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Feb. 19, 2026 - The Joe Rogan Experience
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Joe Rogan Experience #2457 - Michael Malice
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Michael Malice joins Joe Rogan to dissect Epstein’s murky ties—CIA, MI6, and Russia’s business visas—while questioning unverified claims like coded "rape" references in his files. They critique Gavin Newsom’s political shifts, from aiding his mother’s suicide (legal in 14 states) to dodging divisive issues like immigration and transgender policies amid NYC’s $127B budget. The episode warns of AI’s psychological risks, from validating extremism to generating hyper-realistic violence, while debating election manipulation via search algorithms and Venezuela’s oil redirection to Israel post-2025. Ultimately, it underscores how unchecked tech and political theater blur accountability, leaving chaos in their wake. [Automatically generated summary]

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joe rogan
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michael malice
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jamie vernon
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Hate Speech and Conspiracies 00:10:46
unidentified
Joe Rogan podcast, check it out!
The Joe Rogan experience.
jamie vernon ▲ ● ▼
Train my day, Joe Rogan, podcast by night, all day!
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
So, the week, Jen, literally, what are you doing?
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
What do you mean?
Your face.
I have carposi sarcoma.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Oh, I didn't know.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
Yeah.
No, I just wanted to have a fun look.
It's my 10th time.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
And what is a Lichtenstein?
Is that what you said?
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
Roy Lichtenstein.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Who's that?
Do you know who it is?
unidentified
Yeah.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
You know the pictures.
Pull up Drowning Girl.
Jamie, pull it up.
I get to say it.
This guy.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Who's a comic book artist?
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
No, he's a pop artist.
He drew comic books into paintings in the 60s.
You've seen his stuff.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Oh, I'm sure.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
I have now.
I've seen them in memes.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
Exactly.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Like a man backhanding a woman?
unidentified
No.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Well, he's stepping on her hand right there.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
That's his hand.
It's a guy's hand.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Oh, it's a guy's hand.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
It's a top, I think.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
It's a feminine man.
Oh, Jeff, I love you too, but okay.
The dots, I get it.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
This was a lot of.
What I wanted to do, which I couldn't do, I wanted to do an Uncanny Valley look and look like a mannequin with lifeless eyes and kind of like Lex, right?
But that was a lot of money.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Like CGI from 10 years ago.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
Yes.
Or like, yeah.
So I just went with this.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Okay.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
I was on Jordan.
I was on.
I was on Jordan's show last January 6th, and I had the QAnon shaman paint my face with his look, and I had a Russian fur hat, and I had the boots and everything.
and Jordan Peterson had to sit and talk to me for three hours looking like a complete mental patient.
And you're going to forget in a couple of minutes, you know, when someone's looking like this.
But for anyone tuning in, it's just like, and it's just the clips go wide.
It's a lot of fun.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Oh, I know.
I've done dozens of podcasts with Duncan.
Oh, yeah, exactly.
Clowns and why are they dressed like astronauts?
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
Yeah, I think the internet's going in a dark.
unidentified
Yeah.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
Wait, isn't it say like the face of evil?
There's one that's the psychology of pure evil, Michael Alice.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
How is Jordan doing?
Is he okay?
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
I think he's doing better.
I just talked to Michaela a couple of days ago.
I think he's out of the woods.
I don't know how much I'm allowed to say or what's my place.
unidentified
What does this happen to him?
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
I don't really know.
I think you'd have to talk to her.
This is really something I don't know what I'm supposed to do.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
He just keeps going through this series of ongoing health crises.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
Yeah, and what bothers me a lot is how much glee people seem to have with this.
And I think, like I was just saying a second ago, I think the internet's going in a dark place.
unidentified
People.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
People are going in a dark place.
The internet's leading them there, but it's people.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
Well, I think it's like a snake eating its own tail, don't you think?
I think, and when AI starts validating your preconceptions, I'm very scared about the near future.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
I'm very scared too, because so many people are so easily led and so prone to whatever the ideology is at the moment, just full, full-scale adopting it.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
I was on Gutfeld a couple months ago, and they were talking about how Sam Altman said ChatGPT is going to have erotica now.
Everyone's like, well, it's erotica.
They're making jokes.
And I go, listen, I said, not that long ago, John Hinckley shot in 1981.
He shot President Reagan because he thought Jodi Foster was going to fall in love with him, you know, and thereby turning her away from men forever, right?
And I said, what happens when ChatGPT, you really hate Trump, but you really hate Joe Rogan or you really hate Fauci or Kamala Harris, and your AI friend is ginning you up being like, yeah, they're terrible.
Like, there's 350 million people.
You're saying out of those, 350 aren't going to try to do something.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Right.
I mean, they've already had ChatGPT talk people into killing themselves.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
I know.
I know.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Whether it's ChatGPT or whatever AI, right?
Language model.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
Yeah, I am.
And I don't see any breaks on this.
And it's happening, I think, faster than we can.
You know, the whole point of the paleo diet, not the whole point, but a large part of the paleo lifestyle is, you know, our biology has not kept up with our technology, right?
And that kind of makes sense in a food thing.
Bush comes to shove.
Processed food, you should avoid.
Whole food, natural food is probably better for you.
That's just a good heuristic for anyone.
But when you're talking about the mind, you know, people argue, are human beings basically good?
Human beings basically bad.
I think human beings are basically animals.
And animals can be enormously collaborative and wonderful and work together, even across pieces.
You see these videos of like a dog saving a cow or whatever it is.
But animals are also, I don't need to tell you, you know, there's that chimp in all of us.
And when that mob starts fomenting, like people want blood and they love it.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Yeah, you also get all this powerful reinforcement from other people in the group that tell you that you're doing the right thing and they support you.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
And if you the thing with the Epstein stuff online is just really kind of like, I remember five minutes ago, right?
For the blue-billed people on COVID, if you don't care about COVID as much as I do, and if you aren't informed as COVID as much as I am, you want to kill grandma, right?
Like that's, you're told this explicitly.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Your kids should be taken away from you, should be banned from society.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
Right.
And my buddy Luke Perez, who's a great comic, he had a great tweet.
He goes, if you don't have COVID, you can't spread COVID.
I can't give it to you just because I'm a bad person, right?
But that was the mindset.
And now there's so much, there's 3 million Epstein docs.
If you are not as invested as some people, you are a kid toucher.
You're covering for them.
You want this to happen.
You're complicit retroactively somehow.
And I can't make heads or tails of it.
I had Lukrakowski on my show, who's been a conspiracy.
I'm not saying the negative way, conspiracy guy for a very long time.
He started with Alex.
He broke it down.
Then I had Michael Tracy on my show, and he said, look, a lot of this hysteria.
I don't know who is right, who is wrong.
But if I have any kind of skepticism, I am somehow wanting children to be abused.
It's insane.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Well, it's also, it's like so much of it is cryptic.
Like, we don't necessarily understand what they were talking about.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
Right.
And if you say, like, what's beef jerky?
Here's the thing.
It's obviously kids.
It's not just that it might be kids or probably, it's obvious.
And if you're denying that jerky is obviously kids, you're denying that people are children.
I'm not denying people children.
I'm just saying, what if it's heroin?
What if it's weapon?
I haven't read all those emails, but the idea that it's definitely literally infants, it seems like I want to see some receipts.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Yeah, it could be many things.
I mean, it certainly is a code, which indicates, at least to me, that they were doing something they didn't want people to know about.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
And I remember with the Pizzagate stuff, I talked about this in my book, and you're right.
I'd have to get through this through the legal because there was an email where it's like, oh, the maps or the flags are really angry today.
So they're obviously not talking about maps or flags.
It was obviously about something.
We don't know what.
But to pretend that there was nothing there is also disingenuous.
It's clearly code.
But how do we know eating is not code also?
Like eating jerky could be like beating off, right?
Or it could be killing someone.
But the idea that, no, the eating part is true.
The jerky part is kids.
And frankly, what bothers me is don't you want to hope that they're not eating kids?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Yeah, well, it's like people just want to know.
And if they already were and have been doing it for a long time, that seemed outrageous before a gigantic ring was exposed where there really was a sex trafficker who was compromising people and really was doing it at the behest of at least an intelligence agency, whether it's ours or the Israelis or whoever it is.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
Or the Russians.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
A lot of people want to say it's the Russians.
Is there any validity to the Russians?
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
I have no idea.
The reason I said the Russians is because I was on Drudge and the headline was Epstein was Russian operative.
So it was presented on Drudge.
Don't take my word for it as, oh, there's the receipts.
This is why I'm saying there's Mossad connections with him, obviously, especially through Jelaine.
CIA is a no-brainer because why didn't they bag this guy for years?
I talked to Kurt Metzger about this, broadly speaking, and he makes the point, like, these are all interconnected.
This idea that we're going to separate out the CIA from MI6 is they're buddies with each other.
And then frankly, that's in many cases a good thing.
You want to be working with other countries if you have international trafficking or terrorism or crimes.
But I don't know.
I can't even finish the sentence.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Right, right.
No, that's, but you're honest.
That's why.
Now, the Russian thing, is there anything that makes sense to you to that?
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
What did you just go on?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
New documents show Justice Department documents mention Russia thousands of times, Vladimir Putin over a thousand times, reflecting extensive Russia-related communications and contacts in Epstein's network.
Emails, travel records indicate, well, because there's real something to it.
Epstein made multiple trips to Russia, obtained business visas, had scouts there recruiting young Russian women for him, of course, similar to his operations elsewhere.
The files describe Epstein cultivating ties with Russian political and business elites, acting as a facilitator in deals and introductions, not just sexual encounters.
Epstein repeatedly sought a meeting or back-channel communications with President Vladimir Putin at times suggesting he had advice or insight to offer about dealing with Donald Trump.
He had documented ties to at least one former Russian official with a background in the FSB whom he used to gather information on a woman he claimed was trying to extort his business partners.
Well, for sure, you're going to have that against a bunch of Russian hookers that you're bringing over there.
Some of them are going to try to extort.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
Seriously, Putin was ex-KGB.
The KGB for decades, for like almost a century, was blackmailing Americans.
This is one of the big reasons why you couldn't be, there were restrictions against gays, because if you were gay at a time when it was socially unacceptable and the Russians found out about it, they flipped you because they would sit you down and they'd be like, look, we know, we're going to out you, or you're going to play ball.
And in those situations, you're going to play ball.
This is a huge scandal for a lot of people.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
And that's a big, there's a lot.
There's a large percentage.
I don't know what the population is of these undercover gay politicians.
Suing a Senator for PTSD 00:09:57
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
Oh, yeah.
I don't mean politicians.
I mean the bureaucrats, like people working for Eric Johnson and FDR.
This was a thing.
And they would know.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Yeah.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
And they would have honeypots.
It wouldn't be hard at that time.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Right.
And for men, it's so easy to get us.
Like, God, it must be hard to get women.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
How would you blackmail a woman?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
I mean, well, how do you trick them into fucking some guy they shouldn't be fucking and why would anybody care?
See, no one cares.
Like if a woman has an affair on her husband and has sex with some hot guy on an island, everybody's like, you go, girl.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
Yeah, Stella got her groove back.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Yeah, Stella got her groove back.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
How would you, how would, if I wanted, okay, let's walk through this.
If there's a CIA lady and I want to flip her, how do I got to get her to fall in love with you?
No, or you got to get her husband to cheat.
Or go threaten her kids.
You got to threaten her kids.
Threaten the kids.
But that's a hard one.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
But that's a different thing than getting her to do something that she shouldn't have done out of lust.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
How do you black?
Yeah, how do you blackmail a woman?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Yeah, you don't don't have all that's probably why a lot of women aren't in trouble.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
They are in trouble?
Aren't yeah, they aren't.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Right, because like I would imagine you would want them too.
There's plenty of women politicians you'd want to compromise.
I mean, they did get Stacey Plaskett.
She was cooperating with Epstein, going back and forth during Trump's administration.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
Did you see also Kristen Sinema, that lawsuit?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Oh, no, no, no.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
So she was the senator from Arizona.
She was a centrist, and they ran her out of town.
And she.
Broke up a marriage basically, and in North or South Carolina, where she's being sued, you can be liable for damages if you're like the side piece.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Oh, I've seen that and in the lawsuit.
It's a crazy law.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
I know that's a bitch ass law and you're suing a senator and the thing, and I believe the the filing completely, because the filing said he had PTSD so she was offering to give him psychedelics to help him heal, which I'm sure she did, and basically they just started a relationship.
He left the wife and it's like this is unfortunate but it happens, but she's facing damages.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Now that's so wild that that's a law.
Yeah, like what if the person was on the way out anyway?
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
That's his argument.
I'm sure yeah, i'm sure no, but the case, oh no, we were a loving couple, we never had any problems.
That Cinema shows up and now look at me.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
How is that not the man's fault?
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
I don't, I don't, I think it's probably both.
Well, I know is no, she's suing Cinema, she's not suing the guy.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
I don't think that's so crazy.
Yeah, what a stupid fucking law.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
What is, I don't know, North or South Carolina?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Uh, there's some of them old school laws that are so dumb.
How is that a law that people have to be together like people change their minds on people all the time.
They don't want to be with someone anymore.
You meet someone you really like and you go.
I don't.
I can't imagine living the rest of my life without this person and i've been trapped in this fucking horrible marriage.
I'm out and then that person gets sued.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
She had some other funny thing about like no no, the guy texted her like I think it was fuck the military and she writes back only the hot ones.
It was so there's like, so she got all the text out of his phone.
That's funny, it's funny, it's a joke right, but I also it's.
It's like.
I think it's.
When the feminists talk about the kind of misogyny here, I think there is a bit of misogyny that you're blaming the woman and you're not blaming the guy.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Oh yeah, for that.
Like the suit, the lawsuit, that's crazy.
Yeah, that is such a bitch ass lawsuit.
North Carolina is one of a handful of states that allow jilted spouses sue for alienation of affection to seek damages from a third party responsible for the breakup of their marriage.
You should only be able to pay them in tissues.
You should pay them in just crates and crates of tissues.
Oh, you get five hundred thousand dollars worth of tissues.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
It's I.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
I just bring up fucking semis filled with tissues.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
I just think it's so um, salacious and stupid.
We shouldn't need to know this.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Well, even if we do know it, the law itself is fucking preposterous.
Yeah, alienation of affection.
Well, how people decide they don't like people all the time.
That's why divorce exists.
Yes, and one of the reasons divorce exists, because people find someone they like more and they go.
Oh, I fucked up.
I have to get out of this marriage.
I'm in love with this other person, and you don't always have to get divorced.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
There's plenty of marriages that survive.
Shit like this.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Yeah, that's true too.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
So I what's the counter that?
Fuck you.
You're a bitch like he doesn't like you anymore.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
But the lawsuit thing is curly.
You can get money for that.
What's to pay this lady money?
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
I think it's on you guys.
I think it's the million.
I think she's suing for a lot.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
How much?
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
Do you know what the damages are Jamie, can you?
Well, you go high just to settle yeah, but the fact that there's no seat, I don't know what the ceiling is.
I'm not an introduction attorney, but it's not cheap.
It's like, I think the side piece is, she's not a hoe.
She's basically paying the wife alibony.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Oh, my God.
It's real money?
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
Yeah.
It's no joke, does it say?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Who would fucking...
jamie vernon ▲ ● ▼
$75,000.
unidentified
That's it?
jamie vernon ▲ ● ▼
She gave $9,000 to a man she's accused of.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
If it's 75 grand, she would have paid it to shut her up.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Maybe she just doesn't want to out of principal.
unidentified
Let me see.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
It's got to be more than $75,000.
There's no way.
You're a senator.
You're just going to...
Maybe. Maybe.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Maybe because most people have the reaction that we're having.
Like, no one's outraged.
No one's angry.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
Yeah, I think the response is that, oh, that's it.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Yeah, she's alienation of affection.
unidentified
That's it.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Nicknamed the homewrecker law and is seeking $75,000 in damages per her lawyers.
She argued that a complainant in a complaint that cinema engaged in numerous unlawful acts with her ex-husband, including, but not limited to, having conversations with him.
That's unlawful.
Meeting him under emotionally and physically romantic and sexual circumstances.
Having sexual encounters with him and encouraging him to leave his wife.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
She took it to some concert together.
I think it was like, they said they went to a bunch of concerts.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
They went to Copa.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
I think it was like Day Day.
jamie vernon ▲ ● ▼
Green Day, Uni Day.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Yeah.
Well, is that a physically romantic and sexual encounter?
Is that what that is?
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
Well, I think it's romantic to take a second.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Put that back up, please.
jamie vernon ▲ ● ▼
I was going to do those concerts.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
I mean, the lawsuit alleges that in the fall of 2023, when Cinema's then head of security resigned, the head disclosed to Matthew Amel concerns that cinema was having sexual relations.
What a bitch-ass security guard.
Sexual relations with other security members.
The security head urged Matthew Amil to leave, but Amel refused deciding the job's financial security.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
I love the idea.
Like, you don't want this gig.
She'll fuck you.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
She's fucking her security guard.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
Yeah, more power to her.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
She's a wild bitch.
While on the job, Matthew Amel had at one point informed his ex-wife, according to her complaint, that should he and cinema be together on a work trip to Napa Valley, California, it would have appeared as if they were on a romantic getaway.
Huh.
2024, Heather Amel discovered that Cinema frequently messaged her ex-husband on Signal, which included a picture of the former senator wrapped in a towel and a suggestion that he bring MDMA.
Yeah, let's go.
Kristen, the drug commonly known as Molly or Ecstasy to a rope work trip so that cinema could guide him through a psychedelic experience.
Wink wink.
In March of 2024, Matthew Amil and Ford informed his then wife that while he was serving as cinema security at an event, the former senator was having, getting handsy, and that she held his hand and touched him.
According to the complaint, Matthew Amil expressed that he didn't know how to get out of the situation without offending cinema.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
She was also the first bisexual member of the Senate ever.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
What a good kid.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
So you know she's a freak.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
What a good kid.
Molly, towels, pictures.
She's got my vote.
I'm voting for again.
She should run for president.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
Cinema for president.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Let's go, cinema.
Come on.
She's a centrist.
That's what America needs.
You want a women president?
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Let's go.
Let's get a freak in the office.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
We have a freak in the office.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
He struggled to admit to the affair, the complaint says, but expressed that he wanted a divorce.
Oh.
He struggled to admit to the affair, but expressed that he wanted a divorce.
After a November work trip, Heather and Matthew Amel separated.
Her complaint alleges that her ex-husband and cinema remained romantically involved.
Cinema and Matthew Amel both appeared at a forum in October.
Are they still together?
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
I don't know.
unidentified
I don't know.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Those don't last.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
It's only six states.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Chicks get bored once they win.
Once they win and they get you.
I'm like, yeah, who's next?
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
Who the hell knows what's bored?
She's a cinnamon.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
You're bored.
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michael malice ▲ ● ▼
Well, luckily, the security authenticity.
She's boning all the security guards.
It's like, you know, she's going through it.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
She's a freak.
unidentified
Yeah.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
More power to her.
Elsagate Revelations 00:08:08
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Like, look, we don't have any problem with men that do that.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
I think we do.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Well, we do now.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
I think there's.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
People do.
I don't.
There's two types of people that want to be leaders: warmongers and pussyhounds.
I prefer the pussyhounds.
Don't leave your wife alone with them.
But I prefer them because at least they're just trying to get sex.
They're not trying to blow up the world and conquer.
And like, they want to be Genghis Khan.
unidentified
Is it?
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
Well, actually, is it your position that Lindsey Graham is not a pussyhound?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Is that it is my position that Lindsey Graham is allergic to pussy?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Wait, are they they asked him if you know he was going to run for president?
You know, he's single.
Yeah, but he's single.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
And, you know, what about a first lady?
He's like, Maybe I'll have a bunch of first ladies.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
Oh, my, did he say that?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Is it something along those lines?
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
I remember.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Which is never something a man would say who's into women.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
Barbara Mikulski, who was this senator from Maryland for many years, who was like 4'11, Hobbit creature, clearly gay.
No disrespect to her.
She was asked about it, and she turns to the guy next to her.
He's like, hey, good look at it.
It was something like that.
It was so cringe and awkward.
Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
So what did Lindsey Graham say about having many first ladies?
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
Oh, my God.
jamie vernon ▲ ● ▼
It mentioned his sister as someone who could fill in for the role.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
It says, oh, okay.
jamie vernon ▲ ● ▼
He would have a rote, quote unquote, rotating first lady.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
Because, like, well, Dolly Madison did that.
Like, there was one of the first early founding fathers was a widower.
So the daughter.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
His sister first and then rotating first lady.
What year was this when he was running?
2015.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Hey.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
Do you remember the thing I remember about his campaign is Trump had a rally and he gave out Lindsey Graham's phone number, right?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
He did.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
Oh, you don't remember this?
So this is the best part.
No, no, this is so insane.
So Trump is like, because Lindsay would call for campaign donations, and Trump's like, if you guys don't agree, let's give him a call.
He holds up the paint and goes, 345, blah, blah, blah.
And Lindsay, yeah.
unidentified
His face.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
What is this world we're living in?
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
No, no, no, but hold on.
It gets even better.
So Lindsay, like, how do I reclaim the narrative?
Lindsay filmed a video of him taking his phone and breaking with the hammer.
And I'm like, but you still have the same number.
You just broke your own phone.
You're not trolling Trump at all.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
It's like if I just broke a device, you could have gone to Verizon and had your number switched.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
You're not getting my license plate and I wreck my own car.
I'm not trolling you.
I'm trolling me.
I'm like, does no one realize this doesn't make any sense?
unidentified
It was so crazy.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Everyone's so performative.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
Is there someone who's a warmonger?
Well, Bill Putin's a pussyhound.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Is he, though?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Did you not see more of a warmonger?
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
But he's both.
Did you not see more of topless girls?
Oh, really?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Here he goes.
He's throwing it in the blender.
unidentified
Oh, my God.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
He's hitting it with a hammer, a golf ball.
Oh, lightning on fire.
Oh, let me see that swing.
Let me see that badge.
You put Red Bull in with the phone.
What's that about?
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
I think it's gas lighter fluid, no?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
You didn't even get that.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
Oh, it is Red Bull.
Why is it Red Bull?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
He hit it with a golf swing, lit it on fire.
Like, this is so cringe.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
But it doesn't make any sense.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
You put it in a fucking bagel oven?
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
Is that pizza bagels?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Oh, my God.
What's wrong with this dude?
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
But your number's the same.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
What a silly bitch.
That's back in the old flip phone days, too.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
Yeah, 2015.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Wow.
He was still rocking a flip phone back then.
No iPhone.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
People are rocking them now again because of surveillance things.
My friend Dave has one.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Does a flip phone help you?
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
I think so.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
How so?
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
I don't know.
I'd have to ask Dave.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
You can still get all those textbooks.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
But I think, no, I think you're spending less time on the internet.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
That's true.
Yeah.
But you could also just spend less time on the internet.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
Yes, that is also an option.
I think that's a healthy option.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
You could do that.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
You know what I think?
I want to hear your thoughts on this.
So during COVID, there was a huge amount of time that everyone's spending online.
Everyone's obsessed with COVID.
Everyone's constantly agitated.
And my concern is that the social media, Mark Zuckerberg's job is to keep you on Facebook as much as possible, right?
All that data that they had during COVID is still there.
And I think all these social media companies are still keeping us in a constant state of agitation so you're stuck watching these screens and it's really doing harm and it's not getting better.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
That's a fact.
unidentified
Okay.
Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Yeah, that's a fact.
Well, isn't he testifying?
They're testifying soon about whether or not they set up their algorithms to harm children.
They set up their algorithms to addict children to their social media platforms.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
Well, you remember ElsaGate?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
ElsaGate, yeah.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
Yeah, that was the whole thing.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Yeah, explain that to people.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
Well, ElsaGate was this, I still don't think we have an answer.
People made these, they don't even know where it came from on the overseas.
There are these bizarre YouTube videos with millions of views where it would be like the Hulk, but he's like sniffing kids' feet and Elsa's just doing like putting in a cage, like bizarre things that is kind of sexual, but not really.
And you don't know what the purpose is.
But because they were like gaming the algorithm, you know, YouTube, Trump got in trouble with this.
When Trump was sharing that video, the very end of it went to a Lion King video making fun of the Democrats.
There's that one second of the Obamas as apes from the beginning.
They cut there and looked like he was sharing that.
It was just the next video that was queued up.
And it looks like Trump shared a video of the Obamas as apes on purpose.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Well, they were all in it.
They're all in video.
But it was like Hillary was a warthog.
Obama or Biden was also an ape and he was eating a banana.
Pritzker was the lion thing.
And Trump came out as a lion.
unidentified
Right.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
But the point is, I think what he posted, he posted only the first second.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
I don't think he posted it.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
Yes, he did.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
I thought it was an intern.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
Well, the point, I mean, it's from his account.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
But someone reposted it.
Right.
That's what it was.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
No, he reposted somebody else.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
I think his internal video was.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
Right, but the point is, anyway, with ElsaGate, kids start watching one video and the algorithm just snags them.
And one hour later, they're watching completely deranged stuff.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
The ElsaGate thing was weird too because a lot of it was like old cartoons.
And what people were saying is that if your child, like say if you give your child an iPad and it goes from one YouTube video to the next and then suggests, those got lumped in there and you would click on it and it was all sudden like someone would get a bottle broken over their head.
There'd be blood everywhere.
It was really weird.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
Right.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
And it's like a Mickey Mouse cartoon.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
And there was no utility to this.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Are those still available?
jamie vernon ▲ ● ▼
I'm looking at the.
Wikipedia says it's kind of it's continued, but it's switched from.
Like the.
It's whatever's popular at the time for kids.
So back then it was frozen or whatever, and now it's like mind, what are they doing, though?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Like why does this sense?
Like what?
Why would they have these cartoon characters get hit over the head with bottles?
And because you remember that one, like a lot of them when they would get drunk and fall and break their head on a fucking countertop or something, or they'd be covered I think this was another one they were covered in dots for no reason.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
I'm like i'm not having kids, really.
It was just like what is going on?
Or they're eating weird stuff.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
So does Youtube remove those videos?
Because there's plenty of violent videos on Youtube, like is it because they're, or do they put like an age restriction on them?
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
I don't think they did, because what's the age restriction?
There's nothing sexual, there's nothing well, violence.
But some of them were just weird.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Yeah, some of them were just like lots of shots of feet uh-huh, and there was all.
There was a lot of ones where kids got left alone with creeps.
Yeah yeah cartoons, very strange, and there was also live action stuff.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
Oh really yes, and it's just like, who are these people filming this?
And for what?
I saw another one.
There was this channel, which has millions of views for each video, and it's things like turtles vomiting up fish, like dead fish, like live action or dead fish coming from the ground, as if it's it's I.
Doubling Down 00:04:52
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
I don't understand what the point of this is.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Do you remember?
Um, during Benghazi, they tried to blame the attack on this video.
Oh, my god, you remember that?
Of course, that was the.
The propaganda was that there was some video that no one had seen right, like some terrible video, some really all riled up right yeah, that got the Muslims riled up and that's why they attacked.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
And there was also well, she was also blaming the 2016 election on ads on the dark web.
It's like, how many people on the dark web do you even know what it is right?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Ads on the dark web flip the election.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
That's hilarious, that's insane.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
50 Incels right in a chat room like, but that's, that was a.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
She says this all the time Hillary, to this day.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Well, she just says it.
You know, like she doesn't have to be credible anymore.
It's like we just assume, we just know that.
That kind of community, like if you're having a one-on-one conversation with her, just privately, and she started talking like that, you'd be like, what are you talking about?
This doesn't make any sense.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
Did you really believe that she got clowned in Europe this week?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
I did with the Czechoslovakian guy.
Yeah yeah, it was funny.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
It was very funny.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
But the way she was interrupting too you want women to have their rights taken away, like what?
That's not what he's saying.
He's literally talking about all this crazy shit, these gender transitions, and people were really like they'd had enough with the immigration people don't have you, don't?
You're pretending that's not real like this way forward, like if the Democrats want to have a way forward where they connect with people, you got to admit that there was some reason why people were responding the way they did to a fucking open border, to men playing in women's sports, to all this shit.
Gender transitions of children, like people were freaked out and not just fucking Republicans a lot of people.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
Yeah, Karen's a swing voter.
Karen doesn't like this kind of stuff.
Yeah, I don't know if you saw did you see Nancy Nancy Pelosi's retirement video?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
No.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
Well, you laugh, but Nancy Pelosi is probably the smartest politician in Washington in terms of being crafty.
Like, she knows how to fucking get a bill passed.
She knows how to make people walk the plank.
So she's retiring from Congress this year.
She had this 10-minute long video about, you know, saying goodbye to San Francisco.
10 minutes.
She talks about AIDS at length, right?
Because obviously it affected San Francisco.
Doesn't mention the word gay once, even in the context of AIDS, doesn't mention LGBT, doesn't mention black people, people of color.
She mentions how much she loves going to church, St. Thomas of Assisi, and Veterans Day.
So I'm like, she knows what you're saying.
You got to pivot and start talking to people about pocketbook stuff.
But then Gavin Newsom recently undid his, you know, he backtracked with Charlie Kirk when he's just like, yeah, I know about men and women's sports.
And now he's doubling down on trans kids, which is he really?
Oh, yeah.
He just started doubling down.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
God, how does he think that that's going to work now?
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
I think he thinks he's got to get through that primary.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Right, but does he not know that people are done?
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
No.
Because I'm sure he has better polling than you or I.
And I'm sure.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Maybe I'm just naive about California.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
Well, it's not California.
It's the Democratic base who's going to vote for him.
You know, he's also killed his mom.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
What?
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
Yeah, he did assisted suicide on his mom.
He bragged about it to the Washington Post.
You didn't know this?
unidentified
No.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
What was wrong with his mom, though?
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
I'm sure it was something awful, but when I hear a politician talking about something that personal that publicly, I am not going to look at it through a positive vein.
And this made stuff is in 14 states now.
Did you know this?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Yeah.
Well, in Canada, it's off the hook.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
You know, Kelsey Sharon, I've been talking to her about this.
She completely blew my mind.
So first, it used to be, because it's always, oh, yeah, 55.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Long battle with breast cancer, deeply personal event.
He has described as a complex experience involving assisted suicide.
The Washington Report, Washington Post report and his memoir expressed deep grief and remorse regarding her death.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
Remorse is a very dark word in this context.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
He was 34 and San Francisco supervisor at the time.
Yeah, but maybe it was his mom's decision and he helped her.
Sure, but look, if you're dying of terminal cancer and your body's rotting out, I feel like just like you put a dog down, like there's times where I think assisted suicide is probably a good option if there's no hope and you're just going to be in agony for months.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
And there's times where people have gender dysphoria and it's a good thing that's different.
Hold on.
It's not my point.
Is people like Blair White, Brianna Wu, you know, they have gender dysphoria.
It's perfectly appropriate to call them a she.
You know, it's otherwise very disturbing.
Five minutes later, once it becomes a political issue, it's anyone who just puts on a dress.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Right.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
So the point that's that Kelsey has been going on with Canada is now they're going after people who are depressed.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Right.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
They're going after people who are disabled.
They're going after kids.
New York City Property Tax Impact 00:15:09
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
And the darkest thing that's happening over there, which they're importing here, is that old people are extremely expensive for the system.
Right.
If you have socialized health care, I don't know what the number is, it's a huge number.
Towards the end of your life, you're racking up those bills.
So there's a huge incentive for that government to get you off of their ledger.
So now they're having this movement where let's all get together and have grand, we're all going to go kill grandma.
Five minutes ago, if you don't wear the COVID mask, you want to kill grandma, you're a bad person.
Now if you don't want to kill grandma, you're a bad person.
You don't want to end this way.
You were such a strong person.
Die with dignity, blah, blah, blah.
It's not always terminal stuff.
And in Europe, they're having you with teenagers who are depressed.
And you know perfectly well.
I've been listening to this notes.
It's not a slippery slope.
It's an elevator shaft.
Is this the back door?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Is it financial incentives?
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
It's a huge financial incentive.
Think about it.
If you're old and you're $1,000 a day and the government's paying it, if I get rid of you, look how much I'm saving.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Right.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
And you're, oh, you don't want to be a burden to your family.
You don't want to have them sitting by your bedside?
Come on.
It's happening here.
New York just passed it.
It's 14 states.
And no one's passed it.
New York just passed it.
unidentified
Oh.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
You see, Mamdani is like, he's trying to figure out a way to use his budget.
His budget is higher than the entire budget of the state of Florida, which has three times more people.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
No, it's not.
Is it?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Yes, it is.
Yeah.
No.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Look it up.
The budget for New York City is larger than the budget for the state of Florida.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
Holy, I did not know this.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Yeah, I'm pretty sure it's true.
We should look it up.
But I was reading an article about it today, unless the article's completely full of shit.
They were saying that it's several billion dollars more for New York City than it is for the entire state of Florida, which has roughly three times as many people living in it.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
Is that true, Jamie?
unidentified
I'll try to.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
I just, I go back once a month to do Gutfeld, and I can't believe I'm saying this as a former New Yorker, but I like L.A. better now than New York.
unidentified
Whoa.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
It hurts me physically to see.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
What's wrong with New York now?
There's no eye-popping amount.
Insider called Insanity is up around $11 billion from the current 9% up.
A record $127 billion budget proposal on Tuesday.
The socialist leader, city leader's plan includes a whopping 9.5% proposed property tax hike.
9.5 hike on New Yorkers, which he claims would be a last resort while allocating another $1.2 billion for migrants.
Migrants.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
What's the Florida budget, Jamie?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Scroll down a little bit.
unidentified
Okay.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Wow.
jamie vernon ▲ ● ▼
But that's what...
unidentified
Oh, my God.
It's the same.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
It's about the same.
jamie vernon ▲ ● ▼
Yeah, the New York one would have been that this year, I think.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
Yeah, but it's comparable.
Holy sh crap.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
So it's not three times more, whatever the fuck it is, more?
No, three times more people, right?
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
Right.
So that is triple per capita.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Yeah, triple per capita.
So the budget of Florida, Florida House, is $113.6 billion to $115 billion.
And the New York proposal is $127 billion.
So it is more.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
Holy Christian.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
So New York City is, their budget is more than the entire state of California with three state of Florida with 3 million more people or three times the people.
jamie vernon ▲ ● ▼
Holy proposal for this year, it would be about the same because if it's 11 million, that's 116.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
Sure.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
But the point is, it still says it's up 11 billion from the current year.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
It's still a proposal, though.
He hasn't passed it.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Well, he's not.
Yeah, he's a fucking psychopath.
You see, the amount for migrants is crazy.
There should be $0 for illegal immigrants.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
I don't think you can have zero because if they're going to be there, you have to feed them.
You have to do something with them.
Like literally, if you don't feed them, they're going to be robbing stores.
Human beings need food.
What are you going to do?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Get them jobs.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
How are you going to get a migrant a job?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Get them a job in Guatemala.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
Wouldn't you rather give them food than a job?
I don't want them taking American citizens' jobs.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Well, the whole thing's a mess.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
The whole thing's a mess.
But the point is, you can't just throw them away.
unidentified
Right.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
That's the problem.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Unless you're going to remove them from the country.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
Right.
Unless you're moving.
Even if you want to put them in jail, that's not cheap.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Right.
That costs a lot of money.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
Right.
So what are you going to do?
I remember Piers Morgan had this amazing interview with my favorite British politician, Diane Abbott, who is really special needs, clearly.
And in the UK, you have the government, which is members of parliament from the majority party, and then you have the minority party, which has a shadow cabinet.
If there's a Secretary of State, Rubio, the Democrats would have a Democrat equivalent who would deal with those issues.
And she was their shadow home secretary, which deals with immigration.
And he goes, Diane, if the Labor government wins the next election and you have illegal immigrants here, what do you do with them?
Do they get to stay?
Do you have amnesty?
You're going to deport them.
And he goes, she goes, Piers, the Tory system is not fit for purpose.
It's terrible.
We'll be more efficient and more fair.
And he goes, right, gotcha.
There's an illegal immigrant.
Do they get to stay or are they deported?
I've explained this to you.
And it was just this amazing thing.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Circular.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
Yeah.
I love her.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
How much money do they give to poor New Yorkers?
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
Oh, it's not.
It's going to be a lot.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
But is it the same amount?
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
Look at this.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Okay.
So $7.54 billion to fill cliffs across six major unbudgeted needs.
jamie vernon ▲ ● ▼
Just to say, no, they haven't raised property taxes there in over 20 years.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
Is that true?
unidentified
That's what this says.
jamie vernon ▲ ● ▼
It's 25 years since September 19th.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Well, the property taxes are high.
jamie vernon ▲ ● ▼
I'm just a point.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
But I understand they haven't raised it, but they shouldn't raise it.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
Because it goes with as the property values go up.
Because the percent is going to go up.
The revenue is going to go up as well.
unidentified
Exactly.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
There's no reason to raise it, but like this idea that they haven't done it, so they should do it is crazy.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
Oh, look at that.
So if your condo is $120,000, which is no condo is going to be that cheap, you're paying like 15% every year in property tax.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Yeah.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
That's not nothing.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
That's not nothing.
I think the idea is that rich people are just going to pay it.
And this is what they're trying to push.
Meanwhile, people are going to flee, just like they've done in other countries when they've done sort of wealth taxes.
jamie vernon ▲ ● ▼
That's $1,200, though.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
A month.
So it's $1,200 a month, yeah.
jamie vernon ▲ ● ▼
$1,200 for the year.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
A condo?
No, it's assessed at $120,000.
But that's a condo that's assessed at $120,000.
Good luck finding a condo assessed at $120,000 in New York City.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
$14,000 divided by $12 is $1,200.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Well, for that particular condominium unit.
unidentified
Right.
jamie vernon ▲ ● ▼
From $15,000 to $16,300.
That's a difference of $1,300.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
Oh, I see.
I saw you're talking about that.
Right.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
That's 12% on $120,000.
Now do a $55 million condo.
jamie vernon ▲ ● ▼
That's a $3.2 million one.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
The really wealthy people are responsible for a large percentage of the tax income in New York City.
I think it's the upper 1%.
I think the upper 1% of New York City are responsible for 50% of the tax revenue.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
That's got to be something crazy.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
It's something crazy like that.
See what the actual number is.
So the thing about that actual number is those are the people that are going to leave.
Because those are the people, if they own multiple properties in New York City and then he hits them with this tax and it winds up being an excessive amount of money.
And then they're planning on taxing people if they leave.
This is like what they proposed in California.
They've also proposed this, I think, in the Netherlands to try to stop people from leaving.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
Right.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Where you have to still have to pay taxes.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
France was doing some weird thing.
I remember when Departue was leaving, they were trying to do something.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
They're all just trying to steal money.
Top 1% of New York City income earners paid 48% of the city's personal income tax liability in 2021.
The most recent year with detailed data.
Why is the most recent year five years ago?
The PIT share equates to roughly 11% of New York City's total tax revenue.
PIT accounts for 23% of overall city tax collections.
So it's a lot of money.
48% of the city's personal income tax liability is an enormous amount of money.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
So property tax is 45%.
That's where they get all their money from, which I understand because you can't take the entire state building somewhere else.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Right.
But if you're jacking all that up, top 1% paid 40% of PIT, shares may have declined post-2021 due to lower capital gains.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
But he did do something I liked.
So him and Kathy Hochul had this thing where now they're trying to streamline, I'm sure there's some catch, to make it easier to build because they're understanding if rents are high, increasing supply is going to lower costs.
So if they do that, I think that's a great thing, obviously, which I never saw coming.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Right.
That's definitely good, but there's still people who are just, they don't like that kind of leadership.
It's spooky.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
I'm much more concerned about he has someone in his cabinet or proposed to be in his cabinet who's concerned with decarceration.
And the principle is we got too many people in jail.
Now, maybe that might be true broadly speaking, but when you apply that en masse and on a case-by-case basis, who are you going to be letting out?
Because I don't think this claim people used to have that like, oh, all these people are in jail because of weed.
They're not.
And certainly not in New York City.
When I was on a grand jury and these weed cases came along, people wouldn't even indict them.
They're just like, we're not taking part of this.
This is BS.
And that's legal.
So for you to get to, look at, what's the guy who was under Jordan Neely?
Was that his name?
What do you have?
40 arrests?
The one who punched that girl in the face, the old lady in the face, and tried to kidnap a girl?
unidentified
Yes.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
So for you to be in jail in New York, it's not nothing.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Right.
Yeah.
And why?
Why would they want to do this?
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
Because their principle is the system or society, whatever you want to call it, whatever term for it is, is making people who are marginalized desperate.
So they act out.
So instead of putting them in jail, which helps no one is the argument, we should be working with them systemically to kind of normalize and make productive citizens out of them.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
And what's their plan for that?
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
You have welfare programs, different training programs to throw money at it.
And here's the thing.
I can understand that argument.
Maybe if someone's stealing bread for their family, I've never understood how I'm really poor, so I'm going to hold a woman down and do bad things to her.
That's not a thing.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Or just randomly punch people in the streets or throw people in front of trains.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
That's right.
It's like, it's not because you're late to your job interview that you shove somebody in front of the sixth train.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Yeah.
It's dark, man.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
It's very dark.
But L.A. is not as dark as this.
I think in L.A., there is this still this sense of hope.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Really?
Because people I talk to in L.A., everyone I know knows someone that could have broken into.
Like the home invasions.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
Oh, that's right.
That's the thing.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
They're up in a huge way.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
I'm just comparing two different kinds of cancer.
And I'm saying the cancer in LA is better than the cancer in New York.
unidentified
Yes.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
Because I remember growing up and not that long ago, with New York, there'd be this, you could find some new neighborhood and there'd be some cool ice cream store, some sock store, whatever, button store, cool little spots, and it would be fun adventure, just walk around and just walk in different places.
And that's gone.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Is it?
unidentified
Yeah.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
You can't open up some weird little store in New York anymore.
The rent's through the roof.
Like the crime is through the roof.
It's miserable.
L.A. has these little pockets, which I enjoy seeing.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
So what's the solution for New York after this guy's out?
Do you think that it ever turns around?
Or do you think it keeps going in the same general direction?
And do you think the powers that be want it to go in this general direction?
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
It always turns around.
So John Lindsay was mayor in the late 60s during the Summer of Love stuff.
You had sexual assaults through the roof.
You remember New York was going bankrupt under Abe Beam when Gerald Ford was president.
Ed Ford, the headline, I think the New York Post was Ford in New York City dropped dead.
And that cost him some votes and possibly the presidency.
But New York has these, I don't know what the cycle, for Giuliani to win, you had to have a Dinkins.
For Obama to come in, you had to have a Bush.
So at some point, but here's the other problem.
There's two issues.
One is a lot of people who could left.
There didn't used to be a Plan B for New York because New York was its own thing.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Now it's Florida.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
Now it's Florida or Austin.
And New York isn't New York anymore.
Because Fran Leibowitz, my second favorite public speaker, she had this point.
She goes, look, there's a lot of things you could say about a city that's full of rich people.
You could say it's good.
You could say rich people are bad.
You can't say it's interesting.
And unless there's a space for young people who have nothing to lose, who are going to bring culture and innovation.
unidentified
Artists.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
Artists.
Broadly speaking, not just little painters, but artists.
It was Williamsburg.
It was the Bowery before that.
You know, there were little pockets of magic.
And I read hook.
I remember there was a bar called Lily's, and all of Redwick was deserted.
And there's just one light open.
And I came to this bar and there were this amazing singers.
And it was like a mystical experience.
And there'd be street art.
But you can't do that now.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
A friend of mine's girlfriend used to work in this place called Den of Thieves.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
Oh, okay.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
And there's no sign.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
You go in there.
It's this dingy little hole in the wall.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
Or Milk and Honey was another.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
This place is so cool.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
It's so cool.
But you can't do that anymore.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
No.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
So, and I don't think under this guy there's going to be that return.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
So do you think he's just appealing to this base of disenfranchised young people that have been told that the reason why they have all these problems is rich people are greedy and they've ruined everything and we should tax the rich and we'll feed the poor.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
I think he is speaking to a lot of people.
So people on the right think everyone on the left is like a big monolith.
They're not.
And I think there's a lot of lefties, especially young lefties, who don't think the Democratic Party is an effective mechanism toward resolving their issues and concerns.
And he's not, he's on, just like Trump wasn't really a Republican.
He's a Republican on paper.
He had no allegiance to the Republican Party.
He took them all out one at a time.
This guy's a Democratic socialist.
He has no, in 1934, when Upton Sinclair ran for governor of California after years of running as a socialist, he goes, people vote for the party their grandparents voted for.
So he's a Democrat on paper.
He's a leftist, obviously, but he's a Democrat on paper.
Cuomo was the establishment hack.
And he's like, look, it was like Obama in 08.
Do you want to go with this old party hack or this young guy who's got a different vision?
And he definitely does have a different vision.
Why Cuomo Won 00:13:04
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
This isn't how Hillary would govern New York City or even Eric Adams or some of these others.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Well, I think one of the big reasons he won was that debate where he said that he wouldn't go to Israel.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
You think that's a big one, New York?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
100%.
I think that was an enormous shift.
I would say that's a 10, 15% shift.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
10, 15?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
That's huge.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
We have the polling.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Absolutely huge.
I think the polling's horseshit because it's only people so fucking stupid they answer polls.
Like, who are those people?
I think there was a giant cultural shift where people are like, right, shouldn't we be paying attention to New York?
Why are all these people saying they want to go to Israel?
Why are they saying that?
Who's paying them?
Why are they saying that?
That's an odd thing to say.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
Sure.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
No one's saying the first thing I'm going to do is visit Belgium.
They're not saying that.
They're saying we're going to go to Israel.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
Sure, but there's also a huge Jewish population in New York City.
So when Cuomo tapped into that, I don't know.
I don't think Mamdani was somehow outed as an anti-Zionist.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Politicians, like the percentage of people that are Jewish in New York City is small in comparison to the people that think that New York City should be the main focus of attention and not Israel.
Sure.
And I think when you have all these politicians that are doing things that don't make sense to most people, like saying the first thing I'm going to do is visit Israel.
What are you talking about?
This city's a mess.
And then this guy comes along and says, I can serve the Jewish people of New York City better in New York City.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
And he had a large Jewish percentage, friends of Jewish rule.
Point is, I don't think that that number happened because of debate.
I think that was part of his appeal from the beginning.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Well, I think for fence sitters, though, that debate was big because you got to see one guy who's like, this is a solution to this system that we have been just replacing the heads of the people that are in charge, but it's the same exact mechanism.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
No, that's what I was saying earlier, that he's not a member of the Democratic Party.
Cuomo is this old party hack, and he's like, look, let's throw all that stuff in the garbage.
This is something innovative and new.
This was the argument Obama made in 08.
And he's not wrong.
When he had his inaugural speech and he said, we're going to get rid of the cold, whatever grasp of capitalism and be embraced by the warmth of collectivism.
No Democrat is saying things like this.
This is something completely new and completely innovative.
So, how it's going to look in practice.
Here's the other thing, though.
The mayor of New York has a ceiling to what he can do.
So, I would not, if I'm, he's 34, I think.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Yeah.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
He's young.
I don't, if I'm sat in that office and I'm up against the New York City real estate industry, it's not going to be an easy fight for me.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Right.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
Trump had to learn this the first term.
It's like, just because you're president doesn't mean people are going to bend the knee and play ball.
So, who knows what this is going to look like?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
And it's not just New York City.
Seattle's doing the same thing.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
What are they doing?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Seattle, they elected a full-on congressman.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
Oh, that's right, yeah, yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Who lives with her parents and hasn't had a job, lives off her fucking parents.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
Well, this is also a big concern with the Democrats in general.
Both parties, when you have the base and the establishment, we're basically just gangsters who are doing money laundering, and you have the kids who are like, We've been screwed over hearing this shit for bullshit for decades.
Let's have an alternative.
What do you do when you're Nancy Pelosi and you're Chuck Schumer and you're to a lesser extent Hakeem Jeffries and these people are coming up, the kids, wanting Democratic socialists?
I don't mean kids, I mean young people who are idealistic and are like, We tried your way, didn't give a shit.
It gave us Trump.
What do you tell them?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
You know, what do you tell them?
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
You give us no answer.
You like vote for Stenny Hoyer for another 10 years?
Like, it's ridiculous.
Amy Klobuchar is not going to be your candidate if you have this Democratic socialist vision.
She will not deliver that for you, and she'll tell you that to her fate.
So, I think that the dance Newsom is trying to do.
And I don't see who I think he'd be the perfect VP because he's a great attack dog.
He doesn't have to worry about defending his own.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
He doesn't want to be the VP.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
I've heard that too, but he was Jerry Brown's number two.
He bided his time.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Yeah, but he was Jerry Brown's number two when he was young, and he had never been the governor.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
Sure.
I'm just saying, like, he would be the perfect VP for the Democrats.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
I don't think he wants that.
I don't think he wants to be the king.
I think he wants to ruin San Francisco, ruin California, and then go on to become the president.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
You don't think he'd have a good shot at being the president?
Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
I think he does.
unidentified
He does.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
He has a great shot.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
I think he does.
Yeah.
I think people are that dumb.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
I don't think it's that dumb.
I think you could.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
They're that dumb that they're willing to vote party line no matter what.
And the guy was just a good speaker who's a good bullshit artist that he could be able to sweet talk his way into that position and just fudge data, lie about stuff.
Nick Shirley is in California right now doing the same thing that he was doing in Minneapolis.
Yeah, and they've already uncovered fucking billions of dollars of fraud.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Oh, he's making videos about it.
Same kind of fraud, Medicaid fraud, through the roof, all kinds of crazy shit.
Yeah.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
But I mean, I don't know how much that Minnesota, Minnesota stuff permeated.
I mean, it took down Tim Waltz, which is one of the biggest scalps.
Like, no one saw that coming.
Right.
But the same thing, you take out Tim Waltz, here's Klobuchar's governor.
It's a Hydra.
You're not, you're not, frankly, you'd rather have him.
He's more defeatable than her.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Does it depend upon how much fraud gets exposed and who gets connected to that fraud and what the investigation unveils?
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
You're going to have people who listen to NPR tell you with a straight face that this fraud happens under any.
They'll have a little list, a list of excuses.
It's been investigated and resolved.
unidentified
What?
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
There's no fraud in Florida and Texas.
Or what are you saying?
Or why are you targeting the Somalis?
And at the end of the day, I think people expect government to have fraud.
And if it's in Minnesota, you're not really going to – if I'm a Democrat in Minnesota, I'm voting Democrat.
And if I'm Republican, it's not, how many votes is this going to sway?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Well, they've done an amazing job in Minnesota of distracting people from the Somali fraud by organizing protests against ICE.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
Right.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
And that's people need to understand.
Like, yes, people are upset about ICE.
Fact.
Unquestionably, just regular people at home that aren't protesting.
But that protest is not just organized.
It's funded.
It's heavily funded, organized.
They had signal chats with Democratic congressmen or Democratic politicians rather that were involved in this.
They knew what they were doing and they did it because they wanted to distract from the fact that this fraud was being exposed.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
Well, I think they would do it regardless.
But it certainly serves that purpose.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
They totally shifted the narrative.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
Yes.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Nobody's talking about the fraud anymore.
Everybody's talking about ICE being murderers.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
Right.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Yeah.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
So it worked.
That's what I'm saying.
If there's more fraud exposed, I don't know that it's going to work against Newsom.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Well, it depends on how the trials lay out.
So if people wind up going to trial over this and people wind up getting indicted over this, that could get more interesting because then you remove it from Minnesota and then it becomes this federal court thing.
And so then it becomes mainstream public news if they do this correctly.
If there is something there.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
But the thing is, you have to worry about if the judge is going to be complicit and if the prosecutor is going to be complicit, like in the media is also.
You've got to kind of fly that arrow through three hoops.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
You got to go through the bushes and make a small hole to see through.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
And then to try to make it indicate, and then it'd be very easy for Newsom to be like, I'm so glad this got exposed.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Right.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
I promise you, as president, this won't happen in America.
And if you want to talk corruption, look at Trump and all his sweetheart deals, blah, Hillary's array throwing men on the bus about Epstein.
They don't have shame.
unidentified
You know what she's saying?
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
Hilly's like, Trump's in the files thousands of times.
Like, let's have this conversation.
She started already.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Right.
Right.
What does that mean, though, when you're in the file thousands of times?
Because he is the guy that was in contact with the FBI about Epstein.
He did contact the FBI after Epstein was arrested and thanked them for arresting him and getting him because that guy was a real problem.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
Right.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
And he did kick him out of Mar-a-Lago in 2005.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
But she's being factual but not truthful.
So it is factual that his name is in the files thousands of times.
And then you leave it for the person listening to make that conclusion.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Right.
That's all you have to say.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
That's all you have to say.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
We were talking to Don L. Rawlings yesterday.
He's in the files.
unidentified
Okay.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Because Epstein went to visit his show, went to watch his show at improv in West Palm Beach.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
I did a search for the word retarded.
And the one email I found was someone like, can you mail me that photo where I look fat and retarded?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
That's it.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
And it's not clear from who.
It's too Epstein.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
It's redacted.
No one wants to know that they were admitted they look fat and retarded.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
Or the N-words in there a fair amount also.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Well, there's a lot of references to pizza.
You know, there's, I think there's thousands of references to pizza and jerky.
The jerky.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
And grape soda.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
And grape soda.
Yeah.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
So I think.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Grape, the thing about grape soda is grape is like what people do to get around the algorithm when they're discussing rape.
When they don't, he graped them.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
But this was like 2011.
I don't think people knew about that stuff.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Right.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
And I don't think Epstein as a boomer knows how to get around algorithms.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Right.
That's not an algorithm thing.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
Right.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
It's just a code thing.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
So I thought maybe it's a black thing, but then.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Grape soda?
Oh, right.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
Yeah, but then he's racist.
There's like things about don't bring black people.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Oh, really?
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
He says don't bring black people.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
Something to that effect.
Yeah.
Something to that effect.
Please double check me on this, but it was something that he was not no black girls.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Oh, no black girls.
Interesting.
Huh.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
So, yeah.
I don't think we're ever.
The other thing that I'm kind of stunned at is there's this belief online that if there's enough agitation, like QAnon, we're all going to have these mass arrests.
And I don't see that happening.
And I don't think you can do anything to force them to release the really bad stuff if they haven't.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
So what else is left?
There's 3 million other files that have.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
They said they released everything.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Well, they also said there wasn't anything.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
You know, when Kash Patel was on here, it's like, there's no videos.
There's no evidence.
There's no nothing.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
The craziest for me was when Pam Bondi said, I've got the list.
And I said to myself, and I talked to my friends, they all agreed with me.
I'm like, I really don't think he had like clients list.doc on his desktop.
That's not a thing, right?
So I would, I believe he doesn't like have a literal list.
And later she goes, when I said list, I meant blah, blah, blah.
And I'm like, but you said list.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Well, they had those binders.
They were all performatively holding those binders.
We have the files.
We're going to go through them.
Heads are going to roll.
Nothing happened.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
And then Les Wexner, what did he say today?
Jamie, you were saying that he said he got conned or something by so many years.
jamie vernon ▲ ● ▼
I've been seeing online, I don't know the accuracy, that there's a bunch of missing files from specifically 1999 through 2001.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Right.
And that people are connecting that to 9-11.
unidentified
Yeah.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
Oh, wait.
Wait, 1990.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Pre- and post-9-11 are all missing.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
Wait, so Epstein might be involved with 9-11?
But I mean, what's the thumb text and string?
I'm not saying it's impossible.
I'm just saying.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Well, there's a lot of people that believe that Israel was involved in 9-11.
unidentified
Right.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
But I don't think Epstein was high up in the Israeli decision-making process.
jamie vernon ▲ ● ▼
I think they're just looking for financial records of things, and those are all missing.
People's names pop up.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
If I found out Mohamed Atta was a pedophile, I might actually start to dislike that guy.
That would really change my opinion of him.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Epstein files surrounding 9-11.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
Wow.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Coincidence.
Oh, this just came out.
jamie vernon ▲ ● ▼
Yeah, this is, I mean, people are still digging in this stuff every day.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
Holy crap.
jamie vernon ▲ ● ▼
Why people keep finding new shit all the time?
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
Oh, my God.
Scroll down.
This is fascinating.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
That fucking cryptic George W. What about the photograph?
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
The Clinton ones work of the artwork.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Yeah, the drums.
We have that outside.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
Yeah, I saw, yeah.
jamie vernon ▲ ● ▼
They stumbled across something where there was redacted photos.
If you look through the files and typed in something like no photos rendered, you could change the .pdf to .mp4 or .mov.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
There's thousands of videos are popping up.
unidentified
Wow.
jamie vernon ▲ ● ▼
People are starting to watch all those videos.
Some of them are from the prison.
Some of them are from the island.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
Flight logs starting.
Okay.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Have they found anything in those videos?
You got to go through them individually.
jamie vernon ▲ ● ▼
People are now.
I don't, again, the accuracy.
I don't know.
I've seen a video where someone said this was from the video and there's like a girl crying in it, but I don't.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Adderall and autism, do your job.
Find those videos.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
That should be the subtitle of this show.
It's a real good experience.
Adderall and autism.
Do your job.
Holy crap.
That's hilarious.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Oh, my God.
What a world we're living in.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
You want to talk about, I want to talk about Scott Adams.
Scott Adams On Aspartame 00:14:34
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Sure.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
I was just at his memorials.
Was he ever on your show?
Yes.
I got invited to speak, and it was really a great experience.
I got a, because I'm a mental patient, I got a Dilbert mask.
And the thing with the Dilbert mask is there's no mouth, right?
So Dr. Drew was supposed to speak and I was going to go there and do my little terrorism where I was going to have my little phone and say, nice to meet you.
I'm Dilbert and Wave and then swipe and be like, you know, can you take off your glasses, please?
And he takes a glass and be like, nice eyes, may I, I'm going to take them and just fuck with people at the funeral, like Scott would have wanted.
It was really great because it was very upbeat.
And I was kind of honored.
Guttfeld asked me, Guttfeld texts me.
He goes, hey, do you want to speak?
And I go, it'd be a huge honor.
And he just goes, great.
And I'm like, am I actually speaking or you're just, you know, quizzing me?
I got to see Cernovich was there, Pesobic, a few other people, and then afterwards went to his house.
And there's something really kind of eerie about walking in the house of someone who had just passed.
His ex-wife, Sherry, let me take two of his markers, which I will, you know, always treasure and kind of hang in my house.
There were two lines I couldn't say at the memorial because I knew the fans would get salty, which is, Scott is in heaven right now doing what he loved most, avoiding black people.
And the reason Dilbert was a black and white comic strip is because Scott didn't really like the colors.
Right.
Because Scott was a humorist.
Just go for the joke.
Right.
But I mean, it's just, it's weird how much he still resonates, I think, with people.
And I don't really have anything else particularly to say, but I just felt it was important to kind of commemorate his passing because he's really helped me out a lot in my thinking.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Yeah, it's a real bummer, man, because it happened so quickly.
His cancer, he got turbo cancer.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
Well, he had it in January 2025.
And he said, I'm going to wait for my stepdaughter to get married.
And she was there and I got to meet her.
She was a lovely kid to get married.
And then I'm going to do it.
And then he tweeted something out.
RFK jumped in.
Trump jumped in.
They got him this medicine.
And I got him a few more months.
And, you know, so he got six more months.
Point being, with the made stuff, just because someone's terminal doesn't mean they don't have months left.
You can do a lot in those months.
It was funny.
There's another cartoonist.
I apologize in black in his name.
And he was friends with Scott for a long time.
Scott had promoted his work once, and he went from like obscurity to like a big name.
And Scott asked him, hey, can you write the foreword to my forthcoming biography?
And the guy's like, I'm not really going to have time.
So Scott was that kind of person where he's just like, just because, you know, I'm about to meet my maker, I don't want you to be morose.
His book, Reframe Your Brain, is a complete masterpiece.
Because what he does is he goes through mindsets and instantly recalibrates them.
One of them is the regular framework is, I should do great at my job.
And his reframe is, my job is to prepare for a better job.
And when you think about it that way, having that shitty job is not rough because you're just laying the groundwork for something better.
So when I spoke, I said the framework is we're having a memorial for Scott, but the reframe is we're having a party and Scott's really late.
Right?
So if you think about that terms, hey, we're having fun.
Where's this asshole?
Because he didn't want us to be there like moping.
He always was positive, always was fun, even during that day.
So I thought, I just owe him a lot.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Did he blame his death on the COVID shots?
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
So he got a lot.
This really bothered me because he'd be tweeting about stuff.
People like, shouldn't have got the shot.
It's like, this guy's about to die.
Like, this is your gotcha moment.
This is your like, I told you so moment.
It's just, so he did not blame it.
I wouldn't be surprised if that was the, you saw what just happened.
I met James Vanderbeek through you.
I met him at the mothership in the green room.
48, six kids.
The wife seemed very sweet and charming too.
He was just seemed like a real chill dude.
I haven't seen one person.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Not one person like a super nice guy.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
Not one person's anything bad to say about him, which says a lot from that kind of era.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Yeah.
No, he was a sweetheart.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
So 48, man.
That's scary.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
I know.
And there's an unprecedented number of young people that are dying of cancer.
In fact, was it Time magazine that had a cover of it?
I saved it because it was kind of the cover is kind of crazy because it's proposing what is causing these things and why is this all happening as if no one knows.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
Yeah, right.
Like, what could it be?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
What is the some fucking mystery?
Could be anything.
You know, I know I saved it.
Raised to explain why more young adults are getting cancer.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
Holy crap.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Yeah.
What do you think it could be?
Anything weird happen?
Do you guys know what SV40 is?
Should probably look it up.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
What's amazing about articles?
Like, do they are does that article make it a point to do they ignore the vaccine so-called vaccine or do they downplay it as the cause?
Like those are the two options.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Right.
What do they say in that article?
Did they bring up love to hear that?
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
Couldn't possibly be.
Do you know what really fucked me up recently?
And you're going to laugh in my face, and every Maha person listening to this is going to laugh in my face.
And you can feel free to laugh in my face because it's covered in polka dots.
Aspartame.
I would drink my main method of hydration was Dr. Pepper Zero.
It's warranted.
I know.
This is why I have the polka dots.
And I go to New York and I'm low on calories for my macros.
And I switched to full sugar, Dr. Pepper, so it wasn't the caffeine.
And my thinking changed.
And I'm like, this is.
And I go online.
This has been known for since I was quicker on my feet.
I was having trouble remembering words, remembering names, remembering just being my verbal cognitive speed of how I speak is something that is part of my job.
And I was having issues with that.
I have their workarounds, but I couldn't think of someone's name or someone's word.
Or I was having this false.
There you go.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Research has linked high consumption of aspartame to impaired memory, spatial learning deficits, and faster cognitive decline in adults under 60.
unidentified
Yep.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Neural inflammation, oxidative stress.
Aspartame metabolites could trigger chronic microglial activation and increased oxidative stress in the brain, leading to neuronal damage and potential neurodegeneration.
You know who pushed that through, right?
Aspartame?
Rumsfeld.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
No.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Search that.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
So here's the thing.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Throw that into perplexity.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
If you're listening to this and you're someone like me who was living on it, just try for two days, right?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Really?
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
And you'll know right away.
Because I also had this low-key anxiety all the time.
Like, it was like a one out of 10, but it was there.
I thought, okay, it's just whatever.
I thought it's just life.
Nope, it's gone.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Donald Rumsfeld, CEO of GD Cereal in the late 1970s, early 80s, played a pivotal role, the FDA approval of aspartame, the artificial sweetener, in products like NutriSweet.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
Holy crap.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Yeah.
So there were studies back then showing approval due to potential carcinogenic carcinogenicity risks.
Hayes approved aspartame for dry food shortly after, expanding it to beverages by 1983.
There were studies on, I think there were rat studies.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
And he gave them like Alzheimer's.
Well, so I am just warning people as much as I can.
Pretend I'm a quack.
That's fine.
Just give me two days.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Lay off aspartame.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
And see what happens to you.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Okay.
Well, it makes sense.
I mean, there's no biological free lunch.
If you get something, it does something positive, it's probably doing something negative.
If it's some novel potion that you're pouring into your body, there's probably some negative aspect of it.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
Talking to Dr. Mike about this, about brain tumors in rats.
Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Led the FDA to stay aspartame 74 approval.
Brain tumor and fucking rats, man.
Highlighted high brain tumor incidence in rat feeding studies and risks from phenylalanine causing convulsions or mental retardation.
Isn't that what they think killed Tammy Faye Baker?
Didn't she drink like a fucking gallon of Diet Coke a day?
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
Really?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Yeah.
Find that.
I think that's what a lot of people, because Tammy Faye Baker, I think, died of brain cancer.
Colon cancer?
Okay.
What's that?
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
That spread to her lungs.
Oh, that's awful.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Went from her colon to her lungs.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
What is she doing?
Ask the mouth stuff.
She should call Kristen Cinema.
I don't think it's contagious.
She should call Kristen Cinema.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
That was some weird orchies down there.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
Fuck.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
But wasn't she like a prolific Diet Coke drinker?
I think she was.
I think people were trying to link it.
Look, it can't be good for you.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
Well, I.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
It tastes like sugar.
It's not sugar.
It can't be good for you.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
It did a number on me, and I'm happy to be able to warn people.
It scared the fuck out of me when it was.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
I like stevia.
Like, I like these drinks called Zevias.
They're stevia drinks and zero calories, tastes good.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
Right.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
It doesn't quite taste like sugar, but it tastes good enough.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
I'm just sticking in my water and my full sugar sodas.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
But my daughter's like really good at reading labels and finding.
She was like, you're only supposed to drink one of those a day.
I was like, are you sure?
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
I was eating a protein bar this morning while I'm getting my face did, and I just look at the label, and one of the ingredients I see is titanium dioxide.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
I'm like, do I really titanium?
Interesting.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
Like, what?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Yeah.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
So that's in me now.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Yeah.
There's other protein bars.
You don't have to eat that shit.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
I think they all have that.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
No, I eat carnivore bars.
You ever have carnivore bars?
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
No, I have a lot of it.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
It tastes like fat and meat.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
I use MRE Light is the brand I use.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Carnivore bars are great.
They just taste like you're eating fat, fat and meat.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
Like, okay.
Is that all the ingredients are?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Yeah, I don't think there's anything bad in them at all.
I think it's like, pull that company up, carnivore bars.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
I'm happy to switch.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Yeah, I think it's pretty natural.
I don't think there's anything in there.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
This got to have a lot of salt or sodium.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Yeah, there's some salt in there, but salt's not bad for you.
That's all horseshit.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
Like when you're eating TV dinners and those numbers, that's not the best.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
That's different.
TV dinners are filled with preservatives.
Carnivore snacks is great.
This is.
No, well, this is something that I eat all the time.
This is my go-to snack.
When I go to the UFC, that's the stuff I bring.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
Okay.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
I bring that.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
Do you bring it?
They don't have it for you?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
No, I bring it.
I bring it because I get the snacks.
I work with this company, so they send me a bunch of it.
It's fucking great.
But the carnivore bar.
So this stuff.
unidentified
Okay.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Purest meal on earth, two ingredients: 20 grams of protein, 35 gram animal-based fat, 400 to 420 calories from grass-finished beef, shelf-stable, no refrigeration.
That's what I eat.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
Okay, send it to me.
Send me some, guys.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
I have some.
They'll send you some.
unidentified
Tell you.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
If I had some here, I eat those all the time.
I take them with me.
I throw them in my car.
It's fucking great.
If you want to eat something, that is what I need.
It's protein.
It's got grass-finished beef tallow, so you get the fat from grief to some people don't like the taste of it.
I like it.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
Why don't they?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
I'd like to mild or bland.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
That's fine, though.
Yeah, you're eating it from macro.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
I'm trying to get food.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
Right, yeah, nutrition.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Yeah, but it doesn't make me feel bad at all.
It feels like food.
Like, I've tried some other stuff.
Like, I tried those David bars.
Oh, my God, though.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
I never heard of that.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
The barts I was having.
So, David bars, they have some weird fat in it that your body doesn't digest.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
Like those oleen chips?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Something like that, but a new version of it.
And so when this company, when they were purchased, they got a monopoly on that kind of whatever this ingredient is.
And all these other companies, they blocked it.
These companies that were using it, they couldn't use it anymore.
So a lot of people were like boycotting David bars.
They taste good.
And they have like a lot of protein.
I think it's like 30 protein for like 150 calories.
But good lord, the farts I was having.
I was like, this is because your body's like, what is this?
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
I had that same thing with protein Cheerios.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Protein Cheerios.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
Yeah, it wasn't farts.
I was having the trots.
unidentified
Oh, right.
Yeah.
Like they just came by.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
It tastes good.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
What the fuck are you doing?
unidentified
Just eat it.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
Just eat some meat.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Yeah, but eat something like carnivore bars or those carnivore snacks are delicious.
It's just beef and salt.
That's all those carnivore bar snacks are.
It's like a beef pastry.
unidentified
Good.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
It's not even like jerky.
It's chewy.
It's delicious.
So this is a fat sub lab-engineered fat substitute called EPG, manufactured by a little-known Indianapolis-based company called Epigee.
After tinkering with the product formulation, the Fugles set up a website in 2024 and began promoting the bars at local bodybuilding shows and farmers markets.
jamie vernon ▲ ● ▼
It's just an article about food.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Right.
So what does it say that stuff does?
So find out what that stuff does.
But it does something where your body doesn't digest the fat.
Like it doesn't turn into calories.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
This is promoting them.
This is making it sound great.
jamie vernon ▲ ● ▼
Yeah, there's 58 other mentions of EPG in here.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
Yeah, this is making it sound like, oh, it's the best thing ever.
They're not mentioning the farts.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Well, yeah, this is probably promoting it.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
Yeah, it is.
Yeah.
jamie vernon ▲ ● ▼
Oh, no, it says about the lawsuit.
unidentified
Oh.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Oh.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
Oh, it is.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
It's essentially a better Olestra.
At the time, fat was the big culprit for heart disease, which it's not undigestible.
Olestra was undigestible.
That was its key attribute.
It passed right through the digestive tract, therefore wouldn't result in body fat.
The problem was its low melting point in the body, which led to an infamously polite phrase printed on the wow labels may cause abdominal cramping and loose stools.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
Yeah, people are shitting this stuff.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Yeah.
jamie vernon ▲ ● ▼
On those Pringles or something, I think.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Well, this stuff did give me loose stools, but it did give me like the devil was farting out of my asshole.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
I got to tell you, isn't that stuff that's fun?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Farts?
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
Yeah.
Like when you have a fart that sounds like a symphony.
Like when you're old and you start having new farts, I kind of like it.
Bench Press Dips and Jeans 00:15:26
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
I'm just like, I still got it.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Well, this was just like, for me, it was a warning sign.
My body was like, hey, this is.
I think it's a warning sign to other people too, Joe.
Yeah, right.
Anybody else near me?
So what is the problem with that stuff?
Yeah, my look.
Okay.
And problems.
unidentified
Yeah, I guess.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
So that was the thing they were trying to block other people from using it.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
Bloating, gas, and diarrhea.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Yeah, bloating, gas, and diarrhea due to sugar alcohol.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
Laxol effect.
unidentified
Wow.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
And the non-digestible fat substitute, that's it.
Which are poorly absorbed and can have a laxative effect, especially in larger amounts.
The company recommending limiting intake to two bars daily to minimize discomfort.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
Wait, wait, wait, can't we stop?
I love that they say minimize, not eliminate.
There's no food where you're like, you know, if you eat too much.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Minimize it.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
You're going to definitely have disgusting.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Who's eating two of these fucking things a day?
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
I'm sure people.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
I know, but I mean, like, after the farts, wouldn't you be like, hey.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
But it's not only the farts, it's the distension.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
The inflammation.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
Yeah, you have that bloated feeling.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
For some people, but why they would choose something like this is they want all that protein with 150 calories and they'll just take the farts.
unidentified
Yeah.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
Well, I mean, look away.
Whey's not digestible.
That's the standard protein for bodybuilders.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Yeah, but it doesn't bother me.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
Yeah, but a lot of people, whey is not easy to break down.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Yeah, I have zero problem with whey.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
I can't do whey.
Really?
Getting brain fog from the way a little bit interesting huh, maybe I would.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Something's wrong with my brain, I don't know well, you might have like some sort of a you know a milk allergy or something that's possible, hell knows.
But the point is I switched to the whole meat yeah, and that's something like carnivore snacks or those carnivore bars.
That's the solution.
Get those and that way you're.
You don't have to even think it's just food and your body treats it like food.
It feels like food when you eat it.
It doesn't feel like.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
It's just hard for me to get enough calories in a day for what I need.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
What are you trying to do?
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
I'm doing lean gains.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Lean gains yeah, what does that mean?
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
So you're keeping the same body fat, but you're slowly putting on weight.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
So it's really a tightrope.
Okay, so you're in.
You're involved in that.
Again, I know you bailed on bodybuilding type activities.
Well no, I still go to the gym, but you're trying to get jacked.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
I think i'm in good shape, but you're trying to get jacked.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
I know okay yeah, why you're doing that.
I didn't do that.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
What do you mean?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
I'm just asking, are you trying to get jacked I I?
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
Okay, that seems like a kind of question that you cornering me in the gym.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
No, what do you mean by trying?
No no no no, it's a normal thing for people that are trying to get swole.
You're trying to get like big muscles.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
I am trying to put on as much mass as I can while maintaining a somewhat lean build.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
What are you doing like as far as your workouts?
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
I go to gym four days a week.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
What are you doing with your workout?
What kind of workouts I do?
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
A bro split don't make fun of me.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
No, there's nothing wrong with a bro.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
Split is a bro.
There's nothing wrong.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Nothing wrong with it works.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
Yeah, but i'm not doing legs, because my legs are already too big for my jeans.
unidentified
What?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Yeah, get stretchy jeans I.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
I have 30 pairs of jeans.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
I don't need to get more jeans, point being my, but do you have regular jeans that are made out of cotton or do you get jeans that have flex in them?
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
I have 30 pairs, so it's a mix.
But point being, my legs are great.
I'm Russian.
Russians have great leg dna, so you don't work out your legs at all.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
You're gonna get an imbalance.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
How?
Also, if you work out your legs, your whole body will grow I I, that's true, and and you'll put up more pounds on the scale.
But, point being, i'm already, at the point, marginal with most of my jeans, and it's so.
They're not.
They're not skinny jeans.
Let me see your legs.
How am I going to show you my legs stand up.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Let me see your legs and your jeans.
Those are not too big.
That is ridiculous.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
No no, no.
I don't need to be.
No hold on, I will.
I will send you a photo of my legs and you're gonna apologize.
My legs are great.
Okay, they're not chicken legs.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
I believe you they don't look like chicken legs, but I don't think you should be concerned about them getting bigger.
First of all, it takes a lot to get your legs much larger.
It takes a lot like you're gonna have to really push past, like some severe discomfort.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
I i'm not disputing that.
But point is, they're already marginal with my clothes and I think new clothes.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
You've got money.
Listen, you gotta balance, you gotta keep your body balanced, like.
That's why you should do legs.
I mean, you should never just do upper body show.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
I am nowhere at the point where my upper body is too big for my legs.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Well, it's not that you should condition both of them together.
Okay, it's like you want to have a body that works together.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
My body is fine.
I'm not going to be body shamed on this show.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
I'm not body shaming.
I'm talking about functional.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
What function?
Going up the stairs, anything you have to do?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
If you have to pick something up and move it, I can.
If you're not working your legs, then all that stuff in your hips, all that stuff, all the surrounding tissue, all that stuff is not getting the exercise it deserves while you're working out your upper body.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
Fine point being, my legs are perfectly fine and okay, and it was hard for me to get the calories I need.
That's all i'm saying here.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
So um, how many calories?
What are you trying to do?
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
A day I, I think it's like 3200 okay, which is not nothing.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
That's a good meal for me.
That's a lot of calories yeah, I guess what do you mean?
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
You don't think that's a lot.
If you're eating clean, 3200 is a lot okay, Yeah, I guess.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Yeah.
So 3,200 calories.
So, but you're trying to stay lean.
And are you on testosterone replacement or anything like that?
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
I don't know what you're talking about.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Okay, you are.
Good.
That's good.
Peptides?
Any peptides?
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
You know what I tried?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Okay, good.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
I tried glow.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
What's glow?
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
Oh, well, well, well, Mr. Doesn't Skip Leg Day.
He doesn't have polka dots on his face.
Someone does.
You call yourself a bro and you don't have polka dots on your face.
Glow is this new peptide.
It's a combination of three things, and it's called glow because it has heavy copper, so it's blue.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Glow, huh?
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
You're welcome.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Interesting.
Most people combine PPC 157, TB500, and GHKCU without addressing sequencing or inflammation first.
Here's what determines whether glow truly works.
Interesting.
Oh, okay.
So it's a combination of all those things together.
Interesting.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
Because I pulled my shoulder pretty bad.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
With your heavy lifting?
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
I don't think it was heavy.
It's just probably, I don't know what happened.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
You don't lift heavy?
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
I lift somewhat heavy, but not enough.
I'm not going to lift heavy enough to provoke injury.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Okay.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
I think that's kind of foolish, especially at my age.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
It is, but if you want to gain weight.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
But I'm gaining weight.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
What kind of, you're not doing benching or anything, are you?
You do bench press?
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
Why wouldn't I do bench press?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Why wouldn't you?
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Because it's terrible for your shoulders.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
Well, I do dumbbell bench.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
That's slightly better for your shoulders.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
Okay.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
But that activity of having a lot of weight down here.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
I'm only putting up 70s.
That's not that much.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
It's a lot for you.
Okay.
All that weight back here, when you're right here, it puts tremendous strain.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
So what should I do for Pecs?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
You could do dips.
Dips are fantastic for it.
You know, don't go past 90 degrees.
You can, once you condition your shoulders to be able to do it.
But dips are good.
Weighted dips are really good.
There's stuff that you could do.
Like just kettlebells.
I don't do any chest exercises other than dips.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
Really?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Yeah.
I do a lot of kettlebells.
Most of my exercises are full body motion stuff.
Yeah, almost everything.
I do a lot of snatches, a lot of cleans, a lot of alternating cleans, a lot of renegade rows.
Everything I do is kettlebells.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
All I do is I know someone who really knows this stuff and I follow orders.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
That's good too.
That's good too.
My concern is always functional movement.
My concern is always I want my body to work as one unit.
I don't like isolating things.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
I think I do a lot of compounds, like incline dumbbell, incline bench is one example.
Or I don't even remember what the other kind of stuff.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
But if you have shoulder problems and you're benching, there's a lot of people I know that just have completely eliminated benching for.
unidentified
Is that right?
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
Okay.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Especially heavy benching.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
It only resolved this week, thank God.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
But you know what?
It won't, like, if you're doing kettlebells, that's the weird thing about kettlebells.
It increases the strength of all your activities.
I found that people that do snatches, it increased their VO2 max and it increased their ability to do chin-ups.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
I did used to do kettlebells.
I had it one of the lifts in my workout, and I pulled out my back once something so fierce, it was temporary, like almost like a cramp, but it was very, very scary.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Do you remember what the exercise was?
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
Yeah, I was doing the when you're bending over and you swing it over your head.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Snatch.
Yeah.
Well, the key to that is warm-ups.
Do you warm up a lot?
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
No.
No, I do warm-ups with the weights.
Like my first set will be 40% of my working set.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
What I would recommend is you got to, especially as you get older, you really have to warm your body up.
And one of the things that I do is I always do 10 minutes on the air dyne bike, get everything like slightly sweaty, then I do a lot of jump rope.
I get everything fired up, and then I do a lot of mobility exercises.
I do like body twists.
I do these things like you wave, I get down to the bottom and I wave all the way up, but I bend backwards and I go forward.
I do a lot of twists.
I get everything loose.
And then I start with push-ups and bodyweight squats.
I do 100 push-ups, 100 bodyweight squats, and that's my warm-up.
So all that stuff, by the time I'm done with all that stuff, now everything's warm.
And now I can start working.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
How many days a week do you lift or work out?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Well, I work out almost every day.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
Oh, okay.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Occasionally I'll take a day off, but I work out almost every day.
And then with lifting, it's almost every day.
It depends on what I'm doing.
If I'm hitting the bag, generally, I don't lift weights the days I hit the bag.
So that's like maybe two or three days a week.
So the other two days a week, I alternate between stuff like body weight stuff, like pull-ups, chin-ups, dips.
I do L pull-ups where you stick your legs out straight.
So you're working your abs at the same time you're doing that.
I do a bunch of different things, lower back stuff, a lot of back extensions, reverse hyper stuff, sit-ups on that GHB machine where you're going all the way down.
Yeah.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
I'm just happy with the results.
And I'm of the if it ain't broke, don't fix it mindset.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
That's good.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Well, as long as you're happy with the results, I would just avoid a lot of heavy lifting with bench press.
I think bench press is so many people I know that have fucked their shoulders up, fucked their shoulders up through bench press.
And I know a lot of bros are going to get angry.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
I know.
That's what I'm waiting for.
It's like, oh, my God, you bench, bro.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
But here's the thing: like, we did the Sober October thing where, you know, we had these stupid fitness challenges.
And then after Sober October is over, we all got drunk.
And so then we went out to my gym and Ari, Tom, and Bert were all trying to bench 225.
And I don't bench at all.
And I did it 13 times.
Like, I don't bench.
And I just.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
Ari could pull up two plates?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
No, he couldn't.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
Okay, that was.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
No, they all got pinned.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
Yeah, 225 is no joke.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Yeah.
Bert can do it now, but back then he was lifting.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
You can't casually do two plates.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Yeah.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
No one can.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Yeah, but I did without ever benching.
I know.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
No, but I mean, like, you're someone who works out or damns.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Right.
Like if you're not casual, you're going to get crushed.
They all got crushed.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
Yeah, of course.
Wait, they thought they could do it?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Bert did.
Bert definitely.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
Bert's heavy, right?
How much does Bert weigh?
He's like 250.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Bert's like 250.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
Right, for sure.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Tom was bigger at the time, too.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
Okay, I mean, it must have just collapsed.
There was no problem.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Yeah, they got crushed.
But the point is, it's like doing kettlebells will help all those sorts of things.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
Of course.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Because it just, your whole body gets strong, and it's not an unusual motion to do that.
You know, you could do it.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
Yeah, I just, I like the weights.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Duh, weights are great.
There's nothing wrong with weights.
I just would be careful about benching.
Even dumb.
I think dumbbell benching is probably better than barbell benching.
And I just think there's other ways to work your chest.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
Okay.
I'll talk to Monster Russ.
That's my guy.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
And there's a lot of people that don't even agree with dips.
Like my orthopedic surgeon that told me that I need to get my shoulder operated on 15 years ago, and I never did.
He was like, got to stop doing dips.
I go, why?
unidentified
Really?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
He goes, everybody I know that fucked their shoulder up did it through dips.
I go, well, that doesn't mean anything.
Right.
But I'm looking at him.
I'm looking at him and his body.
I'm like, look at your, shut the fuck up.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
And look at all these gymnasts.
They do dips 24 seconds.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Exactly.
Just build up to it.
Don't do too much.
All of it is like overworking your body.
You have to like slow progression is the key.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
There is something fun about it.
I do love doing dips because you feel like you're flying.
There's something about it when you're just out.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
What can I say?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
But that's a great chest exercise.
Dips are.
Yeah.
Along with the push-ups, you do 100 push-ups a day and then do dips.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
But you're the okay.
We could talk about this also.
You're the one.
Can I tell you what you said to me at the mothership about this?
unidentified
What did I say?
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
You said you can't be jacked and be funny.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Well, you can, but you can't show it.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
I meant like you, you like at a certain point, you're too jacked.
There's a cost.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Well, there's definitely a cost to the way you look.
Like, you look intimidating, and that's not that funny for people.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Yeah.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
And Roseanne was telling me, or just when she was starting out, she lost all this weight and people stopped laughing.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Ah, there's plenty of skinny, funny women.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
Not in 1981.
Are you calling Roseanne Barr a liar?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
No, I just don't think that's what it was.
I've seen people lose weight and still be hilarious.
It's just like there is a mentality that people have.
Like Kevin James, his fucking agent said this to him once.
I got furious.
Kevin was losing weight.
He was trying to get in shape.
He was really self-conscious about his weight.
And his agent said, Kevin, when you lose weight, you're losing roles.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
But that's true, though, because he's very much a specific character.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
So he could fucking do anything.
He's a talented guy.
It's not like if he lost the weight, he wouldn't be funny anymore.
That dude's fucking funny.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
Hold on, hold on.
I'm not disrespecting Kevin James in any way.
Mad respect for him.
Ball cop, the greatest comedy of all time.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
It's a funny movie.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
I believe you.
I haven't seen it.
Point being, he is very much in people's mind a certain specific thing.
unidentified
Right.
Right.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
So if Kevin James stopped being that thing, I think it's going to be a lot hard for a lot of normies to come over with him to a different paradigm.
That's all I'm saying.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Perfect.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
Come on.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
It would be a challenge, but I think he'd still be hilarious.
I do not think that he is limited by his weight.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
You don't, okay.
If Will Farrell got like Hugh Jackman, do you think he'd have the same roles?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
He wouldn't necessarily have the same roles.
He would still be very funny.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
Yes, he would, but you know perfectly well that there's lots of people.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
It would be weird because he would be super jacked.
Like if he got the rock jacked, it would be weird.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
People don't know how to deal with that stuff.
So the agent's not wrong.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Well, the agent's still not looking out for Kevin's health.
Why Comparing Isn't Helping 00:05:39
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
How big was he that big?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
He was big.
He was big and he didn't like it and he was worried.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
Yeah, okay, that's very fair.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Yeah.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
But you don't have to go from, you could go slim or you don't have to go to like, you know, running peptides and stuff.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Right.
You don't have to get jacked.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
But maybe he wants to.
You can.
It could be done.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
I mean, what's that guy who claims he's natty, that Indian guy who was in, I think, The Avengers or something?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Oh, Camille?
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
Yeah.
Was it him?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
I don't think he claims he's natty.
Does he?
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
They do special.
It's special exercises, Joe.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Come on.
He doesn't even claim he's on testosterone replacement.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
Don't you know that if you just do lateral races.
Yeah, he claims natty.
He has to.
They all have to.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
I don't know if that's real.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
Yes, it does.
Look him up.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
He did a very funny bit about people being angry at him for getting in shape.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
Oh, okay.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
He did a funny bit in his stand-up, his recent stand-up special about that.
Does he claim that he's natural?
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
That's so weird.
The one I'm thinking of is in a stand-up, the one from the movies.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Yeah, he's a stand-up.
He started out as a stand-up.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
Oh, good for him.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Camille Nanjiani.
Yeah.
Yeah, he started out as a stand-up.
Yeah.
And he's doing stand-up again, and he just released a special.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
What's his name claims natty too?
The Thor.
They all do.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
No, that guy claims daddy.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
They have to.
Chris Hemsworth?
I think he does.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Get the fuck out of here.
That guy gained like 60 pounds of solid muscle.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
Well, that's because he's doing lateral raises, you fool.
Oh, I didn't know.
How do you know?
You've never seen him put a needle in his ass.
He has personal trainers that teach him second exercises.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
You're right.
I've been on testosterone replacement for a long time, and I highly recommend it to anybody who wants to stay in shape.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
How long have you been on it?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Since I was like almost 40.
I started with like the cream, and then, well, I noticed my, I was, you know, I was training a lot.
That was back then.
I was doing jiu-jitsu four or five days a week, and I was lifting.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
That's hard on the body.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
It is hard.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
Yeah, of course.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
And you're always tired.
And, you know, I had a doctor that specialized in that stuff.
It's one of those things was hormone replacement therapy and doing a lot of it for people that had had head injuries.
Because people with head injuries, people that have had CTE and a lot of like you have damage to your pituitary gland.
A lot of times your brain is not producing testosterone at the level it's supposed to be.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
Oh, is that right?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Yeah, your pituitary gland gets damaged from repeated head trauma.
That's one of the things that causes depression in a lot of people that have had head trauma.
It's like your body's not making hormones anymore.
So you're just like, you're fucking lethargic all the time.
That's a factor.
His statements.
He described a year-long process with professional trainers, nutritionists funded by Marvel, daily workouts, precise calorie tracking, no refined sugar, and minimum fats.
In his 2019 Instagram post, he emphasized the resources required, but never mentioned PEDs, steroids, or denied their use.
So he never denied it.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
Okay, he didn't deny it.
So, okay, I take it back.
I apologize.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Yeah.
From a softer build at age 41, for fucking sure, he got on testosterone.
There was a lot of people that were giving me shit about being on testosterone 15 years ago that are on it now.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
Yeah, no disrespect to him.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Well, there's nothing wrong with it.
I just said I do it.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
No, that's the point.
No, but at the surface.
It's just really funny.
People are yelling at him, oh, you're cheating.
It's like cheating for what?
Where's the test?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
People are silly.
People are silly.
And they're just mad that he looks, he didn't look like he looked like them.
He was doughy.
And now all of a sudden he looks like a bro and they don't like it.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
Yeah, but the thing that's kind of crazy is now the kids in high school are hopping off.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
That's crazy because you're going to destroy your endocrine system.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
And also if you're peaking at 18, that's not going to be good for your mental health.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Well, it's not just that.
It's just like it kills your dick.
It kills your when you put a bunch of exogenous testosterone in your body, your body stops making testosterone.
And so say if you're on a cycle for like a month, two months, it will take you four months for your body to get back to normal.
It takes, I think that's the ratio most people, if you're not taking like clomaphene or any of these other things or HCG or something that naturally ramps up your testosterone, I think they think that the number is like double the time that you are in a cycle.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
It's also harder and harder.
If you keep running cycles, it gets harder and harder.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
100% because your body starts relying on it and your endocrine system shuts down.
And it's like, why do we have to make testosterone?
This guy's got more than a normal human ever has.
And so we just stop.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
And I think these numbers are through the roof with the kids now.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Well, they all want to be like an influencer.
They all want to be jacked.
You know, it's just like you don't understand the harm you're doing to your body.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
But it's also the kind of thing where it's just like you shouldn't be comparing yourself to the guy on Instagram or the gym.
Compare yourself to the guy on the plane.
Next time you're at an airport.
That's what I do.
That's what kind of helped me.
When I get on a flight, I'm like, how many of these people, especially my age, are in good shape?
It's going to be one out of 100.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Well, the other thing is, there's, especially when you're young, there's plenty of stuff that you can do that's natural and super beneficial and not dangerous, like creatine.
But creatine is tremendous.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
But you're not going to be a name.
No one's going to notice you on Instagram.
That's the thing.
They're chasing the fame.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Oh, that's so sad.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
It's very sad.
It's very, I mean, some of these guys look better than Schwarzenegger and they're 17.
It's insane.
But it's just like, what's your future going to?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Well, you're not going to have kids, right?
You're going to be sterile.
You're not going to have any sperm.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
But, you know, there was that thing about they asked Olympians, would you give up like 20 years of your life?
You're guaranteed a gold.
And like 90% of them said yes.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Yeah.
I know.
Well, look at Lindsay Vaughan.
I mean, she knew that she had a blown ACL and she still skied.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
Is that right?
unidentified
Yeah.
Olympic Resilience 00:07:13
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
She blew her ACL out like a couple of weeks before the Olympics and still decided to compete and then shattered her leg with this horrible compound fracture.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
Oh my God.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Oh, you didn't know about that?
Oh, yeah, she had to get airlifted.
She's had multiple surgeries.
She's fucked for a long time.
Her leg broke in multiple places.
She's got rods and stuff in it.
And leg breaks are really scary because your body doesn't necessarily always heal from those.
Like sometimes the blood flow is not appropriate.
It's not what you need.
And people get their legs amputated from those things.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
Jesus.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Yeah, femur breaks are super dangerous.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
I've never broken a bone.
Ever?
I know, right?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
That's crazy.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Nothing?
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
Part of me is like, is this something I want to try before I die?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
No, it sucks.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
Does it?
But sucks.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
How bad is that?
Well, I broke my arm when I was seven.
I broke my forearm right here.
I fell off a monkey bar and snapped my forearm in half.
That healed perfect.
But when you're a kid, they just put me in a cast and like six weeks later, I was good to go.
I broke my fibula, the small bone of my tibia in sparring.
A friend of mine threw a back kick at the same time.
I was throwing a kick and his heel hit my fibula and cracked that.
But that was only a crack.
I actually competed with that.
I put soccer pads on it, those plastic soccer.
I taped soccer instep pads.
That was that part of my, I didn't tell anybody.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
Oh, okay.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Because it was a Taekwondo tournament.
So I had pants on.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
Yeah, yeah, okay, yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
And so I put like a regular soccer pads.
I taped them to my calf, and then I put the foam one on over that, and I competed.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
Huh, okay.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
I won the States that way.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
Okay, great.
Were you a national champion?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
I won American Open, and I came in second place in the U.S. Cup against the national champion, and I think I should have beat him.
I got a bad decision.
But I never won the national championships.
But at the time that I was getting ready to try to win the national championships in 88, the problem was I had already been disillusioned because I had started kickboxing.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
Okay.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
And I'd already started realizing there's a lot of holes in Taekwondo.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
Well, Taekwondo is like, with the rise of UFC, it's really not good.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Well, it is if you know all the other stuff.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
Right, right.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Those in and itself are devastating.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
They're devastating.
And a guy who's a really good kicker, like a Michael Venom Page, for instance, who's a karate specialist who learned how to defend takedowns, they're really dangerous because they have the ability to cover distance and kick at range.
And if you're not a good kicker and you don't recognize what this guy's doing, they could fuck you up.
But there was so many holes in Taekwondo when it came to punching to the face and then leg kicks.
I didn't realize how many holes there were in it until I started really getting into kickboxing.
So I was, by the time 88 rolled around, I was already disillusioned.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
Okay.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Yeah.
And then I was already starting to do stand-up.
So I was like, what am I doing with my life?
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
Oh, I got a bone to pick with you.
unidentified
Ooh.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
I'm excited.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
Oh, you set me up perfectly.
You set me up perfectly.
Thank you, Joe Rogan.
Bridget Fettie sat in this very chair.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Right.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
The chair I'm farting in right now because I had some vintage Olean chips for today.
And this chair is going to be a disaster.
That's a Trump chair.
I know.
And she told you that I'm starting to do stand-up.
And you said, that's great.
He's so funny.
You can open for me.
And then I was all excited about this opportunity.
And I wait a few weeks because I was scared to like whatever.
And you text me about some meme.
And I go.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
First of all, I don't think I said you could open for me.
I highly doubt I said that.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
You did, but that's fine.
I'm not holding you to it.
I'm just saying you said that.
That's fine.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Maybe I was joking.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
I'm not holding you to it.
You were just encouraging.
Okay.
Let's just leave it there.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
I think you're very funny.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
Okay.
You text me about some meme.
I go, hey, I'm going to do stand-up.
You go, you absolutely should.
You're very funny.
I go, I have my set.
What should I do next?
Do you know what you said?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
What?
unidentified
Nothing.
Yeah.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
You left me unread?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
You're on your own, bitch.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
What do you mean?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Because you got to figure it out.
It's like, you know, I want to start fighting.
What should I do?
You know what to do.
I go to the fucking gym.
Figure it out.
Start training.
You can't hold anybody's hand.
Stand-up is too hard for you to help someone in the beginning.
You've got to actually want to do it.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
Sure.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
So you've got to go to open mics.
You got to do stand-up.
You got to get ready, put a set together, record it, review it.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
Done.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Okay.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
So you're doing stand-up all the time.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
Not all.
You're saying I should do it all the time?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
You have to do it all the time.
It's like if you want to spar, you have to spar every week.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
Do you know what everyone told me who I asked?
Like, I asked like 10 biggish people who had names, and they all said the same thing.
You have to bomb.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Yeah.
Well, bombing is good because it lets you realize how difficult it is, and then you don't like the feeling and you work really hard.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
And also, you know, you have to be ready for that moment and how to recover from it.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Yeah.
Yeah.
Failure.
Failure, I think, in everything is good.
Losing is important.
It's very important.
It motivates you to do better.
You know, people don't like that feeling, but a lot of uncomfortable feelings lead to growth.
And that's why they're important.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
That's true.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Heartbreak, losing a job, getting fired.
All those things are important.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
Okay.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Well.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Stand-up's important to it's important to have like bad sets.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
Oh, I think you said bad sex.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Bad sets.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
Yes.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
So when was the last time you went up?
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
I haven't done it for a while because I didn't know what to do.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Yeah, you got to do it a lot.
It's got to be something that you're dedicated to.
That's why I'm saying you can't just say that.
unidentified
How do I do?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Okay, that's fair.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
That's very fair.
I've been talking to Callan.
He's been very helpful.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Yeah, just there's plenty of places we could perform.
I mean, Austin alone, on my street alone on 6th Street, is there's like within a one-block radius is like seven clubs.
I'm not arguing that.
I mean, this is the place.
If you want to do stand-up, this is the fucking place, man.
I mean, it's incredible right now.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
Okay, fair enough.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
I mean, my club alone has two nights of open mic nights.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
Is that true?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Sunday and Monday night are both open mic nights.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
Okay, then I'm going to sign up.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Yeah, we have a real development program.
The whole idea is like to make it so that we have like a real foundation of people that are coming up.
And that motivates all the people that are already doing well.
It's like, oh, these guys are really working hard, and it gets everybody excited about working hard.
And then it motivates the people at the top saying, hey, these young guys are really good.
And then guys start getting specials.
And like Cam Patterson just got an SNL.
All these things are happening for people from the club.
So it's like, it's a great place.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
Okay.
No, that's fine.
That's very fair.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Yeah, but it's not something that you can kind of casually do every now and again.
You can, but you won't be as good as you will be if you do it every week.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
Callan said that as well.
He's like, you have to put in the time.
This is not something that you could do just on weekends.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Yeah, you can't like run around your block once a month and think you can go do a marathon.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
Right.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Yeah.
You got to get into it.
And you got to, the thing about stand-up is like you're making a mountain one layer of paint at a time.
It's not a quick process.
To become a stand-up, most people agree.
And it's not a hard, fast rule because it's depending upon how much actual time you do and how much focus.
The general rule is 10 years.
10 Years? 00:03:52
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
Really?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Yeah.
The general rule is 10 years.
Like people don't really think of you as being legit until you've been in it for 10 years.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
I don't know that I have 10 years.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
I don't know if anybody has 10 years.
I don't know if the human race has 10 years.
You see those robots in China that are doing fucking kung fu?
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
Are they already?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Oh my God.
They just did this demonstration, this martial arts demonstration with these robots on a stage.
It's crazy how fucking how they move.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
I'm more worried about if anyone can use AI to engineer a bioweapon.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Oh, that.
Yeah, that's real.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
Because there was a piece, a guy, I forget his name, I apologize, where he's one of these big AI people.
And he goes, if you use the paid for AI, he goes, I can tell it to write me code.
And it also knows idiosyncratic preferences.
So it's better than hiring a person.
And that's today.
So what's going to happen in two years, three years?
Like, how do you put guardrails on that?
I don't think you can.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
I don't think you can.
And there's a lot of people that are resigning from a lot of these companies that are saying we're doomed.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Yeah.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
I'm not a doom and gloom kind of guy, but that I think is a much faster path toward something happening than come through robots.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Well, there's also automated rep weapons, weapon systems that are totally autonomous.
That's yes, the government's working on that.
And I believe there was an issue, see if you can find this, with one of the AI companies not willing to partner with the US or not willing to do something with autonomous weapons programs.
I think it's Anthropic.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
Oh, wow.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Yeah, I think Anthropic was like, we don't think that's good.
And all the other ones are like, let's go.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
Holy shit.
Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Yeah.
Well, the thing is, is China doing that?
They probably are.
Anthropic is clashing with the Pentagon over AI use.
Here's what each side wants.
Anthropic's relationship with the Department of Defense is under review as the two sides negotiate over how the company's AI models can be used.
Startup wants assurance that its models will not be used for autonomous weapons or mass surveillance.
Oh my God, these pop-ups are brutal.
Fuck you, CNBC.
The DOD wants to use Anthropic models for all lawful use cases without limitation, according to Emil Michael, the Under Secretary of War for Research and Engineering.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
Holy crap.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Yeah.
So this is what they're doing.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
So which is worse, autonomous weapons or mass surveillance?
I think it's mass surveillance though.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Both of them are terrible.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
Yeah, which is worse, though.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Because they work hand in glove.
Both of them are terrible.
I mean, did you see Alex Karp that interview that he did?
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
Which one?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Where he was talking about Palantir, and he's like, we're going to, you know, and occasionally kill people.
We're going to use it to kill people.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
That's what he said.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
Right.
Right.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
But he was like openly saying, kill people.
Like, this is what we're doing.
Like, what?
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
But did you see that big leak from Palantir, which I don't know if it's been verified or not, where they were talking, Kim.com was the one who dropped this.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Yes.
I did see that Kim.com tweeted about it, but I didn't see if it was verified.
What did he say exactly?
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
Jay, if you could pull it, it was a long, it was a long, long thing.
And it was very, because he said Palantir got hacked.
He said he doesn't have, I don't think it was verified that this was legitimate, but these were the bullet points he laid out, and it was extremely disturbing.
It's not surprising that a private company is going to be more effective and efficient than the government at implementing what the government wants.
A lot of the things during COVID wasn't literally the government.
These corporations are more than happy to impose these kinds of, you know, don't if you don't get the vaccine, so-called, you're going to get fired.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Well, they were all having backdoor deals.
It's Like a Scene from John Wick 00:02:21
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
Exactly, but they were more than happy to do it.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Yeah, they were being incentivized.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
Right, right.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Which is fucking crazy.
But the thing about this AI stuff that no one realizes except for the engineers that are deeply invested in this is that it's accelerating at this tremendously rapid pace that they can't really control.
Chat GPT-5, I was reading this article.
ChatGPT made ChatGPT-5.
They essentially tasked the AI to make a better version of itself.
Make sure that's true.
I'm pretty sure that's what they're saying.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
Right now, for free, if you put any photo on Grok Imagine, it animates it.
And it looks realistic.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Yeah.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
Like instantly.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
There's a video of me and Keanu Reeves doing kung fu in this room.
Like he's dressed up like John Wick.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
But it looks real, I'm sure.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
It looks very real.
It's like a scene from John Wick.
It's like we're doing like movie-style kung fu in this room.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
And the average person can't distinguish between what is on their screen and what is outside their window.
unidentified
Right.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
And for the human brain, they're going to remember it and perceive it as something that they had seen before.
It is a very scary thing.
I remember something that clicked in my head, Survivor Season 1.
So that was like 2000, I think it was, 2001.
They had the second to last episode.
There's four contestants left.
And they go next week on Survivor.
And Sue turns to Kelly and she goes, we got to vote out Richard.
And I was on a message board at the time.
And one of the people, they're like, who do you think is going to be eliminated?
One goes, oh, I think they're going to vote out Richard.
Did you hear what Sue said?
We all heard it.
This wasn't eavesdropping.
This was a sound clip that the editor left in.
There was nothing else to hear.
In fact, you could only hear what Sue said to Kelly.
And that was such a wake-up moment for me.
Like, holy shit, people really think they're on that beach and they heard something they weren't supposed to.
But you laugh.
But there will be people who tell you right now with a straight face, and I think they could pass the lie detector test easily, that Trump said we should inject bleach.
And Trump said, I'm praising very fine people, white nationalists.
And you could play the tape.
They will not perceive it.
They're not lying.
And I think that's a big hurdle for a lot of people to accept.
People honestly are perceiving things that you're not.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
That's true.
Yeah.
And they're also only looking at headlines or only looking at narratives.
They get a tweet.
They read the tweet.
Perceptions vs. Reality 00:10:57
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Oh, my God.
I can't believe they're doing this.
And then they put it down.
They're too busy.
They're not going to do deep dives.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
It's not that they're too busy.
It's that their preconception has been validated.
They're not running a true-false filter.
They're running an us-them filter.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Right.
That's right.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
Trump's thousands of times in the Epstein files.
There you go.
What else do I need to tell you?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
That's it.
Yeah.
Very fine people on both sides.
I mean, Obama said that during the campaign.
When he said that during the campaign, I'm like, that's crazy.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
Well, Biden said that was his reason for running.
You don't remember that?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
You see in the Epstein file, someone said that Biden's dead?
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
And that Epstein's alive.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Yeah, that might be real.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
I don't know how they pull that off.
Here's the thing.
I'm sorry to interrupt you.
Whenever I hear something that's out there, I'm not saying it's ridiculous.
I always say to myself, what steps would need to be taken for this to be true, right?
So if you're going to keep Epstein alive, and he's obviously extremely visible, his face and very known, how do you keep that guy under wraps would be the question I would have.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
You move him to Israel and you get plastic surgery.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
You think so?
That's it?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Yeah.
Look, Renee Zellweger looks different.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
That's true.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
And she's a fucking movie star.
So she kind of ruined her career by making herself look prettier.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
Right.
No, she looks Asian now.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
She's got all those weird.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
She got all those big cheeks and her eyes are all like small now.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
What did she do?
Let's take a look at her.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
She's all puffy-faced, yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Like people said that Bradley Cooper did something.
But he came in here.
He looked fucking completely normal.
It's just weird pictures online.
Like maybe one day he was tired.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
Linda Zellweger really did.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
She did something.
Bradley Cooper looks exactly like Bradley Cooper to me.
Yeah.
Okay.
Like she did something weird.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
She was so cute.
She looks like that.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Look at her in 2009.
She was so cute.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
Doesn't that annoying lefty lady who's a podcaster?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
I don't know.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
Yes, you do.
The one who was a real housewife, and now she's awful.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
I don't know her name, but she's awful.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
Yeah, she's a heel.
She does a great job being a heel.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
She's great at that.
Everyone, fucking lock them all off.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
Right, right, yeah, yeah.
She looks like a lot of people.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
She doesn't want to fuck her anymore, and she's very angry.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
That's who she looks like now.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Let me see that again.
jamie vernon ▲ ● ▼
I'm just looking at other photos.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Other photos?
Okay, the one on the far right.
She's still pretty, but there's definitely a change in her face.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
Look at that fifth photo.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Jennifer Gray is a better example.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
Well, she's got a nose job.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Right.
But after that nose job, her career kind of fucking stopped.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
Well, no, Linda Evans is the worst of this.
Can you pull up Linda Evans?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Linda Evans from The Terminator?
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
From Dynasty.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Oh, Linda Hamilton, Terminator.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
Yeah, Linda Evans is very.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Linda Hamilton is fucking awesome in Stranger Things.
What did she do?
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
I mean, she looks horrific.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Well, she's old, man.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
Yeah, but there's plenty of old people who don't look like that.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
She doesn't look like she did anything.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
She sued.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
She sued.
For a plastic surgery?
unidentified
Yeah.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
Look at that one right there, Jamie.
Yeah.
unidentified
Pull that up.
jamie vernon ▲ ● ▼
I'm just, yeah.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
It's bad.
jamie vernon ▲ ● ▼
YouTube video.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Well, that's just, I don't see.
Where does it say?
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
The one right under that, the red one.
See that?
Yeah, pull that up.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
See?
Finding peace and happiness growing older in the Northwest.
That just looks like an older lady.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
But she doesn't look like herself at all.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
But she's older.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
But she had a lot of effed up work.
Maybe she had some of it reversed.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
maybe you're saying that's not that that one's not that shocking to me That's just an older lady.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
I think it's quite shocking because I think it looks bad.
unidentified
Disrespect her.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
I mean, that's the difference between a 30-year-old lady and a fucking 70-year-old lady.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
There's plenty of 70-year-old lady who don't look like protein bars.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
I don't know.
I don't think that's the best example.
I think the Renee's.
Okay, what has Linda done to her face?
Right.
Okay, so it might not be true.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
There's a lot of cases like this.
You know, it's whatever.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Yeah.
What was the point?
How do we get on that?
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
What are we talking about?
Keanu Reeves, Renee Zellweger?
jamie vernon ▲ ● ▼
I was on chat.
I was looking up ChatGPT stuff and then switched through that.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Okay, yeah.
ChatGPT 5.
Did ChatGPT code ChatGPT 5?
jamie vernon ▲ ● ▼
I don't even know how to search that.
I don't know the right search term to look that up because I'm not getting anywhere.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
If you ask that question, it doesn't.
jamie vernon ▲ ● ▼
ChatGPT 5 makes itself better.
There's something that I was trying to dig into.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
Oh, is that singularity?
jamie vernon ▲ ● ▼
It's called self-correcting loops or something like that, but I'm not getting anywhere with that.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
That's not the right thing.
This was the concern about AI was that eventually AI would become sentient and autonomous and would create better versions of itself.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
Right.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
And it would do it very quickly.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
Right.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
And I think we're in that right now.
I think what we're getting from these engineers is an indication that the people that are deeply involved in this are fucking disturbed by the power of this stuff.
They essentially say that they don't have a job anymore.
They just kind of show up and it does the work for them and that this is far more potent than what the general public is aware of.
And getting better all the time.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
We're at the point now where Grok is a better conversationalist and better at perceiving nuance and humor than the average person.
A lot of times if I have a tweet and some Cretan comes in with some response, I will just say, hey, Grok, explain to this person such and such and such.
And I leave it for Grok to be like a tart handler.
And I do this every single day.
But the point is, if I'm being humorous, maybe my jokes aren't that funny.
Point being, Grok understands that I'm being humorous.
Even this person isn't or is pretending not to.
So what happens when the average person, what are they bringing to the table?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Right, what are they bringing to the table?
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
What about artists, too?
The AI art's getting better every single day.
Like I did a book where I used AI for the cover.
It's like, what are you going to do with – you're going to have a certain number of people who are good at massaging it and having great ideas.
But at a certain point, there's only so much you can do.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Did you see what the Doer brothers did?
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
No.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
They're these really good AI artists.
They're the guys who do all the intros to the Kill Tony videos.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
Yeah, yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
They're fucking awesome.
And they just made like a Hollywood movie and they did it in like a day with AI.
See if you can find that clip because it went viral and everybody's kind of freaking out.
They're like, Hollywood's done.
Because this clip is insane.
It's so realistic looking.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
And the other thing is, by the time we're all wrapping our heads around it, it's already six months ago.
That's what's crazy.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
And it's far better than it was then.
jamie vernon ▲ ● ▼
They put out another one today.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Let me see.
Put the heavy ones.
unidentified
Okay.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Yes, sir.
Go full screen, back it up.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
This is all AI?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Yeah.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Whoa.
unidentified
What the fuck?
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
I don't...
unidentified
Wow.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
I don't think it's a good idea for humans to casually.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
This is the other one they did.
I'll check this one out.
unidentified
I'm really busy.
Can you get Sophia today?
What?
No, I have a meeting.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
I can't.
unidentified
Oh, shit.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
This is all AI?
unidentified
This is a phenomenon that's caused by a massive animation comes available.
Stay tuned to this channel for continuous coverage.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
It looks so realistic.
unidentified
I don't like this. I love you.
I'm on my way.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
Oh, my God.
unidentified
I need you to hide.
Get underground I can't watch
oh my god it's a great cybertruck ad now people are quite online you can
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
You can hear the engine, which is no, but you can hear the engine when it does that.
It makes a weird humming noise.
unidentified
Morning, Sleeping Beauty.
Why don't you get the president on the phone?
Weird Humming Noise 00:03:16
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
We have her.
unidentified
What the hell?
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
I'll be right there.
Oh, my God.
I don't like this at all.
unidentified
I don't like that at all.
jamie vernon ▲ ● ▼
I don't think the sound was AI.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
Some of it could have been, but I don't think it's a good thing for people to casually be seeing footage of people being shot in the face.
Like, I'm on YouTube.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Got that.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
I'm saying it's not a good thing.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Check out this video that I just sent you, Jamie.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
Okay.
There's a lot of, I watch a lot of police body cam videos on YouTube.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Oh, yeah.
And you see people killed.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
And it's just like, are we not having a conversation, the effects of the human mind of just watching real people getting killed left and right all the time?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Oh, I know.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
Especially in young people?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
There's a lot of that.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
Like, I don't like seeing, I mean, watching.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Check this out.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
Okay.
Oh, Jesus.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
I was just asking about the pencil trick.
unidentified
This is crazy.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
This is crazy.
Oh, they're shame.
Okay.
unidentified
Wow.
Weird.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
But I don't, like, you don't see anything wrong with just casually showing planes flying into buildings.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Well, all movies do that, though.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
I don't think that's...
Yeah, but the thing is, this is how you kind of borrow the frog.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
But they've always done that in action movies.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
I don't think to that level is to have anyone be able to make this the drop of a hat.
I'm not saying you should be banned.
I'm just saying I think at a certain point, if 24-7, we're seeing dozens of people getting killed, it's going to have an effect on people's psyches.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
No question.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
And I don't think that's a good effect.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Well, it's what we have now before this, not good.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
Do you know what else is fucked up?
We're not even talking about this kind of porn is going to look like.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Right.
Right.
And porn with anybody, like you or Jamie.
You and Jamie could be fucking in a video.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
I'm talking about.
unidentified
What?
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
I'm talking about snuff films.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Oh, right.
Right.
Yeah.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
You can make porn right now on doing the girl, then you cut her head off or cut body parts off.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Yeah, just pull out a shotgun as soon as you pull it off.
Pull out a knife.
Yeah, anything.
Yeah.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
And it'll look really realistic, and you have no way of, we're still apes.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
People probably already making that.
Of course they are.
They're probably already.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
Well, that I know.
The investigators already don't have the tools to distinguish between real videos of infants and AI videos of infants.
And this is, again, this has been a bridge that's been crossed and no one knows what to say or do about it.
It's just like we're kind of just blinking and it's here.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Well, it's not just here.
It's here and growing and getting stronger all the time.
And we're all just plowing headfirst towards the cliff.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
And what's going to happen when this started kind of stuff gets matched up with psychedelics?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Well, it's not just that.
It's like what happens when this stuff starts running all of our resources, running our economy, running everything.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
Right.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Because that's what's going to happen.
It's going to be our government.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
Well, I mean, right, who is that, the creepy line guy?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Creepyline?
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
There was that documentary, The Creepy Line.
Google's Curated Reality 00:03:29
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
Robert something Malone, I think his name was.
He's an academic.
His point, he went through Google and he goes, look, if I'm Google, right, and I and I or I'm Facebook, and I have people who are like Trump and people who like Hillary.
So if I just put out, hey, you should vote, and send it just to the Hillary people, I'm not on paper endorsing Hillary.
jamie vernon ▲ ● ▼
Robert Epstein.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Robert Epstein's that guy.
Yeah, but I've had that guy on multiple times.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
Right, but then you're going to be getting out that vote in the direction you want.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Well, his concern is Google searches.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
Sure.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
So like if you search Trump, it's all negative stories.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
And you search Hillary's repository.
I've talked to him also about the Facebook stuff.
If you're promoting the one vote and you have this group versus that group, it could nudge it very easily.
Right.
So that technology is already here and been used.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
And been used.
unidentified
Right.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
So that's it.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
That's real election manipulation that's already legal and being used for whatever reason.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
Well, you know what reason.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
But I also, but curated search engines are a real fucking problem if you're hiding certain information.
Like I noticed that during the pandemic, there was a story about a doctor in Florida that got vaccinated and then really quickly afterwards had a stroke and died.
And I read the story and a lot of people were concerned about it.
And then I tried to find it on Google.
I could not find it.
I could not find it.
I looked everywhere.
Then I looked on DuckDuckGo and I found it immediately.
unidentified
Wow.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
And then it was in the first page.
And then somewhere along the line, DuckDuckGo got weird too.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
Oh, Jesus.
Okay.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
So it's like they realize that people are finding things on DuckGo.
And then I believe, is DuckDuckGo curated or did they just have open source?
What are they saying?
And then I started using Brave and Brave was showing me things that other search engines weren't showing me.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
But then on the other hand, you have the problem of is it showing you things that are just not true?
Right, right.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
But I was searching for a very specific story.
I could be speeched.
Right, right.
You're definitely going to get a lot of that, especially if there's like, look, the Hunter Biden laptop story.
They got 51 different former intelligence agents to say that it was Russian disinformation.
Not curated in the sense of building a personalized filter bubble based on user history, but it does curate results by ranking.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
I don't know how you can really avoid that, though.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
That's curating.
Indexing and filtering from hundreds of sources, including Bing.
Bing's not good.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
It has to put things in the middle.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
It has to provide what it deems relevant, what it deems relevant.
Unlike Google, it avoids user tracking and personalization, providing a more neutral, non-personalized search experience, but also curated by ranking.
No user profiling.
It does not store search history.
All I know is that there was a difference in the way it worked for me.
It doesn't mean that it's...
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
There has to be some ranking process.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Yeah.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
It can't just, you know, it's going to have things in order no matter what search engine.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Right, when you're looking for something very specific.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
That is, yeah, that's obviously.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Google would not show me that article.
I put in all the facts that I could not find it.
All it was saying was the benefits of getting the COVID vaccine.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
Has it gotten better or worse?
unidentified
I don't know.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
We don't know.
How would we know?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
I don't know.
I mean, but you should be disturbed at Robert Epstein's work because Robert Epstein's work shows that with just this curated search result, you can shift all these centrist voters, all these middle-of-the-pack voters, these swing voters.
You can shift them by 2%.
I think it's larger.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
And point being Trump 1%.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
It was 9% or something crazy.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
Well, then, let's be conservative, say 2.
Trump by 1.5%.
Why Gun Violence Matters 00:15:41
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
Yeah.
And I don't think things are looking good for the Republicans going forward.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Well, it doesn't look good for the midterms, right?
unidentified
Oh, that's right.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
I mean, this ICE stuff is doing a great job for that because a lot of people are like, hey, we're moving towards fascism.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
And the perception of the economy.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Yeah.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
The thing with the ICE stuff, it's like people, you know, voters can have contradictory perspectives.
Like, they want to get rid of illegal aliens, but don't force them out.
It's like, what are you going to do?
Send them a strongly worded letter?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Well, I think the real problem is they're not willing to address the fact that these are paid protests and agitators.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
Sure.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
And that these people, this is not an organic thing where people are taken to the streets.
They're literally being paid.
These people have come out and said you get X amount of money, you get $100 a day if it's cold out, you get more money.
One of the things people were saying that I don't know if it's true at all was like, this might be horseshit.
They were saying they gave them decibel meters to see how loud they were yelling.
unidentified
Who?
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
Where?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Protesters.
unidentified
Really?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
And they were providing protesters with these decibel meters.
And for them to, or in order to get paid, they had to be yelling at a certain decibel.
I was like, this sounds like disinformation.
Yeah, I feel like.
How much of those things?
How much is a fucking decibel meter?
That sounds like very a problem in terms of like cost.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
Right.
I had that at Selen eBay, right?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Right.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
If I'm a protester.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Thousands of people and you're providing them with these decibel meters.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
I would think.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Yeah.
It sounded like horseshit.
But there's a lot of horseshit out there.
There's a lot of people that they do interviews and they just make up fake stuff just for clickbait.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
But the thing is there, I think people are, I agree with you or like over ice, but it's like, what's your plan B?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Right.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
The amnesty?
Like, if that's your argument, that's fine, but it's just like, it's not a tenable situation.
I mean, look what's going on overseas.
unidentified
Right.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
What are you going to do?
Like, right now, there's a guy who's running against Farage from the right of him.
And it's like, you're going to break up that vote.
Like, it's called Restore Britain.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Oh, what is he saying?
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
He's saying, he's like, Farage is too soft.
We're going to deport them all.
Blah, blah, blah.
It's just like, like, how would, like, fine.
I understand that's your argument.
Literally, how are you going to do that without mass enforcement?
I'm not saying I'm for it or against it.
I'm just saying, what is your plan?
It's not, it's easy to promise.
If I'm in a country that's awesome, I don't want to go back to my shithole.
But I'm going to do whatever I can, legally and sometimes extra-legally, to make sure I'm staying.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Especially people over there that have been encouraged to go there.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
And then they bend the laws in order to kind of hide their crimes.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
Right.
One of the best things that happened to me was December 31st, 2024.
So it was the beginning of 2025.
I was on Twitter and you heard about these grooming gangs overseas.
And even me, who writes a lot about the nature of evil, was naive because when you hear the term grooming, I thought, okay, these high school girls have these boyfriends from different countries and like 30, whatever, and it's gross and whatever.
And then someone posted the receipts of the legal cases.
These were girls, children, eight-year-olds, 10, whatever, being violated and beaten with baseball bats.
They were complaining to police.
The police said everything's fine.
Like really graphic stuff.
And I'm like, how stupid I was to think grooming meant what anyone else thinks of grooming.
These are rape and torture gangs.
And then Elon saw my tweet and he blew a gasket.
And then they kind of talked about it in parliament.
So it was a great way to start 2025.
But like, where is it all going?
You know what I mean?
People are upset, but Kirsteimer's not in jail.
The things he's in trouble for aren't stuff like this.
The entire Labor Party voted against further inquiry.
It's like some of these guys got prison sentences, but they're not anywhere near proportionate.
Why are they still in the UK?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
I just don't understand it.
I just don't understand what's the end game there.
Is it the destruction of the UK?
Like, what's the end game?
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
That's sure what it's, that's sure.
Well, if that isn't their goal, that's sure where they are headed toward.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
If you were trying to destroy the UK, that's how you would do it.
Bring in violent migrants, let them do violent crimes, don't prosecute them, and prosecute people for complaining about it online.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
And don't bring them into your country and kind of assimilate them.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Right.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
Like, encourage them to not assimilate.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Yeah.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
So I was just there in August.
It's bad as people think it is.
It's even worse.
Really?
There was a theater a block away from the House of Parliament, and they were bragging that seeing their shows are safe.
Not fun for the whole family.
Not, you know, oh, this is educational.
You're not going to get murdered if you come to see a play here.
That really shouldn't be a selling point when you're going to the movies or the theater.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
That's crazy.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
Yeah.
And it's only getting worse.
So it's, it's, it's, I don't, and I don't, but here's the other thing.
Let's talk about America, right?
If you want to get rid of all these illegal immigrants, what is your mechanism?
Because if what Trump is doing is too much, there's no the alternative is to make it difficult for them so they remigrate.
But there's plenty of people who would, I can certainly understand it.
I'd rather be an illegal immigrant in America than go back to whatever hellhole.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Right.
jamie vernon ▲ ● ▼
I found the video of talking about decimal meters.
They were fucking around.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
That was a joke.
Okay.
unidentified
Grock says they were satirizing paid protesters with the decimal meters.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Yeah, the decibel meters.
That sounds ridiculous.
jamie vernon ▲ ● ▼
Yeah, the whole thing was fucked.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
It's a joke.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Yeah.
Yeah.
That makes sense.
Because I was like, there's no way.
There's no way they're giving people decibel meters.
But that's also just clickbait.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
What would you do with the illegal immigrants?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
It's a good question.
You know, the real problem is that they let 10 million people plus in over the last four years.
And that's the thing that no one wants to address.
Like, the only reason why there is this problem is because we had a fucking open border for four years where they actually encouraged people to come in and they let in a bunch of violent criminals and people have been killed.
Women have been raped.
Children have been killed.
And they want to hide that data because they don't want to be held responsible for what they did over the last four years.
The fact that that doesn't get the kind of outrage that it should, but then an ICE protester shooting a guy who is armed.
Do you know what really is going on with the gun community about that guy who got that Alex Predi guy?
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
Right.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Do you know the story?
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
Well, I know that what's his name got fired correctly for saying, well, you shouldn't bring guns to fight the police.
And all the QA people are like, are you crazy?
The whole point of the 2A is against the police.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Right.
But that guy, so they disarmed him.
He was carrying a SIG P320.
unidentified
Okay.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
SIG P320s are notorious for accidentally discharging.
It appears, at least in videos that I've seen, and some people seem to verify this, that as one of the officers pulls the gun from him and walks away with it, it accidentally discharges.
They think this guy has a gun still.
They just pulled a gun from sure.
A gun went off.
They think they're in a gunfight.
Everything's happening split second.
They empty on that guy.
The two guys who killed him, both of them Mexican guys.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
Right.
Did you see?
They look at village people.
Did you not see them?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
I didn't see.
They showed their actual faces.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
Oh, yeah, yeah.
It's on my Twitter if you scroll back a few days, Jamie.
They look like I said the village people.
It would look straight at village people.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
But what's crazy is how many Latinos are in ICE.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
Why is that crazy?
Trump got the Latino vote.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Well, it's not just that.
It's like it's a really well-paying job.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
Sure.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
And they give you a big bonus to sign.
I think, what is the bonus when you sign for ICE?
I think it's like a great incentive.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
But here's the thing.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
It raises a lot of money.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
Why that debate drives me crazy.
If there's a hospital, right, and there's a nurse who's killing patients, which happens, that happens.
You have these like black widow situations.
No one's going to say, shut down the hospital or stop medicine.
So even if this was a first-degree murder, let's assume for the sake of argument, that doesn't mean you should abolish ICE.
It just means that guy should go to jail.
Who does one thing have to do with the other?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Look at this.
Signing bonus, $50,000.
$60,000 in student loan repayment up to 25% in premium pay.
I don't know what that means.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
Probably overtime, maybe?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Premium pay?
25%?
What does that mean?
I don't know.
But either way, just the $50,000 bonus.
How many people are willing to take that job just for that?
And then $60,000 in student loan repayments.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
And it's great on your resume.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Yeah, well, you get your student loan paid off and you get a $50,000 bonus.
Holy shit.
Right.
You can get a lot of people to do that.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
And job security.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Yeah.
And you can wear some ass.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
It seems like a job like macho guys would enjoy.
unidentified
Sure.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
And if you're desperate for work and if you can't find work and then all of a sudden this is like an answer to all your financial problems, a lot of people are going to do it.
But again – You're also like very undertrained.
Like they only trained for seven weeks.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
Is that right?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Yeah.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
But what's the answer, though?
No one has an answer.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Right.
That's a good question.
Because, yeah, well, there are a lot of violent criminals in this country that did get in over the last four years that do need to be removed.
So what are you going to do?
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
But what do you do about the nonviolent ones?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Well, here's the thing.
There was an interesting statistic.
I think I sent it to you, Jamie, where they were saying only 14% of these people that they've arrested are violent criminals.
unidentified
Okay.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
But what they didn't say is that 60% of the people that they arrested had criminal history.
And when you say nonviolent, non-violent meaning what?
What about strong-armed robbery?
What about a guy pulls a gun on you?
How are you classifying that?
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
That's got to be violent.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
I bet it's not if you don't cause violence.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
No, there's no way armed robbery isn't a violent crime.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
If you do not cause violence, I wonder if they're categorizing it as violence.
Like if you do not shoot someone, stab someone, beat someone, so you're not convicted of a violent crime, you're convicted of robbery.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
Because they're doing everything in their power to make the gun violence numbers as high as possible.
So if there's any opportunity where a gun is involved, that will be counted as gun violence.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Perhaps, but you could rob people with a knife.
You know, I mean, does that count?
If you pull a knife on someone and you rob them, is that complexity of crime?
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
I bet you it is.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
I wonder.
But either way, the misleading aspect of the article was that only 14% were violent criminals.
But is that okay that the other fucking 46% are breaking into people's houses and robbing cars?
What about that?
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
But what about the 40% who just shouldn't be here?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Right.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
Like, that's the question.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
They all shouldn't be there.
unidentified
Right.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
So what are you going to do?
Right.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Okay.
So here it is.
400,000 ICE arrests in Trump's first year.
About 60% involved individuals with some criminal charges or convictions.
However, only 14% had violent crime records, including as homicide, 2,100 arrests, sexual assault, 5,400.
Robbery, 2,700.
So robbery.
Nearly 40% lacked any criminal record, detained for civil immigration violations.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
Wait, can we skip ahead?
This is what's so shameless.
Arrests for nonviolent issues like DUI.
I'm sorry.
If you're doing DUI, you should be deported.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Right.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
That is a violent crime.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Well, you definitely cause death and destruction.
Drugs, 22,000.
DUI, 30,000.
Outnumber severe violent crimes.
But yeah, but those are fucking bad crimes.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
But I think this kind of is a distraction from.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Yes.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
If you have 10 million people and they're all house homemakers, like let's suppose they're the nicest people ever.
Are you comfortable with them just remaining here?
And I don't think most people are.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
No.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
Then what do you do?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Rand Paul thinks that you should allow them to stay but not give them citizenship.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
See, if birthright citizenship went away, a lot of this would be solved.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Right.
unidentified
Right.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
If like you can't, you're not eligible for welfare, you're manageable for Medicaid.
You could pay your taxes and income, but you're not getting the benefits.
People can understand that argument, maybe.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Especially if you are illegal and then you come here specifically to have a baby and then your baby can stay too.
That's kind of crazy.
That's a crazy law.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
I think we're the only country that has that too.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Yeah.
So China definitely doesn't.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
So, well, I mean, no one's really banging on the door for Chinese citizenship, to be fair.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
That's true.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
Unless you're from North Korea, maybe.
But yeah, so it's.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
It is a problem that doesn't have like a clear-cut solution that would make both sides happy.
That's for damn sure.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
Well, I don't, I think one side is against it entirely, and many Republicans don't think it's worth kind of overturning their whole society to get these 10 million people out.
So what's going to, I mean, if we had 10 million Canadians come to America, that's not going to change the country.
Right.
It makes no sense.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Well, especially 10 million Canadians that could be violent criminals if you just have an open door.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
They're not going to be violent.
They're Canadians.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
There's violent Canadians.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
Sure.
They need to be on the tree, too.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Drinking maple syrup.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
Do you know about my Enslaved Canada plan?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
No.
unidentified
Okay.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
I have the exact numbers.
Hold on here.
So there are, I want to get this exactly right, 41 million Canadians.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Okay.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
Now, let's talk about reparations.
Right?
So if I wreck your truck and your truck is worth $10,000, I got to get you a brand new truck or $10,000.
That's reparations is restored.
How could you have reparations for something as horrific as slavery?
A check's not going to do it because there's no amount of money where I could say, what, you know what, you own my grandma.
It's fine, right?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Right.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
41 million Canadians, they've already demonstrated repeatedly that they don't want freedom through every action that they've taken.
42 million African and black Americans.
So slavery in the South was a horrific blot on America's past.
So the opposite, slavery in the North, would be better.
So we invade and enslave, hashtag enslave Canada, and every African American gets one Canadian, and that's reparations.
And then you never have to hear about slavery or racism again.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
What a great idea.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
And the big names can get the big names.
So like Michelle Obama can get GAD sad, right?
Barack Obama is not African American.
He's African.
You don't get one.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Do you think that's real?
The Kenyan thing?
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
Well, he was of African descent.
His ancestors were never slaves.
So he's not do reparations.
In fact, his ancestors owned slaves.
And so did Kamala Harris's.
Michelle Obama's ancestors were enslaved.
So she gets GAD.
Sorry, GAD.
I'm not kidding.
I think we should do it.
It would solve Canada.
It would solve a racism problem.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Canada just needs to be free.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
They need a better government up there.
That's right.
You know, Trump ruined that.
When he was saying they were going to be our 51st state, he killed the Conservative Party because then everybody sort of united and said, hey, we've got to stop America from trying to turn us into the 51st state.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
This Greenland thing.
Okay.
unidentified
Let's talk about this.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
Okay.
Because I don't know if people know this.
In the first term, we're saying Marie Fredrickson, I think, is the prime minister of Denmark.
They were going to have a meeting, and Trump's like, we want Greenland.
And she's like, oh, you, you know, haha, looking forward to, you know, meeting you, Mr. President.
And on Twitter, he cancels the meeting and goes, since the prime minister doesn't know her place, we're going to have to meet another time.
And she's like, what?
Like, what are you talking about?
And now they're saying you could have Greenland to do anything you want.
You want to dig for the minerals?
Please bring industry there.
Nope.
We need to own Greenland.
And they don't know.
And I don't know what to make of his.
Someone I saw on social media thinks he must be on the spectrum because he's so fixated on this thing that no one who's neurotypical has this kind of fixation.
But what do you make of this whole Greenland thing?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
I don't understand it.
U.S. Claims on Greenland 00:02:12
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Do you know they offered us Greenland in the 1920s?
unidentified
Right.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
Okay.
Yeah.
unidentified
Yeah.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
But was it too much money or something?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
How much was it?
How much do they offer us Greenland for?
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
But I don't blame them for being like, what is going on?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
It is crazy.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
Right.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
So Denmark owns Greenland.
Who's closer?
Denmark or the United States?
We're closer to Greenland.
We should have it.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
Shouldn't Canada have it then?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
No, fuck them.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
This is what it must be like in Denmark right now.
They're like, what do we say?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Okay, did not offer himself to the United States in the 1920s.
U.S. expressed interest in acquiring or basing in Greenland during that decade, but no formal offer came from Denmark.
I thought there was negotiation.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
That's what it's saying, yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Okay.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
A land swap idea.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Okay.
For the U.S. Virgin Islands for $25 million.
The U.S. bought the Danish West Indies, now U.S. Virgin Islands, for $25 million.
What a deal.
But affirm Danish sovereignty over Greenland.
1920s, U.S. Army General Billy Mitchell advocated for American air bases on Greenland and Iceland to expand air power, viewing them as strategically vital amid advancing technology.
No purchase or secession offer emerged from Denmark.
U.S. interests remained internal military advocacy without diplomatic action from Copenhagen.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
We just got to give him a swap.
We get Greenland, you get Puerto Rico.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
So in 1947, go back to that?
1947, President Truman proposed $100 million in gold for Greenland.
Rejected by Denmark amid Cold War tensions, U.S. gained defense rights via 1941 agreement during World War II occupation of Denmark.
How interesting is that?
Like, we've been interested in Greenland forever.
Oh, it's right there.
That's ours.
We should take it.
jamie vernon ▲ ● ▼
It's that fast, fast route to Russia.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
Well, yeah, because you have those straits on both sides.
But the thing is, they're already saying you could do whatever you want.
Like, take a dump on it.
We don't care.
Like, we're happy to exploit it, please.
And he's like, nope, we got to own it.
It's like, but why?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
I guess he got it in his head that he could make it happen.
Venezuela's Oil Regime Change 00:09:14
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
But this is really, like, I don't, the thing is, they're getting freaked out in Europe, not because he's being disaggressive, I think, not just, but also because it's like, what are we missing?
Like, you and I, like, what are we missing here?
Like, what about Greenland owning it change when you could do whatever you like, put more bases?
We love it.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
I don't know, man.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
You've hung out with him.
What's he like?
Does he have a screw-loose?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
It's hard to say.
I mean, I think anybody who wants to be president has a screw loose.
And anybody who went through that guy, what that guy did.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
Sure, of course.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
What he went through over the last four years when Biden was in office, we were trying to lock him out.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
What about what he was president, what they went through?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Yeah, the Russian gate stuff.
Yeah, all that stuff.
It's kind of crazy.
You would have to have a little bit of a screw rules.
And now I think he's on a victory lap for sure.
But he also wants to get a lot of stuff done because he knows he only has one term.
And I think the Greenland thing, I understand the strategic implications why you would want that.
But I don't understand why you wouldn't just accept a deal.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
Right.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Well, we could have bases there and you're not going to be able to do that.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
We have bases there already.
And we do whatever we want.
Here's the other thing.
This is the other one that I don't understand.
We go to Venezuela.
We basically teleport Maduro out.
Obviously, there was some kind of inside information or whatever, who knows.
And then everyone just stops talking about it.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
I know, right?
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
It's just like...
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Well, the news cycle's crazy, right?
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
But what is going on in Venezuela?
Did they change the government?
I don't think they did.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
They didn't change the government, but they got rid of the one guy that was a resistance.
And a lot of people, like Kurt Metzger, thinks that what's going to happen is during the trial, they're going to reveal that Maduro was involved in rigging the 2020 election.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
He's American 2020?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Yes.
Because there is some sort of a connection with Venezuela and the 2020 election and the voting machines.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
Wait, okay.
I love Kurt.
I was one of the people at his birthday party.
When I say I love him, I mean, ironically and non-ironically, I think he's the best.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
I love him too.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
I don't see any route where they would need the theater of a trial to release this sort of information.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Right.
I agree.
But I think that having him in America and making a deal with him, look, bitch, we already kidnapped you.
We killed all your guards.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
I think he's, if I can get out Kurt Kurt, I would bet this, I would bet a lot of money.
I would not be surprised.
I'm not going to bet.
That he's, this is already a deal.
That they told him, either you come to jail with us, wink, wink, or we'll take you out.
And he's like, you're not fine.
I'll retire to America.
That would make more sense to me.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
They did some wild stuff over there.
Like, they used some sound weapon to incapacitate everybody, and they went in and executed them all.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
Is that all?
How much of that's going to be?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Not a single U.S. soldier was shot.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
Right.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
And everybody was down.
Like, the people that are talking about it that were on the ground saying it was crazy.
They shut off all the power.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
They shut off all the radar systems.
And then all of a sudden, fucking helicopters, drones, everything was there.
This sound weapon was used.
Everybody was incapacitated.
They came in, gunned down.
Like, how many people did they kill?
I forget how many people.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
It was 100, wasn't it?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
They killed a lot of people.
But they killed him with no resistance.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
But I thought it was very clear that we had some kind of inside information.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
I'm sure we had that as well.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
Yeah, someone on the inside was like working with us in terms of where he is.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
I'm sure there was that as well.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
But there was this photo of him getting arrested.
I thought it was AI because it looks so crazy and ridiculous.
And if I went a year ago and said Trump's going to arrest Maduro, and I'm like, arrest him for what?
It's just, like, I don't know what's real anymore.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Right.
jamie vernon ▲ ● ▼
Here's an article from The Guardian from November 2025.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Okay.
Trump's DOJ investigating unfounded claims.
Venezuela helped steal 2020 election.
Like, so how do you know it's unfounded until you investigate?
This is these fuckers.
jamie vernon ▲ ● ▼
Let me skip ahead.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
The Guardian's pretty bad with that kind of stuff.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Yeah, they're gross.
jamie vernon ▲ ● ▼
This stuff is where it's interesting because this guy works for the CIA, I think, and he has a quote down here where he says he doesn't deal with bullshit.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
I don't dabble.
Well, he thinks it's bullshit?
jamie vernon ▲ ● ▼
Well, I was just trying to have you read it.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
Yeah, he says, I don't dabble in conspiracy theories.
unidentified
Hmm.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
I'm sure you don't.
You're in the CIA?
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
Right.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
We don't dabble.
We make them.
Okay.
Who knows?
This is what Kurt believes.
This is not my theory.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
Keep scrolling down.
I want to see what he's saying that Venezuela did.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Yeah, what is the accusation?
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
Yeah, keep scrolling down.
I'm going to see there's nothing about what they did.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Well, that would be contributing to the conspiracy.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
Yeah, I guess.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Mr. Malice.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
They don't want to do that in The Guardian.
Who knows?
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
Why would they need Venezuela?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
We'll find out.
Another awesome chapter of Game of Thrones.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
I mean, I still don't understand.
A lot of people are butthurt correctly that we shouldn't be doing regime change, but the regime didn't change.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Right.
We just got rid of one guy and kidnapped him and brought him to America.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
But like, if you get rid of Trump, Vance becomes president.
You're not changing the government at all.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Right.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
So like, what are we doing here?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
I don't know.
jamie vernon ▲ ● ▼
Here's a discussion in the Journal of Democracy about how Maduro stole Venezuela's vote.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
That is very widely accepted as realistic.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Right.
jamie vernon ▲ ● ▼
That is, I'm seeing these keywords that are popping out as the same stuff I'm hearing in our election dispute.
Ballot receipts, people checking voter polls.
Later that evening, people saying that that's not what I did.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
It's a lot.
Right.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
The other question is, what's going on with Iran?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Well, it looks like we're about to go in.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
Are we?
Are you sure?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Well, they're preparing.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
But I mean, that's always great to shake your head.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Shadow saber rattling.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
So it's like, like, it's, I feel, I feel like all of us are like looking around being like, what's what the fuck is going on?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Yeah, every day.
Every day is what the fuck is going on.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
Right.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
And you're just trying to like live a normal life.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
Yes.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Which is what everybody really wants, but they're preventing you from doing that with constantly being assaulted by new information that scares the shit out of you.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
And it's also, there's no context for us to understand this.
Like we understand the Saddam situation, right?
You go in, you conquer a country, kill a lot of people.
It's a nightmare bloodbath that was unnecessary.
Saddam gets hanged.
We know that story.
Like we're just going to come in, pull out one guy who's the president and leave and his wife and everything will go back.
It's just like I remember the Democrats are like, what do we say to this?
This has never happened before.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Yeah, I don't know, man.
I'm just overwhelmed.
I think I share the feeling that most Americans have right now.
We're just every day you're like, what the fuck is going on?
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
But I feel like it's escalating.
Wasn't this crazy during his first term?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
No, no, no.
The world is escalating.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
Yes.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
What is this?
Venezuelan oil gets shipped to Israel for the first time in years.
Oh, boy.
jamie vernon ▲ ● ▼
That happened last week.
So I'm just looking up, we assumed control of the country, I think, and so on.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
Did we?
I think we got their oil, right?
jamie vernon ▲ ● ▼
They've found a better way to have people run it, but I don't know that.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Well, that was the other thing that Trump said.
What are you going to do with the oil tanker?
We're going to keep it.
unidentified
Yeah.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
It's like, what?
Like, how do we get to do this?
Like, if you were.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
They're sending the oil to Israel.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
So Venezuela is saying it's fake.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Venezuela plans to send its first shipment of crude oil to Israel in 17 years, part of opening up the country's exports following the U.S. abduction of President Nicholas Maduro.
jamie vernon ▲ ● ▼
I did have to go to probably not a great source, the Middle East.
I don't know.
Well, Bloomberg's a rep. That's the one I couldn't get past the U.S.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
But it seems like it's the same story.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
Jerusalem Post, yeah, they're not going to be lying about this stuff.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
First shipment to Israel.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
Well, I think all they're saying is they've restored relations between Venezuela and Israel.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Well, they probably control relations now.
It's essentially the U.S. is probably in control of their oil distribution.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
Oh, I think that's explicit, isn't it?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
yeah but it's still like well that was the other thing is bringing in all these companies They're all going to do it.
But apparently, their oil is very difficult to acquire.
Yeah, their oil is not like simple, like Texas oil, dig a hole in the ground, pull it out.
It's like, it's all, it has to be processed with all these chemicals.
It's apparently like the consistency of asphalt.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
Okay.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
And it has to be broken down.
It's very expensive.
This is why, was it the CEO of Exxon?
One of the companies said that it would never work.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
Oh.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Yeah, that the infrastructure is not in place.
You know, and then Trump was upset at him for being a negative dance.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
I just, I think anytime you start to chat.
Did you really?
Whenever you start talking about regime change, that's something that's very scary historically.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
And always turns bad.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Like Libya and all these other places.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Iraq.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
All this.
So it's just like never good.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
Like, yeah, but then at the same time, we're like, what do we, what do we do?
Like, what's plan B?
Gavin Newsom?
Do you know what I mean?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
What's he going to do?
unidentified
Right, whatever.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Senior Trump administration officials have vowed to maintain control over Venezuelan oil experts for an indefinite period.
Indefinite.
Harvey Wrote a Book 00:05:26
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
It's weird.
In quotes.
Secretary of State Marco Rubio claiming that the Venezuelan acting government headed by Del C. Rodriguez needs to submit a budget request before accessing the country's oil proceeds.
unidentified
Whoa.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
So we just took over Venezuela, essentially.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
Yeah.
No, we just took over their oil.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Yeah, but also the country.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
It's like the people still being oppressed as hell.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Yeah, but the government essentially is like we're running that government.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
I don't think we are though.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
We probably tell them what they can and can't do.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
No, I think that's the thing that they're still.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
It's just the oil.
unidentified
Right.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
Can I talk about something fun?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Yeah.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
I am finishing a project I've been working on for 25 years.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Whoa.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
Yeah.
So I'm excited to talk to you about it.
unidentified
What is it?
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
So there was this band from the 80s who were called Rubber Rodeo that combined punk and country.
Right.
And I was looking at this compilation that I got in 1994.
I sent Jamie the picture.
And I was staring at this photo trying to make heads or tails of this band because can you pull it up?
You'll show you the photo.
You'll see what I mean by it.
Because there are a bunch of kids in these like kind of square dancing uniforms with no affect on their face whatsoever.
And the singer, she's in this Dolly Parton wig and this big square dancing dress and just staring right at the viewer.
I'm like, are they joking?
Like, what's up with these people?
And I met them and they were art school kids.
They were not joking.
They were, there it is, that photo.
So you see, I'm stare.
I'm like, are they kidding?
Are they not kidding that?
Her name's Trish.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
And this is from the 80s.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
This is from the 80s.
They got signed the same day as Bon Jovi by the same guy.
And he said, I'm taking you both to number one.
So I wrote a screenplay about them because it's kind of like a spinal tap story because they're on stage at punk clubs doing jokes like, hey, Bob, I'm exhausted.
Why are you exhausted, Bob?
Oh, the couple in the next hotel room were up all night eating candy bars.
Candy bars.
Yeah, she kept yelling, oh, Henry, oh, Henry, right?
So it's this complete, like, what are you even doing here?
But the guy who did the keyboards for the band did the animation for American Splendor.
And through him, I met Harvey Picar, who later wrote a book about me in 2006.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Is he that guy that went nuts on Letterman?
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
I'm so glad you know who Harvey is.
unidentified
Yeah.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
So Harvey started the idea.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
He's a comic book guy, right?
unidentified
Right.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
He started the idea of writing autobiographical comics in the 70s.
From off the streets of Cleveland, Here Comes American Splendor.
It's an ironic title because his life was not exactly very splendid.
He was a file clerk, kind of a miserable person.
He hated being called a curmudgeon.
And amazingly, when the film came out in 2000 and was it 2000?
I think it was something like that.
2001.
He flew back to New York to do Stern.
And the producer of the film, Ted Hope, sent out an email that said, Harvey's in town with nothing to do.
If you want to hang out with him, this is your chance.
And I'm the only person who took him up on it.
And I go there and he's on his bed.
And he, spoiler alert, he died in 2010 on my birthday, which was not a fun email to get.
Anyway, and he's like, he's, yeah, he's got this really weird way of talking.
He's like, I'm really fucked up, man.
And I point out to him, since everything in his life was a disaster, his movie got a wide release the weekend of the blackout.
There was this big fucking black guy.
He's like, oh, God damn it.
And that was the weekend I had a fish tank.
And I'm trying to keep them alive with no electricity.
And it did not work out.
So he wrote a book about me.
And that screenplay fell by the wayside.
But because it's kind of like Spinal Tap, you know, it's this kind of funny story about, you know, when you're young and anyone out there who's listening to this, when you're young, go for it.
Be stupid.
If you're going to fail, it's okay.
It's still something exciting to try and to do, which they certainly did.
And now I'm like, wait a minute, this converts to a graphic novel very easily.
There's a guy named Eric July who has this whole kind of empire.
He did a Kickstarter.
He made like a million for his first one.
It's called The Ripper Verse.
And now they're at a point where you don't have to go through DC or Marvel to produce your product.
So I'm super excited about it.
Again, I started this in 2000.
And now it's finally 26 years later coming to fruition.
So unwantedbook.com.
unidentified
All right.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
I'm just really kind of, it's very intense.
Because here's the other thing.
I was at Gold's and I had basically what was the opposite of a nervous breakdown where all the parts of my brain slid into place where I realized this story I wrote in 2001, what happens if you do all these things, try to be original and go nowhere.
Like those are my fears when I was starting out.
What if I end up like them, have nothing to show for it?
And 25 years later, that experiment's been run.
You know, I could pay my rent as a kind of creative person.
And if they were around today, they could probably pay the rent because it's much easier as a band to kind of build an audience.
But it's a very funny story, but it's also a very dark one.
And it's largely true.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
All right.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
So I'm just stoked that I guess.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Ended on the happy note.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Thanks, buddy.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
Thank you.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Always good to see you.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
Always a pleasure.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Congratulations on the face pink.
michael malice ▲ ● ▼
I'll wait to listen to the next one.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼
Oh, no.
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