Sept. 18, 2025 - The Joe Rogan Experience
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The Joe Logan Experience Joe Rogan podcast by night all day five. | |
| Yeah. | ||
| Five smells on the phone. | ||
| Damn. | ||
| Yeah, you have to well, see if you're gonna shoot something at 45, you really want to be comfortable at twice that. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| So I'll shoot 90, I'll shoot a hundred yards. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, because that way when you get into 40, it seems normal. | ||
| It seems easy. | ||
| Easy day. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's all just about like affecting the floor. | ||
| Would you take a shot at 85? | ||
| No. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| No, no, no, no, no. | ||
| That's far. | ||
| You might take a follow-up shot. | ||
| Like if you know the animals already gonna go down. | ||
| And you can if you can, you should always get a second shot on them. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| So I'll take a second shot at 85, but I would have you had one and and it just fucking ran just gone. | ||
| Oh yeah. | ||
| Like 200, 300 yards. | ||
| What do you mean? | ||
| Like if you shoot it and you know hit it. | ||
| Yeah, hit it, and it just goes into the bush and you gotta track it, find it. | ||
| Yeah, you can track them though. | ||
| Yeah, just leaking all over the place. | ||
| Yeah, blood trails. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Especially if you use a large mechanical broadhead. | ||
| So I've shot one deer in my life, and uh it was after loan, and I was on Latrell. | ||
| Yeah, and I was uh with Latrell and a couple other seals on his ranch. | ||
| And um, you know, you're surrounded by seals, so it's like he's like, let's get you one. | ||
| I'm like, Yeah, let's go. | ||
| And uh so we're on the ranch. | ||
| Have you been there? | ||
| No. | ||
| Oh, it's great. | ||
| And uh I thought I don't know how many acres, but he had used to have like giraffes on the ranch and shit. | ||
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It was crazy. | |
| Uh you would literally just be out there and there's a couple giraffes, and uh I think they're they've they're gone now. | ||
| But we pull into this like opening and he's like, There's gonna be some deer on the right. | ||
| Lo and behold, a couple deer. | ||
| He's like, Okay, take that one, pull out the M4. | ||
| Uh we're pretty far, but not crazy. | ||
| And I'm nervous, man. | ||
| I like of course I've trained with the M4 and and for loan and all this stuff, but I've never like shot shot. | ||
| And so I hit it, and he's like, fucking great shot. | ||
| Let's let's roll up. | ||
| Roll up, no deer. | ||
| And you can hear it though, and it's like just losing his fucking mind. | ||
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Oh no. | |
| And I'm like, oh fuck. | ||
| And so the other seal, he's like, let's go. | ||
| So we walk and walk and walk and finally get around this corner, and we have to put him down with a pistol. | ||
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And I was like, Why'd you have to put him down with a pistol? | |
| Just because we walked right up on it, and it was just dying. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And so I was just like, okay, this is part of it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Um, and then we, you know, ate it and all that kind of stuff. | ||
| But it was uh That's the good part. | ||
| Yeah, it really is. | ||
| Um, but that was my one experience. | ||
| But I did, I did go uh with my bro loves hunting. | ||
| And uh we went out in Montana and there's on a on a friend's ranch in any of the backcountry, and he was Bocking animals for photography. | ||
| So it's the same thing. | ||
| Watching the wind, um getting up fucking before light hits, just getting deep. | ||
| You're way up there too, calling, all that kind of stuff. | ||
| And uh it's just so fun, and once you get in tight, your adrenaline's just buzzing, and we had eyes on this like big boy. | ||
| And uh so then I'm doing the he's like working his way up the mountain up this uh pass, and I'm doing the antlers against the tree and then the antlers and getting it angry, getting it worked up, and it starts bugling even more, and you're like I'm not even taking the shot, and I'm like, this is fucking legit. | ||
| And he like he pulls his fucking mask down and he's like getting into it. | ||
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I see him like army crawling up there, missed. | |
| But um, we had a blast. | ||
| It's more of like a bonding experience, man, than anything for us, but it's a very intense experience, especially because they they scream and truly the sound like gives you goosebumps. | ||
| It does. | ||
| Especially when you're close to them. | ||
| Yeah, and it just goes through your body, it shakes you. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| Yeah, there's nothing like elk. | ||
| I know. | ||
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I know. | |
| It's really fun. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Well, it takes a lot of work. | ||
| It is you earn it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's a different hunt, right? | ||
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Than just rifle. | |
| It's just rifle up there, and at least in that area, it's like sometimes your your hunt's under an hour. | ||
| You know, with Bo, you're in one. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| You're this is days possibly. | ||
| Oh yeah, yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Especially if you want to get within 50. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| And then the magic. | ||
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Yes. | |
| Yes. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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Throwing up the grass, checking it all the time. | |
| Fuck it's so fun. | ||
| You live in Montana now? | ||
| I do. | ||
| How long you been out there? | ||
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Five, just over five years now. | |
| That's awesome. | ||
| Well made this choose that. | ||
| Man, flying into Austin. | ||
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I was here 16 plus years. | |
| So it's just memory fucking lane. | ||
| It's crazy. | ||
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Crazy. | |
| This is where it all started, man. | ||
| Really? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Like Friday Night Lights. | ||
| Um, we were like school for the deaf just down the street. | ||
| Uh land in the airport. | ||
| Uh Dylan Field was just across the airport. | ||
| So so many memories of Pete and I. We were staying at the four seasons shooting the pilot, learned to box here at Richard Lord's. | ||
| Um, if you don't know this guy, he's fucking amazing. | ||
| Richard Lord. | ||
| Yeah, Richard Lord. | ||
| There's a doc on him, actually. | ||
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He's up. | |
| I don't even know if he's still around. | ||
| He was pretty old when when uh he taught me how to box. | ||
| But um wicked dude, just zenned out. | ||
| He was probably in his mid-60s, so he'd be up there now. | ||
| But um, yeah, Pete literally was like before we hit camera, it was like, hey, you want to go box? | ||
| And I was like, All right. | ||
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Fucking and I loved it. | |
| I loved it. | ||
| And I still mean Peter Bird Pete Bird, yeah. | ||
| He loves boxing. | ||
| Yeah, his own gym. | ||
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Of course. | |
| LA Of course. | ||
| I do not spar with him anymore. | ||
| He's it's dirty Pete is his fucking boxing name. | ||
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I bet you didn't fucking tell you that, did he? | |
| Why is it dirty Pete? | ||
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Because he's earned that, man. | |
| He's uh so you know, you'll do body shots only or stuff like that and spar, keep each other honest. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Um, but fuck you get him once, it's there's no rules. | ||
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There's no rules. | |
| And it's like you're on camera in like a week or something, like trying to give you a black gun. | ||
| And then you like take it and you're kind of shocked at first. | ||
| It just goes from like two to eleven so quick. | ||
| That's funny. | ||
| But yeah, it's the best workout. | ||
| We have a gym connected here. | ||
| So last time we're gonna go to the house. | ||
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No way here? | |
| Yeah, it's right next door. | ||
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We have shit smart. | |
| So we worked out together and cold plunged the whole deal. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| He gets after it. | ||
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He does. | |
| He does. | ||
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He pushes. | |
| I mean, even when we shot uh American primeval, he was uh you his little garage setup, man, cold plunge, uh steam room, like it's he's gotta have it. | ||
| Yeah, he's gotta have it for that brain of his. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, America Primeval was fucking awesome, dude. | ||
| Thanks, man. | ||
| That show's so good. | ||
| I started white rot watching it with my wife, but she's like, Nope, gotta go. | ||
| She can't handle it's a lie. | ||
| That's a fucking intense, but also probably super accurate. | ||
| Yes, one of the most accurate representations of what life was probably like in the West back then. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| I learned so much on that, man. | ||
| Um, I mean, living in Montana, I got to uh this cowgirl friend of mine who I met at that ranch, uh, had been working with this shaman just outside of Livingston, and I was telling her I'm playing a guy that kind of raised by Shoshone and all this, and like that was kind of where I hung my hat of like if this guy lost his family at six or seven and then adopted or sold to the Shoshone, this is who he is. | ||
| He's more Shoshone than he is white. | ||
| So I started working with this shaman, uh, which was incredible, and then um went down to the Shoshone reservation, Wind River, worked with the elders there. | ||
| It's tough, man, because obviously going there, you're like, and they knew I was coming, but it's like you're talking to these elders, and it's like we meet five minutes in, and I'm like, so what do you what do you guys do when you bury your wife? | ||
| And you're asking these heavy, heavy questions, cultural questions, yes, yeah. | ||
| That is true meaning behind it all. | ||
| So she took a long beat and she's like, I'll get back to you on that. | ||
| I'll get back to you on that. | ||
| And then I went into this other room at the school there, and this other elderly woman comes in a wheelchair, and she sits there and she's like, What do you want to know? | ||
| And so we just sat there for hours, and she was incredibly transparent and just really open, and I would take all this and go to Pete and be like, listen, if we're gonna we gotta honor these guys, so let's do it right. | ||
| And he was all ears, and uh the Shoshone was very tough to learn. | ||
| When you say working with a shaman, like what did what did you do? | ||
| Yeah, so we'll do like two hours sweats. | ||
| Um how do they have that set up? | ||
| Like a fire in the middle of it or something. | ||
| Yeah, so it's uh fire is always burning before you start the sweat, and then he'll grab river rocks from Yellowstone uh river, and then the fire's going, and he'll bring these rocks that are in the fire into the middle of the sweat lodge, and uh there's four doors to this one, and uh you'll talk you'll fast the day before, and um you'll he'll put the river rocks in the middle, and they're smoking hot, right? | ||
| And then he brings river water from a spring or whatever, um, and then you have you fast and then you uh have your intention ties, so you would sit down with him for an hour or two and talk about what you want out of this. | ||
| Um sometimes it's like, do I want to have a kid? | ||
| Or a buddy of mine was using heroin for something, so I would bring him and have a sweat and just give him my energy in this sweat to help him, or my dad passed or something, or some it can be light too. | ||
| It doesn't have to be so heavy. | ||
| Um but he's been amazing, like before like I start a movie in a couple weeks, and I'm just gonna go do a sweat and get ready for that, and I just whatever he's gonna energy he's gonna give me to go into this shoot, um, and then for the for prime evil, it was fucking beautiful. | ||
| Like I wasn't a good rider, I'm still not on horses. | ||
| And uh he gave me like my horse has a feather. | ||
| If you really watch, he's I have four horses in it, but my first horse has a feather in him, and I wanted to do all these and honor the horses, uh, which obviously the Shoshone do. | ||
| Um so he he just taught me a shit ton about just to honor that tribe and honor what what they do and and to be as authentic as possible. | ||
| So that helped me root Isaac so much. | ||
| But yeah, that's a such an intense character. | ||
| And imagine like you're playing a guy who's a white guy who's like deeply ingrained with Native American life, and so it's like it's all it's very conflicted, there's a lot going on there, but you want you you want to embody what this guy would be like, yeah. | ||
| Yeah, and you're you meet him when he's mourning, right? | ||
| And he's lost his wife and his son, and he married into the tribe. | ||
| Uh so the the female chief, I married her daughter and had a son. | ||
| And um, so when you meet Isaac, he's just in mourning, and everything is full circle, everything is circular with them. | ||
| So the only way he could reunite with his family is to is to die honorably. | ||
| So that influences the way I fight. | ||
| So the way Isaac fights is all in. | ||
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Wild, wild, like biting, yeah. | |
| I had I just got chills thinking about this. | ||
| There's a fight, I think, in episode two, which was fucking insane, and we didn't rehearse. | ||
| This is very berg, and we have these one guy's black feet, unbelievable guy, and I kept using him because he's a great stunt man, and um, so Pete's like, you guys are gonna fucking roll down this hill, and I want you to fight your way to the river, and then we'll cut, and then I want you to fight in the river. | ||
| This is like maybe 28 degrees in that river. | ||
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The safety guy is like, whoa, whoa, whoa, this is not cool. | |
| And this is all like on the go. | ||
| So JJ Dashnon, my double, is like all in. | ||
| He loves this. | ||
| This is near the end of the shoot too. | ||
| So and uh everyone's game. | ||
| And um that fight was just so fucking intense. | ||
| So is it choreographed at all? | ||
| Nothing, nothing, literally nothing. | ||
| So how do you know like when he's gonna punch or you're gonna punch? | ||
| So during if it's you and me, it's like you will walk the area, make sure there's no uh sticks or whatever that were gonna impale us, and during the fight, I'll be like, okay, I'm gonna flip you. | ||
| Oh wow, and then it's like, okay, I'm gonna get on top. | ||
| And so you have to say it. | ||
| Yeah, and then Pete will be yelling behind camera to be like, okay, now work your way on top of them, and then we'll fight, work our way, roll, work our way, and then he's like, Okay, find a rock, kill him. | ||
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Jesus Christ, and then that war cry, which I'm so proud of. | |
| I worked on that forever, but uh, and I had talked to Pete about it for you know months before, but we're just rolling so quick, and I told our A camera, Brett, to uh get in tight. | ||
| I mean, any shot with Pete is fucking tight, which I love. | ||
| Um, and I'm like, B, I'm gonna I'm gonna do this war cry, so don't go down to him or and he's like, gotcha. | ||
| And so when I did it, Pete finally called Cut and he goes, What the fuck? | ||
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I was not fucking ready for that. | |
| And uh it's those moments though that that he allows you to just go, you know. | ||
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Yeah, yeah. | |
| Well, he's such a smart guy, he is, man. | ||
| When he's dialed, he's like lone, he was just so present and early, and he just I mean, we're surrounded by seals, as you know, every take, and um, I don't think you could do what we did to in prep of just like no producers, no Pete, no nothing. | ||
| It's just every morning, 7 a.m., 8 a.m., we're up in the mountain uh with seals with Ray Mendoza and uh amazing guys, and uh we oh first week is like first day, man. | ||
| I'm Canadian, so I haven't shot a fucking gun in my life. | ||
| The first time you ever shot a gun was alone survivor? | ||
| Well, yes, that's hilarious. | ||
| So, first Chris Karachi, who's a fucking legend, a man's man. | ||
| Um I think he was like one of the on the first team uh SEAL team units, and the deepest voice you've ever heard in your life, and like a fucking man, and uh he took me under his wing, and so our first day was live fire, and Karachi took me aside, he's like, Hey, it's you and me, and I'm like, let's go. | ||
| And I'm like, as fit as I ever have been. | ||
| I was running town lake doing the Murph every fucking three times a week with weighted vests, and uh just at Lake Travis high school there doing pull-ups, and it was unbelievable fun training for that, and um first day was live fire, | ||
| and that fucking gets you right that the you do not fuck around, and uh they make sure of it, and then uh I haven't I hadn't met Marcus yet, and Foster uh had drove down I think from Texas to uh New Mexico with with Latrell. | ||
| I was pretty jealous of that. | ||
| It's like oh you got to spend some real time with Marcus, and uh I was playing Mike, obviously, and and uh who is Mark's best friend, and so we're on this fucking range doing live fire, like upside down reloads, combat reloads, jamming, blindfold. | ||
| It was just it was full on, and Emil's actually a great shot. | ||
| Um Marcus comes, everything goes full stop, and right when he's coming, there's a PA on the other side, and she's bringing fucking banana shakes out, which is not a good look for these actors, and Marcus looks at these shakes and he looks at the actors and he's like, What the fuck is happening? | ||
| You guys don't get shakes in between and one of the actors just shamelessly goes up and grabs one of these banana shakes, and he's just talking to Marcus, meeting him for the first time. | ||
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And I'm like, you might want to put that down, like wait till he fucking leaves before. | |
| But and then uh it's just a beautiful experience, man. | ||
| Um the second week of training, we were doing simunitions. | ||
| Have you done that? | ||
| No. | ||
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Oh, you would love it. | |
| So this'll break skin. | ||
| And uh they hurt. | ||
| It's like a hard plastic paint tipped, and they fly like that, right? | ||
| They arc? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Because they don't go as fast. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And uh, so we have Sims now, and Mike would I my guy decides if we push left, push right, if we engage, get the fuck out of here. | ||
| Let's buy ourselves some time, whatever. | ||
| I gotta make these calls. | ||
| And um, so the seals are in tally gear, and they're like, go up the mountain. | ||
| What's tally gear? | ||
| Taliban gear. | ||
| Oh they're all dressed in tally gear. | ||
| So we meet up at the bottom of this fucking mountain, and they're all in taliban gear, and you're like, oh god, we're so fucked. | ||
| So they're like, give us 10 minutes, and uh, when you get ambushed, we're gonna watch and we're gonna engage, and we're gonna see what you do, see what you've learned the last week, and you're like, All right, let's go. | ||
| So it happens, and you're just walking, right? | ||
| Just like we are in the film, you're just walking and waiting to get ambushed, you know shit's about to hit, and so they hit and you hit the ground right away to figure out where the bullets are coming, and uh, and you can hear them, which really sets you straight. | ||
| And so I'm looking over at a meal, and I'm like, fucking uh 12 o'clock. | ||
| They're just straight up in these trees. | ||
| I'm like, 12 o'clock, fucking push right. | ||
| We gotta get the because we're in this open field. | ||
| I just got chills. | ||
| We're in this open field, and I'm like, get the fucking cover, dude. | ||
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We gotta fucking fight our way to cover. | |
| And Emil's like taking his time, and he's like, bro, ah, fuck, all right, it's fucking intense. | ||
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And I'm like, push right. | |
| I got Foster behind me, who's like so in it. | ||
| He's fucking crawling through cactus and like bleeding, and I'm on the ground crawling, screaming at a meal. | ||
| Marcus comes out full, we got hammered. | ||
| I literally don't think we got through a mag. | ||
| Like, and Marcus comes out, and we're not laughing, but it's too light, like we're taking it too lightly. | ||
| And I'm like, Emil, you gotta push, man. | ||
| If I'm pushing, if I'm telling you, so Marcus comes in and he's like full stop, and he goes, I thought he was gonna rip a meal, and he comes over to me, and he's like, Is this funny? | ||
| And I'm like, No, sir. | ||
| And he's like, Do you understand the stakes of this? | ||
| Like, every one of you are fucking dead. | ||
| You're all fucking dead, and so he just rips me. | ||
| He's like, It's your fault. | ||
| This guy doesn't want to fucking move, make a move. | ||
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Like, you're dead. | |
| Do you understand that? | ||
| And I was just like, just leveled, right? | ||
| And uh, it's a beautiful learning curve for me. | ||
| And um, we got better, but I mean, any time, there's one time I won't kill you with these stories, but one time I was like fucking proud of myself. | ||
| Like, we got in a ditch, we're it was too much, simmunition, same thing, and we got in a ditch, and we're all here, and I'm fucking looking downrange like fucking we're in one, we're still in a fight, and then no joke, Mark Simos, the sniper seal, grabs my fucking shoulder, and he's like, boom, and I'm like, where the fuck did you come from? | ||
| Like, that's how good these motherfuckers are, man. | ||
| So it was like it was just an amazing experience. | ||
| When you train for something like that, like how much time is spent, like when you know you got the role, yeah, and you know you're gonna film, like, how much time do you give yourself to prepare for something like that? | ||
| Longer, I love prep. | ||
| So yeah, I do, yeah. | ||
| Why do you love that? | ||
| The more time I can root myself into This guy, especially when the stakes are so high like Murph. | ||
| Um, I mean, physically, uh, was I did this little comedy uh in Canada, and if you watch this movie, and I was training for Lone during this movie, so it's called Skirwink Trail in Newfoundland, | ||
| beautiful fucking trail, and it's me, my best friend of 30 years, and my assistant who is a great guy, and we're training for loan, getting ready, doing like 50 pound runs, uh, weighted vests, all this kind of stuff, a skirt skirwink trail. | ||
| So if you watch this movie, like at the beginning to the end, my body goes from like this to just fucking stacked in this movie, and so there's that, but uh obviously 90% of this is mental, right? | ||
| The seals, and so um I just love that. | ||
| I love the prep. | ||
| I love that pressure. | ||
| Pete did a beautiful thing, bringing nine 19 guys died on the op uh and the rescue mission. | ||
| So it was like he brought all the families. | ||
| Uh, I think it was a week before we hit camera, and um man, you know, I'm going, it's I'm in the elevator at the Hyatt in uh Santa Fe or New or uh Albuquerque, and I'm fucking nervous, like throw up nervous, because I'm meeting Dan Murphy now, and I'm like, Did I do enough? | ||
| Am I really fucking ready? | ||
| Am I worthy of this shit? | ||
| And then we all have that fucking voice in our head that's like, you're a pile of shit. | ||
| You didn't do enough, you're not ready. | ||
| And that's why prep so much because it eliminated it's like a fight, right? | ||
| UFC or anything, these guys fucking you prep to eliminate that self-doubt, so you can be like, I'm fucking ready for you, you know. | ||
| So it's the same mentality, and so that was um my first words to Dan were like, I'm gonna everything I have into this, I'm gonna do it as authentically as I know how. | ||
| And he was just so fucking gracious with me. | ||
| Gave Mike's fi uh uh firefighter uh patch and just told me some amazing stories, and I'm super close with the Murphy family still. | ||
| But um, I love Prep, man. | ||
| I I think it's you gotta have it, especially with Pete's process, like if you're he's so off the cuff sometimes, and if it's an idea he has on the day, which he really leans into his gut instinct, and obviously that's guided him pretty fucking beautifully, but you just gotta be ready for anything, and if you don't prep, you're not rooted, you're not ready for anything, you know. | ||
| So um that one was a special one, yeah. | ||
| Do you what what when you get into a character like if you're doing Lone Survivor, do you try to stay in that character all day long? | ||
| Like do you try to do you break for lunch and just be yourself? | ||
| I try for sure, but you're still trying to stay in the character. | ||
| No, I try and be speaking. | ||
| I try and be with you in the moment at lunch. | ||
| And not even though it's gonna be weird though, it is weird because you're on location, yeah, yeah, on top of the fucking mountain. | ||
| You're taking the ski lift up there, and it's so important to be this guy, yeah. | ||
| Yeah, and then you're having lunch with the Taliban guys, you know. | ||
| And they're coming and they're like, hey man, we're big fans. | ||
| Oh god, and you're like, this is fucking weird. | ||
| Yeah, we're supposed to be shooting at each other in 20 minutes. | ||
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I'm about to fucking blow your head off, man. | |
| And uh, so I mean, Wahlberg's quite light in between, so that can be infectious in a good way. | ||
| Ben is very like he's he carries that weight in a beautiful way. | ||
| That's why he's so good. | ||
| Uh a meal's quite light. | ||
| Um, but yeah, there's definitely a tone, right? | ||
| Uh especially when you're surrounded by the seals, it's such a quick reminder of what you're doing or serving. | ||
| Um, but yeah, you're up on that mountain having a sandwich helping camera crew move their shit. | ||
| Um, and then lunch is always quick, so you're right back into it. | ||
| And it depends on the day. | ||
| Like, if I know like the climb up to Murph's death was you're just carrying more weight that day. | ||
| You just cannot fuck around with you've better get that fucking right. | ||
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Right. | |
| And I remember being uh Emil comes up to me and he's like, Hey, if we get off tonight, I'll go full circle with this. | ||
| If we get off tonight, uh, you want to go see Eddie Vetter? | ||
| I'm like, fuck yeah. | ||
| I love me some veterans and that was in uh Albuquerque. | ||
| And so we go to Vetter, meet him. | ||
| Vetter calls him up, sings a couple songs to him. | ||
| It was unbelievable night. | ||
| And uh Pete the next day comes up to me, and we're back up in the mountain doing some uh the fall off the the cliff. | ||
| We're doing that the next day. | ||
| And uh Pete's like, hey, your death scene, I want to talk about it. | ||
| And I'm like, all day, what do you what do you want to know? | ||
| I got some thoughts on it, and you know, I talked to Marcus in the hotel, and he won he remembers one specific thing he'd like me to do, and so Murph brought was pushing himself up with his rifle, uh climbing up this rock. | ||
| So I'm like, that's really all I want to make sure for Marcus's sake that I get that in. | ||
| And uh he's like, Yeah, yeah. | ||
| Uh, we're gonna shoot this um in a parking lot. | ||
| Uh uh just outside uh on uh off the highway in Albuquerque, and I'm like, yeah, right. | ||
| And he's like, no, no. | ||
| I want to control the light and have a beautiful landscape behind Murph. | ||
| And I'm like, Pete, you you're fucking killing me. | ||
| We're gonna do this in a fucking parking lot. | ||
| And so it was my last day as Murph. | ||
| And I love music. | ||
| Uh I'll always have a playlist for whatever character. | ||
| And um explosions in the sky, who's Austin, who was at the time Austin based, great guys, and Pete uses them all the time. | ||
| Um, and they're just acoustic, no lyrics, which is they're fucking amazing. | ||
| And so there's one song that has a heartbeat in it, and that was my song for Murph, and it slows down in it, and so I go, you know, I prepping in the in the trailer. | ||
| I walk down through this fucking parking lot, and I'm like, oh dude, I'm not in it. | ||
| I'm not ready for this. | ||
| And then I'm getting mad at Pete for putting me in a parking lot to do this shit. | ||
| I'm looking at fucking Sandia Hotel, getting ready to go like this most epic death on, you know, you it doesn't get more epic than that guy, really. | ||
| Put in the tunes, and they built this big stage that was like four feet high in the the rocks, and then surrounded it by green screen, and cameras on the phantom camera, which is that Uber slow motion, that's where you see the the spit coming out of Murph's mouth and all this, | ||
| and and I just broke down, like just I puddled myself right before it was just like months and months and months of thinking about it, and uh and prepping and putting so much pressure, and then I had explosions in my head, and I was like, God damn, this is too like you're overwhelmed with emotion. | ||
| And Pete comes up and he's like, get it out, and so I took five minutes, camera crews waiting. | ||
| We did like I told Pete I want that rifle to him to climb up with the the rifle, and um I think we did three takes, and then the camera crew, Jacques, was uh he's a DP, he DP'd American primeval, but he was a camera op on on loan, and uh he was working that slow-mo camera, and he just goes to Pete, he's like, We've got it, we've got it. | ||
| But is it weird watching it on film knowing that you shot it in a parking lot, like trying to this is the first time I told this story. | ||
| Um very much like we would go we went and screwed the first time I saw this film, man, was in uh I think it wasn't Redskins, it was Denver, the Broncos. | ||
| We go and show this to the Broncos, and uh Robert Griffin the third was the quarterback, I think. | ||
| Yeah, he was there, and um I was with Ben Foster, and Ben had seen it, and I was I watched it the first time with the Denver fucking Broncos sitting in this theater, and I was a mess. | ||
| A mess. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, it's just the pressure, right? | ||
| I think. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But I love it. | ||
| Do it honor. | ||
| Yeah, truly. | ||
| And then my first email was to Dan, his dad, and he thanked me, and that's all that really f and Marcus. | ||
| But yeah, they thanked me, and that was really all I fucking need. | ||
| That's gotta be a very intense kind of a role because you're playing a real human being whose family's still alive. | ||
| Maureen, Johnny, Dan, uh, the whole family, and there's a destroyer, uh fucking beach, uh male uh UPS, or not UPS, but like a fucking um stamp or whatever named after him. | ||
| There's fucking it's insane. | ||
| There's all these huge uh honorary plaques and statues and all this kind of stuff. | ||
| So if you let it like overwhelm you, it definitely can. | ||
| Yeah, but it's been I mean, that's where all this, my love for these guys is is really stemmed from that, you know. | ||
| Um that's where it's like I I've played SEALs a lot, and it's it's I'm never raised military or my grandfather, sir. | ||
| But it was it's an infectious group, man. | ||
| It's like a brotherhood that's so real, exceptional humans. | ||
| Truly, truly, and people don't understand these guys are the best fucking problem solvers on the planet. | ||
| They're doctors, they're lawyers, they're fucking smart. | ||
| And uh, so I don't know, I've just been embedded, and I think once you're in with these guys, you know, um you're you're you don't take it for granted. | ||
| It's like I made calls to a buddy of mine that uh one of the most decorated seals alive, and uh he trained me for loan, uh Ray Mendoza. | ||
| He just came out with Warfare, uh, that movie that's uh his best friend, uh, his story. | ||
| And um, unbelievable guy. | ||
| But I'll call Ray, and Ray was doing second unit on on uh terminalist Dark Wolf, and he's like a brother to me. | ||
| And no joke. | ||
| You're like, hey man, I need a favor. | ||
| And he's like, he'll fucking bury someone for you. | ||
| This guy, like, yeah, what do you what do you need? | ||
| What what is it? | ||
| And it's like it's just that whole brotherhood that it's like unquestionably, undeniably loyal. | ||
| Yeah, and like Marcus, like I mean, we're chatting a lot lately just because I'm shooting in Huntsville in a couple weeks and he's not far, but like my my sister, I took some time off to help my sister because she was using uh drugs, and um, and I just needed somewhere to fucking go. | ||
| Just I can't be in Austin. | ||
| I tried LA, she's still using, she's still relapsing. | ||
| I fucking Marcus, call Marcus. | ||
| I'm like, let's I this is what's going on. | ||
| He's like, bring her here, bring her to the ranch. | ||
| There's no fucking fentanyl, there's no heroin, there's no meth on this fucking ranch, man. | ||
| Bring her here. | ||
| And so I she's not using at the ranch. | ||
| So we went to the ranch, and 10 days I know she's gonna be fucking clean. | ||
| Because there's just all we're doing is driving around looking for hogs, yeah, or like hanging out, fishing, whatever it is. | ||
| But he's just a uh beautiful guy, man. | ||
| And where he is now is just he's lighter on his feet. | ||
| It's so beautiful to see. | ||
| He was hurting on loan, going through a lot of fucking um surgery still, all this stuff. | ||
| So uh they're just so loyal and just great guys. | ||
| Yeah, very, very exceptional people. | ||
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| Have you been paying attention to what they're doing in Texas for veterans this I began initiative? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Awesome. | ||
| Huge. | ||
| Awesome. | ||
| It's it's so remarkable how effective it is. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And how many people it's completely saved their life and changed their life. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You know? | ||
| And I was just thinking about that for your sister. | ||
| You know, I don't know. | ||
| Yeah, she's clean ten years now, just under 10. | ||
| That's amazing. | ||
| Yeah, thanks. | ||
| Uh she's a nurse now. | ||
| Oh, wow. | ||
| Which is incredible. | ||
| That's great. | ||
| Yeah, she's i it's really kind of like that's where that nonprofit comes from. | ||
| Um I just started it called Howler's Ridge. | ||
| And um, I didn't even know, like when she got clean, like there's some fucking crazy stories I can tell you. | ||
| Um but she's she got clean and she hit me up and she was at a sober escape with all the girls she got clean with. | ||
| And I'm like, what is that? | ||
| And it's basically a reunion with all the people that you went through, your sober living or whatnot. | ||
| The last place she got clean was she was supposed to be there 90 days, she's there nine months. | ||
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Whoa. | |
| Yeah, that's what I said. | ||
| Um and uh so she was at this sober escape, and so Howler's Ridge is basically a place I think we all know an addict if we're not ourselves. | ||
| And uh, and we're gonna help vets as well, but it's the sober side of addiction. | ||
| So it's a place any time you're using, at least through my experience, watching my sister die a couple times, get narcanned a couple times. | ||
| I mean, sh I've seen her detox on my fucking kitchen floor, which is the worst fucking sight of anybody to watch someone in so much pain. | ||
| Um, but um this this spot is for her, you know, where where it all started. | ||
| And this is I think anytime you're using right, we're all habitual humans. | ||
| You work out six, seven times a week. | ||
| Uh you need that for your brain. | ||
| So do I. And once you get in that habit, I change. | ||
| If I don't work out in three, four days, I'm a fucking asshole. | ||
| And I get depressed. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Like I get anxious. | ||
| Yeah, very. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| Me too. | ||
| And and I get and I beat the shit out of myself. | ||
| Right, mentally, yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Feel terrible. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Um, so we all create this environment, whether it's good or bad. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And I think with my sis, I just didn't have anywhere to take her. | ||
| And I needed to pull her out. | ||
| Cause there was a time I she relapsed like four or five times in LA, and I was just finishing True Detective when I got her. | ||
| And uh, I mean, there's stories, but like it's pretty fucked up that whole system. | ||
| Cause you have someone that's dying, right? | ||
| It's someone you raised or your brother, fucking best friend, whatever. | ||
| And uh, I bring her to this. | ||
| Well, first she had to detox, which is an incredible story. | ||
| Um my mom calls me and she's like, she's been using for this long, and I go full hero mode. | ||
| I didn't even know what fentanyl was. | ||
| Really? | ||
| Yeah, I didn't. | ||
| This is right after True Detective. | ||
| I really wasn't exposed to it. | ||
| I knew heroin, of course. | ||
| So what is this like 12, 13 years ago? | ||
| How yeah, right in there. | ||
| Whenever the end of the You didn't know what Fentanyl was? | ||
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| I knew I knew like with the seals. | ||
| Um, they had fentanyl patches for the pain. | ||
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Mm-hmm. | |
| And then of course, like, but that's really all I fucking, if that, like, obviously, I educated myself on it after, and it's 20 to 25 times worse than heroin, it's a deathbed drug, put you to sleep. | ||
| And um, so I got this call, and I'm like, I'll get her sober in two weeks, bring her down, like hero mode. | ||
| And she comes, and I had no idea what was going on. | ||
| And she had used right before she flew, and so she was in withdrawal. | ||
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Oh god. | |
| Oh God is fucking right, man. | ||
| And your muscle contractions are so bad that I had this little one-bedroom apartment in Marina Del Rey, 15, like literally a hallway from here, about this long, actually. | ||
| And it's late. | ||
| And um, she's just pacing because she can't sit still because the muscle contractions are so bad. | ||
| And I'm like, Shells, just take it, go to bed, take my bed, and just try and sleep. | ||
| She's like, no, no, no, no. | ||
| You don't understand. | ||
| I have to move. | ||
| And so she tried sleeping, going laying down, muscle contractions are so bad, she fell off the bed, and uh, I'm like, okay, let's go for a walk. | ||
| Like, and the beauty of our relationship, and what I think was a huge factor in getting her clean was the transparency. | ||
| Like, you gotta fucking be real with me. | ||
| Tell me when you used, tell me how often, like everything. | ||
| And she did, which is so tough to hear. | ||
| Um, and so we ended up walking down Abbott Kinney at three in the morning, and no one's obviously out there, and we just did this crazy walk and talk, and I'll never forget it. | ||
| And uh, it's just heartbreaking. | ||
| And I get her and I call uh I'm like, I don't even know she needs to detox. | ||
| So I call the hospital, Marina Del Rey, and they're like, no, we don't take anybody that's using right now. | ||
| You they have to be detoxed, and we may be able to help them after. | ||
| So I'm like, okay, what the fuck is okay? | ||
| We got a detox. | ||
| And um, so I call this place, and they're like an hour away, and she's like, I have a bed for her, and bring her at 6 a.m. | ||
| I mean, got this little wrangler, a two-door wrangler, and she's in the back seat, my mom in the front, and she's like almost kicking the fucking glass out because the muscle contractions of my Jeep. | ||
| And I was like, holy like such a wake-up call that I had no idea it was this bad. | ||
| So reality's kind of setting in. | ||
| And um she kept asking for methadone. | ||
| I want methadone because she had detoxed before and methadone, and um, and so I go to this fucking house, and I knock on the door, and she's in the back seat, she's got her little backpack, and it's this fucking woman, like butchy in like presence. | ||
| She opens the door, she's like, just a matter of fact, where's your sis? | ||
| And I'm like, Oh, she's grabbing her bag. | ||
| She's like, Well, bring her here. | ||
| I'm like, okay. | ||
| Uh Shells, let's go. | ||
| She comes and Shell's like, I need doesn't say hi, nothing. | ||
| She's like, I need methadone. | ||
| And she goes, Well, when did you use blah blah blah and all this? | ||
| And she tells her, and she's like, Oh, you haven't even bottomed out yet. | ||
| We don't treat drugs with drugs here, honey. | ||
| You're gonna you're gonna have some Gatorade and some topical muscle relaxer and you're gonna sweat this out. | ||
| And she goes it's funny now, but Shelby goes to her knees, and she's like, I need methadone. | ||
| She goes, No, no, no. | ||
| What did I just say? | ||
| And she's like, You getting Gatorade, muscle relaxer, and you're gonna watch some movies, and you can smoke, no phone. | ||
| She was incredible. | ||
| Four and a half days later, she called me and she's like, Your sister's good. | ||
| Bring her to a sober living just by Venice High. | ||
| And it's 30,000, like when someone's fucking almost ready to go, you're I'll do anything, right? | ||
| And they know this. | ||
| And so it's 30,000 for the month. | ||
| And it's sober living, you'll have one session, which isn't enough, uh, because she has some trauma, and um uh with a psych. | ||
| And I was like one in 30 days, one every week. | ||
| Oh, and I was like, we need a lot more than one a week. | ||
| And um, so I draw and my sis was a runner, and uh, so do you sign this fucking contract, and it's like if she runs, if she leaves, if she does this, this, this, and that, you she's out. | ||
| We kick her out and we keep your money. | ||
| Two hours in, gone. | ||
| I get a call. | ||
| Yeah, I get a call from this LA number, and I'm like, no fucking way. | ||
| Okay, there's 30 grand gone. | ||
| I'm gonna find another one. | ||
| She went to the another one, a little better, cool. | ||
| Yeah, I got twice a week. | ||
| Two days later, she runs again. | ||
| So I'm down 65k in three days. | ||
| And I'm like bleeding cash, and then I figure out like another spot. | ||
| She stayed like 30 days, relapsed, and then um, yeah, she kept relapsing, and then uh multiple times, Narcanned up in Calabasas, there's a place, and she left, and uh this one girl, | ||
| she had uh night terrors, and um, so they would she had I would walk around Joe with this fucking uh ziploc bag of pills of like antidepressants for her night tears, sleeping pills, all these things to just take away this trauma for whatever beat it would be within her, right? | ||
| And there's an amazing doc up there, and South African guy that deals with women addicts and trauma, and uh she was there for a while, and that was really great, and she got a hold of these sleeping pills, and they're supposed to give you one every night, and the girl put the bottle up on the little half door, you know, those doors swinging doors, yeah. | ||
| And um, so she grabbed the bottle, and she was as a lot of these sober livings are they're pretty incestuous, and and the guys sleep with the girls, vice versa, obviously, and um she was dating a kid named Mike there, and so she went to that part of the house and said goodbye to Mike. | ||
| And to this kid's credit, um, he was like, That's a little weird. | ||
| You didn't say goodnight, you just said goodbye. | ||
| And so she goes up, hammers 60 something sleeping pills. | ||
| Oh, Jesus, yeah, and uh he goes and tells, he's like, Hey, this ain't right, you gotta go check on her. | ||
| So, long story short, call the ambulance, and the medic to his credit is like, go grab the fucking bottle and uh grabs a bottle and shows this medic, and he's like, We're pumping her stomach right now in the ambulance, and um what saved her life were their time release. | ||
| Isn't that fucking crazy? | ||
| Wow, yeah, wild. | ||
| So I got this call and I lost my mind for giving her uh the bottle. | ||
| Um but yeah, she at that point she kind of just fucking ran again, went to a drug house. | ||
| She hates using uh needles, so someone would shoot her up. | ||
| Yeah, so as you know, if you're fucking sober 92 days, whatever it was, if you use what you were using before, you're fucking gone. | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| Yeah, so they drop it's a fucking movie. | ||
| They dropped her off at the stupidest hospital, and she got an arcan. | ||
| I didn't know any of this part. | ||
| I didn't, I wasn't privy to this yet. | ||
| I'm just driving around looking for her. | ||
| And uh anyway, she's just to go back to that environment. | ||
| I'm like, I'm out of money, we gotta, I gotta send you back home to Vancouver. | ||
| And she's like, You put me to Vancouver, I'm gonna die. | ||
| And I'm like, well, it ain't working well here either. | ||
| And uh she was at a psych ward on 34th in Lamar. | ||
| Uh that was a fucked up story, but um for like 10 days. | ||
| Um, but anyway, she got she went to this place called the Westy House in New Westminster, just outside Vancouver, and it's a it was a woman's only, and she was there. | ||
| She ran there, and I got her back in and she got clean and hasn't looked back since. | ||
| She ran again. | ||
| I know, man. | ||
| Vancouver. | ||
| Phone calls must be rough. | ||
| Oh I was I didn't even know what Al Anon was and uh I was at 360 Bridge, there's a church just across 360 Bridge, and uh is at this Al Anon, and uh and I'm waiting. | ||
| I didn't shell's has been gone, so I'm waiting for the call of like okay, she's finally overdosed and gone. | ||
| And so I'm a mess, and I'm in Al Anon, just waiting for this call, and I'm judging everybody in this fucking Al-Anon. | ||
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Like, there's this woman across from me. | |
| She's like, Yeah, my husband, he used and um yeah, I got Christmas with him, and I'm like, fuck, that's easy day. | ||
| I'm like, you don't even know what the fuck I'm dealing with over here, you know. | ||
| And then you hear another story, and you're like, that's bullshit. | ||
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You guys are pussies all in my head. | |
| And uh, so I just listen, it does help or help me a lot, and I come out in this one guy, he's like, Hey, you're heavy. | ||
| You gotta you want to talk or anything, you didn't say a word in there, and and I'm like, right when he said that, my sis called, and she was downtown Vancouver, and she had just used and got scared straight. | ||
| Um guy had followed her and sexually abused a friend of hers in front of her, and she's like, I can't do this no more. | ||
| So she was scared straight, and she was that's what got her sober. | ||
| She got she was downtown Vancouver, called me and she's like, Can you get me back in Westy House? | ||
| And I call Susan was her name, and um call her back, and I'm throwing everything. | ||
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I'm like, I will fucking uh support you guys. | |
| Can you give us a bed? | ||
| Can you get her one more time? | ||
| I know she's not allowed back, and all this, and she goes, I'll call you back. | ||
| And she got she got her bed and she was there nine months. | ||
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Wow. | |
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So what what was it that finally kept her sober? | ||
| Does she say that's a fucking good question? | ||
| Jamie, can you tell uh Jeff to bring in the coffee? | ||
| Um that's a good question. | ||
| I know at times it was like she has we have nieces and nephews, and she wanted to get clean for them, but that didn't last. | ||
| I think it was that moment of getting scared straight, like you just can't keep doing this. | ||
| Um Rock bottom. | ||
| Yeah, I think that's what it is. | ||
| It's so subjective, right? | ||
| Yeah, we all know somebody that's like I stopped drinking yesterday, done. | ||
| Yeah, like my buddy over there, you just met. | ||
| It's just like he went for a few weeks and he hasn't had booze since, and it's like sometimes it just clicks and they're like, fuck this life, I don't want it anymore. | ||
| And some just can't break that habit. | ||
| But yeah, it varies so much. | ||
| Oh my god. | ||
| Thanks, Jeremy. | ||
| Um, she's a lot like me too. | ||
| Super I'll steal some. | ||
| Yeah, some dog. | ||
| Thanks, man. | ||
| Um yeah, it's it's a beautiful story. | ||
| It is well. | ||
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| Yeah, but it it very well couldn't have. | ||
| I mean if that guy didn't say goodbye. | ||
| What is goodbye? | ||
| Why why goodbye? | ||
| What the fuck's going on? | ||
| Yeah, that one guy probably saved your sister's life. | ||
| And I want to fucking kill that guy, by the way. | ||
| Because he's he relapsed with her and used with her at that drug house. | ||
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| So that like for me is a lot a big part of Howler's Ridge, and then with the vets, is we just chatted. | ||
| I love these guys and and the families, and uh, so hopefully we'll have you talk about Ibogain. | ||
| I know it we can't do that in Montana yet, hopefully, but I hope up there on Howler's Ridge, we can maybe in a year or two, we'll see what happens that we can do some of that up there. | ||
| Well, I think it's gonna be so effective in Texas that it's gonna spread. | ||
| And I think the fact that they're starting with uh veterans, yeah, because these guys don't get any support. | ||
| There's I know you think about what they have to go through when they go off to war with the things that they experience, and then they come back and they've lost friends and they've seen their buddies get blown up in front of them, and they're they just they're all fucked up, and then they're hooked on pills. | ||
| And the pills are just you can cookie monster a fucking jar if you want and they'll refill you like and there's different outlets like Virginia, Hawaii, Florida, doctors in each one that are sending you. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| And it's that's you literally at your doorstep, you're getting these jars of pills. | ||
| It's like you're giving and these guys obviously have addictive personalities. | ||
| That's what makes them so fucking great. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's one thing. | ||
| That's a weird thing, right? | ||
| The the addictive tendency can actually make you great at something. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Well, beautiful, right? | ||
| Yeah, I mean if you use it. | ||
| If you harness it, but it can go sideways on you. | ||
| Which is really weird. | ||
| It is. | ||
| That's one thing, and it's funny because uh not that I'm cocky or was cocky with Dark Wolf, but I had played this guy already before, and I lose my trident in it, and Mendoza's kind of getting the parade rest ready and the whole ceremony ready for it, and he's just a brother of mine, and it was a big moment that I learned because these workups, say you work up on a Thursday, and you go at 2 a.m. to 7 a.m. | ||
| And you go take a couple guys out and you come back, whatever, celebrate, probably get have a few drinks, and then you have another work up on Tuesday. | ||
| But let's say you and I go in the fight, and I die on that Thursday op. | ||
| You're back in work up Tuesday morning. | ||
| So this is one thing that really kind of punched me when I was talking to Mendoza because he was talking about some stories where he lost somebody, and I was like, There's literally no fucking time to mourn. | ||
| There's no time to register the loss of this. | ||
| So you're just harnessing this pain and this all these emotions. | ||
| Yeah, and you're just like, okay, I guess I'm back in the fight, and I'm gonna do this for at least another few months before I'm out on my six-month uh tour. | ||
| And that really kind of knocked me out, and that set me free to play this guy a lot more like just knee jerk emotion and way more of a live wire because it's like who the we talk about how subjective mourning is, you know, it's like everyone mourns differently. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So it's like I just made that choice with uh Ben of just like this guy's just a fucking mess. | ||
| And let him just emotionally make these decisions then. | ||
| And that's where I took them. | ||
| And did you have conversations with uh other vets that were addicts and that were fucked up from war and just had all sorts of different kinds of ways of dealing with trauma and all the time, yeah, all the time. | ||
| It's so common. | ||
| It really is. | ||
| It's insanely common. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It only makes sense. | ||
| It would be crazy if it wasn't common. | ||
| I know, yeah, you're saying what you're asking them to do. | ||
| I know. | ||
| And we don't know the half of it. | ||
| No, we really don't. | ||
| We don't know any of it. | ||
| We did we don't experience if you don't physically experience it, you're just making things up. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You know? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And I mean I think uh obviously with Red Wings and and stuff like that with loan, but then you talk to these guys in between takes and they're pretty transparent, which is beautiful that they're talking about it and all this, but it's like, where are they putting this fucking energy after they're out? | ||
| Like they gotta find another purpose that's so fucking heightened when you're serving. | ||
| There's no bigger purpose. | ||
| You're fucking killing bad guys. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Like that's incredible with your brothers right next to you. | ||
| Like that's a heavy fucking thing to carry. | ||
| And then when they come out, now what? | ||
| Right. | ||
| I'm gonna go walk fucking Walmart and just be a dad, and that's just a whole nother life. | ||
| That's one of the things I really loved about Hurt Locker. | ||
| Yeah, fuck me. | ||
| It was such a good movie. | ||
| Yeah, and it was so good the way he explained or or the way it played out, how this guy just could not go back to normal. | ||
| Like it it just wasn't working. | ||
| He he didn't give a fuck. | ||
| He'd rather be back out there. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Downright. | ||
| I mean, you look at Marcus too, after Red Wings, he went back to Ramadi. | ||
| Yeah, which is wanted to die with his boots on. | ||
| I mean, these guys are fucking this is kind of the UFC, right? | ||
| Of like these guys are modern day fucking gladiators, warriors. | ||
| And I I know they're not in the front lines or downrange, but it's like you you got a guy like Marcus or the Mendoza or these guys that are just truly born warriors. | ||
| Yeah, There's just a they are a different breed. | ||
| Well, that's why they get it through buds, too. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You gotta be a different kind of human. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Yeah. | ||
| More mental than physical. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I mean, Mendoza was running buds too, and he would say a lot of times you look at these fucking scrawny guys. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Those are the ones that make it. | ||
| And then you got the D1 athletes that haven't had or gone through a whole lot because they're gifted athletically. | ||
| Up here though, they're not as strong. | ||
| And that fucking scrawny guy over there is bringing that D1 athlete with them. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Those stories that's kind of the case with fighters too sometimes. | ||
| Sometimes it's the guys that aren't talented that wind up being champions, they're tougher and they work harder. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Because they don't have it given to them easily. | ||
| You know, they can't half ass in the gym. | ||
| They have to be all in. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's the life. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's the sacrifice. | ||
| What are you willing to do? | ||
| And you you, you know, you have to be all in in that job. | ||
| Both jobs. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And comfort can kill you. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| In everybody's life. | ||
|
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Yeah. | |
| Yeah. | ||
| I hate it. | ||
|
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I know. | |
| I know. | ||
| I hate it. | ||
|
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I know, man. | |
| I would have thought that one day that I'd be wealthy and that I'd be just fucking chilling and going to the beach. | ||
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Like, no, now you're going to college every morning. | |
| And yeah, no, I I fucking hate it. | ||
| I think it's the enemy. | ||
| It really is. | ||
| It's the enemy of happiness. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Really? | ||
| Even like me with acting, it's like I live for it. | ||
| I love it. | ||
| And I honestly do believe I've just worked my way through stubbornly. | ||
| Like I'll just outwork people. | ||
| It's not like I was gifted this talent or it truly isn't. | ||
| I'll just outwork people. | ||
| And then now it's like 44 now, which is crazy. | ||
| And um now I'm starting to be like, okay, you're thinking about kids, you're thinking about I need a little more balance. | ||
| But then I start this balance, and it scares the fuck out of me, and I don't like it. | ||
| How does it scare you? | ||
| Just it's the comfort, right? | ||
| It's like, oh kits, don't take this. | ||
| Just go keep fly fishing, keep you know, just go on a motorcycle trip, go which is great, and I'll still do it, but I'm just so conscious of it of like don't get fucking comfortable. | ||
| Don't think, don't rest on your work, you know. | ||
| Comfort's not bad if you earn it. | ||
| Right. | ||
| But you gotta earn the fuck out of it. | ||
| Where like when you're sitting on that couch, you know that you actually need to recover. | ||
| Like if you're gonna keep going, you need to recover. | ||
| So like watching South Park is probably good for you. | ||
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| Actually, like medicine. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, you know, just fucking let me just zone out and there is that. | ||
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I think I don't know. | |
| Do you have that with the the fear of failure still of just like of it all falling apart? | ||
| That and like I'm on set in two weeks and I'm fucking scared. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And it's a heavy roll, shit ton of dialogue. | ||
| I think that's because you're doing the right thing. | ||
| It's because it's what you're supposed to be doing. | ||
| But I can't sit on that fucking couch because I'm like, what the fuck are you doing, kids? | ||
| Well, now you can't sit on the couch because it's getting ready to be go time. | ||
| Yeah, but that's why you you're doing what you do. | ||
| I mean, you you have to be a little scared of what you do. | ||
| You have to be. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Like Monday I'm going elk hunting. | ||
| Yeah, kind of freaking out. | ||
| Which I always do. | ||
| Because it's hard. | ||
| Yeah, it is. | ||
| It's I got in shape. | ||
| I got like uh did a lot of cardio, a lot of leg workouts, because you go on, you're huffing it up those mountains. | ||
| I've I shot three hours of arrows today. | ||
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Fuck. | |
| Three fucking arrows. | ||
| I'm pulling three hours I'm pulling back an 80-pound bow. | ||
| No joke. | ||
| Yeah, it's it's a lot of work, man. | ||
| I work hard, but it's because when it's there, you want to be prepared. | ||
| So leading up to it, I get like fucking super serious. | ||
| I get like really like where it's it's with me all day long. | ||
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It's with me while I'm marching my team. | |
| I know it. | ||
| With me when I'm putting in my underwear with me, when I'm sitting in the cold plunge, I'm thinking about the mountains. | ||
| Because it's a hard thing to do, and that's why I do it because I love it, and but it's also because it's a hard thing to do. | ||
| And when you're getting ready to do like a role that's like a fucking intense role, the nerves are a good thing. | ||
| They're your friends. | ||
| Yeah, that feels like truly keeps you on it. | ||
| Yeah, you can't eat like that's that's your friend. | ||
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Or you're looking through my girlfriend. | |
| Yeah, you barely listen to it. | ||
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Running lines, yep, yep, yeah. | |
| Fucking what if I do this in this scene? | ||
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Uh-huh. | |
| But they want to talk about Taylor Swift's engagement, Rick. | ||
| Like, I can't. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| I can't hear. | ||
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And then you're an asshole. | |
| Right. | ||
| Like, what did you say? | ||
| You're not listening. | ||
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I was. | |
| I was listening. | ||
| I just spaced out for a second. | ||
| I'm sorry. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| And then you go back to being spaced out after apologizing. | ||
| Or I'll just literally be like, I'm going on a bike ride. | ||
| And I'm gone for two, three hours, and then I'm running shit in my head, or it's so true. | ||
| But it's the same. | ||
| I equate it to like when we're rolling. | ||
| It's like you ain't hiding no more, kids. | ||
| You fucking, you're in it. | ||
| It's the same thing. | ||
| Once you get exposed to that elk, it's like this is your fucking moment. | ||
| Yeah, you're in We're gonna see if you did the work. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| 100%. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I think people all everyone needs something like that. | ||
| But it scares people, so they shy away from it. | ||
| And they look towards something that's guaranteed. | ||
| You get a guaranteed paycheck. | ||
| It's easy, it's simple, but that's the that's that's your enemy. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's how it that's how your life becomes this just dull shade of gray. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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I know. | |
| Yeah, not good. | ||
| You're very fortunate. | ||
| You're very fortunate. | ||
| You've been able to do what you love, and that what you love is you know, it's it's very exciting. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Like, and it's very exciting to other people. | ||
| It's very rewarding. | ||
| Like I do, I fucking loved you in American primeval. | ||
| Oh, thanks. | ||
| That role. | ||
| That was my gladiator. | ||
| That was intense. | ||
| That one scene where you're getting changed where and you see all the fucking cuts all over your body. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You like like, whoa. | ||
| Like it just That scene, I lost a bunch of weight for it. | ||
| Um, and then uh Howard Berger did my makeup for that, and he's fucking incredible. | ||
| And uh that scene, man. | ||
| Um That's he meant a lot because it's it's everything. | ||
| You saw that that guy is raw naked with his Shoshone brother and with startup with the covered in scars, and then goes into that uh teepee with the chief, the m the mother of his wife that he lost. | ||
| And I wrote that scene, man. | ||
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Whoa. | |
| Yeah. | ||
| And so Pete Pete and I came up with its only pain, and then I I broke my foot and got a fucking bone cut out of it on this that show. | ||
| And you know the scene where bone cut out of it? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Why they cut a bone out? | ||
| So there's a scene where I go down to get horses, and I kill five or six guys at this skinning camp, and I think it's episode two, and Betty Gilpin, who's amazing, comes down and she's like, didn't trust me, and she comes down, I have to kill these guys. | ||
| During that sequence, uh, I broke this my foot and they call cut, and I go to uh Dashenaw, the stunt coordinator, and um I'm like, Oh, it's broken. | ||
| And he's like, I've worked with him for 15 years, and he's like, Don't fuck with me. | ||
| And I'm like, no, dash, it's broken. | ||
| I got the shooting pain in my groin, and he's like, get the fuck out of here. | ||
| And I'm like, yeah. | ||
| So finish the scene, and they they spray fucking biofreeze on my foot, and I'm like, guys, it's broken. | ||
| Like, I'm fucked. | ||
| And so I go to Bozeman, and he's like, it's this small bone right on the side of your foot right there that goes up and down right here. | ||
| Next to your toe? | ||
| Uh connecting my big toe. | ||
| It's on the side bone on my big toe. | ||
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Uh-huh. | |
| And uh, so he's like, Oh, you can wear a boot. | ||
| It's a small bone, so you won't need to, it'll heal itself. | ||
| So I go back and I'm in a boot doing this fucking show, and I got a six foot six uh Wrangler. | ||
| So when I get off that horse 90% of the time, I think his name's BJ. | ||
| Great dude, big cowboy. | ||
| Um, and he's below me off camera, taking my weight because I can't step off the horse because I'm in a fucking boot. | ||
| Medical boot. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And then uh six weeks goes by or a month, and I go back to Bozeman, take my boot off, and uh he does one last x-ray, and he's like, You need to be in surgery today. | ||
| Oh no. | ||
| That's what I said. | ||
| That's a shitty call to Netflix and Pete, and um so I got surgery, and then right before surgery, um he's like, We can pin it, but you're gonna be super active, and it may not take, or I can cut it out and put bone wax on it. | ||
| Bone wax. | ||
| Yeah, didn't know there was a thing that's bone wax. | ||
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I don't know either. | |
| So you just said cut it? | ||
| Yeah, because you wanted to go back to work. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So they cut a chunk of bone off. | ||
| And then what is bone wax? | ||
| I think it just is a protective coating over it. | ||
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Ooh, look at this. | |
| Commonly supplied and sterile sticks usually require softening before it can be applied. | ||
| It's generally made of beeswax. | ||
| Softening agent uses paraffin or petroleum jelly, and it's smeared across the bleeding edge of the bone, blocking the holes and causing immediate bone hemostasis. | ||
| Still don't know what it means. | ||
| I don't know what this means is a tamponade tamponade effect. | ||
| You know, tampon on your foot, bro. | ||
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Yeah, I do. | |
| Wow, that's crazy. | ||
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Oh god. | |
| So does your foot fuck with you now? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's uh if I'm fly fishing or on uneven ground, it's or if I'm doing, you know, if I'm tracking or doing something uh side healing, which I fucking hate. | ||
| Right. | ||
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Side hill hiking, I hate it. | |
| I have a terrible knee as well. | ||
| That's where it bites. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And then um, yeah, so I d dealt with that. | ||
| We had to I had to be on the couch for six weeks, but my first day back was those two scenes, and I had called Pete, and I'm like, hey, I wrote this scene. | ||
| I'd love because that scene was exposition with my mom at first. | ||
| We were talking about Red Feather and stuff, and uh I'm like, this is my first day back after losing them that I haven't seen her since I've lost her daughter and her grandson. | ||
| So this guy can't get through anything. | ||
| Uh so that was the crutch, and thank you for noticing. | ||
| That's the crutch of that whole arc to that guy. | ||
| Yeah, it was an intense scene because he it was so realistic. | ||
| Yeah, like what that's what a guy would look like. | ||
| Like I I hate when you see someone who looks like they've been living an easy life. | ||
| Yeah, and they take their shirt off and they're supposed to be like in some rugged outdoor environment. | ||
| They just look soft. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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Or he's stacked and looks incredible. | |
| Nice like he's being in the gym, yeah, eating creatine. | ||
| No, you you look like a hard man, like a hard man who's been through some fucking hand to hand combat. | ||
| Yeah, it looked very realistic. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Do you have to starve yourself for that? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| How much did you have to lose? | ||
| Just to get out of here. | ||
| I had time looking. | ||
| I had time, which was great. | ||
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Um I lost 30 for that. | |
| Whoa. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's a lot of weight. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But I had done it, I did this one film called the Bang Bang Club here. | ||
| I was just living off Lamar here. | ||
| And um I play this drug addicted uh true story about these war photographers right before the during the apartheid, right before the first free election, Mandela's election. | ||
| Kevin Carter's his name, he won a Pulitzer uh for this epic shot that he took. | ||
| Um got a lot of uh flack for it, and ended up taking his own life. | ||
| Um but that I had 30 days to prep, and I lost 35 in 30 days. | ||
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Whoa. | |
| And I remember going just over I 35 here to this dock, and my heart rate was fucking low 20s. | ||
| Oh god. | ||
| Because all I was doing was running coffee, and I would uh the broth can be super salty, sodium heavy. | ||
| So I'd filter that and then just have broth and broccoli for dinner. | ||
| Oh my god, you're just starving yourself. | ||
| Yeah, it was bad. | ||
| And then I got a thyroid problem from that. | ||
| And uh that doc, that doc was like um, hey, you're gonna fail this uh physical, just so you know, and I'm like, what do I gotta do? | ||
| I'm going to Africa next week. | ||
| And he's like, do some push-ups. | ||
| So I did push-ups and got my heart rate into the low 40s, and he's like, okay. | ||
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Wow, but I know. | |
| That's crazy. | ||
| That's I was hurting. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's nuts, dude. | ||
| And then I was hurting, they would shoot me out on Bang Bang Club, like just shoot your coverage and go. | ||
| Go back to bed. | ||
| And uh then I ended up getting a nutritionist there, and uh, she helped me a little bit, but that was a quick shoot, but um, that's where I think I fucked my body on that one. | ||
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Wow. | |
| And then Koresh again lost weight for that. | ||
| That was great, by the way. | ||
| Thanks. | ||
| That fucking whole correction is so crazy. | ||
| I know, man. | ||
| What is it like doing that movie? | ||
| Because it's another real life. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That was I was just prepping right there too. | ||
| Um That was almost too long a prep. | ||
| Here's me saying I love prep, but I had six months to get into that head space, and it just the last month I tried to pull out of the show. | ||
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Really? | |
| Yeah, because I was just this is I was just you're holding hoarding all this energy, and you I lost the weight, learning to play guitar and sing, which was a fucking comedy. | ||
| Um I'm fucking terrible. | ||
| He was terrible too, though. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That literally helped me. | ||
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I would listen to Dave and I'd be like, wow. | |
| No idea how he got people to follow him with that fucking terrible thing. | ||
| If I was in that call, I'd go, yo, this we gotta re-evaluate. | ||
| This guy is not Christ. | ||
| He is not the leader. | ||
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He's actually kind of fucking terrible, right? | |
| Should we leave? | ||
| His fucking music sucks. | ||
| It's just what is it like getting in the head space of someone who's that depraved, too. | ||
| And and who has that kind of like sick control over people. | ||
| Why? | ||
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Figure out the why. | |
| Did you figure it out? | ||
| Yeah, I think so. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Um, go to his childhood, which was fucking terrible. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| Um, like you don't become a cult leader of everything's awesome when you're a kid. | ||
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Two great healthy parents. | |
| Always giving you hugs, siblings. | ||
| And you decide to be a cult leader. | ||
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No. | |
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He memorized the Bible by 15. | ||
| Whoa. | ||
| Which is fucking Hudson Township. | ||
| That says enough right there. | ||
| Huts and tense. | ||
| But he was like tied to a radiator on his birthday, like abused pretty hard. | ||
| And um I almost bought his car. | ||
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Oh my god. | |
| I tried to pull the trigger on his car. | ||
| He had a 1968 Camaro, and uh a buddy of mine texted me and said, Yo, the uh David Crush's car for sale, and he knows I'm a car head, and I'm like, I love cars, especially old muscle cars. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I got a bunch of them. | ||
| And I have a 69 Camaro. | ||
| And I was thinking about at the time I didn't have any Camaros, but I was thinking about getting like 68 or 69 or 67. | ||
| I like the 69s a little more, a little wide body. | ||
| But uh then I found out it was Koresh's car. | ||
| I was like, whoa, that would be wild to drive to the comedy store and David Koresh's Mustang. | ||
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In Texas. | |
| Or he's David Crush's Camaro, rather. | ||
| But then I thought about it, I said, you know what? | ||
| I don't want it. | ||
| I don't want anything from that guy. | ||
| I don't want that. | ||
| It's a mojo. | ||
| I don't want I don't want to hold his steering wheel. | ||
| No. | ||
| I don't want to sit in his seat. | ||
| I don't want it. | ||
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No. | |
| I don't want it. | ||
| Also, what a piece of shit. | ||
| That guy's a preacher. | ||
| He's driving around in a muscle car, like for sure, right there and then. | ||
| Terrible season muscle car. | ||
| Ego. | ||
| Little bit of an ego. | ||
| I mean, not that you can't enjoy I love them. | ||
| I think they're one of the greatest accomplishments of American engineering in terms of like a piece of functional artwork. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| American muscle cars. | ||
| I love them. | ||
| I'm that way with moto motorcycles too. | ||
| And I got to set, we shot actually in uh Waco wanted nothing to do with us. | ||
| So yeah. | ||
| Rightfully so. | ||
| So we shot that in Santa Fe. | ||
| Like to change that. | ||
| And uh Waco's a great town, by the way. | ||
| Yeah, it's great. | ||
| It's grown like enormously too. | ||
| Um but um yeah, his motorcycle came for sale, and obviously they knew we were making it. | ||
| I kicked tires on it, and uh they wanted just it was probably worth two grand, they wanted 15 or something, and it was just like go fuck yourself. | ||
| Right, they were just honestly like you just said, what am I gonna do with his moto? | ||
| Yeah, I thought it was I was I thought it was silly at first, and then after a while I'll be like, I can't do this. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| I when before we opened up the comedy mothership in town, I was under contract for this place called the One World Theater that was also owned by a cult. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| No way. | ||
| Yeah, the one world theater, you know where it is? | ||
| It's on B Cave. | ||
| Well, this is what's fucked up about the story. | ||
| Ron White performed there once because they have concerts there. | ||
| And Ron White did stand-up, and we were talking about opening up a club, and he said, You should buy that place down on B Cave, it's the fucking shit, it's beautiful theater, I think it's for sale. | ||
| I played there once, it's amazing. | ||
| I was like, all right, well, Ron White's the fucking man. | ||
| If he tells me, I'll go check it out. | ||
| And I check it out, and I'm like, yeah, we could do this. | ||
| Let's do it. | ||
| And so sign the contracts, all that, and then I get a call from my friend Adam, he goes, Hey, did you ever watch the documentary on that cult? | ||
| I'm like, oh no. | ||
| There's a documentary. | ||
| The documentary is called Holy Hell, and it's about a guy who is a gay porn star and a hypnotist that was a yoga instructor. | ||
| Oh my god, checking every book. | ||
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Yep. | |
| So it's yoga instructor in Hollywood, and then the cult in Waco gets taken down. | ||
| And then he is on the run now because now the cult awareness network starts going after all these cults after Waco. | ||
| They like, hey, you know, people's children are getting kidnapped essentially by these fucking maniacs, and you know, winds up being like Waco, we've got to stop these cults. | ||
| And so he moves to Austin and changes his name. | ||
| And uh has a the you know, this is the 90s, you could get away with changing your name. | ||
| Yeah, nobody no internet. | ||
| And so this guy has his followers build him this theater so he can dance in front of them. | ||
| The documentary is bananas. | ||
| And I see the documentary, I'm like, oh my god, I gotta get out of this. | ||
| After I see the documentary, I'm like, I gotta get out of this deal. | ||
| I gotta get out. | ||
| And fortunately, there was a problem. | ||
| Fortunately, there was a problem, because you know, you got a bunch of cult members building the place, they're not gonna do it to code. | ||
| No. | ||
| And so it was just like his residence. | ||
| Yeah, there was a lot of shit that was wrong, a lot of wacky shit. | ||
| They didn't want to pay for it. | ||
| I'm like, let's just cost me a little bit of money, and I got out of it, and then we eventually got the writs on on Sixth Street, and that's the perfect spot anyway. | ||
| But uh it was the thing of being in that building, yeah, knowing what happened. | ||
| I'm like, I can't handle this. | ||
| Different energy. | ||
| Wasted their life with this asshole for 20 fucking years, and there was a bunch of them crying at the end of the documentary. | ||
| Like, I I lost my life, my life is meaningless now. | ||
| I thought I was gonna be with them forever, and I'm a dog walker. | ||
| I'm like, oh my god. | ||
| I know. | ||
| I can't carry that in this club. | ||
| I can't feel it. | ||
| I'd have to tear the building. | ||
| I just thought it'd be silly. | ||
| Yeah, oh, building built by a cult, perfect, we'll take it. | ||
| But the reality is every cult winds up being the same thing. | ||
| The guy wants all the money and he wants to fuck everybody. | ||
| It's uh almost every one of them has the same profile. | ||
| And fear-based. | ||
| Always. | ||
| Always. | ||
| Always fear-based, always everybody else is the enemy. | ||
| I'm the solution. | ||
| The nutty thing about this guy, though, is that he would do this thing to these people called the knowing, and you had to earn it. | ||
| And when you earned it, it was this very special ceremonious moment, and he would put his hands on their head and he would do something to them, and these people would feel God. | ||
| They would experience God. | ||
| And I know that it has to be some sort of a placebo effect or psycho somatic, some something where your brain triggers this energy. | ||
| But all these people that called him a fraud, that fucking hated him, I wasted my life. | ||
| They all talked about that moment like it was the greatest moment of their life still. | ||
| They're like, I gained a connection to God and to the universe that to this day was the most profound and loving moment of my life. | ||
| It's like, yeah, the guy was a total piece of shit. | ||
| Scam artist, con man, liar, everything was wrong. | ||
| Yet he was still capable of doing that thing to them. | ||
| So condition them. | ||
| Over years. | ||
| Well, he had them thinking about the moment that it was gonna come one day, and then he would take it away from them, and then and then one person would get it, and they would all sit around and watch, and they're like, when am I gonna get it? | ||
| But when they got it, they would all be like, it's because we know that the brain produces psychedelic chemicals, and I guess you can trick it, which is I think what a near-death experience is. | ||
| I think a near-death experience, your body your body's like, hey, it's over, flood the gates. | ||
| Yeah, and then it rolls through, and then you, you know, you go down the the tunnel and light and all the jazz, and you meet dead people. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| But this is I think this is possible with everybody. | ||
| You just have to achieve the right state of mind. | ||
| I know people in Kundalini yoga, the people that are like heavy into it can fucking completely trip balls. | ||
| Really? | ||
| I had a buddy of mine who had done DMT. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| And then he really done DMT a couple times, so he knew what the experience was, and then he really got into Kundalini yoga, and he was doing it for like six months, and then what is Kundalini yoga? | ||
| It's a very specific kind of yoga that involves like deep breath work and there's a lot of like head bobbing, it's very strange, but it's you achieve a DMT-like state. | ||
| He's like, you achieve a full-on psychedelic experience doing kundalini. | ||
| And I was like, whoa. | ||
| And I've always thought about like trying it, practicing it. | ||
| I'm like, eh. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I don't have the time. | ||
| I don't know the time. | ||
| I'm too busy. | ||
| I can't think about some new thing to be obsessed with. | ||
| But but it's my point is that there is some little trigger in your brain that if you can trick your brain into snapping over to on, it just I believe that part. | ||
| This fucking cult guy did it to those people. | ||
| As much as they hated him as much as they knew he was a fraud, he fucked everybody. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| The crazy thing is like they didn't know that everybody was getting fucked. | ||
| And so like one guy leaves the cult and he sends out this group email, like, hey, this guy's been hypnotizing me and fucking me for like ten years. | ||
| And they're all like I thought it was only me. | ||
| And then it became crazy where everybody had a story. | ||
| Oh everybody had a story. | ||
| He would charge them money for these experiences, and then you'd fucking of course. | ||
|
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Jesus. | |
| Hilarious. | ||
| But terrible. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And so I didn't want that building. | ||
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So I didn't want Kuresh's car. | |
| Let me look at that contract again. | ||
| Uh no. | ||
| So when you were getting close and you wanted to pull out, was it just the heaviness of carrying around this guy's weight? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And then I called my manager, Steph, and she's like, give it a day. | ||
| And then the Dowdle brothers who wrote and directed, terrific guys. | ||
| And um, I called John, and I think one thing that set me free probably on month three, because I was really stuck on everything we've just said of like how why am I playing some guy that's pretty fucking reprehensible in a lot of ways. | ||
| But a real person. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Who did real damage to people. | ||
| But I was judging him. | ||
| And that was like really a big block for me because I couldn't understand him more. | ||
| And so once I started to not cast judgment or my own judgment on him and just try and understand and root him. | ||
| Then I was like, okay, I'm gonna fly now. | ||
| Of like this is his childhood, this is why he's doing this. | ||
| And so it's your guys' job can judge away and do all this, but for me to play this guy, I can't bring that to him. | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Yeah. | ||
| So that helps. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I gotta do it and try and root that. | ||
| When you got done with the role, was it like a thing that you had to cast off yourself? | ||
| Like Bang Bang Club fucked me. | ||
| I was hurting pretty bad after I didn't know my process very well. | ||
| And uh, you know, um Kevin Carter was just really, really troubled. | ||
| And he I think it was Mandrax, which is an animal tranquilizer that he would take. | ||
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Oh boy. | |
| Yeah. | ||
| And he would have um Night Terrors and all this. | ||
| There's photos of him, like they called it the bang bang because they had these police scanners, and once they would go this is early 90s, uh in South Africa, and once they heard it on the scanner, it's like a bang bang. | ||
| And they would be there a lot of times before the cops, like some kind of civil rights or civil fight would happen and they would get hear it on the scanner and they'd go like Scooby-Doo kind of shit. | ||
| They'd get there before the cops a lot of time, or the military, and they'd be in the middle of this shooting it, uh, photographing it. | ||
| And you see pics of Kev that are just like him in like one shoe high, hiding behind like a fucking barrel in the middle of this gun fight. | ||
| Like they would get really into it, and then he was a guy that just kind of took everything to heart, you know, of just he would see some fucking pretty abysmal shit and just be like, take it, you know, wear it. | ||
| And uh it just hammered him. | ||
| And so he would take these drugs and just to sleep and just to get over or get through it. | ||
| Um but yeah, that was really tough coming out of him just because I didn't know myself enough or process be able to really kind of became a part of him. | ||
| Yeah, and then the weight and all that, and then with Dave. | ||
| Um yeah, I was so ready to gain the weight back and just wipe my hands with it. | ||
| I always go on a motorcycle trip after, and that sets me free, hop helps me a lot. | ||
| I'll write letters and just burn them. | ||
| That helps a lot. | ||
| They say when you're like, if I get therapy or something, or it's like write a letter and literally watch it burn, and that is something like that's a a mind trick, I'm sure. | ||
| Just like if there's trauma or something, figure out a way to let it go that way. | ||
| Yeah, like a ceremonial purging. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So that was a bang bang was harder than Koresh. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| On me. | ||
| Because you would like not you hadn't been used to carrying around someone else's thoughts. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| And that was the first time I started having really bad nightmares in South Africa. | ||
| And um, and I I just that started fucking with me a lot. | ||
| And then I was really happy it was only a a four week shoot. | ||
| Um did you try that tranquilizer, whatever the fuck it is, so you can know what it's like. | ||
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No. | |
| I've only smoked weed three times in my life. | ||
| Nothing else? | ||
|
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Nothing else. | |
| Little booze. | ||
| Little booze, yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Um first time. | ||
| But just weed. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| Savages. | ||
| Uh with Oliver Stone. | ||
| Oh no. | ||
|
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So yeah. | |
| Oliver goes hard. | ||
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He does. | |
| I was surprised he still smokes weed. | ||
| Oh my God. | ||
|
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Yeah. | |
| And uh I was in rehearsal and he asked me, and I hadn't smoked weed ever before. | ||
| Oh my god. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And I'm playing this guy, this obviously a seal, but that smokes weed, grows weed, sells weed, gets into the cartel. | ||
| And you smoke with Oliver Stone the first time? | ||
| No, my first time he gave me some of his medicinal. | ||
| And I went with a buddy who smokes weed all the time in uh staying at the Shangri Law in Santa Monica while we were filming, and my buddy bought uh brought over um a bong, a water bong. | ||
| Oh no. | ||
| Oh no, that's not how you do it. | ||
| If you could do it the first time, this is what I tell you to do. | ||
| Just go like this. | ||
| That's it. | ||
| That's it. | ||
| Just a little hit. | ||
| You gotta dip your toes in there. | ||
|
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Also known as Quaylutes. | |
| Oh interesting. | ||
| That's what quaaludes are. | ||
| Wow. | ||
|
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What does it say it's it's doing to your brain? | |
| Oh, it's a muscle relaxant. | ||
|
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Yeah. | |
| There you go. | ||
| How do you say that word? | ||
| Methyl qualone. | ||
| Methall, yeah. | ||
| Qualone? | ||
| Combination of drug known as mandrax, sown primarily in Europe, containing 250 milligrams of methylqualone and 20 milligrams of diphen. | ||
| Diphenhydramine? | ||
| In a single tablet. | ||
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Whoa. | |
| That is commercial production was discontinued in many countries during the n mid 1980s due to widespread misuse, addiction, and associated public health concerns. | ||
| Yeah, you know when a popular drug gets pulled. | ||
| It's pretty bad. | ||
| Yeah, that was no joke. | ||
| So just because that was the first time you'd ever tried carrying around someone's thoughts, that was why it was because he was so fucked up. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And I was that actor where it was like I gotta be in trauma too, then. | ||
|
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Right, right, right, right. | |
| Definitely. | ||
| Real. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But it comes out. | ||
| That's the fucked up thing. | ||
| It comes out in the role. | ||
| Like it seems real. | ||
| Like as nutty as Daniel Day Lewis's process is, when that motherfucker is that guy and there will be blood, you believe it. | ||
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I drink your big shake. | |
| He's fucking there, man. | ||
| He's dialed in. | ||
| He's the best. | ||
| But it's just that process has got to be uh fucking soul crushing. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Because you lose you. | ||
| You lose you, and now you're some fucked up person. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Like David Koresh. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Having nightmares. | ||
| Living in a fucking mini hotel room in South Africa. | ||
| Jeez. | ||
| Like lonely as fuck. | ||
| Yeah, it's no joke. | ||
| That was no joke. | ||
| But I th I've learned my process a lot more. | ||
| Did you have to refine it on your own? | ||
| Did you get help with that? | ||
| Yeah, it was Waco that really kind of set me straight in my process, really helped me figure out like my me. | ||
| Because it's all self-exploratory shit as well, as is acting. | ||
| And uh and then I you're just way more conscious of it. | ||
| Of like, okay, like even with relationships of like, okay, that's I s I can get quite short, like be like true detective. | ||
| I was oddly an asshole through the whole thing. | ||
| And I had my best friend of 30 years with me helping me on that, and I was drinking like a f to blackout. | ||
| And that's not me. | ||
| I don't drink much, but I was just a fucking mess. | ||
| And my buddy was is like played in the NHL, AHL, was a fighter. | ||
| Like he would fucking murder me. | ||
| You were getting shitty with him. | ||
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Really shitty with him. | |
| And I would poke him. | ||
| That's booze, bro. | ||
|
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I know. | |
| Booze. | ||
| It is the worst. | ||
| I know, man. | ||
| It's the worst for that. | ||
| So many drunk people get themselves into situations that they really should not be in. | ||
| And I would poke 'em, man, and we'd go to this shithole bar, it's called Sports Harbor. | ||
| I don't even know if it's open anymore. | ||
| But I would fuck around. | ||
| And uh I didn't have to find out, but I definitely was getting that really I was conscious of it, and he would have to have a moment with me of like, hey, you said this last night or do you think it was partly because you're trying to play a detective and detectives are kind of all fucked up, all fucked up in the closet, just a mess. | ||
| Um do you think that's what it was? | ||
| Like Yeah, I do. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Cause after I shed it, or after it wrapped, I was with my sis right after, but I was fine. | ||
| I didn't touch anything. | ||
| But during, I was no bueno. | ||
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Wow. | |
| Even getting ready for this, it's uh I play this um director of corrections in Texas. | ||
| It's a true story about uh the longest hostage situation in Te in the US in a prison. | ||
| It's 11 day hostage negotiation, and Freddie Carrasco is gonna be played by Luna, Diego Luna, who's I can't wait to see what he fucking does with this. | ||
| But um I play the director of corrections, so we're negotiating for 11 days, and I and he's gotta be quite hard on his war in on the guys in his war room. | ||
| And he kind of comes in and he takes over the negotiation. | ||
| Um and he's never done a negotiation before. | ||
| So he makes a mistake here or there, and he fucking pays the piper psychologically for it because it doesn't end great. | ||
| And um, and so I'm starting to get into that mindset, and when I'm it with a buddy or something like that, I can be quite short and you start to see it filtering in. | ||
| I'm like, okay, Jim is settling in me. | ||
| Like I can start to feel it a little bit more. | ||
| I get a little more reactionary. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's so creepy. | ||
|
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Yeah, it's like you're getting haunted. | |
| You're kind of getting haunted by your characters. | ||
| But that's dude, that's why you're so good. | ||
| I I think that's there's something to that, man, because you're fucking believable. | ||
| You know, like I've seen you in a bunch of movies, but it doesn't matter. | ||
| Whatever the fuck you're doing, I believe, even though I know, oh, that's Taylor Kitch. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I've seen him in Lone Survivor, I've seen him in this, I've seen him in that. | ||
| When you're in that, the same as the the Daniel Day Lewis thing. | ||
| That's he's that guy. | ||
| He's that fucking guy. | ||
| And even though you know who he is, that's how good he is that he's still that guy, even though you know who the fuck that is. | ||
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Oh, I know. | |
| It's like the trick works. | ||
| That fucking monologue Daniel Day has on the porch where he's like, I don't to his brother, I think it is, where he goes, I don't like people. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Oh fucking time. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He is the best to do it. | ||
| Such a complicated character he played, too. | ||
| I know. | ||
| It was so much to it. | ||
| He's he's got something coming out soon too. | ||
| His son, I think, directed it, which is gonna be a fucking banger. | ||
| I I think he plays a soldier that comes back or I saw a trailer just yeah. | ||
| Yeah, that's right. | ||
| I saw a trailer recently. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That fucking thing of carrying a guy around like that, whether it's the detective or Koresh or the bang bang guy, it's like that's gotta be fucking exhausting. | ||
|
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Yeah. | |
| Because you're like real light in real life. | ||
| You're friendly and like, hey, what's up? | ||
| How are you doing? | ||
| I was because I didn't know. | ||
| I didn't know what you're gonna be like. | ||
| Everybody's different, you know. | ||
| I heard horror stories of you. | ||
| Have you really? | ||
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No. | |
| No, no. | ||
| I try to be nice, but you know I was just with uh Sheridan the other day. | ||
| Oh, Taylor, I love that guy. | ||
| Yeah, man. | ||
| Beauty love, and of course, Pete and every car, everyone's like, you're gonna have a fucking blast. | ||
| So no, for sure. | ||
| Everybody told me that about you too. | ||
| Oh, great. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But you know, you don't know, I know until you read someone. | ||
| But that I'm glad I didn't meet you while you're on full detective on true detective in full character. | ||
| You know, because full character is fucking crazy. | ||
| You're kind of haunted. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You gotta live it. | ||
| You gotta live it. | ||
| I think I mean you look at anybody that's great at anything, you have to that it's amount, It's the amount of sacrifice you're willing to give to it. | ||
| Yeah, you have to be truly all in all the time. | ||
| And I think it's that like the fear of failure, and also I don't want to fucking watch it and be like, oh can't you didn't know what to do? | ||
| Right, right. | ||
| That would kill me. | ||
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Right, right. | |
| That would fucking kill me. | ||
| Yeah, the the watching a guy phone it in is the m worst feeling as a a a consumer of the show. | ||
|
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Yeah. | |
| Like a a a you know, passenger on the ride watching someone phone it in, like, no, dude. | ||
| Do another take. | ||
|
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Yeah, that's the women. | |
| Motherfucker. | ||
| What are you doing? | ||
| You going through a divorce? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Like, what's going on, man? | ||
| Hey, they're out there, man. | ||
| Can't lock in. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I've worked with some pretty fucking huge names that have apologized. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| After uh a film or at the premiere or something that were like, hey, I'm I I'm sorry, man, I just wasn't there. | ||
| That's crazy. | ||
| Like in my head, I'm like, no, I know. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Oh, I had Charlie Sheen on yes or no. | ||
| No way. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And he was talking about his time doing anger management. | ||
| About he was still really fucked up and just doing way too many drugs and he was trying to be locked in and he was, and he just didn't do it. | ||
| And then he wanted didn't want to do it anymore, so he was miserable while he was there, and he's all fucked up and and he's like apologizing to everybody now. | ||
| I was like, I am so sweetheart of a guy, like a really nice guy. | ||
| He's sober. | ||
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Eight years. | |
| Almost eight years. | ||
| Amazing. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| Damn. | ||
| But y you know, you can see the itch behind his eyes. | ||
|
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Right. | |
| You know, that's a struggle. | ||
| That's sober is a struggle sober. | ||
| Because that guy went through it for so many years. | ||
| The stories that he was telling about, like literally how 1 a.m. to 7 a.m. would go by like that, and then all of a sudden someone was pounding on his door. | ||
| It's time to go to work. | ||
| He's like, I am high as fuck on crack. | ||
| And he goes, and so I have to lie in bed. | ||
| So he'd lie in bed. | ||
| I'd try to close my eyes. | ||
| He goes, I'm not taking a nap. | ||
| He goes, I'm cracked out of my mind. | ||
| My whole body's vibrating. | ||
| And he goes, and then I took a ice cube and I stuck it up my ass. | ||
| Get at it. | ||
| And the ice cube woke him up and got him back. | ||
| Like he was literally falling asleep on the set. | ||
| And he said, give me a couple minutes, and he shoved an ice cube up his ass. | ||
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That movie writes itself. | |
| Bro, that guy went so much. | ||
| You know, you're just going to the fridge. | ||
| I gotta wake up. | ||
| He's literally falling asleep. | ||
| How do I wake up? | ||
| Shove an ice cube up my ass. | ||
| I guess it works. | ||
| What were the other choices? | ||
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Stick a fork into electric socket. | |
| How did you get to an ice cube up your asshole? | ||
| But he was going that hard. | ||
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And you know, it just He's so lucky he didn't die. | |
| So were the uppers and downers and everything. | ||
| The crack. | ||
| Well, people that he the girl he smoked crack with the first time he ever smoked crack with eventually overdosed. | ||
| He told a story about the first time he smoked crack, this girl who's a crackhead, she gave him a blow job while he took his first hit of crack. | ||
| He said, To this day I can't top that experience. | ||
| He goes, To this day. | ||
| He goes, I probably shouldn't say that. | ||
| He goes, to this day. | ||
| This is the greatest moment of my life. | ||
|
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Wow. | |
| Holy shit. | ||
| Like, oh my God. | ||
| Isn't there a doc on him that just came out? | ||
| Yeah, that's what it's about. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He wrote a book and he did a dog. | ||
| Oh, he did. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's doing movies again. | ||
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Is he? | |
| Yes. | ||
| He's excited to be working again. | ||
| He was kind of a little bummed out that it took so long for him to get a job again. | ||
| But a lot of money. | ||
| It's a lot of insurance on the studio, yeah. | ||
| But now he's sober for eight years. | ||
| So believe it. | ||
| Wow, good for him. | ||
| Holy shit. | ||
| What is 60 now? | ||
| He's in his 60s. | ||
| He actually looks good. | ||
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Does he? | |
| So for a long time he looked terrible. | ||
| And I said to him, I go, dude, you look better than I've seen you. | ||
| I mean, I hadn't seen him ever in real life. | ||
| It was the first time I ever met him. | ||
| But it was he looked good. | ||
| He looked healthy. | ||
| Like remarkable for a guy that's gone through fucking abused. | ||
| Twenty years of redlining the machine. | ||
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Just bang. | |
| Twenty years of crack. | ||
| I'm gonna watch that doc. | ||
| Oh, it's the dock is great. | ||
| It's really entertaining too. | ||
| It's really well shot. | ||
| It's really well shot. | ||
| Yeah, really well edited. | ||
| And that story family is pretty epic. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| Oh, Martin's the fucking thing. | ||
| Come on. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Damn. | ||
| Yeah, no, uh, we talked about apocalypse now too, which was really crazy because he was on the set when he was eight years old. | ||
| Eight or ten. | ||
| Ten? | ||
| Ten. | ||
| Ten years old. | ||
| So he's ten years old in the Philippines on the set of Apocalypse now while it's being filmed. | ||
| Yeah, helicopters, fucking Robert Duval, everything. | ||
|
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Yeah, yeah. | |
| Yeah. | ||
| Dude, he was there. | ||
| Ten. | ||
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Oh my God. | |
| And your dad's Martin Sheen. | ||
| And the Philippines back then, too. | ||
| Dude, I love that movie so much. | ||
| I wear this watch. | ||
| This is the Willard. | ||
| This is a uh this is a reproduction of the watch that Martin Sheen wore. | ||
|
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No way. | |
| Apocalypse now. | ||
|
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Yeah. | |
| It's my favorite watch. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Because of that. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Just because well, it's a nice watch. | ||
| It's a Seiko. | ||
| But like they all, the Vietnam soldiers all got Seikos because they were like super durable and reliable. | ||
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Look at that. | |
| That's given. | ||
| Oh my god. | ||
|
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I didn't fucking get it in there, but Oh my God. | |
| On the set of Apocalypse Now. | ||
| In 1979. | ||
| That is crazy. | ||
| Oh, how old was Martin Sheen then? | ||
| Looks pretty young. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I mean What a legend, though. | ||
| He literally seemed like in the movie he was in his early 30s, right? | ||
| Damn. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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Crazy. | |
| I mean you wonder why. | ||
| And then ten years later, literally ten years later, he's doing Platoon. | ||
| Oh my god. | ||
| Which is the next epic war movie. | ||
| Oliver Stone's directing. | ||
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William Defoe. | |
| Willem Dafoe. | ||
| Who's the other guy? | ||
| The other guy with the scars. | ||
| Tom uh who is it? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Dude, that guy ruled in that movie. | ||
| Yep, he did. | ||
| He seems so scary. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Willem's an amazing guy. | ||
| Amazing. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That guy's he I love that guy and everything. | ||
| He was great in John Wick. | ||
| He's great in everything. | ||
| He really is. | ||
| It's great in everything. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Willem Defoe's the fucking man. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But like to be there at 10, watching your dad filming the apocalypse now, and then ten years later, you're in Platoon. | ||
| And Oliver North is directing you, and your narration. | ||
| Oh, excuse me. | ||
| Oliver Oliver North, that's hilarious. | ||
| Oliver Stone is directing you, and you're doing the narration. | ||
| Like the whole thing is ten years. | ||
| How do you adjust to that? | ||
| No, you don't. | ||
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Well, that's how you adjust. | |
| One word. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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Crack. | |
| Well, it took a while. | ||
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That was his drug of choice. | |
| Started with Coke. | ||
| When that girl blow him, when the girl gave him a blowjob while he was smoking crack, it was crack from then on out. | ||
| It's like, I get it now. | ||
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It's a hard sell. | |
| Damn. | ||
| It's just crazy that it's crazy that he's alive. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But all one of the things that we were saying that I was talking to him about, it was like no one could understand what you went through. | ||
| Because no one has ever done that. | ||
| No one has ever been Charlie Sheen at 20 years old and been in Platoon, and you're the toast of the town, and you're a baby. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You know, you're just getting out of high school. | ||
| You know, like what? | ||
| A baby man. | ||
| And then the world's your oyster. | ||
| You're you're doing blow every night. | ||
| And it's chaos. | ||
| Just nuts. | ||
| You're off the rails, and every time you fail, you succeed better. | ||
| Like every every time you go into rehab, there's a better movie waiting for you on the other side. | ||
| There's no consequences career-wise. | ||
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God. | |
| And he just keeps going on. | ||
| The baseball movie. | ||
| God. | ||
| I love it. | ||
| Major League. | ||
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Oh, yeah. | |
| Oh, he was awesome in that movie. | ||
| The best. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I grew up watching that. | ||
| Yeah, dude. | ||
| That guy, that guy's been in some great fucking movies. | ||
| He's been in some great fucking movies. | ||
| But to be him and to, you know, to no, there's no blueprint for that kind of movie. | ||
| What was his bottom out? | ||
| Did he tell you? | ||
| He kind of like there was a bunch of bottoms out. | ||
| Yeah, losing. | ||
| And then eventually two and a half men or something. | ||
| Yeah, it was that, and then it was his behavior afterwards, and then he did he very apologized to Chuck Laurie. | ||
| He says we've talked, I've apologized, we're friends now. | ||
| Like, thank God. | ||
| Like, because I've got to do it. | ||
| Is he live in LA? | ||
| Charlie? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| No wonder. | ||
| Remember what he said? | ||
| I don't think he said. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I don't think I asked him. | ||
| I don't know if he's still there. | ||
| Um, but he's been completely sober for eight years. | ||
| Good for him. | ||
| Yeah, good for him. | ||
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Holy shit. | |
| Like if he can do it. | ||
| Yeah, no shit. | ||
| That guy could do it. | ||
| And he seems to get it. | ||
| Oh, both of them bad. | ||
| Baringer was in that too. | ||
| That's right. | ||
| That's crazy that they played that completely different roles. | ||
| Baringer and Platoon was so scary. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Scared the fuck out of me. | ||
| Damn. | ||
| I love that shit. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| It's just amazing that that guy's life arc to go from being a child on the set of apocalypse now to ten years later starring in Plato. | ||
| Three. | ||
| Yeah, no. | ||
| We were talking about it yesterday. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| I thought it was even more than that. | ||
| I think the entire production asking for mind. | ||
| Forever. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| Francis Four Copeland, man. | ||
| come on. | ||
| He nailed it. | ||
| To this day, I will watch that movie every now and then and just sit there and go, fuck. | ||
| Back then, too, to make a movie like that. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| In 79. | ||
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Oh my god. | |
| Come on, man. | ||
| That movie was epic. | ||
| And it was like one of the first like realistic war movies. | ||
| Then you got Platoon, like you said. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Yeah. | ||
| Epic. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's crazy that he's, you know, he experienced both of them. | ||
| One as a child watching his dad, and one as a star, and all within the span of a decade. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Which is like 2015 was yesterday, man. | ||
| I know. | ||
| That's the one. | ||
| And the most formative years, too. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Ten. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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What were you doing in the Philippines? | |
| That was the other thing. | ||
| He was like, We I didn't know that that world existed. | ||
| He goes, like I was living in Malibu, you know, in this beautiful town on the beach, you know, everybody's like happy and wealthy, and his dad's a movie star. | ||
| And then all of a sudden he's in the Philippines. | ||
| And he's like in Francis Fort Coppola had all these sketchy people on set all the time. | ||
| Like he was so artist. | ||
| He's a nut. | ||
| Like everybody come on and hang out. | ||
| So there's all these weird fucking people around and three year fucking shoes. | ||
| Yeah, in the jungle. | ||
| Yeah, literally. | ||
| Using helicopters from the army, and he was saying that one time the army had to take the helicopters back because they there was rebels and there was a little bit of a big thing. | ||
| Oh my god, they had to use me. | ||
| Yeah, they had to borrow the helicopters. | ||
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There's another movie. | |
| They had the whole scene rigged, they had the river was rigged with explosives. | ||
| They're ready to film the scene, and they were like, No, we need our helicopters back. | ||
| Holy fuck, man. | ||
| We need to go kill some heads. | ||
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It's old school movie making, though. | |
| Yeah, man. | ||
| I mean, if you could go back in time to be on the set of any movie ever, what would it be? | ||
| Damn. | ||
| I mean I've got to I had dinner with Gibson one night, Mel Gibson, and I've worked with um what's his Brendan Gleason. | ||
| So maybe Braveheart. | ||
| That was a big one for me. | ||
| That was a big one. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Boy, that was a movie that made everybody want a sword fight afterwards. | ||
| Totally to get out of that movie. | ||
| Truly. | ||
| God damn it. | ||
| That one was big. | ||
| When he said freedom at the end of it. | ||
| I mean, come on. | ||
| Or when the when the uh when he the king pulls his helmet, he pulls the the helmet off the king and he sees he's fighting for the other side, and then you cut to Gibson this those fucking blue eyes that are trying he's trying to register that it's the king, his king. | ||
| And that moment for me was just like, oh my god. | ||
| Yeah, just beautiful. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Mel Gibson can make a fucking thing. | ||
| He really can. | ||
| He really can. | ||
| You know what I watched uh again recently? | ||
| Apocalypto. | ||
| Amazing. | ||
| Same, by the way. | ||
| No, it's a blockbuster movie that where no one speaks English. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| And no big movie stars. | ||
| Yeah, no big movie stars. | ||
| No one speaks English. | ||
| It's fucking amazing. | ||
| Yeah, it is. | ||
| And he used like real people that lived there. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Good for him, man. | ||
| Good for him. | ||
| What a fucking swing. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He's a fascinating guy. | ||
| Like his brain is like he's just rattling all over the place all the time. | ||
| First time he's on the podcast, he had a pen and he couldn't stop clicking it. | ||
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Oh god. | |
| Like the entire time. | ||
| You fucking crazy person. | ||
| Put the pen down. | ||
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Oh man. | |
| That was a cool dinner, though. | ||
| He told me uh some stories of Braveheart. | ||
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Wow. | |
| Just riding the horse to all these cameras. | ||
| Like ripping the horse to one camera, seeing the shock, going to the next, seeing the shock, going in, doing the speech, going looking to play back. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| Just like, and then he's like falling asleep standing up. | ||
| He was so tired. | ||
| Like that's like epic. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And talk about realism. | ||
| Like those fights. | ||
| Oh no, still holds up. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That soundtrack. | ||
| Come on. | ||
| That was an incredible movie. | ||
| Like my dad played the bagpipes. | ||
| Um he played actually in the world championships in 95 in Scotland. | ||
| Really? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| From Canada. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Went to Scotland. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Wow. | ||
| And then he uh so the pipes to me, like I remember he was an alcoholic and not a lot. | ||
| He wasn't around a lot. | ||
| And um he uh I remember some of my best memories was like you know the fucking sound of the pipes when you're putting air in. | ||
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It's the worst sound in the world. | |
| It's like a rabbit, like getting bludgeoned. | ||
| And we would be at Christmas. | ||
| All my cousins, his side of the family. | ||
| And he would walk downstairs and you could hear this, these fucking pipes getting air put in. | ||
| And you could tell he had a few, and he was he would come up and stand in the middle of the living room and just rip the pipes. | ||
| And everyone's just like full stop and just beautiful. | ||
| And he'd play in in Barbados. | ||
| He worked in Barbados doing a lot of like the pavers, the golf pass, and he'd play at funerals. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| And um when uh how did he do in the world championships? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| That's a good question, but it's a great story. | ||
| Um so prime evil, I was fly fishing in uh the Madison uh just West Yellowstone. | ||
| I had four days off, so I went home to a Bozeman was fly fishing. | ||
| Only my favorite spot on the in West Yellowstone. | ||
| My bro calls me, and he's and I'm like, I just caught like a 20-inch rainbow or something, and I'm fucking ripping into my brother, being like, This fucking I'm killing it, the rod's on fire right now, and he's like, uh so my dad raced cars as well, and his race car name, or is we called him GUI growing up, and he's like, Gooey's got 48 hours to live. | ||
| And I was like, ah, fuck. | ||
| All right, um, literally, just verbatim like that. | ||
| Like, I saw him the last 19 years, I saw him twice, and one time was in Montana, and he had early onset dementia, and uh my brother drove him down. | ||
| Great stories there, but so I drive, I take my adventure van, drive up to Kelowna, my hometown, and um I've got this big beard from prime evil, and I hadn't talked to one of my brothers in years, and then I was still close with the oldest, and get to the hospital, and he's um I turn his wheelchair around, and I'm like, Hey, hey, gooey, and he's like, Who the fuck are you? | ||
| Whoa, yeah, and uh he's on like oxygen, and I'm like, I'm your youngest son, and he's like, What are you doing here? | ||
| And I'm like, I'm just here to say hi and and hang out for a couple days. | ||
| And he was like on point, like his brain was going. | ||
| And um, and it was a little like I hadn't seen my one bro forever. | ||
| So how long had it been since you'd seen him before that? | ||
| Years, a couple years, yeah, probably two years. | ||
| And is it dementia that he didn't recognize you or the beard? | ||
| No, the beard, it was the beard. | ||
| And I was limping with that fucking toe, and um, so uh we go up to his room. | ||
| This is a Friday at noon-ish, and he's great though. | ||
| Like, so we had this young doctor, he's like 40, great guy. | ||
| I go and sit down with him, he's like, I'm like, dude, he's dialed. | ||
| Like, what do you mean he's gonna fucking die? | ||
| Like, he's on point. | ||
| And uh, he's like, This is what happens. | ||
| Sometimes when somebody like this, he doesn't know he's dying, but he is once like all three of us brothers, all three of his sons were there, and it's like a high and everything he's just dialed into it all, and just very present. | ||
| Because everybody's there, yeah. | ||
| And he's like, the doc is like man, I have a feeling all three sons haven't been together with him, and I'm like, in 25 years. | ||
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Wow. | |
| And so we were all there, and I had my assistant back in um Santa Fe, and I was like, hey, my dad played for a Kelowna Pipe Band, and I was like, call her. | ||
| I'm like, you gotta help me here. | ||
| Get a piper and to come play for him at the hospital, and she's like, on it, and she was great. | ||
| And uh the next the next or Friday night, I'm like, gooey, what do you want for breakfast? | ||
| And he's like, give me something I shouldn't have. | ||
| Give me like a fucking Costco muffin, and uh and a stupid amount of whipped cream and a coffee. | ||
| And so, of course, I go overboard and bring him this fucking ridiculous the big chocolate chip muffin and and uh the coffee in the next morning, but he had gone from like dialed to he's hurting, and uh so we got this piper to come. | ||
| We fucking we're not allowed to do this. | ||
| We bring him out in the courtyard, and uh, and the piper comes and he's asleep, and uh she's like, uh, what do you what do you want me to play? | ||
| Like we they know of my dad that he had played for the Kelowna Pipe End, and And I'm like, I don't know many songs. | ||
| And um, I just obviously amazing grace and stuff like that. | ||
| And so she just rips it, and he wakes up, and we're all buckled emotionally, right? | ||
| Because this whole the pipes to us is just like that's our father. | ||
| That's like our only memory, one of our only memories for him. | ||
| So um, she plays two songs, and he's fallen asleep again, and he wakes up and he's and I'm like, Gooey, you got one more song. | ||
| And he's like, Okay, he was a mama's boy, loved his mom, and uh, and she was amazing. | ||
| And um, he's like, play one for my mother. | ||
| So I think at that point, he knew he was about to go see her. | ||
| And uh, yeah, so we have all this on video, and and um his brother was there and his wife and uh his best friend growing up, and so we fucking the nurse comes out after the pipes. | ||
| They're not obviously the whole fucking hospital can hear this, and so we're obviously got caught, and she's like, Bring him up now. | ||
| And so we're like, yes, yes, ma'am. | ||
| So we fucking have him in his bed, and you know those like um wheelchair ramps, uh-huh. | ||
| It's like a hard 90 degree, and he's out, he's sleeping, and my middle, I'm the youngest of three boys, my middle bro's big, and then my other bro's like six, two, big boy too, and we're fucking we got him, and we're stuck in that turn. | ||
| So now it's like weekend at Bernie's and this is like a uh pain movie where it's like he's fucking, I'm like, hey, gooey's stuck. | ||
| Boys, he's stuck. | ||
| We can't get over this fucking corner because the bed's too long, and uh, we're dying like we needed a laugh. | ||
| And uh, so I look down and gooey's arm is like fucking crooked, jammed in that bar. | ||
| Oh no. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| So I'm like, oh, whoa, whoa, back up a bit. | ||
| So we back loosen up, and it's like it's not broken, but we he didn't feel any of this shit. | ||
| So we're like crying laughing because it's like a weekend that fucking Bernie's it's our dark humor, man. | ||
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Right. | |
| You gotta laugh in those moments. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, I guess. | ||
| Yeah, because other we were just buckled 10 minutes earlier, get him to the room, and he's in and out sleeping, and um the next day on Father's Day, uh, I had I had to drive back to Bozeman, and uh we have dark humor, and uh so everyone's in the in the room, and I'm like, all right, get the fuck out of this room, everybody like a joke, but the nurses are like, oh my god, what happened? | ||
| I'm like, oh I'm sorry, it's a joke. | ||
| I just want 10 minutes with him, and then I gotta go. | ||
| I gotta go back to work, but I'm gonna say goodbye. | ||
| And so they leave, and uh he's like kind of in and out of consciousness, and he would wake up and look right through you, like he's trying to be with you or present, or I don't know, that's kind of how I took it. | ||
| And uh he's fighting consciousness, I guess. | ||
| And um, small little side note, I was driving, and the shaman who was helping me for prime evil, he texted me once I got into Canada, and he was like, Hey, I had a dream, you gotta fucking call me. | ||
| And I'm like, I don't know if I believe this stuff, but oh I'll call you. | ||
| And so I call him and he's like, hey, something's up. | ||
| And I'm like, I've told three people that my dad's going, and he's like, I had a fucking dream that you're about to lose someone. | ||
| I don't know if they're close to you, and I hate calling. | ||
| This is a crazy call, but I'm gonna listen to this. | ||
| And I'm like, man, I'm on my way to say goodbye to my dad. | ||
| He goes, Okay, that's what it is. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Weird is that. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| What is that? | ||
| I know, I don't know what that is. | ||
| I'm still and uh he's like, How look, tell me about your dad. | ||
| What what kind of guy was he? | ||
| I'm like, not very present. | ||
| He drank a lot, and uh, you know, some regrets, of course, and um this and that. | ||
| And he goes, Okay, I'm gonna set up an altar and pray for him, and this is what I think is gonna happen. | ||
| Um he's not gonna go cross over very easily because of the life he's lived. | ||
| And so when I'm one on one with my dad, I started the conversation. | ||
| I'm like, gooey, it's me. | ||
| And uh out, and he had uh soft hands. | ||
| That's one thing I remember. | ||
| So I grabbed his hand and our humor. | ||
| I'm like, yeah, these are a little fucking soft gooey. | ||
| Like maybe you should have worked harder, like no calluses, like nothing. | ||
| Just you know, just trying to and then I went into like the nonprofit, and I'm gonna do this and I'm gonna try and get back and this and that, and I promised him. | ||
| And um, and during that conversation, he would try and like be conscious and he was fighting to be there present. | ||
| Yeah, but he was I think gone. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Um and then two hours I I left, and then I on the way home, I broke all and he had passed on Father's Day, and then um then I was back to work on Tuesday, fucking riding banana bread. | ||
| Wow, my horse. | ||
| Yeah, with like Shea Wiggum, who's an amazing actor. | ||
| He played Jim Bridger and that, but um, yeah, Pete was great with me. | ||
| And did that help you like hold a feeling of loss for your your character? | ||
| I think it I mean, how crazy art simulating life and vice versa. | ||
| Especially when I'm playing a guy mourning, right? | ||
| And then all of a sudden, like my father who I didn't really have died. | ||
| But it's still your dad, you know. | ||
| And um, and Pete was like, hey, this, you know, do you want to ride banana bread into this into this shot or walk him? | ||
| Or and uh I'm like, I'll I'll ride him in. | ||
| And I was doing a scene with Shea Wiggum, and it was beautiful because I was upset that some knew that it's my news to tell, you know, but some had already knew the crew. | ||
| So I was a little rattled at that when I got to set because everyone was very fragile with me, which I understand. | ||
| Right, but I was like, whoever told you guys it's not your story to fucking tell, it's mine if I want to share it with the crew or whoever. | ||
| But so I was a little upset on and set, but then a lot it was so beautiful, man, because a lot of these older guys on set would just come up and be like, Man, my father was this guy to me, this guy, but you know, I just I feel you, and they would share all their father stories. | ||
| So it was a beautiful experience, and um Pete was great, and Betty Gilpin was amazing, and and that scene I just buckled, like walked away from the uh Fort Bridger, and I just was pretty emotional and and uh Pete was like amazing, and then we shot the scene, he's like, Go home, and then I got to my trailer, and literally to the minute uh of when I went down, that was the minute he got cremated. | ||
| Wow, yeah. | ||
| And then um, but I do think it it was really cathartic to be playing that guy, and then I had a beautiful sweat after, and I mourned him the right way, you know. | ||
| It did knock me though, for like I'd say six months after I was like, What am I doing? | ||
| Am I doing everything or enough? | ||
| Am I living my life enough? | ||
| Because I even if he's not in your life, you're still like to witness that is it was heavy. | ||
| Yeah, but I had mourn him right, and uh, you know, I'm in a good spot now, but it it was an interesting thing of you just take stock, I guess. | ||
| I've never lost somebody close to me. | ||
| Um, especially in that way. | ||
| So yeah, it was just a a blessing to be still on set working and doing that. | ||
| Yeah, sometimes you just need to appreciate people, and sometimes it takes a loss before you appreciate others sometimes. | ||
| It's just like you just get too used to people. | ||
| You get you too used to them being around, you take them for granted. | ||
| Yeah, and then if they're gone, you just that's you know what, Joe? | ||
| That's what I was fucking literally saying. | ||
| He's just gone. | ||
| When I was just like that. | ||
| Lived in New York uh at a best friend that was a drug addict, and uh he was uh a crack addict at one point in time, and then uh later he started getting into uh harder stuff like opiates and he died of an overdose. | ||
| And um I moved to LA in 94, but you know, we stayed friends, we hung out. | ||
| Uh, he would come out to visit me, I'd go to visit him, but he was always fucked up. | ||
| He was always a mess. | ||
| Came to my house once, detoxed. | ||
| I didn't know that that's why he wanted to come to LA. | ||
| But he came to LA and he was just so sick, he just laid in bed for four or five days. | ||
| Brutal. | ||
| And then, you know. | ||
| A couple days later, you had to go back to New York. | ||
| But he uh died of an overdose, and uh another buddy of mine that uh I'm good friends with called me up that we were we were all tight together and called me up, and it just never made sense. | ||
| I was like, How is he not here? | ||
| Yeah, how is he gone? | ||
| Like it it just it just fucked me up where I knew he was gonna die. | ||
| I knew it was gonna happen, but I couldn't believe it happened. | ||
| And then, you know, you gotta go back to work. | ||
| I know back to life, you know. | ||
| Just you and you feel so like a piece of you's missing. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Like the world doesn't make sense. | ||
| True. | ||
| A person isn't in the world anymore. | ||
| It's so hard to imagine until it actually happens. | ||
| So abstract almost. | ||
| And like you said, even if like I had I had enough time to understand he was going. | ||
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Right. | |
| But when they're gone, it's just totally different. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And then you just take stock and you're like, okay, I go am I doing enough? | ||
| Am I whatever it is? | ||
| It's just tell people you appreciate them sometimes. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's sometimes that's all it's. | ||
| And forgave them. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Like I didn't hold I wasn't that son that was like, fuck, where were you? | ||
| Why didn't you do this for me? | ||
| Blah blah blah. | ||
| I was who he is. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| And you learn that as you get older. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| People are who they are. | ||
| And so people also they grew up with monsters. | ||
| That's the other problem. | ||
| If you try to pretend that you know your parents should have their shit together because you have your shit together and they were your parents. | ||
| No. | ||
| Well, it was who raised them. | ||
| They were raised by people living in the depression. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| They were raised by animals. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Like Yeah. | ||
| Truly. | ||
| Humans. | ||
| I've only been truly civilized for the last few decades. | ||
| Truly. | ||
| I think most of history is just horrific barbarism. | ||
| It's just slaughter and crime. | ||
| And repeat. | ||
| And repeat. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Over and over and over again until we developed the ability to communicate how bad that is. | ||
| And it doesn't fix it. | ||
| It it fixes it a little. | ||
| It gets it makes it a little better. | ||
| But still still, even today. | ||
| But the pipes. | ||
| So every time I hear the pipes, I'm like, ah, it gets you. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Oh, I'd imagine now. | ||
| I do want to go to Scotland. | ||
| Scotland's beautiful. | ||
| Yeah, I haven't been. | ||
| I've been there a few times. | ||
| I love it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I love it. | ||
| People are very cool. | ||
| And it's not overcrowded. | ||
| And if you can get past the rain, which is kind of a good break every now, especially if you live in LA. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Yeah. | ||
| It's a good break. | ||
|
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Yeah. | |
| To see rain everywhere where they like good luck starting a fire out there. | ||
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Yeah, yeah, right. | |
| You know. | ||
| And go into the highlands, maybe take a motorcycle trip. | ||
| Or I do want to go and and watch those world championships. | ||
| Oh yeah. | ||
| Oh the highlights. | ||
| So the guy, I hired a three pipers for his funeral. | ||
| Oh wow. | ||
| And I pull in I got this on fucking video. | ||
| And uh I pull into the parking lot, a little church in the middle of my town, and they're doing the fucking putting the air in the bag, and I was like, this time it crushed me. | ||
| And I took a video from my truck and I went out, introduced myself, and he's like, You're not gonna fucking believe this. | ||
| And I'm like, he's older guy. | ||
| Um and he's like, I played next to your father at the world championships. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| Like just randomly, this is the guy playing the funeral. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| And uh he was fucking amazing. | ||
| And uh he stayed a while and then it was like this little church, you go into this little gymnasium kind of spot, and he stayed and played in the in the back. | ||
| Uh and some of my uh that I didn't know, but some uh hit my dad's favorite songs, so I had those on video too, but it was just beautiful. | ||
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Wow. | |
| Yeah. | ||
| And it brought all three boys back together, you know. | ||
| Now we're on good terms. | ||
| It's been super cathartic. | ||
| I was the only one to speak at the funeral. | ||
| And uh I'm in the pew, and it's his sister who I hadn't seen in a decade, And uh my two brothers and their kids, and my oldest is just a puddle. | ||
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He's just he's wearing sunglasses and just a mess. | |
| And the priest was actually quite great. | ||
| He was funny, and uh, and then my other brother was in front of me and he was a puddle, and he doesn't like speaking, and I don't either, as me, I'm I get a little nervous or whatnot. | ||
| I'm always good if I'm in character or hiding behind something. | ||
| But the priest was like, okay, um, now's the time to say something, and the whole church is just like and I look at Damon, my other brother Brody, and then Damon looks back at me, priest looks at me, he's like, now's the time. | ||
| Oh, so you just had a just waiting it was you, yeah, and then my auntie Lee uh just squeezed my hand. | ||
| I'm like, I'm fucking saying something, aren't I? | ||
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And she's like she's like, Yes, you are. | |
| So I get up and I just said, you know, if there's any light to this whole situation, it's that all three us of us brothers are are back on great terms now. | ||
| Oh, that's great. | ||
| Yeah, it's great. | ||
| That's cool. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| And then right back to primeval. | ||
| Yeah, right back to prime evil. | ||
| Go get on banana bread. | ||
|
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Take it out on those motherfuckers. | |
| Man, yeah, what a trip. | ||
|
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What a trip. | |
| Yeah, that is a that's a crazy experience, man. | ||
| When you were doing the Koresh thing, like what was the thing that fucked you up the most about playing him? | ||
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Ooh. | |
| About even preparing to play him. | ||
| Trying to root him emotionally to those circumstances that were so foreign. | ||
| Like the emotional beats of like, I just didn't understand it. | ||
| I didn't understand how someone could do what he did, and then he was very woe is me. | ||
| Like, he played the victim incredibly manipulatively well. | ||
| Uh and I would always say he's like a great coach in and he would a great coach would be like with you, he could train you and push certain buttons, but then he'll do something totally different with someone else and incredibly manipulative. | ||
| So I think just trying to root that and understand like I I don't think I'll ever understand some of the actions, obviously, um to that level, like how someone can do that. | ||
| Um, but it is all out of fear and insecurity and trauma, like that part of it I did understand and memorizing the Bible as a defense mechanism because when he's with there was over 20 theologians that would get on the call with him, | ||
| and if you and I listen to uh child protective service calls, uh obviously all the Nesnar uh calls, uh which was the played by Michael Shannon, who's amazing, and uh and every time he got his back to the wall and they had a point or had something or had a level up on him, he would go right into Bible speak, which nobody could keep up with him on. | ||
| So he would gain that upper hand, and I would just go into a fucking dialogue about a dragon with one eye is about to come and show its face and bare its teeth and take the children. | ||
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Like, what the fuck do you say to that? | |
| You know, if you're on the call, right, right and you're trying to have a rational conversation of like let the children out. | ||
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Right. | |
| We want these kids out, and he goes right, and he just goes into this Bible speak. | ||
| You're like, there's no real rebuttal to that. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And that was he did this with child protective services, too, on those calls. | ||
| He would just go right, and that was such an anchor to him because nobody could play a card like that. | ||
| Right, because as soon as you say words from the Bible, you're right. | ||
| Right to be right. | ||
| And he's merely quirk quoting the Bible. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| And you're you're gonna argue with me, you're arguing with the Bible. | ||
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Right. | |
| It's Trump card. | ||
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Truly, yeah. | |
| Truly, and he would go to like Oxford and have debates with theologians in the classes, and that's how he recruited a lot of people that he would win these debates, and they would come and join, come to Texas. | ||
| Like really, like he would write these letters to people and send tapes to Australia and get them to come. | ||
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Wow. | |
| Yeah. | ||
| Like this was incredibly smart guy. | ||
| Like that you have to give to him. | ||
| That isn't it so fucked up that someone with a brain that works that well would choose to use it in that way. | ||
| All just fear. | ||
| I mean, even the way like he's talking about God and the the end of days and um how he had needs to bear, I think around 22 children that are gonna go up with him and ride a cloud up there and all these crazy things. | ||
| He had the answers to aliens. | ||
| Uh what was that answer? | ||
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I can't remember, but people I do want to know. | |
| The to your point though, it's like he ended up shooting himself in the head, right? | ||
| Which ironically, you don't go to heaven if you do that. | ||
| Which is um, but also like he does all this shit, and I don't know, just that was a big thing for like Paul Sparks and I who played my right hand man of like when we shot that death scene of like, man, like I do wish to your point he was still alive and we could learn shit. | ||
| You know, all these guys, they end this, like they drink the fucking Kool-Aid in the bed or the fucking like it's such a fascinating perspective that I do wish we could break that down and maybe learn something from this, than just him shooting himself in the head and burning a burning in the house. | ||
| What you could learn. | ||
| What you could learn, like, especially after the event, like the raid on the compound and everything. | ||
| Like, what could you all the people are dead? | ||
| Like, how what could you learn from that guy then? | ||
| He's gonna be so fucked up. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I mean, nine people survived that. | ||
| One of the survivors, uh, Thibodeau was there with us, his drummer. | ||
| Oh, wow every day. | ||
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Whoa. | |
| And uh, yeah. | ||
| And uh what did he say he was like it goes back to your point that he still was thinking that he's coming back. | ||
| Oh my god. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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Wow. | |
| So he I know and this didn't come out until our last week of shooting. | ||
| Cause I got along incredibly well with him. | ||
| And he did give us he did write a great book and give me insight to moments that I asked to be in the show, but I mean, he was going I don't know, to North Dakota or the Dakotas to someone had blueprints for an alien warship, and he was going to see these blueprints, and we're just in between takes. | ||
| We're in between takes sitting in our set chairs, and me and Paul Sparks, and we're like, hey, what what are you doing after this after we rap? | ||
| And he went on and and told us he was going to look at blueprints to this warship, and we're like, okay. | ||
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Wow. | |
| Copy that. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So those are the type of guys though that wind up in cults. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Sweet man. | ||
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Uh-huh. | |
| Like, very helpful, was great to us, and was very open, but I mean, a lot of majority of people are followers, right? | ||
| So well, there's a lot of people out there that have brains that don't really work that well. | ||
| Right. | ||
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Just truly. | |
| That's just how it goes. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's a very unfortunate roll of the dice, but yeah, your your brain does not let you navigate through life very well, and you need someone to hold your hand and tell you what to do, even if it's completely illogical. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And those people wound up becoming followers. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I think it was the new light. | ||
| He called it the new light. | ||
| This is a while ago, but I think it was the new light. | ||
| He Dave woke up and he got all the everyone together, and he's like, I just had uh word with God, and it's the new light something. | ||
| And uh it's where I'm gonna I'm the only one now that is going to sleep with the women. | ||
| And this guy named Norm, I think he was Australian, or anyways. | ||
| This guy was like, fuck that shit. | ||
| I'm out. | ||
| And like 20, 30 people left. | ||
| But a lot stayed. | ||
| A lot stayed. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You're always gonna get people that stay, and then they think that if they stay, he'll like them even more now. | ||
| Yeah and those other losers who are in the way of them getting attention from Dave, now I'm gonna be tighter. | ||
| I'm staying. | ||
| Fuck that. | ||
| Yeah, I'm team corresh. | ||
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You could fuck my wife fucking jersey on. | |
| Nuts. | ||
| It is, man. | ||
| It is. | ||
| It's a weird thing that people have like encoded in us to look for a leader. | ||
| I know. | ||
| Very strange. | ||
| I know. | ||
| You know, I think it's just from tribal DNA. | ||
| That's what I'm never thought about that. | ||
| If when we were groups of like 150 people, the only way we could survive, you gotta listen to the wisest, most experienced person, and that's the tribal leader. | ||
| That's how it always was. | ||
| It was the greatest warrior, the one who knew where the fish were, the guys guy who knows what you're supposed to eat and not eat and where the danger is, and you that guy's gonna help you, keep you alive. | ||
| And we always have that in everything. | ||
| We have it in businesses, we have there's always like a one top monkey at the top of the park. | ||
| Fucking carrot. | ||
| It's weird, but you see it in chimpanzees too, man. | ||
| It's crazy. | ||
| It's a primate behavior. | ||
| They're all they'll all those chimpanzees, they have a tribe leader. | ||
| They have one guy who's the fucking top champ. | ||
| Yeah, he's running shit. | ||
| It's weird, man. | ||
| It's like it's encoded in us. | ||
| And so for people that aren't that smart, someone like David Koresh can totally exploit that and go, I am the leader. | ||
| And you're like, wow, I'm so glad I met you. | ||
| I was lost without you. | ||
| You are found now, my son. | ||
| You are found. | ||
| And also like that guy's so confident. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| I'm not confident. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He did say tanks were coming and they're here. | ||
| So literally, that was a big moment. | ||
| That was a big moment. | ||
|
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Wow. | |
| Yeah. | ||
| That must have been freaking out. | ||
| The seven seals, he was rewriting the seven seals, his final days. | ||
|
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Oh boy. | |
| I know. | ||
| The whole rate on the compound thing is nuts. | ||
|
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It is. | |
| Like when you see the fire coming out of the tanks, you're like, what did you guys do? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| There's a guy that ironically was Dick DeGuren, his lawyer. | ||
| And he was speaking in Santa Fe when we were shooting this. | ||
| So I'm like, full fucking stop. | ||
| We're going to hear Dick DeGuren speak. | ||
| He's speaking about Waco. | ||
| He's speaking about his experiences as a lawyer. | ||
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Wow. | |
| And he did. | ||
| And I went and introduced myself, and there's a crazy story. | ||
| It was Dave's mom who called him and was like, This is what's happening. | ||
| Would you go help? | ||
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Blah blah. | |
| He was on a fishing trip, I think. | ||
| And he's like, Yeah, I'm gonna go. | ||
| So he showed up to the compound on the perimeter that was set, and he's like, I'm that guy's lawyer in that house. | ||
| You need to take me over there. | ||
| FBI puts him in a fucking tank. | ||
| And he goes to the front door in a tank. | ||
| Oh and uh the door has this big piano. | ||
| I tried getting this in the sho in the show, and we couldn't. | ||
| But um, so there's a big piano at the front door, blockade, Dave wasn't allowed to walk by the windows, all this kind of stuff. | ||
| This is deep into the 51-day standoff. | ||
| And uh Dave's right hand man and uh the uh played by Paul Sparks and another his lawyer, Harvard grad, I think. | ||
| Um to the door, and Dick's like, Oh, I see uh the bullet holes in the ceiling, couple bodies that the ATF weren't uh didn't allow you to take out. | ||
| Um you got a case here, but where's Dave? | ||
| And they show him the house and all this kind of stuff, and so they're back in the foyer and the piano's against the wall, and they're talking, and he's like, Okay, uh, I don't I want to help, but I don't know where Dave is. | ||
| And he's leaving, and he's like, You got a fucking case. | ||
| And the right-hand man just goes, Dave was in the fucking piano, listening to this whole thing. | ||
| What a psycho. | ||
| And so he got back in the tank, and Dave got briefed of their walk through there, and anyways, uh Dick DeGuerin was his lawyer on that. | ||
| What a fucking story, though. | ||
| How crazy. | ||
| And I wanted to be in that piano and shoot that. | ||
| Yeah, that would have been unbelievable. | ||
| Yeah, that would have been an important part. | ||
| I know. | ||
| It's an important part of the story. | ||
| It really is. | ||
| That's how nuts he was. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| So scared to get shot or didn't trust sh anything. | ||
| God. | ||
| But those guys apparently in that in that tank, they were like ripping Dick DeGuren and like spitting on him and doing this kind of shit because they're like, you do know they just killed a bunch of ATF guys in that shootout as well. | ||
| And you're gonna go fucking be this guy's lawyer? | ||
| Fuck you. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Right so. | ||
| But the thing, like what started off the feud? | ||
| I don't even remember like who's how did bullets wind up flying? | ||
| Yeah, so it was Dave had he was selling like homemade bulletproof vests and was like had these I know. | ||
| Fucking and the ATF were kind of spiraling out. | ||
| Like their funding was about they were about to get defunded, and they needed a win. | ||
| They needed it well, what was it? | ||
| The Ridge of Ruby. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| There you go. | ||
| So they dropped the ball huge on Ruby Ridge, right? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So which is at the very beginning of Waco. | ||
| And they needed a fucking win. | ||
| Here, find a cult leader into weapons, selling ammunition, I think, and bulletproof vests and this kind of stuff. | ||
| And this guy's got these kids and all this is perfect. | ||
| And that started it of just like we're gonna go get this guy. | ||
| And there's a famous tape that we put in the show too, where Dave was like, you know, why didn't you just like he did this run all the time and was kind of just out and about working on the house, running around. | ||
| He had a fucking go-kart track around the uh the compound, and he's like, Why wouldn't you just arrest me when I'm on a run when I'm on this or that? | ||
| But they needed a lot of press and they needed to get funded again. | ||
| So they made this a spectacle, and then it fucking turned into what you saw. | ||
| Like they were they wouldn't let fire trucks come and take that fire out. | ||
| That's a fact. | ||
| And then um they're playing that music of animals being like mutilated into the compound. | ||
| Um yeah, then they were flying the ATF flag. | ||
| I asked for that to be put in, but we didn't put it in. | ||
| But they're flying the ATF flag while it was burning down. | ||
| Wow, yeah. | ||
| It's legit. | ||
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Wow. | |
| Crazy, man. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| They needed a win. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And then that's so dark. | ||
| I know. | ||
| I know. | ||
| Picture I-35 right here, fucking tanks, and all these armored trucks, everything going down I-35. | ||
| It's incredible. | ||
| You know, and they're just sitting right in front of of the house. | ||
| And 51 days is fucking crazy. | ||
| That is crazy. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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Wow. | |
| I know. | ||
| It's just hard to believe that they would do that. | ||
| But then you you read the Ruby Ridge thing, like they shot a woman while she was holding her baby. | ||
| Yeah, man. | ||
| The kid in the back, I think. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, the dog. | ||
| Shot a kid dog, yeah. | ||
| And for what? | ||
| I know. | ||
| For what? | ||
| For nothing. | ||
| I know. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's weird, man. | ||
| It's weird. | ||
| You you could you could be an assassin for the government. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And even just think you're just doing your job. | ||
|
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But it's like this is seems pretty fucking criminal, guys. | |
| It's a horrific. | ||
| It's a lot. | ||
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It's just hard to believe that they wouldn't. | |
| Seventy seven, six people died. | ||
| The video's 20-something kids. | ||
| Driving over the house with a tank and shooting fire into it. | ||
| Like, and then they denied doing that. | ||
| They denied doing that with the tank, shooting fire. | ||
| But you could you could watch it. | ||
| You could watch the fire come out of the tank. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Horrible shit, man. | ||
| I know. | ||
| What a roll. | ||
| So when you get out of that role when you stop playing that guy, man, how long's it take before you you go back to being you? | ||
| Probably I bet you a month, six weeks till you shed it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Go do something that makes you feel you and alive. | ||
| Motorcycle ride. | ||
| Something. | ||
| Get the fuck out. | ||
| Did you like dream of that guy? | ||
| Oh yeah. | ||
| Not anymore. | ||
| But you did? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Yeah. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Your subconscious. | ||
| It's funny because it's like that's you marry yourself emotionally To said circumstance. | ||
| And so my subconscious, and I'm sure a lot of actors will say it's like you're wide open. | ||
| And so you're more vulnerable. | ||
| I'm way more emotional. | ||
| And so you just do the work and you're just your subconscious is open. | ||
| So it might your dreams. | ||
| Once I start dreaming a little fucking crazy visceral stuff, that's when I know I'm getting closer for sure. | ||
|
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Wow. | |
| Yeah. | ||
| Like you're getting haunted. | ||
| A little bit. | ||
| It takes six weeks to detox you. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| And fucking exercise the ghosts. | ||
| And then it's like you play this guy. | ||
| You know what's fucking crazy? | ||
| It was ACL. | ||
| And I was walking and prepping for Waco, and randomly, out of nowhere. | ||
| This guy is talking about Waco and that it never happened. | ||
| Like this is so random. | ||
| And I was with my buddy who's out there. | ||
| And I was like, holy shit. | ||
| What the we gotta do this story now. | ||
| Like there's people out there that believe that it's just one conspiracy theory that never happened. | ||
| That's okay. | ||
| And I was like, what? | ||
| There's people that believe everything though. | ||
| I know. | ||
| If you can figure out the conspiracy, there's a whole group of people on Reddit dedicated to it. | ||
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Yeah, yeah. | |
| You're late to the bardy. | ||
| Any conspiracy. | ||
| Just fill in the blank. | ||
| There's there's a bunch of people that think space is fake. | ||
| It's a whole online community of people that don't believe in space. | ||
|
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Yeah. | |
| Yeah. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| There's people that believe a lot. | ||
|
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Big. | |
| Yeah. | ||
|
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Just just to say that alone just feels like. | |
| Sorry. | ||
| Yeah, it's the people that like flat Earth is not crazy enough. | ||
| They want to take it to the next level. | ||
| The next level is space doesn't even exist. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| You know. | ||
| That's all you know when you get older and people will just straight up like when they talk at you, telling you false shit. | ||
| Right. | ||
| You're like, okay. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Usually I'll bite and be like, you're an idiot. | ||
| This is what is actually happening. | ||
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But no, now it's like, all right. | |
| Sometimes get it out. | ||
| Exhausting, though. | ||
|
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You just shut up. | |
| That's so fake. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But they like double down, triple down on it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Um, I just had one of those moments. | ||
| I know, man. | ||
| That's a dangerous game. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I don't read shit, which is really help me. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| It really likes very healthy. | ||
| Yeah, it is. | ||
| Like, yeah. | ||
| I don't read any uh reviews. | ||
| Good for you. | ||
| Any of that. | ||
| I learned the hard way, man. | ||
| I got hammered on John Carter. | ||
| Um that put me in a dark spot. | ||
| Um, but yeah, had to rebuild everything. | ||
| Um yeah, that uh you're down that tunnel, and you're just like they're not just like he's a bad actor, it's like this guy should die. | ||
| Yeah, you're a terrible person. | ||
| Yeah, it's nuts. | ||
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Personal ideas. | |
| Yeah, like whoa. | ||
| Damn. | ||
| Fuck. | ||
| I know you're just trying to write a saucy article, but holy shit. | ||
| It's a lot of fucking sauce. | ||
| A lot of vitriol there. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, it's weird, man. | ||
| People that but that's you know, they like doing that to people they don't know. | ||
| It's it's zero accountability, it's so easy. | ||
| And now, because of social media, anybody can do it. | ||
| Yeah, I was just saying, you never used to hear people's opinions before. | ||
| You if they you had a movie in 1979, the general public either went to see it or did not. | ||
| Yeah, and it was like a word of mouth thing, and then there was like Siskel and Ebert, and whoever else is reviewing stuff. | ||
| That was it. | ||
| And if the New York Times said it was good, you'd go see it. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| But now it's like fucking everybody. | ||
| Negative always beats. | ||
| Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| You get more clicks on a negative hit, and then you know, that was the beauty of like Friday Night Lights. | ||
| Like, I never there weren't reviews really, and I was just we didn't have social fucking media. | ||
| We're s in Austin, no real producers on set or writers. | ||
| We're kind of Pete set it up so great, and you're just going there slinging, trying shit, failing, trying again. | ||
| It was such an amazing experience. | ||
| Without all the extra without any of the weight of like, is this gonna be successful? | ||
| Like what does that even mean now? | ||
| You know, yeah, they well, do they still do focus groups when they do a film? | ||
| Yes, they still do, yeah. | ||
| So that's kind of like a small, yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It is kind of because you're like, well, who are these people? | ||
| Yeah, they might be like morons, yeah. | ||
| Like by the way, I like Oklahoma. | ||
| But there's like certain spots where you know, like you if you wanted to tank a movie, you'd do a focus group and you know, some moron community where everybody's on fentanyl. | ||
|
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Yeah, Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| You guys watch this movie. | ||
| Tell me. | ||
|
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I slept through half, but I don't like that guy's hat. | |
| It's did they get paid? | ||
| Is that like a job? | ||
|
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No. | |
| That's a good question. | ||
| I bet they do. | ||
| I bet they do, which is then you have to factor in okay, what kind of a person is getting paid to do uh focus groups. | ||
| They might they might be a failure. | ||
| They might be a really dull-witted, dull-minded person, and they get to decide the direction of this movie. | ||
| And like I don't like the ending. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| Reshoots. | ||
| Oh, 20 million dollar reshoots. | ||
| Forty percent of the audience said they didn't like the ending. | ||
| Forty percent of the audience wouldn't pass a piss test. | ||
|
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Yeah, true. | |
| Even like John Carter was like one of the highest tested movies in Disney's history. | ||
| And we got hammered, obviously. | ||
| But it's like I don't know how much that moves the needle or anything. | ||
| I think people distrust the media more than they trust the media now. | ||
| But if something sucks, like if a critic says it sucks, it still works. | ||
|
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Yeah. | |
| Like if I see a one-star review, I'm like, oh, that movie supposedly sucks. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Like, I don't give it any other thought. | ||
| It still does work. | ||
| But if something's really good, people go, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. | ||
| Fuck the critics. | ||
| Fuck. | ||
| This movie rules. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Like, look at Adam Sandler's movies. | ||
| The critics always hate them. | ||
| The audience is always loves them. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Always. | ||
| It's the most lost. | ||
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I know. | |
| It's crazy. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| His movies are. | ||
| He's such a sweet guy. | ||
| He's the best. | ||
| He's the nicest guy of all time. | ||
| And he's a great regular actor, too. | ||
| Uncut gems was bananas. | ||
| That movie has so much anxiety. | ||
| I was like, don't do it. | ||
| He played that guy, that gambling addict so well. | ||
| So believable. | ||
| Great directors, too. | ||
| Yeah, it's just great guy, smart move. | ||
| But but his comedies, I love his comedies. | ||
| They're fun. | ||
| And I love that I can watch it with my kids. | ||
| Like he's got they're funny. | ||
| Like Jack and Jill is funny. | ||
| It's fucking silly and ridiculous. | ||
| And Al Pacino's in love with his sister who is him. | ||
| It's funny, man. | ||
| It's a funny movie. | ||
| It's so stupid and silly. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But that's but the critics hate those movies. | ||
| They hate them. | ||
| Like, okay, what are you going to see? | ||
| It's an Adam Sandler movie. | ||
| This is really good at making this kind of movie. | ||
| And there if you want to go see a fun, lighthearted, silly movie. | ||
| Which we need a little more with a lot of heart to it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| His movies are the ones to go to. | ||
|
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Yeah. | |
| But the critics hate them. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| They don't it doesn't matter. | ||
| If people love it, that's what matters. | ||
|
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Yeah. | |
| I mean Terminalist season one. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| We got hammered. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| And the people spoke, man. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, it didn't matter. | ||
| That's why I'm here. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Like, that's why Dark Wolf is dark. | ||
| We're doing it. | ||
| You know? | ||
| It's because people wanted to see why Ben is fucking the way he is and made that decision. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| If it didn't, there's no way we would have got that green lit. | ||
| There's no way. | ||
| Well, because it's written by Jack. | ||
| So Jack Carr, who's a good friend of mine, who's an awesome human being, and also a SEAL, and writes and and had the goal. | ||
| This is how crazy Jack is. | ||
| Had the goal of first becoming a SEAL, getting military experiencing, and then becoming a great writer. | ||
| Like he had it in his head. | ||
| Did he really? | ||
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Yes. | |
| He always wanted to be a SEAL. | ||
| He always wanted to serve. | ||
| So he wanted to do those things, get real life experience. | ||
| I mean, that guy has a love of history. | ||
| Incredible. | ||
| Unbelievable. | ||
| Incredible love of the world. | ||
| He's so brilliant, and his recall is phenomenal. | ||
| So but but imagine that kind of decision making. | ||
| I'm going to be a SEAL. | ||
| I'm going to go get deployed. | ||
| I'm going to get military combat experience. | ||
| And then I'm going to go write books. | ||
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Damn. | |
| This is that was his like best sellers. | ||
| Seven or eight. | ||
| And right out of the box, Terminalist book is fucking incredible. | ||
| It's incredible. | ||
|
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Yeah. | |
| But the guy prepared for it his whole life. | ||
| Like he's a voracious reader. | ||
| Voracious reader. | ||
| Reads constantly, can recommend books constantly. | ||
| He's always great about that. | ||
| And his so his first book out of the gate, it's like he'd been paring for it his whole life. | ||
| I mean, when he comes on to set, and we're shooting this episode five, he came to Budapest, and his energy, like he's like a kid in a candy store, man. | ||
| It's like I'm fucking gassed out, tired, and like just getting beat up, and here comes Carr, and it's just the light. | ||
| He just brings an energy to that set that is just like, man, we're so lucky to be here. | ||
| And you're like, you know what? | ||
| You're kind of fucking right. | ||
| We are. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And I just love that guy, man. | ||
| Super supportive. | ||
| Right when I got the role. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He's like, not pressing me. | ||
| He's like, I know you've played a SEAL before. | ||
| If you want any of my notes who Ben is, and he's like, if you want that long leash, here it is. | ||
| Like, I trust you. | ||
| Like he's been nothing but amazing with me so far. | ||
| So he's a brilliant guy. | ||
| He really is. | ||
| Yeah, it really is. | ||
| Super caring. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Well, just a great man. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Like a truly great man. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's it's so cool when a guy like that gets to write stories that r sh really reflect the true lives that he led, and then he knows a lot of his friends lead, and it's real. | ||
| It's like he has a an understanding of it that obviously the success of his books and the success of the series, that understanding just translates in a way like, oh, this is very authentic. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Even like little notes, man, I would get with the gun work and all that kind of shit, and obviously you listen, but it's just like he's he comes at you of just more excitement. | ||
| Mm-hmm. | ||
| And you don't take it personal, you can't, and you want to get it fucking right. | ||
| When you have him and Jared Shaw, who's another SEAL and Mendoza, who's a SEAL, and we got a uh what uh uh Army Ranger who writes a lot of it, like we're surrounded by these guys every day. | ||
| So if they want if anything is not authentic, you're I mean the bullshit meter is like fucking two feet away, right? | ||
| You know, right and I love that though, because they're doing a lot of my work for me, helping me, making me look like fucking Ben. | ||
| Right, right, you know, it's a complicated character, too. | ||
| Yeah, a lot of that stuff, like one of my best buddies is seal and had like 200 guys under him, fought in Ramadi and bomb specialist guy, wicked dude, and um there's a moment in the CIA room and in episode one that was written, | ||
| and then I kind of I've been hearing this from him for so long, and so it's kind of ingrained in me of just like how there's always someone to answer to, and you're never really getting the full transparent part of what they're putting you out for. | ||
| So I'd heard all these stories for like the last since loan, I met him on loan, and um, and so that scene, I was like, This is for you, man. | ||
| I'm just gonna fucking go and have at it with this CIA guy, and uh he was at the premiere and watched it and loved that beat, but it's like I get to serve you know some of these guys that they they don't get to have those moments, right? | ||
| Right, you know, and that's so fun for me to just fucking go and light them up in that room. | ||
| One of my favorite scenes cathartic, yeah, yeah. | ||
| So I steal from these guys, even like, and I get it. | ||
| I got hammered or Ben got hammered for being the twist of uh season one, right? | ||
| I'm the guy who kind of orchestrated a lot of it, and um, and I was talking to Marcus because I'm like, How the fuck am I gonna root this guy? | ||
| The seal that's like best friends with Reese, and now all of a sudden the twist is like man, I I had a hand in this. | ||
| I I'm the guy that it put you guys down that tunnel on that op and your whole fucking platoon died, uh, for the most part, and um I just literally it was like a little moment that I had with Luttrell where he was talking about going back and dying with his boots on, and I was like, really settle into what that means. | ||
| This warrior is just decidedly going to die over there serving. | ||
| It's beautifully tragic, and I was like, that is where I hung my hat with Ben of like how I can root this crazy twist of like I'm making this decision for you, but you're gonna go die with your boots on instead of this fucking you're gonna die rotting in this hospital bed, no insurance, your family, all this kind of shit. | ||
| I'm like, I'm gonna take that decision for you. | ||
| So that's where I rooted Ben for season one. | ||
| Wow, yeah. | ||
| And then I go and open uh the Mike Murphy museum uh with Dan and Marcus and a lot of other seals, obviously. | ||
| And uh a lot of the seals were like, I fucking get it. | ||
| You know, but a lot of people just were like, How could you? | ||
| And I get that part too. | ||
| But it was just like both things are true. | ||
| Yeah, truly. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Both things are true. | ||
| How could you and I get a human being? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And you know, that's that's one of the reasons why the show is so interesting. | ||
| Because people are fucking super complex. | ||
| And how fucking gray it all is. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| And how it goes back to like you're in mourning of a buddy, uh, you you broke this promise, his family's dead, and now I'm on an op and I get in front of the guy that killed this guy's family. | ||
| I'm gonna fucking put him down. | ||
| Fuck this. | ||
| I'll take you the beauty of Ben too in this is he's accountable for it. | ||
| Like I'll take it. | ||
| Take my trident then. | ||
| I do it all over again, which is a beautiful thing. | ||
| And I think he does. | ||
| Like it's it's a very it's an emotional reaction that you know frays his life and uh the other character uh uh race character, he gets his trident taken. | ||
| But it's that's one thing we were talking about earlier of just like it's so fucking gray, and in these really split decision moments that you have these guys aren't fucking robots out there, it's like they're emotional, they're fucking trained like better than anybody, but at times they have to make these decisions that is like okay, you're gonna fucking put those girls on a black market or sell them or put them in the sex trade, you don't get to live anymore. | ||
| I'm gonna do that. | ||
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But that's a beautiful thing too. | |
| Yeah, and people can relate to it. | ||
| Because if you were in that scenario, what would you do? | ||
| And most people would like to believe that would say you're not gonna live anymore. | ||
| Yes, yeah, exactly. | ||
| We have these talks on set all the time. | ||
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You're on American primeval. | |
| We can romanticize the 1850s, or at least I did at the beginning of like this guy's a fucking mountain man. | ||
| This is sick, like he's a motherfucker. | ||
| Like, if I if you see me on the river in eight eighteen fifty-two, and you're like, I want your jacket. | ||
| You're gonna just come up and kill me and take my jacket. | ||
| Yeah, like that's how fucked up the eighteen hundreds were back then. | ||
| Lawless, lawless. | ||
| And so we started shooting, and uh I was like, we're shooting at 10,000 feet up there, and you're cold, and we're still spoiled, obviously. | ||
| Your trailer's 50 feet away, but it's like fuck this. | ||
| I'm like, there is nothing in me that would want to be in the 1850s. | ||
| Nothing, nothing. | ||
| No, I can't believe people made it through. | ||
| I can't either. | ||
| It's hard. | ||
| I can't either. | ||
| And those people were living in the lap of luxury. | ||
| Can people compare to people who lived 4,000 years before? | ||
| Oh my god, yeah. | ||
|
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200 years earlier. | |
| Yeah. | ||
| It's nuts. | ||
| I mean, it's like what we were talking about earlier. | ||
| Civilization is super recent. | ||
| I mean, it's not, obviously, there's ancient Egypt and all that stuff, but I mean what we're dealing with right now is super recent. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Relative safety, relative security, yeah, relative, you know. | ||
| I mean, do you do you when you go hunt your Utah, backcountry, wherever you're going, you're gonna be in the shit. | ||
| It's gonna be beautiful and quiet, and like I live for that. | ||
| Yeah, well, that's really why Montana's a great place to hunt too. | ||
| Yeah, and Montana is a truly wild place. | ||
|
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Yes. | |
| I mean, yeah, outside of Bozeman. | ||
|
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Right. | |
| Yeah. | ||
| Thirty 30 minutes outside. | ||
| Yeah, 30 minutes outside. | ||
| You've got like a truly beautiful, incredible, unjust. | ||
| If you've never experienced the mountains, like the true mountains, especially when there's some snow on the ground and the the winds whistling around. | ||
| It's like it's majestic. | ||
| It's like the most extraordinary work of art that nature created. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| There's something about like mountains. | ||
| It like awe-inspiring. | ||
| It's like, wow. | ||
| Makes perspective sinks into you. | ||
| You're in the moment. | ||
| And it's weird that very few people live near him. | ||
| I know, right? | ||
| You get there, When you get there, you're like, oh my God, I want to see this every day. | ||
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It's like then you're on a flight to New York and two days. | |
| I lived outside of Boulder for a while. | ||
| Oh, beautiful. | ||
| And uh it was like that every day. | ||
| It's like you're just driving it through these mountains. | ||
| Like, this is incredible. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Like this view that you have is like a vitamin. | ||
| It really is. | ||
| Your soul. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Look at this place. | ||
| And it's it's not a coincidence that people in mountain communities are chilled out. | ||
| Yeah, you're right. | ||
| It's not a coincidence. | ||
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No. | |
| They're surrounded by this overwhelming majesty of nature. | ||
| And it's humbling. | ||
| Yeah, it is. | ||
| It makes you a little chiller. | ||
| Totally. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And I think for me too, it's so good for the brain for all those reasons, but also it's just like if I'm sitting around feeling sorry for myself or whatever it is, bored. | ||
| It's like it's your fucking fault if you're bored out there. | ||
| Right. | ||
| There's a thousand hikes. | ||
| Go get into wildlife. | ||
| Go to the national park, go for a fucking walk. | ||
| Anything. | ||
| Fix your perspective. | ||
| Truly. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And it does. | ||
| It does. | ||
| It does. | ||
| After uh intense roll or whatever it is, once I land in Bozeman, man, I get on the bike or whatever, go fly fish. | ||
| It's like it's it's a beautiful thing. | ||
| And there's less people there. | ||
|
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So it's like you don't feel the buzz. | |
| Yeah. | ||
| Relax. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I just bought a $35 fucking protein shake before I came here. | ||
| In Austin? | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
|
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I was like I look up. | |
| Yeah, it's like I don't know, probably like koala DNA that's gonna give me hard for the next seven days or something. | ||
| Grass fed tallow. | ||
|
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Yeah. | |
| Yeah. | ||
| Where did you say how's it? | ||
| How do they charge 35 bucks for a smoothie? | ||
| That seems a lot of people. | ||
| I keep adding shit. | ||
| I was adding proteins, yeah. | ||
| Creatine. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
|
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Yeah. | |
| But I was like, what's happening? | ||
| Yeah, it's not Montana. | ||
| But even Austin, like compared to where I lived before, I lived in LA and living here is like there's only two million people. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's so much more. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Like what they think is traffic is adorable. | ||
|
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Yeah. | |
| It's true. | ||
| LA's insane. | ||
| It's just a terrible way to live. | ||
|
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It really is. | |
| Yeah. | ||
| It's a terrible way to live. | ||
|
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Yeah. | |
| And I think I get how people used to want to live there because it was the center of you know the TV business and the comedy business, but it's it's not worth it, kids. | ||
| No, no. | ||
| It's not good for soul. | ||
| Nothing's being filmed there anymore. | ||
| It's rare. | ||
| It's just weird, right? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
|
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It is. | |
| How did that happen? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| How did they fuck that up? | ||
|
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I know. | |
| How did you fuck up the one spot where everybody wanted to move to to be an actor? | ||
| You fucked up that spot? | ||
|
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Yeah. | |
| And they have everything. | ||
| Mountains, beaches, fucking. | ||
| You can get to the mountains to the shore in two hours. | ||
|
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Yeah. | |
| You're you're up in Big Bear. | ||
|
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Yeah. | |
| You're down to Santa Monica. | ||
|
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Two hours. | |
| Yeah. | ||
| It's nuts. | ||
| Studios, everything's there. | ||
|
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Yeah. | |
| Yeah. | ||
| And they fucked it up. | ||
|
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Yep. | |
| Brutal. | ||
| What the fuck is happening? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I'd blame politics, but I think there's a lot of other stuff going on too. | ||
| I just think the people running it. | ||
| It take probably takes exceptional people to have real vision and learn how to keep stuff together. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I don't know either. | ||
| Not a big fan of LA. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
|
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I lived here for 17 years. | |
| Did you love it here? | ||
| I did. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I love the lake life. | ||
| It's nice. | ||
| It's fucking amazing. | ||
| It's a chilled city too. | ||
| It's like genuinely good people here. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| There are normal people. | ||
|
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Yeah. | |
| You know? | ||
| In LA, everybody is like a failed actor, wanting to be an actor, trying to get on a reality show. | ||
| Looking to be a TikTok influencer. | ||
| So everybody's got something. | ||
| And they want something from you. | ||
| Always. | ||
|
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Always. | |
| Yeah. | ||
| And every connection they make is like a networking thing. | ||
| Every new friend becomes someone is an asset. | ||
|
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An asset. | |
| Yeah, because it's like very transactional. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Gross. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's gross. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Well, listen, brother, you're a very interesting guy, and uh you got some awesome stories, and you're a really great actor. | ||
| And so I've been a fan for a long time. | ||
| Likewise. | ||
| So this was really fun. | ||
| Thank you. | ||
| Thanks for having me. | ||
| My pleasure, brother. | ||
| Um, tell everybody one more time, Terminalist, Dark Wolf. | ||
| It's available now on Amazon. | ||
| On Amazon. | ||
| Which is great. | ||
| And uh, I know the terminalist killed it for Amazon. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| We're number one right now. | ||
| That's amazing. | ||
| Yeah, thanks. | ||
| That's awesome. | ||
| It's a great show. | ||
| It's a great show. | ||
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All right. | |
| My pleasure. |
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