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Nov. 24, 2017 - Radio Renaissance - Jared Taylor
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“Black Identity Extremists:” Not a Threat After All
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Welcome, ladies and gentlemen, to another edition of Radio Renaissance.
This is Jared Taylor with American Renaissance, and we have the indispensable and inimitable Paul Kersey in the studio.
Thanks once again for coming in.
And the first thing I will do is hope that you and all of our listeners had a wonderful Thanksgiving yesterday.
Had a wonderful Thanksgiving.
I hope that, like you said, all the listeners out there had time to spend with family and friends.
Thanksgiving is such a wonderful holiday because you get the opportunity, Mr.
Taylor, To think about the past, the present, and also look into the future a little bit.
And it's just a beautiful holiday.
Yes, it is. And I guess I was naive to think that this was more or less an impregnable holiday.
But just like Christmas, it is coming under attack.
And apparently, one of the reasons for which it's coming under attack is that this is supposed to be a time when you get together with your family, but chances are you've got some nasty people in your family and you may have to sit through racist, sexist, homophobic, anti-immigrant talk from your ignorant uncles and cousins.
And apparently there have been guides, guidelines put together by these lefty websites explaining how to handle this.
I'm almost at a loss for words because you'd think people could put aside whatever petty differences they might have philosophically, ideologically, and come together to enjoy a delicious turkey dinner complete with their grandmother's famous, you know...
Sweet potato or green bean casserole that you look forward to every year, but apparently our leftist friends, they want to use every holiday now as an excuse to attack any family member who needs to become a pariah in their eyes.
It seems that these champions of diversity, so-called, simply cannot breathe the same air as someone with whom they disagree.
This is so offensive to them.
And of course, it is always the left that is saying, look at these miserable people.
You actually have to be in the same room with this horrible person?
We are never, for us, if we said, gosh, I've just got to go hang around with my liberal relatives.
We take it for granted that plenty of people are liberal.
It doesn't mean you don't love your family because they don't agree with us on things like this.
They are so, and this is the accurate usage of the word, bigoted.
Absolutely bigoted.
They are closed-minded.
Not only bigoted, I think the word ignorant also flies perfectly into this conversation.
When you consider that Slate had an article that said, if you're a female and you go and help your family cook, You are partaking in a 1950s-style pre-feminist action.
How dare you do something like this?
That you help prepare this Thanksgiving meal.
Again, I can't think of it...
Ten years ago, this would have been like, what are they trying to say here?
What's going on here? But in this period of accelerationism on behalf of an egalitarian world order that the Western elite and, of course, the Leftist websites out there like your BuzzFeed, your Slate, your Huffington Post, what they're trying to deconstruct all of our holidays, how quickly they're doing it.
I mean, Mr. Taylor in New York Times editorial yesterday, they're beginning to retcon Thanksgiving now, trying to talk about how it's really an immigrant holiday where we celebrate family.
And who has better families than immigrants who come here and they work so hard And they bring their families over and then they bring their new traditions to help supersede our poor white bread traditions.
At least that's trying to put some kind of positive spin on Thanksgiving.
There are others who seem to be thinking that this is one that we should just downgrade and try to get rid of.
Colin Kaepernick, one of your favorite football players, yesterday he was celebrating un-Thanksgiving Day with American Indians on Alcatraz.
And of course, that is the other way of looking at it.
Not only is it a time when families have to get together and put up with these horrible racists and sexists who might be living in the same family with them, but we celebrate the dispossession and the genocide of the Indians.
That's what it's all about.
So it's like Columbus Day.
It's like Christmas.
Christmas has to be defanged, make it into a commercial holiday rather than a religious holiday.
Every single one. Maybe July 4th is next.
For years, for years, I have thought that if there is a day that the United States celebrates with genuine fervor, authentic fervor, it's Super Bowl Sunday.
That or Black Friday, from a consumer standpoint.
I was just actually out, and I was kind of shocked at the lines.
It's almost 11 o'clock and people are still fighting over consumer goodies.
But see, Super Bowl Sunday, that is a day that everybody celebrates with genuine, authentic enthusiasm.
As you know, I think the Super Bowl is the most colossally unimportant event probably in the annual history of America.
But anyway, the traditional things like Christmas, Fourth of July, we'll see what they do about Fourth of July.
I suppose that will fall into irrelevance because it's just white people killing each other anyway.
Who cares? Well, I think we already know it has fallen into relevance by what's going on with the national anthem debate.
And like you just said, Colin Kaepermick, he was, Mr.
Taylor, just named GQ's person, citizen of the year, which shows you where the elite's thinking.
I would like to bring, to really point out something that encapsulates this idea of, you said defanging Thanksgiving, I would say to try and make it a An illegitimate form of holiday expression.
And that is that YouTube, our friends at YouTube, which have done so much to try and not just demonetize videos that American Renaissance puts up, but to get rid of them entirely, to censor your videos.
They actually put out a video that they tweeted from their primary account.
They have a blue check mark, by the way.
They tweeted out a video where indigenous females Talked about Thanksgiving and what it actually means.
Once again, to try and say, you know, this is what Thanksgiving actually is, people.
How dare you celebrate this day, the traditions?
Because again, think about what you learn about Thanksgiving in school.
Me being a millennial, we're always taught that the pilgrims came over, the Indians helped out, they got together, they sat down for a meal, the Indians brought corn, maize, the pilgrims could barely, they had barely any food to survive that winter, they came together.
And they pass bread.
Well, hold on. It was a thanksgiving for the bountiful harvest.
The pilgrims actually had a harvest.
And this was to give thanks to God that they had taken in a wonderful harvest and it looks like things are going well.
And of course these things get gradually modified as time goes by.
Correct. And now I guess this is sort of a Squanto tale, you know, Squanto telling the pilgrims how to grow corn.
Correct. But you know the way I learned it was, it was the pilgrims who had this bountiful harvest and they generously invited the Indians.
I was taught sort of the opposite.
Yes, I do remember learning about that episode in history.
We were taught that this was an opportunity where the Indians who had taught the pale faces how to do some forms of farming and And to survive and to subsist on the land.
They came together as two distinct people, two distinct racial tribes, and they celebrated and gave thanks.
Well anyway, so yes, Google is now giving voice to the dispossessed Indians.
It's all part of an attempt to delegitimize the white presence of the United States.
People like you and me, Mr.
Kersey, we are the enemy, we are the invader, and we are the villains of American and world history, of course.
But, you know, it's all part of this attempt to really not only erase white history, but shut up people who don't view the world, they view it.
And just the other day, it was interesting to me that Eric Schmidt, who is executive chairman of Google's parent company, Alphabet, He reported, quite straightforwardly, that the search algorithms for news stories are going to start low-ranking the Russian services, RT, that's Russian Television, and Sputnik Radio.
Their algorithms are going to be tuned so that they just go to the bottom of the heap.
And I thought it quite astonishing that the way he defended it, he said, we started with the default American view that bad speech would be replaced with good speech.
But the problem found in the last year is that this may not be true in certain situations.
And so, if the American public can't tell good speech from bad speech, can't tell all American star-spangled speech from Russian speech, then Google is going to have to take them in hand and explain to them what's good and what's bad speech.
This is really quite astonishing.
It's not the logical consequence of that kind of thinking.
We might as well pass laws to make it impossible to pervade bad speech.
Isn't that the logical end point?
We were headed that way, Mr.
Mr. Taylor, when you go back and you think about what Hillary was doing in terms of branding
us irredeemable and deplorables, there's a big debate going on right now on the so-called
alt-right and the racialist right on the internet.
Would things have been better off had Donald Trump not been victorious?
I'm completely opposite that of you.
I think, no, Hillary would have quickly silenced us to a point where American Renaissance would
not be on the web.
There would be no radio renaissance.
There'd be no Jared Taylor videos on YouTube.
It would have quickly and efficiently been knocked off.
Remember, Eric Schmidt, who is part of this technocratic elite in Silicon Valley, he was a huge advisor to Barack Obama.
You know, Google was...
We forget this.
When he ran for president Silicon Valley jumped all over him in 2000 2008 got behind him because Barack Obama
Successfully utilized social media to an extent that no other candidate for any office
not just the president but any office had tried to do to mobilize this insurgency and
Schmidt advised Obama in 2012 also the Clinton campaign he worked with I believe he actually
Peace.
Bye.
I want to say that he stepped down for a little bit just so we could advise the Hillary Clinton campaign.
He was filmed at one of the centers wearing a badge that said staff in one of the Hillary headquarters.
That's right. I think he had an official position with the Hillary campaign.
Hillary calls him a longtime friend.
And so here you have an obvious partisan who is going to tell us what is good news and what is bad news, what is legitimate and what is illegitimate.
These are spooky times.
Truth, justice, and the American way was what Superman long, long valued.
In our world, I believe Mr.
Taylor, it's truth, justice, and the Google way is what is going to effectively govern the future.
Because again, if you can't, if your website is not going to show And say the first two pages.
I've read some studies recently that most people abandon search on Google once they've gone through two pages.
That's it. That's it.
No one's going to the third, fourth page at all.
I don't care. It's what shows up on the first two pages in those first, I don't know, 20, 25 hits that show up.
And if you're not effectively in that real estate, that digital real estate, for most, you know, you basically own the equivalent of Baltic Avenue in Monopoly.
You know, it's... That's right.
Well, I think you have got two extra and excessive terms in your slogan there.
It's not truth, goodness, and the Google way.
It's just the Google way.
Truth and justice? No.
There's no truth, no justice.
It's the Google way. They think, of course, that that's truth and justice.
But, of course, Google is simply acting just like Twitter and all the rest of them.
We need to go into an exhaustive catalog of all of these Silicon Valley people who think they know better and who think they can shut us up for the good of America in the name of goodness, truth, and beauty.
But Twitter, you know, you're talking about the blue verification tick.
I used to have one, you know.
And my understanding was it was nothing but a way to keep people of some sort of public persona identified.
So if someone pretends to be Donald Trump, that they give the tick mark and say, you know, this is in fact Donald Trump.
But that's all it was. That's simply, it's not an endorsement of their political views.
It's not an endorsement of what they're advocating.
You're exactly right. The blue check mark was a very important, legitimate manner in which to...
Block anyone trying to pretend to be a parody account or someone saying something that might have effectively put a publicly traded brand like Apple or IBM or something.
If someone was trying to be that voice, that could actually harm their Stock price.
If you put out any misleading statements.
Or if someone is pretending to be the governor of Alabama and puts out all sorts of crazy wild things and people believe it.
That's just not good. It is a public service to say, you know, this is the real thing.
That's not the real thing. But now, of course, they have announced that December the 18th, that's going to be their day of the long knives.
I suppose the day of the clean sweep.
And all hate, all hate is going to suddenly disappear from Twitter.
And hate, apparently, is not simply tweeting.
Hate is who you are, even if you are not on Twitter.
They are going to apparently snoop.
I don't know how many of their accounts are going to snoop, but they're going to find out.
Even if all you ever tweet about is pussy cats and baby girls, if you are a hater in their book, or if you support haters, then you're going to get kicked off Twitter too.
I've read that...
December 18th is the date of Joseph Stalin's birthday.
And some people have pointed out, you know, that's odd that Jack, the CEO of Twitter, that they would choose this date.
You're right, Mr. Taylor. They've decided that it's not just what you do on Twitter, but it's who you interact with in your actual life.
So they're going to go and, I don't know, are they going to be using some sort of application to look at what you're doing on Facebook?
Or if you are writing...
Or interacting with certain sites.
Again, it's going to be very arbitrary and subjective in what they're going to do in terms of this extirpating of people who have views that, once again, just like with Thanksgiving, we've got to find a way to sanitize Thanksgiving for post-white America.
Now we've got to a place, Mr.
Taylor where Twitter realizes that they could have stopped Donald Trump.
I really believe this.
I really believe that social media, that a number of the top CEOs have had some meetings
where they've gotten together and they've said, we could have put a kibosh on Trump
and we could have had Hillary win if he had not been able to get around and circumvent
the mainstream media.
Because it goes back to that time period.
I know you're saying, think back to when Hillary faded on September 11th, 2016.
No major news site was going to broadcast that.
It was just because some citizen journalists happened to catch it.
And in Donna Brazile's book, she actually was upset.
She actually points out that's the day she realized Hillary was going to lose.
And they thought about trying to replace her.
Because how could you go on and get this message out to people because of someone using Twitter and social media to get this video out there?
How could you say that she was healthy when it's obvious that something serious had transpired?
I believe that social media wants to try and...
Okay. I believe that Twitter, I believe that Facebook, I believe that these sites are looking at the midterms realizing they have an opportunity To take back the House, maybe the Senate, and go after and impeach Trump.
I know this is silly to say, but it's not just about silencing racists.
It really isn't. It's about silencing the right.
Oh, I think that's all part of their project, very much so.
On the other hand, if they overplay their hand, and they take a major popular candidate and say, okay, this is hate speech, and Donald Trump would be an extraordinary example, but if they were to say, well, we're going to lift this guy's account.
He's not abiding by our rules.
That would provoke an enormous backlash.
I think so too. These guys, they have enormous power, but it is not utterly and entirely unlimited.
We'll see how they play.
It's one thing to shut me up.
It's one thing to shut up Baked Alaska.
It's one thing to shut up. Box Day.
Yes, all these people. But if you really start shutting up somebody like Donald Trump, of course, there are few people like Donald Trump who they would be inclined to shut up.
That's the great tragedy of it.
The Economist put out a chart that shows Donald Trump's power on Twitter.
He has 41 million followers on Twitter.
And they compared that to other individuals, whether they be sports stars or news outlets, and they were just shocked at the growth.
Because it has been largely...
And he does have a power with the Twitter.
I mean, think about all he's done in the past couple weeks to do this hilarious war with something that Henry Wolfe and I talked about last week, LeVar Ball and the three black basketball players he helped get at UCLA. What he's done with the NFL he continues to do.
He's got such a voice, and you're right.
You were to silence him.
This would, I believe, unite the right in ways that other attempts have so...
Sadly failed to do.
Well, that's a different story for a different time.
Well, what astonishes me, though, is that apparently in good faith, the terms in which they describe this policy, this policy of clamping down that's going to come in effect on December 18th, The way they describe it, in the very first sentence in their text describing the new policy is, and I quote, We believe that everyone should have the power to create and share ideas and information instantly without barriers.
What? Did I read that right?
They clearly don't believe we have that right.
Well, that's a great policy.
If that policy was actually in effect...
Just stop right there. No need to qualify it.
No. And then they go on to say, we believe in freedom of expression and open dialogue, but that means little as an underlying philosophy if voices are silenced because people are afraid to speak up.
Well, isn't that precisely what they're trying to do?
Make us We've got to tiptoe around, walk on eggshells, censor ourselves for fear that we're going to be shut up.
I mean, do they say this sort of thing with a straight face?
It's astonishing. Well, I mean, I saw this story on Twitter today, Mr.
Taylor, out of England, where this individual who had owned a child daycare center for 20 years tweeted out that they were upset that they missed a book signing with Tommy Robinson.
Some member of the Antifa over...
They're contacted and said, how dare you allow children to be able to stay with this guy who's a fan of this Islamophobic.
The guy had to shut down his business that he had for 20 years.
This is being reported by the Gatestone Institute.
I mean, the terrifying reality is that what we see in England is coming here due to the demographic displacement of whites and the ability for the left to utilize people of color's votes to enact this.
Crazy, crazy egalitarian, anti-white platform.
What we're seeing with Twitter, though, is that anyone who goes against this is going to be deplatformed, even though they say that they've got this wonderful open source product, when in reality, we know that's not the case.
Well, apparently, they now have a system of algorithms such that if you have a blue check mark, you receive some sort of special treatment.
Your tweets go further.
They're louder if you have the blue check mark.
But they are not going to give blue check marks to people of whom they disapprove.
And the New York Times just the day before yesterday, they ran an op-ed piece in which they said, it's time for Twitter to scrap one of its founding principles, the idea that it is an anything-goes-paradise.
Where anyone who signs up for a voice on its platform is immediately and automatically given equal footing with everyone else.
Gotta stop that. I thought these lefties believed in democracy.
I thought they believed in giving the people a voice.
I guess they don't, do they?
No. What we're seeing with Silicon Valley and these leftist-dominated board of directors for organizations like Twitter, For Facebook, for Google, or Alphabet, I'm sorry, it's a parent company, for Uber, for all these corporations, for Yahoo, what we're realizing is that it is a leftist oligarchy that understands that this technology, if it is allowed to be accessed by people like us, when people have a free market where they don't get the opportunity to really interact with our ideas,
people like them. People understand that This isn't scary.
This isn't, hey, let's go back to Thanksgiving and attack our uncle for having views that are an anthem on our society.
There's something to those ideas.
Not just that, where do those ideas come from?
It's not just the interactions from people today or 20, 30, 40, 50 years ago, but what did our founding fathers actually think?
Well, no, it's clear.
They are trying to shut us up because we are persuasive.
We are convincing. What we say What we say, unfiltered by their media gatekeepers, a lot of people think to themselves, well, wait a minute.
That makes good sense.
I see that. I think that.
This is great. And that is why we have to be silenced.
But to me, the scary part here really is, whatever their motives, whether it's the next midterm elections, whether it's the idea that the whites must just be delegitimatized at every opportunity so that they can happily face oblivion, whatever it is they're thinking, All of these actions, which are encouraged by big media, by universities, probably by churches, all of this is going to slip into the kind of thinking whereby, okay, if it's legitimate for all these private companies to be telling us what's good and what's bad and what we can and can't think,
then ultimately the courts should be able to tell us.
I think this is going to lead to what would have been a much more accelerated attack on the First Amendment had Hillary Clinton been elected.
If Hillary had been elected, I think she should have appointed plenty of judges who would find very creative ways to interpret the First Amendment so as to protect the tender feelings of all these protected classes.
What you just said there is a stake in the heart of the idea that things would have been better if Hillary won.
Donald Trump is getting a lot of heat right now because he's appointing a lot of good judges to all across the country.
And the other day I saw where I think Joe Scarborough of MSNBC attacked him.
Because he's largely appointing white males.
How dare Donald Trump do this?
How dare he not appoint more women and people of color?
As if this is the official conservative position now.
Because he has been branded as sort of the safe conservative voice.
And he's attacking Trump.
Trump is appointing actually legitimate people to the federal benches.
And these are important positions that, again, Had Hillary won, think about who she would have been appointed.
Gosh, yes. We would be heading downhill at a great clip if Hillary had won.
But this fact of Donald Trump being in office, it has all sorts of strange effects.
One of them is, of course, the reaction to this report by the FBI on what are called black identity extremists, or BIEs.
Before we get into the actual report itself, I just find it fascinating that an AP article observed that a similar report One that talked about the dangers of certain hopped up blacks.
That was released in March of 2016 when we had a black president and when we had a black attorney general, Loretta Lynch.
And nobody made a big deal about that.
But now that Donald Trump is in office, When you have a very sober and, I thought, really quite thought-provoking assessment of the dangers to police of all of these overexcited blacks who think that killing off the pig is now, once again, a great stroke of liberation for blacks who are being oppressed by racist white policemen, this is causing outrage.
Whereas if something similar had been put out by Barack Obama, then it's okay.
Well, and that's so important that you said that. The FBI noted, and that's the key phrase in this AP article,
the FBI did put out a report, a bulletin, warning people of what black separatist extremists in March of 2016
And if memory serves correct, that was before the Dallas assassination of five white cops.
That was in July of 2016.
That was before the black guy went to Baton Rouge and shot a number of cops killing them.
I mean, we know that there were a lot of cops killed.
There have been a number of reports put out by the DOJ about what's going on out there,
about what the cops are dealing with.
And it is almost entirely, I mean, Mr. Taylor, yesterday, and I mean, my gosh, a white Texas
State Trooper was shot, a father of three.
He'll never be able to have another Thanksgiving with his family again because he was killed
Nope, nope. That apparently was at a routine traffic stop.
We don't know yet what this guy's motives were, but I suspect that had there not been all of this Black Lives Matter stuff, all of this hooping and hollering about the racist police, it is possible to imagine a different outcome from that encounter.
But I think what is really quite significant here, let me read a selection from the FBI report.
They wrote, this is the most recent one, BIEs, black identity extremists, have historically justified and perpetuated violence against law enforcement, which they perceive as representative of the institutionalized oppression of African Americans.
Let me go on to say, however, BIEs had not targeted law enforcement with premeditated violence for the nearly two decades leading up to the lethal incidents observed beginning in 2014.
Now, what do you think they mean by what happened in 2014?
Well, of course, what happened on Canfield Drive in...
Ferguson, Missouri.
That's right. You know, it's funny, Mr.
Taylor, what happened at that day, I believe it was August 9th when Darren Wilson and Michael Brown fought over the gun.
This actually just happened in Baltimore.
I'm not sure if you know what just happened.
A black detective was shot with his own gun and it turns out that he was going to try and talk to a suspect.
They had an altercation over the firearm.
And guess what happened? The black detective was shot and killed.
This is a national story.
You know, the police came in and they basically, to the horror of Baltimore Sun reporters, they've turned that area where this happened into a war, into a martial law, basically, to try and find out the culprit, the suspect, because obviously in Baltimore, no one's going to snitch.
But going back to 2014, as we know from the DOJ report that Eric Holder's own DOJ put out, there was a struggle for the firearm.
Michael Brown tried to steal Darren Wilson's gun.
No question about it.
There's absolutely no doubt about that.
But the point is, the FBI has, I think, very, very sensibly observed that...
Well, they go on to profile, I think it's six...
Killings of this kind by blacks that are clearly motivated by this anti-cop, anti-off-the-pig, anti-racism mentality that has been promoted by Black Lives Matter and by all of this outpouring of irrationality ever since Ferguson.
It is an extremely, I think, intelligent and well-founded report.
This is a danger to police.
And that's all it says. We need to keep an eye on this.
And also, they point out, and this is something that I'd forgotten about, They talked about something called the Black Liberation Army.
They said the last time we have seen this was from 1970 to 1984, something called the Black Liberation Army.
They were involved in at least 38 criminal incidents, including 28 armed assaults, three assassinations, four bombings, four hijackings, and hostage takings.
Now this was armed assault on the police.
This is sort of the thing that some of the Black Panthers were promoting, but the point that the FBI is making is we have seen this in the past and it is coming back.
We should be aware of this.
A very sober and I think reasonable assessment.
Farrakhan's Nation of Islam has been promoting this justice or else idea and there have been a number of police shootings where It's a little sketchy as to was the individual a member or were they motivated by the Nation of Islam, Louis Farrakhan's organization.
And as you noted in some notes that you wanted to bring up, the report does fail to mention, though, the role of media misinformation, disinformation that has helped perpetuate this idea of racist cops preying upon black bodies.
I would go one step further and I would even point out The role that the academy has played, that colleges...
I mean, just before we started this podcast, I was trying to extol the importance of reading Michelle Alexander's The New Jim Crow.
This is a book that, I'm telling you guys, it is the Bible of the Left.
This book, Netflix actually commissioned a movie to be made by the...
I can't think of the director's name.
She is the first female to direct a movie over $100 million.
It's going to be a Disney film.
She directed I want to say Selma and a couple of these other black centric films.
She actually came out with a movie on Netflix that Netflix funded about the This is one of the largest corporations out there now doing digital, doing media and doing entertainment.
And this is what they're putting out based on Michelle Alexander's book, The New Jim Crow.
Well, the fact that the mass media believe this stuff, promote this stuff, I do wish the FBI had had the spine to say the media are very much responsible for this, for promoting this hands up, don't shoot nonsense, as if Michael Brown was just shot down like a dog, as they suggested, utterly unprovoked by this racist white cop.
The media have promoted this.
The media really do have blood on their hands in this.
And as I observed many years ago, the way things work in the United States is editors slant the news and then they believe what they read in the paper.
There's this vicious cycle of crazy stuff going into the news and then everybody believing it.
But that, of course, is why Google and Twitter and Facebook and all the rest of us want to shut us up.
Because they no longer have the monopolies they used to have, and they badly, badly want it back.
Let me ask you a question. This predates my time, but I'm sure you've done a lot of reading.
You've lived through this. The AP article that I read, they pointed out that this was a return to a Hoover-style, J. Edgar Hoover-style...
Cointel. Yeah, exactly.
Going after... Going after and doing surveillance and trying to entrap black identity groups.
Is a lot of that overblown?
Hoover was just trying to get dirt on everyone, correct?
Yes, COINTELPRO was not just on black groups.
They were looking at the weathermen.
They were trying to infilt every group that they thought was a threat.
But the only time that COINTELPRO is described as this massive violation of civil rights, it's when any kind of black group was the target of it.
But the fact is, the idea of invoking this, of saying that, oh, we're going to be going back to the nasty old days, the FBI report doesn't say anything about that.
They just say this is a tendency, this is a phenomenon.
And the idea that somehow all BLM people or anybody who cries out for social justice, as the media like to talk about it, are going to be harassed or somehow there's going to be police interrogation, it's completely, completely overblown.
But that's the situation we're dealing with today.
Well, Mr. Taylor, I think now would be a hilarious time to bring up something that you and I were very excited about happening and that was police wearing body cams as a way to showcase that they weren't just primarily preying upon people of color and going after innocent black bodies, But in actuality, they were just going after the
individuals that were responsible for crime that were suspects, and they wanted to be able to
have all of these interactions on film to protect them whenever the inevitable situation
would go south, and they would need video evidence to showcase what actually happened.
This is something that the left and the media really began to push for.
Yes, yes.
And the curious thing about this is that Vanita Gupta, do you remember her?
She was Obama's, I think, a deputy...
She was DOJ number two for civil rights.
Yeah, she was the head of the actual civil rights division.
She had a lot of power.
She had a great deal of power.
And she is now running something called the Leadership Conference on Civil and Human Rights.
And she apparently has come out with this report saying that these body cams, which the left has been pushing for all this time, are being abused.
And the reason they're being abused is that policemen are actually reviewing the film and they're trying to match their reports to what they see in the film.
Now isn't that what the whole thing was about?
I don't even understand the accusation of bias here.
They seem to be saying that somehow, whenever the police get a chance to review what they actually saw, this is going to incite prejudice against people of color.
Is that because every time the police review their film, they're going to be seeing faces of color?
Is that why? It seems to me that what Vanita Gupta really wants is for these body cams, all this footage, to be stored away in some place and to be used only if there is some dispute about what the police officer is saying.
A discrepancy. And then they can whip it out and say, aha!
So they don't want the police even to see the body cam footage, only the opposition, presumably only the criminals, only the defense attorneys can see the body.
I think that's what she's ultimately angling for.
I can completely agree with you.
I think in a way they're trying to say, hey, it's implicit bias if you do, it's implicit bias if you don't, which is so strange because it's simply if there's a discrepancy and then the cop is called up on stand.
Well, look, this is actually what happened.
Did you file this report because it was an illegal alien or a brown person you thought was MS-13 or because it's black?
Why is it that in every video of your arrest, why is it that 9 times out of 10, that's a person of color?
This is a disparate impact.
What's going on here? When I saw this headline, Mr.
Taylor, it made me laugh because, again, you should want transparency in every interaction with a police officer.
We, as a society, afford a lot of extra-legal and frightening power in a lot of ways to police to be able to do a lot of things to keep us safe so we can lay our heads down at night and sleep soundly instead of worrying about, hey, where's my clock?
Where's my bread if I hear a sound that frightens me?
Cops, I'm a bit, you know, I like cops.
I'm a huge, you know, cops, especially in our society, as we know, the past couple of years, they have an unenviable role of trying to keep this multiracial experiment from blowing up.
They really do.
I agree. Hardest job in America.
Body cams are a great way to protect them legally from extraneous superfluous lawsuits.
I mean, again, We're good to go.
The other thing about the body cams is that the assumption was that there were going to be far fewer violent encounters with criminals once people started wearing them.
They've had no effect at all.
What they have proven is that all along the police were dealing with thugs, criminals,
violent offenders in the best way they possibly could.
The rates of unfortunate and sometimes fatal encounters have not changed at all.
But this just goes to show you the preposterous assumptions that the left and society in general has,
that's dominated by the left, about what motivates police.
I think the people who write this stuff about Ferguson in Hands Up Don't Shoot, I think they genuinely believe, or at least they certainly pretend to believe, that white police are really out there just cruising around looking for black people to persecute, harm, and if they get the chance, kill.
I think they must genuinely believe that.
You're exactly right.
I remember reading an article in the Kansas City Star.
It was a crime reporter was invited to go on a, to spend a day with some cop car, with some cops.
And they drove around the city into some of the more frightening areas
of Kansas City, Missouri.
And trust me, there's some very frightening areas there.
They've got one of the higher murder rates when you break it down by race.
Terrifying, terrifying violent crime problem.
The cop had been very critical of the police in prior articles.
By the end of the day, he was wearing a vest And he was cowering because there were actually
people shooting at the cop car.
And he wrote a very pro-police article.
I haven't read this in a couple years, so if any listener out there can actually find this, to me it would be one of those.
It's one of those Colin Flaherty-esque stories that he's so famous for, for highlighting.
That guy'll never work in journalism again, probably.
Actually, it would be interesting to know if he still is employed by the Kansas City Star.
By the end of the day, he was literally cowering in the seat next to the officer because he realized what day in and day out these guys have to do to try and keep...
Some semblance of sanity.
And I've seen some remarkable footage from these body cams in which you have somebody chasing a criminal.
The criminal appears to have a gun in his hand.
The criminal will stop and turn around and point the gun at the officer and then bang, bang.
There has been no violence up until that point.
The officer's life is clearly in danger.
And that is the point in which they use lethal violence.
These guys face hair-raising, split-second decisions all the time.
And I think the more that's known about the actual nitty-gritty of police work, the more sympathy they get.
But anyway, we don't have much time left.
But I did want to talk.
We could not...
Let this podcast go by without talking about Robert Gabriel Mugat.
Yes, what is he, 93 years old and been a head of state for 37 years?
That's some sort of record for modern times, I think.
He really does reflect the nature, I think, of Africa, the nature of white media, the nature of white foreign assistance.
Here is a guy who led a guerrilla war to overthrow a white regime, and then very shortly after, and this is something that few people talk about anymore, he basically exterminated the tribe of his main opponent for power.
There was Robert Mokabe, and then there was Joshua Nkomo.
Joshua Nkomo ran a thing called Zapu, and Robert Mokabe's party was Zanu-PF. Well, Nkomo was supported by the Matabele tribe.
And about a couple of years after Mugabe took power in 1980, I think it was beginning in about 1981 or 83, he sent this Korean trained 5th Brigade into Matabele land and they just slaughtered his tribal enemies.
That's the way African dictators consolidate power.
And many, many, many of them fled across the border in South Africa.
That was just the beginning of all of these millions of Zimbabweans who have had to escape the country to avoid the terrible, terrible consequences of black rule.
And these aren't just white people you're talking about.
You're talking about the various black tribes.
They're all black. Yes, yes.
And, yeah, it was early in...
Yes, 1983. He'd been in power for a little over two years, and they just sent them off to just destroy his tribal enemies.
Then, of course, and there's speculation that Robert Mugabe was very, very envious of the world fawning over...
Nelson Mandela.
Nelson Mandela, yes.
Just across the border. And he thought that he would do something to raise his profile as someone striking blows for black liberation.
And that was one of the reasons that in 2000, he decided to start this dispossession of farmers.
He sent these so-called war veterans.
They were supposed to have been veterans of the war against the white regime of Ian Smith.
Of course, most of them were too young to have anything to do with that.
But they basically chased whites off their farms.
And the farms, of course, there were about 4,000 white farmers.
They were the backbone of the Zimbabwe economy or the Rhodesian economy.
It was the breadbasket of Southern Africa.
They exported food.
They exported tobacco. And, of course, once these farms were dismantled, Dispossessed.
Most of them fell into ruin.
They made nothing. There are all these overgrown, dilapidated, looted places now.
And what is more, it's not just the white families that had to clear up, but in many cases, they would have several hundred Africans working for them.
Black sharecroppers. Well, they're not sharecroppers.
They were employees. Yes, employees.
And they very much opposed this dispossession.
They had families. Some of the white farmers would build schools where they were educated.
They were little townships almost.
All of these things were just knocked into a cocked hat by this attempt to steal a white man's wealth in a sort of magical expectation that all you have to do is live there and things will take care of themselves.
This sort of cargo cult mentality.
Through osmosis. Yes.
So long as you're there, it's sort of magic dirt.
You live on this farm.
Things are going to grow. Things are going to harvest themselves.
Anyway, and of course, there's so many, there's so many astonishing stories to tell about.
We really should have a podcast just about Zimbabwe, I think.
But very shortly after this dispossession of farmers started, the vice president of Zimbabwe, Joseph Msika, he explained that, quote, whites are not human beings.
So that explains and justifies all of this.
Anyway, of course, under Odesia, there was an independent judiciary and a free press that quickly disappeared out of Zimbabwe.
Today, an estimated 95% of Zimbabweans are unemployed.
And then you remember this crazy inflation that they got into?
Oh yeah, I remember one of the things that people love to pass around was, now it's a Venezuelan currency, but then it was Zimbabwean.
I believe someone once gave me a bill that was, I don't think it was a billion, but it was some absurd note for the currency.
And no, that was, trust me, that was passed around and all around.
Circles that I used to swim in.
I've seen photographs of those notes, but apparently there were trillion dollar notes.
That's right. Trillion dollar Zimbabwe dollar notes.
And apparently hyperinflation went to the point of 79.6 billion percent.
That's hard even for me to imagine.
I can't. No.
How does that work?
I mean, that means that while you are wheeling your wheelbarrow full of trillion dollar notes to the store, the price has already doubled and you don't have enough.
No. No, it's just astonishing.
Then, you know, one of the other great stories about Robert Mugabe is in 1994, the Queen of England made him a knight commander of the Order of the Bath.
And that's a step up.
The lowest knights are knight's companion.
He was a knight commander.
I would love to know and love to read the official justification as to what it was that was thought about him in 1994 that made him qualify to be Sir Robert.
But interestingly enough, I guess the Queen is allowed to change her mind.
And in 2008, after his behavior got obviously cuckoo and crazy and utterly, even the Queen had to decide that this honor had to be withdrawn.
So he was no longer a knight commander of the Order of the Band.
You pointed out that he was envious of the positive press Nelson Mandela received.
One thing that we've learned is that the Western elite, they have a short memory.
Knowing that our friend Marion Barry is going to get a monument statue erected in Washington, D.C. I wouldn't put it past a future prime minister or mayor in London or prime minister of England to erect some sort of monument to Mugabe in a London that is, say, 25% white where most of the churches have been converted to mosques because Mugabe represents what the left is.
Really wants to have happen to whites in their own land.
The dispossession. I mean, Rhodesia, my rudimentary knowledge of Rhodesia, I mean, Mr.
Taylor, I would love to actually have a conversation about Rhodesia and South Africa.
Because you lived in a world where these nations actually existed.
One of the saddest parts to me is reading Camp of the Saints when I did.
And about how South Africa was going to be one of the only nations that held out.
Well, when I read this book, it was in the mid-2000s.
And that was a decade...
And a half after South Africa had basically capitulated.
And it's just so sad to even live in a world where none of this exists anymore.
I never visited Rhodesia.
I would love to have at the time.
I was traveling in Europe in 1979, 1980, when the negotiations at Glen Eagle House in Britain were taking place.
And I read those news accounts with this terrible, terrible sense of foreboding.
Everybody believed that Robert Mugabe was going to be the Messiah.
He had all of these law degrees.
He had all of these academic degrees.
He would talk reasonably.
He would talk about reconciliation with whites.
Even in those days, I could see it coming.
I even flirted with the idea of going to Rhodesia.
It would have been an astonishing experience to see it in its dying days.
But I've seen film clips of Salisbury, it was called.
It's called Harare now as the capital.
Salisbury, just the civilized way that people are dressed and moving about.
It was a well-ordered British town, and all of that has gone by the board.
It's funny, I just got done reading Arnold Schwarzenegger's first book, The Education of the Bodybuilder, and he talks about one of his most proud moments, one of The proudest moments of his young life is when he got to meet his idol, Reg Park, and he invited him.
He's a South African. He invited him to Johannesburg, to the sprawling estate, and he talked about how this is how I want to live.
And you're reading this. This is in the late 60s, early 70s, when South Africa...
If you go back and look at the movie Pumping Iron, a pretty famous movie about bodybuilding, the finals take place for Mr.
Olympia in South Africa.
And it's just... You look at this, and it's even...
I would say it's...
I'm sorry, Africa Audio.
Because you actually get to see the civilized nature when South Africa was hosting these unbelievably world, these beautiful events and the world that existed.
Only about a decade and a half before I was born.
And that's just a world that the people of South Africa, if they live in, they'll never see again.
But as Americans or as Europeans, we look at this and we're like, That could be any city in the West a decade ago.
Well, remember the first heart transplant was conducted by Dr.
Christian Barnard in South Africa.
South Africa was at the cutting edge of things like that.
Military technology, things were being invented in South Africa.
I remember it must have been probably in the mid-70s, reading an economist, a special economist, Just singing the praises of South Africa, how cutting edge it was, this wonderful economy, gold prices were going up.
It is impossible to imagine The Economist writing something like that today.
But that was a recognition of something that whites had achieved.
As so many people have pointed out, the fact that Rhodesia and South Africa were so much better off than the other surrounding countries is just a mystery to most liberals.
Why is it that these countries, I mean, it's just a pure coincidence that they were inhabited by whites.
There just must be something about them.
And, of course, when whites cease to be controlling the economy and controlling the government and running things the way white people do, then, gosh, again, it's just a strange, unaccountable coincidence that things go to pot.
You put out a great tweet probably a month ago.
You should go check it out before Twitter's gone.
But you were laughing about Disney putting out this movie called Black Panther where Wakanda Somehow has the most advanced civilization, technological civilization on Earth.
And this is a movie that is now going to be part of the Marvel canon.
And it's just laughable on its face.
But then when you actually think about what actually exists in these nations from a technological standpoint, and just Zimbabwe under Mugabe would be one.
You mentioned the quote most conservatives want to talk about without...
By removing the racial baggage of it, by pointing out, oh, but Zimbabwe was once a net exporter of food, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
Well, it's like, well, why was that? What happened?
Let's just cut down. Let's stop it.
It's not about economics.
It comes down to race.
Detroit used to be a great city, too.
But no, no, no. Pattern recognition is one of the great crimes of our era.
But I suppose we'll have to close by pointing out that the guy who has taken over from Robert Pugambi...
Emerson Mnangagwa, I suppose his mother was a great avid reader of Ralph Waldo Emerson, I suppose.
In any case, until he fell out with Mugabe, he has been one of his absolute right-hand men.
He's been with him right from the start.
In fact, he was Minister of State Security when the Ndebele were being massacred.
So he is no saint.
He is no boy scout. And he is probably going to be just as bad as Robert Mugabe.
But because white people don't learn, if you have read any of the statements by Theresa May, for example, talking about, this will be a new opportunity.
This will be a chance for us to help the Zimbabwe people to the kind of democracy and economic success that they deserve.
This is going to be yet another occasion for all sorts of foreign aid that was eventually cut off from the West.
The Chinese, of course, took over.
But again, because white people are forbidden to notice certain kinds of patterns, we're going to make the same mistakes all over again.
And my suspicion is That our pal Emerson is going to end up doing exactly the same thing.
You point out in our notes here that he has been a proponent of the expropriation of white assets, meaning their land.
That's right. Zimbabwe dollar anymore.
They got rid of it. Now the currency is the U.S. dollar.
That's right. Yeah.
No, Zimbabwe dollar just got so worthless.
Anyway, they had to replace it with something that had some sort of worth.
So that's sort of the bad news on which we must end, that all of the aid agencies are lining up to line the pockets of Emerson Manangagwa.
So, we will see when they eventually learn.
But in the meantime, I will wish all of our listeners a wonderful week.
And we will see you next week.
And thank you, Mr.
Kersey, for coming in as you so reliably do.
And one more time, happy Thanksgiving again to all the losers out there.
I hope that you had a blast with your family and friends and cherish these moments because those are the moments that, you know, they're going to help ensure that we have a future.
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