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May 10, 2017 - Knowledge Fight
01:11:20
#39: Jack Posobiec...Ya Busted

Today, Dan tells Jordan about a recent guest on The Alex Jones Show, Jack Posobiec. Jack was a central figure in the French election scandal, #Macronleaks, and he was a guest on the show to spout nonsense about it. To celebrate his appearance, Dan demonstrates for Jordan exactly how big a liar Posobiec is, based on a past appearance of his on InfoWars regarding Pizzagate. That sentence would have been nonsense five years ago.

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dan friesen
36:33
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jack posobiec
07:02
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jordan holmes
18:29
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alex jones
01:44
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owen shroyer
01:21
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alex jones
Andy in Kansas, you're on the air.
Thanks for holding.
unidentified
Hello, Alex.
jordan holmes
I'm a first-time caller.
unidentified
I'm a huge fan.
I love your work.
alex jones
I love you.
dan friesen
Hey, everybody.
Welcome back to Knowledge Fight.
I'm Dan.
jordan holmes
I'm Jordan.
dan friesen
We're a couple dudes who like to sit around, drink red wine, talk about Alex Jones, and wait for death.
There's been a change this week.
jordan holmes
Waiting for death is probably the best way of putting it.
dan friesen
We are hoarding water and waiting for death's sweet embrace.
jordan holmes
God, it sure seems like it's time.
dan friesen
Oh, boy.
jordan holmes
We're right there.
dan friesen
Yep, yep.
jordan holmes
I want to build a bunker.
dan friesen
We're close to, like, I gotta go to Infowarsstore.com and buy these non-perishable foods.
jordan holmes
Do they have anything that protects against radiation?
dan friesen
Yeah, yeah, they do.
jordan holmes
Then fuck yeah, we're in.
Finally we discover that there's one good thing, like it turns out Alex Jones saves the entire human race.
dan friesen
I think what he has won't work.
But it's advertised for that.
Anyway.
Plot twist of this show is that I know so much about Alex Jones.
jordan holmes
And I don't know anything about Alex Jones.
dan friesen
And that is where we find our middle ground.
That is the audience.
They might know a little bit.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Some of them might be closer to my end, some of them might be closer to your end.
jordan holmes
We educate and inform, and in the meantime, hopefully, we entertain.
dan friesen
You know what?
You know what?
jordan holmes
Because I'll be goddamned if it's impossible to listen to anything Alex Jones says without that.
dan friesen
It's fascinating to think that there's probably out there, there's probably some Dan folks, and there's probably some Jordan folks.
There's probably some people who listen and they're like, I like Dan.
Jordan's kind of annoying.
And vice versa.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I don't know.
dan friesen
There's 100%.
Some people are listening for you, some for me.
Sound off on Twitter.
jordan holmes
Please don't.
dan friesen
Destroy both of our self-esteem.
jordan holmes
I don't know if either of us can handle that.
dan friesen
Yeah, please don't do that.
jordan holmes
I am a delicate snowflake always looking for a safe space.
dan friesen
We're going to get today's episode, but before we do, I'd like to give a shout out.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
dan friesen
That was for you, Brian Berger.
Thank you very much for donating to the show.
jordan holmes
Thanks a bunch, Brian!
dan friesen
I realize that this is the first time I've used a donator's last name.
That was accidental, but he also...
jordan holmes
If we have any Alex Jones listeners, that's the real problem right there.
dan friesen
He's an old friend of mine.
On the night before his wedding, I threw pennies at him and he almost beat me up over a sink.
He's a good man.
jordan holmes
The night before his wedding.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
How did the wedding go?
dan friesen
Wedding was fine.
I got too drunk at the reception, though, and might have...
jordan holmes
And then you finally got beat up over a sink.
dan friesen
No, I karaoke'd stroking and didn't realize that there were still children present at the reception.
It was a night of fuck-ups on my part.
jordan holmes
It was an interesting night.
dan friesen
Anyway, today we're going to get to what our episode is about.
It's going to be interesting.
I told you before we started, it's going to be unlike a lot of episodes we've ever done in the past.
But first, I want to start with an out-of-context drop that'll have nothing to do with what we talk about on today's episode.
alex jones
Let us give the newborn baby shots.
Oh, another one died.
unidentified
Oh, liberal.
Oh.
alex jones
I mean, this is just their whole deal.
unidentified
Right.
And I don't, you know, I, as well, I'm not a troglodyte.
You're still oh, liberal.
jordan holmes
But I am...
unidentified
I don't like any of what's going on right there.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
That was a long time for them to do that.
dan friesen
Alex Jones and Leanne McAdoo had a little roundtable about transhumanism.
jordan holmes
All right, all right.
dan friesen
That was some of their deep analysis.
jordan holmes
That was it?
dan friesen
It went way off the rails.
Yeah, it was pretty terrible.
jordan holmes
Wow.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
So they just sure did that.
dan friesen
That should give you some indication of how the show has been the last few days.
It's been a disaster.
jordan holmes
Okay.
There goes another one.
Another baby dies.
Liberal.
Liberal!
That's their entire argument.
dan friesen
Most of it, yeah.
And everybody, you can imagine what he's doing.
They're doing the little T-Rex arms.
jordan holmes
Oh, you know, you saw it in your brain the moment he did.
dan friesen
The last few days on the show have been trouble, and I've been trying to find something for our next episode to be about, and...
It's been really hard.
So I've been going back to the well, and we have a couple time travel episodes we're going to end up doing in the near future, but I wanted to do one of my own, and so I went back to the day of the Boston bombing, because I was really curious, because I remember listening to him a little bit back then.
jordan holmes
Didn't he say it was a false flag?
dan friesen
Oh, big time.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
But here's the thing.
I don't know if we'll ever cover the episode itself, because much like the 9-11 episode, it's really not that interesting.
Okay.
As the news of the Boston bombing is breaking, he's in the middle of an interview with Richard Belzer.
jordan holmes
Richard Belzer?
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
So Richard Belzer sidecars his coverage of the Boston bombing over Skype.
It's amazing.
jordan holmes
So he is still on Skype with Richard Belzer while all this news breaks.
And Richard Belzer is not allowed to go.
dan friesen
No.
And he's thrilled to be there.
Belzer loves it.
Alex Jones is speculating wildly about how they're going to target patriots, and Belzer is just straight up signing off on all of them.
It's bizarre.
You watch him on Law& Order and everything, and you know he has a lot of ideas about JFK.
jordan holmes
I was genuinely sitting here going, it can't be Richard Belzer.
dan friesen
Oh, it's Belz.
jordan holmes
It can't be that Richard Belzer.
dan friesen
It's Hell's Belz.
jordan holmes
And he's just there.
dan friesen
Yep.
jordan holmes
It's that Richard Belzer.
dan friesen
It is.
So I was digging around and I was trying to find something for us to cover because, like I said, the last two days have been just no man's land.
That was no good.
I was really struggling and then I realized on Monday Alex Jones did an interview with Jack Posobiec.
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
We've brought him up a couple times in the past and today it is finally time for us to delve in.
To something that I am going to call one of our dirty dossiers.
Because as we do this show, it's going to become more and more essential that we clearly delineate who these fucking characters are that exist in the periphery.
Alex Jones had an interview with Jack Posobiec because he is one of the main forces behind the Macron leaks.
So I found a New Yorker article.
That contradicts his story about what happened with the Macron leaks.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
This is a New Yorker story that actually uses an interview with Jack Posobiec as its sort of foundation.
A quote from this New Yorker article.
I reached Posobiec by phone on Saturday.
The previous day, he told me, he had flown from Washington to Miami to attend a party hosted by the far-right self-promoter Milo Yiannopoulos.
Posobiec spent much of Friday night monitoring 4chan slash poll, the 4chan message board, which has recently become a breeding ground for nationalist trolls, both in the U.S. and abroad.
This is a quote from Posobiec.
People were claiming something big was coming, so I just kept hitting refresh, he told me.
Shortly before 3pm, an anonymous 4chan user posted 9 gigabytes of information, purportedly hacked emails, photographs, and internal documents from the campaign of Emmanuel Macron.
Vosobiec could not know whether all the information was authentic.
He didn't even have time to glance through most of the thousands of pages, but he considered it his journalistic duty to let his followers know about the leak.
Quote, Massive doc dump at poll, he tweeted.
He included a link to the 4chan, So that's how he got involved, according to him.
jordan holmes
I had heard that that happened, and that it was...
And that's why everybody was mad at WikiLeaks or something, and yet they weren't the ones who leaked the information or hacked it.
They just had it.
dan friesen
Yeah, they ended up with it and released it.
It was hacked by somebody.
So anyway, he goes to this party, and people start retweeting it, and it starts to catch steam.
And so, like, at about midnight, he realizes, he's at Milo Yiannopoulos'party, and he realizes that a bunch of other people have started to pick up on this.
unidentified
Of course!
dan friesen
It's been demonstrated, has been done in the past.
Yes.
unidentified
And so on the phone, Posobiec started a live video on Periscope, which he called a, quote, press conference on Macron leaks.
dan friesen
The first few minutes consisted of Posobiec...
jordan holmes
Which he has not read or looked at.
dan friesen
He's gone to a party at this point.
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
The first few minutes consisted of Posobiec and his girlfriend dancing to Bad and Bougie by Migos, while Posobiec occasionally made the okay hand gesture.
jordan holmes
Alright, why didn't he just stop it there?
unidentified
I don't know.
jordan holmes
Don't talk about the leaks.
Just fucking...
Just let me enjoy that.
Just let me enjoy that.
Mental image of your monstrous 4D journalism bullshit, and instead you're dancing to Migos.
dan friesen
So then he took a little bit of harsh criticism about...
jordan holmes
Like the alt-right does.
dan friesen
He took some harsh criticism and his response was, I just find interesting things and post them to my Twitter feed.
Look, journalists have gotten so bad that they see someone like me doing real work, actually digging through documents and distributing them to people.
They assume there must be some sort of conspiracy behind it.
I hope that if anything, this can be a learning experience for the New York Times and Le Mans and the rest of them to understand how real journalism works.
jordan holmes
He was dancing to Migos!
dan friesen
By his own admission in this article.
jordan holmes
He didn't read any of the documents!
dan friesen
No, he just said like, well, maybe this is something.
Fuck, I'll put it out on Twitter.
jordan holmes
That was it!
dan friesen
Yeah, so that should give you some sort of a sense of what a blowhard fuck this guy is.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I'm not a big fan.
dan friesen
I hate him.
jordan holmes
I read something about him where he was describing his 4D journalism.
dan friesen
Yeah, where he gets involved.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
A lot of other people just report things.
And I believe his quote was, I'll go to an anti-Trump rally and start saying anti-Clinton stuff.
dan friesen
Just see what happens.
jordan holmes
Yeah, and you're like, that's...
That's just being a dick.
That's not being a journalist of any kind.
dan friesen
But again, this directly relates to what we talked about in that 2015 episode, where Mark Dice went out and asked people if they supported banning the American flag or got them to sign his petition.
Infowars puts out a video about it.
Drudge Report puts up a link.
Alex Jones starts reporting that Drudge Report is reporting this thing.
It's this cycle.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
It's Jack Posobiec goes and starts a fight at some, like, anti-Trump rally.
He becomes the story, and then he reports on the story.
jordan holmes
Yeah, see, that's...
Okay.
Now, I have only taken zero journalism classes.
But I have read journalism.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
I feel like that's wrong.
Isn't that bad?
Like, aren't you supposed to, like, by the definition of journal, aren't you supposed to record these things?
And that's it.
Just write it the fuck down.
dan friesen
Even the fucking newscaster in Arrested Development knows that.
Can't be part of the story.
Can't be part of the story.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly.
dan friesen
Even in a fucking...
Anyway, we're gonna talk quite a bit about Jack Posobiec today, and at the end of this, I guarantee you, he gonna be busted.
But...
We have to start with why he was on the show on Monday.
unidentified
Okay.
dan friesen
So he was tweeting about the Macron leaks.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
And now he's coming on to InfoWars on Monday because the narrative is that Macron himself is suing Jack Posobiec.
jordan holmes
No, isn't he suing Le Pen?
dan friesen
I will let Alex Jones start the narrative.
alex jones
all right so if macron's so powerful the new french president why is he suing jack the sub the active reported on the whistleblowers the leaks I don't know if he's suing Le Pen, but what he is doing is they're starting an investigation into these hackings.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Because they are patently illegal.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's a super good idea.
dan friesen
Yep.
jordan holmes
To investigate these hackings.
unidentified
Yep.
jordan holmes
The ones where you got hacked illegally.
dan friesen
And especially because this hack is different than the Podesta ones and other hacks in the past, where this hack explicitly has tons of fake shit in it.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Well, apparently Macron put his own fake shit in there.
dan friesen
Smart.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Which is super smart.
That he didn't know he was going to be hacked, but still...
Like, I mean, if you're halfway smart now, you know you're gonna be hacked.
dan friesen
But to be fair, like, our intelligence agencies in the last few days have confirmed that they told the French that, like, hey, guys, there are attacks happening.
We can monitor them.
We're seeing them happening.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
You are being digitally attacked.
jordan holmes
You're being targeted.
dan friesen
So, yeah.
jordan holmes
But at the same time, I feel like you should guess.
Like, if you're going up against a nationalist candidate anywhere...
unidentified
Mm-hmm.
jordan holmes
You better believe you're gonna get hacked.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Just do a better job of hiding shit.
dan friesen
It's becoming the tool of the present and the future of hurting people.
jordan holmes
And this one is undeniable.
Like, this was explicitly, we're trying to influence this election.
And there was no other explanation for it.
dan friesen
And the only reason is to help the nationalist candidate.
unidentified
Yeah, exactly.
dan friesen
The quote nationalist candidate.
jordan holmes
Which we can tie back to all of the other hacks helping nationalist candidates with ties to Putin and to each other.
So it seems like there can be no other conclusion.
dan friesen
Yep.
jordan holmes
It is now, now obviously the evidence is circumstantial.
But if it's a fucking coincidence, I will kill myself.
dan friesen
It's like, this stuff happening, Sally Yates and Clapper's testimony the other day.
Comey being fired today as we're recording this.
jordan holmes
All of it is too late.
dan friesen
It's too much.
All of it is too much.
I don't know how to handle this.
Let's not talk about that.
Let's talk about Jack Posobiec.
It's easier somehow.
jordan holmes
Let's talk about a different person who deserves to be in jail.
dan friesen
So he wants to give a little breakdown about the leaks.
He's going to talk about the stuff that's being found in these documents.
jordan holmes
I hope it's pizza.
alex jones
What's really happened?
What's unfolding?
Why they're suing you?
Why they're so upset?
And what we're learning about, reportedly, the gay porn, the gay escorts, the drugs.
I mean, what's going on here?
Why this guy is such a little darling of the establishment, youngest French president ever.
jack posobiec
Sure, Alex.
And so, well, we saw the Macron gate last week where it was revealed that he has these offshore bank accounts in the Cayman Islands, tax evasion, billions of dollars.
It was also then revealed in these emails that, number one, the Macron campaign was funding Antifa, was behind the Antifa riots in Paris where they were setting police officers on fire.
dan friesen
Let's be clear.
There is not real evidence of those bank accounts that he's talking about.
jordan holmes
In fact, there is absolutely no evidence of it because it's been proven they do not exist.
dan friesen
And all the images that people keep posting are all not what they say they are.
unidentified
Exactly.
dan friesen
Some of them are insurance documents.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
It's insanity.
jordan holmes
Like normal people have.
No, that's why he's suing Le Pen for defamation because that's...
Literally what she's doing.
dan friesen
Okay.
jordan holmes
And he is a part of this.
Yeah, they can sue Posobiec for the same thing.
Probably not, though, because he's not a French citizen.
dan friesen
I don't know what kind of standing they'd have, but they're not suing him.
alex jones
Right.
dan friesen
But here's the thing.
jordan holmes
Well, probably because they can't.
dan friesen
The kind of behavior that's being expressed here is the kind of thing that's like, well, if they weren't going to sue you, sure hope they do now.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Because now he's introducing this idea of, like, they were paying people to set cops on fire, and then it's going to get worse.
jack posobiec
May 1st, we find out activities where they've been selling and buying designer drugs that they're saying they're for the boss, this drug called MMC3.
He's also on the list, essentially, of this homosexual cult sort of mailing list that he's on with the drugs and all that stuff.
And let's keep in mind that Macron himself is a victim of pedophilia.
So we know from a very early age he was involved in pedophilia himself, the victim of his own wife.
dan friesen
Two things.
jordan holmes
No, no, no, no, no.
dan friesen
Two things.
jordan holmes
So, no.
dan friesen
Two things.
jordan holmes
No!
dan friesen
Two things.
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
If you search for MMC3, everything that comes up is about a Nintendo controller called the Memory Management Controller.
jordan holmes
Well, yeah, but this is that times three.
dan friesen
This is deep stuff.
unidentified
It'll get you so high, you'll be able to play video games.
dan friesen
I mean, yeah, his wife is a lot older than him, but the age of consent in France is 15. Right.
I don't know if you want to call that pedophilia, but culturally...
jordan holmes
That's what they're calling that...
dan friesen
That's specifically what he's talking about.
jordan holmes
I thought we were talking about, you know...
dan friesen
Child abuse?
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
No, I don't think he...
I mean, if he's making that kind of an accusation unfounded...
I mean, it's not even an accusation, but it's just weird.
jordan holmes
It's just weird.
dan friesen
He's talking about his wife, who was a teacher in his high school, a drama teacher, and they ended up having a relationship later.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it's weird and unusual and...
dan friesen
I know at least two people who ended up dating teachers.
One of them got married, but they did not start their relationship.
While they were teacher and student.
jordan holmes
But later on they...
dan friesen
And they met around that like 16, 17 no man's land.
Where it's like, it's fucked up, but...
You know, it's not Mary Kay Letourneau shit or anything like that.
I don't know.
Look, I'm not here to go to bat for Macron hanging around with his teacher.
But I also am not here to call it pedophilia.
I think that that is...
jordan holmes
That'd be great if you explicitly...
Like at the very beginning of the episode you're like, I am here to go to bat!
For Macron banging his teacher.
Now, I have no personal investment in this whatsoever.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Wink, wink, nudge, nudge.
dan friesen
I do think it matters, though, culturally, that the age of consent is 15 in France.
It's not illegal.
Whatever.
Who cares?
jordan holmes
If one part of the world looks at another part of the weird world and goes, that's gross and you should be held to our standards, you're dumb.
dan friesen
But anyway, he goes on.
He says even worse stuff about Macron and his wife.
jordan holmes
But even then, he made it imply that he wasn't...
That he was involved in pedophilia.
unidentified
Right.
jordan holmes
Like, he wasn't the victim of pedophilia.
He was just all around it.
He was just...
dan friesen
He was part of that world, and therefore he will always be part of that world.
jordan holmes
Yeah, exactly.
Yeah, so that makes him a complete pervert.
dan friesen
We completely skipped over the part where he said that he's on a gay sex cult email list.
jordan holmes
Ah, well, who is it?
That is totally believable!
He's on a gay sex cult email list?
dan friesen
What kind of gay sex cult has an email list?
That's a shitty cult.
jordan holmes
Why would you send a...
Okay, it's time to send out an email blast for our next gay sex cult meeting.
dan friesen
Yeah, yeah.
Ridiculous.
jordan holmes
Hey guys, I'm gonna send you an e-vite.
How's Saturday morning around 11?
dan friesen
So, here he goes.
unidentified
Potluck!
dan friesen
He goes on a little more.
And this is the stuff that I've actually seen people tweeting about.
Like this part of his commentary.
And it's fucking wacky.
jack posobiec
There's tens of thousands.
We literally haven't had enough time possibly for our researchers at Rebel Media or the people on 4chan to go through these things, to translate them, and to make all the connections to find what's happening.
dan friesen
Also, he's talking about people on 4chan, which are notorious, reliable researchers.
Certainly let them handle every truth-based investigation.
Secondarily, he brought up Rebel Media.
Again, they are very important.
They are a piece of this puzzle that is going to be increasingly dangerous in the future.
Just wanted to point that out.
jack posobiec
They were using Bitcoin to buy designer drugs on the black market out in France.
I mean, it's crazy.
alex jones
Now, the story is, it's admitted with him and his older wife that there's a lot of weird stuff going on and that she did know him back because he was married and all this.
What's going on there?
jack posobiec
That's right.
He was her high school student when he was 14 and 15. And then later, but it was stated that that was when the relationship started, but that no sexual acts began until he was of legal age in France, which I believe is 18. So that right there tells me something very, very fishy is going on.
She has children that are older than him, as a matter of fact.
And it may be a way that they found this guy very, very young, and they were using that to essentially turn him into a puppet, turn him into a marionette, and now they're plying him with drugs, keeping him drugged up, and getting him to do whatever they want.
So yeah, you've got the article here at God News where they're showing you this stuff, the way they're controlling him.
The same kind of mind control they use for celebrities, for actors, for musicians that we see around the world.
unidentified
Yep!
dan friesen
Great journalism.
unidentified
Yep.
jordan holmes
Mind control.
dan friesen
Great.
jordan holmes
Mind control.
We see it for actors.
dan friesen
Yes.
jordan holmes
Musicians.
dan friesen
All of them.
jordan holmes
Celebrities.
dan friesen
Yep.
jordan holmes
Whatever Kim Kardashian is.
dan friesen
Yeah, yeah.
It's like, oh, it just...
jordan holmes
It's mind control.
dan friesen
Yep.
jordan holmes
He's groomed.
From a very young age.
We know because he said that nothing started until he was of legal age.
Which is 15. That means something very suspicious is going on.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
Obviously.
If somebody asks you that question all the time and then you answer it truthfully, ah, we know you're lying.
And then, of course, mind control with the designer drugs?
dan friesen
Right, yeah.
jordan holmes
Bitcoin?
dan friesen
You take this really young guy and you drug him up real good and now he's your puppet.
jordan holmes
15 years ago, now he's your puppet.
dan friesen
Right.
Now he's the youngest.
President in France ever.
jordan holmes
So he's literally a Manchurian candidate.
That's what they're saying.
dan friesen
They would never be saying this stuff if he wasn't someone who just beat the pants off of Marie Le Pen.
It's crazy.
The idea that he didn't fact-check what the age of consent is in France means he's not doing any work.
jordan holmes
Why would he?
dan friesen
The fact that he just tweeted about this stuff and then went to Milo's party means he doesn't really care at all.
Dances to Migos during his press conference means he's an asshole.
jordan holmes
Tens of thousands of documents.
dan friesen
Right, and then he comes into the Alex Jones show and he's like, he's probably being drugged up and is just a puppet.
unidentified
Like, if you're a journalist, you can't say that.
dan friesen
You don't have anything to back that on.
jordan holmes
You can't speculate wildly about mind-control drugs and whether or not they are being used to manipulate the leaders of multiple countries, as well as musicians.
dan friesen
You're not supposed to.
It's considered poor fun.
jordan holmes
As we all know, the number one musician being mind-controlled right now?
dan friesen
Bad and bougie.
jordan holmes
Migos.
dan friesen
So, that's most of the substance of what he's talking about.
jordan holmes
That's the substance!
dan friesen
Yeah.
He also is asked at one point about how he found out he's being sued, and his fucking answer is so vague and nonsensical that, like, I don't believe him at all.
No, and I tried to Google it.
I tried to find, like, you know, Posobiec being sued by Macron.
There's nothing.
There's nothing on it.
He said the documents are public.
There is nothing.
There's nothing.
He's not being sued by Macron.
Anyway, we're gonna get back to Jack Posobiec in a second, but I want to get the taste out of our mouth with our old friend Alex, because we need some Alex Jones on this podcast.
jordan holmes
Yes, we do.
dan friesen
It's gonna be a lot of Posobiec, so let's enjoy Alex while we can discussing how evil the Louvre is.
jordan holmes
What?
dan friesen
He wants to say that the Louvre is satanic.
And when Macron came out in front of the pyramid, that it was some symbolic Satanistic gesture.
Now, some might argue it's one of the biggest landmarks in France.
jordan holmes
Don't understand.
dan friesen
But Alex brings up...
jordan holmes
I don't even think it houses anything famous.
dan friesen
I need you to let...
I want you to hear every word of this, because it's fucking hilarious.
Alex Jones...
Because he starts reading for once in his life.
jordan holmes
Oh no!
dan friesen
Accidentally busts himself live on air.
So here we go.
alex jones
And sure enough, found from the Encyclopedia Obscura, the Louvre Pyramid.
And you can read where, completed in 89, the largest of the structures, commonly referred to as the Louvre Pyramid, now serves as the main entrance to the museum and is one of the city's more notable landmarks.
The structure's Chinese-American architect claimed that the design was inspired by a trellis he had seen at the adjunct.
And that the Lube Pyramid was in nowhere related to the monuments of Egypt.
The Lube Pyramid raised controversy in the 80s following the publication of an official brochure.
Twice in the pages of the brochure, it was claimed that the structure was formed of 666 individual panes of glass.
The figure was subsequently quoted on numerous newspapers and became a widespread.
And then it goes on, though, to have Francois Mineron saying that, indeed, it is dedicated to the beast.
Revelations aside, the notions that the Lube Pyramid 666 panes is, in fact, False.
He tries to claim an official statement by the Louvre Museum.
Now, where was the part you showed me, though, where Francois Mitterrand said that himself?
dan friesen
Do you see that?
He fucking busted himself.
Twice there at the end, he tried to undersell how what he was reading says the opposite of what he wanted to say.
He was saying that, like, these 666 tile thing, it was subsequently proven to be a hoax.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And he drops off the word hoax.
And it was like, it's subsequently proven.
But that meter on, that is false.
jordan holmes
Wait, why did he say that himself?
dan friesen
Never does get around to proving it.
jordan holmes
It was based on the beast.
dan friesen
Based on the beast.
jordan holmes
Based on the beast.
dan friesen
Brock Lesnar was the inspiration for the Louvre.
jordan holmes
And we know that it's suspicious because the Louvre came out and said, it's not suspicious.
dan friesen
Right, right.
And all of this stuff is just based.
I mean, if you listen to what he's saying, it's all just based on a pamphlet, like an erroneous pamphlet.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
They came out.
jordan holmes
There were a couple of pamphlets.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Well, they were brochures.
dan friesen
Brochures!
jordan holmes
They were brochures.
They also included some SkyMall objects, but who doesn't need SkyMall objects?
unidentified
C 'est brochure et très bien.
dan friesen
J 'adore la France.
Now there's going to be a new segment where I just speak French for a little while.
unidentified
Okay.
jordan holmes
I'm going to let you roll.
dan friesen
So, Jack Posobiec has come in.
He's made his claims about Macron.
And now it's time to take a little trip back in time to the last time that Jack Posobiec was on InfoWars.
unidentified
Okay.
dan friesen
It might not actually be the last time, but it's the most important time.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
And that is when he was breaking the story about Pizzagate.
jordan holmes
Alrighty!
dan friesen
So what we're going to do is I...
jordan holmes
I'm happy to get back to that fucking monstrosity of a bullshit mess story that still won't goddamn die.
dan friesen
Well, because...
No one else should have to watch the entire video of Jack Posobiec going to Comet Ping Pong.
I have done that, and isolated clips.
jordan holmes
So we're going to the actual video of him wandering through a pizza place going, look, there it is!
dan friesen
Nope, what we're going to do is we're going to listen to his interview with Owen Schroyer on InfoWars, and then whenever he says something about what he did at Comet Ping Pong...
I will play the actual audio of it just to prove in real time what a fucking liar he is.
jordan holmes
Do you even need me for this episode?
dan friesen
I don't.
jordan holmes
Do you want to just put those back to back for the rest of the episode?
We'll call it good after another 20 minutes.
dan friesen
I actually think that you might be surprised by how big of a liar he is.
So, like, it actually does serve a purpose that you're here.
And I like company.
unidentified
Okay.
All righty.
dan friesen
So here we go.
This is the beginning of the interview we did with Owen Schroyer.
jordan holmes
Let's just call this the Ya Busted Special.
dan friesen
Oh, totally.
Ya Busted Posobiec.
owen shroyer
We are joined by Jack Posobiec, the Special Operations Director for Citizens for Trump.
jordan holmes
He was giving me great intel on election night.
owen shroyer
All of it ended up coming true.
But recently, he went inside of Comet Pizza and Ping Pong and got kicked out.
dan friesen
So we should just stop there for a second and really make clear that he is not a journalist.
He's a functionary for Citizens for Trump.
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
He is a political operative.
jordan holmes
No, that's...
dan friesen
He's never been someone who...
No?
jordan holmes
Journalism.
dan friesen
Journalism.
All right, fair enough.
jordan holmes
Yeah, you know how...
Well, I mean, let's face it.
Fox News is basically an arm of the Trump campaign now, too.
dan friesen
Sure.
Anyway.
owen shroyer
Well, one of the biggest trends on Twitter has been the whole Pizzagate thing, and there's a lot of weird activity going on here, a lot of alleged stuff.
That a lot of people on Twitter are obsessing over, to be quite frank with you.
But you actually went to Comet Ping Pong and Pizza.
You actually had your boots on the ground.
unidentified
Tell us about what happened.
So that's what I do, Owen, and thanks for having me on tonight.
jack posobiec
I saw a lot of people were researching Pizzagate, and I saw a lot of people were talking about it.
And quite frankly, it had not been something that I had put a lot of effort into because it really broke just towards the end of the campaign.
And as citizens for Trump, we were working very hard to get Mr. Trump elected to make sure that we were going to stop the steal, stop the fraud operations that were going on from the Democrats.
So I hadn't really paid much into So, he has already laid out here his groundwork.
dan friesen
He was actively working to get a particular candidate.
Elected.
jordan holmes
Like a journalist.
dan friesen
This controversy, this fake controversy that sprung out of the illegal leaks of the opposite candidate's emails, or her campaign manager's emails, didn't really pay much attention to him.
jordan holmes
Right, journalist.
dan friesen
No, didn't really pay much attention to him.
jordan holmes
Didn't need to.
dan friesen
No, no.
jordan holmes
Trying to get Trump elected.
Why would you pay attention to those leaks?
dan friesen
That's also not true.
He was paying attention to those things.
But, he goes on.
In this next clip, he discusses a little bit about his decision to go to Comet Ping Pong.
jordan holmes
Did he struggle?
dan friesen
Oh, he struggled.
jordan holmes
Did he have it in an inner battle?
dan friesen
This is a hero's story.
I mean, you've got to know that.
jordan holmes
Oh, okay.
dan friesen
Jack Posobiec comes out of this looking great.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
So we're on some hero's journey.
dan friesen
This is Joseph Campbell stuff.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
This is where he's like, can I pull the sword out?
unidentified
Gotcha.
jordan holmes
He hasn't yet taken the call to action.
jack posobiec
And I hadn't been one of those people that was, you know, researching it and putting together the spaghetti string, you know, of who's who tied to Hillary, tied to Podesta and all the emails.
But I said, well, look, guys, if we think that there's something going on, why don't we just go to the place, sit down, order dinner, periscope it live and see what happens?
owen shroyer
And you did saw it happen, and you saw kind of a strange reaction.
jordan holmes
But, you know, to me, there's even...
I mean, humans have a sixth sense.
owen shroyer
There's a reason why certain environments make our hair stand up on the back of our necks.
There's a reason why we get butterflies.
I feel like if you were in this establishment and there was serious activity like this alleged pedophile activity going on, you would kind of sense it.
You would sense the weirdness of the place.
jordan holmes
Just tell me what it was like when you walked in and then...
dan friesen
But let's be clear.
jordan holmes
I can feel something when I walk in this room.
Did you feel that?
It just got a little bit colder.
dan friesen
That, again, is not good journalism.
jordan holmes
I can feel pedophile energy around this place.
dan friesen
If you're reporting on vibes, that's not good.
jordan holmes
Bad vibes!
Pizzagate!
jack posobiec
Bad vibes!
unidentified
That was the New York Post headline!
dan friesen
I remember when Walter Cronkite would get on TV and be like...
I gotta be honest, I got no facts, but this story gives me the willies.
unidentified
Good evening, this is Edward R. Murrow.
jordan holmes
I just want to let you know that McCarthy.
dan friesen
Creepy.
jordan holmes
Giving me some bad vibes.
Let me tell you something about that guy.
Every time I get near him, the hair raises on the back of my neck.
dan friesen
I get goose pimples.
jordan holmes
I'm starting to think.
He's going to prosecute a lot of people illegally for communist ties, even though they don't actually have communist ties.
Let's blacklist Hollywood.
dan friesen
Good night and good vibes.
So let's discuss these vibes.
owen shroyer
How kind of the staff there treated you?
jack posobiec
Weird vibe, man.
Really weird vibe.
And if anyone wants to go and look at the periscopes, I'm on Twitter, at Jack Pasovic.
It's just my name.
But the first moment we stepped in, you know, the people sort of had that, like, super extra happy smile.
unidentified
And I don't mean like, you know, there was a nice greeter who was there.
jack posobiec
I mean, like, this is your table.
This is going to be a great meal.
You're going to have a good time.
dan friesen
So that's what he's characterizing.
unidentified
Welcome to your table, Mr. Posobiec.
jordan holmes
How did you know my name?
I am a pedophile.
dan friesen
And I know all.
jordan holmes
We know all names.
That's what gives us our power.
dan friesen
So I want to be clear.
I've not cut out anything relevant from the time that he is in Comet Ping Pong.
He does get thrown out.
I've cut out him and his friend standing outside talking about how they might eat them.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right.
dan friesen
We're going to be the next victims.
They might be high.
They might be fucking stoned.
jordan holmes
That would be more fun.
dan friesen
Yeah, so here is him going inside Comet Ping Pong, just talking to the greeter, and see if it sounds like it matches up at all with, ooh, here's your table.
jordan holmes
The food here is good.
dan friesen
See if it all matches that.
jordan holmes
It's made of people.
jack posobiec
Alright, here we go.
Time to infiltrate.
jordan holmes
Time to infiltrate!
jack posobiec
How do you even get in this place?
unidentified
Oh, okay.
Open the door.
jack posobiec
There you go.
Alright, it's good.
Hold on, let's check out the menu.
What's on the menu?
unidentified
It's a cover story.
jordan holmes
Cover stories that, uh...
jack posobiec
We need a cover story for you.
jordan holmes
We work near here and, uh...
jack posobiec
That we work in D.C. and we want pizza.
And we want pizza.
jordan holmes
Just out here for...
unidentified
Hold on, hold on.
jack posobiec
I want to look at some of the stuff.
Jungle peanuts?
jordan holmes
Sounds like jungle peanuts.
unidentified
You've been here before?
jack posobiec
You've been here before?
unidentified
Oh, no.
Oh, no.
jack posobiec
Hey, how you doing?
jordan holmes
Two, please?
jack posobiec
Can you hear ping pong or not?
unidentified
Um...
jack posobiec
We would play some ping pong.
We're very friendly.
unidentified
We want to check out the back.
Definitely.
jack posobiec
Alright, they're taking us into the back now.
dan friesen
So in that clip, he...
jordan holmes
She didn't even sound that nice, to be honest.
dan friesen
No, she said, in the back, do you want to be back by the ping pong or not?
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And he said, we're friendly.
jordan holmes
We're very friendly.
dan friesen
He's the one who's being way more creepy.
jordan holmes
That is so...
He's the worst secret agent in history.
dan friesen
And in that clip, right at the end, he does one of the first things that tips them off.
I'm certain that he's not on the level.
And that is, he's narrating his trip.
He says, they're walking us to the back.
Like he's a spy talking into a flower.
He has his periscoping phone in his shirt pocket.
So he's walking around with it, and you can see nothing creepy, tons of families, tons of people eating dinner.
It's a cool-looking restaurant bar.
There's nothing...
He claims that, oh, we got footage of all these...
Creepy pictures and stuff.
Nothing.
Anyway, they were not being, ooh, here's your table, ooh, any of that.
unidentified
Would you like to be near the ping pong?
dan friesen
So that's the first instance of him incredibly mischaracterizing.
jordan holmes
We're very friendly.
Hi!
I am human!
Oh, shit!
What's my cover name?
I forgot!
I forgot!
I am pizza ping pong!
God damn it!
unidentified
Fuck!
dan friesen
I'm pizza person, ma 'am!
I'm friendly!
jordan holmes
I would like pizza!
I would like pizza!
dan friesen
So he goes on in his interview with our man Owen Schroyer to talk a little bit about the various games that they have there, and this is a lie.
jack posobiec
We were asking basic questions, and sort of the answers that we were getting back were very shady.
They were very noncommittal.
At one point, we were going into the back room, and so they had this ping-pong set up with a foosball table, and I was just saying, oh, foosball.
It's like when I was in the military.
We used to always play foosball in the Navy and on the swim base.
And I said, can we play foosball?
And, like, they didn't know what I was talking about.
And even the owner or I guess the manager who was there didn't really know what I was talking about.
And I said, and I, like, pointed to it a couple times.
Oh, that, yeah.
Because there's a foosball table there that clearly hadn't been used in a very long time.
dan friesen
So here...
jack posobiec
So...
jordan holmes
Is it like if you spin the goalie three times, it takes you into the underground?
dan friesen
So that's...
His characterization of what happened with the foosball.
Now I have all the audio of that.
Here is what happened with the foosball.
jordan holmes
Why would you leave it up?
dan friesen
I don't know.
jack posobiec
Why leave it up?
dan friesen
I don't know.
It's crazy.
But I want you to pay very close attention to the end of this.
Because the lady very clearly explains why she was a little bit confused.
And it makes total sense.
jordan holmes
Okay.
jack posobiec
Is there foosball too?
jordan holmes
How does it work?
jack posobiec
Do we have to...
unidentified
Like the little football guys.
jack posobiec
Little, you know.
unidentified
Let's check.
Yes, there is.
Hey, guys.
How you doing?
Foosball.
Yes.
Football.
Yeah, foosball.
I want to say seven years.
I started like three days ago, so...
jordan holmes
How long are you open tonight?
dan friesen
So, you got that there?
unidentified
You got that?
jordan holmes
I started three days ago.
dan friesen
Yeah, he's like, oh, you guys got foosball?
She's like, I don't know.
I don't know.
jordan holmes
I'm nervous.
Nobody's ever asked me that question before.
dan friesen
She's being friendly.
jordan holmes
I thought you said you were friendly!
dan friesen
She's being friendly in, like, a server, but at the same time, she doesn't know, and her reason for not knowing is she just started.
jordan holmes
I don't know.
It's suspicious if you don't know what foosball is.
dan friesen
I don't think it is.
You guys got bumper pool?
You guys got pachinko?
unidentified
What do you got?
dan friesen
So that's, again, him completely taking out of context what happened there.
But the foosball fun is not done.
We have two more clips about foosball.
jordan holmes
How can there be this much about foosball?
dan friesen
Because it really illustrates how weird he's acting.
Like, he's not acting like a normal customer.
And listen to this.
jack posobiec
Pacing and leading.
Pacing and leading.
We're normal guys who want to play football.
dan friesen
He's saying that out loud.
unidentified
He's saying that.
dan friesen
Pacing and leading.
We're just normal guys who want to play football.
unidentified
What a fucking idiot.
dan friesen
So anyway.
Eventually, the person who I presume is the manager, it's hard to tell, it's very dark in the video, but someone comes over and brings him a ball.
And it also is very suspicious that they bring him a foosball and he doesn't want to play at all.
jordan holmes
Wait, so now he doesn't want to play?
dan friesen
Well, here's that clip.
jordan holmes
I thought he said he was just too normal, he was just a normal guy who wanted to play foosball.
dan friesen
Just a normal guy.
jordan holmes
Pacing and leaving, pacing and leaving.
unidentified
No, I looked in, I couldn't find one.
jack posobiec
Is that bathroom?
unidentified
Bathroom?
No, bathroom's right over here.
Oh, okay.
dan friesen
So, that's, you know, he immediately is not interested in the foosball once the ball shows up, which has got to be strange.
jordan holmes
I see you've confirmed my suspicion.
There is a foosball.
dan friesen
Yeah, okay, great.
Case proven.
jordan holmes
Now we know.
Now we know.
unidentified
Pizzagate.
dan friesen
So, he goes on in this interview.
Let's see what else he's got with Owen Schroer.
jack posobiec
Meanwhile, I'm looking around, and this is like 9 o 'clock at night in a bar in D.C., and there's little kids just randomly sort of walking around, going back and forth from this curtain.
People are going back and forth.
And the guy's like, oh, no, no, no, you come over here to find the bathroom.
And we go over, and there's this like, I kid you not, you can see it on the periscope, it's a secret door that's kind of like this flag behind me where a secret door, and you press it in.
And then the bathroom door opens, and I'm looking around like, what kind of place am I in right now?
dan friesen
They do have a very bizarre and unique bathroom door there, but it's nothing evil.
jordan holmes
It's a fun door!
dan friesen
But he also says that there's like a back room.
jordan holmes
They're like, no, no, no, come over here to use the bathroom.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
Because that's where the fucking bathroom is!
dan friesen
Right, but he also...
jordan holmes
You can't just go to the...
Okay, come over here to behind the bar.
To use the bathroom.
dan friesen
We have a sink.
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
But also, before that, he was saying that there's kids scampering in and out of this curtained area.
Yes.
You can see it in the...
jordan holmes
Very unlike children.
dan friesen
It's not in...
That's not in the Periscope.
There is a back room.
There is, because every fucking business has a back room.
jordan holmes
Uh-huh.
dan friesen
Every single one.
jordan holmes
It's where there's a kitchen, there might be an office in there.
Could just be cleaning supplies!
dan friesen
What's fun about what you see in the Periscope is that he shows this back door, or this back room, the entrance to the back room.
unidentified
Yes.
jordan holmes
Doesn't say, staff only.
dan friesen
They don't say anything and you can't really see it because it's too far away.
There are not kids scampering around, but it's the implied creepiness of it.
But there's also...
No one back there playing ping pong.
jordan holmes
I get bad vibes from that.
dan friesen
It's all empty.
It's all empty.
No one tells him not to go back there.
He asks where the bathroom is.
You heard it at the end of the last clip we played.
jordan holmes
Yep, they directed him to the bathroom.
dan friesen
It's right over here.
Here's the bathroom.
And again, the bathroom is a little creepy, but...
jordan holmes
The bathroom's not a little creepy.
It's a weird...
It's a unique door.
It's an unusual bathroom.
dan friesen
Yeah, that's it.
jordan holmes
Isn't that always cool?
dan friesen
But it's also a cool bar.
Of course you'd want to have something interesting and unique in your bar.
So Posobiec goes on to...
jordan holmes
It fits with their brand.
dan friesen
He goes on to tell the rest of the...
A little bit more of his story, I should say, to Owen Schroyer here, and he gets to the part where his time at Comet Ping Pong Pizza ends.
jack posobiec
I see the manager comes by.
He's on the phone.
And he's staring at me.
And he's staring at the other guy.
And meanwhile, I've only been in this place for about five minutes.
And then I go and I get to the point where I think I ordered a garlic knot.
And it had just come to sit at my table when the manager comes back with two Washington, D.C. police officers and says, you need to leave the establishment.
I am denying you service.
dan friesen
So before we get any further, I want to play this.
Because I think it's important.
This confirms that Jack Posobiec did in fact order a garlic knot.
unidentified
I'm going to try this Zahadi with the pepperoni and jalapeno.
That's a good one.
And then we get the garlic knot soup.
dan friesen
So he did.
That part's not a lie.
unidentified
That's...
jordan holmes
Okay.
Thank you, Dan.
dan friesen
As far as I can tell, everything else is a lie.
But he did order a garlic knot.
jordan holmes
You wanted to make sure that everybody knew.
dan friesen
I like to be more fair than not fair.
And in this case, right on.
jordan holmes
Confirmed.
dan friesen
Right on with that order.
So, that's how he tells the story when he's on it.
jordan holmes
I think that, I mean, that obviously means if he ordered a garlic knot, he's part of a gay sex cult.
dan friesen
It's probably a code.
jordan holmes
He's on their email blast.
Absolutely.
dan friesen
It's garlic knotty.
So, what are you thinking at this point?
Like, what do you think?
You heard how he described what happened.
Do you think that's the story?
unidentified
Um...
jordan holmes
Well, we do know that he ordered a garlic knot.
dan friesen
That's true.
jordan holmes
So I'm gonna have to give him the benefit of the doubt here.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Bob Barker?
Give me one dollar.
dan friesen
So, at this point, he is sitting at a table with his friend.
And he's starting to freak out.
He's starting to crack under the spy pressure.
unidentified
That's the guy from before.
He's on the phone.
jack posobiec
That's the guy I was talking to before.
dan friesen
He was on the phone.
jordan holmes
No, no, he's on the phone.
jack posobiec
The guy I was talking to before.
unidentified
Do you guys want anything to drink?
Do you start off with a second?
jack posobiec
Yeah, I got to get that.
Can you take that, please?
unidentified
You guys have a tap?
You have a new video from right here.
You just changed this one.
And then you have to...
I got a turn.
I'll work it out.
Sorry.
DC Bros.
Good.
Is that good?
Yeah.
I think we're burned.
dan friesen
I think we're burned.
jordan holmes
What kind of bullshit little child's fantasy is he living right now?
dan friesen
It's a good one.
jordan holmes
He was actually in the army?
dan friesen
Yeah.
Apparently.
I don't know.
jordan holmes
Wow!
dan friesen
Apparently.
jordan holmes
Our army is not...
I am not as confident in them as I once was.
dan friesen
But here's the part that's really fucked up, is, like, these kind of publicity stunts have been incredibly effective in terms of making him a celebrity.
jordan holmes
I mean, Ghost Hunters is a big show.
dan friesen
But he's reasonably, like, important in the alt-right.
He is a prominent figure in alt-right media.
jordan holmes
How are we being defeated by such stupid people?
dan friesen
We're not being defeated by them.
jordan holmes
We've already been defeated.
unidentified
We win.
jordan holmes
We didn't win.
dan friesen
No, we've already won.
jordan holmes
Look at the world we're in right now.
dan friesen
You and I are not at a pizza place freaking out that we've been burned.
jordan holmes
Okay, that's true.
unidentified
We win.
jordan holmes
That's true.
That's true.
We have not been burned yet by any pizza place.
dan friesen
Jack has decided that he's burned.
Yes.
jordan holmes
He's burned.
dan friesen
I love that he's like, we've been burned.
And then immediately the waitress comes up.
It's a normal order.
I'd like a Diet Coke.
jordan holmes
I feel like we've been burned.
Can I get a Diet Coke?
No, we only have Pepsi.
Globalists!
dan friesen
She probably heard him say, we've been burned.
At this point, they've already behaved super weird in this place.
To the point where I used to manage a movie theater.
If someone was acting like this in my theater, I would either ignore them or I would throw them the fuck out.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
It depends on the circumstances.
And if I was, let's say, in a movie theater that was the center of spurious rumors about a satanic pedophilic murder cult, I'd probably kick them out.
jordan holmes
With a lunatic periscoping and narrating the entire time?
dan friesen
Probably kick them out.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
I think that's the reasonable thing to do.
jordan holmes
They could not more obviously have negative intent than if they were like...
Two kids standing on top of each other wearing a trench coat.
It could not be a more obvious fake deception.
dan friesen
So they've decided, or Jack at least has decided, I don't know what his friend thinks on the matter, but he's decided he's been burned.
jordan holmes
His friend just really wanted to get some good pizza.
dan friesen
He's been there before.
jordan holmes
He likes that place.
dan friesen
He knows it's good.
jordan holmes
Hey, this is a good place, man!
dan friesen
So about a minute goes by of nothing.
I cut that out.
But then, after they've been burned, this happens.
jordan holmes
The manager and two DC cops say, I am denying you service.
dan friesen
No, that doesn't happen.
What happens is the waiter comes over and gets their order.
unidentified
How's the Steel Wills?
So, as far as vegetarian pizzas go, it's not my favorite number one.
Is it super popular?
jordan holmes
No, I'm not.
unidentified
I'm just...
jordan holmes
Why didn't the alt-right pick up on that?
Vegetarian pizzas?
unidentified
No, thank you.
So, it's good.
Oh, blessed.
Personally, it's not my favorite uses, but I think it's really good.
jordan holmes
So, what are you going to do?
unidentified
I mean, the Steel Wills isn't super popular pizza.
dan friesen
So he's just getting an in-depth pizza recommendation after, we've been burned, we've been burned.
The guy comes over, the waiter comes over, and he's like, even goes to the extent of saying, it's not my favorite use of spinach.
It's a really popular pizza.
It's so fucking stupid.
Yeah.
jordan holmes
It's really not my favorite use of spinach.
I want a special report on Jack Posobiec's favorite uses of spinach.
dan friesen
That's the waiter saying that.
jordan holmes
Oh, the waiter is saying that.
dan friesen
Yeah, the waiter is discussing this pizza that's very popular, and there's better uses of spinach.
Anyway.
jordan holmes
So the waiter's just...
dan friesen
Doing his job.
He's being very friendly and very helpful.
And that's the kind of thing that really annoys waiters a lot of the time.
Is that, like, really in-depth, like, well, what do you get?
What do you like?
What would you rec-o?
And, yeah.
So, I don't know.
jordan holmes
Alright, so we're on zero evil so far.
I don't even get any bad vibes from this.
dan friesen
Bad vibes.
jordan holmes
I get really bad vibes from those two.
dan friesen
Yeah, super bad vibes.
jordan holmes
That's creepy!
dan friesen
Here's where we get worse vibes.
Where?
It's been shown through his Twitter account.
If you go look through Jack Posobiec's Twitter account, seems to have an undue interest in Russia.
Seems to have a lot of interest in reporting Russian embassy news.
There have been a number of times that he has reported things that are not very important but have to do with the Russian embassy.
He has reported from the Russian embassy.
I'm not saying anything.
I'm just saying.
You know what I'm saying?
jordan holmes
I do know what you're saying.
dan friesen
It's weird.
And if you want to get worse vibes, here, again, haven't been kicked out yet, he and his friend get a drink, and this is how they cheers each other.
jordan holmes
Oh, God, I don't want to hear this.
This has to be insane.
unidentified
Cheers.
jordan holmes
That's not unusual.
I've done that before.
I'm fine with that.
I'm fine with that.
dan friesen
Nope.
jordan holmes
I'm fine with it.
dan friesen
Nope.
jordan holmes
I've said it a bunch.
dan friesen
No, you haven't.
jordan holmes
I have, actually.
dan friesen
Not in my company, you haven't, because I know we called you a goddamn red.
jordan holmes
God damn it, McCarthy.
dan friesen
Listen, it's nothing damning.
jordan holmes
This whole thing is a witch hunt.
dan friesen
It's nothing damning, but in the context, it's interesting.
jordan holmes
I'm going to let that one go.
I'm going to let that one go.
dan friesen
I'm not letting it go.
I'm building a case, baby.
jordan holmes
I think you're being a little bit paranoid with that one.
dan friesen
I'm not being paranoid, but I will say I'm making a mountain out of a molehill.
unidentified
Yes.
dan friesen
I agree with that.
jordan holmes
That I'm going to go with you're crazy on.
dan friesen
But it actually is...
I leave it in really more to illustrate the fact that they have...
jordan holmes
You're as crazy as their bathroom.
dan friesen
But look, they've gotten pizza recommendations.
They've ordered a garlic knot.
They've now gotten a drink and are cheersing each other, having a drink.
And they're also, I should say...
He's picking up the camera and moving it around.
He's clearly broadcasting out of there.
Anybody who was watching him would know what he's doing.
He's not being discreet at all.
The camera is out of his pocket.
It's either sitting on the table with a light so he can be seen on the camera because it's dark in Comet Ping Pong.
So there's a spotlight on him.
It's ridiculous.
So then here he has turned off the...
jordan holmes
He is a very bad spy.
dan friesen
Totally.
So he's turned off the recording, and then it comes back on with this.
And it starts up really quick, so pay attention.
jack posobiec
I turned it off.
unidentified
I understand that to you, this is maybe like a game, but considering that I myself and my staff receive death threats many times a day...
jack posobiec
It's not a game, it's not anything...
unidentified
This ain't no motherfucking game!
I can't control what somebody posts on the internet, what someone comments.
I mean, when you post it on the internet, you do.
And you're filming now.
jack posobiec
You're throwing me out.
unidentified
At the point that this started, I had turned it off.
He's denying you service, he wants you to leave the app.
jack posobiec
He asked me to turn it off when I turned it off.
unidentified
But he's denying you service, he wants you to leave the app.
jack posobiec
So why specifically?
unidentified
Thank you.
dan friesen
I've already explained this, sir.
You don't have to explain anything.
Why don't you go to the bathroom, sir?
jack posobiec
Okay, so we're good?
jordan holmes
We're good for the...
unidentified
Okay.
jack posobiec
Alright, we're gonna head up.
unidentified
I'm fully compliant, just trying to find out what's going on.
jordan holmes
Also, can I get that car laptop to go?
unidentified
I mean, you guys are already proud of me, but...
jack posobiec
Did she want to add something?
I thought you had something to say to me.
unidentified
Okay.
dan friesen
So, that's the manager kicking him out and an off-duty cop.
jordan holmes
I don't know.
unidentified
I didn't have much to say, but maybe don't be a fucking dick.
dan friesen
That's not a bad thing to say to Jack Posobiec.
jordan holmes
I want some vegetarian pizza, man.
Why are you going to be a dick about it?
dan friesen
So they get thrown out.
The manager explains very clearly, me and my staff have been getting death threats.
You think this is a game.
And Jack's like, I don't think this is a game.
I broadcast all my dinners.
jordan holmes
I can't control what is on the internet?
dan friesen
Yeah, that's what the manager comes back with.
jordan holmes
I broadcast all my dinners.
dan friesen
That's what the manager comes back with is, are you reading the things that people are saying online?
And he's like, I can't control that.
You're feeding into it.
The manager knows it.
And your childish game of, oh, no, that's not me.
The manager's not having any of that bullshit because you are putting people's lives in danger.
jordan holmes
That's the little brother like, I'm not touching you.
I'm not touching you.
Like, fucking grow the fuck up.
dan friesen
Yeah, but that's his version of journalism.
So he gets kicked out, and then him and his buddy go out in the street, and I cut all this shit out because it's all just like, oh, my God.
They kicked us out.
They kicked us out.
unidentified
Oh!
dan friesen
Buh!
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
It's nothing.
At this point, it's clear.
It appears he's more fucked up than he was.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Like, I don't think...
I don't know.
I don't know what was going on, but he's on some sort of substance.
I think he was probably high.
But anyway, we've now heard...
jordan holmes
That would help explain his really poor spying.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So we've now heard the entirety of his time in Common Ping Pong Pizza.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
We've heard him talk to himself and narrate his time there.
We've heard him make a big deal out of the foosball table, and then once someone brings him the ball, just walks completely away from it.
We've illustrated that he is having a bright light on himself and filming around the place while he waits for food.
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
He's given a Russian cheers, which you don't think is a big deal, but I'm going to hang my hat on.
jordan holmes
Still not going to say it's a big deal.
dan friesen
So now he closes out his interview with Owen Schroyer, and here it goes.
owen shroyer
And was there anything that you did specifically that would have made them want to deny you service?
jack posobiec
Absolutely not.
He said that he found my Periscope and said, you're live streaming from inside here.
dan friesen
He didn't.
The manager didn't say that.
unidentified
Nope.
jack posobiec
And I'm not allowing that to deny you service.
All I had told the Periscope was dinner at Comet Pizza.
I didn't say, you know, Pizzagate.
I didn't say any of the allegations.
I said dinner at Comet Pizza.
The kind of way you would say, you know, lots of people take pictures and put it on Snapchat, Instagram, that sort of thing.
And there are a lot of people around me with smartphones.
But for some reason, this guy was completely keyed in.
And honestly, I think he'd been tipped off.
owen shroyer
Yeah, I mean, that's what it would sound like, especially when they've got all kinds of stuff going on on their social media, all kinds of weird pictures.
I mean, we've seen the type of weird pictures that have been associated with this place.
Just final question on your experience there before I move on to the next topic.
unidentified
Did you see any of that weird artwork?
jack posobiec
Oh, yeah, absolutely.
Just even as you first walk in, you see this weird sort of demonic artwork just to the inside of the front door.
And then as you're walking back, you can see this face that's just kind of on the wall above one of the tables.
And it looks like this sort of some sort of cross between a zombie and like the exorcist.
you know, the girl in The Exorcist, Linda Blair's character, and it's just freaky.
Then, as we walk back a little further, the wall looked like it had been recently stripped.
So there's a possibility that they may have actually taken some of those paintings down.
jordan holmes
Pizzagate, it has been trending on Twitter.
unidentified
Certainly some weird stuff there.
owen shroyer
We'll see if that trend continues and some of the weirdness that just citizens are reporting on and breaking on social media.
unidentified
We'll see if that catches any ground.
jordan holmes
Hang that picture, Rappaport.
dan friesen
Yeah, seriously.
jordan holmes
You know what's the most suspicious?
dan friesen
Rappaport?
jordan holmes
I think Rappaport took those pictures down from Pizzagate!
He's taking pictures down all across this land!
He's an evil picture elf!
dan friesen
If Posobiec was any kind of reporter, he would have looked on the ground next to where the picture should have been.
jordan holmes
Oh, were they on the ground?
dan friesen
No, but then we would have confirmation of the Rappaport elf.
jordan holmes
That it was Rappaport?
dan friesen
Yeah, Rappaport elf.
Hashtag Rappaport Elf.
jordan holmes
I remember when I was a kid, right around Christmas, my mom would be like, watch out for that Rappaport Elf on the shelf right there.
dan friesen
You gotta leave your wooden shoes out.
Rappaport will leave a picture in it.
So, like, okay.
unidentified
Be careful, you'll get a lump of painting in your stocking.
dan friesen
We've got nothing.
jordan holmes
Absolutely nothing.
dan friesen
He has nothing, but he does still go on Infowars and do this interview in order to cast aspersions and insinuate all this stuff.
jordan holmes
This is truly fucking...
dan friesen
Propaganda.
jordan holmes
It's awful.
That's purely lying.
How can he not know that they're lying?
And the fact that Owen Troyer...
dan friesen
Oh, they do know.
jordan holmes
Owen Troyer just goes along with this like he...
dan friesen
Of course.
They do know they're lying.
jordan holmes
This is fucking insane.
dan friesen
They 100% know they're lying.
They don't care.
jordan holmes
They don't care?
dan friesen
I don't think, first of all, I don't think Owen's seen the periscope because it's long and boring.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And he doesn't do background.
Are you kidding me?
So he's just going along with it and, like, assuming that Jack Posobiec is a reliable source, maybe.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Posobiec knows he's lying.
He knows that he's lucked into this alt-right fame.
It doesn't matter if you tell the truth.
Who gives a shit?
Reality is malleable.
It's what Milo used to always argue.
We're in a post-facts world.
It just doesn't matter.
jordan holmes
Yeah, but that's bad.
dan friesen
Oh, it's real bad.
unidentified
Why doesn't it matter to these people?
jordan holmes
Is it just...
Because it seems like with Posobiec, it is just attention.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
It's just attention.
They just like attention.
These people are sociopaths.
dan friesen
And seeing your narrative...
Seeing people believe your narrative, I think there's a trolling aspect of it that they would never cop to.
jordan holmes
Well, you know, I will say this.
Maybe it's more just addiction.
dan friesen
It could be.
jordan holmes
Because I think, well, whenever you get a like on Facebook or on Twitter, there is that same kind of dopamine influx.
unidentified
True.
jordan holmes
So all of this attention, maybe they are just really getting off on it.
And so they're just doing whatever they can to get more retweets and more likes and to get more people giving them this dopamine rush.
dan friesen
Yeah, it could be like a propaganda version of this new internet addiction that we've experienced and we've seen.
It's possible.
That theory is as good as anything.
jordan holmes
Because there's no possible reason that...
Because they can't...
I don't believe in any of this shit.
dan friesen
In his dark moments, he knows he's a liar.
There's no doubt in my mind about it.
I've watched tons of videos of him, and he knows.
jordan holmes
He knows.
dan friesen
Yeah, yeah.
But in the same way that a frat boy doesn't really give a shit that his whole existence is kind of based on hating women, in the same way that they don't really care, he doesn't really care that he's a liar.
He's making money.
He's the Washington, D.C. chief for rebel media.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Now, he's like...
I don't know if this is true, but it's being reported that he has White House credentials now.
jordan holmes
He does.
He was credentialed.
dan friesen
But I didn't see confirmation of that.
I just knew he was at the White House press briefing.
jordan holmes
Okay.
Well, you have to have credentials to get in there.
dan friesen
You can get day credentials.
It doesn't mean you have across-the-board credentials.
unidentified
Okay.
dan friesen
Mike Cernovich was there for a day.
He doesn't have a pass or anything like that.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right.
dan friesen
But my point is...
That people like this who have no regard for the truth and just want to insinuate things, much like with the Macron shit, he's just insinuating things.
Oh yeah, he's with his wife because she drugged him and now he's a puppet.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that makes sense.
dan friesen
All this stuff that you can't prove and you don't know, it doesn't matter.
He's never going to walk back this Pizzagate stuff.
He's never going to walk back the Macron stuff.
It doesn't matter.
It just makes him more famous.
It's fucked up.
unidentified
And he is in the White House.
dan friesen
He goes to the White House.
Because our lives are fucked.
jordan holmes
I want to go to the White House.
dan friesen
I don't, not anymore.
jordan holmes
Oh, I do.
I want to pee on something in the White House now.
dan friesen
That'd be kind of fun.
jordan holmes
I want to pee on something in the White House.
dan friesen
I do, too.
jordan holmes
It doesn't mean anything.
dan friesen
I do, but I do, too.
jordan holmes
The White House is meaningless.
Our Constitution is meaningless.
The Congress, if it was worth a shit, it would have already done everything it can to investigate all of this shit.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Instead of blocking the investigation at every possible turn.
All they fucking want is tax cuts.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Why won't you?
Why?
dan friesen
I think it's actually deeper than that.
unidentified
You think so?
dan friesen
Yeah, but let's not speculate.
jordan holmes
Gay sex ring?
dan friesen
We're not fucking.
Gay sex ring.
jordan holmes
You heard it here first.
unidentified
Bingo!
jordan holmes
There we go.
This is what we need to do.
We need to be more sensational.
dan friesen
Maybe.
jordan holmes
We need to lie our balls off and that way it wouldn't even fucking matter.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Because why would we hold ourselves to a higher standard when the world is clearly fucking ending?
dan friesen
Because what does it benefit a man to gain the world if he loses his soul, Jordan?
unidentified
Shakespeare.
I mean...
I mean, it's worked out pretty well for Alex Jones.
dan friesen
I had everyone we talked about.
jordan holmes
Yeah, exactly.
dan friesen
So I want to take a step back.
jordan holmes
They're all doing better than we are.
dan friesen
I just want to take a step back to encapsulate that last piece that he had with Owen.
That last thing, like, legitimately, he's got nothing.
All this stuff, the like, oh, everyone was creepy there.
No, they weren't.
I saw the Periscope, we heard them, they were just service industry people.
They didn't know what foosball was.
The girl started three days ago.
I don't care that she didn't know what foosball is.
That's very believable.
That's nothing at all.
They treated you weird.
You were weird.
You were weird.
jordan holmes
You deserved exactly the weird treatment you got.
dan friesen
They gave you very polite pizza recommendations.
Your lie is about kids scampering around behind curtains is not true.
It's not in the periscope.
So what we come to at the end is the only thing that is maybe defensible.
And you can't tell from the periscope because it's shot terribly.
And it's dark.
But there's a possibility that there's weird art in there.
Right?
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Like a lot of cool places.
dan friesen
Right.
Now, I want to say first, who gives a shit?
But second, if that's the only real thing in your argument, you are the most PC fucking pile of shit in the world.
jordan holmes
That's a good point.
dan friesen
If your argument that you can hang your hat on against this pizza place...
unidentified
Yeah, there's weird art.
dan friesen
Okay.
jordan holmes
There's weird art.
dan friesen
Okay.
You want to censor their art?
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Okay, great.
jordan holmes
Let's do it.
unidentified
All right, enjoy.
jordan holmes
Every picture.
dan friesen
All right.
jordan holmes
Every picture belongs on the rapper floor.
dan friesen
No, but really, I mean, that is really what's going on.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
We don't approve of their art.
jordan holmes
Also, we don't even know what their definition of weird art is.
dan friesen
It's satanic.
jordan holmes
Yeah, but...
dan friesen
But that's meaningless.
jordan holmes
Fucking...
dan friesen
It's all meaningless.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
It's all meaningless based on...
jordan holmes
They said Kiss was satanic and Jimi Hendrix was satanic.
unidentified
Well, Kiss was.
dan friesen
They were knights in Satan service.
unidentified
They were.
jordan holmes
That makes perfect sense.
dan friesen
But, so, here we go.
I mean, that's, I feel, personally, all you really need to know about Jack Posobiec.
jordan holmes
Yeah, pretty much.
dan friesen
In the middle of the Pizzagate controversy, in quotes, he went to Comet Ping Pong, made a very misleading Periscope video about it, And
he doesn't even give a shit.
Well, because like I said, he's going to come up again.
He clearly has some sort of a connection to the nationalist movement that's going on.
Absolutely.
unidentified
Otherwise, he would not have had pre-advance knowledge.
dan friesen
He wouldn't have had it.
It's so fucking blatant.
jordan holmes
Because he didn't even bother to take down his own video that is in complete opposition to what it is he's saying in the interview.
Like, why wouldn't you even bother?
Can't you hide your tracks any better than...
unidentified
Why are we losing to such stupid people?
dan friesen
You know why?
It's because it's what we keep coming back to.
It's the battle of the second step.
And they always will win.
No one looks into things.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Anyway, this is a shorter episode today.
jordan holmes
Due to depression.
dan friesen
Well, yeah.
I mean, I couldn't get it together.
But we'll be back soon.
jordan holmes
If I was gonna take a summation from this episode, it would be that there is absolutely...
unidentified
Like, they just...
jordan holmes
They're just sociopaths.
They're complete and utter sociopaths.
They don't care who they hurt.
They don't care about anything but themselves.
They don't care about each other.
They just want to get as much attention for themselves as possible.
dan friesen
They probably don't even care about the globalists.
They probably know that that's fake.
jordan holmes
No.
Well, I mean, even in that Alex Jones profile, whenever they're talking about the interviews from other people who've worked with him, it's just a medium to sell pills.
dan friesen
Oh yeah, speaking of which, I tweeted about this yesterday, but you should check out that New Yorker article, or New York Magazine article about Alex Jones.
It talks about the sort of financial stuff in his business.
And it's really interesting because basically they're just laying out shit that we laid out in one of our first episodes.
We scooped the New York Magazine by like four months.
jordan holmes
It's really interesting because we're better at it.
dan friesen
Well, they uncovered that it doesn't cost anything for people to play Alex's shows, to syndicate his shows.
jordan holmes
They uncovered that?
dan friesen
Could have found that out by listening to your number one Alex Jones information source knowledge fight.
We don't dwell on the bullshit, just the real uncut.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
unidentified
I don't know.
jordan holmes
We should get interviewed a lot more.
Totally.
dan friesen
Hit us up, New York mag.
Anyway.
jordan holmes
Guys, if you want to email us...
dan friesen
New York Magazine?
Looking at you.
jordan holmes
It is knowledgefight at gmail.com.
dan friesen
Knowledgefight.com is our website.
jordan holmes
If you want to follow us on Twitter...
dan friesen
Or if you want to send me a DM, Jack Posobiec, because I know you're listening.
jordan holmes
It is knowledge underscore fight.
dan friesen
Hit me up, baby.
jordan holmes
If you want to download the podcast...
dan friesen
You can do that.
jordan holmes
You can go to iTunes.
dan friesen
Yep.
jordan holmes
You can share it on all kinds of different social media platforms.
dan friesen
That would be great.
And if you would like to become a policy wonk, we have a donate button on our website.
Support the show.
You can become a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
If you would like to request a time travel episode, which if Alex Jones continues to be disoriented and frankly, as I think you've described it as...
Kind of boring.
dan friesen
It's been pretty boring.
jordan holmes
Right?
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
So if he continues to pull this shit, we're going to keep doing some time travel episodes until he hits that...
dan friesen
Time traveling and dirty dossiers.
So, yeah.
jordan holmes
Alex probably likes being peed on.
unidentified
Probably.
Yeah.
jordan holmes
I would give him that.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Or he likes peeing on people.
dan friesen
Also, my mom just emailed me an article from the Austin Statesman, or the Austin Chronicle, and apparently his ex-wife, Alex Jones' ex-wife...
Has, in a press conference, said, I will come on your show and talk about our custody trial.
unidentified
What?
jordan holmes
On Alex Jones' show?
dan friesen
She said she would do it.
There's no way.
jordan holmes
Fuck yes!
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Please!
unidentified
Yep.
jordan holmes
That sounds like something Alex is just crazy enough to...
I give it a 50-50 shot.
dan friesen
I give it a zero.
jordan holmes
50-50 shot.
dan friesen
No way.
Because he can't pull the same tricks with her.
You know how the people around you, you can't act really around them?
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Sometimes you get really insecure because they know what's underneath.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
She's seen him in his intimate moments.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
She knows who he is.
He can't pull that character shit on him.
Should be able to call it out.
There's no way he'd let her on the show.
jordan holmes
God, I want to hear some of that good stuff, though.
dan friesen
I want it so bad.
jordan holmes
I want to hear some of that good stuff.
dan friesen
Hey, Alex, stop being a fucking coward and have your ex-wife on the show.
jordan holmes
Hey, Alex Jones' ex-wife, fucking come on our show.
dan friesen
We will absolutely...
jordan holmes
Oh, are you kidding me?
You're on in an instant.
dan friesen
Yeah, well, you're an honorary policy wonk.
unidentified
Come on.
dan friesen
Anyway, this has been fun, Jordan.
I'm sorry that the world is the way it is, but it is.
jordan holmes
We're going to survive it.
dan friesen
Yep.
jordan holmes
Or we won't.
dan friesen
Yeah, either way.
jordan holmes
It's too late now.
dan friesen
Get a bunch of water and canned food, people.
It's time.
jordan holmes
I recommend everybody travel.
Travel is a good idea.
See the world while you can still see the world.
dan friesen
One-way ticket travel.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Get out.
jordan holmes
Easter Island, if you donate one million dollars or more for our Patreon, we will move to Easter Island and continue doing this podcast.
dan friesen
From the relative safety of giant heads.
I assume we'd live inside one.
jordan holmes
Oh, we'll hollow one out like an igloo.
dan friesen
Right, right.
Or that old lady who lives in a shoe.
jordan holmes
All right.
dan friesen
Anyway, this has been fun.
jordan holmes
Yes, absolutely.
Guys, for everybody who's donated...
You're Policy Wonks.
dan friesen
Damn right you are.
jordan holmes
And we're happy to join you because we, too, are a couple of Policy Wonks.
dan friesen
We Wonks!
alex jones
Andy in Kansas, you're on the air.
Thanks for holding.
jordan holmes
Hello, Alex.
unidentified
I'm a first-time caller.
I'm a huge fan.
I love your work.
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