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March 20, 2017 - Knowledge Fight
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#23: March 16-17, 2017

Today, Dan tells Jordan all about what happened during the last hour of the March 16th episode and the entire March 17th episode of The Alex Jones Show. Topics include: Which late nite host is a secret patriot? Has Alex ever read an actual article that he discusses on air? Is it actually good that Trump disrespected Merkel? Can Dan and Jordan survive a 3 hour podcast while both kind of sick?

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alex jones
40:19
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dan friesen
01:13:02
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jordan holmes
01:00:35
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mark dice
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Speaker Time Text
alex jones
Andy in Kansas, you're on the air.
Thanks for holding.
unidentified
Hello, Alex.
jordan holmes
I'm a first time caller.
unidentified
I'm a huge fan.
I love your work.
alex jones
I love you.
dan friesen
Hey everybody, welcome back to Knowledge Fight.
I'm Dan.
jordan holmes
I'm Jordan!
dan friesen
We're a couple of dudes who like to sit around and drink wine.
Red wine.
Specifically red wine.
jordan holmes
Today we're drinking caricature.
dan friesen
Because Alex Jones is a caricature of a man who cares about anybody else.
jordan holmes
Yep, we are on the nose.
That's what we like to call this podcast.
dan friesen
Very much so.
And today we're going to be taking, as we always do, an adventure through Alex Jones and InfoWars.
I'm a guy who listens to a ton of InfoWars, and Alex Jones in particular.
jordan holmes
I don't listen to any of it.
Personally, it's not my thing.
dan friesen
See, that's why I've got to find all these clips, play them for you, and then we can discuss them to our hearts can tell.
We are both a little bit unhealthy at the moment.
jordan holmes
Oh, we're dying.
dan friesen
Two episodes back I said I haven't been sick in like a year.
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
And I used that as an argument against a vaccine.
jordan holmes
There it was.
dan friesen
And now I have a pretty bad sore throat.
jordan holmes
I have never had an allergy in my life.
I have just had an allergic reaction and my eyes are swollen up to twice their size.
dan friesen
If there's ever proof of the globalists.
This is it.
jordan holmes
I think we have polonium poisoning.
dan friesen
I think we might have been poisoned with polonium.
jordan holmes
Oh, shit!
Roger Stone is everywhere!
dan friesen
Also, I'm not sure if we covered this on our last show, but I believe since we recorded last, Roger Stone is claiming that he was T-boned in a hit-and-run.
jordan holmes
That's right!
dan friesen
A second attempt on his life.
jordan holmes
Yeah, and there's ample amounts of evidence that...
Wait, no, there isn't?
Oh, okay.
dan friesen
There are some sketchy details about this hit-and-run situation.
jordan holmes
Such as the other car.
dan friesen
It's...
jordan holmes
Whether or not it exists?
dan friesen
There isn't one.
jordan holmes
Nope.
dan friesen
There's also an issue of the police report being filed like an hour and a half after the accident was supposed to have taken place.
jordan holmes
I mean, that's not too unusual, is it?
I don't know.
dan friesen
Yeah, who cares?
All I do know is that I don't believe Roger Stone with his polonium lie.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
I'm not sure I believe him on this one.
Anyway, we always...
jordan holmes
Now, was the car made of polonium?
dan friesen
See, now this is an interesting theory.
jordan holmes
This is where we go.
That way we just kill two birds, one stone.
Everything's one Roger stone.
unidentified
All right.
jordan holmes
All right, guys, I'm going to get out of here.
We had a good run on this podcast.
I think it's time for me to go.
dan friesen
After that pun, it's time for us to go to an out-of-context drop of Alex Jones.
alex jones
But it's just shrunken women with shrunken souls in a shrunken world with shrunken heads.
unidentified
I am the anti-shrunken.
jordan holmes
Didn't Led Zeppelin have a song about that?
dan friesen
Yeah, might as well have.
He's a woodland creature known as the anti-shrunken.
That was him.
Just to give some context to that, he was complaining about Angelina Jolie because she cares about humanitarian stuff.
Yeah, that makes perfect sense.
He was in the middle of a long rant about how, hey, your daddy's doing some good work.
He's probably really ashamed of you.
jordan holmes
Oh boy!
Great!
dan friesen
Jon Voight?
jordan holmes
I love how we gotta bring in your dad involved in this.
dan friesen
Well, I mean, they are both celebrities, so it's not like the most insulting or inappropriate thing in the world, but it's like, Jon Voight's a bad dude.
jordan holmes
Especially in the movie Anaconda.
He's a really bad dude.
dan friesen
He is very bad.
jordan holmes
He might even be bad enough to take on the president.
dan friesen
He might be.
You're obsessed with that.
So today, what we're going to do, Jordan, first of all, I want to get to an announcement.
We have a website now.
jordan holmes
We have a website!
dan friesen
We got a website going.
It's at knowledgefight.com.
I know we've joked about this in the past, but it's real now.
You can go there.
I have a documentated...
Documentated?
jordan holmes
You have documentated.
dan friesen
I've documented a number of Alex Jones' past lies, and the archive will build.
It'll grow from there.
We're starting a living biography of Alex Jones.
Find pieces of his life.
jordan holmes
Which is gonna be the best thing that we've ever done, really.
Just little snippets of Alex Jones telling his life story.
dan friesen
Absolutely.
jordan holmes
None of which is true.
dan friesen
And none of it'll match up.
Nope.
jordan holmes
It'll just be crazy.
dan friesen
But also, you can leave comments on episodes so we can get discussions going with folks.
I wanna try and build in a discussion board at some point, but that's...
I don't have the time for that right now.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
But for now, you can go in, you can leave comments on episodes, we can argue about stuff, I'd love it.
But anyway, let's get to the episode.
Today, We're mostly dealing with Friday, March 17th.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
And some fucked up stuff that happens on that show.
jordan holmes
Of course.
dan friesen
But first, I wanted to play a few clips from the 16th.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
From March 16th, that's Thursday, because Alex said a couple of things that were really stupid.
Out of character for him.
But it's worth it.
Then there's a call-in that needs to be discussed, and then he says something that proves why we're doing this show.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
So that's why we're going to start here with a little taste of the 16th.
jordan holmes
He says we don't have enough to do during the day, is what he says, right?
unidentified
More or less.
jordan holmes
We have too much time on our hands.
dan friesen
Dan and Jordan are bored!
What if that was the clip?
jordan holmes
That is exactly how that would go.
dan friesen
So here's the first clip from the 16th.
alex jones
I got a few more clips of the president I want to go to.
So many great epic speeches.
You're doing the right thing, getting back on the road, energizing the people's approval ratings, going up, up, up, up, up, up, even in their fake polls.
jordan holmes
No, they're not.
dan friesen
I want to address that for a second.
jordan holmes
Even their fake polls have them going down.
dan friesen
Yeah, I pulled up a collection of his current polls.
We're recording this on Sunday, and the most current numbers show, if you average, what is this, like, 12 of the most recent polls, his net approval is negative 6.6.
The Gallup poll has his net approval at negative 21. Good.
37% approval rating, 58 disapproval.
The highest that we have in the last...
Since...
I mean, all of these polls are basically up from March till current, like the beginning of March till current.
The highest is a Rasmussen report from the 14th through the 16th.
That's when the study was done.
And the approval rating is 48, and the disapproval rating is 52. That's unconscionable.
jordan holmes
That is negative 4. The idea that 48% of this country...
dan friesen
That's wild.
jordan holmes
That's just...
How?
I don't know.
Do you not have...
dan friesen
Jokesters.
jordan holmes
If you are a hermit living behind a giant rock that closes up your cave and you only get out once every four years to vote for the president, yeah, your approval rating of him is going to be great.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
Maybe that's who they sampled.
jordan holmes
But if you're alive, let's call it a human being with consciousness and awareness, there's no way you can read any day of the news and be like, I think he's doing a great job.
dan friesen
You can if you don't believe the news.
jordan holmes
Even if you support what he's doing, though, even if you support this whole Muslim ban and shit, like, there's no way you can look at that and be like, he's doing a good job implementing the Muslim ban.
dan friesen
This bad thing he wants to do, he's doing a bad job of setting up.
jordan holmes
He's doing a bad job of doing it.
You can agree with what he wants to do.
You have to admit, he's doing terrible at it.
dan friesen
Yeah, I totally agree.
And just to make Alex's point even worse, the only poll from the month of March that has him with net favorabilities is a USA Today poll, which, come on now.
jordan holmes
They're perfect.
dan friesen
Yeah, they're the paper that has little cartoony graphs on every front page.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
They have a plus three favorabilities, but still it's only 47% approving.
jordan holmes
God.
dan friesen
So...
jordan holmes
Again, so many people.
So many people.
dan friesen
It's crazy.
jordan holmes
Can you...
He's only been president for two months.
Doesn't this feel like he's been president for our entire lives at this point?
unidentified
It does.
dan friesen
It does, because everything changed.
jordan holmes
Every single day is like, how long is this guy going to be the fucking president?
dan friesen
Probably won't be too much longer now.
But anyway...
jordan holmes
That's a good point.
And we won't be people for too much longer at this point.
dan friesen
His numbers are going up, up, up, up, up.
jordan holmes
Uncontrollable.
alex jones
For example, you know, 15, 20 points more Democrats.
He's at 55, 56. That's...
jordan holmes
Perfect sense.
alex jones
65, 70. Whoa!
That's what they know.
He had such a landslide.
It was devastatingly big.
unidentified
There's no way.
dan friesen
There's no way.
There's literally no way.
jordan holmes
No possible way you can...
dan friesen
The real numbers are 70%.
Yeah.
Unbelievably untrue.
Just based on statistics, there's no way that's true.
jordan holmes
I don't think there's ever been a president with 70% ever.
Not once in American history.
Well, you know, in 2020, he's going to win 97% of the vote.
We all know this.
dan friesen
Well, I mean, that could actually be a legitimate number if the gerrymandering goes the way.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's a good point.
dan friesen
Anyway.
alex jones
I told you the polls were fake.
I told you they fixed the major polling companies.
But see, our sources didn't want you to know that.
And by the way, I didn't just have sources in Google.
Or sources in Facebook, or sources in Bloomberg.
You know only a select group of billionaires get access to those systems, and I have people that have access to it.
And so I was just given gestalt numbers.
unidentified
Gestalt.
alex jones
You notice it came true exactly as I said, because we're jacked in.
I mean, I'm jacked in.
In fact, most of the time I'm like, I don't even want to know this.
I shouldn't even know this.
Don't tell me.
No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
What?
unidentified
And it gets weirder and weirder.
alex jones
Let me tell you what the real upper class is.
It's people that are dialed into the real info.
dan friesen
Fair enough.
jordan holmes
That's the real upper class?
dan friesen
The billionaires have secret numbers that we don't know about.
jordan holmes
Well, I mean, they probably do have secret numbers that we don't know about.
I kind of agree with him there.
The billionaires have secret everything that we don't know about.
I like how he's just casually dropping like, Yeah, you know, I know a lot of billionaires.
No big deal.
dan friesen
I know people who have access to the billionaires.
That's more what he's saying, maybe.
jordan holmes
Not just Facebook.
Not just Google.
Although those sources apparently couldn't keep him on the ad roll.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
Not just those sources.
Uh-uh.
He's got people close to billionaires?
dan friesen
He has interns at Google, maybe, that he knows that call him on his telephone.
jordan holmes
He has interns at billionaire.
dan friesen
So here we go.
We're going to get to this next clip.
I'm going to cut one where he misrepresents what happened when the parties flipped in the 60s.
jordan holmes
How could you not misrepresent that if you're Alex Jones?
dan friesen
It's pointless to go over, but here he gets a phone call from a rapper.
jordan holmes
Is it Riff Raff?
dan friesen
It's not Riff Raff.
jordan holmes
It could be Riff Raff, though, right?
dan friesen
It's not anyone famous.
jordan holmes
No, of course not.
dan friesen
But Alex's response to this is amazing.
alex jones
Kay in Maryland, then Dustin, Dave, and DC.
Go ahead, Kay.
unidentified
Hey, it's Kay Blaze from Maryland.
I just want to make a comment on the whole MTV and Snoop Dogg thing.
I'm 33 now.
I probably wrote my first rap back when I was like 15, and I was inspired by Snoop.
Not because he was so awesome, but because he said some of the dumbest things that I ever heard in my life in his rap.
And I was like, if he could say all that stupid stuff, and he's all famous with all this, you know, glam around him.
alex jones
But you know, I've talked to a lot of the top rappers, you name it.
jordan holmes
I've talked to a lot of the top rappers.
dan friesen
You name it.
jordan holmes
You name it.
dan friesen
He says you name it when he's like, I can't come up with a lie.
jordan holmes
Q-Tip, has he talked to Q-Tip?
dan friesen
Probably not.
jordan holmes
Well, I mean, we gotta ask, has he talked to Kanye?
dan friesen
Literally the only rapper who I think would talk to Alex and get along with him is Vinny Pazienza, a.k.a.
Icon the Verbal Hologram.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
He's the rapper in Jedi Mind Tricks.
jordan holmes
Is he one of the top rappers?
I feel like he's not.
I don't think he's the top rapper.
dan friesen
He's pretty talented, but he also is a little bit of a conspiracy theorist.
Also a bigot.
He raps about beating up gay people a lot, which is...
jordan holmes
I wonder what he would talk about if...
He and Kanye would have an interesting conversation, right?
They wouldn't have a ship passing in the night.
They would have an interesting conversation.
I don't know if they would be having the same conversation with each other.
I feel like each of them would be waiting patiently to have their own conversation at the other person.
dan friesen
Yeah, yeah.
And I mean, like, if you go through the history, Alex Jones has, by degrees, hated and loved Kanye, depending on what he had most recently said about Trump.
jordan holmes
Which is what we all love about Kanye so much.
dan friesen
Sure, he's, you know, say what you want about him, he's...
jordan holmes
He's a genius, and he's mercurial, and he's possibly 100% insane.
dan friesen
Yeah, yeah.
So anyway, this call is great, because, I mean, we started off already, and we're still complaining about Snoop Dogg from that video.
unidentified
Yep, yep.
dan friesen
Which, I'm not here to defend Snoop Dogg.
I don't care.
You're fighting a ghost here.
unidentified
If...
jordan holmes
Actually, do you think he would fight a ghost?
unidentified
Alex?
jordan holmes
Let's say...
dan friesen
There's a ghost on Saturday Night Live.
jordan holmes
Let's say if somebody played a Tupac lyric and suddenly Alex is like, I think that one's about me.
dan friesen
Okay.
jordan holmes
How many days on the show is he going to go off on Tupac?
dan friesen
Probably six.
jordan holmes
Six days on the show?
dan friesen
Six at least.
That's about his attention span.
jordan holmes
Now, on the website, we're going to have to pour through every Tupac lyric and see if we can't vaguely apply something to Alex Jones.
dan friesen
Oh, man, what was that song?
That song from Mama?
That was probably about Alex?
jordan holmes
Oh, the one that's called I Hate Alex Jones from InfoWars?
dan friesen
Yeah, that was on the Machiavelli album.
jordan holmes
That's a great one.
Love that track.
alex jones
I mean, those famous founders of it.
On purpose, there's great empowering rap and hip-hop.
They don't let it get on the charts.
unidentified
Oh, well, it's coming.
I've got a new jam I just made called Trump Card, and hopefully I get the video for it made up this week or this weekend.
I'm just a normal guy with an eight-hour-a-day job cranking it out here for my fan.
But I woke all the way up once my son was like five months old.
I started looking into vaccines and all that, and it just blew the top, blew the whole crate of where the rabbit hole was.
alex jones
Well, let me say this.
Your phone's a little distorted.
Back off of it, but I'm going to give you some time here, Kay.
dan friesen
Now, I want to say a couple things.
jordan holmes
We've already dropped that we got a new track coming out.
Hopefully the video's going to be up.
Trump card.
dan friesen
That's not going anywhere.
jordan holmes
Nope.
dan friesen
No.
Now.
Alex is about to announce something he wants to do, which would be crazy.
jordan holmes
Oh, please.
Please tell me.
alex jones
In just a moment, just back off the phone, because I want to say this.
I was talking to Millie Weaver.
I've talked to Leanne McAdoo about this for years.
We've never had the crew, the staff.
Plus, when you start playing people's music, they're great.
They sign a deal.
All of a sudden, this happens almost every time the label comes after us, even though we help launch people.
We're not asking for anything.
But they think, like, we must be involved because we're helping launch something.
I have the audience.
Drudge has an even bigger audience to help launch patriotic country music, hip-hop, rap, rock, everything.
It's so good.
People submit it to us, but I just don't have the staff and people to get them to sign forms.
I mean, here's an example.
I've had Willie Nelson say, you can play this song.
jordan holmes
I want an InfoWars label.
unidentified
Come on.
alex jones
Drop that.
Drop it.
I play it.
Six months later, my YouTube gets shut down because the record company hits me.
I gotta go find a contract, have a lawyer call them.
Record company tells me no way.
But listen, I want to have a whole hour-long show every day bringing back good music.
jordan holmes
No.
alex jones
Not wanting any money on our side to literally launch this to win.
You are the secret weapon.
I've heard the best rap, hip-hop, hardcore stuff out there that understands the real paradigm that is so good.
But then we never have the time to deal with it, contact them, get it on.
So believe me, I need a few crew members.
I need the funding to set it up because I want to end up having a one or two hour show every day with talk radio that's like 80% music where we play everything.
And I think it's going to be a mega hit.
I just have to get the legal in place because believe me, believe me, I mean, Willie Nelson says, play this new song just for you.
dan friesen
I don't believe that.
jordan holmes
I don't believe that either.
dan friesen
But also, please make that show, Alex.
jordan holmes
Play this new song just for you.
unidentified
Please.
jordan holmes
Willie Nelson begged Alex Jones to play Willie Nelson's new track.
dan friesen
Please do this show, though, Alex.
jordan holmes
Yeah, no kidding.
dan friesen
That would be amazing.
But also...
jordan holmes
There's no chance in hell he gets anywhere near the legal rights to play any music on InfoWars.
dan friesen
How...
What legal rights do you need to play this guy's music who's just some weirdo?
jordan holmes
Okay, Blaze?
No, he's talking about...
Playing, like, mainstream old...
Country songs, basically.
dan friesen
Amarillo by Morning?
jordan holmes
Yeah, basically that country.
dan friesen
He already plays them his bumper music.
jordan holmes
Yeah, and now he wants two more hours.
He's playing all the songs he can play.
dan friesen
Look, it's not going to make...
jordan holmes
He's got five songs that people have grudgingly allowed him to play.
dan friesen
It's not going to make us money, except for all the Super Male Vitality ads we're going to do.
It's not going to make us any money.
jordan holmes
This isn't about money.
We're going to need the funding to do it, though.
dan friesen
We've got to fund the operation.
jordan holmes
We've got to fund the...
He needs a few more people on staff.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
Leanne Wackadoo doesn't have time to do this.
dan friesen
No way.
jordan holmes
She's busy!
dan friesen
She's doing something?
She's tanning?
I don't know.
jordan holmes
Oh, that's mean.
dan friesen
I know.
alex jones
Record company hits me a year later.
It just happens all the time.
And so, that's what happens.
But believe me, sir, absolutely is what we want to do.
So tell us about your new record, where people can find it online.
Because I want to find the really good stuff, like Joy Vila.
Take her from, you know, number 40,000 on the charts to number one.
dan friesen
Alex is claiming that he did that.
He didn't.
jordan holmes
He did what?
dan friesen
He's claiming that he has some responsibility for Joey Vila's success, or her record sales, and he didn't.
He didn't.
She came out at the Grammys in that Make America Great dress.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
It became a big meme and it became a big thing and she sold a ton of records.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
After the fact, Alex had her as a guest on the show.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Now he's trying to rewrite history that we featured her and tons of record sales came because of it.
We can launch careers.
Now, meanwhile, it's a couple weeks later.
I haven't heard piss about Joy Vila.
jordan holmes
Yeah, well, why would you?
dan friesen
Except from Alex Jones.
jordan holmes
Why was she on the Grammys?
Who is this?
dan friesen
I don't know.
I think she's a Latin star.
I don't know.
jordan holmes
Oh, okay.
dan friesen
Probably in a genre of music that we don't listen to much.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
I don't know.
jordan holmes
White supremacy genre.
dan friesen
How dare you?
alex jones
I didn't get a dime for that.
Yeah, you do listen to a lot of things.
The point is, this is a war.
I'm looking for the leaders.
I'm looking for people that have courage.
I don't care what color you are.
We're in this together, and this is it.
And we're going to sink, or we're going to swim together.
We're going to the stars together, or we're going to blow ourselves up together.
Doesn't mean we don't have problems, and people hadn't done stuff to each other, or whatever.
It doesn't matter.
We're living today.
unidentified
Wait.
jordan holmes
Where was that going?
dan friesen
He said, it doesn't matter what color we are.
We sink or swim together.
jordan holmes
Doesn't matter if we've had problems.
We don't need to talk about those.
dan friesen
At this point, Alex Jones very much thinks this guy is black.
jordan holmes
Oh, shit!
dan friesen
I looked him up.
jordan holmes
K-Blaze isn't black?
dan friesen
No.
jordan holmes
So Alex Jones assumes that every rapper is black.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
That's why he's giving a message of racial unity to this rapper who called in.
Anyway, hold on.
jordan holmes
Yeah, but he gives most of his message of racial unity to everyone but people who aren't white.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So let's finish up this clip and then I'll explain my research.
alex jones
And the enemies of freedom worldwide are against Trump because he's real!
Make no mistake about that!
He is not imaginary.
jordan holmes
This is a public service.
unidentified
No, laughing and crying, sweating, bleeding, marching, fighting, whatever.
You know, we're in it together.
We've got to rebuild this culture that's been crushed by all this garbage out here on TV and the media.
It's nuts.
But with the album that I just released, it was my first one, even though I've been rapping since I was 15, but I just carved out a linoleum stamp and manually stamped each little envelope and put my album in there, masked it up, and was handing it out.
Just handing them out.
Not charging nothing, just trying to get them...
alex jones
That's awesome.
What about digitally putting it out or putting it on YouTube?
I mean, what's the name of it?
How do folks find out?
unidentified
My YouTube name is Daffy Duck.
dan friesen
Let me say that that...
unidentified
That's not...
jordan holmes
K-Blaze, otherwise known as Daffy Duck on YouTube.
dan friesen
That's not a good YouTube name.
It's very hard to search.
jordan holmes
It's a bad YouTube name.
dan friesen
There's a lot of Daffy Ducks.
jordan holmes
There's quite...
I don't know if you know this or not, but...
He wasn't the first guy to think up that name.
dan friesen
Certainly wasn't.
jordan holmes
There was maybe a more popular Daffy Duck way back in the day.
dan friesen
I managed to find him, though.
jordan holmes
Did you?
dan friesen
He's a white guy with a big bushy beard without chops, without the sideburns.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
He looks really ridiculous.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
And on his YouTube channel, he has two videos of himself rapping in what appears to be like a service truck that he drives for a living.
And they're about 30, 45 seconds long, and they each have 16 hits.
Okay.
unidentified
So I waited two days after this episode came out.
jordan holmes
To see if more people...
dan friesen
Nothing.
unidentified
Nothing.
dan friesen
So the idea that...
jordan holmes
So Alex Jones did not launch this guy's career.
dan friesen
Did not.
Aw.
Is he any good?
Look, it's hard to tell from a 30-second clip.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
He wasn't offensively bad, but it wasn't interesting.
unidentified
Oh, okay.
dan friesen
So, I don't know.
jordan holmes
Well, you know, it's disappointing any time you can't add K-Blaze to the list of the greatest rappers of all time.
dan friesen
He's going to be on that music show that Alex launches, though?
jordan holmes
That's true.
dan friesen
I fucking want that show to happen.
jordan holmes
He will not be on.
Even if that show does happen, believe me, K-Blaze is not getting a return phone call.
dan friesen
Let me tell you this.
jordan holmes
What are you going to tell me?
dan friesen
K-Blaze is a patriot.
jordan holmes
K-Blaze is a patriot?
dan friesen
We learned that someone else is a patriot on this episode on Thursday, the 16th.
And I want you to know that this endorsement is going to ring out in the ears of the millennials around the country.
jordan holmes
Okay, we're going to find out somebody else is a patriot.
dan friesen
Is a secret patriot.
jordan holmes
A secret patriot.
Will we know the name?
dan friesen
Oh, yes.
jordan holmes
Okay.
Can I pre-guess?
Can I pre-guess?
No, no.
dan friesen
That might ruin it.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
You would never guess.
But this is somebody.
Who is universally respected at the top of his game.
jordan holmes
Oh, God.
dan friesen
Absolutely not someone who everyone hates.
jordan holmes
Oh, okay.
dan friesen
Let's just get to it.
jordan holmes
All right.
unidentified
I mean, you look at it.
alex jones
Nobody wants what YouTube's force feeding.
mark dice
Well, that's why they kicked Jay Leno off of the NBC Tonight Show.
unidentified
He was number one for almost 20 years.
jordan holmes
They replaced him with Jimmy Fallon.
alex jones
And that's because the guy's actually a libertarian patriot.
He's a great guy.
jordan holmes
He is a great guy.
Jay Leno.
unidentified
Because he went after everyone pretty equally.
alex jones
Jay Leno openly is an Americana guy.
jordan holmes
Jay Leno.
alex jones
And the execs didn't like him.
unidentified
Jay Leno.
alex jones
I don't know people that work on the show.
I don't know people that know Jay.
I'm going to leave it at that.
Jay is a patriot.
Jay's a listener.
I've been told six years ago.
Jay's a listener.
I'm going to stop.
I mean, hell, Jay plugged me 18 years ago on air.
unidentified
Go ahead.
jordan holmes
Jay Leno.
A million cars surrounding him is listening to goddamn InfoWars.
dan friesen
Would you want to, like, really reach the kids, and you want to be at the tip of the spear, you let them know.
jordan holmes
You gotta drop Jay Leno's name every now and then.
dan friesen
You want to let them know that this guy who seriously fucked over an icon of our comedy generation.
unidentified
Yep!
dan friesen
Is a patriot.
jordan holmes
One of the big influences on just about everybody who Jay Leno basically tried to destroy as much as possible.
dan friesen
Absolutely.
So anyway, this last clip is about Mark Dice.
jordan holmes
Jay Leno is a secret patriot.
dan friesen
Secret patriot.
jordan holmes
Did not see that coming.
dan friesen
Did not.
Could you have ever guessed that?
jordan holmes
I would never have guessed that.
I was going to stick with the music star.
I was thinking, like, because I could see Justin Bieber being a secret patriot.
He could totally be a secret patriot.
dan friesen
Maybe one of those tattoos that he has means something weird.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it's a white power tattoo.
He's probably got one.
dan friesen
It's possible.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
So, Mark Dice is a guest on this episode.
They have a little conversation about nothing.
jordan holmes
MD Clay.
dan friesen
But before this, Alex has a conversation where he's trying to amp him up and really give him a pep talk.
And this, I believe, whenever anyone asks, why do you want to do this show?
Why is Knowledge Fight something that's important?
And why am I going crazy trying to do it?
jordan holmes
And who is asking you these questions?
dan friesen
My therapist.
alex jones
Number one.
jordan holmes
And the imaginary voices in your head.
Those guys.
dan friesen
A couple people at work.
But this clip really spells out why I think it's important that we do this.
And push back a little bit on the bullshit.
jordan holmes
Okay.
alex jones
I told Paul five, six years ago, you're going to do weekly videos, you're going to come on, you're going to tweet, or I'm going to cut your pay in half.
And I pay Paul well, he deserves it.
He said, okay, Alex.
And I sent him the map.
He's better than I am on air.
Let's just admit it.
At least to many audiences.
Mark's as good as I am or better in many ways.
Okay, so I said, Mark, stop trying to have national TV shows.
You already have them.
They don't do anything.
I've done them too.
Be yourself.
You will dominate.
dan friesen
Alex has not done national TV shows.
jordan holmes
Mark!
Bubby!
Listen, you don't want the national TV!
You're too good for them!
dan friesen
I'm not certain that Mark Dice is at national TV shows either.
jordan holmes
You don't want him!
You don't want him, kid!
dan friesen
I'm not sure any of you.
jordan holmes
Baby, stick with me!
dan friesen
This fictitious history I don't think is real, but then also I love him sort of...
Complimenting and cucking out Paul Joseph Watson?
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Look, Paul is better than I am.
dan friesen
With some audiences.
jordan holmes
I told him, you don't fucking do anything I don't tell you to do.
Otherwise, I'm going to cut your goddamn pay in half.
unidentified
Paul!
dan friesen
I sent him the flag.
He always does his videos in front of a giant flag.
So anyway, here's where it gets worrisome.
jordan holmes
Wait.
Paul Joseph Watson does all of his videos in front of a giant American flag.
dan friesen
Not American flag.
It's a world flag.
Not flag.
I'm sorry.
Map.
It's just a big world map.
Oh, okay.
And he's in front of it and he's just talking, looking like he's going to cry.
Like, you have an allergic reaction going on with your eyes.
jordan holmes
Looks like him all the time.
dan friesen
He looks worse.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
But anyway, here's where it really sums up my feeling on what the future holds if we're not careful.
jordan holmes
Okay.
alex jones
I'm not bragging here.
Now I'm telling Mark.
Move to Texas.
Set you up good.
You can run your own awesome program.
You can share in the victory.
We need him.
Because I don't have the money or crew to set up in San Diego.
I need the best minds, and Mark Dice is one of them.
And I decided to go ahead and just say it on air.
There's total transparency here.
I can't even get Mark out here, though.
So I'll find out what you're going to lose, Mark, if you're coming out here in the next few weeks.
dan friesen
Keep in mind that...
jordan holmes
Wait, what is happening?
Is he having a...
Staffing discussion with himself on air right now?
dan friesen
He's not having it with himself because Mark Dice is silently on Skype.
jordan holmes
So Mark is watching as Alex basically describes his human resources report on Mark?
dan friesen
This is an employee review on air.
That's not the part that's troubling to me.
unidentified
That's just funny.
jordan holmes
That's just hilarious.
alex jones
Paul's coming here in a few weeks for two weeks.
You must come to the mothership.
I want you here.
Not to, like, be under my even command.
You're smart.
You don't say something you can get sued for.
The kind of guy I need is like an editor.
jordan holmes
Wait, what?
dan friesen
That slipped.
You don't say things you can get sued for.
Why would you need to be careful about getting sued if you weren't lying all the time?
alex jones
You know what I need?
dan friesen
I need someone who has a real grasp of slander.
Really knows the fine lines of libel.
jordan holmes
I like somebody who knows exactly where the line is and then where you can cross it without the government finally catching you.
I hope people aren't...
unidentified
Wait.
jordan holmes
I just said this on air, didn't I?
Mark!
Mark!
Get here now!
Mark!
dan friesen
I need a libel Sherpa.
Basically, he shouldn't be saying stuff like that on air.
jordan holmes
Help me climb the mountain of lies.
dan friesen
It makes it so transparent that his business is just barely not getting sued.
Barely not getting sued.
And if he was telling the truth and he had any documentation of the things he said, he wouldn't have to worry about getting sued.
If it's the truth and he can prove it, That's not libel or slander.
jordan holmes
Well, I mean, you know, after the whole gawker thing, who knows whether or not you can, you know.
dan friesen
Okay, if Alex Jones publishes someone's sex tape, then we can talk about that then.
jordan holmes
God, Alex Jones wants to publish somebody's sex tape so bad.
dan friesen
Oh man, if like a Pelosi sex tape came out.
jordan holmes
Alex Jones kind of wants to publish his sex tape.
dan friesen
I don't want to see that.
jordan holmes
You know he's got one though, right?
dan friesen
Probably.
jordan holmes
You know he's got one.
dan friesen
Probably.
jordan holmes
If you have Alex Jones' sex tape, send it to Peter Thiel.
unidentified
I don't give a shit.
dan friesen
I don't want any part of this.
jordan holmes
Sure you don't.
alex jones
I want to build a whole other mothership, see?
I want a big mothership factory.
Not that I'm in charge of one mothership that can blow that up.
I want to have a big mothership factory.
See, but I need somebody that can command a mothership.
There's only Drudge and Infowars and Breitbart.
The others aren't even motherships.
We need motherships.
We need command, attack, information, warfare, aircraft carriers.
You understand?
We need weapons platforms.
We need leaders.
I need you to join the info war, Mark Dice.
You've been a big part of it, but now's the time.
I know I'm ranting.
Go ahead.
dan friesen
So, I mean, what he's saying there, though, if we really break it down, is that we need more...
jordan holmes
He wants a media empire filled with liars.
dan friesen
We need more propaganda hubs.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
We need more people who are really gifted propagandists.
unidentified
Yeah, absolutely.
dan friesen
And you are really good at this, Mark Dice.
Please come.
We'll create another mothership.
This is the future if we...
Aren't careful.
jordan holmes
So when he says another mothership, do you think he's trying to...
Well, I mean, and he's already talked about doing an extra hour show.
Do you think he wants to turn himself into a 24-hour news...
dan friesen
Funny you should ask.
jordan holmes
Oh, no!
dan friesen
I don't have a clip of this, but recently he has been talking about starting to go on air at 5 a.m. and going through to 8 p.m.
And just broadcasting live on the internet from 5am to 8pm.
He's like, too much news is breaking.
We can't cover all this.
Meanwhile, you've got four hours a day and you don't cover anything.
jordan holmes
So he just wants a daily infomercial to try and sell more shit.
dan friesen
Exactly.
He wants more time where he can possibly be drawing eyes to it and sell these pills.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
And that's not a bad idea.
dan friesen
It's not.
jordan holmes
I mean, it's not like it's...
I mean, I don't know.
What would your overhead cost?
Why am I thinking about his business strategy here?
dan friesen
I don't know.
jordan holmes
Why am I suddenly like, well, I mean, you would only raise your overhead cost by, I would say, probably 40%.
You could put out 80% more content.
I think that's a very smart business decision.
dan friesen
I think he'd raise his overhead a lot more than that, at least in terms of manpower and stuff like that.
I don't know how the breakdown goes, but please, Alex, start broadcasting at 5 a.m.
unidentified
Please.
dan friesen
I would love it.
jordan holmes
Yeah, we want to see your spiral into madness accelerate beyond reason.
dan friesen
But to be fair, if he did it at 5am, he'd have the first three hours hosted by Paul Joseph Watson.
jordan holmes
Of course!
dan friesen
London.
jordan holmes
Of course.
dan friesen
But be that as it may, it's time to get to our main meet.
jordan holmes
Either way, we know that at the end of the first week of him broadcasting from 5 a.m. to 8 p.m., he's wearing a wife beater on screen.
dan friesen
Undoubtedly.
jordan holmes
We know this is happening.
His hair is in 30 different directions.
dan friesen
The banner ad.
jordan holmes
He's shouting racial slurs at cats.
dan friesen
The banner ad on InfoWars this week has been Alex with his shirt off.
For Super Male Vitality.
jordan holmes
For real?
dan friesen
Yeah.
So that's great.
But it's time.
jordan holmes
Not only.
Am I the founder?
I'm also a member.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
And like there's before and after pictures, his chest just looks hairier.
That's really all the difference I can tell.
jordan holmes
I could use more chest hair.
dan friesen
I couldn't.
jordan holmes
You couldn't?
dan friesen
No.
Literally could not.
Anyway.
jordan holmes
What if you needed to get stranded on a desert island?
You need to build a rope.
dan friesen
Or my radiator goes out.
jordan holmes
Your radiator?
dan friesen
It's a cold night in Chicago.
I need more chest hair.
jordan holmes
I was like, how do you fix a radiator with chest hair?
Is this some sort of YouTube video that I haven't seen?
dan friesen
It could be.
It's on Daffy Duck's channel.
So we've had our amuse-bouche of learning that Jay Leno is a patriot.
jordan holmes
Jay Leno.
dan friesen
We had our appetizer, which was a lesson in why I think...
This sort of show is important.
We have to counter propaganda that is going to spread.
It's going to only get worse for the foreseeable future.
And now it's time to get on to our main course, which is the jubilant insanity that happens on Friday, March 17th.
Now I want to say clearly, a couple of these clips are long.
We're going to have to play them.
I couldn't cut them.
There's no way to cut them.
So we're going to play them, and we can pause at any time.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
Because one of them is like ten minutes long, and one's like eight.
jordan holmes
Oh, man.
Those are long clips for us.
dan friesen
But he goes on these tangents that I need to have in context.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
It would be unfair otherwise.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
So anyway, he wants to start off this show by talking about immigrants and also make a little bit of a point about trans people.
jordan holmes
Oh, no.
alex jones
So here it is.
Judge considers ordering President Trump to double 50,000 refugees.
A demand by the judge that the federal government air buss in an extra 50,000 immigrants, including many adherents of Islam Sharia law, which says they'll overthrow our law, into American neighborhoods would be an unusual intervention into government roles normalcy.
That's a nice way of saying it, Breitbart.
jordan holmes
Yeah, thanks, Breitbart.
You guys are always on the ball there.
dan friesen
I mean, you're very impartial, very ethical journalism.
jordan holmes
I'm 100% positive none of that made any goddamn sense.
What was he talking about?
dan friesen
That a judge was going to order Trump to allow more refugees in?
jordan holmes
A judge was going to order, so he didn't.
dan friesen
Well, maybe it's like a potential future thing.
jordan holmes
Yeah, but isn't that like we already have a commitment to accept such and such number of refugees?
unidentified
Yes, we do.
jordan holmes
We already have money going into a program to...
Patriot such and such number of refugees.
dan friesen
And there are like UN guidelines for countries depending on their economic ability and population.
jordan holmes
Right.
And Trump is faithfully executing all of his responsibilities in that regard.
So we obviously don't need a judge to intervene in any way.
unidentified
No, no, no.
jordan holmes
Because Trump has the people in mind whenever he...
Is spending all of our money for his wife to hate him.
dan friesen
Meanwhile, Muhammad Ali's son was detained at an airport again.
jordan holmes
Multiple times!
dan friesen
Yay, sweet.
And Kazeer Khan, too.
jordan holmes
Oh, yeah, that's right.
unidentified
Yay!
jordan holmes
That's awesome.
alex jones
This goes on and on and on, and the judges are now issuing executive orders.
I didn't know they were the executive branch, but I guess that's it.
dan friesen
It's not called an executive order when a judge does it.
It's called a judgment.
jordan holmes
Yeah, or a judicial decree.
dan friesen
A decision in a court case.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Generally, they have something in front of them on their docket, and they decide what the law says about it, which is also what the judicial branch is for.
That's not an executive order.
jordan holmes
No, it's not.
It's not.
Now.
Nope, there is zero possibility of...
No, it's not an executive order.
Even if you wanted to...
And here's the craziest part.
You can't even compare it to an executive order because the executive can't overturn it.
Right.
Like, the whole point of that is to stop other people from doing unconstitutional shit.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
That's the whole government!
unidentified
Did none of these people go to a goddamn civics class once?
jordan holmes
Not one time!
unidentified
Nope.
jordan holmes
No checks and balances nonsense!
Just...
How did they not know already that it wasn't a dictatorship?
Did they not know that?
dan friesen
I don't know.
jordan holmes
You know what?
dan friesen
You're screaming at me and I'm scared.
jordan holmes
I'm sorry.
dan friesen
I understand why you're worked up, but I don't know how to respond to that.
unidentified
I'm sorry.
dan friesen
I'm just like, oh boy, oh boy.
jordan holmes
But the more I talk about it, the more it does make sense because they have consistently pushed the narrative of Obama's a dictator.
Obama's overreaching.
Obama's doing all of this stuff.
So for them to then say that, you know...
Trump is being caught on all of these things because we don't have a dictatorship.
That would then force them to realize that Obama was not, in fact, a dictator.
unidentified
Sure.
jordan holmes
And he was operating well within the confines of the law.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Whereas, as long as you think Obama's a dictator who got to do whatever he wanted, you get to assume that Trump gets to do whatever he wanted.
dan friesen
Well, it's like, what do they call that?
Like, preparatory rhetoric?
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
It's this idea of, like...
Muslims pose a threat to America's way of life.
When people make that argument, they aren't reflecting the reality currently.
They're reflecting what they want to respond to later.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I can see that.
dan friesen
They're preparing people's minds.
jordan holmes
They pose a threat, meaning that there is no threat now.
But maybe there will be.
So we might as well be prepared for that.
dan friesen
It's a way of framing the discussion.
It's very manipulative.
But anyway, it couldn't be an executive order anyway because the executive order is named after the executive branch.
It would be a judicial order, which maybe it is.
I don't know.
Who knows?
jordan holmes
Could just be the law.
alex jones
Total lawless rebellion.
The VA says, we're not hanging up pictures of the president or the VA head.
Congressman goes there with the proper size picture, hangs it up, they take it down.
And just say, hey, we run this country.
You understand?
Sit down and shut up.
jordan holmes
See, that's, again, that's not how that works.
dan friesen
No.
jordan holmes
The whole point of this country is because that was how that worked and it didn't go well.
So now we're not doing how that works.
dan friesen
Also, that story in question with them not wanting to hang up a Trump picture at the VA.
jordan holmes
Yeah, what was that about?
dan friesen
It had to do with it not being like, there's like weird bureaucracy and shit that has to go into decorating a VA.
Or something along those lines.
jordan holmes
Okay, well now I'm on their side on this one.
Fuck off.
Bureaucracy on decoration.
dan friesen
I kind of agree too, but the idea that it was like, we hate Trump, you can't put up his picture, that's not what it was.
It was like, there's rigmarole we have to go through.
jordan holmes
We need to have four forms, son.
dan friesen
Well, I mean, think about if you have a spot where a picture of a president's supposed to go and you bring in the wrong sized picture, now your VA looks like shit.
I'm not saying that...
jordan holmes
I still do not care.
dan friesen
I don't care either, but it's not what Alex is arguing.
jordan holmes
No, of course it's not what he's arguing.
Although if it was, that would be a cool VA.
I would want to go to that VA.
dan friesen
We agree with him for the wrong reasons.
jordan holmes
As always.
alex jones
We want to give ICBM technology to the Chi-Coms?
We're giving it to them.
jordan holmes
They already have them.
alex jones
You want to give atomic weapon production facilities to North Korea?
We're doing it.
jordan holmes
They already have them.
alex jones
Want us to open up Europe's borders, bring in 5 million, 80% military-age men?
They're allowed to rape, kill, murder whoever they want?
We're doing it.
jordan holmes
No, I don't think we're doing that one.
alex jones
And we're going to teach your five-year-old they're not really a boy, they're a girl.
We're going to teach your girl they're really a boy.
And by the way, the atrazine and all the other chemicals in the water in every major study in mammals, amphibians, you name it, shows it creates asexualization.
Your kid gets confused, wonders why they're a beta.
Then the school gets involved sexually with your kids and tells them, go to this special class, and they induct them into the new 100 genders.
It was 50 genders just a year ago.
And then they say you're against people that are a different gender, or people that identify it as being a dog or a baby or a 50-year-old man says they're a 6-year-old kid so they want to play with your daughter.
This is mental illness to bring down the society, and they admit it, and there's countless white papers.
Does it mean I hate somebody?
That was, you know, there's always been effeminate men and stuff like that in history.
The statistics, I have numbers here today.
jordan holmes
All about manhood!
You gotta have a big dick to run the world!
You gotta have a big dick to run the world!
dan friesen
Well, like, that idea there that he's spouting is so crazy, because he's like...
jordan holmes
Bro, you know what?
Here's the best part about this.
dan friesen
I don't hate anybody for their sexuality.
jordan holmes
There's always been effeminate men, those monsters.
dan friesen
Which kind of disproves that he knows what he's talking about.
And then secondarily, you're a beta, and you wonder why you're a beta, and then the school tells you you should be a woman.
jordan holmes
So much of that just washes over me now, where it's like...
Yeah, no, of course.
Of course they go to classes.
Have you ever been to one of these classes?
No, you haven't been to one of these classes.
But in these classes, they tell you how to be a girl.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
If you're a boy.
But if you're a beta.
They teach you how to be a girl.
dan friesen
If you're a beta.
Not if you're an alpha.
jordan holmes
Also, if he's right, the number of genders is exploding too fast.
Sure.
Look, I don't want to be anti-multiplying genders, but 50 to 100 in one year?
Guys, by next year, there'll be 10 million.
dan friesen
See?
Now, it's interesting that you say that.
This sort of relates to what he's about to say.
jordan holmes
Am I already preparatory rhetoric-ing what he's about to say?
dan friesen
Not really, but he is going to say something about exponential growth of something.
jordan holmes
All right.
dan friesen
And right before I cut the clip, he said, I have the statistics.
jordan holmes
So he is talking about that, like, if you dump chemicals into a thing...
unidentified
Gay frogs.
jordan holmes
Gay frogs.
He's still talking about gay frogs.
dan friesen
Yep.
jordan holmes
So that means people are gay, then?
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
Because of pesticides.
jordan holmes
Because of pesticides.
unidentified
Yep.
jordan holmes
Gotcha.
But we don't want the Clean Water Act or anything like that coming up the works.
That would just get more gay frogs?
dan friesen
No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
I don't have an argument, but no, no, no, no, no.
jordan holmes
Too many frogs.
dan friesen
We don't want to impede business even if it's creating gay frogs.
alex jones
And wanting to become opposite sex doubling each year in Sweden, say doctors.
dan friesen
Hold on, I gotta go back a tiny bit.
jordan holmes
I'm sorry.
dan friesen
No, it's on me.
jordan holmes
I just want you to know for sure that, you know.
You've got a chance so long as you keep that platform.
unidentified
I am going to run once I'm 35. And stuff like that in history.
alex jones
The statistics, I have numbers here today.
The number of children wanting to become opposite sex doubling each year in Sweden, say doctors.
Within only 15 years, the majority would have switched sexes.
And then you notice, though, they can't procreate.
Mission completed.
That's an exponential growth curve.
dan friesen
That's so stupid.
alex jones
Your kids don't learn how to be successful.
They learn how to die, how to not have children.
Meanwhile, they bring in absolute, lawless groups that openly believe and their imams have told them they're here to conquer.
dan friesen
So that's so stupid.
jordan holmes
Notorious B.I.G.
did have that album, Learn to Die.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
I remember that one really good.
dan friesen
It was Ready to Die.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
No, no, no.
It was Learn to Die.
dan friesen
Oh, okay.
Well, I mean, Lana Del Rey had an album, Born to Die, also very great.
Along with Pink.
I love Lana Del Rey.
Suck it, Jordan.
So...
Here's what's stupid about this.
jordan holmes
Oh, so many things!
So many things!
dan friesen
He's quoting a Breitbart article about the rise of transgender identity in Sweden.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
And there's no statistics in it.
There is nothing.
jordan holmes
So who said it was doubling?
dan friesen
There was a quote from a doctor in Sweden.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
Who said, without any statistics, without anything to back it up, she just said that each year the number doubles.
There's nothing to back that up.
jordan holmes
It's just anecdotal.
dan friesen
Also, she said that in the last year she's seen 197 individuals.
Who are trans identifying.
jordan holmes
So out of Sweden's population of way more than 197.
dan friesen
Certainly way more than 400, so we're safe for next year.
jordan holmes
Yeah, exactly.
We got one more year before Sweden falls off the map.
dan friesen
There's literally...
jordan holmes
So that's a percentage-wise of so minuscule that the fact that it's doubling is less more people are trans so much as more people are...
Fucking comfortable enough to be who they are.
dan friesen
Most of the time it's people who are already identifying as these things but hiding it.
jordan holmes
But fucking killing themselves.
dan friesen
Right, right.
jordan holmes
Trying to not be what they are.
dan friesen
And I believe, if I recall the statistic correctly, it's on the rise in America as well, but it's like 0.1% of the population.
It's very low.
It might be almost 1%.
jordan holmes
If it's 197 in Sweden, their population has to be at least like 40 million.
Probably.
So that's a percentage of a percentage of a percentage.
dan friesen
But to be fair, she is a doctor in one town, so she doesn't see everybody.
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
I know that.
jordan holmes
Also, wait.
She's a doctor in one town?
dan friesen
In, like, Stockholm or something.
unidentified
Oh, okay.
jordan holmes
So it's a big town.
Not like Bjork.
dan friesen
The point is...
jordan holmes
That's not the name of a town, but it should be.
dan friesen
Bjork isn't the...
jordan holmes
Bjork is not the name of a town.
dan friesen
The honorary capital.
jordan holmes
I don't know why that was the first thing that came to my mind.
unidentified
I do.
jordan holmes
She's Icelandic?
dan friesen
Yeah, exactly.
That's why.
But, like, there's no statistics.
it's just a quote that doesn't have anything to back it up from somebody and he's using this as an argument also there I did in my research I did find that there was an article about how the trans population in America has doubled in the last five years or so.
jordan holmes
So he could just be conflating those two nonsense...
dan friesen
Well, it's possible, but that number doubling is only based on a very unscientific and vague estimate of about 700,000 trans individuals in 2005.
Right.
unidentified
So that number that has hypothetically doubled is not...
dan friesen
There's no evidence that that's true.
jordan holmes
And that's already a bullshit thing because it's still got that same ring of, like, it's doubled since this previous length of time in the same way that, you know, in Saudi Arabia they're like, yeah, we don't have any gay people here.
Right.
So if there was one tomorrow, the population growth of gay people in Saudi Arabia would be, whoa, we're overrun!
dan friesen
Now let's take another lap around this bullshit Christmas tree and just give you- Is that a Christmas tradition?
I don't know why that came from my head.
Because sometimes you ring around the rosy, don't you?
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's not on Christmas, though.
That's a Mayday thing.
dan friesen
Oh boy.
But it's a tree.
jordan holmes
It's a tree.
dan friesen
It's a pole.
jordan holmes
It's a pole.
dan friesen
Shit.
jordan holmes
It's the- It's- Look.
dan friesen
It's a Maypole.
unidentified
Fuck.
jordan holmes
The pole is the metal version of a tree.
dan friesen
It symbolizes a tree.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
Bada bing, bada boom, Christmas tree.
So- The other thing that Alex is fucking stupid about, and if he had any understanding of these communities that he talks about, he would know, is that not all trans people are operative.
Not all of them have surgeries to get sexual reassignment surgery.
Many of them are still able to have children.
The idea that once you want to become the other gender, now you can't have kids, is bullshit.
That's absolute bullshit.
jordan holmes
It's always going to be bullshit.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
That's something that I don't even want to get into that area.
dan friesen
The only reason I did is that he legitimately used it.
jordan holmes
I know, but again, that still validates that idea of something about having a womb qualifies you as a woman.
dan friesen
Yes.
jordan holmes
That's what it always gets back to is...
dan friesen
You're not wrong.
jordan holmes
Are you a baby factory?
Is what Alex Jones thinks about.
Not, are you a woman?
Are you a person?
Are you a man with a big dick who can be all kinds of alpha?
Or are you a baby factory?
And everybody who doesn't fit into those is a fucking monster to him.
dan friesen
I am a human.
I am a procreator.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
No, he's full of that whole serious...
Binary idea of reality that's such a fucking bummer.
dan friesen
You know what else he's full of?
Shit.
jordan holmes
Shit!
dan friesen
This next clip that we're going to go into is a string of lies.
One of them is really fun to debunk, and the others are slightly less fun, but we'll make it through once my phone has the clip loaded.
alex jones
Look at this!
McDouble is the cheapest and most nutritious food in human history.
dan friesen
So that's the introduction of the premise.
jordan holmes
That is another great isolated drop right there.
Look at this!
The McDouble!
dan friesen
So I want to...
jordan holmes
God, McDonald's should have that on their fucking website tomorrow.
dan friesen
I would like to use this clip as something of a case study that we will come back to later in the episode of Alex Jones not knowing the stories that he's talking about.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
So the introduction is that McDonald's McDouble is the most nutritious and cheapest food in human history.
jordan holmes
So is he more meaning it's the cheapest food with the most nutrition in human history?
dan friesen
Should I read you the article?
jordan holmes
Of course you should.
dan friesen
I don't want to read the article, but basically it is a Telegraph article about the co-author of Freakonomics, Stephen Dubner.
jordan holmes
Stephen Dubner.
Not Levitt.
dan friesen
He hosted a debate on his blog after a reader suggested that the McDouble packed a better nutritional punch for the penny than is often assumed.
The double cheeseburger provides 390 calories, 23 grams of protein, half a daily serving, 7% of daily fiber, 19 grams of fat.
jordan holmes
You're reading off promo material now.
That's what that sounded like.
Half of your daily serving.
Right.
dan friesen
20% of your daily calcium, all for between $1 and $2.
Kyle Smith, a New York Post columnist, threw his support behind the McDouble's nutritional value.
For the average person, it isn't a great option to take a trip to the farmer's market to puzzle over esoteric lefty foodie codes, which is weird.
jordan holmes
I hate those lefty foodie codes.
dan friesen
Facts are facts.
Where else but McDonald's can poor people obtain so many calories per dollar?
Now, that's interesting.
jordan holmes
That is a really good question right there.
dan friesen
This article goes on to break down the difference between caloric intake and price of junk foods.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
And then it's sort of...
They have it thrown in the face of the argument when Tom Philippot, a campaigning organic farmer from North Carolina, said that there are many more nutritious ways of feeding people cheaply.
You can get a pound of organic brown rice and a pound of red lentils for about one...
One pound thirty each.
A serving of each of these things would be around forty-eight pence.
So basically he's saying that you could have red lentils and rice.
unidentified
Yeah, but also, fuck that guy?
dan friesen
Right.
So basically, this article...
jordan holmes
Not to jump on the whole anti-organic food bandwagon, that whole thing, but you know what nobody wants to hear?
If you're going for like, hey, I just want a bag of chips.
Somebody being like, you know, you could get all the brown rice you want to eat for half that cost.
And you're like, yeah, well, I didn't get that brown rice for a goddamn reason.
dan friesen
No one wants to hear that, and no one wants to eat that red lentil shit.
jordan holmes
No, no.
dan friesen
So anyway, the article starts with the premise of...
jordan holmes
No one but Barbra Streisand.
dan friesen
Right.
Is that a reference I don't get?
jordan holmes
I think it's a...
Didn't she have a musical that she directed called Lentil?
dan friesen
Oh, that's Yentl.
jordan holmes
Yentl!
dan friesen
Very close.
jordan holmes
Now I'm feeling quite anti-Semitic.
I'm so sorry.
dan friesen
Thank God we're doing an Alex Jones podcast.
jordan holmes
I'm in welcome company.
dan friesen
So, this article starts with the headline that the McDonald's McDouble is the most nutritious food, hypothetically.
The lead that it has discusses what the premise of the article is.
Then it explores the theme, and by the end, it explains that there are comparable other...
Things that you can eat that have about the same nutritional value.
jordan holmes
For roughly the same cost.
dan friesen
Which is what articles do.
jordan holmes
Do you mean they point out information?
dan friesen
Generally, yes.
jordan holmes
That you could use to make informed decisions?
dan friesen
And if you don't read the article, you don't get the information.
If you just read the headline, you don't get any of that information.
It's much like...
jordan holmes
It's much like the McDouble, in that you get a lot of empty calories.
dan friesen
I was gonna say it's like eating the skin of an orange.
It's like you're not getting why you're supposed to be eating this.
jordan holmes
It's like eating the skin of a five-year-old boy who is taught to think he's a girl.
dan friesen
So Alex has not read this article, but he's mad about it, and he talks about it for quite a while and spins it into some conspiracy theories.
jordan holmes
Another theme of this podcast, Alex hasn't read a thing that he's very mad about.
alex jones
And Telegraph's reporting.
That's the press release put out by McDonald's.
That's right.
unidentified
It's the cheapest and most nutritious food in human history.
alex jones
That's like Al Gore saying he invented the internet.
dan friesen
He didn't.
unidentified
It's not.
alex jones
I mean, it's a whopper, folks.
jordan holmes
Don't, don't, don't.
Don't!
alex jones
Don't you dare!
jordan holmes
Don't you dare!
I made one pun!
alex jones
Guess who their press secretary is?
Guess who the head of communications is?
You wonder where he went?
The longest running...
Is it Obama?
But the longest running press secretary in the Obama administration, Mr. Gibbs!
jordan holmes
Mr. Gibbs!
alex jones
Oh, he's the one obviously sending the tweet out about little hands and how Trump's a scumbag.
Oh, but it was an accident.
Oh, yeah, sure.
jordan holmes
I don't think anybody's said that that was an accidental tweet.
dan friesen
No, someone went rogue and did that at the McDonald's.
jordan holmes
Oh, that's right!
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
But then, because he hasn't read this article, he's thinking this is a press release from McDonald's when it's a discussion that was led by the co-author of Freakonomics.
jordan holmes
Yeah, no, it definitely wasn't from McDonald's.
dan friesen
But because this guy who used to work for Obama is now in PR at McDonald's...
Holy shit.
Let's bring Obama into this.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Let's bring this whole thing in.
It's crazy.
Now watch.
He tees off on this for quite a while.
And then eventually...
unidentified
How?
How?
dan friesen
Because he's an idiot.
And he just rambles.
But then he starts to read the article, and I think that he realizes, oh, everything I've just said is wrong.
jordan holmes
Oh, God.
dan friesen
So he bails.
jordan holmes
Is there a face?
Did you see a face?
dan friesen
There was a, like, sort of confused look, but it wasn't obvious.
jordan holmes
Like, as the words coming out of his mouth, he's like, no.
dan friesen
There have been other times that it's been more obvious.
He's like, what the fuck?
Oh, no.
But, like, this one was just, like, based...
And it plays on audio.
So, anyway, enjoy this dumb bullshit.
alex jones
I don't believe anything out of a known liar that says, oh, we lie to the public about drones and about Obamacare.
And thank God they're so dumb.
And MSNBC laughs with him.
Man, it's so great.
They're so stupid.
jordan holmes
Mr. Gibbs.
alex jones
That's okay.
Don't criticize them because New York Assemblyman unveils a bill to suppress non-government approved free speech.
Google.
To target criticism of Islam and new censorship purge in the United States.
dan friesen
These aren't true things.
These are just headlines from, like, Zero Hedge.
Right.
jordan holmes
Nonsense.
dan friesen
Don't get bogged down in these.
It's all just nonsense.
He gets back to McDonald's in a minute.
alex jones
Anything upsetting or offensive to Islam will be banned.
See, they're bringing something incompatible, the most radical forms of orthodox Wahhabism, where I'm upset a woman doesn't have a hood over her head.
So the first step is the mayor of Cologne, a big trendy lady, going, Ladies, don't wear short skirts.
And by the way, we can't have Oktoberfest on the streets.
The Muslims get mad.
Gotta go in the beer hall.
dan friesen
With or without Muslims, we can't drink on the streets in America.
We can't have open containers.
jordan holmes
Yeah, but do you know when that law came into effect?
dan friesen
Probably when the Muslims came over.
jordan holmes
The moment the first Muslim came over.
dan friesen
That's how that happened.
Or maybe it was because some drunk asshole threw a bottle at a car.
jordan holmes
Nope.
dan friesen
I don't know.
jordan holmes
Muslims!
Do you believe they put up with that?
alex jones
That's in the news.
Do not drink beer on the street.
The Muslims get mad.
How about you get in my face and hit me?
I'm going to fight back.
But no, the Germans have been taught.
Roll over.
Pee on themselves.
Literally.
I'm not kidding.
I'm not kidding.
It's about total submission.
They can make you submit to Muslims.
Outsiders.
You'll submit to anybody.
jordan holmes
Outsiders.
unidentified
Code.
jordan holmes
Not white people.
dan friesen
It's so easy just to drift past something like that.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
It's so bad.
That was coded white supremacists.
dan friesen
It's so bad.
unidentified
Yep.
alex jones
A guy 15 years ago would hear all this talk about they're going to make us go under Sharia.
They bought off the CIA people.
Islam's going to take over.
I'm like, oh, ridiculous.
Sure, there's a lot.
dan friesen
I'm saying that now.
jordan holmes
How long until we get Sharia law?
dan friesen
Never?
jordan holmes
Never?
Do you think never?
Because I've been told to be afraid of it for nigh on my entire life now.
dan friesen
Absolutely.
jordan holmes
It's right around the corner, Sharia.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Sharia's right around the corner.
dan friesen
It's more of a boogeyman than the...
jordan holmes
Obama, yeah.
dan friesen
Or Soros.
jordan holmes
Barack Hussein Sharia Obama?
dan friesen
Malia, his daughter rhymes with Sharia.
jordan holmes
Malia, that's all we need to know.
That's all we need to know.
alex jones
Bad areas with Islam.
It's out of control.
We don't need to bomb those areas.
And stir them up.
But we were actually bombing them, I was completely right, to put the bad ones in charge.
And to open up Turkey.
Oh, and Turkey's in the news saying, we're colonizing you, holy war.
We've activated our political groups.
We've got millions of Turks per European city, per European country, millions.
And we're ready to burn everything down.
jordan holmes
Submit!
unidentified
So...
dan friesen
They're not saying that.
jordan holmes
So he's mad at Turkey?
dan friesen
Who Flynn works for.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Yeah, he's mad at Erdogan.
jordan holmes
That's legitimate.
We should be mad at Erdogan.
dan friesen
Sure, he's jailing journalists and professors.
jordan holmes
He's a giant piece of shit.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
But still denying that whole genocide that he did.
dan friesen
And he faked a coup, much like Roger Stone faked a polonium poisoning.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's probably pretty evil shit that he just did right there.
dan friesen
Probably.
jordan holmes
Faked a fucking coup.
What a...
That's a solid...
If you can get away with that move, that's a solid move.
dan friesen
It's a classic dictator move.
jordan holmes
Classic dictator move.
dan friesen
But he's saying they have millions of people per European city.
It's like, okay, you're going to move your entire population?
jordan holmes
There are not that many Turkish people.
No.
No.
Not that many.
dan friesen
And he's not saying that.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's right.
We got bogged down in the reality of math to get into the fact that nobody has said any of that bullshit.
dan friesen
I promise this does get back to McDonald's.
jordan holmes
That's right, we're still talking about McDonald's.
I forgot once we got into Turkey that McDonald's is still involved.
dan friesen
Get ready, because North Korea is also going to come up.
jordan holmes
I thought we were talking about Butterball at this point.
alex jones
And Europe is actually announcing capitulation to Islamic domination and terror.
unidentified
Yep.
jordan holmes
Saw it.
alex jones
Unbelievable.
jordan holmes
White pages.
alex jones
Yeah, there's Yahoo, AFP, but that's not even strong enough.
Turkey threatens to send Europe 15,000 refugees a month to dominate them.
What they said is, this is now a holy war.
We're activating our forces.
Submit.
dan friesen
I wonder if that has anything to do with the people in power saying holy war language.
I wonder if it has anything to do with Bannon.
The chief strategist of the president literally saying he foresees a holy war between Christianity and Islam.
jordan holmes
I can't think of any reason.
dan friesen
No, but again, Erdogan's not saying these things.
But if he was, we're playing into it.
And we should not be doing that.
jordan holmes
No, we're playing into a lot of holy war rhetoric by using that holy war rhetoric.
dan friesen
You and I ain't.
jordan holmes
No, that's true.
dan friesen
Anyway.
alex jones
The foreign minister said, but that's okay.
Robert Gibbs tells us that the McDouble...
This is the best comedy ever.
It's the cheapest and most nutritious food in human history.
If that ain't fake news, I don't know what is.
Oh, but see, I've been judged by Google and by a Harvard list they're now circulating that I'm fake.
jordan holmes
Google, Harvard list.
dan friesen
In the middle of him telling a fake story about Robert Gibb being behind this McDonald's story in the Telegraph, he's complaining that people think he's fake news.
This is insane.
jordan holmes
I don't see a problem here.
dan friesen
This is through-the-looking-glass shit.
jordan holmes
I don't see an issue.
dan friesen
Okay.
jordan holmes
It all makes sense to me.
alex jones
Everything you've heard me say for 39 minutes is currently happening.
Most of it's from their own mouths.
jordan holmes
Zero of what he said is currently happening.
alex jones
And they know it, and that's why they're scared.
Was Obama Trump insider Gibbs behind McDonald's anti-Trump tweet?
He is the chief communications officer.
Well, we know this.
He's the one thing behind telling us that McDouble is the cheapest and most nutritious food.
dan friesen
He's not.
It's the guy from Freakonomics.
It's the guy from Freakonomics had a discussion on his website, which you'd know if you'd read the article, which is crazy.
This is insane.
jordan holmes
Has Mr. Gibb been anywhere near this?
dan friesen
His fingerprints are nowhere near anything.
jordan holmes
Does Mr. Gibb know any of this is happening?
dan friesen
He's not even reached for comment in the article.
So anyway.
alex jones
In human history, I can't say that enough.
Hey, do you hear the most nutritious and inexpensive food?
It's both.
In history, is the McDouble.
Describing the McDonald's double cheeseburger as the cheapest, most nutritious, and bountiful.
jordan holmes
Also, the best comedy ever is probably the original Ghostbusters, not this.
dan friesen
I think it's the one with the women.
alex jones
Food that has ever clogged a colon.
I'm sorry I didn't say that.
Describing the McDonald's, their food will not rot under glass.
Everything else does.
Describing, describing Kim Jong-un as the most dashing, handsome man.
They say if it's cloudy, it becomes sunny when he's out, and birds sing, and flowers begin to germinate.
It's as if he has the very life force.
Kim Jong-un once took on 17 different men at one time and beat them all up.
Those are real stories they tell about him.
jordan holmes
Oh, in North Korea.
dan friesen
Yes, propagandists in North Korea do that.
jordan holmes
Hey, do you know what's crazy?
Do you remember what happened on the day of Trump's inauguration?
dan friesen
I don't.
jordan holmes
When it was raining and then the sun came out?
dan friesen
Oh wait, yeah, I do remember that.
jordan holmes
Do you know what they did?
dan friesen
They said that it was him.
jordan holmes
It was Providence.
You goddamn betcha.
dan friesen
It was God smiling down.
jordan holmes
I'm not gonna lie to you here.
This pains me.
unidentified
But, Alex...
jordan holmes
You busted.
dan friesen
Oh, shit.
You're as bad as North Korean propagandists.
jordan holmes
He is as bad as North Korean propagandists.
He doesn't even have any clue.
dan friesen
Nope.
alex jones
His father.
See, it's just as ridiculous.
Just as ridiculous about North Korea.
North Korea has the highest production and highest standard of living and highest education in the world.
Official North Korean news agency.
jordan holmes
So, is he...
Is he doing the voice of the North Korean news agency people?
dan friesen
He's doing the same voice he did when he was talking about the McDouble being the nutritious food.
jordan holmes
Right, the Harvard people and that kind of thing.
dan friesen
He's implying that liberals believe all this stuff about North Korea and Kim Jong-un, which is not at all true.
jordan holmes
No, I don't think anybody, but I don't even think North Koreans believe half of that shit.
dan friesen
No, they're forced to.
jordan holmes
Yeah, they're...
dan friesen
They're beaten if they don't cry when Kim Jong-il died.
jordan holmes
Well, they are also beaten if they speak in any tone other than this one that sounds like a 1940s effeminate British butler.
dan friesen
To be fair, I enjoy hearing that voice.
jordan holmes
In a drawing room comedy.
dan friesen
I kind of wish we all spoke like that.
It would be a very pleasant liberal world.
unidentified
This would be a much more interesting podcast if somebody forced us to use this voice.
jordan holmes
I am going to kill myself.
dan friesen
Honestly, with my sore throat, I don't think I can do it.
jordan holmes
Seriously, I want to fucking die the more I talk like that.
dan friesen
He's going to get right back to McDonald's.
jordan holmes
Of course.
alex jones
Say that.
Oh, they also say, here, you can keep your doctor under Obamacare.
It's free.
jordan holmes
Yep, yep.
That's the perfect time to bring that in.
Nailed it.
You got it.
Perfect.
unidentified
Perfect.
dan friesen
That wasn't unfortunate.
jordan holmes
Slam it home, Alex!
dan friesen
That was an unfortunate thing that Obama said.
That turned out not to be true.
jordan holmes
It was...
I just saw that it was like in 2013, it was PolitiFact's lie of the year!
dan friesen
Yeah, and the liberal outlets, the mainstream outlets all have also...
jordan holmes
Rightly pilloried him for it.
dan friesen
Yeah, but I believe that he intended for that to be the case.
jordan holmes
Yeah, he really wanted to.
It wasn't a lie so much as he couldn't do it.
He was like...
I want to make this succeed, and everybody was like, ah, we hate you because you're black.
dan friesen
I imagine, and now it might be fantasy booking history, but I imagine in a situation where he wasn't up against such a very strong opposition that threatened to shut down the government over his health care bill, I imagine he would have gotten in a you-can-keep-your-doctor piece to the bill.
Maybe that's not true.
Who knows?
The more important point is...
jordan holmes
Yeah, we shouldn't go back and re-litigate the past on that one, because I think we have a time machine moment here just scant months ago that we should probably go after way before we get to the you-can-keep-your-own-doctor time machine.
dan friesen
The more important point is that...
Alright, Alex, fair point on that.
But then he says, we're about to hit a lightning round of lies.
So the next one he says that I think I accidentally paused too long.
jordan holmes
Can we get a buzzer?
dan friesen
I'll just isolate that.
The other thing he says is that Obamacare was going to be free.
No one ever said that.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
No one ever said that.
jordan holmes
No one.
dan friesen
They did say that there would be tax credits that would help you pay for that stuff, and there has been.
jordan holmes
And eventually it would not necessarily pay for itself, but it would be less...
dan friesen
Well, it would pay for itself in terms of government stuff.
Anyway.
jordan holmes
They did a good job.
Not as good as we would like.
alex jones
You didn't build it.
dan friesen
So there was the other one.
Obama saying that you didn't build your business.
jordan holmes
Right.
We got one.
dan friesen
Alex is super mad about that.
The point that Obama was trying to make in that speech is that we all live in communities.
Yeah.
And you didn't individually build your business.
You did it within the network and the framework of the community you live in.
unidentified
Right.
jordan holmes
Or even then, if you did build your business, like, legitimately from the ground up, you built the building.
You built all of this shit.
You got your clients.
Did you build the roads?
dan friesen
Did you quarry the rocks that you built the building with?
jordan holmes
Did you build the school that you went to that taught you how to do this?
Did you build all of the...
Did you build the hospital where you broke your goddamn leg?
dan friesen
Did you build the neighborhood that provides you with customers?
unidentified
Right, right.
jordan holmes
Did you build your parents' parents?
dan friesen
Right, and it sounds like an offensive point when you're like, you didn't build your business, but the reality of it is what he's saying is that everything exists within a complicated framework.
jordan holmes
It's an ecosystem.
unidentified
Yes.
jordan holmes
That's like saying, you know, it's dumb.
Obama's right when he said you didn't build your business.
dan friesen
He doesn't get credit for this one, Alex, in a sense.
alex jones
Two doesn't necessarily equal four.
dan friesen
Two plus two equals five is the next lie, and of course that is classic Orwell shit.
jordan holmes
Very much Obama too.
dan friesen
But at the same time...
jordan holmes
Obama hated the number four.
dan friesen
If you look at math, sometimes two plus two does equal five.
unidentified
I don't want to get into super complicated math, but I'll give you...
jordan holmes
If you're going to get into non-Euclidean geometry...
Shit's about to get wild.
This is going to be a very boring podcast.
dan friesen
I'll give you a very basic example.
This is something that comes up in taxation and accounting a lot.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
A lot of times you have to round things.
You have to round things to the nearest integer.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
And oftentimes...
jordan holmes
Like row, row, row your boat.
dan friesen
If you have a penny, you can't split the penny.
But oftentimes...
jordan holmes
But you can leave a penny.
dan friesen
If a hay penny will do.
But we don't have hay pennies anymore.
So if you have something that's like 2.49 cents...
And you double it.
That's rounded to two cents when you're adding it up.
So it's two cents plus two cents.
And what you'll end up with is 2.49 plus 2.49, which equals 4.98.
You round that up to five, you now have a nickel.
So it's two cents plus two cents equals five cents.
That doesn't happen in math sometimes.
jordan holmes
So what you're saying is that we should abolish the penny.
dan friesen
I agree with that.
unidentified
There we go.
jordan holmes
This would solve all of these simple addition problems that we've been having for so many years.
dan friesen
I understand that the point I'm making is slightly pedantic.
jordan holmes
I was thinking you were getting more into string theory instead of basic arithmetic.
dan friesen
I can't explain that on this podcast.
But yes, there are other instances that are way more complicated where numbers take on different characteristics.
But just in that, in the case of rounding.
Often two plus two can equal five.
jordan holmes
Fair enough.
dan friesen
So suck it, Alex.
unidentified
You're an idiot.
jordan holmes
In the case of rounding, we find against Alex Jones.
alex jones
Those are all real statements they made.
Who's the fake news?
jordan holmes
You.
alex jones
They're trying to break your will and condition you to accept it.
jordan holmes
McDouble!
alex jones
Here, let's read the London Telegraph article.
We ought to have articles every day about McDonald's tweets because they're just the biggest load of horse manure.
dan friesen
One of their most recent tweets is, the Shamrock Shake is back.
jordan holmes
I went to the McDonald's in Austin, and they told me they didn't have it!
That's just bullshit!
dan friesen
Horse manure.
jordan holmes
Pure horse manure!
alex jones
Horse manure obviously is more nutritious, in my opinion.
The public say, fake news!
He claims horse manure is more nutritious.
I bet it is to plants.
McDouble is the cheapest, I'm reading, and most nutritious food in human history.
Here, let me read the British accent.
I'll be more authoritative.
jordan holmes
Great.
unidentified
That's a terrible British accent.
That's not a British accent.
alex jones
That might seem fanciful.
No, it might seem like an outrageous, giant, colossal, biggest lie in history, but I'm sorry, might seem beyond fanciful.
But according to the author of Freakonomics, it's not as absurd a suggestion as it appears.
dan friesen
At this point, I think Alex realizes that his whole narrative...
jordan holmes
Maybe they're not confirming that.
Maybe they're just saying, you might be surprised that it's...
dan friesen
It packs an amazing caloric punch per dollar.
But I think at this point he realizes he's about to jump ship.
jordan holmes
He's about to dismount?
alex jones
That's right!
It's actually true!
unidentified
The McDowell is the best owner!
alex jones
It's wonderful!
Sorry.
jordan holmes
This is a grown-up, right?
alex jones
There you go.
Now let's get to something even more ridiculous.
jordan holmes
And then he just moves on.
dan friesen
Because he read that Freakonomics part and he realized, oh shit, this article doesn't say what I've just been saying for the last ten minutes.
jordan holmes
So he does, now he does pull the dismount.
Pretty well.
Doing that childish character?
I would give him an 8.7 for distraction.
It's like in gymnastics whenever the gymnast falls off the balance beam.
They still get up and do the thing with their arms and they puff the chest out.
He still did it.
He committed to it.
He's still performing.
The man knows what he's doing.
dan friesen
So embarrassing.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
So embarrassing.
jordan holmes
That's pathetic.
dan friesen
Like, the arc of that clip is McDonald's, I haven't read this article, but I'm going to tee off on it.
I'm going to claim that it's some Obama guy who's behind it.
I'm going to weave that into these other fake stories.
About Muslims invading countries.
I'm going to...
jordan holmes
Weave that into Obamacare and Obama lying about things.
Two plus two equals five.
dan friesen
Also, North Korea pretending that all, like, basically liberals believe North Korean propaganda.
jordan holmes
You busted.
dan friesen
And then I'm going to actually get around to reading the article.
Oh, shit.
jordan holmes
That was a real hero's journey we just went on.
dan friesen
That was Joseph Campbellian.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
But then, here's what's great about it.
So that clip ended with, let's get on to something more ridiculous.
jordan holmes
Yes!
dan friesen
This next clip is going to start with him saying that, just so I can illustrate, that all of that leads to this.
jordan holmes
Alright.
dan friesen
And this is yet another one of our little adventures down Alex Jones' bullshit history.
jordan holmes
Oh, no.
His personal history or his imagination of what the real history is?
dan friesen
I think the latter.
He's going to tell a story that I don't believe is true.
Or, actually, I'm going to say this.
Pieces of it could be true, but I'm certain that there is an element of this story that Alex Jones does not know, and he doesn't know that he doesn't know it.
jordan holmes
Okay.
alex jones
Now let's get to something even more ridiculous, because I've told this story probably a hundred times in 22 years on air.
dan friesen
I believe that.
jordan holmes
I believe that too.
dan friesen
Based on how repetitive he is, I guarantee he's told it more than a hundred times.
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
Though I have never heard it, so it was fresh for me.
alex jones
Because it happened about a year.
It happened about a year.
Let me just reset there, because this is such a big deal.
This is so ultra-massive, and it just illustrates everything we're dealing with, okay?
So, I was about 20 years old.
And I was staying in a small apartment, working and going to so-called community college.
It was totally worthless.
See, I'm digressing.
I shouldn't even tell that part of the story.
jordan holmes
I want to hear more about that.
alex jones
That's the part of the story I want to hear the most about.
I mean, I shouldn't tell you what color the drapes were in my parents' house or where they had the safe in their bedroom or whatever.
jordan holmes
What?
dan friesen
Now we know where the safe is.
jordan holmes
Now we know they have a safe in their bedroom!
Jesus, Alex, you are the worst at this!
dan friesen
He's the worst at being discreet.
He's the worst at telling stories.
jordan holmes
I shouldn't tell you this.
There's nuclear weapons outside of my house.
dan friesen
They're buried.
jordan holmes
Look, I have sources.
They wouldn't want me to tell you this.
But I'll tell you this.
dan friesen
It's a guy named Greg.
jordan holmes
Obama is killing all of us tomorrow.
They wouldn't want me to tell you that.
I just got to tell you that.
dan friesen
Of course they wouldn't, because it's not true.
jordan holmes
Well, they wouldn't want me to tell you that.
alex jones
You know, I tend to digress off, but let me just restart.
jordan holmes
Yes, that's how you solve the digression problem.
alex jones
When I was in college, I lived in an apartment, so I didn't keep my firearms in my apartment.
I kept my parents' house.
And my parents had a well-known newspaper-slash-magazine editor.
He's worked at both places.
He's been a friend of theirs since I was a little kid.
jordan holmes
So, to recap so far.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
If you want to steal his parents' safe, just know that when you go in, you can already grab Alex's guns to do so.
dan friesen
They're in the bedroom, too.
jordan holmes
Don't bring your own guns.
Make sure that you walk in empty-handed with gloves.
dan friesen
This is not a BYOG situation.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
Just, you can walk in there.
dan friesen
But to be fair, you'd need a time machine again, because this is back when he was in junior college.
So, I mean, who knows?
You don't want to keep guns in a junior college dorm.
I do agree with that.
jordan holmes
That is true.
That's true.
dan friesen
I support him on that.
alex jones
And so I go through their living room into their bedroom and I come out with a rifle and a.357 Magnum in a case.
Can't even see a.357 Magnum.
And I'm walking out to go deer hunting.
And he's all the way through the living room in the den slash dining room and he goes, And I hear this, and he goes, is that a gun?
And I went, yes.
And he's like, oh!
He's like scrambling back, and his wife's like, it's okay, it's okay, it's okay.
And my dad goes, hey, come on, Alex, come in here, show him.
He's like, no, no, no.
And he's like, listen, relax.
You've known Alex all your life.
He's a good guy.
I'm a doctor.
You know, you're a newspaper editor.
Stop, stop.
They're like, oh, stop, I'm leaving, you'll do this.
I'm like walking in with a rifle.
We're like, look, it's not loaded, everything's okay.
Oh, what's in there?
I'm going to leave, I'm going to leave.
My dad's like, go if you want to.
Because, you know, he's a big liberal friend of his that he'd known since my mom worked with him in a major newspaper.
So these people have been around since I was born, okay?
Been on camping trips with them, all over the country.
I mean, I've known them well.
And they're a little bit...
More informed now today.
I mean, I haven't seen him in probably six, seven years, but it's crazy.
But this is the domesticated mindset.
So, I'm walking out, and my dad goes, no, come back with the.357.
He unzips it in the black case.
jordan holmes
Don't come back with the.357.
alex jones
It's not even loaded.
See?
It's no big deal.
A car is more dangerous than this.
And he's freaking out.
He starts panicking.
He's red-faced.
We're leaving.
It's fine.
Hey, good seeing you.
I leave.
They were going to go out to dinner and stuff that night.
He got so freaked out with his wife, he left and my parents really weren't ever friends with him again.
dan friesen
So now, I don't believe that story at all.
jordan holmes
Nope.
dan friesen
There's something else going on and I don't know what it was and neither does Alex.
jordan holmes
Nope.
dan friesen
There's something in the dynamic between the two couples.
There's some strain in their friendship that already existed.
There's no way that some squeamish liberal would be freaked out.
You have a gun?
We can't be friends anymore!
Not a chance.
jordan holmes
Well, that does illustrate something about gun people that they just cannot fathom, which is that don't bring a gun near me.
Look, I'm not going to be like, whatever Alex Jones is making fun of at any given point in time.
But I don't want a gun in my face!
That is simple to me.
That is something that would make me angry.
If I come into this to record this and you just have an unmentioned gun sitting around, I'm not going to feel okay with that.
I'm going to say, hey, could you not have that gun in my face?
And then if you come up to me and then say, you're a pussy!
No, look!
It's not loaded.
It's not loaded right now.
Like, no!
A gun is an implied threat to me, period.
dan friesen
And it's your right to think that.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
But then I also think...
jordan holmes
And that would put a strain on our relationship.
dan friesen
I think that there's another thing...
jordan holmes
I'm sure with therapy we could work past it.
But that would be a strain.
dan friesen
It's not going to be couples therapy.
It's going to be trios therapy.
You, me, and my gun.
unidentified
They charge extra, but it's worth it.
dan friesen
Here's the thing.
I think that gun people also don't realize that people who don't like guns really aren't that squeamish for the most part.
They just recognize the danger that's there and they don't want to be involved in it.
I don't want guns around, period.
I understand that a lot of people can use them respectfully and responsibly.
I just don't want them around.
A lot of my good friends growing up in Missouri had guns.
jordan holmes
I think people in my family have guns.
I'm fairly certain that both my brother and my dad have guns.
dan friesen
And I think a lot of very liberal people understand that responsible gun ownership is possible.
It's prevalent.
jordan holmes
Good God, is it prevalent.
dan friesen
It is.
jordan holmes
It really is.
dan friesen
I mean, if it wasn't, everyone would be dead.
jordan holmes
Comparatively, yeah.
Realistically speaking, we have a shit ton of gun violence, but God, it could be a lot worse.
It really could be.
dan friesen
Now, the flip side of that is also liberals understand statistics.
And a lot of times, no matter how careful you are, accidents can happen.
So it's best just for our money, we don't want to be around it.
Much like a baby accidentally shooting another baby.
Those things do happen.
jordan holmes
So many babies are murderers.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
How weird is that?
dan friesen
Who knew that it was in their cold baby hearts?
jordan holmes
How do you raise a child that has accidentally...
How do you raise a baby with the knowledge that when it was...
Say you're seven.
dan friesen
You gotta move.
jordan holmes
You're seven.
dan friesen
I mean, you gotta move.
jordan holmes
Your parents sit you down in the living room and they say, listen.
dan friesen
No way.
jordan holmes
Dan.
dan friesen
No way.
Jordan, you're freaking me out.
jordan holmes
I don't want you...
Look, Dan.
No, it's not that big a deal, okay?
And you're like, oh my god, am I adopted?
And they're like, no.
You're a murderer.
You killed your brother.
unidentified
No.
jordan holmes
You were two years old at the time and you murdered him.
dan friesen
No, that's something...
jordan holmes
And it's your fault.
dan friesen
That's the secret you take to the grave.
That's like your...
jordan holmes
It's in the...
dan friesen
That's like you're a rape baby or something like that.
Those are the things you don't tell a child.
jordan holmes
Wish you hadn't said that.
dan friesen
Well, those are the sort of things that you...
I know that everyone feels like all information is important for everyone to have.
No, it's not.
If you accidentally killed someone else as a baby, you can't tell that baby that.
jordan holmes
You can't tell that baby that.
dan friesen
No matter what.
jordan holmes
Unless it's somehow in your scrapbook.
That would be an inopportune picture to take.
Like, you remember how...
dan friesen
Listen, we're getting so far off track.
jordan holmes
Sorry, I just had a vision of those childbirth videos that somehow happened where they're like, we're going to videotape the birth!
And then just a baby coming out with a gun.
We got it on tape!
dan friesen
We shoved it up there in the third trimester.
It's been getting handy with the steel.
So, I mean, to get back to Alex.
jordan holmes
To get off the topic of baby murder.
dan friesen
Yeah.
He does not understand something about this story, and I'm not sure what it is.
And so I can't dispute what he's saying, except to say this doesn't pass the smell test.
jordan holmes
No, there's a correlation.
There isn't a causation there.
dan friesen
At this point, he pulls out a gun.
jordan holmes
No!
He does not actually pull out a gun.
unidentified
He does.
jordan holmes
On the show?
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
He pulls out a gun?
dan friesen
Yep.
jordan holmes
What a fucking idiot!
dan friesen
And then for about 15 minutes...
jordan holmes
This is why they left, because he's always pulling guns out!
dan friesen
And in about 15 minutes throughout this next 15 minutes, he's putting the laser scope at the camera and shining the light on him.
He's like, I can't help myself.
But...
jordan holmes
That's fucking terrifying!
dan friesen
It is.
Then, he uses this, as we're about to see as the rest of this clip plays out, he uses it to discuss the story about Sean Hannity pointing a gun at Juan Williams.
unidentified
Right!
dan friesen
Which we can address after this clip is done.
unidentified
Okay.
dan friesen
So we can hear Alex's take on it and then discuss.
unidentified
Cool.
alex jones
So at that point, they'd known him 20 years.
I was 20 years old then.
Now, why do I tell you the story?
unidentified
Because...
alex jones
This is what we're dealing with.
Nancy Pelosi is in a new press conference and doesn't even know where she is, okay?
She thinks George W. Bush is president.
jordan holmes
We've already established that.
dan friesen
Just a slip of the tongue, and you're making hay while the sun shines on that.
alex jones
That was in one a few weeks ago.
There's one even worse.
Maxine Waters again thinks Russia invaded Korea.
dan friesen
Same clip package you've been hitting on for a month now.
It's getting stale.
jordan holmes
Let it go.
alex jones
The new one, she obviously has dementia.
She's out of her mind.
Giggling like an insane person.
This is who is in control of our country.
And the reason I raise that is liberals are domesticated people.
Most of them were abused as children.
They're scared.
jordan holmes
Really?
alex jones
They have no competency.
jordan holmes
Most of us were abused as children?
alex jones
They're not confident.
And that's why they're so afraid of veterans and tough guys and competent folks and just hard working class, middle class people.
jordan holmes
Big dicks, big dicks, big dicks, big dicks.
dan friesen
I would like to posit something.
I want to go back to that abuse thing.
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
I would argue that a lot of people were abused as children.
Now, generally, liberals are okay talking about it.
They're okay being open about trauma in their past because they understand that it doesn't make them any less.
Of a man or a woman to recognize things that were done to them when they were powerless.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Let's get to Juan Williams, which is something I say all the time.
jordan holmes
Let's get to Juan Williams.
dan friesen
I say that all the time.
jordan holmes
Let's get to Juan Williams!
alex jones
Because to them, it's scary to see somebody aggressive and competent.
I just love being around veterans and special forces people and stuff because they're funny, they're smart, they get stuff done, they got jokes, they got things to do, they're having a good time.
It's the complete opposite.
Of the people that are friends with Juan Williams.
And that's where I'm going next with this.
Very fake news.
Juan Williams slaps CNN reporter claiming Sean Hannity pulled a gun on him after an argument.
Again, very fake news.
Juan Williams slams CNN report claiming Sean Hannity pulled a gun on him after an argument.
dan friesen
The truth is that the story that's being reported and what people are shocked about is that...
Sean Handy pointed a gun at him.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's bad.
dan friesen
It wasn't that he pulled the gun on him.
Even if a gun is unloaded, you're never supposed to point it at the other person.
jordan holmes
That's one of the conversations we have about responsible gun ownership.
The first part of responsible gun ownership is don't point it at somebody!
Because do you know what could happen?
It could accidentally go off!
It could be loaded!
You could be a baby!
dan friesen
Even if it appears unloaded, there could be something in the chamber or something like that.
It's entirely possible.
That something fucked up could happen.
And that's why the number one rule is always point guns at the ground.
jordan holmes
Don't point a gun at a person!
And his, like, oh, we hate people who are aggressive and competent.
Stop with the second word.
Stop.
We hate people who are aggressive.
The aggressive is the part we don't like.
Competent is great.
Competent is great, but the type of aggressive where you point a gun at somebody is bad!
dan friesen
The only time I like aggressive is when it's high school football and I can hear those cheerleaders spelling it out.
jordan holmes
B-E.
dan friesen
Aggressive.
B-E.
Aggressive.
jordan holmes
C-O-M-P-T-E-N-T.
dan friesen
Uh-huh.
We're not good.
We're not cheerleaders.
jordan holmes
Wait.
I just spelled competent wrong, didn't I?
dan friesen
I think you did.
But the point is, Alex, what he's harping on is that these news stories were saying that Juan Williams had a gun.
Pulled on him after an argument.
And if someone was reporting that, that's unfair.
jordan holmes
I don't think that happened.
I think the story was just that they were talking and then somehow Hannity was like, check out this gun and pointed it at Juan Williams.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
And according to Juan Williams, he was fine with it, which is crazy town.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
That's just bananas down.
dan friesen
That's his right.
jordan holmes
If he wants to be fine with it, that's fine.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
Now, of course, the joke on the internet is that...
When he said he was fine with it, somebody was pointing a gun at him.
dan friesen
Sure.
It turns into the Deep Space Nine Millimeter video.
That's an LP reference for you cool, cool, run-the-jewels fans.
Even that reference is too late.
I should make a company flow reference.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
Anyway, the point is, you know.
jordan holmes
Don't point guns at people.
Don't point guns at people.
dan friesen
And when you do, expect you should be criticized.
jordan holmes
At the very least.
Expect somebody to at least be like, hey, don't do that.
dan friesen
So this next clip I'm going to play, we're not going to actually deal with it at all, because I don't care to.
But during the show, he had an interview for an hour with a guy named Larry C. Johnson, who's a CIA.
Ex-CIA guy.
jordan holmes
Alright.
Is he competent?
dan friesen
That's what C stands for.
jordan holmes
Is he aggressive?
dan friesen
Absolutely.
He's Larry Johnson, but don't get it twisted, he is not Grandma Ma.
jordan holmes
Oh, okay, good.
dan friesen
Not Larry Johnson from the Charlotte Hornets.
unidentified
Good.
dan friesen
He did not appear on Family Matters.
jordan holmes
Alright.
dan friesen
But here is Alex Jones' intro to when he's about to bring him onto the show.
alex jones
All right, folks, we are very, very honored.
In the next 20 minutes, we're going to be joined by Larry C. Johnson of NoQuarterUSA.net.
He went over his award-winning distinguished career at the CIA.
It would take too long, so I won't do it.
And he also headed up as Deputy Director in the U.S. State Department's Office of Counterterrorism, Crisis Management, and so much more.
He also ran intelligence operations into Kuwait.
In that whole situation, I don't have time to go over it all, obviously.
dan friesen
He doesn't have time to go over all of it, so I will.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I don't think you want that on your credits list.
dan friesen
I will go over all of it.
jordan holmes
If you're introducing me at a show, I definitely don't want you talking about a massive failure of mine.
dan friesen
So, Larry C. Johnson is notable because he went on RT.
The Russian state news network.
jordan holmes
Great.
We love it when we get that.
dan friesen
And he gave an interview where he was talking about how people that he knows within the CIA were ordered to target Trump, which is based on hearsay.
He has no evidence of it at all.
jordan holmes
It's kind of like something Trump would say.
dan friesen
Kind of.
Maybe Trump is his source through some weird Ouroboros of lies.
So he made these claims, and then Andrew Napolitano...
The judge and Fox News guy.
jordan holmes
Giant piece of shit.
dan friesen
He went on Fox News and repeated, essentially, the things that Larry Johnson had said.
jordan holmes
Like a giant piece of shit.
dan friesen
He claimed that there were more sources of it, but it was basically that the thrust of the argument is that the British intelligence agency, GCHQ, had been the one spying and that there's a quid pro quo thing going, We spy on the British, and the British spy on us, and then we trade information.
jordan holmes
Nobody's happy about that.
unidentified
No.
jordan holmes
Nobody wants that.
No.
I think the problem there is we're spying on everybody.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So anyway, let me get through this.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Sorry.
dan friesen
I want to fully discredit this man.
jordan holmes
Good.
dan friesen
So Johnson was the source for Napolitano's claims that he made on Fox News.
The conspiracy theory was later asserted as fact by President Trump, with him citing Fox News and Napolitano.
The British intelligence agency in question, GCHQ, responded, stating that the claims were, quote, Nonsense, utterly ridiculous, and should be ignored.
Fox News later disavowed the statement by Napolitano.
And, since then, Trump has had to apologize to British intelligence.
jordan holmes
Did he actually apologize?
Because he didn't.
dan friesen
He did.
jordan holmes
He did not.
dan friesen
Well, Spicer did.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
unidentified
Right.
jordan holmes
But that counts.
No, it doesn't.
Because here's the other thing.
The reports are that...
Trump had to have Spicer do that, but he has basically said to his staff, we want to keep pushing that narrative, we just don't want it to be official.
Right, right.
Trump still wants that to be the thing that people talk about, rather than the fact that he's made up bullshit, and he's using it as a distraction from the fact that he's full of shit.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
And he's...
Doing shit!
dan friesen
Let's not get distracted from Larry Johnson, because...
jordan holmes
I'm sorry.
dan friesen
That could just be a mistake.
That could just be a thing where he's like, you know, I got the shit wrong.
Alright, fine.
jordan holmes
Trump would never, ever, ever say that.
dan friesen
According to the New York Times, Johnson is, quote, best known for spreading a hoax in 2008 that Michelle Obama had been videotaped using a slur against Caucasians.
In 2008, Johnson emerged as a strong critic of Barack Obama.
His blog, No Quarter USA, often criticized Obama's qualifications to be president.
On May 16, 2008, Johnson posted an item entitled, Will Barack Throw Mama from the Train?, which alleged that a tape existed of Michelle Obama rallying against Whitey at Jeremiah Wright's church.
Johnson claimed that Republicans were in possession of the tape and, quote, it's being held for the fall to drop at the appropriate time.
In a subsequent post, Johnson claimed that Obama's appearance had occurred when she was on a panel with Louis Farrakhan.
He also explained that he himself had not seen the tape, but had spoken with quote, five separate sources who have spoken directly with people who have seen the tape.
jordan holmes
So we're on, what?
Third layer.
Third layer there.
dan friesen
This is a bad CIA operative.
jordan holmes
This is a bad CIA operative.
dan friesen
This is real bad work.
jordan holmes
You should not, if you're a CIA operative, you should have first-hand sources.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Hopefully.
dan friesen
The Obama campaign's Fight the Smears website denied the rumor, saying no such tape exists.
Michelle Obama has not spoken from the pulpit at Trinity and has never used that word.
jordan holmes
Which word?
unidentified
Whitey.
jordan holmes
Whitey?
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
She's used that word.
Fuck, I use that word every...
I was just thinking about what racial slurs she could have.
Cracker?
Honky?
dan friesen
Maybe goofing around.
jordan holmes
Whitey?
Dude, I would call...
Oh, man.
I would love Michelle even more if she went on TV and was like, I am sick of all these honkies talking shit about Barack.
I would love her for that.
dan friesen
My main man, Hussein.
jordan holmes
I would love her for that.
dan friesen
Would you like a coda to this story?
jordan holmes
Yes, please.
dan friesen
No tape was ever released, nor has any other evidence emerged of Michelle Obama using the word Whitey.
On October 21st, 2008, Johnson said that, according to one of his sources, the McCain campaign intervened and requested the tape not be used.
jordan holmes
That is convenient.
That is convenient stuff.
dan friesen
Yeah, sure.
jordan holmes
It really would have torpedoed them if that had gotten out.
dan friesen
Now, that's bad.
jordan holmes
That is bad.
That's some big League Lion right there.
dan friesen
This one's worse.
unidentified
Ooh!
dan friesen
In 2013, Larry Johnson falsely accused John Kerry of war crimes in Vietnam.
jordan holmes
Oh no!
He's that fucker?
dan friesen
He's one of the Swift Boat people.
jordan holmes
Fuck him!
dan friesen
Alleging that Kerry had, quote, raped some poor Vietnamese woman.
To support his claim, Johnson used a YouTube video that contained audio clips from a 1971 debate on the Dick Cavett show between John Kerry and John O 'Neill.
The original interview audio was altered to piece together words that Kerry spoke at different times during the debate.
jordan holmes
No fucking way.
dan friesen
Falsely making it sad as if he said, quote, I personally raped for pleasure.
jordan holmes
What?
dan friesen
When the falsehood was exposed by a reader of Johnson's blog, Johnson deleted the article without apology.
jordan holmes
Fuck you.
dan friesen
What a dick!
jordan holmes
That is such bullshit!
dan friesen
These are the kind of hosts that Alex likes to have on his show.
jordan holmes
God damn it.
dan friesen
When you talk about fake news, that's what it is.
jordan holmes
Yeah, cutting and pasting words to make a sentence is...
dan friesen
Now, to be fair, he didn't...
We can't prove, or even do I think, that he did the cutting and pasting, but he fell for this obvious hoax video.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Now, he did clearly make up the stuff about Michelle Obama.
jordan holmes
Absolutely.
dan friesen
But the damage is way worse.
For the stuff you said about John Kerry.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
To literally accuse someone of war crimes and raping Vietnamese women for pleasure, that's abomination.
jordan holmes
It is.
It is perhaps the worst act of defamation one person can commit.
dan friesen
Absolutely.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And it should preclude you from ever being allowed to be a guest on people's shows when you make prognosticating statements.
But no, Alex has him on for a fucking hour.
jordan holmes
Great.
I'm sure he's got wonderful things that we love to hear.
dan friesen
Yeah, we don't.
We don't need to hear it.
It's all stupid.
Anyway, Alex goes on from there to say some more things about Kim Jong-un.
alex jones
Look at Kim Jong-un in that photo.
jordan holmes
Oh, look at him.
alex jones
The arrogance, the fake confidence.
What is it about wimps that sit there and act like...
And look at the brainwashed slaves behind him who think he's God.
They literally think he's a rock star.
He's a big dick!
It's like folks who think movie stars are cool.
jordan holmes
Folks do think movie stars are cool.
The North too, they are forced.
The North Korean people don't have a choice.
They are forced.
If you don't, you go to a labor camp.
Do you want to go to a labor camp, Dan?
dan friesen
I don't.
jordan holmes
Then if Kim Jong-un walks by, you'd best think he's a rock star.
dan friesen
Right.
And I don't like the idea that he's making the argument, first of all, that people are choosing to do this.
And then second, that it is the...
Only possible outcome of socialism or communism.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
That's bizarre.
But be that as it may, he very, very inappropriately weaves it into our American politics system.
alex jones
Just because they're in movies.
If he loves money's music, that's great, but there's just this worship for no reason.
Look at the cult-like crying like Democrats when they found out Hillary lost.
Just look at how they worshipped Hillary.
Another slug.
jordan holmes
I don't think that's why we were super sad.
alex jones
This is slavery.
This is pathetic.
This is mindlessness.
You don't hunt any birds, any lizards, anything in North Korea.
Everything's been eaten.
jordan holmes
Whoa!
dan friesen
I love that.
jordan holmes
Everything's been eaten in North Korea?
dan friesen
It's again back to that...
jordan holmes
No wildlife at all!
dan friesen
It's again back to that...
jordan holmes
It's a barren, nightmarish hellscape with no food.
It's like the book The Road.
dan friesen
Every communist country that he references, it's like every pet has been eaten and shit like that.
We referenced this on a past episode.
He was talking about how in Venezuela, everyone's eaten all the zoo animals.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's right.
dan friesen
I did some research into that, actually, after we recorded.
I should have done it before we recorded.
But the reality is...
jordan holmes
Like you don't do enough research.
dan friesen
I do too much.
But the reality is that there's one city where they had repeated break-ins and there were just people who were eating the animals there.
It wasn't like a widespread everywhere around the country.
Everyone's eating the animals!
It was just clearly one group in this city kept breaking in and like stealing a pig.
Or they'd steal a horse.
jordan holmes
Oh!
dan friesen
That was what was going on.
jordan holmes
I see...
dan friesen
Granted, the food situation is bad.
jordan holmes
No matter what happens, if you say somebody broke into a zoo to eat animals, I am just imagining somebody like Wile E. Coyote with fucking saliva dripping from their mouths going like, Oh, I want to eat that elephant.
I want to eat that elephant so bad.
dan friesen
The way this story made it sound, it sounded like they broke in, they found a horse.
And then they barbecued it at the zoo.
So, like, I'm not entirely sure what all of the details are.
jordan holmes
A zebra walks by and has a camera take, like, what?
dan friesen
There's a zebra with a phone.
He's like, world star, world star.
jordan holmes
What kind of zoo has a horse?
You know what?
That's a great point.
You know what?
That's me living in a first world life where our zoos have fucking llamas.
Sure.
And lemmings and lemurs.
I have run out of lions.
dan friesen
Gibbon?
jordan holmes
Nope.
dan friesen
All of my zoo animals start with L. A gibbon is one of the greatest animals of all time because it's a monkey that is capable of breakiation.
jordan holmes
To the listeners, Dan is...
dan friesen
Pantomiming breakiation.
jordan holmes
Pantomiming.
dan friesen
That's that thing where apes are able to swing limb from limb through tree branches.
Monkeys aren't able to do that.
It's something that only apes are able to do.
unidentified
Okay.
dan friesen
But a gibbon is a monkey that is able to do it, which is really cool.
jordan holmes
That is really cool.
dan friesen
Anyway, this has been another edition of Things I Remember from College!
Another new segment of ours.
So, I'm glad we could have some fun there, because this next clip is not.
jordan holmes
Great.
dan friesen
This is a clip where Alex Jones explains what is going to happen in North Korea.
jordan holmes
Oh no!
I don't think he knows.
dan friesen
He is really, really out of shape about that.
Well, in general, but also he's bent out of shape.
jordan holmes
Oh, man.
Low blow.
dan friesen
I think that my slight cold that I've got going on now is making me a little weird.
So if I'm a little off this episode, I apologize.
jordan holmes
If we're a little bit on the low blow side, if we're playing some Bush League baseball here, we're both slightly punchy.
Yeah, that's true.
dan friesen
But this is...
He's just gotten done talking about how North Korea has got to be taken care of and Rex Tillerson is fucking awesome because he recognizes that.
jordan holmes
Oh, that fucking pile of shit.
dan friesen
And then now I'm going to...
This is a bit of a longer clip, but we've got to let it play for a little while before we interrupt it because he's going to get into a nightmarish scenario that he seems pretty cool with.
jordan holmes
If Rex Tillerson was in It's a Wonderful Life, God, we would all just watch him die.
dan friesen
Probably.
jordan holmes
And it would be amazing.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Rex Tillerson is the banker that everybody should fucking...
I hate him so much.
dan friesen
He's the worst.
jordan holmes
He's a fucking garbage human being.
alex jones
Yeah.
Let me, from a military history, tell you how this will go.
dan friesen
Also, Alex Jones is a military historian.
jordan holmes
Yeah, we knew that.
alex jones
If it kicks off.
It can go three different ways, and they're each really drawn out, so let me just try to crystallize them as best I can.
They start loading what appears to be an atomic payload.
They've got sensors.
In space that can scan and tell them.
They start loading a radioactive payload onto one of those missiles.
And the phone call is going to go to President Trump, who's got the media and everybody attacking him constantly about, you know, he wasn't spied on or all this made-up crap or, you know, he's not getting the economy going, all these other lies or whatever.
Or he didn't release his tax returns.
Well, we're busy dealing with that.
And our sellout globalist leftists that have sold us out to communist China and think they're going to defeat this country.
Trump can get the call today, tomorrow, next month, whenever.
Skip this break, this is too important.
And they can say, Mr. President, we've got the scans, they're loading.
They're going to go nuclear.
Six missiles, six medium-range rockets with atomic payloads.
They reportedly have hydrogen bombs now.
Maybe it's a...
jordan holmes
He doesn't know the difference.
alex jones
Hydrogen bomb.
jordan holmes
Doesn't know the difference.
No clue.
alex jones
The president makes the decision.
They've already had the meetings.
All right.
Go ahead and launch.
And then it'll be five minutes until the cruise missiles hit them.
And it'll be about 15 minutes until secondary hydrogen bombs get dropped on them.
And they're going to hit the entire line between South and North Korea where they've got those 100,000 artillery pieces and where they've got their troops.
The word is North Korea's only got about 10 nukes.
And so the entire front of North Korea is going to probably get hit with, depending on the size of the bombs or nuclear weapons they use, it could be hundreds of nuclear weapons will be used.
Small nuclear weapons to wipe out the tunnels, the bases, to neutralize them.
And then if troops pour across, they're going to hit them with larger weapons.
That's how it escalates.
And then they'll start dropping the 500 megaton bombs on them.
It'll destroy the whole country.
And so right now, there's over 1,000 nuclear weapons just on a group of ships pointed at North Korea.
Of course, you know where the rest are really pointed.
Right now, most of the missiles aren't aimed at Russia.
They've been swung around for years, and they're aimed right at China.
jordan holmes
To the Chinese!
alex jones
They're aimed right at China right now.
jordan holmes
So the point of this...
alex jones
Space-based weapons, you name it.
And I'm not saying any secrets here.
I've reverse-engineered it.
Plus, I have all the sources over the years.
dan friesen
That again is him saying, I'm just making this up.
jordan holmes
The point of this is...
dan friesen
I've reverse engineered this.
jordan holmes
Because maybe a bad thing could happen...
Never distract the president by pointing out he's a liar.
Don't ever do it.
He would be distracted because you guys are all talking about how he's lying about this.
unidentified
Fake news.
jordan holmes
Or he didn't release his tax returns.
Or he raped that girl.
Or he watched all those underage girls change.
Or he's a rapist.
Or he's a rapist.
How many times has he raped people?
He's a rapist.
dan friesen
I know he's moved in like a bitch.
jordan holmes
Don't point out that shit because what if North Korea does a thing?
dan friesen
Well, North Korea is always doing a thing.
jordan holmes
North Korea is...
I swear to God, I will...
This is going to be...
dan friesen
I'm not saying they're not a threat, but I do think that this...
First of all, this fantasy...
This J slash O fantasy he's in.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Like, it's very scary, and I don't think anyone wants this outcome.
unidentified
No.
dan friesen
It really sounds like he does.
jordan holmes
He wants...
Because...
But if something that big happens, that's another notch in his belt of, see, I told you so.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
Like, any time a thing like that...
dan friesen
Compared to the 50,000 CIA didn't tell you so.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
But again, I still think...
And this is going to be the thing, like, 20 years from now when we all have webbed feet and hands, people are going to be like, Jordan was an idiot for saying this.
But I still don't think North Korea is an actual threat to anybody.
I think they're silly.
And I think without China providing them food and shit...
They're dead.
dan friesen
But that's why the news are also pointed at China.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that doesn't make any goddamn...
Alright, alright.
dan friesen
Alex actually has more to say.
jordan holmes
Wait, wait.
It's bad.
dan friesen
Wait for Alex to finish.
jordan holmes
Everybody dies.
Have they not seen the movie War Games?
dan friesen
I think Alex is totally fine with that.
jordan holmes
Okay, that's a good point.
alex jones
In 1979, they had over 100 drones continually orbiting the Earth.
With DU shabo rounds, or basically meteor guns.
Now, they're not atomic.
They're not nuclear.
They're not hydrogen bombs or atomic bombs.
They are shabos of a classified nature that go into orbit at 15,000 miles an hour with a rocket booster and accelerate to up to 40,000 miles an hour when they hit their target.
You can be 10 miles under a mountain.
You're dead.
No holes deep enough.
And again, you've got to be under a mountain because that's cool.
You go a mile under at sea level, it's 150 degrees.
So you're under a mountain, you're not safe.
Nobody's safe.
And that was 1979.
That's the superiority of the United States, ladies and gentlemen.
And that's what they've got.
And they've got advanced stuff up there.
Huge weapons platforms.
Japanese amateur astronomers are always showing them.
They're just basically big floating bases.
Not like those tinker toys they put up at the International Space Station.
They've got military bases that are basically big...
Big platforms with particle beams.
jordan holmes
Like in the movie The Avengers?
alex jones
Tiny pebble projectors that also basically shoot hundreds of thousands of BBs every few seconds out because in space they don't slow down.
Get missiles when they're coming out.
jordan holmes
Not how that works.
alex jones
BB guns up there.
That's what they are.
They're BB guns, basically.
dan friesen
He's describing like Star Wars technology.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's none of that.
Makes any sense.
Or would even be possible in 1979.
dan friesen
It's all Reagan's wet dream.
jordan holmes
Yeah, no, that's all made up.
Remember whenever we found out that was all made up because it's impossible?
dan friesen
Remember when we spent billions of dollars not making it?
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Hey, wouldn't it be great if we had a space-age gun that was in space that could fire bullets?
Yeah, but it would be traveling very, very fast and it would be hard to target anything.
dan friesen
There's nothing to...
jordan holmes
No, God!
Guns in space!
Guns in space!
dan friesen
Can't anchor things in space.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
No, just have it shoot at this place.
Sir, that's...
Okay.
Well, one...
dan friesen
That's insane.
jordan holmes
Let's start with the theory of relativity.
dan friesen
All right.
jordan holmes
It's going to be sent at the different distance, at the different speed, and traveling at a different rate of time than the other shit.
If you think you're actually going to hit anything with...
Any accuracy from a made-up gun in space in 1979, you're fucking ridiculous.
dan friesen
Even now, it's dubious.
jordan holmes
It's still not possible.
dan friesen
But in 79, especially.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
No.
Stupid.
unidentified
Dumb.
jordan holmes
Stupid dumb.
Dumb stupid.
dan friesen
We gotta get through the rest of this where Alex goes on to sort of threaten the Chinese.
jordan holmes
Great.
Great.
Glad to know he's on our side.
alex jones
And they're just...
I mean, imagine hundreds of BB guns aiming at the...
Missiles that are going to come out of Russia, come out of China.
And so they're going to take those out.
They're going to fire cruise missiles in.
And of course, here's the newsflash.
I'm just going to go ahead and tell you, because I know history and I've studied it.
If North Korea moves, China has already been given the call that if you move anything or anything looks like it's warming up on a pad or any submarines pop up.
In the Pacific Ocean, in the Gulf of Mexico, or in the Atlantic Ocean, we're going to have total commitment at that point.
Space-based weapons are going to kill your entire city center's population.
jordan holmes
There we go.
dan friesen
He's describing, essentially, the worst tragedy that could ever befall the world.
jordan holmes
He's describing one-seventh of the population dying tomorrow.
dan friesen
He's describing an insane war crime.
jordan holmes
So what he's saying is that...
If North Korea does anything, all of China, a billion people will die.
dan friesen
All the city centers.
jordan holmes
All of them.
dan friesen
All of them.
jordan holmes
Dead.
Indiscriminately.
Civilians.
dan friesen
Children.
jordan holmes
Women.
dan friesen
Men.
jordan holmes
Rich people.
Poor people.
Everyone.
dan friesen
Let the man speak his piece.
jordan holmes
I'm sorry.
alex jones
They're not going to play games with China.
They're going to kill everybody.
jordan holmes
Okay, good.
alex jones
Just understand that.
China...
The communist leaders made jokes about how, oh, we got so many people, go ahead and hit us.
You're going to get hit like you want.
jordan holmes
Who's going to make that joke?
alex jones
Every military target, every city, every factory, you're going to have 10,000 weapons dropped on you.
And by the way, it's going to be a nuclear winner.
But I mean, look, leftists want to worship China.
They want to worship North Korea.
They want to worship Venezuela.
dan friesen
No, we don't.
alex jones
They want nuclear war.
They're going to get it.
jordan holmes
No, we don't.
alex jones
Because here's why.
We're not going to sit here while you launch missiles first and you catch us with your pants down because you're a bunch of crazy commies.
You understand?
dan friesen
No.
alex jones
Now, Curtis LeMay wanted to hit China and Russia a long time ago and got vetoed on it.
And he had people like Bertrand Russell, the big liberals, calling for it, wanting to one-world government.
Those plans got killed because they were immoral.
We're dealing with people that are running around, taking over land, threatening to attack us, and saying they're going to nuke us and China's behind it because they're a bunch of belligerent, crazy commies.
jordan holmes
So we got to...
Kill everybody in China.
alex jones
That's one way I can go.
jordan holmes
That makes sense.
dan friesen
So that was one of the three scenarios that he sees playing out.
Right.
jordan holmes
Total human destruction.
The end of all human life is one of the scenarios he sees playing out.
dan friesen
And that's the one he spends certainly the most time talking about.
jordan holmes
Strange.
dan friesen
And he certainly seems to be thrilled about that.
jordan holmes
But, by the way, you should also buy the survival...
dan friesen
Sure, get those wipes.
jordan holmes
You know what?
Get underneath your desk.
Get these survival packs.
You will make it through a nuclear winter just fine.
dan friesen
He's got all the freeze-dried food you could possibly need, and also now he's started selling gun holsters.
jordan holmes
And you know what?
You're not going to be very horny, what with the destruction of all human beings.
dan friesen
Fair enough.
jordan holmes
You know what you're going to need to get it up and repopulate the human race?
dan friesen
What's that?
jordan holmes
Super male vitality!
dan friesen
Sets the mood.
jordan holmes
And I hope you don't want osteoporosis to set in.
Do you know how you stop that?
dan friesen
Bone pills?
jordan holmes
Bone pills!
You fuck bones!
dan friesen
Alright, here's his other scenarios.
alex jones
Could, basically, who's under Chinese control, could actually fold and announce a deal to work with the South, like East Germany did, to merge with it.
And that horrible family dynasty can be removed, and those entire sickening groups of oppressive generals can all be told they can leave to abstentiate wherever they like and take their stolen loot.
So there doesn't have to be a nuclear war.
Just let them leave.
And then send international aid and stabilize the country of those poor victims.
China can back off now.
jordan holmes
Yes, those poor victims that we would kill.
alex jones
And China can recuse itself from what it's been doing and understand that you might be able to fight with the South China Sea.
You're not going to get to start a nuclear war and not get hit first.
So, the United States is massively more advanced than China, and China needs to understand that traitors inside our government gave you nicks.
That shows how crazy this whole thing is, and I know that China's been testing anti-satellite weapons and particle beams and missiles, and they've already blown up some of our satellites.
So I understand China's got some of its own weapons, and they've got some smart people.
It's just to understand this, that China has no idea what's going to get rolled out against you, or how huge the secret space program is.
And all the stuff that's been going on for a long time.
So, just look.
The United States and Europe basically invented everything.
dan friesen
Not true.
jordan holmes
Not true.
alex jones
And everybody over there needs to understand.
Globalist man captured Europe.
They made a deal with China.
dan friesen
It's so frustrating.
jordan holmes
What kind of jerk-off fantasy is that?
That's disgusting.
dan friesen
Have you ever looked into...
jordan holmes
That's a man saying...
How do you even say...
We're not going to let you start a nuclear war because we're going to strike first.
That's you saying, we're going to start a nuclear war.
dan friesen
All these poor victims.
Again, you're using that language of people who could be helped by humanitarian aid, but if things go wrong, we're going to kill all of them.
All of them.
It's not okay.
jordan holmes
No!
dan friesen
None of that is okay.
jordan holmes
None of it even makes any sense.
His foreign policy would get all of us murdered.
Immediately.
dan friesen
Even if we agreed that the Chinese government was our enemy.
Even if we agreed with that.
jordan holmes
Which we don't.
dan friesen
The idea of killing all of their people is disgusting.
jordan holmes
It's...
You know what?
Here's the thing.
dan friesen
And this is why I needed to play that clip through, because it's not...
We're not taking that out of context.
He's not saying...
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
He's not saying something that, like...
jordan holmes
He's openly advocating the murder of...
Billions of people.
dan friesen
Not advocating, but just saying that this is the most likely scenario and we're justified in doing it, and we're not.
We're absolutely not.
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
It's horrifying.
jordan holmes
It is something of a teachable situation now for the American people to go, like, you shouldn't attack us because our president and our government is fucking insane.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
We're people.
Do you know how we've treated so many other countries?
Because their government is insane, we're like, oh, well, that's fine if we kill their people.
Their people are the enemy.
And it's not.
dan friesen
Hopefully we'll be able to come out the other end.
jordan holmes
If we get attacked for Trump, we're all going to rightfully be like, no, dude, we did everything.
We don't want that.
dan friesen
Oh, I get it now.
jordan holmes
Oh, you know what?
It's exactly like that.
It's exactly like fucking Red Dawn.
Like, the whole point.
Is look at the point of view of somebody being invaded.
Wouldn't you be on their side?
Isn't it all about you being like, hey, these fuckers invading us are bad, right?
So think about that for two seconds.
Maybe when you're invading somebody, you're the bad guy.
You consider that?
Maybe you're the bad guy.
dan friesen
Think about that as a possibility.
jordan holmes
America is the bad guy now.
We were the bad guy a while back, but we could pretend not.
Now we are 100% the bad guy.
dan friesen
Agreed.
Also, Jordan, have you ever looked into the secret space program that Alex is talking about?
jordan holmes
I have not looked into the secret space program.
dan friesen
I highly recommend.
jordan holmes
Because the budget is not there for even a regular space program.
dan friesen
I would love for us to, if people donate to the show and shit, I would love for us to do some bonus episodes about...
Like Project Camelot?
jordan holmes
Project Camelot?
dan friesen
Have you ever heard of them?
jordan holmes
No, of course not.
dan friesen
They have a YouTube...
jordan holmes
I've heard of regular Camelot.
dan friesen
There's this lady...
jordan holmes
King Arthur, Lancelot, Galahad, Guinevere, the whole shebang.
dan friesen
There's this lady who does interviews with people who claim to have...
You know, contact with aliens and shit like that.
And she's interviewed a number of people.
I can't remember anyone's name except for this guy named Andrew Basiago.
jordan holmes
Because that's the name you remember.
dan friesen
He sticks out in my head because it's a fun name.
It's a fun name.
Because he claims that when he was younger, he was in this secret program that involved time travel and Stargates.
And when he was younger, he time traveled with Barack Obama.
jordan holmes
I want to meet this man.
I want to meet this man.
I want to marry him.
I want to discover his secrets.
And then I'll find out that it's a lot like that movie where that lady married a time traveler.
dan friesen
The time traveler's wife?
jordan holmes
The time traveler's wife.
dan friesen
He also claims that he's like a half-dolphin warrior, which I don't exactly know what that means.
jordan holmes
And you can't disprove.
unidentified
I can't.
jordan holmes
You can't disprove that.
There would have to be some kind of new genetic test for that.
dan friesen
I know that Alex thinks he has better sources.
But he doesn't.
jordan holmes
He does not.
dan friesen
These are the people who have come forward and say, like, I was part of this secret space program.
We have time travel technology.
If you listen to this Project Camelot, they interview these people for like two hours.
unidentified
Jesus.
dan friesen
And because they are so...
What's the word?
On board?
It's just they tell these bizarre, obviously not true stories.
There's no grilling going on.
jordan holmes
Does it seem like they believe the stories?
dan friesen
Sometimes, yeah.
I think Andrew Basiago believes the stories he's telling.
jordan holmes
And, you know, what's the edge between you need help and you actually time-traveled with Barack Obama?
dan friesen
Well, the edge is that didn't happen.
jordan holmes
Okay, that's the edge?
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
All right.
dan friesen
The needing help thing is...
jordan holmes
I want to be supportive?
dan friesen
If people didn't believe based on these people, these...
Clearly insane people's word that there was a secret space program that involved colonies in space and time travel and shit like that.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
If people didn't believe them, then they wouldn't need help.
If they were just sitting alone in their house and they believed those things and they just had this fun fantasy that they were living, that's fine.
Maybe it's not the most gratifying existence, but you do what you do.
jordan holmes
The difference between winding up in a mental institution and not is having a syndicated radio show.
dan friesen
Or being allowed on a slightly popular alien-based YouTube channel.
jordan holmes
Yeah, exactly.
dan friesen
Anyway, this episode goes on.
We have another long clip coming up, but in the meantime, we have a couple of short clips insulting Angela Merkel.
alex jones
Let's get back to the really important news here.
That's just the German traitor that opened him up to the whole UN plan to colonize Europe with Muslims.
And now Turkey says, we're in a holy war.
We have a group that will burn down everything inside your cities if you don't submit.
And Merkel's literally saying, yes, submit to Turkey.
See, she's allied with the Muslims, folks.
What a pathetic scumbag.
dan friesen
Nope.
jordan holmes
None of that's true.
dan friesen
Not true.
jordan holmes
Merkel's very much not that.
dan friesen
Here's another quote.
alex jones
The globalists trying to bully Russia into giving up its sovereignty.
Not happening.
The United States, not happening.
Because we have President Trump.
dan friesen
That might be an unfortunate sentence.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Linking Russian sovereignty and American sovereignty to Trump.
unidentified
Oh, boy.
jordan holmes
Very revealing.
alex jones
Oh, here it is.
A press conference ongoing.
Trump doesn't shake hands with Merkel during photo op.
They're getting ready to have their press conference.
That's up on DrudgeReport.com and Infowars.com, as well as our backup site, PresidentPlanet.com.
President Trump did not extend his hand to shake German Chancellor Merkel's Friday Oval Office, a courtesy he usually extends to foreign leaders, who is in the White House.
Well, she is literally an Islamicist agent.
So, I mean, he really shouldn't do that, right?
dan friesen
Literally is a tough word there.
jordan holmes
What a prick!
dan friesen
What a prick.
jordan holmes
That's unbelievable.
Un-fucking-fathomable.
Yep.
Also...
Boy, I don't know if there's anything more indicative of how we view Trump than Merkel's face.
dan friesen
That video is so uncomfortable.
jordan holmes
Not just the one where they didn't shake hands and Trump looked like a fucking four-year-old crying like a little bitch.
dan friesen
The fucking press and Merkel both being like, do you want to have a handshake?
jordan holmes
Yeah, and him just being like, now I'm doing fucking Alex Jones.
No, him being Trump.
In that Trump is a giant pussy.
But the face that she made, there are those pictures you see of the face she made once Trump said, you were wiretapped by Obama.
I guess that's something we have in common.
When she turns and looks at him with that face of pure rage and hatred of like, even I know you're a...
I'm a fucking liar about that.
I don't even need...
You're lying, and I'm here standing next to you, giving you some sort of platform to continue lying about this.
dan friesen
I'm forced because of the office to stand here.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
Which is...
dan friesen
He could do such irreparable damage to our standing.
jordan holmes
He's already done irreparable damage.
dan friesen
But hopefully, like, if we can get him in peace.
jordan holmes
Not him.
Not him.
We have.
dan friesen
That's us.
jordan holmes
Most of us voted for that fuckface, and that's because of all this shit.
No, that's true.
Good point.
Not even a plurality voted for that fuckface.
And because of the weird rules of our fucking dumb country, now we have him.
And we're done.
We're done.
We're done.
dan friesen
We have one extremely long clip we've got to get to.
jordan holmes
Okay, I'll try not to shout at everybody through it.
dan friesen
But before we do that, I have to skip one of these clips.
It's about how a laptop was stolen from a Secret Service car.
jordan holmes
I remember that.
dan friesen
That included the blueprints and escape plans for the Trump Tower.
Alex pretends that this is Obama's doing.
jordan holmes
Of course.
dan friesen
And that it's Obama's people.
It's a false flag.
He's like, I gotta go inside job on this one.
jordan holmes
Makes perfect sense.
dan friesen
That's a great quote for you.
I looked into it and it turns out that every Secret Service computer is deeply encrypted so no one could get any information off of it.
And every laptop that is owned by the Secret Service, every device that is owned by the Secret Service can be wiped remotely.
jordan holmes
Oh.
dan friesen
So if it is something that is in hands that they can't get back, they've already wiped it.
jordan holmes
That's really smart.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Because they're the Secret Service.
jordan holmes
It's almost like they have half an idea what they're doing.
dan friesen
They have contingency plans.
jordan holmes
Interesting.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So that's a non-story.
jordan holmes
Good.
dan friesen
Whoever stole it doesn't have the blueprints to Trump Tower.
jordan holmes
You know what?
dan friesen
Just because it was on the computer.
jordan holmes
You know what I like about that?
That is both competent and not aggressive.
I like it when those two things go together.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Defense is a strong offense.
Now this...
Why'd you stare at me?
jordan holmes
I don't know.
I didn't know what to say back to that.
dan friesen
So now this clip is just fun.
We already know the conclusion of it, but it is just illustrating again how biased Alex is about Trump.
jordan holmes
Okay.
alex jones
I worry about Trump so much.
It was almost like good when he did something wrong.
Like, oh, he's not perfect.
I won't feel as bad if something happens because he was halfway supporting the Paul Ryan plan, which is now falling apart, and Rand Paul's is going to the top.
That's great.
I mean, it's just crazy how good he is.
And then to see the lies, it hurts me.
And I'm not actually glad he's done some things that aren't perfect.
It's just like almost you're expecting something bad.
You're expecting him to compromise or something.
He just doesn't do it.
jordan holmes
Or for him to be a rapist.
alex jones
And then doesn't shake Merkel's hand.
That's even better.
dan friesen
Yikes.
jordan holmes
Oh boy.
dan friesen
Yeah.
You expect him to compromise and then he doesn't do it.
That's awesome.
No, we do expect him to compromise.
jordan holmes
That's kind of the game.
dan friesen
100% we expect him to.
jordan holmes
It's a big part of the game.
dan friesen
100% I personally expect my leader to recognize that we live within a world.
jordan holmes
Do you mean a world with differing opinions and backgrounds?
dan friesen
And that we don't have control of other countries.
jordan holmes
Cultural ideas.
dan friesen
Yes, 100%.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that whole thing.
dan friesen
I think there's a...
jordan holmes
And that we have to find a way to live together?
dan friesen
There are cultural compromises that need to be made.
And that's what tolerance is really about.
This point's been made a thousand fucking times.
But tolerance isn't for things that you're okay with.
Tolerance is for things that you tolerate.
So, like, whenever you talk about tolerating North Korea and shit like that, I'm against Kim Jong-un now and Il before.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
But I'm fine.
jordan holmes
I'm against all the Kim Jongs.
dan friesen
I'm fine tolerating it as a situation in the world.
jordan holmes
And I'm only halfway okay with Ken Jeong.
The doctor?
Just because it's close.
dan friesen
Yeah.
But that's what tolerating is.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Is that I'm against this thing.
I accept it as a place in the world.
We're not able to really solve the situation without the nuclear war that Alex described earlier.
And that would be a much unpreferred option.
So we tolerate the situation as it is now until such a time a better opportunity arises for us to fix things.
That's what tolerance is about.
That's what compromise is about.
jordan holmes
It is such a mind-bogglingly complicated situation.
Like people mad at the Iran deal, the nuclear Iran deal.
dan friesen
We gave them money.
jordan holmes
Yeah, and it's like...
dan friesen
It was their money.
unidentified
It makes so much sense.
jordan holmes
It's such a perfect...
The encapsulation of, here's the bad thing.
Here's another bad thing.
Here's another bad thing.
Here's a good thing.
We can't do that one either.
We're trying not to do all the bad things.
Here's what we're going to do.
The best possible thing that we can to get the best possible outcome that we know of.
Yeah.
unidentified
Like all of the times, like the, the thing about those outcomes that should be way more amazing to people than is, is regularly thought about is how the law of unintended consequences is not bad in those situations.
jordan holmes
Like the, The unintended consequences of that deal are really negligible.
Right?
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Like, there's the fear from us on the, or the fear from the right in the United States of, like, whatever it is they say.
dan friesen
They're going to get nukes.
jordan holmes
Yeah, they're barking and nonsense.
dan friesen
They're going to destroy Israel.
jordan holmes
And then there's the fear of the hard right in Iran, which is full on, like, holy war, they're coming to kill us.
But overall, it's just everybody, on the most part, has been like, oh, this is probably good.
This is probably okay.
And nobody's gone crazy.
If you go too far in either direction in that deal, everybody's fucked.
dan friesen
Each side legitimately gets what their primary goal is.
Yeah.
We get Iran, you can't have nukes.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
We got that with this deal.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
They wanted the ability to create sustainable and powerful energy sources.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
And they wanted their money that we stole from them back.
And they got those things.
jordan holmes
So it's kind of like a prisoner's dilemma situation.
dan friesen
But it doesn't solve everything.
jordan holmes
Or an articulated prisoner's dilemma is probably the better way to put it.
dan friesen
If you want to look at it through the prism of game theory, maybe that's a negative one outcome.
Right?
jordan holmes
I would say that's probably a...
I would say that's a plus one, plus one outcome.
dan friesen
Listen.
Here's the argument I want to make.
I think it's possible it's a negative one, negative one outcome.
If you look at it through the prism of people who, like, the Iranians who want nukes, this is a negative one outcome for them.
jordan holmes
Well, that's a negative a thousand outcome for them.
dan friesen
But just hear me out.
jordan holmes
I'm hearing you out.
dan friesen
From our end, too, the people who want to go to war with them and don't want them to have any capability, this is a negative one outcome for them.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Or they just want us to impose our will on them to not have nukes.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
That's still a negative one outcome for them.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
Now, the reality is...
One of the other outcomes is out and out war.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
And that's a negative 20 outcome for both of us.
So a negative one outcome is super preferable.
jordan holmes
If we're playing D&D, that is a critical failure.
dan friesen
But it's a super preferable scenario.
People don't realize that sometimes a slight loss is a huge win.
When we talk about this North Korea shit...
jordan holmes
It's still not a slight loss.
dan friesen
But it appears to be, is what I'm saying.
jordan holmes
To them, yes.
dan friesen
You have that negative one connotation to it.
And it's the same thing with putting up with North Korea.
And it sucks that the people there are living in the terrible conditions they are.
Right.
We should never turn a blind eye to that.
We should never make that okay.
But the outcome of us fighting with them is way worse.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
It is way, way worse.
Because Kim Jong-un, Kim Jong-il as well, before he died.
Had no compunction about the idea of killing his own civilians.
Nope.
jordan holmes
I mean, well, we're not even fucking dealing with Syria.
We're part of the problem in Syria.
dan friesen
Absolutely.
jordan holmes
We bombed a mosque the other night.
You look at fucking Eritrea, which has got the same basic political situation as North Korea, but because they're not...
dan friesen
Such a preferable pronunciation to Eritrea.
jordan holmes
Eritrea.
Because they're not fucking nuclear capable, or at least they're not protected by China.
Nobody fucking gives a shit.
We can't...
Do all the stuff.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
And what we focus our energy on...
dan friesen
Jordan, we're in the weeds.
jordan holmes
Everybody's trying their best except for people who work for and with Trump.
It seems like they're doing everything possible to screw everybody.
dan friesen
Yep.
Look, let's get out of the weeds.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
We've got to get to this last clip.
jordan holmes
Dude, we've got to stop being policy wonks.
dan friesen
Oh, we're such wonks.
This last clip is long as shit.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
But it's worth it, because it is...
jordan holmes
Fucking strap in.
dan friesen
This, to me, is a rollercoaster ride that I could...
Alex at one point says that he could teach a college course about what's going on.
I guarantee I could teach a college course about this clip.
unidentified
Okay.
dan friesen
Actually, I couldn't.
jordan holmes
Are we gonna...
How many...
dan friesen
I couldn't, but I can sum it up in one sentence.
jordan holmes
Okay.
How many interruptions do I get?
dan friesen
You want to put him on the board?
jordan holmes
I think we should put him on the board.
That way, in the back of my mind, I'm like, is this worth an interruption?
dan friesen
You get three.
jordan holmes
I get three?
dan friesen
Fuck!
jordan holmes
I knew you were going to go with the three strikes roll.
dan friesen
All right, go four.
Just because I don't like baseball.
That's boring.
jordan holmes
All right.
dan friesen
Anyway, this clip starts with Alex still mad about Alec Baldwin.
jordan holmes
Of course!
dan friesen
And again, this is a week later.
jordan holmes
This is a week later.
A delight, yes.
dan friesen
So he's still mad about that, and he's complaining, but then he gets interrupted by one of his producers, and chaos ensues.
jordan holmes
No, he gets interrupted?
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
And does the whole place burn down?
dan friesen
It's a madhouse.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
It's great.
jordan holmes
Okay.
alex jones
They're just all over the news in newspaper comment sections going, why does Alex Jones think blacks aren't humans?
Why does Alex Jones think that...
Why it's your superior?
Because Alec Baldwin, to more than 10 million viewers, that's what the ratings are out, that's a big audience.
dan friesen
By the way, when he was last complaining about Saturday Night Live, he was like, they have a million viewers.
jordan holmes
Now it's 10 million.
dan friesen
Because he wants to play the victim hard.
jordan holmes
Of course.
dan friesen
10 million people saw him slander me.
jordan holmes
Yeah, well, whenever it's no big deal, it's, oh, it's only a million people saw him.
Whenever I'm the victim, 10 million people think this!
dan friesen
Yeah, that doesn't count for one of your interruptions.
jordan holmes
I know!
alex jones
Told a bunch of suggestible, dumb people that I told Donald Trump that blacks aren't human.
That was Alec Baldwin, that was not the president, and I did not say that.
dan friesen
We all know.
alex jones
And I know our audience goes, yeah, tell us something we don't know, Alex.
Is that a joke?
No, people believe it!
That's why I'm angry at Alec Baldwin!
I wouldn't read something like that.
I wouldn't get up on air if they paid me all that money and say lies about Alec Baldwin.
I would not say Alec Baldwin is a serial rapist.
dan friesen
He just comes up with his own lies.
jordan holmes
Yeah, he's very clearly...
dan friesen
I think I might have cut right at the wrong time.
jordan holmes
He doesn't need help on that one.
dan friesen
Hold on.
alex jones
Wasn't true?
unidentified
Hey, Alex, this is Nico popping in on air.
We were just given a clip by Kit with a New York Times writer insinuating that we are the progenitors of the wiretapping story and that Trump picked it up from us.
alex jones
Whoa, whoa, whoa.
We have the New York Times January 20th on inauguration when they said wiretap in the headline, and that's where Trump got that from, plus it's admitted.
Wow, next level.
I just...
They bragged when he was president-elect that they were surveilling him.
In a flashback, New York Times admits wiretaps used against Trump.
Adan Salazar has screenshots of it.
Scroll down, yeah.
dan friesen
This story is from the 19th.
Wait, what?
jordan holmes
I'm confused.
So the producer comes on and he says, the New York Times is saying that Infowars is a progenitor.
Of the idea.
dan friesen
Yes.
Why Trump tweeted all that stuff.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
Which was based on a Breitbart article.
jordan holmes
Right.
Not necessarily that.
dan friesen
But they were saying that Infowars pushed this stuff.
Which they did.
We're going to get to the CNN interview in question.
He's going to play it and do some of his trademark media criticism.
unidentified
Right.
jordan holmes
But right now he's saying it's next level because...
dan friesen
The New York Times.
jordan holmes
Because they're accusing him of fake news or because they're attributing what he knows is the truth.
To him.
dan friesen
He's so dumb that he thinks he's being gaslit.
Like, he doesn't understand.
Like, earlier, this is why I wanted to make a big point of that McDonald's piece.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
He didn't read the article.
jordan holmes
Of course not.
dan friesen
He just read the headline and teed off on it.
He didn't know what the context was.
He thought it was Obama's old guy, Gibbs.
jordan holmes
Mr. Gibbs!
dan friesen
And then he just created an entirely false narrative about the story.
When he started reading it on air, he realized, ah, shit.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
This is a situation where there is a headline on the January 19th issue of the New York Times.
jordan holmes
January 19th?
dan friesen
Yeah.
This goes back that far.
unidentified
Okay.
jordan holmes
So it's breaking news to them?
unidentified
Listen.
jordan holmes
All right.
unidentified
I'm sorry.
jordan holmes
I'm sorry.
I'm getting you bogged down.
unidentified
Let's not get bogged down.
dan friesen
Let's let Alex play it out and try and figure out the case, and then I will come in like Hercule Poirot.
unidentified
Okay.
jordan holmes
I would have gone with Nick and Nora, but fine.
Let's do that.
dan friesen
How dare you?
I'm a Belgian and I'm proud.
I don't know if I'm Belgian.
alex jones
Yeah, let's put that full screen for folks in HD for TV viewers, radio listeners.
There is wiretap data used in inquiry of Trump age.
And then they use these games and go, well, he's told GSGQ in England is where the main hubs go through for the U.S. and England.
So we always use foreigners to tap Americans, and then we tap the foreigners, then we share the data.
That's how we get around the so-called law of spying on our own people.
That was in Congress 10 years ago.
I told you 20 years ago.
Not just what I thought was going on, but I'd be king of the world if I could just magically know.
They admit it.
dan friesen
So at this point, he's talking about the idea that the British spy on us and we spy on the British, that quid pro quo thing we were talking about earlier, which is not true.
jordan holmes
No, I don't think he's talking about that in this particular instance.
unidentified
He is.
jordan holmes
From what I understand what he's thinking.
Oh, is that what he's talking about?
dan friesen
Yeah, he is.
jordan holmes
Because I mean, he's, you know, with the Snowden revelations there, the idea, well, like, the NSA is not allowed to spy domestically.
dan friesen
Yes.
jordan holmes
What they are allowed to do is spy on foreign communiques, and because sometimes those do come domestically, they use that as their gray area to then spy on domestically.
dan friesen
You're already too nuanced for what Alex is saying.
jordan holmes
Good point.
dan friesen
Already too nuanced.
jordan holmes
Fair enough.
dan friesen
The reason I paused it was I wanted to point out that he's talking about this spying and all that came out.
I was telling you that 20 years ago.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
I didn't cut anything.
This is exactly what he says next.
Okay.
It has nothing to do with what he's talking about.
alex jones
They accidentally leaked in the 90s during a debate on C-SPAN about the smart pebble and a bunch of other terms for the super high-powered small uranium rounds that they fire out like a machine gun at missiles.
They're coming up into space and then preparing to go back into the atmosphere and hit their target.
Well, you just sit there with those, and they don't slow down in the atmosphere.
They just accelerate out and then take out their target.
dan friesen
He's got nothing to say about the actual intelligence stuff.
jordan holmes
What is he talking about?
dan friesen
Exactly.
He's gone back to these space BBs because he has nothing.
jordan holmes
He has no idea what he's talking about.
dan friesen
He's like, oh, we got a screenshot of this article, but he doesn't know in his heart what, or in his head, what the article was actually even about, so he can't discuss it.
jordan holmes
No, what is he even talking about?
dan friesen
He's just desperately grabbing for whatever piece of information was fresh in his mind.
unidentified
And because he was talking about the North Korea stuff earlier, all the space BBs come back.
dan friesen
And how it was revealed in 1990, whatever.
All this stuff.
jordan holmes
So he had like a 404 not found and hit back and just, there we are.
dan friesen
It's irrelevant to the matter at hand.
He's desperately waiting for one of these dudes just talking to his ear and giving him some information.
unidentified
Gotcha.
dan friesen
That's 100% what's going on.
jordan holmes
Okay.
alex jones
Fire a large one, it doesn't lose any of its force and can cut through miles of rock.
But small ones cut through missiles and warheads.
Again, that wasn't my opinion.
That's a fact, because that got leaked.
And I talked to the former head of Star Wars about it, Dr. Bob Um, before he died, obviously.
But now I'm told, I guess it's on the New York Times and everywhere else, that we are to blame.
dan friesen
At that point, someone had talked into his ear.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
He's like, okay, I've got a couple more details to what's going on.
Oh, shit.
alex jones
And that he gets it from us.
And again, they act like we're the most discredited thing in the world.
They lie about what we say and do.
Then they connect it to Trump to try to hurt him.
dan friesen
Listen, we do a show where we're now at over two hours talking about Alex Jones, and all of this has been lies.
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
So I don't need to make stuff up to discredit you.
Alex, you are just a liar.
All of this is lies.
Every single person you have as a guest on your show...
jordan holmes
I'm going back through my notes, and I don't see...
The only thing that's true so far is that I think K-Blaze did release an album.
dan friesen
Probably.
We have no proof.
It's not digital.
jordan holmes
No, no, he is giving it out to people.
He's a guy on the street giving out mixtapes.
unidentified
Basically.
jordan holmes
That's fine.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
That's fine.
Good on K-Blaze.
Gotta get that hustle on, man.
dan friesen
Let's be super fair to Alex.
North Korea isn't cool.
North Korea is uncool.
He's saying these true things, but mixed in with the untrue things are that we should nuke them.
Anyway.
jordan holmes
Mixed in with the untrue things are nuclear destruction.
dan friesen
He says a bunch of other bullshit, and then he gets to this clip.
Where he gets back to...
Because he spins his wheels for a while while they try to feed him the information.
And they go to break.
And then now we're back with the legit media criticism of this CNN clip that the producer got in his ear and was talking about.
jordan holmes
And we're back!
dan friesen
I am going to call this segment Media Criticism When You Can't Read.
alex jones
The top story today isn't that North Korea is threatening to nuke and that we're having to deal with them.
unidentified
It's that...
alex jones
Trump has apologized to England.
No, they just said, look, okay, we don't call it wiretrap, it's intercepts.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
So this is his big...
jordan holmes
Oh, it's intercepts!
dan friesen
This is his big gotcha moment, is that like, oh, it's supposed to be a different word.
That's how you get off the hook.
jordan holmes
Right, right.
Oh, yeah, guys.
I'm sorry.
I said the wrong word.
Not your...
I'm lying out of my fucking face.
dan friesen
Yeah.
alex jones
So they're playing games with semantics.
Everybody knows everything's spied on.
Seen the movie Snowden?
They're not denying that.
jordan holmes
Seen...
Well, you can't deny what's reality.
alex jones
I thought that the big data dump would be more successful, and it was still big just a week or so ago.
dan friesen
The reason it wasn't more successful is that when people...
jordan holmes
There wasn't anything there.
dan friesen
Well, I mean, it was only ideas and techniques that could be used.
There was no evidence that they actually did use them.
Most of the things that were the most salacious, things like your TV is spying on you, also included...
That you needed to put a USB stick into the computer in order to use it as a spy device.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
So all this stuff...
jordan holmes
That would be very suspicious if you went home and you saw a USB stick in your TV and you're like, hold on a second!
Do I have showtime now?
Is that what's going on there?
dan friesen
I recognize that I'm quoting John Oliver, but I did also look it up, so I confirmed this.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
The way to stop that is unplug your TV.
jordan holmes
Oh, shit!
dan friesen
That's the way to get around that.
jordan holmes
No!
dan friesen
So...
jordan holmes
They...
They beat us again?
If it weren't for you damn kids.
dan friesen
Alex is so sad about this guy who he once called Hillary's butt plug being his Vault 7 release not being effective.
It's because there wasn't a lot of information in there that really mattered.
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
There was no smoking gun.
There was no proof that anything actually happened.
There was just workarounds.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Which is still fucked up, but it's not that big a deal.
A lot of it was already public.
jordan holmes
A lot of this stuff seems like...
It seemed like a lot of what was leaked is the same thing if you were a comedy writer and you were in the writer's room for a show like John Oliver.
If you leaked all of their writer's notes, you'd see a bunch of shit and you'd be like, whoa, that's a terrible joke.
That's the whole thing.
It's a bunch of shit that's released that didn't get made.
It was just a bunch of guys in a writer's room throwing shit at the wall, hoping for the best.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So anyway, Alex is really bummed out about that.
Of course.
alex jones
And a half ago, Vault 7, thousands and thousands of pages of admissions of how they're sabotaging our own infrastructure, blaming it on Russia.
dan friesen
Nope.
alex jones
How they've got kill switches in most of the appliances, tracking and listening and watching us.
dan friesen
Nope.
alex jones
And how they're surveilling all this garbage.
unidentified
Nope.
jordan holmes
Hate it when the government turns out to be toasted.
alex jones
Oh no, it's crazy.
No one listens to the president-elect.
When he was president-elect, folks, under law, they listened to all his calls to foreign governments.
Man, it's just media hoaxing and then getting even Republican leadership to get scared.
And then they come in to the Attorney General and they go, sir, we're compromising the entire spy grid, the DEA spy grid, all of it.
We have to come out and say the president wasn't being listened to.
And Sessions threw the president under the bus.
I love Senator Sessions.
He's done a great job.
Really getting intimidated.
The only guy not getting intimidated out there is Donald Trump.
dan friesen
The rest of that administration, you ain't a crook, son.
You just a shook one.
Mob deep, motherfuckers.
alex jones
Grudge isn't intimidated.
Me.
Grudge isn't intimidated.
And believe me, this is not some boys club that I want to be only a few people.
unidentified
Yes, it is.
alex jones
The country needs to grow testicles.
jordan holmes
It's the most of that.
dan friesen
Grow some testicles, Jordan.
alex jones
Get a big dick!
I personally looked up a few weeks ago when this latest fiasco got launched.
And I pulled up the Washington Post, New York Times, LA Times, Associated Press, CNN, going, oh, Trump's been caught.
We've got the intercepts.
We've got the surveillance.
We've got the wiretaps, using the improper term.
Yeah, we got the transcripts of a bunch of Trump people talking to the Russians and talking about all this illegal stuff, too.
Months later, they don't release it.
They go, we never said we had that.
You're insane.
You have no memory.
That never happened.
unidentified
Boom!
alex jones
Show them the New York Times again.
And then Trump's people finally get it and they go, oh, then you don't call it wiretap.
They haven't had that since the 80s.
unidentified
Yeah.
alex jones
It's intercepts.
It's the old terms of wiretap where you go put a recorder hooked onto the copper wire.
No, that's not what this is.
dan friesen
At this point, he's flashing up this New York Times headline, and it says, wiretap data used in investigation of Trump aides.
So even the headline...
Has nothing to do with Trump being wiretapped.
No.
unidentified
Has everything to do with specifically Carter Page.
dan friesen
Right.
unidentified
Paul Manafort.
dan friesen
Yep.
unidentified
And Roger Stone.
jordan holmes
Those guys.
dan friesen
Now, if you read the actual article that's attached to that headline.
jordan holmes
I can't imagine why you would do that.
dan friesen
lays out this as we have no indication that this has anything to do with trump also even in the article to be super fair they say there's no indication that this has anything to do with the trump campaign right they just say that uh these communications between these trump surrogates had been intercepted they don't say how it had been intercepted probably through that fisa court yep probably Yep.
uh, of foreign actors.
Legitimately, most likely you can't get a FISA court, uh, what's the word I'm looking for?
You can't get them to sign off on a warrant unless the person in question is suspected of being a foreign agent.
jordan holmes
Well, and again, that...
Like, since the FISA court has been...
So the fact that they said that multiple warrants were denied through the FISA court should be the biggest, like, oh, maybe there's nothing to this because the FISA court is a rubber stamp court.
dan friesen
Right.
Generally.
jordan holmes
Like, those denials probably amount to a total of...
The ten total FISA has denied?
dan friesen
That's a very large percentage of them.
jordan holmes
It's so impossible for the FISA court to deny something that it had to have either been something that should be hidden or that had nothing to it.
dan friesen
Right, but then to agree after two denials, that also means something.
jordan holmes
Then there's definitely something there as well.
dan friesen
Because if the third one was just as flimsy, then they would have had just as easy time saying, not get this out of here.
So the third time, obviously there was something.
jordan holmes
It is a charm.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Anyway, I can't wait for this.
This is so great.
I love it when Alex Jones listens to CNN clips.
And this is his belligerent ass.
It's great.
alex jones
Wiretap data.
That's the New York Times putting that out.
But see, they don't want us to have a show.
They don't want Raj to have a platform because they don't want us to do one thing.
It's called a memory.
It's called show you the facts.
Show you the money.
That's why they hate me.
And that's why we are now an enemy number uno.
jordan holmes
It is not why they hate him.
dan friesen
No, and it's just, again, like back with that McDonald's story when he's complaining about everyone thinking he's fake news while lying about a story he's talking about.
This is just such juicy, like...
It just, that's why they hate me, because I have a memory for things that aren't true.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
It's like, I remember all this bullshit I said.
jordan holmes
You're teasing this too much.
We gotta get into this, man.
I gotta hear this bullshit.
alex jones
Here is the known CIA officer and one of the richest men in America.
dan friesen
He's talking about Anderson Cooper, and I just want to be clear.
He interned at the CIA.
jordan holmes
And Anderson Cooper is not one of the richest men in America.
dan friesen
He actually is super rich.
jordan holmes
No shit!
dan friesen
Yeah, his mom was one of the Vanderbilts.
jordan holmes
No fucking way!
Anderson Cooper is super rich?
dan friesen
He's worth at least $100 million.
jordan holmes
Oh, then double fuck Anderson Cooper!
I don't give a shit!
Why is he on TV?
Super rich!
Fucking get a different job!
Just be rich on a fucking island somewhere!
Other people need work!
dan friesen
One thing that's admirable about him, I think, is that...
That he could have just done that, and instead he had a calling to do something else.
So he hosted The Mole, which again wasn't a good show.
jordan holmes
Not a good show.
dan friesen
And then he got into journalism.
jordan holmes
Wait, he hosted The Mole?
dan friesen
Yeah, no, that was Mark Wahlberg.
He hosted The Celebrity Mole.
jordan holmes
All right, now I'm back on his side again.
unidentified
All right.
alex jones
He aired one of the largest fortunes in the world, Anderson Cooper, waging war against America, the president, the nationalist movement.
And myself and my family.
Here he is.
unidentified
What do you make of the White House citing your article as part of...
alex jones
Just back up.
They teach these guys this look of confidence and they do Q-score testing to look confident.
Can you imagine looking like more of a...
You know what, eating grin?
Just the look on that New York Times guy who's clearly an operative.
Just look at the arrogance.
And he's just...
Because they think they're in some agency that they've arrived.
And just look at him just...
I mean, I can't even do that smug face because it's kind of feminine.
It's like a...
dan friesen
Whoops.
jordan holmes
Need to have a big dick to report the news.
unidentified
Whoops.
dan friesen
Also, he's effeminate.
He's gotta be CIA.
jordan holmes
Oh, he's arrogant.
He's smug.
He's effeminate.
He doesn't even look like a real man.
I wouldn't suck his dick.
dan friesen
He looks fine.
I don't know.
jordan holmes
He looks like a guy.
dan friesen
He looks like a person.
alex jones
I'm Yul Brynner, and I'm playing the part of Pharaoh in the new film coming out by Cecil B. DeMille.
dan friesen
He's doing this because the guy's bald.
He's just launched into a Yul Brynner impression because the guy's bald.
That's it.
That's all that's going on here.
And it goes on for quite a while.
Enjoy.
alex jones
It's the biggest budget in history.
It's called The Ten Commandments, starring Charlton Heston.
I'm Yul Brynner, and whatever you do, don't smoke.
I'm Yul Brynner, and whatever you do, don't be a traitor to the country.
Who is this ding-dong?
So let's go to another arrogant, like a little guy with a little beard, too, and all these weirdos that they dug up to come on and, like, pansy around with Anderson Cooper.
Here it is.
unidentified
What do you make of the White House citing your article as part of the evidence?
I mean, it's getting bizarre at this point.
alex jones
Oh, it's getting bizarre!
Back it up again!
Eight seconds!
jordan holmes
Eight seconds, ladies and gentlemen.
unidentified
I mean, it's getting bizarre!
alex jones
I mean, the president claims he was wiretapped when there was literally hundreds of front-page papers saying it.
I mean, he's so crazy!
jordan holmes
It's all over!
I mean, ha!
alex jones
Here, back to him.
dan friesen
So, again, just let's marinate in this.
I wanted to wait until the end to really explain why Alex is full of shit, but I think it might be more fun.
jordan holmes
Wait, then we've got a lot more podcasts to do if you want to explain why Alex is full of shit.
dan friesen
I meant in this specific case.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
Like, this guy wrote the article in the New York Times.
jordan holmes
Yes.
He's a writer.
dan friesen
And he's going on to Anderson Cooper.
jordan holmes
Like a writer would do.
dan friesen
And the reason that he's discussing this is his position, which I happen to agree with 100%, is that he wrote this article about how there were intercepts related to Trump aides.
Again, Manafort, Page, Stone.
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
These things.
Trump has cited that article repeatedly in interviews.
And, in those tweets, as evidence that Obama wanted to wiretap Trump Tower.
jordan holmes
Which did not happen in any sense of the words.
dan friesen
100% not.
jordan holmes
If you take the meaning of any one of those words and then apply them, none of them are true.
dan friesen
He used the fact that the New York Times used the word wiretap in their headline as evidence that that's what he was talking about.
Which, again, goes back to Alex not reading stories.
jordan holmes
Gotcha.
dan friesen
He only reads the headlines or skims and is like, I have a brief understanding of what the fuck.
And he gets so mad that he knows what's going on, but he doesn't know what the article actually says.
If he read it, it would have said...
This might not have anything to do with Trump himself.
It might not have anything to do with the Trump campaign.
That's in the actual article.
So hold on.
jordan holmes
What kind of surreal alternate universe would we live in if Alex Jones actually read articles?
dan friesen
Thoughtful Alex Jones.
It would be a better world.
jordan holmes
It would be a better world.
dan friesen
Yeah, we wouldn't have to do this podcast.
jordan holmes
Either that or there would just be somebody else who would take his place.
dan friesen
Yeah, probably.
There's always going to be.
jordan holmes
Have you considered that the wheel of time is unending?
dan friesen
Yeah.
We were destined to fight forever.
Me and Alex Jones are destined to fight forever.
jordan holmes
There will always be the pendulum swinging back and forth.
dan friesen
Me and Alex Jones are basically like Sami Zayn and Kevin Owens.
That's a wrestling reference for my nerd fans.
But the point is, this guy, Alex doesn't let him really speak to the point where he can get this out, but his argument is that we wrote this story, and then right-wing blogs picked it up, and the president referenced it as evidence.
Without engaging with what the story actually said.
Which is the 100% truth, and it's Alex's MO.
So he actually says Infowars, which is what sets Alex off on a fucking tizzy.
But his argument is right.
This Matt Rosenberg, he is totally right.
That is what happened.
They wrote this article.
Infowars wrote an article lying about what their article said.
Trump responded to that.
And then now we're here.
jordan holmes
So Rosenberg told the truth.
dan friesen
Yes.
jordan holmes
And that's where he went wrong.
dan friesen
Absolutely.
Because he didn't realize there were...
jordan holmes
He didn't realize the truth is bad.
dan friesen
But now that we know the full picture, let's enjoy just marinating and Alex being so sure he's right when if you watch the CNN clip, it is proof that he's wrong.
jordan holmes
Let's dance this dance.
unidentified
It's getting bizarre at this point because we've said it very clearly, and I said on your show, that that's not what the story said.
Anybody can read the story and see that's not what it said.
alex jones
We have the cover of the newspaper.
Put back on screen for TV viewers.
New York Times, January 20, 2017.
And then we have the day before, the day after.
We have it all.
You have the intercepts.
You recorded it all.
You recorded Tump Tower.
jordan holmes
Tom Tower!
alex jones
But you're hoping the viewers of CNN are the types that don't go look this up.
dan friesen
No, you are.
alex jones
You cheat!
You're a cheater!
Shut him down.
Shut him up.
If we don't take down the lead elephant, if we don't get Jones, and fast, this is the top of the Democratic Party right now.
jordan holmes
Uh-uh.
dan friesen
I don't want to take you down, Alex.
jordan holmes
We're the closest to people who pay attention to you enough to maybe want to take you down.
dan friesen
We don't.
jordan holmes
Do you know how little they want to take you down?
dan friesen
I legitimately think...
jordan holmes
No one listens to our podcast.
dan friesen
We have hundreds of listeners.
unidentified
It's great.
jordan holmes
We appreciate it.
Yeah, no, that's true.
dan friesen
But we are probably the most sincere opposition to Alex that exists.
The Democratic Party does not give a fuck about you, bro.
jordan holmes
Nope.
dan friesen
Does not care.
jordan holmes
If they did, God, we would be paid so much more.
dan friesen
Yeah, oh, Jesus Christ.
jordan holmes
We would be paid in the ones of dollars.
dan friesen
Yeah, if Soros...
Soros?
jordan holmes
Soros?
dan friesen
If George Soros gave a fuck about you, he would be paying my rent.
jordan holmes
Oh, yeah.
dan friesen
And my man?
jordan holmes
He ain't.
dan friesen
So, uh...
jordan holmes
Goddamn.
dan friesen
That's the cold talking.
jordan holmes
Goddamn paid protesters.
Yeah.
alex jones
Confirmed, we have moles.
Our meeting on how to take us down right now.
You're going to see probably movement in the next few weeks.
dan friesen
So also, I'm sorry, I paused at the wrong time.
He was saying that he has moles in the Democratic Party.
Not celebrity moles.
unidentified
Cheap shot.
jordan holmes
Cheap shot!
Cheap shot!
dan friesen
He also doesn't have moles in the Democratic Party.
jordan holmes
Where would you even put moles in the Democratic Party?
dan friesen
Oh, I'm an undercover patriot.
jordan holmes
Like in the DNC?
dan friesen
Yeah, I guess so.
jordan holmes
Like you got moles there?
Like, hey, bro, I also like socialized medicine.
Tell me about what Pelosi's thinking.
You know what I'm saying?
dan friesen
Pelosi isn't insane.
How about her?
jordan holmes
Oh, yeah.
You know what?
She totally doesn't believe that Bush is still the president.
How about you?
What do you think?
dan friesen
I'm totally fitting in.
Just, like, on his lapel, he's got a mic.
jordan holmes
Hey, youngins, you like marijuana, don't you?
Speak into this.
dan friesen
It's so stupid.
alex jones
Because they just don't know what to do, because I will show you the New York Times.
Let's skip the break.
We might even be here soon, so it doesn't even matter.
jordan holmes
Oh, okay, good.
alex jones
Seriously, this is it.
unidentified
Good.
alex jones
Let's start at the beginning, and I'm not going to interrupt.
I'm sorry.
Let's go back to Anderson Cooper and this New York Times guy sitting there trying to look like Lex Luthor.
dan friesen
Do you think he interrupts?
jordan holmes
He's not going to interrupt, right?
Do you want to keep a count, or should I?
dan friesen
Yeah, I think it's on you.
jordan holmes
Okay, ready?
alex jones
Acting tough, here it is.
unidentified
What do you make of the White House citing your article as part of the evidence?
I mean, it's getting bizarre at this point.
We've said it very clearly, and I said on your show, that that's not what the story said.
Anybody can read the story and see that's not what it said.
And so there's this bizarre circular thing happening where the president cites a theory that he was wire-tablished.
alex jones
I can't handle it.
Pause again.
jordan holmes
22 seconds, ladies and gentlemen.
dan friesen
Not bad.
jordan holmes
22 seconds.
That's a new record.
alex jones
I don't want to send Don Sells our article or a Paul Watson article.
I want the crew.
I'll do it myself.
I've got a great crew, but I want to show like 30, 40 articles.
I've already done it before with the Washington Post and New York Times where they said, we have intercepts.
We have transcripts.
We know they had Russian contacts.
dan friesen
Again, he's probably just talking about misrepresenting headlines for 30 articles.
And based on what we know of what he thinks the news is, It could include Breitbart or Zero Hedge or any of these other wingding outlets.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
So, yeah, go ahead, Alex.
Great.
You can put 30 articles together.
It doesn't mean anything.
None of those articles are...
They don't...
Follow journalistic standards.
jordan holmes
Which is a disappointment in and of itself.
The fact that he can put together 30 articles really bums everybody out.
dan friesen
Well, I was putting together...
jordan holmes
We should all be bummed out by that.
dan friesen
I was putting together the citations for the last episode, and we were talking about that Iowa...
Basketball team.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
Racial slurs.
Racial slurs.
Like when Michelle Obama said honky.
dan friesen
Right.
The kids were forced to apologize.
jordan holmes
They were not forced to apologize.
dan friesen
Right, but that was the story.
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
One of the things I did was I linked to tons of conservative blogs that ran with the story, and it was not offensive, but it was shocking to me how many there were.
I had to not include all of them.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Because it would have been too many links.
It was like...
On the front page of Google, it was like 50 blogs.
jordan holmes
Really?
dan friesen
These dumb kids think that it's unpatriotic to wear American flag colors.
It's insane.
jordan holmes
Now, with our knowledge of the Cambridge Analytica stuff, do you think I would have the same Google search results?
If I searched it, right?
dan friesen
It's anyone's guess.
jordan holmes
You have those because you're in that world.
I've searched for Alex Jones too much.
They're trying to tell you what you think, which is interesting.
So their whole thing is that they can, by analyzing the number of different things that you like on Facebook and how many searches and all of that stuff, what must they think of you?
With your researching the insanity, they must think you're insane, right?
Cambridge Analytica must look at you and be like, what the fuck is happening with this guy?
dan friesen
A lot of pornography.
A lot of Alex Jones.
jordan holmes
Which is the same thing.
dan friesen
Listening to Buzz Skaggs.
Avril Lavigne, Lana Del Rey.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
It's very confusing.
A lot of old, steely Dan.
Sure.
Yeah, they've got to be...
I'm a riddle to them.
jordan holmes
Mine is just, he's probably got a black thing.
dan friesen
This kid is depressed.
All right, let's get through this.
alex jones
There were headlines like, cloakroom bug to catch Russians just last year.
I mean, it was full-on.
They were on the news saying, we need the Justice Department to investigate Trump and to surveil him, this was six months ago, about his Russian connections.
And then they did it.
And now these agencies are all covering their ass, lying up the chain of command, saying something that all of us heard them say thousands of times.
jordan holmes
Thousands?
alex jones
So that's our job here at InfoWars, is to get the clips, and I'm giving the listeners...
The listeners will go find these two, but we need you, Matt, because we're overwhelmed here, but there's so much of it.
Just search.
Democrats, Congress call for investigation into Russia ties.
dan friesen
The thing is, it gets exhausting when you're lying.
jordan holmes
You know, this isn't that hard for me.
Him just saying that made me think, like, we're if Infowars was honest.
All the things that he says he's doing is basically what you do.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
And I'm just here to provide color commentary.
Like, I'm the Phil Simms of this broadcast here.
dan friesen
Now, the downside is...
jordan holmes
You're the one doing all the work, and I just do weird spoken word poetry about nonsense.
dan friesen
Right, but I mean, you can't have a play-by-play without color.
That's true.
That's how it goes.
jordan holmes
But yeah, you're doing the job that Alex Jones says he's doing, and weirdly enough...
It turns out he's not doing that job.
dan friesen
And he has millions of dollars.
I have a 9-to-5 job.
jordan holmes
That's true.
Which kind of gives you an idea of where we are at with reality in the current political climate.
dan friesen
To be fair, we've only been doing this show for like two or three months.
jordan holmes
That's true.
dan friesen
It's not that...
jordan holmes
Has it really only been that long?
I'm sorry, Trump has been president for so long I've forgotten my own name.
dan friesen
We started the show before the inauguration.
jordan holmes
Jesus Christ!
That feels like 7,000 years ago.
dan friesen
I know it does.
jordan holmes
My parents don't believe the earth has been around as long as I feel like Trump has been president.
dan friesen
Totally.
But look, the reality is he's complaining about we don't have enough human intelligence.
We don't have enough.
We need more help.
We need more help to get all this stuff because there's so many lies.
And it's like, I can do this on my own.
unidentified
I can bat you down on my own.
dan friesen
I don't need a team.
All I need is my friend over here laughing and bringing over wine sometimes.
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
And us just having a good time.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
Well, I mean, you know.
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
Listen.
jordan holmes
Hey, hey.
One of us does the work.
dan friesen
That was not throwing shade.
That was not.
jordan holmes
Listeners, you go ahead and decide which one of us does the work.
dan friesen
The one that's obsessed.
But, like, yeah, it's pathetic.
It's pathetic, this idea that this guy who has an operation worth millions of dollars with a team can't fucking get his shit together to know what he's talking about when the information is all right in front of him.
It's not pathetic.
It means he's lying.
jordan holmes
But that's...
See, and again, this is where we keep going back to.
It is within his self-interest to not tell the truth.
dan friesen
Yes.
jordan holmes
But at the same time, he seems so convinced of the lies that he's telling.
Is this just a weird, like, one of those coincidences of statistics where somehow we have a man whose naked ignorance somehow coincides with his naked self-interest?
dan friesen
Well, do you know how one of the features of schizophrenia is often you can hold beliefs that can't logically be penetrated?
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
I'm not saying that Alex Jones is schizophrenic.
I'm not diagnosing him or anything like that.
But that is one of the features of schizophrenia.
jordan holmes
Uh-huh.
One of the features.
Not the bugs.
One of the features.
unidentified
Right, right.
dan friesen
And so you can have this belief in your head that you've worked yourself into, and no matter what someone argues...
to rationalize it and use their argument as proof of what you already believe.
jordan holmes
Whatever it is they say we're doing is what they're doing.
dan friesen
Well, I mean, that's one flavor of it.
jordan holmes
That's one kind.
dan friesen
And it stuck with him to the point where now...
35, 40 years later, he can't not believe that.
So all of this stuff, he's just incorporated whatever...
jordan holmes
So he's built this entire life lie.
dan friesen
Yeah.
But he doesn't know that it's a lie.
jordan holmes
Well, even if he does, which maybe he does, but if he allows even one tiny crack to form...
The whole thing comes crumbling down.
dan friesen
Yeah, you instantly realize that there are no globalists.
jordan holmes
It doesn't have to be a big thing.
Like, you and I can absorb being wrong.
Like, that's kind of part of what we do.
Like, we're fine with that, right?
dan friesen
Every day.
jordan holmes
But if he, one time, like, we've never heard him admit that he's wrong.
dan friesen
No.
jordan holmes
Other than for him to admit that even when he was wrong, he was also right.
dan friesen
I didn't pull this clip because it was irrelevant, but...
On the Thursday show, he was complaining about John McCain saying that Rand Paul was working for Putin.
Do you remember that clip?
unidentified
Yeah, I do remember that one.
dan friesen
And he was like, he was relating it all to Ukraine.
And he's saying that McCain wants to go and have war with Russia, and that's why he's mad at Rand Paul standing there contesting his motion.
That was about Montenegro.
That wasn't about Ukraine.
jordan holmes
Oh, that wasn't about that at all.
dan friesen
No.
So Alex was just wrong the entire time.
jordan holmes
So he, on the next episode, admitted that he was wrong, he had the idea wrong, and then he just...
dan friesen
Here's the twist.
jordan holmes
Oh, there's a twist?
dan friesen
He brings it back up, and he's like, I got a couple things conflated that was about Montenegro, but it's the same thing.
jordan holmes
Oh!
Well, that works out.
dan friesen
Good.
jordan holmes
I like his yada-yada-yada-ing over that.
dan friesen
But that's the way he apologizes for things.
It's like, well, I was wrong, but it's the same thing, so I was right.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
And I mean, like, realistically, yes, I believe...
I don't know, it's so hard, because I'm day-to-day on this, in terms of what I think about what he believes.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
But if you look at it as a 40-year mental illness about the globalists, you know, if you look at it like that...
jordan holmes
Oh, my God, we would write such an amazing movie with Judd Apatow called The 40-Year Mental Illness.
unidentified
The 40-Year Globalist.
dan friesen
But everything falls into place.
All of the conspiracy theory shit, all of the reasons why he's joining up with Trump now, which he probably shouldn't have, all of the fear about an Armageddon, all of the way...
He can rationalize that, no, I'm not a snake oil salesman.
I'm really trying to help people.
If he actually has convinced himself that all this shit is real.
jordan holmes
So it has to be that.
It has to be that.
For him to go home at night and sleep like a human being...
He has to believe it.
dan friesen
Well, the flip side of it is, like, he has people around him who he's convinced, which is fascinating.
jordan holmes
That is fascinating.
dan friesen
That's, like, a Christ syndrome.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it do...
Yeah, like, the real corollary to look back on through historically is, like, a cult leader, right?
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Like, how many cult leaders actually believed what it was they were saying?
dan friesen
I would say a vast minority.
jordan holmes
You disagree?
No, that's just an interesting turn of phrase.
Like, vast majority, but vast minority.
dan friesen
Yeah, I think a lot of them were being manipulative.
jordan holmes
You think so?
dan friesen
Yeah, I think so.
unidentified
Okay.
dan friesen
I think a lot of them knew what they were doing.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
I've studied Jim Jones in particular, so I can use him as an example.
jordan holmes
Well, I mean, and you can go with L. Ron Hubbard, or you can go with, like, who's the Mormon fuck?
Joseph Smith?
dan friesen
Yeah.
How could you not come up with the most normal name ever?
jordan holmes
Joseph Smith.
Because I was thinking of Brigham Young.
dan friesen
Oh, sure, sure.
jordan holmes
Because he's the one...
Like, Joseph Smith may have just been a fucking lunatic who was bored.
dan friesen
Brigham Young was like the parlor of Mormonism.
jordan holmes
Brigham Young was the one who fucking went to town on that shit.
dan friesen
Listen, I agree.
jordan holmes
Why are we talking about Brigham Young on this podcast?
dan friesen
We're not done with this clip.
jordan holmes
Oh, shit.
unidentified
We've got to get back to this.
jordan holmes
All right.
alex jones
All for surveillance.
Headlines went back months ago.
Intercepts and surveillance.
You know, Trump contacts.
The headline.
Wiretaps.
Caught Trump.
I mean, he just showed the headline and he's saying it's bizarre in the circular reasoning that I say it and then Trump says it and then he has, yeah, I say you wrote an article with wiretap in the headline, Jack.
You bet I did.
dan friesen
But that's because you're only engaging with the headline.
That's the problem here.
And that's the consistent problem.
jordan holmes
I say, Trump says, Trump says, I say, you say, I say, Trump says, hey.
dan friesen
What does God say?
jordan holmes
What if he was one of us?
dan friesen
Just a slob.
alex jones
Now they've changed it.
Intercepted Russian communications.
Oh, it's not a wiretap.
It's intercepted.
Communication's part of Inquiry to Trump Associates.
Print them all.
Oh, that's January 19th.
With Matthew Rosenberg and Michael Schmidt and Adam Goldman and Matt Apuzo.
jordan holmes
Apuzo.
alex jones
Apuzo.
jordan holmes
Joseph.
alex jones
And you talk to me like I'm one of your zombies.
Look at that look on that slime bag's face, man.
That arrogance.
Person, would you have that guy over for drinks or to play golf?
Would you go shooting with that jackass?
I'd take one look at somebody that's got that type of SH.
You know what?
Eat and grin.
And I don't walk.
I run.
And then look at Cooper.
Another fake.
Another fraud.
Another scumbag liar.
I am...
unidentified
I'm not afraid of you guys.
alex jones
Just get that straight.
I'm going to defeat you.
The American people are going to defeat you.
God is going to defeat you.
Oh, please, God.
Oh, thank you for the victories we already have.
unidentified
Oh, he's great.
jordan holmes
Fake laugh.
dan friesen
It's time to pray.
jordan holmes
It's time to pray.
alex jones
This rules over.
jordan holmes
It's been a long time since it's time to pray.
alex jones
I guess they're a little bit better than Kim Jong-un.
They'd love us to live under something like that.
That's what they want, folks.
They're getting rid of whiteboards all over the country.
jordan holmes
Where did that one...
How did that find its way in there?
dan friesen
Again, that's an illustration of his waypoints.
jordan holmes
His riff is so fucking silly.
dan friesen
It's so weak.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it's like...
You know, if you go see a jazz musician and he always winds up...
On the same, like, little triplet.
You're gonna be like, you're fucking, you're shit.
dan friesen
You're not doing your homework.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
You know what I realized just now?
jordan holmes
What?
dan friesen
Alex Jones is essentially a debate student who didn't prepare.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
Like, he would have been thrown out of a debate club because he yelled too much.
Because it becomes obvious, like, oh, you don't know the source material.
You don't know, you're trying to make an argument about this thing.
jordan holmes
Uh-huh.
dan friesen
But the person, you know, who's opposing you has, like...
A nuanced understanding of the article, and he's saying that it doesn't say what you think it says, and all you have is yelling.
All you have is yelling because you don't know what it says.
jordan holmes
Now, here's my counterpoint to that, though.
dan friesen
Hold on, can I counter-counter your point?
jordan holmes
Not yet.
But you can coup my counter-coup.
dan friesen
I like that.
jordan holmes
Here is the one thing, because I do have a...
I do...
I inexplicably have a basic knowledge of debate clubs and competitions.
dan friesen
I was in debate when I was younger, too.
jordan holmes
And from all of the shit that I've read and experienced, a lot of the times, a confident demeanor goes a whole lot longer than knowing what you're fucking talking about.
dan friesen
It can.
jordan holmes
And there aren't many more demeanors more confident, or at least confident in their lack of confidence.
Than Alex Jones.
dan friesen
Sure, but I will say he does not follow Robert's rules of order.
jordan holmes
He does not follow Robert's rules of order.
dan friesen
He is not a respectful gentleman.
No.
jordan holmes
No, sir.
dan friesen
Confidence is one thing, but petty, complete lack of confidence is another.
When it's totally obvious that your confidence is based in lack of confidence, then it's kind of invalidated.
jordan holmes
Unless that is the experience of so many...
Dudes right now, right?
dan friesen
I guess so.
There's a lot of dudes who feel disempowered.
jordan holmes
Isn't that what it is?
It's a bunch of dudes who project this idea of confidence while at the same time feeling constantly insecure about it.
dan friesen
You're basically talking about pickup artists.
jordan holmes
Yeah, so there's always this idea of like we have to project.
dan friesen
Men going their own way.
jordan holmes
We're men, but every morning they wake up going like, am I being a man enough?
Like, yeah.
dan friesen
Yeah, I guess so.
I guess you've just also nailed another reason why we've got to keep doing this show.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
The motherships and toxic masculinity.
jordan holmes
Fucking toxic masculinity.
dan friesen
Anyway, this clip still isn't done.
jordan holmes
Jesus.
alex jones
Somebody might write something that hurts somebody's feelings.
They're ending language.
unidentified
They're not.
jordan holmes
They're not!
alex jones
Except for our ruling class.
A turd basket.
jordan holmes
I'm glad he doesn't say shit.
alex jones
Matthew Rosenberg.
Yeah, let's show both his articles.
Intercepts.
Show Trump with the Russians.
Wiretap!
Show Trump's people with the Russians.
jordan holmes
Written by you!
unidentified
You!
alex jones
And you still force feed us because I'm wearing a tie.
I've got a shaved head.
I act like I'm really cool.
I fop around acting tough all day in New York.
Look at that.
Let's go back to him.
Here it is.
unidentified
And see if that's not what it said.
And so there's this bizarre circular thing happening where the president cites a theory that he was wiretap, which developed on the kind of fringe right-wing media.
11 seconds, ladies and gentlemen!
11 seconds!
Infowars then started saying, well, look, it was the New York Times that reported it citing our story.
jordan holmes
Four seconds, ladies and gentlemen!
alex jones
We do a lot of the thinking around here.
Actually, I'm pretty scared, quite frankly.
I'm pretty scared right now.
Because I'm not scared of what they'll do to me.
I'm scared of the fact that they might win if the other outlets out there don't get better memories.
dan friesen
If these are the two sides, we better fucking pray they win.
jordan holmes
Are you saying it's time to pray?
dan friesen
It's time to pray.
jordan holmes
It's time to pray.
dan friesen
Dear Lord, please don't...
alex jones
Who cares?
jordan holmes
You don't know how I feel!
You don't know what things are like!
alex jones
Because, yes, National Review put it out.
They were forced to retract it, not because it wasn't true, but because it was so damning.
And National Review is run by the CIA.
That's declassified.
unidentified
Whoa!
So they pull it.
alex jones
We're already covering it.
The web had already found it.
But we were already covering it months before that these headlines said this when they were starting to deny it.
So, yes, you're right.
You're right.
You're right.
Half the time, Infowars is getting more intel out to help the president and save the republic than all other libertarian conservative media combined.
dan friesen
He just cucked out all of the other blogs that he relies on.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I was gonna say!
dan friesen
But then secondarily, he's responding to something that is not what the reporter said.
That's not what Rosenberg said.
He said that Infowars lied about what was in his story, and then Trump responded to that.
Which, if you really look at it, is exactly what happened.
jordan holmes
It's pretty much exactly what happened.
dan friesen
But just because...
jordan holmes
It's maybe the only thing that happened.
dan friesen
But just because this guy on CNN did not follow the cardinal rule of keep my name out your mouth.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
He now has to face Alex's wrath, where Alex once again misrepresents what he's saying.
It's great.
It's so fascinating.
jordan holmes
God, I just want to know.
This is why I can teach a class on this.
The only thing I want now is just to see how Alex reacts to us.
That's turned into the only thing I want to find out.
dan friesen
If you're out there, tweet at him.
jordan holmes
There are two things I want.
One, I want to have a well-researched biography of Alex Jones where – Either you or I just go around, talk to every single human being who he grew up with, who he talks to.
I want to know everything about his life.
I want to put together an actual biography of him.
The other thing I want to know is, does he think I'm funny?
dan friesen
Probably not.
jordan holmes
No.
alex jones
And then Drudge takes our articles and takes it to the next level and dominates.
And if it wasn't for Drudge and if it wasn't for InfoWars, people like this would be winning right now.
And all I care about is not letting scum like Matthew Rosenberg and Anderson Cooper to rule us.
Let's finish the piece.
unidentified
And then after his tweet storm, Infowars then started saying, well, look, it was the New York Times that reported it citing our story, misreading our story.
Stop it again.
alex jones
I can teach a college course on this seat.
That's one problem with his tweeting.
His tweeting's great, but it's always got a link to even maybe something he writes on his own presidential page.
So he can say, this isn't true, look right here, here's my proof.
Has a memory.
He's smart.
Reportedly one like an elephant.
Basically photographing even at 70. And he remembers them all saying he was being wiretapped and being watched in the New York Times.
He reads it every day.
unidentified
Nope.
alex jones
He reads the New York Times in the morning.
You know, cover.
jordan holmes
Nope.
alex jones
So he tweets, hey, there was some buying on me.
unidentified
Blah, blah, blah.
dan friesen
Again, he just said, yeah, he reads the cover.
jordan holmes
He does not read the cover.
He watches Fox News.
dan friesen
But he probably reads like Alex reads.
jordan holmes
He does not read.
He does not read.
dan friesen
I guarantee he might read headlines.
jordan holmes
I guarantee he does not read headlines.
dan friesen
I said I guaranteed he might.
jordan holmes
That's a good point.
dan friesen
We might be in agreement.
But anyway, watch how this...
Remember we were talking about that Nadia Comaneci style finishing bravely?
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Gymnastics.
dan friesen
He's about to finish his media criticism nobly.
jordan holmes
Nadia Comaneci is your reference there?
dan friesen
Didn't she fall and then Bela Lugosi had to carry her off?
jordan holmes
She did, but I mean, that's just an interesting reference there.
There's more new stuff.
Oh, okay, okay, okay.
Oh, that's fine.
alex jones
It's illegal.
When they started to say he was a Russian agent and had proof, he's like, why are you spying on me?
Do you have warrants for that?
Then it came out they had warrants for Roger Stone and people, but not for Trump.
And then they hope they can Svengali you in this whole con game to sit here and hoax everybody and say, oh, Trump puts it out, and then we run behind him and then try to prove what he said.
No, we covered your article at the national inauguration on the 20th, dude.
I held it up on TV and radio.
I covered it!
dan friesen
Poorly.
alex jones
Twice!
I was there!
I have a brain!
I remember, scumbag!
Trump remembers!
I'm going to play the rest in a minute.
dan friesen
The North remembers.
alex jones
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dan friesen
He just immediately transitions into a sales page.
That goes on quite a while.
jordan holmes
Oh, of course.
dan friesen
So he does that...
I'm so angry about...
Guys, get this.
jordan holmes
Superman Vitality, bro.
dan friesen
Just the classic Alex Jones bullshit.
jordan holmes
Exactly what we've always been...
dan friesen
This episode's been too long.
We're both under the weather and clearly at this point red wine drunk.
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
A little bit.
So we should...
I mean, that clip I think spoke for itself.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it's hard to do anything other than allow a man to speak for a total of 20 seconds.
dan friesen
That's incredibly insane, him not realizing that the point that the article was making is that they misinterpreted the headline.
And then him not knowing what was in the body of the article.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Him proving through his yelling for ten minutes that he doesn't know what's in the body of the article.
jordan holmes
Every single aspect of that was sad, pathetic, pointless, hopeless.
dan friesen
You've just summed up our podcast.
jordan holmes
Oh.
Let's leave you on a positive note.
dan friesen
Guys, you can find us at knowledgefight.com.
jordan holmes
You can find us on knowledgefight.com.
We have a website.
dan friesen
Like big boys.
jordan holmes
Oh, shit.
dan friesen
Big men with dicks.
jordan holmes
If you go to knowledgefight.com, you can actually follow us on iTunes from the goddamn website.
dan friesen
We got links up there.
We also have, you know, you can reach us through email at knowledgefight at gmail.com.
jordan holmes
A growing body of biographical quotes regarding Alex Jones.
dan friesen
We're going to get to the bottom of what his life was really like.
Also, you can follow us on Twitter at knowledge underscore fight.
I don't think we have any other plugs.
jordan holmes
No, I think that's just you and me.
I think we might just be...
dan friesen
What's that?
jordan holmes
A couple of policy wonks.
dan friesen
A couple of ding-dong, cucked-out liberal policy wonks.
alex jones
Andy in Kansas, you're on the air.
Thanks for holding.
unidentified
Hello, Alex.
jordan holmes
I'm a first-time caller.
unidentified
I'm a huge fan.
I love your work.
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