The Joe Rogan Experience - Joe Rogan Experience #2480 - Arsenio Hall

April 8, 2026 - The Joe Rogan Experience

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Joe Rogan Experience #2480 - Arsenio Hall

# substance use rodney dangerfield richard pryor arsenio hall charlie kirk charlie sheen chris rock comedy history damon wayans dave chappelle digital culture faye resnick joe rogan late night television mitzi mccall music industry oj simpson paul shaffer political corruption prince

Arsenio Hall and Joe Rogan dissect the legacy of Mitzi McCall and the Comedy Store's evolution, contrasting 1970s club chaos with modern digital dangers like Roblox predators. They critique corporate talk show constraints that stifled Prince's musical freedom and analyze how political corruption forces celebrities to choose the "least evil" option. The conversation highlights the decline of traditional late-night TV due to commercial interruptions versus long-form internet content, while Rogan shares his move to Austin to escape LA's homelessness crisis. Ultimately, they argue that unstructured creativity and resilience define true success over rigid corporate ideologies. [Automatically generated summary]
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Alcohol vs. Pre-Prepared Material 00:14:44
unidentified		Joe Rogan Podcast, check it out.
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		Let's rock and roll, sir.
		Yes.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		Our old friend would be so happy.
		Not just that picture, but so much that you've done.
		Like, do you believe that people who have gone on know what we're doing or see us?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I don't know.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		You'd like to think that you're that important.
unidentified		Oh, yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I have a feeling they have more important stuff to do on the other side.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I guess if you're in heaven, you're not thinking about the mothership.
unidentified		Right.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Well, the mothership definitely is from her.
unidentified		Yes.
unidentified		Yes.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		I mean, that's an incredible tribute to her.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Well, the bar is named after her.
unidentified		Yeah.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		I've heard all the comics, I've heard Shane and Ian and all the guys talk about it after they came back.
		And.
		That's just an honor, man.
		Plus, you know, I used to say to people if you haven't taken something from watching Richard Pryor, you're probably doing it wrong.
unidentified		Right.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		And Mitzi made the greatest comedy mecca ever, and you got to copy what she did.
unidentified		100%.
unidentified		Yeah.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		Wow.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		And this is.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, she taught me everything about how to run a club, how to do it right.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Basically, kind of let the comedians run it, let the inmates run the asylum.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
unidentified		You know?
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, we're perfect inmates for that.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		And right now, the comedy store is greater than ever.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		That's awesome.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it's wonderful there because, you know, I even got Jay Leno to come back, you know, because he remembered the old days and hadn't gone back.
		And I'm like, dude, it's different.
		They.
		Pay you for coming.
		They split the door in a different way now, and there are phones in bags.
		I had to explain that concept.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		We had to encourage them to do all that.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that was your era.
unidentified		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Well, once we left, we started doing that at the mothership for all the shows, then other comedy clubs started falling.
		So it's the way to do it.
		People are too fucking distracted.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, and I think it frees us up in a way.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		I'll say things and try things and not worry about seeing them on YouTube when they're not ready or when I've made a mistake and gone too far and said something.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Oh, 100%.
		It's also, you have to be free to fuck around and experiment.
		And if someone takes that fucking around experiment, you don't know what's coming out of your mouth.
		Like right now, I don't know what's coming out of my mouth right before I say it, right?
		And people have to understand that.
		This is not like when you're on stage and you're working out.
		Like a lot of it is freeballing.
		You've got material that's like pre sort of established, and you've got the bones of it, but you're also fucking around in the moment.
		And sometimes you fuck around in the moment and it works, and sometimes you fuck around in the moment and it does nothing.
		It goes, or it's terrible.
		You said something awful.
		You're like, whoops, sorry.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, we make mistakes.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		You're just fucking creating something.
		And then stand up is the only art form that you have to kind of create in front of a crowd.
		You can't really do it.
		You can get ideas and the concepts and the flesh of it alone, but it comes alive in front of the crowd.
		You have to be able to fuck around.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, me and Chappelle, and you've done this kind of thing.
		Me and Chappelle met Chris Rock in Cleveland because Chappelle lives in Ohio, obviously.
		He's done something very similar to what you've done, but we'll get into that later.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, he's done something really cool.
unidentified		Incredible.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Basically, he took over a whole town.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, yeah.
unidentified		And it's funny.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		And especially had a really funny joke about it.
		About how when white people move into a neighborhood, it's called gentrification.
		And he goes, They don't have a word for what I'm doing to these motherfuckers.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it's crazy to be Dave Chappelle, the most important man in town.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		But Chris Rock was doing Cleveland, and we met him there.
		And that was the first time I saw the bags.
		And I was apprehensive.
		As a matter of fact, I saw a celebrity in LA who didn't want to put his phone in a bag, and so they had that motherfucker stay outside.
unidentified		You know?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, there's too many snitches in this world.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Too many people just want to film everything for the gram.
unidentified		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Like, stop.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, sometimes we're saying the wrong thing.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		Sometimes we're drunk.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, for sure, a lot.
unidentified		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, a lot.
		Dave loves to get lit and go on stage.
		But it's also like that's one of the ways he creates.
		Like, I've seen him do entire shows when he's just completely fucking around and he films everything.
		So then afterwards, he goes over it and he's like, Oh, there's a seed right there.
		Let me plant that seed.
unidentified		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		There's an idea there.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		And then, you know, it's how you come up with stuff.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		I never drink or smoke before going on stage, but I love to create it home.
		And the next day, because sometimes you can write something down and it'll be like, Blazer Budden Envelope.
		And the next day, you're like, I don't know what the fuck I thought was funny about that last night when I was smoking.
		But I like to smoke and create it home and then take it to the stage.
		But when I'm on stage, I've had bad experiences trying to do it high and saying, this will make me creative.
		I'll be like Hendrix of comedy.
		That's all wrong.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Your memory will go.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, your memory will go.
		One time I was at the Laugh Factory and I came off, and George Lopez said to me, Why you come off?
		And I said, I told you I'd do 20.
		And he says, You did five.
		I was in tonight show mode or some shit.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I got to clear something up.
		Speaking of, this has nothing to do with you, but I did a podcast last week with Theo Vaughn.
		And in it, there's like a video on the internet that's accusing me of lying about something.
		And what I said was that I was in the mountains of Utah when the Charlie Kirk thing was going down.
		What had actually happened was I was here doing a podcast with Charlie Sheen when the Charlie Kirk thing went down.
		We stopped and took a piss break, right?
		And that's when we found out about it, right?
		And then when I was in the mountains of Utah, that's when the Jimmy Kimmel thing was happening.
		When Jimmy Kimmel was getting in trouble, and I was getting all these messages, but I didn't have any service out there, so I had to hook up the Starlink in order to find out what was happening.
		When I did the podcast the other day, it seemed like I was saying that I was in the mountains when Charlie Kirk got shot.
		I probably was saying that.
		I was exhausted when I did that show last week.
		I did a show on Tuesday night at the club.
		And I have this thing that I do, unfortunately, where I come home and it's the only time that I get alone time is when everyone's asleep.
		And I stayed up way too late.
		I stayed up super late.
		Then I had to take my kid to school in the morning and I was like, I'll just power through.
		The problem when I do that, when I get no sleep, is my memory is dog shit.
		Like I have a really good memory and a terrible memory.
		It's really good a lot of the times.
		And then sometimes, especially when I'm tired, it's fucking terrible.
		It's like from doing thousands of podcasts, my memory is like a room.
		That's filled with boxes and files.
		And I don't know where the fuck everything is.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		See, as you were talking, the first thing, everything goes to sports for me.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		Some of our greatest home run hitters, they strike out a lot because they're swinging all the motherfucking time trying to get it to McCovey Cove or something.
unidentified		Of course.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		And I think that's how we are, well, not we, you especially right now.
		You're doing this constantly.
		You're talking to lots of people saying lots of things.
		And every now and then, there's going to be a swing and a miss.
unidentified		Let me.
unidentified		Explain that.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		But the real problem was sleepy.
		The real problem was not getting any sleep.
		And I'm not going to do that anymore because I keep doing it.
		I get home at 90.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		Have you had that problem before?
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		Like sleep deprivation and you get yourself into some.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I've had that problem before.
		Usually I can fix it with creatine.
		So creatine is a great supplement when you're tired.
		It really, there's been studies that show that creatine supplementation, especially like 10 to 20 grams, actually alleviates all of the problems that happen with sleep deprivation.
		In terms of cognitive function.
		But I've been, I just was doing some blood work.
		So when I knew that I was going to do my blood work, I didn't take any creatine for a month because I want to, because I'd read something about creatine possibly being bad for your kidneys.
		So I wanted to get a baseline, do it, and then do it again when I saw it.
		So I had this like strategy.
		But the point is, like, creatine.
		Yeah, my brain was foggy.
		And so for the people that like heard that and like, what is wrong with you?
		That's what I thought when I saw.
		Like, somebody put a video on the line.
		Why is he lying about this?
		I'm like, oh, I forgot.
		It wasn't a lie.
		It's just my brain sucks when I don't get sleep, and I'm not going to do that anymore.
		Because it's like when I get home at night, it's the only time I'm alone.
		It's like my only alone time.
		And even though I knew I had to get up in the morning and take my kid to school, I was like, I don't fucking care.
		I'm staying up.
		The problem with that is, like, when I have to do this the next day, I just don't function as good.
		I've done it.
		I've done it before, but I feel it the next day.
		Like, I can't recall things.
		My words don't come out as smooth.
		I don't have as much.
		My vocabulary is limited.
		It's like there's too many problems with it.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		So, I mean, two things that come through my mind.
		I can't answer that anymore.
		First of all, do guys with these arms do creatine?
		I mean, would it help me?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Oh, it's great for everybody.
		Yeah.
		Creatine is not just a supplement for muscles, creatine is actually a really good cognitive function supplement.
		It's actually a cognitive enhancing supplement.
		Yeah, there's a lot of research on that.
unidentified		Yeah.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		And the other thing that hit me is I was listening to you talk recently, and you talked about smoking herb and how it enhanced the weightlifting process.
unidentified		Yeah.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		What's that about?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		You feel it in your tissues, man.
		It's like you feel it's really good for coordination exercise.
		Like there's a lot of jujitsu guys who smoke weed.
		They smoke weed right before class, like get ripped, and then get a little bit of a high.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		So the Gracie's were high when I first started seeing her?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Not those guys.
unidentified		Okay.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Those guys don't do it, but a lot of guys do.
		I think one of the, I don't want to throw them under the bus, but one of the brothers was really into smoking weed and doing jujitsu, and arguably the best one.
		Definitely the best one.
		But a lot of jujitsu guys do it.
		And a lot of guys like to do it before kickboxing.
		You just feel your muscles more.
		You feel like your coordination more.
		You're more sensitive.
		It's weird.
		It's like instead of you being like abstract with your movements and, you know, just kind of like doing it.
		It's like you feel all the tissues, all the connections.
		When you lift weights, you're like, ugh.
		Like you feel all the fibers of all your shit moving.
		It's like, it just makes you more sensitive.
		It's such a misunderstood substance.
		Not for everybody.
		I really believe some people should not get high.
		I think for some people, it throws them off and sends them down a dark road, and it's just not comfortable.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		It causes them to procrastinate about their life and personal responsibilities.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		There's a lot of that.
		There's a lot of people that just wake and bake and just live in the cloud all day and never get anything done.
		Anything done?
		And then there's a lot of people that also get like super paranoid and they get anxiety and they freak out.
		And then there's people that there's a lot of connections to marijuana and psychosis or schizophrenic states.
		But the problem with that is, were they already like, did they already have a propensity towards schizophrenia and marijuana pushed them over the edge?
		Were they going to get it anyway?
		Like, it's hard to say.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		A lot of those guys on a diet, Coke would have problems.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, right.
unidentified		Right.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		There's a lot of guys just fucking red lights freaking out.
		There's people that just life is too hard for them and they don't need something else that fucks with it.
		You know, if you already have mental health struggles, probably shouldn't do mushrooms.
unidentified		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		If you're already fucked up, if there's already some things that you're like struggling to hang on to everyday life, yeah, you probably shouldn't do acid.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		You know what I mean?
unidentified		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		You should probably just.
		Just try to like keep your shit together.
		But that's not everybody.
		It's like alcohol.
		Like, alcohol is not for everybody.
		But some people can have a glass of wine at dinner and just start laughing.
		It's a nice social lubricant.
		Some people, they got one drink and then they're doing Coke and they're getting hookers and they're fucking driving on the freeway and ah, they're shooting at cops.
		They go crazy.
		Like, some people just can't handle alcohol.
		Doesn't mean it should be illegal.
		Like, that's crazy.
		And there's the same thing I feel with pot.
		Pot is super beneficial to a lot of people and has been for.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		Millions of years.
unidentified		Yeah.
unidentified		Who knows?
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		For me, that's my, like in the old days, you'd watch a television show and a guy would have a martini when he comes home.
unidentified		Yeah.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		I even talk about that in the book.
		When I come home, my girl has me a joint laid out on the counter, you know, and nice little raw papers.
		And that's my, that's daddy's cocktail.
unidentified		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		It's a nice one, too, because it doesn't fuck with your body.
		The problem with alcohol is, you know, it feels good while you're doing it, but then the next day, you're like, Oh, yeah.
		Your fucking head and your body's tired.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		I hear swelling, you know, and different kinds of things.
		And also, I'm from a home where my favorite person, my cousin, because I didn't have brothers and sisters, biological brothers and sisters.
		So when my cousin came to live with me, a male, he's a teenager, and he had a drinking problem.
		Like I would go inside my toy box and find scotch.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Oh, he would hide it?
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, he would hide it.
		He's parked in the garage when there were already two cars in the garage.
		You know, and I loved him, and he was hilarious, and he, in part, helped to make me who I am.
		A bad experience like that in your youth can make you a little bit leery about liquor.
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joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah.
		I had a friend of mine when I was in high school, and his cousin sold Coke, and I watched this guy fall apart.
		I watched him do cocaine constantly and fall apart.
		His life just went down the toilet, and I never touched cocaine because of that.
		I never did.
		I've still never done Coke.
		And I think that's why, because I watched his other life.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		So you've never tried a line?
unidentified		Never.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		That's heavy.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Not once.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		Because I had to try it to see what it smelled like.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I mean, I'm sure I'd like it.
		My friend Jimmy said, Don't do this.
		You'd love it.
		But he's probably right.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		But you also have a certain kind of discipline where I think you could do a line and say, Okay, I get it.
		But I love that you have the discipline to never try it.
		I don't have that kind of strength.
		I got to see what it's like once.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		The thing is, I don't know anybody who's had cocaine was really good for me.
		Doing cocaine was really good.
		When I started doing cocaine, my life just really changed.
		I really got clarity.
		I started focusing.
		I was nicer to people.
		I don't ever hear that story.
		Never.
		Not once.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		I did a little coke and then I was.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		I was president of Yale and I ran for.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I do hear people say that about speed, which is weird.
		You hear people say that about amphetamines, like especially Adderall, like how, oh my God, it makes me so productive.
		I get so much done.
		But it's generally, it's like journalists and people that have to write a lot.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		Students.
		I'm very curious about Adderall because I'm hearing so much and I'm thinking, like when I was doing the book, right?
		I'm like, would Adderall be good to focus me, to do for me what it does for students that I hear talk about it?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Probably, probably, but I don't.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		It's a pill, right?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		It scares me, though, because I know a lot of people with problems with it.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		It's a real catchy one.
unidentified		It gets you.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		And then you start leaning on it.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		So that's one of the downs it's extremely addicting.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Very addictive.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		But what's the other downside?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Well, I would imagine when you get off of it, you're exhausted.
		I would imagine whenever there's always some sort of a biological, you know, there's no free lunch, right?
		Anything that speeds you up is going to bring you down.
		Like, if you're ramping your body up where you're focusing for fucking 16 hours, just sitting in front of the typewriter, yeah.
		And that's why journalists like it.
		I would imagine the back end of it.
		You've done it, Jamie.
jamie vernon ▲ ● ▼		Only twice, because it kept me up for two days.
unidentified		See, that's what I'm talking about.
		Sounds like cold.
		That's it.
jamie vernon ▲ ● ▼		It's an amphetamine.
		So, yeah, I went to try to go to bed and was like, oh, well, this is.
		Isn't happening.
		So let's get up and see how.
		We're up all day.
unidentified		All right.
		Two days?
		Yeah.
jamie vernon ▲ ● ▼		I just had to call off work.
jamie vernon ▲ ● ▼		It wasn't good.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		And then you feel real dopey after it wears off, right?
jamie vernon ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
jamie vernon ▲ ● ▼		I didn't feel like I succeeded on anything that day.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Man, that is a fucking problem for me is like the lack of sleep thing.
		After this whole Charlie Kirk thing with this, what I was just talking about, I'm really going to concentrate a lot more on sleep.
		You can't fuck with that because it's like, especially me, it's like I need my brain to be functioning at its highest potential.
		Most of the time.
		Like, that's what you're doing, especially when I'm in here.
		I was talking to Theo Vaughn.
		I didn't think it would be that big of a deal.
		Theo's a comic.
		We're just going to be silly.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		The most recent one?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, the one I was just talking about.
		It would probably be good to be loopy, you know?
		Like, because, you know, the writers on news radio, they would stay up all night on purpose just to get loopy because they didn't really do any drugs.
		They just would use sleep deprivation to be silly.
		It was hilarious.
		Like, these guys would start writing at like 2 o'clock in the morning.
		Like, they would stay up, they would play video games, and they would start writing a script at like 2 o'clock in the morning.
		And then they would stumble in to, like, when we have a table read, they would stumble into the table read, like, just finishing the script.
		They would lay it out to us, they just got done printing it.
		And these guys would be fucking just completely out of it, hair all fucked up, barefoot.
		It was really funny the way they operated, but there was a method to their madness.
		And that method was the more tired you get, the more exhausted you get, you get into sleep deprivation, you get loopy.
		And you get silly and you start thinking silly things.
unidentified		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		And those guys, that's how they would use it.
		They would use that weird state of mind, that loopiness to write.
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arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		I need my sleep, man.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		If I have sleep, I can do anything.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I feel like they could have got there with weed without all the loopiness.
		You know, you want to get there?
		Like you can get there with weed and you don't have to stay up all night.
		You get it like right away.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, but weed ain't for everybody.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		It's not for everybody.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		It ain't for everybody.
		But yeah, I love having my sleep.
		As a matter of fact, that's the drug that's most important to me.
		Having an Ambien nearby.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		You like that?
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, a quarter, just a little bite of Ambien.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Just a little bite.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, we'll hook you up.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I knew a dude who would take that shit every day.
		He had to take it all the time.
		And then he was taking two.
		And he told me, like, dude, my house could be on fire, and I would have no idea.
		I'm like, that can't be good, but he needed it.
		It was the only way he could go to sleep.
		But he was also taking Adderall.
		So he was taking Adderall in the day, and then he was taking Ambient at night.
		Can't believe he's still alive.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that's too much.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, the Adderall fucked his life up, too.
unidentified		Woo.
unidentified		Yeah.
Ambien and the Out of It Friend 00:05:08
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		It's not, you know, I don't think you should rely on anything for sleep.
		For me, I just, I've never had a sleep problem, fortunately.
		I could go to sleep on a bag of rocks, I could just crash.
		It drives my wife nuts.
unidentified		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Because, like, if we're on a plane, the moment the plane takes off, I'm out cold.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I could just go to sleep.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		The bad thing about me is I can sleep best in places I shouldn't sleep, like church.
unidentified		Yeah.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		Or sitting, talking to my woman.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Church will make you sleepy.
		I don't know why.
		Why does church make you so sleepy?
unidentified		Or reading?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Reading will put you out.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		There are some audible books that are worse than Ambient.
unidentified		Right.
unidentified		You know.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Something about physically reading puts me out.
unidentified		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Just sitting there, like, looking at the pages, I just start nodding off.
unidentified		Yeah.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		I, I, um,.
		The Alchemist, I have been on page 12 for like a year and a half.
		You know, sit down on a plane and just read The Alchemist at the top of the page and I'm out.
unidentified		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		It's fiction for me that puts me out.
		Nonfiction doesn't really put me out.
		Nonfiction is more, like, I guess it's more stimulating because it's real, you know, because I'm reading about real things.
		Something about reading fiction is what puts me to sleep.
unidentified		Yeah.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		For me, it's just reading.
		I got to take out my license, you know, and look and see.
		Halfway through my name.
		Out.
		This is cool, man.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Not having sleep is got like a person that's got like legitimate insomnia.
		That's got to be the nuttiest fucking problem.
		Like, that's that movie, The Mechanic?
		No, The Machinist.
		Did you ever see that movie, The Machinist?
unidentified		No.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		Is that an action movie?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's the movie with Christian Bale.
		Christian Bale, where he lost an insane amount of weight.
		Like, Christian Bale's a Big guy.
		I think he got to like 130 something pounds.
unidentified		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		And the idea was that this guy was going completely insane because he couldn't sleep.
		And so he wasn't eating.
		And so he was just like up all the time, like out of it.
		And he, like, if you see what he looked like when he made that movie, it's like that's what he looked like in the movie.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		Oh, shit.
unidentified		Yeah.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		That looks like he's about to make a whole different movie.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		Like he was about to die.
		And then he went from that.
		And right afterwards, he did Batman.
		So he got super jacked.
		He went from that.
		And by the way, the movie sucks.
		So this guy wrecked his health for a movie that wasn't even good.
		And I mean, I wonder how good it could even be when your main guy is dying.
		Look at that image on the far right.
		The one that you just look at that.
		Look at the difference between that was like six months later.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		That can't be healthy.
unidentified		No.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Fucking terrible for you.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		It has to be terrible.
unidentified		Terrible.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		Do you like to act?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		No.
		I don't hate it.
		I don't like the process.
		I don't like waiting around all day.
		I don't like being on set.
		I don't like dealing with some actors are great.
		Some actors are just like all kinds of people.
unidentified		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Cops.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		There's a lot of cops that are awesome.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		Because I know you're at a point in your life when you could probably do anything you want, and I never see you pursuing any acting roles.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		No, I avoid them.
		Yeah.
		I've been offered some fun stuff, and I was like, I'm not going to Bulgaria for three months.
unidentified		Fuck that.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I'm just, it's not my thing.
		And if it was my thing, I'd be like, feel very fortunate, and I'd dive on it.
		I'd be like, oh my God.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		So when you look at something you've done and you're watching a role in dailies or, uh, At the premiere, you don't love what you see so much that you do more of it?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		It doesn't bother me.
		It's just not what I enjoy doing.
		Again, it's the process that's the problem.
		It's the 16 hour days.
		And it's being around actors because you're around people that need to think and need to talk in a very specific way because they're always worried they're going to be cast out of the kingdom.
		You know what I mean?
		So it's like this very disingenuous way of communicating.
		That's a lot of actors have, and it's just.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		And you always feel when you do something that this person's gonna be your friend for life.
		I'll see you next month, and you never see that fucker ever again.
		It's such a disingenuous environment.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Do you enjoy it?
unidentified		Do you enjoy acting?
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		I kinda like it, but at 70, I prefer to just be at home.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		You're 70.
unidentified		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		You look so good.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		Oh, thanks.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		That's kind of crazy that you're 70.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		And no creatine.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Imagine how good you'd look if you'd get creatine.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		I'm gonna get it.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		70, man.
		If you told me that you were 45, if I didn't know you, you told me you were 45, I'd believe you.
		That's nuts.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		That's a blessing.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Isn't that crazy?
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, yeah.
		And I'm happy.
		So that's unusual.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, right?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		A lot of people when they're 70, they're bitter and tired.
unidentified		Yeah.
Richard Pryor and First Condo Memories 00:02:56
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		I talk a little bit in the book about Richard Pryor coming to my first condo.
		I bought a condo so I could, I didn't have a car yet.
		And eventually I got one.
		But when I first came to LA, I wanted to be between the comedy store and the improv, so I could get to both.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Oh, right.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		So I bought me a condo and I told Richard Pryor that I got a condo.
		I don't know.
		It's one of those, I think I heard you and Shane talking about it, how you see your heroes.
		Now and then, and sometimes you just say the wrong shit.
		And I was expecting this to be the wrong shit, but it's all I could think of.
		And I said, Richard, I just bought a condo.
		And he said, Oh, wow, I'd like to see it.
		And I was like, Oh, okay.
		And him and Rashawn, his body man, came to see my condo.
		And that was the coolest thing in the world.
		But the one thing I remember, I remember I had no furniture, and Rashawn had told me, his guy had told me to get some kvassier.
		So I had some kvassier, you know, and we sat on the floor and drank kvassier and listened to a boombox with jazz on it and talked.
		And he looked around at one point and he said, This reminds me of when I was happy.
unidentified		Whoa.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		And I don't even have to tell you what went through my head and what I thought that meant.
		And I didn't listen to him then.
		That's the thing people disperse knowledge to us from their experiences, and sometimes we're too young and dumb to listen.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		What did that mean to you at the time when he said, This reminds me of when I was happy.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		You know, I was so excited that Richard Pryor came to see my condo.
		I didn't process it.
		But years later, I start realizing that he bought things and philosophies that made his life more complex.
		And he was happy.
		This is what I think it means.
		He was happy with the simple shit, you know?
		And sometimes, I mean, it's nice to have, isn't it cool to have money but still eat burgers if you want to?
		I mean, Because I remember walking through supermarkets and pretending I was shopping and eating out of the child cart, that little top part, and then leaving the supermarket.
		So it's nice to be able to buy anything we want.
		But at the same time, I get that thing of the simplicity and no guard gate.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Nobody's knocking down your door trying to get to you.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, just a contour with no furniture.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		And for a guy like that, for the greatest that I've ever known in our world, to say I was happy when I had a little place with no furniture, I didn't think about it enough then, but later I realized what he meant when I was in a house that was too big with guest houses.
unidentified		Yeah.
Business Manager Charges and Complexity 00:03:48
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		That would, you know, you walk into a guest house and cobwebs get on your face, you know, because you ain't been in there in a while and you realize, okay, This is what Richard was talking about.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		I'm doing a lot of shit for other people that I don't need.
unidentified		Right.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		And too much complexity.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		Too much complications.
		My business manager said something about my staff, and it dawned on me what the fuck do I have a staff for?
		You know, and I've simplified things a little bit in my life, and I'm really happy.
		It's just, you know, me and my woman and a scaled down life.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		That's better.
		Yeah.
		There's a lot of people that just want a lot of people around them because it makes them feel important.
		They have a big staff.
		They have a lot of people working for them, a lot of things going on, a lot of different projects.
		Keep moving, keep moving.
unidentified		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		But no peace.
unidentified		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		Not good.
		I always tell comedians, like, they're like, oh, I got to get an assistant.
		I go, no, you don't.
		Just do less shit.
		Don't get an assistant.
		You get an assistant, that person's going to want to kill you.
		That person's going to feel entitled.
		You're making all this money.
		They're not.
		You're famous.
		They're not.
		They see you for who you really are.
		They're following you.
		Fucking regular guy.
		Why has he got all this?
		Like David Spade's assistant duct taped him and tased him.
		Remember that?
unidentified		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Try to kill him.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		That's heavy, man.
		And I've heard that the people who work for us always hate us.
		I've always avoided.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		It's not always the case.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		They said, You know, your housekeeper hates you.
		And I'm like, No, she's been with me 22 years.
		She's like, That bitch hates you, man.
		And I don't want to believe that.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		It's not always the case, but it is often the case that.
		People that are around people that have so much, they feel like, why don't I have this?
		Like, I'm working for this person.
		Why am I not doing it?
		Why am I not rich?
		This person could just make me rich.
		It's weird.
		You know what I mean?
		Yeah.
		Like, that's not what the job is.
		The job is you're a gardener.
		Gardener doesn't make $5 million a year.
		Like, this is, you're kind of being crazy.
		And then you get people that take advantage of you where you get a bill and you're like, why does it cost this much?
		Like, this is kind of like, I have a friend who's very wealthy.
		He's a businessman and he goes over every fucking little thing that people charge him.
		He's always looking for, they're fucking trying to overcharge me.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		He signs his own checks.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		But he gets crazy when he thinks people are overcharging him.
		But I'm like, dude, you're almost 80 and you're worth a billion dollars.
		Like, why do you, why are you looking at like how much the car wash guy charges you?
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		This is crazy.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		Maybe that's why he has a billion.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Perhaps, I mean, he's a businessman, that's his thing, but what drives him nuts is this idea that people are overcharging him because he's wealthy.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I hate advantage of him.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		Joe, the craziest I ever went was I had a barber when I had hair, you know, and you know, a black barber is a skilled scientist, you know, because back then I had it fried, dyed, and laid to the side with three Adidas stripes over on the left.
		And, you know, my shit was intricate that year.
		And my business manager happened to be a business manager for two other entertainers.
		And he's also my friend.
		And one day he says, You know, that guy charges the three of you different prices.
		And I'm like, Get the fuck.
		So I found out that Johnny Gill was paying $100.
		I was paying $350.
		And that drives me crazy because basically, like you say, he was charging.
Johnny Gill Pricing Discrepancies 00:14:36
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		Based on who I am.
unidentified		Right.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, he, like, you can afford it.
unidentified		Yeah, yeah.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		And I had a friend who had more money than me, and he was charging him a crazy amount.
		It was like the rental of a rose.
		Crazy money.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, well, that's what comes with the territory.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		People just think you're not going to notice, they don't care, you know?
unidentified		Yeah.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		I guess.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Do you think you're happier now than you were when the Arsenio Hall show was at its peak?
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I think I'm happier now because with that peak comes a lot of pressure and a lot of work.
		And I'd be a liar to say I don't enjoy having the money without the other shit.
		You know, I did a good job of investing and making sure that when the lights went out, I was good.
		So, I love my life right now, man.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		More relaxed, less pressure.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		And being the OG, and pretty much your responsibility is just giving advice to a comic in the hallway.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		A lot of the young guys don't understand what you did because what your show was, like back in, I guess, when did it first come on the air?
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		What year?
		Probably coming to America was like 86, 87.
		I left New York and went and started the show.
		So 87, 88, sometime around in there.
		I'm bad with years.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		During that time and in the 90s, It changed the whole landscape of late night television.
		Like, completely changed it.
		Because late night television was stiff.
		You know, it was like, you have a fucking desk.
		The desk made no sense to me.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		I talk about the desk and how I got rid of it.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		It made no sense.
		But I was like, oh, finally, he got rid of the desk.
		Are we being lectured?
		Am I in the principal's office?
		Like, what is the fucking desk for?
		But when they first started doing that in the 1950s, if you went to work, you had a desk.
unidentified		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		You had to wear it.
		Die at a desk and they all smoke cigarettes while they're on the job.
		You know, you watch like the Johnny Carson show.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		During commercials, Johnny would go under his desk, get a cigarette.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		Well, they would often smoke on air.
		They would do it all the time back then.
		They all smoked cigarettes.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		How about planes?
		How about the fact that we could get on a plane to go to a gig and there was a row behind us where smoking began?
		Right.
		And I'm in the no smoking row and the bitch behind me got a cigar.
unidentified		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		And it was just flooding the entire cabin.
unidentified		Yes.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		You know, Dice used to have a joke about it.
		You're in a fucking tube.
		Where's the air going?
		Yeah.
		But it was a weird time.
		But the whole idea was what I was getting to is like late night television was very stiff.
		It was, you know, it was like.
		And then your show came around.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		Paul Anker wrote that.
unidentified		Did he?
unidentified		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Oh, wow.
		Your show came around and then all of a sudden it was fun and loose.
		And I remember when Clinton came on your show and Played the saxophone.
unidentified		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		And I mean, everybody was like, what is happening?
		The fucking president of the.
		Was he the president back then?
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		Was he wrong?
		He was a governor.
		And he was trying to get the young vote, so he did me.
		And then the next day, they decided to do MTV because I think what my show did that night was change how you run for the highest office in the land.
unidentified		And look at that.
unidentified		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Look at that.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		The joke I had just done was finally a Democrat blowing something other than the election.
		When you look, you remember jokes in the moment.
		And, dude, so what's interesting is after this, Presidential candidates realized they had to come to Rogan and Sunday morning to meet the press.
		You know, and I like that.
		You know, they have to go everywhere now.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Well, they go where the people are paying attention, right?
		But it was different because if they did the Tonight Show with Johnny Carson, it would be, you know, a very competent interview, but it would be stiff.
		It was like very, I mean, not even stiff is not the right word, it was traditional.
		It was like, this was different.
		Like him playing the saxophone, running for president, playing the saxophone.
		I was like, what is happening here?
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		And I tried to get, I told Jenna Bush this last week.
		I'm on this book slinging tour.
		And I told her, I said, I invited your grandpa.
		Because back then, there was a mentality that you do equal both sides, you know?
		And I don't think it was a rule, but first of all, my dad was a Republican, my mother was a Democrat.
		So, I was used to hearing both sides and learning both sides.
		And I thought the best thing I could do for young people is show them both sides.
		And that would be fair of me as a host.
		And we got a call from a man named Marlon Fitzwater who said, No fucking way we're coming there.
		You know, and I wonder why.
		It's almost like what you talk about with the desk.
		Society at a certain point is stiff and it takes certain people to loosen it up and make a change.
		And I think it was just, they're not used to it.
		It's like, why are they barking?
		And what is.
unidentified		Yeah, yeah, yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Things that make you go, hmm.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah, yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, there was a lot going on.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		I had a couple of hooks going.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Oh, you had a great hook.
		The things that make you go, hmm, everybody used that all day long.
		Like, if something weird was going on in the office, people are things that make you go, hmm.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		It was so cool.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		Then they wrote a song about it, and I would turn on TV and I would see.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Was that CNC Music Factory?
unidentified		Yes.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
unidentified		Yeah.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		And I would turn on TV, and like Nordstrom's would have a sale that makes you go, hmm.
		And I was like, that's very cool, you know.
		And it came about sitting with the writers, and I had done it at the comedy store, and he says, you know, we could use that and just throw any joke in there, like randos that we don't know where to put.
unidentified		Right.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		And so it really was a.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		A cheating technique for a comic.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, perfect non sequitur.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Just a transition.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		Every now and then, hey, why don't black women breastfeed chocolate milk?
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		And you have no place else to put that thought.
unidentified		Right.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		So it's a stream of things that make you go, hmm.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, yeah.
		Well, it was just finally there was a different kind of talk show.
		It was like finally there was a talk show that was more fun.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		Hey, the desk thing, my partner, And executive producer Marla Kel Brown.
		We were sitting around one day, and she said, After coming to America, I had done the Joan Rivers thing.
		I'd filled in for her for 11 weeks, and I think her husband committed suicide, and she was going through all that period, right?
		Conan's creating the Wilton North Report in the room that I leave, and I go to Paramount, and she says, I'm asking you one thing.
		She said, I watched you do stand up the other night at the comedy store.
		There is a freedom that you have that I would like you to have on the talk show, and I don't think we can have it with that desk between you and the guest.
		So I want you to just try without the desk.
		And I tried it without the desk and never went back.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, you changed it.
		I mean, like, and then George Lopez did No Desk when he did his show.
		A few people have tried the No Desk thing.
unidentified		Yeah.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		But for us, I think it's great.
		And you know what?
		I was able, like, somebody like Rosie Perez, who would be nervous, I'd hold her hand.
		And you can't reach across the desk and hold somebody's hand.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Well, also, the desk was always elevated.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		You want to be high.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		The desk is always above the guest.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		We must be higher, which is weird.
		Well, that's a bizarre.
		I don't know if that's the ego of the entertainer.
		Or whether that's some ass kissing prop set designer move, because we always wanted to be higher.
		And I remember they put something under my seat.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		So make your seat higher?
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, so I'm sitting even with Kareem, which is bullshit.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it's a weird thing.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		It's like, why would the host be above movie stars and rock stars?
unidentified		Why?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		That doesn't make any sense at all.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, unless your host is David Bowie.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, right?
		Unless he decides to do a talk show.
		Even then, it doesn't make any sense.
		It's like, if you want to have a conversation, the way you did it was the best way to do it.
		Just be sitting there.
unidentified		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Sitting with each other, you know?
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		And now.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		You can lean in.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		You could touch the person.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		Now, we have a different era where everyone can do talk.
		I saw Mike Epps talking.
		On his back from his bed the other day, holding his phone above him.
		And that's when it hit me.
		It's like, now we have a hard time finding a guest that doesn't have a show.
		Right.
		Anyone can have a show now.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		And that's kind of cool.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		It is kind of cool.
		And it's just like, and you find your own, as long as you do it long enough and you put the right attention to it and do it honestly, you'll find your own lane.
		You'll find your own way of doing things.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		I have friends who have children who have shows.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		Makeup tutorials and successful things going on in their bedroom.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		One of the biggest shows on YouTube for a long time was a kid that was like unboxing toys.
unidentified		Oh, that's cool.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		And it was sort of, but then they started monetizing it.
		And I think, you know, as soon as your parents start making all that money off of you opening toy boxes, shit gets weird.
		It's weird for kids to get famous, period.
		But it was just like no one had thought that out, like that there would be a lot of people that were interested in you watching toys.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		There's a lot of shows that I watch on YouTube that it's just people cooking.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I love watching people cook.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		I watch a lady cook with big titties and just an apron.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		You know, side boobage be coming out.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		That's a trick.
unidentified		She's tricking you.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I like watching people cook with no talking.
		It's just ASMR.
		You know, just they're like chopping up the food and you hear the sizzle in the pan.
		I don't know why I like it.
		I love watching people do things.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		Isn't it amazing that you're younger than I am, but.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		When I was growing up in Cleveland, we had three channels.
unidentified		Right?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I remember those days.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, and the shit signed off at two.
unidentified		Right.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, you do that, And you fall asleep watching TV, and that would wake you up.
		Yeah, because it would be just crackling.
		Like, oh, geez, I stayed up too late.
unidentified		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		You'd have to shut it off after the American flag.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Because the American flag would wave on the TV, right?
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, there would be a match fade from a soldier to the American flag.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, and then it would just go static at two in the morning.
		And then I remember when Fox came out.
		And everybody's like, this channel is crazy.
unidentified		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Foxes, they have The Simpsons and Marriott.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		It changed my life, man.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		Those, Tracy Allman.
unidentified		Mm hmm.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		And then, of course.
		They discovered that they could get numbers with me and Living Color.
		And Fox was really important to us.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Fox was important to America.
		I mean, it was a looser, wilder network.
		It was like a network that was a little crazier.
		They were doing things, they were getting nuts.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		And they had to.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		They had to take some chances and roll the dice in a different way.
unidentified		Right.
unidentified		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		And then cable came along.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		It was like the slow descent into madness.
unidentified		Yeah.
unidentified		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		And then all of a sudden you have 150 channels, and now you have like, Literally, an infinite number of channels because of streaming and YouTube.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		It's like you can never run out of things to look at.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		Which is crazy because I turn a lot and I'm like, yo, motherfucker, they got two million stations and you channel chasing?
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		You can't find something?
unidentified		But.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		I'm a big YouTube guy because I don't like commercials.
		I want what I want and I want it in small increments.
		I actually, as a 70 year old, fit more into this culture than I did the culture I was born into.
		I like things for three minutes.
		It's fucked me up too.
		I don't want long shit.
		I want quick shit.
		And I'm jumping around.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Well, when I'm watching TV, I'm generally trying to check out, or I'm trying to be educated.
		So either I'm watching some.
		Like particle physicists talk about the way they find new particles by using particle colliders and large hadron colliders and the amount of energy required to duplicate the conditions that happened right after the Big Bang.
		I watch a lot of that shit and then I just watch people play pool.
		I watch people play pool and I watch people make furniture and people cook.
		I'm just trying to unwind.
		I was trying to relax.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		But that's so heavy.
		I heard you and Kat talking about the pyramids.
		And as a matter of fact, it was part of the reason I was afraid to come here.
		Because I've heard you talk about the re explosion of.
		It's just when you hear that kind of shit and you're like, I don't want to be here.
		It's like, pussy, crazy, huh?
		I don't want to be that guy.
		So it's intimidating to watch intelligent people have an exchange and say, I got to go there.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Is it?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		You don't want to be the first idiot in the room.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		Nobody wants to.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Oh, you definitely wouldn't be the first idiot on this show.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		And you're not an idiot anyway, but there's been plenty of really fucking dumb people on this show that were great.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		But do you know somebody that is really intelligent?
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		And conversation with them is intimidating.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Oh, sure.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		So I was afraid of this room.
Two Party System Compromises 00:06:10
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		I mean, I know people like Bill Clinton.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		The first time I sat and talked to Bill Clinton, not on the air, or the second time, I guess I should say, it was kind of daunting because he, no matter what your politics is, he's a really smart guy.
unidentified		Yeah.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		Cat Williams is the same way.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		That motherfucker reads a lot more books than I read.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Well, Cat's brilliant.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I mean, you can't be that funny and not be very intelligent.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		It's the reason Bill Cosby was so funny.
		He was a bright man.
		Uh oh.
unidentified		Uh oh.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		That's a problematic subject.
		Also, Bill Clinton.
		I wish Bill Clinton didn't have so many problems because I would like to talk to him.
		I would love to sit down with him on a podcast.
		The problem is how do you sit down and not talk about all the chaos and all the nutty shit and the Epstein files and all the other shit?
		You kind of almost have to talk about it.
		It's too bad because I think he's a fascinating person.
		And I think.
		He's one of the greatest presidents of all time, for sure.
		And if you go back and look at what he accomplished during his administration, they balanced the budget.
		It was like one of the first times in the history of this fucking country that we didn't have a gigantic debt.
		Now our debt's like $39 trillion.
		It's crazy.
		Everybody's so bad at balancing the budget.
		And you go back and listen to him talk when he was running for president, he's like super sensible.
		Like everything he said made sense.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		And didn't he move a little to the right?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Well, I mean, it wasn't to the right.
		It was just sensible.
		Like, what is to the right and what is to the left?
unidentified		It doesn't mean anything to the left.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		It's accepting that a lot of things are valuable that are not a part of your party's philosophy.
		I think we have to be willing to compromise and move a little bit.
		And that goes for all politicians.
		We have to be able to move a little bit to be logical and serve all of America.
unidentified		For sure.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		But I think the problem is parties all have to agree.
		And then they form ideologies that you cannot stray from.
		So if you're one of those people that says, like, hey, maybe an open border is a bad idea because terrorists can come through, like, oh, no, no one's illegal on stolen land.
		Everybody gets crazy because there's a party line that you have to stick with.
		This is today.
		Today, things are incredibly polarizing.
		But if you go back and listen to some of the things that Clinton was saying when he was running for president and when he was president, boy, these are like almost right wing talking points.
		In a lot of ways.
		But they're not.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		But it's not really right wing.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		But it's not really right wing.
		It's just sensible.
		Like, what is right and what is left?
		Left used to be, first of all, freedom of speech was of paramount importance.
		It used to be that they were very open minded.
		It used to be like the.
		That education was of crucial importance and that discourse was crucially important and that you have to look out for citizens in the sense of like having social safety nets and having.
		Welfare programs and food stamps and all those things are which are really important for a society because not everybody is in the same position in life.
		And if we're a community of people, which is what a country is supposed to be, you're supposed to look out for everyone.
		You know, that's sensible.
		That's what the left used to be.
		And then it became trans women are women.
		Men can get pregnant.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		And by the way, when you deal with left and right, you have to almost attach a year because we've seen parties change.
		Always reminded that the Democratic Party was the party of the Klan if you go far enough back.
		So I'm a Republican.
		I have to look at it all.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		But wasn't Lincoln a Republican?
		I believe Lincoln was a Republican.
		I think the Republicans were the ones who were trying to abolish slavery.
		There's a lot of weird things that shift back and forth, and that you think of right wing and left wing in today's standards.
		Like, we were playing a clip of Hillary Clinton the other day when she was running for president.
		I think it was 2008 or 2012?
unidentified		Eight.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		When she was running for president, she's like, if you're here illegal from another country, you should have to pay a stiff penalty.
		You should have to learn English, and if you have any criminal history whatsoever, no questions asked.
		You get out of the country.
		And everyone was cheering.
		The lady's MAGA.
		That sounds completely MAGA.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		That's why I say when you deal with Democrat, Republican, you have to attach a year because it's evolved and changed many times.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Well, it's all you're just being manipulated.
		And you've been manipulated by these two teams, and you have to pick a team.
		You have to decide which team you want.
unidentified		I hate that.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		It's so stupid.
		I'm politically homeless.
		I've always been politically homeless for a long fucking time.
		Neither one of them makes any sense to me.
		We need a logical, centrist government that just says there's a lot of things that we should do to make this country a better place.
		We can do these things and we don't have to attach them to left or right.
		Anything that the left says that's logical, the people on the right immediately dismiss it because it's coming from the left.
		That happens the same where the left does it to the people on the right.
		It's dumb.
		It's a team thing.
		It's like the Dolphins versus the Raiders.
		You pick a fucking team and you lay that team aside.
unidentified		What a horrible game, by the way.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		You pick a team and your team rules, and the other team sucks.
		And there's a lot of people out there that are not that open minded and they love a good, rigid ideology that they could adhere to.
		So now I don't have to think for myself.
		I have a predetermined pattern of opinions that I could just adopt, and I'll just accept those.
		And that's how I think, and that's what I'm going to argue with.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		When I was young, I used to, in some jokes, say my heart is Democratic, but my wallet is Republican.
Corporate Money Politics and Fighting Back 00:11:00
unidentified		Yeah.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		But it's not even that simple anymore.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		It's gotten much more complicated.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, much, much more complicated.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		It's like everyone should be anti fraud, whether you're on the left or on the right.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		Or unless you're committing fraud, then I'm pro me.
unidentified		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Well, I think a lot of people that are certainly benefiting from fraud would like to dismiss it.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Whether it's the left or the right.
unidentified		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		There's like, we have a problem in this country where we have a two party system.
		Two party systems are inherently flawed because there's no fucking way that one side is going to represent you entirely.
		And it's much more likely if you have like five, 10, 15 different parties that are all legitimate because we don't have another legitimate party.
		If you vote for libertarian and I've voted libertarian before, you're basically saying, fuck these people.
		You know, fuck these people.
		I'm voting.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		You're jacking up the Dolphin Raider game.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
unidentified		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I'm voting for rugby.
unidentified		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		That's what you're basically saying.
		You're like, I can't get behind either one of these motherfuckers, so I'm going to vote for this guy who has no chance.
		You know?
		And I've done that before.
		I did that with Joe Jorgensen.
		I did that with Gary Johnson.
		I voted for both of them.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		But why do you think we've not been able to come up with legitimate third, fourth, and fifth parties?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Well, they got it locked down.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		They've got it locked down.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		It's with donations and money?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it's money.
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		Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
		It's not good.
		It's not good.
		Money in politics is the real problem.
		You know, it should, you know, the whole thing, it's a mess.
		And then you find out how much money politicians make.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		While TSA guys have nothing.
unidentified		Yeah.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		And politicians are still getting a motherfucking check?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yes, exactly.
		Well, I felt that way also about the lockdowns in California.
		I was like, all these people that are saying that you should have no outdoor dining, your paycheck should be entirely dependent on the GDP of your city.
		And if your city starts suffering, you should fucking suffer.
		And I guarantee you want those businesses to open right the fuck back up because it didn't make any sense.
		They were doing things for optics only.
		And they were doing things because they like control.
		People love control.
		They love it.
		And once you give them power over people, they're in the control business.
		They like to keep that control.
		And it just gets gross.
		And they don't have any, there's no repercussions.
		They don't get in trouble.
		If all these, like, California loves it.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		Somebody should be in trouble for the Epstein Fouts.
unidentified		Somebody.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		At least one person, please?
unidentified		Yes.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		It's crazy that we're sitting around looking at that.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		It's crazy.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		And we know it and we say it, but ain't a motherfucking thing we can do about it.
unidentified		Right.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Right now, there's some talk about journalists getting in trouble for leaking information about the downed pilot and that they want to prosecute these journalists.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		At the same time, no one's being prosecuted for the Epstein files.
unidentified		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		That's nuts.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		That's a sick society.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		As a kid, I did magic, right?
		And there's a thing in magic.
		If I take a coin and put it in this hand, there's a thing called misdirection.
		That's what I just did to you.
		You looked at that hand, I'm doing some shit right here.
unidentified		Right.
unidentified		That's.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		The story of American politics.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah.
		Whenever something weird's going on.
		Look, when Monica Lewinsky, when Bill Clinton got caught with Monica Lewinsky, they mean to start bombing some other countries.
		They're like, we've got to distract these people.
		This is just too complicated.
unidentified		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Look, the Epstein files come out, we go to war with Iran.
		It's a good way to get people to stop talking about certain things.
		You give them a new problem to think about.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		Hey, this morning I wake up in a very nice hotel, thanks to you.
		Breakfast was paid for, the tip was done, all that shit.
		It was kind of cool.
		And I was nervous and I'm thinking, I'm nervous.
		To go see my guy and talk, which is insane.
		But then, you know, sometimes you try to focus on why you're really nervous.
		Why am I so nervous?
		And I realized it wasn't just coming here.
		I had watched about a half hour of news and it was making my stomach hurt.
unidentified		Yeah.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		Because I feel so sad on a lot of levels.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		And anxiety.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		Yes, yes.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		News just gives me anxiety.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		But I gotta, as a comic, I gotta watch because I gotta know everything.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		I gotta have that mental Rolodex loaded for crowd work or whatever.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		You have to know what's going on in the world, unfortunately.
		If I wasn't a comic, I would have no social media.
		I would never consume the news.
		I would just hide.
		I would just go to a peaceful place.
		I'd probably have a place in the mountains somewhere and just fucking chill.
		I would not want to have anything to do with any of this bullshit that's going on in the world.
		And I know a lot of people say, oh, you have to participate and this and that.
		Man, yeah, I guess.
		But I don't think your participation is having the kind of effect that you'd like it to have.
		I think it's having an effect on the way you think and feel.
		Much more, like a disproportionate effect on your mental health and your anxiety levels, and all these different things that you cannot control by paying attention to it.
		You can't control what these fucking people are doing.
		And it just drives you nuts.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		It's frustrating because we realize, I mean, you and I are both millionaires, you a lot more than me.
unidentified		But.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		At the same time, we realize we don't have enough money to really affect it.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		I mean, you.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		You can affect some things, I guess.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, now that I think about it.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I don't want to.
		I don't want to affect.
		If I can affect things in a positive way, I can.
		Yeah, I mean, there's some things that I'd like to do.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		You can affect things by dispersing information of candidates and helping to inform people.
		But that kind of money that you have to have to have a dinner in Malibu and later.
		Get some shit done that you want to get done because the president is your guy now?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		Or girl?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		It's very complicated.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		And that kind of complication comes with a lot of scrutiny and a lot of weirdness.
		And also, you don't really know these people.
		You support people for running for president or governor or mayor or whatever.
		How much do you know them?
		Are you really sure?
		Is there no good option?
		So you go with the least evil option?
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		Well, a lot of us do that.
		And that's really painful.
		To think that the lesser of two evils is a horrible thing as a philosophy for a place we raise our children.
unidentified		Right.
unidentified		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		There's no one person that really comes along.
		We're like, finally.
		Like a peaceful, God loving person who's just looking out for everybody's best interest who really only wants to do this because they think they can affect change.
		And then once they do try to affect change, they get fucking shot because nobody really wants that because they're all making money.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		When we were coming up, remember the Sam Kennison bit?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Which bit?
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		I think it was very similar to that.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		People who have an idea, we kill them.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Oh, that was Bill Hicks.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		Oh, it was Hicks.
unidentified		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, yeah, yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Hicks had a great bit about that.
unidentified		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		And it's totally true.
		I mean, anybody that really wants to rock the apple cart, like that person's a problem, you know?
		And all these people that are making, all these sociopaths that are making fucking billions of dollars just being cunts, they do not want you coming along and waking people up to that and saying, hey, we should put a stop to all this.
		We should, you know, We should stop these people from making like that's why people cheered when that guy got shot.
		The United Healthcare guy, he got shot.
		People were happy, they were happy.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		Like, finally, at first, I thought it was, I thought homie who shot him, I thought it was his eyebrows, you know, because women were going crazy.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		You know, he's a hot guy, yeah, he's a good looking guy, too.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		It was like perfect guy to be like a martyr, like an assassin.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		But by the way, have you noticed throughout history, good looking people get treated differently when it comes to the justice system?
		They've done experimental trials where the hot guy gets off.
		For murder, easy.
		Because 11 women were cool with it.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Well, women are weird with killers.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		When guys are even serial killers, when they go to jail, women always get great letters, proposals.
unidentified		Weird.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		Marry me.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, even like Richard Ramirez was getting all these proposals while he was in jail.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		But the ultimate game for a woman is to be married but not have to live with that motherfucker.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		So that might be kind of cool.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Kind of.
		I don't know what it is.
		I heard someone talk about that, saying that there's women that like men that are capable of killing.
		Because back in the day, it was if someone was, if you needed someone to protect you, you didn't want someone that would hesitate if they were going to kill someone.
		You wanted someone who has experience killing people.
		So it's almost like an attractive trait that someone's willing to cross that terrible line and just has no problem murdering people.
		And if they like you, they won't murder you, but they'll murder other people.
		Like anybody that's a problem.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		I knew a girl who went out with a couple friends of mine.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		And her MO was to do something publicly that would make the man whip somebody's ass to defend her honor or something.
unidentified		Oh.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		And she, because that made her feel better.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		That's a crazy bitch.
		I've been around people like that before.
		I always got rid of them real quick.
		I've had a few ladies like that.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		You gonna let him say that to me?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		You know, I'd be like, why'd you say that to him?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Don't get me involved in this stupid shit.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		But it's hard, man.
Saturday Morning Corporate Dances 00:15:12
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		I was in a club as a young man on Sunset.
		Left the comedy store, went down the street to a place called Carlos and Charlie's.
		And back then they had.
		This garment called a tube top.
		It was just an elastic piece about eight inches, depending on your breast.
		And I watched a dude take his finger and just pull the girl's tube top down, titties fell out.
		And I'm watching her man.
		He didn't know what to do, you know, because you don't want to fight these guys.
		You almost want to just say, baby, just put up your top, let's go home.
		But he had to fight.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		And in that situation, I think you have to fight.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		You just definitely shouldn't be there in the first place.
		That's the problem with going to clubs.
		You're at the wrong club.
		Running into the potential psychopath is just too, like, that's where they go.
		Where people act like cunts, that's where they go.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		When is the last time you went to a club?
unidentified		I never go to clubs.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		It's been a long time for me.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		I mean, there is no club for 70 year olds.
unidentified		No, no, no.
unidentified		That's called ARP.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Well, if you do go, it's sad.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, you don't want to be the oldest.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Go out to the bar.
unidentified		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Hey, ladies.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		What is fucking grandpa doing here?
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		But do kids dance now?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		That's a good question.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		My son has.
		Like, I remember a time when you say, I'm doing the Cabbage Patch now.
		You know, it's like you knew what the latest dance was.
		My son never dances.
		I've taken him to New Year's Eve parties.
		He never, during the slow record, says to a girl, You want to dance.
		You know, you go out and slow dance.
		What happened to that shit?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		That's true, right?
		Well, because clubs got associated with violence.
		Like, clubs get associated with people getting drunk, they're doing drugs and chaos and people getting shot, you know?
unidentified		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		There's just too much of that going on.
		You hear about that at concerts, too.
		But yeah, you're right.
		There's no new dances, there's no things that you have to learn.
unidentified		You know?
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		But you know what's replaced it?
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		Maybe the entire family on TikTok.
unidentified		Right.
jamie vernon ▲ ● ▼		TikTok has definitely got dances that you've got to learn.
unidentified		Oh, really?
jamie vernon ▲ ● ▼		That's all it is.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Oh, really?
unidentified		Yeah, yeah.
jamie vernon ▲ ● ▼		I mean, for people that are.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Right, that's where the dances are.
		That's where the dances are.
		They're not going to clubs.
		They're just doing.
jamie vernon ▲ ● ▼		This one song just got viral again because they're dancing The Freak on a Leash.
jamie vernon ▲ ● ▼		It's a 25 year old song that has got a dance to it.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		What's the dance?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Show me the dance.
jamie vernon ▲ ● ▼		Couldn't even begin to start it.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Get up here and do it.
jamie vernon ▲ ● ▼		I can show you the video.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		You do it.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		You've been practicing?
unidentified		No.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		I used to.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Show me the video.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		What's the corn dance?
jamie vernon ▲ ● ▼		In my head, you're like, get up and do it.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Do we have to not play the music?
jamie vernon ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, probably not play the music.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		So, this is the dance?
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		See, it's a new day.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		You don't go to a club, you do it with your girl at the club.
jamie vernon ▲ ● ▼		I think they made it back on Billboard because, you know, like the song is.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Oh, that's hilarious.
jamie vernon ▲ ● ▼		It's got so many plays on it.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		That's hilarious.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		1998.
jamie vernon ▲ ● ▼		That's old.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Wow, that's crazy.
jamie vernon ▲ ● ▼		So, I don't know.
		And then, to contrast, this is the club in Austin where everybody goes.
		They're not necessarily doing those.
		Dances.
unidentified		What club is this?
jamie vernon ▲ ● ▼		This is called the Concourse.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		Oh, see, I can't go to a club with no shirt on.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		And what do they do here?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Like DJs.
jamie vernon ▲ ● ▼		Oh, DJs.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		So they just bounce around.
jamie vernon ▲ ● ▼		Bunch of lasers.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, this is like a jazzy Jeff concert.
unidentified		Yeah.
unidentified		Jazzy Jeff.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, they just bounce around.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		They're all in ecstasy.
jamie vernon ▲ ● ▼		Everybody stares at the DJ stage like they're performing music.
unidentified		How weird.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Man, this is a sign of a sick culture.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Not that there's anything wrong with that.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		A different culture.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		But that there's no other thing.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		There's no like people dancing, you know?
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		In the old days.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Like, if you go back and you watch like nightclubs from like the 1960s and 70s, what was everybody like in the disco days, right?
unidentified		Yeah.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		That's perfect.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		When Trump was singing, burn this mother down, right?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
unidentified		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		People were dancing.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Well, I remember when I was a kid, Saturday Night Fever, rather, came out.
unidentified		Ooh.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		And that's when everybody wanted to learn how to dance because John Travolta, he could fucking dance and they would have dance offs.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		And black people were saying, We got to step up the game if this boy can do that.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Right.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		You know, so we had to get better.
unidentified		Right.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		And then you had Soul Train, right?
		Saturday morning.
		Saturday morning was dancing on TV.
unidentified		Yes.
unidentified		Yeah.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		Saturday morning was, that was life for me.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		There's no shows where there's like a bunch of people performing music on TV anymore.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's the gap between me and you as talkers.
		One of the problems I had, and I talk in the book about this, I love music, and I grew up wanting to do that show.
		So, when they start telling me, you know, you can get better numbers with Howie Mandel just talking than you can with this, because I put boys to men and the temptations together once.
		I had to fly boys to men from Philly.
		I had, you know, and they wanted it less black.
		And now I got 14 brothers doing choreography, you know, and it's like, no, that's not what I wanted.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		They wanted it less black?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Well, they would say shit like that to you?
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah.
		They wanted, this is the carrot.
		They said, we know Johnny's going to leave one day.
		You know, you always think it's going to be two years.
		So you can inherit his audience if you do the right show.
		But I, Joe, I used to do the talk show in my basement, man, and we put on a Temptations record.
		And my friend Junior would be my guest, and he would sing Get Ready on Soul Train.
		They lip sync.
		We knew the microphones weren't plugged in.
		And so he would sing, and then I'd interview him.
		I wanted to do that show.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		You were doing that when you were young?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		How old were you when you were doing that?
unidentified		11.
unidentified		Really?
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, my mother would have rent parties, and so she'd rent these card tables and chairs.
		And the people, like in LA, we call it town and country, right?
		You can rent stuff for your party.
		So the next day, they come and pick up the stuff in the truck.
		But before they'd pick it up, I would do a talk show with that stuff.
		And I dreamed of everything that I did eventually in my life.
unidentified		Wow.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		And it was the show I wanted to do.
		So at a certain point, when they say, Does Prince need a purple piano?
		I said, Yeah, he wants a purple piano.
		And the show I was doing was just too expensive.
		And you and I talked once at the Ice House when I tried to do the reboot show.
unidentified		Yeah.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		And I was telling you how complicated it was.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		Twitter site, they took your.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I was telling people, they took over your fucking social media and they wouldn't give it back.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it was hard to get back.
unidentified		That's crazy.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I remember you telling me that.
		We were standing outside the outside area of the Ice House and you were like, I can't get my fucking social media back.
		I'm like, that's crazy.
		They took your social media.
unidentified		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		And they would use it to promote other shows.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely.
		And the end of that reboot experience didn't go down exactly the way I wanted to.
		Like, I got picked up first and Jay Leno came out and read a letter from Les Moonvez that I was picked up for a second season.
		And then we start talking about the second season.
		And here's the great thing.
		They wanted you really got to stop doing the music.
		As a matter of fact, how about No House Band?
		And this interesting one, but economically speaking, Joe, when I look at it, they wanted me to do Joe Rogan before there was a Joe Rogan.
		They just want you to talk to people and stop.
		I watched Fallon with Will Smith one night, and Will Smith rode in on a horse.
		And I'm like, that's expensive.
		They wanted me to do what we're doing right now because this is cheaper to do.
		I would love for us to have a hip hop star here right now following me.
		But this is economically sound.
		It's a new day.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Right.
		So that's all it was?
		It was just a money thing?
		They just.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		Well, that was the reboot show.
		The first show, you know, if they want me to be in the position to inherit Johnny's audience, because that's.
		They wanted me and themselves to make more money, a lot of money, keep making money.
		And I was kind of kicking the bag because.
		I had wanted to do this show since I was a kid.
		I couldn't imagine.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		But meanwhile, the thing is, your show was so popular.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		And by the way, they got numbers one night when Whitney didn't sing.
		She just came on.
		And that was the kiss of death in my morning meetings because they were like, look, Whitney sang nothing.
		And look at the numbers.
		So they were shooting for the Joe Rogan experience before there wasn't experience.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Fucking people concentrate on the numbers.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		It's like you're missing the tree.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		You got to, Joe.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		Sometimes it's really important for me to look back and say, I love that show that I did, and I don't regret a moment of it, but I get a corporate organization saying we can make more money and we can get more people in.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, if I was a corporate, I would be a terrible corporate executive, by the way.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		Because you would leave it with your heart.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I would say, just be you.
		Just have fun.
		And whatever ads we get, we get.
		Whatever money we get, we get.
		And that's good.
		You get plenty, it'll be fine.
		You can't, you gotta let it.
		I feel like every show has to be a unique expression of the person that's hosting it and what they're trying to do.
		Like, let that person be free.
		Like, can you imagine if Quentin Tarantino had a sit down with a group of people?
		That were executives before he wrote a script.
		You would never get any of these fucking chaotic, crazy movies.
		They'd be like, no, you can't bash a woman's head on a mantelpiece.
unidentified		That's nuts.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Like, don't do that.
		No, you can't, you know, like in Jackie Brown.
		No, you can't fucking shoot that girl in the parking lot.
		That's nuts.
		You can't do that.
		You can't do any of these things.
		You've got to let someone just be free.
		And then it finds its audience.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		I remember when Ice T came on to explain Cop Killer and his way of explaining.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		By the way, yeah, yeah, and it was a metal band, yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		People don't realize that, like Ice T, people forgot Body Count was a metal band, yeah.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		You gotta search that, yo, right?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		A lot of people don't even know that he did that.
		You think of Ice T, you think of Six in the Morning, you think of you know, Hustler, you think of all those classic songs, colors, you think of that, you don't think of Body Count, which is like Ice T reinvented himself, and he was like, I always love this kind of music, you can't tell me what the fuck I do.
		I like this kind of music too.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		Amazing career.
unidentified		I know.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		And now he plays a cop for like 25 years.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		How about that for irony?
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		I knew him when he was a pimp.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		And now he's a cop.
unidentified		That's crazy.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		We remember when he was in Pimps Up, Hose Down?
unidentified		Yeah.
unidentified		Absolutely.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		He was in that too.
unidentified		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I mean, he was talking about the pimp game.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		It's hilarious.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		He came on.
		By the way, they didn't want me to do that, you know, book him.
		But I thought it was cool to expose America to some conversations they might not hear normally.
unidentified		Right.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		And the more power I got, the more I tried to push that envelope and do those things.
		He compared it to Schwarzenegger.
		He says, You don't think he's really the Terminator, right?
unidentified		Yeah.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		And he says, I'm not a cop killer, but there's a message through this character.
unidentified		Right.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		And I'm paraphrasing, but it was nice to hear people who I know.
		I would talk to Tupac.
		And I would say, say that on the air.
		You got to talk about that on the air.
		And that was, we didn't have Twitter.
		We didn't have the bluebird.
		I was kind of the blackbird.
		And I was able to have these, like Tupac called me once and he says, man, they want me to take an AIDS test before I do this movie.
		And unless I'm really going to fuck Janet, I don't think I should have to take an AIDS test.
		And I'm like, please don't say anymore.
		Just come on the show.
		And this fit into both categories.
		Come on the show.
		Don't do any music.
		Just sit and talk.
		And.
		Those nights would do really good.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Of course.
		Of course.
		Because people want to hear people really talk.
		Especially in those weird settings where most of the time when people were coming on talk shows, they would just have this very canned, sort of pre programmed thing that they would talk about.
		They would talk about their character and the way they were talking.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		People don't know we have pre interviews, which you don't have in a show like this, but I get a card that morning.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		It's like, okay, here's what Jackie Collins would like to talk about.
unidentified		Right.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		Or, Or Nicole Kidman has requested that you don't mention Tom Cruise.
		And I'm like, well, tell Nicole the only reason that bitch is here is because I think Tom Cruise is going to walk out.
		You know?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		And oh, it was crazy back then.
unidentified		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Well, it was all PR people.
		And it's again, you're dealing with too many different people that are peripheral people where all their money is dependent on this one person performing.
		So they just want to make sure they make the maximum amount of money possible.
		Like, don't make any ripples, don't cause any waves, don't cause any problems.
		Just go out there and smile and we'll sell more records, we'll sell more movies, TV show will get better ratings.
		Don't mess it up.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, guys like Prince used to be frustrated with the fact that if something's a hit, can you give us something like that again?
		How many beats per second is that?
		Give us that again.
		Or any big artist, it's like we want more of waterfalls.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, yeah.
		Yeah, no, Prince was one of the most revolutionary artists ever.
		And people that, Don't know the early stuff.
		They don't know how crazy it was that this guy was the house song called Head.
		Just singing about getting head.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		First time I saw him, he was opening for the Rolling Stones.
unidentified		Wow.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		And the audience didn't dig him because it was different back then and he was singing Soft and Wet.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Right, right.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Well, Prince was just, he was so unique, man.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		And he predicted a lot of the things that we're dealing with now and going through.
		I remember the first time he talked about what became Napster.
		And he talked about owning your own property and what was going to happen, slave on his jaw.
		And we thought that was silly, but it meant something.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Well, he was dealing with these crazy contracts where these record companies, these predatory record companies, would lock you into these contracts and they fucking owned you.
		So his response to that was like, okay.
		I won't perform as Prince anymore.
		Now I'm fucking this shit.
		I'm this squiggly.
unidentified		I'm a symbol.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I'm a symbol.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		With a slave insignia on my name.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		What are you going to do now?
		I'm a symbol.
		I'm not even selling myself as Prince.
		And he would just, I mean, how revolutionary is that?
Predatory Record Contracts and Ownership 00:15:30
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		This guy said, okay, I know the workaround.
		I won't use my name anymore.
		I'll just be a symbol.
unidentified		He was a bad kid.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		But he was such a bad motherfucker that people are like, I know who that is.
		I don't care what that fucking symbol is.
		That's Prince.
		Let him sing.
		Let him do things.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		Did you ever meet him?
unidentified		No.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I had one opportunity to fucking see him live.
unidentified		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		And I blew it.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		At the Great Western Forum?
unidentified		No.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		It was at one of the hotels in Vegas, but it was a really late show.
		And I had a show earlier that night.
		And Prince was doing small shows back then.
		It was like this small, intimate audience, but it was like after midnight, I was like, I'm fucking tired.
		I'm going to go to sleep.
		And this is like, oh, I fucked up, man.
		I fucked up.
		It was like when his career was in a weird place.
		He wasn't doing like big shows anymore.
		And he was doing this late night show.
		And people were saying it was really good.
		But I was like, I'm tired.
		I'm not going to see this.
		And then years later, when he was dead, I was like, God, did I fuck up?
		I always thought Prince was going to be around.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		And we lost Prince to fentanyl.
unidentified		Yeah.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		A lot of people were going in an elevator.
unidentified		God damn.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		I remember the Musicology album where he toured and he attached the album to the ticket so that when you bought a ticket, you were buying an album.
		And it instantly became a million dollar seller with that philosophy.
		He had genius that was way ahead of the pimps.
unidentified		Yeah.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		I love it.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		He just knew that he was being fucked.
		And he knew that all they're selling is his brilliance.
		They don't have anything.
		What is a record company selling?
		They're only selling the art.
		That's it.
		They don't make it.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		And they were selling a penny a copy.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, exactly.
		The record company was getting most of it.
		And now it makes even less sense.
		Because no one even buys albums anymore.
		It's like, how the fuck are these record companies even surviving?
		It's so crazy that they still figure out a way to latch their tentacles onto these young artists.
		And for young artists, they feel like they've made it when they're a part of a record deal.
		Like, I got a deal.
		And I almost want to tell them, like, that ain't a deal.
		You got to deal with the devil.
		Like, if you just put your shit on YouTube or on SoundCloud or anywhere where people hear it and they start sharing it, you'll be huge.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, we're getting smarter.
		And learning how to deal with the pimps that he has.
		I talk in the book about Prince, also, he had a great sense of humor.
		You would have loved him, you know, as a person beyond the musician.
		And there was a time when I was hosting the MTV Awards and he had no ass in his pants.
		And, you know, so when he's coming past me down the hall, I realize, oh shit.
		Because this motherfucker ain't got no ass in his pants.
		We'll be talking about this tomorrow.
		So obviously, when I get back to the show, my first monologue is about that night.
unidentified		Yes!
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yes!
		1991.
		Isn't that crazy?
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		That was nuts.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		1991.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		So I do jokes about that in the monologue.
unidentified		Of course.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		And like a week or two after the jokes, I get a box in the mail at Paramount and it's from Prince.
		And I open it.
		I figure it's maybe a hoodie.
		Right.
		I opened it and it's a beautiful black and white suit with all the Prince symbols on it.
		Made me look like I was the drummer for New Power Generation or something.
		It was a cool suit.
		And I'm looking at it, and my assistant said, Turn it around.
unidentified		I turned it around.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		There was no ass.
unidentified		Did you wear it?
unidentified		No leg.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		Hell no.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		Not even at the crib.
unidentified		I never put it on.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		It's like I could never bring myself to putting on that suit.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		It had no back, Joe.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Oh, that's hilarious.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		But that's his sense of humor.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		That's hilarious.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		That's so funny.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		I took him to an after hours joint once.
		I talk about that in the book.
		He was very interested in what people listen to and what moves people in clubs.
		And I told him about an after hours joint down the way south of Wilshire that was in a lady's house.
		And you have pit bulls and a fence, and they let you in, they lock the chain back, bring you to the back, and you put money on the counter and they put your liquor in a solo cup.
		Not a legal place.
		And I told him about the place, and he said, I want to go.
		And I took him down the way to this spot.
		He had an acrylic cane and a suit where the shoes match the suit, exact same material.
		And he sat with me in this after hours joint and listened to the music.
		And it was where the strippers were.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		What year was this?
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		Oh, God.
		This was maybe two years after I left the talk show.
		And so, did he need the cane back then?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Was that when he was having hip hop?
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		Problems, I think so.
		Now we understand that maybe he had a replacement, a hip replacement, or something.
		I thought it was fashion, but it probably was a little necessary that year.
		And he said, He was all his dancing and oh, he should jump off speakers, yeah, yeah, and land with heels.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		So that's what fucked him up, yeah, yeah, yeah.
jamie vernon ▲ ● ▼		Over the time, though.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		That's, well, he probably was struggling even back then.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Because there's a lot of guys that blew their hips out.
unidentified		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		He probably needed it.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		Because he was an athlete, per se.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Oh, for sure.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I mean, his dancing was insane.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		And he was a good basketball player.
		Hey, I have one of those.
		The hat with the police hat with the chain.
		He sent me that one day.
		So I'm sure there are a few of them.
		But just to have one of those from him.
		And he sent me what looks like.
		A Smith Wesson 38 long, but it was fixed up so the microphone was where the barrel is, so he could hold the gun and sing into it like that.
		I have that.
unidentified		Oh, wow!
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		Very cool.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		Very cool.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I became good friends with Charlie Murphy and Charlie.
		Charlie Hatt.
		Oh, look at that!
		Yes, wow!
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		Wow, I have one of those.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		I don't know how many there were, but I have one from that.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		That's crazy.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		Wow, but Charlie Murphy.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Well, Charlie had all those great stories about Prince that he did on Chappelle's show.
unidentified		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		You know, I mean, that was like that whole segment of how good Prince was at basketball.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		And then people didn't believe it because, you know, he's so short, but meanwhile, he could fucking play like a motherfucker.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		He had a crossover move that was crazy and he could roller skate.
		And I mean, amazing with a lollipop backpack on one foot, you know?
		So he was.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		He was an athlete.
unidentified		Yeah.
unidentified		Really.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I mean, you can't dance like that and not have incredible body control.
unidentified		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		But the problem is when you're doing show after show after show after show after show for years, you're tearing your fucking joints apart.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		And that's probably what blew his hips out.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		That's one thing about us, with the exception of the shit you used to do on a stool, that balancing act.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Oh, the Kardashian joke?
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, our life of jokes isn't very fit.
unidentified		No.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		All we got to do is take care of the neck up, take care of your mind, our body.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		No comedian has a bad hip.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Well, you generally don't get it from performing on stage, that's for sure.
		But when you're dancing and jumping around and doing all that shit, like, Ted Nugent blew his knees out jumping off of speakers.
		Like a lot of people did that.
		They just went crazy.
		They were just putting on a show, and you don't realize you're doing it.
		Maynard from Tool blew his hip out, stomping on the ground all the time.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		Wow.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Just stomping while he was singing.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		He had to get a hip replacement.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I like being a stand up.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Well, it's definitely easier on the body.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		That's true.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		You know, you still get up on stage ever?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah, all the time.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		I'm going up in your own club.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		What nights do you go up?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Usually Tuesday and Wednesday, I do it, but I do it, you know, off nights too, different nights.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		But Tuesday and Wednesday, almost every week, I do a show there.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		I promised my woman I wouldn't go to the mothership.
unidentified		Wow.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		When I told her, she's like, when you go, I want to go.
		It's a big deal if you're a comic, you know?
		I mean, uh, It's a huge deal.
		But I want to come one night, fly in, and just let me have 10.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Dude, you can go up anytime.
		You can go up tonight if you want.
		I got a show tonight.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I got to fly home and do.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		I'm still slinging this book, man.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I hear you, brother.
		Well, anytime.
		Anytime you want to come by and do a set, you're more than welcome.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		I love it.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Come and hang out.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		Everybody's been so friendly.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		The green room's an amazing hang, too.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		That's what I hear, but I've heard both sides of that.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		I've heard, don't be in that motherfucker if you're not supposed to.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Well, the problem is, you don't want anybody coming in and fucking up the conversation.
		So, you know, you got to be kind of vetted.
		But it's only like during shows when you're not on.
		You know, if like.
		If it's a show and you're on the show, everyone's allowed to be in the green room.
		It's just like we don't allow people to just come in out of nowhere.
		It's like you're from out of town, you want to come in and hang out in the green room.
		Then there's too many people in the green room.
		And then people have to prepare.
		They're going over their notes.
		The green room is supposed to be a hang with the comics on the show that are getting ready to go on stage.
		And the problem is that's the cool spot.
		That's where Shane Gillis is, Ron White is, Tony Hinchcliffe is.
		Everybody wants to come in.
		And, you know, it gets to be a little bit of a problem.
		So, you can't go in the green room if you're not on the show unless we know who you are.
		You know, you're in down, you want to come hang.
		But it's like you're having a party.
		You can't let everybody in.
		The problem is, everybody wants to be there.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		I mean, look at the level I'm at and how long I've been doing it, and I know about the green room and want to get in there.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		You can get in anytime.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		But when you were living in Hollywood still, did your kids ever want to act?
unidentified		No.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		No, they're not interested in that.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		Never wanted to do stand ups.
unidentified		Thank God.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		No, they wouldn't.
		First of all, rich kids are not going to be good stand ups.
		You're not going to be able to deal with the torture of bombing.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		And they don't have to.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		And they don't have pain.
		Their pain is so minor in comparison to the pain of poverty, the pain of struggle, the pain of not getting enough attention when you're young and moving around a lot, all the different shit that most comics go through.
		I've never met a good comic who had a great childhood.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		As you're talking, I'm thinking, I'm like, do we know any comics who are good, who are from wealth?
unidentified		None.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I don't know any.
		I'm sure they can exist.
		I'm sure it's possible.
		But it takes a very exceptional person to want to.
		To be a great comic that grew up wealthy.
		It's just not a thing that they seek to do.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		So much comedy comes from our pain.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I think the only exception to that would be the Wayans brothers because the sons of the Wayans brothers all went on to be great comics.
		They all went on to have big careers in movies and films and television.
		But I think that's like a family thing over there.
		Like I remember Damon telling me that he set up a stage in his house.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		That's absolutely true.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Well, they were just, I mean, they love stand up so much, they would fucking do stand up for each other.
		Just fuck around.
		I used to see, first of all, I think to this day, Damon is one of the most underappreciated great comics of all time.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		And he's back out there.
		Now, I noticed in my room, Damon is at the improv.
		Oh, he's always been out there.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I thought he quit.
		No, no, no, he never quit.
		He was always doing stand up, but he's low key about it.
		He makes his money off of television.
		You know, and even like he wanted to do, we talked, Years ago, about him coming on my podcast, and he was like, I'd like to, but I'll say some crazy shit and then I'll get in trouble because he was in that what I call the velvet prison, the TV velvet prison.
		You're doing TV shows, you're playing a dad on a TV show, you know.
		You can't come on a podcast, talk about getting your dick sucked.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		It's just Howie Mandel goes through that.
		I work with him a lot, and Howie is on America's Got Talent, exactly this real commercial television vehicle, but nobody is more real.
		And edgy than Howie Mandel.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		When he's on stage and in the green room hanging out.
		Like, he's done sets of the mothership.
		He's come and hung out with us.
		Yeah.
		He did my podcast and he came to the club.
		He's like, fuck, I want to be like that.
		I want to do what you guys are doing.
unidentified		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I'm like, you can.
		You can do it.
		But he's worried that he would lose that velvet prison.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		Hey, when we're working and they have the phones in bags, that's when he's amazing to us.
unidentified		Yes.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		Because he'll drop the C bomb in a minute.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		He was saying it.
		He was saying it on stage.
		I'm just so happy I can say cunt.
unidentified		Yeah.
unidentified		I just want to say it.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		But he was funny.
		It was like he was having a good time.
		He was loose.
		And you could tell.
		Because Howie was a great comic.
		Like, Howie had some hilarious fucking specials.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		I hated following him at the Westwood Comedy Store.
		Mitzi used to send us there to get better.
		Me, him, and Paulie.
		That's one thing I loved about her.
		You know how we have Nepo babies?
		She didn't have any Nepo baby.
		She was like, Pauly, you're not ready.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		Oh, she sent his ass to Westwood.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Oh, she made Pauly work.
		Yeah.
		I mean, Pauly's a rare dude in that regard.
		Like, he became a really funny comedian while he was, you know, living with a woman who's the great.
		In terms of, like, people in comedy that are, like, some of the most critical, important people, she is the most important person in the history of comedy that's not a comic.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		There is no argument.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		No argument.
		There's no one even close to her.
		And her son, you know, I mean, went on to have huge success in movies.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		I took Mitzi.
		Remember when we had the Universal Amphitheater?
		Mm hmm.
		I got tickets and took Mitzi to see Paulie open for Sam Kennison.
unidentified		Wow.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		And it just blew her away because she had never seen him in that large environment.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		And it was really cool to watch her watch her son.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Well, she let him grow the right way.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		You know, she didn't give him a silver spoon.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		By the way, Mitzi Shore.
		Started the comedy store, and she's the mother of Paulie.
		Show because I say Mitzi to you, right?
		Like it's a cousin, right?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Well, we talk about her so much, I think a lot of people listening know.
		She's the most important person in comedy that wasn't a comic and more important than most comedians.
		Like, she would tell you how to do it right.
		And if she liked you, man, it was like.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		She'd tell you how to do it in her opinion.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		I've seen her tell some people some crazy shit.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah, she was not right a lot of times.
unidentified		Yeah, yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		She had some wild ideas that.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		She had a girl put on a green wig one time.
		And I'm like, I'm not sure, you know, but she was trying to find some kind of hook for this girl.
		And I'm like, if you don't want to have to wear the green wig, Go home and figure out a hook.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, she made Joey Diaz call himself Fat Baby.
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unidentified		Ouch.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		When you would look at the lineup, like I bet you could find it online if you looked.
		There's lineups from the comedy store.
		It'd be a bunch of comedians, Bill Burr, blah, blah, blah.
		And then you'd see Fat Baby.
		And that was Joey Diaz.
		She would call him Fat Baby.
		She wouldn't even let him use his fucking name in the lineup.
		It would be Fat Baby.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		I remember having a conversation with her and Paul, and Paul was exacerbating the problem because she was like, Rodriguez?
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		Paul Mooney.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Oh, Mooney.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		We got so many Pauls in our life.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		So we're sitting talking, and Mitzi's about to start the Belly Room because she thinks women need a place to perform and to get better.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		That was what the Belly Room originally was.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		It was a little college up there for ladies.
		And she was trying to think of a name for it.
		And she says, I'm also thinking about having one night of just black comics.
		You know, because there was only George Wallace, Dave Tyree, and Mooney.
		At one time when I arrived.
		What year was that?
		I came in 1980, New Year's Eve.
unidentified		Wow.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		I drove out from Chicago because I'm from Cleveland and there were no comedy clubs in Cleveland back then.
		So I had to go to New York, LA, or Chicago.
		And my mother was living in Chicago at that time.
		So I went there because rent was free for a while.
		And that was a lot of fun.
		But Mitzi, for the Black Knight, she said, Paul, what do you think I should call it?
		And she says, I was thinking cotton comedy.
		And I'm not, no, Mitzi, no, no, you can't.
		And I was trying to explain why.
		And Paul was like, oh, that's wonderful.
		That's exactly what we should call it.
unidentified		Oh, homie.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		Oh, homie.
unidentified		Cotton comedy.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		He was cool.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Oh, man.
		Paul, that guy would write.
		Man, there'd be something that would happen in the news like the day before, and Mooney would go on stage and have like 15 minutes on it and just crush.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		And he did something that.
		I know I hate it.
		He requested the last spot.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Oh, he loved that.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		Wanted to go on late, wanted to stay on as long as he wanted, and would fuck with you if you tried to get up.
		Oh, you don't like a smart nigga.
		But don't leave too early.
		My friends are at your house robbing that motherfucker.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		He would have so many things like that, so many hooks.
		And he was just so good at working those small crowds.
		He just liked the freedom of just being able to fuck around, you know?
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		With a bottle of champagne, with a straw.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		A little tiny bottle of champagne.
unidentified		Yeah, the little straw.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		And he would sip on it during punchlines.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		Oh, nigga, please.
unidentified		And then take a sip.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		We all used to sit in the back and watch him.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		It's like if you thought you were good at comedy, you'd watch Mooney and go, God, I got so much to learn.
unidentified		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I got so much to learn.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		All the great comics that we know now at one time would sit in the back of the OR and come late to watch Paul.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		I used to, on a landline, I used to call Keenan and say, Yo, I'll meet you there.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		We were going to see Mooney at 115.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I would always love to see Mooney when something fucked up happened in the news.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Like, if there's something fucked up happening in the news, I'm like, when's Paul going up?
unidentified		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		You know, it's just like you had to go see him because he always had a take.
		And, you know, that take was always like, oh, shit.
		You know, it's like he would get you.
		He would like find an angle where you'd be like, oh my God.
		Oh my God.
		He was so clever.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		The coolest conversations at the comedy show, when Richard would come up every night and Richard would go from five minutes to an hour and then it would become.
		A great special that you go to at the theater to see.
		But I would watch Paul Mooney before we had cell phones.
		After it was over, Richard would go and have a cigarette in the main room, like on a Monday or Sunday, I think it would be closed.
		And that's where he would call it holding court.
		He would go in there first and just want to dry off for a minute, smoke a cigarette, and Paul would come in with a napkin with stuff written on it.
		And he would just, you know, oh, and how about this?
		And he would give him tags.
		As a matter of fact, Richard on the back of an album, that joke, you go to prison, you get justice.
		Just us, nigga.
		And he gave that to Richard, and it was on a prior album.
		But, oh, those, Joe, that was a time Richard would work out every night.
		He'd work the original room, go in the main room, and entertain his guest.
		And it would be like Burt Reynolds, Moses, Charlton Heston, Bernie Casey.
		You would see, like, oh, Burt Reynolds would have Sally Field with him.
unidentified		Wow.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		It was amazing.
		They would all come.
		And bow to the king, dog.
unidentified		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Well, he was so different.
		Yeah, I always say that the godfather of comedy who started everything was Lenny Bruce.
		But then Richard figured out a way to take that and make it way funnier.
		He figured out how to take that kind of honesty and social commentary and figure out how to talk about life.
		Because people don't know that before Lenny Bruce came around, it was just jokes.
		It was just like two Jews walking to a bar.
		They buy it.
unidentified		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		It was jokes.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		It was like, it was Dangerfield's rhythm.
unidentified		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		But, you know, Dangerfield was a special guy, too.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		He was a beast, man.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		And he didn't, he took like 10 years off and never stopped writing and was selling aluminum siding.
unidentified		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		And then came back and made it in his 40s.
unidentified		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Wow.
		Look at this.
		Willie Nelson.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		That's the main room.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		That's crazy.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Burt Reynolds, Sally Fields.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		Now, you see that picture?
		One night, I'm in that room.
		And Stevie Wonder is over on the piano.
		Remember how the piano used to be in the middle on the far left of the stage?
		Stevie's playing, and there are a few people snorting Coke.
		I think to this day, Stevie still thinks a few of those people have allergies because, you know, it's not like.
unidentified		Stevie's sniffing?
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, he's just sitting playing, and people are like, wow.
unidentified		Wow.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Look at that Burt Reynolds on stage, Robin Williams.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		I saw Burt Reynolds give the parking attendant $100, and I thought I was on another planet.
		I'm like, get the fuck out of here.
		That should be parking cars.
unidentified		Fuck, stand up.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that was, that's, and for people who are looking at this picture, that's Richard holding court after his set.
unidentified		Wow.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		What an amazing photo.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Well, Jamie, we should get some of these photos and, yeah, get some of these photos and let's print them up and put them in the green room at the mothership.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		I saw a picture.
unidentified		That's in the back.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		He's got the Ciro signs in the back.
unidentified		Oh, yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Still, wow.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		That tells you a lot about the history.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		Search.
unidentified		Search sign.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		That sign used to be, Mitzi had this warehouse room.
		Like, it was just not a warehouse, but you know, it was a storage room where she had all the old Ciro stuff.
		And I remember seeing that sign there, and they eventually hung it up in the back bar area.
		And you just look like, wow, this was a mob club in like the fucking 50s.
		Yeah, that's crazy.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		I saw a picture you have in the entry of Richard Pryor's mugshot.
unidentified		Yeah.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		I had never seen that.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		What did he do?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I don't remember.
unidentified		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I don't remember, but he was very young.
		That mugshot was, I think he was like 18.
		I don't remember what it was.
		I have mugshots from everybody who got arrested.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I saw Larry King.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Larry King was like bad checks.
		He was writing bad checks.
		He had a gambling problem.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		Oh.
unidentified		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Willie Nelson's up there.
unidentified		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I got everybody up there.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		There is a book that I have in my garage, and it's the first edition to tell you how much of this kind of stuff existed.
		But it's all celebrities and their mugshots.
		So it's a coffee table book.
		Of just the mugshots.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I should probably get that book.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I bet there's a few in there that I don't have.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		And I bet there is a second one that they could do.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		Because the book's only like a half inch thick.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		We got a lot of good ones out there, but, you know, so many people got arrested.
		You know, we got David Bowie out there.
		Of course, Morrison.
		You know, it's like Hendrix, gotta have that mugshot.
		That's a classic.
unidentified		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		There were a lot of mugshots.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		Have you ever taken a mugshot?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		No, I've never been arrested.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I've never been arrested.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I'm a good boy, believe it or not.
unidentified		Yeah.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		You know, I mean, we've done things, but not enough to have to take those pictures.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, luckily.
		But also, we live in a different time.
		You know, in the 1960s and 70s, when those guys are getting arrested, they're getting arrested for like having a joint or something like that.
unidentified		Yeah.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Richard, or excuse me, Jimmy, I think he got arrested in Toronto for having heroin on him.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I think that's what he got arrested for.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		I got pulled over and had a joint in my ashtray.
		In 1989, and I was scared to death.
		The cop was real nice to me, but he did the corniest thing.
		He says, Get out of the car, and he made me rip up the joint and drop it in the sewer at the curb there.
		He says, Now get your life together.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Like, this is helping me get my life together.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		It makes me funnier.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		That's funny.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		That's hilarious.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		Good old days, man.
		I remember you talking about Rodney earlier, Rodney Dangerfield.
		You know how we love comedy.
		We'll never stop doing it.
		We'll do it until the wheels fall off.
		And I remember him on stage at the Laugh Factory near the end of his life.
unidentified		I saw him there.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		And his wife was in the balcony giving him lines through a wireless earwig.
		And if you went up top, you would hear her say, I don't get no respect.
		I don't get no respect.
		And first of all, two things.
		First of all, it warmed my heart.
		That the woman who loves you is going to help you do what you love.
		So that made me feel so good.
		And it was like, I want a woman with that kind of heart because I know I'm going to want to do it when I'm older.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		She gave us his notes from one of his Tonight Show appearances, and they're framed on the wall in the green room.
		It's his handwritten notes in bold.
		He would write it in bold where the punchlines were.
		It's like sitting there right above the couch.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		That's cool, man.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it was one of the first things.
		Whitney Cummings hooked it up.
		She got it for us from her.
		She wanted us to have it.
		Whitney Cummings, I saw Rodney live when I was a security guard.
		I was a security guard at Great Woods Center for the Performing Arts, which was in Mansfield, Massachusetts.
unidentified		Oh.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I lived in Boston.
		Yeah.
		Me and a bunch of the black belts from this Taekwondo team that I was on got jobs as security guards.
		And I was 19, and I was backstage, and Rodney was walking around with a bathrobe on with nothing underneath it.
		That was when he was going on stage with a bathrobe.
		He got to such a fuck it point in his life where he would literally go on stage with nothing but a bathrobe.
		He would walk out there with a bathrobe and slippers and just fucking murder.
		I remember being in the hospital, and I wasn't even thinking about doing stand up back then.
		Back then, I was just fighting, and I was a fan of comedy.
		I always loved comedy.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		Your fighting friends talked you into doing stand up, right?
unidentified		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		One of the guys that I trained with, my friend Steve.
		But when I went there, I remember, like, you want to talk about not giving a fuck?
		Like, this guy really didn't give a fuck.
		Like, he had gotten to a point where he had so much success and so much money, and this is after Back to School and all those big movies.
		And he was still just going out there doing stand up.
		He was smoking weed back there, and he just would go on stage with a bathrobe on.
		And I remember thinking, that is the wildest shit I've ever seen in my life.
		I remember as a young man, because I was always, you know, you're fucking 19.
		You're scared of everything.
		You're worried about the future.
		You don't know what, you know, you have no security in your life at all.
		And here's this guy with, you know, millions of dollars, massive amounts of fame, and he had got to that I don't give a fuck stage.
		But he really did.
		He wasn't faking it.
		Nobody told him he has to go on stage in a bathrobe.
		I was like, I'll tell you what I want to do.
		I want to go on stage with a bathrobe.
		He just went on stage with a fucking bathrobe.
		See if you can find some photos of him on stage with a bathrobe on.
		I know he did it for years.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		I got in trouble because EZE came on my show in his bathrobe.
		And he was like, You gave it to me.
		You know, because we would give out bathrobes.
		And so he said, Well, fuck it.
		I'll wear it out there.
		And he wore it out and had a, he was picking his teeth with a knife.
		And Paramount was like, Oh, man, this is not what we asked him for.
		This is really not what we asked him for.
		He'll never replace Johnny.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Oh, fuck off.
unidentified		But I knew.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Those people were ridiculous.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		Hey, I was where I was because I snuck in through syndication, did a first run syndication.
		I know network wasn't for me.
		And when Letterman got CBS, I knew I was really in trouble, so I had to figure out an exit plan.
		But the bottom line is for six years, I did it the way I wanted to do it, and I wouldn't change a thing, man.
		To do it for 26 years, I wouldn't trade those six.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		The thing about it is, man, everybody wanted to be Johnny back then.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		It was so crazy.
unidentified		Absolutely.
unidentified		Even Letterman.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		I joked at the Emmys.
		I said, I had a dream.
		I wanted to be an old white man with a desk.
unidentified		You know?
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		And that was my dream.
		To the point, Joe, that when I made it, I hired Johnny's architect that built his house to build me a house.
		I was deep into the shit like that.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Well, he was the guy.
		People don't realize that was the carrot.
		That was the thing that they got.
		I mean, Jay Leno and like that famous scene in that movie that talked about it, where Jay Leno would hide in the closet and listen to them talk about it because.
		He wanted that spot when Johnny retired, but they wanted Letterman.
		And it was like this battle between, like, it made no sense to me.
		I'm like, Letterman has the Letterman show.
		It's fucking huge.
		It's amazing.
		Why would you want to do anything else?
		But everybody wanted that tonight show.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		All wanted the tonight show.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		And when I was a kid, I was a magician.
		That's how I started.
		And I read an article that said that Johnny did sleight of hand and was a magician.
		So to me, that was God speaking to me.
		It was like, you are a magician and you do a talk show in the basement.
		Ooh.
unidentified		One day.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, one day.
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joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Isn't it crazy though that it had to be the Tonight Show for everybody?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		It wasn't get your own talk show.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		Joe, doing stand up, getting that five minutes, having Jim McCauley come see you.
		I got on Dinah Shore.
		No, no, Mike Douglas.
		And I got on Merv Griffin.
		Didn't do it for me.
		I needed Jim McCauley to say the Tonight Show is yours.
unidentified		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Isn't that crazy?
unidentified		Did you do it?
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		You were too young.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I was too young.
		And it's also like, for me, I didn't understand it.
		Like, I used to like watching when comics were on the Tonight Show, but it didn't.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		Like, you remember the night Roseanne came on?
unidentified		Yeah.
		The domestic goddess.
		Yeah.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		I was like, oh shit, she's funny.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Oh, she was so funny.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		She can write.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		She was so funny.
		Roseanne was like way ahead of her time.
		She was so wild.
		There was no one like her when she came out.
		She's still wild.
		She comes to the mothership all the time.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		And as wild as she is, Joe, the night I called her and said, I need to rearrange the show tonight, her and Tom were coming.
		And it was the morning that I'd gotten the call from Irvin Magic Johnson that he was HIV positive.
		So I needed the whole show.
		And this is how cool she was.
		She says, Give me another date, but I'm still coming because we love Irvin.
		And they came and stood on the side that night when Irvin came and talked about it.
unidentified		Wow.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		She's cool.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		She's cool.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		She's crazy as fuck.
unidentified		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		She's cool.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		Aren't we all, and don't we have to be?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		You have to be.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
unidentified		A little bit.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		We got to be the different kid in the neighborhood.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		If you want to be as good as she was, as people, they don't, you got to go back and watch some of her specials.
		She was killing in a way that no woman killed like that.
		It was different.
		It was like aggressive.
		It was aggressive and angry.
		It was, it was, oh, she was.
unidentified		With a tent dress on.
unidentified		Yeah.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		She didn't sell us any sexuality at all.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		It was just great writing.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Just great writing and great performing and a lot of I don't give a fuck.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		And it was just, oh, Do you find any photos of Rodney with a bathrobe on?
jamie vernon ▲ ● ▼		I mean, yes, but not on stage.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		No?
jamie vernon ▲ ● ▼		There's only, yeah, I don't even know if they exist.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		They don't exist.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		That's crazy.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		That was a pre show right there.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		You think he's not ready, but he's dressed to go on.
unidentified		Right.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		And he's sitting there writing.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		Look at the phone.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		Look at that landline.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Isn't that crazy?
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		I showed my son one of those.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		He couldn't believe that to drop down a nine, it was.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		And if you missed one of them and fucked it up, you had to start from scratch.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		It was crazy.
unidentified		Yeah.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		Back in the day, I remember when the iPhone first came out and it didn't have actual buttons like a StarTech.
		And I was freaking.
		It's like, how will I know where the L is?
		I can't feel it.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I remember I had a Blackberry back then.
		You couldn't convince me that I needed to get an iPhone.
		I was like, this is ridiculous.
		I'm not typing on that stupid thing.
		I don't even know where the buttons are.
		It makes a click sound.
		That's stupid.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		Before you know it, we were doing it.
		We turned off the click and it says a lot about progress.
		Don't be afraid of change.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Well, now I talk to it.
		Now I hardly ever text.
		I just say, text Arsenio.
		Like, say, hey, man, looking forward to seeing you tonight.
unidentified		Blah, blah, blah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		And just send it.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I make most of my text messages, I just talk to my phone.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, pretty much me and Siri.
		And you can't say the N word to Siri.
		The other night I was writing a joke.
		No, she won't fuck with the N word.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I wonder if Google will.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		She's like, I'm not getting canceled and let Alexa have the whole business.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		I'm not to get.
unidentified		That's right.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		I'm writing a joke and I said the N word.
		Of course, I didn't say N word.
		I said, naked.
		And Siri would not write it.
		And then when I kept saying it, she started writing other things that started with an N. You know, but they weren't even words.
		And I'm like, so they got Siri trained.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		That's so weird.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		She's not getting canceled.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		It's weird that it took, it wasn't even 10 years, and then everybody just got accustomed to having a phone with them all the time.
		Like, there was, think about like the difference between, like, it was probably like, what is it, like 97, 98 when everybody had those Motorola's, right?
		It was around then, right?
unidentified		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		It was around then, like 96, 97.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		My friends laughed at me.
		My first phone was in a Halliburton briefcase.
		And you opened the silver Halliburton briefcase, take the phone out, and the phone was maybe 10 inches, you know.
		And I had an antenna that screwed on the outside of the briefcase because you had this big possum tail.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		I had one on the roof of my car.
		Oh, yeah.
unidentified		In 1989.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		Wow.
		Back then, I couldn't imagine that kids would be watching movies on the phone.
unidentified		Right.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Playing games, watching movies, and that would be most of their social life was communicating through that thing.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
unidentified		Remember.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		There was a time when dudes said to each other, Yo, he got a strong rap, man.
		His pimp hand is crazy.
		He can get a bitch in a second.
		You know, and he can talk.
		And now young men don't know what the fuck to say to a woman leaning against a wall at a club.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		No, they have dating apps now.
unidentified		They're just swiping.
unidentified		Crazy.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		But what I was going to get at, like how quickly the culture changed from, let's just say, 98, when a lot of people had a phone.
		At least half the people had a phone on them.
		2008, everybody had a phone.
unidentified		Mm hmm.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		2018, you'd be crazy to not have a phone.
unidentified		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		20 years like that.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		Okay, now hold your thought.
unidentified		Okay.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		I remember a time when you and I were the only parents that didn't allow cell phones in the hands of our kids.
		Because I remember my son said, Dad, you've got to let me have a phone.
		And I'm like, I'm not doing it.
		Until you're a certain age, I'd set it up.
		And I said, Does everyone in your class have a phone?
		And he said, No.
		Two of us don't.
		And I realized you were the other parent that was saying, We're not fucking with you.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I gave her a phone that has two numbers on it.
		There was a weird little cell phone that you could get for kids where she could dial my phone number or my wife's phone number.
		It was like, That's it.
		I forget what it was called.
		It was like the frog or something like that.
		Some little cell phone that was safe for kids.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		So it was safe for kids.
unidentified		Yeah, yeah, yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		But you didn't have to worry about the things that kids have to worry about now.
		Like I was watching this thing about Roblox, that game that kids like to play.
		That they're getting like predators are on roadblocks and they're trying to pick up kids, like child predators.
		So you have to worry about the games they play.
		You have to worry about them getting DM'd by creeps.
		You have to worry about so much more access than just a phone to call people.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		There was a time when my kid used to play games with a headset on and he would play with people you don't know, just somebody in the world.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		They would gather.
unidentified		Yeah.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		And.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		I remember feeling like, hmm, this can't be good.
unidentified		Right.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		You know, because these probably aren't all kids he's playing with.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		A hundred percent.
unidentified		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Well, when I first started playing video games, you'd have to chat by pulling down a window and you'd have to type in the things that you wanted to say.
unidentified		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		You couldn't talk to people.
unidentified		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		And then when people started talking to people in video games, I'm like, oh, well, this is crazy.
unidentified		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		But then the problem is, whenever there's anything that kids are doing, you're going to have some creeps that are targeting kids and they've Find where the kids are hanging out, what the kids are doing, and then they try to get those kids to meet them somewhere.
		That's what's scary about cell phones and the internet and all that shit is that it's not just a phone, it's a way that you can connect with people.
		And there's always creeps that are trying to connect with kids.
unidentified		Yeah.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		I was lucky as a kid because I talk about being a magician and I worked at a magic shop when I was 12, took cash because I couldn't actually have a job.
		And I remember.
		Meeting older magicians.
		I remember going to people's houses to see a new guillotine trick.
		And my mother worked two jobs.
		I was a latchkey kid.
		I never had any problems and I never was warned about it, you know, but I could have been a target because.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, you got lucky.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I really got lucky because I, you know, when I was writing the book, I'm looking and I'm saying, there was a guy I met who worked until he died for Penn Teller.
		And this dude, I met him at a magic show.
		And every year when he would come to Cleveland, I would go sit with him.
		My mother, Never knew I had this 40 year old friend.
unidentified		You know?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Weird, right?
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, but he was cool and I got lucky.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that's the thing about latchkey kids.
		I mean, the thing is, though, I was watching this YouTube video where they were talking about kids of our age, you know, our generation, latchkey kids that grew up like that are so much more resilient because no problems were solved for you.
		You had to figure it out on your own.
		You went out on your own, you were outside.
		With no cell phone communication, no way to call anybody.
		When you were 10, 11, wandering around with your friends.
		It's like it was a different world.
		You had to figure life out in a way that, like, helicopter parenting and parents that are like tracking their kids, you know, like a lot of parents, like, they're tracking their kids on their phone.
		They know where they're.
		You said you were at Debbie's house.
		You're not at Debbie's house.
		Where are you right now?
unidentified		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Like, everyone is like looking out for their kids, maybe a little too much.
		It's like you want your children to be safe, but you also want them to have.
		Like a little bit of freedom to figure out who the fuck they are.
unidentified		Yeah.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		Gosh, as a kid, when I would tell my mother, I'm spending the night at Kenny's house, I was never at Kenny's house.
		You know, my girl, when I was 14, had a mom who was a nurse that worked the 11 to 7 shift.
		So we kind of lived together like a couple.
		You know, I would tell my mother, I'm going one place, I'd go to Robin's house.
		I would stay at her house till morning when I went home to get ready for school.
		You know, I was like a grown ass man with a woman and shit.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		That's wild.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		Until one day her parents had the grandparents come to town and surprise her.
		And so the mom's at work, there's a knock at the door, and she said, It's my grandmother.
		We had little peepholes.
		It's my grandmother and my grandfather.
		And I had to jump with my clothes off their balcony.
		That was my action adventure teenage period.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it's a different world.
		I don't know if it's better or worse, but I think it definitely made you more resilient.
		And that was this argument that they were making in this YouTube video that that generation is the most emotionally resilient.
		And that this generation coming up is like the least emotionally resilient.
1970 Chevelle and Teenage Adventures 00:15:07
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		That's why they're always looking for things that are, you know, problems, they're always looking for things that.
		Bother them, things that cause them anxiety.
		They're always looking for things that they can't tolerate.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		Where's my bike helmet?
		We used to have a car, it was a station wagon, and the back seat you sit facing the opposite way.
		No seatbelts.
		That had to be dangerous.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		It's all dangerous.
		Those cars were dangerous.
		They could barely stop.
		They had drum brakes.
		You ever drive like an old car?
		I have old cars, but I have what they call resto mods, where they take an old car, but they put like modern suspension, modern brakes, modern steering.
		Handles like a new car, but they have all the outside of an old car.
		And then the dashboard of an old car and all that stuff.
		That's what I like.
		If you drive a real, like if you try to drive a 1968 Camaro, you're like, what is this piece of shit?
		They can't brake.
		You can't go around a corner.
		There's no traction.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		What was your first car?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I had a 1973 Chevelle.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		I had a Cutlass.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I had a Cutlass once.
		Yeah, I had a 70, a 70 Cutlass.
		Those are great cars.
		God, they knew how to make a beautiful car back then.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		You like muscle cars.
unidentified		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I love that.
		Well, when I was in high school, like those were the.
		So I was in high school in the 1980s.
		I was a freshman in 1981.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		I had four kids in the 1980s.
unidentified		Wow.
unidentified		That's great.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		I'm much older than you.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		In those days, those cars were the cars that we all looked at.
		Like you couldn't believe when someone had it.
		I remember I have a 1970 Chevelle that I got to this day.
		I have it because.
		When I was like 17, my friend picked me up in a 1970 Chevelle with his buddy, and it was perfect.
		It was a perfect car.
		I couldn't believe this guy had it.
		I was like, how do you have this?
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		And when you say perfect to non car people like me, what does that mean?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Oh, first of all, it was what you would call cherry, meaning there was no dents, no scratches, perfect paint.
		It was beautiful.
		The sound it made when he pulled up, I couldn't believe it.
		I think I was 16, because I don't think I had a license yet.
		And I remember getting in the backseat of the car going, how does this guy have this car?
		This is crazy.
		You know what a 1970 Chevelle looks like?
		Absolutely.
		With the white stripes, black with the white stripes.
		That was it.
		I have that exact car right now.
		I love it.
		Whenever I get in, I think about when I was 16, I think about all those years ago.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		When Burt Reynolds drove up, those pictures we just looked at, when he drove up, he had what was called a Trans Am.
unidentified		Yes!
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		And it had a big eagle on the back.
unidentified		Yes!
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Smoking the Bandit car.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		I almost lost my mind.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Oh my God.
		That was the Smoking the Bandit car.
		That was the car that he had in those movies with Sally Fields.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		$100 tip.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		Have you ever been to Jay Leno's spot?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		With the cars?
unidentified		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I did his show once.
		I brought my Corvette on.
		I have a 1965 Corvette, and I brought it to his show.
		It's a resto mod too.
		And Jay drove it around.
		He's the only person that's ever driven it other than me.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		It's an honor.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		But you go to his place, it's like he has warehouses, not a warehouse.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		There's me and Jay.
		He never sells one.
		He swears to me he's never sold a car.
		So anything he's ever bought, he keeps it.
		And he recently told me.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Why did someone turn it gold?
unidentified		I don't know.
jamie vernon ▲ ● ▼		I'm afraid you clip it in his thumbnail, someone's YouTube video.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		No, go to the other one.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		The other picture, the real picture.
jamie vernon ▲ ● ▼		I was just clicking around.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		But go to the real picture so you can see what it looks like.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		You know what he has now that's kind of cool?
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		He has two tanks, two army tanks.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		That's us right there.
		That's my car.
		Look at that.
		See, but that, you see that modern suspension, modern wheels.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		Those are exhaust pipes on the side?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that car is so fun.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		Do those things get hot?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, yeah, you'll fuck your leg up.
		If you got shorts on, your leg touches it, you're in trouble.
		The outside part won't because the outside is to protect you from the actual exhaust pipes, but underneath it is exhaust pipes.
		But where Jay's leg is, if he backed up right there, if it was hot, he'd singe the back of his calves.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		Joe, he has tanks.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, he has everything.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		Yes, the king of Jordan gave him a tank.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		And this motherfucker was riding through Sherman Oaks with the tank.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		He drives everything he has, too.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		That's the thing about Jay.
unidentified		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Like, it's kind of nuts.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		It's a lot of rotation.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Well, he crashed one of his motorcycles just a few years ago.
unidentified		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Fucked himself up.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		He does a bit about that.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		He's fucked himself up without a motorcycle.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Oh, that was the one time we were climbing up a hill?
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, we've done a lot of dates together.
		We have the same agent, right?
		And he called us one day and he says, How about you, Jay, and Craig Kilborn?
		And we call it Kings of Late Night.
		And so we went out and did like five dates, and it was a lot of fun.
		And me and Jay enjoyed it, so we added 20 more dates to it.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Oh, that ought to be great.
unidentified		Fun.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		He was a great comic in the 70s.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, people don't know.
		When I was in college, we would go in the TV lounge and watch Jay Leno.
		To this day, I remember him saying, I was a philosophy major, and so I just got out of college and opened up a little philosophy shop.
		You know, just to explain what bullshit majors were actually being peddled to us.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Well, he was the edgy comic in the 1970s.
		And when he would go on Letterman's show, he was like the edgy guy that would sit on the couch and be like, Letterman would say, What's your beef?
		Yeah, and he would always be mad at something.
		He was like, people don't realize that.
		You'd see him as, but again, that carrot, the carrot for him was the Tonight Show.
		That was more important to him than anything.
		And once he got that Tonight Show, everything else was like, took a back seat.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		Did you do Letterman as a stand up?
unidentified		No, no.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		That was my first.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		That's a classic.
		That was a great place for comedy.
		Because Letterman, like, he really loved comics and he really loved, like, solid stand up.
		I never liked doing stand up on those talk shows.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		Is it the five minutes?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		To me, I did a different kind of comedy.
		My comedy needs some time.
		I need to cook.
		You know, I need time to open up.
		Ideas.
		And I didn't like censorship.
		I didn't like TV comedy.
		I was a nightclub comic.
		That's all I ever wanted to be.
		I wanted to be a nightclub comic.
		I like doing comedy for drunk people.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, but when I first saw you, it all wasn't dirty.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		Some of it was TV stuff.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Well, it wasn't necessarily dirty, but it was free.
		It was like I was being free.
		I was doing whatever I wanted to talk about.
		I didn't like the idea of being constrained by any sorts of standards and practices.
		It was like.
		I'm not interested.
		I've been not interested in that.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		I worked on my Tonight Show set to try to get on the Tonight Show with Johnny.
		And the guy would come see me a lot.
		He would change my jokes.
		That I hate.
		I hate when they say, try saying vacation instead of gift shop.
		And I'm like, oh, let me just do my thing.
		But after a year of him trying to get my set right, he says, You're not a Johnny comic.
unidentified		Oh, God.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		You're not a Johnny guy.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		What does that even mean?
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		But then I got on on a Monday night with Joan, because I guess I was a Joan guy.
		And then I got to sit with Johnny.
		Just as a guest to promote coming to America.
		So finally, full circle from my basement.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		That's amazing.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I watch a lot of his old clips, like with Don Rickles and all these.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		Oh, Don Rickles talking about Snooky, the brother in the band.
		You know, and he would do a noise of a blowgun.
		It's like, Snooky, you liking this stuff?
		You know, and you can't fuck with that now.
unidentified		No.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		There's so much.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		It's funny how we've come forward into a new era, but we've gone backwards in certain ways.
unidentified		Yeah.
unidentified		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		You can't joke about certain things anymore.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		Like, I'm scared to death right now because I'm going to say something that I shouldn't say, and I'm going to be in TLC prison.
unidentified		They can't do shit to you now.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		They can't do shit to you now.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		They can just be mad, I guess.
unidentified		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Let them be mad.
		Just don't pay attention.
		That's what I do.
		I just don't pay attention.
unidentified		Really?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		I just don't read anything about me.
		Stay away.
		That's the best way.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		Are you a comic who, when you're on stage, it can be 200 people laughing, but that one person who's not laughing annoys the fuck out of you?
unidentified		No.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		You can't even enjoy the others.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		You don't even look at that person.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		No, those people have their own problems.
unidentified		Yeah.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		And by the way, sometimes they're just not laughers.
		Because that person will sometimes come up to you and say, Love what you're doing.
		Love the new stuff.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Some people just like to smile.
		They don't want to laugh.
		They just want to sit there and watch, or they just want to take it in, take in the performance.
		Doesn't mean they don't like it.
		And then some people just.
		Are upset by everything.
		You can't control that.
		Just control what you, what I would, the only thing that bothers me is if I'm off.
		That's it.
		If I'm off, if something's wrong, if I stumble on a word, if I fuck something up, that's the only thing that bothers me.
		And the audience is like, you can't control that.
		Why be upset at things you can't control?
		Because who knows what their trip is?
		Who knows what they're carrying around with them?
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		As a famous star now, do you ever bomb?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I have jokes at BOM for sure.
		New ones.
		We trot out a new one.
		Especially like we do this show called Bottom of the Barrel.
		And Bottom of the Barrel at the Mothership is there's like a whiskey barrel, and you reach into the whiskey barrel and you pull out premises, just ideas, and you just run with it.
		That's tonight, actually.
		And so you pull out a piece of paper and have a subject, you know, ice cream, sundae, whatever, whatever the fuck it is.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		That takes intestinal fortitude.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Oh, a lot of those fucking go nowhere.
unidentified		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		But some of them don't.
		Every now and then, you get a great premise out of those.
		And it's like a little premise factory.
		But the audience knows it there.
		So it's different than when they go to see you and they paid money and they're expecting a polished show.
		And you have a new joke.
		And the new joke is just not right.
		It's not ready.
		Something's missing.
		You're not finding it.
		And you're trying to work through it.
		Yeah, it's always going to happen.
		And if it doesn't happen, you're not taking enough chances.
unidentified		Yeah.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		See, I'm not as chance driven as you are.
		I'd be afraid to do that because.
		My feelings get hurt too easy.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, well, it's part of the process.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, you're right.
		You're right.
		We should do the things we fear.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		You definitely have to if you want to write new shit.
		You're going to have to.
		There's that moment where you're like, do I trot this new one out?
unidentified		Fuck it, let's go.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		And, you know, a lot of the new ones, the way they come out, for me at least first, is just a frame.
		It doesn't have sides, it doesn't have windows, it doesn't have doors.
		It's just a frame.
		And I have to figure out how to make a house out of that frame.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		That's what I loved about going to the original room back in the day when we were young, watching Richard take out a pack of cigarettes, take a cigarette, and Mitzi had those smoke things that popped, and it got smoke and everything.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		And Richard would have two minutes, and then he'd have five.
unidentified		Mm hmm.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		It would just build.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, and it was like when grandma used to make a quilt, and it gets bigger and bigger, and you've got an hour.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		I used to love watching him develop it.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I heard that Richard would go in on a Monday.
		And have a joke that bombed, and then it would be murdering by Saturday.
		And that's what he would do.
		He would just go and figure it out on stage.
		Damon used to do that a lot.
		Damon used to go and sit on stage and just sit with a premise, just sit with it.
		And he would trot it out for like 10 minutes and try to figure it out, and then finally he'd find something, and everybody would be dying.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		We got away from that earlier, but.
		I totally got your point.
		Damon is one of the great ones, and I hope he continues to do stand up and pop out to the clubs because he's one of the great ones that a lot of people don't realize.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		They don't realize how great he was when he did The Last Stand, that one HBO special that he did way back in the day.
		It's a phenomenal special.
		It's phenomenal.
		He was so good, but he wanted to be a movie star.
		You know?
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		And like Richard, he had an ability to also be vulnerable and tell the truth about something that most of us wouldn't tell.
		Like, he talked about having a club foot.
		As a kid.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		And he was special.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		And I'm glad he's back out there.
unidentified		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Well, I think he never really started.
		You know, one other thing that he did that is very unique Damon brings a camera to all of his shows and he films all of his shows and he archives them.
		Every set he ever does.
unidentified		Really?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yep.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		And he goes over it.
unidentified		That's work.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		It's work.
		Because one of the things that he does, like I said, is he'll take a premise and just try to find it on stage, try to figure out what about it works, what about it pops.
		Like, what is it?
		And you know, I guess like doing that with a camera, and then you can go home, sit, and watch it on the computer, and just go, What is in this?
		There's something here, I gotta find it, and just look at it from every angle.
		Look at it over here, look at it over there, try to do it backwards, try to figure out what the makes it work.
		Yeah, and he would just have no fear of silence.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		See, that's that's the sentence right there when it's quiet in the comedy club, I lose my mind.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Chris Rock does that too.
		Chris Rock did a lot of that at the comedy store.
		He would come in and just, he would have material that he was working on.
		Like one time I remember I brought him up on stage and everyone's going crazy.
unidentified		Chris Rock's here.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		They're cheering, cheering, cheering.
		And he goes, Relax, relax.
		It ain't going to be that funny.
		Just let people know that I'm working on some new shit.
		This ain't going to be that funny.
		But with confidence, like everybody already knew he's funny.
		They already saw Binger and Blacker.
		They already saw his specials.
		It was Bring the Pain.
		Everybody already knew.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		The one where he shot with three different outfits in three different places.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I hated that one.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		You didn't like that one?
unidentified		No.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Not that I didn't like the material.
		I didn't like the idea of swapping outfits.
		The problem with that is you realize he's saying the same thing in all these different places.
		Don't worry.
		But it takes away from the magic of a performer.
		I want to see you, and I don't want anything to distract me from these.
		I don't want to say, oh, he just performs this the same way everywhere.
		I want you to just be saying it.
		The magic, like the trick is.
		You are in the moment with whatever you're talking about.
		If you're changing outfits and all of a sudden you're in Johannesburg and now you're in Cleveland, like, uh uh uh, don't do that to me.
		Why you got a leather jacket on in the beginning and in the punchline you got a fucking silk shirt?
		Uh uh, don't do that.
Jazz Musicians and Changing Outfits 00:13:03
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		See, I saw it as a guy creatively trying to find new horizons and do different things.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Some horizons suck.
		It's not that the jokes were great, it's like he's a great comic.
		It's not that.
		It's like I just didn't like the idea of changing outfits.
		If I was friends with him back then, I would say, Don't, I don't like it at all.
		And I would explain.
		The problem is, you're taking people out of the premise, and then there's a new additional thing that they have to think of.
		Oh, this is a different set.
		Oh, he's wearing different clothes.
		It's a new thing to distract you from the most, the primary thing.
		The primary thing is, What are you talking about?
		Like, what is this thing you're talking about?
		Let me get inside your head while you explain this thing that's so hilarious.
		But if you're doing that and changing outfits and changing stages, like, I know you perform in different places, I know you wear different clothes.
		Don't show me right now.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		In retrospect, I wonder how he looks at that special.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I don't know.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I mean, he never did it again.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		Well, you don't want to do it again.
		Right.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I mean, he did it once, he tried it.
		Different people like to do different things and try them.
		I just didn't like that for that reason.
		I felt like it was an added element that took me away from the premise itself.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		And by the way, something that's come out of this conversation in my head is the guys who are the best seem to go deeper and work the hardest.
		I mean, when you talk about.
		Archiving your practice sets.
unidentified		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		All of them.
		Damon has all of them.
		And he told me this years ago because I saw him at the improv.
		He was in the lab.
		We were in the big room and he was in the lab.
		This was not that long ago.
		When I say years ago, like 10, nine years ago, something like that.
		And I go, You record all of them?
		He's like, Every set since like 1990 something.
		He goes, I record them all.
		I got this camera.
		I take them all and I archive them.
		I put them on my computer.
		I'm like, Whoa.
		It made me think.
		Fuck, I'm lazy.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that's exactly what I'm thinking.
		And I'm also thinking, what an amazing documentary if we could go through the history of Damon's personal archives.
		That would be a great.
unidentified		Oh, yeah.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		I think there's a special there.
unidentified		Probably.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, probably.
		But I mean, I think that's just part of his creative process.
		And again, I just think people don't realize, especially in the 90s, the early 90s, what a monster he was on stage.
unidentified		Yeah.
unidentified		He was a monster.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		He was one of the first guys that was like a really famous guy that I saw at the store.
		I came to the store in 94, and he was one of the first guys who was like, Oh shit, Damon Wayans is here.
		Like, it was weird.
		It was like weird when people would show up, like you'd seen him in movies and shit, and all of a sudden they're there in real life.
		Like, you know, I was just coming from New York.
		I didn't know anybody, and I was like, This is so strange.
		I can't believe I'm around these people.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		So you went from Boston to New York.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Boston to New York.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		Catch a rising star.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		Where'd you work out in New York in those days?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Well, I did the Boston Comedy Club.
		You know, the little place that Barry Katz had.
		I did The Cellar.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		Jay Moore's manager, right?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
		I did Catch Rising Star back when that was there.
		I did Comic Strip.
		Yeah, I did The Strip.
		Yeah.
		I did the clubs in town.
		I did Dangerfields a lot.
		But honestly, when I lived in New York, I really liked doing the road more because when I did the road, I could make money.
		So, like, I came up in Boston, and in Boston, You made a lot of your money not in the clubs in town, but you made a lot of your money in like the bar shows, you know, outside of town in the suburbs.
		And the thing about that is like you could headline.
		And so you could do 45 minutes or an hour.
		And that allowed me to grow and like to really become a headliner.
		Whereas like I found like a lot of the New York comics that I would go on the road with when I would work with them, even when I was a middle act and they were a headliner, they had like these 10 and 15 minute sets that they'd stitch together.
		To make an hour.
		Whereas the guys that I work with in Boston, like the big headliners in Boston, they had a real hour.
		Like that fucking, that was an hour of thunder.
		You know, they had a beginning, a middle, and an end, and it was like tight.
unidentified		It was tight.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		And I felt like I could do sets in New York, but I don't think it's really helping my career, right?
		There's no one there to see me.
		I felt like I'm going to make money.
		Like I could do a set in New York and I make 25 bucks, or I could do a set in Connecticut and make $250.
		I was like, I'll go to Connecticut.
		Plus, like the people are more fun.
		They're more loose.
		They're a bunch of fucking crazy drunks.
		I love doing Long Island.
		I love doing New Jersey.
		I like doing the road more.
		That's what I liked.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		I think I'm a product of my childhood environment.
		I discovered stand up because I was a drummer, had a band, I was a magician, had doves, boxes, and shit, and then my house burned down.
		So I lost everything.
		But I had gone to an Al Green concert, and Al Green had a comic come out.
		House lights are on, people are still making their way to their seats, and this guy slowly gets them, and then the lights go down, and by the time he gets to 30 minutes, he's killing.
		And all he had was a glass of juice, something on the stool.
		And this is a kid who just lost his house and his cymbals and his tom toms and his doves and his boxes.
		And I'm like, that's me.
		Johnny was a stand up.
		So I'm still dreaming.
unidentified		Wow.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		And to this day, even when I start making a lot of money, after seeing that guy, I loved opening for people.
		I went on the road with everybody from Lou Rawls to Patti LaBelle.
		Still to this day, I'm comfortable doing 30 minutes because that's what I did.
		I had money.
		Like, I would come to the comedy store and I would have a really nice car because I'd spend most of my time on the road with Patrice Russian and Johnny Guitar Watson.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Oh, wow.
		That's a different world.
		Opening for musicians is a different kind of comedy because, like, they're not there to see you.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		And that's what I found to be the challenge.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		It's like, I'm going to make you motherfuckers who don't know me and are mad because a lot of people would look at you like, that ain't one of the temptations.
unidentified		Right.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		You know, I got to get them.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		And I liked that challenge.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		It is a real challenge because there's a lot of people like, boo!
unidentified		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Bring on Metallica!
unidentified		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, they don't want to see you.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		They want to see the music act.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		I opened for Blood, Sweat, and Tears once.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Wow.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		And they really did not want to see me.
		You think the Johnny Guitar Watson audience didn't want to see me?
		Them motherfuckers for Blood, Sweat, and Tears, not fucking with me.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Well, it's definitely running with weights on, though.
		If you can make those people laugh, boy, you take those weights off and go to a comedy club where they're there to see you.
		It's like, oh.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		Just there to see comedy made it easier.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I just don't want to perform for people that aren't there to see comedy.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		But there's a value in it, I think.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		But that's when you're young.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		And I had a nice car in a condo because I had just come off the road with Aretha.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I did a few of those.
		I opened up for Bon Jovi once.
		I opened up for Bon Jovi for VH1.
		They had a theater in the round show, like a performance in the round.
		My job was to open up for Bon Jovi and then get the pretty girls and move them to the front so that they could be on camera.
		That's what they told me to do.
unidentified		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		So I did some stand up and then I had to get people like, come up here, come closer.
unidentified		Yeah.
unidentified		Yeah.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		I remember those times being on the road and if there were six girls in the green room and you're opening for the Temptations, Number six is yours.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		The other five go first to the Timbs.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		That's a different world opening for musicians.
		That's a hard world.
		And I know a lot of people made a living just traveling with bands.
		And that's all they did.
		They would just open up for bands.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I would open up for RB acts.
		And as a matter of fact, I got discovered by a jazz singer, Nancy Wilson.
		And I used to love jazz audiences because that was the perfect type of music for a comic.
		Because they were mellow.
		Jazz audience don't scream, get the fuck off.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Right, right, right.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		They just, you know, they.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Alonzo Bowden, he does jazz tours still.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Like, he'll do like a jazz cruise ship.
unidentified		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		You know, like, and he'll do stand up with the jazz audiences.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		Hey, every year.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		But he loves jazz.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		I love jazz too, and I remember going to see the Playboy Jazz Festival, and Bill Cosby was the host at the Hollywood Bowl.
		I host that every year now.
		I still love jazz.
		And that's the coolest two days of my summer.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		What is it about jazz?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		What do you love about it?
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		Oh, about the actual.
		By the way, the coolest experience was sitting on the beach in Malibu with Miles Davis.
		After he came on the show once, he says, Why don't you come over to the house and hang out?
		And he was a painter.
		And he was sitting with his trumpet.
		It was a red trumpet.
		I'd never seen a red trumpet, like a crimson trumpet.
		And it was sitting beside him, and he wouldn't use an easel.
		He had the canvas on a table, and he'd roll a new piece out, and he would paint.
		He said, You ever thought about painting?
		No, I'm not a good artist.
		But being a jazz fan, that was the coolest moment ever.
		And what do I like about it?
		I almost equate my comedy to jazz because I love to say, I'm going in D, guys, and just play, you know, as a stand up.
		You know, I used to.
		Love to equate how I work to jazz.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		But it takes a very specific type of person to be like a jazz fan that really enjoys listening to jazz.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		I'm also a musician, and I know that some of the most respected musicians in my mind are jazz musicians.
		You know, the intricacy, spending time with Quincy Jones, who was from the world of jazz and a former trumpet player, and all that stuff.
		Then he ends up, the year I meet him, he plays for me these tracks.
		And I don't know what I'm about to listen to.
		And he says, You hear this?
		He takes, he slides all the slides down.
		He says, Listen to this.
		And he plays this thing tink, I'm like, What is that?
		He says, You ever heard of Sheila E. Man?
		And I said, Yeah, the Escovedo family.
		And I know the family.
		And he says, She put different amounts of water in little pop bottles.
		And that's her tinging on those bottles.
		Then he starts bringing up the pots.
		And you hear the bass and the drums, and you realize you're listening to stuff from off the wall.
		And.
		It's just this incredible moment when I realized, yo, he's getting ready to bring Michael back in a crazy way.
		I'm listening to, you know, you got me working, working day and night, you know, and he'd just take out everything and just have Michael's voice.
		And I'd never been in a recording studio.
		And he's at the board, 18 channel track studio.
		And then he says, You're from Ohio, right?
		And he had seen me do stand up at the Roxy and invited me to his studio.
		And he says, You're from Ohio, right?
		And I said, Yeah.
		And so he says, Let me play you this, man.
		And you have to take big, giant reels and put them on this machine.
		And he put the reels on, and the song starts.
		And he says, This is a scratch track.
		And I'm like, What's that?
		He says, That's a demo.
		And he says, They want me to find a singer for this.
		And he plays me James Ingram, Find 100 Ways, and James Ingram Just Once.
		Brilliant, beautiful songs.
		And I'm like, what's wrong with that guy?
		He said, Yeah, I'm thinking about it, man.
unidentified		He's pretty good.
unidentified		He's pretty good.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		And it ends up being the James Ingram from Ohio.
		And that was an incredible day.
		But I tell that story to say this great jazz musician had this talent that other producers didn't have because of his music genius.
		And he was able to bring us the Off the Wall album and put Michael back in the mix.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, layers and layers to the sound.
unidentified		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		That's the thing when you hear a song, you don't realize how much shit is going on in the background.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		Sheila E. with Pop Bottles.
		Yeah, crazy.
		I love that day.
		That's a favorite time because Michael had been missing, you know, and I had bought the Moving Violation album.
		So I knew he needed Quincy.
unidentified		Wow.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, there's some geniuses of music, man.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I had Rick Rubin on the podcast, and he's explaining his creative process and just like, that guy's out there.
Finding Your Own Show Format 00:03:46
unidentified		Yeah.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I had to go his way when I started the talk show that I took over for Joan Rivers.
		When I first had the idea that I want to try to find my own friends of the show, I want to find my show.
		And I put on LL Cool J doing a song called I'm Bad.
		And that night I found what I was going to do, win or lose.
		Next, I booked The Freaks Come Out at Night, Houdini.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I remember that.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		I found my home.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		When you did the Joan Rivers thing, did you think that that was going to lead to you doing your own show?
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely.
		You did.
		I was like, I am.
		Because Joan leaves, goes through all the stuff she's going through, and they give me this show for 11 weeks, and it starts to get numbers.
		And I know that she left because of a lack of numbers.
		And I'm like, oh, this shit is mine.
		So when I come back from coming to America, I'm going to come back to Fox and do this show.
		And one day I walk into the.
		And I realized they had hired Conan O'Brien to create a show.
		And I think the show was called The Wilton North Report or something like that.
		But I realized I wasn't in their future.
		So, Paramount, they were popping over to say hi, sending me flowers.
		And when I finished coming to America, actually halfway through, they were like, when you finish, you can do that talk show here in first run syndication.
		And they had to explain that to me.
		And at the same time, I was being pitched by the King brothers who created Oprah.
		So I kind of understood that first run syndication could work, except Oprah had ABC Networks behind her, which is good.
		I had some CBS affiliates.
		And, uh, It all worked out.
		Right now, with the exception of Byron Allen, I don't think anybody gets rich in first run syndication.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Well, he's a very unusual case, you know?
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I mean, he's figured out a cheat code.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Like, Byron Allen, you know, I heard that.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		And when they cheat him, he sues them and wins.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I think Byron Allen's show Comics Unleashed is going to replace Colbert.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		That was just announced this week.
unidentified		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Late Show will be replaced by Byron Allen's Comics Unleashed.
		That's crazy.
		That's how.
		Isn't that weird?
		Like, late shows just don't work anymore.
		They just don't have the same thing anymore.
		Like, that standard model show.
unidentified		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Where people, like, I don't think they do well anymore.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		And they're expensive, Joe.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I can imagine.
		They were saying the Colbert show was costing them, like, $50 million a year to keep it on the air.
		I don't understand it.
unidentified		Like, how?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		How's it cost you so much money?
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		Oh, gosh.
unidentified		Well.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		But you know what I'm saying?
unidentified		Like, you have ads.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		When there were three channels, though, and only one had a talk show, everybody was there.
unidentified		Of course.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		And it.
		It made sense.
		It made dollars and cents.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		There's also the problem in that, when you compare it to things that are on the internet, is that you have to stop conversations every seven minutes for a commercial.
		That's an issue.
		It's an issue with depth.
		You don't get to go.
		Like, you and I have been talking for two hours and 40 minutes.
unidentified		Wow.
unidentified		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		So, like, when you're doing this kind of thing, you just flow.
		Everything flows.
		You just have a conversation, you just have a good time.
		It's so different when you're stuck in this format where you only have an hour.
		Everything is like, you got to cut to the commercial in five, fourth, like, we'll be right back.
		Like, we'll be right back.
		Where are you going?
unidentified		Stay here.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Like, no, you have to sell Tide.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		You know, it's like that format is so limited.
Live Shows and Flowing Conversations 00:04:36
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		It's so restrictive that people knowing that there's other things out there now where you could just go and watch it anytime you want.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		You don't have to tune in at 11 p.m.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, we used to have Musk CTV.
unidentified		Yeah.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		And we would all gather as a nation to watch the finale of Cheers.
unidentified		Yep.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		And now we don't do anything together.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		Nope.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		No, except sports, except like Super Bowl.
		There's only sports, live boxing events, UFC, that kind of shit, where it's live.
		That is the only thing that people all watch together.
unidentified		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		That's it.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		Did you watch Chris Rock Live?
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		Selective outrage.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I didn't watch his live special.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I watched it after, but I didn't watch it when it was live.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		So you knew it was available.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I was busy.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		When we grew up, shit wasn't available the second time.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		But I did a live special on Netflix for that very reason, just because I thought it was scary.
		Just because my last one I did live.
		And I only did it live because the first time they asked me, I said, no, fuck that.
		And then I was like, why are you being such a pussy?
		And I remember driving home.
		I had a conversation with my manager and I called her right back.
		I go, let me decide tomorrow.
		I go, I'm thinking about this.
unidentified		Hold on.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Because I was driving home feeling like I was a pussy for not wanting to do it live.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		And now, in retrospect, what did you get out of agreeing to do it live?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Fear.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		You wanted to feel that.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I wanted to be nervous.
		I was legitimately nervous.
		I never get nervous for shows anymore.
		I get the same kind of.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		When you're killing a wild hog, I heard you talk about killing a wild hog.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		When you go hunting like that, it's the same kind of.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		It's a very different kind of fear.
		That's a primal thing.
		That's very different.
		That's a very different thing.
		That's like, that's a life or death.
		You're in that's a weird primal connection with nature where you're going to eat this thing, you're sneaking up on this thing that has these survival instincts and sense of smell, and tears pop up.
		Yeah, and you have you know, you don't want to it up either.
		You have one moment to take a shot.
		That's even more intense, honestly.
		Like elk hunting with a bow and arrow is even more intense than doing a live comedy special, if you could believe it.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		Wow.
unidentified		Yeah.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		I believe it.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I like things that scare me.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I like things that are scary to do because I think it's good for you.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		Except cocaine.
unidentified		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I don't want to ruin my life.
		That's the problem.
		I just, like I said, I don't hear any success stories from cocaine.
unidentified		No.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		You know, nobody's like, nobody's got like a meth story.
		It's like, man, I started doing meth and I started seeing the world for what it really is.
		Started being more at peace.
		I was living in the moment.
unidentified		You don't hear it.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		Nobody says, right before I invented the hard drive, I did Coke for three days.
unidentified		Right.
unidentified		No.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		No.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I'm not interested in anything that's going to ruin my life, but I'm interested in things that are going to help me grow and help me expand my capacity to do things that are scary.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		Would you do stand up live again?
unidentified		100%.
unidentified		Okay.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I'm thinking about doing my next one live again, too.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I liked it.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		Did you make any mistakes that.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		No.
		I didn't make any mistakes, but I prepared more than I ever prepared before.
		One of the things I did, I listened to my recordings every night and I wrote out my act over and over and over and over again.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		I wrote it out.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I wrote it out both on paper, like hand to paper, and I wrote it out with keys, like typing it on a laptop.
		I did it over and over again.
		I listened to recordings.
		I watched recordings.
		I had way more preparation than I had ever done before for any other show.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		The night that you did it, did you change anything or do anything new?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		No.
		No.
		But I was free.
		I felt very loose.
		Once the show started, I felt like a regular show.
		I didn't, because I was prepared.
		But it's just like a fight.
		Like if you go into a fight and you're like, oh, I should have done more road work, oh, I should have sparred more.
		Oh, I should hit the pads more.
		That's not a good place to be.
		To hope that you could pull it off, you have to be 100% prepared.
		And that's the thing about doing a live show as opposed to usually when I would film a special, I would have four shows.
		So I'd film all four of them and I'd be like, I'll find one of them is going to be great.
		I'll just use that one.
		But when it's just one and the whole world, like millions of people are watching simultaneously, it's very scary.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		Makes you prepare.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it makes you prepare.
		It makes you prepare and it also, it's like it's fucking fun to do something that scares the shit out of you.
		Like, let's go.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		Where did you shoot it?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Go, San Antonio.
unidentified		Okay.
unidentified		Yeah.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		That's cool.
unidentified		Yeah.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I've only done one Netflix.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I barely leave Texas these days.
Skid Row Homeless Institutions 00:06:10
unidentified		Really?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I fucking love it here.
		I love it.
		I love it.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it was amazing when you made the move, man, because that's why I asked you when we first started talking.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		It's like, were you thinking about this in LA, but way back, like 20 years ago?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I was thinking 20 years ago about getting out.
		I moved to Colorado for a little while in 2009.
		But for legal weed?
		No, no, no, no.
		I just wanted to get out.
		I just wanted to try, but I went too crazy.
		I got a house in the mountains that was 8,500 feet above sea level.
		It was like, it was too much.
		But when I came back to LA, I always had this thing like, eventually I got to get out of here.
		First of all, I always thought LA is 100% going to have a massive earthquake one day.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Like a massive earthquake where everything fucks up and falls apart.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		You lived through the North Ridge earthquake, though.
unidentified		I didn't.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Oh.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I came to California right after it happened.
unidentified		Okay.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		And when I got there, like parts of one of the freeways was collapsed on the other one.
		I was like, this is nuts.
		The freeways fall down here.
		This is crazy.
		So I feel like I've always been thinking that there's going to come a time where that place just breaks off and sinks into the ocean.
		And it's just not well run.
		Like the whole thing is like just waiting for one little catastrophe.
		There's very little coordination, very little.
		People don't, they don't, there's not like a sense of community in the greater Los Angeles area like you get in a smaller place.
		Like Austin.
		Austin feels like a small town that has everything you want.
		Whereas LA just feels like a poorly run, bureaucracy driven, chaotic shill game.
		It's like just a shell game of bullshit and money and people just grifting and fucking the homeless situation is nuts.
		Like everything's nuts in LA.
		It's just beyond fixing, I think.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		Here in Austin, a lot of homeless?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Not nearly as many.
		I mean, it's a very small problem.
		You're always going to have homeless people because you're always going to have mental illness.
		You're always going to have drug addiction.
		You're always going to have some people that have problems.
		But in comparison, like, Skid Row is 50 blocks.
unidentified		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		50 blocks.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Five zero blocks of homeless people just outside, just camped out.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		I left a Laker game recently and went through that area.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		It's nuts.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		Broke my heart, man.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		It broke my heart in 2005.
		Yeah.
		I was filming Fear Factor downtown in like 2005.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		Shout out to David Hurwitz.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		You know, Dave.
unidentified		Yeah.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		He was my intern.
		I set him up for you.
		I taught him so you could come and get worms for you.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		That's crazy.
		Yeah.
		We were filming downtown and I went for a.
		I was driving home and I took a wrong turn and all of a sudden I was in Skid Row.
		I was like, this is crazy.
		And this was back then and no one was talking about it back then.
		I was like, there's so many homeless people.
		It's like a zombie movie.
		I remember I came to the set the next day.
		I was like, you guys ever go this way and take a left?
		It's fucking nuts.
		There's so many homeless people.
		Like, and Dave.
		They figured out a way to keep them there.
		They just pushed people there like they started doing it decades ago, where they would take all the problem people out of Los Angeles and Beverly Hills and they would just bring them to downtown and go, You got to stay here.
		And that's what created Skid Row.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		When we were kids, I used to hear about mental institutions.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		We don't have that anymore.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Oh, they shut them down during the Reagan administration.
		That was one of the giant errors of society when they shut down all the mental health institutions and they just let all these people just exist in the street with schizophrenia.
		And just let them do drugs.
		And in some places, give them drugs and give them needles and encourage them to come there and give them money so they could stay on the street.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		Austin loves you, but you ever think about back in the day not leaving California and running for governor?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Fuck that.
		I don't want to be a politician.
		Why would I want that job?
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		It's a terrible job.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		The problem you see, you want to help.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, you ain't helping nothing, man.
		You're going to get killed.
		My help would be to expose all the fraud and lock everybody up, and then they'll wind up killing me.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		Then you'd lose the big money from the rich.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		They're not going to give it to me anyway.
		It's like, I'm not the guy.
		I wouldn't be good at it.
		I wouldn't be good at the job.
		I'd be a good advisor.
		I'd tell people what the people want.
		But no one's going to listen.
		I think politics, what we're talking about with money being involved in it, it's almost inexorably unfixable.
		It's almost impossible to untangle that fucking beehive of chaos.
		So much dirty money involved.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		And if I'm a politician, I'm not going to stop taking this money.
		I'm not going to be first.
		If we all are going to do it, I'm not going to be first.
unidentified		Exactly.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Look at all these congressmen that make $170,000 a year and they're worth $80 million.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		How the fuck did that happen?
unidentified		What did you do?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		And how do you have time to invest?
		Aren't you busy being a congressperson?
		How the fuck do you have all that money?
		You get all that money because you're a grifter.
		They're all grifting and they're all just like doing it sneaky.
		It's red and blue.
		If you look at, we pulled up the numbers of people, whether it's a Democrat or Republican, how many of them are insider trading?
		It's across the board.
		They all have just unexplainable amounts of money.
		It's a dirty fucking business.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		It's not like one of the parties loves money more than the other.
unidentified		No.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		They're all.
unidentified		No.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		See, I get in trouble for that because usually my humor is written around not liking any of them.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		And people want me to take a side.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that's a problem.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		I had a joke in my Netflix special about, you know, the Democrat versus the Republican that was running at that time.
		And it was like, that's like asking me who my favorite Menendez brother is.
		Motherfuckers did not.
unidentified		That's a great joke.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, like, oh, kind of like Lyle.
unidentified		You know?
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		He made it in prison with a Two-phase.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Weren't they trying to get them out recently?
OJ Simpson and Nielsen Demographics 00:07:09
unidentified		Oh, yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Bro, that documentary on them was nuts.
		The docudrama series where they recreated it.
		Oh, my God.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		I love documentaries.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Well, that was a docudrama.
		Like they recreated actors.
		So you don't know how much of it is true, but boy, did they come off like fucking complete psychos.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		I remember for the OJ Simpson scripted doc, they wanted me to come read for OJ.
unidentified		What?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		And I'm like, Yo, how the fuck are you gonna be?
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, you had Judge Ito barking because I'm just too recognizable as me.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Exactly.
		That wouldn't work at all.
		That's crazy.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		I think they chose Kuba Gooding Jr.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
		That's right.
		He actually did a great job in that.
		But what a.
		That story was nuts.
		He was the first famous.
		There it is.
unidentified		Yes.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Wow.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		And that's Kim's dad.
unidentified		Wow.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		That's Mr. Kardashian's second story.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I forgot Travolta's in there too.
		I forgot Travolta's in there.
		Those are fucking so weird when you see famous people pretending to be other famous people.
		Yeah, so odd.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		I do a story in my book about OJ coming to stage 29 at Paramount to whip my ass one time.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		He was angry.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Did you say a joke on the show or something?
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		I booked.
		Is when Naked Gun was out, and I booked Leslie Nielsen.
		And we got a call from OJ's people because he wanted to come on, obviously.
		He was in that movie.
		But the second one, it had legs, so I booked Priscilla Presley, who is a great guest and a lot of history.
		And after that, I get a call from the gate.
		It's OJ Simpson here at the gate.
		He wants to talk to you.
		And he didn't park, he didn't want a space.
		He parked outside the elephant door, stage 29, and wanted me to come out.
unidentified		Uh oh.
unidentified		Yeah.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		And by the way, this is at a time when we didn't know he cut a motherfucker's head off.
unidentified		You know?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Also, at a time we didn't know about CTE.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Which is probably a lot of what OJ was going through.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		A lot of that violent behavior.
unidentified		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		It's probably a lot of CTE.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, man.
		I mean, when you think about it, those days in San Francisco when he couldn't quite cut the way he used to, he was getting hit.
		He was taking head on shots.
unidentified		Oh, yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		And NFL back then was nuts.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I feel bad for him and Junior Seow and some of those guys.
		Junior Seow was trying to scream to us what was going on.
		Right.
		You know, he committed suicide, left a note, made sure he didn't damage his brain with the bullet.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Right, so they could check it out.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		But OJ stopped by and we had a talk.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		So he was mad that you didn't have him on the show?
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, he was a little mad.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		But was it your call?
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		I mean, but by the way, it was my call to just do things that would get numbers.
unidentified		Right.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		You know, well, the.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		The Leslie Nielsen one, I liked him because I saw him someplace with a little thing in his hand to make fart noises.
unidentified		I saw that, yeah.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, so I knew that I would say to him, So you got a big hit here, and he would do it, squeeze the thing.
		And yeah, I was just trying to find the funniest guest.
		And OJ, he told me, he said some shit about, I thought having a black host, things would be different.
		And I'm like, Don't you play the race car.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, settle down.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, yeah.
		Not you, Juice.
		But I ran into him in a club one night.
		I was hanging out with a couple members of New Edition.
		And we're in this club, and he comes over and he gets drunk with us.
		And after we're pretty tanked, Nicole and this gorgeous girl named Faye Resnick, I'll never forget her name, she was beautiful.
		And these two women come over, and I realized, oh, so, because OJ is alone, I realized he was going to places finding her.
		And so she comes over and she says, juice.
		You know, and she's, what do you do?
		You know, and he's just hanging out with these guys.
		And he's, you know, when you're drunk, spit be flying.
		I wasn't drunk enough that I didn't see the spit.
		And so she said, Well, I'm going to be over here with Faye and blah, blah, blah.
		Say something before you leave.
		And so we sit there and talk.
		But he said something that night that blew me away.
		We talked about her, and he said, I still love her.
		I've tried to give her up, and I can't.
unidentified		Wow.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		And that's crazy.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		Not too much later, she was dead.
		That's what, that's around the time, too, I remember.
		Missing the show because one thing that's addictive about the talk show is anything in the news you get to handle it, right?
		And I remember watching a basketball game and seeing the freeway chase with the Bronco, and I was like, I want a monologue tomorrow.
		You know, I couldn't believe I didn't have a show that night.
		That's the only time I've ever really missed it because most of the time you just go to the store, right?
unidentified		Right?
		Right?
		That's hilarious.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		I wanted to talk to the nation that night.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Well, listen, brother, you had a gigantic impact on culture, you really did.
		Your show was amazing.
		You know, you've been an incredible life.
		And I'm really happy to hear that you're happy now and just enjoying life.
		You know, and you look fucking fantastic for 70.
		That's amazing.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		Thank you, man.
		I appreciate you inviting me.
		This is one of those shows.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Next time you're going to come to the club.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Next time you're in town.
unidentified		I've got to.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Just let me know.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		The show is a little bit different.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		But I can't believe I look at the mothership behind you, the neon mothership.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		That was actually before the mothership was made.
unidentified		Oh.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, this was six years old, this sign.
		We got this sign.
		My friend Brigham got me this when I first moved to Austin.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		So, what did the spaceship mean before there was a club to you?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I'm just a UFO fanatic.
		Oh, okay.
		I've always been obsessed.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		Because that looked like some shit.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		I went to a Parliament Funkadilic concert where they landed in some shit like that, and George Clinton came out and sang One Nation Under a Groove.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
unidentified		Wow.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I've just always been obsessed.
		That's all it is.
		But next time you're in town, you're coming.
		Promise?
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely.
unidentified		All right.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		I'll come.
		I won't be in town.
		I'll figure out a way to hit you.
		And say, Siri, Joe, I'm coming.
unidentified		Let's go.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		And I'll be hearing.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		Thanks for doing this, man, because your demographic reads.
unidentified		And I know I sold some books today.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, tell everybody the name of your book.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		Oh, is it out right now?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		We had a long ass meeting about that.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		Do we call it things that make you go, hmm, a life that makes you go, hmm, do we call it, hmm, hmm, h There you go.
unidentified		All right.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		Art department threw some AI on me.
arsenio hall ▲ ● ▼		I'm 35 in the picture.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		You're 35 right now.
unidentified		All right.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Appreciate you, brother.
		Thank you, dog.
		Bye, everybody.

Chapters

00:00:02 Alcohol vs. Pre-Prepared Material
00:14:46 Adderall Productivity and Exhaustion
00:21:39 Ambien and the Out of It Friend
00:26:47 Richard Pryor and First Condo Memories
00:29:44 Business Manager Charges and Complexity
00:33:33 Johnny Gill Pricing Discrepancies
00:48:09 Two Party System Compromises
00:54:20 Corporate Money Politics and Fighting Back
01:05:20 Saturday Morning Corporate Dances
01:20:33 Predatory Record Contracts and Ownership
01:36:03 Stage Bathrobes and Arrests
01:51:00 Latchkey Kids and Resilience
02:02:33 1970 Chevelle and Teenage Adventures
02:17:40 Jazz Musicians and Changing Outfits
02:30:44 Finding Your Own Show Format
02:34:31 Live Shows and Flowing Conversations
02:39:07 Skid Row Homeless Institutions
02:45:17 OJ Simpson and Nielsen Demographics