you appeals.
They're trying to sell the idea of a violent overthrow and a civil war.
Hey, jackass, you better pray there's not a civil war because I guarantee you, you're the one calling for all this.
I guarantee you, son.
Sonny boy!
jordan holmes
Whoa!
alex jones
Sonny boy!
Not Sonny boy!
Sonny boy!
Don't open that door!
dan friesen
Three times.
alex jones
You have no idea from the other side of that door.
You little chicken.
You little wimp.
You little Nelly Punk.
You open that gate.
You have no idea.
Let's just go out to break and I'll come back with the rest.
Here it is.
dan friesen
So Alex Jones is really mad.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Someone is...
jordan holmes
It's a dominance thing for him, though.
dan friesen
Totally.
jordan holmes
It has nothing to do with...
This is personal.
Anything that he says.
It's all about...
unidentified
It's very personal.
jordan holmes
Look at this guy who presents himself as an alpha male to the left.
dan friesen
But he doesn't.
jordan holmes
I have to...
No, but that's what Alex is thinking.
unidentified
He thinks that's what...
jordan holmes
That's what Alex is seeing, right?
dan friesen
Yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
Is a man doing his shtick of yelling about...
Overthrowing a globalist government.
And so he has to alpha male it.
dan friesen
But Oberbin really doesn't yell that much.
jordan holmes
No, but that's not the point.
To Alex, maybe everybody is yelling all the time.
dan friesen
That's fair.
jordan holmes
That's entirely possible.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
But the point is, well, he's not yelling, but he is speaking forcefully, directly, to all the world governments of what is left of the free world!
dan friesen
Now you're doing a wrestling promo.
jordan holmes
Yeah, well, that's what he's doing.
That's what Olbermann did.
dan friesen
This next clip is a story in two parts.
The first is the next thing he says when he comes back from break, and the thing after that will be horribly embarrassing for Alex.
keith olbermann
To all of them and to the world's journalists, I make this plea.
We, the citizens of the United States of America, are the victims of a coup.
We need your leaks, your information, your intelligence, your recordings, your videos, your conscience.
The civilian government and the military of the United States are no longer in the hands of the people, nor in the control of any responsible individuals.
alex jones
All right, hit pause.
I can't help it.
Back it up five seconds.
We had an election.
Trump's reshoring the republic.
He's restoring the Constitution.
He's restoring jobs.
How?
He's restoring sovereignty.
jordan holmes
Give one reason.
Give one reason.
alex jones
He fired the guy the Democrats all called on to be fired, Comey.
jordan holmes
You can't just say that.
alex jones
And then Obermann just says it's a coup.
That means it's unelected.
So he now wants foreign governments to overthrow that.
That's called a coup.
So total inversion of reality by this guy.
Here it is.
dan friesen
Inversion of reality, I think that Alex Jones really needs to stop saying coup.
jordan holmes
Coup?
dan friesen
Because here is a clip of Steve Pchenik on Alex Jones' show just after the election.
alex jones
So, Dr. Pchenik, what do you think is really going on here?
unidentified
Well, you know, Alex, you and I have been together.
For a long time.
steve pieczenik
And one of the things that was so obvious and people really didn't get it was when I got onto your show and I said several months ago that Hillary and Bill had affected a civil coup.
unidentified
That wasn't, you know, ex cathedra.
alex jones
That was not ad hominem.
unidentified
That was a very definite...
steve pieczenik
Problem that we in the intelligence community, the selective part of the intelligence community, much of whom were military people, I'm not going to the specifics, and I warned you we would do a counter coup.
unidentified
We did.
steve pieczenik
It was done through emails, through Julian Assange.
I will not name individuals.
I've always said Julian Assange was really a hero for America.
jordan holmes
Do you mean a foreign agent?
steve pieczenik
I guarantee that Russia was not involved.
I have high respect for Vladimir Putin.
alex jones
I've worked with the Russians.
steve pieczenik
I helped to take down the Soviet Union.
unidentified
I still have a very high respect for the Russians.
steve pieczenik
The Russians did not need to hack into anybody's account.
unidentified
They can hack anything they want.
steve pieczenik
So can the Chinese, but we do too.
The real issue at hand is that Hillary failed miserably.
unidentified
And $1 billion...
alex jones
Doc, I'm sorry to interrupt.
The sun's shooting into your camera.
It might also damage it.
unidentified
Can you tilt it down so it doesn't burn out?
jordan holmes
There is nothing...
Alex will not interrupt.
dan friesen
We have to finish the rest of the clip, but it's so funny because then for the next five minutes, there's just some assistant scampering around trying to close his curtains.
They can't figure out how to close the curtains.
It's kind of like a little bit of physical comedy that was 100% not intended, but I loved.
Just like this guy goes...
He tries on the left side.
jordan holmes
Like a Three Stooges sketch?
dan friesen
He tries on the right side, and he's like, oh, this isn't working.
So then it has to go all the way around to the right side.
It's hilarious.
jordan holmes
That's fantastic.
alex jones
Yeah, no problem.
Just as we started talking, the sun shot into the lens.
Thank you.
steve pieczenik
Well, that may be too much light on this issue, but the bottom line is, look at what's really happened.
What's really happened subsequently has nothing to do with Hillary and almost nothing to do with Obama.
We have been able to place through Trump, Mathis, Secretary of Defense, Michael Flynn, the White House, Kellogg in the White House, Homeland Security, military.
unidentified
Look at all the military positions.
jordan holmes
Department of Interior.
dan friesen
But do you get what he's saying?
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Like, I don't...
jordan holmes
It's exactly what he...
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
I don't necessarily believe all of Steve Pachanek's stories, but he's coming on Alex Jones' show, and Alex Jones is congratulating him for hypothetically performing a coup to take the presidency and place people in certain offices.
jordan holmes
It's a countercoup.
dan friesen
One of them...
jordan holmes
Countercoup's fine.
dan friesen
One of them that he mentions is Mike Flynn, who has since registered as a foreign agent that he was lying about back then.
jordan holmes
Countercoup.
dan friesen
How great could his vetting have been about these people that were involved in his coup that he would not, would he have not known that Flynn was in the employ of Turkey?
Would he have not known that?
jordan holmes
Is that possible?
The level of ignorance that Trump could experience...
dan friesen
No, I'm talking about Pechenik at this point.
jordan holmes
Oh, Pechenik.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Ooh, that's a good question.
dan friesen
Could Pechenik have not known that Flynn was working for Turkey?
Is that possible?
jordan holmes
I don't know.
I don't know.
dan friesen
I don't either.
jordan holmes
The fact that he says it's a...
dan friesen
And you're right.
He's mentioning working with Julian Assange.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
So even there is a foreign interest.
jordan holmes
Yeah, exactly.
dan friesen
So Alex...
jordan holmes
I've always said Julian Assange, not American citizen, was a hero because he unduly influenced an American election.
dan friesen
So based on what we've already established about Alex's beliefs about what happens when you commit treason, Steve Pchenik, Alex Jones, Mike Flynn, Kellogg, Mattis, all should be hung in the street.
jordan holmes
Toucan Sam.
dan friesen
Toucan Sam, also hung in the street.
Don't tell me to follow my nose!
jordan holmes
Yeah!
dan friesen
How dare you!
That's condescending.
jordan holmes
No, but yeah, no, you're exactly right.
So they're fine with it if it's Julian Assange leaking this shit that was clearly given to them by a foreign agent.
But if Olbermann says, foreign agents, please leak this shit, then it's treason.
dan friesen
It's all so cockamamie.
jordan holmes
And again, he's pulling this inverted reality.
Oh, this is a complete inverted reality.
I don't know.
dan friesen
It's so weird to not have a team in this fight but hate both.
It's so fucking insane for me because I'm like, I don't fully support what Olbermann's saying.
jordan holmes
Right.
So this is the central question to my response to Olbermann's bullshit.
Is it worthwhile to...
Get rid of Trump by then devaluing all of American intelligence.
Like, do you see what I'm saying right there?
unidentified
No.
jordan holmes
If he's...
Okay.
dan friesen
Not as phrased.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's a...
I really phrased that poorly.
Are you saying...
So what is the...
Is it better to get rid of Trump by any means, or is there a way to get rid of Trump that's the right way?
Do you see what I'm saying?
dan friesen
That's the central dilemma, I think.
jordan holmes
Right.
So, okay, so we get rid of Trump by this leak, right?
So then we put in the next guy, which right now would be Pence.
But if there is a leak, we have to assume that it goes to the Speaker of the House.
dan friesen
I would say Hatch.
I think Ryan's been compromised, too.
jordan holmes
Okay, so...
dan friesen
There's some indications that he, at very least, was having conversations about money shit with Kilsiak at the convention.
jordan holmes
Fuck!
dan friesen
It's all over.
And with that raid that they just did on the strategic campaign group.
Right.
jordan holmes
But that was in association with stuff that was happening in 2013, right?
dan friesen
Not necessarily.
That might be a bit of a smokescreen.
And I don't want to buy into conspiracy theories.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Because...
jordan holmes
Even though we do a conspiracy theory podcast.
dan friesen
Right.
But you have to be incredulous of stuff.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And it is entirely possible that there isn't a ton of connection and what have you.
jordan holmes
But the timing is also very suspect.
dan friesen
And the fact that the guy who was running that company has connections to Roger Stone and Paul Manafort.
unidentified
Of course.
dan friesen
He used to work for their firm.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
He used to be a principal at their firm.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
I don't know if I can fully explain it, necessarily, but deep Robert Mercer ties.
jordan holmes
Oh, God.
Robert Mercer is...
dan friesen
That campaign...
The strategic campaign group created a political action committee for...
What's his name?
Big mustache UN guy for...
Bolton.
John Bolton.
jordan holmes
Oh, okay.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
Now I know who you're talking about.
dan friesen
He created a political action committee for John Bolton, and the only person who donated to it was Mercer.
unidentified
Mercer.
dan friesen
And it was consistent donations of $500,000.
Yeah.
jordan holmes
I think Mercer is one of the...
I would say Mercer got Trump elected at like 70%.
dan friesen
We'll get to that a little bit further in the future.
Like 70%.
We're going to get to that in a little bit.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
But the idea is that that raid also...
It looks like...
It had something to do with Mercer and Cambridge Analytica.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Those sorts of...
jordan holmes
Who we should not talk about because they are fucking watching us.
dan friesen
But those sorts of influences on the campaign.
In addition, there's Russia stuff on the side.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
But the shit that they were doing was...
It's dubious.
jordan holmes
It's pretty wild.
The more you research Cambridge Analytica, the more you're like, AI has taken over.
It's insane.
Big data is scary.
I think this again gets back to our earlier conversation.
I want to get rid of Trump in a way that kills the fewest amount of people.
dan friesen
Right, maybe one.
jordan holmes
Five.
dan friesen
A lot of them should just rot in prison.
jordan holmes
But the problem therein lies if Olbermann does it this way, then if it is foreign agents doing that, then we're in a full-on chaos mode, right?
dan friesen
Sure, sure.
jordan holmes
Like, who trusts who anywhere?
At all.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Like, if it's...
Like, that is world war.
That's not war with Russia.
That's war with every intelligence agency because who knows who's doing what and when and why and...
What will they do this time?
dan friesen
I think that you, me, and Keith Olbermann agree that there's a problem.
Here's what I'm trying to say.
jordan holmes
Yes.
I think you, me, and Olbermann, and frankly Alex Jones and fucking everybody else in the world right now agrees there's a problem.
Nobody can agree on what it is or how to take care of it.
dan friesen
You, me, and Olbermann agree on what the problem is.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
So just for the sake of framing this metaphor.
Yes.
There's a glass bottle of ketchup that's falling off the counter and you know that it's going to break when it hits the ground.
So our response to it would be either try and catch it or get a rag and clean it up.
Whereas, you know, Olbermann's, his response might be throw a bottle of mustard at it.
jordan holmes
Yeah!
dan friesen
Let's try and invalidate that.
jordan holmes
Make hot dogs!
dan friesen
Let's just make a bigger mess.
jordan holmes
That's a very good metaphor.
dan friesen
It's not very good, it's fine.
jordan holmes
It's a good metaphor.
And it made me understand what it is we are...
Yeah, no, it's a good metaphor.
dan friesen
But at the same time, we've gotten way off track from the fact that Alex Jones legitimately for the last six months to a year has been pitching an entire narrative on his show that has to do with a counter-coup to an imagined coup.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
By Hillary Clinton and George Soros and Barack Obama.
jordan holmes
Which, if you're cooing against an imaginary coup, that is just a regular coup.
dan friesen
Right.
Now, if Steve Pachanik wants to come on the podcast, I'd love to talk to him.
That's number one.
Number two, the first question I would have is please prove that there was a coup going on that you were responding to.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Because if there was, that makes things a little bit different.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
That makes, I mean, I don't think his actions are defensible, and I think he's lying about most of the things he's done.
jordan holmes
Just about everything.
dan friesen
But at the same time, I don't think there was the original coup.
I think it was hatred of Hillary and conservatives.
God damn it.
jordan holmes
Racism.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
And so...
jordan holmes
Tax cuts for the rich.
dan friesen
Well, I mean, even fucking Steve Pachanek doesn't believe Sandy Hook happened.
So, like, he is not a real great source.
jordan holmes
God damn it.
dan friesen
His idea that we were just doing a counter-coup, that is a coup.
Whatever you were doing, no matter how effective it is, no matter how much you're lying about it, you had the intention of overthrowing our government.
jordan holmes
Yeah, agreed.
dan friesen
Now, just because you were overthrowing the government while the government was between administrations doesn't really matter.
jordan holmes
Or just because you think you were overthrowing the government for a good reason.
dan friesen
Right, that is even suspicious.
jordan holmes
That's the biggest...
That's the biggest issue when you start throwing coup around, is like, oh!
Well, it's fine if we did a counter-coup because we did the coup for the right reasons.
dan friesen
Right.
According to us.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that just validates anybody who wants to do...
That's vigilante justice in the same way.
We know he's guilty, so that justifies us with doing anything.
unidentified
So now that becomes a perspective issue.
jordan holmes
So now everybody is justified in doing everything that they want in the scope of what they believe to be justice.
dan friesen
And you know why?
That's why this entire rhetoric of inverting reality is so dangerous.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Because if I just make the argument that you've inverted reality, then no matter what you say, it doesn't matter.
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
If I say that you are just...
You're completely wrong about everything.
You're inverting reality.
You're blah, blah, blah.
Then it entirely invalidates you.
jordan holmes
Or if I call you a literal demon that I can smell sulfur coming off of.
dan friesen
I've heard reports.
jordan holmes
It doesn't matter what I say.
It doesn't matter what you say.
You're a demon.
dan friesen
Yeah.
unidentified
Kill.
dan friesen
Even on this podcast, we're like 40-something episodes into it now.
We hate Alex Jones, but we'll give him credit when he makes a good point.
Like, he's not incapable of telling the truth.
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
He just seems to lie all the time.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
And that's the difference.
I would never accuse him of, like, all he does is invert reality.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
He lies all the fucking time.
jordan holmes
He lies all the fucking time.
And generally speaking, he lies in such a way that leans into the truth.
dan friesen
Interesting.
jordan holmes
Meaning, here is a reality right here.
And he lies almost like a fucking knife directly through it, trying to break any kind of continuity there.
dan friesen
That's fair.
jordan holmes
So long as you can lie in this certain spot, you can never allow that kind of continuity to continue with reality.
dan friesen
I'll tell you this.
Rihanna does not love the way he lies.
jordan holmes
I agree with you.
dan friesen
I've been trying to transition to a clip about inverting reality for about the last two minutes.
So my transition games are not strong.
jordan holmes
Which means, once again, Rihanna has saved us both.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
So here we go.
He has some thoughts about inversion of reality.
alex jones
Total inversion of reality by this guy.
Here it is.
keith olbermann
Who can rely?
The first step towards compromising our FBI occurred Tuesday with the unilateral firing of its director by the president, prompted by the attorney general, both of whom are, or were at least in theory possibly to be, Under investigation by the FBI as led by that director, they fired.
Our CIA is run by one of that president's political appointees.
The first national security advisor was fired and may have been a Russian stooge.
The second national security advisor has reportedly been yelled at by the president because he had had the temerity to disagree with him.
jordan holmes
He got yelled at?
keith olbermann
Our State Department is in the hands of useless amateurs.
Our United Nations mission is bereft of power and uninformed.
alex jones
Pause again.
keith olbermann
The White House.
alex jones
Rex Tillerson, if anything, is compromised, bringing in Condoleezza Rice, and is a global expert who's worked in over 160 countries.
So again, that's more false statements.
Pure bull out of a guy openly calling for foreign governments to overthrow our president.
dan friesen
Here's why that clip started with the inversion of reality thing, and I cut it where I did.
unidentified
Rex Tillerson, Tillerson, Is it Tillerson or Tillerson?
dan friesen
Tillerson.
jordan holmes
Tillerson.
dan friesen
Yeah.
He has been an oil CEO who's been to a lot...
jordan holmes
160 countries!
dan friesen
He's been to a lot of countries.
jordan holmes
He got on a plane!
dan friesen
That's not the same as diplomacy.
jordan holmes
Nah, it's the same as diplomacy.
dan friesen
It's not.
I assure you it's not.
jordan holmes
Oil...
I saw there will be blood.
It's the same thing as diplomacy.
dan friesen
But you understand that's the...
jordan holmes
If I said I was an oil man.
unidentified
I said I was an oil man.
jordan holmes
I'm sorry.
I'm sorry.
dan friesen
The inversion of reality is that he's worked in these countries.
He's been there.
He's a great Secretary of State.
The inversion of reality is Alex.
He's pretending that he's qualified to be the Secretary of State because he's talked to CEOs in other countries.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
Whoop-de-shit.
That means nothing.
jordan holmes
I went to London.
I can ambassadorship.
dan friesen
Absolutely.
You're the fucking Farage of this podcast.
jordan holmes
I've been there.
The Farage.
Wow.
That is maybe the worst thing anybody's ever said to me.
dan friesen
I apologize.
So this next clip just gets into straight-up lies, and I got some facts.
alex jones
This is naked treason, and this arrogant SLB thinks it's okay.
Here it is.
keith olbermann
Run by a cabal of an amoral family syndicate that has spent its first three months slapping a dollar sign on anything that stood still long enough.
A cabal with, at its head, a man with seemingly no interest in our laws, in our rights, in our constitution, and with a brain that appears to not work properly.
Through our own negligence, the resentments and stupidities of millions of us, and the boundless greed of our elite class, our democracy has all but slipped away from us.
It hangs today by a thread, and those who could protect it and restore it and fight for it, even at this late date, the Republican politicians whose voices today could force Trump out of office tomorrow, they are almost silent.
Owned by special interests and silenced by a power that...
alex jones
Pause again.
Back it up.
Trump is the only president in 50-plus years who put Pence in charge...
dan friesen
I really wanted just to cut there.
He's the only president in 50 years to put Pence in charge.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
Absolutely true.
jordan holmes
That's true.
dan friesen
It's not.
unidentified
That's true.
jordan holmes
No, that's a true thing.
dan friesen
Yeah, but it goes on.
alex jones
Get rid of all.
All.
Of the special interest.
All of the lobbyists.
And to put bans on them.
jordan holmes
Didn't do that.
alex jones
And bans on whoever works for him being lobbyists for over a decade.
jordan holmes
Definitely didn't do that.
alex jones
The special interest.
Or almost unanimously against him.
Goldman Sachs gave all its money to Hillary.
Jason Morgan Chase, all its money.
Some will argue, well, he's hired Goldman Sachs folks to run things because they know how to run things.
But they're following his orders.
jordan holmes
Some will make a rational argument.
alex jones
What's happening in our economy.
So again, Oberman, you are a liar.
jordan holmes
Speaking of liars, let's find out how much money Goldman Sachs and J.P. Morgan gave to each candidate.
Dan.
I'm going to go to you.
dan friesen
I mean, if you really want to play this game first, we can.
J.P. Morgan Chase gave $1.172 million to Hillary Clinton.
Goldman Sachs gave $1.050 million.
So just over a million dollars from both of them to Hillary Clinton.
They didn't give anything to Trump, as far as I can tell.
But those were like...
That's not that much money for big banks to give to a presidential candidate.
The University of California almost gave $2 million to her.
jordan holmes
That's weird.
dan friesen
Then an offshoot of Google, Alphabet Incorporated gave $1.5 million.
Emily's List.
A political action committee that tries to get more women involved in politics.
jordan holmes
More Emily's involved.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
They have a list of them.
They gave $1.3 million.
jordan holmes
Emily Browning.
dan friesen
All of those are above JPMorgan Chase and Citigroup.
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
Or, I'm sorry, Goldman Sachs.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Citigroup also gave about a million.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
But if we look at Trump's donators, and this is through like...
You know, the Freedom of Information Act, all this stuff is public.
jordan holmes
No, of course.
dan friesen
His number one donator is Renaissance Technologies.
They gave $15,511,600.
jordan holmes
Fuck!
dan friesen
That's a lot of money.
jordan holmes
Renaissance, what do they do?
dan friesen
You want to know what they do?
jordan holmes
I do!
I assume that you didn't know and you just pulled that fact out of nowhere.
dan friesen
They're a company that's owned by Robert Mercer.
Yeah, we mentioned him earlier.
He's a left-wing lunatic.
He's the guy who's responsible for the funding of Breitbart.
jordan holmes
Robert Mercer is not a left-wing lunatic.
dan friesen
Oh, sorry, right-wing.
jordan holmes
He is the most right-wing lunatic.
dan friesen
Okay, you got me scared that I said left-wing there.
jordan holmes
You did say left-wing.
dan friesen
Oh, I apologize.
jordan holmes
That's why I corrected you there.
dan friesen
Oh, he's nutty.
He's basically the purse of Steve Bannon.
He's funded all kinds of things that he's been up to in the past.
He's involved in Cambridge Analytica.
And Renaissance Technologies is a company of his that gave $15 million to Trump's campaign bid.
That whole self-funding canard of his campaign is bullshit.
Of his own money.
jordan holmes
Which he will absolutely recoup.
dan friesen
He already has.
jordan holmes
He already has.
dan friesen
Again and again.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
He made an investment campaign.
He didn't pay for it.
dan friesen
The Chinese granting him a trademark on Trump, that alone will make him...
Billions.
So his second highest donator in the campaign was McMahon Ventures.
jordan holmes
Vince McMahon?
dan friesen
And Linda McMahon, who was named Secretary of Small Business Administration.
They gave $6,2,700.
jordan holmes
Jesus.
dan friesen
So that might look like a little bit of pay-to-play kind of shit.
jordan holmes
Nope.
dan friesen
Also, as much understanding as I have of the pro wrestling business...
There's a real reason why she would want to be in charge of the Small Business Association.
jordan holmes
Really?
dan friesen
Yeah, because there is a trend in pro wrestling towards unionizing the wrestlers.
They're not employees.
They're free contractors.
unidentified
That's right!
jordan holmes
I read that!
dan friesen
Yeah, they don't get insurance.
They have to pay for their own transportation between events and stuff like that.
They're independent contractors, and the WWE has a vested interest.
And them never becoming employees, because it would cost them millions of dollars to insure them.
It's a high-risk sport.
Everyone gets injured all the time.
You have to pay for transportation for, like, 365 days a year for all of these people?
It would be insane.
jordan holmes
It is already insane that they're not employees.
dan friesen
It's wildly abusive as a business practice.
jordan holmes
Very much.
dan friesen
And so Linda McMahon, they obviously think it's worth it to pay Trump $6 million, and then on the off chance he gets in, Office.
She becomes the head of the Small Business Association.
jordan holmes
No, of course.
Of course it's worth it.
Six million dollars would be, what, one year of their WWE travel?
Not even that.
unidentified
Not even close.
jordan holmes
Not even close to that.
dan friesen
They have a roster that's like...
I mean, they have SmackDown and Raw.
They do...
Events on Mondays and Tuesdays for each of them.
They do dark nights in cities on other nights that aren't televised.
They have their pay-per-views.
People are in different cities every day.
It would be insane.
unidentified
And each roster is like 40 deep, 50 deep.
dan friesen
That's like hundreds of people you've got to pay for transportation.
Not including, I mean, I don't know what the situation is with their techs and the people who actually do the building of the set pieces, as it were.
I don't know about that part of the business, but like, yeah, six million is nothing.
Nothing.
Wow.
Fuck that.
jordan holmes
It's almost as though there's a goddamn global cabal of rich people trying to fuck us over.
dan friesen
So interestingly, his next highest funder is a business called G.H. Palmer Associates, and they gave $5,005,400 to the Trump campaign.
That doesn't ring a bell necessarily.
You don't know who that is.
jordan holmes
Nope.
dan friesen
It's owned by a guy named Jeffrey Palmer, who is a man who in 1991 paid a $30,000 fine for laundering campaign contributions to support the blocking of the incorporation of San Clarita, California as a city.
And the reason he did that is because he had a bunch of property in the town he knew his taxes would go up if it became incorporated as a city.
And there would be all sorts of registrations, all kinds of things he'd have to follow, all sorts of rules.
And so what he did is he had a big company.
He had his employees donate to this anti...
No fucking way.
And then he paid them back for it.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
And then had to pay a $30,000 fine for it.
Now, he is still active to this day.
jordan holmes
A $30,000 fine is fucking nothing to that guy.
There is no punishment for these people.
dan friesen
For giving money to try and subvert the will of people.
jordan holmes
There's no punishment for this.
dan friesen
So, I looked into him a little bit more, and I found this awesome article in Curbed.com, and it's about Jeffrey Palmer.
Developer Jeff Palmer has built more apartments in downtown Los Angeles than anyone else.
More than 3,000.
And they're all fucking terrible.
His squat nearly identical fortresses with embarrassing names like the Visconti and the Medici aren't just ugly, although they are very ugly.
They're vacuums designed to suck the life out of a neighborhood that has worked so hard to become lively in the past decade.
So basically what he does is he comes in and makes cookie cutter.
jordan holmes
Yeah, he's a developer that fucks up.
He makes projects.
That's what he does.
dan friesen
Very expensive projects.
unidentified
Jesus.
dan friesen
That specifically are designed to keep affordable housing out of neighborhoods.
jordan holmes
Of course.
dan friesen
So this article goes on to give some of his worst hits.
Here are a couple of them.
Palmer wrote in an email to Los Angeles magazine that he, quote, wanted to recapture downtown's former glory with the buildings, which are collectively referred to barfingly as the Renaissance collection.
He adds that his totally incomprehensible but kind of Italianate architecture style is actually historical.
The Italians actually settled L.A. before the Spanish and Chinese.
What the fuck?
The Spanish founded LA in the late 1700s.
jordan holmes
What is he fucking talking about?
unidentified
I don't know.
jordan holmes
The Italians?
dan friesen
Yeah.
unidentified
Mm-hmm.
jordan holmes
Wow.
That's a complete inversion of reality!
dan friesen
Yep.
Palmer's the man responsible for destroying the very last building in the lost downtown neighborhood of Bunker Hill.
The city wiped out most of the neighborhood, which it deemed a slum, starting in the 1950s.
But there was one 1800...
1800's Queen Anne House left on Cesar Chavez Avenue and Figueroa Street in the late 1980s, when Palmer began to work there on the Orsini.
It was called the Geese House, and it was protected under preservation laws.
There were plans in place to move the house to Angeleno Heights, but Palmer's workers demolished it instead.
Their excuse?
A bulldozer had accidentally backed into it, making it unsavable.
It gets even more screwed up though.
When the city suggested it might hold Palmer accountable for his actions, he sued the city.
In the end, he only had to pay $200,000 and provided some public mitigations.
jordan holmes
Jesus Christ.
dan friesen
Which basically, the public mitigations that we can find are that all of his amenities are private.
So basically, he has outward-facing homes.
Yeah.
unidentified
So like, if you walk down the street, it's just the facade of a building.
dan friesen
Uh-huh.
unidentified
But then interially, there will be like a pool in a courtyard and shit like that.
dan friesen
He has one building that has a fountain.
Jesus.
That is accessible to the public.
And so that is his public mitigation.
unidentified
That's it.
dan friesen
Yep.
unidentified
This is...
jordan holmes
We are living in the exact same circumstance as the Roaring Twenties.
dan friesen
Hold on.
jordan holmes
Like, we're in robber baron territory.
unidentified
Hold on.
dan friesen
There's more to this.
Palmer's potentially hurt efforts throughout the state to build more badly needed affordable housing.
He's won two lawsuits to keep affordable apartments out of his buildings, including one over the Piero 2 that pokes a hole in the city's ability to make zoning laws that require affordable housing.
According to LA Magazine, affordable housing advocates often blame that decision, the one that Palmer was responsible for, when they point to the paucity of low-income housing downtown.
So he's actively hurting the ability of people to get apartments.
Palmer's properties are, according to Palmer's company, 95% full.
Rents range from about $2,000 to about $5,000, but the tenants don't actually seem to like it there.
Quote, Also, someone had emailed...
this article and they made an update that the Palmers buildings are also magnets for break-ins far more than any other downtown buildings.
Plus, they have tons of security cameras that don't seem to stop any of that.
I read the article that was linked to about the break-ins and it's insane.
The statistics in terms of like what you should expect for these buildings.
Right.
unidentified
It's like eight times.
jordan holmes
Jesus.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
They're just super easy to break into apparently.
Wow.
unidentified
So, uh, that's his third biggest, Donator, who's a shitty slumlord on a massive scale.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
You know who's next?
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
The NFL's team, the Houston Texans.
jordan holmes
That actually sounds about right.
dan friesen
They gave over two million dollars.
jordan holmes
The NFL is a slumlord operation, if ever there wasn't.
dan friesen
No, but why was it specifically the Houston Texans?
jordan holmes
I have no idea.
unidentified
I don't either.
jordan holmes
They fucking love Houston.
dan friesen
I have no idea.
jordan holmes
Alex Jones, he's the Texan.
It's the Houston, the Texans!
dan friesen
We got Robert Mercer, Linda McMahon, this slumlord, and then the Houston Texans.
jordan holmes
That sounds about right.
dan friesen
Three out of four make total sense.
But the argument there that we're talking about with Alex and shit...
jordan holmes
If you know more about the NFL's business model, then it's more shocking that all of the NFL didn't donate.
dan friesen
Or Roger Goodell.
jordan holmes
Yeah, Roger Goodell can go fuck himself.
dan friesen
Right, but so like...
When you want to say that Hillary's evil because she took a million dollars from J.P. Morgan, you got five times that from this shitty slumlord.
You got six times that from Linda McMahon.
jordan holmes
How much did Donald Sterling give?
dan friesen
Well, there's no way of knowing.
A lot of individual donations aren't really...
jordan holmes
Are through super PACs and the like.
dan friesen
Yeah, I tried to find breakdowns of the Donald Trump for President PAC, and I just can't find...
And I don't think that's publicly available.
jordan holmes
It's very specifically not publicly available.
That's the whole point of Super PACs.
Like, the idea that Goldman Sachs did not donate anything to Trump's campaign is fucking insane.
Because I guarantee that individuals from Goldman Sachs absolutely donated a shit ton of money to Trump.
There's no way they didn't.
dan friesen
So now we've got to get back to the other bullshit that was in that clip.
Jesus!
Because there's so much bullshit in there.
Like, that one is like, alright, you can hang your hat on these banks giving her money.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
Whatever.
jordan holmes
Public banks.
dan friesen
Now we go back to the lobbying thing.
jordan holmes
Uh-huh.
dan friesen
Because Trump did put out an executive order that said that people can't lobby.
jordan holmes
I recall that.
dan friesen
For that.
Unfortunately, a little bit after that, it came out that he was just giving people secret waivers.
jordan holmes
Oh, what a surprise!
dan friesen
He was giving lobbyists in his campaign secret waivers.
Oh, it doesn't matter.
Who cares?
unidentified
Who cares?
Well, he promised that he would cut down...
jordan holmes
Like, when he was campaigning, that was the one thing where you could not argue that.
dan friesen
Sure, special interests, get rid of lobbyists.
jordan holmes
Yeah, the whole idea of saying, I'm going to get rid of lobbyists, is a good idea.
unidentified
Yep.
jordan holmes
One that should be done.
dan friesen
Totally.
jordan holmes
And it seems like it has not been done, even in the slightest.
dan friesen
It is not.
I am going to read to you from this New York Times article.
The federal government's top ethics officer is challenging the Trump campaign's issuance of secret waivers that allow former lobbyists to handle matters they recently worked on, setting up a confrontation between the ethics office and President Trump.
The move by Walter M. Schaub Jr., the director of the Office of Governmental Ethics, is the latest sign of rising tension between Mr. Schaub and the Trump White House.
Mr. Schaub has tried several times to use his limited powers to force Mr. Trump to broadly honor federal ethics rules, as well as the ethics order that Mr. Trump himself signed in late January.
That's a bad start to the article.
jordan holmes
That is the largest uphill battle there ever has been.
The ethics office is trying to force the least ethical administration in any of our lifetimes.
To observe ethical norms.
dan friesen
And their own ethical standards.
jordan holmes
Yeah, no.
dan friesen
Just do what you said.
jordan holmes
Not even close.
No!
Constitutionally, he's already violated the Emoluments Clause 10 million times.
He should have been out of office on day one.
dan friesen
Totally.
The most recent request came late Friday when Mr. Schaub asked every executive branch agency, including the White House, to give him, by June 1st, a copy of any waivers issued to political employees, allowing them to ignore any part of the executive branch's ethics policy, saying in his letter that he was, quote, advancing the mission of the executive branch ethics program.
Such waivers are typically issued when the administration wants to allow a new political employee to work on an issue, like federal housing or environmental policy, that involves people in the new...
For example, Mr. Schaub is challenging.
First, Mr. Trump eliminated a prohibition imposed by Barack Obama in 2009 on the hiring of staff members who, in the previous two years, had been a lobbied the agency they now wanted to work for.
Former lobbyists seeking jobs in Mr. Trump's administration must get a waiver from the ethics rules if they want to work on matters that overlap with their lobbying assignments in the previous two years.
jordan holmes
But.
unidentified
Ah, there's a but.
dan friesen
Mr. Trump has chosen to keep the waivers secret.
He dropped a practice in place during the Obama administration that any waiver would be shared with the Office of Governmental Ethics and posted on the White House website or the ...or on both.
The combined result...
Eliminating the ban on hiring former lobbyists and keeping secret any waivers granted to new hires means the public has no way of knowing if Mr. Trump's staff are complying with the rules.
jordan holmes
Which they are not.
The public has a very simple way of knowing whether or not Trump's staff is complying with the rules, whether or not anybody is complying with the rules, and so far, publicly, fucking nobody!
dan friesen
Nope.
jordan holmes
So why would you imagine the secret bullshit is even coming close to complying with the rules?
dan friesen
The article goes on to talk about how the idea of terminating the release of the visitor logs to the White House only plays into that even more.
jordan holmes
That one is brutal.
dan friesen
Yeah, so the idea of lobbyists don't even have to really do anything.
They can just show up.
jordan holmes
They don't even need to hide this shit anymore.
The idea that you give a nuclear physicist a waiver...
Even though he's worked with GE in the past, you're like, dude, I don't even...
He's a nuclear physicist.
There's a part of me that's like, oh, he's a nuclear physicist?
Fine.
I'm good with it.
dan friesen
No, I totally support that.
I think that's oversight, and it's great.
And it's public.
That all is great.
That is like Obama giving waivers to people is...
I mean, we don't like the idea of...
Lobbyists being involved in things that they...
But at the same time, if it's all out in the open and done officially, there are reasons for a nuclear physicist to work in the field that he used to work in.
jordan holmes
And it didn't even seem like he was doing lobbying.
It was like, he just worked for GE in the past.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
So the whole point of that waiver is like, we know you worked for them.
dan friesen
We want to be way above board.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
You've worked for them, and so if you were not paying attention, and if you just got the headline, Former GE employee now working for the Obama administration.
dan friesen
On energy policy.
jordan holmes
Yeah, exactly.
You'd be like, oh, there's something going on there.
Instead of former GE employee who was also a nuclear physicist who has a clear expertise that he gave to GE as well as the Obama administration instead of just...
This guy worked for them.
dan friesen
Well, dude, what it is is, like, Obama dotted his T's and crossed his I's, as it were.
I know I got that backwards.
But, like, he crossed his T's and dotted his I's.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
With little hearts.
dan friesen
But Trump doesn't know how to write.
Like, that's basically what's going on.
They were too careful.
He doesn't realize, eh, who cares?
jordan holmes
Who gives a shit?
I don't think they were too careful.
I think Obama had to be exactly as careful as he was.
dan friesen
Now we get into race shit.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
That's what I'm saying.
No matter what Obama did, he was fucked.
And apparently, no matter what Trump does, nobody's gonna stop him.
dan friesen
Yep.
And that is all the evidence you need that we live in a profoundly racist society.
jordan holmes
Absolutely.
dan friesen
Anyway, this next clip is about Comey a little bit, and then we get into...
jordan holmes
Do we get back to Olbermann?
alex jones
It's pathetic what you claim!
Back to Olbermann.
keith olbermann
And those who could protect it and restore it and fight for it, even at this late date, the Republican politicians whose voices today could force Trump out of office tomorrow, they are almost silent, owned by special interests and silent.
Okay, let's get pausing in.
alex jones
Hey, Oberman, every major Democrat that goes on television or tweets, from Hillary Clinton to her husband to Nancy Pelosi to Maxine Waters to Michael Moore, all of them have come out and said, get rid of Comey, he's horrible.
But now you claim that's not the case because you think your viewers are a bunch of idiots.
And the type of folks that go to GQ...
To get their news and think they're smart, to watch you read off a teleprompter, the names of spy agents, he's like, oh my gosh, you're so smart, and every 30 seconds you look down at papers to imply you have notes and aren't reading off a teleprompter, shows your total acting deception.
Mr. Baby.
dan friesen
So that's teleprompter too, but also Mr. Baby.
unidentified
Mr. Baby, I love you!
dan friesen
We can move on to the next clip, because that's all stuff we've already covered.
It's all that false equivalence.
It's all that false equivalent shit about...
jordan holmes
I am going to deal with none of what you said.
I am instead going to say what I want to say.
dan friesen
And that, you know, hey, I'm going to pretend that what Democrats said about a different situation applies to this current situation.
jordan holmes
Whatever Democrats are doing, we're doing, but only to stop Democrats from doing what we're doing.
dan friesen
Now, unfortunately, in this next clip, Alex kind of loses track of what's going on.
The hinges come off the door.
And we see what's behind it, and we see what he's really mad about.
alex jones
Mr. Baby, here it is.
keith olbermann
The majority party evidently wrings its hands about timing and how troubled they are, and then they go back to calculating how they will most easily get re-elected.
alex jones
Well, let's hit pause again.
I agree that a lot of the Republicans are a bunch of hand-wringing, blue-blood scum that we're going to remove from office through the ballot box, Dumbo, not through martial law or civil insurrection or foreign powers and coup d 'etats that you're calling for while you claim we've done that.
We've got people running for office everywhere, winning, promoting prosperity, the Second Amendment, defending Christians' rights, defending our republic.
And you don't like it.
Your time of kicking Christians around and having deals with the Islamists to have their way and sexually mutilate women and put hijibs on little girls' heads and teach Islam in the schools are over.
You leftist track.
You hated Christianity so much, you made a deal with radical Islam in Europe and the U.S. to bring it in to cuckold us.
And basically wreck Lady Liberty in front of us while she's chained down on a bed and while we're chained down with a ball gag in our mouth.
Americans aren't into bondage, boy.
jordan holmes
Very specific.
alex jones
And we're not going to be enslaved by East Coast fop, fake, pseudo-intellectual pieces of garbage reading off teleprompters.
Do you understand, Oberman?
Do you understand that, you filthy, degenerate, un-American, seditious slime bag?
I hope you do.
Because you disgrace your family.
You are the biggest liar this planet's ever seen.
And there are a bunch of old, stupid Republican establishment people that really care what CNN and MSNBC still say or think.
And they still are scared of you, Oberman.
And still are impressed by you, Oberman.
But most of us aren't impressed anymore, Oberman.
dan friesen
The good news is that he's totally in control.
jordan holmes
When he's angry, it's because he lets his anger out.
dan friesen
Right, right.
jordan holmes
He's letting it out.
He's letting the dogs off the leash.
dan friesen
He lets himself accidentally expose, as you were saying, that this is all about this warped version of conservatism that is all about guns and Christian fear.
jordan holmes
No, there's no...
Like, does...
I worry that...
Every single Republican conservative who throws the Constitution around has never actually read fucking word one.
Like they know the Second Amendment?
And that's fucking it.
dan friesen
Listening to episodes back from 2014, I can tell you that every single order that Alex Jones sends out from the Infowars store comes along with the pocket Constitution.
jordan holmes
Right?
unidentified
Well, that is the thing about it, is that...
jordan holmes
At no point in time do they ever talk about fucking anything but the Second Amendment.
And just like we saw.
Just like we saw.
dan friesen
Even when they do, it's not nuanced.
jordan holmes
No, no, no.
Second Amendment, Christianity.
That's fucking it.
The end of what conservatives' ideology regarding the Constitution matters.
dan friesen
But even in the case of Alex, it's not really about supporting those things.
It's about fear.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
It's about this, like, he gets into that idea of, like, You liberals are in bed with Islam and it's cuckolding us.
jordan holmes
Right.
It's cuckling us.
It's not cuckolding us.
dan friesen
It's warming the cuckolds of our heart.
jordan holmes
It's cuckling!
dan friesen
So that was just nuts.
jordan holmes
That is nuts.
dan friesen
That was nuts.
jordan holmes
But it's so revealing.
It's so revealing.
Like, the thing about...
The thing that we talked about last episode, too, was he's always priming people for the argument.
This is...
There's, like, fucking...
Okay, you support the Second Amendment.
Name the fourth.
dan friesen
Sure.
Search and seizure?
jordan holmes
What's the 17th?
What's the 21st?
Like, all of this shit, you go through all of these constitutional amendments, and...
Again, imagine the world where these amendments fucking happen.
Like, it requires two-thirds of the states.
It requires two-thirds of the Congress.
It requires two-thirds of all of the shit.
It is impossible.
dan friesen
Never.
jordan holmes
It is impossible to imagine amendments happening today.
dan friesen
Never.
unidentified
Right?
dan friesen
Never.
jordan holmes
You can't imagine one amendment to the Constitution other than maybe in six months an amendment very similar to a Simpsons situation where it says...
No trumps.
Like, that's it.
dan friesen
No more reality show people.
jordan holmes
Yeah, exactly.
That is an amendment I bet we could get two-thirds on.
dan friesen
It's possible.
But anyway, if you thought that last clip was crazy, you're not ready for this clip.
jordan holmes
I'm definitely not.
That one's still infuriating me.
alex jones
If you went to a public school sporting event like I do, and you took your children there to compete in that, with a private school that competes with public schools, and you walked up and had all this...
Third and fourth and fifth graders run over like you were a rock star.
You'd be impressed, wouldn't you?
Those kids don't know who you are, Oberman.
They know who I am, Oberman.
unidentified
And that shows how you've been rejected completely and how you're hated.
alex jones
And only old East Coast and West Coast trendies, scared of their own shadows, scared of freedom, scared of America, who hate Christians and love Islam, they're the only ones that like you.
In your little pseudo-intellectual outfit you wear, Mr. Oberman.
Okay, Mr. Oberman?
unidentified
How fucking awesome is that?
dan friesen
Alex is bragging about being huge with the ten-year-old market.
The nine to eleven-year-old market of third to fifth grade.
They love me at my kids' school.
jordan holmes
I'm done.
I'm done.
I quit the show.
I quit the show.
That's all I've ever wanted.
dan friesen
I wish that was the end.
jordan holmes
Olbermann!
Olbermann!
Let me ask you a question.
unidentified
Have you ever been to my son's soccer game?
alex jones
No!
So shut the fuck up!
jordan holmes
You're not a patriot!
Because my son scored two goals!
dan friesen
Two!
Now, I want to be clear about something.
What is there to...
jordan holmes
To be clear about, that's the craziest shit I've ever heard.
dan friesen
When I was in high school, I took broadcast production classes, and there was a guy who was on local access TV who taught the classes.
His name was Ron Widbin.
He was cool as shit.
He was a really nice guy.
unidentified
There's only two ways to go if you're Ron Widbin.
dan friesen
Ron Widbin.
unidentified
Ron?
jordan holmes
Widbin.
dan friesen
Widbin.
jordan holmes
Okay, yeah.
That's the super coolest dude?
dan friesen
The coolest.
jordan holmes
Or that is the single fucking worst dude you've ever met in your life.
His name is Rod...
dan friesen
Ron...
Ron...
jordan holmes
Windbin.
dan friesen
Ron Widbin.
jordan holmes
I'm never gonna remember that name.
dan friesen
He had a show on public access called Widbin's Way, and then he got involved with the school and he started teaching broadcast production classes.
And there was a station called, on TV, Channel 16. It was like school access.
And he taught kids how to use cameras and create news stories.
That was the class.
And then your stories would be on the public access.
I did that for three years in high school.
And he was like a mentor to me.
He was a really awesome dude.
But I can tell you that when he went to games that his kids played in, like, when he went...
Just because he was kind of a local celebrity.
jordan holmes
He was a local celeb.
dan friesen
In the same way that, Alex, there's not a lot of media in Austin.
If you go to a game, that's a big deal for kids who just know the idea this guy is famous.
Right.
unidentified
When you're 10, you don't know about the globalists.
dan friesen
You also don't know this guy's a huge liar.
jordan holmes
Look, there are two bellwethers I know regarding popularity.
Right.
unidentified
One.
dan friesen
Knowledge of globalists.
jordan holmes
How many shirts are being sold?
Sure.
How do ten-year-olds feel about you?
dan friesen
Well, like, it's so pathetic, too, because even if you take the artifice away from it, even if you take the part that they're lies...
jordan holmes
Hold on!
His argument is that ten-year-olds love him!
Anyways, keep going.
dan friesen
But even if you take it on its purest merits, and that he is telling the truth, he is making an argument that I'm more popular than you.
Which is, at its base, petty, and it kind of is against what he tries to argue.
jordan holmes
Well, he always argues that it's not about him.
It's not about him.
dan friesen
But it's about him being popular with ten-year-olds.
jordan holmes
Well, it is about...
It's about...
Can we...
Alright.
dan friesen
I don't believe that it's impressive to...
Like, even if those kids agreed with you on your bullshit positions, Alex, I don't believe that it's impressive that people who aren't done forming their brains agree with you.
jordan holmes
Well, now this...
dan friesen
They don't have political positions at ten.
jordan holmes
This begs the question.
And I ask this to you, Policy Wonks.
How many of you are 10?
And how do 10-year-olds feel about us?
dan friesen
Jesus, I don't want to know.
For a while, there was a girl called in my old podcast, Freezing Point, and she was like 17. And I was like, I can't talk to you.
I know you're just calling into my podcast, but this is still somehow illegal.
If you're 10, stop listening to this podcast.
I don't want you to mob me when I go to my son's games.
jordan holmes
I don't want you to have a son.
I don't want me to have a son either.
dan friesen
So, Alex, congratulations on the fourth grade market.
I'm pretty thrilled with you.
Now, if you thought that his rant was over, it's not.
I had to segment it off.
This next part...
That is weird.
Like, that was weird.
jordan holmes
That was super weird.
dan friesen
This is even weirder.
jordan holmes
How is that?
How is it?
Okay.
alex jones
Let's go back to the crimes you're calling for on air and how you project what you're claiming on us.
Back to him.
keith olbermann
We, the citizens of the United States of America, are victims of a coup.
For months, we have heard that your organizations have damning evidence against Donald John Trump.
unidentified
Whatever evidence you may have, you cannot conceal it any longer.
alex jones
Oh, no.
keith olbermann
Whatever we in this country are to you now.
alex jones
For months we've heard from liars like you there's all this damning evidence.
When Trump lives one of the cleanest lives there is and is all about winning and all about never letting himself get any trouble and being upright, all he does is eat sweets.
Two scoops of ice cream and a piece of cake every night.
That's what he does.
No alcohol, no drugs, no cigarettes, no nothing.
Everybody knows it.
That's why he's so successful and so healthy at 70 years of age.
You liar.
But you go, we hear you've got all this stuff.
Give it to us.
Oh, like BuzzFeed was made up PP gate?
What if I said BuzzFeed said you got found, Keith Oberman, with about four or five little two-year-olds having sex with him?
It's not true.
You never did that.
You're not a pedophile, Mr. Oberman.
But what if we acted like the press does for Trump?
What if that's...
Skip this break.
What if it was like that, Mr. Oberman?
How about we said...
Mr. Overman, that you're a bank fraud expert.
You've stolen money from children's charities.
None of that's true.
But you know who it is true about?
That Clinton stole 97% of the money from Haiti.
They organized the charities and stole it.
But you will never report on that because you're a pseudo-intellectual preying on America and your whole cult and culture is hating those of us that live in flyover territory.
Isn't that right, Mr. Overman?
Let's go back to your lies.
jordan holmes
Let me ask you a question.
dan friesen
I'm listening.
jordan holmes
What?
unidentified
Mm-hmm.
jordan holmes
So, two scoops of ice cream?
dan friesen
That came out in the news, apparently.
jordan holmes
No, no, no.
So the news said that Donald got two scoops and everybody else got one scoop, which, again...
dan friesen
Who cares?
jordan holmes
I don't want to live in this world.
dan friesen
And who cares?
jordan holmes
I want to die.
I want to die because that's on the news.
dan friesen
Right, right.
jordan holmes
But second, that's a pro?
dan friesen
I guess.
jordan holmes
He eats?
dan friesen
No, that's his vice.
jordan holmes
That's his vice.
dan friesen
Also assaulting women.
jordan holmes
Also every night?
dan friesen
Also assaulting women.
jordan holmes
There's only one vice that I accept.
dan friesen
Sweets.
jordan holmes
Sweets.
dan friesen
He's got a sweet tooth.
He's got a sweet tooth.
He lives the cleanest life.
That's why he's a mentally degraded 70-year-old who's clearly on amphetamines and his weirdo doctors vouch for him.
Clearly.
Look.
That part is...
jordan holmes
That's the craziest fucking thing I've ever heard.
dan friesen
That's fucking hilarious.
jordan holmes
That's fucking lunacy.
dan friesen
But then at the same time, he's...
Okay, so I want to come totally clean.
I've been doing tons...
jordan holmes
You've eaten ice cream before?
You monster!
dan friesen
One time, I had two ice cream bars.
jordan holmes
You bastard!
dan friesen
One night, two ice cream bars.
jordan holmes
One night?
dan friesen
Yeah.
So I've been doing a lot of listening...
jordan holmes
Was there peanut butter?
unidentified
I have, yeah.
Cups.
dan friesen
Cups.
jordan holmes
Fuck.
dan friesen
I've been listening...
jordan holmes
This...
Invalidated our entire argument.
dan friesen
I've been doing a lot of back research on Alex Jones' shows, and I've started to realize that he is an adaptable creature, and he learns from his past mistakes, and his behavior gets changed.
jordan holmes
Like the xenomorph.
dan friesen
Well, in this instance, you heard him do that speculation about, you know, Colberman, what if I said you're a pedophile?
You're not.
You are not.
jordan holmes
Right.
In the past, he wouldn't have said that.
dan friesen
But because he's being sued...
By Chobani, he's very clear to be like, no, I'm not saying that.
Because he has to get that in.
This is exactly the same thing that happened on December 21st, 2012.
He learned the lesson of Y2K.
We went over the Y2K episode.
Where he was causing panic and being like, they're out of gas all over Austin.
There's concentration camps being set up.
jordan holmes
In the airport.
dan friesen
There's no water.
Yeah, there was all kinds of shit that he was doing.
When the next sort of big media hoax end of the world thing happened.
jordan holmes
Oh, that's right.
Like you said, December 21st, 2012.
And I was like, that just seems like a regular date.
And now I remember.
That's when people thought the world was going to end.
dan friesen
That was supposed to be the end of the Mayan calendar.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And so on that episode, first of all, on the 21st, he had David Icke as a guest, which is great trolling.
That's hilarious.
But on the 20th, he is going on like, well, we're on the eve of the end of the world.
I've got to be honest, I'm being sarcastic, everyone.
I'm being sarcastic.
jordan holmes
That's nice.
dan friesen
He had to really emphatically be like...
Listen, I got fucking crucified because of how fucked up I was on Y2K.
I'm not doing that again.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
He isn't an adaptable creature.
It's interesting to me.
It's like, you see him being checked, kind of, by the world.
Now, he eventually will end up forgetting those checks.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Like, he's going to slander someone again in the future.
jordan holmes
Are Alex?
dan friesen
Yeah, but for now, it's recent enough, and it is the next time he's like...
Oh, fuck, I'm close to slander.
I've got to really point out that I'm not saying this.
jordan holmes
Also, and it's also like, my go-to is pedophilia.
unidentified
Right.
jordan holmes
That's my go-to.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
Because that's the worst crime you can commit.
dan friesen
Or vampire if I want to be vague.
jordan holmes
Yeah, exactly.
But I know I can't do that as aggressively now.
So I'm going to say it and then walk it back just a tiny bit.
dan friesen
To fraud?
jordan holmes
Exactly.
dan friesen
And then also that Hillary stuff isn't true.
Look into it.
97% I mean, there's a lot of, I mean, most charities don't give nearly as much.
jordan holmes
No, you should absolutely research a charity before you give to it, because a lot of them are, while they're non-profits, they are also, you know, there's still a lot of them businesses in a lot of ways.
dan friesen
That's why I support giving to independent charities.
jordan holmes
Absolutely.
dan friesen
Like the Ali Forney Center that we've given to in the past.
Look, the Clinton Foundation isn't perfect.
But they were not running a scam to rob Haiti of all their money.
unidentified
No.
dan friesen
That part is fucking cockamamie bullshit.
They just played by the same rules that lots of charities do.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
And if you want to go by scams to rob Haiti of their money, God, there are so goddamn many.
dan friesen
Why, Clef?
But also, at the same time, you have to understand, if you're running a global charity, there's massive overhead to it.
In terms of administration, employees, things like that.
So a lot of that money is just by default going to be deroited, which is why.
jordan holmes
Which we're not supporting at all.
dan friesen
That's why we're talking about when you want to give to something, direct charity is usually the best way to go.
Because there's less overhead, there's more on the ground, the resources go more directly to the cause that you're interested in supporting.
jordan holmes
Right.
And what's the most effective form of charity?
Volunteering.
Federal funding.
dan friesen
Oh.
Well, that too.
jordan holmes
That is.
dan friesen
Well, unfortunately, that's gone.
jordan holmes
Yeah, exactly.
No, there are so many different things that you get rid of in terms of oversight and the like if it is a direct one-to-one federal funding charity.
dan friesen
This episode's going to be four fucking hours long.
jordan holmes
How many hours are we at already?
dan friesen
We're at three.
unidentified
Ooh!
dan friesen
I have more clips.
jordan holmes
Jesus!
Let's do it!
dan friesen
Okay, so this next clip...
jordan holmes
Listen up, policy wonks.
You're the ones who asked for this.
dan friesen
Bunch of you have said, hey, there's no such thing as too long.
We'll find out.
So this next clip is a string of bullshit and then a character assassination that does not land with me.
alex jones
Sure does.
keith olbermann
...ability and our freedom.
And a government controlling this country that is at least sane is your surest guarantee of a prosperous future.
Indeed, perhaps...
alex jones
Yeah, let's teach kids all over the United States that they need to be trannies.
And let's teach them that mother and father is hurtful, so you can't use that.
Let's ban whiteboards in school.
Let's have professors say there's no free speech at colleges.
And let's have Soros fund Black Lives Matter to go out and kill cops.
jordan holmes
And let's build a straw man everywhere.
Let's build a straw man here.
Let's build a straw man there.
alex jones
I hate straw man.
The Democrats canceling their TV shows.
All your insanity.
And then you point your finger at us with pure projection and then say that we are the insane ones.
Let's go back to Keith Oberman, who when he was in MSNBC, they called him Bathtub Boy because he demanded a bathtub in his dressing room and he would lock the door and sit in the bathtub for hours.
That is a fact.
jordan holmes
Alex Jones.
alex jones
Bathtub boy.
Little spoiled rotten sportscaster that knows everything is now going to sit up here like a general and call for foreign forces to overthrow our president while he claims that we're the coup d 'etat when he's the coup d 'etat.
Here it is.
dan friesen
So now I want to be clear.
jordan holmes
Goddammit.
dan friesen
I want to be clear.
All those things that he brought up are things that we have discussed and debunked in the past.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
The whiteboards on campus.
jordan holmes
The whole shebang.
dan friesen
Black Lives Matter killing cops.
All that stuff is nonsense.
jordan holmes
Whole shebang.
dan friesen
Whole cloth.
unidentified
Bathtub boy.
jordan holmes
I've never heard bathtub before.
dan friesen
Neither have I, but I'll tell you this.
jordan holmes
Did you look into it?
dan friesen
No, but if I had a TV show, you got it damn right, I have a bathtub.
In my green room?
Are you kidding me?
I love a bath.
I don't think that, like, that to me does not look, like, that's not like some sort of sign of a blue blood, whatever.
That's kind of a brooding.
A bath is a contemplative place where you're retreating.
jordan holmes
You have a glass of white wine and a book and you just wonder about yourself.
dan friesen
It's like a womb, kind of.
It's almost hiding out.
The attack does not land.
Give me caviar in the tub.
That's not what I see.
I see Keith Olbermann just being super stressed out.
I love baths.
I've got to be on set all the time.
I have to make this show.
I can read in the tub.
That's a thing that relaxes me.
Why the fuck?
What's wrong with that?
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And if people started calling me bathtub boy, I'd high-five them.
I get that insult from a lot of my friends that are like, hey, you know, you never get clean in the tub.
I'm like, that's not the primary function.
I take showers also, but I like to sit in the tub.
I like, for most of my life, I was a bubble bath guy, but then as I got older, I transitioned to bath salts.
Bath salts are amazing.
jordan holmes
This got very personal for you.
It did.
The bathtub boy thing.
dan friesen
Don't attack me, Alex.
Tubs are great.
jordan holmes
I'm fine with you in a bathtub.
dan friesen
And I fucking guarantee that Alex has a huge bathtub in his palatial mansion.
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
dan friesen
His million-dollar home.
jordan holmes
Do you know what?
To me, opulence is not the bathtub.
To me, opulence is the double showerhead.
dan friesen
Oh, yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
Have you ever taken a shower with two showerheads?
dan friesen
I'm aware of its existence, but no.
jordan holmes
Oh, I had a...
dan friesen
One from the back, one from the front?
jordan holmes
Oh, oh.
I had a, so when I was in college or something, one of my friends had a rich friend, and we stayed over at their, like, penthouse apartment one time, and they had three shower heads.
And I swear to God, it was the most opulent, beautiful experience of my life, and I enjoyed it for all of five minutes before I was like, you know, a lot of places don't have fresh water, and done!
I'm like, fuck!
Goddamn!
Damn it!
I can't enjoy anything!
dan friesen
Now you can't enjoy the triple header.
jordan holmes
No!
It was amazing!
And I would encourage everyone to burn those down and give your fresh water to people who fucking need it.
unidentified
Amen.
jordan holmes
But also, if you ever experience it...
dan friesen
Pretty great.
jordan holmes
Oh, it's amazing.
dan friesen
Yeah.
I feel the same way about a tub I lucked my way into in my younger years that had jets in it.
unidentified
Oh, right?
dan friesen
Crazy.
jordan holmes
Are you kidding me?
dan friesen
Yeah.
So anyway, now we're going to discuss...
jordan holmes
It's good to be white and rich!
dan friesen
We're going to discuss some people who are not.
And also, Alex lying about them.
jordan holmes
Great.
alex jones
Here it is.
keith olbermann
Your surest guarantee of any future at all.
Now, we need your help.
alex jones
Oh, hit pause again.
He talks to us like we're two years old and real slow.
He looks down because he's reading the teleprompter.
dan friesen
Let me act like I'm not looking at a teleprompter.
alex jones
Now we need...
I wrote this myself.
Of course he didn't.
Let me act like I wrote it.
Let me go back to my heartfeltness because I'm reading off teleprompter.
Can we show the camera here?
There's a teleprompter here.
Now see, Mr. Fake Intellectual.
Let's back him up 10 seconds because this is a key part right here.
He says the world's in danger because of us.
It was the Clintons gave nuclear reactors to North Korea.
It was the liberal elites that gave economists Chinese nuclear weapons back in the 60s.
jordan holmes
That doesn't make any sense either.
alex jones
And it's been our elites that have been destabilizing the world forever, and now Trump wants to end all that with common sense and pragmatism, and you don't like it, so you claim the world's in danger because of him.
Let's continue.
dan friesen
So the third part, that we're destabilizing the world, totally true.
Now I'm going to walk you through...
jordan holmes
I'm on board with that part.
dan friesen
I'm going to walk you through the facts about nuclear histories.
jordan holmes
Here's the thing that gets to me, is...
Continuing to call him a fake intellectual, which is like that.
It's similar to the racist dog whistle, but it's that he's not saying anything particularly intellectual.
dan friesen
Nope.
jordan holmes
And he's speaking very clearly and directly.
dan friesen
I want you to hold off on this criticism, because I think he'll get to why he's saying this.
It's all appearance-based.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
He's going to insult his appearance real hard in a little bit.
jordan holmes
But my point being, that's the quickest way to get that alt-right on your side.
dan friesen
Or the anti-intellectual crowd.
jordan holmes
Yeah, this guy thinks he's an expert.
Experts don't mean anything.
I don't need an expert.
What did you go to college?
Gay!
dan friesen
You have a degree?
I'm a proud boy.
jordan holmes
What?
I got a degree in being proud of being a boy.
dan friesen
Talking about Chinese nuclear history.
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
So, in the 1950s, we had the Korean War.
I remember it.
The Korean conflict, as some have called it.
jordan holmes
We killed 20% of North Korea's population.
dan friesen
And here's a really fucked up thing I learned during my research into this.
In 1950, General MacArthur wanted to shoot 34 nuclear bombs at China to, quote, create a belt of radioactive cobalt across the neck of Manchuria so there could be no land invasion of Korea from the North for at least 60 years.
That's crazy.
jordan holmes
I'm starting to think America's not always the good guy.
dan friesen
I didn't know that.
That's nuts.
unidentified
He wanted to create a radioactive blockade.
jordan holmes
I'm guessing that's not a widely publicized fact.
unidentified
No!
jordan holmes
I bet on American history classes in fucking high school they don't go, oh, by the way, our generals have occasionally...
Wanted to murder millions of people and make sure that there's a radioactive belt around Manchuria.
dan friesen
Even in, like, I was a history minor in college, and my emphasis was American history.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
That was not even something I was talking about.
jordan holmes
No, I am obsessed with American history.
Like, I recommend reading Barbara Tuchman.
All day, every day.
At no point in time did I ever hear about this shit.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So in 1955, the Soviet Union announced that it would assist China in research into peaceful uses of atomic energy.
In 1956, the Tsenghua University in Taiwan built its first research nuclear reactor.
In 1969, the Institute of Nuclear Energy Research buys a reactor from Canada.
Those are how China got their nuclear reactors.
jordan holmes
Could you tell me what the name...
Was it X-I-A-N-G space H-U-A?
dan friesen
No.
T-S-E-N-G H-U-A.
jordan holmes
Oh.
Shang-Hu.
dan friesen
Alright.
Come on, man.
jordan holmes
I'm sorry!
I just like Chinese.
dan friesen
Alright, fine.
I admit, I did not pronounce it correctly, but that university in Taiwan was on the foreground and forefront of Chinese nuclear research, and still is to this day.
jordan holmes
Right, of course.
dan friesen
They, within the next year, it's theorized, will create a meltdown-proof nuclear reactor.
jordan holmes
That's fucking amazing.
dan friesen
Yeah, they're doing some amazing research there and have been for the last 60 years.
jordan holmes
Which is super important because that is a...
That's a really valuable...
Just like other alternative fuels like solar power and the like, if you actually get nuclear reactors to work that way...
dan friesen
And you can take away the risk.
jordan holmes
Yeah, absolutely.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Because when you talk about...
I mean, when you talk about pure pound-for-pound energy, there isn't really much that can compare with the possibility of fusion.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
And fission is...
That's...
A borderline infinite resource.
That's the fucking sun!
dan friesen
That's when we get the next phase of our cultural evolution.
jordan holmes
That's when we go from being a Type 1 civilization to a Type 2. That's when it's entirely possible.
dan friesen
So, we had nothing really fundamental to do with Chinese nuclear expansion.
The beginnings of it were Soviet-helped.
jordan holmes
Of course.
dan friesen
And then beyond that, it was just really...
work being done by the Chinese themselves.
And then a little bit later, like I said, in 1969, the Canadians sold them a bunch of uranium and a reactor.
jordan holmes
Right.
unidentified
Which, even back then, they didn't really understand.
jordan holmes
In 1969, you could buy radioactive toothpaste in the United States.
Like, they didn't understand quite what...
dan friesen
That's how the future will look at our fluoride toothpaste.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
Like, they didn't quite understand what radiation did to people.
dan friesen
There were subtleties that were missed.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
And then as far as nuclear technology, period, like, the moment it was discovered...
It's inevitable that that possibility would be reached by other countries.
dan friesen
Well, it's essentially the myth of Pandora's box.
jordan holmes
Yeah, exactly.
dan friesen
The genie's out the bottle, and we're all gonna fuck with it.
jordan holmes
Oppenheimer was absolutely right when he quoted, what, Shiva?
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
I am death, destroyer of worlds?
dan friesen
Yeah, I become death.
Yeah.
So, if we look at North Korea's history, shockingly similar.
In 1956, the Soviet Union begins training North Korean scientists and engineers, enabling the DPRK to acquire basic knowledge to initiate a nuclear program.
1959, North Korea and the USSR sign a nuclear cooperation agreement.
Over the next 30 years, Moscow provides the North with basic nuclear training and technology.
They have their roots with the Soviets as well.
It wasn't the Clintons who weren't doing shit in 1959.
jordan holmes
Which, and of course this makes perfect sense considering the fact that immediately after World War II you have guys like, you know, MacArthur and fucking goddamn so many of them who are just saying, alright, now we defeated the Nazis, let's go after Russia.
Like that was their immediate thought.
Churchill was like, hey, now we go into Russia.
Because it's super smart to fight a land war in Russia.
dan friesen
It's the best.
jordan holmes
Always works out.
Just like a land war in Afghanistan.
It's never gone wrong.
dan friesen
A little more about North Korea.
Before the Clintons were ever in power in any meaningful way.
In the mid-1980s, North Korea reached a, quote, dangerous level of nuclear capacity with advancements due to increased Soviet support for their nuclear program.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
In 1984, North Korea completed construction of a 5-megawatt...
I don't think that's correct.
MWE.
Gigawatt, actually.
MWE.
A 5-MWE gas-cooled graphite-moderated nuclear reactor for plutonium production.
If operating at full power for a majority of the year, the reactor could produce 7.5 kilograms of weapons-grade plutonium annually.
There is still great disagreement as to just how much plutonium was produced.
That was in 1984.
That was 33 years ago.
So, Alex's whole narrative about the Clintons gave them their reactors.
Everything was already there way in advance.
China and North Korea both had Soviet help, obviously.
It was an offshoot of the Korean War.
What the fuck?
This is such stupid shit.
This narrative doesn't hold any water, and what is the end of it?
What's the end goal?
jordan holmes
Here is the thing about that, though.
That's fertile ground, because I didn't know anything about that.
Like, I didn't know where the Chinese or North Korean nuclear programs came from.
dan friesen
Yet you knew damn well it wasn't the Clintons and liberals in the 60s.
jordan holmes
No, of course not.
But if I don't have any reference point for that, then I am still susceptible to whatever it is.
Like, in this case...
I believe you because you are always super diligent in your research.
dan friesen
I'm referencing papers from, like, nuclear organizations.
unidentified
Right.
jordan holmes
But that's my point.
Like, I don't have any personal research into this whatsoever.
So if I didn't have you who are, you know, who's doing the very necessary research...
It would be fertile ground for me if I already had a fear of China, if I already have a fear of North Korea, also North Carolina.
dan friesen
These days.
jordan holmes
If I already have a fear of these places, then that seems much more plausible because I have zero frame of reference.
dan friesen
But you're not dumb.
You would look into it.
And if you did, you would find these same things.
jordan holmes
But my point being, because I have no frame of reference for this, I'm much more on the...
Empathic side towards these people.
Because if you're already predisposed to believing anything about North Korea or anything about China...
dan friesen
This is sympathy for the devil, but it's not the devil.
It's just sympathy for...
jordan holmes
It's sympathy for ignorance.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Like, in this regard...
dan friesen
Sympathy for the easily fooled.
unidentified
Right.
jordan holmes
Well, and not just that.
I can't know everything.
And so if I get an assertive authoritarian voice telling me this...
It's much more likely for me to believe it if I have zero frame of reference for this.
dan friesen
And especially if you've bought Hook, Line, and Sinker into a bunch of other bullshit you said.
jordan holmes
Like, unfortunately, a lot of my knowledge of the Korean War comes from fucking MASH.
Like, I don't know enough about it.
dan friesen
It was an accurate picture, from what I can tell.
Are you talking about the movie or the show?
jordan holmes
I'm talking about the show.
dan friesen
Okay, never mind.
So this next clip, he gives some more bullshit, and I've got more facts on the other end.
alex jones
Let's continue.
keith olbermann
...that is at least sane is your surest guarantee of a prosperous future indeed.
Hey, pause.
alex jones
Yeah, let's look at Pence, speaking to a large Christian group, admitting that there's a genocide of Christians, 200,000 a year.
It's more than double the last decade by Muslims against Christians.
And so now the president and the vice president are talking about how Christians are being persecuted all over the world.
While Muslims promote killing all the Jews in Copenhagen, Denmark, and don't get in trouble.
That's today.
And Twitter says telling the truth about refugee crisis is hateful conduct.
Don't point out that 80-plus percent are military-age men, or you'll be arrested in Europe because that's hate speech.
That's not scary.
Oh, I'm sorry.
Let's go back to Keith Overman.
Here it goes.
dan friesen
So that's complete bullshit.
The 80-percent military-age men of refugees number is...
jordan holmes
No, that doesn't make...
Any goddamn sense.
That's not even physically possible.
dan friesen
No, based on the statistics that have been able to be gathered, 50.7% of refugees are women, so your number is already fucked.
jordan holmes
How many are children?
dan friesen
Well, here's the thing, and I'm going to quote.
It is true that the refugee demographics do skew on the side of youth.
Syria, in particular, is a country with a large population of young people, especially in comparison to Europe.
The majority of Syrians are between 25 and 54 years old, and only 4.02% of Syria's population is older than 65, compared to the European Union, 18.5.
If refugee and migrant populations follow their originating country's demographics, then we should expect to see that at least half of Syrian and other refugees will be male and most of them will be young.
To put the issue of age into perspective, as of 2015, Syria's median age was 23.8, Iraq's was 19.7, and Afghanistan's was 18.4.
By comparison, the median age in the United States was 37.7.
In the United Kingdom, it was 40.4, and Germany was 46.5.
Children from Syria and elsewhere make up at least a third of the refugee population.
Children who, whether accompanied or alone, are looking for a chance to grow up in a country that is not shredded by violence.
Now, if you want to really break it down, the reason that the population...
It's so obvious why the population is so young.
Health care is provided as best it can be in third world countries, and also men and older people are killed.
Killed.
jordan holmes
Constantly.
dan friesen
The reason that the population is so young is because everyone dies really young.
To not recognize that as a piece of the equation is so simplistic.
jordan holmes
It's racist.
unidentified
It's offensive.
dan friesen
They're not racist.
It's bigoted.
It's not because it's not necessarily race specific.
It's so fucking stupid.
jordan holmes
It's ignorance.
That's like saying the population in medieval Europe was heavily skewed towards young people.
And you're like, well...
dan friesen
Because most of them died at 26. Well, now the reality there, though, is a lot of those people were marauding.
But also, Alex is operating basically off memes.
Because there have been memes that have come out that show...
I'm going to show them both to you.
There is a picture of...
Muslim refugee men showing up.
You can find this picture.
It's very widely disseminated.
jordan holmes
And it's got the Getty images tagged to it.
dan friesen
It's like a ton of dudes getting off a bus.
And it's really scary.
And people use that as an example of like, look, it's all young men coming.
But what they didn't show is that another bus showed up the next day with all of the women and children.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
They traveled in separate buses because of cultural reasons.
jordan holmes
For very good reasons.
dan friesen
Yeah, it's just...
What the fuck?
What is wrong?
jordan holmes
Because it's the other.
It's the other.
So long as it's the other, you will believe.
dan friesen
It's rank bigotry.
jordan holmes
You will believe anything so long as it's your enemy.
dan friesen
The 80% military men statistic is fucking horse shit.
The spirit behind it that it's all young men coming because it's an invading force is completely wrong because women and children are coming.
They are coming along just on separate buses.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Which, I mean, we can have a conversation about how everyone should have the same bus.
We can have that conversation.
That's a different conversation.
jordan holmes
That's a different conversation.
dan friesen
It's completely unnecessary.
Now, there's also a bunch of reports of people showing up alone, dudes showing up alone, who had taken boats across the Aegean Sea to find refugee status.
jordan holmes
Not a ton of reports of the dudes who die alone after taking those butts.
unidentified
Totally.
jordan holmes
Those boats.
dan friesen
And everyone who gets on a boat knows that that's a possibility.
jordan holmes
A good...
dan friesen
So when they get on those boats, oftentimes what they do is they go it alone, and when they get to where they're going, claim their refugee status, establish themselves, and send for their families.
jordan holmes
Oh!
I know another place where that happens!
What's it called?
America.
I remember when the Irish did that.
Do you remember that?
dan friesen
I have vague memories.
jordan holmes
Do you remember when the Italians did that?
Do you remember that?
Do you remember that?
I do.
Oh, man.
What do all of those people have in common?
dan friesen
They were fleeing something?
jordan holmes
They were fleeing something.
I remember also how back then when the Jews were fleeing some guy.
Some dude?
Was there a history?
dan friesen
Drawing a blank.
jordan holmes
I remember a guy, right?
So they were fleeing from this horrific catastrophe that was being visited upon them due to no fault of their own, right?
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
And then there were people in America who were like, we can't let these people in.
We can't do it.
It's bad.
They're bringing the same brand of fascism from their world to ours.
I remember how, like, oh, that's right.
dan friesen
Oh, it's interesting.
That's recent enough in our memory that we have reports of people who we denied asylum to literally being murdered because they couldn't get over here.
jordan holmes
Oh, yeah.
I mean, I bet we don't have any newspapers or any written word from that time, right?
unidentified
No.
jordan holmes
Like, that was so far...
That was so long ago.
It was like...
I mean, we didn't even have newspapers back then.
Oh, wait.
America is a racist fucking country that's always been monstrous.
dan friesen
It drives me up a fucking wall.
That Alex Jones is making these arguments based on lies.
Based on facts that he's twisting.
And this same episode where he's mad that Muslim women are at Starbucks.
How does he fucking not realize what lives within him?
How does he not take a look in the mirror and realize maybe it's me.
Maybe I have the problem.
It's not to say that Muslims as I'm making the argument that you don't see nuance.
You see them all as one.
You see them all as bad.
And you refuse to wrestle with it.
jordan holmes
And that is the definition of bigotry.
dan friesen
Absolutely.
jordan holmes
That is the definition.
Hey, we need a bathroom bill because all trans people are bad.
dan friesen
Yeah, they're all molesters.
jordan holmes
We need fucking...
We can't let gay people get married because all gay people are trying to destroy marriage as an institution.
unidentified
The sanctity.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Fuck you!
dan friesen
Alright, well that was my big soapbox moment.
jordan holmes
I loved it.
dan friesen
Yours is probably coming in this next clip.
jordan holmes
Dude, that's a new, that's a segment on the show, right?
dan friesen
Soapbox moment?
jordan holmes
Jordan gets on the soapbox and yells about something for an hour.
dan friesen
I think it's gonna come because this next clip, I think, is about climate change.
I'm not sure, but I think.
jordan holmes
Alright.
dan friesen
I'm not sure.
jordan holmes
Alright.
alex jones
Keith Overman, here he goes.
keith olbermann
Your surest guarantee.
Of any future at all.
alex jones
Pause again, I'm sorry.
So there's no future at all, unless you believe Al Gore and Bill Nye, the science guy.
Bill Nye saves the Earth.
Al Gore saves the Earth.
Polar bears can't swim.
The ice caps have all melted.
The sea level's up 100 feet.
We're all dead.
Sea level's down.
It's all lies, lies, lies.
By another fake, sitting up there in a little costume, trying to look intellectual.
Reading out the teleprompter.
Let's go back.
dan friesen
Five.
Five teleprompters.
So, how do you feel about this?
jordan holmes
Look, I'm running out.
I'm running out of gas.
I'm running out of gas on the climate denier thing.
Look, so my operating theory on climate change is very simple.
for 40 years, climate scientists have deliberately downplayed the danger of it.
And they've done this because they don't want to look like, you know.
dan friesen
Alarmists.
unidentified
Yeah, exactly.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
unidentified
Hey, guys, we need to do something about this.
jordan holmes
It's really important that we do something about this.
It's not like I'm saying the sky is falling.
dan friesen
They're like the polite people who want you to leave their house.
Yeah.
unidentified
At like two in the morning.
dan friesen
Yeah.
unidentified
They don't want to be like, get the fuck out of my house.
dan friesen
Right.
unidentified
They're like, Right.
jordan holmes
All of this stuff.
Or, you know...
This is an old story about, I think it was probably Malcolm Gladwell maybe, where they were talking about the power dynamic in airplanes.
So if you listen to the black boxes of a bunch of Korean airplanes, which at the time were the most dangerous airline in the world, because they had the highest number of plane crashes.
And you're like, why does this one place have this such high number of plane crashes?
And they go through all these black boxes and they see that pilots get tired.
And their co-pilots, because of the culture of deference, would be very genteel and they're like, hey, I think there might be something coming up ahead.
And the pilot would be like, eh, I don't think so.
And then, boom, they explode.
dan friesen
So death comes from not listening to other voices.
jordan holmes
And even then, when those voices are deliberately trying to be as deferential as possible, nobody's going to get the true scope of the emergency that's going on.
All of the stuff.
And this is something that I think is true, and I'm probably right about it.
All of the stuff they predicted for 60 years in the future.
We'll be ten years in the future.
dan friesen
I've heard you make this claim before, and I'm worried you're right.
jordan holmes
I am absolutely right.
dan friesen
What do you say about Alex Jones' claim that whenever you see time-elapsed things about polar ice caps melting, that's just because it's summer.
jordan holmes
It's summer.
dan friesen
They don't show it growing back up in the winter.
jordan holmes
Nope.
I buy it.
Sold.
Done.
Seasons.
Seasons.
That's it.
Climate is just summer.
Spring.
Winter.
Fall.
Fireballs.
I remember that.
Do you remember the fifth season?
dan friesen
Sure.
Fireballs.
jordan holmes
Fireballs.
Yeah, absolutely.
Fucking...
dan friesen
So let's get back to greener pastures.
jordan holmes
What are you going to do?
dan friesen
Who cares?
jordan holmes
It's too late.
dan friesen
We're fucked.
jordan holmes
There's so many millions of people who are going to die.
And the thing that kills me is that there is no other way to describe it than if you are a climate change denier, you personally...
Are contributing to the death of millions of people.
Millions of people.
Do you think, like, look, a refugee crisis is bad now, right?
Just fucking imagine whenever sea borders...
When sea lions attack?
Sea lions attack.
Which is my new favorite show on Fox.
It's on Rhyme Time.
When sea lions attack.
No, no.
Border.
Just Florida!
Just Florida.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
A lot of territory in Florida is going to disappear.
dan friesen
They don't even fucking talk about, like, Georgia and Louisiana.
jordan holmes
Absolutely!
I'm unhappy that people from Florida are going to become refugees and they're going to come to Chicago.
dan friesen
Yeah.
And that's only talking about displacement.
It has nothing to do with even, like...
Encroaching new deserts and places that would become unlivable.
jordan holmes
Like, if the refugee crisis now is about people moving from one place to another and you think there's terrorism now, imagine.
Imagine when fresh water becomes the next fight.
How many millions of people are going to be fighting over fresh, just drinking water?
dan friesen
Potable water.
jordan holmes
This is pure survival.
dan friesen
Yeah.
It's going to get ugly.
jordan holmes
It's going to be brutal.
dan friesen
And Alex Jones thinks that's all bullshit.
jordan holmes
I genuinely...
It's gone from me being like...
dan friesen
He thinks it's all about a carbon tax.
jordan holmes
I know!
I know!
They all do!
Genuinely, I'm at the point now where it's like, dude, I just...
We're all going to die.
It's over.
Or at least billions of people are going to die.
I just...
I used to be like, hey, guys...
If you're denying climate change, you're killing your grandchildren.
Now I'm at the point where I'm like, oh god, I hope it happens now so I can look at my dad's fucking eyes and be like, I told you so!
As we both explode in a fucking fireball.
dan friesen
I could have had kids, but now...
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
No, fuck you.
You're killing your grandchildren.
You're killing your children.
dan friesen
Let's get back to the modern day.
Not speculating about the future.
This is Alex Jones doing a real fun dance.
jordan holmes
I'm glad I didn't get on that soapbox you expected me to.
dan friesen
This is a fun dance about Trump and Russia.
alex jones
Let's go back.
keith olbermann
Now we need your help.
Whatever there is on Trump, reveal it.
Issue it officially if you can.
Leak it if you cannot.
alex jones
Whatever it is, because it's all made up.
Whatever it is.
Maybe he's Santa Claus.
Maybe he's really George Washington.
Maybe he's a space alien.
Maybe he's one of Keith Olbermann's hemorrhoids.
I mean, just whatever it is you've got.
jordan holmes
Yeah!
alex jones
We all made stuff up and said there was something, so it must be true.
We all read the secret.
We believe we can manifest.
Of course you can't.
It's all made up, but let's just manifest that Trump's gone.
How about we manifest that Keith Boberman doesn't just read off teleprompters?
dan friesen
Six.
alex jones
Back to him.
jordan holmes
I did put Trump's impeachment on my vision board.
dan friesen
Oh, yeah?
jordan holmes
That's true.
Oh, absolutely.
dan friesen
Also, hey, Alex, go fuck yourself for getting shitty at the secret.
You believe in 12-dimensional demons.
Don't fucking play that game.
jordan holmes
Like, you understand?
Like, that's bullshit.
I love his strategy of, I'm going to let him get so far into it, and then I'm going to cut it off.
Because there is a complete argument that there is to be made by Keith Olbermann.
And it will be made.
If you let him...
dan friesen
Well, if you listen to the whole clip.
jordan holmes
Right, exactly.
If you let him finish, there is...
Well, like the Fox News clip.
I don't know if you saw this, but they went to a small-town diner or whatever, and they start talking to this old dude, this reliably old white dude.
And even the old white dude is like, well, I think the timing of this whole thing is very suspect.
And they're like, boom!
I'm out of here!
Interview over!
dan friesen
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
Like, that's what he's doing.
If you allow them to actually ruminate on all of this circumstantial evidence...
Even people who were predisposed to agree with you, it starts to look bad.
dan friesen
But the comedy of it is that Alex Jones is this guy who claims that Colbert and Fox News keep taking him out of context, and that he's not allowing on his own show any context to develop for this thing that he's ostensibly doing media criticism over.
He's doing this like...
We're going to break this down.
And like I said, it's 35 straight minutes of the show.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
So, like, he doesn't let more...
jordan holmes
Olbermann says 10 words during that entire 35 minutes.
dan friesen
There are a couple times he lets, like, 40 seconds tops go.
But most of the time, it's two.
It's two seconds play.
Like, ah, I got to lie.
jordan holmes
Let me interrupt here.
dan friesen
I got to lie about North Korea and China.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Like, it's...
Why?
What's the point?
jordan holmes
What do you mean, what's the point?
The point is obvious.
dan friesen
No, but it's too obvious.
jordan holmes
Well, I mean, the point is really simple.
It's to inoculate people.
All of this stuff sounds reasonable if you listen to it all the way through.
If you listen to it all the way through, what Olbermann says sounds reasonable.
unidentified
But...
jordan holmes
If you take word-by-word interruptions, you're inoculating your listeners from this.
dan friesen
I just had a revelation, I think.
So basically...
jordan holmes
Is it about the seven seals?
dan friesen
No.
Alex Jones...
jordan holmes
Is it about the seven sea lions?
dan friesen
Yes.
They're attacking.
They're hitting Florida right now.
No!
jordan holmes
They said that wouldn't happen for 60 years!
dan friesen
You said soon.
So I think, okay, so Alex is imagining a world where a bunch of people have watched the Olbermann clip.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
And they've watched it all the way through.
And so he's making sure that his listeners can argue with them.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
With point by point, ah, here's an objection you can make.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
dan friesen
Hoping.
That everyone who's seen the Oberman clip will just blindly accept whatever he's saying.
And in that case, his listeners would win that argument.
Because they're just obnoxious in bringing up stuff that the Oberman listeners were like, I don't know what you're talking about.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
dan friesen
Like you didn't, before we had this conversation, didn't know the specific history of North Korea's nuclear program.
jordan holmes
Nope.
What am I going to argue there?
dan friesen
Yeah, so if you were in a conversation with one of Alex Jones' listeners, you'd be like...
I don't know about that.
It doesn't sound good, but I don't know about that.
And they'd be like, well, you don't know about that.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
dan friesen
And they'd get aggressive with you.
jordan holmes
Yeah, and an argument doesn't go well if you go, wait, what did you say?
I need to stop.
dan friesen
I don't know about this.
jordan holmes
I need to pull up my phone.
I need to Google this shit.
I'm not an expert on that.
Unfortunately, rhetoric a lot of the time defeats reality.
dan friesen
Especially when it's super aggressive rhetoric.
Speaking of which...
This next clip, Alex just fucking completely takes two words that Olbermann says out of context and pretends they're biblical.
It's wild.
It's wild.
jordan holmes
Two words?
dan friesen
Just listen to this closely.
Don't talk over this.
It's pretty quick.
jordan holmes
Mic down.
Mic down.
alex jones
Back to him.
keith olbermann
If your directors and your governments want you to wait, look to the last days here and ask yourselves.
Plumb your consciences.
If there is any time left.
alex jones
He didn't want to say we're in the last days, so he said he's an atheist.
dan friesen
But he didn't say that.
He said, look to the last days here.
He's talking about the last few days.
jordan holmes
I'm pointing to my nose.
dan friesen
You called it.
jordan holmes
I'm pointing to my nose.
dan friesen
Of course, it was obvious.
jordan holmes
So obvious.
dan friesen
But he heard those words put next to each other.
jordan holmes
Hear the words of the Lord.
dan friesen
He's like, oh, this has got to be biblical.
He's got to be talking about apocalypse shit.
No, I'm the apocalypse guy.
jordan holmes
You're stepping into my territory, Olbermann!
dan friesen
I'm going to flex on you.
That's so fucked up.
jordan holmes
But this is what I'm saying about this whole clip, is that this is very much Alex being like, you're on my world now.
You're on my turf.
This is where I shine.
So don't fuck with me, Olbermann.
dan friesen
Yeah, you're going into conspiracy territory and you don't even know what...
jordan holmes
And Olbermann is doing that.
Like, he might be right, and I definitely don't rule it out right now, but Olbermann is definitely stepping into Russia conspiracy theory territory.
dan friesen
Right, and that's something, I mean, we're already three and a half hours in, so let's not get into it and unpack it, but just on a very superficial thing, we do have to be super careful ourselves.
And I think everyone else should as well, about getting caught up in momentum with conspiracy theory on the left.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Because we've seen what it's done to the right.
It is this.
But, like, when we talk about...
jordan holmes
Louise Mensch.
dan friesen
Okay, look.
jordan holmes
No, we're not gonna do that.
We're not gonna relitigate that.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
I gotcha, I gotcha, I gotcha, I gotcha.
dan friesen
I'm not here to defend her.
She's wrong a lot of the time.
But she is part of that sort of hemisphere.
into rampant speculation.
unidentified
Right.
And it's maybe more right than the conservative side.
dan friesen
Absolutely.
unidentified
But at the same time, Right.
Right.
jordan holmes
Well, it's the fortune teller thing.
You remember when the fortune teller got it right.
dan friesen
Because it's crazy.
jordan holmes
You don't remember all the times the fortune teller got it wrong.
dan friesen
Right.
And when we talk about Russian stuff, I think we're not saying we have any real secret knowledge or anything.
We're saying it looks bad.
Based on the things that are concretely reported, there is not nothing there.
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
But we're not jumping in the bed of...
jordan holmes
I think our main summation so far of the Russian stuff is Putin is the architect of something.
dan friesen
Yes.
jordan holmes
We know these people have contact with a guy who is a...
Front.
dan friesen
And lied about the contact.
jordan holmes
And lied about that.
So we know that there's all kinds of shady shit going on.
There's a lot of circumstantial evidence.
And we don't have a smoking gun.
alex jones
Yeah.
jordan holmes
But at least my operating theory is there is a smoking gun.
dan friesen
Absolutely.
jordan holmes
And we're just trying to navigate a way through this that doesn't kill millions of people.
dan friesen
Right.
That's where we come from.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
So it's important, though.
Don't become...
And don't allow a left-wing Alex Jones to exist.
Because if that person does exist, you're just going to get...
It's just going to be an infinite cycle that repeats itself.
jordan holmes
If it's an eye for an eye, everybody's blind.
dan friesen
Absolutely.
And Keith Olbermann's not there yet, but he's putting his toe into the water.
jordan holmes
Well, there are so many people who are angling for...
And, again...
dan friesen
Louise Mench can't do it because she's not a demagogue.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right.
dan friesen
She has a sizable Twitter following.
jordan holmes
No, no, no, I'm not saying that.
I'm not saying that.
dan friesen
Keith Olbermann's the only person who is legitimately in that conversation.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
Because he is on the internet as a video personality, as a newscaster.
jordan holmes
Well, let me put it in the way that I've already established, right?
I want Trump executed judicially.
I want him to be tried for treason, and then because he committed it, I want him to be punished for treason in the way that it's such.
dan friesen
And if the facts bear out that he didn't...
jordan holmes
Then I don't want him to be punished for it.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
That's how the law works, right?
dan friesen
But we'd still like him to be punished for other things.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right.
But if my stated goal is I want him to be punished for treason the way that you should be...
I.e.
hung from the neck till dead, right?
dan friesen
While kids watch, as you said earlier.
jordan holmes
Yeah, and I'll support that forever.
dan friesen
Fair enough.
jordan holmes
But I don't want him to be hung extra judicially.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
So in the same way, I want Trump gone.
I don't want him gone because of a whole series of conspiracy theories that aren't true.
Because that is the same coup narrative that Alex Jones is advocating for.
There's a right way...
dan friesen
What it comes down to is facts above agenda and narrative.
jordan holmes
Yeah, exactly.
dan friesen
Beyond that, also...
jordan holmes
What Trump's already done is enough to get him removed from office.
dan friesen
Totally.
jordan holmes
Absolutely.
dan friesen
Even just the China trademark thing is enough.
jordan holmes
Of course.
dan friesen
More than enough.
You can't be president and do that.
jordan holmes
You just can't.
There's a constitution, or at least there was.
dan friesen
Yeah, it's insane.
jordan holmes
So the punishment should absolutely be commensurate with the crime.
And I don't want to get into that same kangaroo court situation where now Trump is the enemy and so we just...
dan friesen
We agree.
We agree, and I think most people listening agree.
I think we got some good policy wonks out there with good heads on their shoulders.
Absolutely.
And we advise rationality.
That's basically all we do.
jordan holmes
That's basically all we do.
dan friesen
Because here's the thing.
If you have people like Louise Mensch on this side, and you have people like Alex Jones on this side, and then also back to the other side, you have Keith Olbermann.
The thing that sort of unites them is this idea of they have a savior complex.
jordan holmes
Absolutely.
dan friesen
There is the I'm going to save everybody.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
And that is a dangerous thing.
Like I've said a bunch of times, I don't want to necessarily save anybody.
I would love for people who are beholden to Alex Jones' false narratives to recognize that he's lying to them.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
But I don't care if I do it or they just sort of have a breakthrough one day.
This show is mostly just about clowning on an idiot.
But at the same time...
We gotta address this savior complex thing, and...
jordan holmes
I agree.
dan friesen
Who better than Alex Jones to talk about it for a little bit?
jordan holmes
Otherwise, it is a pendulum.
dan friesen
My transition game blew it again.
jordan holmes
Edit this out.
dan friesen
Alex Jones has some thoughts on the savior complex.
keith olbermann
We need it now.
And to the intelligence community of this country, your patriotic duty is clear.
In many respects, in the months since the election, you have provided your greatest service in our history.
A democracy that has lost its political way staggers down the street like a drunk and lurches towards the gutter, yet you have walked a virtually bipartisan straight line.
And you have followed your rules, and you have followed the rules of the civilians.
dan friesen
Very blowhardy.
jordan holmes
This makes me agree with Alex Jones that Keith Olbermann is a bitch.
keith olbermann
The evildoers?
jordan holmes
Now I'm interrupting at the same time he is.
God, I'm no better than him.
keith olbermann
The Trump junta is playing by no rules.
alex jones
Just pause again.
The Trump junta, and the whole world's in danger, and only this guy, only this guy can save everybody.
This is just...
Over-the-top craziness.
And then Trump responds nicely back to all this, that they're fake news, that they're out to get him, and they're the enemy.
And they freak out and go, we just want you dead or overthrown or foreign governments to overthrow you.
We're just saying you're the devil.
We're just saying you're a dictator.
How dare you not come to our press dinner?
How dare you not let us lie about you?
What's your problem?
We're supposed to be in charge, and no one's supposed to resist us.
dan friesen
So, I mean, come on, that's cockamamie bullshit.
jordan holmes
That's cockamamie bullshit.
dan friesen
But, like, sure.
Sure.
Olbermann's being a blowhard.
jordan holmes
Olbermann is being such a blowhard.
dan friesen
But at the same time, this isn't an Olbermann podcast, this is an Alex Jones podcast, and we know him.
Him being like, oh, you think you're the only person who can save, like, I'm the only person who can save the world from globalization.
jordan holmes
Exactly, right?
dan friesen
That's what's energizing him.
That's why he has his rankles up.
Is that the expression?
jordan holmes
Hackles.
dan friesen
Hackles.
jordan holmes
Hackles up.
dan friesen
Yeah, or something in his rankles.
jordan holmes
He's rankled.
dan friesen
Alright, he's rankled.
But that's why.
That's why.
It is this, like, again, you're on my turf.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
You're on my fucking turf, and I don't agree with the way you're presenting the world.
jordan holmes
I think it really is that.
I think you're absolutely right.
It's petty.
What we're seeing is Alex getting to parallel a liberal Alex Jones.
dan friesen
A little bit.
He's not nearly as evolved as Alex.
jordan holmes
No, no, no.
Absolutely not.
But the point being, Alex gets to come at him from this, like, your left-wing propaganda.
dan friesen
You know what it is?
You know what it is?
It's like Alex being us watching his show.
jordan holmes
It is so much like that!
dan friesen
Fuck you!
Fuck you, Dan!
Except Alex's lies.
Still permeate it.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
Like, he's still lying about everything, but he's watching this and like, fuck this shit!
Look at this asshole!
So we kind of get a glimpse of what our podcast would be if he was on it.
jordan holmes
If we didn't bother about information or news or sources or anything along those lines.
dan friesen
Totally.
And this next clip is a fucking awesome rant.
Again, totally petty.
And it gets into that idea of what he's attacking, really, when he talks about, like, pseudo-intellectual shit.
It's all appearance-based, and man, this is fucked up.
keith olbermann
Off the FBI director and let him find out about it by reading a TV news crawl in the back of the room in which he was addressing his Los Angeles office.
They have no rules.
For now, the rest of us who only want our democracy back, we can have no rules either.
We will take the risk of reestablishing the rules later on.
What you, in the FBI, in the CIA, in the Justice Department, have on Trump, we also need now.
Because by tomorrow, it may disappear.
And your ability to do anything with it may disappear as well.
Some of us here on the outside have tried the best we could to prevent this day.
dan friesen
Others less so.
unidentified
I mean, it's so hard to listen to this guy.
alex jones
I apologize for even playing it.
But this is a mindset into these people.
They've done everything they claim Trump's doing.
They have sat there and assaulted this country, tried to demonize it, tried to pull it down, tried to take our freedoms, shipped our jobs overseas, written books about how they've done it.
They have celebrated and celebrated and celebrated that they the globalists, they the leftists, they the communists, they the Soroses, they the Nazi collaborators, have control of our churches, our kids' minds, the FDA.
They can brainwash us.
They can fluoridate our water.
They can push deadly vaccines on us.
They can absolutely attack all our basic institutions.
Steal our money, perch on top of us, and then put always these same guys like Stephen Colbert and Oberman and all of them in these pseudo-intellectual little suits, little nerd man, non-threatening, you know, beam counter, brain bug, know-it-all, good boy, teacher's pet, psychopath outfits.
You know Ted Bundy, the famous psychopath, dressed in gray suits, with black ties, white shirts, with glasses, just like that, even though he didn't need them, because he'd drive around non-threatening, picking up young college girls and high school girls to torture him to death.
jordan holmes
That's a psychopath outfit.
alex jones
They wear to look non-threatening.
I'm not saying he's going to kidnap your kids and kill them.
He wants to kidnap your country and strangle it to death while he tells you you deserve it.
That's Keith Overman.
He thinks he's better than you.
He thinks he's beaten you.
And he realizes he's losing and has now been kicked to the curb and he's panicking.
dan friesen
That's so much projection at the end.
jordan holmes
That is the most projection.
He realizes he's losing and he's panicking.
God damn it.
Alex.
Alex.
Mirror.
Mirror.
dan friesen
Meanwhile.
jordan holmes
Alex.
dan friesen
Meanwhile.
jordan holmes
Alex.
Sit down with that bottle of Johnny Walker.
Look in the mirror and just.
Just listen to yourself.
dan friesen
There's a lot of people who used to wear gray suits and black ties.
Nope.
jordan holmes
Nope.
Ted Bundy.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Ted Bundy!
What were you saying?
dan friesen
I don't know.
jordan holmes
Ted Bundy!
unidentified
It's...
jordan holmes
We're at seven and a half hours.
dan friesen
It's so much nothing.
jordan holmes
We've edited out three hours of this, ladies and gentlemen, so far.
dan friesen
It's so much nothing, though.
We're coming to the end of this, but it's like...
It's tough to, when we've had a lot of stuff that is factual based that you can respond to, and you can be like, oh no, here are Trump's donors who are way worse than Goldman Sachs probably.
Here is the truth about nuclear programs.
It's really tough for it to be like...
This guy dresses to try and trick you.
I don't know.
I don't care.
I'm not easily duped by appearances.
jordan holmes
Don't you have a Fortune magazine article on how many people who dress like that are serial killers?
dan friesen
I don't.
jordan holmes
What about the percentage of the global population that dresses like that that is also a serial killer?
dan friesen
I don't know how I would find that stat.
jordan holmes
Well, then you're no good to me.
dan friesen
Here's a stat that I can tell you.
Alex Jones, 100%, again, was doing that like, he dresses like that.
I'm not saying he's trying to get your kids.
jordan holmes
Yeah, no, I picked up on that, too.
dan friesen
Yeah, he's just doing that again.
Like, I don't want to get sued again.
jordan holmes
Jesus fucking Christ.
I'm going to walk this back.
I'm going to give you the same insult that I would have six months ago, but I'm going to walk it back this time.
dan friesen
He wants to choke your country out.
That's good enough.
Safe harbor.
You're fine.
That's metaphorical enough.
So now this next clip is just Alex Jones fucking losing his temper really hard.
And now, flashing back to the beginning of the episode, him talking about how he's in control.
Listen to this clip, and if he's in control of himself, and he's saying this, all right.
All right, buddy.
alex jones
You know, they were pointing out in there that last time...
I played an Oberman clip.
I started having a meltdown as well, and I was actually throwing stuff during the breaks.
dan friesen
Alright, buddy.
I mean, that clip wasn't like him screaming, but that's a horrible thing to learn.
He was throwing things during the break because he had listened to an Oberman clip.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Alex Jones is my greatest enemy.
I disagree and can disprove most of his worldview.
jordan holmes
If not all.
dan friesen
He makes me really mad when I listen to him.
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
But all I do to deal with that anger is laugh.
jordan holmes
Is laugh.
dan friesen
I laugh, and then I think about how fun it's gonna be when I prove him wrong.
That is how I deal with it.
I don't necessarily, when I'm at work and I'm listening to him, I don't like...
Throw my computer across the room or something like that.
jordan holmes
Now, in his defense...
dan friesen
Oh, this is gonna be good.
jordan holmes
That's pretty much what I'm here for, right?
dan friesen
Throwing my computer across the room?
jordan holmes
I'm the physical manifestation of your anger towards Alex Jones.
I'm the guy who does all the screaming.
dan friesen
But you're laughing, too.
jordan holmes
I am laughing.
dan friesen
The screaming is mostly you just externalizing surprise.
It's not really rage, although there is rage embedded within it.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
No, I don't...
I don't go home anything but visibly shook by the reality that we live in.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
I don't want to break things.
dan friesen
No.
Alex Jones does.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Because he can't control his temper.
jordan holmes
He absolutely cannot.
dan friesen
He's a little baby.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
God.
dan friesen
He's a baby man.
jordan holmes
If he could.
dan friesen
Mr. Baby.
jordan holmes
If he weren't the butt boy of Trump, man, I bet he'd still have his kids.
dan friesen
Maybe.
But you know what?
I'm going to be perfectly honest with you.
I don't.
It's hard to say.
I think if he...
This is tough.
My bigger theory is his life is being ruined by his own supplements.
jordan holmes
Oh, fuck.
Are you saying that we're talking super male vitality is some testosterone kind of shit?
dan friesen
Yes.
jordan holmes
And so he has ramped himself up with way too much testosterone, like somebody who takes steroids all the time, and he's experiencing all of this anger and rage because of this added hormonal bullshit.
dan friesen
Inability to control his behaviors.
Yes, absolutely.
jordan holmes
Wow.
dan friesen
Our next episode is going to get into that a little bit.
jordan holmes
In that case, do not do that super size me thing where you take a lot of...
dan friesen
How fun would it be to have Aggressive Dan for a month?
jordan holmes
Look, I do not want to deal with Aggressive Dan.
Listen, I have never had to restrain you before.
And I worry that you're going to be throwing stuff every time we listen to a Keith Olbermann clip.
dan friesen
No, sincerely, that is a theory that I'm going to be working out over the course of a number of these time travel episodes.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
Is that I think that you can track a very different...
The philosophy in terms of the globalists and shit like that is absolutely the same.
jordan holmes
Consistent, yeah.
dan friesen
But the behavior, the frequency of outbursts, the inability to control himself is very much like he was as a child.
Like, we talk about...
We've documented a number of times in our biography of him all of these incredibly violent outbursts, these fights that he'd get into.
jordan holmes
Putting people in comas.
dan friesen
And you don't see a ton of that necessarily in his adult life.
Until...
He's getting way closer to that now.
In terms of, like, you don't see it on the show, but he just admitted the last time he talked about Olbermann, he was throwing shit during the breaks.
jordan holmes
Now, I would also...
dan friesen
Those sort of outbreaks are probably happening more than just when he listens to fucking Colbert or Olbermann clips.
jordan holmes
Colbermann, if you will.
dan friesen
Well, I mean, both of them make him superman.
jordan holmes
Colbert-man.
dan friesen
And if he's exhibiting those sorts of behaviors, and I'm being a bit speculative here...
I don't think he is right to be around his kids.
Like, if he has that kind of hair trigger that just something he disagrees with will send him into a rage where he breaks things, that's not someone who can be trusted around growing...
Humans.
jordan holmes
I think this is where we are out of our scope of practice.
dan friesen
That's why I said I was being speculative.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I think this is the one where his kids are not living with him full-time, and I think if you listen to this podcast, you know that's probably for the best.
dan friesen
And again, I want to stress, don't buy his products.
I legitimately think that they are deteriorating his mind.
I think that there are negative effects you can track in him.
Tomorrow we're going to be doing an episode, or it might come out later in the week.
We're going to be doing an episode later this week about an episode from 2014.
And we'll see.
You'll see a marked difference in him.
So, anyway.
jordan holmes
Let's finish this shit out.
dan friesen
We got one more clip.
This is the end of his analysis of Olbermann.
And it's dumb.
alex jones
Let's finish up with Keith Huberman.
Here he is.
keith olbermann
To prevent this day, others less so.
Right now, it doesn't matter who did much, when.
You and the FBI, CIA, the other intelligence agencies, the Justice Department, you must be the patriots now.
You and the five I's.
jordan holmes
Stepping on Alex Jones' territory.
alex jones
I love the lecturing.
Like, everybody's three years old.
You've got to be the patriots now.
It's horrible that Trump wants to secure our border and do better trade deals and that the stock market's up $3 trillion and $300 billion in new jobs came and that the steel mills are having the best production they've had in 60 years all of a sudden.
It's terrible we're not doing one-sided deals and he killed TPP that was unelected.
You've got to do what it takes and overthrow him, okay?
Okay?
Because it's a coup, so we have to overthrow him, even though he was elected.
So everything he says Trump's done, they're doing.
This is so illegal.
Here he is.
keith olbermann
In the outfits around the world, too secret to have their names known to us.
unidentified
You must become, for the moment, Americans.
keith olbermann
We need what you have, and we need it now, and we need it made public.
alex jones
Pause.
So give us all your dirt, give us all your made-up garbage, which there isn't any.
keith olbermann
There is.
alex jones
I mean, it's incredible.
The Clintons are on the Chinese and Russian payroll.
The globalists have sold the country out.
jordan holmes
They're not of them!
alex jones
And then Trump's trying to get sovereignty back, and they're the ones running around saying he's what they are.
Here it is.
jordan holmes
Yeah, right?
keith olbermann
It is more than just the fate of this sloppy but well-meaning country that is at risk.
alex jones
This sloppy but well-meaning.
I'm sorry we're sloppy.
I'm sorry I had my show for a decade running down America every day, but it's okay.
jordan holmes
Not what he's saying.
alex jones
Because I like it now.
If foreign governments help overthrow this evil president...
jordan holmes
So do you, Alex.
keith olbermann
Our faults, for good or bad, we cannot be left as a fascist rogue state and an enemy of freedom and international comity.
The fate of all freedoms may rest in your hands and your willingness to not merely hint, but show what you know.
If we go under, you are next.
The freedom you save will be...
Your own.
dan friesen
I get a little blowhardy.
jordan holmes
Yeah, fuck you.
Fuck Olbermann.
Fuck Olbermann.
alex jones
Man, that guy's phony, reading off a teleprompter in that Ted Bundy kidnapper outfit he wears.
jordan holmes
Ted Bundy kidnapper outfit.
alex jones
We're going to go to somebody who has been involved in regime change.
As a co-author with Tom Clancy and formerly worked in special operation, black ops, state department, you name it.
As a psychiatrist and doctor and a lot more.
Dr. Steve Pachenik popping in.
jordan holmes
Wait a second.
alex jones
Take your calls the next hour.
jordan holmes
Wait the fucking second.
dan friesen
He just did 35 minutes screaming.
jordan holmes
We're gonna go to a guy who has been involved with the regime changes that we do all the time.
dan friesen
And has claimed on my own show that he was involved in a coup against our government.
jordan holmes
Holy fuck!
dan friesen
Hey.
jordan holmes
Nothing is real.
Hey, Dan, I think I hear something at the door.
Let me open this door real quick.
dan friesen
It's probably a bill collector.
Don't answer it.
jordan holmes
I'm gonna open this door.
dan friesen
You busted.
unidentified
No!
dan friesen
So stupid.
Like, all of that is so stupid.
unidentified
That's unbelievable.
dan friesen
We've just recorded four hours.
The punchline is, this regime change guy is my guest.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
It's fucking so stupid.
I don't get it.
I don't get it.
jordan holmes
God damn it.
I thought we were going to bookend it with the clip a couple of clips ago.
This one?
Perfect.
dan friesen
Actually, I forgot to play our Out of Context drop, so I might as well do it now.
Here's a bookend for you.
alex jones
It isn't that Trump doesn't know how to use technology.
He doesn't trust it.
unidentified
Good.
Good.
dan friesen
He thinks robots are evil.
Alright?
Do you understand?
jordan holmes
It isn't that Trump doesn't love chimeras.
It's that he doesn't trust them.
dan friesen
It's not that he's a 70-year-old man who is spooked out by handheld devices.
He doesn't understand mobile phone technology.
It's not that.
He just doesn't trust it.
jordan holmes
And frankly, based on his situation regarding leaks and recordings, he's probably smart not to trust anything.
dan friesen
I wouldn't either.
So, good, good.
Good spin.
We gotta get out of here.
jordan holmes
We do!
How many hours are we at?
dan friesen
Four.
unidentified
Four?
dan friesen
Guys, you can follow us on Twitter at knowledge underscore fight.
If your name is Jack Posobiec, hit us up with a direct message.
jordan holmes
Oh, for sure.
Or you can email us at knowledgefight at gmail dot com.
dan friesen
I was about to say something that's off air.
Knowledgefight dot com is our website.
jordan holmes
You can subscribe to us on iTunes.
You can share our podcast through there.
Please leave a review.
We love that shit.
dan friesen
If you are still listening and you haven't left a review, Rappaport still lives on iTunes now.
jordan holmes
Also, if you're still listening and you haven't left a review, dude.
dan friesen
What the fuck?
Anyway.
jordan holmes
You are invested in us and maybe...
It's time to leave a review.
alex jones
Yeah.
dan friesen
Rappaport still lives.
jordan holmes
Rappaport still lives.
dan friesen
Also, if you want to donate to the show and become a policy wonk, you can.
There's a link on knowledgefight.com.
And if you'd like us to do a time travel episode to a specific date.
jordan holmes
$10 a month.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
And we would be happy to do it.
But until next time, we'll catch you soon.
But Rappaport still lives.
jordan holmes
Rappaport still lives!
alex jones
Andy in Kansas.
You're on the air.
Thanks for holding.
unidentified
Hello, Alex.
I'm a first time caller.
I'm a huge fan.
I love your work.
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