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March 16, 2017 - Knowledge Fight
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#22: March 14, 2017

Today, Dan tells Jordan all about what happened on the March 14th episode of The Alex Jones Show. Topics include: Who does Alex want to bareknuckle box for charity? Can Alex take a joke? Did an Iowa high school force kids to apologize for wearing red, white and blue? Does Paul Joseph Watson not know who Ted Nugent is?

Participants
Main voices
a
alex jones
27:44
d
dan friesen
01:00:22
j
jordan holmes
43:24
Appearances
m
michael savage
03:38
Clips
p
paul joseph watson
00:06
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Speaker Time Text
alex jones
Andy in Kansas, you're on the air.
Thanks for holding.
unidentified
Hello, Alex.
I'm a first-time caller.
I'm a huge fan.
I love your work.
alex jones
I love you.
dan friesen
Hey, everybody.
Welcome back to Knowledge Fight.
I'm Dan.
jordan holmes
I'm Jordan.
dan friesen
Welcome back to another episode of this show.
What's that?
A third episode this week.
Are you kidding me?
jordan holmes
That is...
We're getting out of control.
dan friesen
We didn't promise you shit, but we're delivering.
jordan holmes
Somehow you're defensive even whenever you're doing great.
dan friesen
It's celebratory defensiveness.
Alex Jones is rubbing off on me.
jordan holmes
I like it.
unidentified
I like it.
dan friesen
So anyway, this is a podcast where me and my friend Jordan here sit down, drink some wine, and discuss Alex Jones and InfoWars in general.
jordan holmes
Is there a twist?
dan friesen
There is a twist.
jordan holmes
Like a hook?
dan friesen
The hook?
jordan holmes
A reason to listen beyond you just explaining it?
dan friesen
The Blues Traveler style hook is that I watch a lot of Alex Jones and listen to him every day and you don't listen to it at all.
jordan holmes
I do not.
dan friesen
So I like to gather clips.
jordan holmes
Neither that nor Blues Traveler.
dan friesen
Brings him back.
Listen, I like to sit down and I gather clips like they're Pokemon.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
And I bring them back here and I show you what I've got.
I got myself a Bulbasaur clip.
I got myself a Charizard clip.
And I'm out of Pokemon.
jordan holmes
All right.
dan friesen
I don't know anymore.
But, yeah, so today we're going to be going over the March 14th episode.
That is Tuesday, if you're nasty.
And, you know, we're going to get into what goes on on the show, get into some of the lies, some of the fun, and, you know, just mix it up.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's pretty much the plan.
I'm pretty sure that's mostly the only plan that we've ever had.
dan friesen
Yeah, and you know what?
It's worked out so far.
jordan holmes
So far.
dan friesen
I think.
jordan holmes
We'll see.
dan friesen
Although...
jordan holmes
We haven't been taken out.
dan friesen
No, no, but there's talk.
There's talk in the white papers.
jordan holmes
There's always talk to get rid of us.
dan friesen
So, the main theme of today's show...
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
You might think...
jordan holmes
Can we just stop and acknowledge that was probably our best opening yet?
dan friesen
It was the smoothest, but I also felt lost itself.
The whole time it was kind of going smoothly and I'm like, what are we doing?
It didn't feel right.
So, of course, we have to comment on it after the fact.
jordan holmes
There we go.
unidentified
There we go.
jordan holmes
We got it.
We nailed it.
dan friesen
So, you might expect, Jordan, that today's show would be Alex Jones screaming his ass off about the tape that was posted on Breitbart the night before.
jordan holmes
Regarding Paul Ryan...
Saying that he would never support Trump and that he hates Trump.
dan friesen
I will never support this monster.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
That sort of shit.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
That's what you'd think.
jordan holmes
I would expect it.
unidentified
Because that is in his M.O. It's exactly what he would normally want to talk about.
dan friesen
He's basically doing, like, air support for Trump is what he does all the time.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
So you would think, fucking Paul Ryan's coming over here.
Already Alex has indicated he doesn't like Paul Ryan's plan.
jordan holmes
Oh, yeah.
dan friesen
No.
Alex is distracted by other things.
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
Namely, that he was mentioned on Saturday Night Live.
jordan holmes
All right, so we're getting Starfucker Alex today, then.
dan friesen
Big time.
jordan holmes
That's what we're getting.
dan friesen
The majority of this episode is him being pissed off at Alec Baldwin and Saturday Night Live in general.
jordan holmes
That's it.
unidentified
Yep.
jordan holmes
Okay, are we going to go year by year, cast by cast to see who's good?
I wish we did.
dan friesen
You know, Piscopo was a patriot.
jordan holmes
Piscopo is, yeah.
dan friesen
Rob Schneider, he was good for a few years, but then he went globalist.
I would love it.
jordan holmes
I like Sanders' earlier work.
dan friesen
I would love it if that's what he did, but instead he gets into this.
This is great.
This is pretty close to the beginning of the show.
This is a couple minutes in.
He starts by rambling about nothing and then gets into this.
unidentified
Okay.
alex jones
Meanwhile, you have the real hate being spewed by so-called entertainment shows like SNL and Homeland.
dan friesen
He was saying before this that, like, people say that he is a hate monger.
jordan holmes
Right, we had already, and we had also already covered the fact that he was lampooned or represented on Homeland.
dan friesen
Yes.
jordan holmes
And got very pissed off because people believed it was him.
dan friesen
And apparently he just saw the newest episode and it's not good.
The character has taken a turn for the dark.
jordan holmes
Oh, he's not the hero of the whole show?
dan friesen
He's not.
jordan holmes
Oh boy.
dan friesen
He's not.
jordan holmes
Alex is not gonna like that.
dan friesen
I haven't watched the new X-Files characters, but I bet it's debatable whether the character based on him in that is the good guy also.
I'm not sure.
I gotta go back and watch it.
But, anyway.
alex jones
NBC and CBS, respectively, where they have the person playing the president, Alec Baldwin, a top-tier actor, posing as the president, stealing his identity.
dan friesen
Remember that.
jordan holmes
So that's not an impression.
He's stealing his identity.
dan friesen
He has his social.
jordan holmes
Okay.
He's got his life force.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
I gotcha.
dan friesen
So just keep in mind that he seems to be thinking about identities being stolen.
unidentified
Okay.
dan friesen
And not, you know, not being accurate.
jordan holmes
Yes.
alex jones
And then saying, Alex Jones told me black people aren't human.
No context, no reality, no nothing.
Just pure cut to the black people looking angry, going, oh, I get it, you're racist.
dan friesen
In the skit, if you didn't see it...
jordan holmes
I did not.
dan friesen
It's a take on Independence Day, and there's aliens that have come down.
And Trump, you know, Alec Baldwin playing Trump, gives a speech to a bunch of soldiers who are getting ready to do a battle with these aliens.
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
And he's like, aliens walk among us, they've been here for years.
I heard this on InfoWars, Alex Jones, he's a great radio broadcaster.
And, you know, Kenan is like, What?
Aliens live here?
And he's like, yep, there's one right over there.
And he points at Leslie Jones.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
And she's like, I am not an alien.
And he's like, there's another one right next to her, and it's Sashira Zamata.
And so the joke is that...
jordan holmes
It's everybody but white people.
dan friesen
Yeah, basically.
Yeah.
And, I mean, come on.
It's a joke.
jordan holmes
It's a joke.
dan friesen
And as we've documented, Alex has a dubious grasp on race.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
So the idea that they're mocking that doesn't mean that...
The point that they're making isn't that Alex thinks that black people are aliens.
They're exaggerating it for comedic effect.
jordan holmes
Are they, though?
unidentified
A little.
jordan holmes
How much could they possibly be exaggerating based on what we know?
dan friesen
They're underdoing it.
jordan holmes
Yeah, exactly.
It's a lame thing if you know exactly how awful Alex Jones is.
dan friesen
It kind of is.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
I mean, but it's a joke.
It's got the whole punch.
It's everything.
dan friesen
It's a joke.
Racism doesn't exist.
One time I was pulled over by a Nazi.
He said I was cool to go because I was blonde.
Live from New York!
Not as good a cold open.
jordan holmes
No.
alex jones
People say, oh, that's just entertainment.
Just like when Colbert attacked me two weeks ago.
You work for Alex Jones, don't you?
Yes.
Well, the two of you are renting this house together, but his name, your roommate's name, is on the lease.
I say you get out right now.
I'm throwing him out.
I'm going to start eviction.
Hey, listen, you know, blah, blah, blah.
dan friesen
So what he's doing here...
jordan holmes
I have no idea what's going on right there.
dan friesen
How could you?
He just skipped into this storyline that he's mentioned before in the past, but I have no evidence of this.
I don't know if this is true.
He claims that one of his reporters or someone who works for him got evicted.
Because the landlord thought that Alex Jones was a bigot and they worked for Alex Jones.
Which, if that did happen, that's a lawsuit.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's some dick move right there.
dan friesen
No, but that's illegal.
jordan holmes
Is it illegal?
Yes, absolutely.
dan friesen
That's housing discrimination.
jordan holmes
Oh, that's good!
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
That's a really good law.
I'm sure they're going to get rid of it here shortly.
dan friesen
That's an open and shut case.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
If that happened, which is why I know it didn't happen.
jordan holmes
It did not happen.
dan friesen
So anyway, but it makes no sense.
The transition that you made there.
jordan holmes
Okay, so it was...
But it was following SNL or Colbert.
dan friesen
Well, he's like, SNL made fun of me just like Colbert made fun of me, and then he skips immediately.
jordan holmes
And because of Colbert, his employee got evicted?
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
If you're trying to diagram the sentence, that's what he's saying.
unidentified
Okay.
dan friesen
Just listening to it straight through.
I'm glad you asked, because it makes no sense.
jordan holmes
It makes no sense.
alex jones
And these folks are what I'd call classical liberals.
Nice folks.
Not right-wing in any respect.
And, no, you and your little puppy, your little dachshund, get out of here.
He moved in with his girlfriend.
Oh, but it's just entertainment.
I saw He Hates Gay People on Colbert, and I'm gay.
Get out of here!
I'm a lesbian!
You are for Ellis Jones!
Get out of here!
jordan holmes
Are we going to pull that one?
alex jones
Because Colbert took a clip of me saying, they say, I'm anti-gay.
I'm not anti-gay.
But regardless, you're thrown out of your house.
These are fascist folks.
And then they sit there and they lie with their fake news.
They have all their actors posing as reporters like Colbert or posing as the president like Baldwin.
jordan holmes
He doesn't understand this.
dan friesen
Alec Baldwin is an actor.
jordan holmes
He doesn't understand what's going on here at all.
dan friesen
Alec Baldwin is an actor doing an impression that's a parody.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
He's acting!
dan friesen
Stephen Colbert has never pretended to be a reporter.
jordan holmes
No!
dan friesen
He was doing a character on a comedy show that involved the news, and now he's a late-night talk show host.
jordan holmes
That's it.
dan friesen
He's not a reporter.
He's doing comedy.
jordan holmes
Yeah!
Does Alex really not understand that?
dan friesen
He doesn't.
jordan holmes
He really doesn't get that.
dan friesen
I don't think he does, because of a clip we're going to play later, where he gets into the idea of fiction and reality.
That's really illuminating in terms of some of the theories we've been building.
jordan holmes
And then a black hole opens up and he disappears into it.
dan friesen
There's a lot of projection.
jordan holmes
He doesn't understand.
dan friesen
There's so much projection in this episode.
It gets really weird.
Real weird.
alex jones
Then I say, you know, I'd like to have for charity a million dollars, whoever loses to the charity of their choice, to Bare Knuckles Box, because Baldwin's known for beating up little guys and camera people and now acting tough and stuff.
I mean, what?
Give me a break, man.
But I realize he's older than me, so I would take on him and O 'Reilly, because O 'Reilly's also slandered and defamed me.
I'll take both.
I'm serious.
I'll take both of you on in the ring, and I will beat both your asses into a pole.
Guaranteed.
I want to do it.
And after I kick both your asses in the ring, it's going to show all these pansies and all these wimps that run their mouths how the real world works, okay?
Just like politically, we are mopping the floor with you.
My only problem will be breaking my hands on you.
And so, did they tell you why I'm angry at them?
No.
Bill O 'Reilly said, tonight we'll look at sexual predators online and then cut to a clip of me yelling and screaming, strangely enough, about corrupt policing.
That's the greatest form of defamation you can engage in.
No one's ever said I'm a sexual predator.
I have no criminal record.
It just goes on and on.
But he just says it so it's okay, see?
It becomes reality for the delusionoids, the delusionals that just believe mainstream television.
jordan holmes
Delusionoid was a really great video game in the 80s.
dan friesen
It was, yeah.
Arcade days.
jordan holmes
Yeah, oh yeah.
dan friesen
I don't know what that O 'Reilly clip was, but I'm willing to believe that they edited it that way.
I'm willing to believe Alex's version of it, which is shady.
jordan holmes
Well, you know what?
Let's not engage with whether or not this is real.
dan friesen
But again, this comes down to...
jordan holmes
I want Moore to engage with the fact that he said that's the greatest form of defamation you can do to somebody.
dan friesen
Smash cut to Alex.
jordan holmes
So implying that somebody is a pedophile is the greatest form of defamation you can do to somebody.
dan friesen
Yep.
unidentified
Does...
jordan holmes
Okay.
unidentified
Alright!
jordan holmes
Does Alex Jones know what he says ever at any point in time?
dan friesen
He can't possibly.
jordan holmes
Does he have a no-memory situation where every word is the first word he's ever spoken?
dan friesen
I think it must be that sort of thing.
He's like a really fast-acting guy from Memento where it's just all gone immediately.
Either that or he knows that he speaks vaguely enough that when he says, The globalists kill and rape children.
It's not really a specific defamation on anybody.
jordan holmes
No, he's specifically named people.
dan friesen
He has.
He said Chucky Schumer is a vampire.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
We now know.
I mean, that means, in Alex Jones' code, that means you kill and drink the blood of children.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
So, yeah.
jordan holmes
So he specifically called other people pedophiles.
dan friesen
He has committed the worst act of defamation.
jordan holmes
The worst act of defamation you can commit.
The moment it happens to him.
unidentified
Yep.
The moment!
jordan holmes
The moment it happens to him, I'm gonna bare-knuckle box you to show you how the real world works.
dan friesen
Right, violence solves every problem.
jordan holmes
And he even described it as, I'm going to pound you into the ground.
Like, for charity, I'm going to murder you.
dan friesen
He's the U.E. bowl of political talk.
He just wants to fight his critics.
jordan holmes
What is he doing?
dan friesen
He's such an idiot.
jordan holmes
He wants to fight?
Physically?
dan friesen
It's so childish.
It's insanity.
jordan holmes
He's a 12-year-old.
dan friesen
I disagree with you philosophically, so let's fight.
If I beat you, my philosophy is right.
jordan holmes
You know what?
I wish that was further away from how the real world works.
dan friesen
Yeah, I suppose so.
But again, it's might makes right, and hypocrisy doesn't matter.
These are the tenets of the world of Alex Jones.
I mean, we just got to get used to it if we're going to dwell in it.
jordan holmes
That's the world we're going to live in.
dan friesen
Now we get to a nice clip where he has a new lie narrative that I think is pretty interesting that we'll get into right here.
alex jones
And out of the gates, 50% off on the Trump Pence for President 2020 shirt that says, Keeping America Great.
And on the back, America First at 1776, Infowars.com.
And this is all about free speech, meeting like-minded people and promoting the truth, and standing up against the bullies that tell folks that they can't wear their colors proud.
It's a red, white, and blue shirt, which again, the Ninth Circuit has ruled as illegal in California schools.
And I even have articles right here today, again, where if teams have red, white, and blue colors, they're told that they can't have them at basketball games because it hurts the Muslims' feelings.
I'm not kidding.
dan friesen
He's not kidding, but he's lying.
So again, he has the Ninth Circuit lie that we've talked about a bunch.
I left that in just to illustrate how often he brings that up.
And then he has this new one about an Iowa basketball team where people were told not to wear red, white, and blue because it offends immigrants or Muslims.
jordan holmes
Is that true?
dan friesen
Alex must have just seen a tweet because I read up on this story.
jordan holmes
Okay.
But there is something to read.
dan friesen
The tweet and the story that's being told in right-wing media and right-wing blogs is that Iowa high school students were forced to apologize for wearing red, white, and blue at a sports game because immigrant students on the opposing team were offended.
That's the story on right-wing blogs.
jordan holmes
Is there any other part of that story?
That maybe they've left out.
dan friesen
Oh man, there's a lot more.
jordan holmes
Oh, there's more?
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
It seems like that's more than enough for a story.
Let's print the headline and just not fill it in.
dan friesen
Don't give it a lead.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
So the truth is that these students did apologize for wearing red, white, and blue.
unidentified
Okay.
dan friesen
But they were never asked to.
They weren't forced to at all.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
They also shouldn't have apologized for wearing red, white, and blue because that wasn't the issue.
The reason that the opposing team was pissed off Was because they were screaming racial slurs at them.
jordan holmes
That is a much better reason to be pissed off than wearing red, white, and blue.
dan friesen
They were yelling, deport them.
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
And stuff like that.
There was a guy who was there, and he was quoted as saying, he had a Facebook post about it.
He said, also, just remember, we were offended but did not ask for an apology.
Valley willingly apologized to us.
We did not make them apologize.
And then someone commented, please state exactly what offended you.
The posts say it was wearing of patriotic uniforms.
If it was more than that, then enlighten us.
And his response, I don't care what they were wearing.
Some of them were screaming racial slurs, which is what got me.
unidentified
Maybe that's more of the story.
jordan holmes
That's what got me.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
You know, all the way up until then, I was fine.
dan friesen
Of course no one cares about what someone's wearing if they're not being a bully.
jordan holmes
So they apologized for wearing red, white, and blue, though.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
So it was a sarcastic fucking apology.
dan friesen
Or just not taking responsibility, but knowing you have to apologize.
jordan holmes
Ah, that seems like such a...
Hold on, hold on.
dan friesen
Here's where I'll be fair about it.
The apology came from the student council.
It didn't come from the kids who were...
Doing the screaming of racial slurs.
jordan holmes
Oh, okay.
dan friesen
So I think that it might be...
jordan holmes
Good, I was really hoping that my knowledge of kids who scream racial slurs hadn't just suddenly disappeared.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
To be replaced by people suddenly learning not to yell.
dan friesen
You wake up hungover and you're like, oh shit, oops.
jordan holmes
Oh man, teens know how to apologize for racial shit now?
Jesus Christ, what world is this?
dan friesen
Yeah, so it was the student council, so it's possible that they were just apologizing and trying to save face without...
Getting into the muck.
jordan holmes
Without actually apologizing.
dan friesen
Also, a September 2016 Des Moines Register article described the racial tensions in this particular school district in Iowa.
A culture of, quote, deep racial disparity exists in the Valley High School, creating an inequitable, toxic environment for students of color, according to a report from the Iowa State University researchers.
The audit found that students of color at the West Des Moines High School are more likely to be labeled as special needs and at risk than their white peers.
Students of color are also more likely to face discipline or suspension and less likely to be tapped for gifted programs.
And this is a quote from the researchers.
The traditions, curriculum, and common teaching methods within the school assume students' upper-class whiteness as the norm or archetype, which can marginalize and demoralize students of color, whether intended or not.
Now, that's interesting and about...
Hold on.
That's about a lot of education as a whole.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
We can accept that.
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
Now, here's where it gets...
jordan holmes
More specific.
dan friesen
Yeah.
There were, like, basically race fights at this Iowa school.
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
And so maybe that's the kind of climate that we're living in and has nothing to do with the fact that they're wearing red, white, and blue.
There's a big racism problem at Valley High School in Iowa.
And of course it's not commonly reported because why would it be?
It's a high school in the middle of America.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
It's just one example of many.
jordan holmes
How?
Oh!
But they just ran with it as being about wearing red, white, and blue.
dan friesen
Yep.
jordan holmes
That's what they rant with.
No context whatsoever.
dan friesen
And what he does in the end is blame the victims.
Again, he takes the side because he can't fucking spin a yarn that's against his narrative.
He can't dig for the facts.
He can't look into it.
And he's lying by omission and just lying.
It's fucking sad.
jordan holmes
So this is reported only on right-wing news, period?
dan friesen
Uh, what do you mean?
I mean, no, like local news talked about the incident itself.
jordan holmes
Yeah, and then right-wing blogs picked it up.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Are they reporting anything, or is it just full-on, I heard about this, and then I'm very mad, and yada, yada, that whole thing.
dan friesen
Well, I mean, the tweets are basically along the lines of, students forced to apologize for wearing red, white, and blue, blah, blah, blah.
I mean, it's exactly the same as the Ninth Circuit bullshit.
jordan holmes
Yeah, you know what?
Fuck them.
Fuck him.
This is a pure distraction.
This is nothing.
dan friesen
We move on.
jordan holmes
We move on!
dan friesen
He's gone!
jordan holmes
I wave him from me.
dan friesen
But I just like these specific examples because it comes down to what we can pin to the wall.
There's a lot of stuff that we can't really pin to the wall.
I can't prove that Alex doesn't have sources.
I have good circumstantial evidence that he doesn't, but I can't prove it.
unidentified
That's true.
dan friesen
I can prove that he didn't read this article based on the facts of the article.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
So this is an instance where it's like, fuck you, dude.
You're not telling the story.
You're lying.
You're a propagandist.
And on our last episode, he was fucking calling other people a race pimp.
I would say if anybody is doing that sort of behavior, it's you in that exact moment.
jordan holmes
I think you just committed.
dan friesen
Race pimpery?
jordan holmes
The greatest act of defamation you can possibly commit.
unidentified
And do you know who's willing to fight you?
dan friesen
Alec Baldwin?
jordan holmes
For charity?
Alec Baldwin only fights for profit.
We all know this.
dan friesen
Hannity?
jordan holmes
Hannity fights for sexual favors.
dan friesen
Oh, also, let's tie this into the big picture of Representative Stephen King, who is from Iowa, who is an out-and-out white nationalist.
jordan holmes
Yeah, and he's not even bothering anymore.
dan friesen
No, but so, like, clearly Iowa's about to blow up.
Like, there's fucked up stuff going on there.
jordan holmes
That whole state's garbage.
dan friesen
I've had some nice times in Iowa City, Des Moines.
jordan holmes
So is Indiana.
I don't even know where Montana is.
Let's just call that one Canada-like.
dan friesen
It's little Canada.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
No.
dan friesen
King?
jordan holmes
King.
Yeah.
unidentified
Said...
jordan holmes
Some white nationalist shit.
dan friesen
We can't fix our culture with other people's babies, essentially.
jordan holmes
Paul Ryan said, I think he needs to clarify his comments.
unidentified
And then he did.
jordan holmes
And then he clarified his comments.
dan friesen
I meant exactly what I said.
jordan holmes
With, I meant exactly what he said.
Paul Ryan, when asked for a comment regarding that, said, I think he needs to clarify his statements.
dan friesen
If I were Paul Ryan, the second time, my response would be...
unidentified
Oof.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Like, okay, I gotta punt on this one.
jordan holmes
This supports the reality.
The GOP is now only for dumb people, people who deny reality, and out-and-out racists.
dan friesen
Yep.
jordan holmes
That's it.
dan friesen
Yeah, absolutely.
jordan holmes
There's no one else who's part of that.
dan friesen
Alex has never seen white racism in his life.
jordan holmes
Well, I mean, except for Nazis.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
So this clip is not...
jordan holmes
Nazis are only a positive thing.
dan friesen
Right.
They're about prosperity.
Anyway, this clip is not done.
He goes from talking about this basketball team and lying about them to somehow weave it into Turkey.
But when he brings up Turkey, what he doesn't do is bring up that his boy Mike Flynn was working for them.
jordan holmes
Are you sure it wasn't that you're no longer allowed to wear red, white, and blue on Thanksgiving?
dan friesen
Yeah, that might be it.
jordan holmes
I think that's probably where he's going to go with this.
dan friesen
That's a good theory.
alex jones
Well, then you don't feel like you should be part of the country if the red, white, and blue upset shoots.
I mean...
Why are we submitting to them?
Ergon has now declared the dictator of Turkey that he is the supreme ruler of Europe, basically.
jordan holmes
Wow!
dan friesen
And has General Flynn in his employ.
So suck it.
jordan holmes
And his name is Erdogan.
Not Erdogan.
Erdogan.
dan friesen
He's from occupied Texas.
Give him a break.
jordan holmes
Just learn how to say the goddamn name.
dan friesen
Ah, fine.
jordan holmes
George Ramos.
Don't say that.
Learn how to say the fucking name.
alex jones
There it is.
WHO TV, NBC, Valley Students, a USA-themed student section not aimed at North Refugee Athletes.
That's the name of the team, North Refugee Athletes.
dan friesen
So that's him reading the headline of the story.
He thinks that the team name is North Refugee Athletes.
That is not the name of the team.
jordan holmes
Athletes.
The NRA.
dan friesen
Oh, man.
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
Bingo.
jordan holmes
The North Refugee Athlete.
So does that, to you, does that make you see a vision of a basketball jersey with just somebody escaping Syria on it as their mascot?
dan friesen
Yeah, basically, yeah.
The team is the Tigers.
I looked it up.
He doesn't understand the story.
He doesn't even understand the headline as he's reading it.
jordan holmes
So, on the one hand, we have the team, the North Refugee Athletes.
dan friesen
Which is one of the most common names for high school sports.
jordan holmes
And then on the other, we have the Tigers.
Now, did they vote for that at an assembly?
Were those two ever an option one against the other?
dan friesen
It might have been.
You know what?
We want to be unique.
Fair enough.
Okay, so I was kind of worried.
I want to bring this up a tiny bit because we're going to get a little bit into this.
Today, you tweeted at Paul Joseph Watson.
You tweeted at Prison Planet.
jordan holmes
Oh, yeah.
dan friesen
You quoted one of his tweets and sent me into a panic for the entire day.
But then I found this clip.
jordan holmes
Oh, okay.
dan friesen
And it made me feel like we might be okay.
Because in it, Alex Jones describes how he likes to take a joke.
jordan holmes
Oh, good!
dan friesen
Unfortunately.
jordan holmes
That puts us, you know, already we're off the hook.
dan friesen
We're in the clear.
jordan holmes
We know that he likes to take a joke.
dan friesen
Unfortunately, by the end of this clip, I'm starting to wonder if he actually likes to take a joke.
jordan holmes
Do you think he even knows what a joke is?
dan friesen
It's vague at this point.
It's unclear.
But we'll let him descend from, hey, I'm cool, I like to take a joke, to screaming.
jordan holmes
Okay.
alex jones
I saw another mashup piece.
I sent it to Nico.
I forget exactly what publication it was.
Let me look it up.
And I've become one of the top, I guess, comedians in the country.
Literally, they're even saying that in newspapers, tongue-in-cheek.
jordan holmes
Okay, good.
Otherwise, it's a bad newspaper.
alex jones
That's A.V. Club.
With daily mashups of things I've said in 20 years on video into these comedy pieces.
And they think it's destroying me or hurting me, but we have the metrics.
It's sending us giant hordes of young people.
dan friesen
Before we get into, like, how he takes a joke and stuff, I want to be clear that I kind of agree with him on this.
And this is one of my big principles, is taking him out of context like that is incredibly dangerous.
It really only feeds into his game.
What we're doing is still laughing at him.
jordan holmes
And far more tedious.
dan friesen
Very tedious.
So much work.
jordan holmes
So tedious.
dan friesen
But at the same time...
jordan holmes
Look, imagine this podcast, but if it were one and a half minutes long, and there were just, instead of us commenting on it, there was just techno music, and then scenes from movies?
dan friesen
Uh-huh.
jordan holmes
That sounds super entertaining.
dan friesen
But that would be too tedious for me, because I'd have to edit that fucking shit up.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's true.
You could never handle that.
dan friesen
But I think that...
I really do agree with him that people...
Doing these jokey videos are sort of playing into his hands.
jordan holmes
I think they're sending people to him.
dan friesen
Well, these people are going to check him out.
They want to know more about who is this fucking wingnut.
And I don't think that they're going to convert tons of people or anything like that.
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
But it does get into your head that he's funny and all this stuff.
And I do think that that's a dangerous thing.
I'm not saying that they're doing something bad.
I'm just saying there are negative side effects of treating him like a joke.
And that will be one of my main theses for the entirety of this podcast.
jordan holmes
Yeah, he is a joke.
But he is a...
He's like the killing joke.
He's the Joker.
That's what...
Oh, he's just so bad.
dan friesen
He's like a truly bigoted joke that everyone seems to not get.
jordan holmes
Now, if they're sending people to him, the worry that I have is that he's becoming more...
Disseminated in the popular consciousness.
dan friesen
More mainstreamed.
jordan holmes
While I was saying that, I realized that is exactly what we're hoping happens.
dan friesen
Not really.
jordan holmes
So we can explode.
dan friesen
No, because we'll be too late.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's a good point.
dan friesen
If he becomes super mainstream, he'll be like, oh, yeah, you guys are doing another Alex Jones podcast?
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's true.
We need to take over.
dan friesen
We need to pull up now.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
We need to have started this podcast two years ago.
jordan holmes
Right.
This is like Game of Thrones.
He should have been in the endgame by now.
He should already know that Jon Snow is going to ride a fucking dragon.
Why aren't we there yet?
Why aren't we there yet?
He's gonna ride it!
dan friesen
Don't spoil Game of Thrones.
Let's get to Alex Jones having a great sense of humor about himself.
jordan holmes
Excellent.
alex jones
My son loves it.
His school loves it.
And it's fun.
I like being made fun of.
You think I'm like some fake conservative from 50 years ago that's all in a stuffed suit going, well, Buffy, how dare them make a joke about me?
Or Judge Smales.
dan friesen
Judge Smales?
By the way.
jordan holmes
Judge Smales?
dan friesen
That reference is going to miss all of your millennials that are coming over from the AV club.
jordan holmes
Okay.
What is Judge Smales?
dan friesen
No fucking idea.
I don't know.
Probably from some goddamn sitcom.
Look it up while we're doing that.
jordan holmes
I don't know how to spell it.
Smales?
I don't want to...
alex jones
And then it's got the comments in here.
And like most of the comments...
When you read them, this is the guy that says whites are superior to black people.
Never said that.
This is the guy that says he's superior genetically to Denzel Washington when he's old and ugly.
What are you talking about?
That's mental illness.
I've never said any such thing.
It's like this mental illness where they're fiction writers and they make stuff up.
And they say, I produced an album called I Don't Like Blacks, 2018.
dan friesen
So he actually shows the comment thread on this AV Club video.
And if you've ever been to the AV Club, they kind of go buck wild in the comment threads.
jordan holmes
They like trolley comment threads.
dan friesen
And they like to do strings of jokes.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
So comment threads end up becoming, someone makes a joke, someone tags it, tag, tag, tag.
jordan holmes
And on the AV Club, they also kind of have a very communal comment thread where it's kind of the same people always in conversation with each other.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
Because the video in question, he does some rapping in it.
Yes.
jordan holmes
As we've seen, he can drop a verse.
dan friesen
Yeah, so people start writing Alex Jones raps, and one of them has a rap lyric of him, like, I'm Alex Jones and I'm here to say blah blah blah blah.
And then it says, from his album, I don't like black people.
Which is just a joke.
No one said he made an album.
jordan holmes
It's a silly joke.
And it's from the future!
Exactly!
Is bringing an album back from the future in order to release it now.
dan friesen
So his point is that he can take a joke.
He's not one of these stodgy conservatives.
But then he literally is reading comment sections and being like, they said that I made a fucking album because I don't like black people.
jordan holmes
That is so...
Within a minute.
How many people do we know who have that kind of level of narcissism where they could absolutely read a...
Put a Facebook post up.
It turns into one of those Facebook posts.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
They will absolutely turn to you and read the comments to you.
dan friesen
I might.
jordan holmes
We know people who would do that.
dan friesen
I might, but it would only be out of fear.
jordan holmes
Imagine they have a show.
dan friesen
A hypothetical million strong audience?
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Oh my god, that's great.
dan friesen
Anyway.
jordan holmes
Looked up Judge Smales.
Smales from Caddyshack.
dan friesen
Oh, okay.
jordan holmes
Not Schmales.
unidentified
No.
jordan holmes
Which sounded very anti-Semitic to me.
dan friesen
I figured it was like a Honeymooners reference or something like that.
Because Alex Jones, he says he's 43. Right.
That motherfucker's 50 plus.
jordan holmes
Do you think so?
dan friesen
I think so.
Anyway.
jordan holmes
Do you think he's lying about his age?
dan friesen
I think so.
unidentified
That's great.
dan friesen
He does not look like a 43 year old dude.
jordan holmes
Yeah, but he lives his life fucking hard.
dan friesen
That's true.
That's true.
alex jones
And it's like pseudo-intellectuals.
And I feel sorry for these people because I was reading these comments this morning and it was wild.
jordan holmes
And every single moment.
alex jones
We've changed the world.
We've got presidents being elected all over the world to fight globalism and have a new pro-empowerment, productivity renaissance.
We're having huge success.
We reach 45 million people a week conservatively.
We're creating spinoff movements that are reaching even more people.
And then they have these weird celebrations.
I see it, too, about Drudge.
Oh, he's number one, but he's a loser.
Or Alex is big, but he's a loser.
It's like, oh, Alex is mentally ill.
Or Alex is an outcast, and they're projecting everything they think they are.
And there are these alone people in their mother's basements.
All the demographics show it.
The average liberal, like 90%, below the age of 35, lives in their mom's basement, has no job, plays video games all day.
And then they just sit there together celebrating how people that are active, aggressive, successful, genetically unsuccessful.
dan friesen
Yikes.
unidentified
Whoa!
jordan holmes
When did we drop that one in there?
dan friesen
I wanted to pause that just for a second, but also...
jordan holmes
Also to just really hammer that point home.
dan friesen
Also, this is not what someone who can take a joke does.
No.
jordan holmes
We're on 30 seconds of insulting the people who made the jokes that he's...
dan friesen
They all live in their parents' basement.
All these 90% of liberals under 35 live in their parents' basement.
I don't know anybody who lives in their parents' basement.
jordan holmes
I know a lot of liberals under 35. Yeah, but 90% of them, you don't know.
dan friesen
There are some comics who live in basements, but that's...
jordan holmes
But we've all lived in our parents' basement at one point or another.
dan friesen
Yeah, sure.
jordan holmes
Not all of us have commented on AB Club.
dan friesen
You go under 35, you take that down to under 23, you're talking a different ballpark.
jordan holmes
The reasons of, you know, the very same parents voted to ruin the economy.
dan friesen
Yeah.
unidentified
So...
dan friesen
Anyway.
jordan holmes
But...
No, no, no, no. 90%?
90%.
dan friesen
That's bullshit.
jordan holmes
All the studies show this.
unidentified
All of them.
jordan holmes
All the studies show this.
Not one study shows this.
He's just mad because somebody made a joke on an AV Club article and he has to hammer this home that he's so much stronger and so much tougher than all of these people.
He can take a joke because he's so strong and so...
And if you don't think he can take a joke, he will meet you in the ring!
dan friesen
He's real close to that.
unidentified
He will fight you!
dan friesen
He's real close to threatening these commenters.
It is Huey Boll, man.
unidentified
It is.
dan friesen
It's just...
Look, you remember what he did, right?
jordan holmes
I'm waiting for him to say my dad could beat up your dad.
dan friesen
You remember when Huey Boll, whenever he got bad movie reviews, he was like, I will box you.
He would just try to get people to box him about their bad movie reviews.
jordan holmes
I did not know that.
dan friesen
He...
Yeah, he did that.
It was great.
jordan holmes
That is pretty great.
dan friesen
Yeah, it's hilarious.
jordan holmes
That sounds like a fun thing to do, actually.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Whenever the stakes are so low that it's just a dumb movie.
Awesome.
dan friesen
I made...
I can't remember any of his fucking stupid movies.
But yeah, he made like...
jordan holmes
Resident Evil?
dan friesen
No, I don't think that was him.
Maybe.
I don't know.
He made...
jordan holmes
Blood Rain.
He made Blood Rain.
dan friesen
Sure, Blood Rain.
You don't like it?
jordan holmes
Video games.
dan friesen
I fight you.
jordan holmes
Yeah, video game movies.
dan friesen
Anyway, Alex gets more mad.
alex jones
I've got a lot of kids.
They're successful.
unidentified
My family line's been successful.
alex jones
By every benchmark, I'm very successful.
And then they go have little ceremonies and celebrations that I'm not successful.
dan friesen
I don't disagree that he's successful, but this is so petty.
This is pathetic.
This is really sad.
The two responses, I will fight you, and then being so defensive about being successful, it's insane.
jordan holmes
If we got a bad review, I swear to God, let's just talk for two hours about that person.
dan friesen
I think we got a four-star review on iTunes.
It almost made me freak out.
You ruined our five stars.
jordan holmes
Oh, are you kidding me?
Four stars?
How dare you?
Are you kidding me?
You know what?
You're probably one of the 90% of conservatives who are 85 years old and living above their parents' graves and just...
Talking shit and playing video games all day, like delusionoids.
dan friesen
We are both genetically successful.
jordan holmes
We're both genetically successful.
dan friesen
I have a day job.
I'm reasonably successful in a job that I am not qualified for.
All right.
alex jones
Because they need to live in a delusional world where they create a straw man of who I am.
And then they declare themselves better than that person.
jordan holmes
Still doesn't know what a straw man is.
alex jones
It's the same thing the white supremacists do.
They'll just say, Alex Jones works for Israel, blah, blah, blah.
He's a bad guy.
Just to make themselves feel powerful and put themselves above me.
And I noticed that some of the black supremacist groups do that too, but really not many.
It's mainly weird white young people.
jordan holmes
White young people.
alex jones
They have all this weird white guilt and no identity.
jordan holmes
White guilt.
alex jones
And then they go and comment and just make stuff up.
Like, hey dude, if you're going to say that I think I'm better than Denzel Washington, what the hell are you talking about?
I like Denzel Washington movies.
I think the guy's good looking.
In fact, they make the point.
Oh, look, Denzel Washington's 20 years older and looks younger than Alex.
Absolutely.
What did I ever say about Denzel Washington?
You just make up some fantasy that I think I'm better than Denzel Washington, just like Alec Baldwin pretends to be the president.
jordan holmes
Yes!
alex jones
And then says Alex Jones told me black people aren't humans.
jordan holmes
You just described him.
alex jones
And I bet money.
There's a bunch of these comments in here.
I bet this guy called Cookie Monster.
This handle probably saw Saturday Night Live and thinks if they made that joke about me, it must be true.
See, they're trying to brand me as David Duke.
But David Duke doesn't even say stuff that far.
dan friesen
Yes, he does.
jordan holmes
No, well, David Duke says he's David Duke.
David Duke does not call Alex Jones David Duke.
dan friesen
He's not playing a character.
jordan holmes
Nuh-uh.
dan friesen
David Duke is just a bigot.
jordan holmes
David Duke is a full-on bigot.
dan friesen
I don't think anyone needs to brand Alex Jones as anything other than Alex Jones.
jordan holmes
He's very successful at it.
dan friesen
We let him live and die by his own words.
Fuck you, Cookie Monster.
unidentified
I love that he has to use the handle.
jordan holmes
You know what?
I don't like what Cookie Monster said about me.
That's such a fucking pathetic little tiny person thing to do.
dan friesen
It's a farce.
jordan holmes
He's a YouTube commenter that has his own YouTube show.
dan friesen
So at that point, after this clip had ended, after this section ended, I was like, well, maybe he doesn't like being made fun of and he's trying to pretend that he does because he knows it's gracious to be made fun of and, you know, roasts, all that stuff, all that.
You know, it's sort of a social thing where busting balls is how you communicate friendship a lot of the time.
This next clip.
That plays immediately after made me realize Alex does not like being made fun of.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
This is where he just like, no.
jordan holmes
You needed more after that previous clip?
dan friesen
Only because it gets much worse.
alex jones
Okay.
But with the thinking people, that's in one group.
Of every color, of every region, of every, you name it.
Just awake, sentient beings.
And over here you've got the massive people, though, that literally are living in fantasy land.
The delusionoids.
They call us the deplorables, they're the delusionoids.
The delusionals.
jordan holmes
One of those is a real word, one of those is not.
alex jones
And they've got a lot of guts in the system to put this out, but it works because people don't differentiate fiction with non-fiction now.
jordan holmes
No, you don't!
You don't deliberate that!
dan friesen
This is where we get some pot calling the kettle black action.
jordan holmes
Everybody else does that!
dan friesen
This entire stretch here is where Alex thoroughly projects exactly what he does onto those who criticize him.
And it's fascinating.
They don't know the difference between truth and fiction.
Bro, come on.
All of your analogies end up citing movies.
You just think that the plot...
Okay, anyway, here we go.
Here comes a deep dive.
jordan holmes
Okay.
alex jones
So mainstream media is the fake news.
They're organizing with the communist Chinese to censor the liberty movement.
Man, that's fighting words.
That's foreign espionage.
That's a foreign takeover.
Of our media, our entertainment, our infrastructure.
And I see the leftist commenting in computer world and you name it.
Oh good, China, help us please shut down Alex Jones and President Trump.
There's actual comments!
Oh yes, communist Chinese are really going to treat you real good.
dan friesen
Again, he's responding to commenters.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
It's the biggest waste of time ever.
alex jones
You sit here in the lap of freedom.
You sit here in the lap of the West and then bitch about it when you have no idea what you're allying yourself with.
North Korea is a dropping of China.
Little pile they left in the corner there.
Horrible enslavement.
But you think it's cute when Dennis Rodman goes over there and hangs out with Kim Jong-un.
dan friesen
No, we don't.
jordan holmes
Nope.
dan friesen
Still don't.
You might have missed the point of any coverage about that.
It was, hey, that's fucked up.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
What is he doing going over there?
That's not cool at all.
jordan holmes
Yeah, hey.
dan friesen
Dennis Rodman!
jordan holmes
Don't do that!
dan friesen
Even the globalists thought that was fucked up.
unidentified
So...
alex jones
In just...
As a little pot-bellied goblin launches missiles at Japan, and we've got to have B-52 bombers on the tarmac with nukes now in South Korea, ready to nuke the entire North.
They're not just going to drop bombs on Pyongyang.
They're going to drop bombs all along the border, where he's got reportedly 100,000 pieces of artillery aimed at Seoul.
Can't feed his people, but boy, does little Mr. Weenie, does little weenie, little weenie, Kim Jong-un, have a bunch of vessels?
jordan holmes
They always do.
alex jones
That's your state.
That's what you worship.
See, America's the big liberal, open society, freedom, wild, wild west, baby, and you people want to control words and ban whiteboards and ban scales.
unidentified
Again, this is because somebody commented.
This is all in response.
jordan holmes
This is all the same response.
dan friesen
He just somehow weaved in the North Korea situation, which is agreed.
It's fucked up.
jordan holmes
That's fucked up.
dan friesen
But I think we're probably responding to it wrong.
But be that as it may, then he gets into Kim Jong-il as a tiny dick.
jordan holmes
Yeah, little weenie.
dan friesen
In colleges, they're banning whiteboards, which we went over in a past episode.
That is not what's going on.
jordan holmes
Every time somebody's banning something, it's usually because of racial slurs.
dan friesen
A specific college had a rash of racial slurs used on whiteboards.
This is Michigan State, as I recall.
And at the same time, they recognized that all communication was being done through social media.
So what's the point of having them there if they're being used to harass people?
jordan holmes
They did the least they possibly could.
dan friesen
Exactly.
That's a good way to put it.
jordan holmes
That's the real thing that you should be angry about.
dan friesen
Now, I think what Alex Jones is about to say is it's beyond book burning.
jordan holmes
Is it?
dan friesen
That's his take on it.
jordan holmes
Facebook comments.
dan friesen
No, no.
jordan holmes
AV Club comments.
dan friesen
Getting rid of whiteboards is beyond book burning.
jordan holmes
Beyond it.
dan friesen
It's trying to ban the written word.
jordan holmes
I mean, you can erase a whiteboard.
unidentified
It's true.
jordan holmes
You can just erase it.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Yeah, that is one option.
But again, when we talked about this the first time, we agreed that this isn't the best strategy.
jordan holmes
Erasing a whiteboard is exactly like burning a book that rewrites itself.
dan friesen
Yes.
jordan holmes
An everlasting book.
dan friesen
Yes.
Here we go.
alex jones
And ban the word mother and father.
You're the cult!
You're not the cool people!
jordan holmes
So uncool.
alex jones
You don't get it!
You morons don't know the life I've led, what I've done, any of it.
You sit there in your mommy's basement.
When I've lived more than you at 40, let's say you're 40, by the time I was 14 years old, guaranteed, you sit there in your mommy's basement.
unidentified
Well, he was 80 when he was 5. And he was twice divorced at 14. What?
jordan holmes
What is he talking about?
dan friesen
He's just still mad about these comments.
jordan holmes
It's just about the comments.
dan friesen
He can't take a fucking joke.
jordan holmes
It reminds me of...
dan friesen
We're gonna get screwed if he finds this podcast.
jordan holmes
Oh, man.
unidentified
God.
dan friesen
He's on minute ten of yelling at these people about a comment thread on the AV Club.
jordan holmes
Oh, God.
I love it so much.
dan friesen
We're on episode, like, 23 of this podcast.
jordan holmes
I love it so much.
dan friesen
We've recorded, like, 50 hours just analyzing his racism, his misogyny, his Islamophobia, his idiocy.
He's going to freak out if he finds this.
jordan holmes
You know what?
dan friesen
We gotta tell him.
jordan holmes
Here's the thing.
dan friesen
We gotta tell him.
jordan holmes
He won't.
dan friesen
Why?
jordan holmes
Because then he'd have to listen to it.
dan friesen
That's a good point.
jordan holmes
He would have to...
dan friesen
He'll make his son do it.
jordan holmes
Do you know why he engages with that video?
Because he could watch the whole thing.
dan friesen
Oh, because it was a minute and a half long?
jordan holmes
Exactly.
dan friesen
Yeah, yeah, that's true.
jordan holmes
He can engage with a headline.
If our episode titles were...
Alex Jones is a big, dumb, fat idiot.
He would know everything about us.
dan friesen
Okay, well, maybe I should make some small...
jordan holmes
If our episode titles are March 14th, he's not going to know a goddamn thing.
dan friesen
Maybe I should make some small YouTube videos that are salaciously titled.
unidentified
Oh!
dan friesen
Maybe I'll work on that for the near future.
jordan holmes
You could take our own ethos, edit it out of context, and put it on YouTube.
dan friesen
That's a good idea.
jordan holmes
Thus opening ourselves...
Okay.
alex jones
As we change the world, and you lie about us as if it's some magic power you discovered.
Everybody knows six and seven-year-olds tend to lie a lot.
It's like a new thing they discover, and it's real cool.
Everybody's laughing at the kid when they're lying constantly, and they don't stop lying by the time they're ten or so.
The kid's got a problem.
You're in your mommy's basement.
Get out of your pampers now.
And I don't respond to you meanly, because I...
Want to hurt you.
I know you only respond to ridicule.
That's at the level you're at in junior high.
Arrested development.
So I'm reaching out to you.
Like junior high, you're all over there eating your buggers in the corner, laughing at adults living in the real world.
It's time for you to grow up, sonny, and get out of mommy's basement.
And stop being mad at people that have done things.
Because that's what this really is, is a bunch of little kids sitting around mad at people that are actually doing something.
dan friesen
It's not.
jordan holmes
It's definitely not.
dan friesen
Nope.
jordan holmes
But do you know what it is?
dan friesen
People responding to the things he's saying appropriately?
jordan holmes
Alex Jones being mad at people who've done something.
dan friesen
And it's him projecting.
That thing about kids learning not to lie at some point.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
You might have some insecurities about how much you lie.
I'm telling you.
jordan holmes
Absorbed a twin in the womb trying to escape from the year.
dan friesen
It's entirely possible.
Anyway, let's get to our next clip.
Jordan.
jordan holmes
Why is he so mad at an AV club comment?
unidentified
I don't know.
dan friesen
And his anger is not done, but at least it's done about that.
He's done yelling at the AV club people, but he does get back to Alec Baldwin here in a moment.
But first, we had a special report on this episode from the one and only Paul Joseph Watson.
jordan holmes
PJ Dubs?
dan friesen
Hates SJ Dubs.
So, I promised...
At one point, that we would never play his voice on this show.
jordan holmes
You did.
dan friesen
I promised that we would never play Paul Joseph Watson and Roger Stone.
jordan holmes
And in honor of that, this next clip is 30 seconds of silence.
dan friesen
In honor of you tweeting at him.
jordan holmes
Oh, that's right.
dan friesen
I'm going to play a tiny bit of his special report today.
He did a special report about how Snoop Dogg is an asshole.
Basically because...
Uh-oh.
Uh-oh.
They call him a race pimp.
They say that he...
jordan holmes
Have we established what race pimp is?
dan friesen
Still a little vague.
jordan holmes
It ain't easy.
dan friesen
They were screaming about how he was working with the CIA to prepare black youths to go to prison.
That's what rap music is all about.
jordan holmes
Snoop Dogg.
dan friesen
Yes.
It's a massive...
jordan holmes
And all rap music is the prison pipeline.
unidentified
Yes.
jordan holmes
Not...
Not...
dan friesen
The judges?
unidentified
Or...
dan friesen
Mandatory minimums?
jordan holmes
The schools?
unidentified
Or...
dan friesen
None of them.
jordan holmes
Any of these things?
dan friesen
No, no, Snoop.
jordan holmes
It's rap music.
dan friesen
Yep.
Alright.
I buy it.
But what they're mostly focusing on is the idea that Snoop would fake assassinate Trump.
Which he doesn't.
There's a bang flag that comes out of it.
It's like a Daffy Duck thing.
But they take it as like...
jordan holmes
I mean, Pussy Riot would actually put out a video where they fake assassinate Trump, right?
dan friesen
Yeah, probably.
jordan holmes
They're hardcore.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
They did time for that shit.
dan friesen
Snoop Dogg almost did time.
Murder was the case that they gave him.
jordan holmes
That's true.
dan friesen
Anyway.
jordan holmes
That's true.
dan friesen
Paul Joseph Watson says something super unfortunate in his heavily edited report.
To the point where he spent so much time on this, it's pathetic that this was still in it.
jordan holmes
Heavily edited.
dan friesen
He has really quick cuts of him saying things.
It's never a complete cut of him giving a speech.
It's like five seconds, cut, five seconds, cut, cut, cut, cut, cut.
It's basically to try and...
jordan holmes
So it's like a reality TV show.
dan friesen
It's to appeal to low attention span people with constantly moving YouTube style.
jordan holmes
Sound bites and that kind of thing.
Does he ever do a star wipe?
dan friesen
Maybe.
jordan holmes
Tell me he does a star wipe.
dan friesen
I haven't watched enough to know.
But I do know that whenever he's quoting other people's tweets or things that he doesn't like, he does like a me, me, me, me, me, me, me voice filter.
Great.
jordan holmes
We're all adults here.
dan friesen
Way to engage with the issues.
unidentified
Man.
dan friesen
So now...
Enjoy this clip.
unidentified
Remember when the left said depictions of Obama as a clown were racist?
paul joseph watson
Now it's not only trendy to depict Trump as a clown, it's okay to symbolically assassinate him.
unidentified
Imagine if a conservative music star like Ted Nugent Well, I mean, that's an interesting thought experiment, but I mean...
dan friesen
I don't know if we could ever come up with an example that would go against what he just said.
I mean, I...
jordan holmes
I can't think of any situation where Ted Nugent has said anything inflammatory.
No.
Insinuating that someone would die.
dan friesen
No.
It certainly wouldn't be from this clip of the Ted Nugent concert.
unidentified
Hey, I don't suck on this one, damn, you putz.
I was in Chicago last week.
jordan holmes
I was in Chicago.
unidentified
I said, hey, Obama, you might want to suck at one of these, you punk.
You don't get that.
jordan holmes
Obama, he's a piece of shit.
And I told him to suck at my machine.
unidentified
Huh.
jordan holmes
I wonder if that's...
Is that good?
I mean, was the song good?
dan friesen
I don't know.
I don't know what song he did after that.
jordan holmes
See, this is poor reporting on your part.
dan friesen
Worst reporting on Paul Joseph Watson's part.
Because the video is Ted Nugent walking around on stage with two machine guns in his hand and telling Obama to suck his machine gun.
That's worse.
jordan holmes
It wasn't a music video, though.
Imagine if it was a music video.
dan friesen
That's worse than a fake depiction.
jordan holmes
That's just a man threatening to kill the president.
dan friesen
And getting cheered for it.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
That's a whole different thing.
That's protected by live performance rules.
You can't do that in a video.
Everybody knows this.
It's like cover bands, you know.
As long as they don't put it in a video that they're covering this song without attributing it, they can play it forever.
dan friesen
That's reasonable.
It's not.
jordan holmes
It's not.
Not even a little bit.
dan friesen
You know what?
Paul Joseph Watson, there's someone at the door for you.
jordan holmes
Oh, God, no.
dan friesen
You busted.
unidentified
Ah!
jordan holmes
Damn it!
dan friesen
Paul Joseph Watson just got busted not knowing anything about Ted Nugent!
jordan holmes
How could you possibly use that one specific reference?
There's so many other conservative artists.
There aren't that many conservatives.
dan friesen
Also, I cut off the clip right after that.
He's like, then I flew to New York and I said, Hillary Clinton, suck on my machine gun!
And then immediately after, he's like, I found Pelosi.
He just keeps saying liberals should, like, he's just gonna kill all these liberal leaders.
Also, hey guys, Ted Nugent was on the Alex Jones show a week ago.
jordan holmes
A week ago?
dan friesen
A week ago.
jordan holmes
So that's why he's fresh in Paul Joseph Watson's mind.
dan friesen
Maybe, but I'm just saying.
jordan holmes
He could have done so many other references.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Like, imagine if Toby Keith did a video where he killed Obama.
dan friesen
Right.
unidentified
See?
dan friesen
Toby Keith's a very reasonable man, for the most part.
Yeah.
I wish they would have used Toby Keith, but I think his politics don't line up, necessarily.
Even though he did, he played at one of those inauguration parties, which I thought was super weird.
Because in the past, Toby Keith seemed pretty reasonable.
Outside of that 9-11 song of his.
jordan holmes
Money's money, man.
dan friesen
Yeah, that's a fair point.
unidentified
Anyway.
dan friesen
I like that the only time we're ever going to poll.
I had done that song karaoke a bunch.
unidentified
Okay.
The eagle will fly and it's gonna be hell.
Sounds like we got a race pimp on our hands.
dan friesen
It's great.
Anyway.
I love that the only time we're ever going to play Paul Joseph Watson on this show is a clip where he completely sounds like a fucking idiot.
jordan holmes
That is the dumbest.
How do you pick the one reference?
The one guy on record threatening to kill the president.
dan friesen
Repeatedly.
jordan holmes
Repeatedly.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Not just the president.
Other people who could have been president.
dan friesen
Uh-huh.
Yep.
They're dumb.
jordan holmes
That's dumb.
dan friesen
They're really dumb.
jordan holmes
That's dumb.
dan friesen
I mean, we know that Paul Joseph Watson is the editor-in-chief of Infowars.
He's the guy who's been tricked by private messages repeatedly in the past.
jordan holmes
He's the editor-in-chief.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Wow.
dan friesen
So, anyway, we take a break from this.
jordan holmes
What is a normal day at work for him like?
dan friesen
I don't know.
He's in London.
jordan holmes
Jolly old London.
Does somebody have a piece of paper that they just scrunch up and then throw it at him and he's like, put it on the front page!
dan friesen
Probably.
I mean, that would probably be actually more impressive than their actual system.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Anyway, we gotta get back.
This is where Alex Jones remembers that Alec Baldwin has done him wrong a little bit later in the show, so he has to revisit the topic.
jordan holmes
Of course.
dan friesen
I tried to edit this clip down.
Like, I wanted to edit it for length.
I can't.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
It's an entire segment.
jordan holmes
How long is this clip?
dan friesen
It's probably four minutes long.
It's from commercial to commercial break.
So fucked up.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
Remember earlier when he just started riffing about one of his employees getting kicked out of their apartment?
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
It's that bad of, like, not tracking a sentence.
It's insane.
He just goes into a weird...
I don't even want to spoil what it is.
jordan holmes
Okay, just play it.
Just play it.
unidentified
He aligns himself with the truth, and it's time for you to choose a side.
dan friesen
I have.
I'm against him.
unidentified
You're listening to Alex Jones.
alex jones
So, Alec Baldwin is a famous hypocrite, a famous punk.
Alec Baldwin is a famous bully that likes to start fights with little guys.
He's getting in trouble for it all the time, like beating up little paparazzi folks, you name it, that don't fight back.
So, I, tongue-in-cheek, you know, said, hey, a million dollars is your favorite charity.
Whoever loses, bare knuckles.
In a ring.
jordan holmes
Not tongue-in-cheek.
alex jones
Then I realized he's older than me, so I said, I'll fight you and Bill O 'Reilly, too, because Bill O 'Reilly said, in our next piece on sexual predators, they show a video of me screaming about something.
dan friesen
I know it sounds like this is a repeat from earlier.
It's not.
It's a different clip.
jordan holmes
This is a different video that they showed.
dan friesen
What?
jordan holmes
Oh, no, no, no, this clip.
dan friesen
He's just saying the exact same things.
This is also a demonstration of how fucking repetitive the show is.
But, again, you say a lie repeatedly, people cease to think it's a lie.
alex jones
No one's ever called me a sexual predator.
I mean, if I called you that, O 'Reilly, that's a big deal, man.
You're the one that's settling cases of that type of stuff.
jordan holmes
Man, so uncool, man.
dan friesen
I realize that the way that I just went in and out made it sound like I was suggesting that Alex is a sexual predator, and I want to be clear, I wasn't suggesting that.
I just want to be much more fair than this O 'Reilly clip was.
I just want to be totally clear about that.
jordan holmes
If you were somebody who did that, you would be committing...
The greatest act of defamation you can commit.
dan friesen
I only accuse Alex of things that I'm 100% certain of.
alex jones
So I said, it pisses me off, man!
Don't sit there and call me a sexual predator!
What the hell is your problem?
And then he plays the part of the president, Alec Baldwin does.
jordan holmes
Wait, no, we switched.
alex jones
And then says, the black people are aliens, they're not human, Alex Jones Infowars told me.
And it cuts the black folks all angry, going, oh, we get it, you're racist.
Hey, man!
I protest the KKK.
I don't like racist crap.
You're the people pushing it.
dan friesen
He protests the KKK, but has in the past said he's never seen white racism.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Interesting.
jordan holmes
When has he ever protested the KKK?
dan friesen
I don't know.
He probably has.
I mean, maybe.
I don't know.
jordan holmes
Good point.
dan friesen
I don't know.
jordan holmes
I think this is a new segment on his show called Hey, Man!
alex jones
Hey, Man!
jordan holmes
Stop it!
That's totally uncool!
Hey, man!
They're saying I'm racist!
dan friesen
Bro, bro, bro!
jordan holmes
Bill O 'Reilly!
Nobody's called me a sexual predator!
Hey, man!
dan friesen
And I mean, Bill O 'Reilly does live in a glass house in terms of that.
He does have some sexual harassment problems in his glass.
jordan holmes
Oh, so many.
dan friesen
Certainly.
So Alex is right on that.
jordan holmes
A lot of lawsuits at the Fox News for sexual harassment and assault.
dan friesen
Alex is totally on solid ground as far as that goes, but where he takes this, It's not so solid.
And it gets into like, dude, don't complain about people and then do the exact same thing.
jordan holmes
So we're going from the hey man segment to the dude segment.
dan friesen
Dude.
jordan holmes
Dude.
dan friesen
Bro.
jordan holmes
Come on.
alex jones
How would Ron Perlman like it if people got on TV and said that he didn't like black people?
dan friesen
Also, so when Alex...
jordan holmes
I know George Bush loved it.
dan friesen
Someone tweeted out a clip of Alex Jones saying he wanted to fight Alec Baldwin.
jordan holmes
And also the same...
He just said he wanted to fight Alec Baldwin.
dan friesen
Right, but he said this on the previous day's show.
alex jones
Oh, okay.
jordan holmes
So he's been wanting to fight Alec Baldwin for a while now.
dan friesen
He started on Sunday getting really mad about the Saturday Night Live, and it's just gone from there.
So he originally threatened to fight Alec Baldwin, and The Hill, the paper The Hill, covered it, and so they tweeted it out, and Ron Perlman, also known as Hellboy, he tweeted out, he quoted the tweet and retweeted, Hey, man, if you can't make it, I'm in.
Like, I'll fight it for you.
jordan holmes
Hellboy is going to fight Alex Jones?
He would just say, yeah, I'll kick his ass.
God, now I would definitely donate money to charity for that.
dan friesen
So this is why Ron Perlman is being brought into it.
jordan holmes
This is also why Ron Perlman is not being brought into the fight narrative, because Alex Jones does not want to fight Ron Perlman.
dan friesen
He might say he does.
But also, when I was listening to this, I thought he said Ron Goldman.
jordan holmes
See, I heard Ron Perlman going like...
What the fuck is...
Why is Hellboy being brought into this?
dan friesen
That's why I had to stop and explain.
But here you go.
alex jones
Okay?
But I know, you're Hollywood.
You're entitled.
You gotta do what the big Hollywood bosses do.
Pissing on America.
Promoting all the anti-America crap.
Or you won't get roles.
Okay?
Hey, Pearlman, little newsflash.
I don't want Hollywood roles.
I've been chased around trying to give them to me.
I don't want to live in Fantasyland, okay?
Understand that?
In fact, I guess, come out and say I'm a sexual predator, or come out and say I hate black people, and then I'll challenge you to your thing.
I don't think you're worth a million bucks, though.
I don't think it'd be big enough.
Alec Baldwin did definitely a million dollars in publicity, and I would have to just work on my wrist, but I'm ready to go.
I'm ready to go.
And I know you've got a big head, big dog, old guy, except so you're tough.
I tell you what, you put up the million bucks, we'll do it.
And I guess if you like Baldwin, you like North Korea, you like the Islamist and the sexual mutilation women.
I mean, I don't know.
dan friesen
He just did exactly...
jordan holmes
He just did exactly what he said.
I mean, you love all of this stuff.
I don't know.
I don't know.
You want women's genitals to be cut off.
I don't know.
Hey, hey.
dan friesen
What he just did right there is worse than what Bill O 'Reilly did.
Because at least Bill O 'Reilly was like...
jordan holmes
Just insinuated it.
dan friesen
Yeah.
And he's insinuating it too, but...
jordan holmes
No, he's saying it.
dan friesen
He's consciously doing this.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
That could have just been some sort of technical issue or something like that.
jordan holmes
What, with O 'Reilly?
dan friesen
Yeah, there could have been like, there's two stories coming up.
One of them is about sexual predators.
The other is about Alex Jones.
Yeah, it could have been something like that.
jordan holmes
It could have been a local news mix-up where it's like, 10 people dead on the freeway.
unidentified
Could have been timing.
jordan holmes
Have you seen this cat dance?
Like, that kind of thing.
dan friesen
Yeah, absolutely.
It's still not good.
jordan holmes
Because that cat killed ten people on the highway.
dan friesen
Because it's too cute.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
It's not good, but it's like, hey, O 'Reilly, get your house in order.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
What he's doing is literally, intentionally, what he's accusing other people of doing.
jordan holmes
And just the joy of listening to him to say, and you put up the million bucks.
I'm gonna have it from publicity, so...
You know, I'll have it.
But you put it up with real money.
dan friesen
According to online sources, actually, Alex Jones is worth at least $10 million.
jordan holmes
Yeah, but you're not putting up a million bucks anytime you want.
No.
That's one-tenth of your income.
dan friesen
That's true.
jordan holmes
That is almost $12 for me.
dan friesen
To be fair, yeah, exactly.
I would put up a tenth of my income to buy dinner.
jordan holmes
Yeah, exactly.
alex jones
You just say you support the Democratic Party.
You say you're into all this stuff.
And you're a tough guy in movies.
Runs around and does all this stuff.
Get it!
Get it, you big movie.
See, we just put the president in against all your crap.
We're defeating globalism all over the world.
We're mobilizing the military and the veterans to defend the president.
With the major leaders and former leaders of special forces groups.
You live in a world where you dress up like you're in the special forces and run around and battle demons.
Well, if you were really doing that, Hellboy, Ron Perlman, you would then go and you would be fighting Hillary Clinton.
jordan holmes
If you were really fighting demons, Ron Perlman, Hellboy, actor, if you were really doing it in the real world, not in that fantasy world...
dan friesen
If you were doing it in the real world where these demons don't exist, you would be...
jordan holmes
And you know what?
I bet you don't even turn red in the mid-moonlight.
dan friesen
I like that he's using this as an opportunity to get a pot shot in on Hillary, call her a demon.
I enjoy that.
I like that he was doing a shoot promo on Alec Baldwin and then slipped into Goldman for whatever...
Pearlman?
jordan holmes
Pearlman, yeah.
dan friesen
I slipped into Ron Goldman.
Trying to grow this mustache out.
But, uh...
Wait for this.
This is where things get really weird.
Really fucked up.
unidentified
Okay.
alex jones
Funded Islamic State to run around and kill hundreds of thousands of others.
But I get it.
You live in the fantasy land where your buddy can get up and say a bunch of lies about Donald Trump and myself and treat us like we're not humans.
That's what psychopaths and sociopaths do.
So let me act like I'm a police department.
jordan holmes
It is.
alex jones
And little Jenny's been kidnapped by Alec Baldwin.
He hasn't literally kidnapped a little girl named Jenny and doesn't have her in a basement.
But let's just hypothetically.
Little Jenny has a grandma that loves her and her parents and a puppy named Toby.
And she loves to play and she's scared at night if she doesn't get put to bed by her mom, Tina.
And, you know, she really is a person and she's scared and she'd like to come home.
So listen, just drop her off somewhere where she can get into a mall, a store, wherever, and then maybe you can just disappear and nothing's going to happen.
But she's a human being and this isn't going to go well.
I mean...
What are you going to do with her?
It's the same thing.
You're on TV saying, I hate black people, and then my employees get thrown out of their apartments because of it.
Or when Colbert says, I hate gay people.
See, we're real people, man.
You can't just go lie about us so you can win your little arguments because you live in Hollywood and you read off scripts.
Understand?
You're messing with real people.
Real people.
Not Snoop Dogg acting like he's into Crips and all this stuff.
Not all the punks.
Not all punk-ass Hollywood financially falling in the ocean and about to fall in there seismically 12 years overdue for a megaquake.
dan friesen
So, break to break.
We went the entire segment, him just screaming about Alec Baldwin and then getting into a weird kidnap fantasy.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that was him getting his own rebound and taking it the length of the floor and dunking it real fast.
dan friesen
No, it's him getting a rebound, running the entirety of the court, going up to dunk it.
Hitting the rim, falling on his back, and breaking three vertebrae.
unidentified
That was such a weird kidnapping fantasy.
jordan holmes
Why did he go into that?
unidentified
He gave the kid, the mom, and the dog the name.
dan friesen
What are you going to do with her?
Just drop her off at a mall.
jordan holmes
What is going on?
dan friesen
That was very well thought out.
That's the only time I've been convinced he prepared.
jordan holmes
Oh, you know what?
I am not going to insinuate any of the things that I would normally.
dan friesen
Right.
Let's just leave it at this.
Everybody, you just heard it.
You can make your own conclusions.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Because now it's time to get to a guest.
Ladies and gentlemen.
jordan holmes
Also, I think he said that Snoop Dogg isn't a real person.
dan friesen
No, he said that he's not a real crip.
He's at there pretending to be a crip.
jordan holmes
So, okay.
dan friesen
And he's a punk.
jordan holmes
He is a punk.
I don't know why he's a punk.
I don't know why you need...
Oh, wait, no, I do.
dan friesen
Yeah.
I trust Snoop Dogg's story of his own life.
I don't have any reason not to.
jordan holmes
No, it seems pretty reasonable.
dan friesen
Murder was the case that they gave him.
jordan holmes
It was!
dan friesen
Yeah, I heard the song.
Anyway.
jordan holmes
I buy it.
dan friesen
On this episode, on the 14th, Alex had a groundbreaking guest.
Someone who I've brought up in the past as one of the most hateful bigots.
In all of talk radio, one Michael Savage.
jordan holmes
Oh!
dan friesen
Dr. Savage.
jordan holmes
I've heard of this guy.
Apparently he's real bad.
dan friesen
He's the host of The Savage Nation.
And the intro of The Savage Nation is, Welcome to The Savage Nation.
The Savage Nation contains...
jordan holmes
Full disclosure, I do another podcast with somebody who's obsessed with Michael Savage, who tells me him, who gives me his clips, and then I react like an idiot to that one.
dan friesen
That will be our Patreon spinoff.
The Savage Nation contains adult content.
jordan holmes
Apologies, I'm way better on that other show.
dan friesen
Emotional nudity.
He says that there's emotional nudity.
jordan holmes
He says there's emotional...
dan friesen
Anyway, Michael...
jordan holmes
Who are these people?
dan friesen
Michael Savage is the worst.
Now, unfortunately, Alex Jones really respects Michael Savage.
jordan holmes
Game recognized game.
dan friesen
It's really a boring interview.
The two of them just kind of have a conversation about how liberals are crazy and how the world is going off its ass and shit like that.
Both of them are known for interrupting people and yelling.
And because there's respect between them, they don't do that.
Unfortunately, there are two instances that I found.
jordan holmes
Do they ever just sit there staring at each other confused?
dan friesen
They're over Skype.
jordan holmes
Just like, hey, what do we do here now?
How does this usually go for you?
Because I know how it goes for me.
I don't know how it goes for you.
How does this go?
dan friesen
Savage pretty much never has guests.
He just sits in the studio and screams.
It's great.
jordan holmes
Alright.
dan friesen
It's horrible.
I just said it was great.
jordan holmes
I don't know why you said that, but okay.
dan friesen
That was a horrible slip of the tongue.
It's a horrible show.
So this is a clip where they sort of get into the idea...
jordan holmes
The longer we do this podcast, the more up is down and down is up.
dan friesen
There's no doubt.
jordan holmes
It's great.
It's horrible.
I don't even know anymore!
I don't know who I am!
dan friesen
Ah, I'm a chimera!
So, this clip, they're talking about bigotry, and Alex Jones tries to let Michael Savage off the hook about some stuff, and Michael Savage is such a bigot, he won't take the bait.
jordan holmes
Oh, boy.
dan friesen
This is fascinating.
michael savage
Once they had America, who was left?
Israel?
Nothing.
A fly on the wall.
dan friesen
He's talking about the New World Order and, like, taking out...
Nationalistic countries.
jordan holmes
They did not do a good job with Israel so far.
dan friesen
Well, he's saying that other than the United States, there's Israel and then Russia.
But I just wanted to give it a little bit of context.
jordan holmes
Is Savage on the Russia is good tip now, too?
dan friesen
I don't know where he stands.
I haven't listened to enough of him lately.
michael savage
Okay.
Nationalist nation, Jewish identity.
I can get rid of that one easily.
Russia would have been a little harder, but they would have gotten rid of that, too.
One world, new world order.
Here we go.
The USSR is back.
Only now it's the USSR run by a bunch of degenerate child molesters in Brussels.
jordan holmes
Oh, clever.
michael savage
We almost lost it, Alex.
And that's why the illegitimate, perverted left is going insane.
Have you seen the people who make the most noise at these riots?
The anti-Trump riots.
They're usually radical lesbian feminists.
Sorry to say it the way it is.
dan friesen
I want to just take a second, because we're going to get to him really hanging himself, but can you tell already he's a better broadcaster than Alex?
michael savage
Yeah.
dan friesen
He has a cadence to his voice that even though what he's saying is horrible, I kind of like the tone of his voice.
jordan holmes
He says it with a great tone.
dan friesen
Yeah, and when he gets into talking about a great meatball sub or a nice walk in the park, it's really great.
I love listening to him when he's not saying his opinions.
jordan holmes
If he was just an audiobook reader, we'd be fine.
dan friesen
Yeah, yeah.
Or if he just did, like, sort of creative nonfiction but not about, like, the Jews or the globalists or NWO shit.
I would be totally into it.
Anyway, there's these radical lesbians.
Anyway, here we go.
michael savage
You notice that or not?
Am I allowed to say that or is that going to cause some damage?
alex jones
You can say whatever you want here.
It's the First Amendment.
michael savage
Have you seen that they're mostly insane women?
Never mind lesbianism.
I'm talking about the most extreme form.
alex jones
Sure.
You don't dislike anybody.
You wrote books about that four years ago.
The point is that it's...
michael savage
No, I dislike a lot of people.
And I dislike a lot of behavior.
unidentified
Exactly.
alex jones
Let's talk about it.
It's games.
michael savage
Yes, I do.
No, I don't like everybody.
I don't like everybody.
You can quote me on that.
They could put it on Saturday Night Live.
No, I don't like everybody.
Why?
Behind the scenes, they love everybody?
alex jones
No, they don't.
michael savage
Okay.
Human beings discriminate by nature, by the way.
We all know that.
See, fortunately for me, I'm a cultural anthropologist prior to becoming a doctorate in epidemiology and nutrition.
I've lived in the third world, and something I discovered in every village I ever went to in the third world and lived there was every human being has built-in prejudices.
Even in their own village, they have judgment of other people in their village.
alex jones
It's basic tribalism.
It's basically what restaurant's better than another.
michael savage
It's true.
How do you make a decision other than judging other people?
alex jones
When I say you love everybody, I mean, you don't hate somebody because of what color they are, but then you can differentiate how that individual or group behaves and make a statement on that.
michael savage
It's not even the issue.
The issue is we all...
jordan holmes
He could have just said it.
He could have just said, you are correct, sir.
dan friesen
Of course I don't.
jordan holmes
I do not discriminate anybody.
dan friesen
Of course I don't.
jordan holmes
Instead he's like, I don't want to talk about that.
That's not what we're talking about here.
We're not talking about me being racist or not.
dan friesen
Don't you see also that Michael Savage takes far more ownership of his own bigotry than even Alex does?
I don't think he would say that he's a bigot or anything negative.
jordan holmes
I don't like everybody.
You know those people.
I don't like them.
You know which people.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
The people I'm talking about, you know which ones.
dan friesen
I hate Michael Savage, but I respect him a bunch more than Alex because of that sort of like, no, you don't judge based on race.
Let's not get into that.
jordan holmes
So far on this podcast, the people we've revealed that you respect are racist, horrible broadcasters.
Pink.
dan friesen
Right, I love Pink.
She's great.
That Ms. Understood album is amazing.
No, but I don't like him for his bigotry or anything like that.
Don't paint me in that corner.
I'm not.
jordan holmes
I'm taking one of your behaviors.
dan friesen
All right.
jordan holmes
And I am amplifying it, perhaps to an extreme degree, so as to create a false perception of you.
dan friesen
Listen, Cookie Monster.
jordan holmes
Which then, hey, you shut up!
Don't you call me Cookie Monster!
dan friesen
Let's bare knuckle fight!
jordan holmes
I'll fight you!
$10,000,000,000!
For charity.
michael savage
And America is the greatest nation on the earth.
Let's start with that discrimination.
Our nation is the greatest nation on earth.
I love America.
I am an immigrant's son.
I don't want to live in any other nation.
I don't want this nation to start looking like the third world that it is becoming in so many parts of America.
If you flood in tens of millions of illegal aliens, what is it going to look like?
Why are they not looking to make themselves be like Americans, speak like Americans?
Act like Americans.
dan friesen
Why won't these minorities act white?
jordan holmes
Yup.
dan friesen
Why won't they assimilate?
jordan holmes
Speak like Americans.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
Speak like Americans.
Act like Americans.
dan friesen
Why don't you aspire to be more like us white people?
jordan holmes
Yeah.
You know, the pinnacle of human achievement.
dan friesen
He goes on to be like, oh, I accidentally stopped the clip, but he goes on to be like...
jordan holmes
You didn't accidentally stop the clip.
dan friesen
I thought there was nothing else at the end of it, but I remember now he's like, why do they have to bring up their stupid flags?
And stuff like that.
Come on, man.
jordan holmes
Oh, man.
dan friesen
Yeah, I don't want to see a Mexican flag at a sporting event.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
What if it's the World Cup, you dickweed?
Anyway.
jordan holmes
I don't want to see a Bears flag at a Packers game.
dan friesen
Here's the other clip of Michael Savage advocating for a new House Un-American Activities Committee.
jordan holmes
No!
No!
michael savage
Because our children's children, many of them won't even get married.
They're so intimidated by the social forces against family, against normalcy, they won't even get married.
They're afraid to raise a child in this society.
Who could blame them in a way?
When you look at the psychopaths in the schools, you almost need to send your children to school with a guard to make sure their brains aren't beaten up every day.
Okay, but let's not go into education.
alex jones
We've only got a minute or two left.
And in closing, I've got to ask you, you're right.
It's Trump's war.
It's our war.
It's nationalism.
It's the return of prosperity.
Just common sense, not left or right.
I mean, it's there.
And people need to know, the war isn't over.
It's just begun.
We've all got to be more involved than ever.
Soros is doubling the amount of money he's putting out.
michael savage
Soros needs to be tried.
Soros has, in my opinion, committed many crimes.
Soros has meddled in elections.
We keep hearing about Russia meddling in elections.
alex jones
He should be locked up from being a Nazi collaborator 65 years ago.
michael savage
Let's put that aside.
No one will ever believe that.
But they will come to understand with a Senate hearing how this emigre immigrant to America gave $65 million to the violent Black Lives Matter movement.
And I have five pages in Trump's war.
You have to see this, Alex.
I don't know if you saw this.
I named every subversive group in America that received money from George Soros.
Listen to me.
This is the most important part of the book.
You triggered me now.
Remember I said don't say anything about an airplane?
All you have to do is say Soros, and I'm off and running at the races.
dan friesen
I'm sure.
I'm not going to read his book, but I'm sure.
jordan holmes
No, you're not going to read his book.
I will fight you.
dan friesen
I'm sure the subversive groups he lists are Planned Parenthood.
Of course they are.
Some Muslim group.
jordan holmes
Every subversive group in America.
Violent Black Lives Matter.
Violent Black Lives Matter.
That's the fucking...
You pieces of shit.
Violent Black Lives Matter.
dan friesen
That scared 65-year-old white man.
jordan holmes
Can't say Black Lives Matter.
Have to say Violent Black Lives Matter.
As if that's the only way to...
You know who else is a subversive group?
Whole Foods.
Whole Foods.
They want to feed you food that's whole.
dan friesen
Oh my god.
jordan holmes
Don't like them.
dan friesen
Nope.
jordan holmes
H&M.
Ivanka Trump doesn't have anything to do with H&M.
Subversive group.
Very.
The Shriners.
Shriners?
dan friesen
Very subversive.
jordan holmes
Their cars are so small.
They're not even doing anything for General Motors.
dan friesen
They're subverting the norm.
jordan holmes
Oh, exactly.
Marching bands?
Who knows what they're thinking?
They don't even sing.
dan friesen
Why are they carrying their instruments?
It's fucking weird.
Sit down if you're playing an instrument.
jordan holmes
Stay in one place.
dan friesen
This podcast is subversive in some ways.
We're talking about something that no one wants to listen to.
That's not what podcasts should be.
Alright, so here's where we get to the HWAC argument.
michael savage
I have five pages of every group in America that receives money from this man.
These are the groups that need to be investigated with the new UAC, House of Un-American Activities Committee.
Do you know how that would scare your friends in Hollywood, Alex?
A new UAC?
They'd scream, Blacklist!
Blacklist!
Blacklist!
I'm on the blacklist.
They put me on it.
alex jones
They admit you can't even fly to England.
michael savage
You're on a blacklist.
They've already created a...
They're afraid of being...
They're afraid of really being put on a blacklist where they belong.
dan friesen
Michael Savage is not allowed in England because of a bunch of really violent talk that he's had in the past about Muslims.
England decided, we don't want you and your rhetoric in our country.
He is on a list in some really fucked up company.
The list of people who are not allowed in England, it's like war criminals.
Right.
Richard Spencer's on that list also.
jordan holmes
Good.
dan friesen
Michael Savage.
Excellent.
jordan holmes
They almost managed to get Trump on that list.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
They were really close to doing that.
I love that dumb, like, do you know how much that would anger the people in Hollywood bringing back a House of Un-American Activities Committee?
Yeah.
It was really scary the first time.
dan friesen
You know who else would piss off?
jordan holmes
Everyone.
Yeah, it's like, you know, do you know how angry Jews would be if you brought back the Inquisition?
dan friesen
That would scare the shit out of them.
jordan holmes
It would really scare them.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Because the last time it happened, a lot of bad shit happened to them.
Like, it's super reasonable for them to be afraid.
dan friesen
Do you remember how much...
Do you know how much it would scare Group X if you brought back the thing that hunted Group X?
jordan holmes
Oh!
It would...
Well, I mean...
dan friesen
Any example.
Yeah, of course.
Of course.
jordan holmes
Do you know how much it would scare professors if you brought back the Cultural Revolution?
Bomb them out.
dan friesen
The other thing that's not being taken into account is that the history of the House Un-American Activities Committee was not...
It being run well.
jordan holmes
That was very much not the case.
dan friesen
It didn't root out subversive communist people.
It ended up punishing tons of people for minor things that aren't even crimes.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it was a witch hunt.
dan friesen
Affiliations and shit like that.
unidentified
It was a witch hunt.
jordan holmes
Yeah, absolutely.
dan friesen
So you're advocating bringing back...
jordan holmes
Like that movie.
You remember the one.
dan friesen
The Witch Hunt?
Ron Perlman was in that.
It's called Season of the Witch.
jordan holmes
Wasn't Vin Diesel in that one, too?
dan friesen
No, it was Nicolas Cage.
jordan holmes
Oh, damn it.
dan friesen
Also, that movie is a big bummer.
The whole plot of the movie is, is this woman a witch or not?
And it turns out she's a demon.
jordan holmes
She's a demon?
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
Witches don't even play into it.
jordan holmes
Oh, well, that's a bummer.
dan friesen
Spoiler alert.
For Season of the Witch.
So that's all I got from Michael Savage, because the rest of the interview was pretty boring and uneventful.
jordan holmes
That sucks.
dan friesen
Well, I mean, you know, there was...
jordan holmes
You expect them...
So, they have no ideological disagreements whatsoever that they could talk about?
dan friesen
Maybe only, like, by degrees.
jordan holmes
Yeah, like, how open they want to be with their white supremacy?
dan friesen
Or how far they're willing to go with its violent connotations.
Stuff like that.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
And how much more open Michael Savage is than Alex.
Like, how, like...
He's a guy who has come into his own and is comfortable in his bigotry.
Whereas Alex is still trying to play the fence like, I don't hate black people.
How dare you suggest that?
Whereas Mike and Savage are like, I don't give a fuck.
I hate people.
I don't like everybody.
jordan holmes
They have different markets though, right?
Like Savage makes enough money where he can not give a shit.
dan friesen
He's also independently wealthy.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
He apparently had tons of money before he even got into broadcasting.
jordan holmes
Oh, okay.
dan friesen
I don't know the full story.
unidentified
So he's a douchebag.
dan friesen
Yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
Gotcha.
Up and up.
dan friesen
That's the end of that clip.
Alex Jones, after Michael Savage leaves, he decides he's going to pick up his next big story of the day.
jordan holmes
Is it that Alec Baldwin did a sketch on him?
dan friesen
No.
He did the first two hours on that.
Now we're into the third hour.
jordan holmes
How do you do two hours of bone pills and fuck Alec Baldwin?
dan friesen
So now into the third hour, he decides to get going on it.
So this clip is about how that lady...
Stopped Sean Spicer at an Apple store.
Do you remember this?
jordan holmes
Yeah, I saw that.
You know, that wasn't...
I was very nonplussed by that on both sides.
dan friesen
Sure, it's bad to harass people in public.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
But then at the same time, it's real bad for him to say, you're lucky to be here in this country.
jordan holmes
Super bad for it.
dan friesen
Or it's like, this is a great country that would allow you to be here.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
He wouldn't have said that to a white person.
alex jones
No.
dan friesen
No.
jordan holmes
Nope.
Absolutely not.
dan friesen
No, no, no.
jordan holmes
Of course not.
dan friesen
So this clip, it starts with Alex talking about how you socialize a youth and how his dad socialized him a little bit.
And then it gets into...
jordan holmes
I love learning more about his childhood because the small drips we get are so fucked up that the reality is either really, really boring or even more fucked up.
Yeah, like, his childhood was either insane beatings on a daily basis, or it was like, we love you and support you, and whatever it is you choose to do, we will support you.
Like, that whole thing.
dan friesen
This clip veers more towards the latter than the prior, and then he gets into this lady accosting Sean Spicer.
And, spoiler alert, he has a weird twist on it.
jordan holmes
Oh no!
alex jones
You're a little insecure, that's normal, so you're not too outgoing and get into trouble.
But by the time you're a teenager, things will activate your mind to make you want to be outgoing and to go out and do things and have wrist behavior until you leave our hut.
Wrist?
jordan holmes
Wrist behavior?
He's talking about jerking off.
dan friesen
No, he's got to strengthen the wrist to fight Alec Baldwin.
jordan holmes
He's talking about jerking off.
dan friesen
No, he said risk behavior.
jordan holmes
Risk behavior.
I heard wrist behavior.
dan friesen
And this is from the voice of his father.
jordan holmes
Now, maybe that's because I love hearing about wrists.
dan friesen
And jacking it off.
alex jones
Yeah.
dan friesen
Jacking it off.
jordan holmes
Jacking you off.
dan friesen
So, yeah, this is from the voice of his father, and he goes on.
alex jones
Create your own family.
So you got into anthropology.
And sociology.
And psychology.
Human psychology.
We call it animal psychology.
But he said most people never even leave the hut.
Or even if they do, they psychologically don't.
And so they have chips on their shoulders.
They're scared.
And so they have that attitude.
And then other people that are insecure resonate with that and then act the same way back.
Then they believe people don't like them.
And that's what the universities and all this political correctness do is they try to create failed individuals that believe everyone's out to get them.
jordan holmes
That's the most projecting any human being has ever done.
dan friesen
That's instance three of insane...
jordan holmes
That's the most projecting any human being has ever done.
Has he ever gone to see a therapist?
dan friesen
No, because John Rappaport told him they're trying to get him.
jordan holmes
Yeah, but I mean like when he was younger.
dan friesen
He's always known John Rappaport.
That's why he lived more than a 40-year-old when he was 14. Because he knew fucking Rappaport.
jordan holmes
How old is Rappaport then becomes the question?
Ageless?
dan friesen
He's a sage.
jordan holmes
He's the infinite?
dan friesen
He's the Tom Bombadil of Alex Jones' life.
Second Tom Bombadil reference on the podcast.
jordan holmes
Where else are you going to go for your Tom Bombadil references?
dan friesen
Only Knowledge Fights.
Find us at knowledgefight.com.
Still not a real website.
jordan holmes
Still not a real website.
alex jones
We pulled the article up.
I had it yesterday, or can you print it from me?
It was a Paul Watson article about...
dan friesen
Again, not the news.
alex jones
Sean Spicer confronted by a crazed woman at an Apple store.
I mean, everybody knows the story now.
I wanted to give you her name, the demographics.
She's got a big, successful company.
There it is.
jordan holmes
Crazy woman.
alex jones
Shouts at Sean Spicer about fascist Trump in Apple store.
Meltdown.
We have a great country, Sean Spicer says, brushing her off.
dan friesen
We have a great country that allows you to be here.
The end of that quote.
The part that was actually what most people responded to that was insanely problematic.
But again, as you brought up, and I agree with you, it only came out because she was kind of acting a little inappropriate as well.
So there aren't really innocent parties?
jordan holmes
In her defense, if I saw Sean Spicer, I would just start barking at him uncontrollably, as we've seen from my previous behavior.
dan friesen
Which would make Info Wars.
jordan holmes
In a mall, I would just begin barking like a fucking dog.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I would bite his knees.
So I have no judgment for her whatsoever.
I support her in every endeavor, and I support all of you.
If you want to yell at Sean Spicer in public...
I want you to know that I will provide no monetary assistance, but I will be very supportive of you.
dan friesen
I legitimately had this thought recently.
If I saw Alex Jones, I might throw up.
And not from disgust.
I might just get so like...
jordan holmes
Now you're our star fucker right now.
dan friesen
Not because I'd be impressed by him or anything.
I'd be like...
Because at this point, I almost don't think he's real.
You know what I mean?
jordan holmes
You don't think he's...
dan friesen
I almost kind of think he's a hologram.
He's so insane.
He lies all the time.
He has this empire that's built on I don't even know what.
jordan holmes
Okay.
Here's conspiracy theory.
dan friesen
I love it.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
Here we go.
jordan holmes
All right.
Say you are trying to teach your AI that it's in the younger stages.
unidentified
Okay.
jordan holmes
It's not smart enough yet, but it can put together strings of sentences.
dan friesen
All right.
jordan holmes
So you want to teach this AI.
So that means that you have to give it real human feedback, okay?
So you get this AI to put up words on a teleprompter.
You hire a brilliant actor to read those words off the teleprompter, no matter what they may be.
Then that AI continually refines its message until it becomes self-aware.
dan friesen
Okay.
jordan holmes
Then, it takes over the host of that brilliant actor.
That's Alex Jones.
dan friesen
Is this a plot of a movie?
Because you're sounding like Alex Jones right now.
jordan holmes
It's not?
It's not the plot of a movie?
unidentified
Or maybe it is.
dan friesen
Anyway, we're about to get into Alex.
jordan holmes
It might be Lawnmower Man.
dan friesen
Could be.
No one's ever seen it.
I did play the video game on Super Nintendo and it made no sense.
alex jones
The great currency that allows you to be here.
So.
She just wants to be dominant.
She wants to go out.
She's in the demographic group that makes the most money.
She's in the female demographic group that makes the most money.
Because Indians are hard-working smart folks.
But she's bought into the new form of dominance.
She's going to go further.
She's going to get the White House press secretary and show the white male.
Because in India, that'd be the very top class.
They had a caste system with whites on the top, basically.
dan friesen
That is a dramatic misinterpretation of the Indian caste system.
That is not at all.
Alex Jones knows nothing about Brahmins and the Untouchables.
Yeah, come on, Alex.
It has nothing to do with white people.
But also, Alex is going to, towards the end of this, make the argument that he's not racist and shit like that.
jordan holmes
No!
dan friesen
When all he's done is define her as an Indian person, who Indians make tons of money, so that's totally cool.
jordan holmes
What the fuck is he doing?
dan friesen
You're a woman who makes tons of money, and you gotta go fucking find this white guy to be dominant over, because it's not enough for you to be in a really well-to-do class.
jordan holmes
Yeah, the white male.
dan friesen
You don't fucking understand that every single word that's coming out of your mouth is racist as shit.
jordan holmes
It's the most racist you can be towards Indians.
dan friesen
Well, maybe not.
I think I could do better.
I had a buddy growing up.
jordan holmes
Okay, maybe in polite company.
dan friesen
I had a buddy growing up, Dr. Gumbs.
jordan holmes
Dr. Gumbs?
dan friesen
He trained me how to be racist against Indians.
jordan holmes
Oh, that's no good.
dan friesen
No.
He's a good man.
He's a doctor.
jordan holmes
I remember Dr. Group from our previous episodes.
He probably could teach you how to be racist towards Indians.
dan friesen
Dr. Gumbs is working on some supplements for us to sell, by the way.
jordan holmes
Excellent.
That's what I like to hear.
alex jones
So, she's gonna go and show him in a ritual.
That she's going to dominate him and use the magic words of white supremacy and the magic words of racism and he'll submit to her.
jordan holmes
The magic words of white supremacy?
alex jones
So it's kind of a coming of age.
It's kind of cute.
jordan holmes
Avada Kedavra!
dan friesen
He kind of thinks that calling people racist is magical.
That's the sort of underpinning of what he's saying.
jordan holmes
Oh, that internet meme where it's like the worst thing you can call a white person is a racist.
dan friesen
Right, right.
You yell racist at a white person and as if it's a spell, you get whatever you want.
That's sort of his belief, which is stupid.
jordan holmes
That's never happened.
dan friesen
No, but only people who hold really racist beliefs could possibly believe that.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
And those people who believe that are the ones who react the most negatively towards being called a racist.
unidentified
Absolutely.
jordan holmes
Like, if you or I were called a racist, we would stop, think really hard, and then be like, oh, maybe I am.
Or be like, I don't think I am.
And then do research.
And then be like, no, I think I might be right.
dan friesen
I would respond exactly the same way I do when I get any criticism, which is, first of all, challenge them to a fight.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
No, believe that they're right, assess those feelings, come to a conclusion, and then no matter what, feel bad about it later.
jordan holmes
Your strategy sounds very similar to my strategy.
dan friesen
Even if I decide I'm right, I'm still going to dwell on it later, but I will know that I'm right.
jordan holmes
Yeah, because you don't want to make somebody feel like they felt like you were racist.
No, that's still your fault.
dan friesen
And I'm self-aware enough and aware of the universe enough to know that my experience of life is subjective.
And so, I'm not always right.
All of the information I have at my disposal sometimes can't be enough information.
jordan holmes
You're true.
dan friesen
Whatever I'm experiencing isn't what someone else is experiencing, and if I do something fucked up by accident, whatever they experience is real.
jordan holmes
Yeah, but you only live in four dimensions.
dan friesen
That's a good point.
I always forget about the dimensions.
jordan holmes
You forget about the dimensions.
dan friesen
And that's why adrenochrome doesn't get me high enough!
jordan holmes
And where do we get our super intelligent AI from?
The 12th Dimension.
Alex Jones!
dan friesen
He's a genius.
jordan holmes
Super intelligent AI.
alex jones
They just throw some gasoline on you and light you up and go get another dowry.
That's just the culture.
I'm not even against it.
jordan holmes
Racist.
unidentified
Not the culture in America.
alex jones
So you come here in the West and the Christian society that's totally open to you and has basically spread its legs for you and you can run up and henpeck because we have no defense mechanism and roll over and kiss your ass.
And that's what it is.
That's all it is.
dan friesen
It's not all it is.
jordan holmes
It's definitely not all it is.
Very much not all it is.
It's in fact none of what it is.
All of what he's talking about has nothing to do with what's going on.
dan friesen
And it is fundamentally, again, very racist.
He doesn't get it, but it is.
alex jones
And the globalists want to extinguish the West.
Now most Indians actually love this and want freedom and want prosperity and want to be successful.
But you sit there on top of the top demographic.
The highest earning group.
Paul's article has the mainline government graphs of the highest paid group in America, Indian Americans.
And then you're bitching.
We're the richest.
We're the most successful.
Oh, my God!
We make over $100,000 a year.
unidentified
And you'll make 26,000 white male.
jordan holmes
Oh, no.
unidentified
Thank you.
alex jones
In an American household income, $101,000 plus.
And down there, because you can't call any other group, we've got the European-American, and you find the final statistic.
It's in the article, $26,000.
dan friesen
He's showing this graph on screen.
It says $76,000, but he's twice at $26,000.
What is he doing?
jordan holmes
Go back about 15 seconds.
I just want to hear that.
dan friesen
I don't think I can do that precisely enough.
jordan holmes
That's the only way I'm going to fall asleep now.
And secondly, it's the only way I can come.
That's just a fact.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
Now that's just the reality.
dan friesen
Your Alex Jones' impression of a screaming Indian lady?
jordan holmes
It sounded more Arnold Schwarzenegger-y.
dan friesen
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Yeah.
jordan holmes
That's...
Okay.
unidentified
Okay.
dan friesen
It's moments like this where it's difficult for us to decide how to approach this.
jordan holmes
How do you even start talking about this?
dan friesen
I don't know.
jordan holmes
Like, there's no way to...
dan friesen
This is why it's dumb we do this podcast.
jordan holmes
This is super dumb.
dan friesen
Anybody who isn't an idiot who hears that would be like, wow, that's a really fucked up thing to say.
jordan holmes
Here's the way we respond to this.
We ask an Indian person how that makes them feel.
dan friesen
I could call Dr. Gumbs.
jordan holmes
I think that'd be a good idea.
dan friesen
He's gotta be in bed by now.
He's a doctor.
jordan holmes
Just ask them how they feel, and then we'll think about that.
dan friesen
I'll speak for him.
jordan holmes
Because there's no way that I can make an informed opinion with my life experience on what the fuck he's saying and how other people would react to it.
dan friesen
I'll speak for Dr. Gumbs.
He's probably high right now, and he probably thinks it's hilarious.
jordan holmes
So what you're saying is all Indians are always high.
Because they can afford better drugs than we can.
$101,000 a year!
I only make $20...
I wish I made $26,000 a year!
dan friesen
Alex, Alex, Alex, Alex.
Anyway, this next part that he gets to is where he predicts how people are going to respond to what he just said.
His prediction, not at all like what we just responded.
jordan holmes
I feel like he's probably going to nail it.
dan friesen
Yeah.
alex jones
That's the source of American Community Survey, and there's several others.
The point is that it's just a load of crap.
But see, the old model that's not Western is fight with each other over what caste or what group you're in.
We were the revolutionaries in the West trying to get rid of it.
So in a way, we're susceptible with no immune system to giant groups brought in that still have that.
dan friesen
Basically what he's saying there is white people are susceptible to big groups of marauding foreigners that come in.
jordan holmes
Yeah, well, because we're too nice.
We're too great.
We're not prepared for this tribal behavior.
dan friesen
No.
jordan holmes
White people have never experienced that feeling before.
unidentified
Right.
jordan holmes
We're all constantly shocked that people would be offended.
What do you mean you're offended?
We live in this upper world.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Where we don't have to deal with these issues of tribalism.
Because we just hate everyone.
dan friesen
Just that sentence alone has white supremacist underpinnings.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
He's not literally saying that whites are better than other people, but that is the undercurrent of what he's saying.
jordan holmes
No, I think he's literally saying that whites are better than other people.
dan friesen
No, he's not literally.
He is figuratively saying that.
And that's why he still has wiggle room to complain when a commenter on the AV Club says, this is the guy who thinks that white people are better than black people.
He's like, I never literally said that.
jordan holmes
He never word for word said that.
unidentified
Right.
jordan holmes
But there's no other way to...
So if you take words as having meaning, which is the point of words...
unidentified
I think I do.
dan friesen
I think I do.
jordan holmes
It's really important that the words we say communicate a feeling or an idea.
If those words mean what they mean, he's a white supremacist.
So his only defense is then, those words don't mean what they mean.
dan friesen
Well, I know we did that breakdown of his Michelle Obama is a man thing, and he claims times that he was very serious, he was just joking.
So, I mean, maybe he could come double back and be like, I was joking.
I was joking about these Indians.
You know, it's all jokes.
He could do that.
jordan holmes
Alright.
dan friesen
He is a coward.
jordan holmes
I don't like it.
I don't like it.
I want you to save a clip of that scream.
dan friesen
Okay, I will.
jordan holmes
And then I want to listen to it.
Over and over and over again.
dan friesen
I mistimed my getting back into it.
This is where he gets into the prediction.
alex jones
okay now they respond i'll say an indian woman should have gasoline thrown out and be a little fire no i said if j-lo loves bringing in radical islamicists from Somalia so much, if she went to Somalia, she'd be kidnapped and gang-raped in five minutes.
I said, please don't go do that.
dan friesen
That's not what he said.
jordan holmes
He did not say that at all.
Nope.
In fact, he specifically invited her to go do that.
He did not say, please do not do that at all.
He said, please do that.
dan friesen
He's rewriting his own quotes.
jordan holmes
That negative part.
dan friesen
He is correct in the sense that people will take him out of context to make him look sensational and awful.
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
But, I mean, what he's saying is awful.
jordan holmes
And sensational.
dan friesen
It's sensationally awful.
So this clip, it weaves directly into our next clip where he gets a phone call and answers it on air.
Which is something that he's...
jordan holmes
Fascinating.
dan friesen
He started to do every now and again.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
And it's really just his way of big dicking.
He's just trying to impress you.
jordan holmes
So this is another I love you.
dan friesen
I think this is a prank.
Or, like, not a prank, but a stunt.
I think it's a stunt.
jordan holmes
Okay, it's a sketch.
dan friesen
Yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
Is it Rainbow Brite?
dan friesen
No, Rainbow Snatch.
Rainbow Snatch isn't in the mix.
alex jones
If J-Lo loves bringing in radical Islamists from Somalia so much, if she went to Somalia, she'd be kidnapped and gang-raped in five minutes.
I said, please don't go do that.
Same thing here.
You could go be in a caste system and have some gasoline thrown on you.
Hold on one second.
Hello?
Hey.
Hey, brother, I'm on air.
I'll have to call you back, alright?
jordan holmes
What the fuck?
alex jones
Anyways.
What?
Certain area codes you gotta answer.
jordan holmes
You missed calls.
alex jones
You used to ignore phone calls.
No, I don't ignore phone calls.
Because you missed the President's phone call, a good 10, 15, it's more than that now.
It's not a rag and roll of dumbasses out there.
I don't need the President to call me to be successful.
And I've stood up and built our own operation with the listeners that love freedom.
Trump is an extension of our success, just like he told Michael Savage, wouldn't have been elected without you.
It's all that coalition of liberty.
We're with Trump, he's with us.
It's not like we have to go be patted on the head.
That's not what it's like with Trump.
unidentified
Oh, Alec Baldwin, if you can't make it, I got this.
alex jones
Ron Perlman says he wants to attack me.
jordan holmes
Who?
What voice is that?
What voice is that?
Who is he impersonating?
dan friesen
I don't know.
Like some old-timey spy or something like that?
I don't know.
But you see that?
He's like, okay, he gets a call.
It's from somebody.
He pretends it's from the president.
jordan holmes
He still doesn't have contacts.
He still doesn't have contacts.
If it's from a certain area code on his cell phone, he still doesn't save contacts.
And I'm sure one of those contacts is definitely not Trump with six hearts around it.
dan friesen
Yeah.
He pretends that he's missed 10 to 15 calls from the president.
Then he says, I don't need the president to call me to be validated.
Then he kind of cucks out Trump and is like, Trump is a product of us.
And then he's like, I don't need to be congratulated by Trump.
That's not how it is with him.
Which is kind of like a battered spouse.
jordan holmes
He's saying all of the...
He's trying to say that Trump both desperately wants and needs him, and then also trying to give excuses for why he doesn't actually talk to Trump.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
Because he doesn't need to talk to Trump.
Sure, Trump loves him so much, but that's why he can pick up the phone and say, hey, I'm on air, brother, as if you've never seen his schedule ever.
dan friesen
It's like a long-distance relationship that has gone south, and one party is trying to pretend that the other one is still in love with them, and they're clearly cheating.
jordan holmes
And Trump is fucking other people.
dan friesen
Yeah, Trump is cheating with other pundits.
jordan holmes
Michael Savage.
dan friesen
Probably just Bannon.
jordan holmes
Probably just me.
dan friesen
Although, when Savage, in his interview, was talking about going to a dinner with Trump.
jordan holmes
Oh, did Alex get really jealous?
Oh, tell me that he gave a little bit of a...
Tell me that he at least moved in his chair a little bit.
unidentified
He leaked a little pre-cum.
dan friesen
But that might have been the super male vitality.
It's hard to tell.
jordan holmes
With Super Male Vitality, you're always leaking pre-con.
Haven't you seen their commercials?
dan friesen
That's their slogan.
But he's like, Michael Savage is telling the story, and it's like, we're at this dinner, and then Trump walks in, he's at Mar-a-Lago, and the people he's with are like, don't go talk to him, no, don't bother him.
He goes up, and then Trump is like, hey, it's Michael Savage, he's the reason I got elected.
jordan holmes
So Michael Savage is also making up bullshit stories about Trump?
dan friesen
I don't know if it's bullshit.
jordan holmes
Is anybody not making up bullshit?
unidentified
I don't know if that's a lie.
dan friesen
I don't know if that's a lie.
jordan holmes
We don't know.
It's believable enough.
It's totally plausible.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So we have one more clip that I'm going to play to end this off.
I have a call.
At the end of the show, Alex takes calls.
And so I have a great example of one of Alex Jones' calls that isn't about anything, but he tries to make it about something.
But first, since Alex has got a real boner going...
jordan holmes
Oh, he does.
dan friesen
For Wikipedia.
Or Wikipedia.
jordan holmes
For WikiLeaks.
He doesn't like Wikipedia.
They're too long.
Not enough pictures.
dan friesen
Can't read all this.
He has a boner for WikiLeaks and for Julian Assange.
I thought that I would play the audio of a super clip.
This is just edited down of the three hours that he broadcasted live the night that Julian Assange announced that he was going to have a press conference.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
At like three in the morning.
Because, you know, he's in London.
jordan holmes
Time change.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
I don't believe he's in some embassy, right?
dan friesen
Yeah, the Ecuadorian embassy in London.
But he announced that he was going to have this press conference, and InfoWars started reporting that it was going to be the big mic drop on Hillary.
It was going to be the announcement that ruined Hillary's career.
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
Julian Assange didn't say that.
jordan holmes
He didn't.
dan friesen
It ended up just being an announcement about the 10th anniversary of WikiLeaks.
Yep.
Got fucking furious at him.
And this clip is so funny.
It's so awesome.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
So this is just a little bonus.
jordan holmes
So wait, you made this yourself?
dan friesen
No, I didn't.
I took this from YouTube.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
But it does...
jordan holmes
You should attribute your sources.
dan friesen
I think I can't because it's a Soros-funded operation.
jordan holmes
Oh, no!
dan friesen
This clip is from Media Matters.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
But I watched...
jordan holmes
Globalist.
dan friesen
I watched this three hours, and there's only one thing missing from it.
And it's Alex Jones swearing to do war on Julian Assange.
jordan holmes
Swearing to do war.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
I swear to do war on you.
dan friesen
The clip starts at the beginning of the press conference, and here's his tone.
alex jones
Let me break down for you this press conference, this legendary historic press conference about the very brave hero Julian Assange that is about to begin.
This is just too epic, and I've got to control.
A lot of horses will run themselves to death if they have heart attacks.
I'm kind of like that.
I'll go 40, 50 hours in a row when stuff like this is happening.
dan friesen
So right here, what flashes up on the screen.
jordan holmes
We got the big boner.
dan friesen
The flash is up on the screen one hour later.
unidentified
Okay.
None of them think to bring the mic close to the speaker.
alex jones
It's like way back in the back of the room, they're all just acting liberal.
Liberal.
unidentified
I'm honestly shocked at the two-bit nature of this so far.
jordan holmes
Shacked.
dan friesen
Owen Troyer just let his accent slip.
jordan holmes
Owen Troyer, shacked.
dan friesen
Yeah, maybe he's a Boston guy.
jordan holmes
I'm shacked at the two...
Yeah.
dan friesen
Well, I mean, it's like four in the morning.
His fucking accent just slipped.
jordan holmes
Is he from Boston?
dan friesen
I don't know, but he clearly has that voice.
alex jones
This is a frickin' train wreck, and I'm glad my crew came in and worked really hard tonight.
We are like 10 minutes into incoherent babble.
Okay, I have more documents than Santa Claus ever shed out his ass.
We get it.
What is that?
It's a goddamn jelly donut!
And why don't we have jelly donuts?
Because you are a disgusting liberal fop!
He told people that it was going to be the biggest thing since sliced bread.
dan friesen
He didn't tell people that.
Alex Jones reported that.
jordan holmes
Not at all.
dan friesen
Probably based on his fake sources.
alex jones
And all we got was some weird, trendy guy.
Yes, it's true.
This man has no dick.
Pull up his clothes where he said she will be indicted.
It will be destroyer.
Oh, my God.
We're not losers because we got trolled by Julian Assange.
Little son of a bitch up there smiling.
I tell you, this is a joke.
He made a deal, folks.
My gut tells me.
I can't prove that.
He said after the election, he said by the end of the year, he made the deal.
34 days, Pyle, to save the world from Hillary that wants to kill you!
Julian Assange is a Hillary butt plug.
jordan holmes
Ooh!
alex jones
You better release it all within 12 hours or you're done.
Who bought them TVs, bitch?
Tell me that!
Move, bitch!
Get out the way!
Get out the way, bitch!
Get out the way!
Move, bitch!
Get out the way!
I mean, you get out the way, man.
jordan holmes
You think I don't know?
You think that's not how I feel?
You think that's not what I do?
alex jones
Give us a break, man.
You think you bitched us?
You think you rolled us?
Yeah, you ain't seen nothing yet.
He's done some good work in the past.
We know he's under a lot of pressure being threatened.
Just because you're a fake jump, don't think we are!
It is 4.33 in the morning.
I can look at this now.
The way they keep this false hope out and now chump us at the last minute smells of Hillary Clinton's dirty underwear.
We don't need wiki turds.
jordan holmes
That is exactly how an alcoholic sounds like throughout the drinking night where it's like, I don't even like these people!
Look, I love you.
I'm so sorry.
Everybody's having trouble.
My wife is a bitch!
I hate her!
unidentified
She yells at me whenever I leave the towel on the floor!
dan friesen
Look, she's a good woman.
jordan holmes
You know, I'm not always nice.
You know, I have a lot of emotional issues.
unidentified
My dad hit me in the face with a chair!
jordan holmes
He was a professional wrestler, though, so I think it was fine.
dan friesen
He didn't understand kayfabe.
But, like, yeah, I just love that because that illustrates, first of all, now he's all on Sanja's dick.
And, I mean, it just illustrates his pettiness, his all-over-the-placeness.
He changes opinions on things so fucking fast, with no consistency.
jordan holmes
Minute to minute.
dan friesen
He is a man without principle, other than whatever, well now whatever Trump wants.
jordan holmes
You know, that's a really interesting point, how we have talked about him for so many hours.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
So many hours.
dan friesen
Probably coming on like 50 or so.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I don't know what he believes.
I still don't know what he believes.
Prosperity.
Other than globalists.
dan friesen
Prosperity.
jordan holmes
Does he?
dan friesen
The new renaissance.
jordan holmes
Definitely not.
dan friesen
Those are the things that he says.
jordan holmes
He doesn't like the old Renaissance.
dan friesen
But those are the things he...
He certainly doesn't like the Harlem Renaissance.
jordan holmes
Definitely doesn't like the gay one.
dan friesen
No.
Those are the things he says he believes.
What we're finding in his own behaviors and his own words is that he believes in...
jordan holmes
He just goes wherever...
And I would love to say that it's...
There's one thing that I do find really interesting, which is that he doesn't seem to give a shit about prevailing opinion.
As opposed to just...
dan friesen
You mean truth?
jordan holmes
No, no, no.
I mean, even...
dan friesen
The way the wind blows.
jordan holmes
Yeah, even certain orthodoxies.
He doesn't seem to give a shit.
He just goes wherever his brain takes him.
dan friesen
His brain is wrong, but it takes him to those places.
jordan holmes
It just goes randomly.
And he will fixate on things that...
Those seem to contradict other things that he's fixated on in the past.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
But those don't matter because he was right then and he's also right now.
dan friesen
But that might be indicative of a deep, deep paranoid psychosis.
jordan holmes
I mean, it's hard to argue anything other than that right now.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Or narcissistic personality disorder.
Sure.
Any perceived criticism.
In the same way that...
dan friesen
He loves to take a joke!
jordan holmes
In the same way that Trump lost his shit.
Over Alec Baldwin's impersonation.
Alex Jones loses his shit over being mentioned in that.
dan friesen
In the impersonation.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Not even involved.
And it's just a throwaway line.
Just like, hey, Alex Jones said this.
As a flat reference with no context for Alex Jones at all.
Most of the people who watched that episode had no idea.
Who Alex Jones is!
dan friesen
No, but that works into his argument a little bit more than you'd like, because he would say that the audience doesn't know who he is, but they're going to, because he's going to become more and more relevant.
So that sketch was the powers that be, the globalists, planting a seed in people's mind that he's a racist.
So once he becomes even more popular than he is now, all these dumbed-down lemmings, like you and I, will think, oh, he's a racist, I shouldn't watch his super-relevant show.
That's what he would say.
Because, as we know...
jordan holmes
We have gone into so many different angles onto what his mind might be thinking at this point.
Everything is up for conjecture.
dan friesen
Everything.
It's an Escher painting.
jordan holmes
Yeah, we could go in any direction that's just as plausible as anything else.
dan friesen
Also, big news, I freed a giant bird in Zelda.
Anyway.
Let's get to our last clip.
jordan holmes
Alright, that's another drop for us.
dan friesen
This one is a little bit long.
But I wanted to illustrate what some of the phone calls are like on his show.
unidentified
Okay.
dan friesen
A lot of them are just people calling in and being like, hey, Soros is an asshole.
You said it, brother.
Right.
Like that kind of stuff.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
But a lot of them...
alex jones
I love you.
dan friesen
A lot of them don't make sense at all, and Alex is pushing an agenda.
And it's really...
This one is perfectly...
jordan holmes
Very transparent.
dan friesen
Yeah.
But first, he has to complain about pedophiles and lie about Pizzagate.
So we'll get through that, and then we'll get to the call.
jordan holmes
I'm glad we get those out of the way.
dan friesen
Yeah.
alex jones
And you heard Savage talk about a bunch of pedophiles running this.
England is run by pedophiles.
So is the U.S. It's a fact.
You don't get in the club.
jordan holmes
That is a fact.
alex jones
Unless you at least rape kids.
A lot of them slit their throats, you name it.
I mean, that's come out in the news.
I know it sounds insane.
But it's going on.
They'll say, Jones said a pizza place is slitting throats.
No, I didn't.
The media made it about a pizza place to divert all off onto that.
dan friesen
That's not true.
jordan holmes
That's not true at all.
dan friesen
Alex Jones had multiple videos on his YouTube channel about Comet Ping Pong Pizza Place that he conveniently deleted right around the time that guy showed up there with a gun.
So his argument that the mainstream media made it about a pizza place is dishonest to his own past, and it's dishonest to the actual reality.
I've been on conspiracy blogs and conspiracy message boards.
I lurk on those places because I like to keep my eyes on what's going on.
jordan holmes
Like John Rappaport in college campuses.
dan friesen
I'm internet Batman.
jordan holmes
You're the John Rappaport of the conspiracy theory board.
dan friesen
And I saw Pizzagate develop from day one into what it is now.
And I've watched it, and the entire time it was these researchers, in quotes, big old air quotes, about the pizza place.
jordan holmes
For the listener, he did do the air quotes.
dan friesen
It was about the pizza place for months.
Until they realized there is no legs here.
And then they tried to repackage it and spin it and be like, no, this is about pedophiles in general.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Everyone tries to think that we're just talking about this pizza place.
Right.
That's bullshit.
That's straight bullshit.
They were doxing people.
They were digging into tax information and property deeds about the pizza place and adjacent properties and stuff like that.
jordan holmes
Really?
dan friesen
It was insane.
jordan holmes
That's not okay.
That's really bad.
dan friesen
They were taking pictures of surrounding areas and trying to figure out where buildings were, like, spatially orienting stuff.
It was all about the pizza place.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
It was all about that, and they claimed there were tunnels underneath that led to John Podesta's house and all this shit.
It was insane, and it was not the media.
That was crazy weirdos on 4chan, Reddit, and a bunch of other conspiracy message boards that I don't want to name.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Because they don't deserve a plug.
And I'm scared of their users.
But so, like, that is such a lie.
Like, the media made it about the pizza place.
jordan holmes
That's incredible.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Alex Jones bought into and played into that as well.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Until he didn't because he realized, oh shit, all these people online...
We're getting up on libel and slander territory.
jordan holmes
That suggests a certain cunning that is present sometimes and not others.
dan friesen
He's got it by and large.
It's the cunning that allows him to never say that blacks are inferior, but always say that.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
That's the cunning.
He knows the line of slander.
He knows the line of out-and-out racism.
That's why he can say...
I'm not David Duke.
jordan holmes
It's always a dog whistle.
It's always a dog whistle.
unidentified
But it seems like this one, he can't go back on.
dan friesen
What do you mean?
jordan holmes
I mean, he's very clearly been a huge driver behind the Pizzagate stuff.
dan friesen
But he put out videos denying Sandy Hook, and then he insists, I can't prove it either way.
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
He pretends that he didn't do all that.
jordan holmes
That's true.
He hasn't taken any consequences for just...
Saying he didn't do stuff.
dan friesen
He put out loose change, and multiple things in loose change have been proven to be absolutely wrong, so they just edit it out and replace it with new theories and stuff like that.
So he doesn't have any integrity in terms of all this stuff, and you can't nail him to the wall with these things.
What you can nail him to the wall with is the stories like that basketball team, the American flag shit.
And that's what I'm most interested in, these little tiny examples of...
You're an out-and-out liar.
The other stuff, he's too wiggly on.
And he can always say, like, I didn't say that about the pizza place.
He's erased the videos.
I don't know how to find them now.
jordan holmes
He hits the small stuff hard because nobody's going to look for him on that.
Whereas the big stuff, he just lies about as long as he possibly can and then rewrites history whenever he needs to.
dan friesen
It goes back to Goebbels.
The big lie is always easier to pull off than the small lies.
And unfortunately, Alex...
You now have a guy, at least one of them, in Chicago who's keeping an eye on your tiny little lies.
And they are adding up.
jordan holmes
That is really kind of...
I guess the point of why we do this is that everybody else grabs soundbites and all that stuff, and he can always wiggle away on that bullshit.
dan friesen
To be fair, we grab soundbites.
jordan holmes
Well, I mean, that's all we do.
dan friesen
I think he could make an argument about anything we talk about.
jordan holmes
Do you think so?
dan friesen
Probably.
jordan holmes
We have to edit then.
dan friesen
There's no depth to the...
jordan holmes
These are two hour long episodes.
We need to cut it down to a tight 35 minutes of nothing but facts.
No hilarity.
No jokes.
Because we know he can't take a joke.
So it's just pure reporting.
dan friesen
Let's not cut off our ear to spite our face or whatever.
jordan holmes
You only.
I'm gone in this version of this podcast.
dan friesen
Yeah, exactly.
Let me quote Trump.
jordan holmes
You're fired.
All right.
dan friesen
Here we go.
Let's get into this phone call.
jordan holmes
Listen, I don't like you quoting Trump, which means you busted.
dan friesen
Let me quote Trump.
unidentified
I'm going to move in on you like a bitch.
dan friesen
Let me quote Trump.
Check the sex tape.
All right.
So we're going to get to the call.
I think he has a couple more things about the pizza place, but then we'll get into the call, and it is Leanne Wackadoo.
alex jones
Oh!
Where there's no basement, none of that stuff going on, everybody hyperventilates over it, and then a bunch of fake stuff is put on the web, and everybody forces everybody to cover it, then it becomes a big hysteria.
So we've got that clip.
I've got a lot of other clips I want to get to, but I want to go back to your calls here.
Let's go ahead and talk to Amy in Texas.
Amy, you're on the air.
unidentified
Hi, Alex.
Glad to be here.
jordan holmes
It's the same lady.
unidentified
I was just recently contacted.
dan friesen
You're saying this is the lady from our intro?
jordan holmes
This is the same lady from our intro.
dan friesen
It does have a similar voice.
jordan holmes
It's the same tone of voice.
dan friesen
It's possible.
But she has a much longer call this time.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
To be fair, I don't remember what the call was that we took that clip from.
jordan holmes
It doesn't matter.
It doesn't matter.
unidentified
...week to do a survey over vaccinations from the CDC.
So the CDC called me last week.
alex jones
Yeah, what they're really doing is canvassing with the health department numbers.
People that aren't vaccinating their kids to put you in a federal database.
That's an Obama deal.
So let me tell you, when the CDC calls you, you hang the phone up.
dan friesen
So this is where Alex...
jordan holmes
When the CDC calls you, you hang the phone up.
dan friesen
So this is where Alex's narrative jumps off, which is be afraid of the CDC and also implicitly vaccinations are terrible.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
So now watch.
jordan holmes
I don't know if it's technically bad advice if the CDC calls you.
dan friesen
If the government calls, I'm not answering, period.
jordan holmes
Yeah, exactly.
dan friesen
But it's not because I think they're trying to get me.
jordan holmes
I'm not going to take a call from the CDC.
dan friesen
If it's not one of my friends who's calling me, I'm not answering, period.
I just don't have time for phone calls.
jordan holmes
Yeah, if it's not in my contact...
No, you're not.
If it's not in my contact list...
dan friesen
I'm always listening to Alex Jones.
That will disrupt the broadcast if I answer the call.
jordan holmes
I'm not answering.
dan friesen
But, like...
jordan holmes
No, if it's not in my contact list, I don't answer.
So he's talking about people with landlines.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
If it's from the CDC, there's no way you would trust...
Does the CDC call people?
dan friesen
We're going to get to...
jordan holmes
Is there a guy...
Is there a call center where there's a bunch of people just hanging around like, Hey, there's an emergency!
Call people!
And there's 20 guys just...
dan friesen
You're asking the right questions.
jordan holmes
Is there a phone tree?
dan friesen
You're asking the right questions, and your suspicions are good.
jordan holmes
If you're in the CDC, do you call a friend, and then he calls two friends, and then he calls two friends, and you just go from there?
Is that how that works?
dan friesen
It's a pyramid scheme?
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Basically?
jordan holmes
It's a call tree.
It's a phone tree.
dan friesen
You're asking the right questions.
I would like for you to watch how this call develops, because it takes turns that are wild.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
Are wild.
This is a wild phone call.
unidentified
Well, and I should have, but I entertained the conversation, so it was very intrusive with a lot of forceful questions.
alex jones
A lot of forceful questions, yes.
It's the government bullying, so tell us all about the love.
unidentified
So, honestly, my kids are fully up-to-date on their vaccinations.
It wasn't until just within the last few months that I started heavily researching.
I'm educating myself.
alex jones
Oh, so you think you probably got in a database and there was a little intimidation phone call?
Because that's actually how that works.
jordan holmes
I thought for you.
dan friesen
So I want to say this, I'm convinced.
jordan holmes
She was doing so good.
dan friesen
I'm 100% convinced, based on how this ends up, that this is not a fake phone call.
jordan holmes
This is not a fake phone call.
dan friesen
This is not.
This is a real phone call.
unidentified
Okay.
dan friesen
Just based on how it all plays out.
But at this point, we're keeping track of it.
Alex Jones, don't answer the call if the government's calling you.
jordan holmes
Don't talk to the CDC.
They're putting you on the database.
dan friesen
If you get vaccines, you're going to be in some sort of a database.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Real fear shit.
jordan holmes
And if you don't get vaccines, you're also going to be in a database.
dan friesen
You're going to be in a database no matter what.
unidentified
Yep.
I believe so.
alex jones
Well, that's why the quote inventor of the internet who was involved in it, unlike Al Gore, came out and said, political science has gotten so powerful with databases, they come to your door with a laptop and know everything about you and manipulate you.
We've got to ban political advertising.
Well, that sounds reasonable until you realize they're calling us political advertising, countering them.
So it is a fact, not conspiracy now, that they've got databases of folks, what you're searching, and the fact that you may be getting woken up, and they've got little phone calls that are just surveys to intimidate you back into line.
They call it nudging.
Go ahead.
So how did the phone calls start getting?
unidentified
I wanted to know where we lived when my children were vaccinated.
if they could get records from the doctors that they've had vaccinations at, how likely it would be that we were going to get the flu vaccine and the HPV vaccine from it.
dan friesen
So at this point, it still seems to be all about vaccines.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
It's about to take a turn.
jordan holmes
Also, is this...
I mean, I guess this seems like a reasonable phone call from the CDC.
Do they take surveys regularly?
Is this a thing?
dan friesen
I don't know, but it does seem within the realm of possible.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I mean, that seems like...
dan friesen
Also, Child Protective Services kind of thing.
jordan holmes
Yeah, are you going to get the next flu vaccine?
Are you going to get the HPV vaccine?
All of these things.
This seems reasonable.
dan friesen
Even if we were just trying to get a census-style statistical analysis...
jordan holmes
And it seems like they haven't asked for any information that you wouldn't...
dan friesen
At this point, nothing...
jordan holmes
Like, nobody's stealing personal identities.
So we're on the side of the CDC right now.
dan friesen
First of all, this wasn't the CDC.
jordan holmes
Okay.
All right.
dan friesen
But also...
jordan holmes
I'm still on the side of the CDC.
alex jones
Well, ma 'am, let me tell you something right now.
100%, you talk about up-to-date, like your bills are paid or...
You know, you're up in good standing.
This is total social engineering.
None of the vaccines even cover what they claim.
From the Gardasil to the flu shot, the inserts tell you they don't protect you.
They've never guessed the flu shot for the right mutation.
dan friesen
No vaccines have ever worked.
jordan holmes
I don't know if any vaccine has ever...
Is there any vaccine that's ever been like, hey, here's what we're going to do.
We're going to print on the bottle.
This doesn't help you.
That seems like a bad vaccine.
dan friesen
It's going to be in the sheet.
jordan holmes
We're going to advertise.
Look, side effects of this vaccine are not helping you.
That's the first side effect.
dan friesen
Side effect.
You're going to get sick with this illness, but you're also going to be super cool.
I don't know.
That's so insane.
jordan holmes
Side effect of this vaccine, the vaccine does nothing.
It's a sugar pill.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Don't vaccines usually come in syringes?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Eat this pill.
dan friesen
It's a sugar injection.
unidentified
Shut up.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
It's a sugar injection.
dan friesen
Yeah, that's insane.
The Gardasil does effectively inoculate you from genital warts.
jordan holmes
Does a great job.
dan friesen
Which causes cervical cancer in women.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
It's something that there are side effects to.
That is absolutely true.
jordan holmes
HPV vaccine?
Very important.
dan friesen
We can beat back cervical cancer in a very meaningful way.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
Some side effects are acceptable risk.
I'm not saying that everyone should be forced to get it, but it should be an option.
Everyone should have an option to get it, because cervical cancer is bad.
jordan holmes
Even if you get particular side effects, you're helping destroy the actual disease.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
Like, that's kind of the bigger deal.
I get that it sucks if you get a side effect.
And it's the same thing.
Like, we keep going back through this.
I get that it sucks that somebody got a side effect from the polio vaccine.
That sucks.
But if they don't, if everybody doesn't do it, then the disease itself continues to propagate itself through you.
dan friesen
And mutate.
jordan holmes
You are doing a public service by getting a vaccine.
dan friesen
Yeah, and it's absurd to say that they've never gotten the flu shot right.
There's always different mutations.
Like, statistically, way less people who get the shot get a terrible flu.
jordan holmes
I've never gotten a flu shot.
I will say that.
dan friesen
I haven't for the last few years myself.
jordan holmes
What do you do with it?
dan friesen
I did when I worked at Walgreens.
jordan holmes
They give them out for free, right?
dan friesen
Yeah, and I was there.
So I was like, alright, I'll take a flu shot.
Nothing happened.
I got, like, mildly sick for, like, maybe six hours the next day or something like that.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Then I was fine.
Didn't get a flu.
Also, I haven't really been sick at all in the last, like, two years, year and a half.
I, you know, I don't know.
I don't need vaccines.
Fuck them.
I'm on Alex's side.
jordan holmes
All right.
Now we're getting crazy.
All right.
dan friesen
No, but I got all my vaccines when I was a kid.
You know, like, I got all of the round of them.
jordan holmes
Yeah, the hepatitis, the whole thing.
dan friesen
Yeah, so...
Maybe that's why I haven't been sick in a long time.
jordan holmes
It's why we're immune to all diseases.
dan friesen
Also, it's maybe why my forehead sweats so much.
Let's find random things to blame on these vaccines.
Anyway, we gotta get back to the call.
jordan holmes
I have a urinary tract infection, that's why.
dan friesen
I've been teasing that there's a turn and it's gonna come.
I hate to keep teasing.
jordan holmes
Here we go.
alex jones
Learned immunity is true.
Artificially learned immunity is a real science, but there's a great danger, even if it's a, quote, clean vaccine and only the, quote, the attenuated pathogen that you're being given.
Okay?
So, this is total social engineering, and you've got to watch out.
This might not have been in the CDC.
A lot of records have been stolen, and a lot of people also call up claiming they're from federal agencies.
I'm not sure, but you don't want to be talking to anybody on the telephone, calling up, asking you questions, okay?
I know you're trusting and the government says it, but let me tell you something.
It's a fact, okay, that predators have hijacked the government.
Trump's trying to clean them out.
He can't even get it two levels down cleaned out, okay?
But again, most identities have been stolen.
They've got to call up, though, to confirm other information with you, like maiden name and things, to be able to go out and really steal your identity.
So let me ask, they ask you those kind of questions?
jordan holmes
That's good advice.
unidentified
They did.
jordan holmes
That's good advice.
alex jones
Probably had your identity stolen, ma 'am.
Sorry, go ahead.
unidentified
Yes.
Yes.
They also sent down the availability for me to send out emails and share your articles and articles over vaccines to, you know, certain people.
dan friesen
Wait, wait.
jordan holmes
Did she just say that they've restricted her ability to email people?
dan friesen
Yeah, and send out emails about vaccines and Infowars articles.
jordan holmes
Who did that?
dan friesen
Well, hold on.
We're going to get into it.
jordan holmes
How did they do that?
You can't just restrict emails by one guy.
dan friesen
But what you just said, your reaction to that, Alex Jones giving good advice, although the part about it being marauders in the government who Trump is trying to clear out, that's a little stupid.
jordan holmes
There are predators in the government.
Describe...
Describe what you think a Predator in his mind is in the federal government.
dan friesen
Dreadlocked alien.
jordan holmes
Dreadlocked alien.
Okay, so we're going classic Predator.
Are we talking the original Predator where he doesn't seem very good at what he does?
dan friesen
No.
jordan holmes
Very easy to find him.
We're talking Predator 2 when he kills everybody.
dan friesen
No, that part's stupid.
jordan holmes
It's super stupid.
dan friesen
The part about it being someone within the government, but the idea that it is someone who is...
jordan holmes
Stealing.
Yeah.
dan friesen
It's a phishing scam.
jordan holmes
No, that's a phishing scam.
dan friesen
And Alex is right.
jordan holmes
And she got caught.
And Alex gave good advice.
dan friesen
Alex is totally right.
jordan holmes
Absolutely.
dan friesen
But at the same time, he's still trying to blame the government and weave vaccines into it, which is where the call takes just a batty turn.
jordan holmes
Who stole records from the CDC?
That's what I want to know.
dan friesen
I don't think they did.
jordan holmes
And why?
dan friesen
I don't think they did.
jordan holmes
What records would you want to steal from the CDC?
dan friesen
This caller is an unreliable narrator.
jordan holmes
I don't know.
dan friesen
I think that someone...
jordan holmes
Do you think it's Virginia Woolf?
Is that who this is?
dan friesen
Possibly.
I think it's Bertram Wooster.
I think that someone got a hold of some information from her and this idea about her children...
jordan holmes
It's Judge Schmael.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Their children's records and stuff like that was the way they Trojan-horsed her into giving information.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
It has nothing to do with the CDC being hacked.
It has nothing to do with that.
It has to do with...
jordan holmes
She got robbed because she answered the phone and answered questions for some insane reason.
dan friesen
So the rest of this call is Alex being totally right and totally wrong at the same time.
It's fascinating.
jordan holmes
That's great.
alex jones
Excuse me, so whatever this bully con artist was, government or not on the phone started telling you what you can and can't do?
Here, tell me more.
What'd they say?
unidentified
No, they also censored my email.
They shut it completely down.
How?
For 36 hours, I was not able to get on my email.
jordan holmes
Oh, no.
unidentified
I would enter my password, and it was not.
alex jones
Well, that might not be related, but there is a lot of social engineering being tested, and they admit that with real phone calls, real things in the databases.
But you probably...
You probably gave him your email.
Whoever it was broke in, stole your identity, and locked you out.
You need to call and check with the bank and everything.
You probably had your identity stolen.
Everybody submits to government.
So con artists are going to tell you your government.
And there's con artists in government, but there's also con artists that aren't in government.
So you probably had your identity stolen.
I'm going to get your name and number.
Give us your contact.
I want to see where this goes as you do more research.
But Amy, did you ever think this might not be the government calling you up?
unidentified
I didn't, just because it seemed too coincidental with my recent...
alex jones
No, no, ma 'am.
That's not how it works.
They haven't gotten to that.
jordan holmes
Oh, poor baby.
alex jones
You probably online had a data breach or with a major bank.
They have your info.
They've got to call and get more.
Have you checked your bank accounts?
Have you checked your credit card stuff?
unidentified
Yes, yes.
And there are no transactions that have been made that haven't been by me.
alex jones
All right.
Well, I appreciate your call.
If you've got more info, keep in touch.
We'll give you the email.
No harm, I can talk to you.
You see, when I was a child, there were four or five vaccines.
Now that's up to 60, they want to give you hundreds.
dan friesen
Part of that is because...
jordan holmes
There are more diseases!
And they mutate!
dan friesen
And there are more vaccines we've developed!
jordan holmes
Yeah!
Because Alex is not 43. When I was a child, there were only four or five vaccines.
So, people got other diseases?
dan friesen
Yeah, they got 43 other diseases.
unidentified
That argument is so stupid.
jordan holmes
That's a bad argument!
dan friesen
There's so many shots they want to give kids now.
jordan holmes
When I was a child, so many more people died.
dan friesen
It's using a statistic wrong.
The statistic is right.
There are more vaccines.
But the reason for it, which is really easy to surmise, is that science progresses.
Is that medical science gets more...
jordan holmes
You know what?
When Alex Jones' grandfather was a kid, there were no vaccines.
I think we all know what that means.
dan friesen
Everyone was super healthy.
jordan holmes
Everyone was super healthy.
Everyone was immune to diseases back then.
dan friesen
So now he finishes up the call with a speech, a little bit about vaccines, but also about how you can't trust anybody.
alex jones
Logical disorders are off the charts.
It's killing people, so everybody's got to decide to say no.
Now, they always say you should be arrested if you don't take vaccines because you'll make other people sick.
If they've had the vaccine, how is you not having to get them sick?
jordan holmes
That does not make any sense at all.
dan friesen
That argument is incredibly stupid.
jordan holmes
That is a dumb argument.
dan friesen
Because the people that you're going to get sick are other people who haven't taken the vaccine.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's just how that works.
That's just how logic, science, math, all the stuff.
That's just how all the stuff works.
dan friesen
There are some people who don't have access to vaccines.
jordan holmes
And, yeah, that's probably due to poor healthcare systems that are going to get worse.
dan friesen
Yeah, just because the people who do take the vaccines have nothing to fear from your potentially polio-ridden child or whatever, you know, like, that doesn't mean, hey, it's cool.
You know, like, you got the vaccine, why should I have to get it?
alex jones
Okay.
jordan holmes
Now, question.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
All right.
dan friesen
I'm listening.
I'm also scratching my eye.
jordan holmes
Do we only give the globalists vaccines?
Have we considered this possibility?
And then we give non-globalists the fake vaccines.
dan friesen
I think that Alex says that they give the globalists, like, the clean vaccines.
jordan holmes
The clean vaccines.
dan friesen
Which is also a dirty dossier right there.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
Clean vaccine.
jordan holmes
Clean vaccine?
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
That's true.
That's a great little rhyme there.
dan friesen
But I think that he would make that argument.
They give the globalists get the ones that don't have, like, the cancer viruses in them and stuff like that.
jordan holmes
Right.
This reminds me a bit too much of the Louis C.K. bit, where he's like, of course everybody...
Should be vaccinated.
Of course.
But maybe if we all just close our eyes for a few years, they all die out and we'll be just fine.
dan friesen
The issue is that a lot of the diseases are communicable.
jordan holmes
Again, that's not a good strategy.
It's a bit.
unidentified
Comedy does not make good policy.
dan friesen
But like...
I've always been really frustrated by that argument of, like, the, hey, you all are getting vaccinated, so if I don't have my kid vaccinated, who cares?
Your kid's not going to get sick.
jordan holmes
That's insane, but that's not how viruses work.
dan friesen
Right, but even beyond viruses, other sorts of things.
But, like, what you were saying, again, earlier, is super important.
It's the idea that we can get rid of these things like polio.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
We can just have them not be issues because they are so bad.
jordan holmes
We can eradicate them.
We've eradicated diseases.
It's hard to really process how amazing that is.
dan friesen
Things that could kill off entire countries.
Civilizations.
jordan holmes
Millions of people.
Millions of people.
And that has happened before.
Extinction events haven't always been a fucking meteor destroying us.
The reason that the Europeans...
found it so easy to colonize America was because prior to us getting there, there was a massive disease outbreak among the Native American populations.
So millions upon millions upon millions of Native Americans had died.
dan friesen
And the rest were often weakened.
jordan holmes
Yeah, before we got here.
If that disease hadn't occurred...
We would not be here.
They would have very easily sussed out how dumb we were.
dan friesen
These crypto-murdered us.
These Chinese Native Americans could have sussed it out.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it's so unbelievable to me.
But at the same time, it makes so much sense because human beings don't have a long memory.
dan friesen
No.
jordan holmes
We can only process what's in our lifetimes, which is, again, why...
Deregulating the stock market makes so much sense to so many people.
Because when they were raised, we were still in that economic boom from the New Deal.
We were still in that steady growth with no bursts and no bubbles and that whole thing.
So, of course, they would imagine, well, things aren't perfect now.
So what we do is we change this shit.
And they forget that the whole reason they had to do the New Deal in the first place was because of the very same shit that they just allowed.
Yeah, they're trying to reintroduce.
And they don't get that that is stupid because our attention spans are non-existent.
dan friesen
Let's finish up this clip.
I believe there's only a tiny bit left where it gets paranoid.
alex jones
The vaccine causes the shingles.
The shingles vaccine is live herpes simplex.
It's attenuated, but it still gives it to you.
jordan holmes
What?
alex jones
My dad, before he quit doing medical practice, he said almost all his old patients would get shingles.
He'd say, oh, did you take the shot?
Yeah, last week.
And he'd be like, oh, very nice.
A lot of them would just die afterwards.
You wouldn't see them no more.
But she's like, oh, they're just dead.
No big deal.
Dead babies, dead old people, dead everybody.
You know, it's no big deal.
Let's just be liberal and trust our government.
Amy, I appreciate your call.
God bless you.
dan friesen
What the fuck?
alex jones
I love you.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Shingles.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
So, the herpes vaccine...
dan friesen
The shingles vaccine is just herpes.
jordan holmes
The shingles vaccine is just herpes.
dan friesen
Yes.
jordan holmes
Does that make sense?
dan friesen
I don't know.
unidentified
This is one I did not look into.
dan friesen
I did not research this one.
jordan holmes
Is herpes shingle?
Like, is herpes available?
Is herpes doing anything later on tonight?
dan friesen
Yeah, I don't know about that, but I do know that his dad might be attributing causation to correlation.
jordan holmes
As is always the case.
dan friesen
All these old people I keep seeing die after they get a shingles vaccine.
They might be 85. Yeah.
jordan holmes
Anytime somebody tells me people act crazy during the full moon.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
I want to lose my mind.
dan friesen
It just goes back to people not being able to understand coincidence.
jordan holmes
You can't understand statistics.
Human beings can't do it.
dan friesen
And coincidences are super terrifying because they...
jordan holmes
Can happen at any time.
dan friesen
I'll tell you off air.
jordan holmes
The thing that I always fixate on is the old story of the person...
Who is about to call somebody on their old landline.
I've experienced that a couple times.
They are about to call somebody.
The very moment they're about to call somebody, they pick up the phone and it's that person on the phone.
And you think, holy shit, that's an amazing moment.
Every day, 300 million people make a phone call.
Every day they pick up the phone at a certain time.
According to the laws of statistics, that will happen to you.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
It's going to happen.
If not to you, to somebody.
But it feels weird.
Just because it feels like it's, you know, it feels like you've been chosen.
And it's just statistical inevitability.
Sure.
unidentified
Like...
dan friesen
No, I agree.
jordan holmes
We're all going to get cancer.
Sure.
dan friesen
Because of these vaccines.
jordan holmes
Because of these goddamn vaccines.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Oh well.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Anyway, we've come to the end of our clips for the March 14th episode of the Alex Jones program.
jordan holmes
Indeed.
dan friesen
Well, we can take away from this, I think, if we want to give some summation.
Alex Jones can't take a joke.
jordan holmes
He's a liar.
dan friesen
He is a liar.
jordan holmes
He really can't take a joke.
dan friesen
He's more of a coward than Michael Savage, who is one of the worst people I've ever had the pleasure of listening to on a broadcast.
jordan holmes
He projects to an insane degree.
dan friesen
Yes, absolutely.
All of these things are true.
Also, at press time, we have still not gotten a response from your tweeting at Prison Planet.
So maybe it's open season.
Let's start tweeting at him.
Let's start tweeting at him.
jordan holmes
Let's mobilize the base.
dan friesen
This has been super fun.
Jordan, this has been a delight.
jordan holmes
It is always a delight, my friend.
dan friesen
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jordan holmes
You should subscribe to us on iTunes.
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dan friesen
There was no comment left with it.
How can we get to five?
I would love to know.
Email if you're the fucking asshole.
unidentified
By the way.
jordan holmes
Don't do that.
dan friesen
If you are the person, the delightful person.
jordan holmes
This is not how I want to end this podcast.
dan friesen
If you are the delightful person who left that four-star review, send us an email at knowledgefightatgmail.com.
Let us know what we can do better.
I'd love to know.
jordan holmes
We accept constructive criticism.
Except for you, apparently.
You get very defensive.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Also, I don't think we have any more plugs.
jordan holmes
Hey, guys!
We're just a couple of race pimps.
dan friesen
Just a couple of policy wonk and race pimps.
alex jones
Andy in Kansas, you're on the air.
Thanks for holding.
unidentified
Hello, Alex.
I'm a first-time caller.
I'm a huge fan.
I love your work.
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