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Nov. 16, 2017 - Radio Renaissance - Jared Taylor
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The Content of Character
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Hello, ladies and gentlemen.
Welcome to another episode of Radio Renaissance.
My name is Henry Wolfe, standing in for Jared Taylor.
I am here with the incomparable Paul Kersey of Stuff Black People Don't Like.
Paul, how are you? Mr.
Wolf, I am fantastic and I want to compliment you on your wonderful NPR-esque introduction.
I am excited to be here.
We've got so much to talk about because we are living in the shadow of an anti-white sun that is casting a very frightening future for all of us.
And as you know, there are very few outlets right now that want to talk about These matters in a serious manner.
And tell you what, you're one of the few, my friend.
Well, it's not going to be considered on All Things Considered.
That's what we're here for.
So, Mr. Kersey, without further ado, let's jump right into it.
The big story of the day, the cover story of the Wall Street Journal, at least on my mobile app, was the UCLA story about these three basketball players who were arrested in China for shoplifting.
Initial reports suggested it was just from a Louis Vuitton store, but in fact it was from three different stores which were in the mall adjacent to their luxury hotel, which was being paid for.
They were there on a trip abroad to play a Pac-12 game that was being sponsored by Alibaba, which is like the China version of Amazon.
So they were sponsored to stay there, staying in a luxury hotel.
And they felt the need, the impulse, you might say, to steal.
And they stole apparently some expensive sunglasses.
We don't know what else they got their hands on.
But this was an international embarrassment.
And it's been all over the news.
These are members of an elite college basketball program.
An elite college basketball fraternity, I'd say.
UCLA, going back to the John Wooden days.
They were in the rarefied air with probably Duke as being one of the more important college basketball...
I think saying the word franchise is okay here because that's the reason they were brought over.
These three black college basketball players were...
Mr. Wolf, if I may, they're treated like gods at UCLA. And in China, basketball is probably the fastest growing sport over there.
They're revered. Basketball players from America are revered over in China.
Where this happened, it's a small town right outside of Shanghai, about 100 miles outside of Shanghai.
They've probably never seen a college basketball game before, except on TV, except on the internet.
And Mr. Wolf, these players who are treated like gods, if you're on a scholarship for one of the big two sports in college, that's football and basketball, you are treated like a god.
I mean this. Your school is paid for.
Your books are paid for. Your living quarters are paid for.
You get a meal stipend.
In basketball, the amount of swag, to use some black vernacular, the amount of swag that you get.
I believe UCLA is either sponsored by Adidas or Under Armour.
So these players are bestowed unbelievable free, mind you, Well, apparently the apparel didn't include Louis Vuitton sunglasses because they had to get their hands on those and they couldn't be bothered to pay for it.
And the Chinese, as we'll hear Donald Trump said, they aren't messing around.
These guys were facing up to 10 years.
which I thought might may have been very interesting if they actually were
sentenced to something like that. It would really set an example for,
for America on how, you know, serious societies treat the theft of property like this,
especially, look, you're in a foreign country. You are an emissary of your
people, your nation, and you're a guest in someone else's house.
Basically, you're being paid for to go there and then to steal someone
else's stuff when they invite you into their luxury home.
To steal their stuff is just so unthinkable to me, but apparently it was something that they felt they just had to do.
These players weren't just ambassadors for UCLA. They weren't just ambassadors for the sport of basketball.
But you're right, they were there on behalf of their country.
They were brought on, the corporate sponsorship, this is a Goodwill tour to play, I don't know,
were they playing local teams?
That's one of the things I don't know.
That was a Pac-12 thing.
Okay, okay.
So, they're playing some games to help broaden the global appeal of basketball.
This is an interesting point to bring up.
Basketball is one of the few sports that's actually seen a lot of growth worldwide.
Whereas in the country, you're actually starting to see a lot of, there's less interest in
the sport.
Whereas that's the exact opposite with a sport like football.
The NFL would love to expand, but there's just no interest in it.
But the Chinese, for some reason, go back to Yao Ming, some of the other players that
There is a great appeal and a great desire to see this game grow.
The NBA has seen a lot of growth, so this is interesting now that the NCAA is trying to do this.
And this could have been a very dangerous precedent setter, had...
These three black players remained in jail because would other schools be interested in bringing their players over when you look at the propensity for criminality that a lot of college football, college basketball, college athletes in general...
Well, I don't want to generalize because I don't want to put too many non-blacks in that category, but this was a massive embarrassment.
Well, and we should go here because this is Radio Renaissance.
These people were not only ambassadors for their country, for their sport, for their school.
They were ambassadors for their race because most Chinese...
The city is Hangdu.
I don't know how many black people they have in Hangdu.
Probably very few.
And probably the only thing these people know about blacks is what they see on TV. They're very well manicured blacks that...
The Western...
Scripted. Scripted blacks that Western media put out.
And then this was big news all over there.
So these are ambassadors for their race.
And this is what Chinese now are seeing of black people.
And this is the responsibility which was on their shoulders when they decided to steal these goods, not from one, but from three different stores.
I mean, it wasn't just a single impulse move.
It was a repeated move over the course of an evening.
And it was not just one person doing it, it was three.
I mean, this is unbelievable that these were the stakes.
It caused an international story.
I was at the gym and it was on every television, not just the sports channels.
Every television was talking about it.
It was on the front page of several newspapers and total embarrassment.
But they just wantonly did this.
Are you implying that these three black basketball players who are representing UCLA and China may have suffered from a lack of impulse control and poor future time orientation, Mr.
Wolfe? These are psychological measures upon which I could not begin to speculate.
We don't have any data on these things.
There are no average differences.
We are all the same, Mr.
Kersey. We're all the same.
But these players have been rescued.
There was a deus ex machina in the form of a golden-haired god who reached down and...
With a phone call, I believe, called President Xi Jinping and had the presidents of the two, arguably the two most important countries in the world right now, were talking about these three hooligans and had to personally intervene on their behalf to prevent what was turning into an international scandal.
So apparently President Xi Jinping...
Intervened and got these guys released.
Trump devoted not one, but three tweets from his account toward these players.
And the first one was his typical...
Typical insecurity that we've come to expect.
He says, do you think that the three UCLA basketball players will say thank you to President Trump?
They were headed to 10 years in jail.
And this was before their press conference.
So clearly he wanted to get something going to make sure that he was given the appropriate kudos for having done this.
So we know what he was after with all this, right?
He's trying to get some points for helping out the brothers.
It's, you know, Mr.
Wolf, this was, you know, during the election, I remembered Matt Drudge, for some reason, would always highlight essays that Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, who played basketball at UCLA under John Wood, and he was known as Lew Alcindor then.
Kareem would write essays about race and about toxic white privilege and about the negative impact that Trump was having on people of color for Time Magazine.
And Drudge... Oddly would always highlight this in a very obvious place onto the judge report, which I would argue is probably the most important news real estate out there.
And it would always be prominently displayed.
We're not going to see Kareem write an essay in Time magazine saying, Oh, thank you, Mr.
Trump. I take back everything that I said about you.
No, no. He's going to get no credit.
No credit. And so they did actually give him a shout out in their scripted apologies, which
they had a pretty tough time reading through the scripted apologies, by the way, which
was, you know, we could talk about that. But then afterward, Trump sends out these series
of tweets saying, to the three UCLA basketball players, I say, you're welcome. Go out and
give a big thank you to President Xi Jinping of China, who made your release possible.
And all caps, have a great life.
Be careful. There are many pitfalls on the long and winding road of life.
And with that, with that cliche, the president of the United States has, has proclaimed on
these three thugs, these three thieves.
It just blows my mind that this is a topic that he is devoting even one iota of his attention
toward and that he thinks is important.
We've dismantled our civilization over the past 60 years to try and uplift the black
community, black individuals, black people in general, and now we are exporting this
mindset.
This might seem, this might seem minuscule to even bring up, but we're exporting that
mindset that somehow because these three black individuals, they played basketball for UCLA,
that they are above the law.
Again, they broke the law.
It's on film at three separate stores in an area of the world where...
I mean, how often does crime happen in this city?
I'd love to actually look and see the crime stats.
I mean, when you've got a 10-year punishment for theft, it's not going to happen very often.
No, it's not. And it probably veered into what in the U.S.? I think?
The big guy who's got the highest profile is a guy by the name of LiAngelo Ball.
And he is part of what's going to become a dynastic family of basketball players.
His older brother Lonzo already plays in the...
What team does he play for? He's in the NBA. He plays for the Los Angeles Lakers.
He's a rookie. He was highly drafted.
This was one of the big stories coming up.
And it's important to bring this up because the father of course is a
megalomaniacal individual who is the head of this, as you pointed out, a
dynasty. He's trying to create this brand.
And his name is of course Lavar Ball.
He's always in ESPN. He's always on Fox Sports.
He's always an interesting person to quote for Sports Illustrated and Deadspin, all these sites.
They are trying to create not just a dynasty, but a brand to go after Nike, Under Armour,
Adidas, and it's all around his three basketball playing black sons.
Right, because he's got a younger brother, LaMelo, who is also committed, he's still
in high school, but he's committed to play for UCLA.
So all of these three sons are set to go and play eventually in the pros.
And LaVar is, yes, he's a bit of a huckster type character who's profiteering off of his
children's success.
They've actually got a reality show which airs on Facebook.
I didn't even know Facebook had exclusive programming, but it does.
And each episode is watched like millions of times.
And it's about the family and the father who's pushing his sons.
So this is a...
Pretty high-profile family.
Yes, as you mentioned, their father is monetizing their abilities.
They've got a brand called the Big Baller Brand, which sells really expensive shoes and different things that black people really care about.
And for those who might be challenged when it comes to what the term baller means, that, of course, is a euphemism for someone who is dexterous at basketball.
Yeah. Oh, and it's a play on their last name, which is Ball.
Do you see what they did there? Clever pun.
Very, very clever.
So these are the people who President Trump and Xi Jinping are going to bat for
and really sacrificing to excuse their misdeeds.
That's what's happening here.
So we can talk about the punishments that these guys are gonna face.
Right now, they've been suspended indefinitely while the school apparently, they're investigating.
They're in an investigative phase.
And of course, what that really means is they're waiting until the media hysteria dies down
so that they can give them a slap on the wrist and get them back on the court bouncing that ball.
Because the ball bouncing must go on.
It must go on.
That is the iron rule of America today.
The ball must be bounced.
That's what's going to happen.
We know that they're only going to be suspended hardly at all.
And we can look to no further than previous cases at UCLA. Back in 2010, three incoming UCLA football players were charged with felony theft after they stole $1,200 worth of goods inside of a backpack.
And these guys were top 50 recruits nationally.
And the coach, actually Rick Neuheisel, he actually did a controversial move and said, look, these guys have been charged with felony theft.
They ended up being convicted of misdemeanor theft.
But he said, look, these guys are going to ride the bench for a season.
We're not going to play these guys.
It was a really controversial decision.
Raised a lot of eyebrows. People were saying, oh, how can he do this?
These poor guys who just messed up.
They just accidentally stole $1,200 in goods.
Again, this is three people.
Three people making the same decision.
This is not like a single guy.
This is premeditated.
This is a deliberate act.
And he made the right move, benching them.
No question. But then the next season, 2011, there was a basketball player who played for UCLA, Jareem Anderson, and he was convicted for stealing a laptop.
But he was suspended for only two games.
So again, these are players who are there on scholarship.
They're given unbelievable food.
They probably have a separate dining hall.
That was the case in my school.
They are given free housing, stipends, everything they want.
Oh yeah. And then they go and steal stuff.
You know, Rick Newhouse is a fascinating story because he's no longer in coaching.
Back in the Early 2000s, he was the coach at the University of Washington, and he allowed a number of players who were actually being investigated for murder and rape to stay on the University of Washington team.
They went to the Rose Bowl that year.
There's a book written about the whole story and just the controversy surrounding that season.
It's called Scoreboard Baby.
When I read that book, whatever fandom I had for college football dissipated immediately.
When you looked at how you would sacrifice standards, you would sacrifice...
Basically, everything that should be at the foundation of collegiate athletics just to win games, just so alumni could be happy and they donate more money.
And this, of course, segues into schools like Auburn University and Florida State, where two Heisman Trophy winners at both those schools, Cam Newton at Auburn, he was actually forced out of the University of Florida because of a scandal involving a stolen laptop that he We're good to go.
He was investigated for a rape charge, Mr.
Wolf, and he also was caught stealing crab legs.
I know. And this was pretty...
Both of those are... And he's in the pros now.
He's in the pros now. Yeah, he won the Heisman Trophy.
He won a national title with Florida State in 2013.
And I remember the whole rape investigation was going on.
I don't think he had to sit out one game.
I think the rape charges were filed.
They were investigated, but...
During the entire process, he was still allowed to play and stay enrolled in the school for that 2013 season.
It's sick stuff.
It goes to a broader point, which is what sport has become in our society.
You could go back to some of the first things we know about the inception of sport in ancient Sparta
Where it was sport was considered a quasi religious thing where people were doing it to honor the gods
It was the ultimate embodiment of their the values that they cherished as a society of courage and honor and sportsmanship
These sorts of things and that has been a tradition in the Western world for a long time
And so that the character of athletes Matters and the the values that they uphold matter
Especially when it it's such bad character that it rises to the level of international news
And here you've got LeVar Ball, the father of one of these perpetrators at UCLA, on ESPN. He said, quote, everybody is making it a big deal.
It ain't that big of a deal.
Wow. Mr.
Wolfe, we've basically seen the capitulation of our society to black standards just so our alma maters can have a winning team, be it in football, be it in basketball.
We go back to the Baylor rape scandal that really blew up the past year when Baylor decided they wanted to have a winning football team and they started to recruit black players who normally wouldn't be...
Enrolled in that elite institution.
Baylor is a private school. They've got some very high academic standards.
And they loosened those just so they could have a winning team.
Now, what does that mean? They started to recruit more and more, for lack of a better term, thuggish black players.
And I remember reading in one of the pitches to these black players, they said, Hey, we got a lot of...
The coach's son, Art Bryle's son, actually said, and I quote, Hey, there are a lot of white women at Baylor.
We know that that's a widespread trend in college athletics.
It's a sick thing. It's not just the academic standards that are being sacrificed, which on some level we're willing to accept.
Although I'll say as a student, it was an embarrassment having to sit in classes where there was a large participation element and having to sit next to players who couldn't even string together coherent sentences, much less comment on the subject matter.
That was a total embarrassment.
But that's one thing. But to sacrifice your moral standards as well.
To subject your student population not just to things like theft, but to rape.
Horrific rape. If you want to talk about the Vanderbilt scandal.
Yeah, I was going to bring that up. Unbelievable.
The Vanderbilt scandal, in a lot of ways, it parallels what happened at Baylor because...
Right.
Right. She justified this on what happened 400 years ago.
This guy is in school and if he goes to class, somehow he sat through and maybe Tim Wise was a guest lecturer and he was talking about white privilege.
And somehow that registered and he realized, you know what?
I'll use that as a defense if I ever get caught sexually assaulting a white girl.
I'll use the Tim Wise defense.
Right. And of course, slavery, he got the number wrong.
It wasn't around in America for 400 years.
Sorry. But no, it is disgusting and sick stuff.
And what it shows is that sport, like so many other things in our society, has been reduced to its strictly utilitarian purpose.
It is strictly about who can put the ball through the hoop, who can take the ball down the field.
That is all it is.
Any sort of higher meaning to it has been stripped away.
I don't want to get too abstract with things, but you could draw a parallel to architecture where architecture in our society has become very utilitarian and stark and just strictly about what is the purpose and function.
Any sort of higher valuation or higher considerations are cast aside for the sake of this purpose.
That's what we've seen happen in athletics.
College athletics was truly the Trojan horse because it allowed for black athletes to come in to these predominantly white institutions where white people largely have no interaction with non-whites, especially when integration began in the 1950s, 1960s, 1970s of these programs all across the country.
And they basically would hero worship these athletes who represented their school.
They wore the same colors, they sacrificed, and they won on the field, whether it was the basketball courts or the football field, for the greater good.
And that was where their conception of these black athletes to a point where you basically capitulate your entire team to where...
I remember reading about integration in the SEC. And within like three years of integration at the University of Alabama, they were fielding A starting five comprised entirely of black athletes, where three years prior, there was not one black player on the team.
And there are a lot of famous stories of coaches who actually resigned.
I doubt anyone listening here is going to launch a petition to have Bobby Dodd Stadium at Grant Field in Atlanta.
That's the Georgia Tech Stadium renamed, but Bobby Dodd famously resigned so he wouldn't have to coach.
An integrated football team at Georgia Tech.
This is true.
This is an actual true story.
At some point, we're going to see a lot of those coaches who resisted change.
They'll be stricken from the records.
You and I have talked about the gentleman down in Florida.
I can't remember what county it was.
Just because he had said some things.
Broward, yeah. Broward County.
He had to have his name removed.
If you aren't sufficiently, if you aren't sufficiently, um, deferential to black athletes and to their position that
they have in our society of, of hero worship, you are of course a heretic and you have no place.
The mere fact that we're even, that we aren't, uh, on the same wavelength as Mr. Ball,
who said, oh, hey, you know, this is, they're in China, steal wherever you want to.
We're Americans, right?
Disgusting.
The, the only character traits that matter in our society is whether or not you've committed
some sin against a, uh, an at-risk group.
If, if you've committed some ism, uh, something like that.
If you've done that, you're verboten and you're beyond the pale.
Last night Twitter just did a big purge of verification badges.
And their new rules say that anyone who has been promoting hate towards any other group, which of course we used to think the SPLC was the only arbiter of who the haters were.
They saw into people's hearts in a way that no one else could.
Now we know that also Silicon Valley is getting in on it and that they're looking into people's hearts.
But that is, you will lose your verification badge if you are a hater.
However, if you're Harvey Weinstein, if you're some of these other Hollywood types who have now been, basically, I mean, there are enough accusations out there that we know that they've done some nefarious stuff.
Don't worry about it. Look, if you're a pedophile, if you're a rapist, you'll be verified.
Because those aren't real sins in our society in a way that hating is.
And, you know, I don't want to be too extreme about that.
I mean, obviously these people are going to have some punishment, but with these black players, do you think that if a white player dropped an in-bomb to a black player one time in the locker room or something, that he would still be playing?
We actually have two stories recently in the NFL and Major League Baseball.
Riley Cooper, a couple years ago, back in 2012, was caught.
He was caught at a country concert saying the N-word to a cop.
And he played a couple more seasons.
He was not suspended by Chip Kelly, the coach of the Eagles, but he did have to undergo some sort of sensitivity training.
I actually have a great story.
I wish you could tell it. Maybe a couple more years because Riley Cooper might...
He still has a chance to come back, but he's been out of the NFL now for two years.
He's 30, 31 now, I believe.
He's still of an age where he could be a number three receiver probably for an NFL team because he has a great track record.
He's not in the NFL anymore.
The baseball player, I cannot remember his name, but he was the catcher for the Seattle Mariners two seasons ago.
And he said something about one of the riots that was taking place in Charlotte.
And... He was actually suspended for the rest of the season because it was so intolerant to the blacks who were rioting in Charlotte.
He was upset about it. He put this great tweet out.
It was something that you would have been proud of.
You probably would have retweeted it.
I cannot remember his name, but he was a journeyman catcher who again the Mariners went to the
extraordinary steps of suspending him for the rest of the year with like 30 games to
go.
He did not get signed in the 2017 season.
And we could go back.
His career is done.
We could go back to John Rocker and all these people.
It just touches to the broader point that we're just not being judged by the content
of character anymore.
We're being judged by the color of skin and if you're the wrong color of skin and you
say something else that's beyond the pale, you're out.
You're just out. And it brings us to our next story, which is these New York Times op-eds where white people are being judged by the color of their skin.
That's it. The first one is called, Can My Children Be Friends With White People?
And this was written by a law professor by the name of Ikau Yanka.
And it was really an astonishing piece, basically arguing that it answered in the negative.
His kids cannot be true friends with white people in the age of Trump because...
Somehow, all trust has been destroyed and all bridging across racial lines is impossible.
So you read through the entire piece and it's just this tale of woe about all the violence being visited upon black bodies in the age of Trump and all this just crazy, outlandish paranoia.
But then you get to the end and there is a saving grace.
There is a line...
Hallelujah. There is hope for white people.
And it's this line.
He says, there are friends who have marched in protest, rushed to airports to protest the president's travel ban, people who have shared the risks required by strength and decency.
And those people, only those people, those white people, can he be friends with.
So what is this about? The New York Times arguably is the most important real estate for understanding where elite thinking is headed.
The editorial section, mind you.
You know, you could say the Wall Street Journal is important to understand economics, but
to understand the culture, to understand where the intellectual underpinnings of not just
the present but the future, where things are headed.
Read the New York Times editorial section.
Read what they promote.
Read who they allow to give voice to an opinion that the editorial board, hey, they probably
wouldn't write that yet, but in a couple years, you know, again, this is...
The stuff that Charles Blow writes, there's nothing that couldn't be written in that section
now that would surprise me.
There's nothing.
I mean, it could just be a straight up call for, you know, culling white people.
It wouldn't be far beyond some of the stuff that Charles Blow writes.
You know, I gotta tell you, I gotta tell you, I don't think we're that far away from basically
some New York Times editorial writer saying that we need to figure out a way to pass a
law so that white people can't reproduce with one another.
I'm not being hyperbolic there.
I mean, you see calls for this sort of thing from blue checks on Twitter.
So, I mean, you know, it starts as a joke, but then, of course, it could become...
Social policy. It could become a serious thing.
But let's dive into this thing.
He's Mr. Yonka.
His oldest son is four, and his kid is asking him, how many people can I be friends with?
And he uses this as a way to springboard onto talking about how he can't be friends with white people.
I mean, who teaches their kids this?
It's just crazy. He says he's going to teach his kids suspicion, caution, and distrust because of the events in Charlotte school and because of Trump's election.
And because there are so many apologists for Trump out there and people who still support his record that, quote, real friendship is impossible in this era.
Mr. Wolf, I've got to go back here real quick and talk about Trump's election again because...
There wasn't racial solidarity with white people nationwide with Donald Trump.
I don't think Donald Trump got, what, 64% of the white vote?
No, no. I don't even know if he broke 60.
I mean, what percentage of the white vote did Donald Trump get?
Mr. Yonka, you know, Mr.
Law Professor who's already talking to his four-year-old son about black bodies and trying to get him to read Ty Nehezi Coates' Black Panther.
I mean, Mr. Wolf, this piece and this reality of what blacks...
I mean, again, to understand what black people actually are talking about, you'd have to go to black churches to understand what's going on from a psychological mindset, what they're talking about, what they're...
What they're discussing. But we've just had the book thrown open.
And we are, as you alluded to in the segue, this is a complete departure from the vaunted dream of Martin Luther King, the supposed roadmap for America's future.
Well, guess what? We're going back to before he gave the speech in 1963 on the Washington Mall.
We're going back to a period where automatically, automatically, white people have to have Separation.
We have to have separation for black to protect our black bodies.
That's what he says.
He says, quote, spare me the platitudes about how we're all the same inside.
I first have to keep my boys safe.
Now, in some ways, that's actually an admirable sentiment.
He's like, you know, just forget your idealism.
Forget all this stuff.
I've got to keep my boys safe.
It would be admirable if it had any basis in fact.
I mean, if a white person said this to their kids in the way that John Derbyshire suggested they do in his famous piece that got him fired from National Review.
The talk. The talk, non-black edition.
Because he was riffing off of this sort of thing where blacks supposedly talk to their kids and tell them that their bodies are under assault and all this stuff.
Look, Name me a single place in Washington, D.C., a single place in Baltimore, a single place in Houston, a single white area that a black could not walk through.
Without feeling totally safe.
And not just that, probably having a red carpet rolled out for him.
Whereas I will show you exactly where in every single major city in the country where if you are a white person and you walk alone through that area, you will be attacked if you stay there for some amount of time.
You will be attacked.
There's no question or Not just be attacked.
You'll have a cop show up and say, hey, what are you doing in this area?
You're an idiot. Drive through that red light.
Do not look back.
If the light is red, keep driving.
Because guess what, dude? You're not safer.
That's happened to me. I was actually in an area of...
I won't name the city, but I was in an area and I had gotten lost.
This predates GPS. Or maybe I didn't have a GPS or something.
I've... Obstinate.
Just didn't want a GPS. But I was kind of lost.
I'm looking around and all of a sudden, a cop pulls me over.
And he basically said, verboten what I just said.
Get out of here. Right. This is not a safe area.
This happened when I went to Baltimore. I went to...
The horse race a couple years ago.
The Preakness.
Preakness, yeah. And my friends and I, we were trying to park and there was a cop leading traffic and we're like, hey, can we park over here?
He goes, no, no, no, no, no.
Don't park over there. Go this way.
You're safe that way. Right.
It was a white cop. I had a similar experience when I first moved to the DC metro area and I was living in Southern Maryland at the time.
And I didn't have a GPS on my phone.
And so I wound up in Anacostia.
And you know what's going on.
You start seeing the sort of stores change.
And there's not a pallid face to be found.
But I didn't know how to get out of the area.
I went to get out of there as soon as possible.
I pulled into a supermarket parking lot and went in to try and get an area map so I could look at it and find the street.
I guess I wasn't really aware of the extent to which I was going to be a minority.
I was the only white person in this entire grocery store.
And the entire surrounding area.
And so when I walked into the grocery store, it was bizarre.
Like it was like people, like I was an alien.
I mean, people were, all eyes were on me.
And not really in a hostile way, but just kind of like a laughing way.
Like, what's this white boy doing here?
You know? And so when I got out of the grocery store, after I'd finished looking at the map and got a plan for how to get home, Um, three black teenagers on, uh, bicycles started riding around me like sharks and you know, they weren't really being like menacing or whatever, but they weren't, they weren't really saying anything either.
They were just kind of laughing to themselves.
At the time I was driving a very expensive truck.
And so they were like saying some things about the truck or whatever, but they were literally circling around me.
And I'm just like, what's, what the hell is this about?
Like, what am I going to have to do here?
How am I going to defend myself?
And, you know, there's no circumstances under which a black person in America today would have a similar experience.
It just wouldn't happen. From an anecdotal standpoint, when I was younger, I remember...
I actually felt really good one day because I invited one of my friends who played on my AAU basketball team, a black guy, to go to my country club.
And I had some sort of euphoric feeling because obviously the country club was all white.
And I actually had a momentary...
A momentary shot of positive vibes.
I'm trying to think of the right word to describe.
Your virtue.
My virtue. Endorphins were, I don't know, something was being firing.
That's the good stuff.
I remember the feeling that I had because he didn't have shorts and I let him borrow a pair of my bathing suit and I felt so good about doing it.
And then I remember reflecting on it the next day like, why did I, what the hell?
I mean this. I was in middle school, maybe.
No, I was in high school, but I remember thinking to myself the next day, It's a typical trait of white people.
White people really get excited about doing something that they're not expected to do, about transgressing some sort of racial boundary and doing what's perceived as a virtuous act.
Exactly. White people really get off on getting beyond themselves like that.
But at the same time, I repudiated that feeling.
I remember the very next day, I'm like, I don't know why I felt that way.
And I've always felt that I bet at some sense there's a moment in people's life when they do something virtuous and instead of realizing they don't want to OD on that and they don't want to have that become something that they have to continuously have shut into their glands.
It's an addiction, exactly.
To the virtue signaling and virtuous acting, you know, as they perceive it.
I mean, whites are very ethical actors and that's how we get our jollies.
It's pretty bizarre, but, you know, it brings us back to this Times opinion piece, and you've got to ask yourself, you know, what is the purpose of this guy writing this?
Yeah. Right? Let's take a step back and ask, what is the purpose of him writing an op-ed about, you know, why his kids shouldn't be friends with black people, right?
What... I mean, he's not writing it for his kids.
They can't read it. Who is he writing it for?
Who's his audience? And so you just got to ask the question, where did it get published?
Not The Root. It wasn't published at Black Planet.
It got published for the New York Times.
So his audience is the Swipple set.
And what is the point of it?
The point is to say, look, white people, if you want to be friends with me, which is a privilege, by the way, you're going to have to get out there and be part of the resistance.
The only way you can be redeemed is by doing these acts, which I declare to be virtuous.
Going out to the airports when the travel ban is issued, marching in some Black Lives Matter thing, which you'll have to stay in the back.
Because we want black faces up front.
You can't speak. You can't speak, but you need to be there so you can be humiliated.
And spoken to. And spoken to and talked down to.
This is the only way that you can be a friend of mine, which is, by the way, a great privilege.
That's who he's talking to, the Swipple set.
I can't bring myself to watch Jordan Peele's Get Out.
This is a movie that was made for like $4.5 million.
It's made $265 million worldwide.
It's this film where apparently this black guy is introduced to his white girlfriend's family.
They're liberals and they're apparently even worse racially than explicitly racial people.
racist, blah, blah, blah, you know, the Hollywood caricature of so-called identitarians, white
people who actually advocate on behalf of their own race and their racial interests.
But you know, you read this piece and you realize, again, this is white people being
lectured to, and you have to ask yourself, well, you know, the word you use is probably
correct, privilege.
That the opportunity to be friends with my children as a Caucasian, as a white person,
you know, not only is this a privilege, but whatever we say to maintain that friendship,
to maintain that, that.
If you want to be a...
What's the word they use?
A white ally? Yeah, an ally.
An ally. If you want to be our ally, you've got to conform.
You've got to acquiesce.
Yeah, exactly. You've got racial acquiescence.
It's a way of weaponizing white guilt.
It's a perfect structure for it, too.
He sits there and spends the first part of it really digging in and saying, no, there's no way you could be friends and you're so terrible and Trump is doing all these bad things and And once he's got you primed and feeling the guilt, he's like, here's your expiation.
Here's what you get. But it goes back.
I mean, these people live in a bizarro world.
And this is and I'm not just saying these people in the same blacks, but but anti Trump people who really believe
the This idea that Trump is somehow this horrifying racist
I mean, we're not gonna be able to talk about this but the New York Times just published yet another editorial
trying to blast white supporters of Trump as Racist by saying that if you live in an area, that's 85%
Right.
Right. Some racial animus behind Trump's election with the white electorate.
But that's just not the case when you look at nationally.
When you look at nationally the way that whites voted overall.
Take out the outliers like Alabama, Mississippi, the way that whites voted in those areas.
Where whites vote like blacks vote nationally.
It's a racial headcount.
Democracy is a literal racial headcount in places like Louisiana.
Louisiana, Arkansas, Alabama, and Mississippi.
But my point is this.
I mean, you and I are...
And the people listening to this, we actually look at race and we are trying to find solutions to what we know is a problem that impacts not just white people, but the inflated expectations based on average white standards that are then forced upon I mean, last week, Jared and I were joking about the situation in Baltimore, where I think 13 schools, there were zero blacks who were proficient in mathematics.
I mean, imposing these standards, these average white standards, it's not good for anyone.
Well, and if you're going back to his op-ed and he's talking about trust being destroyed, I mean, we know that trust is destroyed by diversity and that, you know, if you can't have friendship without trust, and we know that trust is destroyed by diversity, you know, it's...
It's implicitly an argument for separation.
But, of course, we can't talk about it.
Well, Putnam's study is so important because not only did he sit on it for a couple years because he was embarrassed by the findings, but if you actually look at the intellectual godfather, a lot of this nonsense about black bodies, that's...
Ty Nehezi Coates.
He spends a lot of his book that he wrote to his son talking about how dangerous it was to live in Baltimore, not because of white supremacists, not because of neo-Nazis, not because of white people, but because he was a nebbish black guy in an all-black area.
And he felt frightened by that, walking to class and stuff.
And it's crazy when you sit there and think about it because you would think, you know...
I'm from an area that is homogenous, very white.
There was never a time that I felt my life was in danger.
But if you're black in an all-black area, this is the corollary to Putnam's study.
The blacker a community, the less trust exists, which is crazy if you think about that.
Right. It's not just diversity as such that causes this erosion of social trust and everything that goes along with it.
It is really about the percent black.
Correct. You can't frame it that way.
But yeah, you were talking about how black people feel set upon in their own communities.
You're not going to really find studies on that.
You're not going to find studies that try and quantify how bad it is for Blacks to be in their own communities because that doesn't further any narrative.
That shows that Blacks themselves, there's something wrong with their community and you can talk about what it is.
No one wants to talk about that.
People want to keep whitey on the hop, which goes to the other New York Times editorial we wanted to talk about, which is called We Are Sick of Racism, literally.
What it's trying to do, and this has been done many times over the years, as this study points out, is say that there are health harms which are caused by discrimination.
The same thing has been published probably monthly somewhere for the past decades.
They talk about how people who claim that they perceive racism or discrimination have higher blood pressure and higher cortisol levels.
They say that No fewer than 700 studies on the link between discrimination and health have been published since 2000.
I mean, what else has been subjected to 700 studies?
I mean, there are a ton of things that I would like to see studied that I can't find a single thing on.
But we've got this.
And they're trying to say that when black people are maybe given a little extra scrutiny when they go shopping, for instance, that this causes some massive cataclysmic health problem.
And again, the reason that they're given this extra treatment is because of people like Mr.
Ball and his teammates.
Who steal. Wherever they go.
Even in China. It's just insane.
A microaggression like somebody casting an eye when they walk in a store.
Like the way you were looked at when you walked into a store that was populated by only black customers.
The way that they looked at you.
That spiked my blood pressure.
I'm not going to be studied though.
It would be fascinating if you could look at the studies that this gentleman brought out in this New York Times editorial.
To find out how many of those studies were actually publicly funded by taxpayer dollars.
Right, right. Allocated to try and figure out this.
I'm sure the National Institute of Health was fully behind it, backing it with millions and millions of dollars.
And we could probably guess what the researchers looked like.
Yeah, I mean, how many jobs did this truly fake industry?
What I want to see is a study of white people walking through black communities and let's see what happens to their health markers.
Let's see what happens to their blood pressure and their cortisol levels.
Let's see what that does.
We can talk about other effects of diversity that clearly have health implications that we're never going to read about in the New York Times op-ed section.
When are we going to read an op-ed that's called Commuting Traffic Caused by Diversity?
Leads to adverse life outcomes.
And this is undoubtedly true, right?
In an area like D.C. where there are an entire quadrant of the city and then entire outlying areas you can't stay in, white people can't live in, they're totally unlivable, although they're slowly being gentrified, but they're totally unlivable right now.
And for this reason, whites have to commute, some of them, up to two hours each way per day.
Yeah. So that they can live in an area that's affordable enough and you're sitting in bumper to bumper traffic and anyone who's done that knows that your blood pressure is just through the roof.
You've got a throbbing headache after your adrenaline is running.
This is a direct product of the fact that unlike in Europe, Although that's changing, we can't live in our cities.
Or, regrettably, you can't use public transportation.
I can't tell you the anxiety I've always felt.
I've lived primarily in cities that have public transportation that gets you from point A to point B, and it works.
But the problem is, you don't want to take it.
Just because the way that you feel when you get on a train, when you get on a train and you look around, you're like, oh my gosh.
This is uncomfortable. You know, there are signs that clearly say, do not play loud music, and then some guy will get on a train at the next stop, and they'll have their music blaring.
And you're asking yourself...
I mean, that's happened to me personally.
You're asking yourself... Like, dozens of times on the Metro, where you're just in the middle of a Metro car, and just rap music just starts playing.
And you ask yourself, should I say something?
Because no one else will. And you look around at the other white people, you make eye contact with them, and there's this apprehensive look of...
Well, there's apprehension because, you know, for a while I curated the news at Ameren.
And so you see all these stories.
A lot of the stories come from, it's any place that whites and blacks interact.
And often the only place that that happens is public transportation.
And you've got all these stories of, you know, a white person who says in a movie theater, hey, would you guys stop talking?
Or, you know, they're on the metro and they say, hey, could you turn the music down?
And then they get shanked. Or stabbed with a meat thermometer was what happened.
I was reading the Atlanta Journal-Constitution just had this big expose on race in Georgia and Atlanta.
And a leftist, a white leftist, wrote an article.
He lives in...
The Dunwoody area, which is a very white area of North Fulton County in Atlanta.
And he wrote about how he felt ashamed because when he took the North Springs MARTA station down to the airport, you have to go through, you have to go from white, white, white, starts getting black, or you get to Buckhead, a little darker, a little darker.
When you get to Atlanta...
Yeah, there's still a lot of white people, but once you get past one of the stations, you get to a point where all you're seeing is black faces.
And this white guy, as a leftist, said he felt guilt about this.
And he's like, oh, I feel bad, but this is why white people just don't ride MARTA. What we need to think about, Mr.
Kersey, is the adverse health outcomes that come from feeling this guilt.
Let's study this.
We need to study it because it doesn't even matter.
You are not even culpable for having these feelings because what matters, according to this op-ed, quote, it is the perception of discrimination in and of itself that is linked to poor health.
So it's not even whether discrimination does or does not exist.
It's just the perception. Well, what about the perception that when white people are going through these areas, they are feeling threatened?
They're feeling set upon.
They're feeling guilt. What about that perception and how it's going to affect your health?
Irrelevant. It does not matter.
It does not matter. You're not going to get a National Institute of Health study about it.
Not only do we know that white lives don't matter in that case, I mean, again, when you read that piece in the AJC, it's like, man, this guy's kind of a wimp, but at the same time, he's bringing up a lot of good points.
It's a real perception. It is a very real perception.
And, you know, just the eye contact that he'd make with an increasingly black customer, clientele, who are riding the train once you get to the part where you're getting close and close to the airport, because that's an area of Atlanta that's not going to ever gentrify.
It's just real estate people don't want to live in, in that area.
But... You go back to earlier this year when the whole concept of the white death, the suicide opioid addiction, and just the amount of white people that were committing suicide that were dying early, and the controversy that arose around this academic study, basically because these academics dared to even look into something that impacted white people negatively and wanted to bring Notoriety and news and eyes and people to actually consider that this is a legitimate subject we should be interested in as opposed to being,
no, no, no, there are no legitimate interests if white people are being impacted negatively.
That's punishment for, you know, going back to that quote by the Vanderbilt football player.
That's 400 years of slavery that has to be atoned for.
Right. Now, it's so funny.
In the earlier New York Times op-ed that we were talking about by Mr.
Yonka, he said, you know, when the opioid crisis happens, it is like a national health crisis and it's something we all have to be worried about.
It's like, look, there are no national programs.
Dedicated to this yet.
And maybe Mr. Trump is going to start him.
But it's a huge issue.
I think a hundred or more people are dying per day from this.
And of course it does disproportionately affect whites.
But there's nothing going on.
But then literally in the adjacent editorial you've got...
News about 700 studies happening about microaggressions and Black people being followed around stores and how that affects their health.
And then if you go beyond that, I'm sure that these studies have been used to justify all kinds of crazy programs, medical interventions, and policies.
I'm sure dozens or hundreds and the monetary discrepancy there is probably unbelievable between how the white death is being treated versus how these, you know, in many cases perceived and imaginary acts of discrimination are happening.
It's just, it's insane.
But just from a 40,000 foot view with these two editorials and why it's so important that we're talking about them, They were published on the same day.
Now, if you would just look at the headlines of both those pieces, you'd look at yourself, wait a second.
Racism is, you know, we're sick of racism, literally.
And then the other headline, of course, is, can my children be friends with white people?
Yeah. Disconnect anyone?
Well, because it all makes sense once you realize that racism can only be against non-whites.
Correct. And that whites cannot be victims of racism.
Except, I guess, when it comes to hate crimes.
When it comes to actual crimes and actual violence instead of microaggressions and imaginary perceived violence, we've got new data out from the FBI and it turns out that anti-white hate crimes are up 20% over...
From 2015 to 2016, we've got now 876 anti-white hate crimes.
And this is clearly a 20% increase on that number with that number of starting cases.
I think you've got to say that it's not just a statistical anomaly.
I mean, this is probably a result of increased anti-white hatred that is happening in the era of Trump.
Well, I would also say that...
It's interesting because there is no market and there never will be a market in America for a white person to fake a hate crime.
There just won't be. You're not going to get any sympathy and you're not going to get awarded.
Except for gay stuff.
Yeah, that's a good point.
But you're not going to get rewarded with an ADL award.
When a hate crime goes awry.
As the Air Force Academy, the Lieutenant General, we find out that, hey, guess what?
The black guy actually reported this.
He's the one who wrote it, yet he still gets some sort of ADL award for fighting racism.
Fighting hate, yeah. Fighting hate.
A white person who...
He's like Don Quixote out there.
Swinging it away at their window.
Say a white person on a campus would write on a chalkboard or something, hey, kill all honkies.
It's like, oh my god, some black person wrote this.
It doesn't even have to happen.
Look, there's people writing letters to the editor now and signing them with their names saying it's not okay to be white.
Yeah. In response to this campaign, right?
And saying like white lives don't matter or all over Twitter signing with their real names is pretty funny.
This Tara McCarthy on Twitter, she had posted something about how white people are declining as a percentage of the world population and how white genocide is real.
And somehow it made it onto black Twitter.
And so they all started saying, who cares?
Can't happen soon enough.
Here's your comeuppance.
You know, all these comments.
And Tara was retweeting all of them.
It was really remarkable. I mean, just this anti-white hatred coming from people who are signing it under their real names, as far as anyone can tell.
And, you know, they're not going to face repercussions.
Because anti-white hatred is sanctioned by the highest levels of our society.
It's interesting. Richard Spence was one of the people who lost their verification on Twitter.
He wrote something like, oh, does this mean that white lives don't matter?
I think he wrote, I guess this means it's not okay to be white.
And then someone with a blue checkmark responded, yes, Richard, it's not okay to be white.
And it was a white guy who wrote it.
And you're looking at this, you're realizing, you know, he's not virtue signaling anymore,
this white guy isn't.
This is what they actually believe.
And it goes back to something that Steve Saylor wrote for Talkie Mag when he was talking about
the whole brouhaha over the Air Force Lieutenant General who doubled down after the hate crime
was exposed as a literal hoax.
He wrote that the hoax was done initially perpetuated to spread fear and loathing against
its white victims.
Saylor said that. Yeah, Saylor wrote this about the reason and the justification behind a lot of these hate hoaxes we see.
And you know, Mr. Wolfe, I keep thinking about what exactly is going to be the logical conclusion of an increasingly non-white K-12 public school attendees who are marinating in lesson after lesson lecture activities Lecture after lecture that income inequality is due to white privilege.
It's due to these white people who have created institutional racism, structural inequality, implicit bias, whatever other buzzword you can think of.
And no, Mr. Wolf, I was reading the great Lothrop Stoddard book, The Revolt Against Civilization.
I came across a passage that's You know, the simplicity of its message when it is forced upon what we're living through right now.
Because you and I, you know, when we were in college, a lot of this white privilege stuff had yet to really take hold.
I can't remember too many lectures.
You and I graduated not that far from each other in time period.
And these lectures, these lessons, this ideology had yet to really seep into the liberal arts discipline where it is now.
And Stoddard wrote in chapter four of...
The Revolt Against Civilization.
The title of the chapter is amazing.
It's The Lure of the Primitive.
He wrote this. The symptoms of incipient revolution can be divided into three stages.
One, destructive criticism of the existing order.
Two, revolutionary theorizing and agitation.
Three, revolutionary action.
Now, I know a lot of people out there, we're so frightened to even talk about a lot of this stuff publicly because we know that the consequences of even being somebody who tangentially is connected to white advocacy, the consequences of such.
But a lot of us don't ever sit back and think, where is all this headed, Mr.
Wolfe? Where is all of this headed?
It's a good question. I mean, it used to be that whites were really only held responsible for the bad things that happened to non-whites for their poverty levels, for their unemployment levels, for their criminality, illegitimacy, all these sorts of things liberals have held whites responsible for for a long time.
But now what you see with this white privilege dogma is that even the good things that white people have Are illegitimate.
Even the good things are illegitimate.
And so you literally have to feel guilt for everything.
For the bad things that happen to non-whites, for the good things that you have because your parents and ancestors left you a wonderful country in which you're the majority population and the majority culture belongs to you.
These things you have to feel guilt for.
I mean, this is kind of extreme agitation.
And you do get the sense, you know, we shouldn't be too hyperbolic, but you do get the sense that we're heading into a more revolutionary time where, you know, you see a lot more black power fists being held up now.
The Black Lives Matter rallies were really crazy.
You had real lawlessness in the streets.
Being sanctioned by people from the highest levels of government, namely Barack Obama.
You've got real revolt against police and Established order, violence entering the political sphere, people praising all kinds of political violence.
You've got the rise of Antifa and things.
You know, things have really reached a fever pitch where you get the sense that maybe if there was some extreme economic downturn, maybe if the stock market crashed, maybe if the education bubble pops or something, that something crazy, you know, the system can't really handle too much more.
And that's even with the stock market at record highs, the economy doing so well, unemployment at, you know,
very low levels, at least in terms of the official statistics,
it really makes you wonder.
Yeah, and I guess we can conclude with the retconning of the whole NFL protests.
Mr. Wolf, Colin Kaepernick was just named GQ citizen of the year.
Yeah.
And they actually are now positioning his stance as opposed to being about police brutality
as it, I guess, initially was.
Now it's a stance against racism in the age of Trump.
It's been retconned.
In comic books, you try and retcon the origin of a character to fit the new norms.
Now we're seeing a revisionist look at what the stance was initially taken for versus what it now has become, and it goes back to the editorial that was on the New York Times.
It all was connected to this pushback against white America daring to elect Donald Trump when in reality, you know a
Slim majority of white America elected Donald Trump a vast Regrettably large percentage of white America actually
sides with the rising tide of color in America and it's it's overwhelming of what once was a
You know a pretty awesome country for lack of a better term the goalposts will always move
The initial the origins of any protest of any any movement, you know
Let's say I think we were talking about on the last podcast one of these hoaxes
Where we were where the university president after the fact Said even though this is a hoax
We're gonna continue doing this because there are all these systemic issues and they need to be addressed. It's like
look Just admit that you're trying to boost non-whites and disenfranchise whites.
Just admit it. Just come out and say it and just have the policy.
Quit using the pretext. Quit treating us like we're idiots and just do what you're going to do.
But they're not.
They do it under this.
They're constantly gaslighting, constantly trying to tell people that what they know to be true is not true, that Michael Brown had his hands up.
Don't shoot. Don't worry about it.
Don't worry about the facts. It's It's about a broader trend of police brutality, which also statistically doesn't exist.
But then it's about police departments not looking like the people who they police.
And it just keeps moving and keeps moving.
And the point, the uniting point, is that it's anti-white.
And once you see that, it's like the key that unlocks everything and everything begins to make sense.
Yeah, the only moral good, the only ethical solution that whites can partake in in this time period, in this timeline, to use a Twitter phrase, is that whites must be a partner in surrendering the country to their ancestors.
For the betterment of everyone.
Even though it's detrimental to whites long term.
Yep. To their families. To their descendants.
It doesn't matter. You must aid and abet in this.
And if you do, then you might get a chance to be a friend with Mr.
Yonka. So that is something for our listeners to aspire to.
Mr. Kersey, thank you once again for joining us for a riveting discussion.
We will hear from you next week.
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