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Jan. 18, 2017 - Knowledge Fight
01:28:03
#4: Research and Stand Up

On this episode, Dan reports back to Jordan about some research he was inspired to do after listening to some of Alex Jones' special reports, filed while he was on the road.  Topics covered include: What do statistics really look like for Infowars? How many radio stations in Kane, PA is Alex broadcast on? Does Alex hate that he is being forced to talk about pee? Should Alex give it all up and become a stand up comic? A couple citations for the research done: List of stations Alex Jones is broadcast on Infowars' affiliate contract Infowars' press packet FFS LLC's press packet

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alex jones
10:45
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dan friesen
41:11
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jordan holmes
32:09
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Speaker Time Text
alex jones
Andy in Kansas, you're on the air.
Thanks for holding.
unidentified
Hello, Alex.
I'm a first-time caller.
I'm a huge fan.
I love your work.
alex jones
I love you.
unidentified
Hey, everybody.
dan friesen
Welcome back to Knowledge Fight.
I'm Dan.
jordan holmes
I'm Jordan.
dan friesen
This is a show where I, who listen to too much InfoWars and Alex Jones, sit down with my friend...
jordan holmes
Jordan, who has absolutely no idea what the fuck is going on with Alex Jones.
dan friesen
And I try and explain what's going on in the wonderful, wonderful world of...
A delightful Texan.
jordan holmes
He is occupied Texan.
dan friesen
Occupied Texas.
jordan holmes
Occupied Texas.
dan friesen
So today, like over the last week, Alex has been out of town and, you know, there hasn't been a whole lot of content coming from him.
So we've had to dig deep and look into some of the special reports he's filed.
From the road.
And so I've collected a couple of those, plus a little special bonus at the end of the episode.
jordan holmes
Alex Jones rambling, man.
dan friesen
So, Jordan?
jordan holmes
Yes?
dan friesen
What do you think...
Oh, God.
jordan holmes
Why would you even ask me a predictive question?
So far in all of our episodes, even the Y2K one, my predictive question was we would at least talk about Y2K.
And no, it was tanks.
It was fucking tanks.
dan friesen
Yeah, of course.
And there's a concentration camp in Austin.
jordan holmes
Yeah, a concentration camp.
Okay, yeah.
So, okay.
So we're talking missive from the road.
Alrighty.
And when would we say is around the time of this?
dan friesen
You know, these reports were filed between like the 10th.
And the 14th of January.
jordan holmes
All right.
dan friesen
No, 9th and 13th.
jordan holmes
9th and 13th.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
So today is the 16th when we're recording this.
dan friesen
Yeah, we're recording over the weekend.
jordan holmes
Yes.
Okay.
So I'm going to go with...
He's definitely not talking about the Russian allegations about Trump being compromised, right?
unidentified
Well...
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
He does bring that up later.
jordan holmes
He does bring that up, but a little bit?
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
Look, I wasn't going to ask you to just whole hog a guest.
jordan holmes
Now this is a fun game for me.
dan friesen
Okay, okay.
I'll give you a ballpark to get in.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
It has to do with media personas.
jordan holmes
Are we going back to Megyn Kelly?
No.
dan friesen
He's done with Megyn Kelly.
jordan holmes
He's done with Megyn Kelly.
dan friesen
Actually, she does get name dropped.
jordan holmes
God damn it.
Media personalities.
unidentified
Male.
jordan holmes
Male media personalities.
Nope, I got nothing.
dan friesen
It's Glenn Beck.
jordan holmes
Oh, what?
alex jones
I am so sick of looking at Glenn Beck.
I am so sick of hearing Glenn Beck.
I like Tucker Carlson.
unidentified
I agree with half of that.
jordan holmes
Which half?
dan friesen
I like Tucker Carlson.
jordan holmes
You like Tucker Carlson?
alex jones
No, Tucker Carlson has the big primetime slot on Fox News, and I think that signifies the fact that...
The coup against Fox News to put in even more globalist operatives like Bill O 'Reilly and Megyn Kelly failed.
But that said, I want nothing to do with Fox News, to be clear, because they they had some vice president once tell the New York Daily News that I asked for a job at Fox.
I didn't get one of that really makes me mad because they want to act like they're the Emerald Castle.
There were the yellow brick road ends and that I'm Toto and I want to go there.
No, I don't.
jordan holmes
Did Toto want to go to the Emerald Castle?
I feel like Toto didn't have as much agency in that story as he thinks Toto did.
dan friesen
He's talking about the band.
jordan holmes
But he's not a big fan of Africa, I don't think.
dan friesen
I want to be clear.
I respect the shit out of this, and I do believe what he's saying.
I disagree.
jordan holmes
I don't believe that at all.
dan friesen
You don't believe that he doesn't want to be on Fox?
jordan holmes
No.
I believe that that VP was, if not talking about Alex Jones himself, some person in the Alex Jones camp made an inquiry with the VP to be like...
Hey, Alex would do...
I 100% believe that.
dan friesen
And maybe Alex...
jordan holmes
I guarantee that's true because Alex just had the exact same tone of voice that a fucking asshole dude is like, you know, I didn't want to fuck that girl anyways.
I don't know why she told me that she wanted to...
unidentified
You know, she came to me and I don't want to do it.
dan friesen
Yeah, but you're ugly, dude.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
No, he's that fucking asshole.
dan friesen
But from all of my listening to him, he's been wildly consistent in this aspect.
There's a part of me that kind of believes him, that he didn't want a job at Fox News and someone over there shit on him.
I kind of believe him on this one.
jordan holmes
I'm gonna disagree.
Your perspective is valid.
I'm gonna...
And you're right, you have way more context for that.
But just going on tone, because those guys sound exactly the same.
Every one of those guys says the same shit.
voice like it's all the same thing and he had every little aspect of that okay like that is the that is the first time where i've actively thought he wasn't uh just like a conspiracy theory deceiving douchebag yeah i genuinely hate him with all my heart after hearing him say that well fair enough let's see let's hear him out let's give him another fair day in court okay I have my own audience.
alex jones
It's huge.
Just like Drudge has his own audience.
I'm trying to build something outside of them.
We've done it.
We've been successful.
You go to a Donald Trump rally, a third of the shirts are Infowars.com and Hillary for prison shirts.
They're not Fox News shirts, okay?
jordan holmes
I bet that's true.
dan friesen
Sure, that part's not bullshit.
But he's talking about how his audience is huge.
And I had to do a little bit of research on this.
jordan holmes
Was he also implying that his dick was the same size as his audience?
dan friesen
I think that there's a parallel.
jordan holmes
There's a wild speculation there.
dan friesen
So I looked into...
jordan holmes
Does he make Lock Hillary Up underwear?
Because that would be some solid advertising.
dan friesen
Or like frilly handcuffs.
Sex play handcuffs.
That would probably piss off his conservative base.
unidentified
That would be fucking great.
dan friesen
So I had to do some digging and I looked into his...
jordan holmes
That would be the ultimate white elephant ironic gift is a lock Hillary up frilly fuck cuffs.
dan friesen
God, I'm so mad Christmas is already over.
So I did some research.
jordan holmes
Our merch is going to be incredible.
dan friesen
We gotta get like a store together.
alex jones
Fuck.
dan friesen
We've got to put together Alex Jones digital drop boxes.
jordan holmes
Oh, yeah.
dan friesen
Lock Hillary up frilly handcuffs.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
God damn it, we're going to be rich.
jordan holmes
We're going to crush it.
dan friesen
So I looked into...
Alex talks about how huge his audience is, and we've already gone over that he has like maybe about...
jordan holmes
Three, four hundred thousand.
Regular listeners or regular clickers.
dan friesen
Clickers to the website.
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
But he also talks about all the stations that he's on.
He talks about the terrestrial broadcasts that he's on.
So I did a little bit of research into that.
jordan holmes
Do you mean like syndicated?
Yes.
Okay.
dan friesen
And I found that there was a listing from the Genesis Communications Network.
They had a listing of the 83 stations that Alex Jones has broadcast on daily, and he's broadcast on Sundays alone on 35 stations.
But most of that is overlap.
Like, the Sunday broadcasts overlap with the 83. It's not 100%, but there's a lot of it.
jordan holmes
Gotcha.
dan friesen
So, I was looking at that, and I was like, that's not a lot.
But it's a lot if you're me.
jordan holmes
That's true.
dan friesen
But if you're Alex Jones, that's not that many.
unidentified
That's not a lot.
dan friesen
So I wanted to look into it, get some comparisons.
Hannity has at least 424 stations.
Glenn Beck has 327.
Michael Savage has 223 stations nationally.
Rush has 531.
So I was like, oh, he's at the bottom of that list.
But then I started to look a little bit further.
jordan holmes
Oh, God, yes.
dan friesen
And I was like, what are these stations?
Let me list off a couple of these stations that he's syndicated on.
Oh, please.
WSVG, 790 AM out of Mount Jackson, Virginia.
Population of 2,000.
Okay.
WLSC, 1240 AM out of Loris, South Carolina.
Population of 2,000.
He has two stations that broadcast him in Kane, Pennsylvania.
Population of 3,500 people.
Two stations in Kane, Pennsylvania.
WYPV 106.3 FM out of Onaway, Michigan.
Population of 850.
I did some digging.
Did some math.
36 out of the 83 stations, that's 43% of the markets, are not even ranked.
Wow.
So that's 43% are below the threshold where they would even make the consideration of rankings.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
19 out of the 83, that's 22%, are in the top 100 markets.
unidentified
That's...
jordan holmes
okay.
dan friesen
22% in the top 100.
Yeah, 19. But I should say that most of them skewed towards the lower end of the top 100.
jordan holmes
Well, I wasn't expecting him to go from 1,000 to, oh, and also the number one network.
dan friesen
Not the number one network, but he is in New York.
There is a market in New York.
He has a Chicago affiliate, and that's the number three in the nation.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
Only 26 out of the 83, including that 19 in the top 100.
To bring them together to a total of 31% are in the top 150 markets.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
So if you keep going down, you see that a lot of these are bad markets.
jordan holmes
Now, before I say anything about that...
dan friesen
Yeah.
Because we have maybe 100 listeners.
jordan holmes
Assume I know zero about radio.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
If he's in that 2000 market, that city of 2000, does that just mean that only those people can...
Get the signal, or?
dan friesen
The wattage of the stations varies.
jordan holmes
Right.
Well, no, I kind of assumed that, but I mean, like, if we're talking about a city of 2,000, I'm assuming it's not right next to a city of 300,000.
It's kind of out there in the docks, the boonies.
dan friesen
You could probably still pick up the station for a number of miles outside of town.
jordan holmes
For a few miles out, but really we're looking at a small percentage of those 2,000 people are actually listening.
dan friesen
In theory.
jordan holmes
In theory.
Or maybe, well, it's 2,000 people.
dan friesen
But even if it's all 2,000 of them, that's not that great.
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
And I'm saying that not because I think that's a shitty audience.
I would love to have that audience.
jordan holmes
No, of course.
dan friesen
But I say it because he's Alex Jones and he brags about his fucking audience all the time.
And if you look at it, it's compiled, it's cobbled with garbage.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
So, ballpark it.
Ballpark it.
We've got certain numbers.
dan friesen
83 stations.
jordan holmes
No, no, no.
I mean, like, number of listeners.
dan friesen
Oh.
jordan holmes
So, 83, we got super small markets for most of them.
dan friesen
Most people probably would listen online.
But still, if you're only getting like 300,000 hits to your website, let's say he has a total consistent audience of maybe like 200,000 people.
jordan holmes
I would actually go lower.
dan friesen
I was being pretty generous.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I was going to say, that's super generous.
Because we're using the word consistent, too.
It's a way different story.
Clicking on a website versus actually listening to his radio show.
dan friesen
And consistently.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
There's also a difference between listening and just checking in.
jordan holmes
You know what?
I would actually say his audience is closer to 60,000, and most of those are long road truckers.
dan friesen
That's entirely possible.
My heart, especially...
jordan holmes
You're a heart of hearts.
dan friesen
You can see the numbers on YouTube.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
I think that he's probably...
If you include YouTube in there, too, I think he has a bigger audience.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
But if you're talking about, like...
I mean, it's...
Monetizing YouTube is incredibly difficult, and the amount that you get is not very high.
So if you have like 20,000 hits on a video, you're not making much off that.
jordan holmes
No.
Is that what his average kind of videos are?
dan friesen
Some of them are pretty high.
It depends on how salacious the topic is.
jordan holmes
Okay.
Does he live stream it as well on YouTube, or do they pick the clips out and then put them up later?
dan friesen
He does the latter, but also the prior.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
But I have watched it live a couple times, and it's like...
600 people are watching.
So not many people are streaming it live on YouTube.
jordan holmes
Who has the fucking attention span to listen for three hours?
dan friesen
I do, and I'm not doing anything at work.
jordan holmes
Exactly!
If you've got nothing else going on, or if you are a trucker.
Or if you're just on a long road trip, you might listen to that whole thing.
dan friesen
So now, I agree with you.
jordan holmes
So that's also kind of like the Conan show, really.
dan friesen
What do you mean by that?
jordan holmes
I mean, who's watching the Conan show from...
You know, for the whole hour and a half.
dan friesen
People who want to.
jordan holmes
Right, but most of us are watching the five-minute clips online.
dan friesen
That's why it's impossible to get ratings.
jordan holmes
Yeah, exactly.
dan friesen
So I also did some research.
I'm like, 83 Station seems fucking low.
What's going on there?
And I was able to dig up his contract that he gives to affiliates.
And I know it's real because it's hosted on Infowars.com.
It is publicly available.
jordan holmes
Wow!
That seems like a bad idea.
dan friesen
Well, it certainly gave me more information than they want me to know.
It turns out that InfoWars itself is owned by a parent company called Free Speech Systems LLC.
Okay?
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
And they're the ones...
jordan holmes
FSS LLC.
dan friesen
Yes.
That's actually what it says in the contract.
jordan holmes
Oh, good!
dan friesen
So, the...
jordan holmes
Which sounds like TLC added a lot more members.
dan friesen
And allowed for scrubs.
So, the first thing that I noticed about this contract was a very clear specification that broadcasting InfoWars as an affiliate is free.
They don't charge you anything.
And I quote, The Alex Jones Show, Overdrive, and InfoWars Nightly News are free to air.
There is no cost for running the program, no affiliate fees.
That's in the contract.
unidentified
Wow.
dan friesen
Now here's what they ask.
Free Speech Systems reserves the usage of three minutes per broadcast hour for network promotional advertiser space.
The broadcaster will have usage of the remainder of the scheduled advertising per program.
jordan holmes
Okay, so if you run his show, then the network you're on can only advertise the network for three minutes.
dan friesen
No.
You got it flipped.
jordan holmes
Oh, I got it backwards.
dan friesen
Yes.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
So let's say I have a radio station.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
And I want to broadcast Alex Jones.
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
There's 15 minutes of commercials per hour.
I get 12, he gets 3. Okay.
That is not a great contract.
jordan holmes
That's a bad contract, right?
dan friesen
Yeah.
That's a little desperate.
jordan holmes
That's really sad.
dan friesen
And only 83 stations have thought to take him up on this free programming.
jordan holmes
It seems like it's a...
dan friesen
That's insane.
jordan holmes
Well...
dan friesen
How toxic is the stuff he's saying that people don't want to put him on their air?
jordan holmes
I mean, based on what we've heard, pretty goddamn toxic.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Anyway, I find this fascinating, and I apologize we've only had one clip so far, but it seems...
And all of this is very publicly available.
If you just search for Infowars affiliate contract, it'll come up on Google.
jordan holmes
Which, I mean, that...
That really screws up their negotiating system.
dan friesen
We don't want anything.
jordan holmes
Yeah, exactly.
dan friesen
Just let us sell our pills for three minutes.
jordan holmes
If you are coming from that low of a negotiating point, that's real trouble right there.
dan friesen
But I mean, it is like, okay, you have a network, a broadcast, you have an affiliate that you have...
Maybe 50,000 people could listen to your station.
That's 50,000 people that might hear our three minutes of weird pill commercials.
So that's worth it to us.
We're doing this anyway.
Which is fucked up.
jordan holmes
That's weird.
That's all so weird.
dan friesen
Which leads me to believe that his...
jordan holmes
There's a backer there, right?
There is a larger...
dan friesen
We see no evidence of it.
jordan holmes
Are we...
Are we now descending into conspiracy theory territory?
You are.
Now I'm thinking there's an anti-George Soros who's trying to combat the globalists.
What's happening to me?
dan friesen
Yeah, I know.
jordan holmes
What are you doing to me?
dan friesen
It's fucked up.
So here's the next clip in his screed on Glenn Beck.
alex jones
We're the future.
And I don't say this meanly, but your future is selling more catheters and more diabetic equipment because that's all you've got to a very old audience.
Nothing against them.
But the point is, you're the past, we're the future.
dan friesen
So that's his next stab at Fox News in general.
jordan holmes
That is the most self-inflicted attack that you can possibly make.
Like, he's basically saying to them, like, hey, you guys are only selling catheters.
I'm selling boner pills?
dan friesen
And prostate medication.
jordan holmes
Yeah, so he's...
dan friesen
No, I know.
It's insane.
jordan holmes
That is insane.
dan friesen
That's like when you're a bad...
Like, I don't know.
Like, you've robbed a bank, and you have a friend who also robbed a bank, and you're like, you're a fucking bank robber.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
But I did some more research.
jordan holmes
Oh, God.
Thank God you do research.
dan friesen
So, I mentioned this site before, Quantcast.
You've heard of Quantcast?
jordan holmes
Yes, I remember it from our pilot episode.
Ladies and gentlemen, it is episode one.
dan friesen
They compile statistics for advertising purposes on websites.
And according to Quantcast, 53% of Alex Jones'audience is over the age of 45, and 78% are over 35. Only 6% of his audience is between the ages of 18. So not a lot.
53% is over 45. That's not a young audience.
jordan holmes
45 isn't very old.
Is there anybody below 18?
dan friesen
It's 6%.
jordan holmes
6% below 18?
dan friesen
Which is unadvisable.
jordan holmes
That is...
That's cruel.
dan friesen
It's inappropriate.
jordan holmes
Why would you do that?
dan friesen
Child abuse.
jordan holmes
That is child abuse.
dan friesen
I also found InfoWars press release that they put out in order to try and find more advertisers.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
Which you can also find by Googling it.
It's hosted on InfoWars.com.
It's publicly available.
It's insane that they just leave this stuff up on their website without blocking it.
jordan holmes
Yeah, they're putting their business out there.
That's a bad way to negotiate.
dan friesen
It's a PDF of, like, a slick presentation, too.
In that PDF, they claim...
jordan holmes
That's like if Snowden didn't steal the NSA docs.
He just Googled, hey, what is NSA doing today?
And they just all showed up.
dan friesen
And it's all super usable.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
They gave you a whole, like, oh, and there's a tutorial on how to look through there.
dan friesen
Here's the breakdown.
What is the NSA?
Great, thanks for the info.
In that advertising report, they claim that his audience is 43% over the age of 50, with an additional 35% between the ages of 35 and 49. If you look at the Quantcast data, that can match up.
Because what they did is change the threshold ages.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
And even then, it's still well within the margin of error for...
dan friesen
Yeah.
So based on that...
jordan holmes
The overall trend is exactly the same.
dan friesen
Based on what independent polling and his own press release say, we can pretty much rely on those as fairly accurate numbers.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Even if you look at that, fucking 43% is over 50. That's an old fucking audience.
jordan holmes
Now, Fox News is also the same.
dan friesen
It's worse.
jordan holmes
It's worse.
Yeah, they're even older, aren't they?
dan friesen
The median age is 63. So half of the audience is over 63. But still, 50 is not that...
I mean, it's 13 years, but it's not a far cry.
What he's trying to say is, we are the next generation that will grow up.
jordan holmes
The next generation of old people.
dan friesen
Right, I guess that's the only way to...
Here's the part where it's good that I found out earlier that...
Free Speech Systems owns InfoWars.
unidentified
Ooh!
dan friesen
Because I did a little more digging.
And I found a press release.
jordan holmes
Conspiracy theory!
dan friesen
I found an advertising pitch from Free Speech Systems LLC that is for InfoWars.
I found their business filing, and it's an Austin-based company, and the only contact on it is Infowars.net.
They made all the other stuff private.
I'm sure Alex Jones owns it.
jordan holmes
Guys, you can't see this right now, but while Friesen is looking at me, my eyes are twinkling with excitement.
dan friesen
So they put out this press packet trying to sell advertising on Infowars.com, on the website, as opposed to on the radio broadcast.
This one has a slightly different skew on what the audience is.
This one claims that the audience is 30% over the age of 50 and 67% over the age of 35. In terms of selling radio advertising, he's being accurate to statistics, the Quantcast and his other PDF numbers, because the radio audience generally is an older audience.
Generally, people who listen to radio are older.
jordan holmes
I haven't listened to radio in years.
dan friesen
When you sell web ads, you want to skew younger.
So you pretend that your audience is much younger than what it actually is.
jordan holmes
And they're not doing a great job of pretending.
dan friesen
Bada bing, you have completely conflicting numbers.
Also, they list three ways that you can buy ads on the website.
Now, here's where I'm starting to get, like, this is a fucking scam kind of stuff.
jordan holmes
Three ways.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
The first way you can do it is banner ads.
There's standard stuff on the blog.
jordan holmes
Yeah, everybody does banner ads.
That's normal.
dan friesen
If you go, you can find this also super easily.
It's publicly available.
It's also hosted on their website.
jordan holmes
I mean, you can just go to Infowars and click on one of their banner ads, right?
dan friesen
Here's the fucked up thing.
jordan holmes
Oh, no!
You can't click on their banner ads?
dan friesen
No.
We'll get to what's fucked up.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
But, I mean, that's how blogs operate.
And they show the placement of where the ads would be.
You want to be like, you can get A, B, C, or D. Second option is a banner that goes at the top of the website that looks like breaking news.
jordan holmes
No!
I'm assuming that they disclose there's a conflict of interest there, right?
dan friesen
Never.
jordan holmes
They don't?
dan friesen
I also just went to Infowars.com today, and there is no banner ad or anything like that, so that's not in play right now.
jordan holmes
That's not in play.
You're really pushing it in play.
unidentified
I'm trying.
dan friesen
Is what I think is really fucked up.
And they're super clear about it being fucked up.
The third way is called text links.
And I'm just going to read a quote.
jordan holmes
Oh, please.
dan friesen
From their advertising materials.
These are disguised as news headlines near the top of the breaking news.
jordan holmes
They even in the thing they say disguised?
dan friesen
Disguised.
jordan holmes
They even they...
To admit that they're lying!
dan friesen
Verbatim.
jordan holmes
That's crazy!
dan friesen
Yes, I'm not paraphrasing at all.
jordan holmes
They literally say, word for word, we will lie to our viewers.
Awesome.
dan friesen
Disguised as news headlines at the top of the Breaking News or Prison Planet sections and guaranteed to get massive immediate hits.
Your text ad can say anything you like and varies in pricing for characters.
jordan holmes
That is a used car sales pitch right there.
We are guaranteed to get immediate hits, ladies and gentlemen.
Where would you like to go?
We are selling Hyundai's.
We are selling, like, what?
dan friesen
So now I went to the website and I looked and I couldn't find any banner ads on it.
jordan holmes
No text ones either?
dan friesen
Maybe.
jordan holmes
Maybe.
Oh, that's right!
dan friesen
They're disguised.
jordan holmes
They're disguised!
dan friesen
Who knows?
unidentified
Holy cow.
dan friesen
At this point, if you know that that's an advertising strategy they're literally using, everything is suspect.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
You don't know what any of these headlines are, really.
jordan holmes
Which fits into their whole thing.
dan friesen
Talk shit about BuzzFeed all you want.
They do a lot of dumb shit, but every time there's something that's paid for, it's huge banner.
Sponsored content.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
Because otherwise, you're being a duplicitous asshole.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Well, and even if BuzzFeed isn't doing that, they're not advertising that they're disguising it for you.
dan friesen
Maybe there are.
I've never seen their sales pitches.
Maybe there is.
Because that does sound like a sleazy ad salesperson.
jordan holmes
Yeah, and it's not outside the realm of possibility that other websites are doing that.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
I could definitely see many disreputable...
Although, the moment you start down that path, nothing is trustworthy.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Like, the moment you know that they are willing to do that and then just apply that to even some percentage of mainstream stuff, it's like, well, if these guys can't...
Like, it's not...
And they're not hiding it.
Maybe they're just doing a worse job of hiding how they're...
dan friesen
Maybe.
I mean, they should not have these things be public.
jordan holmes
They should really not!
dan friesen
It's really easy to set a page to private.
jordan holmes
But even then, it does seem like their viewers would not give a shit.
dan friesen
Or be like, it's the globalist trying to paint him in a bad light.
jordan holmes
That is not...
dan friesen
This is fake news.
jordan holmes
That's unacceptable.
dan friesen
Well, I mean, everyone...
jordan holmes
Although that is the world we live in now, where if you disagree with something, it's fake news.
Fake news!
dan friesen
Anyway, that's some of the summation of the research that I've done.
There's one more thing I found, because he hates all these media people, and he talks about how he's so much better than them, so I went to Alexa.
jordan holmes
Well, everything that they accuse him of doing is what they're doing.
dan friesen
Right.
So I went to Alexa.
Which is another advertising tool for websites.
jordan holmes
Does it say nice things about you?
dan friesen
It doesn't.
That's another Alexa.
But this is a website that gives you a rank.
It ranks all the websites in the world in terms of traffic.
So most of the top ones are Google.
Different countries Googles, like google.ca and all that stuff.
jordan holmes
Yeah, co.uk.
dan friesen
So AlexJonesInfowars.com, their Alexa rank is 1,349, which is impressive.
jordan holmes
That's not terrible.
No, that's actually really good.
dan friesen
It's crazy good.
jordan holmes
My AngelFire website is not in the top thousand.
I'll tell you that right now.
dan friesen
Nothing I've ever done is in the top million.
So, I mean, I'm not shitting on him for what he's achieved, but when he talks about how huge his audience is, He does bring up Alexa.
He brings up Quantcast and Alexa and talks about his stats.
He's 1349.
I'm going to give you a few websites and tell you where they are.
jordan holmes
Oh, no.
You're going to make Alex Jones feel sad.
dan friesen
BuzzFeed.
What do you think it is?
jordan holmes
Top 100.
dan friesen
This is a good guessing game.
jordan holmes
Top 50. Nope.
dan friesen
194.
jordan holmes
194?
dan friesen
CNN.
jordan holmes
I would actually say they're lower.
dan friesen
Fake news.
jordan holmes
Fake news, yeah.
Let's call him 300.
dan friesen
Number 96. BBC.
jordan holmes
Now I'm going the opposite direction.
I'm getting worse at this.
dan friesen
BBC.
jordan holmes
Oh, that's a good question.
I'm so America-centric.
And this is worldwide, of course.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Let's go with 250.
73. Jesus, now you're going higher as we go along.
dan friesen
Not entirely.
jordan holmes
I figured out the game.
dan friesen
Not entirely.
New York Times.
jordan holmes
45. 85. Oh, goddammit.
dan friesen
The Guardian.
jordan holmes
I love The Guardian.
So let's go with...
Two.
Two?
No, it's not.
The second most...
Let's go with 70. 106.
dan friesen
Okay.
Xhamster.com.
It's a porn tube.
jordan holmes
Oh.
Oh, I know.
dan friesen
That's for the listeners.
jordan holmes
That's for the listeners.
You don't need to ask.
Okay.
Let's call that...
All the porn has got to be in the top 40, right?
unidentified
No.
jordan holmes
No?
unidentified
No, no, no.
dan friesen
That's excessive.
jordan holmes
Not all the porn.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Where would...
Okay, let's call Pornhub top 30, right?
Pornhub is 51. Pornhub is 51. Ex-Hamster is not as popular, so I'll go 170.
dan friesen
89. Jesus Christ.
Huffington Post.
jordan holmes
That one can't be as big.
Let's call it 180.
dan friesen
235.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
Daily Mail.
jordan holmes
I'm 50 off on literally every one of these.
Daily Mail?
I would say 280.
dan friesen
164.
jordan holmes
Jesus, people read the Daily Mail that much?
dan friesen
Washington Post.
122.
jordan holmes
Because I was going to guess in the 70s.
I'm 50 off every time.
dan friesen
A weird crowdsourced news site called Blasting News.
unidentified
12. 145.
jordan holmes
I have never heard of Blasting News before.
dan friesen
It must be a huge foreign thing.
jordan holmes
I have no idea.
dan friesen
It has to be, yeah.
jordan holmes
Well, like, WhatsApp is the messenger app that everybody uses.
Yeah, everybody but America uses WhatsApp.
dan friesen
I don't have the number on it, but I saw it on the list.
It's way up there.
So, Alex Jones is way behind all of those.
Also, his compatriot, the Drudge Report.
jordan holmes
That's gotta be way up there, right?
dan friesen
You would think.
jordan holmes
No, it's not?
dan friesen
Well, it's 629.
jordan holmes
It's only 629?
dan friesen
But to be fair, the 629th most popular website in the world is pretty crazy.
jordan holmes
No, that is crazy, but in the world that I live in of conservatives, I guess it's just because their voice is so much louder.
dan friesen
And so different.
jordan holmes
It seems that they should be...
It seems that they should be so much higher.
dan friesen
Well, and they act like they're so much higher.
jordan holmes
Yeah, well, that's true.
dan friesen
So when you take this, it's like, I'm so much more popular than CNN fake news.
It's like, they're in the top 100, you're 1349.
So, like, it is a big difference between those two.
jordan holmes
But he's not...
He's speaking to his audience.
dan friesen
They're passionate, too.
jordan holmes
They are passionate.
dan friesen
They're probably more passionate than most CNN readers.
jordan holmes
I would say they're probably more passionate than all CNN readers.
dan friesen
What they make up for...
jordan holmes
Because that's fake news.
dan friesen
Anyway, here's where he gets to actually talking about Glenn Beck.
And now we're back to the clips.
My research is done, but I just needed to get all that out.
unidentified
Okay.
alex jones
It's like, oh my gosh, Glenn Beck says, you know, half the nation is upset about Trump.
And he hopes that...
Trump has a good presidency and he can't wait to see how things go.
This is so sick on many levels.
It's like saying, Glenn Beck said that grass is green and puppy dogs have fur and bark and little pink tongues.
Of course, half the country or 47% is brainwashed and hates Trump.
My gosh, tell me something I didn't know.
And then again, what is this failure who's made these apology tours all over ABC, CBS, NBC, apologizing for conservatives, apologizing for gun owners, apologizing for Donald Trump.
Trying to sabotage this country, leading the Never Trump movement, going around being this apologist who, quote, is an insider and admits that the liberty movement's really bad, and he apologizes to the left, a total Judas goat.
Then he goes on Fox News and sits up there.
And acts like he's now pro-Trump trying to rehabilitate himself.
Hey, Megyn Kelly at least had the class to leave to NBC knowing her viewers and listeners hated her guts.
It's even worse with you, Beck.
Go away.
You are incredible.
And again, I'm not in competition with you.
I don't bash other major talk show hosts.
I'm sick of you.
I know what you've done in talk radio.
I know what you've done behind the scenes with sponsors.
I know how you've been out to get me for like eight years.
Out to get Ron Paul.
Out to get Donald Trump.
Out to get everybody.
You are bad news.
dan friesen
Now we got bad news.
I love that you laughed.
jordan holmes
I don't bash other news hosts unless they're Megyn Kelly because she doesn't.
Smell, right?
dan friesen
Because I did that a sentence back.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah.
What is...
dan friesen
I'm so glad you picked up on that because that was what charmed me about that clip.
jordan holmes
That's the most obvious thing in the world.
How does he...
Also, I like how he's like, half the nation is...
No, it's way more than half.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Trump's favorable ratings are like 27 now?
unidentified
If that.
jordan holmes
It's ridiculous.
dan friesen
If you...
What's the...
What's that...
What's that metric called where you subtract the positives and the negatives?
You know, like where you take the favorability against unfavorability?
He's super low on that.
jordan holmes
Yeah, no, what was it?
Obama, whenever he was elected, he had a plus 71 favorable.
I think he's at negative 7. Yeah, even W had like 30, and it's like he's way, way down there.
It's at the point now where he's worried that there will be a coup against Trump, and most of the country is like...
I mean, if Obama wanted a third term...
dan friesen
Well, you saw that in his farewell speech.
Everyone kept chanting, four more years, and Obama's response was, I can't do that.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I know.
dan friesen
Which goes so against Alex Jones' entire narrative, which is that he wants four more years.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
It's like, no, he...
jordan holmes
He's the only person who actually believes in the Constitution now.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
To our detriment.
jordan holmes
Everybody...
dan friesen
Not that Obama should have four more years.
I'm not saying that.
But it is to his detriment that he plays so soft.
jordan holmes
He believed too hard.
He believed too hard in America.
That was his ultimate failing.
Now, here's my theory on where we are now.
And the theory is this.
Because Obama was so reasonable, the only way to fight against him was to make shit up.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Like, if Obama actually had gone far left, then the right would be much more towards the center right now, because it would be much easier to fight against him as, like, centrist.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
And instead, because Obama was so in the center, the right just had to go further and further and further and make shit, like, Obama's a secret Muslim.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Like, they had to make that up because they couldn't be like, well, Obama seems like he's pretty reasonable and he's governing the country in its idea.
dan friesen
He's consistently made overtures to try and cooperate.
jordan holmes
Yeah, he really tried hard, that poor bastard.
dan friesen
I read a great, I mean, this is going to be the new, like, hacky thing to say or, like, cliche thing, but I read a great Twitter thread that someone posted about how, like, hey, conservatives, good fucking luck because you've had eight years of the most conciliatory, polite, Decent, trying to work with you president in the world, and you are fucking shitting on it, and now you're going to see what happens when liberals don't want to play along.
I think there's something to that.
jordan holmes
I don't.
dan friesen
What?
jordan holmes
I don't.
I don't think there is something to that.
I think liberals will always want to play along.
alex jones
You're right.
jordan holmes
That's what we are.
You're right.
That's by our definition, our goal is like, hey, we believe that you're people too.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
And their entire goal is...
You're not people.
dan friesen
Money is people.
jordan holmes
You're demons!
He literally called us demons!
dan friesen
Repeatedly.
jordan holmes
Yeah, so it's not like liberals will still...
Well, even now you read all those articles where it's like...
Here's why we lost, because we didn't appeal to middle America.
And it's like, no, no, no.
We lost because middle America, those white fuckers, just did not give a shit.
dan friesen
That's why that whole bubble narrative is fucking bullshit.
unidentified
It's bullshit.
jordan holmes
It is straight up bullshit.
dan friesen
You know what bubbles are?
The multicultural centers where people are blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I hate it when you live in your bubble of all the different types of people together, and you don't live in the bubble of only white fucks together.
dan friesen
So there was too much to cover in this episode, so I'm going to do a quick rundown of things that couldn't make the cut.
Excellent.
jordan holmes
We're doing a full-on Sklar Brothers cheap seats situation here.
dan friesen
Yeah, there was a nice rundown.
unidentified
What got cut?
jordan holmes
What got cut?
dan friesen
Roger Stone, a Trump surrogate who hosts the show sometimes, had a nice quote about how when Donald Trump goes overseas, he always knows he's going to be videotaped.
So these tapes couldn't possibly exist because he knows that people are taping him.
jordan holmes
He's too smart to be taped.
dan friesen
Meanwhile, Billy Bush fucking got him on a film set.
On a fucking film set when he was wearing a microphone.
jordan holmes
That he knew he was wearing.
dan friesen
Yeah, so that whole logic to me is so crazy.
jordan holmes
Also, I like how you said Billy Bush got him.
As if Billy Bush had any idea what was going on in his own way.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
Both of them just didn't give a fuck.
dan friesen
Yeah, that's how I like to spin it, though.
It's more fun for me.
That's true.
jordan holmes
As though Billy Bush was the hero of this world we live in.
dan friesen
Alex had a nice talk about how free speech is going to end.
And one of the things that he cited was that when they arrested Dinesh D'Souza, I knew the game was up.
jordan holmes
Did they arrest him?
dan friesen
I looked into it.
Back in 2014, they arrested him because he was indicted for breaking campaign finance laws by illegally donating to the senatorial campaign of a New York conservative candidate named Wendy Long.
jordan holmes
So that's when he knew the game was up?
dan friesen
Because it's about free speech.
jordan holmes
It is about free speech.
dan friesen
So I looked into it, and the government charged D'Souza with illegally arranging to have two people, an employee and a woman with whom he was romantically involved...
Donate $10,000 each to a campaign of an old friend from Dartmouth College, with the understanding that he would reimburse them in cash for their contributions.
According to prosecutors, Mr. D'Souza lied to Miss Long, the candidate in question they were donating to, about the donations, reassuring her that the people who were donating had sufficient funds to make the contribution.
Miss Long pressed D'Souza on the matter after the election, and he acknowledged that he had reimbursed the two people, the government said.
But told Miss Long not to worry because she had not known about it.
jordan holmes
So he actually found, at this point, the only way to break campaign finance laws.
unidentified
Basically.
jordan holmes
Like, the laws are so non-existent now.
unidentified
He found the most...
jordan holmes
Like, that's the most obvious way to...
Like, that might as well have been him writing, and I'm willing to disguise my...
on the website.
That's ridiculous.
dan friesen
Judge Berman rebuked the defendant repeatedly over the course of the hearing, describing his conduct as self-destructive, and his remarks...
Is remarked in the media as thoughtless.
jordan holmes
Self-destructive is the only way.
Well, have you...
unidentified
Hold on.
jordan holmes
Oh, God.
dan friesen
The judge even quoted from a letter to the court from Mr. D'Souza's ex-wife, Dixie D'Souza, which is a great name.
jordan holmes
Dixie D'Souza is a great name.
dan friesen
In which she said he had a, quote, flawed character and lack of truthfulness and accused him of physically abusing her.
Now, hold on.
It's not over.
jordan holmes
Oh, God.
How is it not over?
dan friesen
Mr. D'Souza spoke briefly on his own behalf, explaining that he had made the illegal donations because he wanted to help Miss Long's floundering campaign.
Quote, I could see that personally she was humiliated, he said.
Mr. D'Souza, who came to America alone from India as a teenager, described Miss Long as a member of his, quote, surrogate family at Dartmouth.
jordan holmes
But that's...
How is there more?
dan friesen
For its part, the government argued that Mr. D'Souza's crime was not a misguided act of friendship, but a, quote, premeditated decision to break the campaign finance law.
jordan holmes
Well, yeah, he literally said, I was doing this because I wanted her to win!
dan friesen
Because she was humiliated.
jordan holmes
He admitted exactly what he did!
dan friesen
Which is pathetic.
jordan holmes
That's not a defense!
dan friesen
No, the pathetic part about it is that he's trying to...
jordan holmes
Your Honor, in my defense, I wanted to kill that man.
And then I did.
dan friesen
Oh, great.
Cool.
You're free.
jordan holmes
Oh, okay.
Sweet.
I didn't realize that would work.
Oh, God.
Really?
dan friesen
But the cowardly thing about it is that he couches it in empathy.
It's like, I cared about my family.
My surrogate family.
So that's why I did it.
jordan holmes
I mean, that's not cowardly.
That's craven.
Craven is what it is.
dan friesen
I think it's cowardly because it's couching it within the language of empathy when it's not.
You're trying to cover your tracks.
When empathy is a beautiful thing.
jordan holmes
Cowardly would be more like him throwing her under the bus.
True.
She asked me to do it.
Craven is more like he is knowingly simulating the emotions of a human being.
dan friesen
You've taught me a lesson here today.
Craven is not just a hunter.
jordan holmes
Craven is not just a hunter.
dan friesen
Also cut from the- Comic book jokes.
We have to get to what I think is going to be the most important thing that's ever happened on this podcast.
jordan holmes
The second coming of Christ?
dan friesen
Yes, in some ways.
He did talk a little bit about P-Gate.
I can play those clips if you want to hear one.
jordan holmes
Wait.
The sad part is I almost thought that that was just a shortening of Pizzagate, but now I remember it's that Trump was peed on by a Russian hooker.
Allegedly.
Allegedly, it was a specific hooker.
We all know it has been at least a hooker.
dan friesen
Probably.
I mean, look, here's the thing.
I don't think that evidence that we have proves anything.
jordan holmes
I agree.
dan friesen
But I also don't think it's outside the realm of possibility.
jordan holmes
I think it's the most inside the realm of possibility thing you can have.
dan friesen
Also, I think that most people who have been covering it have been covering it with the caveat in the same way that BuzzFeed says this is sponsored content.
I think every article that I've read about it has been like, this is unverified.
jordan holmes
It is unverified, but the news is not you're verifying these claims.
The news is that...
The president was briefed on these claims.
dan friesen
Which is fair to report.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
You should be reporting that.
The president is briefed on this.
dan friesen
You're derelict in your duty if you don't.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
We're just going to keep that away.
Now, as far as the peeing on thing goes, I have no problem with him being peed on.
dan friesen
Me neither.
jordan holmes
And that's not even, like...
The sexual exploits of JFK are thrown under the rug because that was back whenever people had the gentleman's agreement of like, oh, we will keep his private business private.
dan friesen
To the extent that the press knew what he was up to and because of decorum they didn't talk about it.
jordan holmes
Yeah, exactly, which is on them.
That was bad there.
So it's not the peeing on thing that bothers me because that's not even, like, that's the salacious thing in that that everybody, like...
Gloms onto.
dan friesen
That's what Twitter gloms onto.
jordan holmes
Yeah, exactly.
dan friesen
Because it's fun to tweet about it.
jordan holmes
What it really should be is that he may be...
Being blackmailed about it.
Like, who cares if he fucking peed on a dog?
They're blackmailing him about it.
That's the story!
dan friesen
And his behavior does line up with someone who's being blackmailed.
jordan holmes
It lines up perfectly with someone who's being blackmailed.
Now, that could be a coincidence.
It's not.
But it could be.
dan friesen
But let's say, let's like posit a world where he's not being blackmailed.
jordan holmes
Hillary Clinton is president.
dan friesen
No, because of the narrative that's already been set up and because of his actions and how ruthless Russia is, really.
Like, Putin is a ruthless, ruthless man.
jordan holmes
He's Vladimir the Ruthless.
dan friesen
He is.
jordan holmes
In Alex Jones' own words.
dan friesen
Exactly.
And so, like, we're in a place now where Russia could come up with anything and be like...
Do what we want or we'll release this.
Even if they don't have blackmail now, they can make it.
jordan holmes
They can make it so easily.
We're so far beyond the realm of reality now.
That whole fake news thing is such a win for everybody.
dan friesen
Conspiracy theorists especially.
jordan holmes
For everybody.
Because now there is no legitimacy to any bit of information.
I can't believe or not believe anything.
alex jones
Nope.
dan friesen
Because you're dumb.
jordan holmes
I am dumb.
That is a true thing.
dan friesen
So I'm going to play one clip of the P-Gate stuff.
jordan holmes
P-Gate!
dan friesen
We're dancing at the gates of P. I mean, his take on it is pretty predictable.
I might have to cut this off at some point.
jordan holmes
It's pretty predictable.
It's pretty predictable.
alex jones
Notice it's the mainstream media again running with a ridiculous...
dan friesen
It's not easily debunkable.
jordan holmes
It's not easily debunkable.
dan friesen
Whatever you want to say about it, it's very hard to unverify.
jordan holmes
And I'm not entirely sure that debunkable is a word.
dan friesen
I mean, we're going to allow it.
alex jones
That claim was part of some secret CIA report that the president has been blackmailed by the Russians because they have video of him.
With women urinating on each other.
Now, again, I'm sorry to have to talk about that on air, but that's what's being put in the news.
dan friesen
So this goes back to that decorum thing we were talking about.
This is Alex Jones' fake decorum.
He's like, I'm sorry I have to talk about this dirty, dirty stuff.
jordan holmes
Children, avoid learning about the world.
dan friesen
Right, right.
jordan holmes
Although, this is my favorite thing about Trump right now, and my favorite thing about the world we live in, is everything turns so fast.
Like on Tuesday, Obama gave an uplifting, beautiful speech about unity.
alex jones
We still can.
jordan holmes
And on Wednesday, Trump denied being peed on by hookers.
That is the world that we live in.
It's amazing!
dan friesen
It's a farce, unthought of by playwriters.
jordan holmes
Yeah!
There's no way that we could write anything more insane than what's going on right now.
dan friesen
If you want to hear about insane, look at this juxtaposition of, I'm sorry I had to talk about pee.
Now here is next sentence.
jordan holmes
Let's do it.
alex jones
I covered it.
It is Jerry Epstein of the Lolita Express and the Clintons that are clearly involved in the entire pedophile network.
It is the Clintons that are clearly involved with the whole Hollywood elite and the Roman Polanskis and the Meryl Streeps who apologize for pedophilia and especially champion it.
This is the group that is into all this.
We know that.
It comes out over and over and over and over again.
dan friesen
So he keeps doing this thing.
He keeps doing this thing where he's like, I don't want to talk about peeing, but also Roman Polanski raped a 13-year-old.
He's like, hey, none of us are defending Roman Polanski, bro.
jordan holmes
These easily debunkable claims about Trump watching people pee on each other.
But also, everyone in the Clinton's organization is a pedophile.
dan friesen
Right, and he brings up Jerry Epstein, who was a billionaire and...
Convicted pedophile.
unidentified
Okay.
dan friesen
He had a private plane, and he would take people on vacations.
Bill Clinton is in his Rolodex.
unidentified
Okay.
dan friesen
But also Donald Trump is in the Rolodex.
jordan holmes
I mean, he's a billionaire, so pretty much everybody's in his Rolodex.
dan friesen
It doesn't prove that you're fucking kids, but it does mean that you hung out with him.
I've hung out with some bad dudes.
I didn't necessarily...
Like, when I was younger...
jordan holmes
Bad enough dudes to save the president?
dan friesen
I don't know.
I used to hang out with a guy who sold me weed, and I didn't know, but he was also selling guns.
No!
Had I known that at the time, I wouldn't have hung out with him.
That's too dangerous for my blood.
That sort of thing.
But, like, I did hang out with him.
He was a nice enough guy.
I imagine that if I had hung out with a pedophile at some point, and I found out later, I wouldn't be like, I shouldn't have done that.
I'd be like, wow, I didn't know that about them.
That sucks.
I wish I would have known.
But they were...
They weren't fucking kids around me.
jordan holmes
They didn't bring that up.
See, that is very much like a corollary in our world where a lot of, and let's not say a lot, but let's say men are monsters.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
And comedians are all crazy people.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
So we do know a bunch of people who are in that, like...
dan friesen
Who've done some bad shit.
jordan holmes
I didn't know they were always been nice to me.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
Like, once I know that's going on, that immediately changes the relationship.
dan friesen
Well, there's some that you get a vibe off of, but, you know.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
But anyway, so...
jordan holmes
There have been a few that we've gotten vibes off of.
dan friesen
He does this whole thing about the P. Gates stuff, and he's like, these...
jordan holmes
God, can we stop?
dan friesen
I'm sorry.
jordan holmes
Can we stop with Gates?
dan friesen
I know.
I hate it, too.
jordan holmes
Can we stop with Gates?
dan friesen
I hate it.
jordan holmes
No Gates.
Are we done with Gates yet?
dan friesen
You know who's really suffering?
jordan holmes
We're on 50 years of Gates.
dan friesen
You know who's suffering from this?
jordan holmes
Nixon.
dan friesen
Bill Gates.
jordan holmes
I don't know if Bill Gates has ever suffered from anything.
dan friesen
He does this whole long thing about how it's the liberals who are into this sexual perversion.
unidentified
Then he has this sentence that I think is delicious.
dan friesen
Please enjoy this.
Because all the liberals are obsessed.
jordan holmes
The libtards, the progtards.
dan friesen
They're obsessed.
Hollywood's obsessed with fucking kids.
What's Trump obsessed with?
I'll tell you.
I'll tell you right fucking now.
alex jones
No.
Donald Trump has an obsession with beautiful, perfect ten women.
I don't think anybody's going to say that's a crime.
He's ever claimed to be, you know, Mr. Perfect, but he's been married several times.
He has a great family.
dan friesen
That's a great clip.
jordan holmes
That is great.
See, but that's how...
That's how insane shit has gotten where you can say the most sexist thing you can think of because that's the least offensive thing about him at this point.
dan friesen
He's into perfect ten women.
jordan holmes
He's into perfect ten women.
dan friesen
No, that's not a crime.
He's been married a bunch of times.
jordan holmes
That's also not a crime.
dan friesen
He has a great family.
jordan holmes
He has a great family?
dan friesen
Those thoughts don't track.
jordan holmes
No, his family does have a very children of the corn look about them.
dan friesen
And one of them is just completely ignored.
jordan holmes
Which one?
Tiffany?
dan friesen
He has another daughter that never- He has another daughter?
Yeah, that is just completely ignored.
jordan holmes
Oh my god, is it like a man in the iron mask scenario where the daughter is kept in a fucking underground basement?
dan friesen
No, I think she's doing fine, but it's sort of, you know how there was on the Osbournes, they had another daughter that wasn't on the reality show?
jordan holmes
I did not know that.
dan friesen
Yeah, there was another daughter who was like, I don't want any part of this show.
And so she just, they pretended she didn't exist.
jordan holmes
The smartest daughter in the history of the world.
dan friesen
Exactly, like the third Olsen sister.
Because Mary-Kate and Ashley were twins, but there was another one.
jordan holmes
But isn't she an actress now?
dan friesen
She is now, but she was never in the public eye before.
Or there's another Jonas brother.
jordan holmes
There's another Jonas brother?
dan friesen
There's a bonus Jonas.
jordan holmes
God damn you.
dan friesen
Sorry.
jordan holmes
I will see you in hell for that, sir.
Sir, we shall meet at dawn.
dan friesen
Jordan, time has come.
We have to get to...
I wish there was theme music for this.
The greatest thing ever.
unidentified
Okay.
jordan holmes
All right.
dan friesen
I don't even want to explain to you what this is.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
I just want to start the clip and watch your face.
jordan holmes
Oh, God, no.
dan friesen
Because this is going to blow your mind.
This is something from 2004.
unidentified
We have a very, very special guest.
He's going to come out here.
He's going to talk to you.
He's going to bring up Dougie.
I am a huge fan of his.
It's really an honor to bring him up here.
Please keep it going for the Lord of Conspiracy, Alex Jones, everybody!
dan friesen
Are you picking up what's going on yet?
jordan holmes
He's the Lord of Conspiracy.
dan friesen
Do you understand what the scenario is right now?
jordan holmes
I'm not sure.
alex jones
okay we'll see other sorry for you you can have a good time and here's a great comic movie bird absolutely amazing that's great to use it well he said degenerate this other than that he's a pretty good guy Alex Jones doing stand-up.
jordan holmes
No!
No!
dan friesen
Oh, yes?
jordan holmes
No!
dan friesen
Oh, yes!
jordan holmes
But...
But no!
dan friesen
But oh yes!
jordan holmes
Do you have any of it?
dan friesen
Oh, we got the whole clip.
jordan holmes
No!
unidentified
Play me some stand-up.
dan friesen
Oh, we're gonna.
jordan holmes
Play me some stand-up.
dan friesen
So here's what happened.
I'll give you just a little bit of a rundown.
jordan holmes
So he's brought up to the Lord of Conspiracy, which, God, that would be a great Broadway show.
dan friesen
Absolutely.
Dancing, paranoia, it would be beautiful.
jordan holmes
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
So, uh...
jordan holmes
If we were gonna write an opera...
That would be the name of this opera about Alex Jones.
dan friesen
What about Phantom of Conspiracy?
Phantom of Conspiracy.
jordan holmes
We would have to do it in Italian, though.
That's the only way we would...
dan friesen
I know a couple opera singers.
jordan holmes
Really?
dan friesen
Yeah.
unidentified
Alright.
dan friesen
So, Alex Jones is friends with Doug Stanhope.
The two of them are friends because Doug likes fucking weirdos.
And when Doug was headlining at the Cap City Comedy Club...
jordan holmes
Which is a great club!
dan friesen
Yeah, I did their open mic once.
Actually, I didn't.
jordan holmes
You were there, and they were not allowed.
dan friesen
I went there for the open mic, and two really, really mentally ill people who were doing comedy came up to me and wouldn't leave me alone, and so I left.
It was way too uncomfortable.
jordan holmes
Smart move.
dan friesen
But he...
jordan holmes
It is never a bad idea to leave an open mic.
Nobody has ever been like, oh man, I wish I hadn't left that open mic.
dan friesen
So Stan Hope...
When he's down in Austin, he's like, hey, Alex, come do a set.
Bring me up to stage.
So this is what happens.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
Now, he started with a but seriously, which is great.
jordan holmes
I love that.
dan friesen
We're going to see if he has any chops.
Let's see what he's got on that.
jordan holmes
Oh, I'm going to...
Pre-listening to the clip, I'm going to say his chops are...
unidentified
Spectacular.
dan friesen
Well, you know, a lot of people think...
jordan holmes
Unimpeachable chaps.
dan friesen
A lot of people think that he's Bill Hicks, faked his own death, and now he's Alex Jones.
You know that conspiracy?
jordan holmes
God, that would be such a great bit.
dan friesen
There's a lot of conspiracy about that, that he's Andy Kaufman-ing as, you know...
jordan holmes
Andy Kaufman would not do that.
dan friesen
No.
alex jones
Here we go.
I'm not a comedian.
And I've heard a lot of stuff about Iraq, and I've heard some other comments about politics.
And let's just go over some basic stuff here for a minute, okay?
This is not a drill!
This is serious shit!
unidentified
Out!
Ow!
dan friesen
I want to play the end of it, because you were laughing.
You were laughing over this.
I want you to listen to the audience reaction, because I think it's important.
You see how that tapered out?
There was like a couple woos and then silence.
This, I think, if we're analyzing this as performers ourselves, what happened there when he started yelling was he was attempting to get into character.
He was trying to get into the Alex Jones persona.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
And he got that silence, and he realized, oh fuck.
jordan holmes
Oh yeah?
dan friesen
Oh fuck.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
So that brings us to the next clip.
And by the way, I cut out nothing.
jordan holmes
Okay!
dan friesen
All I did was separate the clips.
This is all of it.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
But just...
jordan holmes
God, I'm so excited for this.
alex jones
I've got the film clip of Eisenhower back in 1958 calling Fidel Castro the Abraham Lincoln of the Caribbean.
dan friesen
Sounds like a...
alex jones
Maybe he is.
But my point is, they put that motherfucker in power.
jordan holmes
He thought that motherfucker was the laugh?
dan friesen
Or possibly he thought he was doing Dennis Miller when he was like, they called Fidel Castro the Abraham Lincoln of the Caribbean.
jordan holmes
Uh, hey man.
dan friesen
You're doing a salmon.
jordan holmes
Sorry, I can't stop doing salmon.
dan friesen
So he goes on.
He got no real response off that.
alex jones
They put him in there!
But it's not just him.
It's everybody.
It's Ho Chi Minh.
It's Mao Zedong.
It's Manuel Moriega.
It's Hussein Bin Laden.
It's Saddam Hussein.
It's the Shah.
It's the...
They build them up, they knock them down, and I watch them stick our troops in these meat grinders.
And it's all admitted, you know, I'm the weirdo who sits there and watches the C-SPAN documentary, so they've got the 85-year-old CIA section chief, you know, who back in 1950 goes, well, actually, the CIA was behind Mao and we put him into power.
Of course, I already knew that, but now these bastards are admitting it?
Mao Satan killed 50 million!
dan friesen
While you were laughing, the clip went on to dead silence from the audience.
jordan holmes
Yeah, well, that's not a joke.
dan friesen
It's not a good bit.
jordan holmes
There's no construction there.
dan friesen
It's not even good public speaking, really.
unidentified
No, no, no.
dan friesen
If you want to take comedy out of it and just be like, you're giving a lecture, it's not a good lecture.
jordan holmes
Well, I think that's the problem that he ran into there, is he realized about halfway through those words.
He doesn't have anywhere to go.
So he thought shouting would do it.
dan friesen
But again, that's what I think is the I'm trying to get into character.
He's constantly trying to get to that gear, but he's not used to being in front of an audience that doesn't give a fuck.
They want to see Doug Stanhope.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
So to them, he is an impediment.
To getting to Stanhope.
jordan holmes
So he's seeing an audience...
There does seem to be...
Like, Doug Stanhope's audience would have plenty of people who are familiar with Alex Jones, right?
dan friesen
Maybe.
jordan holmes
Like, Stanhope is...
Stanhope's an awesome comic who's also a dirtbag.
But maybe not in 04. That's a good point.
dan friesen
It's possible that he...
jordan holmes
That is way back when.
dan friesen
Yeah.
I mean, he was still doing his...
jordan holmes
Why is he shouting about all of the...
Why did he bring up Noriega?
dan friesen
Because he's in the mix.
jordan holmes
But of what?
dan friesen
These dictators that have been put in place by powers that be.
jordan holmes
Okay, so Eisenhower called...
dan friesen
Fidel Castro.
jordan holmes
Fidel Castro the Abraham Lincoln of Cuba.
dan friesen
The Caribbean.
jordan holmes
Of the Caribbean.
dan friesen
Yeah.
He was a pirate of the Caribbean.
jordan holmes
Because he was a pirate of the Caribbean.
He was actually, you know, people think it was Keith Richards?
Uh-uh.
Fidel Castro.
dan friesen
100%.
jordan holmes
That's who Johnny Depp was really channeling there.
dan friesen
There's no doubt about that.
Also, Hans Zimmer did the score for that movie.
It's going to be at Coachella.
Is that right?
Isn't that him?
jordan holmes
I have no idea.
dan friesen
Is that Danny Elfman?
What composer's going to be there?
This is me trying to act like I know anything about pop culture.
jordan holmes
John Williams?
dan friesen
I heard a composer is going to be at Coachella.
jordan holmes
That's all I know.
Who cares?
Okay, so...
So let's go from just a comedy standpoint, right?
dan friesen
Not great.
jordan holmes
Not great.
Not a good bit.
dan friesen
It gets worse.
jordan holmes
Very, very poorly constructed.
I don't think there's really a premise there.
dan friesen
I think there's the...
jordan holmes
So the premise is...
dan friesen
Well, there's a premise, but not a comedic premise.
jordan holmes
So the premise is...
dan friesen
If you're building a joke, there's nowhere to go.
But if you're building a thought, it's that our leaders keep putting in these dictators, and then they fake wars, and I have to watch people die.
That's the premise, but it's not a comedic premise.
jordan holmes
Does he know he's being asked to do stand-up comedy?
dan friesen
He knows he's at a comedy club.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
Here's what I 100% think happened.
jordan holmes
In occupied Texas.
dan friesen
Here's what I 100% think happened.
Doug Stanhope doesn't really like Alex Jones, but is amused by him.
jordan holmes
As we both are.
dan friesen
Sure, but they're friends now, and he's set him in a situation that he knows he's going to fail in.
Because it's going to be entertaining to him.
jordan holmes
There is a truth in that, to me, there is nothing funnier than a comic bombing his tits off.
dan friesen
Oh, sure.
I went to...
Do you know the comedian Bill Squire?
He's a guy out of Cleveland.
Super hilarious dude.
When I was unprepared for it, he took me on the road with him to the Dakotas.
And we did some one-nighters.
And then in Sioux Falls, South Dakota, we were there for like three nights.
And the first night we were there, they let me go up.
Which was nice of them at the club.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
I ate my dick.
jordan holmes
Of course.
dan friesen
I was doing pervy shit, and the audience had no interest in it, and I didn't have the tools.
I didn't have the skills to do it.
jordan holmes
The chops.
dan friesen
Yeah, I bombed so hard, and Bill went up after me, and he was like, hey guys, I just want you to know, Dan's a friend of mine, and we drove here from Chicago, and watching you guys just really hate him was so fun to me.
And I got it.
That was hilarious to me.
jordan holmes
Well, I maintain this.
dan friesen
Even being on the other side of it is enjoyable.
jordan holmes
I maintain this that Mike Wiley is the funniest writer, and there is nothing funnier to me than watching Mike Wiley bomb.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
It is so great.
dan friesen
For those of you listening, Mike Wiley is a Chicago comic who is mostly one-liner based.
jordan holmes
A tremendous writer.
dan friesen
Brilliant chops.
You can find his CD on iTunes.
jordan holmes
It is, yeah, what is the name of his CD?
dan friesen
I can't remember now.
jordan holmes
We're huge fans of him.
dan friesen
You're putting me on the spot.
unidentified
Good point.
dan friesen
Alex does get a little bit of juice in this next clip.
jordan holmes
Does the spirit get good to him?
dan friesen
No, I don't think so.
jordan holmes
Oh, no.
dan friesen
He hits on something that the audience can relate to.
And again, I want to be clear, I'm not cutting anything out.
These are just segments.
alex jones
And they want to sit around and tell me about Saddam Hussein for some war for $4 trillion in oil?
Oh, we wouldn't do that over oil.
We're just the big badasses in the 100-story buildings that own and run the nuclear weapons, that own your private prisons, that they're going to stick you and your family in as soon as they find you doing something wrong, some bullshit law they created.
That's right.
unidentified
That's where he got them.
dan friesen
They hate prisons.
jordan holmes
Everybody hates prisons.
dan friesen
Especially Stano fans.
Because they know they're going there.
They know the odds is good that they're going to get trumped up charges.
jordan holmes
Oh, poor him.
dan friesen
Yeah, I like that yelling about, like, we're the people in 100-story buildings.
That's a nice visual image, but I don't know how it connects.
jordan holmes
He's got that feel of, like, every single word he knows isn't working.
So he's starting to get louder and louder as a way to cover it up.
Oh, yeah.
I can't hear their laughter because I'm shouting too loud.
dan friesen
Yeah, we have two more clips here that are bad bits, and then things...
jordan holmes
Bad bits.
dan friesen
Things take a turn a little bit later.
unidentified
Things take a turn?
jordan holmes
Oh.
alex jones
And I have to sit here and watch him setting this up, setting up a living hell for all of us.
jordan holmes
Living?
alex jones
The boys running this country, and I mean Mr. Carey and his cousin George W. Bush.
His coffin made of stone bones.
These guys are the ones who put the Hitlers and the Stalins in.
They're the people that create the crises to offer you the solutions.
dan friesen
So this is a thing that Alex talks about all the time on his program.
It's called the Hegelian dialect.
Okay.
It's a process that is problem-reaction-solution.
unidentified
Yes.
dan friesen
And so people who are trying to manipulate the world...
jordan holmes
And that's the 9-11 narrative, then.
unidentified
Yes.
jordan holmes
Like, George W. orchestrated 9-11 so that he could take down Iraq because his dad didn't get to.
dan friesen
Well, the problem was that they needed more oil.
Mm-hmm.
No, no, I'm sorry.
All of it's set up.
I got the elements wrong.
The problem is that 9-11 happened.
The reaction is we go to war, and the solution is we get there.
I don't fucking know.
jordan holmes
It's all stupid.
dan friesen
It's all stupid, but it's how you contextualize the idea of false flags, is that everyone has all this stuff planned ahead of time, and it's like, well, we've got to solve this problem.
Here's how the people will react.
And then we will offer them the solutions.
We'll create terror and they will beg us to help them out.
jordan holmes
But that is how autocracies and dictatorships really wind up happening.
They do have that.
It's not that they cause the crisis.
It's that they know how to do it right.
dan friesen
You know what?
You know what I think?
Maybe Alex Jones...
jordan holmes
There's no crisis that you can't turn into an opportunity to be more of a dictator.
dan friesen
And that's why that quote from Rahm, who I think also is an asshole, but not on the same level as...
Maybe Alex would think he is.
That quote, never let a good crisis go to waste, is an unfortunate sentiment.
jordan holmes
It's a true one.
dan friesen
It's bad optics to be caught saying it because it makes it look like you might set up bad things to happen.
But the sentiment really behind it is we want to help people and if opportunities arise to do it, we should do those things.
jordan holmes
Well, and it's like how Churchill famously...
Was super excited whenever the Japanese bombed Pearl Harbor because then he knew America would get into the war.
dan friesen
Now backup's coming.
jordan holmes
Yeah, exactly.
dan friesen
Which sucks.
jordan holmes
But he was, you know, for him, nothing better could happen than the Japanese bombing Pearl Harbor.
dan friesen
Sure.
It's in some ways taking the long view.
jordan holmes
Yes.
Which, taking the long view is always a way to get hated.
dan friesen
Anyway, back to the bets.
jordan holmes
That's a very loose characterization.
alex jones
Somebody said 1984, and it's true.
That's what it's all about.
The war is against the people.
The war is against the people.
But going back to Saddam, he's saying, I'm going to bring Doug up here, because that's who you came to see, and they asked me to come up here, so I did it.
Take your time!
jordan holmes
Jesus Christ.
alex jones
The point here is...
dan friesen
Take your time was 100% Doug from the back of the room.
jordan holmes
Oh, was it?
Oh, thank God.
dan friesen
No, you can recognize his voice.
unidentified
Okay.
dan friesen
It's definitely...
unidentified
Okay.
dan friesen
And a couple times when...
I mean, you can't identify claps.
But when there's like one clap, I'm pretty sure it's Doug.
jordan holmes
Oh, if it were me in the back of that show, it would be him saying something and me going, Ha ha ha!
dan friesen
And that's it.
jordan holmes
You would recognize my laugh immediately.
dan friesen
Have you ever listened to Jimmy Pardo's CD, Pompous Clown?
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
You can hear Mike Schmidt laughing throughout it when no one else is laughing.
Yeah.
Because he gets it.
This is a different thing.
jordan holmes
This is all different things.
dan friesen
This is a very different thing, but the same result.
jordan holmes
Doug is not laughing with Alex Jones.
dan friesen
He's laughing at, oh, look at you, out of your element.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And I think, I sincerely think, that if Alex had learned the lesson of the beginning of the set, when he tried to get into character and it didn't work, if he had just powered through it, I think this would go way better than it does.
jordan holmes
Really?
dan friesen
Yeah.
If he would have kept yelling...
It would have worked.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
But because he keeps rattling off facts that no one gives a fuck about, it gets fucking weird.
jordan holmes
It is such a strange up and down for his energy on that.
It's just like, and it's Noriega!
Okay, let me tell you about George H.W. Bush.
alex jones
Ho Chi Minh killed three million people!
dan friesen
Now, skull and bones.
unidentified
Yeah, now, George W. Let's talk about the false flags.
dan friesen
Light a cigar and have a chat about these bad dudes.
Alright, so here's his next bit.
alex jones
David Degenerate Rockefeller.
jordan holmes
David Degenerate Rockefeller?
alex jones
David Rockefeller.
You might want to find out who he is.
jordan holmes
He really doesn't like you.
alex jones
He wants to put cancer viruses in your vaccines.
He really wants to kill you.
Point is a sicko.
He's a Malthus.
He's a social Darwinist.
He wants to kill 80% of you.
He says it in major publications.
He knows you don't read them, so he laughs at you.
No, but David Rockefeller, when Mal died in 76, he was in the New York Times.
He said, oh, Mal's a wonderful mouse over.
dan friesen
I want to pause there really quick because this is another thing that he does all the time is he's like, all of these globalists admit exactly what they want to do in publications, but you don't read them because you're dumb.
You're fucking dumb.
jordan holmes
You need me.
dan friesen
The implication there is I read all those.
I'm smart.
I'm going to relay this to you.
jordan holmes
I am your fearless leader.
dan friesen
The second implication is that everybody else reads those publications and is like, oh yeah, we're in on this.
And they don't tell the people because they are in on this globalist conspiracy or whatever.
jordan holmes
It's fascinating.
Let's just slow it down for a moment.
dan friesen
I apologize for going so fast.
jordan holmes
If anybody in a position of power had said he wants to kill 80% of you, don't you think you would know about it?
dan friesen
You would think, but...
jordan holmes
I mean, Bill Burr said that there is a population problem.
dan friesen
Sure, everyone knows that.
jordan holmes
Everybody knows that.
dan friesen
But our population problem, realistically, if you look at it, is more a resource allocation problem.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
We could support...
jordan holmes
So many people.
So many people.
dan friesen
If we just did things a little bit more judiciously.
jordan holmes
Yeah, but they're not going to pay us enough.
dan friesen
Nope.
No.
Listen.
jordan holmes
God damn it.
That's fucking...
Oh, that's so good.
I wish I was there.
I wish I was there.
dan friesen
Oh, man.
jordan holmes
I want to see the faces of every person in there.
Because you can hear some of those people enjoying themselves and being like, Preach it!
Preach it, motherfucker!
unidentified
No, you can't.
dan friesen
Like two of them.
jordan holmes
Okay, but that's what I'm saying.
dan friesen
And you've got to know, this is a sold-out show.
jordan holmes
I want to see the faces on the...
Oh, of course it is.
dan friesen
It's Doug Stanhope in Austin.
jordan holmes
In Austin, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
That's...
I mean, even in 04, he was huge.
jordan holmes
I want to see those faces because there was that huge round of applause at the beginning.
dan friesen
No.
jordan holmes
And then, well, okay.
dan friesen
That's a polite applause.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
The only other time people applauded en masse is when he brought up that he was about to bring up Stanhope.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah.
No, I want to see the faces turn.
That's what I want to see.
I want to see the moment where people all of a sudden, like the first sentence in, where they go, oh no.
And then the faces go blank.
dan friesen
Yeah, as someone who sees a ton of comedy.
I would love this.
jordan holmes
Oh, God, I would want to be there.
dan friesen
At least it's different.
I can't stand the number of bland, cookie-cutter, open-mic shit I see.
jordan holmes
He would be a god at open-mic comics.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
So anyway, here we go.
He's still talking about Rockefeller and how he loved Mao Zedong and blah, blah, blah.
alex jones
That's how arrogant these people are.
But let's take Saddam Hussein.
Admitted fact, 1954, young 18-year-old guy.
They hire him, CIA, takes him to Egypt, trains him how to kill people, trains him how to blow stuff up, shoot people.
They send him into Iraq.
Oh, he kills hundreds!
Hundreds!
Takes over.
And then by 1969, they tell the Ba 'ath government, we'll have Saddam stop killing all of you, and he put him in as the head of security.
Kind of like they're about to put Porter Goss in as the head of our security, our new Gestapo.
And then in 1979, they put him in as the president, and they say, sick him!
Sick him!
Get him!
unidentified
Attack!
Iran!
Kill!
Kill!
alex jones
And he kills a million, three hundred thousand of the damn Iranians.
jordan holmes
That decreased very quickly.
alex jones
And then, a few years later, they're telling him, go ahead and make a scene now.
While the ambassador, April Gillespie, sits there on a chair with him and goes, I would think you should invade immediately.
unidentified
This ain't going to fail!
And he rolls in, follows orders!
alex jones
And I watched that guy two years ago sitting there all freaked out with his cat going, I've been set up with some of the RPD.
I was ordered to do all of this.
He's finally getting all this.
But you never hear about that in America?
So do I like Saddam Hussein?
Hell no, I hate this guy, this hitman they created.
But it's the same thing with all these people.
Noriega, all of them.
It's a joke.
They've got to have somebody to bomb so they go out and create the boogeyman and have them do some mischief.
It's just incredible.
jordan holmes
I like how he calls it mischief.
dan friesen
False flags.
jordan holmes
Yeah, but mischief.
He has him kill one million people.
You know, mischief.
You know, a little bit of light shenanigans.
dan friesen
It's analogous to putting firecrackers in someone's mailbox.
jordan holmes
Yeah, a little bit of shenanigans.
dan friesen
Okay, let's get through this, because you have a show.
We've got to get through this.
alex jones
Growing up, young man, you can be president.
Any young lady can be president.
We can all be president.
It's a free country.
Is that why you've got 15 members of Stone Bones each year, 290 million people?
15 members each year.
And we can't even have two presidential candidates that aren't from that group?
dan friesen
I legitimately think that clap was Doug.
jordan holmes
That had to be Doug.
dan friesen
Because it was so unlike the reaction from the audience.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that was bananas.
dan friesen
Now, here's where shit turns.
jordan holmes
Oh, how could shit turn?
The turn already happened the moment Alex Jones was born.
unidentified
You're...
jordan holmes
Oh, come on.
Hit me with it.
alex jones
We can't even have two presidential candidates that aren't from that group.
Hey, you're blowing my buzz!
That's me, the staffer's been blowing his buzz!
No jokes or get off the stage!
unidentified
See you there?
alex jones
See you there?
unidentified
Come on, man.
jordan holmes
We're here to have fun.
alex jones
Get off the stage!
See, they asked him to come up here.
unidentified
You're blowing my buzz!
dan friesen
So, this guy is heckling him and telling him to get off stage or tell jokes, but you'll hear the wooing of the audience, and people start cheering, and that's because Doug has gotten on stage.
jordan holmes
Okay.
unidentified
Okay.
What are you saying to him?
alex jones
You guys want to...
Hang on, he's about to do the tit-fuck joke.
unidentified
Shut up!
jordan holmes
This is for me, asshole!
dan friesen
So you were laughing over it, but Doug yells at the audience, this is for me, assholes.
Which almost confirms the I was setting Alex up to fail.
unidentified
Oh, absolutely.
dan friesen
And because Alex has no goddamn confidence in the world, he keeps being like, they asked me to do this.
Look, it's almost apologizing to the audience.
I didn't want to do this.
They asked me to do it.
jordan holmes
Of course he didn't want to do it.
dan friesen
So then after Doug gets off stage...
jordan holmes
God, what a...
What a fucking pro Doug is, just walking up there for five seconds going, he's about to do the tit joke.
God, that's so good.
dan friesen
Yeah, but it's also like anybody could have made a good joke in that circumstance.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
But see, that to me sounds like that was all one bit from Stan Hope.
That he had written this years ago, and he's like, finally!
dan friesen
He wrote Alex's whole material?
jordan holmes
Finally, I get to have Alex Jones say nonsense for this one fucking killer punchline.
dan friesen
This whole time he's been like, I've always wanted to do a two-man act.
jordan holmes
Oh, he's a sleeper cell.
It's a false flag operation there.
dan friesen
So after Doug gets off stage, Alex does a little bit of pandering.
alex jones
And that's what I was going to say about Doug.
He may be a degenerate atheist, but my God, he's a hell of a lot better than the Christian Coalition!
Hey, did you see the New York Post two weeks ago?
Now, I've already broken in there and proven all this, but it said, Dave Burnstar servicing Republican leaders at the Bohemian Grove.
You want to know where the FBI needs to be investigating people?
It's over there.
But that's my point, is it's totally hypocritical.
The whole thing's a giant scam.
And, you know, I forgot this guy in the stratosphere who wants to go back to Kansas.
You're not in Kansas anymore.
I forgot where I was at when he interrupted me.
As I was closing down.
As I was completing my bombardment.
dan friesen
So what's awesome about that is...
jordan holmes
As he was about to get to that killer titfuck joke.
dan friesen
With the idea that he was going somewhere.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I know.
That's my point is the best thing that Alex Jones ever says.
dan friesen
He says it a lot.
jordan holmes
He has no idea what his point is, ever.
dan friesen
Yeah, this set might be the secret of 2017.
jordan holmes
That could be the secret of 2017.
God damn it, what is...
What did he think was going to happen?
I want to be in...
Every time we play a new clip, every single time, all I think is like, what does it feel like to...
I want to crawl inside of his brain and just sit there and watch that, like the movie Inside Out, where you have those five different emotions.
It's probably just like anger and then a flickering neon light.
Just making anger angrier.
dan friesen
I don't even think it's necessarily anger.
I don't think it's necessarily.
I think there's a lot of jealousy.
I think there's a ton of jealousy that motivates him.
jordan holmes
Yeah, spite.
dan friesen
Spite.
jordan holmes
Spite is a big one.
dan friesen
Definitely fear.
Fear is a massive motivator.
jordan holmes
Do you think he's afraid?
dan friesen
I just said fear is a huge motivator.
jordan holmes
I know, but that's my...
Is he actually afraid?
Is he afraid or is he projecting that fear because that's what he needs to sell gold?
dan friesen
It's hard to say.
I want to know!
Yeah.
Well, I mean, maybe in the years that we end up doing this podcast, we'll figure it out.
But for now, I don't know.
It's still a mystery.
jordan holmes
Oh, my God.
If we actually had him as a guest on this podcast, it would be the greatest day of our lives.
dan friesen
If he ever finds out that we're doing this...
jordan holmes
I'm sure we'll be murdered.
dan friesen
No.
I almost guarantee...
jordan holmes
Look, I don't even want to leave the bunker.
We've got meetings to take.
dan friesen
We're in occupied Illinois.
jordan holmes
We are in...
unidentified
I guarantee...
dan friesen
And I mean this.
If he were to find out that we're doing this show, he would bring it up.
jordan holmes
Yes, he would!
unidentified
I think he would!
jordan holmes
He totally would!
Even if we still never had any listeners, even if it was 30 listeners consistently, if he found out it was us, he would totally do that.
dan friesen
I also think, even though we're doing this show out of my bedroom, but I also think he would accuse us of being MSM.
Or George Soros funded.
jordan holmes
Or elites, or whatever it is.
dan friesen
These globalists sitting in Dan's bedroom.
jordan holmes
But see, and that's the other thing that is kind of amazing about the world we live in, is that by doing that, he only makes us stronger.
dan friesen
Oh, so we're like Obi-Wan in this?
jordan holmes
No, I mean, like, so it's entirely possible that any of those situations...
So, have you ever seen The Boondocks?
dan friesen
I knew the comic strip.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
So there was a cartoon show and they had such a great observation about Ann Coulter and then Al Sharpton and how they would go on those TV shows and do the yelling at each other thing.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
And then they would go into the green room and they would just hug each other and be like, man, this is so much fun how we get to do this.
And it's all manufactured.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
Just by pretending to have a point of view, you wind up getting paid.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
And that's amazing.
dan friesen
An elaborate scam.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah.
It is an elaborate scam.
And God, we should get into that.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
That's what I'm saying.
We need to get into that market.
dan friesen
But also, I want to take a step back and say, I have no interest in a scam.
I just want to laugh at Alex Jones.
jordan holmes
We will absolutely disguise any advertisement.
dan friesen
Oh, we'll disguise the fuck out of it.
jordan holmes
We will disguise the shit out of your advertisements.
dan friesen
Also, Jordan, I just bought some platinum recently.
I don't know if you...
unidentified
Really?
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
How much is platinum worth these days?
dan friesen
Oh my god, the market is on the rise.
jordan holmes
What would you say would happen if, I don't know, like the electronic money market goes down?
Would platinum still have value?
dan friesen
Oh my god, it's so much.
jordan holmes
Would it actually shoot up in value?
dan friesen
Oh, way up.
jordan holmes
Are you saying that it would be a good investment for me to get into right now?
dan friesen
Let me tell you, if you buy platinum, you're gonna get your dick sucked.
Anyway, we have one more clip.
This is Alex Jones' big closer.
jordan holmes
Knowledge fight.
Buy platinum, get dick sucked.
dan friesen
I am going to bring out a cigarette because I think we've got to smoke one while he closes out his set because this is one of the most Alex Jones-style ends of a set.
jordan holmes
The Alex Jones-ian of endings.
dan friesen
Yep, here we go.
alex jones
As I was completed, my bombardment of the gray matter.
What was it?
Yeah, was that what I was talking about?
All right.
unidentified
What?
alex jones
What are you talking about?
jordan holmes
What did I call you?
alex jones
I called you a big fucking pussy.
unidentified
Oh, yeah?
alex jones
I called you, Bruiser.
Bam!
unidentified
Bam!
alex jones
You're a big man!
You don't want to hear the truth because you're a little coward.
You can't handle the truth.
You don't want to hear about 59...
jordan holmes
I assume Stanhope is coming up on stage and that's why the applause is coming up.
dan friesen
Okay.
Stanhope was peeking out from the curtain.
jordan holmes
Yeah, absolutely.
unidentified
That's a coward right there, folks.
alex jones
That's a coward.
unidentified
That's a punk bitch who loves the New World Order.
alex jones
That's not a saying, though.
Hey, you want to be slaves?
Don't worry.
There's 7 million of you in prisons now.
They're building more.
And when you're in it, crying for somebody to help you?
Why?
Why?
jordan holmes
I'll be asking for you.
unidentified
Yeah, no, no.
You'll be asking why the five-minute guys got you bent over the table, and you'll be wishing you weren't a slave, punk.
Because you weren't man enough to face the new world order.
That's right.
dan friesen
You're a punk.
alex jones
Don't stand up, ladies and gentlemen.
unidentified
I'll be standing right there, punk.
You will swing first and see what happens.
It'll be...
dan friesen
So first of all, we should all be so fucking lucky as to have that kind of an introduction.
jordan holmes
God damn, you're a punk bitch.
dan friesen
Who's too afraid to face the New World Order.
But you gotta hear what he says right after he introduces Stanhope, because it's crazy.
unidentified
okay so he's Fucking Doug Stanhope.
dan friesen
If you listening couldn't make that out, he's like, I'll be sitting right over there.
Come up.
Swing first and see what happens.
It'll be on video.
That's amazing.
jordan holmes
God, imagine if...
unidentified
Wow.
dan friesen
Now, here's what I want to bring up.
jordan holmes
Imagine if his callers were not pre-screened.
And he actually had to deal with...
dan friesen
Baba Booey.
Baba Booey.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah.
Anybody at any time.
Like, all of his broadcasts would just be unveiled threats.
All the time, right?
dan friesen
Or not threats.
There would be so many smart people dancing circles around him.
jordan holmes
I don't think so.
I think it would just be him.
Because the only way that he responds to any challenge is through the threat of violence, right?
dan friesen
Yeah, I'll kick your ass, pussy.
jordan holmes
Yeah, right?
And there's no reasonable argument.
dan friesen
And if you disagree with him, you love the New World Order.
jordan holmes
You, of course, love the New...
Which...
dan friesen
It's a one-to-one comparison, of course.
jordan holmes
I mean, are we talking about pre-Hulk Hogan or post-Hulk Hogan?
dan friesen
I was always into the Wolfpack.
jordan holmes
You were always into the Wolfpack.
dan friesen
Fair enough.
I like colors.
jordan holmes
I like red.
Yeah, they were black and white, right?
dan friesen
And they got Sting.
No, the Wolfpack was red and black.
Hollywood was...
jordan holmes
I gotcha.
I gotcha.
dan friesen
I didn't like the lineup of Hollywood NWO.
I always preferred...
You got Sting.
You got Kevin Nash.
That's all I remember in the red and black.
jordan holmes
That's the end of that.
Yeah.
We solved that problem right there.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
No, I mean...
Because it seems like any time he's challenged on anything, even the slightest challenge, it is immediate violence.
dan friesen
Well, it's immediate flip into character.
jordan holmes
Do you think this is a character?
dan friesen
Well, I think you saw it there.
Like, when he yelled a couple times, it was this attempt to get into the Alex Jones persona other than just rambling about nonsense.
unidentified
Right.
jordan holmes
What is he like off?
Off air.
dan friesen
Probably not pleasant.
unidentified
I don't know.
jordan holmes
Yeah, right?
He can't be a good dude.
dan friesen
I'm sure there are nice qualities about him.
I'm sure he's not a monster of a human, but I bet he wouldn't be fun to hang out with.
jordan holmes
Yeah, but I think depressed him would be interesting to listen to.
dan friesen
Oh, we learned that on the last episode.
jordan holmes
Yes, we did learn that on the last episode.
dan friesen
Barfly Alex Jones might be fun.
jordan holmes
Barfly Alex Jones is Charles Bukowski.
That's really what's happening.
Charles Bukowski who believes in concentration camps.
dan friesen
In Austin.
But the thing I wanted to bring up was that...
All this talk about, you know, Bill Hicks faked his death and became Alex Jones.
That's a very Bill Hicks end of that set.
jordan holmes
That's a super Bill Hicks way to go about it.
dan friesen
Yeah, that's...
You're dumb pussy.
Come on, come on, come fight me.
You're dumb.
You know, that whole, you're dumb cunt.
I'm a dumb cunt.
That whole bit.
jordan holmes
Texas, man.
Texas.
Texas?
unidentified
I...
jordan holmes
Oh, Texas.
dan friesen
Or it's proof that Alex Jones is Bill Hicks.
Which I one million percent don't believe.
And I think is stupid.
unidentified
It is.
jordan holmes
It is.
Oh, man.
But what if it was?
What if it was?
Let's live in a world where it is.
dan friesen
There's no sense in that sort of intellectual distraction.
jordan holmes
That's a good point.
dan friesen
The truth is that Alex Jones once tried stand-up, and it went like that.
I hope that lived up to the hype that I built up.
jordan holmes
That was some solid...
Wow, that was nuts.
dan friesen
Isn't it mind-blowing, these weird kernels that we keep finding with Alex Jones?
To be fair, I knew about all this stuff.
jordan holmes
Right, no, I had no idea.
Of course, that's the whole idea of this.
But, goddammit, the opportunities that he has to be crazier and crazier all the time is mind-boggling.
dan friesen
It's gorgeous.
jordan holmes
I want to marry him.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
I want him to be my wife.
unidentified
We should make a trio marriage with Alex Jones.
jordan holmes
Well, you're a good Christian man.
I'm a good Christian man.
I think we all agree.
dan friesen
If he would be the third host of this podcast and we could just get like, what were you thinking when you said that?
jordan holmes
God.
dan friesen
That would be the best podcast ever.
jordan holmes
Oh, man.
Yeah.
dan friesen
If we could really make this an after show.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Yeah, absolutely.
dan friesen
Or, dude, if we could just interview Leanne McAdoo.
jordan holmes
Goddamn.
I'm assuming that he doesn't have, like, staff writers, right?
I don't know.
Like, he has researchers, but nobody writes his material.
dan friesen
I don't think anyone could write.
jordan holmes
Well, I mean, nobody wrote that material.
dan friesen
But the stuff that he says in the clips that we play, and, I mean, the show, the clips are indicative of the show as a whole.
There's no way you could script that.
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
It's so meandering.
jordan holmes
No, it's riffing.
dan friesen
Yeah, it's...
But if you had to fill...
jordan holmes
Which is an admirable quality.
In some ways.
No, it's an admirable skill.
unidentified
Well...
jordan holmes
Because most people can't riff.
dan friesen
That's true.
jordan holmes
And he can just fly off the handle.
dan friesen
If you need two hours of time filled and you don't care about the quality, he's your man.
jordan holmes
He's your man.
But that's, like, he's just a sports talk radio host.
For conspiracy theories.
dan friesen
For the globalists.
jordan holmes
For the globalists.
dan friesen
For the anti-globalists.
jordan holmes
My favorite boogeyman is the globalist because no matter what happens, he just can go back to it.
dan friesen
See, if I had a soundboard, I could play, I'm your boogeyman.
I could do that.
I could just put in those like...
Have that pre-ready.
Yeah, it is.
It is a great boogeyman because it's so vague that it can mean whatever you want.
jordan holmes
If you are heckling him at a comedy show, that means you're a fan of the New World Order.
unidentified
You're a globalist.
jordan holmes
That's how fast it happens.
dan friesen
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
God damn it.
Enjoy getting raped in prison, too.
There's five men holding you down.
What the fuck are you even talking about?
jordan holmes
That's rough.
I wouldn't wish that on my worst globalist enemy.
dan friesen
Absolutely not.
jordan holmes
That sounds like a bad day.
It sounds like a bad day at best.
dan friesen
If you want to make a bad day a good day, why don't you hit us up on Twitter at knowledge underscore fight.
Or you can reach out to us by email at knowledgefight at gmail.com.
jordan holmes
We are also on iTunes.
Search for Knowledge Fight.
You will find us.
dan friesen
And also on YouTube.
You can find it there.
jordan holmes
But don't search for Fight Knowledge.
I looked at Fight Knowledge.
Not very good.
Zero Alex Jones.
dan friesen
Boxing tips.
jordan holmes
Zero Alex Jones.
dan friesen
It's the sweet science.
Thank you all so much.
Jordan, thanks for joining me.
This has been so much fun.
jordan holmes
This is the best day of my life.
dan friesen
Your set tonight goes much better than what we just listened to.
Thank you all so much for listening.
We'll catch you next time, hopefully sooner than later.
But...
alex jones
Andy in Kansas, you're on the air.
Thanks for holding.
unidentified
Hello, Alex.
andy in kansas
I'm a first-time caller.
unidentified
I'm a huge fan.
I love your work.
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