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Feb. 15, 2017 - Knowledge Fight
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#12: Jon Rappoport

On today's show, Dan tells Jordan all about a SPECIAL REPORT from sometimes guest host of the Alex Jones Show, Jon Rappoport, about "mind control on college campuses." Topics covered include: How many years of research does it take to take a quote or statistic out of context? How hard is it to hang a picture? Is Jon Rappoport Batman? Is "safe space culture" a real thing?

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dan friesen
49:24
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john rappaport
25:26
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jordan holmes
42:35
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alex jones
00:03
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alex jones
Andy in Kansas, you're on the air.
unidentified
Thanks for holding.
Hello, Alex.
jordan holmes
I'm a first-time caller.
unidentified
I'm a huge fan.
I love your work.
I love you.
dan friesen
Hey, everybody.
Hello.
Welcome back to Knowledge Fight.
I'm Dan.
jordan holmes
I'm Jordan.
dan friesen
This is a podcast where I listen to too much Infowars, and Alex Jones in particular.
jordan holmes
And I have no idea what the hell he's talking about.
dan friesen
And I have wrangled, much like a wrestler out there on the planes.
unidentified
Okay.
dan friesen
I got my lasso out and I roped myself some clips.
jordan holmes
Oh, boy.
dan friesen
From Alex's show.
And I'm going to play them for you, Jordan.
jordan holmes
That's brutal.
dan friesen
And then we'll discuss the implications and the insanity.
To be found therein, I'd like to thank everybody who has followed us on Twitter.
I'd like to thank all of the people who are getting on board.
Our numbers are through the roof!
jordan holmes
Really?
dan friesen
Statistically speaking, yes.
jordan holmes
You lost them all whenever you did that lasso bit right there.
They all left.
dan friesen
You know, I'm like the Democrats.
I'm like, we might lose a few elites, but we pick up some middle America folks.
I'm talking their language with the lassos.
jordan holmes
Wow, you're pandering to the people from Kansas now.
dan friesen
Hey, boy, I'll tell you what.
I would start talking like some of the weird slack-jawed hillbillies I used to do karaoke with.
jordan holmes
That would be fun if all of a sudden for one episode we just had an affectation the whole time.
dan friesen
Hillbilly Dan?
jordan holmes
Never spoke of it.
Not once.
Just put out the episode in character.
The next episode, again, never mention it.
dan friesen
Donate to our Patreon at patreon.com slash freezing point and I'll do an entire episode as a hillbilly.
jordan holmes
We'll do an entire hillbilly episode.
Like those old news radio episodes where suddenly they were on the Titanic.
For no reason.
dan friesen
That would be our season finale.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Yeah, that sounds good.
dan friesen
Hillbilly season finale to Knowledge Fight.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
Because we're not sure we're getting picked up for another season.
jordan holmes
Well.
dan friesen
We might die.
jordan holmes
Neither is America.
America's not sure yet whether or not we're going to do season two.
dan friesen
That's a fair point.
The studios are still talking.
jordan holmes
It's going to be a fight.
dan friesen
But much like a special Hillbilly episode today, it is a special episode where actually this is going to be the, I guess, the David Knight episode that we did had no Alex in it.
jordan holmes
No, no, tragically.
dan friesen
There was a little Alex?
Oh, no, you're agreeing with me.
jordan holmes
I'm agreeing with you, yes.
dan friesen
This episode will also tragically have no Alex in it.
jordan holmes
Well, let's hope it won't.
Let's wait until we finish recording it before we denote it as a tragedy.
dan friesen
No matter how good this goes, you can always use some Alex.
jordan holmes
All right, that's a good point.
dan friesen
This is a situation where Alex, every day, I've mentioned this before, every day leaves.
During the fourth hour of his show.
His show is four hours long and he lets someone else host the fourth hour.
And this week, or this last week on Thursday, he had a gentleman by the name of John Rappaport who was hosting the fourth hour.
He's a guy who runs a blog called nomorefakenews.com.
Which you can go to, and it looks like an Angel City's page.
jordan holmes
Oh, really?
unidentified
Way back when...
jordan holmes
Oh, man.
dan friesen
It looks like something that someone would link to from their MySpace.
It's a very old, clunky, bad-looking site.
jordan holmes
Excellent.
dan friesen
He links to a number of things.
jordan holmes
Well, the better the sites look, the more you know they're fake news.
This is underground reality coming directly to you through AOL.com CDs, right?
dan friesen
Yeah, absolutely.
I'm sure that's how he gets the internet.
He is a guy who doesn't believe HIV causes AIDS.
He's a guy who has some literal belief in the Matrix.
These sorts of things, you can pay $125, and he will send you a huge 10-hour presentation on any of these subjects.
jordan holmes
For an hourly rate, that's not good.
That's a bad deal.
dan friesen
$1.25 an hour?
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's a bad...
He is working sweatshop labor to bring you these conspiracy theories.
dan friesen
And that's not even counting the, like, hundreds of pages of documents.
Self-written, I'm sure, that he's sending along.
jordan holmes
No, he outsourced them to the Unabomber.
dan friesen
That's the kind of thing...
That's a sort of broad sketch of the man you can find on his website, is HIV, AIDS, denial.
jordan holmes
That's such a weird one.
Why would you do that?
Why?
dan friesen
Because he's found sources that prove things.
jordan holmes
Yeah, but I mean, what good is that?
Eh, never mind.
dan friesen
Sure.
Lest we go down this path, let's not.
jordan holmes
Yeah, we've already gone too far down his...
AngelFire website.
dan friesen
This gentleman has a ridiculous gray beard and broadcasts into Alex's show.
I'm going to post a picture of what it looks like when he's broadcasting over on our new Tumblr.
jordan holmes
Oh, we have a new Tumblr page.
dan friesen
Which you can find at knowledgefight.tumblr.com.
I'll post a picture of John Rappaport broadcasting.
And if you look to the bottom left-hand side of the screen, there's a picture, a framed picture.
That he has not put up on the wall.
And it's been sitting there for about nine months.
jordan holmes
Wait, what?
dan friesen
If you watch him...
jordan holmes
If you watch him regularly, you see that that picture has sat in the same place.
dan friesen
Yep.
jordan holmes
The entire time.
dan friesen
The entire time.
jordan holmes
It's leaning against the wall.
dan friesen
Yep.
He just does never put it up.
jordan holmes
He just cannot put it up.
dan friesen
It's amazing.
jordan holmes
Alright.
dan friesen
No more fake news.
No more putting off putting up this picture.
How about that?
How about that, Rappaport?
So anyway, John Rappaport gets in there and he has got...
A bombshell story.
jordan holmes
Excellent.
dan friesen
That is up on Infowars.com.
This is where it's been published.
Also at nomorefakenews.com.
jordan holmes
Of course.
That's cross-pollination.
dan friesen
Absolutely.
He's like a little busy bee.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And he has this bombshell story that is about universities and what's really going on on college campuses.
jordan holmes
Thank God somebody finally found out.
I thought it was just sex.
dan friesen
You know what?
That would have been a better report.
These kids be fucking!
jordan holmes
And you know what?
That would have worked perfectly.
InfoWars readers and listeners would have hated that.
dan friesen
Would have scared the shit out of these old people.
jordan holmes
Yeah, they don't like people having sex.
dan friesen
Did you know that they found a new way to have sex?
jordan holmes
No way.
dan friesen
In the butthole.
jordan holmes
In the butthole?
dan friesen
In your anus.
jordan holmes
But that's exit only.
That's at least what my grandma told me when I was seven.
dan friesen
Now I'm having fantasies of that being John Rapoport's next report.
So, you might be asking yourself, why the fuck are we covering this?
We're an Alex Jones-centric podcast.
jordan holmes
I was absolutely about to ask that.
dan friesen
And we're going to get to why this is such an offensive, horrible thing that is being broadcast on the air.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
As we go through, you'll start to see the picture of why this is terrible.
jordan holmes
I feel like I'm going to figure it out real quick.
dan friesen
But also, I think it's time, now that we've established our format, and we're pretty comfortable, that it might be time to start dipping our toe into...
Who are these cadre of weirdos that Alex always has on his show?
Because we're working on exposing the bullshit of Alex, but we also should be like...
Also, don't trust this asshole.
jordan holmes
You gotta work from the ground up, too.
You can't just focus on the Don.
Let's call him the Don.
unidentified
He is.
jordan holmes
The Don of Infowars.
dan friesen
Yeah, he's the Don King.
jordan holmes
We gotta go after his underbosses.
dan friesen
Yeah, so this is one of his chopos.
John Rappaport, I'll let him start this off with his breaking bombshell report vis-a-vis college campuses.
I'm vamping because my...
Clip is loading.
jordan holmes
Oh, professional podcaster!
dan friesen
We are.
I'm a professional.
jordan holmes
My phone's not.
Oh, no.
dan friesen
It's fine.
It'll load up.
jordan holmes
Dead air.
That would be a great...
That would be the best Jeopardy theme song to do while they're waiting for the final Jeopardy thing.
dan friesen
Wait, dead air?
jordan holmes
Dead air.
Dead air.
dan friesen
I take this as a personal attack, but now my clip is ready.
So here's John Rappaport.
Take it away, baby!
john rappaport
John Rappaport sitting in here for Alex in the fourth hour.
I'm going to have a big investigative report here, and I'm probably going to take up most of the hour with it.
jordan holmes
Denter teeth.
john rappaport
The article, which I wrote recently at No More Fake News, the number one mind control program at U.S. colleges.
So we start here.
Everybody knows about this insane, triggering, safe spaces, microaggressions, fad trend movement that has broken out at colleges.
Oh, you said something, it triggered me, I saw a Halloween costume and I freaked out and now I have to go to a room.
dan friesen
Let's be clear.
When he's talking about the Halloween costumes, he's talking about people being in blackface.
jordan holmes
Oh.
dan friesen
That's what he's talking about.
jordan holmes
Because I was thinking he was talking about somebody dressed like Jason.
unidentified
Mm-mm.
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
I'm triggered.
It's so scary.
jordan holmes
Right.
unidentified
No.
dan friesen
He's talking about being mad at people dressing in blackface.
Because this came up earlier.
jordan holmes
But you should be mad at people dressing in blackface.
unidentified
Agreed.
jordan holmes
Am I wrong?
dan friesen
Agreed.
jordan holmes
All right.
So we've established first, before we go any further, blackface, bad.
dan friesen
Uh-huh.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
Even if you're Al Jolson.
dan friesen
Uh-huh.
jordan holmes
Even if you're related to Al Jolson.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
Blackface is bad.
dan friesen
Yep.
Even though that guy on the last show we did had a slightly weird opinion on that.
But, yeah, so if you see these things on college campuses, you're going to get triggered because it's a fad to be offended by stuff, and then what's going to end up happening is you're going to have to...
john rappaport
Where they get hot chocolate and play with dolls and little train sets and...
I mean, what?
jordan holmes
Pause it.
john rappaport
At a college...
jordan holmes
He's describing the comfort room when you lose in a spelling bee.
That's exactly what he's describing.
In the National Spelling Bee, whenever the kids who are, I don't know how old they are, they're like six and eight?
dan friesen
Yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
That age?
dan friesen
They're like fourth grade, so probably like ten.
jordan holmes
Yeah, and they've gone through all of this work for years and then their dreams are crushed so spectacularly at such a young age.
dan friesen
On national television.
jordan holmes
On national television, they take them to the comfort room where they do exactly that.
So I'm assuming...
dan friesen
I think it's a mix.
jordan holmes
He is speaking about only spelling bee related issues on campus.
dan friesen
I think maybe he was in a spelling bee some 50 odd years ago or whatever.
jordan holmes
And he did not do well.
dan friesen
No.
jordan holmes
Based on this report, he was not good at spelling.
dan friesen
So he's describing something that's a mix between the comfort room that you're describing and like a chill out tent.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
That's somewhere in the middle there, but it's absolutely not, number one, what a safe space is.
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
And number two, not something that exists.
jordan holmes
Also.
Even if it did, it's not a bad thing.
It sounds pretty awesome.
dan friesen
That's the other thing.
jordan holmes
Who cares?
Yeah.
If I was offended by something and then I was like, wait, you know what?
Instead of getting angry and projecting this outward, I'm going to go to this room over here where I get ice cream.
Yeah.
No, I'm in.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Actually, this whole thing is invalidated.
I want those to exist before we go any further.
dan friesen
All right.
We will them into existence.
john rappaport
A higher institution of learning.
At many colleges, this is happening.
And of course, it goes along with politically correct speech and so on and so forth.
But, you know, people are just boggled by this.
What are these kids talking about?
jordan holmes
You ask that all the time, don't you?
dan friesen
Yeah, you nailed it exactly.
People who are boggled by it are people who are completely out of touch.
jordan holmes
No longer kids, yeah.
dan friesen
People who are boggled by, like...
Hmm, what is this?
unidentified
What is this rap people are listening to?
jordan holmes
Did you know that they said that word that we used to say?
dan friesen
He's like a 60, 70-year-old guy who doesn't believe HIV causes AIDS.
Of course he's going to be confused by the changing evolution of culture.
Like, people having a greater understanding of each other.
jordan holmes
So we're getting into angry old man on a rocking chair territory is what we're about to...
We're about to dive into that guy.
dan friesen
It's angry old man on a rocking chair in spirit, but it's being presented as...
jordan holmes
A report.
dan friesen
Yeah, and I've got the truth.
It's not...
jordan holmes
Like if on your local news channel, instead of meteorology, it was just this old dude just going, well, my joints are swelling up, so we all know what that means.
dan friesen
It means we're in for a good soak.
jordan holmes
Probably gonna be wet later.
And we're getting closer and closer to Hillbilly Dan episode.
dan friesen
Yeah, I'll tell you what now, boy.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
I have a difficulty getting right into that hillbilly pocket and not going to the bayou.
It's real close.
It's real touch and go.
But, so, the thing that offends me a little bit about just the beginning of this is that he's not angry.
unidentified
No.
dan friesen
He should be angry.
jordan holmes
If he believes what he's saying.
dan friesen
Yeah.
He should be furious.
jordan holmes
He is kind of reading it like one of those 60 Minutes producers, though, where he's giving you that, like...
Screen of objectivity?
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Like, I am just a passionless observer reporting that other people are confused by what young people are doing.
dan friesen
Yeah, which is, again, it comes back to a cowardly dodge.
But anyway, he goes on to elaborate his point, which he's still, it's still a little vague what he's trying to get to.
john rappaport
Okay.
Safe spaces, microaggressions, I'm triggered, I'm triggered, I'm triggered.
You know, where did this come from?
How did it start?
jordan holmes
White people.
john rappaport
So, I've been lurking around in the shadows for a couple years.
jordan holmes
Don't do that!
Don't describe yourself as lurking around in the shadows!
dan friesen
We also...
jordan holmes
No!
dan friesen
We take that as implied.
jordan holmes
That's bad!
dan friesen
You've been lurking in shadows.
We know.
jordan holmes
Yeah, you're not...
He's not dressing up as like...
Excuse me, fellow college students.
How are you today?
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
I am normal, man.
dan friesen
Some sort of age-based soul man.
unidentified
Some shit.
dan friesen
But also, it's like...
jordan holmes
Yeah, he's never been kissing.
He's doing the never-been-kissed thing.
unidentified
Also...
He's going around.
dan friesen
Hey, Rappaport, stop lurking in shadows.
Put up that goddamn picture.
unidentified
What is...
jordan holmes
Why would you lurk in...
Also, if you've seen what he looks like, you know you don't want him lurking in shadows anywhere.
unidentified
No, no, no, no.
jordan holmes
Let alone on a college campus.
dan friesen
No.
I mean, I know he's...
Let's be fair, he's using it metaphorically, but choose different words.
Rappaport, come on.
jordan holmes
Well, yeah, no, that sounds evil.
His metaphor openly starts out evil.
dan friesen
It sounds at least nefarious.
jordan holmes
Yes, yeah.
dan friesen
Alright.
john rappaport
Piling up information on this.
And I needed a few final pieces, and I finally got them.
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
john rappaport
And then the last piece fell into place.
So I'm going to tell you exactly where all this stuff came from.
From the National Alliance on Mental Illness comes this statistic.
In one year, 25% of all college students in the U.S. have either been diagnosed with a mental disorder or treated for a mental disorder.
One out of four across the U.S. in colleges.
All colleges.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
I have a number of things to debunk that statistic meaning anything.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
unidentified
One.
jordan holmes
Is that true?
dan friesen
No.
I can't.
I can't.
jordan holmes
Can you find anywhere that says that?
dan friesen
That National Association of Mental Illness.
unidentified
Do they say it?
dan friesen
But I can't trust their sourcing, necessarily.
jordan holmes
Who are they?
dan friesen
I have no idea.
But, like, I don't know where you're going to get that information from, number one.
Number two.
jordan holmes
Can't you not get that information, though?
dan friesen
It seems like a lot of it would have privacy issues involved.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Like, what would you...
You would go to school...
dan friesen
Leave all that aside, because it's not important, because here's the bigger picture.
That number, if it does exist, that 1 in 4 statistic, has to, by definition, include people who have drug-seeking behaviors.
People who are going to try and get Adderall and shit like that.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
It has to include that subset of the population, which is massive.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
It also has to include anybody who's gone and gotten a diagnosis and then never gone back.
They just go in and get, like, therapy at the student health center or whatever and then don't pursue it.
So, like, that one in four statistic is meaningless.
jordan holmes
No, it seems like it's very, very scary.
dan friesen
Let's flip it.
jordan holmes
I'm gonna go with its vaccines.
dan friesen
Let's flip this one in four.
Three in four don't.
jordan holmes
Which, who the fuck are those kids?
dan friesen
Exactly.
jordan holmes
How are they getting through that shit?
Have they ever been to college?
dan friesen
How are they okay?
It's terrifying out there.
So this idea, it's like, oh my god.
unidentified
There is a creepy man lurking in the shadows!
jordan holmes
How do you not have a paranoid delusion about that?
dan friesen
You're gonna need some fucking Xanax to get through the rest of your life after you see this man.
jordan holmes
Yeah, no kidding.
dan friesen
So that's kind of like...
It's a meaningless statistic for those reasons.
I think the idea of people going to try and get pills, I know a number of people in my college days, in my after-college days, who behave like that.
jordan holmes
Yesterdays.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
I know a number of me's who are constantly looking for pills.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Crazy me.
dan friesen
So that group is included in that 25%.
So it's like you need to be a little bit more specific.
With your numbers, or else you're just spouting bullshit.
jordan holmes
No, you need to be as vague as possible in order to scare as many people as you can.
dan friesen
Exactly.
jordan holmes
In order to drive traffic to no more fake news.
dan friesen
To his credit, he doesn't sell, like, survival products on his site.
Thankfully.
jordan holmes
No, he sells continuing to get polio.
dan friesen
HIV denial.
jordan holmes
Yeah, he sells bringing all the vaccines to a halting close.
dan friesen
He also sells some bullshit.
jordan holmes
Oh!
john rappaport
Let's just sink in for a second, okay?
Let us observe a microsecond of silence.
jordan holmes
He didn't give us that time.
john rappaport
On that one.
jordan holmes
That's more than a microsecond.
john rappaport
In other words, these colleges and universities have been turned into psychiatric clinics.
jordan holmes
Psychiatric clinics.
dan friesen
That conclusion does not follow from the premise.
jordan holmes
No?
dan friesen
It does not at all.
25% a dubious statistic of college students.
Are diagnosed with mental illnesses.
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
Ergo, all colleges are psychiatric clinics.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Okay.
Great.
Well done, John Rappaport.
jordan holmes
Well, all colleges should have a psychiatric clinic.
dan friesen
Absolutely.
jordan holmes
I think that's a good idea.
dan friesen
It's an essential piece of student wellness.
jordan holmes
Now, if you are turning all colleges into psychiatric clinics, I don't think that's a way to learn.
dan friesen
I don't think so either, but I think he would agree with you on that.
jordan holmes
I think we're in agreement.
I think it's a bad idea to do what he said they're doing.
dan friesen
I think he thinks it's like Arkham City.
I think he thinks that all colleges are Arkham City.
jordan holmes
And...
If he is continuing to lurk in the shadows, that makes him!
We found him, ladies and gentlemen!
We got him!
dan friesen
Call Dr. Hugo Strange!
jordan holmes
Yeah, get on up here!
dan friesen
Batman has some more thoughts.
john rappaport
Let's face it.
I mean, come on.
That's the story.
That's the underlying story.
Whether it's a diagnosis of ADHD, or clinical depression, or bipolar, or whatever it is.
And the treatment with highly, highly active toxic drugs.
jordan holmes
Back in my day, we used to just hit people for treatment.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
You didn't have ADHD.
You're about to get a spanking, boy.
dan friesen
You didn't have a mental illness.
You were just a pussy.
jordan holmes
Yeah, exactly.
dan friesen
Great.
jordan holmes
That didn't perpetuate the cycle at all.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
It's like that whole thing.
It's like, you know what?
Yeah.
I mean, you're telling me I shouldn't hit my kids?
My dad hit me.
It turned out great.
Oh, you don't see the connection?
jordan holmes
No, you don't see the problem there.
dan friesen
Yeah, you're hitting your kid probably because you got hit as a child.
jordan holmes
You know, PTSD wasn't an issue when those boys came back from work.
World War II, I mean, except for all the ones who killed themselves and never spoke about it again or anything like that, or wind up being, oh, yeah, no, PTSD wasn't a thing.
dan friesen
Back when men were men.
jordan holmes
Back when men were men, and there were fewer of them.
unidentified
Yeah.
john rappaport
So what does that do?
That creates a complete culture of victimhood.
I don't care what Hillary Clinton advocates or, you know, who cares?
jordan holmes
Creepy laugh.
john rappaport
These kids now can have a right to consider themselves victims.
Well, I have a problem.
And so what's the next step?
Well, this explains why I have a problem, because I have a mental disorder.
Okay, wow, there we go.
jordan holmes
Wait, was that him saying he has a mental disorder?
Oh, okay, all right.
dan friesen
But it's also a little chicken-egg-ish, you know?
I mean, it's like...
It's like, okay, so you get this diagnosis and now you're a victim so you can excuse all your behaviors.
It's like, well, maybe what led to the diagnosis was I suffered from panic attacks and couldn't leave my house.
jordan holmes
Well, does he think people are being triggered without having anything that triggered them?
Like, the whole point of...
You know, that trigger warning is you were a victim and this will bring up those bad memories.
dan friesen
Right, it's the idea of you were sexually assaulted and here's some graphic content describing a sexual assault.
jordan holmes
Yeah, you don't want to be a part of that.
That's a warning.
dan friesen
Yeah, and safe spaces are like...
jordan holmes
Where you don't have to deal with that.
dan friesen
Or you don't have to deal...
Like you're in a situation where people who aren't on the level are going to just get in the way.
Yeah.
unidentified
So let's exclude that.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
unidentified
There are zero train cars that are safe spaces.
dan friesen
I don't know.
Look, I don't want to sit here and defend the entirety of safe space trigger warning culture, but I know that it's based on something, and it's not crazy, people.
jordan holmes
No!
dan friesen
It's based on people being oppressed.
unidentified
Yeah!
dan friesen
It's based on...
Taking a stand against things that are being forced upon other people.
jordan holmes
The people most against that whole concept of a trigger warning are the people who generally cause people to need trigger warnings.
dan friesen
Absolutely.
Anyway, back to Batman.
john rappaport
I'm off the hook.
Problem studying, don't know who to date or how to introduce myself to somebody or get along, sociability at college.
You know, kid doesn't know what to do, all of this.
Suddenly, he got the answer.
Because he had these problems, and he wandered into the clinic or the infirmary or whatever in the first place, and then all of a sudden, before he knew it, oh, well, and so forth, we ask you a few questions, and yes, we'd like you to see a psychiatrist or a psychologist.
He's got a diagnosis.
jordan holmes
Which is always a good idea.
john rappaport
She's got a diagnosis.
jordan holmes
It's always a good idea.
If you feel like you need to see a psychologist or a psychiatrist, go see one.
unidentified
Sure.
jordan holmes
It's a good idea.
It's never a bad idea.
dan friesen
Right, but he's painting it as a forced thing, which is never the case.
jordan holmes
No!
dan friesen
No one ever, unless you're like suicidal or you're threatening to hurt somebody.
No one ever forces you to go see a therapist.
jordan holmes
It's against the law.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
It's quite literally illegal.
dan friesen
He's creating this false idea about therapy and psychiatric help that is like, you go in for a little minor problem, boom.
jordan holmes
And that's when they give you AIDS.
dan friesen
That's when they Shanghai you.
It's like basically you're being kidnapped into therapy or whatever.
That doesn't happen.
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
The only way that anybody can force you to do anything is if you present a legitimate danger to yourself or others.
jordan holmes
And even then, it's really hard to...
dan friesen
It absolutely is.
jordan holmes
It's very hard, for good reason.
dan friesen
Yeah, because it would be fucking scary as a world system if you could just be forced into...
jordan holmes
It would be awful to go back to, all the way back to like 30 years ago when you could do that to women.
dan friesen
Yeah, for being hysterical.
jordan holmes
Yeah, exactly.
It would be terrible to go back to those times so far ago.
john rappaport
Victim card is right there.
You can play it any time you want to.
Well, I couldn't turn in the assignment.
No, the dog didn't eat my homework.
I have a mental disorder.
Okay, wow.
jordan holmes
I believe I have a dog, and I don't.
john rappaport
25%.
Get that through your skull.
dan friesen
Get it through your skull.
That number is meaningless.
jordan holmes
Get it through Castle Grayskull.
unidentified
Get it through your cowl.
Otherwise...
dan friesen
So yeah, I mean, there is an interesting conversation possibly to be had about the idea of people being able to get away with stuff because of mental illness.
jordan holmes
As a member of the mental illness community myself.
dan friesen
I'll out myself.
I'm in that group too.
jordan holmes
Right?
Because we're willing to talk about it now.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
To fight against Batman.
Yeah.
There is the question of over-diagnosing.
dan friesen
Oh, absolutely.
jordan holmes
Because that's always a concern with any kind of medical industry.
dan friesen
And that's a discussion within the community.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
It's something that we all consider quite frequently.
It's something that's really important because with all the side effects that your medications can have, if you get a wrong diagnosis, that can lead to very serious complications.
Yes.
That said, it's generally not as big of an issue as these people always portray it as.
dan friesen
In very, very small percentage of cases, it is.
And that's something that people are keenly aware of.
That's something that there is a debate about.
Overdiagnosis is one thing, also overprescription of stuff.
jordan holmes
Absolutely.
dan friesen
That is something that is being discussed, and it's a real-world thing.
But it's not...
Real the way Batman is describing it.
jordan holmes
Absolutely not.
We're just going to call him Batman now.
That's what he is.
dan friesen
So he has some more thoughts about trigger warnings and shit.
john rappaport
Now, with that underlying framework, you see, how easy is it to step from there into a student or students?
Getting together and saying, you know, there's certain things that are going on in the environment here that are upsetting us.
jordan holmes
They are!
john rappaport
That are triggering us.
jordan holmes
There was Nazi propaganda painted on universities.
That's going to trigger people.
dan friesen
Back when I went to the University of Missouri.
jordan holmes
Mostly, it's going to trigger anti-Nazi people.
dan friesen
Yeah, or Jews.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Back when I went to the University of Missouri, there was a situation where A bunch of cotton was put outside, like, just thrown outside the office of the Legion of Black Collegians.
And, you know, the people who did it were...
Taken care of by the administration.
They weren't like beat up or anything.
jordan holmes
I did like the way you put that.
dan friesen
Right, right.
jordan holmes
They were taken care of.
dan friesen
They were dealt with.
jordan holmes
Like they were from the Vegas mafia.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
They got very short graves out in the desert.
unidentified
We took out their eyes.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
Nobody's going to do that again.
dan friesen
As I recall, they got expelled.
I'm not entirely sure.
I don't remember all the facts, but that's how I remember going down.
jordan holmes
I would prefer there were far more severe punishments.
dan friesen
Absolutely.
jordan holmes
Not necessarily a three-foot grave, but not necessarily.
dan friesen
But that sort of thing happens a lot.
And that sort of thing is not...
When people respond to that, it's not mental illness that's causing them to respond.
It's that they should be very offended by that.
jordan holmes
Well, it's a threat.
You're being threatened.
Absolutely.
If you do not look for a safe space after being threatened, then, I mean, that's...
Why aren't the guys...
Perpetrating the racist, horrible acts in the mental illness camp?
dan friesen
I don't know.
jordan holmes
Shouldn't they be the ones in there?
dan friesen
Well, they're the ones who believe that mental illness is weakness.
jordan holmes
Shouldn't they be the ones who be so angry about it?
dan friesen
They're the ones who believe that mental illness is weakness, and they're the ones who will never...
Get the help that they probably need.
jordan holmes
Desperately need.
dan friesen
Especially if you go out of your way to get cotton and put it outside a black building.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
That's a lot of work.
dan friesen
It is.
jordan holmes
Racism is a lot of work.
dan friesen
And it indicates that something is not working right in your brain.
No.
jordan holmes
God, what if there was...
Let's say there was a pill.
Or even better yet, a gas that we could just pump in.
To heavily racist areas.
dan friesen
Uh-huh.
jordan holmes
And then they just stop being racist.
dan friesen
I'm still against that because of informed consent.
jordan holmes
Admittedly, I agree with you.
Now, I will say that the side effects of this gas in my head are your legs don't work anymore, so we don't have to worry about it either way.
dan friesen
So you're not mobile.
jordan holmes
Yeah, exactly.
dan friesen
How about we just make your dick way too big?
How about that?
unidentified
Instead of no legs, just make your dick comically large.
jordan holmes
And that's the genie ironic twist to that one.
dan friesen
Yeah, yeah, exactly.
jordan holmes
Oh, I just want a big dick.
And then it's, oh, no.
dan friesen
It's that careful what you wish for.
jordan holmes
Yeah, exactly.
dan friesen
So Batman's going to get back to this.
And at the end of this, he ends up revealing who the real enemy in the world is.
And he shares some thoughts with Scientology in an unfortunate way.
jordan holmes
Great.
john rappaport
Get it?
Because, well, we already have a mental disorder, you see, so we're a little bit off.
Chemical imbalance in the brain, whatever, whatever, whatever.
jordan holmes
You can't, no, no, no, you can't just whatever, whatever, whatever.
dan friesen
You can't, like, yada, yada, yada.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Chemical imbalance in the brain, whatever, you know, no big deal.
dan friesen
Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
This is a hard-hitting investigative report.
jordan holmes
Yeah, no kidding.
john rappaport
Now we have a right.
To begin talking this crazy language and we need a safe space in a room and the teachers and staff have to attend to us and we can regress back into being children because we've already been diagnosed by a mental health professional as having a mental disorder.
I hope you really get this because this is a key to understanding.
What is going on, not only going on at U.S. colleges and universities, but what is eating out the country from the inside?
The profession of psychiatry.
And I'm going to break all that down for you, chapter and verse, in this investigative report.
dan friesen
He doesn't.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
So psychiatry is the enemy.
jordan holmes
Psychiatry is the enemy.
Yep.
Now...
I'm assuming, like, we're gonna, he's gonna go down the medication is changing people thing, right?
dan friesen
Uh, yeah, there'll be a, you know, there'll be touches of that, shades of that, if you will.
jordan holmes
Where, where is this going?
dan friesen
It goes some places you don't expect.
jordan holmes
Okay, of course it does.
dan friesen
Uh, but before we get to those places, we've gotta deal with him being a little bit repetitive, but it's worth listening to this clip because of, uh, you'll see.
john rappaport
But you've got the headline and the top paragraph now.
Real quick, real quick.
jordan holmes
He's a complete asshole, right?
unidentified
We're past that line.
dan friesen
Look, I don't know him as a man.
jordan holmes
No, no, no, no.
You don't get to do that.
dan friesen
I don't know him.
jordan holmes
He just generalized every U.S. college as being a...
And that's the whole...
That's the fight that so many conservatives have.
That's the fight that so many conservatives have because they have that thing where they send their Christian conservative brainwashed kids to the university and they meet...
other people.
Yep.
unidentified
And surprisingly enough, they come back with all of this information that they never got from their tiny ass bullshit town.
dan friesen
Maybe they smoke a little weed.
jordan holmes
Maybe they smoke a little weed.
dan friesen
They start to see the world.
jordan holmes
I bet they even had sex on that campus.
dan friesen
Oh my god, maybe they started to have feelings for a different sort of person.
jordan holmes
Oh, they had sex all over that campus.
dan friesen
Yeah, maybe you mad at Oh, my God.
That's insane.
jordan holmes
So, it's always that.
It's always that.
That whole bullshit, like, if we could just keep them in this bubble, you know, like a cult.
If we could keep that, like, every small town should just be called a cult town.
Because that little bubble they have of those people who never go anywhere, and I grew up in a small town, so I know.
dan friesen
Probably die in a small town.
jordan holmes
I probably will die in a small town.
But at least it'll be in a bathroom stall of a bar.
Sure.
And they try and keep that short, small viewpoint in there, and the moment somebody goes away and comes back with a different one, they blame the university.
dan friesen
Yep.
jordan holmes
As though the university wasn't just a collection of people from other places.
dan friesen
Fuck you, it's full of crazies, and psychiatry is to blame.
jordan holmes
Oh, okay.
That makes things so much easier.
dan friesen
Because it's Arkham Campus.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
And it's a loony bin.
And it's full of crazy people who demand that you not dress in blackface.
That you not, you know, misgender people.
Right.
People are crazy for demanding acceptance.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And I guess, if that's your argument, I can't really argue with you except to say I completely disagree.
jordan holmes
It's weird how those same people, though, are always the ones who are the most against conformity.
So it's always like...
I hate it when these people demand something that goes against what I think is what everyone should be.
Don't tell me what to be.
dan friesen
Right, right.
You should be what I tell you to be.
Individualism.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
The libertarian ideas.
jordan holmes
So long as everybody is an individual in the very same way.
dan friesen
Actually, he's going to get to individuality in a little bit.
jordan holmes
I bet he's right on.
dan friesen
Totally.
john rappaport
Now you can see how this whole business came about.
dan friesen
Not yet.
john rappaport
And how, of course, it's destroying the country because of the majority of the best and the brightest attending colleges and universities, 25% of...
dan friesen
That's not a majority.
jordan holmes
25% of...
A hundred percent.
dan friesen
It's not even close.
jordan holmes
Is a majority, right?
dan friesen
No, it's not even a majority of half.
jordan holmes
What is a majority?
Remind us what a majority is.
dan friesen
I don't know.
I just learned all this liberal hippy-dippy bullshit.
I don't know about math in college.
john rappaport
Okay.
Already at such a young age, you're being diagnosed with a mental disorder.
jordan holmes
Yeah, college.
john rappaport
And drugged with highly toxic brain-scrambling drugs.
Naturally, some bizarre things are going to come up out of the hopper, such as, I'm triggered, I'm triggered, I'm triggered, I'm triggered.
I need to save space.
That was a microaggression.
He wore a Halloween costume.
I'm going psychotic.
jordan holmes
None of these things are related to each other?
dan friesen
No, but again, it's so offensive to me, the idea that he's saying, you wore a Halloween costume.
They're talking specifically about blackface.
jordan holmes
It's always minimizing, if you rename it to something, it's locker room talk.
unidentified
Right.
jordan holmes
It's not sexual assault talk, it's locker room talk.
dan friesen
Right, it's the battle of language.
jordan holmes
It's not blackface, it's a Halloween costume.
You and I know everybody wears Halloween costumes.
unidentified
Of course!
jordan holmes
Which means everybody wears...
Tasteful Halloween costumes.
unidentified
Sure.
jordan holmes
Zero people wear fucking blackface.
dan friesen
On the last episode, we dealt with this in a little bit greater detail.
The idea of what's okay as a Halloween costume and blackface is totally cool, all that shit.
So we don't need to retread it totally.
jordan holmes
What's okay as a Halloween costume.
dan friesen
But this is so great because he's spouting this stuff and he's about to make a really smooth transition that I think everyone can enjoy.
jordan holmes
As smooth as his dentures.
john rappaport
You bet.
And the drugs themselves create a distorted perception of reality.
Keep that in mind.
So that some of these reactions that you're seeing from college students that you scratch your head about and just can't figure out are coming from the drugs.
Okay.
jordan holmes
Okay.
john rappaport
Yeah, I'm getting a little worked up about this.
I've been on this case for 20 years now.
dan friesen
He's been on the case for 20 years.
john rappaport
20 years.
Before I get to the next piece, which is gigantic, let me make sure that you know that at Infowarsstore.com you can get Roger Stone's new book, The Making of the President.
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dan friesen
He goes on for like three minutes.
jordan holmes
That's a majority of percent off.
We all know that.
dan friesen
He goes on for like three minutes or so selling Roger Stone's book.
But it's great because this is a show that does have commercial breaks.
jordan holmes
I love...
dan friesen
What the fuck are you doing?
You're in the middle of a report about how psychology isn't real and it's the enemy.
jordan holmes
And there's a huge bombshell coming.
Huge bombshell.
dan friesen
But, you know, we gotta talk about how great this book is.
jordan holmes
I love how worked up he is by his voice being like...
unidentified
And I'm real angry about that.
dan friesen
Indicates that he might be sedated.
jordan holmes
Yeah, no kidding.
dan friesen
He might be on these meds.
jordan holmes
I'm getting worried.
That's Stephen Wright opening with, I'm a little hyper.
dan friesen
Yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
That's what that is.
dan friesen
He might be taking some of these herbs that you can buy on Infowarsstore.com.
Those are totally fine.
jordan holmes
He's got a great psychiatrist.
dan friesen
Super male vitality, DNA force, all that stuff, totally fine.
But these psychotropic drugs you can get from a psychiatrist, evil.
jordan holmes
Well, you know what?
I will say that they do have a greater propensity for harm because they're real.
unidentified
Right.
jordan holmes
So anything that's real is, of course, much more likely to be damaged.
dan friesen
There's high risk, high reward.
jordan holmes
Yes, exactly.
Or more like low, low, low risk, high reward.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
A good trade-off.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
So are you ready to get to this bombshell?
jordan holmes
I am ready to get to the bombshell.
dan friesen
I want to be clear.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
I'm not sure there was one.
jordan holmes
In true Infowars fashion, always teasing a bombshell.
dan friesen
But this is what he gets to next.
jordan holmes
Conveniently forgetting the bombshell.
john rappaport
Okay.
Next piece here.
jordan holmes
Okay.
john rappaport
If you go to the Psychiatric Bible, and there is a thing called the Psychiatric Bible, its official name is the DSM, the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, Published by the American Psychiatric Association.
jordan holmes
Why is he such a dick about that?
dan friesen
Because he has to be.
jordan holmes
They just named it a thing.
You don't have to make fun of just the name of it.
dan friesen
He does, because he's got so little.
unidentified
Yeah, but that's such a Bush League move.
dan friesen
Yeah, but still, it's going to appeal to people who are dumb.
They're just going to hear him sarcastically lilt his voice and be like, oh, he's minimizing it.
It must not be important.
jordan holmes
It's classic bullying.
dan friesen
Yeah, it is.
jordan holmes
It's a third grade move right there.
dan friesen
1000%.
Yeah.
When you don't have any information, you're just like, neener, neener.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
And that's what he's doing.
jordan holmes
Oh, psychiatrists.
unidentified
They go to parties.
dan friesen
He's about to give a fairly sizable lie.
jordan holmes
To all psychiatrists, I'm sorry for insinuating you guys go to parties.
I know you don't.
dan friesen
It's very responsible.
unidentified
It's okay.
john rappaport
Updated every few years, you will find...
That there is a list and a description of roughly, ready?
300 separate and distinct mental disorders by name.
unidentified
What?
john rappaport
Social defiance disorder, attention deficit hyperactivity disorder, clinical depression, etc., etc.
The ones you know about and obviously the vast majority you've never heard of.
300.
Okay?
jordan holmes
Okay.
john rappaport
Now.
jordan holmes
Now what?
john rappaport
Here's the revelation.
jordan holmes
What's the revelation?
john rappaport
There is no, and listen carefully here.
jordan holmes
I am!
john rappaport
Every word is important.
dan friesen
I don't think it is.
john rappaport
There is no defining physical diagnostic test of any kind for any of those 300 so-called mental disorders.
jordan holmes
That's not true.
dan friesen
That's a complete lie.
jordan holmes
That's not true at all.
dan friesen
It's a horrible, complete lie.
jordan holmes
That's the zeroest true thing.
dan friesen
Well, but here's what he means, I think.
Because I'm going to be generous to him in one sense.
So, like, if you have...
unidentified
You're going to pay for his new dentures.
dan friesen
No, but, like, if you have TB or something like that, there is a specific A to B TB test.
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
You can take that test and it'll tell you yes or no if you have TB.
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
There is no test like that for depression, per se, or schizophrenia, or anything like that.
But there are a fuck-ton of physical tests that give very important information that lead doctors to those diagnoses.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
I consulted with my dear friend, Dr. Gums, who is a real-life doctor.
And I asked him...
jordan holmes
Bleeding Gums Murphy, who's also on The Simpsons.
dan friesen
I've said a bunch of shit about him on the air, and he's told me not to say his real name anymore.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
So he's Dr. Gums.
jordan holmes
He's Dr. Gums.
dan friesen
He is a really smart, real doctor.
And I asked him about that, and he's like, that's just absolutely incorrect.
There's so many physical tests that go into psychiatric diagnoses.
There are, you know, thyroid panels.
There are CAT scans that you can do.
Any kind of brain scans.
There's other physical tests that are just basic, even movement tests and stuff like that.
Now, granted, it doesn't in the same way as TB yes or no test or an allergy scratch test or something like that.
It's not the same.
But this is such an elementary understanding of what physical tests are and what a diagnosis is.
jordan holmes
Well, but here's the other angle on why you could understand where somebody is coming from if they're coming from this angle, especially if they're, say, 7,000 years old or however old he is.
dan friesen
Listen, his brother's Methuselah.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
The hardest part about the history of psychiatry and psychology...
Is that there was such a push for a long time to try and get it into an actual scientific method.
Yes.
Which, for the longest time, it was just, you know, a guy like Freud saying, you know, you dream weird.
How about that?
dan friesen
You play with your poop because you want to yell at your mother.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
That's dumb, crazy shit.
So you can understand if somebody had only read Freud thinking...
That's what psychology or psychiatry is.
You understand that point of view.
The problem is that means you haven't looked at any psychiatry for the past, say, length of time you've been investigating it.
20 or so years.
dan friesen
Or you have looked at some stuff and you're not really recognizing.
I mean, he even said it when he was talking about the DSM that they revise it.
Regularly.
unidentified
Yeah, every few years.
dan friesen
Because psychology and psychiatry are evolving sciences.
jordan holmes
I also like how blown away he was by 300.
dan friesen
That's nothing.
jordan holmes
There's 7 billion people on the planet.
I'm shocked there aren't 7 billion different mental illnesses.
dan friesen
Sure, and within that 300, there's like 5 of them are just depression, but they're different sorts of depression.
jordan holmes
Which means there are different paths of treatment for depression.
Absolutely.
There are different ways to go about attacking it, which again, if you're dealing with...
Diagnosis being a huge issue because medications are and can sometimes be very toxic.
You know, like I'm destroying my liver so I don't go crazy or whatever.
dan friesen
Sure.
It's like, do you want to die now or 60 years from now?
jordan holmes
Do you want to have a good life while good life is possible or do you want to be 80?
dan friesen
Yeah.
Or do you want to live like you have in terrible times in your life?
jordan holmes
Yeah, exactly.
dan friesen
But the other thing that I think is super important is the S in DSM is statistical.
Because it's based on real observations of tons of people.
Tons of patients.
They've diagnosed and categorized mental disorders that do happen.
And found what works statistically.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
That's why it's in the manual.
jordan holmes
Well, but people can't understand statistics.
unidentified
No, it's very complicated.
jordan holmes
You should read the new Michael Lewis book.
dan friesen
We were talking about that.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it's all about that.
dan friesen
Everyone doesn't believe in coincidence, essentially.
jordan holmes
I was actually talking to somebody earlier about this, where that whole myth of, oh, well, people go crazy on the full moon.
And you just look at it from a statistics-based idea, and you realize, no, they don't.
But...
When somebody goes crazy and there's the full moon, you associate the two.
dan friesen
And we talk about it.
jordan holmes
When somebody goes crazy and there's no full moon, you don't register that.
You don't remember it because there wasn't a full moon.
dan friesen
Well, it's like suicides rising around the holidays.
jordan holmes
Yeah, exactly.
dan friesen
It's not true, but we always hear about it.
jordan holmes
Because it makes an intuitive sense to you.
The full moon is unusual, so unusual things should happen.
Holidays are sad.
And you should kill yourself.
dan friesen
Well, statistics are like a science that's desperately in need of a story to make them interesting.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
So you have the, like, full moon story, and we're like, oh, let's fucking latch onto that whether it's true or not.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
But anyway.
jordan holmes
Well, human beings are storytellers.
That's what we are.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
That's the only way we understand things.
dan friesen
You know who tells a fucking shit story?
Batman.
jordan holmes
Batman?
unidentified
Yeah.
john rappaport
Not a blood test?
Not a hair test, not a saliva test, not a urine test, not a brain scan, not a genetic assay.
Nothing.
Zero.
Zilch.
Nada.
Nothing.
This, in fact, is an open secret in the psychiatric community.
jordan holmes
Again, it's not.
john rappaport
They understand this.
So it would be like you going into the doctor and he says, you know, you've got cancer.
unidentified
What?
john rappaport
Yeah.
I think you've got cancer.
You going to run any tests?
No, we don't actually have any tests.
But from what you say and looking at you, I would say that you've got cancer and it's now time, you know, we could start an hour on some heavy rounds of chemotherapy.
unidentified
Okay.
john rappaport
Which, of course, will stop the reproduction of all your cells, and we hope it'll kill the tumors before it kills you.
Yeah, but you haven't run any tests.
Well, we don't really have any tests.
It would be like that.
dan friesen
It wouldn't be like that.
jordan holmes
He is also kind of insinuating that cancer treatment is bad for you as well.
dan friesen
Well, I mean, yeah, I think he probably would.
jordan holmes
But, I mean, it seems like he's really mad because somebody diagnosed him with cancer.
dan friesen
That's why he lost his teeth.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that could be.
Well, you guys will see the picture.
dan friesen
Yeah, holy shit.
jordan holmes
Also, if I was diagnosed with cancer, and then the doctor pressed play on a 1980s style boombox, and I heard that song, I would be totally cool with it.
dan friesen
I love the idea of trying to figure out when they send them to break.
jordan holmes
Yeah!
dan friesen
It's like, you're deep in this metaphor that we know you're not going to find your way out of the woods.
Hit the music.
jordan holmes
Well, and even better, there has never been a break where that music would even become close to, like, they never end on a high note.
They're always going to break in the middle of, and if you got diagnosed with cancer.
Like, no!
unidentified
Play something that's...
jordan holmes
Appropriate in some way?
dan friesen
Yeah, something like a dirge.
jordan holmes
Yeah, exactly.
dan friesen
So also, the idea that there aren't any tests, again, not true.
jordan holmes
Just in the background, there's always the gospel choir going, you're gonna die.
unidentified
You can't always get what you want.
dan friesen
So that is, like, that's just not true.
But then the other part...
jordan holmes
No, none of what he said was true.
dan friesen
I'm being extra decent to him here by proposing this, which is, like, if you do some of these tests, oftentimes you find that psychiatric conditions have an underlying condition that is causing it.
You know, like, sometimes depression is caused by hypothyroidism.
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
Or something like that.
So you can do these tests, and you can confirm the depression, and you can confirm another condition.
But that's not even what he's talking about.
unidentified
That's too complicated for this special report.
jordan holmes
And that's the other thing that I feel like is his main, like, complete and utter misunderstanding of depression.
And I think it's a very common misunderstanding, which is always, you guys think it's an outside thing happening to me that makes me depressed.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Where it's really the depression is making me happen to the outside things.
dan friesen
Yes.
jordan holmes
It comes from within and then radiates outward.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
It causes you or I to interpret everything around us in a way that is not accurate.
jordan holmes
Yeah, exactly.
So to you, you know, whenever people say, and I've said this on other more mentally illness-themed podcasts, but it is always like, you know, well, I've been sad.
And it's like, no.
You've had things that made you sad.
You have never felt a deep and unending sadness come from within you trying to eat you from the inside out.
Much like the...
dan friesen
Wait, you're accusing other people of that?
Yeah.
Oh.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
dan friesen
Okay.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I'm accusing others.
dan friesen
Well, now you have a secondary diagnosis because you're an asshole.
So, Batman goes on to say, drop what he thinks is a bombshell.
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
And I'm just going to let this play out and then debunk it pretty hard.
john rappaport
John Rappaport back, talking about the number one mind control program at U.S. colleges.
So you've got these 300 so-called mental disorders that are listed in the psychiatric Bible, and there's no diagnostic.
unidentified
We're getting a lot of so-called.
jordan holmes
The moment that came into the lexicon, so-called blah, so-called that, and that just undermined...
How could you have any confidence in literally anything because somebody is calling it a so-called blank?
dan friesen
Well, this is a so-called investigative report.
jordan holmes
Fake news!
dan friesen
Also, I noticed that he's doing a lot of this, you know, the okay sign that Trump does all the time.
jordan holmes
The Mike Sheehan okay sign.
dan friesen
Wait, Trump stole it from Mike Sheehan!
jordan holmes
Trump stole it from Mike Sheehan!
dan friesen
So anyway.
john rappaport
Whatsoever for any of them that defines any of the so-called disorders, and that means that a psychiatrist can diagnose you, your child, a student at a college, with anything that he wants to, and then comes the hammer.
The hammer is the drugs.
And in case you're thinking of trying to worm out of my argument here and say, well, but we know that all these mental disorders are chemical imbalances in the brain, false.
No, wrong, absolutely wrong, because first of all, there is no baseline normal test for what a normal baseline chemical balance in the brain is.
jordan holmes
That's fair.
I think that is fair.
dan friesen
That's a fair point.
jordan holmes
That's absolutely fair.
dan friesen
There is no necessary way to tell what is normal.
But that does not prove his point.
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
It's a fair point, but it doesn't prove anything.
john rappaport
And I have documented through an admission by Dr. Ronald Pies, who is one of these erudite psychiatrists.
jordan holmes
Sounds so fake.
john rappaport
You know, a resume this long, retired now, emeritus, editor, and so on, who said, oh no, the chemical imbalance theory of mental illness was always an urban myth.
Quote, always an urban myth.
So that doesn't even hold up.
jordan holmes
Are you saying that Dr. Pies called something an urban myth?
dan friesen
I looked into this and I found the article that he took this from.
And there was a guy named Dr. Pies.
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
Which is pretty cool.
This is from the Psychiatric Times.
This was an article called Psychiatry's New Brain, Mind, and the Legend of Chemical Imbalance.
It's from 2011.
And he does say that this idea that chemical imbalance, being responsible wholly for mental illness, is an urban legend, never a theory seriously propounded by well-informed psychiatrists.
But he goes on to explain.
He's quoting...
The National Institute of Mental Health Director Thomas Incel here.
As Incel describes the new model, conditions such as schizophrenia or bipolar disorder are attributable to rare but highly potent genetic variations that lead to dysfunction in multiple complex...
complex brain circuits.
However, the particular symptomatic manifestations in a given individual, the disease phenotype, is partly dependent on the person's experiences and environment.
We may hypothesize, and this is my view, not necessarily Dr. Insel's, The young boy or girl may be predisposed to the use of certain dysfunctional cognitive strategies, for example, viewing everyone in the environment as uniformly threatening or rejecting.
jordan holmes
Wow, that's a really well said, really well thought out, really well researched point that he made.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
I don't think, now, you know, paint me wrong, I don't think that was very well represented in the quote that, no.
dan friesen
No, what the article is essentially saying.
jordan holmes
No, that's a perfect way of pointing out everything there, is that even if you have the same type of genetic, what, you know.
And whether or not you would call it a dysfunction in your genes as opposed to...
unidentified
Anomaly.
jordan holmes
Because there are certain...
dan friesen
Let's call it an anomaly.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
No, there are trade-offs there.
unidentified
Sure.
jordan holmes
With my experience with bipolar disorder, there's always been a bit of a trade-off.
dan friesen
Mental illness sometimes gives you bonuses.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
It gives you power-ups, if you will.
dan friesen
If you think that you suck, sometimes you'll work harder than everyone else who's complacent.
So there's that.
jordan holmes
Absolutely.
But the other thing that he points out is that it is relevant where you are growing up and where you are experiencing these things.
dan friesen
It's like the anomaly is the bomb and the environment.
is the blasting cap or whatever.
You know, like it's...
You can have a latent psychiatric condition that'll never be set off because you...
Lived the right circumstances.
jordan holmes
Well, and not even necessarily that, but you can have the same condition as somebody living in a completely different world.
It may be the same genetic situation, but you're going to react and you're going to show different symptoms because you're dealing with an environment that is coming out in as well.
So in certain situations, even if you are talking about those colleges where he feels like it's an issue, somebody may have – One illness or another one, but they're both exhibiting the same symptoms for it.
There are plenty of times where, I mean, if you go through the history of bipolar disorder, it's really hard to diagnose because it may be that your symptoms are exactly the same as this disease or exactly the same as that disease.
And so you wind up going through all these different medications because you don't actually know what your underlying problem is.
You just know shit's wrong.
dan friesen
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
And...
jordan holmes
So, it's a well-thought-out...
And he should be the Emeritus editor of...
unidentified
Blank.
dan friesen
Shout out to Dr. Pies.
jordan holmes
Yeah, Dr. Pies, you do good work.
I wish you didn't drive in a car with so many clowns in it.
dan friesen
But also, to take it back to Batman, what he's saying is a really bad representation of what Dr. Pies is arguing.
jordan holmes
A horrible one.
dan friesen
He's citing him more or less out of context because the actual quote sounds good for his argument.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
But what Dr. Pies is saying is essentially that the idea of a chemical imbalance is a simplistic, inaccurate way to look at it.
But these are genetic mutations in the brain that would cause chemical differences.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
So it isn't a refutation of the idea that your brain chemistry is different.
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
It's just that the term brain chemistry is not really what we're talking about.
jordan holmes
Is reductive and not really representative of what may be going on.
dan friesen
My point is that John Rappaport is a really bad investigative journalist.
He's citing that article.
In the way he is.
jordan holmes
And he's been doing that for 20 years.
He's been on the case for 20 years.
Why wouldn't he at least have read the full article?
dan friesen
Or, if he was an actual journalist...
jordan holmes
Also, he did pull out the first five words of that quote, right?
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
It was the first...
Like, he got what he wanted and then did not bother to read the rest of it.
dan friesen
Let me go one step further.
If you're on this case for 20 years, why don't you give Dr. Pies a ring?
unidentified
Why don't you call him and ask him what he meant by that instead of pulling an out-of-context quote?
dan friesen
Why don't you actually do some investigation?
What are you doing?
jordan holmes
How could you get a hold of Dr. Pies?
dan friesen
There can't be more than one.
jordan holmes
Are you just going to wander around different windowsills and see if he shows up?
No.
dan friesen
I saw a great tweet that was a picture of Jeff Sessions.
And it was like, Jeff Sessions looks like a baby who was turned old by a witch because he stole a pie off a window sill.
That's great.
It's perfect.
jordan holmes
Also, he's a horrible racist who should die.
dan friesen
Yep, fuck him.
john rappaport
So all these college students, and everybody really, are completely at the mercy of these psychiatrists who will say, well, you've got this disorder, that disorder, and now comes the drugs.
Oh, the antidepressants, Prozac, Zoloft, Paxil, and so forth.
In my article, which is up now at Infowars, number one mind control program at U.S. colleges, you can see the effects of these drugs as cited in study after study after study and their influence, how they push people over the edge into committing violence.
And when I say violence, yes, could be throwing a rock through a window, but it could also be murder.
Could also be mass murder.
Could also be suicide.
We're talking serious stuff here as a result of these SSRI, as they're called, antidepressants.
And that's just one class of drug.
jordan holmes
What?
There are more?
john rappaport
There are others called major tranquilizers or neuroleptics.
The first of which was Thor.
jordan holmes
They are not called Major Tranquilize.
That sounds like the name of a David Waynes movie.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So we're laughing and it's unfortunate because there is reality to some people.
Oftentimes, and he does deal with this a little bit later in his special report.
That it's dangerous to go off a medication randomly.
And so a lot of the times the violence that you end up seeing from people is people who have fallen off medication.
So that he's not dealing with very accurately.
But there are negative responses to medication, and that's a reality of the world.
jordan holmes
Yeah, but there are negative responses to not...
Searching out medication.
There's a way bigger...
There's not going to be a...
There's not going to be a cure.
dan friesen
Nope.
jordan holmes
And even then, if you are going to seek out medication, you're not doing it on a fucking whim.
dan friesen
And you're also not doing it because someone Shanghai'd you.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
You're doing it because you're struggling.
jordan holmes
Unless you're on a TV show.
Is that a reality TV show yet?
dan friesen
Getting help?
jordan holmes
Maybe you have a mental illness?
dan friesen
That's all of them.
jordan holmes
Let's find out.
dan friesen
Literally every reality show.
jordan holmes
That's a good point.
dan friesen
But, like, I know a number of people who are mentally ill who consider getting help, and I always tell them, you know, I can't tell you what to do, but I really think...
That there's help to be had if you want to go.
I'll give you some resources.
And I try and help people as much as they can.
A lot of them don't ever follow through.
unidentified
No.
dan friesen
So the idea that people are being forced into something is bizarre.
Even people who do go in often go for one session and then never go back.
jordan holmes
But even then...
Mental health is difficult.
I'm not going to say...
I think the way that he's putting forced is such a negative...
One of the hardest parts about having mental illness is that sometimes you'll feel pressure.
And that's not feeling like you're forced to go that.
But that's like, you know, your friends are putting this pressure on you saying, you know, you should go get help.
And it makes you feel, you know, it makes you feel like you're being forced.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
So I can understand that.
The way he's putting it is more like the white coats are coming for you.
unidentified
They're going to put you in a straitjacket and they're going to take you into that.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, exactly.
No.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
He's a, he's a, yeah, no, he's, he's very, he's very much angering me right now.
dan friesen
This next clip.
jordan holmes
You can hear it in my monotone.
I'm so worked up over this.
dan friesen
Well, because you're on Howl Doll.
So this next clip is where it spins into a little bit of wacky conspiracy territory.
jordan holmes
Oh, thank God.
I've been missing that.
john rappaport
They are creating motor brain damage.
dan friesen
Why?
Just because of where that clip started.
When he says they, he's talking about the drugs, not people.
jordan holmes
The psychiatrists are giving the drugs.
dan friesen
Look, but I want to be sure that I'm not giving him, like, false context.
jordan holmes
Guns don't kill people.
Psychiatrists with guns kill people.
dan friesen
Psychiatrists with pill-shaped guns kill people.
jordan holmes
Or guns that shoot pills.
john rappaport
What does that mean?
That means that your ability to move and function physiologically as a human being is damaged by these drugs.
The great reference on this is Peter Bregan's book, Toxic Psychiatry, 1991, St. Martin's Press.
Which should be on every bookshelf.
No.
So here you go.
U.S. colleges.
jordan holmes
Which should be on every bookshelf.
john rappaport
Mind control.
Psychiatry is basically a mind control operation.
Diagnoses with no tests.
Completely arbitrary.
Giving you the sense that you have a mental disorder and now you're a victim and therefore you have certain privileges and rights and so forth.
I'm triggered.
I need a safe space.
Microaggressions.
The drugs are in fact scrambling your brains.
What else do you need to say that psychiatry is a mind control program?
It's the extension of MKUltra.
Of the CIA, your famous mind control program, into the entire society right out in the open.
And as Alex is fond of saying...
They're not even trying to hide it anymore.
They're just giving it to you.
Here we are.
jordan holmes
They are trying to hide it, but there's something called the Freedom of Information Act.
They would love to still be hiding it.
dan friesen
No, no, no.
He's talking about just psychiatry.
jordan holmes
Oh, I thought he was talking mainly about MKUltra and the mic control program.
dan friesen
The program that ended back in the 70s?
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah.
They're not even trying to hide it anymore.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Because they can't.
It's against the law.
dan friesen
Because a bunch of people have sued.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
And again, like, I...
I would totally understand where he's coming from if we lived in the 1920s.
unidentified
Yep.
jordan holmes
Because you do have those people who are out of fucking control.
You've seen movies.
dan friesen
I have.
jordan holmes
And apparently so has he.
And that's all he's been researching for 20 years.
dan friesen
Or, you know, like weird conspiracy blogs and shit like that.
Who wins?
jordan holmes
Who wins if you have motor dysfunction?
See...
Who's winning?
Why is it always nobody wins?
Everybody just loses.
dan friesen
Well, I think that there's two possible paths he wants the argument to go down and he never really gets to either of them.
jordan holmes
Because, of course.
dan friesen
The first is that if you have motor paralysis or whatever and you're fucked up, then you just become like...
That's what they want the whole population to be.
Why?
A bunch of brain-dead zombies.
jordan holmes
But then you can't go to work!
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
Like, they still need people to do shit.
dan friesen
No, it's silly.
But then the other one...
jordan holmes
Yada, yada, yada, it's silly.
dan friesen
Exactly.
The other idea is that you get this, you take these pills, and they scramble your brain, and because you have this mentally ill victim mentality, you go out and you start yelling that Black Lives Matter, and you're gonna end up causing a race war.
I think that that's the other argument that he can't fully flesh out.
But that's kind of what he...
That's kind of dog-whistly within this.
Because he's talking about all the safe spaces.
jordan holmes
Yeah, no, you're right.
dan friesen
So much of that is about...
jordan holmes
Black Lives Matter not being raped.
Or trans issues.
Really bad trans issues.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
These sorts of things are what he's angry and confused about.
jordan holmes
Right.
Because he's an old, scared man.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
He's an old, scared man who's mad.
dan friesen
Who just wants his teeth back.
jordan holmes
That was the plot of A Dark Knight Rises, wasn't it?
That was that plot.
dan friesen
He wants his teeth back.
He wants someone to come over and hang that goddamn picture.
unidentified
Because it's too much for one man to do.
dan friesen
So crazy.
jordan holmes
Every time I hang out on the college campuses, nobody is hanging up that picture.
And everybody's taking drugs.
dan friesen
I've been waiting to talk about him for a really long time just because of how much I'm fascinated by that picture.
I want to get a really high pixel version of it so I can zoom in and see what the painting is.
jordan holmes
Just do the TV show.
And hence.
And hence.
dan friesen
I want to get a really megapixel version of it, zoom in, isolate it, make a shirt of that.
unidentified
Make a shirt of the picture that John Rappaport won't put up on the wall.
jordan holmes
Where is he?
dan friesen
I have no fucking idea.
jordan holmes
He's not in a studio.
I saw the picture.
unidentified
He's in his attic.
jordan holmes
He's in the middle of fucking...
He looks like he's in the bayou himself.
Oh, now I'll tell you, boy.
He's got bodies in his fucking shed.
dan friesen
He is one of...
All of these dudes who Skype in and host the fourth hour, pretty much all of them, with the exception of Anthony Cumia has his own studio and stuff like that, but the rest of them who Skype in and do the fourth hour are just in rooms.
Like, it's weird.
And his room is the most barren.
It's so bizarre.
jordan holmes
How great would it be if they were all in the same house?
They just had different Skype rooms?
dan friesen
Oh my god.
jordan holmes
Like confessional on a reality TV show.
dan friesen
Now there is a show.
jordan holmes
That is a show right there.
dan friesen
All the weirdos who are like Alex Jones associates living under one house, they have to stop being polite and start getting real.
jordan holmes
And they have to start getting crazy.
dan friesen
No, they're already doing that.
unidentified
How...
jordan holmes
How long before they eat each other alive?
If you put all of the conspiracy people in the same house for long enough, sooner or later, they're going to eat one of them, right?
dan friesen
Well, yeah.
I mean, if you cut them off from the outside world like they do in Big Brother, they'd have to assume that everything is...
Okay, so I think a lot of people who are into these conspiracy narratives have...
I don't know what the cognitive bias would be, but they believe that things are moving faster than they actually are.
So everything is heading for a crash so fucking fast.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
But it's not.
And so they always have to temper their fear.
jordan holmes
The apocalypse cult idea, where it's always coming in a year.
dan friesen
They're going to take our guns, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
These sorts of things are all coming.
If you cut them off from news, I think their natural fear that things are moving fast, within a week, they'd be like...
We're cut off from the outside world, but I'm positive by now they've cut off the Second Amendment.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right.
dan friesen
That's when eating humans would start.
jordan holmes
Well, with the amount of time Alex Jones talks about cannibalism, there is a part of me that thinks he's always this close to being like, I wonder what a human tastes like.
dan friesen
They did do a special report about that new show, The Santa Clarita Diet.
jordan holmes
What's that?
dan friesen
It's apparently a show starring...
unidentified
Don't worry about it.
dan friesen
No.
jordan holmes
We're going to go with John Rappaport.
John Rappaport is starring in the Santa Clarita Day.
Michael Rappaport.
dan friesen
No, who's that Drew Barrymore?
jordan holmes
Drew Barrymore.
Who's that Drew Barrymore?
That's another show.
dan friesen
It's about a lady who's a cannibal.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
And he's like, this is just normalizing!
I'm like, no, it's not.
unidentified
It's art.
jordan holmes
No, that's pretty much as far away from normalizing cannibalism as you can get.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
But seriously, what do you think people taste like?
dan friesen
Oh, man.
jordan holmes
You know what?
Do you think they taste like pigs?
dan friesen
Well, here's the thing.
I think it's different by different cuts of meat.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
Because, you know, like your ass would be like a much more fatty kind of meat.
jordan holmes
If Alex Jones did listen to this show and we went on a long rant about what humans taste like.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
Well, like your bicep would be like fast twitch muscle.
jordan holmes
Right.
So it's stringy?
dan friesen
Yeah, it would be more like the white meat kind of shit, as I recall.
I had a long conversation with my doctor friend, Dr. Gumbs, about this.
jordan holmes
Dr. Gums lost his teeth eating people.
dan friesen
Chicken is white meat because most of their body is muscles.
That has to move really fast.
jordan holmes
Because they are the best race.
dan friesen
Yes.
The superior meat.
Cows, a lot of their muscles are slow twitch muscles.
They don't have to move very fast.
And so there's the fat marbles.
jordan holmes
That's why they're tender.
dan friesen
That's why you have the red meat there.
So I think your ass would be like red meat.
And maybe your thighs.
And then your bicep would be white.
I would probably go bicep.
jordan holmes
You would go bicep?
dan friesen
I think so.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
I'm a chicken and poultry kind of guy.
jordan holmes
Everybody, what...
What type of...
What part of a man would you eat is a new corner on this show.
dan friesen
And if you say dick, I got a high five for you.
All right.
unidentified
All right.
dan friesen
We got to come back to the center.
jordan holmes
All right.
dan friesen
But also hit us up on Twitter at knowledge underscore fight.
jordan holmes
Tell us what type of person you would eat.
dan friesen
Alright, so this is fun.
He talks some more bullshit, and then he goes to break, and he introduces a clip that we're not going to listen to, but it's a clip that goes back to fears about Agenda 21. Because if 25% of all college students in the U.S. are being diagnosed or treated for a mental disorder...
jordan holmes
Which is a majority of them.
john rappaport
These are nothing more than psychiatric clinics.
They are...
Little nests that produce violence and craziness and insanity.
That's where the insanity begins.
jordan holmes
What?
john rappaport
That's where it comes up.
Okay.
jordan holmes
Okay.
john rappaport
We're going to take a break in a couple minutes, but I want to tell you, after we come back from the break, stay with us, because what I'm talking about is mind control, slavery over the mind.
What Rob do in his report, which is coming right up, is talking about is taking over our physical world through Agenda 21. See, now that's actually some pretty good music to close out on that piece, right?
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
That's how I would want the Mind Control Masters to play music.
dan friesen
A little bit of rockin'?
jordan holmes
That's a little bit like Mad Max Fury Road.
It's a little bit like the guy on the guitar that shoots flames out.
dan friesen
I've also noticed that he has some bumper music that he plays, like Alex Jones plays on the show, that I have to assume the artists don't know.
That they're being used.
jordan holmes
Oh, yeah?
dan friesen
Like, as he comes back from break with Moby's Extreme Ways.
unidentified
No way!
dan friesen
Sometimes, like, Moby could not have signed off on this.
jordan holmes
Moby definitely did not sign off on this.
dan friesen
I know that he's fine with, like, selling his music to commercials and stuff like that, because then he just gives them money to charity.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's against copyright law, isn't it?
You can't do that.
dan friesen
No, he doesn't.
What are you talking about?
jordan holmes
I mean, no, no, no.
Moby can do that.
unidentified
Oh, yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
Alex Jones can't do that without Moby's consent because Alex Jones is making money off of that.
dan friesen
I don't know.
jordan holmes
Yeah, no, that's illegal.
dan friesen
He might have some sort of a deal with, like, the record label or something like that.
jordan holmes
Yeah, he may have, like, a Muzak deal where you can, you know.
dan friesen
But Moby would be pissed about that.
jordan holmes
I would assume so.
dan friesen
He is anti-whatever-this-bullshit-is.
So anyway, Rob Dewan.
jordan holmes
That's like if he played Morrissey songs.
dan friesen
Yeah.
That's the only way to support mental illness more than this special report is play some fucking Morrissey.
jordan holmes
Play some fucking Morrissey.
dan friesen
Play some Mars!
So he goes to commercial, they come back and they play this long special report by Rob Dew about Agenda 21. Right.
And it's more nonsense.
It's more completely unfounded bullshit about how the elites want to put you into inner city ghettos.
Where you'll have a coffin apartment, it's all this same stuff.
jordan holmes
Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
Again, if you want to look into Agenda 21, I have no interest in covering it on this show, but you can read up on it and realize why it's all bullshit.
It's a non-binding UN suggestion sheet.
jordan holmes
About the age that people should be allowed to drink.
dan friesen
With a scary name.
jordan holmes
It's a terrible name.
dan friesen
So, Batman comes back from break after this special report, and he ties it in to his theme.
Which is nonsense.
And then gives a case study about what he's talking about that everyone should fucking listen to and get scared accordingly.
jordan holmes
Excellent.
john rappaport
So you saw that terrific report by Rob.
jordan holmes
That was a terrific report.
john rappaport
So now think of this in relation to what I've been talking about.
dan friesen
Completely unrelated.
john rappaport
Now you're going to have people Desperate, more desperate, and more desperate.
And somebody's going to say, well, you should really see somebody.
You should talk to a professional.
jordan holmes
If you are desperate, please talk to a professional.
dan friesen
But his argument, the way that he weaves A to B there, is that Agenda 21 is going to make people sad, and then people will be like, hey, you should go to a therapist.
The sad world that's going to be happening because the elites are going to force us into inner city ghettos with no choice.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
And all this will lead people to go to therapy and then therapists will...
unidentified
I don't know.
dan friesen
It's dumb.
jordan holmes
So are we in full Scientology psychiatrist control the world situation?
Are the elites all psychiatrists?
Or are they just propping up the psychiatry industry as a front for their mind control program?
dan friesen
Boy, I tell you what.
That's something he does not wrestle with.
jordan holmes
Boy, I tell you what.
dan friesen
That's something he does not wrestle with at all.
We talked about this earlier, and I speculated a couple possibilities, but he doesn't really explain what's the endgame for the psychologists.
jordan holmes
Well, as we get into so many times, when you war games these things, we all get into trouble.
dan friesen
So it's like, and then what?
I mean, I hate to sound like Young Jeezy, but then what?
You know, like, where do we go?
Like, what's the point?
You have a brain-dead population that is unable to work.
jordan holmes
And can't move, yeah.
dan friesen
And can't move in some cases.
So now you just have potatoes.
You just got a whole world of potatoes.
jordan holmes
And we all know how that worked out for the Irish.
dan friesen
And the economy then is done.
jordan holmes
It's potato-based.
dan friesen
Is there an image in his head, I guess is what I'm asking, of like...
Psychiatrists delighting in hurting people.
jordan holmes
That's a really good question.
Does he think psychiatrists are in on it, or does he think that they're just...
I don't know.
They're just the Nazis at Auschwitz, just thinking they're going to work every day like regular Joes.
dan friesen
I sincerely don't know, and I don't think he does either.
I really don't think he knows what his argument is.
jordan holmes
Oh, man.
dan friesen
So anyway.
jordan holmes
We should ask Dr. Pies.
dan friesen
Oh, you know what?
Next episode, we're going to give Dr. Pies a call.
I'm going to send him an email.
jordan holmes
Oh, yay!
That'd be fun.
dan friesen
I'm not going to do that.
john rappaport
All right.
Oh, it's not what's happening outside in the world.
That has nothing to do with it.
No, it's something, you know, inside your brain.
Get diagnosed, in other words.
Why don't they just come out and say, hey, get diagnosed.
What do you say?
Join the crowd.
Everybody loves it.
We're all getting diagnosed this week.
This is diagnosis week.
Barack Obama has come out of retirement along with Bill Clinton, a skeletal figure, and they're all saying, along with Hillary Clinton, it takes a village to get diagnosed.
Let's all get diagnosed this week.
This is diagnosis week for mental disorders for the entire population because now that we're stuffing you into tiny spaces and making you exceedingly claustrophobic and taking away all your money and destroying the middle class, And basically, you know, gutting the nation.
It's time to get diagnosed, folks.
It really takes a village to get diagnosed.
Yeah.
That's the truth.
jordan holmes
It's weird how everything he's saying is correct, even though he thinks he's saying it sarcastically.
dan friesen
Like you should get diagnosed?
jordan holmes
Yeah.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
And it does take a village.
It's a good idea to have a support structure in place.
dan friesen
Yeah.
I've also known some people...
jordan holmes
And there is National Mental Illness Day.
dan friesen
Yeah.
And also, this is an interesting thing that I just realized.
I've known a couple people who have gone to therapists and psychiatrists, and they've been like, you're fine.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
That does happen.
Yeah.
It's not every psychiatrist that doesn't...
You know, want to find an issue that they can try and help with.
jordan holmes
True.
dan friesen
But there are psychiatrists out there who are like, I don't think medication is appropriate.
I think maybe you should talk to somebody.
That does exist in the world.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Not everybody's trying to get everyone in on a shell game.
jordan holmes
And there are doctors who are like, you have high blood pressure, but maybe you should just stop eating garbage, you idiot.
dan friesen
Fix your diet.
jordan holmes
I don't want to give you these weird pills.
Stop doing that.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
So even take it out of the mental health arena.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
So anyway, he's about to get to this case study.
And here's what I'd like you to remember.
jordan holmes
I am gonna try so hard.
dan friesen
This case study is anecdotal.
It's from a book.
jordan holmes
Which means it's always the most reliable information.
dan friesen
It's anonymous.
Well, I mean, there's a name given, but it's obviously a pseudonym.
jordan holmes
Yeah, no.
Which is a good thing.
It's a good thing if you're gonna do case studies.
dan friesen
Gotta protect privacy.
unidentified
Yeah, absolutely.
dan friesen
But also, this book was written 26 years ago.
jordan holmes
Before he even started his investigation?
dan friesen
Yeah, six years before.
jordan holmes
Oh, boy.
dan friesen
But so, like...
unidentified
Which is a majority of years before he started the investigation.
dan friesen
Think about what pills we have now that weren't discovered back then.
Think about therapies that we've developed that didn't exist 26 years ago.
There's a lot.
jordan holmes
Spanking was still a legitimate therapy 26 years ago.
unidentified
Yeah, you could get spanked in a school.
dan friesen
Corporal punishment.
jordan holmes
That's a real thing!
dan friesen
Or they even just hit you.
unidentified
Yeah!
jordan holmes
That seems crazy now, right?
dan friesen
Nuts!
jordan holmes
That seems bananas!
dan friesen
Yeah, there's a zero-tolerance policy for that.
Although, when I was in high school, a teacher did hit me.
jordan holmes
Oh, yeah?
dan friesen
I hit him back.
jordan holmes
Nice.
dan friesen
It was weird.
Anyway, that's a story for another day.
jordan holmes
You need to talk to Dr. Pies.
You may have some lasting damage.
Are we going to get into a trigger warning for you right here?
dan friesen
Here's a trigger warning.
This case study is stupid.
john rappaport
Takes a village mentality, a global village mentality, to get diagnosed.
jordan holmes
Good we got globalism.
john rappaport
Yeah.
So, mind-blowing.
I'm going to try to raise a document up here for myself.
You will not see it, hopefully.
dan friesen
He doesn't know how to use technology.
jordan holmes
You will not see it, hopefully?
dan friesen
I don't think he understands what's the Skype connection, what's actually being relayed.
Bless you.
To the video camera.
I'm not sure he knows, so he thinks if he moves something on his screen, it will play on Infowars.com.
And that's not like...
I mean, he's an old man.
jordan holmes
He's an old man.
dan friesen
I'm not making fun of him.
jordan holmes
He's an old man.
dan friesen
I'm not making fun of him.
I just wanted to give context for what he was saying.
jordan holmes
Right, but also...
dan friesen
It's kind of funny.
jordan holmes
It's funny.
dan friesen
It's a little funny.
Come on, Batman.
Get your technique.
jordan holmes
Where's Alfred?
Alfred does your technology for you.
john rappaport
Come on.
dan friesen
Get Batgirl in there.
john rappaport
Okay, we're still here.
I'm your basic primitive writer.
Okay.
I want to read you a short passage from Peter Bregan's 1991 book, Toxic Psychiatry.
This is a revelation, okay?
I'm going to excerpt this a little bit.
Sudonym.
Roberta was a college student, getting good grades, mostly A's, when she first became depressed and sought psychiatric help with the recommendation of her university health service, right?
Talk about Agenda 21. She was 18 at the time, right?
jordan holmes
When was Agenda 21?
dan friesen
1992.
jordan holmes
Strange!
dan friesen
Strange!
A year after this book was written.
jordan holmes
Talk about Agenda 21. Well, she's the proto.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
She's the anecdotal.
Case by which they invented Agenda 21. I'm fucking amazed that you came up with that.
So fast.
unidentified
Look at this.
dan friesen
Look at my note there.
unidentified
What?
dan friesen
Look at my note right there.
jordan holmes
There we go.
dan friesen
Book written before Agenda 21. I had that note just in case I forgot.
jordan holmes
It was so obvious that this didn't happen.
dan friesen
Yeah, yeah.
The anecdote might have happened, but his analogy, his assessment of it, that talk about Agenda 21. No, yeah, that's what I'm saying.
jordan holmes
It's such bullshit.
Nonsense.
dan friesen
Trying to just shift facts to whatever conclusion you already have in your mind.
jordan holmes
Which he has to get to because he's about to go to bed.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Oh, God, he's so sleepy.
jordan holmes
He's so sleepy.
dan friesen
And this show, he's broadcasting this.
I mean, I don't know what time zone he's in, but it has to be like 3 p.m.
So, take a nap, Rappaport.
john rappaport
And well-motivated, very good candidate, blah, blah, blah, et cetera, et cetera.
Going through a sophomore year identity crisis about dating men, succeeding in school, planning a future.
unidentified
Okay.
jordan holmes
Under a lot of stress.
john rappaport
Instead of moral support and insight, her doctor gave her Haldol.
That's an antipsychotic.
That is a neuroleptic, a major tranquilizer.
Those are all names for that class of drugs.
unidentified
Over the next four years, get this now, listen.
john rappaport
Six different physicians watched her deteriorate neurologically without warning her or her family about tardive dyskinesia, motor brain damage, The diagnosis.
Even when she was overtly twitching in her arms and legs.
Instead, they switched her from one neuroleptic to another, including nivane, stelazine, and thorazine.
Eventually, a rehabilitation therapist became concerned enough to send her to a general physician who made the diagnosis of medical drug damage.
By then, she was permanently physically disabled with a loss of 30% of her IQ.
And then Bregan says, my medical evaluation described her condition.
Grossly disfigured and severely disabled human being who can no longer control her body.
She suffers from extreme writhing movements and spathoms involving the face, neck, head, shoulders, limbs, extremities, torso, and back, nearly the entire body.
She's had difficulty.
She's standing, sitting, or lying down, and the difficulties worsen as she attempts to carry out voluntary actions.
At one point, she could not prevent her head from banging against nearby furniture.
She could hold a lip to her cup only with great difficulty, etc., etc.
Even her respiratory movements are seriously afflicted so that her speech comes out in grunts and gasps amidst spasms.
Roberta may improve somewhat after several months off the neuroleptic drugs, but she will never again have anything remotely resembling a normal life.
jordan holmes
That's tragic.
john rappaport
Yeah.
jordan holmes
That's really sad.
john rappaport
Get it?
jordan holmes
I mean, that can happen literally anywhere with just about anything.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
I mean, she could have tripped.
dan friesen
Well, I know, but that argument doesn't really help.
jordan holmes
No, it doesn't help, but it is one of those things where she's dealing with such a unique circumstance, such a rare circumstance, that that anecdotal situation always fucking crushes me.
dan friesen
Yeah, it's very sad.
jordan holmes
Because it's always like, hey, we had one guy, this happened, and it is a tragedy.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
It really is.
It's sad.
dan friesen
It's about worst case scenario, kind of.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Bad drug reactions.
jordan holmes
And that it's tragic that that happens.
It really is.
dan friesen
It's not indicative of the psychiatry as a whole.
unidentified
No.
jordan holmes
Not even close.
dan friesen
So I was thinking...
jordan holmes
There's how many...
It's one of those things where it is like how many patients per year are killed by doctor error as opposed to what's going on.
And it's a lot.
A lot of people are killed by Dr. Air.
dan friesen
A lot of that is like in surgery.
jordan holmes
Yeah, or just any number of misdiagnoses or mixed diagnoses.
All of these different possible outcomes.
But you'd still rather go to a fucking doctor than not.
dan friesen
What if it's Dr. Wallach?
jordan holmes
If it's Dr. Wallach, I would take my cat to him.
He's a really good veterinarian.
dan friesen
He apparently is.
jordan holmes
He invented these pills.
They made somebody else's cat super strong.
dan friesen
Also, the use of case studies is...
It's illustrative of points you want to make, but it's not necessarily...
It's not really a fair way to make an argument.
Because if you want to pin all of that on the art of psychiatry, you're wrong.
If you want to make the argument, hey, there are some bad doctors, sure.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
No one's going to dispute that point.
jordan holmes
Or even some good doctors who made mistakes.
dan friesen
My uncle was a psychiatrist.
jordan holmes
Did he kill Roberta?
dan friesen
He didn't.
jordan holmes
Okay.
Are we sure?
dan friesen
Yeah.
I'm fairly sure.
I don't know how much I want to say about him.
I'll just spell this out.
jordan holmes
Okay.
You just did a full-on Alex Jones right there.
unidentified
I know.
jordan holmes
Where it's like, I'm not sure I want to tell you guys about this.
dan friesen
I'm not sure.
jordan holmes
I'm going to tell you guys about this.
dan friesen
But I don't know how much of his business I should put on the streets.
jordan holmes
No, I agree.
I don't know how much should be public.
dan friesen
I'll keep it above board.
I'll do public stuff.
Okay.
jordan holmes
With your wiener.
dan friesen
He was...
And I think he still is a psychiatrist.
And he had written a bunch of books about multiple personality disorder.
jordan holmes
Which does not exist.
dan friesen
No, but at the time it was seen as a real thing.
jordan holmes
All the rage, yeah.
dan friesen
It was one of these really hot diagnoses.
It's now dissociative...
jordan holmes
Personality disorder.
Or dissociative identity disorder.
dan friesen
There's a much more robust understanding of what it is and what can cause it.
And his whole thing, and he wrote like two or three books about it.
He believed in his clinical opinion that multiple personality disorder is caused by satanic ritual abuse and the cure is Jesus.
unidentified
Right?
dan friesen
So he has these books and they're full of case studies.
They're full of case studies with a pseudonym and these horrifying stories and then Jesus...
Helping out.
jordan holmes
Just like those fucking anti-gay conversion therapies, like that whole bullshit.
dan friesen
Right, but any kind of...
jordan holmes
That makes me very angry.
dan friesen
It makes me mad too.
If you knew more about how much of a weirdo my uncle is, you'd be even madder.
But the point I'm trying to make is that when you have these case studies, they can sort of tell the narrative that you want to tell without it actually being really based in...
Scientific or clinical fact?
jordan holmes
And that's the whole short circuit of human beings.
We love the story.
Tell me the story.
I get all caught up in it.
It's got a beginning.
It's got a middle.
It's got an end.
dan friesen
We got quiet and sad while he was telling that story.
jordan holmes
Absolutely.
It's tragic.
I feel for her.
I have empathy for another human being.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
And so it can warp your perception.
But then you go to the word statistics in the diagnostic manual.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
And that's so important.
It's so important.
dan friesen
And that's a very small...
jordan holmes
Some people have said they were cured because of anti-gay conversion therapy.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
Some of them have.
Whether or not they have is they probably haven't, but they've said it.
So you can point to those case studies as being, oh, this works.
But the large majority...
Are not helped and are only damaged, only hurt by this bullshit.
So you're just hurting people with that narrative.
It's a narrative that deserves to be told, I agree, but it is a fucking damaging narrative.
dan friesen
But it's also a narrative that doesn't deal with reality, it deals with the story you want to tell.
Like, the story that my uncle would want to tell is that these people who are...
jordan holmes
Journey to the West?
He loves Chinese literature.
dan friesen
I was just thinking of Fievel goes up.
unidentified
There's no cats in America.
dan friesen
So, the story that my uncle would want to tell is that these people told him about...
jordan holmes
Also, that is fake news.
There are cats in America.
It is fake news!
dan friesen
Ah, the Chi-Coms want to tell you there's no cats over here.
So, but like, the idea is you're telling a story that fits the story you've already decided to tell as opposed to letting the truth...
Dictate where the story goes.
unidentified
Of course.
dan friesen
And that's unfortunate.
jordan holmes
Well, that's classic confirmation bias.
dan friesen
And that's what Batman's doing.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Batman loves confirmation bias.
dan friesen
Confirmatious bias.
jordan holmes
Confirmatious bias.
dan friesen
So here's the next clip.
This is where he gets a little bit real with it, and he warns you that withdrawals are a real thing.
They are.
And then he goes the wrong direction.
jordan holmes
Do you not suddenly stop taking your medication?
dan friesen
Absolutely not.
jordan holmes
Talk with your psychiatrist.
If you are going to quit your medication, please do so responsibly.
dan friesen
And if you tell them that you want to get off things, they will help you.
jordan holmes
They will!
They're not going to be like, they're going to give you advice, and then if you're going to do it, they're going to try and help you do it the safest way possible.
dan friesen
Yeah, you know what it turns out?
Doctors work at your direction.
jordan holmes
They like it!
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Well, they don't necessarily like it when you direct them.
dan friesen
I'm sure it's kind of frustrating when you have a direction that you think the therapy would go best, and the patient says, I don't want to do that.
jordan holmes
Can you imagine being a doctor?
And having some parent come up to you and say, oh, I don't want my kid to be vaccinated.
Can you imagine how frustrated you would be?
dan friesen
That would be insane.
jordan holmes
It would be the most angering moment.
I get angry now whenever I hear somebody say, I'm not sure about vaccines.
Just the I'm not sure part makes me want to fucking punch them in the face.
dan friesen
I have doubts.
jordan holmes
Yeah, no, no.
Fucking, hey, did you, do you have polio?
No, then fucking shut up.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Every day you don't have polio, you should thank a vaccine.
dan friesen
Thank you, vaccines.
Or measles, mumps, and rubella.
jordan holmes
Yeah, what day is today?
dan friesen
It's vaccine awareness day.
jordan holmes
It's vaccine awareness day.
Every day is vaccine awareness day.
dan friesen
And it's Batman awareness day.
john rappaport
Now, Bragan warns, and I want you to make sure you understand, withdrawing rapidly from any psychiatric drug can be worse.
Then taking the drug.
We're talking about very dangerous and even life-threatening problems.
So this is in no way a recommendation to anybody who may be on one of these drugs to just get off of it.
Bregan.com, B-R-E-G-G-I-N.com is the website of Peter Bregan.
He's written a book about withdrawing from psychiatric drugs.
He recommends it be done by a professional who knows what he's doing.
Etc.
Okay.
So I think you're probably getting the message now in this investigative report on the number one mind control program at colleges.
jordan holmes
Psychiatrist.
john rappaport
And now I want to talk about super blue fluoride-free toothpaste.
My wife read about this.
She was very enthusiastic.
After being sold out for months at infowarslife.com, it's back.
Gums research indicates contribute to the development, can contribute to the development of heart disease, heart attacks.
When bacteria infect your gums, it can enter the bloodstream and even contribute to blood clots.
jordan holmes
God, I love this fucking show.
dan friesen
He goes on for like three minutes about this great toothpaste.
jordan holmes
Hey, and you know what?
If you stop using that toothpaste...
No negative side effects.
dan friesen
No withdrawals.
jordan holmes
You can switch directly to a regular toothpaste.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
What was it called?
dan friesen
Super Blue?
It's created by Alex Jones' dad.
unidentified
Oh, God.
dan friesen
You know what they do?
jordan holmes
Super Blue.
It turns your teeth blue!
dan friesen
They get toothpaste from Tom's of Maine.
Is that real?
Alex keeps doing this thing where he's like, we get it from the top organic, you know, it's up in Maine.
We can't say the name because, you know, we...
jordan holmes
Because we're stealing it.
dan friesen
Well, no, because they have a subcontract or whatever.
So they get the toothpaste from Tom's of Maine, and then he puts colloidal silver and iodine in the toothpaste.
unidentified
What the fuck?
dan friesen
Along with peppermint oil and tea tree oil.
unidentified
Oh.
jordan holmes
That sounds way less dangerous than the colloidal silver and the iodine.
dan friesen
Alex would like you to know that sometimes the peppermint is a little too strong for kids, so they're coming out with a bubblegum flavor.
jordan holmes
Oh, yay!
dan friesen
It's still on the way.
jordan holmes
Do you know...
dan friesen
No, it's coming.
jordan holmes
Bubblegum flavor was very important to me taking medication as a child.
dan friesen
Man, it wasn't for me.
I always thought that fake bubblegum stuff was gross.
jordan holmes
Oh, so important.
Did you know in the 50s they actually had radioactive toothpaste?
dan friesen
I did not know that.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah.
Everything was radioactive for a while in the 50s because the nuclear bomb had just dropped and people were like, oh, look at how amazing all of these radioactive things are.
So people would actually have glow-in-the-dark teeth.
You would clean your floor with glow-in-the-dark shit because it was radioactive as fuck.
They even had these tests where they would detonate a nuclear bomb, right?
And the tactic they were thinking about is, after that, when you have that giant cloud, maybe we should have an army march through that.
So, they actually had...
dan friesen
Are you talking about, like, for optics?
jordan holmes
No, no, for attacks.
To create super soldiers?
No, no, just to hide.
Just to hide in the smoke.
dan friesen
Okay.
jordan holmes
So, thousands of soldiers wound up having all kinds of radioactive diseases because they didn't understand that was bad for you.
So people lost their teeth because they did all of this shit.
Now, you know why we don't learn about that?
dan friesen
What was that?
jordan holmes
Globalists.
dan friesen
Probably globalists.
jordan holmes
Globalists.
George Soros.
dan friesen
Oh man, I wish I had my Spotify up.
It's not Imagine Dragons.
Who did that song?
I'm radioactive.
You know that song?
It's a good song.
jordan holmes
I'm not entirely sure which one you're referencing.
I think now is the time to let that go.
dan friesen
Alright, Batman comes back and...
jordan holmes
No, no, no, no, no, no, no, radioactive!
dan friesen
He has...
This clip is just about the fear.
jordan holmes
The fear!
dan friesen
This is fear-mongering.
jordan holmes
Not the movie fear starring Marky Mark.
dan friesen
Nor cape fear.
Nor primal fear.
It's just the fear.
jordan holmes
Just the fear.
dan friesen
He wants you to be scared, and also he has this awesome roleplay that he does with a fake doctor.
jordan holmes
Oh, thank God.
dan friesen
That is...
jordan holmes
His roleplay so far has been, one, confusing.
dan friesen
And toothless.
jordan holmes
And toothless, yeah.
dan friesen
And both ways.
jordan holmes
Yes, yeah.
So many different ways it has been toothless, yeah.
john rappaport
Okay.
What else on this merry voyage through insanity created by psychiatry?
You'll see in the article that I wrote about this up at Infowars and also at No More Fake News that even drugs like Ritalin can have fantastically dangerous effects.
Psychotic breaks.
jordan holmes
Literally all drugs.
john rappaport
Aggressive, violent behavior.
jordan holmes
Literally all drugs.
All the drugs.
john rappaport
And think about this.
This so-called, you know, oh, ADHD, everybody's getting it.
Get diagnosed.
Get the drug, sure.
The drugs are very, very closely related to amphetamines.
jordan holmes
Do you mean other drugs?
john rappaport
They are amphetamine-type drugs.
The boys at Infowars now have it up on the screen.
Some of the effects of Ritalin, paranoid delusions, paranoid psychosis.
Visual hallucinations, auditory hallucinations, can surpass LSD in producing bizarre experiences.
jordan holmes
That sounds fun.
dan friesen
I wanted to check in here.
Radioactive was a song by The Firm.
jordan holmes
The Firm!
dan friesen
That super group made up of Paul Rogers from Bad Company.
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
Guitarist Jimmy Page.
Drummer Chris Slade from Manford Man's Earth Band.
jordan holmes
Okay.
Manford Man's Earth Band?
dan friesen
And Uriah Heep.
jordan holmes
That's the...
No.
Manford Man's Earth Band is now my favorite band.
That name is amazing.
dan friesen
They did a blinded by the light.
Ribbed up like a deuce.
jordan holmes
I don't want to know.
I don't want to believe that they made music.
I want to just believe it was people called Manfred Mann's...
dan friesen
Earth Band.
Earth Band.
I just needed to prove that Radioactive was...
jordan holmes
All right.
I believed you.
dan friesen
I'm Radioactive.
jordan holmes
Okay.
john rappaport
Screen withdrawal.
Started screaming.
Aggressiveness.
Insomnia.
Decreased REM sleep.
On and on.
dan friesen
He's just listing side effects.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
I mean, they are real, but they happen in very small...
jordan holmes
There have been zero...
I don't know if I've ever seen any drug that had like, hey, no side effects.
unidentified
You're cool.
jordan holmes
None.
Zero.
dan friesen
Well, placebo.
unidentified
Perfect.
jordan holmes
Placebos work.
By the way, try out super male vitality.
No reason that is right next to the words placebo.
dan friesen
I'm not sure if that's actually a placebo.
As we've discussed, it's probably just full of testosterone.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's possible.
Or it's full of nonsense.
john rappaport
Hypertension.
Seizures.
Convulsions.
Everybody knows who's familiar with amphetamine-type drugs.
dan friesen
I really wish...
jordan holmes
Smell face.
dan friesen
This is where we need, like, a Babadooka list.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, the Babadooka list, yeah.
dan friesen
Hanging toe.
Fisherman's elbow.
john rappaport
That if you take them for a certain length of time, after the initial wow wears off, like, boy, I've got increased clarity.
This is terrific.
I can study and so on and so on.
dan friesen
He's talking about amphetamines, just to give some context in case I was lost with our laughing.
jordan holmes
Whoa, meth.
Ooh, meth.
Did you never see that?
john rappaport
An evening out occurs.
A crash occurs in many people.
They crash.
A speed crash is what they used to call it on the street.
Now the person is in fantastically bad shape.
Huddling in a corner.
So consider a child.
Consider a child.
Or a college student.
Back to the psychiatrist.
What does the psychiatrist say?
Well, from what you're saying here, it's obvious to me that you...
Are really suffering from clinical depression now.
jordan holmes
Okay.
john rappaport
Really, doctor?
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Really?
john rappaport
Well, I mean, I'm assuming that's related to the drug that you gave me for ADHD.
Of course not.
jordan holmes
Is this going to be a letter to Penthouse?
john rappaport
There couldn't be any relationship to the drug for ADHD.
No, this is the emergence of a new condition.
Clinical depression, and so I'm going to put you on Zoloft.
unidentified
And now the circus moves into phase two.
john rappaport
The brain-destroying, mind-destroying circus moves into phase two.
Because now what we're talking about here is the person, the child, the student is in the system.
And I'll give you a potential phase three.
unidentified
Ooh!
jordan holmes
Wait, so nobody's ever done Phase 3 before?
This is a potential Phase 3. He's just making up Phase 3. I think he's giving you a what could happen.
What could happen, okay.
dan friesen
But, yeah, based on his language, it does sound like we've never gotten there.
jordan holmes
Yeah, no, nobody's ever made it to Phase 3, but Phase 3 is Super Mario Brothers is real.
dan friesen
I think there's a part of him that is sort of wrestling with internally, like, I don't have any proof of what I'm saying.
So that potential phase three is kind of the little cracks in the armor showing of like, I'm not really making a good argument here.
jordan holmes
Anytime you hear anybody on Infowars do that thing where they're like, consider the person, the child, the college student.
It's like, you only needed to say one of those things.
You're saying all of those things because you ain't had much else to say.
dan friesen
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
You're doing some bullshit filler.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
You're changing the size of your font to 14 instead of 12. You're pretending you're me talking about the firm.
john rappaport
Antidepressant.
Up, down, up, down, back to the psychiatrist.
Well, says the psychiatrist in his jolly frame of mind.
jordan holmes
Up, down, up, down, back to the psychiatrist.
john rappaport
What I'm now seeing, actually, coming out behind all of this is bipolar.
That's what's going on here.
jordan holmes
That's me!
john rappaport
The up and the down.
What we used to call manic depression.
You have your ups and you have your downs.
unidentified
You sure, doctor, that this is not connected to any of the drugs I've been taking?
john rappaport
Because it really seems like it is.
jordan holmes
I love having my mental illness.
You know, you got your ups, you got your downs.
You definitely don't have two weeks where you're a fucking lunatic.
That's just you being crazy.
dan friesen
He's also sort of making the argument that, like...
Amphetamines and then Zoloft, which Zoloft doesn't bring you down.
unidentified
No.
dan friesen
Or anything like that.
But he's saying, you take these antidepressants, you have the ups of the amphetamines, the downs of the antidepressants, and that's what bipolar is.
jordan holmes
Not at all.
Not at all.
dan friesen
Very.
Dumb.
Uninformed.
Yeah.
It's like he's never talked to anybody who has mental illness.
jordan holmes
He's never talked to anybody.
dan friesen
He's never talked to any legitimate psychiatrist.
jordan holmes
Or psychologist.
That's not true.
He has talked to one person who has mental illness.
dan friesen
Are you talking about the Joker?
jordan holmes
I am talking about him.
I am talking about when Batman looks into the mirror, he sees the Joker.
dan friesen
I'm not sure that he's ever really had a conversation with himself.
jordan holmes
I'm not sure he's ever had a conversation with anybody else.
dan friesen
He's married.
jordan holmes
What?
dan friesen
I found that out.
jordan holmes
Alright.
dan friesen
I don't know what it means.
jordan holmes
Let's meet her.
dan friesen
Yeah, God, I would love to.
jordan holmes
I bet she's on InfoWars, too.
Has she ever written anything for No More Fake News?
dan friesen
I bet she's pissed off that he doesn't put up that picture.
John!
John, stop Skyping with your friends!
And put up that goddamn picture!
jordan holmes
Wait, what is this?
dan friesen
That's, uh, I'm just an old...
jordan holmes
That's the New Jersey mom from the 50s?
dan friesen
I have to assume she's like 70 also, right?
jordan holmes
She's gotta be, yeah.
dan friesen
Yeah, he's up there in age.
He's not banging around with a 20-year-old.
jordan holmes
John, please come downstairs.
unidentified
John.
jordan holmes
John?
dan friesen
I picture John Rappaport with a slightly domineering wife.
jordan holmes
John Franklin Rappaport III, Michael Rappaport Jr.
dan friesen
I'm doing my research!
I'm up here in my attic.
unidentified
You have been working on this for 20 years now.
You have yet to call Dr. Pies.
jordan holmes
I love my characterization of her as being very analytical in her anger.
dan friesen
I got nothing but respect for her.
She's got to be a saint to live with this man.
jordan holmes
We'll find out.
john rappaport
Listen, I'm the professional here.
Where did you get such an idea?
You must have been reading some crazy stuff somewhere.
We're talking about mental disorders and the medicines used to treat them here.
I'm the pro.
So now we get into valproate and we get into Depakote.
These are much heavier drugs with much heavier potential effects.
And the circus goes on.
And as I read you that excerpt, From toxic psychiatry about the student named Roberta, this could very well be the outcome.
And if it's not the outcome, you've got kids at colleges going all over the place, doing all kinds of disorders.
jordan holmes
They just let them leave and go anywhere!
Those college kids can just go anywhere!
unidentified
They don't even keep them there!
dan friesen
They're going up, down, to the left, to the right.
So he ends this segment, which is just about the end of the special report, by being like, so, you know, he does that long fantasy role play with a doctor, where he's like, hey doctor, maybe these drugs that you're giving me are making me feel bad, and they're creating new things.
No, I'm a doctor!
So that's that long role play.
And then he's like, so, you know, these situations could happen.
They just go up and up and have heavier and heavier medications.
And then you heard that case study I read you from that book from 26 years ago.
jordan holmes
That's how it works.
dan friesen
That could be the outcome.
But if it's not the outcome, you could be on campus being crazy.
You're not making a point.
jordan holmes
He's doing the whole same gateway drug marijuana thing.
He's doing the whole thing.
dan friesen
He wishes that's what he was doing.
He's not even doing that.
jordan holmes
He's not even coming close to that.
dan friesen
He's not making a point.
There's nothing there.
jordan holmes
No, his point is that literally anything can happen at any time, and you should always be afraid.
dan friesen
I fucking respect Scientologists more than this.
Because at least they have the balls to just stand on their argument.
jordan holmes
No, they don't.
They're wrong.
They've kept it secret for a long, long time.
dan friesen
They're not secret about how much they hate psychiatrists.
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
jordan holmes
No, that's true.
dan friesen
That's what I'm saying.
unidentified
Well...
dan friesen
Not their whole thing.
But the argument against psychiatry, I think that they...
jordan holmes
My...
Oh, God.
L. Ron Hubbard.
He wasn't allowed to become a psychiatrist.
And so Scientology was born.
Purely out of spite.
unidentified
And most of it was about how he masturbated too much.
jordan holmes
Scientology is bad.
Most of it is about how he masturbated too much.
Scientology is bad.
But you do have to respect a religion that was not built on anything other than pure spite.
dan friesen
Yeah, sure.
jordan holmes
That's badass.
unidentified
I'm with you.
jordan holmes
Gotta give him credit for that.
dan friesen
I'm with you.
But that doesn't take away from the fact that Batman isn't making any points.
His whole...
If you synthesize his argument, it is that trigger culture, safe space stuff...
jordan holmes
I completely forgot we started with trigger culture.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
There's no way that that has anything to do with where we ended up.
dan friesen
I told you.
jordan holmes
No, that's fucking crazy.
Why did he start with trigger culture?
dan friesen
Because that's where his argument begins with...
jordan holmes
Also, there's no such thing as trigger culture.
dan friesen
Nope.
jordan holmes
No!
unidentified
That's just...
jordan holmes
You fucking fucked up shit happens and then people...
dan friesen
If you're a 70-year-old man who lives in his attic and...
jordan holmes
It's all...
dan friesen
InfoWars, it does exist.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Because all you read is Drudge Report in InfoWars and you see this bullshit version of the world and you're like, oh, look at these uppity blacks who are trying to...
They're so mad that people want to put on blackface.
unidentified
It's a costume.
jordan holmes
I really wish you hadn't said uppity.
dan friesen
It was in character.
jordan holmes
Bums me out whenever, anytime anybody says uppity.
There's no good use for the word uppity.
dan friesen
Unless you're scatting.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Then it's good.
jordan holmes
Unless you're Scatman Carruthers.
dan friesen
Or Scatman John, God rest his soul.
Also, Scatman Carruthers is dead, too.
jordan holmes
He is dead.
dan friesen
There's no Scatman.
jordan holmes
Well, he died at the end of The Shining.
That was a documentary, right?
dan friesen
Let me be clear about this.
If we get to the point.
jordan holmes
Where we can speak to Scatman Carruthers.
dan friesen
No.
If we get to the point where there are enough donations to this show that we can quit our jobs, I will legally change my name to Scatman Carruthers.
Alright.
jordan holmes
I swear to God I will hold you to that.
I will hold you to that.
Look.
dan friesen
I will do that.
jordan holmes
I never wanted success for this more than I do right now.
dan friesen
I'll also get a Scat Dan tattoo.
Frankly, I'm really sweetening the pot here.
jordan holmes
In all honesty, I'm this close to getting a Scat Dan right now.
dan friesen
Alright, so Batman's got to close this out with his sort of synthesis and his conclusion.
Let's see if he does a good job.
See if he really brings it home.
jordan holmes
He didn't.
john rappaport
So I think now we need to find out how many people in Congress are on psychiatric drugs after watching that.
I think that's the next step.
Because...
jordan holmes
I don't think that's okay.
I think that's against the law.
dan friesen
That's related to a clip that we talked about on yesterday's episode.
He's talking about all this crazy bullshit.
It's irrelevant.
john rappaport
Sure not making any sense.
We are nearing the end of this hour.
Takeaways.
The number one mind control program at US colleges is psychiatry.
25% of all college students in the US have either been diagnosed or treated for mental disorder.
This explains...
jordan holmes
Is it the school newspaper?
What's the number two?
What is number two?
dan friesen
The bar that doesn't card?
jordan holmes
I don't know.
dan friesen
What is it?
jordan holmes
The RA, man.
He's really trying to hold you down.
The RA's a bitch, man.
Oh, I can't smoke weed in my room now, huh?
You've never been cool?
dan friesen
Maybe it's the little bodega where you can use student charge to get snacks.
Stuff like that.
Maybe it's that.
Maybe that's brain control.
Maybe.
I don't know.
I certainly used a lot of it when I was in college.
I would go to the student bookstore because I had a card.
jordan holmes
That's it!
The bookstore!
That's where people learn about new ideas.
dan friesen
Oh, that's brain control.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
dan friesen
I would go there and I would...
jordan holmes
Who puts the books in there?
Who watches the book watchman?
dan friesen
Jesus.
I would go there and I would get like snacks and all this junk food and I would charge my student charge card because I knew...
They would show up to my parents' account and it would say student bookstore.
And they would never question that.
Brain control.
Anyway.
john rappaport
And the triggering thing and the home thing, safe space and all of that, it's a combination of I'm a victim, so I can just be victimized by anything.
It's a new world.
I've got a new role to play in the grand scheme.
Or, and, it's the effects of the psychiatric drugs, scrambling brain chemistry.
That make kids do and say the strangest things as they're developing brain damage.
unidentified
As they're developing brain damage.
john rappaport
Not kidding around here, folks.
It's chemical warfare.
It is sustained.
Year by year, generation by generation now, with psychiatry holding a kind of virtual monopoly backed up by the federal government on mental health.
That's where we're at.
unidentified
And this has to be thrown over.
john rappaport
Thrown over.
Thanks, John Rappaport here.
See you next time.
dan friesen
I think he lost it when he was like, this needs to be thrown over.
He just couldn't find the right words.
That's not aggressive enough.
jordan holmes
He ran out of gas.
dan friesen
So, that's the special report, and boy...
jordan holmes
Shucks howdy.
dan friesen
We didn't spend any time really addressing how racist, homophobic, sexist...
Transphobic.
All of it is.
unidentified
No, yeah.
jordan holmes
Basically, his entire argument is anytime people do things that he doesn't think are appropriate behavior, and that includes literally everyone but him and other old white men.
dan friesen
Other groups standing up against people oppressing them.
jordan holmes
Anything.
dan friesen
Degrading them.
jordan holmes
Halloween costumes is just short for...
Literally.
Oh, wait a second.
These kids don't want to use the bathroom gender that they were born with?
Guess what that is?
Psychiatrists and drugs.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
Oh, these kids think homosexuality is okay?
unidentified
Mm-hmm.
jordan holmes
Drugs.
Oh, these kids are black?
Do you know where black people came from?
dan friesen
Drugs.
jordan holmes
Drugs.
unidentified
Melanin pills.
jordan holmes
Yeah, he's a monster.
dan friesen
Yeah, absolutely.
But the other thing that, just on a, because that's, you know, people of differing opinions will have differing opinions.
And someone who hears this and thinks, you know, like, hey, all this triggering stuff is a bunch of pussies and what have you.
Let's even take a step back.
He didn't make any arguments.
jordan holmes
No, he did not.
dan friesen
He didn't have any bombshell.
That was an hour of him...
On the air.
jordan holmes
Meandering.
dan friesen
He had every opportunity to cite actual sources.
He didn't.
We looked into the sources that he did cite.
jordan holmes
And they were wrong.
dan friesen
They didn't say what he was saying.
No.
And the underpinning of his argument is 25% of the population at campuses has a diagnosis, which doesn't mean anything and probably isn't true.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
And if it's not literally true, it's not accurate because a lot of people go to doctors just to get Adderall.
jordan holmes
At the...
At the very least, it is a gross mischaracterization of what the problem actually is.
dan friesen
Yes.
jordan holmes
At the very least.
Now, if you add in all the things we know about him, it is most likely a huge shitshow of entitled white male bullshit.
dan friesen
And bigotry.
jordan holmes
And bigotry.
dan friesen
And then the other step we have to take...
jordan holmes
And I know that because I'm an entitled white male.
dan friesen
We can smell it.
jordan holmes
Oh, yeah, yeah.
We can sense our own.
Because their skin's white.
dan friesen
But then the other piece of it is the advice he's giving or the assessment that he's giving is literally dangerous.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
You and I are both people who have struggled with mental illness throughout our lives.
And I don't want to end this on a sad note.
jordan holmes
I think it's a hopeful note to say that, quite literally...
I would be dead if I had not gone to see a psychiatrist.
dan friesen
That's exactly what I was going to say.
jordan holmes
That's not a down note.
That's fucking amazing.
dan friesen
The sad note that I was going to say is that I have had friends who have killed themselves.
jordan holmes
Yes, we have.
dan friesen
And a lot of it had to do with them not seeking help the way they needed to.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
And that's real.
jordan holmes
It is absolutely real.
dan friesen
When you impugn psychiatry as a whole, what you're doing is a disservice to people who need help.
When you look at it realistically and say, hey, you know what?
There is overdiagnosis.
There's an overprescription.
That's a realistic discussion to have.
jordan holmes
When you see a system that has flaws and you point those out and you search to correct those, that is good.
When you say a system has flaws, so that means every single part of that is wrong, you get the...
Yeah.
dan friesen
And that's why I wanted to cover this.
It seemed a little bit outside of what we normally do, but it's just like, you're such a fucking asshole.
And this is what Alex Jones chooses to put on his show.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
So it is still him.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
It's not like...
It wasn't literally him saying these things.
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
But Alex is...
jordan holmes
He was tacitly endorsing these things.
dan friesen
And for two days he was talking about how this is some of the most powerful, important information.
jordan holmes
God.
dan friesen
And it's not information.
It's nothing.
jordan holmes
We...
Like...
One thing that I do like about this that I do...
Like...
I find this to be a fun thing.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
But occasionally there is something where it's like...
Oh, I think we are fighting this fucking horrifying monster.
Like, Alex Jones is a wackadoo crazy cat.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
That guy is fucking evil in a way that is far less fun.
dan friesen
But thankfully, it doesn't matter because no one listens to him.
jordan holmes
No one listens to him.
Like fucking David goddamn Knight.
dan friesen
The only platform that...
Fucking John Rappaport has is his Angel Fire page, GeoCities bullshit, and then also the fourth hour of Alex Jones sometimes.
And I assume a lot of people turn it off for the fourth hour.
jordan holmes
I would hope so.
dan friesen
But if they don't, I mean, like, this is the kind of bullshit that is being spouted.
That is irresponsible and very dangerous.
It's literally dangerous.
jordan holmes
It's not irresponsible.
It's an active attack.
It really is.
dan friesen
But the attack is irresponsible.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And it's irresponsible for anyone to broadcast that, and I apologize that we just did.
But we did with commentary, so I think it's okay.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Look, anytime somebody broadcasts Fifty Shades of Grey, the movie...
dan friesen
Irresponsible.
jordan holmes
Irresponsible.
As long as we're making fun of it, though.
john rappaport
Great.
dan friesen
Pretty great.
jordan holmes
Fantastic.
dan friesen
So, guys, the bottom line is if you need help, go talk to somebody.
unidentified
Please do.
dan friesen
If you don't feel the diagnosis is accurate, talk to the doctor about that.
You can have a conversation about it.
No one is going to force you down some weird rabbit hole.
If you don't want to take a pill, don't take it.
I mean, that's the truth.
jordan holmes
You have your own agency.
You are a person.
dan friesen
And with the proliferation of the internet being what it is, there's tons of information you can find out about any pill that someone wants to diagnose or prescribe for you, and you can.
You can look it up and decide for yourself if it's a path you want to go down.
jordan holmes
And it's also, you shouldn't diagnose yourself.
unidentified
No.
jordan holmes
You can go into a conversation with somebody thinking that you have a basic understanding of what's going on with you, but it should be a conversation, not a dominant thing from one side or the other.
Nope.
unidentified
Find a psychiatrist who wants to work with you and not tell you what to do, and also don't tell the psychiatrist what to do.
dan friesen
That's the bottom line.
If you're uncomfortable with your psychiatrist, find another one.
jordan holmes
I've bailed on a couple.
dan friesen
Many.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Many in my life.
So anyway, but there's at least four.
jordan holmes
And one of them is named Dr. Pies.
Maybe give him a call.
dan friesen
He seems like a cool dude.
jordan holmes
He seems like a cool dude.
dan friesen
But anyway.
jordan holmes
Knows his shit.
He's the emeritus editor of blank.
dan friesen
Yeah, something.
Yada, yada, yada.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
But the most important thing is if you are feeling bad, there is help that can be found.
And please look into it.
jordan holmes
And talk to somebody.
We love you.
dan friesen
Yeah, we love you.
jordan holmes
The world needs you.
dan friesen
Thanks for listening, Jordan.
I love you.
jordan holmes
I love you.
dan friesen
This has been so much fun.
Fuck the shit out of John Rappaport, universe.
jordan holmes
That's not a literal thing that we're asking you to do.
dan friesen
I hate it.
jordan holmes
He does not look like he would enjoy it, and we don't endorse that.
dan friesen
I hated that that started to come out of my mouth, but you noticed.
jordan holmes
You were trying to wrap up the episode, and then you went into, hey, everybody.
Have physical sex with John Rappaport.
And that's our sign-off, guys.
dan friesen
I think you could see it in my face that I was like, oh no, why did I start saying that?
Oh, Jesus.
Anyway, until next time.
Oh, wait.
You can email us at knowledgefight at gmail.com.
jordan holmes
We're knowledge underscore fight on Twitter.
dan friesen
And now you can find us on Tumblr at knowledgefight.tumblr.com.
Please repost that.
jordan holmes
And we're on iTunes and you can give us a rating.
dan friesen
Thank you to Michael.
Michael gave us a nice five star.
jordan holmes
He did give us a nice five-star review.
dan friesen
We appreciate it.
And until next time, you know what?
We're just a couple of policy wonks.
alex jones
Andy in Kansas, you're on the air.
dan friesen
Thanks for holding.
jordan holmes
Yes!
unidentified
Hello, Alex.
jordan holmes
I'm a first-time caller.
unidentified
I'm a huge fan.
I love your work.
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