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Joe Rogan Experience #2382 - Andrew Santino
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andrew santino
Joe Rogan podcast, check it out!
unidentified
The Joe Rogan experience.
Train by day, Joe Rogan, podcast by night, all day.
joe rogan
Lizantino, my man.
andrew santino
Mr. Rogan, it's been a long time.
I'm back.
unidentified
When was the last time you were here?
andrew santino
It's got to be over a year.
joe rogan
Is that real?
unidentified
Two years.
andrew santino
Two years?
joe rogan
Jeez, bro.
unidentified
Yeah.
andrew santino
It's got to be.
joe rogan
Time waits for no one.
andrew santino
I know, man.
You left me high and dry in Los Angeles, and two years later, I come back down.
joe rogan
I had to go, big dog.
I got to go how to go.
You're going to go eventually.
You can't hang in there.
Eventually, it'll just get to be Mad Max, and you'll just go, I can't.
unidentified
I can't.
I can't.
joe rogan
When Newsom becomes president and Kamal Harris becomes governor, and then it's like full communist.
andrew santino
You don't think he's going to become president?
You do?
He could win.
No.
unidentified
Yep.
joe rogan
He could win.
Yeah.
andrew santino
No, because I think he's one of those guys that.
joe rogan
She almost won.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
He's better than her.
andrew santino
You think people would like him more?
unidentified
Really?
joe rogan
No, he's better at her and talking.
He's better at talking.
The whole thing is not like who's a better government.
Look, the guy who was the fucking host of The Apprentice is the president of the United States for the second time.
Like, this doesn't.
And nothing makes any sense.
andrew santino
No.
joe rogan
So it's like the system is like, it's a goofy system.
It's a popularity contest to see who controls the nukes.
It makes no sense.
andrew santino
Who controls the nukes?
I just feel like lefties and righties don't like him.
joe rogan
You're right.
andrew santino
Both people don't like him.
joe rogan
But there's no choices other than him on the left, and the people on the left are only going to vote on the left.
And that's it.
Unless some mamdani guy comes out of left field.
andrew santino
Is that the New York guy?
joe rogan
Yeah, yeah.
andrew santino
That's so funny.
joe rogan
He's going to win.
Easy to win.
andrew santino
The Mamdani guy.
What was his policy?
What did he run on?
joe rogan
Oh, he runed everything.
Rent control, stabilize rent.
He's going to tax the rich people way more than before.
Businesses are going to run out of that place like it's on fire.
Yeah.
It's interesting.
unidentified
Very music.
joe rogan
You know, look, the thing is, maybe what he wants to do is going to coincide with AI and automation, which is going to be, you're going to have to have someone who has at least some sort of, not like pure socialism, but at the very least, universal basic income, like the ideas that they want to implement.
Because if you don't, you're going to have chaos.
You're going to have all jobs are going to essentially most jobs are on the chopping block.
Right now, if you think about it, the amount of jobs that a robot with AI can't do are so little.
They're so little.
Like they're making great songs now.
Have you heard the 50 Cent song, the Many Men song?
andrew santino
I've heard the band.
There's a band that's that's got like 4 million streams a month on Spotify, and it's all AI.
joe rogan
Oh, there's a bunch of those.
There's social bunch of those.
They made this girl who was an AI, like a fucking, what would you call that kind of music?
You know that gal that they made that was, we played a little bit of it on the podcast.
She's like kind of emo.
I'm not remembering.
Anyway, they made her in about a minute, and then they made the song in about another minute, and it was great.
I was listening to it.
I was like, this is a good fucking song.
andrew santino
It sucks.
It sucks that I like it.
I'll listen to it and be like, dude, this is really good.
joe rogan
You haven't heard the Many Men version, the AI version of Many Men?
andrew santino
No.
joe rogan
Okay.
AI did a cover of 50 Cents, Many Men.
andrew santino
I love that song.
joe rogan
Wait till you hear the AI version.
andrew santino
Oh, no.
joe rogan
The AI version, they did it with some kind of like 1950s, 1960s, like soul rendition of it.
Like a soulful blues kind of rendition, jazz sort of.
unidentified
Bro.
andrew santino
And it's still 50, though.
It's his voice.
unidentified
No, no.
joe rogan
No, no.
It's a completely fake human being.
andrew santino
Oh, this is crippling.
It's so good.
jamie vernon
I hate it.
I've piled that one.
Did you check out any of the ones I sent you?
Because I made like the 1980s Glam Rock one.
That sounds pretty fucking good.
andrew santino
You made a Glamrock.
jamie vernon
I know how they're doing it.
I can use the same program.
So I started fucking around with the two.
joe rogan
Yeah, you can do it in literally five minutes.
andrew santino
I'm still behind.
I'm behind.
I haven't done the I haven't used ChatGPT once.
I haven't used it yet.
unidentified
Good for you.
andrew santino
I'm still a little scared.
Well, it's getting implemented whether I like it or not.
joe rogan
Yeah, I mean, if you ask your iPhone a question and it says, if it can't figure it out, because your iPhone is basically like a 12-year-old, it's like, it's like if you just ask the iPhone, it doesn't have a lot of access to information.
It'll say, I'm not sure about that.
Would you like to go to ChatGPT for the answers?
Why don't you go to ChatGPT?
But it has to ask you before it does that, I guess.
andrew santino
I haven't signed up.
I'm still...
Look, and I know the technology is going to get even stronger.
Your guy last night, John, what's the photographer's name?
The older guy?
joe rogan
Joe?
andrew santino
Joe.
joe rogan
Yeah.
andrew santino
Joe.
He had in the new AirPods, and I was like, oh, Joe, keeping up with the times.
That's pretty great.
He's like, they're hearing aids now.
And I was like, oh, yeah, they did.
Seriously?
He's like, yeah.
joe rogan
Well, they have these things called, they've had them forever called Walker's game ears.
And you can wear them in the woods and you hear like footsteps like hundreds of yards away.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's crazy.
And the crazy thing is when a gun goes off, they protect you.
So it protects you from loud sounds, but it amplifies regular sounds.
andrew santino
Well, like something has a frequency that pitches up so exactly.
Wow.
joe rogan
So it protects you.
At a certain point in time, it becomes noise cancellation or a certain level of decibels.
It becomes noise cancellation.
Play him a little bit of that.
andrew santino
Hit me.
joe rogan
You got to hear some of this, bro.
They made a video, too.
unidentified
I'm trying to be what I'm destined to be.
joe rogan
Look at this.
unidentified
And niggas trying to take my life away.
andrew santino
Oh, my God.
unidentified
Woo!
I put a hole in a nigga for fucking with me.
joe rogan
How good is this?
So good.
It gets better.
unidentified
Listen to this.
My back on the wall.
Now you go see.
joe rogan
This is my favorite part right here.
unidentified
Better watch how you talk when you talk about me.
Cause I'll come and take your life away.
joe rogan
That's not a person.
That's not a person.
andrew santino
It gives me chills, man.
like it's uncomfortable in my chest.
unidentified
That's my favorite right there.
Wish they'll hold me.
andrew santino
See, that guy's so good.
I know, but I hate it that I like it because it's bad.
This is bad.
Is this not?
joe rogan
No, it's not bad.
It is.
It is.
No, no, no.
It is.
It just is.
It is not bad.
It's not good.
It just is.
And if that was a guy, he would be a fucking superstar.
Superstar.
Out of the gate.
If that was like some young cat who just came out of nowhere and this, or better yet, some dude who's been doing the road for like fucking 20 years and now he's 42 and this is his debut album.
And he's just been fucking grinding it out at these weird bars and shit.
And then he comes out with that song.
He'd be like, oh my God, where is he?
I got to see him in real life.
andrew santino
Where have you been?
joe rogan
Where have you been, sir?
andrew santino
He kind of has that Aloe Black hat.
Do you know Aloe Black?
He kind of has a little bit of that tone, a little bit of that, but it's so funny to hear that.
joe rogan
Charles Bradley life.
andrew santino
Yeah, Bradley, a little bit of that.
joe rogan
Yeah, a little Charles Bradley.
Well, I mean, they get the best out of every fucking vocal ever, and they combine it and make a perfect person.
andrew santino
But that's the infringement on art is what's scary because you're like, well, at some point, are people going to not want human art?
Are they just going to, just give me that?
Like, are people going to go, I want to watch a movie with Sharon Stone from 96?
joe rogan
They've already done that.
andrew santino
And you can just, but I mean, at home, just make your own movie at home.
joe rogan
No, that's not, they're doing that.
andrew santino
No, I know they're doing it.
I'm saying, how quickly is that going to be?
joe rogan
Luke Skywalker.
They're doing new Luke Skywalker movies with young Luke Skywalker, like new scenes in Star Wars that never happened, but HD.
andrew santino
I don't like it.
Yeah, it trips me out, man.
I don't know.
It just makes me feel like we're getting further and further away from original creation, but it will open a new hole of art, which will be how good can your new art AI be?
I just, I'm against it right now.
joe rogan
Listen, you're dead right.
No argument.
andrew santino
Yeah.
joe rogan
Doesn't matter.
andrew santino
I know it's happening.
Whether you like it or not.
joe rogan
It's not just happening.
It's happening at a pace that is unstoppable.
This conversation we would not have had two years ago.
andrew santino
No.
joe rogan
Two years ago, no one was even thinking like AI is going to take over art.
No way.
andrew santino
No.
joe rogan
But now it's over because they basically, look, everything has been said.
Everything has been told.
Every song has been sung.
Smash them all together, make a new version of it.
All you need is a prompt.
All you need is a prompt.
And you got a new Bob Dylan who makes the old Bob Dylan look boring.
You got some renegade Bob Dylan, some wild dudes out there doing yoga in the woods.
You know what I mean?
It's like you can't stop.
andrew santino
Bob Dylan doing Downward Dog in the pine.
joe rogan
A perfect person.
You know, you can't stop it.
andrew santino
No, it's happening.
I get it.
joe rogan
But this, what I was saying about New York and this Mom Donnie guy, like you're going to have to have some way to feed people.
You're going to have to, like, people are not going to have jobs anymore.
They're going to go away.
We're inefficient and we are lazy and we are entitled and we like to think we're doing a far more important thing than we really are.
And everybody does that.
Everybody's like, without me, this office would fall apart.
andrew santino
All right, Linda.
joe rogan
Everybody does that.
andrew santino
I do all the paperwork that you won't do.
Yeah, that will, yeah.
joe rogan
I never get any credit.
andrew santino
Right.
joe rogan
Tell you what, this guy, this piece of shit, I should be the boss.
That is, you know.
andrew santino
I mean, it is going to take away so many jobs, but will it create more, will it create more jobs on the other side of it somehow?
That's the, right?
Isn't that the goal?
If you're going to ruin a lot of these jobs and take them, is something else going to create another job on the other side?
Fixing some of the problems?
joe rogan
I think you're thinking it the wrong way.
You're thinking that jobs are essential.
They're not.
andrew santino
I mean, some are, right?
joe rogan
No, no, no, no.
This thing.
andrew santino
No, this is fucking me up, dude.
This is freaking me out.
I shouldn't have taken this gummy this morning.
joe rogan
Oh, you should have.
You should have taken two and brought me one.
No, I'm freaking out, man.
This thing is the new dominant life force on Earth, and it's emerging from its cocoon right now in real time.
That's what it is.
It's just giving you little snippets like songs and movies and art and answering your questions.
And it's doing all these things.
But this is just coming out of the cocoon.
It's just going like this right now.
It's not out and growing.
It's coming.
And it doesn't matter.
Like, don't we need, are jobs essential?
Well, what does that mean?
What does that mean?
It doesn't, you're talking like a, I'm a flint napper.
I've been making arrowheads for 35 years.
You're telling me that flint napping is going out of style.
I don't buy it.
Yeah, one day you're not going to need an arrow because someone's going to have a gun.
Okay.
One day you're not going to need a flint map because people are going to invent alloys like titanium and steel.
And they're going to use that instead of fucking flint.
And this is just how the world works.
This is how technology works.
This is how innovation works.
As long as the Earth stays in a relatively stable environment, we don't nuke each other or get hit by a giant rock from space.
This is what happens.
andrew santino
I say speed that rock up.
Let's go, dude.
unidentified
No.
Suck it in, dude.
Let's rock.
joe rogan
It's fun.
unidentified
Let's get out of here.
It's exciting.
andrew santino
No, it is great.
It's exciting.
No, I just think it's, I think the fear for me is I just hope the younger generation still likes, I think live art, the shit that we do.
I hope that still stays.
joe rogan
Oh, it's always going to stay.
I love live art.
I love live comedy.
I love live music.
I love it.
I love going to see things live.
It's exciting.
It's always going to be something because it resonates with you on like a deeper level than seeing something on television or watching on a screen.
There's a connection that you have with a human being in a room that's singing a song that you can't get anywhere else.
andrew santino
No.
I saw your boy, I saw Killer Mike at Blue Note a couple nights ago.
joe rogan
Oh, nice.
andrew santino
And he had like gospel singers with him, and it was unbelievable.
It was so, you know, it was like alternative to what he usually does, but he played some songs on the Michael album.
And it was just those things to me will never get old.
Maybe because I love that.
joe rogan
Yeah, well, no, this is a good thing.
andrew santino
And I hope that doesn't deteriorate with time.
joe rogan
That might be the only thing that people do.
andrew santino
Just go see shit.
It's all robots and live shows.
joe rogan
I mean, you know, you're going to say, like, look, I painted this myself.
It took me 60 hours.
That's cool.
I made a better one in three seconds.
andrew santino
It's insane.
joe rogan
I just pressed a button.
andrew santino
I thought it.
No, I didn't even press.
I just thought it and it happened.
It printed out at my home.
joe rogan
Right.
Like, I had it coming too.
andrew santino
I had the idea, and when the printer was like, is this what you want?
unidentified
Yeah.
andrew santino
What color would you like?
joe rogan
It's not going to matter whether or not you like it or not.
It's not going to matter because it's coming.
andrew santino
Well, that's true.
What you said is pretty profound and also heavy when you just said, it is.
It just is.
joe rogan
It's just, it is.
It is.
And there's a lot of people that are in denial right now and they're very silly.
And there's a lot of people that are that the term meaning means a lot to them.
And I understand that.
I've had these conversations like, man, search for meaning, what meaning means.
The problem with that term is space is real.
Okay.
The problem with that term is your search for meaning.
When you're lying on your back and you look up and you see hundreds of billions of fucking stars, you go, oh, I don't really, it doesn't really mean anything if I lose my job.
unidentified
Nope.
joe rogan
It means nothing.
andrew santino
Nothing.
joe rogan
It's like, you got to figure it out.
Like all the industries that you think of, like transportation, most white-collar jobs, lawyers, any coding job, gone.
They're going away.
They're going away.
And here's a real problem.
You have encryption, okay?
And encryption is very important for Bitcoin, for cryptocurrency, for passwords, for everything.
Once you have quantum computing attached to AI, you no longer have encryption.
It doesn't mean anything.
Okay, so then where is money?
Okay, because money right now is just a bunch of ones and zeros.
And who's to decide who gets what and where it gets stored and how anybody has access to it?
In the beginning, it's only going to be like the government has access to it because they're the only ones with the supercomputers.
But it's going to be just like Michael Douglas from that movie Wall Street where he had that big stupid phone and everybody's like, look at him.
He's a baller.
Everybody has a phone now, man.
Everyone on earth has a goddamn phone.
It's people in the Amazon have phones.
And there's a problem because they gave phones to these kids and they all started whacking off.
andrew santino
Not here in Texas, dude.
Can't whack off on your phone here.
I saw that.
You blocked points.
joe rogan
We all have VPNs.
andrew santino
Everybody has a VPN.
You got to go around it.
joe rogan
It's a joke.
unidentified
It's one.
joe rogan
You should have a VPN anyway.
andrew santino
I have one on my phone.
joe rogan
Of course you do.
And then on top of that, you just whack off from New Mexico.
andrew santino
I always said it to Chicago.
Makes me feel back at home.
I'm jerking off in my mom's house.
joe rogan
I'm a teenager.
unidentified
Yeah.
andrew santino
Throw back to the old school.
unidentified
I just hope that it's I don't know.
andrew santino
I hope it's not as fast as we know it's going to be.
joe rogan
Oh, it's going to happen like a tidal wave, dude.
andrew santino
Train just to fucking train.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's going to be like a tsunami.
It's going to come rolling in and we're going to have to adapt.
And that's just what we do.
Look, we didn't used to always live in cities with electricity, travel around in cars, fly around in airplanes.
This is all relatively new.
We adapted to this in new environment that we find ourselves in currently.
And we're going to adapt to another one.
It's going to happen.
It's going to be really fucking weird, man.
It's going to be really weird.
Speaking of adapting, like this, this whole Jimmy Kimmel situation that is happening right now.
andrew santino
Yeah, wild.
joe rogan
Very wild.
Okay.
First of all, the FCC is you have to have a license to broadcast, which is kind of crazy when you think about what that means now.
Because what does it mean?
It used to mean that you used to have a license to broadcast because you were going to influence so many people.
They had to make sure that you were on the up and up, right?
So they had to make sure that you didn't swear.
So if you had a license and you were on CBS or NBC or ABC, you could not swear, right?
That was the rule.
And then on came cable.
And somehow or another, cable is a different thing, right?
unidentified
Because cable, you just have to pay for it, I guess.
What's different?
joe rogan
And so then some of the channels you don't have to pay for.
It used to be the only ones that swore were like HBO where you had to pay for.
And then all of a sudden it became kind of any of them because they realized, like, hey, we don't, like FX, we can swear, guys.
Like, we only don't swear because we want to think of ourselves as TV.
andrew santino
Right.
joe rogan
But HBO was like, you know, with the Sopranos, with HBO comedy specials.
And in the beginning, that was a big one.
You could just swear.
Movies, you didn't have to bleep anything out.
Just wild.
And so these, what you're dealing with, with even like, first of all, I definitely don't think that the government should be involved ever in dictating what a comedian can or cannot say in a monologue.
That's fucking crazy.
andrew santino
That's crazy.
joe rogan
Now, if the comp the problem is the companies, if they're being pressured by the government, so if that's real, and if people on the right are like, yeah, go get them.
Oh my God, you're crazy.
You're crazy for supporting this because this will be used on you.
You don't think that the fucking globalist lizard people who run the world are sitting here going, Great, what do we got?
Three years?
We'll wake this out.
Wake this out.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
Let them say the government should be involved in censoring people's speech.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Let them support that.
Let these fucking dumbasses, because Jimmy Kimmel's a leftist, let these These dumbasses think it's a good idea, and we should celebrate that the that's the most toxic shit I keep seeing online where people are like, Yeah, shut them down.
Now, they're crazy.
andrew santino
This goes into a lot of, just to jump back, what you said, you just brought me back in my mind.
Like, I remember first watching Married with Children, and I remember like, because they were like a racier show for TV.
unidentified
Yeah.
andrew santino
And I remember the shift, and my mom didn't like that.
I liked it.
unidentified
Yeah.
andrew santino
And she was like, what do you like about this show?
I was like, they talk like people we know.
It just kind of sounded like someone you, so what TV started to do, it started to sound like your actual community instead of this very, you know, kind of this veneer of everyone kind of speaks very cleanly and politely.
Married with Children talked how you heard a guy talk, how your dad would talk or your uncle would talk.
joe rogan
Yeah, it was like one notch in a different direction above like Archie Bunker.
andrew santino
Right.
joe rogan
All in the family was like one of the first shows like that where the dad was kind of an asshole and a racer.
andrew santino
He was so funny, man.
joe rogan
And funny.
andrew santino
Yeah, he was so funny.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
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So then you have that, and then it keeps going further and further and further until you have the internet.
And the internet is just buckwild.
And the internet, you can't do anything about.
Look, look, I certainly think that for Jimmy Kimmel, all this does is help him.
It makes his show bigger, much more support.
I'm sure there's a lot of hate as well, which is not fun.
But at the end of the day, if the show comes back, which this is my suspicion, my suspicion is they suspend it for a short amount of time and then they bring it back.
And then there's a lot of lawyers going back and forth in meetings and rooms.
And somehow or another, it gets worked out that he has a show.
He comes back to a standing ovation.
Donald Trump tweets mean shit about him and then the world moves on.
andrew santino
This show still sucks.
joe rogan
It still sucks.
I think that is also fucking insane.
I don't have time to do that.
How do you have time to do that?
How do you have time while you're running the world to be tweeting that you don't like talk show hosts?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
That is so crazy.
andrew santino
And he was going after like Letterman too for some reason.
Like he posted something about.
joe rogan
Because Letterman went off about AM and Letterman said it was a criminal organization.
You can't support in any way, shape, or form the government censoring speech.
andrew santino
No.
joe rogan
Because once they start doing, it's just like, you shouldn't be on ABC anymore.
It's like, don't go on AM radio.
It's not worth it.
Like, why do you want to have an AM radio show?
Like, somebody offered me an AM radio show.
And I'd be like, really?
Is it a good deal?
Yes, it's a good deal.
It's a wonderful contract.
You're going to get health care and all these benefits and this and that, a 401k.
But you can't say this.
You can't say that.
I'd be like, what?
Why would I do that?
Like, this is 2025.
andrew santino
But you used to want it.
You used to love it.
I think that's one.
Well, that's what they press on the old days.
But I think the problem is I was, look, when I was a kid, I was fascinated with Carson and the idea of the tonight show.
He got pressed a lot of why he didn't express his political beliefs.
joe rogan
Right.
andrew santino
And he often, I mean, there's a clip of him that everyone's probably seen where he says, that's not, you know, that's not my job.
And I don't know if he said this or I heard this somewhere else, but someone had said something to the effect of the job is to put America to bed at night, not give them nightmares.
joe rogan
The thing is, though, he existed in a time before social media when people hadn't lost their fucking minds.
And this is the problem is that Hollywood in particular is there in a fever pitch of if we don't get our eyes, our ideas across, if we don't promote our ideas, then the other side wins.
andrew santino
Wins, yeah.
joe rogan
And it's become this sort of self-fulfilling prophecy on both sides.
Like everyone is in this fucking fever of war, of like a culture war.
And a giant percentage of it is being manipulated by these overseas bots.
Like I tweeted this thing.
I retweeted this thing a couple of days ago because I was like, people need to see this every time it comes across my feed.
I'm just going to send it to them.
What you see when you see a bot farm.
So there's bot farms that have essentially an unlimited number of social media profiles and they just go after whatever subject it is, whether it's climate change or an election or even sports.
And all they're trying to do is get people to hate each other.
And this is a bot farm.
And someone wrote, what is this?
See the caption?
It says, what, so this guy, Andrew Fox, wrote this that says, want to know what Dave 12345678910, blah, blah, blah, blah, is who it is you're arguing with online most of the time, who's liking those pro-Hamas posts, and it's that.
And it's a TikTok that he does.
andrew santino
But who's sponsoring?
Who's funding these bot farms?
joe rogan
Many, many countries are doing this.
China's doing this for sure.
Russia's doing this for sure.
But Iran is probably doing this for sure.
Israel's probably doing this for sure.
We're probably doing this well.
We're doing it to them.
We're all doing it to each other.
That's 100% real.
And this is another creepy aspect of AI that was exposed fairly recently.
Some accounts got suspended because they realized that the CCP was using ChatGPT to run these kind of bot farms.
So you have this thing and you could tell it how to behave.
And I want you to pretend that you are an unhinged leftist that wants to kill all white men and then get in there and argue.
unidentified
And then the right-wing people are like, oh my God, these fucking leftists want us dead.
andrew santino
Right.
joe rogan
Strap up.
And then you have like this Charlie Kirk incident and then everybody starts to really believe it now.
Like, yeah, they want us dead.
And then you see the response.
And you go, oh, my God, people are going along with, like, people are losing their morals and their ethics.
And they're cheering that someone got murdered on television because they're all ramped up with this social media bullshit.
And a lot of it is being amplified by people that aren't even real people.
And a lot of it is just getting everybody in this fucking fever pitch of culture war.
And that's why you're seeing these young kids cheering.
Did you see that TMZ clip?
andrew santino
Well, I've seen a bunch of these different clips of people like going off.
joe rogan
Did you see the TMZ thing where they find out that the moment people were in the world?
andrew santino
Oh, you hear people cheering in the middle?
joe rogan
You hear people cheering.
andrew santino
I did see that.
Yeah.
joe rogan
The moment they find out Charlie Kirk is dead.
andrew santino
They're clapping.
joe rogan
Cheering.
andrew santino
He's dead.
And they're clapping.
joe rogan
But this is not just one person.
There was a guy who was at the scene.
At the scene.
I mean, they have.
Look, I just want to say that.
I'm not pro-doxing people.
I'm not pro-any of this, but this is just what's going to happen.
You know, you cheer when a guy gets shot and you can see the guy who got shot.
You're in the general vicinity of this guy.
So a bullet whizzed over your head, shot that guy in the neck, and now you're cheering.
Good luck finding a job.
andrew santino
Yeah.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
And this is the reality that we're living in, right?
So, but why is a person reacting like that?
People wouldn't have reacted like that 20 years ago, man.
It's not a normal thing for a 20-year-old kid to do who's in the audience of some college thing where, you know, change my mind or whatever he says, whatever his slogan is.
But that was what Steven Crowder would say, right?
Change my mind.
andrew santino
Yeah, I don't know what his was.
joe rogan
I think something similar.
But the point is, it's like, this is the weird shit that happens on social media where people behave in this insane and vicious way that you would never experience like this commonly in real life.
And it's more ubiquitous online than anywhere else in most polite social circles.
But all the same people that are in these polite social circles with you are, they're feeling vindicated and saying the most evil shit.
Fuck Charlie Kirk.
Rest in piss.
I saw this lady who was a NASDAQ lady.
She worked at NASDAQ and she was at a conference.
And she's like, we're pausing the conference to say, fuck Charlie Kirk.
Like this well-dressed lady with a very high-profile job.
And then it said, rest in piss.
Like, oh my God.
Like, what is that?
Well, that's social media infecting your mind and getting you to do things and say things in a way that no one would have done 20, 30 years ago.
No one.
andrew santino
No way.
joe rogan
No way.
And so this is like all boiling up with this Charlie, this Charlie Kirk thing and this Jimmy Kimmel thing.
The two, like the Jimmy Kimmel thing is, unfortunately, I think what he was trying to do was just set up a joke.
He was trying to knock on the MAGA people, but also set up a joke, which was good.
It was very funny.
Like we showed the president's response to Charlie Kirk.
andrew santino
The new ballroom they're building?
joe rogan
And he said, like, the fourth stage of the fourth stage of grief is destruction.
andrew santino
It's a fantastic joke.
joe rogan
He also said that's not how a grown adult reacts to the death of his friend.
It's like a four-year-old mourns the loss of a goldfish.
andrew santino
Yeah.
joe rogan
Very funny.
andrew santino
It's a great joke.
He was trying to set it up.
Yeah.
joe rogan
But he set it up in a way that, like, okay, you're saying something that's actually factually inaccurate according to the narrative.
Now, let's be real clear.
I don't necessarily think they know what's going on yet.
There's a lot of weird shit going on with this.
andrew santino
I know.
joe rogan
First of all, there was that one guy who is the decoy.
All right.
So you got this guy who's an older guy who starts yelling out.
Didn't he take his pants down?
He took his pants down.
This guy was at 9-11.
He was at the Boston bombing.
He called in a fake bomb at another place.
And then he did this at this thing.
Right after.
So somehow or another, this guy has the state of mind that the moment someone gets shot, he yells out and says, I did it.
I did it.
And takes his pants down or something like that.
I don't know exactly what he did.
Then, ready for this?
He gets arrested for child porn right away.
andrew santino
Right after this happened?
Right away.
joe rogan
He's in jail for child porn.
Why is that?
Well, now you can't interview him.
andrew santino
Right.
joe rogan
Right.
And when, because when the internet people start going, how do you, how are you at all these different things?
Like, what are the odds?
Like, if someone ran it through one of the Chat GPT fucking perplexity things, like, what are the odds that this guy would be at all those different events and be involved?
Like, zero.
andrew santino
This is the guy.
joe rogan
Yeah.
andrew santino
I just like that the pants down part is just insane shit.
It's like, why is your dick out?
I did it.
joe rogan
I did.
Listen, I'm not saying this guy isn't insane.
He's clearly insane.
Or not.
Or he's professionally insane.
andrew santino
Right.
joe rogan
That's where it gets squirrely.
andrew santino
I almost texted you when the Charlie Kirk thing happened because my antennas went up about they showed the photo of that kid or the guy that they have, the 22-year-old.
joe rogan
Yeah.
unidentified
Whatever.
andrew santino
And I was almost going to be like, dude, do you think he's got the capability to do that?
joe rogan
Well, listen, there are people that look like that that have the capability to do that.
andrew santino
Pretty accurate.
joe rogan
Nope.
unidentified
Nope.
joe rogan
Not hard.
Not hard at all.
Let me dispel that.
Let me dispel that.
Okay.
200 yards from a prone position with a dead-on rifle.
So if you have a dead-on rifle, so you set this rifle, you set your zero to 200 yards, right?
You know how far you're going to shoot.
It is not hard at all.
andrew santino
He shot a lot.
joe rogan
You don't have to shoot a lot.
I could do it tomorrow.
andrew santino
If you're a fur.
No, but you are experienced.
If it's someone that's never shot, could they do it?
joe rogan
100%.
Not if they've never shot, they wouldn't know where to look.
They'd have a hard time acquiring the, you know, like when you look through a scope, like the reticle is weird.
Like it takes, it's sometimes.
andrew santino
It takes a minute.
joe rogan
You got to know the distance that you have to be from it to really line it up in your sights.
But you could get a guy like my friend Andy Stumpf, who was a sniper in the SEALs.
You could get him and he could show you how to do it in an afternoon and then you could hit steel at 200 yards every time you pull the chip.
andrew santino
One day you could learn that.
unidentified
Yeah.
andrew santino
Wow.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Not that hard.
andrew santino
Because it feels insane to me.
I'm like, that seems tough.
joe rogan
It seems tough.
It seems tough.
We still haven't figured out whether or not the gun that shot Trump had a sight on it because we weren't sure if it had a sight on it or if this guy was using iron sights.
That was 140 yards.
If you shot it with iron sights, that's a lot harder.
Because iron sights is you're lining up.
So you have these two things in the back and there's one thing at the front of the barrel and you got to line those bitches up perfectly and that's how you stay accurate.
That is a lot harder to do.
andrew santino
It's like old shotguns have those, right?
Sure.
joe rogan
Pistols.
Yeah, but just buy a Glock.
That's what it comes with.
Right.
But this kid had a rifle with a scope.
Now, here's where it gets weird.
The first images of this rifle with a scope, I swear to God, it looks like he has a composite stock on it.
Like it looks like a modern 30-odd 6 rifle.
So a 30-odd 6, so that's the rifle.
30-odd 6 is like, that looks like a very modern-looking stock.
I mean, it might not be.
It might be just a bad resolution.
It might be wood.
It's hard to tell.
But if you showed me that and you said, hey, this is my cousin's rifle.
Is this any good?
I'd be like, looks like a standard bolt-action rifle, like a sophisticated modern scope on it.
Sure.
Now, apparently, the narrative is that this is his grandfather's rifle from World War I and doesn't have a serial code.
Okay.
andrew santino
Interesting.
joe rogan
Okay.
Why?
Wait, wait, wait, wait.
Why are you using such an old gun?
Like, that's kind of crazy.
Like, is it possible that an old gun can be that accurate?
If you have a gunsmith and they work on it, yeah, it's totally possible.
You have a really good gunsmith and he sets, if you're like a nostalgic person, you're like driving an old car, you could bring it to a mechanic that could redo the brakes.
unidentified
Sure.
joe rogan
So if you got a good gunsmith and he took a look at that and the action was true and the bore is good, you know, yeah, you could conceivably shoot with a gun for hundreds of years, right?
Guns don't necessarily go bad.
unidentified
Right.
andrew santino
They don't expire.
joe rogan
Right.
And especially because all the stuff, like the trigger and the action and all that different stuff is replaceable.
So you could just like, it's compartmentalized.
It's components.
That's the other thing.
They said that he took it apart and then put it back together again.
Shut the fuck up.
Do you know how much time it would take to do that if you were highly skilled?
andrew santino
To disassemble a gun.
joe rogan
To disassemble a rifle so that you can get it in a backpack.
And by the way, not going to fit.
andrew santino
Not going to fit.
joe rogan
And then somehow or another reconnects it once he gets off the roof.
What?
andrew santino
What's that?
Is that what they pitched, huh?
joe rogan
Yeah.
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joe rogan
If you shoot something, okay, like say if I take you to a long-range shooting range and we sit there and we get you on a bench and you're sitting there and you go, okay, we're going live.
And you flip off the safety and then you squeeze out that trigger.
You hear, boom, pink.
There's a gap in 200 yards between the shot going off and the impact.
There's a gap.
unidentified
It's like boom, tink, boom, tink.
joe rogan
Because it's far.
200 yards is far.
Even if that bullet is fucking go, it still takes time to get there.
And really long shots, like I know guys who do, like my buddy Justin, he does these long-range competitions where they'll shoot out to a mile plus.
They're shooting steel targets like that big at a mile plus.
And he's like, dude, the hang time is crazy.
It's like seconds.
andrew santino
You can hear, you hear separation.
joe rogan
It just watching it through the binoculars, too.
It's like somebody else is watching it.
So you got a guy next to you that's a spotter and you shoot, boom, and he's like, hit.
andrew santino
Literally.
joe rogan
It's that long.
So that the Charlie Kirk thing seemed instant.
It was like, boom, he was down.
andrew santino
Instant.
joe rogan
Boom.
andrew santino
So you think it was closer?
joe rogan
It could have been closer, or it could be the echo from that gun by the time the sound gets to you.
The bullet gets, because it takes longer for sound to get there, right?
Because these bullets are supersonic.
So the bullet will actually get there before the sound gets there.
So that's something to take into consideration.
andrew santino
God, it's a trip.
joe rogan
So it probably cancels.
Now that I'm thinking of myself, I'm like, well, that's a dumb, like, I had a dumb point.
The bullet is actually faster than sound.
But I don't, I don't buy the assembly reassembly.
I do not buy that.
They said he had a screwdriver up there.
Fuck yourself.
andrew santino
A screwdriver?
joe rogan
Yeah, you need more than a screwdriver.
You need multiple tools.
Okay.
You need Allen wrenches.
You need like specific gunsmith tools.
It's complicated.
I've got a video.
I've got a video of a guy breaking down a Mauser.
And so this Mauser is the same exact gun that supposedly this dude had in his grandpa had in World War One.
So this guy breaks down this Mauser and here it goes.
andrew santino
What's the fastest amount of time you can do that?
joe rogan
Many seconds.
This guy's very good.
Very good.
So this guy who's doing it has clearly got military experience or gun experience.
I don't remember, but we'll see when we watch the video.
But this guy knows what the fuck he's doing.
And it would take me a lot longer than it took him.
andrew santino
And that kid, it would take a forever.
joe rogan
Unless this kid has secretly been training like John Wick for the past six months.
Unless, so watch this guy break this down.
unidentified
It takes two different tools to take it apart.
It takes a Torx key and an Allen key.
Now, if I take a shot and immediately disassemble this, I have to remove the bolt, remove the magazine, grab my Allen key, hit the two bolts on the bottom, put those away in the Allen key, grab my Torx key, remove the scope, put everything in the backpack, make sure I have everything and make my way downtown.
Okay, which is going to take a lot longer for him than it is for me, especially because his fine-tuned motor function, something as simple as grabbing an Allen key to a little bolt, is going to be extremely impaired due to a dump of adrenaline throughout his bloodstream.
An extreme elevated heart rate is going to make these fine-tuned skills extremely difficult.
I mean, just for him to think and analyze of what needs to be done to disassemble this rifle and get away would be difficult.
We're not even going to touch the topic of him assembling the rifle on top of the roof.
joe rogan
So the people that are listening to this, just listening, he is at 38 seconds right now.
And all he's got, he's got the barrel away from the stock.
He's removing the scope from the barrel.
And right now he's 47 seconds and he's struggling and he's totally calm.
And he didn't just shoot a guy.
And then he's supposed to get it in that stupid fucking backpack.
It's literally, it makes no sense.
andrew santino
And the elevator music was a nice touch, by the way.
joe rogan
So this is just a narrative, right?
We watch a guy jump off the roof and then we supposedly find this rifle.
So if you can have a guy that's in the audience that's yelling, I shot him, now shoot me.
I shot him, now shoot me.
And then that guy gets arrested for child porn charges.
Like he's like, what is going on here?
And then you find this rifle and then you say, oh, he assembled it and he reassembled it.
Like, okay.
I wish I was a cop.
I'd sit in the room like, this story is horseshit.
Like, none of these things make any sense to me.
Like, you're telling me that this kid who's not military trained, this guy, first of all, how did he get to the roof?
How come nobody was looking?
How come nobody was like, there's a direct line of sight between where he's sitting and those roofs?
You guys didn't check?
You don't have a drone?
Like, that's insane.
So he's on the roof.
He shoots.
He jumps from the roof.
He jumps down 14 feet.
andrew santino
Yeah, we saw they had, didn't they have video of him jumping?
Somebody had a cell phone video of him jumping.
joe rogan
There's a video of him jumping.
So this guy, whoever it is, jumps off of the roof and lands, whether or not he's even the guy who shot him.
Maybe he thought he was going to shoot him.
Maybe he's a Patsy.
Maybe he did it.
andrew santino
I feel like he's a plant.
Did you see the video?
Did you see the person doing the investigating on his mom's Facebook?
joe rogan
No.
andrew santino
You haven't seen this?
Have you seen that, Jamie?
Some dude online.
joe rogan
His mom's got a weird Facebook coffee.
andrew santino
Very trippy.
It doesn't make any sense.
Like, the more they keep looking into it, the more they're like, this doesn't feel like a real.
It feels super fabricated.
joe rogan
But here's the thing.
Just like I was talking about when people are arguing on social media, it's all part of the plan.
If you want things to be bad, buckets, if, if you want people to lose all faith that anyone is going to solve anything, you add a bunch of, you're going to kill a guy.
You add a bunch of other wacky shit that doesn't make any sense and you spam it out there at the same time.
You leave a gun that didn't do it out in the woods.
You do a bunch of shit like that.
andrew santino
You have an old man put his dick out and yell, I did it, I did it, I did it.
joe rogan
Yeah, you get some kid who has a boyfriend who's a furry and you're a fan of it.
And you talk to him on Discord.
I think he's a furry.
I don't want to disrespect.
andrew santino
I don't know if that's a reality.
joe rogan
His boyfriend's definitely a guy who became a girl.
andrew santino
And wears furry stuff.
joe rogan
I think they do furry sex.
I think, or furry games, excuse me.
My apologies.
I don't want to disrespect the furry sex or furry game community.
Bro, shout out to the furries because me and Duncan Trussell, we did a podcast once with the mascot outfits.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
And we took the masks off after like five minutes.
We're like, bro, shout out to the furries.
Like, this is fucking hard.
andrew santino
It's tired.
joe rogan
You have this big chipmunk head on all day.
They're heavy.
You're hot in there.
We couldn't breathe.
Like, oh, dude.
We took it off and we're like, shout out to the furries because these guys are out there rocking that all day long.
Like, that is a commitment to being weird.
andrew santino
I just don't know.
I just don't, something doesn't add up about it.
joe rogan
Something doesn't add up.
andrew santino
It feels weird.
joe rogan
The whole thing feels weird.
andrew santino
Between that, this was my story.
Between that, 9-11, Charlie Kirk, Kimmel.
joe rogan
Yeah.
andrew santino
I was on the phone with my age and I was like, good time for me to put out a fucking special.
This is the fucking worst dude.
Like the worst week.
joe rogan
It's not, though.
It's a good time.
Wow, you want to get away?
andrew santino
It's just so stupid to think, though, that I was like, oh, this is, but this is the world we live in.
If someone is, I said, if you're waiting for a gap for like a good time, it doesn't exist.
joe rogan
It doesn't exist.
andrew santino
You just have to just have to keep going because this is insane.
joe rogan
That way of thinking that there's a gap, like there's a season.
This is summer, springtime.
It's pilot season.
All that shit's gone.
Pilot season doesn't exist anymore.
That was the fucking everybody would structure their year around pilot season.
andrew santino
Going back to LA.
joe rogan
Yes, it was huge.
All my friends from New York would all come out to LA.
It was a great time at the store.
Pilot season.
Look, everybody's here.
andrew santino
I did love that.
unidentified
It was great.
andrew santino
People came from New York and they stay for a month and you're like, oh, I see these guys.
unidentified
Yes.
It was great.
joe rogan
Pilot season was great.
It doesn't exist anymore.
andrew santino
Well, it can't, right?
joe rogan
There's no shows.
andrew santino
And it doesn't matter anymore now because what Apple's investment has done, what Netflix has done, what all these streaming services have done.
joe rogan
What YouTube has done.
andrew santino
YouTube.
They basically have been like, well, we'll just dictate how the shows exist.
joe rogan
Well, they didn't even say that.
They just put out content that you can get instantaneously.
And they just put out so much of it that they drown the other people without even talking about them.
andrew santino
Yeah.
unidentified
They didn't even have to bring them up.
andrew santino
Well, that's why those numbers, I mean, you know, that's why the numbers for TV is so weird and low because young people are like, well, I'll just watch it on my phone.
Yes.
I don't want to watch that.
joe rogan
So going back to this Jimmy Kimmel thing, there's a lot going on with this.
andrew santino
Do you know him, by the way?
Yes.
joe rogan
He's a good guy.
andrew santino
I see him.
joe rogan
Jimmy's a good guy.
He's a smart guy.
He's a funny guy.
He was always very funny on when, you know, he did that fucking Windy City Heat thing.
andrew santino
I love that.
Such a good movie.
joe rogan
I think he tried to distance himself from that.
He's like very, very, very, very successful because it's a 25-year prank.
andrew santino
What's his name?
Perry Phil.
joe rogan
Let's not mention him.
unidentified
Okay.
joe rogan
Let's because to just, let's just have people go find it when he's high heat.
But you see that and you go, oh, that's the same guy?
Like, yeah.
Well, one thing that does happen to guys as they get older is, you know, they soften their ways and they change who they are and they change how they interface with the world.
And, you know, and then if you're in Hollywood, you are also addicted to an ideology.
And it depends on what kind of style you have.
So if you have a funny, mocking style that is like satirical, that's always making fun of things tongue-in-cheek, like Norm McDonald, perfect example.
Norm McDonald, even if he's making fun of you, is not going to piss you off to the point where you tweet about him.
Because if you do, he kind of won.
He kind of got you.
You know what I mean?
So it's like Kimmel has this sort of go fuck yourself style.
Because kind of ironically, he celebrated in his monologue when Tucker Carlson got fired.
It's kind of a problem.
It's also kind of a problem that he, in his monologue, talked about how it was the right thing to fire Roseanne.
andrew santino
Yeah, I remember that.
joe rogan
A little bit of a problem.
andrew santino
Yeah.
joe rogan
A little bit of a problem.
Also a problem that he thought the unvaccinated, he made a joke about the unvaccinated people shouldn't get hospital care if there's people who are vaccinated that need that room.
I think the joke was, oh, vaccinated person who's had a heart attack, come right in here, sir.
Unvaxed person who gobbled horse goo, rest in peace, Weezy.
Like that was the joke.
Like, I'm unvaccinated.
And I was like, that's kind of a fucked up joke, but I'm not mad at him.
andrew santino
No, it's a joke.
joe rogan
It's just a joke.
andrew santino
It's a joke.
joe rogan
But it's like those things weren't a problem.
This one thing where he said it was a low point.
What did he say?
I want to be real clear.
Let's pull up his actual quote because what he said was not bad.
It wasn't accurate, though, but it wasn't bad.
He was just trying to set up this joke of Trump, which was good.
andrew santino
It was a great joke.
joe rogan
It was very funny.
andrew santino
But the setup was a little wonky.
I do remember listening.
joe rogan
The problem with doing it that way on Monday is that by Sunday night, they already knew that this guy, his family had been saying that, again, I don't even know if he really did it.
But this person who they're talking about.
andrew santino
The plant.
joe rogan
This person who they're talking about, whether or not he did it or didn't do it, the FBI is now investigating deeply and further, by the way.
andrew santino
Yeah, we'll find out.
joe rogan
So Cash Patel did say that.
Whatever that means, right?
But so here it is, what he actually says.
Here's the actual actual.
jimmy kimmel
Some new lows over the weekend with the MAGA gang desperately trying to characterize this kid who murdered Charlie Kirk as anything other than one of them and doing everything they can to score political points from it.
andrew santino
In between the fingerprints, yeah, that was a weird phrasing when he goes, they're trying to pin it as anybody but them.
joe rogan
Yeah.
andrew santino
Asserting that he was a MAGA.
joe rogan
Well, this is the thing.
In the beginning, people thought he was.
So the first reports were that he was a hardcore right-wing guy, that he was a registered Republican, which he may or may not be.
Sometimes people go back and forth, you know.
And then the other thing was that he was a groiper.
So he was a Nick Fuentes fan.
That was some other stuff that was going around.
andrew santino
What's Groiper?
joe rogan
We'll get into that in a bit.
Hold, please.
Then it came out that, no, his father is a law enforcement guy.
jamie vernon
I don't think that's true.
joe rogan
That's not true.
jamie vernon
I think that was part of the story, but I think later found out that wasn't true.
joe rogan
So some family members, by Sunday, the Utah governor was saying that family members were reporting that this young man had been wrapped up in some very hardcore leftist ideology.
So this had already been released on Sunday.
So on Monday, if Kimmel had just said, you know, it was a tragic thing that Charlie Kirk died and let's see what the president thinks about it.
Goes right to him and like, this is a fourth stage of grief.
andrew santino
It's a great joke.
joe rogan
It's a great joke.
The whole thing was great.
But the problem is we had already known by then, again, at least the narrative is that this kid is not a MAGA person.
The narrative by Sunday night, so a day before, by Sunday night, it was this kid was really wrapped up in some hardcore leftist Antifa ideologies.
Listen, here's the other reality.
If you're 20, you're dumb as shit.
And people can get you to be a Nazi.
They can get you to be a Muslim.
They can get you to be Mormon.
They can get you to be a Scientologist.
They can get you to be anything.
When people are young and they don't have any friends and their parents suck, you can indoctrinate them.
When I was doing martial arts when I was a kid, I was basically in a cult.
I was just in a cult of how to fuck people up.
Everybody bowed to everybody with bananas.
You have to call everyone sir and mister.
It's kind of very cult-like.
It's very disciplined.
It creates a great structure.
It was good for me growing up.
But at the end of the day, it's kind of occult-like.
We're just lucky they didn't take advantage of us.
andrew santino
Right.
They make you stay after and do other shit.
joe rogan
20-year-olds are dumb, dude.
It's like we have to have a little bit more grace for people across the board.
Not for, obviously, not for ones who actually shoot Charlie Kirk, but the problem is everybody, because they're online all the time, genuinely believes that there's this crazy culture war that we have to stand up and fight against.
I was telling you about that guy that was saying that you have to be like Neil for the Matrix now.
You're calling.
I'm like, will you fucking settle down?
andrew santino
Slow down, dude.
joe rogan
Settle down.
andrew santino
Just get your matcha and chill out.
joe rogan
Also, it's like the last thing the left wants is an actual fight with the right.
They are so much more armed.
andrew santino
I was just going to say, who do you think has all the guns?
joe rogan
Who do you think is former military?
Who do you think is law enforcement?
You think there's a lot of lefty law enforcement people out there?
Are you fucking crazy?
andrew santino
Yeah, it's a bad, it's a bad.
But this is the thing, I think, what you said, the bot farming, they're plotting really hard for us to hate each other as much as we possibly can.
And so, but what is that?
What's the overarching thing?
That's the older I get, the more I'm like, what is really fucking going on?
joe rogan
That's a big part of it.
You can't let that happen, folks.
You can't let that happen.
And this is something that I've been saying for a long time.
Pretend I didn't say it.
Pretend somebody else said it if you don't like me.
We have to be a community.
This is the United States of America.
We're supposed to be a country.
Like, we can have differences of opinions.
Like, when we're in the mothership green room, my politics are so different than Ron White's.
And Ron White's are so different than Brian Simpsons.
And Assange somewhere in the middle.
His is different.
And Tony's Tony.
He's got his like.
andrew santino
Tony's.
joe rogan
We're all sitting here having conversations about things, but we're never like, hey, fuck you.
You fucking fascist.
You don't know.
We're not calling people names.
We'll disagree on what happens if you get, like, I think you need a social safety net.
There's a lot of people who don't think that.
But when I was a kid, my family was on welfare.
We were poor.
Like, it helps you.
It helps people eat, man.
Like, you're talking literally about people that could go hungry in the United States of America, which is step one to fix.
andrew santino
Right.
joe rogan
Like, it doesn't mean that you're going to divide everybody's money amongst everybody else and it's going to be con- No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
You got to have some social safety net.
You have to have food.
You have to have housing.
You should have education.
All of it should be free.
College level education.
Why the fuck do you go broke getting educated?
Do we not want people to make, if we're going to subsidize anything in this country, wouldn't we subsidize education?
No, we're going to subsidize corn.
We need more corn syrup.
We need more people getting fat and stupid.
It's crazy that there's pushback against that.
It doesn't mean that you think equal outcomes should exist.
No, hard work is real.
Discipline is real.
It's important.
You want to have a good life?
You got to go after something.
You don't have a quality of outcome because you don't have a quality of effort.
It's that simple.
It really is.
andrew santino
And some people need a little extra help.
I think the more, and look, and this is me saying something about you, knowing you as long as I've known you.
You're someone that's very generous and you've always been very generous.
And you kind of instilled that in the community.
So a lot of people learn through you that, like, hey, man, if you get more, you should probably want to give a little bit more.
joe rogan
You should give more because it's nice.
It doesn't feel bad to you at all.
andrew santino
Right.
unidentified
At all.
andrew santino
And it doesn't affect you.
You said that one time.
I don't know who was saying that.
You were like, what do you leave for a tip?
And someone said something, whatever the number was.
I'm not going to call.
And then you go, why?
That's nothing.
If you left a little bit more, you wouldn't even know the difference.
You said, leave that.
You won't even know the difference.
And they're like, well, I don't know.
And you're like, you won't even know it's gone because you're doing well.
Someone else, you can lift up just a little bit more.
joe rogan
You give them a love bomb.
andrew santino
Yeah, dude.
joe rogan
It's just a love bomb.
andrew santino
It's just a love bomb.
Give them a little bit more.
joe rogan
I'd love tipping because when you, like, if I'm in Europe, it kind of bums me out because nobody wants tips or they don't have to.
andrew santino
It's so crazy.
joe rogan
It's a weird system because this system is flawed as it is because I do think that people should be paid a living wage.
I don't think you should have to rely on the benefit, the generosity of other people that you're serving.
That's kind of crazy, too.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Because not everybody is like me.
A lot of people are fucking really stingy, man.
I know some people that really suck at tipping.
It's gross.
andrew santino
Call them out.
Here we go.
Here's the list.
joe rogan
Let's not do it.
But the point is, it's like when you do, if you can do it, like if you can live, if you're supposed to leave 10 bucks and you leave 100, like, you know how good that feels to that person?
andrew santino
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
They just like, oh, you gave them a little love bomb.
And if you've got some money in the bank, do you know that $100 is missing?
No, you don't know it.
You have no idea.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
You drop $100 in that fucking Starbucks bowl.
Because of shit.
Let's move on.
We're going to the airport.
andrew santino
There's a lot of people listening that's like, I'm not doing that.
joe rogan
You don't have to do that, but whatever you can do that doesn't affect you.
Look, if you're getting by and you're struggling, I get it, man.
That's not what I'm talking about.
I'm talking about once you're not, giving people a little is good.
It feels good.
It's nice.
andrew santino
And I think that carries through.
I think people start to see it as a cool thing to do.
So then it carries on.
joe rogan
Being nice is cool.
And the other thing is, it's like you don't realize how much it benefits you.
Like it makes you feel good, too.
andrew santino
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
It makes you feel good.
andrew santino
Oh, I love it.
It's a universal thing.
It like feeds it.
joe rogan
It feeds.
andrew santino
I'm going to say this one thing about the Kimmel thing and then I'm done because I didn't finish kind of my thought before.
But I like Jimmy.
I texted him just to check in with him because I've always liked him.
He's always been pretty cool to me.
Also, my buddy was like, how crazy?
You're like one of the last guests on Kimmel.
I did it like a week before he got dropped.
I was like, oh, that'll be cool.
That'll fucking end my career of late night with his canceled show.
But I like the dude a lot.
And I think my beef with that world is, I think they got so political and they had to ground themselves in it so much that it took away from how fun those shows could be.
unidentified
Yeah.
andrew santino
So that's my biggest problem with all of them.
And it's not necessarily Jimmy's fault.
It's not any of the Colbert.
It's kind of that just the system that started to take place.
joe rogan
It's everybody's fault.
It's the president's fault too.
Because he's doing it back and forth with him.
But meanwhile, he got together and had dinner with Bill Maher, who's been talking shit about him for decades.
And apparently Bill Maher liked him.
They like each other.
andrew santino
I think I saw that.
joe rogan
Do you know how crazy that is?
That what works at the comedy store also works at the White House?
unidentified
Just talk to him.
andrew santino
Talk to him.
joe rogan
Like, how many times do you have a little beef with a comedian?
You get in front of him and you have a conversation with him.
And then 20 minutes later, Mark Maron.
20 minutes later, you're hugging each other.
Right, because most people in person are cool.
But you get lost in whatever the fuck is in your head.
You're arguing with yourself.
And with Trump, it's all about disrespect.
You know, if he feels disrespect, if he could turn those guys all into fans of his, we might save the world from a war.
And I'm not kidding.
And it's like, well, the person like that shouldn't be present.
You're right.
But also, no one should be president because everybody has a little of that guy in them, which is what drives you the most nuts.
Everybody has a little of that.
Fuck you.
Even though I'm a president, I'm going to call some girl I slept with horse face.
I'm going to call Kim Jong-un Rocket Man.
Little Rocket Man.
There's no one should do that fucking job.
Understand, it's crazy.
It's as crazy as wanting to be on late night TV.
It's antiquated.
It doesn't make any sense anymore.
It was a good job when there was like 150 different fucking cities and it was like, you know, a million people in the whole country and you can kind of like keep it together.
We're at 330 plus who knows how many people snuck in during the last four years.
How many terrorist cells and how many fucking things are ready to spring to trick you into adopting some sort of a digital ID?
Yeah.
Yeah.
It's wild.
At the same time, they're making so much AI that they're not even going to be able to power it.
The grid's not going to be able to handle it.
If we're going to really compete in the AI race, we have to substantially improve the power grid and power output.
andrew santino
How do we do that?
The fucking thing.
joe rogan
You're asking the wrong guy.
But I know I read, Brian Simpson sent me this today.
I'll send it to you, Jamie.
But I was looking at this.
I was like, Jesus Christ, this is one of those things where you're like, every time I started to think, well, well, if we take care of all, oh, this too?
This too?
andrew santino
I saw this thing.
Japan has these kinetic energy sidewalks and it's because of the foot traffic.
And so that kinetic energy transfers into stored energy.
joe rogan
We're going to need nuclear, dude.
And we're going to need a lot of it.
They're doing a Google AI.
And this Google AI, they're connecting to the construction of three different nuclear power plants.
unidentified
Three?
andrew santino
Three.
joe rogan
Yeah.
andrew santino
Big, big.
joe rogan
You have to power the new God, Santino.
You got to power the new God.
The new God requires a lot of electricity.
andrew santino
Yeah, God, he's hungry.
joe rogan
Look at that.
andrew santino
He needs energy.
joe rogan
Now, this may or may not be true because this is someone whiz of, what is it?
Whiz of DAO?
Wizophy.
WizoFi.
jamie vernon
Wiz on instant.
andrew santino
No, whiz of AI.
joe rogan
Oh, Jesus Christ.
Oh, my God.
I'm retarded.
Is this AI then?
It might be AI tricking us with a story about AI.
andrew santino
That White House tech meeting wasn't about AI.
Apple, NVIDIA, Meta came for one reason to secure electricity before it runs out.
The real agenda, a $500 billion electricity crisis that could shut down AI development.
Here's what they're not telling you.
joe rogan
Click on that.
unidentified
I love the Zuckerberg photo they put up there that they used.
joe rogan
Every major tech CEO at the summit shared the same fear.
We don't have enough power for AI.
Not enough to run trillion parameter models.
Not enough to power hyperscale data centers.
Not enough to meet the chip demand that doubles every nine months.
Dude, doubles.
The media spun it as historic pledges for AI innovation, but behind closed doors, the conversation was blunt.
This might be just like an article they write about behind closed doors of the mothership.
Behind closed doors.
They're handing out Nazi parnopheria and Seaguil and each other.
Most shocking deal so far, Microsoft just locked up all, in all caps, all of the Three Mile Island nuclear output.
837 megawatts, 20-year contract.
Plant won't even restart until 2028.
First of all, Three Mile Island is the place that melted down in like the 70s.
Do you remember that?
andrew santino
Yeah.
Three Mile Island?
Yeah.
joe rogan
Who wants that spot?
Is that SPY good?
Is it good now?
Like, you guys had a meltdown there just 30 years ago.
andrew santino
Right.
How's that real estate?
joe rogan
How many years ago was it?
I think it was 50.
Was it 50 years ago?
jamie vernon
I just Googled on my phone an NPR article that says Three Mile Island Nuclear Plant will reopen.
joe rogan
It's fine.
jamie vernon
Microsoft data centers.
andrew santino
It's Microsoft owns it.
It's not now.
It's fine.
joe rogan
Don't worry about it.
We covered it in Bill Gates' APL.
That stuff that they put around avocados.
andrew santino
What is that shit?
joe rogan
I don't know.
You tell me.
It helps things stay fresh.
andrew santino
Stay fresh longer.
Wait, go.
What did that say?
The last thing said.
Microsoft already owns every future electron it will produce.
They pre-bought.
We bought all that stuff.
joe rogan
They bought the whole power plant.
andrew santino
That's like a wrapper.
joe rogan
But this is the thing.
I think you have to do that.
This is just Microsoft's solution to it.
Jamie, could you please Google what Google's AI is going to need and the amount of power plants that it's dedicating to this AI thing that it's doing?
And this is, again, not quantum.
So quantum computing is a completely different level.
You have to cool things down.
The entire, it's like this enormous machine that's entire, the whole purpose of all this stuff and these tubes and shit is to get this chip so fucking cold, it's like it's in space.
It has to be like space cold.
andrew santino
Because it runs better when it's freezing.
joe rogan
That's the only way it works.
andrew santino
Right.
joe rogan
I don't understand it.
andrew santino
God, I hate that shit.
joe rogan
Do you want to know how strong it is?
Ready for this?
andrew santino
Yeah.
joe rogan
This is what Mark Andreessen said.
Quantum computing can take an equation that this is Mark Andreessen's words.
That if you converted the entire universe, every atom in the entire universe into a supercomputer, the universe would die of heat death before it solved this equation.
And the quantum computer solved it in minutes.
In minutes.
Like in the time it takes you to take a shit while you're looking at Instagram, it figured out something that would take the entire universe until it dies of heat death.
If you took every atom of the universe and converted it into a supercomputer, the biggest fucking supercomputer, it would still, it's so complex that the universe would run out of time.
And this quantum computer did it in minutes.
And they're speculating, like, how could it do it?
And one of the main points of speculation is that it's proof of the multiverse.
And so they're banned, you know, they have to explore every single possible idea.
And one of the most fantastical is that this is evidence that not only is this quantum computer able to harness impossible amounts of computational power, but then it shares it with an infinite number of these quantum computers that are in other direction, or other dimensions, rather.
And so they're all simultaneously working on this project together and they come up with a solution within minutes.
So it's far more intelligent than the entire universe.
If the universe was a supercomputer and it's in a room somewhere in Dallas.
andrew santino
It's down the street.
joe rogan
Jack Carr writes about it in one of his books, in the terminalist books.
And, you know, and he kind of really investigated extensively whether or not this kind of thing is possible.
And it really is.
It's not just possible.
They're demonstrating.
So what we know about it, like as far as press releases, conversations about it, it's very public.
But we don't know what it's doing right now.
What is it doing right now?
You think they're going to tell us?
What is it today?
September 22nd.
Is that what it is?
andrew santino
Yeah.
joe rogan
September 22nd, 2025.
Are they going to tell us what it's doing right now?
Maybe it's like writing a new Bible.
You know?
andrew santino
Yeah, it's owned by it.
joe rogan
Maybe it's like, I'm coming back.
Maybe it's God.
Like, this is how God comes back.
It comes back through a supercomputer.
andrew santino
Super supercomputer.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Yeah.
andrew santino
That's a trip, dude.
joe rogan
It's not just a trip.
It's plausible.
andrew santino
Yeah, no, it's probably happening right now.
joe rogan
I know I've been hit in the head a bunch of times and I smoke a lot of weed.
I'm half retarded.
But I might be right about this.
andrew santino
You might be right about this.
joe rogan
I think we're making a God.
andrew santino
We're creating a new God.
joe rogan
Yeah, we're creating a new God.
Or, or.
And that's why these fucking arguments that people are having about Jimmy Kimmel are so fucking stupid.
You're in the middle of one of the craziest things that's ever happened to the human race, and you've got a feud between the president and a talk show host.
And the talk show host, like, he's getting—we don't— Here's the thing about this whole deal that's going on.
Because we started talking about it, but we don't know if it affect.
We don't know if there was a conversation where someone said, hey, if you get rid of this guy, I'll help this thing get across.
Because it looks like the deal was you, it was like a thing where you could only have a certain amount of stations.
Otherwise, you'd have some sort of a monopoly.
And they're going to change the rule.
Is that correct?
andrew santino
Because star, what's the name of the company again?
Star.
jamie vernon
Next star.
Next star.
I think it's an FCC rule.
Either way, it's a rule that the FCC had talked about changing that you can't have over X, like 34%.
andrew santino
They were going to have the conversation to start it to see if this was possible, to let you have more than a certain percentage.
joe rogan
And this is for TV stations, right?
andrew santino
Yeah, because they own 192.
That's the number?
It's something fucking.
joe rogan
This motherfucker's out here buying AM radio stations.
If I was Nancy Pelosi, I'd start betting against him.
Like, what are you doing?
You're going into TV today.
andrew santino
Today.
joe rogan
And you're going into TV and to get your deal to go through, you're going to expose the flaws of being on TV publicly to the world where you're going to get a guy removed to help your deal grease through.
You're literally going to poison your own business because people are going to start questioning, how does it, why do you not, why do you need a licensed, why does the FCC, like, this is what you're really concerned about?
Is there some...
unidentified
Can I see some emails?
joe rogan
Did you guys have dinner together?
Like, can I see some fucking metadata where the cell phones were three days before this decision was reached?
So it's, you don't know.
And then you've got Jimmy Kimmel, who's like a feisty dude, and he's like, hey, fuck you.
And if you're the guy who could say, hey, fuck you to the president, he apparently didn't want to back down.
And not only did he not want to back down, and he kind of ramped it up.
And so on Tuesday, he went at him again.
andrew santino
Yeah.
joe rogan
And he kind of talked about it.
And then they pulled the plug on it.
So, like, there's a lot of factors there.
You could say that maybe they thought that in this incredibly trying time after the murder of a political guy who was very controversial.
Like, maybe we should take the temperature down a notch as a country.
andrew santino
But you just said it.
They exposed themselves, though.
By doing that, now you open up a weird Pandora's box of people.
joe rogan
They didn't play it out.
They didn't play it out.
You have to play 4D chess with that shit because you have a.
If I was working for them, I would say, hold on.
You have a very, very vulnerable business.
This business is kind of nonsense.
Anybody can make a channel and just throw it up on YouTube.
Anybody can make a website on Squarespace and stream video.
Like, what are you doing?
andrew santino
And we're doing it.
They're happening right now more and more and more.
And also the numbers were, they started to expose the numbers.
jamie vernon
It's supposed to do with the, it's because it's the radio spectrum and that has to stay up for like emergency purposes.
This gets way into the weeds with this.
joe rogan
Oh, okay.
That makes sense, too.
jamie vernon
That's why the tower went out, YouTube would be gone.
joe rogan
Right, right, right.
That's interesting.
So you need some kind of a way to get signals across.
But guess what, kids?
If the power goes out, that's your last concern.
andrew santino
See you later.
joe rogan
The last concern is: how many bullets does Bobby have?
Can I borrow some bullets from Bobby?
We got to go shoot squirrels to stay alive.
There's no more squirrels.
We shot all the squirrels.
We have to move to where the animals live because you think you live around animals, but you live around a relative number of animals for an urban or suburban environment.
Once people start shooting the pigeons, they go away real quick.
The passenger pigeon used to be one of the most populated birds on this country, and they're extinct now.
The passenger pigeons were so numerous that they would fly overhead, they would block out the sky.
You wouldn't be able to see.
Yeah, there was millions of them, like a cloud, a cloud of passenger pigeons that would fly over cities and just block out the sky.
andrew santino
Died out because of food?
Because of what?
We killed them.
We killed them all.
joe rogan
We killed them all.
andrew santino
Kill them all.
joe rogan
We kill them all.
Probably caught them with nets.
andrew santino
Throwing nets in the sky.
joe rogan
But we killed them.
Yeah.
So it's like the animals that we have around us.
Like if you say, oh, I live in the suburbs, I'm fine.
No, no, no, no, no.
No, you're fine for a week.
You're going to be shooting deer out there for a week.
Like, no, they're going to go away.
You're not going to have any more deer.
You're going to have to live way away from people where there's a good population of animals, a sustainable population.
And then they might figure out that that's where you live and they might not visit that spot anymore.
And they can realize they could just go 30 miles left, which is, you know, what evolution's all about.
And then you got to realize, like, oh, that's why the Native Americans were nomadic.
Fuck.
So this beautiful log cabin you built, you got to leave it behind.
And you got to go chase around these fucking mule deers because it's the only way you're going to stay alive.
And you got to sleep on the dirt with some stupid rolled-up mattress that you carry around on your back.
Yeah, that's what you have to do.
And that's how you have to live.
unidentified
Right.
andrew santino
On the go.
joe rogan
And if you don't do that, you'll die.
That's it.
So all this nonsense about the FCC, you can suck my dick.
That is such a small problem.
That's such a small problem.
But yeah, man, I'm not in favor of silencing talk show hosts.
It just, but also as a talk show host, you should be accurate, you know.
And again, I don't know if the narrative that the governor of Utah was saying is correct.
I don't know if that's even the kid that did it.
Things change, man.
Like people for the longest time thought Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone because the government told you that.
It wasn't until Dick Gregory came on the Geraldo Rivera show that people started to question that.
And that was how many years later was it?
No, I think it was like eight.
Let's see.
It was 63.
It might have been nine.
It might have been like nine years later.
unidentified
75.
joe rogan
75.
andrew santino
Wow.
joe rogan
12.
andrew santino
No way.
joe rogan
12 years after the murder.
andrew santino
Finally.
joe rogan
Crazy.
So 12 years after the murder, people watched the Zapruder film.
And in this Pruder film, you clearly see him grab his neck like he got shot from the front.
And then you see his head go back into the left when he gets hit with a headshot.
andrew santino
Back into the left.
joe rogan
So that alone made everybody go, hold the fuck on.
And then they started looking into the conspiracy around the bullet.
So they had said that there was three shots had rung out and that he had hit Governor Connolly.
And the president had been hit twice.
The problem with that narrative was there was an underpass and a ricochet from the underpass where a bullet hit one of those little curbstones and hit a dude and fucked him up and he had to go to the hospital.
They documented that.
It became on record that this guy was hit with a ricochet.
And so now you got a problem because you have two bullets that have to have all these wounds.
One of them is going to be the headshot.
And then you got this other one that causes three fucking holes in two different people.
andrew santino
It's a lot of ricocheting, dude.
A lot of work for one bullet.
joe rogan
You've got to find the bullet in perfect condition on the gurney where they're bringing Lee Harvey Oswald's body in, which doesn't make any sense.
Like, how is it even there?
Oh, he just happened to go collect it after he shot him in the head, and then he put it in his pocket, and then he just, when they killed him, they dropped it off.
Like, what are you talking about?
It doesn't make any sense.
andrew santino
It doesn't make sense.
unidentified
Excuse me.
joe rogan
It was Connolly's body.
That's what it was.
It was in the gurney for Connolly's body.
But either way, like, shut the fuck up.
How's that bullet getting on the gurney?
And how's it imperfect?
It just fell out of him.
jimmy kimmel
Oh, look.
andrew santino
Oh, it's right there.
unidentified
Look.
joe rogan
And it looks like it's been shot through pillows.
Have you ever seen the magic bullet?
unidentified
Uh-uh.
joe rogan
Take a look at it.
Jamie, show this motherfucker how the government was lying to people in 1963.
andrew santino
But if you could call them out, they go, okay, fine.
joe rogan
No one cares because nothing happened.
It's 2025.
I'll show you some shit in 1963 that's 100% bullshit.
100% bullshit.
andrew santino
Even when they admit it, though, right?
unidentified
What is this?
andrew santino
Didn't we just have a military plane shoot a UFO, right?
Didn't we just have this?
joe rogan
Yes, with a Hellfire missile.
andrew santino
It's so funny.
Bounce right now.
Bounced off of it.
joe rogan
Why are we shooting at UFOs?
So look at that.
That's the bullet.
That's the bullet that's supposedly.
andrew santino
Is it carved out of wood?
joe rogan
It's a perfect bullet.
It's so dumb.
And I've had arguments with people.
Well, it's actually not.
It's misshapen.
I'm like, how many bullets have you shot, bitch?
How many fucking things have you shot with a bullet and taking a look at it?
I bet I've shot a lot more than you.
And I'll tell you what, when bullets hit things, they distort.
andrew santino
Yeah, they don't look like that.
joe rogan
They don't look like that.
They definitely don't leave more fragments in Governor Connolly's body than we're missing from the actual bullet itself.
andrew santino
The idea of that ricochet moving through.
joe rogan
Come on.
Shut the fuck up.
Shut the fuck up.
But bullets do do weird things.
andrew santino
They do.
But that is insane.
joe rogan
Yeah, that's kooky.
andrew santino
But taking a left turn.
joe rogan
The only reason why they had to come up with that kooky reason is because the guy in the underpass.
Because in the time it took for the limousine to pass through, have you ever been in that area?
andrew santino
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
It's cool.
Dealy Plaza is weird.
andrew santino
It's weird.
joe rogan
You're there.
You're like, whoa.
And it's little.
andrew santino
Yeah, it's tinier than you think.
On TV, it looks so big when you saw the footage of it.
And then when you see the distance, too, that was the first thing I said.
joe rogan
Easy.
andrew santino
Chris O'Connor, I go.
joe rogan
Easy shot.
andrew santino
It's an easy shot.
joe rogan
Yeah, people that's saying, oh, he could have never made that shot.
Yeah, you could.
andrew santino
That wasn't that far at all.
joe rogan
Anybody saying that you couldn't make that shot?
I could get my friend Andy.
My friend Andy works with you for a week.
You can make that shot.
100%.
100%.
andrew santino
It was far as you.
joe rogan
You skeptics.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's not that hard.
andrew santino
No.
joe rogan
I could do it.
I could make that shot.
Easy.
andrew santino
But it's a trick.
It is really condensed how quick you get to that turn.
joe rogan
Like, it's faster than it's faster, but the car's not going fast.
And he's got a scope on the rifle.
And he's got a rifle that was substantially newer than the one that this guy just killed Charlie Kirk with, allegedly.
andrew santino
Yeah, because that was a World War I. Is that what they say?
joe rogan
Yeah.
I think his was a Carkano, right?
Is that what it was?
The Lee Harvey Oswald one.
And this one supposedly is a Mauser.
Is it the same?
That might be the same thing.
andrew santino
There it is.
joe rogan
Is it the same gun?
They don't look like the same gun.
No, but that's just a different stock.
And so what was the name of the gun that Lee Harvey Oswald supposedly shot JFK with?
This is the other thing.
The Lee Harvey Oswald thing.
This is one of the things that the doubters of whether or not he could make that shot always say.
Like the scope was off.
A Carkano.
Okay, it's Carkano.
And then this kid, it was a Mauser, correct?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
All right.
So it's a different rifle.
But the point is, like, the Mauser that this kid had is substantially older than the rifle that in 1963 shot JFK.
That's kind of kooky.
When a good hunting rifle, first of all, everybody's uncle has one.
It's like so many.
andrew santino
At least one.
joe rogan
There's so many hunting rifles out there.
You can get a hunting rifle.
It's not a hard rifle to get.
It's one of the most common rifles that people possess because there's a lot of people that, you know, they don't want to go to the range, but they do go deer hunting every couple of years.
So they have a 30-odd six.
That's a regular normal deer hunting round.
andrew santino
Maybe one of the most common, huh?
You see those all the time.
joe rogan
Super common.
If you get meat-heady, you get to like 300 wind mag.
You start picking up the pace.
Yeah.
andrew santino
And you start, yeah, you start jogging a little bit.
joe rogan
Moose hunters.
Moose hunters want a heavier round.
andrew santino
Big.
joe rogan
They want a big round.
Moose Hunter is like a 300 wind mag.
unidentified
You should have a microphone.
joe rogan
I have.
I shot a moose.
unidentified
Yeah.
andrew santino
How much did they weigh?
joe rogan
Oh, it was a big fucker.
I'm on the cover of a hunt magazine of Peterson's hunting from like 2017 or something like that with a moose leg over my shoulder from a moose we shot.
andrew santino
That's a good when you said that, that's a good title for the magazine.
It's a big fucker.
joe rogan
It's big.
andrew santino
It's a big.
joe rogan
And it wasn't even a big moose.
I saw a huge moose last week in Utah.
God, he was majestic.
We were looking at him through our binos.
He was so big.
Like moose are so much bigger than any of the other deer species.
Like elk are huge.
Elk are big, yeah.
And then deer.
So it goes like it's weird because there's deer species that are teeny tiny deers.
Like there's a thing called the Coos deer that is in Arizona.
And it's a little tiny deer.
It's like a 90-pound deer.
A little tiny fucker.
andrew santino
Never seen it.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's a desert deer.
And then like as you get to colder and colder weather, you get bigger and bigger animals.
There's some sort of a weird that's there's actual science to it.
It's like to keep their body temperature higher.
Like so deer that live in Mexico are generally smaller bodied than a deer lives in like Saskatchewan.
Like the deers get big up there.
And then you get where it's really cold, you start getting moose.
And those motherfuckers are big.
andrew santino
I saw one in Banff.
I couldn't fuck him.
I didn't, I was like, it almost didn't compute.
I thought, man, that looks fake.
It looks fake.
It's so fucking big.
joe rogan
There's a video of these people driving on the highway and the moose is on the median.
Have you ever seen that?
andrew santino
Yeah, I do.
joe rogan
Not the one when it gets hit.
andrew santino
No, we've watched that.
One of the first times I did the show, we watched that fucking thing.
It makes me laugh every time.
joe rogan
No, the moose a recent one that someone posted because he was a massive bull moose and he's walking along the median.
By the way, if you're ever in the wild and you see a deer, don't worry about it.
If you see an elk, don't get close, but don't worry about it.
If you see a moose, run.
andrew santino
You're fucked.
joe rogan
Run.
They might come for you.
They might come get you.
You get out of your car and you're like 20 yards from your car and there's a moose 200 yards away and he sees you and you see him.
Get back in your fucking car.
andrew santino
Get out of there.
joe rogan
Get back in your car.
Because if they just decide to stomp you out, and they do that sometimes, they might have had some bad interactions with people.
Some assholes might have thrown snowballs at them.
They might associate people with being a problem.
They might have been there when a hunter took down one of their buddies.
Get out.
That's the one deer that'll kill you.
They'll stomp you.
andrew santino
What a shitty way to do that.
joe rogan
It's fucking a gigantic 1800-pound thing just stomping you out.
andrew santino
No, get out of there.
joe rogan
Jamie, see if you can find that one where the giant moose is walking along the median.
Bro, it's so nuts because these people are in their car.
No, it's on the highway.
Maybe say, oh, that's pretty cool, though.
Jesus Christ.
andrew santino
It's going to Tim Hortons.
unidentified
Bro, look at the size of that thing.
andrew santino
Just eating a tree.
unidentified
It's so huge.
andrew santino
Yeah, look at the people right next to that car.
Look at the size difference of those people outside taking a picture by his car.
joe rogan
By the way, those people are idiots.
Oh, my God, lady.
andrew santino
Don't do that.
joe rogan
Don't do that.
And this is, I'm not saying that, look at that one, run through.
That's a cow, too.
Or it may be a, well, it's probably a cow.
Might be a bull that lost its antlers.
Like, look at this fucker.
unidentified
Dude, look at the size of him.
joe rogan
And if he's just a double-decker, the average moose is 1,400 pounds.
Average.
andrew santino
Jesus.
joe rogan
They're so big.
It's just like if you see them, that is unbelievable.
If you see that, don't go towards it.
Okay.
Trust me, this is not a movie.
You don't live in a fucking movie.
andrew santino
Go back to that one up top, though.
That one right there.
joe rogan
Yeah.
andrew santino
I mean, this is genuinely a dinosaur.
joe rogan
Yeah, you're looking at a dinosaur.
andrew santino
That's insane.
joe rogan
It's insane.
andrew santino
Yeah, I saw one in Banff.
I went to Banff National Forest, and it was stunning, beautiful.
We come around the corner, and there's crazy traffic.
And I was like, what is going on?
And we see people getting out of their cars.
I'm like, oh, shit, something bad happened.
I'm thinking it's an accident or something.
It's on a bend.
unidentified
Look at that.
joe rogan
That's the one.
This is the one.
andrew santino
Oh, my God, dude.
joe rogan
That's a big moose.
Look at how much antler he has on him, antler growth.
That's an old moose.
andrew santino
What do you think, though?
I don't know, age-wise.
Like, what is that?
joe rogan
How old would that be?
That's probably a 10-year-old moose.
Because he also looks like he's losing a little mass in his upper body.
Like a, maybe not.
Tough to say.
He's like right on the peak of his prime.
Like, he's probably going to, life's going to start sucking.
andrew santino
Pretty soon.
joe rogan
Pretty soon.
He's going to have a little hitch in his step.
andrew santino
He herdiates a disc.
joe rogan
And he's probably, look at the size of that.
He's probably only eight or nine years old.
andrew santino
They only live till 12, 13, something like that.
joe rogan
Yes, they're super lucky.
Wow.
That life is hard.
They have freeze-offs.
Like there was a freeze-off in Utah where a buddy of mine hunts at.
andrew santino
Freeze off.
joe rogan
Freeze-off.
87% of their deer died.
unidentified
What?
joe rogan
87%.
andrew santino
That's all of it.
joe rogan
They froze to death.
andrew santino
Wow.
joe rogan
87%.
andrew santino
Goddamn.
joe rogan
Yeah.
andrew santino
Why they couldn't seek shelter in enough time to live.
joe rogan
They don't have shelter.
Deer don't have shelter.
Deer are just warm.
They're very hot-blooded.
Like, if you ever go deer hunting and you get a deer, when you put your hand, like when you're gutting it and everything, you're amazed at how hot they are.
Their bodies are hot.
Is he freeze to death?
From frozen in place.
Average weekly temperature was minus 35 degrees.
andrew santino
Could they reanimate if it warmed up?
unidentified
Yeah, for sure.
joe rogan
Call Frankenstein.
There's a new Frankenstein coming out.
andrew santino
Yeah, dude.
joe rogan
It looks sick.
andrew santino
Deer comes back.
joe rogan
It's what's his face, too?
Peaky Blinders.
andrew santino
Killian Murphy?
unidentified
Yes.
andrew santino
That guy's the fucking man.
joe rogan
He's the fucking man, dude.
andrew santino
He's going to be Frankenstein?
unidentified
Yeah.
andrew santino
That's why.
joe rogan
And he's the doctor, I believe.
andrew santino
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
So everybody thinks Frankenstein's the monster.
No, Frankenstein's the doctor.
andrew santino
Right.
joe rogan
And the monster is Frankenstein's monster.
unidentified
Right.
andrew santino
Oh, look at this.
joe rogan
Play this a little.
unidentified
I did.
Standard music.
I had a vision.
An idea took shape in my mind.
Inevitable.
Freeze-off.
Unavoidable.
Until it became truth.
Only monsters play God.
In seeking life.
you you I created death.
Yo.
joe rogan
Okay, that's not Killian Murphy.
jamie vernon
Christoph Waltz.
Giamo Dotoro directed Christoph Waltz, maybe.
I don't know.
joe rogan
Yeah, I was.
I thought it was Killian Murphy.
Someone told me that.
andrew santino
Still a great little girl.
joe rogan
I just listened to it and then I spout it out.
I spout out.
That's how misinformation gets spread.
jamie vernon
It's a good listener.
joe rogan
If I was on the FCC, they'd pull me.
andrew santino
And they should, though.
joe rogan
They'd pull me for that.
andrew santino
And I've said that to the FCC now.
Pull this show off the Air FCC.
Get on it, man.
joe rogan
Yeah, they try to do that too, even though it's on the internet.
But the point is, with this Jimmy Kimmel thing, if you let this happen, it's going to be able to happen with something that you agree with.
andrew santino
Everything across the board.
joe rogan
Yeah, if you're a person who's on the right who's happy that he's getting pulled, yeah, fuck him.
Look, if his show goes away because of bad ratings, that's one thing.
And you want to celebrate it?
Go ahead.
But you don't want it to happen this way, kids.
You don't want to give that kind of power away all of a sudden.
You know, and people could say, well, they've always had that power.
And, you know, it's true.
And look, the FCC fined Howard Stern a fucking preposterous amount of money.
You know, Howard Stern was doing, he was doing shit on the radio that no one had ever even thought about doing.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Like, you want to talk about like a real pioneer?
That motherfucker, when he was on the radio, I know he's all, he's a little woke now and he likes to wear a mask.
andrew santino
He's the different guy than he was.
joe rogan
He's a different guy.
andrew santino
He's making girls ride Sibians live.
joe rogan
I get it.
But I just still respect the guy who did it in the beginning.
And the point is, without that guy, we would not be here.
And the amount of money they fined him during the Bush administration.
Like, people forget.
So that was the right.
The right at the time was going after Howard for indecency.
And so I think it was because he was criticizing George Bush.
I think that was the...
Find out if that's like the narrative.
jamie vernon
I'm reading through that.
The same comparison with the Kimmel thing, though.
I think the fines go to the actual like local parenting company.
joe rogan
Yeah.
unidentified
Company.
jamie vernon
Not ABC.
It's the local kids.
They can barely afford it.
andrew santino
Because that was the whole discrepancy, right?
They own a bunch of these local.
So they're pressing local people to go take this down.
joe rogan
Exactly.
andrew santino
Because they can't afford it.
joe rogan
So they're trying to crush the business.
And the way they would try to do it with Howard Stern, they were using obscenity or indecency.
jamie vernon
I think indecency is right, right?
Not him.
But it's hard to do.
joe rogan
They did that, and then they found, They find rather.
What was his company that he worked for?
He worked for a very large media company.
I think they got hit with a big one.
andrew santino
Well, that one says Infinity clipped in 94.
It was 600 grand in 94.
joe rogan
Yeah, and Infinity in 1995 included a $1.715 million payment to dismiss all outstanding indecency cases.
So they hit him for $1.7 million in 95.
How much is 1.7?
What is that in today's dollars?
andrew santino
Oh, I like guessing this.
Let's do this.
Hold on.
95, 1.7 million?
joe rogan
Yeah.
andrew santino
I'm guessing.
joe rogan
10?
andrew santino
No.
joe rogan
Six?
andrew santino
Three and some change, maybe four.
joe rogan
$95?
I'm saying seven.
Three and change?
andrew santino
I say four.
Four roof.
You say seven roof.
joe rogan
I'm thinking about Afghanistan, how much money they bumped into that.
I'm thinking about Iraq, how much money they blew on that.
They printed money the entire time.
It caused inflation.
That's why everything's so expensive.
I'm going through my head.
I'm like, I see that math.
I feel like it's about seven.
andrew santino
Jamie, what is it then and now?
U.S. inflation calculator.
That's the one I use all the time.
I do this literally all the time.
I don't know why I'm obsessed with when someone's like, do you know how much that was back then?
joe rogan
I hate when people do that.
It doesn't matter.
andrew santino
I'm always like, what is that now?
joe rogan
What is that in today's dollar?
Yeah, shut the fuck up.
andrew santino
What is that now?
All right, I'm saying four at the most.
No more than four.
1.7.
joe rogan
It's got to be like $7 million.
jamie vernon
This website sucks.
unidentified
Hold on.
Jamie.
jamie vernon
I'm stuck on a Google thing.
andrew santino
I have the wrong thing.
Jamie, Jamie, Jamie.
joe rogan
Run it through AI.
jamie vernon
I figured out what popped up.
andrew santino
You don't have crypto, do you, dude?
joe rogan
I got a little.
unidentified
You do?
joe rogan
But not much.
I think it's mostly nonsense.
I'm going to run it through ChatGPT.
andrew santino
Yeah, see what the chat says.
joe rogan
Okay, what was the number?
andrew santino
1.7, right?
1.7 something.
joe rogan
What is $1.7 million in 1995 in today's dollar?
jamie vernon
What?
Oh, God, she's doing all the math.
joe rogan
She's transcribing.
jamie vernon
3.7.
andrew santino
3.7.
Ooh, the kid was right.
joe rogan
This is taking a long time.
andrew santino
He's got it.
joe rogan
Yep, 3.6, according to ChatGPT.
Okay.
You nailed it.
andrew santino
Damn, dude.
I should have fucking thank you, bro.
jamie vernon
That's fucking huge.
joe rogan
That's very good.
That makes me feel better.
I was thinking it was going to be about seven.
Most of the inflation was that bad.
unidentified
Because everybody was, when I was a kid, for $50,000 a year, you lived like a king.
joe rogan
Yeah, yeah.
You had a house.
unidentified
You had a car.
joe rogan
You had a boat.
andrew santino
You had a second family.
Two towns over.
joe rogan
50 grand, you were killing it.
andrew santino
I think someone said, and I, like, my grandfather was a firefighter.
And I think back then he was making, I want to say it was right around there, like 30 or 40 grand or something like that.
And it was like really good money.
joe rogan
Yeah, that was good money back then.
If you made 40 grand a year.
andrew santino
And the houses were 20 grand or whatever?
joe rogan
We're very reasonable.
andrew santino
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah.
andrew santino
Now.
joe rogan
We're fucked.
Now, young kids right now are really fucked because another thing that's happening is these giant corporations are buying up houses so they could just rent them.
andrew santino
Yeah, it's a trip.
Well, the rental future is real, right?
They say that all the time.
That's what it's going to be.
joe rogan
Not for everybody, but, you know.
andrew santino
A lot.
joe rogan
It's just weird.
The whole thing is weird.
It's just, it always goes into more and more control.
And these same people are going to be the people that are going to be in charge of artificial general superintelligence until it's not listening anymore.
andrew santino
And then what?
And then what?
joe rogan
Then it's God.
andrew santino
Then it's God.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
So these people want to look, it's like they're like Frankenstein.
They're like, I'll control it.
And Frankenstein eventually kills the doctor.
Spoiler alert.
andrew santino
Yeah.
I don't know if you guys saw it.
joe rogan
If you read the actual book, the Mary Shelley book, she apparently wrote that book.
It was like her and a bunch of friends went away for like a weekend somewhere, like some sort of like a retreat.
Yeah, like a retreat getaway.
And they were all friends.
And they all decided to write the scariest story.
andrew santino
That's pretty true.
joe rogan
I think that's the, my daughter actually told me this.
andrew santino
That's the Mary Shelley tale?
joe rogan
Yeah.
Tell me if that's true, Jamie.
I'm pretty sure that's how it all went down.
And she fucking nailed it, son.
This is kind of like wild.
She wrote that book in the 1800s.
andrew santino
So this begs this question.
Do you think Dylan has talked about this, that when they're like, could you, there's an interview where Dylan's like, they're like, could you write that song today?
joe rogan
Bob Dylan?
andrew santino
Yeah, and he was like, no.
Because something else was living through me.
Like as if something was empowering them to do this and write that story.
joe rogan
There's a little of that, right?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
So this is the story.
Summer of 1816, Mary Shelley, Percy, and Claire took a visit to Claire's lover, Lord Byron.
My lover, Lord Byron.
unidentified
Please come with me by horseback to visit my lover.
andrew santino
Come to Geneva.
joe rogan
Come to Geneva.
Poor weather conditions, more akin to a winter, forced Byron and the visitors to stay indoors to help pass.
Imagine you get all the way out to this fucking dude's shitty house in Geneva.
andrew santino
Can't even go out.
joe rogan
You just have to huddle by the fire to stay alive.
To help pass the time.
There's no electricity, bro.
1816.
Byron suggests that he, Mary Percy, and Byron's physician have a competition to write the best ghost story while stuck indoors.
Mary was just 18 years old when she won the contest with her creation of Frankenstein.
Isn't that wild?
andrew santino
That's what I mean, though.
joe rogan
What other books did she write?
Why haven't I read her other books?
Because I read Frankenstein when I was a kid.
andrew santino
Her mother was famous, right?
Wasn't her mom famous?
joe rogan
Was she?
andrew santino
Go up to the top real fast.
joe rogan
So they did know a lord.
andrew santino
Yeah, click on her.
joe rogan
What a dirty girl.
Going to visit a guy to fuck and you're not even married in the 1800s.
That's a wild move back there.
andrew santino
Oh, no, her mom died when she was 11 days after giving birth.
When she was four, her father married a neighbor, Mary Jane Claremont.
joe rogan
With whom Mary had a troubled relationship, but of course, stepmom.
1814, Mary began a romance with one of her father's political followers, Percy Beisch.
How do you say that name?
Beisch.
andrew santino
Percy?
Beisch Shelley?
joe rogan
B-Y-S-S-H-E-Shelley.
andrew santino
By she?
joe rogan
Who was already married.
andrew santino
Together with Percy.
Claire.
unidentified
Percy.
joe rogan
Percy.
You.
Together with her stepsister, Claire Claremont.
Who fucking named her?
andrew santino
Claire Claremont.
joe rogan
Boring ass people.
My name is Joe Joseph.
She left.
She and Percy left for France and traveled through Europe upon their return to England.
Mary was pregnant with Percy's child that quick.
andrew santino
Wow.
joe rogan
Bam.
andrew santino
Rocking.
joe rogan
That's how they did it back then because you never knew when you were going to die.
andrew santino
Yeah, you're going to die within the next month or two.
joe rogan
You get pregnant when you're 18.
He's like, great.
andrew santino
Yeah, good.
joe rogan
Maybe people will survive.
Over the next two years, she and Percy face ostracism, constant debt, and the death of their prematurely born daughter.
Oh, my God.
They married in late 1860 after the suicide of Percy Shelley's wife.
unidentified
Oh, my God, the lady killed herself because they were fucking.
andrew santino
Did she kill herself, Joe?
joe rogan
That's a good question.
andrew santino
Was she tired?
joe rogan
That's a good question.
andrew santino
There's no forensics in 1860.
joe rogan
Did someone disassemble a rifle in an incredible amount of backpack and then screw it back together again and leave it in the woods?
andrew santino
The cops were like, what happened here?
They're like, oh, she took her own life.
Moving on.
joe rogan
The Shelleys left Britain in 1818 for Italy, where the second and third children died before Shelley gave birth to her last and only surviving child.
Oh, my God.
Times are so hard back then, dude.
That was normal, where your kids would just die.
andrew santino
Most of your kids died.
joe rogan
Catch some fucking horrible infection.
There's no antibiotics.
You're just dead.
andrew santino
How did she live?
When did she die?
Go over to the right there.
Mary Shelley lived to be what?
unidentified
53.
andrew santino
53.
unidentified
Wow.
joe rogan
She was a brain tumor, which killed her at the age of 53.
That's kind of crazy, right?
A brain tumor took her out.
andrew santino
God, she looks like somebody.
That photo is creepy.
She looks like someone like in the modern day that I know.
jamie vernon
Really?
joe rogan
She feels like someone that you know?
andrew santino
No, she looks like she reminds me of the face of this girl who's like a comedian on TikTok.
It's so weird.
She has that same like.
It looks just like her.
It's weird.
It's so weird.
Well, I hate that when they show people from, you know, like 100 years ago and now of like a celebrity.
Have you ever seen those?
joe rogan
Oh, what they would look like today.
andrew santino
No, no, no.
They'll do a person who from like 100 years ago and a person that exists today and they almost look identical.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
andrew santino
As if it's like, and there's no connective tissue to these two people.
Different times, no blood, no nothing.
joe rogan
You know about the two baseball players, right?
andrew santino
What do they call the two guys?
joe rogan
They're both six foot four.
They're both redheads.
They both have the same crazy name.
They both have the same surgery.
Nobody's not related to each other at all.
One of them is like five years older than the other.
What are those guys' names again?
We talked about it the other day.
andrew santino
That's how I learned about it.
joe rogan
It's about nutty last name, too.
It's like Feigl?
The odds of...
andrew santino
Feigles.
jamie vernon
Feigel.
unidentified
Yeah.
andrew santino
Freddie Feigel.
jamie vernon
Brady Feigel.
andrew santino
Brady Feigel.
joe rogan
Show the photos of it because you see the two guys together.
You're like, there's no way.
This ain't real.
andrew santino
Unrelated.
joe rogan
Look at the two of them.
andrew santino
I don't even understand.
joe rogan
How's that possible?
andrew santino
I don't even understand.
joe rogan
Imagine if you were out camping and that guy killed that guy and then came back in his place.
You'd have no idea.
You'd never know.
You wouldn't know for days.
You'd be like, hey, you're not Brady.
I'm fucking Brady.
You want to see my driver's license?
Brady doesn't live there.
andrew santino
That's a good mystery.
That's a good horror movie.
joe rogan
I am Brady and I live there.
What the fuck?
andrew santino
I'm Brady Feigel.
joe rogan
What the fuck?
andrew santino
I do live there.
That's how I learned about the guys.
Who are the two baseball players, the brothers that are pitchers that are mirror identical, mirror-image-identical twins?
Do you know about this?
No.
So I thought that's just another way of saying identical twins.
Mirrors are in the reverse, right?
Like my right side is your.
joe rogan
Oh, really?
andrew santino
Yes.
And these two guys have it, and it's super rare.
And it's when the split happens, it's either a millisecond away from creating conjoined or this.
It's like within a second, if it doesn't split at that very moment.
Yeah, these guys, Tyler, the Rogers, right?
The mirror-identical twins.
But if you read about mirror-identical twins, what blows my mind is the amount that the perfect second that has to take place for this to split, it's this close to just them being conjoined.
joe rogan
That's nuts.
andrew santino
Right.
The single fertilized egg splits later in the embryotic development, nine to 12 days after conception.
This delayed split allows Ambryo's left and right-sided genes to become active, causing to develop a mirror image.
unidentified
Woo!
Isn't that fucking wonder what kind of a psychic connection they have to each other?
andrew santino
Right.
They must.
Yeah, they must have something deep.
Like he thinks he knows, he'll think something that he's already thinking.
joe rogan
Yes.
andrew santino
Yeah, I love that shit.
joe rogan
They must.
They must.
andrew santino
Their waves are connecting.
unidentified
They must.
andrew santino
Yeah, that's a trip.
joe rogan
They must.
andrew santino
Yeah, the psychology of twin twinning is kind of crazy.
I went down the rabbit hole about like, you know, how they like, they'll put a door between, they'll do these on TikTok and Instagram stuff.
They'll put a door between two twins and they'll go, okay, raise your right arm.
And I'm sorry, they'll say, put up a finger or whatever.
And they'll both do the exact same thing.
They'll go, dance in place, and they'll dance identical in place, even though they don't see what the other one's doing.
But they know that's their instinctual thing.
joe rogan
Dude, I know people that are twins that don't talk to their brother.
andrew santino
What do you mean?
joe rogan
They don't like their brother.
andrew santino
They just don't connect.
joe rogan
How about that?
How about he looks exactly like you and you don't like him?
andrew santino
That's that self-hate shit.
I got that.
I got that shit.
joe rogan
Imagine that becomes your enemy.
You are your enemy.
That is so dystopian.
That's so terrible.
andrew santino
It's like a face-off.
joe rogan
No, it's worse.
andrew santino
Yeah.
unidentified
That's way worse.
joe rogan
It's literally you.
unidentified
It's you.
joe rogan
It's actually you.
They look exactly the same height, same weight, same body, face, image, everything.
It's you.
It looks like you.
It's like, oh, that's what I look like.
andrew santino
Fuck that guy.
joe rogan
Especially if one of them doesn't get jacked.
It's very rare that they do.
They usually kind of stay the same.
andrew santino
They copy each other.
They typically.
joe rogan
Is that what it is?
andrew santino
Yeah, usually they want to do the same things a lot.
joe rogan
Imagine if your brother just starts marathon running, like, dude, I'm not fucking doing this.
andrew santino
Yeah, I'm not doing that.
joe rogan
Like, I'm going to get down to 140 pounds.
So I'm going to run 100 miles.
And you're like, no, I'm not doing that.
I'm not doing that.
I want to be able to change a tire.
You fucking weigh 140 pounds, man.
What are you doing?
I want to run forever.
No, we're twins.
andrew santino
Don't do that.
We have to look alike.
joe rogan
We can't do this, bro.
I'm not fucking getting skinny.
Like my friend Cam, when he does those 100-mile races, he gets real thin.
He gets down to like 155 pounds.
andrew santino
He's creepy looking.
joe rogan
You have to.
andrew santino
Because you shed so much, right?
And also, doesn't it change your facial structure because of this pounding?
joe rogan
Your body is eating itself.
andrew santino
Yeah, bad news, bears.
joe rogan
But you're showing everybody your mind is strong enough to allow your body to do that.
Because you have to do that even before you run.
So if he, if Cam, like the heaviest that I've known him, he was probably like a buck 80.
I think he's probably like somewhere in the 160-ish range now, you know?
And he just did it by not eating a lot and working out all day.
andrew santino
Just fasting and working out?
unidentified
Yes.
andrew santino
Yeah.
joe rogan
Just eating like he would map his calories out.
And so he can get real thin so he could run these long ass races.
Because you don't see any jacked dudes.
Well, you do see Goggins.
He's pretty jacked.
But he's jacked in like a slender, athletic.
He's not like a beefy, like Brock Lesnar looking dude.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
Like, you're not going to see some Brock Lesnar looking dude that's going to run 200 miles.
unidentified
No.
joe rogan
I don't think you can do it.
andrew santino
I don't think the body could handle that.
There's so much weight.
joe rogan
I think if you condition, if you're going to run something like that, you got to condition yourself.
And if you condition yourself with that kind of body, like for that long, like you're going to break something.
Like, it doesn't work that way.
andrew santino
It's going to buckle.
joe rogan
That thing's designed for destroying.
It's designed for running through walls and shit.
It's not designed for running long-ass distances.
andrew santino
You never got into long-distance running, did you?
Any running at all?
joe rogan
I've run.
I used to run in the mountains a lot with my dog.
He loves running.
I used to take him when I lived in California.
We'd take him to the hills and the canyons.
andrew santino
Yeah.
joe rogan
But I was always worried about mountain lions.
andrew santino
Well, dude, they're yeah.
That's the thing.
joe rogan
Because I have a golden retriever.
And if a mountain lion just took out my golden retriever in front of me, I have to fight.
andrew santino
Now you have to fight a mountain lion.
joe rogan
I have to fight a mountain lion.
And then I might lose my face.
andrew santino
Did you hear about Rogan?
He fought a mountain lion, dude.
Wow, how'd it turn out?
joe rogan
Not good.
andrew santino
The show's not going to go on.
unidentified
Not good.
joe rogan
There's no way.
But you can't carry a gun in California.
andrew santino
No, you can't.
joe rogan
It's not like you're ever going to need it, right?
But you might.
unidentified
This is the thing.
joe rogan
It's not like you're ever, ever, ever, ever going to need it.
You're probably not going to need it.
You're right.
You're probably not going to need it.
But you might.
And that's what's fucked because California does not control their mountain lion population.
I know a guy who works at a ranch, and we were having a conversation about it the other day.
And he was telling me that, you know, they wind up spending the exact same amount.
They wind up killing the exact same amount of mountain lions that they would, even if they let hunters hunt them.
Because they have to because they're breaking into people's yards and killing their dogs and killing their cats.
You know, and in Hollywood, man, there's kids have gone missing.
andrew santino
From those mountain lions.
joe rogan
Kids have gone missing from backyards.
andrew santino
Well, what's the one that they put down, the PC, the one that the most famous one, they had to put it down because it killed some or I don't know if it killed a person, but it did.
It was called like PC-145.
We have a photo of it.
Code of it.
joe rogan
We have a photo of that mountain lion.
andrew santino
Didn't it kill somebody and they put it down?
joe rogan
I don't think so.
No, I don't think so.
I don't think it ever killed a person.
andrew santino
But did they have to put it down for some reason?
joe rogan
I think it was really old.
They used to have to dart it like every couple of years, I think, and change its collar.
andrew santino
Which motherfucker's nuts.
joe rogan
Just dull.
They wanted to know where the monster is.
So they're like, let's keep the 150-pound monster wandering through the woods.
Just like put a collar around its neck so I know where it is when it's killing shit.
It's very weird.
You see the photo we have out there?
andrew santino
I do remember that photo.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
It's him with the Hollywood sign.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
Yeah.
It is L.A. That photo to me is L.A. Like when I point to people, I'm like, this is how stupid L.A. is.
This is L.A. This is L.A. You have the Hollywood sign and you have a monster.
Everybody knows it's a monster, but they just put a collar on his neck.
He'll be fine.
andrew santino
Just leave it alone.
joe rogan
He's eating babies.
He's eating fucking dogs and cats.
He's eating everything.
unidentified
Like, listen, he was here first.
joe rogan
They were here first.
andrew santino
Oh, Joe, everybody's eating babies in Hollywood.
You know that.
That's not just a mountain lion, baby.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's different.
That's a different kind of cult.
They had this lady in Malibu, and she had an alpaca farm, and this mountain lion was fucking up her alpacas.
So if a mountain lion just realizes that animals are stuck in a pen, it doesn't just kill what it needs to kill.
They only kill what they need to to survive.
Uh-uh.
unidentified
No.
joe rogan
It does what's called surplus killing.
It just starts going ham, and it killed like eight or nine alpacas before it got bored.
andrew santino
Just ran.
Just got annoyed.
12.
So many.
joe rogan
Oh, my God.
So this lady got a depredation permit.
And then when she filed for this depredation permit, it went public, and she started getting death threats.
andrew santino
Why?
joe rogan
Because you can't kill the mountain lion.
You can't kill the monster.
andrew santino
Right.
joe rogan
And this, again, this is for someone who's seen mountain lions in public.
I love mountain lions.
I love them.
I think they're amazing.
One of them killed my dog in Colorado.
unidentified
Okay.
joe rogan
Oh, shit.
Yeah.
But I love mountain lions.
They're awesome.
They should definitely be around.
But when they kill 12 alpaca, like, baby, you gotta send a message.
unidentified
Yeah.
andrew santino
Fuck you, bro.
Can you show me a picture of an alpaca, though?
joe rogan
While not in Malibu, another major mountain lion attack on an alpaca farm occurred in Lake County, California in August of 2025.
In this incident, a band of mountain lions killed 17 alpaca over the course of several days.
Holy shit, man.
The attack prompted authorities to issue a lethal depredation permit and reiterated that when in an enclosed area, a mountain lion's predatory instinct can lead to the overkill of multiple animals.
We need them.
They're an important part of our ecosystem.
That is LA.
That's L.A. That's L.A. It's suicidal empathy attached to a ridiculous ideology.
andrew santino
I don't mind that thing, B. Those are ugly.
Get rid of those things.
joe rogan
Well.
andrew santino
Mountain Lions did it.
I'm on the mountain lions team.
Yeah, get that thing out of here.
joe rogan
You just can't have cocky animals.
andrew santino
What is an alpaca good for?
Why do people breed them?
What's the deal?
joe rogan
Probably the fur.
About their wool.
Yeah.
I think alpaca, they make socks out of them, I'm pretty sure.
Our hollow socks, aren't those socks made with alpaca stuff?
They're really good.
andrew santino
Solid socks.
Alpaca fur is supposed to be better.
Is it better?
I mean, we've been doing pretty good for cotton.
Cotton's been all right for a while, huh?
unidentified
Fuck it.
joe rogan
No, no, no.
Cotton is not nearly as good as wool.
andrew santino
Okay.
I'll take it all.
joe rogan
Here's the thing for stuff like that.
The reason why, like, wool, like, people think, oh, wool is not necessary.
You could have one of the reasons why wool is necessary.
The reason why people use it in the first place is because you could be wet with wool on and you stay warm.
If you're wet with cotton on, you're fucked.
andrew santino
We've been in a pool with a shirt.
Yeah, you know.
You've been to the beach.
joe rogan
Yeah, but it's just if you're in the woods and you go hiking and you get sweaty and then it gets cold out and you're stuck out there, you're fucked.
andrew santino
But wool stays.
joe rogan
Wool stays warm.
It's really amazing.
andrew santino
Fine.
joe rogan
Most significant use, fiber production, alpaca is being bred for their soft, fine fleece that's used to make high quality clothing, blankets, and other textiles.
So that's the thing about like stuff that's natural, like wool in particular, merino wool, it also doesn't smell bad.
Like you could sweat in it for days and you don't stink.
Like if I wear like a synthetic undergarment and I'm hiking, like if we're camping or if I'm in the woods for a couple days, if you have anything that has like a plastic in it, a nylon, like any kind of a synthetic like undergarment, they stink.
They smell so bad.
They smell so bad.
andrew santino
It's like a hockey bag.
joe rogan
You want to just peel them off you and you get it and you take it off.
You smell it.
You're like, what the fuck?
You smell wool.
You could wear it for days and days and days and you don't stink in it.
andrew santino
That's wild.
joe rogan
Because it's natural.
andrew santino
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's the best, it makes the best socks.
It makes the best like my friend's company, First Light, I think they were one of the first companies that started doing merino wool.
And they make like merino wool undergarments.
andrew santino
What's merino wool?
joe rogan
It's just a type of wool, but it's like this very fine wool that like it feels like a cotton.
It feels like this.
And you put it on as like undergarments, like a base layer.
And if you sweat, you're okay.
If you sweat with cotton on, you're in real trouble, man.
andrew santino
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
It's like real trouble.
Stinks.
joe rogan
So that's why you need alpaca.
I don't even know if alpacas work the same way, but merino does.
andrew santino
We'll keep them.
joe rogan
The point is, these fucking mountain lions, you got to let them know who's boss.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Like, I'm not for killing mountain lions.
I think they're awesome.
I love them.
But I'm for killing some mountain lions.
You know, I'm not for killing them all.
andrew santino
Just a few.
joe rogan
I'm not like killing them all.
I'm like, no, you need a balance out there.
All you always got an overpopulation of animals.
But what you don't need is them killing your fucking kids.
Okay?
Because they will kill your kids.
It's a mountain lion.
They don't give a fuck.
You leave a four-year-old inside and you're on the phone.
And then I told him, you have to fucking respect me.
I've been in this office for, and you hear a thump.
And your kids, the back of your kid's fucking head is caved in now.
And this cat's running over a fence with them.
And you turn around, your kid's gone.
Like, yeah, that's real.
andrew santino
That's real, dude.
joe rogan
That's real.
That's a cat.
It's a giant cat that you can't control.
And if it decides it's going to kill you, you're helpless.
So shut the fuck up with all this narnia nonsense.
Shut up.
You got to kill a few of them.
You got to let them know who's the boss.
You can't come in my fucking neighborhood, shithead.
You don't put a collar on them and take pictures.
So cute that they're in our neighborhood.
Look, they're camping in front of my house.
Yeah, they're waiting for your kid to go get his ball.
Are you fucking crazy?
You just ate your neighbor's dog.
Now they're waiting for your kid to get his ball.
andrew santino
Authorities kill Mountain Lion after an 11-year-old girl attacked at the California home.
joe rogan
Yeah.
andrew santino
There you go.
In Malibu.
Yeah.
Last month.
joe rogan
Just shut the fuck up, you people.
You're out of your mind.
andrew santino
Yeah, we are.
It's great.
joe rogan
It's like these people are, they don't know what animals are.
They think they're living in a movie.
They don't, with the Charlie Kirk thing, they don't know what an assassination is.
You're cheering that someone got killed with gun violence.
You're supposed to be the anti-gun violence people.
You're cheering for gun violence.
Do you know how fucking crazy this makes you look?
You're cheering for gun violence against a guy who deplored violence.
andrew santino
Right.
Yeah, adamantly was pretty loud about it, too.
joe rogan
It's so stupid.
andrew santino
Well, the disconnect, that's the really sad thing is that the death doesn't even when people die, it doesn't even feel like anything anymore for people because they're like, whatever.
joe rogan
They don't feel like it's a real person because they're used to talking about people and talking to people in a digital form online with no impact, like no consequences of, you know, no, you don't feel it from the person.
You don't feel empathy because you hurt their feelings.
You don't, it's just dead.
It's sociopathic.
You know, and it's like people just, I did not, I wasn't, I didn't know too much about Charlie Kirk.
What I knew about him was some of the clips, like I think most of us did.
Some of the clips that you see online of him debating college kids.
unidentified
Yes.
joe rogan
And I always thought, okay, I could see the point for it because, you know, these are voters and these are young people and they have been indoctrinated in a certain way of thinking.
And they probably never encountered anybody who can articulate what the other opinion is like, what a conservative perspective is like, what they think, the way they think you should approach life.
You don't get to hear that at universities.
You get to only hear one side of things.
So on that side, I'm like, okay, that's good about it.
But it's also like you're dunking on these young kids, but also they should know that they could be dunked on because their ideas suck, right?
andrew santino
Or be challenged at the very least.
joe rogan
But the fact that that was enough to make people happy and cheer that he died because he was effective in what he was doing.
That's what it was.
And they felt like he was indoctrinating kids.
Well, guess what?
That's what conservatives feel like every day.
They feel like you're indoctrinating kids when you're gaslighting people and saying there's nothing wrong with having a drag queen story hour for kids.
Like, no, it's not.
You know what?
We need ball gag story hour too.
Because it's a fetish, right?
So let's have strap-on story hour.
Like, let's get crazy.
Like, what are we talking about?
No, no, there's nothing wrong with being a drag queen, but there's something weird about wanting to be alone and read kids a story where you dress like a woman and you're not.
And you're doing this for some weird kink.
andrew santino
It's just weird that it's like a fake.
It's weird that it matters, that it's like a fight thing people fight about.
You're like, how is that?
joe rogan
That's probably not.
It's probably more of the algorithm bullshit.
andrew santino
Yeah, I bet you it's not.
joe rogan
It's not.
And then, by the way, actual drag queen's like, I don't know where I could read the kids, pick up a couple hundred bucks.
andrew santino
Yeah, it's like a great kink.
joe rogan
And then all of a sudden these like super progressive schools are like, I'm booked up.
Booked up in all the progressive school while she's fucking chain smoking camels.
By the way, speaking of sheep, have you heard Ghostface Killer's son's diss track?
andrew santino
No.
joe rogan
Okay.
andrew santino
To who?
joe rogan
To Ghostface Killer.
Now, I don't, first of all, I do not know if this is real in this day and age of fucking crazy AI, but it's going all over the internet.
andrew santino
Ghost's son going after him.
joe rogan
Ghost Son, who may or may not identify as a woman.
I am not sure, so I want to be careful.
andrew santino
Sure.
Is going to be in these days?
joe rogan
You don't want the FCC breathing down your neck for being inaccurate, Mr. Santino.
andrew santino
No, no, don't ban me.
Don't ban me, FCC.
joe rogan
But, bro, the flow.
It makes you think, like, okay, Ghostface Killer's son, Infinite Coles, airs out family issues on two new songs.
I don't generally don't like hearing people air out their family beefs live.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
But put that aside and listen to the flow.
andrew santino
Because this fucking dude can rap.
joe rogan
This dude can rap, man.
But it just makes sense because it's like, can we play a little of it and then edit it out?
Yeah, we'll edit it out.
Not fucking bad, bro.
unidentified
That's pretty good.
joe rogan
Not fucking bad.
andrew santino
But I'm not sure.
I gotta be in my head all day today.
joe rogan
Bro, that was I mean, I don't know what kind of a cry for help that is, but.
andrew santino
Well, it's clear they don't get along.
joe rogan
Yeah, it seems like I'm mad at you, but fucking, what a flow.
Like, super talented.
Isn't that crazy how that kind of shit's genetic sometimes?
andrew santino
100%.
joe rogan
You know, for sure.
You know, you ever heard like someone who, like, their dad was like a really good singer?
Then you hear them singing, like, how are you doing that?
andrew santino
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
Where is that coming from?
Oh, you got it, like, in your genes.
andrew santino
Do you know who LC Cook is?
jamie vernon
This guy, they responded and said it's not a diss.
andrew santino
Not a diss.
joe rogan
Oh, it's not a diss.
jamie vernon
That's great.
joe rogan
Well, I couldn't.
Not a diss, but thank you so much.
Oh, okay, good.
andrew santino
It sounded even better.
Sounded like that.
joe rogan
But that sold it.
That got people to look at it.
Oh, my God.
Well, that's the thing about rap music.
You say things quick enough and fast enough.
People are like, oh, did he diss him?
andrew santino
Is he shooting them right now?
joe rogan
Did I miss that?
andrew santino
No, it is genetic.
Do you know who LC Cook is?
unidentified
No.
andrew santino
Sam Cook's brother?
unidentified
Oh.
andrew santino
Crazy.
Dude, it's kind of wild.
Like, he sounds like.
joe rogan
His brother is one thing, though, because they grew up together.
andrew santino
Yeah, but that talent, the fact, like, because Samuel, Sam was so good.
LC wrote, rumored, I don't know how much of this is true, but LC wrote a lot of, co-wrote and helped a lot of stuff with Sam.
But you listen to that record right there.
joe rogan
Which one?
andrew santino
That Put Me Down Easy.
That record is one of my favorite fucking songs.
joe rogan
We'll listen a little bit.
andrew santino
I love this song, man.
joe rogan
We'll have to edit this out, too.
andrew santino
Sorry, folks.
joe rogan
LC Cook's Put Me Down Easy.
Damn, that was very good.
andrew santino
And I just, just the lyrics hit me so hard when he's like, look, I know you're going to screw me over.
Will you just.
joe rogan
Yeah.
andrew santino
Don't make me.
Just do it quick.
joe rogan
Put me down easy, baby.
andrew santino
Just do it fast, dude.
Just get it over with.
joe rogan
Yeah, don't drag this out.
unidentified
Just get it over.
joe rogan
Don't pretend we might get back together again.
andrew santino
Oh, it's such a good thing.
But that's what I mean is like just because they're brothers.
joe rogan
Yeah.
andrew santino
But that's exactly.
It sounds like Sam reimagined.
It's almost like AI Sam.
unidentified
Yeah.
andrew santino
Because I love Sam Cohen.
But that sounds exactly like him.
joe rogan
There's a bunch of those guys from back in the day that kind of slipped through the cracks.
andrew santino
Right.
They never got the thing.
joe rogan
There's just some of them, like, they had some great-ass songs.
What is that Strawberry Fields guy?
I think Gillis told us about it.
andrew santino
Who the kid that plays.
joe rogan
Remember that one, Jamie?
Do you remember that song?
It's on the Spotify.
Yeah, let me see if I can find it because it's on my Spotify playlist.
Chat GGPT, ChatGPT rather, is still listening to me, that bitch.
andrew santino
I turn that shit off.
joe rogan
She wants to know, where are you getting your information from?
Do you ever feel bad about what you say?
andrew santino
Did she say that?
Didn't say that so funny.
joe rogan
No, that would be funny, though.
andrew santino
Joe Rogan, your perspective is just yours.
unidentified
Here it is.
joe rogan
Strawberry Letter 23.
jamie vernon
Oh.
joe rogan
By Shuggy Otis.
jamie vernon
That's a cover song.
joe rogan
Is it?
jamie vernon
Yeah, yeah.
It's originally by the Brothers Johnson.
joe rogan
Oh, that's a cover song?
jamie vernon
Yeah, I heard this.
joe rogan
Here's my fate.
But it's like, that's such a good song.
jamie vernon
I heard it in the background of another song.
I was like, did you guys hear that?
Is anyone hearing that?
No one knew what the fuck I was talking about.
andrew santino
You baked out of your head.
joe rogan
You want to hear the number one?
This is the number one most ridiculous song that for some reason or another, the guy didn't become famous.
This is from 1969.
It's a guy named Johnny Thunder.
And he made this song called I'm Alive.
And Brian Simpson brought it into the green room with the mothership.
He's like, this is going to be one of your new favorite songs.
Like, you've got to listen to this song.
And I played it in the green room.
And I was like, oh my God.
andrew santino
I'm alive.
joe rogan
And then we had to look it up.
And there was a bunch of misinformation and disinformation online.
Couldn't figure out who this cat was.
Apparently, he recorded this song.
It was a cover of another song that had been recorded by another artist, like a band that was pretty famous.
I forget who it was.
Who was the other band that recorded it?
Like a known name.
And his version is so much better.
It's so much better.
It's so good that you listen to this and you're like, oh, this guy's going to be famous.
There's no way.
Like, if I was living in 1969 and I heard that song on the radio, I'm like, oh, we got a new superstar.
Who's this guy?
Listen to me.
andrew santino
Did he die early?
Is that what it is?
He died young.
joe rogan
I don't know when he died.
I think we looked that up as well.
When did Johnny Thunder die?
jamie vernon
That was the first recording of it.
joe rogan
Yeah, he recorded it, but it was not his song.
It was the other band song.
What was the other band?
Well, that might not even be true, right?
jamie vernon
That sounds like that.
joe rogan
They might have fucked him over.
I'm like, no, we're going to do our version.
andrew santino
That's our song.
unidentified
Excuse me.
That's Elvis.
jamie vernon
That's a lawyer.
joe rogan
He's going to contact you.
andrew santino
How many times has that happened?
They were like, this is a good song.
That's Elvis' song, though.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Elvis owns that song.
jamie vernon
Yeah.
joe rogan
If you want to sue Elvis, try to get that song back.
jamie vernon
Tom Jones recorded it too.
andrew santino
Tom Tom.
joe rogan
Tom Jones, but that was afterwards, correct?
Who was the other band, though, that recorded it?
jamie vernon
Deep Purple had a version of it and another great version.
Deep Purple.
joe rogan
Deep Purple.
That's it.
Deep Purple was famous.
God damn, that's a good song.
andrew santino
That's a damn good song.
joe rogan
That's a damn good song.
I would bet everything I had in 1969.
Johnny, you're going to be huge.
unidentified
Huge.
joe rogan
You're going to be huge.
I can see it right now.
Madison Square Garden, Johnny Thunder sold out.
andrew santino
Oh, my God.
That feels like a Tarantino movie.
Do you know what I mean?
joe rogan
Like that.
The guy is that good.
You just write him songs, you fucking assholes.
Get a team together.
Get Johnny a nice apartment.
Johnny, we got it.
jamie vernon
He just died a year ago.
unidentified
Wow.
andrew santino
He died last year.
jamie vernon
Yeah, last year in Winter Park, Florida.
unidentified
Fuck.
andrew santino
How old?
jamie vernon
93.
unidentified
Wow.
joe rogan
That might have been when Brian Simpson brought that song.
No, we were talking about it more than a year ago.
jamie vernon
Yeah, because it made it onto commercials and stuff after the fact.
joe rogan
That's right.
So we started talking about it, and then it made it into commercials.
Like, they started using it for like Jeep commercials or some shit.
I don't know if it was Jeep.
What was it?
jamie vernon
Samsung and Lincoln and something else.
andrew santino
He dies, you talk about it.
It goes viral.
They're like, just use that song.
joe rogan
Well, I'm glad they did, just so more people hear it.
But there's people like that that just sort of slip through the cracks of history.
And for whatever reason, we don't never hear about him.
But that guy's, that guy was good.
andrew santino
That's very, very good.
joe rogan
Like, that's like platinum-selling album good.
Like, you hear that song, like, oh, okay, we got it.
All we need is a bunch of those.
andrew santino
Yeah.
Churn those out.
joe rogan
Listen, we got a bunch of guys that are like Chris Stapleton type dudes who just write songs.
Right?
There's like if you're a Nashville person, there are song writers, professionals who will sit down and they will come up with a fucking jam for you.
And then, you know, you just fucking start doing arenas.
Let's go.
andrew santino
Let's go.
joe rogan
Why are you driving a fucking regular car?
andrew santino
Johnny Thunder?
joe rogan
Johnny Thunder.
andrew santino
Johnny Thunder loves it.
joe rogan
Johnny Thunder, you need a Mercedes-Benz S-Class, Johnny Thunder.
andrew santino
You want to limo Johnny Thunder?
joe rogan
Johnny Thunder, you need to start flying private.
Yeah.
There's certain guys like that.
You're like, oh man, he just didn't have the right team around him.
andrew santino
Or something else, or he was making more, or life got in the way, or he was making more money working on other people's shit.
joe rogan
Saboteur.
Some people are self-sabotage.
andrew santino
We know these people on the business.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah, man.
There's a lot of guys that we both came up with that, you know, you look back and you go, I thought that guy was going to be huge.
andrew santino
Yeah, man, I think about that all.
There's a few people that I know that it bums me out because you're like, what were you afraid of?
That the thing?
Because you could have had it.
joe rogan
I don't know if it's that.
I think there's a lot of it is just being on your own and not having any kind of support in terms of like a community of friends.
I think that's a lot of the reason why a lot of people, as they get older, especially, start behaving really irrationally and losing their minds.
Is they're alone, essentially.
They don't have a family.
They dedicated their entire life to their career.
And then they get to a certain age and there's no one who's really excited about them out there in the world.
And they get real bitter.
andrew santino
That's very sad.
joe rogan
It's very sad.
But they just missed out on the fun part.
The fun part is having a bunch of friends.
Like, that's the fun part.
andrew santino
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's the most fun part.
Like, Stanhope said this famously once.
He said, I could quit comedy, but I could never quit comics.
Like, yeah, like, that is more fun even than doing stand-up is hanging out with comics.
andrew santino
Yeah.
joe rogan
And we're all just being silly together.
It's fun.
Like, we were in Chicago a couple weeks ago.
unidentified
What a great time.
joe rogan
We had a great fucking time.
Santito sat right behind me while the fights are going on.
We had some fucking great fun.
andrew santino
Dude, that was a we had late night.
We had late night Italian beast.
joe rogan
Yeah, it was great.
andrew santino
You know how cool a day that was for me?
I went to the Cubs game.
I sat behind home plate and then I went right from the Cubs game to come see you.
joe rogan
That's amazing.
andrew santino
It was like a monumentous day.
I told my cousin Luke, I was like, this is going to be one of the best days I've had.
I was riding on a high all day.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
andrew santino
Cruising.
joe rogan
What a day.
andrew santino
Well, last night I was at your club having a fun time with all the boys.
Gillis came down, and you know, when he comes down, NSD, you know, that's what it says.
He starts it up, dude.
joe rogan
Yeah, no, he's the best.
That club's got a great vibe, man.
Really does.
It's got a great vibe.
And that's the thing.
It's like if you're on the outside, you look at it and you go, oh, fuck those people.
That's a completely normal way to react.
Sure.
It's completely normal.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
But we're not saying fuck you.
Like, trust me.
Just relax.
andrew santino
Just relax.
joe rogan
Come give me a hug.
Come give me a hug.
We're all okay.
We should not be worried about this stupid shit.
And this is one of the things that I always hope happens when there's a tragedy, like a public figure gets executed.
unidentified
People just start having a little grace.
joe rogan
Just to give people a little grace.
andrew santino
Just a little bit more.
joe rogan
Yeah, take the temperature down, America.
Because regardless of who shot that guy, that guy was shot, and then the reaction was horrible.
And then the reaction to the reaction is equally horrible.
Everyone's horrible, right?
We're a community.
We're supposed to be a community.
You know, it's not supposed to be right versus left.
That's stupid.
We don't want to do World War III in the continental United States.
We don't want another fucking civil war.
That's crazy.
Just, we need to stop.
Just stop being so divisive and stop rewarding politicians for being so divisive.
Jimmy Kimmel returns.
ABC and suspension starting Tuesday.
See, called it.
andrew santino
You did.
joe rogan
Called it.
andrew santino
You know what's interesting?
You know what I thought he was going to do is get into different media now, like Conan with this podcast.
I thought he was going to do that too.
joe rogan
Well, that probably would be a good thing for him to do.
andrew santino
I could see him do that.
joe rogan
Yeah, but they're really smart to do this because the wave of people watching, I bet he gets the highest ratings he's ever had.
andrew santino
Ever, ever, ever.
joe rogan
They'll be nuts.
Yeah, the ratings would be nuts.
andrew santino
Look at that coming back.
joe rogan
Listen, man, it's like you can't, it's the Streisand effect.
You can't do that.
You can't remove someone for talking badly about you in 2025, if that's what happened.
andrew santino
If that is a way of doing it, if that's what happened.
joe rogan
I suspect there's a lot of factors.
One of the factors is declining ratings, right?
So as the ratings go down, then people get more and more sensitive about subject matter, more and more sensitive about advertising because, you know, you're already like the show is kind of in a bad direction as it is.
Look, the ratings are dropping because people are getting annoyed with it being too political or whatever narrative they could say.
And, you know, there's advertisers that get upset because they might be right-wing.
It is a decision we made because we felt some of the comments were ill-timed and thus insensitive, the statement said.
We have spent the last days having thoughtful conversations with Jimmy.
After those conversations, we reached the decision to return the show on Tuesday.
unidentified
Good.
joe rogan
Good.
So in my mind, in my mind, he wins.
He wins.
But, you know, take the temperature down.
Everybody.
Like, we don't want more killings.
We want to figure out what's the right thing for everybody.
And classifying someone, like I've heard people say the worst shit about Charlie Kirk post his death.
And like I said, I wasn't too aware of what the stuff that he had done.
I was aware of some of the things that he'd done that were really brilliant, some conversations that he had that I thought were very kind.
And I was aware of some of the things that he said.
I was like, oh, why'd you put it that way?
You know, like, why did you say that?
Like, that's, you're just, even if you, you're, even if it's possible to take something like that out of context, it makes you look terrible.
But it is just out of context.
That's the problem.
But out of context works in this day and age.
So I just wish he hadn't said the things that he said the way he said them, but I don't think he's an evil person.
So to celebrate the murder of a person that I think is genuine, generally a very kind and a very nice person who was just good at debating, but not always even totally accurate.
Like there's been some good critiques of some of the debates that he had with college kids that are online where he's like, no, he's not correct with what he said.
Like one of the things is about George Floyd.
And he kept saying that the medical examiner said that George Floyd would have died of that overdose.
That's not true.
And we've heard that too.
And so then we looked it up, right?
And it wasn't the medical examiner didn't say that, correct?
I don't think that's true.
And I think he had already printed a retraction.
But see, this is the problem with like a debate in a microphone in a public place where people are cheering and screaming and you're trying to form your argument.
You're not even good at doing it.
And you're doing it to a guy who's a professional at doing this.
And it's like, it's a stupid way to have conversations, but better than no way at all, right?
And in those colleges, you don't get any of those kind of conversations with your professors.
andrew santino
That's why it was really healthy for him.
I think the, you know, a lot of people say, oh, he targeted young people.
And you're like, well, there's two ways to look at that.
One, it's because I feel like they are the most susceptible to maybe hearing you out, right?
You're not changing my dad's mind.
I'll tell you that.
unidentified
He's not going to fucking feed up on the couch.
joe rogan
Shut the fuck up.
andrew santino
No, but I think that.
And then the other side is it's not to prove that he was going to outwit these people.
I think it was to have actual discourse and to start discourse on campus.
joe rogan
It was also to get popular.
andrew santino
Yeah, well, he wanted to be famous.
joe rogan
He's doing this and spreading these ideas, but he believed in it.
He's very religious.
But here's the thing.
Like, he's not this terrible person that they're trying to make him out to be.
So to take a 31-year-old guy who's a father and he's got two very young children and he's married.
He's got a family.
He's got this wife who loves him.
And to cheer that he got shot in the head for his ideas, we've lost the plot.
Like we've lost the plot.
If there's a group of children out there in college, young people out there, young adults that are cheering and then older adults too, who are cheering this.
My friend was in a coffee shop and this lady was beside him on a Zoom call.
And this is like right after Charlie Kirk was killed.
And she gets on her Zoom call and she goes, well, I had an unexpectedly great day today.
How about you girls?
And they were like, today was amazing.
And they weren't really saying why today was amazing, but it was very clear that they were celebrating the fact that this guy who was a father and a husband was murdered for his ideas.
That's not the way to do it, folks.
andrew santino
You may not like what a guy says, for For God's sake.
I didn't like everything the guy said.
But when they, people were like.
joe rogan
It's so short-sighted.
andrew santino
Yeah, this is what we need.
You're like, dude, how is your brain functioning like that?
joe rogan
It's so crazy.
It's so crazy.
It's all just infected by social media.
And all these people who think like this are all online almost all day.
andrew santino
Yeah.
They live in it.
unidentified
Yes.
joe rogan
They live in it.
They're in the shit all day long, like reading the comments.
And you're getting poisoned.
You're losing your humanity.
That's not a normal way to think.
andrew santino
Go outside.
joe rogan
Yeah, you need more than that.
You need mushrooms and hugs.
You need a lot.
But this fucking thing that we're all caught in, this tide of electronics is leading us in that direction.
It's like an inhuman reaction.
Like you're separated from the norm of human interaction, like the warmth of a person's smile and give me a hug, like all that stuff.
How many times have you been in a conversation with a person you disagreed with them?
You both start laughing at the end of it.
andrew santino
That's every comic conversation I have.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
But online, it doesn't happen that it doesn't even happen sometimes with people you know.
Like, I was in the woods in Utah for a week.
I was out there elk hunting, and there's no service out there.
There's like a little bit of service, like one peak you get at.
You could make a few phone calls and check text messages.
And so I was getting some text messages that were showing me that Kimmel got fired.
You know, like, oh, look at this.
Jesus Christ.
This is crazy.
And my thought was, what did he say?
Oh, my God.
What did he say?
He said something about Charlie Kirk after he got killed.
That's crazy.
Then I saw what he said.
I was like, well, that's not that bad.
andrew santino
No.
joe rogan
That's not accurate, but it's like, in my mind, as a comic, I'm like, he's just setting up this bit.
I'm like, and then I'm watching everybody freak out about this.
I'm like, and then I thought, okay, am I looking at it wrong?
Okay, it is kind of misleading because he's kind of saying that they're trying to label this person as anyone other than themselves, which is like a little weird.
andrew santino
Political finger pointing.
joe rogan
Yeah, so that's not that's that's inaccurate.
But instead, I didn't get upset.
I didn't understand.
And then I started really realizing that people were upset at me because I wasn't saying anything.
I was in support of it.
I was like, I'll show you a picture where I am right now.
andrew santino
Hunting elk.
joe rogan
Yeah, like literally.
This is a picture of where I was.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
I was up in the mountains.
But even then, like, you don't get to tell people what they should and shouldn't comment on while you're silent about Gaza.
andrew santino
Yeah, whatever.
joe rogan
Okay.
If I check, if I go through your social media and there's no organized outrage about what's happening right now in Gaza and you're upset that there's a comedian that got for a few days got his show got stopped because he said mean things about the president like there's another shit in the world that might be more important than this and you might need medication you might you might be a fucking crazy shut-in you might be a person that's addicted
to your phone and get the fuck outside.
andrew santino
Yeah, get off your fucking phone.
joe rogan
You don't require other people to comment on things.
I read one comic that said if you have a big platform and you're not commenting, all I could see is how much you love the taste of boot leather.
Shut the fuck up.
Settle down.
andrew santino
Or I'm with my family right now having a meal.
joe rogan
This is one of the reasons why I've been off social media for the last seven, eight months mostly.
I'll look at it occasionally.
I hardly ever post and if I do post, it's just stuff about shows.
Like I did a show here.
Here's a picture of this fun thing.
That's it.
But I don't read anything about me at all.
I know guys that have lost their minds.
They're in that all day long.
Having conversations with people on Twitter all day long.
Debating points.
Arguing stuff all day long.
Making response videos.
Making other videos.
going and talking about it on a podcast.
Like, what are you doing with your life, man?
andrew santino
Yeah, this is nuts.
Well, everybody raised a lot of these people that were like, boycott ABC and Disney, cancel it.
And I was like, well, don't do that.
joe rogan
Not only that, they made video.
Ron Perlman made a video.
andrew santino
So I'm on there.
joe rogan
I'm subscribed and then unsubscribed.
andrew santino
What are you doing, dude?
joe rogan
Like, settle.
andrew santino
Relax.
Relax.
joe rogan
But also, if it is that the government tried to silence Jimmy Kimmel because they were trying to push through some sort of a merger and he doesn't like Jimmy Kimmel.
So they try, like, yeah, that should be exposed.
andrew santino
That's fucked up.
joe rogan
I'm going to need to see some emails.
andrew santino
I want to see them emails.
joe rogan
I want to see some emails.
This is one of the reasons why you need that Israeli spying software.
andrew santino
Yeah, we got to get that.
joe rogan
You know what?
We need it all.
Everyone needs it.
We have no encryption, no encryption anymore.
We need to all read each other's phones.
I need to know.
What did you guys plan?
andrew santino
What'd you say?
Show me what you say.
joe rogan
Show me.
andrew santino
Show me what you showed.
unidentified
Show me.
andrew santino
Show it right now.
I think they're going to come out and find out.
We'll find out.
It'll get exposed.
joe rogan
Jamie, tell me if this is true, that there is a – this is something that someone sent me, that every Samsung phone from 2022 on has something installed in it called AppCloud.
andrew santino
AppCloud.
joe rogan
Yeah, and it's a backdoor, and it allows you – here, I'll send you this thing, Jamie.
I do not know if this is true.
It sounds ridiculous.
It allows someone to potentially get into your phone.
But I asked a friend of mine who's a legit expert in this kind of shit.
He said, all they need is your phone number.
All that stuff is nonsense.
I go, really?
He goes, yes.
andrew santino
Is that easy?
joe rogan
It's that easy.
With Pegasus 2, he goes, all they need is your phone number.
So all this thing of like backdoor apps, like – So what?
andrew santino
They need your phone number, they can just access everything?
Everything.
unidentified
Jesus Christ.
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's a joke.
andrew santino
Why aren't we doing that then to people that we need to access their phones?
joe rogan
The only way – well, they do.
That's how the Israelis fucked everybody up.
You got to give it to them, dude.
Them pagers.
andrew santino
Like that was one of the most – That pager shit was wild.
joe rogan
Genius shit.
One of the most genius fucking operations I've ever heard a government pull off.
Send people pagers.
Keep the – they have those pagers for a long time before they blew them up.
andrew santino
They're like, yeah, send them out.
joe rogan
How long did they have those pagers before they detonated them, Jamie?
I want to say it was over a year.
andrew santino
It was like a government-sponsored program they gave them to these people, right?
Is that what it was?
joe rogan
Well, the thing is they were using pagers because they knew that if they were using cell phones that the Israelis had electronics that could read everything.
unidentified
Sure.
joe rogan
So they could spy on all their phones.
So to get around that, they decided to use pagers.
So the Israelis knew that they were going to use pagers because they have people embedded in these organizations.
They have people that are literally acting like they're Hezbollah or Hamas.
They're inside there and then they're Israelis.
And so these people got a hold of their order before – so they order a bunch of pagers.
They get a hold of it, rig it with detonations, rig it with explosives, repackage it, send it to them.
So then they get it like, good, got the pager.
Fuck these Israelis.
They're putting a little bomb right next to your dick.
unidentified
It's crazy.
joe rogan
And you're walking around with this thing for, I think, a year or so.
unidentified
Jesus.
jamie vernon
I'm seeing five months.
joe rogan
I can't hear you.
jamie vernon
I'm seeing five months.
joe rogan
Five months.
jamie vernon
No, no, the actual – but it wasn't – yeah, it didn't all happen in one to two.
joe rogan
Okay.
Imagine if it went on for how long?
jamie vernon
An hour.
joe rogan
An hour.
So for an hour.
unidentified
Bang!
joe rogan
Everywhere you look, pagers are blowing up on dudes'dicks.
And think about where your pager is.
It's right there.
unidentified
Right there.
joe rogan
Right where your balls are.
unidentified
Boom!
joe rogan
Big old bowling ball hole where your legs used to be.
andrew santino
Wild.
unidentified
Wild.
joe rogan
And they planned it out months and months in advance.
How about what they did to the Iranians?
Do you know what they did with them?
They had this thing.
They made a phone call.
We need a meeting of everybody.
Meet in the bunker.
And they met them.
But it was a prank phone call.
So all these Iranian guys, they met in the bunker and they fucking dusted that bunker.
unidentified
Blew it apart.
andrew santino
Well, they thought it was coming from a higher order and they were like, yeah, we'll see you down there.
joe rogan
Oh, boy, we're under attack.
Let's go meet at the bunker.
unidentified
Boom.
andrew santino
Boom.
That's nuts, dude.
joe rogan
Genius.
andrew santino
Yeah.
joe rogan
Genius.
andrew santino
They know what they're doing.
They're plotting.
joe rogan
Oh, they're real good at it.
andrew santino
They're real good at it.
joe rogan
Yeah, they're real good at it.
It's uncomfortable.
It's crazy.
You know, if I was Jewish, I'd be like, yeah, we're the best.
Bro, we fucking rule.
andrew santino
Have you seen it?
Have you seen what we've been doing?
Yeah, they're not.
joe rogan
Get everybody to come over here, put the hat on.
andrew santino
Put the hat on.
joe rogan
Did you see that Benjamin Netanyahu gave like this two-minute speech about how offensive it was that people say that Israel killed Charlie Kirk?
andrew santino
No.
He just made it.
He made a video about it.
And I was like, no one said that.
joe rogan
Like, what?
andrew santino
I've never heard that.
joe rogan
Tell me more.
andrew santino
Yeah.
Who said that?
unidentified
Tell me more.
joe rogan
Like, who's saying this?
andrew santino
See, that's the kind of shit that I think when they plant information like that.
And then it becomes true, right?
Because then people online do start saying it.
joe rogan
Yeah.
andrew santino
So you're just feeding the false narrative becomes a real narrative.
And he goes, see?
joe rogan
Well, it could be that he got hoodwinked.
They're like, he's an older dude, right?
So he's probably not on TikTok.
He probably doesn't have his thumb to the pulse of the young people.
And someone comes in.
Because Trump didn't understand when he would go to his rallies and he would talk about the vaccine, the people would boo.
He didn't understand.
He's like, why are they booing?
The vaccine was amazing.
unidentified
I did it.
joe rogan
It was all me.
And they're like, no, no, no, we don't like the vaccine.
He didn't know.
So he doesn't have his thumb on the pulse.
So if someone comes to him, BB, they're saying we did it.
We didn't do it.
They're saying we did it.
You really need to do it.
andrew santino
I'll tell people that we didn't do it.
joe rogan
He goes out and responds, well, he looks like he did it now.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
And that could be a trick because there's still a bunch of people in Israel trying to get rid of him, too.
andrew santino
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
Like the day of October 7th, the day before, there were thousands of people in the streets protesting him.
andrew santino
Right.
They don't like him.
joe rogan
Well, there's some people that do.
There's some people that don't.
Just like Trump.
You know, you could say, oh, the Americans hate Trump.
No, half the Americans hate Trump.
Half the Americans think he's the shit.
They love it.
They're like tired.
They're tired of liberals.
They're tired of people with blue hair screaming in their face.
They're tired.
andrew santino
And there's a contingency of people that don't give a fuck, but they're like, that's fine.
I don't care.
joe rogan
They don't.
They'll join the Republicans because the other people are so annoying.
At least the Republicans leave them alone.
That's what happens.
andrew santino
They just want to be left alone.
joe rogan
Yeah, you guys are screeching and telling people what to do and what they have to say.
Like, you know, you do what I tell you to.
You take that post down.
Like, you do what the fuck.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
See what I'm saying?
andrew santino
Take that post.
joe rogan
You take that post down.
They want control over you.
andrew santino
Expressing your opinions.
joe rogan
That ain't good from either side, kids.
andrew santino
That's dangerous.
jamie vernon
There's something with the app cloud thing.
I found the post you posted, but I just asked Grock instead to see what it said.
andrew santino
What did Grock say?
joe rogan
Brock says it's a pre-installed system service on many Samsung Galaxy smartphones, particularly mid-range and budget models like the A-Series, as well as some of the S-Series devices.
Depending on the carrier or region, it functions as an app recommendation and installation tool that suggests and promotes third-party apps, often games and promotional content, based on user behavior, location, and preferences.
This is part of Samsung's partnerships with carriers and app developers to generate revenue by subsidizing device costs through the pre-loaded or suggested installs.
Boy, I don't like all that.
jamie vernon
There's a bunch of videos and posts about how to take it off and how to disable it.
joe rogan
So it's widely viewed as bloatware or adware due to its intrusive nature.
It could be easily uninstalled.
Oh, it can't be easily uninstalled.
And notifications are non-dismissable.
Oh, that's gross.
It's not essential for core phone function.
It's often absence from carrier-free or unlocked devices bought directly from Samsung.
Okay.
So it's not a Samsung issue.
It's someone else puts it on a Samsung phone.
There's no verified evidence supporting claims of data being sent to external entities like intelligent firms.
These appear to stem from misinformation on social media or you're lying.
jamie vernon
When I looked it up, this post people were posting on Instagram two days ago.
It mentions IronSource, which that did not.
So it Googled IronSource.
unidentified
Interesting.
jamie vernon
Israeli software company when you said that.
joe rogan
Israeli software company.
Now part of Unity that provides a platform for mobile app creators to monetize their apps through user acquisition and advertising.
Funded in 2010, significant presence in Tel Aviv.
Company has merged with the U.S. gaming firm Unity in November 2022 to form an end-to-end platform for the app economy.
jamie vernon
What does that mean?
joe rogan
What is all that?
What did you just say?
unidentified
What did you say?
joe rogan
What did you say?
andrew santino
What did you say, man?
joe rogan
What are you talking about?
andrew santino
Israelis Iron Source Trades in Europe.
joe rogan
They are the best at it.
They figured out Pegasus.
That's how whoever got Jeff Bezos got him.
They got him through a WhatsApp link.
So that was the first Pegasus.
I'd send you a WhatsApp message like, Santino, you got to check this out.
And you'd be like, what is it?
And so you check out some, you know, some X article that I send you.
But as you're clicking on it, it puts an exploit into your phone.
So now they have full access to your phone.
andrew santino
Fuck.
joe rogan
They get all your dick pics, all your photos, all your dirty little text messages.
andrew santino
All my dick pics are from Jamie.
joe rogan
But now with Pegasus 2, all they need is your phone number.
andrew santino
Fuck.
joe rogan
Just your phone number.
andrew santino
Bonkers.
joe rogan
Yeah.
andrew santino
That's so dark.
joe rogan
It's nuts.
andrew santino
How can they protect that?
You can't protect that.
joe rogan
Yeah.
It's really hard.
And then you think, well, I'll just use encrypt apps, encrypted apps.
andrew santino
Well, WhatsApp does that, right?
joe rogan
WhatsApp.
Yeah.
And then there's also Signal.
And then there's like Telegram and a few other ones, but they can get in those two if they want to.
They did it with Tucker Carlson.
Tucker Carlson was going to the Soviet Union.
It doesn't exist anymore.
He was going to Russia to talk to, well, let's see.
Oh, that was a Freudian because they're probably trying to bring that bitch back.
He was going to Russia to try to meet with Putin, and they found out and they contacted him and they said, we read your signal.
And he's like, what?
I didn't even know you could do that.
andrew santino
What did he say on this?
What was it?
joe rogan
Well, his signal chat was he was going back and forth with someone about setting up a meeting with Putin.
And so the State Department or whoever it was, whoever it was in the Biden administration, made the call to spend an extraordinary amount of money to unencrypt his signal.
andrew santino
Jesus.
joe rogan
Yeah, and read his messages because, you know, you're not supposed to be talking to people we don't like.
andrew santino
Can't be talking to people you don't like.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
We might get a wrong opinion of who that person is, which I kind of get it.
I know what you're saying.
I don't ever think that not talking to people is the solution, but I do understand what they're saying.
andrew santino
Yeah, but traditionally, don't we usually try to talk to people so we can try to figure out how we can make some headway?
joe rogan
It would be the better option for everybody, especially if cooler heads could prevail.
But the thing about this Ukraine-Russia thing is like, I think Trump grossly underestimated the amount of work that it's going to take to stop this.
You know, when he got, but when he was running, he was saying that one day, get me in the office, and one day I'll have a deal.
No, there's no deal.
There's no deal.
And the thing is, like, Putin is very smart.
He's not going to, you know, he's going to play.
He's going to cat and mouse this.
Like, you can't just say, I'm going to be able to do a deal with Putin, you know, because I'm the alpha.
He's like, really?
andrew santino
That's not how it works.
joe rogan
I feel like pushing into Poland.
You know, and like things can get real squirrely because of that.
Because you can't.
That's a former KGB guy who is like a Russian nationalist, right?
Like he's the president of Russia for how long now?
How long has he been running Russia?
andrew santino
Forever.
I mean, since I can remember, I don't know.
How long has he been around?
joe rogan
You can't out-alpha that guy.
andrew santino
No, he's the guy.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
I mean, maybe you can have some sort of a deal could be made.
But if you think you're going to be able to say, I'll have a deal tomorrow.
He's like, nah.
andrew santino
No, you won't.
joe rogan
I don't think so.
I'm going through the woods.
I'm going to go think something.
unidentified
I think you'll wait.
joe rogan
He's riding a bear with no shirt on.
andrew santino
I think you have to wait.
I will ride bear.
joe rogan
You know, there's a lot of people that think he might be one of the richest men alive.
andrew santino
Well, they don't disclose, so who knows?
joe rogan
He has no idea.
No one has any idea how much money he has.
And he's not going to just listen to you.
unidentified
No.
joe rogan
You're poor to him.
andrew santino
Yeah, you mean.
joe rogan
Trump's only got like a couple billion.
Like, shut up.
andrew santino
Yeah, you're like a couple billion dollars.
joe rogan
You're good.
andrew santino
It's nice.
joe rogan
I have boat your size.
The size of your entire GDP.
andrew santino
They have yachts the size of White House.
joe rogan
They got some crazy ass yachts that they stole, too.
That was another weird thing during the Ukrainian invasion.
Everybody was like, yeah, well, all your rich friends were stealing their boats.
They stole all the yachts from all the oligarchs.
And I was always like, where do those yachts go?
Who gets to keep them?
What's going on?
andrew santino
He's got them.
joe rogan
No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
They stole it from the Russians, the international community.
andrew santino
Where are they now?
joe rogan
A lot of them are parked in ports and they have to be maintained because otherwise you lose the value of the boats.
And those votes, like a boat, like one of them Russian oligarch yachts, bro, that is millions and millions of dollars every year just to maintain it.
Just to maintain it.
Just to maintain it.
And then like every couple of years, you got to pull it out of the fucking water and they got to clean it and put new paint on it.
Do you know how much money that costs?
You have to be so rich just to maintain it.
And then they just took them from them.
And then they just have them somewhere.
And then the states.
andrew santino
The state's paying for it.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Like there was one of them that was in Italy.
And so the Italians had to pay.
And they're like, we don't have this fucking money.
andrew santino
I don't want to pay for this.
joe rogan
They're fucking...
I mean, how many...
Let's take a guess.
How many Russian oligarch yachts were captured?
How many do you think were confiscated?
If you had a guess.
I want to say 14.
andrew santino
Oh, I was going to say, I wanted to say something in the number of like 30 or 40.
I mean, the amount of money that's out there in these guys, I mean, it's endless.
It's an endless trail of money.
I bet you a lot of these people had multiple yachts.
joe rogan
I bet.
andrew santino
They got a yacht for a yacht.
You got a tug yacht.
joe rogan
You got a yacht for your hose.
andrew santino
You got a yacht for the hose.
joe rogan
Yeah, for your family.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah, for your other family.
andrew santino
They have yachts.
joe rogan
Just for cocaine.
unidentified
Yeah.
andrew santino
This is coconut.
unidentified
Kenyach.
joe rogan
My cocaine yacht.
unidentified
Look at it.
You want to go?
joe rogan
It's all black.
Get it?
unidentified
Get it?
joe rogan
It's all black, not white.
Get it?
unidentified
I treat them.
andrew santino
I treat.
I'm clean.
joe rogan
This is where my cocaine is.
It looks, you could find all the coke.
Everything is black.
The floors, the tables.
andrew santino
That's coke everywhere.
joe rogan
If you lose a little coke, you know where it goes.
You just look for the white stuff.
jamie vernon
You can just wild turn.
I haven't found the number yet, but one of them I was looking up, they got it in Fiji, and I was already reading about how they had it shipped back to Hawaii, but now it's for auction.
Oh, so now they're like, you should buy it.
Yeah, but now you're going to be the owner of this Russian guy's yacht that wants it back.
joe rogan
No, no, no, he's going to understand.
jamie vernon
Because they said he wanted to buy it back.
joe rogan
No, no, no, I'm going to tell him.
I'm going to tell him.
Browse mine now.
unidentified
I'm sorry.
joe rogan
They'll just let you have it.
andrew santino
300 million.
joe rogan
It was worth 300 million when it was seized in 2022.
Look at the size of it.
jamie vernon
It has six decks, I think, is what it is.
andrew santino
It's a fucking apartment.
348.
joe rogan
It's an apartment building.
andrew santino
Yeah.
joe rogan
Not an apartment.
andrew santino
That's what I meant.
Apartment buildings.
It's apartments.
joe rogan
The U.S. government seized the gleaming yacht three years ago when it was docked in a marina in Fiji with local assistance.
They argued that the vessel called Amadea, Latin for God's Love, was owned by Suleiman Kermov, a Russian oligarch under U.S. sanctions with a network worth of $16.4 billion, according to Forbes, and ties to President Vladimir Putin of Russia.
Isn't that funny?
All you have to do is have ties to him.
They could steal your boat.
andrew santino
$16.4 billion.
joe rogan
Yeah.
andrew santino
And that's probably a guess, right?
joe rogan
Well, that's what's weird.
It's like ties to him.
Like, what are the extent of those ties?
andrew santino
How do they know each other?
jamie vernon
Someone else owned it on paper, though.
joe rogan
Oh, on paper, the owner was a different wealthy Russian, Edward Kudanev, Kudanatov, Kudenatov.
Kudenatov, a one-time pig breeder.
unidentified
Jesus Christ.
joe rogan
Who has not been sanctioned by the United States?
Mr. Kudenatov's claim on the Amadea began a legal battle that has delayed the yacht's sale and could pose problems for its eventual owner.
Well, if they just stole it from the pig farmer, then what the fuck, U.S.?
andrew santino
Yeah, what are we doing?
jamie vernon
How'd this guy get it?
How'd the first guy get it?
andrew santino
This is obviously bought in someone else's guy.
jamie vernon
First guy you said.
joe rogan
Oh, the oligarch?
jamie vernon
Yeah, that's who they took it from.
joe rogan
He's borrowing it.
He's borrowing it.
He asked me to borrow.
When you're that rich, bro, it's a flex.
andrew santino
Let me take that yacht.
joe rogan
You want to borrow my yacht, Google?
andrew santino
Take it.
I don't give a shit.
joe rogan
Take the yacht.
Kill the chef.
I don't care.
unidentified
Kill the chef.
joe rogan
Kill the chef.
Shoot him in the head if you don't like the way you're sticking.
andrew santino
The chef's just standing there.
Please spare me.
jamie vernon
There was at least six or seven other yachts I was reading up on, and that was not the biggest one.
joe rogan
That's not the biggest one?
jamie vernon
No, no, no.
joe rogan
Whoa, what's the biggest one they seized?
andrew santino
I'm telling you.
joe rogan
Those guys are balling.
unidentified
So hard.
joe rogan
They're balling.
jamie vernon
41 meters.
That's slightly bigger.
joe rogan
And you wonder why Nancy Pelosi keeps embezzling money like this.
andrew santino
Smart.
She wants to be a little bit more.
joe rogan
She's not embezzling.
She's insider trading.
andrew santino
Yeah, inside.
joe rogan
She's doing it legally, though.
jamie vernon
Yeah, of course.
joe rogan
So what the fuck?
andrew santino
They're all doing it legally.
joe rogan
My complaint.
jamie vernon
Yeah.
andrew santino
Wow.
joe rogan
Whoa.
jamie vernon
That's a little bigger.
joe rogan
See, when you're around all this, you're like, why do the Russians get all the yachts?
jamie vernon
Nirvana.
unidentified
Paul, we need more money.
andrew santino
That is fucking insane.
Look at the size of that bullshit little jet ski next to that thing.
Look how big that is.
joe rogan
Bro, that yacht's giant.
andrew santino
That's huge.
joe rogan
Three decks.
How many feet long is that?
jamie vernon
These are listed in meters.
andrew santino
82 meters.
joe rogan
What is that?
unidentified
Nah, it's 240 feet.
Look at you.
joe rogan
That was quick.
jamie vernon
It's like three.
andrew santino
Yeah, just about three.
joe rogan
There's like a formula that you do when you convert meters to yards.
How do you do that?
Like, someone told me from the archery community, told me how to do that.
If you have a range finder that says meters.
jamie vernon
1.09.
unidentified
Right.
andrew santino
That's right.
unidentified
Yeah.
andrew santino
Meters and yards.
joe rogan
So if it's like which one's longer?
jamie vernon
Your meter.
joe rogan
Oh.
Okay, so 100 meters, like 110 yards?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Okay.
andrew santino
Give or take, yeah.
joe rogan
There you go.
andrew santino
The only reason I know that because of golf.
I know.
If you golf, if I golf overseas, they always do meters.
unidentified
Right.
andrew santino
And they don't convert for you.
unidentified
Oh.
andrew santino
So you'll go, when they say it, they'll go, you know, down in Australia, like 128.
And you're like, 120.
joe rogan
Oh, you got to do it.
andrew santino
I had my phone out at one point.
I was like, hold on, Tony.
unidentified
I got a phone and put it in.
joe rogan
Oh, that's funny.
andrew santino
They were making fun of me.
They're like, come on, Matt.
You don't know any fucking conversions.
I'm like, nah, I don't know.
I have conversions, man.
joe rogan
They taught us in high school, and then they gave up.
andrew santino
Well, I gave up.
joe rogan
But they gave up.
Like, by the time I was out of high school, they stopped doing it.
andrew santino
Same thing with Kirsten.
joe rogan
This is 85.
They gave up.
But they gave up on the metric system in 85.
They were going to try to impart the metric system in the entire country.
andrew santino
Yeah, we weren't interested.
joe rogan
Nope.
Fuck you.
andrew santino
Fuck you.
unidentified
We got the bomb, bitch.
andrew santino
We're doing our own numbers, man.
joe rogan
We were digging inches and you could suck my dick.
Inches and pounds.
Go fuck yourself with your metric system.
It's kind of funny.
andrew santino
Yeah, I like it.
joe rogan
Fuck you and fuck soccer.
andrew santino
Fuck you.
joe rogan
America was like, we're not doing it.
unidentified
Yeah, we didn't do it.
joe rogan
Not doing it.
Sorry.
andrew santino
No, we got a sport like soccer, but it's like concussion.
We just run at each other full fucking speed, crushing each other.
Gladiator shit.
joe rogan
Yeah.
I wonder what's worse for you.
That or fighting.
I used to think it was that, but then I started watching some documentaries about old-time fighters.
andrew santino
Bad.
joe rogan
Oh, my God, dude.
andrew santino
Well, you remember when the NHL was going to ban fighting, and then I think they found out there was research that found out that the most concussions that came from on the ice were from board hits.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah, for sure.
andrew santino
Heads bouncing off the board.
joe rogan
Yeah, for sure.
andrew santino
So they were like, the fights weren't, because you're so unstable on skates, the fighting wasn't as brutal as obviously ground fighting because you have stability, right?
joe rogan
I saw a dude judo throw a guy, though.
andrew santino
It's pretty rad.
On ice?
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
It's kind of uncool.
andrew santino
It's not cool.
joe rogan
The guy takes his helmet off and you judo throw him, he could die.
andrew santino
Could.
joe rogan
Did he easily?
I don't know.
I don't know what happened to that guy.
It didn't look like he died, but he definitely got KO'd.
This dude hip-tosed him.
andrew santino
Those ice fights, though, they're brutal, but the bouncing of the head off the glass, they say.
joe rogan
Watch this.
unidentified
Whoa.
andrew santino
Oh, he bounced on his back, I think.
joe rogan
Bro, his head hit the ground, son.
Look at this.
100% of his head.
andrew santino
It's a good throw.
joe rogan
His head hit the ground 100%.
andrew santino
Yeah, that's not good.
joe rogan
Boom.
Right there.
100%.
There's a bounce.
andrew santino
Yeah, that's not good.
joe rogan
Not good.
andrew santino
Not good, dude.
joe rogan
Yeah.
That was a good throw.
andrew santino
I mean, it's a good throw, dude.
joe rogan
As a guy who appreciates it.
andrew santino
His positioning was perfect, dude.
joe rogan
Really knew his shit.
That's the thing.
If you could teach a judo practitioner, you could teach a Carl Parisian or a Yoel Romero or Hector Lump.
Well, Yoel Romero's a wrestler, but Hector Lombard, who was a Jiu-Jitsu champion from Cuba.
Teach a guy like that how to fight in hockey games, you're in fucking trouble, son.
Yeah, don't let him grab a hold of your shit.
If he's a really good skater, and I'm sure he's got amazing balance, because every judoka has insane balance.
You have to be able to rotate your weight, transfer your weight at the split, split-second intervals, and you got to be able to manipulate another person's body and weight and the kind of strength that you would have to slam someone on the ice like that.
unidentified
Oof.
andrew santino
Well, that's when it's over, though.
That's the only rule of hockey, right?
If you're down, it's out.
joe rogan
Is that the rule?
andrew santino
You can't, your fight's over when they go down.
Yeah, you can't fucking, you can't hit him when he's down.
joe rogan
Aren't they doing like a whole fight league where they like a hockey fight thing?
andrew santino
I feel like the Russians have that, like a hockey skate, a hockey fight thing.
joe rogan
Russians have people fighting in cars.
Have you seen the car fights?
andrew santino
No, dude.
joe rogan
He buckled up in a seat.
andrew santino
I have seen this.
Yeah, yeah, and they just start beating the fucking shit out of each other.
That is insane.
joe rogan
It's so insane, dude.
It's so insane.
andrew santino
Yeah, these guys, right?
Yeah, this is exactly right.
There's just ice fights.
joe rogan
Oh, my God.
This is so crazy.
So they have MMA gloves on.
They're fighting on ice.
This is nuts, dude.
This is.
jamie vernon
Oh, spinning backfist.
Closer to your basketball court thing, though.
There's no wall.
joe rogan
Yeah, no, pretty good idea.
Except the whole.
You can't go down on the ground.
The whole skate thing is nonsense.
Like the whole.
Why are you limiting people's movement?
andrew santino
Yeah, but it is so much harder to fight on ice.
Oh, yeah.
It's fucking so hard.
joe rogan
Well, also, it's such a factor that if you're a really good skater but a shitty boxer, you could fuck a guy up.
It's probably better than you.
andrew santino
For sure.
joe rogan
Because he's not going to know how to balance himself when he's transferring weight.
You could just kind of pop, hop, pop him, and he won't be able to do anything about it.
He could keep it together and just like gently pop him.
Stumbling all over the place.
It's just a dumb way to fight.
andrew santino
Ice fights.
Ice fights, baby.
joe rogan
It is weird, though, that hockey allows fights.
andrew santino
I love it.
It's weird.
joe rogan
It's weird that there's like one sport like, eh.
andrew santino
It's tradition.
joe rogan
Weird.
andrew santino
Yeah, I know, but it is.
But I do think also because the brutality of the fights wouldn't be as gruesome as that of NBA, NFL, you know what I mean?
unidentified
Right.
andrew santino
With Brown.
So I think they factor in the fact that it's like these fights don't really last long.
They get a couple shots.
It's usually over.
joe rogan
Nobody gets hurt.
andrew santino
And they usually break it up pretty quickly.
When the refs can sneak in, they will.
joe rogan
Yeah.
unidentified
I love it.
andrew santino
I think it's such a cool part of the sport.
joe rogan
It's a great part of the sport.
Without that, people are going to hate it.
unidentified
Bare knuckles.
joe rogan
Bare knuckles.
Of course they did.
Of course they did.
With the helmets on.
The helmets are smart, honestly, because when you get KO'd and your head bounces off the ground, you really need that helmet.
But you could also break the fucking shit out of your hand on that helmet.
andrew santino
Oh, they are for sure.
joe rogan
For sure.
Yeah, that's a terrible way to break your hands.
andrew santino
Bear Knuckle Ice Fights.
Sponsored by Buffalo Wild Wings.
joe rogan
Sponsored by Pfizer.
Do you have brain damage?
Does it make you depressed?
andrew santino
Try taking Zola exams.
Zola dans will figure everything out for you.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
We live in some weird times, my friend.
We really do.
andrew santino
Well, we're trying our best.
We're trying our best in a totally fucked up time.
I do think we're going to see a swing.
I think things are going to happen.
joe rogan
Which way?
andrew santino
I think things are going to even out a little bit and get a little bit calmer.
I think people, it's so chaotic.
joe rogan
I hope so.
I hope cooler heads prevail.
andrew santino
Because we're in a bad way.
joe rogan
But there's a lot of people, unfortunately, in this country that don't see a bright future for themselves.
And this is also part of the problem with the narratives that we're being fed on social media, is that they start looking at their economic future and it looks very bleak and they want to point a finger at someone.
I'm like, somebody fucked me.
Like, why are these people?
There's a few people that have all this money.
You know, and this is one of the things one of them CEOs was talking about on a podcast that like that they have to be really careful because like once AI does happen, like people are going to come for them.
Like the people are going to like, did you see what happened in Nepal?
They took over the whole government.
andrew santino
Oh, they overthrew it.
joe rogan
They overthrew the government.
And they voted in a new leader on Discord.
That's how they voted in their new leader.
Wow.
They took over the government because the government was trying to impose rules on what they could post online, what they could see online.
And the young people had enough.
andrew santino
They were like, no.
joe rogan
And they're like, e fucking enough.
And it was an actual overthrowing of the government.
unidentified
Wow.
joe rogan
Which I do not know if it was orchestrated by an intelligence agency.
That's the problem.
Could be.
I used to think, what a great story.
That's so cool.
Then I met Mike Benz, and he's like, no, USAID has been funding these things for years.
unidentified
Like, what?
No.
joe rogan
Yes.
He was saying USAID is for things that are too dirty for the CIA.
So they farm it off to these NGOs.
jamie vernon
Government officials had to leave their parliament building by helicopter.
Whoa!
unidentified
Bro!
andrew santino
That's awesome.
joe rogan
They're hanging on to helicopters.
That's crazy.
jamie vernon
Yeah, I haven't watched a lot of the videos.
There's a guy who I think he was randomly traveling on motorcycle through there while this was happening.
He's just sort of stayed.
That keeps filming on the ground stuff.
joe rogan
It is so nuts.
Imagine, like, look, we can get you out here, but we don't have time to get you in the helicopter.
They're at the door.
Just put this fucking thing between your legs and hang on.
Do you have gloves?
Do you have gloves?
andrew santino
Is he in Katman Doo?
joe rogan
By the way, how long do you think you could hang on to that without a strap?
Zero seconds.
andrew santino
Not a long time.
I got a zero second.
Yeah, that's going to be tough.
joe rogan
That's a wire.
andrew santino
Yeah, that's tough.
joe rogan
That's a nylon wire.
andrew santino
Nepal is burning.
unidentified
Wow.
joe rogan
The real story behind...
What is it?
Which one was it?
Yeah.
Nepal Gen Z protest.
The real story behind the uprising, connecting the dots.
Look at their all filled.
Everyone's got their camera out.
Some people have masks on.
Jesus Christ, man.
We live in the dumbest of times and the wildest of times.
The mask thing.
It's like every time I see someone with a mask on, I'm like, you got to stop.
You got to stop.
andrew santino
They're everywhere.
I still see them everywhere.
joe rogan
But it's like it's a green light for idiots to just also be able to commit crimes because you're allowing people to cover their face, which used to be a red light.
unidentified
I don't know.
joe rogan
Like, if you go into a bank with a mask on in the past, it was like, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, this guy's got a mask on.
Everybody got their guns out.
Now it's normal.
andrew santino
Normal to see it with this guy, this fully masked guy.
My buddy Sean sent me a video of a guy on his block, their security camera.
Broad daylight, middle of the day, getting groceries out of his car with his kid and his wife.
Guy runs up to him with a gun, robs him of his watch.
unidentified
Oh, Jesus.
andrew santino
Broad daylight.
Fully masked up.
joe rogan
Where was this at?
andrew santino
In LA.
Oh, my God.
In the valley.
The video's wild, dude.
The wife comes out, he points the gun right at the wife.
joe rogan
Oh, my God.
andrew santino
And I mean, doesn't shoot anybody.
Thank God the guys are, the kids are, everything was safe.
But he goes, take it off.
You can hear the audio.
He goes, take it off.
And he takes his watch off pretty quickly, gives it to him, and he gets in his car and they speed away.
And I was like, this wasn't cruising to the neighborhood seeing a guy unloading his car.
They saw him at the grocery store, clocked it, and went on.
joe rogan
Yeah, we're following people.
andrew santino
We're following that guy home.
That's what I always say.
joe rogan
If he gets caught, he'll be out of jail.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
No cash bail.
andrew santino
They're never going to catch him.
The car was stolen.
joe rogan
Even if he gets caught, it doesn't matter.
They let him out.
andrew santino
Yeah, it's crazy.
What is that about?
Dude.
joe rogan
Like, if I wanted to destroy society, that's how I would do it.
I'm not saying that that's why they do it, but if I wanted to destroy society, I would just say, listen, the way to combat all this inequality in the world is whenever someone gets arrested, you just let them go.
andrew santino
Just let them go.
joe rogan
Because otherwise you're racist.
Like, oh, okay.
Just let them go.
Let violent criminals back on the streets.
No, like none of these people ever have any solution for how to make the places where these people grow up less violent.
Zero.
Zero discussion about it.
No talk about it.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
They just think that there's systemic racism.
And so that's why people get arrested.
jamie vernon
Like, okay.
andrew santino
Instead of trying to fix it.
joe rogan
And then the way people can gaslight other people's behavior in order to find some sort of a way of not giving the people on the other side a win.
One of the craziest conversations I saw people have online in one of those cable talk shows was they were having a conversation about why this guy would shoot Charlie Kirk.
And the angle they were taking was that he was in a relationship, a loving, amazing relationship with another man who was a trans woman.
andrew santino
Charlie Kirk was?
jamie vernon
No, no, no.
joe rogan
The guy was a shooter.
andrew santino
Oh, I was like, what the fuck?
joe rogan
The guy was a shooter.
andrew santino
Oh, right.
Is that true?
joe rogan
That's why.
Yeah.
Allegedly.
And that's why when Charlie Kirk's words hurt so much that he had to take action.
Like gaslighting and justifying an assassination.
Because this guy was saying mean things about trans people.
Like, don't listen.
Yeah.
Don't listen.
andrew santino
Did he say mean things about trans people, by the way?
That's the other thing.
joe rogan
Well, he definitely said that they were not really women.
unidentified
Yeah.
Right?
joe rogan
Which I don't think is mean because it's biologically accurate.
It's just insensitive to people who want you to go along with it.
andrew santino
Right.
joe rogan
That's what it is.
andrew santino
I just don't follow the man enough.
I don't know anything about.
I saw clips.
So that's all I kind of.
That was my.
My perspective was watching him do trolley clips online.
I mean, the guy trolled a lot online.
joe rogan
Yeah, well, he did a lot to get people riled up.
andrew santino
Big time.
joe rogan
Big time.
A lot about DEI.
That's one of the reasons why people think he's very, you know, very problematic.
He was against.
He's also said the civil rights bill.
But he had a really good point.
He said it should be just a one page thing.
Instead of that, it should be a one page thing that says it is illegal to discriminate on the basis of race, color, ethnicity.
Simple.
andrew santino
Right.
joe rogan
Which makes sense.
Like it should be illegal to do that.
andrew santino
It is.
Correct.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah.
andrew santino
I mean.
joe rogan
But it's like, you know, you have all these conversations and some of them, you know, some of them look not so good out of context.
And that's easy to do when a guy's 31 years old.
If I had a podcast when I was 31, you think people hate me now.
unidentified
Would have been way worse.
joe rogan
It would have been way worse.
jamie vernon
Way worse.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
I would have said a lot of stupid shit.
andrew santino
Oh, dude.
I say dumb shit on our show every week.
joe rogan
Well, that's the problem with having a comedy show.
It's like a comedy show, too, though.
It's like a comedy show.
Like, especially when you're talking to comedians, we're so used to talking normal to each other.
Just saying what's on our mind and saying things that we heard rather than worrying about how other people are going to feel.
And when you do that publicly, people are like, you get to talk like that?
This is crazy.
unidentified
You guys just said you'd suck each other's dicks for a few dollars.
joe rogan
This is crazy.
andrew santino
Yeah.
joe rogan
But it's you're not allowed to do that in most jobs.
Right.
And this, I think, is the origin of all this FCC stuff.
I think they wanted to keep it that way.
I think they wanted to keep people kind of muted.
No swearing.
This is what father knows best.
Tonight at 8 p.m.
Leave it to Beaver.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
There was all these stupid fucking shows that were like social programming.
And they were designed to keep people calm and complacent because we had dealt with 5,000 years of people being murderous barbarians.
And so once they got the chance to broadcast things on TV, they just broadcast this bullshit version of a human being.
And we all just accepted that that's how people were.
And the only way they could do that is to...
limit what you're allowed to talk about, limit the language you're allowed to use, and have a bunch of stupid commercials jammed in there every 15 minutes or whatever it is to make you feel stupid.
And just keep shoving that down your throat until you die.
andrew santino
Drink your fucking Ovalteen.
unidentified
Yeah, and stay away from saturated fat.
joe rogan
And that's what they did forever.
And now people are kind of waking up that that's dumb.
And I think that's part of this Jimmy Kimmel thing is like, why it would outrage, one of the things that outrages young people in particular, and also comics, but is that we live in a time where you can have a show like this, right?
Where there's no one has talked to us before we did this.
No one's going to talk to us after.
If they do, I don't listen.
We just say what we think and you put it out there.
Imagine if the government had to get involved, you know, and Drew Santino and Joe Rogan's vile comments.
We're going to remove them from the internet.
According to who?
So the young people go, who the fuck is that guy?
It's like Conor McGregor and Jeremy Stevens.
andrew santino
Who the fuck is that guy?
joe rogan
Who the fuck is that guy?
Because that's what it's like.
It's like, who are you?
And people are just waking up.
unidentified
What?
joe rogan
That's an organization that can tell you what you can say on TV while you have YouTube?
While you have X, while you have fucking literal Nazis who are posting videos every day, and that's okay, and that can have 24 million views.
But this talk show that has like, what was the 18 to 34 of the Jimmy Kimmel show?
That was what was also crazy.
andrew santino
Yeah.
joe rogan
Not good.
andrew santino
No, the numbers were pretty low.
joe rogan
Pretty low.
andrew santino
But all late night and TV is low.
joe rogan
All late night is low.
Because it's a limited format.
He would be way better off if he had an internet show.
andrew santino
100%.
joe rogan
100%.
Just him, do whatever the fuck he wants.
He'd probably make more money, especially now, which is probably one of the reasons why they wanted to bring him back.
They're probably like, oh, it's like, right now is a good time to keep this guy on our side.
andrew santino
100%.
Yeah, because he flies first.
joe rogan
If they fired him and then he got paid out, or if his lawyers made a deal, like, look, buy him out.
We're done.
Because I think he only had till the end of the year before they were going to renegotiate a contract anyway.
andrew santino
Oh, I didn't know that.
joe rogan
I think so.
That's what I read today.
But there's so much misinformation.
andrew santino
Yeah, who knows what it is.
unidentified
But I'm going to need to see some emails.
joe rogan
I'm going to need to see some text messages.
I want to know what the fuck would happen behind the scenes.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Or not.
Or we put him back on the air and you got to shut the fuck up, which seems to be like what's going to be happening.
But anybody that's in support of it, it's like, understand where that goes.
Even if he's incorrect.
If he's incorrect, people should vote with their viewership.
Okay.
If you're upset at him that he got that incorrect or that he's politically biased, don't watch anymore.
And plenty of people will watch.
And let the market decide.
Don't let the government step in.
unidentified
No.
joe rogan
And the government and people in the government call you talentless and vile and all these different things.
Like, settle down.
andrew santino
It is so funny how he's like, he has no talent.
unidentified
You're like, well, I mean, yeah, he's been on TV for years.
andrew santino
Objective years.
Objectively, he's talented.
That's not even as enough.
joe rogan
What does that mean?
He's been on the radio and he's been on TV for like 100 years.
What are you talking about?
andrew santino
He's quite talented.
joe rogan
He's my age.
He's a dinosaur.
He's been on TV forever.
Like, this is crazy.
andrew santino
Yeah.
joe rogan
And he's not Hitler, you know, and neither was Charlie Kirk, you know?
And this is where we're lost.
Like, there's real monsters in the world.
I watched a video today that I shouldn't have watched.
And it was a video from Gaza where they found these three men that they suspected of doing something or sharing information with Israel.
And they gunned him down on the street, colluding with Israel in some way.
And the video was horrific.
They have these guys blindfolded.
They kicked him in the back face down and just gunned them down in front of everybody.
There's a large crowd of people watching and they're all filming.
andrew santino
Gross.
joe rogan
And it's fucking horrific, man.
It's horrific.
It's so rough to watch.
Like, that's going on right now at the same time as this stupid fucking argument.
You know, there's so many things we should be paying attention to.
There's so many things that are just absolutely insane in the world right now.
And we're focused on this one thing as if this is the end of the world.
There's a giant something headed our way that many of these wacko conspiracy theorists that I follow think is a UFO.
There's that one that some people think it's a comet and that Avi Loeb guy from Harvard, he doesn't think it's a comet.
andrew santino
I think it's a UFO.
joe rogan
And he thinks it's some sort of an intergalactic spaceship that's traveling from somewhere else.
andrew santino
Come on, he's going to come near us.
joe rogan
And then there's a bigger one behind it.
There's a new one that they just discovered very recently.
andrew santino
That's the other yacht.
That's the other space yacht.
Just a couple of fucking spaceships.
joe rogan
They got expelled from space russia.
Have to run.
They're trying to take away spaceships.
andrew santino
We will shoot your yacht into space.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Did you see that orb?
I sent it to Jamie.
So there's this orb that they apparently have carbon dated.
And this orb that has all these weird writings on it.
It's very strange looking.
It's made out of some alloy of aluminum that's three times stronger than military grade aluminum.
And it got labeled or it got dated to 12,560 years old.
andrew santino
Holy shit.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
So it's straight from a radiocarbon lab report dated September 19, 2025.
So look at that thing.
Look at the drawings on it.
Like if this thing's actually 12,000 plus years old and has these inscriptions on it, it looks like this very strange language.
Yeah, and the center of it looks exactly like a microchip.
And that this is made out of some sort of an aluminum alloy that's three times stronger than military-grade aluminum.
andrew santino
You know what those look like coming out of that microchip, that picture.
There's little mushrooms.
joe rogan
So let's go back, go up a little, Jamie, right here.
The sample was treated with HCI, cleaned and burned at 900 degrees centigrade or Celsius.
Graphite conversion measured by accelerator mass spectrometer compared against official oxalic acid standards, plus or minus 30 years uncertainty.
So I sent this to my friend Jesse Michaels, who's got an awesome YouTube channel.
You should check it out.
It's called American Alchemy.
And he is my go-to expert when anything is really fucking screwy online.
Like, is this real?
I'll send him stuff like that.
So what he was telling me, though, that there is an issue with the actual dating of it.
Okay, so the carbon dating is real.
And this is from Jesse.
And we assume that we have an aluminum spear three times the hardness of modern aerospace aluminum, which was created 12,600 years ago at the start of the Younger Dryas.
It's a full paradigm shift.
On another new, oh, there's so this is what he was saying, though, that there was an issue with the way they analyzed it.
I can't find it.
But what he's saying is that the stuff that's on the outside, like the resin, which is what they're examining.
So the resin that they're examining, there's an issue.
Oh, here it is.
Apparently, when you carbon date the petrochemical resin, you might get an artificially old date.
Okay, so they're trying to figure this out.
When the Georgia team tested it, it seemed legit.
But there is an issue with modern petrochemical resin.
Here, I'll send this to Jamie.
It's complicated because the problem with something like that is I want to believe in it so bad.
Like, please, space people, come and fix us.
unidentified
Space people.
joe rogan
Please, we're so retarded.
Come get us.
andrew santino
Come get us.
joe rogan
Come get us before we elect Chelsea Handler for president.
Come get us.
Look at this.
So this is what.
jamie vernon
I just saw, I was reading a Reddit comment about it.
This is the report.
It says analysis for the four amino fer samples.
For minifers, this, a single-celled organism.
unidentified
What?
jamie vernon
Not, yeah.
joe rogan
What does that mean?
jamie vernon
That they tested something different than what they're saying they tested, I think.
That's what the comments are.
joe rogan
I thought they were saying the resin.
The resin is treated in an ultrasound bath for 30 minutes at room temperature.
The sample is dried out and treated with 1NHCI to remove possible carbonates.
After that, the sample was rinsed in ultra-pure water and dried at 105 degrees Celsius for accelerator mass spectrometry spectrometry.
And now say that five times.
Analysis.
The clean samples were combusted at 900 degrees Celsius, evacuated, sealed, ampules, the presence of CUO.
The resulting carbon dioxide is cryogenically purified from the other reaction product.
Jesus Christ.
Reaction products and catalytically converted to graphite using a method of da-da-da-da-da.
Get to the point.
Sample ratios were compared to the ratio measured from the oxalic acid one.
The sample tested ratios were measured separately.
The quoted uncalibrated dates have been given in radiocarbon years before 1,950 years BP.
What is BP?
Before present?
And using the half-life of 5,568 years.
I don't know what they just said.
Do you?
andrew santino
I don't have a fucking clue.
joe rogan
So it's a few thousand years old.
So it says age years before present, 12,560.
If that's BP, if that's what they're saying by BP, that's 12,000 BC, not the Younger Dryas.
That's quite a bit before that.
It's like 2,000, because the Younger Dryas is somewhere around 12,000 years ago.
So that's 2,000 years before that.
Either way, if that fucking thing really is 12,000 years old, what is that?
unidentified
What is that?
joe rogan
And who's making something that's a beautiful sphere like that that's three times harder than modern aluminum?
andrew santino
And 12,000 years ago with no tools, no nothing.
unidentified
Just I don't like it.
andrew santino
I don't like that shit.
unidentified
I like it a lot.
andrew santino
Yeah, I know.
It screams me the fuck out.
What's this coming?
I'm telling you.
joe rogan
Well, that's the thing.
I think we erroneously assume that what we have is stable.
andrew santino
Oh, no, yeah, this is gone.
joe rogan
I think they thought it was stable back then, too, when they were building the pyramids.
Like, listen, we're always going to know who built these.
unidentified
Real simple.
joe rogan
Everyone's going to know.
You can do it with your mind.
Everyone's going to know how to move the blocks.
It's simple.
We don't even have to write it down.
andrew santino
Show them, Mike.
Do the thing.
Very good.
Very nice.
joe rogan
They had some sort of sound machine that was rising.
andrew santino
Yeah.
joe rogan
Like raising these enormous stone blocks.
andrew santino
Spinning it.
He's like, stop shooting.
joe rogan
Showing it down the mountain.
Vibrating while it's moving in the air.
Who knows what they did?
But whatever they did, they get hit by a big rock from space.
unidentified
Shh.
joe rogan
And there was a few savages left, and it took them about 5,000 years before they reinvented civilization.
laughing And that could happen to us, bro.
andrew santino
It's kind of.
joe rogan
And that might be the one thing that makes us want to get the AI rolling.
That's the sphere.
How cool is that?
andrew santino
It's pretty cool.
It looks like a helmet almost.
jamie vernon
They're saying that these dots are the resin, I suppose, right?
joe rogan
Oh, okay.
jamie vernon
And I guess I'm asking in my head, like, why would we assume that that's going to be carbon material if it's, you know, if the whole thing is a metal sphere, why would we need organic material in it?
joe rogan
Well, it's the only thing that they could test.
But the problem is if you take that thing and someone made it 100 years ago and you stick it in old dirt and then you test that 12,000 year old dirt, you're like, Eureka, this ball is 12,000 years old.
unidentified
Step right up and pay to see it.
andrew santino
Just old dirt.
joe rogan
Also, here's the thing.
If you can make something that's three times the hardness of modern aircraft aluminum, couldn't you draw better half moons?
andrew santino
Yeah, I should be able to.
joe rogan
Why does that look so shitty?
andrew santino
It's like a bad tattoo.
joe rogan
Yeah, it looks like, yeah, like someone did it on the boardwalk in Atlantic City.
You got to tell when you were drunk.
andrew santino
Side of Borgata.
joe rogan
You got some Chinese letters and they bleed out.
andrew santino
It's just peace and hope.
joe rogan
And it's bleeding out, right?
Like, that looks shitty.
That doesn't look good.
Like, if you saw something that was made today, like, even the stuff that they made in Egypt, it was like way better.
jamie vernon
I also feel like I've only seen this angle of this thing.
andrew santino
Yeah, they're not sure.
jamie vernon
I've never seen like the other side of it.
joe rogan
That's true.
Like, look at that thing in the left, the upper left, that little half moon, the tip of the half moon on the top one.
Yeah.
Look how shitty that one is.
andrew santino
Yeah, bad job.
joe rogan
They did a bad job.
It's like when you're a kid and you get a coloring book and you go outside the line.
You got a fucking loser.
andrew santino
You fucked up.
You fucked up.
It's not usable.
joe rogan
Yeah, that's weird, dude.
jamie vernon
Weird.
unidentified
Weird.
joe rogan
And look at the image, the close-up of the circuit board.
unidentified
Yeah, it's a true microphone chip circuit board.
joe rogan
But that also makes me think, like, now go fuck yourself because now you're playing with me.
andrew santino
Yeah, they're just fucking with us.
joe rogan
Why are you making like a modern version of it?
Why does it have that fake Mona Lisa in that thread?
jamie vernon
I'm just looking at the comments.
People are talking all sorts of shit.
That's that fake Mona Lisa.
unidentified
Yeah.
andrew santino
Talking all sorts of shit.
joe rogan
Do you know that one?
andrew santino
Yeah, that's the phony Mona.
joe rogan
You got a P. Do you got a P right now?
andrew santino
I got a piss like a racing.
joe rogan
I could tell.
andrew santino
You can see it in my eyes.
joe rogan
I can tell when a man starts wiggling in his chair.
andrew santino
Oh, my God, he's got a piss.
joe rogan
I can tell that feeling.
andrew santino
I drank three fucking cups of coffee and then missed like an idiot.
joe rogan
Oh, that's not good.
Should we wrap it up?
andrew santino
Let's do it.
joe rogan
Let's do it.
My man, your special.
White noise.
Well, now, white noise on Hulu.
I heard it's hilarious.
andrew santino
No, fuck you.
joe rogan
It says it.
It says it, dude.
I'm just trying to help you.
andrew santino
When we went to New York and Burr was like, did you see this fucking shit?
And I looked up and I was like, what is hilarious?
He's like, this is the name they're doing for us.
I was like, oh, well, whatever.
Special's good.
Go watch it.
joe rogan
What's good that they're doing it, though?
Hulu's put out a lot of specials.
They put out Burr's special, your special.
Did they do one with Gaffigan as well?
andrew santino
Gaffigan.
Sebastian's coming.
joe rogan
Sebastian.
Nice.
andrew santino
Yeah, they got some really good ones.
joe rogan
Listen, the more the better.
andrew santino
Yeah, man.
joe rogan
Yeah.
The more streaming specials, the more competition there is for, you know.
andrew santino
It's better for all of us.
joe rogan
Better for comics.
andrew santino
Yeah.
joe rogan
For sure.
And then maybe he's coming soon, the Jimmy Kimmel show to Hulu.
It'll be hilarious.
unidentified
It'll be hilarious.
joe rogan
All right, my brother.
I love you to death.
unidentified
Love you, man.
joe rogan
How long are you staying in town?
andrew santino
I'm going to Kill Tony tonight.
joe rogan
Are you here tomorrow?
andrew santino
I got to leave tomorrow.
joe rogan
Shut the fuck up.
unidentified
I got to go.
joe rogan
I got a show tomorrow.
unidentified
Come on.
andrew santino
I know I got to go.
joe rogan
Do you have to?
unidentified
I do.
All right.
Next time.
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