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Dec. 20, 2018 - Radio Renaissance - Jared Taylor
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Dreaming of a White Christmas
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Welcome, ladies and gentlemen, to Radio Renaissance.
I'm Jared Taylor with American Renaissance, and with me, as usual, back from a week's hiatus, is Paul Kersey.
And this is a bit of an unusual broadcast, On this occasion, we're primarily going to answer listener questions.
We have been soliciting listener questions practically all year long, and the fact is we have so much to talk about with the week's events that we have these questions at the end of our program, and we just don't get around to them.
So we finally decided, well, we're just going to start.
We're going to devote a whole program to answering your questions because we think they're very interesting.
And having asked them, we should answer them.
That's the least that we can do.
Also, this will be our last podcast before Christmas.
So we will devote part of our program to Christmas wishes, Christmas memories, Christmas thoughts, And we will talk about the faith of the European continent, Christianity itself.
But to begin with some of your questions, and we'll start with an unusual one.
And this is an example of the wide variety of questions we get.
Someone wanted to know, what are our thoughts on the Japanese author Yukio Mishima?
He is a very popular guy on the dissident right.
And the writer says, I find his uniquely Japanese perspective refreshing with his writings on Japanese nationalism and alienation and the fitness of people for survival.
And so he wants to know what we think about Yukio Mishima.
Well, I, as many of you know, I lived for many years in Japan.
I've read several of Yukio Mishima's novels.
I read one of his novels in Japanese, as a matter of fact.
But he was a very prolific novelist.
He wrote 34 novels.
He wrote 50 plays.
There was a collection of 25 books of his short stories, 35 books of his essays.
He wrote a libretto for an opera, and he wrote a film script.
He was a director in movies.
He was actually starred in several movies.
And he was a kind of a male model in some cases.
He was a bodybuilder.
Very tough guy.
I've seen photographs of him.
Very, very fit.
And very much a nationalist.
And what, of course, makes him fascinating to the identitarians and American nationalists is his, not so much his literary works, but his thinking about Japan and nationalism.
He was actually considered for the Nobel Prize several years in a row, but it was in 1968 that the Nobel Committee decided to give the Literature Prize to Yasunori Kawabata, a Japanese who just was barely edged out Yukio Mishima.
But, and it was at that point that Mishima realized, okay, when a Japanese gets it, probably there's not going to be another Japanese in my lifetime.
So he gave up his hopes for getting the prize.
Now, I think some of his great titles, such as The Sound of Waves, The Temple of the Golden Pavilion, Confessions of a Mask, I think they're great.
His last work was a set of four volumes, and it was called The Sea of Fertility.
I've never read it, but I've heard it's a little bit more mystic than some of the others.
But he was a novelist.
His early novels are very much in the traditional form of character of plot of you get a great sense of the Japanese mentality.
They are very, very well delineated and gripping stories.
So you were familiar with his work when you were in Japan?
Yes, yes.
And so I was very, very much aware of him.
In 1970, when he dramatically committed suicide, I suppose you know that story.
He, well, he had started a group of his own kind of militia.
He was very much a nationalist, very much a conservative, and he started something called Tate no Kai, which literally means the community of the shield.
He wanted Japan to return to its adoration of the Emperor, a militant spirit, pride in its accomplishments, and a much greater sense of its national destiny.
And so he and a group of his members of his own private militia, and by the way, they had these snappy uniforms that he himself had designed, And they show up in their uniforms with Japanese swords at the head of what was called the Self-Defense Force.
Japan doesn't have an army.
That's against the Constitution, but its equivalent is the Defense Force.
So he goes into what is, in effect, the Pentagon of Japan, and he gets an interview with the minister who runs this organization.
And they barricade themselves in the office of the head of the ministry.
They tied him to a chair and they ordered him to call all the soldiers in the area out into the parade grounds.
And from the balcony of the defense minister's office, Mishima harangues the troops.
And he gets out there in his uniform and he's with a sword and he tells them, look, Japan has gone soft.
We live in this terrible, flabby country.
We need a country that our ancestors can be proud of.
We need to be fighters.
We need to revere the emperor.
We need to be like the folks who were prepared to commit suicide in the Pacific.
If they could, by ramming their fighters into an aircraft carrier, sink that aircraft carrier, that was the way to respect their people and their emperor.
Well, he got laughed at.
He was jeered at.
The young Japanese thought, this guy's crazy, this guy's nuts.
Well, he had probably expected this.
And so he had arranged that if he was jeered at, he was going to march back into the office of this minister and commit harakiri, official disembowelment.
And that's what he did.
He got down and he tore open his jacket and he stuck his sword into his belly and he ripped it once left to right and then he took out the sword and ripped it once bottom up.
You cut a cross into your belly.
That doesn't kill you.
I mean, it could kill you if you actually eventually bled to death, but the tradition of Harakiri is that you have what's a man who's known as your second, and he takes his Japanese sword and cuts off your head.
Whing!
Gone.
So, he did this, and then the fellow who had acted as his second, he did the same.
He committed hierarchy and he had his head cut off.
So we had this double suicide.
And it was, as you can imagine, a huge sensation.
But he's really sort of I mean, people talk about the Mishima incident in Japan, but it certainly did not change the course of Japanese history.
But there are there are groups of Japanese.
I have had contact with some of them who absolutely revere Mishima.
So you were in the United States when this happened.
What were your initial thoughts?
Well, in 1970, I did not have my current understanding of the importance of nationalism.
Now, I did have a sense of Japan's military history and a sense that they really did need to sort of toughen up a little bit.
But I might well have been one of those who had jeered at him if I had been on the parade ground at that time.
I have a rather different sense of his gesture now, what he was striving for.
He had a real sense that Japan was losing its character, was becoming weak, On the idea of Japanese nationalism, you once told me a story of one of the more moving moments of your life.
and he was prepared to slit open his stomach as a sign of his respect for
those traditions. On the idea of Japanese nationalism, you once told me a story of
one of the more moving moments of your life. I don't know if you feel
comfortable sharing it, but I believe in Japan there is a museum where there are
letters of the kamikaze pilots that they wrote home to their families, to their
Would you care to share that experience?
Yes.
Well, this is a Ghost of Christmas Past moment for our Christmas podcast.
Well, this is not exactly Christmas, but it is an almost religious experience for these people.
There is the Yasukuni Shrine is what it's called.
And that is where Japan's war dead are all memorialized.
And they have a extensive museum.
It's really the Japanese Military Museum.
And in one of the rooms, they have letters that have been preserved
from Kamikaze pilots, writing their last letter home to their parents.
And these letters are very moving.
They have a kind of rotating display and they will put some out and keep them up for a couple of months.
And then if you go back, there's a whole new selection of them.
And they're just such moving expressions of love for the parents.
And love for Japan.
And they will have advice, you know, tell little sister, don't worry about me, that when she looks up in the heavens, I will be one of those twinkling stars and I will have given my life for her and for Japan and for the emperor.
And, oh, you get people sniffling and they get worked up.
They get choked up reading these things.
They're very, very moving.
And so, yes, I have I have a deep respect for that kind of devotion to people and country and to monarch.
And that was what Yukio, Mishima Yukio, actually, he was.
Oh, that's the Japanese word or the Japanese start with the last name.
So we call him Yukio Mishima in English, but he's really Mishima Yukio to Japanese.
In any case, it was this sense of devotion to country and people that he wanted to revive.
And duty and honor and short supply in our world.
I think that's one of the reasons why that those who are interested and curious and the so-called alt-right would have reverence for this Japanese writer.
That's right.
We're accused of racism and white supremacy.
That's such baloney.
We have an enormous respect for anyone who has that kind of devotion to his people, to his ideals, to his heritage.
This is something that is profoundly moving to anyone who feels devotion to his own heritage.
So this is, I think, a very, very eye-opening and moving example of a man, a true patriot and who realized that, in his view, Japan had jumped the tracks and he was going to do his best to set Japan back on the tracks.
But if he failed, he was going to go out with the ultimate gesture of devotion.
So, I mean, those are my feelings about Yukio Mishima.
And I really can't recommend more highly The Sound of Waves in particular.
I read that and Confessions of a Mask.
The Sound of Waves is a really beautifully written book.
In fact, I think, you know, I read it in Japanese and I also sort of nosed around in the translation by Edward Seidensticker.
I think, I hate to say this, but the translation may be even better than the original.
The translation is really beautifully done.
Edward Seidensticker was one of the doyens of Japanese studies.
He taught at Harvard.
I knew him personally.
A really, a very smart, engaging guy.
There are stories I could tell about Edward Seidensticker, but I don't think I will on this occasion.
But so, yes, Yukio Mishima, really a great novelist and a great patriot.
People will still have time to pick up one of his novels on Amazon if you have an Amazon Prime account since this when this when people are listening to us with this fantastic Christmas American Renaissance podcast.
So which one would you recommend people pick up?
I really like The Sound of Waves.
Really, I think it's a beautiful, beautiful story, and it captures something so quintessentially Japanese.
It's set in this fishing community, and the Japanese are so Japanese.
It's a wonderful, wonderful story.
Now, moving on to the next question.
Why are there not more women in the movement?
And what should we do to attract them?
Well, Mr. Kersey, I think I'll knock that one into your court to begin with.
What words of wisdom do you have to answer this question with?
Wow!
Put the spotlight on!
You know, when I think about this question, I don't really look at it as, gosh, there's not that many women in the movement.
Again, I don't know what we are yet.
I still think that is one of my main criticisms of this whole idea of a movement or, you know, John Derbyshire calls it the dissident right or you've got the Richard Spencer alternative right.
I don't think we've been properly named yet and I think that in any heretical, in any contrarian movement, you aren't going to see that many women.
I mean, let's put it blunt.
Let's put it bluntly up until about what, 30, 40 years ago, 50 years ago, when women's liberation came along.
I mean, at this point, there are what more women in college.
I think I just read a story where there are actually more women now and who are getting their masters in STEM than there are males.
I mean, we live in a very strange time, Mr. Taylor.
And yet, What you and I are interested in, what American Renaissance talks about, whether it's the publication or the podcast or the great videos that you do, it seems that more males are attracted to it right now.
Well, I think that men are always society's revolutionaries.
In any dissonant group, in any group that is really setting out to change the world, You're going to find more men.
Men are the ones who actually build a new vision.
Now you could say that the feminist movement might be an exception to this.
Perhaps it is.
But anything aside from that, any political movement is going to be spearheaded by men.
And I think that it is inevitable that a dissident movement, one that goes against the grain, one that requires setting aside what other people think and forging a new path in the face of fierce opposition, it's going to be mostly men.
Correct.
And that's inevitable.
And so I do not regret the fact that there are fewer women.
Now, there are more and more women all the time.
Correct.
And I remember John Derbyshire, after having attended one of the American Renaissance conferences, he wrote a whole article on how pretty the women are in our movement.
Very attractive women.
And I think that's largely true as well.
But we have to reconcile ourselves to the fact that I believe women will come to our movement as we succeed.
It becomes safer.
It becomes more something that has got a future to it.
And under those circumstances, women will come.
It's up to us.
Also at the same time, and this is something that I think is extremely important, The men in our movement have to be good, attractive, solid men.
Women have, I think, an unerring sense for kooks and weirdos.
And they're just not going to want to be around any group of men in which there's a certain number of kooks and weirdos.
And in that respect, our movement is changing, too.
We are a movement in which if a woman is looking for an attractive man for long or short term, You're going to find a lot of them increasingly at an American Renaissance conference or a group of people who are dissidents of our kind.
So, it's a matter of time.
There will be women.
And frankly, I don't think that there is any reason specifically to make an effort to attract women.
If we attract good men, and I think that's the first step, good women will follow.
And it's not as though we're without women, too.
So I'm not worried about this problem.
It's a natural phenomenon for any real vanguard movement.
And as the vanguard movement gains speed and gains respectability, then we will gain adherence of both sexes.
I think what you just said there is exactly the way to look at it.
Good men will attract good women.
Just like that concept of bad money drives away good money.
Yes.
Guess what?
You could have the best... You could have a guy come along and say, wow, this individual can change things.
But if there's a bunch of kooks like you noticed, and then this guy says, hey, I'm going to bring my girlfriend around.
That girl's going to look around and she's going to see these kooks.
And then that relationship is going to not only end pretty quickly, but hopefully that's going to convince that gentleman, hey, maybe these aren't the right people to associate with.
That's right.
If it's going to inhibit my ability to be with the opposite sex.
You know, I've said this many times.
I've been in this movement long enough now so that I've dramatically seen its adherence change.
When I used to go to the very first meetings that I'd be invited to, they were filled with strange guys.
They looked strange.
They dressed in odd ways.
They had kooky ideas.
They had these weird pet theories about how apricot pits were going to cure all their physical ailments.
They weren't sure that the moon landing had taken place.
I think, good grief!
Is this the race we're trying to save?
But I think in those days you had to be weird just to be interested in racial questions because it was so hard to learn about them.
And I'd like to think that part of the work of American Renaissance has been to make these ideas more attractive, more accessible, and the internet has helped tremendously.
You don't have to write off to some obscure P.O.
box in Olathe, Kansas, to get dissident information.
Just a few clicks of my mouse clicks away and you've got it.
For the time being.
Well, I'm confident that... I am as well.
Yes.
And of course, the world is changing in such a dramatic way that you don't have to be an obviously autistic loony bird to realize that things are out of kilter.
So we're getting much, much better people.
Smart, attractive men, women who would be a success in anything.
So that's all part of it too.
So women listening out there, we love you and we are delighted that you are part of our movement.
We do not reproach those who are not part of it.
And we expect to see more of you as the time moves ahead.
We'll go one step further.
We'd also love to hear from you.
So if you're a female listening and you'd love to fire a question at our way again, this show is, we normally try and answer a couple of questions at the end of every podcast.
This, of course, is, as Mr. Taylor said, a special Christmas edition.
So we're giving back to you by having an entire episode with questions.
Shoot your questions to us at sbpdl1 at gmail.com.
Once again, that email address sbpdl1 at gmail.com or You can always go to the Contact Us page at www.amran.com.
And yes, ladies, we would love to hear your views on why there are not more women.
And if you disagree with us, we are happy to be corrected.
So let's move on.
This was an interesting question from an Indian, a subcontinental Indian, who says he is invested in the fate of the Western world.
And he puts the question this way.
He says, historically, English speaking countries like Britain and the United States seemed resistant to ideological cults that swept the European continent, such as extreme nationalism, fascism and communism.
This is usually explained by the strength of the Anglo-Saxon liberal tradition.
However, he says, the modern ideological cult of diversity and unlimited immigration appears to have been most enthusiastically adopted by the English-speaking nations.
Why?
Why have we fallen for this cult when we did not fall for previous cults?
Now, this is a very thought-provoking question, and I'm not sure, first of all, that the English-speaking world has not fallen for weird cults.
I mean, when you think about the United States, perhaps this is not at the level of fascism or communism.
But in the U.S., we've had our share of Swedenborgianism and Christian science and Scientology and the Hare Krishna movement.
Of course, we've had feminism and we've had all this hysteria about same-sex marriage.
And when you think about it, even to have fallen for stuff like Freudianism, Or behaviorism.
Behaviorism was this idea that we're complete blank slates, and that if you get a hold of somebody when he's young, you can turn him into absolutely anything.
We really have suffered from all kinds of craziness and lunacy.
Mass delusions.
Yes.
So it's not as though we are entirely free of that.
And, you know, this Indian, it's good for him, it sounds rather respectable, this Anglo-Saxon liberal tradition, but I'm not sure that it couldn't be as much of an ideological cult as fascism or communism or anything else.
I mean, America always had these ideas of enlightenment and fanatic religiosity.
And, you know, we, right from the start, we had this idea of egalitarianism.
The Constitution has this unfortunate phrase that Jefferson, I'm sorry, the Declaration has this unfortunate Jeffersonian phrase in it.
And we may have been fooled by the fact that so many European ethnics seem to have assimilated so reasonably.
That might have given us the illusion that anybody can become an American.
Although, as I often point out, it was all very well to say, well, look at all these wonderful Irish and Swedes and Germans becoming Americans, whereas the Indians and blacks had been here even longer, were not assimilating.
But still, I mean, that may be that we got hooked on this idea of the melting pot.
And of course, the U.S.
was especially susceptible to this kind of multi-culti shakedown and blackmail because of our history of slavery and having taken the land from the Indians.
And of course, the Brits and the French and the Spaniards, they had empires, and so they were susceptible to the same kind of shakedown.
What amazes me is that despite the fact that here in the United States we get thrown the massacre of the Indians and slavery in our faces all the time, it's even people like the Swedes who never had an empire.
Or the Swiss, they never had an empire.
They fall for the same rubbish.
There's something completely sick about the white man.
So, it's all very well for this respectful Indian to say that we should have been spared this, but I'm not sure that there's any particular reason why we shouldn't have been.
Well, look what just happened in Washington D.C.
two weeks ago.
We saw the entire Beltway come together, united in their reverence of George Herbert Walker Bush, a man who has an Interesting resume.
He was a fighter pilot in World War II.
He went on to being a congressman.
He was the head of the CIA.
Some could say that he was strong-armed into the vice presidential slot of Ronald Reagan when he ran.
They, of course, they had a bitter fight against one another.
Reagan the populist versus the eastern establishment candidate.
That was George Herbert Walker Bush.
Look at the way that, you know... Let me...
Let me backtrack here.
Mr. Taylor, what is one accomplishment that George Bush had as president that would have necessitated this fawning that we saw for this state funeral?
Well, some people would say that he presided over the collapse of communism, but I don't think that he manipulated that in any particularly good way.
He didn't.
He wasn't.
I think pretty much anybody was in that.
It was a process that had already started.
But look, there's hardly a recent president of whom you can say, look at that wonderful thing he accomplished.
So I don't think you're necessarily being fair to George Bush pair when you say, well, what did he do that's particularly great?
I think he was generally a decent guy.
And I read a very interesting book called Flyboys.
This is about the war in the Pacific that talked specifically about his career as a pilot.
He really was a hero.
You know, he was, he had, he had some kind of, it was a fighter bomber, and he had a very, very long glide path to deliver his bomb.
I think it was a P-51?
No, it was not a P-51.
That was, that was a fighter, strictly a fighter.
This was, I can't remember, it was a two, it was a two or three, it was a three seater, I think.
It was a, in any case, it was a long glide path, which made it a very easy target.
Uh, for, uh, anti-aircraft.
Well, he was hit.
He was hit and he knew he was hit.
And, but he kept on his glide path until he delivered his ordinance, which is pretty brave.
And then what he did, he had two guys that had to get out of that airplane before he would get out.
And he turned his aircraft into the wind so that the exit door was on the lee side, so that he was moving into the wind.
On the other side was the exit door to make sure those guys got out, that they didn't have to push against the wind.
All the time, his airplane is burning.
He could go down any time.
He made sure they got out.
He saw their chutes and then he jumped.
Then he ended up in the water.
He was close to Chichijima, which was a Japanese-occupied island.
The Japanese saw him.
He paddled like crazy.
He spent the night out in the water.
He was rescued by a submarine.
And as soon as he could, he's up flying again.
He was one tough heroic guy.
I believe he was only 18 when he joined.
I think he was the youngest flyer in the Pacific.
Correct.
What my point about this whole thing was, though, you look at a guy whose entire career was spent as part of this oligarchy.
And it was all about creating this post-America America.
Because again, I was born after the conquest of the country, the 1965 Immigration Act.
I've had to live in the ramifications and the consequences of that disastrous legislation.
And George W. Bush, he was, I'm sorry, George Herbert Walker Bush.
George H. W. Bush was one of the executives who presided over this relatively peaceful transition.
You could say.
You had an uprising in 1992 when, regrettably, Pat Buchanan was unable to unseat him for the nomination.
But, I mean, his son, of course, would become president.
He helped give the country away.
Correct.
Unquestionably.
But I think it's unfair to single him out.
He was just following in the tradition.
I mean, did John F. Kennedy do anything to keep from giving the country away?
Not at all.
Not at all.
It's all part of the process.
Now, I think of him as a genuinely decent guy.
He was a good vice president.
He did not try to outshine or outfox Reagan.
He was loyal.
He was a good WASP guy, made no waves.
He thought he was doing his best for his country, but he was part of that March of Lemmings, no question about it.
But anyway, should we not get back to answering questions here?
Oh, as we should.
I was just pointing out that he was He was an individual who, again, we always find a way to bring up Donald Trump in these podcasts, but I want to say that hopefully we are beginning to see that this strange cult, like what you just said, he may have been a great American during the war.
He may have been a patriotic, brave soldier, but at the same time, he was devoted to the post-war, post-World War II, Well, I'm not sure he was devoted to it.
He was not prepared to fight it.
He went along with it, as so many WASPs have.
And some people in the increasingly prominent Jewish establishment have marveled at how gracefully WASPs just handed over power.
I think Bush was one of those graceful wasps who said, OK, bye bye.
It used to be our country, but isn't anymore.
But to move on to the next question, we have a reader who'd be interested to hear our views on the increasing power and influence of China.
In the West and also in Africa.
And how this might impact racial tensions.
Well, you want to take a crack at that?
I'll take a quick crack, especially because the Chinese are successfully colonizing Africa as we speak.
They are building infrastructure, power plants, roads, new airports.
They are successfully harnessing the raw resources of that continent because they are not Burdened with guilt that the white man had that that was successfully
Tapped, which allowed us to abandon the Dark Continent.
Yeah.
No, they are very, very successful in what they're doing in China.
I agree.
It's partly because they're ruthless.
They make no bones about it.
They bring in Chinese, who clearly have a certain contempt for the Africans.
They don't hide that either, but they pay their way, and they help build infrastructure, and they get influence.
I think that the Chinese, of course, are going to be increasingly powerful, and they are going to be, certainly, the main rival.
This idea that the Russians are somehow a threat to us.
Good grief, every year, what is it, half a million fewer Russians?
Russia is just sort of hanging on.
And I don't think they're hostile to us nearly the way that the Chinese have the potential to be hostile.
In fact, you know, John Derbyshire talks about this to bring him up again.
He reads Chinese.
He reads these Chinese bulletin boards.
They haven't forgotten the Opium War, for heaven's sake.
Which is one of the reasons why the United States has the problem with fentanyl.
So, with fentanyl, the opioid.
Oh, fentanyl.
Yes, yes.
They keep pumping, yes.
Revenge for the opium war.
Got a long memory.
Yes.
Now, people are terrified of the tremendous economic and technological advance we've seen in China.
And they're wondering, gosh, how far can this go?
And my answer to that is just look at Japan.
People had the same fears about Japan in the 1970s and 1980s, when the Japanese started buying up Rockefeller Plaza and their economy was booming and they were going to come and Japan as number one was a big book that came out at that time.
Well, catching up is not that hard.
Pulling ahead is much harder.
And once the Japanese had figured out how to use our technology, they got good at doing the things that we had invented.
But what have the Japanese really done in terms of major breakthroughs?
They've gotten good at doing what we do, but how much have they invented that we had never figured out how to do?
Not that much.
And I think the Chinese are going to bump up against the same limit.
There are limits to the speed at which they are going to industrialize, the speed at which they're going to expand their economy.
There are, what, three times as many of them?
Yeah, three times as many of them as there are of us.
And if they start positive eugenics, they really will leave us behind.
It'll be hard to catch up there with America's changing demographics.
I think one of the interesting things about China Especially with, like you just said, what they're doing investing.
They are investing heavily into Hollywood right now, and that's something that the Japanese did.
In the 1980s, I remember reading that the Japanese bought Columbia Pictures.
They thought this was going to be a great investment, that it was going to be lucrative and return Fantastic Dividends down the road and they ended up selling it pretty quickly for a loss if I remember correctly So I have a feeling that the Chinese again as they began to to to you know They're they're cash rich.
They're able to buy up a lot of resources.
We see that with with Vancouver in Canada but I think right now that there's actually a There's no longer house in shortage.
They're actually selling a lot of that property and again, I We don't know what's going to happen, but as you pointed out, China is most obviously the nation in contention for this being their century.
As America's power begins to wane, as we begin to see the limits of empire, I think we start to see the Chinese On the march toward their own empire.
And of course, we see our own demographic dispossession.
A United States that's increasingly Afro-Caribbean, Vietnamese, Haitian.
For heaven's sake, we're not going to be anything like the threat that we could be if we were a coherent and a nation that had a real sense of destiny.
We're just becoming this third world mishmash.
We'll be increasingly just a laughable presence on the world stage.
And at the same time, as China becomes more successful, I believe it will be more tempting for Chinese Americans to cast their loyalty back to the mother country.
Blood's thicker than water.
It will be even more tempting than it is now to be industrial spies, or those who are U.S.
citizens with security clearances, just to give our secrets back to the mother country.
Well, one of the big contentions of the tariff battles we see right now is the whole concept of the intellectual property Piracy, that happens with what you're talking about.
This is already happening before our eyes.
This is not some distant... Well, but see, that's a different matter.
Ignoring patents is one thing.
I mean, a patent, in order to get a patent, you have to explain the technology in detail, so that someone of ordinary skill in the art, as it's called, can absolutely and reasonably easily reproduce that invention.
The idea is, you make this scientific contribution in order to receive exclusivity for a period of, I think it's 24 years now.
And as long as everybody plays by the rules, that's fine.
The Chinese, they read the patents, they say, to heck with this, we're going to do this.
Thank you for explaining.
Correct.
So that's different from industrial espionage in which we got secrets never been exposed or laid open to the public.
And so if you've got a guy working in a laboratory or the worst possible situation is these naturalized Chinese who get security clearances.
And unlike every other espionage service that's ever had a real impact on the world, they're not specially trained spies.
They're just everywhere.
And the Chinese seem to approach every Chinese as a potential spy.
So, and as I said, that's already a huge problem.
Correct.
And when the FBI says, we need to keep an eye on these Chinese.
Whoa, that's racial profiling.
You know, don't forget we did the Japanese during the Second World War.
That is going to get worse.
I think it was more likely.
Now, perhaps I'm reading in certain interpretations of my own, but it's easier, I think, for a Chinese immigrant to be a loyal American if they really think that they are moving from a third world country to a more advanced country.
But when China becomes a real rival, becomes attractive in its own right, I think it would be easier For Chinese to say, well, yeah, I'm going to move back to the one on the winning side.
Well, I guess I'd ask this question.
I guess I will ask this question.
How would the Chinese interact with a President Kamala Harris?
How would they take it?
I think that they would see that as a sign that, hey, we don't really need to worry about the United States as really a threat anymore.
Well, do they really need to worry about a country that thinks women are going to be in the special forces?
Do they really have to worry about a country in which transsexuals are going to be in command of submarines?
I think they already think of us in many respects as a joke, a joke of a country.
Is Kamala Harris really any different from Barack Obama when it comes to these things?
But anyway, they are going to be rivals.
And I've always thought that should they ever hold a whip hand, Chinese will be very unpleasant taskmasters.
Very unpleasant taskmasters.
So, let's see.
Oh, and a listener suggested that the term embracing genocide is a good term to describe the consciousness of whites today.
I think that's true.
This is something absolutely unprecedented.
As you know, I don't too much like the term genocide.
I mean, the way the UN defines it is any process that results in a population being dispossessed.
But in most people's minds, genocide is an active killing of a people.
And that's not happening yet.
The phraseology here, let's backtrack.
What this question is saying, we're not embracing genocide.
It's that whites have embraced genocide.
Exactly.
That's what we're saying.
Exactly.
It's embracing that mentality.
Yes.
And without any reservations.
No.
Okay.
That's fine.
It's our time is up.
Right.
Right.
I think that's a good phrase to use.
I agree that it does reflect something unique.
In human history, a group that seems to be perfectly reconciled with oblivion.
White racial masochism.
Yes, yes.
Ethno-masochism, as Guillaume Fay used to say.
That's the great terror right there.
Yes, it is, it is.
And then we have this question about Christianity and Christmas.
And the question is, you know, aside from questions of actual belief, in other words, this person is not asking you or me whether we are actual believing Christians.
But what do we think of Christianity?
Has it contributed to our decline because of its universalism?
What would be its role in an ethnostate?
Well, so what are your views?
I have well-considered views on this, but I'd like to hear yours.
I do as well, and I'll just put it quite simply.
It's this.
When egalitarianism is the highest moral virtue, all institutions, whether they be secular or religious, will be corrupted.
It's really that simple.
Yes, I think you're absolutely right.
There are people who point to the passages in the New Testament about how in Christ there is no Jew, no Gentile, no Roman, or whatever it is.
I can't remember that.
In other words, as far as Christ is concerned, we are all equal.
And therefore, Christianity is a religion for everyone.
Now, there are Christians who interpret that as saying, OK, maybe Christ doesn't care about man or woman or Jew or Gentile or black or white, but we humans do.
And that is not an injunction to people to ignore those things.
Maybe Christ can ignore those things, but for us, it's important.
In any case, it is unquestionably the case that during the thousand years or so in which Europe has been largely Christian, we have not been egalitarian.
And so I agree 100 percent with you that the church has been corrupted along with the universities, along with the along with just the entire zeitgeist.
And the fault has not been with the church.
The fault has been with something more powerful than the church.
This religion of egalitarianism, which has taken over.
You could also point out to those who think that the real fault, the real cause of our decline is Christianity.
I think it's worth pointing out that we have declined with the greatest rapidity as we have become decreasingly Christian.
It's those who have fallen away from Christianity, who I think are at the forefront of these things.
Europe, Scandinavia, they've gone into this massive self-flagellation without any kind of open Christianity about it.
They don't have to consult the New Testament to do these crazy things.
Not at all.
And let's not forget that the age of imperialism, whether it was the British or the Spaniards or the French, they were all fervent Christians.
They were founding the new world and creating African colonies, enslaving people in the name of Christianity.
So, and to me, the other essential thing about Christianity is that it is so tightly wound up in our culture.
Look, you can't go through a National Gallery or the Prado or the Louvre if you don't understand Christianity.
You don't understand half of what's in there.
You can't really understand Western literature.
You can't understand the music of Bach or any of the great passions, the great masses that the greatest musicians of the West have written.
You can't understand... How can you understand the architecture of a Gothic cathedral without some understanding of what that represents?
So it is so tightly wound up with our cultural identity that to spurn Christianity, I think, is a terrible mistake.
You were quoting Hilaire Belloc just now.
Yeah, and in the pre-production I was talking about that great quote that he had, the faith is Europe, Europe is the faith.
And I think that, yes, it goes back to what we were talking about at the beginning of this podcast, this concept of duty and honor.
And in a world where everything is equal, duty and honor don't matter.
Dude, they're irrelevant.
And to me, the foundation of a people has to be that belief that our ancestors mattered.
Because our ancestors existed, we exist.
And because we exist, our people have a hope for the future.
And Christianity, I have fond memories.
I know one of the things we want to talk about here in a few minutes is Christmas and our memories of Christmas.
I can't tell you when I always love whenever I travel and I go into a city I always want to find the oldest church that I can because if when you go to churches have been built in the past 10 years 10-15 years in a lot of these cities across the country suburbs and stuff there's no history they're just these sterile buildings they don't even have a steeple anymore but you walk into these old churches especially on the east coast that were built In some cases.
I see like Savannah has some churches that have been around since the late 18th century.
They've got a church that George Washington himself visited.
And there's just this feeling you get when you walk in.
It's not eerie.
It's spiritual.
It's spiritual.
It is.
It's powerful.
And it's something that you actually, I love feeling that because in our world, you don't, in our sterile, in our desensitized world where we don't get to encounter that type of spiritualism, it's rare.
And to find that and to realize that, wow, these walls have seen so much.
Well, you know, I love visiting churches, especially in Europe.
Many of them are old and beautiful, even in American cities.
Washington, D.C.
has got a number of beautiful, beautiful churches.
The architecture, the spirituality and devotion that these buildings represent is a beautiful thing.
And we should not scorn it.
I think one can.
I know people who are Odinists, who believe in the religion of our Norse ancestors, but I think the best of them are still capable of respecting and admiring the Christian tradition, too.
It's a big mistake to say that that they want to.
You cannot reject that.
Rejecting that is, as you say, rejecting our ancestors, rejecting our culture, rejecting our traditions.
And I'll tell you a story about about Christmas.
I grew up in Japan and we celebrated Christmas, but we were it was a Christmas bubble because Japan is not a Christian country.
Even 50 years ago, when I was growing up there, the Japanese had begun to cotton to the idea that Christmas is a good selling season.
So even then, they were beginning to commercialize Christmas with the idea that, you know, gift giving, that's great for people who sell stuff.
Japan was not a Christian country and celebrations of this were in a missionary bubble or the community of those very small community of Japanese Christians.
But that was my that was my experience of Christianity.
I remember the first Christmas I spent in the United States was in the summer, in the fall of 1968, in the winter of 1968.
in the winter of 1968.
And I was in Cambridge, Massachusetts, and I was absolutely charmed
at the way everyone was saying Merry Christmas to each other.
It, uh, it caught me.
Complete strangers.
You'd push somebody's car out of a snowbank and people would come out and shake your hand and wish you a Merry Christmas.
And here I am surrounded by Yankees and I'm falling in love with these people.
I felt this great sense of commonality.
of something we shared spiritually, culturally, as a people.
It was a wonderful feeling that I've never had in Christmas in Japan.
This is something that united us.
And this is 50 years ago.
Nobody was worried that some passing Hindu might be offended if we said Merry Christmas.
This was something that was as a people we celebrated.
It was I was thrilled by it.
And it's something I have never forgotten, this sense of connectedness to Americans, my fellow Americans.
And this is, of course, something that is glimmering away with this bloody happy holidays routine.
So that was 1968.
It's now 2018.
So 50 years later.
50 years later.
So that was 1968, it's now 2018.
Yes.
So 50 years later.
50 years later.
Have you felt that even this century?
I'll tell you another, a rather dispiriting experience.
I was buying a Christmas tree just down the road from where we are, from where my house is.
And it was in a church, a church parking lot selling Christmas trees.
And I buy this Christmas tree and I'm paying for it.
And the fellow who sells it to me, he wishes me happy holidays.
I said, wait a minute, wait a minute.
Don't you mean Merry Christmas?
I just bought a Christmas tree.
I bought it in a church, and you're wishing me happy holidays?
I just felt like I had smoke coming out of my ears.
How could a guy selling Christmas trees in a church Wish me happy holidays.
No, I get almost the opposite sense, the sense of almost deliberate repudiation of what should be this uniting sense of spirituality, devotion and happiness and celebration.
No, I haven't had that sense.
Well, it's some of my favorite books to look at are The picture books, I think the publishers, Arcadia, they publish the histories of major American cities in like the 1920s.
And they'll show pictures of Christmas tree lighting celebrations in say 1920 Baltimore or 1930 Boston or 1928 Chicago.
And you look at these pictures and they're just a sea of white faces.
Yes.
All beautifully groomed and well-dressed.
And they're all, like you said, united in commonality to celebrate Christmas.
They come out for this big civic engagement to celebrate the birth of Jesus Christ.
And it's just, you know, you might have some Christmas tree lightings now.
I know that they have the, you know, in D.C., Donald Trump made a big deal about, hey, we're bringing Merry Christmas back.
But I mean, it just feels so forced.
It's just, it has to well up from the people in a spontaneous way in order to be that sentiment that so thrilled me 50 years ago.
And it's just not there anymore.
People are timid.
People are afraid.
And I don't know how that could be.
It could be recovered in a self-consciously white ethnostate, assuming that the pagans don't take over.
But and I think it could and it could be continued as a tradition.
But in the United States today, It can no longer have that sense of unity that it had for me 50 years ago.
I grew up in a sort of a white ethnostate city, and one Christmas Eve we were at a friend's house, my family, two other families, and the host family, and all the kids, we were, you know, I was in middle school at the time, we were all sitting around
talking and we just spontaneously decided to go sing Christmas carols to the neighbors. And we would
walk from door to door and we would sing just a Christmas song. And we were, we're not, I'm not
talking about Jingle Bells or Walking in a Wonder Wonderland. We would sing, you know,
Silent Night and Hark the Herald Angels sing.
We were actually singing songs that were religious in tone as opposed to secular, fun, jovial songs.
And that's one of my favorite memories was we were just I want to say it was 1995 or 1996, and it was just it was a spontaneous Christmas Eve decision.
As we were with our families, we decided, hey, let's go bring joy to someone else's life by going to neighbor's houses.
Well, that is what you can do in a united society, a society of shared values.
And that's what we no longer have.
And it was this sense of sharing.
As I say, I was conscious of being surrounded by Yankees, but golly, I sure felt like one of them.
So, well, I suppose we should take this opportunity to wish our listeners a very Merry Christmas.
And we will probably have a podcast before the new year is upon us.
But in case we don't, I think we will manage it.
But in case we don't, a wonderful new year as well.
But while we are in this Christmas spirit.
You were talking about the possibility of recommending Christmas presents for those who have yet to buy a Christmas present, for someone who is tilting our way but is not quite our way, or someone who you would wish to tilt our way.
And we were talking about books that you might give to family members or friends.
And if you're a member of Amazon Prime, you could order them and probably get them in time to give as Christmas gifts.
But what would be some of your recommendations for Under the Tree Truth Bombs?
Yeah, one of the books that I would recommend is a book by a gentleman by the name of Roger Crowley.
It's called 1453 and it's about the conquest of Constantinople.
As we're talking about our Christian heritage There's a great line in Camp of the Saints where Jean-Respons talks about how for Europeans, the memory is still fresh of Constantinople.
And it always stuck with me.
I was like, what's he talking about?
And I remember I was able to... I read this book probably three years ago, 1453, The Holy War for Constantinople and the Clash of Islam in the West.
I couldn't put this book down.
You feel like you're within the city trying to defend Constantinople.
From the Turks.
From the Muslims.
And it's that powerful of a story.
And you learn about the traitor Orban who sided with the Turks and he built the massive cannons that were then firing and were able to breach the walls.
There's just so much to learn, regrettably, about the disunity of the West and how the Western side of the empire, Constantinople, they were You know, they couldn't get along with the Pope in Rome, and they wouldn't send reinforcements, and yet when Constantinople fell, that sent ripples throughout all of Western Europe.
It's just such a fascinating time period, and I think that what you were saying, when you want to give something that connects us to the past, to our ancestors, and all that's happening right now, especially in Europe, with a lot of positive stuff happening there, it's important to remember that this battle has been going on for far longer than any of us have been alive.
Oh yes, and it is the disunity, as you say, the Western Church, the Eastern Church, the disunity is what made it possible for Constantinople to fall.
And we see disunity, of course, in the West today.
We have so many alleged leaders who are acting as traitors, even as was the case in Constantinople.
People who are rooting for the other side.
So yes, that's not a book that I'm familiar with, but I'm certainly impressed by your description of it.
And I'm sure that it would be a great Christmas gift.
I guess I'm less imaginative than you and more in the racial orientation.
But I think a book that is hard to do better as a kind of an introduction to our way of looking at the world is the abridged version of Race, Evolution and Behavior by a Philippe Rushton.
It's available for just $3.59.
It's a slim little paperback.
It's not intimidating at all.
People can pick it up and read through it.
It's not encumbered with footnotes and all kinds of studies and references.
And if anybody is interested in those things, there is the unabridged version.
But it is a great introduction to the biology and psychology and the implications of race.
And another one that I recommend, and this is one that we publish Ourselves, and you can get on the Amaranth page, is Race and Reason by the great Yankee race realist, Carlton Putnam.
It was written in the 1960s, I believe, in the 1960s, but his insights, his historical illusions
are still just as fresh and as incisive and engaging as they ever were.
I think it's a real classic.
Again, it is a very simple book.
It's very easily accessible and it makes the essential points in a very convincing and I think wonderful way.
I love that book, and it was actually published in 1961, and it holds up incredibly well today.
So, those are our recommendations, and again, we wish you a very, very Merry Christmas, and maybe even, dare I wish you, a White Christmas.
So, for Jared Taylor, this has been Paul Kersey.
Our podcast time is up.
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