The Joe Rogan Experience - Joe Rogan Experience #2458 - Matt McCusker

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Joe Rogan Experience #2458 - Matt McCusker

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Matt McCusker joins Joe Rogan to debate modern grooming trends—like photo filters and table lights—while critiquing dietary extremes: Rogan’s 17-day carnivore diet failure, Epstein’s suspicious 330-gallon sulfuric acid order, and Florida’s invasive predators (Burmese pythons, aggressive sharks). They dissect stand-up comedy’s stagnation, from outdated headliners to "Kill Tony" open-mic chaos, contrasting forced productivity (Adderall’s 39M U.S. prescriptions) with organic creativity. Altitude training’s endurance boosts and alien theories—including Bob Lazar’s 1989 Area 51 claims—lead to FCC equal time controversies, like Colbert’s Tallarico interview. The episode questions free will vs. biology (toxoplasmosis, Spalding’s genetic arguments) and pharmaceutical industry biases, from MRSA in UFC fighters to Epstein-linked research manipulation, ultimately framing modern science, media, and even comedy as systems riddled with hidden agendas and questionable integrity. [Automatically generated summary]
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Speaker	Time	Text
Fiber And Diarrhea Debate 00:05:36
unidentified		Joe Rogan podcast, check it out!
unidentified		The Joe Rogan experience train by day, Joe Rogan, podcast by night, all day.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		A lot of people have lights on their tables now to light up their face to make them look more pretty.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Really?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, they have like a slight, like a like an opening in the table, and then a light that gets on you so you don't see like the shadows in your face so you don't look shitty.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		I feel like that doesn't, isn't that what you do?
		Like a scary story?
		You put a flashlight under your chin?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, but they're not trying to do that.
		They try to like balance it out.
		Yeah, you look flat.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		That's crazy.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		You look like what you look like.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, you got to give up after a while.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		The weirdest shit is men who use filters when they take pictures.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		That's insane.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		There's comedian men that use filters.
		Really?
		Yes.
		It's very odd.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		How do you know?
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		How do you tell?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		How do you know what they really look like?
		And then you see them and they look like a cartoon.
		Like Netflix does that with their pictures that they use when they promote your special, like the picture of you.
		They'll put that bitch through a filter.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		That makes sense.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		You look so pretty.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		And people see you after the show.
		You're like, you look horrible.
		I didn't know you looked so bad.
unidentified		You look so old.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Thanks, man.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I am so old.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I'm almost 60.
unidentified		Dang.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I know.
		It's crazy.
		I'm 58.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		I'm 40.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Just turned 40.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Those are real numbers.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I know.
		I aged.
		As soon as I had kids, I age like immediately.
		You would have thought I literally gave birth.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, well, it's this lack of sleep.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that's what got me.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		You know what's really good for that?
		Creatine.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		I've been taking it.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, creatine, they say 20 grams a day.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Start like with five and work your way up to 20 and check to see how your butthole holds up because the seal might be loose.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		I've ran this experiment actually.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		20 gets my guts going, man.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Bro, it does.
		It does.
		I don't do 20 in a dose.
		I do 10 in the morning and 10 at night.
		Because I was doing 20 in a dose and it was just like, everybody out of the pool.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		I'm also not convinced diarrhea is bad for you.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		I swear to God, like not shitting for sure, but diarrhea is just like, let's speed this up.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Well, isn't that what is that consumption?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		What is the disease where you can't stop having diarrhea?
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Dysentery.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Dysentery.
		That's it.
		Yeah.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Shit.
unidentified		All right.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Well, if you can't stop having it, sure.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's like you can't digest food.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		It just goes right through you and just shit constantly.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, you shit starve.
unidentified		Yeah.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		That sucks, actually.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that sucks.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Not good.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Once a week, though, that's fine.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		You know what I used to do?
		I used to drink kale smoothies in the morning.
		That was the first thing that I would do.
		I would throw kale and garlic and like apples and shit in a blender.
		And that's what I would drink first thing in the morning.
		And boy, that is just like, that clears the pathway.
		That's like, you know, when you clear your rain gutters of leaves?
unidentified		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		You get a hose on that bitch and you just fucking blow them off the top.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		That's what it's like.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I've done the green drink before.
		It does get you.
		I was vegan for like a month, and that was like the biggest dumps, but I actually got hemorrhoids from being vegan.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Oh, because on the toilet?
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		It was just that the turds were so big.
		I was getting like blown out.
		I got hemorrhoids from being vegan.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Was it taking too long to poop or weren't you just like, it was just spectacular?
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		It was massive, bro.
		Yeah, it was spectacular.
		There were massive bull liners.
		It was like twice a day.
		I was like an adult entertainer, dude.
		I was like, my body just gave out.
		Adult entertainer.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Well, when you think about it, it's all that fiber that your body doesn't process.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		But they say that that's what's good for keeping you clean, you know?
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		The fiber pushes everything out.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		I'm back on the fiber train now.
		I was all about protein.
		Now I'm like, yeah, I need my fiber now.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		It's hard to know who's right because the carnivore people are like, you don't need fiber.
		There's no need for fiber.
		But then there's like, there's evidence that fiber's good for you.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		Isn't that what your whole microbiome needs to like make the germs or whatever that are good for your brain?
		I don't know.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I get confused as well, but my balance is I eat a lot of kimchi.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I really like kimchi.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		That's a move.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I eat that stuff all the time.
		Kimchi and I eat sauerkraut.
		That stuff's legit.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I know that stuff's supposed to be good for you.
		But yeah, I tried the carnivore and it was like first five days I felt cool.
		And then like after I think I made it to 17 days, I was like, dude, if I just ate some vegetables with this, I'd be the healthiest guy in the world.
		Because it would just like, I stopped pooping.
		Like, I was like, this can't be good for me.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Well, you don't poop much because there's no fiber.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		So when you do poop, it's just boop.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		I remember just all the rabbit pellets.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		And you're like, where's the rest?
		But I mean, isn't that a good thing?
		Doesn't it mean your body absorbed all of the food instead of like having all this undigestible stuff go through your digestive tract?
		This is the argument that the carnivore people.
unidentified		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I don't want anybody that's a nutritionist right now pulling their hair out.
		Disinformation.
		I'm just asking.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		It's a solid question because it's like, yeah, does food, does meat get stuck in your body and you need plants to push it out of your butt or will meat come out of your butt just like plants will?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Well, that was the thing that they would always say: that every man when he dies has a pound of undigested meat in his stomach.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Apparently, that's not true.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that was the old thing about John Wayne.
		Like, John Wayne had 50 pounds of beef jerky in his butthole.
		I've like thought about that since I was a little boy.
		I've been wondering, like, how much are they going to find in me?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that's true.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		That's not the case.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		No, John Wayne just had a gut from probably beer.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		You know, beer and pasta and bread.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		True.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		And, you know, normal American food.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Also, he was, I mean, when was, what was his heyday?
		Like 50s, 60s or 60s?
		I guess 60s, 70s, maybe.
Baby Powder Controversy 00:03:13
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		When did he do that Genghis Khan movie?
		That's what killed him.
		What year was that?
jamie vernon ▲ ● ▼		50s, I think.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, because it's like those dudes weren't on like true grit.
unidentified		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Those days, yeah.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Dude, they weren't being like, oh, how much fiber have I had there?
unidentified		No.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, they were.
		That was even in like the 90s.
		The dude didn't think about what they're eating.
jamie vernon ▲ ● ▼		56.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		56?
unidentified		Wow.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		That's one of the worst movies of all time.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		You ever see it?
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		No.
		This Genghis Khan movie?
		How did it kill him?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Oh, he filmed it in the same area where Nevada was doing their nuclear tests.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Everybody got cancer.
unidentified		Damn.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Like the whole crew, like a giant number of people got cancer.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		And Tony, that was back when guys would be like, nuclear bomb.
		I don't care about it.
		Like, they didn't care.
		Like, I used to work with guys that do asbestos back in like the 90s when I was little.
		Me and like my dad and my uncle's all day construction.
		So we were like taking this barn down.
		And I was like a little boy, just like hammering nails into an A-frame.
		And they shut it down because there was asbestos in there.
		And there's this guy who was like, dude, your uncle's a pussy.
		I'd eat that shit for breakfast.
		I don't care about asbestos.
		And it's like, I don't know.
		Now I grew up, I'm like, damn, thank God they shut that down.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Well, there were so many things that caused cancer that no one knew about at the time.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Like, how about baby powder?
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, dude.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		I didn't know about that either.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Well, the thing is, what I think what the story is, is that where they mine the talc, that the talc is not always pure, and the talc has other stuff mixed in it, and they don't filter that stuff out.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Is it asbestos that it's mixed with?
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		I thought that stuff was cornstarch.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I'm not into perplexity, please.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		I thought it was cornstarch.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		What?
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Baby powder?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Baby powder?
unidentified		No.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		So it's talc.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Talc, I believe.
		Evidence of small but real cancer risk with some talc-based baby powders, mainly due to genital use and possible asbestos contamination.
		Yeah, that's it.
		But the data are mixed, and the absolute risk for any one person is low.
		Talc itself as a mineral can be mined near asbestos, so contamination is the main worry.
		Asbestos is a known cause of mesothelioma, mesothelioma, and other cancers.
		Yeah, quite a few women.
		I think there was a lawsuit.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		I remember hearing that.
		I remember I was dismayed because that was like, I had a weird thing when I was younger.
		I used to use baby powder to masturbate.
unidentified		Yo.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Because it just like makes everything feel so.
		So it was kind of nice.
		And the smell, if I smell baby powder to this day, it's like a trigger for me.
unidentified		Yeah.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		If I smell it, I'm like, god damn, bro.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Take that shit away from me.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Well, I used to use it a lot to play pool.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, everybody used baby powder.
		You use baby powder on your fingers.
		It makes the shaft slide through your fingers.
		But then they invented gloves.
		And so that keeps the table clean.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		This is like, I guess they're, I don't know what they're made out of.
		It's like a nylon, like a very thin nylon.
		So it's not getting constant slick.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, but baby powder, no bueno.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		What else?
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		They're saying LED lights now.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		That's what I keep hearing.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		LED.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		They're saying like it kills your mitochondria.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		These LED?
		Are these LED?
		Fuck, do we have to change our lights?
		Are we dying in here?
unidentified		What is that?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		LED lights and what?
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		I think they like crush your mitochondria.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Oh, geez.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		I don't know if I just get scared by AI clips on Instagram.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Bro, I'm scared of everything.
		I have to fucking stay offline.
		I know.
		I'm reading too much of the news and it's overwhelming me.
		Like sometimes at nighttime, I can't wind down.
Epstein's Final Days 00:13:09
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		It's just like there's too much news.
		It's too much fucking madness.
		We're about to go to war with Iran.
		I know.
		Everyone's eating beef jerky and pizza.
		Like, what are these files?
		What the fuck is pizza?
		You know, how far does this go?
		How come this never got released before?
		Like, what is happening?
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		I mean, my thing is, like, I'm not.
		First of all, the news for me is like, aside from all the disastrous wars, it's just so like negative.
		When you read the news, it's mostly people being like, guess who's a giant piece of shit?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Right.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		You read that over and over and you get like addicted to being like, yeah, that guy sucks.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		I'm good.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Well, there was an article that I read recently about people being addicted to outrage.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I mean, it's a real thing.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Oh, for sure.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Being addicted to being upset about stuff and addicted to outrage.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		You go search for it, which is why your algorithm shows you all that shit.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		No, I mean, I don't know if this is true, but I feel like they watch your facial expression through your phone camera and feed you stuff if you're making like interested or outrage or whatever.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I wouldn't be shocked.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		I've heard they like track your eyeball movement and they're like, okay, this is holding his eyes and they just keep feeding you.
unidentified		Really?
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		I've heard that.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Probably put a piece of tape over that bitch.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		I know.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I know.
		I wonder if you did, how much would change?
		That'd be an interesting experience.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Well, they got your mic too, so they got your audio.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		That's true.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		But yeah, the new dude, that, yeah, all that Epstein shit is like, I can't follow it.
		It's too much.
		It's too many names.
		I don't know state representative.
		They're like naming all these people.
		It's like, damn, I wish I knew who that was.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		And it's dark, too.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		It's horrible.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		And it goes so high.
		There's so many levels to it.
		You know, Sager and Yeti was just on Flagrant and they were reading off files and talking about, and it's just like, what the fuck, man?
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, you need to study all day to like follow it.
		Prince Andrew's crazy.
		Him getting arrested.
		He's the first.
		What other prince has gotten?
		It must have been like not since 500 years ago.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, when was the last time a prince was arrested?
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		I have no idea.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		And also, he's, if he goes to jail, if he goes to real jail, he's getting clapped.
unidentified		Yeah.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		He's a known, you know, it's very, very likely he was a pedophile.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		If pedophiles go to jail.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Well, what do they know that they're putting him in jail first or they're arresting him first?
		Like, what do they know?
		Because they did a bunch of things, right?
		The first thing they do is they stripped him of his princehood, right?
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Exactly.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		And then they banished him to some estate somewhere on the country.
		And then they removed him from the estate.
		They kicked him out of that state.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		So it's been like levels upon levels.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		So what do they know?
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		I think the royal family gets to see the real deal.
		So they probably saw the real deal and were like, bro, you're fried.
		You're going to jail.
		And he might be the first.
		He might get like clapped in jail.
unidentified		Jesus.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Someone might get royal.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Royal asshole.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, he might get royal fucking pussy.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Don't you think they have him in?
		Did they have protective custody?
		For sure.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		He'll be in productive custody for sure.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Do they have that over there?
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		They'll probably make a jail for him.
		I would imagine they do.
		I think anything we have here, I would imagine they have protective custody.
		Because if you're even, if people even think you're a pedophile in jail, they're going to.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Do you think that starts like a whole cascade and then a bunch of other people start getting arrested?
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		No, I think they're going to hang him up and be like, we got him.
		I don't believe that all these billionaires are going to let themselves get arrested.
		They have billions of dollars.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Paris prosecutors opened two new Epstein-linked investigations.
		Uh-oh.
		With who?
jamie vernon ▲ ● ▼		There was, I think it's the Jean-Luc guy who's a co-conspirator.
		He was also dighted.
		He died in custody in jail.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		God damn it, not again.
jamie vernon ▲ ● ▼		So they reopened the investigation on that.
unidentified		And somebody else, I think, that they just found out that was high up in how did he die in jail?
jamie vernon ▲ ● ▼		I don't.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Officially?
unidentified		Yeah.
jamie vernon ▲ ● ▼		There you go.
jamie vernon ▲ ● ▼		He was found dead.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Just found dead.
		Oh, he died.
		How old was he?
unidentified		At the time of it, it was fun.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		And also the.
jamie vernon ▲ ● ▼		1976.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Oh, that's about the time dudes like that die.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
jamie vernon ▲ ● ▼		But they didn't ever.
jamie vernon ▲ ● ▼		There's a probe, and I think they've reopened the probe also.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Of how he died?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		That's going to be a tough one to solve.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		You're going to have hit some roadblocks.
		I wouldn't be surprised if somebody whacked him.
		We were just talking about the guy that Epstein was in jail with, which is crazy.
		Like, if Epstein is alive, some people think he's alive.
		Some people think they scooted him out of his cell, switched a body double, killed that guy.
		But why would they put him in jail with that gigantic cop who was a contract killer?
		That fucking guy.
		That's one picture.
		Show me the picture of the tank top picture.
		That's the one.
unidentified		Whoa.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Bro, look at the size of that guy.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		And this guy was a cop, who was a dirty cop who was killing drug dealers.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		I mean, maybe that was the plan.
		Be like, all right, we'll put him in here.
		It'll sound good if this guy kills him.
		Like, oh man.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		And then 18 days before he died, he complained that his cellmate tried to kill him.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		What?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		See if we can find him.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		The different guy?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		No, Epstein did.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		No, I'm saying, was he complaining about the murderous cop or is this a different guy?
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		That's crazy, dude.
unidentified		Dude, that's crazy.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Also, how did he try to kill him and not kill him?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		That's what I was just going to say.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		What the fuck are you talking about?
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Epstein slipped away and just like sat in the corner.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I mean, maybe he screamed loud enough and the guards came.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, but they would say that.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		The night Jeffrey Epstein claimed his cellmate tried to kill him.
		So he laid in a fetal position on the floor of his jail cell, unresponsive with an orange fabric news.
		Oh, this is when they found him.
		18 days before Epstein's death, he wasn't breathing.
		His eyes were opening.
		Oh, so this was when they found him.
		Oh, so they did find they found him in the fetal position?
		Oh, no, this was the orange fabric news.
		That's when they found him dead.
		Okay.
		18 days before Epstein.
		No.
		Okay.
		So it is saying that.
		So it's saying that he had an orange noose tied around his neck 18 days before he died.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		What?
unidentified		What?
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		What the fuck?
unidentified		What?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		So July 23rd, 2019, 18 days before Epstein's death, he wasn't breathing, his eyes opening and shutting occasionally, but he wouldn't or couldn't respond to officers' questions and commands.
		According to a confidential corrections officer's memo obtained by CBS News, they hoisted inmate 76318054 onto a stretcher.
		Officials have repeatedly said Epstein's death, eventual death by suicide was foreshadowed by this earlier alleged attempt.
		Former Attorney General Bill Barr reiterated that claim in an August closed-door deposition before the House Oversight Committee, which released the interview transcript last week.
		Barr, who did not reply to questions from CBS News, said in his testimony he knew about the July 23rd incident, which he viewed as an attempted suicide.
		Barr said he considered it indicative of Epstein's state of mind.
		But jail staff memos, other never-before-reported documents obtained by CBS News, as well as interviews with more than a dozen people who interacted with Epstein before and after the incident reveal a murkier picture than the one depicted by Barr.
		The new documents have surfaced amid persistent speculation over Epstein's death, despite official conclusions that he died by suicide.
		So he's laying on the floor and his bunky is screaming, I did nothing.
		I banged on my door to get him out of my cell, the source said.
		Corruptions officers carried Epstein to his cell on a different floor as he remained unresponsive.
		Was it the same cop, the contract killer cop?
		Yep, right?
		He told them he thought he'd been attacked by his cellmate, an ex-cop, who was awaiting trial on four murders.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		But they're saying that was an attempted suicide?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Well, they tried to frame it as an attempted suicide.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		No, I would imagine he doesn't have a way to contact the outside world and thus tweet about this.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Right?
		He can't make an Instagram video.
		Hey guys, this guy's trying to fucking kill me.
		He sat up on the bed and began telling me that he thinks his bunky tried to kill him.
		A responding officer wrote in one memo.
		A senior officer wrote in a separate incident report that Epstein initially implicated his cellmate in the incident, claiming he had previously said things that made Epstein feel threatened.
		So Nicholas Tartaglion, his cellmate, repeatedly disputed the initial allegation.
		I did nothing.
		And said he tried to revive him.
		I tried to revive him.
		As with Epstein's eventual death, any camera footage of the incident was either mislaid, lost, or never captured by the facility's faculty faulty system, rather.
		Tartaglion has not responded to emailed questions from CBS News.
		How odd.
		His lawyer said Epstein's initial claim that Tartaglione tried to kill him was flatly not true.
		Well, okay.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		So maybe he did try to, I mean, you know, there's a chance he did try to kill himself and was like, shit, I don't want to get him.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		And then his guy saved him.
		He said he saved him.
		So it says it right here.
		Scroll back up a little bit.
		Tartaglione said in a recent interview, that Epstein also left a suicide note and it even offered Tartaglion money to kill him.
		What?
		Neither of those details, if true, are referenced in any of the Bureau of Prison records that were reviewed by CBS News.
		So as we scroll up higher, it says he said he saved his life the first time.
		So it's saying that he saved his life.
		He yelled when the guy his attorney says.
unidentified		Yeah, yeah.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Like he's saying he tried to kill himself once.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, but that's just his attorney saying that.
		Yeah, for sure.
		Epstein claimed to both corrections officers and the source that he felt threatened by Tartaglion, hulking retired cop turned drug dealer who was charged and later convicted for four murders.
		Just how could you take the most high-profile defendant ever and put him in a cage with a murderer?
		Take that part.
		His bunky told him that if he beat him up because of Epstein's child sex trafficking charges, the officers would not report it.
		Oh, that's what he told them.
		The wealthy, allegedly, the wealthy former financier told jail officers that he believed Tartaglion was trying to extort money from him and stated that if he didn't pay him, that he was going to beat him up.
		The officer wrote, he stated that this has been going on for a week.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Then that guy saying Epstein was trying to pay me to kill him for himself.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		You would think they could find a middle ground, man.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Well, someone's lying.
unidentified		Yeah, I know.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		That's the craziest line.
		There's too many plot holes.
		There's no way.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Imagine him saying, I'll pay you to kill me.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		Also, it's like, wait, how are we going to do that?
		How are we going to work this all out?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, the guy's already in.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Well, that would, and then what's he going to do with the money?
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Exactly.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		How's he going to get the money?
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		I guess you can give it.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		If you know somebody, you know, you love, you can give it to them.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Right.
		Does he have money or does all of his money go to the victims' families?
		Like, he killed four people.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Shit, he might be right.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Right?
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		So it would have to be like an offshore account that, like, get slipped over to the prison so he could buy cigarettes.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		If anyone can do it, if anyone can do it, it's Jeffrey Epstein, man.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		But it would have to be worked out in advance.
		Like, you would have to have the cigarettes in the commissary.
		Okay.
		Time to kill you.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Dude, it's too, you know, I think it's just one of those things.
		I don't know if people can, you know, want to wrap their heads around it, but there's just people who do things in this world on behalf of Uber billionaires that were just never going to know what's going on for sure.
		They do horrible, terrible secret stuff.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		And they always have.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		This is the thing.
		If, like, if you go throughout history, there's always been secret societies and people that get together with creepy meetings.
		All that eyes wide shut shit that Qbert put in his film.
		That's not, he's not imagining that.
		No, that's always been a thing.
jamie vernon ▲ ● ▼		The officer that discovered his body dead in August was originally charged with falsified documents related to his death, but those charges were dropped.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Hmm.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I wonder what the falsifying of the documents was.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		I don't know.
		I don't know.
		Who knows?
		Maybe people charged it to try to open up the paperwork or whatever.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Here it is.
		Because Epstein was on Suicide Watch after the July 23rd incident, Thomas was required to record a log of observations about Epstein in 15-minute increments.
		Those notations were released by the Bureau of Prisons in 2023, along with just one entry he made in the log, a note made at 2.15 a.m., 45 minutes after the incident.
		15 minutes later at 2.30, Thomas wrote, inmates sitting on bed trying to remember what happened.
		Huh.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, man.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		So this is when he got attacked, the first time that he survived.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Huh.
jamie vernon ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, they claim once he got into the separate cell, he was trying to fall forward on his head or something, sat on the edge of the bed and began moving forward as if he was tending to fall over headfirst.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Huh?
jamie vernon ▲ ● ▼		He was told to stop, don't do it again, and he gave a thumbs up.
jamie vernon ▲ ● ▼		That's how they confirm he was trying to commit suicide.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		So he's going to try to commit suicide by falling straight on his head?
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		That's impossible.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		That's literally impossible.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		You might be able to pull it off.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		That's crazy.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		You would block for sure.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Right.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		There's no way you can just do a sale.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		I was like thinking about this the other day.
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matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		I was walking off my steps.
		I was like, even if I tried, I couldn't do like a swan dive onto the cement.
		Your body wouldn't let you do it.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, you would resist just enough to be paralyzed for the rest of your life.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		You would get fucked up for sure.
unidentified		I don't know.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		I think you would just kind of flatten out and flail.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, because guys die all the time in street fights when they get knocked out and then they fall and they hit their head on the concrete.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Dude, it didn't die all the time.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		It happened before I left Philly a year or so ago.
		There's a guy just walking his dog off leash.
		This guy was like, put your dog on leash.
		They got into work.
		They started arguing and a guy punched him and he hit his head and died.
		And then my brother went on an online date with the fiancé of the guy who died and like learned throughout the date, like, oh, shit, you're a lady he was married.
		It was pretty fucking sad, actually.
unidentified		Oh.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		He like put it together and he's like, oh, fuck, he died.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		That sucks.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		How long after that was the date?
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		I think it was maybe a year and a half.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		It'd been some time.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Long enough to stop the crime.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I mean, you got to pick it up at one point.
		Especially if you die like that, man.
		Got punched on a dog walk and died.
unidentified		I don't know.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		If I was a walk with a helmet and Jelly, if I was a lady, I'd be like, oh, fuck, I dodged a bullet.
		Husband could have just died.
		Yeah, that's scary, though, man.
		Yeah, the whole thing of like altercations and people popping off to each other anymore.
		It's just like, I was walking down the street recently and, you know, I had the right of way.
		I walked and I didn't even like rush in front of the car.
		The car pulled up and was like, get the fuck out.
		He threatened to shoot me in the face.
		I was just like, what the hell, man?
		Yeah, it was like he had pulled off far enough.
		He's like, I'll shoot you in your fucking face.
		And I was just like, please don't.
		Like, you know, the fuck, man.
		What are you doing?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Bro, you never know who's unhinged.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		I know.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		You never know what's going on in that life.
		The divorce, fucking this, that, just got fired, about to go to jail.
		Who knows?
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Who knows?
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Dude, yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Best friend was fucking your wife.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Could be literally anything.
		Yes.
		And like, I never, it's like, yeah, whatever, man.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		So many people are barely hanging on out there, doing something all day they hate.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Just fucking tired.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Life's in a shambles.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Dude, I don't, and especially like people just talk shit to strangers.
		Like, you have no idea who that person is.
		I don't know if, you know, who knows if this is like just like an old construction worker tale, but my dad was telling me some guy he knows, his mom or whatever, or like, you know, his friend's mom was at the grocery store.
		Someone back, they like both going for a parking spot.
		It was like an old lady, and the guy was like, fucking bitch, get the hell out, blah, blah, blah.
		Started cursing her out.
		Her son came out of jail for like, you know, like he was like a biker, all this stuff.
		And they all like knew each other in the neighborhood.
		Apparently, the guy who had like cursed out the mom, they were like, nobody ever saw him again.
		So if that's true, it's like, gee, I always think about that.
		I'm like, dude, that's, you know, you just can't be, you shouldn't yell at an old lady anyway, but you just have no idea who you're dealing with.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Right.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Just might as well chill.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		That was one of the creepier things about the Epstein emails or the files, the data, was that he ordered 330 gallons of sulfuric acid after he'd been indicted.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		What does that do?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Dissolves bodies.
		Oh, no.
		Yeah.
		So they were trying to speculate that like maybe that was for his desalination system that he had.
		He had like a water system that you need some sulfuric acid cleans it out.
		But then Jamie looked into it.
		He had only ordered it like once before ever, but never that much.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		That's terrible.
		Also, he lives near the oceans.
		Like, why wouldn't you just go in the ocean?
		Just you got to get rid of bodies.
		You live on an island.
		You just go out the water.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, but they could find it.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I guess so.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, they might find it.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		You can't have that.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		True.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Especially if it's enough that you need a bunch of acid.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Do they have a lot of sharks down there?
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		I would think.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		Like the Bahamas, right?
		It's like Bahamas area.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I would think.
		There's like sharks in Florida.
		I was just in.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Florida's a lot of sharks, especially bull sharks.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, exactly.
		I was swimming.
		I brought my friend with me to do shows, and he was like, I'm worried about sharks.
		I'm like, there's no fucking sharks out here.
		We got back and the Uber driver was like, yeah, this is like shark season right now.
		I was like, oh, fuck, my bad.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Shark season?
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		I think it's the bull sharks.
		They see them all the time down there.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Bullsharks are scary.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		They're the ones that they think are responsible for the murders in New Jersey that inspired Jaws.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Really?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		How big do they get?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		They don't get as big as great whites, but the thing about them is they could swim in fresh water.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		So those murders, that murders, those deaths by shark in New Jersey in like the early 1900s, they were in a river.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		What?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		So these people were swimming in a river and they got killed by sharks.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, you would never expect it either.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Bullsharks are like very aggressive, too.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Are they really?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Super aggressive.
		There's the Florida Keys, like guys fish off the piers down there.
		And it's really great fishing.
		But if you catch a big fish and you're struggling to get it on the line, most likely a shark's going to kill it.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Really?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, most likely you're going to get it bitten in half.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		There's like tons of videos of guys pulling in fish and the shark just snaps it in half while they're pulling it in.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		That's terrifying.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		They're all over the place down there.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Dude, I went to Turks and Kegos.
		Me and my family went down there, my kids.
		We went snorkeling.
		And the guy takes us out and he's like, hey, we like, you know, got in the area where we're going to jump in.
		He's like, hey, there's some baby sharks out there.
		You know, but they're not going to bother you.
		I'm like, fuck the fucking.
		And I have like, I've had like two and a four-year-old with me.
		So I jump in.
		I'm like, let me suss it out.
		I'm going to go see.
		Dude, I go down and like, these were like, you know, they weren't like 18-foot sharks, but they were like five, six, they were like big enough, but they were 40.
		It was like probably 40 feet deep.
		And then they were like at the bottom, but then another 50 feet away.
		And I was like, bro, I'm not bringing my kids in here.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I'm trying to find this video that my friend Adam sent me of sharks in Florida.
		Because I always give him shit.
		He lives in Australia.
		And I always give him shit.
		Like, bro, you live in a place that's filled with monsters.
		What the fuck are you doing?
		Because it's true.
		Florida has a lot, but Australia has more.
		Australia has saltwater crocodiles.
		They have great whites.
		But he sent me this video.
		It's like, this is in America, mate.
		And it's these guys are throwing.
		God, I can't find it.
		These guys are throwing fish into the water.
		I'm not going to find it.
		They're throwing fish into the water right next to the shore.
		And it's just sharks, like piranhas, just smashing.
		And they're like off a dock.
		Dude, they're just like throwing fish scraps in there.
		And the fish, the sharks are apparently used to it, I guess.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		That's terrifying.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Dude, I'm.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Oh, here it is.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I found it.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Nice.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Here, hold on.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I'll send it to you, Jamie.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Dude, dolphins.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		You ever see a dolphin in real life?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		They're scary as hell.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Those things are huge.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I swam with them.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		I did it too.
		I was in Mexico and I thought I was going to be like, you know, gliding on two of them.
		I was like barely wanting to touch this thing.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I did it in Hawaii.
		You jump off the boat and you snorkel and you get to see them swimming under you.
		It's really wild.
		Check this out.
		So these guys throw these scraps in the water.
		Look at these sharks.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		God damn.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Look at these things fight for the how crazy is that?
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Look at these things fight for this.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Look how many of them there are.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that's bro.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		That's crazy.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Mad, look how big they are.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, more than big enough to take your legs off.
unidentified		Go ahead, Dick Wagon.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Throw it in.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Go ahead, Dick Wagon.
unidentified		Why?
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		I'd be so mad if I was his neighbor.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		I'd be like, dude, I'm trying to paddleboard, man.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Well, I think this is just what they do every day, which is why the sharks are there in the first place.
		I think when these guys get there, you know, when they fillet the fish, they have the bodies.
		They just tuck the body overboard and these sharks just destroy it.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		How spooky is that?
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		It's terrifying, dude.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		That's Florida.
		That's crazy.
		Florida's Marco Island.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I don't know.
		Where is that?
		Where's Marco Island?
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		It's probably the Keys.
unidentified		Probably.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		That's fucking awful.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Florida's filled with monsters.
		Like that whole thing that they're doing with ICE, where they've got that alligator guantanamo.
		You know, they built a guantanamo for detainees and then they surrounded it with alligator country.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Like a cartoon moat?
unidentified		Yeah.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		That's crazy.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Check this out.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Okay, so where is it?
jamie vernon ▲ ● ▼		It's like opposite of Miami on the.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Oh, okay.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Okay, so it's not, it's not the Keys.
		It's just Florida.
		Crazy.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Damn.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		So they have like a classical moat with alligators around it.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Well, it's not essentially a moat.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Was it an island, I guess?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		How did they do it?
		Did they build an island down there?
		Is that what they did?
		Somebody got a sweet contract to put that in there.
		Calling it alligator.
		Yeah, they call it alligator Alcatraz.
		What does it look like?
		Can you show us?
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Damn, dude.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Alligators in Florida everywhere.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		They say there's not a standing body of water that doesn't have an alligator.
unidentified		I know.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		My friends were just at Disney World and they said they got a they're like, is there alligators around here?
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Like, yeah, we flush them out all the time.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		One killed a kid a few years back.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		I heard about that.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Just reached up and just snagged.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Bro, imagine you're a little toddler at Disneyland, just saw Cinderella having a good time.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		That's got to be fast pass.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		That's fast pass for life, though, for the family.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		So that is all the Everglades.
		And the Everglades is just filled.
		Like, if you go walking, like, I'm out of here.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Fuck that.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Like, something's probably going to get you.
unidentified		No.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		The Everglades are so fucked because it's not just the alligators, it's also the pythons.
		There's giant python AI so ruthless.
		That's fucking alligators with ice hats on.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Dude, the pythons are another because they catch you while you're sleeping.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		So you lay down to sleep and you just wake up and you're just are there more pythons in the Everglades than there are anywhere in the world?
		No because there's a half a million of them.
		They think.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Did you ever hear about Snake Island in Brazil?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		No.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Dude, there's an island in Brazil that I guess whatever, you know, tectonic plates or whatever moved.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		And it used to be connected to the mainland and went out and all the snakes just got stuck on there with no natural predators.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		So they just eat each other?
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, they just fight and eat each other.
		And there's, dude, there's apparently a snake.
		Like every meter you move, there's at least one snake.
unidentified		What?
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Dude, the images are fucking terrifying.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		They're like just piled on top of each other.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		There are not more pythons in the Everglades than anywhere else.
		The Burmese python's native range in Southeast Asia from India to Indonesia supports far larger wild populations.
		Though exact numbers are hard to quantify due to their vast habitat.
		Everglades context: Burmese pythons are invasive species.
		Florida Everglades with estimates ranging from tens of thousands to 300,000.
		Individuals across southern Florida concentrated in Everglades National Park where their density is notably high.
		Population exploded from a few snakes in the 90s to enveloping much of the region by the 2020s, driven by the release from pet trade and events like Hurricane Andrew.
		Yeah, they had Hurricane Andrew apparently blew down a facility where they were studying pythons.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		No, that's how they got out.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		A bunch of them got out.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		And then there's also people with pets, just assholes in death metal bands.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, they just dropped them.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, they just dropped them.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		That's how we there's what I call it, parakeets here.
		They're like, they're an invasive species, and they think that happened too.
		Someone just like let their parakeets.
		Now they're a problem here.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		That's iguanas in Florida, too.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		You know, they sell canned iguana meat in Florida now.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Really?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, a buddy of mine lives in Florida.
		He just sent me this.
		He sent me, he was at the supermarket, and they have iguana meat.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Probably not bad.
		Dude, I'm telling you, the Snake Island, I was like, I thought it was fake.
		My wife was telling me about it.
		I'm like, dude, you got tricked.
		This has to be AI.
		I looked it up and it's like, it's a real thing.
		Let me see that iguana meat.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I'm saying that.
unidentified		It would probably be good.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		I've eaten Gator before.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Gator is not bad.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		This might be fake.
jamie vernon ▲ ● ▼		I think it is.
unidentified		God damn it.
jamie vernon ▲ ● ▼		Googling it.
jamie vernon ▲ ● ▼		There's a pizza restaurant that got in trouble for serving it.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Really?
jamie vernon ▲ ● ▼		But nothing else is popping up about cameras.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		They got in trouble for serving it?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Did they tell people they were serving it?
unidentified		I don't think so.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		You know, because people eat them, they hunt them and eat them all the time.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I was watching a YouTube video the other day where this guy was making like stir-fried iguana meat.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Well, they get massive.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		They get massive.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		Yeah.
		And they apparently taste good.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Probably.
		They're aggressive, too.
		If you see them in the wild, they'll like charge after you.
		They're nasty, man.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		They're big.
unidentified		Yeah.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		They're pretty like four or five feet long.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, they're huge.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Those are nuts.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		That was another animal I encountered in Turks and Caicos.
		We did the shark swimming, and I was like, all right, I let them get out of the way.
		And then we went to this island that was just full of iguanas and they'll just run up on you.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Do you know in Florida when it gets really cold, they just fall out of trees?
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		No, that's hilarious.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Because sometimes Florida, it'll dip.
		It'll get into the 30s.
		And these fuckers just fall out of the trees.
		They're just stoned.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		They just freeze and just freeze.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		And then they thaw out and come back to life.
unidentified		What?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
Ancient Creatures and Freezing 00:03:03
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Fuck.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		That's an ancient species.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Like, these are ancient creatures.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Damn.
		So I thought they need the, like, they're cold-blooded and they die.
		So they can just, I guess they can just chill.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Well, so are alligators.
		And alligators freeze in lakes sometimes with their mouths above the water.
		They have their nose and their eyes above the water and they just, they're frozen.
		There's a bunch of images of these guys frozen in lakes.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		I guess everything just slows down and they just chill.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		They don't have to eat for a year.
unidentified		What?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, they can go without eating for a whole year.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		So how much do you think we really have to eat?
		If alligators, bears don't have to eat all winter, alligators can go one year.
		Like, do you think I always think, like, do we have to eat every day?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Well, we definitely eat more than any people have ever had except like royals.
unidentified		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		You know, that's why people are so tiny.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Like, you go back to like the Civil War, the average man was like 130 pounds.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that makes sense.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, because nobody had any food.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		You know, nobody had any protein.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		But if you think about how much we eat morning, noon, and then evening, hunter-gatherers, they got a meal a day.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		You know, like if you got lucky, you had a meal and you ate as much as you could because there's no way to preserve it.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		And then you went out the next day and hoped you got another animal.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that's kind of wild.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		You spent like 6,000 calories a day just trying to get one meal.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, and then other than like drying your meat out, there's no way to preserve it.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		So they would make jerky or, you know, like I know in Mexico, some friends of mine went down there and they have this traditional way of taking buffalo and they slice it like really, really thin and then they hang it on like a clothes hanger and dry it out.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Really?
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		That's all we need to do.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's what they had to do.
		They had to figure out how to dry stuff because, you know, there's no refrigeration.
		Man, how fucking hard life must have been with no refrigeration?
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Dude, it would suck so bad.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Sucks so bad, man.
		I mean, that's like when you go back to the turn of the century, all the diseases that were happening in America, just think about it.
		No running water.
		Everybody's like shitting in holes in the ground outside the houses.
		There's no ventilation.
		There's no air conditioning.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah, you were.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		No vitamins.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Especially here.
		How do people live in Texas?
		Hard.
		I've been reading.
		It must have been crazy.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Hard people.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Hard fucking people.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		I've been reading Western.
		I'm reading Lonesome Dove right now.
		It's like an old classic Western, and they just talk about how hot they are all day long.
		It's just dust in their face.
		And it's like, dude, that shit would suck.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Especially if you don't live near a lake so you can cool off a little bit.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		Oh, no.
		There's like, yeah, they have like a spring house.
		And every time they got to get water, there's just rattlesnakes everywhere near the spring house.
		And it's like, dude, that sucks so bad.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		There's a great book about Texas called Empire of the Summer Moon.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Oh.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		I've heard of that before.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		About the settlers encountering the Comanche.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		You got to think, like, if the Comanche, if this is where they lived and they lived here year-round, like, they had to be the hardest fucking people in the world.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, dude.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		That would be brutal.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Just had to be fucking, just tough as fuck.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Especially when it gets like freezing, too.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		They have like that two weeks where it's super cold.
Vitamin D and Caffeine Effects 00:12:17
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		And yeah, that would be.
unidentified		Yep.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		You never know when it's coming back then either.
		You couldn't prepare.
		Like Texas, like right now it's 80.
		Two weeks ago, it was 30.
		Before that, it was 20.
		Before that, it was 70.
		Like, you don't know when it's coming.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		No.
		I've been here for two years, and I know we're going to get like a solid collective week of real winter.
		And the rest of it's just like 50, 60, 70, 80, 20, 40.
		Yeah, it's kind of cool.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		It's worth it.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I think it's perfect because it gives you just enough cold so you appreciate the warm, just enough, but nothing like where you want to kill yourself.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I agree.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Nothing like there's, you know, Montana winters and Wyoming winters where they last like seven months.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		You're like, I don't know if I want to do it.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Even regular East Coast winter, I couldn't handle it.
		By the time I had left, like, you don't feel the sun for like at least three months.
		And I remember spring, it would finally like come out and it's like, that messes me up.
		Like, I need, I'd rather it be super hot and sunny than be cold.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Because you can just like, you know, just figure out jump in a lake, jump in a pool.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		You can go ahead and do that.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		You know, that's what flu season is all about, too.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		What?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		It's not like the flu emerges in the winter.
		It's just everybody's immune system's low.
		No one has any vitamin D.
		A buddy of mine who was a doctor said that he would do tests on people in New York City.
		And he said so many people would come into his practice that had undetectable levels of vitamin D. What?
		Yeah, because they weren't supplementing at all.
		And they were wearing winter clothes and they were never outside.
		And everybody's sick and they don't know why.
		Well, you're vitamin D depleted.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		That's why in Seattle they have a lot of people go in tanning beds and shit.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		They try to like do something.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Oh, just to get people.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Because tanning beds will give you a natural dose of vitamin D. That's kind of nice.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Apparently, isn't it like a hormone more than a vitamin?
		Yeah, that's what I heard.
		It's like not even just like, you know, vitamin A or BSV.
		It's like something you absolutely need big time.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, a lot of people are saying you should hyperdose it too.
		Like, because the USDA recommended is like 5,000 milligrams.
		A lot of people are saying like 30,000 is what they take every day.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I had to do that for a while because I had low vitamin D, and they were like, you can take as much of this as you want.
		I'm like, so I'm like such a baby with medicine.
		Like, I'm like super sensitive to it.
		It did like absolutely no side effects at all.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		No, it doesn't.
		But for full absorption, I think you're supposed to take it with a bunch of other stuff.
		Like, I think the recommended is I take it with K2, vitamin K2, and magnesium.
		I think there might be one other thing that also helps absorption.
		But like Dr. Rhonda Patrick was on a podcast recently and she was talking about how vitamin D, someone was taking vitamin D, but they weren't showing any improvement.
		She's like, where are you taking it with magnesium?
		So magnesium apparently helps vitamin D get absorbed in your butt.
		Like there's a bunch of those things that like works.
		Like if you, if you take them without any fat or any food, they're not good.
		But then like amino acids, you have to take them on an empty stomach.
		It's like, you got to know what you're doing.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		That's true.
		Yeah, I have like a paste.
		It's like a goop that's like fatty and I just put it on a spoon and take it.
unidentified		What is it?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Just vitamin D?
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it's vitamin D.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		It's like a liposomol thing.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Oh, you put it on a spoon?
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, see, I just eyeball it.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		I'm like, that's probably about right.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I wonder if like liposomol absorbs easier.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Isn't that the whole idea about it?
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		It's paired to a fat and it kind of works.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Right.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I wonder if that you don't need as much, like, or you don't need vitamin D or K2 rather.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Well, I don't know, but I was low and then I'm not now.
		So I'm like, maybe it worked.
		Maybe it was a fact I was outside.
		I don't know.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I'm sure it works.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		It's just like, does it work optimally?
		That's the thing.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		It's like just taking it alone is definitely going to be better than not taking it at all.
		But they think that for maximum absorption.
		What are the things that you should take with vitamin D for put that in perplexity?
		The things you take with vitamin D for maximum absorption.
		It's hard to remember all this stuff, too.
		That's part of the problem.
		Like I'll hear it on a podcast.
		I'm like, yeah, yeah.
		What the fuck did the fuck did Andrew Huberman say?
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I remember I heard Huberman had this thing about cortisol.
		He's like, you need to spike your cortisol early in the morning, which I, you know, if I get up and exercise in the morning, like, yeah, that seems true because I feel good.
		But then I was like, I can't have caffeine anymore.
		I had to get off completely.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Really?
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Dude, I can't have it.
		I'm like super sensitive to it.
		If I had a cup of coffee, what time is it right now?
		If I had a cup of coffee now at 2 o'clock, I would not sleep till midnight.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Is that because you don't drink much of it?
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		You don't metabolize it.
		Oh, my mom, my dad can drink coffee and fall asleep.
		But if my mom has coffee, she's, it just, it like you have it, and I can feel it just in my body for hours.
		And it's just like a non-stop.
		Like, I love caffeine, the mental effects.
		My body just can't stand it.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Have you ever tried nootropics?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Like theanine?
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		I've done it all.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Theanine.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Acetylcholine.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Not acetylcholine, but I've taken L-theanine with it, which helped a little bit, but then I'll just drink more coffee.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		No, I don't mean with coffee.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I mean by itself as like a little bit of a pick-me-up.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah.
		No, I like, yeah, I take L-theanine before I go to sleep.
		I think it kind of helps me sleep.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I hear that too, which is interesting because it helps with your memory.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Like, how does it help with your memory and also help you go to sleep?
unidentified		I don't know.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Here it says, vitamin D is a fat-soluble nutrient, so pairing it with dietary fat maximizes its absorption in the gut.
		Take vitamin D supplements with a meal containing fats for optimal uptake.
		Studies show you can boost serum levels by about 50%.
		Foods like fatty fish, avocados, olive oil, nut seeds, or full-fat yogurt provide these fats effectively.
		Supportive nutrients, magnesium aids in converting vitamin D to its active form and transporting it in the body.
		Vitamin K2 works synergistically to direct calcium to bones, enhancing benefits for bone health.
		Omega-3 fatty acids from fish oil also improve absorption alongside fats.
		All right, so that's it.
		So vitamin D you should take with magnesium and K2 and probably some fish oil.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Nice.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		There you go.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		I was eating it after breakfast, so there we go.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		I was getting my fats.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		But yeah, the caffeine for me, I can't like, you know, everyone's different, but I can't have it.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Like, I have to, I could drink two double espresso and go to sleep.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		That's crazy.
		So here's my thing, too.
		I stopped because I didn't start really drinking caffeine all the time until I had kids.
		But I like, I don't have dreams at night.
		If I drink even coffee during like the day, no dreams at night.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Really?
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		I don't know what it is, man.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		I'm super, super sensitive to it.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Well, a lot of people that stop smoking weed say that they get wild, crazy dreams.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		That happens too.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		That kind of blocks your dreams too.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		But even that, like, I don't know.
		I smoked weed forever.
		And like, I would still kind of have dreams, but it's the caffeine just like completely neutralizes them.
		And then they say that it's like anecdotal, but they say that caffeine, there's anecdotal evidence that it kind of, what is it, like discourages or, you know, whatever it does to your brain.
		You don't do as much divergent thinking.
		It's more like convergent.
		Where like if you need to get like a task, like, all right, I need to edit something.
		Caffeine's great.
		But if you're like, I need to come up with a story idea.
		There's like anecdotal evidence that says like people who are on caffeine report that it like messes up their ability to like just kind of like you know come up with like new or novel ideas.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		That makes sense.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Because you're just hyper-focused on the one thing that you're doing.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Like a low-dose meth.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, pretty much.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		You're like, my friends that have dated girls that have had problems with amphetamines, one of the things they say is they know when they're on it because then they start cleaning the house.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		They start cleaning everything.
unidentified		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		They start getting like hyper-focused on like organizing and cleaning.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Like, that sounds like a good drug.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, what's that?
		It's probably a spaz, though.
		That's probably the backlash.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Well, it's probably they're doing it for 12 hours while they're listening to Slayer.
unidentified		Yeah.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		You're not even talking about Adderall.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		This is them doing like crystal method thing.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I don't know.
		He was saying amphetamines.
		I assume it's like meth.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, amphetamine babe would be not ideal, I don't think.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Well, I've talked to people that have done meth.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		They tell you you feel like you're fucking Superman, but you also like want to get things done.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Really?
		Yeah.
		I've heard that a similar thing about crack where you feel like a genius.
		You smoke crack, apparently.
		You're just like, dude, like, why would I have a refrigerator?
		I can sell it right now and I can just order out to, and like, apparently you're just like the smartest person in your head in the world.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Right.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		And then you just like, it all crashes every 30 minutes.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		It's like free-based cocaine is what all it is.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Like what Richard Pryor was doing back in the day.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		That was just before crack.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		It was free-basing cocaine.
unidentified		Yeah.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		And it's weird too because I think it just like Coke, I think, just floods your brain.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		A lot of things just flood your brain with dopamine.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, but the delivery method, apparently, of crack is superior.
		There's something about smoking it where it just goes right to your head.
		Well, I know this from Hunter Biden.
		Because Hunter Biden was on that Channel 5 show when he was talking about it.
		It's fucking, he was so descriptive of it.
		It almost made you want to try crack.
		It was almost like it was like a romantic tale of like a bad romance that he had to get out of.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		This is a very gentlemanly way to say it's his superior delivery mechanism.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Well, he's very smart, right?
		So he's very articulate.
		He's talking about like what it was like to smoke crack.
unidentified		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		And I was like, holy shit, man.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		And I wonder, I guess he's off of it because I guess like, you know, if you started again, it's probably just another.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Well, there was that baggie they found at the White House, but first of all, it might have been his.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		But also, you think he's the only one of those people doing Coke?
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I was about to say that could be anybody.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Listen, there's probably a lot of those folks that need a little pick-me-up sometimes for a meeting before they have to do a press thing.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Oh, dude.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		You're working 16 hours a day, a little talk.
unidentified		Woo!
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Big time.
unidentified		Let's go.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		I used to work at a real estate company when I was in college.
		Just, you know, they would like buy apartment buildings.
		And, dude, all the senior management were like, they used to buy Adderall off me.
		They would just chomp fucking Adderall.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Come in and just be like, they would do sales meetings and just be like, a friend of mine who's a journalist says that all these journalists are on Adderall.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I believe it.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		It says it makes you productive.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		They're all doing it.
		Some of them are like super open about it.
		Like Dave Portnoy, when he was in here, he was telling us.
		What did he say he took 30 milligrams?
		I don't remember, but yeah.
		It was enough that I was like, yo.
		And then I had to go to Jamie.
		How much is that?
		And Jamie was like, a lot.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		30s, yeah.
		30s.
		That would get you.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		But not a lot if you do it a lot.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Right?
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, you would get it.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		That's the thing.
		It's like if you're doing edibles with Joey Diaz.
		Like, how much should I take?
		Take two, cocksucker.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Like, what?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Take two.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		How much do you take?
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that would definitely.
		I mean, I feel like I can't get a tolerance to eat edibles.
		They just knock me out every time.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Jamie can just eat them and they don't do anything.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		That's crazy.
		I know people like that too.
		They're like, well, I need like 200 milligrams to feel it.
		I'm like, I'm psychotic.
		At 200 milligrams, I'm fried.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		It's a lot.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		200 is a lot.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		I used to have these lollipops that were 200 milligrams, so I would try to gauge it.
		Like, I don't want to eat too much of it.
		And it would just, I would get fucking whacked all the time.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		So we went over how many people are on Adderall once, like the number of Adderall prescriptions in a year.
		It was something bonkers.
		It was like 39 million Adderall prescriptions in this country.
		But then you have to go, like, how many people is that?
		Right?
		Because, like, you refill your prescription.
		So how often do you refill it?
		How many times a year?
		You know what I mean?
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		I think it's more than 39.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		If that's the case, I feel like there's 39 million subscribers to Adderall.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Well, there's definitely people that are getting it other ways.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		For sure.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		For sure.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		You get your script and you sell it, but it's like...
		So there were...
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Not just that.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		You're getting it illegally.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		You're getting illegal good and bad.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		You know, getting cartel stuff.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Like pressed and stuff.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, like they can make a valium that looks just like a valium and there's fucking fentanyl in it.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, true.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		No, that's that's a that like the pill world is they're like completely riddled with that right now.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Oh, it's scary, man, because kids are taking these like there was a kid from a local high school around here that I read a story.
		He took an Adderall.
		He thought it was an Adderall and it had fentanyl in it.
unidentified		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		He died.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Got it from one of his friends.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		He was just trying to cram for studies.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that's that's why I always tell people, anyone I know does Coke, I'm always like, you got to stop, man.
		They're like, no, we'll test it.
		It's like, no, you're not.
		You're going to be at a bar.
		You're going to be hammered.
		You're going to buy Coke and shove it up your nose.
		I'm going to stop and be like, let me see.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I've never done it, but all my friends who have done it have all said the same thing.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Don't do it.
Writing Stand-Up Comedy 00:05:18
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		I've never done it either.
		I've never had any interest, but it's like every time I'm around people on it, I'm just like, dude, this sucks.
		Maybe they're having fun, but it's going to sell you Bitcoin.
		They want to go into business now.
unidentified		Everybody does.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		They get like super hyped about a project.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		They want to bring you in.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Oh, that's what I think.
		I guess that's the way it was explained to me.
		You just feel like you accomplished something major.
		So you just snore coke and you're like, I am the best ever.
		I don't know.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I just.
		Yeah.
		Joey Diaz used to say that you can't go on stage with that.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I can see that.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		That's the worst.
		He goes, you don't have no feeling.
		You don't feel for the crowd.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		That's how I feel about it.
		I can't drink and go on stage because I'll just, I'm way too confident.
		If something doesn't land, I'm like, fucking whatever, pussy.
		Like, I just don't, I don't care.
		And I just do so bad.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		Yeah.
		It's it's a weird fine dance that people do with substances and performing, especially if you're doing like a speed or something because you can get it wrong.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		I would imagine.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, you can get your balance wrong.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		I've heard Adderall does not mix with comedy at all.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		That's what I've heard.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		I've heard people like, you're just, it's like a weird part of your brain where you're just too lasered in.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I've heard people like to use it for writing, though, which I think is weird.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		I guess.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I don't know.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I know they use it for writing books.
		I don't know if it would be the same for writing comedy.
		Because, you know, you're talking about like coming up with ideas.
		Like, you'd imagine that would be the coffee thing on steroids.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		Right.
		For me, for writing, like, I like to write.
		I write books.
		I like to do other stuff.
		Writing stand-up is more like it has to just pop into my head and I go like, oh, that would be funny.
		And then I, you know, if I start fleshing out, like, new ideas come.
		But I've tried to like write stand-up, and it never, it, like, very rarely do I get anything that like works when I do that.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, me too.
		But what I do is I write essays.
		I just like essays on a subject.
		And then from that, I'll extract little things.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		That's a good idea.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		And then I take that little thing and I say, how do I introduce this thing?
		And what is what would be funny about this thing?
		And how would I lead into this?
		And what are the other like surrounding things that would go with this?
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		No, that's that's a good way to do it.
		I have to, I have to trick myself into being like I'm memorizing my material, so I just bullet point it, and then I get bored and my mind wanders.
		I'm like, that would actually be pretty funny.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Right.
		And then you start rambling.
		Yeah, that's the thing about the essay.
		That if you just sit down and write a sub, you know, about a subject, whatever that subject is, that you just start thinking about all the different aspects of that subject instead of thinking how to write in comedy form.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		No, that's a smart idea because, yeah, if I try to write it, then like you try to repeat it, but you wrote it down so that it sounds like a written thing.
		And it's like.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		But even that in the essay way, it's a brutal process because then you have to take that one sentence or that one paragraph in a thousand words and then figure out a way to introduce that where it's not clunky.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		And then figure out what's the funniest part about it.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		And it's like you have to always know that the first time you bring it out there, it's going to suck.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		And you have to just slowly but surely trust it to get better and just throw it into the fire every night.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		You have your bits that you know are going to kill and you're like, I don't want to trot that one out here.
unidentified		I know.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		That is the, it kind of is the funnest part though to me.
		Like when I moved here, I had just, I think, yeah, I think I had just put out an hour or like recorded.
		So I had no, I had to like start with like new material, which sucks.
		You move somewhere, you have new stuff, and you're like, dude, I have only new shit.
		It's a bad feeling, but it's like, it's exciting because you're like, you don't know how it's going to go every night.
		I don't know.
		I like, I like that.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I think it's good.
		I think it's like we were talking the other day about loss, about failure.
		Like I was talking with Michael Malice about bombing on stage.
		I think bombing is good because what happens if you bomb that feeling, you feel terrible the next day, you feel terrible that night.
		And then you're like, I got to fucking get back on stage and really like tighten up my shit.
		And I always have in the past made big leaps after I bombed.
		I'm like, I think it's important.
		Like failure is important.
		It sucks.
		You don't like it, but you got to go through that.
		Like maybe you got overconfident or maybe you were in a bad mood or maybe it was like whatever.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		No, it helps.
		That's what like motivates me to write stand-up.
		If I bomb, I'm like, all right, now let me let me like dial it in.
		Because I have like, I'm always doing a bunch of stuff and like, I'm like, oh, I got a show.
		And I like, you know, organize kind of against the gun.
		But yeah, a good, a bomb really is like a clarifying, it's good for you, honestly.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		It's good to have a bomb.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Well, I used to say that to fighters too.
		You lose a fight.
		It's good.
		As long as you get really hurt.
		It's good because you like that feeling.
		Go home with that feeling and think about all the stones that you left unturned, all the times we skipped road work, all the times we skipped strength and conditioning, all the times you're half-assing it in the gym.
		That guy didn't do that.
		He just beat you.
		Now you know.
		You have to understand that there's levels to these.
		There's levels to dedication.
		There's levels to competency.
		And a good loss is good for you.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		It kind of like, you know, again, if you have your tried and true and you're just going on stage, yeah, it's working night after night.
		You just go home, you're like, oh, whatever.
		But yeah, when you bomb, like for me, it does something in my brain where my thoughts start flying.
		Whatever that is just helps me get stuff out there.
Open Mic Night Adventures 00:15:06
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Well, when I lived in Boston, one of the things that was a real problem was there was these local headliners that had these fucking acts, man.
		They had 45 minutes of like hammered samurai sword.
		It was so good because they had been doing that 45 minutes for a decade and a half.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		It's crazy, dude.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		It was so good.
		Their timing was so good.
		The pacing was so good.
		They would crush every night.
		But after a while, they never added anything new to it.
		And these guys just like, a buddy of mine went to see a Boston headliner that we knew from, like Fitzsimmons, went to see a Boston headliner that we knew from the 80s.
		And he goes, dude, he was doing the same material.
		He goes, it was so sad.
		He goes, he was just phoning it in.
		It was barely getting a response from the audience.
		It was like dated references.
		Because this guy just had an act and like a fucking guy who shows up at the office, he would open up his suitcase, pull his act out.
		That was his act.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Those guys are always fascinating because when you're like, you know, I started in Philly and like, so like the only, the first like paid gigs you get as an open micer are like, you do like moose lodges and shit for like 50 bucks.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		And it's always one of those like wacko headliners.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Who's been around for 30 years?
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		He's doing it forever.
		He's giving you the career talk in between the show.
		There's like, I would get like comedy magicians all the time.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		And dude, it was like, yeah, those, those guys would always kind of freak me out.
		Like, I would open for guys that would talk about like floppy disks in like the 2000s that I've done for like, what are you doing, man?
		Like, we don't have CDs anymore.
		This guy talked about porn on a floppy disc on stage.
		Dude, it was fucking Screech.
		R.I.P. It was Screech.
		Screech.
		R.I.P. I opened for Screech back in the day, and I was like, fuck yes, this is going to be awesome.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		He was killing it in the comedy clubs.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		He was like one of the first people to go from being on a sitcom to touring on the road.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I caught late Screech, though.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Skippy.
		Remember Skippy from Family Matters?
		Was it Family Matters?
		Is that what his name?
		What was it from?
		What was the show?
unidentified		Skippy.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		He was another guy who was on a sitcom.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Was he on, not step-by-step?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I don't remember.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		But he was the same thing.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		He was a whole thing.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Hollywood didn't work out for him.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Family ties.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		With Michael J. Fox?
unidentified		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		So that guy was headlining comedy clubs all over the place.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		This was like a bar in Delaware.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		This was not a glamorous gig.
unidentified		Whoa.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		It was bad.
		This was, I graduated college in 2009.
		It would have been like 2012, maybe.
		So this was like late.
		This was like late Screech.
		And the whole time he's on stage, people going, Screech.
		And he would just, it fucking made him so mad.
		But I remember it was a funny show because it was supposed to be a lady.
		It was supposed to host.
		I was going to feature.
		It's going to be Screech as a headliner.
		And the guy who owned the venue just wanted to fuck this lady so bad that he was like, hey, I'm letting that lady feature.
		You're going to host.
		And he was like, I'll pay you the same price.
		And I was like, yeah, whatever.
		I don't give a shit.
		So he paid me.
		And I had been, you know, I've been doing stand-up for a couple of years.
		So I was like kind of sharp, you know, especially for like that bar show.
		And this lady, she had never done stand-up before.
		This was her first time.
		This guy fucked her over.
		He thought he was doing something nice for her.
		She sat there for all the 20 minutes and read out of a giant notebook and just fucking completely in horrific, like a first time stand-up doing 20 minutes, completely bombed.
		Screech was in the back with me and he's like, the fuck is this?
		Remember, he was like bragging being like, dude, they gave me eight grand.
		I don't give a fuck about this show.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I know a few guys who, their girlfriend, started doing comedy and then the girlfriend started opening for them.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		And it was just wild.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		For her sake.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Because you can't do that.
unidentified		No.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		That's such a bad idea.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		It's so crazy.
		And these guys were like competent headliners.
		So the people were coming to see them.
		They're excited.
		Hey, we're going to go laugh.
		Have a good time.
		Nope.
unidentified		No.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		You're going to get tortured for 20 minutes before you get to laugh.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Also, that's not going to help him either.
		She's going to be furious.
		I don't know why people do that.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		They want to do it.
		Like, help me.
		Help me.
		That's one thing that happens a lot with comedy couples.
		Like one of the couples will help the other one write.
		Yeah.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
unidentified		Okay.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Writing's one thing, but like, and it's that's why they want to do it.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		It's like they want to hook up with a headliner, whether it's a guy or a girl.
unidentified		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		You hook up with a headliner, he or she helps you with your act, and then you go back.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		And you know, it's also impossible, though, because if you're dating a comic and then you book your own opener, you can't be like, ah, next time, I got you next time.
		You have to flat out be like, no, I'm not.
		You're not doing this.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Right.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		And then you break up.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		But if you really care about their comedy, you'd be like, bro, you got to go to the open mics and, you know.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, doing it in front of a sold-out show when you're just starting out is a crazy idea.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		I couldn't imagine.
		I literally couldn't imagine.
		It would have messed me up.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's why Kill Tony is so nuts.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Like, there are people.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		There are people who have gone on for their first time ever in Madison Square Garden to a sold-out arena of 16,000 people.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		And then it's filmed for what, like a couple million people.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		It's like millions of people.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		You're out there eating dick.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		That must feel crazy waking up the next morning.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, just like if you go to sleep.
		Let's imagine that you can go to sleep.
		If I flub a word, I don't go to sleep.
		They can go to sleep after that.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, you're essentially filming a one-minute special the first time the first time you do it on Netflix.
unidentified		God damn.
unidentified		Or on YouTube.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I mean, both of them are getting fucking millions of views.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		I know.
		Dude, I'd be so scared to do that.
		The people who can do that, I'm like, that's amazing.
		They go out there and crazy.
unidentified		True.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		That's actually true.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Some of the people, when you're interviewing them after they do the set, like I go, is this guy been screened?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Do we need to make sure he doesn't have a fucking knife on him?
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		They do need that airport fucking.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, yeah.
		Oh, 100%.
		Some of these people are out of their fucking mind.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		I always wanted to hang in the bar, like the holding tank where everyone is because that's got to be the craziest vibe in there.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Well, you remember Open Mic Nights.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, true.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Open Mic Night at the comedy store in particular was always so nuts.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		It was just a complete lunatic asylum.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		For realistic.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		There's this one guy, Robert William Aprovaya, and he would come there everywhere.
		He's a really nice guy.
		And all of his act was about marijuana.
		And he, at one point in time, was a lawyer and then, I guess, blew a fuse and then just was doing comedy.
		But he would walk from downtown.
		He lived in a flop house in downtown and it would take him hours.
		He would walk from downtown to the comedy store.
		And when it rained out, the way he would deal with the rain is he would take plastic grocery bags and tuck them inside of all of his clothing.
		So he'd wrap them around his body.
		So he had his clothing on the outside and these plastic bags all over his body.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		That's so fucking funny.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		The clothes were on the outside.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		So he let his clothes get wet, but his body would be dry.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Well, he couldn't figure out how to put it all outside of him.
		So his solution was just cover his skin and keep him from getting wet and cold, which I guess would work.
		It'd probably keep you sweaty, too.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, you'd sweat, yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		So he was like a staple and he would go there every night late at night and he would be like one of the last guys up at open mic night every week.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Whoa.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		And just was insane.
		Like you couldn't, you couldn't shake your hand.
		Couldn't touch him.
		He was always nervous that everybody hated him.
		And so he'd like be scared.
		And I became friends with him.
		So he was cool with me.
		I'd talk to him.
		But like one time I tried to give him knuckles.
		I'm like, I saw I forgot.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		He just wouldn't.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		He would like mumble and look at the ground like, sorry.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		He was legitimately cooked.
		Yeah, he was like, whatever.
		Whatever was going on.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Ah, fuck.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		But he was a lawyer.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		And he just blew a fuse.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Jesus Christ.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		It happens.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it does.
		No, there's no.
		Forget, like, well, at least I did because I, you know, doing the open mics, it's like it is like a complete freak factory.
		A freak factory, you're like, it's steeped in that so much for years.
		And then I remember like when I finally stopped going to open mics all the time, I was still in Philly and I like just took a break from the open mics.
		I would go do shows and I was like, let me go to the open mic.
		It'd been like six months and I was like, I'll go to one, try stuff out.
		I like got in, you know, I'm sitting behind the area.
		I was in like Philly Helium, just sitting there at the open mic, and I just got like right away, guys, like, dude, look at him, he fucking saw that.
		And it was just like all these people.
		I'm like, oh, this was like the worst environment you can possibly be in.
		It was just, everyone was like, this guy's a fucking piece of shit.
		I hate this guy.
		And everyone's so fucking angry.
		And just everyone's so charged on adrenaline all the time.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		They're also like on the outside of this thing that they want to do, this dream, and they get to try it.
		Like a regular person with no training, no schooling, no nothing.
		You get to stand on that stage with a microphone.
		I went down a rabbit hole the other night and I was watching open mic nights from Long Island.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Oh, fuck, dude.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		It was so crazy.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		That would be fun, though.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		It's so crazy watching someone that definitely shouldn't be doing comedy that's trying comedy for the first time.
		And I was, you know, it was one of those dumb things.
		It was like midnight, like, well, let me see me.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		And they have a film.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		It's all kinds of stuff.
		Basically, you find anything online.
		And I started watching.
		I can only watch for so long and then I get anxiety.
unidentified		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Shut it off.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		That was like when you do open mics and you finally do like a showcase and you invite your friends or your family to watch.
		And they're just like, what the fuck are you doing?
		Who are these people?
		You're like, they're my friends.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I brought some of my friends the first time I ever went on stage.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I didn't want to do it by myself.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		That was the opposite.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		I didn't want anyone to see me for a long time.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		And I did a show one time because I have a big family.
		So I did a show in this place, a Raven Lounge in Philly.
		It was like awesome.
		Like when we started.
		Tiny little black box thing in the top of a bar.
		It fit maybe like 25 people.
		And I have a big family.
		So I finally was like, all right, I'm going to invite my family out.
		Dude, I remember I was on stage and I knew like 17 out of the 25 people.
		And I was like, dude, fucking kill me right now.
		It sucks.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		And they're staring at you like this.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		I just saw my aunt in the front and it's like looking at me and I was like, no.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Watching you choke.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Watching you bomb.
unidentified		For them.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		They were the audience.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		I'm like, fuck.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		But that's, you know, the only way it's like, I know some people that have taken comedy classes and then that has kind of got them into stand-up.
		Yeah, that's this is a function of comedy classes and that function is like it gets you to try it.
		I don't think anybody, maybe there's a few out people out there that are like legit comics that are teaching them, but for the most part, not.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		So we had a comedy class at Helium.
		And the thing was, if you won the, if you took the comedy class, it let you in the comedy classes contest, then you can compete with the other people in the class.
		And if you won that, you got the hosting gig at Helium.
		And it was, it was a sweet deal, but it was so hard to get into Helium.
		So I had done stand-up for a while.
		I took time off.
		And when I got back into it, I was like, fuck it.
		I'm taking that comedy class.
		I'm going to try to fast track myself into host.
		So I won the comedy class contest.
		And then I got into Philly's Funniest.
		When I won Philly's Funniest, I got, you know, they're like, the improv theater across the street was like, we'll let you host a comedy class and we'll give you like 35 bucks an hour.
		Dude, I had like no health care.
		I had nothing.
		I was like, absolutely, let's do it.
		So I had a comedy class and they showed up and I was like, all right, never take a comedy class ever again.
		I was like, don't ever do this ever again.
		This is so dumb you guys did this, but we're just going to run this as an open mic.
		And I was like, get up there.
		And I had them all go up and just do like five, you know, it was just an open mic.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Well, that will work.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that's what I try to tell them.
		Yeah.
		That's what I try to tell them.
		But the one I was at was like real sketchy, man.
		It was very much like, I'm about to blow up.
		I'm taking you guys with me.
		This is how it's done.
		And you get out of it and you go, this is a motherfucker, bro.
		I got deals in development, blah, blah, blah.
		It was fucking bullshit, bro.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		There's so many of those guys.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		I got blacklisted from Helium because they found out I had a comedy class, which wasn't even a, it was a fake comedy class.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		I just wanted the money for it.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Did you try to tell them?
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I told the owner.
		I was like, bro, what are we doing?
		He's like, look, man, just chill.
		And I was like, can I do the open mic still?
		He's like, you can do the open mic.
		And the guy found out I was on the open mic and they booted me off that for like a month.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Oh, my God.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		He was out for blood.
		And I called him like, what the fuck?
		Because I knew this guy.
		I'm like, what the fuck are you doing?
		He's like, well, I didn't call them.
		I'm like, okay, man.
		You know, it was like, it was a big thing.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Well, there was talk when they were the same people on Cap City here now.
		There was talk that if you headlined there, you couldn't do my club for three months.
		It's crazy.
		And I was like, come on, guys.
		Why?
		I go, I said to him, I'm like, if one of my friends is at your club, I'm like, I'll tweet about it.
		I don't want this to be competition.
		There's plenty of comedians and there's plenty of audience members for everybody.
		That's silly.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Also, everyone's like, fine.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		I just, yeah, that's such, that's insane.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		That's crazy.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I don't like that.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		You're a young guy coming up.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		You're banning him from the club because he's hosting a comedy class for money.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it was, it was kind of, it was nonsense.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Now, you know, now we're.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Comedy class is probably going to lead more people to your club.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Like, it's all feeds off of itself.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		I know.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		And it was literally like, well, you know, maybe the word got out that I was like, never take a comedy class ever again.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Why didn't Philly have a guy?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Did Peelium have a club?
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		That was the class I took.
		I took a class at Helium because I wanted to fast track myself to the host.
		Otherwise, you're going to do Philly's funniest.
		And then you said it.
		Yeah, so I was like, those dude.
		I completely gamed it and I was like, fuck it.
		Because these are like people who've never done it before.
		I've done it for years.
		So I just went and did the class so I could do the contest.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Do you ever go back and think about people that you knew in the early days?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		And you're like, I thought they were going to make it.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, there's a couple people that I was like, this guy's like a celebrity.
		Like he's, he's got it.
		And it's just like, I don't know what happened.
		They just kind of like, I guess, I don't know.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		It's weird.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		It is weird.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		There's a few people that I started out with.
		I'm like, damn, this dude's talented.
		Like, there's something there.
unidentified		Oh, no.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I know.
		It's funny when you said that.
		I'm like, I don't think so.
		Then I'm like, oh, yeah, there was definitely at least one, if not like two or three that I would come, they would do this.
		But this guy was always on his own time.
		He would like show up late, just walk on.
		Like, it was, I think there's some people you just can't keep into like a thing at all, but their personalities are like magnetic.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, there's some people that, for whatever reason, they never figure out how to make a living at it.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		They never like, and then they get bored with it or they get frustrated or something.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		There's, yeah, I couldn't imagine.
		Just like the, there was, I'd see people go who would like, you know, everyone bombs when you're starting out at open mics, but there are people that bomb every time for like years and they keep doing it.
		And you're like, bro, how are you?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		How do you alive?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		How are you doing this?
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		I don't have one bad set.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		I'm like, I'm going to kill myself, dude.
unidentified		I hate this.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Some people just don't see it.
		And that's also, they don't address it.
		And that's also where they don't get any better.
		They don't have any self-awareness.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that could be it.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		And their perception of how people see them is distorted.
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joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		No, that's kind of scary, actually.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it's pretty.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Plinders up.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		It's pretty cut and dry, though, when people are silent in front of you.
		You're like, damn, I suck right now.
		I should change something.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		But in the beginning, it's just, it's such a weird.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		You're basically like running a marathon blindfolded through trees.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Finally, when I did a special, I was like, oh, this is the point of it.
		You have to come up with an hour of stand-up.
		Before I was just like, I need to have a good five minutes for tonight.
		And I would just go up and do it and be like, great.
		And I would just go back home with like no plan or anything.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's a lot of guys who live in cities where you do short sets all the time.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		We were talking about that the other night in the green room.
		Like some guys who do a lot of like New York City clubs, they have a really good 15 minutes.
		Let's fucking crush for 15 minutes.
		But when they have to do an hour, then things get weird because they can't keep the same energy for an hour.
		It's not, you have to pace it.
		It has to be hills and valleys.
		You have to kind of like structure it.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		And then they also don't really have the material because they're basically just doing their best 15 minutes all the time.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, true.
		I had the, I wasn't even really doing stand-up.
		Me and Shane were doing the podcast, and I was like, I was going to do the podcast.
		I don't even want to do stand-up anymore.
		And then he, it was pretty funny behind my back, went to the manager at Helium.
		He was like, dude, have Matt headline.
		And I was like, fucking dick.
		And the guy hit me up.
		So I started doing that.
		So I had been like not doing stand-ups.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		So how long?
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		For like months and months.
		Maybe a year off.
		And I had like, you know, I went, you know, it was like I would go and try stuff.
		So then I started doing, when I first started headlining, I would do an hour, have off for like two months, do an hour somewhere else.
		It was the most insane.
		It like really started fucking with me.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Did you have recordings to listen to it?
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I would record the audio and I would listen to it.
		And then I would like jot down notes.
		And like, it was the most insane way to get back into it.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		That was the thing that we experienced after COVID.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		There was a moment where I hadn't done stand-up in like four or five months.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		It was, it felt so weird.
		And then Houston had stand-up.
		They had clubs open.
		And they like space people out and put masks on them.
		I'm like, this is so ridiculous.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		And we were doing shows inside.
		And I only did one weekend.
		And then I got super paranoid.
		I'm like, what if I give it to someone and they die?
unidentified		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Why am I being so selfish?
		I don't want to do these shows.
		That's why I got to stop.
		So I had this old lady on the podcast.
		And my first thought was, what if I have it and I give it to her?
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Damn, that would suck.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I was so freaked out.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I didn't have, I wasn't even remotely sick.
		That was what was crazy.
		Like, it was just a, it was a boogeyman.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		For sure.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		It wasn't like, I'm coughing.
		Maybe I shouldn't come into work.
		No, it was like, I feel great, but what if I have it?
		I don't know.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		I know.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I give it to this lady.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		Dude, I had my first kid, right?
		Like March 2020.
		So it just, we got out of the hospital and like a week later, I was like holding my face in a grocery store to being like, fuck, what the fuck?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Well, at least you could be with her when she gave birth then.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that was cool.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		That was what was crazy.
		Yeah.
		People were dying alone because you couldn't visit them while they were dying.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		It was insane, dude.
		It was, it was like, and luckily, when we went in for our second kid, that was like, it was still kind of in the mix.
		We were able to go in together, but like our nurse, you know, if we didn't have like our mask on, she was like, I don't know, whatever, I don't care.
		So people were getting like just like two weeks after we had our kid, people were in there, like, I got to stay home.
		My wife's in there by herself.
		And it was like, it's a disaster.
		But even navigating that was crazy because it was like, you know, I'd tell my wife, like, well, I want to go do this.
		She's like, well, what if you bring it all to all of us?
		And I was just, I remember just at one point being like, then we're all going to fucking get it, dude.
		I don't know.
		Like, we, I, you know, I think I did the numbers.
		Like, I think this affects older people or, you know.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		What time was this?
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Uh, this would have been March.
		It would be like March 2020.
		And then like the next six months, because I would, you know, I would like go try to do stuff.
		He's like, if you go outside, we're all going to get sick.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I was worried about it.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I wasn't really confident that people weren't going to get really fucked up by it until like a few of my friends got it and got over it.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		And then my family got it and I didn't get it.
		And I thought that was crazy because I tried to get it.
		Like I didn't.
		I didn't, I hugged my kids.
		They were laughing.
		You're going to get COVID.
		I was like, I'm not going to get it.
		And part of my head was like, boy, I hope I don't get it.
		I never got it.
		I worked out and I didn't feel so good.
		And I said, let me just go through the paces today.
		And then I worked out the next day.
		Same thing.
		I'm like, I don't feel so good.
		I feel like weak.
		So I just, let me do like my kettlebell routine with like 35 pounds, just easy.
		Don't push it, just a couple sets.
		And so I did that two days in a row.
		And then the third day, I went to the gym.
		I'm like, how do I feel?
		And I'm like, I feel fucking good.
		Like, I feel great.
		Like, nothing feels wrong at all.
		And I had a full workout and I felt fine.
		So I was like, all right, I guess I didn't get it.
unidentified		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		And I went and got tested to see if I had antibodies, like if I had recovered from it.
		Nope.
		Never got in there.
		Yeah.
		I had sex with my wife.
		She was coughing.
unidentified		That's awesome.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		That's such a fucking beast move, dude.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		She was like, You're going to get it.
		I'm like, let's find out.
		Let's find out.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		That is a beast move.
		I'm like terrible at math, but I remember looking up, like, how likely is it to die from this?
		And it was like 0.00001 something.
		I was like, fine, man.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		But there was so much propaganda.
		And it was like the thing was, we were in the middle of doing podcasts and we tested everybody when they show up, make sure that nobody has it, tested all of the employees, security guys, everybody that works for me.
		Everybody got tested every day.
		We'd show up, we'd be separated.
		Nurse would come with a mask on, test everybody.
		And then once we had the results, then we would allow the show to go on.
		So I was like, I can't fuck this up because if I fuck this up, I fuck this up for everybody.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, sure.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		So I got to be careful.
		And I just didn't want my guests.
		Like, the guests were flying in.
		They were taking a chance.
		A lot of them were older, you know, like a lot of professors.
		You know, they're flying in to do this podcast.
		And I had to make sure.
		And then someone ratted us out.
		So the health department showed up at the studio and they wanted us to have a bag of masks like right when you walk in.
		So we had to put a bag of masks right there.
		We had to put a hand sanitizer thing right there and then a sign that says like what you're supposed to do, six-foot distancing, all that shit.
		I was like, all right.
		But they were saying that we weren't socially distancing.
		We saw him hug people outside the front door.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		That's completely dystopian, man.
		That's crazy.
		Yeah, I don't know why.
		You know what it was?
		Because my parents were just like, because, you know, the first time we all hung in outside, both my parents were like, bro, this sucks.
		We're just come inside.
		We're not doing this.
		And that was like.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Oh, my parents were terrified of it.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		My parents didn't give a fuck.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		They were like, yeah, my parents didn't want to hang out with anybody until they got vaccinated.
		Yeah, they were real nervous about it.
		They're older, you know?
		When you get older, that's why a lot of these people, like the Neil Youngs and Howard Sterns, and all those people that really freaked out about it, they're older people.
		So to them, they're looking at they might be that 1% that dies.
unidentified		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		You know what I mean?
		Whereas like you're young and healthy, you work out.
		You'll probably be fine.
		You'll be okay.
		Your wife's healthy.
		You'll be fine.
		When you're an old person and you smell death in the air already, every day you wake up, you're like, oh, your fucking back hurts.
		Oh, Jesus, you can barely get out of bed.
		Fucking your feet are swollen.
		Like, it could get you.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it's crazy.
		I'm surprised my parents are like, you know, I think they're like going to be 70 soon.
		They were just kind of like, we don't give a fuck, man.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Depends on where you grew up.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		I think that's what it was, man.
		They were just kind of like, you know, they're all just like, fuck that.
		You know, it's bullshit.
		No matter what it was, it was fucking bullshit.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, if you grow up hard, you're not worried about a cough.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, they weren't.
		I remember I finally got it.
		I finally got it.
		And dude, it kind of like rocked me.
		The first day, I had talked so much shit and I got it.
		I was like, bro, if I die, this is going to suck so bad.
		It's like, but we got it.
		Me and my wife got it two days later.
		So I had it, you know, we had like a little kid.
		So I had to like, we just switched off.
		I kind of was like, recovered enough.
		So we were, our kid never got it.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Well, count us.
		Kids can go right through it.
		My, my, um, both of my kids got it and they just burned through it.
		One of them had it more, but she's like a little more sensitive.
		She, she was pretty sick for a couple days.
		Not pretty, not like scary, but like she didn't feel good for a couple days.
		The other one like barely had it.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Like went right through her.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
unidentified		Yeah.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		The one didn't get it all.
		The one had like a runny nose.
		I was like in bed for three straight days, just like super fever hurting.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Were you taking any vitamins at the time?
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		No, at the time I wasn't living very sick.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		That's the thing.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I'm all over the vitamins.
		And I was all over the vitamins then.
		And my wife back then, I don't think not so much.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I don't think she did as much.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		So when I was around everybody that got it, it just never got to me.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		No, I was forgot.
		And we had like, you know, a relative newborn kind of situation going on.
		And it was just like.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		That's a hard one.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Your immune system is going to be crushed anyway because you're getting zero sleep.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Everybody's like ready to fall asleep at any given time.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Watching TV.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		I've never recovered.
		I'm still ready to pass out.
		Like I can fall asleep.
		I go home and I'm fried.
		I take naps.
		That was a big thing for coffee.
		Now I can take naps during the day.
		I can't take naps when I drink coffee.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I never take naps.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I love them, man.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		A little siesta.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		The only time I ever take a nap is if I have to do something really early in the morning.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		So like if I do a set at night and I'm not home until like 12:30 and like maybe I have to get up at six or something, I'll take a little nap.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Just because for me, there's the balance of like what is what's more important, getting things done, working out, or not getting into a deficit.
		And for me, it's not getting into a deficit.
		Because when I, like, if I do a podcast and I'm sleepy, I get so mad at myself.
		I'm like, what are you doing?
		Like, this is your one job.
		Be awake and talk to people.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Sleeping like a toddler just.
unidentified		Oh, wow.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		That's cool.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		So how long are we in Indonesia for?
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		It is embarrassing.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		You're like, what the fuck is the worst?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		And then I'm just drinking coffee and energy drinks and taking nicotine pouches and just trying to fire the brain up.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, then when I do that, my face just gets hot and I'm just anxious.
		It's like, that's why, especially for shows, like I try to travel.
		Like I leave like on an early, early flight, get where I'm going and just take a big nap.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		And then I wake up and go do the show.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		One thing that I started doing when I was on the road a lot was I would go in on Thursday if I had a show on Friday.
		So I would get in Thursday night, sleep, and then instead of flying in the day of the show, because you're always a little foggy.
		It's hard to, and back then I wasn't on the nootropics as much.
		I wasn't like taking it with me on the road, you know, brain vitamins and shit, like alpha brain.
		But now I don't fuck around.
		I don't travel without that stuff.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		No, you do need.
		I do the day of.
		I can't help it.
		I just go early, nap.
		I did a show in Vegas last weekend that like it didn't start till 10 p.m. Vegas time.
		So I got there.
		It was brutal.
		I got there, took a nap, woke up at like 9 p.m. Vegas time.
		It was just like, I felt like a bug.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		You know what my trick for that is?
		The moment you land, the moment you land, put your shit in your hotel room, go straight to the gym.
		No if, ands, or buts about it.
		You've got to get a workout in.
		And you got to sweat, like really sweat.
		Just really get it going.
		Do some push-ups, whatever the fuck you want to do, but just really sweat.
		And it feels like it resets your system.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		I can see that.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		That would wake you up and kind of calm you down.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it resets your system.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Like whatever the fuck happens when you're on a plane, when you get off, you're just like, bruh.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Dude, I feel like I've been microwaved.
unidentified		I get off the class.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Well, you have been, kind of.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, pretty much.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		I feel I smell weird.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		That's like an x-ray.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		You're getting x-rays.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Oh, fuck.
unidentified		Yeah.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Try not to.
		The other day I was like, maybe it's like good for me somehow.
		I'm not here.
		It's just like constricting my blood vessels and they like turn me into a superhero.
		Well, I like was in Denver and I ran.
		You know, recently I was like running and working out in Denver and I was like, probably altered now.
		I did like a 30-minute workout.
		I'm like, I'm probably totally different now.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Well, I lived above Boulder for a while.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		And then I had a gig in Philly.
		So I was living up there for a couple of months.
		I was living at 8,500 feet above sea level and I'd work out up there.
		And then when I'd go down to Boulder at 5,500, I had all this endurance.
		I was like, this is crazy.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Oh, in Denver?
		Yeah.
		From Boulder to Denver, you're saying?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		No, from where I was in the mountains above Boulder.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		And so I'd go down to Boulder.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Gotcha, guys.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Boulder's like 55, 57, whatever it is.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		But I was at 85.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Damn.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, 8,500 feet above sea level.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that's a lot.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		So then I did a gig in Philly and I went to the gym.
		And I remember I called my friend.
		I'm like, dude, I feel like I could run through a fucking wall.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Damn, I want that so bad.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		That's why a lot of athletes train.
		Like they go to Big Bear in California.
		They train up there.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Damn.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		I kind of, yeah, I got, I got to do it for like just once, and I was like, dude, this is awesome.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, if you can live at altitude and train at altitude and then go down to sea level, you feel like you have superpower.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Fuck, that's awesome.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		So I have a lot of endurance athletes.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Like, that's why they put the Olympic Training Center in Colorado Springs.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		That makes sense.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Like, training at altitude is a legit hack.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		I didn't realize, because I've always wondered, like, why is it so hard?
		And it's literally just the air thins and there's less oxygen.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		It's that simple.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		And then your body has to adapt so you get more red blood cells.
unidentified		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		That's why they take EPO.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		That's what EPO does for you.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Oh, you don't have to go to altitude.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Well, I think a lot of them do both.
		You know, they just go as hard as they push it to that.
		Like, how much before I get a stroke?
unidentified		True.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I'm trying to win a gold medal.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I'm trying to win the Tour de France.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Dude, I just started, I started sprinting again.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Sprinting?
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Sprinting, just all out, total sprints.
		And just to like see where I was at, because I'm like, you know, because I'm like, if I feel like if you just stop, you can feel that like, you know, age creep in a little bit.
		And there's a lot, I think there's a lot of mental stuff to be like, oh, you know, man, it just fucking goes.
		But like, you know, if you're not like testing it, you know, how do you know?
		You're just not letting yourself go anyway.
		So I like, I was like doing it.
		I hadn't been running like that in forever.
		And dude, like, my fingertips would be numb.
		I would do 100.
		I would do 100 meter sprints and I like can't feel my hands.
		Now I can.
		Now I can.
		I fixed it.
		Now I, because you like grow new veins and shit.
		I swear to God, it's true.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Are you a doctor?
unidentified		I don't know.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		I just, I've crocked, dude.
		We're all equal now.
		But dude, I remember being like, let me see where I'm at.
		And I was like, bro, you really do.
		You use it or lose it, man.
		And I can run now.
		I did it this morning.
		I can sprint now and like, I don't get numb.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		It's pretty old.
		How do you do it?
		Do you go to a track?
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		I have a track, yeah.
		I have a track near my house and I just fucking bolt early, super early in the morning.
		You feel amazing all day.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		And so you just pick a certain amount of distance you're going to run?
unidentified		Yeah.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		I'll do like someday.
		Like today, I did like two, 300s, two, 200s, and then like, we're supposed to do four 150s.
		I got two.
		And I was like, I'm tapped.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		So you're done in like 15, 20 minutes.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		You're done.
		You go there.
		I'm there at like six o'clock and I'm done in 20 minutes.
		And you feel like it's like you were talking about.
		You run to a city and just get like an all-out workout.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		You feel like you're walking on air for the rest of the day.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		That makes sense.
		There was a study recently about explosive exercise and that that's one of the things that's lacking in like older people.
		As they get older, they stop doing any kind of explosive exercise, like sprinting.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		And how beneficial that is for maintaining your health and your ability to move around.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Dude, I'm telling you, like, that was like such a drastic thing, but I was like, damn, this is my circulation is like going.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Like, I can't fucking run without my hands feeling all like pins and needly.
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jamie vernon ▲ ● ▼		That's so weird.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		And it just, they came back.
		Now I can do it.
		My fingers feel fine.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		You're getting in shape.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it's pretty nuts because that was the thing.
		Cardio is always like, cardio is dumb.
		Who cares?
		And then you're like, I learned, I think it just like you secrete growth hormone and then your veins and capillaries start like, you get, literally, you get like new and wider veins.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		It makes sense.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		It's pretty cool.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Makes sense.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I mean, your heart is fucking pounding out of your chest.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		You're hitting 180 beats per minute.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		It's like fucking forcing all that shit through.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Just clearing it out.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Like, all right, let's, what are we holding on to right now?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		You see, like, you never got fat or you never got like really badly out of shape.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		When you see a guy like Jellyroll, like, I have so much respect for that man.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I have so much respect for that man.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		That dude lost 300 pounds.
unidentified		Dude, how?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		He lost 300 pounds.
		No Ozempic.
		Just stopped eating sugar.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		That was no Ozempic.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		No Ozempic.
		He took testosterone replacement.
		That's it.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		That's fucking sick.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Sick.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		I just started off.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		I was like, he's got to be on Ozempic.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		He started off just walking, man.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		That's all.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Just trying to walk.
		When he came here, last time we did a podcast, he ran, I forget who, I think he ran 6.2 miles the day before.
		So they ran, like he was deer hunting down in South Texas, and he was with my friend Cam Haynes, and they went on a run.
		They did 6.2 miles.
		They ran and hills and shit.
unidentified		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		And then he came in here before the podcast.
		He ran 2.6 on the treadmill.
		So I was working out and he was over there running and talking and laughing.
		Look how good he looks.
unidentified		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		How crazy is that?
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Fucking nuts.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		It's amazing.
		It's amazing.
		And we did the whole deal.
		We did the sauna afterwards.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		It was awesome.
		How long did he lose it?
		Three years.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Three years.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Damn, that's crazy.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		And he did it the right way.
		He did it the hard way.
		Just working out and eating right.
		No sugar, no bullshit, eating clean food, and just slowly let his body drop.
		He's got to feel over and over again.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		He's got to feel awesome.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		It's got to be amazing.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Damn.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		How does he say that's doing like career-wise if he has like a persona and his know is like this, you know, I guess his fancy.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		He's got an amazing voice.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I mean, the amazing voice is still amazing.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		Well, your voice changes with that situation with weight a little bit.
		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I'm sure it'll change.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		I don't know.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		I've heard like if you're like an alto or something like that and you're certain you're at a certain weight, it can change if you kind of, because this is your diaphragms, I guess, in your stomach.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I know some dudes who lost a lot of weight and they didn't like the way they look when they were thin because their head was too big.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Isn't that weird?
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Like your head gets big when you get heavier.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		Oh, it just grows.
		Yeah, it makes sense.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		If it grows your fucking body, significant weight loss can change a person's voice, often making it sound higher pitched, lighter, or clearer due to reduced fat accumulation around the larynx, throat, and chest.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		These physical changes decrease pressure on the vocal cords, improving breathing resonance, and reducing the effort required to produce sound.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		So it makes you a better singer.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		But does it, though?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Because like opera singers, aren't they all fat?
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		I think so.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Class.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I wonder if you have to be.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		I don't know.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Are there any like really thin, like handsome opera singers?
jamie vernon ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I don't know about all fat.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I think this is like a just general.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		I think it's like a cartoon.
unidentified		It's an opera thing.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		It's a cartoon.
		I have the same thing.
		I'm like, yeah, I've seen that in cartoons.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		There are always a big fat, jolly guys.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Fat lady with Viking helmets.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it's always.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		But that sounds good, though.
		So your voice gets clearer, higher pitched, and it's not as much effort.
		Yeah.
		Sounds like that's RB Legend status then.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		You can do cat cardio.
		Like, you'll have way more cardio.
		Your heart won't beat as fast.
		You'll be able to have more oxygen to sing.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, dude.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		It's all good.
unidentified		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		That's awesome.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I mean, his voice is amazing.
		And it's his songwriting, too.
		It's not just the voice.
		It's like what he's singing about.
		It's like, that's not going to get worse.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, and his fans, I have it like a weird thing in my head where for comedy, I'm like, if I get in too good of shape, people are going to be like, fuck this guy.
		Which I don't know.
		That's not what's stopping me.
		But it's like, you always wonder about that.
		Like, I wonder if they'd be like, damn.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Right.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		You know what I mean?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Well, that is a weird thing.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Like, I never got on stage with a t-shirt on.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, if you're too jacked.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Like, I would never go on stage with a tank top on.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Tank would be.
		Tank might be kind of funny.
		Tank would be kind of funny.
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matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		That's crazy.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		That would be crazy.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Rich Voss used to do that all the time.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		He was where I tanked up on stage.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		That makes perfect sense.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, boss.
		Yeah.
		Character.
		Like, Kid Rock style.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		I just saw.
		I just saw.
		Did you see the workout vid?
		No.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		What do you mean?
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		You didn't see the Kid Rock Robert Kennedy workout vid?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Shut up.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		You didn't see this?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		No.
jamie vernon ▲ ● ▼		You said he did it off social media, so he must have really got off social media.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I'm off social media.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Dude, it is very funny.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I'm off social media, but apparently I'm not off the fucking news, which I think I have to be off now.
unidentified		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Because I haven't been gone on social media, but I'll read the Apple news feed and the Google newsfeed.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I'm like, fuck.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		That's basically scrolling, too.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		I tried the same thing.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I was reading about B-52s headed to some Air Force base, nuclear-equipped B-50s.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I'm like, what are we doing?
unidentified		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		So let me see this workout video.
		It's Kid Rock and, oh, Jesus Christ.
		Oh, this must be Kid Rock's house.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I think so.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Rock out workout.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		RFK Jr. works out in jeans.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		He always works out in jeans, which is so crazy.
		Yeah, this is Kid Rock's house.
		Kid Rock has a fucking insane house that looks like the White House.
		The outside of it looks like the White House, but the inside of it has two bedrooms, and it's like 25,000 square feet.
		It's an enormous house with two bedrooms.
		Yeah, it's all just party.
		He's got a huge hot tub room.
		Look at Harf K Jr.
		Jack Jack, dude.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		That's awesome.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		For $70,000 on the air dyne?
		Look at him doing push-ups.
		These guys are doing the air dying in the sauna.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		I know.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		wild yeah i think they go to his like cold plunge with jeans on what are you doing what the fuck are you doing That is ridiculous.
		What's wrong with your legs?
		Now I need to know.
		Where's Kid?
		So this is his crazy room that looks like a mining cavern.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		I've heard of his secret.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		He's got like this.
		It's really cool.
		He's really into pickleball, too.
		He plays pickleball every morning.
		That's what he's telling me.
		He goes, I get up and play pickleball at 7 a.m. everybody.
		Pickleball.
		He's like, dude, I fucking love it.
		That's what it looks like.
		Look at how dope that is.
		His house is so dope.
		It's the fucking dopest house I've ever seen in my life.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that's awesome.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		And it's such a kid rock house.
		Like the outside of it looks exactly like the White House.
		That's incredibly larger.
jamie vernon ▲ ● ▼		No one should be distracted from the whole milk they're drinking and the hot dumb.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Oh, they're just roll, bro.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
jamie vernon ▲ ● ▼		Can I bring your attention to something that's been happening on the internet since we've been live?
		Yes.
		President Trump was asked about Obama talking about the aliens.
		I got a video on the screen.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Oh, perfect.
jamie vernon ▲ ● ▼		I want to hear it myself.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
unidentified		Barack Obama said that aliens are real.
unidentified		Have you seen any evidence of non-human visitors to Earth?
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Well, he gave classified information.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		He's not supposed to be doing the.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		So aliens are real.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Well, I don't know if they're real or not.
		I can tell you he gave classified information.
		He's not supposed to be doing that.
		He made a big mistake.
donald j trump ▲ ● ▼		He took it out of classified information.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		No, I don't have an opinion on it.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		I never talk about it.
donald j trump ▲ ● ▼		A lot of people do.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		A lot of people believe it.
donald j trump ▲ ● ▼		Do you believe it, Peter?
unidentified		I will hit the president.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I do now.
donald j trump ▲ ● ▼		I may get him out of trouble by declassifying.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		We know illegal aliens.
		I may get him out of trouble by declassifying.
		That's hilarious.
unidentified		What else?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		That was it.
jamie vernon ▲ ● ▼		What's going on on the internet these circles of these?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I may get him out of trouble by declassifying.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Geez, I hope he does.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, really?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Imagine you can get in trouble as a president for saying aliens are real?
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		I don't think so, man.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		I don't think he's going to get in trouble for that.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Well, what did he say then?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		What was that?
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		They've been saying there's aliens.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		But what did he just say?
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		He just hates Obama.
		He's going like, oh, he's going to jail.
		I'm getting Hillary and I'm getting Obama for aliens.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		They all hate each other and then they all hang out and shake hands.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		Yeah.
		Who's funeral was that when like George Bush and them were handing out candy to each other, it's like George Bush.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Well, George Bush and Michelle Obama are apparently friends.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Oh, they're buddies.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Whichever way I thought.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		But George Bush never engaged in like this insult kind of thing that Trump does.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		It's true.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		It's a different thing.
unidentified		Yeah.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		It's totally.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		No, that's not.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		He was always very classy.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		And especially when you see the videos of him back in the day, like now you're like, man, this guy's like lovable.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Oh, dude, in comparison to the politicians himself saying, yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		He was like, oh, when is he running again?
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		That guy's a complete class act.
		And then you're like, oh, yeah, fuck the Middle East.
		Forgot about that.
		But it's like.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Well, he had Satan on his side.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, true.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Dick Cheney was true.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Running around fucking shooting his friends in the face and hunting trips.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		That's true.
unidentified		I don't know.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		I mean, that thing is like, did it was it classified?
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		It's like, now, but then if Trump's going to be like that, he gave out classified, then he's letting you know it's classified, so he's telling you the cat's out of the bags.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Well, he's saying I may declassify it.
		I hope he does.
		I hope this gets him because that is a weird thing to say.
		He's not supposed to be saying that.
		Well, that means it's real.
		He gave out classified information.
		That means there's real data that aliens are real.
		That's the only thing you could draw as a conclusion from that statement.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Right?
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, you would think.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I think, I don't think I would try to come up with another reasonable way he would say, aliens are real.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		You shouldn't say that because it's classified.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		That means it's real.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it is, but that's like, that's such a crazy thing.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		If Trump was trying to keep it classified, you think he'd be like, I don't know what he's talking about.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I don't know, dude.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		I'm like, well, yeah, they are, but I can't say they are, and he's in trouble now.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I told you I've talked to Bob Lazar many times.
		Oh, yeah, I had him on the podcast.
		I had dinner with him when Andrew Schultz.
		Schultz was in town in L.A.
		I go, what are you doing tonight?
		And he goes, why, what's up?
		I go, you want to go have dinner with Bob Lazar?
		He's the guy that used to back engineer UFOs at Area 51.
		He goes, fuck yes.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Damn.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		So we went to Fogo to Chow in L.A.
		And we sat down with Bob Lazar and just got to ask him all these questions.
		I've known him for years now.
		So I've known him for probably when I did the podcast with him.
		What year was that, Jamie?
jamie vernon ▲ ● ▼		2019.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		2019.
		So I've known him for six, seven years now.
		Okay.
		However, it runs out time-wise.
		And he's always had the same story.
		He's a very reasonable guy.
		You hang out with him.
		I've had dinner with him a couple times.
		Super normal guy.
		Doesn't seem like a big fat liar.
		Obviously, a scientist.
		Like, obviously, like a very brilliant guy.
		Like, I don't know what to think.
		I keep searching for some bullshit.
		I keep searching for some thing.
		He never saw any aliens.
		He never saw anything.
		He just was back engineering these crafts that didn't make any sense.
		He's like, he got there.
		He saw it.
		The moment he saw it, it looked like that thing.
		That's what it's based on.
		That thing on the desk.
		That's the sport model.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Jesus Christ.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		There's a guy named Designs by Perry, and the E in Perry is a three, and he makes these.
		You could buy them on the internet.
		He makes like a desk clock or a desk lamp, rather.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		So he'd have to examine the motor or whatever, the mechanisms of that.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		They didn't even tell him what he was doing.
		So this is what it was.
		So he worked at Los Alamos, Los Alamos Labs in New Mexico, and he was a propulsions expert.
		He had famously put a jet engine on the back of a Honda.
		Like he built a Honda with a jet engine on it just for funsies.
		He was just a genius.
		He just loved engineering and doing things.
		And he had contacted this guy about getting some work, some work in laboratories or whatever.
		And he said, I might have something for you that is more along the lines with your capabilities.
		I'm going to set up a meeting for you.
		So he sets up this meeting for him.
		He has no idea what the meeting is about.
		He has no idea what they're doing.
		They don't tell him.
		They just start asking him about his background, what he did at Los Alamos, what he's interested in.
		And he's like, it just tells his whole story of science and this and that.
		And so they had already heard about him.
		So they go, okay, show up at this place.
		There's airplanes that are going to fly you out to where you're going.
		So he's like, okay.
		So no one even knew about these airplanes back then.
		Now it's been confirmed that there's a bunch of airplanes right outside of Mandalay Bay.
		You could see these airplanes that they fly, the employees that work in Area 51 and they live in Las Vegas.
		They just fly him out there.
		But nobody knew about this in 1989 when he was talking about it, when he blew the whistle on it.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		And so they fly him out there.
		They, you know, show him how everything works for a couple days in terms of how the base works and where you have access to, what you don't have access to.
		They bring him this guy that is his co-worker that was there before, and then it was kind of going to show him the ropes.
		And then a couple days in, they bring him into a hangar.
		And there's that thing.
		And it has an American flag sticker on it.
		And so he goes, oh, these are ours.
		He's like, oh, my God, no wonder why people are seeing these things.
		This is something that we have.
		So then they tell him, essentially, tell us how it works.
		He's like, what is this?
		A test?
		Like, what?
		Like, they're very vague about everything.
		No one's telling him where it came from.
		No one's telling him anything.
		And then he realizes, like, the whole thing doesn't make sense because there's no welds.
		There's no seams.
		It's like it's 3D printed.
		And you have to crawl in it because it's designed for people that are like three feet tall.
		And there's no controls in it.
		He's like, what is this?
		And there's this generator in the center of it that has this triangle piece of this element that doesn't even exist on Earth.
		This element 115.
		He's like, wait, what the fuck is going on?
		And they explain to him, you bombard this element with radiation.
		This is how this thing works.
		Put this dome on it.
		It gets bombarded with radiation.
		And then that causes this field around this craft that allows you to move around.
		And so they do a demonstration for him.
		He goes outside.
		They fly this thing.
		When he's under it, he can't see it.
		He has to step away from where he is so he can see it again.
		He's like, what the fuck is this thing?
		It's not making any noise.
		It moves around.
		It gives off this glowing light when whatever this generator inside of it is operational.
		It gives off this blue glowing light.
		And this thing was like silently flying around.
		And occasionally it would go from one point to another very quickly.
		Like it could go from like this part of the mountain to that part of the mountain and just appear there.
		And it would look like it just disappeared because it would move so fast.
		It would just appear in a new place, it seemed like.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		What was steering the thing?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I don't understand it.
		And he didn't understand it either.
		They don't exactly know.
		He knows how supposedly this generator, there's these gravity beam projectors that are on the bottom of it.
		And the way you get it to fly fast, it would turn sideways and then it would point these gravity projectors or whatever they called it into a certain direction.
		It would create this void around this craft and it would just instantaneously go to wherever it was supposed to go.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Fuck this.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		That's crazy.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Right.
		And so he's working on this for months and months.
		And then his wife starts having an affair on him because he doesn't tell her what he's doing.
		It's like super top secret.
		And so when you have this super toxic clearance, you can't tell anybody what you're doing.
		So he's like, I got to go to work.
		She's like, it's 11 o'clock at night.
		Where are you going?
		He's like, I have to go to work.
		So he would just jet off.
		And she was like, well, I'm going to go fuck my flight attendant or my flight instructor.
		So this is all recorded because they're tapping his phones.
		And so they suspend him because they're wondering if he's going to be emotionally unstable.
		So while he's suspended, he takes his friends.
		He's like, I got to tell people about this.
		Like, I can't even work.
		Something's going on.
		I got to tell these people.
		Like, hey, every Wednesday, I have the schedule.
		Every Wednesday, they fly these fucking things.
		And the reason why they do it on Wednesday is because that's when there's the least amount of traffic on the roads.
		So he takes his wife and he takes a couple of friends and he takes them up to see this thing.
		And they go once and then they go twice and then they get caught.
unidentified		Damn.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		And then when they get caught, then they grill him, they scare him, they're poking him in the chest with a gun and they're freaking him out.
		And then they tell him about his wife and the affair and all this shit.
		And so then he goes public.
		And so he gets hold of this guy, George Knapp, who's a news reporter in Las Vegas.
		And he tells him the story.
		And at first, initially, they black his face out so he could remain anonymous.
		He's like, look, the only way I can stay alive, you have to show my face.
		Because they're threatening him.
		They broke into his house.
		He goes outside.
		He goes to the gym, goes outside.
		His trunk is open.
		His hood is open.
		All his doors are open.
		The car was locked.
		No one broke into it.
		So he has no idea.
		They're fucking with him.
		And he's really worried.
		Someone shoots his tire out on the highway.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Where is he now?
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		He's just chilling.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Well, he's, I don't know if I'm supposed to say where he lives.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Oh, whatever.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		But he's like, yeah, no, he's around.
		I mean, this is a long time ago.
		It was a long time ago.
		And, you know, he was kind of discredited.
		They tried to discredit him.
		They said he never worked at Los Alamos Labs.
		But then someone got a hold of the employee roster from the time that he was working there, and his name's listed there.
		So someone who worked there at the time said, I have the employee roster from, you know, 1985 or whatever it was.
		And he says, Sure, right here.
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joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		And they go through the roster and it says right there, Robert Lazar.
		And there's also a newspaper article that was printed about him being a physicist at Los Alamos Labs and that he had made this crazy jet engine-powered Honda.
		So there's him with the Honda, and he's listed in this lab that he's a physicist at this lab.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Dude, that shit's so weird.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		And then what that guy just said?
unidentified		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		What Trump just said?
		He's not supposed to say that.
		It's classified.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		What?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Why don't you fucking tell us?
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Well, I always wonder if they're going to try to do like a Space Force thing where it's like WMD is in the Middle East.
		We go to the Middle East.
		Now they're going like, yeah, I think there are aliens.
		And it's like, now we get to do like Space Force shit.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I think if they're aliens, you can't do shit to them.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		I know, but it's also like if you want to erect some weird defense thing in outer space so we can spy on China, it's like, yeah, I think there's probably our aliens for them, by the way.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		It's like there's, I would imagine there's something.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I would imagine there's something.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Because the government, whenever they start floating out things, like I always assume there's like an agenda.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		I'm like, all right, what are they doing?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		100%.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Because they just dropped aliens on us out of nowhere.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		And everyone was kind of like, okay.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Well, it really started around 2017.
		That's when it started to become legitimized because that was when the New York Times printed this article about it.
		And they talked about these pilots and their experiences and these videos that they couldn't explain because these crafts had no heat signature and they were flying at ridiculous speeds over the ocean.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		I remember them just coming out with it and then like just they started doing the UAP thing and all that stuff and they were like, yeah, there's like unidentified crafts and you know blah blah blah.
		So I'm always kind of like, what are they up to?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it's weird.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		What the hell are these guys up to?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		It's hard to know what's real and what's not real.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		But when you start talking to pilots and people that have experienced certain things, you know, you just go, wow, what is this guy saying?
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, and again, I don't deny it.
		I'm always kind of like, yeah, you probably did see that stuff, but it's like, I don't know.
		You know, it's like.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Why is it classified?
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		It's got to be military.
		I would imagine it's military stuff, or they're like, we want to use it for, we want to reverse engineer and use it for our military.
		If this gets into another military's hands, blah, blah, blah.
		But then they're all spying on each other.
		So I would imagine they would know too.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Well, the people that I've talked to said that Russia and China both have retrieved crashes.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Really?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it's not just America that has them.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		It's other countries that have them too.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Damn.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Supposedly, this is the big story.
		Supposedly.
		There's one that's so big that they can't move it.
		So they built a building around it.
		And that's supposed to be in Korea.
unidentified		What?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Supposedly.
		That's why I heard it's in Korea.
		But yeah, this is the lore: that this thing is so big that they couldn't move it, that they had to put a building around it.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Dude, that's wild.
		That'll be the thing I always think about if they come out and say, yeah, there's definitely aliens.
		Like, what do people do?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		This is the building, supposedly.
		The giant building in South Korea is often cited as a potential UFO storage facility.
		You imagine if they just built it the shape of a UFO.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it kind of looks like it.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		I don't know.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		That's so crazy.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Dude, do a square building.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		What's in that fucking building?
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		I don't know.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Imagine if that's real.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, what is this?
		Why are they?
		Why do they think this?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Well, I would imagine that place would have to be heavily guarded.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		There's just a gate.
		Who's that guy?
		Eric Burleson insisted on the existence of aliens, but admitted he has no definitive proof.
jamie vernon ▲ ● ▼		I was talking that video I showed you the other day who said he was going to go look at these places.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		He was going to go look in Korea?
jamie vernon ▲ ● ▼		He mentioned he was going to go look at the underground one.
jamie vernon ▲ ● ▼		He didn't say where it was.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Oh, this is the congressman, congressman's claim.
		So scroll down there a little lower.
		So here it is.
		U.S. Congressman's claimed the classified facility housing a UFO is hiding in plain sight.
		Well, that's kind of hiding and plain sight.
		They literally made a little antenna on the top, just like this sport model.
		Look at this sport model.
		It has that antenna on the top.
		I don't know what to believe, man.
		But I know I want to believe.
		270 feet in diameter.
		Holy shit.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it's fucking insane.
		Yeah, especially now with all the deep fake stuff that's going to come out.
		Like the next election will be in like deep fake territory.
		Everyone will be like, you were on the Epstein list.
		You were on it.
		No, you were.
		I'm like, I'm just, you know.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		You could have people saying all kinds of things that they've never said.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Or being like, I didn't do that.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Hanging out with people that never hung out.
Colbert Confusion 00:07:49
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I mean, there were all these photos that were fake of Epstein with a bunch of different people.
unidentified		Oh, yeah.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		No, there was a completely fake videos people were sharing.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		It's like, you know, so I don't know.
		By that time, it's like I've been trying to just pull back completely from like the news.
		And I'm like, you know.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Hey, what is the official story of the Colbert show where they had to air that Tallarico interview on YouTube?
		Because I'm hearing two versions.
		I'm hearing one version is that CBS wouldn't let them air it because Trump was involved and the government was involved somehow or another because they're worried about this Tallarico guys, this very charismatic guy in Texas that I really like.
		Very nice guy.
		I'm on the show.
		Brian Simpson told me about him.
		And then the other thing that I'm hearing is: no, with FCC equal time rules, if he had Tallarico on, he would also have to have Tallarico's opponent, which is, I think, Jasmine Crockett.
		Is that true?
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		I didn't even know.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Whoever his opponent is.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		So I think there's rules like that for the FCC that don't exist for podcasts.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		You know what I'm saying?
unidentified		Yeah, yeah.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		They have to balance it.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Like if you have this person on that's running for office, you also have to have someone that is opposing them.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		They have to have equal time.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		I didn't know they had.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Is that true?
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		So he was on, was he was on Colbert's show?
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Who show was he on?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Stephen Colbert show.
unidentified		Okay.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		And so they were framing it like it was the government was censoring this guy because they're worried, and he was saying they're worried that they're going to flip Texas.
		That's what he's saying.
		I don't know if that's true, though.
		Because I'm.
jamie vernon ▲ ● ▼		So it's the different, honestly, this sounds like it's Colbert saying one thing.
jamie vernon ▲ ● ▼		CBS lawyers are saying a different thing.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		What are CBS lawyers saying?
jamie vernon ▲ ● ▼		They're saying that it's the FCC thing.
jamie vernon ▲ ● ▼		Colbert says, quote, here, they know damn well every word of my script was approved by CBS lawyers who, for the record, approve every script that goes on the air.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, but it's not about the script.
		It's about the humans, the people that are on, if the people are – yeah, here it is.
		The show provided legal guidance that the broadcast could trigger the FCC equal time rule for two other candidates, including rep Jasmine Crockett, and presented options for how equal time for other candidates could be fulfilled.
		So you would have to have equal time.
		Colbert scoffed at this statement during Tuesday's show.
		They know damn well every word of my script, but it doesn't have anything to do with the script.
		Said they know damn well that every word of my script last night was approved by CBS lawyers who, for the record, approved every script that goes on the air.
		Well, that's just diverting because that's not what the subject is.
		Okay.
		I got called backstage to get more notes from these lawyers, something that had never ever happened before.
		They told us the language they wanted me to use to describe that equal time exception.
		And I used that language, Colbert said.
		So I don't know what this is about.
		He went on to say he wasn't mad at the network and does not want an adversarial relationship.
		Well, he's on his way out anyway.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I thought I didn't know he still was doing a show.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, he's doing it, I think, until like April or May or something.
		Come on, you're Paramount.
		No, no, no, you're more than that.
		Your Paramount Plus, he cracked.
		And for the lawyers to release this statement without even talking to me is really surprising.
		The host also noted there's been a long, very famous exception to the equal time rule, and that exception included talk shows, interviews with politicians.
		Oh, interesting.
		So that makes it interesting.
		We looked, we couldn't find one example of this rule being enforced for any talk show interview, not only for my entire late-night career, but for anyone's late-night career, going back to the 1960s, he said.
		Colbert said that Carr has not gotten rid of that exception, exception for talk show hosts yet.
		Maybe CBS was worried that this is a rule and that the government could crack down on them, although no one has ever done that in the past.
		So this is a different kind of government, right?
		Obviously, it's a very adversarial relationship, CBS, or at least the Colbert Show, has already with Trump.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		Well, what are they worried about?
		Who is Tallerico?
		What party is Tallarico?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		He's a Democrat.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Democrat, and Crockett, what's Crockett?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		He's a Democrat as well.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		He's a Democrat, too.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		What is like, oh, they're running against each other?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Exactly.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Exactly.
unidentified		Yeah.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Teller Rico is the white guy.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		He's a guy.
		His story is very interesting.
		He was a school teacher.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		And his story was that he had this kid that was very troubled in his class, but the kid was receiving counseling and it was starting to get better.
		Then budgets got cut.
		And when budgets got cut, they cut off the counseling.
		And this kid started fucking off and acting out and really falling apart.
		And he wound up getting kicked out of school.
		And it really hurt him because he was like, this kid had real potential.
		And he is a teacher.
		And so then he decided to run for office and to try to remedy these problems.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Gotcha.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		So didn't he just get like jammed up with something now where someone claimed they were in his office and that he said something kind of like disparaging about like a black guy?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Tylerico?
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		He's a very mild manner looking guy, right?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		There was, I don't know if I'm getting my politics.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Man, when people are running against people, stories start a flying.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		But there was a, it was about another politician.
		All he said was like, I didn't know I was going up against, you know, this like, I don't know, I guess like whatever word he used, like electrifying black man.
		I thought I was going up against a mediocre black guy.
		That was it.
		Some lady claimed that he called Colin Allred a mediocre black man.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Faced allegations that he referred to his opponent Colin Allred as a mediocre black man during a private conversation with an influencer.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		An influencer.
unidentified		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		A comment rep Tallarico has denied.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		The allegation caused significant backlash with Allred calling for supporters to vote for another candidate, Jasmine Crockett.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, so it's like.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that's a way to get people to not vote for that guy.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it kind of sucks.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		An influencer said it.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		An influencer was like, I worked in his campaign and he was like, if I known I was going up against this strong black woman, I wouldn't have known.
		I thought I was running against a mediocre black man.
		And then the guy responded being like, nothing about me is mediocre.
jamie vernon ▲ ● ▼		I wasn't into what the penalty is for the equal time rule.
jamie vernon ▲ ● ▼		And I don't really see one.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Poor Teller.
		Tell Rico's having a tough time.
		Especially if it sounds like he's a sweet guy who's like trying to help kids out.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		His name's too close to the guy that killed Epstein.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		What's his name?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		They keep fucking him up.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Taglioni, Tallarico.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that's.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I keep confusing them.
		When I say the killer's name, that cop, I keep saying, I think his name is Tagliote.
		No, Tallarico.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		No, shit.
		He's trying to catch up to him.
		He's like, I think this guy killed Epstein, actually.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		The thing is, like, an influencer said, like, what does that mean?
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I mean, it's, I mean, look, yeah, it's pretty genius, though.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		If you want to do dirty politics, you can just be like, but what if he said I was going, I thought I was going up against this mediocre guy, and now I'm going up against this powerful black lady.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		That's what it's not a bad.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		But then he didn't, he was like, you know, I'd be like, that makes sense.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		But he is a black man.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		So if you're saying mediocre guy, and it happens to be a black man, and then that person says, he said mediocre black man.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Like, oh, yeah, it's not, it's not even that bad of a thing to say.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		All you'd have to do is just not say the black part, and you'd be like, oh, he's just talking about a politician.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		The guy's mediocre.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		I know.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Happens to be black, but he's mediocre.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		But as soon as you describe him accurately, yeah, you just fried.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Especially, especially if you're a dad, man.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		If you're dead, you cannot be calling.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		No.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		He's a religious guy, too, which is interesting, but also opposes putting the Ten Commandments in schools.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
Guiding Voices in School 00:15:01
unidentified		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		He said I think it's going to push people away from Christianity.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		He had a very well-thought-out point about it.
unidentified		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		We had a really good conversation.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		So you don't need to be in school and be like, thou shalt not commit adultery.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		It's like, yeah, dude, they're not going to fuck your wife.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Well, it's not that.
		You're pushing this religious rule, these religious rules on people, and it's one religion.
		It's like, what about people that are Buddhists?
		What about people that are Muslims?
		What about people that are Mormons?
		What about you can go down the list forever and ever and ever, Hindus?
		Like, what do you come on?
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, and it's also, you can, you know, you can kind of summarize it up and like, just be nice.
		You know, I worked in a high school for a while.
		I was a counselor.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Oh, really?
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I was like, I went to school for social work for a while.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		So, like, what kind of counseling would you do?
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Just like therapy.
		I would, there was, it was, it was a really cool way they did it was like it was, you know, it was a charter school, and I was there as an intern because I was getting my master's in social work.
		So, they would have interns there as therapists for the school kids, basically, so that the kids could get free therapy at school if they were exhibiting kind of problems or whatever.
		So, it was like I worked at a, like, it was like an inner city school in Philly, and I would just go there and chill in an office, and they would just like, I'd have to get kids in class, and they would just come.
		We would like talk a couple times a week, and then you could bring their family in if they, if they're like, if they had problems at home, you'd be like, all right, let's call the mom and dad.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		This is what this guy was talking about.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		This is what Tallarico was talking about, what they cut funding for.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it's a shame because this school was like, they kind of like ran it themselves.
		I guess they're getting funded by the state, but the way they got around it was just using interns.
		So it wasn't like, you know, you're not getting like the most experienced people in the world.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		But you're getting some help.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Getting something, man.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Well, this kid that he was talking about, he had this very detailed story about this kid who's like a good kid, just came from a fucked up house.
		And he wanted, and these people around him were the only positive influences that he had ever had.
		And he was starting to get better.
unidentified		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		And then they took it away and he starts falling apart.
unidentified		Yeah.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		And dude, it's also like you don't, you forget, like, you know, because there's like for kids when you like, especially when you're like in a city and kids are telling you like their lives, it's like, it's fucking heartbreaking.
		Like the shit, like their day-to-day setup, you're like, fucking Christ, man.
		And then there's looking at you, like, what do I do?
		And I'm like, you got to hang in there.
		There's nothing I, there's literally nothing I can tell you to do.
		He's got to hang in there.
unidentified		Right.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		It was sad, but it was, it was one of like my favorite.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		If I didn't do stand-up, I would probably do that for a job.
unidentified		Yeah.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		I loved it.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		It was fun.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		That's well, it sounds very rewarding, right?
unidentified		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		You're actually helping people.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, and you have to, it's just like intense.
		You're just sitting there in a room with someone and it's like everything they're saying.
		There's no like guidance.
		You have to just be like, all right, well, like, maybe this, maybe that.
		And it's like a, I don't know.
		I felt really, I always liked it a lot.
		It was pretty cool.
		But then you would like, you go back to the school and I, I, it's, it's so funny.
		I went to social work school just because I was doing stand-up.
		I was kind of kicking around.
		I was like, yeah, I was doing the podcast, but it was like slow going.
		And I remember watching Jordan Peterson be like, the schools are crazy right now.
		And part of me, like, I always, I wanted to be a therapist, but I remember being like, kind of curious, like, I wonder how bad they are.
		And I went to school.
		I went to my master's program in social work, which was like ground zero for all like the stuff he was talking about.
		And he was, dude, it was, it was literally like worse than he made it out to be.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		What was it like?
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		It was insane, dude.
		It was literally like, you know, I went to school, again, to be a therapist, but like social work, you can be a therapist faster than if you go to school for psychology because you just like don't need any of the science, really.
		You just study kind of like the theory and you know, whatever.
		So you can be a therapist quicker.
		It's like a shortcut kind of.
		But it would be like, it was just literally, you'd be in a room with like 13 other people and they would like, you know, you talk about whatever it'd be, like, let's talk about like clinical approaches here and there.
		And it would just right away turn into like race, gender, who's the most oppressed, do this.
		And it was just like, people would tell stories.
		Like, one time this guy said this to me and everyone's like, I can't believe that fucking guy said that.
		It was literally like nothing.
		You paid 60 grand.
		It was like, like, I would be terrified if I was getting therapy.
		And again, it's like not everybody, but there's a lot of very unhappy, people would cry in class.
		So you'd be like talking and like people would just start bursting out in tears.
		Like, I don't feel safe.
		It was insane.
		And I'm like, dude, you're going to be talking to people who are like homeless.
		How are you going to help them?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Oh, my God.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		And it was all female.
		It was mostly female dominated.
		It was like me and three or four other guys.
		And then like people would come in because you'd bring your case files in and be like, here's something I'm dealing with.
		Let me get some, you know, what do you think about this?
		I remember this guy was dealing with this like Vietnam vet who like, you know, had like lived in Philly his whole life.
		And he was like, I was just shocked the way he talked about women.
		And it's like, bro, you're dirty macking your client, dude, for these chicks.
		I'm like, come on, man.
		It was just kind of weird.
		It was like, dude, you know, he's a fucking 70-year-old dude.
		He's lived in Philly his whole life.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		He probably stabbed Charlie in a tunnel somewhere.
unidentified		Yeah.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		And he was like, he was just very crude about women.
		It's like, come on, man.
		Of course this guy is.
		Don't throw him under the fucking bus.
		You're supposed to be helping.
		That was my whole point.
		It was like, if you're doing therapy with people, it's like, you know, life is just so hard and so complex.
		And if you're going to be like, this doesn't sit with my party politics, I was like, you guys got to drop the political shit, man, and just like meet these people where they're at.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Well, there's so many guys out there that just want brownie points.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		That's what I, and dude, he's exactly what it was.
		I was like, dude, I know what you're doing right now.
		You're dirty macking this guy.
		So you can be like, personally, I was offended.
		I'm like, dude.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		These guys are the worst.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		I couldn't stand it at all.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		These guys are the worst.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Then they try to kick me out of the school because when Shane got in trouble for SNL, my name popped up in the byline because they had no clue.
		It was like a double life.
		I would go to social work school.
		Because I just took out loans.
		I'm like, we'll just see what, you know, if the podcast works, I'll just pay off the loans.
		If it doesn't, I'll have a degree.
		And so I had been, it had been pretty contentious because my plan was like, dude, just go, keep it cool.
		Don't say anything.
		And then, dude, you'd be in these classrooms.
		And like, I remember the one time this lady, and they're all like young, they right out of college.
		They come out and they'd be like, well, and I believe this was like unprompted.
		She was like, well, if she was like, I would never personally call the cops on a black person ever.
		And I'm just sitting in the back of the room and I'm like, no one's going to say this is the craziest thing.
		And I'm like, what if he was beating a woman?
		And she was like, I mean, like, and like, it was just that non-fucking stop.
		And I couldn't help it.
		So I would start saying stuff.
		The room would go into chaos.
		So like, I literally couldn't bite my tongue.
		And then eventually they found, once they, they already kind of had it out for me.
		And once that news came out about the podcast, they were like, we got him dead to rights.
		So then they, they like the student council, like they, all of them, they didn't like me at all.
		They all kind of did a motion to get me kicked out.
		And so the teacher came to, or like, you know, the dean or whatever, who actually was nice.
		I liked her a lot.
		She like, I had a meeting with her and she was like, yeah, these people feel unsafe, blah, blah, blah.
		So I had to do him, and it was like unsafe or they just don't, you know, they don't like what they're hearing.
		But like they, I had a meeting with like the board, basically.
		Would you ever like fantasize about getting like defending yourself in court?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		I got to do that.
		And I got to have like a, you know, we got to like debate about whether or not I actually violated the code of ethics.
		And it was like kind of this gray area.
		So it was like, it was awesome.
		I recorded it on my phone.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Wow.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		It's like an hour long.
		I never listened to it again, but it was like, because I was like, just in case they jammed me up, the lady was like, you know, like, if what would you do if we kicked you out?
		And I was like, dude, like, I'll make the most of that for sure.
		Like, I wouldn't want to do it, but I would just see you guys, man.
		Like, you can't kick me out.
		I'm already like invested.
		I, you know, blah, blah, blah.
		And then COVID happened.
		So like they just hushed it all.
		I just got to finish online class.
		Yeah, they tried to give me the boot.
		And I remember the day.
unidentified		Wow.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Did they have a specific thing that they were upset about?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Was it your association with Shane?
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		It was just that clip, that Chinatown clip came out.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Oh, wow.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		And they just saw us.
		Like, I'm sure they looked into other stuff, but they were like, he's making this place unsafe.
		We're not safe here.
		And I was like, shut up.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, podcasters and academia.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		It was, dude.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		It was academia.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		That does not go together.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Also, dude, like, I thought having a master's, I was going to be around geniuses.
		It's like, they're not that smart.
		You go to a place of masters and PhDs.
		Half of them don't even like read anything.
		You talk about a book, they're like, I never heard of that.
		And then they'd show you like Netflix.
		You're like, bro, I'm paying 60 grand for this.
		You're hitting me with a Netflix dock.
		It's like, this is eight bucks a month.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		They were showing you Netflix docs in class?
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		We watched the Netflix doc.
		One of the classes, we watched the 13th Amendment.
		And I was like, I saw this already.
		What the fuck, man?
		Like, it's the that, like, I mean, I remember thinking, like, damn, everyone was on Peterson's ass about this.
		He was totally right.
		Liberal or liberal arts colleges were like, it was, I couldn't have thought of a bigger waste of money in terms of like bang for buck.
		And like, what did I actually learn?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Well, I remember when we were talking about all the madness that was going on in schools, and people are like, why do you care about this?
		This is happening in college.
		I'm like, they're going to eventually graduate and they're going to have this ideology and they're going to get into corporations.
		They're going to get into business.
		They're going to carry this with them and try to enforce these crazy rules.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Or you know somebody like your kids having problems and you go to a therapist and they're just like psycho.
		Like there was, we would talk about modalities of therapy.
		One of them, someone floated and the teacher was like, oh yeah, for sure.
		It was called like, it was, I don't know what it was called.
		It was like activism therapy where you get people politically active in order to like motivate them and enrich their lives.
		And I was like, you can't do that.
		You can't take it like a confused, existentially adrift person and be like, this is what you need to do.
		Politically active.
		I swear to God, dude, it was there was there was like really creepy stuff going on there.
		And it was all just like complete group think.
		You couldn't like if you said anything outside of like what was acceptable, you would just get punished.
		The teachers would kind of even like, some of them would try to like scold you or be like, yeah, okay, dude.
		And it's like, it's, it's a lot.
		It would, I could see it why it would just break people because I would like, my heart would be beating.
		I don't really like conflict like that.
unidentified		Yeah.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		But it was also like, dude, some of the stuff you're like, I can't not say anything.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		This is insane, dude.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Did you ever talk about this on stage?
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		No, I've never really talked about being in social work.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Oh my God.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		It's like there's gold in them, Dar Hills.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		It was fun.
		That time of the podcast, I would leave school.
		Then I come back to the podcast.
		I'm like, bro, you won't believe what the fuck these people are saying.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		You say it on the podcast?
		Oh, that's awesome.
		It just seems like it's a great gold mine for stand-up.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Like, because you have a very unique experience.
		True.
		As a window into how crazy people are in school.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		No, it was, it was terrifying, man.
		And then the weirdest part is like after years went by, they were like, do you want to get your PhD here?
		I was like, no.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		After COVID?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		After it all, I just wanted your money.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Exactly.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		I saw that and I was like, man, get the hell out of here.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		It would be nice to be calling yourself Dr. Matt, though.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Bro, don't think I didn't think about it.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Come on, dog.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Come on, dog.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		I know.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		That just shows you how many kooky doctors there are out there.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		That really opened my eyes.
		I thought doctors were like the smartest people in the world.
		And I went to like higher education.
		I'm like, this is fucking insane.
unidentified		Yeah.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Anyone can, you could be a doctor, dude.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Anyone could, I mean, obviously, like, anyone could be a fucking doctor.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Especially about some subjects, right?
unidentified		Exactly.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		That's a thing.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Not like hard sciences.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Not hard science.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		If you want to be a doctor, you could go for like anthropology, whatever.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		No problem, dude.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		No.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		And they can't say shit.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Like, you can make up, you can like make your thesis on anything and be like, excuse me.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Well, did you ever see what Peter Bogosian and James Lindsay and Ellen Pluckrose did?
		Do you know what they did?
		No.
		They made these fake academic papers.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		I saw that.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		like heteronormative something in dog parks.
		They were talking about like gay experiences with dogs have it was like a peer-reviewed paper.
		Fat bodybuilding was one of them.
unidentified		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		And these, they were like celebrated.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		These papers were celebrated.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Dude, it would go 100% with the theory, like the critical race theory and all that stuff you cover.
		When you get into it, you're like, it was, and I remember like saying this, it was very like, it reminded me, because I'd been outside of Walmart and someone handed me like a pamphlet and it was like white supremacy literature.
		And when you read that stuff, you read the first two sentences, you go, okay, that sounds legit.
		And then it just, there's like huge quantum leap in reasoning.
		You're like, whoa, how the fuck did we get here?
		A lot of that's very similar where it'll make a thing like you just, no one can disagree with.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Right.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		And then it jumps real quick and you're like, just complete group think.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		But it was, that was scary to be like, damn, dude, these people are going to be like, these people are therapists working with kids, older people, you know, this and that.
		You know, and it was just like, I was like, how is this the people supposedly like, you know, guiding people through life or like taking people who are lost or suffering and being, you know, I don't know.
		It was, it was kind of rough.
		Because the animus against a person who like thought differently, it was palpable and like very severe to where it was like, dude, and the funniest part was like, I was, again, I was in that high school in the inner city.
		The school was like 97% black, the rest Latino.
		And they were like, how would your students feel about your podcast material?
		I'm like, they don't give a fuck.
		They would laugh.
		Like they have bigger fish to fry than being like, what did you say on a podcast?
		It's like, they're like high schoolers in Philly fighting for their lives.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		How did your students feel?
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		That was the big disconnect.
		I'm like, you guys have like, I don't know, man.
		Like, they would even teach you.
		This would crack me up.
		I was like thinking about this the other day where they would tell you, if you had a client and, you know, say your client was black and, you know, I'm a white guy, I should lead by going like, how do you feel about the fact that I'm white and you're black?
		I was like, dude, you guys realize you're in a classroom studying how to talk to a black person.
		I'm like, that's fucking weird.
		I was like, just talk to, like, you can just talk to them, man.
		And if that comes up, you can tackle it.
		But like, you're uncomfortable.
		And then you're going like, so black person, how do you feel that I'm white?
		It's like, dude, that is, and they would push back against me.
		I'm like, no, no, no, you guys can't do that.
		That's crazy.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Well, you were actually applying it in the real world.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		They were just exhibiting, they were just hanging out in these circle jerks.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Exactly.
		And a lot of them would be like, you know, I'm social justice, blah, blah, blah.
		And you're like, all right, where's your field placement?
		That was like your, you know, that was like your internship.
		And they're like, oh, I'm out in like the main line.
		It's like a really nice area in Philly.
		It's like, I'm doing like a high school on the main line.
		It's like, okay, dude.
		It's like, you know, it's like, take that act somewhere else.
		And it's like, those kids don't want to hear any of this shit at all.
		And I would let you talk to them.
		Like, if race comes up, I would talk to them.
		But like, you, that would have been so crazy to take a black eighth grader and being like, I'm white.
		How do you feel about that?
		That would be so creepy and weird.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Isn't it crazy that they think you're obligated to bring that up?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		You have an obligation to discuss it.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Also, it's like they fucking know.
		They can see me.
		I'm clearly white.
		They know I'm white.
		And it's like, exactly.
		It's like, and if that talk, talk, talk, talk, and then you can like bring it up because it's a thing, but it's like leading with that.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I always be like least of their problems.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Exactly.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		They're just probably happy someone takes an interest in them and is kind to them.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Dude, that was a big thing too.
		Of like, you know, because you get them out of class and a lot of them, they'd be like, I'm fucking talking to this guy.
		It's like, whatever.
		And I would just chill and be like, you can just do your homework.
		And then you just start helping them with their homework.
		Like, what are you doing?
		And then you eventually build rapport.
		But it was just like, you know, I'm like, these are the teachers telling you this.
		And you're like, fuck, dude, you guys are guiding people into this.
		It was, dude, I walked away from that being like, God damn.
People Love Determinism 00:09:02
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Well, there's a lot of people that think that like a lot of psychology and a lot of therapy is just complete horseshit.
		And the argument about therapy being complete horseshoe in terms of like the academic study of it and applying it to people is that very few people, you know, get better.
		I think it does help a lot of people, though.
		And I think it really helps a lot of people if they're in a really bad place.
		I think some people just want to talk to somebody.
unidentified		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		And that can help too.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		But it's like, what is the, what can you actually do for them in terms of like with the tools and the techniques of therapy versus just being a human and talking to a human and seeing their side of things and trying to tell them your perspective and trying to give them a rational point of view and giving them some maybe some things to work on.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		But it's like, it's not a science.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Not at all.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		And it varies so much between individuals.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Well, yeah, there's the individuals.
		Then there's 40 million modalities of therapy.
		So it's like you can be doing like CBT, which is like, that's supposedly the most scientific where it's like, there's a system.
		It's a kind of rigorous.
		You can have like Jungian stuff where you're like, what'd you, let's draw like a mandala based on your dreams.
		Or you can just be like, let me just be nice to this person who's never had anyone be nice to them.
		And then let them kind of open up.
		And like, yeah, I think they did a study one time where they took, they let people who weren't trained therapists be therapists and they didn't find a giant difference in terms of like who was getting what result.
		But then there's, it is a skill, though.
		That's the other thing.
		Like it's a skill.
		It's a hard job.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		But I think you're totally right where it's like, it all depends on the person.
		Have they, are they in touch with what's fucked the therapist?
		Do they know about like what's fucked up with them?
		And like because you can like, I don't know, man.
		It's, it's such a crapshoot.
		And it's like, I think it can be beneficial.
		I think like being stuck in it your whole life, I don't know about that because it just becomes a thing where you start performing and you're like, fuck, let me.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Well, a lot of people feel like you have to be in therapy and everybody should be in therapy.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		I don't know.
		Like, I remember I didn't do it ever.
		And then when I went to school for therapy, they're like, you got to go, you got to go to therapy so that like you can know what it's like and blah, blah, blah.
		It's like, fair enough.
		And I genuinely walked in there being like, I'm about to blow this lady's mind.
		She's going to be like, I've never met a guy so put together.
		And then like I went in there and she kind of picked me apart and I was like, fuck, I'm kind of fucked up.
		I didn't know that.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		That's funny.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		But it was, I, for real, was like, I'm going to, this lady's about to be like, bro, let me just tell you about my life.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		I like, for real, had so much fun.
unidentified		You're going to be the therapist for her.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		I thought I was a chosen one.
		It was good, though, because like they, the one thing they can do is like, if you're in a family system and you have no other like, you know, available worldviews, you're, you're locked in that.
		So a therapist can be somebody outside of a system you would never wise ever have access to who can let you run like things through your head in a way you would never think of.
		That I think is good.
		But then it's like, you know, at a certain point, it's like, I feel like you should get in, get out.
		Kind of like, all right, here's some things.
		It's like, there's like acceptance commitment therapy.
		That's good.
		It's like they teach you how to be like mindful, how to like monitor your thoughts without having them like completely attached.
		There's like, there are like skills you can learn.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		But it's like, dude, fucking, and the money of it's crazy.
		Like, that's the other thing.
		Like, it's so expensive.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Right.
		And does insurance pay for it for most people?
		How does it?
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		It depends.
		It'll cover it for some.
		You have to be that you have to get a therapist in that network.
		And then they have to diagnose you.
		If insurance wants to, if you want your insurance to cover you, that therapist has to diagnose you with a mental disorder or some sort of mental thing.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Oh, do they have to prescribe something for you?
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		I don't think they have to prescribe.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		No.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		That's interesting.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Do they have to just give you your bipolar adjustment disorder is the one where it's like.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		But with psychiatrists, like, I wonder how many of them are just like incentivized to put you on something.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Probably a ton.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		They're just like doctors.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Right.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		So, and then some of them just swear by it.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		They're like, just take this, take that, take this.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I have a friend who went to a psychiatrist and he said that like immediately, like first meeting, this guy's trying to put him on antidepressants.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		And he's like, well, I don't think I need that.
		Like, I'm not that fucked up.
		I'm just not happy.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I'm sad.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		It's also first meeting is crazy because it's like, let's see what your life's about.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		No, he's like, let's get you on this and it'll make you feel better.
unidentified		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		And we'll work from there.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Well, some of those guys are like ruthless materialists where you're like, yeah, your brain's just fucked up, dude.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Did you ever see the Sipowski guy?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, Robert Spalding.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I think he's great.
		I loved his lectures, but his last book, and again, this was like from him promoting it.
		I didn't read it, but his argument was like, yeah, we just all have different brains.
		And if you're like, you know, if you're like a fucking home invader or a burglar, it's just your genes suck.
		And like, we shouldn't never punish anybody.
		We should just kind of like keep people aside and just rehabilitate.
		Basically saying like you have no choice over what you do at all.
		Free will is a complete illusion.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, the determinism argument.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I don't know about that argument.
		I mean, obviously free will is real, but obviously you are affected by your genes, your life circumstances, your past behavior, all the experiences that you've had.
		There's a lot of factors.
		To say that will doesn't mean anything, well, then why is inspiration so important?
		Why do people love inspiration?
		Why do people love like a good pep talk?
		Why do people love a good motivational video that gets you out of the house?
		Like, obviously, there's will involved.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		And will is the thing that turns you into a jelly roll at 500 pounds to jelly roll at 200 pounds.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Like that's what will does.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Like that is, that's a real thing, man.
		That's not a, it's not a fake thing.
		This idea of free will.
		It's no determinism that led Jellyroll to decide to start walking.
		That was hardcore will.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		No, I agree.
		I don't, that argument always bothers.
		I like Sipalsky.
		I liked a lot of his stuff.
		That argument just bothers me because it's like, okay, you're taking the idea of will and just switching it with like this nebulous, like what there's like an isotope in your brain that is all, it gets switched on and then you're able to, it's just, to me, it's such a like a just a weird point to kind of like try to push across where like there's no free will.
		It's just your gene activates and then you do the thing and it's like, I guess, man.
		But then you can like change your genes apparently by like acting a certain way.
		So it's like, you know, that's, I just never like that stuff, man.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		It's a weird argument, but there's validity to both perspectives.
		There's validity to the perspective that free will is a real thing, but also determinism is a, it's a giant factor in how many people live their lives the way they live them.
		Yeah.
		Especially if you're in a shit circumstance, you're in a terrible gang-ridden community, you get beaten in your house, your mom's on crack, there's chaos everywhere.
		The idea that you're going to come out of this writing vegan poetry is insane.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		It's true.
		It's insane.
		That's true.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		That's insane.
		You're a product of your environment, at least to a certain extent.
		And usually someone finds something that they love that gives them an outlet and then they get out of there.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		The problem with the determinism stuff for me is like, because I do get that.
		It's like, you know, yeah, if you have a horrible upbringing and you do a whole, you know, you kill people, it is like, yeah, I get it.
		Like, if I that had been me, maybe I can do that.
		And like, he's like, maybe we should treat everyone a lot more kindly and not punish people.
		And it's like, I'm all on board with that.
		It all for me, it all stops at pedophiles.
		And it's like, so what?
		We're supposed to just like poo-poo a pedophile.
		It's like, part of me is like, we should probably fucking fry those guys.
		Where it's like.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's one of the craziest things about this whole, what's going on, the woke shit in academia, is they're starting to call them minor attracted persons.
unidentified		Yeah, that's true.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		So there's like legitimate academics who are describing pedophiles as minor attracted persons and that it doesn't mean that they're evil.
		It's like, what?
		Yeah.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		I know, and that's the problem.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		It's like, especially if you have kids.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Like, I don't know anybody who has kids who has that perspective.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		No.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		If you did, you have to be like a sick fuck, like to think that it's, oh, it's just a minor attractive person that fucked my kid.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Like, what?
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, well, and that's the whole thing, too, where it's like, we're all just bags, you know, of like jeans, and we're this material goo that just does something sometimes.
		It's like, all right, well, let me fucking squash this pedophile.
		Then let me, if we're all just bags of goo, so let me, you know, crush this guy.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		But it's like, right, it's okay to board a child, but it's not okay to kill a pedophile.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		I know.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Explain.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Help me.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that's where it gets for me all that like determinism.
		Like, we should just be kind and have a more rational approach to criminal justice.
		It's like, for sure.
		And then it's like, ah, fuck pedophiles.
		It's like, yeah, you can't.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Pedophiles, serial killers.
unidentified		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		There's a lot of rapists.
		There's a lot of different people you could throw into that.
		One of the interesting things about Sapolsky is he did some crazy work on toxoplasmosis.
		That's how I really got into him.
unidentified		Really?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, he was the guy that we first started reading about that was saying that a disproportionate amount of motorcycle victims, when he was doing his residency, the guy who he was working with, one of the surgeons, would test the motorcycle victims for toxoplasmosis.
Cats, Parasites, and Behavior 00:02:50
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		And he said a giant percentage of them have this cat parasite.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		I've heard about this.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		This cat parasite alters behavior.
		It makes you more reckless.
		It makes you more prone to erratic mood swings.
		It makes you more aggressive.
		It's interesting.
		Yeah.
		A disproportionate amount of successful soccer teams have high levels of toxoplasmosis.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Damn.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Countries with higher toxoplasmosis.
		There could also be countries of higher toxoplasmosis don't have any money.
		It's easier to get a soccer ball.
		People get good at soccer.
		It's a way out of the game.
		I mean, a way out of bad neighborhoods.
		But this motorcycle victim thing is nuts because we know it affects human behavior.
		And we also know that it affects animal behavior.
		It makes cats, it grows inside cats' guts.
		It's the only way that it reproduces.
		So what it does is it rewires a sexual reward system of rodents.
		And like mice and rats get turned on by the smell of cat piss.
		So they go to seek out cat puss with like a boner, like literally.
		And they lose all their fear of cats so that the cats devour them.
		And so when the cats devour them, then that parasite is now inside the cat's gut, which is where it reproduces.
		So that's why they tell pregnant women you should never touch cat litter.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Really?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		It's toxoplasmosis.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		And they think it does the same thing in humans where it just makes you like kind of amps up your drives.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Damn, that's you know what else is nuts too?
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Because you were saying that's more in like certain countries that are like developing.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Well, it's in rural areas, any places where people have like outdoor cats.
		Yeah.
		But there was one point where in France, it was like 50% of the people had toxo.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Jesus Christ.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, because it was wild cats everywhere.
unidentified		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		And you got to think cats are, they're on your countertop.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Their fucking shit is on their paws.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		I don't, that's the one thing.
		Like, I have dogs.
		I, I, cats are fine.
		If I see a cat, I'll pet it.
		But like, when I see people's cats on their countertop, and I don't get squeamish easily.
		I'm just kind of like, ew, dude.
		It's kind of gross.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Well, they shit in a box, they paw around in that box of shit and piss, and then they hop on your couch.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Just shit and piss on their paws.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Dogs go outside.
		They take a shit.
		They come inside.
		They're good.
		As long as your dog doesn't rub his asshole on your dinner plates, you're probably okay.
		But I've had cats that walk on your plates.
		They don't give a shit.
		They'll take a seat on your plate.
		Yeah, like you're like, I have to get a new plate now, you fuck.
		What are you doing?
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Get off of that.
		They're funny, but I've seen every time I see them get out of the litter box and walk across people's countertops.
		I'm like, dude.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		It's funny.
		I've always had them, though.
		Well, I don't have them now because my kids are allergic.
		When I was younger, I had them, and they are fun.
		I like them.
		They're fun pets.
		They're cute.
		They come over you and purr.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		But it is weird that you have a box of shit in your house.
		And there's a lot of people like they're lazy and you go over their house that they have a cat.
		They're not cleaning that litter box enough.
		And as soon as you walk in, they'll.
Allergies and Beyond 00:15:39
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Fucking waft of piss and shit.
		Yeah, it hits you in the like, bro.
		You're just smelling this all day.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		So bad.
		I would need an outdoor.
		I used to let stray cats come in my house when I lived.
		After college, I lived in a house by myself in Philly.
		It was like a small house.
		And a lot of the houses on the street have been knocked down.
		So there's only like, there were row homes, but I had a standalone row home.
		There's a lady across the street at a standalone row home.
		They just knocked all the houses next to us down and like two other people.
		And I would let the stray cat into my house be like, oh, just, you know, you can come stay in here.
		But I'd be like, you can't, like, this thing can't get in my bed.
		And like, by like three days, that thing was like curled up next to my face.
		I got a fucked up eye infection.
unidentified		Yeah.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		It was called epigemic.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		No, it's called epidemic keratoconjunctivitis.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		It's called shit in your eye.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Literally, it was, but the eye doctor was like, hi doctor goes, I only see this.
		This is like in third world countries.
		And dude, for six months afterwards, after it got cleared up, they had to shut the thing down and clean the whole eye practice.
		Afterwards, my eye at 10 o'clock would start to droop.
unidentified		Whoa.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Because the white blood cells would rush to my eye.
		So I would be out, dude, for six months after this thing.
		It finally cleared up because it was viral.
		They're like, there's nothing you can do for it.
		I would go out.
		My eye would just start drooping.
		I'd be like, I got to go home.
		I got to go home.
		I would feel like I had fucking.
unidentified		Yes.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		I feel like I had fucking sand in my eye.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Highly contagious, severe eye infection caused by adenovirus, typically types A, 8, 19, 37, cause rapid onset of red, painful, watery eyes, often with light sensitivity, blurred vision, and swollen eyelids.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Whoa.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Dude, I would wake up in the morning, my eyelid was, it was stuck together, and I have to pull it open.
		And then I saw the movie Ray.
		Remember the beginning of Ray when his eyes get all globbed up?
		I was like, dude, am I going blind?
		This would suck.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		That would suck if you got blind from a cat's asshole.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		That would fucking suck, dude.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Bro.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		A friend of mine has shingles on his face.
		It's crazy.
		His whole face is all swollen up and he's worried he might go blind.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		He has it now?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, he just got it.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		He's an older guy, and he just got it.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		What is shingles like when you don't get chickenpox and it like comes and gets you afterwards?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I don't think so.
		I think it's a form of the herpes virus that affects older people in particular.
		Older people are terrified of it.
		They get shingles vaccinations and shit.
		Is that what it is?
jamie vernon ▲ ● ▼		I thought chickenpox was herpes too.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Oh, really?
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		I always heard that if you don't get chickenpox as a kid, you might get shingles as an adult.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		My uncle got shingles and he said sucked.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Known as herpes zoster, a viral infection that causes a painful rash.
		It stems from the reactivation of the viricella zooster virus, the same one responsible for chickenpox, which lies dormant in nerve tissues after the initial infection.
		So after you get the infection, then you can get shingles.
		Oh, no.
		After chickenpox resolves, the virus remains inactive in the body's nerve cells.
		Factors like aging, weakened immunity, or stress can trigger reactivation, leading to shingles.
		Most commonly in adults over 50.
		Yeah.
		Yeah, my friend is like in his 60s.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		That sucks, dude.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		That's rough.
		A lot of older people are scared of shingles.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		My uncle got it.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Is the shingles vaccine effective?
		Does it prevent shingles?
		Is that one of the legit ones?
jamie vernon ▲ ● ▼		This says vaccines like shingrix reduce rift significantly.
jamie vernon ▲ ● ▼		Antiviral drugs shorten outbreaks if started early.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Oh, you got to get on it right when you see the first bump.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Oh, you suck, dude.
		Somebody knows kids got MRSA from swimming in one of those.
		Oh, dude, it was scary.
		We got the pictures.
		It was just like bubble.
		It looked crazy.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		MRSA is terrifying.
unidentified		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		That's all from people taking antibiotics.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Or it was staph.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Staff and MRSA.
unidentified		Staff.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it was staph.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Staph is the more dangerous one.
		Excuse me.
		MRSA is the more dangerous one because MRSA is medically medical resistant stuff.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Medicine resistant.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		So this was just staph.
		So it was like a giant bubble on their hand.
		It looked crazy.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I've had staph.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Did you really?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I've had it a couple times.
unidentified		Oh, yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I got it from jiu-jitsu.
		A lot of people get it.
		Yeah.
		It's real common.
		Like a lot of people get it and they don't even realize they have it until it's too late.
		Like, Ari had it, and he didn't even know he had it.
		We were playing pool once, and he was limping.
		He was walking around.
		I go, why are you limping?
		And he goes, oh, I got a spider bite.
		And he was doing jiu-jitsu.
		I bought him a year of jiu-jitsu for Christmas.
		Yeah.
		I forced him to celebrate Christmas.
		I didn't say it's Hanukkah.
		I got him for Christmas.
		But I go, let me see.
		And he rolls his pants up and I see this bubble.
		on his knee with like a pus center of it.
		And I go, we're going to the hospital right now.
		He goes, are you serious?
		I unscrew my cue.
		I go, you have to go to the hospital right now.
		I go, right now.
		I go, that's staph infection.
		And he was like, why don't they fucking tell us about it?
		Why aren't there signs at the gym warning you about?
		I'm like, that's a good point.
		Like, you kind of have to hear about it from somebody.
unidentified		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I found out about it from my friend Tate.
		Shout out to Tate Fletcher, my homie.
		We were at the airport once and I had shorts on and I had just like my foot sitting up like this.
		He goes, what's on your calf?
		I had like little pimples on my calf.
		I'm like, I don't know, nothing.
		And he goes, dude, I think that's staph.
		And I'm like, what?
		Like, these are like little zits.
		You think that's staph?
		And he goes, yeah, you should go get that checked out.
		And I went to the doctor and he said, yeah, that looks like staph.
		He goes, I'm going to put you on antibiotics right away and we're just going to swab it and send it in, but I don't want to wait.
		And I got on it right away.
		And so I killed it quick.
		But I remember the antibiotics.
		Dude, you feel so weird when you're on there.
		Yeah, he's like so tired.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		I hate taking them, man.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Some guys fight on them.
		I know guys that have got staph infections in the UFC, fought off the staph infection with antibiotics and then fought on the antibiotics, which is crazy.
		Yeah.
		I don't know how you'd have any endurance.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		No.
		I always feel weird.
		I also like they messed my stomach up so bad.
		Oh, yeah.
		But my stomach's fried everywhere.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Well, my friend Gordon Ryan, that's his belt up there.
		He's the greatest jiu-jitsu grappler of all time.
		He has to retire because he got staffed so many times that he was taking antibiotics so often that it fucking nuked his gut bacteria.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Ah, fuck.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		And like, he can't hold food down.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		He throws up all the time.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Sucks.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it's crazy.
		He's been dealing with it for years.
		And he just announced on Instagram really recently that he has to retire.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Dude, I got he can't train.
		That sucks.
		I fucking played.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		And he's the greatest of all time.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		And he just had, he's done.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		And he's 30.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah.
		That sucks.
		Like, unanimously regarded as the greatest grappler of all time.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		And that's it.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		He's gone like 10 years undefeated, beating the best fighters in the world.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		He's like time off.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Can he just take like he's trying?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		He's done that.
		He hasn't competed in a couple of years.
		He can't do it.
		He can't train.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		That sucks.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		It's like it keeps coming back.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Dude, I had eczema one time and it came up on my, it was like on my legs and it was on my dick.
		And I thought it was ringworm because it was like a perfect circle.
		So I go to the, you know, I go to the whatever, urgent care, and I'm like, I got fucking ringworm.
		And they're like, that's weird.
		Usually doesn't get one there.
		But they're like, just put fucking, you know, lotrim.
		I think what I muscle.
		Yeah, like lotramen, that shit.
		So I put lotramen on my dick and it just dried like the whole thing.
		It was like, it was disgusting.
		So then I had to go back to another urgent care.
		And it would have been like the second or third time.
		I just showed like a fucking shriveled, flaccid, like chap's red penis.
		I showed this one nurse who goes, like, I don't know.
		Calls in another nurse.
		And I'm like, fuck.
unidentified		All right.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		She comes in.
		I don't know what that is.
		They call him someone else.
		I'm like, oh, a third nurse.
		Giant black guy comes in.
		I'm like, no, no, no.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		You know, he's going to laugh as soon as he leaves.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Bro, he was probably, I can't believe.
		Yeah, it was bad.
		And then finally, I finally went to a dermatologist and I, dude, you can look it up.
		Center City Dermatology run by just like a babe.
		Like, it's on the website.
		Everyone knows this who's ever gone there.
		My friend, I was talking about it one time.
		My friend was like, bro, I know exactly what you're talking about.
		She comes in, checks it out, and she's like, dude, you had, you know, that wasn't even ringworm.
		And then she gave me this cream and it like cleared it right up.
		So I had to show like my chap.
		It was like a leprosy, bro.
		That's whoa.
		Yeah, dude.
unidentified		That's just for us.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		She saw me at my worst, dude.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Hilarious.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		So I had to show it to like four people.
		It was like a leprosy penis.
		And then eventually she was like, oh, no, dude, take like, it was like a cordosteroid, cleared it right up.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I know people that have had eczema that went on a carnivore diet and they went away.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		I can't have, I can't have gluten.
		That's the thing.
		I've been allergic to gluten for a while.
		And if I kind of backslide on that, it's like I'll get little eczema flare-ups.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		A lot of people are allergic to it.
		And a lot of people don't think it's actually the gluten.
		They think it's actually how they finish the crops with glyphosate.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		I've heard about that.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		Which kind of makes sense because like, why are all these gluten intolerant?
		Nobody heard about those in the 70s.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		No.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		There was no one gluten intolerant.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		No, it was, dude, weird.
		The weird thing is my mom, she's always been a health person.
		She got this book because she had health problems in like, it might have been the 80s.
		My aunt was a nurse, gave her this book, and my mom self-diagnosed gluten allergy in like the 80s.
		And everyone's like, you're out of your fucking mind.
		Like nobody has this, blah, blah, blah.
		And yeah, and then like when I was in college, I was like, dude, like, I feel like my, every time I swallow food, it feels stuck in my throat.
		I have like gas.
		I'm burping.
		My stomach's fucked up.
		I'm not sleeping.
		I was having like racing thoughts and shit.
		And she was like, oh, try not eating gluten for a while.
		Dude, it cleared it up.
		Like it was insane.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I wonder if that's the same with like gluten that you get in Europe where they're not using any glyphosate.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		No, that's what I heard.
		You can eat, apparently you can go eat it, you know, in Europe and it's fine.
		I remember I took a test finally and it was like, it was like one of those like internet blood test things.
		And I came up like allergic to not even the gluten.
		It's like gliding, which is like another protein inside of wheat, which I don't know if it's at the same thing or what.
		It was just like an allergy to it.
		I showed it to Shane.
		It was moderate and he goes, moderate.
		You're a pussy.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Have a pizza.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		I was like, fuck.
		Why did I show you?
		He was always like, everyone's like, it's fake.
		It's in your head.
		You're full of shit.
		So I finally have proof.
		I'm like, what are you going to do about it now?
		He goes, moderate, pussy.
		Like, fuck.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		It's one of the worst intolerances to have because the food is so delicious.
		Like, think about it.
		Spaghetti, lasagna, bread, sandwiches.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		I don't, and eating the gluten-free bread is like not, it's not.
		At that point, you just go, like, I'm not eating bread.
		It's not really good.
		In order to make it good, you have to put so much shit in it that you're like, I might as well not eat that.
		I've been off gluten since I was like 21.
unidentified		Wow.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		And then anytime I would like backslide at a restaurant where they cook with it and stuff, it would, you know, fuck me up.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Weirdly enough, though, if I get enough sunlight, I can tolerate a lot more stuff.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I guarantee that's a vitamin D thing.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		I think, I don't know.
		It's weird, man.
		Every time I go to a doctor, they're just like, bro, I don't know.
		I don't know what to tell you.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Well, vitamin D is good for your immune system, and these are autoimmune issues.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		It makes sense that they would kind of be connected somehow or another.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, because I couldn't eat.
		After the gluten, it was like, then I couldn't eat dairy.
		And then every time I'd get sunlight, I could eat the day.
		It was fucking weird.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		What nuts is the sunlight thing?
		Like, for so long, people are saying, stay out of the sun.
		Sun's going to kill you.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		It's crazy.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		And now they're going, no, no, no.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		You need to get in the sun or you're going to die.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		I know.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		What's the new, we got the new food pyramid now?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I know.
		Well, a lot of people are so angry.
		They're so angry at RFK Jr. for flipping the food pyramid.
		But there's so much evidence that this is the accurate way to eat.
		This is the way people are supposed to be eating.
		It's like whole foods, like actual food, like vegetables, meat, fish.
		Like, that's what you're supposed to eat.
		Like actual food that people have been eating for thousands of years.
		That's how you're supposed to eat.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Dude, that's the one I, that's the stuff to backlash against them.
		That I'm like, I don't get it, man.
		It's like getting like the weird shit out of foods that they don't have in Europe for like schools and stuff.
		And it's like.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		That was always the left wing's position.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		I do.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		It was like, no preservatives, no additives, natural foods.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		I know that.
		And that's the thing, too.
		Like, I love because I have all these food allergies.
		So, like, I got to go to like a hipster-y kind of like rainbow flag restaurant.
		That's the only place I can eat from.
		So I'm like, I know you guys like this.
		Why are you pretending to not like getting rid of like Red 40 and all that shit?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Because it's connected with Trump, because RFK Jr. is a part of this party, well, part of this administration.
		And so it became a political thing.
		People are just so silly.
		They'd rather commit suicide.
		They'd rather poison themselves than admit that he's right.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		It's insane.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Just be like, dude, just give him one and be like, all right, that's actually a good one.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		But it's that resistance to recognizing maybe this person that I don't agree with because he's connected to this other person that I don't agree with.
		Maybe he's got some good points.
		Maybe if a person that was like someone that I aligned with ideologically had the same points, I would be like, yes, thank you.
		Yes, these preservatives are terrible.
		Yes, these dyes are terrible.
		Yes, this is bad for you.
		Yes, you should have warning labels.
		Yes, other countries have banned these products.
		Why do we have them?
		Yes.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Dude.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		And especially if you have kids, it's like, dude, you worry more about that than like your kids not eating a bunch of crazy bullshit.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		It's like, dude, just let it go.
		You can be like, all right, like, I don't like this, but that's fucking rot.
		I like that.
		Let's let them cook on that.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		And it's like, well, so many people that aren't religion, don't have religion in their life, they worship science.
		Like science, they treat it as if this is like a doctrine and a dogma.
		And if you don't support it, you're a heretic.
		Yeah.
		Something wrong with you.
		It's like, well, do you know those people?
		These scientists, like a lot of them are fucking severely compromised.
		They're compromised by financial incentives.
		They're compromised by academic incentives.
		They're trapped in these systems where you're forced to have groupthink.
		You have this top-down control.
		The people that are at the top are controlled and connected to these pharmaceutical drug companies.
		They're pushing these ideas.
		Like, this isn't all clean.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		They're hanging with Epstein too.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I know.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Is that crazy?
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		I love scientists, man.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Thank God I wasn't a scientist.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Isn't that weird?
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		It's so weird.
		It's so fucking creepy.
		Yeah.
		And the science, dude, the science shit is like, because I do know this from going to a master's.
		I know you need to understand statistics.
		You need like a very serious understanding of statistics to actually make sense of those studies.
		And I never was able to do that.
		But it's like, you can read those studies and like, oh, look at this.
		It's a graph.
		Everything's going up.
		And it's like, yeah, but like, what was like the percentage of this?
		And it's like statistics is for real, like magic to me, where it's like, it's so slippery and weird.
		And like, you can make one thing look this way.
		And it's, you can arrange the data in a different way.
		And you're like, oh, shit, the fucking thing went up and now this is better.
		It's like.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's what pharmaceutical drug companies do for sure.
		They'll run multiple studies and then throw out all the ones that show no efficacy and even hide dangerous side effects.
		They hide them.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I think they're allowed to do as many.
		I remember reading a book on antidepressants like years and years ago.
		And I think they were allowed to do as many studies as it needed to show basically what they wanted to say.
		Which wasn't even good.
		It was like 50%.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		We had a lawyer in here that he'd worked on cases with pharmaceutical drug companies.
		And one of the things he said that was really crazy was he found out that the pharmaceutical drug companies don't, when they get peer-reviewed, when their papers get peer-reviewed, they don't have to give the data to the scientists.
		They give their review of the data to the scientists, and then it gets peer review.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Damn.
		That's fucked up.
		It's like rig.
		Yeah, that's crazy.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		So rigged.
One Glass Of Wine? 00:02:28
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Remember the study that was like, if you drink one glass of wine, you're going to be healthy?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		That was complete bullshit.
		That was made by a body of science that was like promoted by the big alcohol companies.
		It was completely false.
		I know so many people who are like, dude, it's good for me.
		Oh.
		I need alcohol every day.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		They were also saying Resveratrol.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		That was one of the things.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, grape shit.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		And it's also just like, eat your fucking grape then.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Well, also, take Resveratrol.
		It's a good supplement.
		And the amount that you get in supplements is like far exceeds a glass of wine.
		You have to drink the whole bottle.
unidentified		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		And then you're hammered.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Your liver's destroyed.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that shit always threw me off.
		And I remember at the time being like, there's no fucking way.
		That's true.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Like, no, you hang out more and you're less lonely.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I think there's something to the relaxation of alcohol that like at least it makes you feel better.
		And I think feeling better is a part of like having a better life and having a better, a healthier mind.
		Because there's something about people that are just riddled with anxiety and thinking about things all the time.
		There's a lot of people out there that are just, they don't have the tools to navigate this fucked up world.
		And so they're always like, a little drinky poo every now and then.
		Maybe not bad for them.
		Maybe a little just fuck it juice.
unidentified		Like, ah.
unidentified		Yeah, true.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		If you drop the cortisol at nighttime.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Just a little bit.
		A little relaxation.
		There's a lot of people that like, one of the only things keeping them hanging on is a drink at night.
		You know, just a little drink, just nothing crazy.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Killing yourself.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I wouldn't want to take that from somebody either.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I don't want to take that from people.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		That's true.
		I wouldn't want to take that, but it is.
		It's just nuts to be like, this is actually really good for you.
		It's like, well, it's lesser two evils for sure.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Or weren't they trying to say that fruit loops were healthier for you than ground beef?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Wasn't that one of the studies?
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Was it really?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		They had comparisons.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		They had a chart, like where things fit on the healthy versus not healthy.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		That's fucking insane.
		Well, the old food pyramid was the best.
		It was like cereal, bread, and pasta.
		That was what you're supposed to eat.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Base, not most of your food.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		You're supposed to be charged on just fucking like elbow macaroni.
		That was for real growing up.
		That's what it was.
unidentified		I remember.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Meanwhile, people in France, they're eating loaves of bread and they don't get fat.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		I know.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		And they're healthy.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		I know.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		That is fucking weird.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		We're getting poisoned.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Everyone who comes here from another country is like, I feel horrible.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		They have a hot dog.
		Are they fucking vomiting in a trash can?
		All right, dog.
Slap On The Wrist? 00:02:35
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Let's wrap this up.
jamie vernon ▲ ● ▼		Can I have one more thing?
unidentified		Yeah.
jamie vernon ▲ ● ▼		Please going around Wexner's deposition from the oversight committee came out like the full video did today.
		And there's this clip going around that I don't know what the context is.
		I'll show you.
		It's on the screen right now.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
jamie vernon ▲ ● ▼		I just want to play it and see.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		He says, I'll fucking kill you if you answer another question with more than five words.
unidentified		Okay.
		I'm going to fucking kill you.
		Answer another question.
		I'm going to do five words.
		Okay.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Answer.
		Okay.
		He seems like he's joking.
jamie vernon ▲ ● ▼		He seems like it, but.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		He wants him to answer questions very short answers.
jamie vernon ▲ ● ▼		I keep seeing people saying you're not allowed to be coached in a deposition.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Oh, that makes sense.
jamie vernon ▲ ● ▼		I don't know if this is a problem.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I'll fucking kill you if you answer another question with more than five words.
unidentified		Okay.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		That's hilarious.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		And he thought he could whisper that.
unidentified		That's crazy.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		That's so fucked up.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		What is their relationship?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Like, do they fuck around like that?
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I can't tell.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		It's really hard to tell.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		It's hard to say what that is.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		That almost was kind of charming.
		I'm like, that was kind of like sweet, actually, in some weird way.
		They're saying, fucking kill you.
jamie vernon ▲ ● ▼		His answers to this are pretty tough already, I can see.
		He's like, I had no idea.
		They're like, you stealing money from me.
		ABC reported this five years ago.
		I was like, fucking crazy.
		That's news to me.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		He didn't know that Epstein was stealing money from that.
jamie vernon ▲ ● ▼		That's what he's saying in some of these clips.
jamie vernon ▲ ● ▼		We'll see how this goes.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, true.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		If nothing ever happens, people are going to lose all faith in everything.
		If nothing happens from all this, if Prince Andrew's the only one who goes down.
		And what if he just gets a slap on the wrist?
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		He's completely hitting a slap on the wrist.
		He's not going to like fucking maximum security.
		He's not going to like Oz.
		He's not going to be in there doing burpees and shit.
		He's going to be in protective custody.
jamie vernon ▲ ● ▼		I never got to go.
		He's only in jail for 11 hours.
		He's technically out now.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Right, but he's going to be tried.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Right?
jamie vernon ▲ ● ▼		We'll see.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Well, see, the thing is, like, I never thought he'd be arrested.
		I never thought that would happen.
		I thought, like, they'd strip him of his printship or whatever it is.
		That's it.
		Banishing him to a cat.
		And then they kicked him out of the estate.
		I was like, whoa, things are getting serious.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I think they saw.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		I think they got to see the stuff there.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		They must.
		Bro, what the fuck?
		They must.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		All right.
		Let's wrap this up.
		Dude, it's been a lot of fun hanging.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Hell yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Club.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		It's been good times, dude.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Dude, it's been awesome.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		It's fun watching your act grow, too.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		It's really funny, man.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		It's really great.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		And you're where this weekend?
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Salt Lake.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Salt Lake City in Boise, Idaho.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Go get some tickets, folks.
		Go see them.
		Matt McCusker, fucking hilarious.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Appreciate you, brother.
matt mccusker ▲ ● ▼		Great game.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Very funny.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Bye, everybody.

Chapters

00:00:01 Fiber And Diarrhea Debate
00:05:38 Baby Powder Controversy
00:08:52 Epstein's Final Days
00:22:02 Sharks and Alligators in Florida
00:34:38 Ancient Creatures and Freezing
00:37:41 Vitamin D and Caffeine Effects
00:49:59 Writing Stand-Up Comedy
00:55:17 Open Mic Night Adventures
01:10:24 Nap Time Boulder Trip
01:25:53 Benefits of Higher Pitched Voice
01:30:03 Aliens at Los Alamos
01:43:39 Imagine Something UFO-Shaped
01:47:54 Colbert Confusion
01:55:44 Guiding Voices in School
02:10:46 People Love Determinism
02:19:48 Cats, Parasites, and Behavior
02:22:39 Allergies and Beyond
02:38:18 One Glass Of Wine?
02:40:47 Slap On The Wrist?