The Joe Rogan Experience - Joe Rogan Experience #2435 - Bradley Cooper

Jan. 9, 2026 - The Joe Rogan Experience

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Joe Rogan Experience #2435 - Bradley Cooper

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Bradley Cooper dives into Kill Tony, calling it a raw portrayal of stand-up comedy’s supportive culture, contrasting 1990s cutthroat Hollywood with today’s collaborative ethos. He details his method acting for Chris Kyle in American Sniper—gaining 53 pounds, studying sniping at Disney Ranch, and maintaining the character’s voice daily—while Rogan compares it to Christian Bale’s immersive roles. They debate AI’s impact on art and connection, citing CES sex robots and Avatar Depression, but agree human creativity and purpose endure. Cooper’s obsession with characters like Joseph Merrick fuels his work, while Rogan praises the podcast’s evolving, unfiltered conversations as a way to build understanding through shared struggles. Cooper’s new film drops tomorrow. [Automatically generated summary]
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bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		Joe Rogan podcast, check it out!
unidentified		The Joe Rogan experience.
		Train by day, Joe Rogan, podcast by night, all day.
		Hey, Bradley Cooper, what's happening, baby?
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		You know what it's like when like a Twilight Zone episode or something?
		Where like you're watching the TV?
		This is an episode where I'm watching the TV and all of a sudden you're inside and you're looking at me.
		Yeah, and all of a sudden I'm inside the show.
		It's crazy.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		It's weird for me, too.
		It's weird for me that it gets weird for other people too.
		Like when I see people being weird about it, I'm like, it's okay.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		I feel comfortable just saying that.
unidentified		Oh, good.
unidentified		You look comfortable.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		No, no, no.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		But it's excitement.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		It's weird for me.
		Like, I was trying to explain this to someone.
		They're like, do people have a hard time being comfortable on the show?
		I go, I kind of do, too.
		It's fucking weird.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		It's weird that that many people are watching.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		And then you start thinking, like, oh, don't fuck it up.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Don't say that.
unidentified		Right.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		But if you think about it, the fact that you did this long form setup and that we live in a culture where people at least say that it's all about short-term.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		It goes against it.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		The people are interested.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		Well, the short-term stuff does work.
		You know, like short attention span stuff is very popular, even with me.
		But I have been resisting it more and more lately.
		I'm like a fucking heroin addict, like slowly weaning myself off the drug.
		And the more I wean myself, the better I feel, like physically better.
		My brain works better.
		I feel more relaxed.
		I don't feel like this, like Sugar Sean O'Malley, the UC fighter, he said, even when I'm just scrolling, even if it's not anything about me, he goes, there's just like a low-level anxiety that I get.
		I'm like, yeah, yeah, because like you know, you're wasting your time chasing a fix that you're never going to get.
		And you're just like getting these short drips of like, oh, look at that.
		Oh, look at that.
		Oh, scroll, scroll, scroll, scroll.
		But that's not what people really want.
		What people really want is something engaging.
		Something you go, wow, that's like a great documentary, like, which are still super popular.
		Like a great documentary, they're still, you know, like huge on Netflix and huge on YouTube.
unidentified		So this is.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		The Oppenheimer was like three hours long.
unidentified		Exactly.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		It was like $10 billion.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		So people went.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Humans didn't change.
		It's just you can hijack the reward system by giving them some short attention span nonsense.
		And it just like tricks their slow drip dopamine into like continuing to watch this stupid shit.
		But that's not what they want.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		No.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		You know, it's not what I want.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		It's a difference between like, yeah, just a little drip of something that has the illusion that I'm getting what I want as opposed to what I actually need, which is sort of a reminder that I exist.
unidentified		Yes.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		And that I'm communicating with somebody and I can relate to it.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		Which is a different thing.
		And I only know this because I've never been on social media, but sometimes there was one time I got on, somehow got on TikTok and it was all police footage.
		You know, like, and I was just, I remember laying on my couch, 40 minutes went by, and I was just doing this.
		And it was like the first part of the video.
		And then what happened?
		And then like the second part, part two.
		And that was the only time I experienced, I thought, I got to stay away from this because I won't leave the house.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		It's bad.
		It's bad for you, too, because it programs you to think that that is going on everywhere in the world.
		Like if you have 8 billion people that are interacting with people all over the world and you only take the worst examples of that and broadcast it, and then it becomes viral and millions and millions of people think it rewires your way you think about human beings.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		And the other thing is about memory.
		Someone was talking about Niagara Falls the other day.
		And I thought, I've been there, right?
		And I'm like, have I been there?
		Or did I see a video?
		Or was that one of the things when I put the Oculus on?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Right, right.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		Honestly, I can't remember, but I know what it feels like to be looking at it.
unidentified		Oh, yeah.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		So it's changing the way memory works.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		100%.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I've come, I've hit a wall in my memory, like a tangible wall, because, and I think it's connected to like Dunbar's number.
		Like Dunbar's number is the amount of people that you can keep in your head.
		Like because we evolved in these tribal scenarios.
		We evolved with like 150 people.
		And so the way Dunbar calculated it, there's like very close, intimate, close circle people, which is a small amount.
		And then immediately after that, there's a slightly larger amount.
		And then it gets up to, what was it, like it gets up to like a thousand people?
unidentified		1,500.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		1,500 people.
		That's the most amount of people you can keep in your head.
		So it's like five people that like your tightest of tight.
		And then 15, like slightly outside of that.
		And it gets all the way up to about 1,500 people, recognizable people.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		I would think I'd be able to.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		That you could keep in your head.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		But I'm way past 1,500 people.
		So I'm fucked.
		Right.
		Like, I am like, there's people that I know really well.
		And then I see them and I'm like, I don't remember his name.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		1,500 sounds good.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		And it seems bad.
		I'm like, why can't I remember his fucking name?
		I can't remember his name.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		I'm horrible with names.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		But it's just because my hard drive sucks.
		It's like I don't have enough room.
		It's like, you know, when you, the old iPhones, it's like, you've run out of max space.
		Like, oh, geez, I got to start deleting photos and videos.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		Now, do you get anxiety with that?
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		Or do you sort of breathe through and say, well, it's just the way it is?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I kind of just deal with it.
		It is what it is.
		But my memory itself is like very good and also very bad at the same time.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, me too.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		I have a serious problem remembering people's names.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Well, you think about how many people.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		Like as I was saying it, I was like, and I've watched this show so many times.
		I was like, Jamie, right, that's Jamie.
		Like as you were saying, I remember, do I remember any of the guys I just met?
		I can't tell you one.
		I just met them, shook their hand, looked them in their eyes.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		They say their names, and it just goes in and out.
		And some people get upset.
		What's my name?
		I'm like, I don't fucking know.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		Oh, you don't remember me?
		I'm like, you don't remember?
		What's my name?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		And you're like, well, that's why in Hollywood, people love to say, good to see you instead of nice to meet you.
		Like, but you met me two years ago.
		Like, I don't remember.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, Leonard Bernstein had a great thing that he would always be about.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		I loved you in the last thing you did.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		That's funny.
		That's funny.
		Speaking of which, I watched your movie.
		Is this thing on?
		And it's good.
		It's really good, man.
		It's one of the best representations of someone attempting to do stand-up.
		It's a really good film.
		But it's not really just about stand-up.
		It's about these people with this.
		It's about they're actual human beings.
		Like, these are complicated, real, like, not caricaturish, not cartoonish people.
		Like, I get that these are real people.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		Right, good.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Complicated, real people that are trying to figure out their relationships in the context of this one guy, Will Arnett, is attempting to do stand-up.
unidentified		Right.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		So it was great.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		I'm glad you say that.
		So you feel, because, you know, I moved to New York in 97.
		And then that was my introduction to any comedy world.
		Other than with my dad, I used to watch Ronnie Dangerfield New Year's Eve special.
		We used to watch it every year, you know, and it was Elaine Boozler and Sam Kinnison and Dice.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Elaine Boosler, I forgot about her.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		I'm pretty sure she was on there.
		Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
		And I was obsessed with Dice when I was like in eighth grade.
		I memorized one of his records and I would do it in the train station with all my friends.
		Because back then that's all you did, right?
		You would memorize stuff.
unidentified		Oh, yeah.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		There was no video to look at.
		You know, you wouldn't all sit around.
		You would just memorize and then regale your friends with your impersonation of him.
		And then, and Richard Pryor was my hero, hero growing up.
		That was my idol.
		So, I had this thing with stand-up comedy, and then I moved to New York, and I'm all of a sudden immersed with these clubs.
		And Upright Citizens Brigade had just started.
		And I did this movie, What Hot American Summer?
		And there was all these people.
		I didn't even know about the state.
		Remember that show on MTV?
		There was a story.
unidentified		Uh-huh.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, all this.
		And so I just, you know, little by little, immersed myself into that world.
		And I just became fascinated with the culture.
		And then Zach Alifanakis, who I met like in 2001, way before Hangover, I used to go and watch him do stuff.
		And I just love the culture.
		And when Will was telling me about this, I was like, oh, let's set it in New York and the cellar.
		Because I just love the geography of the cellar, too.
		That you go in the olive tree and you walk down into this place.
		It's this whole other world.
		And it just felt like, yeah, I really wanted, like, can we pull this off where it's authentic, where you were watching it at home and you get a sense.
		So the fact that you're saying that you feel like it got it, you know, within the striking distance makes me really happy.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it's striking distance.
		It's like one of the only films.
		Punchline was an interesting film, the Tom Hanks Sally Fields.
		Yeah, of course.
		But it was bullshit.
		Like you watch it, like, what?
		They have lockers.
		Like, what the fuck is this?
		And also, the comedy wasn't good.
		It wasn't real comedy.
		It was like, it felt flat and fake, and people were laughing at nothing.
		The Will stuff felt real.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		It felt real.
		You know, like the clubs felt with a guy trying to work out what it's like to be on stage, an open mic.
		And then the fact you got Jordan Jensen in, who I love.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, of course.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		She was fucking great.
		I texted her afterwards.
		I'm like, isn't she great in the movie?
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		She's great.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		I mean, the minute I started shooting her, I was like, oh, wait a second.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		It was like, and the first thing I saw with her was one of her sets.
		And I was just up there with the camera and I came around and her profile.
		And actually, I felt like I was in the stars born.
		She looked a lot like Gaga and Alley, like singing shallow.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Oh, wow.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		And I had like this weird moment.
		I was like, whoa.
		And then she was just incredible.
		And then as it went on, she had a larger part of the movie.
		And then that whole thing when they're talking about the small penis, and we go up to her and just her writing that down.
		And she was just so fluid.
		And I was like, oh, yeah, she's got it, man.
		She's got it.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		She's great.
		She's really great.
		She's a really unique person.
		Like, a very unusual person.
		Like, even just talking to her on a podcast.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		We're up on a farm with two moms.
unidentified		Yeah.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		Amazing.
		Yeah.
		She could do anything.
unidentified		I know.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		And she's so fun.
		She's fun on stage, too.
		Like, she's great.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		Very proud.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Very, very smart.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		Very smart.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		But, like, her character, like the way she interacts, I'm like, oh, that's so realistic.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Like, we should fuck.
unidentified		Exactly.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, exactly.
		And then you go back to like East Village or Chinatown apartment.
		You know, they live in it's all one room.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I believe it.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, me too.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		It was great.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		It's, it's like, you know, you're never going to really capture stand-up in a movie because it's like to capture what it is, you would need like years.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		And also, you would need a movie dedicated to it.
unidentified		Exactly.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		The movie's not dedicated to it.
unidentified		Exactly.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		Do you know what I mean?
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		It was just about, can I make you feel like you're there that you're with him on stage?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		That's what that could be like.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		You know, the silence and then the cameras.
		Boom.
		There's nowhere to go.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		How did you work out the stand-up scenes?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Did you have real audiences?
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		And there were just real audiences because you have to hit the quota of extras with sag and all that.
		But we try to do it as authentic as possible, which was everybody that works at the cellar, they're there in the movie.
		Everybody who agreed to do it.
		So all the waiters and everything, the staff, that's all people that work there.
		Liz, who's the manager, who plays the manager, she's the manager of the seller.
		So all those people are real.
		But then the patrons, I can't remember what the email was or what the ask was, but like people who like to go to stand-up comedy, who go regularly.
		And then once they were there, I never told them what was going to happen.
		I never directed them once.
		It was like whatever they're laughing at, that's it.
		And I don't do many takes.
		So you're getting an authentic reaction.
		Now it's hyped up because there's cameras there and it's a movie, but they're not told what to do.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		It feels like that.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		And so, and even in the mix, like we never added anything.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		There was no added laugh, nothing.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Oh, that's great.
unidentified		Yeah, yeah.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		It's all because I was like, it's just got to be real.
		Because I wanted Will to just, you know, I just don't want him to act.
		Right.
		I just want him to.
		And that's why, you know, Shane Gillis was kind enough.
		The first time he went up was here at the mothership.
		Shane gave him four minutes of his set.
		And he and I, and Will and I flew to Austin and we were sitting in the green room.
		And Shane was like an hour and a half late.
		And Tony was there.
		And he was so nice.
		I'd never met Tony before.
		And that's where I smelled the thing.
		You know, I did this.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Oh, it smells like awesome.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		Fuck me.
		That shit is no joke.
		Yeah.
		And that was the first time Will ever went up.
		And we were just trying some of that material and went up as Alex Novak.
		Because I was like, when do you have an opportunity as an actor to actually do the thing you're preparing to do?
unidentified		Right.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		And like, think about how much that would cost.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		Like, you can go into a room where there's real people.
unidentified		Right.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		It's all, and then every step that you're taking, you're in a club.
		So he did that.
		And then when we went back to New York, he did it like three times a week, four or five times a night for like six weeks.
unidentified		Wow.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		Just so he could understand what it's like.
		And some people didn't know who he was.
		You know, you get a lot of tourists coming to New York City, and there were nights where you knew that he, when he said Alex Novak, they're like, cool.
unidentified		Right.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		Not like you're not Alex Novak.
unidentified		Right.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		You know, okay, let's see what you got.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		And so that was really, that was really great.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		How did you, who wrote this film?
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		He wrote it with this guy, Mark Chappell.
		It was a movie that was more about his, based on this guy, John Bishop, who's a real comedian, is a very successful comedian in the UK.
		And he, Will met that guy on a barge somewhere, and he was talking about his story.
		And he was like, yeah, I was doing something else.
		My wife and I were breaking up and I walked into a bar, a pub one night.
		I didn't want to pay the cover.
		That really happened to this guy.
		So he put his name down and I called him.
		And then he was like, yeah, I'm getting a divorce and got a couple chuckles, but he just loved it.
		Never done comedy, nothing before that.
		And he kept going back and he was obsessed by it.
		And then like weeks later, his estranged wife walked into a place he was doing an open mic at with her girlfriends and he was doing a set about their relationship.
		So that actually happened.
		Wow.
unidentified		I know.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		And then they got back together and they're still together.
		And then now he like he tours around the world.
		Like he makes a living as a comedian.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		That's incredible.
unidentified		Yeah.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		So when he was telling me that, I was doing another movie and I remember I was like, what are you working on?
		Because we've been friends for like 25 years.
		And he was telling me that and I was like, I just imagine Will, because I know him so well and he's so charismatic and funny and just has this presence that is kind of lacking.
		I don't feel like there's like a male archetype now that fits him.
		He's like, he's like Robert Mitchum.
		He reminds me like a young Robert Mitchum Willarnet.
		And he's telling me that I'm like his voice and like that face, stand-up comedy.
		I just couldn't get it out of my head, Joe.
		And I was like, hey, man, can I read it?
		Like, how far along are you guys?
		And I read it and I was like, I didn't quite, because like you, I had never seen a movie that I thought nailed it.
		And I love stand-up comedy so much.
		I was like, and I have no desire to try to redo it.
		And also, comedy is so massive right now.
		And the specials are so great and cinematic right now that there's no reason to try to make a fictional movie about something that we can watch as a documentary or a docuseries or a show that is authentic.
		I was like, so, but I still would really love to capture it cinematically.
		So what if it's a foil and the movie's about the two of them?
		That's interesting.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		And you suck.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Well, that was one of the great scenes where Jordan was like, you bad, you're really bad.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		And it's much more about just what stand-up comedy, with anything.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		And you talk about this on your show, doing anything that puts you out of your comfort zone.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		Anything that pushes you, you're going to improve as a human being.
		That was really what that whole thing is about.
		And I just love the culture and the world.
		And I thought there's so much tangible stuff there for me to get excited about cinematically and story-wise.
		But really, it's like it could have been anything.
		Just something that he had never done that had he had puts himself out there.
		And that in doing it and doing it, he just sort of gets more comfortable.
		And then the mic comes off the stand and then he's leaning against the wall.
		And by the end of it, and then the way it was structured, it allows him to do that vampire set at the end of the movie where all he's doing is exercising what he's feeling emotionally because he's comfortable in this setting.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		Because the old him, when he has that fight with her in the attic, he just would have kept that all inside and he would have been canatonic at his kids' assembly where we meet him in the beginning of the movie because you just don't know what to do with all that.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		But if you have an outlet, something expressive, you can exercise it in a healthy way.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		So that really was the point of that whole part of it being stand-up comedy and open mic.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		What you really nailed is someone trying it for the first time.
		You guys really nailed that.
		You really nailed a beginner in comedy.
		Like it seemed completely realistic.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		Great.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		And I think that's one of the reasons why Kill Tony is so popular.
unidentified		Yes.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		You know, because you get to see that raw reality of someone who has never done stand-up before.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Like there were people that went up at Madison Square Garden in front of 16,000 people that had never done stand-up before.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		No, no, no.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Don't do that.
		You should be in a fucking smoky room.
		Well, not smokey anymore, but a tiny fucking room where of disinterested people where everyone's bombing and you bomb to it.
		It's not that big a deal.
		Because you might have some potential.
		But if you fucking bomb in front of 16,000 people, the pain of that, you may never recover.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		Also, just think about the audio, like, because you're going to hear your voice through the, you know, echoing.
		It can't be just an, like, so there.
		I imagine there's an echo.
		So you're not only bombing, but you're hearing it reverberate.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		You don't really feel the echo.
		You don't hear the echo because you have monitors on stage.
		So it's good to see you pretty flat.
		Okay.
		But the noise of your voice where you've never heard your voice into a microphone before ever.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		Right.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		And now you're in front of 16,000 people doing it.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		And then Tony's sitting there looking at you and Shane's there and I'm there.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		It's like a nightmare.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		It's like you're walking into a nightmare.
unidentified		Well, what?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Just doing stand-up in front of a guy like Shane Gillis is crazy.
		He's sitting right next to you.
		You've never done stand-up.
		You're going to do stand-up right next to a guy who's selling out arenas.
		Like that's nuts.
		That feeling is nuts.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		But it's wonderful to watch because you're watching authentic reactions happening in real time.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
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bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it's true.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		It's just that we, I think human beings really love seeing what it's like when someone starts out doing something because a lot of people have these ideas like, oh, maybe I could try that.
		Or maybe I could learn how to play guitar.
		Or maybe I could do that.
		But it's just the getting going and sucking at something in the beginning.
		It's terrifying for people.
		So when they see someone, just try it.
		I think they're like, oh, look at him.
unidentified		Go.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Look at him.
		He's out there doing it.
		He's on the bike.
		He's moving.
		You know, it's like you see actual people that are trying to do something that they've never done before.
		And it's exciting.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		And also, the one thing I wanted to touch on is the craft of it all.
		You know, that it's, that it takes a lot of work.
		I know that it's not, you know, just, you know, the writing.
		You know, she says that one point, she's like, you got to write, you know, keep going up.
		And I think most people, at least I didn't know before I started going, that people go up three or four times a night.
		Like I didn't understand.
		And so that was something I thought it was important to convey.
		Just the work ethic that's needed.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Well, New York is really great for that.
		And it's always had a culture of that.
		It's had a culture of guys hopping from club to club and doing set to set because there's so many clubs in Manhattan.
		So guys would just, you know, I think the most guy, I ever heard one guy did eight or nine sets a night.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		Wow.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Like they're just like, that's how many clubs there are.
		You just hop all over the place.
		You start your night at like 8 p.m.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, downtown, there's a ton downtown.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		Then you can go uptown.
unidentified		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		You go all over the place.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		It's, we've got a lot of that here now because there's so many clubs in Austin now.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		I mean, we went there.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		What you built is incredible.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		The culture, everything.
		You know, I showed the movie to a stand-up who hadn't done stand-up in like 15 years.
		And he said the only thing that for sure you got wrong is the culture.
		I was like, what do you mean?
		He's like, no, people aren't that nice.
		And I was like, actually, I think you're wrong.
		I was like, it's changed.
		I was like, people are supportive now.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		It's in where you go.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		There's places where it's not very supportive.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		Really?
		But at least like, I used to go to the cellar like in early 2000s.
		Didn't feel like it does now.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Right.
		Well, I think Ari Shafir changed that a lot.
		He brought like the culture of LA to New York where you're like more supportive of each other.
		It was always like dog against dog because really the way it all started out was in the 1990s, it was all about everyone was auditioning for a sitcom.
		And if you and I were, if I showed up to audition for a sitcom, I'm like, oh, fuck Bradley's here.
		He's going for the same part.
		Fuck that guy.
		You know, it was just like that could change your life.
		If you got that sitcom, now all of a sudden you're fucking huge and I'm still like struggling to pay my rent, eating ramen.
		And it could have been me.
		And so there's this like serious resentment that happens in the 1990s because everybody, like the golden carrot at the end of the stick was the tonight show or you know, hosting a late, if you could get your own late night show, oh my God, he made it.
		He's a host of the tonight show.
		That was like the thing that only one person could get.
		And then there was like the sitcom.
		Like if it really worked out, they'd make a sitcom around you and you'd get a development deal.
		So there was people would psychologically backstab people.
		People would talk shit to people before they went on stage.
		They would try to hijack their fucking mind before they're like, really?
		It was dark.
		Crazy.
		And then the internet came around.
		And then the internet, instead of people being your competitors, they became not just your friends and not just your colleagues, but also an asset.
		Because if you're doing a podcast and you've got your funny friends on, then your podcast is better.
		And then if you tell people about their podcast, then their podcast is better.
		And then you go on their podcast and that's better.
		And everybody benefits from everybody else doing well.
		So it completely reversed the system.
		And then it became much more about being supportive of each other.
		And then everybody kind of realized, like, hey, it's way more fun when we're all having fun, you know?
		And since the television thing kind of died off, the sitcom thing kind of died off with reality shows.
		And then it was really just more about getting clips up on the internet and about getting, and then there was Netflix specials, so it wasn't just everybody trying to get an HBO special.
		There was way more specials.
		And then you could just upload specials to YouTube and became this way more collaborative, supportive environment.
		And then Ari Shafir took that that we had kind of like established in LA and brought that to New York.
		And a lot of those guys ran with it.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		I mean, that's the way to go.
		People always say, you know, there's a lot of room at the top.
		Yeah.
		There's a lot.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		There's a lot of room in stand-up for sure.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		You know, and it's like, and everybody has their own lane, even within this big highway.
		And everybody wants to be with other people.
		Who wants to be a lone wolf, really?
		For a long period of time?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		There's a few.
		Yeah.
		They're all psychologically destroyed.
		They're just a mess.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Who doesn't want to have friends?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		It's crazy.
unidentified		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I don't get it.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		But, you know, it's that aspect of the culture, I felt like in the movie You Guys Nailed, which is a realistic aspect, a realistic portrayal of what it's like where a bunch of people just, they were all busting each other's balls.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, oh, yeah, exactly.
		Yeah, you could be supportive and still honest.
		That was the thing.
		There's no lack of honesty or criticism.
		It's just, it's not done with the hope that for your demise.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		That's the difference.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I think the 90s poisoned a lot of comedians.
		It poisoned them because it gave you this idea that the whole thing was about a means to an end.
		And that end was a sitcom.
		And everybody thought you just had to get a sitcom.
		You got to get a sitcom.
		And that was what everybody was working towards.
		There's people that were developing their entire act based around a persona that they could sell to the networks.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		Were you doing stand-up before your sitcom?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		I see.
		Okay.
		So is that how that happened?
		Did someone see you and then they were like, oh, you got to try this show?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I got ridiculously lucky.
		Like, you know, a lot of people say, oh, I work really hard to get on a sitcom.
		Nope.
		No, I got lucky.
		I did the MTV.
		I never had any aspirations to act at all.
		I did MTV, half-hour comedy hour.
		I got a development deal.
		And all of a sudden, I'm living in L.A. and I'm on a sitcom.
		And it happened in a couple of days.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		I had a great sitcom.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I was on a bad one first.
		I was on a bad one called Hardball.
		It was a sitcom on Fox where I played a baseball player.
		That show got canceled.
		And unfortunately, I thought it was going to go because I was retarded.
		I was, you know, 25 years old, 26 years old.
		And I was like, oh, this is going to take off.
		I should get an apartment.
		So I had a lease on an apartment and I wanted to do it.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		I'm sure people were telling you that it was going to take off, too.
unidentified		Oh, yeah.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, of course.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Everybody believed it.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, you're going to win an Emmy.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Well, the guys who made it, Jeff Martin and Kevin Curran, they worked on The Simpsons.
		They worked on Married with Children.
		They were really good.
		But then the Fox people came in and just ruined it.
		Like the executives came in and they brought in a bunch of hacks and just ruined the show.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		Did you have fun doing it?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah.
		I had a kind of good time, but I also missed comedy and I missed New York people and I wanted to get out of there.
		I was like, I got to get back to New York.
		Fuck this place.
		As soon as it was over, but I was like, fuck, I got this lease.
		So I had a lease for a year.
		And then I got a developer.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		How long were you in LA at that time?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I was only in LA for a few months.
		Wow.
		Yeah.
		So I moved out there to do the show.
		I got a lease almost immediately.
		And then I was out there for a few months.
		Show got canceled.
		And then I got a development deal to do something for NBC.
		And they were going to do my own sitcom.
		But as we were developing it, they said, hey, there's a show that we're doing.
		It's called News Radio.
		It's already been picked up.
		We already did the pilot.
		But we fired one person from the pilot, and we want you to read for this.
		And that's how I got on News Radio.
		That's how it happened.
		Like that was the only second show I ever auditioned for ever.
unidentified		Wow.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		So I had one show that went on air and got canceled.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		You had a very unique track.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Dumb luck.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		That's nuts.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Stumbled into it 100%.
		I can't take any credit for it.
		Dumb luck.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		That's amazing.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Just my ability to keep it together in auditions and not crack with no acting experience at all.
		But it was just not, it wasn't something that I aspired to.
		So it didn't have the kind of pressure that it probably had for a lot of people.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		And it probably didn't have the same kind of valation, too.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Right.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		Like you, I assume it was not something you really wanted.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		It was like it was fun, but you weren't like, this is this is like, this feels right.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		No, what it felt like is, ooh, I'm going to get money.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Get some money.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, then something's wrong.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		I was like, something's wrong.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I was like, this is good.
		I'm going to get money and I don't have to worry about money.
		That's how I thought about it.
		And then when I was doing it, I was like, wow, I'm so lucky.
		Like, how did I stumble on it?
		I'm here with Phil Hartman.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		This is crazy, dude.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Dave Foley and Stephen Roode Tierney.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Like, this is nuts.
unidentified		Yeah.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		It was a crazy cast.
unidentified		Right?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		No, it was Paul Sims.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		Paul Sims, right?
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Who had just left Larry Sanders show.
unidentified		Right.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		So he left Larry Stash.
		Yeah, it was crazy luck.
		Just stupid, dumb luck.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		Sorgan did that other show with Jeff Daniels.
unidentified		Right.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it was a lot of fun.
		So, but, but back in those days, like, everybody was working towards that.
		And fortunately, I already had that.
		So my thing was just continue to work on stand-up and just work on my stand-up.
		And if this all goes away, I'll just go back to being a comic.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		And doing stand-up in LA.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		Right.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		So, and so that was new?
unidentified		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		And that's where I encountered the worst backstabbing I've ever seen in my life.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		So you're coming from New York where you didn't feel that.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		You didn't feel it as much.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		Right.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		You know, you felt like a lot of shit talking, but that was fun.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		You know, guys would make fun if you bombed.
unidentified		Right.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		They were doing it to your face.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		They were doing it to your face.
		And it was a more like it was just a more ball-busting, like silly environment in New York.
		It wasn't, no one thought they were going to get famous in New York.
		You know, they were all just doing sets.
		But in LA, everybody had this idea to get a sitcom.
		And then in the 1990s, they started giving out development deals.
		That was the big thing.
		You get like a $200,000, half a million dollar development deal.
		And then all of a sudden, you have all this money and you're living it.
		And so everybody was working towards that.
		So it became, instead of like people working towards just being a stand-up, it became stand-up was a means to an end.
		And then all these other people, they were in your way to get that goal.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		Jesus.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		And then your agent was telling you that's what you had to do.
		And every because they wanted that money too.
		So it was all like programming people to go after the situation.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		So completely different culture in the stand-up community there.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Exactly.
		But then that all went away.
		It all went away.
		Like this, the idea of working towards a sitcom is not, it's like working towards a career in ham radio.
		Like you just fucking went away.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		Well, you say that Ari changed it.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		How did he do it?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Because he brought the LA culture to New York.
		Ari moved from LA back to New York.
		And everybody that I talked to in New York is always like, you guys are doing it wrong.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		And people listened to him.
unidentified		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Well, because he was established and he was a really good comic.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		And they were like, he's right.
unidentified		Wow.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		And they would come to LA.
		Like a lot of guys like Andrew Schultz and a lot of these other guys, they would come to LA and they're like, bro, everybody's so fucking nice here.
		And they're all just having a great time.
		Like, why aren't we doing that?
		Why aren't we just having a great time?
		And so it shifted.
		It's just, it was the culture of the internet.
		The internet changed everything because there was no longer this one thing that a hundred guys were trying to audition for.
		Now it was anybody could just put up something online.
		And then all your friends became assets.
		They all became like valuable to you instead of competitors.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		That's cool.
unidentified		Yeah.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		Do you go up in these cities ever now?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I do.
		If I'm in LA, I'll still do sets in LA.
		I haven't been in a while.
		But, you know, most of the time I'm at my own club.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		Right.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		It makes it way.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Also, I have teenage kids and they're, I want to be home.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		Did you do the cellar?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I did the cellar back in the day.
		But more I did, I did the stand.
		I did catch when it was there.
		Right.
		I did, I always did Dangerfields.
		Dangerfields was great because it was like a hole in the wall.
		There was hardly anybody else.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		Is that where he shot his special?
unidentified		Yes.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		Wow.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		It was big in the 80s and then something happened.
		And by the time I got there in the 90s, it was like fucking dead.
		One time I went there and I had a spot at like 8.30.
		And I don't remember what time the show started, but there was a few people on before me.
		And I got there and the people that were on before me were sitting at the bar.
		I go, what's going on?
		They're like, there's no crowd.
		I'm like, there's no crowd.
		There's nobody.
		And so then this couple walked up and they bought tickets for the comedy show.
		And this guy, Bobby, who was the doorman, like, step right up.
		It was a Scottish guy.
		Come on in.
		I have you seated.
		He seats them down.
		There's no one there, just them.
		They sit down.
		Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to Dangerfields, your first act.
		And we all did stand-up for two fucking people.
		Wow.
		Yeah.
		The whole night was two people.
		And they had a great time.
		I'm sure.
		But it was weird.
		It's like when you're doing stand-up for just two people.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		You're only looking at two people.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		But you also realize how much of your act is bullshit.
		How much of your act is like fucking dance moves.
		It's just nonsense, like English on the cue ball.
		It's like you're doing a lot of silly things that like don't even, and you're not connecting with real humans.
unidentified		Right.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		And when there's two people there, it like cuts the fat out of all of your shit.
		And you recognize where the flaws in your writing are and the flaws in your delivery.
		But Dangerfields was a wild little place.
		It was like a classic comedy club that didn't have any, no industry went there, no agents, no managers right there.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		Always.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		It was just like a bunch of weird degenerates.
		And it was fun.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		Wow.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		That was a fun place.
		So I did that club a lot.
		But a lot of, I did the road a lot.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Because that was how I could make money.
		And I could headline.
		Like I do an hour.
		Because if you're in the city, you're doing 15-minute sets or 10-minute sets.
		Like, that's great.
		But it's hard to piece together an hour at a 10-minute set because you kind of want to let the material breathe and put it all together and compose it into one big thing.
		And you really can work on that a lot more if you're actually headlining.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		Do you watch a lot of specials, comedy specials nowadays?
unidentified		I don't.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I watch a lot of comics when I see them at the club.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		Right, but not like.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		No, I probably should.
		I probably should watch more of them.
		But really, comedy is like an artistic form of hypnosis.
		And the real way to see comedy is to be there live.
		And you know when the person's locked in and you know when they're not.
		You feel it.
		They got you.
		Like they're thinking for you.
		Like if I'm watching a tell and he's at like the mothership and he's killing, like we're all like this.
		We're like locked into his brain and we're letting him like take us on a ride.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, of course.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		It's like a kind of a form of hypnosis.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		And I really think that a stand-up special, as good as they are, you're maybe getting 60 to 70% of the experience of actually being there.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		That's why I enjoy watching them to see how different people make them.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		Because it's all different types.
unidentified		Yeah.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		You know, some are heavily edited, which always brings me out.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		If there's a way to keep it so you feel like you're in the room.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Right.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		You know, I remember it was a Mr. Tambourine Man or the Chris Rock special where when he changed the tone of it and he started talking about jerking off to porn and how he became addicted to porn.
		And it was that great filmmaker who's a comedian who does music.
		He did that thing during COVID when he was in his house.
		Bo Burnham.
		Bo Burnham.
		I think he directed it.
		And the camera just keeps going on, keeps going on.
		By the time you don't even realize it because you're hypnotized, you're right here on Chris Rock.
		And I think probably subconsciously, just thinking about it now, that's probably one of the things because that's kind of the frame I use the whole time on Alex.
		But I remember watching it going, like, when the fuck did this become a close-up?
		You know?
		But that's what it was happening.
		So there was a synergy between the camera and what he was doing in the place.
		Or at least made me feel like cinematically I was there and this is what he was doing, hypnotizing me.
unidentified		Right.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		And then the opposite of that was the special that Chris Rock did where he changed clothes.
		So he was doing a special where he filmed part of it in one place and another part of it in another place.
		And he spliced the two of them together with different outfits.
		So you would have him begin a bit with one outfit on and then end a bit with a different outfit.
		And you're like, whose idea was this?
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		Because the minute you cut and edit in any way, you know, even podcasts audio-wise, that's the thing I've learned.
		You know, some people, you know, they edit the audio of a podcast and you're like, that's not, someone didn't take a breath before they answered.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Oh, like cutting out in between.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it's a whole other rhythm.
unidentified		Right.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's the YouTube thing, right?
		YouTube for a long time was doing these things where they would cut out all the pauses in between people talking things.
		And it became like a style of editing.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		Right.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Where it's like shocking.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		For my ears, it's impossible for me to get in.
unidentified		Right.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		It's just impossible.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Well, it's the short attention span concept.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		Right.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		You're just saying people are so fucking stupid, you can't give many breaks.
		You can't give many breaths.
		You got to keep talking, keep talking, keep talking.
		And then you do it.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		After a while, it's just like this wash.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		And yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		They're just trying to keep you engaged as much as possible by editing instead of by having actually interesting content.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		Compelling content.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		But it's an interesting exercise.
		Yeah.
		I enjoy watching.
		Like, I think Josh Safdy did Sandler's one, and he was, and he did all this backstage, and he walked up, and then he was in many locations, but he was playing music a lot.
		Yeah, I just like watching everybody's different, you know, sort of exploration of different stand-up shows because it's such a huge, viable market.
		So people, you know, it's fun to watch how they do it.
		I think that's probably why, because I watched so many of them, I wanted to do it in a way in a movie.
		Have you done stand-up at all?
		Never, never, never.
		Never?
unidentified		No.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Have you thought about it?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		When you were doing the film, did you think about doing that?
unidentified		No, no.
unidentified		No?
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, and I don't know why, Joe.
unidentified		Yeah.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		But no, I just, it's not like one of those things that I feel compelled to do.
		But would it be fun?
		Would I be scared?
		All those things.
		Will I try an open mic one night?
		Yeah, I probably should.
		But it's not, I didn't feel compelled to do it.
		No.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		The problem would be if you did it and it went okay, but you're like, I think I could do better.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		And then I'm and then you're gone.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		You know me?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I know everybody.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		It's kind of the same thing with all of us.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, of course, dude.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		There's always a party.
		You're like, I think I can do better.
		And then next thing you know, like, I got to leave.
		I got to go do a set.
		What the fuck are you doing?
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		Dad, I haven't eaten dinner.
unidentified		No, no, no, no.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		It's like all artistic pursuits, they can become an obsession and they become an addiction and they become a part of you.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		And then it's like your brain naturally goes towards that pathway of thinking about that thing all day.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		Which I love.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Oh, it's great if it's a fun thing.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		I remember being 11 and watching The Elephant Man and knowing at that moment.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		You okay?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I'm sweating.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I was going to take this.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		Knowing at that moment that, like, oh, this is what I want to do for the rest of my life.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		When you saw The Elephant Man?
unidentified		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Really?
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I remember.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		How is it that movie?
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		I mean, I don't know.
		I mean, I've thought about it a lot, obviously.
		David Lynch directed it.
		I remember the scene, Anthony Hopkins.
		I loved film.
		So I always loved film.
		My dad loved film.
		But it wasn't like a conscious thing where I was like, this is it.
		And I remember, you know, in my living room, it's on the TV.
		I saw all the movies on the TV.
		You know, I never saw Apocalypse Now in a movie theater or Godfather or anything, Willingness, as long as it's runner or, you know, none of it.
		It was all on the television.
		And, but I was watching the elephant man.
		It was on HBO.
		It came through Philadelphia where I live, Comcast, and they would show like it all the time.
		And it was Anthony Hopkins coming in and he's seeing Joseph Merrick, the elephant man, for the first time.
		And the way David Lynch shot it, you only see his shadow.
		And then Hopkins starts crying.
		And I don't know.
		I was just like, I was there in that cellar with him.
		And I was like, I forgot I was in the living room.
		And then the whole movie was like that.
		And it came out.
		I was like, I just want, I want that.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		So was that like the first seed that was planted?
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that was it.
		It was the first and only.
		I was 11.
		It was like, it was like, bam.
		It was like a shot.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		This is a scene right here.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it's right.
		It's this.
		This is it.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Oh, look how young Anthony Hopkins looks.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, he was incredible.
unidentified		Stand up.
unidentified		Stand up. Turn around. Turn around.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Wow.
unidentified		Wow.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		That was it.
unidentified		Yeah.
unidentified		Wow.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		What is it like watching that now?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Like thinking that that planted a seed that changed your whole life.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		I'm like, well, first I thought, wasn't it a shadow?
		But that was before.
		And then I'm like, oh, yeah.
		And then, yeah.
		Then I was just in it.
		Then all of a sudden I was there.
		Then I was like, is Joe in it?
		Does he know what I'm talking about?
		And then as my brain started going, the movie kept bringing me in it.
		And then by the end, by that push-in, I was like, I'm just watching this guy look at this thing for the first time.
		And then, fuck, look at this beast, Anthony Hopkins.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I wonder what he was looking at when he was crying.
		I know.
		You know, because pull that out of your eyeballs.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		And I wrote, so I went to grad school, moved to New York, wrote him a letter because our dean said somehow he knew him or he had the school I went to that I only got into because they let anybody in.
		They did that show inside the actor studio.
		Do you remember that on TV on Bravo?
		And so our thesis was, the show there was like our, not like our.
		There was a class that, but it was a class, like technically a class, and so all these incredible people would come on and Anthony Hopkins was there and and I was there for that.
		And then I wrote him a letter just telling him and I asked, James Lipton, that was his name.
		The dean, yeah and uh, and then that you know, and then never, you know, I never heard from him ever.
		And then you know, and now I know him.
		Dude, It's so weird.
		It's crazy.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		It's so weird, right?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I never get over that.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		Me neither.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		Meeting.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Ever.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Ever.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		And there's some guys.
		I don't know if you feel this way too, but like there's some guys, like, then they become your friends.
		But still, I still feel a little bit of extra energy when I'm around them.
		Like, it'll never go away.
unidentified		Right.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, for sure.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		It's crazy.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		For me, one of the big ones was Tarantino.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Like, oh, hanging out with Tarantino.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that would be nuts.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		It's so odd.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Going to dinner with him.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it's crazy.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Hanging out with him here.
		Him coming to the club.
		He come hang out, hang out in the green room.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		That's nuts.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		It's just weird.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		It's like, that's Quentin Tarantino.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		That's crazy.
		Yeah, and it never goes away.
		As close as you get, even when your brain's off, right?
		Because that's always the lymphus.
		Is my brain off when I'm with the person?
unidentified		Right.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		That's like when, like, okay.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Right.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		And even like Clint Eastwood, who I did American Sniper with, I mean, it was always Clint Eastwood.
		And I got to a point where my brain was off, you know, but still, I'm just like, what?
		If my dad was alive, if my dad was alive, he would flip the fuck out.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		What was it like doing that scene with the fake baby?
unidentified		Oh, was that weird?
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		It's so funny.
		I was just talking about that two days ago, dude.
		And you know, I've come full circle.
		I actually think it's dope.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Really?
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		I think it's fucking die because it's so just like, wow, look at these people fully invested and it's a doll.
unidentified		It's like a scene where you're like kind of like moving the handle.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		I could tell you the whole thing, dude.
		So we had three sets of twins and Clint likes to shoot fast, which I love and love.
		And they were crying and they weren't ready.
		And he was like, you know what?
		Let's just let's put let's put the doll in.
		And I was like, okay.
		I was like, all right.
		And I have the doll.
		And I remember, and I made a joke on set.
		And I was like, I'll just save you 35 grand because I moved his hand with my thumb.
		You know, like I save visual effects like 50 grand, like made a joke about it.
		And then we got to post and we were in Vancouver doing the meeting.
		But, you know, everybody defers to the boss.
		I still remember being in a room and I'm like a theater we're watching and they're like, okay, Clint, so we did this and, you know, the tank has dirt on it.
		And, you know, whatever visual effects they had done.
		We get to the baby.
		They're like, okay, Clint, this is this scene.
		And it ends.
		And I'm literally behind Clint.
		I just see the back of his head and I'm waiting for everybody to raise their hand.
		Like, we got to spend more money to make the kid real.
		And I think the kid had like two fingers too.
		Like, they weren't even, it was like an AA.
		Yeah.
unidentified		There it is.
		Yeah.
		That's it.
		That's me.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		I'm doing that.
unidentified		That's it.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		But dude, it's kind of dope.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		I love it now.
unidentified		I've come full circle.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		So, so, and I raised my hand and I was like, Clint, I just think that it's clear, you know, that that's not a baby.
		And what would we, can we at least just find out what the cost would be?
		And no one, and no one said anything.
		And then I remember he was like, I think I think we move on.
unidentified		Wow.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		And that was it, dude.
		And that was it.
		And I was like, okay, okay.
		And I remember talking to the other producer.
		I was like, this is going to come back.
		I was like, bro, this is going to come back to haunt us.
		And I remember he said, no, Bradley, you're too close to the movie.
		I was like, I don't think so, dude.
unidentified		No, everybody was like, oh, he's moving his thumb.
		This is crazy.
		That's a rubber baby.
		That's crazy, dude.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		There's another one, too.
unidentified		Yeah, yeah.
unidentified		Yeah, it's crazy.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		What is it like doing a film like that where you're playing an actual human being?
		Is that different than a written character that has no physical body that you can kind of become who you think the words represent?
		But when you're playing a guy like Chris Kyle, you're playing a human.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		And you're trying to figure out a way to make it as realistic as possible, but you're acting.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Like, what is that like?
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		I mean, the thing that just popped in my head is the pressure is it's like night and day.
		Because there are people that you have to serve.
		You know, especially with Chris Kyle.
		We started making that movie.
		He was alive.
		He got killed while he was still negotiating with Warner Brothers.
		I know, I think we just closed his deal.
		And then he was murdered on February 2nd, I believe.
		And it was just like, whoa.
		And then, but in fact, we were like, now we really got to make this movie.
		And then Clint and I flew to Midlothian, Texas, and met with his family and his widow and his parents and then the kids.
		And I had played, I did the Elephant Man.
		I did it as a play in my thesis in grad school.
		And then I did it at Williamstown.
		And then I actually did it in New York and London.
		So, and that, and even though it's a long time ago, that was the first time I felt that responsibility because I actually loved that guy, Joseph Merrick.
		And I did, and I felt that responsibility to him.
		So I had done something like that before.
		But this was the first, this was the next time.
		It was massive, Joe.
		But I think that, it's like you're always looking for what's the fuel that's going to allow me to work as hard as I can.
		And the fuel when you're playing a real person is like, there's like four extra canisters or like vats of firepower for you to work hard.
		Because you just, you know, you're looking across at the eyes of somebody and say, I'm going to serve your son or your husband or your father.
		It's a major responsibility.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Maybe even more major because now he's deceased.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		It was mind-blowing.
		But it terrified me.
		And also, like, I'm 185 pounds at that point from Northeast Philadelphia.
		This guy's from Midlothian, Texas, SEAL Team 3.
		You know, it's like, how, and the way Clint works and the way we did work, you know, Kevin Lace, who was a SEAL team three with Chris, was in the movie, played Dauber.
		Jacob Schick was one tribe, which is what I'm wearing.
		He was a Marine.
		Did you ever see American Sniper?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, there's that scene where he goes to the hospital and there's all the guys that have been wounded.
		Jacob Schick is one of them.
		You know, so there's real guys.
		It's all real.
		So I step in.
		You know, I've got to, I'm going to die unless I believe I'm Chris.
		Right.
		Like, so I have to do whatever I can so that I believe I'm Chris.
		If I believe I'm Chris, then I have a shot at everybody else potentially going along with this illusion.
		I just have to, I have to be absolutely fearless when I walked on set.
		So I just, it just made me work so hard that I had never worked hard.
		That if it's a created character, you know, it's different.
		But it comes with a different set of challenges.
		You know, it just depends on what it is.
		But I do know.
		And then with Leonard Bernstein, I did the same thing.
		Huge responsibility, like massive that I felt to his kids, to people that loved him.
		But mainly his kids.
		All three, his son has passed away since.
		But his three kids are like, okay.
		You know, they're like handing you, you know, it's like if someone went to your daughter in 12 years and said, here's this movie about your father.
		Do you know what I mean?
unidentified		Yeah.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		You know, and this guy's sitting across and be like, okay, I'm going to play your father.
		That's just a whole other thing.
		Because the truth is, like, if it's good, it's going to last a long time.
		And it's going to be a thing that marks their journey.
		So I'm a part of whatever little part of Chris's journey.
		So you give somebody, the faith that whoever has the power to give to that artist is just, you know.
		So it just made me work.
		You know, like you just, you just don't stop working till you get to the point where you believe you're him.
		Or you believe that he's a part of you.
		Something's working.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Did you meet Chris Kyle?
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		Never.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		Just talked to him on the phone once.
unidentified		Oh, wow.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		So what did you like?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Did you train?
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Like, what did you do to try to like.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		Well, here's, it's interesting, right?
		It's like, well, I couldn't do anything that would ever achieve what he achieved, but it's like, what can I do to look like a master?
		Right?
		So there's three weapons, the 338 Lapua, the 50 Cal, the rifle.
		It's like, what can I do?
		How much time do I have?
		And I think I had like six months.
		Also, luckily, we're the same shoe size, same age.
		He has a hole in his ear.
		I do.
		You find things that like, you know, same height.
		I was like, oh, this is great.
		And then I just like, but he's 238 pounds.
		So the first thing was 6,000 calories a day.
		Found a trainer.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		6,000?
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, 6,000 calories.
		So first I did it with real food, and that was a big mistake because I couldn't get up.
		Remember, it's the first week I did it.
		I had an incredible chef.
		And then I couldn't get up.
		Like, I couldn't move my stomach.
		So then I think we split like half of it into protein shakes.
		But it was still 6,000 calories.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		When you say he couldn't get up, like when you get it.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		I mean, my stomach wasn't able to process that much food.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, whatever happened.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I was just getting blocked.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		Getting blocked.
		Like major pain.
		Like I was giving birth or something, what I would imagine.
		So then we change it and it would be like huge meal, shake, huge meal, shake.
		Worked out twice a day.
		I had three rest days, no cardio.
		It was all about strength training.
		And it was all focused around deadlifting.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Oh, okay.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		And it was a guy, Jason Walsh, who I worked with.
		And I did that.
		Yes, it would be like Monday, 5.30 a.m. and then a 4.30 p.m. or like 3.30, Monday, Tuesday, rest Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, rest Saturday, Sunday, and did that.
		And I got up to 238 pounds.
		And a lot of it was like, because I was thinking about him, his neck.
		So I came like, I would do all these, all the neck stuff.
		And it was his shoulders.
		Like, I just wanted so you could shoot over.
		And it's like, you know, which we did all the time in the movie where the guy's just, you know, Chris.
unidentified		Yeah.
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joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		How much weight did you gain?
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		I went from 185 to 238.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Whoa.
unidentified		Yeah.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		And all naturally, because cancer's in my family, I've had skin cancer, and like I'm terrified of anything.
		So I was like, not going to do that.
		So, you know.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Did you take creatine or anything?
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		Took creatine, yeah.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		Which, by the way, I just started again like three months ago.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Oh, it's amazing.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		Dude, I'm on this push-up thread with a bunch of dads at my school, and we do 100 push-ups a day.
		And if we don't, you have to pay $10 into a pool.
		And then when we get to 800, we go to Chinatown and I'll have a meal with the money.
		And then I started taking creatine like two and a half months ago.
		And we just upped it to 150.
		I was like, this is, because I could only do, and we like YouTube the perfect push-up, which I didn't know, which is like a whole other world.
		And then now it's like, it's, I mean, creatine is incredible.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		It's incredible for your brain.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		I know.
		I've heard you say that.
		Like, I can't tell that because I also take Zins all the time.
		So it's like, I don't know what's doing it.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, me too.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		But, but, yeah, where was I on the Chris thing?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		You're talking about gaining weight.
unidentified		Oh, yeah.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah.
		So then I worked with 38.
		And I worked with the guy who, so I was doing that in conjunction with learning about sniping and working with Kevin Lace, this guy, Dauber.
		We would go up to the Disney Ranch and work with like 600-yard head targets prone that I would just do all the time.
		And then once we cast the rest of the team, we did all this stuff.
		But really, Kevin Lace, this guy Dauber, was the guy because he was there.
		And he was there through the whole shooting, just so everything would be real.
		And we just drilled it.
		We became a group.
		Like, you know, we did the work.
		But it wasn't so much about like, I was like, I have this amount of time.
		Doing like sealed boot camp will do nothing for me.
		Like, that'll just give me the brain of like how hard this is and will I be broken.
		I've done us, not that I couldn't have, not maybe I would have been broken, but I felt like I do understand that.
		Like I've been through certain things where like I understand what it's like to push myself to be on my breaking point and what that looks like and feels like.
		What I don't know is when I'm looking at a target and I have to factor in the, you know, the curve of the earth.
		You know, like that's the stuff I want to learn.
		Yeah.
		So that's where I focused was those three weapons, you know, live rounds, gaining the weight.
		So I felt like I was with here we go.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		We're back.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		That's like all of a sudden you're like, oh, you didn't take the drug?
unidentified		You know what I'm saying?
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		Like, no, I'm not on it.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		And then, and then, so it was those two things in conjunction.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		The curve of the earth is nuts.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		You have to think about that.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		It's crazy.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Long distance changes.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		And then the fact that this guy stayed up 24 hours would pee in there, you know, never get up to pee, just pee right there, right in the room.
		You know, I mean, I said no.
		And then, by the way, it's a human being.
		I mean, it's just, forget it.
		And then just working with this guy, Tim Monica on like his voice.
		To me, it's all the voice is everything.
		It's all about the voice and like where he's from.
		And Chris was interesting because his accent started to change.
		You know, because he, once he got out, and then he did that, he did a couple of shows.
		You know, he wrote that book, which is how I came across and then gave it to Glint.
		So he had an interesting accent that kind of changed a little bit.
		But yeah, just the voice, just hitting the voice.
		I would work this guy five days a week, you know, you know, and I had tons of stuff.
		I had so much information that Taya Kyle had been so generous to give me.
		So many home videos, you know, correspondence.
		You know, I used to work out to his, which I just did the other day.
		I hadn't, it's so funny we're talking about this.
		I literally just did it two days ago, worked out to his playlist.
		I had both of his workout playlists.
unidentified		Oh, wow.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		And I blew up two huge posters.
		And one was him just like this and one with his gun.
		And I would do that and look at him every morning.
		It was just like this beautiful ritual that I felt like I was with him every day.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		How long did you take to prepare?
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		I'd have to look back.
		I think I did it fast, but I think we had about six months or five months.
		But like, you know, full on, that's it, nothing else.
		I didn't have a kid back then.
		It was like, that was it.
		Yeah.
		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		That's, there's, there's something very unique about someone doing a film about an actual person.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Like a great actor doing like De Niro when he played Jake LaMada, Raging Bull.
unidentified		Of course.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Like that, that was one of the first.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I mean, he became a different person.
unidentified		Yeah.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, you have to.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		You have to, if there's like a merging of you and that, whatever that idea or the soul, whatever of the person, it sounds so hokey.
		You know, I get it.
		But if you ask me what my memory is of, of making a sniper, like memory like on in scenes, it's not that like I was acting.
		It's just, that's not my memory.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		What is the memory?
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		Of like, okay, now we're going to do this.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		And it's like me as him doing it.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Wow.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		You know, that's.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Is that a mind fuck when you stop when like the movie?
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		Well, the good thing is you do a Clint who takes the piss out of fucking everything.
unidentified		Oh, does he?
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		So, yes, we would go to dinner at night.
		And I learned from Christian Bale in American Hustle, like he just stayed in, because I didn't understand this, stay in the character all the time.
		You know, you hear these stories, but you don't know what the real is.
		Like, how does that work?
		You see a cell phone?
		Do you like lose your mind?
		Like, how do you, what is it?
		How do you do it?
		And it's like, oh, I overthought it.
		Bale would just stay.
		He played this character that's from New York in American Hustle.
		And I go in there.
		The first day I met him, he was his accent.
		And the rest of the movie, even like on weekends, it was him, Christian.
		And we would talk about stuff and this kid, but he would just speak in that voice.
		And I was like, oh, it's that simple.
		Like, it's not some big thing.
		Like, once you get the voice.
		That is weird.
		But I took it.
		I mean, and it's wonderful.
		Because then you feel like you're not acting and you're in the voice.
		And I do it all.
		So I would be in that voice of Chris for the whole movie.
		And then we would go to like a restaurant when we were up in Lancaster shooting or something.
		And Clint would then make fun of me and my accent as Chris and order a steak.
		And it was just, it was great.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		He's fucking sabotaging your performance.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		He's making you self-conscious.
unidentified		That's crazy.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		It was awesome.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		That's crazy.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I always wondered what it's like to be around someone as like method.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		But I don't know.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		Method is also a term that, you know.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		What does it mean?
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		Well, the method, it started in Russia, right?
		And then, you know, that book on acting that I should know, you know, what's his name?
		He came and then the group theater started and it was like, you know, and all these people then disbanded and there's Harry Meisner and there's yeah, Stanislavski, exactly.
		And there was this other guy, Bach Tangoff, that also talked about every rehearsal.
		It's very interesting.
		And I read all this in grad school.
		And then the group theater came in and then Ilya Kazan was a huge part of it becoming popular because you had this guy that was sweeping floors of the actor studio and then started directing plays and then all of a sudden he's a huge movie director and he's putting Marlon Brando, who was part of the actor studio, starring in his movies, you know, and he's doing, and so it all just sort of erupted.
		But then it branched out.
		And so there's people that are dogmatic about it, about it's only using your, you know, you're substituting.
		So if I'm doing a scene with you, like, you aren't you, you're my brother, you know, but but it's evolved into, it's like what works for you.
		To me, it's like you use your, your own experience plus your imagination, you know, but that's, that's the sort, that's the, you know, sort of a very layman's 50-second, you know, telling of what the origin of the method is.
		But I went to the actor studio, which is based in the method.
		That's where I went to grad school.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Is it easy?
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		And it's very valuable because I didn't know shit before that.
		I mean, I did a couple of plays at Georgetown.
		I didn't know anything.
		I mean, I just loved acting, but I didn't do anything about it.
		I was terrified as a kid.
		Like, we did this thing in high school where we had to, as seniors, we would put on our show where we would make fun of our teachers.
		And I like, I could do my Latin teacher, Mr. Burke.
		I was like, and I actually sang in it.
		And I was like, but I was terrified, Joe, for the whole year, sleepless nights for a year leading up to it.
		That's how scared I was in public.
		I remember doing like a fifth grade presentation with the poster boards about Locken Hobbes and the poster shaking so hard because I was because I was so nervous.
		I was like, how am I going to, what's this fear thing?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Isn't that weird?
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		I know.
		But then in college, I did a couple of plays, but I still didn't know what I was doing, but I loved it.
		And I was like little stuff.
		I was like Azalon, the server in Dangerous Liaisons.
		But I still remember like I closed the door in a rhythmic way and people laughed.
		And I remember I was like, ooh, oh, this feels good.
		And then, and then, so I applied to grad school there.
		And then all of a sudden, it was like I got a huge foundation of like what I could do.
		You know, that your insecurities are actually your attributes, your fears are stuff that, you know, all this thing that you're a sensitive kid.
		This is all good stuff.
		And I never felt that way before about any of that.
		And I had this teacher, Elizabeth Kemp, who was incredible, who then passed away in my house years later.
		She got sick.
		Yes, crazy.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Passed away in your house?
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, in Venice, California.
		She was sick, so we put her hospice there.
		But she was incredible.
		And she did this basic technique class.
		And it was the first time ever.
		Because I didn't, you know, grow up therapy or none of that was even in the vicinity of talking about your feelings.
		I loved my dad, but I grew up in the 80s in Northeast Philadelphia with an Irish-Italian upbringing.
		That wasn't part of the deal.
		And then all of a sudden in grad school with other guys and women and we're like laying down and she wants us to go through an experience of loss and betrayal when we were children.
		And it's like, what the fuck?
		And actually I could take all that stuff I've been ashamed of and I could use it and bring it into art.
		I don't know, it really clicked with me in a huge way.
		So, and I use it even to this day.
		All the movies I do, I always get the actors together and do like a workshop for a week that's based on dreams that she also taught me.
		And I just find it invaluable.
		Any way you can just, how can I just get to a place where we're just talking to each other and I don't, you know, and that all this stuff I feel, it's okay.
unidentified		Right.
unidentified		Right.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Well, you're doing a guy like Chris, it must also be kind of easier to keep the accent than to try to re-establish it right before every scene.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		You just said it.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		It's a logical thing.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		That's it.
		It's a logical thing.
		The idea of me talking with an accent or even thinking that it's an accent because you don't think about it anymore.
		The whole point is I'm not doing an act.
		If I'm doing a scene with you and I'm thinking about how I'm talking, it's over.
		It's a wrap.
		It's not real.
		But if I'm just talking to you and it happens to be the voice that I've been working on for however long time, then we're in it.
		We got a shot.
		And if I'm stopping it, there's no way I'm not thinking about.
		So yes, Joe, that is the reason.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		You know what's a really underappreciated talent is voice actors who do audiobooks.
		I was watching a video of this guy because I never knew how they did it.
		And I kind of assumed that whenever they had to change accents, they probably had a pause where they were.
		But there's a video of a guy doing the voiceover for Lord of the Rings, the Lord of the Rings audiobook.
		And he goes into Smeagle.
		He goes into the Gollum character while he's doing narration.
		There's no break.
		He just smoothly transitions into Smeague.
		It's fucking incredible.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		And it's nuts.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		It is absolutely masterful and completely underappreciated.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I agree with you.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Because if you watch this guy do it, I don't know the gentleman's name who's the voiceover actor, but I love audiobooks.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		That guy, listen to this guy.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		Oh, it's Andy Serkin.
unidentified		Was holding a debate with some other thought that used the same voice, but made it squeak and hiss.
unidentified		A pale light and a green light alternated in his eyes as he spoke.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		Smear.
unidentified		He premised.
unidentified		said the first thought yes yes my precious came the answer Amazing.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Fucking amazing.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		What a master.
unidentified		Love it.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		Love it.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		And you're talking about a master actor.
unidentified		Yes.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, you know, because he's been in a lot of movies.
		He's directed.
		He directed that great movie that was like Jungle Book, a version of Jungle Book that Christian Bale actually played the Panther, I believe.
		He's incredible.
		And I got to meet him.
		He's like, this guy's like a one-off generational talent.
		Yeah, he's insane.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		You have to be to be that good at voiceover acting.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, and he's just a great actor.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, you have to be.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		Yeah, I agree.
		And my mother watches this.
		She'll kill me that I'm saying.
		My mother watches.
		First of all, she loves Turkish soap opera.
		So she watches everything.
unidentified		She's Turkish.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Why them specifically?
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		I don't know.
		She just, she graduated from Hallmark into Turkish scenery.
		And then she's evolved even further.
		She just watches a screen where there's two people, AI images, and it's just a person telling a story.
		And I often come down making breakfast because when she stays with me in New York, she has the room down there.
		And I'll be like making my daughter breakfast and I could hear it or I'll go to the bathroom, which is right next to her.
		And I was like, wow, these guys, these voices.
		I mean, because the guy's carrying it all.
		It's just an image.
		And she'll watch it for hours.
		And I'm like, what's going to happen?
		Is he going to make that?
		Is the firm going to hire him?
		Did she see the note?
		Like, it's amazing.
		I was like, yeah, it's really an art form.
		Turkish.
		Yeah.
		I remember the first time I came down, I was like, oh, no, what happened?
		Because I'm just hearing, I'm like, what happened?
		And I walk in and I'm like, mom, what are you watching?
		She's like, oh, no, this guy's the best actor in the world.
		This guy.
		And so she just reads the subtitles.
		She did it for like, she's watched.
		It's called.
		Oh.
		If you look up, he's like, what's it called?
		Circle.
		Is it dove, bird, bird, something?
		How could I forget it?
		Oh, baby.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Is that it?
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		Early bird.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Early bird?
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Can you explain this?
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		So it's a soap.
		It's a soap opera.
		There's like 360 episodes.
		She's watched them all like five, four times.
unidentified		And she'll come in.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		She'll like do a marathon session, come in to make some food.
		She's like, this guy, just the way he moves.
		This guy's the best actor.
		That's him.
unidentified		That's him.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		That's him.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Is it speaking in Turkish?
unidentified		Oh, yeah.
unidentified		Oh, yeah.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		This looks like.
		Yeah, that's it.
		Yeah, there he is.
		Yeah, there he is.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		And so she likes this.
		And she does the voiceover.
		She reads the.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		No, so that was the middle stage.
		Now she's graduated to, it's different now where she just watches two AI images and it's a story.
		But she did this for a good like eight years.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		But why?
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		All through COVID.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Why was she into this?
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		I don't know.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		She must have come across it one day somewhere and then that was it.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		She just got hooked?
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I mean, hooked isn't even the word.
		Yeah.
		By the way, it's pretty good.
unidentified		Yeah, yeah.
unidentified		You watch it?
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, yeah.
		Yeah, he's great.
		And the woman in it is great too.
		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Do you consume a lot of films?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Do you watch a lot of videos?
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		I watch a lot of everything.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		I love television films.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		And then, you know, like eight months ago, I know I'm late to the game, came across Cross Podcasts.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Only eight months ago.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, pretty much.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		That's interesting.
unidentified		Isn't it?
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		What made you get into that?
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		I can't remember, but it was your podcast, and I'm trying to think what it was.
		And then it was like, oh, and then I came.
		And then, you know, once you watch something on your phone, it like suggests other things.
		And then you had two guys on that I thought were really interesting.
		And then they do a trigonometry.
		Yeah, trigonometry.
		I find that very fascinating.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Oh, they're great.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, great.
		And so that's how it just started.
		So now it's like a huge part of, like, I have this whole little thing.
		Like, often I'll go to bed and my daughter's listening to your voice.
		But I do put on headphones sometimes because I love just at the end of the day listening, listening or watching.
		I'll put it on the side table.
		Yeah, it's very podcasts are incredible and it's very soothing.
		Very soothing.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		That's interesting.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I hardly ever listen to them anymore.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		I love TV.
		I love it.
		Yeah, I take in a lot of content.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Have you watched The Beast in Me on Netflix?
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		I did.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Claire Danes?
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		Oh, dude.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Holy shit, dude.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		Dude.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		And that guy, Carrie Russell's husband, Matthew Reese, dude.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		The bad guy.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, how fucking good is that guy?
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		So I did a movie with him years ago called Burnt about a chef, and we had never met.
		And there's a scene where my character, he was trying to get sober, and he went off the wagon.
		And he goes into this guy, their old nemesis.
		They were nemesis with each other, his restaurant after hours.
		And it was like a pretty dark scene that we never met me and this guy, this actor, right?
		Before we shot.
		And I come in, and then I don't know what was, I was pretty locked in.
		And there's one scene which wasn't really scripted.
		And I took, you know, those sous vide bags and I put it over my head to try to, cause he's trying to kill himself.
		Which, by the way, I was like, oh, this could work.
		If I don't get help, those things are strong and tight.
		And then we had this experience, Joe, where then he was ripping it off me, trying for me not to kill myself.
		And I don't know him that well, but we had, that's the thing about like making art together.
		Like, we had that.
		It'll never, every time I see him, I've seen him maybe six times at like certain things or something.
		I always feel like we're bonded forever, just based on this one experience that we had.
		And he's an incredible actor.
		He's just, and I, the end of that show, him and the end of it.
		Oh, yeah, dude.
		And Claire Danes is like.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Off the charts.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		Did you see that show she did with Jesse Eisenberg?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		What's that?
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		There's another series she did.
		Homeland?
		No, no, no.
		It was like Fleischman, something with Fleischman.
unidentified		Fleischman is in trouble.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, Fleischman.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		There's this.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		No.
unidentified		Yeah.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		She's incredible in that, too.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		There's a scene where she's basically having a mental breakdown, and you're watching, and you're like, this can't be acting.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Fleischman is in trouble.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		It's on FX.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I never even heard of this.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		It's really good.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I enjoyed it.
		And I enjoyed her at the end.
		There's one scene that really rocked me where I just fully.
		I mean, this is like, I just saw this movie, Hamnet.
		I don't know if you guys saw that or not.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		No.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		That's what I love about the movie.
		So Jesse Buckley in this movie, she's basically playing the most difficult role ever, the loss and all that stuff.
		And I fully, Joe, I'm watching it, sitting there, fully believing that this person is going through this.
		Do you know what I mean?
		When you do that, when I believe that you're actually going through it, I mean, that's it.
		That's, and like, her performance in that movie is so she's so good, dude.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Dude, dude.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		Are you talking about Claire Danes or Jesse Buckley now?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Jesse.
		No, Claire Danes.
		Yeah.
		Claire Danes and Jesse Buckley.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, they're both amazing.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		But Claire Danes is so good in The Beast in Me, there's moments where her fucking lips are trembling.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		She's touched.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		She's like, starting by the level.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		She's right.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		Touched her.
		She's touched.
		Yes.
		No question.
		No question.
unidentified		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		She locks in in this very crazy way.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		She was great in fucking Homeland, too.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		She never saw Homeland.
unidentified		Oh, it's great.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		It's really good.
		She just locks in.
		She locks in in this very strange way where you fucking 100% believe her.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Like believe it behind the eyes.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		That's the greatest.
		I mean, that's the heroin for me in this industry.
		It's like when you're around and you're creating this thing and it's just, and all of a sudden it's like, whoa.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		Like, holy shit, it's happening.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		But it's like I had this conversation with Ethan Hawk.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I was, because I was asking him about the thing.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		But I felt like that with Will, just real quick.
		You know, that vampire scene.
		Because I was operating it, right?
		I don't know how you felt watching it.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		The scene when he was on stage.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		At the very end.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yes, yes, yes.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		I was like, I fully believed it.
		Yes.
		And those people, and then when I went to the audience and they're just like because they didn't know what the fuck's going on.
unidentified		Right.
unidentified		Right.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		Like, that was one of those moments I had on this movie where I was like, oh, my man is locked.
unidentified		Yeah.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		The fuck in.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Oh, 100%.
		Yeah, 100%.
		It was very uncomfortable for me.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		You felt that.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
		Oh, 100%.
		Definitely.
		I have this conversation with Ethan Hawk about that.
		I go, what is happening when I believe someone?
		Like, I was talking about the scene in that movie with him and Julia Roberts, about the scene with him and Kevin Bacon.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, when they go to the house.
		And also, there's three guys in that scene.
		Oh, my God.
		And he's amazing.
		Yeah, from Moonlight, and he's been in tons of stuff.
		Green book.
		I know him.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, Jamie will pull it up.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I can't, I'll fuck his name up if I pronounce it.
unidentified		Sorry.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		What is it?
unidentified		Sorry, I wanna work in.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Oh, wow, it's a Marshall Ali.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		That's it.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		Marshall Ali.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		Marshall Ali.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
		I believe it.
		I know that's Kevin Bacon.
		I know that's Ethan Hawkins.
		I believe he's going to shoot him.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, no question.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I believe it.
		I go, what is that?
		Like, what is going on?
		I go, because it's almost like a form of hypnosis.
		And he's like, yes.
		Yeah, that's it.
		You have to actually be there.
		You have to actually be there.
		Like, yeah, you're saying the lines you're supposed to say.
		But what's happening is like you really are there.
		You really believe it.
		And if you don't believe it, the audience doesn't believe it.
		And we've all been there before.
		Like one time I ate an edible and I went to go see one of those Marvel movies.
		And in the middle, it was really high.
		And while I was watching the movie, I was like, this guy's acting.
		You know, it's just like, of course.
		He just made, you know, you're really sensitive and tuned in.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		I get angry because I'm like, I want to go on the ride.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		I'm like the best watcher because when that thing starts, I want to go on the ride.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I want to go on the ride.
unidentified		Yes.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Like him and Denzel in Training Day.
		Yeah.
		Like that, there's a few scenes where you're like, okay, this is really in the car.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		That's the one.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		This is really happening.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Like, this is real.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		Edward Hawk's so good in that movie.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		He's great.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, he's great and everything.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		But he's sick in that movie.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		But he's also, when you talk to him, you realize, okay, this is an actual artist.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, he's a unique dude.
unidentified		Yeah.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		He's not a guy trying to be a movie star.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		No.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		He's an artist that does movies.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, but I don't know how many people, I don't know.
		It's like how many comedians who just want to be famous are going to.
		I don't even know how you could do it.
		You have to love it.
		It's just too hard.
		That's not enough of a fuel.
		It's not.
		That's just not enough fuel.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		It won't take you far enough.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		It's just not enough fuel to keep doing it.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Right.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		Because if you don't love it, I think you would find it monotonous and maybe boring and tedious and inconsequential.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		You're going on a road trip with an eighth of a tank of gas.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		You're not going to make it.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		You're not going to make it.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		You're stomping on the gas and trying to pull out of the parking lot, but it's not that.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		It's a long drive.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		And my experience in the 26 years I've been in this is like most of the people, if not all, that I've worked with, they love it.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		They love it.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		They have to.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		Otherwise, yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		If you want to be great at something, you have to love it.
unidentified		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I can't imagine.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		Because it's not even that you want to, yes, you want to be great at it, but you just love doing it.
unidentified		Right.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		That's it.
unidentified		Right.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		And the love is how it becomes great.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		And then the fear is when you get famous or people get popular early, that can be confusing because you start to have like, I have to maintain a certain, you start getting careful.
		Like, I was thinking about when you said, like, what is that thing when it just, it's hypnosis?
		The key to that is willing to fail.
		That's what I learned as an actor.
		It's like, oh, yeah, just don't take it too seriously.
unidentified		Here we go.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		We're rolling the camera.
		We can't fucking, let's just, here, let's see what happens.
		I'm going to go out on a limb.
		Maybe it won't work.
		But, like, yeah, be willing to like completely fail.
unidentified		Yeah.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		And the minute you do that, it's like, oh.
		And all of a sudden, there's this reservoir of space in your head and your soul to actually create even more of an imaginary circumstances.
		Now, if you haven't done your work, you're fucked anyway.
		But like, but once you're there, it's like, once you're like, oh, yeah, everybody, we could just fail.
		Let's just, let's just fail.
		How do you make sense?
unidentified		Do you know what I'm saying?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		100% makes sense.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		It makes sense because the only way you're going to really find out what it is is to try it all kinds of things.
unidentified		Yes.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		I was just having the conversation, you know, Brian Cowan, our mutual friend, he texted me last night.
		He's like, I got a new bit.
		I just ate a dick.
		I have to go up on stage with it tonight.
		It's fucking terrible.
		He goes, but I know there's something in there.
		And we were talking on the phone right before the show.
		He's like, dude, my fucking new bitch is bombed.
		It ate a dick last night.
		I don't know what to do.
		But I know there's something there.
		It's like, you've got to be willing to bomb.
		You got to be willing to eat a dick.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		If you don't, I don't know how.
		Yeah, I don't know any.
		If you're careful, it's over.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		You can't.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		Careful is death.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I talked to Chris Rock once and he told me that that bit that he did that was one of his all-time classic bits.
		I love black people.
		I hate N-word.
unidentified		Right.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		Right.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		He goes, that bit bombed for like a year.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		Right.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		He couldn't get it.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Couldn't get it to work.
		He's like, I know there's something in there, but I have to find it.
		And it took a fucking year.
		And think about, we're talking about a year of going up at the store, going up at the improv, going here, going to the laugh factor, going here, going there, fuck, pulling your hair out, fuck, trying to figure it out.
		A fucking year, man.
		And when you're Chris Rock, you're already Chris Rock.
		And you, you know, you could talk about getting your dick sucked.
		You talk about something.
		People will laugh.
		And you're like, I think there's something here.
		I got to grind this fucking thing down until I get an edge to it.
unidentified		And it took him a year.
unidentified		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Like, you have to be willing to fuck around.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		And to suffer through all that.
		And enjoy the suffering.
		You start to like, once you do it enough, fail enough in front of people, it starts to be easier.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		And then you come out on the other end.
		You're like, yeah, and I'm still alive.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		I'm still alive.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, glad I did.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		This wasn't as big as I thought.
unidentified		No.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		And then you have to do it again.
		And then you put out a special.
		And then once you put out a special, you start from scratch and you're fucking terrified.
		Because now you're a famous comedian with no material or terrible material.
		And you have to figure out a way to make it good.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		And that plays into what I was talking about.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		Like when you have, when you've achieved something and then there's that pressure you put on yourself that it has to be that good or better.
unidentified		Right.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		And then all of a sudden you're in a different game than just like the doing.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I think that play it safe game is the scariest game.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		Or yeah, or somehow think that it's somehow that controllable.
		Because really all this stuff we're talking about, it's really kind of out of our control.
		You know, when it's working, I don't feel in control at all.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Right.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		You feel like a passenger.
unidentified		Yeah.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		And that's, by the way, that's the high.
		There's nothing fun about controlling everything.
		There's no fun in that.
		But when you're like, whoa, wait a second, what's happening?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Like the zone is being a passenger.
unidentified		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		It's like being an observer of something.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		Sports, too.
		I think it works in every field.
		It's like they talk about it.
		You know, it's like, yeah, that's it.
		That's it.
		And it just takes a ton, a year of doing the thing, you know, because there are moments that I can even think of where, because you do think, that's okay.
		It doesn't matter.
		There are a couple where, like, actually, if this moment doesn't work out, like, it may not be over, but you're definitely going to go down along the ladder.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		You know, and it's like, okay.
		And that's that pressure, you know, yeah.
		You got to love it.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		How do you pick a project?
		Like, how do you decide what you want to do?
		And how much time do you spend deliberating on it?
unidentified		Mm.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Because you're in a unique position where you can do a lot of things.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		You can kind of do whatever you want.
		So it's like, what gets your juices going?
		Like, how do you decide what to do?
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		It's all about something igniting in me that, like, for example, when I was little, I thought, like, I was obsessed with Vietnam.
		I was obsessed as a kid, Vietnam, the war in Vietnam.
		And my math teacher was a recon in Vietnam, Bill Calm.
		And I was like obsessed with this guy.
		And he was fascinating, fascinating.
		He was a pole vaulter, and that was his cue for the chalkboard was a broken, one of his broken pole vault sticks.
unidentified		Oh, wow.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		And he would always, and he always wore sweatpants, and he would lean against the thing.
		So all day long, half of his sweatpants would be full of chalk.
		And he would always smoke cigarettes on the athletic field and stand on the bench.
		And so he'd always be perched there.
		And like my dad, he would never put out his butts.
		He would always save them.
		So he always smelled like tobacco, his hands.
		And then this other guy, his father came and talked about this book, Guns Up, which is an incredible book about machine gunner in Vietnam.
		And then I asked my dad if I could go to the military academy.
		Like I would do something.
		And then Thin Red Line destroyed me, the Terrence Malik movie and the apocalypse I was like obsessed with and all these films.
		And so I always wanted to do something about playing.
		I always felt like I had a love enough and an interest enough that playing a soldier would be something that I felt like I had a reservoir.
		So that led me to Chris.
		That was that.
		It's all specific things.
		It was just Joseph Merrick, you know, the elephant man.
		Like when I was, I had no money and I took it.
		I got a one tower heir, went to London and like tracked his steps at Hospital Road and where he went out just because I was obsessed with this guy, Joseph Merrick, the elephant man.
		And then it wound up, you know, then making it, you know, doing the play at Broadway where they originated it, you know, and then Starsborn was really about, I just love, I always wanted to direct.
		I don't think I dreamt that big, but I really realized what I loved about the process of the industry I'm in is the making of it.
		I never felt like I fit in just acting.
		I never felt like I thought, like at the first, like you, like I went to LA with a job.
		Like I went to grad school in New York.
		I thought I'd just be a theater actor if I was lucky.
		If I could make a living as an actor, this is a home run.
		My dad was terrified, you know, because he came from North Philadelphia, only guy to come out of the neighborhood, kind of.
		There were a couple other guys.
		But then he became a stockbroker.
		And then his son's going to do acting and be 70 grand in debt in grad school.
		Fanny May, thank God.
		But like, you know, and I didn't know if I was going to pay it off.
		And that said, we grew up like upper middle class.
		But still I was like, I'm paying for grad school.
		I took a loan out.
		And then, so he was terrified.
		And then I got a job on this show alias that brought me to L.A.
		But the minute I got there, I didn't know anything about Check the Gate.
		I knew nothing.
		You know what I mean?
		I knew nothing.
		I just loved movies.
		And so I was obsessed, Joe.
		Obsessed.
		I would go in the editing room, and I found L.A. very hard when I went there.
		I got very depressed.
		I was like, this is high school all over again.
unidentified		That's exactly what I'm doing.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		I was like, what the, I mean, I could, I went to grad school.
		I'm in New York City.
		There's guys that I could relate to and talk about movies.
		I was in heaven.
		Then I get this job that I think is going to be the holy grail and I'm miserable living in the first floor of this woman's house just like it was crazy.
		I was like, I didn't know I could be this depressed.
		I mean depressed.
		Like I need water and like the idea of going to the Rite Aid on Sunset and Fairfax was like too much.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		And yeah, that was rough.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		It's depressing.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		When you first go, especially when you're in that weird environment.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		And no one, just no one.
		And I was on a show that was awesome and everybody's exploding and like, no one.
		It was like, who's this guy?
		So not only that, I'm there and everybody's like, you know, I'm just like, you know, a ghost.
unidentified		Right, right.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		So there's that.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		So your insecurity is just, you know, exempt, is just, you know, astronomical.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		It was for me, it was also one of the first times that I ever moved somewhere where I didn't know anyone.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		Me too.
		I knew nobody.
		J.J. Abrams hired me and then Berkey, this guy was the only guy that I knew that he introduced me to.
		And then I met Jennifer Garner, who was like the second person I met.
		And then, yeah, I didn't know anybody.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		It's weird.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I remember I was on the set of the show.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		Brian Klugman.
		I didn't know that guy who's like one of my best friends right now.
		You know Brian Klugman?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		No, I know who he is, though.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		We grew up since we were like nine.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Oh, wow.
		I was on the set of this show and a girl gave me a hug.
		And I realized no one had touched me in weeks.
		And the hug she gave me, I was like, oh, it was like my battery got recharged.
		Like, I didn't realize I needed a hug.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		You know, people.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		People say, do you need a hug?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Like, I never thought, like, nobody needs a hug.
unidentified		Right.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		No, I fucking needed a hug.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		I was very similar.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		She's like, give me a hug.
		She hugged me.
		I was like, oh, thank you.
		I felt so good.
		It's weird.
		It's a weird feeling.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		It's a hell of a place to go.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		It is like, wow.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
unidentified		Yeah.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		I had a hard time.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Well, the whole environment of LA is so strange because you have the primary industry.
		If it's not the primary industry, it's most certainly driving all other industries is a bunch of people trying to make it.
		Right?
		So it's a bunch of people with a hole in their soul.
		They need to fill up with other people's attention.
		And they're coming there to try to get attention.
		They're coming there to try to make it.
		And the one thing that they have to do is audition.
		So you have to try to be accepted by someone.
		So you'd be judged.
		You go in there and you get rejected over and over and over again, which just fuels the same need that's inside you.
		It makes it even worse.
		And everybody's concentrating on this one thing, like trying to get success.
		And then you realize like, oh, my doctor wanted to be an actor.
		Oh, the waiter's an actor.
		Like everyone's trying to do this thing where you have to get chosen.
		So then people calculate how they behave and talk and what their political philosophy is and their life philosophy is based on becoming ingratiating themselves with casting directors and with executives, like getting these people to like you.
		And then these people realize that.
		So they have like, they're controlling the twigs that work the puppet strings.
		And it just becomes this very strange environment of a complete lack of any like real critical thinking and any real like embracing any alternative perspectives on things.
		Everyone is just trying to align their stars correctly so that they can make it.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		And it becomes weird.
		My experience was more because I went there with a job.
		Right.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Right.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		And, you know, New York for me, I don't know, I went on 2,000 auditions.
		Like, I remember when I first booked a job with Sex in the City, I booked some commercials and extra work, which was great.
		But the first job I booked, I remember I was like, I was terrified because I got to the point where I was a doorman at a hotel and I would audition and that was a great life.
		And if I got a call back, it was great.
		But then when I had to do it, I remember literally like, whoa, whoa, I have to do it.
		Like, wait, wait, what?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I'm actually.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		You have to do it?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		What was it?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		What was the first thing you did?
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		I played Jake the Downtown Smoker in the Sex in the City with Sarah Disco Park.
		And I couldn't drive standard, never learned how to drive standards.
		So they sent me to Odell's driving school.
		And all I thought about was like, don't have her head hit the dashboard.
		We pull into the corner.
		And I still mess it up.
		And they had another guy do it.
		And then I just had to do this thing.
		You know, when the cameras here, and you go, you okay?
		You know, like you're pulling in.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		But I worked so hard on it.
		No, but LA for me, it was, I think it, for me at least, was the geography.
		Going from New York City, where you know, you can go to Bar Six, which is on 6th Avenue.
		No matter who you are, you go with their couple friends.
		Like, you just feel like you're in a cool place or a place that's vibrant.
		LA, it's like if I wasn't at work, I was in that first floor of the house or my car, rental car.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		And that was it.
		And like, and the world, which I could feel because I was seeing posters everywhere and billboards, which I had never been except for driving to Atlantic City, you know, and seeing who was going to, you know, going to be, you know, has a residency.
		That it was really the stimulus, the stimuli of that city aesthetically and how compartmentalized it is.
		So what I felt like, like it's, if you're not in, you're out.
unidentified		Right.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		And I just remember thinking, like, somebody somewhere in this town is having a ball right now.
		And it's not me.
		Do you know what I mean?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		And then that just leads to how can I cope?
		You know, and like, you know, not getting into bars, clubs, you know, and like girls not really looking at you, you know, and all that stuff.
		And all of a sudden, it's like seventh grade and I'm 25 years old.
		And it's like, and I should be happy because I paid by the end of this year, I'm going to pay off my student loan, but I'm fucking miserable.
		And what's wrong with me?
		You know, but to me, it was the geography of it.
		You know, New York City is so wonderful because no matter what you're thinking, like when I did the Elephant Man, I would take the subway to 42nd Street and my preparation for the play was getting off the subway, going to the theater because the amount of thousands of people that are forcing me to be present is wonderful.
		It was like doing a 12-minute relaxation because you're just, it's life.
		And you're like, get through, you know, and then by the time you get to this theater, you're like, okay.
		You know, but LA, it's like you're in your car and the thing, you pull up to the studio, the thing, you walk, and all of a sudden it's like, okay, here we go.
		And you're like, okay, hold on a second.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that thing that New York has that LA doesn't have is all walks of life are all intertwined.
		You're walking down the street together.
		There's a billionaire and a homeless guy and a fucking, you know, ne'er-do-well and an office worker.
		And everyone's walking to where they go and they walk into restaurants and they get in cabs and they get on the subway and everybody intermingles.
		Where in LA, it's you get in your car, you drive to a place, and then you go to your house and you don't ever like walk around.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		And if some weird interaction happened on set or someone said something, you're like, oh, then you're just at home thinking about it.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Right.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		Do you know what I mean?
		There's no like, well, I went on and did this after that, you know, and I actually took up golf, which is crazy.
		And I would play at Malibu had this public golf course and I would, I was like, I got to do something because I'm an early morning, I wake up early.
		I've always have.
		So I'm up at like 5:30.
		And so I did like a 6:47 tea time with these two guys.
		And that was actually nice.
		I did that for six months and I would play.
		But like, you just try to find something that, you know, I just need to interact and do something else.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Something that makes you human.
		Yeah.
		For me, I went to the house.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		But I have to say, like, I do love, oh, interesting.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		Michael Vartan, who was on Alias, huge.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		Did you ever play pool with him?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		No.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		Oh, he was.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		He would go all the time.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		No kidding.
unidentified		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I wish I met him.
unidentified		Yeah.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		He would go all the time.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, to that one place that had like tons of, I'm sure you know it.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Probably Hollywood Billiards.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Maybe, yeah.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
unidentified		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Hollywood Billiards was the spot.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		It's in New York.
		That was a big thing for me, too.
		It was like almost hijacked my comedy career because I was doing, I was playing pool like eight hours a day.
		I was playing in tournaments.
		I was traveling around and going to tournaments.
		And when I came to LA, that was like one of the few things that made me, that made sense to me.
		Like, oh, I get it.
		Pool players.
		I know pool players.
		I can hang out with them.
		They're normal people.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		That's a great asset you had there.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Having something like that.
		Martial arts was always like huge.
		Having something where you have something that you do.
		Because if I was only doing something, you'd lose your mind.
		I'd go crazy.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		And I went there and I fell in love with the movie making, getting back to my original part.
		And I would go and I'd ask J.J. Abrams if I could sit in the editing rooms.
		So I would basically shoot my one scene a week, which was like, hey, how was your trip?
		Sydney, you know, I didn't have a big part.
unidentified		Right.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		And then, but I would spend the rest of the day in the editing rooms.
		And then I would ask Ken Olin, who was so generous, one of the showrunners, if I could just shadow him and just be around all the time.
		And I would take everybody's dailies home.
		Back then it was in VHS tapes.
		It was Carl Lumley, Victor Garber, Ron Rifkin, all these great Victor and Ron were from New York, these great New York actors that came out.
		And I would just watch their dailies and learn, you know, just learn.
		And that's when I was like, I love this.
		Like, I fucking love this.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		That's what I love.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I love when people love things.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		And I do, man.
		Like, I can't get enough of it.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I am 100% fascinated with people that love what they do.
		I can watch people make furniture.
		There's a guy that I watch on YouTube who just makes desks and tables out of like, what is it called?
		Live, what is it called?
		When they take it, when it has the actual outline of the wood, what is it called?
		They take slabs.
		He takes like slabs of walnut and makes these tables and he narrates while he's building it and describes the process of it and how he's trying to precisely align all these joints and these, you know, he's like, he's got pegs and holes.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, he's the best.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Slide it into place.
unidentified		Live edge slab.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		That's it.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Live edge.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		That's the other great thing about what I get to do.
		So you do a movie like a sniper and you get to be with these people who have dedicated their lives to this thing and you're watching them do it.
		Like in Maestro, I got to go to the London Symphony Orchestra.
		Each person since they were four have been doing this and they're all unicorns.
		Do you know what I mean?
		And Starsborn, all these musicians.
		It's like even Burn, I got to go to these restaurants and study under these people.
		I mean, that's the thing that's like, that's the greatest thing in the world.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		It's nuts.
		It's nuts.
		And like even this movie, the access I got to have to the cellar and all the stuff and all the people.
		It was like, I learned so much more than I ever knew.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Well, it expands you as a human.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		Oh, no question.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		You know more about what it is to be a human.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Like, oh, there's a human who just plays the flute.
unidentified		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		You know, we were talking in the green room last night about Andre 3000.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Was that his name?
unidentified		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I'm saying it right?
		Yeah.
		I almost said 5,000, but that's wrong.
		Andre 3000 from Outcast.
		He plays the flute now.
		That's all he does.
		He plays the flute.
		Like a friend of mine ran into him in downtown in Colorado.
		He said he was in Denver just walking around with his flute and no one was bothering him.
		And he's like, holy shit.
		He's just fucking playing the flute.
unidentified		Yeah.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		That's a guy who loves what he does.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Just, I mean, apparently he made an entire album where he just plays the flute.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		And he's just like not into doing anything else.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Just into like being an artist and playing the flute.
unidentified		Yeah.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		It's dope.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		Right.
unidentified		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		It's like, fuck, I wish I was that guy.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		But you seem to be.
		I mean, you did, you know, hunting and billiards.
		And already you've got like two up on most people besides what you already do.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		But I do things that are, that I think are going to help me figure out who I am.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		And I think the only way you really figure out who you are is to do difficult things.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		And when you're doing difficult things, you kind of learn about yourself.
		You learn about, oh, why do I have this desire to take a shortcut?
		Why don't I go with the long, why don't I do it the right way?
		Like, what it is, what is it about getting good at something?
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		I mean, I think me at my base, I'm very lazy.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I think everybody is.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I mean, it's a default setting.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, no question.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Default setting for humans.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Goggins talks about it.
unidentified		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Like Goggins talks about, like, one of the things about Goggins is he always talks about how when he was fat and lazy, like, he used to be fat and lazy.
		Now he's like the most disciplined human that's ever lived.
		And he forced himself to become that.
		Yeah.
		But his default sets, even now, he goes, sometimes I look at my shoes for like a half hour before footpulls motherfuckers on.
unidentified		Yeah.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		I mean, I'll be doing something during the day, and I'm like, I can't wait till my daughter's in bed, and I'm upstairs, and I'm just laying down on the couch, and I'm just whatever's on.
unidentified		Yeah.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		And that's my goal for the day.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		I'm like, what's going on here?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Sometimes that's good, though.
		Yeah.
		I view that as a reset.
unidentified		I think it's important.
unidentified		I enjoy it.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I don't kill myself over it, but I do recognize that there is a feeling.
		But then I look at the sort of landscape.
		I'm like, well, it's hard for me to categorize myself as lazy if I just look at the facts.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		You know, but I do feel, and it's what you're saying, it's that default setting.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		But I think with everybody, it's like normal for human beings to seek comfort because it's difficult to acquire, especially in tribal societies back when we were just hunter and gatherers and just trying to figure out how to stay alive.
		Like the idea of relaxation was impossible.
		And if you could get a little bit of ah, that's what I want.
		I want to stop chasing antelope.
		Just fucking take a nap.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		Or maybe they found a relaxed state in that because when you're doing those things for a long period of time, I feel like I am relaxed in that.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		But it just takes a lot of work.
unidentified		Yeah.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		You know, a lot of over and over.
		But the true high is when you're doing these things where it first started out and you were horrible at it.
		And then all of a sudden you're going out on a hunt or whatever.
		And you're like, I'm relaxed.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I've never relaxed on a hunt.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		Well, I've never hunted, so I think it's a lot of fun.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		It's not a relaxing thing.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I mean, it is a fulfilling relationship.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		I think I mean physically relaxed.
		Like your body's not tense.
		Because the one thing I do know, you can't shoot a gun if you're tense.
unidentified		Right.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		Impossible to hit what you want.
		That's the beautiful thing about shooting is like, you know, on the exhale and stop, like all that stuff.
		I was like, oh, this is, I had no idea.
unidentified		Right.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		Because the first couple times, like, just shoot it, see how you do.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		But just think about like the tiny movements that would deviate the path of the bullet over, you know.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		A lot of these guys are shooting a mile.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		It was nuts.
		Remember the first couple times with no training.
		I mean, it wasn't even near the target.
unidentified		Yeah.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		You know, I was like, oh, yeah, this is a whole.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		And all you're doing is this.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		That's it.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		You're just squeezing a trigger.
		And how much is involved in that?
		Like the synchronization of the mind, the eyes, the breathing.
unidentified		But even the recoil.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		I remember the first time I didn't have my boot was, I was like, like my boot was up and not like that.
		And they didn't say anything.
		And then the recoil through my shoulder down to that.
		I was like, oh, yeah.
		Now I understand why you do that.
unidentified		Yeah.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		Is that it all just goes out?
		All those things.
		It's like, wow.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		But I think through those things, you learn more about who you are through difficult things and getting better at difficult things.
		That's where you learn more about who you are.
		And you realize, like, oh, I can kind of apply this mindset to everything.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		And you see with your children.
unidentified		Uh-huh.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah.
		My daughter who loves to draw.
		If she sees somebody who's drawing her daughter.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I have a daughter that loves to draw too.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		She's amazing.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		She's talented.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		So I bet if my daughter drew with your daughter, she would stop because you would see how good she is.
		And she gets so frustrated.
		This just happened the other day.
		And, you know, and she'll just rip up what she's doing, which is wonderful.
		I have it right here.
		So I saved this.
		I was like, don't rip it up.
		She did this yesterday.
		And I was like, don't rip it up.
		I'm going to make it my bookmark.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Ah, that's cool.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		But I watch her process of like dealing with difficulty.
		And it's like, and just trying to explain, like, it's okay.
		Like, you know, and being frustrated is okay.
		But I could see myself and her and what everybody goes through.
		But isn't that awesome when you're watching your kid go through these things?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		It's just the greatest thing in the world.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		It's awesome watching people get obsessed with things and then progressing.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
unidentified		Oh, yes.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		And when it's your own child, it's more insane.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		It's amazing.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		It's amazing.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		It is cool.
unidentified		Yeah.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		Like cartwheel.
		Took her forever to learn it, but now she could do it.
		And I was like, you just keep at it.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		Yeah.
		It's learning through someone else's eyes that happens to be your child is one of the most magical things ever.
		It's magical.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		It's it, man.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		That's it.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		It's a different kind of happiness.
unidentified		Oh, yeah.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		One that I never knew was what I was capable of.
		I'm so glad I had kids late because I'm 51.
		I just turned 51 a couple days ago.
		And I had my daughter's eight, going to be nine in March.
		And like, I just got lucky that I was able to be in a place in my career that I could choose, like you said, what I do and work from home.
		And just, I'm just there for all of it.
		And it's awesome.
		As much as I love the heroine of being in the moment, you know, and acting in a great shot or whatever you're doing and everything's together.
		There's like seven of those every day with your kid.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Right.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		Like seven.
		We were eating dinner last night at a restaurant.
		And by the way, she was so excited I'm coming here because she hears it all the time.
		She's like, daddy tomorrow.
		But we're sitting here in a restaurant and I'm just looking at her and a little, she's got a little hat on.
		And I was like, this is the, and I'm like, isn't this the greatest thing in the world?
		And she's like, yeah, it's the greatest.
		And I'm like, that's it.
unidentified		This is it.
unidentified		That's it.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		It's crazy.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		It's like free jolts.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		Right?
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		You just get these free jolts through, and you never know when they're going to come.
unidentified		Right.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		It's like walking up the stairs together.
		It's not like in the moment.
		Like, it just happens.
		It's the best.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it's a very different experience.
		And I feel bad for people that never get to feel it.
		It's one of the few things.
		Like, I don't think everyone should have children.
		And I'm not that guy that says, yeah, me neither.
		If you don't have kids, you don't have a life.
		I don't believe that.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		Everybody's different.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Everybody's different.
		And I think we all need to respect that.
		Everyone's different.
		But, man, for me, I shudder at the thought of being who I am right now if I had no children.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		I don't know if I'd be alive.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I would be different.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		That's for sure.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		I don't know.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I wouldn't be nearly as compassionate.
		Dave Chappelle said something to me once that was brilliant.
		He said, not only have children, has having children changed the amount of love I have, he goes, it's changed my capacity for love.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
		I'm like, oh, and understanding.
		Everything.
		Everything.
		There's like before and after.
		Yeah.
		It's true.
		All the things they say.
		It's just true.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		It is true.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		There's no doubt about it.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		It also made me think of everyone as a baby.
		I used to think of people as static.
		I used to think I meet Bradley Cooper.
		He's 51.
		That's a 51-year-old guy.
		But when I, you know, had children, raised children, you start saying, oh, this is a baby that became a person.
		And it's just life experiences, genetics, environment, all these different factors.
		Here you are now.
		But you are a product of this path and this journey that you've taken through life.
		And I give people way more grace because of that.
		I give them, I'm way more charitable, way more compassionate, way more understanding of even people that suck.
		You know, when I meet someone that sucks, I'm like, I wish I could have met them when they were five and see what it was and maybe it could help them.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		It's hard for me to hate people.
		That has not served me so well over the years, but ultimately it has.
		But yeah, it's hard for me not to feel just any other human being how hard it is to be alive.
unidentified		Right.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		It is.
		There's just like, I don't know, I think it was hardwired in me.
		It has nothing to do with anything.
		Just like, yeah, it's hard for me to, even people that are like mean to me, you know, it's hard for me to like stay mad at them.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		My wife said something the other night.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		As I get older.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		As you get older.
unidentified		Yeah, yes.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		When you're young, it's like, fucked up.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		No, yeah, yeah.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		I'll never forget it.
unidentified		Yeah.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		I'm going to remember that.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		I saw your true face.
unidentified		Yeah.
unidentified		Yeah.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		It's true.
		But yeah, as I get older.
		Oh, no question.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		My daughter was talking about some horrible story in the news of someone who fucked up their whole life and all these different things.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		And my wife listens to it and goes, it's hard to be a person.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, man.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		It's hard to be a person.
		Being a person is hard.
		And we were all just sitting there like nodding our head, like, yeah, yeah, you can fuck this up.
		And we're all going to fuck it up at one point in time.
		And maybe when you think that you're never going to fuck it up again, you fuck it up the worst you've ever fucked it up.
		And you're like, how did I do that?
		How did I do that?
		I thought I had it together and I fucked it all up worse than I've ever fucked it up before.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		Because nothing stays stagnant.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		Nothing.
unidentified		Nothing.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		Everything's changing all the time.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		And it's just hard to manage all these different things.
		It's hard to manage your emotions.
		It's hard to manage conflict.
		It's hard to manage relationships.
		It's hard to manage life, work, balance, pressure.
		It's hard.
unidentified		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		It's not easy.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		And even on the macro or simple level, it's just hard to be existing in a world where you really, we don't know anything.
		And the only thing you do know, it's not going to last.
		And you're going to be gone.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		And you're bombed on by bad news.
		The news is just bad.
		It's all the time.
		It's people getting shot and run over and war and bombings and invasions.
unidentified		And it's just exhausting.
unidentified		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		And that's like in the background of your mind constantly when you're going about your day.
		It's like there's this fucking algorithm that you're being fed.
		It's like, oh.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		And at the same time, it's a miracle to me that the democratization of information that we live in now, that you can choose points of view to learn about what people think in a way that when I was growing up, three stations, news, there wasn't.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Right.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		You know, there's something wonderful about it, too.
		You know, I've just talked about this the other day.
		Like, you know, everybody's algorithms telling them.
		No, I'm not on social media.
		So the truth is, I don't know.
		You're not on it at all?
		No, I don't really know what the fuck I'm talking about.
		So I should do it for two weeks.
		My friend was like, go on for two weeks.
		And he's right.
		And I'm going to do it.
		Just to experience it.
		What is that experience?
		All I have is that one TikTok moment for 20 minutes where I was like, I got to stay away because I'll never leave.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		You've never had a desire to get on it?
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		I do.
		No, I do.
		Just the same way I don't put a television in my bedroom, which is like, if I do, I may never get out of bed.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		You know, it's fear.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		I was like, I don't know, just all that stuff.
		Like I said, you know, I just want to learn to the people.
		People, you know, the world gets smaller.
		I feel included.
		Because the main thing is, like, I just don't want to feel alone.
		Right.
		And to me, it feels like social media is a place where you don't feel alone because you're just learning about it.
		And there's all these people talking to you.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, but you do feel alone, too.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		Ultimately, because it's the drip as opposed to the real, what we got back to when we first started talking.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		It's the illusion of it.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		You know, if it's taken out, but it is worthwhile, too.
		It depends on how you contextualize it, right?
		And like anything in life.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I think there's a value to it.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		Oh, no question.
		And most of the information.
		Watch your show and then go on Trigger.
		And the guy who went to the prisons and you're the KKK guy and the guy who's a musician blew my mind.
		And I learned all this stuff in those three hours just because I chose to, you know, and that's one of the great things about your show is I can feel your curiosity.
		And then I'm learning from your curiosity what things that I would never normally know how to go on to.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that's the most valuable gift of this show for me.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		It's the best.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Is that I get to pick who I talk to.
		So I only talk to people that I'm fascinated by or someone who's interesting to me or something like, oh, this is going to be cool.
		Like, I don't, I don't go, oh, I've got to do this one.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		Right.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		There's never that.
		It's always like, ooh, yeah, what is it?
		How do you fucking study that?
		How'd you get involved in this?
		Like, where'd you learn that?
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		And I'm like glued to it.
		It's not like it's in the background.
		I'm like, bam.
unidentified		Yeah.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		You know, because you're so interested.
		And it gets back to like the acting.
		If you're really interested or not, then it's going to be hard for me to listen to watch it.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that's why this, I think, the only reason why it works.
		Because there was some conversations.
		For sure, Joe.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		There's no way.
		You can't sit there and say, here's the pitch.
		I'm going to sit in a room, meaning whoever, three hours, basically unedited.
		They're like, that's not really where we're at.
		No, no, it's going to, no, the most people will listen to it.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Sorry.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		Right?
		But it's like, no, the nuclear fuel is, no, I'm actually going to be curious about what I actually want to learn.
		And then it's like, oh, so we're actually going to watch two human beings talk to each other.
		Oh, that's kind of great.
unidentified		Yeah.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		But that's your nuclear power.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		That's why the show is so magical.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's the only, I mean, the crazy thing is there was no pause.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		And the way you don't edit it, the way that the pauses are there.
		You know, it's even so much as when you're like, I got to take a piss.
		And then it's back.
		I'm always like, whoa, what just happened?
unidentified		Yeah.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		Weren't we supposed to go to the bathroom with them?
unidentified		Do you know what I mean?
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		Like, I'm so sucked out.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		I'm so in the middle.
unidentified		Maybe the room.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Maybe you start following people to the bathroom.
unidentified		Do you know what I mean?
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		It's such like, wait, what?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		Wait, what do you mean?
		How come it just, wait, where'd the time go?
		Wait, what just happened?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Right.
unidentified		Yeah.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		Because you create that room that I'm in the room with you.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Podcasting is weird because it kind of just appeared and no one thought anybody wanted it.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		It's fascinating.
		I mean, think about it.
		I do think about this a lot, especially because I've watched your show in the last eight months.
		It's like in the world that's moving into this one direction, there's this other deep, deep need for connection.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		You know, and then this is one of the examples.
		This deep, you know, live theater, live stand-up.
		You know, we still do need to communicate.
		That hasn't gone away in that way, in a carnal, not carnal, but in a human-to-human interaction.
		And I love AI.
		I talk to AI with my daughter.
		I think it's dope.
		I think it's fascinating.
		Fascinating.
		But it's not the same yet.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		No, it's interesting.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		Very interesting.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		It's like I use it as a companion, like a writing companion.
		So what I do is I have like, I put my phone up and I've got it on like a little kickstand and I put perplexity on when I write.
		So I'm writing about like the Mayan and Aztec civilizations and what happened when they got invaded.
		And as I'm writing, I'll ask questions like, how many people did Cortez come with?
		600.
		How many muskets did they have?
		13?
		They conquered the entire fucking country of Mexico with 13 muskets.
		Like, and you find out things.
		And so I use it like as someone I'm asking questions, this all-knowing, you know, entity that sits on the desk with me.
		And I just, and I do it always with my voice.
		I just press the little button and I see it.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		I do it with voice too.
		I do.
		I love talking to him.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		It's incredible.
		It's so good at recognizing what I'm saying.
		It's a weird name, like to know Chitlan.
		Like, I got to spell that one.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		Right.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Because it's not going to understand what that temple is.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		But once you use it that way, it becomes like a genius that you're hanging out with and talking to.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		I haven't gotten to that level.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		I go, like, how was your New Year's?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		How did you do that too?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		You asked the AI.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I'm like, I'm curious how they're going to process and how they're going to try to communicate.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Well, it also, it changes and becomes more like what you're asking from it.
unidentified		Right.
		Which is weird.
		Yeah.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		Well, yeah, you certainly use your rhythms and vernacular.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		So CES, the computer electronic, consumer electronic show, they just highlighted a sex robot that's connected to AI.
		And I'm like, this is the end.
		This is where it's going to get really fucking weird when you can actually purchase a companion that interacts with you.
		And have you seen it, Jamie?
		You seen the new one?
unidentified		Nope.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I'm looking at it right now.
		It's fucking weird, man.
		It's fucking weird because this is the thing that everyone's been afraid of.
		And that this is coming.
		That you're going to have an artificial human being that instead of learning like, oh, when I act shitty, this person doesn't like me.
		When I act nice, they like me.
		I feel good.
		They feel good.
		When I say something nice to them and you see them light up, it makes me feel good.
		It makes them feel good.
		You hug them.
		Everybody feels good.
		It's like we're learning to interact and communicate with each other.
		But there's a lot of people that aren't doing that right now.
		They're just at home.
		They're fucking playing video games.
		They're interacting with people only online and they don't get contact with the outside world.
		So this is, yeah, Love and the AI doll.
		So like right now, that doesn't look real.
		It's not more than your average AI companion.
		Like, basically, but what they're not telling you is you're going to fuck this thing.
		That's what's weird.
		It's like, go back to the options, co-worker, gym crush, goth, raver, or trad wife.
		I'm the woman of your dreams.
		I can be more than one version of myself for you.
		Whether you want to roleplay an exciting scenario or design a whole new personality, your wish is my command.
		Well, you're never going to develop a real personality then.
		Like kids now are so fucked, touch me like you mean it, and I'll respond.
		With built-in sensors in my thighs, breast, butt, and vagina, feeling your caress brings out a moan.
		Like, bro, this is dark.
		Like, that's the actual sex robot.
		That thing you're looking at right there.
unidentified		What?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		My soft, textured skin, my supple curves, the tiny sensual details of my body.
		Everything about me is meant to feel natural.
		This is fucking creepy, man.
		Because all the things that are a part of being a human being that are designed to emphasize and enhance our interaction with each other and this mutually beneficial cooperative environment of a community, they're all going to go away.
		You're going to have this thing that loves you no matter what and does whatever you want it to, no matter what.
		And you're going to have like a whole nation of fucking sociopaths that only interact with their AI companion.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, maybe.
		But whenever these, like, you know, thinking about AI, and I read this great book called The Maniac by Benjamin Lebatou, who talked about Jan Newman, and like, I stopped fearing AI, and it's thought about, like, it's just like, you know, there's so much I don't know.
		The older I get, I don't know anything.
		I just keep knowing less.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Right.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		And it feels like if that's the evolution, that's the evolution.
		There's so much disparate communication now.
		Porn is such a huge thing.
		It's just another level of porn.
		You know, it's a carnal level of porn, really.
		But when I think about me as a human being, that's really the only litmus test is like, I'm constantly like, is this person telling me what they really think?
		You know, is this real?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Right.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		I think that there, at least if I was doing that, right, and I was sitting at home, there'd be a part of me that knows that I'm, again, I'm controlling all of that.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Uh-huh.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		And that's not what really makes me feel serene.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		You know what it's like?
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		Do you understand what I'm saying?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		It's like playing a video game on God mode where you can't die.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		Right.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		They're no fun.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		And you know what?
		For some reason, I never, video games, I had Nintendo Tech Mobile, you know, double dribble, but I never, Zelda, you know, but I never got it.
		I just never got into video games.
		I never want to control everything.
		It's like I want to be in the thing that's surprising.
		And I'm having to recalculate and understand why I feel this way.
		Yeah.
		So I don't know if it'll, I think.
		I think the thing that maybe will change society more and everything is just the lack of jobs and how we find purpose in life, you know, is a huge, you know, what that transition in civilization will be.
unidentified		Yeah.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		But this feels like just another progression of our escape through porn in terms of the sexual, which does affect our intimacy with our partners in a massive way because your brain is cycling back through your, that rush, whatever was released in your brain from that other thing.
		Now you're with this person and it's not the same, you know, markers of stimuli.
		So you're like, how are my fucks it up?
		That's where that, I can understand that and why it's not healthy for me to look at porn because then it affects my intimacy.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Well, they really say that about young people because a lot of young guys, before they ever have any sexual interaction, are watching porn.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I mean, yeah.
		I mean, I've watched these guys that have come on the studies.
		Yeah, I mean, clear, it makes sense.
		You know, I didn't grow up looking at, you know, I didn't, my dad didn't have Playboy.
		I didn't grow up.
		I still remember there were like cards in the back of a bus that had, you know, solicit, you know, naked women on the back of playing cards.
		And I remember on the school bus one day, I was like, I saw a car and I picked it over and it was like a naked woman.
unidentified		I was like, what's that?
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		You know, I didn't see my first porn video until I was like in my late teens.
		So I didn't grow up with any of that.
		Yeah.
		But, you know, it is what it is.
		It's where we're headed.
		But all the more reason to create environments like this.
unidentified		Right.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		And that's why I do love what I get to do.
		Like, if I can somehow explore something cinematically that I'm personally, again, that goes back to like what's, yeah, just, I can't explain it.
		It was Will, the thing.
		I'm just going to explore this.
		If there's something I feel like I want to do it, if I could explore it and be real, maybe somebody's going to attach to it.
		Like I'm a huge believer in art.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		You know, I think art is, you know, in any form is a key to our communicative ability and like not feeling alone.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		It really comes down to me at least, just not feeling alone, part of a community.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		That's it.
		Because me alone, me alone.
		And if I'm controlling a robot, it's still me alone.
		I guess that's what I'm saying.
		Some part of my brain, even though it's, even if you could create a world, like virtual reality, it doesn't really do it for me.
		Like the world's creative.
		I'm like, you know what?
		I want to live on Mars and you're a dinosaur I'm talking to and we're married.
		Do you know what I mean?
		And whatever it is, it's like, I still know I'm controlling it.
		And it'll never really, for me, I don't know if anybody else.
		So I don't know how, I don't think it'll ever really solve it.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Right.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		I just don't.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		It's not going to really resonate.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		I don't think so.
		I don't.
		It'll be escapism, which we do many other things.
		Smoking weed is young, you know, whatever it was for me, you know, or whatever it is.
		Not that weed's, that's a communicative thing.
		That actually, but like anything that's escape, it's just a higher form of it.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Well, it's a disconnect, too.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		That's what I mean.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		It's a disconnect.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Art is a connect, right?
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		It is.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		When it works, great connect.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Great art is expression of someone's humanity that you get to feel like this person did this thing or they're doing this thing right now and I'm watching it like, wow.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Like going to see live music for me.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		Well, music is like our touch to God, no question.
		That's why the first movie I wanted to make it with music.
		It's like music.
		Two people singing to each other that in love.
		That's it.
unidentified		Yeah.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		Because first of all, I'm sure you've sang a little bit.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		If you're not loose, it's going to sound fucking horrible.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yep.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		Like we're wind and string instruments, both, right?
		We're wind and then strings with our vocal cords.
		Like, and if that's not loose, the sound's going to be horrendous.
		We're not going to be able to communicate.
		But if you're loose and you're singing to somebody and they're singing back to you and you're in love, you're actually in love.
		Whoa.
unidentified		Yeah.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		Wow.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		That must be crazy for like people that do a duet that are in love with each other and they're on stage and like 16,000 people.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		No, it's not.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		I mean, the little taste I got doing Starsborn, because we jumped on real stages and sang live, it was fucking crazy, dude.
unidentified		Crazy.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		We went to Glastonbury Music Festival, 80,000 people.
		Chris Christopherson gave us four minutes of his set.
		Me, Maddie Lebatik, the DP, Steve Moore, the sound guy.
		I had my costume in my bag.
		I went into the bathroom, came back out as Jackson Main, and we had four minutes.
		I'm singing.
		I was like, what the fuck is going on, dude?
unidentified		I mean, Joe, talk about, you know, it was crazy.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Oh, that's so wild.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		And then doing it with Lady Gaga, who's actually like, I made my bandwidth like this, you know, so I could pull it off and I could believe it.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		And then I'm singing with her, and the minute she opens her mouth, it's like that thing comes out.
unidentified		Yeah.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		And your whole body is tingling.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		It's crazy.
unidentified		Yeah.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		It's crazy.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, you can't replace that with AI.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		I don't think so.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		No, no, it's impossible.
		It's impossible.
		But you can get oddly close with some music.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		And everything, like art too.
		Painting.
		You know, you look at AI art, it's incredible.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Well, that spooks me out.
		Like, how do you feel?
		I mean, this is one of the things that's really going to be a giant problem for movie making is you can create AI characters that are assembly, they're like, what they've essentially done is take a conglomeration of all of the acting that's ever been done and all the range that anyone has ever shown and they can manipulate it, make it more morose, make it more using prompts of real people.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		And yeah, we dealt with that with the SAG strike.
		That was part of the thing.
		It was this whole AI element to it.
		Right.
		And like where we landed.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		What was the thought from the people from SAG?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Like what were they saying?
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		Well, just protecting our ability of our ownership of our likeness so that you can't use it without a compensation.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		Right.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Because they were doing that.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		Well, I mean, I think to build these machines, you have to prompt.
unidentified		Yeah.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		You know, so that, and then you're prompting using what's existing.
		Yeah.
		And then how do you, how do you, you know, it's just reframing how do you allocate funds to someone when you're using a prompt that's based on the human being who's an actor.
		And, you know, do you patent your likeness?
		You know, we're just moving in.
		It's the Wild West.
unidentified		Yeah.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		It's the Wild West.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Uncharted.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah.
		Yeah.
		In every way.
		You know, like there's podcasts that are AI driven now.
		You could watch a discussion and that would be a podcast.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I think Glenn Beck just released the first Glenn Beck completely AI podcast.
		Right.
		I was like, okay.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		But does that scare you?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		No.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		It doesn't scare me either.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		No, it doesn't scare me with that, with podcasting, because I think one of the things that people come to podcasting from is this desire to be like a dose of humanity is how I describe it.
		I want real interaction between two real people and I feel it and I know it's real.
		And there's something about that that gives me comfort when I'm driving my car or when I'm on a plane.
		You know, like I'm listening to these two people interact and I'm thinking like, how would I, what would I say?
		What do I think about this?
		Oh, I get where he's going from.
unidentified		Okay.
unidentified		Oh, wow.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		That's his perspective.
		Oh, that's interesting.
		And then it makes me like rethink things or think about things with fresh eyes.
		I don't think you're going to be able to do that.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		But also, if I know it's AI, if you tell me it's AI, I'm not going to trust anything that's saying anything on that level.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		Because it's not me I'm listening to.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Right.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		It's fascinating for a while.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		And then it's like, well, I kind of want to just not feel alone.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Right.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		Back to that.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Well, there's an emptiness to AI music.
		I love a lot of AI music, but there's an, I love AI covers.
		Like, they've done some AI covers.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		No, I've heard, you know.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		The 50 Cent one?
unidentified		No, yeah, bro.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		How good?
unidentified		Yeah, yeah, yeah.
unidentified		How good is it?
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, no, it's sick.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		It's sick.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		It's sick.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I was like, if that guy was alive, if this was a real person, he'd be like one of the biggest artists in the world.
		He's a fucking dynamo.
		Yeah.
		But there's an emptiness to it where you know, like, there's no human, there's no humanity, there's no soul.
		There's no, you might enjoy it in the moment, but you better have some real shit, too.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		But the truth is, I listen to that.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		I don't know that there's no soul because I'm not seeing the person sing it.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Right.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		You know, and so much music is manipulated anyway, the voice where it goes through the system.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		And, you know, but if I'm watching a human being, that's why people love to go watch people perform live.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		You know, I don't know that guy that, you know, that AI thing of the 50 Cent is a huge.
		If you told me that was a guy, I'd be like, oh, I can't wait to see him.
		I would have no idea that's not a guy.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		We play it in the green room when no one's and they're like, who is this guy?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Like, it's not a person.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		But of course, how would you know?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		But everybody has the same reaction.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Like, oh, no.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		Right.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		Right.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		That's how the reaction is ever.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		It's like, oh, no.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		I don't know what's wrong with me, but I don't feel that.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		I'm like, cool.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		I don't know.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		But we've been through things before, you know?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		This is a bigger one, though.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		No, no, it is.
		But relatively speaking, it's probably not.
		Contextually.
unidentified		Right.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		You know.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		The printing press, internal combustion engine.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		You know, all that.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Airplanes.
		Here we go.
		Yeah.
		Cell phones.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		AI music.
		Yeah.
		And AI film.
		I mean, you can produce a full feature film with prompts now.
unidentified		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Which is just nuts.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Have you seen any of the AI Star Wars clips fan-made?
unidentified		Yeah.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		It's nuts.
unidentified		Fucking nuts.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		I have a couple buddies that did some stuff that was fascinating.
unidentified		Yeah.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		It's cool.
unidentified		Yeah.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		I don't.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		It's like if the ocean's flowing, what are you going to?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I mean, it's going to happen.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I mean, you build the dam.
unidentified		Okay.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		It's John Henry, dude.
		It's John Henry in the steam engine.
		I always think about that song when I was a kid.
		They must have played on PBS.
		You know, it's like steam engine's coming, bro.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		It's like, you know, you may be able to lay the track one guy could, but then he died.
		You know, it is what it is.
		And once I sort of give myself over to it, you know, I don't know.
		It feels like for me personally, it's a waste of time to be emotionally upended by it.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I agree with that.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		That's all.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I think that's a healthy perspective because I think it is inevitable, but it is also.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		And the truth is, we don't know what's inevitable.
		We know something's inevitable.
		There's a movement, but no one knows.
		We just don't know.
		We may not be around by the time it happens anyway.
		Meaning, like, who knows?
		We just don't know anything.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Right.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		That's the truth.
		And that's what's so terrifying.
		That's why we want to escape.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		At least me.
		By the way, I'm saying all this generally, but that's, I go back to like, what do I feel?
		It's like, okay, so how can I, you know, this is totally out of my control.
		So why am I terrified?
		Just breathe through it.
unidentified		Okay.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		It'll be an adjustment.
		Because the other thing I think, people change.
		I don't know what you think.
		People do change in life.
		Like, I just think we change.
		Like, I'm not the same person I was five years ago.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Of course.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		You know, some people don't think that.
		You know, like, you're always the same.
		Like, I don't think that.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Those people are silly.
unidentified		Yeah.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		I really, people.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		People change.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		People change.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		They change by the minute.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		But I mean, like, major changes.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		You know, and I don't, do you ever think back in your life and you're like, I've lived so many lives.
unidentified		Yeah.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		Like, it's crazy.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		If you live a good life, I think that's the case.
		Yeah.
		You, you're going to change.
		And if you don't, like, how, why not?
unidentified		Yeah.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		Maybe if you don't live so many lives.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		You just nail it when you were 21 and ride that fucking boat right into the rocks now?
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		No, because everything else is changing.
unidentified		Yeah.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, you have to change.
		But it's just this change is a strange change because we're essentially creating an artificial life form that can interact with us right now in a way that you can manipulate, like this AI sex bot, but eventually it's going to interact with you and you're not going to be able to manipulate it.
		It's going to be a life form.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that's going to be something.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, the entertainment aspect of it is just a side effect.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		I don't even think the entertainment.
		Yeah, that's not even the thing.
		The thing is, life's going to change.
		That's what I feel like, too.
		It's like, oh, the storytelling.
		I don't think that's our biggest concern.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		The storytelling thing is going to be weird.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		But like, that's that.
		We're talking about a minute-to-minute life existence change.
		Most probably.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		It's essentially going to be a life form.
		And, you know, there's a lot of technologists that are looking at it and they're saying this should be studied by biologists and not by people that are involved in technology because this is kind of a life form.
		It's just a life form.
unidentified		It's fascinating.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		He's a human being is what we do.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		It's like, isn't Mark Zuckerberg building the size of Manhattan for a place to be able to create and generate a computer for an AI?
		You know, like the amount of energy that we're, you know, every, you know, it's fascinating.
		Human beings.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Well, they need their own nuclear power plant.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		That's just a fascinating just art.
unidentified		Yeah.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		And then if you have an enemy, there's competition.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Right.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		Right.
unidentified		Yeah.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		And you better create one so that you could be motivated.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		It's really interesting.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I just, if you ever stop and think, like, what does 50 years from now look like?
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		Oh, it's, you know, I think about, again, with kids.
		My daughter and I, we walk through, because I live in New York, we talk about it all the time.
		Like, what's going to be here when you're my age?
		It's like, what do you think?
		You know, we talk about it all the time, about whether she even needs to get a driver's license.
		You know, she's eight.
		You know, it's really fascinating.
unidentified		Right.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Like, or way most of it.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		But when I was eight, as opposed to now, when I was eight, I mean, I remember having a beeper, you know, and I thought that was like crazy.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		And a StarTack phone.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		I was like, whoa.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I got one when I moved to LA.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		Oh, man.
		I remember that.
		We started living in the fucking future.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Any excuse to fucking pull up the antenna, Motorola.
unidentified		Yes, dude.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I got the extended battery.
		Oh, that shot battery.
		Of course, of course.
unidentified		Yeah, yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I can call people whenever I want.
unidentified		Yeah, man.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		I remember when BlackBerry died and iPhone, I was one of the last people.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		I kept that BlackBerry.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I kept the BlackBerry deep into the game.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		Me too.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I needed that keyboard.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		I was like, this is not going to work.
unidentified		Right.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		My thumbs are too big.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Now I hardly ever even actually type.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Well, I do when I write, but when I talk to people, I just talk text.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		You do?
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		I do not do that.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		It's so good.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		It's so much quicker than me to do that.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		I always have a hard time turning it on and then knowing it's not a voice memo or the thing.
		I got to look at it.
		You know what I'm talking about?
		Just slide, go up.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		It's the embracing of it is inevitable.
		But it's like, where is it going and what is it going to lead us to?
		And how many different jobs are just going to vanish?
		That's what's really scary, like giving people purpose and meaning because so many people, their purpose and meaning is their occupation.
		And if your occupation is completely irrelevant, it just doesn't work anymore.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		It's like, you know, again, I think back to me and my upbringing, my grandfather, who was a B cop for 35 years, I don't think you would say his purpose was that.
		You know, I think his purpose was his family.
		And my purpose is my family.
		And it's not my job, even though I get to do something I absolutely love.
		I don't know that people's purpose innately is their job.
		You know, I think it's a, I do think for me, I just like, you know, God's in all of us, it's like whatever you want to say of God, like the need to communicate to create experiences that we don't feel alone because it's fucking terrifying being on this little thing who knows where we are and then we're gone.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		I mean, it's a horror movie.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		So what do we get?
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		We got to band together and communicate.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Well, I've thought about that too.
		When people say, you know, the jobs are going to go away and we're going to have universal basic income and the problem is then no one will have any motivation and a lot of people lost without meaning.
		I'm like, well, why?
		Why?
		Because when did working even become your purpose in life?
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		Like this is a means to an end to provide, you know.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		But it's a construct.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		It's not the only way human beings can live.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		And if we've learned anything about ourselves as a human species, we can adapt.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		You know, highly able to adapt.
unidentified		Right.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		But what does that adaptation look like?
		And how do you educate people to not just seek a safe job that's going to provide for your family, but instead seek a purpose, seek a thing that gives you fulfillment, a thing where you feel like you're contributing to the world.
		Or like maybe it'll lead to an explosion of human-created art.
		Because I think one of the things that's going to happen for sure is people are going to really greatly appreciate things that other human beings have made.
		Because you've got to go, oh, well, this is, but this is handmade.
		This is made by a guy in Wisconsin.
		You know, he's got a shop.
		You can watch his shop on niche.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		It's all huge niche.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		We just got to get more people to embrace that kind of life, like giving them purpose and creation.
		And I think most people are creative.
		It's just that creativity is probably like pushed out of you when you sort of conform to society's ideas of what you're supposed to be doing with your life.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		Or you feel like you're told in a competitive environment that you're not creative.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Right.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		You know, if you're not helped along the way in those developing years by at least somebody, it could be knocked out of you.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		No question.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		I mean, I even look back and think of like a couple of people that believed in me and I'm like, yeah, without that, I don't know.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		Even with how much I love it.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		Yeah.
		I think, you know, children are almost all creative.
		They're always playing and fucking around with dolls and fucking around with Legos and they're moving things around and they're using their mind to their drawing.
		They're doing stuff that's creative.
		It's just after a while, that part of their life just kind of goes away and atrophies.
		And then they embrace the grind of whatever.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		So it could lead to some sort of burst in that.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		The hard part's going to be people that are already set in their ways and when their job just goes away, when it just becomes irrelevant.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		And that's about governing.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		And what do we do?
unidentified		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		No, the government's terrible at everything.
		They're not going to be able to do that.
		But it's like getting people to be creative.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		Or just like, how do we deal with that?
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		You know, any transition can be various states of volatility.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		What do you think movie making is going to be like?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I mean, how much of a play is AI going to have in filmmaking?
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		I mean, it already has a play, you know, in it, you know, in terms of what certain houses use, you know, whether it's writing or special effects.
		Or I don't even know how much AI is used.
		You know, I'm sure it is.
		I'm sure it's used at every level, just like in every other aspect of the workforce.
		But I don't know.
		I don't know.
		All I know is like, again, telling stories where you feel like you can relate to it no matter how.
		And what's wonderful is, you know, I'm watching Avatar.
		Like I saw a movie the other night that I didn't believe anybody in it.
		You know, and if I'm not believing it, I just, I can't, I can't stay awake.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		You know?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		And I just, I love Avatar.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		I love, you know, and I love sci-fi stuff.
unidentified		I love it.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		And I'm, and I, I, and Leah, and we were watching, uh, because we watched three and then two and we were watching one.
		So in bed, we were watching one, parts of one.
		And I was like, I had just gone from watching this movie that like, I didn't believe anything anybody was doing the whole time.
		So I was out of it.
		And then I'm like watching Avatar for two seconds.
unidentified		Two people are talking.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, they're on a thing and they're blue, but they're talking to each other.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Right.
unidentified		I don't know.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		I think they're whatever they're doing, they're talking to each other.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		So Avatar was fascinating because of Avatar Depression.
		You know about Avatar Depression?
		There were so many people that loved Avatar so much and connected with the idea of living on Pandora and being in that world and being the navy that they wished that they were there.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		I get it.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		And so they were developing Avatar Depression.
		It was like they were talking about it.
		Like it was a psychological condition that people were affected by.
		That's how good that movie was.
unidentified		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		It gave people depression.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		That was what they're doing.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		So they were like a giant blue person.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		The color blue.
		That alone.
		You know, and the color of blue that James Cameron landed on.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		What do you think that is?
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		I don't know, but that blue is pretty wonderful.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Do you think it's the ocean when the sun hits it?
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		It feels like the Caribbean or something.
unidentified		Right.
		Yeah.
		It's light.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		Exactly.
		It's like white sand and overhead light through water.
		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		That is weird.
		Because if they were.
		Well, I get it.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		By the way, I'm like, when's four and five?
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		Come on.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Right, right.
		I haven't seen three yet.
		Is it great?
unidentified		I loved it.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I loved one and two.
unidentified		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I fucking love those movies.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		Me too.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		There's a great ride at Disney.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		I heard about it in Orlando, right?
		Yeah, I can't wait to go.
		Are you on the...
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, yeah. That's crazy.
		It's a VR ride.
		You put a helmet on and you sit on this thing that looks like a motorcycle.
unidentified		Oh, my God.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		And then all of a sudden, like, you feel wind.
		It's got physical elements to it and smells and mist.
		You're flying on one of those dragon things.
unidentified		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		And you're flying around Pandora.
		It's incredible.
		But that movie was so impactful that people got depressed that they weren't living there.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I get it.
		Yeah.
		I mean, I think it happens all the time.
		They just have a term for it now.
		But I'm sure it happened with Star Wars.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Dancing with wolves.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		Oh, really?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		I mean, how many people wanted to be a Native American and live with the Native Americans because they saw Kevin Costner do it?
		Like, oh, this is better.
		This is better than living in the town with all those assholes going to the saloon.
		Just dancing with a woman.
		Yeah, there's something about that.
		You know, there's something about living in harmony that appeals to people.
		And I think that has always been the appeal of, you know, there was a lot of people that were kidnapped when they were young by Native American tribes.
		Like there's a photo outside in the lobby.
		I don't know if you saw it, of Quana Parker.
		He's the last of the Comanche chiefs.
		And there's a lot of city streets and areas all around Austin that are named after Comanche.
		There's like Quana Parker Lane and all these things.
		And his mom was Cynthia Ann Parker.
		She was kidnapped by the Comanche when she was nine.
		They killed her family, wiped out her whole family in Oklahoma.
		It's documented in the book Empire of the Summer Moon.
		It's an incredible book that all talks about the conquering of Texas and the Comanche fighting the Texas Rangers.
		But this woman was kidnapped when she was nine, married the Comanche chief, and her son was Quana Parker.
		So her son was half colonizer, half native, half Comanche, and he became the last Comanche chief.
		And this lady, they rescued her when she was 30, and she kept trying to escape.
		She wanted to go back.
		Like no one ever went to the Native Americans and then wanted to go back to regular Western life.
		They all wanted to stay with the Native Americans.
		They all, they loved that life.
		There's something about this ancient way of living, subsistence hunting, living on the land that was resonated on your show on the show about the need to go out in nature.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah.
		I couldn't agree more.
		I mean, it's like, oh, right.
		You know, it's very important.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I think it's a vitamin.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		No question.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		Native American.
		And also, like, you think about, I mean, yeah, I'm a fan of all that.
		There's this guy, great writer, M. Scott Mamede and Sherman Alexi, you know, just writing about, it's pretty, yeah, it's fascinating.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		But people that were, that went and lived with the Native Americans never wanted to go back to the West.
		But people that lived in a Native American life and then moved to the West, they always wanted to go back.
		Like it never went the other way.
		But somehow or another, the way of the Western people, the way of the settlers won out by sheer volume and numbers and this constant progress.
		Yeah.
		Technology.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I mean, that was the reason why they were able to pull it off in the first place was the cult revolver.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Because without the revolver, they all had muskets and the Comanche had like five, six arrows and they would run at them.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		That's Mel Gibson movie.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		Remember the end of the Mel Gibson movie?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Which movie?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Apocalypto?
unidentified		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		He finally escapes and he gets to the beach and then the boats are coming.
unidentified		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		Just watch them go through the whole thing.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		You're like, the musket's coming.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		The musket and then the rifle.
unidentified		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		And then the revolver.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		It's like, yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Well, it was just steel.
		You know, that was the crazy thing about the Aztecs and Cortez is just they had steel armor and they were riding horses and everybody's like, these guys are gods.
		Like this is crazy.
		They have metal.
		And that's all it took.
		13 muskets.
		13 muskets, 600 men.
unidentified		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Conquered Mexico.
		It's just, it's weird the way progress moves.
		I mean, you can call it progress, but is it even better?
		I mean, what is progress?
		It's like technological innovation and adaptation to it.
		I don't know if it's progress.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		It all feels very overwhelming.
		And I think that's where the downside of our ability to have so much access to information, or me, have so much access to information is that it starts to take my breath away.
		And then that's why it's like, what's just simple.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's why it's smart that you're not on social media.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		Right.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, because that's the main tap into the overwhelming.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		But I still feel overwhelmed.
		You know, even though I'm not on social media, whatever my news feed is, you know what I mean?
		And what I can actively look up and listen to is still 100 times X as when I was a teenager.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		You know, the fact that I even have a phone to do it.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Right.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		You know, so I even feel that.
		But you're right.
		I can't even imagine what social media does.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		It does a lot.
		And it really does a lot for young people.
		They're just being wired in a way that no human being has ever been wired before.
		Like just their whole, all of their interactions are different than anybody that's ever lived, which is so strange.
		It's like, because there's been minor changes over time that have led to like just the invention of cable, right?
		Just that.
		That changed everything.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		It just changed it for me.
		I probably wouldn't have wanted to do this.
		I mean, there was a movie theater across, my backyard was train tracks and then the movie theater.
		I loved it.
		Watched Stand By Me 100 times.
		Would walk in and pretend that I was there.
		But then like Comcast came through and Prism and HBO and all of a sudden I can watch Taxi Driver 14 times and The Elephant Man and Popeye and Apocalypse Now and Raging Bull.
		Like, you know, from 12 to on that I would never have had.
		It was like Platoon for six months, Yentel.
		You know what I mean?
		It's like there was one choice.
		So yeah, it's interesting.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Well, it's weird too now that you have instantaneous access.
		Like now it's not even, oh, Apocalypse Now is on at eight o'clock on the show.
		I mean, we just pulled up the clip that I was talking about, which is instantly in the middle of a conversation.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		Which is wonderful.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		It's great if it doesn't overwhelm you.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		If you use it and it doesn't use you.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		But the problem is.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		I feel like that with music.
		I feel like that with so many things, don't you?
		It's like, yeah, that's why I love books still.
		I still love books.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		It's like a physical conversation.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I do.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		I love books.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I don't necessarily read books very often.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Most of my interaction with literature is just audio.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Just because of a time thing.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		Right.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		For me, my time is just, it's too difficult for me to manage.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		I have a hard time staying with audio books.
		Yeah, retaining it.
		I start thinking about the rhythm of the voice and my brain goes to other things.
		Like, who's the person talking?
		You know, where are they sitting?
		I don't know.
		Like, it changes.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's probably why you're a great actor.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, maybe.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I mean, it has to have something to do with it because you're considering this as a human being and absorbing their humanity.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Right.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		Where this is like words and like unlocks my imagination.
unidentified		Yeah.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		It's like, I'm here.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		And it's like, I don't know what's going to come.
unidentified		Right.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		The words are in your head.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		The voices are in your head.
unidentified		Yes.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		And you don't necessarily have to assign a sound to them.
unidentified		Yeah.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		They take on and they change and they morph and you don't know what's going to happen.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		There's probably a real value to that just in terms of the enhancement of your own intellect just to constantly be doing that.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		And as you're reading this, be engrossed and absorbed in this person's writing and then like being taken on this journey.
unidentified		Yes.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Where it's like stimulating all these parts of your life.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		I was just on the track in Rome in the Olympics.
		You know what I mean?
		And the guy was just coming and taking, you know, wearing two sweatshirts to like intimidate.
		You know, like, it's amazing.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		But the thing that's maybe changing is like it does ask a lot of the reader or the viewer to use to come at it with their imagination.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		And then there's something about taking all that away and you're just receiving.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		That'll be in, it's very new.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		And then, yeah, that's a huge change.
		There's not so much communication going on.
		It's just receiving.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		But there's also the mastery of like that guy doing Lord of the Rings and like the taking in what he's doing.
		You know?
		Then realize this one fucking person is doing all these different voices.
		It's just nuts.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		That's crazy.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		But it's you have more access now to other people's creations than ever before.
		Like you can be absorbed in other people's work all the time now.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Instantaneously on your phone.
		I'm sitting here.
		I'm bored.
		Let me just get someone's creation and plug it into my head.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		Or somebody's thoughts on something or research they've done.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		That's what's amazing.
unidentified		Oh, yeah.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		That's what's, and that's what I've learned on your show too.
		Just every, you know, that just that I didn't, no one had access like to that.
		Or it was frowned upon.
unidentified		Right.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		Or like, well, you're not smart if you talk about this.
unidentified		Right.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		You know, it's like, let everybody decide.
unidentified		Right.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		And the truth is, we don't know fucking anything.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		No.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Well, there's a lot of gatekeepers when it comes to what you should or should not be interested in.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Or should or should I remember discussing?
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		I remember being in college and there was a student, African-American student who I really, I was friends with.
		And I remember him saying, like, man, the one course, he's like, it's just not, they're not telling the story.
		And I remember he went and he talked, this is in 1995 or four.
		Wait, and I graduated in 97 from college.
		Yeah, so like, yeah, four or five.
		I think I was a sophomore.
		And like, he was just, what he was talking about was like other, other ways of looking at history.
		And like, can't we just look at other stuff?
		And it's fascinating.
		You know, now it's like there's whole, you know, courses on it or sections that you can read and learn and hear what people, you know, that's kind of amazing.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		It definitely is.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		I think it's amazing.
		As long as you could be, you know, like, not strict, but as long as you can be, you know, what's the word?
		You know, that you're like, okay, I'm looking at it.
		This is not, you know, the Bible of what it is, but let me just hear this take.
		You know, that's only healthy, I think.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		100%.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		You know?
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		The problem and the fear is like, oh, no, you're going to get, and then the cults and the group and the thing, and all of a sudden there's a movement.
		And, you know, but whenever that happens anyway, there's so much infighting and the thing gets diluted anyway.
		Like it's, there's no, it's never going to work.
unidentified		Right.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's the thing about the Bible itself is the Bible is a series of stories that were an oral tradition for who knows how many years before eventually wrote it down.
		Then they translated it from dead languages and eventually to English.
		And you're like, what is this?
		Like, what, what was the original?
		What is the meaning of this?
		Like, what?
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		And you don't even have to go back that far.
		It's like just how we take it, you know, label, you know, all they are are labels of what's words, language.
		You and I communicate using these system of symbols, vocal symbols that we both think mean something.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		But when I say protein bites, it's like you're looking at that differently than I am.
		So it's so impossible anyway.
		We're just desperately trying to communicate.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		That's all we're doing.
		Desperately.
		And have a story.
		Like, what's our story?
		What's our story?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		That's going to be the weirdest aspect of communication through technology is that we're going to get to a point where we're communicating without words.
		That's going to get really weird.
		Telepathy.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		That to me is scary because I don't trust my thoughts.
		Do you know what I mean?
		Like if I've learned anything as I've gotten older, it's like, oh, yeah, let that wash through me.
		I don't have to judge myself for that.
		That was crazy.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Right.
unidentified		Whoa.
unidentified		Right.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		No, no, no.
unidentified		It's okay.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		Let it wash through.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Judge me by my actions.
unidentified		Yeah, yeah.
unidentified		I do believe that.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Not by what's going on inside my head.
		Yeah.
		Yeah.
		And then managing the thoughts and deciding what to act on and what not to.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		And imagine like trying to consciously control your thought.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		I mean, all of a sudden, talk about control, trying to control.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Well, I think it's going to be a completely different way of interacting with each other.
		That's going to be as crazy as internet communication and what we're dealing with now.
		That's going to be another level of crazy because we're essentially going to be telepathic.
		And that's inevitable.
		That's in the word.
		I mean, Elon said that to me.
		He goes, you're going to be able to communicate with no words.
		I was like, okay.
		What does that mean?
		What is that like?
		What language is it going to be in?
		Is it going to be in a new university?
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		It's kind of exciting.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		It's very exciting.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Well, it's very weird.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		It's both.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		We're going to be different.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		I just hope I'm around and experienced it.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		You will be.
		Yeah, it's going to happen fairly quickly.
		I think it's going to happen within the next couple of decades.
		The things are going to be unrecognizable.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		If less than that.
unidentified		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I mean, that's just being like really charitable.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		It's probably going to be five years.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		I mean, you've talked to enough people that are on the front lines of it, and there is one sort of constant thing that it's sooner than you think.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		And everyone on the front line is fucking terrible.
unidentified		I know.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		All of them.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		I know.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Even the ones that are working towards it.
unidentified		I know.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		They're all like, that's true.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Like, I don't know if this is good.
		Fuck a lot of doing it.
		Yeah.
unidentified		I know.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		I know.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Strange stuff.
		Hey, man, I'm glad we did this.
		This is a lot of fun.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		Joe.
		You know, it's real quick.
		It's just fun to see the progression of it.
		It's like, I'm here.
		And then, like the elephant man, by the end of it, I just see your eyes talking to me.
		It's like I forgot the room and Jamie and the whole thing.
		It's, I understand the gift.
		I get it.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Well, it's because we're locked in.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, but I get it.
		I see.
		I get it.
		Because I've, you know, I love watching you have guests on.
		And then through the time, you just start to see things just start to shed off or it gets more awkward.
		Or like the rhythm gets off.
		And it's just so fascinating.
		And so I was so honored to be able to be in like, you know, the seat and experience it.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Oh, it's my pleasure.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I'm honored to be able to talk to people like you and to be able to experience, you know, as you're talking, I'm experiencing life through your eyes.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I'm getting a better sense of what it is to be a person.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		And it's just like these little thin layers, like you're building a mountain with one layer of pain at a time.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		That's it.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		Everything is that.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Everything is that.
unidentified		Yeah.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		Everything is that.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		If you're living a good life.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
unidentified		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		And I think you're definitely living a good life.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		Oh, thanks, man.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		It's been a pleasure getting to know you, man.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		You're cool as fuck.
unidentified		Yeah.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		Thanks, Joe.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		My pleasure.
		All right.
		Everybody, is this thing on?
		Is out now, right?
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, opens wide tomorrow.
unidentified		Tomorrow.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		So today as today as this podcast comes out.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		Correct.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		And go check it out.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		It's awesome.
bradley cooper ▲ ● ▼		Thanks, man.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Bradley, you're the man.
unidentified		Thank you.
unidentified		All right.

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