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March 14, 2017 - Knowledge Fight
02:16:05
#21: March 9, 2017

Jordan Holmes and Dan Friesen dissect Alex Jones’ March 9, 2017 InfoWars episode, where he falsely ties vaccines to cancer viruses (citing debunked SV40 claims), accuses Katy Perry of devil worship, and misrepresents Pope Francis as anti-Christian. Jones also weaponizes fringe theories—Cloward-Piven, UN Agenda 21—and labels Jorge Ramos a "race pimp," ignoring his actual arguments about U.S. demographics. His wall comparisons to Mexico’s border (no wall exists) and grotesque cloning claims reveal a pattern of fear-mongering over facts, reinforcing how conspiracy rhetoric thrives on distortion rather than evidence. [Automatically generated summary]

Participants
Main
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alex jones
infowars 24:55
d
dan friesen
01:00:05
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jordan holmes
43:46
Appearances
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jorge ramos
01:27
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tucker carlson
dailycaller 01:20
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Speaker Time Text
alex jones
Andy in Kansas, you're on the air.
Thanks for holding.
unidentified
Hello, Alex.
I'm my first time caller.
I'm a huge fan.
I love your work.
alex jones
I love you.
dan friesen
Hey, everybody.
Welcome back to Knowledge Fight.
I'm Dan.
jordan holmes
I'm Jordan.
dan friesen
We are a couple dudes who learned our lesson about white wine and are back to red.
We just like to sit around and drink wine and have a conversation about InfoWars.
jordan holmes
What's the twist?
dan friesen
The twist, my friend.
alex jones
Okay.
dan friesen
Is that I know a lot about Infowars and Alex Jones in particular.
jordan holmes
And I don't know a goddamn thing.
dan friesen
And therein lies the rub.
There's the fun of this show.
Guys, we are back.
Like I said, we're on the red wine.
We're drinking a nice gnarly head, because as I pointed out, that's what Alex Jones has got.
jordan holmes
Alex Jones is the actual manufacturer of this wine.
dan friesen
He's the champion of the gnarly-headed.
jordan holmes
He puts his head into smashed grapes, and then they just, using the weight of his head, he squeezes it down.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
That's why his ear itches all the time.
Too much grape.
He's trying to get little pieces of grape skin out.
So if you're joining us today, what we're going to be covering is the Thursday, March 9th episode of the Alex Jones Show.
We're going to get into the ins and outs, the ups and downs, the whirly gigs, and all that.
But first, I'd like to give a couple of shout-outs to things we will not be covering from the Thursday episode.
It ended with the fourth hour.
jordan holmes
Did he do the fourth hour?
dan friesen
Did not.
We got a special report from our old friend John Rappaport, a.k.a. Batman.
jordan holmes
Batman came back?
dan friesen
He did.
Batman was back from Creeping in the Shadows.
jordan holmes
All right.
dan friesen
I didn't include it because, first of all, we were texting about this on Thursday.
I was like, I think he's going to talk about us.
And then he didn't, and I realized I'm a narcissist.
jordan holmes
Yeah, we're getting delusions of grandeur here.
dan friesen
But only slight ones.
Because I think if John Rappaport knew about us, he might talk about us.
jordan holmes
It's crazy.
I think if anybody knew about us, they might talk about us.
dan friesen
Possibly.
Also, he still has not put up that picture.
jordan holmes
Still.
dan friesen
The picture is still on the ground in his man cave.
jordan holmes
Oh, man.
dan friesen
I was hoping that I would turn it on.
The picture would be up, and he'd be like, he definitely listens.
jordan holmes
Is the picture just a younger version?
Like, are we doing a reverse Dorian Gray here?
dan friesen
It's not.
jordan holmes
Where he gets older and the picture gets younger?
dan friesen
No, but he did get a haircut.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
And it's unfortunate because him with really short hair makes it clear how crazy Muppet googly-eyed he is.
And I have a cross-eye, so I'm one to talk.
jordan holmes
Right, right.
dan friesen
With that haircut, he looks ridiculous.
jordan holmes
Does he still have the giant long-ass beard?
dan friesen
Pretty long, yes.
jordan holmes
Pretty long.
dan friesen
Still has denture mouth.
jordan holmes
So now he looks like short-haired Gandalf.
dan friesen
Yes, yes.
Gotcha.
And his report is all about vaccines.
And so we don't need to go into that.
unidentified
Jesus.
dan friesen
But we will actually have to go into that because that is now the predominant narrative on Alex's show.
jordan holmes
Just vaccines?
dan friesen
Vaccines in general, baby.
They're terrible.
jordan holmes
They don't just cause autism.
They protect you against diseases.
And we need to have those.
Otherwise, the pharmaceutical companies won't make the money.
dan friesen
This is slightly different than his take.
jordan holmes
Oh, it is?
Well, he needs to listen to this show.
dan friesen
He needs to listen to the show for that reason.
Rappaport needs to listen, so we put up that fucking picture.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
Also, a shout-out to a band called Portugal Man.
Never heard of them.
jordan holmes
Nope.
dan friesen
Alex is furious at them because it is.
jordan holmes
Just because they're not American Man, is that what it is?
dan friesen
No, it's because in their music video, they show themselves burning a copy of an InfoWars newspaper.
jordan holmes
That's pretty great.
dan friesen
And Alex is like, you're burning us.
And oh, they got a Sikh to do it.
They got a man who looks like a Sikh.
jordan holmes
Did he?
dan friesen
I don't know.
jordan holmes
Was he wearing a hat?
dan friesen
Yeah, he was.
jordan holmes
Okay, well, that's all I needed to know.
dan friesen
So, Alex is.
jordan holmes
Whether or not it was a ball cap or anything, wear a hat equals seek.
dan friesen
Yeah, and he's like, oh, the Indians know I'm awesome.
They mob me in the streets and thank me.
jordan holmes
Oh, man.
I'm assuming if he did go to India, he would be mobbed in the streets.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
For very different reasons.
dan friesen
Absolutely.
Also, this is something that needs to be pointed out.
In the last week, Alex has been going into fucking overdrive.
Okay.
Almost every day, he's putting out like hour-long specials after the episodes.
He's putting out late night with Alex.
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
Sometimes it's him.
unidentified
What?
dan friesen
Sometimes it's him.
No, Ranting, sitting by a fireplace and stuff.
jordan holmes
Like FDR's fireside chats, if FDR were a raving fucking lunatic.
unidentified
The only thing you have to fear is goddamn everything!
jordan holmes
The globalists are everywhere.
They're on the march.
dan friesen
So before, he was doing Monday through Friday, the three hours, the first three hours of the show, and then he'd put out a special two-hour Sunday show every week.
This week, he put out a Saturday show.
jordan holmes
Whoa.
dan friesen
And I wanted to go over it in this episode, but it's not fucking worth it.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
But it goes back to what I'm telling you about the vaccine shit.
jordan holmes
So we're just all on the vaccine train.
dan friesen
It's too much.
jordan holmes
There's no other news going on currently but vaccines.
dan friesen
It's too much news to cover, but it's not news and it's nothing.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
But it's like, I listened to the Saturday episode, and he starts by like cockily showing a vaccine, just an empty needle, like, this is what gave me cancer.
We'll get into his specific theories because he does go into it in this episode, I believe, a little bit.
But he's just like, he has an insert from a vaccine, and he's like, look, right here in it, it says it will give you diabetes.
What?
And I pulled up the insert and I read it, and it's like, it just has a laundry list of side effects.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
You know, that could theoretically happen.
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Is one of them diabetes?
dan friesen
It is.
jordan holmes
Oh.
dan friesen
But then if you do some more research into it, you find that it's basically that's a catch-all kind of thing.
That there was a discredited study from like the 1960s.
jordan holmes
Oh, okay.
So it doesn't actually give you diabetes because that doesn't make a goddamn lick of sense.
dan friesen
No, especially.
jordan holmes
But there was a dumb study 40 years ago, so just to be safe, they put on there, it might give you diabetes.
dan friesen
Yes.
That's my understanding of it.
jordan holmes
Fucking fantastic.
dan friesen
And everything I can find that's like peer-reviewed stuff indicates that that's the case.
jordan holmes
Of course.
That's not even how diabetes works.
unidentified
Nope.
dan friesen
Nope.
jordan holmes
Does Alex know what diabetes is?
dan friesen
I think he has the broad strokes of it, that it has to do with sugar.
I think that's where he's at.
jordan holmes
But he is afraid of it, so he has a bunker filled with insulin just in case he gets it.
dan friesen
I'll be honest, it couldn't hurt.
There's always.
jordan holmes
It doesn't look like he eats well.
dan friesen
There's always use for insulin.
jordan holmes
What is that?
dan friesen
I don't know.
unidentified
But yes.
jordan holmes
Did you see that on an episode of Doomsday Preppers?
dan friesen
No, it was something that Rappaport said.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
So he's just going buck wild on this shit.
And, like, I get it.
You've got to be afraid of something.
And a lot of the news that he's pitching is stale.
And this, like, it's looking real bad for Flynn.
It's looking real bad for a lot of these dudes.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Roger Stone's probably in some deep trouble.
jordan holmes
And Roger Stone and Alex Jones are fucking tight.
dan friesen
They're best friends.
Yeah.
I don't know if we could pitch that narrative, but it does seem like they hang out.
jordan holmes
I did finally look up the tattoo of Nixon Roger Stone has between his shoulder blades, and wow.
dan friesen
Yeah, you thought it was a good idea.
jordan holmes
Here's the other thing.
Here's the other thing.
Do you know what his quote on it is?
I don't remember.
He has this line he uses to pick up girls.
I'm the only guy with a dick in front and a dick on back.
dan friesen
Jesus.
jordan holmes
Yeah, right?
Don't you want him to explode?
dan friesen
Classy guy.
jordan holmes
I don't want him to die.
I want just his left leg to spontaneously combust.
dan friesen
I don't even want that.
What I want is the pressure to keep rising on him so he blows himself up.
jordan holmes
You know, like, oh, man.
dan friesen
Like, not physically, but like if you, if the strain keeps on him, he's such an angry, angry, racist, horrible person.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
That, like, under extreme stress.
jordan holmes
Maybe he blows his brains out?
dan friesen
Well, no.
I mean, just recently, under all this stress, he ended up accidentally admitting that he talked to Wikileaks.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's true.
dan friesen
He tweeted that and then deleted it immediately.
jordan holmes
In the same tweet as, you fucking bitch.
dan friesen
Yeah, you dirty cunt.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
And when I say he's.
jordan holmes
Although, here's what I want to happen.
So you remember whenever Hillary and Bill had that, didn't they kill a guy that narrative?
Vince Foster, right?
unidentified
Yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
They know that that didn't happen.
But if Roger Stone kills himself, oh, how many great books are we going to read about how Trump and Putin assassinated him?
And Clinton.
Yeah, it's all there.
Yeah.
Throw them all in the pot, mix it up, and we got some great conspiracy theory books.
dan friesen
We got globalist stew.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
dan friesen
So this episode today is a little bit all over the place.
I'll be honest.
I'm not going to tell you that this is a coherent episode by any means.
Okay.
But he has a lot of things that are sort of through lines a little bit.
One of them today we're going to be talking about a bit is race.
There's a good bit of race talk.
jordan holmes
I do not like it when he talks about race.
dan friesen
And just lies.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
But that's sort of the through lines.
jordan holmes
Race and lies.
dan friesen
He starts out the show with he gives a shout out to our friend Rappaport.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
And then goes into an insane rant that I think immediately.
It's really good.
jordan holmes
All about Batman.
Not Rappaport, just Batman.
dan friesen
It's great.
And here it is.
alex jones
Rappaport's one of my favorite people to listen to, quite frankly.
That's one of the few people I'll actually listen to at like midnight if I'm still up while I'm doing work.
I put Rappaport on when he kills me why I'm volunteering that.
dan friesen
Did you hear how he ended that sentence?
unidentified
I don't know why I'm volunteering that.
dan friesen
He's like, I love Rappaport.
I don't know why I'm talking about this.
I don't know.
Anyway.
jordan holmes
He reminds me of my grandma's dentures.
alex jones
It's beautiful.
dan friesen
She was a sweet woman before she was soft-killed by the globalists.
jordan holmes
She used to come into my bedroom and read to me at night.
unidentified
Touch me.
alex jones
I am so angry right now that I'm calm.
That's what's happening.
Whoa.
You're not getting the quacking Alex.
You're getting the very, very angry Alex right now, so I'm trying to control myself.
dan friesen
When he said that, I could not have been more excited.
The idea of Alex getting so mad he's calm is fascinating to me.
jordan holmes
I'm just excited to know that he thinks his different emotions are a different Alex entirely.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
Oh, I'm angry, Alex today.
dan friesen
I'm not quacking Alex.
jordan holmes
Whatever that means.
I'm not broke ass Alex or hobo Jones.
dan friesen
That's not me today.
Whenever I'm just slightly mad, I turn into a duck.
unidentified
Okay.
dan friesen
All right, quacky Alex.
Here we go.
alex jones
You know why I'm pissed off?
jordan holmes
Yes.
alex jones
Because it's so ridiculously obvious that Pope Francis is a horrible, demonic, anti-Christian slug.
jordan holmes
Did not see that coming.
I did not know why he's angry.
alex jones
Ramos Ramos, one of the biggest TV hosts in the world, is an absolute elitist trying to ensure that Latin Americans never get a middle class.
I mean, they're so uncool.
And we have the WikiLeaks.
We know the social engineering.
dan friesen
I think we should eventually work up a supercut of people being uncool.
jordan holmes
So uncool.
dan friesen
You can't sit with me at lunch because you are a demonic slug.
alex jones
I've studied all these people.
I know I'm right.
I know Donald Trump actually wants a giant middle class and wants to advance people off of what they stand for, not what color they are.
Just like Martin Luther King said, I know the ideology I'm promoting is an entire universe different and better than the globalist.
I know the globalist.
jordan holmes
I feel like I'm not going to say that.
That is not a Martin Luther King Jr. quote.
unidentified
I have a dream that one day the globalists will be brought low.
dan friesen
Yeah, I don't know.
jordan holmes
I don't believe that MOK ever said that.
dan friesen
You don't think he had an anti-globalist stance?
jordan holmes
I know it's not on the wiki quotes.
dan friesen
You don't think WikiLeaks has documentation on Martin Luther King Jr.?
unidentified
Maybe.
dan friesen
You don't think you have documentation on him being against these technocrats?
jordan holmes
It's been in the white papers.
dan friesen
Absolutely.
alex jones
Phasing out humanity.
I've read four books by Bertrand Russell.
I've read five books by Zbign Brzezinski.
jordan holmes
Five.
alex jones
I've read both books Adolf Hitler wrote.
What a scumbag.
I have read it all.
Okay, I've basically read it all.
I've read.
dan friesen
He has to say that.
jordan holmes
Hitler.
What a scumbag.
dan friesen
What a stinker.
jordan holmes
You know what?
I think he might even be uncool.
dan friesen
Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
Super uncool.
alex jones
The social engineering books of Eber Bernays.
I've read the social engineering books of H.G. Wells.
I don't say it like I'm bragging, but I realize that when I talk to pseudo-intellectuals, they might have read one of these they did their thesis on in college, and they walk around acting like they're all intellectual and lisping and acting wimpy like that's intellectual.
They don't know anything.
dan friesen
I want to caution you here.
He's about to lose it.
Okay.
So just fucking take a sip of wine and enjoy some good old-fashioned screaming.
jordan holmes
Excellent.
alex jones
They know how to screw people over.
They know how to put out dumbed-down ideology that dumbed down populations go along with.
But it's like giving some man who's dying of thirst in the desert an empty glass and saying, here, here, drink that.
I just have hospitality.
I'm not even saying I'm a perfect person, but I like life.
I like hospitality.
I like seeing people do good.
And they see me as a chump, you see, because I'm not a sociopath.
I'm not a psychopath.
I am a primitive, snarling caveman.
But thank God I'm not one of these modern scumbags ready to screw everybody over.
I get fundamentally angry when I read WikiLeaks, thousands of pages of it, how they want to make you poor, how they want to hurt you.
I mean, I just did like you, me and Buckley one night, Ruprid Late, reading like hundreds of pages, and he said, my God.
He said, how could anyone be this nasty?
He's like, look, they're all nasty.
Oh, we screwed these people over.
Oh, we're going to rip these people off.
It's like, I want to get these people.
I'll tell you point blank, man.
I want to get in a ring with them and go, here's a battle axe.
I've got one.
You want to screw people over?
Try it with me.
And it's not that I'm claiming I'm the toughest guy around, but I've got a will and an instinct to absolutely stomp their heads in.
I am sick of scum.
I am sick of backstabbing filth.
I am tired of these people.
I want to see the spirit of humanity rise up and defeat them.
They make a big joke out of the fact that I get pissed off.
The persecution of our species.
If you don't have empathy and you don't metaphysically feel it, it's not just empathy.
It's not just you see something happening.
You're upset.
You can feel it.
dan friesen
I love how that ends.
Praise be to God.
I love how that segment ends with him screaming about empathy.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
When everything that we've documented over the course of this show has been a glaring lack of empathy.
jordan holmes
I'm such a big fan of him revealing weird shit like, sure, I'm a caveman who has no higher intelligence, but at least I'm not a modern scumbag with your cars and your women.
dan friesen
He's like Caveman Lawyer.
unidentified
Yeah.
But to be fair, ladies and gentlemen of the jury.
dan friesen
I'm no big city globalist.
jordan holmes
I'm a caveman.
dan friesen
But to be fair, I think when he says that I'm a caveman, it's.
jordan holmes
Do you think they're calling him a caveman?
dan friesen
I think it's buzz marketing for his bone pills.
I think that's what it is.
I think that the bone pills have not sold all that well.
jordan holmes
Maybe because they're bone pills.
dan friesen
And he's had to now introduce that new anti-yeast, anti-mold product that in the middle of the week.
jordan holmes
Like a douche?
dan friesen
I don't know.
I think it's another pill.
jordan holmes
Oh, okay.
dan friesen
But like, I wish it was a douche.
jordan holmes
That would be a fun one.
dan friesen
Info Wars douche.
unidentified
So in the middle of InfoWars, no vaginas or pencil next here.
dan friesen
In the middle of the week, he's got all these plates spinning in terms of all this Russian stuff is bullshit.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
WikiLeaks new Vault 7 dump has proved us right.
jordan holmes
On everything, even though they didn't.
No documents that I've seen have anything to do with WikiLeaks revealing that they want to break you.
dan friesen
Or the idea that these things have been used on civilians or anything like that.
It's a leap that you can make.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
But there's no proof of it.
jordan holmes
Once again, probably, not proven.
dan friesen
Yes.
But then in the middle of the week, amidst all this stuff where he's like, I'm right, I've been shown to be right.
And now you got to listen to everything else I say because I'm right all the time.
He spends an hour of his show pitching this new anti-yeast, anti-mold product.
He has his weird doctor, Dr. Group, come in.
jordan holmes
Dr. Group.
That sounds fake.
dan friesen
He comes in.
jordan holmes
That sounds so fake.
dan friesen
He also looks like a surfboard doctor, is what I would describe him as.
jordan holmes
Dr. Man.
dan friesen
Dr. Bro.
So he comes in and pitches this new product for an entire hour of the fucking show.
It's like, you're hurting.
jordan holmes
How do you pitch a product for an hour?
dan friesen
Well, they just repeat a bunch of stuff about how the globalists are putting fungus in the air and shit like that.
jordan holmes
God, I just want them to go full info martial one time, just be like, hey, is this you?
Oh, no, I'm covered in mold.
You're going to need our new pill.
dan friesen
They basically do.
jordan holmes
Yeah, okay.
dan friesen
I mean, it's not far off.
He's gone full, like, shill for a product.
Right, basically.
He's broke.
jordan holmes
We were.
dan friesen
But he always has been this way, too.
He's always been a huckster.
He's always been like the snake oil salesman guy.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
And it's never been subtle.
Like, even when he just had super male vitality and shit, he'd have ads where he'd have a fake collar on the line.
unidentified
No.
dan friesen
Yeah, talking about how great the product is.
jordan holmes
That's fantastic.
dan friesen
And like, the one that I remember.
jordan holmes
It's just transparent nonsense.
dan friesen
The one that I remember seeing is he was talking to some lady on the phone who was taking super female vitality.
And he was like, yeah, your husband probably getting tired of you being all over him, huh?
I have been Randy.
jordan holmes
I don't understand that at all.
dan friesen
What?
jordan holmes
Just that.
dan friesen
Super female vitality.
jordan holmes
No, just allowing Alex Jones to talk to you like that.
dan friesen
Well, I assume it's a fake call from one of those services.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Or a friend of his doing a fake call or something like that.
It has to be.
It's absurd.
Or maybe an employee calling from the other room.
jordan holmes
Oh, that poor employee.
dan friesen
So one of the other narratives that he's pitching pretty hard on this episode is Paul Ryan.
His health care plan sucks.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Which we agree.
But his issue is that Rand Paul has a better plan, which is to just get rid of health care entirely.
More or less.
jordan holmes
Just burn down hospitals.
It's a lot like when the Nazis burned all the books, they're like, ah, we can't have this knowledge getting out.
Rand Paul wants to make sure that we can't have people surviving this stuff.
dan friesen
His plan is we have the votes to repeal now, so let's do that.
And then let's figure the rest of it out after.
alex jones
Yes.
jordan holmes
Which is kind of brilliant.
No.
dan friesen
It's a little bad.
jordan holmes
Brilliant point.
Because you already see how united they are and how quickly they will get a replacement health care bill once they repeal it, right?
They'll all agree on something.
They'll replace it.
It'll take only about a month or so, not all of the years.
All of the years they could have been developing a healthcare plan to compete with Obamacare.
They did jack shit.
unidentified
Nope.
jordan holmes
And then Paul Ryan's idea was, eh, fuck it.
dan friesen
And I'm going to chase down this bill with a photocopier.
alex jones
Yeah.
dan friesen
Anyway, here's some thoughts about Paul Ryan.
jordan holmes
Has anybody done like SNL has probably done like a Rand Paul Ryan sketch, right?
Where it's like two-face and they split them in half and they just argue with each other.
dan friesen
I think that's in mad TV territory.
That is over that.
jordan holmes
You're right.
alex jones
And then you, let's get to Paul Ryan first.
We have a video.
Paul Ryan did a multi-hour presentation where he went out with a TV and some graphics and lied to the American people.
I watched a part of it.
I've got a print out of what he said.
This is the best deal.
This is a lot better than Obamacare.
No, Rand Paul has pointed out that this is a horrible deal.
You're trying to deceive the president into getting behind it.
And I'm glad to say, Paul Ryan, we have the votes to repeal the whole stinky thing.
Then we can do something else we want.
We're not going to have the original Republican screen drop version.
Are there some good parts?
Is it better than Obamacare?
Yes.
But it's not what Congress got sent there to do.
And it's worse than what a repeal is.
So you're not going to get it, Eddie Munster.
You're not going to get it, you sociopath con man.
You're not better than us.
unidentified
We see through you, you piece of filth, and you will fall.
jordan holmes
That's some good shit right there.
dan friesen
We can see.
jordan holmes
If we could harness just this righteous anger for one second, like we use him and then we kick him back again.
But that is exactly what I want Chuck Schumer to go on TV and say.
dan friesen
I don't know.
Word for word.
I feel like the blowback from yelling like that is pretty damaging.
It ruins your credibility.
jordan holmes
Well, Chuck Schumer's a pile of shit, too.
So I just wanted to say that he needs to fucking sacrifice himself so that all of us can live.
dan friesen
I don't wholly disagree with that.
But you can see what made Alex the most mad at what he was screaming about there is you think you're better than us.
This keeps coming back to this theme that Alex has this projection that he's putting on people that like, you know, you're out there, you fake intellectuals lisping and you've read one of these books.
I've read them all.
You think you're better than me?
Paul Ryan coming out with your health care plan, you think you're better than us?
jordan holmes
He has a massive inferiority complex as he well should.
alex jones
People rightfully.
jordan holmes
Because he's inferior.
dan friesen
People have rightfully been mocking him and ignoring him for 20 years on the air.
unidentified
That's true.
dan friesen
So I would be pissed about that too.
But what he doesn't realize is that people who actually listen and engage with what he's talking about, they're the ones who mock him the most.
unidentified
As evidence of us, you and me.
dan friesen
I have studied him extensively, and I think he's a lunatic.
jordan holmes
He is absolutely a lunatic.
I do like how he very nearly, like a couple of times, he was really close to saying, this isn't better than Obamacare.
And he just can't do it.
But I just can't bring himself to say they thought up a plan that is even worse than the garbage plan we hate so much.
dan friesen
Well, I think that if he did slip and say it, it wouldn't be like outside of his philosophy.
Because if he said it's worse than Obamacare, you could easily cover that and be like, I expect more out of this.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Whereas Obamacare, we knew it was going to be us getting fucked.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
Whereas this, this should be great.
This is worse.
jordan holmes
It is worse.
dan friesen
It's like being told you get an ice cream and you get a boot in your ass.
Whereas if someone just...
jordan holmes
You've gone too far.
I've gone too far.
I don't think he's ever said that.
I think you just made that up right there.
dan friesen
I was trying to come up with an Alex Jones-ian metaphor.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
And you fucking nailed it, which is the concerning part here.
dan friesen
So the rest of this clip is where Alex does one of his big things, which is claim that someone who he disagrees with is an enemy of the people.
alex jones
God, I'm so sick of these con men.
I'm so tired of them.
I pray for the day he gets thrown out of Congress.
He's a bigger enemy than Hillary Clinton.
He is the enemy of the American people.
jordan holmes
Paul Ryan?
dan friesen
Yeah.
Eddie Morgan.
jordan holmes
He's right.
alex jones
I know.
jordan holmes
Paul Ryan is absolutely an enemy of the American people.
dan friesen
He is an enemy of the people.
Hold on.
I don't want you to say that because I don't like that phrasing.
I really think that labeling people the enemy of the people and stuff like that is a really dangerous thing to do.
It's very much what authoritarian dictators do.
jordan holmes
Now, but also, if you're doing something that is going to lead to the deaths of thousands upon thousands upon thousands of people, I do feel like you are an enemy of those people.
I think you are.
Look, I think.
Genghis Khan was never on the people's side.
dan friesen
Some people.
jordan holmes
He was on some people's side.
dan friesen
His family's side.
jordan holmes
Yeah, exactly.
dan friesen
But I think that there's ways that you can express that without using that verbiage.
I know it's a fine point to make, but I think that in the same way that when Trump says that the fake media is an enemy of the people, you can get into this place where it's really extreme othering.
alex jones
Yeah.
dan friesen
And I don't like that.
jordan holmes
I'm going to go.
No, I'm going to stick to my guns here.
Fake media is not the enemy of the people because fake media is not murdering thousands upon thousands of people.
dan friesen
Fair.
jordan holmes
And what Paul Ryan is doing, make no mistake, is murder.
All right.
It's legitimate.
I do believe that it is 100% murder.
dan friesen
We can agree.
jordan holmes
Because he is sentencing thousands upon thousands of people to death.
dan friesen
For tax cuts.
We can agree on the substance of it and agree to disagree on the language aspect of it.
alex jones
Yes.
dan friesen
But I think the more important thing that I want to bring up is that Alex Jones always talks about how people call other people racist in a manipulative trick to gain power over them.
jordan holmes
And then he calls people the enemy of the American people in order to gain power over them.
unidentified
Yes.
dan friesen
So I just want to take a moment to point out that hypocrisy, which I think is probably more important than my little squibble about I don't like that use of same sentiment, the words you don't like.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Enemyizing people is really bad.
And that's something that Alex does a lot.
Another thing that he does a lot is illustrated in this next clip where he pretends that his own blog is the news.
alex jones
Let's get to the internet censorship and the internet kill switch that's basically going into place, but it's also happening in the real world.
Internet kill switch activated to slow motion.
Special report up on Infowars.com.
jordan holmes
The real world kill switch?
dan friesen
Sure, yeah, absolutely.
jordan holmes
It just ends the real world?
dan friesen
Yeah, the show.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
It's been on too long.
alex jones
Yeah.
dan friesen
But you see that.
He's like, it's in the news.
It's up on Infowars.com.
You're not the news.
You don't source anything.
There have been repeated instances of people sending you prank messages that you end up reporting as the news.
jordan holmes
Which is fantastic.
That you can just DM InfoWars and lie to them, and they'll be like, oh, put it up.
Put it up now.
dan friesen
Paul Joseph Watson's DMs were open.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
He fell for multiple scam things.
It ruins all of your credibility.
So when you're reporting something and no one else is, there's a reason.
It's because you don't have journalistic ethics.
You don't have an editorial process.
So you just put up wacky bullshit.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Well, I mean, it is something that's repeatedly sourced from his sources.
dan friesen
Or from himself.
jordan holmes
Who have never revealed themselves.
dan friesen
Ever.
jordan holmes
Other than Roger Stone.
dan friesen
And I guess Dr. Steve Pieczenik doesn't believe in Sandy Hook.
jordan holmes
Yep.
And Jesse James.
dan friesen
Who is a Nazi?
jordan holmes
Who is a Nazi?
dan friesen
Who may or may not be a Nazi?
Let's walk that back at the same time.
jordan holmes
If we eightball it, all signs point to yes.
I believe that.
dan friesen
It's the coat.
Anyway, this next clip, let's see, what do we got going on here?
Just some nice fear tactics about liberalism.
And we managed to get Islamophobia, misogyny, and transphobia all in one clip that lasts maybe 45 seconds.
jordan holmes
He successfully pulled off the Triple Deke?
dan friesen
Yeah, he did.
It's impressive in a very hatable way.
alex jones
Woman gender studies degrees up 300%.
And you learn when you take these classes how to hate men, how to hate yourself, and how to roll over to Islam, though.
Because a guy opening a door for you is bad, but if a guy's going to cut your genitals off, that's Islam.
That's okay.
BBC presenter given warning after saying transgender people can never be real women.
Yeah, they don't have wombs.
They're not real women.
You want to identify as that?
You feel like that?
Hey, knock yourself out.
Doesn't hurt me.
I don't hate you.
But don't then try to go teach kids and recruit.
dan friesen
So that's stupid.
jordan holmes
That's not how anything works.
dan friesen
That's incredibly stupid.
I don't think anybody is recruiting people as much as they are nurturing feelings that already exist in some people or making it okay for people who are already trans at a very young age not feel like they're a fucking weirdo.
alex jones
Yeah.
dan friesen
Also, hey, let's take a step back.
A womb does not make you a woman.
jordan holmes
Well, I think, as we all know, women who have gone through the change of life are no longer women.
I think that's just a fact.
Everybody knows that.
If you're barren, you're no longer a woman.
alex jones
Absolutely not.
jordan holmes
That's just how you teach kids.
No, absolutely.
You shouldn't teach them how to get rid of their wombs by aging.
dan friesen
Or having cancer or something like that and having organs taken out.
You know, like these things happen.
And it's absurd to say that that is the root of what being a woman is.
It's insane.
It's more productive.
jordan holmes
It's more turning women into baby factories as opposed to people.
That's true.
That's what he's ultimately kind of.
It is not that women have any agency at all on their own.
dan friesen
No.
jordan holmes
They are just baby factories.
They're there to push out kids and be quiet.
dan friesen
Yes.
And I don't think any, I mean, we're getting things lost in the shuffle, but I also don't think that women's studies classes teach you that to hate men, to hate yourself.
And roll over to Islam.
jordan holmes
To roll over to Islam.
That'd be a very sharp pivot for your gender studies class.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
All right, guys.
We just read the collected works of Gloria Steinem.
Now we're going to stop dropping roll anytime an Islamic man walks into the room.
dan friesen
If you want to.
jordan holmes
That's what he's talking about, right?
dan friesen
Well, like 101 is that just feminist theory and maybe you look at some George O'Keefe paintings.
jordan holmes
Okay, your understanding of gender studies is now very suspect as well.
dan friesen
That's 101.
Just look at that.
That's 101.
Just look at George O'Peak paintings.
Second level.
jordan holmes
All right.
dan friesen
Second level is just be cool with Muslims cutting off your clitoris.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
That's what it is.
That's what the studies are.
jordan holmes
Oh, man.
That's a solid program.
dan friesen
See, you mock me, but I was presenting it as a dumb idea.
Much like Alex, you've got to take what I'm saying in context.
jordan holmes
Okay, I'm sorry.
I'm sorry.
dan friesen
Yeah, it absolutely is not any of that, and Alex is really fucking dumb.
jordan holmes
Our next show, we wind up pulling clips from our own show and making fun of ourselves.
dan friesen
Yeah, that'd be an insane bottle episode.
The thing, though, I think is important is that he's never really been to college.
jordan holmes
He's never been to college?
dan friesen
He went to junior college for a little bit and dropped out.
So, I mean, he's never really experienced what real colleges are like.
He's never, I mean, his kids aren't old enough to be in college at this point.
I don't think he has any real-world experience with what campuses are.
He just reads fear propaganda about liberalism taking over colleges.
He clearly doesn't read articles that he talks about, so he just sees campus activism and he thinks that it's terrorism.
It's completely insane.
He's living in a bubble.
jordan holmes
You actually do make a really good point there: in that even though he lives in Austin near multiple college campuses, the only way he gets that information is through that hometown, like, oh, we sent our kids to college and they came back gay.
You know, that kind of propaganda that you see in shitty small towns.
dan friesen
Breitbart articles and drudge to that's his glimpse into the world, and it's tragically flawed.
Yeah.
The window he's looking out is covered in dirt, and he doesn't realize he's not getting a view of the landscape.
jordan holmes
That's very poetic.
dan friesen
Thank you very much.
jordan holmes
That's a perfect metaphor.
dan friesen
This is what happens when we have red wine instead of white.
jordan holmes
White wine sucks.
Much more focused, much more poetic.
That's what we've discovered about our different alcohols.
dan friesen
Speaking about focus, Alex Jones has laser focus on some targets in this episode.
One of them, he wants to take down fucking Bill Gates because he's a eugenicist and evil and wants to kill all the third world populations with vaccines.
jordan holmes
That's a super villain plan from a movie.
dan friesen
Yeah, absolutely.
And Alex believes it's real.
unidentified
Okay.
dan friesen
It's insane.
jordan holmes
What a fascinating world to live in.
Everything is a movie plot.
dan friesen
Well, back when I used to sort of be a little bit more credulous, if I'm using that in the right way, of conspiracy theories.
I would read conspiracy theories and sort of, I didn't believe them, but I would sort of entertain them more.
One of my big reasons for it is like what I'm doing is essentially making the world more interesting.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Because if I don't really believe this, but I entertain the premise as a possibility, then it's not that I'm just going to work every day and living my life.
jordan holmes
It's that there's a hidden enemy behind every door.
dan friesen
Absolutely.
And there is like a superhero movie narrative going on behind the scenes.
jordan holmes
It's like when you were seven and you were like, you know what? I'm actually a secret ninja and I'm just waiting for the opportunity to show my skills.
dan friesen
That was Alex for the last 18 years.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Yeah, basically.
jordan holmes
And I like the movie Surf Ninjas.
Alex really loved the movie Surf Ninjas.
dan friesen
It's not a bad movie.
jordan holmes
It's not a bad movie.
It's not a good movie.
It's one of Leslie Nielsen's last movies.
It may have been his actual last movie.
dan friesen
Rest in peace.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Guy who was great for a bit.
And then his act got sort of stale.
But look, we're not here to shit on Leslie Nielsen.
I do want to say that coming out the other end of that sort of dabbling in conspiracies, I'm much more comfortable now than I was then.
jordan holmes
It's interesting to me how that is the ostensible idea behind it: you're making the world more interesting.
To me, that is saying that fake order is more interesting than real chaos.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
Because the world is immensely interesting if you just see how none of it makes any goddamn sense and everybody's just randomly flying through everything.
Instead of being a safe atom, you are a radioactive isotope exploding all over the place.
dan friesen
No, that is, you hit the nail on the head there.
It is a false sense of order is more comfortable than accepting that there are tons of chaotic entities in the world that all have their own interests and they're rubbing into each other over and over again.
alex jones
Yeah.
dan friesen
And sometimes alliances are made.
Sometimes conflicts break out.
But at the end of the day, it's not some crazy crypto group that is pulling all these strings.
jordan holmes
It's somehow more comforting to think that there's an alien civilization that can shoot an asteroid at you than think at any point in time for no reason, with nobody at fault, the world just might explode because that's how asteroids work.
Like they're a bunch of near-Earth objects.
Maybe one of them just lands on Earth sometime.
It's chaos to think, you know, there's no rhyme or reason for it.
That's just the universe we live in instead of there's always somebody after us.
dan friesen
Well, rejecting chaos and randomness gives you a sense of power in some ways.
unidentified
Okay.
dan friesen
Because at least everything that happens isn't just the will of complete coincidence and randomness.
jordan holmes
That's why you create God.
dan friesen
Yeah, it gives you some sense of power over your own destiny.
But then on top of that, the particular version that Alex sells, like with the globalists and with all this worldwide con job that's going on, it's a sense of having some power, but it's contained within complete powerlessness.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
So it's very paradoxical.
jordan holmes
You are always the victim of everybody else, yet at least you're aware that everybody else is after you.
dan friesen
Yeah, and because you're aware, you get to yell at everyone else who's stupid because they're a victim.
Yeah.
But anyway, Bill Gates is trying to kill.
jordan holmes
It's victim blaming on a large scale.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
On an infinitely large scale.
dan friesen
It's incredibly sad.
But Bill Gates trying to kill us.
jordan holmes
Bill Gates trying to kill us.
With vaccines.
unidentified
Yeah.
alex jones
And they can now look at humanity is already overpowering the AI.
We're already overpowering their best mind control, their chemicals, their biologicals, their radiologicals, super weaponized stuff.
Large segments of the public are basically resistant or becoming immune to it.
And the globalists now see the rise of the next level resistance, and they're already evacuating many of them.
Because again, the ones in charge are so cowardly, so wicked, so evil that they now understand there's a good chance they're going to lose.
So they're already moving to phase two, armored redoubts, emergency escape ships, underground bunkers, I mean, big facilities, understanding that they may have to have a stage nuclear war bioweapon release.
It's going to be bio, like Bill Gates said, to wipe us out.
The problem is, if you don't get all of us, we're going to get you because then the gloves are off.
It's not like you're going to release this stuff and act like terrorists did it, Bill.
jordan holmes
Yeah, you are.
That's how I would do it.
alex jones
Bill Gates' wife last year gave a speech in Germany.
She said, if you don't stop talking about this, those of you conspiracy theorists saying we're trying to risk population, a lot of people are going to die.
Then the word went out.
Well, didn't you get that threat?
I'm like, oh, I got the threat.
You just think we don't know how dangerous it is to go up against you.
You go, oh, my God, you threatened us.
Oh, my gosh, I'm going to run away scared now.
They think we're stupid.
They keep going.
Sell out to us, back off, or we'll get you.
And it's like, sell out to killing everybody?
Sell out to jumping in bed with a bunch of demons?
Hell no.
dan friesen
So, yeah.
That's fun.
What do you got there?
What note did you take?
jordan holmes
I like how you said we're already overcoming AI as if, as if AI is not improving.
Like, like he thinks AI has already reached the top and we're finally, or, or I saw that movie.
dan friesen
I saw that movie, AI.
It was shit.
We overcame that movie.
jordan holmes
I saw Bicentennial Man.
dan friesen
Haley Joel Osman's a coward and a globalist.
jordan holmes
Or resistant to it whenever he's talking about diseases and shit.
Does he think that's how diseases disappeared, not vaccines?
Probably.
Like, we're all just immune to smallpox now.
dan friesen
Yeah, he just took enough weird nootropics that he sells.
jordan holmes
Right, right.
dan friesen
So you're fine with smallpox.
jordan holmes
As we all know, smallpox begins in the bones if you just ate more bone pills.
dan friesen
100%.
jordan holmes
100%.
dan friesen
So anyway, at the end there, too, he's talking about Melinda Gates giving a speech.
jordan holmes
If you don't stop talking, all of you will die.
dan friesen
A lot of people will die.
jordan holmes
That's an interesting threat.
dan friesen
I looked up that speech.
jordan holmes
I bet she said that word for word.
dan friesen
Totally.
Alex is really good at quoting people.
Nope.
Did not say that.
What she said was essentially that all of these people who are spreading these conspiracies and all this negative talk about vaccines, the end effect of it is people dying.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
Because if enough people get on this anti-vaccine train and outlaw vaccines or something along those lines, populations will die.
We will introduce ancient diseases back to our modern day.
jordan holmes
You guys remember how all your friends didn't die of smallpox or the plague?
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Yeah, now they will.
dan friesen
So that's what she's saying.
jordan holmes
It's not a threat.
dan friesen
It's saying that there is real consequences to it's a warning.
Yeah.
jordan holmes
And it's also kind of a threat.
dan friesen
Well, not really.
jordan holmes
Not from her.
She's pointing out this is a threat.
You're threatening human beings.
It's more like she's telling you you're the threat as opposed to she is to you.
Yes.
dan friesen
So it's wild.
jordan holmes
Also, why would that threat make any sense?
dan friesen
What do you mean?
jordan holmes
If you don't stop talking, all of you will, or a lot of you will die.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Why is that?
How does that make sense as a threat to him?
dan friesen
Shut your mouth, conspiracy theorist.
jordan holmes
I'm going to give you a smallpox.
Yeah.
Is she saying that they're going to give you vaccines?
dan friesen
I guess.
jordan holmes
But isn't that the whole thing that he's saying they're going to do anyways?
I don't know.
So if you conspiracy theorists don't stop talking about the vaccines we're going to give you.
dan friesen
We're going to blow dark.
unidentified
We're going to give you vaccines.
dan friesen
It's just Melinda Gates out in a tree outside Alex Jones' house with a blow gun.
Yeah, that's what do you mean?
jordan holmes
She does her own wet work.
That's what we know about Melinda Gates.
There's one thing we know about Melinda Gates.
She gets her hands dirty.
dan friesen
Speaking of wet work, super female vitality.
So, like, what the fuck?
It's like the premise that Bill Gates wants to kill people off with vaccines is flawed.
jordan holmes
It's just flawed.
The premise.
It has some good points to it.
unidentified
Well, no.
jordan holmes
A few flaws, though.
dan friesen
It's one of those things.
We'll cover it more in depth in another episode.
I just don't think we have the bandwidth to do it today in terms of that.
Because I do think that the critique of him is built on not the craziest foundation.
It's wrong.
jordan holmes
Oh, we're going to get into that then.
dan friesen
No, no.
jordan holmes
Not now.
No, but someday.
dan friesen
It's not as wrong as a lot of his other theories.
You know, whenever.
jordan holmes
Well, since we are paid by Soros, he did tell us to go after other billionaires.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
That's just how that worked.
He gave us our marching orders.
dan friesen
It's in the contract, which you can find on KnowledgeFight.com, which isn't a real website.
jordan holmes
We will syndicate this show at no cost to you.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Again, you can find Alex Jones' affiliate contract on his website.
It's not a good deal.
But what I'm getting at is in terms of the theories that he has, there are ones that I'm like, I don't know how you came up with that.
And then there's ones where I'm like, I can see what you're misinterpreting.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
And I'm saying that this Bill Gates one is that camp.
Gotcha.
I can see why you are misunderstanding this, not like whole cloth.
alex jones
Yeah.
dan friesen
But the thing about Melinda Gates is whole cloth, just making it up.
jordan holmes
Yeah, he very clearly makes it.
dan friesen
And he totally has to know he's lying about that.
He has to know that he's misrepresenting it.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
I think.
This comes back to another, like, one of our arguments.
jordan holmes
Sometimes we disagree on whether or not he's intentionally lying or just stupid.
dan friesen
I think my feeling on it is a lot of the time.
jordan holmes
Or just paranoid, because that quote from her, if you are a complete and utter paranoid lunatic, you could interpret that as a threat.
I could definitely see that.
Because here's the thing that he is always thinking.
They are talking about me.
unidentified
And they always exist.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
Exactly.
They are always talking to me.
Melinda Gates' speech is not to anti-vexers.
It's to Alex Jones.
So when she says anything that involves a subject and then a clause that involves the consequences, the consequences are always drawn to him.
dan friesen
Directly to Alex Jones.
Yeah, Alexander Emmerich Jones.
Directly to that man.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
So I can see him not lying purposefully on this one.
dan friesen
It's possible.
You make a decent point.
Oh, well, who cares?
jordan holmes
Thank you.
dan friesen
Anyway.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much, ladies and gentlemen.
dan friesen
Lest you think that Alex Jones is really only interested in talking about, you know, philanthropist women.
No, that's not the case.
He also wants to talk about pop culture celebrity women.
jordan holmes
Oh, great.
That's always a good section of this dumb show.
dan friesen
Here's the part of the show where Alex Jones talks a little bit, maybe a little bit out of school, maybe a little bit inaccurate.
I don't know.
Okay.
jordan holmes
Is it about Sandra Bullock being a Nazi?
dan friesen
It is not.
It is about our old friend, Katy Perry.
alex jones
And look at this.
Nuns go to war with Katy Perry over witchcraft.
jordan holmes
I just got a great image in my head.
I just saw an ancient battlefield with nuns carrying shields and swords and Katy Perry dressed as a Valkyrie from one of her dumb videos just standing there.
Oh, man, I want to see that movie.
dan friesen
It'd be a great movie.
jordan holmes
It would be a great movie.
dan friesen
Better than AI.
jordan holmes
Katy Perry versus nuns.
dan friesen
But you know what that story is about?
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
She wanted to buy an old nunnery.
She wanted to buy this nunnery in L.A., and they said because of some of her dubious religious past, they don't want to sell it to her.
unidentified
Okay.
dan friesen
And so there's a conflict going on about that.
jordan holmes
Oh.
So it's just like a property dispute?
dan friesen
Basically.
jordan holmes
Are the nuns still living in the nunnery?
alex jones
I don't know.
jordan holmes
Or is it just an empty building?
alex jones
I don't know all the details on this one.
jordan holmes
Do the nuns need to have one final dance-off in order to pay off the mortgage on the news.
So Katy Perry can't take it.
dan friesen
You're talking a Golan Globus movie.
jordan holmes
I am absolutely talking about that.
dan friesen
No.
It's not that.
jordan holmes
No talent shows.
alex jones
No nothing.
dan friesen
I don't know if they still live there or if it's abandoned, but it is still owned by the Archdiocese.
Gotcha.
So she would be buying it from them, and there's a conflict about it because in the past, she had an interview years ago where she said that she wanted to be a Christian artist initially when she was younger, but that it wasn't marketable and she couldn't be successful in that.
And so she said she went to pop music, and she phrased it as selling her soul to the devil.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Which is sort of a creative flourish.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
But people have taken that.
jordan holmes
That seems like she just said that she wanted to spread her Christian nonsense.
But then as a good business decision, she didn't.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
So that's why they're not selling her a nunnery.
dan friesen
Well, people take that very literally and think that she actually sold her soul to the devil.
jordan holmes
She's not a 1930s blues musician.
dan friesen
She's not.
jordan holmes
She's very much not that.
One, she's not even black.
dan friesen
No.
jordan holmes
Two, she's not from the South.
dan friesen
No.
jordan holmes
Three, no one has lost their head in any of her songs.
dan friesen
I do really like it.
jordan holmes
Zero Trains, nothing.
Nobody's had their head cut off by a train.
dan friesen
Outside of like California girls, I like most of her songs.
But anyway.
jordan holmes
All right.
dan friesen
I think a more accurate song.
jordan holmes
I can see why you want her to buy this nunnery.
dan friesen
I don't really give a shit.
But a more accurate sort of version of it would be like a pink lyric from Don't Let Me Get Me.
jordan holmes
I love discovering your weird pop.
Just your very, very detailed knowledge of pop stars.
dan friesen
Well, she has a lyric in that song where she's talking about meeting L.A. Reed, the big record producer.
And L.A. told me, you'll be a pop star.
All you have to do is change everything you are.
That's sort of a more.
jordan holmes
That really touched you deeply, didn't it?
dan friesen
No, I just remember the song.
jordan holmes
It absolutely.
dan friesen
Fuck you.
But I think it's a more accurate version and a more like, yeah, yeah.
But then everyone's like, Katy Perry sold her soul to the devil.
And I think it's a compelling narrative mostly because she used to be a Christian artist.
And her real name is Kate Hudson.
And she can't go by that.
jordan holmes
No, she can't go by that.
unidentified
But anyway.
jordan holmes
Never going to win any Grammys.
dan friesen
Alex has more thoughts about her and doesn't spell out the specific narrative.
jordan holmes
Lady Gaga was a Christian musician, too, before she decided to dress up.
dan friesen
I do not know about that, but I do know her name is Stephanie.
alex jones
Yeah.
dan friesen
But he has more thoughts about this, and then he's going to get into some witchcraft stuff that I'll break down a little bit further when we get there.
alex jones
He's just going to talk about from there.
Now, let's talk about this together.
Every time I talk about Katy Perry or Lady Gaga doing a satanic ritual on TV, they have national news headlines saying I'm insane.
dan friesen
Also, podcasts say that.
jordan holmes
Every time I talk about Katy Perry.
dan friesen
Or Lady Gaga.
I do it a lot.
jordan holmes
I know.
That's a very revealing statement.
I talk about Katy Perry and Lady Gaga all the time, and people think I'm the lunatic.
dan friesen
People think I'm crazy because I'm drawing connections where they don't exist.
Oh, my God.
What am I saying?
jordan holmes
Oh, man.
When are we going to get Rainbow Snatch a recording contract?
dan friesen
She might be on the bench.
She has not appeared in the last week or so.
jordan holmes
Poor girl.
alex jones
I'm making up that witchcraft is taking place.
Whether you believe in the devil or you believe in the occult or whether you have a Christian view, whatever, this is going on.
And when you watch the Super Bowl events or you watch the MTV events or you watch the Grammys or the Emmys, they are chop full of everything from classical Satanism, black magic, to Egyptian occultic stuff.
It just runs the gamut.
I've covered Skull and Bones.
I'm the only person to ever sneak into Bohemian Grove and actually get out with the footage without being arrested.
dan friesen
I'd also like to, again, remind everyone, look into the real story of that.
It's not at all what he says.
jordan holmes
Nope.
Also, I really loved the halftime at the Super Bowl show.
Do you remember the one where Aleister Crowley did it?
dan friesen
Oh, man.
He was so good.
jordan holmes
It was awesome.
dan friesen
It was him and InSync, right?
alex jones
Yeah.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
And of course, the weekend was there, because why not?
Let's just throw him in.
dan friesen
I can't figure my opinion.
Is that them?
I don't know.
I don't know bands, man.
I listened to Pink, and then I said, Yeah, somehow, somehow this.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
That was where I said enough.
unidentified
All right.
jordan holmes
All right.
You got it.
I like how his view of witchcraft is, whatever you believe, witchcraft is real.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
That's his.
unidentified
No matter what you believe, they believe it.
jordan holmes
Like how Neil deGrasse Tyson thinks of science.
You know, like, it's awesome that science works whether or not you believe it.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
So does witchcraft, apparently.
dan friesen
Alex thinks it's like a universal truth that.
Witchcraft.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
There are witches.
dan friesen
I mean, like, if you want to.
jordan holmes
Why else would you have burned people for it?
dan friesen
If you want to look into the history of satanic panic and how much danger and damage it's.
It's a brain band.
Is it a band?
unidentified
I don't know.
jordan holmes
Who cares?
dan friesen
It should be.
jordan holmes
It should be.
Satanic panic?
dan friesen
But this happens over and over through our history.
We just keep getting scared of demonic forces, and it just makes us do horrible things.
You go back to the Salem witch trials.
You go back to tons of cases.
Like, what was it?
The McMartin school case?
Yep.
It's not something that's primitive.
It's something that does happen in our modern times.
Or Alexis is guilty now of perpetuating it.
jordan holmes
The mental hospitals just 60 years ago when people were still being tortured for all of that shit.
dan friesen
My uncle might be a part of that.
alex jones
Yeah.
jordan holmes
My uncle might be a war criminal.
dan friesen
No, no.
jordan holmes
I know, I know.
dan friesen
He's just had religious ideas about psychiatry.
That's all.
We talked about it.
jordan holmes
Hey, witchcraft is real.
Let's not worry about it.
dan friesen
All right, here we go.
alex jones
Or later set up and indicted by the grace of God.
Oh, yeah, they've really put people in prison that have snuck in there.
Not for that.
They go set you up.
I mean, it's pretty hardcore.
The point is, is we've been protected by God.
I don't believe I know.
And so Katy Perry and all these people are into witchcraft.
unidentified
Yep.
alex jones
You know, I know Katy Perry's dad.
He's a preacher.
He's talked about it.
Katy Perry used to listen to the show.
jordan holmes
Did she?
dan friesen
Long pause.
jordan holmes
Did she?
Did she?
alex jones
Katy Perry is fully, fully aware of what she's doing and what she's up to, and that you supposedly get power in this world if you tip your witch to the devil if you kiss the ring.
I guess Pope Francis is the greatest incarnation of Satan I could ever imagine.
Christianity's bad.
Nationalism's bad.
Christian roots of Europe's bad.
I mean, whoa!
Thank you for being honest, Methostopheles, Elzeybub, Bathonet, Satan, the great serpent, the devil, the morning star.
Pope Francis is the new name of the devil.
dan friesen
Pope Francis is the devil, according to Alex Jones.
jordan holmes
Pope Francis is the dark pope?
dan friesen
Yeah, he's.
jordan holmes
Oh, man.
dan friesen
No, because there is a black pope, apparently.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Well, if you've ever seen the fantastic movie The Order, starring, what's his face?
The Joker?
Yeah.
He Pledger and that one.
dan friesen
Wasn't that movie about the Sin Eaters?
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
It was great.
dan friesen
I loved that movie.
jordan holmes
Shannon Sassiman?
Hottest woman alive.
dan friesen
I saw it because I worked at a movie theater.
I did not think it was great.
jordan holmes
It's a terrible movie, but I loved it.
dan friesen
If you like Shannon Stossiman, go fucking watch 40 Days and 40 Nights.
jordan holmes
Why would I watch that movie?
dan friesen
It's great.
jordan holmes
It's not great.
dan friesen
Guy Can't Jack Off for Lent.
jordan holmes
Josh Hartnett is still not a good actor.
Although he was great in Penny Dreadful.
How do we always get off on weird?
dan friesen
He makes Shannon Stossiman come with a rose petal.
alex jones
Yeah.
jordan holmes
That's how great Shannon Sassiman is.
She's easy.
dan friesen
So the Pope is the devil.
jordan holmes
The Pope is the devil.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
All that stuff he was saying.
jordan holmes
The Pope is the devil.
dan friesen
All that stuff he's saying is, again, misinterpreting quotes that he made.
On the last episode, we had one of the Pope's things about Muslim terrorism not existing.
We broke down why Alex is lying and being dishonest about that.
When he talks about populism, what the Pope was saying is historically, populist movements have ended up very poorly.
jordan holmes
I didn't know that Christianity, then nationalism, like witches are both the enemy of Christianity and nationalism.
dan friesen
Witches?
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Remember earlier he was going, they're against Christianity.
They're against nationalism.
They're against the nationalist Christianity.
dan friesen
I must have.
jordan holmes
That was witches.
dan friesen
I must have tuned that out.
jordan holmes
That was witches.
dan friesen
That goes to show, like, I can just put Alex into, like, he just becomes white noise at some point.
And white noise, that's what I would say.
unidentified
Oh, boy.
dan friesen
But again, it's another misrepresentation of what the Pope is saying in order to demonize him and pretend that Alex's version of Christianity is real.
The mainstream version is demons.
jordan holmes
The Pope is the devil.
dan friesen
Yeah.
That's heretical.
jordan holmes
That's pretty bad.
dan friesen
Especially considering in the same interview where he talks about populism ending up bad, which I think history bears out.
Most of the time there have been populist movements.
It's ended up in disaster.
jordan holmes
The French Revolution worked?
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Okay, no.
The Bolshevik Revolution.
Oh, no.
The Arab Spring were.
Oh, no.
dan friesen
Germany.
jordan holmes
Germany, that was great.
No.
unidentified
Oh.
dan friesen
The Kingfish?
jordan holmes
Spain?
Remember when?
Oh, no, shit.
dan friesen
That's a wrong.
unidentified
Shit.
dan friesen
Yeah, but in the same.
jordan holmes
We don't have a lot of good ones there.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
In the same interview, he's talking about the idea that people think of him as different than a normal person.
And he's talking about how, like, I'm just a normal believer.
I'm just another Christian.
jordan holmes
Yeah, no, I don't think we have.
I think we have revealed that he may not believe in any of the basic tenets of Christianity.
dan friesen
The Pope or Alex?
jordan holmes
Alex.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
I think the Pope has at least one or two under his belt.
dan friesen
And that saying, like, sometimes.
jordan holmes
I mean, the devil would at least be familiar with the Bible.
dan friesen
That's right.
jordan holmes
As opposed to Alex Jones, who basically just says, does he believe in anything that even relates to your and I upbringing with Christianity?
dan friesen
I don't know.
I think some of it, but I think he also probably maybe believes some of the stuff that's in like the lost gospels and shit like that.
A lot of those books that were kicked out of the Bible.
jordan holmes
Yeah, we've talked about that before.
I don't.
I would imagine he would deny them because they weren't in the Bible.
dan friesen
But a lot of them include some of that metaphysical stuff that he seems to be super into.
jordan holmes
That's right.
dan friesen
Whereas mainstream Christianity really doesn't have a lot of that in it.
jordan holmes
They're not big fans of it.
dan friesen
No, but if you get into like the lost books.
jordan holmes
They're more anti-gay than anything else.
dan friesen
Yeah.
If you get into the lost books of the Bible and forgotten books of Eden or the Apocrypha, if you get into all of these books that aren't part of the normal canon, you end up with some pretty wild stuff.
jordan holmes
Yeah, the ones where there are multiple first women, like there is Eve, but then there's Lilith who birthed all the monsters and shit.
dan friesen
Yeah, yeah.
There's all kinds of things.
jordan holmes
Lilith in the Gnostic Gospels just fucks everything.
That's Lilith's job.
dan friesen
She has control of her sexuality.
jordan holmes
Yeah, which is why she is evil, as we all know.
dan friesen
And why there used to be a kick-ass music festival named after that.
Wish I was old enough to go back then.
I would have loved to.
jordan holmes
It would have been good.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Anyway, there's more witch talk.
unidentified
We'll be back at five with more witch talk.
alex jones
It was on CNN.
It was all over the newspapers.
It was all over Rolling Stone.
All these rock stars and music stars were all saying, we're going to do black magic to kill Trump and turn him to ashes and all this other made-up crap.
And then they had right-wing wash and stuff going, Jones is insane.
He believes that they're announcing this.
See, they play these games.
So They want to make you feel powerless.
They want to throw stuff out, but also deny it.
Trying to make you just give up.
unidentified
It's not going to work.
jordan holmes
There was that witch energy thing that they did, right?
Wasn't there one where you saw it on Twitter and they're like, yeah, nobody believes in this shit, but hey, point your energy at this day.
You know, like that kind of thing.
dan friesen
Yeah, it's like hippies trying to levitate the Pentagon back in the 70s.
You know, there was shit like that.
It's like, liberals don't believe this.
It's as wacky to everyone.
But you take it seriously, Alex.
That's why people think you're insane.
But the other thing, too, is that there is a long history of Alex Jones being trolled by Satanists.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
Where they're like.
jordan holmes
Who again are the best?
dan friesen
Yeah, they basically do shit like, okay, we want to put up a satanic statue at the end of the day.
jordan holmes
Yeah, if you're going to do the Ten Commandments, we get to put Satan up there.
dan friesen
Fuck you.
They use firm logic in order to be like, okay, you don't want to take down your religious thing.
You must tolerate our religious thing being on public buildings.
jordan holmes
Otherwise, your religious tolerance arguments are pure hypocrisy.
dan friesen
Yes, and Alex Jones falls for it every fucking time.
hook line and sinker so he's talking about these witches getting together to pray for right not even pray I tipped my hand there.
He was like using spells to bring down President Trump, whereas before, he would encourage people to pray against Obama.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
And it's the exact same thing.
jordan holmes
No, it's not.
dan friesen
It is.
jordan holmes
Prayer and spells are very different.
In one, you chant and try to appeal to a higher power to influence reality.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
And in the other one, you chant and then, like, probably fuck.
Like, that's why witchcraft is awesome.
dan friesen
One of them is theoretically.
jordan holmes
If you know anything about sex magic, which L. Ron Hubbard does, you know it's good stuff.
dan friesen
And that was part of that InSync Aleister Crowley halftime special.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it was good stuff.
A lot of sex magic.
dan friesen
Listen, we don't support Aleister Crowley.
jordan holmes
We do support sex magic, though.
dan friesen
Some of the stuff he was into was pretty cool, but he was also a bad dude.
jordan holmes
Again, Jack Parsons.
He came up on the podcast one time before, the rocketry dude.
dan friesen
Yeah, who was he?
jordan holmes
He was also involved in the sex magic with L. Ron Hubbard.
dan friesen
The only thing I don't like about sex magic is how it's spelled.
jordan holmes
With a K?
dan friesen
Yeah, I think it was a J and a K magic.
Anyway, who cares?
It's irrelevant.
So now we've got to get to.
Jordan, it's time to take a dip into the uninviting seas of race talk.
jordan holmes
All right, all right.
dan friesen
This is one of the big narratives on Thursday's show.
Alex is super pissed about Jorge Ramos.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
He mentioned his name earlier, and now we're going to see exactly why.
jordan holmes
Jorge Ramos is a Univision TV anchor.
unidentified
Okay.
dan friesen
And he Alex frequently on this episode calls him George, which I think is insulting.
jordan holmes
That's very insulting.
dan friesen
But he had an interview with Tucker Carlson, which is what is going to be broken down by Alex in the next video.
jordan holmes
Jorge Ramos was the one kicked out of the press junket that one time, wasn't he?
I don't know.
I believe he was.
dan friesen
Okay, I'm not aware of that.
It doesn't come up.
Yeah.
But he is a popular Univision presenter.
unidentified
Yes.
dan friesen
And he recently had a speech where he was talking about how there's a lot of people who don't want immigrants to be here, and it is not their country.
It is all our country.
unidentified
Yes.
dan friesen
And that could be misinterpreted to be understood as this is Mexican's country now, bitch, which is not what he was saying.
jordan holmes
I'm going to assume that was not what he was saying.
dan friesen
It is not.
jordan holmes
If it was what he was saying, though, that would be pretty funny.
dan friesen
It would be also pretty fucked up.
jordan holmes
It would be pretty fucked up.
dan friesen
It would be like, oh, Alex, I got a side view on this one.
I don't like the idea of this being anyone's country other than all of ours.
jordan holmes
Or maybe he was thinking we should trade.
Like, all the Mexicans move into the United States, all the states move into the Michigan.
dan friesen
There's a lot of beach down there.
jordan holmes
That would be a good.
dan friesen
The food is great.
But wait, the food would go with the people.
jordan holmes
No, they have to leave it.
Shit.
Yep, right?
alex jones
Okay.
dan friesen
I'm very conflicted here.
jordan holmes
Just an even trade.
No extra stuff.
dan friesen
I don't know if I want to go move to Mexico and trade countries if I'm just going to be eating frozen pizza stuff.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's a good point.
unidentified
Fuck.
dan friesen
All right.
But anyway, another big part of his point, and he'll elaborate on it a little bit, is that within 20 years or so, white people will be a minority, and we will be a majority-minority country.
There won't be a plurality.
Everyone will be minorities.
And that is a threatening idea to people who are super into being white.
And it's not a threatening idea to me at all.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I don't like anybody who's super into being white.
That's not a good thing.
dan friesen
It's worrisome.
jordan holmes
It's very worrisome.
Because historically, it's very murdersome.
dan friesen
These are the main things that this Ramos interview has to do with.
unidentified
Yes.
dan friesen
And Alex takes it to weird directions and frequently calls Jorge Ramos a race pimp.
jordan holmes
A race pimp?
dan friesen
Which I want to be clear: if you've ever used the term race pimp and you weren't quoting Alex Jones, you will have a problem.
jordan holmes
Also, if you've ever used the term race pimp, explain to me what that's supposed to mean.
dan friesen
You're pimping races, baby.
jordan holmes
I don't understand what that means.
dan friesen
It means, I think, that you're making money trying to get races to fight each other or something like that.
Which kind of describes Alex a little bit.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Also, no, that still doesn't make sense using the two words put together.
Race pimp, that suggests that you are making money selling races to people.
dan friesen
Well, yeah, kind of.
jordan holmes
Right.
Now, are we talking about people?
Or are we talking about he is painting faces?
That's really what I think Alex is saying: is that Jorge Ramos sells black face paint for a day.
dan friesen
It's possible.
jordan holmes
You get to be black for the day.
dan friesen
It's possible.
It's not possible.
jordan holmes
It's not possible.
dan friesen
Here is.
jordan holmes
And if it was, that might be a fun service.
dan friesen
Here's the introduction to Alex talking about this interview, and I can't confirm any of the things he says in this.
I don't know if it's accurate.
I don't care because it's weird.
jordan holmes
Let's find out.
dan friesen
It's super weird.
jordan holmes
Okay.
alex jones
Now, Mr. Ramos looks like he has some native Indian features.
unidentified
back when we thought this was india also i want to say that just races this shit off the out the gate Keep in mind.
jordan holmes
We got one on the board.
dan friesen
Keep in mind that Alex, one of his big arguments that he's trying to make is like, I don't care about race.
I don't want to talk about this stuff.
jordan holmes
He looks like he's not from here.
dan friesen
He looks like he's got Indian traits.
jordan holmes
Yeah, he looks like he's from here too much.
I think that's what I think when we used to think the people here were Indians.
I think he's pointing out that it's bad that he's got Native American features.
I think that's what he's saying right there.
dan friesen
It seems like he's like two steps away from phrenology, too.
Anyway, here we go.
It gets so weird.
alex jones
Circumnavigating the globe, running into Mexico, running into what's Mexico today.
But actually, you look at the ruling class of Mexico.
I mean, they look like Spaniards looking paintings 500 years ago because there's not one drop.
In fact, I'm more under their yardstick.
If you're Native American and then Spanish, you could say, because I have some Native American, that I'm more Hispanic than the ruling class of Mexico.
I'm just a person.
But the point is, this is all complete, absolute horsemaner.
jordan holmes
What is?
alex jones
Total horsemaner.
unidentified
Okay.
alex jones
So for everybody that doesn't know, being brainwashed, let me tell you what Hispanic is.
jordan holmes
Oh, boy.
alex jones
Moores invaded.
jordan holmes
We're white-splaining Hispanicness.
Excellent.
dan friesen
I have to pause just so you could get that out before he gets away from this.
jordan holmes
Well, we're white-splaining.
Okay, let's find this out.
dan friesen
It's not just Hispanics.
It's all sorts of races.
He explains what they are.
jordan holmes
Oh, I'm going to sit back and let this wash over me.
I am going to wash this over my head like so much holy water.
alex jones
Spain and took over about 90% of it.
And they were Arab, and what's Arab?
Asian, African, and Anglo.
So, Spaniards, 95% of them, have African, Asian, and basically Germanic.
Before Spain got overrun, it was basically Germanic.
Okay?
Blonde-haired blue eyes.
So that's what, that's what.
So if you're Hispanic, you're basically Germanic.
A little bit of African.
And then some Asian, because that's who came into Africa and all the Middle East, okay?
Then you come here and then you intermarry with the Native Americans who are Chinese.
The genetics is the same thing.
Tens of thousands of years ago, over the Bering Lands land bridge, into what is Canada today, and then migrating down through the country.
Down through the continent.
jordan holmes
It's not a country.
10,000.
alex jones
And the countries that are on the continent today of North America, Central America, South America.
That's who you are.
But no one will even tell you that.
They'll just say, kill white people.
They're the devil.
Colonialist.
And it's colonialist with the ancestors like Mr. Ramos telling you this because they don't want you to ever figure out what we did in 1776 and actually begin a program of actually having a system set up for the people where there is a giant middle class and where we get all the spaceships and medical care and all the stuff that a free society brings that, oh, America's so evil, everybody wants to come here.
Then the globalists want to try to extinguish all of that.
So you have him spewing hardcore racism.
Imagine if Tucker Carlson said, the United States is for white people.
I would decry that.
What are you talking about?
dan friesen
Okay, good on you there at the end.
But yeah, that's interesting, right?
That's pretty good.
Pretty good stuff.
Pretty good breakdown.
jordan holmes
I don't understand quite what I'm more offended by in all of that.
dan friesen
Let's create a hierarchy of anger.
jordan holmes
Okay.
One, his knowledge of genetics is very poor.
dan friesen
It's very, very poor.
jordan holmes
It's surface level.
Also, China, you can't be Chinese 10,000 years before China exists.
That's not how that works.
dan friesen
I think if you want to be generous to him, I think what he meant is the sort of genetic line that would become China broke.
Right.
jordan holmes
They were Asian.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
They were from the land continent of Asia.
Right.
As we know it.
But that is silly.
dan friesen
Fair.
jordan holmes
Like, because if you're going to pull this shit, just say everybody is African.
Just do that.
unidentified
Sure.
jordan holmes
That's where human beings came from, so we're all African.
dan friesen
Yeah.
unidentified
Great.
jordan holmes
Now, if you say we're all African, why are you such a goddamn racist, you piece of shit?
dan friesen
Right.
unidentified
I mean, I don't know.
jordan holmes
That's not how that works.
dan friesen
I don't have a full understanding of genetics or of the history of genetics and that sort of thing.
jordan holmes
Germanic people are not blonde-haired, blue-eyed.
No, that's Nordic.
dan friesen
Yeah.
But I know enough that I know he's wrong.
That's where I'm at.
I can't, without taking a college course on why he's wrong, explain it, but I know he's wrong.
jordan holmes
I mean, he's got this, like, this fundamental Mendelian genetic concept that we all know isn't real anymore.
That it, like, if you have two bean plants, you're going to get the same.
Like, it's dumb.
It's dumb.
He's dumb.
Everything he says is dumb.
dan friesen
He is.
jordan holmes
This is dumb.
None of that makes sense.
What is even his point?
dan friesen
I don't know.
jordan holmes
What is even his point?
Is his point that they're saying hate white people when you don't know that you're a white person too?
dan friesen
Or you're Arab and Chinese or something?
jordan holmes
Yeah.
unidentified
Like, what is his ultimate point there?
dan friesen
At the end of the day, even if he's right about all of it, it doesn't really seem to mean anything other than you think you're Mexican, but you're all these other things.
unidentified
And he was so close to talking about colonialism.
jordan holmes
Like, the ruling class of Mexico is he's really close to saying, like, they're not Hispanic because they were colonized.
That's what I think he's saying.
dan friesen
It's possible.
jordan holmes
But then he's saying that the true colonialists are the Mexicans who got colonized.
dan friesen
Or the Moors.
I think he was talking about the Moors before that.
jordan holmes
Yeah, the Arab African.
Why are we doing this?
There's no reason to try and make sense of that crazy nonsense.
dan friesen
He's full of shit.
But his argument then is that in 1776, America was trying to undo all that sort of stuff.
jordan holmes
Yeah, as we all know, there was a giant middle class whenever 1776 happened.
dan friesen
Very much so.
jordan holmes
It definitely wasn't a group of fucking rich ass who had a ton of slaves.
dan friesen
Yeah, not at all that, but, you know, we can, he does actually.
jordan holmes
And he keeps drawing in this middle class as the whole goal of the United States is a strong middle class.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
That, by its very, god damn it.
God damn it.
dan friesen
I think having a strong middle class is a positive, not a negative.
jordan holmes
I mean, but yeah, that's not the point of it.
unidentified
No.
jordan holmes
And also, there's an upper class.
There's always a ruling class if the idea is that you want a strong middle class.
Does he not want a ruling class?
dan friesen
By definition, if you have a middle class, you have the other class.
jordan holmes
You have the other classes.
You can't just have one middle class.
dan friesen
Now, I don't know if I want to sit here and advocate for everyone being the same.
jordan holmes
I think what we're doing is some full-on communism.
I think we were socialists, and then obviously that led to communism.
And now we're going to overthrow it.
dan friesen
It's the other way around.
Communism leads to socialism, according to Alex's theories.
jordan holmes
But that is the opposite of what most crazy people believe about socialism and communism.
dan friesen
It doesn't matter.
Okay.
Anyway, let's get to this Ramos clip.
He does.
Remember, we have a rich history on this show.
jordan holmes
I don't remember.
I'm still lost in.
If you're a Native American, you're Chinese.
dan friesen
We have a rich history on this show of looking at Alex's media criticism.
And this is another great example of him taking a clip from a show and just fucking going to town on it.
unidentified
All right.
dan friesen
Like, really crazy.
jordan holmes
How many.
So my favorite part of all of these media criticism clips is he never criticizes the media.
unidentified
No.
jordan holmes
It is always let the guy get two words in and then he's he looks like he's a pussy.
He looks like he just has sex with other men all the time.
He has a race with his face.
He's a pedophile that face fucks everybody.
dan friesen
I'll say it's not as bad as that, but it's still not great.
unidentified
Okay.
alex jones
A race panel.
No, no, no.
Oh, no.
The majority is Hispanic.
Yes, absolutely.
In fact, it's already most of her is half Hispanic.
By 2030, it's like 60, 70%.
Total, absolutely.
And so what I said is it's your country.
Don't you want free market and private property and guns and raising your own kids?
dan friesen
He's saying this.
He's saying this about like...
jordan holmes
Don't you want free market and private property and guns?
Don't you want guns?
dan friesen
He's saying this about the future Hispanic large populations in the country.
jordan holmes
And the United States.
dan friesen
Yeah, it's going to be your country.
jordan holmes
So white people are passing along the torch of free market, private property, and guns.
dan friesen
His idea.
jordan holmes
To the Hispanic population.
dan friesen
His idea is substantially worse than what Jorge Ramos was saying.
jordan holmes
I'm pretty sure he doesn't want that.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So anyway, that is the context for that.
He's going to get into the clip.
alex jones
Having the government forced abortions and deadly inoculations, like they give the, quote, peasants in Mexico for Gardasil that's sterilizing almost all those people.
Oh, I'm so anti-Mexican, I don't want you to sterilize your daughter.
Oh, but the loving liberals in your town have the shot.
Guys like Ramos, your damn enemy.
Excuse me.
dan friesen
He's doing a ton of people.
jordan holmes
Did a bird break in and just start flapping around?
Did he fight the bird for a while?
dan friesen
In the last week, he's been doing so much foley work with paper.
Yeah.
It's going nuts.
jordan holmes
His space work is fantastic.
dan friesen
Every single episode, there's some crumpling paper.
And if you're watching the video, it's intentional.
He's doing it to make the noise like he's shuffling through papers.
jordan holmes
Oh, boy.
dan friesen
It's so awesome.
I love it so much.
jordan holmes
All right.
alex jones
It's sickening.
It's absolutely, completely sickening to sit here and watch this level of garbage.
This is disgusting.
So let's go ahead and start going over all this.
Let's start with the race pimp.
I mean, this guy is a monster.
And this is what's taught in schools.
This is what kids are forced.
It's why all over California, the Ninth Circuit ruled, you can't wear American flags at school because it'll upset the Hispanics who brainwashed this.
jordan holmes
Back to some good old-fashioned can't wear American flags at schools.
dan friesen
We fully debunked this.
If you actually go look into the Ninth Circuit decision about that, just as a quick reminder, it was about Hispanic kids being bullied by kids on Cinco de Mayo.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
There were many instances of harassment by kids wearing American flags and being like, fuck you on Cinco de Mayo.
And the Ninth Circuit Court ruled not that you can't wear American flags, but that if schools have rules to not allow you to wear American flags, specifically on Cinco de Mayo, that was okay.
That wasn't against the law.
It wasn't against free speech, which is not what Alex says.
jordan holmes
Also, I did look it up, and Jorge Ramos did say race pimping ain't easy.
dan friesen
But it sure is fun.
alex jones
People that have moved here that they shouldn't be able to see an American flag.
People like Jorge Ramos.
That's who.
And by the way, he cold-bloodedly knows exactly what he's doing.
I wonder if Ramos has kids.
jordan holmes
Oh, boy.
alex jones
I wonder who he tells them to marry.
Again, total.
unidentified
Whoa.
dan friesen
Like, that's the role of a parent.
jordan holmes
Whoa.
I wonder if Alex Jones has kids.
dan friesen
He does.
jordan holmes
I wonder who he's going to tell them to marry.
dan friesen
I don't give a shit.
Katy Perry.
She's coming like a dark horse into that family.
Like, I don't know, man.
jordan holmes
She used to listen to the show.
dan friesen
Listen, like, this sort of thing, it's fun, but it is sort of our principle to leave his family out of this.
jordan holmes
It isn't like he does bring in other people's families.
Right, and that's what frustrates me.
dan friesen
I know, but that's shitty.
jordan holmes
We're trying to take the higher road.
dan friesen
It's not that it's the higher road.
What he's doing is shitty, and we can call it out because it's against our principles to talk shit on his family, except his kid who works for Infowars, and we're still not mean to him.
Yeah.
jordan holmes
So, like, I mean, well, it's whatever he's accusing us of doing.
Listen, he's doing.
So, that gives us free reign to do that.
dan friesen
I know a fuck ton of salacious gossip about his family that I don't repeat on the air, and I don't think is necessarily true.
I'm not going to get into it.
Anyway.
jordan holmes
Look how I did that.
alex jones
Just to do Mexico.
People that have kept themselves separate from the quote natives for 10, 15 generations.
Longer than that.
Hell, 500 years?
Boy, that's pretty damn racist.
Hey, Jorge, did you adopt a Korean person like my family did?
No, because you're a stinking pig and a stinking, race-baiting Hispanic KKK race manager trying to hurt your own people.
And I indict you as a slug and an enemy of humanity.
dan friesen
Yeah?
You have your jaw wide open.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
You appear to be surprised.
He's a Hispanic KKK race pimp manager.
jordan holmes
Race pimp.
I didn't know all of those words could be used to describe the same person.
dan friesen
And all that could be undone if he adopted a Korean.
jordan holmes
He adopted a Korean.
And if he by family name.
Are we bad people for not adopting Koreans?
dan friesen
I'm not sure.
jordan holmes
Does he think everybody who hasn't adopted a Korean is racist?
dan friesen
I think we've got to adopt some Koreans.
jordan holmes
I think we got a knowledge fight donations for raising our Korean child.
dan friesen
Yes, absolutely.
We're going to get third chair.
Another co-host, a Korean baby.
We're going to get this ship ethically sound, according to Alex, just by introducing this third host.
jordan holmes
Let me ask you a question in reference to Dana Gould's joke.
Are we going to teach it English?
dan friesen
No.
jordan holmes
Okay, good.
dan friesen
No, absolutely not.
alex jones
Now, let's go ahead and play this race pimp.
Here he is.
tucker carlson
Hey, Von Race is an anchor for Univision and one of the president's loudest critics on immigration.
He joins us tonight from Paris.
Thanks for coming on.
jorge ramos
Great to be here.
Thank you.
tucker carlson
So at an event several weeks ago in February, you said this, and I wanted to ask you about it.
And I'm quoting you.
I'm a proud Latino immigrant here in the United States.
You know exactly what is going on here in the U.S. There are many people who do not want us to be here and who want to create a wall in order to separate us.
But you know what?
This is also our country.
Let me repeat this.
Our country, not theirs.
It's our country.
Who's the us and who's the they?
Whose country is it?
jorge ramos
This is our country.
It is yours.
It is mine.
And it is ours.
The interesting thing is that with the Trump administration and many people who support Donald Trump, they think it is their country, that it is a white country, and they are absolutely wrong.
This is not a white country.
This is not their country.
It is ours.
And that's precisely what I'm saying.
Look, in 2044, this country, the white population will become a minority.
It will be a minority majority country.
That's precisely what I'm saying.
Latinos, Asians, African Americans, whites.
It is our country, Token.
tucker carlson
Right.
Let me just point out that you are white.
Obviously, you applied white people.
alex jones
He teaches on his own channel a bunch of racism.
tucker carlson
What do you mean by white or Latino?
But let me just ask you again to explain our country not theirs.
Who is they?
Whose country is it not?
jorge ramos
Well, many people who want to go back to 1965 when there was a white minority.
Many people who believe that Latinos and immigrants.
alex jones
Just to be clear, obviously there are white people that are tribal.
And then they see a bunch of other groups forming into tribal groups, and it makes them legitimize their tribalism that is, quote, racism.
The point is the idea that only white people are tribal is pure bull.
And the point is, is that the left has broken the social compact of bringing people in that are hard workers and then getting them to the melting pot of American culture.
They're being indoctrinated to be anti-nation state, anti-sovereignty, with the Pope leading Latin America and other people.
And they're saying populism and nationalism is evil.
unidentified
All right.
alex jones
So that's the problem, George, is that you and others, you know, full well, you know, I've seen you on the YouTube with all the race baiting garbage and all the La Reconquista billboards for your, you know, Univision is in Guadalupe-Hidalgo Treaty and all this crap.
jordan holmes
Guadalupe?
So here's what Ramos is saying.
Ramos is saying, as a blanket statement, it is not their country.
Meaning anybody who says it's my country.
unidentified
Yes.
jordan holmes
It is our country.
Meaning you don't get to choose that your country is, you know, and that's exactly what Alex figured out and somehow got wrong still.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Alex is pointing.
Alex is explaining it perfectly.
dan friesen
It's remarkable.
jordan holmes
Everybody's tribal.
And if you say that.
dan friesen
Well, actually, I think you're misinterpreting that.
jordan holmes
No, no.
I mean, what he's saying is that not just white people are tribals.
dan friesen
Right, right, right.
But I think you're misunderstanding what he was saying in that little segment.
He was trying to say that racism is really just tribalism.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
And that is a, I think, a clunky dodge.
jordan holmes
To a certain point, I actually kind of agree that racism is just tribalism.
dan friesen
Some of it is rooted in that.
Some of it is.
But I don't think all of it.
jordan holmes
No, some of it is just good old-fashioned hate.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Good old-fashioned down-home country hate.
Right.
dan friesen
But to try and rebrand racism as tribalism is to take some of the stink off it a little bit.
And that is what he was doing in that sentence.
I mean, I might be wrong, but that's my take on it.
jordan holmes
I don't see how that takes any of the stink off of it.
I mean, if you remember tribalism, anytime tribes came into contact with each other, it didn't usually go well.
dan friesen
No, it was like populism.
It doesn't end well.
jordan holmes
Right.
It doesn't end well.
No.
But it doesn't carry the same modern connotation, I believe.
So you're.
Yeah, I agree with you on that regard.
dan friesen
And I think Alex thinks he can get around the racist tag by like, no, I just like tribalism into tribes.
unidentified
We're just tribes.
dan friesen
Yeah, I'm into tribes, man.
Just like the tribe called Quest.
The Booyah tribe.
Can't think of any more tribes.
Can't think of any more music acts.
Got a tribe in the name.
jordan holmes
Yeah, no, I'm out.
dan friesen
Booyah tribe.
Really glad.
jordan holmes
You just started staring off into the middle distance.
dan friesen
Well, what that was was like, my internal monologue was, damn, I'm proud I pulled that name.
That was what it was.
jordan holmes
But you're not bragging or anything.
You're not saying that to brag.
You're just saying, look at how proud I am.
dan friesen
Legitimately, before it came out of my mouth, I was like, I have one example.
I'm just going to say tribe called Quest.
unidentified
Nope.
dan friesen
Came up with Booyah Tribe.
jordan holmes
Very good.
dan friesen
And I have one thing to say about that.
Booyah.
jordan holmes
Nope, nope.
dan friesen
So anyway, his, I think a lot of that is really awful, Alex's interpretation of that.
I also think that Tucker Carlson is not understanding what Jorge Ramos is saying.
jordan holmes
Also, I think willfully not understanding.
dan friesen
Absolutely.
jordan holmes
And I believe he says, you're white.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
And I'm pretty sure he's talking about skin color, not genetics or heritage there.
dan friesen
Which Alex previously has explained.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
But yeah, he is.
He's like, you're white.
alex jones
Yeah.
dan friesen
Which is.
jordan holmes
You're like me an incredibly white person.
Right?
dan friesen
No, he actually says you're whiter than me.
jordan holmes
Oh, boy.
unidentified
Oh, boy.
dan friesen
Tucker, you used to wear a bow tie.
jordan holmes
Tucker, you are white.
It's you and Paul Ryan are the epitome of shitty white person.
dan friesen
Yeah, it's bad.
But yeah, I think that it's certainly within Tucker Carlson's sort of modus operandi to not understand people intentionally in order to try and bait them into giving a soundbite that he gets to play back like they're a big dummy.
We've seen it over and over again since he got his new show.
It's incredibly awful.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Like it's he used to be terrible, like when he was on Crossfire and shit.
And now he's so much worse.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
I didn't think that was possible.
jordan holmes
He does the Daily Caller too, right?
That's his website or whatever.
dan friesen
Jackrag of a blog.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's InfoWars Light.
dan friesen
Yeah, but they also have like, I'm going to pull it up.
I want to get some headlines from the caller.
jordan holmes
You want to get some headlines?
dan friesen
They have some of the worst.
jordan holmes
And gentlemen listening to this podcast, he has roughly 3,000 articles printed out on this desk, and he's going to shuffle through them right now and just read the headlines.
That's some great Foley work right there.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Blah blah blah.
Some headlines.
jordan holmes
Race pimps abound.
dan friesen
California City quietly moves towards sanctuary city status in defiance of Trump.
I mean, that's close to like a majority.
jordan holmes
That's a reasonable headline.
dan friesen
This photo Ivanka Trump shared online is generating quite a buzz.
jordan holmes
I mean, okay.
dan friesen
High school math teacher gets probation for traumatizing male teens with a bunch of sex.
jordan holmes
Wait, wait.
I want to know what he's doing.
Wait, wait, did he traumatize them with a bunch of sex?
dan friesen
This model's Instagram account is out of control.
jordan holmes
Whoa!
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
So, I mean, like, he has.
jordan holmes
She should get that under control.
dan friesen
Yeah, they just.
I mean, the Daily Caller is full.
jordan holmes
Did he have sex in front of them?
dan friesen
No, it was a she.
jordan holmes
Is it she?
dan friesen
Yeah, it was a she.
jordan holmes
So does she have sex with all of them?
dan friesen
I guess a bunch of times.
jordan holmes
Terrorizing them.
dan friesen
It's 2017, and feminism means you shouldn't defend a woman if she's called a hooker.
Britney Spears dancing in a bikini at the beach is something you won't want to miss.
jordan holmes
No, I can miss it.
dan friesen
I'm fine missing it.
jordan holmes
I mean, I would just put in Crossroads again.
dan friesen
Emily Radachowski wore a bikini that was a little too small for her.
Big mistake!
Exclamation point.
jordan holmes
Oh, so this isn't even a political blog.
This is just bullshit.
dan friesen
This is in their interview.
jordan holmes
Yeah, this is some bullshit right there.
dan friesen
Yeah, in their political section, there's the standard InfoWars light, but then they also have just titties all over the place.
Daily Caller is terrible.
It's a terrible website.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I can see that.
dan friesen
Tucker Carlson is an asshole.
Anyway, this Ramos interview, Alex is not done by a long shot.
of course not so here we get into he takes a break for about five minutes to yell more about uh uh paul ryan uh He takes a bit to yell about this band, Portugal Man.
Right.
jordan holmes
Who, again, we're big fans of.
dan friesen
Huge fans.
Never heard your music, but if you're burning an InfoWars newspaper, I'm on your side.
jordan holmes
We're on your side, yeah.
dan friesen
100%.
So he gets back to Ramos eventually, and I will pick up there.
alex jones
Now, let's go ahead and go back to Mr. Ramos.
Stories up on DrudgeReport.com.
Ramos, whites will become minority.
This is our country.
Those are his quotes.
Then he keeps saying, oh, but, you know, it's all our country.
dan friesen
He is saying that.
jordan holmes
Yep, that's exactly what he's saying.
dan friesen
What he's not saying is, this is our country.
When you take that as a headline, it makes racists think that he's saying, this is Mexican's country now, bitch.
jordan holmes
Yeah, the Drudge Report headline basically took the first part of a sentence, cut out the middle, and then the last part of a sentence.
dan friesen
And then also.
jordan holmes
They crunched them together and made it seem like Ramos was threatening everybody.
dan friesen
Yeah.
And didn't include the second sentence, which gets into all of the unity parts.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
Which is what they do.
jordan holmes
That's what they do.
That's the white victim narrative, is that we're always under attack.
Yeah.
They're always trying to take our whiteness.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Which is interesting because I don't think anybody, the one thing that white people have never given away is whiteness.
alex jones
No.
jordan holmes
Nobody wants it.
Nobody wants whiteness.
dan friesen
The idea of whiteness is nerdy.
jordan holmes
The idea of whiteness is the absence of color.
Right.
We are the absence of humanity.
That's what it is.
dan friesen
Sure.
And I don't want to go into a long indictment of the idea of whiteness being defined as not other folks, which is really the historical origins of whiteness.
Because, I mean, that would require, I mean, two hours.
jordan holmes
Yeah, we would have to explain it from the beginning.
dan friesen
It wouldn't be fun, but no.
But suffice it to say, it would be very important.
Whiteness has always been defined as in contrast to other things, which is why there are large groups of people who are like, oh, yeah, Jews, your skin is white, but you're not white.
You're not white enough.
That sort of thing is deeply entrenched in the history of the concept of whiteness, and it's a horrible, horrible, damaging philosophy that Alex Jones is super into.
jordan holmes
Yeah, and if you go back through history, anytime white people have met another society, it's gone bad for them.
dan friesen
Yeah.
unidentified
Much like a lot of people.
jordan holmes
Yeah, every time you read a story now from history, I'm always like, oh, and then they welcomed the white people, and in your head, it's like foreshadowing.
You're like, no, don't let the white people in.
Don't let it be like you're watching a horror movie and you're like, don't open the door.
dan friesen
Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
unidentified
Anyway, race pimp.
alex jones
The point is, is that it's a racially based system.
Then the elites manage all the little subgroups off against each other.
It's disgusting.
Let's go back to the past.
jordan holmes
That is true.
That's true.
alex jones
That's true.
jordan holmes
That's how they do it.
It's a great way to do it.
dan friesen
Sure, there is a little bit of.
jordan holmes
That's how the South did it.
dan friesen
There's a little kernel of truth in that, but Alex doesn't recognize that he also does that to an extreme extent.
jordan holmes
No, he has no idea.
But that's how they do it.
dan friesen
We can't celebrate him saying one right sentence when he's guilty of doing the exact same thing he's accusing other races of being involved in.
jordan holmes
I think if we just give him positive feedback when he's right, he'll eventually learn.
He just wants people to like him.
dan friesen
That one episode.
jordan holmes
He's doing his entire show because he wants us to like him.
dan friesen
The one episode where you talked about how great a couple of his philosophies were didn't change him one.
jordan holmes
Didn't change him one.
dan friesen
John Rappaport's picture is still not hung up.
That's true.
So, I mean, look, there's nothing we can do.
jordan holmes
We haven't put a dent.
If we could at least get the Rappaport picture up.
dan friesen
That's really our main goal.
jordan holmes
That's our main goal with Knowledge Fight.
unidentified
Yeah.
jorge ramos
Who believe that Latinos and immigrants and refugees shouldn't be here?
That's precisely what I was referring to.
tucker carlson
So it's not the election belonging to those people?
What are you saying?
jorge ramos
It's also their country, but it's not only their country.
dan friesen
So even right there, Ramos is making a really great distinction.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
Which is when he's saying they, that he's talking about is people who don't believe that non-white populations should be accepted into the community.
Right.
And so Tucker, his rebuttal is, so it's not their country?
He's like, no, it's their country, but it's not only their country.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
Which is a nuanced thing.
It's really.
jordan holmes
And I'm sure Tucker Carlson understood it, absorbed that information, synthesized it, and then changed his mind.
dan friesen
You might be wrong.
jordan holmes
I might be wrong.
jorge ramos
We have to understand that this is a multi-controlled, multi-racial country, and we have to live and be tolerant.
That's exactly what I would prefer.
tucker carlson
Well, I definitely agree with you.
I agree with that.
He does.
I don't want to bring this to race.
You did.
jordan holmes
Yes, you do.
tucker carlson
So let me ask you this a theoretical question.
Here, back it up.
alex jones
Back it up 20 seconds if you can, guys, where he says we have to be multicultural, live together, like the Ninth Circuit ruling that you can't wear American flags in public schools because it's upsetting because the Hispanics have been so brainwashed in those schools and we showed them that it's a hurtful symbol.
jordan holmes
Stop it.
dan friesen
Again, he's bringing up the exact same thing twice within this interview.
jordan holmes
If you just lie long enough and loud enough, it becomes the truth.
dan friesen
And the idea that these kids were being bullied and harassed and they were just brainwashed to feel threatened.
alex jones
Right.
dan friesen
It's like, you're a pussy, you victims.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
Which is horrible.
Horrible.
And just factually wrong based on the court case.
alex jones
Yeah.
jordan holmes
You are a dick.
dan friesen
You're a lying dick.
jordan holmes
We're commenting on one racist commenting on another racist being racist towards a reasonable, lovable man.
alex jones
Yeah.
And then the illegal American flags.
Mexico would never put up with that.
Because Mexico at least has nationalism.
At least gets that there's some sovereignty and solidarity in the people in that.
So you can pull up the articles.
You can pull up the Ninth Circuit ruling.
The same ones that say, you know, we can't control our borders.
Say that was the same red flags.
dan friesen
I did pull up that ruling, and I read it, and you're lying.
Alex, don't tell people to pull things up.
Don't do that.
That's really against your self-interest.
You need to not encourage people to look into stuff.
It's really, really dangerous.
jordan holmes
Stop it.
Don't give advice to Alex.
dan friesen
No, if you want to keep lying like this consistently, you need people to not look into facts.
jordan holmes
But we've already talked about this.
The best way to keep people from looking into it is to tell them to look into it.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
Because you're confirming.
You're like, it doesn't matter what you look at.
I know I'm right.
dan friesen
So you don't even need to have confidence.
And people are like, oh, yeah.
It's much like what Eddie Bravo said on the last episode.
jordan holmes
It's probably true.
dan friesen
I don't need to do the research.
jordan holmes
It's probably true.
alex jones
This is brainwashing.
This is intolerance.
Political correctness is beating up Trump supporters all over the country and calling for the president's death.
You're intolerant.
You're bullies.
jordan holmes
That's not political correctness.
dan friesen
No, but also.
jordan holmes
I'm going to go out on a limb here.
dan friesen
The only place that I've specifically heard about Trump's life being in danger is InfoWars.
I've never seen a news article that talks about advocating killing Trump.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
I've only seen dumb tweets possibly that have advocated for killing him.
Alex talks about it every day.
Maybe he's creating a ghost to box.
unidentified
Or he's going to kill Donald Trump.
dan friesen
Man, that would be.
jordan holmes
He is the ultimate Manchurian candidate.
dan friesen
That would be wild stuff.
jordan holmes
That would be the best episode of Knowledge Fight.
We're covering breaking news.
Alex Jones killed the president.
dan friesen
That would be astounding.
jordan holmes
How did it happen?
Crime of passion?
He caught Trump cheating on him with a different radio host.
dan friesen
He's hanging out with Glenn Beck.
jordan holmes
Yep, that's what happened.
dan friesen
That would be such a man.
jordan holmes
What a love triangle.
dan friesen
Oh, my God.
jordan holmes
This is a junior high sex romp.
We're writing here.
dan friesen
Seriously, there's a number of movies and TV shows we've got to write.
Let's fucking get to work.
alex jones
And I'll say this.
It's not, the Hispanics of this nation are not the shock troops of this.
What?
And quite frankly, the Hispanics in this country that are already here, who have come here, on average, work very hard and come from really bad countries and bad backgrounds and have made the most of it.
So let's support them.
Not classic Native Americans.
jordan holmes
Because, of course.
alex jones
And there's a problem, too, with second, third generation immigrants.
They turn into just as big a slob as anybody else.
So the point is, this is a decadence problem that we have.
Do we need to bring in populations?
Whether you're Hispanic, white, or black, we've aborted half our kids.
Absolutely.
dan friesen
That's why we.
jordan holmes
We've aborted half of our kids.
dan friesen
That's why we've got to bring in all these other populations to refuel our people force because we've aborted half of our kids.
jordan holmes
Man, imagine the population growth if we hadn't aborted half of our kids.
dan friesen
It'd be crazy.
jordan holmes
Oh, man, we wouldn't be able to survive.
There'd be so many aborted kids.
dan friesen
Absolutely.
jordan holmes
Wow.
dan friesen
Just a reminder: Alex Jones on his show has said paid for multiple abortions.
Just keep that in mind.
jordan holmes
In case you were wondering whether or not he supports abortion.
dan friesen
Or is a massive hypocrite.
alex jones
But the issue is the third world is being used as a weapon system against the first world to drive down wages.
And that's why the Republican elite and the Democratic elite have wanted to have the biggest immigration history's ever seen of absolutely unwashed masses.
Not checked, not examined, diseases, health problems, you name it, to bankrupt and weigh things down.
They want to blow out Western economies and consolidate control.
That's admitted in Cloward and Piven.
It's admitted in the UN strategies.
And this plan of globalism to flood the first world and implode it so that they can dictate the terms of our surrender must be stopped.
dan friesen
So, yeah, there's that part where you recognized a slight truth and then a wrong conclusion.
jordan holmes
Yeah, he was so close.
dan friesen
But then also, I want to just, he brings up Cloward and Piven a lot.
jordan holmes
I don't know what that is.
dan friesen
A lot of people don't know what it is because it was.
I'll read off exactly what it is.
jordan holmes
It was written by Jeremy Piven.
Yeah, the guy.
He co-wrote it.
dan friesen
The Cloward-Piven strategy is a political strategy outlined in 1966 by American sociologists and political activists Richard Cloward and Francis Fox Piven that called for overloading the U.S. public welfare system in order to precipitate a crisis that would lead to a replacement of the welfare system with a national system of a guaranteed annual income and thus an end to poverty.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
It was not put into effect.
jordan holmes
Can't imagine.
dan friesen
1966, a couple of professors came up with an idea that was: hey, guess what?
A lot of people are entitled to benefits that they aren't taking.
There's a lot of people who are eligible for welfare who aren't taking those benefits.
jordan holmes
Really?
dan friesen
So if we create an awareness campaign of people that you can get all of these things that you're entitled to based on your low income, what it would do is it would end up bogging down shit on a local and state level.
jordan holmes
So much so that the simpler way would just be to give everybody a universal basic income.
dan friesen
Well, the idea is that it would create a crisis that would make the federal government recognize just how many people are living in sub-livable conditions.
unidentified
Right.
jordan holmes
That's a bad strategy.
dan friesen
It is.
And that's why it didn't get put into effect.
jordan holmes
Because it was a bad one.
dan friesen
But also, all it would be doing is advocating for people taking what they are entitled to under the current welfare rules.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
So it isn't.
jordan holmes
Which were changed irrevocably by Bill Goddamn Clinton.
dan friesen
After 1966.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Well, after 1960.
dan friesen
But he uses this.
I mean, again, Cloud and Piven sounds really great as a thing that you don't know what it is.
jordan holmes
It sounds like a law firm that I would definitely hire, that's for sure.
dan friesen
It sounds shady.
It sounds like some mysterious thing.
Like, I said Cloward and Piven.
And if you look into it, it's something that someone came up with in the 60s that isn't in effect.
It's not real.
It didn't get put into effect.
jordan holmes
And nobody actually listened to it.
dan friesen
It's a liberal boogeyman thing.
It's nonsense.
It's absolute nonsense.
And actually, I'll be honest, I think there might be something to it.
jordan holmes
You think so?
dan friesen
Maybe.
jordan holmes
I think the law of unintended consequences would destroy that strategy to the moon.
You're probably not.
I think what would wind up happening is not universal basic income, but the exact opposite and universal fuck you to everybody on welfare.
dan friesen
Yeah, that is what a lot of thinkers have said.
They suggest that what would end up happening is that you would end up with scapegoating and demonization of the poor.
jordan holmes
Yeah, look what happened with health care.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
Do you know who got scapegoated and demonized whenever we started making sure people had health care?
dan friesen
People who need health care.
Yeah.
jordan holmes
We even have a direct example of how that doesn't work.
dan friesen
The end goal of it, though, I think is good in terms of like the heart was in the right place in terms of like, let's create a way to make people recognize how bad it is for people who are living hand to mouth.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
I think that's positive.
The strategy, you're right.
jordan holmes
It's a dumb strategy.
dan friesen
There's a lot of minds in the way.
You know, you're walking through a minefield and you probably couldn't navigate that.
Our culture wouldn't be able to do that.
unidentified
Nope.
jordan holmes
But it would explode.
dan friesen
Much like Agenda 21 is a UN thought sheet that has no enforcement to it as just a set of ideas that is not enforced.
It's voluntary.
And most people, it has no effect on the real world.
unidentified
Nope.
dan friesen
Cloud and Piven is the same thing.
It never was put into place, and it happened nigh on 50 years ago.
jordan holmes
See, that's the problem with all the names that we've come up with.
Look, if you and I co-authored this paper, it would be called Frieza and Holmes.
You would be 100% on board with whatever that paper said.
Cloud and Piven?
No, that's scary.
dan friesen
The Fries and Holmes Act would really hate.
jordan holmes
It would be amazing.
dan friesen
No, what it would have to be is about warming your house.
jordan holmes
God damn it.
I didn't even catch that, you son of a bitch.
dan friesen
It would have to be about kerosene.
unidentified
Too good.
jordan holmes
Too good.
dan friesen
Anyway, he's not done.
jordan holmes
Would we be for lowering?
dan friesen
We want your house to be freezing.
Your homes to be freezing.
alex jones
And George Ramos and others and the Pope Francis can jump up and down with their race-baiting crap.
But they don't open up their mansions and their walled cities for the third world populations.
They tell everybody else, we've got to sit there and pay for it.
And it's wrong.
jordan holmes
That's a legitimate criticism of the Pope.
jorge ramos
That's a legitimate criticism of the country.
We have to understand that this is a multi-controlled, multi-racial country.
And we have to live and be tolerant.
That's exactly what I would prefer.
tucker carlson
Well, I definitely agree with you.
I agree with that.
Now, I don't want to bring this to race.
You did, so I'm going to follow up on that.
But let me ask you this a theoretical question.
What immigration restrictions would you favor in Mexico?
It's already a felony to be there illegally, but what further restrictions in the country of Mexico, the country of your birth, would you favor?
jorge ramos
Mexico is a terrible example for the protection of immigrants.
Mexico treat Central American immigrants in a terrible way.
So I wouldn't put Mexico as an example.
I think countries should be judged by the way they treat the most vulnerable, most example.
alex jones
He doesn't say this on his show.
I'm not saying it's good that Mexico tortures people.
They shoot basically hot sauce up your nose with a little hair shake and Coca-Cola or Sprite.
jordan holmes
Here it comes.
alex jones
And try to find out where the people come in.
You understand Mexico.
Shrink compared to most third world countries.
jordan holmes
Bring it up.
alex jones
Mexico's on the high end.
Guatemala's on the low end.
I mean, Guatemala, I had family that lived there for over a decade.
I mean, kidnapping everywhere.
People shot at the market every day.
You name it.
I mean, I'm not saying Mexico's doing a good thing because I think it is a little too extreme.
But the point is, it's 10 times harsher than the U.S.
So how does Mexico tell us that we can't have a border or any controls when we're one of the most open nations in the world?
jordan holmes
No.
So didn't do it.
alex jones
George, to his credit, has to admit that that's actually a good point.
But then Mexico is a terrible example.
Mexico can't open itself up to Central and South America.
Are you crazy?
Half those countries down there are in total turmoil with people starving on the streets everywhere.
The collapse of civilization.
Most of the animals, the cats and dogs have been eaten.
The zoos have been robbed for the meat.
The elite are basically leaving all those countries.
So there's a brain drain and it's totally collapsing.
And then you want us to be like that too.
Because the globalists want that.
And you're on the big new world order, multinational-owned Univision.
dan friesen
Got to eat those seals.
Got to eat the zoo animals.
jordan holmes
See, I was waiting for him because he kept saying, I'm not saying that's a good thing in the voice of, oh, I think that's a good thing.
dan friesen
You mean like torturing immigrants?
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Well, but he does say, like, I think that it's good, but they're going too far.
He did say that.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
It's soft.
But also, I think I cut out the part where he says this, but he mentions the wall between Mexico and the South.
jordan holmes
Again, that's the one that we've that was just a chain link fence for a block.
dan friesen
No, and it's based on memes.
Again, he just reads the memes.
jordan holmes
Yeah, the meme in where it's actually a wall in Arizona, right?
dan friesen
There's one that's Arizona and then one that's in Israel.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Yeah, it's in the West Bank.
jordan holmes
None, none, none from Mexico.
No, the zero from Mexico.
dan friesen
The southern border of Mexico, there is no wall.
It is lush vegetation.
Yeah.
jordan holmes
One in an apartheid state and the other in the state of apartheid.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So, I mean, like, what are you doing, Alex?
What are you doing?
I don't even know how to respond to anything anymore.
jordan holmes
And, like, what is the gotcha?
Because I think Tucker Tuckle Carlson is trying to pull a gotcha question there, right?
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Like, he's supposed to be like, oh, well, you think Americans shouldn't do this with our border.
What do you think about Mexico and what they're doing?
dan friesen
Yeah, Mr. Inch of Mexico.
jordan holmes
Yeah, and it's really easy to answer that with, like, yeah, I don't like the way Mexico is doing that.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
And yeah, we're starting to do that.
So don't.
dan friesen
And Ramos did that.
That's how he answered that question.
jordan holmes
It's really easy to answer.
dan friesen
But again, it speaks to this whole thing that Alex does not seem to understand.
That is like, first of all, Mexico isn't dictating our policies.
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
But secondarily.
jordan holmes
And they're not even paying for our walls.
dan friesen
No, that's rude.
unidentified
Yeah.
But like the secondary thing.
jordan holmes
You go to a party and you don't bring your own wall and you're just a dick.
dan friesen
It's gauche.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
But the secondary thing is that like just because some other country does it and we haven't stopped them from doing it doesn't mean we're because we don't have the power to stop them from doing it.
Right.
It would be inappropriate.
I mean, we can we look, I'll be very public.
I think it's wrong to shoot hot sauce up people's noses.
jordan holmes
There, I say.
Oh, boy, you're opening yourself up for attack from all angles.
dan friesen
Mostly from the South.
Lower influences.
jordan holmes
From the lower nose area, especially.
dan friesen
But I don't think that it's fair to be like, this country does that, so what about that?
jordan holmes
I think that two things can be bad at the same time.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
It's a logical fallacy.
jordan holmes
And it's not hypocritical to say that Mexico is bad with its border in the same way that we're being bad.
They didn't know that.
That makes no sense.
dan friesen
We can't get off the hook because someone's worse is basically the synthesis of the point.
jordan holmes
Well, that's the thing.
Every time there's a anytime there's feminism talk, the right wing always goes to like, well, it's better than Arabia.
Alex, don't you want to be, you know, if you want to go combat males, go to Arabia.
dan friesen
He did that with J-Lo saying she should go get gang raped in the Sudan.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
No, it can both be bad.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
We should try to not be that bad and then still not be as bad as we are now.
Why can't you, why can't improving be fine?
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Why can't you want to do that?
dan friesen
Because social progress here, when it's not happening everywhere, is pointless.
jordan holmes
That makes perfect sense.
dan friesen
It doesn't.
It's just an attack on the venue.
jordan holmes
That's the video of progress.
Nope.
Everybody has to do it at the same time.
Otherwise, nobody has to do it.
dan friesen
Jordan, I saved the most wacky stuff for last.
We have a couple more clips.
unidentified
All right.
dan friesen
And in this one.
jordan holmes
We're going to get Leanne Wackadoo up in here.
dan friesen
We are in this B.I.I. So I was trying to really put some English on Biach, but I went too far.
Yep.
jordan holmes
Yup.
dan friesen
So this next clip, Alex has been proven right by Vault 7.
The WikiLeaks stuff, your TV is listening to you.
unidentified
It is.
dan friesen
All of this stuff.
He's been proven right.
And again, therefore, you must believe everything else he says.
alex jones
Right.
dan friesen
He takes this opportunity to double down in an incredible way.
jordan holmes
Oh, no.
dan friesen
This clip is just, I've titled this one, it gets worse.
jordan holmes
No.
alex jones
Yo, wow, this isn't really Alex's nightmare vision of things.
This isn't paranoia.
This is, you can go read just the news today, and they're all saying this.
And people are going, wow, wow.
Wow.
Alex Jones told us 18 years ago about the cameras and microphones listening to us.
If all this is going on, we better go look at what he's talking about.
They're like, oh, my God, it's worse than you say.
It's all true.
They admit it.
I'm like, yeah, I told you.
They're putting cancer viruses in the polio vaccine, in the MMR vaccine, in the tetanus vaccines.
They've been caught all over the world doing it, folks.
And the viruses go into your nerves and then wait till a certain replication point in age of the cells.
Some people, it hits earlier than it's supposed to, and it's meant literally to not pay you unemployment or to order retirement money.
unidentified
What?
alex jones
And there's even white papers and patents and how they did it.
And I mean, they gave everybody in Europe, the United States, and then all over the world weaponized cancer viruses, live virus.
And we're all been implanted with termination switches.
jordan holmes
That makes sense.
dan friesen
That's insane.
jordan holmes
That makes sense.
dan friesen
The only documented evidence I can see of this is that between 1955 and 1963, there were some contaminants in the vaccines.
The polio vaccine was to an extent that there's no way to track it was contaminated by some of the byproducts they were using to create the vaccine.
Right.
And it hypothetically could have caused some people to get cancer between 1955 and 1963.
But the problem was recognized and corrected after that point.
unidentified
Oh, wow.
dan friesen
Any other evidence?
jordan holmes
So you're saying that science did that?
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
It worked.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
They did their job.
dan friesen
It was not, from everything I can find, an intentional thing.
It was what medicine was like in the 50s.
alex jones
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
It was not.
jordan holmes
Do you remember when you broke your leg and they took it?
alex jones
Yeah.
jordan holmes
You know, the good old days of medicine.
dan friesen
Yeah, it was a very elementary science compared to what it is now.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
And so they used, in order to create vaccines, you have to use some of the live virus in order to immunity.
jordan holmes
There's a certain amount of that that's true and not true.
Like, what everybody thinks a vaccine is, is like a dead version of the virus.
dan friesen
Yes, your body gets used to attacking that.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah.
You build up your white blood cells do that, the whole thing.
That's not every vaccine.
No, but that's not how all vaccines work.
They don't just like they don't hammer one down and they're like, haha, we got it now.
dan friesen
No, but some of them are.
jordan holmes
Yeah, some of them are like that.
dan friesen
And it's really easy to understand that way.
And that's why people get it in their head that all of them are that way.
And it's not the case.
And also, when you're trying...
jordan holmes
And he doesn't know how viruses work.
But you're not...
They're not smart.
No.
They're not waiting for you to take unemployment.
dan friesen
They don't know.
There's not like some board, like a giant, like, you know, there's a big switchboard.
You see those pictures of like people, like, record producers' rooms.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And in their sound booth, they have just a giant board with a million switches on it.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
And one of them says Jordan Holmes.
jordan holmes
And then boom, cancer.
unidentified
Boom.
jordan holmes
That's why I got that MMR vaccine.
dan friesen
Yeah, exactly.
jordan holmes
So what you're saying is Kanye West in the recording studio might actually flip the wrong switch.
dan friesen
True, he's just trying to get a little reverb that gives you cancer.
jordan holmes
And then accidentally, I get cancer.
dan friesen
Right.
So, but again, this is from this thing that he's talking about hypothetically affected 98 million Americans ending in 1963.
Hypothetically affected them.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
But there's no evidence that it actually did.
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
Not all of those people got cancer.
jordan holmes
They didn't?
dan friesen
No.
But probably some of them did.
And it's unfortunate.
jordan holmes
And it's also possible they would have gotten cancer anyways.
Cancer's crazy.
dan friesen
It's weird.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
But there are a ton of things like this in the course of medicine being a living art and being progressive.
jordan holmes
Well, I mean, even now.
Even now, what's the number one killer in hospitals?
It's infection from being in the hospital.
dan friesen
MRSA virus and shit like that.
jordan holmes
Yeah, you're just in the wrong place.
And there's no way to perfectly decontaminate everything, and not enough doctors wash their hands and all of that shit.
Yes.
But medicine is bullshit.
But this argument.
Now I'm an idiot.
dan friesen
This argument about vaccines having crypto cancer in them that will be triggered at some point when you're stressed out is complete bullshit.
And the only thing that's documented at all that I can find is something from 50 years ago.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
So then, like, a lot of people also.
jordan holmes
Is that even a good strategy to accomplish what it is you're looking to do?
dan friesen
Probably not.
jordan holmes
Which is keep people from unemployment?
Probably not.
I don't think hiding cancer in vaccines is the way to do it.
dan friesen
It would be probably easier just to pass a bill about unemployment.
jordan holmes
We're already pretty much there.
dan friesen
Yeah.
But then the argument we talked about earlier about diabetes, that was based on a discredited study, again, from years and years in the past.
jordan holmes
We got lies.
dan friesen
The autism link to vaccines has been thoroughly debunked.
jordan holmes
We got lies on lies.
dan friesen
The guy who did a study about that had his license stripped away because he did inethical and poorly run studies.
So all this stuff.
jordan holmes
We got lies on lies on lies.
dan friesen
These are a lot of the arguments against vaccines that are full of shit.
And then there are the positive ones that are, again, much like you've already said in this episode: all your friends ain't dying from polio.
jordan holmes
You're not getting polio.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Stop it.
dan friesen
Which used to be a very real thing.
jordan holmes
It used to be all the thing.
It used to be everybody had polio.
dan friesen
Do you know anybody in an iron lung?
jordan holmes
I don't.
dan friesen
Good.
jordan holmes
Oh, I bet it's because they have autism.
They have too much autism.
Anyway, as we all know, autism kills polio.
dan friesen
Right.
There's a one-to-one ratio.
jordan holmes
Do you know any autistic people with polio?
unidentified
I don't.
jordan holmes
See, there we go.
Proves my theory.
dan friesen
Jordan, if you thought this was where this was going to end, you're fucking wrong.
jordan holmes
It makes perfect sense.
dan friesen
It gets worse.
jordan holmes
Oh, boy.
alex jones
And then they can hack and cut and try to stop their own work.
And I've done presentations.
I've made films.
You know, I thought about this morning.
Should I even sit up here and show you all the documents and articles and how by the 70s they knew 100 million plus Americans got cancer and most of them died from SV40 alone.
dan friesen
That's literally what I was just talking about.
The SV40 thing is that ending in 1963, the contaminant of a particular vaccine, the high-end estimate is 98 million people got that vaccine.
So hundreds plus millions is literally impossible.
jordan holmes
But even then, wouldn't you have heard about the hundreds plus million of people who died all very similarly around the same time?
dan friesen
No, I don't know.
But also, I got my information about the vaccine and all this, like the backstory of it from legitimate sources.
alex jones
Yeah.
dan friesen
I got the 98 million total from a crazy right-wing blog.
unidentified
Okay.
jordan holmes
So even though even you artificially inflating the number is still fewer than him artificially inflating an already ridiculous number.
alex jones
Yes.
dan friesen
This number was taken from two blogs that I found.
One of them weaved it expertly into chemtrails.
unidentified
Oh.
dan friesen
So like the idea that hundreds of millions confirmed by the CDC got cancer from the SV40 shit is just, there's no basis for that.
jordan holmes
And even if there was, the CDC would never confirm that shit.
That'd be the worst scandal in history.
dan friesen
Yeah.
alex jones
I'm talking CDC documents.
This is public.
Oh, see, it's a little bit worse than them just watching you.
They're putting cancer viruses in the major vaccines that, just like herpes, go into the nerves and then activate later upon stress.
And they've even tested the viral strains of cancer virus so that they can, again, actuary with computers down to when it's going to kill the average person.
Yes, you've been given a termination switch.
dan friesen
Don't worry, you have to.
alex jones
You like that?
Of course the elite.
Of course the Rockefellers and Coal Springs Harbor that funded Hitler publicly.
Of course they're going to implant you with a time bomb weapon.
Oh, and by the way, they've got treatments and ways to reverse it.
But they're not going to tell you that their family gets that, not yours.
It's up to you to die.
You're supposed to roll over so these inbred, horrible people can inherit the earth.
Well, are you going to do that?
jordan holmes
Probably.
dan friesen
Now, here's what I got to, I got to butt in.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
We can't interrupt what's about to come.
alex jones
Done.
jordan holmes
Done.
dan friesen
You will scream.
Okay.
I guarantee you're going to scream.
alex jones
Fine.
dan friesen
Because where he takes this is fucked up.
alex jones
And, you know, I know I talk about horribly frightening things, and the enemy thinks that you're like them, cowards.
They think, oh, this will just scare people.
They don't, oh, don't worry about Alex Jones.
He's just scaring people.
You know, I wasn't talking to the general public, some of which are cowards.
I was talking to those in the general public that aren't.
But I was talking to the intelligentsia who was one level below all this intel.
You know, you dumb the public down.
You know you brainwash people.
You know you want to manage group.
You know you're not really liberals.
You're cold-blooded social engineers and you're told liberalism is the cover that you do it.
But it's for the greater good to stabilize the planet and reduce population.
But you didn't get a memo not to give your kid the vaccine, though, did you?
No, see, you're meant to die, too.
And by the way, cancer viruses and vaccines is not even on a scale of one to 10, not even a number two.
Cameras and microphones watching and listening to you is not even a 0.1.
jordan holmes
Oh, no.
alex jones
You know, for 50 years they've had clones.
That's now admitted.
You know they've had chimeras for 35.
They admit.
Part human, part animal.
Fuck you.
You name it.
You know that.
See, it just goes on and on, on and on, on and on, on and on and now.
It's all just going to start coming out.
Because, see, they can't hide it now.
They want to just hide it, have a breakaway civilization.
You don't even know about it.
It's in government reservations, corporate reservations.
Now, because it's all come out, they're going to have a debate about it.
And just go, oh, you know, there's just a show about clones.
And next on the news, you know, we've got these clones.
And don't worry, the clones are going to have rights.
That'll be their, oh, robots are going to have rights.
See how this works?
Let me get some other news for you.
Here's the deal.
The big line is ever telling yourself you're part of the power structure when you go along with this.
You're fooling yourself, even if you're a top Rockefeller or a Rothschild or somebody, you know, a J.K. Rawlings as part of the propaganda.
Yep.
jordan holmes
Good thing we got her.
alex jones
You're signing on to The Color Out of Time.
dan friesen
Man, that's an H.P. Lovecraft book.
I love it.
jordan holmes
Oh, boy.
dan friesen
I love that he's dropping references to lesser-known Lovecraft books.
jordan holmes
You know what?
And he just basically described the plot of the island of Dr. Moreau as well.
They've got clones for 50 years.
dan friesen
Chimeras for 25.
jordan holmes
How does he know that chimeras came before clones?
dan friesen
No, no, no, after.
25.
jordan holmes
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Chimeras came after clones.
dan friesen
From his great sources.
jordan holmes
Wouldn't you start with chimeras?
dan friesen
Maybe.
I don't know.
jordan holmes
He wouldn't try and clone a whole human.
dan friesen
If you're watching the video of Alex Jones, when he's talking about how they've had chimeras for 50 years.
jordan holmes
Is he tugging his ear?
dan friesen
Oh, he does.
But yeah, but he flashes up a picture of a National Geographic article.
Human-pig hybrid created in the lab.
Here are the facts.
jordan holmes
Yep.
Do you remember when they did that?
dan friesen
This is an article from January 2017.
jordan holmes
It was not even a zygote.
dan friesen
No, it lasted four months before it died.
And the idea of it here is every 10 minutes, a person is added to the national waiting list for organ transplants.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
And every day, 22 people on that list die without an organ they need.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
dan friesen
What if rather than relying on a generous donor, you could grow a custom organ inside an animal?
jordan holmes
Oh, that'd be cool.
dan friesen
It's not pigs with human consciousness.
It's that part of their organs will grow in a way that we can extract without killing them human organs that can be transplanted to people who are going to die otherwise.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
That's still a weird ethical gray area.
unidentified
It's very weird.
jordan holmes
I would like to know more about that.
dan friesen
It's weird, but it's not what he's talking about.
And it's what they flash up on the screen as evidence that he's right.
The screen that's behind him in the studio is showing this article that I've read and I have in front of me here that is not about chimeras with human intelligence and pig bodies or whatever the fuck he imagines it is.
It is about harvesting organs.
jordan holmes
Also, if they've had it for 25 years.
Oh, nope.
I don't even need to bother with that.
They've been keeping it secret.
Now, National Geographic is allowed to trickle it out because they're getting us used to it using movies with predictive engineering like The Island of Dr. Moreau and Out of Time.
dan friesen
Color Out of Time.
jordan holmes
Color out of Time.
dan friesen
It's a good book.
jordan holmes
Is it a good book?
dan friesen
Yeah, I recommend a lot of Lovecraft.
jordan holmes
Anti-Semite?
dan friesen
Not in that one.
jordan holmes
Not in that one.
dan friesen
He was more anti-black, to be honest.
jordan holmes
Oh, okay.
dan friesen
He wasn't really all that anti-Semitic.
But also, look, I don't want to go off on a Lovecraft jag, but his racism is mostly in his earlier works.
And as he grows, you can really see the strain of that lessening.
jordan holmes
So towards his later career, you could tell that he- He was almost not racist.
alex jones
Yeah.
unidentified
Yes.
jordan holmes
He was getting there.
dan friesen
But again, he's a product of his time.
I don't think it's good that he had some racist beliefs, but I think you can still enjoy a lot of his science fiction without.
But just don't read the case of Arthur Jerman.
Don't read that one because that one's straight racist.
alex jones
Oh, boy.
dan friesen
That one's a guy who finds out that his grandma fucked a monkey.
jordan holmes
Oh, boy, that's racist.
dan friesen
He realizes that.
jordan holmes
We're off to a good start there.
dan friesen
Exactly.
But his later career, much better.
jordan holmes
Anyway, my point is that maybe there's some redemption for Alex later on in life.
dan friesen
I don't think that his trajectory is going the same direction as well.
jordan holmes
He's not on the Lovecraft trajectory.
dan friesen
No, but that is like, okay.
jordan holmes
Which is the name of our scholarly paper, The Lovecraft Trajectory.
dan friesen
Does Alex Jones fit the arc?
Has he passed the Mendoza line?
jordan holmes
Baseball reference.
dan friesen
But like, he's using these things to prop up bad arguments.
And then on top of that, using this idea that he was right about one thing to be evidence that you've got to believe him about other things.
jordan holmes
Well, I mean, the clone thing is obvious.
Obvious.
We've had CRISPR for 50 years.
Everybody knows.
dan friesen
Is it for fruits and vegetables?
jordan holmes
No, CRISPR, the technique they use to combine.
The reason that they can rewrite this genetic code is through CRISPR.
It tears apart DNA and puts it back together in the way that we want it to.
It is like the biggest breakthrough ever in terms of genetic science.
Yeah, that has not been around for 50 years.
That has not been possible for five years.
dan friesen
And it's not being used to make clones.
jordan holmes
It is not being used to make clones.
dan friesen
I think Alex might have gotten a phone call from somebody who told him this.
Or maybe he a DM.
Maybe he got a fucking direct message on Twitter.
jordan holmes
Or maybe his son is an Alex Jones clone.
dan friesen
Again, keep his family out of it.
jordan holmes
But yeah, I mean, I'm just saying that if I were Alex Jones, I would want to, one, adopt a Korean baby.
unidentified
Sure.
jordan holmes
And, two, clone myself for an eventual successor to the InfoWars throne.
dan friesen
Also, let's be clear about throne.
Let's be clear about cloning.
You don't get a second you.
That's not how cloning works.
jordan holmes
Is it full-grown?
dan friesen
No.
jordan holmes
You don't get a full-grown you?
dan friesen
It doesn't work that way.
You create something with identical genetics, essentially.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Which you could.
jordan holmes
Like that cow.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Which is not really all that scary.
jordan holmes
No.
It's like a twin.
You know how twins aren't terrifying, except for in the movie The Shining?
dan friesen
But it wouldn't be a twin because it's younger than you.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Because time progresses.
jordan holmes
Well, I mean, genetically, it's a twin.
dan friesen
Right, right.
jordan holmes
Genetically, it's an identical twin.
dan friesen
And it would not be similar to a human clone that grows up because it would have totally different life experiences.
jordan holmes
Yeah, and we have morphogenesis where our genes turn off and on depending on our environment as well.
dan friesen
But then again, we're talking about something that isn't real.
jordan holmes
It's not real.
dan friesen
But even within his.
jordan holmes
But maybe it's real.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
So anyway, he takes this.
jordan holmes
I want a clone.
dan friesen
It'd be nice.
But anyway, he takes this and he takes it to a really dark place.
jordan holmes
By the way, there is a movie with Andrew Garfield that is about Spider-Man, or shittier Spider-Man, Spider-Man, that is about that very thing where there's a clone farm, basically.
So it's all of these clones at this hospital and their entire life, like it goes through their entire life.
It's a great science fiction story where it's like they're born for organ harvesting these pigs, theoretically.
Yeah, and they have all of these life experiences within that, but their entire life is built around we're eventually going to take your liver.
dan friesen
I can't pay attention to this because I just keep having Farmhouse by Fish running through my head, but with Clone Farm.
jordan holmes
Oregon Farmhouse.
dan friesen
This is a clone farm.
jordan holmes
Welcome to the Oregon Farmhouse.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Anyway, Alex takes this to a fucking dark propaganda place against the globalists.
And I want to be clear: when it gets to the end, it's going to be sickening.
But Alex is smiling.
jordan holmes
Oh, no.
dan friesen
And really, really getting into talking about what he's about to talk about.
jordan holmes
Oh, no.
dan friesen
And it's fucked up.
alex jones
You're signing on to horror.
You're signing on to the most wicked, destructive force in the universe.
dan friesen
Again, he's talking about signing on with the globalists.
jordan holmes
There are more destructive forces in the universe.
dan friesen
Crack.
jordan holmes
I was talking about neutron stars exploding.
dan friesen
Sure, that's a very destructive force.
jordan holmes
Super destructive.
dan friesen
Centripetal force, if you're not prepared, is very dangerous.
alex jones
Because you're scared deep down, and it's real sexy when you just kind of brush up against you from a disagree.
Ooh, what was that?
Let me have some of that.
That might be really powerful.
What's that do?
jordan holmes
Oh, boy.
Bake laugh.
alex jones
But if you'd come face to face with it, you'd never curl up next to it.
But don't worry, God's going to remove more and more of the protection because you've asked for it, and you're going to get to rub up against it.
A little closer.
unidentified
Okay.
alex jones
Just like those kids that get grabbed out of their backyards and get tortured to death, sometimes over a couple years.
All of you that have served this, you have opened the door to everything you want, and you're going to get it.
So make no mistake about that.
Because God is a just God.
Now, it's some of the other news.
I said I cover all the news.
unidentified
I'm not.
alex jones
I'm a bad person.
dan friesen
Isn't that awful?
jordan holmes
That was gross.
dan friesen
That was so gross.
jordan holmes
That was really gross.
dan friesen
And when he's doing that, like, you're going to get it.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Smiling.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's creepy as fuck.
dan friesen
He's relishing in this idea of smiting of people that don't exist, I don't believe.
jordan holmes
Ugh.
dan friesen
And then immediately, let's get to the news.
jordan holmes
Oh, where did, oh.
dan friesen
That's.
That's only.
jordan holmes
All of his tone of voice and all of the things he say were so it's gonna curl up next to you.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah.
You don't want to, you're gonna get a taste of it, but it's gonna be right up next to you.
dan friesen
It's gonna be just like those kids that get taken out of their backyard.
unidentified
Oh, it's gonna have a big, hard of a wicked cock.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
He's disgusting.
dan friesen
Yeah, but then he gets back into his rubber.
jordan holmes
Let me get back into the news.
dan friesen
Ruffling paper foley work manipulative bullshit.
jordan holmes
What a.
dan friesen
Yep.
What a dick.
jordan holmes
That's gross.
dan friesen
Yep.
That brings us to the end of our clips from Thursday because we're not covering the John Rappaport interview.
jordan holmes
Thank God.
dan friesen
You also had an interview with Dave Rudin from the Rudin report, which you also don't need to cover.
That guy is just an asshole.
jordan holmes
The Rudin report.
dan friesen
Yeah, it's so bad.
Anyway, someone on Twitter suggested we cover that interview.
jordan holmes
I don't want to cover it.
dan friesen
You just make so many logical leaps that don't make sense.
It's boring.
It's certainly not as exciting as clones.
jordan holmes
Definitely not.
dan friesen
For 50 years.
jordan holmes
Chimeras for 25?
dan friesen
Clones.
Chimeras.
Race pimps.
Oh, my.
jordan holmes
I want.
See, now I just want a me mixed with a puppy.
Like, I want a chimera me.
Like, I want a clone of me.
And I want it to be mixed with a puppy.
So it's a lot like John Candy and Spaceballs.
That's really I want a mog.
dan friesen
I think for me, you would have to be a cat because I'd be a cat.
I'm a little bit more of a cat personality.
unidentified
Yeah.
Just sort of aloof over it.
jordan holmes
Send us what you'd like to be a Chimera with at knowledge underscore fight on Twitter.
dan friesen
Please hit us up with your Chimera choice, and we'll make it happen.
unidentified
We will split up.
jordan holmes
Well, we've had Chimera technology for 25 years.
dan friesen
We will splice you with an animal for a small donation.
Also, if you want to email us, you can reach us at knowledgefight at gmail.com.
jordan holmes
Yeah, follow us on iTunes, leave a review, all those fun little things.
dan friesen
Absolutely.
We'll be back soon.
But, Jordan, this has been fun.
jordan holmes
This has been a delight.
dan friesen
Absolutely.
jordan holmes
You half man, half-cat lover.
You.
dan friesen
Listen, you race pimp.
I'm nothing if not a policy war.
jordan holmes
Hey, we're just a couple of race pimps.
alex jones
Andy in Kansas, you're on the air.
Thanks for holding.
jordan holmes
Hello, Alex.
unidentified
I'm a first-time caller.
I'm a huge fan.
alex jones
I love your work.
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