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Feb. 13, 2017 - Knowledge Fight
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#11: February 10, 2017

On today's episode, Dan explains what went down on the Feb 10th episode of the Alex Jones Show. Topics covered include: What percent of blackface is done "reverently?" Was the Civil War a false flag? Has Alex gotten any better at media criticism? Did Alex just commit a crime on air?

Participants
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a
alex jones
18:55
d
dan friesen
46:54
j
jordan holmes
41:58
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g
gavin mcinnes
00:28
m
maxine waters
00:45
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nancy pelosi
00:09
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Speaker Time Text
alex jones
Andy in Kansas, you're on the air.
Thanks for holding.
unidentified
Hello, Alex.
I'm a first-time caller.
I'm a huge fan.
I love your work.
alex jones
I love you.
dan friesen
Hey, everybody.
Welcome back to Knowledge Fight.
I'm Dan.
jordan holmes
I'm Jordan.
dan friesen
This is a show where I have watched way too much InfoWars, and Alex Jones in particular, and I sit down with my friend Jordan, who has no goddamn clue what he's talking about.
Jordan, how are things?
jordan holmes
They're doing good.
dan friesen
Before we get to the business at hand, which today we're going to be going over the February 10th episode of the Alex Jones Show.
That was last Friday as this comes out.
Okay.
unidentified
But before we get to that, there's a couple little bits of business we need to take care of.
Absolutely.
First of all, got a big old shout out.
jordan holmes
To at Randomly Susanna.
dan friesen
On Twitter.
What's up, Susanna?
Thank you so much.
jordan holmes
She made something very cute and very beautiful and it made me cry.
dan friesen
Yep, that's right.
We got a cuck over here.
We've got a pussy libtard That is me.
jordan holmes
That is me.
dan friesen
She made us a very nice...
Drawing for a logo.
Very awesome.
Thank you so much.
Really appreciate it.
You can find that up on our new Tumblr, which is knowledgefight.tumblr.com.
That's another announcement.
I had another announcement, but I forgot what it was.
jordan holmes
It was regarding the David Knight episode.
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
dan friesen
We'd like to make a big apology that we put you through that.
jordan holmes
I know plenty of you voiced your support.
dan friesen
I did hear from at least three people that that was bullshit.
jordan holmes
Okay, good.
Then plenty of you did not voice your support, and we agree with you.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Listen, David Knight's a boring man.
We get it.
jordan holmes
So boring.
dan friesen
But we're back in the greener pastures of the real, straight, hundred-proof Alex Jones territory.
jordan holmes
The ever-clear of Alex Jones.
dan friesen
What I like to do is I like to sit down and try and figure out...
jordan holmes
And he will buy you a garden.
unidentified
Oh.
dan friesen
He'll buy you a new life.
jordan holmes
He'll buy you a new life!
dan friesen
Yeah.
What I like to do is I like to sometimes try and figure out what the plot of a show is.
Because a lot of times Alex Jones has something that's going on in his mind, and it sort of bleeds into every aspect of...
It becomes the narrative of the show.
And this show...
I really struggled with what it was, and I can't really find a synthesis.
And now I actually regret that I brought up the idea that there was no divorce.
jordan holmes
So you just negated your entire premise there.
dan friesen
I promise I didn't.
jordan holmes
Because if you think back to most of our shows, you can say yes and no half the time, right?
There's a 50-50 proposition.
dan friesen
I promise I didn't.
I'm trying to figure out a way to articulate this.
I'm about to play a clip, and I want you to let it play.
Let's just listen to it.
Because he plays it.
Three times.
jordan holmes
Oh, wait, what?
dan friesen
He plays this clip three times.
jordan holmes
Back to back to back?
dan friesen
No, no.
Throughout the show.
jordan holmes
Oh, okay.
dan friesen
And for the last week, he's played it a whole bunch.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
And it's just insanity.
He loves this clip.
And it's just propaganda.
jordan holmes
It's Russell Westbrook dunking on the guy, right?
unidentified
I wish it was.
jordan holmes
He loves that clip.
dan friesen
No, it's that gorilla drinking its own piss.
Let me play it.
It's about...
It's a kitten that thinks it's a person!
It's about how fucking stupid Democrats are.
jordan holmes
Alright.
dan friesen
And we'll get back and I'll explain why I hate this clip so much in a minute.
Oh, also, this is how he opens the show.
jordan holmes
He has the 5-4-3-2-1 silent movie era.
dan friesen
So, just to let you know, this is how the fucking entire show opens.
jordan holmes
Oh, every time?
dan friesen
No.
Well, that, yes.
jordan holmes
Oh, okay.
dan friesen
But this clip is how he opens Friday's show.
jordan holmes
Oh, okay, okay.
dan friesen
So, just cold open.
jordan holmes
Gotcha.
unidentified
This is an island that at its widest level is, what, 12 miles from shore to shore, and at its smallest level, or smallest location, it's seven miles between one shore and the other.
Is that correct?
I don't have the exact dimensions, but to your point, sir, I think Guam is a small island.
My fear is that the whole island will become so overly populated that it will tip over and capsize.
*music*
maxine waters
I stand here as a freed slave.
jordan holmes
That's how we open our show!
nancy pelosi
I can work with President Bush on, and I'm disappointed because I thought that there might be some interest because of what he said in the campaign.
maxine waters
What are we going to do?
How can a president who is acting in the manner that he's acting, whether he's talking about the travel ban, the way that he's targeting Muslims, or whether he's talking about his relationship to Putin and the Kremlin, and knowing that they have hacked our DCCC and DNC, and knowing that he is responsible for supplying the bombs that killed...
unidentified
What is Aleppo?
maxine waters
Yeah, in Aleppo.
unidentified
You are correct.
maxine waters
The fact that he is wrapping his arms around Putin while Putin is continuing to advance into Korea.
unidentified
Stop it.
Bing, bing, bong, bong, bing, bing, bing, bing.
alex jones
Stop it.
I've decided we're ending all videos now with bong, bong, bing, bing, bong, bong.
Goddammit!
You have a better president than somebody like Trump.
So hilarious.
jordan holmes
Alex, why did you ruin that for me?
unidentified
So...
I had fun with that, and then he did the thing!
jordan holmes
Then he did the racist thing!
I was enjoying every moment of that.
dan friesen
I don't know if it was necessarily racist.
jordan holmes
How is that not racist?
dan friesen
It's a video of Trump sort of pretending to play xylophone.
Bing bong, bing bong, bong, bong.
jordan holmes
Alright.
dan friesen
I don't know what the context of that clip is, but I know what the context of the other clips that he plays are.
jordan holmes
Gonna have to go racism.
dan friesen
And now here's what I want to say.
A hundred percent.
So that's a clip of, I don't know who the senator is who talks about Guam, but he wasn't literally talking about it tipping over.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
It was metaphor.
It was creative license, somewhat.
jordan holmes
Alex does not accept that from anybody but Alex.
alex jones
No.
jordan holmes
Now, furthermore, that is hilarious.
dan friesen
Sure, sure.
jordan holmes
That would be a funny clip.
dan friesen
I'm worried.
jordan holmes
And frankly, in the context of American history, it is not that far out of what we're used to.
unidentified
No.
jordan holmes
I mean, even John Quincy Adams thought the earth was hollow.
dan friesen
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
So, you know, I would buy it.
dan friesen
There's a lot of weird beliefs that a lot of people have held.
jordan holmes
Republicans don't believe climate change is real.
I buy it.
That's less crazy than Guam tipping over.
dan friesen
This guy doesn't think that.
But then, the other clip is Nancy Pelosi accidentally saying Bush when she meant Trump.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Which is just a slip of the tongue.
unidentified
Eh.
dan friesen
But then the other ones are...
jordan holmes
She was talking about her Bush.
dan friesen
One senator saying, or a representative, I'm not entirely sure, saying, I stand here as a free slave.
Obviously, that is metaphorical.
Obviously, there's a reason that she's saying that.
She's not literally saying she was a slave.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Then Maxine Waters forgetting Aleppo for a second and then remembering it.
And then saying that Putin is invading Korea.
She meant Crimea.
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Crimea.
dan friesen
Whatever.
jordan holmes
Crimea.
dan friesen
It's crime.
jordan holmes
That sounds like it's in a graphic novel.
dan friesen
Or in a, like, it's the new Grand Theft Auto.
jordan holmes
Oh, he got sent to Crimea.
dan friesen
Grand Theft Auto Crimea.
So, but, like, it's these, it's slips of the tongue.
That Alex has fucking latched onto and made this two and a half minute clip of and he just plays it non-stop.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
He plays it.
We're going to talk about this on the next episode, but he plays it during a John Rappaport special.
jordan holmes
Fantastic.
dan friesen
To illuminate how dumb Democrats are.
jordan holmes
They're so dumb.
dan friesen
And listen, here's the bottom line.
I don't fully disagree.
That Maxine Waters is a little batty.
jordan holmes
I don't disagree at all.
dan friesen
We are liberal dudes here saying, like, she's a little old, she doesn't have a lot of her facts in order, maybe it's time for...
jordan holmes
Also, she's out of touch and part of a democratic establishment that has clearly fucked everything up for us.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
On their own.
dan friesen
But the argument that she actually thinks that Putin is invading Korea, or she actually doesn't know Aleppo, is insane.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Especially the first one.
jordan holmes
Yeah, the only person who doesn't know Aleppo is Gary Johnson, right?
dan friesen
Right, and they play shots of him during that video, too.
jordan holmes
Wonderful.
dan friesen
And also, the rest of it is like a picture-in-picture, so there's like the two shots next to each other.
It's the video playing, and then Alex sitting at the desk.
Alex Jones sitting there, just like...
unidentified
Hmm.
dan friesen
Just making real quizzical faces.
jordan holmes
Having his silent movie acting skills brought to power.
dan friesen
He's doing a silent movie acting real.
jordan holmes
Wonderful.
dan friesen
Yeah, he's trying to...
But anyway, I wanted to play that because that's how he starts the show and how he...
Again, he plays it two more times throughout the course of this show.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
I'm not going to play it each time he does.
But he does it.
He's fucking in love with this clip.
And it's like, okay, look.
jordan holmes
He's proud of it.
They put together a clip.
It's got little backing music behind it.
They edit it.
I'm sure they edit it pretty well, right?
dan friesen
I assume it was Rob Du behind the scenes.
jordan holmes
R-Doo.
R-Doo D-Doo.
But that's not journalism.
Good on him.
Good on him.
They made a good clip.
dan friesen
But again, that's not journalism.
That's propaganda.
Yeah.
Great.
Good way to start your show, dickhole.
He gets down to some substance here, though, in this next clip.
And this next clip is what I would call the first lie of the show.
alex jones
It's known as the Ninth Circus.
80-plus percent of the time.
unidentified
The Ninth Circus.
jordan holmes
The Ninth Circuit judge, I believe, is what he's referencing.
And instead, he uses circuits.
dan friesen
Well, the Ninth Circuit court.
It's three judges.
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
But he's talking about that.
jordan holmes
The ones who saved our asses for a second.
dan friesen
Yeah.
He's mad at them.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Who would have guessed?
dan friesen
What he said there was actually literally the first lie, but he has a bigger lie that's coming up.
That 80-plus percent of the time, their decisions are overturned.
jordan holmes
That's not even close to true.
dan friesen
Well, actually, the truth is it's 79% or so.
jordan holmes
Oh, no shit!
dan friesen
Yeah, but that's not the most overturned court in the land.
They're like number three.
It turns out that a lot of circuit court decisions are overturned.
jordan holmes
Is it an appellate court, or is it the first...
It's an appeals court.
Yeah, it's an appellate court.
dan friesen
It's in the middle, right before the Supreme Court.
jordan holmes
Yeah, right before the Supreme Court.
Now, admittedly...
The problem with all of our court system is that the ideal court system is dispassionate observers of the code of life.
dan friesen
Robots.
jordan holmes
And instead what we have is weird-ass, random...
Ideological bents from our court system.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
So we have a Supreme Court that isn't even really...
Like, it's a useless nonsense thing, right?
dan friesen
It's kind of a game at this point.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it is.
It's maneuvering pieces around.
It's not an actual court.
dan friesen
It's fifth dimensional chess.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
How are we okay with the Supreme Court the way it is right now?
It seems mind-boggling to me.
dan friesen
It's nuts.
But then, I mean, even before the election, you had people like Ted Cruz and other conservatives who were like, well, it's possible that we just never...
If Hillary gets in, we'll just never vote for one.
And then it'll eventually be down to, like, six justices.
And then eventually we can just get rid of the Supreme Court.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
unidentified
Well, that whole system of checks and balances was...
jordan holmes
It was fine whenever people who disagreed with you were in power, but now that you're in power, you don't want that shit.
dan friesen
No, it's an impediment.
jordan holmes
It may stop you.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
I love Trump's complete and utter bafflement by the fact that a court can stop him.
dan friesen
We'll see you in court.
jordan holmes
He's not angry about it.
He's confused.
dan friesen
And enraged.
jordan holmes
Yeah, he didn't understand that that was possible.
Wait, wait.
I signed an executive order.
That means it's law forever, right?
dan friesen
I'm supposed to be king, right?
jordan holmes
Yeah, I'm king.
I'm king Trump.
I'm running this like a business where there's no Supreme Court to stop me.
dan friesen
You know what he needs to watch?
Like, real talk.
jordan holmes
Any reality show.
dan friesen
He seems to love watching cartoons.
Because he did watch...
He had Finding Dory.
They had a screening of that at the White House.
That was on his schedule.
jordan holmes
I'm not going to judge a man for loving cartoons.
I'm a big Miyazaki fan.
Everybody follow along.
dan friesen
Cartoons are cool.
jordan holmes
Cartoons are cool.
Rick and Morty?
Great show.
dan friesen
If we want to go with this cartoon theme, I really recommend that he watch The Emperor's New Groove.
unidentified
That...
jordan holmes
That is a great movie.
Yeah, and it teaches you about- It's a showcase for Patrick Warburton being great.
unidentified
He's so great.
jordan holmes
He's so great.
Oh, he's so great.
dan friesen
But also, we would teach him a little bit about how being a dictator is not really cool, but learning about how the common man really lives is important.
jordan holmes
Important to do.
Now, I would also suggest he watches Schoolhouse Rock.
dan friesen
Rest in peace, Eartha Kitt.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Schoolhouse Rock?
Let's go with Magic School Bus.
That's really important for him.
Pretty sure he doesn't know how the human body works.
dan friesen
Phantom Tollbooth?
jordan holmes
Phantom Tollbooth!
Absolutely!
dan friesen
So good.
jordan holmes
He doesn't even know how tollbooths work.
dan friesen
Bridge to Terabithia?
jordan holmes
No, he can leave that one alone.
dan friesen
Any children's book.
jordan holmes
Jumanji?
He's gotta get on that.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
That's important.
dan friesen
What was Space Jumanji?
Do you remember that movie?
jordan holmes
I thought that was Bridge to Terabithia.
dan friesen
How dare you?
So anyway, let's get back to this clip about the Ninth Circuit Court.
And get to the actual lie.
But the lie of 80-plus percent is a slight exaggeration.
jordan holmes
Well, if it's 79%, he rounded up slightly.
That's not real.
That's not an exaggeration.
I'll give him that one.
dan friesen
But that's not uncommon for appellate courts.
jordan holmes
That's weird.
dan friesen
That's the lie.
jordan holmes
Isn't that weird?
dan friesen
Kind of.
jordan holmes
That seems weird to me.
That's a fact that I just found out that I am not actually comfortable with.
dan friesen
But the reason is a lot of the times when the Supreme Court...
just reject the case.
They just don't take it.
So the appellate court standing rules.
jordan holmes
So the only reason that the Supreme Court would take a case is if there was a significant possibility that it would be overturned.
Okay.
dan friesen
Yes, they don't take most cases.
jordan holmes
And then, of course, the reason that you would go to the Ninth Circuit court is because it is, like, the reason that Washington would go directly to that court is because it is a left-leaning court.
dan friesen
Maybe.
jordan holmes
I'm not entirely sure about that.
It has two judges appointed by Democratic presidents and one judge appointed by the G-dubs.
dan friesen
But what I'm saying I'm not sure about is I'm not sure how it works in terms of standing and what goes to what court.
I'm not entirely sure about that.
jordan holmes
The amount of knowledge I have about that is just enough knowledge to tell people the wrong things.
Right.
Like, I know all the words and then I'll put them in the wrong order and people will believe lies.
dan friesen
I will tell you this.
It doesn't matter.
To the case at hand.
jordan holmes
That is a good point.
We always get bogged down in reality, whatever.
That has no bearing on what we're about to listen to.
dan friesen
Let's get to the real lie.
jordan holmes
Okay.
alex jones
It's known as the Ninth Circus.
80-plus percent of the time.
But Buckley ran in here before the show and reminded me of something.
That's right.
It's the Ninth Circuit that multiple times has overturned lawsuits and agreed with public schools.
Saying the American flag is offensive and cannot be worn on any clothing, period.
jordan holmes
How dare they agree?
alex jones
That's right.
You can wear death metal shirts.
You can wear Satanism shirts.
You can wear Islamic shirts.
You can wear Coca-Cola shirts.
You can wear La Raza, Mecha, Mexican flag shirts.
But you cannot wear the American flag according to the Ninth Circuit.
jordan holmes
I am going to guess, before you say a word, that perhaps you have looked up this particular circumstance and maybe have some information relevant to it.
unidentified
I did.
jordan holmes
And hey, I'm going to go out on a limb.
Perhaps it contradicts what it is that Alex Jones was saying.
dan friesen
Yeah, you're bingo.
jordan holmes
Really?
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Who would have guessed?
That's never happened before.
dan friesen
The Ninth Circuit Court did rule an agreement.
With a lawsuit that was presented about people wearing the American flag.
That part is true.
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
What ended up happening was they ruled that people couldn't wear the American flag under a certain circumstance, which I will explain in a moment.
And then the Supreme Court refused to hear the case because they were like, no, this is fine.
So what the actual case was was about people wearing the American flag on Cinco de Mayo.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
Now here's why.
jordan holmes
Alright.
That seems automatically a little bit of like a, hey, we're reacting to your thing.
dan friesen
The controversy goes back to May 2009, an incident between two groups of students at Live Oak High School.
At a school-sponsored Cinco de Mayo event, a Mexican-American student walked around campus with a flag of Mexico, and other students flew a makeshift United States flag in response and chanted at the flag-bearing students.
Students on both sides complained about the incident.
A year later, several students came to school on Cinco de Mayo wearing American flag shirts, and school officials told the students to remove the American flag shirts or turn the shirts inside out.
The educators said the American flag shirts could send a message that would offend the Cinco de Mayo celebrants, and they had public safety concerns.
So what ended up happening was there was essentially standoffs between Cinco de Mayo celebrants and kids aggressively wearing American flag apparel at them on Cinco de Mayo.
jordan holmes
Why can't people just have nice stuff?
Why can't you just be cool?
dan friesen
Why can't you just allow people to have their fun?
jordan holmes
Why can't you just be cool one day?
dan friesen
Yeah, why can't you just...
jordan holmes
Like, even then.
Like, look.
I get it.
You're a white nationalist motherfucker.
dan friesen
In high school.
jordan holmes
In high school.
Which, look, you're probably going to grow out of it.
dan friesen
Hopefully.
jordan holmes
Hopefully.
It's time to pray.
Hopefully you'll grow out of it.
But even if you're a white nationalist, just, like, take a day off, man.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Just be like, hey, you guys have your thing.
I'm going to try and oppress you 364 days of the year, but I'm going to give you this one.
dan friesen
The problem with that philosophy, though, is that Cinco de Mayo is war day.
Because it's even more on for them.
It's like, I have to be even more American on this day against your...
Presumably anti-American Mexican flag.
jordan holmes
Why do we even have people?
dan friesen
I don't know.
jordan holmes
Can't we just not do that?
dan friesen
It's insane.
jordan holmes
We have too many.
dan friesen
So anyway, the court ruled essentially that the school was allowed to say no American flag apparel on Cinco de Mayo.
jordan holmes
So you mean it had nothing to do with the actual American flag apparel and everything to do with whether or not the school was allowed to say it?
dan friesen
Yes.
And the reason was for the protection of Both the Cinco de Mayo celebrating students and the kids wearing the American flag stuff.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Because it was a situation where they deemed like, okay, there were fights that broke out.
There was conflict.
Let's just not allow people to have this fight.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
You're in a school.
jordan holmes
Now, as far as the conversation over, and this is exactly what the Muslim ban thing happened there.
The reason that they issued that stay on whether or not they could reinstate it immediately is not because they agree or disagree with what was going on.
It is not because they say, you can't do this or that.
It's because he did it wrong.
It's because the executive order was written in such a way that it's impossible to take it any other way as a religious situation.
Sure.
unidentified
So if he had written it much more, like if he had taken his fucking time on it, like my constant thought about Trump is whether or not you agree with what he's trying to do, he's bad at doing it.
dan friesen
He's bad at follow through.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
unidentified
like if Obama was Obama if he was going to instigate a Mm-hmm.
jordan holmes
Right?
And he wouldn't do that because he's a secret Muslim.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
He wouldn't do that.
unidentified
We all know that.
jordan holmes
But imagine he did.
He would spend months on it.
He would have his lawyers go through word by word.
Can we take this through the court system?
Because I don't want to waste everybody's time and money on sending it through the court system and spending all of this time going, yes, you can, no, you can't, and yes, you can't.
dan friesen
And the only end result is we galvanize the opposition.
jordan holmes
Yeah, he would try really hard to actually make it work.
dan friesen
Because of competency issues.
jordan holmes
Trump has no issue with that.
It seemed like they wrote, like, hey, no Muslims on a page, and he signed it.
dan friesen
It might as well have been that Trump rights meme.
It might as well have been that sort of thing.
But then also, the other thing in that ruling was that non-citizens have standing and due process rights.
jordan holmes
Which is very important.
dan friesen
But I think it's something that we all believed already.
Well, not all of us.
jordan holmes
No, definitely not all of us.
unidentified
Well...
jordan holmes
But the root of that is, most of us believe people are people.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Like, the Declaration of Goddamn Independence doesn't say, we believe, you know, folks are...
We believe American citizens, you know, all men.
All men.
All men are created equal.
dan friesen
In the eyes of God.
jordan holmes
Not women.
That is a problem.
They should have added that.
dan friesen
Sure.
But it also very clearly stipulates that rights aren't given by the government.
They're given by our creator.
unidentified
Right.
jordan holmes
Which I also have problems with, but whatever.
dan friesen
But it's like AA.
Your creator is you understand it.
jordan holmes
That's a lie for that.
Which, again, that's kind of the whole point of America, is that we can't have a state religion.
dan friesen
Sure.
But human beings have rights because of just being humans, not because a state gave them rights.
Therefore, to my understanding and my belief, if you...
Or someone who isn't a citizen, we still can't treat you like shit.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
You're a person.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Your rights are granted by God, not by America.
Just because you're in our confines doesn't mean shit.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Well, the greatest point is always that a government cannot give you rights, they can only take them away.
dan friesen
Right, right, right, right.
jordan holmes
That's always the starting point for any conversation.
dan friesen
Ten fucking years ago, Alex would have agreed with you.
Very seriously.
jordan holmes
Well, he also would have been concerned about Putin ten years ago.
dan friesen
Two things.
I posted a couple of articles on our Twitter, on the Knowledge Fight Twitter.
One was an article about Alex Jones' former editor, Ken Nimmo, who came out and called him a sellout.
And if anyone knows how to get in touch with him, tell him to hit us up, because I'd love to talk to him.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Second thing...
Do you remember back when Alex was talking about how there was going to be...
jordan holmes
Concentration camps in airports?
dan friesen
No, that was 17 years ago.
He gave a report from the road, and he was talking about how there was a tape that was going to come out of Trump saying the N-word on The Apprentice.
jordan holmes
Yes!
Yeah, yeah, that weird-ass report that he gave on the road where he was maybe drunk.
dan friesen
Yeah, on a plane.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
I did a little digging.
I found a story about this guy named Marcus Muir, a 27-year-old marketing professional from Glasgow who found out that Paul Joseph Watson, the editor of PrisonPlanet.com...
jordan holmes
PJ Dubs.
dan friesen
He hates SJ Dubs.
He found out that guy's DMs were open.
And so he...
Just sent him that story.
jordan holmes
Oh, he just started making shit up and threw it at his face.
That's right!
Yeah, InfoWars is publishing fake news.
dan friesen
As a prank, he just sent him all this bullshit and then went to bed, woke up the next day, and it was on their site.
Quoting him verbatim.
jordan holmes
What a great day for him.
dan friesen
On our Twitter, I posted a link to this story, and you can see there's screenshots of him interacting with PJ Dubs.
And it's insane.
It's so fucking awesome.
It's just legit.
You're busted.
You're busted.
You fell for it.
And I looked into it.
I looked to try to find that story.
It has now been taken down from Infowars.com.
jordan holmes
At least they did that, because half the time they don't even fucking bother.
dan friesen
Well, they took down all that pizza game stuff until now.
jordan holmes
Fox News still had that it was a Muslim dude who shot up the...
The mosque in Canada for like 24 hours.
dan friesen
Alex has said that within the last three days.
jordan holmes
Of course he did.
Because why tell the truth?
unidentified
Why?
jordan holmes
It's lazy.
dan friesen
So anyway.
jordan holmes
Lazy.
dan friesen
Let's get to our next clip.
This is Alex talking about how fucking awesome Andrew Jackson is.
alex jones
When I say this, this is not rhetoric.
Okay, this is what's happening.
I've studied U.S. history.
Everybody knows I think Andrew Jackson.
It's probably even more interesting than George Washington.
jordan holmes
Agreed.
I 100% agree.
alex jones
The time the man lived in, he did some brutal things, but if you went and saw Conan the Barbarian movie and somebody did the things that Jackson did in it, you'd say, that's ridiculous.
That's impossible.
It's like The Revenant.
Go see The Revenant that's historically very, very accurate, an amazing film by an amazing Mexican director.
jordan holmes
Again, movies.
alex jones
Andrew Jackson.
Live things like that movie hundreds of times?
dan friesen
He fought hundreds of bears.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
Also, the revenue is Hugh Glass.
That's another person.
jordan holmes
It's an actual, yeah.
dan friesen
That's another person.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
So he didn't live stuff like that.
Another guy did.
jordan holmes
Hugh Glass lived that.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
In specific.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Now, I'm going to disclose this.
As a stand-up comedian, I actually do material about...
Andrew Jackson.
dan friesen
You got a bit?
jordan holmes
I have a bit.
dan friesen
Would you like to workshop this bit on our audience?
jordan holmes
No, it's done.
It's a good bit.
I do it a lot.
I'm not going to waste a bit on this.
dan friesen
People might have some notes on Twitter.
jordan holmes
I don't need your fucking notes.
Come to a show, you'll laugh.
Or not.
I get paid either way.
dan friesen
This is a public service now.
Jordan Holmes is a very funny comedian.
You should go see him live.
jordan holmes
Sure.
So I will point out my conflict of interest in lionizing Andrew Jackson.
dan friesen
Fair enough.
jordan holmes
But I will say this.
Andrew Jackson is one of the most interesting American presidents in history.
dan friesen
Right.
Bad people can be interesting.
jordan holmes
Not because he was a good president.
He was very, very bad at being president.
dan friesen
Also, this clip goes on a lot longer where Alex actually gets into the specifics.
Do you want to listen to this before you rebut?
jordan holmes
Okay, I will tell my favorite Andrew Jackson story, and I guarantee that he will not get into it.
dan friesen
He might.
jordan holmes
I guarantee he won't.
dan friesen
All right.
jordan holmes
Okay?
Here's how I know this.
dan friesen
If he does, just ahead of time, you owe me a dollar.
jordan holmes
I will shut up.
You turn my mic off.
Okay, I'll buy it.
I'll give you a dollar.
When Andrew Jackson moved into the White House, he had a party that lasted multiple weeks.
dan friesen
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
People were jumping out of windows, many broken windows.
But the best part, there was a wheel of cheese.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
The size of a man.
dan friesen
I know about this story.
jordan holmes
And it just sat out on the White House lawn.
dan friesen
Forever.
jordan holmes
In D.C. Forever.
For weeks.
dan friesen
Like, essentially his entire presidency.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
And that is the quintessential Andrew Jackson story.
dan friesen
You're correct.
He does not get into that.
alex jones
And survived when nobody else did.
He was completely charmed.
He had luck that no one could even deal with.
When he was down there as a colonel battling the British in New Orleans, they had ships only a few hundred yards away with hundreds of men shooting at him in cannons for over a day.
And he had to stand up on this big makeshift blockade they put on the road, and they couldn't kill him.
They were shooting people all around him, and he stood there in a big black fur coat, just staring at him with his eyes in the night.
It was like a specter completely broke their will.
Nobody talks about Jackson.
No movies are made about him.
But notice, in the White House, there is a bust of Jackson.
On a horse, and then there's a big painting right behind Trump of Andrew Jackson.
He's the guy that killed the early Federal Reserve they had then.
He's the guy that survived more than 15 duels.
I mean, it's so crazy the stuff Andrew Jackson did, it'll make your head spin.
jordan holmes
It will!
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Completing a genocide is one of those things.
dan friesen
He didn't complete it.
jordan holmes
He really tried hard.
He went for it.
dan friesen
It wasn't for lack of trying.
jordan holmes
Yeah, the Trail of Tears.
That's one of the reasons he's clearly lionizing Andrew Jackson right now is because he was one of the last presidents to literally go up to the Supreme Court and say, I'm going to do it anyway.
dan friesen
Yeah, fuck you.
jordan holmes
Yeah, exactly.
unidentified
I'm a man.
jordan holmes
Yeah, he was the last.
Well, he wasn't the last president, but he was one of the main presidents.
Who tried to break the whole checks and balances system.
He tried to become king.
dan friesen
Well, if you believe in this narrative of the elders of Zion and the Illuminati and the federal banks, if you believe all of that, there is something to be said for Andrew Jackson because he did try and stop the Federal Reserve.
jordan holmes
He tried to stop everything, which it is like, okay.
It's pointed out frequently.
That Andrew Jackson tried to bring us back to the gold standard, and yet he is on the $20 bill.
Not anymore, right?
dan friesen
We're getting close.
jordan holmes
We're getting close to that.
We're not there yet.
But he is still on the $20 bill.
So it's pointed out that it is ironic that he hated paper money so much and yet wound up on it.
dan friesen
Fiat currency.
jordan holmes
Do you think that is purposeful shade?
dan friesen
No.
jordan holmes
You don't think so?
dan friesen
No.
jordan holmes
How could it not be, though?
dan friesen
I don't know.
jordan holmes
What person working in the Treasury was like, let's put Andrew Jackson on as a memorial.
Without knowing any history of Andrew Jackson.
Just somebody completely ignorant of Andrew Jackson knowledge.
dan friesen
Maybe they knew only the stuff that Alex Jones knows.
The stuff about him...
jordan holmes
Killing Indians?
dan friesen
Him standing up on top of a ship and menacing people.
jordan holmes
Look, he was a menacing-ass dude.
dan friesen
All these duels.
jordan holmes
He won all of his duels.
dan friesen
Which were mostly about how his wife was a whore.
jordan holmes
He beat a man to death.
Almost.
He almost killed a man.
dan friesen
You're thinking of Don King.
jordan holmes
I am always thinking.
Well, they have very similar hair.
dan friesen
Alright, so this clip goes on a little bit.
He says something at the end of this that's buck wild.
alex jones
Let me tell you, George Washington's life was charmed and unbelievable as well, but...
jordan holmes
True.
alex jones
I gotta tell you, he's easily, easily dwarfed by Andrew Jackson with the sheer magic providence.
jordan holmes
Okay.
alex jones
And also toughness, like he'd get stabbed in duels, shot in duels, bleed for three days, blood everywhere, through his organs, wouldn't die, would refuse to die.
It was crazy.
By the time he was an old man, he would just like drink big containers of like arsenic and lead just to get up in the morning.
I mean...
That's what they did back then.
He was wild.
dan friesen
But now this clip takes a turn into the most fun direction of...
Oh, wait, no.
Sorry, that's the next clip.
jordan holmes
That's the next clip.
dan friesen
Sorry.
jordan holmes
As far as...
alex jones
Somebody really should do a profile on Andrew Jackson because he was something else.
And the fact that...
Trump's done his research and is modeling himself after Andrew Jackson sends horror into the guts and spines of the enemy.
jordan holmes
For good reason.
dan friesen
He also says that Washington was the first.
He gave birth to the Republic.
And then Andrew Jackson was the second father of the Republic.
Trump is going to be the third.
jordan holmes
Alright, that's him picking and choosing right there.
dan friesen
Oh boy.
jordan holmes
Although, I will say the Muslim man is the closest corollary to the Trail of Tears that we have right now.
dan friesen
Probably, yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
I would actually, yeah.
dan friesen
So his analogy is not super off.
jordan holmes
No, it's not off.
The problem is he's choosing one of the worst American presidents in history as the shining light of America.
dan friesen
Just because of the singular point that he tried to stop the Federal Reserve.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
That's the only thing that's really important.
Because he does buy into the Elders of Zion narrative.
He does buy into this idea of these crypto bankers who are just trying to manipulate everything and destroy us.
Trying to turn us into slaves.
jordan holmes
It's not too far wrong.
That's the problem with bankers.
They are evil.
It's just not race-based.
dan friesen
Today, we need to talk about what's on our plate.
And what's on our plate...
jordan holmes
Is more Andrew Jackson?
dan friesen
No.
Although it's close.
It's some weird ideas about the Civil War.
jordan holmes
Oh, boy.
alex jones
British intelligence tried to get the South to secede, just like they did a few decades later.
Tried to break the country up.
Jackson knew about it as president.
Killed the plan because he was a Southerner.
jordan holmes
Wait, what?
alex jones
And I wish they would have listened to him.
Of course, his...
dan friesen
Wait, what?
jordan holmes
Wait, what?
dan friesen
Why are you confused?
jordan holmes
Wait, what?
dan friesen
What?
What are you confused about?
jordan holmes
Okay.
Continue the clip.
dan friesen
This all checks out.
alex jones
Protégé Sam Houston, president of Texas, and then the governor of Texas when the Civil War was about to start, said, this is a British intelligence setup.
Do not do this.
It's meant to destroy us all.
And, of course, he was removed from office and ceremonially by all the young snot noses that knew everything and set up.
jordan holmes
Oh, those goddamn snot noses.
alex jones
The fact that he's modeling himself after Andrew Jackson.
Who covertly sent in basically the special ops of the day to set up Texas when he was still president.
unidentified
Wait, what?
alex jones
It's amazing.
See, I'm already going into a history lesson about interjection.
Excuse me.
dan friesen
So now...
jordan holmes
I like how covertly is more like he overtly sent an army.
dan friesen
Right, right, right.
jordan holmes
He didn't covertly...
It wasn't like...
Three or four guys like siloed up to Mexico and were like, hey, you want to give us Texas?
How about that?
unidentified
Hey, hey, I got an idea.
jordan holmes
Y 'all like that, Texas?
dan friesen
Hey, Texas.
jordan holmes
No, it was more like, hey, how about we take Mexico too?
Andrew Jackson is the closest president we have to Yosemite, Sam.
dan friesen
Yeah, but then that I'm going into a history lesson about Andrew Jackson means I've run out of facts.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
But then here.
jordan holmes
I don't want to bore you with all of the no more stuff I know about Andrew Jackson.
dan friesen
I accidentally stopped the last clip to introduce this.
But it was the wrong clip.
But now we're in the right clip.
jordan holmes
Now we're in the right clip.
dan friesen
This is the biggest pile of bullshit acting I've ever seen in my life.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
And just enjoy this.
jordan holmes
Does he do an Andrew Jackson voice?
dan friesen
No, but he does.
jordan holmes
Because I don't know how you would do that.
dan friesen
No, it's over.
The Andrew Jackson part is over.
But he does space work.
unidentified
Ooh!
dan friesen
It's like bad improv.
alex jones
But let me now just break down the big news here for you.
I have some phone calls coming in that I just cannot ignore.
Yes, hello?
Hey?
Hey, good.
Listen, I'm on the air.
I'm going to have to call you back, okay?
jordan holmes
Mom?
alex jones
Mom?
You can't ignore those calls out of D.C. and New York.
unidentified
What?
jordan holmes
No!
unidentified
Fuck you!
jordan holmes
Bullshit!
dan friesen
What's great is that the angle of...
jordan holmes
That was his mom.
That was his mom.
dan friesen
No, there wasn't even a call.
jordan holmes
There wasn't even a call?
dan friesen
The angle of his phone on the video, you can see that his screen is still black.
There's no indication that a call is coming in, and he just puts it up to his ear.
Like it's improv space work.
jordan holmes
Wait, so it's actually his cell phone?
dan friesen
Yes, it's an iPhone.
jordan holmes
Wait, he has his phone on set?
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
He is doing a radio show and he has his phone on the set right there.
dan friesen
No, it's sort of, you know how like Stephen Colbert or Jon Stewart would have food under the table that they'd use as a prop?
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
It's like that.
He has his phone that he just grabs and he's actually saying like, I'll call you back after he's taken the phone away from his face.
It's like, there's no way.
You're not on a call.
This is planned.
jordan holmes
So wait.
dan friesen
This is so planned.
jordan holmes
But what was the plan?
dan friesen
The plan is to make it look like he has insider sources calling him.
jordan holmes
Oh, so he wasn't...
That was just really bad lying.
dan friesen
That was just a bit.
Yeah, absolutely that was a bit.
jordan holmes
Who would have been on the other end of that call if it was a DC or New York source?
dan friesen
Jerome Corsi, maybe?
jordan holmes
So somebody's on the other end of that call.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
They have no idea, one, that...
He does this show at the same time every goddamn day!
dan friesen
Let's also consider that he doesn't have their number saved.
jordan holmes
It's just a call out of New York or D.C. Also, they're calling him, not texting him.
dan friesen
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
Alright.
dan friesen
What bullshit.
jordan holmes
That is amazing.
Serious bullshit.
dan friesen
Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
jordan holmes
He might as well have said that's his girlfriend from Canada calling and you wouldn't know her.
dan friesen
No, yeah.
jordan holmes
She's a model.
No big deal.
dan friesen
She's really cool, though.
jordan holmes
She's super cool.
dan friesen
She's like down to earth.
jordan holmes
We love talking.
We just talk.
dan friesen
And she loves books.
jordan holmes
Oh, yeah.
You guys ever read books?
dan friesen
All right, Jordan.
This next clip.
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
Ah, boy.
You know how Alex likes to do media criticism?
jordan holmes
I love it when he does media criticism.
dan friesen
This next clip is another example of him.
jordan holmes
I assume the only thing he criticizes is always going to be Transformers and Cookie Monster, correct?
dan friesen
I wish.
I wish.
This is a clip from CNN about how Putin is involved in, like, Marie Le Pen's...
He is!
jordan holmes
Isn't that crazy?
dan friesen
It is pretty crazy.
jordan holmes
It's pretty crazy.
Sure seems like he's trying to infiltrate every member of NATO and influence the outcome in order to bring in nationalistic weirdos.
Isn't that crazy?
It is crazy.
dan friesen
Yeah, but Alex thinks that's a bunch of oompus bumpus.
And he hates that.
And this is his critique of a CNN clip about that very story.
jordan holmes
The British intelligence...
In the Civil War.
Are we not going to deal with that at all?
dan friesen
No.
jordan holmes
Oh, okay.
dan friesen
Wait, whoa.
Oh, no.
Of course not.
No.
unidentified
All right.
Of course not.
jordan holmes
So he just threw that in and then we're going to bail on that.
dan friesen
Who cares?
unidentified
Immediately.
jordan holmes
We're going to throw that away.
dan friesen
The Civil War was planned by the British.
unidentified
Durr.
Durr.
jordan holmes
But no.
unidentified
Come on.
dan friesen
It's so fucking obvious.
jordan holmes
But no.
dan friesen
And you forgot that in that other clip, he also said, my whole family fought on the side of the South.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah.
Congrats.
That's the exact same thing as people going, like, the Civil War was fought over states' rights.
Sure.
Sure, man.
Don't be an asshole.
dan friesen
I think he might get back.
jordan holmes
It is fought over owning people.
Fuck you.
dan friesen
I think he might get back to this in a later clip.
Wonderful.
So this is this analysis of a CNN clip that is just fucking Alex style.
unidentified
Using similar tactics to how they targeted Hillary Clinton's presidential campaign.
alex jones
So, number one, they never proved Russia hacked anything here.
They called them being on Russian TV supporting Trump some, that that was the influence.
What about the Saudi Arabians?
What about the Communist Chinese?
What about the EU?
What about Hollywood?
What about the whole power structure and Katy Perry and the kitchen sink against Trump and the bitter clangers of the American people and the deplorables?
dan friesen
What about Left Shark?
jordan holmes
What about Bob?
alex jones
See, no, no, it's the Russians.
So now...
If anything ever comes out corrupt about officials here in America or in Russia or anywhere else, the Russians did it.
If corruption comes out in Japan or Mexico, the Russians did it.
If your wife catches you cheating on her, the Russians did it.
You know that Brady and others didn't win the Super Bowl Sunday.
You know that there's a meme out there that the Russians did it.
And it's white supremacy.
I'm not joking.
It's white supremacy because there are a few white players on the New England Patriots, and that's not right.
dan friesen
So he just literally said, I'm not joking, so he must mean it.
jordan holmes
Yeah, he clearly means that batshit crazy shit he said.
dan friesen
No one means that.
No one says that legitimately.
jordan holmes
No, I think everybody means it.
There's a meme going around.
You know how memes are always 100% serious?
dan friesen
They absolutely reflect truth.
jordan holmes
I can't remember any meme I've ever seen that was a joke.
dan friesen
Yeah, never.
jordan holmes
And he's not joking.
dan friesen
No.
jordan holmes
So we know that memes aren't joking.
dan friesen
This goes back to his...
jordan holmes
And we know that the British influenced the Russian Civil War.
unidentified
Uh-huh.
jordan holmes
Wait, what?
dan friesen
Yep.
jordan holmes
Alright.
dan friesen
This goes back to him on Rogan being like, not understanding that people are joking when they say he's Bill Hicks.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Him not understanding that people are fucking around.
If anybody says that the Russians caused the Patriots to win the Super Bowl, they're not really saying that.
jordan holmes
But you always have to be under attack.
That's why the right wing is never funny.
Yeah.
unidentified
Because they always have to be under attack.
jordan holmes
So you can never go far enough to like they don't understand the absurdity of that where it's like, yeah, we know the Russians we know did well.
Uh-huh.
unidentified
So, if it's one thing that they did, which...
jordan holmes
The dirty dossier is now being corroborated.
All over the place.
It's all over the place.
Our government committed all kinds of treason, and we're still just fine with it.
dan friesen
At least Flynn.
jordan holmes
At least Flynn.
dan friesen
He should be in a fucking small town.
jordan holmes
He should be hung.
dan friesen
Yeah, on the streets.
jordan holmes
That's the real thing.
Nobody's committed treason for so long.
He should be hung in public.
dan friesen
At best.
unidentified
At best.
dan friesen
He violated the Logan Act.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
At worst, he should be hung on the streets.
unidentified
Mm-hmm.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Absolutely.
dan friesen
But the dirty dossier.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
It's all pee stuff.
unidentified
No, it's not.
jordan holmes
But that's the thing.
That's the thing.
It's like you can't go too far, you know?
So with the left, the idea is always going...
Not even the left.
Just with fucking funny people.
It's always going to be, this is silly.
How this is real.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
So let's go and put it in different situations.
dan friesen
Let's find an analog.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
And it's even sillier there.
But if you're the right wing, it always has to be attacked.
Otherwise, it's not...
Then it becomes silly.
Then you realize it's silly all the time.
dan friesen
I think that what you're also getting to is that the right wing and the right side of things kind of isn't able, or not able, but they seem unwilling to engage in abstract thinking.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
It's all concrete.
It's all like, these memes say that Russia is part of the Super Bowl.
They must be saying that!
jordan holmes
And as we all know, only the Sith deal in absolutes.
unidentified
Ooh.
Ooh.
dan friesen
I did not know that.
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
This is news to me.
jordan holmes
I do know that.
Well, it's fake news.
It was in Star Wars.
unidentified
Fake news!
jordan holmes
Fake news.
dan friesen
Chi-coms.
So, we haven't even gotten to the media criticism part.
This is fucking bananas once Alex gets to it.
Alright.
jordan holmes
Let's get in.
dan friesen
You know, remember how he started to fucking flex on that Brian Stalter guy?
jordan holmes
Yeah, I know.
Why?
dan friesen
This gets worse.
unidentified
Oh.
alex jones
Can we pull up some of those memes, maybe, where they just type in memes, Russians made the Patriots win?
Folks, the Russians didn't make the Patriots win.
jordan holmes
We know.
alex jones
Islands don't float.
The Russians didn't attack Korea.
Bush isn't still in office.
These are all real things that current members of Congress believe.
dan friesen
Again, he does not realize that it slips of tongue.
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
And not really saying that someone is invading Korea.
She meant Crimea.
jordan holmes
Right.
Whatever.
Which is...
It's not a...
It's an easy slip of the tongue.
dan friesen
It is.
jordan holmes
Let's imagine you were shit-faced on somebody's podcast.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
And maybe you let loose that you believe in 12 Dimensions.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
You wouldn't want that to be held against you.
dan friesen
No.
jordan holmes
Like, you wouldn't want somebody to take that clip and then put it onto a show and talk endlessly about it.
That would be offensive to you, right?
dan friesen
I think that's pretty different.
jordan holmes
It's very different.
dan friesen
But also, I want to say that if...
Your evidence that Democrats are insane are one slip of the tongue in terms of Nancy Pelosi saying that Bush is in office when she meant Trump, obviously.
And then the other, Crimea-Korea, which sound very similar, lapses.
If that's your point and you want to play those clips for a week...
You got nothing.
You have nothing.
jordan holmes
It's like the Jay Leno man on the street interviews where he cherry picks the silliest answers.
dan friesen
That's a subject for another day.
Because he has a man on the street named Mark Dice.
jordan holmes
Oh.
dan friesen
And he goes out there.
unidentified
Mark Dice.
jordan holmes
Why are his names always the best?
dan friesen
They're such good names.
jordan holmes
They're so good.
Like, if the UN had people with names like his, we wouldn't wind up with evil-sounding shit like Agenda 21. It's the propaganda version.
We'd wind up with Dirty Dossier.
dan friesen
It's the propaganda version of porn names.
Yeah.
jordan holmes
That is...
Yes!
Yes!
dan friesen
Rob Dew.
jordan holmes
100% yes.
dan friesen
Leanne McAdoo.
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
Mark Dice.
jordan holmes
Fuckface McGee.
dan friesen
John Rappaport is still fine.
And the last name is fun.
jordan holmes
David Big Dick Knight.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
That's what he's known on the street.
jordan holmes
He has to be known on the street.
unidentified
Anyway, come on.
dan friesen
We've got to get back to it.
jordan holmes
Okay.
unidentified
All right.
All right.
alex jones
What type of drugs are they on?
We don't know.
What's wrong with Nancy Pelosi?
She looks like an ostrich on PCP.
What's wrong with Maxine Harris?
She looks like she's on another planet.
But the Russians did it.
The Russians did it.
Let's finish up the, oh my gosh, the French might want sovereignty.
The French might not want to be part of the unelected EU they never voted to be part of.
The Russians pulled out of globalism as well 18, 19 years ago.
So the only truth that the Russians did it is the Russians started doing it first after they enjoyed 85 years of New World Order, social engineering, robber-baron proto-globalism.
dan friesen
We gotta interrupt this way more than I expected.
jordan holmes
Wait, what?
The only evidence that the Russians did it is that the Russians did it first?
He just said that, right?
dan friesen
He's talking about, again, the kicking out of the oligarchs, that whole narrative.
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
He's talking about that 18 years ago.
That is them kicking out globalism.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
And so they're on the vanguard of this new nationalism movement that is going on.
jordan holmes
Of kicking out...
Globalism.
dan friesen
Right, with Marie Le Pen, the Brexit, apparently the Italians are trying to get out of the EU.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Things like that are all like, oh yeah, this is us just realizing our sovereignty and getting out of unelected international law.
jordan holmes
Except it's all elected.
dan friesen
Well, maybe.
jordan holmes
I mean, you don't get to join the EU if your elected government doesn't say, like, yeah, let's join the EU.
dan friesen
It's a complicated process.
jordan holmes
It is a complicated process.
It takes a long time.
dan friesen
Yeah.
But maybe...
jordan holmes
You don't just jump in.
dan friesen
Maybe what he's saying is that when the EU started, they were grandfathered in because we needed a founding team.
And so, like, France got in on the ground floor.
jordan holmes
I mean, they did need a team that should stop going to war with each other for thousands of years.
That was a really good team to get.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
That was a smart team.
dan friesen
That's a better team than the one that's fighting each other all the time.
jordan holmes
Yeah, right?
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
That team is a bad team.
Like, by the definition of the word team.
dan friesen
Yeah.
I'm not here to say that the EU is the perfect system for the world.
I'm not here to say that UN is perfect.
But I am saying that some sort of international...
Working together is an incredibly positive thing.
And the reason that it's done is because of atrocities that have happened in the past.
jordan holmes
All of the atrocities.
So many atrocities.
dan friesen
And working fucking hopefully that they won't happen again.
That's the reason that international bodies exist.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
And the rise of nationalism suggests more that it's like a pendulum.
It seems like people want...
Atrocities to happen.
dan friesen
Well, the last time, and, you know, the UN was created after World War II.
Yeah.
jordan holmes
As was the EU.
dan friesen
And that was really the last time that nationalism had a really aggressive flare-up.
jordan holmes
Right.
Which was long enough ago that we actually forgot the ramifications of that type of thinking.
dan friesen
Or we pretend that what happened there was fake news.
jordan holmes
Fake news.
dan friesen
You know, we pretend that the Holocaust was fake news, which some people do.
unidentified
How?
jordan holmes
How?
Why are people so bad at being people?
dan friesen
I don't know.
unidentified
You ever wonder what would happen if people were not bad at that?
dan friesen
I don't know, maybe have a utopia.
jordan holmes
How do you deny the Holocaust?
dan friesen
Well, actually, I've done a bit of...
jordan holmes
You've denied the Holocaust in the past?
Actually, I've done a little bit of Holocaust denying in the past.
dan friesen
Let me tell you how it feels.
jordan holmes
I've had a good weekend or two.
I went out into the forest and I denied the Holocaust.
dan friesen
I've done some research into Holocaust deniers, and most of them don't deny that the Holocaust happened, but they deny the circumstances of it.
chambers and mass killings of Jews.
They also believe that the six million number is off.
Okay.
unidentified
Because it was published beforehand.
dan friesen
Before the Holocaust, people predicted that six million Jews would be Okay.
And then six million is now the number.
Oh, is that too much of a coincidence?
That's crazy.
jordan holmes
Okay.
unidentified
So you're squabbling over.
jordan holmes
Okay.
unidentified
Hold on.
All right.
dan friesen
Their other argument that they make is that they weren't death camps.
They were work camps, and then there was tons of aggressive bombing campaigns throughout Germany, and supply chains got cut off, and they didn't have medication and food, so a lot of people who were at slave camps ended up dying.
They weren't mass killed, they just died because of circumstance.
I'm not sure that makes it better.
jordan holmes
No!
dan friesen
No!
But those are some arguments...
jordan holmes
Oh, instead of being put into an oven, you're work to death.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Those are some arguments that are made by Holocaust deniers that aren't like, it didn't happen, it just happened differently.
jordan holmes
Right.
It always comes back to that, as long as you are only looking for information that supports the already crazy thing you think of.
You will continue to believe that stuff.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
So any information that doesn't support that, you just reject out of course.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Because you can always look for more information that supports your dumb shit.
Yeah.
dan friesen
But there's also a great episode of Montel.
jordan holmes
Holocaust Deniers Weekly.
dan friesen
Montel had a great episode about Holocaust denial.
jordan holmes
Oh, really?
dan friesen
Yeah, it's crazy.
unidentified
Montel?
dan friesen
You can find it on YouTube.
It's really good.
jordan holmes
All right, Montel.
dan friesen
Yeah, it's really interesting.
jordan holmes
He's at the vanguard of defeating anti-seminers?
dan friesen
His daytime show used to be fucking hot fire.
jordan holmes
No shit.
dan friesen
Yeah, he was straight up interesting conversations.
He has this daytime show.
jordan holmes
Uh-huh.
dan friesen
He has two Holocaust deniers on there and two survivors.
Uh-huh.
jordan holmes
That's...
Fucking crazy.
What?
What?
dan friesen
What's crazier...
jordan holmes
Did the survivors just beat the deniers to death?
dan friesen
No, what's crazier is it's a civil sort of discussion about stuff, and the audience asking questions is not...
It's not like a raucous, everyone's mad at each other.
It's perspectives being laid out and shit.
It's amazing.
Montel, we need him right now.
I never thought I'd say that.
jordan holmes
A sentence never before uttered on this planet.
We need Montel right now.
dan friesen
That kind of show is amazing.
The idea that you could have people who deny a Holocaust, people who have first-hand experience, on a show together and it doesn't turn into a fight.
It's amazing.
jordan holmes
That is amazing.
dan friesen
I highly recommend you watch it.
jordan holmes
Although I bet the Jerry Springer version of that would have gotten way higher ratings.
dan friesen
Absolutely.
jordan holmes
Way higher ratings.
dan friesen
You know what has terrible ratings?
CNN.
unidentified
Anyway, we got...
jordan holmes
Fake news.
dan friesen
Fake news.
We got to get to this clip.
jordan holmes
Yes.
alex jones
And thank God they've partly struggled free from it.
Are there still big globalist combines in Russia?
Still tentacling back trying to take control of the U.S.?
Absolutely.
Just like there's globalist tentacles inside the State Department trying to defeat Le Pen.
I mean, look at this guy.
The French brace for possible election cyberattacks from Russia?
How about the French brace under EU and Islamic invasion?
And a bunch of fifth-column collaborators shelling out their country where it's so dangerous.
I was reading their tourism's down by like 80% the last three years.
It's a hellhole.
With Islamic jihad people running around who've like mutated and mixed into the whole gangster culture.
It's a joke.
Let's go back to the ridiculous piece.
unidentified
Account of many of these of many of the leading politicians Oh my god, rewind two seconds, just stop.
alex jones
If you're a radio listener, there's this thing trendies do where they basically wear costumes and they festoon themselves and they dress weird This is what the trendies do.
jordan holmes
God, I love him.
dan friesen
So, the video he's playing is this CNN thing where there's this guy, and I got his title here.
He is a cybersecurity expert from Columbia University.
unidentified
Yes.
dan friesen
And he has a mustache and a little...
Oh, no.
jordan holmes
He has like a little Johnny Depp in...
dan friesen
He has like a musketeer going on.
unidentified
Okay.
dan friesen
He has insane facial hair, but it doesn't look terrible.
It looks...
I mean, it's fine.
jordan holmes
He looks like a musketeer.
dan friesen
It's not comical.
But Alex has to fucking latch onto this.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
And he's like, this is what the trendies do.
jordan holmes
Because so long as you have a weird appearance, none of your opinions matter.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Now, enjoy the rest of this, which is just a lambasting of his facial hair.
jordan holmes
Wonderful.
alex jones
And they want to look strange.
I mean, this guy looks like...
What cartoon character does he look like?
Like the character that's in Monopoly?
dan friesen
He's trying to come up with Snidely Whiplash.
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
He never does.
But the guy who's behind the scenes comes up with Snidely and puts him up on there.
jordan holmes
Okay, good.
dan friesen
He puts up on the video, but Alex never...
jordan holmes
But Alex never remembers the name?
dan friesen
Never gets there.
jordan holmes
He didn't go with Pepe Le Pew?
dan friesen
Didn't do that either.
jordan holmes
All right.
alex jones
Or Mephistopheles, who's wearing a black top hat?
unidentified
Mephistopheles.
alex jones
He needs a monocle.
Or is he in the German high command?
But this is what trendies do.
They go, how do we convince them?
They don't trust us anymore.
We've tried info, babes.
Roll out trendies.
To sound real pseudo-intellectual.
Here, here.
Don't interrupt him.
Rewind it.
I mean, I don't hear everything this time has to say.
jordan holmes
Don't interrupt him.
Yeah.
alex jones
So, again, folks.
jordan holmes
I bet we don't interrupt him.
alex jones
The Russians are the reason the Patriots won.
And white supremacy.
dan friesen
Which, again, is not what this guy is saying.
jordan holmes
Nobody believes that.
dan friesen
In any way.
jordan holmes
Zero people believe that.
alex jones
It's like homophobe, white supremacist, Russian agent.
And you can mix it.
Russian agent, homophobe, KKK.
You can interchange those.
Always, though, the same things in different orders.
This is the great intellectual gravitas we're dealing with.
So let's go back to a guy in a costume.
Okay, here he is.
unidentified
Personal accounts of many of these, many of the leading politicians, and also that of their spouses, their friends, their lovers.
I would think all of those would be very rich targets for people that were brought up in the KGB.
alex jones
Okay, pause.
Let's rewind it again.
jordan holmes
Definitely didn't interrupt him.
alex jones
This is what the CIA is filming.
There's all these foppish, effeminate, weak little nobodies that want to just get off on the secrecy and being able to break into your files and be over you in the new Uber, Ober class.
dan friesen
Again, this guy...
jordan holmes
Ober is not a word.
dan friesen
No.
You might have been trying to say Oberlin.
He's probably mad at Oberlin.
But also, this guy isn't in the CIA.
jordan holmes
No.
But he is a foppish little, what, weak?
Why is everybody weak?
dan friesen
He's a pussy.
jordan holmes
Why is everybody weak?
He's a pussy.
dan friesen
Yeah, he's just so mad at this guy's masculinity.
jordan holmes
Yeah, always, always mad at masculinity.
dan friesen
Yeah, and it gets worse.
alex jones
The Uber mention, but then meanwhile, everyone hates him.
And so they just roll out these twits, villains out of central casting.
To act like the Russians are the only people to ever get involved in elections, and that they're the only ones to ever use sex operatives.
And again, if anybody breaks into anybody's computers and there's criminal activity going on, it's not the fault of the criminal or the pedophiles that's in the WikiLeaks.
No, no, no.
It's the fault of the Russians, even though it's U.S. intelligence that leaked almost all of it, and more is getting ready to come out.
So don't worry, my little twit friend.
jordan holmes
Well, one, U.S. intelligence leaked.
What the Russians did.
dan friesen
And the more that's coming out is Flynn being really fucked up.
jordan holmes
He committed treason.
dan friesen
He did.
We knew that in November, too.
We knew that in September.
He was on the payroll.
jordan holmes
Well, we couldn't confirm it.
dan friesen
He was a paid consultant.
jordan holmes
But thank God we finally got to the bottom of Hillary Clinton's emails.
dan friesen
Thank God.
jordan holmes
Oh, I would have been so mad if we didn't get to the bottom of that.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Anyway, he really has got to fucking get down on this masculinity shit.
unidentified
Okay.
alex jones
A lot more is going to be coming out, so let's...
Who is this guy even?
I mean, this guy is unbelievable.
Look at that outfit.
Oh my...
And look at...
jordan holmes
Fake laugh!
dan friesen
Also...
First of all, his fake laugh is worse than Click and Clack, the Tap It Brothers, on Car Talk.
jordan holmes
I am more offended by fake laughs than fake news.
dan friesen
Yeah, me too.
Have you ever listened to Car Talk?
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
Holy shit.
jordan holmes
I don't listen to fucking anything.
dan friesen
It's on NPR.
My parents used to make me listen to it.
As a kid, I was even like, they aren't laughing.
They aren't laughing about mufflers.
What are they doing?
It's so fake.
unidentified
Okay.
dan friesen
And Alex Jones' laugh is worse.
jordan holmes
Like Top Gear.
dan friesen
Yeah, but then the other thing is he's like, look at this outfit.
Guy's just wearing a suit.
jordan holmes
Why would you go after a guy's outfit?
What is wrong with you?
dan friesen
Real talk, he's wearing a suit.
jordan holmes
Just a suit?
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Is it a good suit?
dan friesen
Yeah, it's fine.
unidentified
Is it like one of the, what, Chuck?
jordan holmes
Chuck, what's his name?
The NBA guy?
dan friesen
I don't know, but his tie is like slightly lightly colored.
I don't know.
That's the only thing I think you could say.
jordan holmes
It's a pastel.
unidentified
I don't know.
dan friesen
But anyway, here you go.
Listen to this.
unidentified
Okay.
alex jones
The eyes.
Look at the arrogance.
That guy thinks he is so smart, man.
You know women run from him.
This is a loser.
Oh, fuck you!
Let's continue.
Here we go.
jordan holmes
Fuck you!
unidentified
...account of many of these, of many of the leading politicians, and also that of their spouses, their friends, their lovers.
I would think all of those would be very rich targets for people that were brought up in the KGB system.
alex jones
Hit pause again.
I wonder, does that guy drive like a white van?
jordan holmes
What the fuck?
alex jones
It kind of fits with the outfit, don't you think?
jordan holmes
No.
alex jones
And then like a, kind of like a onesie, you know, jumpsuit or something?
unidentified
White van.
Oh yeah, around the house, that's what he's wearing.
alex jones
Whatever he has, like little animals, little pets and cages or anything.
unidentified
What?
alex jones
What?
jordan holmes
What was that sound?
alex jones
The people.
dan friesen
He's like, we're watching you.
jordan holmes
What was that sound?
dan friesen
That was just weird, vague, threatening.
He was chewing on his pen for a second.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that was weird.
dan friesen
He is just fucking like, we know about you, guy with facial hair.
jordan holmes
Okay, so there was a guy wearing a suit and he had facial hair that was unusual.
dan friesen
I might post a picture of him just so everyone can see he's not wearing a weird suit.
It's very...
jordan holmes
He's not wearing that tax guy from the 90s suit that was filled with question marks?
unidentified
No.
jordan holmes
He's not wearing that one?
dan friesen
He's not wearing the Riddler suit.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Okay.
unidentified
Alright.
dan friesen
He's not wearing a two-two.
jordan holmes
He's not wearing a onesie at all?
dan friesen
No.
No.
jordan holmes
Not a jumpsuit?
dan friesen
He just has weird facial hair.
And it's not that weird.
It's just weird.
jordan holmes
It's just unusual.
dan friesen
Yes.
jordan holmes
It's unique.
dan friesen
Yeah.
He's a trendy...
And clearly he's got a white van, got to accuse him of being a pedophile.
jordan holmes
Okay, how little do you have to do for Alex to accuse you of being a pedophile?
dan friesen
You have to disagree with him.
jordan holmes
Yeah, is that literally it?
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Just like, hey, Alex, maybe don't say that.
What, are you a pedophile?
dan friesen
Mm-hmm.
jordan holmes
Oh, boy.
dan friesen
Joe Rogan's lucky he got off.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I'm surprised Joe Rogan isn't fucking kids right now.
dan friesen
It's because he didn't really disagree with him.
jordan holmes
That's true.
dan friesen
So he goes on to yell more about this clip from CNN about how Putin's real cool, nationalism is awesome, and then I thought he was done making fun of this guy, but he wasn't.
jordan holmes
Oh, goddammit.
How could you not be?
dan friesen
Here's some more about him.
alex jones
And so again, Russia is the big bad guy.
Let's go back to Mr. Peanut or whatever this guy is.
Mr. Creepy.
I mean, let's name this guy.
We need a meme out of this guy.
Who is this guy?
Jason Healy, cybersecurity expert, Columbia University.
I bet you money that Mr. Creepy is a creep.
Look at that guy.
jordan holmes
I mean, Mr. Creepy probably is a creep.
alex jones
Look at how smart he thinks he is.
I mean, this is a joke.
You send your kids to the mental institutions they call public schools to learn at the feet of this guy.
Here, here, here, here.
unidentified
What?
They disrupted TV Mon's television broadcast.
They hacked the Twitter feed.
alex jones
Listen to the arrogance as he has these little scripted lines he practices all day.
As he goes in and sits down at CNN with almost no viewers and then just tries to talk with total confidence.
unidentified
They disrupted LeMans with his precision deadly attack.
alex jones
But we are on to them now.
Anytime corruption comes out.
Don't look at the corruption.
It's the Russians.
And the Russians are on everything.
unidentified
Do you see my little 18th century beard?
alex jones
Let's continue.
dan friesen
That's insanity.
That's so vapid.
jordan holmes
That's nothing.
You know, I really like how he engaged with the guy's ideas and had a policy wonk-based discussion about it.
dan friesen
Certainly a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
It was really more about policy than it was devoid of any conversation about what he said and 100% about how he was foppish.
dan friesen
Yeah, we played twice the guy...
I don't remember his name, but the cybersecurity expert from Columbia University.
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
Saying that loved ones, family members...
jordan holmes
Which, let's be proud of ourselves because we allow his clips to go just a little bit longer than he allows other people's clips to go.
dan friesen
Substantially longer.
But he played it twice.
This guy is saying that those sorts of people would be excellent targets for the KGB.
jordan holmes
They would be.
dan friesen
Yup.
jordan holmes
If I was in the KGB, those are the targets I would pick!
Picking other targets would be a bad idea.
dan friesen
You could find some dirt.
You could find a dossier.
Dirty one.
jordan holmes
You could find a dirty dossier.
dan friesen
And so, like, Alex doesn't engage with that at all.
He just engages with the mustache and weird assumptions about how this guy's a fucking pedophile.
And it's insane.
It's literally...
It's the absence of journalism.
It's not bad journalism.
It's the absence of it.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
It's journalism in a vacuum.
Anyway, let's get to our next clip.
Because I have some fucking numbers on this one.
I'm excited about this.
alex jones
Watched.
Listened.
Consumed our information.
85 million.
50 plus million last week.
You had Joe Rogan's podcast.
That's now about 40 million.
What are they going to do?
They're going to try to say we're all Russians, folks.
It's amazing.
dan friesen
It is amazing.
I'm not going to try and say that he's a Russian, per se, but what I am going to say is that it's weird that he said 50 million people took us in.
If you count Rogan, it's 40 million.
I'm not really sure what that means.
jordan holmes
I don't.
Does that mean that Rogan accounts for $40 million of the $50 million?
Maybe.
Or if you count Rogan, you remove $10 million from the $50 million.
dan friesen
Negative $10 million.
jordan holmes
Negative $10 million if you count Rogan.
dan friesen
But he said that $50 million people took in his work.
Or $85 million, $50 million last week.
Let's break it down.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
Let's break it down.
I know that he's a global show.
I know that everyone can see it all over the world.
jordan holmes
Okay.
Even Russian propagandists.
dan friesen
Let's imagine this just inside the United States.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
And please, extrapolate this to the rest of the population of the world.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
The United States...
jordan holmes
300-ish million people.
dan friesen
If you want to get 50 million people listening to your show, you have to have...
Every single person, every single man, woman, and child in the top 52 cities in the United States, that's still only 49 million people.
To give you some context, that's every city, including Bakersfield, California, and higher.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
Bakersfield, California, and up.
So what you're saying- Every single man, woman, and child.
unidentified
Now just put all that population throughout the world.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
That's how many people listen to it.
I don't believe that for a second.
jordan holmes
In order to get 50 million people, or 85 million people listening to your show, you have to be Johnny Carson 50 years ago.
dan friesen
And even then, I don't think that's the case.
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
And that was back when they had three channels.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
The idea of 50 million people is cool, but it's 50 million hits.
There are artificial hits that happen.
jordan holmes
Of course.
dan friesen
And he always talks about...
jordan holmes
Some of them Russian.
dan friesen
He always talks about these, like, we have all these plays on Facebook.
That's because someone scrolled past the video and it just started playing and they didn't watch it.
jordan holmes
Oh, does that count?
dan friesen
Yeah, it does.
jordan holmes
God damn it.
dan friesen
Yeah, all these things...
unidentified
What's the point?
dan friesen
All these things factor into your statistics.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
And again...
Russian troll farms and shit like that.
jordan holmes
They have troll farms!
dan friesen
Yeah, you have all of these fake numbers that end up happening.
So, yeah, I mean, your 50 million number, there's no way for me to prove what the actual number is.
jordan holmes
No, of course not.
dan friesen
But there's no goddamn way that the entire population of the top 52 cities in America, spread out throughout the world, if you just take all of those people, in the last week, engaged with your content.
No fucking way.
jordan holmes
Absolutely not possible.
dan friesen
Because if that's the case, you're a fucking rock star and you're not.
jordan holmes
Yeah, he would be a billionaire.
dan friesen
You know what would happen?
jordan holmes
He would be a billionaire.
dan friesen
He would not have to sell the things he sells.
jordan holmes
Advertisers would be tearing his doors apart trying to get...
As much onto his show as possible.
dan friesen
But he has integrity.
jordan holmes
He has integrity.
That's true.
I mean, unless somebody, let's say a salesman, convinces him otherwise.
dan friesen
That Y2K is real.
jordan holmes
Yeah, exactly.
Then he'll believe whatever it is he's told to believe.
dan friesen
Hey, I feel like we need to call ourselves out a tiny bit.
Because in that episode where he was giving that fake bullshit about what happened on Y2K, we were too busy calling out all the other stuff around it.
That we forgot to call out that in his story, he didn't even call out that his sensationalism wasn't about Y2K.
jordan holmes
That's true.
dan friesen
It was not about Y2K.
jordan holmes
No!
His entire Y2K episode had nothing to do with Y2K.
dan friesen
Yeah, so we did a bad job of calling him out.
jordan holmes
We forgot about the fact that he had...
Yeah, okay.
dan friesen
That's the problem.
He's a bullshit onion.
There's just layers.
jordan holmes
There's so much.
He's got so much built into it.
dan friesen
Anyway, let's get to the next narrative.
This one is about how Trump could be doing way more.
unidentified
Ooh!
dan friesen
And the things that he could be doing would be...
jordan holmes
Way better?
dan friesen
Horrifying.
jordan holmes
Okay.
alex jones
Donald Trump could have them all arrested, just like...
jordan holmes
Not good.
Not a good start.
alex jones
Lincoln had members of the State Department arrested.
Lincoln had judges arrested and hundreds of newspaper editors arrested because they were in open sedition calling for the overthrow of the republic.
Now, did he go too far?
Absolutely.
Was the North and South played off against each other?
Absolutely.
Did my entire ancestral background fight in the South?
You bet they did.
The point is that he did all that.
One million light years more than what Trump's done.
And hey, Trump's a big old Yankee just like the guy from Illinois was.
Everybody just better get ready because I'm going to back this Yankee.
In the attack on our republic and the attempt to completely overthrow this country.
And make no mistake, those aren't words.
I have read a hundred history books on Andrew Jackson.
I've read probably 15 on Thomas Jefferson.
jordan holmes
He has not read a hundred books in his life.
dan friesen
No, but also...
Him struggling to come up with Jefferson.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Now, as far as the Lincoln...
dan friesen
Are there a hundred books about Andrew Jackson?
jordan holmes
Oh, easily.
Andrew Jackson is so fascinating.
dan friesen
Credible books?
jordan holmes
No.
Well, no.
No.
As far as Lincoln's arresting of judges and journalists, what was published...
Was a fake proclamation that was purportedly signed by Lincoln.
dan friesen
Okay.
jordan holmes
So the journalist then published something that supposedly was said by Lincoln that was supporting the South.
dan friesen
Okay.
jordan holmes
So it was basically while they were at war.
dan friesen
So it was fake news.
jordan holmes
It was fake news, but such that it was sent out to the rest of the world saying, hey, you know.
dan friesen
Lincoln is a rest of the journalists.
jordan holmes
So all the things that Flynn did, it was basically those, but you're a newspaper.
dan friesen
Okay.
unidentified
Cool.
jordan holmes
It was legitimate treason.
dan friesen
Again.
Would you believe that Alex Jones has read more books?
jordan holmes
Let's find out.
alex jones
You're so on Washington, probably six or seven on Lincoln.
Probably read 20 books on the Civil War.
Watched tons of documentaries on PBS.
I mean, I studied it.
I could go into a college with a professor that teaches the Civil War and stand my own with them.
I know what I'm talking about.
I'm not some pseudo-intellectual here.
I'm not bragging either, but I've done my homework because it's so interesting.
And Donald Trump could have...
The people in the State Department who openly worked with Soros in the last few years to overthrow countries, they're now trying to do it here.
He could have them arrested right now.
He could send the Marines in right now to put them in irons and drag them before juries and grand juries for sedition.
jordan holmes
That's unconstitutional.
alex jones
We think sedition is working with, like, the Chinese, even though they are working with the globalists, or the Russians.
That's why they say we're doing this because they want to shut our speech down claiming it's sedition.
When they're the ones involved in open sedition, and big news coming.
Big news coming soon on who the leakers are in the White House.
On Monday, we're putting together investigative reports.
jordan holmes
You teasing bitch!
alex jones
On Monday, we're going to tell you who the leakers are.
jordan holmes
Who?
alex jones
There is a coup at every level against President Trump.
That's why he's racing to cut your taxes, racing to stabilize the economy, racing to Trump up the economy.
jordan holmes
Oh, fuck you!
alex jones
A Trump bubble, which...
He admits it's a bubble, but man, we're trying to blast off as stuff is melting down.
We're trying to get off Krypton here, folks, as it is going down the proverbial molten drain.
dan friesen
There's a lot to unpack there.
jordan holmes
That is a lot of words.
Yeah.
His number of books read is very indicative of what's going on.
dan friesen
Probably about 200 total books.
jordan holmes
100 on Jackson.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
Right?
Six on Lincoln.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
20 on the Civil War.
So only six of the books on the Civil War mentioned Lincoln.
dan friesen
That could be a Venn diagram situation.
jordan holmes
That is a bad Venn diagram.
dan friesen
No, but there might be some overlap.
Like all six of those books might have been also the Civil War books.
jordan holmes
That's what I'm saying.
dan friesen
Yeah, that's not good.
jordan holmes
No, it's not good.
It kind of suggests his focus is on a president who ignored the other checks and balances of the government.
dan friesen
And killed tons and tons of natives.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah.
The Civil War, which his relatives fought on the South.
dan friesen
But it was a British PSYOP.
jordan holmes
It's a British PSYOP.
And then six on Lincoln.
I'm guessing.
Now.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Call me crazy.
dan friesen
You're crazy.
jordan holmes
My thought.
Maybe the six books that he read on Lincoln were not about how Lincoln was a great American hero.
dan friesen
They might be the Holocaust denier version of Lincoln books.
jordan holmes
And there are so many of those.
dan friesen
It's possible.
jordan holmes
I've had a lot of conversations with people who think it was unconstitutional for Lincoln to fight the Civil War.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
Now, that's a really interesting question.
dan friesen
Not to me.
jordan holmes
Neither to me either.
If you really wanted to be a dick about it, though, yeah, you could get into it.
Now, admittedly, if you're looking at the situation we're living in now, I would kind of think that we lost the Civil War because the South really took over, didn't they?
dan friesen
It did rise again.
jordan holmes
They rose again.
We laughed at them for so long.
They rose again.
dan friesen
Let's just get back to Alex.
Here's a clip that is a teaser for our next episode.
This is a teaser where Alex is going to...
jordan holmes
On Monday, he's going to say some bombshell shit?
dan friesen
No, on our next episode, we are going to deal in detail with what he's about to talk about here.
Okay.
But, for now, just enjoy this and imagine what that next episode is going to be like.
alex jones
Rappaport has really found the keys to the kingdom documenting the actual plan to turn colleges into giant mental illness factories.
To make you mentally ill, gibbering idiots so you don't know you were sold, worthless degrees, and to prepare you for assimilation into the corporate Borg system and to make sure you hate families so you automatically self-censor and don't have kids.
So it's basically a death cult, brainwashing, soul-sucking system.
Not attacking you that have degrees.
Everybody knows 90% of the degrees are worthless or actually are negative value because you have to pay for the toilet paper.
jordan holmes
You do.
alex jones
And it's metaphysical toilet paper, so you can't even wipe your end with it.
jordan holmes
I mean, you could.
alex jones
Ravaport's got a big report on that.
He broke down yesterday.
That hour, I listened to that hour last night.
dan friesen
We'll get to what happens.
jordan holmes
I listened to that hour last night.
I was in the shower last night, listened to that hour last night, and I was thinking, it's time to get some power last night.
dan friesen
It's time to pray.
jordan holmes
It's time to pray.
dan friesen
I'm time to pray on this hour.
Also, I'd like to give the world a little bit of insight into me.
The only thing I've done with my degree is be qualified for jobs, and I've done cocaine off it.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
How is it that he gets something so right for the wrong reasons?
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
I agree.
There are so many worthless degrees.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
You are assimilated into the Borg machine.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
There are plenty of times where it...
But it's not a death cult.
dan friesen
No, but this is where...
jordan holmes
It's not a secret...
It's not a monstrous thing.
dan friesen
This is where we get into logic.
jordan holmes
It's just the system that broke down.
dan friesen
Logic is A to B. If A is true, B must be true.
Right.
That's how logic works.
jordan holmes
I believe in that.
dan friesen
It's truth preservation.
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
So you're saying that degrees are worthless, therefore this is a death cult.
And that's the problem for us.
jordan holmes
We get into trouble there.
dan friesen
We agree with A, we don't agree with B. Because A doesn't lead to B. No.
That's how logic is supposed to work.
Your premises lead to the conclusion.
You have to say, degrees are worthless, and then another thing in order to maybe justify the conclusion of the deathbed.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
And so far, you've done none of that work.
jordan holmes
Right.
So our problem is that he starts from B, well then A must be true.
That's where we all get into trouble.
dan friesen
No, he starts with B, I love B. Now it's bullshit.
But also, this one A thing, I bet people will just sign off on B if they hear A. Yeah, it starts so good.
jordan holmes
It starts so good.
dan friesen
Well, it's that logical fallacy of starting from the conclusion.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
It's what people do a lot.
You already decide what you want to believe and figure out how to justify it.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it's backwards engineering.
dan friesen
But this clip isn't done.
Here's where Alex...
Man.
jordan holmes
Let's find out.
dan friesen
It's so weird.
jordan holmes
Let's do this.
dan friesen
It's so weird.
jordan holmes
What are we going to do?
alex jones
It was just his voice and just his focus and his understanding and his gravitas.
It's just, you know, John Robinport deserves to be a superstar.
I mean, he's popular.
He's a great writer, great researcher, investigative journalist, but he just is a piece of work.
I mean, just...
dan friesen
I do agree he's a piece of work.
But my tone is very different when I say it.
alex jones
John Rappaport.
You know, I want to get more board ops, more people, more folks to run shows, and keep working with GCN.
I'm not in competition with GCN.
I love Ted and love GCN, but more people like Rappaport need daily shows.
The problem is talk radio is geared to three-hour shows.
Someone like Rappaport probably couldn't do that.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it's geared to that.
alex jones
Or doesn't want to do that, but it's just so good.
dan friesen
That fucking dentury-ass bitch could not handle three hours a day.
From his weird fucking attic.
Listen to our next show.
You'll find out exactly why.
jordan holmes
I want to just have a camera on him for three hours a day.
dan friesen
Oh, that'd be great.
jordan holmes
I do not want him to talk into it.
unidentified
No.
jordan holmes
I just want to find out what three hours of that dude's day is like.
dan friesen
What John Rappaport's life is like?
jordan holmes
Yeah, because it's gotta be insane.
dan friesen
Three hours.
jordan holmes
I imagine he just walks back and forth in that room.
dan friesen
His attic?
jordan holmes
Oh, yeah, yeah.
For, you know.
23 hours of every day, and then he talks into the fourth hour of the Alex Jones show.
dan friesen
Get excited for context for what we're talking about in our next episode.
Also, I would say that three hours of his life, he's got a question like, I should hang that painting.
At least twice in those three hours.
Anyway, this will all make sense next episode.
alex jones
He's so informed.
Because when you're really researched like I am, you hear somebody that's researched as well, and they're just so...
Lovingly lay it all out.
It's just soothing to be freed from the bondage.
With me, it's more like a desperate barking dog trying to warn people about the enemy breaking into the house.
But with Rappaport, it's just like, here, let's remove that mind control.
unidentified
Give me that.
alex jones
Let's just take all that away.
jordan holmes
Take it off.
alex jones
I was very upset yesterday about the New World Order, and I was listening to him driving to a company meeting last night and then driving home, and it was jealous for the whole hour.
And I got in bed last night with a phone and I was listening to it.
I went to sleep listening to Rappaport.
And no, I don't have a crush on Rappaport.
Before those memes start.
I love memes that attack me.
They're so funny.
I actually encourage people to do it.
The point is that that's why the memosphere loves me.
Because we like to have fun.
But Rappaport's awesome.
dan friesen
We'd like to have fun.
jordan holmes
That was such a rollercoaster ride of, I think he's jerking off to Michael Rappaport.
Either.
dan friesen
Either Rappaport.
jordan holmes
I would jerk off to Michael.
I'm assuming he's jerking off to John.
dan friesen
Mighty Aphrodite is a great movie.
jordan holmes
Absolutely.
Then it's, no, I'm not gay.
I would never be gay.
Nobody can be gay who's as masculine as I am.
I don't have a crush on him.
dan friesen
Stop those memes.
jordan holmes
But you know what?
I encourage memes.
I love memes.
The memosphere loves me.
dan friesen
He said the memosphere.
jordan holmes
The memosphere.
My favorite.
My favorite.
I'm going to call it the memosphere from Never Ever Again.
dan friesen
Yeah, that will not take its place in the vernacular.
jordan holmes
No, thank you.
dan friesen
So the next clip, I actually don't know what this clip is.
jordan holmes
Alright, we'll grab back in it.
dan friesen
I've forgotten, but it's good.
alex jones
How dare the globalists get involved in our families?
In the ancient, eternal relationship between men and women?
How much fathers love their daughters?
How much mothers love their sons and vice versa?
Trying to turn the species itself against each other.
jordan holmes
Trump loves his daughter too much.
alex jones
Women.
Believing they're empowered because they see men.
unidentified
What is happening?
alex jones
And then they're so unhappy because they're married to a state that's there to take all their resources away and only give them a culture of death.
Speaking of culture of life, the Surgeon General and the American Dental Association get it right when they say a lot of heart attacks are associated with bacteria that get into the bloodstream and create Plaques inside the arteries and veins and inside the ventricles of the heart because you're first able to have colonies inside the teeth or on the gum line and then get into the bloodstream.
That's why it's essential that you go out and get at least, in my view, three, four cleanings, deep scale cleanings a year.
And then you also brush, in my view, three times a day intensely and floss.
But a lot of toothpaste, obviously, have fluoride or they've got a bunch of garbage or a bunch of silicates that tear up your teeth.
My dad has developed a lot of products in his time and he developed super blue non-fluoride super blue non-fluoride toothpaste that fucking The opening to that clip seemed very...
jordan holmes
You could fuck to the opening of that clip, right?
dan friesen
How dare the globalists get involved with our families?
unidentified
I hate the globalists.
dan friesen
It's 20 seconds of fuck the globalists, our families are important, and then...
jordan holmes
But let me tell you something.
Do you know what people agree on?
Bacteria is bad.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Let me give you a toothpaste.
My dad invented it.
dan friesen
I love that smooth fucking transition.
jordan holmes
He's so good at that.
dan friesen
And he's coming out of a break that was a commercial break.
jordan holmes
No, that was a commercial break that he's coming out of?
Yes.
Immediately into a commercial.
dan friesen
That's why they can sell their shit for free.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Is because they just do their commercials on the show.
jordan holmes
As though it was part of the show.
dan friesen
Yeah, it's insane.
jordan holmes
It's part of the fear.
dan friesen
That probably should be illegal.
I don't know, but...
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Yeah.
You're just selling stuff during your actual show.
jordan holmes
Or at least you should disclose it.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Or at least, let's say...
dan friesen
He does disclose it.
jordan holmes
Let's say if you're, I don't know, some sort of mouthpiece for the government, right?
And you use your position as a mouthpiece for the government to advertise, let's say, the daughter of the president's clothing line.
dan friesen
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
That's probably a crime, right?
dan friesen
Probably.
jordan holmes
That's super a crime.
dan friesen
Probably.
jordan holmes
Is that okay?
dan friesen
I'm not okay with it.
jordan holmes
No.
Me neither?
dan friesen
Now, if Kellyanne Conway...
jordan holmes
Do you think somebody will be punished for it?
dan friesen
If Kellyanne Conway tried to pimp Super Blue...
jordan holmes
I would be totally fine with it.
dan friesen
I would be...
jordan holmes
That would be way more fun.
dan friesen
I'd be blown away.
jordan holmes
I would find that so hilarious.
dan friesen
Alright, this next clip, Jordan.
This next clip...
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
...might be more unethical...
jordan holmes
I can't imagine that.
dan friesen
...than trying to sell Nordstrom shit.
By Kellyanne Conway.
unidentified
Okay.
dan friesen
Because Alex legitimately admits that he's just broadcasting classified information.
jordan holmes
Excellent.
dan friesen
He legitimately, I don't believe him, but he says that's what he's doing.
alex jones
Now, let me tell you what the customs officials really want to do.
And this information is classified, but they classify everything.
And so I'm just going to tell you.
jordan holmes
No!
alex jones
And I've been aware of this for a decade.
jordan holmes
That's illegal.
alex jones
Google has software.
Where you can take a picture of somebody and run it on your computer and it's free software and it'll find that person.
You can also have picture match where it's the exact picture and they find it really quick in seconds and where it came from.
They at the border, when these people have fake passports, they don't know who they are, they want to just take their picture, run it against a database of the internet to pop up that indeed they're really a jihadi on their own Facebook.
Because these people are so arrogant, they'll have their own Facebooks showing they're a terrorist.
unidentified
What?
dan friesen
Facial recognition technology does exist.
jordan holmes
It does, but I don't know if you've known about that, but Google's actually really bad at that.
Like, they don't do a great job of facial recognition.
Now they're trying to make that better because, yeah.
Mm-hmm.
unidentified
at all times.
jordan holmes
Because as we know, we can always trust shadowy secret government agencies to have our best interests in mind.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
But yeah, I don't think...
I don't think...
He's known it for ten years.
dan friesen
And also, what do you think about the idea of him legitimately just saying...
jordan holmes
It's classified, but I'm going to share it.
Isn't that against the law?
dan friesen
It's literally illegal.
jordan holmes
Isn't that why they have classified material?
So you don't share it?
dan friesen
Literally what he just did there is illegal.
jordan holmes
It's illegal.
Do we have laws anymore?
Are we sure we have laws?
dan friesen
If that's actually classified information, that was a crime.
Now...
I'll just flip one for you.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
This is classified information.
jordan holmes
Oh, shit!
dan friesen
I shouldn't fucking tell you this, but this is classified.
jordan holmes
Okay, well, tell me anyways.
Tell me on air.
dan friesen
Listen, the NSA, they think nachos are delicious.
jordan holmes
Do they?
dan friesen
It's classified.
jordan holmes
Like, as an organization?
dan friesen
It's classified.
jordan holmes
Oh, okay.
Well, I don't want you to share that information.
dan friesen
If you're just making up shit.
Then it's not really a crime.
But if he was just literally spouting some shit that was classified...
jordan holmes
And it does sound like if that was real, it would be classified, wouldn't it?
No, I don't think so.
Like, you wouldn't want to share, Pete.
You wouldn't want to share that you could recognize anybody's face.
Also...
dan friesen
No, I don't think so.
jordan holmes
What border is a jihadi coming from?
dan friesen
Canada.
jordan holmes
Canada?
Mexico?
We get a lot of jihadis from Mexico, right?
dan friesen
They're all flying in from Sudan.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
The place where...
Oh, God.
We're all gonna die.
dan friesen
All these millions of jihadis that don't exist in our country.
jordan holmes
All these millions of jihadis.
dan friesen
So this next clip...
jordan holmes
By the way, my...
Okay.
My 80s-style teen car wash comedy would be called Jihadi Car Wash.
unidentified
But it would be H-O-T-T-I-E.
dan friesen
Jihati.
jordan holmes
Jihati car wash.
dan friesen
I like this.
jordan holmes
That would be pretty great, right?
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Women, headscarves, bikinis, they're washing cars.
dan friesen
Huge titties.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah.
The whole thing.
dan friesen
George Soros will fucking find this movie.
I guarantee it.
He loves finding jihadis.
jordan holmes
Either that or that Chinese billionaire who's trying to own a bomb.
Chai Combs.
dan friesen
Fake news.
So this next clip, I want to say this.
Here's a new segment I want to do on the show, which is look out for this word.
Americana, I really think is going to turn into pretty soon.
It's going to be a buzzword.
jordan holmes
It's already a buzzword, isn't it?
dan friesen
But it's going to be worse.
I think it's going to be a buzzword for white nationalism and that sort of thing.
jordan holmes
Not that it hasn't always kind of been a buzzword for white people doing white people shit.
dan friesen
Right, but I think it's going to get worse.
Okay.
And that plays into this clip.
And then also, remember earlier when he told you that Monday we're going to get the story on the...
jordan holmes
Are we going to get to it today?
dan friesen
He just goes ahead.
jordan holmes
Of course!
Of course!
alex jones
People keep asking me, Alex, how do you predict what Trump's going to do before he does it?
Because I've watched what he does.
I've gotten into the mind frame.
Plus, we're both Americana.
We're all Americana.
We're looking at the same journey.
We're driving down the same road together.
jordan holmes
Also, psychic powers.
dan friesen
Also, I fucking love the...
People keep asking me.
jordan holmes
How do you predict?
dan friesen
No one asks you.
jordan holmes
Who asks him that?
dan friesen
It's the same thing.
jordan holmes
Who would ask him that?
dan friesen
Have you ever listened to the Paul Stanley album, the lead singer of Kiss?
jordan holmes
Yeah, I know who Paul Stanley is.
I've never listened to his own album.
dan friesen
There's an album of just his stage patter.
jordan holmes
Oh, that's right!
I know about that one.
dan friesen
It's called People Let Me Get This Off My Chest.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it's like 45 minutes long.
It's crazy.
dan friesen
It's an hour and a half.
jordan holmes
Oh, Jesus Christ.
dan friesen
Twice your length.
And it's just him doing like, what?
Oh, intros to songs.
jordan holmes
God.
dan friesen
And he constantly says, people keep asking me.
And I love just the idea of like, no one asks you this.
jordan holmes
Who is asking you?
dan friesen
No one asks you this.
unidentified
Who is asking you?
dan friesen
And Alex Jones just did that.
jordan holmes
Get into the mind of somebody who would want to ask you that.
dan friesen
People keep coming up to me and they say, they say, Alex, and I say, what?
And they say, Alex, how do you know what Trump is going to do?
I say we're just both Americana.
jordan holmes
We're all just Americana.
dan friesen
We're just both Americana.
jordan holmes
He's tapping into the same thing I'm tapping into, man.
He's Americana.
dan friesen
It's the spirit force of America.
unidentified
Ugh.
dan friesen
Yeah.
alex jones
We're not telling each other what to think or do.
We're seeing, as on its face, prima facie.
And that's why I'm saying, very good chance Rince Priebus, within three weeks, will be gone because he's clearly the leaker.
He's clearly the one that continues to basically undermine the president and say that the president's like a lost child in the White House.
All these leaks, and Trump's really upset about it.
I know for a fact he's looking for a new chief of staff.
I'm just going to stop right there.
jordan holmes
I'm sure he is.
alex jones
Monday, we're going to have the big story for everybody.
dan friesen
You just gave away the story.
Yeah.
jordan holmes
So Monday, they're going to have a big story that is Reince Priebus is gone.
dan friesen
You just legit...
Well, I mean, we'll see.
When this is out, I mean, who knows?
But, like, that kind of thing is so fucking awesome.
jordan holmes
But it doesn't matter.
Like, literally every day it seems like there's a big story of some crazy shit happening at the White House.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
So even if it's not Reitz-Premis is gone, it could be anything, and that is a big story.
dan friesen
Yeah, yeah.
But not every day does Alex say, I'm not going to tell this story.
I'll just tell this story.
jordan holmes
Actually, I feel like every day he does do that.
dan friesen
But then, as he's been like, alright, here's a story.
Reince Priebus is not long for this earth.
We'll tell you the whole story on Monday.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
You just did.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's pretty much the whole story.
dan friesen
There is nothing left to tease.
jordan holmes
Unless the story is Reince Priebus dies of polonium poisoning.
dan friesen
But that would be MI6.
jordan holmes
That would be pretty funny, though.
dan friesen
That's not Russia.
It's MI6 trying to make it look like Russia.
jordan holmes
Right.
Well, like how they started the Civil War.
dan friesen
Absolutely.
So, the next two clips, we got two more clips left to go.
These next two clips are, so, on Friday, Alex does a long string of interviews.
Most of the show is interviews.
jordan holmes
Wait, what?
dan friesen
They're so bad.
jordan holmes
So, well, are, like, question?
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Are the interviewees allowed to talk?
dan friesen
Not much.
jordan holmes
Okay, good.
dan friesen
A bit.
jordan holmes
I was worried.
dan friesen
A bit, but not much.
jordan holmes
I was worried that he would allow other people to speak.
dan friesen
There's this guy named Matt Bracken on, and he is just a...
Weirdo old military guy.
jordan holmes
Matt Breckin?
dan friesen
He's terrible.
unidentified
Again!
jordan holmes
Great name.
Great name!
dan friesen
So great.
jordan holmes
Everybody has great names.
unidentified
Superhero names.
jordan holmes
Goddamn.
dan friesen
He's terrible.
He's a bigot.
And I say that based on his words, not based on anything else.
And then also he has another interview with John Rappaport, which again, our next episode will deal with John Rappaport.
But then his other interview is with Nigel McGuinness.
Who's the guy who started Vice.
jordan holmes
Has there ever been a good Nigel?
dan friesen
Farage?
jordan holmes
Nope.
End of Nigels.
dan friesen
Yeah, I can't come up with another Nigel.
jordan holmes
There are no good Nigels.
If you get named Nigel, shit is gonna go down.
dan friesen
What about that guy who was the librarian on Buffy the Vampire Slayer?
jordan holmes
I'm pretty sure he was a vampire at the end.
dan friesen
Was his name Nigel, though?
jordan holmes
I don't know.
I never watched Bad Thing the Vampire Slayer.
dan friesen
It feels like it was.
jordan holmes
Probably.
Somebody's got to be named Nigel.
dan friesen
Anyway, Nigel McGuinness is on, and he says some really fucked up things.
The first is not as fucked up.
I don't like to include in our episodes interview stuff, because...
jordan holmes
Right.
Because then we'll take it out of...
dan friesen
It's too unwieldy, but I felt like this was a special circumstance because of the second clip, but the first one, real shitty.
jordan holmes
Okay.
unidentified
God, there's still so much winning, and isn't it fun?
I mean, I was pretty young when Reagan was president, but I don't remember a presidency ever being so fun.
Wow.
dan friesen
I've never remembered a presidency being so fun.
What a fun presidency.
jordan holmes
You know what?
Okay.
Alright.
If you were an alien, this would be the most fun presidency ever.
If there was no skin in the game, this would be a hilarious presidency.
dan friesen
Also, if you're an uncaring white person.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
It's pretty fun.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Well, I assume they're aliens.
dan friesen
It's pretty tough.
jordan holmes
Because they have no recognition of the real world.
dan friesen
It's pretty tough to hear the stories of ICE checkpoints.
jordan holmes
Do you know what's crazy about that?
I go through all of these conservative websites because I am obsessed with making sure that I get every possible viewpoint.
Me too.
And all of the...
Not even liberal, just like reputable news sources interview the people affected by this.
And there are all these stories that are just fucking tragic.
Every time I go one step to the right, to any right wing anything, zero interviews with people.
It is all just ideologically this makes sense.
dan friesen
On principle, fuck them because they are illegal.
jordan holmes
They're not here.
They're not ours.
They're not people to you.
dan friesen
They don't have rights.
jordan holmes
Of course, if you never got any information outside of those places, you would think this is the right thing to do because you never have to deal with people.
But all of these supposedly Christian conservatives, if you really get into a narrative with them, if you really get them to meet Any of these people, they would almost immediately change their minds.
dan friesen
Hopefully.
jordan holmes
Because they're people.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
If you just finally fucking recognize that other people are the same as you, instead of some weird monster, instead of some weird other thing, the moment you just fucking meet people, man, just do it.
dan friesen
Jordan.
jordan holmes
I'm so angry.
unidentified
Jordan.
jordan holmes
I'm so angry about this man.
dan friesen
You're a dumb cuck because you don't realize.
jordan holmes
That's a good point.
dan friesen
You don't realize this fucking presidency is fun!
jordan holmes
It is fun.
unidentified
So fun.
jordan holmes
Oh, man.
It is...
God.
dan friesen
How fun is it to see people so mad?
jordan holmes
I wish I weren't affected by this because this chaos is what I would...
dan friesen
God, it's so funny to see people scared.
jordan holmes
If I was watching a basketball game, that was basically the corollary to this where it's all chaos.
People are punching each other for no reason.
It's so outside of what a basketball...
dan friesen
It's like a Globetrotters game mixed with pro wrestling.
jordan holmes
Yes, exactly.
Like when you're watching stand-up.
If you've been a stand-up for long enough, suddenly the only thing that becomes really fun is when stand-up goes beyond into something insane.
I don't want to see bad stand-up.
I like seeing people try to become good at stand-up.
I like watching great stand-up.
But my favorite thing is a fucking lunatic walking on stage and just letting shit fly.
dan friesen
Or the flip side of that is watching someone you know be in a bad situation.
So it's either chaos from the stage or towards the stage.
jordan holmes
Yeah, absolutely.
I want to see shit I've never seen before.
dan friesen
And that's what this guy is kind of espousing in terms of politics, but it hurts people.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah.
In terms of comedy, that's great.
You want to see shit you've never seen before.
dan friesen
There's no stakes.
jordan holmes
In terms of the world government, not good.
Not good.
dan friesen
Legitimately, families are being broken up.
jordan holmes
And frankly, even the shit we've seen before is usually bad.
dan friesen
Pretty bad.
Yeah.
So, Nigel McGinnis is an asshole.
jordan holmes
Nigel McGinnis.
Anybody named Nigel is an asshole.
dan friesen
So, we have one more clip left, Jordan.
jordan holmes
Yes, sir.
dan friesen
For this show.
And it is in response to that show, Dear White People.
jordan holmes
Why?
Why do we need a response?
dan friesen
Did you watch that trailer?
jordan holmes
No, I watched the thing.
dan friesen
I haven't watched the show.
jordan holmes
It's good.
unidentified
Cool.
jordan holmes
Dear White People.
dan friesen
I watched the trailer, which is all they're responding to.
jordan holmes
Well, if they actually responded to reality, that would be a bummer.
dan friesen
They watched the trailer, and the trailer is all just...
Essentially, don't do whiteface.
Or blackface.
Don't do blackface.
jordan holmes
Don't do blackface.
dan friesen
That's basically it.
jordan holmes
It's a bad idea to do blackface.
dan friesen
That's generally the whole thing.
jordan holmes
Hey, don't do blackface.
dan friesen
That's not cool.
I am not a costume, basically, is the line of the trailer.
jordan holmes
That's actually a really good line.
Unless you're a clown.
If you're a clown, you are a costume.
dan friesen
And you know it.
You goddamn clown.
jordan holmes
Clown rights?
No.
No clown rights.
That's where I draw the line.
dan friesen
Clown rights?
jordan holmes
Clown rights?
No thank you.
Fake news.
dan friesen
So here is him discussing this.
Nigel McGuinness ends up saying one of the worst things I've heard said on Alex Jones' show at the end of this quote.
jordan holmes
Oh god.
I don't know.
gavin mcinnes
I mean, my theory is that a lot of these TV execs are divorced women with an axe to grind.
unidentified
They're divorced liberal Democrats and they don't like men.
jordan holmes
They hate white men because it reminds them of their ex-husband.
And they're just out for revenge.
The free market doesn't want that show.
unidentified
Look at the number of dislikes that trailer has on YouTube.
It's something like 30,000 to 2,000 likes.
It's probably the most rejected Video in the history of YouTube trailers.
jordan holmes
And it's because it doesn't make sense.
gavin mcinnes
I mean, you're going to come to a party because you found the costumes offensive and you're going to destroy our PA system?
jordan holmes
What's that, $1,500 you just destroyed?
alex jones
As if white people are really having blackface parties.
I mean, I grew up in the South, never heard of such a thing.
jordan holmes
Yes, you have.
unidentified
This probably happened six times in the past ten years.
jordan holmes
So many times.
dan friesen
Now, I've done a little bit of research on this.
jordan holmes
It's never happened in the South.
The South?
It's never happened in the South?
dan friesen
Well, I just Googled...
jordan holmes
It happens in the North often enough for me to be angry about it.
dan friesen
I just Googled blackface...
jordan holmes
Parties?
dan friesen
College.
jordan holmes
Blackface College?
dan friesen
Albright College.
jordan holmes
That would be a fun college to go to.
dan friesen
Or a reality show.
Albright College in Snapchat.
jordan holmes
When people stop being polite and start wearing blackface.
dan friesen
There was a whole blackface narrative on the Real World World Rules Challenge like three seasons back.
It was really bizarre.
I can't explain it now.
jordan holmes
Yeah, there's no way to explain it ever.
dan friesen
It worked out really well, though.
Great!
I'll tell you off air.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
It had to do with CT.
My dear friend C.T. Albright College in Snapchat blackface scandal from September 29th, 2016.
Pennsylvania college student suspended over blackface video October 3rd, 2016.
jordan holmes
So we've only got two.
dan friesen
White college student dresses as Bill Cosby in blackface October 31st, 2016.
jordan holmes
Alright, so that's just three.
dan friesen
That was Halloween.
Blackface on college campuses isn't about freedom of speech.
That was also from Halloween.
I think it might have been from a conservative source.
jordan holmes
Okay, so maybe that's four.
dan friesen
Arkansas student expelled from frat for blackface Cosby costume.
That was a different one, also Cosby, from the 30th.
jordan holmes
Alright, so that's five.
dan friesen
Texas students expelled for posing in blackface on Snapchat video.
November 14th, 2016.
jordan holmes
Okay, so maybe that's it.
dan friesen
Kansas State students sorry, but denies it was blackface.
jordan holmes
How do you deny it's blackface?
dan friesen
From September 16th, 2016.
I'll explain how.
She had, like, a facial mask on.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
Like, maybe it was a facial scrub kind of mask.
It made her face black.
And she posed with four of her friends.
And Snapchatted it with the message.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
Now I know what it feels like to be a nigga.
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
No.
Not better.
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
That's what she did.
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
And she's like, sorry, it wasn't blackface.
I was just in a facial scrub.
Well, what you said- Wait, no!
jordan holmes
You said no!
dan friesen
What you said is the problem.
unidentified
The face is not the issue on this one, but it's also the issue!
dan friesen
It becomes blackface when you use racial slurs in your Snapchat.
jordan holmes
You should probably not use racial slurs if you're a racist.
dan friesen
North Dakota, white student dressing blackface post pictures September 24th, 2016.
jordan holmes
I can't imagine how many...
Look, that's six or seven or eight cases in a span of three months in one year.
dan friesen
He grew up in the South.
September 29th, 2016.
jordan holmes
All right, maybe that's nine.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So when he says it's been six or seven cases in the last ten years, those have been in six months.
jordan holmes
Yeah, but I mean, he grew up in the South.
Those weren't...
All right.
dan friesen
Nigel McGinnis or Alex Jones?
jordan holmes
Who cares?
There's a lot of blackface.
White people are racist.
dan friesen
Shut the fuck up.
unidentified
There's tons of this shit.
jordan holmes
There's tons of this shit.
dan friesen
So when it comes down to...
jordan holmes
I want to make a joke, but I'm just filled with fucking...
Fuck you.
dan friesen
It's so easy to find...
jordan holmes
Fuck you.
Google a thing.
dan friesen
It's so easy to find instances of this happening.
It should never happen.
And...
When people are like, listen, it wasn't racist.
Then you find the Snapchat picture and it has the N-word on it.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Like, okay, fuck off.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
You have no leg to stand on.
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
But Nigel has more fucking...
Like, he doesn't realize that what we just talked about is the reality.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
So he has more things to say that make it way worse.
jordan holmes
Oh, great.
unidentified
See it?
jordan holmes
It gets blown up.
It's all over the news.
And the next thing you know, they're pretending that it's a trend.
alex jones
How do we know it isn't leftists doing false flags?
They're always putting crosses in the yard or swastikas on the Jewish dorm.
I mean, what?
900 times out of one.
jordan holmes
All right.
All right.
You're a leftist.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Look at me in the eyes.
dan friesen
I have a cross eye.
jordan holmes
How great is the plan to draw a swastika at a Jewish dorm?
dan friesen
Great.
jordan holmes
Isn't that a brilliant plan?
dan friesen
It's a great plan.
jordan holmes
One, no one will ever know it's you.
dan friesen
Well, there have actually been a couple instances of that.
jordan holmes
Really?
dan friesen
Yeah, there have been a couple instances, but the large majority are actual hate crimes.
jordan holmes
Why is it?
Yeah, well, of course there are a couple.
I hate it that math sometimes makes that happen.
dan friesen
Yeah, like 2%.
Yeah.
And that's generous.
jordan holmes
Yeah, exactly.
dan friesen
Of hate crimes are perpetrated by...
The victimized class trying to make the perpetrators look worse than they are.
jordan holmes
Well, there's a story of a dude who was a white dude married to a black woman.
He thought she was going to leave him, so he put all of this KKK shit.
He had a burning cross in the yard going like...
Oh, well, you shouldn't leave me because it's scary out there.
And it was very obvious that it was like, hey, you know the KKK has never asked you to stay where you are?
dan friesen
So you leave.
jordan holmes
Yeah, KKK is usually like, go away, not like, hey, you need to stay with your boyfriend.
dan friesen
Put a cross on the yard, it's usually a warning.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, exactly.
dan friesen
Also, one thing KKK isn't into is miscegenation.
jordan holmes
Yeah, they're not big fans.
dan friesen
But, like, yeah, it is that really unfortunate thing that reality does exist.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
But...
jordan holmes
statistically anything that can happen will happen.
dan friesen
The bigger issue is that does not preclude us From really dealing with the actual hate crimes that do exist.
jordan holmes
Do you mean all the hate crimes?
dan friesen
98% of them.
jordan holmes
So many of those hate crimes.
dan friesen
And I chose that 2% arbitrarily.
I'm sure it's way lower.
jordan holmes
It's way fewer.
dan friesen
But anyway.
jordan holmes
The fact that you have an anecdote about it suggests how rare it is.
dan friesen
I have a couple.
jordan holmes
But that's the whole thing.
If you Google the opposite, you can pull up 300 instances.
But you're going to remember the unique one.
dan friesen
I just did.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
Exactly.
You just started reading off of a list.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
But you remember the one that is...
dan friesen
There's seven or eight from the six months just passed.
jordan holmes
You remember the one that is the false flag because that's so unique.
You would report on it.
Like, if you're a news agency, why would you report on the same...
Fucking racist shit that goes on every goddamn day.
dan friesen
More swastikas painted on New York subways.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Which, by the way, that video of people cleaning the shit up.
dan friesen
Gorgeous.
jordan holmes
All getting together.
unidentified
Delightful.
jordan holmes
Being like, fuck you.
God, that's beautiful.
Restores your faith.
dan friesen
Psy op.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Psy op.
Anyway, Nigel.
jordan holmes
Fake news.
dan friesen
Nigel is about to say some horrible shit.
jordan holmes
Nigel, bring us home.
alex jones
I mean, it's staged.
unidentified
And here's the other crazy thing no one would ever bring up.
jordan holmes
Blackface isn't offensive.
unidentified
It's just a given that it's offensive because it's related to Jim Crow.
gavin mcinnes
But if you go back and you look the way they did it in the 1800s, 20% of the time they were insulting, but the other 80%, it was somewhat reverent.
jordan holmes
It was just like a man dressing up as a woman in a play.
gavin mcinnes
And then in Europe, we've got Black Pete, and we've had the Black and White Minstrel Show in Britain right up until the 80s.
unidentified
These people, all they know is the taboos.
dan friesen
Fuck off.
Jordan, that was crazy.
Blackface is not offensive.
80% of the time, it was reverent.
unidentified
But...
jordan holmes
But...
But all of the...
All of the...
All of it.
Like, all of it.
dan friesen
Pretty much all of it.
jordan holmes
All of it.
There's no...
Okay.
Give me...
Like, you have...
At least a very base understanding of race relations in this country.
dan friesen
I'll accept that as a premise.
jordan holmes
Give me one situation where blackface was okay.
dan friesen
Ever?
unidentified
ever uh Okay.
dan friesen
Here we go.
jordan holmes
Alright.
dan friesen
No.
jordan holmes
Because 80% of the time it was reverent, so that means that you should, out of any 10 instances, 8 of them should be okay.
dan friesen
Here was what I was gonna say.
jordan holmes
Let's go for one.
Let's just start with one.
Name one.
dan friesen
I was on my way to the set, and an oil barrel blew up in front of me.
And I just show up on set, all of a sudden I'm black, and we have to adjust.
jordan holmes
Everybody laughs.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
It's a great time.
Look, I mean, you could always go back to Al Jolson, right?
Al Jolson is a giant pile of shit.
But in context of the world he lived in, he's not the one who made it possible for him to be that.
dan friesen
You are so about to lose your voice.
jordan holmes
I'm so about to lose my voice.
I sound exactly like Alex Jones right now.
dan friesen
Would you like to pitch some products?
jordan holmes
Let me tell you something about Super Male Vitality.
If only I took more of it before today.
dan friesen
Also, all of it comes down to let's not re-litigate the history.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Who cares?
jordan holmes
Well, I mean, it is super important that you know the history in order to make sure that you don't fucking do blackface.
dan friesen
Certainly.
But let's take that away and just address today.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
Those people, bad, all the people that I just listed, not good, and college campuses, bad, are not doing blackface to somehow...
Celebrate black people.
jordan holmes
Are you sure it wasn't reverent when she said the N-word in a bunch of different ways?
It's probably 80% reverent.
Probably 80% reverent.
dan friesen
Yeah, probably.
jordan holmes
20% not reverent.
dan friesen
Probably.
jordan holmes
God.
dan friesen
What a bunch of dicks.
So anyway, this has been February 10th.
jordan holmes
February 10th.
dan friesen
On the Alex Jones show.
Jordan, this has been fun.
jordan holmes
This is always a delight.
dan friesen
I hate Nigel McGinnis more than I did earlier.
jordan holmes
Most Nigels should die.
dan friesen
Yeah, I think they're probably assholes.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
Sorry to any good Nigels out there.
I'd love to know you.
jordan holmes
That's why I said most.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Now, if the rest of the Nigels are wearing blackface right now, you know what?
I take it back.
unidentified
Shout out to any solid Nigels out there.
dan friesen
We'll find you.
We'll find you.
jordan holmes
And to anybody who is wearing blackface reverently, if there's one or two percent of people doing false flag operations, then there has to be at least one dude doing blackface so reverently.
So reverently.
dan friesen
Hit us up.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
At knowledgefightatgmail.com.
Send us an email.
You can find us on Twitter.
jordan holmes
At knowledge underscore fight.
dan friesen
You can find us on Tumblr.
jordan holmes
iTunes, you can subscribe to the podcast.
Leave a review.
unidentified
Please.
jordan holmes
Maybe give us a number of stars.
dan friesen
I made this promise.
I'll reiterate.
If you send me a five-star review, if you five-star review us on iTunes, and you send me an email at knowledgefight at gmail.com, I will send a message to Alex Jones on Twitter.
That I would never say to my mother.
I've said that before.
I'll say it again.
I'll do that.
jordan holmes
Forever and ever.
dan friesen
Yep.
Jordan's been fun.
jordan holmes
Always.
I feel like we've been policy wonks.
dan friesen
Yeah, we have.
alex jones
Andy in Kansas, you're on the air.
Thanks for holding.
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Hello, Alex.
jordan holmes
I'm a first-time caller.
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I'm a huge fan.
I love your work.
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