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Feb. 18, 2021 - Radio Renaissance - Jared Taylor
01:16:25
Is Muslim Immigration Good for the West?
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Okay, welcome, Mr. Jared Taylor.
And we have Kenny Balmer here with us, and I guess we're going to have a discussion on what you see as a problem with Islam and Muslim migration.
Let me start off with a question, if I may.
Kind of a loaded question.
Can you hear me?
Is everything coming out good?
Yes, I can hear you just fine.
Okay, great, great, great.
So here's a question.
You know, you are, I guess you consider yourself to be a white advocate.
You don't like the terminology white supremacist.
We won't use that in the discussion.
So, okay, you see me here.
I'm a dark-skinned person, which is strike one.
I'm a Muslim, strike two.
And I actively engage in spreading Islam, building mosques, and all around this country, which for some people, I guess from your perspective, and you can share more about that with us,
this is...
Nothing less than an abomination on sacred U.S. soil.
This is the way I'm understanding it.
And this is not what Lewis and Clark blazed the trails for, to see mosques spring up around this country.
So here's my question for you: How low down am I in your eyes?
Oh, for heaven's sake.
I don't use words like abomination and sacred U.S. soil.
That's probably an important difference between me and you.
I don't think the soil of any nation is sacred.
Perhaps you do.
My position is one that is shared by a large number of Americans, namely...
That this nation, to the extent that it has a core religion, is a Christian nation.
And there's no reason to dilute that core with other religions.
And there is a larger question here, and that is the question of the benefits of diversity, be it racial diversity, be it religious, be it linguistic diversity.
Diversity is a source of weakness and tension, not a source of strength.
You find that all over the world.
So, first of all...
Bringing people into the same place who are different in religion, race, language, all of these things causes division.
It is not a strength.
So that would apply not just to Muslims, not just to people from Asia, not just from people from South Asia, but for all diversity of that kind.
So that is my point of departure.
So what do you want to do with us then?
I mean, I'm actively engaging and spreading Islam.
Do you want to put us all on a boat and send us back?
I mean, we're here now.
I mean, what should we do with people like me?
I have never talked about sending anyone outside of the United States.
My position is that there should be complete freedom of association and whites should be free to associate with people like themselves.
And if they wish to have establishments in which they decide who can enter and who does not.
Now, I think it was a big mistake to let Muslims ever come into the United States, just as it was a big mistake to let Muslims ever go into Europe.
But once they're here, once they're citizens, we have to work out some kind of amicable form of separation.
You are apparently in the business of trying to convert people to Islam.
Presumably you would like everyone in the United States to be Muslim.
Presumably you would like to establish Sharia law in the United States, if that is your belief in Islam.
That's not what most Americans want.
And for most Americans, the idea of people being Islamic and taking it very seriously and, for example, insisting that women cover up, insisting that there be separate bathing hours for men and women in swimming pools, insisting on having foot baths in universities where people can wash their feet before they worship and special rooms set aside from them.
All of this is a huge past.
Also, to the extent that Muslims...
Insist on not serving pork in school lunches.
All of these are impositions on an American way of life that Americans did not ask for and do not strengthen us are all sources of tension.
And that's just to begin with.
Okay. Well, let's get into that.
Hey, can you see my desktop by any chance?
Can you see what I got here?
Probably not.
What have you got there?
Can you see my desktop?
In fact, let me go here.
I want to play some video here real quick, if I may.
I just wanted to kind of question you on a couple of things you said about Islam and definitely we'll get on to the whole thing about whether Muslims want to impose Sharia law and there's no pork being served in certain schools and therefore this is some kind of, you know, problem.
We'll get into that.
I want to play some video, if I may, of you, Jared, about some statements, questionable statements you made about Islam here.
And can you...
He just took it for himself.
He gave infidels the choice of conversion or death.
Okay, so this is one of your tapes about what use is Islam.
And you're talking about the Prophet Muhammad, who is our prophet.
You said that he gave the infidels, as you said, the choice of conversion or death.
So I have here a copy of the Holy Quran.
And I would like for you to give me the chapter and verse where I can read that.
Do you have that with us?
No, I don't.
What I can tell you is that that has been the experience of many people who encountered Islam all across.
Saudi Arabia became, or the Saudi Peninsula became Islam in a huge hurry.
It's my understanding that that was the choice given the people there.
Also, when the Muslims broke out of the Saudi Peninsula and swept across North Africa, they converted the North Africans at the point of the sword.
At 7-11, they crossed into Spain.
Conquered Spain and went all the way up to Tour France.
Whether or not you say that it was a choice of conversion or death, there's no question that Islam at that period was extremely aggressive, both militarily and religiously.
And all of that has continued vis-a-vis the West up until 1683.
Nearly a thousand years, there was constant warfare and battle between Christian Europe and the Muslim world.
All of this has laid the ground for perpetual tension and incompatibility.
It's all our fault.
But we'll get to that.
No, it's not necessarily all your fault.
It's an incompatibility.
And there's no question that Muslims invaded Spain and were prepared to conquer the entire world.
Isn't that what jihad is all about?
Spreading Islam at all costs?
You are engaged in a more peaceful jihad, starting mosques and making America as Islamic as possible.
The impulse is the same, even if the methods are different.
Okay. So, as far as you know, this is not a teaching of the Quran, because...
Let me play some more of this tape over here.
Okay. Islam starts with Muhammad, and there's a lot about him in the Muslim holy books.
He was, without a doubt, the most violent, fanatical, misogynistic, bloodthirsty sex maniac ever to start a major religion.
Okay, so now I will get to the point about how Islam spread and the battles and the things which you mentioned, and you threw a lot at me.
One thing I would ask you, just give me one point at a time.
We'll get to that, but where I'm trying to take you first is exactly what you just said.
You said it was in the holy book.
I have here the holy book, Jared, and you said that all of this violence, bloodthirsty, forced conversions, all of that can be found in this holy book.
So I guess my question is, Ray, do you have any reference for that where I can read it and find it?
The Hadith and the Sirah and the Koran are very lengthy documents.
I do not claim to be an expert on all of the content.
And it is my understanding that there are passages in the Koran that talk about death to infidels.
I understand that there are also passages that are more peaceful.
You can find various kinds of passages in Islam.
I think it is more important to look at the actual historical record of Islam, and there is no question.
Are you suggesting to me that Muslims never gave people a choice between conversion and death?
They never massacred their enemies?
They never took sex slaves when they conquered infidel tribes?
They never did any of this?
What's that?
I can only deal with one point at a time.
I'll address one point.
See, yes, I definitely will go to the history.
I definitely will go to the battles.
All the points you brought up, I will go there with you.
I'll take you there.
But you see, my point to you, Jared, is you made a statement here.
In fact, let's play this one more time.
You said it was in the Holy Book.
You said it was in the Holy Book.
You see, my point here, and where I'm trying to get at, what I'm trying to get at is...
This is a complete fabrication.
There is nothing in the Quran which teaches to force people into other religions.
And here's what's so inexcusable about this.
If you were to just go and take a history lesson, like at a bonafide college or university.
In fact, I got a tape for you.
And I'll give you this after we're done.
This is University of Chicago.
He gives a history lesson.
About the history of Islam and we'll talk about that.
They talk a great deal about the issue of forced conversion.
So my point here, and they will actually tell you that one of the great aspects about Islam is that it doesn't force its religion on people and from a historical perspective, they'll show you this is why many people found Islam attractive.
Mr. Ahmed, let's assume I'm completely wrong.
There is nothing in the Quran.
Nothing in the hadith, nothing in the syrah about violence of any kind.
Let's assume I'm completely 100% wrong and that I know nothing about your holy books.
Let's assume that's the case.
Let's simply look at history and let's simply look at what Muslims believe.
Let's look at what Muslims do and believe today.
I mean if you look at what's happening in Muslims in Great Britain, for example.
All of these sex grooming cases in Rotherham, there were 1,500 British girls who were taken advantage of, raped, passed around like meat, bought and sold, many of them tortured.
In Telford, an estimated 1,000 girls, some of them as young as 11 years old.
Newcastle, 700 girls.
Rochdale, Huddersfield.
There's been a continuing phenomenon in Britain.
Now, I'm not saying, I'm not claiming that the Hadith says, go out and groom English girls.
I'm not saying that at all.
I'm saying these things happened, and these were done by Muslims who were immigrants into the UK.
And that's just to begin with.
Jared, you're giving me a long list of things to respond to.
Did they happen or not?
Okay. Jared, Jared, please, please.
Just chill one second.
Okay, so you did give me the issue about the battles, which took place after...
Prophet Muhammad, I still got that on the list.
I got a whole list of things I got addressed.
And now you've added the issue about the grooming gangs and all that, which is nothing more than imitation of the kafar.
And we'll talk about that.
Imitation of what?
Imitation of the kafar.
Yeah, raping girls is an imitation of the kafar.
And what those people are doing are actually imitating them.
But, but, but, but, but, but, but.
Let's go back to that.
Whoa, whoa, whoa.
One second, please.
Okay. Kenny, if you could also kind of chime in, just so we could get some order.
I'm just letting you gentlemen talk, but as I'm listening...
I need a little help.
Well, my point here is, please, we want to go to the...
We're going to start with a scripture.
What the Quran teaches and the Hadith and all those things, because you did say it's in the book.
Okay, then I don't think that's very interesting.
Let's eliminate that by saying I'm completely wrong, that the Quran, the Hadith, and the Syrah are all about love, nothing about violent conversion.
Let's just set that aside, because I'm not an expert in any of those things.
Let's just say I was completely and 100% wrong.
Let's just talk about what Muslims do today.
How's that?
We'll get away from scripture.
Okay, and I will accept that.
Maybe you're not well-versed in the Quran.
You're not very well-versed in the Hadith.
Therefore, you're not ready to take on this type of challenge.
And that's totally fine.
That's totally fine.
I accept that.
But I want to now, and I will address all the points which you've raised.
But see, my point to you, Jared, is before, you made a video here, and I hope you will, not this video.
You did make a video in which you specifically pointed that the Muslims are only acting in accordance to what Muhammad did and what the Quran teaches.
And my point to you is, from what it looks like, and I'm going to come into your defense.
Jared, I'm going to come to your defense here.
I'm not going to blame you.
I don't like to be defended.
Maybe I'm wrong.
I don't claim to understand that...
Here's what's wrong.
Here's where the problem happened.
Here's how this mistake happened, okay?
And I'm going to kind of defend you here.
I'm not...
The purpose here tonight, you know, I know how people...
This is coming off that, okay, Jared is a, quote, white supremacist, which he doesn't accept that term.
No, I'm not.
White advocate.
Okay, that's fine.
And so it looks like, okay, I've kind of set you up to...
Give you the big fall, and that's not the case here.
I'm going to tell you how this mistake happened, okay?
Look, I don't care.
I don't care how it may have been that I have a misapprehension of Quranic scripture.
That makes no difference to me, ultimately.
I suspect that there are passages in the Quran and the Hadith and the Surah that support what I'm saying, but I cannot prove it.
Let me ask a question.
I've got to ask you a question.
If you can't prove what you're saying, you can't substantiate what you're saying, but you're making blanket statements based on limited knowledge, knowledge that you don't have...
Then why is it that you're making those comments?
Why would you make such a blanket comment and blanket statements when you have no knowledge about what you're talking about?
You're speaking from ignorance.
Okay, guys, guys, everyone chill.
Okay, here, guys, guys, please, please, everyone chill.
Let me talk about Plato here.
It means you're simply speaking from ignorance.
But go ahead, go ahead.
Here's where the problem is.
I want everyone to just listen to what, give me two minutes, please, and then we'll address the issues Jared talked about.
So here's what happens, and here's why these type of mistakes happen.
This is called the Platonic Cave.
Have you heard about the Platonic Cave, Jared?
Of course.
Look, I find this discussion utterly uninteresting because I've told you I may be completely wrong.
I got this information from sources I thought were trustworthy.
Maybe they may not.
So let's just move aside.
I do not care.
What it says in the Koran.
I agree.
I agree.
I don't care what it says.
You don't care, but you do care to make blanket statements.
Kenny, Kenny, Kenny, please, please.
Hold on.
You don't care.
You don't care, but you care enough to make blanket statements repeatedly and make videos over and over again.
Okay, I'm sorry.
What I'm saying is...
Okay, let me just say one thing.
May I speak for an uninterrupted 20 seconds?
Yes, yes, yes.
What I'm saying is, I got information from what I thought was reliable sources about documents I do not have the time to read.
Maybe they were wrong.
Maybe they were deceptive.
But to me, what is in the Quran is vastly unimportant.
What is important is the effect of Muslims on Western...
Countries when they immigrate in large numbers.
That to me is important.
And if you all say I'm completely wrong about the Quran and all the inscriptions, that's fine.
Let's not even talk about that.
There's no purpose in talking about that.
We're done with that.
In fact, let me close all these windows.
We're not going to talk about that anymore.
It's convenient.
It's very convenient.
Please, please, Kenny.
He's already accepted he's wrong.
I could very well be wrong.
It's not an important matter.
We're not going to go there anymore.
Okay, let me close all these windows.
Yes. Okay, good.
Let me say one thing about Plato, and then we can go on to the rape gangs.
Can I do that, please?
About what?
I want to talk about the Platonic Cave just for a minute, and then we can go on to the rape gangs.
I suspect this is very not helpful, but go ahead if you wish.
This is my understanding, okay?
And just give me one minute here.
And this is very interesting.
A lot of people love to hear about the Platonic Cave.
So here's what happens.
So basically, Plato described how these type of problems happen.
So here we see in the Platonic cave, we have these people here who are in the hoods.
These are the myth makers.
These are the people who trap these people in the cave to believe in these false things.
Now, they can get out of the cave at any time, but they're too scared because they put a fire over here.
This fire here is Islamist terrorism.
The Quran teaches hate and all of this stuff about Islam.
So this is so Plato actually basically described what we as Muslims are Experiencing today now.
This is really interesting.
You can go into Google.
Too bad.
I'm very sorry for you, but this is not helpful.
Okay, that's fine.
All right, and finally some people are able to make it out And this is what I believe my job is here because you know you asked well, how is Islam helping?
Well, I feel like I'm this kind of guy over here yelling over here Trying to expose the myth and the silly propaganda, like this is the Fox News lies and Pat Robertson who are trying to...
That's fine.
Look, shout about it all you like.
I concede I know very little about those documents, and maybe I'm completely wrong.
So there's no point in talking about them anymore.
So let's talk about...
So explain to me.
Explain away the 1,500 victims in Rotherham and the 1,000 victims in Telford.
Explain those away for me.
Okay, so what you're talking about are the terrorist attacks?
No, no, no.
These are the sex grooming.
Oh, the sex grooming.
Yes. Almost exclusively by Pakistani Muslims.
They take advantage of young English girls.
They get them drunk.
They pass them or they get them having sex.
They drug them.
They beat them.
They pass them around.
They buy and sell them.
It's absolutely disgusting what's been done.
And I lose you.
I lose you.
It's shameful.
Okay. And Jared, I do accept what you're saying is horrible.
It's wrong.
And some people have wrongfully claimed that this is Islam, which is causing them to behave this way.
So let me start off by saying, if someone makes that claim, I'm going to go after them.
So I would advise you, Jared, if you're going to say something like that, I will go after you and show you.
And I'll have the Quran once again.
I'll ask you, okay, you show me where it says that.
Okay, but anyways, let me continue.
Let me answer your question.
So when the Pakistani people, when they do these type of things, when they rape women, then this is something which we call imitation of the kuffar.
They are imitating the non-believers.
Because this rape gangs and raping white women or whoever, whatever, this is something we see happen inside South Africa, which preceded What the people are doing in England.
We see in countries like Liberia, where 60 to 90% of these women have been raped.
So raping girls and doing this type of stuff is imitation of the kopar.
We condemn it.
We hate it.
Now, I want to give you a possible reason why this is happening.
I believe it is because of the influence of cyber porn.
Can just get the porn on their, what's it called, their phones.
And I believe when people are raised from a very young age, like 12, and they're looking at porn every day, every day, then unfortunately, these things happen.
That's my theory.
Go ahead.
Okay, that's your theory.
But it is, in the UK, it is almost exclusively Pakistanis and other Muslims who are doing this.
Let me finish.
Cyber porn is available to everyone.
It's these Pakistani Muslims who are behaving in this particular way.
Likewise, rape in Sweden.
The BBC reports that 58% of the men convicted of rape in Sweden are born overseas.
Overwhelmingly, they are from the Middle East, North Africa, and East Africa.
A foreign-born of 24% of the population committing 58% of the rapes.
That means they are four times more likely than Swedes to be convicted of rape.
Why would any nation want a group within its borders that is four times more likely to commit rape?
And I don't care.
Whether it's due to cyber porn, whether there's anything in the hadith that says go out and rape the white women, I don't care.
The fact is, this is happening and Western countries should not have to put up with it.
Well, I agree that Western countries should not have to put up with it.
I agree with you on, you know, that this is something.
And really, I don't, I don't, neither I nor the researchers have a good answer for the reason of this.
Really, it's a recent phenomenon from my understanding.
You can correct me, Jared, if I'm mistaken about this.
Because in the 90s, we never saw these things, right?
That's because there were so few Muslims living in the West in the 90s.
This has happened.
And look.
We can go from sexual attacks.
You know, there is a way in which we have been enriched.
We in the West have been enriched with a word that we've never heard before.
It's called taharusha.
Perhaps I'm pronouncing that incorrectly, but you'll remember on the square in front of Cologne Cathedral in Cologne, Germany, on New Year's Eve, there were hundreds of German women who were surrounded and violated sexually by overwhelmingly Muslim men.
This is a phenomenon we see across Europe.
In Sweden, there was the We Are Stiff festival.
The same thing happened there year after year, but the Swedes were so terrified of being accused of Islamophobia that they covered it up and didn't report it.
And the same thing happened in Cologne.
Why should a European country wish to have people like this?
On their territory.
This to me is insanity.
And again, you may say Islam's got nothing to do with it.
There's nothing in the Quran that suggests this should be done or can be defended, but it is happening.
And that is the important point.
Are you denying that these things happened?
No, I'm accepting they're happening.
I also accept that you have the right to be angry.
I'm angry.
Everyone should be angry at what's going on.
But now we also see that You know, as I showed you in South Africa and other places, we also find these rape games.
We also find...
And if you say, okay, Muslims are doing these bad things over here, as you pointed out, and you have all these statistics about the different minorities, the bad stuff they're also doing.
So I guess by the same logic, you would have to...
Say, well, why should we have blacks or Hispanics in America?
We should somehow do something with them.
Because you also, and I don't know what your statistics are, but you also got bad statistics on them too.
So we're not the only minorities which are misbehaving, wouldn't you agree?
No, no, no, no, you're not.
You are a minority that has come recently and that we have the right, we had every reason to keep out, but for reasons that are incomprehensible to me in the name of some sort of diversity, we admitted, the Western countries admitted these minorities.
Why add to a collection of people who are misbehaving?
And then, if you even talk about terrorism in the United States, there's a 2011 report by the Heritage Foundation that since September 11, 2001, since those terrorist attacks, 40 Islamic terrorist plots have been foiled by the FBI.
40! And since 2009, there have been 11...
Deadly attacks, including the Boston Marathon, the Fort Hood shooting, the San Bernardino shooting, the Pulse nightclub, in which 94 Americans have been killed.
These are Muslims.
Muslims who are only 1% of the American population are committing these crimes, aside from all of these problems of halal or not.
Or bathing with women or not.
Why should we import a group of people if only a small number of them is committing this kind of attack?
There's a very simple solution.
Just don't let them in.
The same is true for terrorism in Europe.
In the last four years...
Can I answer some of that?
Yeah, I'm sorry.
I'm sorry.
In fact, I probably...
Lost a lot of the points you were mentioning.
So just give me a couple of points at a time.
So yeah, when it comes to the issue...
Muslim terrorism.
Please, please.
Let me just do one last point.
Even if only a small percentage of Muslims wish to kill Christians and Americans, why let any of them in?
There would have to be some sort of overwhelming benefit from having these people in the country if we were to accept a population even of which only a small percentage wishes to kill us.
Yes, okay.
Now... You keep talking about the whole issue about the rape gangs.
I find that to be indefensible.
I'm not even going to try to defend it.
It's disgusting.
This is an imitation of the non-believers because this whole idea of raping girls, this is something which they're imitating them.
This is the way we look at it.
Now, one of the problems is when it comes to terrorism, what you are going to find is that Your white advocates have a terrorism problem, too.
Jared, please allow me to speak.
Let's not talk over each other.
Because now, when you talk to the FBI, when you talk to the Department of Homeland Security, they see white advocates, or what you call neo-Nazi terrorism, and the far right as a greater threat.
Than even the Muslims.
Now, let me get you a reference for that, okay?
I've heard that many, many times.
But this is coming from law enforcement.
Now, this is coming from law enforcement, where they say that they are a greater threat than even the Muslims.
And in fact, I'll tell you about a program.
In fact, here's a reference I'm quoting right from here, okay?
And there's many more than that, okay?
And I know you've heard this, but here's my point here now.
Let's look at the terrorist attacks by right-wings.
And if you want to quote statistics, only 49% of your right-wing buddies here, they accept the religious freedom for Muslims, meaning giving them the free will, the free choice.
They will engage in the same religious persecution as their forefathers handed down to us.
Here is a list of terrorist attacks, just like you gave us a dirty laundry list of Muslims.
Here is your dirty laundry list, okay?
Look at this.
Suspect, arrested, accused of throwing a Bible into Colorado mosques.
That's a small one.
Let's keep going, okay?
Look, look.
Here's my point, Jared.
You have a terrorism problem.
The white advocate terrorism is a greater threat than us.
And look at this.
This is a horrible list here.
Wait, wait.
Let's assume that statistics are correct.
I think much of what is blamed On white advocacy or white nationalism is in fact nothing to do with it.
But let's assume that your statistics are absolutely correct.
Nothing to do with it.
Hold on.
Hold on.
Stop there.
What percentage of the population is white and what percentage of the population is Muslim?
The Muslim population is 1%.
The white population is about...
62%. There are 60 times more white people than Muslims in the United States.
Even if, even if, whites and Muslims were committing terrorism at equal rates, that means per capita, Muslims are 60 times more likely to be committing terrorism.
And finally, finally, these Muslims came to the United States as guests of this country.
They didn't have to be there, and I'm saying it was a terrible mistake to let them in.
The Muslims that came here originally in this country were brought here on slave ships.
No, that is the truth.
If you'd studied the history of this country, then you would know that the Muslims that were brought here were in the backs of slave ships.
And so you're condemning people and making these accusations when it's actually the white people.
And here I am, white person from Houston, Texas, and I've heard this type of bantering repeatedly from people just like you.
And so you are indeed a racist.
You are indeed a white supremacist.
Okay, hold on.
This can get very heated discussion.
Well, it's going to get heated.
I'm simply going to log off because I can't listen to a man like this and make all these blanket statements and not address that issue.
So if you want to debate me on the...
Okay, Kenny, Kenny, stop, stop, stop.
Let me just respond to this.
Let me just respond.
No, I've got to respond to what your claims are about the Muslim terrorism, that we are more likely to commit an act of terror than a white nationalist.
I'm talking about white people in general.
And that's an irrefutable point.
Furthermore... Can I answer that?
Is this what law enforcement say?
That we are more likely to...
Is this your own interpretation or is this what law enforcement says?
Wait, it's just based on the numbers.
There are 60 times as many whites as there are Muslims.
If they're committing terrorism at equal rates, then...
Muslims are 60 times more likely than whites to be committing terrorist acts.
It's a simple mathematical phenomenon.
I don't need the FBI to tell me that.
Okay, well, we go by law enforcement and what their statistics are, and what they say is they see that the right-wing, far-right groups, your white advocate brothers...
Wait, wait, look.
Yes. Are they white advocates?
Many people called right-wing...
They are sovereign citizens groups.
They are militia groups.
They don't necessarily have any kind of connection with white advocacy whatsoever.
That's exactly what we say.
Can you not see that your face is as black as our face, Jared?
If you look, you are in the same boat as we as Muslims are.
You are saying the same thing we're saying.
Oh, but they don't represent us.
Look, they are white advocates.
They argue, and I bet you they listen to your podcast.
I bet you they listen to everything you say.
But you're not...
The same story, what the Muslims are saying, they're extremists.
We don't acknowledge them.
So my point here is, you're as black as we are at this, when it comes to character.
So the issue here is law enforcement, and I'm going to tell you a story real quick here.
And this is something a little bit of FYI for you.
You know, law enforcement, they have been bugging.
They have been tracking these neo-Nazi groups and white advocate groups.
And they have been, there's a secret program in which they have been knocking on the door of every mosque in the country.
And they have put us on notice and debriefed us.
They say, we believe there are imminent attacks from groups like the Michigan militia, the three percenters, who are training in the forest right now with their semi-automatic rifles.
You know, and they say, we believe.
That they have plans on attacking mosques and committing acts of violence here.
So they offered us a free training, which I will not divulge what the details of that training is.
Well, let's put it this way.
It is a training program to neutralize any white advocate supremacist group.
Wait a minute.
Now, they are your group now, okay?
They're the extremists of your group.
And I'll tell you what, I want you to do this.
I don't know what city you live in, but on Friday, you go to the mosque.
Just go to the mosque for the Friday prayer and look at the level of security there.
We got law enforcement there.
Kenny can probably, you know, vouch for that.
Every mosque in the country, law enforcement put, you know, what's it called, security on every mosque further.
Now, why?
Who is that?
Is it from Muslim terrorists?
No, it's your brothers in race, the white advocates.
So you have a terrorism problem just like we do.
You mentioned two groups, the Michigan militia, the three percenters.
Those people have a doctrine that has nothing whatsoever to do with any kind of white racial consciousness.
But the fact is, whether or not there are some people who share some of my views who are violent does not in any way negate the fact that we have voluntarily imported a group.
Namely Muslims, which has shown itself to be violent, not just in the United States, but in Europe as well.
And that is, as I said, you have the FBI involved, and that's why they've been managed to foil these 40 Muslim terrorist plots meant to kill as many Americans as possible.
The same thing has been happening in Europe.
In the last four years, between 2015 and 2018, there have been 87 successful murderous Terrorism attacks in Europe that killed 360 people.
They're dead.
We can't bring them back.
We don't know how many are wounded.
And that doesn't even include the 193 dead in the Madrid attack in 2004 or the 52 dead in the London attack.
This is a problem.
This is a problem in the West when Muslims arrive in large numbers.
Have you ever heard of a Muslim attack in Hungary?
Or Estonia?
Or Poland?
No, because they don't accept Muslims.
Okay, so here's my response to what you just said.
Yes. To all the terrorist attacks.
Right. I'm going to use your line.
Thanks, Jared.
Some people who share some of my views who are violent.
So I'm going to give you the same.
You see, the way you try to defend your white advocate terrorist buddies, the same defense can be...
They're not my terrorist buddies.
Okay, okay.
Hold on, Jared.
Let me talk now.
I gave you a short amount of time.
Okay. So you see, the thing is, you cannot, I don't know if it is an issue of, you know, arrogance and just vanity.
You cannot accept that white advocates like yourself has a terrorism problem.
Just like us, and you cannot accept that for a same reason.
And every justification you give to defend, to write off these fringe groups, you said there are people who share my views who are just some people who share my views who are violent.
I accept that, Jared.
Now you need to accept the same explanation from me.
So, you know, I think we are in the same boat here.
Now, regarding the death toll and all of that, we have that.
Well, okay, now here's the thing.
Now, this is where it gets a little bit tricky.
White nationalists are not any more peaceful.
They aspire to commit the same death toll here in America.
But there's a problem now.
There's actually three problems.
I just want to give you, because, you know, if you say we don't belong here, I don't think white advocates need to be booted out, too, because their rate of terrorism is just as bad as ours.
Well, Jared, if I just may want to say one thing, I'll let you talk here.
See, the white advocate terrorists, you know, which you claim you have no affiliation with, and I believe that, just like they're Muslim terrorists, and I got no affiliation with them as well.
They have three problems, which, why they cannot commit the acts of terror in the large numbers, like the Muslims are committing, some of them are doing.
Number one, they have been infiltrated more heavily by the FBI and groups like that, number one.
Number two, even though they have every intention to commit large mass murder attacks, just like you described on mosques, many of them are ex-military, many of them are ex-police, and they don't want to get into a firefight in front of a mosque in America.
So there is a standing...
Cease and desist order because they know that's exactly what's going to happen if they launch attacks on moths all around the country, which the FBI have said this is exactly what their plan is.
Wait, wait, wait.
Yeah, so go ahead, Jerry.
How you're reading people's minds, you're saying things that you have absolutely no way of knowing.
That's what you were doing earlier.
That's the same thing that I told you earlier.
I'm simply telling you what is happening.
First of all, white people have built this country and white people are here.
White people are in Europe.
They've been there for a long, long time.
They did not have to let these outsiders in.
That's the main point.
All this discussion is supposed to be about whether Muslim immigration to the West is a good thing or a bad thing.
I'm giving you reasons why it's obviously a terrible thing.
And that's why, as I say, Hungary, Poland, the Czech Republic, the Slovaks, the Baltic states, they don't want Muslims because they see what a terrible problem they are.
And I say God bless them.
Now, it's all very well to say there are some people who are racially conscious white people who are violent.
I agree that that's the case.
I wish they were not, and I condemn that completely.
But the point is...
They were here to begin with.
They weren't led into the country through some kind of crazy notion of diversity.
And the same thing in Europe.
And I'm saying we'd be much, much, much better off if they were not here.
Well, you know, when you say that they see what a terrible problem Muslims are, you know, so, you know, you're putting me in a position which you are now wanting me to defend my existence in this country.
You're putting me in a position where you, you know, where I have to defend mass immigration.
Well, the first thing...
I have to admit to you, I don't know a lot about immigration.
I don't know a lot about the racial issues.
My, you know, my expertise is more inside Islam and with the Quran and the Hadith.
And, you know, you mentioned some of the battles which took place and why did the Muslims conquer and things like that.
That's really where my expertise is.
But there's a lot of positive things, you know, which are about Muslims, which we can share with you if you like.
But what I can't convince you of, Jared.
I don't know about mass immigration, whether you can open up the floodgates from the Middle East to come into Europe and America.
I don't know much about that kind of stuff.
But there are many good things about Muslim people, which maybe I would like to educate you on.
I have no doubt that there are many...
And we bring a lot of good, yeah.
I don't doubt that there are many honest, hard-working, generous Muslims.
But the point is, many of them bring attitudes that are completely incompatible with the West.
In 2016, according to a Guardian poll in Britain, 52% of the Muslims says homosexuality should be illegal.
That's completely out of step with the British public.
Only 5% of Britons think that.
20% of British Muslims say that adulterers should be stoned to death.
That's completely out of step with Britain.
23% want Sharia law imposed on Britain.
For heaven's sake, this is something completely different.
From the way British people think.
Likewise, we have attitudes of this kind in this country as well.
I don't know if you remember, in the Minneapolis airport.
Many of the taxi drivers were Muslims, and they refused to take dogs, little pet dogs, in the taxi.
They refused to take anyone who had a bottle of alcohol with them.
They were imposing their ideas.
Perhaps those are part of sharia, perhaps not.
I don't claim to know.
But these were Muslims saying, we're not even going to pick up somebody who's got a little dog with him or has got a bottle of wine.
This is the sort of thing is completely unacceptable in the West.
Also, the way Muslims want women to cover up, they think that walking around in a bathing suit, many of them think that's immoral.
That is incompatible with life in the West.
And there is absolutely no reason why we should let people in in large numbers who take those views.
And many of the views are even more shocking.
You know, the number of people who think that drinking, that drinking alcohol is morally wrong, 93% in Southeast Asia, 84% in the Middle East, 82% in Sub-Saharan Africa think that drinking alcohol is morally wrong.
Well, they're allowed to think that, but it is no good for the West to have people who have this moral attitude towards something that's commonly accepted in our countries thinking that it's morally wrong.
How can that possibly help the West?
Okay, here.
Now you threw a big laundry list of stuff.
Let me address them one by one.
So, you know, the negative attitudes towards homosexualities.
Well, you know, if we look inside this country, let's just say you're in America and I'm in America.
I don't think the homosexuals are too much worried about Muslims coming out there and killing them.
There's only one incident which really happened, and that was inside the nightclub which happened in Orlando, but that was because of different reasons.
It was more because of what was going on in Syria and the atrocities that were being committed against Muslims, so he used them as a likely target.
You see, the thing about homosexuality, adulterers, and stuff like that, Christians share the same value.
In fact, I'll give you an example of a group.
The Jehovah Witness people, they do not salute the American flag.
They do not believe in supporting this country.
They see this country, the American government, as almost like an idolatrous government.
They share many of the same values, which actually Muslims do.
But we don't, of course, we don't share the whole issue about not saluting the flag.
But yet, that's okay.
Many Christians actually have the same viewpoint which you have.
For example, there are Seventh-day Adventists who don't believe in drinking alcohol.
They see that is morally wrong.
You have apostolic Christians.
You have different...
The name of the group of Christians who are not apostolic, but the...
I'm sure you know what I'm talking about, who wear the bonnet on their head.
They see wearing a bathing suit as immoral too, but they're okay.
You have Orthodox Jewish women who don't wear a bathing suit, but that's okay.
So having views which conflict with modernity is okay, so long as you don't...
You know, we can both agree you don't plan on forcing other people to do that.
Now, from the last time I've checked, no woman wearing a bathing suit, a bikini, is afraid of a Muslim attacking them in United States of America.
I can never say it will never, never happen, but I think it is a very, very...
Low probability of that happening.
So your reasons for us being incompatible with you, they're laughable, Jared.
Come on, try better than that.
Wait, no.
Look at what is happening in Europe after the 2015 migration.
There are public swimming pools in Germany that had to shut down.
Because so many of these Muslims were showing up and molesting the girls in their bikinis.
This is what happens, apparently, when you have a sufficient number of Muslims.
Remember, they're only 1% in the United States, only one out of 100.
Who knows what they will be like when more of them show up?
Furthermore, the idea of stoning adulterers to death, at which 20% of British Muslims think that that's a great idea, that is completely incompatible.
You know that's in the Bible, right?
Well, no Christian thinks that.
No Christian thinks that at all.
And for this to say, oh, well, you guys do the same weird things.
No. Wait a second.
Tonight, people are going to the clubs downtown.
I don't know where you are.
There's going to be all kinds of adultery.
You've got the porn industry.
You've got the adult entertainment.
Are they really worried about Muslims stoning them?
Is that really a problem?
Not yet.
They're going to, right?
We're going to start stoning porn stars.
That's what you're trying to tell people here.
Look, look.
Those porn stars are going to get stoned.
I'm sorry, Jared.
I don't mean to laugh at you, but that's just something.
Laugh all you like.
The porn stars are going to get stoned at that year.
Oh, my God.
Don't be stoned.
If in the UK, one in five Muslims think that adulteresses should be stoned, that reflects a mentality that is completely different and foreign and incompatible from the rest of Britain.
Furthermore, and I can't actually quote a passage from Bukhari.
The prophet said, if a Muslim discards his religion...
Kill him.
Whoa! I thought you said you didn't know anything about this issue.
Now, I gave you...
Jared, do you want to go back to our scriptures?
Let me finish.
According to Pew Research, 84% of Egyptian Muslims support the death penalty for leaving Islam.
84%. In Jordan, it's 86%.
In Pakistan, 76%.
In Nigeria, 51%.
The idea of killing apostates that again is completely alien to the Western state of mind and for people who believe these things to come into the West Only results in all kinds of horrible things, such as the results of the Danish publication of the cartoons of Muhammad.
Perhaps you remember that occasion, 2005.
The Danish newspaper, Jyllands Postrum, published a dozen cartoons that offended Muslims.
Do you know how many deaths resulted from the anti-Danish demonstration?
All around the world, 200 people died because Muslims were so upset at something that in the West is absolutely taken for granted.
And the people who published that have been under constant assassination threat.
The cartoonist still lives under armed guard because there are Danish Muslims who want to kill him.
This is something that comes from having imported a group of people, some of whom want to stone adulteresses, others of whom want to kill somebody who does a cartoon of Muhammad.
Jared, can I answer all that?
I'm sorry, you're throwing a lot at me.
I apologize.
Let me start.
I'm going to respond to the things you said.
Jared, let me ask you a question.
Are you a Christian?
You're a Bible-believing Christian?
I don't talk about my religious beliefs.
Well, you do, because I did hear you talk about that you are a Christian on many of your tapes, but in front of me now, you're backing away.
I did hear you say you're a Christian on many of your shows.
What's up?
Why are you backing away from me?
I have never said that I'm a Christian.
I do not talk about my religious beliefs.
Your parents were missionaries, right?
And you did, I believe, what's the name of that one dude you were, you did talk, you were on a Christian radio show.
It's a one African-American gentleman.
I forgot his name.
You did talk about your religion and how you are a Christian.
But now today, you don't talk about religion.
What's up?
Well, I don't talk about you.
You misapprehend.
I do not claim to be a Christian.
I do not.
I got you on tape.
You talked about it.
Okay, but anyway, let me get to the point here.
Get to the point.
You see, the adulterers.
Being stoned to death, that is in the Bible.
This is something which both Jews and Muslims believe in.
They read the Bible.
The whole issue about death penalty for apostasy, did you know that is also in the Bible?
Eric Weinstein, he's a Jewish believer, he talked about that on the Joe Rogan show, about how this is actually something which is in our book.
The Christians believe this.
Yeah, they believe.
They believe this is the fundamentalist Christian groups and the fundamentalists, or you could say the Orthodox Jewish groups, they believe that these are God's work.
And not only that, but when it comes to...
I want to show you something here, you know?
Okay. I understand that you don't want to, at least in front of me, share your religious beliefs, and that's fine.
But I want to show you something here.
Because I'm sure...
Okay, Jared, I want to show you something here.
And you did talk about, you know, scriptures, you know, having terrorism and things like this.
Can you read this in front of me?
This is a passage from the Bible, which says, now, it talks about, go and attack Amalekites.
I want to get your opinion on this.
Do not spare them.
Put them to death, men, women, children, and infants, cattle, sheep, and camels.
I will ask you today to condemn this act of terrorism and genocide.
Will you do that for us today on the show?
Of course.
This is condemned.
The point is, the point is...
No Christian group would recommend that.
No Christian group would want to behave the way ISIS did.
ISIS is behaving as certain people.
Oh, well, that's not true.
Actually, there are Christian groups who are.
Did you know, let me correct you because you are factually incorrect there.
Did you know that the war in Syria is actually a Christian holy war?
The Russian Orthodox Church declared...
The Syrian war to be a Christian holy war.
And on that note, they have attacked Christians, have attacked U.S. troops.
Have it your way.
Let's go talk about Osama bin Laden.
Jared, can I just finish the point here?
Then we can talk about Osama.
Yeah, finish your point.
What's going on?
It's not ISIS.
It's not establishing a caliphate.
It's a Christian holy war.
I got that.
Yeah. No, no, no, no.
What is actually...
In fact, let me see if I can...
Do you want a reference for what I'm talking about?
I can show it to you real quick.
What? What?
Would you like a reference?
No, no.
I don't really need the reference, but provisionally, let's say you're right.
The Christian holy war.
It's got nothing to do with Islam.
Yeah. So, you know, when you go back to the issue of the misdeeds of the Muslims are committing, you've got...
White nationalists, these are Christian groups, okay, who are praying for an Islamic Holocaust.
Now, I'm sure you condemn that.
And my point here is, you asked, well, Christians are not committing acts of terror.
They are.
They even attacked American troops in Syria.
And I'm sure you remember that America killed 200 Syrians in a strike of Assad soldiers.
What they didn't tell you is...
Those were Christians they had killed.
So there's many, actually, terrorist attacks, which I can show you, but I think we agree both are committing terrorism.
But I just want to go back to your view real quickly, and then we can go to Osama bin Laden.
That passage which I showed you, 1 Samuel 15, verse 3, you condemn this, and you don't believe that to be God's word.
Am I correct?
Well, I don't know.
Maybe that was God's word.
God is telling you to kill innocent babies, stab babies to death?
This is God's word?
Well, that's in the Old Testament.
Those who believe it, they would assume that that's God speaking.
Yes. But you don't.
You condemn this with me.
I can pick up the Quran over here.
I can say, Allahu Akbar, this is a book of peace.
You will never find anything in this book to teach to kill innocent.
Look, I told you talking about the Quran is pointless.
I'm interested in how Muslims behave today.
They're behaving like the white nationalists.
Oh, for heaven's sake.
Look, white nationalists have done nothing like setting up a caliphate.
They've done nothing like taking sex slaves.
They murdered, what, 50 people inside New Zealand, right?
In a mosque?
Let's talk about Osama Bin Laden.
Oh, I'm sorry.
I didn't address your point about the cartoons, the death penalty for apostasy and adulterers being...
Do you want me to quickly address it, then we can talk about Bin Laden?
Well, okay.
Do explain why it's justified to kill 200 people rioting because the prophet has been depicted in a cartoon.
Do explain why that's okay.
Sure, sure.
Well, I'm going to explain to you why it's not okay.
And Islam actually stands in condemnation of this nonsense.
So if you go to...
I just want to quote to you a verse of the Quran, which kind of talks about this, because when people attack and mock Prophet Muhammad...
The Quran is not relevant to me.
Okay, I'm sorry about that.
Well, what I'm showing you here is our scriptures condemn that.
People who do that, they are...
You know, just like the white nationalists who murdered 51 people in New Zealand.
And actually, I keep talking about the white nationalists, but this thing is going on all across the country.
I'm sure you probably read in the paper, almost every weekend there's some kind of mass shooting here in America.
And you're familiar with what happened inside Las Vegas.
Oh, 60 people died in that.
So it's not just Muslims who are committing this act of violence and committing these horrible things.
This is spreading everywhere and all kinds of people are doing it.
I've never ever said that there are not white people who misbehave.
All I'm saying is that it is completely insane.
To import a group of people who behave in a certain way that is fundamentally incompatible to Western Christian civilization.
And again, let me make this comparison.
You have never heard of a Muslim attack in Hungary, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania.
These things do not happen because there are no Muslims.
And they have learned the lesson of what's happening in Paris, for example.
All of the monuments, Sacre Coeur, Eiffel Tower, they have to be patrolled.
By heavily armed people because they're afraid they could be attacked by Muslims.
Every New Year's Eve, hundreds of cars are burned.
Thousands of cars are burned all across France because of the young Islamic immigrants, Muslim immigrants in the bonnieux who celebrate New Year's Eve by burning cars.
Again, why in heaven do France have people like that on its territory?
Now, it's fine for you to condemn that.
And I know that you would never do these things.
They happen, and they happen overwhelmingly in Muslim bonnie neighborhoods.
Why should France have permitted itself to get in a situation where those people aren't even in France to begin with?
Okay, so let me address that real quickly.
Whenever you talk about attacks which are happening in Paris and places like that, your argument is mute because there are also attacks which are happening by the far-right activists as well.
You seem to have a hard time understanding that this is no longer a valid...
Let me just say something.
This is no longer a valid argument because if you go to France and if you go to Europe today, they are watching the far-right extremists just as much as they are watching the Muslim people.
Now you're asking, well, why should we import them?
One thing I want you to understand, I hope we can agree on this, that these misdeeds, which people are doing in the name of your belief and in the name of my belief, you see, I hope you will not use these misdeeds to characterize all of us.
Can we agree on that, Jared?
Of course, not all.
I've said this many times.
There are plenty of Muslims who are fine people.
My only point is...
They didn't have to be here.
And even if only a few of them are wreaking havoc, it was a mistake to let any of them in.
It's a very simple process.
And also, you keep talking about all of these wild and wicked things that white advocates, as you call them, are doing around the world.
Now, why is it that Brent and Tarrant targeted a mosque?
Because he sees Islam as incompatible to the West.
Islam is coming to the West in a way that the West is not by any means going to Islam.
You can't even have a public celebration of Christianity in Saudi Arabia.
There is no Muslim country that is accepting a large number of Christians who want to spread Christianity throughout Islam, which is exactly what you're doing in the United States.
Muslim countries would not put up with that.
Okay, so you are not defending what happened in New Zealand.
I'm not defending it.
I'm not defending it at all.
He had no good reason to do that.
I'm sorry.
Why did you even bring that up?
Because you're talking about all of these horrible things that white people have done.
And I agree, what he did is a horrible thing.
But he is reacting against something that need not have taken place.
At all.
There was no reason for there to be any Muslims in New Zealand.
And as you are practicing right now, you are trying to make the United States as Islamic as possible.
Many Muslims have that view.
Why should European Christians or American Christians or people who are not Muslim, why would they want more people like you in the country trying to change us from our way of life?
change and turn us into Muslims.
Islam submission.
You want us to submit.
Well, no
I don't want that.
Okay, let me answer your question.
Let me answer your question, okay?
First of all, there's no problem with a fundamentalist Christian, Jew, or Muslim who believes that adulterers should be stoned, who believed in the death penalty for apostasy, because that's in the Bible.
People like Eric Weinstein believe.
I don't know if he believes in the whole Bible, but he's a...
Practicing Jew, and he pointed that out.
And there's no problem with holding views which are antithesis to the way the Western life is.
There's millions of people who do it.
Jehovah Witnesses are an example.
They do not salute the flag.
They do not support this country.
They believe that the United States government is like an idolatrous type of institution.
Therefore, you should not pay homage to it.
And I think that's one of the reasons why I think Hitler committed atrocities against them.
So that's a canard.
Who cares if you think adulterers should be stoned?
Porn stars don't care, neither do I. But if once porn stars do care, then I'll start caring.
So your whole argument here has been refuted.
That's just propaganda.
Now you ask, well, I want to answer your question.
Why am I actively involved in spreading Islam?
I'm not doing it by force, first of all.
I'm doing it.
Why am I doing it?
Why am I seeking to replace?
Islam with Christianity and Western values.
And I'm going to answer you.
You're trying to supplant Christianity and wipe out Christianity 100% with Islam.
That's your goal.
Now, let me explain to you why that's a good thing, okay?
Because, number one, Christianity has failed the people.
You have seven out of ten children.
And don't bring up race.
I know you will.
But I don't see it as race, as a religious issue, where there are 7 out of 10 kids born out of wedlock.
And these kids then turn around and commit crimes and fill the prisons.
If you look at the Muslims, do we have a 7 out of 10 wedlock issue?
Like, for example, my kids go to an Islamic school.
There's going to be an Islamic high school here.
If you roam the halls of the Islamic school, are you going to see pregnant women in hijab?
We're walking around in those Islamic schools.
I tell you what, I grew up seeing that in the public schools.
What do you think, Jared?
I'm perfectly happy for Muslims to throw blankets over their women and to keep them secluded and make sure that they have no sexual relations and engage in honor killing if they do.
That's their business.
I just want them to keep Islam in their own countries rather than bringing it here.
I don't doubt for a moment that the illegitimacy rate among Practicing Muslims is lower than among ghetto black children.
I don't doubt that for a moment.
But these are different ways of organizing a society.
Islam is not just a religion.
It's a way of completely organizing society in a political way.
I don't think you would deny it.
And those of us who have a particular way of life don't particularly want it to be changed.
Now, you said we're going to talk about Osama bin Laden.
Let's talk about him.
Okay, can I just respond to your last point, and I'll let you talk about Bin Laden.
Okay. Okay, yeah, so the way we have these great numbers of low, you know, teen pregnancies, and why we don't have that 7 out of 10 number is not because we're throwing blankets on our women and forcing them in any way, or we're going to say,
I'm going to kill you if you do this.
This honor killing, once again, honor killing is a Judeo-Christian.
It is taught in the Bible, okay?
But this is, Jared, let me just finish my point.
Christians do it all the time.
Well, see, this is the thing.
You know, the question is, is it found in the Bible?
And yes, there is honor killing inside amongst Christians, and you'll find that in the Middle East also.
But let me tell you, you asked a question, why am I seeking to spread Islam here?
Seven out of ten adulterous children Born in this country, and I'm not even talking to you about, I haven't even brought up the other issues about alcoholism inside and the Eskimos and American Indians and other minorities in America.
And you claim this was a racial issue.
I don't know.
I don't care, to be very honest with you.
But the question is what we can agree.
Judeo-Christian values, at least for Eskimos and American Indian and the minorities who you condemn, or point out their fault.
It has failed them.
It has done nothing for them.
Allahu Akbar, we are coming with something which can help them.
And if you look, and I can show you the numbers, or I can show you examples of how many people have been helped with Islam in America.
So these are indisputable facts of how Islam is helping the people of this country and Judeo-Christian values has failed.
At least we can say they failed the American Indians and other people.
We don't have a political agenda.
That's also another myth which people are trying to concoct.
I wish you every success in converting the American Indians and the Eskimos and the Arapaho and the Cherokee and the Hopi and the Navajo and the Lakota Sioux.
Drowning in alcoholism.
I wish you every success in converting them.
By all means.
Now, let's talk about Osama bin Laden.
According to the Pew Research poll, in 2003, 59% of Indonesians supported Osama bin Laden.
56% of Jordanians supported him.
Furthermore, I think this is quite interesting.
On a Gallup poll that was taken right after Osama bin Laden was killed, 51% of Pakistanis were grieving for...
Only 11% thought that his death was a good thing.
Now, this is a fellow who got his airplanes together and killed 3,000 Americans.
These are Muslims who are essentially saying what he did was a fine thing.
And again...
This bespeaks a certain attitude that is incompatible with peacefully living in the West.
Again, not every single Muslim supports terrorism.
Not every single Muslim supported Osama bin Laden and his attacks on the United States.
But even if only 54% do, then there's no reason for them to come here.
Now, again, I'm perfectly happy for Muslims to organize their societies in their own religion and their own political structure entirely as they wish.
But they have no place in the West.
Okay, let me answer your...
They do have a place in the West, and I just proved it to you.
See, the problem is you don't care about the Eskimos.
You don't care about the American Indians and all the groups which you basically rattled off who are drowning and suffering in alcoholism.
And it's a horrible problem for society because it's almost like a vicious cycle because then their kids become alcoholics.
But let me just...
Jared, please, let me finish.
Let me finish, and then I'll let you talk.
If Islam will help them, by all means, convert them to Islam.
You go right on.
That's what I'm doing, thank God.
Okay, so you see, we Christians, Muslims, and Jews, we all have values which are incompatible with the West.
49, you've talked about people supporting Osama bin Laden.
49% of Republicans, they do not believe in religious freedom.
Now, this is incompatible with Western values.
Should we, you know, so as you can see, this is a case of the kettle calling the kettle black.
As you can see, I got my statistics here, and I can send them to you if you like.
So this is 49% who will engage in religious, what's it called?
Religious persecution and explicitly.
Islam. Oh, well, okay.
Now, let me get back to the statistic about terrorism, because I got from Pew Research, and I just lost my statistic here for you.
They actually, Muslims actually do better than the general public when it comes to killing innocent civilians and terrorism.
It says, comparing with the general public, Muslims are more likely...
To say targeting and killing civilians is never justifiable.
We're at 76%.
The general public is at 59%.
So we're doing pretty good there.
Now I want to talk to you about the support for Osama.
I'm sorry, go ahead.
You're talking about Americans?
This is in the United States?
Where do they do this?
Who are you talking about here?
And where's your source?
Pew Research.
I'd be interested in seeing that source.
This is Pew Research, and this is right here.
Can you read that?
You can send me a link.
Okay. I think they're talking about in America.
American people, yeah.
So the American people are generally towards Muslims.
But anyway, now let's talk about support for Osama bin Laden.
So let's do that one real quick here.
So why would people support Osama bin Laden?
Well, let's first do a bin Laden interview.
Yes. Look.
Okay, so I'm going to tell you why some people would support him.
You know, they may have perfectly good reasons, they think, to support him, but the fact is, he killed more people in a single blow than anything in Pearl Harbor.
And it is understandable that Americans not want people who supported...
Yeah, I agree with that.
Anyone who supports bin Laden, boom, get him out of here.
Now, let me tell you why people do support Osama bin Laden.
Well, first of all, you need to understand that...
Well, let me back up and ask you a quick question.
You know, when America dropped two atomic bombs in Japan, would you consider this a terrorist attack?
I think it was a war crime.
It was a war crime, okay, yeah.
But see, here's the thing.
When the home...
Homeland is threatened.
For example, let's just, I'll give you a hypothetical situation.
If China invaded California and subjugated the Californian people and raped them and did horrible things to the California people, would some Americans engage in terrorist attacks against Chinese?
Probably. Some would.
When people are up against offense and they see this as the only option, America, Britain especially, They will all resort to killing innocent civilians and engaging in terrorism.
In fact, I'll give you an example of a British terrorist.
Jared, can I just finish my point here real quick?
Sir Arthur Harris.
Sir Arthur Harris was a monster.
He indiscriminately murdered innocent civilians in Dresden and all over Germany.
He is a British Osama bin Laden, and yet he was knighted.
Sir. Sir.
Arthur Harris.
Everyone's going to support their Bin Ladins when the homeland has been threatened.
That's my point.
So you're telling me Osama Bin Laden was right.
He did the right thing.
No, no, no.
You quoted me why some people...
No, actually, we know from the Holy Quran in our scriptures, it condemns the killing of innocent civilians, so we condemn Bin Laden for that.
But you asked, why would some people support Osama Bin Laden?
And there you go.
They support Bin Laden for the same reason Americans support their acts of terror, and for the same reason the British support their acts of terror, and they're Bin Ladens.
I did not ask why.
All I said is, they supported Bin Laden.
If anybody supports Bin Laden, they should not come to the West, no doubt.
I think, well, now you're agreeing with me, you're disagreeing with me.
Well, if they believe that committing acts of terrorism here in America, and the same holds true for the white nationalists and your people, if they believe committing mass murder and attacks in this country, then they have no place here.
Well, good.
I'm glad you agree with me on that.
So, how about people who think that apostates should be killed?
Do they have any place in the United States?
Remember, 85% of Egyptians think apostates should be killed.
This is a Judeo-Christian value.
It's in the Bible.
So, like I said, there are many Jews and Christians who believe that the Bible is the Word of God when it's specifically found in the Bible.
How many Christians believe that apostate Christians should be killed?
How many?
Tell me.
As far as...
Probably. Let me explain to you.
I would say every fundamentalist, Bible-believing Christian believed that this was inspired by God.
Now, do they believe that it is...
Hold on, Jared.
I'm going to explain to you.
Do they believe that it is applicable for today's time?
No. Very few.
And that's exactly what we believe today, too.
We believe that this was something which was revealed for a specific time.
And now, is it...
Applicable for today in America to go out and kill apostates.
Look, you have so many apostates here in America.
No, absolutely not.
And now let me explain something else to you real quick.
So we have the same value as Jews and Christians.
And also, I'm going to tell you why, even if it's revealed in our scripture or in the Bible, why it's not applicable.
Because something you need to learn about Islamic Sharia law, okay?
And please pay attention to this.
I'm paying very close.
Okay, to implement any kind of punishment in the Islamic Sharia law yourself is called vigilantism.
This is not a vigilante religion.
It's like me going to a person, seeing him speed down the street, grabbing and say, give me 150 bucks.
Not speeding, speeding.
I have no right to implement the United States laws or the laws of the state.
Likewise, anybody who sits and tries to implement Sharia law But on their own free will, then this is just as insane and ridiculous.
This is not a vigilante religion.
So, no.
Even if you can believe, yeah, Islam or Judeo-Christianity teaches a passage should be killed, I've got no problem with that.
That's not a problem.
It's okay to have that belief.
But we do not implement these laws.
I hope that's clear.
So anyone can have these beliefs.
You can believe that homosexuals are cursed by God.
Many fundamentalist Christians believe that.
That they're cursed by God.
They're going to hell.
And whatever.
I don't care.
That's fine.
But to believe that you must implement it here, that's a problem.
And Allahu Akbar, thank God, we can see that the United States of America doesn't have a problem with apostates being killed.
You don't plan to kill them, but 85% of Egyptians think that it is a good idea.
And remember what happened to Salman Rushdie.
There was a fatwa issued against him, so that was official.
If al-Baghdadi had said, go out and kill those adulteresses, that's okay, because he's the head of the Ismail.
So that guy had to live in seclusion forever.
Look, it's all very well to say, it's in the scripture, but we don't care.
I'm telling you, 85% of Egyptians today say that apostates should be killed.
In any case, my time is running out.
My too, yeah.
Yeah, I'm sorry, what was that?
My time is running out.
Yeah, me too.
I think we went a little over today.
But no, I enjoyed this discussion, and I know I didn't answer everything you raised.
But, you know, one thing I do want to ask you, Jared, you know, we started off by, you know, discussing what was in the Islamic scriptures.
Can I get a promise from you that 48 hours from now, you're not going to be talking about the religion of Islam is a religion of terror, and this is what their holy book teaches.
I hope I won't see this from you again.
Well, I can't make any promises.
Because you were wrong about saying that in those videos.
I don't claim to be an expert on the holy books, and I don't believe that the sources that I've consulted are liars.
But I suspect that the Islamic holy texts, like the Bible, contain many potentially contradictory things.
But when the people who are running ISIS...
I suspect that there is some sort of logical and plausible explanation for what they do.
Now, there may be contradictory scripture as well, but I don't believe that they're inventing it out of pure nothing.
Jared, can we do this?
Listen, you mentioned that you have this trusted source of people who fed you this bologna, I mean this stuff, and you just trusted what they said.
Many of those people, by the way, do you know who Robert Spencer is by any chance?
I know who he is.
Yes, I debated him.
I would like to share my debate with you.
And you know who Dr. Bill Warren is?
Yes, I know who he is too.
I had a debate with him too.
I would like to share these debates with you.
So now you can hear from both sides.
How does that sound?
Can I email you those?
Yeah, do email them.
Yes, and I'm sure you just crushed them mercilessly.
Beatdown. Bully beatdown.
Allahu Akbar.
Okay. In fact, I tell you what, it was so bad.
Robert Spencer is such a coward, he will never debate me again.
Same thing with Bill Warren.
It was a brutal beatdown.
But anyway, I'm going to let you be the judge.
And let's begin this process of learning what the Islamic scriptures really teach.
And I think you're going to be amazed at what a wonderful, peaceful book the Quran is.
But anyways, my time's up.
I am prepared to be amazed.
I look forward to being amazed, but that does not change the activities of Muslims today.
And your white supremacist buddies who are just as rotten.
Look, what I am saying, well, there's no point in repeating myself.
White people are here to begin with.
Some of them are good, some of them are bad.
If they do bad things, I don't want any more white people, bad white people in the country.
The point is...
We don't need to import Muslims, and neither do the Europeans.
And to do so was absolute folly.
And so I bid you farewell.
Thank you, sir.
If I can figure out how to...
You can probably figure out how to stop it.
I'm going to stop the share right now, and that'll automatically let you go.
Thank you so much, Jared.
It was a very wonderful discussion.
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