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March 13, 2017 - Knowledge Fight
02:16:17
#20: March 6 & Celebrity Cameos

Jordan Holmes and Dan Friesen dismantle Alex Jones’ March 6–10 claims—Flynn’s resignation as Trump’s fault, Obama’s wiretap cover-up, and CIA Vault 7 leaks as proof of kill switches—exposing them as cherry-picked distortions. Jesse James debunks Jones’ elite assassination theories but slips into dog-whistle politics, while Eddie Bravo parrots debunked adrenochrome myths and Sandy Hook denialism, relying on unvetted sources. Jones misquotes the Pope to stoke Islamophobia, proving his pattern of cherry-picking narratives for shock value over truth, ultimately reinforcing how conspiracy theories thrive on deliberate misinformation and intellectual dishonesty. [Automatically generated summary]

Participants
Main
a
alex jones
infowars 18:54
d
dan friesen
01:04:20
j
jordan holmes
45:54
Appearances
e
eddie bravo
01:13
j
jesse james
02:29
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Speaker Time Text
alex jones
Andy and Kansas, you're on the air.
Thanks for holding.
unidentified
Hello, Alex.
I'm a first Tim Collar.
I'm a huge fan.
alex jones
I love your work.
I love you.
dan friesen
Hey, everybody.
Welcome back to the Knowledge Fight.
It's The Knowledge Fight.
jordan holmes
It's the Knowledge Fight now?
dan friesen
Accidentally changed titles of the podcast by misspeaking.
Oh, no.
jordan holmes
Already.
Already off to a blistering start, as is our watch.
As is our want.
dan friesen
They're terrible at the opening.
I'm Dan.
jordan holmes
I'm Jordan.
dan friesen
This is a podcast where we sit down and drink a little bit of wine and discuss Alex Jones.
unidentified
But twist!
dan friesen
This is a chubby checker-level twist.
I watch tons of InfoWars and know a lot about Alex Jones.
jordan holmes
And I don't know a goddamn thing about him.
dan friesen
And that's where we find our fun.
jordan holmes
Guys, so far.
dan friesen
Sorry, we only had one episode last week, but realities of life happen.
And we didn't promise you shit.
jordan holmes
You got very defensive very quickly.
Nobody would have even said anything.
We would have been like, oh, it's a good thing that we're finally getting an episode.
Instead, you're like, fuck you guys.
dan friesen
I think I'm projecting a little bit of anger at myself, not because we didn't get the episode, any episodes out last week, other than Monday, but because I listened to the show, I listened to Alex Jones the entire week for what feels like nothing.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it was a very fruitless quest for you.
dan friesen
That makes me very angry.
That's like if I had played Hours of Zelda and did not end up freeing an elephant.
jordan holmes
Jesus, you are going to keep going about Zelda.
It's a great, I've heard nothing but positive reviews about it.
I don't have any Nintendo, so I don't get to play Breath of the Wild.
dan friesen
That is actually why we didn't record.
jordan holmes
It really is.
It really is, isn't it?
dan friesen
Yeah, because I've been playing too much Zelda.
By the way, guys, it's a great game.
jordan holmes
All right.
dan friesen
But that's not what this is about.
jordan holmes
Stop buzz marketing.
They're not paying us.
dan friesen
This show is not a video game review show.
jordan holmes
That would be a stark pivot, really quick.
dan friesen
Yeah, that would be like Trump being a decent man all of a sudden.
That level of pivot.
Guys, we like to start things off.
We like to get warmed up.
So I have a couple of out-of-context clips of Alex Jones from the area of time we're covering is all of last week, March 6th through 10th.
Right.
But I reserve the right to go back to that time period more specifically later.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
Because the only reason, it's basically Monday through Wednesday is what we're covering.
But we have to go to Friday in order.
Fuck this.
jordan holmes
You are turning this into a very good time.
alex jones
Here's the big enchilada.
jordan holmes
Jesus, now you're interrupting me with clips?
unidentified
Man, Zelda has changed you.
jordan holmes
Anyway.
dan friesen
Sorry about that.
alex jones
Here's the big enchilada.
dan friesen
That's our out-of-context drop.
jordan holmes
That was it.
dan friesen
I've noticed.
jordan holmes
I kept waiting for something.
dan friesen
No, see, here's the thing.
I've noticed that he is now obsessed with the expression, the big enchilada.
jordan holmes
Has he been saying that a lot?
dan friesen
So much.
I could make a massive supercut of the 30 times he says it over a couple days, but I just have a second.
alex jones
That's not even the big enchilada.
Let me give you the big kahuna.
dan friesen
Now it's not even the big enchilada.
alex jones
There's the big kahuna.
jordan holmes
Those aren't related to each other in any way.
dan friesen
They're just both big.
Yeah.
Big kahuna.
jordan holmes
Big enchilada.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Big enchilada is just delicious.
Might order an enchilada from that.
jordan holmes
Have you considered whether or not the big kahuna is also delicious?
dan friesen
I imagine he is.
jordan holmes
You think so?
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
What is the big kahuna?
dan friesen
The big kahuna is like it's a Hawaiian thing.
jordan holmes
That's right.
You lived in Hawaii for a while for a little bit.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
It's just a cool dude, man.
The big kahuna is the guy who's on top.
jordan holmes
It's not like an official title or something like that.
dan friesen
I don't think so.
It's not like King Kamehameha or anything like that.
Or, you know, the Huma Humu Nuku Nuku Apua.
That's the state fish.
jordan holmes
Oh.
dan friesen
I just like saying it.
jordan holmes
I can tell.
dan friesen
Anyway.
jordan holmes
Said it with relish.
dan friesen
So, Jordan.
jordan holmes
All right, let's get to some clips.
dan friesen
We're going to start here on March 6th.
That's Monday, if you're nasty.
And what goes on on this episode is Alex is still in a holding pattern at this point because he is still like all this bad news is coming out about Russia, all of these things.
The news hasn't broken at this point that Flint, General Flynn, has also been an agent for Turkey as well.
jordan holmes
Just making that money.
dan friesen
Retroactively files.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's great.
dan friesen
Yeah, real bad.
But he still has to keep up his side of things.
So this clip is how he decides to start the show off.
And I would say it's ill-advised.
It's very dishonest.
And it also is a good example of victim card playing when that is not appropriate at all.
alex jones
Shut it.
Three weeks ago, when General Flynn resigned, that he was basically told to resign, told that the president ordered him to resign.
He didn't even go in and ask the president.
He just resigned.
dan friesen
He doesn't develop this in this clip, but this is something he talks about all the time.
And he's basically hanging Reince Priebus out to dry.
jordan holmes
I mean, not a bad idea.
dan friesen
No, but that.
jordan holmes
He should be hanging just about everybody out to dry at this point.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Alex's narrative is Reince Priebus likes to go to people and tell them that they need to quit and that the president has told them to quit.
And then they go and talk to Trump and Trump's like, I didn't say that.
jordan holmes
I don't think Trump.
I think the news is that Trump didn't tell Flynn to quit, that Trump told him not to, and it was everybody else around him who was.
dan friesen
You've got to get the fuck out of here.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah.
It was like Pence and those guys being like, hey, Trump, this is fucking insane.
Don't do this anymore.
dan friesen
This is beyond what we can absorb.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
We're testing the limits, and this might be beyond the limits.
dan friesen
That seems like a more likely story than the story of Reince Priebus sneakily going around and trying to trick people into resigning.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
For what end?
To what end?
jordan holmes
I think to become the president.
dan friesen
Reitz Priebus, the Chief of Priest, is going to be a good idea.
jordan holmes
Reince Priebus, president of the 48th president of the United States, inaugurated three months after we've gone through four presidents.
Forced to impeach, yeah.
Yep.
dan friesen
And then somehow we're going to be cool with him.
jordan holmes
I mean, how many presidents in a row do you impeach before you're just like, now we're done with this whole America thing?
dan friesen
Well, here's the good news: impeachments are much easier as they go along.
You get used to it.
It's like committing a burglary.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
The first one is incredibly difficult, but by the time you're on to the fourth impeachment, you got it down.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
You know what you're doing.
You've streamlined the system.
Sure.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
You get him in, get him out.
dan friesen
Yeah, so I think that that's how we get it.
jordan holmes
It did take at least two months to impeach Trump.
We get through Pence in about a week and a half.
Then fucking Paul Ryan.
Paul Ryan's actually just assassinated by Congress.
Like, they just murder him on the floor.
dan friesen
Sure, sure, sure, sure.
jordan holmes
Who's next in line?
The President Po Tempor?
dan friesen
I don't fucking know at that point.
jordan holmes
That would be the oldest ranking Senate member.
So let's just go with the devil.
I'm assuming he's one of them at this point.
dan friesen
Wait, wait, hold on.
jordan holmes
He was elected in Alabama.
We know that.
dan friesen
The next person in the order of succession isn't the oldest person.
jordan holmes
No, the president pro tempor is the oldest.
Traditionally, they give it to the oldest member of the Senate.
dan friesen
Age-oldest or longest tenure.
Age-oldest.
Oh, that's a bad idea.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
Well, that's why that fucking what's this?
Strom Thurmond was the fourth in line to become president for years.
dan friesen
Oh, that makes sense.
jordan holmes
Strom Thurmond.
dan friesen
I always wondered why that was the case.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
It surely wasn't because he was a well-known social justice warrior.
dan friesen
Certainly not.
He's not out there with Rainbow Snatch having fun in the parks.
jordan holmes
Nope, he's hating on the blacks.
dan friesen
So anyway, Flynn.
jordan holmes
Yeah, thank God he's dead, by the way.
dan friesen
Amen.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
So Flynn's got, you know, he got duped by Priebus.
You got Priebused.
jordan holmes
You're going to need to take the short Priebus to get to school from now on.
dan friesen
So then it gets more into how this exact same thing basically happened with Sessions, but didn't.
It's very weird, this narrative.
alex jones
And the word I got Friday before it even came out on Saturday was that President Trump was absolutely infuriated, and it's now in the news, that he had not.
jordan holmes
You don't need to.
Every day.
alex jones
Even 20 years ago.
jordan holmes
Every day, you don't need to furious.
It's in the news every day.
dan friesen
Yeah, it's in the tweets.
It's in the papers.
It's in the white papers.
jordan holmes
If you put it in the newspaper, you're just doing Dog Bites Man all over again.
Trump is always furious.
dan friesen
Trump is mad is taken as red.
jordan holmes
Yeah, exactly.
dan friesen
It's applied across the board.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, every story.
dan friesen
But when you were talking, you went over.
jordan holmes
Yeah, sorry.
I got very frustrated with his lies.
dan friesen
It's very stupid.
jordan holmes
We're off to a great start.
alex jones
You know what?
dan friesen
We can't take weeks off in the future.
unidentified
Our rhythm is slightly off, and I think we can both feel it.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
We're going to get into the groove here.
dan friesen
This white wine is what's doing it.
We always drink red wine or champagne, and I think this white wine is fucking us up.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
Anyway, what he said there was that the reason that Trump was really mad is because Sessions didn't ask him about resigning or recusing himself, which is not the role of the Attorney General.
jordan holmes
Isn't that like, that's bad ethically.
dan friesen
It would be bad.
jordan holmes
It would be very bad if the Attorney General went to the president and was like, hey, this investigation into you, do you want me to recuse myself?
dan friesen
Yeah, that seems incredibly unethical.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
But that's what Alex wants, man.
unidentified
Of course.
dan friesen
So he's mad because he didn't get to consult on it, even though the Attorney General's office and the executive branch, the president, are separate entities.
jordan holmes
Quote.
Unquote.
dan friesen
For now.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Until Trump declares himself also the Attorney General.
dan friesen
At press time, that has not happened.
jordan holmes
But it may.
dan friesen
Who knows?
I mean, we're recording over the weekend, right?
jordan holmes
Monday could bring all kinds of new Trump as dictator for life.
All of these headlines, I can believe.
dan friesen
Yeah, anything is possible except for Alex telling the truth.
alex jones
Ridiculous that the Attorney General, Jeff Sessions, recused himself.
And he was very clear.
He was asked about Russians talking to them as surrogates on the campaign trail.
Of course, he, as the ranking member of the Armed Services Committee of the Senate, spoke with the Russians twice that year.
jordan holmes
Still on that lie.
alex jones
So this is running scared.
And Drudge has the headline, but we've been calling it since day one, Jim Smell blood in the water.
Come, he turns on Trump.
dan friesen
Again, we agree that there's blood in the water.
jordan holmes
There is blood in the water.
alex jones
Now, the most amazing thing about all of this is I went and pulled the reports yesterday and did a special live report at 1 o'clock.
And a lot of you watched it.
We also heard excerpts of it on yesterday's Sunday show.
And I went and pulled up the articles from a month ago when they were all over the news saying wiretaps tracking the Trump organization and tracking phone calls out of Trump Tower recorded General Flynn talking to the Russian ambassador.
They went, oh, it's so dirty.
It's so bad.
When he admittedly was setting up the phone calls.
To the ambassador for a call with the president and Putin.
That's what presidents do.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
Zero of that happened.
dan friesen
Yeah, 100%.
jordan holmes
of that happened and the stuff that not even one of the things that he said I don't even think the word the in that sentence was accurate.
dan friesen
It's a disgrace to the definite article.
jordan holmes
Yeah, exactly.
dan friesen
But it's like the parts of it that are kind of accurate are misrepresented.
jordan holmes
Well, they didn't wiretap Trump.
No.
We already got distracted from getting sessions away by just Trump lying and everybody being like, well, where's the evidence?
Of course there's no goddamn evidence.
dan friesen
Yeah, it's a distraction.
jordan holmes
It's another lie.
dan friesen
Yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
Just ignore it.
dan friesen
Look at this over here.
jordan holmes
Look at this over here.
Yeah.
He's jangling keys in front of the press and they're like, oh, they're shiny.
That's what he's doing.
dan friesen
Yeah, absolutely.
jordan holmes
Everybody's babies now.
dan friesen
Yeah, we all babies up in this.
Let me suck that titty.
We babies.
jordan holmes
All right.
Oh, boy.
That white wine is destroying you.
dan friesen
Oh, my God.
I think where we're getting off track here is that I'm being too playful.
I think this white wine is bringing out an unnecessary playfulness that is out of my knowledge fight character.
jordan holmes
I think you're just really struggling to divorce yourself from the Zelda world.
dan friesen
There is a part of it.
jordan holmes
Like you're still wandering about it in your brain.
Like, oh, look, that's beautiful.
I saved an elephant.
dan friesen
That elephant is really cool.
jordan holmes
All right.
dan friesen
Anyway, yeah, everything is bullshit.
Everything is fake in what he's saying.
He's going to make some other false equivalences about this exact same stuff later.
But one of the things he doesn't understand is what he's talking about, basically.
Which sounds like.
jordan holmes
Alex Jones colon doesn't understand what he's talking about, the movie.
dan friesen
That's the headline.
But he says these things like Flynn was taking calls to set up meetings for Trump to talk to them theoretically about sanctions, but the media twists it and says that they were talking about sanctions.
The reports from intelligence communities have been like, he was straight talking about sanctions.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Well, and even then, the wiretap that they're talking about is loosely, I think their basis for the story is that there was a server that was connected to Trump.
dan friesen
And it connected to the Alpha Bank.
jordan holmes
Yeah, and it connected to the Alpha Bank, and that was 80% of its traffic just going back and forth there.
And every time they're like, oh, he's probably spam email, experts are like, no, it doesn't fucking spam email.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
It's specifically set up to be secret.
jordan holmes
Yeah, exactly.
It's a private server used for illicit business.
dan friesen
Now, what if they have?
jordan holmes
The one reason that we don't have Hillary Clinton as the president is because it took three weeks into Trump's goddamn presidency to find this bullshit.
dan friesen
Jordan, let me speculate something.
jordan holmes
Let's speculate.
dan friesen
What if?
jordan holmes
What if?
dan friesen
They just have really good spam emails.
So that's why he had to set up a separate server connected to them and doing tons of traffic because it's awesome.
jordan holmes
What's a really good spam email?
dan friesen
Spam dank memes.
It's just tons of cool memes that the bank is sending Trump through his personal server.
jordan holmes
That bank that is giving him a lot of money and he's owing and great deals and so on.
Okay, good point.
dan friesen
It's memes.
jordan holmes
Good point.
Sweet memes.
dan friesen
Sweet ass memes.
But yeah, the other thing is that Alex conflates the wiretap stuff with what Trump asserted, and that is that Obama did this.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
And that is not true at all, even in the loosest sense.
unidentified
An insane camp.
dan friesen
Hold on.
But that's why I think right-thinking people are upset.
It's not that people think, like, oh, Trump's lying about being wiretapped.
jordan holmes
We're all just used to that now.
dan friesen
Well, but there is some kernel of people were looking into stuff for good reasons.
Yes, people were.
jordan holmes
The court said it's a good idea.
dan friesen
People were investigating him for shit.
jordan holmes
The shit that he did.
dan friesen
So when he says people were wiretapping me, no one really is saying that that's insane.
I think it's insane and wildly inappropriate that he's like, Obama did it.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
That's the part the people are fucked up.
jordan holmes
But that's pissed about.
That's the thing about that is that they have turned Obama into such a boogeyman that now you can basically to the right, of course, because they're fucking done as human beings.
They're done.
dan friesen
They've checked out.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
You can just say Obama did anything, and they'll be like, Yeah, I believe that shit.
Which leaves because, and of course, Trump would say it because that's the type of thinking Trump has.
Like, in Trump's mind, if somebody was challenging him for the presidency, he would be like, well, of course you wiretap them.
dan friesen
Of course, I will.
jordan holmes
How else are you going to get them?
Yeah.
dan friesen
Absolutely.
jordan holmes
You got to wiretap them.
dan friesen
It's cutthroat business world.
Exactly.
jordan holmes
So to him, it makes perfect sense.
I genuinely think he believes that utter and complete bullshit.
dan friesen
Because he read it on Breitbart.
unidentified
Yeah, well.
dan friesen
Which is another problem that will come up.
But back to the clip.
alex jones
But they were all over the news saying they had the transcript.
The New York Times had it.
Obama.
dan friesen
Again, he's implying that the transcripts are released and they aren't.
jordan holmes
They are not.
alex jones
Last week, before all this latest wiretapping broke, before Trump stood up against it, said they gave it to the New York Times, that they, quote, protected the intelligence so that Trump couldn't get rid of it.
Oh, we committed a crime so Trump couldn't get rid of it.
dan friesen
Here, he's implying that they gave the information to the media to protect it.
And when what actually happened was they disseminated it through government agencies, right?
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Lowered the classification as much as possible so as many people could see it.
dan friesen
And made it so the various intelligence agencies could share information.
Right.
jordan holmes
That was what the executive order that Obama signed the information that proved that Trump was committing treason all over the place.
Our president's a traitor, right?
Have we all just agreed on that yet?
dan friesen
Well, I mean, even if you.
jordan holmes
Which by extension means that the entire GOP Congress is traitors.
Exactly.
dan friesen
But like, if you want to.
jordan holmes
Hang them all.
dan friesen
If you want to take a step back and not say something that inflammatory, you can just take the instance of the Chinese granting.
jordan holmes
The trademark is insane.
Yeah.
That's by definition.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
One sentence of the Constitution says don't do that.
It might as well have been in parentheses Thomas Jefferson in the margin saying, by the way, we can see the future and this is Donald Trump.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
And parentheses.
dan friesen
Yeah, like it's a fucking Simpsons episode.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it is 100% what he did.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
And nobody is fucking all of the Second Amendment bullshit of like, oh, you've got to protect the Constitution goes out the fucking window.
But it's goddamn Trump, the traitor.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
Ooh, I just did our first dirty dossier, I think.
dan friesen
Trump traitor.
jordan holmes
Trump traitor.
dan friesen
Traitor Trump.
jordan holmes
Traitor Trump.
dan friesen
That's where I get my response.
alex jones
Yeah, goddamn it.
jordan holmes
You got there first, you son of a man.
alex jones
And then they have Brennan and Clapper and all the usual suspects on TV on the Sunday shows yesterday.
jordan holmes
Cecio del Toro, Ken Keese, saying Trump's crazy.
alex jones
They use words like preposterous.
They use words like reckless, just bizarre.
That Trump says his transition team was under surveillance, and of course nothing was found.
Where do you think President Trump got that?
dan friesen
Breitbart.
jesse james
Yeah.
unidentified
It's certainly type it in.
alex jones
The House head of the intelligence board committee, Nunes, said we've been reviewing the evidence for a month.
There's nothing there, not even phone calls, until General Flynn is in there supposedly for the president as the national security advisor, lining up his phone calls with world leaders.
Flynn has known to work 18 hours a day.
jordan holmes
Oh, okay.
alex jones
Well, everybody else stands around with their thumbs in their rear ends.
I'm sorry.
dan friesen
I forgive you.
alex jones
This has just become unbelievable.
dan friesen
So, like, this clip looks really bad a week later.
alex jones
Yeah.
dan friesen
It looked bad then, but it looks real bad now.
jordan holmes
You know, the thing that really frustrates me about the whole wiretap bullshit is that Trump, as president, could just declassify the evidence that he was being wiretapped.
dan friesen
100%.
jordan holmes
Instantly.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Which, if there was evidence, that's a total Trump move, right?
unidentified
Sure.
jordan holmes
He just declassifies that somebody's told him, hey, you can declassify this.
These people will be under indictment tomorrow.
dan friesen
It will prove a massive conspiracy against you.
jordan holmes
Yeah, and that's something that you should do.
dan friesen
It would show that the globalists are moving against you.
jordan holmes
And frankly, I would do that if I were Trump.
I would be like, look, there's this massive conspiracy.
dan friesen
Were that true, I would support him doing that.
Exactly.
jordan holmes
It's the only thing that makes sense.
It's almost like if there was some sort of shadowy agency infiltrating the government, we would want to get rid of it.
unidentified
Sure.
jordan holmes
Even if it wasn't from Russia.
dan friesen
Yeah, absolutely.
There was that great question in one of Spicer's press conferences where a lady asked, so if Trump has the proof, why is he asking Congress to investigate this?
Couldn't he just provide the proof?
And there was no answer to that question.
jordan holmes
No, of course not.
dan friesen
Like, I think he's asking that people go through investigate.
Yeah, nothing.
Just scatting.
jordan holmes
Sean Spicer is a weasel of the highest order.
dan friesen
Yeah, that clip from his press conference at the end of the week when he was talking, someone asked him about the jobs report and how Trump in the past had said those were fake.
jordan holmes
They're definitely not fake this time.
Ha ha ha.
We're all lying.
dan friesen
It's the big laugh.
Like, that's terrifying.
jordan holmes
From the press corps, because it's like they're in one big room where everybody knows everybody's lying to each other, and everybody's just like, eh, there's nothing we can do.
And it's almost like a— Although it is kind of funny, like, to actually be—it is pretty funny that he's just caught in a bald-faced lie, and he just doubles down.
dan friesen
It's like, oh, yeah, yeah, of course.
jordan holmes
Yeah, we lied about him last time, but this time we didn't.
It's such a knowing, like, we're fucking you.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
And we're not even bothering to lie about it anymore.
dan friesen
It is out of like almost bad sakami kind of writing.
Yeah.
It's that level of performance.
jordan holmes
He might as well have cackled like a witch.
dan friesen
Yeah.
That would be too on the nose.
He's not the witch type.
He's the bumbling henchman type.
jordan holmes
Fair enough.
dan friesen
But so Alex goes on to cite a study about attention spans and how everyone in the world is stupid and then tells some more lies about General Flynn.
jordan holmes
Do you think he gets distracted halfway through the attention span information?
dan friesen
Maybe three quarters.
All right.
jordan holmes
Well, that's not too bad.
dan friesen
Not too bad because he's not like us.
He's not lemming.
He's not a dumb, dumb piece of shit, low information liberal.
jordan holmes
Oh, God damn it.
I hate it when we are those.
dan friesen
All the time.
alex jones
For those of us that actually pay attention, for those of us that actually know the narrative, the real narrative, and know what really goes on in government and knows what was really said and who have memories.
Remember what Gruber said, John Gruber?
He said, thank God the American people have low attention spans and are so stupid and are low information voters.
Those are quotes.
I don't have a seven-second attention span.
They've got studies out where children now have less of an attention span than goldfish.
jordan holmes
Neither of those things are true.
unidentified
No.
jordan holmes
Goldfish famously have a five-second memory span, except that's a lie.
They don't.
Right.
That's stupid.
dan friesen
Right.
It's sort of junk science a little bit.
jordan holmes
It's made up fantasy world.
dan friesen
But Alex is actually kind of fair in this citing of this.
unidentified
Okay.
dan friesen
The study.
I looked into it, and it turns out that the goldfish, I think it's actually like seven seconds is what they say their attention span is.
No.
But I don't.
Look, who cares?
Okay.
The truth is that they did some studies on children, and the attention span used to be like 12 seconds, and it's gone down to eight since the advent of handheld phones that you can use the internet on, stuff like that.
Technology has made attention spans go down.
Okay.
But the same study cited that a byproduct of this also is that our ability to multitask has gone up dramatically.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
So there is a trade-off kind of that, and it's kind of what you have to do.
When you're being bombarded by obvious bullshit all the time, celebrity culture stuff, lies from Alex Jones, these sorts of things.
You have to not pay attention to things for very long because you're like, okay, no, get that out of here.
Get that out of here.
Move on to the next thing that grabs your attention.
So that is kind of just the neuroflexibility of humans.
In the meantime, because we move on from things really quick, we're able to juggle more balls.
I think that's a fair trade-off in terms of our brains.
jordan holmes
You know, I have no idea whether or not there's a valuable conclusion to draw from any of that.
dan friesen
Certainly not related to the extreme media.
jordan holmes
Yeah, there's no explanation for what's going on there.
dan friesen
Further, I don't think it would be possible that anyone could have planned that, all right, we're going to get these smartphones out and it's going to take 33% or 25% off people's attention spans.
jordan holmes
You mean you don't think anybody could have planned that?
What about somebody in the 12th fucking dimension?
Did you consider that?
dan friesen
I didn't.
jordan holmes
They're outside of time.
dan friesen
That's demons.
You're right.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
They're doing it all simultaneously.
dan friesen
I always forget about the dimensions.
jordan holmes
You've got to remember the dimensions.
unidentified
If their TV has volume, it's hypotenoses.
alex jones
So you have to understand, they're targeting the listeners and viewers of MSM that literally do not believe or remember that a month ago it was on every TV channel, every news channel, every newspaper, everywhere, that they had surveilled Trump and ooh, Flynn lied.
He talked about sanctions with the Russian ambassador.
And then they finally released a transcript in the New York Times, and it was well, I can't talk about those with you, but I'm sure you know the president wants to have a reset, so I'm sure you can bring that up when President Putin and President Trump speak.
That's not discussing sanctions.
Did you discuss the sanctions?
No.
Did you line up a discussion about them?
Absolutely.
See, they play these games.
But in real government, in the military at those levels, and in law, they train everybody to answer exactly as they're asked because they don't want a bunch of obfuscation.
unidentified
Which is why Flynn got into trouble in the first place.
jordan holmes
He answered exactly as he wasn't asked.
dan friesen
No, you mean Sessions.
jordan holmes
Sessions, that's right.
dan friesen
Yeah, yeah.
I mean, that's what he's getting at there at the end there.
Al Franken had this really specific question: Did you or anybody have contact with the Russians?
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Which was not what he asked.
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
We've been over this a hundred times.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
Alex Jones doesn't understand quotes.
He doesn't understand.
jordan holmes
He doesn't understand hand quotes.
Air quotes.
dan friesen
It's so fucking frustrating.
And one of the reasons.
jordan holmes
Auto quotes.
Insurance quotes.
None of it.
dan friesen
One of the reasons I kept this in, even though he just said basically the same thing in our last clip, is because I wanted to illustrate a little bit the repetitiveness.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
And how he just says the same things over and over again that True to your mind if you're not paying attention.
It's just like, oh, yeah, I guess Flynn did get set up.
I guess Sessions was asked a lawyerly question.
And he wasn't.
jordan holmes
Not even close.
dan friesen
Sessions answered a question he wasn't asked and answered it poorly.
jordan holmes
Because he was nervous because he was lying because he is colluding with Russia.
dan friesen
I would be terrified.
jordan holmes
Break down American democracy.
dan friesen
I would be terrified if I was in front of the Senate and I was up to some shit.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
I would say it's a lot of fun.
jordan holmes
Which, again, is another reason to respect Hillary all the more because she lied for like 12 straight hours.
dan friesen
That is endurance that Trump thought she did not have.
jordan holmes
Oh, man.
I don't think any of us thought she had that level of endurance.
And she was fucking stone cold.
dan friesen
Bernghazi.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Great.
dan friesen
Investigate it.
jordan holmes
Oh, servers.
Emails.
dan friesen
Oh, man.
That's so great.
jordan holmes
Although now we're doing the same Obama shit.
It's time to just move on from Hillary.
We just got to let that go.
dan friesen
Totally.
Totally.
jordan holmes
Although, I will say that Hillary did wiretap this podcast.
dan friesen
Absolutely.
jordan holmes
I think we have a lot of evidence that this has occurred.
dan friesen
Hey, if someone is from the NSA or anybody is listening in, could you edit these episodes for me?
I need to play more Zelda.
And quite frankly, it's cutting into my schedule.
jordan holmes
Also, do you guys think we're funny?
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
If you're in the NSA, email knowledgefight at gmail.com.
dan friesen
Do you like us?
jordan holmes
Check yes or no.
dan friesen
Junior high letters to the NSA.
Yeah.
Okay, this next clip.
Alex, this is the first of two instances where he sort of gets into talking to Trump on the phone.
And again, he says a little bit more than he probably should.
But then at the end of this, he gets into, again, his inability to understand nuance and the differences between different kinds of meetings that politicians can have.
It's incredibly embarrassing, but the part about the calls is hot stuff.
alex jones
I'm always speaking to those that may not know their new listeners.
So that's kind of annoying to regular listeners, but we got to keep reaching out to just the new folks that tune in.
You don't have to believe a word I've said here.
You can go back if you don't have a memory and look up where they said that they had all these communications out of Trump Tower.
dan friesen
That's really good advice for the guy in Memento.
If you don't have a memory, go back and check the news.
jordan holmes
God, what a great movie that would be if the internet was around.
dan friesen
Holy shit.
Or yeah, if he had a fucking cell phone.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Just memos instead of tech news.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Come on, man.
Technology helps everybody.
dan friesen
Yeah, they're really lucky they made that movie at a specific time in history.
Great movie, though.
I like it.
alex jones
And it was a bluff.
There wasn't anything there.
It was so thin, it was like vapor.
Okay, yeah, they lined up phone calls for the incoming president with foreign leaders.
He talked to the British prime minister, the Italian president, the German president, hundreds of world leaders.
Hell, when I talked to Trump three days after he was elected president, he said, Alex, you're like number whatever.
I forget the number.
Because I've been talking to world leaders and royalty and business leaders all day, but you're on the list because your listeners are so awesome.
Thank them for their support and this big win, and we're not going to let them down.
Let them know that.
jordan holmes
Oh, I don't know if that's true or not.
It seems plausible based on what we know, and yet at the same time, it seems equally as plausible that he just decided to make that upholder.
dan friesen
Here's the tension: it is plausible.
You're right.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
But then on the other hand, we also know that Alex is a liar.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
So it's like, oh, no.
What do we do?
jordan holmes
The push and pull of reality when listening to Alex Jones.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So what I do is I just toss the ball up in the air.
I just punt on it.
I don't give a shit.
That call may or may not have happened.
It's not as important as what Alex says his response to that is.
jordan holmes
That's true.
dan friesen
So he says that Trump called and he's like, I wanted to call you, call in royalty, but I had to call you because your listeners are awesome.
So there's that.
That's so silly.
It's absurd.
But that here is what Alex's response to that very nice call, I would say.
If it did happen, that's a really nice response.
jordan holmes
That is really nice.
dan friesen
It's misguided as fuck.
jordan holmes
It's a dumb call.
I would have preferred, if it were me and I were a propagandist, I would have preferred a letter with the presidential letterhead, right?
alex jones
Proof.
jordan holmes
Yeah, you could put that on your wall.
You tell your grandkids about it.
Whatever they're, you know, have gills and we can all swim in the water.
dan friesen
Swim up at waterfalls.
jordan holmes
Yeah, good times, goddamn you.
dan friesen
So what's great, though, is we're saying that he should send a letter because then there's proof.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
Good news is there's probably proof.
jordan holmes
Oh, shit.
dan friesen
Because I think that call was recorded.
jordan holmes
Oh, shit.
It has to be.
It would have to be.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
It's part of the presidential record.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So unless you're on the phone with Russia, everything is recorded.
jordan holmes
Everything is recorded.
dan friesen
So here's Alex's response.
jordan holmes
Or unless you're deleting typos and fucking Twitter.
dan friesen
Yeah.
What a boof.
alex jones
And I'm like, sir, they are going to come after you.
They're never going to stop.
I know you think you're going to give folks prosperity and do this, but you've got to go after them.
You've got to get on the offense because they're going to come after you.
jordan holmes
He didn't even say, like, how are you doing?
dan friesen
Nope.
Not a thank you.
jordan holmes
Nothing.
dan friesen
But here's the thing.
jordan holmes
They're coming for you, sir.
They're going to eat your bones.
dan friesen
What's great about it is we know he's talking about the globalists.
But what's super fun is because he's clunky with language, it kind of makes it sound like his listeners are going to come for it.
Because of pronoun reference?
jordan holmes
We've got to teach him how to diagram a sentence.
alex jones
I'm not going to get into our private conversation about that, but let's just say the president knew that.
But he's trying to take the ultra high road.
jordan holmes
Yes.
The president.
alex jones
He just wants to turn the economy back on and taking the high road.
Leave Obamacare there for a year and let the Democrats get the blame.
jordan holmes
That's the Trump I know.
alex jones
$5,000 fines and the rest of it, but he doesn't want to hurt small businesses and the average person.
So he's just like a stalwart doing the real deal.
dan friesen
So that's actually just Alex literally verbatim dropping Trump talking points.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Like the idea that he could sit back and watch Obamacare implode, but he doesn't want to do that to people is directly out of Trump's mouth.
jordan holmes
He did say that.
Yeah.
dan friesen
That's just him.
jordan holmes
And the weirdest thing to me listening to this is that I have seen absolutely zero steps towards even pretending to make the middle class's life better.
None.
No small businesses are improved.
No nothing.
There's zero positive things that he's done for the very people Alex Jones is insisting are the only people he cares about.
dan friesen
If you listen to Alex, he does cite ad nauseum that the stock market is going up.
jordan holmes
That doesn't help middle class or poor people, fuck all.
dan friesen
No, his argument is it does, not because you don't have stocks, but all those stocks are businesses that are able to employ people.
If the stock market goes up, those businesses are doing better.
That helps the common man through a trickle-down kind of system.
It's not rough, but then he's also, I'm sorry.
jordan holmes
Every time somebody says trickle-down, I just start, I have a stroke.
Like I start barking.
I just see flames.
dan friesen
I don't think that's the last time you're going to bark in this episode.
jordan holmes
My dad has told me about trickle-down economics since I was six, and he's been dumb the entire ⁇ even when I was six, I was like, won't they just keep the money?
And he was like, shut up, boy.
dan friesen
You know that they would because history.
jordan holmes
You ever hear about it?
dan friesen
Because that's what you would do, probably.
jordan holmes
I know I'd wiretap Obama, that's for damn sure.
dan friesen
Yeah, when I, you know, I've had a couple times like bank errors end up accidentally giving me like 20 extra bucks.
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
dan friesen
I keep that shit.
jordan holmes
Yeah, absolutely.
They don't need it.
I need 20 bucks.
dan friesen
Yeah, so I mean, along those same lines, that's what businesses would do.
But, okay, so the other thing is that he constantly talks about the small business confidence index and stuff like that, and people are more optimistic than ever before.
Oh, really?
I don't know.
I don't know about that.
jordan holmes
I mean, I literally don't know about that.
Yeah, we all live in our own little liberal bubbles, but I'm trying to read all the conservative news that I can, and even they are not optimistic.
dan friesen
Well, that's smart conservative news that's also controlled by the globalists.
jordan holmes
That's true.
dan friesen
That's what you're failing to recognize.
jordan holmes
Is Breitbart really optimistic?
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Super optimistic.
jordan holmes
Wow.
dan friesen
Yeah, super optimistic.
jordan holmes
About what?
Breitbart?
Yeah.
Because they're doing a lot better, I'm assuming.
dan friesen
Our stock is going up.
Yeah.
So anyway, here we go.
Let's get back into this.
We're going to get to the point here where he talks about these meetings that are.
He just doesn't understand the difference between, like we talked about with people having public and private meetings.
He just doesn't understand that at all.
Anyway.
alex jones
Study everything going on.
Morning, noon, and night.
And Trump is so good, so honorable, it makes me sick to my stomach to see him being rejected by so many dumb-down people that aren't even part of the power structure.
jordan holmes
He didn't even know that.
alex jones
He's got a power structure against him, a bunch of abilities doddering weirdos like Schumer and Pelosi and Maxine Waters that don't know what planet they're on.
dan friesen
Again, he only uses those references because he has that clip of them speaking.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Which is petty, stupid.
And it's proof that he doesn't have anything.
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
If he had anything, he wouldn't have to keep going back to Maxine Waters saying Korea instead of Crimea.
jordan holmes
Well, you know, it is one of those things that by repetition, he's created a fixed point.
So he can always go back to that area.
dan friesen
So you're talking about waypoints.
jordan holmes
Yeah, and if he starts.
Oh, boy, are you getting into Zelda again?
dan friesen
No, no.
We talked about this before on the show.
jordan holmes
Oh, did we?
dan friesen
That's the term we used.
jordan holmes
Yes.
But if he does bring in actual evidence that, you know, new stuff, he's got to start that all over again.
dan friesen
He's got to get into the weeds.
Yeah.
jordan holmes
He's got to start all over again, and then that kind of like Pavlovian response of like, yeah, liberals are dumb has to take forever to rebuild itself.
Right.
dan friesen
You're right.
It is shorthand and cheap.
It's really stupid.
Yeah.
Very bad.
jordan holmes
You know, it's hack, but it's effective, clearly.
dan friesen
At this point, I would like to tease what's coming up at the end of this episode.
unidentified
Okay.
dan friesen
We have a return of Eddie Bravo in this episode.
So get excited for that.
alex jones
Yeah.
dan friesen
Anyway, here we go.
jordan holmes
TV.
alex jones
And they're like, we never have met with a Russian ambassador, and there's just photo after photo of Schumer and Pelosi and all of them meeting with him at public dinners and public events and on their schedule meeting with him three, four, five times, depending on who it is, than they did with sessions apiece.
Because that's who you meet with when you're at the top of the Democratic Party or the top of the Republican Party.
That's what goes on.
You meet with the Japanese.
You meet with the Chinese.
You meet with the South Africans.
You meet with the Brazilians.
You meet with the Mexicans.
You meet with any big, strong, rich, powerful country.
People can say, oh, well, Brazil or Mexico aren't powerful.
dan friesen
Yeah, they are.
alex jones
Their people aren't.
Their elites are super rich.
Some of the most powerful in the world.
The point is, is that there's constant meetings going on around the clock, ladies and gentlemen.
dan friesen
Yes, there are.
I don't dispute that at all.
People meet with heads of state in official capacities.
jordan holmes
Do you think that he, I mean, I'm not sure if he understands the difference in a purposeful way or just that he can't understand the difference.
Because to him, it seems like a meeting's a meeting.
And whatever on the record, off the record you're doing, it's still a meeting, so it doesn't matter.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
And that kind of, I mean, if he were to say, you know what, I bet other people have had off-the-record meetings with him before, I would actually be inclined to believe him.
It wouldn't surprise me if Schumer or Pelosi did have off-the-record meetings.
dan friesen
That wouldn't be the craziest thing ever.
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
But the reason he can't say that is because then, fuck, I've got to do some investigative journalism and I can't do it.
unidentified
Well, but he would have to try and actually prove a point.
jordan holmes
And if he did say that, though, then he would be purposefully lying about not knowing the difference between the different types of meetings there.
So if he says, you know, it's illicit that Schumer did these meetings off the record, that also means it's illicit that Flynn did these meetings off the record.
Right.
So he can't do that.
dan friesen
That's a really good point.
jordan holmes
He just painted into that corner there.
He has to not understand those things.
Oh, man.
And even if he did understand it, he has to not understand it in order to protect his guy.
dan friesen
The only way to be safe is being really dumb.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
dan friesen
Oh, shit.
jordan holmes
Ignorance is safety.
dan friesen
Oh, shit.
jordan holmes
Ignorance is avoiding jail talk.
dan friesen
So at this point, I believe, if I'm not mistaken, I think that where we go next is a clip after these Vault 7 has come out.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
The CIA data dump on WikiLeaks.
Right.
And Alex, when this happens, he just becomes a new man.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
Like, you know how when he lost the Google ads.
unidentified
Right.
jordan holmes
Lost his mind screaming.
dan friesen
Nuts.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
He became a totally different person in a petty, money-grubbing kind of way.
Yeah.
jordan holmes
In a televangelist kind of way.
dan friesen
When this Vault 7 stuff comes out, he is like a weight is lifted from his shoulders, and he believes that he's been proven right about everything throughout his entire life.
Everything that he said on air is totally true, and that means that everything he's going to say is going to be true.
And he has proof that he tells the truth.
And he gets into this.
jordan holmes
That's like a cult leader getting the apocalypse right for once.
Like, can you imagine the look on his face?
unidentified
Oh, no.
jordan holmes
Holy shit, this was real?
I was just trying to fuck 12-year-olds.
God damn it.
dan friesen
Yeah, there's a little bit of that.
jordan holmes
That's a pitch for a TV show, isn't it?
The cult leader who's accidentally always right.
dan friesen
Accidental cult leader.
I'm into it.
I'm into it.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
So this clip, Alex tells a little bit of the story of his past.
Ooh.
jordan holmes
I've always wanted to know more about his past.
dan friesen
That's why this is an intriguing clip.
jordan holmes
Other than his interactions with Nazi police officers.
dan friesen
Yeah, that part was not a good chapter.
jordan holmes
Yeah, no.
dan friesen
This chapter is about him as a broadcaster, and I don't think it's true.
I really, really, really don't think it's true.
I can't stress enough I don't think that this is true.
So get ready for that.
You know, bullshit caps on.
alex jones
All right, I think it's time to go ahead and announce some things here on air so that the globalists and their minions understand exactly what they're facing.
Their higher-ups have known this for a long time, but their minions don't know.
dan friesen
Also, I just realized I think we're technically, in his eyes, globalist minions.
I think we are.
jordan holmes
I mean, yeah, I could see I don't like being called a minion.
dan friesen
No.
jordan holmes
I would accept henchmen.
dan friesen
I would like to do voiceover for that movie.
jordan holmes
That would be pretty good.
dan friesen
Yeah, give me in that.
jordan holmes
Give me in that minions for globalist minions.
dan friesen
I just think that because we're his enemy, philosophically and ideologically, we would obviously clearly have to be in the employ of the globalists.
jordan holmes
I think that is the only way.
That's the only conclusion he would draw.
dan friesen
I can't speak for you.
I'm not.
jordan holmes
You're not?
I'm not.
That's the reason that they got me.
I'm here to watch you.
I'm a globalist minion that's keeping an eye on you, making sure you don't go native.
You're the one studying all this shit.
What if it gets to you?
What if you go full-on apocalypse now on us?
dan friesen
Oh, no.
jordan holmes
Do some Colonel Kurt shit.
dan friesen
I can assure you that I've gone this far down the path.
I'm pretty safe.
I don't think there's any turn that's going to happen.
jordan holmes
I'll get a missive out to Soros.
I'll hide it under a bench in a park.
dan friesen
Tell old Georgie boy I say hi.
alex jones
Globalist forces, dysfunctional saboteur types that want to bring this country down, that want to enslave humanity and be social engineers.
You have been undermined for decades, and the patriots inside our government and others have been quietly preparing for your absolute and complete defeat.
Not your overthrow, but your legitimate defeat.
Because you can't overthrow something that's illegitimate.
You're just being removed.
jordan holmes
That's not how words work.
dan friesen
Nope.
jordan holmes
That's not how words work.
alex jones
People are freaking out right now because they know this is the broadcast that told you they have kill switches and remote control in all the airplanes for at least 25 years.
All the modern airplanes.
We're the ones that told you they can remote control your car right off a bridge and gave you the documents.
We're the one that told you over 20 years ago that television sets were watching and listening to you.
We told you they could switch on the microphone in your regular landline, not just your smartphone.
dan friesen
But everyone, like they weren't the only ones saying that George Orwell said that shit.
Yeah, you know.
Granted, he is right that he has been saying a lot of that stuff.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
I think even he's surprised that he was right.
dan friesen
If you take out all of the stuff that he's said that has not come true, that was paranoid bullshit and only cherry-pick these examples.
jordan holmes
Of when being paranoid.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
If you're paranoid about everything, you're going to be right a couple times.
jordan holmes
Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they're not always watching you.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
That kind of thing.
dan friesen
And these instances are things that were public.
Like a lot of these things were public.
It's not that he.
jordan holmes
Describe what things were public.
dan friesen
Well, the fact that people could hack into your computer, see you through your camera.
jordan holmes
Hack into your car, like that whole thing.
dan friesen
Yeah, absolutely.
Those things are things that people who study technology have been aware of and had been warning about.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
That's not like Alex Jones cracked the case or anything like that.
And I don't think he would even say necessarily that he did.
jordan holmes
Bullshit.
dan friesen
Maybe he would.
jordan holmes
He would totally say that he did.
He would say that the tech people only thought about looking for it because he told them, because he had the globalist information.
Typically, the tech people were globalist minions until he woke them with his knowledge.
dan friesen
I red-pilled them.
jordan holmes
Or he might just say that.
dan friesen
So anyway, but this stuff is really hard for us to deal with, I believe, because it is a point where I know you well enough to know that we're in agreement about this.
A lot of that stuff about technology is pretty scary.
jordan holmes
It's very scary.
dan friesen
A lot of the stuff that they can do with technology is really, really scary.
jordan holmes
It's bad.
dan friesen
So when Alex is talking against these things and the ability to hack into computers and stuff like that, philosophically, we agree.
Like, that's bad.
We shouldn't, like, it could be abused terribly.
Yeah.
jordan holmes
By some sort of autocratic president who wants to be a dictator.
dan friesen
Yeah, who has a slipping grip on power and might want to flex.
jordan holmes
Yeah, he might want to maintain that grip on power.
So all of a sudden, we might see that would be really fascinating if all of a sudden we start seeing these leaks on every politician that disagrees with him.
Because there's got to be stuff.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
And it's definitely been recorded.
You could, like, the problem with the, you know, what Snowden revealed about the wide netting that they're doing, where they're just saving all of these communications, is that it doesn't help to stop terrorism.
There's too much noise.
You know, you can't find the signal.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
But it does help if you are looking for something.
You know, you have all this information to go digging through.
dan friesen
It helps as like an investigative tool now.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
dan friesen
Not a preventative tool.
jordan holmes
Yeah, exactly.
So if you want to release some info, like you could ruin anybody's life at any moment.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
If they have a secret, you can put that out there immediately.
They're discredited or whatever it is.
dan friesen
Now, I haven't read all of the new WikiLeaks dump because it's fucking.
jordan holmes
A million pages.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
And there's literally no way Alex could have by the next day on air because he can't read.
He might be illiterate.
alex jones
Yeah.
dan friesen
There's no way he could skim a couple headlines here and there, which seems to be his modus operandi.
But there's no way he could have a nuanced understanding of what's in there, what is actually being revealed.
And he just lies about it.
In the time since then, I've read up on assessments and analysis by people who are information security and these sorts of fields.
And basically, the dump that happened is dangerous because it does illustrate a lot of tools that are at the disposal of the CIA and other intelligence agencies.
alex jones
Yeah.
dan friesen
It does not indicate in any way that these things were used on citizens.
jordan holmes
I mean, no, it doesn't point.
There is no smoking gun.
Right.
But, you know, you get a shiny toy.
You want to play with it.
And even if it's not been used maliciously from a government standpoint, some CIA dude has seen your naked pictures.
alex jones
Right.
jordan holmes
And he has.
It doesn't matter.
They've shared them.
You know it.
I know it.
Dudes are awful.
It's happened.
dan friesen
It's probable.
I have to.
I'll give you that much.
It's likely.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
But it's not what Alex says.
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
He says that it's proof that they killed Michael Hastings by running his car into a tree.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
Which is sketchy.
That's a little bit of a weird instance.
jordan holmes
They're going to need a little bit more than I bet they could.
dan friesen
Right.
He stops just short of saying like the Malaysian planes were instances of this.
He goes so fucking far on this and that everybody's TV is listening to them.
jordan holmes
It's like in that book 1984.
dan friesen
He's taking his paranoid fantasies.
There's a slight confirmation that these tools and these back doors are available to people in intelligence and then using that information as confirmation of his paranoid fantasies that he's been having for years.
But it's not confirmation of that.
jordan holmes
And also they haven't had it for as long as you might think.
dan friesen
Not 25 years.
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Well, they're talking about the back doors and shit that they have in iOS and all of those things.
And those, you know, those haven't been around for that long.
No.
And they won't be around for longer at all, which is the amazing thing.
Like, for all the weird and awful shit WikiLeaks has done, they did this time, like, say, hey, we're not going to just publish all of the ways to get into the iOS and the Android operating systems.
We're going to give it to them first so they can close those holes.
dan friesen
Oh, they did?
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Oh, that's great.
jordan holmes
Yeah, they haven't done it.
They are going to.
Oh, but they're going to wait until Apple and Android closes them.
dan friesen
Okay.
And that's going to be a scary hacker case.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
Well, it already is.
The fact that they have purposefully found these and asked them to stay in there and not reveal them is the most dangerous thing.
Like, yeah, I guess if you're in the government, that helps you in a certain way, but that also means they exist.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
And somebody will find them.
dan friesen
Well, anything that exists.
jordan holmes
And it's there.
dan friesen
Anything that exists like that exists for a reason.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And the only reason for that is to bypass your privacy and security.
Yeah.
So, like, that is again the small point in which we agree with Alex.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
All the rest of it, no.
jordan holmes
And one more time.
unidentified
Why is it that Obama did all that bombing?
jordan holmes
Did they have something on him?
dan friesen
I don't know.
jordan holmes
I want to know.
It seems inconsistent.
I want to know.
dan friesen
Well, apparently.
jordan holmes
Where's my paranoid fantasy at?
dan friesen
Huh?
jordan holmes
How come I don't get one?
dan friesen
I was just reading up that Trump has already dropped more bombs than Obama did in a year.
jordan holmes
Perfect.
dan friesen
Great.
jordan holmes
Love me some America.
dan friesen
So that argument is gone.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
He's already gone golfing more times than Obama did in a year.
jordan holmes
Melania costs us, what, some ridiculous, like $50, like half a million dollars a goddamn day.
dan friesen
Yeah, something like that.
It's like $3 million a week or something like that.
jordan holmes
Every single American is paying for her to hate her husband.
dan friesen
Well, that's the part where we get into fantasy narratives.
We don't know if it's because she hates Trump.
It seems like it.
jordan holmes
I mean, there's no other.
The only other explanation is.
dan friesen
Karen's got to go to school.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah.
No, she hates him.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Anyway.
jordan holmes
And she doesn't want to live in the White House, which I don't, I don't, I don't blame her for that.
dan friesen
Khalou Kalay, what a frabuous day.
I just realized that we still haven't gotten to the point where Alex tells a lie about his history.
unidentified
Ooh.
dan friesen
So we still have that to look forward to.
But I wanted to unpack that WikiLeaks thing a little bit.
And I'm glad that we were able to do it without calling Julian Assange a Russian agent, which we'll get to later.
jordan holmes
Oh, great.
dan friesen
Not today, but later.
unidentified
Good.
alex jones
We told you everything.
And because patriots inside the different agencies were unable to speak out, my show was early adopted, not officially, as a place to dump information.
And so I had NSA whistleblowers, corporate engineer whistleblowers, you name it.
I mean, you've seen for many years the Thomas Drake's, the William Bennys, the technical head of the NSA come on the show.
dan friesen
I don't know what the technical head is.
jordan holmes
Is that true?
dan friesen
What?
jordan holmes
The technical head.
dan friesen
I don't know if he means head of technology or he's technically the head.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I don't think he knows the technical head.
dan friesen
He does have these dudes on who have some pedigree and stuff, but they're also like we're going to get into one of them later, a guy named Steve Pieczenik.
He's a guy who, yeah, he was in the CIA.
He was like a psychiatrist within these organizations.
jordan holmes
Was he one of the torture guys?
dan friesen
I don't know.
But he's crazy.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
He's nuts.
So these people.
So these people who Alex gets on, some of them do have history in the service and what have you, but they've lost it.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Or they never had it, which is even scarier.
dan friesen
It's equally possible.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
But they're not like raving street preacher crazy.
They've got it together enough that they can tell a story.
jordan holmes
Like how didn't Buzz Aldrin insist that there were people on Mars or something like that?
dan friesen
Yeah, there's that pillar that's radiating technology.
jordan holmes
You know, Buzz.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So here we go.
So that's the beginning of his story.
Is that the media?
jordan holmes
He's gotten everything right because the military unofficially decided we know we can trust Alex Jones to disseminate this information because no one's going to see it.
dan friesen
Yeah, that would be like that's what conspiracy theory communities believe about Alex Jones, is that he's being tricked by intelligence agencies.
They give him one correct infer piece of information and four lies, basically.
jordan holmes
So they're just playing a game.
They're playing two truths in a lie with him?
Is that what's happening?
dan friesen
Well, yeah, the end goal is to discredit Alex, essentially, as someone who has the truth.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
Look, it's stupid.
jordan holmes
It is stupid.
dan friesen
It's stupid.
jordan holmes
Dumb people are outdumbing dumb people, is what you just described to me.
dan friesen
More or less.
But it's not as stupid as where the rest of this story about his past goes.
alex jones
Former NSA folks from 20 years ago blowing the whistle as well, like Wayne Madsen.
I mean, there's countless great people out there.
So it's not about us getting credit.
It's about people understanding we've been absolutely on target.
jordan holmes
It's never about them getting credit.
dan friesen
Never.
jordan holmes
I don't think we've ever listened to him.
Just once I want him to be like, hey, give us some credit.
This is pretty good.
dan friesen
He actually does do that a little bit.
He screams about.
Well, I mean, like all of the him being censored stuff.
jordan holmes
Because we just hear every clip, it's like, look, I know we're amazing, but it's not about us.
dan friesen
It's false humility.
jordan holmes
I know I'm right all the time, but I don't want to toot my own horn.
dan friesen
He's big into the false humility game, but then he's also big into the I'm being victimized game, which are very difficult games to play simultaneously.
Because if you play the victim game, it's that I'm awesome and someone else is holding me back.
jordan holmes
But if you're playing the false humility, if you're playing the price is right and Jeopardy at the same time, it's very difficult.
dan friesen
Very hard.
jordan holmes
Because you're going to go over every time.
It's just going to do it.
dan friesen
Yeah, I dare say it's impossible, but somehow Alex pulls off.
jordan holmes
What is $1, Bob?
alex jones
And that's why I was told many years ago that in large divisional groups in the Defense Department, in Defense Intelligence, in the CIA, in the NSA, in the geospatial group, in all of them, they would call people in in entire meeting rooms and say, this guy's young, he's wild, but he's done the research and has the sources.
He's dead on.
This is the voice of America right here.
jordan holmes
Like Johnny Utah?
alex jones
We don't know.
jordan holmes
He just described point break.
dan friesen
So what?
jordan holmes
I think he's wild.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Was Johnny Utah the voice of America then?
jordan holmes
He was my voice.
Or let's maybe go with lethal weapon.
He's Mel Gibson and Lethal Weapon.
dan friesen
But do you get what he's saying?
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
The military would call people into boardrooms and be like, Alex Jones is the shit.
jordan holmes
Yep.
No.
What do you mean?
dan friesen
No.
jordan holmes
What do you mean?
Alex Jones was Johnny Utah.
He played football.
He was a surfer.
You know, there's so much water in Texas to surf.
dan friesen
Sure, absolutely.
jordan holmes
He was an undercover FBI agent, as we all know.
dan friesen
Well, his family is CIA.
jordan holmes
That's true.
His family is CIA.
His dad was a CIA dentist.
Jesus.
dan friesen
Anyway, here we go.
alex jones
We're killing him.
Now he came up with InfoWar, the way to counter it.
Why?
We don't have that website.
We don't know.
This guy's doing it all.
He's reverse engineered it.
This is the guy to listen to.
And I obviously didn't want to tell you that, even though I knew that 15 years ago.
And this morning, some folks I know got calls and they're like, yeah, we got ordered 12 years ago to listen to Alex Jones.
Shield Team 6, you name it.
jordan holmes
Wait.
unidentified
It's because hold the fucking what?
dan friesen
They got ordered to listen to Alex.
It's an awesome thing.
jordan holmes
Also, I think, does he think it's been the same, like SEAL Team 6 is the same guys for the past 12 years?
dan friesen
Yeah, absolutely.
jordan holmes
Like, it's just been the same dude.
Like, we got Dan, and he's just been there the whole time.
dan friesen
Now he's 65.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
But damn, is he good in a pitch?
jordan holmes
Oh, man.
He can fly a goddamn helicopter like a motherfucker.
dan friesen
I don't know how, but he always keeps his feet dry.
Which is important when you're in country.
Yeah, absolutely.
jordan holmes
Who would order somebody to listen to InfoWars?
dan friesen
Now, boys, tighten up.
jordan holmes
You don't even listen to InfoWars that much.
dan friesen
I do.
Oh, that's true.
That's true.
jordan holmes
Well, Soros ordered you to, so there is that.
dan friesen
That's right.
I got my marching orders from old Georgie Boy himself.
Discredit this man.
That's what George Soros sounds like.
Sounds like Palpatine.
His fake laugh's still more convincing than Alex Jones's.
Anyway, he still hasn't gotten to the depths of this fake narrative about his past.
alex jones
Get it.
We resisted.
We stood up.
InfoWars is on target.
And if people want to know some of the conversations I've had with Trump, it's been about that.
It's amazing.
I can't believe the intelligence community loves you so much.
You've been dead on for 20 years.
Wow.
Yeah, I'm just now learning about all this.
dan friesen
So two things.
The intelligence community that Trump hates loves Alex so much, which is bizarre.
jordan holmes
Well, Trump is just surprised by how much they love Alex.
dan friesen
But again, it goes back to this narrative.
There's a split in the intelligence.
jordan holmes
The patriots within the intelligence community.
dan friesen
Bingo.
jordan holmes
They love Alex Jones so much.
But the pencil necks, who, as we know, the chicken necks, sorry about that.
dan friesen
Pencil.
alex jones
Regional.
dan friesen
The chicken necks.
jordan holmes
Regional insult action.
dan friesen
It's a coke soda thing.
jordan holmes
Now, they, with their wooden American flags, just refuse to bow down to President Trump.
dan friesen
Absolutely.
And they do not like Alex.
unidentified
No.
dan friesen
But then the other thing there.
jordan holmes
Even though they were ordered 12 years ago to listen to him.
alex jones
Yeah.
dan friesen
Maybe they didn't.
They're like, this guy's full of shit.
We're in the intelligence community.
We know how to fact-check things.
And this guy is a liar.
But, like, the other thing at the end is that he says that in his phone calls with Trump, he's like, I'm just starting to learn about these things, which undercuts the narrative that he's been in Americana sleeper cell since he was 20.
jordan holmes
Well, he's just starting to learn about the real depths of the globalism.
They were speaking from the same playbook, but Alex was getting the information straight from the NSA for 20 years.
Trump has just been being the good man.
If he got this information, great man.
If he got this information, he would be compromised.
dan friesen
That's a good point.
Also, I don't have a clip of this, but there's a point where Alex goes into this story about getting some classified documents when he was younger.
unidentified
Wait, what?
jordan holmes
Like the never-ending story?
Like, he goes into a library and finds this magical classified book.
dan friesen
As I recall, the way he says he got them was some guy pulled up in a car and gave it to him.
So this guy gives you these documents and he shows it to his dad and he's like, oh, yeah, we got to burn these.
His dad is like, he's like, everyone out, my dad's land.
He's got some great land in Texas.
We just burned them.
Because his dad is like, they're trying to set you up with this classified information.
If you get found with this, you're going to go down.
And so they burned the documents.
jordan holmes
Well, I think that's even a sideshow because the only way to really get rid of those documents is to boil them down into silver fillings.
dan friesen
We all know that.
jordan holmes
We all know this.
How do you get rid of a body?
Turn it into fillings.
Everybody knows this.
dan friesen
Turn it into non-fluoride toothpaste.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
Dentists are the only true serial killers.
dan friesen
But dentists, that's just his cover.
Anyway.
alex jones
People want to know.
Trump's learning about all this right now.
About how they can remote control planes, how they can crash cars, how they can turn on microphones and cameras, all of it.
And people were asking, how did I know this 18, 19 years ago?
It was because there were a lot of engineers in Austin that were very wealthy that had been part of this that saw me on air talking about it and gave me even more intel.
jordan holmes
It's a good thing they were very wealthy.
That way we know we can trust them.
dan friesen
Absolutely.
We love the rich.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Thanks for pointing that out, Alex.
dan friesen
But also, the other idea there, if you really unpack what he's saying, is like, I got in the air and started yelling about crazy bullshit I had no proof of.
jordan holmes
And it turns out it was all right.
dan friesen
Then people gave me proof.
Okay, that's not how this should work.
That's not journalism.
That's just you lucked out.
You hit some sort of lottery.
And again, I don't believe the story.
jordan holmes
Even within the realm of us believing the story, the story is unbelievable.
dan friesen
Yeah, exactly.
Well, more to the point, if it's true, which is not, it's not good.
It doesn't paint him in a good light.
alex jones
I was a crazy dude, yelling.
dan friesen
Someone confirmed my crazy.
jordan holmes
There's no win, no.
dan friesen
But it's so delightful.
Like, as like in a sea that we're in of kind of boring, subdued Alex, this kind of thing is delicious.
It's just such a nice oasis.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
alex jones
And Bill Clinton ordered people to surveil me.
He ordered from our intel people to beat me up to break into my house.
You utterly nasty.
They didn't do that.
jordan holmes
They were chicken necks.
They couldn't beat him.
dan friesen
They weren't real men.
jordan holmes
No, no.
alex jones
The decision was made before Bill Clinton even left.
The military said, we're not doing this to Alex Jones.
So they persecuted me up front and then decided this is a patriot.
What the hell are we doing?
Because they were surveilling me and turned me loose.
So I've been in the jaws of this system by the grace of God.
And it's just the right place, the right time, family background, being from Texas, people knowing I'm for real, that we've been leaders for at least 15, 16 years, hardcore, inside the government, because other people couldn't talk about this stuff.
And they would say, you listen to Alex Jones, and you're ordered to listen to this.
They'd be what?
The conspiracy guy?
And they're like, it's not a conspiracy.
He's dead on.
This is the Intel and the whole program.
Listen to Jones.
He's got it all.
Because I've done the research.
I've read the globalist books.
I'm not that special, folks.
You go read Carol Quigley's books and you go read Bertrand Russell's books and you go read Brzezina Brzezinski's books and you read Galton's books.
Some of the stuff's 170 years old.
Most of it's 60, 70 years old, 30, 40 years old.
It's all there.
I just read all the books.
What's all people act like they're professors?
They act like they're intel analysts.
They act like they're researching.
They're not.
They're just trying to act cool.
I did it.
And I'm not bragging.
jordan holmes
Yes, you are.
I love how he goes immediately from the intelligence community was ordered to listen to me because I'm so right.
I'm the only one who's real.
I'm the greatest broadcaster in history.
I'm not saying this to tell you how great I am.
alex jones
I'm not bragging.
jordan holmes
I'm not bragging.
alex jones
No.
jordan holmes
I would never brag.
dan friesen
False humility.
jordan holmes
I'm just letting you guys know this is, God, the delusions of grandeur within that little clip right there.
That's amazing.
dan friesen
Yeah, it's next level.
jordan holmes
That's incredible.
dan friesen
And we were getting to talking over that clip a tiny bit.
He doesn't say what it is.
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
It's just, it's all in there.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
You haven't read these books.
jordan holmes
What books?
What's in the books?
I've just been reading the globalist books.
Some of them are 140 years old.
Is he then saying that the technology to watch it through your TV is 140 years old?
dan friesen
More or less.
Or at least the plans are.
jordan holmes
12 dimensions.
Okay.
dan friesen
We're back.
jordan holmes
We're back to the 12 dimensions.
You're right.
dan friesen
But then.
jordan holmes
That's like some J.K. Rowling shit where you can just wave your hand with 12 dimensions and everything makes sense again.
dan friesen
Yeah.
We have to also put a really fine point on this, that he is so making the point that he's done the research, he's studied these things, and he's right about everything.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Not to brag, though.
It's by the grace of God that he's right about it.
dan friesen
But more importantly, we've consistently shown that he doesn't know about the things he reads.
Like, that's the theme of this show, essentially, is basically Alex Jones doesn't understand.
jordan holmes
Alex Jones can't read.
Right.
dan friesen
He has no reading comprehension skills.
So for him to sit here and brag about, like, I've read all these books, I don't trust your ability to read those books.
I don't.
jordan holmes
Especially since he read them when he was six.
dan friesen
I don't want to read these books, to be honest.
I don't have the time.
I got a lot of Zelda to play.
So I'm not going to go and read these books.
jordan holmes
That's the new running theme of this podcast.
I guarantee.
I'm sick of debunking Alex.
I got Zelda to play.
dan friesen
I guarantee if I read these books, they wouldn't say what he thinks they say.
I am positive of that.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Anyway, this clip isn't over.
I think he brags a little bit more very humbly.
alex jones
So I told you, big leaks are coming.
Giant leaks are coming.
And I said Trump doesn't want to have to release all this because it can really hurt the country and hurt our intelligence gathering capabilities overseas.
But it's all being done illegally by rogue groups to enslave the country, to blackmail, to have servers acting like they're in Russia, attacking things, which the Intel community knows.
They've got systems above that watch it.
jordan holmes
What?
alex jones
And they know they've been trying to set Trump up with Russians.
And that's all come out in the news.
It's up on Infowars.com right now, Dr. Corsi.
dan friesen
That's not the fluid seven.
alex jones
CIA can stage fake Russian hacking to undermine Trump.
CIA kept Russian cyber attack techniques handy for false flags.
Wait, who did it to Trump?
But the Intel community then looked in Congress at the claims and they were fake.
That's why they kept saying Trump's got a secret server.
Yeah, they were running one right out of a van outside the Trump Tower trying to spoof his IPs, and then they rolled the whole thing up, folks.
dan friesen
No, they didn't.
But they, you know.
jordan holmes
So he's saying that in WikiLeaks, they revealed that the CIA specifically points out that they have the tools to perform false flag Russian operations against Trump.
dan friesen
No.
Well, no, not really.
jordan holmes
I think that's what he said, though, right?
dan friesen
That's what he's trying to say.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
The reality is what they showed is that the CIA does have some Russian origin malware that they have confiscated or found.
jordan holmes
Well, and Russia has some of our 100%.
dan friesen
But the thing is, he then makes the leap to all of this stuff is what was used for the Russian hacking, which is absolutely not true.
Right.
There are good resources that I've found that I don't fully understand, but I understand enough to know that these malware things that are in the WikiLeaks are not the specific ones that are the code that is found in the Russian hacks.
Okay.
They don't match up.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
So the idea that it was a false flag thing proven by these WikiLeaks is 100% not true.
The bigger issue is that Alex, having presented himself as someone who talks to Trump on the phone, drops this little bit where he's like, Trump didn't want to release this stuff, which implies that Trump released it through WikiLeaks.
A little bit.
jordan holmes
Oh, man.
dan friesen
Because the globalists won't leave him alone.
Now, if that's at all true.
jordan holmes
And we do know that Flynn communicated with Gussifer.
dan friesen
Roger Stone.
jordan holmes
Roger Stone did.
That's right.
dan friesen
So Stone.
jordan holmes
Foreknowledge of the WikiLeaks hacks.
dan friesen
Just because we're using the term sort of loosely, I want to make it clear that we don't think WikiLeaks hacked things.
unidentified
No.
dan friesen
There's a separation of.
jordan holmes
They get the information, and there's a very strange power structure there.
The hierarchy there is pretty much.
dan friesen
I just noticed that we were saying WikiLeaks hacks a bit.
And I wanted to make clear.
unidentified
That's true.
dan friesen
We're not saying that.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
They just get it and throw it out there.
So, Stone has connections, knows in advance the DNC hack is coming.
dan friesen
Yes.
jordan holmes
So, we know there's one connection there.
dan friesen
Lies about it and then later admits it.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Because what was his defense there?
That it was just like, well, everybody knew it was coming.
dan friesen
Everybody talks to Gusifer.
jordan holmes
Yeah, and that was his defense, right?
The New York Times talked to him, so that means it's fine if I do.
dan friesen
There was that, and then also, like, oh, it was a benign conversation, that sort of thing.
jordan holmes
What benign conversation can you have?
dan friesen
He went on Alex's.
jordan holmes
You're Roger Stone.
Roger Stone does not have any benign conversation.
dan friesen
No, sir.
jordan holmes
He is either kicking ass shirtless or talking to hackers.
dan friesen
Do you know he has a tattoo of Nixon's face on his back?
jordan holmes
That's not true.
unidentified
It is.
jordan holmes
That's not true.
You can find pictures of him.
dan friesen
No.
jordan holmes
No, I refuse to.
I don't want to live in this world.
Okay.
You just proved that there is no point in any of us continuing.
dan friesen
Nope.
jordan holmes
Wow.
dan friesen
So Roger Stone is a notorious liar and a Republican dirty trickster for like the last 40, 50 years.
So the idea that he is above board is just incredible lunacy.
Anybody who would take him at his word is a fucking idiot.
jordan holmes
But we do know that Alex Jones takes him at his word.
dan friesen
They seem to be best friends.
So the fact that he has these contacts with WikiLeaks and with Gussifer 2.0, it's not benign.
It can't be.
jordan holmes
Of course not.
dan friesen
There's something going on there.
Now, I don't know what it was.
Maybe it was just information digging or something like that.
That's still fucked up.
jordan holmes
People know what it was.
dan friesen
Someone does.
jordan holmes
Someone has to.
Why can't we just get why is it that everything points to one possible conclusion?
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Or it's all a weird system of happenstance.
Like everybody, so it's either there's collusion there or it's like a drawing room farce where everybody's walking into different doors and following, and then they come out of a different door and they look at each other like, I didn't know you were there.
dan friesen
It's like a.
jordan holmes
It's an episode of Three's Company.
dan friesen
Basically, or it's like Murder on the Orient Express.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Everybody kills the guy that none of them knew.
jordan holmes
Yeah, exactly.
dan friesen
Yeah, yeah.
Everybody on this train independently killed this guy.
Okay.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it's clue.
There's multiple endings for this shit.
But some people have to have enough information by this point.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
There's no possible way there isn't enough information to go one way or the other.
dan friesen
I think Roger Stone might be close to getting a real polonium poisoning.
Well, I think he's in danger.
jordan holmes
The ambassador's dying.
Yeah.
Which, even then, they could have just died.
unidentified
Could have.
jordan holmes
That's possible.
dan friesen
They're all connected to the dirty dossier.
jordan holmes
And it's a lot of them.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Very soon and close together.
dan friesen
Eight this year, I think.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
But they were all old people.
unidentified
Exactly.
Not super old, but old enough that it's a reasonable thing.
jordan holmes
Somebody knows, and we don't.
And it's so frustrating.
Every day I wake up angry because it's like, just fucking.
To me, right now, this is like Chinese water torture, where every day there's just another little drip, another drip.
Like, I just want them to blow up the world or leave.
dan friesen
You just wish that the band-aid would get pulled out.
jordan holmes
Yeah, just end it.
Do whatever you.
Nuclear war, fine at this point.
Just so I don't have to listen to your bullshit anymore.
dan friesen
Yeah, the tension needs to be released.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
And I mean, I have faith that it will.
jordan holmes
Do you think so?
dan friesen
I think we're heading towards disclosure.
But people have been saying that about aliens for years.
Anyway, Jordan, it's tough.
jordan holmes
Which, in specific, Alex Jones has said about Trump in the past, right?
dan friesen
Yeah.
Well, he's suggested it.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
He's never outright said Trump will tell us about aliens.
jordan holmes
But he's.
It wasn't the first.
Like they were talking with Rogan, right?
Where he's like, oh, the first thing I would ask is, where are the aliens?
Tell me about the aliens.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Yeah, but I think Alex is more interested and more very overt about he's going to give us immortality technology.
jordan holmes
That's true.
dan friesen
So I don't know about that.
jordan holmes
Alex does want to live forever.
dan friesen
Speaking of Rogan, it's time for us to get to the next one.
jordan holmes
It's time for some Eddie Bravo.
dan friesen
It's time for us to get to the star fuckery portion of the show.
Over this last week, Alex has been going into overdrive in terms of booking guests who are celebrity in nature.
jordan holmes
Anything to distract.
dan friesen
He had some military folk on who were a little bit scary in their commitment to Trump.
jordan holmes
Oh, no.
dan friesen
In a way that felt like it wasn't just because he's the president.
Felt very weird.
But then, beyond that, he's had a string of celebrity guests this week.
He started the week on Wednesday.
He had Eddie Bravo in the studio, which we're going to get into.
And then also, at the end of the week, he'd been teasing this for the entire week.
He had Jesse James, motorcycle impresario and former reality TV star and Nazi.
Wait, what?
jordan holmes
Jesse James is a Nazi?
dan friesen
You don't know about that?
jordan holmes
I did not know about that.
dan friesen
Now, I can't say that he's a Nazi.
jordan holmes
I avoid celebrity everything as much as possible.
dan friesen
I can't say that he's a Nazi, but it doesn't look good.
jordan holmes
He's got some Nazi in him.
dan friesen
He was wearing a Nazi hat and put two fingers over his top lip, indicating sort of like a Hitler mustache.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
And Zeke Heil in a picture that was released in 2014, which is just, could be goofy.
jordan holmes
Uh, isn't that, no, I think I do remember that one because the internet got all, oh boy, we got them now.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
Oh, we're going to be mean to him for a day until we ignore him again.
dan friesen
Now, I can't say that that proves anything because people take dumb pictures all the time.
jordan holmes
People are dumb, especially rich entitled white people.
dan friesen
Now, here's my dumb shit.
Why does he have a Nazi hat?
That's number one.
jordan holmes
Who, why don't you have a Nazi hat?
dan friesen
That's a great question.
Number two, this is my other piece of evidence that I think Jesse James is a Nazi.
His business is called West Coast Choppers.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
And their original logo was very similar to the Nazi Iron Cross.
Almost identical.
unidentified
Oh.
dan friesen
He then, a couple years later, changed his logo, and it was basically the Nazi Eagle.
It's just that bird.
jordan holmes
So he's just cycling through imagery now?
dan friesen
And he calls himself, or he calls that new logo the war bird, which is.
jordan holmes
Oh, I don't like that at all.
dan friesen
No.
It's not proof, but man, it doesn't look good.
jordan holmes
It doesn't look good.
Now.
It's a coincidence.
dan friesen
Another piece of coincidence.
unidentified
Oh, boy.
dan friesen
After he got divorced from Sandra Bullock, he started messing around with this lady named Michelle Bombshell McGee, who is a bit of a Nazi.
jordan holmes
Wait, he was married to Sandra Bullock?
dan friesen
Yeah, that's crazy.
jordan holmes
Is Sandra Bullock a Nazi?
dan friesen
I don't know.
She divorced him and adopted an African-American baby, so I don't know.
Wait, am I just thinking of the plot of the blind side?
jordan holmes
Yeah, I don't know what just happened right there.
What just happened?
dan friesen
I don't know.
So this lady, Michelle McGee, also known as Bombshell, she has a tattoo on her leg on the back of her thighs, WP, which is notorious in circles as white power.
She has claimed that it stands for wet pussy.
jordan holmes
I mean, I'd go with either one of those.
dan friesen
She was quoted as saying Jesse and I had a conversation about it, and he says, That's a new conversation.
He says a lot of his friends have the tattoo.
A wet pussy tattoo?
Or a white power tattoo.
jordan holmes
I mean.
dan friesen
Doesn't look good.
A lot of my friends have white power tattoos.
jordan holmes
Which friends?
dan friesen
I don't know.
Then, another piece of evidence that Michelle Bombshell McGee is a Nazi on Facebook, she's listed Mein Kampf as her favorite book.
jordan holmes
She's a Nazi.
That's a Nazi.
dan friesen
And that does not stand for wet power.
jordan holmes
Yeah, no, that's Mein Kampf.
Although that would be a way better book.
dan friesen
I feel like it's.
jordan holmes
I don't know if he would have sold as many copies at the time, but.
dan friesen
I've read not the entirety of Mein Kampf, but I've read a bit of it.
And if it's your favorite book, it's not for the literature.
It's not a well-written book.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
The only thing to take away from it is hatred of the Jews.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
That's really the only point.
jordan holmes
I've been told in the past to read it, and every time I was like, nah, I don't think there's any reason to.
dan friesen
No.
jordan holmes
I think we're good.
dan friesen
It's much like me going back and reading these globalist books.
We don't have time for that.
jordan holmes
Yeah, no.
Life is almost over now.
Yes.
I'm so glad that now that I know I only have five years left.
dan friesen
Yeah.
When Michelle McGee got a divorce, when she was suing for custody of their children, her ex-husband said that she had child block magnets on the refrigerator that would spell out white power.
jordan holmes
She's a Nazi.
dan friesen
Then.
jordan holmes
Jesse James is a Nazi.
dan friesen
Jesse James also was formerly married to Janine Lundemueller, who's that porn star who was on the cover of the Blink 182 album, Take Off Your Pants and Jacket.
jordan holmes
Right.
Right.
dan friesen
That was that album.
I can't remember their fucking dumbass title names.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
So they got divorced.
And then she got remarried to a guy named Jeremy Aikman, who's a multiple-time felon and an admitted skinhead.
Yep.
Jesse James and Sandra Bullock.
jordan holmes
What a tangled web we weave when at first we Nazi.
dan friesen
Jesse James and Sandra Bullock fought to revoke Linda Mueller's custody of the child that he and Janine had together, citing her marriage to Aikman as evidence of negative environments for children.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
That's a good citation.
dan friesen
So now all of this.
jordan holmes
I don't think she should get custody.
dan friesen
All of these, again, don't dead to rights prove anything.
But if you're hanging around with that many Nazis.
jordan holmes
He's going to look like a Nazi.
dan friesen
It's not good.
jordan holmes
He's a Nazi.
dan friesen
I don't think that necessarily Jesse James is himself an actual Nazi.
But he's not a Nazi.
jordan holmes
Because it is not the 1940s.
dan friesen
He's not a reasonable person, though.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
Because if I were around.
jordan holmes
Did he instead become very reasonable while being on Alex Jones' show?
dan friesen
By comparison, I did not have time to pull this clip.
jordan holmes
Because he didn't do a Nazi salute.
dan friesen
Well, he actually just seems like a kind of chill dude.
unidentified
Oh, okay.
dan friesen
He actually comes off pretty decent in the same way that Eddie Bravo comes off pretty decent, too.
eddie bravo
Right.
dan friesen
But he does do one thing that I think is amazing.
And that is he tells Alex repeatedly to stop being a sore winner, which I think is great.
And it really disrupts Alex's.
jordan holmes
This is the first time Alex has gotten some shit thrown in his face, huh?
dan friesen
At least in the last months of watching this.
jordan holmes
Since we've been around.
dan friesen
And he can't shout him down because he's Jesse James, notorious real man and celebrity.
jordan holmes
And Nazi.
dan friesen
Alex has to kiss his ass.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Because he's a star fucker.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
So it really throws off the interview.
And by the time he does tell Alex to stop being a sore winner, it just, like, Alex can't get his bearings back.
And he ends up just being like, what kind of cars do you got?
It becomes just a.
jordan holmes
Which is what it should have been in the first place, Alex.
You dropped the ball on that one.
dan friesen
Doesn't fit the narrative of the Alex Jones show, though.
So I'm going to play a couple of clips of Jesse James, and then we will get to the real fun, which is the adventures of Eddie Bravo.
But this one, actually, Jesse isn't in.
It's just Alex lying real hard.
alex jones
Ronald Reagan met him and never did this and wrote a letter back saying, I felt like I met the president, not the other way around.
And there's people that have known him 30-plus years, and they knew.
dan friesen
He's talking about Trump.
That didn't happen.
unidentified
What?
dan friesen
That didn't happen.
jordan holmes
Reagan met Trump?
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Reagan met Trump.
jordan holmes
Reagan didn't meet Trump, did he?
alex jones
He did.
dan friesen
Yeah, when Trump was much younger, there's a picture of them shaking hands.
And that quote that I thought I was meeting the president, or that's how I felt, because he had such a powerful presence.
He never said that.
jordan holmes
Never said it.
dan friesen
No.
I did some research on it.
I tracked it down.
Alex is quoting a meme.
jordan holmes
Oh, okay.
I was waiting for you to say Alex was quoting Alex because that seems very much in his move.
dan friesen
He has said this before in the past.
Of course.
It is a thing he keeps bringing up.
But that has no basis in reality.
It just showed up in a meme, and people have just accepted that it's true.
jordan holmes
The same way 3 million undocumented immigrants voted in the last election, that whole thing.
dan friesen
Yeah, absolutely.
So I just love that.
I love when you just see definitive evidence of someone just not doing.
jordan holmes
Whole cloth making shit up.
dan friesen
Not doing the research.
Not understanding what he's reading.
It would take a 20-second Google search to find the origin of that meme.
It's so easy.
The only thing that's strange, and it even surprised you, is that Reagan did meet Trump.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Like, that is weird.
And because it's so weird, and there's a picture of it, that's why someone created this meme out there.
jordan holmes
Yeah, of course.
dan friesen
So this clip is a little bit longer, but I'm going to cut it off in the middle.
jordan holmes
Why wouldn't you instead make the meme about when the Clintons were hanging out with Trump?
And instead, it's like Hillary 20 years ago said, wow, it felt like I met the president.
That would be a good meme.
dan friesen
Yeah, but Reagan's dead.
jordan holmes
Reagan is dead.
dan friesen
So you can lie and he can't rebut it.
jordan holmes
Well, I mean, in his later years, he couldn't rebut it either.
dan friesen
That might have been when he met him.
But also.
jordan holmes
So it might have been true.
dan friesen
Want to say this?
jordan holmes
Mainly because Reagan thought he was meeting FTR.
dan friesen
He can walk again?
jordan holmes
Holy shit.
dan friesen
So I want to point this out.
Last week, Donald Trump did tweet about how Russia has run over America, and he put run over in quotes.
This is incredibly important because that's Alex Jones slang.
He talks about powerful people running over weaker people.
That's specifically Donald Trump using Alex Jones slang.
jordan holmes
I mean, it is in the popular consciousness, though.
I've said, I don't know if I've ever said it, but I know it exists.
I know it's a saying.
dan friesen
It does, but Alex says it all the time.
jordan holmes
And he did use quotes, didn't he?
dan friesen
He did, which is suspicious.
jordan holmes
That is suspicious.
Mainly because Trump doesn't know where quotes go.
No, not at all.
In our history of Trump tweeting, I don't think he's used quotes correctly at all.
dan friesen
Ever.
So let's get back to Jesse James here.
He starts out this clip really dumb and then gets really aggressive about protesters, which I don't approve of.
jesse james
Why would Russian Russia hack our election?
jordan holmes
So many reasons.
alex jones
What?
It's saying you didn't have the initiative to go vote for him, Jesse James.
You're a Russian robot.
dan friesen
So that's stupid.
Alex thinks that the idea is that the Russian hack means that no one voted for Trump.
That's stupid.
That's not what anybody is saying.
unidentified
Nope.
dan friesen
And then Jesse James trying to be like, why would Russia do it?
Like you said, a million reasons.
jordan holmes
So many reasons.
dan friesen
Putin notably hates Hillary Clinton.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
They have a documented history of him really not liking her and her being tough on them in terms of sanctions.
jordan holmes
I mean, who doesn't have reasons to hack the American election?
If I could hack it, I probably would.
dan friesen
I wouldn't.
jordan holmes
It'd be fun.
dan friesen
I know I'd leave a trail.
jordan holmes
Yeah, well, you wouldn't be very good at it.
Neither would I.
dan friesen
I stick to the things I'm good at, like freeing elephants in the land of high rule.
So, anyway, back to this clip.
alex jones
I'm a Russian robot.
jesse james
They're just in denial.
They're just in denial.
You know what?
And I get it all the time, and this is why I don't have anything really to come on here to talk to you about.
It's really that special, I think.
But I like to come on.
alex jones
Oh, come on.
jesse james
No, but I like to come on here just as a voice of the blue-collar Americans.
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Yeah, Jesse James.
He's worth a blue-collar American.
dan friesen
He's worth $100 million.
jordan holmes
Who was once married to Sandra Bullock?
dan friesen
You know, Academy Award winner.
jordan holmes
Blue-collar Americans are.
dan friesen
Went from Sandra Bullock to a Nazi stripper.
What are you doing?
jordan holmes
Hey, we can't yet prove that Sandra Bullock herself is not a Nazi stripper.
That's a fair point.
We haven't got the documents yet.
It may be in the dirty dusty.
dan friesen
Again, I'm going to punt on this investigation.
I don't want any part of it.
But like, yeah.
jordan holmes
That would be the funniest if we broke that Sandra Bullock was a Nazi stripper.
dan friesen
Oh, Jesus.
jordan holmes
That'd be a solid.
That'd be a scoop.
dan friesen
If we start screaming about it, maybe some rich Chicagoan will give us information.
Anyway, like, I get it.
I get what he's saying about being blue-collar.
He works on cars.
He has these outward trappings of appearing blue-collar.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
But he has $100 million.
And it's probably worth way more than that.
jordan holmes
Really?
dan friesen
Yeah.
You know why?
jordan holmes
He has all that money.
dan friesen
West Coast Choppers is incredibly successful.
It's a huge motorcycle company.
And they don't really get into this on the show, but he has NRA-branded shirts and clothing wear that's sold at like Targets and stuff like that.
jordan holmes
What?
dan friesen
Yeah.
So he makes millions of dollars selling NRA clothes.
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
It's super fucked up.
jordan holmes
Why is it that everybody's connected with murder weapons?
dan friesen
I don't know.
unidentified
I don't know.
dan friesen
Maybe because they're Nazis.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Nazis really do know how to do their gun shit.
dan friesen
They also talk about these allegations that he's a Nazi at some point, and he's like, look, I survived a media tornado.
And everyone says all this ugly shit.
It's like, yeah, but that's because there's ugly shit.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Like, if you didn't have a Nazi stripper girlfriend that you were banging around.
jordan holmes
And I don't think that Stripper is a negative part of this at all.
dan friesen
No, not at all.
jordan holmes
That's perfectly fine.
I think we should just cut the stripper part.
dan friesen
But that makes a difference.
jordan holmes
And Nazi girlfriend still is interesting to me.
dan friesen
I think the media narrative.
jordan holmes
I think you can get rid of Stripper and Nazi girlfriend still works on me being interested.
dan friesen
I think the media narrative, though, of going from Sandra Bullock to a stripper is compelling for the media.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
I agree with you.
jordan holmes
We shouldn't be for tabloid journalism bullshit.
dan friesen
We shouldn't be judging.
jordan holmes
But going from Sandra Bullock to Nazi is just as interesting, I feel like.
dan friesen
Literally could be a lateral move.
Our investigation.
jordan holmes
Our investigation is ongoing.
dan friesen
And then, like, all these other connections to Nazis, your iconography being Nazi in origin, like, you can't be mad that people started drawing connections.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
In the same way that, like, this whole thing with Trump being investigated, you can't be mad about that.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
There's a reason to investigate.
jordan holmes
If you have a German last name and your grandfather has a lot of Nazi memorabilia.
dan friesen
Or Jews.
unidentified
Maybe, maybe you have their fillings.
jordan holmes
Maybe he's just really fascinated by World War II memorabilia, or maybe he was a Nazi.
dan friesen
Yeah, and maybe it's worth looking into.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
dan friesen
Because the difference really matters.
jordan holmes
And getting your grandfather up on international court.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Get him into a Nuremberg trial.
unidentified
Take this old man to The Hague.
jesse james
People that think that, you know, because I'm filthy, dirty every day, and because I work, I weld, and I make stuff, and I'm a mechanic, they think I'm an idiot.
alex jones
They're arrogant, and they're arrogant assholes.
jesse james
And that's the way they think about the majority of this country.
alex jones
I agree.
We're on the same page.
Tell the elites who've got a dwindling audience who lie about our president, who's truly delivering like nobody's ever done in our modern history on what he would say he would do.
I mean, it's truly incredible.
It's messianic.
What do you want to say to the people right there in camera four that think because you actually built your own business and made hundreds of millions of dollars doing it, billions total, and gross, that you're an idiot because they're a bunch of do-nothings?
What do you want to say to the so-called elites?
dan friesen
Alex keeps trying to get him to do shoot promos on the blog list.
He keeps trying to be like, What do you want to say to these people?
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
And so he can cut it and put it in the Jesse James is very resistant to it to his credit.
He's just like, Look, we won the election.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Let's he's getting to work and he's going about his business.
Let's just live our lives.
Why do you have to yell at everybody all the time, Alex?
jordan holmes
And I don't think that he's an idiot.
unidentified
No.
jordan holmes
Like, I don't think.
dan friesen
I don't think he's a genius.
jordan holmes
No.
I don't think he's an idiot.
I don't.
Yeah, no.
In the same way, and I know this is a weird equivalence to make.
I think he's a Nazi, but I do think he's a Nazi.
I don't think he's an idiot.
Most Nazis weren't idiots.
Nope.
dan friesen
They pulled off something that horrible.
jordan holmes
I think it's the same way where people think the Kardashians are idiots.
And to me, I mean, maybe that's maybe.
But also, they turned not being able to have skills into the most profitable skill you can have.
dan friesen
Absolutely.
jordan holmes
Like, they did make this whole weird empire.
They're not stupid.
dan friesen
Some of it could come down.
jordan holmes
Or they're just ridiculously lucky.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Some of it could come down to luck, or like a Machiavellian leader, like the mom, like Chris, could be incredibly smart and everyone's going along for the road.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it could be that.
dan friesen
I don't know.
But you're right.
That point is salient in terms of like you can't be an idiot and create something that huge.
jordan holmes
I mean, you can.
dan friesen
It's very hard.
jordan holmes
It's happened before.
dan friesen
Also, it takes an incredibly smart person to play an idiot.
So the fact that they present themselves as dumb is kind of almost an indication that they're not that dumb.
jordan holmes
I think you're getting a little bit too far down the rabbit hole there.
unidentified
I don't know.
jordan holmes
They could just be dumb.
Like George W, you know, he could be this brilliant mastermind, or he could just be a dumb idiot with a great pedigree.
dan friesen
I think he's like Jesse James.
He is probably a high version of the middle.
You know, like, I think that the reason that George W. Bush seems dumb is because we're used to smart, well-spoken, articulate.
jordan holmes
It's our perception of what the traits of a smart person is.
dan friesen
Or of a president.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Which is now completely demolished.
jordan holmes
There's no positive traits to presidents anymore.
dan friesen
He looked dumb in comparison to our image of president, but he wasn't that dumb as a whole.
jordan holmes
No, I think you're probably, I don't know.
dan friesen
And it's the same with Jesse James.
It's like he looks dumb because of images we have in our heads.
jordan holmes
For so many reasons.
He looks dumb for so many reasons, though.
dan friesen
Those tattoos are just helping.
jordan holmes
Not just images we have in our head.
He really cultivates a dumb image.
dan friesen
Yeah, but that also helps him sell shirts for the NRA.
So, I mean, it's anyway.
Who cares?
He's not dumb, though.
alex jones
No, but I mean, listen, I do get stuttering angry.
And I get what you're saying, hey, be cool.
Don't let him get to you.
You're already awake, Jesse.
You've already been through this.
And I'm pissed off that we've got the best numbers in this country in decades and somebody working their ass off for the people.
And every major newspaper I know of says they want to see him assassinated.
I'm not looking for trouble, but it makes me want to get aggressive.
dan friesen
That's not in the papers.
alex jones
No.
dan friesen
That's not in every single newspaper.
Unless Alex is just not aware of any newspapers.
And then that sentence is logically accurate.
I don't think.
jordan holmes
Well, we know he's aware because he has printed out thousands on thousands of articles and read all of their headlines.
dan friesen
Yes, that is true.
So my argument doesn't hold water.
jordan holmes
Nope.
dan friesen
He's just lying about assassination threats.
jordan holmes
Yep.
alex jones
I'm sick of this crap.
This guy's working for me and my family, and I'm getting pissed about this.
jesse james
I'm not pissed about those people.
I think it's funny.
I think it's funny that they've whipped themselves up into a big tizzy over the working-class people working hard and accomplishing.
They all worked hard and voted and got this guy elected.
alex jones
They're losers.
jesse james
And now he's working hard for them.
You know, let them cry.
You know, I'm not.
dan friesen
Hootie and the blowfish.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I was about to point that out.
Oh, boy.
jesse james
He's going to be a sore winner.
There's nothing worse than a sore winner.
alex jones
I agree, but I'm just pointing out they said they had him wiretapped.
jordan holmes
I agree.
Now I'm going to go be a sore winner.
alex jones
He's a liar a month later.
jesse james
That's what these people do.
They lie.
I know, but you know?
alex jones
What do you think happens?
God forbid they do assassinate Trump.
jesse james
Never going to do it, man.
We have the best protection, the best elite, and it's the same thing.
It's a trunk full of ping-pong balls.
The only people...
jordan holmes
What's a trunk full of ping-pong balls?
dan friesen
That's a metaphor he made earlier in the interview.
He's talking about how if you have a trunk full of ping-pong balls, that's not going to add anything to your car.
It's not going to really hurt your car.
It's just nothing.
That doesn't do anything.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
He's saying that, like, people tweeting threats or, like...
jordan holmes
I guess that has a logic to it.
unidentified
It does.
dan friesen
It does.
It's not great.
jordan holmes
It's not a great metaphor.
dan friesen
It's not the best I've ever heard, but it does track.
It makes sense to the point he's trying to make.
But yeah, I like that.
I like his perspective.
Just are like, shrug it off.
These are assholes.
And people who are threatening to assassinate the president or saying he should die, I think a lot of those people are assholes.
jordan holmes
Probably.
dan friesen
Who just want attention or want to be shocking, you know?
And they're not the people who are in positions where they actually could.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
I definitely wouldn't vocalize any of my inner thoughts.
dan friesen
I think you already have.
jordan holmes
No, no, no.
I don't think there's no I doubt it I don't think if you go back through our records, you'll find any incriminating things that I've said.
dan friesen
Smash cut to a clip of you saying Trump should be hung in the streets.
jordan holmes
I'm just, I mean, according to our laws.
I'm not saying we should lawlessly hang him in the streets.
Of course not.
I'm just saying that according to the Constitution and the laws we have, it is well within our legal rights to hang Trump in the middle of the street.
dan friesen
I don't fully disagree, but I also don't agree for safety's sake.
jesse james
People that are coming out on Twitter and saying, like, oh, I think Trump should get killed.
They're only doing that to give themselves a little bit of fame to a little bit of, you know, like, oh, my God, did you.
alex jones
No, I agree, but it's still illegal.
jesse james
Did you see what Billy218 said?
He said he would kill Trump.
Oh, my God.
Well, retweet that.
Oh, my God.
He deleted the tweet.
alex jones
probably someone actually called that yeah but it's like it's meaning Can we see who Billy328 is?
Like our John Doe?
We're not actually blaming Billy 328.
No, but it's just one.
jordan holmes
It's fluff.
jesse james
It doesn't mean anything.
You know what I'm saying?
It's like.
alex jones
Jesse, I 100% agree.
You've coined the term.
The MSM is not the fake stream.
They are the false reality media.
jesse james
Yeah, like you said, you said they're a business.
They're trying to make money.
eddie bravo
But they could do that.
jesse james
Tell them the truth.
If they ran 18 hours of programming every day on all Trump's accomplishments and everything he's done in the first 50 days and all that is that him?
alex jones
I think he said 328.
That's funny.
jesse james
Billy218.
dan friesen
They pulled up an egg Twitter account on their main screen of Billy218.
jordan holmes
That is the best investigative journalism they've done ever so far.
dan friesen
Yeah, and they even got to.
jordan holmes
They immediately found out that if you Google something, it will appear.
dan friesen
But they got the number wrong.
He said Billy328, and they pulled up 218.
So they even fucked up.
jordan holmes
You know what?
You know what?
I'm going to give them a pass.
I think we're going to give them an A for effort there.
They did Google something this time.
dan friesen
B for effort.
jordan holmes
All right, good point.
alex jones
Billy, I'm sure, is great.
Go ahead, sorry.
jesse james
But if they ran a whole show of that, no one would watch it because it's not a train wreck.
alex jones
I'd watch it.
I mean, if it was real data, I mean, all this real data is coming in.
I mean, I get it.
I guess, well, I guess that's what our audience is.
People that actually.
jesse james
That's what happens if you shut your phone off and your computer off to all that stuff.
alex jones
It does drive me crazy.
I'll be in a great mood.
I come in there and look at 100 articles.
I'm going to jump off.
So do you just ignore all this crap?
jesse james
Yeah.
Hey, I was hyper-connected to it before the election, and now that we won, I can sit back and like, you know what?
I know I have my friend working his ass off in the White House for people like me and people that think like me.
And I know it's the first time because there hasn't been a president in there in a long, long time that really cared about the little guy.
alex jones
Jesse James, I totally agree.
That statement was a little bit different.
jesse james
You know, it's a sense of, I don't know, I don't have to worry about it anymore.
dan friesen
Interesting.
jordan holmes
Jesse James just said some straight nonsense, and he sounded like the most brilliant person compared to Alex Jones' rambling rage and like just flecks of spittle coming out of his mouth.
Jesse James sounds like a genius.
dan friesen
He sounds completely reasonable for the most part, but he is using a little bit of like dog whistley shit.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Like the idea that now that Trump's in, we don't have to worry about stuff.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
There are like.
jordan holmes
We don't have to worry about something that rhymes with booze.
dan friesen
It's the first time we've had a president in a really long time that is this way.
jordan holmes
It's not since Woodrow Wilson.
It's not about an anti-semi-president since Woodrow Wilson.
dan friesen
And outwardly anti-semi.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
You're right.
We did have Nixon.
dan friesen
There's no indication that it holds water at all that the presidents haven't cared about poor people or the middle class.
jordan holmes
No, in fact, there's a lot of evidence that, well, I mean, maybe the last president who cared about the poor and the middle class was FDR.
dan friesen
Who cared intensely.
jordan holmes
Well, and then you got LBJ.
Although whether or not he cared is a whole different story.
dan friesen
That's true.
jordan holmes
He's an interesting, he's an interesting case study.
dan friesen
Let's not unpack it.
I apologize.
jordan holmes
But there is one thing I did do, which is look up both Billy328 and Billy218.
dan friesen
Interesting.
Great investigative journalism.
jordan holmes
I googled them so fast.
Didn't take that long at all.
And they were all Twitter eggs.
Of course.
And they were the same thing.
They don't follow anybody, and they have three followers max.
It reminds me of that thing where there was an article about how there are these Russian Twitter bots.
Not necessarily even Russian ones, but there are Twitter bots that are lying dormant that they will eventually use to kind of make certain topics trend and put them into the national consciousness.
And those were such so suspicious in their, oh, these just exist.
Nothing going on there.
dan friesen
Yeah, it's super fucked up.
There's like, I don't remember the exact number, but it was a shockingly high percentage of Twitter's total accounts are fake.
jordan holmes
The Cambridge Analytica guys.
Those guys.
dan friesen
Which we don't want to talk about.
jordan holmes
No, because they'll find us.
If I'm afraid of anybody, it's them at this point.
dan friesen
They know what I'm doing in that Zelda game.
They're all up on it.
jordan holmes
Fucking Zelda.
dan friesen
So now it is time to get to our main man, Eddie Bravo.
jordan holmes
Eddie Bravo.
dan friesen
Eddie comes in and, again, seems like a really good-hearted dude.
Also seems very dumb.
But like he comes in, and I could not help but smile seeing Eddie Bravo in the InfoWar studio.
It's great.
You watch the show every day.
jordan holmes
You're on.
dan friesen
This is amazing.
Good for you, Eddie Bravo.
jordan holmes
You're happy for him for reaching the heights of his potential?
dan friesen
I am.
jordan holmes
I mean, good for him.
dan friesen
But it goes south really fast.
So then they start talking about Pizzagate, and Alex Jones accidentally walks backwards and stumbles straight into an edition of You Busted.
jordan holmes
God damn you.
alex jones
He's a tough guy.
jordan holmes
I told you not to do that.
dan friesen
So they're also, this starts by them talking about Ted Gunderson, who's apparently an FBI guy who may or may not have been poisoned.
jordan holmes
Ted Gunderson?
I wouldn't poison anybody with that name, period.
dan friesen
It's like out of a bad script.
jordan holmes
Oh, did you meet Ted Gunderson?
No, I poisoned him because that name exists.
dan friesen
It's like a name you'd see in a script where we'd be like, we'll come back on this.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, exactly.
We got to get punch-up going on here.
alex jones
Poison.
I'm not allowed to get into it.
They poisoned three other people.
eddie bravo
And he was in the FBI for 27 years.
alex jones
He was the head of California.
eddie bravo
Yes.
And you could.
unidentified
I am the head of California.
dan friesen
Also, I fucking love that.
Like, I'm not allowed to talk about this, but they poisoned three more people.
jordan holmes
Well, he's not allowed to talk about it.
You justified it.
It's classified information.
You 100% just did it.
I mean, you're allowed to say that three more people just got poisoned, but do you know what's crazy?
That's always true.
This is a true statistic.
dan friesen
Three people have been poisoned.
jordan holmes
Every time that Alex Jones says three more people have been poisoned, three more people have been poisoned.
dan friesen
Could be accidental poisonings, overdoses.
jordan holmes
Statistically impossible not to be true.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
But I think a smarter way for Alex to say things would be, I can't get into the details, but, and then say a generalized, broad statement, as opposed to, I can't talk about this, but, and then saying the exact same thing.
jordan holmes
Yeah, but it's more fun if he does it that way.
dan friesen
But it makes him look like an asshole.
jordan holmes
He is an asshole.
dan friesen
Fair point.
eddie bravo
That's a few videos of Ted Gunderson, former FBI chief talking about not only the gigantic pedophile ring that's going on nationally and internationally, but he was talking about the Satanism that's involved as well.
And people think, well, that's the deal.
alex jones
Here's the deal.
eddie bravo
You're crazy for that.
alex jones
Look, a regular gang, whether it's white supremacist or Mexican gang, you got to go rob a liquor store.
You got to hit an old lady in the head with a gun.
You got to shoot somebody.
You got to kill a robble gang member.
Those are rituals.
Earn your bones.
You know, I earned my bones when you were with cheerleaders, you know, from the godfather from Shub.
jordan holmes
Yep.
Again, all you know is movies.
dan friesen
Yes.
jordan holmes
Your knowledge of gangs is all movies or whatever.
dan friesen
And the godfather, Mario Cuzo, right?
Was the name of the guy who wrote that?
He was widely discredited.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
He made all that shit up.
dan friesen
All that shit up.
Yeah.
That stuff is not accurate to gangs or mafia life at all.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
So even Alex Jones' fake source was also lying about.
dan friesen
Which is to be expected.
jordan holmes
It is a fairly levels deep on lies.
dan friesen
But The Godfather is a piece of fiction.
jordan holmes
Yeah, and it's a great one.
dan friesen
But purporting it as reflecting reality is cockamame.
alex jones
Yeah.
dan friesen
It's nonsense.
Anyway, it gets worse.
alex jones
That's not enough.
That's just showing you'll kill somebody and they got dirt on.
You got to hurt kids, and it's not just molest them.
dan friesen
That's going to be an out-of-context.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's a good one.
You've got to hurt kids.
dan friesen
And I'm not just talking about molesting.
So here we go.
Here we go.
alex jones
Highest levels, they kill them.
eddie bravo
And they do something about baby blood, right?
There's something.
alex jones
They terrorize the kid, then they drain their blood off while they pump all their hormones out, and then they drink all the adrenaline and all the essence.
Yeah.
eddie bravo
So.
unidentified
Who builds that machine?
dan friesen
Alex Jones.
jordan holmes
That's a very specific engineering requirement there.
dan friesen
Oh, Alex Jones.
Someone's at the door.
jordan holmes
Don't do it.
You bust it.
Don't.
No.
dan friesen
So, what he's talking about there is something that came across in conspiracy blogs.
That's the only way he could have ever come across this information.
jordan holmes
Okay, so they kill kids.
dan friesen
Yes, but they have to terrorize them and rape them first in order to get their adrenaline levels high.
jordan holmes
You could just do that with, I mean, like, have them run.
alex jones
You could do that.
jordan holmes
Just get a treadmill.
dan friesen
Scary movies?
jordan holmes
Have them run, yeah.
You don't have to terrorize and abuse them.
dan friesen
No.
jordan holmes
They could just, you know, just like, you know, we're going to see who can run a mile the fastest.
Like, that's a really great way of doing it.
Just do that.
So, why am I, why am I giving advice to some random-ass pedophile ring?
alex jones
Right.
dan friesen
Some hypothetical pedophile ring.
jordan holmes
Let's sit down and let's rework this whole plan.
dan friesen
So on the conspiracy boards, this narrative came up to explain Pizzagate and these organizations.
alex jones
Right.
dan friesen
What they do is that they torture and terrorize these kids, then kill them and drink their blood because the adrenaline, as it's called, adrenochrome, will have been released.
unidentified
What?
jordan holmes
What bullshit made-up nonsense word is that?
dan friesen
It is a real thing.
jordan holmes
Adrenochrome?
dan friesen
Adrenochrome.
It is a chemical compound with the molecular formula C9H9NO3.
jordan holmes
Oh, that's right.
Paul Simon wrote a song about it.
Adrenochrome.
dan friesen
It's produced by the oxidation of adrenaline.
The derivative, who cares about the rest of this wacky information about chemistry that we're not going to be able to understand.
jordan holmes
Oxidization of adrenaline.
dan friesen
Adrenochrome is mentioned in the doors of perception by Aldous Huxley as a product of the decomposition of adrenaline that can produce many of the symptoms observed in mescaline intoxication.
Also, author Hunter S. Thompson mentions adrenochrome in his book, Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas.
The adrenochrome scene also appears in the novel's film adaptation.
So basically, it's something that's referenced in fiction a bit by hallucinogen liars.
alex jones
Right.
dan friesen
Hunter S. Thompson, bad journalist.
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
Good writer, bad journalist.
jordan holmes
Great writer.
Terrible journalist.
He made shit up half the time.
dan friesen
So the first thing I want to point out is that this.
jordan holmes
Is there any evidence anybody's ever done adrenochrome?
dan friesen
We're going to get to it.
unidentified
Okay.
dan friesen
So the first thing.
jordan holmes
Why do I even ask?
I know you've got me covered here.
I know you got me covered.
I trust you.
dan friesen
I appreciate your attempt to lead me.
There's a point that I need to make first.
Okay.
There are quote-unquote Pizzagate researchers who just throw whatever they can at the wall and see what sticks.
And one of the things that they came out with was a completely unsubstantiated, unverified, unsourced theory about adrenochrome being what the killing of the kids was all about.
And it was because adrenochrome, if you've never done drugs, you might think that it creates a crazy hallucinogenic euphoric state.
And it sounds like it might.
Because if it's something that you could only get by drinking kids' blood, then it seems like that better be a great hype.
jordan holmes
It better be really good.
dan friesen
Now there's a couple problems.
jordan holmes
Otherwise, you could just like do some Coke.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
Like, that would be fine.
That's still illegal.
dan friesen
That's euphoric.
jordan holmes
That's still illegal.
Like, you could just do a, you don't even have to do a pedophile ring.
Just get pictures of everybody doing Coke.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
That would be fine.
That would accomplish the, that would accomplish the goal.
dan friesen
And then you earn your bones.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
That's all you gotta do.
dan friesen
These theories are widely discredited.
jordan holmes
Oh, I can't imagine.
dan friesen
Even most of the people in the Pizzagate world don't look at this as valid.
jordan holmes
Yeah, because it's dumb.
dan friesen
I'm going to get to why.
First, before we get to why, because this is a real yabusted moment.
jordan holmes
You have a Cheshire grin.
dan friesen
I love that you hate that name for the segment, so that's why I'm going to keep it along.
You bastard.
So when Alex was talking about Pizzagate on the Joe Rogan show, he brought up like vampirism and stuff like that.
He's like, it's a spiritual vampirism.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Now you're literally talking about vampirism.
jordan holmes
That's literal vampirism.
dan friesen
You're talking about vampires.
jordan holmes
Well, vampires drink blood.
These guys are drinking adrenochrome.
dan friesen
Through the blood.
jordan holmes
That's spiritual vampirism.
dan friesen
I don't think that there is a machine that allows you to extract the adrenochrome from blood.
jordan holmes
All right.
So you got the kid.
unidentified
Yeah.
Right.
jordan holmes
You terrorized him.
He's all ripe.
You put them on the machine.
If we're going to entertain this theory, what kind of machine are we talking about?
Is it going to look like an MRI machine?
dan friesen
I'm picturing it being like the clockwork orange chair.
jordan holmes
Okay.
See, I saw the Spanish Inquisition.
They got him on the rack.
Like that whole thing, right?
dan friesen
You're probably more right than me.
It creates more surface area.
jordan holmes
In terms of this completely fictitious nonsense, you're absolutely right.
I am correct.
Yeah.
And then do you slowly drain the blood or do you got to do it fast?
dan friesen
You probably would have to do it fast.
jordan holmes
You'd have to do it fast because then, yeah, exactly.
So now you got all the adrenaline in the blood, which you would not have gotten unless the kid were terrified.
That makes sense.
You couldn't just go in and get their fucking adrenal glands.
eddie bravo
Nope.
jordan holmes
You got to get it from the blood.
dan friesen
Or take an epi shot.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Or something.
jordan holmes
Or just watch the movie Pulp Fiction.
They have adrenaline and fucking.
unidentified
Okay.
dan friesen
Here's the deal.
jordan holmes
But the deal is this is dumb and they made it up and it's fucking.
dan friesen
Adrenaline can be synthesized in other ways than through blood.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
You can get the exact same chemical compounds in different ways.
unidentified
Cheaper.
dan friesen
Much cheaper and you don't have to kill kids.
jordan holmes
You don't even have to kill one kid.
It's not even like we're reducing the number of children killed with chemistry.
No, it's just like getting rid of all the children killing.
dan friesen
So there's a lot of websites where people do trip reports, where they take substances and then they report back on what the experience was like.
jordan holmes
Because thank God for the internet.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
I found a number of them where people took adrenochrome.
And they are universally, this is not a good buzz.
Not that it's a bad buzz, but that if you didn't know that you were taking something, the effects are so mild that you would not really even know that you're tripping on it.
You wouldn't know that you'd taken a substance unless you knew.
You couldn't be dosed with it, I guess is what I'm saying.
jordan holmes
So it's so there's really no high then.
If you couldn't know there was a high if you didn't know you were high.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
Or mild that it could be a flu symptom.
jordan holmes
Yeah, like that's the junior higher smoking oregano, like, oh, I'm so fucked up, man.
Like that whole thing.
dan friesen
Basically, yeah.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
There's a psychosomatic high to it.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's what it sounds like.
dan friesen
So then I looked into it a little bit deeper because I thought, like, well, maybe this guy on this trip report was taking a low dose.
You know, maybe that's a thing where if you take a bunch, it's.
jordan holmes
Maybe he only took a quarter of a kid when you need to take a half.
You know, it's like with edibles.
You got to make sure you get the dosage right, and everyone is different.
dan friesen
And you've got to know who sold you that kid.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Because some people give you.
Some people try to give you.
jordan holmes
You got to research your kid dealer.
dan friesen
Because some kids are really hard to scare.
And that's going to really cut into your time.
You don't want to get one of these brave kids get a bad buzz.
Yeah.
jordan holmes
No, I think it's the opposite.
You want to get a really brave kid because then you'll gain his strength.
I don't know.
dan friesen
My computer crashed and I lost the Word document that I had that had all these calculations.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
But I'll redo it.
I'm just going to be a little bit vague with the numbers because I don't have all the specifics.
I found the amount of adrenochrome your body can produce.
Your maximum level because you can't just create grown man or child.
Child.
jordan holmes
Child.
dan friesen
I think I went with like a 10-year-old as sort of a midline.
jordan holmes
That's a reason.
dan friesen
A midline.
alex jones
Yeah.
dan friesen
The amount that a 10-year-old child could create in their body is like the equivalent of nothing, basically.
So if you were to kill that kid, drain all of his blood and then take the adrenochrome out of it, you would need to kill, I think, 300 kids in order to get enough for that bad buzz that that guy on that trip reported.
jordan holmes
No wonder they needed an entire pizza restaurant.
That's the only thing that makes sense.
You got to get they needed at least two or three Chuck E. Cheeses operating at the same time in order to get that.
Can we just stop and think for just one moment how surreal this entire fucking conversation is right now?
dan friesen
Bizarre.
jordan holmes
This is, I never in my life thought I would get to a point where somebody told me exactly how much adrenochrome you could drain from a child's blood.
That is the weirdest fucking thing.
And this is how crazy the times are right now?
I was listening to you for like 10 minutes going, like, oh, this is interesting.
Let's see how this goes.
We live in an insane world where that's the least crazy thing I've heard today.
dan friesen
Well, that's why it's important that we embrace this craziness and just like let's follow you down the rabbit hole of how much blood.
It's easy to get really horrified and shocked because abuses of children is a real thing and it's horrible.
It's awful that it goes on.
And it would be easy to be like, I don't want, oh, this is awful.
Or succumb to horror when looking at these sort of topics.
The perspective that I'm coming from is they're not drinking these kids' blood.
This isn't happening.
jordan holmes
How is that a question that we would have to answer?
dan friesen
Clearly, Alex Jones is fucking talking about it, so someone believes it.
jordan holmes
That's crazy.
dan friesen
And all these blogs were pitching this as a rationalization for it.
So, I mean, it's not like no one believes it.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right.
dan friesen
But then the idea, the very idea that in order to get a weak, mild, bad buzz, you'd need to kill 300 kids makes this the stupidest fucking thing in the world.
jordan holmes
PowerPoint.
All right.
Globalists have been around, according to Alex, for hundreds of years.
dan friesen
Yes.
jordan holmes
Perhaps they have evolved separately from the human race in order to process adrenochrome at a much more efficient rate than your calculations would suggest.
dan friesen
Now it's game over.
I mean, if you're going to say that, then yeah, okay.
jordan holmes
Yeah, exactly.
dan friesen
Okay.
Now it's Dan Friesen.
unidentified
You bust it.
dan friesen
Now, the difference is that I found science and you're speculating about an alien race.
jordan holmes
You founded creationism just there.
I believe that's what I did.
dan friesen
I think so.
So yeah, Alex is an idiot.
He really does believe that sort of thing.
And the idea of it being a metaphorical psychic vampire thing.
Yeah.
He can't fall.
jordan holmes
There's no hiding behind fakeness.
dan friesen
Can you imagine how hard it would be to drink the blood that's contained in one person, let alone 300?
unidentified
No!
jordan holmes
I can't imagine that.
That's not a thing I can imagine because I don't even know.
I don't want to know how hard it is to just drink a glass of human blood.
dan friesen
I don't think you can.
I think it has like Ipocac type qualities.
I think it's throwing up.
jordan holmes
At the very least, it would bum you out real hard.
dan friesen
Yep.
So that is, you know, great.
Eddie Bravo was able to pull that out of him.
I really appreciate that, even though I think he.
I think.
jordan holmes
Eddie Bravo, stealth hero.
dan friesen
I don't think that Eddie realized how stupid what Alex was saying was because he doesn't call him out on it.
jordan holmes
I don't think Eddie realizes how stupid what he's saying is.
dan friesen
Yeah, he does get to one point where, again, Eddie is going to be a hero.
But here, here we go.
jordan holmes
I love Eddie Bravo as the accidental hero of every one of these things we do.
Anytime Eddie Bravo shows up, he's like Mr. Magoo.
That's what Eddie Bravo is to me.
He's blind, stumbling around, and just makes it through just fine.
dan friesen
Also, little known fact, a little trivia, Eddie Bravo is married to a coat rack.
alex jones
And we're not allowed to give you this on Facebook.
jordan holmes
I was so expecting Nazi stripper, and instead you pulled the right, you got me.
dan friesen
Pulled the Magoo.
jordan holmes
You know what?
I got busted.
alex jones
You busted.
And we're not allowed to give you this on Facebook.
Because this is fake?
No, because we told you 12 years ago they were using cameras on your computer to watch you.
It's because we're on target, folks.
dan friesen
So he had a couple of things that he posted.
jordan holmes
On Target.
dan friesen
He had a couple of things that he posted on Target.
On Facebook that were taken down.
And I'm not sure the details of it.
It could be a false flag things getting erased.
Like he did it to himself.
I don't know.
jordan holmes
That makes as much sense as anything else.
dan friesen
Yeah.
I don't know.
He's using it as a really harsh example of censorship.
And as the details emerge, we'll assess it as is our stated objective.
Once there are more facts.
Right.
Be able to deal with this.
jordan holmes
Once we have a better chemical composition of what he's saying.
dan friesen
But he takes it as like, look, they're saying that they're censoring us because we're liars and fake.
The truth is they're censoring us because we're too right.
unidentified
We're too.
dan friesen
Now he gets back to how he talks to Trump on the phone.
alex jones
You think the president of the United States just calls regular people?
You think.
jordan holmes
Nobody takes calls from Red Hand people at 2 a.m.
alex jones
I mean, I'm not going to.
dan friesen
We have to get back to this because he fucking loses his train of thought so hard.
unidentified
Okay.
alex jones
You think the heads of.
I mean, I'm not going to.
I shouldn't even get involved.
dan friesen
Why couldn't he just have said the heads of state?
Like, that's what he was getting to.
jordan holmes
Because he's not even going to get involved with it.
dan friesen
That's ridiculous.
jordan holmes
He knows the heads of state don't want him to reveal something?
dan friesen
I guess.
jordan holmes
I don't know.
dan friesen
It's ridiculous.
It's absolutely ridiculous, but not as ridiculous as this next clip where Eddie Bravo.
Bravo, Eddie.
jordan holmes
Fucking.
What are you doing to me?
dan friesen
That's our new segment.
jordan holmes
What are you doing to me?
dan friesen
Eddie Bravo?
jordan holmes
Bravo.
Are we late 90s, Conan?
What's happening right now?
dan friesen
We might be.
But so in this one, Alex wants to talk about something, and Eddie brings up a topic that clearly Alex doesn't want to talk about.
unidentified
Okay.
alex jones
I grew up and had some family that had been in covert action in the CIA, like killing people.
And all I'd ever heard was, you know, no, the government brings in the drugs, they kill people.
You don't want to join it.
And so I had that view.
But over the years, the people inside that know all this now have the internet.
They have us.
They have the people.
And so I've learned that like major SEAL teams, in fact, the most elite SEAL team, but Army, a Delta Force, you name it years ago.
They would come in and order them to listen to InfoWars.
And I would hear this 15 years ago and go, oh, yeah, sure, right.
dan friesen
I'm saying that now.
alex jones
Yeah, they're telling Delta Force.
dan friesen
Listen to me.
alex jones
It's all confirmed now.
And so there was no one else covering this.
They said, you listen to Alex Jones.
He knows what's going on.
And that's just a fact now.
You know, and people, the media never runs with this because they always talk about Trump.
Well, he talks about how the intelligence community really loves me.
So here we are saying they're the enemy.
William Benny was the head of the NSA.
He actually ran it, not the director, but the technical head.
He's a patriot.
He comes on all the time.
He exposed.
They're the ones that exposed it, Eddie.
In fact, I was told by Pachenek, who was high-level CIA.
He used to run actual overthrow governments.
He said, oh, the next month they're going to release even more on the CIA to discipline the top of the CIA.
dan friesen
He's talking about Steve Pieczenik, who I brought up earlier.
He's a guy who comes on Alex's show with some regularity.
He's the guy.
jordan holmes
He wasn't the director of the CIA.
dan friesen
No, it's William Benny.
jordan holmes
He was the technical head.
Oh, Benny was the technical head.
dan friesen
Steve Pieczenik was a psychologist, psychiatrist within the CIA.
And he's also the source of the counter-coup narrative that Alex has about how rogue CIA agents were running a silent, peaceful coup against Hillary Clinton.
jordan holmes
And now they're trying to run the counter-counter coup.
unidentified
Yes.
jordan holmes
Gotcha.
dan friesen
So that's where all that information comes from, from the wacky mouth of Steve Pieczenik.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
And this is where Eddie is about to show some real valor.
alex jones
The CIA released that on the CIA.
eddie bravo
Now, Dr. Steve Pieczenik, totally legit, right?
alex jones
Oh, yeah.
eddie bravo
High-level.
alex jones
I mean, when he comes on the show, it's in like Italian newspapers, and then they send like, you know, FBI to his house, and he's called before federal courts.
jordan holmes
I don't know.
alex jones
I mean, when he released this stuff, they threatened him with national security arrest.
That's how it really is.
eddie bravo
Dr. Steve Pieczenik, and you got some heat for this.
This is kind of changing the subject a little bit.
Dr. Steve Pieczenik on your show said that no kids died at Sandy Hook, that it was a homeland security drill that they passed off as a real shit.
dan friesen
Bravo.
jordan holmes
Oh, shit.
Bravo, Eddie.
dan friesen
He got in there and he brought that up.
jordan holmes
Somebody's busted.
dan friesen
The thing is that if anybody else were to bring this up, Alex would scream at them.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
But because he's a star fucker, he's like, oh, we've got to discuss this.
eddie bravo
Okay.
alex jones
And I've been hit really hard with it.
I can't prove it one way or the other.
I know it.
jordan holmes
Yes, you can.
You can prove it one way or the other because one way is proved.
alex jones
You can.
jordan holmes
That's how you prove things.
dan friesen
But that's the most cowardly conspiracy theorist argument.
jordan holmes
Prove it one way or the other.
dan friesen
That's so fucking.
jordan holmes
That is a chickenneck thing to do.
dan friesen
Very chickenneck.
alex jones
Anderson Cooper standing up there and turns and his whole nose disappears.
I work in TV.
unidentified
Why are you shitting on Anderson Cooper's nose?
jordan holmes
What did Anderson Cooper's nose ever do to you?
dan friesen
Well, let me explain what he's talking about.
There is a video clip of Anderson Cooper covering Sandy Hook stuff, and it does appear that his nose disappears.
But their theory is that it's green screened and that it's produced news.
jordan holmes
Because his nose is green?
dan friesen
It doesn't work that way.
No, I don't know.
jordan holmes
That's not how things work.
dan friesen
I've done some looking into it and trying to find arguments for why it for anything.
Right.
And everybody's like, oh, yeah, it's proof.
Media is fake.
Everything's fake.
But then there's other people who are like, well, I work in video production, and that could just be, I believe what it was, it's called like a P-frame rate.
Okay.
And there are little technical glitches that can happen when you're recording.
Okay.
And it's not evidence of a blue screen or anything.
Yeah, so stupid.
And you should not use that as evidence that kids weren't killed at Sandy Hook.
No.
Very, very lame conspiracy.
jordan holmes
Again, you can prove it one way or the other.
There's one way to prove it, the part that's already been proven.
dan friesen
Yeah, and listening to people's stories.
jordan holmes
Yeah, Jesus fucking Christ.
Why are you talking about that?
eddie bravo
I have one question about Sandy Hook.
The one question, the Tower Seven questions, why weren't that medevac helicopters?
alex jones
Pieczenik ran the operation to overthrow at least seven countries.
dan friesen
Change the subject.
jordan holmes
That's not what we're talking about.
dan friesen
Not at all answering, just completely, because he doesn't want to talk about this.
He's very vulnerable.
jordan holmes
Right.
Because he's wrong.
dan friesen
He's very wrong.
jordan holmes
And he even knows he's wrong at this point.
But he can't back down because if he does that one time, now he's got to back down on so many other little things.
dan friesen
It's important.
jordan holmes
Again, that's the same.
He's a better strategist than our fucking president because that's the same thing that happened with Flynn.
They got one.
Now they're going to go after more.
dan friesen
Blood and the water.
jordan holmes
So as long as he keeps fighting to just avoid it instead of admit that he's wrong on anything, then he can keep on going.
dan friesen
And one of the things that's super interesting to keep track of and watch is the times that Alex changes the subject.
When it's super intentional like that, it's not like, oh, I just realized that Steve Pieczenik helped overthrow governments.
It's not that.
He wants to get off this topic as quickly as possible and not draw attention to the fact that he's changing the subject.
He never gets back to it.
He doesn't answer his question.
jordan holmes
Of course not.
alex jones
I mean, that's on record.
unidentified
Yeah.
alex jones
He co-wrote Tom Clancy's books.
He's the Jack Ryan character.
unidentified
Yeah.
alex jones
Because that's because he used to be in covert action himself.
That's how he got into the CIA.
Here's a big secret about the CIA.
Like, they've got hitmen that are like former special forces and stuff that are Army, Navy, Marine Corps.
Because you graduate out of the SEALs and out of things into squads that are put in strategic locations around the country.
Sleeper cells.
And so that's basically what goes on.
But who they really have for assassins are doctors and psychiatrists.
And so a lot of these people you see that are doctors and psychiatrists and things that head up things that were all in the Navy or in the Army.
unidentified
Wow.
alex jones
They were backman.
jordan holmes
Of course.
dan friesen
We're back to Batman.
jordan holmes
Of course.
dan friesen
Yeah, we're back.
jordan holmes
Where else would you get assassins from?
dan friesen
Doctors.
jordan holmes
Psychiatrists.
Is he fucking L. Ron Hubbard?
What is goddamn happening right now?
dan friesen
Explains why he hangs out with John Rappaport.
jordan holmes
What kind of...
Dr. Prochenek, psychiatrist, is the basis for Jack Ryan because he's been in covert action.
dan friesen
I don't even want to unpack that.
jordan holmes
Is there any possibility that's true?
dan friesen
We don't have time to unpack that.
And I don't care.
It's such a sad thing.
jordan holmes
That's a good point.
That's a good point.
He's that good.
I'm already forgetting about Sandy Hook bullshit.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Anyway, also, I think he's snitching a little bit.
He's telling tales about the CIA that maybe they wouldn't want out.
Also, it's fine because it's not true.
jordan holmes
Well, I mean, they have overthrown at least seven or eight governments.
So we do know that is true.
dan friesen
We have two more clips before we get out of here.
I'm just going to talk about one of them, and I'm going to play the last one.
He talks about how he's sick and fed up with this fucking Pope.
jordan holmes
Oh, that goddamn Pope.
dan friesen
Because he claims that the Pope said that Muslim terrorism doesn't exist.
He goes back to this a lot.
And I've actually pulled up the speech that that's from.
And it's actually really great.
It's actually a beautiful sentiment that the Pope was making that Alex is twisting.
Here is a quote from the Pope.
The other.
A Pope quote.
He was talking about points he wants to make.
The other is a reflection that I shared at our most recent world meeting of popular movements.
And I feel it is important to say it again.
No people is criminal, and no religion is terrorist.
Christian terrorism does not exist.
Jewish terrorism does not exist.
And Muslim terrorism does not exist.
They do not exist.
No people is criminal or drug trafficking or violent.
He's essentially saying that the identification is bad.
jordan holmes
It's the people who are doing bad things as opposed to.
That's a smart thing for him to say because then he never has to deal with Ireland.
dan friesen
Right.
He goes on to say, the grave danger is to disown our neighbors.
When we do so, we deny their humanity and our own humanity without realizing it.
We deny ourselves and we deny the most important commandments of Jesus.
Herein lies the danger, the dehumanization.
But here we also find an opportunity that the light of the love of neighbor may illuminate the earth with its stunning brightness, like a lightning bolt in the dark, that it may wake us up and let true humanity burst through with authentic resistance, resilience, and persistence.
That's a beautiful thought.
jordan holmes
That is a beautiful thought.
dan friesen
And fuck you, Alex, for twisting that into claiming that there aren't people who are Muslims who do terrorism.
That's not the point he's making.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
You're a fucking asshole, Alex.
Anyway, here's the last clip.
This is Eddie Bravo.
I should tell you this.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
Along with Eddie's in-studio appearance, they also posted an hour-long video of him at dinner with Owen Schroyer.
jordan holmes
Eddie and Owen Shroyer at dinner.
dan friesen
They go to a restaurant.
jordan holmes
And they just do that for an hour.
dan friesen
They argue.
But anyway, here's the clip.
alex jones
It's just crazy.
But listen, I'm going to get into all this other stuff.
Go because you're too humble.
They've got to see the wild, Eddie Bravo.
It goes from absolutely ridiculous to absolute genius.
Go do an hour interview, and I got to catch your plane with one of the great reporters, Pector, so we can actually hear Eddie Bravo unchamber.
dan friesen
Eddie Bravo unchained is what they want.
And so they do.
They go to dinner.
I was going to make a supercut of all of the stupid shit that they talk about, but I couldn't.
It would take way too long.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
They talk about Flat Earth.
He insists that there's an ice wall that...
jordan holmes
Game of Thrones.
dan friesen
Yeah.
And that there's something on the other side of this ice wall.
jordan holmes
But we can't know what it is.
dan friesen
Well, someone knows.
jordan holmes
That's a good point.
dan friesen
And we can't get over there.
jordan holmes
But it's too tall.
dan friesen
Hey, guess what?
If that's true, whoever's on the other side is also in on the conspiracy because they haven't come over here.
Fucking retarded.
So I apologize for the use of that term.
But also, he says that nuclear weapons aren't real.
jordan holmes
Ooh, that's a new one.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Eddie Bravo believes some batshit stuff.
dan friesen
Dinosaurs are fake.
We got more into this.
unidentified
Okay.
dan friesen
Did you know that every dinosaur bone at museums are fake?
jordan holmes
Now, that doesn't mean dinosaurs are fake.
dan friesen
They're all replicas.
jordan holmes
That just means that the bones themselves are fake.
Dinosaur bones are fake.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
So anyway, I wanted to make a super cut.
jordan holmes
Where do you even hear that?
dan friesen
Stupid blogs.
I'm sure.
Anyway, this clip that I did pull really sums it up.
Okay.
So this just let this underlie all of his archives.
unidentified
Okay.
eddie bravo
Someone could tell me some shit.
Do you know that they fuck you with me this way?
I'm like, how?
unidentified
Who's the reason?
Oh, that might.
Okay.
eddie bravo
I don't even need to do the fucking research.
I don't even need the evidence.
I just, it's probably true.
There's a chance that it isn't because I didn't look into it, but I trust you.
You're a smart guy.
You looked into it.
dan friesen
You explained it to me.
That's an InfoWars fan.
jordan holmes
Fuck you, Eddie Bravo.
dan friesen
I don't need to do the research.
jordan holmes
I don't need to do it.
dan friesen
It's probably true.
jordan holmes
It's probably true.
There's a chance it isn't because I didn't look into it.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So, great.
jordan holmes
That is fucking genius.
dan friesen
Yeah, well done, Eddie.
jordan holmes
I can't, that's, God, he just summed up the entire Alex Jones show so well.
dan friesen
You said it.
You researched it.
It's probably true.
jordan holmes
It's probably true.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
And if it's not, maybe it's not.
I didn't look into it.
dan friesen
That's intellectually offensive.
jordan holmes
It's, it's, and it's, and it's just so fucking, it's, it's like the guy who doesn't try.
Because if you fail and you don't try, you just, you know, I didn't try.
And if you succeed, I'm a genius.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
You know, I didn't even have to try.
I was so good.
dan friesen
You're describing my college career.
jordan holmes
Yeah, exactly.
So Eddie Bravo is like, hey, it's probably true.
I didn't look into it.
If I'm wrong, well, I mean, I didn't look into it.
dan friesen
All you do is take away any semblance of any personal responsibility whatsoever.
alex jones
Yep.
dan friesen
So that brings us to the end of this adventure through Alex Jones' Starfuckery and a little bit of Monday's episode.
We'll be back soon.
I think we may go maybe more into, I don't know, who knows what we'll do next time.
jordan holmes
We'll see what we do next time, ladies and gentlemen.
dan friesen
But this has been fun, Jordan.
jordan holmes
Absolutely.
You can follow us on Twitter at KnotledgeUnderscore Fight.
You can look us up on iTunes, subscribe, leave reviews.
dan friesen
We appreciate it.
jordan holmes
It's super fun.
And then if you're the NSA or just anybody who's nice, please email us, knowledgefight at gmail.com.
dan friesen
Correct.
jordan holmes
And we will have a form, you know, just a regular template, which will say, do you like us?
Yes or no?
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
And feel free to circle one.
dan friesen
Also, no interest in these shirts.
jordan holmes
They're good shirts.
dan friesen
I think if the interest is implied, some people probably want them, but they have not been vocalizing it.
So everyone out there, thanks for that.
jordan holmes
Thanks for that.
dan friesen
We'll be back soon, but until then, we're just a couple of goddamn policies.
jordan holmes
A couple of policy wonks.
alex jones
Andy in Kansas, you're on the air.
Thanks for holding.
jordan holmes
Hello, Alex.
unidentified
I'm a first-time caller.
I'm a huge fan.
alex jones
I love your work.
I love you.
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